Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, November 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Beirdo:

Anyways, I'm trying to get my personal projects up and running in the evenings bit by bit

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Beirdo:

having BOTH drives in the mirror in my development box die nearly simultaneously sure didn't help much

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Beirdo:

thank goodness for amanda and DDS3 drives

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Beirdo:

so now I'm trying to get the MUD code work going again (as my wife actually wants to work on it too!)

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Beirdo:

then I hope to tackle gputrans again

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J-e-f-f-A:

ooh, welcome back MythLogBot !!! ;-)

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

my linode had rebooted, and I didn't notice, sorry

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Ah, that's ok. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: How's the weather down there? I might be coming down to one of our customers, Banco Popular, soon... ;-)

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Beirdo:

Niiice.

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Beirdo:

it's warm as always

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Beirdo:

not too much rain lately

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's cool... it would be a refreshing change from the 37F I just came in from... ;-)

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Beirdo:

I was up near your way a while ago too.. Hartford, to be precise

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Beirdo:

at my customer (Pratt & Whitney)

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... That's where I was born... 40 years ago! ;-)

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Beirdo:

I like New England from what I've seen so far.

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Beirdo:

but I can do without yer winters

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Beirdo:

had enough of that in Canada growing up

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Did you get to see some of the fall foilage, or was it mostly off the trees by then?

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Beirdo:

it was nearly at its prime

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Beirdo:

:)

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Beirdo:

it was the second week of October

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J-e-f-f-A:

Did you get much of that in Canada?

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Beirdo:

yeah, earlier in the year, but much the same

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Beirdo:

I drove up to Vermont on the weekend when I was there so I'd get more foliage

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J-e-f-f-A:

Bring the wifie?

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Beirdo:

unfortunately not, her boss wouldn't give her time off :(

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kormoc:

Beirdo! Welcome back!

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Beirdo:

which is a bummer, but such is life

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Beirdo:

heya, kormoc

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directhex:

it's Beirdo!

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Beirdo:

having a job is great... having one with no IRC access allowed... sucks

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J-e-f-f-A:

Beirdo: Do they allow ssh? ;-)

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Beirdo:

nope

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Beirdo:

I've tried

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J-e-f-f-A:

DOH!

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directhex:

nazis!

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Beirdo:

heh, no

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J-e-f-f-A:

At my old company they blocked everything except http and a few other ports – I did an intelligent port scan (took hours, went very slow searching for open ports to one known server on the web), and found 9022 open... ;-) Bingo!

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Beirdo:

just high-security company

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Beirdo:

I mean, my job is to work on the software that controls jet engines

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Beirdo:

so I love the job... just wish I weren't so isolated while at work

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Beirdo:

heh

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Beirdo:

and the 3h total commute... I'll live

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J-e-f-f-A:

hehe... My buddy was on a flight once, and while still at the gate, they announced, "We'll be under way in a few minutes, we need to re-boot the plane's computers before we take off." DOH! Must have been running MicroSloth!

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kormoc:

entire other side of the island?

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Beirdo:

yeah, northwest corner.

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Beirdo:

heh, thankfully the software is tested till kingdom come.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm only 15 miles from work, but it takes 45 mins to drive...

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Beirdo:

live in Dorado, drive to Isabela (56 miles each way)

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Beirdo:

and half of that is through towns

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, 7/8 of my commute is rural — 30–40mph... ugh.

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Beirdo:

but I can do highway speeds (65mph for half, 50mph with stops for half), so it's not actually too bad

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Beirdo:

my wife, however...

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Beirdo:

she commutes into the metro San Juan area

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Beirdo:

it's like 15min with no traffic

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Beirdo:

and takes her 1.5h most mornings

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Beirdo:

the freeway is a parking lot all the way to work for her

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Beirdo:

so I shouldn't complain too hard... but still it's tiring

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Beirdo:

especially with no cruise control on my cheap Yaris :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

My wife would take back roads to work that total 10 more miles, just to not sit in stop&go traffic – would take the same amount of time too...

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directhex:

i wonder if CAPS LOCK works in real life. if it's cruise control for cool, what else is it cruise control for?

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Beirdo:

!trout directhex

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** MythLogBot slaps directhex with a trout on behalf of Beirdo... **

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Beirdo:

muhahah

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** iamlindoro huggles the trout **

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iamlindoro:

oh fishie, I've missed you

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iamlindoro:

I've had nothing but golf clubs to hit dustybin with

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: and clev(er) ... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

The whole shutin-no-common-sense-dad's/sister's-basement/attic crowd, yes

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Beirdo:

heh

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs out loud.... ;-) **

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Beirdo:

glad I missed the election season on IRC this time around

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, so the real reason for MythLogBot going underground... ;-)

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Beirdo:

at least it ain't 4 more years of Bush :) Time for change, let some other twit mess things up

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Beirdo:

nah

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directhex:

MythLogBot is a mccain voter? :o

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Beirdo:

election time in PR is real crazy though

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Beirdo:

heh.

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Beirdo:

I don't get to vote ;)

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Beirdo:

not for president because I'm a PR resident

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Beirdo:

not for PR politicians as I'm not US citizen

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Beirdo:

not in Canada, because I'm a US resident

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Beirdo:

fun :)

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directhex:

democracy at work!

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Beirdo:

yup

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Beirdo:

although should I get dual citizenship at some point, that would change

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jerky_2:

anyone know how to change the "nice" level mysqld runs at in mythbuntu 8.10? i'm trying to see if that'll fix my performance problems

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GreyFoxx:

what specificaly is not performing well ?

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jerky_2:

here i'll paste the blurb i wrote yesterday...

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jerky_2:

so i'm having some performance problems on my myth box. i'm running mythbuntu 8.10 now but the problem was there on 8.04 too. my box will be running fine (frontend, backend, even mythcommflag sometimes) and then all of a sudden it starts stuttering pretty badly for a few seconds. it doesn't seem to happen at any specific interval...

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jerky_2:

but when i take a look at the 'top' output, it always corresponds with 'mysqld' jumping up the CPU usage column. when it drops off the top CPU users the performance problems are gone. any ideas for what could be wrong or how to troubleshoot this?

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jerky_2:

basically everything is fine and then every once in a while mysqld shoots up to the top of "top"'s resource hoggers and the frontend stutters badly for a few seconds, then it disappears and all is well

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J-e-f-f-A:

jerky_2: Optimize your database?

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jerky_2:

yeah i ran optimize_mythdb.pl

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jerky_2:

i can't tell if it helped at all, but the stuttering is still there

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jerky_2:

i figured mysqld is running some sort of query every half hour or something, and that's hitting the CPU or hard disk pretty hard for 5 to 15 seconds

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jerky_2:

yesterday i did some troubleshooting with someone to determine that the problem isn't that equal CPU time is being allocated to different users

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jerky_2:

but i still notice that the mysqld runs as "mysql" user, whereas everything else runs as mythtv or root or my user account

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jerky_2:

mythcommflag can use tons of CPU with no problems because its nice value of 17 is being respected

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jerky_2:

so i thought i could just nice up mysqld and maybe achieve the same results

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jerky_2:

it looks like mysqld doesn't have nice options, but mysqld_safe does (--nice). but mysqld_safe is also running on my system and i don't notice that one hogging cpu

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iamlindoro:

It makes it so easy to work on MythTube bugs with RSS feeds like "Bikini Driving School"

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jerky_2:

haha, there's some inspiration for ya :)

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iamlindoro:

jerky_2, It's likely if mysqld is niced or reniced it's done in the init script, which should be /etc/init.d/mysql

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J-e-f-f-A:

jerky_2: I dunno — hard drive contention, or space? I run my database on a different drive than my video storage...

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jerky_2:

i do too, i have a scsi-3 system drive with the db and an IDE drive with video storage

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jerky_2:

iamlindoro, thanks, this script should probably help. i don't see "nice" anywhere in it but "priority" is in there

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jerky_2:

well until then i've reniced it up to 10, i'll give some HDTV viewing a shot and see if it works

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my2keh:

anyone here have a DCT6416 III?

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iamlindoro:

I will bet a shiny nickel that your question could be answered by someone without your exact cable box

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gbee:

not very confident then?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Think I may have found a little mythui bug for you (and it would be nice to find it's not me

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iamlindoro:

)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: fire away

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Hang on, trying to get a screenshot for you, it's fixed by alt-tabbing so I may need to get fancy

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gbee:

right now I'm actually aware of 3/4 bugs, at least

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gbee:

I need to stop for a moment and fix them

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my2keh:

iamlindoro>> probably!

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my2keh:

how big is the nickel?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, This is a horizontal layout w/ overlapping images... paging through them one direction works, paging through them in the opposite direction causes what should be the foreground image to be cut off by the background image-- alt-tab refreshes the draw and fixes it

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iamlindoro:

gbee, hang on, will try to demonstrate

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russK1:

my mytharchive does nothing when I tell it to start ... anyone know mytharchive?

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gbee:

my2keh: 3/5s the size of a ha'ppeny

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my2keh:

dang

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iamlindoro:

gbee, http://iamlindoro.sexypenguins.com:8081/mythuiredrawerror.png

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gbee:

iamlindoro: ok thanks, I'll look into it

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ooh, that image makes me want to try out Trunk... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

gbee, no problem, and thank you-- Seems I can't recreate it with just a couple images, seems like I need 5–6 or so to start triggering it

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, technically speaking, that's not in trunk :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: ;-) Looks nice though. It'll make it into 0.22, right?

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, I dunno, would take someone smart to look at it/clean it up (read: not me)

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gbee:

heh, for a moment there I though the battery in my mouse had died, the pointer wasn't moving ... it was the one in the screenshot, doh!

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iamlindoro:

gbee, This will be poorly explained, but... to trigger it it seems I need one more image than the number displayed on the screen at startup, so if three are displayed upon opening mythtube, moving to the fourth will trigger it

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iamlindoro:

gbee, wondering if it's the new caching stuff, as it didn't use to exist

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gbee:

doubt it, but I'll find out

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iamlindoro:

ok

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Mark_E_Logan:

Still no luck with this ./configure business...

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iamlindoro:

Mark_E_Logan, That error is in plain english, you need freetype (and dev packages for it) installed to compile myth.

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Mark_E_Logan:

Right, which is why I downloaded freetype2.3.7 ran a ./configure on it and then did a make.

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Mark_E_Logan:

Same error.

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iamlindoro:

It would seem you did something wrong with the freetype install, then

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iamlindoro:

why not install your distro's package for freetype and -dev?

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iamlindoro:

and moreover, for myth?

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Mark_E_Logan:

Package freetype – 2.2.1–20.el5_2.i386 is already installed.

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iamlindoro:

-dev

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gbee:

iamlindoro: which painter btw?

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Mark_E_Logan:

Package freetype-devel – 2.2.1–20.el5_2.i386 is already installed.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, qt

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iamlindoro:

Mark_E_Logan, Great, now download and install a myth package and you'll be in business.

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gbee:

figures, always the QT painter which has issues

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Haven't had a chance to check the gl painter yet

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gbee:

think I've got a fair idea of the cause, but not why it wasn't seen before

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gbee:

going to get some sleep

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iamlindoro:

gbee, sweet dreams, thanks

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wagnerrp:

you know, if someone on a mailing list corrected one of my top-posts, i do believe i would have to subsequently correct their bottom post

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justin_home:

Hi, all

[02:37:31]

justin_home:

Is there a way to remove certain channels from the guide?

[02:37:50]

Dagmar:

Pliers.

[02:37:54]

justin_home:

haha

[02:38:17]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, forget I said that. I thought you were one of the devs being snarky

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justin_home:

I'd like to pull out the channels I don't actually get – it would be ideal if this also applied to recordings

[02:38:52]

justin_home:

no sweat, Dagmar – I caught the snark and was unoffended

[02:39:05]

Dagmar:

If you're getting your listings through Schedules Direct the easier thing to do is login there, nuke the channels you don't want to see, then use mythtv-setup to obliterate all schedule/channel data, and then regrab the lineup, now sans the channels you didn't want to see

[02:39:36]

justin_home:

Ah – OK, that should work

[02:39:48]

Dagmar:

I actually couldn't say for sure how to eliminate just one channel manually. I *think* you can do it through MythTV-setup, but it's sometimes been a bother in the past to _completely_ get rid of a channel once listing data is in the DB for it

[02:40:09]

Dagmar:

Considering how easy and quick it is to nuke the lot and refresh the data, I just go that route

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justin_home:

I'll do that

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Dagmar:

GOod luck

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Mark_E_Logan:

Alright now I am getting "qmake for Qt4 not found"... anyone have any idea?

[02:40:38]

Dagmar:

Mark_E_Logan: You have Qt4 installed?

[02:40:45]

Mark_E_Logan:

yep

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sphery:

obviously Scott "I've been running changeset 16579...and [want someone to tell me how to upgrade to trunk]" didn't like my answer on the -users list (as he just posted the same question to the -dev list).

[02:41:04]

Dagmar:

sphery: Ouch

[02:41:18]

Mark_E_Logan:

Package qt4 – 4.2.1–1.i386 is already installed.

[02:41:20]

Dagmar:

Mark_E_Logan: So what happens when you "just" type `qmake` and hit enter

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justin_home:

Also, I'm having an issue with the EPG on my frontend – if I press a button on my remote, it performs that action then becomes unresponsive

[02:41:36]

Mark_E_Logan:

-bash: qmake: command not found

[02:41:37]

Dagmar:

What action?

[02:41:47]

Dagmar:

Mark_E_Logan: Okay, so you kinda need that in your PATH

[02:42:04]

Dagmar:

When you installed the package it should have modified the generic all-users-get-this PATH variable setting

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Dagmar:

*should*

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sphery:

justin_home: which button--up/down or all?

[02:43:02]

justin_home:

any button

[02:43:19]

justin_home:

as far as I can tell

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Dagmar:

Mark_E_Logan: Smack it with `find /usr -name qmake` and let that run awhile. It should soon turn up the name of the directory you need to add to your PAT

[02:43:26]

Dagmar:

er PATH

[02:43:41]

Dagmar:

...although hopefully logging out and back in will sort ti

[02:44:01]

sphery:

justin_home: Oh, and Dagmar's approach is definitely best, but the D key can be used in mythtv-setup to delete a channel (like he said, though, it will just come back if you don't fix SD and the best way is Delete all video sources). http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[02:44:22]

sphery:

justin_home: is it only the remote or does it do the same with keyboard buttons?

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russK1:

why would mytharchive do nothing ... anyone?

[02:44:40]

sphery:

russK1: because it only works on a combined frontend/backend system?

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justin_home:

....hmmm, I'm pretty sure the keyboard was OK, just the remote

[02:44:53]

justin_home:

I'd have to double check

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sphery:

justin_home: running gnome-screensaver?

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sphery:

oh, and is it slow in other parts of Myth or just the EPG?

[02:45:30]

Dagmar:

russK1: Lack of configuration

[02:45:36]

justin_home:

I don't think the screensaver is active, but I'll check on that

[02:45:42]

justin_home:

and just the EPG

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sphery:

the EPG available through the MythTV menus or the EPG in LiveTV?

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justin_home:

In LiveTV – if I do the browse thing while watching TV, it works fine, but when I go to the full guide it borks up

[02:47:27]

sphery:

justin_home: Turn off bob deinterlacing. I recommend switching your playback profile group to (the default configuration of) Slim. See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles

[02:48:18]

justin_home:

...really?

[02:48:26]

justin_home:

Wow, I wouldn't have expected that to be the problem

[02:48:29]

sphery:

:)

[02:49:02]

justin_home:

Considering I was using a higher profile when the frontend was running MythDora

[02:49:04]

sphery:

Did you say you're running Ubuntu? If so, which?

[02:49:10]

justin_home:

Hardy

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sphery:

translated to numbers...???

[02:49:30]

justin_home:

hmmm...8.04 I think

[02:49:37]

Dagmar:

There is no "real" logical order to those profiles.

[02:49:47]

sphery:

I think 8.10 has the "fix" (which is really a hack that disables deinterlacing while the EPG is up)

[02:49:58]

Dagmar:

We kinda recommend once you understand what the bits and pieces do that you just make a new one and use it

[02:50:20]

sphery:

Oh, and Slim really isn't a "lower" profile--it's just a /very/ good profile (it's basically the same as software decoding in MythTV 0.20 and below)

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sphery:

And, the names "High Quality" and "CPU++" and ... are not very descriptive of what the profile is all about. The wiki page gives a better starting point for understanding them.

[02:52:02]

justin_home:

OK, cool – I'll check that out

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sphery:

I have an Athlon X2 6000+ for my frontend and I use a custom profile that is a slimmed-down version of slim (i.e. it only has "profile 2" of slim specified--all my TV is played back exactly the same)

[02:53:29]

sphery:

though I'm using kernel deint instead of linearblend

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justin_home:

All my stuff can be identical as well, considering I'm still SD only

[02:54:58]

sphery:

So, basically, there's no shame in choosing the Slim profile...

[02:55:23]

justin_home:

...makes this plucking of channels in schedulesdirect a bit more time consuming, as I'm removing all the HD channels

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sphery:

yeah, I'd recommend creating a custom profile as described in the wiki page and just keeping it simple (i.e. rez > 0 0, ffmpeg, Xv, whatever deint you want, but not bob and probably not greedy* or double* if you're using the LiveTV EPG)

[02:56:10]

justin_home:

OK, I'll do that

[02:56:15]

justin_home:

thanks, sphery

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justin_home:

thank you too, Dagmar

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iamlindoro:

So, Mirror's edge is quite fun, some quirks aside

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Ryushin:

I just upgraded SVN after about 8 months of not upgrading due to changes in themes and such. mythweb shows the records are available. But the frontend does not. Is there some kind of setting that has changed so I can see the recordings list again?

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iamlindoro:

maniv, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview

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iamlindoro:

start by reading that please

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maniv:

okay

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maniv:

Thanks

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Ryushin:

hmmm.... mythtv-setup is not working anymore either.

[03:31:02]

maniv:

hi... I find myth doesn't use the BSD sockets.. It uses Qsocket... right?

[03:31:44]

Ryushin:

Error when running mythtv-setup: glibc detected *** mythtv-setup: corrupted double-linked list: 0x08174368

[03:31:52]

Ryushin:

Has anyone seen anything like that?

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iamlindoro:

Ryushin, While channel scanning?

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iamlindoro:

maniv, It uses MythSocket, which is built on top of QSocket I believe

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Ryushin:

While trying to run mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro:

in that case, nope :)\

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Ryushin:

I just upgraded svn, so I don't know if it's a new bug or what.

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maniv:

oh

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maniv:

QSocket is built on BSD sockets?

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iamlindoro:

You'd have to read the QT source or documentation to know that. Or you could use google.

[03:34:50]

iamlindoro:

maniv, what is it you are trying to do?

[03:35:23]

iamlindoro:

anyway, google will give you your answer in the first three hits

[03:35:35]

iamlindoro:

"qsocket bsd sockets"

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maniv:

ok thanks

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maniv:

I was just trying to understand Mythtv and see if it could be ported to RTOS

[03:36:29]

maniv:

is there any port to RTOS already?

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maniv:

i mean attempts?

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Dagmar:

What do you expect to gain from porting it?

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iamlindoro:

And would any RTOS hardware actually manage to do anything useful with myth

[03:37:59]

Ryushin:

Okay, fixed the problem with mythtv-setup not starting.

[03:38:30]

iamlindoro:

myth chews ups hardware and spits it out (if you include the frontend, that is)

[03:38:38]

Ryushin:

Now, what about the frontend not finding the recordings. Any ideas on that?

[03:38:49]

iamlindoro:

Not finding recordings how?

[03:39:46]

Ryushin:

When I go to view my previous recordings, it says no recordings found.

[03:40:07]

iamlindoro:

Hmm. Nothing inherent in trunk that should cause that, works here (tm)

[03:40:11]

Ryushin:

Or more specific, no recordings available.

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Ryushin:

Neither of my 3 frontends can fine them. I'll dig some more.

[03:42:00]

iamlindoro:

I'mma go climb some walls and run along high thinsg

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ahughes:

what usb hdtv tuners can I plug into my ps3? and what version of ubuntu do I need to run?

[03:50:53]

ahughes:

pinnacle and hauuapage are the easiest to get a hold of here, but don't want to spend $200 and then cry

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Lexridge:

stupid question: If I type the R key to start recording something, and I only want to record a segment, then stop it...the recording disappears. Why, and how can I prevent this?

[03:53:10]

Lexridge:

ie: I just wanted to record the Eagles performance on the CMA awards a few minutes ago. While recording it, it shows up as a recorded program. Then, after I stopped it when the Eagles were done, it is no longer available.

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wagnerrp:

ahughes: simple response, dont

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ahughes:

thats so not what I wanna hear :'(

[03:57:39]

wagnerrp:

get an old desktop or something, fill it with drives, stick it in a closet, use the uPnP client in gameos

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ahughes:

nah, upnp stinks on the gameos :'( the UI sucks.

[03:58:22]

wagnerrp:

i rather like it, its simple, it works

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ahughes:

plus it only plays divx and xvid

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Dagmar:

Upgrade the firmware then

[03:58:53]

wagnerrp:

divx and xvid are actually only recent additions to upnp playback

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Dagmar:

...and I can assure you it plays the format used natively by the Hauppage PVR-x50 cards.

[03:59:38]

Dagmar:

I've not gotten it to play a file after cutting the commercials from it, but I've not had time to look into what trivial thing is making that break

[03:59:40]

ahughes:

wagnerrp, I agree as far as working out the box is nice, but then if you have say 20GB of music to traverse you quickly want to kill the gameos.

[03:59:43]

wagnerrp:

i believe one of the more recent firmwares added ac3 support for mpeg2, to allow streaming of ATSC recordings

[04:00:08]

wagnerrp:

ahughes: so organize it properly, rather than just sticking it in one giant folder

[04:00:12]

Dagmar:

ahughes: Got news for you man... If you have 20Gb of music to traverse you'll want to shoot MythMusic in the face pretty quick as well

[04:00:16]

ahughes:

wagnerrp, it is.

[04:00:44]

wagnerrp:

mythmusic is not an object of beauty

[04:01:15]

ahughes:

yeah, thats kewl... there is xmms, songbird... and many other options. ubuntu will be put on there... its a matter os my buying a usb hdtv tuner for it or not.

[04:01:31]

ahughes:

matter of

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Dagmar:

Well, you've basically got a very small number of feasible options once USB and HD are together

[04:01:52]

Ryushin:

Well, the backend is recording shows just fine. The frontend just can't watch them. Arg.

[04:01:55]

wagnerrp:

basically, the problem with the PS3 is that the chip is a POS, and there is no access to the video chip for hardware acceleration

[04:01:57]

Dagmar:

...the bulk of which is the Hauppauge HD-PVR

[04:02:06]

wagnerrp:

and there is a marginal amount of memory

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Ryushin:

The logs aren't telling me anything useful either.

[04:02:42]

wagnerrp:

and while its very capable under the gameos, it sucks under linux

[04:02:55]

wagnerrp:

primarily because no one has taken the time to write custom code for the SPEs

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing the mysql logs (if they were enabled) would be telling you you didn't set up the access lists properly so your frontend can't actually access the tables that hold the information about your recordings

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wagnerrp:

there are a couple projects attached to mplayer for various decoding functions, but nothing spectacular, and nothing closed to a releasable form

[04:03:42]

Ryushin:

Dagmar: Okay, I'll look at my mysql logs.

