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| [00:00:20] | ward_: | thanx kormoc i didnt know that article yet, you have any idea about my mythtv transcoding error? (255) |
| [00:00:37] | Dagmar: | I'm actually suprised it has it's own entry. |
| [00:00:49] | gbee: | MythTV bzip – 14Mb, Plugins – 19Mb, Themes – 14Mb |
| [00:00:51] | gbee: | for the record |
| [00:01:07] | sid3windr: | Dagmar: on wikipedia, -everything- has its own entry ;) |
| [00:01:19] | Dagmar: | Either it's gotten bigger since 18089 or you're needing to use bzip2. |
| [00:02:13] | Dagmar: | Actually, it's proabbly gotten that much bigger since I'm pretty sure I don't have any of the new mythui changes |
| [00:02:13] | kormoc: | Dagmar, there's a master category for internet in europe |
| [00:02:30] | masterpop: | trying to build mythtv from source- small issue installing dependant package xserver-xorg-video-via on ubuntu 8.10. It won't install because of broken dependency on xserver-xorg-core. Anyone else had this issue per chance? |
| [00:02:44] | iamlindoro: | Oh Europe always with a Master somethingoranother |
| [00:02:53] | gbee: | Dagmar: those are the 0.21 packages on the site (rounded up to the nearest meg) |
| [00:02:58] | Dagmar: | masterpop: Very weird. You shoudl probably report it |
| [00:03:20] | Dagmar: | gbee: I just flipped over to the ssh session to my myth box and ls'd my tarballs directory |
| [00:03:29] | ward_: | kormoc any idea about my transcoding error by any chance? (error 255) |
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| [00:03:42] | gbee: | out of curiousity I'm exporting/compressing trunk now |
| [00:03:49] | masterpop: | think the issue is that video-via doesn't appear to be in the intrepid repos.. so i added the sid repo.. think that's what's causing the problem.. |
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| [00:04:09] | Dagmar: | 18089 is from like two+ months ago anyway |
| [00:04:15] | masterpop: | hmm...okee.. i'll give it another spin tomorrow night. |
| [00:04:18] | ** Dibblah guesses trunk is smaller :) ** | |
| [00:04:19] | masterpop: | ciao all |
| [00:04:26] | Dagmar: | masterpop: Ouch. Don't mix & match repos except as a last resort |
| [00:04:44] | gbee: | Dibblah: that would be my guess too, especially plugins |
| [00:04:44] | ward_: | compile whatever it needs and is not in teh repo |
| [00:05:08] | ward_: | and never update ubuntu after installing from sources |
| [00:05:21] | Dagmar: | I can at least say that 8.10 hasn't carped about any deps, but I don't have a via chipset so I can't speak for the sanity of the dependency information for that piece in 8.10 |
| [00:05:57] | Dibblah: | Actually found Intrepid _really_ easy to get Myth up on. |
| [00:06:09] | Dibblah: | Even netbooted... |
| [00:06:25] | Dagmar: | I'm rather considering switching my myth box to Ubuntu for awhile just to test out their packages |
| [00:06:27] | masterpop: | i have myth running without any issue...works great.. but want to tinker with the code, so need to set up the dev environment.. |
| [00:06:31] | ward_: | i just installed mythbuntu :) |
| [00:07:09] | Dibblah: | I'm not using packages for Myth, of course, though. |
| [00:07:29] | ward_: | Dibblah why not? |
| [00:07:44] | ward_: | im asking because i use mythuntu and i do use the packages |
| [00:07:53] | ward_: | (8.10 btw) |
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| [00:08:33] | Dibblah: | ... Because I had a couple of things I needed to triage in trunk. |
| [00:08:40] | masterpop: | a lot of the dependent packages for compiling myth seem to be in debian-multimedia.org sid...so added that, and downloaded everything.. but got stuck on the video-via. |
| [00:08:55] | Dibblah: | masterpop: Don't mix repos. |
| [00:09:24] | Dagmar: | The way different repos construct their dependency linkages isn't guaranteed to remain the same |
| [00:09:37] | ward_: | Dibblah ah ok, sorry i was curious |
| [00:09:38] | ** Dibblah likes the /. discussion. ** | |
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| [00:09:53] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: I didn't know about any of that new stuff until I saw the article |
| [00:09:55] | Dibblah: | I agree somewhat – Myth has waaaay too many tweakables. |
| [00:10:09] | Dibblah: | That's because it's partly fantasy. |
| [00:10:10] | Dagmar: | I'm not stupid enough to read what the wanks on /. are posting about it tho |
| [00:10:36] | Dibblah: | There is *lots* of good work going on to get MythUI working right. |
| [00:10:40] | gbee: | shock verdict is that MythTV is up 1 meg, although I'd expect it to drop again before 0.22 and mythplugins hasn't changed which I find hard to believe but maybe more images were added somewhere |
| [00:10:51] | kormoc: | I used to read slashdot fairly often, but I found my life is so much better when it's only a rss feed |
| [00:10:53] | Dibblah: | And when it does, it'll allow lots of stuff. |
| [00:11:27] | Dibblah: | Has any of the old UI been removed yet? |
| [00:11:29] | masterpop: | ok- didn't realise mixing repos to complement would be such a bad thing to do. thank you. |
| [00:11:36] | ward_: | so is annyone familiar with a error 255 on transcoding job that failed? |
| [00:12:07] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [00:12:17] | Dibblah: | Mainly /. is "mythmusic sucks" and "setup is difficult". |
| [00:12:25] | gbee: | Dibblah: in the library? Not much, token amounts here and there, in the individual screens lots and lots |
| [00:12:26] | Dagmar: | THe number itself kinda hints that it might be a useless bit of info and that the actual error code was lost somewhere |
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| [00:13:11] | ward_: | well personally i do think some stuff was not simple to setup for non ITers |
| [00:13:23] | Dagmar: | Well, it's stil a 0.x release. |
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| [00:14:16] | psm321_: | hi |
| [00:14:26] | ward_: | Dagmar thanx for explaining about the rerror code |
| [00:14:34] | ward_: | without the first r :p |
| [00:14:37] | kormoc: | ward_, well, the people who care are free to submit patches to fix things |
| [00:14:52] | Dagmar: | ward_: Are you calling the `transcode` binary externally? |
| [00:14:55] | ward_: | kormoc i cannot program :( |
| [00:14:56] | psm321_: | i just read the /. article on the 0.22 UI, which leaves me with the question: will a UI similar to the current one still be available? (myth has been really good about that so far...) |
| [00:15:20] | kormoc: | ward_, and that's you holding yourself back. |
| [00:15:27] | Dagmar: | ward_: ...or are you just telling Myth "transcode it" and leaving it to sort out the details |
| [00:15:41] | ward_: | Dagmar im going to my recorded video, then i just choose the video to transcode |
| [00:15:42] | kormoc: | psm321_, you mean will the current themes stick around? |
| [00:15:50] | ward_: | and then i choose to transcode it trough the menu |
| [00:16:02] | ward_: | i tried both a standard profile and my own profiles |
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| [00:16:07] | ward_: | all gave the same error |
| [00:16:11] | Dagmar: | Okay, so the problem is likely to be in whatever myth is calling to do the transcode |
| [00:16:19] | Dagmar: | Do you have ffmpeg and transcode installed? |
| [00:16:26] | ward_: | kormoc this maybe hard to believe for you but coding isnt something anyone can learn on their own |
| [00:16:30] | Dibblah: | psm321: There is currently no real change to the UI. |
| [00:16:41] | kormoc: | ward_, sure it is |
| [00:16:41] | Dagmar: | Both of these are actually command line programs |
| [00:16:44] | psm321_: | kormoc: basically... either current themes or similar ones |
| [00:16:47] | ward_: | kormoc i mean everyone sorry |
| [00:16:56] | psm321_: | Dibblah: ok, good to hear, thanks |
| [00:17:11] | kormoc: | psm321_, the plans are to port as many themes as people care to, aye |
| [00:17:22] | psm321_: | i tend to be a ui traditionalist |
| [00:17:24] | Dibblah: | One major step forward would be to rename "video sources" ;) |
| [00:17:30] | ward_: | kormoc nah i cannot learn myself abstract stuff like coding, but ill be starting education again soon, im hoping to learn it there decently from the ground up |
| [00:18:42] | kormoc: | ward_, there's plenty of free resources out there to help, chatrooms to help, tutorials, etc. If a person cared enough, they can figure it out. It might not be easy, but it's not impossible |
| [00:18:52] | ward_: | i had bad luck with previewou study-attempts (laptop in repair for 10 months, the year after i went to another school that was even able to loose my examns and then say i didnt show up to make them) |
| [00:19:05] | ward_: | previous that should have been |
| [00:19:33] | psm321_: | i love that about mythtv... there might be new defaults but the devs always leave in an option to go back to the old way of doing things |
| [00:19:58] | Dibblah: | I don't. |
| [00:20:13] | gbee: | start small, biggest mistake anyone can make when trying to learn something for yourself is to imagine that you can make big changes etc |
| [00:20:14] | Dibblah: | Too many choices are *not* a good thing. |
| [00:20:20] | ward_: | kormoc no most chatrooms ive ever been to about stuff you can learn in school just say "make your own homework" to me, which is why i dont use IRC much anymore, only if anything else fails |
| [00:20:20] | psm321_: | gah |
| [00:20:58] | Dibblah: | Okay. Too many exposed choices are not a good thing. |
| [00:21:07] | ward_: | people aaid that to me when i was jsut an unemployed guy |
| [00:21:10] | Dagmar: | Truly |
| [00:21:11] | ward_: | "make your own homework" |
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| [00:21:14] | gbee: | psm321_: things won't stay exactly the same forever, we're trying to phase out the little used or pointless settings, screens etc to improve things for the majority |
| [00:21:18] | psm321_: | Dibblah: sure... i have no problem modifying the db |
| [00:21:33] | psm321_: | gbee: as long as i can set it in the db... |
| [00:21:39] | ward_: | Dibblah is correct btw, too many choices is bad for useabillity |
| [00:21:59] | ** psm321_ sad to see that attitude here :( ** | |
| [00:22:05] | ward_: | hidden choices meant for advanced users could be a good solution maybe |
| [00:22:33] | Dagmar: | Well, it's bad because gent... er some users like to go through and "customize" and "optimize" everything, and then we get to spend hours trying to figure out why their backend is trying to save all the recordings to a 3.5" floppy disk. |
| [00:22:38] | gbee: | one of the things I want to do for 0.22 is merge most/all of the schedule search screens into one, ~6–10 menu options to just one |
| [00:23:09] | Dibblah: | 0.23. |
| [00:23:12] | Dibblah: | Please. |
| [00:23:16] | Dibblah: | 0.23. ;) |
| [00:23:36] | gbee: | heh, well I have to port them to mythui, might as well kill two birds |
| [00:23:42] | Dibblah: | Heh. |
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| [00:23:48] | gbee: | but we'll see |
| [00:24:12] | psm321_: | Dagmar: i'm guilty of that but i usually end up fixing the problem on my own |
| [00:24:23] | Dagmar: | psm321: You would be in the minority |
| [00:24:31] | psm321_: | having the source rocks :) |
| [00:24:31] | Dagmar: | ...although it's a minority we like. |
| [00:24:36] | kormoc: | Dagmar, and I was wondering what to do with that spare zipdrive... |
| [00:24:46] | gbee: | honestly I suspect that merging them would be fairly simple because of the shared code – those screens are virtually identical to each other |
| [00:26:02] | Lexridge: | Hi all. Does anyone know how mythtv deals with PSIP streams, or for that matter, how can one generate using Linux a PSIP stream? |
| [00:26:55] | kormoc: | psm321_, the main problem with backwards compatibility is typically finding folks interested in doing it. For example, we have a WAP template in mythweb that sorely needs help, and yet noone wants to, but when we discuss dropping it, don't of people want it, but none will update it to work... |
| [00:27:15] | psm321_: | some day i'm going to start asking on the mailing list if theres any interest in any of my custom hacks and maybe clean them up and submit them |
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| [00:27:30] | psm321_: | kormoc: good point |
| [00:27:46] | btQuark: | hello everyone |
| [00:27:59] | btQuark: | i've got some problem with nuvexport |
| [00:28:01] | gbee: | and the code can get very, very messy maintaining a lot of features which only a handful of people use |
| [00:28:08] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [00:28:09] | Dagmar: | I'm already trying to sort out WAP for another site, so no thanks |
| [00:28:12] | btQuark: | it always tells me "no shows found" |
| [00:28:41] | btQuark: | although the files are obviously present and if encoding via interactivemode it works |
| [00:29:29] | Dagmar: | I'll now take a moment to gripe that if people thought this through, they'd use a document templating system on the server side that just collected the data, and then did a bunch of regexps on the template to put it in there instead of trying to pass a bloody huge stylesheet out to everyone including PDA |
| [00:29:47] | btQuark: | funny thing is: when i leave out the --profile part in the commandline it works |
| [00:35:14] | btQuark: | does anyone have an idea on that? |
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| [00:46:10] | Lexridge: | Okay, lemme try a different angle: Does anyone know of any ASI cards that are supported under Linux? |
| [00:47:58] | btQuark: | No matching shows were found. |
| [00:49:59] | Lexridge: | ah, I think maybe I found one: http://www.computermodules.com/broadcast/dvb-asi-pci.shtml I'll bet they are EXPENSIVE!! |
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| [00:55:25] | directhex: | ASI? |
| [00:56:16] | Lexridge: | DVB-ASI |
| [00:56:29] | Lexridge: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_transport_stream |
| [00:57:06] | Lexridge: | It stands for Asynchronous serial interface: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_serial_interface |
| [00:59:22] | Lexridge: | Generally speaking, you feed up to 10 ASI signals into a multiplexer, and you get out a single MPEG2 stream containing all ASI signals with multiple stream IDs. |
| [00:59:39] | gbee: | we're not really talking consumer level kit here are we ;) |
| [01:00:30] | Lexridge: | no, not really. I had a huge problem dropped in my lap today, and was looking for ways for MythTV to perhaps help solve it. |
| [01:01:27] | Lexridge: | That is why I was wonder how mythtv deals with PSIP streams and if it's possible to generate them using GPL software. |
| [01:02:16] | Lexridge: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Program_and_Syst . . . ion_Protocol |
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| [01:02:44] | ward_: | is it possible to set the internal mythtv player to loop a movie? |
| [01:03:37] | ward_: | so that when i play a movie it will loop instead of going back to the menu when its finished |
| [01:05:13] | Lexridge: | I don't think that is possible without using mplayer. |
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| [01:06:16] | gbee: | Lexridge: you can probably guess that we don't hear about ASI very often, frankly this is only the second time that I can remember, I'm no ATSC expert, I'd suggest asking danielk in #mythtv but I do know that we handle PSIP data just not the extent |
| [01:06:55] | iamlindoro: | masterpop, Still here? |
| [01:06:57] | gbee: | ward_: not currently, it would be a very simple addition to make though |
| [01:07:09] | Lexridge: | gbee: It's most likely handed in the v4l drivers I'd guess. Perhaps mythtv ignores it anyway. |
| [01:08:12] | gbee: | we don't ignore it, hell I've debugged memory leaks in the PSIP parsing code so I know it's there, but being in the UK I've only done material work on the DVB code, I haven't so much as glanced at ATSC specs |
| [01:08:25] | iamlindoro: | masterpop, http://rafb.net/p/Z9YBoo31.html — Create a file with the same name as your movie with a .trailer extension, and you can play it from the movie's context menu. |
| [01:08:53] | iamlindoro: | 'Course it's for trunk. |
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| [01:12:02] | Lexridge: | gbee: sorry, misread your last sentence. So it does handle PSIP. That's a good start. :) Is PSIP propriatary or open? I'm under the impression is uses XML data. |
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| [01:13:36] | btQuark: | how can i select different profiles in nuvexport? |
| [01:13:54] | btQuark: | the --profile commandline parameter does not seem to work although its stated in nuvexportrc |
| [01:13:58] | gbee: | Lexridge: that's where I'm of no use, as I suggested before, you'd best talk to danielk22 in #mythtv, he wrote and maintains most of that code |
| [01:14:27] | Lexridge: | gbee: okay, thanks for the info. |
| [01:14:47] | btQuark: | could some one please give me a hint? |
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| [01:17:26] | btQuark: | ...basically nuvexport just does not support it |
| [01:17:29] | Lexridge: | gbee: any idea what times damielk22 is generall online? |
| [01:17:32] | btQuark: | its not in the perl files |
| [01:18:18] | xris: | btQuark: what do you mean.. mythtv profiles or nuvexport profiles? |
| [01:18:26] | xris: | nuvexport profiles work just fine. I wrote them, and use them all the time. |
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| [01:22:29] | btQuark: | hello xris: thanks for your answer |
