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| [00:00:19] | dustybin: | Dagmar: this ? http://www.merlinsilk.com/2007/08/10/the-man- . . . azy-to-fail/ |
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| [00:13:32] | hadees: | i'm using trunk, is anyone else having problems with mythvideo not finding videos? i feel like i have to search a couple times and some times quit mythtv in order to get them to show up and I have it setup so that is shouldn't even need for me to scan for them, its supposed to just show everything that is in the dir |
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| [00:20:51] | Chicago: | Hello |
| [00:20:52] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Yeah they're talking about that story there. |
| [00:20:55] | Dagmar: | It holds true. |
| [00:21:24] | Dagmar: | Good sysadmins are lazy, but it's a careful kind of lazy. They work real hard to avoid having to do hard work later when something fails unexpectedly and you've a bunch of pissed off customers on the phone. |
| [00:21:47] | Dagmar: | They work hard up front so they can spend the majority of time being lazy because everything's already done |
| [00:23:06] | Dagmar: | Help desk is about hte only part of hte IT field I know of where that doesn't quite work, but that's because just about all their work is up front, dealing with idiots who would never read a thing you wrote to keep them from having to call you in the first place. |
| [00:26:09] | clever: | but if you make the system too stable, they might not need you anymore |
| [00:26:34] | clever: | leave in a small problem that needs monthly maintaince:P |
| [00:26:39] | Dagmar: | So then they've got the ideal job. |
| [00:27:44] | Dagmar: | Money, and nothing much pressing to do except keep an eye on the system. |
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| [00:28:22] | Dagmar: | If you don't like the place, at that point you send out your resume to go find something better or more intersting. |
| [00:28:39] | clever: | or get a 2nd sysadmin job and keep both:P |
| [00:28:44] | Dagmar: | If you do like the place, then you generally spend that free time thinking up things to do to make your life and the life of the users easier. |
| [00:28:52] | clever: | once your done its just maintaince and thats easy to do on many things at once |
| [00:29:14] | clever: | aslong as they dont come up with major changes to do |
| [00:29:19] | Dagmar: | Yeah there's a lot of places that management doesn't "get that" tho. |
| [00:29:33] | Chicago: | If more sysadmins had MythTV, they would probably be playing with it all day. |
| [00:29:59] | Dagmar: | They see coders mostly idling and so they load them up with more things to do until the _occasional_ things the coders need to do to keep things running all happen at once and it becomes a massive problem and management has no idea exactly how things caught fire and burned down. |
| [00:30:09] | clever: | pretty much every program i share with others is running in a beta state |
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| [00:33:16] | iamlindoro: | Ah, there we go. Yay. |
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| [00:39:01] | dustybin: | i bought one of those new apple keyboards for my laptop, they feel great :) |
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| [00:40:53] | roz: | My Samsung 750 can play back .ts files in HD, according to the manual, via DLNA. Using mythtv's DLNA server it is not working. Does mythtv do any modification to the TS Stream coming from the HD Tuner card? |
| [00:41:58] | directhex: | no, but nobody really implements upnp correctly, and some clients may choke on partilular phrasing of the metadata xml |
| [00:42:21] | directhex: | actually, does myth save as ts these days? doesn't it save as ps? i forget |
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| [00:42:38] | roz: | so are you saying try a different DLNA server? |
| [00:44:17] | roz: | directhex: they're all .mpg in my version |
| [00:45:28] | directhex: | just for testing, try a different server |
| [00:46:00] | roz: | i was going to try gmediaserver |
| [00:46:10] | roz: | but there's no package in gentoo portage |
| [00:46:18] | roz: | got any other reccomendations |
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| [00:47:06] | Chicago: | What does MythTV use for RTP and RTSP streaming? |
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| [00:50:58] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, I'm sorry guys, stupid xchat. (but mostly me) |
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| [00:52:20] | maggie: | Hi... I am just going through mythtv code |
| [00:53:20] | maggie: | can anyone tell me where exactly the myth talks to the TV tuner cards? |
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| [00:53:34] | maggie: | i mean the modules |
| [00:54:07] | bomama: | maggie: why dont you tell us what you're trying to accomplish |
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| [00:55:17] | maggie: | I was just interested in mythtv |
| [00:55:26] | maggie: | and started goign thru it |
| [00:55:52] | maggie: | am new to thr programming world ... just curious to know how it works |
| [00:56:07] | directhex: | myth is gargantuan leviathan of a beast |
| [00:56:21] | directhex: | the code may or may not contain pieces of cthulu's soul. i suggest not looking at those |
| [00:56:48] | clever: | yeah |
| [00:56:52] | roz: | directhex: I am installing gupnp |
| [00:57:08] | bomama: | maggie: rgrep ioctl |
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| [00:57:37] | bomama: | maggie: that will provide plenty of examples |
| [00:57:55] | maggie: | bomama: Thanks |
| [00:58:01] | maggie: | :) |
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| [01:07:17] | jpabq: | Gigabyte's nVidia 9400 board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128363 |
| [01:08:38] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Am typing from the new Asus 9300 board, but no luck so far with any VC1. Haven't tried their sample yet so it may actually be an issue with the EVO container |
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| [01:10:08] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Still, it's a nice little board so far, no complaints to speak of. When I've got a few bucks to spare I'll probably put it in a nicer, smaller case. |
| [01:10:31] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, Compiling myth in the background while watching 1080p Blu-ray rip is nice :) |
| [01:10:32] | jpabq: | I have one of the original Antec Fusion cases. |
| [01:10:51] | jpabq: | 24p? Nudge, nudge.... |
| [01:11:37] | iamlindoro: | haha, maybe I'll try to look at it this weekend-- only have the capability on the downstairs machine and it takes a lot to get me down there to warm up the projector, etc. |
| [01:12:11] | jpabq: | I have just read a LOT, that 24p is one of the reasons blu-ray looks better ---- silky smoothness. |
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| [01:13:48] | jpabq: | It is annoying that I have had such a hard time getting dvdfab/anydvd to work under a VM well. It works, but damn it is SLOW. |
| [01:14:04] | iamlindoro: | Grr, VC1 not even working with the sample. |
| [01:17:44] | jpabq: | iamlindoro, have you noticed any of the visual artifacts in the VDPAU that Mark Kendall reported? |
| [01:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Ah well, it can wait, Have the oomph to do the VC1 in software and everything else is accelerated properly |
| [01:18:35] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, I haven't but my testing has been by no means extensive-- Notice the lack of vsync, but renderingwise it seems more or less analogous to Xv |
| [01:19:45] | jpabq: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/358321#358321 |
| [01:20:51] | iamlindoro: | I believe he is mistaken re: vertical sync, I do not believe that is working properly yet |
| [01:21:03] | iamlindoro: | I see some tearing (although not terrible) |
| [01:22:34] | Dagmar: | It's not working. |
| [01:23:15] | jpabq: | I wonder when nVidia (Asus, Gigabyte, etc) will have fixes out for CAS4 memory and "Advance Path" ? |
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| [01:44:20] | Blaidd: | I have a two questions about mythcommflag. I have a master and a secondary backend. Only the master backend has tuners, and it will always be the only one that does. I run some pretty cpu intsensiive user jobs, so the secondary backend is there to help balance that load and right now is configured to preform commercial flagginng. I have mythcommflag set to start the flagging when a recording starts. On the masterback |
| [01:44:20] | Blaidd: | end the commercial flagging stops right after the show is finished recording and it flags the commercials properly. The secondary backend finishes the commercial flagging before the show is done recording and does flag any commercials. Why is this happening and is there anything I can do about it? |
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| [03:00:51] | clever: | this is weird, a 18mb .mpg with ~40 seconds of video |
| [03:01:04] | clever: | yet the info in the recording list claims its from 11:58 pm to 1am |
| [03:01:25] | clever: | (1hour with 2mins of prerecord just like the rule said) |
| [03:02:11] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i thought my PS3 was going bad |
| [03:02:16] | wagnerrp: | couldnt get a game to play |
| [03:02:22] | wagnerrp: | it kept crashing on load |
| [03:02:31] | wagnerrp: | i finally took the disk out, and it was slimed up |
| [03:02:44] | wagnerrp: | new rule: no cooking within 30 minutes of game play |
| [03:03:07] | clever: | you cooked the disk? |
| [03:03:25] | wagnerrp: | no, my sister had messy hands, and slimed the disk when swapping in another game |
| [03:04:52] | clever: | slimed? |
| [03:05:02] | clever: | slime? or slim? |
| [03:05:16] | wagnerrp: | it had icing on it or something |
| [03:05:22] | clever: | ahhh |
| [03:05:27] | clever: | lick it clean! |
| [03:06:47] | iamlindoro__: | You better hope it's icing |
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| [03:07:30] | wagnerrp: | well whatever it was, its on my shirt now |
| [03:07:36] | iamlindoro__: | I had a friend in college who worked at the adult video store, she told me about how the juniormost employee had the responsibility of toweling the icky fingerprints off of rental DVDs |
| [03:07:58] | wagnerrp: | well thats a pleasant thought |
| [03:08:09] | clever: | did he also get free rentals? |
| [03:08:16] | iamlindoro__: | She, and yes. |
| [03:08:44] | clever: | she's arent usualy into free pron rentals |
| [03:09:00] | iamlindoro__: | Well that's a sheltered viewpoint |
| [03:09:44] | jpabq: | :( |
| [03:10:14] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, ? |
| [03:10:33] | jpabq: | When I made my Newegg order, it said "UPS Guaranteed 3 day". The invoice now shows "UPS Ground". UPS ground *always* takes 4 days from California to New Mexico. |
| [03:10:57] | jpabq: | That is the difference between receiving it next week, and the week after. |
| [03:11:28] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq, what equipment? |
| [03:11:45] | jpabq: | That gigabyte board. |
| [03:11:49] | iamlindoro__: | ahh |
| [03:12:26] | iamlindoro__: | Well, I figure I won't really start playing with VDPAU until the next revision of the patch gets shared aboute, you've got a few days probably |
| [03:13:13] | clever: | the vdpau did reduce the cpu usage some but i didnt see a total drop to 2% or anything |
| [03:13:20] | jpabq: | Gigabyte is still showing rev F1 bios. Gigabyte's F1 bios revs almost always still have several bugs in them. |
| [03:13:39] | clever: | and the libGL.so it stuck in murdered mythbackend on non sse systems(even though it doesnt even use gui) |
| [03:13:40] | iamlindoro__: | clever, 2% of my processor is a HELL of a lot more than 2% on yours |
| [03:13:52] | clever: | iamlindoro__: i tested on the core2duo 1.8ghz |
| [03:13:59] | iamlindoro__: | clever, So? |
| [03:14:10] | iamlindoro__: | I tested on a Q9560 Quad at 3.6. |
| [03:14:12] | clever: | thats a hell of alot faster then every other system:P |
| [03:14:15] | iamlindoro__: | 1–3% max. |
| [03:14:19] | clever: | ah |
| [03:14:21] | iamlindoro__: | every other system of *yours* |
| [03:14:27] | clever: | 3.6 would be alot more |
| [03:14:28] | wagnerrp: | well 2% of his processor is far more than 2% of mine (amazingly), and i got 1–3% max with the vdpau decoders |
| [03:14:31] | clever: | quad makes it double |
| [03:14:52] | wagnerrp: | although the x264 decoder may have been displaying complete garbage on screen |
| [03:15:12] | wagnerrp: | s/x264/h264/ |
| [03:15:24] | jpabq: | My sister called me because her computer won't turn on. When she presses the power button, the case fans spin for a second, and then the whole thing just turns back off. I was hoping it was the power supply, and sent her a new one. Didn't solve the problem though :( |
| [03:16:19] | jpabq: | I am actually somewhat impressed that she was able to swap out the PSU on her own.... |
| [03:16:43] | iamlindoro__: | Yeah, good for her, I dunno if my sister would have fared so well |
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| [03:17:35] | jpabq: | I keep hoping she can find a computer hardware savvy friend to further diagnose the problem. At this point, though, it pretty much has to be the motherboard. |
| [03:17:55] | Dagmar: | Yay for things I need to unbind. |
| [03:17:57] | jpabq: | .... which is almost exactly 1 year old. |
| [03:18:01] | Dagmar: | When a PC is doing that either hte board is broken, or it's calling foul on something |
| [03:18:17] | Dagmar: | Statistically speaking, check the CPU fan connector |
| [03:18:19] | iamlindoro__: | I have had that happen when I blew out my old Pentium D |
| [03:18:39] | jpabq: | I had her pull the video card and memory, and the behavior did not change. Might be the CPU, but no way to test that theory. |
| [03:19:01] | Dagmar: | Nah, for those the machine would be d-e-a-d, or give off shrill beeps to let you know it's dead |
| [03:19:04] | jpabq: | Can the CPU fan connector cause it not to boot? |
| [03:19:38] | Dagmar: | The CPU fan connector not being connected (or being loose, or the fan being broken) can make most boards refuse to do anything other than shut down immediately as a safety measure |
| [03:19:39] | clever: | dont see how |
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| [03:19:57] | clever: | ahh that one |
| [03:20:11] | jpabq: | I don't see that as being possible. A lot of people run fan-less cpu coolers. |
| [03:20:29] | clever: | though some of my older systems have the cpu fan on the hdd power connector so the motherboard wont detect it missing |
| [03:21:12] | Dagmar: | Yeah but newer boards, particularly boards that expect a juice-hungry CPU is going to be installed, will exhibit a different behaviour because those CPUs will die within minutes if the fan isn't going |
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| [03:22:22] | clever: | my c600 laptop overheated recently |
