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Friday, October 24th, 2008, 00:03 UTC

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fuxxy:

Has anyone tried setting up a comcast DVR remote with myth/lirc?

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mchou:

fuxxy: why bother? use firewire

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fuxxy:

mchou, uh, I'm considering getting a comcast DVR remote for the functionality and ease of operation, I didn't realize firewire was an option?

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mchou:

fuxxy: cheaper and more reliable too

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fuxxy:

mchou, I don't think you understand my question

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fuxxy:

I do NOT have a set top box

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fuxxy:

I'm interested in getting the remote only to control myth

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mchou:

you dont have STB but you have remotre control from STB?

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fuxxy:

mchou, I'm considering buying one, yes

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fuxxy:

mchou, I don't see any configs in lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes for "comcast" branded remotes, but they could be rebranded

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fuxxy:

I don't want to buy one if it won't work with my iR reciever

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Dagmar:

So buy a One4All programmable remote.

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wagnerrp:

you can actually buy... just the remote?

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wagnerrp:

you dont have to buy/rent a dvr to get the remote?

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onexused:

I realize this channel is called mythtv-users, but is anyone interested in helping me try to get -a- digital channel on something simpler? I want to make sure I can, first. I have mplayer & kaffeine installed, if one of those works. An atsc scanning program reports getting channels, but I can't seem to view any.

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wagnerrp:

if youre using mplayer, go a channel scan with dvbscan to create a channels.conf, and then just access it directly with mplayer

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mchou:

onexused: or xine

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mchou:

xine is easier

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, I'll have to look at the One4All's... My wife's grandmother needs to use this and it needs to be intuitive, but with all the DVR goodies

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fuxxy:

wagnerrp, you can buy all sorts of stuff on ebay :)

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onexused:

mchou: either is fine. I have xine installed, too, and I actually use that for everything else.

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Dagmar:

The point being you can program them to behave like any one of dozens of other models.

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wagnerrp:

but its not theirs to sell

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Dagmar:

...so no more "I won't buy it if it won't work and I'm too lazy to read for myself"

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wagnerrp:

its a comcast dvr, comcast does not sell dvrs (AFAIK), merely rent them to their users

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onexused:

wangerrp: What package is dvbscan usually a part of?

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wagnerrp:

dvb-tools, or dvb-utils, with out without dashes, something like that

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EnderTheThird:

Anyone know how Mythbuntu Control Centre forces authentication? I want to allow no authentication for LAN, but I'm not sure which files Mythbuntu modified. I'm checking the wiki now but a lot of that stuff is commented out

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, meh

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onexused:

wangerrp: Hmm, gentoo doesn't seem to have any of the four. I'll just look it up.

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wagnerrp:

onexused: check the wiki for 'Adding_Digital_Cable_Channels', it describes how to do it

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: Have you tried #Mythbuntu

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EnderTheThird:

Checking in there too. Thought someone in here might know

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wagnerrp:

authentication for what?

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EnderTheThird:

for Mythweb access

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wagnerrp:

well then its in your apache settings

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wagnerrp:

probably /etc/apache/Includes/mythweb.conf

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wagnerrp:

look for a line 'AuthUserFile'

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wagnerrp:

now how to force authentication for over the internet, but not over the lan, i have no idea

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onexused:

wangerrp: dvbscan 's in linuxtv-dvb-apps in gentoo, if you want to know.

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wagnerrp:

i ended up having mythweb on a dedicated ip internally, on the root path with no authentication

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wagnerrp:

and then proxying it through my external server in /mythweb with authentication

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You can define blocks of source addresses to apply to teh access control directives

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wagnerrp:

err, no... its on the root path externally as well, on a virtual subdomain

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wagnerrp:

same path, so i guess i could just put it on one web server

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm, downright inconvenient time for the computer to freeze, heh. Sorry about that.

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wagnerrp:

whats the last you got?

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EnderTheThird:

"probably /etc/apache/Includes/mythweb.conf"

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EnderTheThird:

checking that now

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wagnerrp:

anyway, there will be some directive 'AuthUserFile'

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dustybin:

_strange_ case from antec: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/161/ske07ed5989um8.jpg

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: no such file as listed above

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wagnerrp:

apparently you can block off addresses for separate access control

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wagnerrp:

well i have no idea where your distro might put apache

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EnderTheThird:

there's a /var/www/mythweb/mythweb.conf.apache, but that one has the lines commented out

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wagnerrp:

for me, its /usr/local/etc/apache22/Includes/mythweb.conf

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EnderTheThird:

wagnerrp: what distro?

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wagnerrp:

but thats freebsd

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EnderTheThird:

got ya

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wagnerrp:

not a distro, per se

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EnderTheThird:

i'll check mythbuntu to see what they say

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iamlindoro:

/etc/apache2/sites-enabled

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iamlindoro:

/mythweb.blahblahblah

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: thanks

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EnderTheThird:

and you too wagnerrp

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: you try the pinnacle?

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wagnerrp:

i never realized just how large that fan was

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wagnerrp:

i had seen the open-air case before

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wagnerrp:

anyway, dustybin, if you didnt know, thats an antec case

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EnderTheThird:

mchou: yeah. using it now. not quite as nice as the HDHR, but it works better than that 1600!

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: there be shills on this channel

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ldiamond:

is there any tool that can simply remux a WMV to something like AVI, MP4, MKV, OGG ?

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: I'm sure you know who I'm referring to

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EnderTheThird:

mchou: it's all good now. don't really care if it was bad luck before or what. i'm happy now

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mchou:

EnderTheThird: word.

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EnderTheThird:

i tackled upgrading my MBE today. now i'm debating upgrading my desktop too

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wagnerrp:

ldiamond: doom9 is a good place to start for all your encoding/transcoding/whatever needs

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EnderTheThird:

kind of off-topic, i know, but is there a faster way to mount ftp sites than smbfs? it seems awfully slow to navigate

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wagnerrp:

if you have windows media encoder (free) there should be a stream editor in the included utilities

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wagnerrp:

you may be able to demux the channels with that

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wagnerrp:

if mplayer can open it, mencoder can demux it

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if mplayer has wmv support though

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cesman:

mplayer will play a WMV as long as it isn't encumbered w/ DRM

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ldiamond:

Windows media encoder only converts to WMV (same as my source in that case)

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wagnerrp:

correct, i was going to have you demux to the raw streams, and then use whatever tool you wanted to mux back into your respective container

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wagnerrp:

the included stream editor should be able to do that

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onexused:

Awesome: xine works to show my ATSC channels.

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onexused:

Now I have to figure out how to set up mythtv so I can record :\

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ldiamond:

I dont see how I can get the raw streams with wme

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Ridd1er:

hey all.

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Ridd1er:

anyone here familiar with running LIRC on ubuntu for mythtv?

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EnderTheThird:

Riddler: Mythbuntu Control Centre simplifies most of that for me

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Ridd1er:

I am not running mythbuntu.. I wish I was..

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Ridd1er:

i built this myth box on feisty a long time ago.

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Ridd1er:

recently upgraded it to gutsy.. and mythtv 0.21

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EnderTheThird:

Gutsy doesn't have control centre in the repo?

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Ridd1er:

everything works.. the recordings are there etc.. but my remote is hosed!

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Ridd1er:

if its there I don't know what its called

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EnderTheThird:

"sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre" i believe

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Ridd1er:

checking it out..

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dustybin:

does anybody know the switch what fixes seeking on .mkv using mkvmerge ?

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Dagmar:

mkv is for lamers

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Ridd1er:

well i was able to get the pkg for mythtbuntu-control-centre.. but when I try to run it, it balks at some missing files its referencing for other apps

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dustybin:

Dagmar: its ok for what i need it for

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dustybin:

the mp4 container and AC3 doesnt mix properly yet

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EnderTheThird:

Riddler: restarting and whatnot. I'm not very experienced with LIRC in the first place, but i can try to help when i get back

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Ridd1er:

kk thx

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iamlindoro:

you shouldn't be just installing packages, this isn't winzip ya know

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iamlindoro:

apt-get exists for a reason, to fill dependencies

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iamlindoro:

don't just download debs and try to install them, sheesh, welcome to the mid 90s

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fuxxy:

Is there a way to set a jump point in lircrc without having to set a hotkey for the jump point in myth?

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iamlindoro:

and if you aren't running mythbuntu or at least *ubuntu* then the odds of mythbuntu contro lcenter working are zero and none

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iamlindoro:

Bah, this is eating into my pornography and pillage time

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Ridd1er:

EnderTheThird: no go on the restart etc.. but I am going to have to put this on hold a little bit. I have somewhere to be.. I'll be back later tonight though

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fuxxy:

Gar, it feels like all they keys are already programmed in myth keybindings

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fuxxy:

so that leave no "open" keys for jump points

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iamlindoro:

!@#$%^&*()

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iamlindoro:

all great open keys

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iamlindoro:

plus, not all characters exits on your keyboard

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iamlindoro:

but they work too

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iamlindoro:

s/exits/exist/

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fuxxy:

so I can use any ascii character for a jump point?

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fuxxy:

or mabye a key combination?

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iamlindoro:

as a keybinding, yes

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iamlindoro:

a jump point is something different

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iamlindoro:

you can ASSIGN a key/character to a jumppoint

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ldiamond:

mkv is nice

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, correct

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ldiamond:

until recently, VLC didnt play mp4 correctly

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iamlindoro:

but jumppoints are immutable, not editable by you

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ldiamond:

so mkv was the best option

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, I have to assign a jump point to a key/character in order to use it with my remote

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iamlindoro:

you assign a key to a jumppoint, not vice versa

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, you're right, but the point remains the same

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, I can't map a jump point to a button on my remote without it being assigned to a key

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fuxxy:

or can I?

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ldiamond:

btw, mencoder does great at converting

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iamlindoro:

you can't map a jumppoin to anything

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iamlindoro:

you can map a key to a jumppoint

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iamlindoro:

I am trying to correct your language

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, no offense, I'm trying :)

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dustybin:

fuxxy: dont worry hes rude

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dustybin:

:P

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, only to the retarded, and fuxxy isn't that. You, on the other hand...

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fuxxy:

the jump point exists regardless if a key is mapped to it

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iamlindoro:

exactly, fuxxy

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fuxxy:

:)

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fuxxy:

but in order to USE the jump point, I have to press a key :)

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iamlindoro:

jump points represent hard coded locations in myth. You dynamically assign a key to a jumppoint, and the key to a remote button to bring the two together

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iamlindoro:

now you've got it

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, exactly

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fuxxy:

so now I need to figure out what keys arent already being used in myth, and it appears that they are all assigned

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iamlindoro:

fuxxy, one of the quickest way to look at what's mapped to what is in the mythweb keymap editor

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fuxxy:

I think a bang will work in this sutiation nicely

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iamlindoro:

but generally speaking, unless your packager has done something odd (which they probably haven't) the !@#$%^&*() keys are all fair game

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro, i'm in there now.. It's frustrating though

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Wicked:

hmm. alot of times the osd doesnt show the entire description of the show...is it possible to make it show it all? like on the stb if you hit the button twice it brings up a full description

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iamlindoro:

nope, wait for the improvements in MythUI in .22. for now you get overflows

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Wicked:

ah ok.

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wolfspirit:

A couple of questions.. are you supposed to be able to watch tv on a remote frontend because mine just blinks and goes back to the menu? Also, when I connect to my backend, all of my video and music files in the remote frontend are trying to find the same path that is on my remote box.. my understanding of a remote frontend myth setup was that the TV, video, music, etc. was all done by streaming.. is this not true?

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jams:

iamlindoro- woot time!

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GreyFoxx:

wolf: no, music and video are not streamed

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GreyFoxx:

they should be mounted on the frontends in the same location as the source

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GreyFoxx:

as for TV, yes it should be playable over the network

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GreyFoxx:

You'd have to look at the frontend logs

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iamlindoro:

jams, I needs me a munkeh

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wolfspirit:

GreyFoxx: what about recordings? the same thing?

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jams:

shipping is more the the purchase price

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iamlindoro:

man, why do they have to make Gears of War 2 ads GOOD

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iamlindoro:

Now I'mma have to play it

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my2keh:

any idea as to why I would get audio crackling in mythtv, but not in mplayer?

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GreyFoxx:

yes, recordings should stream

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wolfspirit:

my2keh: I get that too.. is it more of a chirping sound?

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iamlindoro:

A chirping sound implies corrupted audio

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my2keh:

hmm id unno if it's chirping, but it's almost like the sound of static or that of a walky talky

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my2keh:

it's on almost every show

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my2keh:

but doesn't happen in mplayer

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iamlindoro:

gosh, if only the frontend were capable of some sort of logging

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iamlindoro:

oh well, maybe in 2009

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: do you play games on that big massive screen?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, yes

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iamlindoro:

it's the only way to play

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dustybin:

fekkin hek

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iamlindoro:

It's not a game if the character isn't as tall as me

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dustybin:

lol

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: amen to that brother

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dustybin:

you americans like things big

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: and I was happy when I got my 32 inch LCD

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EnderTheThird:

if i can't see his pores, the TV/monitor isn't big enough

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jduggan:

dustybin: yep, especially the women

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jduggan:

haha

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iamlindoro:

@ 106 inches I can more or less make my character the same size as me

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dustybin:

hehehe

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iamlindoro:

Good thing I'm not the petty type, or I'd mention we like our women to brush once a fortnight too

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iamlindoro:

wouldn't want to find ourself in the big book of british smiles after all

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jduggan:

oh no

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jduggan:

he pulled out the teeth joke

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jduggan:

:|

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jduggan:

i have no come back to that :P

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iamlindoro:

No no, like I said, not petty, so I would never think of such a thing

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jduggan:

lol

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iamlindoro:

http://kotaku.com/5068014/gorgeous-gears-of-w . . . ets-the-mood

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: you seem knowledgeable in the ways of the chirping sound.. did you happen to have this once?

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iamlindoro:

wolfspirit, You should be looking at your frontend logs, and if there's nothing relevant, then start with -v playback and see if naything comes up. If it's corrupt audio in the stream, there will be plenty to look at

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: there was a patch apparently but I don't want to have to install from source since I don't feel like removing all of my packages.. I was hoping there was a config fix

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iamlindoro:

wolfspirit, the CRC fix is in .21, what version are you running?

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my2keh:

wolfspirit>> what patch?

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: oh trust me.. I've done plenty of log mining and research on this

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iamlindoro:

wolfspirit, not that you've shared with any of us

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: enough to make my eyes pop out of my head.. that was the only thing I could find

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iamlindoro:

if you've been doing all this log reading, that's far more helpful to us than "chirpingaudiohelp!"

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: http://bugs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5220

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iamlindoro:

anyway, if you are running .21 or later, the Ac3 CRC fix is long since included

[01:29:33]

wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: I was afraid of that

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iamlindoro:

*nobody* should be running .20 unless there's a darn good reason

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iamlindoro:

so I'll ask again, what version are you running?

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: mine is 0.21-fixes

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my2keh:

stupid question, but how do you check the version of myth? I'm running svn

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iamlindoro:

then that bug does not apply to you

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --version

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: <sigh>

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iamlindoro:

and svn means nothing, you can run SVN .18 if you want

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my2keh:

Yeah i figured

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iamlindoro:

svn *trunk* means something

[01:30:53]

iamlindoro:

but even that means little without a revision

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: you seem to be in a feisty mood tonight

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my2keh:

MythTV Version : 18011M

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my2keh:

MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

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my2keh:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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iamlindoro:

yes, not like my normal mild mannered self

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dustybin:

when will mythtv reach 1.0

[01:31:11]

iamlindoro:

never

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dustybin:

lol

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iamlindoro:

no, really

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iamlindoro:

never.

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dustybin:

why not

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: maybe you need to get laid

[01:31:35]

iamlindoro:

because 1.0 is an arbitrary goal that means nothing?

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iamlindoro:

wolfspirit, did this morning, not recent enough for you?

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dustybin:

everything before 1.0 is beta

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, no. It's not.

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my2keh:

o

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iamlindoro:

1.0 means nothing. And myth releases aren't betas. They're releases.

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dustybin:

ok

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my2keh:

i'm guessing there's no setting for "disable static sound" in the setup screens? heh

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dustybin:

what was mythtv .6 like?

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iamlindoro:

very private.

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dustybin:

when did

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: it's not for me that would be the concern.. it's for you.. you immediately jumped down my back that I didn't provide enough information and I wasn't even submitting a formal inquiry on the 'chirping' sounds.. I was just mentioning it since you seemed to know what it was about

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dustybin:

it get public? .17?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, no, earlier than that. Quite a bit.

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dustybin:

ok

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: I've already asked this question before so I can look to the logs in the chat to find the errors I was getting.. one second please

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jams:

.6 or .7 might have been about the time I started with myth

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iamlindoro:

don't bother, this bridge is burned

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dustybin:

fekkin heck: " it would take approximately $10.8 billion to build the Linux community distribution Fedora 9 in today's dollars with today's software development costs.'"

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iamlindoro:

jams, hmm.. maybe I'm misremembering.. thought Isaac only publicized it around .7 or.8 or so

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wolfspirit:

iamlindoro: you don't have to be the one to answer my question...

