Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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gbee:

wagnerrp: something like the netceiver would definately interest me in the long term, but I'd rather just get a Nova-HD-S2–500 ;)

[00:02:36]

wagnerrp:

well except for the lack of S2 support, or has that been added on 0.22?

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gbee:

s2-api support should be added soon enough

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gbee:

I can't see 0.22 being released without s2

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janneg:

abqjp: I haven't tried the firmware update code, so my device is still intact and I use it only for development

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janneg:

a second device is not (yet) needed ;), thanks

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janneg:

If I were using the hd pvr regularly for recording, I'm pretty sure the driver and mythtv support would be better

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abqjp:

:-p

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fuxxy:

Where is the configuration for running commands when a remote button is pressed

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iamlindoro_:

~/.mythtv/lircrc

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fuxxy:

hmm

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fuxxy:

I did that...

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fuxxy:

I must have borked the config

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brat239:

Hey, I have just installed mythtv, everything works fine, I have scanned for all available channels and I can watch one of them. However, if I press UP or DOWN, it just says "Unknown ..." at the bottom of the screen. What did I do wrong?

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iamlindoro_:

You didn't set up listings information

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brat239:

Do I have to do that in backend setup?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: where exactly, if I may ask? Can't find it

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iamlindoro_:

"Video Source"

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iamlindoro_:

but if you don't know, then you haven't read the manual and really really ought to

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: my country isn't listed

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: OK

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iamlindoro_:

looks like you are in germany?

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iamlindoro_:

read the manual, XMLTV is available for .de

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brat239:

Okay, thanks

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iamlindoro_:

you are welcome

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iamlindoro_:

may be as simple as installing your distro's package for xmltv

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iamlindoro_:

at which point the tv_grab_de will usually just show up in mythtv-setup

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iamlindoro_:

but there is more to it (usually requires that the grabber script be configured first)

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iamlindoro_:

so you stil lneed to check out the manual and possibly a man page for tv_grab_de

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Aquahallic:

Evenin' folks

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janneg:

the only problem is there is no tv_grab_de* in current xmltv

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janneg:

the only working option is tv_grab_eu_epgdata which requires a subscription

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, yep, I borked lircrc..

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iamlindoro_:

janneg, ew, stinks :)

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iamlindoro_:

erm :(

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Aquahallic:

Using mythphone and registering to pulver.com correctly.. when I dial 613 (test call number) I hear a clicking approx. every second... this happens on several frontends that I have.. and one is also on another network... anyone know if this is a known problem or has anyone else experienced this??

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iamlindoro_:

janneg, How long has xmltv been without a _de?

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, if I modify lircrc, what needs to be done for the changes to take effect?

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iamlindoro_:

fuxxy, just restart the frontend

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, ok

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fuxxy:

these commands arent working

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iamlindoro_:

time to start reading the lirc wiki page then

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wylie:

its been a while since i've been on irc. many people running the latest svn?

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iamlindoro_:

svn trunk? Svn .21-fixes? SVN .18? SVN .19-fixes?

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wylie:

trunk

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iamlindoro_:

Some of us, but by far not the majority.

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GreyFoxx:

trunk works great for me for the most part

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wylie:

i'd been running trunk until the qt4 switch — then ran into problems and moved back to a stable changeset. is trunk stable enough again to run

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, as long as you don't poke it in silly ways, it can be expected to wrok pretty nicely

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GreyFoxx:

lossless transcodes are my only "big" issue and I haven't tried last nights fixes for those

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iamlindoro_:

yes, it's head and shoulders above where it was in the first few months after the QT4 switch

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iamlindoro_:

or even a month ago

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wylie:

so if i didn't mind running svn trunk for the last 6 years, i won't mind now?

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iamlindoro_:

still has all the caveats of running development myth, but not half bad

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wylie:

:)

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, probably fine for you :)

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wylie:

sold. i'll install the builds i made an hour ago. thx for feedback

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iamlindoro_:

Spots of heavy development at the moment are "anything UI" but especially MythVideo

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iamlindoro_:

but the backend itself has been damn solid for me (haven't had a backend crash in a few months, while updating two or three times a week)

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: So I'll have no chance to watch more than one program because tv_grab_de* is not in the current xmltv, which I need?

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wagnerrp:

hard drive prices seem to have gone up

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iamlindoro_:

brat239, from what janneg said, sounds like you'd need a subscription to whatever feeds tv_grab_eu_epgdata

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wagnerrp:

cheapest 750 on newegg is $95

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wylie:

that's all that matters. as long as my wife's shows records. otherwise i get flack. hah

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: how come I don't need that when I run that card under windows?

