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| [00:00:00] | clever: | also spewing line numbers for perl is totaly useless |
| [00:00:05] | clever: | it doesnt need \n |
| [00:00:18] | clever: | you can do it in 3 lines |
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| [00:00:36] | clever: | if you manualy did all preprocessing, you could do any c++ code with 1 line |
| [00:00:49] | sphery: | but if you classify a line as a statement (i.e. terminated with ';'), it's still an appropriate (if meaningless) measure |
| [00:01:05] | clever: | this is why i give byte counts in this script:P |
| [00:01:07] | clever: | i have a total of 3901 lines(146.15KB) of code in my remote section and a average of 205.315789 lines(7.69KB) in the 19 files |
| [00:01:18] | sphery: | don't know how to handle conditionals, especially with else's and all... |
| [00:01:55] | sphery: | Remote section? You mean for remote control? That's a very large channel change script. |
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| [00:02:18] | clever: | sphery: no i mean the 'remote' section in mirc's horid script manager |
| [00:02:20] | ** iamlindoro assassinates Xorg, jumps to the stage and shouts "Sic semper tyrannus!" ** | |
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| [00:02:28] | Kazan: | anyone here from seattle? |
| [00:02:30] | sphery: | oh, don't know mirc |
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| [00:02:48] | sphery: | Kazan: I saw the movie about the guy who couldn't sleep there. |
| [00:02:50] | clever: | sphery: even the most simple script eats cpu for 10 seconds solid if it has any processing to do |
| [00:03:05] | clever: | sphery: and the whole bastard is single threaded, so the ui and irc lock up and can even ping timeout |
| [00:03:09] | Kazan: | sphery: funny |
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| [00:03:32] | sphery: | clever: sounds like a job for irssi :) |
| [00:03:33] | ** iamlindoro feels much better now ** | |
| [00:03:48] | clever: | sphery: irssi cant easily handle sockets in nonblocking modes, and again its single threaded |
| [00:04:07] | clever: | and half the crap is bearly irc related anymore |
| [00:04:18] | clever: | im rewriting parts in Qt |
| [00:04:23] | sphery: | wow... Physical SLOC typically includes comments and blank lines... |
| [00:04:49] | clever: | ? |
| [00:04:53] | ** sphery wants to get paid by the physical SLOC. ** | |
| [00:04:56] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lines_of_code |
| [00:05:01] | clever: | lol |
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| [00:05:28] | clever: | if you get paid by lines, youll love wraping lines to fit the 80 character wide terminals nobody has anymore:P |
| [00:05:52] | sphery: | I have 9 80-character-wide terminal on each desktop where I do programming |
| [00:06:07] | clever: | i generaly maximize my xterm windows |
| [00:06:20] | clever: | the irssi window is currently 170x22 |
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| [00:06:29] | clever: | (screen cut the V in half for another tab) |
| [00:06:40] | sphery: | My code always wraps at 78 columns or less (though may go to 80 or just over for the occasional line of code in other people's open-source projects, according to local convention) |
| [00:07:02] | clever: | i have an actual 80 column terminal downstairs |
| [00:07:05] | clever: | green&black |
| [00:07:08] | sphery: | my not maximizing windows may explain why I don't need an X :0.0 and :0.1 ;) |
| [00:07:09] | clever: | serial |
| [00:07:31] | sphery: | nice, haven't seen one of those in a long time |
| [00:07:33] | clever: | i cant realy fit 4 xterm's on my laptop with them at the default size without alot of overlap |
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| [00:07:56] | clever: | but the other week i was playing a low res video on my dads laptop(horidly low res vid, insanely high res display) |
| [00:08:09] | clever: | and i commented to myself that i could fit 4 of those windows on screen |
| [00:08:21] | sphery: | Oh, my irssi window is 160x40--otherwise, all terms are 80x24 |
| [00:08:24] | clever: | then i did just that, 4 mplayer windows on the same file all PLAYING at once! |
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| [00:08:43] | clever: | and the cpu was still bearly even under any load |
| [00:09:17] | clever: | then using the [] (play speed) keys in mplayer, i was able to fine tune the sync between windows so it was down to a minor echo in the audio |
| [00:09:42] | sphery: | you would love the PbP mode Myth has... On a widescreen display, you can use it to fix 2 4:3 programs side-by-side (picture by picture) |
| [00:09:57] | sphery: | may be only in mythtv-vid (as I don't use it) |
| [00:10:16] | clever: | PnP only works if you can capture 2 programs at once |
| [00:10:26] | clever: | i normaly only have 1 card online |
| [00:10:33] | sphery: | pretty sure Myth can use recordings |
| [00:10:41] | iamlindoro: | And not when, like clever, you have to run to the power pole in your superman undies to switch the connection |
| [00:10:43] | sphery: | (again, may only be mythtv-vid currently) |
| [00:10:43] | clever: | and its just so much simpler to watch 1 file at a time and fastfowrard the comercials |
| [00:11:13] | sphery: | I agree--when watching a TV show, watching /and listening/ to it is the way to go |
| [00:11:18] | sphery: | then just watch the other |
| [00:11:20] | clever: | the only time ive wanted PnP was when watching real livetv, and fliping between 2 shows |
| [00:11:31] | clever: | to see when the comerercial on the high prio show was over |
| [00:11:37] | sphery: | I now want it just to show to friends who think it's a cool thing |
| [00:11:42] | iamlindoro: | PbP would be cool for comparing an HD and Sd source |
| [00:12:07] | clever: | ive done similar to compare a show that was being dub'ed |
| [00:12:19] | clever: | i played the sub'ed version on the laptop in perfect sync with the live one on tv |
| [00:12:35] | iamlindoro: | fun also for election or major event news coverage |
| [00:12:35] | clever: | was easy to see the scenes they cut out because it screwed with the sync |
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| [00:12:46] | sphery: | Could also do PaP (Picture above Picture) and PuP (Picture under Picture) for letterboxed content |
| [00:13:14] | iamlindoro: | Would have been nice to watch CNN/MSNBC/etc. and swap audio channels around for th election |
| [00:13:14] | clever: | i have so many tv's that its just simpler to throw a 2nd one onto a table nearby :P |
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| [00:13:44] | clever: | there are 6 tv's in the house currently, 4 of them are connected |
| [00:13:50] | sphery: | weird... That wikipedia link I gave was for Lines_of_code and said, "Redirected from Lines of code", but I searched on SLOC |
| [00:13:50] | clever: | 2 people living here(counting me) |
| [00:13:57] | iamlindoro: | How many non-functional. |
| [00:14:00] | iamlindoro: | ? |
| [00:14:08] | clever: | iamlindoro: all 6 in the house are fully functional |
| [00:14:24] | sphery: | lmao |
| [00:14:32] | clever: | but 2 of them arent plugged in |
| [00:14:34] | iamlindoro: | Wow, I'm... shocked! |
| [00:14:50] | sphery: | perhaps I misread that conversation... |
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| [00:14:58] | clever: | theres a massive RCA tv, the remote decoder cant handle numbers |
| [00:15:04] | clever: | you can only go channel up or channel down |
| [00:15:15] | clever: | no way to enter the number on the tv or remote |
| [00:15:46] | clever: | the current channel is displayed with a red led display in the top corner |
| [00:15:54] | clever: | (no osd support at all) |
| [00:16:46] | clever: | then the old emerson tv that we have had for years |
| [00:16:47] | clever: | those are the 2 that are not connected |
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| [00:17:41] | clever: | and my frontend crashed again! |
| [00:17:56] | clever: | 2008-11–13 20:16:08.197 Reconnection to backend server failed |
| [00:17:58] | clever: | 2008-11–13 20:15:38.180 MythSocket(a94fc290:20): writeStringList: Error, invalid string list. |
| [00:18:02] | clever: | 2008-11–13 20:16:08.183 MythSocket(a94fc290:20): readStringList: Error, timeout. |
| [00:18:28] | clever: | after doing the above errors, it shows an error msg and deadlocks(preventing the error from drawing or ever going away) |
| [00:19:46] | iamlindoro: | janneg, http://www.fecitfacta.com/novideo.m2ts — a blu-ray 10 MB sample, audio plays, video does not-- worked pre-ffmpeg sync. ok in ffplay, mplayer. Thought at first it was just VC1 video, but I found some that plays fine. |
| [00:19:54] | iamlindoro: | so wondering if maybe it's the TS parser |
| [00:21:42] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu/index.py/mythtv/Screenshot-43.png |
| [00:21:48] | clever: | so what could posibly cause this error? |
| [00:22:39] | ** clever wonders how iamlindoro will blame me for it today ** | |
| [00:22:41] | iamlindoro: | Don't know, so I'll take the answer and say your computer/your patches/you |
| [00:22:46] | iamlindoro: | the safe answer |
| [00:23:11] | clever: | proove it! |
| [00:23:41] | iamlindoro: | It's not my job to prove it's your fault, numbskull, it's your job to prove it's *not* |
| [00:23:45] | clever: | yes, the hardware was slow and caused the 'readStringList: Error, timeout.', thats no reason for the thing to deadlock |
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| [00:24:34] | janneg: | iamlindoro: the 300 sample is also vc1 and plays fine |
| [00:24:35] | clever: | this happens damn near every time the system slows down for a few minutes |
| [00:24:43] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Yeah, exactly |
| [00:24:54] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Audio will play fine on these movies, but no video |
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| [00:26:26] | iamlindoro: | janneg, http://rafb.net/p/iWXkKR28.html |
| [00:26:30] | iamlindoro: | log output with -v playback |
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| [00:27:05] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, it definitely sees the VC1 |
| [00:28:04] | janneg: | only suspecious bit I can see is "bitrate 0" |
| [00:31:26] | iamlindoro: | AFAICT VC1 in TS fails, works in PS (EVO) |
| [00:31:37] | iamlindoro: | close as I can come to a rule of thumb about it |
| [00:35:01] | iamlindoro: | Then of course there's Internal thinking Pirates of the Caribbean is 52000 minutes long :) |
| [00:35:36] | janneg: | it's a bad example since it starts in black. the strange thing is that the mythtv output looks like it is actually playng the sample fine but all frames black |
| [00:36:19] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Yeah, not a geat example, but the "Warner Brothers" logo should fade in |
| [00:37:35] | janneg: | yes, it only takes a couple of seconds |
| [00:39:53] | iamlindoro: | didn't want to bury you in gigantic samples :) |
| [00:40:50] | iamlindoro: | bad part about Blu-ray? Seeing which actresses have facial hair |
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| [00:44:44] | janneg: | problem seems to be the decoder, it never returns a picture |
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| [00:49:21] | janneg: | iamlindoro: no, it is an mythtv problem, it somehow thinks it should only play audio |
| [00:49:49] | iamlindoro: | janneg, On the plus side It's a very entertaining listen ;) |
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| [00:53:50] | ynn_: | I seemed to have lost the ability to watch livetv after upgrading to mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [00:53:54] | fuxxy: | So, now that my myth system is up and running again, How do I set up a remote frontend without wiping the DB? |
| [00:54:10] | ynn_: | maybe someone can help me get it working again? |
| [00:54:21] | iamlindoro: | You shouldn't need to touch the DB to add a remote frontend, just isntall the frontend and put in the DB IP and user/login info there |
| [00:54:23] | fuxxy: | ynn, do scheduled recordings work? |
| [00:54:45] | ynn_: | fuxxy: haven't scheduled any... |
| [00:55:07] | fuxxy: | ynn, can you tune channels using other tools besides myth? |
| [00:55:23] | ynn_: | yeah i could cat /dev/video0 and see video |
| [00:56:10] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, That's what I thought, But the guys in #gentoo-mythtv informed me that it was the action of me trying to connect a new fronteend and , as they so eloquently put it, the new frontend borked the DB. |
| [00:57:42] | iamlindoro: | can't even begin to imagine a scenario in which that would be true |
| [00:58:02] | iamlindoro: | unless you were in the DB manually dicking with it |
| [00:58:12] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I think I've fixed it but it shouldn't have worked before the ffmpeg sync |
| [00:58:42] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro, i did one command in the db, that was to allow remote access to the DB from remote systems. |
| [00:58:45] | iamlindoro: | janneg, hrm... I suppose I could be misremembering and have been using mplayer but I didn't think so... don't trust me |
| [00:59:32] | iamlindoro: | want me to test a patch? |
| [00:59:45] | fuxxy: | brb, dualboot. |
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| [01:01:24] | janneg: | iamlindoro: yes, works now. the ffmpeg shouldn't have made a difference but I might be missing something |
| [01:02:10] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I have been trying to use internal for everything possible for a long while, but it might have been a fluke |
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| [01:05:21] | sphery: | ???? "I have everything on my MBE in 1 Logical Volume ... Regardless, what I really need is a way to tell if the recording is on the SBE or the MBE machine." |
| [01:05:38] | sphery: | Sometimes interpreting the question is harder than explaining how Myth works. |
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| [01:07:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, If it wasn't for my horse, I would never have spent that year in college |
| [01:07:14] | sphery: | lol |
| [01:07:31] | iamlindoro: | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?ter . . . in%20college |
| [01:07:38] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you missed an obvious way to blame clever for the error: "because you're running unstable trunk" |
| [01:08:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery, It seems clever being clever is always the most obvious reason |
| [01:08:09] | clever: | sphery: ive been having this problem for months, id like to track it down and submit the patch:P |
| [01:08:12] | sphery: | clever: which, BTW, is almost definitely the cause of the problem--there are known issues in network code in trunk |
| [01:08:28] | sphery: | because of the not-yet-complete Qt4 port |
| [01:10:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Thanks for the ref... Makes more sense, now (or, really, still doesn't, but you get my drift). |
| [01:10:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yes ;) |
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| [01:11:08] | janneg: | iamlindoro: should be fixed |
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| [01:11:23] | directhex: | iamlindoro, left4dead demo. thoughts? |
| [01:11:41] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Thanks a ton-- if you keep putting words like "bluray" in commit logs, people are going to start getting all hot and bothered ;) |
| [01:11:50] | iamlindoro: | directhex, none, haven't played yet-- thoughts? |
| [01:12:05] | directhex: | iamlindoro, filled with zombies! |
| [01:12:28] | iamlindoro: | well... yeah :) |
| [01:13:42] | sphery: | I still can't believe Blu-Ray requires VC1 support... (Of course, only because HD-DVD made that mistake first, but still.) |
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| [01:13:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Most have dumped it |
| [01:14:21] | directhex: | sphery dislikes vc-1? |
| [01:14:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Only ones I know of with it are some early disks (Lethal Weapon 1 at 2 are the only quick ones I could find) |
| [01:14:41] | iamlindoro: | I just happen to own both movies :) |
| [01:14:58] | iamlindoro: | everyone seems to be pretty consistently using h.264 and AC3 or DTSHD ATM |
| [01:15:08] | iamlindoro: | with a few studios doing e-ac3 as well |
| [01:15:30] | iamlindoro: | but fox and disney are putting everything out h.264/DTS-HD ATM |
| [01:16:24] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Didn't even know about that file, gives me somewhere to start looking if I see anything like that again, thanks |
| [01:16:33] | wagnerrp: | so how much do you have to spend on stereo equipment to notice a difference between say, 448k AC3 and DTS or DTSHD? |
| [01:17:09] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I will quite honestly admit that I can't really tell the difference, 5.1 AC3 makes me perfectly happy |
| [01:17:17] | iamlindoro: | but maybe I don't have enough $ invested in stereo equipment :) |
| [01:17:33] | sphery: | I dislike http://www.mpegla.com/vc1/vc1-agreement.cfm and the "RAND" licensing of VC-1. (Notice how even the license page uses a MS PowerPoint presentation...) |
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| [01:18:28] | wagnerrp: | so you have no opinion of VC-1 as a codec, you just dislike it being produced by microsoft |
| [01:18:32] | iamlindoro: | Steve Jobs says "Blu ray is a bag of hurt" regarding licensing, wonder if that's specifically what he means |
| [01:18:43] | sphery: | I dislike the licensing terms. I don't care who made it. |
| [01:18:52] | iamlindoro: | It *was* a little silly of MS to basically go create their own h.264 |
| [01:18:52] | sphery: | But, yeah, no complaints about the CODEC itself. |