[04:04:17]

Dagmar:

Ryushin: I'd say just google a bit about mysql permissions and make sure you are allowing the mysql mythtv user the same access from a remote connection that it does for a local one

[04:04:30]

Ryushin:

Okay, I'll look at that.

[04:04:43]

Dagmar:

Their access controls are a little confusing for some people at first, since they involve *both* the username *and* the IP address or hostname that the query is coming from

[04:04:56]

Ryushin:

The frontend log does not show that though.

[04:05:02]

Dagmar:

The frontend would know it

[04:05:05]

Dagmar:

er wouldn't

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Dagmar:

There's also the outside possibility that you set the parental controls flag

[04:06:11]

Dagmar:

But yeah, getting a frontend that is separate from the backend working properly the first time isn't quite as sure-fire as it maybe could be

[04:06:17]

Ryushin:

Okay. It's just strange that all three frontends suddenly have issues. But I'll dig into mysql.

[04:06:32]

Ryushin:

After the SVN upgrade.

[04:06:43]

Dagmar:

I'd say "undo your last change to the system" but no one ever keeps track of what they did

[04:07:26]

Dagmar:

If you now have different versions of MythTV installed, that's your problem.

[04:07:30]

Ryushin:

Well, I don't really want to roll back 8 months of svn after the schema has been upgraded.

[04:07:40]

Ryushin:

Just recompiled everything an hour or so ago.

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Dagmar:

On _all_ the machines?

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Ryushin:

I'll look at mysql and see what I can find and report back.

[04:07:54]

Ryushin:

Yea, on all machines.

[04:07:59]

Dagmar:

OKay

[04:12:56]

Ryushin:

Well, mysql is working. I'm seeing it log in and query the database. I wonder if the schema upgrade has broken something.

[04:13:25]

Ryushin:

mythweb can see the shows just fine.

[04:14:44]

Ryushin:

Hmmm... I am getting this error though when running mythweb and looking at the recorded shows: FilterManager, Error: Failed to load filter library: '/usr/local/lib/mythtv/filters/libpostprocess.so'

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mhatch:

How come MythGallery only shows the .JPG and .AVI files created by my camera, but not .MP4 files? For example, the mjpeg videos are huge, so I recoded a few to h.264 as a test, but the new videos don't show up in the folder when browsing.

[04:22:40]

justin_home:

is there any reason for/against using OpenGL for the OSD renderer?

[04:23:29]

Dagmar:

It's easier for the video card.

[04:23:43]

Dagmar:

If it comes up in black & white or crashes the machine tho, that would be a reason to not use it

[04:23:47]

justin_home:

is that for or against?

[04:23:56]

justin_home:

heh

[04:24:22]

justin_home:

OK, so is OpenGL better or worse than softblend?

[04:24:29]

justin_home:

as far as looks go

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Dagmar:

That depends on your tastes

[04:24:46]

kormoc:

why would it look any different?

[04:25:00]

kormoc:

the theme defines the looks, and if the cpu can keep up, they'll look the same

[04:25:08]

GreyFoxx:

OpenGL looks better, because it can be full screen res rather than the blended/scaled softblend

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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GreyFoxx:

in softblend he OSD is layed over the image and XV scaled to the users res rather than being true full res itself

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GreyFoxx:

that said, I use softblend myself :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: perhaps not so weird when you look at the "has joined #mythtv" message (i.e. same @, different user/nick)

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sphery:

justin_home: I know that current NVIDIA drivers have a bug that is exhibited with OpenGL renderer that means once you watch a recording/LiveTV and exit, you have to reboot to watch the next. Don't know if that is also the case with the OpenGL OSD renderer. (But if so, that's the reason to not use it that Dagmar mentioned.)

[04:29:21]

sphery:

I also use softblend

[04:30:25]

GreyFoxx:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/watch_recordings.tar.gz

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sphery:

iamlindoro: now I can say it--I think he just entered with a different nick so he could keep asking the developers since users are too dumb to know

[04:33:54]

sphery:

topic for #mythtv: This is the MythTV development channel. For mythtv related user support, go to #mythtv-users. However, *you* are special and your question is obviously so complex that only a developer could answer it, so feel free to ask it here...

[04:34:05]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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sphery:

Oh, and that "you" is a very generic you because of all the people who seem to get that topic message.

[04:36:34]

Lexridge:

sphery: I once had an issue that could not be solved here, and was told to check the dev channel. They were a bit cold a first, but did end up being helpful in the end.

[04:37:16]

Lexridge:

It was finally solved by asking the right question. ;)

[04:40:30]

sphery:

Yeah, some questions are appropriate there, but it seems that a lot people ignore the topic and think having devs answer their user questions is an appropriate use of developer time (and usually without even first trying -users). Maybe I'm just still too touchy after the whole "I am entitled to better LiveTV, so code it for me, developers!" thread on the -users list.

[04:41:14]

Lexridge:

you are correct.

[04:41:53]

Lexridge:

sphery: backing up a bit.....*ALL* my nvidia problems went away when launching mythfrontend with "DISPLAY=:0.1 mythfrontend" I have not crashed X since. :)

[04:42:14]

sphery:

cool

[04:42:33]

Lexridge:

it really makes no sense why this should fix it, but it did.

[04:43:00]

sphery:

before was it starting on :0.0?

[04:43:19]

Lexridge:

no, I was launching it from the second monitor instead of the main monitor.

[04:43:40]

Lexridge:

now, i launch it from the main monitor, redirecting it to the secondary monitor.

[04:44:21]

sphery:

Not TwinView, then? Xinerama?

[04:44:27]

Lexridge:

no, twinview

[04:44:49]

sphery:

which WM?

[04:44:59]

Lexridge:

kde

[04:45:29]

Lexridge:

I have two Desktop directories in my home directory.

[04:45:45]

Lexridge:

Desktop and Desktop1

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sphery:

I completely agree... That solution doesn't make sense, but I'm glad it works.

[04:46:12]

Lexridge:

me too :)

[04:46:37]

Lexridge:

I could always see the crash coming because my main desktop would start getting very sluggish.

[04:47:13]

Lexridge:

however, I could ssh into it from another machine and kill X, and everything was alright without a reboot....for while that is.

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Lexridge:

a killall X would not work....I had to remotely run kdm and kill it from there.

[04:48:04]

Lexridge:

kpm.....not kdm..

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Dagmar:

You just have to put your foot down with -9

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Lexridge:

dagmar: didn't know that. thanks

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Dagmar:

Kill, by default, only sends SIGTERM (-15) which is a "soft" kill. Programs that aren't brainlocked can and occasionally do hook that signal to do cleanup tasks (flush buffers, make log entries, etc) before they close

[04:49:02]

sphery:

I spend way too much time running the command "rm -r Desktop" because stupid Firefox 3 insists on creating a Desktop directory /every/ time I try to download a file and the last-saved-to directory doesn't exist. I have no clue why they couldn't start in the browser.download.dir (which I've specified as my home dir) even if browser.download.useDownloadDir is set to false.

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Dagmar:

You really want to start with the softer kill when you start trying to kill something, on general principle.

[04:50:11]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't work you can escalate to SIGKILL (-9) which can NOT be hooked by a program and is generally uninterruptable/inescapable unless the program is heavily brainlocked in kernelspace

[04:50:31]

Dagmar:

Kill -15 is a request to go away. Kill -9 is a sledge hammer

[04:50:43]

Dagmar:

If -9 won't kill something, you're generally looking at a reboot.

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Lexridge:

Cool! Great information!!!

[04:50:55]

Dagmar:

By the way, I'm a complete a**hat for referring to those by their numbers.

[04:51:17]

Lexridge:

naw, love the numbers ;)

[04:51:41]

Lexridge:

sphery: I've not had the balls to move from firefox 2.x to 3.x yet...perhaps a good idea it seems.

[04:51:46]

sphery:

Dagmar: I thought SCO owned those numbers (as part of the original Unix spec) ;)

[04:51:52]

Lexridge:

LOL

[04:51:57]

Dagmar:

Technically it's hellishly incorrect to specify the signal numbers, since a) they *could* be different among unixen (but they're almost never different) and b) not all unixen actually support "all" the signals, so by using the name instead of the number, the local kill binary will scream at you if you try to send a signal the OS doesn't recognize

[04:52:18]

Dagmar:

sphery: I suppose if we bothered to ask them they'd try to claim that

[04:52:23]

Lexridge:

fsck SCO!!! Losers!!

[04:52:46]

Dagmar:

If you give a `kill -l` unless you're on CrazyIX or something, it'll list what signals the OS actually knows/cares about

[04:52:53]

justin_home:

grrrr....why won't myth let go of the old channels?

[04:53:13]

Dagmar:

...as a last FYI, doing `killall` with no arguments gets you help information on a GNU-ish system.

[04:53:25]

Dagmar:

Doing `killall` on something important that's not a GNU-ish system gets you a new job

[04:53:45]

Dagmar:

(because it'll kill EVERYTHING indiscriminately, which is just as damn stupid as it sounds)

[04:53:45]

kormoc:

hehe

[04:53:46]

Lexridge:

dagmar: yep. just tried it.

[04:53:48]

sphery:

Lexridge: my Firefox 3 experience has been a letdown. FF2 was a good repeat (Bon Echo, for sure), but FF3 is not the Gran Paradiso they claim.

[04:54:10]

Lexridge:

sphery: shame too. I've heard great things about ff3

[04:54:10]

Dagmar:

I watched someone do it on part of an AIX cluster one afternoon.

[04:54:17]

Dagmar:

YAY for HA systems.

[04:54:51]

sphery:

if you pay for HA, you might as well exercise it every once in a while

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Dagmar:

heheh

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wagnerrp:

HA?

[04:55:19]

Dagmar:

The funny thing is all three of us stepped *away* from the consultant right after he hit enter

[04:55:19]

sphery:

high availability

[04:55:23]

Dagmar:

HIgh-Availability

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Lexridge:

I've spent 8 hours per day this week training on this new omneon server system we just purchased at work. I'm completely brain dead presently...need more beer.

[04:55:25]

justin_home:

do I need to kill the backend before deleting the channels?

[04:56:05]

sphery:

justin_home: yeah, should shut down the backend before any channel/video source/capture card/input changes in mythtv-setup

[04:56:05]

wagnerrp:

yes

[04:56:05]

Lexridge:

as Paul Macca said....Memory almost full :(

[04:56:07]

Dagmar:

justin_home: On general principle any time you screw around with the inputs, sources, or channel data, you'll want to do it while the backend is down (if possible) and pretty much always you'll want to stop and restart the backend afterwards (if it wasnt already down)

[04:56:20]

sphery:

(you'll actually get a popup in mythtv-setup that warns you if the backend is running)

[04:56:21]

wagnerrp:

any time you touch anything in mythtv-setup, shutdown the backend

[04:56:46]

Lexridge:

FYI, an Omneon server is very much like MythTV on serious steriods!!!!

[04:56:56]

Dagmar:

If you're at one of those cases where the backend *has* to be up, whatever you're screwing with will tell you pretty fast so it's usually safe to just go ahead and shut it down

[04:57:02]

wagnerrp:

assume that the divide between mythtv-setup and mythfrontend setup is that one requires a backend restart

[04:57:24]

sphery:

yep, I never change anything in mythtv-setup without shutting down the backend (though some things can be changed without problems--and I happen to know this for sure about some of them--I still shut down the backend)

[04:58:24]

justin_home:

ok, so stop mythbackend, delete the old channels, start mythbackend, mythfilldatabase?

[04:58:24]

Lexridge:

yes, always shut down your backend when running mythtv-setup. good advice.

[05:04:04]

Lexridge:

do any of you guys have any experience with Omneon systems?

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justin_home:

arg, dammit!

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justin_home:

Go away, you stupid old channels!

[05:05:53]

justin_home:

What am I doing wrong?

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Catonic:

are we still doing software compression in this day and age?

[05:06:33]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to what?

[05:06:35]

Lexridge:

catonic: sure, why not?

[05:06:36]

sphery:

bandwidth is far more expensive than CPU time

[05:07:12]

sphery:

(or do you mean software compression of video, i.e. from a frame grabber card?)

[05:07:12]

wagnerrp:

i dont know of any computers with hardware mpeg4 encoders

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Catonic:

wagnerrp: hardware compression

[05:07:31]

wagnerrp:

you can get a IVTV card with hardware mpeg2 compression

[05:07:53]

wagnerrp:

the hdpvr does mpeg4 compression, but thats not really inside your computer

[05:08:25]

wagnerrp:

hardware based compression just doesnt exist for consumers

[05:08:42]

wagnerrp:

you have to buy a professional video editing card, starting at ~$2K

[05:08:54]

justin_home:

OK – I stop mythbackend, run mythtv-setup, go the Channel Editor, delete all channels, exit, restart mythbackend, run mythfilldatabase...and all the same channels are back, even though I removed almost half of them via SchedulesDirect

[05:09:00]

wagnerrp:

(it doesnt exist under windows either)

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Lexridge:

look into hte Decklink cards....windows and Mac only however.

[05:09:26]

sphery:

justin_home: are you doing it like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (i.e. Delete all video sources)

[05:09:35]

Lexridge:

they run in 10bit uncompressed for the most part.

[05:10:07]

Lexridge:

note that is 10 bit component...10 for Y, 10 for R-y and 10 for y-g

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Catonic:

and what of hdtv capture?

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wagnerrp:

wow, h264 encoder for $120

[05:10:27]

Lexridge:

this is HDTV capture.

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wagnerrp:

catonic: ATSC and DVB cards do HDTV capture just fine

[05:11:11]

wagnerrp:

bah, SD resolutions only

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: yes, but not at 10 bit. They only capture the 19Mb or less stream from off air and record it.

[05:12:03]

wagnerrp:

i was looking at the component capture stick

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Lexridge:

Any station broadcasting more than 1 channel (ie 10.1, 10.2, 10.3..etc) are NOT feeding us a HDTV signal. Even at a full 19Mb/s it still questionable.

[05:14:53]

wagnerrp:

largest ive ever recorded is ~15mbps (average)

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Lexridge:

I get SD commercials that are encoded at 25 Mb/s. And that is Standard def. I'll bet not ONe of you has ever seen a full 3Gb/s Hd signal.

[05:15:50]

Lexridge:

It is truely amazing, but sadly, most people will never see one. :(

[05:15:55]

wagnerrp:

certainly, the signal coming out of my video card is far more than 3Gbps

[05:16:32]

wagnerrp:

digital theaters are uncompressed

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Lexridge:

that is different.

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wagnerrp:

what is?

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Lexridge:

I'm talking about home use. Digital theaters are indeed very high bitrate.

[05:17:44]

Lexridge:

and the equipment used to show it is hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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wagnerrp:

the video pumped out of my workstation is ~17Gbps

[05:18:19]

Lexridge:

and digital theaters are not using 720p or 1080i either.

[05:19:19]

Lexridge:

pumped out from what type of input? if you playing video out of it, it is being upconverted by your gfx card.

[05:19:44]

wagnerrp:

on-the-fly 3D rendering

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wagnerrp:

or sometimes pre-rendered with povray

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wagnerrp:

although pre-rendered usually isnt in motion

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wagnerrp:

and to be honest, on-the-fly isnt in motion either, more of a slideshow at that resolution

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Lexridge:

true.

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wagnerrp:

but at least the signal is 7680x1600@60Hz

[05:22:03]

wagnerrp:

used to be 5120x3200, but the wide format just works better

[05:22:03]

Lexridge:

but you cannot play that at 23.9 in real time I'd bet.

[05:22:47]

wagnerrp:

im sure if i pre-rendered something and cached it in memory, i could

[05:23:00]

wagnerrp:

of course it would be playing for all of a couple seconds

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Lexridge:

try it....I'd be curious to know.....what kind of video card is it?

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wagnerrp:

quadro 4500

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wagnerrp:

professional version of the 7950 X2

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justin_home:

there we go – thanks, sphery

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sphery:

glad it worked

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Lexridge:

I priced out a card that could do 360Mb/s in real time 1080i or 720p and it was $4000!! ATI as well.

[05:24:46]

Lexridge:

of couse it outputted for HD-SDI with embedded AES/EBU as well.

[05:24:54]

justin_home:

I've noticed that my SD recordings are running about 1GB/30 mins – does that sound normal?

[05:24:57]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the encryption is a big issue

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renjith:

Hi All

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wagnerrp:

justin_home: thats the default bitrate for an IVTV card

[05:25:41]

renjith:

I have brought up MythTV in my machine.

[05:26:03]

justin_home:

So, that's basically raw, uncompressed?

[05:26:16]

wagnerrp:

no, thats 4500kbps mpeg2

[05:26:18]

renjith:

now i want to test it from a remote machine

[05:26:26]

renjith:

remote machine os is cetos5

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renjith:

the qmysql driver cannot installed in centos that i installed in fedora7

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wagnerrp:

raw video at that resolution is ~30MB/s

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Why, just because he's coming from the exact same IP at the exact same provider? For shame, you cynic.

[05:27:32]

wagnerrp:

so install a qmysql driver for centos5

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renjith:

i tried to install, but it says need some dependencies

[05:28:32]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: Does the quadro 4500 have component or HD-SDI outputs, or just DVI?

[05:28:43]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, guess that's a bit presumptuous of me

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wagnerrp:

just DVI

[05:28:52]

wagnerrp:

4x DL-DVI

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renjith:

does it will install using yum install?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I wasn't paying enough attention or I probably would have gotten colorful

[05:29:17]

justin_home:

OK – I'll have to go through the transcoding howtos over the weekend and work out how to automatically have it convert the .nuv recordings to xvid – no reason an hour long SDTV show with no commercials needs to take up any more than about 350MB

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: so it would take a very expensive converter to get get ASI out of it. :( bummer.

[05:29:39]

wagnerrp:

nuvs? what kind of card are you recording from?

[05:29:52]

justin_home:

old ATI TV Wonder

[05:30:07]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I thought it was especially bad because you were doing such a good job of answering his questions (and volunteering your time to do it)

[05:30:21]

wagnerrp:

ah, well then youre probably recording with rtjpeg, relatively low compression ability

[05:31:12]

justin_home:

Ah – yet another reason why I oughta get me a PVR-150

[05:31:33]

justin_home:

I think I'll have to hit up ebay tomorrow after I gets paid

[05:31:47]

wagnerrp:

justin_home: as mentioned, 2GB/hr is default bitrate for ivtv cards (pvr-150 included)

[05:32:11]

wagnerrp:

if youve got the space, most people bump that up to 3–3.5GB/hr

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justin_home:

Right – I'm not so much concerned with initial recording size as long as I can transcode them to a smaller filesize later

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, 350MB is just some arbitrary half-cd size online rip groups decided on

[05:34:18]

wagnerrp:

it is by no means an ideal size

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justin_home:

True, but it's acceptable quality

[05:34:55]

Lexridge:

justin: what most people do not realize is that WS DVDs downconverted from HD look pretty damn good on a progressive HD widescreen monitor. Comparing a HD blueray burn to a SD DVD, there is some differnece, but not that much.

[05:35:44]

Lexridge:

as long as you do your downconversion correctly. ;)

[05:36:25]

justin_home:

I'm not talking about ripping DVDs, I'm talking about TV recordings

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Lexridge:

I know, I guess I misstyped...DVDs created FROM HDTV content, is what I should have said.

[05:37:04]

justin_home:

Ah

[05:37:08]

justin_home:

gotcha

[05:37:40]

justin_home:

I don't have an HD cable box, so while that's something I'll probably want to think about in the future, for now I'm not too worried about it

[05:38:35]

justin_home:

wagnerrp, what would you say is an ideal compression for SD content, as far as size/quality?

[05:38:40]

Lexridge:

my sickness is college football games....I download them in 1080p and convert them to 480p WS and they look remarkable.

[05:39:24]

wagnerrp:

not sure where you would get 1080p football games

[05:39:32]

Lexridge:

always go for full 720x480. The black bars on SDTVs are inserted by your DVD player..and do not use pixels.

[05:40:07]

Lexridge:

opps, 1080i is what I meant. There all over the torrent sites.

[05:40:10]

wagnerrp:

arent those usually recorded in 1080i?

[05:40:42]

wagnerrp:

anyway, best to keep that kind of talk elsewhere

[05:40:55]

wagnerrp:

at least say you 'recorded them'

[05:41:08]

Lexridge:

yea, i guess technically, tha is not entirely legal....sorry

[05:41:32]

Lexridge:

I did record them :)

[05:41:32]

kormoc:

Lexridge, you should read the channel rules, talks of BT is a ban able topic in here

[05:41:58]

Lexridge:

I understand and apologize. Big mistake.

[05:42:11]

Lexridge:

I got caught up in the moment.

[05:43:10]

Lexridge:

anyway, when you re-encode you HD sources, be sure to turn on the WS bit, you will actually waste pixels on render black bars.

[05:43:42]

wagnerrp:

is this a mythtranscode property?

[05:44:03]

Lexridge:

use avidemux. It has many more valuable options.

[05:45:08]

Lexridge:

it's kinda like a TMPGEnc Xpress for Linux.

[05:45:16]

wagnerrp:

any proper encoder should have a crop function, rather than just a 'ws' option

[05:45:32]

Lexridge:

avidemux does have this.

[05:45:44]

Lexridge:

and it can de-interlace as well.

[05:46:10]

Lexridge:

have you guys not used avidemux?!?!?!?

[05:46:24]

wagnerrp:

im partial to megui personally

[05:46:42]

Lexridge:

humm, not tried that one...but I will look it up now. :)

[05:46:48]

wagnerrp:

its windows only

[05:46:52]

Lexridge:

oh

[05:47:15]

wagnerrp:

its basically a frontend for avisynth

[05:47:15]

Lexridge:

well, give avidemux a try if you use linux much.. It's really quite good!!

[05:47:25]

wagnerrp:

which is a video processing scripting language

[05:47:37]

Lexridge:

avidemux is also available for mac and windows as well.

[05:47:40]

wagnerrp:

extremely powerful, if perhaps a bit slow

[05:48:10]

Lexridge:

http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/

[05:48:32]

Lexridge:

if you get the windows version, get the QT version for windows.

[05:48:53]

Lexridge:

it's all self contained...nothing extra needed.

[05:48:56]

Ryushin:

Where would I find new themes for trunk?

[05:49:06]

wagnerrp:

you dont

[05:49:20]

wagnerrp:

the only functional themes in trunk are the ones included

[05:49:26]

Ryushin:

I saw the mepo hasn't been updated in awhile.

[05:49:34]

Ryushin:

Okay, I guess I'll use whats there.

[05:49:48]

wagnerrp:

there is a big mythui overhaul taking place in trunk

[05:49:54]

Ryushin:

I thought someone might be creating some new ones.

[05:49:55]

wagnerrp:

so old themes are getting broken

[05:50:18]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: because the latest trunk uses QT4 would be my guess.

[05:50:40]

wagnerrp:

no, because the latest trunk is having a mythui overhaul

[05:50:56]

Lexridge:

but does not the mythui use QT4?