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iamlindoro_:

brat239, if you are using a digital source you can also enable EIT and hope for the best

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wylie:

all good to hear, thanks again iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

brat239, what does the OS have to do with anything? You can watch TV all you like, but if you want listings, you need a listings source

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wagnerrp:

Aquahallic: you do know that pulver went pay-only a couple months ago right?

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iamlindoro_:

wylie, no problem, enjoy

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: iirc a year, maybe more

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Aquahallic:

wagnerrp: I did pay for the sub

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Aquahallic:

wagnerrp: are you using it?

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wagnerrp:

nope, let my account lapse when they started chargine

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wagnerrp:

i had never used it before then anyway

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: Oh, I think this is a misunderstanding on my part. So sorry for wasting your time. What my problem is, that when I hit the UP and DOWN keys, the channel always stays the same. it does not change

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Aquahallic:

wagnerrp: did you get that popping noise when you called the test number?

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wagnerrp:

so there was no point to paying for it

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janneg:

brat239: just press return

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iamlindoro_:

^^^ what he said

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brat239:

janneg: lol ...

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brat239:

thank you

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** brat239 should really read the manual **

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iamlindoro_:

That's what *I* said ;)

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wagnerrp:

never tried using mythphone, but i didnt have problems with other softphones

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: EIT is usually useable in germany

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brat239:

iamlindoro_: Sorry, it's already close to 3 am here and I wanted to get *one* thing done before going to bed... I guess I didn't think enough

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Aquahallic:

wagnerrp: yeah I use ekiga and don't have the problem... but I really like the mythphone cause the kids can use it up north and I can talk to them..and they can run it from the remote

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iamlindoro_:

janneg, lucky you guys :) If we would ever respect standards over here maybe we'd have the same :)

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janneg:

brat239: if you want to change the behaviour it's an option called "browse mode"

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janneg:

iamlindoro_: it is only one week of data and some channels have only 4 days

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iamlindoro_:

janneg, Better than my three channels with 24 hours worth

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janneg:

it's not compareable with schedulesdirect data quality wise

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iamlindoro_:

Well yeah, SD is worth every penny

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iamlindoro_:

but really the *only* option for most of us

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iamlindoro_:

ie you can have nothing at all, or you can have a good service. No cheap/free middle ground

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janneg:

some stupid channels ommit deliberately episode titles

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brat239:

hmmm... my audio sounds crappy (and like it's running at twice the normal speed), plus I get a lot of "2008-10–22 02:47:23.175 NVP: prebuffering pause" followed by "2008-10–22 02:48:06.742 WriteAudio: buffer underrun"

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janneg:

brat239: that's a DVB mpeg channel?

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brat239:

no, analog TV...

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brat239:

(still)

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: in the UK we get 7 days' worth of nice EIT data and free xmltv listings. but we're the USA's puppy dog :(

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Ah, but we send you all our nice TV

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justinh:

brat239: I'm guessing you're using software encoding – i.e. not DVB/firewire/IPTV & not a nice hardware encoding tuner card

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janneg:

brat239: please check if your pc is fast enough

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justinh:

brat239: that being the case try adjusting your recording profiles to use a sample rate of 48khz rather than the default of 32khz

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justinh:

from what I've heard round here it's usually something to do with recording profiles when the audio sounds all chipmunk-ish

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justinh:

that or your alsa config has issues playing back audio recorded at 32khz

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janneg:

justinh: good idea, some alsa drivers have problems with sample rate != 48 or 44.1 khz

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: yeah, but only some of it is worth watching :)

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janneg:

good night

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justinh:

g'night

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iamlindoro_:

night janneg

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justinh:

me, I've already had a couple of hours sleep so my body is like WHEEEEEEE it's time to wake up feeling very thirsty & you ain't gonna get back to sleep easily nosir

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dustybin:

justinh: throw in a arbitrary refrain, then go back to the rotation riff

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brat239:

YAY :D it works

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brat239:

thank you

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justinh:

dustybin: ruh?

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iamlindoro_:

it's the drugs speaking again

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justinh:

you mean help one guy, then go back to being mister nasty pasty?

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Dagmar:

Not all questions are equal

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justinh:

incidentally I never did get to the bottom of my investigation today. silly init script snafu prolly. mythbackend stopped this morning – last thing in the log was a witterring about not being able to find $HOME. init script is running mythbackend as root/mythtv user (?) & mythbackend started up normally again without any issues. like wth?

