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Tuesday, November 25th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro__:

But lord knows I'm a sucker for a joke at clever's expense.

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Solaris444:

hi all

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Solaris444:

i have an intermittant problem

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Solaris444:

from time to time, the system seems to stop working

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Solaris444:

as in you can't watch tv.

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Solaris444:

you can't rip dvds (it fails either at the start or mid rip with no explanation)

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Solaris444:

after a reboot, the system works again for a while

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Solaris444:

thing is, it has 2GB of RAM and is a quad core cpu.

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Solaris444:

so i'm not running low on resources

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Solaris444:

does anyone know why this could occur?

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jhulst:

Solaris444: What does the myth logs show?

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Solaris444:

where should i find the myth log?

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jhulst:

Solaris444: How did you install mythtv? Most likely in /var/log/mythtv/

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Solaris444:

i installed from a package repository for my distro.

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Solaris444:

ah yes, in that location

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Solaris444:

readng now.

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Solaris444:

i see, warning audio sample rate 32000Hz not supported by ivtv driver, change to 48000Hz

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Solaris444:

surely that wouldn't cause my issue?

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jhulst:

Solaris444: Probably not, what distro are you using? Can you ssh into the box when it's frozen?

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Solaris444:

suse 11.0

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Solaris444:

the box doesn't freeze.

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Solaris444:

that's the thing.

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Solaris444:

it just starts failing at tasks.

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Solaris444:

the UI is perfectly responsive.

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Solaris444:

hmmm...

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Solaris444:

this is interesting...

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Solaris444:

i have 1 "mythbackend exiting"

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Solaris444:

mutex destroy failure

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Solaris444:

device or resource busy

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jhulst:

Solaris444: Can you paste both the frontend and backend logs, maybe you'll have to turn up the verbosity as well

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jhulst:

Solaris444: Paste using pastebin

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Solaris444:

i only have a backend log.

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jhulst:

Solaris444: okay, that may be part of the problem, you should start the frontend with logging enabled and look through that

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Solaris444:

alright. how do i do that? is it a command line switch?

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jhulst:

Solaris444: Yes, "-v help"

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Solaris444:

ok sure thing

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Solaris444:

I'll pastebin some of the backend log first

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Solaris444:

http://pastebin.com/m6ae4b1b0

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Solaris444:

It's long, but i wanted to be sure there was some useful info there.

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jhulst:

Solaris444: It looks like there are some db issues, is /var/ on a seperate partition? Is it full?

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Solaris444:

the /var directory is on /dev/md1

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Solaris444:

the storage location for media is /dev/md2

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Solaris444:

mounted at /storage

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jhulst:

Is there space on /dev/md1?

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Solaris444:

checking

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Solaris444:

yes

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** iamlindoro__ wonders how long a "df -h" takes **

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Solaris444:

BUT

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kormoc:

it's only 12 bytes?

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Solaris444:

that partition is also used for temp storage.

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Solaris444:

iamlindoro__ it takes a while when your keyboard decides to run out of batteries. there's no need to be snide.

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Solaris444:

it's a 20GB partition.

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jhulst:

Solaris444: That sounds like a good place to start

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Solaris444:

with 5 or so being used by the OS.

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Solaris444:

so you think this could be an IO problem?

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kormoc:

failure to create temp tables could indicate a permission problem

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jhulst:

It's a good first start

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kormoc:

does the mysql user have rights on /var/lib/mysql or just on the files inside the directory?

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Solaris444:

I'll check

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Solaris444:

yes it does. on the dir and the files.

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Solaris444:

all files under and including that dir are mysql:mysql and have rw access for the owner.

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Solaris444:

so not a permissions isse.

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kormoc:

well, did you check on /var/lib/mysql/.tmp?

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Solaris444:

yes

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Solaris444:

correct permission.

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Solaris444:

however, on a side note, mythbackend usually fails to start on reboot.

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Solaris444:

I have to start it manually.

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Solaris444:

i think it is because it is trying to start before mysql at runlevel3

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kormoc:

Welp, there's no reason those temp tables should fail then.

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kormoc:

That's a distro issue and likely should be taken to #distro if that's the case

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Solaris444:

yes i agree.

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Solaris444:

but that is only a minor issue.

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Solaris444:

but i was just pointing out it could be the reason for the temp tables issue.

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kormoc:

not really

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kormoc:

if mysqld isn't running, it can't connect to the server to even attempt to create temp tables

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Solaris444:

ok.

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Solaris444:

so if permissions are set then it's an IO issue?

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: any update on the i Technology ;-)

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, the first commit was in last night :)

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SlicerDicer:

nice

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kormoc:

Solaris444, failure to create temp tables are unlikely to be a io issue

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: does it offer playback features?

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kormoc:

Solaris444, you should talk to the mysql folks about that one, as it's not a myth issue

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, aye, if in the same storage group there's a chanid_starttime.mp4 file

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SlicerDicer:

is that the same as what the umm

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SlicerDicer:

mythiphone thingy is?

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SlicerDicer:

that I linked you?

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kormoc:

nope

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Solaris444:

SlicerDicer: is that something to do with using the iphone as a remote for mythtv?

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SlicerDicer:

no

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: I am just trying to remember format

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SlicerDicer:

5490_20070818200300.mpg.mp4

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SlicerDicer:

thats labeling of what mine are

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kormoc:

SlicerDicer, just .mp4 rather then .mpg.mp4 and it should stream

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SlicerDicer:

ok

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kormoc:

I'm using https://www.kormoc.com/trac/browser/Scripts/b . . . uchExport.pl

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kormoc:

and that'll be updated soonish to support real args and cutlists soon

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SlicerDicer:

how is the quality when watched on a TV?

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SlicerDicer:

through the ipod

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kormoc:

No idea

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SlicerDicer:

heh

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kormoc:

but should be fairly close to the max the ipod can play back

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kormoc:

although, I'm sure some tweaking can be done

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: I use mine for playing back on tvs not having a frontend :)

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kormoc:

if you know of better encoding options/faster options, let me know and I'll update the export script

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: I will play with it

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SlicerDicer:

I havent quite got it perfected yet

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kormoc:

but yeah, stream.pl works nicely with the ipod so it supports 206 – partial content correctly as well as 304 not modified

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SlicerDicer:

cool kormoc

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: does the ipod touch have vpn capability?

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SlicerDicer:

like the iPhone?

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kormoc:

It does

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SlicerDicer:

do you know of any VPN shit I can use with it?

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SlicerDicer:

cause I bashed my head into a wall trying to figure it out :/

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kormoc:

not offhand

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kormoc:

I know openvpn won't work

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SlicerDicer:

yeah

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Solaris444:

incidentally, anyone know why the config.xml file would be empty in my /home/mythtv/.mythtv directory?

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Gumby:

I am in need to setup mythtv for debugging as it segfaults (I think during recordings). Do I just add --compile-type=debug to my ./configure as well as any other config opts I normally compile with?

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iamlindoro__:

yes

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: thanks

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Solaris444:

iamlindoro__: i read somewhere that the config.xml file for mythtv was deprecated. is that true?

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iamlindoro__:

no

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iamlindoro__:

mysql.txt is deprecated. config.xml is the correct file.

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Solaris444:

ok. why is mine empty? shouldn't it be automatically generated?

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iamlindoro__:

Yes. It should. As to why yours is empty, I have no idea.

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Solaris444:

hmm, so how should i generate it?

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Solaris444:

run the mythtv setup program?

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iamlindoro__:

no.

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Solaris444:

ok. is there a command to generate the file?

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Anduin:

Solaris444: mythfrontend -p

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Solaris444:

ok I'll try that.

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Solaris444:

erk

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Solaris444:

segfault

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Solaris444:

never did that before.

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Gumby:

-p auto-segfault

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Gumby:

hehe

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Gumby:

its a feature!

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Solaris444:

loL

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Solaris444:

looks like whoever packaged this set it to only use mysql.txt

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Solaris444:

instead of config.xml

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Solaris444:

oh well.

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android60:

what are the best mythtv based distros?

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high-rez:

that's a loaded question. but what the heck? knoppmythbuntu

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iamlindoro__:

No no, I far prefer Knoppmythbuntdora

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android60:

which ones keep up to date?

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iamlindoro__:

Anyway, use whichever you feel most comfortable with, there's no "best." Mythbuntu, Mythdora, Knoppmyth, etc.

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high-rez:

Knoppmythdora has the VDPAU support right? :)

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iamlindoro__:

Knoppmythbuntdora supports VDPAU2

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high-rez:

Fantastic. I'll thank chutt for that.

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iamlindoro__:

haha

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iamlindoro__:

Of course it only works on geforce 10,000 series cards

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jpabq:

deepdiscount's shipping is SLOW. Finally got my first blu-ray. Now to play with the doom9 stuff.

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iamlindoro__:

jpabq, which?

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jpabq:

Die Hard 1–4

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iamlindoro__:

(and I needn't mention you have to trade something for those deep discounts)

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iamlindoro__:

I believe 4 at least works w/ the OSS ripper

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jpabq:

yeah, yeah, yeah.....

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iamlindoro__:

dunno about 1–3

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jpabq:

I popped 3 in. It actually has bd+

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iamlindoro__:

I pretty much intend to stick with the paid route until such time as the OSS way is as easy or easier

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jpabq:

Getting the aacs to build is proving to be "fun".

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iamlindoro__:

which, dumphd?

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** iamlindoro__ is confused **

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iamlindoro__:

Not sure what you mean by "aacs to build"

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jpabq:

dumphd needs libaacskeys.so, which needs openssl. The openssl that fedora provides is missing the crypto (ecdsa, I think), that libaacs needs. So, I am having to build openssl myself...

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iamlindoro__:

ahhh, I gotcha

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iamlindoro__:

I wish Slysoft would get Firefly broken, I want those in Mythvideo

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iamlindoro__:

jpabq, You have movies with DTS tracks, right?

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iamlindoro__:

AFAICT since the ffmpeg sync rendering DCA -> analog out is broken

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jpabq:

The Die Hard's actually have DTS MA. I can't use that, right?

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iamlindoro__:

It has a DTS core, you should be fine

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jpabq:

Ha!

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jpabq:

Well, I got the doom9 stuff running. Now I get to see if it works.

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iamlindoro__:

Just tested-- passthrough is working fine, but rendering is not

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iamlindoro__:

which is a bad thing because upstairs I have no digital outs

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jpabq:

I will probably pick up the National Treasure movies. They are PCM 5.1 only, I think.

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iamlindoro__:

You needn't worry about the audio formats with trunk, aside from it usually selecting the wrong track

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iamlindoro__:

MLP/TrueHD/E-AC3 all work

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jpabq:

To get PCM 5.1, though, I would need to use analog connections, right? Unless that gets encoded *by myth* into DTS or something.

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iamlindoro__:

right, you would need analog outs for 5.1 PCM

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jpabq:

Pretty sure my Mom/Sister are going to buy me a stand-alone blu-ray player for my birthday, so it is not critical to get this working in Myth. Just cool.

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iamlindoro__:

A Bluray player with 7.1 analog outs is a nice thing if you have a choice

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iamlindoro__:

allows you to use a $200 amp versus an $800 one for 7.1

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iamlindoro__:

and HDMI 1.3 or greater compliant

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jpabq:

Yeah. Probably getting the Panisonic 55. My current pre-amp does not have HDMI....

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jpabq:

Hmmm, why is mythbackend consuming a core?

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iamlindoro__:

Yeah, and the HDMI 1.3 gets you BTB and WTW and PCM 7.1 once you buy coresponding equipment

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jpabq:

I would like to get a B&K ref 70, once they get all the bugs worked out of it. Expensive though. Marantz seems to have some affordable "good" equipment these days.

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iamlindoro__:

I looked at stuff that accepts 7.1 via HDMI and about choked. Analog is fine for me (and even that isn't rigged up right now, I'd need to hang two more speakers from the ceiling.)

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jpabq:

I actually spent quite a bit of time this weekend researching HT receivers. It seems Marantz sr6003 is one of the best ~$1000 receivers you can buy right now. I have never owned any Marantz equipment in the past.

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iamlindoro__:

I have a Sony, it does the job for me-- I like 5.1 but I'm far more wowed by visual capabilities than audio ones

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jpabq:

I have a 7 speaker setup now. My speakers are fine. Actually my preamp is fine — it just lacks the hdmi.

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Lexridge:

jpabq: just curious, besides the audio, can you really tell a huge diff between component and hdmi as far as video quality?

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jpabq:

huge? No.

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iamlindoro__:

The visible difference is negligible (and I am certain you could fool most people who thought they knew better)

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iamlindoro__:

It's visible when you have an extra re-encode with something like the HD-PVR, but comparing straight outputs from the cable box, most perceived differences are imagined.

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Lexridge:

I would think it would be negligible, but since I have no HDMI equipment I've never been able to compare.

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jpabq:

HDMI is typically a little bit sharper. But the improvement is not worth spending a lot of money on.

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jpabq:

Main reason I want HDMI is for the 8 channels of audio.

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Lexridge:

right

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iamlindoro__:

and even those are doable pretty much just as well via analog

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Lexridge:

I've been told that blue-ray audio is uncompressed. What format is it considered?