[05:51:12]

wagnerrp:

trunk uses qt4, yes

[05:51:32]

wagnerrp:

but changing from qt3 to qt4 doesnt mean the theme scripting language needs to change

[05:51:38]

wagnerrp:

thats just changing on its own

[05:51:52]

Lexridge:

dunno then

[05:52:24]

Lexridge:

I had no luck compiling the latest trunk myself, but I didnt spend a lot of time on it.

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wagnerrp:

wait for gbee to settle down, and then youll probably start to see other themes getting updated for trunk

[05:54:07]

Lexridge:

I was highly disappointed with the themes included with MythDora. My FC6 svn stable has much nicer themes.

[05:56:13]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: have you d/loaded avidemux yet?

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wagnerrp:

no, working on other stuff currently

[05:56:38]

Lexridge:

please try it...it's really slick!

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wagnerrp:

it looks like virtualdub for linux, basically

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Lexridge:

what is nice, it can show you both input and output simultaniously.

[05:57:54]

Lexridge:

helps prevent mistakes.

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wagnerrp:

sounds more like virtualdub for linux

[05:58:22]

Lexridge:

yea, in a way it is.

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Lexridge:

all the codecs are built in, so no external libs are necessary.

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wagnerrp:

thats one of the things i think really hurts linux

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wagnerrp:

no codec framework like directshow and vfw

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Lexridge:

it has loaded files (ie. drm files from pathfire) that nothing else windows or linux can.

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renjith:

wagnerrp : what are the changed i need to do for access to the MySQL database for multiple systems.

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wagnerrp:

go into your system configs, make mysql listed on a real network interface

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wagnerrp:

go into mysql, add permissions for networked systems

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justin_home:

So, is there anything in the works for integrating any of the streaming movie download services? Amazon, Netflix, etc?

[06:02:45]

renjith:

i gone thorugh one pdf file , it says need to modify a file that is present under /etc/mysql/my.cnf

[06:02:56]

Lexridge:

wagnerrp: I think you are correct about the framework, but if it's built in, not really a problem. Apparently there is a lot of borrowed code from mplayer in avidemux.

[06:02:59]

renjith:

but i have the file under /etc/my.cnf

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wagnerrp:

if its built in, it is a problem

[06:03:18]

renjith:

no folder named mysql under /etc

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wagnerrp:

you have to rebuild the entire program just to get a new codec revision

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: mainly for multiple systems compatibility I'd imagine.

[06:04:50]

Lexridge:

It would be a motherfsker to rewrite that code to from codec system to codec system, so I can understand that.

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wagnerrp:

thats why i say it is a problem

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wagnerrp:

there is no single system

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wagnerrp:

because as soon as there were on linux, someone would find fault with it, and go fork everyone over

[06:06:06]

Lexridge:

just try it first and complain later. :)

[06:06:59]

wagnerrp:

im not complaining about avidemux, just about linux media playback in general

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wagnerrp:

if there were such a system, ffmpeg code syncs with mythtv would be a non-issue

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Lexridge:

I know, and I agree. But for linux, it is the best out there as far as ease of use and powerful.

[06:08:38]

Lexridge:

ffmeg is also built into avidemux...but that goes without saying I guess.

[06:09:11]

Lexridge:

and where else does one get a nice gui for ffmpeg?

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doje_:

hi all, I can't get my usbuirt to work. the light flashes but nothing happens.

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Lexridge:

doje: unplug your device, su to root, type "tail /var/log/messages -f" plug your device back in. What does it tell you?

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doje_:

hold on

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justin_home:

Hmm – when doing "Icon Download" in the Channel Editor, is it supposed to automatically set all the icons up?

[06:12:20]

renjith:

can we simulate a TV tuner card using a file

[06:12:36]

justin_home:

Or do I have to go through all 500+ channels and manually select an icon file for each one?

[06:12:42]

wagnerrp:

renjith: sort of

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doje_:

Lexridge: http://pastebin.com/m2bcc8c0b

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renjith:

can we use a file as input instead of a tuner card

[06:13:09]

wagnerrp:

download VLC, feed it a file, set up a IPTV stream

[06:13:21]

wagnerrp:

set up a IPTV tuner in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

i dont know any more about it than that

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renjith:

ok

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doje_:

Lexridge: I had it working under openSUSE 10.2, but I'm using mythbuntu

[06:14:05]

renjith:

how do i can set up a IPTV tuner in mythtv

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renjith:

using myth-setup?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used it

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wagnerrp:

yes mythtv-setup

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renjith:

ok

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renjith:

but it is possible right?

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wagnerrp:

CCFL_Man2: havent you been messing around with IPTV in mythtv?

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justin_home:

The wiki is really unhelpful as far as channel icons go

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CCFL_Man2:

wagnerrp: not lately, i've been trying to understand multicast

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CCFL_Man2:

but it is possible for iptv in myth

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Lexridge:

doje: you may need a kernel update. If this is a new install, perhaps an update for your dist would be a good start.

[06:16:30]

Lexridge:

doje: Later kernels should better support USB tuner devices.

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doje_:

Lexridge: it's 2.6.24

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Lexridge:

doje: you should have at least a 2.6.26.x kernel for these devices

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CCFL_Man2:

you enter in the multicast address and port

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Lexridge:

I'm dead folks....gotta get some winks. cya later.

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doje_:

Lexridge: it worked under openSUSE 10.2, don't that kernel version off hand. but there is an update for mythbuntu, so I'll try that

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doje_:

Lexridge: thanks for the help

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CCFL_Man2:

renjith: you can set up iptv as one of myth's sources

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t0ny2:

Any one here try the diskless server in mythbuntu?

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renjith:

CCFL_Man2 : set up iptv as one of myth's sources? can u please clear it out?

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renjith:

did u mean set using mythtv-setup?

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CCFL_Man2:

renjith: i know there was a wiki about it

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Jan_artus:

Hello everybody

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Jan_artus:

I have a strange problem

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Jan_artus:

I installed mythdora 5 with mythtv 0.21

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Jan_artus:

I have 2 dvb-s cards, one full features and one budget

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renjith:

CCFL_Man2 : ok thanks

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Jan_artus:

EPG comes via EIT on dvb-s cards

[07:26:27]

Jan_artus:

If I record life TV directly from the TV it works fine

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Jan_artus:

if I do a scheduled recording it creates an entry in the recorded programs but if I want to watch the recorded shows the file is not found

[07:28:58]

Jan_artus:

any idea?

[07:29:15]

Jan_artus:

I guess it has something to do with storage groups but there are storage groups define

[07:29:16]

Jan_artus:

d

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Jan_artus:

do I need to attach this groups to something?

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CCFL_Man2:

renjith: i can't find it, unfortunately

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CCFL_Man2:

renjith: the sources i'm using are my own mpeg2 encoders and asi to ip converters

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justinh:

good god. still rattling on about this?

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Jan_artus:

anybody an idea perhaps?

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Jan_artus:

I tried to find it via google but not successful yet

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CCFL_Man2:

renjith: but it involved making a pls file or something, i don't remember the specifics

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justinh:

saying 'yet' suggests you're going to keep trying, so why bother trying to help you here ;)

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cesman:

Jan_artus: you need to investigate the logs (if MythDora logs by default)

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cesman:

Jan_artus: see if there is a /var/log/mythtv

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Jan_artus:

yep

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Jan_artus:

did that

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Jan_artus:

looks like it is starting the recording

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Dibblah:

Jan_artus: Pastebin the log.

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justinh:

Dibblah: what could anybody see in the log that a new user can't possibly interpret themselves? :P

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Jan_artus:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.ca/1255062

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justinh:

could be signal quality issues

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Dibblah:

ARGH.

[08:01:04]

** cesman agrees w/ justinh **

[08:01:11]

justinh:

heh. que sera

[08:01:26]

justinh:

mustn't really want an answer :)

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Dibblah:

Doesn't look like it to me – The time is too regular.

[08:02:15]

justinh:

it's either that or a driver problem

[08:02:52]

justinh:

or maybe his software decrippler is borked

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justinh:

whichever it is, it's a nasty problem

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Dibblah:

Oh, CAM.

[08:04:57]

Dibblah:

Yeah, could be a hardware CAM too.

[08:05:52]

justinh:

less to go wrong with a hardware cam...

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justinh:

oh gawd. better get ready for assembling a nasty hardware hack with some TSSOPs

[08:15:32]

Dagmar:

tssop?

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renjith:

CCFL_Man2 : ok

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Dagmar:

nm. googledit

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renjith:

CCFL_Man2 : what do you meant by pls file?

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justinh:

renjith: PLS... playlist file. OOGLE-AY

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CCFL_Man2:

renjith: i know it was involved somehow but i'm not sure where

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CCFL_Man2:

it was for an old mythvideo configuration

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Dibblah:

The stuff in a hardware CAM is essentially the same as the other type.

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Dibblah:

... It's just implemented far more efficiently.

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renjith:

CCFL_Man2 : ok

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Dagmar:

We need a CAM that doesn't support legal jackassery

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Dibblah:

Eh? There's lots of them.

[08:42:22]

Dibblah:

Most encryption providers make CAMs.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but does anyone make one we can sanely use under Linux?

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Dibblah:

But... The main issue is the multiple tuners thing.

[08:42:56]

Dibblah:

Eh? A CAM is nothing to do with the OS.

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: but the drivers do

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Dibblah:

LinuxDVB has supported CAMs for... Well. I believe ever since it started...

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wagnerrp:

the only US/QAM one available is no longer being produced, and was only ever available to OEMs anyway, never general purpose

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Dagmar:

There's the rub

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Dibblah:

CAMs are not specific to streams.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it seems like no one in the US is going to touch ot go near that

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wagnerrp:

so even if one wanted to buy one, and attempt to develop linux drivers for it

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Dibblah:

The only CAMs I am aware of that are not officially available are NDS + Nagra2/3...

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wagnerrp:

they would have to buy an entire MCE box to get it

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Dibblah:

_there are no drivers required for a CAM_.

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Dagmar:

Like, the FCC was *trying* to make CableCard happen along the same vien.

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Dagmar:

er s/vien/vein/;

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: CAM does not need drivers, but the tuners that support CAMs certainly do

[08:46:09]

Dibblah:

It goes: DVB stream -> CI slot -> CAM -> CI slot -> host.

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Dagmar:

OKay, see, here in the US, those devices basically don't even exist

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Dibblah:

All the host does is to say "tune this channel" and some CI control messages.

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wagnerrp:

will QAM tuners even attempt to dump an encrypted stream?

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: You're talking about a different thing.

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Dibblah:

This is all done on the card.

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: we dont have cards over here

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Dibblah:

In hardware.

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wagnerrp:

we dont have tuners that accept cards

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Dagmar:

Yeah, and for the US, that stuff basically doesn't exist, man.

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wagnerrp:

we dont have external stuff that accepts cards

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Dagmar:

None of the providers that use those in UK would dream of letting us do it

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wagnerrp:

we have had one device, ever. and it was only ever available bundled with prebuild windows mce systems

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Dagmar:

You want satellite? Basically, you get DirectTV or DishNetwork and in both cases, they send you an STB. An STB than uses a cam, too, depending

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Dibblah:

No, it's just that the US decided it has to be different.

[08:49:01]

Dibblah:

Mainly, no – The DTV / Dish boxes don't have CAM slots.

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Dagmar:

No, it's that in the US, lawyers are ready and waiting to DEVOUR any company that dares break ranks on the monopoly.

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Dibblah:

Err... CI slots.

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Dibblah:

They only have card slots.

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Dibblah:

I'm not sure you're using the right terminology.

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Dibblah:

Card == the plastic thingy

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RyeBrye:

Some people have found ways to use DVB-C cards to get DISH network signals – using illegal techniques

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Dagmar:

I know the Dish boxes use a card that contains the customer info and doesn't do much beyond thta, but that's as close as we even *get*

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Dibblah:

CAM == a PCMCIA shaped card with a card slot.

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Dagmar:

CableCard was *supposed* to do that for us.

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Dibblah:

CI == A slot to put the card in.

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Dibblah:

The stream is fed by the card into the CAM, which decrypts the stream using the keys / secrets on the card.

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Dagmar:

Lots of TVs here actually shipped with CableCard slots in them, but that ended pretty fast since there's basically zero cable francises using them

[08:51:14]

Dagmar:

Yeah, belive me I know about smart cards and how they work.

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Dagmar:

You dont' have to program them to be bombarded with it in IT security

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Dibblah:

... This is not just about the smartcard.

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Dagmar:

CableCard was supposed to let you plug the coax into your TV and your TV would pass the signal through the CableCard to get your paid-for content.

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justinh:

RyeBrye: FTA ftw! :D

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Dagmar:

I'm not saying you're wrong about how they work. You misunderstand us.

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Dibblah:

Beats me why the US didn't just use DVB-c/s anyway.

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Dagmar:

This is basically the _lament_ of the American TV geek..

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Dibblah:

-t there are _some_ possible reasons to avoid.

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Dagmar:

No CAM-tech.

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justinh:

Dagmar: it's not much better here FWIW

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Dibblah:

Well, yes there is, but it's hidden from view.

[08:53:29]

Dibblah:

Only because NDS doesn't provide a CAM.

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justinh:

not hidden as such. borderline illegal or at the very least breaching provider T&Cs

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Dibblah:

And because the cable companies are so afraid of signal theft.

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justinh:

if they were more afraid they'd do something about it ;)

[08:54:26]

Dagmar:

I had a chat with someone at Phreaknic while I was rather drunk, so that sort of counts as maintaining clean hands (I don't remember much of anything) who got me up to speed on what that space is doing

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Dibblah:

justinh: I meant that CAMs do exist in US receivers.

[08:54:46]

Dibblah:

They're just embedded.

[08:54:51]

justinh:

Dibblah: sure they do. it's just that they're not available for Joe linuxuser123 to buy

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Dagmar:

...which basically makes their existance a null point.

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justinh:

same with NDS :)

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justinh:

infact I'd not be surprised if it was the same tech

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Dibblah:

It's not.

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Dibblah:

The US is Nagra2 and going 3.

[08:55:39]

Dibblah:

Not Videoguard.

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justinh:

all of it? god not surprised it's hacked to feck

[08:56:03]

Dagmar:

Look into Wired.com's archives

[08:56:04]

Dibblah:

The big two, yes.

[08:56:05]

justinh:

what they need is some NDS action. Oh boy

[08:56:13]

Dagmar:

They've all been broken

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Dibblah:

Not NDS, no.

[08:56:30]

Dibblah:

NDS is still valid.

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justinh:

NDS musta been. it's just been so damn well wrapped up

[08:56:45]

Dibblah:

... And ironically works really well for a Myth box.

[08:56:56]

Dibblah:

... If you can obtain a CAM.

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justinh:

Dibblah: other than when they roll the keys of course

[08:57:12]

Dibblah:

Even when.

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justinh:

which means you have to re-validate the card

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Dagmar:

Yer not getting a CAM for an open-source OS in the US.

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justinh:

but it's all moot for me since there is literally BUGGER ALL worth watching on Sky

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Dagmar:

You could buy all the PCI cardslot interfaces for them you like, they're just not letting it happen in the US.

[08:57:58]

justinh:

(that can't be got from 'other sources')

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justinh:

(for free, in better quality)

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Dagmar:

justinh: Not that Lost is any epic achievement, but ABC and NBC seem to have picked up a bit of a clue now

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Dagmar:

Most of their *new* shoes are going up for free access

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Dibblah:

How many times? The CI slot is on the DVB card.

[08:59:14]

RyeBrye:

I think I know a guy who pirates satellite using linux and a softcam

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C0p3rn1c:

mythtv can't find any channels. do i maybe need to do some extra configuration?

[08:59:30]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: That's pretty much the norm

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justinh:

RyeBrye: his email address is linuxguy123@gmail.com

[08:59:40]

RyeBrye:

:)

[08:59:56]

Dagmar:

...at least for sat piracy

[09:00:08]

Dibblah:

OT, but interesting addition to a BBQ: http://imagenebula.com/?task=view&id=2149

[09:00:42]

justinh:

it's almost worth banding together & paying a hacker.. then going public with an NDS crack

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Dibblah:

C0p3rn1c: That's an annoying nick, but which guide are you following?

[09:01:05]

Dibblah:

NDS is _very_ difficult to crack. There's no way into the card.

[09:01:18]

C0p3rn1c:

no guide i was just winging it =)

[09:01:22]

RyeBrye:

Dibblah – that's nuts – that guy OBVIOUSLY doesn't grill that often

[09:01:24]

Dibblah:

Follow a guide.

[09:01:31]

wagnerrp:

ugh... university systems are down from midnight to 6am

[09:01:35]

justinh:

ahh. winging it results in whingeing.. always :)

[09:01:37]

kormoc:

RyeBrye, he said that's just over a winter

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wagnerrp:

why are they offline, its not like there are actually people manning them at other times of the day

[09:01:50]

C0p3rn1c:

Dibblah: ok, yeah sorry

[09:01:57]

wagnerrp:

there arent people there until midnight

[09:02:08]

** RyeBrye has 4 grills and considers it a bad week if he only grills once **

[09:02:19]

wagnerrp:

4 grills?

[09:02:28]

wagnerrp:

you dont... toss the old one when you get a new one?

[09:02:30]

justinh:

C0p3rn1c: in common with lots of users' experience, randomly clicking stuff on mythtv doesn't usually result in anything working.

[09:02:43]

RyeBrye:

wagnerrp – 1 gas, 1 charcoal, 1 smoker, and 2 kettles

[09:02:48]

RyeBrye:

err

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RyeBrye:

that doesn't add up... I mean 1 gas, 2 charcoal kettles, 1 smoker :)

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** RyeBrye realizes it is late **

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C0p3rn1c:

justinh: it doesnt ?! :D

[09:03:24]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i should go to bed too... have to drive over to indianapolis tomorrow

[09:03:32]

C0p3rn1c:

justinh: I have done this before thats why I wasnt following a guide

[09:04:02]

justinh:

yeah I recognised your (VERY) annoying nick

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justinh:

numb3r5 a5 l3tt3r5 r0ck! :-\

[09:04:35]

C0p3rn1c:

lol

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C0p3rn1c:

thank you

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kormoc:

l33tn335 4b0und5!

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Ry3Bry3:

I suddenly feel let

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kormoc:

and with that, the dude abides

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** RyeBrye must go to bed now **

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justinh:

urge.. to kill ... subsiding...

[09:06:18]

C0p3rn1c:

guys your irc client has auto nick completion, you know that right?

[09:06:34]

justinh:

duh

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C0p3rn1c:

then I dunno what the problem is here, it's just leet ...

[09:07:08]

justinh:

still though, a mixed alphanumeric nick isn't as annoying as Matrix character-based nicks

[09:08:33]

justinh:

C0p3rn1c: yeah.. that's just the problem. people who are 'leet' generally ain't. that's the greatest of ironies

[09:08:48]

C0p3rn1c:

so? :)

[09:08:57]

C0p3rn1c:

who cares ...

[09:09:02]

justinh:

indeed

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Dibblah:

In a large number of fonts, 0 is similar to O.

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justinh:

what I cannot see, I cannot find annoying :)

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Dibblah:

And if your nick is hard to type to complete, I'm buggered if I'm going to spend extra time to talk to you.

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C0p3rn1c:

C0 <tab>

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C0p3rn1c:

is that hard?

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justinh:

anybody remember that guy called 'l1nuxguru' ? He got stuck at the install stage cos he was looking for the ANY key

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Dibblah:

Harder than an alpha nick, yes.

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C0p3rn1c:

justinh: roflol the any key

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C0p3rn1c:

well my first distro was gentoo so I guess I can follow a tutorial, that aint it :)

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Dibblah:

Oh, well, that makes it OK then!

[09:13:06]

Dibblah:

We all know Gentoo users float to the top...

[09:14:15]

Dibblah:

Anyway, you provided no information.

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Dibblah:

What are you scanning? DVB / ...?

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C0p3rn1c:

yeah

[09:14:35]

C0p3rn1c:

ï»¿ï»¿Probed info: unknown/generic saa7134

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C0p3rn1c:

but I was gonna find me a tutorial

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Dibblah:

Okay. That's a good plan.

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C0p3rn1c:

but I'm attacked from all sides

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C0p3rn1c:

so never got to it

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C0p3rn1c:

just because of leet

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C0p3rn1c:

damz a bit frustrated

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C0p3rn1c:

in here

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Dibblah:

Yes. leet will get you in trouble ;)

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C0p3rn1c:

lol

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CCFL_Man2:

Dibblah: for a transport stream you can get a commercial satellite receiver and commercial subscription and have dvb-asi output

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CCFL_Man2:

in the US

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C0p3rn1c:

I chose the nickname copernic because he dident care what other people thought of him, he was corradgious enough to tell every1 the earth is round instead of flat :)

[09:17:41]

C0p3rn1c:

my previous nickname was TheEnlightenedOne but I changed it because I dident want people to think that I was arrogant :)

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C0p3rn1c:

but it's not working out for me lol

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CCFL_Man2:

i have gone to running my own cable tv headend as my hobby

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Dibblah:

You mean Copernicus, right?

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C0p3rn1c:

uhu

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C0p3rn1c:

courageous*

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Dibblah:

You can tell all of these mythUI patches are good.

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Dibblah:

More – than + lines :)

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CCFL_Man2:

i could not get udp multicast streams working in mplayer for some reason

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Dibblah:

Did you look in the trac ticket?

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CCFL_Man2:

seeking errors

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Dibblah:

listening on the wrong interface, or something.

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CCFL_Man2:

i did not

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Dibblah:

Oh, sorry.

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Dibblah:

Thinko :)

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CCFL_Man2:

i have to have mplayer listen on the right interface?

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Dibblah:

no, sorry.

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Dibblah:

There's a ticket in Myth Trac related to streaming.

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CCFL_Man2:

oh

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CCFL_Man2:

vlc plays it though

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Dibblah:

Yeah, I got it wrong.

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Dibblah:

It's completely unrelated to your issue.

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C0p3rn1c:

Its a driver issue I think, I installed mythtv correctly

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C0p3rn1c:

currently i'm installing a medion 7134 card

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C0p3rn1c:

mythtvfrontend lets me zap between channels but they only have static(and yes I checked the cable)

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C0p3rn1c:

the second time I start the frontend it works less ok, I just get static again but channel switching doesnt work anymore

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Dibblah:

So when I asked "DVB" and you said yes...

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C0p3rn1c:

yeah my bad, its just because I was working with dvb a few weeks ago I guess

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** C0p3rn1c is currently checking out linuxtv.org **

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C0p3rn1c:

yay I found my card on linuxtv.org aparently its supported

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C0p3rn1c:

pretty old docs though

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directhex:

iamlindoro, 10 kinds of awesome: http://www.bornegames.com/?page_id=369

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C0p3rn1c:

hehe

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C0p3rn1c:

well I followed http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion

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C0p3rn1c:

I have the second one

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C0p3rn1c:

dident work

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C0p3rn1c:

I followed this installation guide I mean : http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Generic_ . . . Installation

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C0p3rn1c:

tvtime-scanner should give an error if my tv-tuner isnt installed correctly right?