| [01:22:38] | btQuark: | encoding profiles in nuvexportrc |
| [01:22:51] | xris: | btQuark: the profiles are just collections of (command line) options |
| [01:22:56] | btQuark: | i just grepped all nuvexportfiles |
| [01:23:06] | btQuark: | jup, usefull |
| [01:23:30] | btQuark: | brb |
| [01:23:35] | xris: | you can put whatever you want into them, to group commands... e.g. I have one for exporting mythbusters with different crop options than for mythbusters hd. |
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| [01:23:56] | xris: | btQuark: --profile works just fine for me. |
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| [01:25:20] | xris: | are you trying to do something like select multiple profiles? |
| [01:25:44] | dustybin: | bloody heck mythtv is on slashdot |
| [01:25:51] | xris: | or do you maybe have conflicting settings? e.g. same setting defined both inside and outside of a profile? |
| [01:25:59] | xris: | dustybin: happens every couple of months |
| [01:26:13] | dustybin: | the new ui looks seriously cool |
| [01:27:23] | dustybin: | what scripting language would one need to learn to be able to create a mythtv theme with the new ui? |
| [01:27:49] | xris: | dustybin: yeah.. funny because the screenshots are of third-party themes.... not official (yet) |
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| [01:29:14] | btQuark: | re |
| [01:29:53] | iamlindoro: | Myth Themes aren't a scripting language, they're XML. |
| [01:30:01] | btQuark: | xris: i did define myself some profiles like xvid-high, xvid-low, mp3 and such |
| [01:30:22] | dustybin: | well, ill have to learn XML then |
| [01:30:37] | btQuark: | xris: and plan to invoke them as user jobs via nuvexport --nice 19 --profile=xvid-high --input="%FILE%" |
| [01:30:44] | iamlindoro: | Not really, you'll learn everything you need to know by dissecting existing themes |
| [01:30:57] | xris: | btQuark: you need to make sure that none of the settings within your profiles are also defined by global profiles like <ffmpeg::xvid> etc.. |
| [01:31:01] | iamlindoro: | one tag opens, another tag closes, content within, done |
| [01:31:13] | btQuark: | normal nuvexport works and encodes but as soon as i use profile i only get "no matching shows found |
| [01:31:22] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: ithought there would of been more features with the new ui? |
| [01:31:35] | btQuark: | xris: good point – could you explain why that is? |
| [01:31:43] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, The features are all in the tags. |
| [01:31:50] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [01:31:52] | iamlindoro: | And indeed there are new ones. |
| [01:31:55] | btQuark: | i could probably just comment out all global profiles |
| [01:32:02] | xris: | btQuark: weird.. I've never run into that.. although I'll admit that I use profiles specifically for --title matches and have never tried to override... but I do know that CLI options override anything in the config file. |
| [01:32:08] | btQuark: | but i'ld like to at least have a guess why that happens |
| [01:32:15] | xris: | anyway, sorry to cut short.. late for my bus. |
| [01:32:30] | btQuark: | ok, thanks at lot :D |
| [01:33:16] | Lexridge: | what are the requirments to build mythtv .22, and would it be compatible with a v.21 backend? |
| [01:33:57] | psm321_: | not compatible |
| [01:34:03] | psm321_: | protocol version changes often |
| [01:34:06] | ward_: | gbee would love to see that addition, allthough i could just use mplayer with lirc for what i want (sorry for the late reaction i only check now and then) |
| [01:34:16] | iamlindoro: | And the deps are everything for .21 plus libqt4-dev and libqt4-sql-mysql |
| [01:34:52] | Lexridge: | okay. Simple enough. How stable is it presently? |
| [01:35:12] | iamlindoro: | un |
| [01:35:22] | iamlindoro: | particularly MythVideo |
| [01:35:22] | directhex: | define "stable" |
| [01:35:57] | Lexridge: | directhex: let me rephrase...how often does it blow up while running it? |
| [01:36:07] | iamlindoro: | On a scale of one to clever? |
| [01:36:13] | iamlindoro: | roughly a "dustybin" |
| [01:36:18] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [01:36:22] | clever: | stop that:P |
| [01:36:36] | kormoc: | Lexridge, a fair number of the plugins have open bugs, it has known memory leaks, the frontend crashes for me every two days or so, the telnet interface crashes it... |
| [01:37:02] | kormoc: | Lexridge, you'll need to be able to pull useful backtraces from the crashes and deal with brokeness |
| [01:37:16] | Lexridge: | kormoc: sounds like it's getting close then ;) |
| [01:37:47] | iamlindoro: | "So you're saying there's a chance" |
| [01:37:56] | ward_: | oh btw: it would bo soooo nice to have a live tv button in mythweb, that automatically starts a recording and streams it as flv |
| [01:37:56] | Lexridge: | exactly! :) |
| [01:38:08] | kormoc: | ward_, patches welcome |
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| [01:38:44] | psm321_: | that would be essentially a slingbox right? :) |
| [01:38:53] | ward_: | kormoc well i do have some webdevelopment experience, ill look into it |
| [01:39:18] | kgbzealor_: | I just posted this in ubuntu-mythtv, so sorry if you're seeing this twice: I just recently upgraded Ubuntu from Gutsy with mythtv 0.21 (not fixes) to Hardy (which upgraded me to 0.21-fixes). Now, however, when I run "mythfrontend" in a terminal, it seems to run normally, except that no mythfrontend window appears. The same issue happens when I run mythtv-setup, where everything appears normal, but no GUI ever shows up. Any s |
| [01:39:18] | kgbzealor_: | uggestions? |
| [01:39:51] | psm321_: | put the output from the terminal up on pastebin |
| [01:39:57] | Lexridge: | sard_ that would be a great feature! |
| [01:40:04] | Lexridge: | ward_ that would be a great feature! |
| [01:40:10] | kgbzealor_: | sure |
| [01:40:49] | ward_: | Lexridge the "schoolTV" button :p |
| [01:41:09] | Lexridge: | ward_ the workTV button too :) |
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| [01:41:43] | ward_: | Lexridge if you dont have some thin client :p |
| [01:42:33] | Lexridge: | Iward_ It's actually sort of possible now, but you'd have to jump though lots of clicks and such to pull it off. But, I think it presently could be done. |
| [01:42:50] | ward_: | Lexridge run mythtv on a thinclient lol? |
| [01:43:11] | ward_: | Lexridge a really thick thin client then? :p |
| [01:43:23] | kgbzealor_: | okay, mythfrontend output at http://pastebin.ca/1259919 |
| [01:43:29] | Lexridge: | I wasn't thinking thinclient.....but hell, that might work too lol |
| [01:43:48] | ward_: | lol most can run linux |
| [01:43:56] | ward_: | but not mythtv probably |
| [01:44:07] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: do you have 2 monitors? (or a monitor and tv) |
| [01:44:13] | kgbzealor_: | yes I do |
| [01:44:13] | ward_: | too bad my pda is broken i would love to try a frontend on my pda |
| [01:44:14] | Lexridge: | Well, If I had access to a thinclient, I'd certainly try it |
| [01:44:26] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: and you checked both? |
| [01:44:26] | kgbzealor_: | mythtv fails to pop up a window on both |
| [01:44:41] | Dagmar: | ward_: I think this is the point where we remind you that sid3winder can probably find your house |
| [01:45:17] | ward_: | Dagmar why do you speak for someone else? |
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| [01:45:31] | Dagmar: | I don't know that we can fund free-range eggs to throw, but we'll figure something out |
| [01:45:38] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: sorry i have no ideas, maybe someone else can help |
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| [01:46:11] | Dagmar: | I can't be 100% certain, but most of the regulars in here wouldn't be amused at someone coming for help getting a frontend running on a PDA because it's not the actions of a sane or reasonable person. ;) |
| [01:46:27] | Lexridge: | ward_ The way I do this is by logging in thru mythweb, start a recording, then stream what is recording via flv. |
| [01:46:37] | ward_: | Dagmar did i ask for help? READ what i TYPE then react |
| [01:46:49] | Supaplex: | EFAIL |
| [01:46:49] | Dagmar: | ward_: There's people who hang in here who are dim enough to try it tho |
| [01:47:01] | Dagmar: | Dim or stubborn. |
| [01:47:03] | ward_: | Lexridge yes i do that too :) but it would be nice to have a single button to do all that |
| [01:47:05] | Dagmar: | It's kinda hard to tell with clever. |
| [01:47:05] | Lexridge: | I believe there is a mythtv port for the Sharp Zaurus. |
| [01:47:13] | Dagmar: | I think mainly stubborn with him. |
| [01:47:35] | ward_: | lol i see why people ignore Dagmar now |
| [01:47:39] | Lexridge: | It's a pretty early port however. |
| [01:47:49] | kgbzealor_: | So if I decide to reinstall, would a complete removal + a backed up database do the trick on ubuntu? |
| [01:47:55] | psm321_: | ward_: i thought it was usually the other way around? |
| [01:48:44] | ward_: | Lexridge i know you can compile mplayer for instance for my PDAs xscale, so that would speed things up a bit |
| [01:48:54] | ward_: | also EABI is speeding things up for ARM based pdas |
| [01:49:19] | Dagmar: | The thing would still be woefully unsuited for playing the kind of video the backend would generate. |
| [01:49:25] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh... Just saw the 64-bit flash announcement and set it up on my laptop to test so I could set it up on a friend's system (I installed a 64-bit frontend for him before I realized he /really/ liked YouTube, etc.). Though it will be disabled usually, it will be nice for the occasional "check this out." :) |
| [01:49:31] | ward_: | man if i still had a whole PD i would just try it to tell Dagmar "in your face" |
| [01:49:51] | Dagmar: | You'd definitely want to trancode to a much smaller format before even trying to play |
| [01:49:56] | ward_: | Dagmar it not true lol |
| [01:49:58] | Lexridge: | ward_ you would have to transcode the video to something like 352x240 for it play well I'd imagine |
| [01:50:01] | ward_: | Dagmar vga screen :) |
| [01:50:12] | Dagmar: | ward_: Doesn't mean much. |
| [01:50:20] | Dagmar: | There's more to it than just having a pretty screen. |
| [01:50:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yeah, working okay here |
| [01:50:31] | ward_: | 520Mhz PXA272 with 128MB RAM :p |
| [01:50:31] | ** psm321_ does that res already :) ** | |
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| [01:50:34] | ward_: | what does that mean? :p |
| [01:50:44] | ward_: | pretty neat little thing |
| [01:50:51] | iamlindoro: | It means too slow |
| [01:51:05] | ward_: | ah you tried it? |
| [01:51:20] | Dagmar: | We have PDAs. |
| [01:51:26] | Lexridge: | it is too slow. I cannot make mythfronend run on a 500mhz AMD geode with 2MB ram. It's slow, and drops tons of frames. |
| [01:51:44] | Dagmar: | There some things you don't do on them unless you're a sales droid at a tech show trying to impress someone. |
| [01:52:05] | Dagmar: | Playing videos is one of those things for most PDAs. |
| [01:52:13] | ward_: | i know mplayer plays full vga video smoothly, i dont remember teh details though |
| [01:52:15] | s34n: | I need help getting a hauppauge 250 to capture video |
| [01:52:27] | clever: | Dagmar: i can play transcoded recordings on my pda, but i cant stream them yet |
| [01:52:33] | ward_: | but you can compile it specifically for a PXA270 or 272 somehow |
| [01:52:38] | Dagmar: | Speak the devils name and he appears |
| [01:52:41] | Dagmar: | ...and he's been trying |
| [01:52:54] | Dagmar: | clever: You're on the right track by transcoding them down |
| [01:52:57] | clever: | the mmplayer program can stream, but isnt free so it stops after 60 seconds |
| [01:53:08] | clever: | tcpmp is free and opensource, but cant stream |
| [01:53:16] | Dagmar: | Not to mention it kinda sucks |
| [01:53:23] | ward_: | Lexridge 2MB == 2GB i might hope? lol |
| [01:53:38] | clever: | i got the source for tcpmp and with work i could add streaming and some basic frontend controls |
| [01:53:42] | Dagmar: | I couldn't even get tcpmp to reliable stream a freaking shoutcast the last time |
| [01:53:46] | clever: | but the backend cant transcode on the fly |
| [01:53:49] | Lexridge: | yea, I did mean 2GB DOH! |
| [01:53:49] | Dagmar: | s/reliable/reliably/; |
| [01:54:08] | clever: | Dagmar: i started with some basic stuff, trying to make the pda into a bluetooth remote for mythtv |
| [01:54:19] | ward_: | tcmp worked fine here for internetradio |
| [01:54:26] | clever: | the palm compiler(actualy runs in the pda) totaly lacks #include stuff |
| [01:54:37] | clever: | so you have to type in every damn struct and function you will want to use |
| [01:54:42] | Dagmar: | clever: OUch. I wouldnt' dare even try that one |
| [01:54:42] | ward_: | my pda just ran debian |
| [01:54:48] | ward_: | with a EABI kernel |
| [01:55:00] | clever: | the pda lacks a ; { and }, so you have to tape half the code in with the touchscreen keyboard |
| [01:55:02] | ward_: | so i used gcc |
| [01:55:17] | clever: | after i got halfway thru the bluetooth tutorial, the compiler spewed errors and i cant fix them |
| [01:55:22] | ward_: | yes im not trying to convice people of running it on their pda lol, we were jsut wondering out loud if it was possible |
| [01:55:26] | ward_: | and i still think it is :p |
| [01:55:34] | clever: | one of the functions isnt valid, but its character for character identical to the example |
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| [01:55:41] | Dagmar: | ward_: Possible, maybe. Useful, way worse odds there. |
| [01:55:45] | clever: | ive checked it 20 times with a magnifiing glass |
| [01:55:54] | Dagmar: | clever: Dude, use a cross-compiler. |
| [01:56:00] | Lexridge: | ward_ I've been trying to get RockBox to run on my Sharp Zaurus. Would be cool if I could make it work. |
| [01:56:15] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah thats the next plan, but thats means constantly copying the binary over |
| [01:56:21] | ward_: | crosscompiling doesnt allways work |
| [01:56:30] | Dagmar: | If the PalmOS developers had to enter everything in through scribbles, half their staff would have jumped in front of the MARTA train |
| [01:56:33] | ward_: | not with every package |
| [01:56:43] | kgbzealor_: | psm321_: can you recommend verbosity arguments to maybe give me some hints on my issue? |
| [01:56:45] | clever: | ward_: you shure?, i got qt/linux/windows crosscompiling mixed up in a crazy way and it works:P |
| [01:57:00] | Dagmar: | ward_: There are no "it just doesn't work" issues with cross-compilers. |
| [01:57:06] | ward_: | clever yes as i said, it doesnt work for everything |
| [01:57:12] | clever: | Dagmar: i dont have to use handwriting software, i can just tap keys on a virtual keyboard |
| [01:57:15] | ward_: | Dagmar yes there are |
| [01:57:30] | Dagmar: | No, there's just things done wrong and things not done wrong. |
| [01:57:37] | kormoc: | it's not like there's a end result that they can compare to... oh wait.. there is... |
| [01:57:38] | Dagmar: | ...and a few gcc bugs here and there. |
| [01:57:59] | ward_: | Dagmar yes thats what i mean |
| [01:58:16] | ward_: | Dagmar http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2097004728.html search cross-compiling |
| [01:58:27] | Dagmar: | ward_: I spent the better part of two years doing a lot of cross compiling for a Handspring unit, as well as a lot of stuff for an old HP/UX machine (RISC) and some Sun hardware |
| [01:58:35] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: you could try -v most and see if that gives you any hints |
| [01:58:46] | kgbzealor_: | okay thanks |
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| [01:58:52] | kormoc: | ward_, erm, the key there is, "packages are not correctly set up for cross-build environments" |
| [01:58:53] | Dagmar: | ward_: Dude, you yourself said you don't code. I actually do code. |
| [01:59:05] | Dagmar: | Just this once, take someone's word for something. |
| [01:59:10] | kormoc: | ward_, nothing in there said it was a bug with the cross compile itself, just with their packaging |
| [01:59:22] | ward_: | kormoc did i say that? |
| [01:59:29] | clever: | kormoc: instead of trying to find the 'right' way to cross compile qt+windows on linux, i made my own way:P |
| [01:59:33] | ward_: | kormoc i said it doesnt work well sometimes |
| [01:59:40] | clever: | kormoc: i built qt staticly on windows, then copyed the .a and .h files over |
| [01:59:50] | Dagmar: | "<ward_> crosscompiling doesnt allways work" |
| [01:59:52] | ward_: | too bad you people allways feel attacked |
| [01:59:59] | clever: | then i wrote a custom makefile, using the win32 cross compiler, to link the .a files in and make a win32 binary |
| [02:00:02] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [02:00:09] | kormoc: | enough with this topic |
| [02:00:11] | ward_: | Dagmar well thats what i meant with it, it doesnt allways work by default |
| [02:00:21] | ward_: | dont care anymore |
| [02:00:22] | kormoc: | let's get on to a actual myth topic here folks |
| [02:00:28] | Dagmar: | The problem there isn't with cross-compiling, man. |
| [02:00:33] | ward_: | nobody ansewered my question anyways |
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| [02:00:40] | psm321_: | yeah, help kgbzealor_ guys :) |
| [02:00:43] | ward_: | might aswell leave |
