Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, November 16th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

troldrik, I think it's a veritable certainty that if one of the core myth devs hasn't already started tinkering with it, they soon will be.

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troldrik:

iamlindoro: For trunk only presumably?

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iamlindoro:

troldrik, I would think so, yes

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Dibblah:

... Since there's a ffmpeg sync in trunk, fairly definitely yes.

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Dibblah:

... It makes backporting it very difficult.

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rhpot1991_laptop:

iamlindoro: what are file sizes like after ripping a bd?

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sphery:

troldrik: and, yes, one of the devs is looking at it (and the devs are trying to decide what to do about the proliferation of vendor-specific API's--though it looks like NVIDIA and ATI may be in because their API's are so similar)

[00:09:05]

RyeBrye:

are there good API h264 api's now?

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mchou:

someone should just wrap their APIs

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RyeBrye:

err nvidia API's that is

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mchou:

normalize ATI and nvidia HW accel

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clever:

mchou: it seems simple to make a generic class in c++ that wraps everything, then subclass it for each driver

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mchou:

clever: that doesnt get around the linking issues

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clever:

add a few -l flags?

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, some examples: http://rafb.net/p/vCWtC115.html

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mchou:

sphery: I'm counting on ATI being vaporware again

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sphery:

mchou: someone did wrap their API's--Microsoft. (I.e. they seem /very/ similar because they oth basically took their DirectX code and used it as the basis of their API's.)

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, Those are film only, btw, no extras

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mchou:

sphery: lol. I meant for linux :)

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mchou:

sphery: at least I'm relieved that I didnt have to build a Windows myth frontend :)

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rhpot1991_laptop:

thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, you are welcome

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mchou:

sphery: cause that would have been the only other viable options :)

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sphery:

mchou: Yeah, I understand your not wanting one of those.

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mchou:

option*

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Whoever:

need help mythtv is not able to probe my hauppaug 1600 i have v46-dvb and the firmware

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clever:

allcodecs.c:(.text+0x239): undefined reference to `h264_vdpau_decoder'

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clever:

allcodecs.c:(.text+0x611): undefined reference to `vc1_vdpau_decoder'

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clever:

allcodecs.c:(.text+0x6c5): undefined reference to `wmv3_vdpau_decoder'

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** clever scratches his head **

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Whoever:

1600 registers in dmesg but myth says can't probe card for inputs

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clever:

./config.mak:HAVE_VDPAU = no

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clever:

./config.h:#undef HAVE_VDPAU

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clever:

iamlindoro: found the root of my problem

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janneg:

clever: configure doesn't find the vdpau includes

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janneg:

if you're trying to compile the patched mplayer

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clever:

thats exactly what seems to be happening

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clever:

what would normaly create those headers?

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janneg:

if you're trying to do something different with the libav* patches, stop it they are useless out of mpalyer

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janneg:

clever: the nvidia driver does

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clever:

i simply ran the checkout&configure&build script

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janneg:

they 180.06 beta driver to be exact

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clever:

and i allready installed the 180 driver

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clever:

180.06 is installed acording to nvidia-settings

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janneg:

manually or some packages?

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clever:

with the binary i got from nvidia.com

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clever:

NVIDIA-Linux-x86–180.06-pkg1.run

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janneg:

clever: find /usr/include -name vdpau.h

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clever:

/usr/include/vdpau/vdpau.h

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clever:

i think i see my problem, i hacked config.h to enable that and now it cant find the x11 dev files :P

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clever:

oops!

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clever:

i blame the core2duo, the cc's ran so damn fast it flooded the configure right off the screen

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iamlindoro:

edit the shell script, add --enable-vdpau

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iamlindoro:

to the ./configure

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iamlindoro:

that's what I seem to recall reading on the nvidia boards a few hours ago

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clever:

forcibly enabling it just brought out another error which was the real source of my problem

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clever:

configure probly shut it off since i didnt have x11-dev

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clever:

but it didnt fully disable it(its got bugs allready!) so the compile failed

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kormoc:

oh christ

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kormoc:

it's a beta release, of course it has bugs

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iamlindoro:

clever, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=123095

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clever:

kormoc: i know i was just having fun :P

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iamlindoro:

you probably ought to read that whole thread

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clever:

iamlindoro: i dont even have firefox installed on this testing system

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clever:

and im used to all the dev headers being there and things jsut working

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iamlindoro:

so read it on another system? Oh, and remember to inhale and exhale

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Led-Hed_:

I'm trying to get my soundcard working in MiniMtyh, but cant seem to figure it out. So I booted the Ubuntu 8.10 LiveCD and sound works find (even SPDIF). I was hoping to copy the settings from .asoundrc from Ubuntu for use in MiniMyth, but I there isn't an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc. Where else should I look for those settings?

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clever:

fresh installs are weird

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iamlindoro:

since apparently you couldn't figure out that little boggle

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clever:

iamlindoro: the bug in configre led to confusing errors 10 minutes later

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sphery:

kormoc: thanks. Any chance you can change the title, too? (To "Allow NIS-format /etc/timezone" would be great.)

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kormoc:

Done!

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sphery:

oops... sent that last message to the wrong channel.

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sphery:

Thanks a lot. Hate to bother you, but figured it would get missed with the title/component where it was.

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kormoc:

Yeah, no worries

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sphery:

iamlindoro: he's already gotten it, but isn't this what the thing you were talking about (asking laga) with the 8.10 Network Manager? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/357512#357512

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Yes, AFAICT

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sphery:

actually, he's gotten it, but he doesn't know how/why it worked this time. :)

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sphery:

guess that's for us IRC-ers to know and for the list-ers to find out.

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troldrik:

Hmm... they're mplayer vo_vdpau doesn't wait for vsync.

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troldrik:

their*

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I've just given it a DHCP reservation so it ends up with the right IP, BUT the major problem with that is NM applet only starts once gdm has

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clever:

it works!!!

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clever:

this 264 file that my core2duo strugled with just hours ago

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clever:

is now playing with 4% cpu usage!!!

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iamlindoro:

sphery, so mysql/mythbackend become very confused

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troldrik:

clever: I did a bluray stream with 3–5%.

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clever:

and thats counting the scp thats copying it over

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troldrik:

It doesn't like x264 encodes very much though.

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clever:

troldrik: i dont even have enough room for a bluray on my /!, its only 900mb

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, that would make starting network-aware apps in boot scripts very difficult.

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clever:

now i want to test it on my production root where i dont have to fight with the rat poison to see the stats

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iamlindoro:

sphery, In a followup to our discussion earlier, I got impatient and switched back to the little windows box in the corner, about a 2–3x speedup versus VMWare

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clever:

iamlindoro: network manager problems?

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

so now it's finishing in 1/9 to 1/4 the movie duration?

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clever:

33

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iamlindoro:

sphery, About right, pulling a gig off avery 45–60 seconds

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iamlindoro:

er every

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clever:

ouch

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clever:

im not shure if i can get that much bandwidth from my ethernet

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kormoc:

I can't justify buying anything HD until I get a combo drive (HD, BlueRay, and DVD) with full linux support. I'm too lazy to do anything other then buy and play

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kormoc:

clever, so you're running 10mbit eh? It's time to get a job and upgrade!

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clever:

kormoc: its 100mbit but ive never had it move so much at once:P

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clever:

1gig moves normaly take 2–3mins on avg

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I think I read something the other day about no more production on the combo drives, so it might be worth getting one when you're flush and sitting on it until you can use it as you like

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clever:

though the fact that im moving the most fragmented recording i have cant be helping

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, ooh? That's sad...

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iamlindoro:

About $100, looks like. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=blu+ . . . 0#ps-sellers

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AndyCap:

is there any more hd-dvd disc production?

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap, nope, Namco Bandai released the last disk in Auguste

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I've tried to stop pre-buying hardware and hoping for support later, always seems to burn me in the end more often then not

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iamlindoro:

er August

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, fair enough

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kormoc:

AndyCap, problem is, there's a fair bit of HDDVD only material out there right now

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iamlindoro:

although the Blu-ray support at least ought to be fairly future proof

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AndyCap:

kormoc: sure, but it won't increase.

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iamlindoro:

and cheap!

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iamlindoro:

from $2-$7ish for material they're just going to put in another container format and release for $30

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AndyCap:

I'd probably get a cheap player instead of an expensive, exotic and possibly brittle combo.

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iamlindoro:

I had thought about getting another xbox 360 HD-DVD drive for a backup in case this one ever burns out and I need to re-rip

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iamlindoro:

They're like $25 now, eheh

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sphery:

That's like 1/5 the cost of an 8-track player

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wagnerrp:

i need to get income in the near future

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wagnerrp:

cant justify buying up cheap HDDVDs until i do

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sphery:

xris: and you can't spell curses without css

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iamlindoro:

I figure most of the films I would eventually end up buying on blu-ray, and you know they're too lazy to remaster the video itself

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wagnerrp:

primarily because im going to have to a massive upgrade once i start ripping them

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iamlindoro:

you're already halfway through that upgrade, you bought your 8400 ;)

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iamlindoro:

get a drive to rip them, done ;)

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wagnerrp:

i mean the backend

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xris:

sphery: true... (you're chattng in the wrong channel, though)

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iamlindoro:

ah, MOAR DISKZ

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wagnerrp:

expanding the current raid with 750s will only last me so long

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wagnerrp:

and the card only has 12 ports

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sphery:

xris: yeah, trying to keep my OT and not helpful remarks out of the dev channel.

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xris:

sphery: ah. sometimes difficult to catch context that way.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: technically there's no(t yet a) --version in mythtv-setup, so the output will almost definitely differ :)

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sphery:

xris: yeah, but since it was no big loss if you didn't catch it--i.e. your missing it would have given you about 3-minutes more time to actually work on the new website :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Good god, that thread is already a train wreck

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iamlindoro:

"Did you patch the code?" "Did you set it up as MPEG-2 card type?"

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sphery:

I didn't read it, but saw a couple of comments that flew in the face of things I've heard here.

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sphery:

I hope the MPEG-2 card type question was a "because you shouldn't"

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sphery:

(and, yeah, the patching the code thing was the one that differed from what I've heard in here)

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iamlindoro:

There, I've done my good deed in that thread for the day

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iamlindoro:

sphery, For reference the reason the IP address "took" for the guy is that he set it in /etc/network/interfaces, which overrides the default NM behavior

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice update...

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sphery:

(for the list on HD-PVR--and for me on NM :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, although he appears confused about it-- only way I know is because he said he "verified" it in /etc/network/interfaces-- with the NM doing its juju that file should be empty except for lo

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clever:

dangit

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clever:

sshd craped itself again

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sphery:

clever: I've never seeh sshd drape itself in silk fabric... That's got to be the strangest bug ever.

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iamlindoro:

Wouldn't that be "creped?"

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clever:

its crashed on that box twice this week

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sphery:

iamlindoro: only if you're French. Crape is the Anglicized version.

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clever:

it seems to be caused by lag in nfs

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clever:

nfs was lagging enough that the sleep 0.2 between digits in lir

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clever:

c

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clever:

turned into 5 seconds

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clever:

which caused the stb to accept the digits seperately

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iamlindoro:

sphery, interesting. I grew up speaking french, maybe I never bothered to learn the english word

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sphery:

Well, patch compiles on trunk, my pizza is in the oven, and my salad is in front of the TV... Time to put Myth to work (and testing the patch will wait 'til tomorrow.)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: In that case, you can use the French version. You're bi, so it's OK.

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iamlindoro:

haha

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clever:

i also grew up with french:P

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sphery:

no, really, bilingual, so you can use either.

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clever:

but i forgot alot of it because i never used it

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yes, I understood ;)

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iamlindoro:

I think maybe I'll try that Legend of the Seeker show tonight

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sphery:

yeah, I just had to pretend there was no entendre (double or otherwise)

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iamlindoro:

Hey, I live in the SF bay area, as far as "real america" is concerned we're all gay anyway

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so you're not waiting for the (I hope they show a) re-run of the initial episodes?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I've got them recorded

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sphery:

how?

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iamlindoro:

It's playing across four different networks here

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iamlindoro:

in constant repeats

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sphery:

you lucky re-run receiver

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iamlindoro:

It just took me a while to figure out which was the premiere

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sphery:

sort by original airdate

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iamlindoro:

Two local small broadcasters, WGN, and fox

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jams:

iamlindoro- doubt you will be blown away by legend of the seeker but it's alright

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iamlindoro:

jams, I have suitably low expectations based on it being from the Xena guy :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Only ones I have on the schedule are Brennidon, Bounty, and Listener. :(

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jams:

i'm waiting for my wife to get off the phone before I start watching this weeks episode

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jams:

yeah it's on par with Xena

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iamlindoro:

sphery, jams: If it DOES have any redeeming value, at least the fact that it's made for syndication means the whole season will run

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sphery:

true

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jams:

i will probably keep watching it. It's certainly better then Beastmaster was

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jams:

the tv show not the movies

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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sphery:

Though knowing my local broadcasters, they'll preempt it for "News Channel 6 Special--Are Your Children Safe At School?" and "News Channel 6 Special--What You Should Know About the DTV Transition"

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iamlindoro:

I am pulling for Whedon's new show

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iamlindoro:

"please don't let fox eff this up"

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sphery:

well, it's on his lucky night...

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iamlindoro:

Don't remind me

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sphery:

:)

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sphery:

So, all these local stations are performing "Live test[s] of the digital TV transition". Isn't that just a nice way of saying, "We're going to shut off analog broadcast for a few minutes tonight at 11:20."

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jams:

on another note go see role models. It's much better then the previews indicate

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sphery:

really... Who'd a thunk? I planned to see it, but only on DVD--and with low expectations.

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iamlindoro:

Paul Rudd is funny, I like him

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jams:

it's pretty good.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, new batman animated show starts tonight

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iamlindoro:

erm.. last night :(

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kkuno:

men, is it possibile to choose more days to schedule with xmltv in mythfrontend?

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kkuno:

mythfilldatabase*

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kkuno:

sorry

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sphery:

mfdb uses the number of days provided by the xmltv grabber

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sphery:

what particular grabber?

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kkuno:

tv_grab_it

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kkuno:

i'll search through tv_grab_it config

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sphery:

Yeah, TTBOMK, it's asking the grabber how many days to get and getting that many.