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C0p3rn1c:

yeah it works

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C0p3rn1c:

tvtime-scanner does find channels

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gronslet:

Hi guys – I have a fresh mythtv-0.21-fixes installation (from rpmfusion, using Fedora 9), and mythtv-setup keeps crashing on me:

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gronslet:

"kernel: mythtv-setup[14593]: segfault at 3d4 ip 3fb7614091 sp 7fffae953410 error 4 in ld-2.8.so[3fb7600000+1d000]"

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gronslet:

Also: "kernel: mythtv-setup[13963]: segfault at 128 ip 392900f970 sp 41c7f888 error 4 in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8[3928a00000+885000]"

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gronslet:

I'm running a dualcore 64 bit system

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gronslet:

Any hints on how to pin this down appreciated

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gronslet:

My frontend reports version 0.21.20080304–1

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gronslet:

Same problem reported here: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=58229

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gronslet:

I'm also getting "mythtv-setup: xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed." when I scan for channels in mythtv-setup

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anykey_:

gronslet: try taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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gronslet:

will do – thanks

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gronslet:

great – this was actually the command I was looking for – I guess it will avoid the thread unsafe QString bug or something?

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gronslet:

Scanning channels for /dev/video0 succeeded now :)

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gronslet:

doing video1 now

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gronslet:

(I have a PVR-500 dual tuner card)

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jduggan:

gbee around? =]

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gronslet:

anykey, scanning seems to work, but mythtv-setup still segfaults when I exit (segfault at 3d4 ip xxx sp xxx error 4 in ld-2.8.so)

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gronslet:

Hm, something's wrong here – in mythweb I have alot of channels listed, but when i press up/down when watching live TV, not all of them are shown

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gbee:

jduggan: all depends on what you are going to ask I guess ;)

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C0p3rn1c:

how do you fix the overlay problem with ati frgl?

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C0p3rn1c:

fglrx*

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jduggan:

gbee: real basic, now that five has announced fta broadcast i decided to invest in dvb-s, already ordered a nova-s from ebay, just wondered if you had any success with comflagging or is it as bad as dvb-t etc :\

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gbee:

ooff, ambush

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C0p3rn1c:

I've bin trying http://www.uhlala.it/technology/linux-ati-fglrx-and-tvtime/ but no luck :(

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gbee:

C0p3rn1c: Option "TexturedVideo" "on" ?

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C0p3rn1c:

I'll try 1 sec

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gbee:

jduggan: ahh, never even tried commflagging since getting DVB-S

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gbee:

I'm guessing it's not much better, but without trying it

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gbee:

I added something to trunk which will help with commflagging some stuff, mostly older or US 4:3 programmes, so limited but still – detects aspect ratio changes between adverts and the programme

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gbee:

mythcommflag hasn't been modified to use it yet, but I expect that someone will do so pretty soon

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C0p3rn1c:

gbee: thx, yay now tvtime starts at least

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C0p3rn1c:

yay I can watch tv

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C0p3rn1c:

alot of flickering tough

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C0p3rn1c:

no sound arg

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gbee:

C0p3rn1c: hdmi audio?

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C0p3rn1c:

it's a medion 7134

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gbee:

ahh, can't help there

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gbee:

thought you might be using the HDMI audio out of the ATI card

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C0p3rn1c:

I dont think so, its a pretty old pc

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C0p3rn1c:

Philips TV/Radio Card CTX918, (Medion 7134), PCI

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C0p3rn1c:

it should work according to linuxtv.org

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gbee:

framegrabber? There is probably a whole chapter of the docs dedicated to describing how to configure the audio capture for framegrabbers

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gbee:

I'm exaggerating, but it should be well covered

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gbee:

more complicated than with a digital card, or a hardware encoder like the PVR-150, which is just one of many reasons we don't recommend framegrabbers (or lamegrabbers)

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C0p3rn1c:

dmesg says "saa7134 alsa driver for DMA sound loaded"

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gronslet:

regarding my segfault problems, I got fed up, and removed 0.21-fixes. Installing from trunk now...

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C0p3rn1c:

there is an error http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m5322c72fv

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C0p3rn1c:

frontend init failed

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gbee:

C0p3rn1c: is it a DVB card?

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C0p3rn1c:

gbee: its this card > http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Pinnacle_PCTV_Stereo

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C0p3rn1c:

oh sorry I mean its this card I was talking about: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion

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C0p3rn1c:

I'm trying to install both)

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C0p3rn1c:

on a different system ofcource

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C0p3rn1c:

gbee: so it's a dvb-t card

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a1fa:

wow.. finally got an nvidia 6600GT card

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a1fa:

:P

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a1fa:

bye bye xbmc frontend

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a1fa:

i would like to enable closed-captioning on my backend

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a1fa:

according to wiki VBI format needs to be adjusted

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porcodildo:

is it possible to do livetv streaming via mythweb?

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a1fa:

no

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porcodildo:

will it be possible?

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a1fa:

dont know

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C0p3rn1c:

let me know if you know how to do that

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GreyFoxx:

I don't think it's currently high on any ones list

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C0p3rn1c:

live transcoding

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porcodildo:

I have found this: http://www.knoppmythwiki.org/index.php?page=MythstreamTVLive

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C0p3rn1c:

http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /221426.html this guy has written a script to transcode to a nokia phone

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C0p3rn1c:

thx porcodildo, I never would have found it without you :)

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dacs:

anyone have a link on how to install WinTV-HVR-1600 in linux

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porcodildo:

-.-

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs google might have ? :)

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: oh thanks for the help, i couldn't do it without you mate

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** dacs shake his head **

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs: did you check on linuxtv.org?

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: i am there now

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C0p3rn1c:

ok thats the main site for tv-tuner support so

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a1fa:

wow

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a1fa:

$499.99 42" lcd at newegg

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a1fa:

720p tho :(

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: i am having a tough time to know where to look on that page

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dacs:

:(

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs: ok i'll look with you

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: oh, thank you

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C0p3rn1c:

you can also use google for this: google WinTV-HVR-1600 site:http://www.linuxtv.org

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C0p3rn1c:

I can't find anything usefull either

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/faq/support_faq_hvr1600.html#3a

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C0p3rn1c:

I googled it outside linuxtv.org

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wagnerrp:

ugh... why to radio channels keep swapping frequencies

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: i read that page and i was not able to get http://www.linuxtv.org/hg/~hverkuil/cx18/archive/tip.tar.bz2

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wagnerrp:

i woke up to country this monrning

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=692414 is the original thread

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs: you can also search for a Conexant cx23418 driver

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs:let me know if you can get it to work ok?

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: i will , thank you so much for all your help, very much appreciated

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C0p3rn1c:

dacs: your welcome

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dacs:

C0p3rn1c: will bug u later

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C0p3rn1c:

k .-

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C0p3rn1c:

:)

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C0p3rn1c:

ï»¿ï»¿can somebody help me getting this tv-card to work? My sound doesnt work .ï»¿I have the Philips TV/Radio Card CTX918, (Medion 7134), PCI . http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m1bc9851c

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iamlindoro_:

You should seek help for that in #linuxtv

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C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro: ok sorry

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wagnerrp:

actually, considering its a dvb-t card, would this more likely be an alsa issue?

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wagnerrp:

its digital, if you get video, you get sound

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C0p3rn1c:

my sound works

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wagnerrp:

you just said 'My sound doesnt work'

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C0p3rn1c:

on normal video, just not with my tuner

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wagnerrp:

so you may not have the proper codecs for decoding

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wagnerrp:

although i would think if you had some prepackaged build, it would have whats necessary

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wagnerrp:

try the recordings in a different player, see what you get

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Read his pastebin, his card setup is wrong

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iamlindoro_:

I would guess he's using the /dev/video# interface as his dvb setup failed

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wagnerrp:

so hes using one that has a framegrabber as well

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iamlindoro_:

so the sound issues make sense in light of a framegrabber

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C0p3rn1c:

what was a framegrabber again?

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wagnerrp:

analog POS

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iamlindoro_:

The absolute worst possible type of capture device

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C0p3rn1c:

aha :)

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C0p3rn1c:

that sounds about right

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wagnerrp:

dumps raw frames to some point in system memory

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iamlindoro_:

but your card is in theory also a DVB-T card, which should be nice if you gt it set up properly

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C0p3rn1c:

ic

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wagnerrp:

once you get dvb working, there should be a fourth dev node, /dev/dvb/adaptor0

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C0p3rn1c:

how can you see what tuner type you have?

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wagnerrp:

google?

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C0p3rn1c:

ic

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iamlindoro_:

This, by the way, is the difference between getting a nice name brand card and some knockoff piece of poop

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iamlindoro_:

Hooray for the digital gymnastics necessary to get generic stuff working

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C0p3rn1c:

it's not my pc

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iamlindoro_:

Then you should tell your friend/parent/etc. to buy better hardware ;)

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C0p3rn1c:

I want 1 with a mp4 chip

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C0p3rn1c:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

seems AMD finally bumped to 45nm

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C0p3rn1c:

yup

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I think you're being amazingly patient in the current live TV thread

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: To do what with? DVB comes pre-encoded

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: only analog capture devices need hardware encoders, not DVB

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sid3windr:

maybe you want it divx'ed ? :)

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: you need to ask your question a different way in #linuxtv-- your problem is *not* that your sound doesn't work

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C0p3rn1c:

uhu

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C0p3rn1c:

better recording

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C0p3rn1c:

and trancoding

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: uhhhhhhhhhhhhh no

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iamlindoro_:

That is not right at all.

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C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro_: enlighten me :)

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iamlindoro_:

DVB is encoded *at the source*, not on your card.

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wagnerrp:

DVB is a digital stream, its pre-compressed

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wagnerrp:

no processing needed

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C0p3rn1c:

what codec does it use ?

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wagnerrp:

over here, mpeg2/ac3

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iamlindoro_:

various codecs, MPEG-2 and h.264 most commonly

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wagnerrp:

over there, you also get h.264, and some other audio options

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iamlindoro_:

And if you *do* change codec, you lose quality, not gain it.

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C0p3rn1c:

MPEG-2 is to big

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C0p3rn1c:

to store on your hdd

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wagnerrp:

your hdd is too small, to store mpeg2

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, you are clueless

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C0p3rn1c:

h.264 would be ok

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wagnerrp:

h264 was only designed to be half the size of mpeg2

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C0p3rn1c:

it's like mp3 and ogg

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iamlindoro_:

it is absolutely nothing like MP3 and ogg

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C0p3rn1c:

ogg is way smaller with the same quality of sound

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iamlindoro_:

if anything, it's closer to MP3 and AAC

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wagnerrp:

ogg is somewhat smaller with the same quality of sound

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wagnerrp:

not 'way'

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C0p3rn1c:

I used ogg alot, for my ogg player app on my phone, it sounded really ok on like 96k

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iamlindoro_:

plus, even if you *did* have a hardware encoder on your DVB card, you couldn't use it for transcoding.

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C0p3rn1c:

anyways you get my point

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wagnerrp:

and besides, theres not so much different in compressibility between properly encoded mpeg2 and hardware encoded mpeg4

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C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro_: I saw some device that was designed for that

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: Whatever device you saw was NOT a tuner card.

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wagnerrp:

the hdpvr dumps h.264

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wagnerrp:

we DO NOT WANT an hdpvr, it is merely a necessary evil since we have no other access to digital cable

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iamlindoro_:

I trust you know how little you know about this, so one would think you would be humble and quit arguing

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C0p3rn1c:

I can see that :)

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wagnerrp:

ogg at 96k loses a lot of quality from the source

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wagnerrp:

similarly, the audio playback on your phone is poor

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, hard drives are cheap and transcoding sucks. More drives + commercial cut will make you a happy person.

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wagnerrp:

and youre probably using a pair of cheap earbuds

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iamlindoro_:

cut out the commercials with myth, keep everything in perfect original quality, brag to all your friends about how their media center sucks

[16:13:02]

C0p3rn1c:

hehe

[16:13:16]

wagnerrp:

if youre happy with what you get, great. but dont claim it sounds good just because you havent heard better

[16:13:47]

C0p3rn1c:

ok I'll be sure to come back here when I begin transcoding again :)

[16:14:23]

iamlindoro_:

Transcoding is for people who aren't discerning enough to see the difference

[16:14:48]

C0p3rn1c:

it's for my phone

[16:15:13]

C0p3rn1c:

I want to use my phone to stream movies over LAN to watch it on my tv lol

[16:15:36]

iamlindoro_:

That idea makes my head ache

[16:15:42]

wagnerrp:

well your phone isnt going to be able to handle anything a hardware mpeg4 capture card puts out anyway

[16:15:45]

C0p3rn1c:

I figured that :D

[16:16:00]

C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: it can

[16:16:06]

wagnerrp:

it simply doesnt have the power

[16:16:12]

C0p3rn1c:

I've done it before

[16:16:38]

C0p3rn1c:

I just need the right codec

[16:16:47]

iamlindoro_:

MPEG4 != MPEG4 != MPEG4

[16:17:02]

iamlindoro_:

MAYBE it can handle ASP, but perish the thought of AVC/h.264

[16:17:11]

iamlindoro_:

and that ASP better be crap bitrate

[16:17:12]

C0p3rn1c:

I can watch untranscoded tv series on my phone

[16:17:15]

wagnerrp:

perhaps you have decoded ASP, but i doubt its capable of devoding AVC of any substantial bitrate

[16:17:23]

C0p3rn1c:

but now I want to stream them

[16:17:33]

C0p3rn1c:

not copy them first, it takes to long

[16:17:51]

iamlindoro_:

We really need a different room for these people

[16:17:58]

iamlindoro_:

#mythtv-effed-up-schemes, anyone?

[16:18:05]

C0p3rn1c:

haha

[16:18:12]

iamlindoro_:

clever can have ops

[16:18:58]

C0p3rn1c:

yes my nokia n95 8gb has good support for h.264

[16:19:08]

iamlindoro_:

oh jeez, here we go

[16:19:13]

clever:

iamlindoro_: thats against freenode regulations, nobody should have @!

[16:19:16]

wagnerrp:

somehow nearly everything i buy off newegg gets nominated for a customer choice awary

[16:19:18]

wagnerrp:

award

[16:19:35]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Nobody should keep ops *on*, there's nothing wrong with having them

[16:19:36]

C0p3rn1c:

lol @ clever

[16:19:45]

clever:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe the ten of us who have should just move to #mythtv-have-read-the-manual

[16:20:39]

clever:

cant read the manual atm, firefox is busy shuting down

[16:21:07]

C0p3rn1c:

clever: killall firefox

[16:21:23]

clever:

error, no such process!

[16:21:26]

clever:

(its firefox-bin)

[16:21:39]

C0p3rn1c:

clever: not on ubuntu :)

[16:21:54]

clever:

not running the package

[16:22:00]

clever:

i downloaded a nightly .tar build

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C0p3rn1c:

ic

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clever:

the 'firefox' command has allways been a sh script

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clever:

and if i wanted to murder it, i would have just taken a -9 axe, not done a proper shutdown

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C0p3rn1c:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

If clever wants to murder a program, all he has to do is start patching it

[16:26:05]

clever:

i usualy start patching it AFTER it breaks

[16:26:24]

iamlindoro_:

sure ya do

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clever:

for example, the patch i made to storage groups has made it a ton more stable

[16:27:20]

clever:

without this patch it would have recorded to a single group and run out of space long ago

[16:28:04]

iamlindoro_:

I'm somehow unexcited about a patch that makes your cobbled together piece of garbage limp along a little further

[16:29:00]

clever:

lol

[16:29:25]

sphery:

clever: what do you mean would have recorded to a single group?

[16:29:27]

clever:

dangit, firefox crashed on startup twice

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clever:

sphery: i have 5 storage groups, and the stupid thing kept recording to the local group with 40mb free

[16:29:57]

sphery:

crash me once, shame on you. crash me twice, shame on your old hardware. ;)

[16:30:07]

clever:

it was 2 different crashes

[16:30:11]

clever:

the 1st, firefox crashed

[16:30:20]

clever:

the 2nd, Xming crashed!

[16:30:31]

sphery:

clever: right, because local is /always/ preferred over remote. If you don't want that, you simply weight it differently...

[16:30:38]

iamlindoro_:

I want to point out that I was teasing clever before it was fashionable

[16:30:42]

clever:

while i could make local&remote equal in weight, io load on the 'empty' groups would push it towards using full ones anyway

[16:30:45]

wagnerrp:

ok, ive been looking through x264 encoding profiles for mobile devices

[16:31:00]

wagnerrp:

limited bitrate (768kbps)

[16:31:01]

C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: and?

[16:31:03]

wagnerrp:

no cabac

[16:31:05]

clever:

sphery: if the remote ones are busy transcoding, it will use the local anyway, and crash itself

[16:31:09]

wagnerrp:

limited macroblocks

[16:31:18]

wagnerrp:

only 1 reference frame

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wagnerrp:

no trellis

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sphery:

clever: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/353396#353396

[16:31:31]

C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: where did you get that number?

[16:31:47]

sphery:

clever: and, BTW, that last statement says it would /not/ always choose the same directory

[16:32:03]

wagnerrp:

megui encoding profile for mobile devices

[16:32:16]

wagnerrp:

there was supposed to be one specifically for the N95, but i cant find it

[16:32:18]

sphery:

BTW, a "storage group" is /not/ a directory, it's a list of directories with a logical name that's unrelated to physical location

[16:32:23]

clever:

sphery: if all the 'remote' groups are busy doing 1 job each, it would prefer the 'local' group, even if i equalize the weights

[16:32:53]

wagnerrp:

no b-pyramid, of course you cant do that with only 1 b-frame anyway

[16:32:58]

clever:

sphery: i see you found one of my posts on the mailing list:P

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C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: that depends on the device, and there is a difference between the n95 and the n95 8gb,not sure how big

[16:33:29]

wagnerrp:

probably a couple of GB

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C0p3rn1c:

hehe

[16:33:55]

C0p3rn1c:

it has more ram

[16:33:58]

C0p3rn1c:

thats for sure

[16:34:15]

wagnerrp:

more ram is meaningless, since the decoder is going to have its own hardware buffers

[16:34:41]

mhatch:

Does mythgallery only work with jpg and avi files? I recoded some of the avi's to mp4's, but mythgallery won't show them in the folder

[16:34:43]

sphery:

clever: then set SGweightLocalStarting to 0, SGweightPerPlayback to 0 , SGweightPerCommFlag to 0 and SGweightPerTranscode to 0, then it just chooses the dir with the most space free

[16:35:13]

clever:

sphery: my patch is designed to let the normal io based weighting continue to do its job, while avoiding the 'full' directorys

[16:35:20]

wagnerrp:

yeah, the N95 8GB is rated at level 1.3

[16:35:23]

clever:

to get the best of both

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wagnerrp:

baseline

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sphery:

and it won't crash if you allow autoexpire (and if you have a full filesystem, you should either allow autoexpire, delete recordings, or set SGweightPerDir:server2:/mnt/video to a /very/ high number

[16:35:56]

wagnerrp:

so a max of 768kbps and 320x240

[16:36:08]

wagnerrp:

youre not going to find a hardware encoder that would spit that out

[16:36:18]

clever:

sphery: increasing the weight on 1 dir wont help much because the group with the free space changes daily

[16:36:22]

wagnerrp:

not consumer grade anyway

[16:36:24]

C0p3rn1c:

I would like 640x480

[16:36:28]

C0p3rn1c:

for tv-out

[16:36:39]

wagnerrp:

well too bad, drop to ASP or mpeg2

[16:36:40]

sphery:

clever: so enable autoexpire (on at least some recordings)

[16:36:47]

sphery:

or delete some recordings

[16:36:50]

clever:

sphery: i have, and they all expired away

[16:37:03]

sphery:

so enable autoexpire on some /more/ recordings

[16:37:18]

clever:

the point of my patch is to let it make the most of the space that is free

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clever:

if theres 10gig here and 40mb there, dont take the stupid path!

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sphery:

which sounds exactly like what it does if you have equal weights

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wagnerrp:

if the N95 is a L1.3 basline decoder, you just cannot get 640x480

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C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: streaming?

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wagnerrp:

ill take that back, theres nothing in the standard blocking it

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C0p3rn1c:

or even in playback you mean

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wagnerrp:

but youll be able to manage that resolution at ~6fps

[16:39:00]

clever:

sphery: equal weights for local/remote alone wont fully fix things

[16:39:00]

clever:

if a 'empty' dir is busy with a job, the dumb thing will record to the 40mb free dir anyway and kill itself

[16:39:09]

C0p3rn1c:

my phone can playback at 25fps with 640x480 h.264

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sphery:

clever: equal weights for everything

[16:39:43]

wagnerrp:

you dont get that kind of performance until L3.0

[16:39:54]

clever:

sphery: that setup just makes the whole weighting system useless, which can lead to it recording to a drive with 5 transcode jobs

[16:39:57]

wagnerrp:

i cannot believe they put that powerful a decoder in a phone

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clever:

causing massive io lag

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C0p3rn1c:

wagnerrp: I can watch high quality movies without converting them

[16:40:35]

wagnerrp:

from what source?

[16:40:47]

C0p3rn1c:

like heroes,californication,...

[16:40:49]

clever:

wagnerrp: 640x480 h264 isnt powerfull, my crap laptop can handle that

[16:40:56]

wagnerrp:

from what source?

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C0p3rn1c:

yeah not streaming

[16:41:18]

C0p3rn1c:

from the internal memory

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wagnerrp:

source! source! where did you get the video

[16:41:38]

C0p3rn1c:

ehm

[16:41:42]

C0p3rn1c:

projectw.org :)

[16:41:47]

C0p3rn1c:

let's see

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Lynet:

wagnerrp: They did. Many of the ARM SoCs used in top of line smartphones have a dedicated video decode core (and often also a dsp) that do quite decent playback.

[16:42:12]

wagnerrp:

so if you pulled standard resolution off the net, its almost guaranteed to be xvid

[16:42:25]

iamlindoro_:

oh, great, you're a pirate. You may go.

[16:42:25]

kkuno:

someone has an imon 0038 device with working lcd?

[16:42:34]

wagnerrp:

xvid == asp

[16:42:42]

wagnerrp:

your phone CAN so asp at 640x480

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wagnerrp:

everything i can find on it says you phone can only manage L1.3 AVC

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C0p3rn1c:

I use a different player for that

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C0p3rn1c:

Coreplayer

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wagnerrp:

so you use a software decoder

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iamlindoro_:

switching software doesn't magically give you new hardware, especially when you switch to a software deoder

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C0p3rn1c:

hey it works ...

[16:45:13]

kkuno:

if someone has an imon 0038 read here: http://codeka.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=78

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iamlindoro_:

I think we can all agree on one thing-- that I personally don't give a good damn about what anyone plays on their phone, and that we should stop talking about it because we are either a) feeding the trolls or b) feeding the clueless

[16:46:25]

wagnerrp:

sounds good... i need to start packing

[16:47:00]

C0p3rn1c:

I'll show you my best encoded h.264 encoded stats

[16:47:02]

C0p3rn1c:

1 sec

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: we DON'T CARE

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iamlindoro_:

it's not MythTV, so it doesn't belong here

[16:47:35]

iamlindoro_:

so go to #linuxtv, get your crap card working, and when you have a Myth question, you can ask it

[16:47:44]

C0p3rn1c:

well I want to transcode to that format

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C0p3rn1c:

with mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

well tough, myth doesn't transcode to h.264

[16:48:06]

iamlindoro_:

so you can go to #ffmpeg for that

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Lynet:

Otoh, a more flexible transcode/export framework for mythtv would be nice.

