Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, November 15th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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clever:

thats weird, i lost the xinit binary

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sphery:

clever: who needs a GUI, anyway?

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iamlindoro:

not clever, nosir, those just segfault all the time anyway

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iamlindoro:

BTW, just cleaned Fry's out of all the decent HD-DVD movies-- about $7 a piece... not bad for 1080p movies that work nicely in MythVideo

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sphery:

nice

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clever:

sphery: i think its fsck's fault

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clever:

it cleared 3 or 4 inodes durring the reboots

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clever:

but might also be nfs, i got a stale handle on the xinit binary when trying to reinstall

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sphery:

the downside of using a Flash version of NASA TV to decide when to step outside to watch the shuttle launch is figuring out how much delay they have in the stream...

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** iamlindoro plays musical GPUs **

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iamlindoro:

heh.... heheheheheheheheheheheheheheh

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iamlindoro:

23929 robert 20 0 264m 35m 18m S 2 0.4 0:00.76 mplayer

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iamlindoro:

Casino Royale Blu ray

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iamlindoro:

2%

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clever:

lol

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clever:

im leaning more towards nfs being the problem, a reboot solved it

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iamlindoro:

25730 robert 20 0 268m 38m 12m R 66 0.5 0:09.64 mplayer

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iamlindoro:

w/o GPU accel... 66%

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sphery:

nice

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clever:

what gpu?

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iamlindoro:

9800 GT

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clever:

nvidia?

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kormoc:

clever, no, bitboys

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clever:

never heard of them

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kormoc:

I wonder if their libav patches will apply to our playback style

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janneg:

iamlindoro: I'm missing a top for the gpu, but since they should handle 2 streams simultaneously it shouldn't be above 50%

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kormoc:

clever, bitboys was a joke, well above your head it seems

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kormoc:

janneg, depends on the streams, no?

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clever:

so it seems:P

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iamlindoro:

That's the highest bitrate movie I think I have.. hee hee-- Casino Royale is about 35 Mbit h.264

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iamlindoro:

janneg, It just makes me giddy, heh

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janneg:

kormoc: current patches need vpdau video out

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kormoc:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Nice to know I'm not pushing it ;)

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iamlindoro:

I guess I could see if I can get two 1080p streams going at once

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, in their docs, they say they currently only allow one stream at a time, but that will change soonish

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wagnerrp:

i went to an interview it raytheon this morning

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janneg:

iamlindoro: the email said it is currently limited to one stream

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wagnerrp:

25 engineers, all in fancy dress garb

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wagnerrp:

they serve us pasta (with tomato sauce) and barbecue wings for lunch

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok, I misunderstood and yes, it throws an error

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wagnerrp:

sphery: since purevideo capability is constant across the board, i figured it was dedicated hardware

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wagnerrp:

although i suppose the minimum capability of the video card could be set by what is necessary for purevideo

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, purevideo is limited to nvidia 8xxx+ roughly

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wagnerrp:

yes, but even the lowly integrated chips perform just as well as the GTX 280

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clever:

iamlindoro: is it just the 9800 gt or can it work on similar nvidia cards?

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janneg:

kormoc: no, that's PureVideoHD

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wagnerrp:

janneg: technically, my 6800 has some form of PureVideo

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iamlindoro:

clever, All 9xxx series and almost all 8xxx series

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iamlindoro:

and the 200 series

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wagnerrp:

but the recent release of hardware acceleration on linux only supports the 8xxx+ cards

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clever:

ahh, then it wont work on my nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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iamlindoro:

clever, nope

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wagnerrp:

clever: the 9800gt is just an upclocked 8800gt

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clever:

got any links with more info so i dont have to pester you?

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kormoc:

janneg, in the "New Video Decode and Presentation API", Andy Ritger emailed to our list, at the bottom is where he listed the supported cards, and they were all 8xxx+

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wagnerrp:

the later 8800s and the 9xxx series all use the G92 chip

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iamlindoro:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1

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iamlindoro:

the readme in the mplayer patches is also helpful

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janneg:

kormoc: yes, they support all PureVideoHD

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kormoc:

janneg, so erm, he said that's what's required for VDPAU, are saying that's wrong?

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kormoc:

ooh

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kormoc:

I see what you mean

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kormoc:

sorry

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kormoc:

I'm so hyped up on cold meds it's a wonder I can type at all

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wagnerrp:

clever: that quadro chip is based off the 8400M, so it *should* be supported by the hardware accelerated drivers

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janneg:

the 6600 and 7xxx have already PureVideo support but will not be supported by vdpau

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clever:

wagnerrp: ahh nice, is it all userspace or does it need kernel patches also?

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wagnerrp:

its a beta revision of the nvidia kernel module

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janneg:

it needs the latest nvidia betaa driver

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clever:

ahh

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wagnerrp:

plus some sample programs (including a branch of mplayer) to use it with

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wagnerrp:

all beta quality

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clever:

kernel&userspace :)

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clever:

i can bearly play the bbc hd sample right now, i assume this will massively improve it

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iamlindoro:

If it *is* dedicated purevideo hardware, there's a chance it's not in the quadros

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clever:

its a laptop gpu

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GreyFoxx:

iam: WOW what a difference

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I *want* to make it work hard, but I just don't know how!

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iamlindoro:

anyway, the #1 known issue being "system hangs/crashes" will keep me poking at it only occasionally ;)

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iamlindoro:

I wonder if there's anywhere I can find some really high end profile 4.1 stuff

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iamlindoro:

like 100 Mbitish

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wagnerrp:

make some of yourown

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iamlindoro:

Yeah

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kormoc:

take it to the next level, 10800p!

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wagnerrp:

just recompress some mpeg2, it doesnt matter if the quality isnt actually there

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iamlindoro:

Would be fun to see stuff that's not upsampled, that's all

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iamlindoro:

purely for fun

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wagnerrp:

well, can you transcode blink video?

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wagnerrp:

i believe that stuff is lossless

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wagnerrp:

its large enough, it should be

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iamlindoro:

Bink? It might have a lossless mode but I don't think it's all lossless

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iamlindoro:

"Bink can scale its data rate from 1200 kps for 1280x720p videos down to 75 kps for Nintendo DS videos. Bink will always make the best possible video for your data rate. " seems to imply not

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iamlindoro:

If 1200 Kbit 720p were lossless, we WOULD be using 10800p ;)

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt seem right, i thought i remember a couple minute video at <HD being several hundred MB

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rooaus:

ï»¿OT please forgive me, but there are a number of web folk in here. Have any of you tried Drupal web CMS? Would you recommend it? Want to get a site up quickly about Australian Internet Filtering (aka censorship), considering Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress.

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rooaus:

Just want a quick good/bad evaluation if you have used any of them before.

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rooaus:

End transmission.

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sid3windr:

wordpress rocks, 3 click setup, go for it. :]

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rooaus:

sid3windr: thanks. Anyone else?

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iamlindoro:

vdpau seems to not coexist nicely with hwac3

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clever:

for the massive gain in cpu, you could just decode the audio in software and accept it for now

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iamlindoro:

I'm not that desperate to get the gain, It can wait

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clever:

im looking arround but i dont see where to download the 180 driver

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iamlindoro:

fun to poke at, but I would be foolish to try to use it in "real life" right now

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iamlindoro:

There are direct links in the article I posted...

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clever:

i only saw the mplayer patch so far

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clever:

he catalyst drivers?

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iamlindoro:

Then you need to look closer, don't you?

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iamlindoro:

linked right in the text of the article...

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clever:

the text has over 15 links

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gustave_:

I am getting errors on make with a configure option of --enable-libfaad

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gustave_:

on latest SVN

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iamlindoro:

oh no, I guess it'll take all day to mouse over them then

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janneg:

I doubt nvidia will release amd's drivers

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gustave_:

anyone had info with that?

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clever:

iamlindoro: i did half of them and most seem to point to generic search results for the site

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iamlindoro:

oh well, better give up then

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dustybin:

clever: hes winding you up

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clever:

or ask somebody who knows exactly which one it is:P

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wagnerrp:

gustave_: what do you mean by 'svn'?

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gustave_:

trunk from an hour ago

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clever:

dustybin: might you know the answer?

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gustave_:

I have these installed: faad2.i386 2.6.1–8.fc8 installed

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dustybin:

nope

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gustave_:

faad2.x86_64 2.6.1–8.fc8 installed

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wagnerrp:

well then say trunk, saying svn is ambiguous

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gustave_:

faad2-devel.x86_64 2.6.1–8.fc8 installed

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wagnerrp:

there are multiple versions on svn

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gustave_:

yes

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iamlindoro:

clever, just read the god damn text, it TELLS you that it's linking you to the driver

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clever:

iamlindoro: i did read half ot it

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iamlindoro:

what a complete lazy slob you are

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gustave_:

19097 trunk

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jpabq:

gustave_, 64bit? Depending on your distribution, you may need something like "--libdir-name=lib64"

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clever:

iamlindoro: calling be lazy doesnt realy help, i sit on the couch half the day and bearly move:P

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gustave_:

I have that in there

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gustave_:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --libdir-name=lib64 --enable-libfaad

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iamlindoro:

I'm not trying to help you find the driver, if you can't do that yourself you don't deserve it

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iamlindoro:

especially in 500 words or so of text

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iamlindoro:

I'm trying to shame you into NOT being a lazy slob

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is go to the nvidia website, and search for beta drivers

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wagnerrp:

in the driver section, there is a link to it

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gustave_:

I just posted the make error to the mythtv-users list

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Enabler!

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gustave_:

dont want to pollute this list with make errors

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clever:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/

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wagnerrp:

i just guided him as to where to search

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clever:

i allready went directly to the download site and looked arround!

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wagnerrp:

they make this nice website for you, and you want to bypass it to root around an ftp?

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clever:

it was linked in #nvidia's topic :P

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, don't waste your breath on his idiocy

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clever:

wagnerrp: im used to sites like discoverychannel.ca where they only ever link the homepage in the tv show, and its imposible to find the info they mention

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wagnerrp:

ok, i went to the nvidia site, and in 5 clicks, have a link to the driver

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gustave_:

I am seeing a bunch of this in the make error: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-redhat-linux/4.1.2/../../../../lib64/libGL.so: undefined reference to `_nv001454gl'

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clever:

now its starting to sound like when i help idiots with mirc :P

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clever:

i close my eyes and type off 20 steps to do exactly what they want

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gustave_:

not sure if that could be related to the libfaad option

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clever:

by memory

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** dustybin feels like a naughty school kid when in this channel **

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wagnerrp:

gustave_: not at all, thats opengl issues, specifically issues with the binary nvidia drivers

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clever:

then have to repeat the steps 1 by 1 because the idiot cant even scroll up

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gustave_:

ok

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gustave_:

so I am seeing other issues on the libfaad option

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gustave_:

I am including that due to playback errors on mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

clever, And what is your opinion of those people? Because that is our opinion of you right now.

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clever:

iamlindoro: they worship me:P

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clever:

13:06 < Chef|Writing> no clever seems to be the god they worship =P

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wagnerrp:

so youre a god among people you call idoits?

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wagnerrp:

theres something to aspire to

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iamlindoro:

Most forms of worship are fairly unhealthy, this one included

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gustave_:

if I have the above faad rpms installed, should I be able to use libfaad?

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clever:

wagnerrp: its like bringing fire to a tribe of cave men :P

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clever:

wagnerrp: the simplest things amaze them

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iamlindoro:

clever, Then in this situation you are the caveman, in an amorphous blob sort of way

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iamlindoro:

congrats

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clever:

im more in the middle:P

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clever:

you just know about more advanced things

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iamlindoro:

like basic reading comprehension?

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iamlindoro:

and the single digit expenditure of calories therunto appertaining?

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wagnerrp:

the nvidia website has not changed significantly in the past several years

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wagnerrp:

it is not hard to navigate

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gustave_:

anyone want to discuss configure and libfaad?

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** iamlindoro scratches "appertaining" off the list of words he needs to use before dying **

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gustave_:

its much more rewarding that the nvidia stuff for sure

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wagnerrp:

make sure the include flags are set properly in the configure script

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iamlindoro:

gustave_, I don't think your compile errors are more fun than linux finally having GPU acceleration, sorry :)

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gustave_:

I am looking in configure now

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gustave_:

what should I be looking for? Path?

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive gone into the driver download center but it doesnt have an option for Quadro NVS 135M, i can only get it as close as Quadro NVS series

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iamlindoro:

They do fall somewhere between teaching clever basic hygiene and life skills and a root canal, though, with the root canal being the clear winner

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wagnerrp:

clever, the nvidia driver is the nvidia driver is the nvidia driver

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iamlindoro:

If only he could drag his courneas across another 250 words

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clever:

wagnerrp: then why the heck does the download page ask for the card?

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iamlindoro:

er corneas

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wagnerrp:

one driver to rule them all

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wagnerrp:

clever: to pacify those who dont know better

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clever:

lol

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clever:

and it turns up the 177 driver, not 180!

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wagnerrp:

there are exactly two windows drivers for all cards since the geforce 2s

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wagnerrp:

a 32-bit driver, and a 64-bit driver

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gustave_:

I see enabled libfaad && require2 libfaad faad.h faacDecOpen -lfaad

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Dude, seriously.

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gustave_:

which I have

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wagnerrp:

linux is the same, except i think the latest drop support with the 4 series or 5 series

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, If he really wanted to have the driver he would have read the rest of the article

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, They're linked RIGHT THERE

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iamlindoro:

If you read only the sentences with links in them you could find them in < 100 words

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clever:

iamlindoro: i skimed over the entire thing and didnt see it anywhere!!!

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iamlindoro:

then stop skimming

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iamlindoro:

and read

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clever:

but using the http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . .82-pkg1.run url from the download page, i got into the general area of the ftp server i want

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iamlindoro:

this is why your stuff breaks

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clever:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/180.06/

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iamlindoro:

This is symptomatic of what is wrong with you.

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wagnerrp:

indeed the links ARE on the page

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clever:

i only see 3 links on the entire page that go to nvidia.com

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clever:

the mplayer patch and what look to be 2 news articles

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wagnerrp:

gustave_: the linker does not like your libraries

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gustave_:

ok

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gustave_:

thoughts on what I can try perhaps

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iamlindoro:

and two of them are driver download, moron

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clever:

now that i actualy check that, yes :P

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gustave_:

wagnerrp: Should I try faad from source perhaps rather than rpm?

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clever:

i was expecting it to just be useless news saying they did it, go find it yourself

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to compile with a different version of GCC? or maybe 32-bit vs. 64-bit?

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gustave_:

dont think so

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gustave_:

just using make

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wagnerrp:

its refusing the load the 32-bit revisions of the libraries

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wagnerrp:

when it should be trying to load the 64-bit revisions

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gustave_:

right ok

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gustave_:

what would cause that

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wagnerrp:

faulty configure run

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wagnerrp:

quick check

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wagnerrp:

change the '-L/usr/lib' to '-L/usr/lib64' on the command you posted to -users

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gustave_:

this my config statement

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gustave_:

./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --libdir-name=lib64 --enable-libfaad

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gustave_:

change on the configure line?

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wagnerrp:

the command you pasted to -users, run just that line

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iamlindoro:

http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau . . . l/index.html

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wagnerrp:

gustave_: if that works without errors, 'make clean' the whole thing, and add '--extra-ldflags="-L/usr/lib64"' to the configure command

[01:25:06]

iamlindoro:

janneg, Did you see the above? Looks like it addresses deinterlace

[01:25:24]

gustave_:

I am getting this now

[01:25:28]

gustave_:

g++ -m64 -o mythtv version.o main.o -L../../libs/libmyth -L../../libs/libmythtv -L../../libs/libavutil -L../../libs/libavcodec -L../../libs/libavformat -L../../libs/libmythdb -L../../libs/libmythui -L../../libs/libmythupnp -lmythtv-0.22 -lmythavformat-0.22 -lmythavutil-0.22 -lmythavcodec-0.22 -lmythupnp-0.22 -lmyth-0.22 -lmythui-0.22 -lmythdb-0.22 -L../../libs/libmythlivemedia -lmythlivemedia-

[01:25:30]

gustave_:

0.22 -L../../libs/libmythfreemheg -lmythfreemheg-0.22 -lfreetype -lmp3lame -lraw1394 -liec61883 -lavc1394 -lrom1394 -L/usr/lib64 -ldirectfb -lfusion -ldirect -lz -lsysfs -ldl -L/usr/X11R6/lib64 -lXinerama -lXv -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lXrandr -lXvMCW -lXvMC -L/usr/local/lib64 -lpthread -lGLU -lGL -lQtSql -lQtXml -lQtOpenGL -lQtGui -lQtNetwork -lQtCore

[01:25:32]

gustave_:

g++: version.o: No such file or directory

[01:25:34]

gustave_:

g++: main.o: No such file or directory

[01:25:40]

wagnerrp:

aaaaaggggghhhhhhhhhh

[01:25:57]

iamlindoro:

pastebin

[01:26:10]

wagnerrp:

did you 'make clean' already?

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gustave_:

yes

[01:26:42]

wagnerrp:

on the whole thing, or just that directory?

[01:27:06]

gustave_:

in mythtv itself

[01:27:25]

wagnerrp:

so the whole thing.... rerun configure with that extra line, and retry

[01:27:32]

janneg:

iamlindoro: yes, but it's not yet used in the mplayer patch

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iamlindoro:

janneg, figured as much

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wagnerrp:

so has anyone tried it yet?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Those %ages I posted before were from personal use

[01:32:03]

iamlindoro:

66% -> 2%

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iamlindoro:

35 Mbit h.264 1080p

[01:32:27]

wagnerrp:

ah... way WAY up there

[01:32:37]

wagnerrp:

very well... 8400 subsequently purchased

[01:33:09]

iamlindoro:

That was on a Q9650/8 GB/9800 GT

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iamlindoro:

so obviously the percentages will shift and scale somewhat, but still, dayummmmmmm

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wagnerrp:

well on my athlon 3200, it may be like 10%

[01:34:56]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: is that a barton?

[01:34:56]

janneg:

iamlindoro: according to wikipedia my 9400 GT has a more capable PureVideo unit

[01:35:01]

iamlindoro:

I'll have to see how it does with CBR max bitrate HD-PVR, but as they likely aren't limited by slices, odds are it'l just laugh at it

[01:35:16]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: no, 2GHz A64

[01:35:20]

janneg:

it makes only a difference for VC1 though

[01:35:22]

dustybin:

ok

[01:35:35]

iamlindoro:

janneg, cool-- how will it differ on the VC1?