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sphery:

how many days do you get?

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sphery:

may be a limitation of the listings provider

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kkuno:

I get a week

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iamlindoro:

a week ain't bad for free

[01:59:27]

kkuno:

"Day offset too big. No program information will be fetched."

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kkuno:

if I choose 10

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sphery:

probably a limitation of the provider

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sphery:

and, really--at least if it's anything like in the US--anything scheduled beyond a week is likely to change, anyway

[02:02:28]

kkuno:

my $MAX_DAYS=7;

[02:02:44]

kkuno:

simply I have to change this :D

[02:03:37]

sphery:

Really, people here re-download days they shouldn't because they get the full 14 days of listings, but because those > 1 week often change and because they want "the most current data" even though Myth only downloads tomorrow and (max_days), they re-download everything "because they can"

[02:04:49]

iamlindoro:

I do miss the max days arguement in mfdb sometimes, though

[02:05:02]

kkuno:

well, I want to make a test and see what's happens

[02:05:04]

iamlindoro:

When I *know* something is coming in three weeks and I want to schedule it while I'm thinking of it

[02:05:13]

iamlindoro:

Used to work nicely before it was taken out

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kkuno:

I don't think here in Italy listing changes frequently

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kkuno:

ok it seems that no channel has scheduling > 1 week

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kkuno:

:)

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doje_:

iamlindoro: you still around? I've managed to get this USB-UIRT to work by adding a frequency to the remote and cycling through a bunch of values, but it works like 1 in 10 times. can you reccomend another USB device for IR blasting?

[02:29:24]

iamlindoro:

doje_, The mceusb receiver/transmitter are really popular, that's the only other USB one w/ transmitter I know

[02:30:08]

iamlindoro:

oh, and there's one from iguanaworks too now that I think of it

[02:30:51]

iamlindoro:

This kit works in recent LIRC cvs (and maybe the pacakges from Intrepid too) http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=pinn . . . 7#ps-sellers

[02:31:14]

iamlindoro:

and here's the other http://iguanaworks.net/products.psp

[02:31:24]

iamlindoro:

I have used the former, but not the latter

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sphery:

the iguanaworks one requires running some other program in addition to LIRC

[02:34:01]

sphery:

(for the USB version, that is)

[02:34:03]

doje_:

iamlindoro: thanks for the info. I've been mucking with this thing for days and I think I'm going to punt

[02:34:37]

doje_:

sphery: so do you think the mceusb would be a better choice ?

[02:35:15]

sphery:

I've never used either, actually. Sorry

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kormoc:

doje_, I use the mceusb, works perfectly, I love it

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doje_:

oh yeah, do you know what kernel and lirc versions you're runing ?

[02:53:00]

kormoc:

2.6.24.1 and 0.8.4

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doje_:

I've got 2.6.27 and 0.8.3 – I could install 0.8.4 I guess if I had to

[02:55:10]

doje_:

kormoc: it's only 30 bucks from newegg, I'll try it. Thanks :-)

[02:55:47]

kormoc:

G'luck

[02:55:54]

doje_:

thanks again

[02:57:24]

doje_:

kormoc: gah! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . m-_-15144019

[02:57:49]

doje_:

read the first review

[02:58:04]

kormoc:

that's not the one I have

[02:58:17]

doje_:

ah

[02:58:46]

kormoc:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100851

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doje_:

kormoc: who makes the one you've got?

[02:59:18]

kormoc:

Microsoft

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doje_:

kormoc: cool. i'm ordering it now

[03:00:52]

doje_:

oh wait, out of stock

[03:01:19]

kormoc:

yeah, and pc alchemy is out of stock as well

[03:02:01]

Whoever:

hi all need some help with v4l-dvb on arch

[03:02:35]

doje_:

kormoc: oh well. I guess i'll work on X10 for a while :(

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iamlindoro:

doje_, that review is out of date/wrong

[03:03:26]

iamlindoro:

From almost a year ago

[03:03:39]

iamlindoro:

support for the pinnacle mceusb *is* included in current lirc cvs

[03:04:07]

iamlindoro:

and if you wanted to patch an old version, it's a simple three line change: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/304692#304692

[03:04:08]

doje_:

iamlindoro: ah ok. by cvs, you mean not in 8.4 ?

[03:04:19]

doje_:

iamlindoro: ah, ok

[03:04:53]

iamlindoro:

I mean whatever their current development version is, but if .8.4 is relatively recent then it ought to be in there

[03:05:06]

iamlindoro:

IIRC it was added quite some time ago

[03:05:37]

doje_:

kormoc says it's working with 8.4 actually

[03:05:38]

iamlindoro:

yes, based on the date (last month), should be fine with .8.4

[03:07:21]

doje_:

when I actually had this usb-uirt working, it was with two versions of lirc running on the system – i can do that again if need be

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iamlindoro:

Oh yay, always a pleasure to have mdadm decide a disk that is sitting right there has been removed

[03:14:27]

kormoc:

doje_, well, I said the Microsoft one is working in 0.8.4, no idea bout the pinnacle one

[03:14:35]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, unless it failed?

[03:15:02]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, *looks* like it's okay but I've definitely got my eye on it (Seagate grumble grumble...)

[03:15:57]

iamlindoro:

I think maybe I'll swap these WD greens in over the next few paychecks, they seem really nice/quiet/stable so far

[03:16:38]

doje_:

I had been buying Seagate because the warrany is five yrs on them

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kormoc:

doje_, WD has 5 years on their better drives

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iamlindoro:

sphery, *so called it* on that HD-PVR thread

[03:17:31]

doje_:

really, ok. i've noticed some smart warning already on one the 750gb drives

[03:17:44]

iamlindoro:

The ol' "two copies of myth/trunk installed over existing copy"

[03:17:46]

doje_:

unreadable sectors I thnk

[03:18:06]

kormoc:

doje_, http://support.wdc.com/warranty/policy.asp#policy

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice...

[03:19:04]

doje_:

you all using raid ?

[03:19:12]

sphery:

kormoc: should I give doje_ the link to Seagate's, "Your tools aren't good enough to interpret our SMART data," FAQ :)

[03:19:24]

kormoc:

sphery, Sure! :P

[03:19:26]

doje_:

lol

[03:19:28]

kormoc:

That made my day

[03:19:33]

** kormoc shakes his head sadly **

[03:19:40]

iamlindoro:

Wha? So what good is it then?

[03:19:52]

kormoc:

doje_, Aye, I'm using raid for anything that's important, and rotating external backups as well

[03:20:10]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, they have a utility to check the drive for ya, it's a bootable ISO

[03:20:18]

doje_:

translation: a) our smart data isn't compliant b) our drives suck

[03:20:21]

iamlindoro:

oh. um... helpful?

[03:20:38]

kormoc:

yeah, it's great!

[03:20:41]

iamlindoro:

except for the whole "not actually catching it when it matters" thing

[03:20:55]

** kormoc won't buy seagate for internal drives again **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Only people who are SMARTer than I could tell you...

[03:21:02]

** kormoc groans **

[03:21:03]

sphery:

http://seagate.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/seagate.c . . . p_faqid=5157

[03:21:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery, If only you were more right-headed

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doje_:

bootable ISO, nice. Hitachi told me I had to use a floppy, what pita

[03:21:41]

sphery:

yeah, I'm not at all right-thinking

[03:21:53]

sphery:

I was told so on the list, so it must be true.

[03:22:02]

iamlindoro:

Oh, so it's good enough to tell you E_IAMBROKEN, but not good enough for your silly open software to understand

[03:22:11]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, aye

[03:22:51]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though if you get a FAIL, you're still supposed to run SeaTools to make sure

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sphery:

"It can fix most hard drive errors."

[03:23:16]

kormoc:

now what sucks is WD's NCQ seems to be broken for me

[03:23:22]

iamlindoro:

"Dear user, if you had only booted up our custom CD a few hours ago, I might have been able to tell you I was in a pre-fail condition. Now I am broken. In place of your child's first steps, please enjoy this screeching sound. Thank you for choosing Seagate."

[03:23:23]

kormoc:

which is why I wanted to give seagate a try

[03:23:32]

kormoc:

but working SMART > working NCQ

[03:23:45]

sphery:

what's NCQ?

[03:23:56]

sphery:

noise cancelling quiet?

[03:24:04]

kormoc:

Native Command Queuing

[03:24:09]

kormoc:

it's a performance enhancement

[03:24:11]

sphery:

Oh. That sounds better.

[03:24:30]

kormoc:

the drive will queue up a few reads/writes and execute them out of order based on head location prediction

[03:24:45]

kormoc:

but keep the map in cache so it looks to the OS as it's happy

[03:24:46]

sphery:

cool

[03:24:51]

iamlindoro:

I guess I may have given mdadm a data hernia by dumping on it all day.... I guess.

[03:25:18]

kormoc:

with my WD's, I lose a command randomly, and luckly the kernel catches it and throws up a nice warning and lets me know

[03:25:27]

kormoc:

so I was able to just deactivate that feature

[03:25:44]

sphery:

perhaps someone threw a foreign command in the native command queue

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iamlindoro:

That's clever talk

[03:26:25]

kormoc:

sphery, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NCQ.svg

[03:27:20]

iamlindoro:

That's not an accurate depiction of a Seagate drive, the heads aren't crashed into the platter

[03:27:39]

doje_:

yeah, where's the smoke?

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kormoc:

sphery, in case you really care, the error message I get when NCQ is broken is 'spurious completions during NCQ'

[03:28:44]

sphery:

wow. I don't have any NCQ-able drives, but now I'll know if I ever get any.

[03:29:42]

sphery:

I have to wonder what happens if you throw a 5 in for data close to 4 after it does 2...

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sphery:

guess we have to hope it was in the read-ahead cache from 4

[03:31:36]

kormoc:

heh

[03:31:50]

kormoc:

their's some weird magic in there

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kormoc:

*there's

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senorzorro:

has anyone had issues recently with mythbackend sockets? – QMulticastSocket: setsockopt – IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP Error

[04:12:47]

iamlindoro:

nope, but then, I'm not trying to do IPTV either

[04:12:54]

iamlindoro:

(and neither are most people)

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senorzorro:

it's not for IPTV, just local mythbackend doesn't seem to be accepting mythfrontend connections, thought it may be caused by recent ubuntu security updates?

[04:16:14]

sphery:

you're using -fixes?

[04:16:37]

sphery:

(i.e. not SVN trunk)

[04:17:34]

senorzorro:

not sure what you mean, but i recently installed a whole heap of security updates using Update Manager

[04:18:18]

sphery:

you're using Ubuntu packages, right--you didn't compile yourself

[04:19:25]

senorzorro:

yes

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senorzorro:

frontend doesn't connect anymore after my new setup worked fine for a couple of weeks

[04:20:11]

sphery:

I haven't really heard of any issues with 0.21-fixes (which is what Ubuntu uses for its packages) and I'm using current 0.21-fixes without problems. So, you may want to ask some other Ubuntu users if they've seen problems. You might want to also ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

[04:20:36]

sphery:

sorry I can't be more help

[04:20:43]

senorzorro:

good idea, i'll try that one

[04:21:10]

senorzorro:

but noones seen QMulticastSocket: setsockopt – IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP Error in MythBackend.log?

[04:21:20]

senorzorro:

can't find much on google

[04:21:21]

senorzorro:

no worries

[04:21:55]

iamlindoro:

Based on when/where it happens, appears it has to do with upnp backend connection

[04:22:14]

iamlindoro:

so as long as you are connecting in the traditional way (with a config.xml) then those error messages don't matter

[04:22:52]

iamlindoro:

which is to say those error messages say it can't do the automatic upnp backend setup... but that won't prevent you from connecting to a backend

[04:23:01]

sphery:

looks like iamlindoro was looking at source while I was typing...

[04:23:18]

iamlindoro:

you just do it the "normal" way, by having a properly configured mysql/DB/~/.mythtv/config.xml

[04:23:38]

sphery:

I just flipped back from finding the same thing to see you had already figured it out and typed it in.

[04:24:01]

iamlindoro:

all good, it's good to have someone agree with me ;)

[04:24:03]

senorzorro:

but for some reason i'm can't connect to backend anymore, the only changes i can think of are 1. filling my disk 2. using Update Manager

[04:24:36]

iamlindoro:

My general rule of thumb is to *not* even run updates indiscriminately on a myth setup you expect to continue to work

[04:24:42]

iamlindoro:

s/even/ever/

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wagnerrp:

does no one sell large non-raid drive controllers?

[04:25:40]

sphery:

ball: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_ca . . . 2FCanada_.29

[04:25:41]

ball:

?

[04:25:47]

ball:

sphery: thanks.

[04:25:52]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, cause it doesn't hurt?

[04:26:40]

sphery:

and it probably costs next-to-nothing these days to add RAID = make the product more competitve

[04:27:13]

wagnerrp:

well then they tack on an extra couple hundred because its a raid card

[04:27:45]

wagnerrp:

im mean something 8-port or larger than only does JBOD

[04:27:50]

senorzorro:

where did you guys find the discussion about config.xml?

[04:28:02]

wagnerrp:

ive found one LSI card and one Supermicro card that fits that description

[04:28:05]

senorzorro:

is there an easy way to roll back recent updates?

[04:28:24]

iamlindoro:

senorzorro, config.xml is the file that has replaced what used to be the mysql.txt file

[04:28:55]

iamlindoro:

and it's probably near impossible to roll back your updates in any sort of easy way

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wagnerrp:

the mysql.txt is kept around for legacy external scripts

[04:29:00]

sphery:

senorzorro: It looks like the IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP error is due to your NIC (or NIC driver) not supporting multicast

[04:29:04]

wagnerrp:

but mythtv just reads the config.xml anymore

[04:29:47]

kormoc:

senorzorro, what sort of discussion are you looking for?

[04:30:02]

wagnerrp:

make sure your kernel is compiled with multicast support, add a route to the multicast address space

[04:30:27]

senorzorro:

i haven't changed anything to use multicast support

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kormoc:

senorzorro, newer versions of myth use UPnP discovery

[04:30:53]

wagnerrp:

0.21 and newer do

[04:30:56]

senorzorro:

i just have a local backend/frontend config, but would like to stream across network eventually

[04:31:07]

sphery:

wagnerrp: thanks--I contemplated adding an "or kernel" after I submitted that, but got lazy

[04:31:21]

wagnerrp:

to another frontend? or to a external device?