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iamlindoro__:

some is, but not all or most by any stretch. It's PCM.

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Lexridge:

oh, okay

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Lexridge:

at 24 bits I would assume

[03:45:16]

jpabq:

Often, yes.

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iamlindoro__:

Sometimes 24, sometimes less

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Lexridge:

and dolby digital 5.1 is what 18–20 bit?

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jpabq:

At the rate it is going, it is going to take it 30–40 minutes to rip Die Hard 3.

[03:45:52]

jpabq:

Dolby Digital is 16bit.

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Lexridge:

oh, so it must be DTS that is 18 or 20 bit then?

[03:46:27]

iamlindoro__:

DD and DTS are both 18 bit.

[03:46:36]

iamlindoro__:

but both can do 24 bit

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jpabq:

I have never seen DD that high.

[03:47:01]

iamlindoro__:

they're capable of 24, just never used.

[03:47:43]

Lexridge:

Most older DD/DTS A/V receivers probably cannot deal with anything greated than 18 bit then?

[03:47:47]

iamlindoro__:

DTS-HD is being used a lot in Blu-ray, even though it's not the best of the HD options at all, but Sony and Disney seem to have thrown their weight behind it

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jpabq:

Every disney blu-ray I have seen has been PCM 5.1. Like the National Treasure movies. Maybe their animations are different.

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jpabq:

The Die Hard blu-ray's have DTS-HD MA, which is as good as it gets!

[03:49:32]

jpabq:

That is not to say that the audio on the older Die Hard movies is that great. But, they put it on the disk in a loss-less format, which is good.

[03:50:08]

iamlindoro__:

Right, it's in theory a bit-for-bit copy of the studio master

[03:50:13]

Lexridge:

I'm way behind the times as far as anything better than 5.1, and probably will be until I replace my JVC DD/DTS receiver

[03:50:38]

jpabq:

You have a JVC product that actually works? Wow!

[03:51:25]

jpabq:

I am probably just unlucky, but every JVC product I have ever owned has failed on me. I won't buy them anymore.

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Lexridge:

It's been the best receiver I've ever owned. I have had sony, pioneer, technics. Plus the JVC had a now expired 3 year warranty. All the others died a month or two after warranty. :(

[03:52:18]

jpabq:

Good luck

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Lexridge:

It's seven years old now

[03:52:54]

Lexridge:

It's the first and only JVC product I have ever owned. I was like you....not a fan.

[03:53:13]

Lexridge:

until now that is

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jpabq:

Hey, they must work well for some people or they would not be in business anymore.

[03:54:23]

Lexridge:

True. My cousin had one, and talked it up so hard I thought I would try one. I got a fairly high end model. Been a satisfied customer, but I was able to get a great deal on it.

[03:55:12]

Lexridge:

Plus, at the time, all my equipment was either component or SVHS. It supported both with 6 i/os

[03:55:18]

jpabq:

Hmmmm. I am running low on disk space.

[03:55:58]

iamlindoro__:

Not me ;)

[03:56:02]

jpabq:

I remember I used to have 3 SVHS decks. Back before I discovered DVRs. Good times.

[03:56:06]

Lexridge:

I have downsized comsiderably since then however ;) Dumbed the VCR, dumbed the laser disc player....etc. Now, one DVD and sat rx.

[03:56:25]

Lexridge:

and mythtv of course

[03:57:34]

Lexridge:

Unforch, I had many many hours dumping all my S-VHS tapes and LaserDiscs to my computer. I literally threw out five 50 gallon garbage bags of S-VHS tapes!

[03:58:33]

Lexridge:

I guess that is 250 gallons of S-VHS lol holy crap!!!

[04:00:51]

jpabq:

Multiple .m2ts files. I am guessing one is the movie and the reset are special features?

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Lexridge:

jpabq: do blue-ray discs still use the 2GB per (.vob) rule?

[04:02:21]

iamlindoro__:

jpabq, yes

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iamlindoro__:

Lexridge, no

[04:02:38]

jpabq:

Lexridge, nope. A single file is 38GB

[04:02:40]

iamlindoro__:

jpabq, Largest is the feature

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Lexridge:

great!

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iamlindoro__:

HD-DVD breaks them up at the layer marker, usually 7–11 GB, but the files can be cat'ed together

[04:03:25]

iamlindoro__:

usually called PEVOB_1 and PEVOB_2 or FEATURE_1 and FEATURE_2

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Lexridge:

interesting

[04:04:38]

Lexridge:

perhaps a blue-ray is in my future. Do I want a computer drive, or a stand-alone?

[04:04:50]

iamlindoro__:

I don't know, which do you want?

[04:05:11]

iamlindoro__:

If you don't intend to even try to use them with your computer, get a standalone. IF you do, the opposite.

[04:05:22]

jpabq:

Lexridge, problem with computer drive, is not linux software than understand the menus and such.

[04:05:33]

jpabq:

I must be tired.

[04:05:42]

Lexridge:

besides the obvious ability to write with a pc drive, what would be other advantages/disadvantages?

[04:05:57]

Lexridge:

oh, so mplayer or VLC do not yet work with blu-ray?

[04:05:59]

jpabq:

problem with computer drives, is the lack of linux software that understands the menus and such.

[04:06:13]

jpabq:

You can play the raw movie....

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iamlindoro__:

neither mplayer nor VLC will play bluray menus.

[04:06:23]

iamlindoro__:

They will very POORLY play the movie

[04:06:29]

iamlindoro__:

Myth is by far the best player for the movies

[04:06:36]

iamlindoro__:

by a long ass shot

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, will myth let you choose the audio track?

[04:06:46]

iamlindoro__:

but I'm only speaking of trunk, not of .21

[04:06:48]

Lexridge:

Don't really care about menus. I always delete them anyway.

[04:06:58]

Lexridge:

so linux support is pretty limited. bummer

[04:07:06]

iamlindoro__:

jpabq, yes, and Myth is the best for precisely that reason-- no arcane command line specifying codecs, demuxes, and tracks.

[04:07:14]

jpabq:

45 minutes do rip.

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iamlindoro__:

just play, pull up the menu and change audio if necessary, done.

[04:07:25]

jpabq:

to rip

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Lexridge:

okay, with a stand-alone player, is my 7 y/o JVC gonna be able to decode the audio?

[04:08:20]

jpabq:

mythbackend is still consuming a core. When the current recording ends, I will have to attach to it and find out why.

[04:08:27]

iamlindoro__:

Lexridge, No. you'll need analog outs for the HD formats.

[04:08:48]

iamlindoro__:

If the disk has AC3, it'll do that, but very very few do now.

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jpabq:

Lexridge, does you JVC have 5.1 or 7.1 analog inputs? If so, that would be the way to go. You just need to get one of the better blu-ray players which will do the decoding for you.

[04:09:20]

Lexridge:

jpabq: it has 5.1 analog inputs.

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iamlindoro__:

jpabq, Keep in mind, btw, when you play a blu-ray disk, that Myth (and ffmpeg) identify E-AC3 as AC3 as they're both part of the ffac3 codec

[04:09:42]

jpabq:

Okay.

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iamlindoro__:

so when you swap to what Myth calls an AC3 track it's actually probably an E-AC3 one

[04:10:05]

iamlindoro__:

Easy way to tell is when the menu calls it a 5.1 channel and when you switch, the OSD suddenly calls it 2 channel

[04:10:13]

iamlindoro__:

that's E-AC3

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Lexridge:

I guess I need to read a bit before actually doing anything.

[04:12:09]

Lexridge:

which is fine, as I'm not in a huge rush. I'm still trying to get my 1010 card to decode a SDPIF signal from a second mythtv box. :(

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jpabq:

Lexridge, mine also has 5.1 analog. Therefore I am going to get http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- . . . amp;v=glance

[04:12:57]

Lexridge:

sweet, but still a bit pricey.

[04:13:26]

jpabq:

Yeah, but it will decode EVERY possible blu-ray audio format for you.

[04:13:26]

Lexridge:

especially since I would also have to replace my 1080i tv with a 1080p one ;)

[04:13:37]

jpabq:

Of course!

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iamlindoro__:

Oh douchebags

[04:16:27]

iamlindoro__:

Comcast made room for the 12 new HD channels we get tomorrow by moving Fox

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jpabq:

Terminator?

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iamlindoro__:

Yep

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iamlindoro__:

And all I get for this crap is channels like "Fox News HD"

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jpabq:

I am glad I can get the major channels via an antenna. Don't have that problem.

[04:18:30]

jpabq:

Well you need balanced news in HD right? Fox for the far right, and CNN for the far left.

[04:18:33]

Lexridge:

soon for me as well. However, ABC is the secondary for the NBC's HD channel :(

[04:18:52]

Lexridge:

that means ABC will never be HD :(

[04:19:02]

iamlindoro__:

jpabq, There are at least a few worth getting this time

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iamlindoro__:

Speed HD and a couple others

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Lexridge:

football in HD makes it all worth it for me....College Football that is. :)

[04:20:23]

Lexridge:

everything else is just.....well.....HD ;)

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jpabq:

I actually got hooked on NASCAR when I first got my HDTV, because it was the only thing in HD on Sunday afternoons (in the summer).

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Lexridge:

nascar looks good too, but the autism in me likes counting the blades of grass on the field. ;)

[04:21:48]

jpabq:

You must be a jamie mcmurry fan, then!

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Lexridge:

lol, yea

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Lexridge:

actually, I don't follow nascar. all my buds do, but I just cannot get into it...even went to a few races and that didn't even help

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jpabq:

I have never been to a race. I bet being there shortens you life though --- all the gas fumes!

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knight\zzz:

so is there some sort of free grabber i can use? my schedulesdirect trial is about to expire :/

[04:24:25]

Lexridge:

Naw, that's just govn't propaganda ;) Kinda like second hand smoke lol

[04:24:49]

Lexridge:

I used to love the smell of diesel fumes when I was a kid. lol

[04:24:50]

jpabq:

knight\zzz, what is wrong with schedulesdirect?

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GreyFoxx:

knig: Just pay the $20

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iamlindoro__:

This guy again

[04:25:16]

GreyFoxx:

It's like 0.05 a day :)

[04:25:19]

iamlindoro__:

was in here whining about it before the free trial

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Lexridge:

is schedules direct having issues?

[04:25:47]

iamlindoro__:

no

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Lexridge:

i've not noticed

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Lexridge:

ok

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Lexridge:

oh, missed the post....yea, just pay the $20. IT's a great deal!!!!

[04:26:53]

Lexridge:

...and much cheaper than TIVo

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jpabq:

It will be nice when schedulesdirect has control over the data themselves. I am hoping that they will be able to fill in some of the missing descriptions for shows on USA and SciFi.

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lwizardl:

Hi

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iamlindoro__:

fields for season + Ep would be enjoyed as well

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Lexridge:

wanna hear a shocker!!!! I work for a broadcasting company, and there is little thing called ASIP. It's basically the on-air tv guide embedded in our signal. We have to PAY $200 per month, per station for the data we GIVE them for free.....WTF?? That should be criminal!!!!

[04:29:06]

lwizardl:

anyone build a mythtv box using a server rack case?

[04:29:20]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: I have one in a server rack case.

[04:29:26]

whoever:

Does anyone know why when changing channles the channele that the card is currently tuned to will pause, redraw itself then change to the selectdd channel?

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Lexridge:

whoever: that is normal

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GreyFoxx:

LiveTV isn't actually live

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wagnerrp:

mythtv mandates a 2 second lag behind the actual broadcast

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, tuner cards require time to tune, digital tuners more so

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whoever:

Lexridge: that is? first time i hmve seem that, is there a reason why this happens ( for the current channle to redraw itself then change to the selected channel?

[04:31:09]

wagnerrp:

and there is some amount of hardware buffer involved as well

[04:31:22]

Lexridge:

see wagnerrp's post from above.

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, would you mind answering a few things about them (rack cases)

[04:31:49]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: If I can

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whoever:

can the lag be degressed ?

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wagnerrp:

all together, theres 4–5 seconds of pause when changing channels, and theres not much you can do about it

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GreyFoxx:

The channel change delay is system dependant

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whoever:

ok thanks

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GreyFoxx:

mine are 1 second on average

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: I have about 2.5 seconds on average

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GreyFoxx:

but my firewire STB is 2–3 because of the delay to change the channel on the STB

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whoever:

lwizardl: a rack case is the same as building on any other box

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wagnerrp:

my analog tuners are a bit over 2, the digital are just under 4

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: are you planning on mounting this case in a 19" rack?

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, ok the system I'm looking to put together using a server rack case.

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, small rack yes, not my 6ft rack

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: Be sure to spend the extra $30-$35 on the rack rails. Most cases do NOT come with them.