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| [02:00:53] | ward_: | goodbye, thanx to those that tried to help |
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| [02:01:22] | kgbzealor_: | psm321_: what should the missing themeinfo.xml file do? Could that be screwing it up? |
| [02:01:36] | psm321_: | not sure |
| [02:01:59] | psm321_: | i'm not at home right now so i cant look at mine, but i think i get that message myself |
| [02:02:02] | psm321_: | and things work |
| [02:02:06] | psm321_: | not sure about that tho |
| [02:02:17] | kgbzealor_: | yeah, it seems familiar enough to me that I have the same feeling |
| [02:02:55] | kormoc: | themeinfo.xml is a required file for a theme to work I'm fairly sure |
| [02:03:32] | kgbzealor_: | Would it's absence abort any sort of window opening though? |
| [02:03:39] | kormoc: | likely |
| [02:03:55] | dustybin: | do any of you guys remember when you first ever got mythtv working and thought 'wowwwww' it took me about 2/3 days to get it working at first, maybe longer |
| [02:04:08] | dustybin: | think it was .20 |
| [02:04:22] | psm321_: | i think i started around .18 |
| [02:04:30] | psm321_: | or maybe .17 even |
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| [02:04:50] | psm321_: | dec 2004 |
| [02:04:52] | ward_: | one more thing: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=632 |
| [02:04:58] | ward_: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/2695061759/ |
| [02:04:59] | dustybin: | i was using debian sarge at the time, so it might of been .18 for me too |
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| [02:05:59] | psm321_: | i've migrated across lots of different hardware, but still the same basic initial install (db carried over) |
| [02:06:39] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: you could try installing the themes package maybe |
| [02:07:23] | kgbzealor_: | I'll give 'er a try |
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| [02:09:41] | iamlindoro: | Yay -users, asking for patches that don't exist (VDPAU) to be backported to -fixes |
| [02:10:11] | GreyFoxx: | hah |
| [02:10:27] | GreyFoxx: | haven't seen that yet :) |
| [02:10:55] | psm321_: | patches that dont exist? |
| [02:13:37] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, last couple minutes |
| [02:13:44] | iamlindoro: | psm321, There are no VDPAU patches for myth. |
| [02:13:55] | iamlindoro: | so asking if they will make it into -fixes is a silly question. |
| [02:17:38] | kormoc: | they've lived without them this long, a few more months won't hurt them |
| [02:18:51] | sphery: | but, gosh darn it, NVIDIA doesn't seem to support my GeForce 2 card. |
| [02:19:01] | sphery: | Those money-grubbing capitalists. |
| [02:19:20] | sphery: | ^^^ is sarcasm--see the announcement thread on -users |
| [02:19:22] | Dagmar: | WTF form-factor is that card? |
| [02:19:29] | Dagmar: | Oh |
| [02:19:39] | Dagmar: | I was trying to figure out what had gotten into you |
| [02:20:01] | sphery: | I read a bit too much of that thread, and I still can't believe the whiners |
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| [02:20:18] | sphery: | (Guess I've had a bit too much whine, so I'm not acting like myself.) |
| [02:20:20] | Dagmar: | I nearly asked if you'd like to join the rest of the class in 2008 before 1998 gets condemned. |
| [02:20:37] | kgbzealor_: | psm321_ : the themes didn't fix it, but now I have (glass-wide) missing a themeinfo file |
| [02:21:04] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: does it seem to find any themes that arent missing the themeinfo? |
| [02:22:14] | kgbzealor_: | hmm, it's only finding three themes... Ithsmus GANT and glass-wide. I think the themes package may not have installed correctly |
| [02:22:51] | kgbzealor_: | is there a way to restore my ~/.mythtv directory? |
| [02:23:01] | Dagmar: | sphery: Tell 'em to try the 7xx driver |
| [02:23:08] | Dagmar: | er 7x.xx |
| [02:23:23] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: what do you mean by restore? |
| [02:23:25] | Dagmar: | Restore it? |
| [02:23:25] | GreyFoxx: | kgb: ..... do you have a backup of it ? |
| [02:23:36] | kgbzealor_: | sorry |
| [02:24:20] | kgbzealor_: | one of the early things that I tried was to link /.mythtv/themes to /usr/.../mythtv/themes (I don't remember the full path) |
| [02:24:38] | kgbzealor_: | so on its own, I don't have a .mythtv/themes directory |
| [02:24:38] | Dagmar: | Don't do that. |
| [02:24:45] | kgbzealor_: | haha |
| [02:24:51] | Dagmar: | Don't make symlinks in ~/.mythtv |
| [02:24:57] | Dagmar: | It won't fix anything. |
| [02:25:13] | Dagmar: | If they're still there, remove them. |
| [02:25:23] | kgbzealor_: | just did :) |
| [02:25:28] | Dagmar: | You can safely nuke ~/.mythtv, you just might have to run mythtv-setup again, maybe. |
| [02:25:36] | kgbzealor_: | okay |
| [02:25:45] | sphery: | Dagmar: yeah, I was exaggerating a bit. They were mad that their, "PureVideo-compatible" 6x00 and 7x00 card's aren't supported. |
| [02:26:07] | iamlindoro: | Even though Nvidia has NEVER used purevideo in reference to this API |
| [02:26:09] | sphery: | Dagmar: I have a GF7800 GTX that I paid > $500 for, and I don't blame NVIDIA for not supporting it. |
| [02:26:15] | Dagmar: | sphery: They can complain to nvidia. Maybe it'll get them to hurry up and get us a PureVideo API to use |
| [02:26:16] | kgbzealor_: | mythtv-setup doesn't give me a wndow either, though, so is it probably not a problem with my ~/.mythtv |
| [02:26:37] | Dagmar: | sphery: WOW you got screwed on that card |
| [02:26:59] | Dagmar: | What game were you wanting to play? |
| [02:27:29] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: my favorite tactic for weird stuff like this is to try strace'ing it, but i'm not sure how much that would help you unless you have experience with it (and it would be difficult to interpret it remotely due to the sheer volume of output) |
| [02:27:36] | sphery: | actually got it when it was first released and got it for other stuff... |
| [02:27:40] | Lexridge: | Is the Hauppauge HD-PVR linux/mythtv compatable? I'm seeing there is a beta driver, but no myth support yet...or is this an old link? |
| [02:27:51] | kgbzealor_: | yeah, I took a gander at some strace stuff |
| [02:27:53] | Dagmar: | Like, I'm about to upgrade my 8600GT for WoW because it's "a bit framy at times" but I doubt I'll be paying more than $150. I can't imagine paying that much for a gaming card |
| [02:27:56] | sphery: | Never played any games on it. :) Just needed the OpenGL for some stuff. |
| [02:27:58] | kgbzealor_: | any general pointers on what to look for? |
| [02:28:03] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, The only current link is the wiki page |
| [02:28:09] | iamlindoro: | yes, there is myth support in trunk |
| [02:28:34] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: Oh, so only in version .22 so far. Thanks. |
| [02:29:00] | iamlindoro: | yep, and probably no official backport coming, it requires DB changes |
| [02:29:35] | Lexridge: | good reason I guess. Humm, perhaps the HD-PVR would make a fine xmas present to myself ;) |
| [02:29:54] | iamlindoro: | $183 at Dell ast I checked, they were the cheapest |
| [02:29:58] | iamlindoro: | s/ast/last/ |
| [02:30:06] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: Yes, I've promised myself I'll be suprised |
| [02:30:14] | kgbzealor_: | Sorry to post this here (one line) but could this be anything? open("/etc/X11/atiogl.conf", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| [02:30:15] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [02:30:41] | kgbzealor_: | seems to tie a display error into it |
| [02:30:50] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: i doubt it, but dunno |
| [02:30:58] | kgbzealor_: | yeah, I understand |
| [02:31:24] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: do you have a db backup from before the upgrade? |
| [02:31:53] | psm321_: | if so you could try downgrading just mythtv and see if that fixes things... that would tell you whether it was the mythtv package upgrade or soemthing else |
| [02:31:55] | kgbzealor_: | I believe so |
| [02:31:57] | Dagmar: | kgbzealor_: No offense man, but if you can't read strace output, just leave that thing alone |
| [02:32:01] | kgbzealor_: | haha okay |
| [02:32:04] | Dagmar: | It's a tool of last resort even for people who can use it. |
| [02:32:15] | Dagmar: | You've no idea how much more information it gives than you want or need. |
| [02:32:47] | Lexridge: | I just d/led some sample 1080i/720p files, and while mplayer plays them great, VLC just stutters and freezes like crazy! Why? |
| [02:33:11] | Dagmar: | What it's saying is that *X* couldn't find a configuration file for (apparently) some form of GL driver for ATI, which might or might not even be a problem |
| [02:33:25] | Lexridge: | ....are they not using the same codecs? |
| [02:33:25] | kgbzealor_: | does mythtv use some exotic display library to paint its windows? Maybe I could try another program that uses the same method? |
| [02:33:27] | Dagmar: | That's not a file Myth looks for I can promise you |
| [02:33:45] | Dagmar: | kgbzealor_: It uses just "regular ol' X" mainly |
| [02:33:49] | kgbzealor_: | damn |
| [02:33:52] | kgbzealor_: | well good! |
| [02:33:53] | kgbzealor_: | but damn |
| [02:34:00] | Dagmar: | X and GL, and the GL stuff is card vendor agnostic |
| [02:34:11] | kgbzealor_: | hmm |
| [02:34:12] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: Dagmar has a very good point, but if you would like i could try and take a quick look if you can manage to post strace output to pastebin. no idea if i would be able to spot anything (like Dagmar said, it's not the best tool), but i'd be happy to give it a shot |
| [02:34:31] | kgbzealor_: | sure, if you're willing |
| [02:35:07] | psm321_: | and Dagmar, sorry for persisting with it... i've just found that if the problem is really exotic sometimes strace gives a few clues |
| [02:35:07] | kgbzealor_: | what kind of pipe would get me the strace output? |
| [02:35:17] | psm321_: | but i definitely understand your point in general |
| [02:35:34] | Chutt: | is a .oga file just an .ogg file renamed? |
| [02:35:47] | psm321_: | strace mythbackend 2>strace-output (off the top of my head, might not be exactly right) |
| [02:35:53] | Dagmar: | psm321: Yeah but every time (of many) I've gone in with strace, it's turned out that there was some small thing I should ahve seen that would have kept me from wasting a half hour reading 300–500K of strace output |
| [02:35:59] | iamlindoro: | I bet it is, to bring it in line with ogm |
| [02:36:13] | kgbzealor_: | ah yes, that's the ticket |
| [02:36:17] | Chutt: | right, that's what i'm thinking, just indicating audio |
| [02:36:22] | psm321_: | Dagmar: true... but a lot of problems end up being solved with a much more complex method than was necessary |
| [02:36:34] | Dagmar: | I have an idea |
| [02:36:44] | Dagmar: | Can we be a little more specific about "doesn't give me a window" |
| [02:37:09] | Dagmar: | I'm strictly speaking in the interests of keeping anyone from having to look through strace output |
| [02:37:30] | Dagmar: | Does mythtv-setup just quietly exit without giving an error or something? |
| [02:37:33] | psm321_: | good point |
| [02:37:49] | psm321_: | i had assumed that it just hung there but that was probably a poor assumption on my part |
| [02:37:53] | Dagmar: | This seems like it's going to be something straightforward (compared to strace) |
| [02:38:07] | Dagmar: | Heck, it could even be a cookie shortage. |
| [02:38:13] | kgbzealor_: | actually it doesn't exit at all |
| [02:38:18] | kgbzealor_: | it seems to think everything is going fine |
| [02:38:27] | Dagmar: | So where are you issuing this command? |
| [02:38:45] | kgbzealor_: | in a terminal |
| [02:38:52] | Dagmar: | In an xterm? |
| [02:38:56] | Dagmar: | ...or at the text console? |
| [02:39:01] | kgbzealor_: | ummm gnome's equivalent |
| [02:39:08] | Dagmar: | Okay, so gnome-terminal then. |
| [02:39:10] | kgbzealor_: | yeah |
| [02:39:26] | kgbzealor_: | so I enter the command, the output is as posted, then it just hangs |
| [02:39:29] | Dagmar: | OKay. Try this to test our "ability to connect to teh X server". Try running `xterm` instead of mythtv-setup |
| [02:39:37] | Dagmar: | What output? |
| [02:40:11] | kgbzealor_: | it launches an xterm (I forgot to mention, mythtv-setup launches its own xterm, where all the output is) |
| [02:40:35] | ** Dagmar looks alarmed./ ** | |
| [02:40:43] | iamlindoro: | this is *buntu |
| [02:40:43] | Dagmar: | mythtv-setup shoudln't be launching it's own anything |
| [02:40:48] | Dagmar: | Oh god |
| [02:40:51] | kgbzealor_: | uh oh |
| [02:40:52] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup is a script wrapping mythtv-setup.real |
| [02:40:59] | iamlindoro: | yay! |
| [02:41:14] | ** Dagmar makes a note to find a poppit and stick some pins in it ** | |
| [02:41:18] | iamlindoro: | stops the backend, runs mythfilldb and some other jiggery pokery |
| [02:41:51] | kgbzealor_: | yes, it stops the backend, then opens up an xterm with a bunch of nice information, but never gets to giving me a GUI |
| [02:42:00] | Dagmar: | kgbzealor_: Okay, for the moment lets sidestep whatever the hell they were doing that they did a poor job of coding and invoke `mythtv-setup.real` directly. |
| [02:42:16] | kgbzealor_: | no args? |
| [02:42:31] | Dagmar: | Nope. It doesn't generally need any unless you're trying to sidestep a really bad configuration |
| [02:42:37] | kgbzealor_: | okay |
| [02:42:48] | kgbzealor_: | it just gives me that nifty output in the same terminal |
| [02:42:59] | Dagmar: | Like, if you set the themepainter to GL and GL is totally broken, you have to override it to get mythtv-setup to work but beyond that it shouldn't need any arguments |
| [02:43:02] | kgbzealor_: | I'll pastebin it again for throughness |
| [02:43:07] | Dagmar: | OKay, so what nifty output would that be? |
| [02:43:24] | Dagmar: | I scrolled up but I seem to me missing when you posted it before |
| [02:43:50] | kgbzealor_: | http://pastebin.ca/1259953 |
| [02:44:10] | kgbzealor_: | it's a bit different since I removed that symlink |
| [02:44:42] | Dagmar: | Yeah I should hope so since if your user could write to /usr/share/themes/mythtv your filesystem is officially on fire |
| [02:44:54] | kgbzealor_: | haha not quite yet |
| [02:45:01] | Dagmar: | It just quietly stops at that point? |
| [02:45:48] | kgbzealor_: | it quietly continues |
| [02:45:50] | Dagmar: | OH |
| [02:46:07] | Dagmar: | "continues" as in "just sits there doing nothing"? |
| [02:46:26] | kgbzealor_: | yes |
| [02:46:34] | Dagmar: | Frelled |
| [02:46:48] | ** Dagmar thinks hard. You can smell the burning. ** | |
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| [02:47:15] | ** Dagmar erupts in lightbulbs ** | |
| [02:47:21] | Dagmar: | Why are you running that with sudo? |
| [02:47:30] | kgbzealor_: | oh |
| [02:47:38] | Dagmar: | ...and were you running `sudo xterm` before? or just `xterm`? |
| [02:47:44] | kgbzealor_: | just xterm |
| [02:47:57] | Dagmar: | See, there's some cookies in your environment that let X apps connect to the X dispkay |
| [02:47:59] | kgbzealor_: | without the sudo it does the same |
| [02:48:17] | Dagmar: | You shouldn't need to run mythtv-setup as root. |
| [02:48:18] | iamlindoro: | mmm, cookies |
| [02:48:27] | ** iamlindoro goes to the kitchen ** | |
| [02:48:40] | kgbzealor_: | would posting my env help? |
| [02:48:50] | Dagmar: | It might be that there's some dbus giggles happening that's bringing it all to a full stop because of the euid mismatch |
| [02:48:52] | kgbzealor_: | or was that just for my info, and not really the problem |
| [02:49:00] | Dagmar: | No. I don't want to see your environment. |
| [02:49:04] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: i think hes telling you to run it without sudo |
| [02:49:12] | kgbzealor_: | yeah, it does the same thing |
| [02:49:28] | Dagmar: | Basically, at this point if xterm (without sudo) works and gives you another xterm, then you know you can connect to the local display |
| [02:49:42] | Dagmar: | ...if another app doesn't then we have to ask ourselves, what's that app doing that's different |
| [02:49:56] | Dagmar: | Mainly what it's doing is invoking Qt libraries |
| [02:50:42] | Dagmar: | Try `tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log` |
| [02:50:51] | Dagmar: | That'll just get the last few lines out of the log X makes. |
| [02:50:56] | Dagmar: | It might or might not indicate something useful. |
| [02:51:07] | Dagmar: | Do it immediately after having mythtv-setup fail to spawn a window |
| [02:51:16] | kgbzealor_: | ok |
| [02:52:34] | kgbzealor_: | http://pastebin.ca/1259962 I went a bit longer |
| [02:52:38] | kgbzealor_: | looks like a lot of the same erors |
| [02:52:40] | kgbzealor_: | errors* |
| [02:52:57] | Dagmar: | iamOUch. Fail |
| [02:53:03] | Dagmar: | Try glxgears |
| [02:53:27] | kgbzealor_: | ha! nothing!! |
| [02:53:32] | kgbzealor_: | same behavior |
| [02:53:38] | Dagmar: | OKay, so basically, your installation of the ATI GL driver is broken |
| [02:53:43] | kgbzealor_: | hurray! |
| [02:53:45] | Dagmar: | We can get around this (most of the time) |
| [02:54:00] | Dagmar: | ...but you should get someone in #Ubuntu or #MythBuntu to help you fix that eventually. |
| [02:54:10] | kgbzealor_: | okay sure |
| [02:54:18] | kgbzealor_: | the dual monitor thing makes that a weekend affair |