| [03:22:37] | clever: | the mouse/keyb where oddly laggy and droping keys |
| [03:22:43] | clever: | but the cpu fan was going(on high) so i didnt htink it was overheating |
| [03:22:53] | clever: | but then it just cut out like before |
| [03:23:56] | wagnerrp: | thats what happens when you have a 10yr old laptop, it slowly collects dust |
| [03:24:48] | clever: | but my newer d600 handles overheats better |
| [03:25:13] | clever: | it just drops itself to 600mhz |
| [03:25:42] | clever: | the only major problem is that it does so without warning, so i spent several hours trying to get it moving faster:P |
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| [03:28:36] | wagnerrp: | in heroes, did they say there were three of the hulk/freeze woman? |
| [03:30:41] | trevor: | hi all, i am getting an error when i try to watch tv (error in contole "entryToProgram(1000Fri Nov 21 21:25:04 2?08) faild to get pginfo") tv not sucessfully started I need help with this it looks like I have current guide data I do have a storage diretory set and permissions set on it, (this was workin fine this afternoon before i installed pyNeighborhood) |
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| [03:41:13] | Chaorain: | I am a linux newb and I would like to know how do I get a free tv guide for Myth TV |
| [03:41:21] | iamlindoro__: | Chaorain, You don't. In the US, we pay $20 a year for our listings. |
| [03:41:35] | Chaorain: | no way at all? |
| [03:41:52] | iamlindoro__: | Nope. |
| [03:41:55] | Chaorain: | orb for Windows has it for free |
| [03:42:01] | iamlindoro__: | So use orb for windows. |
| [03:47:10] | Dagmar: | At most local grocery stores there's usually a little free newspaper with TV listings in it. |
| [03:47:38] | Chaorain: | I wanted it for the automatic recordings |
| [03:47:44] | iamlindoro__: | Myth wants nothing to do with projects that scrape their data illegally from web sites. We get our data through legal methods, that's just the way this project works. Someone tried to create some alternate scraper for Myth and failed miserably (and it would never have been supported anyway) so your only option is doing this the right way. |
| [03:48:25] | iamlindoro__: | If you want Myth's convenience, then $20 a year shouldn't be too much to pay. Especially as you're getting all the software for free. |
| [03:49:41] | clever: | iamlindoro__: what about an OCR program that scrapes it from those little free newspapers ?:P |
| [03:50:14] | iamlindoro__: | clever, What about santa claus and the tooth fairy, since we're on the topic of things that don't exist and clever being an ass? |
| [03:50:33] | clever: | you could make such an ocr program, but it wouldnt be easy |
| [03:50:54] | iamlindoro__: | So do it. IT doesn't exist and presumably he wanted an answer from within the bounds of reality. Jackass. |
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| [03:53:04] | NightMonkey: | Chaorain: It appears that Orb gets $$ from lots of partnerships: http://www.orb.com/partners_content . They work with cell phone companies, ISPs, media services, etc. That's why it is "free" (as in Free Beer). http://schedulesdirect.org/ is a non-profit, and provide listing services for F/OSS projects. |
| [03:56:07] | Dagmar: | Beer doesn't sign you up for a crapton of mailing lists |
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| [03:59:38] | clever: | Dagmar: but the stupidity you get from the free beer may let you give away your SIN number to a few guys:P |
| [03:59:53] | Dagmar: | *kof* girls |
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| [04:00:37] | clever: | yeah thats more likely |
| [04:01:05] | Chaorain: | Can I input recording scheduals to repeate manualy? |
| [04:01:13] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [04:01:19] | Chaorain: | ok thanks |
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| [04:01:46] | whoever: | when trying to watch live tv i get faild to get pginfo , i have current guide data so i can't figureout the error |
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| [04:11:29] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not very worthwhile with only manual recordings |
| [04:20:06] | ** iamlindoro__ wonders what is wrong with people that can assemble hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of hardware but can't bring themselves to pay $20 a year for listings for a program they got for *free* ** | |
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| [04:21:24] | clever: | the only money i spent on mythtv was for the ir blaster and schedules direct :P |
| [04:21:39] | wagnerrp: | and it shows |
| [04:22:07] | wagnerrp: | although im sure you have far more invested in mythtv than most people |
| [04:22:13] | wagnerrp: | unless you consider your time worthless |
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| [04:24:20] | iamlindoro__: | His time *is* worthless. |
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| [04:46:27] | Blaidd: | I have a two questions about mythcommflag. I have a master and a secondary backend. Only the master backend has tuners, and it will always be the only one that does. I run some pretty cpu intsensiive user jobs, so the secondary backend is there to help balance that load and right now is configured to preform commercial flagginng. I have mythcommflag set to start the flagging when a recording starts. On the masterback |
| [04:46:27] | Blaidd: | end the commercial flagging stops right after the show is finished recording and it flags the commercials properly. The secondary backend finishes the commercial flagging before the show is done recording and does flag any commercials. Why is this happening and is there anything I can do about it? |
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| [04:55:36] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: with current SVN mplayer, do you just need the player now, or would i still need to check out all that other stuff in the wiki? |
| [04:58:12] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, Have you read the wiki page lately? |
| [04:58:29] | iamlindoro__: | "Mplayer and FFmpeg now include support for the MLP/TrueHD and E-AC3 audio codecs in SVN, and require no patching for this material." |
| [04:59:48] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro__: yes, but I was just making sure because the rest of the stuff is still present below that. I'm still having trouble with it, but I'm determined to get it working tonight |
| [05:00:09] | iamlindoro__: | Works here (although I no longer use mplayer for that material) |
| [05:00:36] | EnderTheThird: | Yeah, wish I knew why Myth's internal can't handle it for me. What's your CPU over there? |
| [05:01:24] | iamlindoro__: | Q6600, Q9650, T5850 |
| [05:02:13] | EnderTheThird: | Mine's a C2D 6320 @ 1.86 GHz. I'd think that would still have enough juice though. |
| [05:02:52] | iamlindoro__: | No, that won't be adequate. |
| [05:03:42] | EnderTheThird: | Oh. Bummer. |
| [05:05:17] | EnderTheThird: | This one is a 6600 @ 2.4GHz. That should do.... I hope? |
| [05:05:46] | iamlindoro__: | My Q6600 is fine for Blu-ray. |
| [05:05:59] | EnderTheThird: | This is a dual core. You're talking quad, right? |
| [05:06:52] | iamlindoro__: | Yes, although in general a quad will not help you any more than a dual will |
| [05:07:33] | EnderTheThird: | Hmmmm, maybe I'll just need to re-encode the suckers for my 6320. |
| [05:09:20] | iamlindoro__: | Or just buy a few decent $30 nVidia cards and sit tight until .22. |
| [05:09:33] | iamlindoro__: | 9xxx series, preferably. |
| [05:09:59] | EnderTheThird: | I have 9xxx series on both. Had trouble getting xv to work previously. Guess now's a good time to remedy that, heh. |
| [05:10:48] | iamlindoro__: | Then just wait for VDPAU to mature and all your systems will be fine. |
| [05:11:25] | grndslm: | anybody know why my keyboard doesn't work in mythfrontend?? it works everywhere else |
| [05:11:36] | grndslm: | just started happening 5 min ago |
| [05:12:12] | EnderTheThird: | grndslm: mine does that every now and then, when the FE just stops taking input commands for a minute or 2. I have yet to nail down the cause |
| [05:13:03] | grndslm: | EnderTheThird: yea, now that the recording has ended... it's working again |
| [05:13:11] | grndslm: | that's the first time i've ever seen that happen |
| [05:13:56] | EnderTheThird: | grndslm: yeah, it gets annoying as all get out. if you ever figure that one out, let me know. it's not just while recording (at least for me) |
| [05:13:58] | clever: | grndslm: sounds exactly like my problem |
| [05:14:00] | clever: | check the logs |
| [05:14:07] | clever: | the video should have timed out |
| [05:14:45] | clever: | if the recording takes too long to give up, thread A will abort playback, but on ocasion it will continue to play(while ignoring all input) |
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| [05:15:41] | clever: | it doesnt abort properly |
| [05:16:35] | clever: | its within the tv_play.cpp beast |
| [05:16:53] | clever: | bool TV::StartPlayer(bool isWatchingRecording, int maxWait) |
| [05:17:29] | clever: | it will wait up to 20 seconds for the decoder thread to init, then start the OSD and return true |
| [05:17:50] | clever: | but if its not up within 20 seconds, it spews a warning and makes no attempt to stop it |
| [05:18:11] | clever: | under certain race conditions it will start playing anyways and not listen to ANY input |
| [05:18:14] | EnderTheThird: | got a general idea of what you're talking about, but i'm no programmer. is there a fix/workaround by chance? |
| [05:18:38] | grndslm: | http://pastebin.ca/1264120 |
| [05:18:40] | clever: | i hacked mine to 'give up' after 60 seconds |
| [05:18:47] | grndslm: | there's the log for anybody who can figure it out |
| [05:19:06] | clever: | - maxWait = (maxWait <= 0) ? 20000 : maxWait; |
| [05:19:06] | clever: | + maxWait = (maxWait <= 0) ? 60000 : maxWait; |
| [05:20:14] | clever: | grndslm: does it mention StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after %1 msec ? |
| [05:20:16] | EnderTheThird: | not sure where that file is. locate isn't turning up anything. |
| [05:20:31] | clever: | EnderTheThird: its within libs/libmythtv/tv_play.cpp |
| [05:20:33] | clever: | in the source |
| [05:20:46] | clever: | you would have to then recompile the whole program |
| [05:21:37] | grndslm: | clever: not in mythfrontend.log |
| [05:22:10] | EnderTheThird: | clever: ooooh. i think i'll pass for now then :) |
| [05:22:23] | clever: | grndslm: the error would happen when the playback begins |
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| [05:22:31] | clever: | so it would be 30–60mins ago in the log |
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| [05:23:29] | EnderTheThird: | hmmmm, playback of BRD *SOURCE* files (not rips, iamlindoro. aren't you proud?) is jerky at times but system-monitor isn't showing much. i'm at like 50% |
| [05:24:12] | clever: | EnderTheThird: if your a dual core, then 50% is 1 fully maxed core |
| [05:24:38] | EnderTheThird: | oh. well that's downright misleading haha. guess she's maxed out then. |
| [05:24:48] | grndslm: | clever: no mention of StartPlayer() anywhere |
| [05:25:14] | clever: | might be a diff problem, or you have -v important off |
| [05:25:46] | EnderTheThird: | clever: but it does go above 50% at times... |
| [05:26:06] | clever: | EnderTheThird: that could allways be Xorg using the other core to do its half of the rendering |
| [05:27:31] | EnderTheThird: | clever: xv should be able to handle a good chuck of that with a GeForce card, right? I have an 8500 (not a 9xxx series like I thought. Oops). |
| [05:27:55] | clever: | even with Xv theres still a little usage to the server |
| [05:28:06] | clever: | alot less then x11 or ximage but still some |
| [05:29:06] | EnderTheThird: | either way, without maxing my cpu |
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| [05:32:25] | grndslm: | k... so from looking further back in the log, it seems my problem has to do with switching from 1.5x plaback to 1x playback when i was watching liveTV temporarily.... and then switching back to watching regular recordings at 1.5x |
| [05:32:39] | grndslm: | more relevant log: http://pastebin.ca/1264125 |
| [05:33:41] | grndslm: | this has been the first time i've looked at liveTV in months, and the recording after that brought on the keyboard issue |
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| [05:45:25] | SpaceBass: | anyone using mythexport ? |
| [05:49:20] | EnderTheThird: | Not I. |
| [05:50:21] | EnderTheThird: | clever: still around? |
| [05:50:42] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:50:50] | EnderTheThird: | that was.... weird |
| [05:51:08] | clever: | answering in 7 seconds? |
| [05:51:30] | EnderTheThird: | no, me failing at highlighting, heh |
| [05:51:42] | clever: | oo that one |
| [05:51:54] | clever: | yeah the script ignores any line with 'arround' in it |
| [05:52:04] | clever: | it doesnt tell me very much about your problem |
| [05:52:13] | EnderTheThird: | ha, makes sense |
| [05:52:24] | clever: | i usualy get idiots asking if im arround, and by the time i do get back, they are gone:P |
| [05:52:34] | EnderTheThird: | damned idiots :) |
| [05:52:43] | clever: | so instead of leaving them an answer, i have to tell them, just explain the damn problem allready |
| [05:52:55] | clever: | which delays the whole process by several more hours |
| [05:53:21] | EnderTheThird: | hours indeed. |
| [05:53:39] | EnderTheThird: | and speaking of morons named Ender wasting time.... |
| [05:54:20] | EnderTheThird: | i'm having trouble telling if mplayer is even using my video card with xv to decode videos. i'm not seeing anything about it failing in mplayer, but it still seems to use an awful lot of the CPU if it's using the card as well |
| [05:54:33] | EnderTheThird: | *seeing anything in CLI about it failing, that is |
| [05:54:43] | clever: | xv isnt used to decode, its only used to display |
| [05:55:01] | EnderTheThird: | oh, so would xv not even help me? |
| [05:55:50] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro mentioned an nvidia card should allow me to view these BRD sources, of which i have one but i'm not sure it's being used well |
| [05:56:23] | iamlindoro__: | EnderTheThird, Don't misquote me, I said to get a decent Nvidia card and sit tight for .22 which may have VDPAU support. |
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| [05:56:31] | clever: | that would require the beta driver and the vdpau mode, not xv |
| [05:57:00] | iamlindoro__: | iamlindoro__> Or just buy a few decent $30 nVidia cards and sit tight until .22. |
| [05:57:04] | iamlindoro__: | iamlindoro__> Then just wait for VDPAU to mature and all your systems will be fine. |
| [05:58:07] | EnderTheThird: | iamlindoro: my bad. |
| [05:58:20] | EnderTheThird: | i'm a moron |
| [05:58:21] | EnderTheThird: | :) |
| [05:59:14] | EnderTheThird: | guess i am SOL for a while then. |