[01:35:42]

janneg:

wagnerrp: it's 10% if the athlon64 runs at 1ghz

[01:36:16]

iamlindoro:

janneg, Looks like it just allows more offload (ie I should still get some)

[01:36:19]

janneg:

it add's vc1 bitstream decoding

[01:36:41]

iamlindoro:

well cool

[01:36:53]

iamlindoro:

I can live with only most of it being offloaded :)

[01:37:02]

iamlindoro:

especially given the limited number of VC1 disks I've got

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janneg:

iamlindoro: partial offloading is not supported by vdpau

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Ah. Well all the same, I can play the stuff fine right now and the future is in h.264 anyway

[01:38:18]

janneg:

that's the reason why VC1 is only supported on a limited set of chips

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clever:

janneg: could you crop the mpeg stream in software with minimal cpu usage?

[01:38:29]

clever:

janneg: if you cut it at the edge between 2 mpeg blocks?

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wagnerrp:

so linux gets free hardware decoding on nvidia chips, but windows users have to pay for a proprietary video codec?

[01:40:56]

wagnerrp:

that makes sense

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention ours seeming to have no trace of HDCP :)

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wagnerrp:

Alone in the Dark is a $50 game

[01:47:26]

wagnerrp:

im getting it for free with a $30 card

[01:47:32]

wagnerrp:

that doesnt speak well for the game

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sphery:

free game and a $30 card?

[01:48:29]

iamlindoro:

$30 game plus free hardware to run it

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sphery:

or using a $30 card to get it at no additional cost

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wagnerrp:

the game is a 'gift' for buying a card

[01:49:05]

iamlindoro:

I don't think I got a game with my card

[01:49:16]

iamlindoro:

But it's got a gig of RAM, so yay that I guess

[01:49:17]

directhex:

actually, many great games have come with GPUs

[01:49:18]

wagnerrp:

farcry 2 now comes with your card

[01:49:28]

wagnerrp:

or at least *a* 9800gt

[01:49:32]

directhex:

for a while, you got free half-life 2 with any ATI card

[01:49:40]

directhex:

and i got civilization 4 free with one GPU

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iamlindoro:

directhex, swooping in from the shadows

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directhex:

like a bat!

[01:50:10]

wagnerrp:

i got one of the tomb raiders with my last video card

[01:50:25]

iamlindoro:

finished Mirror's edge. too short, story a little disappointing. Game very fun.

[01:50:26]

directhex:

biting people & infecting them with the deadly irreversible disease Patent

[01:50:35]

directhex:

iamlindoro, indeed very short. bought & finished today

[01:50:51]

iamlindoro:

and the occasional "did she SERIOUSLY not grab that??"

[01:51:03]

directhex:

mostly in the context of machine guns IME

[01:51:31]

iamlindoro:

No idea how they expect anyone to disarm in the insane difficulty without using slow motion. It is impossible, quite literally.

[01:51:54]

iamlindoro:

directhex, I mostly meant in terms of ledges/pipes/etc.

[01:52:25]

iamlindoro:

like "you are 100 floors up and I am pushing the stick towards that pipe and pressing jump. you probably ought to go grabe that and OH MY GOD AR YOU SERIOUS?"

[01:52:41]

iamlindoro:

s/grabe/grab/, s/AR/ARE/

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iamlindoro:

I sense a Zero Punctuation pending

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directhex:

i wonder how much faceplat-related material will be re-used

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wagnerrp:

i need to watch the last couple ZPs, havent done so the last couple weeks

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iamlindoro:

I also enjoyed the sniper ability to aim at you through four buildings, an air conditioner, a billboard, and a flock of pigeons

[01:55:35]

iamlindoro:

so once you are exposed they simply squeeze and YOUDEAD

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directhex:

i was okay with snipers

[01:56:08]

directhex:

managed to get the "test of faith" achievement for not shooting anyone ^_^

[01:56:15]

iamlindoro:

me too!

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iamlindoro:

Although the very last guy with the 50 cal tried my patience

[01:56:34]

iamlindoro:

in the server room

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directhex:

the server room was relatively easy. i had trouble in an earlier parking lot

[01:56:58]

directhex:

with a sign on the wall marked "floor 1b"

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iamlindoro:

Oh great. Three ways to approach him, all exposed, with no walls to wallrun on, and a half second of firing kills you Superb.

[01:57:23]

iamlindoro:

oh, in the boat?

[01:57:32]

iamlindoro:

The first part of the boat was a pain.

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directhex:

nah, on the last level. two 50cal, 3 m4, 2 pistol cops

[01:57:52]

iamlindoro:

oh. I think I was okay with that part.

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directhex:

2 of the machine gun guys simply won'yt split up

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iamlindoro:

So I got Serenity, Batman Begins, Galactica Season 1, a few documentaries, Anchorman, Top Gun, and Transformers on HD-DVD for $40-something

[02:07:00]

iamlindoro:

I don't get why nobody is buying them and dumping them into MythVideo but me, but hey :)

[02:07:18]

iamlindoro:

especially with the ability to bend them to our will w/ Nvidia's help now

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

Likely see a lot more people doing that soon

[02:10:41]

GreyFoxx:

You got ALL of those for $40 ? Or $40 each ?\

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iamlindoro:

all for 49 or so plus tax

[02:10:56]

GreyFoxx:

crazy!

[02:10:58]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[02:11:08]

iamlindoro:

There was lots of selection but only a armful I cared to own

[02:11:21]

iamlindoro:

all between $5 and $8

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GreyFoxx:

amazon ?

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iamlindoro:

Fry's Electronics

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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iamlindoro:

but there were TONS of places still clearing them out online last I checked

[02:11:53]

iamlindoro:

and the drives were about $20

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iamlindoro:

or you could get one of the LG drives that does both and be done with it

[02:12:49]

iamlindoro:

Plus, AACS only so you can get them all ripped w/ linux only tools

[02:13:43]

iamlindoro:

There was a literal CASE of Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift, but... yeah. No thanks.

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GreyFoxx:

h

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GreyFoxx:

eh

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iamlindoro:

I truly don't understand the Windows "Mediasmart" and Windows Home Server stuff... the hardware is low end, not redundant, no RAID... so why in the world are they so expensive?

[02:43:17]

iamlindoro:

It's windows... designed to run headless, I guess?

[02:43:40]

wagnerrp:

it has... snapshotting!

[02:43:45]

wagnerrp:

i think...

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iamlindoro:

Looks like it *can* do RAID 1. Yay.

[02:45:52]

iamlindoro:

"Installations of Windows Home Server RTM (Release to manufacturing) suffer from a file corruption flaw whereby files saved directly to or edited on shares on a WHS device may become corrupted."

[02:45:54]

iamlindoro:

Nice.

[02:46:25]

wagnerrp:

yeah, that was a big stink about 6 months ago

[02:47:03]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, see it discussed a lot on geektonic and such-- I guess because Sage can run on it. Just doesn't make sense to me

[02:49:53]

iamlindoro:

heh

[02:49:54]

iamlindoro:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1

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iamlindoro:

didn't take them long

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iamlindoro:

benchmarks

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://search.inetvideo.com/search?w=hd+dvd&view=grid

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iamlindoro:

tough to go wrong

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wagnerrp:

oh if newegg only delivered on weekends

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, heheh, It's fun up until the point where you really want to pick at it, then you think about the hung GPU warning in the README and decide software decoding is okay for now ;)

[03:01:54]

wagnerrp:

that just means i have to move the tuner cards over to another box

[03:02:07]

iamlindoro:

or play with the new GPU in the other one

[03:02:13]

iamlindoro:

something frontend only

[03:02:34]

wagnerrp:

sadly i dont have any spare machines with pcie slots

[03:02:48]

iamlindoro:

ah, yeah

[03:03:18]

wagnerrp:

well i have three boxes, one is linux, the other is freebsd x64

[03:03:30]

wagnerrp:

so neither work with the new drivers

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iamlindoro:

I was interested to see that they released solaris drivers at the same time

[03:04:07]

wagnerrp:

still no 64-bit freebsd....

[03:04:13]

iamlindoro:

I know ;)

[03:05:10]

wagnerrp:

just a GPU hang? not a complete panic?

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iamlindoro:

I was thinking about it and so many of us are the decision makers in our companies/families/etc.. This will translate to HUGE goodwill for nvidia, I think, and the goodwill will translate to sales. Even if ATI comes out with a full API tomorrow they are relegated to the also-ran

[03:06:31]

wagnerrp:

im thinking i have an SLI board

[03:06:53]

wagnerrp:

i install both, if one dies, i restart the X server, flip the cable, and im good without a reboot

[03:08:47]

iamlindoro:

They mention system hangs as well

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iamlindoro:

Known Limitations:

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iamlindoro:

1. Playing some video streams may cause GPU errors and/or hang or crash the system.

[03:10:00]

iamlindoro:

2. The skip forward/backward features are not robust yet and can cause application or system hangs/crashes.

[03:10:03]

iamlindoro:

et cetera

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wagnerrp:

well... i trust in nvidia to get it stable in a not distant future

[03:10:31]

iamlindoro:

I trust that the community will be bugging the hell out of them until they do ;)

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU also includes the somewhat comic MPEG-1 accel

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sphery:

Isn't MPEG-1 limited to 352x240?

[03:17:11]

wagnerrp:

no

[03:17:19]

wagnerrp:

its good for 4Kx4K and 100mbit

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Have you done any performance testing with HD-PVR recordings? I saw you mentioned BLUray nothing else.

[03:17:31]

clever:

the next big question, can you use the GPU for decoding without displaying

[03:17:41]

clever:

decoding right itno ram for reencoding(transcoding)

[03:17:41]

wagnerrp:

'SIF' is 352x240

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sphery:

I see.

[03:19:12]

sphery:

Guess hardware acceleration of 4095x4095 video at 100Mbps makes more sense than 352x240 (or 352x288) @1.5Mbps.

[03:19:39]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, not just yet, but I can play right now, but leaving for a movie in a few

[03:19:43]

sphery:

still, though, as iamlindoro implied, it's simple enough I wonder how much it would help

[03:20:08]

sphery:

clever: you can get access to the frames, so probably yes.

[03:20:32]

clever:

sphery: so you could use the gpu for hardware assisted transcoding

[03:20:42]

clever:

would cut the cpu usage in half atleast

[03:21:15]

wagnerrp:

depends on what youre encoding and where

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sphery:

I don't know about the NVIDIA ones, but the 8.12 Cat drivers for windows are meant to allow that and provide the API for GPGPU to allow the encoding side of transcoding in the GPU, too

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wagnerrp:

h.264 is FAR more intensive to encode than mpeg2 is to decode

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clever:

im just thinking, have the GPU decoding the video to ram

[03:21:48]

clever:

then the CPU would encode

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sphery:

will be interesting to see how usable that stuff will be in *nix

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sphery:

Yeah, nothing like getting an SLI rig just so one GPU can be used for transcoding/commflagging... :)]

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clever:

yeah you could also have the GPU decode for flagging

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clever:

1000 fps flagging!!!

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iamlindoro:

okay, running a quick test on max bitrate HD-PVR then I'm out

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iamlindoro:

2%

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iamlindoro:

running between 1–3%

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iamlindoro:

mostly right around 1%

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clever:

its like measing the CPU usage of a pvr150 card

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clever:

its nothing but copying and commands

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iamlindoro:

so yeah, it bitch slaps that pretty hard

[03:25:13]

clever:

what about a 400mhz cpu ?:P

[03:25:29]

RDV_Linux:

Things keep on getting better:)

[03:25:34]

wagnerrp:

if you can find a 400Mhz box with a 8xxx series chip, more power to you

[03:25:57]

clever:

wagnerrp: the 8xxx is pci or agp mainly?

[03:26:07]

wagnerrp:

pcie... only

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clever:

ahhh, no pcie systems at all

[03:26:27]

clever:

but one laptop has mini-pcie

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iamlindoro:

not gonna cut it :)

[03:26:41]

wagnerrp:

it certainly will

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

[03:26:46]

wagnerrp:

there are external pcie boxes

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clever:

wagnerrp: yep ive seen them

[03:27:10]

clever:

and somebody told me here an hour ago that that GPU is related and may work

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wagnerrp:

i think i did

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sphery:

lol... clever missed a whole bus generation ;)

[03:27:44]

iamlindoro:

Sounds like the kind of "solution" clever would employ

[03:28:08]

clever:

sphery: i have a box of ati pcie vid cards downstairs

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iamlindoro:

Instead of buying a $70 motherboard that INCLUDES a working GPU for this, let's use an external PCIe box

[03:28:14]

sphery:

(or, since he was talking PCI, perhaps 2--VESA Local and AGP :)

[03:28:28]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: which probably costs over $70

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clever:

sphery: several of my systems have agp

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sphery:

yeah, but my story is more fun

[03:29:04]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, There are CHEAP mobos w/ IGP 8200 and 8300

[03:29:10]

iamlindoro:

$70 and *less* most likely

[03:29:17]

clever:

http://www.magma.com/

[03:29:19]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im saying the external PCIe box costs more

[03:29:28]

sphery:

iamlindoro: your friend is at the other door (if you know what I mean)

[03:29:39]

clever:

http://www.magma.com/products/pciexpress/expressbox1/index.html

[03:29:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I don't :)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, when it's not your money, why not waste it on crap?

[03:30:14]

sphery:

iamlindoro: "now that's just weird"

[03:30:26]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, very very very good point

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clever:

700$ !!!!!

[03:30:36]

iamlindoro:

sphery, ohhhh

[03:30:41]

iamlindoro:

yeah, I saw him ask

[03:30:58]

sphery:

yeah, didn't feel like answering, myself

[03:30:59]

iamlindoro:

I figure if I answer he'd just come back in another disguise

[03:31:25]

kormoc:

Who are we talking bout?

[03:31:44]

iamlindoro:

#mythtv users right now, the guy who came in w/ another name the other day

[03:31:51]

iamlindoro:

er, s/users//

[03:32:04]

kormoc:

ahh

[03:32:07]

iamlindoro:

five minutes later, and asked the same question

[03:33:08]

sphery:

yeah--/after/ iamlindoro gave him a good answer and then referred him to -users, he came back with a new nick and asked the same question

[03:33:25]

kormoc:

He's a winner!

[03:33:33]

sphery:

worst part was that he actually got a good (and helpful) answer from iamlindoro the first time

[03:33:33]

iamlindoro:

This day has been too good to let that get me down-- and I still get to see James Bond, so that ain't bad :)

[03:33:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery, let's call that the "shocking" part ;)

[03:34:06]

kormoc:

there's sadly a fairly large amount of work to complete this ipod interface sadly

[03:34:32]

kormoc:

so I haven't really been paying too much attention

[03:34:36]

sphery:

Well, /I'm/ not shocked you answered him correctly or helpfully, but that he asked again after getting a good answer

[03:34:54]

sphery:

He still doesn't get the #mythtv-users concept, though

[03:34:56]

iamlindoro:

anyway, movie time

[03:35:11]

sphery:

kormoc: really? double sadly? ;)

[03:35:21]

kormoc:

heh

[03:35:31]

kormoc:

I'm also hopped up on cold meds, so that's not helping I'm sure

[03:35:41]

sphery:

In here I can say, "Looks great, BTW."

[03:35:49]

wagnerrp:

next friday at 9, bill nye... iiiiinnnnnn..... ssssppppaaaacccceeeee

[03:35:53]

sphery:

so, keep up the effort--many will be /very/ happy

[03:36:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: ???

[03:36:27]

wagnerrp:

hes on the preview for next week's stargate atlantis

[03:36:35]

sphery:

Oh.

[03:36:37]

sphery:

cool.

[03:37:03]

** sphery is still waiting for the next season's DVD release **

[03:37:27]

kormoc:

I'm sad they canceled it

[03:37:36]

sphery:

wasn't he on one of the Stargate shows already? (perhaps SG-1?)

[03:37:58]

sphery:

kormoc: agreed... No SG1, no Atlantis, no BSG... What's a geek to watch?

[03:38:17]

clever:

sphery: SG1 is airing right now :P

[03:38:19]

sphery:

(and don't say, "Stargate Infinity")

[03:38:25]

sphery:

SG1 is ended

[03:38:31]

clever:

yes its a repeat :P

[03:38:38]

clever:

but i dont have this season on dvd

[03:39:01]

sphery:

I've seen (and purchased) 1 Stargate movie, 10 seasons of SG-1, and have 2 SG1 movies in hold because I can't admit it's over.

[03:39:05]

wagnerrp:

he was on a couple episodes of Numb3rs, but this is his first time on a stargate series

[03:39:32]

wagnerrp:

although apparently he was in Back to the Future TAS

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clever:

i have the 1st movie, ~7–8 of the seasons, and the atlantis 'movie' (epi 1/2)

[03:40:09]

wagnerrp:

made for TV pilot doesnt count as a movie

[03:40:18]

clever:

and a little more from unmentionable sources

[03:40:35]

sphery:

Oooh... That's bad. It was Bill Nye's being on Numb3rs that made me think he was on a Stargate show (don't know how I got that mixed up).

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sphery:

I have every Stargate* DVD released to date with the exception of Stargate Infinity stuff

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netpro25_:

Whats the best supported NSTC and ATSC combined tuner?

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sphery:

netpro25_: IMHO, your best bet is separate NTSC and ATSC capture cards.

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netpro25_:

heh

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netpro25_:

sphery: that was quick

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netpro25_:

sphery: you were waiting for me eh?

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wagnerrp:

you WANT an ivtv tuner for analog

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sphery:

PVR-x50 (or possibly one of the new Hauppauge, but I'm not sure which--maybe the HVR-1600?) for NTSC and pretty much any Linux-supported ATSC capture card

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netpro25_:

ivtv, let me google that

[03:46:45]

sphery:

netpro25_: I had a feeling you were going to ask :)

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wagnerrp:

the only IVTV+ATSC card is the 1600, which is a bit buggy still

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sphery:

wow... Didn't know the HVR-1600 was ivtv+atsc

[03:47:24]

netpro25_:

yea, is the canada pvr-350 USA compatible?

[03:47:33]

sphery:

yeah, canada is NTSC, too

[03:47:36]

wagnerrp:

canadia is an NTSC card

[03:47:37]

wagnerrp:

so yes

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pradhapnirmalnat:

hi

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pradhapnirmalnat:

can I link mythtv against qt embedded?

[03:48:18]

sphery:

they get stuck with whatever we use in the US because of the long border and the citizens along that border who want to watch the US channels whose signals cross the border

[03:48:23]

wagnerrp:

pradhapnirmalnat: for what purpose?

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netpro25_:

i have the hvr-1250 and its a pain to scan for digital on cable, plus cable company constantly switches the digital channels

[03:48:48]

wagnerrp:

netpro25_: i have one, and it hasnt caused me any issues

[03:48:51]

pradhapnirmalnat:

wagnerrp: I am going to use MythTV frontend for a custom device

[03:49:08]

netpro25_:

wagnerrp: are you on cable?