[04:31:39]

senorzorro:

ultimately an external device

[04:31:47]

wagnerrp:

to stream to a 3rd party device, upnp (and multicast) must be working

[04:31:57]

sphery:

senorzorro: do you have log files from starting the frontend? Can you pastebin them?

[04:31:59]

senorzorro:

but it was working fine locally until a couple of days ago

[04:32:18]

senorzorro:

ok, i'll just grab it

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senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:37.717 Connecting to backend server: 192.168.1.108:6543 (try 1 of 5)

[04:34:47]

senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:37.717 MythSocket(ad75a1d8:18): new socket

[04:34:47]

senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:37.717 MythSocket(ad75a1d8:18): attempting connect() to (192.168.1.108:6543)

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senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:40.720 MythSocket(ad75a1d8:18): connect() failed (UnknownError)

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senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:40.721 MythSocket(ad75a1d8:18): DownRef: -1

[04:34:47]

senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:40.721 MythSocket(ad75a1d8:-1): delete socket

[04:34:49]

senorzorro:

2008-11–16 15:33:40.721 Connection timed out.

[04:34:51]

senorzorro:

You probably should modify the Master Server

[04:34:53]

senorzorro:

settings in the setup program and set the

[04:34:54]

sphery:

pastebin...

[04:34:55]

senorzorro:

proper IP address.

[04:34:59]

iamlindoro:

too late

[04:35:02]

sphery:

http://www.pastebin.ca

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senorzorro:

i'm sorry, i'm a bit of a newb in case you hadn't worked it out ;)

[04:35:34]

sphery:

everyone gets one freebie :)

[04:35:54]

wagnerrp:

luckily your freebie wasnt too bad

[04:36:05]

sphery:

So what's the IP on the system (and you said this is a combined frontend/backend?)

[04:36:05]

** kormoc pipes /dev/random to the room **

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wagnerrp:

there have been people who pasted in a hundred lines, which took several minutes to do

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sphery:

kormoc: you think that's random, I'll give /dev/urandom

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** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

its trying to connect to a real network address, most systems default to connecting to '127.0.0.1'

[04:37:34]

senorzorro:

yes, i tried to be selective so i didn't flood it

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senorzorro:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1257416

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wagnerrp:

you need a real network address to host other frontends/systems on the network, so that is good

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wagnerrp:

but is the backend running on 192.168.1.108

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senorzorro:

the backend is operating on 192.168.1.108

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sphery:

kormoc: only problem was I had to sacrifice technical correctness to come close to grammatical correctness

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wagnerrp:

ok

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senorzorro:

looks good in myth-setup

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wagnerrp:

do you have any sort of firewall setup?

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wagnerrp:

not a hardware router, but one running on the machine itself

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senorzorro:

nothing on the machine itself

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senorzorro:

and it worked fine a few days ago, i'm not sure what has happened

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wagnerrp:

is the backend currently running?

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wagnerrp:

if so, run 'telnet 192.168.1.108 6543'

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wagnerrp:

it should immediately say 'connected to <whatever>'

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senorzorro:

no, that seems to be the prob: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host

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wagnerrp:

no route to host? you dont have a route to yourself?

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sphery:

messed up routing tables or firewall???

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wagnerrp:

run 'ping 192.168.1.108'

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senorzorro:

i don't know, all i can think of is those damn security updates :-(

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wagnerrp:

even if the backend werent running, you would still get a 'connection refused'

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sphery:

can you pastebin the output of: /sbin/ifconfig (and also) /sbin/route

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wagnerrp:

so '/sbin/ifconfig -a'

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wagnerrp:

s/so/do/

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senorzorro:

ping says unreachable also

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senorzorro:

i'll just get ifconfig (and make sure i pastebin it this time ;) )

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sphery:

route , too would be good

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wagnerrp:

im thinking the machine is not at the IP you think it is

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wagnerrp:

are you using DHCP?

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sphery:

wonder if this is the new Ubuntu 8.10 Network Manager problmes\

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senorzorro:

i think you're right, it's now saying 192.168.1.105 http://www.pastebin.ca/1257420

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wagnerrp:

sensorzorro: are you using DHCP?

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senorzorro:

yes, i'm pretty sure it's DHCP

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senorzorro:

so the mythbackend has dynamically changed?

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wagnerrp:

then you have to statically define IPs in your DHCP server

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senorzorro:

i thought it would retain the ip address specified in mythtv-setup?

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senorzorro:

on my router?

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wagnerrp:

or, statically define one in the startup scripts, outside of DHCP

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

it should allow you to bind a specific IP to a MAC address

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sphery:

senorzorro: is this Ubuntu 8.10?

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senorzorro:

ok thanx, looks like you've solved it, i'll have to go and work out how to do it on my router

[04:48:57]

senorzorro:

yes, latest ubuntu

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sphery:

11.15 20:00:17 < iamlindoro> sphery, I've just given it a DHCP reservation so it ends up with the right IP, BUT the major problem with that is NM applet only starts once gdm has

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wagnerrp:

your MAC address is the 'HWaddr' for ath0 in ifconfig

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sphery:

11.15 20:00:40 < iamlindoro> sphery, so mysql/mythbackend become very confused

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wagnerrp:

well then youve got two problems

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sphery:

senorzorro: I don't know how he solved it, but it may have had something to do with editing /etc/network/interfaces

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wagnerrp:

or just one, depending on your solution

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senorzorro:

sorry, when i say you've solved it, i mean to say, the DHCP issue looks like it's the required fix

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wagnerrp:

seems the solution for the networkmanager issue would be setting up a wpa_supplicant.conf, and setting that to run manually, rather than have network manager manage it

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sphery:

You'll probably see iamlindoro in here before long. He understands the NM issue /much/ better than I (as he uses it).

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wagnerrp:

sensorzorro: network manager is a gnome applet used to control your wireless card

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wagnerrp:

it does not start until X starts

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kormoc:

I need to get a macbook soon

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wagnerrp:

however mythbackend starts before X starts, and before your computer has a backend

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wagnerrp:

err... before it has an IP

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wagnerrp:

anyway, big issues

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whoever:

does anyone know what setting to use when scanning for channels with a digital tuner?

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wagnerrp:

depends entirely on where you live

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whoever:

im not having anyluck

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sphery:

senorzorro: also, see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/357512#357512 (though I don't know if the solution is in the thread, as it looked more like the guy accidentally fixed his)

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wagnerrp:

and what youre trying to scan

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whoever:

wagnerrp: US

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wagnerrp:

cable or broadcast?

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whoever:

QAM 256 , no luck

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sphery:

whoever: what "what setting"? You mean like "Full scan"?

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sphery:

(which is my recommendation)

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whoever:

cable/ brodcast ( I say that because it is cable without a settop box)

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sphery:

you'll need cable

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wagnerrp:

full scan, use 'cable high' frequency table, and 'qam-256' modulation

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whoever:

but the I do get digital channles though my hd tv in the 1500's (channles

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wagnerrp:

if you have a provider who has starting dropping analog channels for digital (*cough* *comcast*), you may want to do 'cable' instead of 'cable high'

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whoever:

the scan seems to stop at at 1xx and gives nothing

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sphery:

yeah, cable high limits it to channel 78 and above

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whoever:

if i use cable -high and QaM-256

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wagnerrp:

cable only has 125 or 133 channels, something like that

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wagnerrp:

digital cable usually runs channels 78 through 125

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whoever:

ok, then is there a way i chan use the digital tuner though firmware as an analog(for the time beeing)

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sphery:

might want to try cable-hrc and/or cable-irc (though hrc is more likely to be in use)

[04:56:50]

wagnerrp:

and neither of them are very likely to be in use

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wagnerrp:

but its worth a go

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wagnerrp:

first though

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wagnerrp:

do you have a multi-core processor?

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Sorabella:

somebody in ebay gave me a negative feedback without paying for the item; would it effect my ebay selling reputation?

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whoever:

whats seems a little strangais the analog tuner on the 1600 pickes up channles 2–1596 (and the obviously the 1500 range is digita

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whoever:

ya amd64 3000+ athlon

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, there is no multicore version of a 3000+

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wagnerrp:

it should be 1.8GHz single core

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whoever:

Sorabella: just comment there neg feedback and all you can do is hope for the best, I would say no if you are oterwise in good standing

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Sorabella:

i have 39 positive 1 negative

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whoever:

I thaught the first gen 64 bit cpu were multi-care (2x32)

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wagnerrp:

yeah.... no

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: there is indeed a X2 3000+ CPU. Probably not presently available, but it was certainly made.

[05:00:40]

wagnerrp:

they are a 64-bit chip with the ability to go into 32-bit mode

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whoever:

Sorabella: so your feedback was 100% positive prior to the neg from this guy?

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Sorabella:

yes

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Sorabella:

http://myworld.ebay.ca/jookiyayaya

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sphery:

heh... Channel 1596 analog would be 9049.25MHz. 9GHz TV. :)

[05:01:14]

wagnerrp:

Lexridge: was that a 1.2–1.4GHz mobile chip or something?

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whoever:

Sorabella: then you should be good , just comment his negitive feedback on you that he never paid

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Lexridge:

wagmerrp: don't recall it's been so long ago. but I remember building a system with that cpu for a customer.

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whoever:

wagnerrp: so there is nothing i can do with the digital tuner untill i get cable ?

[05:02:39]

wagnerrp:

wikipedia does list one lower than 3600+

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: lemme do a google...hang on

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wagnerrp:

whoever: you dont have cable, but youre trying to access cable?

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wagnerrp:

well i dont know how you could expect that to end in anything but tears

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sphery:

if so that's not a topic for here. :)

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: not a great link, but here is one: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/specs.aspx?E . . . s-_-Main+Tab

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: click on the processor section

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: strange the wiki doesnt mention it.

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whoever:

I have a cable box in anther room but i wont be able to hook it up to test that until tomarrow, yes i have cable but I only have a cable box in the living room and the outlet I'm near is cable but no box

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whoever:

I'm trying to get my digital tuner to recieve channls

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wagnerrp:

seems its 1.6GHz

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: yea, rather slow by todays standards.

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wagnerrp:

DDR2, must be an AM2 chip

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: didn't even notice that. I still am using dual core 939 here. :(

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wagnerrp:

whoever: if you have cable, you must get the local digital channels over cable as well

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sphery:

in other words, it should find them if you do a scan, but don't limit it to cable high

[05:09:26]

wagnerrp:

if you actually have a dual core processor, there is a bug with the channel scanner where it doesnt work

[05:09:31]

wagnerrp:

you have to limit it to a single core

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wagnerrp:

or, you can try using dvbscan

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wagnerrp:

if dvbscan works, it will output a channels.conf which you can then dump into mythtv

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whoever:

wagnerrp: so how da i da dvb scan? all i see is channel scan

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wagnerrp:

from the command line

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wagnerrp:

see if the command exists first

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wagnerrp:

'which dvbscan'

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whoever:

dvdscan -/dev/v4l/video0

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whoever:

?

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wagnerrp:

definitely not

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whoever:

no dvb scan in / //

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wagnerrp:

/dev/v4l/video0 is an analog input

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wagnerrp:

dvb inputs are in /dev/dvb

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wagnerrp:

but dvbscan will just grab the first if not otherwise told

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wagnerrp:

mine came in the package 'linuxtv-dvb-apps'

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wagnerrp:

install that, then run 'dvbscan <channel table>'

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wagnerrp:

my channel tables were installed to /usr/share/dvb/atsc

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wagnerrp:

they will come in the same package as dvbscan

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wagnerrp:

just use us-Cable-Standard

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wagnerrp:

when you put it on the command line, you need to give it the full path from your location

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wagnerrp:

not just the name of the file

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whoever:

wagnerrp: i got the pkg but still no dvbscan , there is dvbtraffic

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wagnerrp:

well they should be in the same package

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wagnerrp:

look again

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whoever:

dvbdate , dvbnet , dvbtraffic, should it appear dvbscan or is there somthing before it

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wagnerrp:

just dvbscan

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wagnerrp:

and it should be in the same package as the other three

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whoever:

wagnerrp: im on are so im searching google to see what pkg it is in

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iamlindoro:

sphery, You had the solution correct, /etc/network/interfaces. Also needs to apt-get remove --purge network-manager

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I can't get over what a screwy design decision that was-- I mean, surely *someone* had to think of people using mysql/myth/similar

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sphery:

too bad he's gone, now.

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sphery:

and, yeah, bad decision

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iamlindoro:

yeah, was out of the room

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu is for desktops

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iamlindoro:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

standard users dont need the likes of servers

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sphery:

iamlindoro: not blaming you, just unfortunate

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sphery:

that he's not here now

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Sure, but there was an *existing* network manager that existed as a frontend to interfaces, don't see what was so wrong with that

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wagnerrp:

my complaint is that network manager is EXTREMELY limiting

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wagnerrp:

its fine for desktop/laptop use

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wagnerrp:

but if you want to do anything weird/funky/non-standard, its worthless

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iamlindoro:

I wouldn't even say mysql is all that non standard

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wagnerrp:

you cant run static IPs, you cant multi-home, you cant have aliases

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iamlindoro:

I mean lot of people are bound to go "hmm... Mythtv, a DVR! Neat! I'll install that package!"

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whoever:

wagnerrp: ok i found it the path to dvb-utils is not path

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Lexridge:

Is postgresql support still not available for mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

not available, no core plans to make it available

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iamlindoro:

Probably not-- probably never will be either

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wagnerrp:

i remember some 3rd party attempts at providing patches to do so

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wagnerrp:

but nothing anywhere near complete

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Lexridge:

shame, postgres is the better database app.

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wagnerrp:

and they all get dropped after a few months

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wagnerrp:

perhaps, but mysql is 'good enough', and its the far more common one of the two

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Lexridge:

it's kinda like the vhs/beta wars. Beta was better, but VHS won out.

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Lexridge:

in that case, it was mainly because of cheaper licensing. Sony was too greedy.

[05:36:37]

Lexridge:

they myth devs may disagree, but it would not be that big a deal to allow the mythtv user to decide which database to use. Amarok does it greatly.