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justinh:

by that I mean $USER is set to 'mythtv' in the init script, not sure what that does exactly & ps reckons mythbackend is running as root

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Dagmar:

Well, it won't do a damn thing unless $USER gets put to some use

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Dagmar:

Just etting tghe variable alone will do nothing

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, I think I figured it out

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justinh:

by the look of the script all that var is used for is setting the owner of the /var/run/mythtv dir

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Dagmar:

justinh: ALthough part of the problem might be due to a faulty assumption of the nature of environments

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Dagmar:

It's only when someone has instantated a login session that typically the environment is populated with USER and HOME.

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justinh:

I assumed nothing. I don't remember where I got this init script from

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fuxxy:

I'm running gentoo, and the irexec daemon is configured to use the lircrc in /etc/lircrc.. Mythtv is configured (I think) to parse ~/.mythtv/lircrc

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Dagmar:

fuzzy: You're chaswing a red herring.

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Dagmar:

s/chaswing/chasing/;

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, huh?

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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Dagmar:

Well, for one thing, there's only VERY few cases when you'd want to use both irexec and a program with native LIRC support at the same time

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Dagmar:

Largely you do NOT need irexec with MythTV

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Anduin:

justinh: most offload the actual load to some common "start this daemon" function, if not the difference could be you manually calling the script vs it called during boot

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Dagmar:

...not unless you're wanting to make one of the buttons call a shell script by itself.

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, hmm

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justinh:

hrm it seems to be using su – mythtv -c "mythbackend -d"

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SpaceBass:

pretty new myth user here

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Dagmar:

justinh: Okay, that *should* get you a "normal" login environment because of the -

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justinh:

so how come ps is listing the process as being run as root?

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Dagmar:

Okay that's pretty fucked up

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justinh:

or am I missing something obvious?

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Dagmar:

I'd say because that script wasn't what started the backend

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SpaceBass:

I am able to view the streams from mythweb on any of my PCs (including PPC macs) but almost none of them will play back content via Mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

...or there's no mythtv user

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Dagmar:

...or mythbackend is suid root (insanity)

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RyeBrye:

Anyone do distcc from an x86 machine to an x86_64 host? I thought it would "just work" but apparently I'm missing something. Do I need to install an i386 or i686 cross compiler on the x86_64 machine?

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, well, I *was* making the buttons call a shell script... but mabye I could come up with something else

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Basically, as far as I know that's the case.

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justinh:

Dagmar: nah it's not suid root. I'd have had to make it that myself I think, and I ain't

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, the only reason I'm using a script is because I'm running two commands

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar – I need a cross compiler, or it should just work?

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Far as I know the target host has to be able to build for the requested arch

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Dagmar:

If the thing only compiles for x86_64 then it can't be used for x86_32 bins

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Dagmar:

...just like you couldn't use it to comile ARM or PalmOS binaries.

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** justinh smacks himself **

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justinh:

there's no mythtv user! :-O

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Dagmar:

justinh: You had an alternate execution path that easn't invoking su?

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

Heh

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Dagmar:

YEah, su is one of those things that assumes you know what you're doing

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Dagmar:

i.e., it's a bit fragile

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Dagmar:

If I could find it I'd give you the runas wrapper I wrote

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justinh:

I'll fix that bit up

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Dagmar:

runas is something you normally only find on Sun machines (afaik) but it does prett much the same thing as su – $user

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Dagmar:

It saves a bit of trouble becuse it'll carp if yhou call a user that doesn't exist

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Dagmar:

SWcooter tip: Never let a quick oil change place even try to change the oil in your scooter.

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Dagmar:

THey have no idea how

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Dagmar:

I had to show them.

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justinh:

duh. users-admin wasn't showing me mythtv. useradd mythtv reckons it can't cos the user exists already

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Dagmar:

It was funny to see oil shoot back out of the scooter.

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fuxxy:

Is this config= line in lircrc sane?

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fuxxy:

config = irsend SET_TRANSMITTERS 1 && irsend SEND_ONCE Aiwa-RC-AAR02 VOL_UP

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justinh:

weird. X resolution had changed itself

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justinh:

wtf has happened on this box?

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Dagmar:

fuzzy: It *looks asne

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: If it's working then it's probably correct

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, funny!

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure if config = will take compounded commands tho

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, that's what I'm concerned with

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Dagmar:

If you've only got the one transmitter, you might want to just use a wrapper to call it

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fuxxy:

that's the reason for using the script

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, my device has two transmitters, but only one is in use

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Dagmar:

Something that does an irsend SET_TRANSMITTER 1 and then irsend $*

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Dagmar:

Call it something like aiwasend or somesuch

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fuxxy:

this isn't stinking working

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Dagmar:

Con: Slight amounts of typing involved

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Dagmar:

Pro: More readable

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Dagmar:

Does it work when you run that from the command line?