[16:50:22]

C0p3rn1c:

yeah h.264 is standard for the iphone,nokia nXX

[16:50:46]

C0p3rn1c:

,...

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iamlindoro_:

It's not MythTV's job to support your phone. This is why user jobs exist.

[16:52:31]

iamlindoro_:

Myth supports feeding its recordings and metadata to any program you care to make interface with it. So learn scripting, learn ffmpeg options, and "physician, heal thyself."

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C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro: nobody asked you to create this, we simply said that it would be nice

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iamlindoro_:

No need to create it, you can *already do it*

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C0p3rn1c:

idd

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C0p3rn1c:

thats not the point

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iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: Would you let it go already? You haven't talked about a single Myth relevant thing ONCE since getting here. You had a problem, you were directed to the correct channel to solve it, can you please *stop* now?

[17:03:01]

C0p3rn1c:

sure

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rambo3:

C0p3rn1c, what is the problem?

[17:04:29]

iamlindoro_:

He has a generic DVB capture device he can't get working.

[17:04:44]

rambo3:

C0p3rn1c, do you like fishing?

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iamlindoro_:

Maybe he likes chess

[17:05:19]

iamlindoro_:

Or wants to install MePo on Myth

[17:05:23]

iamlindoro_:

Weren't you banned?

[17:06:00]

rambo3:

No they let me since mythtv devs are part of my white power organization

[17:06:05]

C0p3rn1c:

I have a Mythtv problem but I doubt your interested

[17:06:07]

iamlindoro_:

lovely

[17:06:32]

C0p3rn1c:

that your*

[17:06:39]

iamlindoro_:

That's "you're"

[17:07:17]

C0p3rn1c:

but I dident ask it yet, and whe where just talking about codecs and stuff

[17:07:58]

iamlindoro_:

I'm sure you will get the friendly, helpful, prompt support this channel is known for if you sail within a thousand miles of on-topic island

[17:09:17]

C0p3rn1c:

ok I dident knew you took the on topic rule so seriously , we just got off track, in a discussion

[17:09:49]

iamlindoro_:

You've never been *on* track

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kkuno:

lal

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CoreDump:

" if you sail within a thousand miles of on-topic island" doesn't sound especially seriously to me

[17:12:13]

C0p3rn1c:

well actually my first question was if the symtoms of a screemshot I uploaded where driver or software related

[17:12:25]

C0p3rn1c:

screenshot*

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sphery:

uggghhhh. "I tried using the mythconverg_restore.pl script, but I got errors." "Please copy/paste the error messages so I can fix the script" (implied, tell you what you're doing wrong). "Well, I followed some [completely wrong] instructions on the Ubuntu forum and it worked." (no mention of the alleged errors from the restore script)

[17:14:46]

sphery:

How hard is it to copy/paste the error messages from a terminal? I mean, really, ever heard of *nix copy (i.e. highlight and it's copied)?

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kkuno:

hey men, is it possible to change the name of a recorded program?

[17:16:20]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: How's that live tv thread treating you? ;)

[17:16:22]

kkuno:

and its description?

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clever:

sphery: aparently its imposible even on windows, i usualy have to demand error messages for 2 hours to get anything usefull

[17:16:54]

iamlindoro_:

kkuno: You could manipulate that data in the DB (in table "recorded")

[17:17:17]

dacs:

after sudo apt-get install mercurial linux-headers-$KERNEL_VERSION build-essential

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dacs:

hg clone http://linuxtv.org/hg/v4l-dvb

[17:17:34]

iamlindoro_:

I sense more wrong channelage coming on

[17:17:42]

iamlindoro_:

dacs: sure you don't mean to ask that in #linuxtv?

[17:17:52]

dacs:

it say to cd to v4l-dvb but i don't see that folder

[17:17:54]

dacs:

errro

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kkuno:

iamlindoro, do you know if it is possible to do that with the mythfrontend?

[17:18:27]

C0p3rn1c:

dacs: yeah ask it at the #linuxtv channel, I'm there aswell

[17:18:34]

iamlindoro_:

kkuno: I don't believe so, but I learn something new every day

[17:18:52]

kkuno:

dacs, see which folder hg has created

[17:19:06]

C0p3rn1c:

dacs: These guys don't want to help us with driver problems here

[17:19:27]

dacs:

kkuno: how can i do that

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, we don't help with OpenOffice problems either. We're such jerks.

[17:19:54]

kkuno:

well dacs when you run hg you see something in the terminal, no?

[17:19:58]

CoreDump:

=D

[17:20:31]

C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro:I dident mean it like that

[17:20:34]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Did you catch the IPTables thing is to stop the kid from watching TV? I can't help but think there are more effective methods of parenting

[17:20:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: Just caught up on it. Now I understand your "patience" statement. I guess I was completely reading into all the complaining and thinking that you know saying, "can we treat this as a bug instead of a feature request," "why, oh why can't LiveTV be smarter," etc. were users expecting devs to write code for them. So, based on the latest, "I'm not sure who here was 'complaining' that developers 'needed to do' work ...

[17:20:58]

sphery:

... on MythTV," I guess people were just complaining (though I have a different word for it) for the sole purpose of complaining.

[17:21:07]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: no, didn't get that far, yet.

[17:21:30]

sphery:

my emotions are getting in the way of my efficient-reading of the list

[17:21:41]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Heh... There was some line like "Then why does this list exist?" Ummmmm, it's *not* to demand new features.

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sphery:

"Different playback settings for live and recorded tv?" guy says, "I though [sic] I had cracked it after upgrading to ffmpeg-svn." Don't feel like telling him that Myth does /not/ use the system ffmpeg libs.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I don't feel like telling anyone anything on -users, usually

[17:24:32]

sphery:

kkuno: let's help iamlindoro_ learn something new... In Watch Recordings, you can use the menu (either I or M menu) to go to (I think) "Recording Options" and edit title or subtitle. There's currently no support for editing description.

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iamlindoro_:

You get your tail handed to you for offering anything but a "yeah, they should fix that!"

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kkuno:

sphery, thanks I will try :D

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sphery:

I think I should just start answering with what people want to hear--regardless of how impossibly incorrect it is.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Ah, I didn't see him mention title, I only saw the description part of the question

[17:25:43]

sphery:

yeah, just had to "hand you your tail" ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Gah, brain running multiple sentences together again

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sphery:

So, if used properly, this channel is a huge time saver. Read a message on -users list, complain here instead of replying to the list. Works every time.

[17:26:56]

iamlindoro_:

haha

[17:27:33]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I've never let limited knowledge stop ME from fixing stuff I want changed ;)

[17:27:47]

iamlindoro_:

s/limited/total lack of/

[17:29:30]

J-e-f-f-A_:

iamlindoro_: That's how you learn! ;-) Works for me most of the time too... Learn by *doing*...

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iamlindoro_:

I learn by breaking then fixing ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, quite often, that's the case for me too. But it's also a good way to learn... ;-)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: based on your help with MythTube, I think you must relinquish the descriiption "limited/total lack of knowledge"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Unless, of course, you're breaking a bone or something, that's not a good way to learn imho... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Bah, I might have enough knowledge to "make it work" but I am terribly embarassed by the way it must loook to people who know style/form/etc.

[17:32:05]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: actually, I've heard that the human brain is hard-wired to learn best through blood (=pain), sweat (=a lot of work/repetition), and tears (=frustration). So, I think breaking a bone may help you learn. :)

[17:32:35]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: that's the great thing about style--you can use it as an excuse to cover your mistakes ;)

[17:32:37]

iamlindoro_:

I broke an arm as a kid jumping off the slide. As soon as the cast came off, I jumped off my bunk bed and rebroke it. Conclusion? I am a dumbass.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Well, that explains alot... I've got alot of #2 and 3... (work/repitition and flustration)... ;-) No wonder I'm so good at troubleshooting! ;-)

[17:34:42]

JEDIDIAH__:

...either that or a calcium deficiency.

[17:35:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

mythbusters did an episode on bone breaking...

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: you want to see bad (NO! horrible!) style? Look at some of the ffmpeg source code. Who over wrote that stuff has NO sense of aesthetics!

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JEDIDIAH__:

I wonder how you can manage it getting out of a bunk bed...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

JEDIDIAH__: he said he "jumped" off the bunk bed... big difference...

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sphery:

abqjp: Sorry for the off-list reply. I admit to being a chicken who's afraid to respond in public, but just wanted to make sure you didn't get intimidated into thinking you're completely wrong.

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: heh, I heard you mention h264.c

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: catalyst 8.11 released, UVD not mentioned in the release note

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Gah :(

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abqjp:

sphery: actually have not read your reply yet, but thanks!

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janneg:

and according to the release notes only HD 4800 series is supported

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janneg:

abqjp: libavcodec/h264.c is mostly Michael Niedermayer

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kkuno:

catalyst 8.11 are out

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abqjp:

sphery: good idea about asking Mark Spieth to chime in.

[17:41:47]

abqjp:

janneg: is the rest of ffmpeg better? Or at least the parts he didn't write? :-p

[17:41:49]

sphery:

abqjp: Yeah, hope he has time. Just figure he wrote the current code and had some plans for future stuff.

[17:43:50]

sphery:

ugghh... A long post in "Slow MySQL query after delete" with incorrect information that's likely to cause users to take up torches/pitchforks and cry for devs to fix Myth. Guess I have to make time to reply to that one.

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janneg:

abqjp: I don't think it's horrible. missing spaces before opening braces, after if/while/... and before equal signs make it a little bit harder to read than necessary

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janneg:

but compared to gnu coding style it's still nice and clean

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abqjp:

janneg: so, you have seen worse?

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abqjp:

Ah

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janneg:

I think the rest of ffmpeg has usually more spaces

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abqjp:

I even think the use of blank lines, have their place.

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sphery:

Anyone know wiki magic? On http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Prebuffering_pause clicking the link "Assumptions 2" under "Network I/O Related Issues" takes you to the "Assumptions" of "I/O Wait"? Any way to fix that (or best to just reorg the 2 cases under "Network I/O Related Issues"?

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RyeBrye:

sphery – isn't that doing what it is expected to do?

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RyeBrye:

zsphery – oh, I see... The problem is that someone named the thing "Assumptions 2" on the other one – which collides with the autogenerated anchor "Assumptions_2" for the 2nd assumptions

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RyeBrye:

spehry – I just fied it

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olejl_:

Does anyone know why it is not possible to use the remote to insert the 'Setup Pin'? My remote is otherwise working fine.

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sphery:

RyeBrye: you're my wiki hero. thx

[18:04:29]

RyeBrye:

no problem. That is definitely a mediawiki bug

[18:05:01]

sphery:

For me, wiki = "magic black box", so...

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RyeBrye:

you probably saw how I fixed it- I just renamed the anchors so they wouldn't clobber each other

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Gnea:

I'm having a terrible time getting the remote for my HVR-1600 to work with mythtv... i've got lircd installed and running, and i can verify that it's catching events with irw, but when i run irxevent & nothing is actually passing through to mythtv and all of the docs that i'm finding don't explain why this is

[18:05:36]

sphery:

Yeah, just looked. It would have taken me hours to figure out the why so I could figure out the how to fix it, so I really appreciate the help.

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RyeBrye:

np

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sphery:

Now that you've fixed it, I think I'm going to reorg (so that the hub gets its own case) in such a way that it would have fixed it. But, I still appreciate the understanding gained. :)

[18:08:27]

Gnea:

so has anyone here had success with setting up lirc with a hauppauge card and getting it to work right with mythtv? i've gone through all of the setup and configuration options and nothing is there

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: so how long until you go cower under your desk?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: sounds like you're /etc/lircd.conf file is right, but you need to update the ~mythtv/.lircrc file to properly map your remote buttons to myth functions.

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Hm?

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wagnerrp:

state-wide earthquake drill

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iamlindoro_:

oh, yeah, I'll get right on that

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: What? They never had that when I lived there... (5 yrs, 1981–1986)

[18:22:19]

wagnerrp:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27695531

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iamlindoro_:

I live here and I didn't hear about it :)

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just the area around the san andreas fault

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iamlindoro_:

Taht's us

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Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, tried that, still nothing. restarted mythtv-backend too just to be sure – nada

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: it's the frontend that responds to remote control... Unless you're talking about blasting – ie controlling a Set-top-box... that's different...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Compare the names of the buttons in your lircd.conf with what's defined in .lircrc — they must match, or nothing will be sent to myth.

[18:29:43]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: and check for the obvious — does your mythtv user have right to open the ~mythtv/.lircrc file? (ie: did you create it as root and the mythtv user can't read it?)

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Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: the blaster capability exists, but i'm not taking advantage of it at this time (I probably will later) and I checked the lircrc file, made sure it's in the right place, perms are all good – even tried running irxevent as the mythtv user

[18:32:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Righ, the files are in the right place, but are they setup right? run "irw" and press buttons on the remote — it should display the remote name and the button name as you push each button.

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Gnea:

0000000000001790 00 Vol+ Hauppauge_350

[18:33:36]

Gnea:

0000000000001790 01 Vol+ Hauppauge_350

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Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah?

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C0p3rn1c:

I'm trying to get mythtv to work but so far I only got a black and white picture but I get color in tvtime, any idea on how to fix this?(I have no sound in both btw)

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C0p3rn1c:

and it's always the same channel in mythtv

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Gnea:

C0p3rn1c: what card are you using?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: yes, now compare th button names in your "/etc/lircd.conf" file for the "Hauppauge_350" remote to the mappings in "~mythtv/.lircrc" — ie, if the button "1" is "One" in lircd.conf, it needs to be "One" in .lircrc... otherwise there's no match made to pass to mythtv...

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C0p3rn1c:

Gnea: :ï»¿ I have the Philips TV/Radio Card CTX918, (Medion 7134), PCI

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Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: ah, okay

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Gnea:

C0p3rn1c: did you set it up with mythtv-setup?

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C0p3rn1c:

yes

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Gnea:

and were you able to scan for channels?

[18:36:21]

C0p3rn1c:

yes

[18:36:38]

Gnea:

hrmm

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C0p3rn1c:

there are multiple channels in the list but the tuner doesnt seem to work

[18:36:59]

Gnea:

so you get the B&W when you go to 'watch tv'?

[18:37:20]

C0p3rn1c:

yes

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C0p3rn1c:

and it's 2 x the same picture

[18:37:45]

C0p3rn1c:

very strange

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sphery:

C0p3rn1c: US? Wrong frequency table, perhaps?

[18:38:11]

sphery:

which channel is it?

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C0p3rn1c:

no I used west europe

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wagnerrp:

awesome, youtube is going to start offering full length tv and movies

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sphery:

then wrong standard (i.e. choosing NTSC instead of PAL or something)?

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C0p3rn1c:

I dunno but it stays the same even if I "change" the channel number

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wagnerrp:

in glorious low-res awfulness

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sphery:

wagnerrp: right, /and/ with the additional benefit of /lots/ of unskippable ads

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C0p3rn1c:

I used pal in both cases

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sphery:

and you're sure you don't have an override on that channel or something?

[18:39:53]

C0p3rn1c:

override?

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C0p3rn1c:

ï»¿tvtime only works with sudo, maybe I need to start the frontend also with sudo?

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wagnerrp:

the frontend only needs read access to the recording files

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C0p3rn1c:

what is the default TV format?

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wagnerrp:

and depending on how your system is set up, you may not even need that

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iamlindoro_:

tvtime has no bearing on how a DVB card ought to work in myth, as tvtime can only use the analog portion of the card and presumably you want to use the DVB side of the card-- which, equally presumably, is still broken.

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kkuno:

C0p3rn1c, check /etc/groups

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C0p3rn1c:

I'm double checking on this

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kkuno:

ops

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kkuno:

-.-

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iamlindoro_:

tvtime = program for watching analog tuners. DVB = a digital tuner. If you haven't done something to get /dev/dvb/adapter0 set up properly, then your card is still improperly set up. Once you *do* have /dev/dvb/adapter0, then you should set the card up as a DVB card type (not a v4l card type) and retry your scan.

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sphery:

C0p3rn1c: The default format is specified (in mythtv-setup, I think). However, it looks like you can only do overrides on a per-video-source basis.

[18:44:00]

sphery:

but, yeah, DVB is a much better choice than PAL

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C0p3rn1c:

ehm I dunno where I can check what I picked for default format but I'm sure I picked pal

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Last I checked he was doing a channel scan w/ the analog side of his DVB card. I assume this isn't what he wants, but at last check the dvb node wasn't being created as the card is improperly set up

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C0p3rn1c:

I rember it now

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C0p3rn1c:

but I have no idea what to try next to get this fixed

[18:45:06]

sphery:

yeah, so your approach is better. I just saw "Philips TV/Radio Card" and assumed analog.

[18:45:37]

C0p3rn1c:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_PCI_Cards#Medion

[18:45:46]

C0p3rn1c:

that site says it should work

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wagnerrp:

HAH

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sphery:

Once you get your card configured, it should. :)

[18:46:06]

iamlindoro_:

It also says it's a 6 euro tuner card. So you should expect 6 euro worth of quality

[18:46:07]

wagnerrp:

'Super DVR records four shows at once"

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sphery:

wow... And I can only record 4 HDTV shows at once while playing back some previously-/currently-recordings show (or 2 if I use PiP/PbP)

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C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro_: yeah it\s not my pc im trying to fix it for a friend but it should work at least, no matter what the quality

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sphery:

What's this Super DVR? I need to get me onw.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, i didnt feel like watching the video report

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sphery:

Oh, yeah. I found the link, but it seems I'm not allowed to see it (as I don't have Flash)

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C0p3rn1c:

nobody is responding @ #linuxtv so I guess I wont be able to fix the video card tonight

[18:49:09]

C0p3rn1c:

I can't ask questions here about it i understand, but thanks for the help sofar

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sphery:

Gotta say, though, that the "Related Video", "Google Tracks Flu Trends Through Search Queries" sounds like a /very/ scientifically accurate approach.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: link?

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iamlindoro_:

the "super DVR," that is

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sphery:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=220263

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sphery:

wagnerrp: also, love the byline: WTVJ-TV: It also has another feature in which one can pause a recorded show and start watching it again in another room.

[18:50:50]

wagnerrp:

its magic!

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sphery:

wouldn't that be amazing... Exit from playback on one frontend, setting bookmark, and resuming playback on another frontend.

[18:51:06]

sphery:

I'm definitely switching.

[18:51:25]

sphery:

It seems a good PVR is no longer a Myth

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wagnerrp:

of course its using AT&T U-Verse

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wagnerrp:

which is incapable to streaming 4 channels at once

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sphery:

lol, that just makes it so much better

[18:52:01]

sphery:

that's their DSL TV, right?

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wagnerrp:

the allocate 6mbps to TV

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C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro: why do you think it can do dvb?

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sphery:

maybe you just sign up for 4 DSL accounts...

[18:52:25]

C0p3rn1c:

saa7134 generic card

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Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: well, i'm at a bit of a standstill – when i launch mythtv, i see that it connects as a client to lircd correctly, but when i go to press, say, the power button (which i have bound to Esc), it doesn't do anything, anywhere

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sphery:

Hmmm. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-verse : "AT&T is attempting to leapfrog current cable systems by offering features like a DVR that can record up to 4 shows at a time and is programmable from any web-connected computer."

[18:53:21]

iamlindoro_:

C0p3rn1c: Because the card is a DVB card.

[18:53:32]

iamlindoro_:

try reading the link you keep posting from the linuxtv wiki.

[18:53:42]

iamlindoro_:

You know, the one on the DVB-T page

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sphery:

maybe they just requantize the show (severely) to get 4 to fit in 6Mbps. :)

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iamlindoro_:

You know, where it says "DVB-T working, FM apparently too "

[18:54:35]

C0p3rn1c:

ok sorry bit confused in why it works in tvtime and not in mythtv

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sphery:

"Total Home DVR also allows you to: ... Play back up to 4 recorded shows at once. Up to 3 can be HD recorded programs." I'm thinking that's not each frontend/STB...

[18:55:04]

iamlindoro_:

because it's using the crap analog framegrabber side of your card

[18:55:24]

sphery:

But, "Record more of the show you want to see with soft padding, which automatically adds 1 minute to the beginning and 2 minutes to the end of each pre-scheduled recording."

[18:55:26]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Pastebin your lircd.conf and .lircrc files, and I'll take a quick look at them...

[18:55:57]

sphery:

"You can store up to 37 hours of HD content or up to 133 hours of SD content" Wonder how much I can store in my 6TB...

[18:55:57]

iamlindoro_:

Thankfully myth's framegrabber support is gradually eroding. Like a little appendix.

[18:56:05]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: MOAR!

[18:56:26]

C0p3rn1c:

iamlindoro_: ic

[18:56:45]

wagnerrp:

but then how an i going to use mythtv with my Rage3D AIW

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wagnerrp:

man, im typing really poorly today

[18:57:20]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: ooh... 6TB... ;-) 2x my 3TB... ;-) — I'm ok for now though, only about 60% full atm... ;-)

[18:57:44]

sphery:

I'm thinking about adding caca support to Myth so I can just shell in to my frontend and play back my HDTV recordings in color ASCII...

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Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: http://pastebin.com/d28474789 & http://pastebin.com/m976913e

[18:58:10]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: my 6TB is an accidental upgrade--had 2 HDD failures within the last month. :)

[18:58:24]

iamlindoro_:

Jeez, sometimes I read the -users list and wonder if we're even using the same software

[18:58:40]

sphery:

yeah, I know what you mean.

[18:58:54]

wagnerrp:

so assuming a modest HD bitrate of 15mbps, that means that DVR has a whopping 250GB hard drive

[18:59:14]

iamlindoro_:

"One thing to note is that I haven't been able to get anything recent to compile because it now requires a new h264 library that I haven't installed yet. At least, I think that's my problem."

[18:59:21]

iamlindoro_:

What does that even MEAN?

[18:59:22]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Well, I had a 2.5TB raid5, and 2 drives fail... so I replaced the two bad 500's and switched to storage groups... 6x500GB = ~3TB now...

[18:59:25]

wagnerrp:

way to lead the way to mediocrity AT&T

[18:59:36]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: did you read, "Slow MySQL query after delete"? Basically, "queries were slow, so I deleted a lot of important data and then Myth broke..."

[18:59:46]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Ugh, thankfully I didn't

[19:00:07]

iamlindoro_:

But really, "it now requires a new h264 library?" What???

[19:00:17]

iamlindoro_:

I... but it... No it... ARGH:KGA:HKSDJ:GD:

[19:00:22]

Gnea:

lol

[19:00:34]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: so you no longer use the RAID? (I don't--it's just TV.)

[19:00:48]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i can help with your heart attack if you want:P

[19:00:54]

Gnea:

iamlindoro_: some people had their fish handed to them

[19:01:04]

sphery:

someone stab a needle full of adrenaline in his heart!