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| [06:23:55] | wagnerrp: | ooof... seems theres some bug related to ZFS, samba, and large directories |
| [06:24:36] | wagnerrp: | i end up with missing and duplicate files |
| [06:25:07] | iamlindoro__: | Don't worry, for every file you lose, it makes a second copy of another one. |
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| [06:32:10] | EnderTheThird: | This conversation almost reminds me of "The Prestige". |
| [06:33:05] | jackson__: | While watching LiveTV, then opening the Program Guide, can we disable the livetv video window? (I'm currently using the Bluetoob osd theme) |
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| [06:41:21] | jblack: | jackson__: Yeah, it's an option in the menu. |
| [06:41:35] | jblack: | At least if you're talking about the preview window. |
| [06:43:06] | jackson__: | jblack, for the life of me, I'm not finding it. I know were to turn off the preview window for mythrecordings, but not the little live tv window in the program guide (when it's called while watching livetv) |
| [06:43:59] | jblack: | It's in the mythfrontend setup. Honest. |
| [06:44:25] | jackson__: | is it theme dependant? |
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| [06:44:36] | jblack: | I don't believe so |
| [06:47:26] | jblack: | tv settings -> playback -> page 4/9 |
| [06:47:35] | jblack: | generate preview image, and display live preview. |
| [06:49:31] | jackson__: | the 'display live preview of recordings' deals with the little video preview window when in Recordings, and not the Program Guide. |
| [06:50:18] | jblack: | Ok. You win. |
| [06:50:20] | jackson__: | The other one you mentioned, 'generate preview image' deals with generating a preview image from a bookmark for a recording. |
| [06:50:36] | jblack: | I don't have them in my guide, so I know it's possible. |
| [06:50:46] | wagnerrp: | awesome! local 68-yr old woman arrested for bank robbery |
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| [06:51:13] | jackson__: | for what it's worth, I already had the display live preview of recordings unchecked :) |
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| [06:55:28] | pat__: | wagnerrp: was it your wife? |
| [06:56:13] | jackson__: | jblack, what theme are you using? |
| [06:57:13] | jblack: | I don't remember |
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| [07:09:33] | Foxamemnon: | Hello. I'm using HandBrake to convert a DVD to H.264, but Myth's internal player is playing it back much too slowly. Watching time pass on the OSD, I can see that 1sec != 1 real second of time. Checking logs shows Myth reporting buffer underruns. I've tried lots of different H264 settings and container types without success. Any ideas on what I can do or is Myth's H264 support still lacking? |
| [07:10:32] | Foxamemnon: | FYI the DVD in question is Casablanca. 4:3 aspect, 25fps. |
| [07:11:35] | Foxamemnon: | I've also tried using HandBrake to convert it to xvid in an AVI container. It has the *opposite* problem. It plays too fast and Myth emits many audio buffer overflow messages. |
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| [07:25:18] | dkam: | Hey guys – how do I disable bob deinterlace? I get messages about not supporting double frame rate. |
| [07:27:06] | wagnerrp: | Foxamemnon: what is your CPU? |
| [07:27:42] | wagnerrp: | and what container were you encoding to? |
| [07:27:44] | dkam: | Strangely, it only happens with live tv. If I record and watch, it's fine. |
| [07:28:22] | Foxamemnon: | wagnerrp: It's an Athlon64 X2 5200. top shows that mythfrontend isn't anywhere close to maxing the CPU. For the H264 codec, I've tried both MP4 and AVI containers and both behaved the same. |
| [07:29:02] | wagnerrp: | dkam: you have to edit the playback profiles |
| [07:29:22] | wagnerrp: | settings, tv settings, playback, 3rd page |
| [07:29:41] | dkam: | Right |
| [07:29:47] | wagnerrp: | when you hit 'edit' on one of the presets, its the second page |
| [07:30:24] | wagnerrp: | Foxamemnon: well i was wondering if you had the CPU to decode x264... but you obviously do |
| [07:30:42] | wagnerrp: | i was also wondering if you were using mkv, which ive heard has some issues with the internal player, which you were not |
| [07:30:54] | wagnerrp: | however... Casablanca is 25fps? |
| [07:32:44] | Foxamemnon: | wagnerrp: According to the source info displayed by HandBrake, it says 25fps. It's shown correct values for others DVDs, so I assume it's correct here. Casablanca is old. It's 4:3... maybe when they made the DVD they kept the original framerate? |
| [07:33:17] | wagnerrp: | even in 'old times', movies still usually used 23.976 fps |
| [07:33:26] | wagnerrp: | unless youre European |
| [07:33:42] | wagnerrp: | the PAL version may be sped up for compatibility with PAL sets |
| [07:34:14] | dkam: | wagnerrp: thanks for that. Live TV works much more smoothly now. |
| [07:34:53] | wagnerrp: | anyway, try it in some other player, mplayer, vlc, xine |
| [07:34:58] | wagnerrp: | make sure the file is good |
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| [07:35:17] | Foxamemnon: | wagnerrp: Oh, hmmmm... the DVD was borrowed from a friend and already returned. I honestly didn't check to see if it was PAL. Using "file" from the command line doesn't show anything useful. VLC's media info says it's 12.5fps which is very odd. It's clearly faster/smoother than that onscreen, however. |
| [07:35:31] | Foxamemnon: | wagnerrp: Yes, it plays fine in VLC. |
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| [07:39:42] | Foxamemnon: | wagnerrp: Perhaps Casablanca wasn't the best test. :) I'm currently encoding one of my own DVDs. This one is 16:9 at 23.976fps. Otherwise, same container/H264 settings. I'll see how it behaves. |
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| [11:26:44] | waxhead: | hi everyone |
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| [11:56:30] | andrew[andrboot]: | Hi; i have a WinFast DTV2000H Ver J , mythtv backend is picking up the card as a Analog V4L Capture card.. but i can't find any channels with it.. yet on another analog card i can.. is anyone able to helph me? |
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| [11:59:56] | justinh: | andrew[andrboot]: mythtv does not 'pick up' or otherwise automagically detect any tuner card. you have to _specifically_ configure the tuner card type in mythtv-setup |
| [12:00:34] | andrew[andrboot]: | @ justinh i mean in the mythtv-setup it doesn't automaticaly see the card in the DVB options... it can't open card.. yet it thinks it is an analog card. |
| [12:00:35] | justinh: | the dtv2000h card is a dvb-t tuner, I believe so you must set mythtv-setup to use that type of card (DVB) |
| [12:00:50] | justinh: | ah. saying what you mean is always best :P |
| [12:01:05] | andrew[andrboot]: | np :) |
| [12:01:08] | andrew[andrboot]: | my bad heh |
| [12:01:30] | justinh: | so that likely means the card isn't configured properly linux-wise |
| [12:01:47] | justinh: | I'm not sure it's even supported yet |
| [12:01:58] | andrew[andrboot]: | heh. its being picked up correctly :D been out for a while to. |
| [12:02:25] | justinh: | ugh. it's a hybrid card |
| [12:02:59] | justinh: | well you need to load the cx88-dvb kernel module |
| [12:03:11] | justinh: | see http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Leadtek |
| [12:04:19] | justinh: | and if you want to use both analogue & digital parts of the card you'll have to add two separate tuner entries in mythtv-setup and configure them as one input group. I can't help you any further than that with respect to configuring both in mythtv-setup |
| [12:04:25] | andrew[andrboot]: | kk |
| [12:04:31] | andrew[andrboot]: | and if i just want the digi part of it it? |
| [12:04:42] | justinh: | just add it as a DVB type of tuner |
| [12:05:10] | justinh: | with the cx88-dvb module loaded as per the stipulations on that wiki page it should be fine |
| [12:05:14] | justinh: | in theory |
| [12:07:45] | andrew[andrboot]: | WOW |
| [12:07:46] | andrew[andrboot]: | well |
| [12:07:51] | andrew[andrboot]: | mythtvb just pciked it up as a diff card |
| [12:07:52] | andrew[andrboot]: | holy crap |
| [12:08:04] | justinh: | quit mythtv-setup |
| [12:08:11] | andrew[andrboot]: | and its working :p |
| [12:08:12] | andrew[andrboot]: | rofl. |
| [12:08:16] | andrew[andrboot]: | i guess i jumped the gun to early |
| [12:08:16] | andrew[andrboot]: | heh |
| [12:08:22] | justinh: | I guess you did |
| [12:08:22] | andrew[andrboot]: | just finihsing up the scan now |
| [12:08:42] | justinh: | well, at least you're not totally devoid of clue ;) |
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| [12:11:47] | andrew[andrboot]: | HEH |
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| [12:39:29] | andrew[andrboot]: | justinh, would there be any reason why mythfrontend is jumping to 93% cpu usage as soon as i press Live tv.. ? |
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| [12:58:55] | leebier: | quick question, I am going to do an upgrade today (forced into a cable box, so might as well also upgrade Mythdora 4 to mythdora 5, but that's rather immaterial). What is the best way to save/restore my database? I see there's a new (official) script, but I am pretty sure I only need the history tables (I'm losing my recordings, I believe), right? |
| [13:01:47] | lyricnz: | Just dump the whole db, why not? |
| [13:01:57] | lyricnz: | Aren't you keeping your recordings? |
| [13:02:06] | leebier: | well, the drive is likely gonna get wiped in the proces |
| [13:03:13] | leebier: | and i don't have somewhere conveinent to offload 192GB |
| [13:05:40] | justinh: | andrew[andrboot]: yeah – you don't have Xv helping out with video playback |
| [13:07:11] | andrew[andrboot]: | mhmm. justinh is that an update to my nvidia driver? |
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| [13:10:25] | justinh: | andrew[andrboot]: so you're using the binary nvidia driver already? |
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| [13:10:43] | andrew[andrboot]: | i just updated the binarey |
| [13:10:43] | justinh: | andrew[andrboot]: if so, what are the system specs? |
| [13:11:25] | andrew[andrboot]: | its an old amd Athalon 2500+ with an 6800XT Nvidia card |
| [13:11:39] | justinh: | that should cope with SDTV mpeg2 no problem |
| [13:12:02] | andrew[andrboot]: | eh going to upgrade packages then reboot the box.. im running mythtubuntu 8.10 on int. |
| [13:12:11] | andrew[andrboot]: | * on it.. getting lazy these days :| |
| [13:12:23] | justinh: | try running mythfrontend with -v playback & looking in the log it spews out |
| [13:13:04] | andrew[andrboot]: | k. will do |
| [13:13:09] | ** andrew[andrboot] waits for updates ** | |
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| [13:17:04] | justinh: | you can't get anybody banned for defaming your character. take it up with ops in #freenode not here |
| [13:17:44] | justinh: | or you could just be an adult about it & ignore the user |
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| [14:20:43] | msaul: | Is there a way to set video scan to progressive in the mythbuntu setup screen? I went to Settings -> TV -> Playback area to adjust other settings, but didn't see an area for video scan to set to progressive. I am using mythbuntu 8.10 |
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| [14:43:08] | justinh: | msaul: myth won't attempt to deinterlace progressive material – or rather it shouldn't |
| [14:45:28] | SpaceBass: | anyone using mythexport ? |
| [14:46:48] | justinh: | just ask a question about mythexport |
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| [14:48:34] | SpaceBass: | I'm trying to setup two jobs, one to convert to AppleTV (high res) and one for iPod (lower res) and having problems with both |
| [14:48:56] | SpaceBass: | in terms of the appleTV job, I cannot get the settings right, the resolution is fine, but its very blocky |
| [14:49:19] | SpaceBass: | the ipod job errors our and I think thats due to directory structure, but not entirely sure |
| [14:49:35] | SpaceBass: | the ATV job: mythexport exportdir=/local/media/Myth/videos starttime=%STARTTIME% chanid=%CHANID% size=1280x720 aspect=16:9 audio_bitrate=192kb video_bitrate=5000kb export_device=none export_codec=mpeg4 |
| [14:50:43] | SpaceBass: | that job errors out as follows: 2008-11–22 09:50:27.078 JobQueue: Finished "Convert to Boxee" for "30 Rock" recorded from channel 1121 at Thu Nov 20 21:31:00 2008. |
| [14:52:26] | SpaceBass: | the ipod job finally seems to be working: mythexport exportdir=/local/media/Myth/videos podcast_name=ipod starttime=%STARTTIME% chanid=%CHANID% size=320x240 aspect=4:3 audio_bitrate=192kb video_bitrate=600kb export_device=ipod export_codec=mpeg4 |
| [14:52:51] | SpaceBass: | but it puts the video in /local/media/Myth/videos and thus in both the AppleTV AND iPod RSS feeds |
| [14:53:31] | msaul: | I just in the settings, set to "slim" for quality, and it seems to have solved the problem. The menu items didn't look proper, but they do now... |
| [14:53:33] | msaul: | Thanks |
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| [15:15:55] | justinh: | SpaceBass: 600kb bitrate isn't much compared to the appletv bitrate |
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| [15:16:00] | justinh: | oops |
| [15:16:20] | justinh: | the appletv bitrate is very low (600kb) |
| [15:16:34] | justinh: | for single pass encoding that'll look horrible |
| [15:16:48] | justinh: | oh wait not at that res |
| [15:18:05] | SpaceBass: | justinh, using 5,000kbs for the ATV |
| [15:18:14] | justinh: | duh sorry |
| [15:18:17] | justinh: | start again |
| [15:18:34] | justinh: | the ipod bitrate seemed low but then I realised you'd cut the res to 320x240 |
| [15:19:00] | justinh: | why would you need to convert anything for boxee anyway? |
| [15:19:36] | justinh: | oh FFS the inlaws have decided they want a freeview pvr with dvd player |
| [15:19:59] | justinh: | because they're too retarded to switch the TV to the right input |
| [15:20:51] | SpaceBass: | justinh,the conversion to boxee is more about naming than anything esle |
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| [15:21:51] | justinh: | SpaceBass: why not just use mythrename.pl --link $symlinkdir ? |
| [15:21:55] | SpaceBass: | boxee has won me over as a frontend .... and I can have it look at the myth recording directory, but it cannot parse the names for the metadata |
| [15:22:19] | SpaceBass: | justinh, I had avoided mythrename due to the learning curve...but think you are right, its time to delve in |
| [15:22:26] | justinh: | what learning curve?! |
| [15:22:47] | justinh: | make a dir you'll share to boxee, run mythrename.pl --link $dir |
| [15:22:59] | SpaceBass: | I'm painfully new to myth in general ... everything has a learning curve to me :) |
| [15:23:10] | SpaceBass: | can you automate that job? |
| [15:24:09] | justinh: | yup |
| [15:24:20] | justinh: | any number of ways |
| [15:24:30] | SpaceBass: | I'll do some research |
| [15:24:35] | justinh: | make it a user job which always gets run by default on every recording, or put it in a cron |