[03:49:10]

pradhapnirmalnat:

and I am trying to replace the QT's embedded layer

[03:49:14]

sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: There has been work on compiling Myth for different architectures, including ARM-based using Qtopia/QtExtended, but it's all external to the project (i.e. in a very unusable state at the moment)

[03:49:22]

sphery:

Currently, Myth requires Qt

[03:49:31]

wagnerrp:

yes, and my local NBC does like to flip program IDs

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netpro25_:

yea, it would be almost better to just get OTA

[03:50:09]

netpro25_:

with the 1250 for me

[03:50:20]

sphery:

OTA ftw!

[03:50:20]

wagnerrp:

well they only shift channels every couple months

[03:50:30]

wagnerrp:

and any digital card would have the same issue

[03:50:36]

pradhapnirmalnat:

sphery: well what I am trying to do is use QT Embedded instead of QTX11

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wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with the 1250

[03:50:38]

sphery:

My $0.00/mo bill for OTA is great.

[03:51:01]

pradhapnirmalnat:

it should be abstracted for a QT Application right?

[03:51:13]

sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: the only non-X solution that's currently "supported" (though, TTBOMK, nonfunctional) is DirectFB

[03:52:02]

netpro25_:

The pvr-350 has remote compatibility right?

[03:52:06]

sphery:

you'll have to be on the cutting edge of porting to Qt embedded if you really think it's worth your time--i.e. find the external group(s) working on it and help them, then all of you can submit patches

[03:52:29]

wagnerrp:

do you have a 350? or are you looking to purchase one?

[03:52:32]

sphery:

netpro25_: some have the ability to receive remote signals. TTBOMK, none come with a blaster

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netpro25_:

wagnerrp: looking to get one

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sphery:

and, as wagnerrp is about to say, the 350 is a waste

[03:52:49]

wagnerrp:

yeah, get a 150 or a 500

[03:52:57]

sphery:

(I own a PaperweightVR-350

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netpro25_:

sphery: why is that

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wagnerrp:

they are more recent, ive heard with better quality tuners

[03:53:16]

sphery:

the decoder is useless with today's computers

[03:53:24]

sphery:

and limits the capabilities of Myth

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pradhapnirmalnat:

sphery: so you mean to say that I have to write my QT based application in a different way for embedded and xbased systems?

[03:53:47]

pradhapnirmalnat:

isn't that something abstracted for me?

[03:54:01]

sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: I'm saying that you'll have to figure out how to make Myth work with Qt Embedded (and it will take work)

[03:54:19]

sphery:

there's a /lot/ of code in Myth

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pradhapnirmalnat:

sphery: oh ok, got it

[03:54:31]

sphery:

just try to compile it with Qt embedded and you'll know what I mean

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sphery:

it will almost definitely require changes to our build system and code

[03:55:19]

sphery:

especially if you're using a real embedded system (with busybox) instead of a real^H^H^H^Hcomplete distro

[03:55:42]

sphery:

there's a lot of stuff besides Qt in Myth's code

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pradhapnirmalnat:

hmm

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pradhapnirmalnat:

okie

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sphery:

It may be an interesting project, but I'm just trying to make sure you know it's not a quick one :)

[03:56:36]

pradhapnirmalnat:

oh yeah

[03:56:42]

pradhapnirmalnat:

here is my case

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pradhapnirmalnat:

I have a special display device

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pradhapnirmalnat:

and a input device

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sphery:

like I said, though, I've seen some reports of people working on it (one guy seems to be trying to make it work on an Openmoko Freerunner)

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pradhapnirmalnat:

ok

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sphery:

that is conjecture based solely upon: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5670 and comments I've seen in passing on openmoko lists

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netpro25_:

Whats the best remote for both XBMC and Myth?

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pradhapnirmalnat:

well in my case its not really a embedded device, its a remote device and all I have to do is instead of rendering the display on my local device I have to send the graphics to remote device over network and receive the inputs also from the remote device

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wagnerrp:

netpro25_: anything you can use with lirc

[03:59:18]

sphery:

netpro25_: I'm still trying to find the best remote for Myth, but they don't make it, yet

[03:59:26]

sphery:

(i.e. no one makes what I want)

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netpro25_:

lol

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wagnerrp:

the hauppauge cards come with a remote, either the hauppauge grey, or a MCE usb remote

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pradhapnirmalnat:

so my Myth frontend will still run locally on a linux box and I am just trying to replace the underlying graphics layer

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sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: you do realize how bandwidth intensive decoded video is, right?

[04:00:20]

pradhapnirmalnat:

yup

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wagnerrp:

if you really want the 'perfect' mythtv remote

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netpro25_:

wagnerrp: yea, i was gonna get the mce usb because of the blaster

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wagnerrp:

it would probably be some homebrew programmable receiver, paired with a harmony

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wagnerrp:

netpro25_: the standard hauppauge receiver/remote has a transmitter as well

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pradhapnirmalnat:

sphery: when I say remote its a device on LAN and it knows how to decode MPEG2 and H264

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wagnerrp:

only one though, the MCE ones can have up to two

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netpro25_:

wagnerrp: but the 150 does not have a remote, which one are you referring to?

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sphery:

IMHO, the perfect remote is an RF remote that has tons of buttons that are just sent to the computer and my computer does whatever it wants in response (like an ATI remote wonder, but with more buttons, better feel, and better sensitivity/reception/range)

[04:02:04]

wagnerrp:

my 150, that came with a remote, receiver, and transmitter

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netpro25_:

wagnerrp: hmmm

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sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: OK, sending MPEG-2 or H.264 will work.

[04:02:37]

netpro25_:

wagnerrp: ah i see there is a kit

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sphery:

Though I'd say since that's the hard part (decoding), I don't see why you need Qt Embedded/cut-down distro on the remote system (unless it's what you're already given by a vendor)

[04:03:04]

wagnerrp:

sphery: thats presuming all your other hardware has serial inputs, and you dont have to diddle with irblasters

[04:03:59]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I plan to use an IR blaster for everything save the TV (which has serial input)

[04:04:18]

pradhapnirmalnat:

well if I use QtX11 I have to replace Xlib with my device specific libraries

[04:04:21]

pradhapnirmalnat:

which is harder

[04:04:23]

sphery:

I'm too cheap to replace everything else--and besides, serial ports are hard to come by these days :)

[04:04:42]

pradhapnirmalnat:

that writing a driver for QTEmbedded

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wagnerrp:

STBs can be controlled through mythtv/irblasters if theres no other choice, but i would prefer everything else to be managed by my harmony (or serial)

[04:04:57]

sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: Oh, I see. Sounds like you'll be blazing a trail whichever way you go. :)

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pradhapnirmalnat:

yeah if I use QtEmbedded I have to rewrite Myth

[04:05:47]

sphery:

wagnerrp: also, I don't have STB's, so that's not a problem for me. I'm just using the IR blaster for controlling my A/V receiver.

[04:06:03]

pradhapnirmalnat:

if I have to use X11, I have to do a lot of work on replacing Xlib

[04:06:47]

pradhapnirmalnat:

I wonder why there should be a difference for an application when I compile QTapp against QtX11 and QtEmbedded

[04:06:58]

sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: yep. :) I can't say which is the better approach, but I can say that DirectFB has never gotten any real support because of the lack of good video drivers for it.

[04:07:58]

sphery:

I have a feeling the same would be true if you add QtEmbedded support--unless, of course, enough devs got so enamoured with Myth on their Freerunners or whatever devices that they decided to support it.

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sphery:

pradhapnirmalnat: do you happen to know how Qt Embedded relates to QtExtended? I.e. is QtExtended build on QtEmbedded?

[04:10:18]

pradhapnirmalnat:

sphery: I am relatively new to Qt and I am not aware of these differences, my understanding is these are all abstractions for Qt API

[04:10:35]

pradhapnirmalnat:

for different hardware and platforms

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sphery:

Well, I know that QtExtended is a platform for embedded Linux-based devices (i.e. is what used to be called Qtopia).

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sphery:

I'm just assuming that Qt/Embedded support would be required for QtExtended usage, but if not, then Qt/Embedded may not get any lovin' even if someone gets Myth running on Openmoko phones.

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Tanthrix:

Anyone try the new Purevideo VDPAU deal yet?

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wagnerrp:

a few

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pradhapnirmalnat:

I am assuming that both are same

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Tanthrix:

What's the word about how well it works?

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wagnerrp:

theres a benchmark on phoronix.com

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pradhapnirmalnat:

sphery: both Qt embedded and Qt extended are same

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wagnerrp:

it works great... except that its beta quality

[04:19:53]

pradhapnirmalnat:

shery: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qt-embedded.html

[04:20:12]

wagnerrp:

they claim gpu stalls, and system panics can occur

[04:20:30]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Wow, looks pretty damned good. Good enough that I think I'll be able to do 1080p x264 on my Core 2 Duo E4400 now.

[04:20:31]

wagnerrp:

but it is yet to be seen how often that may occue

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netpro25_:

Tanthrix: nvidia purevideo?

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sphery:

Tanthrix: several people have posted to the list (and to here--check the archives of each) with numbers

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wagnerrp:

Tanthrix: what does '1080p x264' mean

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wagnerrp:

you can get it down to 100kbps such that it will even play on my 8yr old laptop

[04:21:29]

wagnerrp:

but it will look like complete ass

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: Uh, video encoded in x264 at 1920x1080p resolution? (IE, what many bluray discs are encoded as)

[04:22:00]

Tanthrix:

Well, that'd be h.264 actually. x.264 being the free variant.

[04:22:16]

Tanthrix:

sphery: Thanks – I'll have a look.

[04:22:26]

wagnerrp:

well now youre getting somewhere, bluray are typically 20–35mbps

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sphery:

actually, x264 is the encoder

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sphery:

in theory, H.264 is the output

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wagnerrp:

its A encoder rather

[04:23:03]

wagnerrp:

one of many

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sphery:

right, but in the x264 world, it's just the encoder part

[04:23:40]

wagnerrp:

anyway, im just making the point that a resolution is ambiguous

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wagnerrp:

it has no bearing on how fast it will actually decode

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Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: If you take a strict, literal holier-than-thou geek intepretation point of view, that is. But in most cases, 1080p content is going to be harder to decode than 720p content. Enough that I did not feel the need to elaborate in my original statement.

[04:25:28]

wagnerrp:

oh but you do!

[04:25:35]

Tanthrix:

In any case, I'm really quite surprised that nvidia decided to finally release this. Methinks ATI getting off their ass is creating some indirect good!

[04:25:43]

wagnerrp:

take downloaded 1080p content, and its usually around 10mbps

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wagnerrp:

thats very easily decoded on an E4400

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Tanthrix:

Not mine.

[04:26:08]

Tanthrix:

At least, in single threaded mode.

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sphery:

Tanthrix: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/2008-11-14 see around 21:30

[04:26:20]

wagnerrp:

well yes, you have to allow multithreaded

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wagnerrp:

that bitrate, with some of the more intensive options, your probably just over one core

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Tanthrix:

Which is (was) buggy, and only works on some files – or is that last part incorrect?

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wagnerrp:

my desktop (E4500) will do that bitrate at just barely under one core

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Tanthrix:

sphery: Much appreciated.

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sphery:

Tanthrix: according to an inside source who works at NVIDIA, it was in the works for a /very/ long time

[04:27:23]

wagnerrp:

mythlogbot is back? thats fantastic

[04:27:33]

SlicerDicer:

sphery: x264 decoding?

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sphery:

Tanthrix: there's much more than just that, but that was the part I remember (i.e. when I was actually reading -users). I think janne also posted more.

[04:27:45]

SlicerDicer:

linux style?

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wagnerrp:

SlicerDicer: yes

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sphery:

H.264 decoding Linux style

[04:28:14]

SlicerDicer:

is it axed now?

[04:28:20]

sphery:

or MPEG-2 or MPEG-1 or VC-1

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wagnerrp:

nvidia released beta decoding drivers for 8 series cards and better

[04:28:39]

SlicerDicer:

errrm

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sphery:

announcement was posted to both mailing lists today

[04:28:42]

wagnerrp:

VC-1 is only supported on VP3 cards, meaning the 9400 and 9500

[04:28:44]

SlicerDicer:

link?

[04:28:51]

Tanthrix:

Damn!

[04:28:51]

SlicerDicer:

please :)

[04:28:56]

wagnerrp:

phoronix.com

[04:29:03]

sphery:

gossamer-threads

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sphery:

:)

[04:29:05]

Tanthrix:

I think the card in my myth box is a 9300.

[04:29:13]

wagnerrp:

the 9300 may work too

[04:29:24]

wagnerrp:

its lower end 9 series

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sphery:

look for Video Decode and Presentation API

[04:30:00]

Tanthrix:

Actually, I'm way off. It's a 7300LE.

[04:30:02]

sphery:

Though I think it's technically Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix, I'm pretty sure the announcement didn't say "for Unix"

[04:30:18]

sphery:

or search for VDPAU

[04:30:22]

wagnerrp:

the G96 chips support VP3, and full VC-1 decode

[04:30:44]

wagnerrp:

the VP2 chips should have just about everything they need for VC-1, but they lack the entropy decompressor

[04:30:51]

wagnerrp:

and at least with the current drivers, its all or nothing

[04:30:54]

wagnerrp:

there is no partial offload

[04:31:29]

Tanthrix:

wagnerrp: If I were to upgrade, what's the cheapeast card I could go with that has all the full purevideo features?

[04:31:51]

wagnerrp:

i just ordered a 8400 off newegg earlier tonight for $30

[04:32:00]

wagnerrp:

$40 actually, with $10 MIR

[04:32:04]

wagnerrp:

and shipping

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sphery:

VC-1 support in NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation currently requires GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, or GeForce 9300M GS

[04:33:29]

wagnerrp:

wikipedia claims that the entropy decoding as added in VP3, which is supported in the 9400 and 9500

[04:33:32]

sphery:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1 http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/vdpau . . . l/index.html

[04:33:41]

wagnerrp:

but i think im more likely to believe the nvidia press release... :)

[04:34:18]

Tanthrix:

Am I correct in assuming a 9600 GS would have full support then?

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wagnerrp:

for everything but VC-1, yes

[04:35:02]

sphery:

bigger doesn't yet support VC-1

[04:35:15]

wagnerrp:

not even the GTX cards support VC-1

[04:35:18]

sphery:

only the newest cores support VC-1 (though others may)

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sphery:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1 for quick benchmarks

[04:35:37]

Tanthrix:

Hrm. Well, I suppose I'll just wait a while to see how things turn out.

[04:35:43]

wagnerrp:

although nvidia did the same thing in the 8 series

[04:35:56]

wagnerrp:

the lower end chips were the first to get the VP2 hardware

[04:36:17]

wagnerrp:

the 8800 Ultra and GTS (old version) do not have full hardware offload

[04:36:57]

sphery:

no probs, the gamerz who buy those have to buy the latest $600 GPU every 6 months, anyway

[04:37:20]

wagnerrp:

and they have the CPU to decode in software anyway

[04:39:00]

sphery:

true

[04:39:06]

sphery:

I still like software decode

[04:39:41]

sphery:

I don't like that we now have XvMC, extended XvMC (in the works), VA-API (in the works), XvBA (not officially announced), and VDPAU.

[04:40:08]

wagnerrp:

dont forget UVD2

[04:40:19]

sphery:

at least XvBA and VDPAU look very similar (probably both are based off their respective vendors DirectX implementations)

[04:40:58]

sphery:

UVD2 is the decoder used in ATI's cards that will use the XvBA API

[04:41:41]

bamama:

well well. ATI gets scooped AGAIN

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wagnerrp:

ah

[04:42:10]

wagnerrp:

scooped again?

[04:42:39]

wagnerrp:

when is the last time nvidia trumped one of ati's announcements?

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bamama:

who gives a shit about announcements?

[04:43:21]

bamama:

I give cred to shit WORKING

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bamama:

not vaporware

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wagnerrp:

so you saying they got scooped, refers to ATIs announcement of future linux hardware decoding, and then nvidia releasing semi-functional drivers

[04:44:24]

wagnerrp:

but you said 'AGAIN', what are you referring to

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bamama:

semi functional beats vaporware any day of week

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wagnerrp:

youre missing my point

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wagnerrp:

what other event are you referring to

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bamama:

ATI vaporware mpeg2 MC for linux

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wagnerrp:

that is the same event

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wagnerrp:

ATI announces hardware acceleration, nVidia actually delivers

[04:46:37]

wagnerrp:

what is the 'AGAIN'

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bamama:

which part of mpeg2 vs. npeg4 dont you understand?

[04:46:57]

bamama:

mpeg4*

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wagnerrp:

and they still dont have either

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bamama:

right. VAPORWARE

[04:48:12]

wagnerrp:

did ATI claim they were going to provide mpeg2 several years ago?

[04:48:35]

wagnerrp:

ive only heard of the recent claims

[04:49:39]

wagnerrp:

im not trying to stick up for ATI in anyway, i think nvidia has had better cards since the switch to PCIe

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bamama:

google ATI VHA for linux

[04:50:30]

bamama:

they announced that vaporware in 2000

[04:50:32]

bamama:

lol

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wagnerrp:

ok, that was before i even had a machine i could call my own

[04:50:58]

wagnerrp:

so i wasnt too big into hardware back that far

[04:51:05]

wagnerrp:

excuse my ignorance

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sphery:

xris: I was just testing it on my dev box, but it didn't work at all. Forgot that I put -fixes on my dev box today to fix a -fixes bug.

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mmanning_:

any plans to integrate mythtv and xbmc?

[05:43:48]

kormoc:

mmanning_, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Fro . . . ython_Script

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mmanning_:

kormoc: you using that?

[05:44:33]

kormoc:

no

[05:45:08]

kormoc:

but you should read the page (and more then just that section), as it answers most of your questions, including the native XMBC support

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mmanning_:

kormoc: i like xbmc if it had tuner support then it would be awsome, so i was wondering why not just join forces

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mmanning_:

did not know if that had been brought up before

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kormoc:

mmanning_, you don't read very well do you? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Fro . . . thTV_Support

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mmanning_:

kormoc: you dont listen very well do you?

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kormoc:

mmanning_, you asked about integration, there it is

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mmanning_:

its not the idea of running natively

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mmanning_:

the idea of combining the projects

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mmanning_:

into one

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kormoc:

different goals

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kormoc:

different ideals

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mmanning_:

okay

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kormoc:

XbMC is fairly limited

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clever:

who here is using mythvideo on trunk?