| [02:54:28] | Dagmar: | For the time being, invoking mythtv-setup with an argument (hah! like I mentioned before) to tell it to not use GL will *hopefully* evade the bug |
| [02:54:29] | Dagmar: | mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [02:54:43] | psm321_: | wow, so that strace line actually did end up being relevant :) (note i'm not saying that strace was a good idea, just a funny coinkydink) |
| [02:54:52] | kgbzealor_: | haha |
| [02:54:52] | Dagmar: | psm321: Actually, no. |
| [02:55:06] | psm321_: | oh ok |
| [02:55:12] | kgbzealor_: | ah well |
| [02:55:12] | Dagmar: | X looks for a LOT of crap every time you start up certain apps. |
| [02:55:50] | Dagmar: | There's a file like that for the nVidia driver that is so optional they don't even mention it in the README for the nVidia driver, but some Ubuntu people populate the thing with the wrong info and bugger everything up |
| [02:55:57] | kgbzealor_: | nuts, same behaviour |
| [02:56:04] | Dagmar: | Crat. |
| [02:56:33] | Dagmar: | I wonder if any Qt apps even work |
| [02:56:42] | kgbzealor_: | is pidgin qt? |
| [02:56:51] | Dagmar: | Not normally, no. |
| [02:56:52] | kgbzealor_: | amarok works |
| [02:57:51] | Dagmar: | 0Well, heck. I'm out of ideas other than to say "Fix the X installation" |
| [02:57:54] | kgbzealor_: | yeah |
| [02:58:00] | kgbzealor_: | I'll have to do that eventually anyway |
| [02:58:10] | Dagmar: | glxgears is a good test of whether or not GL works because it's stupidly simple |
| [02:58:12] | kgbzealor_: | I really appreciate all this though folks! |
| [02:58:24] | Dagmar: | Anything to keep people from having to swim through the strace jungle |
| [02:58:28] | kgbzealor_: | glxinfo gives me nothing but name of display, so something's wrong |
| [02:58:42] | Dagmar: | glxinfo isn't generally super-talkative |
| [02:58:50] | psm321_: | kgbzealor_: my offer still stands if you want (probably wont help tho like Dagmar says) |
| [02:58:54] | Dagmar: | glxgears should pretty much ALWAYS give you some sort of image of three gears |
| [02:58:58] | kgbzealor_: | Again, thanks, and I'll reward you by eating dinner |
| [02:59:29] | Dagmar: | It'll either be really, really slow (which means your machine might be from 1993, but more likely that accelleration is broken somehow)... |
| [02:59:33] | kgbzealor_: | thanks psm, but now that I know I have X problems, it's a new avenue of attack, and I'll just come back in a week or so |
| [02:59:44] | psm321_: | ok |
| [02:59:51] | Dagmar: | ...hideously garbled (another issue)... ...or your machine might spontaneously reboot. |
| [02:59:56] | kgbzealor_: | haha |
| [03:00:01] | kgbzealor_: | I'll watch for that too, then |
| [03:00:36] | Dagmar: | *USually* it "just works" |
| [03:00:42] | kgbzealor_: | it used to |
| [03:00:46] | Dagmar: | ...and gives ludicrous frame numbers on most cards |
| [03:00:53] | kgbzealor_: | this is why I upgrade early and often *sigh* |
| [03:01:05] | Dagmar: | So you can get first crack at the broken stuff? |
| [03:01:31] | kgbzealor_: | hehe, actually I just got around to hardy, so I thought things might just work for me |
| [03:01:36] | Dagmar: | For my "playtime" stuff I upgrade as often as time permits. |
| [03:01:39] | kgbzealor_: | but ATI has been against me from the start |
| [03:01:56] | Dagmar: | For my Myth box, I try to do it once a month or less, or whenever I've found a bug that I know a fix is available for |
| [03:01:59] | Dagmar: | It saves pain |
| [03:02:05] | psm321_: | i try to pick days (when i have plenty of free time) when i upgrade everything |
| [03:02:24] | maddcell: | working!!! |
| [03:02:26] | kgbzealor_: | that's also a good idea |
| [03:02:27] | kgbzealor_: | AHHH! |
| [03:02:29] | kgbzealor_: | hehe |
| [03:02:30] | maddcell: | pheeww.. |
| [03:02:40] | maddcell: | now... where the pr0n chans? |
| [03:02:40] | kgbzealor_: | alright, well I'm hungry, and I'll see you fine people later |
| [03:02:48] | Dagmar: | Good luck |
| [03:02:50] | kgbzealor_: | thanks again |
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| [03:03:42] | maddcell: | just kiddin. I don't have a dirty mind |
| [03:03:57] | maddcell: | yoooooo this is amazing!! so damn easy!! |
| [03:04:02] | Dagmar: | If you're on the internet and can't find the porno, we can't help you. |
| [03:04:08] | Dagmar: | Probably no one can. |
| [03:04:30] | maddcell: | lmao |
| [03:04:48] | maddcell: | linux is pr0n |
| [03:05:25] | wagnerrp: | ive linux gets you off... well i really dont want to go any further with that |
| [03:06:03] | Dagmar: | It's like being in New York and saying "Where can I find some filthy sidewalks?" |
| [03:09:19] | wagnerrp: | awesome! nothing on my digital tuner recorded tonight! |
| [03:09:25] | Dagmar: | yay! |
| [03:09:32] | Dagmar: | o.O |
| [03:10:17] | maddcell: | the best thing is that the guy in the wiki uses gentoo :) |
| [03:10:28] | wagnerrp: | awesome! my backend is partially seized and is not accepting new connections! |
| [03:10:30] | qfx: | Suse FTW |
| [03:11:15] | maddcell: | we gentoo users don't need to say FTW |
| [03:11:53] | Dagmar: | We already know what kind of people you are just because you use gentoo. |
| [03:11:54] | psm321_: | whenever i see FTW my mind immediately jumps to fftw for some reason (i know what FTW means but still) |
| [03:12:11] | iamlindoro: | A gentoo user who had no idea how to set up his capture card. Hmm, guess that's like a quadruple amputee marathoner |
| [03:12:35] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Slingshots are considered performance enhancements. |
| [03:12:55] | iamlindoro: | pewwwwwwwww |
| [03:13:01] | psm321_: | at least things work in gentoo :) |
| [03:13:13] | ** Dagmar spews cola ** | |
| [03:13:24] | psm321_: | (note i have no idea how gentoo's myth packages are...) |
| [03:13:29] | iamlindoro: | Things work in all distros if the thing keeping the chair warm has a few brain cells to rub together |
| [03:13:54] | Dagmar: | Not true. |
| [03:14:05] | psm321_: | eh... i know plenty about linux (started on slackware), am a developer in my day job, and still cant get certain things to work in ubuntu |
| [03:14:06] | Dagmar: | You never tried Caldera. |
| [03:14:26] | iamlindoro: | Oh but I did. All you ahve to do is rip out all the... erm... Caldera./ |
| [03:14:35] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [03:14:51] | Dagmar: | Sadly, that's pretty accurate. |
| [03:14:58] | wagnerrp: | no errors in the backend log |
| [03:15:13] | wagnerrp: | but a whole slew of stack traces in syslog |
| [03:15:25] | iamlindoro: | ruh roh |
| [03:15:32] | Dagmar: | That's bad |
| [03:15:43] | psm321_: | wagnerrp: i had my backend seize up this morning because it lost contact w/ my nfs server |
| [03:16:16] | psm321_: | Dagmar: thats actually secretly one of the reasons i wanted to see strace output before i found out it was an x issue... its good for finding hanging system calls |
| [03:16:29] | wagnerrp: | nfs is just fine, im accessing all these logs on the nfs server |
| [03:16:43] | Dagmar: | psm321: I mainly worry about statistics and timesinks |
| [03:16:53] | ** psm321_ just had major major sense of deja vu ** | |
| [03:17:06] | psm321_: | i swear i have seen that exact wording before :) |
| [03:17:08] | Dagmar: | The majority of the time, it's something stupid. Thank god hardware/driver failures that cause deadlocks are about as rare as well, ATI cards under Linux. |
| [03:17:09] | wagnerrp: | 'system_call_after_swapgs' |
| [03:17:14] | wagnerrp: | did i run out of memory? |
| [03:17:43] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if thats what causes me to lose access to my backend every couple weeks |
| [03:17:52] | wagnerrp: | i have 1GB of RAM and no swap |
| [03:17:57] | Dagmar: | Ouch |
| [03:18:00] | wagnerrp: | but i dont see what would be running to exceed that |
| [03:18:07] | Dagmar: | Dude. Surely by now someone's warned you about that |
| [03:18:18] | Dagmar: | OOM killer is not your friend. |
| [03:18:38] | psm321_: | my mythbackend is takind up 868M resident right now |
| [03:18:44] | psm321_: | granted its on a 64-bit system |
| [03:18:46] | Dagmar: | It's like an angry dwarf with an empty fifth of Jack in one hand and a sawed-off in the other |
| [03:18:55] | psm321_: | and my use case is more stressful than most |
| [03:19:10] | Dagmar: | You *always* allocate some disk for swap, even when you're certain you don't need any. |
| [03:19:15] | wagnerrp: | last time i checked, the entire system topped out at about 300MB, the rest was all disk cache |
| [03:19:20] | psm321_: | i dont have any swap |
| [03:19:21] | anenigma_: | 868M resident? geez I'm on 91M resident |
| [03:19:26] | psm321_: | but i have 8GB ram |
| [03:19:37] | Dagmar: | Okay, psm is excused |
| [03:19:53] | anenigma_: | still, howd you get to 86M resident? |
| [03:19:57] | anenigma_: | how many tuners are you running? |
| [03:20:12] | anenigma_: | 868M* |
| [03:20:14] | psm321_: | actually i'm thinking of adding some... since i have tons of free disk space might as well be safe |
| [03:20:15] | psm321_: | 5 |
| [03:20:23] | Dagmar: | He's counting shared libs and cache |
| [03:20:32] | psm321_: | i might be |
| [03:20:34] | Dagmar: | I'ma ctually pretty near that same number by the same measure |
| [03:20:38] | anenigma_: | that's not resident though |
| [03:20:44] | Dagmar: | Sans that stuff, 361mb |
| [03:20:48] | psm321_: | i fully admit that i dont completely understand memory stuff |
| [03:20:52] | anenigma_: | that's virtual |
| [03:20:57] | psm321_: | Dagmar: how do i find said numbers? |
| [03:20:59] | anenigma_: | i'm on ~370M virtual |
| [03:21:06] | Dagmar: | psm321: Type `free` |
| [03:21:13] | anenigma_: | psm321_: I use 'top' to show per process |
| [03:21:38] | psm321_: | anenigma_: yeah i was looking at top ... 868 res, 1462 virt |
| [03:21:45] | psm321_: | 16 shared |
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| [03:22:01] | wagnerrp: | so bigger question.... why would the PVR-150s record, but not the DVB card |
| [03:22:20] | psm321_: | card firmware lockup? |
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| [03:22:38] | Dagmar: | I'm with psm |
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| [03:36:18] | maddcell: | anybody knows why it stuters? like in slow motion |
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| [03:37:50] | maddcell: | it says buffer full dropping frames |
| [03:37:56] | maddcell: | how can I fix this? |
| [03:40:05] | maddcell: | hello? |
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| [03:42:03] | psm321_: | maddcell: what sort of card? and what sort of system? |
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| [03:43:18] | maddcell: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88 . . . 28cx2388x%29 <<--- this one, is a Pinnacle i800 and I am using this command |
| [03:43:51] | maddcell: | mplayer tv:// -tv driver=v4l2:chanlist=us-cable:alsa:adevice=hw.0,1:amode=1:audiorate=48000:forcea udio:volume=100:immediatemode=0:norm=NTSC-M |
| [03:44:43] | psm321_: | so you want to play analog stuff not digital right? |
| [03:45:10] | psm321_: | if you have a slow system you might need to set the card to use a lower res |
| [03:45:25] | psm321_: | not sure how to do that for a dvb card |
| [03:46:03] | maddcell: | I have a athlon 64 x2 with an geforce 8600 and 2GB of ram |
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| [04:41:58] | Lexridge: | Why can mplayer play 1080i/720p files just fine, but VLC just chokes, and stalls, and stutters...etc.? |
| [04:42:31] | iamlindoro: | erm... ask #vlc? |
| [04:42:51] | Lexridge: | good point. I guess I was just wondering if anyone else experiences this. |
| [04:42:55] | iamlindoro: | we're all different media players with varying strengths and focuses, not just GUIs pasted onto the same player |
| [04:43:09] | Lexridge: | yea? |
| [04:43:17] | Lexridge: | but do they all not use the same codecs? |
| [04:43:30] | iamlindoro: | They use (some of) the same libraries |
| [04:43:30] | psm321_: | this is not windows |
| [04:43:32] | iamlindoro: | but that's it. |
| [04:43:34] | wagnerrp: | same codecs, different implementations |
| [04:43:40] | iamlindoro: | The players themselves are utterly unique |
| [04:43:43] | wagnerrp: | and one may be running some form of post processing |
| [04:43:53] | Lexridge: | well, that makes sense. |
| [04:44:02] | wagnerrp: | maybe a deinterlacer, maybe a soften mask, different forms of scalers.... |
| [04:44:28] | psm321_: | i really like that about the OSS players... on windows if one player (other than mplayer,vlc,etc) doesnt play a file, its likely no other one wil either because they all use the same shared codecs |
| [04:44:34] | wagnerrp: | one might use XV, while the other scales in software |
| [04:44:51] | wagnerrp: | psm321_: that is absolutely not true |
| [04:45:06] | wagnerrp: | on windows, mplayer and vlc still like to use their own packaged decoders |
| [04:45:14] | Lexridge: | on windows, mplayer and vlc use built-ins |
| [04:45:25] | psm321_: | note that i specifically said other than mplayer,vlc,etc |
| [04:45:35] | psm321_: | i mean winamp, wmp, mpc |
| [04:45:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, right |
| [04:46:10] | wagnerrp: | well then you just use ffdshow, and then youre using almost identical decoders to mplayer |
| [04:46:20] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: did you ever try avidemux that I suggested a few nights ago? |
| [04:46:45] | wagnerrp: | and you get to take advantage of of VMR hardware rendering |
| [04:47:00] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: no, ive not yet got the chance |
| [04:47:05] | Lexridge: | understood. |
| [04:47:10] | wagnerrp: | havent done anything with video encoding since |
| [04:47:36] | Lexridge: | yea, I too have been busier than a three dicked dog. ;) |
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| [04:50:21] | Lexridge: | I had laid in my lap today that we still need to purchase the aforementioned PSIP BS. That will add about $32k to my already overbudget HDTV upgrades. Fscking govn't! |
| [04:51:03] | Lexridge: | I had never even heard of psip until today. $8000 per station times four....UGH!!!!!! |
| [04:51:24] | Lexridge: | I'm temped to hire a programmer and do it open source. |
| [04:51:48] | Lexridge: | Then release it for free for all television stations. :) |
| [04:52:35] | Lexridge: | it's just simple xml code embedded into an mpeg stream. How hard could that be? |
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| [04:54:35] | Lexridge: | This whole HD upgrade has shown us that this whole shitty thing is nothing more than lobbiests making money from it, with all their BS requirements. |
| [04:55:59] | Lexridge: | license after license after license....then, if you forget one....you are screwed out of another $8k. It's fscking ridiculous! We send our programming data to ten different outlets, and now, we have to BUY it back!!!! |
| [04:57:29] | Lexridge: | What a "legal" scam this is!! |
| [04:58:21] | Lexridge: | sorry guys, just letting off some steam. it's been a really bad week...and it's only Monday....:( |
| [04:59:47] | maddcell: | cpu usage 1% watching tv |
| [05:00:35] | Lexridge: | that's good. I'm at about 14% with a X2 4200 cpu |
| [05:01:38] | maddcell: | mine is 5000 |
| [05:01:54] | maddcell: | amd64 x2 |
| [05:01:54] | iamlindoro: | It's also analog SD, not exactly a challenge |
| [05:02:27] | Lexridge: | madcell: are you running a 64bit linux? |
| [05:02:32] | maddcell: | i'll take on a challange anytime of the day |
| [05:02:41] | maddcell: | yes |
| [05:02:43] | maddcell: | why? |
| [05:03:16] | Lexridge: | only because you specified it was a amd64 x2. afaik, all x2s are 64 bit. |
| [05:03:35] | iamlindoro: | You challenge is go get the actual digital part of your card working and stop wasting time with analog, then install myth properly while thoughtfully and carefully reading the manual, all without returning for help. Go. |
| [05:03:50] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:04:06] | maddcell: | iamlindoro: yeah right |
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| [05:04:37] | iamlindoro: | So getting your card working properly and then reading the manual and isntalling this software is too hard for you? |
| [05:04:44] | iamlindoro: | Man, I didn't even choose a *hard* challenge |
| [05:04:50] | iamlindoro: | <maddcell> i'll take on a challange anytime of the day |
| [05:04:52] | iamlindoro: | So much for that. |
| [05:05:12] | iamlindoro: | "I'll take on a challenge--- so long as it's below average acheivement or lower." |
| [05:05:14] | psm321_: | well digital doesnt necessarily give you as much as analog depending on your service |
| [05:05:59] | iamlindoro: | psm321, Are you talking for the fun of it? Having a digital tuner and then feeling your accomplished something by using the framegrabber is silly. |
| [05:06:04] | maddcell: | iamlindoro: you where trying to get rid off me |
| [05:06:06] | iamlindoro: | s/your/you've/ |
| [05:06:15] | Lexridge: | I cannot pick up any digital signals from here. :( Even with a rooftop antenna and digital stations only 12 miles away. I do have a large hill in the way, however. :( |
| [05:06:20] | maddcell: | but I like the HD challenge, how do I do this? |
| [05:06:22] | iamlindoro: | maddcell, I didn't try to get rid of you, I sent you to the room where they deal with your problem, there's a difference. |
| [05:06:55] | iamlindoro: | Install your card properly this time, then set it up in myth properly. I've already linked you to the wiki page that explains it step by step, no excuses. |