| [15:25:10] | SpaceBass: | assuming that boxee can play the default myth nuv files |
| [15:25:27] | justinh: | I can't honestly believe people are so offended by mythtv's ui that they have to use inferior methods of accessing recordings |
| [15:25:36] | SpaceBass: | myth frontend isn't for me |
| [15:25:51] | SpaceBass: | it has something to do with the UI, but more to do with how I get my content |
| [15:26:02] | justinh: | enough said |
| [15:26:22] | SpaceBass: | :) |
| [15:27:02] | SpaceBass: | the stuff I record from myth represents about 5% of what we watch.... |
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| [15:27:49] | justinh: | on that basis I could probably find myself agreeing with you to some extent, but not knowing what's coming ;) |
| [15:28:13] | justinh: | er.. not when I know what's coming ;) |
| [15:28:40] | jduggan: | myth seems like alot of effort for just 5% of what you watch |
| [15:30:56] | SpaceBass: | jduggan, surprisingly its not... I already had a nice linux server doing the heavy lifting for "aquiring" my media and storing it on a nice raid5 array |
| [15:31:08] | SpaceBass: | I bought a $150 HDhomerun and the rest has been just fun to play with |
| [15:32:02] | justinh: | I set up my myth backend about 5 years ago.. just so I could use it to play 2nd fiddle to my VHS. Hahahahahahahaha |
| [15:32:26] | justinh: | where is that VHS machine now I wonder? Hrm |
| [15:34:28] | SpaceBass: | so the more I play with myth, particularly the backend, the more I am recording myself rather than "acquiring" ... and its growing on me |
| [15:35:13] | SpaceBass: | but consider than 90% of our content is still "acquired" elsewhere, boxee makes better sense as a frontend...and given its roots with XBMC, I'm hopeful they will fix the myth code and it will be a viable frontend for livetv too |
| [15:35:19] | SpaceBass: | there's the long version :) |
| [15:36:31] | justinh: | I'm hopeful mythtv's UI will improve in ways boxee can only dream of, so there! |
| [15:36:37] | justinh: | and if I have anything to do with it... |
| [15:37:01] | jduggan: | wots boxee |
| [15:37:23] | justinh: | jduggan: boxee is a 'social' version of XBMC |
| [15:37:33] | jduggan: | SpaceBass: by `acquire` do you mean tv episodes via heavy rain? ;) |
| [15:37:37] | jduggan: | justinh: ic |
| [15:37:50] | ** jduggan googles ** | |
| [15:38:13] | justinh: | 'social' meaning sharing completely pointless information with other users |
| [15:38:18] | SpaceBass: | justinh, that would be great too ... the challenge for me was that mythvideo does not do as seemless of a job scanning my file structure and acquiring meta data and presenting it in a way that was to my favor |
| [15:38:54] | justinh: | SpaceBass: well, the UI libs you know now were mostly written a very long time ago.. That is changing fast |
| [15:39:09] | justinh: | not only in terms of how it looks |
| [15:39:13] | SpaceBass: | jduggan, heavy rain ?? :D |
| [15:39:57] | SpaceBass: | the social aspect of boxee is kinda lame...the benifit to me is how it scours for files and metadata |
| [15:40:27] | iamlindoro__: | That portion of it is stolen from XBMC-- which does a nice job but is extremely naughty in how it does so |
| [15:40:46] | justinh: | it's not quite so cool how they flagrantly ignore sites' T&Cs by scraping them unceremoniously though |
| [15:40:48] | SpaceBass: | see, I could not get XBMC to do the same thing witout renaming all of my files |
| [15:41:14] | iamlindoro__: | No need to rename your files in XBMC, but that's neither here nor there |
| [15:41:58] | iamlindoro__: | as justinh says, this is a project that prides itself on staying very on the up-and-up... those other projects don't care who they steal from |
| [15:43:35] | SpaceBass: | yeah, no comment there ... I'm not sure what their agreement is (or is not) with sites like hulu ... frankly thats not something I use much either |
| [15:44:16] | justinh: | anyway from what I've seen the new xbmc isn't anything of an improvement on the old xbox-only version |
| [15:44:29] | justinh: | if anything it seems more clunky, spending too much time with nothing onscreen |
| [15:44:38] | iamlindoro__: | It's hardly just hulu, it's all the plot information, "fan art," posters, screenshots, etc. |
| [15:45:14] | SpaceBass: | but for us, the combo of liveTV from myth, some files from iTunes (yeah, DRM and all) and some from "other sources" has been the perfect replacement for cable |
| [15:45:25] | SpaceBass: | it passes the spousal acceptance factor with flying colors :) |
| [15:45:43] | SpaceBass: | and now that I'm getting more comfortable with myth, I'm recording more myself that we would otherwise acquire |
| [15:45:45] | iamlindoro__: | Not surprising that a program that overlooks piracy would be a hit among the pirating crowd |
| [15:45:48] | iamlindoro__: | whodathunk |
| [15:46:14] | SpaceBass: | I have no moral qualms about pirating shows that I can record for free with an antenna ... for stuff from premium networks, I but it from itunes |
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| [15:46:59] | SpaceBass: | maybe thats questionable, but I dont see the difference between downloading 30-rock and recording then flagging commercials |
| [15:48:03] | iamlindoro__: | Not even going to get into it this morning. But if you go on talking about your piracy, you *will* end up kicked and banned, so I suggest cutting it out. |
| [15:48:12] | SpaceBass: | done |
| [15:49:13] | justinh: | boxee can play DRM'd itunes files? Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Apple will not be happy |
| [15:49:26] | justinh: | bad move of a commercial enterprise to make, that |
| [15:50:28] | SpaceBass: | justinh, I want to be cognizant of not getting off topic, but its just an application, like VLC or mplayer... not sure apple has the right to care wether or not it supports DRM, particularly since apple does not licence the DRM to anyone but audible |
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| [15:50:43] | justinh: | I'm assuming they haven't got Apple's blessing yet on account of the fact they're just some startup. I wonder how long it'll be before the 'free' stuff becomes bogged down with nags to buy stuff anyway |
| [15:50:44] | iamlindoro__: | I too wonder about the "social networking" part of Boxee-- I find it a little hard to beleive that many people out there want to share what they're watching/listening to, unless you can mark whole classes of things as "unshareable." (But perhaps you can, eg porn) |
| [15:51:07] | justinh: | call me cynical... COS I AM ! |
| [15:51:10] | SpaceBass: | i truly don't use the social part ... it doesnt have much purpose at this point... I have to think its just a bolt on to support the twitterholics out there |
| [15:51:26] | SpaceBass: | since when does an OSX app need apple's blessing? |
| [15:51:32] | SpaceBass: | does Mythfrontend have apple's blessing? |
| [15:51:51] | justinh: | SpaceBass: it's more the playing DRM without apple's blessing part |
| [15:51:55] | iamlindoro__: | I wouldn't mind a phone-home of my recording habits if it meant the networks stopped cancelling all the good shows, the Nielsen ratings are soooo outdated, who watches in real time any more? |
| [15:52:10] | iamlindoro__: | Now all my shows are chosen for me by septuagenarians who can't figure out a tivo |
| [15:52:17] | justinh: | lol |
| [15:52:19] | SpaceBass: | justinh, they do not decode apple DRM at all |
| [15:52:24] | SpaceBass: | there is no DRM support in boxee |
| [15:52:31] | justinh: | SpaceBass: good for them, then |
| [15:53:03] | SpaceBass: | I'm not trying to sound like the boxee crusader or defender ... recognize that I brought it up..just saying it is what works for us.... that said, I am enjoying reading about mythrename and think that will help us a lot |
| [15:53:31] | iamlindoro__: | It would be wise (neat, even) if the networks started looking at Boxee/Myth/Tivo viewing as another metric for watching shows. I'm gonna miss Pushing Daising, damn it. |
| [15:53:43] | iamlindoro__: | Daisies |
| [15:53:45] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro_thats a very good point, when you want to support a show and there is no way to do so, its fustrating |
| [15:54:11] | SpaceBass: | I guess you can argue that watching hulu via boxee does give feedback to universal, for example |
| [15:54:22] | SpaceBass: | but when I record something with Myth, I guess no one knows |
| [15:54:25] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: I thought pishing daisies was a UK thing |
| [15:54:33] | iamlindoro__: | Hell, CSI won't freaking go away, and it's *terrible* |
| [15:54:42] | iamlindoro__: | That show keeps *multiplying* |
| [15:54:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: like Star Trek :) |
| [15:54:53] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro_ LOL! so true |
| [15:54:59] | SpaceBass: | who watches CSI? honestly? |
| [15:55:04] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, heh |
| [15:55:21] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, You guys get hooked on our decent television, which we promptly cancel |
| [15:55:22] | justinh: | who watches 'Strictly Come Dancing' FFS? Oh |
| [15:55:49] | SpaceBass: | so far I've found everything about mythrename except for the script |
| [15:56:07] | iamlindoro__: | It's in contrib in the source-- many packages put it somewhere in /usr/share/mythtv |
| [15:56:13] | justinh: | ahh back in the day there was no need of these new-fangled 'peeveerrr' thingies. there was only ever one thing worth watching on at any one time |
| [15:56:34] | iamlindoro__: | Peevee Arrrrrrrrrr? Sounds like PIRACY! |
| [15:56:35] | justinh: | and only three channels to choose from |
| [15:56:44] | justinh: | telly is much, much worse now |
| [15:57:07] | justinh: | still, at least I got the chance to vote for Timmy Mallet to be made to eat bugs :D |
| [15:57:09] | SpaceBass: | not in my /usr/share/mythtv |
| [15:57:41] | iamlindoro__: | SpaceBass, you can do a find / -name mythrename.pl |
| [15:57:44] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: track down 'Charlie Brooker's Screenwipe' – his take on TV culture will chime with you |
| [15:58:12] | justinh: | he is as funny & as sharp as the proverbial $whatever |
| [15:58:36] | iamlindoro__: | I will check it out, may make a good use for MythTube |
| [15:58:56] | justinh: | how's that coming along btw? not seen any mention of it for ages |
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| [15:59:35] | iamlindoro__: | Alvaro added Miro's Guide search to it, that part actually works really really well |
| [15:59:45] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro_ tried that too ... think its not part of the package I have |
| [16:00:02] | justinh: | I wouldn't mind adding a flickr-ish thing |
| [16:00:08] | justinh: | that & all the other stuff |
| [16:00:08] | iamlindoro__: | So you can pull up the guide, search for "porno" and get all the porno podcasts or whatever, and then tick off the boxes for the ones you want to subscribe to |
| [16:00:39] | gbee: | justinh: explain that to someone who has never really looked at flickr? |
| [16:00:45] | iamlindoro__: | The podcasts themselves are a little hit or miss and have a tendency to disappear, but the guide itself is sound-- last time I did any work on it a few weeks ago, youtube search was broken |
| [16:02:06] | iamlindoro__: | My work on it has been limited to bugfixes, UI, and making the podcasts work properly-- I'll leave the YouTube stuff to him, doesn't really interest me |
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| [16:04:48] | SpaceBass: | apt says that mythrename is part of libmyth-perl ... which is installed...but its clearly not there |
| [16:06:53] | iamlindoro__: | SpaceBass, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ythrename.pl |
| [16:07:03] | SpaceBass: | thanks! |
| [16:07:08] | iamlindoro__: | scroll to the bottom, click the Download in Original Format" |
| [16:07:20] | iamlindoro__: | chmod it +x and you should be fine |
| [16:07:21] | iamlindoro__: | yw |
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| [16:08:15] | iamlindoro__: | IIRC I run it as ./mythrename --link --format '%T – %S' |
| [16:08:23] | justinh: | gbee: flickr album browsing / slideshow |
| [16:08:26] | iamlindoro__: | which gives me "Title – Subtitle" |
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| [16:08:55] | gbee: | justinh: ahh |
| [16:09:13] | SpaceBass: | iamlindoro_thanks, that is a huge help |
| [16:09:33] | justinh: | it could just pull down images in the background.. no real need for local caching AFAIK |
| [16:09:35] | iamlindoro__: | oh and --link takes a dir argument |
| [16:09:42] | iamlindoro__: | where you want the links to go |
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| [16:11:09] | ** SpaceBass smacks his head ... ** | |
| [16:11:13] | SpaceBass: | this was gloriously simple |
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| [16:11:58] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [16:12:05] | iamlindoro__: | And you still have all your shiny quality |
| [16:12:18] | SpaceBass: | I do like my shiny quality |
| [16:12:52] | SpaceBass: | is calling the job as a cron every 10 mins or so the best approach ? |
| [16:13:14] | iamlindoro__: | You can do that or just set it as a user job and have it run after every recording |
| [16:13:28] | SpaceBass: | that would work too ... |
| [16:13:32] | SpaceBass: | and the --live flag ? |
| [16:14:02] | iamlindoro__: | Just has it work on in-progress recordings |
| [16:14:12] | iamlindoro__: | If you *must* have then renamed while they're recording you can use it |
| [16:15:02] | SpaceBass: | that may be a perfect stop-gap for me.... |
| [16:15:05] | iamlindoro__: | justinh, This Charlie Brooker is pretty funny-- watching the "on US TV" episode right now |
| [16:15:14] | SpaceBass: | wow, this is great, thanks again for the help |
| [16:15:22] | iamlindoro__: | no prob |
| [16:17:27] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: he's spot on most of the time. very ascerbic too. I like that in a critic |
| [16:18:30] | iamlindoro__: | When in the world did YouTube decide to go on 16:9 on me? |
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| [16:22:42] | fuxxy: | I'm beginning to wonder if this hdhomerun was really good investment. |
| [16:24:23] | SpaceBass: | now, if only mythrename could add the season and episode numbers :) |
| [16:24:28] | SpaceBass: | fuxxy, I'm very happy with mine |
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| [16:25:11] | fuxxy: | I mean, It recieves channels, and about the same channels as I get on normal analog cable TV, but most the channels that hdhomrun_config gets in it's scan are not found in mythtv's scan. The tuners are also unreliable, occaisionally while channel surfing perfectly good channels, TV playback screen dumps me back to the frontend. |
| [16:25:59] | SpaceBass: | hummm the channel thing is curious |
| [16:26:06] | SpaceBass: | I only have antenna here, so what I see is what I get |