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** clever pokes kormoc **

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olejl:

clever, I'm using mythvideo on trunk

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clever:

olejl: make/rename one of your files to contain a `, then rescan

[06:01:39]

clever:

it should become unplayable within the mythvideo ui

[06:02:01]

clever:

(trying to confirm that others have my problem)

[06:02:06]

olejl:

clever, anywhere in the filename?

[06:02:28]

clever:

anywhere should do

[06:02:33]

olejl:

1 sec

[06:02:49]

clever:

some noob uses ` instead of ' in the words

[06:02:59]

clever:

didn`t and stuff

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olejl:

clever, I have renamed the file, but how do I rescan? Isn't enough to enter Video Manager?

[06:08:07]

clever:

that should be enough

[06:08:15]

clever:

now just try playing the file

[06:08:19]

olejl:

beacuse nothing happens

[06:08:26]

clever:

wont play at all?

[06:08:34]

olejl:

Playing it doesn't work

[06:08:41]

clever:

same problem here:)

[06:08:51]

olejl:

but according to the log it is because my file doesn't exist

[06:09:03]

clever:

2008-11–15 02:08:50.055 MythEvent: PLAYBACK_START theP4

[06:09:04]

clever:

2008-11–15 02:08:50.602 MythEvent: PLAYBACK_END theP4

[06:09:07]

olejl:

It is trying to play the filename before the rename

[06:09:20]

clever:

ah, maybe it didnt rescan right

[06:09:25]

olejl:

that is why I was thinking that the rescan didn't work

[06:09:48]

clever:

im using an external video player

[06:09:54]

olejl:

I don't see any rescan GUI when entering Video Manager

[06:09:57]

clever:

i dont think the internal one will have the same problem

[06:10:07]

olejl:

Yes I'm using the internal

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clever:

ahh, so even if you did rescan it wouldnt break

[06:10:40]

clever:

i thnik i found the problem in the code anyways

[06:10:45]

clever:

its using "" not ''

[06:10:52]

olejl:

I am not able to rescan, let me try to move the file and rescan

[06:10:59]

olejl:

ok

[06:11:20]

clever:

utils/setup -> video manager

[06:11:32]

clever:

thats usualy enough for it to rescan

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olejl:

Yes but nothing happens when I enter it

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clever:

things may have changed arround some

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clever:

yeah its not rescanning either

[06:12:57]

clever:

explains why it 'rescanned' so damn fast :P

[06:13:48]

olejl:

tried to move to a subfolder...

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clever:

i cant find the option to scan anywhere...

[06:14:23]

olejl:

still not rescanning

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olejl:

no not me either :)

[06:15:33]

clever:

im pretty shure its that the ` isnt paired with a 2nd ` and its causing sh to just abort before the command gets ran at all

[06:16:15]

olejl:

not within my knowledge :)

[06:21:45]

olejl:

but what I wonder now is why doesn't it rescan? I even tried to move the video to completly different location without it rescanning

[06:22:57]

clever:

i used chmod to hide 400 files from my gps unit, and they still show up in the video manager

[06:23:08]

clever:

they all start with numbers, so the sorting puts them above every video

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clever:

sh: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution

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clever:

yep just like i thought

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fuxxy:

I'm in the process of an "emerge -auDNv world", and had to re-install kernel 2.6.25, ivtv, lirc, etc. Now, after I reboot, the first time mythfrontend starts, it complains about the backend not being up. However, once I acknowledge the message, it sees the backend and loads & acts normally. I can only imagine the backend is taking forever to load, How can I find out why?

[06:41:10]

clever:

that was simple to patch:), i'll post it tomorow after some sleep

[06:41:42]

fuxxy:

The frontend complains about a bunch of files missing on startup also (in the log.) AFAIK, the files are still there, my raid array is up and mounted in the correct place.

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olejl:

cleaver, what do you think of the not rescanning problem?

[06:42:24]

clever:

olejl: no idea whats up with that, i cant find it on my end either

[06:42:31]

clever:

bbl sleep

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olejl:

I receive an error from the xmlparser

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olejl:

ok maybe I will post on the list

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MikeXYZ:

can i use mythtv without xmltv?

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wagnerrp:

MikeXYZ: sure, but mythtv loses a lot if it has no scheduling data

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wagnerrp:

loses a lot, meaning its next to worthless

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Captain_Murdoch:

mikexyz, depends on the context of the question, there are ways to get data into myth without xmltv

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wagnerrp:

if you live in the US, schedulesdirect is a very painless alternative

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Captain_Murdoch:

us and canada actually

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wagnerrp:

there is also the possibility of EIT if you use digital channels

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MikeXYZ:

well, i live in holland.. (coax), and we should have some xmltv options..

[08:27:47]

MikeXYZ:

but i triedit it like 5 times, in the past .. and its a PITA

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MikeXYZ:

it takes hours and hours to get in the data

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

good morning

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

I am having a problem with the wakeup function, I have ubuntu 8.10 so I need to use /sys/class/rtc etc and that works fine in manual mode ie I can do the test and manually set it and the computer wakesup but I cannot get mythtv to set it

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Redhammer_the_Ol:

any ideas what I might need to do, also how can I get mythtv to execute the "set wakeup time" and then check if the time is right

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Dibblah:

Anyone have any experience netbooting ubuntu?

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peck:

i've tried to understand all this about softcams etc and how dangerous it is to even talk about it... but seriously, i can't understand it...

[10:58:15]

peck:

how can it be considered even remotely "skeptical" to discuss, when so many people that use for example cardsharing do it locally at home?

[10:59:00]

peck:

to me it sounds like paranoia on the virge of insanity to be honest

[10:59:47]

peck:

"no, you can't ask about your completely legal solution that you have at home, since someone, somewhere, might get help for his ILLEGAL acts using that information."

[11:00:29]

peck:

it sounds like forbidding someone to talk about cooking, since someone could take human meat and then you've encouraged the act of cannibalism

[11:00:41]

peck:

or am i wrong?

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jblack:

I have no idea what you're even talking about

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peck:

softcams and cardsharing... emulating a decoder and using only one card from your cable/sat provider for several (sometimes emulated) decoders around the house

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peck:

of course it can be used to share with other people than your household, but that's not encouraged, and therefor it shouldn't be taken for granted..

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peck:

i actually don't know anyone who does that illegally

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jblack:

Yeah. I was just reaking it now on wikipedia

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clever:

if the requests for decoding can be forwarded arround the house, and the card can decode 2 streams at once

[11:14:23]

clever:

then nothing stops you from forwarding a single card to 50+ users over the web

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clever:

but i have no idea how the cards work so couldnt do it

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peck:

clever: you're absolutely right, but why take for granted that people want to commit illegal actions?

[11:19:25]

peck:

the idea is to just share inside the house, cause buying 5 decoders from your cableprovider as well as 5 cards is both expensive and unneccessary

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clever:

if you wrote the proxy program closed source, and to only use ethernet packet

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clever:

s

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clever:

then it would be a bitch to forward thru a gateway

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jblack:

I wish I could figure out some way past that qam encryption stuff. I want to pay for access to stuff, but only stuff that I can use with myth.

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migo`:

morning :)

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migo`:

i have a question about to run a "user job2 in mythtv.. can anyone please help ?

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migo`:

i doubt its something big,but i tried and it doesnt work

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migo`:

oppsss... a user job#1

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migo`:

anyone here ?

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migo`:

is nobody here ?

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migo`:

i will try another time..bye for now

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gbee:

any particular problems with Hitachi Travelstars that I should know about before I go an buy one?

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peck:

[12:33:13] <jblack> I wish I could figure out some way past that qam encryption stuff. I want to pay for access to stuff, but only stuff that I can use with myth.

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peck:

that's not a problem

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oneone:

hi

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oneone:

MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Error: error reading from: /dev/video eno: Input\Output Error (5)

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peck:

but i can only provide tips for solutions NOT involving cardsharing for anything except in your household

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oneone:

I have this when I change channel why?

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oneone:

someone know this problem?

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gbee:

PVR-150?

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oneone:

similar HVR1300

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oneone:

I can't change channel during Live Tv

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oneone:

gbee, do you know something about?

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gbee:

not really, I was going to ask whether it was the tuner or composite/svideo input

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gbee:

thinking that maybe it was a configuration problem, but honestly I'd be using a lot of guesswork

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oneone:

tnx same

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justinh:

well well well.. got to do some serious remedial work with my myth backend or it's gonna have to go

[14:04:46]

justinh:

pulling stupid amount of power from the mains :(

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jduggan:

how many amps does it draw?

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justinh:

1.2

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justinh:

think I'll have to rethink my whole DHCP server etc... then go sleepy backend

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jblack:

peck: I dont' see how that would work with myth, anyways.

[14:07:35]

jduggan:

quite a bit

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justinh:

and of course pack in daytime IRC & web browsing via home

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peck:

jblack: it does... i have working cardsharing from a dreambox in mythtv

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justinh:

peck: NAUGHTY

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peck:

locally

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jduggan:

probably what, Â£30/month in power?

[14:08:52]

justinh:

jduggan: something stupid, yes

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peck:

hah, no

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justinh:

peck: still naughty

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

its quite a bit

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peck:

and i use the mythtv-machine for videos etc to my dreambox as well

[14:09:21]

jblack:

I don't need to share a card.

[14:09:22]

jduggan:

myth certainly isnt a cheap option

[14:09:24]

justinh:

peck: talking about ILLEGAL activity in here is NAUGHTY

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peck:

and i still keep all my computers running 24/7 so that doesn't make a difference

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peck:

justinh: yes? who talked about illegal activities?

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jblack:

but maybe I could use this to get work with myth for legally purchased content.

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justinh:

card sharing == illegal uses

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peck:

i'm perfectly legal... paying for my subscription

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peck:

NO, it's not...

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peck:

it's illegal to share with people outside your household

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justinh:

the normal deal is you want a 2nd viewing cardm you PAY

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peck:

exactly

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peck:

but it's not illegal not to

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peck:

it's just hard

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jblack:

justinh: I did some reading up on it. As I understood europe's laws, it's a contract violation, not illegal.

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justinh:

hmmmm

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justinh:

well either way I'm done here

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jblack:

and that's a moot point for me anyways. I'd just get a second system/card anyways. Let 'em have $5 a month.

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peck:

jblack: asked my provider and they said that "sure, if you get it working, but you get no support from us"

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jblack:

huh?

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jblack:

oh.

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jblack:

I'm intersted in something slightly different than you. I want to have a cablecard I get from the cable company, plug it into this thing, plug it into myth, and get exactly what I pay for. Nothing more, nothing less.

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sid3windr:

so, 1.2A is a lot of power is it

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sid3windr:

:/

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sid3windr:

that's like 275W

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jblack:

At 115 volts, I come up with 138

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jduggan:

yea when you compare to a regular (d|p)vr, thats like what, 25–45W? its significantly more expensive

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jblack:

fair enough, but a regular d|pvr compared to myth sucks badly.

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dustybin:

the mail on saturday newspaper comes with a nice big TV guide, ideal for programming your mythtv boxes :)

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sid3windr:

jblack: oh, right, 110V heh :)

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sid3windr:

so, even less ;)

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jblack:

they seem to be popular.

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gbee:

more so with the sky rocketing energy prices

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jblack:

I use an old fashioned method, myself.

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gbee:

read the bill?

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jblack:

each month the company sends me a piece of paper with how much I used. If it's higher than I expect, I scream bloody murder at my kid for a week. :)

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jduggan:

heh

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jblack:

I might need to cut back on that a little... nowadays she walks down the hallway at night without turning on the hall lights.

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jduggan:

my last bill was 600quid

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jduggan:

for 6months

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jduggan:

quite high

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jduggan:

:|

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jblack:

a quid is a pound?

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jduggan:

yea

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jblack:

I average about $30/mo, which works out to about $180, which is about L290 these days.

[15:02:41]

directhex:

the reverse.

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gbee:

wondering what sort of real life saving I'd get from upgrading my dev backend to a lower TDP CPU, more energy efficient drives etc

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jblack:

you're right.

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jblack:

L112.

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jblack:

I shoulda caught that.

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jduggan:

gbee: i think real world, youd take about 2years to see any savings

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jduggan:

after you factor in your purchase costs

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gbee:

jduggan: probably, but since it needs upgrading anyway, maybe that's worth it all the same

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jblack:

Then again, I heat my home to an average of 50F in the winter (48 downstairs, and 52 upstairs)

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gbee:

already thinking about shutting down machines at night, which until now I've not done

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jduggan:

gbee: yep, if you can afford it, definitly worth the longterm investment

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gbee:

particularly the production fe/be

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jblack:

you guys could consider powernow and stuff first?

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gbee:

jblack: been using it for years

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jblack:

Take out unneded pci cards, suspend just the desktops.

[15:06:06]

jblack:

Do you leave your coffeemaker running?

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jblack:

Never mind. You guys don't use those, do you.

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gbee:

coffee maker?

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jduggan:

heh

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jblack:

Electric teapot. I bet that's similiar. One big resistive wire.

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gbee:

kettle ;)

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jduggan:

ive been terrible with electricity consumption until late

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jblack:

That thing you use to make the stuff that's a piss-poor-substitude for a real drink like "Filter coffee"

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jduggan:

its only recently i've been shutting down my workstations at night

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gbee:

I'm otherwise pretty careful about power, I've been turning out lights as I leave rooms for a while, monitors, speakers etc all get turned off when not being used, but I've resisted turning off the machines themselves – if I can log #mythtv whilst still turning off the machine then I can't see any other point in leaving it running overnight

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jblack:

I stick with laptops for "workstations", as they're pretty low wattage. I think I save enough in electricity to make up for the cost.

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jduggan:

i irc from a box i have colocated in a datacenter, so i leave IRC and any services running on there, but i dont have to pay for the colo

[15:09:45]

jduggan:

so not bothered about shutting down @ home

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gbee:

same here really, but I've still got a couple of desktop type machines as backends

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jblack:

4 story house, and I average about 23KWH a day.

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jblack:

And that includes a space heater for the office in the winter.

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dustybin:

jblack: ive recently just connected a dvi display + usb keyboard to my mac book pro, makes a ace silent low-powered desktop

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gbee:

the dev one doubles as my mail server and four times a day it receives backups of websites via sftp

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jblack:

I also keep meaning to replace my CRT TV with an LCD. THat would save a few watts.

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gbee:

so it could go off for a few hours overnight ... if I can be bothered setting up wakeup stuff

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jblack:

Here's a thought. Does your machine have a RTC wakeup option in the bios?

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gbee:

jblack: it might, assuming you don't do what everyone else does and go bigger at the same time

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wombo2:

But LCD tv's dont come any smaller than 40" hehehe

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jblack:

I was looking at a 32" LCD to replace a 28"... so I'll probably go from 200–300 watts down to about 30? 40?

[15:14:08]

iamlindoro:

uh... what?

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clever:

gbee: i generaly use svn to backup websites

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gustave_:

morning all. Any trunk configure experts in the house?

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gustave_:

iamlindoro: wow, you are always here

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gbee:

clever: ...

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iamlindoro:

gustave_, Except for the last 12 hours where I wasn't?

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gustave_:

perhaps

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jblack:

Anyways, about your server.. Does the bios have a daily wakeup option? If so, maybe you could cron a shutdown at midnight, and a wakeup at 6am. That would cut your server usage by 25%.

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clever:

gbee: it makes it trivial to sync the code between multiple mirrors and lets me track changes

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gustave_:

have 5 minutes to help me with a configure issue iamlindoro?

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iamlindoro:

gustave_, ./configure --prefix=/usr --enable-opengl-video --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-firewire --enable-dvb --enable-fftw3 --enable-libfaad

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iamlindoro:

There, that's mine.

[15:15:55]

iamlindoro:

at least, somewhere close to that

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iamlindoro:

gustave_, Just ask your question and I will help if I can

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gbee:

jblack: honestly can't remember, I'll check the manual when I get time, but possibly not since it's getting a little old now (Abit KV8 Pro – 754)

[15:16:41]

jblack:

Do you have a soft switch, or a hardware switch?

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gustave_:

iamlindogo: here is my configure: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-proc-opt --libdir-name=lib64 --enable-libfaad

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gustave_:

I get make errors when I add the libfaad

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jblack:

If the former, chances are good you have that option in there.

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gustave_:

I am 64 bit fedora 8

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iamlindoro:

sounds like you don't have libfaad and libfaad-dev installed, then, I would guess

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gustave_:

you would think that

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gbee:

gustave_: do you need libfaad?

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gustave_:

faad2–2.6.1–8.fc8

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gustave_:

faad2-devel-2.6.1–8.fc8

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gustave_:

faad2–2.6.1–8.fc8

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gustave_:

without libfaad, my HD-PVR audio on frontend is not working

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gbee:

just to ask the obvious question? Do the streams you are recording includ aac?

[15:18:45]

gbee:

k

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iamlindoro:

gustave_, Sounds like you need to talk to fedora packagers and figure out how they build it, then, "just works" here

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gustave_:

HD=PVR recordings

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iamlindoro:

gustave_, gbee has a point, though-- you should be using AC3 if available, is there a reason you're not?

[15:19:33]

gustave_:

no, what is the configure switch for that?

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iamlindoro:

it's not a configure switch-- you are following the dev and commits lists, right?

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gustave_:

not in great detail. I have to work sometimes

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iamlindoro:

Well, you shouldn't be using trunk if you're not following those lists closely

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gustave_:

jeesh, I am looking for a simple issue fix. Not a matter of that

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iamlindoro:

I would advice seeing what had been said about the HD-PVR in the past several months on those lists, then you should know what you should do

[15:21:33]

iamlindoro:

gustave_, Those lists *exist* to keep people who choose to run trunk informed-- why should we have to support people who shouldn't be running trunk running trunk?

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gbee:

looking at the manual, seems it does support RTC wakeup, guess I'll go google

[15:21:56]

iamlindoro:

just because you're too lazy/don't have enough time to follow the lists, we should do it for you and answer any questions you may have?

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gustave_:

you dont have to. Its an good will open source project.

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iamlindoro:

ok, I won't then

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** gbee tickles iamlindoro **

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** iamlindoro laughs like a little girl **

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gustave_:

you are too judgemental and elitist. This is just a chat

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gustave_:

realax

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iamlindoro:

That's me, elitist

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gustave_:

well thanks anyway

[15:23:26]

iamlindoro:

I'm perfectly relaxed, there's nothing more liberating than knowing I don't have to waste effort helping lazy people

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dustybin:

would linux software RAID perform well enough when recording HD on a backend, ie. RAID 6 and 4x 1TB drives ?

[15:23:55]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, easily

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dustybin:

ace

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gustave_:

ever wonder why you get in so many conflicts with people?