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, yep

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Dagmar:

You *might* need to explicitly call the binary by it's full path

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iamlindoro_:

Yay, I've finished editing the last weeks shows, no more commercials. Down side? No time to watch anything now.

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro_ does comflag not work for you?

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Dagmar:

It's never all that accurate

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iamlindoro_:

RyeBrye, It does, but for archival I still do through and check the accuracy of all cuts

[01:24:09]

iamlindoro_:

well, and anything on CBS is always jacked

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RyeBrye:

yeah, if I'm going to mytharchive something I'll manually edit stuff as well

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iamlindoro_:

ewww, no mytharchive, I don't transcode at all (aside from lossless)

[01:26:21]

iamlindoro_:

remove commercials, watch once to verify, then into Mythvideo

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jpabq:

iamlindoro_, what theme do you use?

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jpabq:

OSD theme

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, blootube

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iamlindoro_:

Keep meaning to swap back to metallurgy, just haven't gotten around to it

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jpabq:

Ah. I really like metallurgy, but it's "cursor" for editing is almost impossible to see.

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, ah, it's been a while so I don't recall

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jpabq:

Should be easy to fix. I just have not looked into it. I don't even have gimp, or anything, installed right now.

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jpabq:

My other complaint with the metallurgy OSD, is the font size is too big. But that is also easy to fix.

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jpabq:

iamlindoro_, you should go tell linuxguy123 that if he "just wants to watch tv", then maybe Myth is not the right app for him.

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, I'm not the right person to send gentle messages

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jpabq:

Exactly!

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iamlindoro_:

Besides, he wants something he can steal catellite in

[01:35:00]

iamlindoro_:

er satellite

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jpabq:

Oh? I had not bothered to read most of that thread.

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justinh:

ruh? looks like most of this init script is commented out

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iamlindoro_:

jpabq, you have to connect the dots from his original messages in -users

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_abbenormal:

then most surely he is not needing help

[01:36:00]

iamlindoro_:

If you google his STB you realize he's a yarrrrrpirate

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Dagmar:

I'd just leave it at "If all you're wanting to do is 'watch TV' then MythTV is egregious overkill. You should use TVTime."

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jpabq:

ah. I do a lot of filtering purely based on subject line. Means I don't read a lot of those emails.

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iamlindoro_:

yeah, me too, just happened to watch that.. "FTA" is a red flag for me

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iamlindoro_:

er read that

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jpabq:

A fair number of users at work leave the subject line blank. Then they get upset when I tell them I never saw their email.

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Dagmar:

Give 'em a link ot the old EMily Postnews stuff.

[01:38:03]

Dagmar:

Tell them flat out they're misusing mail by not setting a subject line along the lines of calling someone on the phone at 3am

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jpabq:

Heh.

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Dagmar:

Well, it's true.

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Dagmar:

No subject line == telling the reader they HAVE to read your mail to even find out if it's something they care about

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jpabq:

I agree.

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Dagmar:

Remind them that a bunch of people get upwards of 400 emails a day

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Dagmar:

If they can't triage by subject line, they'd be scrfewed

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hachi:

I'm ending up with files in /tmp from mythtv... /tmp/mythtv_ddp_iL05te/

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hachi:

and other things

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hachi:

anyone know what portion of mythtv this is?

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Dagmar:

Ah crap

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Dagmar:

I looked that up before myself and can't rmemeber what was doing it

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_abbenormal:

id tell them most spammers leave it blank so keep sending it blank and i wont have to read it thank you

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wagnerrp:

its from mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

it leaves those when it abnormally exits

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Dagmar:

Ah that's right

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Dagmar:

I pwatched it and forgot to submit it upstream (or keep the patch)

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hachi:

looks like it fails pretty often for me... wonder why I'm not getting any messages

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Dagmar:

Because it doesn't just leave that when it exits abnormally

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wagnerrp:

well its left there when something goes wrong

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wagnerrp:

i usually get them once every couple weeks

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hachi:

I don't see a cronjob set to run it

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hachi:

I guess that explains why cron doesn't email me when it fails

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Dagmar:

The backend runs it on a regular basis if you told it to (through the frontend setup menus)

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend runs it at its digression

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Dagmar:

d-i-s-c-r-e-t-i-o-jn

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Dagmar:

Minus a j or two

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fuxxy:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i spelled it wrong, and auto-correct corrected wrong

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justinh:

okay. start-stop-daemon uncommented in the init script taking the place of just running $DAEMON now, but log output is directed to the terminal I invoke the init script from :-\

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Dagmar:

Letting hte backend run it is preferable to a cron job (because cron jobs run at a fixed time).