| [16:26:13] | SpaceBass: | any chance there are network issues? |
| [16:26:45] | fuxxy: | SpaceBass, shouldn't be. I use DHCP to assign IP's on a 100 mbit switch. |
| [16:27:31] | fuxxy: | I've considered putting another ethernet card in my backend and connecting the hdhomerun via crossover cable. |
| [16:29:08] | fuxxy: | SpaceBass, when tunng the channels you normally get, does it normally take a considerable time (about 5–10 seconds) to tune and display the next channel? |
| [16:29:45] | SpaceBass: | no, it does not |
| [16:29:48] | SpaceBass: | near instant in fact |
| [16:29:58] | SpaceBass: | wonder if thats a function of clear QAM vs antenna though |
| [16:30:09] | fuxxy: | dunno. |
| [16:30:18] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, The HDHomerun's own scanner includes encrypted channels (which neither it nor myth can actually tune), whereas Myth's ignores them. |
| [16:31:23] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro_, I grepped out the encrypted channels, and there still seem to be considerablly more. |
| [16:31:53] | iamlindoro__: | Also audio only channels and VOD channels which wink in and out of existence. Likely the difference. |
| [16:32:07] | iamlindoro__: | Your issue is not a network problem, nor is it any faultiness in Myth. |
| [16:32:52] | iamlindoro__: | Tuning Qam stinks compared to what you get with a cable box, just a fact of life. Most anything that's not network TV is encrypted. Anything you get beyond that is a blessing. |
| [16:33:59] | fuxxy: | What about the delay in channel changing? What about the lack of channel ID information – AKA no guide data and channel display as UNKNOWN? What about LiveTV dumping back to frontend? I belive I had more than one issue. |
| [16:34:31] | iamlindoro__: | Delays in channel changing are to be expected, as are no guide data for the channels. |
| [16:34:43] | iamlindoro__: | You need to manually assign XMLTVids to QAM channels in most cases. |
| [16:35:11] | iamlindoro__: | And you've been around long enough to know that you should be checking logs for your last problem. |
| [16:36:06] | iamlindoro__: | Anyway, your problems are your lack of understanding, not the hardware or software's fault. |
| [16:37:44] | ** SpaceBass just learned something ^^^ ** | |
| [16:38:03] | gbee: | should stop looking at the -user list archives, keep seeing threads I want to reply to |
| [16:38:40] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, knowledge and experience is harshly punished on the users list |
| [16:38:47] | gbee: | like the Freesat eit guy who hasn't realised that only one of those channels he has mentioned is part of the freesat group |
| [16:39:31] | gbee: | and it's been on freesat for less than a week, so I'm unsuprised that there is no EIT yet |
| [16:40:08] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro_, the point of buying the hdhomerun was to have a few extra tuners that were higher quality than the current pvr150. I would expect myth to understand that I could recieve the same channel on both the digital and analog tuners. Is there some sort of logic to tune the best channel available? or will I just have to have two channels in guide, etc with the same stream? |
| [16:40:09] | iamlindoro__: | Perhaps he's a dunce and meant Freeview? |
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| [16:41:17] | gbee: | nah, since those channels are available on DVB-S but they haven't paid freesat dues to get EPG listings etc |
| [16:41:42] | gbee: | they are mostly exclusive to sky, but FTA |
| [16:42:03] | iamlindoro__: | fuxxy, if you expected the HDHomeRun to be a direct upgrade from an analog tuner, you will be disappointed. You will get different channels (albeit, yes, in better quality). You can set the digital tuner to higher priority if you wish it to be preferred for recording a given title. |
| [16:42:11] | gbee: | Sky supplies guide data in a proprietary stream |
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| [16:42:18] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, ah, I see |
| [16:42:33] | SpaceBass: | i get a hankering to look into free satelite stuff about once a year |
| [16:42:38] | SpaceBass: | then realize it seems very hard |
| [16:42:48] | iamlindoro__: | Not hard so much as mostly useless in the USA |
| [16:43:02] | iamlindoro__: | unless you like dozens of religious channels at your fingertips |
| [16:43:02] | SpaceBass: | yeah? |
| [16:43:15] | SpaceBass: | is that? I would do it for something like BBC ... |
| [16:43:17] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro_, I didn't expect it to be a direct upgrade, just a higher quality stream for matching channels already available on analog. |
| [16:43:21] | iamlindoro__: | Everything unencrypted is religious/shopping/etc. |
| [16:43:27] | SpaceBass: | but no need to get Jerry Fallwell reruns – I grew up in Lynchburg, that was bad enough |
| [16:43:38] | iamlindoro__: | SpaceBass, No BBC via sat in this country-- UK FreeSat is broadcast in a narrow cone over the isles |
| [16:43:46] | fuxxy: | I didn't even expect to get all the channels in QAM that I currently get on analog. |
| [16:43:51] | SpaceBass: | I still have two DTV dishes setup .. and all the multiswitches, etc... |
| [16:43:59] | janneg: | gbee: I think there is open source code to decode sky's epg |
| [16:44:42] | SpaceBass: | iPlayer doesnt work here either ... bummer |
| [16:45:16] | gbee: | janneg: interesting, though I'm not sure it's worth having the FTA channels which haven't signed up to Freesat aren't worth having and XMLTV data is always going to be better quality anyway |
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| [16:45:45] | gbee: | well ... you know what I meant |
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| [16:46:33] | SpaceBass: | hahaha! http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/United-States.html |
| [16:46:37] | SpaceBass: | c-span |
| [16:48:22] | iamlindoro__: | "Smile of a Child TV" |
| [16:48:28] | iamlindoro__: | Sounds borderline illegal |
| [16:48:41] | SpaceBass: | lol |
| [16:49:02] | SpaceBass: | its almost tempting ... I'd spend $100 on gear for CNN international ...but it only has coverage over europe |
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| [16:50:07] | GlemSom: | I've tried to load my program guide over EIT – and I've notived that a newline is sometimes missing in the description. Is there any other tool I can use for testing EIT? Så I can check if it's the data that is broken from my provider – og MythTV that parses it wrongly... ? |
| [16:50:30] | janneg: | gbee: I was wrong, the sky-plugin for vdr is just an input plugin for hardware mpeg2 encoder card |
| [16:50:57] | gbee: | ahh |
| [16:51:40] | iamlindoro__: | The trailer patch was fun, I think I'll look for a little similar project for this weekend |
| [16:51:47] | gbee: | GlemSom: dvbsnoop |
| [16:52:02] | GlemSom: | gbee, Thanks.. I'll have a look at that |
| [16:52:30] | gbee: | dvbsnoop -nph 0x11 |
| [16:53:02] | janneg: | there is something for Sky Italia though |
| [16:53:03] | gbee: | dumps EIT events, might be something nicer for the job, dvbsnoop is really a debugging tool |
| [16:53:17] | SpaceBass: | speaking of projects – time to go rake |
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| [16:53:46] | janneg: | GlemSom: I think the updating of the information in the database fails sometimes |
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| [16:55:25] | GlemSom: | janneg, Well, I know it's not the frontend showing it wrong – since I looked inside the MySQL database... And the data in there is also missing newlines (Not always though... I think it has something to do with what type of program it is... I'm not sure though...) |
| [16:56:34] | janneg: | GlemSom: we are stripping non-printable chars from the description |
| [16:57:26] | gbee: | heh, one guy on the mailing list is under the impression that subtitles are shown automatically if you add a SRT file ... |
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| [16:58:04] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, and there's a fair likelihood he's using mplayer anyway |
| [16:58:27] | GlemSom: | janneg, hmm, interesting.. Exactly where is that done? |
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| [16:59:37] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, TMDB grabber working pretty well for me over the past week or so. The random perl errors aren't a good thing, but it's largely usable |
| [17:00:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro_ same, minus random errors |
| [17:00:37] | gbee: | which I've fixed as I see them |
| [17:00:58] | iamlindoro__: | I've tried to stay current with it, they seem to pop up, disappear, and then pop up again |
| [17:01:32] | iamlindoro__: | But it's certainly got promise |
| [17:01:55] | gbee: | sooner it's in trunk, and even made the default, the sooner that people will be driven to add the missing data |
| [17:02:49] | iamlindoro__: | The deluge will come with .22 of course |
| [17:02:58] | gbee: | had to add two films so far and three posters, although many more posters are missing, I just couldn't find the required high res versions |
| [17:03:32] | iamlindoro__: | Wonder if anyone has written a bulk-submitter for it that we could steal and make use the Myth DB |
| [17:04:01] | gbee: | doing a bad block check on this new drive was a bad idea, it's going to take all night :( |
| [17:06:33] | gbee: | I'm going to suggest to TMDB that they add a submission API alongside the search/retrieval API they have now |
| [17:06:56] | iamlindoro__: | Oh, I had figured such a thing was already in place-- yeah, that's sorely needed |
| [17:07:44] | gbee: | seem very responsive to suggestions with changes being made in hours or days |
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| [18:04:54] | Axios: | Hi |
| [18:05:06] | Axios: | So Im trying to install mythtv backend |
| [18:05:27] | Axios: | Im using this guide http://www.parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php |
| [18:05:37] | Axios: | I think I did something stupid |
| [18:05:56] | Axios: | I supplied a password for the root account |
| [18:06:05] | Axios: | can I undo that in any way? |
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| [18:07:32] | justinh: | 18:05 < Axios> I think I did something stupid – yup – you used a very out of date howto guide |
| [18:07:42] | Axios: | ok |
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| [18:08:41] | sphery: | kormoc: Was your question about whether "a file is in the path in perl" related to #4954 ? |
| [18:08:56] | Axios: | justinh: got a better one for me? |
| [18:09:25] | gbee: | heh, for a moment I thought that was one of the ones I used when installing 0.17 |
| [18:09:49] | sphery: | Axios: why not just mythbuntu? |
| [18:09:57] | justinh: | Axios: the ubuntu community documentation of course :) |
| [18:10:25] | Axios: | sphery: I want to use the pc as a desktop also |
| [18:10:31] | kormoc: | sphery, not quite, for the ipod export, I'm using mplayer, ffmpeg, qt-faststart, and mv in it, and it would be nice to verify they're all there first |
| [18:10:33] | Axios: | justinh: link? |
| [18:10:46] | SpaceBass: | odd – when I run mythrename as a cronjob it just dumps the files into the same directory, when I run from the commandline it creates a directory for each file |
| [18:10:50] | justinh: | www.google.com you lazy arse |
| [18:10:50] | SpaceBass: | same exact syntax |
| [18:11:09] | Axios: | well can any one answer on the root password thing |
| [18:11:37] | gbee: | kormoc: what's the mplayer bit for? |
| [18:11:41] | kormoc: | sphery, right now I'm doing, if (system('which ffmpeg') != 0) |
| [18:11:45] | sphery: | kormoc: Oh. Can't help with that. In the backup/restore scripts, I just try to run the command and check for a failed status code. |
| [18:12:11] | kormoc: | gbee, Identification of resolution and aspect ratio |
| [18:12:42] | sphery: | yeah, that's not ideal since not everyone has which (and some use a script to act as which instead of a real which, so their scripts may not give proper status), but I can't think of a better way... :( |
| [18:12:43] | gbee: | kormoc: that can't be fetched from ffmpeg -i ? Would reduce the deps |
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| [18:13:05] | kormoc: | gbee, ahh! I only knew about mplayer -i, I'll give ffmpeg -i a go |
| [18:13:28] | Axios: | should I just reinstall ubuntu? |
| [18:13:44] | gbee: | I'll get that stuff put in the database for you though, well the aspect ratio is already there for trunk, if that would help? |
| [18:14:10] | kormoc: | Axios, sudo passwd -d root |
| [18:14:40] | kormoc: | gbee, I couldn't find it in the db when I did a quick looksie, which table is that stored in? |
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| [18:15:07] | gbee: | kormoc: recordedmarkup |
| [18:15:08] | kormoc: | but yeah, if I can get it from the db, I can update the flash streaming to also be aspect correct |
| [18:15:12] | kormoc: | Rgr |
| [18:15:44] | gbee: | with an entry at the start and for each change in aspect |
| [18:16:46] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, Most of the necessary grepping and awking you need may be in my script for the "Hd Playbak reports" page, I pull the codec/res/etc. info out-- you'd just need to change an awk for the Aspect Ratio |
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| [18:17:16] | gbee: | type numbers correspond to an aspect ratio, the list appears near the top of libmythtv/programinfo.h |
| [18:17:23] | kormoc: | Slick |
| [18:17:36] | Axios: | still get the 'Cannot log into database' |
| [18:17:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, well, if I can just get it from the db, that would be awesome :) |
| [18:17:51] | gbee: | kormoc: what's the res required for? |
| [18:17:55] | kormoc: | Axios, mysql's root password is a different beast, you should just google that |
| [18:18:22] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, oh, d'oh! Didn't read far enough before responding, my bad |
| [18:18:32] | gbee: | sorry to be interrogating you :) |
| [18:18:48] | kormoc: | gbee, I'm streaming to the ipod touch, so I want to get the apsect correct, also get the resolution nearish to the native and still within the device's ability to play |
| [18:18:51] | kormoc: | gbee, no worries :) |
| [18:19:13] | kormoc: | so if it's already 480x320, I don't want to bother resizing it, but 800x600 should |
| [18:19:19] | gbee: | ahh |
| [18:19:33] | gbee: | ok, that makes sense then :) |
| [18:19:56] | iamlindoro__: | Would be nice to get Resolution in to the DB too, even if only to be able to use "720p" and "1080i" icons in Watch recordings |
| [18:20:14] | iamlindoro__: | and have some listings-agnostic way of determining an HD program |
| [18:20:20] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, we have a HD flag in there already |
| [18:20:31] | iamlindoro__: | But it's from the listings, isn't it? |
| [18:20:34] | gbee: | iamlindoro__: could be your next project :) |