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jams:

iamlindoro- so then .7 must be where i started, as it's in both our lists =)

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onexused:

This might be a silly question, but I have a pcHDTV 5500 card. When I'm setting up capture cards, I -do- want card type set to "pcHDTV DTV capture card", right? Or do I want the "DVB DTV capture card"?

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my2keh:

hmmmm I've switch the sound to 5.1 and it seems like less static

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my2keh:

that doesn't make sense

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iamlindoro:

jams, no no, looks like you're right... AFAICT from the dev list archives .6 is first

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iamlindoro:

jams, or maybe even .5

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jams:

btw you can download pre .6 myth from the website

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iamlindoro:

I don't think I started using until maybe 0.8 or 0.9

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dustybin:

does richard isaac come into this channel ever?

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jams:

but I know i didn't start that early

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iamlindoro:

no such person

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GreyFoxx:

dust: rarely

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iamlindoro:

We do have an Isaac Richards though

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GreyFoxx:

he normally sticks to #mythtv

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dustybin:

yep i mean him

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dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro:

jams, pffft, more backdating, I see .4 references on the list-- I'm clearly off my rocker

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jams:

GreyFoxx- didn't we have a richard isaac on the dev mailing list briefly about 3 years ago?

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jams:

i seem to remember it being a souce of amusement

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GreyFoxx:

jams : sounds familiar heh

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J-e-f-f-A:

jeeze, I'm feeling like a myth pre-schooler then... I think I started on .15 or .16...

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torriem:

So mythtranscode --mpeg2 does something to my sound channels. if I play the transcoded file (commercials chopped, but otherwise lossless transcode) in mplayer, I have to hit "#" to switch to the other sound track. This causes nuvexport to transcode the wrong audio track. Is there some way to either stop mythtranscode from doing this, or get nuvexport to choose an audio channel?

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wolfspirit:

I have mythtv 0.21-fixes and I seem to be getting 'chirping' sounds when recording and watching at the same time (so basically live tv).. I assumed this was an audio problem and after days of researching this through the mythtv wiki and google I found "http://bugs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5220" but apparently this has already been implemented so it must not effect me. I have a dual core AMD X2 2.0 ghz with 2 gigs of ram an nvid

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J-e-f-f-A:

wolfspirit: I have a similar issue with the 2nd tuner on my PVR-500 occasionally for a month or two now – which is analog, so this ac3 issue doesn't apply in my case... I haven't resolved it yet.

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my2keh:

mine is more scratchy then chirp/popping

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J-e-f-f-A:

Yeah, I'd say scratchy, like it's sampled at a higher rate than the playback rate...

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wolfspirit:

my2keh: I guess you could describe mine as scratchy too.. it's hard to say.. it's very short and abrupt though

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wolfspirit:

more like the sound of a record being scratched for a second

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my2keh:

yes

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my2keh:

does yours happen in mplayer too?

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wolfspirit:

my2keh: I've never tried watching tv in mplayer to be honest

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J-e-f-f-A:

My issue seemed to coincide with when I added a PCIe 1250 card... which has since been removed and replaced with a HDHomerun, but the issue persists... so it may have been a coincidence....

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wolfspirit:

my2keh: my wife is already pissed at me enough when it does this.. anything computer related is my fault

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'll find a recording and try it in mplayer... give me a few mins... ;-)

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my2keh:

does your issue sometimes cause stuttering with the audio? like when someone is talking

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my2keh:

wolfspirit>> I hear ya, mine now just makes jokes

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my2keh:

jokes like poking my kidneys

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my2keh:

lol

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my2keh:

what's your input source? cable, sat?

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wolfspirit:

my2keh: cable from the wall.. I cancelled cable but decided to try plugging it from the wall to my tv and realized I was still receiving all of the HD channels

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my2keh:

hmm mine is sat

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my2keh:

i wonder if you can get 'bad' signal from cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

mine is sat too... and I'm playing one on the internal player now, it's 'tinny' sounding on my backend... not as bad sounding as on my frontend... now to find the filename via mythweb and try mplayer on it...

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my2keh:

i ended up just downloading it with Firefox instead of finding the filename haha

[01:57:25]

my2keh:

do you guys have extra audio buffering turned on?

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wolfspirit:

my2keh: yes

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my2keh:

hmm i don't...maybe i'll turn that on

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my2keh:

i just noticed there's 2 settings for this

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my2keh:

under playback and one under General

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fuxxy:

hmmmm

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fuxxy:

old hauppauge remote doesnt work

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fuxxy:

but it's not reading the old remote anymore

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... playing back via asx stream in vlc on my peecee is scratchy, with lots of lost audio buffers...

[02:04:18]

my2keh:

then you have a signal type issue I would think

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my2keh:

if it's scratchy in both places it not an output, but the input that's the problem

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J-e-f-f-A:

my2keh: Yeah, there's been some talk about the tuner's audio input not being set properly...

[02:05:21]

wolfspirit:

my2keh: with mine if I watch the recording later with no live tv going then I don't get it.. it's only when I have both going.. and it's not all the time

[02:05:50]

my2keh:

ahh i never watch Live TV

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J-e-f-f-A:

wolfspirit: Yours sounds like an interrrupt issue if it only happens at some times. Mine's consistent, so it's the original recording.

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fuxxy:

Is there a way for me to see if mythtv is recieving the flags from lirc?

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my2keh:

hmmm either this extra audio buffering fixed my issue or it's just a fluke but i don't have it

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wolfspirit:

J-e-f-f-A: I thought it was a resource issue before but I have plenty of ram and my cpu is at 30% at the most during recordings

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fuxxy:

lirc sees the remote keypresses for sure

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my2keh:

or these videos are good

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my2keh:

wolfspirit>> he didn't say resource issue, he said interrupt

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wolfspirit:

fuxxy: if you run mythfrontend with -v all I believe it records key presses in the logs too

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J-e-f-f-A:

wolfspirit: I'm not saying you're running out of cpu or memory, but perhaps you have an irq conflict between your sound card and another device.

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my2keh:

you guys using spdif?

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J-e-f-f-A:

... and maybe I have the same issue with my pvr-500... I dunno...

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wolfspirit:

no I'm just straight coax.. not using any audio inputs

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J-e-f-f-A:

my2keh: not currently, just analog audio atm... in & out.

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my2keh:

damn no commonalities lol

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my2keh:

well I'm out for now! good luck

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wolfspirit:

later

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fuxxy:

wolfspirit, hmm.. log doesn't show anything

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fuxxy:

wolfspirit, I dont see what happened, I modified the lircrc file that myth was already using successfully to use the buttons from my new hauppauge remote

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fuxxy:

hmm, not even my

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fuxxy:

hmmm

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fuxxy:

lircrc: bad file format

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fuxxy:

line 100 apparently

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fuxxy:

now what is lircd trying to tell me

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fuxxy:

line 100 is simply "begin"

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fuxxy:

OH WAIT

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fuxxy:

there's no cnofig = set

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fuxxy:

grr, that still didnt work

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fuxxy:

aha!

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fuxxy:

forgot some "end" lines

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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J-e-f-f-A:

SpaceBass: You automatically assume we're all farmers? ;-)

[02:32:15]

SpaceBass:

new to myth and doing a lot of reading / trying to learn .... I have all Mac OSX frontends that connect to the backend via mounted network drive – I've noticed that VLC can stream recored programs with no hiccups ... is there a way to auto "transcode" shows and "present" them in such a way that frontrow or VLC could pick them up?

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SpaceBass:

J-e-f-f-A I could have said "howdy"

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SpaceBass:

I know thats vague at best .. but what I'm after is a way to record with myth backend and use native OSX apps to play back files ...

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J-e-f-f-A:

SpaceBass: Why not run the OSX frontend? But if you'd reather stream it, the backend has a basic UPnP server implemented. It's not a full frontend, but would do what you want I think...

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fuxxy:

awesome, it works

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SpaceBass:

J-e-f-f-A I have played with frontend for OSX and its nice ... but we get 90% of our content from sources other than myth ... think rss feeds :)

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SpaceBass:

J-e-f-f-A I've heard about the upnp server – not sure what I'm missing, but my VLC clients do not seem to see it

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J-e-f-f-A:

SpaceBass: Well, then I can't really help you... Sounds like the stuff you want to stream isn't seen by mythtv anyways... and that's all the UPnP server is going to present to you.

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SpaceBass:

J-e-f-f-A I understand that my other content is not going to be presented by myth – which is fine- what I'm after is the stuff I record

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J-e-f-f-A:

SpaceBass: Then just browse it with mythweb, the 'asx stream' button probably works in OSX... (mabye not, I haven't tested it on my wife's mac...)

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SpaceBass:

the asx stream works perfectly! but it requires that I open a web browser, etc ... hardly the "10 foot experience"

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SpaceBass:

but I love that idea – if there was a way to get that same program listing and view the files via frontrow or VLC (which has a remote control module in OSX) then I'd be set

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Dagmar:

qq more

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SpaceBass:

qq?

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Dagmar:

If you want a "10 foot experience" use mythfrontend already.

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wagnerrp:

SpaceBass: by default, VLC does not support UPNP

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if frontrow does or not, never used it

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Dagmar:

He wandered off.

[03:11:05]

Dagmar:

I'm sure he'll be back tomorrow for more of not actually using Myth

[03:11:25]

Dagmar:

95% of his problems stem from trying his damnedest to avoid using the frontend at all

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SlicerDicer:

ping

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Dagmar:

In before ping

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wagnerrp:

i really need to figure out why my laptop does not connect to my wireless

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wagnerrp:

if it does connect, it never does it on the first try

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Wicked:

hmm i recorded survivor tonight in hd and its only 7.8 gigs...i thought hd came in at over 10gigs/hour

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wagnerrp:

digital can be AT MOST ~9gb/hr

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wagnerrp:

19.something mbit

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Wicked:

ah.

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justin_purdy:

Hiya, folks

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justin_purdy:

For some reason when I try to change to a channel whose last two digits are the same, say 322, it ignores the double at the end and changes to 32

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justin_purdy:

My backend is controlling an STB via an IR blaster, so I'm guessing the problem lies somewhere within my LIRC setup, but I have no idea where to start looking

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Anduin:

justin_purdy: what does the blaster script look like, is the pause too long between sending numbers?

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Dagmar:

I'd say it's probably too short.

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justin_purdy:

Yeah, I had it set to 0.1

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justin_purdy:

I bumped it back because it felt like it was taking too long to change channels

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justin_purdy:

Is there another way I can boost that?

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Dagmar:

...and now it thinks you're accidentally double-pressing a button

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justin_purdy:

Must be. I'll set it back to the default of 0.4

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justin_purdy:

I'm just wondering where else I would tweak it to improve channel change speed

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Dagmar:

You can buy another STB, or you can try connecting to it over firewire.

[03:58:23]

Dagmar:

You already changed the values once.

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Dagmar:

...and those are the only controls you get.

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justin_purdy:

Crap – changing to a 3 digit channel takes like 4–5 seconds

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justin_purdy:

And it still didn't work at 0.4

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justin_purdy:

I have this in my channel change script: for digit in $(echo $1 | sed -e 's/./& /g')

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justin_purdy:

I can't read regex yet – would anything in there affect doubled digits?

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PinkFreud:

$ echo foo | sed 's/./& /g'

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PinkFreud:

f o o

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PinkFreud:

that's what it does. :)

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justin_purdy:

Hmm...I tested doing a 2 digit double, and it worked fine

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justin_purdy:

44 works, 322 doesn't

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PinkFreud:

it'll turn 44 into '4 4 ' and 322 into '3 2 2 '

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mchou:

hah, this is great. comcast cable service for $10/mo. for a full year

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mchou:

"As part of the initiative, Comcast is offering low-cost solutions including free basic cable for 12 months to those who sign up for at least one additional Comcast service."

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jams:

justin_purdy- you could have the change_channel script run in the background. That way myth doesn't wait on the script to finish .

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mchou:

those of us on who hav internet with comcast, this implies we no longer need to pay for stinking basic cable at least for a year

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Hilikus_:

hey guys

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Hilikus_:

when i transcode a program from mythweb what does it get transcoded to?

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Hilikus_:

and where does it end up being? i need access to the file

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EnderTheThird:

anyone around?

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justinh:

just ask a question :)

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Hilikus:

guys, using nuvexport, which combination of transcoder/format will give me a good quality and MOST IMPORTANTLY fast transcoding. i dont really care about the file size, i just want something smaller than the default format

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justinh:

Hilikus: what default format?

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justinh:

fast transcoding wont give you the best transcoding. the best transcodes need 2 passes really

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Hilikus:

whatever mythtv uses to store its videos

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justinh:

that depends on the kind of tuner you use

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Hilikus:

nuv i believe

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Hilikus:

oh ok

[05:30:04]

justinh:

so you're using a framegrabber then... software encoding

[05:30:14]

Hilikus:

no, hardware

[05:30:23]

justinh:

pvr card?

[05:31:03]

Hilikus:

how long are we talking to transcode in crappy quality a 4GB show of 1 hour

[05:31:14]

Hilikus:

yes, hauppauge

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justinh:

depends on your cpu etc

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iamlindoro:

no such thing as hardware encoding resulting in NUV (unless you've already transcoded it)

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iamlindoro:

if you're using a hardware encoder, you have MPGs

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Hilikus:

iamlindoro i havent, so what i said is actually wrong

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Hilikus:

ok, thats what i have

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justinh:

even on a very fast system you're probably looking at an hour to transcode an hour's worth of recording

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Hilikus:

justinh excellent

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Hilikus:

thats what i needed to know

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Hilikus:

thanks

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Hilikus:

i wont transcode then

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justinh:

my athlon 2000xp takes over 2 hours to transcode mpeg2 at 720x576, deinterlace it & churn out a lower res xvid

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justinh:

so I don't bother

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Hilikus:

then my next question is, how can i easily tell which file in mythtv is which program??

[05:33:51]

Hilikus:

the filenames are not too clear

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justinh:

heh

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Hilikus:

is there a better way than going to the DB?

[05:34:09]

justinh:

yes

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justinh:

mythrename.pl --link $dir will generate symbolic links within $dir to your recordings. the links will all have nice names

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Hilikus:

aw sweet

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Hilikus:

i love mythtv!

[05:35:12]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

lol. the people who just sit lurking in here & drop in a scurrilous comment from time to time are funny

[06:20:37]

** sphery wonders if lg123's comment about how he's using his FTA PVR to watch CNN, Fox (News), and MSNBC is admission of his talking about something that's disallowed on the lists... **

[06:21:02]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/354645#354645 (Notice, also, his quoting himself earlier saying FTA...)

[06:21:29]

justinh:

he's gone strangely quiet actually. I suspect the mailing list angel has been playing with the ml database

[06:21:52]

iamlindoro:

sphery, They ain't in the clear and you can't (legally) get Dish or DTV with his receiver, sooooo :)

[06:23:14]

justinh:

FTA, as it's often referred to in the USA seems like a euphemism

[06:23:28]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[06:23:46]

justinh:

yes there are free channels like NASA TV & a big clutch of religious & shopping channels but that's about your whack

[06:25:44]

wagnerrp:

you mean you dont have to pay to watch televangelists?

[06:25:52]

wagnerrp:

i guess they just get you to call in and pay

[06:25:58]

justinh:

wagnerrp: not til they hypnotise you

[06:26:09]

jduggan:

meh

[06:26:13]

jduggan:

you geeks

[06:26:15]

jduggan:

are still online

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wagnerrp:

ditto

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justinh:

what do you mean by still? I never leave IRC

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jduggan:

same people talkin when i left ~5hrs ago for bed =]

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justinh:

oops. I do but only to count to 100

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jduggan:

lol

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wagnerrp:

and youre back on irc, after only 5 hours

[06:27:00]

wagnerrp:

you just cant seem to stay away

[06:27:16]

jduggan:

wagnerrp: yea, in that time i migrated two customer servers between two datacenters

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justinh:

I've considered therapy but then what will take IRC's place?

[06:27:22]

jduggan:

which run a top 1000 ranked website

[06:27:25]

jduggan:

and got a cpl hours bed

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jduggan:

=]

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jduggan:

6am scheduled maintenance sucks

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jduggan:

=P

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justinh:

I was just getting out of bed at 6am. changed one more thing in my life

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jduggan:

heh

[06:28:17]

jduggan:

atleast i get to leave work at 3pm today

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justinh:

being down on my flexi sucks so I aim to start coming in early every day, leave at 3.30pm & still come out 30 minutes up per day

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jduggan:

im travelling back to the promise lands (wales) so i'll miss all the rush hour traffic this evening

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justinh:

wooo

[06:31:52]

justinh:

hmmm. energy saving lightbulbs £1 each at Tesco... or 5 for £0.40 ? meh

[06:34:52]

justinh:

does anybody happen to know if mythweb's sticky popups have been sorted yet?

[06:35:20]

justinh:

the info mouseover popups sometimes don't go away here :-\

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sphery:

That's what I thought (about the FTA). I think this time I'm sending an e-mail.