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whoever:

im using the along tuner on the 1600 and from "watch tv" 'till i get a statios is about 2 seconds to change channels about 5 seconds

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, yeah I read that online

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: But you will be glad you have them

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wagnerrp:

'watch tv' goes to the already tuned channel

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whoever:

correction the first number should be 20 not 2

[04:36:04]

wagnerrp:

oh... well 20s is a problem

[04:36:19]

lwizardl:

Lexridge, one of my questions is are their different types of server motherboards? like how desktop mobos come in ATX, Mini-ATX, etc

[04:36:33]

whoever:

wagnerrp: yes but when i cick whatch tv , the screen goes blank for abaut 0 seconds then i get the last tuned chanel

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whoever:

20 seconds &

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: right, and if you go with E-ATX, you must have a case at least 28" deep

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wagnerrp:

lwizardl: server boards are typically E-ATX

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whoever:

wagnerrp: what chan i do about the 20 seconds

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: If you go with E-ATX, here is a great case. I have three of them: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . ku=I202-1009

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, ok becuase all i know is that its a 4U case and looks similar to this http://images.tigerdirect.com/skuimages/large/I202-1081-main.jpg

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lwizardl:

I think the ones I'm looking at are IBM cases

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: if you are using standard ATX, that case should work. It's built by iUSA.

[04:39:58]

Lexridge:

It probably does not include a P/S. Check that too.

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whoever:

wagnerrp: as soon as i changed my geometry from full to 700x500 from watch to to last tuned chanel is about 6s

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: the link you posted is indeed an iUSA case, and very good quality. They also sell redundand P/S that fit into the standard ATX P/S slot.

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wagnerrp:

chances are you have no use for a redundant PSU

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Lexridge:

true

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lwizardl:

well I'm looking to build a second mythtv box to be used for my retail shop to playback video trailers

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Lexridge:

check out this p/s. Pricey but sweet: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Searc . . . p;CatId=1077

[04:45:00]

wagnerrp:

i would look at a minimac or dell hybrid

[04:45:20]

wagnerrp:

something small and stylish

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Lexridge:

I would love to build a mythfrontend with a minimac running linux. How sweet would that be!!!

[04:46:13]

lwizardl:

wagnerrp, well this machine will be housed in the backroom storage area and not fully viewable case on the retail sales floor

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: So why spend all that $$ on a rack case? Go cheap since it outta sight.

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, becuase the cases i can get free

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Lexridge:

oh...Nice!

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, Myth is confused about the audio. It gives me three choices which all say "Undetermined AC3". The first two are foreign languages, and the third is the commentary.

[04:48:18]

Lexridge:

That's how I got all mine too :)

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lwizardl:

I might have 3 of them Wednesday

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jpabq:

iamlindoro__ you have too many _

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: Well, once you get the cases, then you can determine the MB you need for them.

[04:49:15]

lwizardl:

Lexridge, but The stats of the machines I'm sure would not handle displaying HD videos like 1080p

[04:49:36]

lwizardl:

Lexridge, yeah thats why i was asking if the make different styles for the server cases

[04:49:43]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: Keep the cases, throw out the guts, and start over.

[04:50:02]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: what are the specs of the machines?

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wagnerrp:

what is the source of these '1080p' videos?

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: Most any ATX MB will probably fit. Just make sure the cases aren't older AT style stuff. If so, you don't want them as they are useless.

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, I'm not 100% sure on it but I think he said they was dual PIII 750's with 512MB ram, and 4x30GB SCSI in a raid setup

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wagnerrp:

not a chance that would do anything 1080p

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lwizardl:

wagnerrp, mainly 720p, 1080p trailers downloaded from Xbox Live (usually 4–5mins and 900mb)

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wagnerrp:

the single chip wont manage mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

and the pair of chips wont manage h.264

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lwizardl:

and they are WMV files

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Gumby:

I've just compiled mythtv with debugging options and now I am wondering how to use it with gdb do I just do gdm mythbackend (along with the options I want for gdb) or do I add things like the pidfile and logfile options for mythtv also?

[04:53:12]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: You will most certainly need new "guts" in these cases.

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: You will need at least a fast dual core for 1080p, and probably a quad core for smooth operation.

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wagnerrp:

lexridge: that depends on the source

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, yeah I planned on getting new stuff for inside, but I wanted to find out some things before I get the machines

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wagnerrp:

any decent modern processor can handle 1080p mpeg2 without much issue

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wagnerrp:

the h264 that apple puts out are pretty meek as well

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Lexridge:

true, mpeg2 is easier than h264

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wagnerrp:

low reference count, cavlc entropy coding

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lwizardl:

ok so

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wagnerrp:

and relatively low bitrate to top it off

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Lexridge:

note that a "decent modern processor" should be a dual core.

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Lexridge:

but is there anything else available these days?

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lwizardl:

what would you think I would need to playback 1080p WMV or other files, cpu/ram wise

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wagnerrp:

depends on what the wmv is

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lwizardl:

say 3ghz dual core?

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Gumby:

if I am using gdb to help debug and I start mythbackend with it and it shows a lot of "(no debugging symbols found)" does this mean I havnt compiled mythtv correctly for debuggging?

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wagnerrp:

older wmv was asp based. newer wmv is vc-1, which is closer to h264 in cpu requirements

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lwizardl:

I don't have them handy I gotta grab the .xex package and extract the wmv file from it

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lwizardl:

I think they are VC-1 becuase I remember reading someone converting a few of them into a HD-DVD compatible disc

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Lexridge:

I can play back 1080p with my dual core at 14Mb/s h264 with Mplayer, but VLC cannot play anything 1080p on this X2 4200 CPU.

[05:02:23]

Lexridge:

take wagnerrp's advice on this, as I am not qualified on this subject. I can only tell you what has worked for me.

[05:03:21]

lwizardl:

wagnerrp, ok so what would you look at for hardware wise to play back h264 (just incase)

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: if you are depending on this system to create sales, then don't skimp. Go with a Xeon Quad Core with 3GB RAM. You can write it off as a business expense anyway, right?

[05:08:45]

lwizardl:

becuase I would be looking for like a 3.0GHz dual core or faster, I would think atleast 2GB ram would be enough, and a 1TB HDD would provide enouh space for my need

[05:09:08]

Lexridge:

Then, you will want a killer GFX card with HDMI output, and make sure it's all supported by linux.

[05:09:42]

lwizardl:

Lexridge, I'm just going to use it as a constant source of random videos so I don't have to keep changing discs during the day

[05:10:25]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: Get the fastest dual core you can afford then. That *should* cover it.

[05:11:09]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: Although a 2.0Ghz quad core might be cheaper than the fastest dual core, and get the job done the same.

[05:11:16]

lwizardl:

Lexridge, I was looking to have Component video out so a NVidia Graphics card, But I also need to find a way to split that display source out onto 6 Displays (x5 19" displays, and x1 46" display)

[05:11:37]

lwizardl:

Lexridge, and yeah It would be a business write off

[05:11:51]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: In that case you will need a component distribution amp.

[05:11:52]

jblack:

hmmmm. If he needs the best computer available today, then how could myth have done the same job two years ago?

[05:12:15]

Lexridge:

jblack. because he is wanting to do 1080p resolution

[05:12:31]

jblack:

The same question remains.

[05:13:13]

Lexridge:

jblack: you simply cannot do 1080p with old single core hardware.

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lwizardl:

2 years ago I don't think you could do 1080p only 1080i

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Lexridge:

exactly!

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lwizardl:

and handling 1080i vs 1080p changes the required hardware

[05:14:05]

Lexridge:

1080p would be like doing 2160i

[05:14:33]

lwizardl:

I just understand this much from my research building my current mythtv box

[05:15:06]

lwizardl:

but I have to get that MOBO replaced from MSI I think it has a dry soder point

[05:15:21]

Lexridge:

you mean a cold solder joint

[05:15:34]

lwizardl:

yeah thanks for the correction

[05:15:35]

jblack:

I think there's a habit of sparing no expense, when someone else's wallet is involved.

[05:16:14]

Lexridge:

jblack: think what you will. I'm just giving suggestions. If you know better, please go on and speak your mind.

[05:16:20]

lwizardl:

if the computer gets bumped or moved it shuts off. and has killed now 3 HDDs and 2 dvd drives

[05:16:34]

Lexridge:

OUCH!!!!

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, luckily i removed the 400gb sata and DVD_+RW drives and when back to old hardware. so I only lost a 10Gb, 20GB, and 40GB drives, and 2 DVD readers

[05:17:51]

Lexridge:

ah, smallish stuff.

[05:18:10]

lwizardl:

yeah just extra hardware i had laying around

[05:19:32]

lwizardl:

what would be the most supported card for recording OTA feeds? something internal

[05:19:32]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: basically, all I can tell you is buy the best/fastest you can afford....and you WILL need component D/As to distribute the signal to multiple monitors. Those will not be cheap.

[05:20:06]

lwizardl:

D/A = Distribution Amps ?

[05:20:24]

Lexridge:

lwizardl: There are HDMI DA's available now, but not sure if that is what you want...yes, D/A = distrubution amps.

[05:21:45]

Lexridge:

you will also need audio D/As if you go the component route.

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, nah I don't want to go HDMI route. becuase I plan to use coaxial cables with F-connector -> RCA adapters and use that to feed the signals since this will allow me to have longer runs without much loss

[05:22:37]

Lexridge:

that should work...except for the audio.

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, I plan to just run the audio into the sound system most likely just a surround sound system so I'll only need to feed one source for that

[05:23:56]

Lexridge:

BlackMagic Designs make some Mini Converters that pretty much convert anything to anything else, but they are not cheap: http://decklink.com/products/miniconverters/:

[05:24:27]

lwizardl:

But I will need to feed each video display the same feed. and then just the surround sound the audio cables.

[05:25:10]

lwizardl:

i'll look into these also more options are always nice to look into

[05:25:52]

Lexridge:

Depending on the length of run, SDI would be your best choice for long ones. You would need one HDMI to SDI, then and SDI D/A. That gets you 300' per run, then SDI to HDMI one each end.

[05:26:30]

Lexridge:

damn, I have problems typing one and on...DOH!!!

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lwizardl:

ok because I did some research locally and all the big box shops all do the same thing. like BestBuy for example.

[05:27:16]

Lexridge:

they are doing SDI to HDMI?

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lwizardl:

They have one source then that feeds into a distribution block using coaxial.

[05:27:43]

lwizardl:

then that feeds into each display

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Lexridge:

okay, depending on the quality of coax used, you can probably do it cheaper that way. Be sure to use double shielded RG59..foil that is.

[05:28:59]

lwizardl:

I was looking at RG6

[05:29:15]

Lexridge:

rg6 is even better

[05:30:13]

Lexridge:

you will need to make sure you get the proper connectors, and the right crimping tools. Clark Cable is a good source.

[05:30:19]

lwizardl:

yeah locally I can get bulk 1000ft for $95 but then I'll need end connectors, etc

[05:30:57]

Lexridge:

http://www.clarkwire.com/

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lwizardl:

Lexridge, thanks again for all the great information. You have been a great help

[05:31:22]

Lexridge:

I buy all my cable needs from these people. Ask for Andy

[05:31:57]

Lexridge:

np man

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Lexridge:

the connectors will probably run you about $2 per, which isn't bad really. They are rated at 3Gb

[05:32:49]

Lexridge:

go with BNC/RCA instead of RF to RCA however.

[05:33:15]

Lexridge:

much cleaner fit. :)

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lwizardl:

ok I use them for my security cameras

[05:33:43]

Lexridge:

cool

[05:34:04]

lwizardl:

I've got a 16 camera network dvr (sprite)

[05:34:35]

lwizardl:

thats only going to be used inside the shop in a few

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Lexridge:

nice. I've been thinking about getting into security systems with my computer shop (side business). Not moved on it yet.

[05:35:33]

Lexridge:

Home Automation was my original goal, but I cannot get my partner interested in it yet. :(

[05:36:24]

lwizardl:

yeah I couldn't pass on it. I got the sprite 320GB (2x 160GB) with 3 Cameras for $50

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Lexridge:

nice deal!

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lwizardl:

so now I just need to get the other 13 cameras

[05:36:55]

Lexridge:

Does anyone remember EZHome for the Amiga in the early 90s? that was mine :)

[05:37:33]

lwizardl:

yeah I got it from another business that was liquadated and I was the only person that knew what it was

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Lexridge:

that happens from time to time.. Lucky you

[05:37:56]

lwizardl:

yeah thanks

[05:38:28]

Lexridge:

Kinda like the Star Trek TNG press kit I happened on. Got it for free and sold it for $2500. Gotta love that :)

[05:38:54]

lwizardl:

dang thats really nice

[05:39:08]

Lexridge:

I laughed all the way to the bank :)

[05:39:23]

lwizardl:

I bet

[05:39:50]

Lexridge:

now, If I could only sell the remaining 5 I would really laugh all the way to the bank :)

[05:40:09]

Lexridge:

not the same kits though....less impressive.

[05:40:50]

Lexridge:

well good luch lwizardl with your project. Please let us know what you decide to do.

[05:40:56]

kormoc:

I bid $0.01!

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Lexridge:

luch=luck lol

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Lexridge:

SOLD!!!!

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lwizardl:

does the server boards have a marking of what they are? like ATX boards do

[05:41:12]

kormoc:

wooties!

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kormoc:

typically a server board is a atx board...

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Lexridge:

yea, they will be clearly advertised as E-ATX, but you don't really need that calibar of MB.