[15:24:12]

gustave_:

your attitude sucks

[15:24:18]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, HD recordings are a few meg a second, easily done by software raid

[15:24:32]

gustave_:

anyway. have a good day

[15:24:39]

iamlindoro:

gustave_, funny, I seem to get along well with people who get up off their asses

[15:24:47]

dustybin:

id rather use the kernel for RAID rather than some dodgy firmware on a card

[15:25:07]

gbee:

gustave_: I don't use a HD-PVR but iamlindoro seems to be suggesting that you can capture audio as ac3, as such you shouldn't need libfaad for aac audio

[15:25:17]

gustave_:

yes, following the list qualifies for a "get off your asses" medal in life. Grow up

[15:25:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee, That's the long and the short of it

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gustave_:

iamlindoro: I am done with you.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, although libfaad *does* work

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gbee:

if you don't need libfaad and trying to compile with it causes problems, then don't use libfaad and change the HD-PVR configuration

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gustave_:

will try that. Thanks for the effort

[15:26:19]

gbee:

iamlindoro: sure, it can and does work, but if it's not needed then why go against the tide

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Yup-- PEBKAC all the same

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** dustybin searches for a internal esata card with lots of ports **

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gbee:

and it shouldn't be needed for much longer, trunk has native aac decoding support, just not HE-AAC or LATM

[15:27:12]

iamlindoro:

Yay, I'm the jerk for suggesting for someone do that one thing thye are required to do when running trunk

[15:29:02]

iamlindoro:

Oh, so the new Bond was really fun

[15:29:24]

iamlindoro:

You know, for anyone entertained by simple things like hot chicks and action

[15:29:35]

directhex:

action with hot chicks?

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directhex:

awesome

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: maybe i could use this inconjunction with 4x 1TB drivers and use linux soft raid: http://www.promise.com/product/product_detail . . . duct_id=139#

[15:30:04]

iamlindoro:

That too

[15:30:12]

directhex:

promise: avoid

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dustybin:

directhex: why?

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directhex:

promise tend to use their own chips with 0 linux drivers

[15:30:33]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, you can use a serial ata controlled with software RAID, but I agree with directhex, I don't like promise

[15:30:43]

iamlindoro:

s/contolled/controller/

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dustybin:

right ok

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jduggan:

OT for myth, but can anyone suggest a linux unpnp server that plays well with xb360?

[15:30:57]

jduggan:

upnp*

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directhex:

myth!

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jduggan:

directhex: well i use myth for my own stuff, i built a low powered samba server for my brother and his gf to share media etc (based on atom chip), he's asked if he can play some `media` from his xbox

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jduggan:

:o

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jduggan:

so figured myth was overkill just for upnp ;P

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iamlindoro:

ushare might fit the bill

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GreyFoxx:

just be warned that the xbox360 is a very poor media player with a limited set of codecs/containers

[15:33:19]

GreyFoxx:

yeah ushare would work

[15:38:12]

gbee:

I was pretty disappointed with the Bond film, but not going to get into a long boring rant about why

[15:38:59]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Only thing I didn't like was the way it was cut in many of the action sequences

[15:39:20]

gbee:

oh and iamlindoro you're not a jerk, least no more than any of us are at different times of the day and week

[15:39:50]

gbee:

my snarky comments last night to a few people probably weren't appreciated :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: initial couple of scenes were especially bad for that

[15:40:33]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I don't feel like one for having suggested that one read the lists if using trunk :) I actually feel like any yelling you get for not doing so it appropriate :)

[15:40:45]

iamlindoro:

er is

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iamlindoro:

gbee, I agree

[15:41:44]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Really wanted to understand what happened in that car chase/foot chase :)

[15:42:00]

gbee:

it is appropriate, I'm just in a generous mood atm – won't last

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Haha, well thank you kindly then

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gbee:

iamlindoro: there was a car/foot chase? I just remember 20 minutes of blur

[15:42:57]

iamlindoro:

gbee, haha, ok, touche. I just tend to tune out when cute redheads walk onscreen

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gbee:

it's funny because at one point they were talking to a relative of mine to direct, but he has that same close camera, fast moving style so it was clearly something the producers were looking for

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gbee:

just a shame they didn't pull back more often so you could actually see what was happening – ala Bourne, which IMHO set a new benchmark and which Bond seems to be aiming for but falling short

[15:46:07]

gbee:

but I said I wasn't going to rant ...

[15:46:19]

iamlindoro:

heh

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: if a SATA controller card says 'hostRAID' would that be suitable for linux? like this card: http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Control . . . /AAR-1420SA/

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dustybin:

i cannot find any 3ware or arcea SATA controller cards what are not RAID

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directhex:

dustybin, hostraid means software raid

[15:50:17]

directhex:

dustybin, nobody's forcing you to use it as such, though

[15:50:22]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, Just because the card allows for RAID doesn't mean you have to use it, most low price cards can simply be used as SATA controllers

[15:50:34]

directhex:

dustybin, and why would 3ware & areca sell software raid cards?

[15:50:46]

dustybin:

i thought they might of

[15:51:11]

directhex:

dustybin, a hardware raid card is a software raid card (i.e. the same shitty silicon image chips), connected to its own CPU instead of to your bus. without that CPU, what differentiates on sii3112 card from another?

[15:51:34]

dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

it seems silly me forking out serious dollar for a hardware RAID controller when linux software RAID would be good enough, so far, only found promise and adaptec card. will carry on looking

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Just buy a serial ata controller, you don't need anything that even says the word "RAID"

[15:54:43]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: thats what im looking for

[15:54:49]

iamlindoro:

kernel RAID uses software, it doesn't require a special card

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directhex:

look at the Â£10 end of the market.

[15:55:15]

dustybin:

jeeze as low as that

[15:55:45]

gbee:

well you can over pay if you'd prefer

[15:56:08]

dustybin:

well you guys said to avoid 'promise' so im now looking out for other makes

[15:56:24]

iamlindoro:

I have a few nice Highpoint cards, they work fine

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** dustybin makes a note **

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directhex:

Extra Value Serial ATA 2 Port PCI Card

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dustybin:

in regards to bandwidth, how many SATA drives can one put on a 133 PCI bus before things go pair shaped?

[15:57:25]

directhex:

# Â£11.83inc vat

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directhex:

dustybin, you're confused

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directhex:

dustybin, "133 PCI bus"?

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dustybin:

the bus runs a 133MHz ?

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directhex:

the PCI bus has a total combined bandwidth of 133 MB/s

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dustybin:

oh ok

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directhex:

i.e. combined for ALL devices attached to a given PCI bus

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

bloody heck, dont some hard drives go beyond 133 MB/s ?

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gbee:

burst traffic on a SATA device isn't going to exceed 90 MB/s

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gbee:

dustybin: no, not even close

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directhex:

if you're concerned, look at PCIe. PCIe gives 250MB per 1x of slot

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directhex:

i.e. a 1x slot has a dedicated 250MB/s, a 8x slot has 2GB/s

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dustybin:

ok

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gbee:

dustybin: are all drives going to be maxed out? I doubt it somehow

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iamlindoro:

not to mention you would struggle with myth use to use a tiny fraction of that

[16:00:31]

iamlindoro:

gah, gbee beat me to it again

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** directhex uses a 133MHz PCI-X hardware RAID controller, for good measure, tho ;) **

[16:02:15]

gbee:

some 10,000 rpm drives top 100MB/s, but nothing in the desktop market comes close to managing 130 MB/s, nevermind SATA 1.5's 150 MB/s

[16:02:26]

dustybin:

ace

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gbee:

which kinda makes a mockery of SATA 3.0 and SATA 6.0 IMHO

[16:03:04]

directhex:

gbee, velociraptor!

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dustybin:

directhex: what RAID configuration do you use?

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gbee:

though top of the range SSDs are hitting 200MB/s now

[16:03:24]

directhex:

dustybin, 8-drive raid5

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JEDIDIAH__:

a single consumer drive can handle what 99.9% of myth users would throw at it.

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dustybin:

yep RAID 5, thats what i want to use, RAID 6 is safer, but more expensive, RAID 5 is a nice balance

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JEDIDIAH__:

...a lot of myth stuff is going to be bottlenecked by ethernet anyways...

[16:06:52]

directhex:

gigglebit!

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jduggan:

802.3ab ftw

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gizmobay:

How often should I run the optimize myth db script?

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gbee:

directhex: had to look up the benchmarks :) so 125MB/s is close, although the penalty is a noisy drive with a heatsink which increases the physical drive size by 2x

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gbee:

but I conceed, there is a consumer level drive which comes close to 130

[16:13:43]

sphery:

gizmobay: I run it in a daily cron early in the morning (like 3:38am or something)

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gizmobay:

thank you

[16:13:59]

sphery:

ideally, run it at a time when recordings are least likely

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gbee:

gizmobay: not that you need to run it that often, but it doesn't hurt

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sphery:

right, you /should/ run it at least once/month, but once/week is better

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sphery:

if you run it daily, it's main purpose is to catch crashed tables and fix them so you don't have to monitor things as closely

[16:15:05]

gizmobay:

I guess you have it set to run at a time when mythfilldatabase won't be running

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gbee:

but ideally that functionality should be in the housekeeper

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gbee:

;)

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sphery:

actually, mfdb runs whenever it's told to run by the provider, so they may have collided before--never caused an issue

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, and I have some partially-complete patches to do exactly that. :)

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clever:

sphery: if you used 'show table status' in a query, you could get a table that needs it once an hour

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gbee:

mysql isn't completely dumb, it can generally manage repairs/optimisations at the same time as other queries

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clever:

without causing such a surge of load that you cripple things

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sphery:

gbee: it's much more work than it first seems because for safety's sake, we have to have an approach to detect whether we have time to run those kinds of scripts before the next scheduled recording, and need a way to ensure that if we're doing a repair and we or MySQL crash, we repair that table immediately before anyone accesses it, and ideally we need a way to prevent any clients/remote backends from touching the DB ...

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sphery:

... (especially for the backup portion)

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sphery:

clever: I know exactly how to do it... I just need to get the time to put in the framework that makes doing it safe. :)

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clever:

ahh:)

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sphery:

the repair/crash thing could trash someone's DB

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clever:

something i was doing in my own db

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clever:

i need to mass delete millions of rows every month

[16:19:05]

clever:

but not a full truncate table

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clever:

a full delete of them would take too long

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clever:

so i used a limit clause to cut it down to x rows at once, then i time it and do the math so i try to do 30 seconds of deletes at once

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clever:

and i store the avg rates in a table

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clever:

so it knows how fast mysql can delete rows(rows/second) for each table

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clever:

how would i update perls @INC to handle my custom --prefix from the install?

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sphery:

clever: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/299202#299202

[16:27:41]

sphery:

(yes, strangely enough, there is a post on the MythTV dev list that answers that off-topic question... :)

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clever:

export PERL5LIB=... worked ok

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iamlindoro:

sphery is the human version of Gossamer Threads

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clever:

ots cut 22mb off the db dir so far:)

[16:29:00]

iamlindoro:

he can tell you if a given topic has ever been discussed on any list

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gbee:

oh he's much more than that, Human Google

[16:29:35]

clever:

i'll be shure to pester him more often from now on :P

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm more the early Google... I have a preference for quoting my own posts (kind of like they used to put the links to sponsor sites first).

[16:30:25]

clever:

sphery: the problem with ignoring --prefix and putting it in the 'right' place, is that im sharing the --prefix thru nfs

[16:30:36]

clever:

and the 'right' place wouldnt be visible from half my systems

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sphery:

clever: yeah, I was only talking about the MythTV Perl bindings there. There are many reasons to put other things elsewhere (such as the MythWeather scripts.)

[16:31:09]

clever:

wee, 202mb->157mb!

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clever:

in my special case, nothing should go to the local fs siince i intend to share the entire install thru a nfs mount at --prefix

[16:32:18]

clever:

but my special case may also apply to compiling for /usr/ and then installing to /tmp/xyz/

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clever:

(for packaging up)

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sphery:

Yeah, I figure the packaqers can figure that kind of thing out themselves. :) If nothing else, rather than use the overall --prefix, we should add a --perl-bindings-prefix or something (though I don't think it's worthwhile).

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clever:

i think theres 2 sets of prefix options

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clever:

one for to compile into the code for runtime use, and another for installing

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sphery:

time to mow the lawn

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dustybin:

is there a way to convert a .mkv into a .avi without losing any quality?

[16:46:05]

iamlindoro:

those are just containers

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dustybin:

thats what i thought

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iamlindoro:

You need to learn the concepts and all of this will make sense

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dustybin:

but wasnt sure about the process

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dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro:

same as all stream copies... In fact, I'm 100% I've given you examples of stream copies twice in the last 48 hours

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Lynet:

You just need a tool to read the streams out of the .mkv cotainer and put them in a .avi container instead.

[16:47:06]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i inputfile.mkv -acodec copy -vcodec copy outputfile.avi

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: you showed me how to re-copy a .avi container

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: thanks

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, I showed you how to copy the streams of a given file into another file. Twice. This is the EXACT same thing

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dustybin:

ok

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Are you using the VDPAU nvidia driver daily or only for the occasional testing? I am debating on taking the plunge on my main rig. The reports on the nvidia forum are too variable (success/failures) to indicate level of stability. I have a 8600GTS which is suppose to get max benefit from the VDPAU driver.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, it was released less than 24 hours ago, it would be foolish to be trying to use it for actual use

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RDV_Linux:

Point taken.

[16:49:17]

iamlindoro:

You need to give in a month or two *at least* before you start to consider it for real use

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jduggan:

whats the vpdau driver?

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jduggan:

whatd i miss

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iamlindoro:

jduggan, GPU accelerated decode of h.264/vc1/mpeg1–2

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jduggan:

in nvidia?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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jduggan:

wow

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iamlindoro:

9xxx series and most 8xxx series

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iamlindoro:

more or less makes every single instance of h.264 I can throw at it up to about 40 Mbit take 1% CPU

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jams:

i think it's nvidia trying to force us to update all our video cards

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iamlindoro:

including HD-PVR, bluray, etc.

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iamlindoro:

jams, To some success, it seems :)

[16:51:32]

jams:

all my cards are 5200 or 6600

[16:52:02]

jams:

guess i do have that huge 8xxx card, but don't really use it.

[16:52:17]

iamlindoro:

jams, I am looking forward to the day where we can answer the "what do I need to do HD" question with a simple "anything with an nvidia 8xxx or better, the end."

[16:52:18]

jams:

at any rate if it works better then xvmc I don't mind =)

[16:52:21]

jduggan:

i have a 8600GT, is this likely to have the neccessary hardware to benefit

[16:52:35]

iamlindoro:

yes, that will work

[16:53:35]

jduggan:

i was planning on buying onboard intel for a new frontend with a big proc, maybe i should consider otherwise now

[16:53:47]

iamlindoro:

But don't get too far ahead of yourselves, these drivers/patches are known to crash the GPU and the system, they are at BEST alpha quality, needs a month or two to mature

[16:54:00]

jduggan:

oh i wont be rushing out

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jduggan:

=]

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iamlindoro:

Janneg had 15 Mbit h.264 playing on a 1 Ghz processor yesterday at 10% CPU, so it's realistic to believe that when stable this will be the way to go, though

[16:54:43]

iamlindoro:

pretty dang exciting stuff

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jduggan:

oh sweet

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jduggan:

yea

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iamlindoro:

should be possible to do an entirely passively cooled system that is tiny and capable of any HD you can throw at it

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jduggan:

i wonder what mainboard i can get that will have a decent enough onboard nvidia...

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jduggan:

to use it

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jduggan:

onboard HDMI a bonus

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iamlindoro:

pretty much all the IGP 8xxx and 9xxx will work

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2008-November/063677.html

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KaZeR:

hi there

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iamlindoro:

That post lists all the functional cards

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janneg:

iamlindoro: it was a 2.5 Ghz at the 1ghz power state

[17:00:53]

iamlindoro:

janneg, ah, okay, good to know

[17:01:32]

janneg:

iamlindoro: I think whose warnings are kind of standard disclaimer

[17:02:00]

iamlindoro:

janneg, Does that mean you disagree with me and think people should be using it in production systems?

[17:02:23]

janneg:

I assume it can happen, but it shouldn't normally if feed proper videos in

[17:02:48]

janneg:

broadcast with distortions might be be a different case

[17:03:38]

janneg:

iamlindoro: depends on how critical there production system is

[17:04:07]

iamlindoro:

*shrug* Well, up to the individual I suppose. I think it is premature, but to each his own

[17:04:22]

janneg:

if they can't allow a single missed show and the backend runs on the same system I would not

[17:04:28]

janneg:

recommend it

[17:05:19]

janneg:

if it is a frontend only system and the viewrs are reboot tolerant, why not

[17:08:23]

iamlindoro:

It *is* fun to see 1080p playback take less CPU than SAMBA, though ;)

[17:08:45]

iamlindoro:

where 1080p = 35 Mbit h.264 Profile 4.1 from Bluray

[17:09:17]

gbee:

are we sure that the 8200 supports PureVideo HD, nvidia website suggest 8400+

[17:10:05]

iamlindoro:

gbee, That sounds right-- did I mistakenly tell someone 8200 was okay?

[17:11:07]

gbee:

iamlindoro: no, just that it appears in the list so don't want anyone to rush out and buy a motherboard with an 8200/8300 IGP

[17:11:38]

iamlindoro:

ohhhhh, I see it now

[17:11:48]

gbee:

unfortunately I'm not finding many IGP AM2+ boards with anything other than 8200/8300

[17:12:18]

gbee:

it's on the list since it supports PureVideo (mpeg2) but not PureVideo HD (h.264)

[17:12:36]

iamlindoro:

gbee, http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-nvidi . . . 1972-10.html

[17:12:51]

iamlindoro:

Looks like at least the reviewed mobo is HD

[17:12:54]

iamlindoro:

er Purevideo HD

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iamlindoro:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8200mgpu.html

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iamlindoro:

That also says Purevideo HD

[17:15:15]

gbee:

hmm, their Purevideo HD page talks about 8400, 8600 etc, but makes an early reference to 7xxx and 8xxx series

[17:17:23]

gbee:

if the 8200 supports h.264 then I might consider getting one, although that review also suggests the 780 supports h.264 yet I find no mention of it in the wikipedia article listing UVD2 chipsets

[17:17:34]

Lynet:

"second generation video processors". That email had a list of supported cards, I don't see why we should start second guessing it.

[17:18:00]

gbee:

I can get a 780 board for half what a comparable 8200 board would cost

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Lynet:

gbee: But will ATI make drivers for it soonish?