[19:01:07]

iamlindoro_:

clever: If I'm not clever proof by now, I never will be

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wagnerrp:

whoops, indianapolis is in EST

[19:02:22]

wagnerrp:

guess i dont have that extra hour i thought i did

[19:04:06]

sphery:

lol... I was just doing a test of an ls | grep on symlinks from mythrename.pl and got nothing, so I tried without the grep and ... got nothing.

[19:04:08]

iamlindoro_:

I want to go explain that --enable-libx264 is brought in from ffmpeg and that's why it doesn't show in a ./configure --help

[19:04:24]

sphery:

turns out mythrenam.pl was just running and had deleted--but not yet re-created--that directory of links

[19:04:27]

iamlindoro_:

and that his trunk will compile fine if he removes --enable-libx264

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iamlindoro_:

but I know it will just end in tears

[19:04:53]

iamlindoro_:

why do people add configure options that are commented out for a reason?

[19:05:13]

iamlindoro_:

"Oh, they must have commented this out to protect the clueless. Surely this doesn't apply to MEEEEEEEE"

[19:05:14]

Gnea:

sphery: why not just find . -type l

[19:06:43]

sphery:

looking for recordings in a specific directory

[19:06:55]

Gnea:

aaah

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clever:

find . -type l -print0|xargs ls -l

[19:07:25]

clever:

oops

[19:07:28]

clever:

find . -type l -print0|xargs -0 ls -l

[19:07:30]

Gnea:

or just find . -type l -ls

[19:07:37]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, it's amazing how it's only the clueless who uncomment the stuff that's not there just to protect the clueless

[19:07:45]

clever:

does -ls show the target of the symlinks though

[19:07:47]

clever:

like ls -l

[19:08:14]

Gnea:

clever: yes.

[19:08:21]

clever:

ah didnt know that

[19:08:25]

Gnea:

try it

[19:08:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Looking at those now – sorry – as nick indicates – @work – and occasionally actually have to do some work!

[19:08:49]

Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: understood – at work here too, but i do have to go in a bit

[19:08:49]

sphery:

yeah, so, basically, I can run find to find a link /and/ run 'ls -l' so that I can then pipe the ls -l output to grep to find which recordings are in which dirs

[19:08:56]

sphery:

or, I can just run ls -l in the first place

[19:09:01]

sphery:

(i.e. the find ads nothing)

[19:09:05]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Yeah, dumped the raid, like you said, it's only TV. Plus, I lost 2.9TB of recordings – now I'd only lose 500GB of recordings with a failed drive...

[19:09:38]

sphery:

yeah, I like the partial loss thing. How'd you lose your whole RAID, though? Multiple concurrent drive failures?

[19:09:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: But my OS disk is a Raid1 200GB drive... That's also where the sql database is.

[19:10:12]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Yes – two 500's failed during a hard boot... they were working fine before shutting down!!!!

[19:11:11]

iamlindoro_:

There, I responded, hope this doesn't make me regret it.

[19:11:46]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Hey, looks like you do an 'include' in your lircd.conf file — I need that too... /usr/share/lirc/remotes/hauppauge/lircd.conf.hauppauge

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Thanks for your useless response. Maybe someone who actually knows something will respond. Please leave the real work to the smart people. /Everyone/ knows that if you update an h264 library, every program on the system will use that new library. That is, after all, how libraries work. (That and the whole lending books thing, but that part seems broken on my systems.)

[19:13:36]

Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: *nod* when i installed lircd, dpkg asked me which remote I wanted to pair up with – there's no 1600 there yet so I figured that'd be as good as it gets – maybe that's the issue

[19:13:51]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I wish I were more right-headed

[19:13:54]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: that was a joke, btw--just in case it wasn't clear

[19:14:01]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: duh ;)

[19:14:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Well, if "IRW" displays the buttons when you press them, then that's not the issue. It's your mapping, or the .lircrc file isn't found by myth...

[19:14:31]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: now to teach them the difference between an ENCODER library and a DECODER.

[19:14:36]

Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, I think it's the mapping

[19:14:41]

sphery:

Yeah, one day I hope to be right-headed like YL. I would try moving my part to the other side of my hair, but I shave my head, so...

[19:14:45]

jams:

sphery- well now see I was about to give iamlindoro the option to kick your for saying such things

[19:14:49]

Gnea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: i'll give that a go and see what happens – thanks for your help :)

[19:15:07]

iamlindoro_:

I should not be given power to kick anyone. I'd be talking to myself in hre.

[19:15:09]

iamlindoro_:

;)

[19:15:10]

sphery:

jams: guess it's good I explained for everyone else, then. :)

[19:15:14]

jams:

hehe

[19:15:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: ^^ true... ;-)

[19:16:12]

justin_work:

Hi, folks – I'm thinking I'm ready to add a second tuner to my backend, but I'm not sure how exactly to accomplish that

[19:16:38]

** jams goes back to busy work **

[19:16:39]

sphery:

I find I'm often talking to myself in here (in spite of everyone else in here), but I can't blame you all for not being interested in some of my random idlings...

[19:16:44]

justin_work:

For example, I'd have to be able to control multiple cable STBs, but I only have one serial port on my backend

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iamlindoro_:

justin_work: You could use IR blasting, or add a serial card/USB to serial adapter.

[19:17:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Gnea: Also, I seem to have forgotten, that the file needs to be accessable as ~mythtv/.lircrc and ~mythtv/.mythtv/.lircrc – so put the real file in one location, and create a symbolic link to it for the other location.

[19:17:41]

sphery:

justin_work: sounds like a job for an IR /blaster/ (as opposed to a simple IR /transmitter/) and multiple different STB's set with different remote IR codesets...

[19:18:12]

justin_work:

Yeah...don't think that'll really work, as my cable co (TWC) only provides one type of STB

[19:18:43]

iamlindoro_:

Then use 2 x USB to serial and 2 x ir transmitters

[19:18:54]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I think that requirement--that we have a ~/.mythtv/lircrc (note that there's no dot in the "lircrc" filename) was removed with 0.21--now it falls back to ~/.lircrc if there's no Myth-specific one

[19:19:27]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

sphery: Ah, ok. I just didn't want him banging his head against the wall if that was the issue... ;-)

[19:19:39]

sphery:

justin_work: With DISH network, I was able to get identical STB's and just use the STB setup menu to change the remote codeset (i.e. channels 1 – 16 were available)

[19:19:52]

** J-e-f-f-A|work has dish network too. ;-) **

[19:20:14]

iamlindoro_:

I think DISH is better about that because they have the "two outputs from one box" thing

[19:20:25]

justin_work:

That would be handy

[19:20:26]

clever:

sphery: ive heard of that when looking at some lirc stuff, but ive never seen such a 'codeset' option in any box i own

[19:20:28]

iamlindoro_:

I've not seen a cable STB capable of same (although it's not impossible)

[19:20:30]

sphery:

(and what fun it was to use LiveTV to edit the STB configuration with the several-second lag--figured it would be easier than rearranging all the cables)

[19:20:36]

justin_work:

I'll have to pay for yet another STB

[19:21:38]

justin_work:

So, I'm thinking I'll pick up a PVR-150, and set it to be the primary recording tuner, whereas the ATI TV wonder will be the "Live TV" tuner

[19:21:40]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: the 2-outputs from one box STB's use an IR and an RF remote (and the IR to RF converter is only just about to be released because of some DVR deal they're in or something)

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iamlindoro_:

I just work here

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sphery:

justin_work: note, though, that there's no way to tell Myth to use one tuner for LiveTV only.

[19:22:57]

justin_work:

Right, but I can tell it to prefer the Hauppauge for recordings

[19:23:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, just mentioning. I don't know why they included the ability to change codesets, but it should be nearly 0 cost in this day and age

[19:23:23]

justin_work:

at least, I think I can

[19:23:26]

janneg:

yes, and you can even say to prefer the ati for livetv

[19:23:28]

sphery:

justin_work: yeah, just make sure you define the input connection on the Hauppauge first

[19:23:52]

justin_work:

How do you mean?

[19:23:59]

janneg:

or just set the input priority higher

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sphery:

though changing priority can affect whether/when recordings occur, too.

[19:24:20]

justin_work:

As in, I should delete the input connection for the ATI, then configure the Hauppauge, then reconfigure the ATI?

[19:24:32]

sphery:

yep

[19:24:41]

sphery:

or, my preferred approach: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 :)

[19:24:41]

justin_work:

OK, I guess that's no sweat

[19:24:58]

janneg:

justin_work: no, you can set input priorities in the input connection screen

[19:25:05]

sphery:

really, though, it's only the input connections that are important

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justin_work:

OK, that's a bit easier

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sphery:

If you do that, though, read http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 (and, really, you should read /all/ of section 12)

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justin_work:

is the PVR-150 going to be my ideal choice if I'm only using SD content?

[19:26:00]

sphery:

definitely easier than any frame grabber

[19:26:07]

justin_work:

Or are there better options for similar price?

[19:26:22]

justin_work:

Price being $20-$30 on ebay

[19:26:26]

sphery:

some prefer frame grabbers because they can apply filters upon recording, but ... meh

[19:27:03]

iamlindoro_:

Even the cards that have repleaced the 150 don't have the same reliability/ease of use, so the 150 is a good choice

[19:27:06]

iamlindoro_:

er replaced

[19:27:14]

sphery:

I'd say your best bet is Hauppauge. The new Hauppauge encoders are newer (=still getting the kinks worked out of the software) and probably more expensive.

[19:27:18]

justin_work:

OK, cool – ebay, here I come

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has to get back to work... DOH! **

[19:27:31]

janneg:

sphery: why should he use more than one input? the channel changer is set in the input connection

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sphery:

it's the how input priority affects scheduling decisions stuff that I'm referring him to

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sphery:

i.e. IMHO, people should number their input connections in order of priority so that they don't break scheduling decisions by messing with input priority

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sphery:

and since it takes all of 2 seconds to delete an input connection on one card, add an input connection on a better card, and add an input connection on the first card, ...

[19:30:29]

justin_work:

haha, I have an idea – how about I could build a little robot swing arm to mount the IR transmitter to. Then place the STB's facing away from each other, and the robot swing arm moves the transmitter side to side depending on which STB it wants to control

[19:30:43]

justin_work:

;)

[19:30:51]

justin_work:

Or I could just get an adapter.

[19:31:01]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds... clever-ian

[19:31:16]

iamlindoro_:

But only if you build it with duct tape

[19:32:03]

justin_work:

duct tape and popsicle sticks

[19:32:35]

justin_work:

although, I could probably just roll a piece of duct tape really tight along its length to make vertical struts

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janneg:

sphery: I thought input preferences changing shedule decissions would be intended effect in this case

[19:32:47]

justin_work:

then some motorized pulleys

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: Interestingly, ATI makes note of XvMc in the new driver, but only in regard to fixed bugs: "(3) Corruption when playing videos using XvMC with mplayer."

[19:34:05]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: and even then, not in the release notes, but in their RSS feed: feed://ati.amd.com/online/rss/atilinuxdriver. . . . rssfeedlinux

[19:34:21]

sphery:

I should probably also say--about the inputs ordered in priority order thing--it's easier to explain than all the details on prioritization.

[19:34:48]

sphery:

janneg: basically, "If input priorities differ, shows may be postponed to a later time in order to record on the best input." and the postponing can cause missed recordings due to schedule reorganization.

[19:35:48]

sphery:

But I'm not comfortable telling a user only that when they should /really/ understand all of section 12 of the howto if they're messing with priorities (at least anything other than recording rule priorities).

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clever:

sphery: something ive wanted to do for a while, addjust the prio on a per card basis

[19:36:44]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: the didn't mentioned XvMC in the pdf

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clever:

channel 4 on card #2 is poor quality, because im using the cards builtin tuner

[19:36:53]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: Yes, I saw

[19:37:02]

clever:

currently, the only way to solve that is to make the entire card #2 a low prio thing

[19:37:11]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: It's in the RSS feed, though

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clever:

or edit my schedules for shows on channel 4 to prefer an input

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sphery:

clever: that would be possible--if nothing else with custom priority

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clever:

where is that set?

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justin_work:

y'know, I'm looking at PVR-150's on ebay, and I can get them for $19.99 ea + $13.99 shipping – I'm thinking I'll just get two of them and replace the ATI altogether

[19:39:13]

justin_work:

then I don't have to sweat priorities or anything

[19:39:15]

sphery:

clever: and, really, there's an easier way than custom priorities (just figured out what you're trying to do) and Bruce Markey even gave an exact description of how to do that for a user on the -users list

[19:39:36]

clever:

sphery: how recent did he do that?

[19:40:04]

sphery:

sometime in the last 2 years (as I'm figuring my memory of things > 2yrs old would be much spottier)

[19:40:20]

clever:

ah, then it wont be in my local copy

[19:40:51]

justin_work:

anybody have any warnings re: ebay sellers to avoid afa tuners? The $19.99 150 is from a seller called deal-deal.com

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sphery:

clever: nvm... Seems my memory is spottier than I remembered... It is custom priority: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/307620#307620

[19:42:18]

sphery:

amazing how much good stuff you can find on the lists (of course, it's completely buried in the avalanche of other stuff, but...)

[19:42:32]

clever:

sphery: yep thats the exact problem i have

[19:42:44]

sphery:

clever: also http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/293490#293490

[19:42:48]

clever:

except in my case, pvr150+stb and bttv+raw coax

[19:43:09]

sphery:

in general, when you think "prority", think "Bruce Markey" and then search the lists

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[19:44:02]

clever:

im not good with names

[19:44:18]

sphery:

I'm good with the names that are worth remembering. :)

[19:45:19]

clever:

For your case, you could go to TV Settings->Recording Priorities->

[19:45:28]

clever:

recording priorities isnt there anymore...

[19:46:07]

sphery:

probably using a different menu theme

[19:46:43]

clever:

2008-11–13 15:44:32.098 Switching to square mode (Iulius)

[19:46:56]

sphery:

Iulius is the Theme, not the Menu Theme

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clever:

oooo

[19:47:05]

clever:

theres more!

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clever:

the whole menu scrolls

[19:47:11]

sphery:

Menu theme = something like "classic", "default", "dvr"

[19:47:14]

clever:

but theres no sign at all that there is more

[19:47:31]

clever:

most themes usualy have an arrow at the top/bottom to indicate that theres more

[19:47:39]

sphery:

wait for 0.22, I think that's different with the new mythui stuff

[19:47:54]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

[ot rant]... Ugh, I was just asked to investigate a problem on our application for a version that's 5 versions back from current... that would be like me complaing to the devs that something doesn't work in MythTV 0.16 and wanting them to diagnose/fix it... UGGHHHH!!!!

[19:47:55]

sphery:

oh, yeah, could be theme-defined...

[19:48:10]

clever:

also, the prio thing for upcoming recordings, the text overlaps the theme a bit

[19:49:57]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Actually, 0.13 was current 5 years ago. :)

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jams:

the indiciation of "theres some more menu items" is completely theme dependent.

[19:52:01]

clever:

sphery: i cant find the bit to modify for 1 card:S

[19:52:07]

clever:

the ui is confusing

[19:52:24]

justin_work:

ahh – I could get the double-headed blaster from irblaster.info

[19:52:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justin_work: But they're going to send the same signals to both heads...

[19:53:12]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justin_work: That will only work if the STB's can be set to different IR codesets.

[19:53:30]

justin_work:

Oh – ick

[19:53:41]

justin_work:

be nice if they were clearer about that

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toorima:

any one know where to download the mythtv plugin for totem? its not included in archlinux

[19:59:04]

clever:

sphery: looks like its just applying a prio change to anything that matches a chunk of sql

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clever:

and it does seem to be working now that i got the rule writen out right

[20:02:28]

clever:

though i'll just update the rules right in sql now that i see what table and where

[20:02:32]

clever:

the ui is too messy

[20:04:09]

clever:

ummm, when did the HOWTO pages get purty images?

[20:05:22]

abqjp:

sphery: you have satellite now? Gonna get a HD-PVR?

[20:09:08]

justin_work:

So I've gotta figure out how to make my Logitech Harmony 659 work with LIRC

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iamlindoro_:

Most people set it up to emulate the mceusb remote

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justin_work:

looks like I just have to tell the remote that it's controlling a media center pc and use the mceusb2 lirc driver

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iamlindoro_:

echo... echo... cho...oo...

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sphery:

abqjp: No. Used to have satellite. Dropped it when I switched to HDTV since there was no way to get it into Myth. Now that there is, I don't really miss the satellite channels (or the monthly payment), so...

[20:19:09]

sphery:

clever: glad it's working

[20:19:36]

clever:

for some reason it didnt move the show between cards

[20:19:42]

clever:

it moved it from chan 4 to 38

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clever:

but that works

[20:20:11]

clever:

but the ui needs work

[20:20:39]

clever:

2008-11–13 16:20:15.868 NVP: prebuffering pause

[20:20:42]

clever:

damn stuttering

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clever:

mythfrontend and java are the only thing above 10% cpu

[20:21:20]

justin_work:

I was getting some stuttering this morning

[20:21:42]

justin_work:

exited livetv and reopened it and it seemed to clear up

[20:21:44]

clever:

ahh

[20:21:47]

clever:

im playing a file from media2

[20:21:55]

clever:

and i started moving ~1.5gig into that dir

[20:22:09]

clever:

maxing the usb enclosure bandwidth

[20:22:23]

clever:

and nfs, and the seeking, and the network :P

[20:23:57]

gronslet:

Hi folks – I'm trying to install mythtv from svn trunk on my Fedora 9 system, and have successfully configured and built it

[20:24:08]

gronslet:

Now I would like to make an rpm package of this

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.g-loaded.eu/2006/04/05/how-to-buil . . . s-on-fedora/

[20:24:58]

iamlindoro_:

If only there was some sort of web site for searching terms which would give back relevant results

[20:25:21]

gronslet:

I've seen the packaging directory and the .spec file therein, but it fails

[20:25:35]

iamlindoro_:

I would suggest #fedora, then

[20:25:51]

clever:

if only people said they had a problem with xyz rather then not even mentioning they tried it

[20:26:05]

iamlindoro_:

clever: that too

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gronslet:

thanks for the link

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, the packaging stuff in trunk is a very new addition and as such is likely a work in extreme progress

[20:27:04]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i feel that the stuff for packaging it up, like the debian or rpm scripts, should be kept in svn

[20:27:16]

iamlindoro_:

clever: and indeed it is

[20:27:24]

** clever looks **

[20:27:44]

iamlindoro_:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/packaging

[20:27:54]

clever:

iamlindoro_: i dont see a 'debian' folder in the root of /mythtv/

[20:28:06]

iamlindoro_:

clever: Speaking of people not reading...

[20:28:06]

clever:

ah i didnt checkout the entire /trunk/ just a few subdirs

[20:28:29]

iamlindoro_:

like I said, very very new

[20:28:44]

clever:

i followed the wiki ages ago and checked out mythtv and mythplugins

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gronslet:

in svn there is a script "build_myth.sh" that fails

[20:29:44]

iamlindoro_:

so don't use it, just follow the article and use the spec file

[20:29:44]

clever:

i made my own similar scripts that just compile and make install

[20:29:45]

gronslet:

I tried to fix it, but don't know much about .spec files and where stuff should be

[20:30:14]

gronslet:

I am interesteing in getting the init scripts in the right place

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gronslet:

By the way – is it by any change possible to download trunk as an src.rpm using yumdownloader and rpmfusion?

[20:31:12]

iamlindoro_:

erm... this doesn't even do init scripts

[20:31:27]

clever:

i just wrote my own scripts in /etc/rc.local

[20:31:29]

iamlindoro_:

Who knows, ask your packager

[20:31:38]

iamlindoro_:

They're listed at the top of the spec file

[20:31:56]

gronslet:

ok, Will Tatam is his name, I'll try to reach him

[20:33:16]

iamlindoro_:

you could also ask axel Thimm on the -users mailing list

[20:33:36]

iamlindoro_:

who wrote much (most?) of the rpm stuff for Myth

[20:33:38]

toorima:

any one know where to download the mythtv plugin for totem? its not included in archlinux

[20:34:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: Did you notice LG123 is trying to install Myth? Don't know what's up with that. How in the world will he be able to make Myth better if he goes and installs it?

[20:34:08]

rodimus:

gronslet: no, there are no rpmfusion trunk packages (yet)

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rodimus:

there will be after fedora 10 is out and rpmfusion's devel tree starts tracking f11 development

[20:34:35]

gronslet:

rodimus, ok, thanks

[20:34:38]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Wow, watch out. If he installs it he might just become obnoxious.

[20:34:53]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: and he does say he's going to fix the "slow channel change" for us. :)

[20:34:58]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Quick, only took him just-over-a-month

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clever:

sphery: my channel change script runs 3 other scripts with &, so it should in theory return to mythbackend instantly

[20:35:31]

sphery:

almost missed it because it's in the thread, "Use of ATRPM repositories ? (Myth on Fedora viawikiinstructions)"

[20:35:53]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: first time he asks for help I'm going to ask for the output of: ls ~/.mythtv && dmesg |grep -i sasc && ps aux |grep mythbackend

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clever:

not shure how 'fast' it is but it 'works'

[20:36:08]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: That way I sneak my little spying in and then I can write him of forever, publicly

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gronslet:

The reason I'm trying to move to trunk is that the 0.21-fixes delivered by rpmfusion can't be configured properly – mythtv-setup segfaults all the time

[20:36:50]

toorima:

anyone know of any other player then totem that can play stuff from a mythtv backend?

[20:36:57]

gronslet:

the log shows segfault in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8

[20:37:15]

rodimus:

rpmfusion packages worked fine for me a few days ago

[20:37:18]

iamlindoro_:

gronslet: if it's when you channel scan, it's a known issue

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iamlindoro_:

(on dual core or multithreaded processors)

[20:37:39]

rodimus:

hrm, no, actually I do vaguely recall a segfault at one point... but I was able to get through everything

[20:37:39]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: And that needs to be done, too. After I mentioned the rules of the list, he came back with, "well I'm paying for it" (think you pointed that out for me). I gave up because I didn't understand what he meant and you didn't explain it to me until I'd deleted his message (so I couldn't respond).

[20:37:53]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: oh, heh

[20:37:53]

gronslet:

yes – I got a tip about using taskset -c mythtv-setup

[20:38:06]

gronslet:

and did, but it keeps crashing

[20:38:06]

iamlindoro_:

gronslet: ah, ok, if that didn't help then it's not the issue I had in mind

[20:38:14]

sphery:

gronslet: where is mythtv-setup segfaulting? Always in the same place?

[20:38:27]

sphery:

(i.e. what are you doing when it segfaults)

[20:38:37]

rodimus:

gronslet: also, is that f8, f9 or rawhide?

[20:38:52]

rodimus:

can't remember how up-to-date anything but rawhide is

[20:39:16]

sphery:

great, now I have the song Rawhide stuck in my head

[20:39:24]

iamlindoro_:

*whupushhhhhhh*

[20:39:27]

iamlindoro_:

Raw-hyyyyyyyyyde

[20:39:31]

gronslet:

rodimus, F9

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: you're not helping

[20:40:08]

rodimus:

hrm, okay, seems I actually did push the latest build for f9 too

[20:40:35]

gronslet:

So – anything I can do to provide some useful debuggin logs?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'm helped out

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sphery:

gronslet: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 would be ideal , but I don't know if ATrpms makes debug packages available (rodimus?)