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wagnerrp:

if theyre a dual processor board, you need room for eatx

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kormoc:

sure, but my point is a server board is just a reliable mobo, nothng really technical

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wagnerrp:

i have an e-atx board fit in a standard atx case

[05:42:37]

wagnerrp:

but i had to remove the drive cages to do so

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Lexridge:

yea, wagnerrp: it will fit, but the drive bays must go

[05:43:39]

Lexridge:

don't go this route unless using external storage

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wagnerrp:

i ran a generic web server on it for years

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lwizardl:

yeah I'm not going to do that. I want to use the full case

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wagnerrp:

no bulk storage, just one drive

[05:44:20]

wagnerrp:

but it was a dual 1GHz P3 Xeon

[05:44:24]

wagnerrp:

nice machine

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Lexridge:

yea, that would be a great web server

[05:45:23]

wagnerrp:

used it up until the ATA controller and all my spare scsi drives died

[05:45:32]

wagnerrp:

about a year ago

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Lexridge:

lwizardl: with that said, you should not need a multi-cpu MB. A single dual/quad cpu should do what you want to do...everybody agree?

[05:47:29]

wagnerrp:

but wheres the fun in that?

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Lexridge:

lol

[05:47:57]

wagnerrp:

personally, im not a fan of the current block of quad core intels

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lwizardl:

but what about if I later wanted it to recording a show from an OTA antenna source while also watching it.

[05:48:16]

lwizardl:

I've always Liked AMD processors

[05:48:23]

wagnerrp:

the newer chips may be different

[05:48:33]

wagnerrp:

but last time we did a bulk purchase at work

[05:48:36]

Lexridge:

Do not buy a MB using the Intel SATA RAID controller. I have had a plethora of problems with this over multiple servers.

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lwizardl:

I've only owned 2 Intel processors and both died within 2 years

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wagnerrp:

we ended up going with dual cores, since the limited FSB bandwidth resulted in the quad cores being about 20–30% faster than equivalently clocked dual cores

[05:52:41]

wagnerrp:

quickpath on the nehalem chips should fix that issue

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knightrage:

ok so, ive used mythtv's dvb scanner and found some channels. viewing the channels works. however, none of the channels have guide information. i did set up a schedulesdirect lineup for DigitalCable, and it is selected for the dvb input. when i run mythfilldatabase, when it shows all the channel names it says 'not adding channel <name> (abbrev)'. any ideas why it doesnt?

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kormoc:

Personally, I highly recommend intel cpus, motherboards, drive controllers, and ethernet adapters

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Gumby:

if I use subtitle as a duplicate check method in a power search and the subtitle is empty for each item in my database, would that be a valid way to make sure duplicates arent recorded? or are blank entries in a column NOT considered a match

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NineTeen67Comet:

I am running two MythTV boxes as front ends and one Debian box running the MySQL database and another box with the nfs shared movies .. Do I need a MySQL database for each computer? Or will one mythtv (name of db) database work for all machiens?

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clever:

all front(and back)ends must have the same database

[10:39:46]

NineTeen67Comet:

Awesome good then .. they've both been working, but I wasn't sure if they'd need to update something according to each'es needs ..

[10:39:47]

NineTeen67Comet:

thank you ..

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NineTeen67Comet:

Secondly, I've been on the look out for a remote that will work with my comptuers. I don't really need TVin or Decoder (I'm an American in Japan on a Military base) .. but I would like to use a Remote with my computers .. Suggestions?

[10:41:54]

clever:

there are serial and usb based receivers

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NineTeen67Comet:

USB would be best .. I've got a PVR 150 (Hauppauge) but the remote doesn't work (it was on the return rack) .. I'll check for USB IR Receivers ..

[10:43:26]

NineTeen67Comet:

Amazon has this pretty cheap .. If I hooked up the cable tv it'd at least be able to go through the channels wouldn't it?

[10:43:29]

NineTeen67Comet:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1178-WinTV-HV . . . 2&sr=1-7

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clever:

i think the HVR is for encoding hidef tv(component) back into digital

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NineTeen67Comet:

I'm reading the reviews on amazon about linux, and so far doesn't look supported .. and I can't find any PVR 250s or 500s .. Those two I hear about the most ..

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clever:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1600

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clever:

ahhh atsc/ntsc!

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NineTeen67Comet:

yes, I'm ntsc

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clever:

from what that page says, the card will work under linux

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DGnome:

NineTeen67Comet: the Satelco USB-remote works, as do all of the other samsung irda-based remotes..

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clever:

i was getting the HVR confused with a different card

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NineTeen67Comet:

clever: aha .. unkay ..

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NineTeen67Comet:

DGnome: I'm googling that now .. thanks much ..

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DGnome:

NineTeen67Comet: the satelco remote costs about 12 euros

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NineTeen67Comet:

If I can get a tv card that's remote will play nice that'd be a bonus anyhow though ..

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NineTeen67Comet:

DGnome: so bout $24 .. that's not bad ..

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DGnome:

NineTeen67Comet: 16USD according to google :)

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NineTeen67Comet:

My exchange rates always sucked .. lol

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Dibblah:

No, they recently vastly changed.

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NineTeen67Comet:

DGnome I'm sorry to bug you again, but I can't find any remote info on either the Satelco USB-remote or the Samsung irda-based remotes .. Can you point me in a good direction?

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NineTeen67Comet:

I did find a Satelco EasyView USB thing but it was $250.00

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NineTeen67Comet:

gotta hit the sack .. early morning comming up .. thanks for your help clever and DGnome .. I think I'm going to order a couple of the Hauppauge 1600s ..

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NineTeen67Comet:

g'night all .. =)

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gbee:

I'm assuming that's a mis-placed full-stop

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gbee_:

sphery: Serenity bug should be fixed

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wagnerrp:

seems one of my 150s has died

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wagnerrp:

lost the V-hold or something

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wagnerrp:

one of my recordings last night looks like im watching the scrambled channels

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gbee:

weird, one of my pens has melted in my desk drawer

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jamie:

gbee: whereis gbee

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jamie:

Leicester, UK?

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jamie:

not known for its melting pens in November

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gbee:

Derby

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gbee:

didn't melt as a result of heat, that's for sure

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jamie:

:)

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gbee:

think it reacted with the rubber it was lying next too, never seen that happen before

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gbee:

and for all you sniggering Americans, rubber == eraser

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jamie:

heh

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shadash:

what colour was it

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gbee:

the pen? or the pencil removing slab of vulcanized tree sap?

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gbee:

black and white respectively

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shadash:

I'm in the US but my company has an office in the UK and they create white papers every now an then. Before we send them out to US customer I always get the task of "find the crazy English word"

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shadash:

or expression

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jamie:

"crazy English" ?

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shadash:

not American english

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shadash:

otherwise known as "crazy english" .... It's science

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gbee:

iamlindoro: you're not an actor are you?

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gbee:

err, nevermind, reading it backwards

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iamlindoro:

Reading what?

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bradd:

are mythweb "skins" broken for anyone else since a day or two ago (in trunk) or is it just me?

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gbee:

iamlindoro: film credits

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Ah, heh

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gbee:

apparently I don't know my American history because your namesake was Secretary of Defence under Kennedy

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iamlindoro:

Yep, true

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iamlindoro:

and a bit of a douche from what I understand

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iamlindoro:

quite the Hawk

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iamlindoro:

Mmmm, "Please rectify my error." Heh.

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iamlindoro:

-dev is getting just as amusing as -users

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gbee:

ooo, controversial – http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/fedora_10_review/

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fuxxy:

I'm having a hard time getting mythweb and phpmyadmin to peacefully coexist on the same non-vhost webserver.. I try to browse to http://localhost/phpmyadmin/index.php, and after logging in at the prompt, I get a mythtv page stating "invalid module specified"

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CoreDump:

something's very wrong w/ your apache / php setup then

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Dibblah:

gbee: Stupid people. Kernel mode setting is _nothing_ to do with moving the VT.

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fuxxy:

well, there's a problem

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gbee:

heh, yeah, to be honest I didn't read the whole thing, I was just suprised that anyone was daring to suggest that the Ubuntu faithful should defect

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fuxxy:

apparently the gentoo mythweb ebuild sets /var/www/localhost/htdocs/mythweb.php as the index.

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NJ2DX-Tom:

cd

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GreyFoxx:

dvd

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at0m|c:

dd

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r3dh2t:

morning gang

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iamlindoro_:

HAHAH

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iamlindoro_:

This Avilipsha guy won't quit

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r3dh2t:

avilipsha? On mythtv-users list?

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janneg:

no, on the dev list, posting the same questions daily without reading replies

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r3dh2t:

ahh that must get annoying

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r3dh2t:

wow he really won't quit. lol

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abqjp:

janneg: just a note: I manage to put my backend machine under heavy load last night. This resulted in DeviceReadBuffer giving up reading data from the HD-PVR. Somehow, though, mpegrecorder did not notice that DRB was no longer "running", and ended up in an infinite loop, with no sleep — so mythbackend ended up consuming a core. Pretty easy to band-aid this, but I will try to figure out the root cause.

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r3dh2t:

of course i'm surprised that a mailing list post titled "Please rectify my error" doesn't get flamed heavily

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dustybin:

is there a way to export all the channel information, my friend has the same setup as me, but we cannot be bothered to edit all the channels

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SHADOW__X:

maybe you could export it from the db

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dustybin:

eeek

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dustybin:

SHADOW__X: you need brains to do that?

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SHADOW__X:

not really just find the table its in

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SHADOW__X:

if all the info is there

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** dustybin smells a corrupted db **

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SHADOW__X:

?

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SHADOW__X:

if you import that in?

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shadash:

Pricewatch has 1tb 32mb sata drives for $87 :-)

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SHADOW__X:

nice

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gizmobay:

I removed my atrpms packages and I compiled myth and the plugins which all work. I'm trying to compile mythstream which works. The problem I'm having though is when I play a stream in mythstream and I exit out to the main menu I'm getting a seg fault and the frontend crashes.

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gizmobay:

Is this a theme issue? I've tried multiple themes and the all seg fault

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds more like a mythstream issue. You'd need to contact the author for that.

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gizmobay:

http://pastebin.ca/1266775

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iamlindoro_:

So it's trying to do something with the Mythstream UI file and segfaults. Contact the author.

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shadash:

give your systems hostname

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iamlindoro_:

There's a *reason* MythStream isn't an official plugin. It's *horrible*

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: That is totally unnecessary and has nothing to do with his problem.

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iamlindoro_:

myth will work just fine with localhost as a hostname.

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shadash:

well I always set my systems up correctly with a hostname to avoid issues

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iamlindoro_:

And, in fact, if he wre to follow your advice, he'd lose all his frontend settings.

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shadash:

ahhh

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iamlindoro_:

shadash: There's nothing *incorrect* about having localhost as a hostname with myth.

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iamlindoro_:

It may not be optimal, but it's by no means wrong.

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shadash:

I just thought the mythstream might be looking for a hostname

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iamlindoro_:

No.

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iamlindoro_:

You just about almost caused him tons of new problems, though

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iamlindoro_:

Probably best to hold off if you're just guessing with answers.

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iamlindoro_:

More likely his issue is that mythstream is incompatible with MythUI's new theme format.

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shadash:

sounds reasonable

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gizmobay:

I'm using 0.21

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Led-Hed:

I have 3 HD Frontends, all 3 randomly drop outof video playback while watching recorded shows (HD or SD). I have "Always Stream from Backend" enabled. This seems to cause mythsocket errors. If I disable it, the frontends use a ton of bandwidth for HD streams, 80–90mbit. Any Ideas why it would be using so much bandwidth?

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Led-Hed:

or why Stream from Backend would cause Socket errors?

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shadash:

ugh making a custom anaconda/kickstart installer is a pita

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justinh:

hrm. lots of IDE channel lockups lately. 3 in as many days. not good

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justinh:

about time to slot the sata controller in with 2 new HDDs I think

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pheld:

My backend spews "DTVRec(1) Error: FindH264Keyframes: No ringbuffer" when trying to record from a HD-channel. Tuning with szap-s2 and watching with "ffplay /dev/dvb/adapter1/dvr0" works. My mythbackend works with DVB-S, but obviously not with DVB-S2. Any takers?

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justinh:

pheld: so you need to patch myth to work with dvb-s2 of course

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pheld:

this is trunk with s2api and vdpau patches

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justinh:

no idea then

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justinh:

you're pretty much on your own in that respect :)

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pheld:

kernel 2.6.27.6 and v4l-dvb trunk

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quantum:

I am trying to repair my syetem and just created a new mythtv database and went through and the mythtvsetup and myfilldatabase but now I am trying to record a show and I can do it from live TV but nothing seems to happen when I try to schedule a recording

[18:58:12]

quantum:

when I hit save it just doesnt seem to do anything, it just exits and doesnt show that hte show will be recorded

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quantum:

anybody out there

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kormoc:

nope, all 191 of us are idle

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bradd:

kormoc: you are the maintainer of mythweb yes?

[19:00:17]

kormoc:

One of two, aye

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bradd:

anyone else report that the skins no longer work are of a day or two ago?

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** justinh ponders how the hell he's gonna slot in a hardware upgrade amid all the recording schedules **

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kormoc:

no?

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bradd:

no matter what is set it only uses the default

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kormoc:

htm

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kormoc:

Did you re-select it in the settings?