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wagnerrp:

so write a patch

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Lexridge:

I've actually considered it, but with my lack of time, it too would get dropped after a few months. ;)

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt need to be available in the GUI, just use defines throughout the code, replacing mysql commands with postgre ones

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wagnerrp:

i bet if someone got it working initially, someone would be available to maintain it

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Lexridge:

exactly. I have researched the possibilities.

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Lexridge:

mainly because I have a friend who will NOT use mythtv simply becasue he does not want to run two database servers.

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Lexridge:

he is very stubbern.

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iamlindoro:

his loss

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Lexridge:

yup!

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Lexridge:

he is also very resource conscience.

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wagnerrp:

actually, one long term plan is to move mythtv towards embedded mysql, rather than an external server

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Lexridge:

that is actually a great idea.

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wagnerrp:

resource conscience has no place with mythtv

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Lexridge:

then the user doesn't know, or care what hte database is.

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wagnerrp:

mythv grows to fill the hardware, and then it demands more, the cold mistress that it is

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Lexridge:

lol

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iamlindoro:

now we'll be able to find all sorts of new things to do with out processors

[05:44:19]

** iamlindoro huggles VDPAU **

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iamlindoro:

s/out/our/

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wagnerrp:

once you send data to VDPAU, it does not come back out, correct?

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wagnerrp:

i.e.: theres no mechanism by which to stream decompressed data back to the CPU

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Lexridge:

not familiar with VDPAU

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iamlindoro:

I *thought* someone was talking about getting the rendered surface back out of the GPU, but I'm the wrong person to ask

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wagnerrp:

so its using the pixel shaders to do processing, rather than CUDA?

[05:47:09]

wagnerrp:

inferring from the 'rendered surface'

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wagnerrp:

anyway, just speculating, for external post processing

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU could feed data, in real time, to the commflagger

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau/doxygen/html/index.html

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whoever:

wagnerrp: it looks like every atempt to use dvbscan is failing. can i use booth tuners when i get a digital box, would i hook them both up to take the ouput off the cable box?

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wagnerrp:

or to a cpu-based deinterlacer, which then feed it back to the GPU for output

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RyeBrye:

Cool

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RyeBrye:

VDPAU sounds interesting

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, "Note that at this point, the resultant VdpOutputSurface may be fed back through the above path, either using VdpOutputSurface rendering functionality, or as input to the VdpVideoMixer object."

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: i dont know if thats the case, thats what i was wondering

[05:49:19]

wagnerrp:

well that certainly opens up some interesting opportunities

[05:49:28]

RyeBrye:

I've been lurking but not totally up to speed on the VDPAU – is the thought that this could give us hardware accel for H264 and other operations?

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wagnerrp:

thats not the thought, thats the reality

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, It's not a thought, it's a fact :)

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RyeBrye:

Cool

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iamlindoro:

in testing it yesterday, I couldn't get my CPU to go above 1% with h.264 material :)

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wagnerrp:

its currently functional, at beta stability

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iamlindoro:

er 3%

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RyeBrye:

Wow, that's nuts

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iamlindoro:

and that was 40 Mbit h.264 bluray

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Lexridge:

is VDPAU currently available in the nvidia drivers?

[05:50:27]

iamlindoro:

yes, in beta 180.06

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wagnerrp:

latest beta drivers

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... Can it be accessed to do transcoding on the GPU?

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wagnerrp:

for 8-series or better

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Lexridge:

ah, I have a 6800....time to upgrade. :)

[05:50:59]

wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: apparently it can do the decoding on the GPU, for streaming back to the CPU

[05:51:26]

RyeBrye:

Well, now my Q9550 is officially overpowered for an HTPC then :)

[05:51:29]

iamlindoro:

IT just laughed at HD-PVR output

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wagnerrp:

if you want to do subsequent encoding, you need to write a codec in shader language or CUDA

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Lexridge:

jeeze, time to upgrade a lot of stuff....still using AGP for that matter :(

[05:51:43]

iamlindoro:

"Hahah, you call this video? Then it pooped out the output."

[05:52:05]

RyeBrye:

so is this in the svn trunk yet or just in patches?

[05:52:12]

iamlindoro:

nothing for myth yet

[05:52:20]

iamlindoro:

mplayer patches and a beta driver

[05:52:23]

iamlindoro:

but it'll come

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wagnerrp:

in other news, 180.06 beta drivers have caused nvidia cards to grow an asshole

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, haha

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Lexridge:

just what I need....shit cleanup!

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RyeBrye:

Ah

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Lexridge:

when is nvidia gonna come out with a card with full component i/o?

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Lexridge:

in HD of course.

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RyeBrye:

component in?

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RyeBrye:

or just out?

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Lexridge:

well, for nvidia, in would be great, but out should be standard.

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iamlindoro:

I'm confused-- what are they lacking right now that you'd like?

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iamlindoro:

They *do* have HDMI/component/DVI/VGA outs right now

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wagnerrp:

nvidia cards do not have inputs

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** RyeBrye has all those outputs on his card now **

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RyeBrye:

and THEN some :)

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wagnerrp:

some nvidia partners have offered composite/svideo inputs

[05:55:04]

Lexridge:

yea, but the inability to get the component HD out of my dish rx is quite expensive atm.

[05:55:15]

wagnerrp:

but that has nothing to do with nvidia

[05:55:24]

iamlindoro:

nvidia makes GPUs, not capture cards

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RyeBrye:

Lexridge – that's the HD-PVR you are looking for

[05:55:37]

iamlindoro:

That's like wondering why Belkin hasn't come out with a dual core CPU

[05:55:44]

RyeBrye:

lol

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RyeBrye:

Why haven't they?

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Lexridge:

I just wish I could buy a sub $200 HD card with component inputs.

[05:55:54]

iamlindoro:

and $183 isn't *that* expensive for component in

[05:56:01]

iamlindoro:

HD-PVR, $183

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iamlindoro:

Cheapest price is from Dell ATM

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Lexridge:

okay, that is reasonable....last time I looked, it was like $350

[05:56:27]

iamlindoro:

it's never been $350

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wagnerrp:

it started at 250

[05:56:42]

iamlindoro:

The most it's ever been was $250 from hauppauge, $229 at retail

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Lexridge:

wow, okay...that is exactly what I need :)

[05:57:13]

Lexridge:

and it will record at 720p and 1080i?

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RyeBrye:

Lexridge – NOW the catch is until the GPU stuff is in place, you need a CPU that will make a child cry to play itback

[05:57:18]

iamlindoro:

yes

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Lexridge:

nice!

[05:57:39]

RyeBrye:

Lexridge – you need enough raw power that the CPU would blind you if you looked straight at it

[05:57:45]

Lexridge:

ryebrye: what kind of cpu power are you talking about?

[05:57:48]

RyeBrye:

well... or osmething like that :)

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iamlindoro:

2.8–3.0 Ghz Core 2 Duo or so

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, it's not THAT powerful – but it's a lot more powerful than what most people who weren't planning to do HD playback stuff on their boxes may have sitting in them

[05:58:30]

wagnerrp:

well... 2.8–3.0GHz Core 2 Solo, if they made such a thing

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Lexridge:

Why? I can play back HD content with my Winders box at work with VLC in both 720 and 1080 just fine?

[05:58:40]

RyeBrye:

GPU acceleration

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RyeBrye:

That's why

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Lexridge:

it has a x2 4200 in it (at work)

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wagnerrp:

Lexridge: from what source?

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whoever:

wagnerrp: it looks like every atempt to use dvbscan is failing. can i use booth tuners when i get a digital box, would i hook them both up to take the ouput off the cable box?

[05:59:23]

wagnerrp:

*downloaded* 1080p usually doesnt peak above 10mbps

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Lexridge:

they are 35MB mpeg2 file from DG-FastChannel systems.

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RyeBrye:

Oh, yeah – and the H.264 the HD-PVR spits out is really computationally expensive to decode on the CPU

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wagnerrp:

720p is half that

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 is fairly easy to decode anymore

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wagnerrp:

the problem with the hdpvr is it is single sliced

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Lexridge:

what is wild, the same commercials, in both 720p and 1080i are exactly the same filesize

[06:00:03]

wagnerrp:

meaning you can only do single threaded decoding

[06:00:22]

Lexridge:

H.264 will never see the light in the US broadcast market.

[06:00:36]

iamlindoro:

Lexridge, That's because 720p and 1080i move almost the same number of pixels

[06:00:46]

Lexridge:

yes, exactly

[06:00:50]

iamlindoro:

moving in a given amount of time, that is

[06:01:05]

iamlindoro:

So what's wild about it?

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Lexridge:

What is weird is that everyone is in agreement that is takes tons of CPU power to play this stuff. The biggest problem I have is the damn AES audio codec it uses. I have never been able to get sound from these files.

[06:02:51]

iamlindoro:

Erm.. presumably you mean AAC

[06:03:01]

Lexridge:

I have to run it all through a $38000 piece of software to get the sound converted to something usab.e

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Lexridge:

usable that is

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iamlindoro:

oh, you mean your work stuff

[06:03:27]

Lexridge:

no, it is NOT acc. It is aes 8 channel embedded audio.

[06:03:36]

Lexridge:

yes, work stuff.

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is all AC3

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iamlindoro:

And there's nothing special/difficult about playing 35 Mbit MPEG-2, I've got movies that beat that on the hard drive right now

[06:04:35]

Lexridge:

this is before it gets that far. This is a server, that downloads both commercials/programming and must be converted for on-air use.

[06:05:46]

Lexridge:

FastChannel/Pathfire has been very secretive about helping me convert this files with off-the-shelf software. They claim common codecs, but they have to be lying.

[06:07:12]

Lexridge:

iamlindoro: okay, back to home recording.....there is nothing consumer based that records in this 4:2:2 format. So why does it take so much CPU to decode and play this stuff with modern nvidia gfx cards....which is what started all of this.

[06:07:54]

iamlindoro:

because linux has never had (and still in practically terms does not have) any GPU acceleration.

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iamlindoro:

the output of the HD-PVR is single sliced complex encoded h.264, and cannot be multithreaded in linux either.

[06:08:20]

Lexridge:

Here is the kicker....I have had better success making this stuff work under linux than Windows!!!!

[06:08:36]

Lexridge:

okay, that makes sense

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iamlindoro:

so you are limited to the work that can be done in a single core of your CPU

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iamlindoro:

so you need a CPU that is efficient per cycle and high clock.

[06:09:04]

iamlindoro:

ergo a 2.8–3.0 Ghz Core 2 Duo

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Lexridge:

gotcha

[06:10:10]

Lexridge:

So, using AVIdemux, I should be able to convert any h.264 file to a 4:2:2 TS stream for blue ray conversion.....what...blue ray writing is not yet supported under k3b yet, is it?

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iamlindoro:

Doubtful

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Lexridge:

figures. :(

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Lexridge:

what happend with all the open-ness ATI was suppose to get after AMD bought them? We should be able to use the $4000 ATI cards under linux now. ;)

[06:12:22]

Lexridge:

NOT!!

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iamlindoro:

You can use them all you like-- neither company is ever going to reveal the inner workings of their video processing units

[06:13:11]

iamlindoro:

that stuff is all heavily protected by NDA signed with the codec patent holders

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kormoc:

ugh

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kormoc:

I hate iSafari at times

[06:13:33]

kormoc:

a:active only works when the href='#' but not a real url

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Lexridge:

and what is really crazy...all these broadcast companies that are using HD conversion cards are using embedded Linux....Miranda and Adtec are good examples. where is the sourcecode!?!?!?!

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iamlindoro:

Just because it's linux doesn't mean they need to share the source

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kormoc:

not does it mean it's free

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iamlindoro:

you can write all the closed source binary blobs you want on linux

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Lexridge:

no, but they should be sharing the connectors of the sourcecode...anything that uses links to gpl code should be freely available.

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kormoc:

how do you know it links to GPL code?

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Lexridge:

It has to link somehow to the kernel to be used in the first place. Kinda like the way nvidia does it. Some of it is closed, while the connectors are open.

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iamlindoro:

The nvidia closed source driver uses the kernel headers, do you think that should be open source by virtue of that? The GPL doesn't work that way

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kormoc:

and there is that clause that if it's not being released to the public, it doesn't need to be open source

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Lexridge:

Well, I'm buying it...and I am the public. Broadcast or not...we are public.

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kormoc:

Lexridge, who said they link to the kernel. Usage != linking. linking has a very specific meaning in programming

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kormoc:

Lexridge, no, you're buying a end result, not the encoder itself

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kormoc:

and there's the thousands of LGPL libs out there that don't require the apps to be open source when they link to them

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Lexridge:

well, the encoder would be hardware. The interface is software.

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kormoc:

you're still not using the software, you're using the end result, which isn't covered

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Lexridge:

I guess they could be using commercial licenses off QT or something like that.

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kormoc:

if the end result was covered, anything image modified in GIMP would be Creative Commons, any image shot on a sony camera would be owned by sony!

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RyeBrye:

Although... if this GPU stuff does come out – I could drastically undervolt / underclock my CPU I suppose :)

[06:18:34]

Lexridge:

I guess all in all I'm just glad to see Linux finally domanating the broadcast industry. It's been a long time coming to get windows out the door.

[06:19:02]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, if? it's out (least nvidia's version in beta form and works well)

[06:19:22]

RyeBrye:

Ok s/if/when/

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RyeBrye:

by when I mean in mythTV :)

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iamlindoro:

Heh, a shiny nickel says someone at xbmc has already hacked something together with python, duct tape, and twigs

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iamlindoro:

where if you look at it sternly, your GPU melts

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Lexridge:

komoc: If you link to the kernel, does that not mean you have to release that code under the GPL?

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Lexridge:

kormoc: If you link to the kernel, does that not mean you have to release that code under the GPL?

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RyeBrye:

Not if you use public symbols

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RyeBrye:

there are some GPL-only symbols exported that you can't use

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kormoc:

Lexridge, and likely most h264 encoders are user space and not linking directly with the kernel

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Lexridge:

ryebrye: okay, I guess I need to learn more about the gpl then.

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Lexridge:

kormoc: okay, I think I understand that.