[17:19:05]

gbee:

Lynet: because there are differences between the formats supported – PureVideo supports mpeg2 and is not the same as their XvMC implementation that was phased out

[17:19:12]

gbee:

Lynet: they already have

[17:19:19]

gbee:

over a month ago

[17:19:30]

jduggan:

for new builds (aimed @ HD playback), spending that little more on a capable integrated board is probably alot cheaper than getting the 3ghz< cpu required for comfortable playback

[17:19:35]

Lynet:

gbee: h.264 drivers?

[17:20:00]

gbee:

Lynet: yes, drivers supporting h.264, VC-1 and mpeg2

[17:20:47]

Lynet:

Whow. So why isn't everyone building Linux media PCs raving about it yet?

[17:21:00]

gbee:

they are, you somehow missed it

[17:21:30]

gbee:

but like the Nvidia release, there is no working integration for MythTV or most media players yet

[17:22:17]

jduggan:

did amd provide sampled ffmpeg/mplayer patches

[17:22:24]

jduggan:

for the new driver

[17:22:39]

gbee:

in that respect Nvidia support might come first because they released example code and full API documentation, whereas ATi can't for legal reasons but they are doing what they can within contractual obligations to get that info out there

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gbee:

btw 3Ghz is probably an over estimate – chances are if you need a new CPU for that new board, then you'll pay more than just buying a board without the required IGP and the 2.4 Ghz processor for HD

[17:25:29]

gbee:

e.g. my HD capable frontend has a Â£35 mobo with HDMI out and a Â£38 Dual core 2Ghz CPU (prices 6 months ago) – an 8200 based board looks to start at Â£55

[17:25:41]

jduggan:

well, i was hoping to build a HD capable frontend for less than Â£150, basically board, cpu, case

[17:25:50]

jduggan:

and i wanted as slim a case as possible

[17:26:05]

gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/

[17:26:20]

gbee:

again, prices etc are six months old at least

[17:26:23]

jduggan:

where my `HD` capable is blueray

[17:27:04]

gbee:

heh, well you'll pay at least Â£75 for the drive then :)

[17:27:05]

iamlindoro:

biggest expenditure for blu ray will be Hard Drives

[17:27:23]

jduggan:

gbee: well, the drive will come in the future

[17:27:32]

gbee:

but if you aren't counting that, then you can still spend well under Â£150

[17:27:36]

jduggan:

gbee: i dont want to build something i have to replace

[17:27:40]

jduggan:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Example: http://rafb.net/p/tQ5e2t18.html

[17:28:55]

jduggan:

iamlindoro: heh

[17:29:44]

iamlindoro:

you can throw the system together for a few hundred bucks once the VDPAU stuff matures a tiny bit, but you'll still be on the hook for a few TB if you expect not to transcode

[17:30:10]

jduggan:

iamlindoro: what about playback direct from the disc

[17:30:18]

iamlindoro:

jduggan, no such animal yet

[17:30:25]

jduggan:

iamlindoro: yea not yet

[17:30:29]

jduggan:

but with recent progressions

[17:30:39]

jduggan:

across all aspects of HD

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jduggan:

and blueray

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gbee:

I won't be interested until playback from the disc is a reality

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iamlindoro:

jduggan, the recent BD+ open source developments can decrypt about five titles-- they are many many months from something that will play most of what is out there

[17:31:13]

iamlindoro:

It's encouraging, but still a long way off

[17:31:17]

jduggan:

iamlindoro: sure

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jduggan:

i'm in no rush, however

[17:31:25]

iamlindoro:

anyway, disks are for suckers

[17:31:37]

iamlindoro:

(IMHO) ;)

[17:31:41]

jduggan:

i just dont want to build something now, that isnt going to play those discs in 12months time :D

[17:32:11]

iamlindoro:

I think it's fair to expect that if you get a mobo with a GPU from that list, in 12 months time it will have no issue playing at least *ripped* bluray

[17:32:31]

iamlindoro:

timetable on decryption is less clear, but secondary to what hardware to buy

[17:32:34]

jduggan:

what bitrate are those bluerays in that pastebin?

[17:32:38]

jduggan:

using 30odd gig

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jduggan:

each

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iamlindoro:

between 20–37 Mbit

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iamlindoro:

H.264 and VC1 msotly

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iamlindoro:

although a few of the very early disks are high bitrate MPEG-2

[17:34:49]

iamlindoro:

Click, Specifically, is 44 Mbit MPEG-2

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JEDIDIAH__:

getting rid of the original media is entirely too convenient in the end.

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jedi__:

shazbot

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[17:50:32]

a1fa:

sorry

[17:50:33]

iamlindoro:

sweet jesus

[17:50:39]

a1fa:

i am sorry dont know what happened

[17:50:44]

iamlindoro:

heh

[17:50:47]

a1fa:

;(

[17:51:11]

iamlindoro:

So Sage has a new version out

[17:51:14]

a1fa:

i need to fix this

[17:51:37]

iamlindoro:

and they're touting something called "HD-PVR placeshifting." Not sure if they mean anything besides the ability to record in one place and play in another.

[17:51:47]

iamlindoro:

(with the HD-PVR, obviously)

[17:52:02]

a1fa:

anybody know why i would get some jumping picture on my recordings?

[17:52:10]

a1fa:

this started happening after i changed VBI

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iamlindoro:

I had always presumed that Sage used a similar discrete backend/frontend scheme to myth, but maybe not.

[17:52:16]

a1fa:

from PAL to NONE

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iamlindoro:

a1fa, That is an obscenely general symptom, you will need to look at your frontend logs

[17:52:46]

a1fa:

its actually in recordings

[17:52:51]

iamlindoro:

and if they don't show anything useful to you, pastebin them and maybe they will for us

[17:52:58]

a1fa:

the picture starts jumping

[17:53:05]

a1fa:

and audio starts messing up

[17:53:06]

a1fa:

:(

[17:53:11]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, Erm... the skips are in the recordings themselves? ie you play them in mplayer and the same stuff happens?

[17:53:28]

a1fa:

yup

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iamlindoro:

so... change VBI back, then?

[17:53:47]

a1fa:

i did

[17:54:13]

iamlindoro:

this is an ivtv card? PVR-x50?

[17:54:16]

a1fa:

aha

[17:54:19]

a1fa:

PVR-500

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iamlindoro:

hm, sounds strange to me, what happens when you just cat a recording?

[17:54:49]

a1fa:

;)

[17:54:57]

a1fa:

the usual

[17:55:09]

iamlindoro:

...?

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iamlindoro:

english, now

[17:55:37]

a1fa:

cat a recording?

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iamlindoro:

cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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a1fa:

ah

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a1fa:

sorry

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forrestv:

hehe

[17:56:03]

a1fa:

didnt try that yet

[17:56:06]

forrestv:

cat test.mpg

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a1fa:

ya

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a1fa:

that would be bad

[17:56:19]

iamlindoro:

whoah, cat test.mpg will make bad things happen

[17:56:20]

iamlindoro:

don't do that

[17:56:24]

a1fa:

i kno :P

[17:56:25]

iamlindoro:

Do what I said

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a1fa:

doin

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iamlindoro:

anyway, I gotta run, but if that plays fine, then the problem is Myth settings. If it doesn't, it's hardware or drivers/v4l settings

[17:58:44]

a1fa:

the probelm is it doesnt do it constantly

[17:59:41]

iamlindoro:

could very well be overheating, those cards run hot normally, if your case is getting really hat that could happen

[17:59:50]

iamlindoro:

s/hat/hot/

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a1fa:

ok

[18:01:51]

a1fa:

i'll look into it

[18:03:03]

a1fa:

it may be time for a new setup

[18:03:11]

a1fa:

new backend+new front end

[18:04:11]

iamlindoro:

Don't forget an nvidia 8xxx or 9xxx

[18:04:28]

a1fa:

i just got a 6600

[18:04:40]

iamlindoro:

toss 'er

[18:04:43]

a1fa:

for $30.. and it doesnt work

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a1fa:

everything works except DVI->HDMI

[18:06:09]

a1fa:

DVI->VGA works just fine

[18:06:50]

a1fa:

i am thinking of buying a HP desktop for cheap

[18:06:59]

a1fa:

and adding my cards in it

[18:07:21]

a1fa:

it may be cheaper than buying components and putting it together

[18:07:27]

a1fa:

AMD A2 5200+

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iamlindoro:

You're gonna want a 8xxx or 9xxx series soon :) Just return the 6600 and get a similar or same prices 8xxx series

[18:07:42]

iamlindoro:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1

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iamlindoro:

"So what's VDPAU? The Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix. It is currently able to accelerate the decoding of MPEG-1, MPEG-2, H.264, and VC-1 bitstreams."

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iamlindoro:

^^^ Yesterday's big news

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a1fa:

go with PCI-X video card?

[18:11:05]

iamlindoro:

pci-x???

[18:11:17]

iamlindoro:

why in the world would you want to do that? And where in the world would you find one?

[18:11:29]

a1fa:

pci-e

[18:11:30]

a1fa:

sprru

[18:11:39]

a1fa:

PCI-E

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jams:

sprru ?

[18:12:02]

a1fa:

sorry :)

[18:12:05]

a1fa:

damn laptop

[18:12:18]

iamlindoro:

any 9xxx series GPU, which will be PCIe, yes, would be a good choice

[18:12:25]

iamlindoro:

and most (but not all) 8xxx series

[18:12:43]

jduggan:

hrm, they dont make integrated 9xxx series gpus on boards yet?

[18:13:01]

iamlindoro:

yes, there's a new chipset w/ 9xxx IGP

[18:13:14]

jduggan:

how new is new

[18:13:22]

iamlindoro:

last month or two IIRC

[18:13:40]

iamlindoro:

Think ASUS has one out-- jpabq knows more

[18:13:44]

jduggan:

i get my hardware @ trade and without tax since i order through work (good boss), they dont seem to have any 9xxx IGP boards :(

[18:14:00]

jduggan:

they being our supplier

[18:14:03]

jduggan:

www.scan.co.uk

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jduggan:

:|

[18:14:06]

jduggan:

may call 'em up

[18:14:16]

a1fa:

Can 7600GS work?

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iamlindoro:

a1fa, no

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iamlindoro:

Pay attention. all 9xxx. Most 8xxx.

[18:14:38]

iamlindoro:

the end

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a1fa:

;)

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a1fa:

damn

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a1fa:

thats $100 into the budget

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iamlindoro:

Now ask me if a Rage 128 can work

[18:15:11]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, $100? You can get a compatible card for $30

[18:15:17]

a1fa:

no way

[18:15:38]

iamlindoro:

yes way

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a1fa:

:)

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clever:

iamlindoro: if you do hang the nvidia gpu, can you get away with a vbetool post instead of a reboot?

[18:16:18]

iamlindoro:

clever, good question. No idea, haven't managed to hang anything yet

[18:16:27]

clever:

lucky:)

[18:16:27]

iamlindoro:

(although I have made mplayer generate some nasty errors)

[18:16:45]

clever:

my last Xorg related crash was when the nfs server(hold /) disapeared for an hour

[18:16:52]

a1fa:

now if i can only find a good motherboard

[18:16:58]

a1fa:

cpu and case for cheap

[18:17:01]

clever:

when things finaly recovered, Xorg wasnt running anymore, but the video card state was hosed

[18:17:02]

a1fa:

+cpu+ram

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jduggan:

clever: all errors you have seem to be related to your nfs ;)

[18:17:05]

iamlindoro:

But I'm feeding it nice, studio produced h.264 that's strict profile 4.1... probably easier to confuse it with random internet crap

[18:17:30]

clever:

jduggan: this time the nic driver/card got confused about eachothers state and the box droped off the network

[18:17:32]

gbee:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/145753/show_pro . . . ype=extended

[18:17:39]

clever:

[436509.988346] eth0: Inconsistent Rx descriptor chain.

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clever:

repeating 100 times/second

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gbee:

thinking about that board for a new desktop/development frontend/backend

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Looks nice

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clever:

jduggan: in this case i wouldnt exactly blame nfs

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clever:

id clasify it as / disapearing for an hour, causing the gates of hell to open!

[18:20:14]

gbee:

haven't been searching long, but with if the 8200 is Pure HD then it ticks all my boxes

[18:20:32]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Did I misread? Looked like it was 8300

[18:20:49]

iamlindoro:

Which is listed in the -dev post, at least

[18:21:05]

iamlindoro:

oh, guess 8200 and 9300 are based off the same chip, yeah?

[18:21:10]

iamlindoro:

er 8200 and 8300

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gbee:

8200/8300 – same thing

[18:21:48]

gbee:

8300 is overclocked a little to give it a bit more raw power

[18:22:06]

gbee:

but you are right, it's an 8300

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iamlindoro:

wonder if there's anyone in the nv forums who's testing 180.06 that's got an 82/300

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gbee:

looking at this as an alternative to a new drive for the laptop, not really a straight trade obviously since I'll lose a monitor :/

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** jedi__ is glad that he just got his 8400... **

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clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)

[18:33:32]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1)

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clever:

i need to upgrade my systems....

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jduggan:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yes you do

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kormoc:

You need a job first

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** wagnerrp is sad that his 8400 is in the mail **

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, better then it being back at the factory

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: return it

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jduggan:

;o

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wagnerrp:

ugh... ive been wondering where all my rechargable batteries were

[19:30:51]

wagnerrp:

turns out six of them were in my sister's keyboard

[19:35:14]

sid3windr:

be happy it's in her keyboard and not some other battery powered device

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wagnerrp:

well if it were, the batteries probably wouldnt have been dead for the last several months

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trumee:

guys, is it possible to route mythtv audio via bluetooth headphones. With mplayer i simply do a mplayer -ao alsa:device=bluetooth music.mp3 and the sound comes through my headphones.

[19:38:56]

** sphery wonders if "WinTV-HD" is the same as HD-PVR... **

[19:39:03]

wagnerrp:

if its an alsa device, then yes you can

[19:39:35]

sphery:

trumee: in Myth, use audio output device ALSA:bluetooth and mixer device ALSA:default

[19:39:57]

sphery:

(yes, you really use ALSA:default for the mixer, which makes no sense, but don't get me started on that)

[19:40:01]

trumee:

sphery, thanks. going to try this

[19:43:49]

janneg:

sphery: I can't make much out of the mail either but I don't care

[19:45:49]

sphery:

janneg: the mail with the guy wanting 8 backends for 8 satellite feeds?

[19:46:08]

janneg:

yes

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sphery:

yeah, I didn't read the whole thing but was /very/ surprised no one told him that satellite feeds would require HD-PVR

[19:47:46]

sphery:

I was just hoping if I said enough of the right words, it would get someone who actually knows what they're talking about to start down that path and help him out.

[19:50:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery, maybe LG123 wil "help" him

[19:50:44]

iamlindoro:

he knows how to get "legit" satellite

[19:50:57]

iamlindoro:

after all, he's "a FTA guy."

[19:52:25]

iamlindoro:

I think people are confused about which (speech/beer) type of F is in FTA

[19:54:50]

janneg:

sphery: I think I added automatically "Nova-S"

[19:55:38]

janneg:

but I concentrated more on the impressive hardware list and the limited outputs

[19:58:02]

Lynet:

Any recommendations on a DVB-T card? My backend box is also getting a bit crowded, so would an USB DVB-T adapter work ok?

[19:58:30]

gbee:

Lynet: provided it's attached to a proper aerial and not those silly things they are supplied with

[19:58:45]

iamlindoro:

I think SiliconDust *finally* has the DVB-T HDHomerun out

[19:59:09]

Lynet:

iamlindoro: Is that the DVB-T to ethernet box?

[19:59:32]

iamlindoro:

Lynet, Classically it's been dual ATSC/QAM to ethernet, the new one is DVB-T, yeah... looks like it's in manufacturing right now

[19:59:35]

iamlindoro:

http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun_dvbt

[20:00:15]

gbee:

aye, someone from SD was talking about it here the other day

[20:00:52]

gbee:

s/here/#mythtv/

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iamlindoro:

But if your needs are immediate I think there are a fair number of nice Hauppauge DVB-T sticks that are well supported

[20:01:38]

iamlindoro:

If you can wait a short while I bet it'll be a nice option-- US users seem to rave about them

[20:02:22]

Lynet:

iamlindoro: Would you happen to know roughly price? Oh, and will it allow pulling epg from air?

[20:02:42]

iamlindoro:

Lynet, good questions but I can't give definite answers, their forum should be some help

[20:02:55]

iamlindoro:

US HDHomeRun is $140ish these days

[20:03:06]

iamlindoro:

I would guess somewhere close to that in euros since it's new

[20:03:12]

Lynet:

And for encrypted stuff, will it simply fail or will it give you an encrypted mpeg stream?

[20:03:33]

Lynet:

Actually, I guess I'll just go read their forum. Thanks.

[20:03:54]

iamlindoro:

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewforum.ph . . . 6093430bfbc2

[20:03:57]

iamlindoro:

That's the DVB-T forum

[20:04:14]

Lynet:

Excellent. Double thanks.

[20:04:46]

iamlindoro:

np

[20:05:05]

doje_:

Lynet: I use Firewire and when it hits encrypted content it freeezes up. I don't know if that helps you though

[20:05:22]

iamlindoro:

That's different, 5C and encryption are different

[20:05:36]

doje_:

uh, 5C is encryption

[20:05:42]

iamlindoro:

No, it's not,.

[20:05:49]

wagnerrp:

and terrestrial broadcasts should not be encrypted anyway

[20:05:55]

iamlindoro:

It's a signal telling the cable box to turn OFF the firewire output.

[20:06:00]

gbee:

they can be

[20:06:02]

iamlindoro:

the signal isn't encrypted, it's *off*

[20:06:15]

gbee:

at least outside the US ... so ignore me

[20:06:29]

doje_:

that's not my understanding – it's off because the client can't authenticate

[20:06:36]

wagnerrp:

gbee: actually, he is talking about dvb-t

[20:07:04]

Lynet:

doje_: 5C is crypto between the decoder box and the PC. It is not the same as crypto on the broadcast signal. They are two different issues.

[20:07:08]

gbee:

doje_ ? he's talking about firewire, i.e. US STBs

[20:07:28]

gbee:

oh Lynet before him was talking about DVB-T, aye

[20:08:00]

doje_:

Lynet: sorry, I didn't know what you were talking about. just though I'd share my experience with firewire – use US cable STB

[20:08:10]

gbee:

there are 3/4 encrypted, pay per view channels here in the UK

[20:08:19]

doje_:

use = yes*

[20:08:31]

gbee:

on DVB-T

[20:08:51]

gbee:

not worth paying a single penny for, but all the same

[20:08:53]

Lynet:

doje_: I know. All this crypto stuff tends to get a bit confusing, no worries. :-)

[20:09:31]

doje_:

and annoying :-)

[20:09:32]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Not even Setanta sports?