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bradd:

yup..tried them all

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kormoc:

I changed the skins a bit, but they should have been transparently upgraded

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kormoc:

kk, I'll fix that up tonight

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justinh:

are there any skins worth having other than the default?

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bradd:

i made my own

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kormoc:

justinh, iPod-default!

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quantum:

not sure what else to try: why won't the recordings take when I select them

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justinh:

oo a new one. will have to check out trunk again soon

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quantum:

I can record live tv o.k. though

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kormoc:

justinh, only really helps if you have a ipod :P

[19:02:22]

justinh:

kormoc: ah. oh well. I'll never see it then

[19:02:31]

kormoc:

bradd, in short, if you downgrade includes/skins.php back a revision or two, it should work again for ya, sorry bout that

[19:02:41]

justinh:

no cash left after buying a 1TB HDDs

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bradd:

no problem..was just trying to make sure my system wasnt borked

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justinh:

s/a/2

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kormoc:

justinh, http://flickr.com/photos/kormoc/tags/iPod

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justinh:

oooo nice

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kormoc:

Yeah, there's one more panel type I need to add (filter panel), but it's fairly sharp and working

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justinh:

I started trying to do a mythweb skin once. got lost in the css quagmire

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kormoc:

Hehe, I just created a new template and thus able to do all new css as well

[19:05:58]

kormoc:

but yeah, if the overhaul ever happens...

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xris:

justinh: yeah. I only got about halfway through my cleanup... and now it needs to get re-done from scratch

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kormoc:

the idea is to finish up the php bindings and then re-do the ui on top of them

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justinh:

oh goody I have a 10 hour window to do the hardware upgrade on saturday. if I get up early

[19:08:38]

justinh:

damn WAF means no missed recordings

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r3dh2t:

http://flickr.com/photos/kormoc/tags/iPod

[19:09:38]

r3dh2t:

oops, my bad, going to take a look :)

[19:09:44]

justinh:

earlier when I thought /dev/hdd1 was borked beyond recognition my wife said "but you can fix it right?". No it's a broken hard disk. "But you can fix that, right?". NO. It's a HARD DRIVE gone bad

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kormoc:

heh

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justinh:

but it wasn't.. so now apparently I can fix anything. and the upgrade will not disrupt a thing. yay for me

[19:10:22]

kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

well

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kormoc:

better get the good hero sex now before you let her down :P

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r3dh2t:

wow kormoc, that looks sweet, how did you manage it?

[19:10:47]

justinh:

ROTFLMAO

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kormoc:

r3dh2t, the code's committed, so take a gander at that :P

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r3dh2t:

kormoc, sorry as usual i'm confused ;) the ipod touch code is committed?

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** J-e-f-f-A|work ponders buying an iPod Touch after seeing kormoc's work via the list... ;-) **

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bradd:

i checked ouyt the ipod skin..looks nice

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kormoc:

r3dh2t, aye, in -trunk

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justinh:

ooo. I have a spare box. not the fastest in the world but I should be able to do a rate-limited rsync across the network to the new HDDs in advance :)

[19:13:28]

r3dh2t:

i really need to get a spare box up and look at this mysterious trunk, it always sounds awesome, lol

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kormoc:

J-e-f-f-A|work, Heh, it's fairly slick as a nice device :)

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justinh:

heheh rsync does indeed have a rate limit switch so I don't swamp my network :D

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: you mean you don't have 10GBps Ethernet? ;-)

[19:14:41]

justinh:

no not yet

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NJ2DX-Tom:

question about MythWeather setup. Although there are script directores for ca_envcan uk_bbc and us_nws however it seems to only use the uk_bbc source.

[19:14:57]

justinh:

don't have 1Gbit yet either.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: hehe... me neither... just a half dozen on Gigabit, rest is 100Mb... ;-)

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justinh:

NJ2DX-Tom: you might be missing dependencies for the others

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justinh:

NJ2DX-Tom: try running them from a shell & see what they spit out

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NJ2DX-Tom:

ok will do

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r3dh2t:

kormoc: i'm assuming you had to write some ipod touch code as well? What language is that written in? Did you have to pay the apple ipod developers fee?

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kormoc:

r3dh2t, it's purely a web-app, runs in safari on the ipod touch/iphone, just a fair bit of work with CSS to get the look/feel right

[19:17:09]

kormoc:

it's all php, html, css, and javascript

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r3dh2t:

oh wow, that is cool

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r3dh2t:

kudos to you!

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r3dh2t:

how do you normally encode your ipod touch videos? I use nuvexport, is that the best route to go?

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kormoc:

I have my own userjob that I'm running

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kormoc:

that said, It's broken as of last night, but I'll get it fixed up shortly, just attempting to add in --useSkiplist and --useCutlist

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r3dh2t:

what programs does the userjob use? I have it as a userjob as well, but it's really just calling nuvexport

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kormoc:

ffmpeg

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r3dh2t:

is there any chance you could send me your script? I would love to see what other people are doing. There must be a better way than i'm doing it.. my quality isn't so good

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justinh:

it's a mobile device.. what else would you expect? ;-)

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kormoc:

https://www.kormoc.com/trac/browser/Scripts/b . . . uchExport.pl

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kormoc:

but, as I said, it's currently broken

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r3dh2t:

thanks, apprec!

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r3dh2t:

justinh: touche... but it's even more crap than I would expect

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r3dh2t:

i believe there is some r3dh2t flavour to the problems.. not just that it's a mobile device

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r3dh2t:

;)

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kormoc:

I just pulled random stuff out of thin air for that, it's just happens to be working, so I'm sure it could be made much better

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kormoc:

I'm still just playing and not overly concerned with quality :)

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justinh:

single pass encodes to < 1mbit mpeg4 are just asking for blockiness

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r3dh2t:

does a double pass help? I read online somewhere that for a video screen that small, double-pass was just wasting time

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kormoc:

What's the difference between ffmpeg's mpeg4 and h264 vcodecs in terms of quality, if anyone knows?

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r3dh2t:

korm: i'm afraid i don't.. i na't get h264 to work for me yet

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janneg:

kormoc: encoding?

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Dagmar:

You should maybe look around and learn what the point of doing two-pass encoding versus one-pass encoding its.

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Dagmar:

s/its/is/;

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kormoc:

janneg, aye, for encoding

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kormoc:

janneg, I was wondering if the same file, 400kbit/s mpeg4 vs h264, if one could even tell a difference or the like

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iamlindoro_:

I imagine that the deblocking filter in h.264 is probably a big help at those low bitrates, but that's purely a guess

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janneg:

kormoc: for qvga? probably yes, depending on encoder options

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kormoc:

ahh, slick

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kormoc:

I'll have to swap over to it then

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kormoc:

I wasn't going to bother unless I knew there was a chance for things to turn out better

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janneg:

kormoc: are you using plain ffmpeg for encoding?

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kormoc:

the deep rabbit hole of encoding options can drive men insane

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kormoc:

janneg, aye

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janneg:

kormoc: http://rob.opendot.cl/index.php/useful-stuff/ . . . oding-guide/

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kormoc:

janneg, awesome! Thanks much :)

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justinh:

bugger. I've not got any sata power adapters

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quantum:

doesn anyone have any idea why I can't record shows when I select if from the anything except live tv

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quantum:

if I am actually watching the show then it seems to let me record it

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janneg:

or if your ffmpeg already supports presets http://rob.opendot.cl/index.php/2008/09/17/ff . . . 264-presets/

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quantum:

seems like mythtv isn't able to handle adding new shows to the database except in live tv mode, not very useful

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justinh:

presets in ffmpeg? what next? user friendliness?

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iamlindoro_:

Looks like handbrake got a pretty substantial overhaul for any users of that, BTW

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sphery:

quantum: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (and, notice it says, "And, yes, you can still record LiveTV this way..."

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iamlindoro_:

Sphery is an encyclopedia of posts by sphery. A spherypaedia if you will.

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sphery:

lol

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venger:

I will be upgrading an existing debian backend and debian frontend to mythtv* (0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1) [lenny], but I also want to add in a ubuntu mythtv-frontend (0.21.0+fixes18722–0ubuntu1) [intrepid] <-- haven't upgraded from hardy yet. Anyone know if these versions should be able to work together. I'm hoping that any given variances in 0.21.X versions should be able to work as opposed to

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venger:

having to match distros/versions across the board.

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sphery:

btw, iamlindoro_ , I loved the redirect yesterday: "what are the best mythtv based distros?" -> "Ask in the best mythtv user channel, see topic."

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** iamlindoro_ bows **

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iamlindoro_:

venger: You're quoting two packages of the same revision (which of course would work), but I think perhaps you mean to quote two different

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sphery:

we should have a contest for most creative redirect

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iamlindoro_:

venger: That said, any .21 packages *should* work with one another, as the DB schema is not supposed to change in a release

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venger:

yes i meant mythtv-backend (0.21.svn20080706–0.0) AFA debian lenny

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Wasn't a very well formed question even when he made it here

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quantum:

sphery, I'll try that deleting all video sources and recreating tem

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venger:

i'll blame it on the paster

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iamlindoro_:

venger: Yes, that should be fine

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sphery:

quantum: the only requirement is that when re-creating them, you do so properly. That's the hard part to explain, but you might find enough in that post and its references.

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iamlindoro_:

You might/will have differing bug fixes which might make some troubleshooting painful, but the two should at least speak to each other

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NJ2DX-Tom:

MythWeather search location problem: I can't input a zip code I get funny characters i.e. 08755 = TPK

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gbee:

NJ2DX-Tom: press enter/select first to bring up the keyboard, then try

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NJ2DX-Tom:

trying to find location codes so that I can run scripts manually since I do have some missing dependencies...

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NJ2DX-Tom:

ah gui keyboard good I'll try that, thanks

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NJ2DX-Tom:

well I could enter my zip code that way but "Search Complete. Results: 0" maybe I'll try a zip code in NYC as a test...

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sphery:

not a zip code for most

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sphery:

things like southeast

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venger:

iamlindoro, i suppose i may need to determine what the lenny svn version has to offer verses the the ubuntu fixes one. I'd prefer to stick to debian on the backend though.

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sphery:

or just do a search for nothing and see the types of "regions" specified

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gbee:

someone shoot the Debian packager

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venger:

or in general rather if thats what it takes

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sphery:

That is the downside to aggregating data from various disparate sources (which we have to do because only some--generally not-too-user-friendly--sites allow our use of their data.

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NJ2DX-Tom:

ahh northeast worked for the ani maps! I guess locations are as specific for every type of screen. Thanks!

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gbee:

ok, I've a good user question? Why is my 16:9 video being letterbox on my 16:9 display?

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sphery:

yeah, they'll be different in different types of screens, but not too hard to figure out once you do a search for nothing (meaning everything)

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sphery:

gbee: using any Xinerama-related technology?

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gbee:

aye, but this wasn't a problem until I re-installed on Sunday

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NJ2DX-Tom:

ahh! I didn't even think of searching with no input! Excellent thank you very much I'm now getting some good screens in MythWeather, thanks!

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]Oscar:

I get this error on backend: 2008-11–25 20:41:30.686 DVBChan(4:0) Warning: Your frequency setting (10000000) is out of range. (min/max:48000000/860000000)

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]Oscar:

2008-11–25 20:41:30.687 DVBChan(4:0) Error: Tune(): Setting Frontend tuning parameters failed. eno: Invalid argument (22)

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janneg:

gbee: letterboxed on all 4 sides or only 2?

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sphery:

gbee: iff (yes, I mean "iff") using Xinerama*, you must specify "Monitor Aspect Ratio" (which is XineramaMonitorAspectRatio), "The aspect ratio of a Xinerama display can not be queried from the display, so it must be specified."

[19:44:14]

]Oscar:

But I cannot find such freq in the mythtv DB,...???

[19:44:33]

janneg:

gbee: you have to configure the display aspect ratio if you use xinerama

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gbee:

two, it's being vertically squashed (twice as it happens since the display is actually 16:10, the black area is being doubled compared to normal)

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gbee:

sphery: interesting, that shouldn't have changed since I'm using the same hostname as before

[19:45:28]

sphery:

worth a check, at least

[19:45:42]

gbee:

hah .... or not, seems my hostname was reset to localhost after a reboot

[19:46:20]

gbee:

thanks for the help, overlooking the obvious as usual :)

[19:46:27]

sphery:

]Oscar: pretty sure that "error" happens even with some valid configs... Are you experiencing problems (i.e. what symptoms are you noticing)?

[19:47:12]

]Oscar:

simply I cannot see any channel on DVBT.

[19:47:19]

sphery:

gbee: much easier to overlook the obvious when you know you configured it correctly (but didn't expect that the config just changed)

[19:47:38]

sphery:

]Oscar: have you done a proper channel scan? Was it successful?

[19:47:55]

]Oscar:

yes. The messages say that

[19:48:45]

sphery:

and you have a proper starting channel specified in the DB? You can find out by shutting down mythfrontend(s)/mythbackend(s) and then starting and exiting mythtv-setup. It will warn if there's an invalid starting channel.