| [05:07:57] | maddcell: | iamlindoro: I said I got it working. just not the hd part |
| [05:08:31] | iamlindoro: | The "HD Part" is the only worthwhile part of that tuner. |
| [05:08:40] | iamlindoro: | The analog part is a crap framegrabber. |
| [05:10:30] | Lexridge: | What kind of CPU is used in HDTV sets with digital tuners? Anyone know? |
| [05:10:55] | iamlindoro: | They don't use CPUs |
| [05:11:07] | Lexridge: | What do they use? |
| [05:11:12] | Lexridge: | GPUs? |
| [05:11:17] | iamlindoro: | no. |
| [05:11:31] | psm321_: | specialized decoder chips probably |
| [05:11:39] | wagnerrp: | ASICs |
| [05:11:43] | iamlindoro: | They have purpose-built hardware. ASICs. |
| [05:11:56] | psm321_: | tho i suspect they probably have a low power generic cpu for menus etc, no? or are those also asics? |
| [05:12:16] | Lexridge: | interesting |
| [05:12:18] | wagnerrp: | probably some very low power RISC chip for that |
| [05:12:53] | Lexridge: | So the OS would be propriatary per maker. |
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| [05:13:19] | wagnerrp: | the 'os' is little more than some basic firmware |
| [05:13:30] | Lexridge: | I just wonder how much Linux is in HDTV sets these days....embedded probably. |
| [05:13:39] | wagnerrp: | maybe a few hundred kb of compiled code |
| [05:13:47] | iamlindoro: | probably very very little linux in HDTVs. |
| [05:13:52] | iamlindoro: | if any |
| [05:13:55] | Lexridge: | so mainly PIC based stuff it seems. |
| [05:13:56] | wagnerrp: | if they used linux, they would have to release the code |
| [05:14:05] | wagnerrp: | they dont want to do such things |
| [05:14:21] | Lexridge: | sure, technically, but how many have not? |
| [05:14:22] | maddcell: | that's not fully true, some TV's use CELL processor |
| [05:14:26] | wagnerrp: | thats why linksys switch from embedded linux to vxworks on their routers |
| [05:15:06] | Lexridge: | well, the best linksys router ever released was the WRT-54GL, and indeed they still make it. |
| [05:15:10] | wagnerrp: | maddcell: i remember sony and toshiba saying that was a future purpose of the Cell, but have they actually done so yet? |
| [05:15:20] | iamlindoro: | There is *absolutely no* reason to put a Cell on a TV, and I doubt there are any |
| [05:16:21] | Chutt: | sure there is |
| [05:16:26] | iamlindoro: | outside of prototypes, anyway |
| [05:16:35] | Chutt: | better decoding, better quality display, better upscaling |
| [05:18:01] | wagnerrp: | the concept was that you could have a dozen or so tuners, and generate all sorts of fancy PIP and simultaneous feeds |
| [05:18:55] | iamlindoro: | sounds pretty gimmicky (although obviously better upscaling/display would be nice) |
| [05:19:01] | Lexridge: | Humm, sounds like the Harris Centrino we just purchased. 32 PiPs on each of four 60' monitors. :) |
| [05:19:21] | Lexridge: | perhaps Harris uses this technology |
| [05:19:35] | wagnerrp: | or have the same capability with a built in UPNP client |
| [05:20:29] | Lexridge: | how does Universal Plug n Play have anything to do with that? |
| [05:20:44] | iamlindoro: | decoding and displaying many feeds at once |
| [05:20:54] | iamlindoro: | live preview of all displayed options on the screen. |
| [05:21:37] | Lexridge: | each monitor is driven with a 3Gb HD-SDI connection (1080p). Can UPnP do that? |
| [05:21:49] | Chutt: | Lexridge, wrong upnp |
| [05:21:55] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge, He's not even speaking about whatever it is you're going on about |
| [05:22:16] | wagnerrp: | im talking about the purpose of putting a Cell in a TV |
| [05:22:20] | Lexridge: | okay, I stand corrected. |
| [05:22:24] | wagnerrp: | not any sort of broadcast monitor |
| [05:22:35] | psm321_: | Lexridge: i'm intrigues by this harris centrino thing... any links? |
| [05:22:43] | Lexridge: | yea, hang on a sec |
| [05:23:52] | Lexridge: | try this link: http://www.broadcast.harris.com/product_portf . . . ?sku=centrio |
| [05:23:56] | psm321_: | and how many millions does it cost? :-P |
| [05:24:06] | Lexridge: | only a mere $71000 |
| [05:24:51] | Lexridge: | but that $71000 also includes a HiDef 32x32 video router with embedded audio. |
| [05:25:43] | Lexridge: | and all at 3Gb/s :) |
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| [05:25:52] | psm321_: | that includes the displays? |
| [05:26:13] | Lexridge: | no way, but the displays are cheap at $1100 per. |
| [05:26:40] | Lexridge: | then another $2 to get the BlackMagic SDI-HDMI converter boxes. |
| [05:28:28] | Lexridge: | The neat thing is, as we expand the router to 64x32, we can PiP 64 inputs on these monitors. |
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| [05:33:54] | high-rez: | lindoro: so why'd you lose interest in it? |
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| [05:34:43] | iamlindoro: | high-rez, I never *had* interest in it, It's a neat toy but I said then (and I'll say now) that I don't have any interest in upnp players. It's a neat piece of hardware but only because it's able to play almost anything without too much trouble. |
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| [05:36:12] | high-rez: | Aye, like the ps3 (which plays content from the hdpvr). I really wish there was something that could do livetv/scheduling (basically a front end appliance) out there. :/ |
| [05:37:03] | iamlindoro: | Should be simple to build a passively cooled, totally silent netboot frontend once VDPAU matures |
| [05:37:47] | iamlindoro: | 9300 integrated GPU, mid-end c2d with passive cooling, external PSU brick, done. |
| [05:39:24] | high-rez: | I'm kinda interested if vdpau is going to support the entire 8xxx and 9xxx line. E.g. i"ve seen nvidia in the past only support good features like this on their higher end gpus. |
| [05:39:35] | Chutt: | read the announcement? |
| [05:39:42] | Chutt: | it had exactly what hardware was supported in it. |
| [05:39:55] | high-rez: | Nope, I've only ready the /. article, phronix article |
| [05:40:04] | Chutt: | good work. |
| [05:40:19] | high-rez: | neither of which actually seemed to point to an actual announcement (didnt think there was one). |
| [05:40:19] | Chutt: | and, "in the past", video acceleration has been added to the lower end hardware *first* |
| [05:40:26] | Chutt: | as it comes out later than the high end stuff |
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| [05:42:00] | high-rez: | I kind of assumed they're doing things different than the past (e.g. using the gpu as opposed to dedicated decode hardware). I always thought the lower transistor count on their lower-end parts allowed for more room to add dedicated video decode hardware. |
| [05:42:11] | kormoc: | high-rez, before you bad mouth the company for their free stuff, might want to read into it... http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-November/063677.html |
| [05:44:16] | high-rez: | Oh, I wasn't trying to bad mouth – i thought it was due to transistor count on the lower end parts that they were able to fit the dedicated hardware. :) Thanks for the link though. |
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| [06:25:54] | t0ny-p40: | Does any one know how to get xfce4 to run a script at login? |
| [06:26:41] | wagnerrp: | are you running startx? or using a login manager? |
| [06:27:44] | t0ny-p40: | a login manager. |
| [06:27:55] | wagnerrp: | gdm? kdm? xdm? |
| [06:28:38] | t0ny-p40: | gdm |
| [06:28:42] | wagnerrp: | seems like you just add whatever commands you want to ~mythtv/.xsession |
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| [06:30:40] | kormoc: | t0ny-p40, http://wiki.xfce.org/tips#how_to_customize_starting_xfce |
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| [06:33:17] | jpabq: | mATX review: http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,665014/Rev . . . s_Intel_G45/ |
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| [06:39:17] | t0ny-p40: | well if I add an xinitrc crashes the server on startup :/ |
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| [06:40:41] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, The most important benchmark for me is rated in "Number of 1080p movies it able to accelerate in linux while I'm watch... per furlong." |
| [06:40:46] | iamlindoro: | s/watch/watching/ |
| [06:41:27] | wagnerrp: | that makes absolutely no sense |
| [06:41:40] | wagnerrp: | maybe fortnight... but furlong? |
| [06:44:38] | iamlindoro: | *sigh* |
| [06:44:50] | jpabq: | hehe |
| [06:44:51] | iamlindoro: | This is what's wrong with the internet |
| [06:46:30] | jpabq: | I watched "direct from the moon" tonight. Pretty good show. |
| [06:47:21] | wagnerrp: | i watched *nothing* tonight |
| [06:47:25] | wagnerrp: | my backend bugged out... |
| [06:48:21] | wagnerrp: | cant seem to find a description of that show anywhere |
| [06:48:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, national geographic |
| [06:50:17] | iamlindoro: | The new star trek trailer rocks my world |
| [06:51:10] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if ill be able to get past the recasting of the crew |
| [06:52:46] | jpabq: | ST has promise. |
| [06:53:11] | iamlindoro: | I haven't seen the last four movies or so-- but this I will see |
| [06:53:26] | jpabq: | Hmmm, Doing my monthly cleanup of schedulesdirect channels. Seems Directv now has Sirius intead of XM. |
| [06:53:40] | iamlindoro: | They merged |
| [06:53:55] | iamlindoro: | It's "XM Sirius" now, doing business as Sirius. |
| [06:56:19] | jpabq: | Yeah, but there are still XM stations and Sirius stations. |
| [06:57:38] | jpabq: | Well, bed time. L8r |
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| [07:03:21] | wagnerrp: | so its 200 years in the future, and he drives a mid '60s Corvette off the side of a cliff |
| [07:03:58] | wagnerrp: | i cant even imagine what that car would be worth at that point |
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| [08:26:19] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: you said something about a script (that uses your mythcommflag patch) in your wiki user page, which one is that? ;) |
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| [08:39:52] | anykey_: | nevermind, found it |
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| [09:31:15] | jduggan: | w00t, nova-s arrived today |
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| [10:57:31] | maddcell: | hi |
| [10:59:34] | maddcell: | is mplayer supposed to tune with uncompressed RAW vide and sound? This is analog channels. I ask because during playback cpu stays at 1% but mplayer has it's buffer filled rather quikc. Then starts stuttering |
| [11:13:19] | maddcell: | hello? this is too quite |
| [11:15:16] | lyricnz: | quiet |
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| [13:00:40] | gbee: | maddcell: ask in #mplayer, this isn't the right channel |
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| [14:06:04] | kslater: | figures that I start seeing articles about myth .22. I'm just finally getting around to moving up to .21! |
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| [14:11:21] | thebishop: | Blu-ray DRM cracked? — http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081117 . . . ncerned.html |
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| [14:15:22] | kslater: | Blu-ray DRM was cracked – news came out a few days back. |
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| [14:31:02] | thebishop: | kslater, awesome! i missed that. so has load&play been achieved or do you still have to rip the whole disc? |
| [14:31:46] | AkhIL: | how I can wath dvd with avi files in mythtv? |
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| [15:05:49] | iamlindoro: | for reference, the open BD+ implementation is far from done, it can only decrypt around five disks currently. So it's a long way from broken in a usable sense. |
| [15:07:16] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: got your patch working with fixes, though it didn't really cut out the things I've told it do, guess I have to debug that :) |
| [15:07:59] | iamlindoro: | anykey_, It sets the cutpoints according to myth's understanding of the frame numbers-- if you are using a) -fixes or b) and old version of avidemux, then they will not agree |
| [15:08:10] | iamlindoro: | especially with interlaced material |
| [15:08:25] | iamlindoro: | progressive should be close to agreeing with each other, though |
| [15:08:38] | iamlindoro: | This is all commented in my script |
| [15:09:53] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, what is up with people that they feel it's okay to add comments to trac tickets about how they think something should be done? If I had wanted it done their way, I would have written it that way! |
| [15:11:07] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: I'm using fixes with latest avidemux SVN (2.4 branch) on progressive material... |
| [15:11:24] | iamlindoro: | So you're using fixes-- can't account for any behaviors in fixes |
| [15:11:46] | iamlindoro: | any issue is with avidemux, seek help from them |
| [15:12:13] | iamlindoro: | my patch has nothing to do with AVIdemux frame reckoning, all it does is generate a project file. |
| [15:12:33] | jams: | iamlindoro- i saw the patches, but don't have the full context. What are you working on? |
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| [15:13:40] | iamlindoro: | jams, Nothing important, just this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5920 |
| [15:15:21] | iamlindoro: | It's like getting feature requests for your feature requests |
| [15:15:27] | jams: | neat |
| [15:16:14] | jams: | somewill will request a utility to create the trailer from the exisiting file |
| [15:16:25] | jams: | someone will request... |
| [15:17:47] | iamlindoro: | That's when I start giving out complimentary kick in the teeth |
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| [15:19:18] | iamlindoro: | I think that I will always strongly resist any request to add MOAR CONGFIGOPTS with anything I do |
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| [15:26:11] | jams: | well really any request that uses the "word" MOAR should be ignored. |
| [15:28:19] | iamlindoro: | I just deleted a snarky trac comment response about it not being a comment forum (including a small diatribe about NOT quoting people's e-mails in the clear---wtf??) and decided it would be best saved for when I upload a new version so that I am practicing what I preach |
| [15:28:52] | iamlindoro: | Like, there's a *reason* TRAC doesn't expose people's e-mail addresses, douche |
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| [15:39:21] | peck: | are there any better gui's than the mythtv backend to edit channels? |
| [15:39:34] | peck: | i wanna hide some, rename some, and possibly add some... |
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| [15:46:08] | gbee: | yes and no, you could try the channel priorities screen in the frontend |
| [15:46:10] | GreyFoxx: | mythweb has an interfac when you can modify many at once and then just submit when your done |
| [15:46:39] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: it's useless because of the POST size limitation, have more than X channels and it simply ignores your changes |
| [15:46:47] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh |
| [15:46:57] | GreyFoxx: | hadn't run into that |
| [15:47:19] | gbee: | spent a whole hour once making changes then "saved" and lost the lot |
| [15:47:47] | GreyFoxx: | might be time for it to show channels in groupsof 50 or so rather than the entire list |
| [15:47:57] | GreyFoxx: | make it faster to render too |
| [15:49:34] | clever: | yes, rendering that many boxes is murder on the cpu/ram |
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| [15:52:42] | gbee: | well tmdb is light on plot info and even lighter on posters right now, but I've faith that if we throw our weight behind it then that will change |
| [15:53:41] | jams: | gbee- just how many channels were you modifing? |
| [15:54:24] | gbee: | jams: can't remember precisely, but it has trouble with Freeview which is less than 100 |
| [15:54:42] | gbee: | and forget the ~300 channels of Freesat |
| [15:56:03] | gbee: | it doesn't just submit the channels you've changed but the entire list |
| [15:56:39] | gbee: | html forms aren't that smart, ajax might help with that |
| [15:57:37] | jams: | that would explain it |
| [15:57:57] | clever: | with ajax you could submit each row as your focus leaves it |
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| [16:01:41] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Especially if there's a clever way to submit the info, the DB should fill quickly |
| [16:04:02] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe I'll write a little script to take anything to do the submissions until it gets into MythVideo proper |
| [16:04:36] | iamlindoro_: | bah, broken sentence--- take anything that's not in TMDB and to do the submissions |
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| [16:56:53] | iamlindoro_: | The MythUI article is making the rounds |
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| [16:57:18] | iamlindoro_: | It's shown up like four different places I read-- Is there anywhere that guy *didn't* submit it? |
| [16:58:42] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq: HAve you dropped the hammer on a 9300 board yet? |
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| [16:59:27] | iamlindoro_: | I've got a couple spare C2Ds and Was thinking of picking one up and slowly throwing something totally passively cooled together |