| [01:19:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: may also have been trying to knock Blu-Ray because "We still have no plans to ever support Blu-Ray on the XBox 360..." |
| [01:19:49] | janneg: | sphery: it's probably the whole bag of codec plus AACS and BD+ |
| [01:20:09] | sphery: | oops, I read Balmer where you said Jobs... nvm |
| [01:21:47] | directhex: | sphery, you know mpeg2 and h264 have icky licensing terms too, right? |
| [01:22:18] | directhex: | http://www.mpegla.com/avc/avc-agreement.cfm – in powerpoint ;) |
| [01:22:23] | directhex: | http://www.mpegla.com/m2/m2-agreement.cfm |
| [01:22:35] | sphery: | yep, but why add more formats just to spread the wealth/increase the costs for consumers |
| [01:22:55] | wagnerrp: | huh... mythtv has decided it doesnt want to record the office tonight |
| [01:23:02] | iamlindoro: | especially as VC1 and h.264 are pretty redundant in terms of goals/capability |
| [01:23:05] | wagnerrp: | instead waiting for a week and a half |
| [01:23:25] | sphery: | better override as the week and a half one will probably not air |
| [01:24:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: exactly... complete waste because of redundancy |
| [01:24:20] | wagnerrp: | i think its choosing to do it on a digital card |
| [01:24:54] | ** sphery wonders if wagnerrp set input priorities rather than properly define input connections in priority order... ** | |
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| [01:25:23] | wagnerrp: | sphery: correct, since i added my analog cards several years ago |
| [01:25:46] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 --look for, "If input priorities differ, shows may be postponed to a later time in order to record on the best input." |
| [01:26:04] | sphery: | delete all your input connections, then re-add them in order |
| [01:26:23] | sphery: | (or, my favorite, "Delete all video sources"...) |
| [01:27:02] | wagnerrp: | im fine with having to mess with things occasionally |
| [01:27:08] | sphery: | that, BTW, is why I refer a lot of people to ss12.6 with the addendum, "but you should really read all of section 12" |
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| [01:28:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Oh, right. I forgot we're not on the list where people think it's blasphemy that you have to tell Myth, "I'd rather record an extra minute onto the end of <really good show> to make sure I get it all even though doing so may mean possibly missing the beginning of <some OK show>. Myth should just know. Why can't the devs write it so it reads my mind." |
| [01:28:48] | directhex: | iamlindoro, did you ever play World of Goo? that's worth your time |
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| [01:30:46] | psychcf: | so, I'm having a problem with my myth setup... |
| [01:30:55] | psychcf: | the backend server says "Unknown socket closing" in the logs, |
| [01:31:01] | wagnerrp: | sphery: better get cracking on mythpsy... :P |
| [01:31:24] | psychcf: | and the frontend that I"m netbooting just stalls when it connects to the DB |
| [01:31:40] | psychcf: | I tried -v all, and it started spitting out upnp information when it hung |
| [01:32:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I'm sure the privacy protection people would be up in arms about computers reading users minds... After all, I don't want some computer knowing what I'm thinking every minute of every day. :) |
| [01:32:35] | iamlindoro: | directhex, not yet, will look-- planning on playing some more mirror's edge tonight, it's good fun if at times frustrating |
| [01:32:36] | wagnerrp: | but hasnt the googlesphere already implemented that? |
| [01:33:08] | sphery: | psychcf: sounds like either a problem with a firewall or router blocking connections (including, possibly multicast routing issues) |
| [01:33:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: but Google does no harm, so we can trust them ;) |
| [01:33:26] | psychcf: | hmm |
| [01:33:44] | sphery: | psychcf: how is your network layed out? |
| [01:33:53] | wagnerrp: | i for one welcome our ridiculously large numbered overlords |
| [01:33:57] | sphery: | are all myth boxes on the same network? single switch/router? |
| [01:34:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [01:34:24] | sphery: | or "large-numbered, but spelling challenged overlords" |
| [01:34:37] | directhex: | does myth allow for ipv6 ip addresses? ^_^ |
| [01:34:38] | sphery: | (Google != googol) |
| [01:34:39] | psychcf: | sphery: I've got my main backend hooked up to a wireless router, then that goes to a switch that I've got all the netboot frontends on |
| [01:35:41] | psychcf: | on the router upnp is enabled, dhcp is disabled, and I have the firewall disabled |
| [01:36:03] | psychcf: | that and NAT filtering is off |
| [01:37:18] | psychcf: | also, if I add a -p option to mythfrontend, no backends show up on the list |
| [01:37:36] | psychcf: | but I'm sure it's accessible, because I'm netbooting the frontends |
| [01:37:50] | psychcf: | and I've got the backend exposed as well |
| [01:38:47] | iamlindoro: | sounds like a relationship problem |
| [01:38:54] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [01:39:06] | psychcf: | heh |
| [01:39:50] | mzb_d800: | could indicate bad diet? (mexican beans can apparently expose your backend too;) |
| [01:40:06] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, wel played, sir |
| [01:40:09] | iamlindoro: | s/wel/well/ |
| [01:40:19] | ** mzb_d800 curtsies ** | |
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| [01:41:02] | sphery: | directhex: ipv6 addresses (and hostnames) should work in 0.22 |
| [01:41:27] | ** mzb_d800 changes his tutu for overalls ** | |
| [01:42:26] | sphery: | psychcf: do you have a firewall on any of the hosts (especially the DB host) that ignores/rejects ICMP ping requests? |
| [01:42:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, this will not stop people from using .local, however |
| [01:42:57] | clever: | iamlindoro: lol, i made my own .localnet domain for all the hostnames in the house |
| [01:43:03] | sphery: | what's .local? (can't really google it since they strip punctuation) |
| [01:43:14] | iamlindoro: | zeroconf |
| [01:43:14] | clever: | but i dont try to use the addresses in mythtv |
| [01:43:18] | sphery: | oh |
| [01:43:44] | clever: | ive centralized most of my ip config, the dhcp and bind files on the router now control nearly everything |
| [01:43:44] | psychcf: | sphery: nope, it's a clean mythbuntu install |
| [01:44:08] | clever: | by using the custom dns domain instead of ip, i have less editing in scripts when i change things |
| [01:45:18] | iamlindoro: | clever, I will never understand how you can come so dangerously close to doing something useful and sensible, only to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory |
| [01:45:41] | clever: | lol |
| [01:46:52] | iamlindoro: | It's almost like any ONE of the things you do would very nearly make sense... but you're like the obsessive compulsive washing the skin off his hands |
| [01:46:53] | sphery: | psychcf: can you start a frontend on the backend system? |
| [01:46:57] | iamlindoro: | you have to do MOAR |
| [01:47:14] | psychcf: | sphery: yes, that works flawlessly |
| [01:47:32] | sphery: | and do you have a ~/.mythtv/config.xml on that system? |
| [01:47:38] | psychcf: | umm |
| [01:47:47] | sphery: | If so, when you copy it to ~/.mythtv/config.xml on one of the netboot systems, what happens? |
| [01:47:54] | clever: | iamlindoro: i think im the oposite, i avoid soap at all costs:P |
| [01:48:08] | sphery: | "what happens" = proof positive that I'm just guessing here... |
| [01:48:13] | psychcf: | yes, I've got that... |
| [01:48:15] | iamlindoro: | clever, Why in God's name would that be something you think is cute? |
| [01:48:16] | psychcf: | let me try copying... |
| [01:48:32] | psychcf: | brb |
| [01:48:39] | ** LonEagle beats mythtv-setup for not actually trying to fetch channels from listings source when i hit the button ** | |
| [01:48:40] | iamlindoro: | cleanliness = actually a good thing, making one, ya know, less repulsive to others |
| [01:48:45] | clever: | iamlindoro: its the exact oposite of 'obsessive compulsive washing' |
| [01:49:06] | iamlindoro: | clever, your OC manifests in other ways |
| [01:49:18] | iamlindoro: | anyway, Mirror's Edge time |
| [01:49:28] | fuxxy: | I'm trying to set up a frontend-only system using ubuntu to connect to my gentoo frontend & backend. I've allowed access to the mysql db from remote connections, and set up the "database configuration" to point to the backend server. However, when I exit the configuration and restart the frontend, it complains about "cannot connect to backend server".. Did I miss something? |
| [01:49:37] | sphery: | psychcf: I have to admit I know nothing about the netboot configurations, so I don't know if the UPnP autodetection is something you have to get working (i.e. if you can't actually store config.xml to ~/.mythtv because the filesystem is wiped at every shutdown), but... |
| [01:49:57] | clever: | fuxxy: logs! |
| [01:50:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: tried Mirror's Edge demo and realized it's a game for younger, better gamers than I. |
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| [01:51:54] | sphery: | fuxxy: make sure you don't have localhost/127.0.0.1 specified anywhere in the configuration (i.e. on the master backend or the remote frontend). Also, run mythtv-setup on the remote frontend system and specify the DB connection /and/ backend IP info for the remote system (even if you don't run the backend on the remote frontend) |
| [01:52:59] | clever: | ummmm i have a 5gig and growing .nuv file |
| [01:53:20] | sphery: | runaway livetv? |
| [01:53:21] | clever: | and acording to my frontend, its not recording anything |
| [01:53:29] | clever: | and i havent touched livetv in months |
| [01:53:33] | fuxxy: | sphery, but I have to install a backend on this remote frontend box to get access to the mythtv-setup program. |
| [01:53:54] | sphery: | fuxxy: a complete install of mythtv--frontend and backend is the only supported config :) |
| [01:54:19] | clever: | sphery: and another wtf, the chanid and everything match up with a show that ends in 6mins |
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| [01:54:29] | clever: | yet acording to the color in the frontend, thats done recording |
| [01:54:38] | mib_3bv34v: | sphery: nothing different happened |
| [01:54:44] | mib_3bv34v: | err |
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| [01:54:48] | sphery: | besides, all of MythTV (frontend, backend, mythtv-setup, all but a couple of plugins, and >75MB of themes) is < 150MB on my systems. |
| [01:55:12] | sphery: | psychcf: so, it just stalled? |
| [01:55:21] | psychcf: | well, yeah |
| [01:55:23] | fuxxy: | sphery, I'm just scared to death I'm gonna end up wiping my mysql database again. |
| [01:55:42] | clever: | fuxxy: then backup the db! |
| [01:56:00] | fuxxy: | clever, done and done. Still scared though. |
| [01:56:08] | sphery: | psychcf: are you sure you have database privilages set properly--i.e. can you use the mysql command-line client to connect to the DB from the netbooting host? See, also, http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 |
| [01:56:39] | psychcf: | sphery: yup, that works |
| [01:57:06] | sphery: | clever: sounds like you have time zone/time issues |
| [01:57:27] | clever: | sphery: and i cant ssh into the backend that is causing the whole problem |
| [01:57:38] | clever: | and i cant have timezone problems anymore, its imposible |
| [01:57:40] | wagnerrp: | apparently Tops is going to offer Obama trading cards |
| [01:57:58] | clever: | if the timezones differ(even 2 citys in the same zone) the frontend refuses to start:P |
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| [01:58:11] | sphery: | fuxxy: you can use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore for getting a good backup (and, in the event of problems, for restoring) |
| [01:58:48] | sphery: | clever: true--at start :) Perhaps time skewed after startup? |
| [01:59:01] | clever: | sphery: cant tell, ssh wont let me in |
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| [01:59:29] | clever: | sphery: acording to the backend log the clock looks fine |
| [01:59:40] | sphery: | clever: but, thanks, at least for saying time zone problems are impossible, now. Most people distrust/blame my time zone code for all sorts of problems. :) |
| [01:59:46] | clever: | the last event is from 21:58:14 and 'date' says the local sys is 21:59:19 |
| [02:00:11] | sphery: | strange |
| [02:00:22] | clever: | umm, ive deleted the show and its still growing |
| [02:00:25] | clever: | 180mb free.... |
| [02:00:47] | fuxxy: | sphery, done and done, even backed up to my raid5 fileserver :) |
| [02:00:52] | clever: | power button time! |
| [02:01:31] | sphery: | psychcf: I think you may have mysql.txt files somewhere that are causing issues... Can you locate all the mysql.txt files on your system? (Ideally, you'll have exactly one at <install_prefix>/share/mythtv/mysql.txt , but IIRC, MythBuntu has others that get in the way of UPnP/autodetection working.) |
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| [02:01:52] | clever: | stoped it with 94mb to spare |
| [02:02:18] | psychcf: | hmm, alright |
| [02:02:43] | sphery: | yeah, deleting a file that's open doesn't really do anything on a real *nix system except hide it from directory listings. :) (Ideal for hosting your own content on someone else's web server.) |
| [02:02:54] | clever: | sphery: i properly deleted it from within the frontend |
| [02:03:02] | clever: | which usualy halts the recording and lets commflag kick in |
| [02:03:05] | sphery: | Oh, that should have stopped the recording... |
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| [02:03:14] | clever: | yes, it SHOULD have.... |
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| [02:04:15] | clever: | 2008-11–13 21:58:17.251 write -> 20 593 DELETE_RECORDING[]:[]Holmes on Homes[]:[]Kitchen Knockout[]:[]Mik... |
| [02:04:18] | clever: | 2008-11–13 21:58:17.316 write -> 20 593 FORGET_RECORDING[]:[]Holmes on Homes[]:[]Kitchen Knockout[]:[]Mik... |
| [02:04:25] | clever: | (frontend log) |
| [02:04:28] | psychcf: | sphery: in /usr/share/mythtv/mysql.txt the db server is set to localhost, but in ~/.mythtv it's set to 192.168.0.5 (my backend's IP) |
| [02:04:55] | sphery: | try rm ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:05:05] | sphery: | then try starting the frontend |
| [02:05:16] | clever: | 2008-11–13 21:58:18.155 write -> 43 51 BACKEND_MESSAGE[]:[]RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE[]:[]empty |
| [02:05:18] | psychcf: | wouldn't that be the same as doing mythfrontend -p? |
| [02:05:21] | clever: | master backend log... |
| [02:05:26] | sphery: | if that doesn't work, rm ~/.mythtv/{mysql.txt,config.xml} |
| [02:05:31] | sphery: | then start the frontend |
| [02:05:44] | psychcf: | k |
| [02:06:12] | clever: | sphery: it then starts a reschedule for the recordings...(while mythfilldb is going) |
| [02:06:16] | sphery: | psychcf: I don't know the exact path used by -p, but as it didn't seem to work for you... |
| [02:06:28] | sphery: | might as well try the approach I've used to fix connection problems. :) |
| [02:06:41] | psychcf: | still isn't changing :( |
| [02:07:09] | clever: | 2008-11–13 21:59:11.409 Scheduled 377 items in 27.1 = 0.01 match + 27.14 place |
| [02:07:34] | sphery: | don't know, then... I'd be back to guessing network issues. May have better luck with someone more *buntu-aware (perhaps in #ubuntu-mythtv) |
| [02:08:03] | clever: | sphery: dont see much abnormal stuff in the log... |
| [02:08:48] | clever: | but im starting to question if i should keep using the frame grabber without an STB |
| [02:08:49] | psychcf: | sphery: do you have any other ideas? |
| [02:09:10] | sphery: | clever: the FORGET_RECORDING probably made it start re-recording (i.e. because there was no other showing in the listings) |
| [02:09:33] | sphery: | psychcf: no, sorry |
| [02:09:34] | clever: | sphery: it dodnt restart, it just kept on doing what it was doing |
| [02:09:43] | psychcf: | sphery: alright, thanks anyway |
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| [02:09:49] | clever: | i suspect the extra load of mythfilldatabase slowed the reschedule down |
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| [02:10:02] | clever: | which delayed the STOP_RECORDING_YOU_IDIOT message |
| [02:10:05] | sphery: | but was recording to a different file, right--i.e. with a different start time |
| [02:10:23] | clever: | add in 90mb free and a panic'd user and the delays look like a droped message:P |
| [02:10:23] | sphery: | didn't you say there was a 187MB file after you deleted it? |
| [02:10:30] | clever: | it didnt switch files |
| [02:10:46] | clever: | it was ~180 when i went and hit the power button on the slave |
| [02:10:51] | sphery: | oh, the 187 or whatever was you mentioning free space... |
| [02:10:53] | clever: | it got down to 90 by the time i returned |
| [02:11:16] | sphery: | yeah, probably just slow to react to your deleting the recording |
| [02:11:19] | clever: | and now that the backend is dead, it was able to autoexpire the beast of a file |
| [02:12:08] | sphery: | your beast of a file is about the size of a 1hr recording on mine (HDTV) |
| [02:12:23] | clever: | its sdtv with a shitload of rf noise |
| [02:12:35] | clever: | the rf noise causes the mpeg4 encoder to shit itself and ignore the set bitrate |
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| [02:38:55] | INeedHelp: | ty |
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| [02:39:36] | Anduin: | INeedHelp: no one should actually install from the tarballs |
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| [02:40:34] | Anduin: | INeedHelp: I don't know if your specific device is supported but you should try packages first |