[19:49:18]

]Oscar:

yes. I have just no starting channel for input such SVideo

[19:49:28]

gbee:

wouldn't mind seeing if QT4 or newer versions of X have some trick up it's sleeve that lets us get the proper display aspect regardless of xinerama

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]Oscar:

the svideo is from a pvr500, in the same backend, and it works greatly

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gbee:

brb

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]Oscar:

I tested also removing the pvr500,... reinstalling all, but the problem seems the same

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sphery:

]Oscar: I'd recommend changing the starting channel. May just be a problem with that one channel.

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]Oscar:

sometimes frontend starts with a black screen, and I can change channel. After the change, fronted exit with an error. I never seen any channel, so I don't think it can be just a starting chnnel problem.

[19:56:15]

]Oscar:

there is no a good channel to point to...

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iamlindoro_:

You're not starting the program with "mythtv," are you?

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gbee:

]Oscar: I've a feeling we all know the problem here, but could you tell us what command you are running?

[19:59:23]

]Oscar:

command like?

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gbee:

what command are you running to start the frontend?

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iamlindoro_:

yes, what command are you running the start mythtv

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]Oscar:

I start it from the application menu

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gbee:

and what happens?

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]Oscar:

appears the grey fronted menu

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gbee:

iamlindoro_: over to you

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]Oscar:

appear the "resize/caching theme", and after the fronted menu

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sphery:

so when you say, "frontend starts with a black screen," you actually mean, "When starting LiveTV in the frontend, all I see is a black screen"?

[20:03:00]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: Sounds like GANT to me

[20:03:06]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: so much for that idea

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]Oscar:

yes,.. sorry. More exactly, I see an analog channel (from pvr500), and after that I change source (DVBT1, for example), in back scree. In the lower side of the sceen sometime appear that I have 64$ of signal strengt

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iamlindoro_:

(I went for a cookie)

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]Oscar:

64%

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sphery:

]Oscar: may not be a good enough signal to get a lock, do you have another channel you can set for the starting channel /for that capture card input/?

[20:04:56]

** J-e-f-f-A|work hears "When I'm 64" playing in his head... ;-) **

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]Oscar:

I made a test, using command line to see channels, and it works perfectly,...

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iamlindoro_:

I am inclined to guess "DVB card set up wrong in mythtv-setup"

[20:08:21]

iamlindoro_:

But then, I'm coming late to the party, maybe someone's already guessed that

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]Oscar:

may be, but it semms to be so simple,...

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Dagmar:

If you think it's simple, that's a sign you're doing it wrong.

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gbee:

touche

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]Oscar:

:)

[20:19:03]

]Oscar:

can we try together? :-[

[20:19:33]

]Oscar:

I have the backend-setup started...

[20:19:47]

]Oscar:

I think I must destroy prevous conf, right?

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sphery:

]Oscar: I'd recommend trying http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 . Your PVR-550 is an analog source (and it sounds like you know how to set it up) and the DVB-T card is a digital source. The instructions for the DVB-T stuff are much more global than the analog, so that's good. Just replace the word "DataDirect" with "XMLTV" in that post.

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]Oscar:

ok,... I'm going to try it

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sphery:

good luck

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]Oscar:

it not say a lot about creating,... it points all on destroying! :)

[20:27:23]

]Oscar:

Now, fiirst of all, i'll create the sources. DVBT-Antenna

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** iamlindoro_ senses this is going to be one of those stream of consciousness things, prepares for the channel to look like an ee cumming poem for the next 30 minutes **

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iamlindoro_:

s/cumming/cummings/

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]Oscar:

i'm sorry,... but i don't not how to escape from this problem :(

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** gbee always streams ... look, I'm doing it now! **

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** gbee mops up the puddle before it soaks into the carpet **

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zbyszek:

hi can you help me with haupauge pvr usb2 setup?

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android60_:

im trying to get my fwd account working with mythtv but i never receive the test call. do i need certain ports forwarded to the comp?

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kormoc:

what's a fwd account?

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android60_:

free world dial up

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android60_:

im trying to get voip phone working

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kormoc:

well, given they're likely attempting to connect to you when they call, forwarded ports are likely important. Might want to ask them what ports they use

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iamlindoro_:

zbyszek: Have you followed this? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-PVR-USB2

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iamlindoro_:

zbyszek: If you can be specific about what trouble you're running in to, I'm sure someone will help

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zbyszek:

iamlindoro_ i tried, but it says, that latest kernel have built in drivers

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android60_:

wel ii have every port on their website listed forwarded to it but i didnt know if mythtv need something extra or what

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

android60_: You do need to forward a range of ports – IIRC, it's documented on the FWD site which ports...

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zbyszek:

on my other computer it worked out of the box

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kormoc:

so use the other computer?

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iamlindoro_:

zbyszek: Yes, should be ivtv and thus built in on most distros, no need to build it.

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zbyszek:

kormoc ...

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zbyszek:

iamlindoro_ i typed modprobe pvrusb2

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zbyszek:

but still no output at /dev/video

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iamlindoro_:

zbyszek: You may want to seek help in #v4l, that's the channel to get it working period

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iamlindoro_:

Once you have it working in linux, you would seek help for myth here

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]Oscar:

may I use the "Transmitted guide only (EIT)"?

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iamlindoro_:

]Oscar: For DVB? assuming your broadcaster uses EIT, yes. For testing purposes that should be fine.

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]Oscar:

ok

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kormoc:

Permission granted! Whee!

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]Oscar:

scanning channels

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kormoc:

Chewing pizza

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iamlindoro_:

droplets fall from sky

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iamlindoro_:

rain renews the land

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iamlindoro_:

I am at peace

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** J-e-f-f-A|work marks the date down. ;-) **

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]Oscar:

no,... I don't see nothing, and the frontend, changing channel exit with erro.

[20:45:24]

]Oscar:

another question. I never got a vnc session working. I see that x11vnc is installed, and seems to be active, from MCC panel

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android60_:

how can i make a test call using the phone now?

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]Oscar:

2008-11–25 21:44:43.540 NVP, Error: Unknown error, exiting decoder

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Dagmar:

You're not going to be able to watch TV over VNC.

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]Oscar:

My wife want that I leave from pc,... :( I cannot also make config tests,...

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]Oscar:

I can see the logs, to understand the errors,...

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iamlindoro_:

]Oscar: That's a error from the player, that's no help. Any and all useful information will likely be on the backend

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iamlindoro_:

and pastebinning it instead of selecting the lines that look important to you would be helpful

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]Oscar:

i'm looking on the backend logs

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kormoc:

exiting decoder is a front-end thing, likely no xv support if I had to guess randomly

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]Oscar:

2008-11–25 21:44:46.087 Something went terribly wrong in PMT parsing when looking at program info

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]Oscar:

this was from mythbackend.log

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]Oscar:

2008-11–25 21:44:45.881 TVRec(1): Changing from None to WatchingLiveTV

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]Oscar:

2008-11–25 21:44:45.888 TVRec(1): HW Tuner: 1->1

[20:48:42]

]Oscar:

2008-11–25 21:44:46.063 Tuning to 'MPEG Program 1' pnum: 0x1 without CRC check on PMT

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]Oscar:

2008-11–25 21:44:46.067 Something went terribly wrong in PMT parsing when looking at program info

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iamlindoro_:

Don't just pick and choose lines, use pastebin and give us lots more than that

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iamlindoro_:

jesus

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iamlindoro_:

pastebin, not paste

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]Oscar:

pastebin? I'm sorry, I dont know it,.... ??

[20:49:06]

iamlindoro_:

www.pastebin.ca/www.pastebin.ca/www.rafb.net

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]Oscar:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

er second one should have been .com

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]Oscar:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1266938

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gbee:

I'd avoid pastebin.com, uses windows line endings

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iamlindoro_:

looks like the DVB stream is broken (at least, as far as Myth believes)

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]Oscar:

I tested the card with 'sudo tzap -r -c /home/oscar/.tzap/channels.conf "RaiUno" ' and ' mplayer /dev/dvb/adapter0/dvr0' and it worked fine....

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gbee:

and these channels were scanned using mythtv's channel scanner and not manually imported into the database or by using a channels.conf file?

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]Oscar:

I tryed also importing the channels.conf via mythtv setup,... but it's the same

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]Oscar:

I used channels.conf from distro or from dvbscan, and with tzap they works.

[21:01:51]

]Oscar:

importing it in mythtv,.. nothing changes.

[21:02:08]

]Oscar:

just as scanning from mythtv

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NJ2DX-Tom:

My capture card is in the mail but trying to setup MythTV mpw. Can I setup "Schedules Direct" before I have a capture card plugged in?

[21:04:51]

NJ2DX-Tom:

opps mpw = now

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Dagmar:

Yes, but only because your SchedulesDirect lineup exists independently of MythTV.

[21:12:10]

Dagmar:

You won't be able to put anything into MythTV for it without a tuner card, tho', since you've no tuner to associate the listing source to.

[21:12:48]

Dagmar:

Short answer: You can set up the SD acccount but you should just wait until the tuner card comes in to setup MythTV.

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justinh_:

now there's a new thing. a pci card which is too damn thick to fit in a slot

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kormoc:

it's the new pci-phat standard!

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Dagmar:

Just lap it until it fits.

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justinh_:

oh FFS

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justinh_:

and my sata controller no supporty 1TB disks

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro_:

sil3114?

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justinh_:

the bios does not be installed. press <g> to continue

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justinh_:

lame crap!

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iamlindoro_:

Oh wait...

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Dagmar:

What?

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iamlindoro_:

didn't sphery have that two weeks ago?

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Dagmar:

It doesn't support 1Tb disks?

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Dagmar:

How?

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iamlindoro_:

It was on a new Seagate disk, the *disk* had that broken english message about no firmware

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Dagmar:

You mean the RAID part doesn't support 1Tb, right?

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justinh_:

how? the bios is prolly too old

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iamlindoro_:

I think in that exact broken english

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** iamlindoro_ pokes sphery **

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

what disk drive loads it's own bios firmware?

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justinh_:

the sata controller bios

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kormoc:

sure, but that's not a disk drive

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iamlindoro_:

kormoc: Excuse me, not speaking english-- the disk was lacking firmware is what I was on about

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kormoc:

I'm still not following, but whatever

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iamlindoro_:

And it appears it was while mythlogbot was dead

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justinh_:

oh bugger. plug a sata disk in & it disables the ide channel

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justinh_:

ARGHHH

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NJ2DX-Tom:

Dagmar, was away from computer. Thanks for info!

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justinh_:

and no bios updates since 2004

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justinh_:

grrr

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Dagmar:

OH.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: 2004? Wow, that's an old motherboard! ;-)

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Dagmar:

By the way, for the people who we've been seeing install their SATA disks and get crap throughput because it's somehow using an IDE driver on them, the magic phrase is "In your BIOS, set the SATA controller to 'AHCI mode' not 'SATA mode'"

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justinh_:

so my new sata controller won't fit.. and the onboard won't work

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justinh_:

this is beyond the fscking pale

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justinh_:

so.. looks like I needed to budget for a new 5 PCI slot board, new CPU & new RAM too

[21:26:46]

justinh_:

just to upgrade my HDDs

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justinh_:

the pcb isn't detectably thicker.. hrm

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]Oscar:

I'm seeing a dvbt channel with kaffeine,... it works... :(

[21:29:21]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: Is it the slots in the card? Maybe it's a 5v only card, and you've got 3.3v only slots?

[21:30:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: (IE: the keys... used for voltage capabilities on PCI...) I haven't seen that issue in a long time, but maybe that's it...

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justinh_:

sorted it

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sphery:

justinh_: I did have that exact same problem

[21:31:12]

justinh_:

it was the bloomin inside notch – not big enough. just borrowed an emery board & widened it

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** J-e-f-f-A|work was on the right track... ;-) **

[21:31:35]

justinh_:

though if the card is that badly engineered... would I trust it as far as I could throw it?

[21:31:37]

sphery:

justinh_: So the cable wasn't plugged in all the way?

[21:31:53]

Dagmar:

You widened the notch?

[21:31:53]

justinh_:

sphery: nah this is a bios too old for HDD issue

[21:31:58]

justinh_:

Dagmar: yes

[21:32:03]

Dagmar:

This might be magic-smoke time

[21:32:09]

justinh_:

nah

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: He just widened it a little, it's not like he cut a new notch in the card.. ;-)

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justinh_:

like a fraction of a millimetre

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: Could also be the dividers on the pci slots are thicker than 'normal'...

[21:33:16]

Dagmar:

I could go look it up, but I know there's been memory sticks where the notch width mattered.

[21:33:19]

sphery:

justinh_: On mine it seemed to be a timing issue--it worked fine as long as I delayed the probe from the card, but since there were no options to do that in the card's firmware and since I was using a PCI card (not an integrated SATA controller), the mobo BIOS didn't have any options to help. I ended up just moving that HDD to a slightly slower system that takes just a little more time to get to the probe. :)

[21:33:40]

Dagmar:

I can't remember right now whether or not htere's any flavors of PCI that rely on a wider/narrower notch for keying

[21:34:22]

justinh_:

motherboard manual says.. primary IDE channel no worky if you use sata HDD

[21:34:26]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: I don't think so, there's just two keys IIRC, one on either end – which specify if the slot is 5v only 3.3v only or universal...