| [18:20:38] | kormoc: | Hrm. I think so |
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| [18:20:55] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, Yeah, that might make the bite-sized kind of thing I could manage |
| [18:21:09] | kormoc: | Where would it go? recordedmarkup as well? |
| [18:21:09] | gbee: | yeah, it currently is, but it could be derived from the resolution, same for 'widescreen' from the aspect ratio |
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| [18:22:11] | gbee: | kormoc: probably the recorded or recordprogram table, unless we track changes in resolution – which are pretty rare so unlikely |
| [18:22:43] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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| [18:23:07] | leebier: | would it be useful to the community to post somewhere how to find out if a Motorola DCH3200 box has firewire active, or is this something already widely known? |
| [18:23:07] | gbee: | only reason the aspect ratio is in the markup table is because we're recording the position of every change |
| [18:23:19] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:23:29] | kormoc: | I wasn't sure if the resolution also changed inline |
| [18:25:10] | gbee: | I think it can, but I don't see it here in the UK, maybe common elsewhere so I'll ask around |
| [18:25:20] | iamlindoro__: | leebier, If you mean checking in the box menus, then yes, that's fairly common knowledge |
| [18:25:37] | iamlindoro__: | although the port being active is seldom the problem. |
| [18:26:21] | leebier: | iam- ah, ok, fair enough |
| [18:26:24] | GlemSom: | Using dvbsnoop it seems my provider sends program info containing the text "<BR>" – is that really right? |
| [18:26:35] | leebier: | are you referring to the encryption flag or some other issue? |
| [18:26:48] | gbee: | GlemSom: no |
| [18:27:00] | iamlindoro__: | I am referring to 5C being the real problem (which is not, strictly speaking, encryption) |
| [18:27:20] | leebier: | iam- that's what i meant |
| [18:27:20] | gbee: | guess they probably prepare the information for their website and EIT at the same time, the <br> is probably a mistake/oversight |
| [18:27:36] | leebier: | i realize the flag is an issue, but ATM, my concern is channel changing |
| [18:27:57] | iamlindoro__: | leebier, Then yes, we're generally aware of the STB menus/settings |
| [18:27:59] | leebier: | which an active port SHOULD be a sufficient condition to obtain |
| [18:28:16] | GlemSom: | gbee, Well, on the box I got from them the program info is shown correctly... But I guess that box could be parsing the <BR> to a newline... |
| [18:28:48] | leebier: | alright, well, here goes nothing, bbiab with questions, i'm sure :) |
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| [18:29:23] | GlemSom: | gbee, Though, I wonder why the "<BR>" is not put into the MySQL database? |
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| [18:42:50] | fuxxy: | I'm trying to add XML TV ID's to my available digital channels. I can tune Hallmark in Digital, but the only XML listing is the one I'm currently using in analog – is it okay to use the same XML TV ID for both the digital and analog channels? |
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| [18:44:55] | Darkblaidd: | I have a two questions about mythcommflag. I have a master and a secondary backend. Only the master backend has tuners, and it will always be the only one that does. I run some pretty cpu intsensiive user jobs, so the secondary backend is there to help balance that load and right now is configured to preform commercial flagginng. I have mythcommflag set to start the flagging when a recording starts. On the master |
| [18:44:55] | Darkblaidd: | backend the commercial flagging stops right after the show is finished recording and it flags the commercials properly. The secondary backend finishes the commercial flagging before the show is done recording and does flag any commercials. Why is this happening and is there anything I can do about it? |
| [18:48:04] | wagnerrp: | Darkblaidd: you can run a jobqueue on the slave backend |
| [18:48:10] | wagnerrp: | you dont need to run the full backend |
| [18:48:44] | clever: | mythjobqueue |
| [18:49:02] | Darkblaidd: | and that will help solve the problem that it's finishing the flagging the commercials before they're done recording? |
| [18:49:19] | clever: | thats a totaly seperate problem |
| [18:49:21] | wagnerrp: | well thats a completely different problem |
| [18:49:38] | wagnerrp: | jobqueue vs. backend just means considerably less unnecessary memory usage on the slave |
| [18:49:51] | Darkblaidd: | Okay. Well that's the problem I'm trying to work on. It really doesn't matter to me whether I'm running a backend or just a job queue |
| [18:49:56] | sphery: | strange... mythbackend is running at 97+% CPU |
| [18:50:02] | sphery: | and the HTTP status is wedged |
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| [18:50:41] | Darkblaidd: | Any idea why the comm flagging wouldn't be waiting for to recording to finish before saying the commercial flagging was done? |
| [18:50:55] | clever: | it reaches the end of the file and it stops |
| [18:51:05] | clever: | it wasnt made to run before the recording was over |
| [18:51:09] | Darkblaidd: | so it's because it's processing it faster than the master backend is recording.. |
| [18:51:24] | sphery: | Darkblaidd: because there was a bad section of the recording and the ffmpeg libraries used by Myth caused a segfault, so the mythtranscode process died |
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| [18:51:41] | sphery: | no, it won't process faster than it records--it knows if it's recording |
| [18:51:44] | Darkblaidd: | so then it works okay on the masterbackend just becuase it takes more time to flag commericals and to record? |
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| [18:52:16] | Darkblaidd: | sphery: so I have recordings that don't show any outward bad frames that have this problem, and if I requeue the commflag job it does the flagging properly |
| [18:52:37] | sphery: | then, it's something else. Many on the list have said they have the same problem |
| [18:52:45] | sphery: | I think it's something to do with a specific distro's configuration |
| [18:52:49] | sphery: | what distro |
| [18:52:53] | Darkblaidd: | they have the problem with transcoding, or with commerical flagging.. |
| [18:52:58] | Darkblaidd: | I'm using mythbuntu |
| [18:53:10] | Darkblaidd: | and it works on one backend, but not the other |
| [18:53:35] | sphery: | commflagging |
| [18:54:04] | sphery: | same exact symptoms--it dies if it's the one started by Myth, but after requeuing it, it works |
| [18:54:26] | Darkblaidd: | hmm.. |
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| [18:55:42] | moh: | can anyone point me to what creates the mysql user account for the mythtv backend? My mysql user table got hosed and I'm trying to recreate. |
| [18:56:10] | sphery: | mc.sql sets permissions (which affects the mysql user table), but it also creates a new DB |
| [18:56:16] | moh: | thanks. |
| [18:56:21] | sphery: | so, you should just execute the permissions-setting command from it... |
| [18:56:32] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [18:56:44] | sphery: | in other words, execute the grants in there |
| [18:56:54] | moh: | excellent. I didn't wan to grant "all priviledges" unless that was what it really needed. |
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| [19:11:23] | fuxxy: | I'm trying to add XML TV ID's to my available digital channels. I can tune Hallmark in Digital, but the only XML listing is the one I'm currently using in analog – is it okay to use the same XML TV ID for both the digital and analog channels? |
| [19:12:24] | sphery: | yes, assuming you're not using EIT for the channel |
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| [19:13:27] | fuxxy: | sphery, I don't quite follow – I'm not sure if I use EIT or not. |
| [19:13:37] | fuxxy: | EIT == Event Information Table? |
| [19:13:50] | sphery: | Myth rocks. A commflag job got wedged on my /master/ backend on Wed night and somehow the mythbackend process got into a max-out-the-CPU loop since, but it recorded all my shows without issue... :) |
| [19:14:27] | sphery: | fuxxy: Yeah, EIT is the listings that are broadcast with the TV signal (as opposed to XMLTV- or SD-provided listings) |
| [19:14:49] | gbee: | why do all 2.5" drive enclosures look so crappy? |
| [19:15:03] | fuxxy: | sphery, Okay – that's the reason for manually adding my xmlTV id's manually – so I guess I don't use EIT information :) |
| [19:15:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: jobs are nice'd to something far less than the backend by default |
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| [19:15:42] | gbee: | sphery: trunk? |
| [19:15:43] | wagnerrp: | gbee: the 1st party 2.5" drives usually look fairly nice |
| [19:15:54] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, mine are at 17, so that's probably why mbe was maxing the CPU (versus mythcommflag), but I have no idea how a runaway commflag could cause mbe to go wild |
| [19:16:01] | wagnerrp: | i.e. the ones from the drive manufacturers themselves |
| [19:16:06] | sphery: | gbee: no, it's 0.21-fixes (about a week old), so not worth worrying about. |
| [19:16:20] | sphery: | I'm just really impressed that it recorded all my shows without issue. :) |
| [19:16:57] | sphery: | Got a cold while on a business trip, so I never even checked up on the backend (usually, I look at status just to see what good stuff will be waiting when I get home :) |
| [19:17:54] | gbee: | wagnerrp: yeah, thing is I've ended up with a perfectly fine 60Gb 2.5" that I don't want to waste, figured I might stick it in a USB external enclosure as a portable backup device, just disappointed by all the enclosures I've looked at so far, they make my Maxtor one look positively beautiful |
| [19:18:16] | ** gbee has a nasty cold and is feeling miserable ** | |
| [19:18:34] | sphery: | at one of my jobs we use a 2.5" enclosure that's pretty slick-looking |
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| [19:18:55] | sphery: | gbee: me, too--that will teach me to leave Florida and head North for a business trip in winter... |
| [19:19:00] | wagnerrp: | one of my friends picked up one of these a few months ago: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822186055 |
| [19:19:28] | wagnerrp: | if i didnt know better, i would think he were going to pop it open and take a swig |
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| [19:20:12] | gbee: | yeah those iomega ones look pretty good |
| [19:21:17] | gbee: | looks aren't really that important, but all the same the 'insert your own drive' ones I'm seeing a have no styling |
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| [19:22:45] | kormoc: | so I'm actually quite happy with http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182116 |
| [19:23:16] | wagnerrp: | this one doesnt look bad: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182140 |
| [19:25:47] | kormoc: | sphery, I wonder how hard it would be to add in a 'max job runtime' option, so if a job goes over x, the backend auto kills it... |
| [19:26:04] | gbee: | not hideous :) |
| [19:26:07] | sphery: | sounds like a good idea. |
| [19:26:13] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [19:26:24] | wagnerrp: | should be just as easy to detect that the job has stalled |
| [19:26:35] | wagnerrp: | the job queue keeps track of the current percentage |
| [19:26:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, well, perhaps it doesn't, say if the commflag freaks out and swaps status every frame, that would slaughter the db, but not stall |
| [19:27:15] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, and it keeps track only if the user job reports that info back |
| [19:27:31] | sphery: | Wasn't really a big deal, though. Just restarted my Myth processes and--other than the 10 queued commflag jobs the mbe has to do (I limit it to the recording host for network niceness)--it didn't cause any problems |
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| [19:27:44] | kormoc: | well |
| [19:28:15] | kormoc: | I know I ran into an issue when one of my user jobs wouldn't ever exit, and thus the entire queue stopped running for a week (till I saw what was up). That was annoying |
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| [19:29:10] | sphery: | yeah, it's probably worth doing eventually |
| [19:30:32] | kormoc: | well, to take it way too far, given we know how long commflagging tends to take, could even do auto-estimating and when it's outside by a few standard deviations, it can kill it, that would be snaztastic |
| [19:31:13] | SpaceBass: | odd – when I run mythrename as a cronjob it just dumps the files into the same directory, when I run from the commandline it creates a directory for each file |
| [19:31:24] | SpaceBass: | anyone have any thoughts why that would happen? |
| [19:31:31] | gbee: | deja-vu |
| [19:31:55] | sphery: | kormoc: I am planning to make some changes to the job handling, so I may do something for the wedged jobs at that time. |
| [19:32:27] | sphery: | SpaceBass: what's the command-line in the cron job? |
| [19:33:25] | SpaceBass: | mythrename.pl --link /local/media/Myth/shows/ --format %T/%m%-%d%-%Y\ %S --live --verbose |
| [19:33:34] | SpaceBass: | if I litterally copy and paste that, then it creates a directory structure |
| [19:33:44] | wagnerrp: | try putting that in a short script |
| [19:33:51] | wagnerrp: | and having the cronjob call the script |
| [19:34:16] | SpaceBass: | k |
| [19:34:25] | sphery: | yeah, sounds like your cron is eating the path |
| [19:34:37] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, So I think I will work on getting the resolutions into the DB, but is it worth doing it on an ongoing basis (patterning after http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18558) or is the initial adequate? Also, are you open to the notion of replacing the "HD" icon in watch recordings with icons for actual resolutions? |
| [19:35:26] | SpaceBass: | script works – I'll try it in cron |
| [19:36:14] | gbee: | not sure it's worth monitoring changes, I really can't believe that many (any) channels change resolutions |
| [19:36:37] | iamlindoro__: | gbee, personally I have none, just wondering if I'm in for complaints if I don't |
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| [19:36:52] | gbee: | no problem with breaking the HD into SD, 720p, 1080i, 1080p |
| [19:37:03] | SpaceBass: | wish there was a way for mythrename.pl to include episode and season numbers |
| [19:37:04] | iamlindoro__: | ok, thanks |
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| [19:37:13] | iamlindoro__: | SpaceBass, Second time you've said it. |
| [19:37:19] | SpaceBass: | i know |
| [19:37:22] | SpaceBass: | still wishing :) |
| [19:37:31] | iamlindoro__: | It's not in the listings info, we can't magick them out of nowhere |
| [19:37:36] | kormoc: | SpaceBass, patches welcome |