[06:38:33]

justinh:

pretty pointless. I think he's been barred from the ML

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sphery:

well, just in case... :)

[06:39:25]

justinh:

or maybe he just got bored with his diatribe already.. you never know :)

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FisherPrice:

Hello, I've reached a point of confusion again... I'm now concidering the ability to shut down my mythtv box.

[06:40:51]

sphery:

I still can't believe the "I've never run Myth, but I'm actually helping it's development" attitude. And, he was genuinely surprised when he was told Myth logs output...

[06:41:16]

FisherPrice:

but I'm not sure what's the best way

[06:41:23]

FisherPrice:

or even if i should do it

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sphery:

I thought Myth boxes only shut down when the power goes out... :)

[06:41:27]

FisherPrice:

any advice?

[06:41:33]

FisherPrice:

lol

[06:41:42]

FisherPrice:

possibly

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justinh:

FisherPrice: well, a timer plugged into the mains connection your backend uses is not a good way ;)

[06:41:43]

sphery:

mythwelcome and mythshutdown

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FisherPrice:

lol justinh

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wagnerrp:

i dare say that would be a clever solution to reducing power consumption

[06:42:19]

justinh:

nor would an X10 module be a good idea really, for much the same reason

[06:42:41]

sphery:

BTW, I know nothing about mythwelcome and mythshutdown other than they are the "approved" solution for automating shutdown and rebooting of Myth boxes.

[06:42:47]

FisherPrice:

kk, yeah, i found some nasty scripts while googlin git

[06:42:51]

FisherPrice:

kk

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justinh:

sphery: is mythwelcome absolutely necessary?

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sphery:

so I'm heading to bed and will leave you to learn about them. :)

[06:43:12]

sphery:

justinh: great, now you're going to make a liar out of me...

[06:43:16]

FisherPrice:

i didn't see the mythwelcome/shutdown in my plugin list

[06:43:24]

justinh:

sphery: naw I'm just wondering

[06:43:30]

FisherPrice:

i guess they are either new, or not in mythbuntu

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justinh:

FisherPrice: it's not strictly a plugin

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sphery:

AIUI, mythwelcome is required because as long as mythfrontend is running, the backend won't shutdown (assuming someone is using the frontend)

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FisherPrice:

oh

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sphery:

so you start mythwelcome and hit a button to start mfe when you want the frontend and exit mfe when you're done

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justinh:

apt-cache isn't showing mythwelcome here

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justinh:

(!)

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sphery:

(so, it seems I knew /one/ thing other than the fact that they were the approved solution :)

[06:44:37]

clev:

justinh: did you try apt-file?

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FisherPrice:

kk, I'll read up on it more

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sphery:

mythwelcome is part of the mythtv source distribution, but most packagers probably include it in the frontend package.

[06:44:54]

justinh:

clev: no

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clev:

justinh: its inside the mythtv-frontend package

[06:45:02]

justinh:

that's lame

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wagnerrp:

hah

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wagnerrp:

someone just replied to him on the whole cable news over FTA issue

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justinh:

bash: apt-file: command not found

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, that's me

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Gumby:

apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update

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clev:

justinh: you need to install it usign apt-get like Gumby just showed :P

[06:46:00]

justinh:

bleh

[06:46:03]

justinh:

can't be arsed

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sphery:

it's been bugging me since his first post, but I'm pirate-clueless, so I didn't know if he was actually violating netiquette...

[06:46:16]

Gumby:

lol apt-file is a great tool

[06:46:22]

justinh:

whatever

[06:46:37]

justinh:

ubuntu might be a great distro. I just use it cos it's there

[06:47:01]

wagnerrp:

i imagine there are very few people knowledgeable about satellite piracy

[06:47:11]

wagnerrp:

the cost of entry is rather high there

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sphery:

justinh: if it's installed, mythwelcome should be in the same bin dir as mythfrontend

[06:47:17]

** Gumby loves when people scoff at solutions to their problems, especially when those solutions are dead simple **

[06:47:25]

justinh:

wagnerrp: somebody in the US says FTA & we just assume they're pirates

[06:48:04]

justinh:

Gumby: I don't need anything like apt-file installed. if I needed to use it already I'd have it installed

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justinh:

I'm not installing software on my machine just to help somebody :P

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sphery:

wagnerrp: really? high cost of entry? So these people pay a lot of money up front to get equipment (that I'm sure they're constantly churning) so they don't have to pay a monthly bill to "the man"?

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justinh:

apt-file wouldn't have found it anyway. I don't use ubuntu's myth packages

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Gumby:

sphery: the equipment is that much.

[06:49:11]

justinh:

'FTA' gear is not expensive

[06:49:21]

Gumby:

is NOT that much

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Gumby:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i suppose it does come out cheaper after a few months

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sphery:

oh

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Gumby:

a fta receiver can be had for less than $100

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justinh:

like whenever people talk about Dreambox ... smell a rat there too

[06:49:52]

Gumby:

thats less than two months of satellite

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wagnerrp:

but most people would see that they have to buy several hundred dollars of equipment just to attempt it, and chicken out

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sphery:

oh, got it.

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justinh:

yes Dreambox has CI modules where you can put cards but take that in context. if in the USA it's not likely they're using that legitimately

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** Gumby has a broken dreambox :( **

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sphery:

yeah, CI modules in the US... That will be the day.

[06:50:54]

sphery:

I thought the dreambox was some sort of 1990's game console...

[06:51:03]

wagnerrp:

dreamcast

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justinh:

it might've been

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Gumby:

sphery: the CI interface can be used with legit smart cards

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sphery:

oh. I'm getting old. bad memory

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justinh:

dreambox is a linuxy satellite/cable/terrestrial STB :)

[06:51:39]

FisherPrice:

looking at the official page, it looks complicated

[06:51:41]

FisherPrice:

oh

[06:52:04]

justinh:

it's pretty damn good by all accounts – certainly better than the middleware-ridden boxes you get from providers generally. but that isn't the point

[06:52:04]

FisherPrice:

has anyone got mythgames working correctly

[06:52:15]

FisherPrice:

I've googled and googled, but nothing works

[06:52:21]

wagnerrp:

yes

[06:52:25]

wagnerrp:

or at least i used to

[06:52:43]

sphery:

Gumby: smart cards like DISH/DirecTV or do you mean CableCard cards?

[06:52:43]

wagnerrp:

havent touched in since my last machine almost 2 years ago

[06:52:45]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: and I bet you used legal games only too with it right :P

[06:52:53]

wagnerrp:

but i imagine the settings are all there

[06:52:56]

justinh:

I don't see the appeal of playing games on my telly. or is that I can't get at my telly long enough to get into a game? probly the latter

[06:53:01]

sphery:

Gumby: PySol ftw!

[06:53:04]

Gumby:

sphery: smart cards like dish/dtv/bell

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FisherPrice:

well, more to keep the kids busy :P

[06:53:16]

sphery:

Gumby: and those cards without modification?

[06:53:25]

Gumby:

sphery: yes

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justinh:

FisherPrice: Happy Tree Friends DVDs

[06:53:27]

FisherPrice:

meh

[06:53:30]

sphery:

interesting

[06:53:33]

wagnerrp:

Gumby: oh yeah! i wired up my own terminal to rip the roms off my (S)NES games... :P

[06:53:34]

FisherPrice:

im not too fussed.

[06:53:41]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: lol

[06:53:46]

FisherPrice:

would be nice though to have it working

[06:54:00]

justinh:

or Singalonga High School Musical for $CONSOLE :D

[06:54:17]

sphery:

Gumby: so why aren't more people doing that for Dish/DirecTV HDTV with Myth? Is there some service agreement violation or something?

[06:54:19]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: I do and dont see the difference between that and using a soft cam in myth

[06:54:58]

Gumby:

sphery: yes, its still considered illegal as the cards are legally not to be used outside their married receivers

[06:55:07]

sphery:

Oh.

[06:55:22]

FisherPrice:

lol

[06:55:24]

justinh:

**** ***s are a very grey area. Oh there's this software which lets you opt out of paying, or you can continue to pay.. hmm what shall I do?

[06:55:27]

FisherPrice:

looks intresting

[06:55:32]

Gumby:

here, let me sell you this car... but it can only be driven on roads that we say it can be driven on

[06:55:36]

wagnerrp:

the difference is that the softcam is screwing over content providers, actively trying to sell content, with the money to hire lawyers

[06:56:05]

wagnerrp:

while pirating 15+ yr old console games is just hurting another lowly consumer who might want to sell their copy

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: as I said, I do and I dont

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Gumby:

:)

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justinh:

I once had a dodgy cable box. I can honestly say I never used it to get channels I wasn't paying for but that's only cos there was nothing I wanted to watch on those channels

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sphery:

wagnerrp: but the industry keeps telling me that those 15+-yr-old games are hot items now because "people" are craving to buy them for their phones...

[06:57:13]

wagnerrp:

if they wanted to start selling me roms so i can play them on my computer, i might consider paying for them

[06:57:45]

sphery:

Of course, I got 2 "free" demo games on my latest phone--bejeweled that I could play for 30sec and snakes that I could play for 1 screen or something like that--and when they first asked me for money, I deleted the games.

[06:57:49]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: if they wanted to start selling me stbs that werent crippled I might consider using them

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Gumby:

hehe

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FisherPrice:

Oh, do you know how mythtv asks you if you want to really exit when you hit escape too many times?

[06:58:24]

FisherPrice:

is there a way to have a menu item there to shut down

[06:58:24]

FisherPrice:

?

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Dibblah:

FisherPrice: MythWelcome.

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FisherPrice:

oh

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Gumby:

FisherPrice: yes, mythbuntu has it by default so its possible. im just not sure where it gets it from

[06:59:29]

FisherPrice:

Gumby: i have used mythbuntu, but that option is not there... maybe i've deleted the shutdown command

[06:59:38]

Dibblah:

It's not dependent if it's Ubuntu – It's dependent if the frontend / backend are combined.

[06:59:39]

Gumby:

FisherPrice: thats unlikely

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Gumby:

Dibblah: ah

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sphery:

FisherPrice: "Customise exit menu options" in mythfrontend settings under the main general settings

[07:00:11]

FisherPrice:

ah

[07:00:13]

FisherPrice:

kk

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Gumby:

good to know... and makes sense. Ive only seen it when I first set up the box and hadnt yet connected it to my backend

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FisherPrice:

there's lots to this... more than i expected

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Gumby:

FisherPrice: why do you want the box to shutdown anyhow?

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justinh:

Gumby: why else but to save the trees!

[07:06:12]

justinh:

and electrickery

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sphery:

yeah, but just think how much longer it will take us to find SETI if everyone shuts down computers to save trees...

[07:07:23]

sphery:

s/SETI/ETI/

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Gumby:

how does shutting down a pc save trees?

[07:07:41]

justinh:

Gumby: it just DOES

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Gumby:

lol

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sphery:

ever hear of a wood-fired power plant?

[07:07:58]

Gumby:

well... to be honest.... no

[07:08:00]

wagnerrp:

i dare say running pcs longer saves trees

[07:08:01]

justinh:

don't question environmental ethis. EVER

[07:08:03]

justinh:

tree hater

[07:08:12]

wagnerrp:

more CO2 output, more trees

[07:08:32]

wagnerrp:

although i dont know if that would increase cloud cover, decreasing CO2 consumption...

[07:08:38]

Gumby:

how does PCs produce CO2?

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sphery:

did you know it takes 7 trees to process the amount of CO2 exhaled by an average human adult...

[07:08:59]

wagnerrp:

from coal and LNG plants

[07:09:02]

justinh:

sphery: I heard that the correlation was a myth

[07:09:11]

justinh:

never bothered to check up on that

[07:09:15]

sphery:

could be

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sphery:

guess I have to wait for a true scientific analysis--by MythBusters, of course

[07:09:39]

wagnerrp:

(in the US) only some ~40% of the power comes from something other than burning

[07:09:39]

Gumby:

wagnerrp: but how does running that PC more produce more CO2. The PC has already been built

[07:10:08]

wagnerrp:

so you using power causes more to get burned

[07:10:09]

sphery:

but it only uses electricity when it's running

[07:10:18]

justinh:

Gumby: because it uses power which is produced by greenhouse gas emitting processes

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sphery:

nuclear ftw!

[07:10:39]

justinh:

it's NOOKULAR

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justinh:

ffs

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Gumby:

I guess thats not really the case as much in canada. most of canadas power is hydro electric

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wagnerrp:

of course its consistent power, fed by more efficient mainline plants

[07:11:03]

wagnerrp:

s/mainline/baseline/

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sphery:

Gumby: so, think of the river's gravitational potential you're wasting

[07:11:44]

Gumby:

lol

[07:11:47]

sphery:

save the rivers, shut down Myth!

[07:11:51]

Gumby:

hehe

[07:12:02]

justinh:

shave the beavers!

[07:12:08]

wagnerrp:

your daming up rivers, destroying the local ecosystems

[07:12:09]

justinh:

erm.. SAVE I mean

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sphery:

hey, if it's good for the beavers...

[07:12:37]

wagnerrp:

we should bomb your dams, return the areas to how they used to be!

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sphery:

the dams, that is

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Gumby:

there is actually enough power to be drawn from the oceans tide to support coastal cities and more. But most places refuse to implement such a system

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wagnerrp:

dam beavers...

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** Gumby hates pie charts that dont have % also listed **

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wagnerrp:

oh theres an idea! pull power out of tidal flows!

[07:13:53]

sphery:

think of the problems it would cause when doing laundry with an electric washing machine... Make sure you use the Tide when washing. Duh? How else would I get electricity...

[07:13:57]

justinh:

if a PC could be powered by a user sighing, linux machines will have no problem

[07:14:20]

wagnerrp:

youre drawing energy from the circulation of the moon! youll cause its orbit to decay! instant doomsday!!!

[07:15:50]

Dibblah:

Most 'tidal' energy plans are not tidal.

[07:15:56]

** justinh puts another user on the fire **

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Dibblah:

They rely on wind power.

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wagnerrp:

i didnt actually know there was such a thing as tidal wind

[07:16:47]

Dibblah:

ie it's waves, not tides, since it's much easier to draw power from a high-frequency, low differential source than a low frequency one.

[07:18:36]

wagnerrp:

whats wrong with just using impellers?

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Gumby:

Dibblah: the future as far as tidal power plants go will use marine currents not waves

[07:19:21]

Dibblah:

Nothing at all – If you can dam a large enough tidal basin.

[07:19:34]

Dibblah:

However, people seem attached to their ports for some reason.

[07:19:57]

** Gumby thinks its bedtime. gnight **

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wagnerrp:

a port effectively is dammed

[07:20:09]

wagnerrp:

thats what makes it a port

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** Dibblah wishes it was bedtime :( **

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** justinh wishes it was Friday **

[07:20:27]

Dibblah:

No, there's a big hole in the dam. That's what makes it a port.

[07:20:30]

justinh:

YES! It IS Friday :D

[07:20:31]

wagnerrp:

its a large settling tank, with relatively small inlet from the ocean

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wagnerrp:

so you get high flow through that channel

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Dibblah:

Which means that you would have much less water passing through the turbines...

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to capture ALL the energy

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Dibblah:

Since it'll tend to pass through the less resistive open water above.

[07:21:09]

** justinh would like to know how paying more taxes helps the planet though **

[07:21:30]

Dibblah:

Because it helps the rich people get richer.

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

for instance, take the chesapeake bay bridge

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wagnerrp:

suspend impellers and generators in between the bridge supports

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justinh:

some people here are obviously in the wrong job

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wagnerrp:

the structure is already in place (assuming the supports can handle the lateral load)

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justinh:

they should be civil engineers, planners & politicians already

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Dibblah:

Noone who should be a politician wants to be.

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justinh:

hear hear hear hear

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wagnerrp:

justinh: my field has a saying... 'Civil engineers build targets'

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Dibblah:

Which is a good summary of the issue with a 'democracy'.

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hachi:

anybody awake at this hour use WoL events to wake up slaves?

[07:27:06]

wagnerrp:

hachi: ive attempted it

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wagnerrp:

although ive never gotten WoL to work to my satisfaction, so i never got past that step

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hachi:

I can't even find how you're supposed to do it

[07:27:52]

hachi:

the WoL docs in mythtv are all about how to get WoL working with your nic

[07:28:00]

hachi:

nothing I can find is about the settings in mythtv to do it

[07:28:02]

hachi:

I see them

[07:28:21]

hachi:

but nothing has the theory of operation

[07:28:39]

justinh:

sounds like an enterprise d00m3d to phail!