| [02:41:30] | Anduin: | INeedHelp: and MyhtTV isn't needed to make any piece of hardware run properly |
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| [03:05:44] | Ryushin: | Is there something going on with offset in appearance under setup in trunk? It's not accepting any changes for offset. It will do size just fine, but not offset. |
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| [03:17:20] | wagnerrp: | Ryushin: ive never had offset work with mythtv-setup |
| [03:18:28] | Ryushin: | It was working fine with trunk back in february. |
| [03:18:42] | Ryushin: | How are you doing offsett now? |
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| [03:19:04] | Ryushin: | Since it's not working with the frontend in appearance in the frontend? |
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| [03:47:13] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [03:47:20] | kormoc: | So who's a graphic wiz in here these days? |
| [03:47:36] | Kazan: | i might be |
| [03:47:39] | Kazan: | depends on what you need to know |
| [03:47:59] | Kazan: | i know a reasonable amount of OpenGL |
| [03:48:30] | kormoc: | nah, I'm in need of 60x60 apple-style icons for mythweb's modules |
| [03:48:41] | Kazan: | ah you mean artist :D |
| [03:48:44] | Kazan: | gotcha |
| [03:49:05] | kormoc: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/3028276643/ |
| [03:51:02] | Anduin: | Oh, nice |
| [03:51:38] | kormoc: | Flipping works correctly and all that jazz, but a fair bit more work to get going on the modules |
| [03:52:28] | kormoc: | the qt player on the iphone/ipod plays mp3's just fine, so streaming music works quite well |
| [03:53:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: just saw this (since you had mentioned My Own Worst Enemy): http://www.tv.com/story/11884.html?tag=show;latest_news;title;4 Looks like I'll be deleting that one without watching. |
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| [03:55:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, oof! |
| [03:55:44] | sphery: | unable to tell Ryushin that it may well be his WM prevent offset from working (i.e. if he's not running in a window and he's running full screen) |
| [03:55:49] | iamlindoro: | also, good timing, just walked in to take a phone call |
| [03:55:53] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: I can beta testzor for you |
| [03:55:54] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
| [03:56:00] | iamlindoro: | Shame since all the press seems to imply it was good |
| [03:56:13] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, Heh, I've been using both the emulator and my ipod touch to beta test :) |
| [03:56:19] | SlicerDicer: | awww come on! |
| [03:56:21] | SlicerDicer: | ;-) |
| [03:56:23] | sphery: | yeah, it is one of the few from this season whose name/premise I actually recognize |
| [03:56:23] | kormoc: | SlicerDicer, but yeah, I'll get something checked in soonish :) |
| [03:57:18] | SlicerDicer: | cool |
| [03:57:21] | SlicerDicer: | I got 4 of them bastards |
| [03:57:28] | SlicerDicer: | you know I need that ;-) |
| [03:58:32] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: nice toaster oven behind those little bottles of booze |
| [03:58:33] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
| [03:58:42] | kormoc: | hrm? |
| [03:58:53] | SlicerDicer: | flickr gallery ;-) |
| [03:59:03] | SlicerDicer: | was looking to see if there was birdies |
| [03:59:19] | kormoc: | Ahh, my ungodly unorganized flickr gallery :P |
| [03:59:28] | kormoc: | http://www.flickr.com/photos/kormoc/collectio . . . 07151950650/ |
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| [04:01:23] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: fix your badgers arse |
| [04:01:28] | SlicerDicer: | I will have to get you the full one |
| [04:01:34] | SlicerDicer: | :) |
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| [04:06:26] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/piratetampon.jpg there ya go that one is better throw that on there ;-) |
| [04:08:48] | Wicked: | hello all. anyone know how to use firewire to change channels on a SA4250HDC stb? |
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| [04:24:09] | SlicerDicer: | Wicked: just to change and record with a card via svideo or something? |
| [04:24:16] | SlicerDicer: | Wicked: or record and change channel over firewire? |
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| [04:25:10] | Wicked: | well i do some capturing over firewire..but its hit or miss...but i also capture over svideo and i use a ir blaster...but changing channels via firewire is much faster |
| [04:25:22] | Wicked: | u just found this link http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=712789 and im trying it out now |
| [04:25:38] | Wicked: | i had attempted something similar a couple weeks ago but never got it working |
| [04:25:40] | SlicerDicer: | firewire primer stuff will help |
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| [04:26:22] | SlicerDicer: | I am really not sure about the SA box |
| [04:26:27] | SlicerDicer: | I only really know the motorola boxes |
| [04:26:50] | Wicked: | ah |
| [04:26:50] | SlicerDicer: | but in theory the firewire channel changer you should be able to compile that to use. |
| [04:26:53] | SlicerDicer: | uno momento |
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| [04:27:43] | Wicked: | yea..i know it works.....changing channels via firewire always works in mythtv when im capturing from firewire.....its just capturing doesnt always work |
| [04:27:47] | SlicerDicer: | in the contrib directory there is a SA3250ch.c that should do the trick |
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| [04:27:53] | SlicerDicer: | capturing should always work |
| [04:27:57] | a1fa: | wow.. most awfull delay with streamzap |
| [04:28:00] | SlicerDicer: | unless its a 5C protected channel |
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| [04:28:27] | SlicerDicer: | Wicked: keep in mind that there is some things that are oddities about firewire at least in my experience |
| [04:28:31] | a1fa: | is there anything that could be done to fix delay with lirc+streamzap |
| [04:28:41] | a1fa: | i press pause.. and 5 minutes later it pauses playback |
| [04:29:05] | SlicerDicer: | I set the firewire channel changer to operate off of host adapter 1 |
| [04:29:11] | SlicerDicer: | and the firewire record off of host adapter 0 |
| [04:29:15] | SlicerDicer: | they are seperate and never clash |
| [04:29:28] | SlicerDicer: | 2 differnet firewire controllers makes life easy for me |
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| [04:29:51] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [04:29:55] | SlicerDicer: | mythtv specifies recording by GUID ... not sure if thats SVN only is it kormoc? |
| [04:29:59] | Wicked: | yea i have that SA3250ch.c |
| [04:29:59] | SlicerDicer: | I cant remember when it was done |
| [04:30:01] | Wicked: | and it doesnt work |
| [04:30:04] | SlicerDicer: | it should work |
| [04:30:11] | Wicked: | i then followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=712789 |
| [04:30:15] | Wicked: | and it still isnt working |
| [04:30:26] | SlicerDicer: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . 250ch/README |
| [04:30:30] | Wicked: | it sees my stb via firewire..but it isnt changing channels on the stb |
| [04:30:31] | SlicerDicer: | follow the readme included ;-) |
| [04:30:56] | Wicked: | yea...nothing |
| [04:31:04] | SlicerDicer: | then you must have something broken |
| [04:31:08] | SlicerDicer: | umm |
| [04:31:13] | Wicked: | i have it. i compiled it. it runs...it just doesnt actually change the channel |
| [04:31:42] | Wicked: | it sees my stb...which the source file doesnt initally do..i have to add my vendor info and stuff |
| [04:31:43] | SlicerDicer: | sudo sa3250ch 123 |
| [04:31:56] | SlicerDicer: | have you tried that? |
| [04:32:16] | Wicked: | yea. nothing |
| [04:32:38] | Wicked: | when i run it with -v it looks fine..but it doesnt actually change the channel |
| [04:32:46] | SlicerDicer: | cause if your udev is not set up properly you could always do a 'chmod 777 /dev/raw1394' then if it works check on the firewire section of mythtv wiki to setup udev rules |
| [04:32:55] | Wicked: | right |
| [04:33:00] | Wicked: | its not that.... |
| [04:33:10] | SlicerDicer: | moment brb |
| [04:33:16] | Wicked: | ok |
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| [04:33:55] | Wicked: | i know it has to work.....because when im in live tv mode in mythfrontend...it changes channels via firewire fine. |
| [04:33:59] | a1fa: | i am really getting frustrated with mythtv |
| [04:34:34] | Wicked: | whats streamzap? |
| [04:34:42] | a1fa: | stupid remote |
| [04:34:44] | a1fa: | its not that |
| [04:34:52] | a1fa: | the whole menu is slower than christmass |
| [04:35:05] | a1fa: | AMD XP 3200+ |
| [04:35:07] | a1fa: | 1GB ram |
| [04:35:26] | Wicked: | i read a while ago using the bob deinterlacer made the guides run slow. |
| [04:35:32] | Wicked: | try to see if u have bob enabled |
| [04:35:44] | a1fa: | where can i check that? |
| [04:35:52] | a1fa: | i mean everything is slow |
| [04:35:53] | Wicked: | oh im not sure off the top of my head. |
| [04:35:53] | a1fa: | guide |
| [04:36:02] | Wicked: | well is it slow...or delayed? |
| [04:36:05] | a1fa: | accessing remote while in playback |
| [04:36:18] | SlicerDicer: | Wicked: are you watching livetv through firewire? |
| [04:36:20] | a1fa: | even using a mouse via vnc |
| [04:36:50] | SlicerDicer: | when you can change the channel that is |
| [04:37:06] | Wicked: | SlicerDicer, sometimes yes. when want to watch HD i use HD-cable(through firewire) or for everything else i use SD-Cable(via svideo) |
| [04:37:09] | SlicerDicer: | or did you set it up to change channel via /usr/local/bin/blah |
| [04:37:25] | SlicerDicer: | so when you use sd cable + firewire channel change it works? |
| [04:37:30] | Wicked: | the hd-cable uses firewire to change channels |
| [04:37:34] | SlicerDicer: | yep |
| [04:37:37] | Wicked: | sd-cable uses ir blaster |
| [04:37:45] | SlicerDicer: | I was confused I am sorry |
| [04:38:02] | SlicerDicer: | I thought you were wanting to record via firewire with 1 box and change channel via firewire and record with svideo |
| [04:38:03] | a1fa: | 13186 mythtv 37 17 96576 46m 13m R 35.9 1.8 3:27.07 mythcommflag |
| [04:38:03] | Wicked: | the firewire setup was very easy...i selected the kinda stb i had and mythttv did the rest |
| [04:38:05] | a1fa: | oh WOW |
| [04:38:10] | a1fa: | some serious memory leak |
| [04:38:34] | Wicked: | SlicerDicer, nah. i just wanna use firewire to change channels when im using SD...which is through svideo |
| [04:38:52] | SlicerDicer: | so you want to do away with the irblaster? |
| [04:38:58] | SlicerDicer: | this is what you are saying? |
| [04:39:00] | Wicked: | correct. |
| [04:39:19] | SlicerDicer: | paste your plugreport to http://rafb.net/paste |
| [04:39:24] | Wicked: | ok |
| [04:39:54] | Wicked: | SlicerDicer, http://rafb.net/p/nMpmWG47.html |
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| [04:40:15] | sphery: | a1fa: 46M vsz and 13M rsz says a memory leak? |
| [04:40:16] | SlicerDicer: | pasted a bit more than needed :) |
| [04:40:16] | Wicked: | whoops..pasted other stuff too...my bad |
| [04:40:32] | SlicerDicer: | you only have one box hooked up via firewire? |
| [04:40:44] | Wicked: | yea. its the only firewire thing i have |
| [04:41:05] | SlicerDicer: | http://rafb.net/p/7Gz50D58.html |
| [04:41:16] | SlicerDicer: | host adapter 1, record via firewire and change channel |
| [04:41:24] | SlicerDicer: | errr shit |
| [04:41:28] | SlicerDicer: | host adapter 0, record via firewire and change channel |
| [04:41:41] | SlicerDicer: | host adapter 1, record via svideo, firewire channel change |
| [04:41:45] | SlicerDicer: | thats how mine is setup |
| [04:42:14] | sphery: | a1fa: or, 96M virt, 46M res, 13M shared (when I count columns correctly) |
| [04:42:20] | SlicerDicer: | now I am confused how you think you can run svideo and firewire recording off of 1 firewire cable |
| [04:42:20] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [04:42:35] | Wicked: | easy |
| [04:42:39] | Wicked: | i set up 2 video inputs |
| [04:42:39] | SlicerDicer: | cause in order to do that you would need 2 cableboxes and thus 2 firewire cables no? |
| [04:42:55] | Wicked: | no. u can switch video modes in mythtv |
| [04:43:01] | SlicerDicer: | Wicked: thats very strange |
| [04:43:08] | Wicked: | SlicerDicer, it is? |
| [04:43:15] | Wicked: | works great =) |
| [04:43:19] | SlicerDicer: | well if you have a firewire input and a svideo on the same box |
| [04:43:24] | Wicked: | it does |
| [04:43:27] | SlicerDicer: | whats to stop them from recording at the same time... |
| [04:43:32] | sphery: | input groups |
| [04:43:34] | SlicerDicer: | and doing random shit |
| [04:43:41] | Wicked: | SlicerDicer, thats where it gets a bit more confusing |
| [04:43:42] | Wicked: | but |
| [04:43:44] | Wicked: | here goes |
| [04:44:20] | SlicerDicer: | Wicked: so I am starting to understand what you are doing |
| [04:44:32] | SlicerDicer: | so what you want to do is be able to do away with the irblaster |
| [04:44:38] | Wicked: | i select only HD channels for the firewire. i then tell it to only use that list of channels...so it knows nothing about the other channels. i then set up my svideo to use all other channels..again the svideo doesnt know about the hd channels |
| [04:44:50] | SlicerDicer: | record/change channel via firewire & record via svideo and change channel with firewire all on the same box? |
| [04:45:13] | Kazan: | any pacific northwesterners? |
| [04:45:37] | Wicked: | right. if im in HD-Cable it will use firewire to capture/change channels. if im in SD-Cable it will use svideo to capture and firewire to change channels |
| [04:45:58] | SlicerDicer: | ok sec |
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| [04:46:11] | Wicked: | its a bit confusing. |
| [04:47:08] | SlicerDicer: | nah it makes sense now |
| [04:47:16] | Wicked: | and this is one of those "would be nice but isnt required" things |
| [04:47:35] | Wicked: | something i keep trying every once in a while to see if i can get it to work |
| [04:48:14] | SlicerDicer: | on the ubuntu forums thing did you verify that the vendor and model ID was there? |
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| [04:48:40] | Wicked: | yea |
| [04:49:09] | SlicerDicer: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2665 thats why I ask |
| [04:49:13] | SlicerDicer: | cause I had a similar problem :) |
| [04:49:47] | Wicked: | yea i had to add my vendor info to the source |
| [04:50:10] | SlicerDicer: | are you sure you did it correctly? |
| [04:50:34] | Wicked: | 99% but will double check again |
| [04:52:31] | SlicerDicer: | kormoc: whats the best online place to send flowers?" |
| [04:55:25] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [04:55:50] | kormoc: | I've only ever used a local shop in Vancouver and Powell River, so I can't really comment outside of those two places |
| [04:56:14] | SlicerDicer: | damn |
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| [04:57:34] | Whoever: | hi all does anyone know where to find v4l-dvb at? i've searched but have only found ubuntu and mandrack , i need it for arch or the tarball |
| [04:58:19] | cesman: | hello Whoever |
| [04:58:24] | cesman: | linuxtv.org |
| [05:06:24] | Whoever: | cesman: i get cofused searing at that dl page all i see are changes that haue been made i don't see a tarball, can u guide me to it , i can get to linuxtv.org dl page |
| [05:08:23] | Whoever: | http://www.linuxtv.org/downloads/ i think it would be linuxtv-dvb.1.1.0.tar.bz2 but i could had swarn i tried that and it didn't work when i when into myth to set up my card but will try again |
| [05:09:19] | cesman: | no, you don't want that version |
| [05:09:43] | cesman: | do you not see my message w/ the link to the latest? |
| [05:11:20] | Whoever: | yes please do |
| [05:11:26] | Tomasu is now known as TomasuDlrrp | |
| [05:13:05] | Kazan: | wtb: cablecard that atually functions as a consumer access device instead of just a joke of one |
| [05:14:40] | cesman: | Whoever: http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb/archive/tip.tar.bz2 |
| [05:16:32] | cesman: | Whoever: as you are on Arch, here is a PKGBUILD:http://pastebin.com/d15e53155 |
| [05:18:17] | cesman: | and the v4l-dvb.install that it uses:http://pastebin.com/d4d705699 |
| [05:18:31] | Whoever: | cesman: I havev't realy used PKGBUILD yet. Ive seen them in tarballs cas u instruct? |
| [05:19:13] | cesman: | Whoever: go the the arch wiki or #archlinux |
| [05:19:21] | Whoever: | k |
| [05:19:24] | Whoever: | thanks |
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| [05:59:19] | DarKnesS_WolF: | anyidea how mythtv can work with antenna " disk " not in Northen America ? "egypt" it says no signal in the scanning even i did add a video source "no grabber" and scan all to get all channels is there anywya i can do all the channel freq. manual ? |
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| [06:11:23] | dm-madman: | since it seems that the PVR-500 is discontinued, I was wondering if anyone could suggest another dual tuner card that works well |
| [06:11:35] | renjith: | Hi All |
| [06:15:01] | doje_: | Lexridge: Hello again. I upgraded so I'm on 2.6.27, but still no luck with the usbuirt |
| [06:15:35] | doje_: | The light flashes just once, when it worked I think it flashed several times |
| [06:15:38] | renjith: | i am using the myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [06:15:59] | renjith: | but when i try to use i got the following error |
| [06:16:11] | renjith: | DBI connect('database=mythconverg:host=localhost.localdomain','mythtv',...) failed: Can't connect to MySQL server on 'localhost.localdomain' (111) at ./myth.rebuilddatabase.pl line 191 |