[20:10:55]

doje_:

anyone around know the USB-UIRT? I can't get this thing to transmit

[20:15:12]

iamlindoro:

I know they're considered to be a bit of a pain compared to more conventional receivers/blasters-- what made you choose that one?

[20:17:14]

doje_:

I had DISH, which uses 56khz signals, and that one supposedly supported it.

[20:18:07]

doje_:

I ended up fabricating a simple diode for those boxes

[20:18:32]

iamlindoro:

Hmm. I am fairly (90%+) certain the mceusb blaster ought to be usable with dish network, I used to blast to a dish box, can't recall if that was MCEUSB or serial, though

[20:18:39]

doje_:

I had this USB-UIRT working once, under openSUSE 10.2, but I can't get it working under ubuntu 8.10 or 8.04

[20:19:23]

iamlindoro:

Might be worth installing the mythbuntu-control-center package (you don't need to install the whole mythbuntu-desktop) which probably has a preset for usb-uirt

[20:19:24]

doje_:

I don't even have dish anymore, just trying to control the tv volume now

[20:19:56]

doje_:

I'll check that

[20:20:05]

iamlindoro:

This may also be of some assistance: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lirc_USB-UIRT

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you're right--it's a job for LG123 (been on the other screen working on/testing a patch)

[20:22:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery, heh

[20:22:21]

doje_:

iamlindoro: thanks, I'll give that a try. I had been running it from the cl

[20:22:31]

iamlindoro:

doje_, np

[20:22:50]

** iamlindoro is sitting around all day feeding all these new HD-DVDs to MythVideo **

[20:23:00]

iamlindoro:

might as well make a nuisance of myself

[20:23:19]

sphery:

iamlindoro: how long does a rip take? 1:1 or so?

[20:23:22]

iamlindoro:

MythVideo is an angry mistress, she demands MOAR AYTCH DEE

[20:23:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery, on the order of 1/3rd-1/2 real time, but I'm doing it from a VM so I imagine I'd get better results native

[20:24:00]

sphery:

cool

[20:24:12]

iamlindoro:

Also writing straight to a network share so that doesn't help either

[20:24:54]

sphery:

my backends take about >1x (up to 2x) realtime for commflagging (i.e. flag a 1-hr recording in 1.5 or 2 hours)

[20:25:20]

iamlindoro:

I don't think I'm up to ripping all of Galactica Season 1 today, though

[20:25:27]

sphery:

so does it actually transcode images or just mess with the container

[20:25:44]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what bitrate/codec/processor?

[20:26:48]

iamlindoro:

sphery, wait, which now?

[20:27:27]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm just decrypting the disk and copying the feature film straight to my Mythvideo share, still in original container and all

[20:27:51]

sphery:

wagnerrp: OTA HDTV (so anywhere from 9Mbps to 19Mbps) MPEG-2 on Athlon XP 2400+ and 2000+

[20:27:51]

wagnerrp:

sphery: im just wondering because my lowly 2GHz A64 will do HD mpeg2 at several times real-time

[20:28:14]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, "mess with the container" was more a way of not saying words I didn't want to say... :)

[20:28:26]

wagnerrp:

i usually get ~150fps when commflagging

[20:28:28]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Sorry, I am being slow today

[20:28:32]

clever:

damnit, now i realy want to play with that nvidia beta driver

[20:28:44]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, I also run boinc...

[20:28:48]

clever:

that last 264 file i played had trouble with the normaly blazing fast c2d

[20:28:57]

iamlindoro:

maybe Hardware decode will be what finally makes clever get a job

[20:29:04]

iamlindoro:

naaaahhhhh

[20:29:05]

wagnerrp:

clever: your mobile quadro is not supported?

[20:29:15]

clever:

wagnerrp: i havent tryed it yet

[20:29:34]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, This is another case of clever wanting to talk more than he wants to expend calories

[20:29:34]

clever:

sphery: that reminds me, i made a php script which checks if mythtv is doing any jobs, then puts boinc on hold and disables powernowd

[20:29:53]

sid3windr:

why disable powernowd?

[20:30:04]

sid3windr:

doesn't it see the cpu has work to do and scale up?

[20:30:10]

clever:

so the cpu goes to max speed and the job runs faster

[20:30:15]

clever:

powernowd ignores reniced tasks by default

[20:30:20]

sid3windr:

oh.

[20:30:27]

clever:

and if i shut that off, boinc would lock it at 100% speed 24/7

[20:30:35]

sphery:

I don't run any CPU-frequency scaling on my non-laptop systems. There's always plenty for the CPU to do (boinc and all).

[20:31:00]

clever:

i dont even have the scaling option on my desktops

[20:31:26]

clever:

but 3 of my job slave systems are laptops

[20:31:37]

sphery:

clever: yeah, that's something that was new in this millenium. :)

[20:31:38]

clever:

and stoping boinc on the desktops helps get the extra boost

[20:32:37]

sphery:

yeah, boinc does slow it--I think mythcommflag runs at nice 17 with my job settings and boinc at nice 19, but boinc still gets some proc time

[20:32:45]

clever:

yep

[20:33:10]

clever:

./boinc_cmd --set_run_mode never 1200

[20:33:10]

sphery:

Fortunately, I don't generally watch TV very soon after recording

[20:33:13]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt necessarily say 'this millennium'...

[20:33:15]

clever:

that would be the key thing to doing it from a script

[20:33:23]

wagnerrp:

AMD desktop chips didnt get it until K8

[20:33:33]

wagnerrp:

that was... 2004?

[20:34:17]

sphery:

yeah, but that's in this millenium (and clever's hardware isn't)

[20:34:54]

** clever makes a fresh 8.10 install on a usb stick **

[20:40:23]

sphery:

So, if the 'L', 'M', 'C', and 'D' keys on this keyboard are worn down (with grooves/scratches, even), does that mean they're the keys I hit most???

[20:40:54]

clever:

on my c600 laptop there are keys that are so worn, the lettering is starting to disapear

[20:41:01]

clever:

and they are polished to a shine

[20:41:26]

clever:

half that is a greesy polish:P, but the normal texture is gone too

[20:41:27]

wagnerrp:

the WASD on my laptop went that way, before i had them replace it under warranty a couple years ago

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wagnerrp:

of course they remain clean, since my laptop is no longer capable of gaming

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clever:

this d630 has a slight bit of shine to the center of the keys but isnt as noticable

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sphery:

yeah, I can see WASD wearing off a gamer keyboard

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that i curl my fingers far more than youre supposed to when typing

[20:44:46]

wagnerrp:

so i end up actually typing partially with my fingernails

[20:44:53]

wagnerrp:

and ended up just scratching off the paint

[20:45:03]

sphery:

I think I'd really wonder about the keys that are wearing off my keyboard if in addition to M, D, C, and L, the X, V, and I keys were wearing off...

[20:45:32]

clever:

wagnerrp: ive managed to somehow scratch a layer off the touchpad on my c600

[20:45:50]

wagnerrp:

well thats what you get for using a touchpad as your primary input device

[20:45:51]

sphery:

I do my best to never ever use a touchpad...

[20:46:12]

clever:

the top left button is also totaly broken

[20:46:17]

clever:

and the bottom left button sticks

[20:46:24]

clever:

so im forced to use tap to click

[20:46:34]

clever:

and its imposible to simulate a middle with tap&right

[20:47:15]

sphery:

you know they make these really nice things called mice--some will even plug in to laptops...

[20:47:32]

clever:

yes thats why im allways using a usb mouse on my laptop

[20:48:07]

clever:

and the bottom of that is polished the same way, the normal texture is gone and replaced with a smooth patch

[20:48:11]

clever:

i even wore off half of the groove that normaly goes arround the 'feet'

[20:48:30]

wagnerrp:

thats why you buy replacement pads

[20:48:36]

wagnerrp:

theyre like $5 for a pack

[20:49:01]

clever:

but the c600 only has 1 usb port so i cant use stuff like usb sticks

[20:49:20]

clever:

the grooves that keep the feet from sliding are gone on 2 corners

[20:49:33]

clever:

and they are likely to get caught on the bed sheets and torn off

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clever:

half the stickers on the laptop wont even stay in place, the heat has softened the glue

[20:50:06]

wagnerrp:

but the stickers are what makes it run so fast...

[20:50:32]

iamlindoro:

"Oh no! Intel is no longer inside!"

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clever:

lol

[20:51:18]

clever:

the d630 c2d is alot cooler on the surface so it doesnt have that problem yet

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, if you remove the sticker the Vcore drops 0.1 volts

[20:56:55]

RyeBrye:

;)

[20:57:05]

andreax1:

*tryout*

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RyeBrye:

can introduce serious stability problems

[20:57:32]

clever:

what if i paint copper&gold on the case where the sticker was to decrease resistance?

[20:58:52]

iamlindoro:

Won't work, those stickers are 100% Unobtanium

[20:59:16]

clever:

oooo, what if i melt them down or layer two of them then?

[20:59:41]

iamlindoro:

That's like dividing by zero, don't do that

[20:59:58]

wagnerrp:

the inner core of the earth would stop rotating

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clever:

yeah, dont want to have the core convert itself into a black hole

[21:00:29]

iamlindoro:

Little known fact, the LHC at CERN is actually built of Intel stickers

[21:01:00]

iamlindoro:

Except they say "relativity inside!"

[21:01:01]

clever:

what do they do with the 'windows xp certified' stickers then?

[21:01:33]

iamlindoro:

You don't want to know, but trust me, you don't ever want to touch the two stickers together

[21:01:48]

andreax1:

rofl

[21:02:16]

clever:

but are they slowing the system down any?

[21:02:27]

clever:

might my h264 files play better if i remove them carefully?

[21:02:37]

iamlindoro:

No, they are like ying and yang, striking the ultimate balance of good and evil

[21:02:53]

clever:

ahh:)

[21:03:19]

iamlindoro:

Or they might just be stickers, what do I know

[21:04:45]

clever:

id prefer to think of those xp stickers as Necessarius

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forrestv:

with the internal video player, i get weird patterns in black areas.

[21:49:07]

forrestv:

it doesn't happen with mplayer

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forrestv:

why is that?

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directhex:

weird patterns?

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wagnerrp:

it faintly displays phrases like 'kill them', or 'kill them all'

[22:00:53]

clever:

i get that all the time, even in the black in xterm windows ;P

[22:01:43]

iamlindoro:

remember, kids, it's never okay to set fires

[22:02:34]

gbee:

symbols, code, secret ... decipher you must

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wagnerrp:

hey guys, you know its funny. there are these people, they go to sleep. they think everything's fine, everything's good. they wake up the next day and theyre on fire

[22:04:13]

gbee:

I call it a hangover

[22:04:34]

jblack:

I call it living in southern california. :)

[22:05:27]

iamlindoro:

I call it being the Human Torch

[22:05:31]

iamlindoro:

Flame on!

[22:05:33]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, are you sure they wake up?

[22:05:53]

wagnerrp:

usually being caught on fire would cause one to wake up

[22:06:06]

wagnerrp:

unless the smoke already killed them

[22:06:18]

kormoc:

or they sleep soundly like myself

[22:06:40]

gbee:

oh I always sleep best when I'm on fire

[22:06:54]

wagnerrp:

i sleep soundly myself

[22:07:04]

kormoc:

Mmm... Warm...

[22:07:04]

iamlindoro:

This reminds me of a little parable. Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

[22:07:07]

wagnerrp:

in college in the dorms, the fire alarm was right outside my door

[22:07:24]

wagnerrp:

and i still managed to sleep through many-a-false-alarm

[22:07:42]

jblack:

I hope that some day I fall asleep while watching a movie, then spontaneously combust.

[22:08:19]

wagnerrp:

some days, i hope you spontaneously combust too...

[22:08:38]

kormoc:

some days, I wish the Earth would spontaneously combust...

[22:08:58]

jblack:

most days, I wish the Earth would sponaneously combust.

[22:09:31]

jblack:

uh. sorry. /me sits in the corner for five minutes

[22:09:36]

sphery:

forrestv: sounds like a problem with your color key or--if you mean crackly noises/prebuffering pauses in dark scenes--you need to enable extra audio buffering

[22:10:05]

gbee:

took me a year to figure out that one

[22:19:34]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, perhaps when iamlindoro's patch gets committed ( #5796 ), it will help others to find it more easily. :)

[22:20:14]

iamlindoro:

patch suggested entirely by sphery, I wouldn't know extra audio buffering from a hole in the wall

[22:20:36]

sphery:

still, you get credit for taking the time to make it/submit it.

[22:21:04]

clever:

allmost got my usb stick to boot

[22:21:16]

clever:

i got lazy and reused the kernel&initrd&pxelinux from my nfsroot

[22:21:21]

** iamlindoro shrugs, kicks a pebble **

[22:21:27]

clever:

the initrd then followed its config and booted from nfs!

[22:22:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I find there's never a pebble around when I need one. Perhaps I should start carrying one for just that type of situation.

[22:23:38]

clever:

ummm, my Xorg disapeared again

[22:23:44]

clever:

without shuting the card down properly

[22:24:21]

iamlindoro:

hehe

[22:24:48]

clever:

the system is still 'up' since the serial console works fine

[22:25:17]

iamlindoro:

Oh, so it turns out most of the stuff that is giving VDPAU trouble is the stuff included in MKVs. Imagine that, material produced expressly for piracy in some guy's basement with a minimal knowledge of encoding parameters is somehow non-standard

[22:25:23]

sphery:

I watched a Criminal Minds episode about a serial console last night.

[22:25:38]

sphery:

Er, wait. Maybe that was serial something else...

[22:25:45]

iamlindoro:

At least, that's my anecdotal understanding from the various forum posts w/ errors

[22:26:08]

sphery:

that's funny

[22:26:21]

sphery:

I would actually love it if they did that on purpose.

[22:26:23]

clever:

while text mode is totaly screwed, i can blindly ctrl+alt+f1 and just 'startx'

[22:26:27]

iamlindoro:

Me too

[22:27:59]

iamlindoro:

I haven't managed to confuse it with anything straight from disk yet, and it seems to like HD-PVR output, so that's all I've got to throw at it

[22:28:38]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, Ohh, you got one of the dell studios? Are you using it as a BE with the hdprv?

[22:29:10]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I got one of them, but I'm only using it as a frontend-- plays the HD-PVR content pretty well, though so long as it's set to VBR

[22:29:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm impressed it's handling HD-PVR output so well. From others' talking it sounds like that's a challenge/not necessarily pretty output.

[22:29:35]

iamlindoro:

CBR above 10–11 Mbit seems to give it heartburn, but I can mostly max out bitrate on VBR at it's fine

[22:29:45]

** kormoc nods **

[22:30:03]

sphery:

(in mine, it = VDPAU)

[22:30:18]

kormoc:

my evil plan is a studio + hdpvr + usb disk drives == slick backend

[22:30:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I have a feeling the nvidia h.264 handling is totally divorced from how many slices there are, it just seems to chew it up and spit it out

[22:31:48]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, Yeah, I've been really happy with it-- occasionally will get a bit ponderous if there's a lot going on (right now I've got VMWare running w/ AnyDVD going, a few terminals, and some file moves across the network) and it's ok, but I'm not sure how much TV playback it would be able to manage at this exact moment

[22:32:51]

iamlindoro:

I don't think it'd have any trouble as a backend

[22:33:37]

kormoc:

I was mainly wondering as if I went with usb drives + hdpvr, that's putting a rather large load on the usb, and I know some of the laptop chips have issues with tons of usb traffic

[22:33:47]

sphery:

So, no need to slice your H.264 for NVIDIA, it takes big bites...

[22:34:38]

gbee:

just keep your hands clear

[22:34:47]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I have had some raised eyebrows moments in the past few days where it seemed to get confused if I tried to pull from multiple external USB enclosures at once, but I think it might have been my fault/the fault of USB passthrough to VMWare

[22:35:06]

** directhex listens to an acid jazz remix of the chrono trigger soundtrack **

[22:35:13]

sphery:

I hope I learned my lesson this time... Someone mentioned an issue on the list that I had planned to look into, and I responded saying I'll fix it (thinking it would be a quick fix). Turns out it's much more work than I planned (especially the testing thanks to our plethora of options).

[22:35:50]

sphery:

And it doesn't help that it's broken in -fixes and the code in trunk has changed pretty significantly since...

[22:35:55]

gbee:

I still haven't learnt :(

[22:36:07]

iamlindoro:

directhex, Yay chrono trigger remake, boo chrono trigger remake on DS

[22:36:45]

directhex:

iamlindoro, this is squaresoft, of all people

[22:36:51]

directhex:

iamlindoro, also, hardly a remake :/

[22:36:54]

directhex:

more a straight port

[22:37:00]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, if anyone mentions an issue within IRC-shot of you, you volunteer to fix it.

[22:37:04]

iamlindoro:

They've been less fun since they became Squeeeeeenix

[22:37:41]

kormoc:

gbee, so I have a issue with my bank account balance. It's a tad low. Wanna provide a patch? Kthxbai!

[22:37:54]

sphery:

wasn't Squeenix the guy on Laverne & Shirley

[22:38:08]

gbee:

:p

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sphery:

I need a faster dev box. The 2-minute timeout I'm testing takes forever...

[22:41:25]

gbee:

heh

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directhex:

iamlindoro, you'll forgive me if i'm not as upset about the DS as i could be – remember that to date, chrono trigger has never been sold in europe in any way shape or fomr

[22:45:54]

directhex:

and iirc it choked on universal adapters for SNES

[22:49:05]

jpabq:

A lot of people are hailing the new nVidia 9300/9400 chipset motherboards as being the *current* ultimate HTPC motherboard. The Asus (9300) has been well received, but some people have had problems with the northbridge overheating (solved by use of better thermal paste or with a new northbridge heatsink). The Gigabyte board is due out within the next two weeks and is supposed to have the 9400 (faster default clock) chip. Don't

[22:49:05]

jpabq:

know if that means the Gigabyte will have even more of an over heat problem or not.

[22:49:59]

sphery:

I've had a /lot/ of Asus boards whose chipset fans failed within a month of buying

[22:50:29]

jpabq:

Model numbers: Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H and the ASUS P5N7A-VM

[22:50:50]

sphery:

Their customer service is good, though. They'll send you a new fan promptly and it's always been better quality than the original.

[22:50:51]

jpabq:

Both boards are shipped with fanless northbridge heatsinks

[22:51:21]

sphery:

in that case, the fan is probably not the problem :)

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** janneg avoids motherboards and graphic cards with fans **

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** directhex avoids mobos with fans, but can deal on a gpu **

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directhex:

if not in a hpc

[22:51:47]

directhex:

htpc

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sphery:

I have a mobo whose chipset fan failed, but the fan they used was /identical/ to the CPU fan from an old 486 system I had. So, now that mobo is running with a 486 CPU fan that I bought in 1999.