[07:29:13]

justinh:

some NICs don't get shut down properly & hang in a weird state upon shutdown from linux and end up un-wakeup-able

[07:29:28]

hachi:

I know it works fine on mine

[07:29:33]

hachi:

I've been doing it for a while now

[07:30:03]

hachi:

I just don't see how mythtv calls scripts to say which backend to wake up

[07:30:27]

hachi:

or how I can shutdown one backend, but not the master

[07:31:10]

justinh:

each backend has an inactivity timeout thingy you can use to shut itself down

[07:31:29]

justinh:

but it'll only shut down if mythfrontend isn't connected to it

[07:31:42]

hachi:

that's fine by me

[07:32:05]

hachi:

but the thing is

[07:32:14]

hachi:

the idle timeout in the mythtv-setup interface

[07:32:20]

hachi:

the only one I can find like the thing you're saying

[07:32:35]

hachi:

specifically says "The amount of time the master backend idles before it shuts down all backends"

[07:32:40]

hachi:

well, problem there

[07:32:55]

hachi:

I want to watch the idling of a particilar machine, and only shut down that one

[07:33:03]

hachi:

this setting appears to apply only to the whole cluster

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justinh:

maybe that's all you can do

[07:34:19]

hachi:

maybe

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hachi:

wish I could know that for certain :)

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justinh:

I'd say it's pretty certain if the help text for the idle timer says that

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laga:

i think it can only shut down all backends

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justinh:

it might not be hard to change it to do otherwise but I wouldn't be bothered

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laga:

i *think* there was a patch

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laga:

but i'm not sure

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justinh:

or maye not. extending the protocol... yada yada

[07:36:58]

justinh:

ugh

[07:37:18]

justinh:

damn tree huggers. you'll be the death of me

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hachi:

the protocol is frozen?

[07:37:59]

** Gumby forgot a question he was going to ask. Is there a way for me to tell mythtv to record in HD if there is a show that is in both HD and SD? **

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

Gumby: yes

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justinh:

set the scheduler to prefer HD recordings

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hachi:

I want to know the answer to this too, I remember seeing a page about that exact thing

[07:38:35]

hachi:

but I haven't been able to find it again

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justinh:

see the recording priorities page :)

[07:39:04]

Gumby:

ah ok. I am just looking in mythweb right now and didnt see it. thanks

[07:41:21]

justinh:

no patches on the mailing lists

[07:41:25]

justinh:

checking trac now

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Gumby:

justinh: in is available when using a power search as well?

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hachi:

my HD channels are still wedged into thinking that every one is VH1 :\

[07:42:00]

justinh:

Gumby: if you set myth to always prefer HD, yes

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Gumby:

hrm, I'm not seeing that option.

[07:42:21]

** Gumby continues looking **

[07:42:28]

justinh:

hachi: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5210

[07:42:40]

wylie:

anyone have mythtube working with trunk?

[07:42:50]

justinh:

wylie: it'll ONLY work with trunk

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wylie:

hrmmm. must be me, but having problems getting it to build

[07:43:23]

wylie:

[against trunk]

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justinh:

I think it's still using qt3. not sure

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hachi:

justinh: hmmm, I'll try to get this on trunk myself

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justinh:

hachi: it won't work on trunk yet. the patch is against a -fixes build

[07:44:47]

hachi:

yes

[07:44:50]

hachi:

I read that

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hachi:

I'll try to get it on trunk

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justinh:

oh you'll try & fix it for trunk? cool

[07:45:23]

justinh:

we need more of this 'can do' attitude :)

[07:45:37]

hachi:

you need less attitude and more 'do' anyways

[07:45:45]

justinh:

me?

[07:45:48]

hachi:

no

[07:45:52]

hachi:

I'm talkinga bout me

[07:46:10]

hachi:

the way I have to deal with myself is usually "shut up and just do it"

[07:46:16]

justinh:

never thought you had an additude.. not in a bad way :)

[07:46:16]

hachi:

:)

[07:47:15]

hachi:

does mythweb have any existing way to disallow 'changes' without auth or something

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hachi:

I'd love to post links to my TV listings, but not allow people to click and modify things :)

[07:47:32]

wagnerrp:

not built in, no

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wagnerrp:

its assumed youll set up auth from within apache

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hachi:

well, yes

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hachi:

but authz I mean

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hachi:

authen, yeah... I'll use LDAP for that

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wagnerrp:

currently, its all or nothing with mythweb

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wagnerrp:

full access or none

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hachi:

I suppose I could block POST to stop a bit of it :\

[07:49:14]

hachi:

not really security though

[07:49:25]

wagnerrp:

considering mythfrontend is the same way, i wouldnt expect this to change

[07:49:26]

justinh:

Gumby: 1st page of utils/setup > setup > TV settings > recording priorities

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justinh:

'HDTV recording priority'.. crank that up & myth should always prefer HD

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hachi:

how can I flush the TV listings to reload from scratch?

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justinh:

--refresh-all IIRC

[07:50:04]

hachi:

oh, option on mythfill, okay

[07:50:22]

justinh:

Gumby: 1st page of utils/setup > setup > TV settings > recording priorities > set recording priority. Oops

[07:50:29]

Gumby:

justinh: yeah, took me awhile but I found it. thanks for the info though

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hachi:

is a 'sourceid' an xmlid for the channel, or the name/number of an input source?

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justinh:

ruh? gawd my wife has been using my email address for her online orders again

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justinh:

hachi: number of an input source

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Cougar:

does she use your credit card number too? ;-)

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justinh:

xmltvid is the xmltvid. funny, that :P

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justinh:

Cougar: nope

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justinh:

I don't have a credit card

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Anduin:

hachi: sourceid = number associated with a "Video Source"

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hachi:

dang, it doesn't like me

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hachi:

I'll tackle that later

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SteveH0:

I'm setting up Mythbuntu for the first time on a new machine, and it appears

[07:53:58]

SteveH0:

+to be working, EXCEPT I am constantly getting "Too many video packets in the

[07:53:58]

SteveH0:

+buffer: nnn in nnnnnnnnn bytes". Does that ring a bell with anyone?

[07:54:44]

SteveH0:

I'm runnig on Ubuntu 8.05, directly from the system to a monitor, although I wantr to go to a screen soon.

[07:54:47]

** justinh points at the #ubuntu-mythtv channel that-a-way <<<< **

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wagnerrp:

type of card?

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SteveH0:

HDHomerun

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justinh:

just send ubuntu stuff to #ubuntu-mythtv. it's their fault

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SteveH0:

Justin, just what is THIS chan for, then??

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justinh:

this channel is for non-ubuntu mythtv related issues

[07:56:07]

justinh:

ubuntu got their own channel. let them deal :)

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SteveH0:

This is happening when I am playing a recording that I made earlier.

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wagnerrp:

basically, (myth/u)buntu does all sorts of weird shit to automate setup and management

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justinh:

is playback okay though?

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justinh:

I mean does it look smooth & is the audio in sync etc?

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SteveH0:

No, playback is where I am getting the errors.

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wagnerrp:

so unless you use (myth/u)buntu, you often have no clue what people are talking about when they ask for help with it

[07:57:18]

wagnerrp:

livetv? or recorded playback?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: like mythtv-setup not taking commandline options f'instance :P

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justinh:

livetv == recording. same playback process, give or take

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SteveH0:

Thanks anyway. Wagner, you at least took a swipe at it.

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

some people just don't want to be helped :D

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wagnerrp:

i was just asking the typical questions

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wagnerrp:

i have no clue anything about the HDHR

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justinh:

it was a playback problem anyway

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wagnerrp:

ah, he did say old recording didnt he

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hachi:

what the devil

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hachi:

uhhh

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hachi:

my mythweb just switched to being in... italian?

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hachi:

I can't read it very well

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hachi:

Català

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Dibblah:

hachi: mythweb/settings

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hachi:

oh, I got it back

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Dibblah:

The language is the 3rd drop box.

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hachi:

but... anyone know why it happened?

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justinh:

slip of the mouse?

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hachi:

unlikely... though possible

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hachi:

I was only intenting to query for known issues

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hachi:

"oh, it does that when you screw up a cookie" or something goofy like that

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hachi:

okay, I scanned with my HD card, got a ton of channels and subchannels... but the system believes that my channels for say PBS are all part of VH1 subchannels

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hachi:

so the programming on VH1 is assigned to all of my PBS channels

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hachi:

I renumbered them from being like... 127#1, to be channel 155 or 156, or whatever it's supposed to be

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hachi:

set the callsign, and updated the xmltv id

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hachi:

all in the channel editor

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hachi:

I've also done a mythfilldatabse --refresh-all

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hachi:

it still thinks all of my HD channels are the wrong things

[08:37:18]

hachi:

anyone know how I figure this out?

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hachi:

I'm having a hard time even figuring out what channel NUMBER these things are supposed to be

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Anduin:

hachi: If you set the xmltvid a --do-channel-updates will relabel everything (though a refresh-all should have fixed everything being VH1 if the xmltvids were correct)

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sjkwiard:

hi! I've installed mythtv but when I try to watch live tv the audio is bad, I hear "little" voice and the video is not fluid, I tryed different options but the result is the same...how can I try to fix this problem? In the new versin of mythtv there is the PROFILE configuration that I can't understand how to configure...

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sam__:

anyone have any idea about where I could find information about getting xorg to not bind to my i2c remote? Google is hard, apparently.

[10:32:39]

justinh:

getting xorg to WHIT?

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justinh:

do you mean simulate a mouse with your remote – i.e. move the mouse pointer with arrow buttons?

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sjkwiard:

sjkwiard: hi! I've installed mythtv but when I try to watch live tv the audio is bad, I hear "little" voice and the video is not fluid, I tryed different options but the result is the same...how can I try to fix this problem? In the new versin of mythtv there is the PROFILE configuration that I can't understand how to configure...

[10:33:58]

justinh:

sjkwiard: try the wiki

[10:34:15]

sjkwiard:

already tryed

[10:34:17]

justinh:

or maybe your system is lacking in CPU grunt

[10:34:33]

sjkwiard:

what does it mean?

[10:35:06]

justinh:

maybe your system is too slow

[10:35:10]

sjkwiard:

no

[10:35:25]

justinh:

maybe your video drivers lack Xv acceleration. that's Xv

[10:35:26]

sjkwiard:

beacuse I formatted my pc some days ago

[10:35:32]

justinh:

what?

[10:35:36]

sjkwiard:

and before it mythtv worked good

[10:35:56]

justinh:

right. you didn't say that you've had it working before

[10:36:02]

justinh:

more information helps people to help you

[10:36:06]

justinh:

we can't read your mind

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sam__:

My DVB card has a remote that lirc interfaces using dev/input. Once I start X, the server thinks that it controls it and suddenly lirc can't talk to it anymore.

[10:36:54]

justinh:

sam__: sounds like a job for udev

[10:37:14]

sam__:

in what way? I don't know a whole lot about udev.

[10:37:42]

justinh:

are there any howto guides for that remote which mentino this problem you're having?

[10:37:55]

justinh:

*mention

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sam__:

Not that I've been able to find.

[10:38:32]

sam__:

I thought I had something by telling the mouse section of xorg.conf to not use /dev/input/mice, but that didn't work either.

[10:40:26]

justinh:

I've never heard of such an issue

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sjkwiard:

justinh:right, but what kind of information do you need now to help me?

[10:41:01]

justinh:

sjkwiard: so when you reinstalled the machine did you remember to do everything you'd done previously when you had it working? like, say installing drivers for your VGA card etc? ;)

[10:41:21]

justinh:

what have you done differently this time sjkwiard ?

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sjkwiard:

justinh:i just installed ubuntu and before I was using kubuntu and no particular drivers or similar

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justinh:

no matter. check the output of mythfrontend -v playback – it'll tell you if you have Xv working or not

[10:42:19]

justinh:

if you have a nvidia card & haven't installed the binary nvidia drivers, you won't have Xv working

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sjkwiard:

justinh:excatly i don't know because mythtv have problem any time that I try to install it!

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justinh:

if you have an ATI card, even if you installed their binary drivers you may not have Xv working. That's the luck of the draw with their drivers

[10:43:05]

justinh:

sjkwiard: you said you'd had it working fine before you formatted the machine

[10:43:06]

sjkwiard:

but I just installed it, and I changed the audio source from /dev/dsp to /dev/dsp1

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sjkwiard:

yes

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justinh:

I quit

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** justinh wonders if it'd be safe to have a web-facing wordpress blog on the same server as mythtv's mysql server **

[12:31:04]

justinh:

ach to hell with it. safety first

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jduggan:

not if you value yoru mysql server

[12:31:34]

justinh:

figured as much

[12:32:04]

justinh:

CBA with VMs or owt like that, so I'll just set up a regular webby one

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laga:

what are you gonna blog about?

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jduggan:

life

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justinh:

I'm not

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justinh:

ahem., not strictly true

[12:36:21]

justinh:

but nothing that concerns anybody here :)

[12:37:49]

gpd:

Where to I set my 'mythtv' user account login to start mythtv and use a lightweight window manger. right now it seems to be logging in to a gnome-session.

[12:38:39]

laga:

gpd: ubuntu?

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gpd:

laga: yes, 8.04.

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gpd:

my drive died – so i have an old copy of /home/mythtv – not sure why it is doing this

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laga:

you can use mythbuntu-control-centre to modify autostart

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laga:

or you could just mangle the gdm config yourself

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gpd:

does the gdm config specify the window manager and start programs then? it is automatically logging in as mythtv user – but that user brings up a default gnome desktop.

[12:42:04]

laga:

oh.

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laga:

no, gdm only handles auto login – and the session.

[12:42:49]

laga:

so you can tell gdm to start the mythbuntu session if you have that installed

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laga:

which will launch xfce + mythtv

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gpd:

ok — so to tell it to run mythbuntu session – is that in /etc/gdm – or should i run the mythbuntu-control-centre to do that?

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laga:

i'd suggest mythbuntu-control-centre

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laga:

i think the session is stored in ~/.dmrc, but MCC will set that up for you

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gpd:

ok — well i set it in the control centre to be automatic and as user gpd (says don't use mythtv) but now it logs in as me in an XFCE desktop – but doesn't run mythfrontend... weird. rebooting to see if 'magic' happens

[12:55:07]

gpd:

nope – reboots to same XFCE session – with no mythtv running :(

[12:55:41]

gpd:

i have no .dmrc in either /home/gpd or /home/mythtv

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gpd:

ok – now i have a .dmrc file with mythbuntu as the session – but that sesssion just logs in without running frontend. crap.

[13:05:24]

zappolot:

hi

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zappolot:

i have mythtv backend on a server and a frontend on a notebook but i dont get it running, when i click TV in frontend the mythfronted application just stops

[13:06:56]

zappolot:

log doesnt say anything

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justinh:

yeah right

[13:07:29]

justinh:

you've not set up mythtv-setup correctly I'll bet

[13:07:50]

justinh:

or do you mean crashes when you say 'just stops'

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justinh:

???

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justinh:

explain

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zappolot:

the window just closes, i also tried mythbuntu live cd, this works fine, and i have exaclty the same settings in my frontend on notebook

[13:08:56]

zappolot:

i think you need a logfile?

[13:09:24]

justinh:

it's unusual for mythfrontend just to quit without any error messages

[13:09:25]

sphery:

zappolot: any message in the end of the log file about a missing HOME environment variable or anything?

[13:10:04]

sphery:

that would be the frontend log

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zappolot:

no nothing, just "segmantation fault"

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justinh:

sphery: no logfile available

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justinh:

run mythfrontend from a terminal

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sphery:

that's the crash justinh was talking about

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justinh:

segmentation fault is NOT NOTHING

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justinh:

it's a segmentation fault :)

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sphery:

zappolot: what distro

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zappolot:

ok u r right, sorry, but it didnt mean anything to me

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justinh:

heh well let folks here be the judge of that ;)

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zappolot:

distro is ubuntu 8.04, mythfrontend is 0.21

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zappolot:

backend is lunar-linux with mythtv 0.21

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** sphery wonders if it's the OpenGL crash on Ubuntu **

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sphery:

what video card/drivers?

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justinh:

gdb backtraces mean nothing to me either but that doesn't mean they're not relevant ;)

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zappolot:

where can i see that

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zappolot:

drivers i mean

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sphery:

what video card, at least?

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justinh:

try running mythfrontend with the -O ThemePainter=qt option

[13:13:08]

justinh:

and if the mythbuntu livecd is working fine on there.. er.. hrm..

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zappolot:

did stop either, but only if i click tv, setting for example i can click

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justinh:

eh?

[13:14:36]

zappolot:

with the option it stops also if i click tv

[13:14:46]

justinh:

ah

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zappolot:

ok, what should we do, do you want to have a log output first

[13:15:00]

justinh:

do you have stupid compiz-fusion enabled?

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sphery:

good question...

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zappolot:

no, of course not, its enlightenment e17

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justinh:

!

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justinh:

probably worse still

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zappolot:

maybe i should try in gnome window manager?

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justinh:

I suspect that's the cause of the problem

[13:16:03]

justinh:

try it on a desktop environment which does not have all the silly effects ;)

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zappolot:

ok, i try the other windowmanager, i ll be back in a minute

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justinh:

first time I've ever seen evidence people use e17

[13:16:54]

justinh:

it sure looks purdy though

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sphery:

:). One of the graphics guys who did lots on e17 used to work on the Openmoko phone software.

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zappolot:

hi, its the same problem

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jduggan:

i was waiting for e17 since like 2001

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jduggan:

i gave up

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jduggan:

=]

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zappolot:

ok, logfile?

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sphery:

now which video card?

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zappolot:

sorry, where can i see that

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sphery:

don't know. Generally I just know.

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sphery:

I'd guess, though, it's probably your video card drivers causing issues (i.e. not installed correctly or not the right ones).