[20:42:34]

rodimus:

gronslet: what sphery suggested — assuming you're actually using rpmfusion packages, not atrpms. I don't think atrpms has debug packages available, rpmfusion definitely does

[20:42:38]

justin_work:

Move-em on, head 'em up, head 'em up, move 'em out, move 'em on, head 'em out...

[20:42:57]

gronslet:

rawhiiiiiiide!

[20:43:00]

gronslet:

sorry

[20:43:07]

justin_work:

hehehe

[20:43:16]

clever:

atleast i held back:P

[20:43:23]

** justin_work is completely unsympathetic to earworm complaints **

[20:43:27]

rodimus:

or. wait. wtf? where are the rpmfusion debuginfo packages?

[20:43:45]

justin_work:

The trick to getting a song out of your head is to sing it out loud, at the top of your lungs

[20:43:49]

sphery:

rodimus: oops, sorry to confuse the issue with the not-knowing-which-package-repo-people-use-these-days thing. Nice that we can actually get good bt's from both Ubuntu /and/ RedHat users, now, though.

[20:43:54]

** sphery <3 packagers **

[20:44:06]

rodimus:

ah, yes, there's the debuginfo bits

[20:44:08]

justin_work:

of course, if you get a song stuck to which you don't know the lyrics, you're SOL

[20:44:26]

clever:

justin_work: its worse when you cant remember what the name of the song is:P

[20:44:28]

rodimus:

duh, they're arch-specific

[20:44:30]

iamlindoro_:

Naw, you just nah nahhhhhhh until you know a word

[20:45:14]

justin_work:

clever, that's what google is for – search for a lyric string in quotes and you almost always get the title

[20:45:26]

sphery:

Or, "Take me down to the /very last/ city..." (make them up)

[20:45:33]

clever:

justin_work: usualy its just some beats from the background music, with no lyrics :P

[20:45:36]

rodimus:

gronslet: so if you do a 'yum --enablerepo=\*debuginfo install mythtv-debuginfo', you should be able to follow that debugging link from sphery

[20:45:40]

clever:

google doesnt accept sheet music

[20:45:56]

gronslet:

rodimus, ok thank

[20:45:57]

rodimus:

gronslet: or, if you have yum-utils installed, I think 'debuginfo-install mythtv' should work

[20:45:57]

gronslet:

s

[20:46:06]

justin_work:

I saw a web app that lets you tap the beat to a song and it figures it out

[20:46:10]

gronslet:

yes – will try that

[20:46:21]

clever:

justin_work: yep ive heard of it, but without an actual link it wont do much good

[20:46:32]

justin_work:

songtapper.com

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iamlindoro_:

There's lots of phone tools where you can play a song to them and they'll give you the title... 'course, you need something newer than a Star-tac

[20:47:03]

clever:

justin_work: and the system needs to actualy index songs from all countrys:P

[20:47:07]

sphery:

justin_work: I saw an iPhone commercial that says you can hold the iPhone to a speaker and it will tell you what song is playing (and allow you to buy it from iTunes--groan). Maybe you could just sing into the iPhone...

[20:47:10]

gronslet:

btw, did I understand it correctly; the mythtv bits in F9 are the same as in Rawhide?

[20:47:26]

rodimus:

sphery: yep, that would be the app called 'shazaam', I believe...

[20:47:30]

** rodimus loves his iphone... **

[20:47:53]

clever:

sphery: ive seen somebody playing the iphone like a musical instrument

[20:47:56]

justin_work:

clever, if you've got some freaky Indian throat singing or Aboriginal didjeridoo stuck in your head, you don't deserve help anyway

[20:48:07]

clever:

the touch screen acted like air holes and the mic on the bottom picked up your breath

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clever:

justin_work: its mainly japanese stuff:P

[20:48:43]

sphery:

I love the sound of didjeridoo music (but couldn't ever spell it correctly)

[20:49:11]

justin_work:

clever, what, like Kitaro?

[20:49:30]

clever:

justin_work: dont remember that one

[20:49:35]

justin_work:

sphery, I've always thought that the didjeridoo sounded like a moose giving birth

[20:49:46]

** sphery wonders how apple gives the sensation of covering air holes with their touch screen--without the sensory feedback, it's not the same **

[20:49:58]

sphery:

perhaps you need to drill holes in the iphone screen, first

[20:50:06]

justin_work:

sphery, a buddy of mine has a guitar app on his iPhone

[20:50:19]

peck:

digeridoo i think

[20:50:40]

justin_work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Didjeridoo

[20:51:00]

clever:

sphery: http://kotaku.com/5079503/ocarina-of-iphone

[20:51:01]

sphery:

Didgeridoo (Redirected from Didjeridoo)

[20:51:06]

iamlindoro_:

considering aboriginal doesn't have its own written language, you can spell it any way you like

[20:51:16]

iamlindoro_:

It's all transliteration anyway

[20:51:34]

peck:

hah close

[20:51:39]

justin_work:

True, it's an onomatopoeia

[20:51:54]

peck:

it's like with Azerbaijan

[20:51:58]

sphery:

clever: I think I'll recommend to people who use the app that they drill holes in the screen.

[20:52:00]

peck:

took me years to learn how to spell

[20:52:12]

clever:

sphery: watch the video

[20:52:32]

** sphery doesn't have Flash, so he cannot participate in this wonderful new web **

[20:52:40]

clever:

i know that song!

[20:52:41]

RDV_Linux:

Question: I have installed mythtv from trunk. I cannot find mythtv-backend script in /etc/init.d. Where can I get the mythtv-backend script? I want to use it with monit to auto restart mythbackend if it dies. I know I could use another method but I would prefer to have the mythtv-backend script.

[20:53:20]

sphery:

(actually, on this computer, I could enable it, but it would require shutting down Firefox and I have too many windows set up with too many tabs for in-progress projects to close Firefox)

[20:53:28]

iamlindoro_:

You need to write your own or get one from your distro, they don't come from the source

[20:53:29]

rodimus:

RDV_Linux: there's one in contrib/ in the source tree

[20:53:36]

iamlindoro_:

ah, shut my mouth

[20:53:48]

rodimus:

which may or may not need tweakage for your distro

[20:54:04]

RDV_Linux:

Thanks rodimus

[20:54:08]

rodimus:

np

[20:54:19]

sphery:

and the one in contrib for Fedora/RedHat stuff is excellent (I think Nick M spent a great deal of time working on/improving it)

[20:54:21]

** rodimus hopes there actually really still *is* one there... ;) **

[20:54:29]

sphery:

yeah

[20:55:01]

rodimus:

I think rpmfusion is still using an atrpms-derived one, I should revisit that when I have free time (hahahahahahaha)

[20:55:25]

iamlindoro_:

I can't believe they found five stoners to play iphone ocarina

[20:55:29]

iamlindoro_:

and got them in the same room

[20:55:51]

sphery:

rodimus: don't worry, it's the thought that counts (or so I keep telling myself when I fail to make time to work on some of the things I've promised to work on for Myth)

[20:57:23]

rodimus:

heh

[20:58:26]

gronslet:

RDV_Linux: also check mythtv/packaging/rpm/mythtv

[20:59:34]

iamlindoro_:

gronslet: Pretty sure he's running ubuntu

[20:59:44]

iamlindoro_:

Trying to sway him to RH, are we? ;)

[20:59:49]

rodimus:

annoying... wtf is up with my kerberos ticket, updated via gnome's popup thingy, not being recognized on the cli now?

[20:59:53]

gronslet:

oh, well

[21:01:26]

sphery:

Gotta do a search. I think this must be "National Edit Your mythconverg Database Data Directly" week, based on the huge number of posts I've seen this week saying, "Thanks for telling me how to [do things properly], but I decided I'll just edit the database myself."

[21:01:54]

RDV_Linux:

Yes I am running Ubuntu Intrepid. The scripts will have to be tweaked but that is better then having no script at all. Thanks for everyone.

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Thank you for joining #mythtv-l33t. You have been dcc'd a copy of yasm and a hex editor. Please commence bending MythTV to your will.

[21:03:57]

sphery:

rodimus: I think whenever the problem description contains the word, "thingy," you should be able to figure out where blame lies. ;)

[21:04:08]

sphery:

(I mean the thingy, not you.)

[21:04:18]

rodimus:

heh

[21:04:52]

rodimus:

good old 'kinit' on the cli ftw

[21:04:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: And for some stupid reason, the Myth devs wrote the program such that it /expects/ valid data. Ummmm, didn't they anticipate users happening?

[21:05:07]

rodimus:

lmao

[21:05:23]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: No, they're a bunch of dicks. Every time I tell them how it should work, they imply that I should do something about it if I want it that bad.

[21:05:39]

sphery:

rodimus: that's my approach (though I have recently started allowing xscreensaver/PAM to grab tickets for me when I unlock the screen)

[21:05:44]

iamlindoro_:

How are they ever going to get people to adopt their product?

[21:06:13]

rodimus:

sphery: hm... that's an idea, I should set that up...

[21:06:28]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: Were you just saying that same thing to me on the list? I must have your nick/real name confused... ;)

[21:06:37]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: ;)

[21:06:52]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Hey, if you're not a real myth dev, butt out, huh? ;)

[21:07:38]

sphery:

rodimus: yeah, the only problem is when you fail to take the recommended break once/hr and your ticket expires, but that's what kinit is for. :) (Actually, that's what kinit -R is for, but for some reason, I /never/ realize it's about expiration time until after it expires.)

[21:08:02]

rodimus:

I think we have an 8hr expiry here

[21:08:08]

rodimus:

maybe 9

[21:08:16]

rodimus:

i.e., just long enough for it to last the work day

[21:08:27]

AndyCap:

heh, ps3 was plug and play with mythtv as well. I like. .9

[21:08:29]

AndyCap:

:)

[21:08:36]

rodimus:

assuming you don't take a 2+ hour lunch to go play soccer

[21:09:27]

sphery:

Wow. I have a 2-hr expiry (thought it was 1-hr, but that's another story) and the really sad part is that there's absolutely nothing that important on my network.

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: You'd think with the number of people telling me to butt out on the list, I would have taken the hint and quit posting to the list.

[21:11:06]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: That would leave precious little actual knowledge on the list

[21:11:37]

iamlindoro_:

In terms of regular contributors there would Kevin Kuphal and... erm...

[21:12:31]

sphery:

Funny thing is that when I ignore the list for a while (i.e. actually enjoying a life (seldom) or busy with a job), everything seems to continue as usual without any problems. And here I thought I was a critical and irreplaceable part of the well-being of the lists...

[21:13:05]

iamlindoro_:

It's sort of like multiplying by zero, sphery

[21:13:19]

** rodimus gave up on the users list long ago **

[21:13:41]

sphery:

yeah, but rodimus actually has a life to take the place of the list...

[21:13:50]

janneg:

Daniel writes also occasionally to users and I skim over it but ignore most of the threads

[21:14:01]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, yes, true

[21:14:14]

iamlindoro_:

The Daniel Part, not the sphery has no life part ;)

[21:14:25]

sphery:

well, both are true

[21:14:58]

iamlindoro_:

Neat: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njg1MQ

[21:15:21]

iamlindoro_:

Some of these "possible possibles" are getting dangerously close to being useful

[21:15:36]

iamlindoro_:

specifically paragraph two

[21:16:50]

sphery:

amazing how much luck some projects have with GSoC

[21:17:18]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: I'm not sure. that would be fourth api for accelerated video playback

[21:17:30]

iamlindoro_:

Especially given the full time job some people make of complaining about live tv

[21:17:56]

iamlindoro_:

janneg: Everyone seems to get as far as having results and then disappear off the map

[21:17:59]

janneg:

extended XvMC, VA, Ati's XvBA

[21:18:16]

iamlindoro_:

I've got most faith that we'll see the ATI stuff soonest, as they're paying for it

[21:18:44]

sphery:

and they're using their already-written DirectX code as the basis

[21:18:49]

jams:

sphery- I'm also amazed at high incident of family emergencies that occur during GSOC

[21:19:08]

iamlindoro_:

I know you said Alex Strange was still working on the frame-level multithread stuff too, but it's been so long since he posted to the list

[21:19:43]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: end of GSoC the mesa renderer was not fast enough for even displaying 720p25

[21:19:47]

sphery:

jams: Wow... Sergey and Larry sending out their goons to take out family members, perhaps?

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: For Gallium? Yeah, I remember reading that, but he seemed to imply that it was a some error that should be trivial

[21:20:46]

iamlindoro_:

Then again, he stopped blogging soon thereafter ;)

[21:21:25]

janneg:

iamlindoro_: yes, I can't remeber the details. I think the software renderer was faster

[21:21:29]

sphery:

So, what's the status of the FOSS ATI driver since AMD started releasing specs? Has anything changed since releasing the specs or is it turning out to be too much work when the proprietary drivers are already there?

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janneg:

sphery: no specs yet for R600 and above

[21:22:51]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I think (for supported card) RadeonHD has gotten Xv, so that's something

[21:22:53]

janneg:

for R500 and below it's progessing nicely albeit a little bit slow

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sphery:

are they planning to release them or is it one of those, "Wait 'til the product is old before releasing specs" things? (I.e. the answer to post-legacy-support)

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janneg:

sphery: afaik specs are finished for publication but still need to go through legal

[21:23:57]

janneg:

department

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sphery:

wow, cool

[21:25:25]

sphery:

Would be nicer if they took a more Sun-like approach and just relicensed their existing implementation as GPL, but I'm sure there are a lot of legal/patent/NDA reasons they can't.

[21:26:10]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: Haha, that (in #mythtv) was funny

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yesterday I had a similar one for "What direction should I be looking in for HDTV supported MythTV?" ("in the direction of #mythtv-users")

[21:27:18]

iamlindoro_:

nice

[21:27:18]

sphery:

makes redirecting people more fun

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sphery:

simoo: should be in some place like /srv/www/htdocs or /var/www/htdocs or ...

[21:29:44]

iamlindoro_:

Or if you're clever, on an external hard drive powered by a diesel generator attached with a homemade USB cable

[21:29:49]

sphery:

simoo: if you're talking about the apache config for MythWeb, though, it's probably /etc/httpd/ or /etc/httpd/conf.d or something

[21:30:05]

clever:

iamlindoro_: my usb harddrive isnt that hacked up

[21:30:13]

iamlindoro_:

But the night is young

[21:30:45]

simoo:

thanks, I have found the apache config file and copied it to the correct place, it's the actual web files I need to find (so I can point apatche to the right place

[21:31:00]

iamlindoro_:

Then sphery's first answer is the one you want

[21:31:36]

simoo:

I think it might be '/usr/share/webapps/mythweb/0.21_p17573/htdocs/'

[21:31:47]

iamlindoro_:

zoinks, yucky

[21:31:57]

simoo:

yeah, that's what I thought

[21:32:02]

simoo:

can I move them?

[21:32:05]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: but the hard part was finding a secondary diesel generator that could start up quickly enough to prevent data loss when the fuel tank on the primary emptied, so he had to hack in a battery failover, but it got disabled for a test, and due to shift changes, end-of-month-production quotas, and a series of interrelated but totally unreproduceable events, caused catastrophic failure

[21:32:20]

iamlindoro_:

simoo: Probably, so long as permissions remain the same and you modify mythweb.conf accordingly

[21:32:21]

sphery:

(the above should be appreciated by anyone who has studied nuclear power history)

[21:32:29]

xris:

simoo: it's a web app.. you can put them wherever you want as long as apache is configured properly

[21:32:52]

sphery:

wow, that is an ugly storage location for a web app.

[21:33:00]

simoo:

I'm not even sure if that is them... what files am I looking for>

[21:33:02]

simoo:

?

[21:33:07]

iamlindoro_:

mythweb.pl

[21:33:14]

iamlindoro_:

index.php

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iamlindoro_:

et cetera

[21:33:30]

simoo:

ah great, yeah that's them

[21:33:43]

simoo:

what a horrible place for them?!

[21:33:44]

sphery:

would say, "README", but I think the packager didn't like the idea of that being available through the web interface because of security issues...

[21:33:54]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: might slow 'em down

[21:33:57]

iamlindoro_:

this in Gentoo

[21:34:15]

gronslet:

okay, I've installed the mythtv-debuginfo package, and got a crash in mythtv-setup – gdb says it is missing some debuginfos

[21:34:17]

iamlindoro_:

one fewer in use file node = .00000000000000000000001% performance increase

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simoo:

yeah, makes sense I suppose.

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gronslet:

do I need to install all those as well?

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sphery:

yeah, not saying simoo should read it, just that the src directory has README in it and with default config, it's available through the web interface from the "app root"

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iamlindoro_:

simoo: I'm just goofing on Gentoo, there should be a README there too

[21:35:25]

gronslet:

Guess I need qt3-debuginfo

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: Hey, if it's not in a cflag I don't want to read it

[21:35:32]

sphery:

gronslet: we need the debug info for MythTV stuff, but if you're missing the qt3 stuff, it's probably not a problem.

[21:35:44]

sphery:

gronslet: wanna pastebin the backtrace and I can tell you if it's useful?

[21:36:02]

simoo:

that would have been a useful readme to get! I might mention it

[21:36:11]

simoo:

cheers fot the help

[21:36:36]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: I think you mean a--OK, now I'm totally blanking on what the emerge calls the enable switches...

[21:36:59]

sphery:

USE flags!

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gronslet:

sphery, yes – this is my first time – should I cutnpaste from the gdb console?

[21:37:28]

gronslet:

or is there a seperate file?

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simoo:

hmmm.... I 'm getting an invalid 'php_value' in the mythweb.conf but I have php 5?

[21:37:44]

sphery:

probably have a file called gdb.txt in the current directory with everything

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sphery:

If it's easier, you can email it to me at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv (just make sure you put the word myth in the subject or I wn't find it)

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DarKnesS_WolF:

i have a small prlem i have twinhan 1027 + linux i did the kernel patch and the system can see the /dev/video0 and the /dev/dvb/* but when i try to scan with mythtv i get no signal at all any fix / debug ?

[21:39:57]

xris:

simoo: is mod_php loaded? mod_env? did you read the README and INSTALL docs?

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gronslet:

sphery – uploading gdb.txt to pastebin.ca now

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gronslet:

will post link soonish

[21:41:01]

simoo:

xris: cheers I did read the docs but they were quite specific to a different distro.. I'll check php is loaded, cheers

[21:41:46]

xris:

simoo: the docs are distro-agnostic

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xris:

I even went out of my way to explain that when I wrote them...

[21:42:17]

gronslet:

here: http://pastebin.ca/1255562

[21:42:24]

xris:

only major thing that changes between distros are pathnames and the user apache runs as.

[21:42:57]

simoo:

oh sorry, I may not have been looking in the right place. here? http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-14.html#ss14.1

[21:43:06]

** sphery wonders if there's a way to make it so that when someone sends a new line to the channel, the selection/paste buffer in my irssi client isn't erased... **

[21:43:45]

clever:

sphery: that only happens if the last line is selected

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clever:

just /echo so it isnt the last line then select it

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gronslet:

sphery, I used the gdbcommands file suggested in the FAQ, just edited a little bit, but not enough I see

[21:44:21]

sphery:

gronslet: That looks good. Shouldn't need any more debug packages.

[21:44:27]

sphery:

not enough editing?

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janneg:

sphery: that's a terminal feature

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sphery:

clever / janneg : so it's possible to change it? What terminal feature do I change?

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clever:

i just work arround it

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gronslet:

sphery, regarding the error gdb is complaining about in the start – don't think it matters

[21:45:38]

gronslet:

"Error in sourced command file"

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sphery:

gronslet: oh, didn't see that... Was just looking for the backtrace info.

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sphery:

gronslet: It looks like a good backtrace, though, so you can upload it to a ticket (unless janneg or someone wants to take a look at it first).

[21:46:39]

gronslet:

Uhm, one thing struck me – I'm trying to search for channels on my Composite input – that's where it crash

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sphery:

so, wait... You're doing a channel scan in mythtv-setup on your composite input?

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gronslet:

yep – how else should I set the starting channel?

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sphery:

composite doesn't have a concept of channels.

[21:48:00]

gronslet:

I had problem with mythfrontend not being able to switch to composite

[21:48:07]

gronslet:

I know

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gronslet:

but I though it had "one channel"

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sphery:

for the starting channel, you need to specify one of hte channels in your video source

[21:48:49]

sphery:

the video source defines the externally-defined (i.e. by the set-top-box) channels

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gronslet:

but I can't change the text

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sphery:

it should be a drop-down list that you navigate with left/right

[21:50:01]

sphery:

and it just has to be any valid channel--Myth will run your external channel change script to set it.

[21:50:09]

sphery:

then it will remember the last-tuned channel from that point on

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gronslet:

in mythtv-setup, input connections, composite, starting channel. Text says "please add channels to this source"

[21:50:43]

gronslet:

can't change it – if I click using the mouse – the list is only that text, nothing else

[21:50:58]

sphery:

so you've defined a source and you've connected the input to that source.

[21:51:07]

sphery:

Now you just need to populate the source with channels.

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sphery:

how you do that depends on where you're at--any chance you're in the US?

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gronslet:

Okay – I have a PVR-500 (dual tuner)

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gronslet:

I'm in norway

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gronslet:

I had it all set up before on my old box

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sphery:

d'oh... I know nothing of XMLTV...

[21:51:55]

gronslet:

followed the description from the net

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gronslet:

actually – I set it up using no grabbers

[21:52:11]

gronslet:

maybe that's the problem?

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sphery:

Anyway, as far as I understand, it's something to do with running mythfilldatabase --setup (which I think mythtv-setup tries to do when you select, "Fetch channels from listings source.")

[21:53:14]

sphery:

yeah, if you want to have listings data (i.e. if you want Myth to be a DVR, rather than a 1980's style VCR), you need a grabber

[21:53:31]

gronslet:

hehe, sure – I used to run it from a seperate script

[21:53:37]

sphery:

also note that your configuration is pretty much broken, right now, so you should do: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:54:27]

sphery:

unfortunately when I wrote that, I made it very US-centric (since I don't know how the non-US approach works), but you should definitely do the Delete all video sources thing to clear the garbage

[21:55:30]

sphery:

if you're running mythfilldatabase from an external job (i.e. cron), you would still set up a grabber, but you would disable "Automatically run mythfilldatabase"

[21:55:41]

gronslet:

okay, but now I started out with a clean install from rpmfusion, and a clean database from mc.sql

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gronslet:

ok – will try this

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gronslet:

jesus, it's pretty involved :)

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sphery:

No grabber means, "I don't have guide data"--i.e. you would use it to set up an input connected to a 1980's VCR for recording your old home-movies :)

[21:56:33]

sphery:

Myth is nothing if not a challenge to configure. :)

[21:56:56]

sphery:

I don't recommend Myth to my friends because I like my friends. :)

[21:57:08]

gronslet:

yes – and I am still fighting fglrx to do nice tv-out -> scart for PAL-G....