[22:53:13]

jpabq:

DFI also has a 9400 based motherboard which is supposed to ship soon: LANParty JR GF9400-T2RS

[22:53:29]

sphery:

Just proves how much technology has progressed... Chipsets now take the same fans as CPU's used to.

[22:53:54]

Lynet:

What I find scary is Atom motherboards with just a tiny passive heatsink on the CPU but a larger heatsink+fan on the mobo chipset.

[22:54:45]

iamlindoro:

directhex, Ah, that's good then I guess-- Have made it run well in emu, personally

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jpabq:

Lynet, yeah, the CPU is far more efficient than the chipset they are using with it!

[22:55:06]

directhex:

iamlindoro, not that ROMs are legal......

[22:55:12]

Lynet:

Is like putting a super fuel efficient small engine in a huge heavy SUV.

[22:55:26]

iamlindoro:

directhex, is possession illegal over there?

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directhex:

iamlindoro, probably

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sphery:

Was just looking to see if the 9400 would really be better than a 9300 and noticed in the announcement, "VC-1 support in NVIDIA's VDPAU implementation currently requires GeForce 9300 GS, GeForce 9200M GS, GeForce 9300M GS, or GeForce 9300M GS."

[22:56:13]

directhex:

iamlindoro, every PS compilation with CT on it has been gimped for europe

[22:56:21]

sphery:

Guess both GeForce 9300M GS's are supported... :)

[22:56:43]

Lynet:

Is doubly supported, then.

[22:56:51]

sphery:

guess that's the one to buy

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sphery:

Anyway, for motherboard GPU's, they said just, "GeForce 9300", so I don't know if that means that what's on the ASUS is a 9300 GS or...

[22:58:45]

jpabq:

The BIOS for the 9300/9400 chipsets don't support CAS4 memory timings, but that is supposed to be fixed "real soon".

[22:59:59]

jpabq:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3432&p=8

[23:00:50]

iamlindoro:

Important to keep in mind the minute amount of VC1 on disks, don't let that make or break your purchase

[23:00:58]

** clever installs the nvidia 180 driver! **

[23:01:06]

iamlindoro:

There's lots on HD-DVD, but out of about 50 Blu-rays I only have two with VC1 video

[23:01:13]

gbee:

Atom's a bit of a joke for that reason, CPU draws something like 6w, north bridge 25w ... AMD's Atom challanger draws 13w? (or is it lower) and of course has the northbridge on board

[23:01:29]

iamlindoro:

and I think it's because those were released simultaneously on Hd-DVD so they were probably mastered together

[23:01:58]

directhex:

gbee, amd are skipping the netbook market, so i don't think they have anything i'd call an "atom challenger"

[23:03:14]

gbee:

directhex: from what I was reading just a couple of days ago they've changed their tune

[23:03:36]

gbee:

but we'll see :)

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[23:05:12]

Led-Hed_:

anyone here have sound working on a Realtek ALC889a?

[23:05:18]

sphery:

directhex: No they're not. They're using an old CPU on new process tech for now and are working new designs. Funny thing is that the old CPU cleans the floor with Atom for overall performance though it takes more power--but as gbee said, you more than make up for it with the chipset.

[23:05:53]

sphery:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . er-due-today and http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . md-platforms

[23:06:37]

sphery:

qfx: he says it's lots of work. :)

[23:07:04]

qfx:

Yah, it is;)

[23:07:19]

qfx:

sphery, how'd you know I was in this channel?

[23:07:24]

gbee:

speculation was that the "netbooks aren't for us" line was just misdirection, but they could also have misjudged, don't suppose it matters at the end of the day

[23:07:29]

** sphery has his sources... **

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sphery:

qfx: I just used tab autocomplete and it said you were here. I'm also guessing you're talking about his iPod Touch work on MythWeb, right? http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/3028276643/

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dashcloud:

iamlindoro: if you're looking to find a bigger collection of HD clips to test and (possibly) crash the card, check out the MPlayer samples archive- the HDTV folder in addition to any others you check

[23:09:56]

qfx:

sphery, Yah, I wrote the page on the mythwiki for streaming from the old version, his will obviously be better!

[23:10:13]

sphery:

gbee: or maybe netbooks weren't for AMD but they /are/ for the Abu Dhabi(sp?)-ians

[23:10:15]

iamlindoro:

dashcloud, AFAIK all my current samples are as or more taxing than anything there

[23:10:16]

kormoc:

qfx, http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/tags/ipod/

[23:10:25]

iamlindoro:

dashcloud, could be wrong, though, I'll check it out

[23:10:49]

kormoc:

qfx, it's working out fairly well :)

[23:11:26]

kormoc:

qfx, gonna finish up adding stuff to the UI and then will add in the streaming, although, I'm fairly sure right now that on-demand streaming isn't gonna work out anytime soon

[23:11:30]

sphery:

kormoc: when are you getting your Openmoko FreeRunner so you can fix it up for that platform? :)

[23:11:37]

** kormoc laughs **

[23:11:59]

sphery:

(actually, if you don't have one, you probably don't want one as most consider them toys at this point)

[23:12:20]

kormoc:

sphery, yeah, the only real place I know of that uses them for real is the FSF

[23:12:53]

iamlindoro:

dashcloud, My personal aim is to see if the stuff I generate/rip (all Profile 4.1 h.264 and similar, plus HD-PVR) will cause problems, but it looks like that stuff is well in hand-- I'm gleaning that samples that give it fits seem to come from more.. erm... "questionable" sources :)

[23:13:02]

rhpot1991_laptop:

anyone using blu-ray with their mythboxes, just looking for some impressions on if its worth it or not currently?

[23:13:15]

sphery:

Yeah. I have one, but don't use it as a phone. Really, I haven't made enough time to even use it as a toy--and I definitely haven't made enought time to develop anything for it.

[23:14:11]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, Depends on your standard of "worth it." If worth it = ripping it to disk using AnyDVD HD on Windows or in a VM, and playing it using Myth trunk, then yes, it's very worth it. If you want to play off the disk or use a released version, then it'll be a bit yet

[23:14:53]

qfx:

kormoc, Wow! Great progress, that's looking awesome. So you're actually doing an app rather than a web frontend?

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kormoc:

qfx, nope, that's mythweb, just using a ipod template and ipod skin

[23:15:45]

sphery:

iamlindoro: And even the ripping it may involve some waiting "for the stars to align," too, right? (I.e. until conditions are right to allow you to be able to rip it.)

[23:16:15]

iamlindoro:

sphery, rhpot1991_laptop: sphery is correct, when new BD+ schemes are rolled out it takes a bit before SlySoft has it broken

[23:16:27]

iamlindoro:

eg this week's release of Firefly

[23:16:29]

qfx:

kormoc, ah! It looked like screenies from the simulator? I guess you can do that on a webcontrol anyhow.... I was going to offer my lack of Objective C experience

[23:16:53]

kormoc:

qfx, Aye, it's easier to screen shot the ipod simulator then my physical ipod :P

[23:17:25]

rhpot1991_laptop:

thanks sphery iamlindoro

[23:17:42]

kormoc:

but yeah, the simulator comes with safari, which works great for testing the skin/template

[23:18:06]

gbee:

kormoc: ooh, competition

[23:18:25]

gbee:

going to create a mythui theme next? :)

[23:18:31]

qfx:

kormoc, point taken! Anyhow, still happy to test/try it out.

[23:18:55]

kormoc:

gbee, erm... Sure! Someday! Perhaps! Maybe! We'll see!

[23:19:18]

dashcloud:

iamlindoro: no- the HDTV section is from hdtv broadcast sources- avoid the evob folder if you want to avoid "questionable" sources

[23:19:21]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, to put a positive spin on what may have dissuaded you, though, Myth's internal player plays Bluray movies *extremely* well in the dev version, including HD audio formats, etc. Just need to find your own way to get the material in there. Come .22 if you can get the material (using AnyDVD HD, most likely) then Myth will happily play it for you

[23:19:41]

kormoc:

qfx, I'm hoping to have something checked in tomorrow night, I'm only planning on getting basic tv stuff working and I'm hoping people will submit patches for the test, if not, I'll keep poking at it

[23:20:31]

iamlindoro:

dashcloud, Yeah, most of my testing is my own rips from Blu-ray/HD-DVD/recordings from HD-PVR, so should be more or less similar. I figure if it doesn't blink at 40ish Mbit h.264 then this is going to turn out quite nicely in the end :)

[23:20:42]

qfx:

kormoc, might there be remidial instructions? (I imagine it's just a subset of pages to check out of SVN, but there must be some backend work for the transcoding?)

[23:21:01]

iamlindoro:

dashcloud, Had 40 Mbit h.264/1080p playing in 1–3% CPU yesterday :)

[23:21:01]

qfx:

kormoc, I'll check in with you in the next couple of days and give it a shot

[23:21:08]

kormoc:

Sounds good

[23:21:33]

kormoc:

the backend stuff will likely be a user job recommended imho, and we'll ship something in contrib as the job master

[23:21:50]

forrestv:

sphery, color key? i don't mean noises

[23:22:44]

kormoc:

I tried faking MOOV stuff and all that jazz and only managed to crash the ipod, so someone smarter then I will need to fix that up liekly

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iamlindoro:

Amusing fact about the Transformers HD-DVD.. it comes with an instruction booklet whose first instruction is "Hook your HD-DVD player up to an ethernet cable with internet access."

[23:23:05]

sphery:

forrestv: what do you mean by "weird patterns in black areas"? Are you talking about desktop stuff showing "through" the video or random garbage or ????

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[23:23:24]

iamlindoro:

or macroblocking....?

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gbee:

screenshot!

[23:23:48]

sphery:

or picture from a digital camera

[23:24:09]

gbee:

or artists impression

[23:24:10]

iamlindoro:

Or a sharply worded criticism of our various elitist attitudes

[23:24:12]

iamlindoro:

we like those

[23:24:26]

kormoc:

I like chalk outlines!

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clever:

lol!, i tried to start X with nvidia 180, xinit isnt installed

[23:27:38]

clever:

damn is this system ever bare bones

[23:29:16]

rhpot1991_laptop:

iamlindoro: ya I'm contemplating if I want to get a bdrom or hdpvr or just wait on them

[23:29:38]

rhpot1991_laptop:

giftmas coming up and all :)

[23:29:39]

clever:

i just noticed, ive got so much ram i could store the entire / in there

[23:29:59]

clever:

massive speed increase

[23:30:33]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, That'll have to be up to you I guess... I personally am very happy with it, but I never use the physical media so it works with my tastes, I don't mind getting a new movie and dropping it in and it being a few hours before I can watch it-- because then it's in MythVideo and I can watch it any time

[23:31:00]

iamlindoro:

Make no mistake, the VMWare + AnyDVD HD route is a bit of a pain in the booty, but not so painful as all that

[23:31:25]

rhpot1991_laptop:

iamlindoro: thats how my current dvd operation works, I just dunno if I want to run .22 now

[23:31:33]

sphery:

Hmmm... He asked his question, then responded to the responses 1hr 33min later. I don't think I'll be around in another 1hr 25min when he responds to our last round of questions.

[23:31:41]

rhpot1991_laptop:

can you tell it to use mplayer or vlc and not run .22?

[23:31:49]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, It shouldn't be all *that* far off... if you get a drive for Christmas you might not have all that long to wait

[23:32:10]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, Internal is much MUCH more capable than either of those when it comes to BD/HDDVD

[23:32:11]

clever:

what is a light weight window manager i can use for frontend type things?

[23:32:20]

sphery:

rhpot1991_laptop: would work for MythVideo stuff

[23:32:27]

sphery:

clever: RatPoison

[23:32:41]

sphery:

clever: Oh, and I don't mean that D-Con stuff you find at supermarkets

[23:32:52]

clever:

sphery: its not in the ubuntu repo:(

[23:33:05]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, you *can* make it work with recent mplayer, but using internal is sooooo much nicer because instead of going through arcane command line incantations to try to figure out which demuxer/audio codec/track to use for each movie, you just start it, open up the menu, choose your audio track, and you're done

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rhpot1991_laptop:

iamlindoro: neat, maybe I'll push that we do a .22 mythbuntu ppa then

[23:34:03]

rhpot1991_laptop:

there have been a lot of requests for one for the hdpvr anyways

[23:34:11]

clever:

ugh, i cant work with the brain dead version of vi

[23:34:17]

sphery:

clever: it's simple to build--may also be deb stuff for it

[23:34:39]

sphery:

I'll bet your brain-dead version of vi is very vi like (i.e. is nothing like vim)

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clever:

sphery: i dont have any functioning gui right now so downloading would be tricky:P

[23:34:59]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, yeah, I had been doing the patched mplayer/ffmpeg route for almost a year, and when the latest ffmpeg sync happened in myth it was a major breath of fresh air

[23:35:11]

clever:

id have to go to another system and even then, theres not much of a way to push files between them atm

[23:35:45]

sphery:

clever: http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/ratpoison . . . 1.4.3.tar.gz http://download.savannah.gnu.org/releases/rat . . . 3.tar.gz.sig

[23:35:58]

sphery:

curl/wget

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clever:

sphery: i also dont even have gpm installed so i cant copy/paste urls!

[23:36:12]

sphery:

that's not that hard to type...

[23:36:22]

iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, Although I am still of a mind that anyone who can't compile trunk themselves in order to use the HD-PVR probably ought to wait until .22 drops

[23:36:27]

clever:

hold on while i get gpm

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, And I'm not saying that of *you*, just saying taht of people requesting trunk packages

[23:37:04]

clever:

sphery: ahhh nvm, its in the universe repo!

[23:37:44]

rhpot1991_laptop:

iamlindoro: I see your point, doesn't hurt to start working ahead though

[23:38:01]

clever:

sphery: now im lost:P, wheres the xterm button!

[23:38:23]

sphery:

clever: welcome to *nix .

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, If you did set up a public PPA for trunk w/ HD-PVR, it might be of value to also apply John Poet's latest patches which are still in a ticket, they incorporate janne's patches to use AC3 on the HD-PVR and some crash prevention

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clever:

sphery: im used to gnome-panel :P

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clever:

arg!!!, not even man is installed :P

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sphery:

yeah, Windows start bar, right?

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clever:

sphery: i have manualy started X before without xinit

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clever:

but i allways used metacity for the wm

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sphery:

yeah, I'm just giving you a hard time. I hate WM's with "start bars" and icons on the desktop and such

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clever:

ratpoison shure fits you then:P

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clever:

ahh it looks more like screen when i check the man page

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clever:

ctrl+t then c!

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sphery:

clever: it /was/ modelled after screen

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clever:

cant alt+tab

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** clever crys! **

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clever:

ahh just like screen

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clever:

there, got irc up in all its res!

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rhpot1991_laptop:

thanks iamlindoro, looks like we will talk about it tomorrow

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clever:

its hard to resist the urge to hit a when i try to use the control key

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sphery:

clever: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . _only_box.3F with links to posts with memory usage (300kB private/writable for RatPoison)

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clever:

its become so automatic

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clever:

sphery: again, i have practicaly nothing installed so i cant open urls

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iamlindoro:

rhpot1991_laptop, np

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clever:

but i can atleast copy/paste to a private room now:)

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clever:

now to try out all the beta glory of the driver!

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clever:

perfect!, nvidia's patch to mplayer is idiot proof :P

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clever:

and i still have 400mb of ram free

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** clever drools **

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Lynet:

clever: So it works then?

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clever:

Lynet: the beta driver works for basic X11 work, i dont have mplayer yet

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clever:

but i glanced at the script and it does everything for you, checkout,configure,compile/patch.....

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clever:

waiting for svn to install

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whoever:

hi all i am trying to set up a hauppaug 1600 on arch I have installed v4l-dvb w/ PKGBUIL and i have cx18 firmware but when i try to add my card i get "cannot open to probe for inputs"

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** clever prays that 300mb will hold a mplayer build **

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iamlindoro:

it'll be 150 or so

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iamlindoro:

151M ./mplayer-vdpau

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clever:

good:)

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clever:

core2duo should make short work of this

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jduggan:

its never as short as you imagine =o

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clever:

i basicaly made a / with debootstrap set to ubuntu 8.10 then installed a kernel thru chroot

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clever:

that was enough to boot the thing(using an existing pxelinux as a bootloader)

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clever:

the entire / is on a ~1gig partition on a 2gig usb stick

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clever:

with special care that the cell can still read the fat16 half

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Dibblah:

Odd. I just did similar.

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Dibblah:

You'll get issues with locale data.

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clever:

apt's perl scripts allways spew locate errors when im on a bare install

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clever:

i dont even have a properly set fstab

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clever:

and damn is it compiling fast

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clever:

xterm is just stuck scrolling away :P

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Dibblah:

You need language-pack-en-base

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Dibblah:

apt-get install language-pack-en-base

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clever:

for which part to work?

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Dibblah:

locale. Not locate.

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clever:

yeah i allways make that typo

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Dibblah:

That's what's causing your errors with perl.

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Dibblah:

You'll also need to set your timezone, probably.

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clever:

sweet, vertial screen spilling!

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clever:

one of the few things screen cant do

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clever:

splitting*

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clever:

i just have to be carefull when i go arround yelling I LIKE RAT POISON :P

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troldrik:

Possibly ABP, but http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1

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Dibblah:

Apart from that, it was a surprisingly easy netboot install.

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Dibblah:

troldrik: We know.

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Dibblah:

API is released, mplayer patches promised.

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clever:

Dibblah: i did this on a SD chip, but used the same ideas i learned from my netboot

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troldrik:

Dibblah: mplayer patches are up

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Dibblah:

I like Evil.

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Dibblah:

As in evilwm.

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Dibblah:

Eh?

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troldrik:

Ah, any patches for mythtv yet? Before I start on one?

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clever:

iamlindoro: link errors!

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Dibblah:

"We will try to propose patches to the mplayer developers, soon. We will also break the patches up into logical pieces, so that it isn't just one large unwieldy patch to review."

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clever:

allcodecs.c:(.text+0x239): undefined reference to `h264_vdpau_decoder'

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Dibblah:

So, no the patches aren't up.

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iamlindoro:

Dibblah, yes, they are

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iamlindoro:

and have been for a full day

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iamlindoro:

or I wrote the ones that made it work for me in a blackout, that happens sometimes

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clever:

iamlindoro: did you see that error any?

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iamlindoro:

clever, nope, built fine for me

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clever:

its the curse!

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clever:

i broke a fresh install :P

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Dibblah:

troldrik: I'd give it a couple of days.

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