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kormoc:

Lexridge, it's not just the GPL, it's all sorts of different custom licenses out there, the linux kernel isn't fully GPL, as parts of it are a modified GPL/LGPL/BSD

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kormoc:

Lexridge, there are people who's entire job is figuring out licensing :)

[06:26:11]

Lexridge:

okay. Not much of a fan of the BSD license. Yea, those are the ones that generally are the result of anal sex. ;) Lawyers that is. lol

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kormoc:

Not at all! The FSF has licensing experts on their staff

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kormoc:

as does the EFF and other organizations

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** RyeBrye loves the BSD **

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Lexridge:

Yea, that is good. I was just trying to be funny with a cheap lawyer joke.

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RyeBrye:

for some things

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that blue screen makes my eyes look great

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iamlindoro:

(har ahr)

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Lexridge:

yea, enhances the deep blue. That is what scares me the most about this whole HD conversion. We went from 99% hardware, to 99% hardware controlled from software. Our engineering staff will be obsolute shortly.

[06:29:02]

RyeBrye:

I wonder how long until x264 guys use VDPAU, or the Handbrake guys throw it in somehow

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Lexridge:

The IT dept will take charge...namely me.

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, a CUDA encoder would be far wiser than trying to apply this to encoding

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kormoc:

I doubt that engineers are going away, someone needs to build the hardware that the software runs on

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RyeBrye:

Hm, probably true

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iamlindoro:

This is more or less bitstreaming to their video hardware only, specifically for output purposes

[06:30:29]

RyeBrye:

ah, gotcha

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, although, h264 -> x might be helped by gpu decoding

[06:30:38]

RyeBrye:

I just saw "post processing" in the header

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Lexridge:

kormoc: We are end users. Companies like Adtec, Miranda and Sencore will continue to hire engineers, but TV stations will replace their with IT staffers.

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RyeBrye:

VDPAU provides a complete solution for decoding, post-processing, compositing, and displaying compressed or uncompressed video streams

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, What kormoc says is true in that you could pass it the h.264 and do the decode to save some processor, and then get the uncompressed image back out... but the encode would be up to your CPU

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iamlindoro:

(or a CUDA encoder)

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Lexridge:

Our sole engineer, which whom I have not seen for several weeks, is busy keeping up with transmitter upgrades....while firestore cameras set on the workbench waiting for repairs.

[06:35:12]

Lexridge:

We have layed off 25 employees in the past 11 months, mostly engineers and news staff awaiting a new improved economy. Not a good time to be spending $2.1M on updates I'd say.

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Lexridge:

I think with a few tweeks and hardware drivers, MythTV would be well suited to replace those $400K servers we just bought for a fraction of the price. Hell, we could buy quad redundancy! :)

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mythnoob:

hello. i am running myth v0.21. i can't find the edit keys menu anywhere.

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mythnoob:

anyone know what i am missing?

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mythnoob:

i am trying to get back the ability to change inputs and tuners. i used to do it with the 'y' key but it no longer works.

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kormoc:

install/run mythcontrol and see what key it is set to?

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k-man:

hey guys

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k-man:

i am finding nvidia-settings often crashes X when it starts

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k-man:

anyone else found that?

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mythnoob:

used to find that on older versions of ubuntu ...

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mythnoob:

works great tho on intrepid.

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k-man:

mythnoob, what version?

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k-man:

what version of the nvidia drivers and nvidia-settings does it use i meant

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mythnoob:

k-man: 177

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mythnoob:

k-man: nvidia-settings reports 177.80 to be exact.

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k-man:

thanks mythnoob

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mythnoob:

np.

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Eypone:

hey can some one help me white satelco DVB-C/S2 card?

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Eypone:

hey can some one help me white satelco DVB-C/S2 card?

[11:17:55]

Eypone:

i need som help to install driver's

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justinh:

nvidia announce hardware acceleration for linux?! Are my eyes deceiving me?

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nwagenaar:

Morning all :)

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justinh:

ignore *!*@*xs4all.nl

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justinh:

oops

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nwagenaar:

=)

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nwagenaar:

Can anybody enlighten me if the channels.conf import through mythtv-setup is broken in 0.22 SVN revision 19051?

[11:41:54]

justinh:

you shouldn't be importing channels.conf files if you can help it

[11:42:09]

justinh:

problems with the internal scanner should be reported or they will not be fixed

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nwagenaar:

justinh: Well, I've got DVB-S channels going on four sats. I'm not going to do them all by hand.

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justinh:

the scanner, when set up properly should work just fine

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justinh:

anyway if you're using trunk you should KNOW if there are any kinds of issues like the one you speak of

[11:43:31]

justinh:

by following the -dev and -commits mailing lists

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nwagenaar:

justinh: Well, the configuration and channels.conf is working fine. It works on 0.21 but the frontend coredumps on my configuration. So I tried to 0.22 svn and compile it by hand.

[11:44:12]

justinh:

anyway if you're using trunk you should KNOW if there are any kinds of issues like the one you speak of by following the -dev and -commits mailing lists

[11:44:15]

nwagenaar:

justinh: I did't see a problem about the mythtv-setup in combination with channels.conf on the mailinglist archive.

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justinh:

well, if you think you've found a genuine bug.. raise a ticket

[11:46:37]

nwagenaar:

k, tnx for the info :) Just wanted to be sure if somebody had this problem before.

[11:47:00]

justinh:

anyway why use trunk?

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nwagenaar:

justinh: I like bleeding edge.

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justinh:

there aren't really any new features of note

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nwagenaar:

justinh: I was going to try the S2API patch.

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nwagenaar:

justinh: But wanted to make sure my DVB-S configuration works

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justinh:

ahh that. oh well good luck

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nwagenaar:

lol

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nwagenaar:

thanks, *I think*

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justinh:

hmmmm. nvidia hardware decode of h.264. yummy in my tummy :) YAAT.. (yet another API though) :-\

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`migo`:

morning :)

[11:59:22]

justinh:

what's with the backticks?

[11:59:45]

justinh:

apart from deliberately setting out to ANNOY people trying to type your nick, I mean

[12:01:17]

`migo`:

i want to create a user job in mythtv,just to copy a recorded file right after the recording into a differnet directory

[12:01:35]

`migo`:

but how do i have to adress the recoreded file ? is there any variable ?

[12:01:46]

** justinh points at the mythtv wiki **

[12:01:52]

justinh:

search for USER JOBS

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justinh:

why not just run mythrename.pl --link $dir instead?

[12:03:29]

justinh:

it creates friendly named symbolic links in $dir

[12:03:32]

loki7:

good morning all

[12:03:39]

justinh:

it'll save you HDD space

[12:04:09]

justinh:

loki7: well it certainly is morning in some places

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`migo`:

hdd space isnt the prob

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sid3windr:

justinh: your irc client doesn't autocomplete the backticks? =p

[12:04:23]

`migo`:

i have a 500GB hdd,so actually thats not a prob

[12:04:39]

`migo`:

mythrename.pl ?

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loki7:

I knew someone would bust me there justin ;)

[12:05:39]

justinh:

`migo`: yes

[12:06:12]

justinh:

people with daft characters in nicks are almost as annoying as leet folks :)

[12:06:45]

justinh:

anyway.. YES mythrename.pl – go looking for it

[12:07:07]

`migo`:

i guess it wouldnt be enough to adress them wiht %FILE% ?

[12:07:15]

justinh:

besides which, making a symbolic link is MUCH faster than copying a multiple gigabyte file :D

[12:07:49]

justinh:

maybe if you state your intended use, folks might be better able to direct you to a solution

[12:08:36]

`migo`:

its very simple.... all recordings are stored into /multimedia/video/live-tv

[12:09:09]

`migo`:

i just want to copy and rename the recorded files to /multimedia/video/ and rename it to /lastrecorded.mpg

[12:09:14]

justinh:

why?

[12:09:45]

justinh:

anyway everything on that wiki page tells you what you need to know

[12:09:54]

`migo`:

well ,first its the thing about the auto delete,and second that i dont have to search for the file

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`migo`:

somewhne later i want to convert them right after recorded into a x264 format so its faster to cut the commercial out

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justinh:

anyway everything on that wiki page tells you what you need to know. nobody here is likely to help you write a script they'd never personally use :P

[12:11:21]

`migo`:

yes.....

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`migo`:

actually im in http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_job

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`migo`:

i see $CHANID% and %DIR% and %FILE%

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`migo`:

but mythtv creates a file name from the chanid,the time the recoreded started and the current date

[12:12:33]

`migo`:

so....i do not really know what to do wiht those variables

[12:13:04]

`migo`:

if i have to edit it every time by myself, then i also could rename the file by hand and copy them to the other directoty

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justinh:

eh?

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justinh:

%FILE% is the actual filename of the recording

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`migo`:

off the last recorded,yes ?

[12:14:55]

justinh:

no, of the file the user job is being run against

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`migo`:

then... if we are already there... the command would simply be:

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justinh:

which part of that is so hard to understand?

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`migo`:

mv %FILE% /multimedia/vieo/lastrecoreded.mpg ?

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justinh:

you can't just go moving files around

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justinh:

it'll break the database

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`migo`:

it should be copy yes... cp

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`migo`:

cp %FILE% /multimedia/vieo/lastrecoreded.mpg ?

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justinh:

no

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mzb_d800:

`migo`: I have a user script that does what you want, it just doesn't delete the original.

[12:16:49]

mzb_d800:

(and yes, your nick is slightly annoying;))

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justinh:

if your script was migofilecopy.sh – you would put 'migofilecopy.sh %FILE%' in the user job field

[12:17:08]

`migo`:

this would be fine mzb_d800... i dont want the original to be delete.. autodelte does this already

[12:17:09]

justinh:

then in your script use cp $1 /video/dir/lastrecorded.mpg

[12:17:30]

justinh:

you need to learn some script-fu, it would appear :)

[12:17:35]

mzb_d800:

k, hang on, I'll cut the relevant part and pastbin it

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`migo`:

thank you mzb_d800 :)

[12:17:58]

`migo`:

justinh.... you are right !

[12:18:08]

justinh:

ffs who'd have thunk it. come in asking how to do some daft thing & then they get a solution handed on a plate. wtf is the world coming to?

[12:18:19]

`migo`:

and im serious in this justinh... i really should learn some scritping as it would be very helpful at times

[12:19:13]

justinh:

the variables that can be passed to a user job are just args you can read within your script

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`migo`:

i dont want to start such a basic discussion right now and right here justinh... but we all start at some point

[12:19:22]

justinh:

$1 is the first, $2 the second..

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mzb_d800:

`migo`: it's probably not exactly what you want, but you'll get the idea

[12:19:51]

`migo`:

it would be helpfull mzb_d800... very helpful

[12:21:33]

`migo`:

mzb_d800..i cant receive via dcc... if you would use pastebin.com ?

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mzb_d800:

cut&paste as we speak

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`migo`:

okies :)

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mzb_d800:

should give you most of what you want: http://openpaste.org/en/9122/

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mzb_d800:

is invoked as a user job with: my_mythconvert MOVIE "%CHANID%" "%STARTTIME%" "%TITLE%" "%SUBTITLE%"

[12:23:30]

mzb_d800:

when my_mythconvert is a script that handles all user jobs

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mzb_d800:

$1 is only the user job type, so can be ignored

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** `migo` gasps **

[12:24:12]

`migo`:

this is more compliccated as i thought it would be !

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mzb_d800:

I've pasted the case statement relevant for my "MOVIE" selection

[12:24:30]

mzb_d800:

yeah ... but I've taken a few extra steps

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justinh:

lol. scare the guy away why don'tcha

[12:24:43]

mzb_d800:

certainly you can simplify it ;))

[12:24:56]

justinh:

he didn't know about args, and now he's faced with case statements :P

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justinh:

anyway... that's my fix for the day.. seeya'll

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mzb_d800:

justinh: I'm not going to judge `migo` by my own limitations ;) (esp. seeing as it's such an annoying nick for autocomplete;)

[12:25:43]

mzb_d800:

pfft

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`migo`:

wow mzb_d800

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`migo`:

i thought i could do this with one simmple line

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`migo`:

not even as a script, jus tone like i could put as a user job

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mzb_d800:

SQL_DETAILS="-u$DBUSER -h$SQLSERVER -p$DBPASSWORD $DBNAME"

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`migo`:

not even as a script, just one line i could put as a user job

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mzb_d800:

REC_FILENAME='SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE title = \"$TITLE\" AND chanid = \"$CHANID\" AND starttime =

[12:27:19]

mzb_d800:

\"$STARTTIME\"'

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mzb_d800:

REC_FILENAME='SELECT basename FROM recorded WHERE title = \"$TITLE\" AND chanid = \"$CHANID\" AND starttime = \"$STARTTIME\"'

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`migo`:

this is way to complicated mzb_d800

[12:27:54]

`migo`:

sorry

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mzb_d800:

ok

[12:28:34]

mzb_d800:

the point being that you should be able to break it down to the essential elements

[12:28:37]

`migo`:

dooesnt mythtv put the reorded file name into some variable ?

[12:30:03]

mzb_d800:

yes, kinda .... but (iirc) you can't pass the filename to the user job (can't remember why) ... even if you could, you'd still have to find the storage group it lives in ... etc

[12:30:15]

mzb_d800:

it's complicated by necessity

[12:30:43]

`migo`:

i put all my records into /multimdia/video/live-tv

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mzb_d800:

I suggest you attempt to get a basic understanding of that script and simplify to your requirements

[12:31:22]

mzb_d800:

myphpmyadmin can be useful for checking values

[12:32:23]

`migo`:

this is how it looks to me right now: i have to learn abotu scripting to copy a file from here to there

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mzb_d800:

starting with "I want something 'this long'" doesn't work too well if you've only got something like '?' :)

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** `migo` scratches his head **

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mzb_d800:

it's more than that, but that's the short of it

[12:32:54]

`migo`:

somehow this doesnt look right

[12:33:08]

`migo`:

its not against you mzb_d800...i appreciate your help

[12:33:33]

`migo`:

but this is all way to complicated for jsut simply copyingg a file from herre to theree

[12:34:13]

mzb_d800:

you need a program (script, etc) that will take the params that mythtv will give it, you _may_ need to retrieve values from the mythtv database (mysql), and so on ...

[12:34:35]

mzb_d800:

it's not as simple as you think

[12:34:45]

mzb_d800:

a) what's the name of the file?