| [06:16:11] | renjith: | Cannot connect to database () |
| [06:16:26] | renjith: | Anybody know the reason? |
| [06:17:17] | renjith: | i specified my ip in both front and mythbackend not localhost |
| [06:17:26] | doje_: | renjith: was there a password in there you removed before pasting here? |
| [06:17:27] | renjith: | so a remote can connect to my db |
| [06:17:46] | renjith: | no |
| [06:18:52] | doje_: | I think you might need to configure the connection somewhere. .localdomain probably should be removed |
| [06:19:06] | dm-madman: | you probably need to set the sql to allow yourmythuser@% instead of yourmythuser@localhost ? |
| [06:19:55] | dm-madman: | err...nvm...you're connecting to localhost i think...ignore me |
| [06:20:25] | doje_: | dm-madman: I think that .localdomain needs to be removed – seems like it's sample connection info |
| [06:20:47] | dm-madman: | yeah if it connects to just "localhost" it'll use the unix socket |
| [06:21:43] | doje_: | renjith: can you look at that file and see if there's a config section at the top of it ? |
| [06:22:09] | renjith: | sure |
| [06:22:31] | doje_: | renjith: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [06:22:40] | doje_: | looks like it takes parameters |
| [06:23:28] | dm-madman: | i see stuff like 'my $host = hostname' |
| [06:23:46] | doje_: | try adding --dbhost localhost |
| [06:24:34] | dm-madman: | there is also --user, --pass, and --database |
| [06:24:40] | dm-madman: | if that doesn't work |
| [06:25:33] | renjith: | these are the lines from that file |
| [06:25:36] | renjith: | my $host = hostname; |
| [06:25:38] | doje_: | default database is probably fine – renjith, look in ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [06:25:40] | renjith: | my $dbhost = $host; |
| [06:25:44] | renjith: | my $database = "mythconverg"; |
| [06:25:48] | renjith: | my $user = "mythtv"; |
| [06:25:52] | renjith: | my $pass = "mythtv"; |
| [06:25:52] | renjith: | my $ext = "{nuv,mpg,mpeg,avi}"; |
| [06:25:52] | renjith: | my $file = ""; |
| [06:25:52] | renjith: | my @answers; |
| [06:25:52] | renjith: | my $norename = 0; |
| [06:25:53] | renjith: | my $storagegroup = "Default"; |
| [06:26:19] | renjith: | ok |
| [06:26:27] | doje_: | renjith: just close that file – you don't need to look in there |
| [06:26:33] | doje_: | renjith: that was my bad |
| [06:27:43] | renjith: | ok |
| [06:28:13] | renjith: | this is from mysql.txt - |
| [06:28:15] | renjith: | # Set the following if you want to use something other than this |
| [06:28:19] | renjith: | # machine's real hostname for identifying settings in the database. |
| [06:28:20] | renjith: | # This is useful if your hostname changes often, as otherwise you |
| [06:28:20] | renjith: | # will need to reconfigure mythtv (or futz with the DB) every time. |
| [06:28:20] | renjith: | # TWO HOSTS MUST NOT USE THE SAME VALUE |
| [06:28:20] | renjith: | # |
| [06:28:22] | renjith: | LocalHostName=localhost |
| [06:28:29] | dm-madman: | did u try running it with --dbhost localhost? |
| [06:28:39] | renjith: | so instaed of local host i can set my ip right |
| [06:28:46] | dm-madman: | use localhost |
| [06:28:52] | dm-madman: | it will use a unix socket if u do |
| [06:29:19] | dm-madman: | and it'll cause less issues with permissions |
| [06:30:11] | dm-madman: | your problem is that your hostname is set to localhost.localdomain in /etc/hostname i think |
| [06:30:26] | dm-madman: | try the --dbhost thing |
| [06:31:33] | renjith: | you mean use dbhost instead of localhost? |
| [06:31:54] | dm-madman: | no |
| [06:32:19] | renjith: | should i change anything iside mysql.txt? |
| [06:32:26] | doje_: | no, try: Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost localhost |
| [06:32:27] | dm-madman: | run 'myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost localhost' |
| [06:32:33] | renjith: | ok |
| [06:32:41] | doje_: | heh, sorry |
| [06:33:58] | dm-madman: | so anybody can suggest a dual tuner card still in production |
| [06:34:21] | renjith: | thanks |
| [06:34:26] | dm-madman: | np |
| [06:35:26] | renjith: | so what ia ma using is – ./myth.rebuilddatabase.pl --dbhost localhost --dir /var/lib/video |
| [06:35:35] | renjith: | video folder contain some video files |
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| [06:35:57] | renjith: | so it will stored thses into database right |
| [06:36:12] | renjith: | so it will stored these videos into database right |
| [06:36:50] | renjith: | so i can play it from under recoded videos |
| [06:36:56] | renjith: | am i right? |
| [06:37:05] | dm-madman: | i have no idea what it does |
| [06:37:07] | dm-madman: | lol |
| [06:37:22] | doje_: | renjith: you could also configure the "videos" directory |
| [06:37:26] | renjith: | i am talking by referring about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [06:37:46] | doje_: | renjith: it's in the frontend setup |
| [06:38:23] | dm-madman: | i just put videos in the video directory and the frontend knows they are there |
| [06:39:46] | dm-madman: | what o/s do you use renjith |
| [06:41:03] | renjith: | ok, fc7 |
| [06:41:07] | renjith: | fedora7 |
| [06:41:14] | dm-madman: | ahh ic |
| [06:41:29] | dm-madman: | so the dbhost thing worked, right? |
| [06:41:48] | renjith: | once we did this the video will comes under recorded, we can play it from there |
| [06:41:53] | renjith: | yes worked |
| [06:42:23] | renjith: | but i made some mistakes so cannot play the video at that time so i cleared the table named recorded |
| [06:42:44] | renjith: | and now when i try to usesame thing it is not storing in the db |
| [06:42:49] | renjith: | db -database |
| [06:44:20] | renjith: | the files stored in (/video) and will be checked against |
| [06:44:20] | DarKnesS_WolF: | any idea i a trying to setup mytv in egypt with nilesat freq. i got them into a file but when i use mythv and search it gets no signal any idea of how to put a normal antenna video device to get nilesat signal ? |
| [06:44:20] | renjith: | your database to see if the exist. If they do not, you will be prompted |
| [06:44:20] | renjith: | for a title and subtitle of the entry, and a record will be created. |
| [06:44:40] | renjith: | thr database contain no info about video |
| [06:45:05] | renjith: | still it doesn't ask about futrther info for store? |
| [06:45:19] | renjith: | i don't know what went wrong here |
| [06:45:33] | dm-madman: | i can't even figure out what you're trying to do |
| [06:45:34] | renjith: | can you guys follow me what am saying? |
| [06:45:49] | renjith: | ok i will tell you in detail; |
| [06:46:15] | doje_: | renjith: there's an option in setup for a "video directory" |
| [06:46:16] | renjith: | using myth.rebuilddatabase.pl we can store our own videos to myth database |
| [06:46:29] | renjith: | yes |
| [06:46:30] | renjith: | i know |
| [06:46:47] | renjith: | that is for stroring and playing a video using mythtv |
| [06:46:54] | dm-madman: | if you just drop videos in the right directory they will show up in the videos menu |
| [06:46:58] | renjith: | i have no capture card |
| [06:47:04] | renjith: | yes |
| [06:47:13] | renjith: | it shows and i can play those video files |
| [06:47:28] | dm-madman: | so what is the problem |
| [06:47:58] | renjith: | what i want now is a remote machine that use mythfrotend can access video from the recorded videos of machine |
| [06:48:09] | dm-madman: | set up nfs |
| [06:48:39] | renjith: | if we refer http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth.rebuilddatabase.pl we can see that we can manually add a video file to myth database |
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| [06:48:53] | renjith: | and later it will comes under recorded videos |
| [06:49:01] | renjith: | so a remote can plays it |
| [06:49:21] | renjith: | dm-madman : nfs means |
| [06:49:21] | dm-madman: | i have no idea how to do what you're doing or if it's possible. i just set up nfs on both machines and call it a day |
| [06:49:30] | renjith: | yes it is possible |
| [06:50:00] | renjith: | http://www.myhdbox.com/mythtips/2006/05/tip-3 . . . tv-shows.php , this also reveals that |
| [06:50:24] | renjith: | dm-madman : can you please tell me in details about what is nfs? |
| [06:50:30] | dm-madman: | well nfs works fine and is easy so i'm not too worried about it |
| [06:50:42] | renjith: | nfs? |
| [06:50:43] | dm-madman: | network file system |
| [06:50:50] | renjith: | ok |
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| [06:51:17] | dm-madman: | there should be a good howto for setting it up on the internet somewhere |
| [06:51:47] | renjith: | what i want is a remote mythfrontend can access video from machine(a remote can view only the live and recorded videos, not stored videos in my machine) |
| [06:51:55] | dm-madman: | basically just install and run nfsd on the backend machine, addd an entry to /etc/exports, add it to the fstab on the remote machine, and mount it |
| [06:52:24] | dm-madman: | you lost me again |
| [06:52:24] | doje_: | renjith: nfs lets a directory on the remote machine _appear_ to be a local directory |
| [06:52:27] | renjith: | no no need to mount, i am not using any capture card |
| [06:52:39] | renjith: | ok |
| [06:53:13] | renjith: | i want to import some video files into my mythdatabase |
| [06:53:26] | doje_: | renjith: you have to install nfs server on the remote, setup an export then mount the export on the frontend |
| [06:53:37] | renjith: | for that i am using myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [06:54:01] | renjith: | why do i need to mount? |
| [06:54:09] | doje_: | renjith: you don't need to import to do what you want |
| [06:54:54] | dm-madman: | you use nfs to mount the backend's video directory on the frontend's filesystem |
| [06:54:56] | renjith: | ok lets consider this scenario |
| [06:55:25] | renjith: | i have both mythbackend and mythfrotnend in my machine |
| [06:55:37] | dm-madman: | yeah, me too |
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| [06:55:55] | dm-madman: | and i have another connected to the tv downstairs |
| [06:56:03] | dm-madman: | with frontend only |
| [06:56:18] | dm-madman: | it plays all recorded shows, all videos, all music on my machine here |
| [06:56:19] | renjith: | i can only play video files that stored under watch video |
| [06:56:36] | renjith: | what i want is i need some video files inside watch recordings |
| [06:56:39] | dm-madman: | they are on this machine, play on either one |
| [06:56:51] | renjith: | so that i have to import some video files right? |
| [06:56:56] | dm-madman: | no |
| [06:57:23] | dm-madman: | just use nfs and the other machine will also have the 'videos' and 'music' menus just like your machine |
| [06:57:33] | dm-madman: | provided you installed those plugins on it |
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| [06:58:30] | renjith: | no i dont want to share the vidos |
| [06:58:34] | renjith: | videos* |
| [06:58:43] | renjith: | I want to stream the videos |
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| [06:58:53] | renjith: | to the front end |
| [06:59:04] | renjith: | just like recorded videos |
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| [06:59:31] | dm-madman: | sounds like you're just trying to find a complicated way to do something that is otherwise simple |
| [06:59:34] | dm-madman: | is that about right? |
| [06:59:46] | doje_: | hehe |
| [07:02:29] | renjith: | its not like that I want to watch videos |
| [07:03:06] | renjith: | I am working related to streaming that why I am sticking to this way |
| [07:09:51] | doje_: | renjith: what's the difference between streaming and watching a video? |
| [07:12:14] | renjith: | youmount via nfs |
| [07:12:53] | renjith: | you wathc that video that is some thing like what a your playing a vide file in a player |
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| [07:13:21] | renjith: | in streaming the vide will be sent from server to client |
| [07:13:29] | dm-madman: | i play my videos in myth |
| [07:13:43] | dm-madman: | either way it is sent from server to client |
| [07:14:13] | renjith: | if you mount via nfs |
| [07:14:17] | doje_: | renjith: is there something with the way the playback controls are different you don't like? |
| [07:14:19] | renjith: | there is no server client |
| [07:14:29] | dm-madman: | huh? |
| [07:14:46] | renjith: | no not like that |
| [07:14:46] | dm-madman: | nfs is a client/server protocol |
| [07:14:57] | renjith: | yes but not streaming |
| [07:15:16] | dm-madman: | so what |
| [07:15:32] | dm-madman: | what difference does it make? |
| [07:16:12] | renjith: | i already said i did not ment for wathcing videos |
| [07:16:27] | renjith: | I dont have a tv tunner card |
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| [07:16:50] | renjith: | so the other way of streaming is recorded videos |
| [07:17:07] | renjith: | if I want to simply watch a tv I can use nfs what ever ways |
| [07:17:24] | renjith: | What I want is to have a streaming session |
| [07:17:52] | doje_: | well, then use the import script |
| [07:18:00] | dm-madman: | you probably want something other than mythtv |
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| [07:18:46] | renjith: | yes that is what i am trying |
| [07:18:55] | dm-madman: | your videos will have to be encoded in some specific way for them to get streamed through myth |
| [07:19:19] | renjith: | no RTP will strea mpeg2 |
| [07:19:24] | dm-madman: | i really don't know |
| [07:19:32] | renjith: | yes ok thanks |
| [07:19:55] | dm-madman: | i fail to see why the transport protocol is relevant at all though |
| [07:20:35] | dm-madman: | it's not like you can tell the difference on the frontend |
| [07:22:38] | renjith: | yes correct |
| [07:31:31] | DarKnesS_WolF: | guys any idea how to add a dfirrent freq to mythtv ? like nilesat ? |
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| [07:33:01] | DarKnesS_WolF: | scan and try-all gets no signal .. even mplayer works fine but that is only cuz i have a channels.conf does mythtv works with something like that ? |
| [07:33:53] | dm-madman: | i seem to remember seeing some kind of frequency tables for different areas once, maybe you can define a new one |
| [07:34:05] | Dibblah: | DVB? |
| [07:34:05] | dm-madman: | forget if it was in files or in the database |
| [07:34:21] | Dibblah: | You need an initial signal to scan from. |
| [07:34:36] | Dibblah: | Use lyngsat to find the settings for one channel. |
| [07:34:56] | Dibblah: | Or take the settings from a line in your channels.conf |
| [07:37:00] | DarKnesS_WolF: | yes DVB-S |
| [07:37:20] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: okay perfect but where i put it in mythtv ? |
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| [07:38:21] | DarKnesS_WolF: | 10757 here is a 1st frq. for ex. |
| [07:39:43] | Dibblah: | mythtv-setup |
| [07:39:49] | Dibblah: | Channels |
| [07:39:53] | Dibblah: | Channel scanner. |
| [07:40:04] | Dibblah: | I would suggest following a guide for Myth setup. |
| [07:40:37] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: u mean channel editor ? |
| [07:41:25] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [07:41:27] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: that is the same i don't get to import the channel freq. if i do chose try-all i get no signal |
| [07:41:28] | Dibblah: | I think. |
| [07:41:37] | Dibblah: | You need all of the settings. |
| [07:41:53] | Dibblah: | You set it up as a DVB adapter, right? |
| [07:41:53] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmmmm like ? |
| [07:41:56] | DarKnesS_WolF: | yes |
| [07:41:57] | DarKnesS_WolF: | i did |
| [07:42:14] | DarKnesS_WolF: | i reach the point that my card works with mplayer and i have all the list of freq. don't know hwo to import into myth |
| [07:42:15] | Dibblah: | frequency / polarity / modulation / ... |
| [07:42:21] | DarKnesS_WolF: | yes |
| [07:43:43] | Dibblah: | 12034 H 27500 3/4 for example. |
| [07:44:03] | Dibblah: | You have to add 3 0s on the end of the freq and symbol rate. |
| [07:44:20] | Dibblah: | So 12034000 for freq and 27500000 for symbol rate. |
| [07:44:59] | DarKnesS_WolF: | ok i know that but where i add this settings :-s |
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| [07:46:09] | Dibblah: | Channel editor / channel scanner. |
| [07:46:32] | Dibblah: | Enter freq pol symbol rate |
| [07:46:42] | Dibblah: | Leave the others as default. |
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| [07:47:11] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: channel scanner dosn't allow me to enter any of this info you gave me |
| [07:48:47] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: ok may be i have something wrong . what i shlould have in the video source ? |
| [07:48:50] | DarKnesS_WolF: | no grabber ? |
| [07:48:50] | DarKnesS_WolF: | or EIT ? |
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| [07:50:48] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: just to knw i am using 0.21.0+fixes18722 |
| [07:50:51] | DarKnesS_WolF: | with ubuntu |
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| [08:01:33] | trontos: | <sigh> what's the best way to restore crashed mysql tables on mythbuntu? |
| [08:02:01] | dm-madman: | restore your last backup |
| [08:02:20] | Dibblah: | DarKnesS_WolF: You haven't set up your card as a DVB card. |
| [08:02:21] | dm-madman: | did i get it right? |
| [08:02:27] | Dibblah: | When you started. |
| [08:02:36] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: i did it :-s |
| [08:02:42] | Dibblah: | It's set as "standard v4l". |
| [08:02:44] | DarKnesS_WolF: | i have /dev/video0 " v4l " |
| [08:02:47] | trontos: | dm-madman, is there a way to repair the tables? |
| [08:02:52] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmmm Dibblah i think ur right |
| [08:02:54] | Dibblah: | Which it shouldn't be. |
| [08:03:09] | ** trontos doesn't really want to lose the bit between now and the last backup... ** | |