| [16:59:38] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: what mobo do you use for your backend box? does it have standard PCI slots? |
| [17:01:10] | iamlindoro_: | My backend uses Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6. It has two PCI slots, two PCIe x16, two PCIe x8, and one PCIe x1. |
| [17:01:38] | iamlindoro_: | Four NICs, 10 x SATA, etc., etc. |
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| [17:05:06] | dustybin: | 10 x SATA onboard ? |
| [17:05:11] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [17:05:19] | dustybin: | BLOODY HECK |
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| [17:05:48] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: are you using software RAID ? |
| [17:05:53] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [17:06:27] | dustybin: | with proc are you using on it? |
| [17:06:31] | dustybin: | *what |
| [17:06:53] | iamlindoro_: | Core 2 Quad Q9650 Overclocked to 3.6 Ghz |
| [17:07:08] | dustybin: | jeeze, does this box act as a frontend too? |
| [17:07:12] | iamlindoro_: | Yes. |
| [17:07:24] | dustybin: | aye ok |
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| [17:08:33] | dustybin: | i always get the impression that gigabyte make decent boards, do apple use them to make their mobos? |
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| [17:09:19] | iamlindoro_: | No, apple's stuff is Intel design, built by Foxconn |
| [17:10:08] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [17:11:07] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: you will never need a faster cpu ever again in your life |
| [17:11:13] | iamlindoro_: | It's my first Gigabyte board. I've always been partial to Intel brand. |
| [17:11:31] | dustybin: | any problems with it? stable? |
| [17:11:31] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: It should last a while. |
| [17:11:53] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, stable. Minor growing pains in linux with the NIC, but those have recently been fixed. |
| [17:11:53] | dustybin: | ive always been partial to asus boards |
| [17:13:25] | XLV: | dustybin, atm there are three large pcb makers. asus(asrock), foxconn, ecs, then comes gb, msi.. most others are way behind |
| [17:13:51] | XLV: | now about mb designing, asus and gb are usually the best way to go |
| [17:13:57] | dustybin: | XLV: what the hell are you doing here :P |
| [17:14:05] | XLV: | dustybin, i get around |
| [17:14:59] | dustybin: | XLV: im unable to locate a ASUS P5GC for sale, that board would of been perfect |
| [17:15:45] | XLV: | dustybin, yeah.. also recently asus provided a beta bios that supports most fsb1333 45nm dual cores.. 8300, 8400, 8500 |
| [17:16:07] | XLV: | keep looking, it cant be that hard to get one |
| [17:17:00] | dustybin: | this is the board: http://www.techstore.co.uk/browse.php?a=p&prodLineID=123119 |
| [17:17:22] | dustybin: | pci-e slot for a nice fast sata controller, lots of old pci slots and it supports dual core processors |
| [17:17:25] | dustybin: | perfect |
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| [17:18:52] | XLV: | dustybin, beware that many mb makers lock the peg slot to be able to take nothing other the gpus |
| [17:19:15] | XLV: | dustybin, so if you plan to run a pci-e raid controller on it, you might be surprised |
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| [17:19:59] | dustybin: | eek ok |
| [17:20:09] | dustybin: | not raid, just a sata controller |
| [17:20:17] | XLV: | dustybin, same deal |
| [17:20:20] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:20:27] | XLV: | if its locked, its locked to gpu only |
| [17:20:42] | XLV: | and thats more common for mbs with intel chipsets |
| [17:20:56] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [17:22:25] | XLV: | dustybin, in any case, there are many mbs that have multiple pci-e slots of 4 lanes and more, and 2 pci slots, so if the machine is a server, you'd better get one of those.. pci has little bandwidth for sata controllers or gbit nics anyhow |
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| [17:23:49] | XLV: | dustybin, my server is based on asus a8n sli deluxe.. two gbit nics, one on chipset, one on pci, 4 sata ports on chipset, 4 on sil 3114 on pci, and i have a pci video card in, so i have 2 pci-e 1x and 2 pci-e 8x slots free, for extra pci-e sata controllers, if needed |
| [17:24:15] | ** dustybin makes a note of that board, thanks ** | |
| [17:24:27] | XLV: | dustybin, its just a common nforce4 sli board |
| [17:25:27] | XLV: | dustybin, and with pci-e sata controllers' prices falling, expanding it is easier, as this promise sata card http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=IDE-TX465B&a . . . f90d5a7ca03# |
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| [17:27:36] | XLV: | dustybin, and from some search i have done, seems at least nforce4 sli boards dont lock their pci-e 16x slots to gpus.. i have seen posts on forum of www.storagereview.com of people succesfully running pci-e 4x sata raid controllers on those slots |
| [17:27:54] | dustybin: | Im looking ahead, because i have a spare box for a future mythtv backend, it will require more storage space to support HD, CPU isnt a major issue, but would like something with a bit of power so i can use to for encoding |
| [17:28:53] | dustybin: | XLV: thanks for info :) |
| [17:29:00] | XLV: | dustybin, well, that board is s939, so it can take up to amd x2 4800.. i currently have a x2 3800 on it |
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| [17:30:55] | XLV: | i plan to add some 1.5T hdds to have the movies online, connecting them to sil 3114 controller, since i dont need raid or bandwidth off those.. on the chipset four sata ports, i currently have four wd 640GB with linux soft raid5, they can do ~200MB/s write |
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| [17:31:23] | XLV: | 1.5TB seagate is 180 euro here atm |
| [17:31:40] | dustybin: | bloody heck, there are 1.5TB drives around? |
| [17:32:02] | dustybin: | XLV: speak in hardware |
| [17:32:22] | XLV: | dustybin, yeah, we are quite offtopic ... |
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| [18:14:38] | ** jedi__ wonders if dustybin hasn't been hiding on a deserted island (re 1.5TB drives). ** | |
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| [18:15:53] | wagnerrp: | actually, dustybin is off on some island |
| [18:16:40] | jedi__: | I bet they know about the 1.5 Seagate mess even in Scaguay |
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| [18:35:10] | fnc: | after noon all.. i was thinking about setting up .22 in a vm, i was wondering if someone could recommend which distro to use |
| [18:35:42] | GreyFoxx: | there is no 0.22 |
| [18:35:50] | GreyFoxx: | I assume you just mean trunk ? |
| [18:36:00] | fnc: | right |
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| [18:36:22] | wagnerrp: | you mean what distro you should use in the VM? |
| [18:36:29] | fnc: | yeah... |
| [18:36:31] | GreyFoxx: | Use whatever distro you are most familiar with |
| [18:36:36] | fnc: | was just wondering if some are easier than others |
| [18:36:37] | GreyFoxx: | it wll make no difference |
| [18:37:00] | r3dh2t: | i use fedora, but it's only because i was familiar with it :) |
| [18:37:04] | wagnerrp: | the one you are currently running will be the easiest |
| [18:37:12] | fnc: | i use fc on my be and fe... but just thought something else might be cool to check out... |
| [18:37:43] | iamlindoro_: | If you're looking for easy and don't have a solid idea of what distro you should use in mind, trunk is probably not the right idea. |
| [18:37:52] | fnc: | since i havent gone through the setups on any of the other distros.. didnt know if some were more recommend than others |
| [18:38:31] | wagnerrp: | if you dont mind getting your hands dirty, you may want to investigate putting it in a VServer, rather than a full VM |
| [18:39:01] | fnc: | iamlindoro: its in a vm.. just to play with... |
| [18:39:11] | wagnerrp: | VServers merely isolate processes, rather than fully abstract the machine |
| [18:39:42] | wagnerrp: | they run much faster, can be much smaller, provide much the same benefits |
| [18:39:48] | wagnerrp: | its like an advanced form of chroot |
| [18:40:24] | fnc: | well... i was gunna do this on my windows box... i think vserver is just linux based |
| [18:40:28] | r3dh2t: | Have you guys messed around with the Hauppauge 1212 yet? I'm like to give it a try, but i'm a little scared of compiling things myself. Up until this point i've been strictly an atrpms guy |
| [18:40:36] | wagnerrp: | that is correct |
| [18:40:39] | r3dh2t: | err I'd like to |
| [18:40:53] | wagnerrp: | just call it the HDPVR |
| [18:41:01] | wagnerrp: | no one actually uses the internal model name |
| [18:41:12] | r3dh2t: | ahh okay :) first time on the irc chan |
| [18:41:47] | iamlindoro_: | except for useless jackasses on the users list |
| [18:41:47] | fnc: | is ubuntu good enough? |
| [18:42:35] | r3dh2t: | well I may be a useless j-ass at this point, but i'm trying to get more knowledgable |
| [18:42:47] | iamlindoro_: | Ubuntu will run trunk fine. You can run anything you like, so long as you are following the -dev and commits lists |
| [18:43:01] | iamlindoro_: | r3dh2t: Only speaking of the users list, not of you. |
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| [18:44:11] | iamlindoro_: | r3dh2t: If you are anxious at all about compiling, I strongly urge you to wait on .22, though. The HD-PVR is improving as time goes by, but there are still a few patches that are advisable, and people who aren't very very capable of compiling and troubleshooting themselves only slow that progress with requests for help with branches they probably shouldn't be using. |
| [18:44:55] | iamlindoro_: | My rule of thumb is "If you can compile, set up, and troubleshoot it yourself, go for it. If you need any assistance with those relatively basic steps, better to hold off." |
| [18:45:12] | r3dh2t: | that's probably a good rule of thumb |
| [18:45:41] | iamlindoro_: | r3dh2t: And to be clear again, wasn't meaning to call you a jackass-- there is some pent-up hostility towards some in the users list in this room (rom myself included) |
| [18:45:43] | r3dh2t: | i would like to get to that stage at some point.. perhaps i should take a crap box without a hdpvr, and try the whole compiling thing to see how it goes |
| [18:45:44] | iamlindoro_: | s/rom/from/ |
| [18:45:48] | r3dh2t: | and leave my production boxes alone |
| [18:46:03] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, you *definitely* want to be 100% on it before you go switching production boxes |
| [18:46:45] | iamlindoro_: | There are Mythtv *devs* who won't have trunk on their production boxes, so that should give you some insight on how sure you should be |
| [18:47:11] | r3dh2t: | good tip |
| [18:47:18] | r3dh2t: | what do trunk mean? the bleeding edge code? |
| [18:47:21] | r3dh2t: | err what does |
| [18:47:23] | r3dh2t: | can't type, sorry. |
| [18:47:26] | wagnerrp: | the branch of svn |
| [18:47:27] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [18:47:47] | GreyFoxx: | trunk is the development branch where all code gets commited |
| [18:47:58] | GreyFoxx: | so it varies from minute to minute sometimes |
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| [18:48:56] | r3dh2t: | well i guess i will stick with the masses and eagerly await .22 |
| [18:49:25] | XLV: | heh.. seagate has closed the topic on 1.5TB drives problems on their forums |
| [18:49:49] | XLV: | 7200.11 is fast, but many models face problems |
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| [18:50:16] | XLV: | i heard of a few 500GB 7200.11 that died quickly |
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| [18:55:49] | kormoc: | XLV, like 2 out of my 3 that died in weeks |
| [18:57:10] | XLV: | kormoc, they got 5 year warranty so just keep rmaing them till they get it right |
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| [18:57:22] | XLV: | i got some 7200.10 320 and 500 so far so good |
| [18:58:09] | XLV: | well, not so good, one has died here too... |
| [18:58:34] | XLV: | first hdd death after 6 years or so |
| [18:58:53] | kormoc: | My data is worth more then nothing and shipping and a couple week turn around sucks |
| [18:59:19] | XLV: | kormoc, for data theres at least backup, for lost time there isnt |
| [19:00:06] | kormoc: | XLV, sure, but it's the second drive in a mirror set, so while it's out RMAed, that mirror has no rudency, that's bad... |
| [19:00:10] | jackson__: | doesn't seagate have an express exchange for rma? Like $20 – they overnight a replacement, you send yours in. |
| [19:00:33] | XLV: | here rma is fast, take the hdd to the shop, in a couple of hours, they give you a new one |
| [19:00:36] | kormoc: | yeah, for $15 they'll do an 'advanced rma' |
| [19:00:50] | kormoc: | which means they'll ship one right out, but it's not over-night |
| [19:01:00] | iamlindoro_: | It's fun to pay them for drives that shouldn't have broken in the first place |
| [19:01:06] | kormoc: | and other drive manufacturers do that for free (WD...) |
| [19:01:18] | ** iamlindoro_ has done this 13 times in the last three months. (Never buying Seagate again) ** | |
| [19:01:28] | XLV: | the shop handles the rest of the rma process with local dealer or seagate |
| [19:01:39] | kormoc: | I buy online |
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| [19:03:57] | XLV: | kormoc, yeah.. here they still cant get online buys correctly.. eg i ordered 2 wd 640gb friday.. the fscking courier service got here monday 11am.. like we can be at home at that hour waiting for them, and still pay for the goods.. tuesday, they mixed the doorbells.. all that time, neevr called me on the cell.. so i prefer to go to the shop and get them |
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| [19:08:46] | wagnerrp: | anyone manually built a custom initrd? |
| [19:09:42] | MayberTOo: | not me. |
| [19:10:33] | kormoc: | who streams to a ipod touch/iphone in here? |
| [19:11:02] | directhex: | not for years |
| [19:11:13] | fnc: | kormac are you on avs? |
| [19:11:22] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:11:23] | kormoc: | avs? |
| [19:11:34] | iamlindoro_: | avsforum.com |
| [19:11:39] | kormoc: | don't think so |
| [19:12:07] | fnc: | just thought i had seen your username there.. must be mistaken |
| [19:12:27] | fnc: | has anyone looked at the popcorn hours or ehp-606's? |
| [19:12:39] | kormoc: | fnc, perhaps you've seen kormac, but not kormoc |
| [19:13:16] | fnc: | could be |
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| [19:17:21] | gbee: | there's only one kormoc |
| [19:17:40] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq/abqjp: Just picked up one of the Asus boards, will play this weekend-- if you get one before that I'd love your impressions. |
| [19:17:42] | kormoc: | it's surprisingly almost true |
| [19:18:15] | iamlindoro_: | I went to High School with a kid named Cormoc with a Cee |
| [19:20:21] | fnc: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . norco%204020 |
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| [19:25:46] | MayberTOo: | k, i'm stupid. how do I svn co the latest trunk of mythtv ? |
| [19:26:25] | wagnerrp: | check the wiki |
| [19:26:41] | wagnerrp: | theres directions on the front page |
| [19:27:02] | wagnerrp: | however, if youre struggling getting it downloaded, you may want to rethink using trunk |
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| [19:56:16] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_: I decided to wait on the Gigabyte board. While the Asus has a "fancier" heatsink on the northbridge, too many people are complaining about that chip overheating on the Asus. The Gigabyte board has a simple fin design on that chip, and should be more effective given my CPU heatsink & fan. |
| [19:57:54] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_: I would recommend taking the northbridge heatsink off, and apply better compound to it. That seems to fix the heat problem for those that have tried it. However, no matter what you do, you MUST have *some* air-flow over the northbridge heatsink, or you will have issues. The people have problems where trying to go completely fanless. |
| [19:57:57] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: what hard drive brand are you going to try next instead of seagate? |
| [19:58:50] | abqjp: | dustybin: the Seagate ST31000340NS drives are very good, but they are also more expensive. |
| [19:59:06] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Yeah, I'm going to try to use one or two 80–120 mm fans if possible, set to slowest setting and aimed as best I can over the northbridge |
| [19:59:08] | dustybin: | abqjp: is that the 1TB drive? |
| [19:59:18] | abqjp: | dustybin: yes. |
| [19:59:29] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: I have been very happy so far with the WD 1 TB Green drives-- quiet, stable, and environmentally conscious |
| [19:59:36] | abqjp: | dustybin: that is Seagates "enterprise" series: es.2 |
| [20:00:03] | dustybin: | abqjp: i have 1x ST31000340AS inside my server, i just copied that from phpinfo |
| [20:00:22] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: sounds good |
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| [20:00:31] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: that one with the aggressive unload strategy? |
| [20:00:36] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: I've abandoned the idea temporarily of going totally fanless, will instead go for a single large slow fan |