[21:34:42]

justinh_:

new card fits.. and sees the HDD. then

[21:34:44]

justinh_:

hangs

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sphery:

justinh_: I'm pretty sure, though, that error is the SATA controller saying, "I can't find any valid SATA HDD's, perhaps because the HDD firmware isn't properly loaded."

[21:35:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: sounds like they're emulating a standard IDE controller with sata then...

[21:35:17]

iamlindoro_:

That's the "PCB filings in PCI slot error"

[21:35:27]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^ hehe

[21:35:31]

Dagmar:

hah

[21:35:49]

justinh_:

mmyers

[21:37:59]

justinh_:

I swear I've never seen anything as lame as this

[21:38:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: So on-board sata, but won't work with IDE @ the same time, and neither will the PCI SATA card? Strange... Maybe check the boot order?

[21:39:18]

justinh_:

device plugged into sata0 == primary master not detected

[21:39:24]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: I've got 8 drives in my myth box now – and the bios only gives the option to boot off of the first 8 devices found, so if I have a USB drive plugged in on a re-boot, I have to enter the bios to fix the boot drive again... lame...

[21:39:29]

justinh_:

device plugged into sata1 == primary slave not detected

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justinh_:

I could undetsrand this if it was some crappy via controller.. which the onboard is

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: I hate issues like this... I usually encounter this type of stuff fixing other people's computers though... Which makes it more flustrating for me...

[21:43:09]

justinh_:

I might just take these 1TB babies back & grab two 750GB PATA drives instead

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** J-e-f-f-A|work hasn't ventured into the >500GB drive realm yet... **

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justinh_:

maybe it's the sata cable.. but if the drive is identified..

[21:45:29]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh_: you don't happen to have another box to test it on, do you?

[21:45:44]

justinh_:

not with sata, no

[21:45:45]

sphery:

justinh_: only problem with PATA 750's is they're /much/ more expensive than SATA, anymore

[21:46:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I find those USB2 -> IDE/SATA adapters to be Gold... ;-)

[21:46:21]

sphery:

BTW, for anyone who's looking, newegg is having a sale on WD Green 1TB HDD's for $99.99 including free shipping (for US, at least) starting tomorrow.

[21:46:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I use them for troubleshooting all the time.

[21:46:34]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Oooh, I like those disks much

[21:46:40]

iamlindoro_:

quiet as a mouse, too

[21:46:40]

sphery:

yeah, I knew you did.

[21:46:57]

** J-e-f-f-A|work still has two 500GB WD's to RMA... not too keen on them at the moment... **

[21:47:09]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^^^ they are quiet though...

[21:47:15]

Dagmar:

4850e CPU's for sixty bucks is ni-i-ice.

[21:47:18]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A_: The greens?

[21:47:37]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro__: Actually, no, they're normal ones.

[21:47:58]

justinh_:

nope. different cable & the card still hangs

[21:48:05]

sphery:

Doesn't everyone know that Green is better, today. Stupid environment haters! (That was sarcasm.)

[21:48:28]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Hehe... I'll take all the GREEN I can get... ;-)

[21:48:38]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I dunno, I could say that with a straight face. Geek types are pretty guilty of waste

[21:48:51]

Dagmar:

Here's a huge kick in the pants tho... The new ASUS board I got has an AMI BIOS... with boot splash.

[21:48:53]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Doing with 15 computers what one could do with one, etc.

[21:49:08]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

hehe... yeah, like my backend server is on 24x7... with 8 HDD's... ;-)

[21:49:34]

justinh_:

bugger. sil3114 known to hang with samsung 1tb

[21:49:51]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Heh, totally called teh shipset-- they do the same with Seagate

[21:49:56]

iamlindoro_:

the chipset

[21:50:12]

iamlindoro_:

just hangs up the POST, I have four SATA ports that are useless to me

[21:50:37]

Dagmar:

I worked so hard to add that to my other AMI board and got nowhere, but -now- I can see how they do it.

[21:51:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: the problem with the Green 1TB being on sale is now it's basically the same cost/gig as the 1.5TB... The extra 500GB would be nice, though, so I can't decide.

[21:51:42]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: As much as I love the new shinies, I think I'll be staying one revision back from now on, too much lost data in the last year

[21:51:47]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Oh, wel, time to head home for the holiday... Hopefuly the wife didn't get Friday off, or we'll be heading for the in-law's house on Thursday... DOH!

[21:51:59]

Dagmar:

Are you panning on doing RAID with those?

[21:53:08]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: the sarcasm in my "Green is better" was because often what a marketing droid calls "green" is actually worse on the environment--ref Apple's latest "Green" laptops, made of aluminum instead of plastic, so it's recyclable (but they don't account for the fact that few will rip the guts out of the laptop when it's dead to recycle the case, let alone the /huge/ electricity/carbon cost of producing aluminum

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justinh__:

if I connect the sata port after POST it works

[21:53:38]

Dagmar:

The one point fives will be the better price point a year from now when you want more.

[21:53:41]

justinh__:

so the controller needs a new bios

[21:53:42]

justinh__:

great

[21:54:44]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: http://www.siliconimage.com/docs/BIO-003114-x10_5403.zip

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Dagmar:

Two years and the four Tb units will take oer tho.

[21:54:47]

iamlindoro_:

Should do the job

[21:55:31]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: See here for a discussion re: seagate, but same issue, with confirmation that BIOS fixes things. http://forums.seagate.com/stx/board/message?b . . . sage.id=1448

[21:55:45]

Dagmar:

I'm not sure how that will fare with home users tho

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Dagmar:

sphery: i'd be buying the 1.5tb drives.

[21:59:59]

Dagmar:

...provided you intend to maybe upgrade them to mirrored raid later

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justinh__:

iamlindoro_: cheers!

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iamlindoro_:

justinh__: np

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klpt:

Does anybody have any ideas why I can't seem to increase the font size?

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Dagmar:

You're probably changing the wrong thing.

[22:06:59]

Dagmar:

That and those settings in the frontend basically will have no effect on your main menus, afaik

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sphery:

Dagmar: Yeah, I like the size of the 1.5TB's, but it seems there's a lot of anecdotal evidence to support the theory that a certain manufacturer's latest drivers a /much/ lower quality than they have historically been. Oh, and I'll never do any kind of RAID for Myth.

[22:07:18]

sphery:

s/drivers a/drives are/

[22:07:31]

Dagmar:

sphery: I'm about to start mirroring a set of 500Gb drivese myself on a NAS box

[22:08:11]

klpt:

hmm

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klpt:

Dagmar: any ideas of what to change to fix that?

[22:08:24]

Dagmar:

I'm still on the fence about whether to do that or just span them all and trusst LVM to save my bacon

[22:08:29]

Dagmar:

klpt: The theme.

[22:08:48]

Dagmar:

Most of the themes have font declarations with fixed sizes.

[22:09:32]

gbee:

I'd wait on the 1.5Tb drives, early days, they've pushed pretty hard and fast to get to 1.5Tb and I wouldn't be at all suprised if quality has suffered a little in that race

[22:10:08]

klpt:

that's... unfortunate

[22:10:11]

sphery:

yeah, I'm not worried about saving my TV recordings bacon, but I have had 3 HDD failures since Oct this year, so I'm starting to wonder if it's because I historically have purchased based on $/gig

[22:10:30]

klpt:

Dagmar: I edited the XML files in the theme directory to push up all the default sizes, but that seemed to have no effect

[22:10:47]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, I already have two 1.5TB HDD's. One is on the list of models/firmwares affected by the "lock up all I/O" bug.

[22:10:56]

Dagmar:

Well, keep in mind that they've made another breakthrough on the order of the perpendicular recording technolog that let us have this massive jump to 1Tb, and it'll be to market in another 2 years.

[22:10:57]

sphery:

so I can't decide if one more is a bad thing.

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Dagmar:

klpt: So restart the frontend or change the theme to something else and back.

[22:11:41]

gbee:

klpt: not really, themes are carefully (well the good ones are) calibrated to allow text to fit the space allowed based on a certain font size, you increase that font and suddenly nothing will fit the screen

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Dagmar:

Or both.

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Dagmar:

gbee: I figure if he wants to break his theme, who am I to judge

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justinh__:

crap. mythbackend fell over now

[22:13:07]

justinh__:

what else is gonna go titsup?

[22:13:17]

** gbee resists **

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Dagmar:

The DOW.

[22:13:22]

Dagmar:

No wait,...

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justinh__:

crashed generating a preview :-\

[22:13:29]

justinh__:

which I don't even bloody use

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gbee:

heh

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sphery:

justinh__: even in 0.21-fixes, mythbackend spawns a new process to create previews just in case of a segfault in decoding, so it shouldn't have taken the "real" backend down...

[22:15:08]

justinh__:

since when?

[22:15:18]

justinh__:

last log entry was it generating a preview

[22:15:22]

gbee:

that's a good point

[22:15:59]

gbee:

justinh__: well it will log the fact that it's spawning an instance to generate the preview

[22:16:15]

justinh__:

2008-11–25 22:00:10.216 AFD: Opened codec 0x82db410, id(DVB_SUBTITLE) type(Subtitle)

[22:16:19]

justinh__:

2008-11–25 22:00:12.371 Preview: Grabbed preview '/video/videorec/1000_20081125210000.mpg' 720x576@184s

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gbee:

justinh__: backend instance it spawns logs to the same place, so it could get a little confusing

[22:17:09]

sphery:

justinh__: since http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/15029 (0.21 release was somewhere around [16468]

[22:17:24]

justinh__:

hmmm

[22:17:35]

gbee:

not saying that the segfault wasn't preview generation related, just that it wasn't at the point where we actually generate said preview

[22:17:59]

justinh__:

heh

[22:18:03]

justinh__:

well I'm past caring

[22:18:12]

justinh__:

I need to get myself ready for rescuing the machine

[22:18:19]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, I noticed that--and the fact that even though mythbackend outputs all the useful --version info, now--if you use -l logfile, the version info is output /before/ we've opened/switched to writing to the logfile :)

[22:18:25]

justinh__:

or else I'll be starting from scratch

[22:19:06]

justinh__:

and the way my hatred of PCs is growing, maybe I won't even bother

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I think your prudence/quality argument is losing out to the MOAR GIGS argument... The 1.5TB HDD's have dropped to $139.99 (including free shipping).

[22:19:59]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: To each his own. But I am *not* too good to laugh at you.

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gbee:

sphery: oops?

[22:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

Just bear that in mind.

[22:20:05]

klpt:

changing themes back and forth, I assume that's to force updating the theme cache?

[22:20:52]

klpt:

there's plenty of space for all text. my system is running 1920x1280 at 100dpi, and on a 34" screen all the text is too small to read comfortably from across the room

[22:20:53]

gbee:

font updates are instant, but in 0.21 most themes don't inherit from the base font definitions, they define new fonts for each screen

[22:21:00]

klpt:

ah

[22:21:01]

gbee:

theme cache is just for images

[22:21:04]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, when I'm back talking about how all 3 of my 1.5TB's died within a week of each other (so, like next month), make sure to laugh enough that I learn my lesson

[22:21:13]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: noted

[22:21:31]

iamlindoro_:

I need to find some retarded new feature to add to myth as my weekend project

[22:21:40]

gbee:

klpt: that's changed in 0.22 with all fonts in a theme being derived from ~4 base definitions in base.xml

[22:21:41]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: torrents!

[22:21:50]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: Win!!

[22:21:52]

iamlindoro_:

;)

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klpt:

gbee: that's the file I edited for size, but I'm running 0.21

[22:22:09]

klpt:

and it didn't do anything

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Now you've done it, there's no avoiding someone saying it's a great idea now

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: but they don't get any more retarded than that...

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klpt:

oh god, everything has its own size defined in ui.xml

[22:23:07]

klpt:

there's hundreds of definitions

[22:23:16]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: True. I only mention retarded in light of the implementor

[22:23:42]

justinh:

klpt: MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[22:23:46]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: as in, "Something using sufficiently simple words and phrases that my head does not asplode"

[22:23:49]

gbee:

klpt: yeah, it's a real nightmare, hence why it's being changed in 0.22

[22:24:00]

sphery:

klpt: and the worst part is that you have to /test/ each and every change because--as gbee said--the font was designed to look work with the areas and positions of all the elements defined by that theme

[22:24:29]

iamlindoro_:

Maybe if gbee commits the PBB changes soon I can add resolution logos *poke poke*

[22:24:33]

sphery:

in other words, you're basically doing all the work that the themer did (except when it's done you haven't created anything new :)

[22:24:34]

justinh:

klpt: it's ok though. some themers gave it up a while ago. so no more evils from me

[22:24:50]

gbee:

meh

[22:25:34]

sphery:

klpt: the important question, though, is /which/ text is too small for you to see?

[22:25:44]

sphery:

klpt: some of the text is /not/ controlled by the theme

[22:26:19]

sphery:

klpt: and in some themes, you can change a setting to get a bigger font size (but it's not supported by all themes as most themers don't care to test 3 different versions of their theme)

[22:26:47]

gbee:

many of the -wide themes were purposefully designed for a 40" screen at HD resolutions, some were pretty sloppy though

[22:27:08]

** sphery thinks klpt is concerned about some of the unthemed text--which is /tiny/ on his screen because he has his pitch set to 175DPI or something **

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gbee:

sphery: I always tested with the largest font :)

[22:27:40]

kormoc:

the more dots per inch means the sharper video, right guys? right?!