[12:34:50]

mzb_d800:

b) where is it?

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mzb_d800:

... and so on

[12:35:28]

`migo`:

the source location and the taarget locattion are always the same

[12:35:46]

`migo`:

the name of the file changes,and thats the prob

[12:36:39]

mzb_d800:

however, if your previous comments about "%FILE%" are correct then my suggestion is complete overkill (esp. if you only have one storage group)

[12:37:15]

mzb_d800:

cp "$1" /destination/mymovie

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mzb_d800:

would probably s.... scrap that

[12:37:34]

`migo`:

it was a assumption,a question to justinh.... far away from being correct :)

[12:37:58]

mzb_d800:

cp "$1" /destination/"$2.mpg"

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`migo`:

let me scroll back what $1 is

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`migo`:

<justinh> %FILE% is the actual filename of the recording

[12:39:07]

`migo`:

<`migo`> off the last recorded,yes ?

[12:39:07]

`migo`:

<justinh> no, of the file the user job is being run against

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mzb_d800:

invoked with: copy_movie "%FILE%" "%TITLE%"

[12:40:06]

mzb_d800:

but that makes a lot of assumptions and will probably fail (unless you're wearing a red tie and the wind is blowing in the right direction)

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`migo`:

lol mzb_d800

[12:41:06]

`migo`:

i will look for mythrename.pl,thats what justinh spoke about

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mzb_d800:

cp "${MY_STORAGE_GROUP}/recordings/$1" "${MY_STORAGE_GROUP}/copy/$2.mpg"

[12:41:24]

mzb_d800:

hmm

[12:41:52]

mzb_d800:

avoiding learning what to do is not going to solve your problem in the long run ;)

[12:41:57]

mzb_d800:

good luck

[12:42:05]

mzb_d800:

time for bed

[12:42:12]

mzb_d800:

good night all

[12:42:21]

`migo`:

sleep well mzb_d800 and thank you for yoru help

[12:42:29]

`migo`:

are you in australia ?

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mzb_d800:

np. yes, .tas.au

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`migo`:

i wondered as you said its time for bed

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mzb_d800:

done my tidy-up, time for bed, goodnight

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`migo`:

here in germany its abotu 2pm, in teh usa its 8am (east coast)

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`migo`:

night mzb_d800

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`migo`:

bye

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Eypone:

if i whant to change "ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [AAZA]" to [APC3] how can i do this?

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gbee:

trying to decide just how cheap I want to be with this new laptop HDD

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gbee:

just an £5 between 160Gb and 120Gb, but that puts it over the imaginary limit I'd imposed of £40 :)

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gbee:

if PC World had stock I'd have picked up a 160Gb for £36 .... all of which is pretty silly considering I've never filled the 60Gb drive I've got

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gbee:

feck, Scan don't have the stock either

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gbee:

back to the drawing board

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C0p3rn1c:

yay I got my first crappy framegrabber tot work!

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C0p3rn1c:

the problem was my cheapass mobo :)

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wagnerrp:

not the cheapass card?

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jduggan:

gbee: what sat dish do you use? regular sky type?

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gbee:

jduggan: yeah

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jduggan:

ok

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jduggan:

i've scored a free dish with lnb

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jduggan:

wondering whether to take it or invest a lil more in a 60cm one from ebay

[16:13:21]

jduggan:

you can get 60cm eliptical with quad lnb for 40quid delivered

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gbee:

first card I bought was faulty, but I ended up buying a 60cm Elipse dish before realising that

[16:13:35]

jduggan:

aah

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jduggan:

so you have the 60cm

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jduggan:

the one i've been given is the 43cm one

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gbee:

but honestly you can probably get away with the small one

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

i'll probably see how i get on with it first

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gbee:

jduggan: didn't need the 60cm, turns out the 43cm would have been ok but the crappy Satelco card I bought had single issues on just on mplex – the BBC HD one

[16:14:53]

gbee:

signal

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gbee:

even the 60cm dish didn't fix it, but then I replaced the card ...

[16:16:55]

jduggan:

aah

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jduggan:

which card(s) are you using now?

[16:17:52]

gbee:

Nova-S bought off Ebay for £15 inc postage

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jduggan:

ah ive ordered teh same one

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jduggan:

15+5postage

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jduggan:

the seller said he had 13 to sell, i would have bought two, but he said only one purchase per person

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gbee:

more accurately I bought two and haggled down to £30 – other card went to stuarta

[16:20:07]

gbee:

for which, I made 20p in profit because he rounded up the cost of the stamp ;)

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jduggan:

lol

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C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: yup and the cheapass card :)

[16:29:57]

gbee:

Anduin: IMDB seem to have re-organised their posters so that the IMDB script pulls down the smallset, nastiest images available

[16:30:44]

gbee:

just re-downloaded metadata for videos and getting different, much lower quality images – some are so bad that you can't even read the text for all the artifacts

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I've noticed that too, they seem to have been a bit more proactive about preventing people from using their data in recent months

[16:39:09]

iamlindoro:

so many site changes/problems

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gbee:

aye, this looks like a definate attempt to beat the image scraping, shame

[16:40:12]

gbee:

but I guess it just means we'll have to accelerate our switch to other sources

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iamlindoro:

omdb FTW

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gbee:

no joke, some of the images I'm getting are truely dire

[16:41:02]

gbee:

themoviedb.org FTW I think

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gbee:

since it's an English language site, using data from omdb and with a nice API

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gbee:

plus the guy behind it set it up for mythtv

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gbee:

err, sorry, misunderstood there – last bit isn't at all true

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iamlindoro:

I got the impression that themoviedb was in some way a fork of the data from OMDB, but I can't recall where

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gbee:

it was seemingly setup with Media centre software in mind though

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iamlindoro:

I thought for XBMC purposes, actually

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iamlindoro:

" TMDb is actually based on OMDB just with an easier to use API and a

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iamlindoro:

focus around fan art and posters."

[16:44:54]

iamlindoro:

there we go, from -dev

[16:45:03]

iamlindoro:

So looks like it might be the same movie data with some shinies

[16:46:17]

iamlindoro:

that said, sounds better, I like shinies

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iamlindoro:

http://www.geektonic.com/2008/11/tv-fall-2008 . . . d-shows.html

[16:49:52]

iamlindoro:

Ugh, read the "on the bubble and in trouble" list as "list of most shows iamlindoro watches," *sigh*

[16:54:48]

cbryeaw1:

Hi everyone, I am having trouble getting XvMC working. I followed the mythtv Wiki on how to set it up, I edited my xorg.conf and XvMCConfig, and XVideo-MotionCompensation is being loaded, but mythtv is giving me a VideoOutputXv: Desired video renderer 'xvmc-blit' not available error. I have GeForce 6150 and I'm using the nvidia 177 drivers. Any have any ideas for me?

[16:55:16]

cbryeaw1:

also it works fine in mplayer when I force the -vo to use xvmc

[16:57:40]

iamlindoro:

Did you compile myth with --enable-xvmc?

[16:57:46]

iamlindoro:

also, what is your processor?

[16:58:28]

cbryeaw1:

yes mythfrontend --version has using_xvmc using_xvmcw using_xvmc_vld

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cbryeaw1:

processor is an amd64 2400+

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iamlindoro:

Unless you're trying to do HD, you shouldn't need xvmc at all with that processor-- xvmc is an evil vixen

[17:02:01]

cbryeaw1:

i am doing HD

[17:02:27]

cbryeaw1:

it runs, but loads down my CPU very heavily, and starts skipping if I change the volume etc

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iamlindoro:

I would recompile. Your setup within linux itself sounds correct, but I'm not convinced your myth is compiled properly

[17:03:38]

wagnerrp:

2400+ or 3400+ (or 2.4GHz)?

[17:03:48]

gbee:

iamlindoro: a few definite disappointments on that list, especially considering how thin on the ground US imports are over here at the moment, most of them look to have been cancelled ...

[17:04:17]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Pushing Daisies/Chuck/Terminator would bother me most, and I might express mild disappointment about Heroes

[17:04:26]

cbryeaw1:

well I didn't compile myth, just using the distro version

[17:04:37]

cbryeaw1:

2400+ 2GHz

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iamlindoro:

so remove the packages and compile your own

[17:05:28]

wagnerrp:

ok, just a bit surprised by that low number

[17:05:36]

gbee:

just started watching Life, too early to tell whether I'll be disappointed about that, but honestly those cancellations mean that whatever US imports are shown next year, they'll all be new series

[17:05:46]

wagnerrp:

my 3200+ is also 2GHz

[17:05:51]

iamlindoro:

or, buy a PC worth more than $30, that would work ;)

[17:06:35]

cbryeaw1:

err actually, sorry, it is a 3200+

[17:06:42]

iamlindoro:

gbee, It's a shame because I hate "episodic" programming and love the serialized stuff, but it's always the stuff with ongoing stories that does poorly because it requires two brain cells to rub together

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wagnerrp:

my 3200 plays HD just fine without xvmc

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cbryeaw1:

I can never remember the amd pr numbers, but I just looked at it, it's a 3200+

[17:07:27]

wagnerrp:

although it had some issues with playback when there was a commflag in the background

[17:07:59]

cbryeaw1:

it does play HD fine, but like I said there is some skipping when the OSD pops up (even with fade off)

[17:08:08]

wagnerrp:

ah

[17:08:40]

wagnerrp:

ive always wondered where they get these ratings from

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wagnerrp:

ive never been called for a survey

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wagnerrp:

i may even be willing to let mythtv publish usage statistics

[17:09:30]

cbryeaw1:

why is xvmc so bad? is it a cheap hack? I would think it would be awesome to take some load off my cpu

[17:09:53]

wagnerrp:

xvmc is so bad because it tends to be a hassle to get working

[17:10:08]

wagnerrp:

too much hassle for the limited mpeg2 decode offload that it provides, anyway

[17:10:36]

wagnerrp:

several years ago, xvmc would be great

[17:10:41]

wagnerrp:

now, its fairly unneeded

[17:10:44]

cbryeaw1:

ya, I feel like I almost got it working, I mean it works with mplayer, just mythtv doesn't want to use it for some reason

[17:10:53]

wagnerrp:

any 7-series chips or better dont even support it any longer

[17:11:32]

iamlindoro:

It's also bad because there are a fair number of obnoxious drawbacks once it *is* working and it only saves you a few percent anyway

[17:11:49]

wagnerrp:

although 8-series and better just received the shiny new VPDAU

[17:12:03]

wagnerrp:

so the 7-series users are rather SOL

[17:12:44]

** iamlindoro giggles a little at all the people in the past $SomeNumber years we'e advised that a 5xxx series or better was "just as good as a brand new card" **

[17:13:09]

wagnerrp:

bah, screw 'em

[17:13:13]

wagnerrp:

theyre out $30

[17:13:47]

wagnerrp:

i bought my 6200 and i liked it

[17:15:35]

wagnerrp:

well the last couple months, i had been advising that the 8-series chips *may* have hardware decoding in the future

[17:17:27]

clever:

i think i have hardware decoding in my laptop gpu

[17:17:34]

gbee:

iamlindoro: it's going to be interesting to see what the schedules are like over here next year, they've been somewhat propped up by imports

[17:17:36]

clever:

wagnerrp: the one you said was a similar design:)

[17:17:58]

wagnerrp:

i told you it was a rebadged 8400

[17:18:04]

clever:

ahhh

[17:18:26]

clever:

i was reading 4% cpu on a file that the c2d had trouble with a few hours before

[17:18:26]

wagnerrp:

all the quadros are just desktop cards with some extra features enabled by the drivers

[17:18:29]

cbryeaw1:

so would upgrading to an 8 series help video playback performance?

[17:18:32]

clever:

while copying it in thru scp!

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wagnerrp:

at most, they would have some additional frame buffer

[17:19:02]

wagnerrp:

cbryeaw1: for mythvideo, if you switch from Internal to mplayer, yes

[17:19:05]

iamlindoro:

gbee, In the spring we get to watch Joss Whedon's new show go down in flames because a) It's on fox, b) They made him reshoot the pilot (Worked so great for Firefly!) and they're putting it on Friday night (worked so great for Firefly!)

[17:19:09]

wagnerrp:

for mythtv, give it a couple months

[17:19:27]

wagnerrp:

the drivers and applications are still in beta form

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clever:

im in the middle of putting the beta nvidia into my 'production' root

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wagnerrp:

they released a patched version of ffmpeg to use the acceleration, but that would mean another ffmpeg sync, which was already done in trunk just a couple weeks ago

[17:20:13]

clever:

ive allready tested it under a test root on a usb stick

[17:20:47]

clever:

wagnerrp: cant you apply that ffmpeg patch to the private copy of ffmpeg in myth?

[17:20:49]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt expect it to have support in mainline until the next major release of mythtv

[17:21:25]

wagnerrp:

clever: AFAIK, myth is not set up to just directly link in the ffmpeg libraries

[17:21:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery, VERY good responsed to the -users thread re: VDPAU, the complaining was driving me insane. Some people can't be happy.

[17:21:40]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, the sync in trunk wouldnt have been a big deal

[17:22:02]

clever:

*confused* :P

[17:23:33]

iamlindoro:

only four of the libavcodec patches don't apply to myths, and they're easily manually applied

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clever:

and then you could commit it to mythtv svn

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iamlindoro:

There is likely more work in writing the output driver/etc. into mythfrontend itself

[17:25:13]

clever:

yeah

[17:25:19]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it probably wouldn't be wise to diverge too much from libavcodec, and those patches are likely to change

[17:25:35]

clever:

theres a defect in the mplayer patches, where it trys to use the new output even when its disabled, leading to link errors

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gbee:

time to start drawing up my shopping list and comparing prices :/

[17:30:53]

sid3windr:

[16|18:18:26] < wagnerrp> all the quadros are just desktop cards with some extra features enabled by the drivers

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sid3windr:

stereoscopy is simply a driver feature?