| [08:03:19] | DarKnesS_WolF: | how to set up my card as dvb card ? even it read dvb card in the caputer device |
| [08:03:26] | dm-madman: | i'm not sure |
| [08:03:43] | dm-madman: | i think there may be a way to specifically rebuild the myth data |
| [08:03:51] | dm-madman: | one of the perl scripts maybe |
| [08:03:57] | Dibblah: | DarKnesS_WolF: mythtv-setup again. |
| [08:04:00] | Dibblah: | Cards. |
| [08:04:05] | Dibblah: | Select the card. |
| [08:04:10] | Dibblah: | Change it's type to DVB. |
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| [08:04:25] | Dibblah: | You REALLY should be following a guide. |
| [08:04:27] | trontos: | yeah, I remember someone mentioned it before |
| [08:05:17] | Dibblah: | Everyone should really be following a guide. |
| [08:05:25] | Dibblah: | Including the bit about regular backups. |
| [08:05:31] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: it saying video device /dev/video0 and default input DVB is that right ? |
| [08:05:46] | DarKnesS_WolF: | then it show V4L : /dev/video0 |
| [08:06:04] | Dibblah: | Which bit about following a guide is unclear? |
| [08:06:23] | Dibblah: | Under card type. |
| [08:06:33] | Dibblah: | You need to select DVB DTV capture card. |
| [08:06:50] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: ah now i got it i thought that is just a nam |
| [08:06:52] | DarKnesS_WolF: | name * |
| [08:07:00] | dm-madman: | maybe that myth.rebuilddatabase.pl that renjith was playing around with... take a look at that and/or the documentation and see what it actually does, maybe |
| [08:07:09] | trontos: | dm-madman, any idea *where* the perl scripts are? |
| [08:07:28] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: ok got ur point |
| [08:07:31] | dm-madman: | mine are located in /usr/share/mythtv/contrib/ but i'd imagine it depends on your distro |
| [08:07:59] | trontos: | mythbuntu, but I'll have a look around and see, thanks |
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| [08:17:25] | ** justinh yawns ** | |
| [08:19:07] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmmmmmmmmmmmm nothing in the scan ! |
| [08:19:22] | ** justinh suggests plugging the aerial in! ** | |
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| [08:21:12] | justinh: | oh. DVB-S. Oh dear |
| [08:21:55] | justinh: | has any native English speaker written a howto guide for DVB-S with mythtv yet? |
| [08:24:07] | DarKnesS_WolF: | at last :-D was LNB issue !! |
| [08:25:40] | justinh: | hmm still looks like nobody has |
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| [08:27:28] | DarKnesS_WolF: | still not all working but at least i got signal |
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| [08:32:09] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: thx alot it did work :-) |
| [08:32:27] | DarKnesS_WolF: | Dibblah: just with channels.conf ;-) later i'll check why adding transport not working but it is okay for now :-) |
| [08:41:46] | trontos: | myisamchk did the trick :) |
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| [08:58:01] | justinh: | trontos: but still, always have a backup |
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| [09:15:25] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmm one more question .... if i configured everything in the backend and now i am running the frontend when i click watchtv it blinks black and get back to the menu what might be the problelm ? |
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| [09:16:17] | jduggan: | i'm about to setup dvb-s ordered a card off ebay and scored a free dish/lnb |
| [09:16:36] | jduggan: | so if i'll write a quick howto, mebbe, if i can be bothered, or something |
| [09:16:37] | jduggan: | :o |
| [09:16:42] | jduggan: | -if |
| [09:19:57] | justinh: | DarKnesS_WolF: any number of things can be the problem. look in the backend log |
| [09:21:09] | DarKnesS_WolF: | 2008-11–14 11:20:48.952 DiSEqCDevTree, Error: No root device tree node! |
| [09:21:10] | DarKnesS_WolF: | \ |
| [09:21:14] | DarKnesS_WolF: | but i have LNB there |
| [09:21:22] | DarKnesS_WolF: | and i did scan the channels and i got the channels and everything |
| [09:23:31] | DarKnesS_WolF: | strange the LNB gone ! |
| [09:23:31] | DarKnesS_WolF: | mmm will add again |
| [09:23:31] | justinh: | yeah so? |
| [09:23:47] | justinh: | does the user mythbackend is running has have permission to use the card?! |
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| [09:27:46] | justinh: | funny how that question is always met with RUH????????????? ;0 |
| [09:28:17] | DarKnesS_WolF: | yes justinh i added the LNB again in the device and it works |
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| [09:30:15] | simoo: | Hi, I keep getting the symlink error with mythweb for my videos but I have recreated the symlink inside the data dir, can anyone help? |
| [09:30:41] | justinh: | the .. symlink .. error ??? what symlink error |
| [09:30:43] | justinh: | ?? |
| [09:31:08] | simoo: | sorry "Could not create a symlink to /storage/videos, the local MythVideo directory for this hostname (melitta). Please create a symlink to your MythVideo directory at data/video in order to use the video portions of MythWeb." |
| [09:31:33] | justinh: | probably a permission issue on the symbolic link |
| [09:32:01] | justinh: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 www-data www-data 12 2008-03–29 15:50 video -> /myth/movies |
| [09:32:07] | simoo: | well the actual link is root:root but where is points to is 777 |
| [09:32:14] | justinh: | where www-data is the apache user |
| [09:33:04] | simoo: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2008-11–14 09:27 video -> /storage/videos/ |
| [09:33:08] | justinh: | try changing the owner of the link to the same owner as the mythweb dir |
| [09:33:29] | simoo: | how do I change the symlink owner? |
| [09:33:36] | justinh: | chown |
| [09:34:14] | simoo: | chown apache:apache video has no effect |
| [09:35:01] | justinh: | do you have an .htaccess file to allow following symlinks? |
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| [09:35:39] | simoo: | I have not created a htaccess file |
| [09:35:58] | justinh: | so your mythweb isn't secured yet? |
| [09:36:18] | simoo: | no, I only just set it up and it's only accessable from my lan |
| [09:36:25] | justinh: | even so, following symlinks might have been disabled in the local config for mythweb |
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| [09:37:16] | simoo: | Options FollowSymLinks is in my mythweb.conf |
| [09:37:38] | DarKnesS_WolF: | what a perfect App ! really perfect ! :-) thx for all the help guys |
| [09:37:44] | justinh: | dunno then |
| [09:38:03] | simoo: | ok thanks anyway :) |
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| [09:38:21] | justinh: | FWIW I don't see the point in video access from mythweb |
| [09:38:58] | simoo: | yeah, im not too worry about it, just don't undertsnd why it's not working |
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| [09:39:30] | justinh: | god, the music in the lab is especially shite today |
| [09:40:02] | simoo: | on a slightly different note, when I try to play music from mythweb I just get the chance to download a playlist file, why would that be? |
| [09:40:10] | justinh: | that's the way it is :) |
| [09:40:25] | justinh: | the .m3u contains info about the file(s) to play |
| [09:40:35] | simoo: | ah right |
| [09:40:45] | simoo: | I thought i could stream it from the site |
| [09:40:51] | justinh: | it does |
| [09:41:02] | justinh: | but not recoding or anything |
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| [09:42:03] | simoo: | I tried putting that playlist file into amarok and nothing happens, how am I supposed to use it? |
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| [09:42:57] | justinh: | amarok sucks :) |
| [09:43:13] | simoo: | haha, what shall I try it with? |
| [09:43:29] | justinh: | well, maybe the permissions on the music symlink part is broken too :P |
| [09:43:39] | simoo: | hmmm.... probably |
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| [09:44:15] | justinh: | cos if you look in the .m3u file directly it probably refers to a file you can't access |
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| [09:47:13] | simoo: | http://melitta/mythweb/music/stream?i=3277 |
| [09:48:01] | simoo: | yeah, I think it is a permissions thing |
| [09:49:37] | justinh: | FFS I thought new order was awful.. but salum yusef.. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [09:50:21] | justinh: | can we please get somebody with taste in music.. or better still a preference for NO music in this lab? Pretty please? |
| [09:50:51] | simoo: | music? |
| [09:51:17] | justinh: | yeah. guy I allegedly work with plays 'music' on his iPoo all day |
| [09:51:27] | justinh: | it's quite annoying |
| [09:52:06] | simoo: | ipoo :) |
| [09:52:22] | simoo: | tell him to get some headphones |
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| [09:53:20] | simoo: | I sorted the permissions thing... the permissions need to be right from the root dir |
| [09:53:46] | simoo: | I'm sure that's not the first time I've been caught out by that |
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| [12:51:44] | jm|laptop: | hello :) |
| [12:53:00] | jm|laptop: | I'm having a lock issue with my Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-T-500. Seemingly at random and between each of the dual tuners, I find myself facing partial locks (L__) in mythtv. The other tuner seems to be working fine and I have a signal strength of about 67% |
| [12:53:35] | larstr: | jm|laptop: USB? |
| [12:53:49] | jm|laptop: | larstr: PCI with onboard USB, yes. |
| [12:54:10] | jm|laptop: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI I read all of this and have tried both firmwares and the modprobe options for USB and the LNA |
| [12:55:29] | jm|laptop: | it is not the diversity edition |
| [12:55:58] | larstr: | jm|laptop: ok.. there's also a note regarding this issue here -> http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards |
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| [12:56:30] | ** jm|laptop looks ** | |
| [12:58:03] | jm|laptop: | larstr: you mean the USB issue? |
| [12:58:12] | ** larstr just ordered that card earlier today ** | |
| [12:59:27] | jm|laptop: | larstr: when it's working, I'm impressed with it. I have three streams per tuner working fine when I have a proper lock |
| [13:00:13] | larstr: | what distro/kernel are you using? |
| [13:00:33] | jm|laptop: | Debian, lenny. 2.6.26-1–686. mythtv 0.21 from source |
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| [13:01:21] | ** jm|laptop checks syslog ** | |
| [13:01:29] | larstr: | jm|laptop: I'm using mythbuntu, so it shouldn't be too different from lenny |
| [13:01:38] | jm|laptop: | yeah |
| [13:02:30] | jm|laptop: | [ 1153.354341] usbcore: deregistering interface driver dvb_usb_dib0700 |
| [13:02:30] | jm|laptop: | [ 1153.358586] dvb-usb: Hauppauge Nova-T 500 Dual DVB-T successfully deinitialized and disconnected. |
| [13:02:31] | jm|laptop: | oh. |
| [13:07:01] | ** larstr gotta run.. Nice talking to you jm|laptop :) ** | |
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| [14:06:33] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports |
| [14:06:42] | gbee: | needs work |
| [14:07:19] | gbee: | for a start it invites people to use an mplayer line which disables filters, which is just going to lead to tears |
| [14:08:06] | gbee: | secondly most people are reporting pirated mkvs and not high bitrate broadcast 1080i |
| [14:10:06] | gbee: | apparently a single core 1.6Ghz Atom can manage a 720p h.264 mkv with a bitrate of 6mb/s – which tells you just how useless reporting those mkvs is |
| [14:19:54] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:20:20] | GreyFoxx: | wonder if it would require CoreAVC since the last sync and enabling of multiple core playback heh |
| [14:22:33] | gbee: | probably not, I'll try a similar spec file on my Atom |
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| [14:49:05] | directhex: | ffplay! |
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| [14:59:10] | iamlindoro: | gbee, It may not be perfect but it's better than nothing-- the idea being to test the absolute outside edge of what is possible on a given processor (although in practice some people have added some useless data). It's no unreasonable to suggest an mplayer line that would allow maximum speed even if there are sacrifices |
| [15:00:00] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I also note you removed one of my entries, perhaps thinking you consolidated it into the Blu ray sample with larger bitrate-- it fact, both samples ought to exist as one was 44 Mbit mpeg2 and one was 32 mbit h.264-- both useful pieces of information in my mind |
| [15:05:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: ahh sorry, missed the fact that it was mpeg2 |
| [15:06:37] | iamlindoro: | I'm also confused by some of the name changes you made-- planet earth became planet earth trailer? |
| [15:06:45] | iamlindoro: | I promise it was the real thing (tm) :) |
| [15:07:16] | iamlindoro: | not that it really matter when it comes to that, I suppose |
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| [15:07:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro: was trying to avoid the impression, given by a couple of entries, that examples were based off pirated rips |
| [15:08:22] | iamlindoro: | maybe I'm just defensive because I spent all the time writing the page/script/etc. because I wanted for there to finally be an answer to the "what do I need to do HD?" |
| [15:08:29] | gbee: | really the content doesn't matter much, could be generalised to Documentary |
| [15:08:58] | iamlindoro: | gbee, in that case (EVO container) it was straight off HD-DVd-- but in point of fact it doesn't matter so much what the content itself is, you are absolutely right |
| [15:09:36] | gbee: | iamlindoro: page is a good idea, just concerned that people will look at the bottom line and decide to buy an Atom when it's not going to play 20mb/s broadcast quality h.264 |
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| [15:12:11] | gbee: | which is why I qualified those low bitrate files with "Very low bitrate" in the hopes that people would read the comments |
| [15:12:44] | iamlindoro: | I've mostly just been cutting out those entries with snarky edit comments ;) |
| [15:13:39] | iamlindoro: | like "please read page, only use clips that push hardware to its max," etc. |
| [15:13:55] | gbee: | reason why I commented on the mplayer line, is because some files need deblocking or they degenerate pretty quickly into unwatchable blocks, so basing 'minimum' specs on that basis could also be misleading |
| [15:14:41] | iamlindoro: | Page could probably use a revamp that only takes internal into account, might be a simpler indicator |
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| [15:15:46] | iamlindoro: | granted, most hardware could be pushed further by mplayer, but it wouldn't *hurt* to buy hardware such that you could use Internal and would discourage the use of mplayer |
| [15:16:06] | gbee: | maybe a line at the top stressing the difference between sample qualities and a generalisation that a 2.4Ghz CPU is recommened for 720p/1080i, higher for 1080p? |
| [15:16:20] | iamlindoro: | yeah, makes sense |
| [15:16:45] | iamlindoro: | IMHO internal is a MUCH better player than mplayer/others for blu-ray |
| [15:17:01] | Dibblah: | And that the bitrate is _not even close_ to a deterministic way to tell decode complexity. |
| [15:17:07] | iamlindoro: | parses the audio tracks mostly properly, easily swapped in the nice GUI menu, respectable speed, etc. |
| [15:17:49] | gbee: | oh and dual-core |
| [15:22:04] | iamlindoro: | In the absence of a simple way to a) determine encoding options and b) explain them to new people, bitrate + codec aren't bad indicators so long as you realize they're basic guidelines and not hard and fast rules |
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| [15:42:44] | AndyCap: | how many different common profiles are there? |
| [15:47:12] | janneg: | ffmpeg -debug 1 -i bbc_hd_sample_20081114.mpeg -t 1 -f null -an /dev/null 2>&1 | grep "][sp]ps" | sort | uniq |
| [15:47:39] | janneg: | will give at least basic information for h264 |
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| [15:59:13] | gbee: | however you need a post-graduate degree to understand the output |
| [16:02:13] | AndyCap: | in quantumcompressology? |
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| [16:14:10] | olejl: | I am experiencing some problems during playback lately. I am not sure if it is due to my new GPU or mythtv update. Every now and then the playback freezes for a short time befor it continues. |
| [16:14:30] | olejl: | It has happend both in LiveTV and DVD playback. |
| [16:15:26] | olejl: | Have anyone else experienced this? |
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| [16:19:20] | gom: | hi all |
| [16:19:30] | iamlindoro_: | gom: bitrate is the expression of space used per unit of time (usually expressed in Kilobits per second). Very VERY generally speaking, a higher bitrate will translate to higher quality |
| [16:19:30] | gom: | any mytharchive guru here ? I'm trying to customize encoder_profiles |
| [16:19:53] | gom: | and I don't understand what the <bitrate> value stands for in the xml file |
| [16:20:03] | gom: | thx iamlindoro_ |
| [16:20:14] | gom: | I know what the bitrate generally is |
| [16:20:37] | gom: | I set the value I calculated in the -b parameter |
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| [16:21:14] | olejl: | I have tried -v playback (on the frontend), but there is nothing there. Is there any other verbose messages I could enable? |
| [16:21:16] | gom: | BUT there is another field which I guess is used to calculate the space required in mytharchive plugin |