[13:20:12]

zappolot:

it s a ati radeon

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sphery:

assuming it's a new radeon, you probably want fglrx drivers (ATI proprietary drivers)

[13:21:23]

zappolot:

you mean i have to use them, otherwise it wont work?

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sphery:

can probably find out if there in use in that dialog that lists proprietary drivers... (I don't remember how to get the dialog.)

[13:22:02]

sphery:

It may be possible to use the FLOSS drivers, but it's probably significantly more work.

[13:22:29]

zappolot:

i can enable the ati proprietary driver in the ubuntu settings, let me try

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sphery:

though I haven't used an ATI card in a myth box, yet (will be switching when I do my next major software upgrade)

[13:23:42]

sphery:

Used to be that NVIDIA was the way to go. Now, it seems that (current) ATI cards are a better choice for Linux/Myth.

[13:24:56]

zappolot:

ok but again, i can start frontend, it only if i click tv?!

[13:26:36]

zappolot:

let my play around with the graphic drivers, if it doesnt work, i ll be back later

[13:26:41]

zappolot:

thanks guys

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sphery:

zappolot: I'd need http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 to be of more help (but I have to get going for now--I'd see a link to a backtrace if you put my nick in the line). The MythTV debug symbols are an important part (Ubuntu has them available as a package). You may also need to use the debug symbol package for libc...

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sphery:

(gotta go, so can't wait for him to come back :)

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zapppolot:

hi i am back and i have to thank you, it works now, at least in gnome, in enlightenment it does no stop anymore but i only see black screen with green and pink stuff

[13:36:56]

zapppolot:

i can live with that first

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zapppolot:

my other problem is sound, i have a pinnacle tv card which does not "forward" the audio – as far as i understood – i just have a small cable from "tv-card audio out" to "soundcard line in"

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zapppolot:

i just have no sound in frontend

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zapppolot:

the backend soundcard is a teratec card and it works fine (i tried mocp mp3 player)

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fuxxy:

do LCD TV's connected via VGA or DVI > HDMI have DPMS?

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zapppolot:

i am using ALSA so i entered /dev/snd/pcmC0D0c as audiodevice in mythtv-setup (tv-card). in mythbackend log i am getting NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: Could not detect audio blocksize

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zapppolot:

and NVR(/dev/v4l/video0) Error: AudioInit(): /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p : error setting audio input device to 32000kHz/16bits/2channel

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zapppolot:

any suggestions?

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ll2:

hi there

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ll2:

perhaps a old issue... but i couldnt find a good reference (not a actual one)

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ll2:

but, i have a issue with subtitles being in the middle of screen

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ll2:

on dvb channels

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ll2:

is there a way to configure a kind of offset to them?

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zapppolot:

hi squidly, tv works now at least with gnome windo manager

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stoth:

iamlindoro: my firewire sniffing tool arrived.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

fuxxy: Computer monitors always do, but not sure about TVs – I think usually they do, but you'd have to test it... You might just get a blue screen or a 'no signal' message...

[14:10:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: Is that a standalone unit, or a card/adapter with software for a pc? ;-)

[14:11:21]

stoth:

it's an old mac

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: So is it all software based? ;-) I have an old mac I could use if that's the case! ;-)

[14:12:05]

stoth:

Only a few of them have promiscious firewire chipsets.

[14:12:12]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

(of course, I don't have a firewire source to test it with...)

[14:12:17]

stoth:

that was the cheapest option.

[14:12:44]

stoth:

or rent a dedicated unit for $3.5k a month

[14:13:13]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Is there a list posted somewhere of the specific models?

[14:13:22]

stoth:

You need a blue & white g3.

[14:13:34]

stoth:

(tower)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: Ugh, I was excited for a minute there... I have an old iMac G3 blue & white/clear... Humm.... I wonder...

[14:14:36]

stoth:

it might be in other units of that era, I know the towers have it for sure.

[14:14:39]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think that iMac has firewire... it was the low-end one at the time...

[14:14:47]

stoth:

It's a _REALLY_ useful device to have in the toolchest.

[14:15:06]

stoth:

especially when I'm trying to debug STB / myth issues.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: Yeah... I can imagine. I once used a serial sniffer to reverse-engineer a Tandem 6530 Terminal protocol to write an emulator on my Amiga... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A|work has a few more grey hairs pop out as he remembers that was 18 years ago... yikes... **

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Lunar_Lamp:

I'm fairly sure that the TV card I want is Hauppauge WinTV Nova-T 500, however, I just want to check one thing. Does it do widescreen recordings? I had a rather old card that could only deal with 4:3 recording, which annoyed me.

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stoth:

nova-t-500 is a digital card, aspect ratios are not effected.

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Lunar_Lamp:

Righteo, that's good and fine by me then :-)

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justinh:

Lunar_Lamp: the aspect ratio is decided by the recorder with analogue tuners

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justinh:

with digital tuners you get what you're given by the broadcaster

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Lunar_Lamp:

OK justinh, thanks :-)

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justinh:

so your tuner card you used before was capable of doing 'wide' recording – maybe not detecting the WSS switching flag in the VBI but still ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: Is FireBug the software, or is there something newer/better?

[14:32:41]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: Ugh... there's 'new' software with the same name, makes googling difficult... DOH!

[14:33:33]

stoth:

Firebug is the snoop app, it ships in apples firewire SDK, along with some other _really_ useful debug tools.

[14:33:43]

stoth:

documentation sucks for it btw.

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rodimus:

ooh, firebug... very fun to play with...

[14:36:24]

rodimus:

its to be thanked for revealing the bug in the new linux firewire driver stack that was causing prolific bridge sbp2 devices to stall out on I/O

[14:36:51]

rodimus:

just wish I could find a pcilynx chipset cardbus card

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stoth:

rodimus: Finding a card is impossible, easier to find a mac with the chip in it.

[14:37:52]

rodimus:

yep, I know

[14:38:02]

rodimus:

er, finding a cardbus card is impossible

[14:38:08]

rodimus:

I have two or three PCI cards

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rodimus:

UniBrain makes one still

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: One of the links I saw noted the "PCI Lynx-2" chipset that is a promiscious firewire chipset... I found a card online for like $250... yikes..

[14:38:38]

rodimus:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yep, that'd be the one

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stoth:

yeah, and it's sold out years ago.

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rodimus:

or you can get an old blue and white g3, those have a pcilynx iirc

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stoth:

rodimus: That's what we're talking about.

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** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders if he's got a PCI Lynx-2 chipeset firewire card in his parts bin... ;-) **

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rodimus:

I thought one could still purchase those cards somewhere...

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** rodimus is late to the party **

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** stoth hands rodimus a scotch on the rocks **

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rodimus:

stoth: played with krh's linux sniffer at all? (snoop, iirc)

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rodimus:

mmm... scotch...

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rodimus:

its... useful, but I do like firebug quite a bit better

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: These guys show it for $249.00 – doesn't say 'not available' or 'sold out' ... http://www.1394store.com/eshop/product.asp?de . . . p;pf_id=1701

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rodimus:

I think that might actually be where the ones I've got came from

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stoth:

hmm. $249 vs $100, tough choice.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

stoth: ha! ;-) Yeah, that's the choice I would have made too...

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rodimus:

well, "an entire additional machine" vs. "a card I can put in a box I already have" as well

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stoth:

that's fair.

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rodimus:

iamlindoro: for when you get vertical... yeah, there's a bit of tearing on high-motion scenes the x3100 in my hybrid. :\

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stoth:

Anyone tried a mythfrontend with the new dell G45 chipset machines? Do they perform well for HD?

[14:49:38]

stoth:

(GMA X4500HD graphics)

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rodimus:

I think I heard someone say to stay away from them for the moment, still slightly too new, not quite behaving

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rodimus:

I was eying a thinkpad t500 w/x4500hd... can't justify spending $1k+ to replace a not-even-year-old t61 though

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stoth:

t61 is a tablet, right?

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rodimus:

no, that's the x series

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stoth:

ahh, my bad

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rodimus:

t61 is either a 14" or 15.4" widescreen

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rodimus:

t500 is essentially the t61 replacement, lenovo decided to change their model number scheme

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szakulec:

for anyone that has converted VHS tapes to digital, how did you do it, and how did it turn out? (I'd like to bring my tapes into Myth, so I can have them all in Mythvideo)

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justinh:

used a DV camcorder, set the camcorder to accept AV input, captured the firewire output from the camcorder to DV format. Turned the DV format video into nice xvids & mpeg2 for DVD :)

[15:37:02]

justinh:

no messing about with mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

szakulec: First off, MythTV doesn't offer the 'ad-hoc' type of recoring you're thinking of doing, and 2nd off, commercial vhs movie tapes are usually protected with Macrovision, and thus would not work.

[15:37:46]

justinh:

and what J-e-f-f-A|work said

[15:38:31]

justinh:

if you have a PVR card, stop mythbackend and just do cat /dev/video0 > $file.mpg

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justinh:

way less hassle

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

szakulec: But if they're your 'home videos' and such, you could import them with a 'manual' process, IE: if you have a hardware card ^^^ yeah, like justinh says... ;-)

[15:39:39]

justinh:

and if you're thinking about digitising movie VHS, forget about it. replacing em with DVD will always be cheaper in terms of your own time

[15:40:34]

justinh:

capture VHS. check capture isn't bad – that means watch it all the way through, so one hour of tape has already taken you two hours. then messing about converting the recordings... oof

[15:41:07]

justinh:

fine for home video – irreplacable home movies. not for movies

[15:41:35]

justinh:

and if you have a lot of tapes to do consider using a conversion house to make DVDs out of them, then just rip the DVDs

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szakulec:

so any suggestions for my video tapes that never got re-released on DVD? (mostly documentaries and such)

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

you're stuck

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szakulec:

thanks

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

szakulec: You may luck out, they may not have macrovision...

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justinh:

if they're fringe conspiracy type documentaries chances are they don't

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justinh:

it costs $$$$

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justinh:

in which case just connect your VCR's composite video & audio connections to your PC via the tuner card & grab away. assuming you have a PVR card

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szakulec:

I do- a pvr250

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justinh:

so don't run mythbackend & just cat /dev/video0 to a file

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justinh:

after setting the card to use the correct input of course with either v4l2ctl or ivtvctl – depending on the ivtv version you've got there

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justinh:

child's play really

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szakulec:

glad to hear it

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szakulec:

so you taped your tapes, and dumped that to the hard drive?

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justinh:

I did that the 1st time but then I found that the camcorder passed the video input through to the firewire output

[15:45:54]

justinh:

so then I just grabbed the firewire on the PC

[15:46:11]

justinh:

basically just used the camcorder as a video to firewire converter :)

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justinh:

best quality capture I'd ever seen

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justinh:

anyhoo – time to take ma doggy walkies

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JEDIDIAH_:

I thought the PVR series cards didn't enforce macrovision...

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JEDIDIAH_:

my original VHS copy of STARWARS is old enough that it doesn't have any macrovision on it.

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jams:

before it get's to that point, please no discussion on how to get around macrovision

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** JEDIDIAH_ thought it was a simple matter of plugging into a PVR-150 card... '-) **

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JEDIDIAH_:

any idea when the non-dev versions of mplayer/xine and such won't freak out over h264 interlacing?

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szakulec:

have you tried building one from source?

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JEDIDIAH_:

that's why I'm asking

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szakulec:

I think it mostly handles anything now, but if you find something that doesn't play, please send a sample & bugreport so it can be fixed

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JEDIDIAH_:

I'll keep that in mind.

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sphery:

Heh... A HDD failed. Got a 1.5TB to add to my Myth box after moving a 750GB from backend to frontend and moving frontend's 200GB to replace the failed HDD. Moved recordings from the 750GB then left for a business trip. Came back, booted the frontend, and the 750 had failed...

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sphery:

Good luck (a HDD failure caused me to move a Myth recordings drive that was about to fail) or bad (2 HDD failures in a span of a week?

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dustybin:

I NEED MOARRRR HERTZZZZ encoding takes bloody ages

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dustybin:

i thought i would encode 3 films at the same time, but i got the feeling its taking 3x as long as if i was doing 1

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sphery:

dustybin: could even be longer than 3x longer because of I/O and/or context switching...

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dustybin:

right ok

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sphery:

don't know that it actually is, just saying

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dustybin:

im going to make use of my powermac :)

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dustybin:

macbook pro

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zubsss:

hello, i don't know if this makes sense: i've a pc with mythtv (server and client) connected to a crt tv and also to a stereo system. Is it possible to "remote control" the mythtv server from another PC and get the content to the tv and/or the stereo?

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quicksilver:

IF I asked you to guess, would you expect that DVB-T2 linux cards will one day exist?

[16:54:26]

quicksilver:

or would you guess they will have some kind of encrippledness.

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quicksilver:

zubsss: I think the answer is yes. I'm not quite sure which part of that is the question.

[16:55:06]

quicksilver:

zubsss: surely your content is alread on your TV?

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at0m|c:

zubsss, indeed, that's how the backend/frontends work

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zubsss:

i want to control the mythtv server pc with another pc, as the mythtv server has not a good screen

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quicksilver:

you can do this, yes.

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zubsss:

(in order to just hear music not having to turn on the crt, for example)

[16:58:14]

quicksilver:

you can run a separate frontend.

[16:58:40]

quicksilver:

btu I still don't understand why you seem to need two pcs at all?

[16:58:53]

quicksilver:

if you're not going to switch on the TV, what does it matter how good the screen is?

[16:59:12]

zubsss:

i understood that if i run a separate frontend in another pc, the content would be played on that another pc

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at0m|c:

zubsss, just set up mythfrontend on the frontend/tv pc to connect to the server and set up /etc/exports (server-side) and /etc/fstab (frontend) so the file paths are identical on both machines

[17:00:00]

at0m|c:

i'm pretty sure the wiki explains all that

[17:01:49]

quicksilver:

zubsss: yes. Why are you trying to display the UI on a different PC from the content?

[17:01:54]

quicksilver:

I cna't understand your requirement.

[17:01:59]

quicksilver:

It may be that the answer is mythweb.

[17:02:04]

quicksilver:

but I don't understand the question.

[17:02:40]

zubsss:

the mythtv server pc connected to the tv and stereo has no input devices attached right now, just the ethernet cable, i cant control the mythfront on it

[17:03:11]

iamlindoro_:

Yay free GPUs

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zubsss: so hook up a keyboard or get a remote control...

[17:03:14]

zubsss:

except on telnet :-)

[17:03:21]

quicksilver:

zubsss: well the traditional solution is to get a remote control.

[17:03:23]

szakulec:

iamlindoro_: where at?

[17:03:37]

iamlindoro_:

now all I need is for ATI to give me a compelling reason to put one of their cards in my baby

[17:03:39]

iamlindoro_:

szakulec: work

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zubsss:

quicksilver, :-)

[17:04:35]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_ 's comment makes me wonder if my buddy's company (a game software company) is getting rid of any 'old' nvidia cards... ;-) I should ask him!

[17:04:59]

szakulec:

iamlindoro_: look at it as you're getting raw potential-it's going to be very awesome, and work extremely well, just not right now

[17:05:28]

iamlindoro_:

It does UVD2 but isn't that fancy otherwise. It'll do.

[17:05:42]

iamlindoro_:

Some RV630 card

[17:06:18]

zubsss:

my question is somewhat strange, i know :-) the fact is that, right now, i want to play music on the stereo sending the order on the laptop i'm now

[17:06:44]

iamlindoro_:

zubsss: mpd

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iamlindoro_:

rather than myth

[17:06:54]

iamlindoro_:

Myth isn't the right tool, mpd is

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zubsss:

i tried mythweb but, obviously it tries to play it in my laptop

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zubsss:

iamlindoro, let's see

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Seems he's not theiving... He said so.

[17:07:29]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: I have put the whole list on /ignore until sanity prevails

[17:07:29]

sphery:

(not related to your current conversation)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zubsss: or just use vlc to control your backend remotely...

[17:07:58]

sphery:

well, we enjoyed your e-mails while they lasted. Sorry that you'll never be on the list, again. :)

[17:07:59]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

er... VNC...

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: hahaha

[17:08:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

123?

[17:08:28]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: don't lie, nobody enjoyed my e-mails, they never gave the answrs people wanted to hear

[17:08:32]

zubsss:

J-e-f-f-A, that was the last resort :-)

[17:08:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: well, those of us who enjoy seeing others' pain enjoyed them

[17:08:55]

iamlindoro_:

haha

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

zubsss: "NX" is much faster than VNC – give that a shot if you want.

[17:09:17]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: just looked, that reasoning is totally bogus

[17:09:42]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: having a subscription doesn't make decrypting it/stealing it with disallowed equipment any more legal

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zubsss:

another nice solution would be some kind of "advanced" remote control for ipod touch/iphone

[17:09:49]

sphery:

is he saying that he's using a satellite smart card (breaking service agreement)?

[17:10:00]

sphery:

yeah, that's what I thought

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jams:

zubsss- somebody posted such a thing not to long ago

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I think he's saying he has a sub which makes his decrypting/adding Nagra keys legal

[17:10:42]

iamlindoro_:

which it doesn't

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zubsss:

i tried a simple remote control that controls the mythclient on my mythserver/client

[17:11:24]

zubsss:

(via a cgi-bin)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: Oh. That's worse than just using the smart card with a hardware cam.