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wagnerrp:

stereoscopy is part of that 'they would have some additional frame buffer'

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sid3windr:

:]

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wagnerrp:

stereo rendering has nothing to do with any sort of special hardware

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sid3windr:

true

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wagnerrp:

it just has to do with the quadro cards being quad buffered, rather than tri buffered

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wagnerrp:

as long as you dont have to drive the displays in-sync, i dont see why you couldnt manage it with a tri-buffered card

[17:33:42]

wagnerrp:

i mean that is exactly what shutter glasses do

[17:34:21]

wagnerrp:

and a good deal of the quadro cards dont have quad buffering, nearly all of them dont have genlock

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clever:

brb

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wagnerrp:

just leaving the custom driver enhancements for specific CAD applications

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clever:

back, nvidia drivers going!

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clever:

now to get the new mplayer again

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clever:

A: 20.0 V: 20.0 A-V: 0.000 ct: -0.062 0/ 0 34% 14% 1.4% 39 0 82%

[18:01:13]

clever:

A: 20.0 V: 20.0 A-V: 0.000 ct: -0.062 0/ 0 45% 7% 1.5% 9 0 82%

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clever:

with and without the nvidia features enabled :)

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Lynet:

What else would it be?

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Lynet:

argh. wrong #

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kormoc:

you have a phone to irc gateway?

[18:09:30]

** kormoc blinks **

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Lynet:

# as in channel

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Lynet:

clever: What bitrate was that, and what cpu/gfx do you have?

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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clever:

VIDEO: [avc1] 1280x720 24bpp 23.976 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)

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clever:

Lynet: its relatively low bitrate, my core2duo 1.8ghz was able to handle it in 1 core

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Lynet:

clever: Making xmas shopping list for HD capable frontend, so. Just wondering if nVidia 8x00 mobo + cheapest cpu currently available would be sufficient.

[18:22:18]

clever:

Lynet: ive been told the quadro is just a rebranded 8400

[18:29:26]

pradhapnirmalnat:

Hi

[18:30:01]

Blaidd:

I"m running into a problem and looking for advice. I have a backup directory on a windows machine that is mounted to on myht ubuntu mythbox. I would like to be able to copy files over to this backup drive and then perform other operations on them, but when I cp the file with a user job (even with perserve) the access rights are only for root, so I can't set up other user jobs to do anything to the file. I'm pretty su

[18:30:01]

Blaidd:

re it's because the windows back up drive is an ntfs drive and so linux can't maintain the permissons. I'm pretty sure fat32 has the same issue. Is there any drive format that I can use in windows that will let linux maintain its permissions?

[18:30:48]

pradhapnirmalnat:

sorry to ask this question again, if I am successful in compiling against Qt Embedded, do I assume that all plugins that come with MythTV will work out of the box?

[18:31:10]

pradhapnirmalnat:

or will have to do some more work based on what plugin does

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gbee:

pradhapnirmalnat: may need more work

[18:44:35]

pradhapnirmalnat:

gbee: thanks, do you know any successful ports of MythTV using Qt Embedded and how far they have gotten? I looked into the archives and I do not see any successful ones

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gbee:

not heard of any attempts before

[18:45:42]

GreyFoxx:

Blah, I really hate being sick

[18:46:10]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, so don't be. it's all in your mnd, man!

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GreyFoxx:

if only :)

[18:47:15]

gbee:

proving difficult to find what I want from a motherboard :(

[18:47:17]

** directhex spreads a little freedom-killing poison about. merry xmas! **

[18:47:26]

directhex:

gbee, coffee maker and teeth flosser?

[18:47:32]

GreyFoxx:

well I gotta say, the new nvidia driver and mplayer patches make a crazy difference :)

[18:48:15]

gbee:

heh

[18:49:21]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, is it just VC-1 so far, or other HD codecs too?

[18:50:14]

GreyFoxx:

Mpeg1/2, h264m wmv3, and wc-1

[18:50:34]

RDV_Linux:

Question: Is there a way for an external script (shell or python) to detect that mythtv has a recording in-progress? I would be running the script from the backend itself.

[18:50:36]

GreyFoxx:

all at 720p ot 1080i/p in the samples they listed

[18:50:40]

directhex:

so....... 8000-series plus bbc-hd = win?

[18:50:45]

gbee:

directhex: well given the recent news I was hoping to combine an AM2+ board with dual-head (both digital), 8200/8300 IGP with ATX for under £60, a few matx boards fit but nothing ATX

[18:50:47]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

[18:51:08]

directhex:

GreyFoxx, and patching this into myth for 0.22 has become a top priority, right? ;)

[18:51:28]

GreyFoxx:

It's crazy, I don't top 2–3% usage on any of them, without it's anywhere from 40–70%

[18:51:32]

gbee:

might have to settle for the first board I looked at and throw in an PCI-E card for the second monitor – but then why bother with the 8200 IGP if I do that?

[18:51:49]

GreyFoxx:

dire:We'll see :)

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jams:

RDV_Linux- you could parse the output of http://backendip:6544

[18:52:33]

directhex:

fuck, and i just bought a 7000-series

[18:52:42]

GreyFoxx:

I've got 2 PCI-e 8xxx series cards in this frontend

[18:52:53]

GreyFoxx:

befre I could really only play 1 HD video at atime

[18:52:58]

GreyFoxx:

now I could do dozens heh

[18:53:12]

GreyFoxx:

well, I guess only 2 being only 2 gpu's :)

[18:53:21]

kormoc:

or 4

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directhex:

nvidia punk'd amd on this. UVD support appeared, yet without any real-world proof-of-concept code.....

[18:53:34]

kormoc:

they said they'll allow more then one video per gpu real soon now

[18:53:41]

GreyFoxx:

Wow really?

[18:53:43]

GreyFoxx:

lol

[18:53:51]

gbee:

I was hoping to save space/power/heat by avoiding the discrete GPU in favour of IGP

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jduggan:

gbee: and cables, if you can run sound over hdmi

[18:54:17]

jduggan:

:o

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gbee:

directhex: yeah they did, not AMD's fault though, they were licensing that stuff and couldn't just hand over code examples and docs to the OSS community – AMD beat Nvidia to the driver support, but Nvidia is going to beat them to application support

[18:55:40]

directhex:

again

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gbee:

jduggan: not connecting it to a TV, this is my development/desktop machine, so audio over HDMI isn't a priority this time

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gbee:

which is also the reason I want dual-head, since I can't go back to working with a single screen

[18:58:01]

jduggan:

ok

[18:58:02]

jduggan:

but

[18:58:08]

jduggan:

thats my criteria for a new board

[18:58:09]

jduggan:

:O

[18:58:26]

gbee:

:)

[18:58:58]

jduggan:

i think i may wait a few months for more 9xxx boards and cheaper prices

[18:59:08]

jduggan:

its going to be a while before myth can use it anyway..

[18:59:15]

Lynet:

gbee: ATI released only programming informatio, right? While nVidia released a full binary driver including codecs plus sample code/patches for?

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gbee:

Lynet: ATI released a driver and libs, Nvidia released a driver, libs and code examples/documentation

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Chutt:

and a header file

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gbee:

nvidia hasn't released codecs, it doesn't need to

[19:00:23]

Chutt:

kinda important :p

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Lynet:

gbee: Ah, gotcha.

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RDV_Linux:

jams: Thanks!

[19:01:35]

gbee:

the only difference between what ATi and Nvidia did was the examples/documentation and as Chutt says, the header

[19:02:26]

gbee:

ATi weren't apparently able to do the same because they were licensing some of the tech from another firm and it breached their contract to release details of the API

[19:02:48]

GreyFoxx:

and the patches... lets not forget that. PAtches to the most commonly used apps and libraries showing how to use it all along with the docs

[19:02:49]

gbee:

but they tell us that reverse engineering said API etc should be easy

[19:03:06]

GreyFoxx:

and that patching/install was crazy simple :)

[19:03:10]

Lynet:

Ah cool, so that's where I put my Win98 VM.

[19:03:28]

sid3windr:

that's where you reach for your revolver

[19:03:59]

jocolz:

whats with the xvmc wrapper for ati xvba in catalyst 8.10?

[19:04:52]

Chutt:

gbee, also, ati didn't expose any of the deinterlacing/display stuff

[19:05:24]

gbee:

aye, Nvidia were definately out to give AMD a kicking, I think what Nvidia did was unusual for them considering their past interaction with the community, which is why I think they were pushed from within ;)

[19:05:48]

RDV_Linux:

jams: I am having trouble connecting to http://backendip:6544 is something wrong with the link?

[19:06:14]

mchou:

gbee: who the hell cares?

[19:06:16]

jams:

replace backendip with the ip address of your myth box

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gbee:

mchou: who cares that you don't care?

[19:06:38]

mchou:

gbee: ATi crap just vaporware as usual

[19:07:36]

mchou:

gbee: when I said "care" I was referring to you "pushed from within" comment

[19:07:42]

mchou:

your*

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** gbee wonders if mchou is so unpleasant in person **

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** mchou wonders when gbee is going get off ad hominem attacks and focus on real issues **

[19:09:09]

gbee:

wtf?

[19:09:26]

mchou:

gbee: yeah, wtf??

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iamlindoro:

gbee, You'll never get elected president this way ;)

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jocolz:

yea, i got a serious question, is h.264 hw acceleration possible on openchrome drivers?

[19:10:08]

** iamlindoro wonders if presidential election jokes translate for the UK folks **

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iamlindoro:

jocolz, no

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jocolz:

o well

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RDV_Linux:

jams: Duh:) Sorry I just saw a link and clicked. I was expecting code example. Thanks!

[19:10:52]

iamlindoro:

jocolz, The only places it's possible/will be possible are with the new XvBA from ATI and VDPAU from nvidia. These are very recent developments

[19:11:54]

jocolz:

but no patches for myth so far?

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Chutt:

given that the nv driver is 2 days old?

[19:12:16]

Chutt:

no :p

[19:12:18]

iamlindoro:

jocolz, not just yet, it'll be a bit

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jocolz:

ok

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jams:

RDV_Linux- you could also try this script http://www.ohloh.net/projects/9906

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Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -b *!darkwiza@*

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C0p3rn1c:

ok it's official, my saa7134 framegrabber tuner is supported by tvtime but not by mythtv

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Mode for #mythtv-users by kormoc!n=kormoc@unaffiliated/kormoc : -b *!Ady@unaffiliated/rambo3

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RDV_Linux:

jams: Thanks again

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jams:

RDV_Linux- your welcome

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C0p3rn1c:

why is it that tvtime works pretty well and mythtv doesnt work at all with a saa7134 card?

[19:26:10]

iamlindoro:

Myth detects the number of $localcurrency you spent on your card and if it's not double digits it refuses to work

[19:26:29]

C0p3rn1c:

:D

[19:27:02]

C0p3rn1c:

eeevvvillll =)

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sid3windr:

it also worked fine with my saa7134

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wagnerrp:

what if youre russian?

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C0p3rn1c:

lol

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clever:

newattack e3 6896131gainville (#680)Britannia (#9)86494841140348xMxExTx xICNx 01655173737

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clever:

wrong room

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C0p3rn1c:

sid3windr: actually I have a saa7134HL

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sid3windr:

YOU SUNK MY BATTLESHIP

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wagnerrp:

4-digit for rubles?

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C0p3rn1c:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Why do I suddenly get the distinct sense clever is up to no good

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C0p3rn1c:

ok so, your telling me I should move to russia ? :)

[19:29:50]

C0p3rn1c:

to get better reception

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C0p3rn1c:

:D

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C0p3rn1c:

http://www.mythtv.org/bugs/ error-404 Not found =)

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bsdfox:

so, watching football in "livetv" mode, it freezes (happens often) I exit out and try to start livetv again and it immediately brings me back to the menu. nothing in the frontend logs.. restarted mythfrontend and X but same thing

[20:44:39]

iamlindoro:

check the backend logs, your cause is likely there

[20:45:32]

sphery:

And might want to try watching it as a recording--i.e. set a recording rule for the show (and put it in the LiveTV rec group, if you like) with appropriate end-late as desired

[20:46:03]

trumee:

guys,is it possible to search for movies released a particular year in mythweb?

[20:46:06]

sphery:

It's likely to be more stable that way (as it's better tested).

[20:46:46]

trumee:

there is no year string in mythweb EPG search.

[20:47:11]

kormoc:

trumee, erm, click (Advanced) and try setting the Originally aired between dates?

[20:47:30]

trumee:

kormoc, i was blind. got it :)

[20:48:07]

wagnerrp:

yeah, just put the date 1–3 years after when the movie was in theaters

[20:48:38]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I was actually fairly sure that was the actual release date in theaters, but perhaps not

[20:48:46]

wagnerrp:

unless are you just looking for a time frame for movies in general?

[20:48:54]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i have no idea to be honest

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bsdfox:

iamlindoro: yep, thanks

[20:49:50]

wagnerrp:

ok, yeah. godfather 2 – 1974, godfather – 1972, american beauty – 1999, wizard of oz – 1939

[20:49:56]

wagnerrp:

seems it is the theater date

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Jenetik:

2008-11–16 16:08:12.581 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/darkside/9831_20081109183332.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed. <- How can I remove these mythbackend entries, I have like 100+ files that don't exist, and using the "Delete previous" recorded programs in the frontend doesn't remove them

[21:09:39]

Jenetik:

I tried using that remove_orphans script, but it doesn't work

[21:10:05]

Jenetik:

Can I go into the myconverg DB and remove all of em somehow?

[21:12:32]

iamlindoro:

did you do the find orphans script with option --dodbdelete?

[21:12:56]

Jenetik:

uhh, nope

[21:13:07]

iamlindoro:

running it by itself only tells you which are orphans

[21:13:18]

iamlindoro:

and it specifically tells you if you want to remove them which switch to use.

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iamlindoro:

--dodbdelete for db orphans, --dodelete for file orphans

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Jenetik:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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sphery:

gbee: jpabq was mentioning some 9300/9400-based mobos yesterday (17:49:05 US EST). One's an Asus (that's out) and the other a Gigabyte (that's due within a couple weeks). He didn't mention model numbers, but I'm sure he'd tell you if you asked.

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kkuno:

hi

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kkuno:

should I have a "myth" user and group

[21:17:42]

kkuno:

or "mythtv"

[21:17:42]

kkuno:

?

[21:17:48]

kkuno:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythNews

[21:18:20]

iamlindoro:

Not necessary. Some Myth distros create them for you, but Myth can be run by any user with the correct permissions and configuration

[21:18:49]

iamlindoro:

which is to say file permissions, DB permissions, permissions to the devices, and a valid ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[21:19:51]

kkuno:

uhm

[21:20:04]

kkuno:

so the news are stored by the frontend ?