| [16:24:16] | gom: | I don't understand how this number was calculated for SP, LP etc profiles |
| [16:24:45] | gom: | sounds to be approx. half of the bitrate value passed to ffmpeg |
| [16:25:09] | gom: | but it's less than the half :-( |
| [16:25:34] | clever: | dont forget that the audio bitrate takes up space too in the end file |
| [16:26:24] | gom: | right, I though initially it could differ from the ffmpeg's bitrate by the ac3 bitrate |
| [16:26:52] | gom: | I mean "mythburn" BR = video BR + ac3 BR |
| [16:27:16] | gom: | but "mythburn" BR is less than half of video BR, so... |
| [16:27:33] | clever: | i dont have any hardware ac3 decoders:( |
| [16:28:11] | gom: | for example, SP (2 hours/DVD) gives video BR=4771, mythburn value 2096.63 |
| [16:28:57] | gom: | LP (4 hours/DVD) gives video BR=2344, mythburn value=1030.07 |
| [16:29:12] | clever: | i couldnt stand a wastefull 2hours/disk |
| [16:29:23] | gom: | see /usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/encoder_profiles/ffmpeg_dvd_pal.xml |
| [16:29:27] | clever: | i can get 12hours/disk with some of the unmentionable files i get |
| [16:29:28] | gom: | me either :-) |
| [16:29:36] | gom: | wow |
| [16:29:47] | iamlindoro_: | 2 hours would be a painfully low bitrate... 12.. ugh |
| [16:29:49] | clever: | ~170mb/episode, 25 per disk |
| [16:29:59] | gom: | on my side I prefer sticking w/ no re-encoding when possible |
| [16:30:09] | gom: | (dvb-T) |
| [16:30:14] | clever: | ah |
| [16:30:28] | clever: | analog here, mpeg2/4 on disk |
| [16:31:19] | gom: | do you have an idea of how the mythburn value is calculated from the real video/audio bitrates ? |
| [16:32:12] | gom: | it really should go into the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArch . . . _profiles.3F |
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| [16:43:39] | sphery: | Wow. "Stupid Myth uses cell-phone input." "Hit enter, then type normally on your keyboard." "I know I can do that, but I don't want to look at a pop-up keyboard that does nothing except [make Myth work the way I want]." Geesh. Complain much? |
| [16:44:12] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: doooooouuuuuchebags |
| [16:44:57] | jams: | someone should suggest using a keyboard |
| [16:46:46] | gbee: | I'd generally agree with that viewpoint, since it annoys me just as much – no such text entry in mythui |
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| [16:47:41] | gbee: | it was only used in a handful of places anyway and most of those were inappropriate – e.g. Year and track number fields in mythmusic, where you want numbers to enter numbers, not letters |
| [16:49:47] | ** GreyFoxx keeps checking the -dev list in anticipation ** | |
| [16:49:58] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Forget that, I'm checking the Fry's ads |
| [16:50:26] | GreyFoxx: | well I have an 8400 and 8500 so I'm sure those would be capable :) |
| [16:51:01] | GreyFoxx: | Wonder if someone will write a common middleman layer so all the various apps to can avoid writing several different api's |
| [16:51:20] | iamlindoro_: | That would be great |
| [16:51:36] | GreyFoxx: | Or maybe there is something out there now that can be adapted |
| [16:51:41] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: yeah, sounds like it's gonna be CUVID based |
| [16:54:16] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . au&num=1 |
| [16:54:19] | iamlindoro_: | beter discussion |
| [16:54:21] | iamlindoro_: | er better |
| [16:56:30] | GreyFoxx: | thx |
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| [16:57:53] | sphery: | gbee: I agree that the cell-phone input style is not very nice, but it was his response to a solution that works /now/ that was upsetting--is it really so bad to have a pop-up keyboard on screen? And, because I knew you were taking it out of mythui, I didn't even give the standard response which is usually the cause for upsetting them/invoking complain-y responses--"patches accepted." |
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| [17:00:28] | sphery: | gom: was http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythArch . . . _profiles.3F already there? r14713 of trunk is part of 0.21 (and 0.21-fixes), now. |
| [17:00:50] | gbee: | sphery: not justifying anyone complaining like that |
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| [17:02:33] | sphery: | Yeah, between that and the guy who wants to know which recordings on the LVM on his MBE are on his MBE, I just think I must be speaking some other lanugage from the one used on the list because I'm just not understanding. |
| [17:02:59] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: let's not forget the guy who wants help preventing his SBE from talking to his MBE |
| [17:03:35] | sphery: | ah, yes... that too. |
| [17:04:33] | sphery: | so, do you get what this guy is asking? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/357122#357122 (kind of requires reading responses, so feel free to ignore if you don't want to waste the time) |
| [17:06:12] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I *think* he's using bad phrasing in saying "1 logical volume" |
| [17:06:31] | iamlindoro_: | as in, he has multiple storage dirs, he's using it more in the sense of "that one time" or "that one disk" |
| [17:06:41] | sphery: | though he sounds like he understands the process of LVM shrinking ("I should be able to start migrating files off the Physical Volume which resides on the HDD I want to remove."), but the only thing I can think of that unanswered for him is, "How do I know which recordings LVM decided to place on a specific hard disk in the logical volume" |
| [17:07:39] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like he has one storage dir on the MBE, and others on the SBE, and the recordings exist across both, and wants to know which he should move by looking in mythweb? |
| [17:07:45] | iamlindoro_: | maybe? |
| [17:08:00] | iamlindoro_: | but I've only read half the thread and my brain started to sizzle |
| [17:08:14] | sphery: | yeah, mine did long ago, too |
| [17:08:28] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/357277#357277 really makes no sense to me |
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| [17:08:54] | sphery: | "Sorry if I confused you. I meant that everything on the MBE is in 1 Logical Volume. I set this box up before mythtv could manage recordings over multiple directories on the same machine. To be clear, there are mythtv recordings on the MBE and on the SBE." |
| [17:09:30] | gom: | sphery, yep this entry is already in the wiki, and it work on my setup |
| [17:09:45] | gom: | I need help on editing the contents of this file ! |
| [17:09:46] | sphery: | and he wants to shrink the MBE's LVM, so any recording he deletes will shrink the total used space on that LVM... |
| [17:10:12] | sphery: | gom: I'll edit it. Thanks--just didn't know where that came from. |
| [17:10:58] | gom: | cool thx a lot |
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| [17:11:40] | sphery: | thanks for helping to find a (sorely-)out-of-date entry in the wiki. :) |
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| [17:17:24] | gom: | no prob |
| [17:18:23] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: Re: OFDB discussion in -dev.... Any thought to adding a "this movie not found at ofdb-- would you like to submit info" sort of thing to MythVideo? |
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| [17:18:57] | iamlindoro_: | With the army of Myth users out there, most common films would probably be submitted in a few short months if it could be done straight from MythTV |
| [17:19:55] | Anduin: | iamlindoro_: Would love to but probably not for the next release, too much to do (a lot of UI work involved with submissions, classifying "grabber" scripts, etc) |
| [17:20:09] | iamlindoro_: | Anduin: I gotcha |
| [17:21:03] | sid3windr: | poor organic food database, polluted with movies |
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| [17:22:00] | Anduin: | I have a post elopement party that will suck up any mythtv time this weekend, so only a month behind schedule now *hopes for no push for a release* |
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| [17:40:10] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: I'd also like to see that, I briefly considered adding more metadata editing to mythvideo so that users could add/edit the plot etc |
| [17:41:00] | gbee: | being able to edit the plot would be a great start, it's one of those things I miss most from my brief use of mythvideo |
| [17:41:46] | iamlindoro_: | Man, myth is downright *exciting* these days |
| [17:41:54] | iamlindoro_: | both directly and in associated technology |
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| [18:02:59] | msaul: | I was wondering if someone could help me get my hauppauge video capture card working on my Mybuntu 8.10 distro |
| [18:03:22] | msaul: | I compiled kernel for cx18 and got firmware and followed instructions |
| [18:03:40] | msaul: | dmesg | grep cx18 indicates card is detected. |
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| [18:04:39] | msaul: | When I configured capture card in Mythtv setup and set for MPEG 2 PVR 500, I can't see /dev/video0 selection and indicates "probe failed"... any suggestions? |
| [18:05:09] | msaul: | Card works because it scans and runs in WinDoze... |
| [18:12:39] | C0p3rn1c: | msaul: your card is not installed properly, come to #linuxtv |
| [18:13:08] | C0p3rn1c: | this channel is for MythTV support only |
| [18:15:22] | iamlindoro_: | That card would be supported in #v4l, actually |
| [18:15:26] | iamlindoro_: | as it's analog |
| [18:15:45] | C0p3rn1c: | ic |
| [18:15:55] | iamlindoro_: | I do somewhat wonder what the point of using Mythbuntu is if you're going to go compiling cutom kernels for cards that are supported out of the box |
| [18:16:47] | C0p3rn1c: | I think my card is installed correctly btw |
| [18:17:08] | C0p3rn1c: | my saa7134 card, the analoge side anyways |
| [18:17:22] | C0p3rn1c: | and my sound works now, but I only get static |
| [18:17:50] | C0p3rn1c: | and messed up black and white image again http://share.ovi.com/media/c0p3rn1c.public/c0p3rn1c.10104 |
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| [18:18:45] | iamlindoro_: | That's not a black and white image, that's snow |
| [18:18:56] | iamlindoro_: | and the double image comes from using an ATI video card and bob deinterlace |
| [18:19:32] | iamlindoro_: | so go to Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page three, and edit the second page of each rule and use something besides Bob deinterlace |
| [18:19:38] | iamlindoro_: | then you'll have a single image of snow |
| [18:20:14] | C0p3rn1c: | ok I'll try |
| [18:20:26] | C0p3rn1c: | VideoOverlay is on btw |
| [18:20:59] | C0p3rn1c: | OpenGloOverlay is off and TexturedVideo on |
| [18:21:09] | gbee: | C0p3rn1c: VideoOverlay option doesn't apply to recent drivers, it was replaced with TexturedVideo On |
| [18:21:23] | C0p3rn1c: | ah ok |
| [18:21:52] | gbee: | that snow just means that it's not tuned to a channel |
| [18:22:08] | gbee: | as it would on a normal tv |
| [18:22:08] | C0p3rn1c: | but I did do a scan |
| [18:22:34] | gbee: | well it's locked on a low quality signal peak |
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| [18:24:05] | gbee: | try another channel |
| [18:24:09] | C0p3rn1c: | I did |
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| [18:24:16] | C0p3rn1c: | I do get a signal in tvtime |
| [18:24:29] | C0p3rn1c: | but also static with the command : arecord -D hw:1,0 -r 32000 -c 2 -f S16_LE | aplay - |
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| [18:33:26] | C0p3rn1c: | iamlindoro_: if I set it on "one field" |
| [18:33:29] | C0p3rn1c: | is that ok? |
| [18:34:21] | iamlindoro_: | That's okay (although not my preferred deinterlacer) |
| [18:34:36] | iamlindoro_: | If you want low CPU use, you can try linear blend |
| [18:34:38] | dustybin: | is it possible to put a .avi file into a new .avi container, similar to how one can make a new .mkv container with mkvmerge? |
| [18:34:44] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [18:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg -i inflie.avi -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.avi |
| [18:35:00] | dustybin: | ace :) |
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| [18:36:37] | C0p3rn1c: | iamlindoro_: that fixed it, now I only have that noise picture once |
| [18:37:02] | C0p3rn1c: | I'll try to rescan for tv-channels |
| [18:37:12] | iamlindoro_: | Make sure you set the frequency table right |
| [18:37:36] | C0p3rn1c: | ok |
| [18:37:52] | iamlindoro_: | It's still a waste of a DVB card to be scanning/using the framegrabber, though |
| [18:38:11] | iamlindoro_: | I would be putting my energies into getting the DVB side working, personally |
| [18:38:20] | C0p3rn1c: | I really tried |
| [18:38:26] | C0p3rn1c: | dident got it to work |
| [18:38:36] | iamlindoro_: | or just buy a decent card that will work properly without the wrangling |
| [18:38:46] | C0p3rn1c: | http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m42430645 |
| [18:38:47] | iamlindoro_: | That card is guaranteed to cause you problems and frustrations |
| [18:39:09] | C0p3rn1c: | v4l-dvb is that digital or not ? |
| [18:39:15] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [18:39:47] | C0p3rn1c: | ok well I installed mercurial |
| [18:39:52] | C0p3rn1c: | dident help |
| [18:40:29] | iamlindoro_: | mercurial is just the version control system, why would that help? |
| [18:40:38] | iamlindoro_: | or do you mean you installed v4l-dvb tip? |
| [18:40:55] | C0p3rn1c: | yeah like on the page I just send |
| [18:40:57] | iamlindoro_: | (which, according to those commands, you also did) |
| [18:41:09] | C0p3rn1c: | yes |
| [18:41:19] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I would guess that some numbskull just said that card was supported in the wiki and was wrong |
| [18:41:22] | iamlindoro_: | buy a decent card |
| [18:41:41] | iamlindoro_: | like I said before, a 6 euro card will give you 6 euro worth of TV |
| [18:42:18] | C0p3rn1c: | so I tell my friend to buy a new printer and a new tv-tuner because they don't work with linux |
| [18:42:34] | iamlindoro_: | more or less |
| [18:42:43] | C0p3rn1c: | maybe he will do that but I doubt it |
| [18:42:53] | C0p3rn1c: | because it works fine on his windows system |
| [18:42:53] | iamlindoro_: | Then he won't be watching DVB :) |
| [18:43:03] | iamlindoro_: | or he can use Windows, that's fine too |
| [18:43:21] | C0p3rn1c: | I wanted him to use linux, because it's safer |
| [18:43:32] | C0p3rn1c: | no chance of getting a virus and spyware |
| [18:43:56] | C0p3rn1c: | no real chance anyways |
| [18:43:59] | iamlindoro_: | Then he can buy hardware that's supported. |
| [18:44:20] | AndyCap: | C0p3rn1c: it's also even safer to not use a computer at all, but no use if it doesn't do what you need done. |
| [18:44:22] | C0p3rn1c: | does convertx work well with linux ? |
| [18:45:32] | iamlindoro_: | It works. How well is anyone's guess, very few people using them |
| [18:46:25] | C0p3rn1c: | but I shouldnt stare blind on mp4 I understand |
| [18:46:34] | C0p3rn1c: | divx |
| [18:46:45] | C0p3rn1c: | so what would you recommend for mythtv? |
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| [18:47:01] | iamlindoro_: | Just buy a 30 euro DVB-T card and be done with it. Something from Hauppauge. A WinTV Nova-T or Nova-T 500. |
| [18:47:48] | C0p3rn1c: | ok but if you want to save hdspace, so you can record more, wouldnt divx be better? |
| [18:48:23] | iamlindoro_: | If you are going to use an analog card, get a PVR-150 or PVR-500 |
| [18:48:34] | C0p3rn1c: | with a hardware mp4 chip, so no load for the processor |
| [18:48:50] | C0p3rn1c: | I just want whats best for mythtv |
| [18:48:51] | iamlindoro_: | c0p3rn1c: what is it you think DVB does? |
| [18:49:03] | iamlindoro_: | a Plextor ConvertX is *not* what's best for Myth |
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| [18:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | DVB is practically no load on the processor. A PVR-150 or 500 is practically no load on the processor. |
| [18:49:33] | C0p3rn1c: | but the output is mpeg2? |
| [18:49:36] | iamlindoro_: | DVB is encoded at the source (broadcaster). PVR-150s and 500s have hardware encoders and are actually used by people. |
| [18:49:54] | iamlindoro_: | c0p3rn1c: so what? if you are doing analog (PVR-150/500) you can set the bitrate. |
| [18:50:04] | iamlindoro_: | if you do DVB you can transcode automatically after recording. |
| [18:50:12] | iamlindoro_: | If you want quality, get DVB. |
| [18:50:25] | iamlindoro_: | If you want low quality but adjustable bitrate get a PVR-150. |
| [18:50:38] | iamlindoro_: | If you want more hardware practically nobody uses that will possibly suck, get a ConvertX |
| [18:51:08] | iamlindoro_: | It's like you're *trying* to choose the worst options or something. |
| [18:52:17] | C0p3rn1c: | wouldnt you say that on the fly hardware trancoding is a nice feature ? |
| [18:52:38] | iamlindoro_: | c0p3rn1c: converting analog to divx is NOT on the fly transcoding |
| [18:52:42] | iamlindoro_: | it's *encoding* |
| [18:52:57] | iamlindoro_: | you are really raising my blood pressure here |
| [18:52:59] | C0p3rn1c: | (just tell me if I violate the rooms code of conduct) |
| [18:53:05] | AndyCap: | C0p3rn1c: http://xkcd.com/463/ |
| [18:53:08] | gbee: | the disk space argument is kinda flawed, a 500Gb drive is probably equivalent to what you're proposing to spend on hardware mp4 encoding – for mpeg 2 that's a minimum of 250 hours of tv, or a week and a halfs worth |
| [18:53:47] | gbee: | in reality most channels broadcast below that bitrate, so 2 or more weeks |
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| [18:54:25] | C0p3rn1c: | AndyCap: lol |
| [18:55:06] | iamlindoro_: | I will go on record saying that a ConvertX is a *bad* idea for Myth. |