[22:27:56]

** gbee pats kormoc on the head **

[22:28:04]

sphery:

kormoc: yep, and if you take WWII-era video and put it on a DVD, it's magically, "diamond-sharp" :)

[22:28:06]

** iamlindoro_ pats..... HAHAHAH **

[22:28:11]

justinh:

sphery: I never cared about font sizes. Ever. if it worked for me (tm) it shipped :)

[22:28:26]

sphery:

that's the way to do it.

[22:28:46]

kormoc:

One of the reasons I really love the ipod is when I finish the 'Play this show on a frontend' button

[22:28:47]

** iamlindoro_ prefers the adamantium claws of Blu-ray **

[22:28:48]

justinh:

they were never designed for myopic eejuts :)

[22:29:03]

kormoc:

screw that reading of stuff from across a room or two. it's all in my palm!

[22:29:54]

gbee:

I've got to say, the 'f**k it' approach probably extends your life by a good five years

[22:30:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I think you should make a MythTorrent plugin for inclusion in the main source distribution of mythplugins. It would start up and show/sound like a river rushing at the viewer. When people complain, say, "Uh, did I /ever/ say, /Bit/Torrent?"

[22:30:12]

kormoc:

unless it happened to be electrical

[22:30:44]

kormoc:

a torrent of white noise to relax to

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Possibly including a narrative on how stealing is wrong

[22:31:01]

sphery:

yeah

[22:31:16]

iamlindoro_:

and a phone-home feature that immediately reports them to their mothers

[22:31:34]

justinh:

oh I see. this controller card is too good for the SiL drivers

[22:31:36]

** kormoc calls up other peoples mothers **

[22:31:47]

sphery:

lol, "On the MythTorrent settings page, why does it ask for my mom's e-mail?"

[22:31:50]

gbee:

yeah, there are probably a few scenarios where you don't want to be so cavalier .... aircraft design, nuclear weapons technician, knife act at the circus

[22:32:05]

justinh:

have disk?! I do not have a floppy drive. OH FFS

[22:32:31]

gbee:

who does these days?

[22:32:34]

sphery:

gbee: but for nuc power plants, they run software that /expressly/ says in the license it is not meant for use at nuclear power plants. :)

[22:32:43]

** kormoc laughs **

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** kormoc also worries, but mainly laughs **

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klpt:

it's mostly the main menu text that's too small

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justinh:

sounds like you've not got the right font installed

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gbee:

theme.xml

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sphery:

yep

[22:34:06]

justinh:

or you're just using a crap theme

[22:34:06]

klpt:

hm. how do I check that?

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klpt:

I was using mythcenter-wide

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sphery:

most likely doesn't have MS core web fonts (msttfonts package?)

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iamlindoro_:

I think some may call it msttcorefonts

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** justinh wonders how therapeutic throwing a computer through a double glazed window would be **

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gbee:

actually it's quite likely that mythcenter-wide's font was too small in 0.21, I know it was in the mythui version in trunk, I had to bump it up a whole 5/6pts

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kormoc:

justinh__ I've thought bout opening a business that you just pay to do that

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sphery:

klpt: MythCenter-wide /definitely/ uses the MS core web fonts

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klpt:

i just checked. I do have a microsoft fonts package installed

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klpt:

I'll check to see if I have trebuchet

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justinh:

hmmm. put my duff old machine on a trebuchet. GOOD IDEA!

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sphery:

and you get a list of fonts with: fc-list | grep Trebuchet

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justinh:

peeeeeeeeeeee-ow!

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gbee:

justinh: good for about 10 minutes, then you've got the headache of repairing the window, the screaming wife, the replacement of the computer

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kormoc:

Destroy It Inc

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justinh:

we had sky around again tonight

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justinh:

it's tempting

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abqjp:

gbee, you just need to remember that in USA, we are backwards. We still use 12 hour clocks, and the *English* measurement system!

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klpt:

haha, that sounds like a good idea for a company

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kormoc:

Glass Ware, electronic stuff. Sledge to printer, monitors, etc

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gbee:

justinh: I told the salesman to f'off after they took to cold calling every other day

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justinh:

I have to remember to stagger my system building one day

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justinh:

everything tends to bloody fail around the same time

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kormoc:

blenders for iphones

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Dagmar:

They should really be selling those blenders for data-destruction purposes.

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Dagmar:

...instead of the "wink-wink" approach they've got now about "Our blenders can destroy anyting"

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klpt:

hm. i wonder if there's some other hack I can do to fix the fontsize

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klpt:

I just switched to Pear-ody, and while it looks good, the fonts are still a tad on the small size

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justinh:

wot no 'flash firmware' tab?! ASRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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gbee:

probably a fair number of people still use the 12 hour clock in the UK, I just happen not to ... could blame my time as an RAF cadet but I honestly can't say that's it

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** sphery is not a human (failed another CAPTCHA test) **

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kormoc:

sphery, I really think they should be renamed to GOTCHA tests

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gbee:

I still say 9 o'clock instead of 21-hundred, but I prefer my timestamps and clocks to read 21:00 instead of 9:00 PM

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klpt:

i hate it when I mess up my password for gmail

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klpt:

and then I fail captchas for the next three minutes

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klpt:

until I get lucky

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sphery:

kormoc: I like that name better

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klpt:

i like recaptcha

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klpt:

i never fail those

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klpt:

and i feel a sense of purpose when I do them

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sphery:

are those the ones that are using people to identify contents of images for search engines, etc.

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sphery:

or books...

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kormoc:

aye

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klpt:

recaptchas are the ones that have scanned words that OCR couldn't pick up

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klpt:

and so it's helping to digitize really old stuff

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justinh:

ahh sod this. it's going in the bin!

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klpt:

that's interesting

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klpt:

I went from 100x100 dpi to 150x150 dpi, and the font size didn't change at all

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Dagmar:

That's because it's fixed at 100 because so many people couldn't properly calibrate their stuff.

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Dagmar:

Change the font specified in the theme.

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Dagmar:

Change it's _name_ to something else.

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Dagmar:

If you don't see a change, then you will know you're doing something wrong.

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klpt:

good idea

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klpt:

i like that

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klpt:

where should I change the name? in the XML file or somewhere else?

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sphery:

xml file

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gbee:

Comic Sans MS, if you have it installed, since so many fonts are pretty hard to tell apart but you can always tell Comic

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klpt:

lol

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klpt:

i'll do that, but somebody will shoot me if I leave that one the way it is

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** iamlindoro_ feels bad for the poor Comic Sans creator **

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gbee:

hey I like Comic, it's just massively over exposed

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klpt:

i like comic for, well, comics

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gbee:

I remember a time when 9/10 websites used Comic

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Dagmar:

I remember a time when 9/10 business meeting notes used Comic.

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, that's now.

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opello:

heh

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klpt:

yeah, it is

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opello:

1997 wasn't that long ago :p

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gbee:

the other 10% wanted to use Comic, but typo'd it

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opello:

Cosmic Sans

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klpt:

LOL

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mcquaid:

i run myth on ubuntu, since i upgraded to 8.10 it looks like myth has swapped fields on me. I even set live tv to 320 x 240 and I still get interlacing, which i shouldn't get with half frame resolution

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mcquaid:

i don't know if it's a myth issue or something related to bttv/v4l

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mcquaid:

my tvtuner is a zoltrix tv genie based on the bt 878 chipset

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mcquaid:

it has been fine in all previous versions

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Dagmar:

*sigh8

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Dagmar:

It's a framegrabber.

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judazz:

mcquaid: check you deinterlacer

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Dagmar:

You're going to get interlaced recordings no matter what resolution you pick.

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mcquaid:

and i know it's not a playback issue because old recordings prior to the upgrade playback fine

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judazz:

hm okay

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mcquaid:

if you resize a full frame grab to half frame no you shouldn't get interlacing artifacts

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Dagmar:

You have to *make* it deinterlace them as a post-processing (or if you're mad, while recording) step

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Dagmar:

mcquaid: what makes you think that

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mcquaid:

that's usually a tell tale sign of wrong field order

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kormoc:

mcquaid, erm, the frame you're resizing is first rendered with the interlacing artifacts and then resized, no?

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mcquaid:

well i use to capture shows on the windows side, and back then my card's driver had a bug where i had to flip field order or even progressive material looked interlaced

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mcquaid:

so i've seen this problem before, and wanted to know is there any way to specify field order

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Dagmar:

That was your windows software.

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kormoc:

mcquaid, read up on your driver. Myth won't have a way to do that

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mcquaid:

yes and now i suspect v4l or something is doing the same thing, cause i've seen this before

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klpt:

do I change the font in ui.xml?

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klpt:

or in the other xml file?

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klpt:

because it's defined in about 10,000 places in ui.xml

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gbee:

theme.xml, for the menus

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klpt:

I could regex it

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Dagmar:

So get to editing

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klpt:

great.

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klpt:

:p

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mcquaid:

i didn't think myth was the cause but thought it might have a field swap option

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kormoc:

or just edit the font file it's pointing to

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gbee:

ui.xml concerns all the other frontend screens, but the main menus are theme.xml

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kormoc:

mcquaid, that's driver land. We attempt to say out of that as much as we can.

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mcquaid:

afaik v4l is pretty limited in options that you can pass to it

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kormoc:

well, there's also the v4l2 interface

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Dagmar:

You could always eliminate the problem by getting rid of the framegrabber

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kormoc:

they may have swapped over to that without you knowing

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mcquaid:

a lot of windows software used to have a field swap option. i'm not boasting of windows or anything just saying it's a common option with a lot of video capture software

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kormoc:

you could always go back to the previous version if that one works and this one doesn't

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mcquaid:

ya i could, but what a pain

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gbee:

mcquaid: most MythTV uses are using something other than old framegrabbers, e.g. digital

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mcquaid:

well digital is only good here for ota

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gbee:

mcquaid: in those cases we suggest hardware encoders such as the Hauppauge PVR-150

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kormoc:

mcquaid, why? pvr cards are 'digital' and standard, you're thinking HD

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Dagmar:

He's not talking about ATSC "digital"

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Dagmar:

We're talking about cards that do the tuning *and* encoding in one step so they just emit an MPEG stream.

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mcquaid:

ah

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gbee:

makes no sense to implement a facility that's not going to be used by the majority and in most countries analogue capture and frame grabbers are a dying breed

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mcquaid:

ya i guess i should upgrade, but i was holding off till i figure out how to deal with HD

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kormoc:

yet alone, it's a bloody driver option

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Dagmar:

Mainly the answer there is the Hauppauge HD-PVR.

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mcquaid:

don't want another analog capture card

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kormoc:

mcquaid, hdpvr?

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Dagmar:

...which takes a component input and emits a video stream in h264

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mcquaid:

ya, but again, wasn't really looking into that yet, just trying to get back my previous functionality

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mcquaid:

i guess no one deals with framegrabbers anymore and most don't realize when a bug creeps in

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kormoc:

mcquaid, and given it's a driver thing, we really can't help, you should seek help with the driver specific resources

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kormoc:

and your statement that we should just add it cause windows software does ignores the fact that if the driver doesn't allow you to change it, how would it allow us to?

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mcquaid:

i hear ya, was just hoping there was a field swap option buried in the settings somewhere...

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mcquaid:

not an expert on this but you don't need to tell the driver, you flip fields in software

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kormoc:

we just pull frames from the driver, we have no control on what frames we get when

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kormoc:

or how that frame was put together

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mcquaid:

yes, but it could still be flipped after it's been pulled from the driver no?

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mcquaid:

for example, i use to use this program way back when called avi_io on windows, one of the only capture programs that never had sync issues

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mcquaid:

anyway he added an option 'swap fields' cause so many drivers for framegrabbers were buggy

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kormoc:

you could always look into the existing video processing utils (mencoder/ffmpeg/etc) to see if they can do that for you

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mcquaid:

that's an option, now if i find a way with ffmpeg can i pass that argument in myth? doesn't myth use ffmpeg under the hood?

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directhex:

mcquaid, no

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kormoc:

mcquaid, no. but you can setup a userjob to do it

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directhex:

mcquaid, it uses a local snapshot of libavcodec though

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kormoc:

they all use libavcodec, but that doesn't mean they're all the same or can do the same

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mcquaid:

gotcha

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mcquaid:

ok well i guess i'll look at the driver level first and see if it switched to v4l2 or something in the upgrade

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mcquaid:

never had to muck with the driver cause it always worked in linux

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: The patch for #5759 is coming along nicely. Wonder if YL will will concede that I may not be so "not right-thinking" once it's posted...

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iamlindoro_:

double negatives make my head hurt

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, he'll just think he was right and he's so smart and that you agree with him 100%

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iamlindoro_:

BTW, how hard would that patch have been to do himself if he had just done what he wanted?

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iamlindoro_:

*not*

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iamlindoro_:

But noooooooo, just posts a bug and figures someone will do the search and replace for him

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