[21:20:18]

iamlindoro:

Yes, mythnews runs on the frontend

[21:20:21]

kkuno:

ok

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Just caught your comment from earlier. Thanks. As you noticed, I was also annoyed by the complaining.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Then you've probably noticed that he's come back with more misinformed ranting and complaining

[21:26:44]

iamlindoro:

"As far as I can tell the only difference betwen purevideo and purevideo HD is HDCP"

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kormoc:

Ooh! Who's the winner who said that?

[21:27:01]

sphery:

Nope. Hadn't seen that, yet. Been doing laundry before a trip.

[21:27:29]

kkuno:

on the mediacenter I run 18 daemons at boot :D

[21:27:29]

sphery:

Same guy who was complaining that NVIDIA isn't supporting his <old> GPU with the new VDPAU.

[21:27:47]

sphery:

kkuno: time for an exorcism?

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kkuno:

rofl

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iamlindoro:

If you respond again, just let him/the list know that If your card can bitstream it, VDPAU can do it. Simple as that. 8xxx series can bitstream MPEG12 and h.264 and 9200/9300 can bitstream the previous plus VC-1. The end. VDPAU isn't purevideo. And kick him in the teeth.

[21:28:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery/kormoc: Newest response is http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /238864.html

[21:29:35]

sphery:

I was just going to get the link, but you out-paced me

[21:29:44]

iamlindoro:

heh

[21:30:26]

kormoc:

what a name, "Justin The Cynical"

[21:30:43]

iamlindoro:

As nice as it would be to do partial offload where possible, it's a $30 video card, get the heck over it

[21:30:49]

kormoc:

and thank you, that's my yearly re-enforcement that staying off the -users list is the right thing :P

[21:30:59]

sphery:

I love this one: "If the marketing names are about the same, it doesn't mean that the engineering is."

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sphery:

oh, wait... that's right--I misread it as "doesn't it"

[21:32:03]

sphery:

too bad my copy/paste isn't as dyslexic as I am

[21:32:13]

sphery:

(it was funnier the way I read it)

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iamlindoro:

ugh, the chorus of me-toos begins

[21:33:48]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /238866.html

[21:34:07]

iamlindoro:

Seriously, bitching because your $130 Apple TV can't use it????

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iamlindoro:

Your appliance is meant to do the things the appliance does well-- you shouldn't even be running MYTH on it as far as I'm concerned

[21:35:19]

clever:

iamlindoro: have you noticed the lack of OSD in the patched mplayer?

[21:35:29]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I also like the fact that he smoked 30 cigs a day (according to his sig)

[21:35:38]

iamlindoro:

clever, Yes, there's no compositing in VDPAU's mplayer patches yet

[21:35:45]

clever:

ahhh:)

[21:35:49]

clever:

but somehow subtitles do work

[21:35:59]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, yuck

[21:36:18]

iamlindoro:

There are a trove of funny sigs on -users, too

[21:36:31]

iamlindoro:

the "Software Engineer, Personal Trainer" one is one I like a lot

[21:36:46]

iamlindoro:

as well as the guy who puts ", B.Sc" after his name

[21:36:53]

iamlindoro:

congrats, you went to college.

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kormoc:

haha

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kormoc:

wow

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kormoc:

60mg of Nicotine is the ld50, and he's right at there

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kormoc:

his smoking would have killed 50% of humans

[21:38:25]

iamlindoro:

Yowch

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sphery:

Had to respond. Not too creative this time--means I should stop responding (I'm getting too emotional).

[21:39:37]

iamlindoro:

Should have pointed out that This is *not* Purevideo even if it uses the same hardware

[21:40:58]

iamlindoro:

I imagine that's why nvidia was careful to call this VDPAU and never use the word Purevideo in their announcement

[21:41:09]

iamlindoro:

as opposed to something like "Purevideo Linux"

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sphery:

true

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sphery:

like I said, not too creative.

[21:41:35]

kormoc:

could always point out the fact that they're not charging us for it, unlike purevideo

[21:42:01]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Do you buy a user license for it in Windows?

[21:42:08]

kormoc:

Aye

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iamlindoro:

wow.

[21:42:21]

iamlindoro:

Not to mention free access to the API, bet that's not cheap in windows either

[21:42:35]

sphery:

No, don't. Then Sisvel will come after us and then we'll get shut down.

[21:42:51]

kormoc:

Purevideo costs between $20 and $50 in windows (depends on the feature set)

[21:43:00]

kormoc:

http://store.nvidia.com/DRHM/servlet/SecureCo . . . ryID=5621900

[21:43:32]

sphery:

(Sisvel just came after Openmoko for distributing builds for the FreeRunner phones that included ffmpeg and its associated M P 2 and 3

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iamlindoro:

Wow, that's crazy, I had no idea-- I don't recall paying for it w/ my 7-series in windows but maybe it comes with some basic version (or maybe it comes with powerDVD w/ the HD add on)

[21:44:46]

kormoc:

You have to buy the $50 version to get DTS audio, then $30 for 'High quality decoding' of HD

[21:45:04]

kormoc:

A form of it comes with PowerDVD, aye

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iamlindoro:

[21:45:11]

gbee:

sphery: thanks, I'll ask

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iamlindoro:

That was exactly it I bet

[21:45:31]

kormoc:

but yeah, could always point out that they're giving it for free, vs charging more then the video card costs...

[21:46:26]

sphery:

I have to wonder how the CODEC license thing comes into play with this. I guess NVIDIA/ATI must be paying a per-GPU licensing cost, anyway, so it doesn't cost them more.

[21:46:47]

sphery:

(But I thought part of the reason they charged for PureVideo on Windows was the MPEG* licenses.)

[21:47:13]

kormoc:

perhaps they recouped enough money that they don't need to try to license it to the linux users?

[21:47:19]

iamlindoro:

Oh that would REALLY set some of the hippies off

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sphery:

I can't wait to see the link to some upset Windows user posting that theory on /.

[21:48:36]

GreyFoxx:

They probably just licensed something for the olderboards that they implemented themselves in the new stuff. AndVDPAU just covers the bits/cards they don\t have to pay someone for

[21:49:16]

GreyFoxx:

So X isn\t supported on OLDCARD not because old card couldn't do it, but becauethey didn't want to have to deal with licensing for it on those

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kormoc:

that makes sense

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that makes good sense-- and explains the "needs to be bitstreamable" thing too

[21:50:21]

iamlindoro:

you don't have to expose info about the various codecs if you just feed the whole thing to the "black box" of the GPU

[21:50:57]

iamlindoro:

versus IDCT/MC you would probably have to give away patented info about the codec

[21:51:49]

janneg:

they have to pay for the patents.

[21:52:08]

janneg:

hardware or software doesn't make a difference

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iamlindoro:

excuse me, I should ahve said "covered by NDA"

[21:52:43]

iamlindoro:

s/give away patented info/share info covered by NDAs with patent holders/

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kormoc:

janneg, unless as of the 8xxx cards they started rolling the patent fee into the hardware costs?

[21:53:28]

kormoc:

in any case, I for one am very thanksful it's being given away free to us linux users

[21:54:10]

kormoc:

and I think that anyone that's willing to complain about being given something for free should shove it

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AndyCap:

kormoc: even heroin? :)

[21:56:12]

kormoc:

Sure, heroin is great when your arm just got lopped off! :P

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AndyCap:

the addiction free morphine

[21:57:00]

AndyCap:

oops, wait scratch that.

[21:57:26]

qfx:

and better when it's free!

[21:58:09]

kormoc:

If someone could garentee a steady, free stream of morphine/heroin for the rest of my life, I doubt I'd complain :P

[21:58:34]

kormoc:

Now granted, I might just sell it off and make some extra cash, but I wouldn't complain!

[21:59:09]

sphery:

kormoc is wishing he had taken the blue pill

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iamlindoro:

Interesting you would say that just as I'm ripping the Matrix HD-DVD

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qfx:

It was just candy

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I saw it on the task list on your Windows box.

[22:00:20]

iamlindoro:

heh

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jduggan:

hrm

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jduggan:

i bet you can pick up hddvds for cheap

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sphery:

just ask iamlindoro

[22:01:12]

iamlindoro:

yep, pretty much the whole library for $2–7

[22:01:14]

kormoc:

jduggan, $2-$7 is the going rate according to some

[22:01:46]

iamlindoro:

and the Xbox 360 HD-DVD drive is about $30 online, but I have seen then in stroe on clearance for $20

[22:02:16]

jduggan:

my brother has the drive and only used it twice

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iamlindoro:

So you could get about 30 1080p movies that will play nicely in curent trunk or the forthcoming .22, plus the drive to rip them, for < $100

[22:04:26]

iamlindoro:

and then the drive to buy hard drives begins

[22:04:46]

jduggan:

heh

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iamlindoro:

http://search.inetvideo.com/search?w=hd+dvd&view=grid

[22:06:18]

jduggan:

crazy

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jduggan:

i'm .uk

[22:07:05]

jduggan:

but

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jduggan:

even on ebay

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jduggan:

its cheap

[22:07:17]

jduggan:

only thing with ebay is they try and make the money on postage

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sphery:

ahhh... more wonderful drivel on the "Why can't NVIDIA support my old GPU" thread.

[22:07:34]

jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

on nv forums? or myth list?

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iamlindoro:

It's like a car crash, I can't not look

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jduggan:

haha

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dustybin:

how much space would 30 ripped HD movies take up

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jduggan:

30*30

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jduggan:

:o

[22:09:08]

jduggan:

average

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iamlindoro:

30 is more like the high end

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iamlindoro:

my largest is Casino Royale at 32 GB

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jduggan:

gives a good minimum

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iamlindoro:

17–20 on the low end

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

lets say 20 as a average

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jduggan:

id say 25

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jduggan:

average

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iamlindoro:

http://rafb.net/p/BqkwzV68.html

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jduggan:

iamlindoro says 17–20 is lowend

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dustybin:

roughly 40 movies per 1TB

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iamlindoro:

Examples. EVO is HD-DVD, m2ts is Bluray, blurays tend to be the larger ones

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iamlindoro:

A good rough guess

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iamlindoro:

50 on the high side, 30 on the low is about right

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XLV:

MPAA has stocks of hdd manufs

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sphery:

jduggan: the thread's on mythtv-users

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XLV:

they make their money from there

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sphery:

FYI – New HW video accellAPI from NVIDIA

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sphery:

has all the people complaining about their GPU's not being supported.

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XLV:

also thats why dvdr dl prices havent yet been lowered to some sane level, or the br writeable disks

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XLV:

sphery, its pretty new.. some problems and configuring/tweaking is expected..

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XLV:

btw VDPAU.. the acronym is comical.. it reminds me of some text that appears in comics when one slaps another

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sphery:

heh, yeah, doesn't really roll off the tounge

[22:31:12]

sphery:

tongue

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iamlindoro:

I figure the pronunciation ought to be Vee-dee-pow, yaeh

[22:31:19]

iamlindoro:

er yeah

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kormoc:

I was thinking 'Vlad-Plew'

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sphery:

I like how the guy to whom I gave the "biting the hand that feeds" reference comes back with, "I don't have to use the NVidia driver if I don't want to," (since he could use the nv driver). Um, yeah, sure, go ahead and do that and quit complaining that NVIDIA's drivers don't provide VDPAU for your GPU.

[22:33:26]

iamlindoro:

I know this sounds weird, but it also reminds me of the kind who got Mary Kay Letourneau pregnant.

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iamlindoro:

Vili Fulaau

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XLV:

niveau will be ready in 10 years or so, so there will be an alternative

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clever:

sphery: i dont have to use nv or nvidia:P, ive used vesa before!

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iamlindoro:

But by then only clever will own the hardware

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sphery:

clever: true... Maybe he should use that.

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clever:

sphery: vesa doesnt even have xv :P

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jduggan:

sphery: yea, i saw the news yesterday (VDPAU)

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sphery:

yeah, people are now using it to complain because evil NVIDIA isn't supporting their old GPU's. And--if they want VDPAU--they may have to spend (*gasp*) $20-$30 to get it.

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mchou:

VDPAU, sounds like a STD

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mchou:

sphery: umm, where do you find nvidia 9x series for $30?

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AndyCap:

the problem is that you now have three api's for video accelleration.

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sphery:

I have a GF7800 GTX that I paid >$500 for, and I'm not complaining that they don't support VDPAU on my card.

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mchou:

cheapest I've found is around$50 after MIR

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/357610#357610

[22:42:16]

sphery:

It's actually the 8x00 series, but they support VDPAU

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XLV:

9500gt is like 50 euro here

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wagnerrp:

ugh...

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wagnerrp:

playing Resistance 2

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wagnerrp:

getting my ass kicked by Skyscraper Man

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oneforall:

can you play dvd/avi/mkv etc with out setting it up for tv ? I don't have a tv tuner card nor want one .

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iamlindoro:

You can, but then Myth wouldn't be the right choice.

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oneforall:

But i herd it would play dvds etc Just last time I tried to use it I could't get it to do that and it allways wanted to setup the tv

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iamlindoro:

Myth is a DVR with plugins for media management/playback

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oneforall:

dvr? that like camcorders?

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kormoc:

oneforall, think VCR

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iamlindoro:

Nope, don't need a tuner card. But again, myth is the wrong choice for a media player.

[23:35:06]

iamlindoro:

DVR = Digital Video Recorder

[23:36:13]

iamlindoro:

heheh, The users list has been funny non stop today-- "A lot of movies these days come with a "sample", essentially a "trailer"."

[23:36:46]

iamlindoro:

Heh, only if you get your movie "studio" distributes its "films" with a .torrent extension

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oneforall:

well for playing I use the best mplayer:) but I was thinking for setting up a box to play dvd/avi/mkv etc for the home system. Getting sick of dvd players . But wanted one that was just for that . So when x opens its in a control center .

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iamlindoro:

XBMC/Eliza/etc. would be better if you just want to play static files.

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oneforall:

Eliza all i get for that is a chat bot :)

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iamlindoro:

elisa.fluendo.com

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Sensei_:

hi there

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Your chance to smack YL back to -users has come in -dev

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