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| [19:37:46] | SpaceBass: | also thought there might be a different group here, who might have tried and solved that some other way |
| [19:37:53] | SpaceBass: | kormoc, if I were a coder, Id be happy to try |
| [19:38:01] | sphery: | be patient, there may be a way in the future... |
| [19:39:02] | sphery: | gbee / iamlindoro__ : we can't let the resolution override the HDTV flag, though, because many shows are non-HDTV up-res'ed to whatever the broadcaster chose to use |
| [19:39:32] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, You're right, hadn't thought of that-- well, would still be nice to have it alongside icons for 480/720/1080 |
| [19:39:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:40:08] | sphery: | I probably shouldn't mention, though, that I had wanted to see all the changes in res |
| [19:40:24] | kormoc: | hehe |
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| [19:40:54] | sphery: | I think they do occur here (and maybe in more placed than people realize) |
| [19:41:14] | iamlindoro__: | wondering if it's worth the trouble of a field for interlaced/progressive even though it will only apply to 480 |
| [19:41:33] | sphery: | interlaced and progressive occurs on a frame-by-frame basis |
| [19:41:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, they don't broadcast i/p? |
| [19:41:43] | gbee: | sphery: I blame the cold, not really at my fastest tonight |
| [19:41:45] | kormoc: | (one of the two) |
| [19:42:21] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, I meant I wonder if it's worth monitoring which it is for the sake of calling something 480i/480p |
| [19:42:31] | sphery: | so, if we say, "interlaced" and then people see, "My logs say it's changing between interlaced and progressive. Why is Myth so stupid?" |
| [19:42:49] | iamlindoro__: | I'll save myself the trouble and forget that idea ;) |
| [19:43:11] | sphery: | I also think that 1080p24 ATSC may occur more often than people realize (though I haven't checked). |
| [19:43:12] | kormoc: | couldn't you just filter over a few frames before deciding? |
| [19:44:07] | iamlindoro__: | sphery, I had been under the impression that nobody is using it-- could be wrong I guess |
| [19:44:35] | iamlindoro__: | Ah well, resolutions first and if interlaced/non has any qualitative value it should be simple to add in the future |
| [19:45:11] | gbee: | it's not really a question of 'can we' but 'is it worth it' |
| [19:45:17] | iamlindoro__: | right |
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| [19:48:34] | iamlindoro__: | I am thinking in recorded, but does it make more sense for it to be stored elsewhere? |
| [19:49:09] | kormoc: | if we only do starting resolution, that seems sane |
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| [19:49:29] | kormoc: | you know, I really want a small form factor pc with a hefty nvidia card |
| [19:49:50] | kormoc: | if only the macmini had a 8xxx/9xxx card |
| [19:53:14] | kormoc: | Oh! So close! http://www.zotac.com/index.php?option=com_con . . . p;Itemid=227 |
| [19:54:42] | iamlindoro__: | jpabq has the gigabyte mATX 9300 board on the way, and I just got the ASUS equivalent yesterday |
| [19:55:26] | iamlindoro__: | Might fit the bill, although mATX HTPC cases have an obnoxious habit of being built with components side-by-side instead of in SFF |
| [19:55:39] | gbee: | plenty of matx boards with 8200/8300, guessing that kormoc wants smaller |
| [19:55:52] | kormoc: | yeah, I was looking for mini-itx |
| [19:56:09] | kormoc: | Mac Mini/Dell Studio Hybrid sized |
| [19:56:16] | iamlindoro__: | yeah |
| [19:56:19] | kormoc: | but that may turn into a pipe dream |
| [19:56:40] | gbee: | in fact matx boards seem to be the norm these days, you get funny looks if you are searching for ATX |
| [19:57:03] | iamlindoro__: | kormoc, perhaps? http://minicomputerworld.com/mini-motherboard . . . -motherboard |
| [19:57:34] | iamlindoro__: | Last month, probably not out quite yet, but might work |
| [19:57:45] | kormoc: | Slick, yeah |
| [19:58:09] | kormoc: | I'm mainly looking around right now, I'm just nanoyed by my current setup, but can hold off for a solid nice solution |
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| [20:21:53] | wagnerrp: | i think most people would find that board limiting |
| [20:21:58] | wagnerrp: | it only has 12 USB ports |
| [20:24:40] | SpaceBass: | im having problems with mythexport saying that it cannot write to ../path/foo/bar/*temp* |
| [20:25:24] | SpaceBass: | ../foo/bar is 777 so I cant imagine its a permission issie |
| [20:34:16] | clever: | it may lack +x to ../path/ |
| [20:34:23] | clever: | which stops it from touching foo |
| [20:34:41] | clever: | sudo -u something stat ../path/foot/bar/ |
| [20:35:12] | SpaceBass: | I'll check |
| [20:38:39] | SpaceBass: | added +x to the path, no change |
| [20:38:50] | SpaceBass: | its worked on a few files, but craps out 95% of the time |
| [20:38:53] | clever: | what is the error? |
| [20:39:00] | SpaceBass: | mv: cannot stat `/local/media/Myth/videos/*temp*': No such file or directory |
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| [20:39:29] | clever: | that means that whoever ran the command lacks +r to the 'videos' folder and/or +x to any folder above it |
| [20:39:36] | clever: | try to ls the folder |
| [20:39:38] | LaptopBrain: | hi, im trying in vain to find the firmware for the hauppage wintv-hvr-1100 tv card, low profile version. its only showing as 'conextant device 0800 (rev 05)' right now, i guess it needs the firmware so that lspci shows it correctly. damned if i can find it though. |
| [20:39:42] | clever: | ls /local/media/Myth/videos/ |
| [20:39:44] | SpaceBass: | http://pastebin.ca/1264542 |
| [20:39:47] | LaptopBrain: | i am on gentoo if it helps |
| [20:39:50] | clever: | SpaceBass: what error does the ls give? |
| [20:40:03] | SpaceBass: | I'm calling it from mythweb – which I thought was executed as the mythtv user |
| [20:40:14] | clever: | mythweb gets ran as www-data or apache or httpd |
| [20:40:20] | SpaceBass: | when I log in as mythtv I can touch and remove files in ../videos |
| [20:40:25] | SpaceBass: | ah |
| [20:40:39] | clever: | ps aux|egrep 'apache|httpd' |
| [20:40:48] | clever: | www-data 28683 0.0 1.0 28724 5544 ? S 04:37 0:23 /usr/sbin/apache2 -k start |
| [20:40:54] | clever: | mine runs as www-data |
| [20:40:59] | SpaceBass: | yeah www-data |
| [20:41:05] | clever: | so to test, sudo -u www-data ls /local/media/Myth/videos/ |
| [20:41:08] | SpaceBass: | so I could add www-data to my medausers group |
| [20:41:35] | clever: | thats one way you can fix it |
| [20:41:39] | SpaceBass: | -su: Can't open ls |
| [20:41:51] | clever: | sudo and su work a little different |
| [20:42:08] | clever: | su www-data -c "ls /local/media/Myth/videos/" i think |
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| [20:42:55] | clever: | SpaceBass: and instead of running tail 20 times, try tail -F |
| [20:43:01] | SpaceBass: | if I run that with sudo in front, it returns nothing |
| [20:43:15] | SpaceBass: | sudo su www-data -c "ls /local/media/Myth/videos/" |
| [20:43:30] | clever: | if your using sudo, then its just sudo -u www-data ls /local/media/Myth/videos/ |
| [20:43:48] | clever: | which should list all the videos in that folder |
| [20:43:55] | SpaceBass: | returns nothing |
| [20:44:03] | SpaceBass: | exit 0 |
| [20:44:13] | clever: | check that the folder isnt empty |
| [20:44:33] | SpaceBass: | good point |
| [20:44:35] | ** SpaceBass smacks head ** | |
| [20:44:51] | SpaceBass: | just did a "touch test" and now the ls command shows the test file |
| [20:45:07] | SpaceBass: | which means www-data can navigate the structure, right? |
| [20:45:14] | clever: | sounds about right |
| [20:45:41] | SpaceBass: | ok... |
| [20:45:42] | SpaceBass: | sudo -u www-data test /local/media/Myth/videos/test2 |
| [20:45:47] | SpaceBass: | did not error, but the file is not there |
| [20:45:55] | SpaceBass: | drat...typo .... |
| [20:46:05] | clever: | 'test' is a special program to do many things |
| [20:46:10] | SpaceBass: | sudo -u www-data touch /local/media/Myth/videos/test2 |
| [20:46:10] | SpaceBass: | touch: cannot touch `/local/media/Myth/videos/test2': Permission denied |
| [20:46:20] | clever: | then www-data lacks write permisions |
| [20:46:42] | fuxxy_: | Can someone help me make sense of this? LiveTV dumps back to the frontend with the error "Error was encountered while displaying video", happens when changing back and forth between channels on hdhomerun – http://rafb.net/p/YSo24L36.html |
| [20:46:43] | SpaceBass: | great troubleshooting tips, thanks clever – I'll keep working on the permissions |
| [20:52:58] | SpaceBass: | arrugg ... www-data can write to the directory just fine now, but its still failing |
| [20:54:30] | clever: | did you add a group? |
| [20:54:38] | SpaceBass: | yeah |
| [20:54:46] | SpaceBass: | and did an su – www-data |
| [20:54:46] | clever: | then apache is still running with the old groups |
| [20:54:50] | clever: | restart apache |
| [20:55:03] | SpaceBass: | then made sure that user had access to the entire dir structure |
| [20:55:26] | clever: | when you change the perms for a user, it doesnt affect any program allready running as that user |
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| [20:55:45] | clever: | the groups are only loaded when you initialy switch from root->www-data |
| [20:55:47] | LaptopBrain: | does anyone here have TT_PCI_2.19h_28_11_2006.zip? (the hvr-1100 firmware)? |
| [20:55:57] | LaptopBrain: | if so can you please make it available to me, i cant find it *anywhere* :( |
| [20:56:01] | SpaceBass: | the directory in question is 777+x ....would think any user should be able to write to it |
| [20:56:20] | clever: | sudo -u www-data stat /local/media/Myth/videos |
| [20:56:41] | clever: | Access: (2777/drwxrwsrwx) Uid: ( 119/ mythtv) Gid: ( 119/ mythtv) |
| [20:56:58] | SpaceBass: | Access: (2777/drwxrwsrwx) Uid: ( 33/www-data) Gid: ( 124/ mythtv) |
| [20:57:09] | clever: | then anybody should be able to write to the dir |
| [20:58:43] | SpaceBass: | rror while opening codec for output stream #0.1 – maybe incorrect parameters such as bit_rate, rate, width or height |
| [20:58:43] | SpaceBass: | AtomicParsley error: bad mpeg4 file (ftyp atom missing or alignment error). |
| [20:58:43] | SpaceBass: | mv: cannot stat `/local/media/Myth/videos/*temp*': No such file or directory |
| [20:58:57] | clever: | does a file containing 'temp' exist? |
| [20:59:04] | SpaceBass: | no |
| [20:59:11] | clever: | then, no such file or directory! |
| [20:59:57] | SpaceBass: | guess that could be a bug in the script |
| [21:00:47] | clever: | make a 'temp' file using touch and see what it does |
| [21:01:42] | SpaceBass: | would the fact that I'm using mythrename.pl have anything to do with it? I cant imagine it would |
| [21:02:38] | SpaceBass: | no longer getting the error about /*temp* but it still fails |
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| [21:14:23] | SpaceBass: | btw – looks like mythweb files run as the mythtv user |
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| [21:29:06] | sphery: | "On February 17, 2009, broadcast TV goes digital. If you get your TV over an antenna, you need a converter box. Get the facts at cnet.com/dtv." |
| [21:29:10] | sphery: | idiots |
| [21:29:23] | sphery: | I hate those commercials |
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| [21:54:17] | directhex: | sphery, why? |
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| [21:56:53] | NightMonkey: | sphery: "idiots"? |
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| [22:33:51] | mpav: | Q: Any recommendations on enclosure/core for a HDMI enabled setup? |
| [22:35:07] | iamlindoro__: | not without knowing what an "enclosure/core" is |
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| [22:36:49] | mpav: | case |
| [22:37:04] | mpav: | or htpc-core .. where its a case and usually mobo |
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| [22:38:06] | iamlindoro__: | You will need to be much, much more specific about what it is you hope to play if you want motherboard advice, but Antec, Zalman, and Silverstone are all well-thought of case manufacturers for HTPC stuff |
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| [22:39:04] | mpav: | i hope to use it for music and movie playback.. OTA HD recording |
| [22:39:23] | mpav: | HDMI is a preferred |
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| [22:39:34] | mpav: | not sure if i need hdmi-cp or not |
| [22:39:43] | mpav: | many of the boxes do not support HDMI |
| [22:39:54] | iamlindoro__: | That would be "HDCP" and no, there's no such thing under linux. |
| [22:40:05] | SHADOW__X: | now i can say it comfirmed comcast delete abit of qam channels in my area |
| [22:40:26] | SHADOW__X: | rescanned |
| [22:40:28] | SHADOW__X: | :( |
| [22:40:30] | iamlindoro__: | And if you want HDMI then pretty much any motherboard or GPU manufactured by Intel, nVidia, and ATI currently can be made to work well. |
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| [22:41:18] | mpav: | iamlindoro__: i understand. i think i'm looking for more personal experience |
| [22:41:37] | mpav: | "i have XX.. it does this well.. it does not work well for YY" |
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| [22:42:49] | SHADOW__X: | iamlindoro__ comcast did take some open qam channels away |
| [22:44:23] | mpav: | SHADOW__X: i wish they would just allow recording by external device that would record the encrypted content to disk.. then you would just play it back through the cable box |
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| [22:45:08] | SHADOW__X: | they are too worried that people who pay for the service will distribute it i guess |
| [22:45:22] | wagnerrp: | mpav: so you actually mean a 'barebones' system |
| [22:45:34] | SHADOW__X: | or maybe forsing people to use sites such as hulu instead of paying for cable |
| [22:45:50] | SHADOW__X: | its like hey we have to problem with paying for cable can i just record my show geez |
| [22:45:50] | mpav: | wagnerrp: yep |
| [22:45:54] | SHADOW__X: | but nooo |
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| [22:46:12] | mpav: | SHADOW |
| [22:46:20] | mpav: | : yeah, they are completely missing the point |
| [22:46:31] | SHADOW__X: | yup |
| [22:46:37] | mpav: | or if they had better on-demand options |
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| [22:47:13] | mpav: | i'd just like to be able to pull up "This weeks new episodes" by channel and play shows that way |
| [22:47:14] | SHADOW__X: | right if they where more concerned about the users and not about a system that is so inefficient that they wast money on a dying infrastructure |
| [22:47:47] | SHADOW__X: | right that should be included in cable subscriptions not having to pay MOAR and MOAR and MOAR |
| [22:48:26] | mpav: | most people wouldn't need to have massive amounts of shows recorded if they could just access it via on-demand easier |