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sphery:

i compacted my -users folder, so I don't have the mail to reply, so I'll wait 'til he says it again... :)

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zubsss:

but it would be nice to get a full client on the iphone that controls the client on the server (sorry for my english......)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I actually have no philosopical problem whatsoever with R5000/any other way that requires a valid sub and gives you no more than that... but getting all the channels and saying it's okay because you have a sub? Sounds really fishy to me

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: then again, I say that based on the fact that I have NO idea which channels exactly I get, there's just too damn many of them

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sphery:

zubsss: http://trac2.assembla.com/mymote

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: If I was relied upon to only watch the ones I subscribed to while all were available, I would certainly fail at it, as I would have no idea which was which

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zubsss:

iamlindoro, mpd seems to be nice for music as i dont need to turn on the crt, it can be controlled from a pc or iphone (shouldnt be that hard to write a client for it if it doesnt exists)

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: yeah, probably has a sub but finds the "FTA" better because for some crazy reason the satco's STB only picks up a few of the channels, so it must be broken... :)

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: hehe

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iamlindoro_:

zubsss: yes, mpd is very nice and you can choose whatever client you wish too

[17:15:50]

iamlindoro_:

It'll even coexist nicely with Myth in many/most cases

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sphery:

zubsss: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/343793#343793 for announcement

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zubsss:

sphery, mymote seems an advanced version of the cgi-bin solution that uses mythweb, as it seems to be a "simple" remote controller for an existing mythclient, isnt?

[17:18:47]

sphery:

I haven't used it.

[17:18:57]

sphery:

I know it uses MythXML, not just telnet/MythWeb

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sphery:

there's another one I'm still looking for, too

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zubsss:

sphery, ok, thank you!

[17:19:34]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/327787#327787

[17:19:43]

sphery:

again, haven't used it

[17:20:30]

sphery:

don't think it's a "see the UI on both the TV and the iPhone, but see the video on the TV" solution (and, I don't think one of those exists--other than a VNC-like approach)

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zubsss:

somewhat weird needs i have :-)

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: you catch my earlier message?

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sphery:

actually, you want something that /many/ people would love, but no one loves enough to actually code :)

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: oh, no, I'll look back

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: tearing on high-motion. :( not horrifically bad, but noticeable

[17:22:15]

iamlindoro_:

rodimus: Aw, boo

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zubsss:

sphery, oh... i'm surprised, maybe i found something funny to code that's not coded yet xD

[17:22:28]

rodimus:

otherwise, looks very nice

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: Ah well, I can bide my time a bit and get it working perfectly pending a driver update

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sphery:

zubsss: now you just need to code it. :)

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: good to know, I am migrating back and forth between here and reception waiting for mine to come

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zubsss:

sphery, the easy part ;-)

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sphery:

MythTeleport

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: what cpu did you get again? the 2.16 is... yeah, ragged... with h264 material

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: I presume a drama will probably be fine tearingwise?

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: yeah, the 2.16

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sphery:

(Kind of like the old push to teleport X clients from server to server... I'm so sad that died out.)

[17:23:43]

rodimus:

1080p blu-ray rips are almost perfect, minor hiccup every once in a while

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: I'll likely apply/re-re-reupdate the skiploopfilter patch

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rodimus:

the bbc planet earth demo clip goes haywire at some point, as does the 13.5Mbps hdpvr sample clip

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rodimus:

both play fine for a while, then start spewing (this is all w/mplayer)

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Lunar_Lamp:

rodimus: where can you get that clip from?

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rodimus:

which one?

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rodimus:

the hdpvr clip, there's a torrent linked off the wiki

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/hdpvr/

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iamlindoro_:

don't be spreading that link around ;)

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rodimus:

or that

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iamlindoro_:

Made those a while back to show each Mbit increase for speed testing

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iamlindoro_:

those are all CBR, so about as hard as it gets

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wagnerrp:

i assume no firmware updates will make any changes to those?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: minute ones-- those captures are with AAC, AC3 seems to play slightly nicer and there have been minor stream fixes

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: But hey, might as well go all-in-worst-case-scenario

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at0m|c:

ew, belgian program list is running empty. 1 more day of data.. looks like the tvblad site doesnt appreciate the tv_grab_be script anymore

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at0m|c:

our local portal provided a great proxy, but that one itself parsed the list provider too. any dutch speeking here? please check http://mythportal.be/node/104

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wagnerrp:

those are good files? tried the 13mbit one. zoomplayer refused to do anything, vlc played half a second of audio, the screen filled with garbage, and then it crashed.

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sphery:

at0m|c: did you check the xmltv lists and/or channel?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: yes, they are good files

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: your player needs to be recent enough to support PAFF + Interlaced (generally something in the last month or two will work)

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sphery:

and your ffmpeg needs to be current, too, right?

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: most stuff I know of imports libavcodec as part of their checkout or static, so you would only need current ffmpeg if you wanted to work with the raw streams

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iamlindoro_:

Myth plays the files pretty decently in current -fixes or trunk

[17:35:05]

iamlindoro_:

Mplayer has been totally hit or miss

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sphery:

cool. I knew some did (Myth, MPlayer), but didn't know if that was common among others

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: myth 0.21 + recentish fixes was utter fail for me

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at0m|c:

sphery, not sure about the xmltv lists, will check

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wagnerrp:

well my decoder is ffmpeg, but its nearly a year old.... lets see if i can find an update

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** JEDIDIAH_ has just avoided interlaced modes on the 1212 entirely. **

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JEDIDIAH_:

if you're dead set on the interlaced stuff, try trunk

[17:39:13]

JEDIDIAH_:

I run it with minimal problems.

[17:39:25]

JEDIDIAH_:

...most of which are probably self inflicted anyways.

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wagnerrp:

well im actually managing this on a C2D 2GHz

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wagnerrp:

(on windows using ffdshow/ffmpeg)

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wagnerrp:

2.2GHz

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, there should be no hardware acceleration beyond the video scaling that Xv provides

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: Interesting-- A few months ago it played nicely

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: And then the h264.c fixes were backported too o I presumed it would only be better

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iamlindoro_:

(running trunk so can't speak from recent .21 experience)

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||ChAoS||:

> I think I am having a basic implementation problem, but its been so long since I have done anything Linux related I am not sure where to start diagnosing the problem. I am getting a solid green screen for any channel i try to watch... I have posted my logs here if anyone has a minute to take a look it would be appreciated: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f2c45ab34

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rk4n3:

I'm getting this compilation error on Slackware 12.1: /usr/include/artsc/../libavcodec/avcodec.h:2314:5: error: missing binary operator before token "("

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rk4n3:

... anyone familiar with a solution for this ?

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Anduin:

||ChAoS||: You backend log is too short, it doesn't show anything trying to record. I think there is a v4l patch for a problem with new kernels that causes a similar problem, is your card a framegrabber that works fine with other apps?

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Anduin:

rk4n3: looks like you have ffmepg installed to /usr/include, nothing good comes from that

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||ChAoS||:

Anduin: Its a older card but I had it working about 2 years ago to watch basic stuff through in slackware actually. I am thinking it was xine I had it working with.

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rk4n3:

Anduin: hmm... I believe I did configure ffmpeg with prefix=/usr

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||ChAoS||:

Avermedia WinTV card i think.

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rk4n3:

Anduin: does ffmpeg in /usr cause a problem specifically for mythtv, or does it have some generally-negative impact ?

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Anduin:

||ChAoS||: did you configure it as a v4l or hardware mpeg card in mythtv?

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||ChAoS||:

v4l

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Anduin:

rk4n3: It causes include search problems, as you can see from your error it can find ../libavcodec from /usr/include/artsc and the one it actually wants is in the mythtv source directory.

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Anduin:

||ChAoS||: try the card with tvtime

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rk4n3:

Anduin: aha – so I configure to install with prefix=/usr/local instead ?

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Anduin:

(I think that is the current popular app)

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Anduin:

rk4n3: for ffmpeg? depends, look at the include search path during the mythtv build

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Anduin:

(it changes so check the libav* and libmythtv* ones closely)

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rk4n3:

Anduin: ok – will do – thanks

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||ChAoS||:

Anduim: Installing tvtime now, thanks for the suggestion

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Anduin:

||ChAoS||: I don't know if this actually works: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5608

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||ChAoS||:

Anduin: during channel scan with tvtime I see the intended signals...

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Anduin:

||ChAoS||: I know almost nothing about tvtime or how to use it.

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||ChAoS||:

I think it points me to the fact that myth is configured wrong and that the card does indeed work with the current drivers.

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: I should have clarified... it plays the file, and the video looks fine, but it can't keep up

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rodimus:

prebuffering pauses every second or two

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: ah, I gotcha

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: the skiploop patch helps quite a bit-- I wouldn't recommend CoreAVC at the moment because it has various painful side effects

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||ChAoS||_:

Anduin: Sorry didnt meen to split, moved my case and pulled my video card out on accident

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: we'll see how much time I get to play this weekend... tonight will be spent mostly on transplanting the n wifi card out of the hybrid into my mac mini...

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rodimus:

then convincing the mini to work

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rodimus:

need to get this n usb stick out the door back to newegg...

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rodimus:

(flaky connector or something)

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

Mine actually just arrived, good fun

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rodimus:

I've got mine back to the point where its doing everything the mini was

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rodimus:

need to play w/the hdpvr some more now

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iamlindoro_:

I'm a bit disappointed that the place I'm putting it doesn't have HDMi (DVI only) so I can't play with the HDMI+Audio

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rodimus:

yeah, sadly, the tv the mac mini is hooking up to *does* have hdmi, but the mini has no hdmi out

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rodimus:

so the machine w/hdmi is feeding dvi to my big tv and optical spdif my amp

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iamlindoro_:

I guess it's all the same in the end, just like new shinies :)

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rodimus:

the machine w/o dvi is feeding an hdmi input sans-audio

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rodimus:

just stereo audio out to the tv now

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rodimus:

I've been eying a new tv for a while though...

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rodimus:

my 3+ year old 37" just isn't that spiffy anymore

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rodimus:

plus, I ditched the old cabinet, which is what limited me to 37" in the first place

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rodimus:

and the living room is such that the 37" looks quite small (a good 15' from tv to couch)

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iamlindoro_:

It's certainly sharp looking, I need to take the windows product key sticker off though

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rodimus:

yeah, was rather annoyed to see those on there, under the sleeve

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rodimus:

didn't bother with ripping them off yet

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rodimus:

wonder if winders still boots...

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rodimus:

(partition was resized by anaconda to make room for fedora, haven't tried booting it since)

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rodimus:

(last time I did that procedure, I wound up with an unbootable vista on my thinkpad, to which my solution was to reformat that partition ext3)

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iamlindoro_:

hmm... guess it *might* be worth having a native partition for AnyDVD HD, but then again, I can always keep doing that in a VM

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rodimus:

going to keep vista around just in case I need/want to poke at the hd pvr

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rodimus:

at least until firmware uploading from linux is possible

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rodimus:

although a vm w/usb passthru would suffice for that

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iamlindoro_:

also works in VMWare if you are so inclined

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iamlindoro_:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

Yay, work has a giant thing of googone

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: oh yeah... depending on your video driver version... you may wind up with your hybrid thinking there's an attached LVDS somewhere

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rodimus:

which can cause... "interesting" side-effects...

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rodimus:

basically, since its a mobile chipset, and bios writers suck ass, it reports having a laptop panel

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rodimus:

so it has to be quirked around

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iamlindoro_:

ew

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rodimus:

so I had both a 1920x1080 display and a 1024x768 display being reported

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rodimus:

mplayer full-screen displayed on the 1080p display, in a 1024x768 box

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rodimus:

my buddy's hybrid was horked up enough by the extra display being reported, that X simply didn't output *anywhere*

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iamlindoro_:

ug

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iamlindoro_:

any nice clean workarounds?

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rodimus:

being able to walk down the hall and talk to the xorg maintainer is insanely helpful

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rodimus:

its a 2-line patch to the intel video driver

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: any chance you'd share that?

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rodimus:

I think its already in the 2.4.2 branch, but wasn't in the 2.5.0 branch

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rodimus:

certainly

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rodimus:

http://wilsonet.com/jarod/junk/intel-2.4.2-dell-quirk.patch

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laga:

rodimus: xorg maintainer?

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rodimus:

laga: Adam Jackson

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laga:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

Obnoxious to have to compile my video driver, but I'll probably track the intel driver pretty closely until they fix the tearing

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rodimus:

(although truth be told, I didn't actually walk down the hall, I talked to him on irc, but I could have) :)

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: thank you much

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rodimus:

np

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: out of curiosity, what distro? (if any) :)

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: This will probably be an ubuntu netboot (I'm not all that partial one way or another)

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rodimus:

there's a chance the patch is already in some distros builds, it just got omitted from the 2.5 branch

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rodimus:

found this out there on the tubes: http://code.google.com/p/thelinux/source/brow . . . n24&r=24

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rodimus:

ah, appears to be gentoo-ish

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iamlindoro_:

yay, no more stickers

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iamlindoro_:

Hope I don't end up wishing I had that vista keycode

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rodimus:

heh

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laga:

you know you will

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: dont you think its time to take a break from the computer?

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dustybin:

and whack on a film on the big screen :)

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rodimus:

ugh. dsa signature verification code is making my eyes bleed.

[19:08:32]

dustybin:

rodimus: use a editor what can close parts of the code

[19:08:59]

rodimus:

that won't help

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dustybin:

rodimus: sometimes it helps if you sit down, have a rest, and think

[19:10:48]

rodimus:

merely having to read this code and attempt to understand it is enough

[19:10:50]

dustybin:

then come back to it, ive solved lots of problems doing that

[19:11:07]

dustybin:

rodimus: label it up yourself

[19:11:14]

AndyCap_:

rodimus: that does lead to the question, should you be editing it at all.

[19:11:19]

shiftplusone_:

Hello, I am having a bit of an issue with the frontend (i think).... when I play long recordings (near an hourish) it acts like the recording finishes at about 40 minutes... and I am not having disk space issues or anything... nothing seems to come up in the backend log file.

[19:11:33]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: usually cryptography code is intentionally obfuscated for the purpose of preventing people from understanding it

[19:11:51]

Dagmar:

Umm... crappy code is

[19:11:55]

dustybin:

eeek

[19:11:57]

AndyCap_:

wagnerrp: umm, unless it's drm that spells epic fail

[19:12:05]

rodimus:

AndyCap_: I get to reimplement it in such a way that a userspace program can feed shit into the kernel via netlink, and the kernel can spit the results back out over the same netlink socket...

[19:12:06]

Dagmar:

Good crypto is easy to read, well documented, and backed up by TEH POWAH OF MATHS

[19:12:40]

rodimus:

block ciphers, hmacs and digests were easy

[19:12:49]

rodimus:

dsa sig ver... slightly messier

[19:13:00]

AndyCap_:

rodimus: so what vpn protocol is this?

[19:13:05]

dustybin:

Dagmar: do you plan to do anything 'computery' this weekend?

[19:13:07]

rodimus:

mostly because the kernel doesn't have any particularly well-designed interface for it

[19:13:20]

AndyCap_:

hehe, crypto api fail?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: www.phreaknic.info <-- that computery enough?

[19:13:26]

dustybin:

heh

[19:13:36]

dustybin:

does the bear shit in the woods?

[19:13:45]

rodimus:

AndyCap_: very much crypto api fail here...

[19:13:52]

Dagmar:

The rain stopped so I can ride the kymco over there

[19:13:57]

wagnerrp:

i about to ask why youre using an outdated cipher like DSA, but i was thinking of DES

[19:14:24]

rodimus:

http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/STM/cavp/validation.html

[19:14:36]

Dagmar:

DES isn't outdated, but it might not be useable

[19:14:56]

rodimus:

DES is outdated if you ask the US government

[19:15:03]

shiftplusone_:

so... any reason playback stops at the same spot every time?

[19:15:03]

AndyCap_:

DES is old though, and you should be using 3des.

[19:15:04]

Dagmar:

They cut us a deal on that back in the 90's just so everyone wouldn't be left swinging when it was noticed the US gov't had the rights on it

[19:15:13]

wagnerrp:

well when you can crack it in a matter of days with a reasonable hardware cost, its outdated

[19:15:15]

AndyCap_:

or AES. :P

[19:15:34]

rodimus:

old-school DES has been nuked from FIPS

[19:15:40]

Dagmar:

That was what got the DES code in glibc replaced with the modular bits that let us use MD5 sums for hashing

[19:15:47]

rodimus:

triple-des and aes are still good to go though

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Dagmar:

I can't remember for sure but I think it was the Navy

[19:16:37]

Dagmar:

Their change amounted to "if no other equally powerful method is readily available" it could be used without an explicit licence

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laga:

Dagmar: some speakers on phreaknic sound like rednecks. eg the description of that handgrip guy

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dustybin:

Dagmar: why do you think the .mkv container is lame?