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| [20:01:04] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: Yes, that's the one |
| [20:01:29] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: Will use an external fanless PSU though |
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| [20:02:52] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: I have one too, it's not a problem if used as mythstorage device |
| [20:03:40] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: Yeah, exactly-- works great for the miniscule amount necessary for compressed video |
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| [20:23:59] | dustybin: | LOL http://www.linuxjournal.com/audio/by/title/clueless_linux_user |
| [20:25:21] | DonLKSAB: | Hi. Anyone tried the Windows port? |
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| [20:28:13] | wagnerrp: | DonLKSAB: yes, unsuccessfully |
| [20:28:47] | DonLKSAB: | Same here :-) |
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| [20:29:49] | DonLKSAB: | Anyway. I can test the Windows build every day if needed. But right now it wont even build. |
| [20:30:20] | DonLKSAB: | How to report that? The mail list? Or as a ticket at the svn site? |
| [20:30:44] | fabd: | hey i've got a problem with mythtv under debian lenny, if i want to change the channel the frontend freezes what can I do to fix it? |
| [20:30:44] | iamlindoro_: | Windows Build seems to go through moderate periods of won't build. Best bet it to catch a revision where the commit log is "Fixed Windows Build." |
| [20:31:22] | DonLKSAB: | iamlindoro And how do i find one of theese? |
| [20:31:36] | iamlindoro_: | By reading the commit logs. |
| [20:31:42] | iamlindoro_: | svn.mythtv.org |
| [20:31:45] | DonLKSAB: | okok |
| [20:32:31] | iamlindoro_: | although it should only not build if you're trying to build trunk, and I hope you have a very good reason if that's the case. |
| [20:33:22] | DonLKSAB: | I used the .bat and .pl scripts. I think it uses the trunk |
| [20:33:44] | iamlindoro_: | The -fixes build script should check out -fixes |
| [20:34:03] | wagnerrp: | my primary issue is that i refused to install active-perl |
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| [20:35:50] | DonLKSAB: | iamlindoro -fixes on what? The .pl script? |
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| [20:36:11] | DonLKSAB: | Wait |
| [20:36:16] | DonLKSAB: | I think i got it |
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| [20:36:23] | iamlindoro_: | This will end in tears |
| [20:36:32] | DonLKSAB: | hehe |
| [20:37:25] | DonLKSAB: | But would it be any help if i reported build errors? |
| [20:37:43] | directhex: | i managed a build once |
| [20:38:01] | directhex: | 3.5 gig of disk space used, unstable as hell, and weird-ass issues like the window title being chinese |
| [20:38:06] | iamlindoro_: | Building on Windows is bad/insane enough when you know Myth back to front |
| [20:38:17] | directhex: | yeah, took me a few days of fighting |
| [20:38:34] | kormoc: | it's how he lost his left leg, right arm, and left eye |
| [20:38:34] | iamlindoro_: | If you don't... well, the odds of your errors being legit go down a great deal if you don't know Myth fairly well to begin with |
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| [20:42:36] | iamlindoro_: | I also seem to recall the verdict on the Windows build from directhex when it *did* build was something to the effect of "too painful to run" |
| [20:42:55] | gregL: | Isaac Richards just posted this in the dev mailing list.... Here's a _very_ preliminary patch that enables very basic use of VDPAU in myth. |
| [20:44:00] | iamlindoro_: | s/in myth/in myth, feel free to apply it only if you know enough about myth and VDPAU to do work on it. This does not mean you, Clever." |
| [20:44:15] | iamlindoro_: | (and for reference, it doesn't include me either ;) |
| [20:44:48] | gregL: | ll wait..:) |
| [20:44:52] | jams: | 52 minutes round trip from irc ->ml->irc not to bad |
| [20:44:57] | gregL: | er ill |
| [20:45:51] | iamlindoro_: | jams: heh |
| [20:46:12] | gregL: | old news? |
| [20:46:24] | iamlindoro_: | 52 minutes old, to be exact ;) |
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| [20:46:35] | iamlindoro_: | although in fairness it's the first time it was mentioned in this channel |
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| [20:46:58] | jams: | true |
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| [20:47:13] | jams: | thats why i kept it generic irc |
| [20:47:18] | iamlindoro_: | 'course, VDPAU in myth will not be late by exactly as many minutes as it takes to respond to all the people who apply it who shouldn't be and start asking questions. |
| [20:47:24] | iamlindoro_: | s/not/now/ |
| [20:48:12] | iamlindoro_: | By my reckoning high-rez has already made it two minutes later than it would have been ;) |
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| [20:48:32] | jams: | hehe |
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| [20:51:39] | iamlindoro_: | jams: The real question is how long does it take to go #mythtv->[mythtv]->#mythtv-users->[mythtv-users] |
| [20:52:01] | fabd: | hey i've got a problem with mythtv under debian lenny, if i want to change the channel the frontend freezes what can I do to fix it? |
| [20:52:46] | jams: | iamlindoro- well thats more effort then i'm willing to put in |
| [20:52:53] | iamlindoro_: | read your frontend and backend logs. If it is a legit freeze (reboot required) then it's almost certainly GPU or Graphics driver issues. If it's just a program freeze, the answer is likely to be in frontend or backend logs. |
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| [20:53:19] | iamlindoro_: | jams: I figure someone out there is viciously tapping a message away at the moment :) |
| [20:53:54] | r3dh2t: | iamlindro: I occasionally have system freezes on my main mythtv box (once a month maybe), how would i go about figuring out a GPU problem? |
| [20:54:38] | iamlindoro_: | If it's once a month and video plays properly otherwise, I would doubt GPU issues. More likely RAM/CPU/other hardware issues |
| [20:54:57] | iamlindoro_: | you can boot off a liveCD and run RAM tests or find some sort of burnin tester |
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| [20:55:12] | r3dh2t: | ooh good idea, never thought about the ram |
| [20:55:13] | r3dh2t: | thanks |
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| [20:55:22] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [20:55:37] | jams: | iamlindoro- sphery doesn't count ;) |
| [20:55:53] | iamlindoro_: | jams: sphery never would ;) |
| [20:58:04] | jams: | heh he is probably already typing a a pre-emptive response for the -users list. |
| [20:58:07] | iamlindoro_: | "Dear mythtv-users... Hy did u hr? We are so gon to the prom w VDPAU." |
| [20:58:18] | jams: | he is very good at cranking out emails |
| [20:58:29] | iamlindoro_: | (where mythtv-users above is the mailing list, not the channel, btw ;) ) |
| [20:58:40] | iamlindoro_: | He is indeed, and entirely too patient for his own good |
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| [20:59:26] | jams: | well enough of that, I will let you handle the situation when sphery reads the backlog =) |
| [20:59:53] | iamlindoro_: | Hey, I defended his honor, you're the one who said he'd be spreading VDPAU rumors on -users ;) |
| [21:00:20] | iamlindoro_: | "jams: heh he is probably already typing a a pre-emptive response for the -users list." HAHAHA, I totally just read that. |
| [21:03:59] | wagnerrp: | attempting to network boot over iscsi... prepare for a world of fail! |
| [21:05:22] | iamlindoro_: | Ugh, I can only assume the guy on the users list who wants to build his HTPC masterpiece has never actually SEEN a Thermaltake Mozart in person |
| [21:05:50] | jams: | is that the one with the 7inch lcd up front? |
| [21:06:19] | iamlindoro_: | No, it's just all plasticky |
| [21:06:40] | iamlindoro_: | They take pictures to make it look sorta brushed metal, but it's not |
| [21:06:45] | Chutt: | the mozart seems rather large, too |
| [21:06:46] | jams: | just searched for it, I have seen it in person |
| [21:06:49] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mundodigital.info/images/thermaltake/mozartml.jpg |
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| [21:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | All that brushed metal looking stuff is flat plastic |
| [21:07:26] | jams: | the local store has exactly one. They mark it down in price every once in a while, seems nobody wants it. |
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| [21:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | yep, sounds like the Campbell Fry's |
| [21:08:09] | iamlindoro_: | I am fairly certain the same one has been in there for 3–4 years |
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| [21:09:39] | jams: | i was looking at the mini-fusion by antec. But then i saw the price tag for it |
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| [21:10:16] | r3dh2t: | haha i have 2 of those |
| [21:10:18] | r3dh2t: | they suck |
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| [21:10:37] | r3dh2t: | the thermaltake mozarts |
| [21:10:43] | r3dh2t: | i bought them when i didn't know any better |
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| [21:12:23] | RyeBrye: | what kind of compositing does VDPAU allow? Can we suddenly have orgies of 3d OSD stuff? |
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| [21:13:03] | iamlindoro_: | "prossibly" |
| [21:13:12] | RyeBrye: | cool :) |
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| [21:13:49] | iamlindoro_: | No idea actually, but it does allow compositing |
| [21:13:58] | RyeBrye: | well, should be nice for basic OSD |
| [21:14:08] | RyeBrye: | I see it does IVTC too :) |
| [21:14:13] | iamlindoro_: | Like all things it will just take someone to a) learn and b) do the work |
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| [21:15:04] | RyeBrye: | Too bad they didn't contribute patches for mythtv like they did for mplayer :) |
| [21:15:08] | whoever: | hi, has anyone gotten the digital tuner on a hauppaug 1600 to recieve cahannles? ( right now i have it hooked up to a digital cable box and have done a full scan on cable QAM-256 with no signal, anyhelp would be appreciated |
| [21:15:43] | iamlindoro_: | Given you can't scan the output of a cable box with a digital tuner, I'd say that's your issue |
| [21:15:57] | iamlindoro_: | Ah, the old "Cable box will decrypt it for me" myth |
| [21:16:39] | iamlindoro_: | Digital tuners are ONLY used to scan the diret output of the wall, and will only allow you to watch channels that are unencrypted (read: NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and religious and sales programming". |
| [21:16:43] | iamlindoro_: | Surprise! |
| [21:16:50] | whoever: | iamlindoro_: I have also tried hooking the tuner to the cable signal out of the wall with no luck |
| [21:17:12] | whoever: | is thdre any other fequencies or trickes to try? (I"m in the US) |
| [21:17:15] | iamlindoro_: | Well better keep trying with that setup, as it's the only one that will ever work w a digital tuner |
| [21:17:38] | iamlindoro_: | us-cable and 256-QAM are generally what you want, but you can try 64-QAM if you like |
| [21:18:08] | iamlindoro_: | outside of that, I suppose there's the outside chance that your cable co is being extra-naughty and encrypting everything, although that's unlikely in the US. |
| [21:18:26] | iamlindoro_: | Best way to check is to scan with a QAM-capable TV and see what you *should* be getting. |
| [21:18:26] | whoever: | ia there is a cable-irc table, i have no clue what that one is for :-) |
| [21:19:39] | whoever: | right now the only digital channles are on cable and satilite here, there are abaut 3 cannles you can get in HD that are in the 1500's but still on the analog frequency |
| [21:19:40] | iamlindoro_: | IRC and HRC only affect channels 2–13 as I recall, and are identical for all the others |
| [21:22:13] | whoever: | iamlindoro_: on the input conection for dvb:0 I have video source time warner, use quicke tunin ,live tv only, unencrypted channels only checked, allow audio only channels. should i change any of those settings |
| [21:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, sounds fine |
| [21:22:41] | iamlindoro_: | (although I wouldn't allow audio only channels, they break things more often than not) |
| [21:22:51] | iamlindoro_: | but wouldn't hurt a scan |
| [21:23:34] | high-rez: | lindoro: I only accounted for two minutes? |
| [21:24:15] | iamlindoro_: | high-rez: Yep, specifically 12:20–12:22 |
| [21:24:43] | iamlindoro_: | (PST) |
| [21:24:49] | high-rez: | Are we talking 11/17 or 11/18? |
| [21:24:59] | iamlindoro_: | Time zone will tell you which |
| [21:25:27] | whoever: | on scan cofiguration I have video saurce = timewarner, input = vvb)[dvbInput], scan type = full, frequency table = broadcast, moulation currently set to Eerrestrial1(8-vsb) (atc channel seperator and exsistipg chanel treatment i don't think matter here) |
| [21:25:36] | high-rez: | Sorry dude, I'll try harder next time. :) |
| [21:25:41] | iamlindoro_: | frequency type is wrong |
| [21:25:43] | iamlindoro_: | us-cable |
| [21:25:52] | high-rez: | Hopefully I can waste a full 5 minutes of time in the future. |
| [21:25:54] | iamlindoro_: | (may actually just be called "cable" these days) |
| [21:26:13] | iamlindoro_: | high-rez: Yes, let's keep valuable new technologies out of our hands, good job. |
| [21:26:28] | iamlindoro_: | whoever: modulations should also be QAM-256 |
| [21:26:35] | iamlindoro_: | s/modulations/modulation/ |
| [21:26:48] | high-rez: | Thanks, I do what I can. |
| [21:26:51] | iamlindoro_: | otherwise that is correct |
| [21:27:03] | whoever: | ok theres us-cable , cable irc high,cable high, stili use us-cable? |
| [21:27:11] | iamlindoro_: | yes, us-cable |
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| [21:27:25] | iamlindoro_: | And most importantly you must WAIT for the scan to complete |
| [21:27:46] | iamlindoro_: | just because you have a channel 2 on your teevee doesn't mean it's at frequency position 2. More likely it's in the 80s or above. |
| [21:29:05] | high-rez: | Is there much contenet on cable-qam (unecnrypted)? I thought it was basically just locals that most people can get ATSC? |
| [21:29:13] | iamlindoro_: | Pretty much. |
| [21:29:44] | iamlindoro_: | sometimes (in my case) there are some "low value" cable channels like CSPAN, the weather channel, nick Jr, etc. |
| [21:30:00] | high-rez: | I'd get a qam card if I could get commedy central. |
| [21:31:05] | iamlindoro_: | They'll be starting the Comedy Central HD rollout in the next month or two, better to find a way to get that (Read: HD-PVR) |
| [21:31:42] | high-rez: | Man, that'll be excellent. |
| [21:31:51] | high-rez: | The HD-PVR is coming down in price. |
| [21:31:57] | iamlindoro_: | Yep, $183. |
| [21:35:12] | RyeBrye: | http://www.livescience.com/culture/081115-tv-unhappy.html&nbs p;– I wonder if DVR counts |
| [21:38:01] | iamlindoro_: | I'm sorry, I was too busy daubing my tears, say what? |
| [21:40:19] | iamlindoro_: | Oh neat, I get 12 new HD channels next Tuesday |
| [21:40:38] | iamlindoro_: | Unfortunately two of them are fox and one is..... QVC? |
| [21:40:42] | gbee: | what percentage worth watching? |
| [21:41:05] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: 7/12 |
| [21:41:07] | gbee: | heh, QVC in HD, now that's entertaining |
| [21:42:10] | iamlindoro_: | Yes = Bravo, Cartoon Network, E!, Encore, FX, Speed, Travel. No = Fox News, Fox Business, QVC, CNBC, Hallmark Movies |
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| [21:42:58] | kormoc: | Look at the dimples on that porcelain puppy! |
| [21:43:28] | iamlindoro_: | I can't even believe QVC *has* an HD channel |
| [21:43:45] | iamlindoro_: | As those are generally not customers concerned with quality |
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| [21:44:22] | kormoc: | it's all for the sleep walkers who only have a hd subscription |
| [21:44:26] | wagnerrp: | what? QVC sells fine merchandise! |
| [21:44:33] | gbee: | sure that HD is only a gimick to draw in more viewers for them |
| [21:44:56] | wagnerrp: | i should call up my cableco and see if they have any intention of migrating channels off analog |
| [21:45:37] | gbee: | "Look it's HD!" yeah, but it's QVC, "But in HD!" |
| [21:46:27] | wagnerrp: | at 480i, you can see the knife. at 1080i, you can see the flaws in the knife from poor forging! |
| [21:47:46] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, and at 1080i you can see the stab wound much better! |
| [21:47:55] | kormoc: | (video mime for the win!) |
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| [22:03:19] | iamlindoro_: | HAhah http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5916 |
| [22:04:39] | wagnerrp: | 'the bug error'? |
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| [22:22:33] | davez0r: | have any of you ever had trouble with watching liveTV from a frontend with a separate backend? mine works, but pauses every few seconds. |
| [22:23:28] | iamlindoro_: | Generally means "something's too slow" Could be network, could be CPU, could be GPU/drivers |
| [22:23:47] | davez0r: | 480 does OK, but anything in 720 or 1080 has this issue. |
| [22:24:02] | davez0r: | the weird part though, is that if it is already recorded |
| [22:24:12] | davez0r: | it plays back flawlessly |