| [22:48:47] | mpav: | only thing i really short term time shift are sporting events |
| [22:49:00] | mpav: | can't really go a week without watching it, b/c someone is bound to leak the score |
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| [22:49:30] | LonEagle: | speaking of on-demand ... what's the best way to do hulu with mythtv? |
| [22:49:44] | iamlindoro__: | By rebooting into windows? |
| [22:50:05] | LonEagle: | lol |
| [22:50:07] | iamlindoro__: | or mythbrowser + flash I suppose. |
| [22:50:17] | LonEagle: | it plays well enough for me in linux. |
| [22:50:22] | LonEagle: | with flash 10 now anyway |
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| [22:52:26] | LonEagle: | i didn't know mythbrowser had flash plugin support |
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| [23:06:17] | ** jams wonders why irobot has restored to X10 like marketing ** | |
| [23:06:36] | LonEagle: | how so? |
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| [23:07:48] | wagnerrp: | by mimicking mid 90's techniques? |
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| [23:08:23] | iamlindoro__: | presumably popunders, voiceover ads, things that refuse to go away, etc. |
| [23:08:53] | wagnerrp: | flashing text 'r us |
| [23:09:50] | jams: | well i was referring to the non-stop emails from them, everyday is a sale! |
| [23:10:09] | echelon: | hi, does mythtv support using key files for decoding satellite broadcasts? |
| [23:10:12] | LonEagle: | oh i see |
| [23:10:31] | LonEagle: | that's too bad, x10 was cool but they totally teed everyone off |
| [23:10:36] | wagnerrp: | echelon: you mean like... a softcam? |
| [23:10:56] | echelon: | yeah |
| [23:11:07] | ** iamlindoro__ reloads and makes ready to fire ** | |
| [23:11:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not support encrypted anything |
| [23:11:33] | iamlindoro__: | We take a pretty dim view of that, actually. |
| [23:11:55] | echelon: | so i have to use windows just so i can do this? |
| [23:12:16] | iamlindoro__: | You *can't* do that. Turns out stealing is *wrong*. |
| [23:12:33] | iamlindoro__: | You may go. |
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| [23:13:54] | echelon: | the provider doesn't offer us service where i live |
| [23:14:20] | Leebier: | i just set up mythdora 5, and things are going pretty well, EXCEPT I cannot watch live tv. it appears to hang when trying to send the 6200ch firewire channel change command |
| [23:14:26] | LonEagle: | myth stays away from things like that. echelon. |
| [23:14:30] | Leebier: | the odd part is that if i run mythbacknd from teh command line, it works fine |
| [23:14:36] | Leebier: | it's only when mythbackend is a service that it doesn't work |
| [23:14:37] | iamlindoro__: | echelon, Oh well, I can't get the BBC. |
| [23:14:45] | iamlindoro__: | Guess I'll have to live without it then. |
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| [23:20:59] | LonEagle: | gosh, i'm watching some old programs i used to record with my pvr150... those were the days |
| [23:21:11] | LonEagle: | atsc is nice but the bitstream is never perfect |
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| [23:25:16] | d0netsFN: | anyone wanna help me pick out a card? |
| [23:25:23] | d0netsFN: | i was talking with people the other day |
| [23:25:33] | d0netsFN: | but we were mostly discussing hvr's i think |
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| [23:25:38] | d0netsFN: | but im just going to get a non hd card now |
| [23:25:45] | LonEagle: | i have an hdhomerun |
| [23:25:53] | LonEagle: | it's nice – no messing with drivers at all |
| [23:26:05] | d0netsFN: | yea i think someone linked me to that |
| [23:26:07] | d0netsFN: | how much is it? |
| [23:26:13] | d0netsFN: | i just dont have HD right now |
| [23:27:33] | Leebier: | what is fundamentally different between running mythbackend as a service rather than at the command line? are permissions different? |
| [23:27:59] | LonEagle: | Leebier: that may be true – are you running it as a different user that way? |
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| [23:28:13] | Leebier: | i've tried as mythtv and as su at the command line and it works |
| [23:28:20] | Leebier: | i'm not sur ewhat the default way to run it as a service is |
| [23:28:28] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: i don't have an hdtv, but it's a reasonable atsc tuner |
| [23:30:28] | directhex: | Leebier, on most distros, yes, services are run as separate users, for security |
| [23:30:37] | Leebier: | hmm |
| [23:30:48] | directhex: | Leebier, that user needs write access to all the right places, and read access to all the device nodes |
| [23:31:20] | iamlindoro__: | in this case, /dev/raw1394 |
| [23:31:34] | Leebier: | ahhh |
| [23:31:47] | Leebier: | yes, i made mythv able to access it, but not the service user, it seems |
| [23:31:51] | directhex: | perhaps you need write access to the device node? iamlindoro__? |
| [23:32:09] | iamlindoro__: | directhex, yep, he's trying to send messages to the STB |
| [23:32:41] | Leebier: | and raw1394 insists on being owned by root and in the root group |
| [23:32:47] | Leebier: | despite having a=wrx |
| [23:34:26] | Leebier: | this is solved by the udev rules thing on the wiki, eh? |
| [23:39:07] | d0netsFN: | ok hrmm |
| [23:39:10] | d0netsFN: | loneagle |
| [23:39:13] | d0netsFN: | are you happy with it? |
| [23:39:28] | wagnerrp: | Leebier: on linux, there is no such thing as a 'service' |
| [23:39:29] | d0netsFN: | will it do hd if i have hd satellite and i watch it on my pc monitor? |
| [23:39:30] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: yeah. i haven't had any other atsc tuners though. |
| [23:39:50] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: it won't help you with satellite at all, only OTA or unencrypted QAM cable |
| [23:39:52] | wagnerrp: | the init scripts just run the command from the command line as you would |
| [23:40:08] | d0netsFN: | oh |
| [23:40:09] | d0netsFN: | hrmm |
| [23:40:13] | d0netsFN: | what do i need for satellite |
| [23:40:14] | wagnerrp: | they just may set up extra things, like loading drivers, or chown'ing files |
| [23:40:18] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: you need an analog capture card for satellite |
| [23:40:21] | d0netsFN: | what will work with sat and cable |
| [23:41:10] | Leebier: | wagnerrp – what's a better name for things run by /sbin/service? |
| [23:41:48] | wagnerrp: | the closest thing to what youre looking for is a daemon |
| [23:41:54] | Leebier: | there we go, that works for me :) |
| [23:42:06] | Leebier: | so then what changes when mythbackend is run as a daemon rather than at the command line? |
| [23:42:07] | wagnerrp: | which is just any application that runs independent of the terminal |
| [23:42:35] | wagnerrp: | you add the '-d' flag on the command line |
| [23:42:50] | Leebier: | as livetv works fine when backend is run from teh command line, but give errors (i can pastebin) when run as a daemon |
| [23:43:40] | wagnerrp: | paste them |
| [23:44:03] | wagnerrp: | the only difference that may occur is whatever the init scripts do in preparation of running mythbackend |
| [23:44:23] | wagnerrp: | and the init scripts are particular to each distro and init system |
| [23:45:07] | Leebier: | grr, maybe i can't pastebin, hang on a sec |
| [23:45:28] | d0netsFN: | so it looks like i need the pvr 500? |
| [23:45:45] | wagnerrp: | for analog capture of two sources, yes |
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| [23:46:22] | d0netsFN: | yea |
| [23:46:24] | d0netsFN: | question |
| [23:46:31] | d0netsFN: | i only have one coax line in my room |
| [23:46:34] | d0netsFN: | what do i do about that |
| [23:46:46] | d0netsFN: | can i split it before the card? |
| [23:46:47] | wagnerrp: | buy a splitter |
| [23:46:47] | darkdrgn2k: | Any one here know if i can receive SD tv from a 3250HD cable box's firewire port in Toronto (rogers cable) |
| [23:46:55] | d0netsFN: | i already have 2 |
| [23:46:57] | darkdrgn2k: | d0netsFN: yes |
| [23:47:01] | darkdrgn2k: | d0netsFN: split it before the card |
| [23:47:03] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [23:47:10] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: what are you capturing from? |
| [23:47:13] | wagnerrp: | d0netsFN: i thought you wanted to capture satellite? |
| [23:47:17] | d0netsFN: | i do |
| [23:47:22] | d0netsFN: | i want to capture and stream |
| [23:47:23] | darkdrgn2k: | d00gster: then no |
| [23:47:25] | wagnerrp: | well then you need an STB |
| [23:47:31] | wagnerrp: | rather you need to STBs |
| [23:47:32] | LonEagle: | if you're going from satellite you need to run s-vid or something from the satellite box |
| [23:47:36] | wagnerrp: | one for each input on the 500 |
| [23:47:37] | d0netsFN: | whats an stb |
| [23:47:41] | wagnerrp: | set top box |
| [23:47:43] | darkdrgn2k: | d00gster: you cannot split Satalite Coax with a simple Coax Splitter |
| [23:47:45] | wagnerrp: | satellite receiver |
| [23:47:45] | d0netsFN: | oh |
| [23:47:53] | jhulst (jhulst!n=jhulst@unaffiliated/jhulst) has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) | |
| [23:47:53] | Leebier: | wagnerrp- http://pastebin.com/m422a3f15 |
| [23:47:57] | d0netsFN: | hrmm |
| [23:48:00] | d0netsFN: | i have one |
| [23:48:01] | d0netsFN: | in my room |
| [23:48:02] | sphery: | NightMonkey / directhex : I hate those commercials because they're wrong. I get my TV from an antenna and I don't need a converter box. They basically tell people "either go to the effort of getting a converter box or sign up for cable or satellite" (because no one goes to the actual website for more info). |
| [23:48:16] | d0netsFN: | a few feet from my pc |
| [23:48:24] | darkdrgn2k: | d00gster: you can piggy back a CATV signal and a SAT signal on 1 cable with dieplexers but you cannot slit COAX cable for satalite |
| [23:48:26] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: you'll have to redcord from that |
| [23:48:43] | d0netsFN: | hrmm what do you mean? |
| [23:48:55] | d0netsFN: | like run my original coax from dish, to my STB |
| [23:49:00] | darkdrgn2k: | d0netsFN |
| [23:49:01] | d0netsFN: | then from STB to my pvr 500? |
| [23:49:01] | LonEagle: | yes. |
| [23:49:09] | LonEagle: | and s-vid from the stb to the card. |
| [23:49:16] | d0netsFN: | ohh yea someone said that |
| [23:49:18] | darkdrgn2k: | and probably some IR blasters to :) |
| [23:49:22] | d0netsFN: | does the pvr500 have svideo? |
| [23:49:29] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [23:49:34] | d0netsFN: | 2? |
| [23:49:37] | darkdrgn2k: | d0netsFN: does your capture card support svideo? |
| [23:49:40] | darkdrgn2k: | IN |
| [23:49:42] | LonEagle: | but you might as well get a 150 unless you're going to get another satellite box |
| [23:49:45] | wagnerrp: | the second set of inputs comes on a daughter card |
| [23:49:45] | d0netsFN: | i havent purchased one |
| [23:49:46] | darkdrgn2k: | oh wait |
| [23:49:50] | darkdrgn2k: | stupid point.. never mind! |
| [23:49:59] | d0netsFN: | loneagle hrmm |
| [23:50:00] | Leebier: | wagnerrp- now when i run mythbackend from the command line, i have no problem at all. obviously the pastebin was from mythfrontend, though i didnt mention that |
| [23:50:15] | wagnerrp: | i figured it was from the frontend |
| [23:50:21] | darkdrgn2k: | Any one here know if i can receive SD tv from a 3250HD cable box's firewire port in Toronto (rogers cable) |
| [23:50:29] | wagnerrp: | are you sure the backend is actually running when you run it from the init scripts? |
| [23:50:38] | wagnerrp: | is it running under the same user as when you run it from the command line? |
| [23:50:43] | Leebier: | well, i can watch recorded programs and such |
| [23:50:57] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [23:51:00] | d0netsFN: | yea only 1 svideo out |
| [23:51:01] | d0netsFN: | on the STB |
| [23:51:04] | wagnerrp: | recorded programs get played through the file system |
| [23:51:16] | wagnerrp: | can you actually record new shows when running from the init scripts? |
| [23:51:40] | d0netsFN: | so loneagle the 500 is just 2 150's? |
| [23:51:48] | d0netsFN: | everything is the same performance between them |
| [23:51:50] | d0netsFN: | ? |
| [23:51:53] | LonEagle: | d0netsFN: basically yeah |
| [23:51:54] | wagnerrp: | d0netsFN: basically, yes |
| [23:52:01] | Leebier: | wagnerrp- not sure, hasn't been running long enough. |
| [23:52:01] | LonEagle: | wagnerrp: jinx :P |
| [23:52:20] | Leebier: | easiest way to check what user the daemon is running as? |
| [23:52:37] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [23:52:40] | wagnerrp: | ps aux | grep mythbackend |
| [23:53:20] | Leebier: | gah, that's a command that needs some better lien breaking :) |
| [23:53:45] | Leebier: | assuming the 1st column is the user, then it's running as root |
| [23:54:10] | wagnerrp: | and mythfrontend is running as 'mythtv'? or your own user? |
| [23:54:23] | Leebier: | as mythtv |
| [23:54:45] | Leebier: | ahhh |
| [23:54:56] | wagnerrp: | well first off, i doubt you have the proper config files under /root/.mythtv |
| [23:55:00] | d0netsFN: | hey how many people can watch my live/recorded shows at once? |
| [23:55:07] | wagnerrp: | so the backend cannot connect to the database, and outright fails |
| [23:55:07] | Leebier: | i just tail'ed the log recorded by the daemon (thank you ps aux) and i think i mi ght see the problem |
| [23:55:10] | d0netsFN: | like how many seperate (remote, as in not local) machines |
| [23:55:29] | wagnerrp: | one person can watch one live stream |
| [23:55:39] | wagnerrp: | as many people can watch a recorded stream as your hardware permits |
| [23:55:45] | d0netsFN: | ok |
| [23:56:04] | wagnerrp: | youre likely to hit network limitations before anything else |
| [23:56:15] | Leebier: | well, we were all thinking too hard on this one |
| [23:56:16] | d0netsFN: | im only using an amd 64–3000 |
| [23:56:17] | Leebier: | sigh |
| [23:56:24] | d0netsFN: | with 2 gigs of ram |
| [23:56:33] | Leebier: | i didn't have the full path to the channel change command |
| [23:56:42] | wagnerrp: | and 100mbit should be able to handle at least 6 machines |
| [23:57:02] | d0netsFN: | lol 100 mbit? |
| [23:57:30] | Leebier: | thanks though wagnerrp |
| [23:57:32] | wagnerrp: | the biggest sustained stream youre likely to come up against is 15mbit |
| [23:57:46] | wagnerrp: | they may peak at 19, but they wont hold there |
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| [23:59:07] | d0netsFN: | hey what kinda stream will this put out? |
| [23:59:12] | d0netsFN: | does anyone have a g1? |
| [23:59:19] | d0netsFN: | i want to be able to watch tv from my g1 |
| [23:59:24] | wagnerrp: | a g1? |
| [23:59:29] | wagnerrp: | google phone? |
| [23:59:31] | d0netsFN: | yea the android phone |
| [23:59:34] | d0netsFN: | yea |
| [23:59:43] | clever: | it has legs and arms? |
| [23:59:54] | d0netsFN: | but i know theres not alot of streaming functionality yet |
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