[19:33:19]

dustybin:

its the only one x264 container to support AC3 audio at the moment

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Anduin:

shiftplusone_: mpg file? try rebuilding the seek info (mythcommflag --rebuild blah)

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shiftplusone_:

sorry, I got disconnected, did anyone reply to my playback cutting out for no reason question?

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jams:

<Anduin> shiftplusone_: mpg file? try rebuilding the seek info (mythcommflag --rebuild blah)

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shiftplusone_:

so if I cancelled commercial flagging, would that be a likely cause?

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: x264 container?

[19:45:19]

shiftplusone_:

and thanks, jams and Anduin.

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dustybin:

what containers support x264 + AC3 ?

[19:45:42]

dustybin:

apart from .mkv

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wagnerrp:

no containers support x264

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dustybin:

can you put anything inside a container?

[19:46:13]

wagnerrp:

matroska supports H264

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dustybin:

yep

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dustybin:

matroska also supports AC3

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wagnerrp:

h.264 != x264

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GreyFoxx:

I'm unware of any reason why you couldnm't have ac3 audio and h264 video in an avi

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wagnerrp:

one is a standard, the other is a specific implementation of said standard

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dustybin:

sorry, x264 is the codec! h264 is the output!

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: iamlindoro_ said .avi doesnt have features like .mkv and .mp4

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't

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GreyFoxx:

ac3 is not a "feature"

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GreyFoxx:

just an audio stream

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dustybin:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

avi doesn't support cover posters, and tons of other stuff

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: i got mkvmerge working for indexing, just run it through without any options

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dustybin:

right i seee

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GreyFoxx:

and has a very poor way of syncing the audio./video that easily gets out of sync

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dustybin:

ok

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wagnerrp:

anyway, matroska is a nice format

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AndyCap_:

so it depends on what your player and encoder supports. for instance vlc can make h.264 + ac3 in mpeg transpot stream only.

[19:49:03]

wagnerrp:

its just wholly unsupported by industry

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: Dagmar said its a lame format

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wagnerrp:

so youre never going to use it on anything but a full computer

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dustybin:

IMO .mp4 without AC3 makes it no good for a lot of setups

[19:50:08]

dustybin:

but now its being implemented

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iamlindoro_:

MP4 *does* support AC3

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dustybin:

only just!

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iamlindoro_:

it only just got added to the standard, so the players are playing catch up

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dustybin:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

I love the "yep" when I am the one who taught *you* that

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: remember when you told me to tell you when you was being rude? well, your being rude!

[19:51:40]

iamlindoro_:

I never told you to tell me that-- I don't care!

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iamlindoro_:

and that's "you were being rude" and "you're"

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Anduin:

shiftplusone_: No, not normally, normally commflag just introduced commercial flag markers, if it is the seektable, look for crashed tables, or just hope it doesn't keep happening

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iamlindoro_:

God, they must have a south in the UK too

[19:52:16]

iamlindoro_:

I think they call it the "north" though

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: sarf

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sphery:

shiftplusone_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable

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Anduin:

or search the wiki, stupid pre-answered questions...

[19:55:00]

sphery:

Anduin: meaning that's a bad answer?

[19:55:25]

sphery:

The page looked pretty good to me.

[19:55:33]

Anduin:

sphery: No, just meaning I never search the wiki (meaning I can usually only invent one reason)

[19:55:45]

sphery:

oh

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sphery:

Probably better not to search the wiki. Though some pages are pretty good, there's a lot of half-truths and untruths on there and it can be very disconcerting dealing with the guilt of not fixing it all (and then re-fixing it when someone breaks it again).

[19:56:50]

sphery:

That is probably better for /you/ not to search the wiki.

[19:57:00]

sphery:

It's still a good source for people just learning Myth stuff.

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iamlindoro_:

All my pages are good :)

[20:04:32]

iamlindoro_:

Because I police them like a fascist

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I don't know if I can agree with that. Obviously they were when you created them--goes without saying--but people edit them--even your user page. :)

[20:05:19]

sphery:

sure you fix them sooner than most, but there's still a chance I could read one in the interim

[20:05:23]

sphery:

:)

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dustybin:

can one burn music onto a cd via mythmusic?

[20:05:34]

rodimus:

I should actually read over what people have put into the 'mythtv on fedora' pages... see what's gone off to insanity-land...

[20:05:49]

rodimus:

-ENOTIME

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sphery:

rodimus: I think your talents could better be applied elsewhere

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: this is why I should be granted sweeping powers to declare martial law over the wiki

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sphery:

I see the wiki as "untruths that generally lead to helping users configure their systems the way they think they want them--even when the configuration is completely broken"

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rodimus:

sphery: 'tis what I tell myself too, just feel bad, its like I've abandoned a bunch of people... :)

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sphery:

ALSA page is a great example :)

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sphery:

rodimus: BTW, was your recent work part of the reason that the Linux kernel distribution topped 10M lines (including whitespace and comments) in 2.6.27? (I.e. did the LIRC stuff--or some of it--get in, yet?) http://www.heise-online.co.uk/news/Kernel-Log . . . les--/111759

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rodimus:

sphery: hahaha, no, haven't got any lirc bits actually merged yet

[20:10:29]

sphery:

Wow. So it will get even bigger... :)

[20:10:38]

rodimus:

sadly, haven't had a lot of time the past week or two to touch it much

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sphery:

Might make up for the 3.7M lines of whitespace and comments to put it over 10M SLOC

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rodimus:

I need to figure out if we'll be allowed to get stuff in w/o first converting to evdev or not

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shiftplusone_:

sorry, disconnected again. thanks jams and Anduin.

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rodimus:

and I think we'll have to be much less ambitious — some drivers are just too batshit insane to allow into the kernel

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rodimus:

(lirc_sir comes to mind...)

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rodimus:

even lirc_serial is pretty terrible

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sphery:

isn't lirc_serial the one that people generally use for homebrew transmitters?

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iamlindoro_:

yeah

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rodimus:

unfortunately

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sphery:

hmmm... pretty important that that one gets cleaned up, then.

[20:18:42]

sphery:

:(

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rodimus:

mceusb2 and imon are the only two drivers I have (more or less) complete confidence in

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sphery:

wow

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rodimus:

next thing on my todo list is to merge mceusb support into the mceusb2 driver

[20:20:33]

rodimus:

had it almost working about 2 weeks back, haven't had time to poke since then

[20:21:35]

rodimus:

oh, lirc_i2c is reasonably sane too

[20:21:53]

sphery:

I know how that goes... I had a HDD failure while cleaning up the mess from a HDD failure less than a week before... Between the HDD shuffling and waiting for replacements to ship/arrive, it takes a while to get things "back to normal." :)

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sphery:

eats up a bunch of time

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rodimus:

some of the others might be, I just haven't had time to look at 'em in-depth

[20:22:12]

rodimus:

I had a 3rd child arrive. :)

[20:22:19]

sphery:

that would take more time

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rodimus:

wife and I are officially foster parents as of this past monday afternoon

[20:22:58]

sphery:

I just had a friend's first child arrive, but it only took a couple hours of my time (shuttling family from airport, taking the dog out :)

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sphery:

congrats

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rodimus:

2mo old girl added to the 6 year old son and 3 year old daughter we already had

[20:23:43]

rodimus:

haven't slept particularly well this week :)

[20:24:07]

rodimus:

(and thank you :)

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: hey, congrats!

[20:24:21]

iamlindoro_:

rodimus: I have five adopted siblings

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: whoa. thought I had a fair number at two. :)

[20:24:52]

iamlindoro_:

rodimus: ten kids total in my family :)

[20:25:11]

rodimus:

oy!

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iamlindoro_:

Anyway, I am very supportive of foster parenting/adoption, so good for you and my thanks/appreciation

[20:25:48]

rodimus:

just four in mine, and that made dinner, car trips, etc., interesting enough already... can't imagine w/10!

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rodimus:

wife and I were talking about adopting, but its $$$$$$$$ (at least for overseas)

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justinh:

ten?!

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: yeah, all five from overseas

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iamlindoro_:

(of my sibs)

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justinh:

gawd

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iamlindoro_:

Three sisters from China, two brothers from Vietnam

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justinh:

bet that was fun growing up

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rodimus:

two sisters from S. Korea for me

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: huuuuuge age differences, we range from 31 to 8

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: My folks adopted the first just before I went to college

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: was you the only computer nerd ?

[20:28:17]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Probably the most technical of my family, but by no means the smart one

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rodimus:

so yeah, foster first, could lead to adoption. pretty good chance we'll take on another foster kid once we get the hang of the first one

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: political climate hasn't helped overseas adoption any

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iamlindoro_:

turns out being despised abroad doesn't grease any wheels

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rodimus:

indeed

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iamlindoro_:

I would do it in a second, but for now my personal family includes an adoption of a dog ;)

[20:29:53]

jblack:

There's a lot of children in the US that need adoption. Why go off to Swaziland?

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wagnerrp:

i really wish Steam's download progress was more meaningful

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wagnerrp:

150MB downloaded and im 15% in, 500MB downloaded and im 22% in

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iamlindoro_:

jblack: Because children deserve a chance regardless of where they were born? Because the US adoption system is horribly dysfunctional? Because the US provides social services, awful as they are, and children abroad are turned out destitute, ill, and uneducated if they can't find homes?

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jblack:

What do you want to know? The total size?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: that's a big 7% ;)

[20:31:55]

iamlindoro_:

don't worry, the next 7% is much smaller

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sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe you're downloading a sparse file and there weren't many holes in that 7%.

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fuxxy:

The file is shaped like a cylinder.. the first part goes quickly, then it slows down until it's about 2/3 done, then it speeds up again

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iamlindoro_:

Windows Media Center 7 revealed, looks.... like current versio.

[20:39:23]

iamlindoro_:

version.

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_: they've already got a dysfunctional UI, why make things complicated?

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sphery:

it's vista based, right?

[20:40:09]

iamlindoro_:

Oh, an OSD with alpha blending, welcome to the social!

[20:40:13]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: yep

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iamlindoro_:

well, windows 7, the post-vista

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sphery:

oh

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iamlindoro_:

http://winfuture.de/screenshots/Windows-7-Mei . . . -3527-1.html

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iamlindoro_:

also, d'oh!

[20:41:30]

iamlindoro_:

http://www.geektonic.com/2008/10/microsoft-me . . . -breaks.html

[20:41:31]

sphery:

why do people say Myth is ugly?

[20:41:44]

iamlindoro_:

dumbasses-- MCE update breaks cablecard, uh-whoops

[20:41:44]

sphery:

guess they've never seen MCE

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sphery:

that's the benefit of DRM

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iamlindoro_:

The single feature that MCE has over other media centers and they break it, pffft

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rodimus:

fluendo has this really pretty UI... just... you know... no actual functionality...

[20:42:35]

rodimus:

(actually, haven't kept track of elisa...)

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sphery:

still doesn't do tv

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iamlindoro_:

haha, and in addition to breaking cablecard, if you try to watch a cablecard recording you get no video, broken audio, and the cpu pegged

[20:42:58]

sphery:

wonder if it has a cube, yet, though

[20:43:09]

iamlindoro_:

<Muntz> Haaa haaaa </muntz>

[20:43:55]

sphery:

webguide is broken by a different update, it seems (comments)

[20:44:09]

sphery:

wonder what webguide is...

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds like their Mythweb, maybe?

[20:44:41]

jams:

yes

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jams:

with streaming livetv

[20:45:14]

sphery:

I still don't get the concept of streaming LiveTV.

[20:45:28]

sphery:

Guess I won't 'til I have 20Mb upstream bandwidth available...

[20:45:36]

MinDKrime:

yes it like mythweb.. the ONLY reason I like MC is because of the extenders, but I just dont see myself leaving mythtv for the forseeable future...

[20:45:53]

sphery:

aren't extenders like partially-functional frontends?

[20:46:04]

jams:

yes

[20:46:21]

MinDKrime:

my next door neighbors is great, he can do almost everything on it...

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sphery:

seems Myth--with fully functional frontends--and as many backends as desired would be better.

[20:46:56]

iamlindoro_:

thanks to rodimus I just got me an "extender" for less than an extender.. and it'll be full featured :)

[20:47:05]

iamlindoro_:

and less power hungry

[20:47:07]

iamlindoro_:

and quieter

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MinDKrime:

I with there was a small frontend like sage... but I am not picky. I will keep running my setup as is

[20:47:26]

MinDKrime:

what is it?

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sphery:

then again, there are a lot of people using UPnP devices or underpowered systems as frontends, so maybe there's some reason for it.

[20:47:47]

sphery:

Dell Studio Hybrid (was on sale)

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productd . . . en&s=dhs

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jams:

sphery- there are a little cheaper,silent and have a little quicker boot time

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iamlindoro_:

Still some in the outlet last I checked, and another one of those 20% off coupons is sure to come along

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rodimus:

I may snag a 2nd one just to have at some point

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rodimus:

nice little boxes

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MinDKrime:

$499?

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rodimus:

or less

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sphery:

just compacted my Tech folder (including all the Dell coupons/mailers), so I can't see if I have one...

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dustybin:

if i change the mythtv user id and group id, would it mess up everything?

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rodimus:

I got a refurb w/the 20% off thing delivered, with tax and shipping, $408

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iamlindoro_:

MinDKrime: only if you buy it at full retail-- Got a mid-high-end model refurb with a 20% coupon the other day for $320

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MinDKrime:

ahhh

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MinDKrime:

it better than a mini?

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rodimus:

as far as horsepower, yes

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rodimus:

not quite as small or quiet

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iamlindoro_:

MinDKrime: rodimus owns both

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rodimus:

my hybrid is actually replacing a mini :)

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MinDKrime:

nice

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iamlindoro_:

I have worked with the mini (and love it) but only just got my Hybrid today

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rodimus:

the mini is going upstairs now

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rodimus:

my mini is only a core duo 1.66, which is fine for mpeg2 hdtv

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MinDKrime:

well I might have to look into one, how hard to get running?

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rodimus:

notsomuch for h264

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rodimus:

not very hard at all

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MinDKrime:

it will do h264?

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rodimus:

sorta

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rodimus:

its kind of struggling atm w/really big h264 stuff, but I haven't tweaked at all (read: disabled the skiploop filter)

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rodimus:

or whatever it is

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MinDKrime:

ahhh

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MinDKrime:

well you may talk me into one... I will wait and see how it goes first :)

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rodimus:

1080p blu-ray stuff plays reasonably well w/o any tweaking at all

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iamlindoro_:

It was hard to pass up the low cost at that moment and the power savings over a regular frontend is big

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MinDKrime:

you running the Dual 1.86GHz/533Mhz ?

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iamlindoro_:

2.16

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rodimus:

2.16

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rodimus:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

Still, 40 watts at PEAK with both cores is jaw droppingly green

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MinDKrime:

for $408?

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MinDKrime:

man I need to watch for that deal :)

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rodimus:

that was for a 2.16, 1G RAM (adding another 1G tonight), 802.11n wifi, 106G HD, DVD burner, and included tax and shipping

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iamlindoro_:

MinDKrime: his had an 802.11/Blurtooth card, mine did not-- his was 408 ater tax and shipping, my 320 was before those (380 after)

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: Not sure how I ended up with 2 G RAM and a 250, though

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rodimus:

the n card is going to be extracted tonight and transplanted into my mini

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rodimus:

I went for fast-ish cpu and n card for as cheap as possible

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rodimus:

tho in retrospect, the n card wasn't really necessary

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iamlindoro_:

We got the same CPU, but no n card for me

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iamlindoro_:

The HDD is sort of moot for me since it will be disabled eventually, but the 2 GB RAM is nice (given shared GPU)

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rodimus:

I've got a usb n adapter I bought for the mini, but going to try the n card out of the hybrid first

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: yeah, I'm actually curious if dual-channel'ing memory might help slightly w/playback

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rodimus:

single 1G stick in there now

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, could be

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MinDKrime:

where is ther refurb dell website?

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iamlindoro_:

MinDKrime: go to dell.com, lowest left

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iamlindoro_:

"dell outlet"

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iamlindoro_:

Then desktops for home

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MinDKrime:

ahh dell outlet...

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MinDKrime:

thank you :)

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iamlindoro_:

MinDKrime: can't speak for anyone else, but you would *never* know mind was refurb from looking at it

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iamlindoro_:

np

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iamlindoro_:

looks like there is still 46 of them on refurb

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iamlindoro_:

when I ordered it was 745 or so

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iamlindoro_:

I'm sure far more when rodimus heard about it

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rodimus:

jeebus, they've sold a few of those, eh?

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rodimus:

yeah, don't see anything wrong w/mine either

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iamlindoro_:

Still, there's one more or less like ours for $489 (2.16, 2 Gb, 250 GB) and we used a 20% coupon so you'd be close if you could find same

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: I had a slight scuff on the front I buffed out with goo-gone while I removed he two labels, was just shmutz

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rodimus:

heh

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rodimus:

hm... I wonder how hard upgrading the cpu in these is, and what sort of tolerances it has thermally for a faster proc...

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: we know it will at least take the E8000ish series, yeah?

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rodimus:

I'm still debating heisting the hard drive out of it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

yeah... Refurb just usually means a customer return, they went through it, maybe cleaned it up or fixed an issue, then sell it again, but can't sell it as new... usually pretty decent deals...