| [18:55:10] | gbee: | when would you have time to sit down, do nothing but watch TV for two weeks? Ignoring everything that's also going to be shown in those two weeks, which depending on tastes might be another 14–20 hours of material? |
| [18:55:19] | C0p3rn1c: | iamlindoro_: I dident mean to raise your blood pressure, take it easy, I just want to learn :) |
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| [18:57:40] | iamlindoro_: | c0p3rn1c: Learning is one thing, contradicting is another |
| [18:58:41] | gbee: | C0p3rn1c: do you intend to transfer recordings to your iPhone, PSP or similar? |
| [18:58:55] | C0p3rn1c: | iamlindoro_: yes |
| [18:59:05] | C0p3rn1c: | gbee:idd |
| [18:59:17] | iamlindoro_: | c0p3rn1c: points to note: I have, in a half decade of using myth, met one person using a convertx. Divx is inherently low quality compared to the original source. You would need to use an external tuner as it has none of its own. You could make original DVB recordings into divx with little CPU at much higher quality. It is a *bad* choice of device. |
| [19:00:25] | ** gbee wonders what idd means ** | |
| [19:00:34] | C0p3rn1c: | indeed |
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| [19:01:22] | C0p3rn1c: | iamlindoro: little cpu? |
| [19:02:12] | iamlindoro_: | c0p3rn1c: Transcoding to divx similar to what the convertx would put out would be trivial for any relatively modern processor |
| [19:02:26] | iamlindoro_: | it is an *easy* transcode |
| [19:02:35] | iamlindoro_: | like, a couple of minutes for a 30 minute show easy |
| [19:03:06] | C0p3rn1c: | for example it takes my pc 1 or 2 hours to convert a xvid movie to a dvd |
| [19:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | That's different. |
| [19:04:24] | iamlindoro_: | converting from != converting to |
| [19:04:59] | C0p3rn1c: | without writing it to dvd |
| [19:05:05] | olejl: | I'm using EIT to get program info. The problem is that each channel transmits current and next program. I read on the wiki that DVB-S usually transmit as a separate stream. Does MythTV support this? |
| [19:05:32] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you are truly wasting my time now, I think you are just trolling and being argumentative, buy what you want, I will just laugh at you if you buy something completely wacky just because you don't understand the basic concepts |
| [19:05:37] | olejl: | *separate stream with more than current and next |
| [19:07:02] | gbee: | olejl: only if it's a broadcaster we already know about since they all do things differently |
| [19:07:17] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: Myth supports EIT in DVB-S... I think to say that most/all DVB-S uses a different channel for EIT may be inaccurate-- sure they're not talking about bizarre proprietary implementations like Dish network? |
| [19:07:27] | iamlindoro_: | whoops, gbee beat me to it |
| [19:07:29] | gbee: | in the case of FreeSat in the UK for example, they broadcast on all multiplexes, but with their own huffman compression |
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| [19:07:56] | sphery: | I've never seen idd = indeed. I could imagine, though saying, "de yes ed" :) |
| [19:08:32] | gbee: | iamlindoro_ is right to point out that you can't generalise that they all work this way, in fact I can only think of one or two |
| [19:08:34] | iamlindoro_: | "Note that VDPAU does not address content protection." hee hee |
| [19:09:19] | olejl: | Does anybody know I can find out how my broadcaster does it? http://www.showtimearabia.com |
| [19:09:35] | jams: | iamlindoro- i have a convertX it sits on the shelf next to other hardware i don't use |
| [19:09:57] | iamlindoro_: | jams: Heh... anything I said inaccurate/anything you'd care to add? |
| [19:10:06] | jams: | not at all. |
| [19:10:21] | iamlindoro_: | K. |
| [19:10:38] | sphery: | I haven't used ConvertX, but I fully agree that large hard drives and no transcoding is the way to go. |
| [19:10:40] | jams: | To be honest the thing I hated most about that device was that it required alsa for the device driver |
| [19:10:57] | olejl: | I have a Humax DVB-S receiver, and when I hit Guide I can access 7 days of program information |
| [19:11:38] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: I don't know a way to tell, but odds are it would be a standard sort of implementation and would be fine in Myth |
| [19:12:31] | C0p3rn1c: | iamlindoro: I wasnt trolling i just have an other opinion, and I hate encoding stuff later |
| [19:13:00] | olejl: | iamlindoro, because it is not work "out of the box" is there anything I need to enable? |
| [19:13:09] | olejl: | *working |
| [19:13:20] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: Just "use on-air guide" in video sources should make it work if myth can grok it |
| [19:13:37] | gbee: | olejl: start by making sure you include all scanned channels – don't delete any since they may carry the longer term EIT |
| [19:13:39] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: just be aware that myth takes some time to trigger the EIT scan and it might be a while before the program data is populated |
| [19:13:59] | jblack: | has eit gotten any better over the last year or two in the US? |
| [19:14:04] | gbee: | if that works, then you can experiment |
| [19:14:11] | gbee: | jblack: doubt it |
| [19:14:13] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [19:14:25] | iamlindoro_: | And there's no move to improve it, so I doubt it ever will |
| [19:14:37] | jblack: | Yeah. Too useful to be worth the effort. :( |
| [19:15:28] | olejl: | iamlindoro, at the moment I have disabled all channels I don't use regularly. The current/next is working. That probably mean that I have disabled the one that contains the longer term EIT. |
| [19:16:07] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: Sounds like-- looks like gbee is giving you good advice, I'd do that |
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| [19:17:24] | gbee: | think it really hurts you guys that there are so many disperate broadcasters, competition is healthy but not when it happens at the expense of quality and cooperation |
| [19:17:44] | olejl: | Yes the problem was that things took a looong time to finish... Since when I push Guide butten on a standard Humax thing are working. I was just hoping that I could save some time if I could tell which channel containd the thing I need |
| [19:18:21] | iamlindoro_: | olejl: probably not easily, I guess |
| [19:18:25] | gbee: | ATSC, shitty EIT, QAM256, NTSC .... I feel for ya, I really do |
| [19:18:51] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: don't forget, mmmmmmmmmmm MPEG2 |
| [19:18:56] | olejl: | iamlindoro, gbee Thanks alot for your advices, I will try your approx. |
| [19:19:16] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Although in fairness there's nothing wrong with QAM256 |
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| [19:20:50] | gbee: | there's nothing wrong with DVB-C ;) |
| [19:21:30] | iamlindoro_: | DVB-C uses QAM |
| [19:21:51] | iamlindoro_: | including 256 |
| [19:22:02] | directhex: | dvb-c is fine. if only people actually acknowledged the idea of aftermarket boxes, and sold CAMs |
| [19:22:30] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: not the same thing – QAM256 isn't DVB-C using 256 QAM |
| [19:23:53] | gbee: | just to confuse things, they picked a marketing name based on the modulation but which has little to do with the standard it describes |
| [19:25:13] | gbee: | all DVB uses QAM – it's simply the wave pattern, DVB is the how the data itself is organised |
| [19:25:38] | gbee: | from what I'm told QAM256 is some mix of ATSC and DVB |
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| [19:26:08] | iamlindoro_: | Erm.. I've never heard QAM256 used as a marketing term |
| [19:26:46] | iamlindoro_: | QAM256 has always been used strictly to describe the modulation as far as I've seen |
| [19:26:55] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: TVs etc are sold as QAM compatible, no? |
| [19:27:26] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yes, so? Referring to the modulation used by the cable provider. |
| [19:27:58] | gbee: | so they support DVB? ;) |
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| [19:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | No, but DVB isn't QAM any more than QAM is DVB |
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| [19:29:47] | gbee: | aye, QAM is a modulation it's not a standard – which is what I'm saying – putting "QAM compatible" on a TV means nothing useful – my TV is QAM compatible, can my TV be plugged directly into US cable? (no) |
| [19:30:23] | RyeBrye: | my TV has QAM and ATSC tuners, and I can plug it directly into US cable... but it's a US TV |
| [19:31:32] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: right, but vice versa-- but the problem isn't QAM, it's the difference between DVB-C and the digicipher-II-type-thing |
| [19:32:02] | gbee: | yeah, it's just a mis-use of the term QAM IMHO, it's a marketing thing, it's like saying that my TV uses radio waves – well all of them do, it's meaningless |
| [19:32:21] | iamlindoro_: | fair enough |
| [19:32:35] | RyeBrye: | Wait. TV uses Radio waves? But how does it get the image if it is just using radio! ;) |
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| [19:33:12] | iamlindoro_: | Just making the point that "QAM256" isn't something we use as a marketing term, really-- and it's not the US-homegrown-standard thing the others are-- Digicipher II is that (versus DVB-C) |
| [19:33:31] | iamlindoro_: | So you can blame Digicipher :) |
| [19:34:00] | gbee: | This car uses a deritive of crude oil ... instead of Diesel, Petrol, LPG etc |
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| [19:34:55] | gbee: | anyway, can't believe I just argued that rather worthless point for so long ;) |
| [19:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Cable in EU = DVB-C using QAM modulation. Cable in the US = (mostly) Digicipher II using QAM modulation. So QAM itself is blameless, that's all I'm getting at :) |
| [19:35:12] | iamlindoro_: | sorry to have dragged it out |
| [19:35:26] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: so really those TVs should read "Digicipher II compatible" |
| [19:35:30] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Yeah |
| [19:36:00] | jams: | last time i buy these screen cleaning wipes. They do nothing but leave streaks behind. |
| [19:36:01] | iamlindoro_: | I think we were just agreeing in different terms, anyway |
| [19:36:17] | iamlindoro_: | jams: So stop buying the refurbs |
| [19:36:32] | jams: | iamlindoro- they were on sale |
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| [19:36:55] | jams: | fellowes brand |
| [19:36:56] | iamlindoro_: | "Ma Kettle's refurbished wet naps-- re-wet in natural spring water." |
| [19:36:57] | gbee: | my last batch of wipes did the same, they also dried out before I could use more than a 1/3 |
| [19:37:21] | gbee: | individually packaged wipes ftw |
| [19:37:49] | jams: | purchased three containers of the things. Mabye they are good for cleaning the keyboard or something |
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| [19:40:00] | jams: | iamlindoro- what are the specs for your test machine? |
| [19:40:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: just to add one final point, correct use of QAM is 16-QAM, 64-QAM, 256-QAM etc, QAM256 is entirely used in reference to US cable hence why I describe it as a marketing term, it's a non-standard naming scheme used for one particular implementation |
| [19:40:10] | gbee: | feel free to slap me |
| [19:40:37] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: hahahah |
| [19:40:55] | gbee: | so ... haven't got any work done on mythtv this last week :( |
| [19:41:04] | iamlindoro_: | jams: My spare? Hmm, C2D E4500, 2 GB RAM, 320 GB HDD |
| [19:41:32] | jams: | tuners & video card? |
| [19:41:47] | iamlindoro_: | Kworld 115 and Geforce 7xxx-something-cheap |
| [19:42:12] | jams: | thanks |
| [19:42:13] | gbee: | like the way you called it your spare ... is it kept in a cupboard to be brought out when another fails? |
| [19:42:49] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Used to be the SBE/upstairs frontend, got swapped for the Dell Hybrid Studio :) |
| [19:44:05] | olejl: | Anyone have an SQL command I can use to update all useonairguide to 1 in channel table? |
| [19:45:38] | gbee: | UPDATE channel SET useonairguide=1; |
| [19:47:27] | olejl: | thanks |
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| [20:09:36] | jmichels1n: | I am having trouble getting anything but avi files to show up in my myth database, its like it doesnt recognize the divx, mp4 or other vid files as videos, any ideas? |
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| [20:16:44] | jblack: | There's an option in the setup to define what's acceptable. |
| [20:19:56] | gom: | bye all |
| [20:20:11] | gom: | sphery, I'll keep an eye on the wiki ;_) |
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| [20:53:12] | jams: | sphery- you around |
| [20:54:27] | sphery: | am now |
| [20:54:58] | iamlindoro_: | looks like VDPAU has trouble beyond h.264 profile 4.1... all my Bluray is 4.1 profile, hopefully it's not on the cusp |
| [20:55:16] | jams: | yesterday you mentioned that $PREFIX/share/mythtv was the proper spot for mysql.txt vs /etc any major reason for that? |
| [20:56:19] | iamlindoro_: | Those little 9-series IGPs are starting to look like nice potential frontend boxes |
| [20:56:21] | sphery: | jams: mainly there should be only one mysql.txt on the entire system since it's deprecated |
| [20:56:46] | sphery: | the only reason to have the one is because it's used as a fallback when config.xml fails to work. |
| [20:56:53] | jams: | right, just curious why you like that spot vs /etc. |
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| [20:57:03] | inordkuo: | hello all..been struggling for a little while now trying to install trunk on a clean install of ibex |
| [20:57:42] | sphery: | mainly because that's where the installation puts it. Packagers could move it if they want, but putting it in /etc--with the system config files--tends to make the users think changing it is the proper way of configuring Myth. :) |
| [20:57:51] | jams: | hehe |
| [20:58:11] | jams: | i also prefer share/mythtv but that seems to be the minority |
| [20:58:24] | sphery: | inordkuo: guessing ibex = some Ubuntu thing... Any reason you're not using MythBuntu? |
| [20:58:34] | inordkuo: | i hope i am just missing a dependency but i get an error after 'put_h264_qpel4_h_lowpass_3dnow' |
| [20:58:46] | sphery: | compiling? |
| [20:58:49] | inordkuo: | i have an hdpvr |
| [20:58:56] | sphery: | Oh, compiling trunk, then... |
| [20:59:12] | inordkuo: | i was running ubuntu 8.04 with trunk |
| [20:59:23] | iamlindoro_: | The error in question would probably help, rather than where it is :) |
| [20:59:36] | sphery: | Sorry, then, I can't help with HD-PVR support--don't have one, so haven't waded through the pile o' patches. |
| [20:59:57] | inordkuo: | ah yes...sorry bout that. error" can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' |
| [21:00:05] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Strictly speaking no patching is necessary to make work *period*, but there are various issues addressed by one or two patches that are advisable |
| [21:00:10] | inordkuo: | it's not really hd-pvr related |
| [21:00:15] | sphery: | jams: so it sounds like you and I just have to change the world to our way of thinking. :) |
| [21:00:32] | inordkuo: | i had it working after upgrading from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 |
| [21:00:42] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: oh I dunno, makes perfect sense to me |
| [21:01:06] | sphery: | inordkuo: 32-bit or 64-bit (and you are running GNU/Linux, right, not some fruit-flavored OS or anything) |
| [21:01:10] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: what distro do you use for backend? |
| [21:01:12] | inordkuo: | but some there was some funky stuff going on so i wiped it and reinstalled clean |
| [21:01:13] | inordkuo: | 32bit |
| [21:01:16] | jams: | sphery- i have given up on that, my opinions seem to be discounted rather quickly some days. |
| [21:01:32] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: Ubuntu |
| [21:01:36] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [21:01:51] | sphery: | jams: that's the curse of always being right--people decide to disagree just because they're jealous |
| [21:01:52] | inordkuo: | iamlindoro: i am running ubuntu 8.10 32 bit |
| [21:02:10] | sulx: | ubuntu gives me gas... |
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| [21:02:57] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: dunno, apt-get build-dep mythtv && apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-sql-mysql libmp3lame-dev pulled in all deps for me |
| [21:03:07] | iamlindoro_: | And as recently as this morning it all compiled fine for me |
| [21:03:29] | iamlindoro_: | no fancy footwork needed |
| [21:03:41] | sphery: | inordkuo: the error is likely due to using the wrong flags with configure (i.e. specifying arch/march/tune/cpu/...). Generally, you should just say, --enable-proc-opt and let configure figure out all the other CPU-related stuff... |
| [21:04:05] | iamlindoro_: | ^^ Yes, that works for me |
| [21:04:21] | inordkuo: | the only thing i've changed is disabling xmvc |
| [21:04:27] | inordkuo: | maybe that has something to do with it |
| [21:04:50] | sphery: | so your configure line is: ./configure --disable-xvmc |
| [21:05:00] | iamlindoro_: | You didn't do anything silly like --enable-x264 did you? |
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| [21:06:01] | inordkuo: | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --enable-opengl-vsync --enable-proc-opt --disable-xvmc --enable-libfaad --enable-libfftw3 --enable-opengl-video |