| [22:24:15] | eightace: | network I think – lots of bandwidth |
| [22:24:34] | iamlindoro_: | eightace: No it's not. |
| [22:24:45] | iamlindoro_: | Broadcast is max 19 Mbit. |
| [22:24:58] | eightace: | ok |
| [22:25:04] | iamlindoro_: | And that's seldom what it actually is, more often close to 12–14 Mbit. |
| [22:25:20] | davez0r: | i've been watching for collisions |
| [22:25:21] | tmiw: | meh, I can't really stream HDTV over wifi. |
| [22:25:30] | davez0r: | this is wired 100mbit |
| [22:25:46] | tmiw: | probably not it, then |
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| [22:25:56] | Chutt: | 100mbit can be too slow, depending on how you've got the network setup |
| [22:26:24] | eightace: | how? |
| [22:26:28] | davez0r: | lindoro- the backend is an older machine. Athlon XP 2ghz |
| [22:26:51] | davez0r: | too slow? |
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| [22:27:46] | iamlindoro_: | davez0r: Usually playback related issues are frontend problems-- Anything is possible, but I would look at IO bottlenecking on the backend |
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| [22:28:06] | iamlindoro_: | ie, does the disk performance substantially degrade if reading and writing, and is it enough that it's choking off your stream |
| [22:28:12] | Chutt: | like i said, it depends, but it's not that hard to triple the bandwidth requirements during live-tv |
| [22:28:19] | eightace: | 3Ghz for HDTV is what I heard was needed |
| [22:28:31] | iamlindoro_: | eightace: Whoever said that was out of their minds. |
| [22:28:57] | eightace: | ubuntu forums |
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| [22:29:12] | iamlindoro_: | The *only* time we recommend C2D 3.0 Ghz is when people want a "hard and fast" answer that will play HD-PVR recordings at max bitrate and any conceivable h.264 |
| [22:29:23] | iamlindoro_: | oh, Ubuntu forums. So ignorant/clueless then |
| [22:30:05] | davez0r: | yeah- my frontend is 2.2ghz and does HDTV great, but can't quite hack h.264 |
| [22:30:07] | tmiw: | I can play HD videos fine on my C2D 2.16ghz MBP. |
| [22:30:10] | iamlindoro_: | Broadcast TV in the US is absolutely possible on a 2.4 Ghzish P4, and a C2D 1.8 Ghz can manage European broadcast. |
| [22:30:22] | tmiw: | haven't tried 1080p though, just ATSC broadcast. |
| [22:30:44] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: what about BBC broadcast in the UK? C2D 1.8 ? |
| [22:30:48] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, we used to recommend 3 ghz+ before the days of the core arch (meaing back in the p4 days) |
| [22:30:52] | tmiw: | (by fine, I mean it probably shouldn't be on your lap due to the heat.) |
| [22:30:53] | iamlindoro_: | codec and resolution mean nothing, you can only properly guage what processor is needed knowing a) codec, b) bitrate and c) encoding options used. |
| [22:31:15] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Reports of a C2D 1.86 Ghz being adequate with some work |
| [22:31:27] | dustybin: | good news |
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| [22:31:52] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: Even then, while a safe bet, not the absolute minimum (did US broadcast for a while with a 2.4 Ghz P4) |
| [22:31:55] | tmiw: | FWIW, it actually takes a while to flag commercials on HD stations on the backend box. (Pentium D 2.8GHz) |
| [22:32:21] | tmiw: | recording itself is fine because I use hardware encoders. |
| [22:32:21] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, just pointing out that for a fair bit of time, we were recommending 3ghz+ |
| [22:32:28] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: OK, fair enough |
| [22:32:55] | dustybin: | that was the days before h264, that was mpeg hd ? |
| [22:32:56] | davez0r: | yeah, i had a problem earlier where commercial flagging would fire up and suddenly playback was impossible. So I set flagging to only occur in the middle of the night- problem solved. |
| [22:32:58] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, the only one size fits all answer is that there's no one size fits all answer |
| [22:32:59] | kormoc: | anyone in here have a hdpvr and can snag me a 1 minute clip or so? |
| [22:33:08] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: I have a number of them for you |
| [22:34:00] | gbee: | again, for the record, my 2Ghx AMD x2 handles 19Mbit/s 1080i h.264 |
| [22:34:30] | r3dh2t: | wow that's pretty impressive |
| [22:34:33] | r3dh2t: | i thought it would take something more |
| [22:34:36] | gbee: | however I would still suggest going for ~2.4Ghz |
| [22:35:26] | gbee: | you most definately don't need 3Ghz unless you are talking about single core |
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| [22:35:53] | gbee: | or I guess potentially unsliced material, but even then |
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| [22:37:53] | r3dh2t: | potentially unsliced material? Sorry idon't follow |
| [22:38:01] | davez0r: | yeah what's that? |
| [22:38:04] | davez0r: | unsliced? |
| [22:39:15] | iamlindoro_: | h.264 material can be "sliced" into pieces per-frame to allow multithreading in linux. If there is more than one slice, it can be handled in more than one thread/core. It it is a single slice, you are limited to the oomph of a single core. |
| [22:39:57] | iamlindoro_: | ergo, single sliced material is more difficult to play in linux as it requires high clockrate on an efficient processor. |
| [22:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | Thus the fact that BBC-HD output (multi-sliced) at 19 Mbit is easier to play than HD-PVR output (single sliced) at 13.5 Mbit. |
| [22:41:36] | r3dh2t: | ahhh |
| [22:41:38] | r3dh2t: | that makes sense |
| [22:41:41] | davez0r: | good to know |
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| [22:46:43] | davez0r: | when you hit f7 and see the signal rating, what percentages do you guys get? |
| [22:47:09] | davez0r: | i'm wondering if my choppy playback could be related to a poor signal |
| [22:47:14] | iamlindoro_: | Those percentages are a) meaningless and b) differ from driver to driver |
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| [22:47:20] | davez0r: | lol, k |
| [22:48:04] | iamlindoro_: | Think of it in terms of "What's 100%?" |
| [22:48:35] | iamlindoro_: | is it the maximum amount of signal you can get from a line? (answer: nope) So all the other values become equally meaningless. |
| [22:49:13] | davez0r: | i guess i'm curious if a poor signal can be fixed into a good image via more calculations- but that would require more cpu cycles that I may not have on my frontend |
| [22:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | especially when one driver calls "x" dB 20% and the next calls it 50% |
| [22:50:06] | kormoc: | iamlindoro_, I call 100% the same signal strength as what was transmitted! If only you could know what that was... |
| [22:50:17] | iamlindoro_: | heheh, yes, that would be a good guage |
| [22:50:19] | iamlindoro_: | gauge |
| [22:50:57] | davez0r: | so does the frontend work harder when the signal is poor, or am I inventing stuff here? |
| [22:51:34] | iamlindoro_: | It doesn't work harder, it's just that you're less likely to end up with the intended image/sound |
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| [22:52:16] | iamlindoro_: | digital television employs fairly decent error correction to compensate for poor signal, but when things go bad, they go bad in style |
| [22:52:44] | iamlindoro_: | But you'd know the difference, it wouldn't be stuttering, exactly, you'd see dropouts in the image, corruption, ec. |
| [22:52:46] | iamlindoro_: | er etc. |
| [22:53:29] | iamlindoro_: | There's a certain element of that that seems stuttery, but it's accompanied by image/sound corruption |
| [22:53:37] | high-rez: | (and really messed up sound) |
| [22:53:47] | davez0r: | ok, so its a safe bet that signal is not my issue. the picture is clear and the sound is flawless |
| [22:54:05] | iamlindoro_: | yeah, probably not your issue |
| [22:54:06] | davez0r: | but i drop frames on live TV |
| [22:54:27] | high-rez: | if you never hear something that sounds like cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp – then signal strength probbably isn't the issue. :) |
| [22:54:55] | davez0r: | lol |
| [22:55:09] | davez0r: | i'm gonna run that cmd as soon as I get home |
| [22:55:41] | Gumby: | hi all. I am following a howto on creating debs for mythtv and I think it might be wrong. I am using v4l drivers so does mythtv need to be told how to use them? I've been told to make sure I configure with --dvb-dir=/xxx/xxx/xx however in this guide all it says to do is download the source and build with debuild -us -uc |
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| [22:56:43] | high-rez: | Gumby: It depends if you already have a /usr/include/linux/dvb with headers. If you do, in my experience,. the --dvb-dir=x doesn't work quite right. I usually move the v4l dvb includes into /usr/include/linux/dvb .... |
| [22:59:18] | gbee: | --dvb-dir= is only required if it can't find those headers automatically, if you have kernel devel packages installed then it will tend to find then there etc |
| [23:00:55] | high-rez: | gbee: I think he was saying that he's using updated v4l kernel modules (e.g. not the ones that are shipped with the kernel source/headers), in which case there could be a conflict in the interface specification between v4l headers that came with the kernel and those which which he's using as modules (i could be wrong here : -) |
| [23:01:11] | Gumby: | high-rez: you are correct |
| [23:01:51] | gbee: | right, in which case yes, you need to define that location |
| [23:02:25] | Gumby: | again, this howto created a deb for me to install after patching so I assume all is right there |
| [23:02:28] | gbee: | personally I always patched the installed headers rather than letting the two co-exist on the system, but Ubuntu may preach something different |
| [23:03:37] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_: Have you achieved 24fps playback yet? Not having a PS3, I am trying to decide if I should ask for a Panasonic DMP-BD55K for christmas ;-) |
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| [23:03:54] | high-rez: | gbee: I think there's a bug in defining the location when you have frontend.h in /usr/include/linux/dvb... E.g. I just recently tried not updating the headers and manually specifying the header location and it built against the interface specification in /usr/include/linux/dvb – and not the one I specified. I updated the headers in /u/i/l/d and rebuilt and all was happy. ymmv. :) |
| [23:04:49] | Gumby: | ah sorry, I was wrong. Its not a deb install for v4l-dvb |
| [23:04:56] | gbee: | high-rez: well, to repeat the mantra, open a ticket :) |
| [23:05:39] | Gumby: | it does first remove the v4l drivers though and then replace them |
| [23:05:50] | gbee: | I can't really comment since it's been a while since I needed drivers newer than those supplied with the kernel |
| [23:06:19] | high-rez: | gbee: Yeah, I've been meaning to do that. I've already got one in the queue (5740). |
| [23:07:55] | janneg: | high-rez: configure looks for linux/dvb/frontend.h, so you should use --dvb-path=/usr/include/ |
| [23:08:58] | high-rez: | janneg: I'll have to look at what I was using... I may have messed it up.. I believe it defaults to /usr/include if the --dvb-path is incorrect or doesn't have the right files? |
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| [23:10:24] | jedi__: | hullo all... |
| [23:13:32] | high-rez: | janeg: Aye, I had -dvb-path=~/v4l-dvb/linux/include specified... frontend.h is in ~/v4l-dvb/linux/include/linux/dvb/frontend.h... perhaps it didnt like the tilde. |
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| [23:38:09] | GNovo: | Hi all |
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| [23:38:30] | GNovo: | I'm thinking about setting up a mythtv box, but I have a couple questions about the tuner I'm looking at... |
| [23:38:42] | GNovo: | I'm checking out the HDHomerun... which is a network device with 2 tuners |
| [23:38:49] | GNovo: | Any thoughts on this device? |
| [23:39:37] | GNovo: | Also, is there a max number of tuners per device or is it just hardware limited? |
| [23:40:03] | EnderTheThird: | GNovo: HDHR is awesome. I have one and I love it. |
| [23:40:42] | EnderTheThird: | Only complaint is that it takes 2 coaxial cable inputs instead of splitting one input to 2 tuners (but this way it makes sense for people with 2 different sources for the tuners) |
| [23:41:07] | EnderTheThird: | But I very rarely get any hiccups in the video or anything like that. |
| [23:42:28] | GNovo: | Cool |
| [23:43:00] | GNovo: | you can just put a splitter in just before the HDHR and run it to each input right |
| [23:43:58] | GNovo: | Also, I haven't used mythtv yet... so I'm wondering can you record from both tuners on the HDHR at once? |
| [23:45:33] | EnderTheThird: | Yes you can |
| [23:46:20] | EnderTheThird: | (to both). Be careful how many times you split your cable though. If the signal is too weak coming into the tuner, it can take a little longer to lock the channel and/or you can get additional hiccups in the video |
| [23:46:43] | GNovo: | k |
| [23:47:05] | EnderTheThird: | Once or twice won't kill you, but if you go ape-crazy with splitters you'll probably get more hiccups than you would otherwise |
| [23:47:07] | dustybin: | anybody know what dependancy im missing resulting in this compile error: http://paste.linux-noob.com/index.php?query=2782 |
| [23:47:41] | GNovo: | How about adding another HDHR later... Could I scale it by just adding tuners to record more at once? |
| [23:48:12] | EnderTheThird: | dustybin: not a clue. :-/ seems a lot of people are wanting to compile myth lately (maybe cause of the new GUI article that was on Digg. I know I'm tempted, heh) |
| [23:48:25] | dustybin: | nope this is fixes |
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| [23:49:13] | EnderTheThird: | GNovo: yeah you can add another no problem. Most HD streams are usually 10–20 Mbit/s though, so more than 4 HDHR streams going across a 100 Mbit LAN might be rough. |
| [23:49:29] | EnderTheThird: | But no worries if you have Gbit LAN |
| [23:49:55] | GNovo: | :S... is the HDHR just 100Mb or does it have a Gi interface? |
| [23:49:57] | EnderTheThird: | I think they're 10–20, I'm not sure. Just something to keep in mind if you're talking about getting like 6+ HDHR streams going |
| [23:50:23] | GNovo: | I am on a Gig network |
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| [23:50:35] | GNovo: | So I should be fine |
| [23:50:36] | EnderTheThird: | The HDHR itself has a 100 Mbit port, which is plenty. The bottleneck would be sending all of that through your router to your backend. If you have a Gbit router and connections otherwise, you're fine |
| [23:50:44] | GNovo: | yeah |
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| [23:51:06] | GNovo: | duh... I'm a network engineer... don't know why I didn't think of it that way right away |
| [23:51:57] | EnderTheThird: | Meh, never hurts to check when you're shelling out $160 for a tuner. |
| [23:52:24] | GNovo: | Yeah, sounds like it would be worth it... maybe I should try to get my boss to buy one first :P |
| [23:52:37] | GNovo: | And set it up at work |
| [23:53:04] | EnderTheThird: | A cheap alternative is the Pinnacle 800i tuner. Only $40 (single tuner). I have an HDHR, an 800i, and a PVR 500 (analog cable) |
| [23:53:25] | EnderTheThird: | I get noticeably more hiccups on the 800i though. But if you're on a budget, it's certainly an option. |
| [23:53:31] | EnderTheThird: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Pinnacle-800i-PCI-HDTV-Tu . . . 2|240%3A1318 |
| [23:54:09] | dustybin: | i think it needs some opengl stuff :) |
| [23:54:41] | EnderTheThird: | dustybin: speaking of compiling, you wouldn't happen to know the dependencies for compiling with ALSA support would you? I compiled on my FE no problem, but it's not compiling ALSA support on the BE. |
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| [23:54:57] | jm|laptop: | sofa sogood with eit turned off |
| [23:55:04] | EnderTheThird: | dustybin: And I can't seem to find out what package I need. I'm still using repo versions, but I figured I'd try to compile for S's and G's. |
| [23:55:08] | jm|laptop: | getting xmltv set up was a ballache, mind |
| [23:55:21] | dustybin: | EnderTheThird: if your using debian, do a apt-get build-dep mythtv before you compile |
| [23:55:41] | EnderTheThird: | dustybin: oh yeah. forgot about that option. |
| [23:55:54] | GNovo: | EnderTheThird: I like the network tuner over the PCI... at work we have a vmware esx host cluster... and I would like to put it on a vm... but I don't want to be adding pci cards |
| [23:57:22] | EnderTheThird: | GNovo: Putting Myth on a VM'd Linux instance, or on the host? |
| [23:57:46] | clever: | EnderTheThird: i have a slave backend inside colinux, which is a form of VM, but the thing has no capture devices |
| [23:58:04] | GNovo: | EnderTheThird: A VM'd Linux instance |
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| [23:58:38] | GNovo: | That we we could throw more processors or ram at it if needed |
| [23:59:05] | GNovo: | Just ordered 32GB of ram this week for the cluster :P |
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| [23:59:32] | EnderTheThird: | Gnovo: K. I'm a home user, so I'm not sure how much juice you'd get through a VM for all of that. |
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