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iamlindoro_:

(I think)

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rodimus:

options for a T8100, T9300 or T9500 if you build one

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: I was wondering without having looked whether a regular slotload laptop form factor bluray drive would fit

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rodimus:

I believe so

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iamlindoro_:

Might ebay one at some point if so

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iamlindoro_:

10% off one ebay purchase w/ coupon right now, too

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iamlindoro_:

Meh, then again I could just put the one I have in a USB enclosure

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rodimus:

or firewire! :)

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iamlindoro_:

or firewire

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iamlindoro_:

See, now I really *do* appreciate when people document things, so don't get me wrong, but

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installi . . . _Ubuntu_8.04

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iamlindoro_:

really?

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sid3windr:

wut's wrong with it?

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iamlindoro_:

sid3windr: "wut"'s wrong with it is overly specific article titles/instructions. Would be better accomplished in a more distro/version agnostic article that won't be forgotten/confusing people years from now

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sid3windr:

true

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sid3windr:

then again for a beginner in linux it's nice to have something just to follow

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sid3windr:

though then again it's not specific enough

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rodimus:

plus, for fedora 10, everything will Just Work right out of the box. :)

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iamlindoro_:

Can't decide whether to upgrade my MBE this weekend and work on getting the netboot just right, or install linux on the box to play with knowing full well that it will be wasted effort

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iamlindoro_:

"EDIT: As of Ubuntu 8.04 the fix proposed further down is no longer necessary — everything works fine out of the box. So if you have issues with graphics and your Intel 965 chip, it's unrelated to what is being discussed in this thread."

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iamlindoro_:

Apparently the wiki page is already out of date

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iamlindoro_:

Why do I always get new toys on a date night, anyway?

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Lunar_Lamp:

Poor planning ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

So it seems

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rodimus:

oops, el panico

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Decepticon:

ok hi there, i have installed ubuntu, and ive got my videocard working properly (nvidia geforce fx 5200 with restricted drivers), ive got a hauppage pvr-150 hooked up but i havent done anything to install any drivers for it... and i havent installed mythtv yet... what are my steps to do either of these things?

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iamlindoro_:

laga: How's the progress on 8.10? Do you have ISOs yet, and how's the status of your trunk PPA?

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iamlindoro_:

Decepticon: If you're running ubuntu, you don't need to do anything for a 150

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Decepticon:

what is the 'gameplan' if you will

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Decepticon:

iamlindoro, how can i be sure, that my 150 is detacted

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iamlindoro_:

Decepticon: The fact that you're running Ubuntu (so long as it is from the last few years) is enough to know that it is

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Decepticon:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

but, if you like, dmesg |grep ivtv

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Decepticon:

i have ubantoo 8.10

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Decepticon:

18.721899] ivtv0: Autodetected Hauppauge WinTV PVR-150

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Decepticon:

ahaha yesss

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iamlindoro_:

Decepticon: what possessed you to run pre-release software?

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JackEStorm:

Decepticon: you are good, just happends that my PVR-150 is in an U8.10 box

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Decepticon:

well whats wrong with 8.10

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Decepticon:

its only 10 days

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Decepticon:

im just testing if it will work

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Decepticon:

and then when stable comes out i will reformat

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Decepticon:

and do over

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iamlindoro_:

Decepticon: a LOT can happen in the run up to an actual release

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Anduin:

anyone know why the hvr-2250 is as cheap as it is? (considering the cost of the hvr-1800)

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: I dunno-- gonna be a nice card when the drivers get there, it seems

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Decepticon:

iamlindoro im making sure it works so far, any changes they make i really hope they dont affect hardware compatibililty

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Decepticon:

iamlindoro when 8.10 becomes stable, i will reformat and do over the entire process, as i will have become streamlined at it, with no errors, and then i will have a mint mythtv setup with no stupidity

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I can wait (or try to help), I'm just suspicious of what seems to be a good deal.

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iamlindoro_:

Anduin: stoth is here today it seems, he's writing the driver, might be worth a ping

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Decepticon:

so would you say my next move is to do what?

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iamlindoro_:

Decepticon: install myth

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Decepticon:

what is my gameplan to get mythv working somewhat on my test install of mytv

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Anduin:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, I did look at the archives, last post was the 14th (that I found), seemed like only DMA was left, if it is anything like the x50s well that shouldn't take long.

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Decepticon:

iamlindoro just sudo ap-get install mythtv? and hope for best?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Anduin: What price are you seeing it for?

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stoth:

Anduin: It's not my top priority right now.

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Decepticon:

any config required beforehand ore afterhand?

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Decepticon:

*or

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iamlindoro_:

Decepticon: you need to read the manual, there is substantial config to do afterwards

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stoth:

But it's going to be a fantastic card – atleast initally for digital.

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Decepticon:

iamlindoro is it bumbling aroudn in config files, or is it done via GUI

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Decepticon:

i will read manual

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iamlindoro_:

stoth: Thanks for responding-- might add one when the driver gets there

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Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A|work: $113 (w/o remote)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro_: except... it only has one input

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Heheh, that was *my* complaint :) But thankfully I only have one potential signal source

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wagnerrp:

so you either end up with two analog mpeg encoders that you can no longer use

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wagnerrp:

or two tuners for probably limited QAM source

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Anduin: Ok, that's pretty decent. I was looking at the one with the remote, for $147.96 from amazon...

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if the board is layed out such that you could solder on a second RF input

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wagnerrp:

break the internal splitter, and add a secondary source

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Anduin:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Yeah, newegg has it for $10/less but it was comparing it to the 1800 that had me thinking something must be wrong

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Anduin:

stoth: I'm not in a rush, may but one now and hope for a few months, I assume the info to get the DMA stuff working isn't public?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Anduin: I have a 1250 that I was using for a couple of months. I replaced it and a HD-5500 with a HDHomeRun, as I was getting 'chriping' audio on my 2nd tuner of the PVR-500 after adding the 1250, but that didnt' go away, so it must be something else...

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Anduin:

er buy one

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Weird, I have a 1250 but no complaints-- for some reason I really like that card-- cheap, ease of use, drop in and go

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iamlindoro_:

Plus it's the only card that will fit the x1 PCIe slot on my mobo

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Yeah, it's probably coincedental... Since it still happens, even with the card no longer in the backend! ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive had no problems with my 1250

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I've also got a PCIe Raid1 card for my OS disk(s)... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

on a system with a pair of 150s

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** JackEStorm doesn't have room for 150 **

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JackEStorm:

err 1250

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wagnerrp:

well pcie *should* all be dedicated interfaces, so having multiple cards should be no problem

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iamlindoro_:

oh well, hoe

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iamlindoro_:

home

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Decepticon:

i just installed mythtv

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Decepticon:

afaik i have to add my user to the mythtv group?

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Decepticon:

and then run sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start ?

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Decepticon:

or am i wrong

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Anduin:

Decepticon: that is very package/distribution specific

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Decepticon:

oh

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Decepticon:

im followign this guide http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

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Decepticon:

for obuntuu

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sphery:

might want to ask in #ubuntu-mythtv

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Decepticon:

ubuntu

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Decepticon:

oh

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Decepticon:

very nice, thank you

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iamlindoro:

and don't use that guide

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iamlindoro:

horribly out of date

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clev:

fuck, my nfs server imploded

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iamlindoro:

nuck!, my ffs server asplode

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fuxxy:

hmm, this is rather odd... I'm trying to listem to mp3's over samba with mythmusic, and all my music is playing at a faster tempo and pitch than it should

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clev:

root@theP4:/var/log# ls /media/c600myth

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clev:

ls: cannot access /media/c600myth: Permission denied

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fuxxy:

clev, is /media a NFS mounted folder?

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clev:

fuxxy: no /media/c600myth/ was nfs

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clev:

i had to stop and start the nfs server

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clev:

and for some reason the screen session was dead

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clev:

5921.pts-1.olddell (Dead ???)

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clev:

thats the 3rd screen session to die this week

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clev:

now to convince mythfrontend that the recordings arent missing

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Decepticon:

i cant get the database configuration setup step to work..

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Decepticon:

im getting 'cannot login to database'

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iamlindoro:

Decepticon, I strongly strongly recommend that you either install the current mythbuntu or wait until the 8.10 mythbuntu comes out in a few days and install with that

[22:24:48]

fuxxy:

Decepticon, obviously mysql is either not running or not configured properly

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iamlindoro:

because if you disagree, then I will be forced to point out that you MUST read the full myth manual before installing, this is not optional

[22:26:14]

kormoc:

or wrong user/password

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fuxxy:

Does MythMusic support resampling to 48khz?

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kormoc:

alsa does

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clev:

fuxxy: the only time i had problems like that was when the card was both recording&playing at once

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fuxxy:

kormoc, I know alsa does, but alsa shoudl not be messing with the audio, just passing it to the reciever

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clev:

the card was crappy and could only handle 1 sample rate at once

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RyeBrye:

fuxxy – are you using digital out?

[22:27:08]

clev:

if i used a different rate on playback, it would screw up

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fuxxy:

kormoc, I"m afraid I'll get into trouble if I start having alsa screw around with the rate

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, yes.. coaxial spdif

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RyeBrye:

can a receiver even take digital signal from mp3's? I thought it was just pcm or ac3 or whatever

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, I'm not suure how it's doing it, but I'm playing mp3's right now

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kormoc:

fuxxy, well, depends. if your output wants 48k, alsa is the perfect layer for that, as it will ensure all audio matches that requirement

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but ALSA is probably already screwing with it

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RyeBrye:

because it has to decode it and then send it over the line – I don't think there is such thing as MP3 passthrough for digital audio out, but I might be wrong

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, that is always a possibility

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RyeBrye:

someone here helped me set up an alsa config file that seemed to magically fix all my problems

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, if you'll be so kind to share, I'll bet I can adapt it to fit my needs?

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clev:

then open it and share :P

[22:30:16]

RyeBrye:

I use SPDIF that gets mixed in with HDMI on my setu

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** RyeBrye overcomes his lazyness and ssh es into his box **

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** fuxxy pats RyeBrye on the head **

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fuxxy:

afk a sec, will you pm me a link RyeBrye ?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, once I find it

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RyeBrye:

this wiki page talks about it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configur . . . C3_and_SPDIF

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RyeBrye:

as does this one: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

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RyeBrye:

Ahah... found it

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RyeBrye:

http://pastebin.com/f3a9709b0

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, lemme take a look

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, frickin vista explorer.exe keeps locking up

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, I don't have the spdif symlink to my iec958 device, I wonder if I should replace the "spdif" with iec958

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clev:

or make the symlink :P

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RyeBrye:

I know next to nothing about ALSA – but either approach sounds reasonable to me

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fuxxy:

clev, I don't know how to make the symlink :p

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clev:

fuxxy: 'man ln'

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sphery:

it's not a symlink

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fuxxy:

clev, what? seriously?

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sphery:

it's a logical device name

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fuxxy:

yeah, i didn't think it was a symlink

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sphery:

and it's defined by default by ALSA

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sphery:

it's a "built-in" name

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RyeBrye:

I think Sphery helped me in the first place

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fuxxy:

sphery, it doesn't show up in aplay -L ?

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sphery:

fuxxy: what sound card

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sphery:

no, aplay -L no longer gives (user) useful info

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fuxxy:

sphery, just a sec, pastebinning

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fuxxy:

sphery, ahhh

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RyeBrye:

fuxxy's original problem was that mythmusic was playing back faster than the normal sample rate, fyi

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fuxxy:

sphery, it's an onboard intel ICH5

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fuxxy:

RyeBrye, I've read taht that's a symptom of the mp3 not being resampled to 44.1

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sphery:

fuxxy: intel_hda?

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fuxxy:

and I think this asound.conf will fix it

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fuxxy:

sphery, sounds familiar, I belive so

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RyeBrye:

I'm pretty sure sphery gave me that asound.conf file to begin with – so he'd probably be able to tell you :)

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fuxxy:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/m255cd889

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sphery:

lsmod | grep snd gives?

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fuxxy:

sphery, my audio's built into the kernel :)

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sphery:

haven't seen that for a long time...

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fuxxy:

sph

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fuxxy:

sphery, just a sec

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fuxxy:

sphery, correct, SND_HDA_INTEL

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iamlindoro:

whelp, off to make the new baby wory, see you on the far side

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iamlindoro:

work

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sphery:

fuxxy: ok, it's iec958 that's the built-in one on all cards, spdif is only on some cards

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fuxxy:

sphery, yeah, it didnt start working until I specified iec958

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fuxxy:

so is it safe to change that "spdif" to iec958?

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sphery:

should be

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sphery:

it's safe, it should work

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fuxxy:

sphery, I'm running gentoo, there was no /etc/asound.conf.. trying to make sure alsa reads that file on startup

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sphery:

Note, though, that with that config, when Myth is using the audio, it will block all other programs from using audio. The other programs will send data, which will sit and wait, and when you exit playback in Myth, you'll get all the queued up sounds coming out (at Myth volume) at once.

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fuxxy:

sphery, this is a dedicated myth machine, I don't think that's gonna be an issue

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sphery:

/etc/asound.conf is the system-wide ALSA config file. ~/.asoundrc is the user-specific ALSA config that will override /etc/asound.conf

[23:03:21]

sphery:

assuming no non-myth programs (including desktop environments, IM programs, ...) send beeps/clicks/... to the audio while playing back recordings, it shouldn't be.

[23:03:55]

fuxxy:

sphery, I run fluxbox and mythwelcome, shouldnt be an issue :)

[23:04:35]

** sphery hates looking at the completely wrong wiki pages on ALSA **

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fuxxy:

sphery, okay, it *seems* better

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fuxxy:

is there a way to be completely positive?

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sphery:

don't know...

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sphery:

I'd just use it and if you recognize problems later, you still have work to do.

[23:05:49]

sphery:

It should be doing as you told it, though, so it's probably fine.

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fuxxy:

I'm gonna compare an mp3 on the lapotp with the same mp3 in mythmusic

[23:06:32]

sphery:

that should work

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sphery:

may be off by a /very/ small amount (all sound playback tends to be), but less than the difference between 44.1kHz and 48kHz (and especially less than the difference between 32kHz and 48kHz)

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sphery:

generally, my audio playback gets a few seconds behind after about 24 hours of (contiguous) playback, so I'm talking about a /small/ difference here

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fuxxy:

nope, still faster

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sphery:

I'd recommend trying the big ALSA conf file at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound

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fuxxy:

sphery, hmm, I wonder if this problem is even fixable...

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fuxxy:

I wonder if the software's already converting the bitrate to 48000, and it's just doing a sucky job at it?

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iamlindoro_:

Ahhh, there we are, that's working nicely.

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wagnerrp:

clev: did you recently restart your DNS server?

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wagnerrp:

for whatever reason, one of my machines doesnt like me doing that

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wagnerrp:

i have to -HUP the NFS server to get it to accept connections again

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wagnerrp:

'off to make this new baby work'... what did you get?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: One of the Dell Studio Hybrids

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wagnerrp:

ah, the small upright unit?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: comes with a mount for horizontal or vertical, left mine horizontal-- although only partly by choice, as dell sent me two right brackets :)

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.dell.com/hybrid

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wagnerrp:

ive seen pictures of them before, never looked into them much

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iamlindoro_:

more or less similar hardware to a mac mini with a tiny bit more oomph, HDMI+audio, and about 10% larger

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iamlindoro_:

similarly quiet and small, good enough power for all but HD-PVR CBR stuff

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wagnerrp:

'includes blu-ray accelerator card'?

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wagnerrp:

the X3100 now has video acceleration in windows?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: I guess so

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: did you manage to get a dell at a discount price

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: yes, an $869 system for $320

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dustybin:

feekkin hek

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dustybin:

jeeze

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wagnerrp:

how did you pull that one off?

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: was $400-something at their outlet store, plus 20% off coupn

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dustybin:

i heard a rumour about leaky capacitors on those dells?

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: not that I've heard of

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wagnerrp:

woohoo! steam finished downloading

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dustybin:

well google would reveal if there was a problem

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: you're the one that mentioned it, if you've got something to say, *you* google it

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dustybin:

aye

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dustybin:

this is the 1st time ive ever got NFS permissions working properly, every client writes with the same userid and group, making everything tidy

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dustybin:

and now its also secure

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iamlindoro_:

No such thing as secure NFS

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wagnerrp:

well its generally good practice to keep userids and groups identical between your machines

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: well, the permissions are 'secure'

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: its hard to achieve that, especially with os x

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wagnerrp:

the permissions are secure, until someone spoofs themselves as root

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wagnerrp:

unless you block root access on the shares

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: no_root_squash

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wagnerrp:

of course they could also just spoof themselves as the user

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fuxxy:

hmm

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dustybin:

im not so concerned about security on my LAN, its more of a tidy thing

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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dustybin:

my mac os x user was using dialout as the group

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dustybin:

what a mess

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wagnerrp:

nfs just has no authentication to confirm that you are who you say you are

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dustybin:

aye

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wagnerrp:

so any sense of security is wholly false

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dustybin:

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