[21:57:36]

sphery:

(Actually, I recommended it to one friend and now--almost 5 years later--I'm still maintaining a myth system for them)

[21:57:40]

gronslet:

same here – I want to keep my friends (and not become their slave)

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sphery:

friend = them = a married couple

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gronslet:

hehe, having a working TV is pretty critical

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sphery:

gronslet: I would tell you to post the backtrace from your segfault, anyway, as segfaults shouldn't occur (even if you use Myth incorrectly), but the whole channel scanning and TV locking and QString handling/sharing and UI parts of Myth are completely changing in trunk, so it's likely that the problem no longer exists/exists in a different form, so it's easier to just not use mythtv-seutp incorrectly, here, and (if you really ...

[22:00:57]

sphery:

... want), try to reproduce the issue after 0.22 is released. :)

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wagnerrp:

well i get to the hotel, 'do you have wired or wireless?', 'oh, both'

[22:01:37]

wagnerrp:

i get to my room, plug my laptop in, no connection

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wagnerrp:

continue pulling the cable, and lo! its the other end of the cable

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but, is it wired to the wall? You never said, "Internet."

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gronslet:

sphery, agree – I'll try to do it "right" first

[22:02:03]

wagnerrp:

i cant find anything in the room to plug it into

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sphery:

oh, guess it's not wired to the wall...

[22:02:13]

wagnerrp:

there are phone jacks, no ethernet jacks

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sphery:

and the ethernet cable was there?

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gronslet:

thanks for all help so far, sphery!

[22:02:43]

wagnerrp:

yeah, with some large block to prevent it from being dragged off the desk

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sphery:

I've been to some hotels that are putting the ethernet jacks in weird places (i.e. in a lamp on the desk or even in a recliner/lounge chair--no joke)

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wagnerrp:

they also have two phone jacks, one with a DSL filter on it

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sphery:

what hotel chain?

[22:03:21]

wagnerrp:

marriot

[22:03:51]

wagnerrp:

well what do you know! theres the DSL modem mounted under the desk

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shadash:

should just install wifi

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sphery:

hmmmm. usually when they have the cable/cable-weight, the jack is on the wall near the desk/table with the cable

[22:04:21]

wagnerrp:

shadash: well you do see me chatting in here right? obviously without wires...

[22:04:35]

shadash:

ahhh

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shadash:

I just think it's silly when hotels don't offer wifi

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wagnerrp:

i think the modem is broken

[22:05:09]

wagnerrp:

no lights

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shadash:

I was in Cancun and even they offered wifi

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm not the one who unplugged it... Though I carry a 40-foot ethernet cable with me on trips and unplug their cables when wired connections are available (better than wireless), I always plug in their cable before checking out.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I had a DSL modem in a hotel room (that served a block of several rooms) such that it wouldn't work unless I took the phone off the hook (changed voltages just enough that it worked).

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Kernel:

hello all. anyone know how to use firewire to change channels on a SA4250HDC stb?

[22:07:31]

sphery:

gronslet: I've got some stuff to do, but if you have other questions, I should see anything you say that has my nick in it.

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wagnerrp:

its not that its not connecting, its just not getting power

[22:08:29]

wagnerrp:

no lights

[22:08:40]

wagnerrp:

either the brick, or the modem itself is broken

[22:08:48]

wagnerrp:

and the brick is bolted to the outlet

[22:08:52]

wagnerrp:

never see that before...

[22:09:18]

gronslet:

sphery – ok, thanks for the help

[22:09:55]

gronslet:

one more quick question – does rawhide/rpmfusion provide updated stuff compared to F9?

[22:09:59]

gronslet:

regarding mythtv

[22:11:47]

wagnerrp:

800kbps:400kbps, thats almost respectable

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gronslet:

I see libmyth-0.21–13.fc9 and libmyth-0.21–13.fc10, guess they're the same, ok

[22:13:48]

sphery:

wagnerrp: did you try unplugging the "other end" of the power connector (i.e. can often be unplugged from the power input on the modem itself) to see if it would get power (maybe wiggle it around)/reset

[22:14:00]

wagnerrp:

same revision, absolutely not the same package

[22:14:32]

wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, did that a couple times, even bent the plate holding the brick in place to try another outlet

[22:14:41]

wagnerrp:

no joy, but wireless seems to be working sufficiently

[22:14:56]

wagnerrp:

theres even minimal noticeable latency typing over vnc

[22:15:19]

larstr:

how do I disable subtitles while watching a divx movie?

[22:15:38]

sphery:

wagnerrp: and it's not a switch on the wall that controls the outlet(s)?

[22:16:21]

sphery:

larstr: in the Internal player, they shouldn't come up automatically (TTBOMK), but you can probably disable them with the Menu then selecting subtitles

[22:16:42]

sphery:

larstr: if you're talking about MPlayer or xine (if you configured those to be used by MythVideo), I have no idea

[22:17:00]

sphery:

larstr: or, T may toggle subtitles/captions for you

[22:17:36]

wagnerrp:

i think its 'j' or 'k' in mplayer

[22:17:43]

larstr:

sphery: "T" says "Stay on top disabled"

[22:18:15]

larstr:

yep, 'j' was the solution

[22:18:16]

sphery:

I don't think you're using Myth, then

[22:18:27]

larstr:

thankx alot wagnerrp & sphery

[22:18:58]

sphery:

Didn't I just say I needed to go do some work... this time for real.

[22:20:29]

rodimus:

ok, I give up... how the hell do I run a binary from a perl script w/the output from the binary coming back into a perl var?

[22:20:30]

rodimus:

I hate perl

[22:21:02]

wagnerrp:

passthru or system maybe?

[22:21:12]

rodimus:

system gets back an exit code

[22:21:28]

rodimus:

I'll look at passthru...

[22:21:37]

janneg:

could someone test if he gets a better akamai mirror for the catalyst 8.11 driver from http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html

[22:21:41]

rodimus:

tempted to throw this shit out and simply do it in bash

[22:22:09]

janneg:

my has only a truncated copy with only 15M

[22:22:31]

** jams decides to not say anything about the language because it's directed at perl **

[22:23:42]

rodimus:

passthru seems to be php (at least, that's about all google tells me)

[22:24:06]

wagnerrp:

i should have brought AV cables, watched low-res flash video streamed through mythweb on the TV

[22:24:20]

wagnerrp:

i bet that would meet their definition of 'excessive bandwidth usage'... :)

[22:24:43]

jams:

janneg- what are you looking for?

[22:25:57]

janneg:

jams: the url of the driver on a working akamai mirror

[22:26:00]

DarKnesS_WolF:

mm if i have a channels.conf i can use that with mythtv ? it can't read my singla in egypt " i am using antenna :-s "

[22:26:36]

rodimus:

aha, finally

[22:26:41]

jams:

i also get the 15mb download

[22:26:42]

rodimus:

http://perldoc.perl.org/perlfaq8.html#Why-can . . . -system()%3f

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janneg:

jams: thanks, I got a complete copy from http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/64bit/ati-d . . . 6.x86_64.run

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jams:

good

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simoo:

Hi I'm having trouble with Mythweb apache is running but I cannot access the page could someone help?

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MinDKrime:

anyone running linux on an appletv?

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jduggan:

woot just scored a free sat dish with lnb

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a1fa:

what was the command to see monitor info?

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janneg:

iamlindoro: "UVD2 feature is available"

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janneg:

with catalyst 8.11 and my HD 4350

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a1fa:

i just put a new 6600GT card into my system, and when i booted the pc

[22:50:00]

a1fa:

i didnt see anything posting

[22:50:10]

a1fa:

DMI->HDMI plug

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abqjp:

janneg: that is cool. Let me know when you have added support to Myth ;-p

[22:52:01]

a1fa:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT] (rev a2)

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janneg:

abqjp: I will let you know when I'm able to play something through it

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a1fa:

hm

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a1fa:

this is crazy

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a1fa:

my nvidia thinks CRT is primary monitor plug

[22:53:26]

a1fa:

not HDMI

[22:53:32]

a1fa:

how can i change that?

[22:53:36]

abqjp:

janneg: isn't the API still undisclosed?

[22:53:46]

janneg:

iamlindoro: xvmc is available now too

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janneg:

abqjp: yes, but gdb restore all methods and the similarity to the directx api helps with knowing which objects are to create and which methods are to call

[22:56:50]

a1fa:

grrr

[22:59:19]

iamlindoro:

janneg, nice!

[22:59:30]

iamlindoro:

janneg, good timing, just walked in the door-- have you tested the XvMC?

[23:00:28]

iamlindoro:

lord only knows why they don't mention these things...

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[23:01:33]

janneg:

not yet, first trying to get my lcd tv run

[23:02:08]

iamlindoro:

well glad it's active at least on your card now

[23:03:07]

** janneg hopes they are talking with intel/nvidia to get a single api and announce it when they are all ready to ship it **

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janneg:

s/hopes/dreams/

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iamlindoro:

heh, that would be nice

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jams:

and when was the last time intel/amd/nvidia/ati played nice

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mcquaid:

i'm not sure if it's myth doing it, was going to try tvtime next. i've upgraded my ubuntu myth box to latest and now with new recordings or live tv i'm getting field order issues

[23:09:46]

mcquaid:

it's not simple interlacing, i know what wrong field order looks like, all old recordings prior to the upgrade play fine

[23:10:14]

mcquaid:

any way to swap fields in myth?

[23:10:34]

janneg:

nay, that didn't worked well

[23:10:42]

mcquaid:

i've tried the progressive, interlaced, reversed option but didn't help

[23:10:45]

a1fa:

hey anyone familiar with DVI connectors?

[23:10:57]

** janneg blames mostly the wrong EDID of the LCD TV **

[23:11:07]

a1fa:

i have a single link DVI-D to HDMI cable

[23:11:19]

a1fa:

and my video card looks like dual link DVI-D output

[23:11:28]

a1fa:

should i still be able to output image ?

[23:11:47]

janneg:

a1fa: I think so

[23:12:04]

a1fa:

hm

[23:12:14]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, HDMI is single link itself, so should be fine

[23:12:20]

a1fa:

hm

[23:12:30]

a1fa:

my 6600GT doesnt recognize my 32" tv

[23:12:52]

a1fa:

;(

[23:13:02]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, some TVs can *only* do the ATSC (read 408i/p, 720p, 1080ip) resolutions from HDMI

[23:13:08]

iamlindoro:

so make sure you're using one of those

[23:13:19]

iamlindoro:

er 480

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a1fa:

should I not be able to see it via hwinfo --monitor

[23:14:27]

a1fa:

regardless?

[23:14:33]

iamlindoro:

dunno anything about that command, so couldn't tell you

[23:14:38]

a1fa:

this was working fine on my previous nvidia card

[23:15:12]

a1fa:

so..tv is good up to 1080i tested

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a1fa:

how can i force the graphics card to output signal via DVI-D on default

[23:15:51]

a1fa:

because i think its only outputing to vga

[23:16:42]

a1fa:

Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP" — fail

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iamlindoro:

a1fa, have you run nvidia-xconfig as root yet?

[23:17:34]

a1fa:

yup

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a1fa:

it only shows CRT

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a1fa:

i am connecting via VNC

[23:19:40]

a1fa:

CRT-0 (CRT-0)

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iamlindoro:

I don't think it's important what it calls them, that may be totally arbitrary-- are you looking at it also to make sure it's not actually working?

[23:20:57]

iamlindoro:

ISTR nvidia decided to call my 1080p projector something random too

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a1fa:

(WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to find any of the requested display device "DFP-1" in

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a1fa:

:)

[23:21:27]

a1fa:

they dont show up in nvidia-xconfig

[23:21:58]

iamlindoro:

nvidia-xconfig doesn't show anything, it just generates an xorg.conf. And in most modern cases, you shouldn't need to define the monitor at all

[23:22:08]

a1fa:

ok

[23:22:18]

iamlindoro:

in recent distros with recent display devices xorg ought to be practically empty

[23:22:21]

a1fa:

so what do you suggest

[23:22:26]

janneg:

iamlindoro: XvMC works but has extreme flicker, but plain Xv isn't better either

[23:22:44]

iamlindoro:

running nvidia-xconfig with nothing but hdmi connected, rebooting.

[23:22:53]

iamlindoro:

backup your xorg.conf first

[23:23:16]

iamlindoro:

janneg, hmmm, I have been running the 8.11 beta and haven't had any flicker issues, hope final doesn't introduce them :(

[23:23:19]

a1fa:

i've done that

[23:23:36]

a1fa:

nothing shows up on screen when i reboot

[23:23:41]

iamlindoro:

a1fa, Then I would suggest seeking help from $yourdistro

[23:23:51]

iamlindoro:

as that should "just work"

[23:23:55]

a1fa:

:)

[23:23:57]

a1fa:

tick tock

[23:23:58]

a1fa:

;P

[23:24:17]

a1fa:

its AGP 8x

[23:24:23]

iamlindoro:

shouldn't matter

[23:24:25]

a1fa:

and bios may be set to agp 4x,

[23:24:34]

a1fa:

but the video card should just be slower, right/

[23:24:36]

a1fa:

ok cool

[23:24:41]

a1fa:

maybe initialize CRT,LCD?

[23:24:48]

a1fa:

could that have anything to do with this

[23:25:32]

iamlindoro:

I doubt it, dunno-- I have been lucky the last few years in terms of my display devices and drivers "just working"

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** iamlindoro goes to test xvmc downstairs **

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iamlindoro:

Gah

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[23:29:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks for explaining Dibblah's comment to me (in #mythtv :)

[23:29:09]

janneg:

I think the flicker would work great with a beamer and very old movies

[23:29:11]

iamlindoro:

sphery, haha

[23:29:47]

sphery:

Didn't put the name with the mail until I saw your comment.

[23:32:28]

kkuno:

"MythWeb is currently being rewritten to support streaming of content via Flash "

[23:32:31]

kkuno:

is it correct?

[23:33:05]

iamlindoro:

Mythweb already has a "alpha" flash player

[23:33:07]

sphery:

well, rewritten may be a bit too strong a word, but yes, eventually MythWeb will have support for streaming content via flash

[23:33:27]

kkuno:

ok

[23:33:44]

sphery:

the current alpha implementation will be completely removed and instead the transcoding to other formats (including flash) will happen on the backend

[23:34:18]

sphery:

so, MythWeb devs can't do anything more until a dev adds the ability for the backend to transcode on demand

[23:34:33]

sphery:

so, really "currently" may also be a bit too strong a word

[23:34:34]

kkuno:

I see

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a1fa:

ok

[23:34:47]

a1fa:

so now i hooked it into svideo

[23:34:52]

kkuno:

iamlindoro, btw xvmc doesn't work with catalyst 8.11 ?

[23:34:53]

clever:

sphery: how much of that backend side of things is done and on trac?

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kkuno:

I'm compiling it

[23:35:01]

sphery:

(which is probably a lot more answer than you wanted--when a "yes" would basically cover it :)

[23:35:09]

sphery:

clever: none

[23:35:19]

clever:

ah :(

[23:35:40]

a1fa:

it wont even display stuff via S-VIDEO

[23:35:41]

iamlindoro:

kkuno, is that a question, or a statement? If a question, ask janneg who is playing with it

[23:36:09]

sphery:

one of the devs has done some work (and may have posted a patch on the lists, but I'd have to look to verify) to allow having multiple files per recorded episode and has done a bunch of work (don't know about patches) for allowing mythbackend to use containers other than NUV

[23:36:33]

clever:

sphery: yeah that would be a good start for the framework

[23:36:48]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Hopefully that will allow a hook to on-the-fly transcode too

[23:37:06]

iamlindoro:

versus having to keep various profiles sitting around

[23:37:10]

sphery:

yep, but Ca pt a in _M urd och (trying not to trigger his alert) has been busy

[23:37:39]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, that's the eventual goal

[23:37:52]

sphery:

the MythWeb using it is a nice extra benefit

[23:37:55]

clever:

sphery: if we just got a basic 'svn diff' then somebody could posibly finish it up without him

[23:38:22]

iamlindoro:

Much as I hate whining from earlier, I will agree that mythtranscode being more of an libavcodec frontend (with the same capabilities as the onboard version) would be sweet

[23:38:56]

sphery:

well, if you know of someone who has the time to do that (and isn't already knee-deep or deeper in partially-completed patches for Myth), feel free to contact him...

[23:39:19]

clever:

iamlindoro: yes that would greatly simplify transcoding to other codecs/containers with renaming while keeping the db updated

[23:39:31]

a1fa:

twinview == SUCK

[23:39:47]

sphery:

yep, all Xinerama-related ilk do

[23:40:38]

sphery:

after all, 2-headed (or more) monsters belong in the movies we record--not in the viewing room

[23:40:52]

clever:

i have xinerama off and let the 2 heads act seperately as :0.0 and :0.1

[23:41:07]

sphery:

isn't that Xinerama?

[23:41:18]

sphery:

2 separate X servers would be :0 and :1, wouldn't they?

[23:41:23]

clever:

i thought xinerama is merging them into :0.0

[23:41:27]

GreyFoxx:

yes they would

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clever:

the :0.0 and :0.1 are under a single server with 1 mouse/keyb, but you cant move windows between the heads

[23:41:57]

GreyFoxx:

I have 2 card and 2 X servers and they are :0 and :!

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GreyFoxx:

:1

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GreyFoxx:

0.1 is a subscreen of :0.0

[23:42:18]

clever:

GreyFoxx: i played with x alot a few months ago

[23:42:24]

clever:

i have a 2nd card in the box

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: multiple keyboards/mice or using that program that allows sharing/switching (don't remember the name)

[23:42:29]

GreyFoxx:

woop, foods ready

[23:42:36]

clever:

was planning to give qemu its own private card for 24/7 fullscreen action

[23:42:57]

clever:

but it was near imposible to configure the usb keyboards to the proper X servers

[23:43:08]

clever:

and i kept getting kernel panics

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sphery:

clever will love AMD's new IOMMU

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clever:

sphery: the cpu isnt amd based

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

[23:45:12]

clever:

a 3rd reason i gave up, task manager took 90% of the cpu to display the bare bones process list from a fresh install

[23:45:17]

clever:

and lagged horidly

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sphery:

Yeah, but AMD's future platforms--with the SR5690 chipset--allow virtualized I/O through a virtualizable IOMMU (i.e. being able to assing a device directly to a VM without the hypervisor getting in the way/slowing things down)--they would allow your system to more efficiently do what you want to do

[23:45:50]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

it was mainly just for a single windows program to run some services while i keep porting them

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sphery:

of course, it's server-class, but will eventually make it to others, I presume

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Well that was a spectacular failure here :) Looks like to get working xvmc I'll need 8.11 final

[23:48:33]

janneg:

abqjp: if you think libavcodec/h264.c is ugly don't look at msdn example code

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a1fa:

ok twin view enabled svideo

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a1fa:

but i want hdmi

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ynn:

Could someone give me a hand. I just upgraded from mythbuntu 8.04 to 8.10 and I lost the ability to watch recordings on my frontend/backend.

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a1fa:

are you sure that i dont need dvi-d dual link cable?

[23:49:43]

iamlindoro:

HDMI = single link

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a1fa:

i know, but could it be that video card is picky?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm exercising great restraint. In "Why isn't LiveTV as smart as a regular recording?" the OP said there's no way he could teach the other users of his system how to go from one channel in LiveTV to another (i.e. he's "locked" into a multiplex and needs to switch cards to get a card that's not currently recording so he can go to another channel). He now said he figured out how to "fix" Myth's LiveTV. His approach ...

[23:50:21]

sphery:

... just starts LiveTV on a not in use capture card. I'm not even going to post to ask him how that's better than just telling the users to hit <whatever key he binds> to NEXTCARD .

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clever:

sphery: i find that regular recording is worse then livetv :P

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iamlindoro:

a1fa, If it were dual link on the DVI side the wires wouldn't run anywhere, so no :)

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clever:

sphery: for example, recording 2 shows on the same channel back2back on normal rules

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clever:

sphery: it will fully shutdown the card, change to the channel its allready on, then start recording again

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iamlindoro:

sphery, oh yay

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clever:

droping 30 or more seconds of content

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sphery:

clever: sure, 30 seconds of content on a Pentium II 400MHz

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clever:

next, livetv changes from 1 file to another seamlessly without any content lost

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clever:

sphery: how can the identical setup loose no content at all with livetv then?

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sphery:

drops a total of maybe 2 seconds content on my system (Athlon XP 2400+ and Athlon XP 2000+ , but with ATSC capture)

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clever:

atsc is pure digital and no channel change scripts, so its got alot more different things

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sphery:

because there's a different path involved for LiveTV and recordings when it comes to program transition

[23:52:43]

clever:

but still

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clever:

your livetv doesnt even drop 2 seconds when the program changes

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a1fa:

iamlindoro: what is wierd is that i cant get any EDID info from the monitor

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clever:

yes, the code handles that switchover differently

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clever:

so its not the hardwares fault, its the code

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sphery:

because to most of us, it's not worth the effort to change recordings to have special cases for back-to-back recordings to get those 3 seconds of content--especially when a capture card (and mandatory start early/end late) is a /lot/ cheaper than the code it would take to do it differently

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clever:

stop pointing fingers at my 400mhz cpu :P

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RyeBrye:

my cell phone runs at 528 MHz ;)

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clever:

sphery: the mandatory start early/end late would cause conflicts all over the place

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sphery:

OK, I agree that channel change scripts and some capture cards, etc will slow things down, too

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sphery:

clever: that's what the extra capture cards are for--to prevent conflicts

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clever:

sphery: also, what about overlaping schedules

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sphery:

still, code is expensive unless you're leaching off someone else's efforts

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clever:

back2back on the same channel, with 3mins of optional pre/post record

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clever:

it seems trivial in theory to stream the card to 2 files at once for the 6mins of overlap

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clever:

i think dvb can do it allready(for a single 'stream/channel' or diff channels on the same multiplex)

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sphery:

clever: as I mentioned before, all the framework is in place and it just needs someone who cares enough to write the code to allow it for non-DVB cards

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clever:

yeah i just remembered that

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sphery:

that someone is not me :)

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clever:

i just have to find out where that framework is

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clever:

and hope i dont drown in the ocean of existing code:P

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sphery:

(in other words, I don't care enough--I have enough capture cards I can add start early/end late where I want (though I really don't and I don't miss anything worth worrying about))

[23:57:24]

clever:

might allmost be simpler to make my own capture program from scratch:P

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sphery:

I've heard it takes only 40 lines of perl code to replace all functionality in MythTV.

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sphery:

(that was probably the best thread ever)

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clever:

i just mean the basic capturing of channels on demand

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clever:

scheduling is a massive nightmare:P

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iamlindoro:

janneg, I note that the ATI Xv adapter is now called ATI AVIVO video, which as memory serves is their name for their GPU accel

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clever:

sphery: in theory, i can make a special ringbuffer object thats designed to have 1 writer and multiple readers

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clever:

then emit a qt signal when new data arrives, and each 'recorded' can read out a copy of the stream and save/stream it

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sphery:

yeah, I'm referring to an old thread where someone tried to get Myth working, had issues, complained loudly to the list about how he would have made Myth better, then got a lot of responses saying, "Well, do it," and he finally replied saying he wrote his own program to do what Myth claimed to do and it only took 40 lines of Perl.

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