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| [21:07:50] | iamlindoro_: | and no patches applied? |
| [21:08:03] | inordkuo: | no...must be a dependancy |
| [21:08:06] | iamlindoro_: | which file in particular is failing? |
| [21:08:14] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin the whole shebang |
| [21:09:25] | inordkuo: | i386/h264dsp_mmx.c: In function âput_h264_qpel4_h_lowpass_3dnowâ: |
| [21:09:25] | inordkuo: | i386/h264dsp_mmx.c:1891: error: can't find a register in class âGENERAL_REGSâ while reloading âasmâ |
| [21:09:25] | inordkuo: | i386/h264dsp_mmx.c:1891: error: âasmâ operand has impossible constraints |
| [21:09:25] | inordkuo: | make[2]: *** [dsputil_mmx.o] Error 1 |
| [21:09:25] | inordkuo: | make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/inorkuo/mythtv_build/mythtv/libs/libavcodec' |
| [21:09:26] | inordkuo: | make[1]: *** [sub-libavcodec] Error 2 |
| [21:09:28] | inordkuo: | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/inorkuo/mythtv_build/mythtv/libs' |
| [21:09:30] | inordkuo: | make: *** [sub-libs] Error 2 |
| [21:09:34] | inordkuo: | oops |
| [21:09:36] | inordkuo: | sorry everyone |
| [21:11:00] | iamlindoro_: | so much for pastebin |
| [21:11:28] | iamlindoro_: | you haven't installed ffmpeg from source on this box, have you? |
| [21:11:47] | inordkuo: | not at first |
| [21:11:50] | inordkuo: | but then the make failed |
| [21:11:55] | inordkuo: | so i figured i'd give that a shot |
| [21:11:58] | iamlindoro_: | myth doesn't use external ffmpeg |
| [21:12:18] | iamlindoro_: | but if you have it installed from source it can pull in some wrong copies of headers and get confused |
| [21:12:26] | iamlindoro_: | so the idea is to *not* have source ffmpeg installed |
| [21:12:42] | kormoc: | Are you using -trunk ot -fixes? |
| [21:12:50] | inordkuo: | ok i did a checkinstall so uninstall should be easy |
| [21:13:29] | iamlindoro_: | kormoc: I believe he's compiling trunk |
| [21:13:35] | iamlindoro_: | (for HD-PVR support) |
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| [21:14:19] | inordkuo: | ok i just overwrote ffmpeg and x264 with ubuntu's packages |
| [21:14:20] | kormoc: | might want to try going back a week or two. Wasn't there new ASM committed for something x86_64? |
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| [21:15:05] | inordkuo: | kormoc i tried rolling back to 19024 which i had running on ibex...it has to be a dependency thing....brb |
| [21:16:13] | sulx: | 19088 is working fine |
| [21:21:23] | inordkuo: | iamlindoro: so there is no benefit for the hdpvr to use svn ffmpeg and x264? |
| [21:21:56] | iamlindoro_: | none whatsoever as far as myth in concerned as it uses neither |
| [21:22:07] | iamlindoro_: | er is con... |
| [21:22:13] | inordkuo: | haha ok thanks |
| [21:22:15] | inordkuo: | good to know |
| [21:22:53] | inordkuo: | thanks for the help..i'm starting over with a make clean and distclean |
| [21:23:11] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [21:25:36] | inordkuo: | dang..same thing |
| [21:27:01] | inordkuo: | apt-get build-dep mythtv && apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-sql-mysql libmp3lame-dev tells me something about liblame-dev being replaced by libmp3lame-dev |
| [21:27:16] | inordkuo: | but i have libmp3lame-dev installed |
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| [21:28:26] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: build-dep mythtv will list all the packages *besides* libmp3lame that need installing if it needs more |
| [21:28:34] | iamlindoro_: | apt-get build-dep mythtv, that is |
| [21:28:54] | iamlindoro_: | so if it lists anything but the complaint about libmp3lame-dev, you need to install those packages |
| [21:28:56] | inordkuo: | yea it did and i installed them |
| [21:29:46] | iamlindoro_: | fine, then do the apt-get install libqt4-dev libqt4-sql-mysql libmp3lame-dev too and you should have all the deps you need |
| [21:30:39] | inordkuo: | all there |
| [21:30:44] | iamlindoro_: | then it's not a dep issue |
| [21:32:08] | inordkuo: | i had a running list of dependencies i was going by but your command is much easier |
| [21:32:23] | inordkuo: | could it be a qt3 vs qt4 thing? |
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| [21:33:59] | iamlindoro_: | nope, those are pretty obvious. But you should pastebin about 20 more lines than you last did, and use pastebin this time |
| [21:34:37] | iamlindoro_: | And unless you svn up'ed from a qt3 version of myth to current trunk, there is no reason it should try to use qt3 |
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| [21:38:05] | inordkuo: | http://pastebin.com/me70785f |
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| [21:45:39] | iamlindoro_: | Heh, it *is* using qt3 |
| [21:46:01] | iamlindoro_: | wonder how you managed that |
| [21:46:09] | inordkuo: | um... |
| [21:47:28] | inordkuo: | dangit |
| [21:47:29] | inordkuo: | ok |
| [21:47:29] | iamlindoro_: | My only guess is that you didn't install libqt4-dev and libqt4-sql-mysql until just now, and the first time you tried to compile this checkout, it was with qt3 |
| [21:47:35] | iamlindoro_: | now you have wedge qt3 Makefiles |
| [21:47:38] | iamlindoro_: | wedged |
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| [21:48:43] | inordkuo: | so an update-alternatives --config qmake? |
| [21:48:46] | iamlindoro_: | So you can erase all the Makefiles recursively in whatever way you like, or get a fresh checkout and try using the --qmake=qmake-qt4 this time |
| [21:48:55] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: huh? |
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| [21:49:19] | clever: | iamlindoro_: that would change the qmake symlink, probly to point to qmake-qt4 |
| [21:49:56] | iamlindoro_: | clever: I am aware of what it does, it's just not the right thing to do |
| [21:50:11] | clever: | it sounds like it would be just as effective as --qmake=qmake-qt4 |
| [21:50:17] | clever: | though would break things when undone |
| [21:50:23] | directhex: | and break compilation of any apps in the future |
| [21:50:29] | clever: | where a --qmake=qmake-qt4 may stick(in the configure output) |
| [21:50:42] | clever: | directhex: assuming he was building qt3 apps also |
| [21:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Don't interrupt clever, he's holding court |
| [21:51:00] | clever: | lol |
| [21:51:03] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: He's showing us his brain |
| [21:51:12] | directhex: | I'M clever! |
| [21:51:16] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: And good sense never stopped clever from doing anything |
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| [21:52:03] | inordkuo: | ok so where to i stick --qmake=qmake-qt4? |
| [21:52:11] | iamlindoro_: | in your configure |
| [21:52:18] | iamlindoro_: | ./configure --qmake.... |
| [21:52:26] | inordkuo: | great thanks |
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| [22:01:22] | gustave_: | anyone care to share their configure options that is recomended with the latest svn? |
| [22:02:08] | iamlindoro_: | There are no configure options, they are custom for your hardware/software |
| [22:02:13] | iamlindoro_: | er no recommended configure |
| [22:02:28] | kormoc: | I like --disable-video myself! |
| [22:02:38] | iamlindoro_: | If you can't figure it out/know already you should NOT be running trunk |
| [22:02:48] | iamlindoro_: | Like, *seriosuly* |
| [22:02:56] | iamlindoro_: | dang retarded fingers, *seriously* |
| [22:03:35] | inordkuo: | it's compiling with qt4. i'm so happy. |
| [22:03:48] | kormoc: | actually, ./configure already has the recommended defaults |
| [22:03:53] | iamlindoro_: | What is it about qt4 that is making you happy? |
| [22:04:24] | inordkuo: | oh well just that it might finish compiling this time |
| [22:04:33] | iamlindoro_: | qt4 won't make it do that |
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| [22:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: d'oh, excuse me, I stopped looking at names |
| [22:06:08] | iamlindoro_: | I started responding to gustave and stopped reading names |
| [22:06:12] | ** sphery hates all the settings in Myth... ** | |
| [22:06:26] | inordkuo: | ah i was getting confused |
| [22:06:31] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: so yeah, your comments *are* relevant to your situation, a pox on me |
| [22:07:51] | sphery: | So, found out that "Automatically mark a recording as watched" only works if you don't get prompts. So, now I have to fix it, then test with end-of-recording prompts on and off, then test with exit prompts on and off. Write once test 4 times. |
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| [22:08:17] | sphery: | "How hard can it be to just add another little setting?" |
| [22:09:35] | inordkuo: | iamlindoro: thanks a lot for your help. i was googling for a while on this one. |
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| [22:10:32] | iamlindoro_: | inordkuo: thank me if it finishes ;) |
| [22:10:35] | iamlindoro_: | but you are welcome |
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| [22:39:57] | dustybin: | i have 100+ recordings and would like to delete them all in one go, is there a quick way to do it? mythweb or frontend ? |
| [22:40:15] | xris: | dustybin: nothing without writing your own script to do it. |
| [22:40:36] | dustybin: | aye wish i knew how |
| [22:40:45] | dustybin: | i would probably end up buggering the db |
| [22:40:57] | wagnerrp: | rm /my/recording/folder |
| [22:40:59] | sphery: | wget and MythWeb in a bash for loop |
| [22:41:23] | wagnerrp: | of course then you would have a bunch of orphaned reordings |
| [22:41:27] | dustybin: | then i would need to launch the mythorphans script? |
| [22:41:38] | wagnerrp: | is there such a thing? |
| [22:42:00] | dustybin: | im not sure |
| [22:44:11] | sphery: | Oh, just noticed you're said mythfrontend is allowed... |
| [22:44:15] | iamlindoro_: | jpabq: Don't you have a 9xxx series? |
| [22:45:04] | sphery: | dustybin: Go to Watch Recordings or Delete Recordings, select All Programs (assuming you're deleting everything), then M, Add this group to the Playlist, M, Playlist Options, Delete (or Delete and allow re-record) |
| [22:45:10] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_: nope, but I have been strongly considering the ASUS P5N7A-VM |
| [22:45:20] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: ah, right, I remember you mentioning it |
| [22:45:26] | dustybin: | sphery: aye ok thanks |
| [22:45:45] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: for blu-ray, are you setting you video output to 1080/24p? |
| [22:46:15] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: To date I have not-- Had thought to start playing with it w/ the myth patches, but I'd rather than one get committed first-- my projector will accept it, apparently |
| [22:46:42] | abqjp: | "the myth patches"? |
| [22:46:43] | janneg: | dustybin: add the All programs group to a playlist and delete the playlist |
| [22:46:53] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: for 24p |
| [22:47:10] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: There's one that senses the 24p material and changes refresh rate to match IIRC |
| [22:47:43] | abqjp: | I missed that one. |
| [22:47:51] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: gimme a sec |
| [22:48:34] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5643 |
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| [22:49:56] | dustybin: | recordings deleted with a few swift strokes :) |
| [22:50:32] | sphery: | dustybin: I use that approach a lot--it's how I handle series that get cancelled. :) |
| [22:50:58] | dustybin: | i just ls my recordings dir, and there still exists a shit load of .mpg ? |
| [22:51:22] | iamlindoro_: | sure it's not just deleting slowly? |
| [22:51:28] | dustybin: | oh yeah |
| [22:51:31] | sphery: | dustybin: slow deletes? |
| [22:51:34] | dustybin: | good point |
| [22:51:49] | dustybin: | ill leave the bugger for a while |
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| [22:52:07] | iamlindoro_: | watch "ls /my/filthyporn |wc -l" |
| [22:52:11] | abqjp: | iamlindoro: cool |
| [22:52:46] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp: yeah, seems neat |
| [22:52:58] | sphery: | dustybin: has the frontend given you control back, yet? |
| [22:53:08] | dustybin: | the frontend has yes |
| [22:53:14] | sphery: | dustybin: i.e. you can navigate the menus? If so, it's probably not slow deletes |
| [22:53:21] | dustybin: | the list is going down |
| [22:53:34] | dustybin: | i can navigate fine |
| [22:53:43] | sphery: | file gets deleted almost immediately (even with slow deletes--only difference is that slow deletes keeps the file open when it does the delete) |
| [22:54:14] | sphery: | so, if you can navigate the frontend menus, it's finished deleting what it can--which means there's probably a permissions issue on all those recordings |
| [22:54:17] | sphery: | go back to frontend' |
| [22:54:23] | dustybin: | im using XFS file system, so maybe that will help too? |
| [22:54:24] | sphery: | s watch recordings and see if they're there again |
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| [22:56:11] | dustybin: | sphery: the recordings are not there |
| [22:56:18] | dustybin: | they are getting deleted for sure |
| [22:56:32] | dustybin: | just a few left now :) |
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| [22:57:15] | sphery: | hmmm... perhaps it's an XFS thing... It doesn't delete as quickly as people say, but instead queues requests for deletes and does them in the background... |
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| [22:57:33] | sphery: | but, you don't seem to have slow deletes enabled |
| [22:58:13] | sphery: | Who knows. I don't know how XFS works. |
| [22:58:25] | dustybin: | sphery: they must of got deleted a while ago, i got another group what needs deleting |
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| [23:02:27] | dustybin: | blist all |
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| [23:06:06] | wagnerrp: | VDPAU? sounds tasty |
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| [23:06:53] | wagnerrp: | almost instantly makes gallium3d pointless |
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| [23:08:11] | wagnerrp: | makes me want to pick up a new video card for my FE |
| [23:08:27] | wagnerrp: | its not quite capable of playing the AVC transcodes ive been making |
| [23:08:43] | RyeBrye: | sphery – you mean XFS doesn't delete that fast? |
| [23:08:46] | wagnerrp: | thats all in mplayer, so i can just grab the pre-patched version |
| [23:09:42] | wagnerrp: | nice that nvidia came out with a competing API just as AMD is prepping UVD2 |
| [23:11:18] | wagnerrp: | so the recommended video card is now a 8400? |
| [23:12:36] | sphery: | RyeBrye: I don't know. From what dustybin was saying, it took quite a while to delete a bunch of files on his XFS filesystem, but Myth seemed to think they were deleted (though I'd have to explore the slow-deletes-disabled code path to verify). |
| [23:13:58] | RyeBrye: | I thought that the slow-delete thing was worthless from what someone said in here a while ago |
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| [23:14:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: while I wouldn't say "pointless" (after all, there is much to be said about the benefits of a /free/ and /open/ driver), I would say it definitely makes it harder to get motivated to dedicate the kind of effort required to make gallium3d work |
| [23:14:07] | RyeBrye: | I can't remember who, but someone was just railing against it |
| [23:14:25] | sphery: | slow delete is basically essential on ext3 filesystems |
| [23:14:28] | wagnerrp: | well i said 'almost' |
| [23:14:36] | sphery: | I love slow deletes |
| [23:15:22] | sphery: | (which is why I only know the slow-delete code path--well, that and the fact that it was broken to begin with so I spent quite a bit of time studying that code to fix it :) |
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| [23:15:53] | sutula: | sphery: How does it do a slow delete? |
| [23:16:13] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm just saying that I couldn't get myself motivated to tackle that project after the release of VDPAU |
| [23:16:52] | Dibblah: | sutula: It slowly truncates the file. |
| [23:16:58] | sphery: | sutula: opens the file, deletes it, then begins truncating it by small increments (generally 4MiB/0.5 sec (or 8MiB/sec) = about 1GiB/2min) |
| [23:17:18] | ** sutula nods... ** | |
| [23:17:33] | sphery: | because it's been deleted, if Myth crashes or is shut down, the file is gone, but if not, it just slowly removes it from the filesystem so that the filesystem doesn't block all I/O during the delete process |
| [23:17:41] | sutula: | ...I've been rsync'ing files from one FS to another and the delete kills things for a few seconds at a time :( |
| [23:18:00] | wagnerrp: | i imagine theres no difference in capability from one card to the next? since purevideo is run on dedicated hardware? |
| [23:18:54] | sutula: | sphery: Is there an executable that I could call from a shell script? |
| [23:19:18] | sutula: | (just the file delete part) |
| [23:19:54] | sphery: | nope. Myth does is in mythbackend. |
| [23:20:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Did NVIDIA do real dedicated hardware? I thought they chose to use their 3D hardware and ATI created dedicated hardware (I know that was the case with the initial versions) |
| [23:22:24] | sphery: | of course, the initial version for NVIDIA was the 6800, so much may have changed |
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| [23:48:13] | iamlindoro: | I think that's basically right |
| [23:48:23] | iamlindoro: | so long as it's all the same in the end I guess |
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