[01:44:31]

hachi:

how do you find the problem runs in the backend log?

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wagnerrp:

whereas the backend can postpone until an idle period

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hachi:

I mean, what error message does it say

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fuxxy:

I made a simple config = echo "Hello world!" >> /test

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fuxxy:

to my lircrc, and the text doesnt show up

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iamlindoro_:

I doubt a config line will take a line like that

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Dagmar:

fuzzy: Did you restart the daemo?

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, I restarted mythfrontend.. in lircrc prog = mythtv

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, why not?

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iamlindoro_:

you can't do that especially

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Dagmar:

If you're trying to affect something irexec does, you need to restart the daemon afaik

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Dagmar:

mythfrontend is only going to pay attention to things that bind to it

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, i'm not using irexec anymore, I changed it back to mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

That's a great reason it won't work

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Dagmar:

OKay then you can't call external programs that way

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, no?

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Dagmar:

The bindings between lirc and myth ONLY send 'symbols' to mythfrontend

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iamlindoro_:

prog = irexec, and config of something that's not a long ass line, ie a single script

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fuxxy:

so I do need to use irexec after all?

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wagnerrp:

only if you want to do things outside of mythtv

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Dagmar:

If you want external commands to be run, then yes you need irexec

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fuxxy:

Dagmar, okay, give me a second

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iamlindoro_:

and *don't* bint the button elsewhere in myth

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iamlindoro_:

er bind

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iamlindoro_:

in the lircrc that is

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justinh:

is start-stop-daemon defficient in that it doesn't like passing args to mythbackend or something?

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justinh:

nope

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, so config = /usr/local/bin/surroundvolup.sh is sane?

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iamlindoro_:

probably

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hachi:

Dagmar: Are you trying to say that sometimes mythfilldatabase leaves the directory even when it succeeds? (your earlier line had confused me with the extra negative state)

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justinh:

riight. now mythtv can write to /var/log/mythtv the log output is going where nature intended

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justinh:

and mythbackend is running as the 'mythtv' user now

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Dagmar:

hachi: Yes, that's what I'm saying

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fuxxy:

iamlindoro_, hmm, it's a script, shouldnt it be ./usr/local/bin/surroundvolup.sh ? (added prevailing dot)

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justinh:

man, I swear I'll never copy another init script parrot-fashion again

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Dagmar:

I hacked some printfs in so I could see what it was trying to unlink

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hachi:

Dagmar: thanks, I'll just... blow them away or something I guess

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Dagmar:

...and got some of what amounts to "rm nofilename" in there

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hachi:

unless you think I should dig in and try to fix it :\

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iamlindoro_:

fuxxy, the dot doesn't mean a script

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Dagmar:

It took me about a half hour to figure out

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fuxxy:

grr, still nothing

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fuxxy:

even script doesnt work

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Dagmar:

Easier to just use a cron job to flush htem for now

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iamlindoro_:

fuxxy, does the script work from the shell?

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Dagmar:

fuxxy: Did you remove the leading dot?

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hachi:

what does ddp stand for?

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fuxxy:

there it goes!

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fuxxy:

didn't load the proper config again

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iamlindoro_:

the dot means "relative to the current directory"

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Dagmar:

hachi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDP

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Dagmar:

Pick one

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hachi:

no

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hachi:

I mean in the context of that filename

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iamlindoro_:

ie you run a script in the current, not-included-in-the-path directory by preceding with ./, ie "in the current directory"

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hachi:

you know, what does mythtv use the characters 'ddp' to mean?

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Dagmar:

Data DIrect P? I'm guessing

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iamlindoro_:

some context would help

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Anduin:

p is for "post"

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hachi:

the context would be files in /tmp/mythtv_ddp_Z2Upoj

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wagnerrp:

data direct post?

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fuxxy:

now both the script as well as the long-assed two commands work!

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Anduin:

wagnerrp: as in the text that is http posted via wget (going from memory)

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hachi:

WHOAH

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hachi:

these temp directories went from being like... 17kb

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hachi:

to being 65M for the last 5 days

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hachi:

prior to 5 days they were kilobytes in size

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Anduin:

Yeah, the dd data is cached there as well

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Dagmar:

I've pretty much got one for just about every day

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HRearden:

looking to build a new box and need some advice Intel dual vs. quad-core. Main thing I want to be able to do is play back HD-PVR files recorded at max bit rate. Checked out the wiki, and the quad is definitely capable. I'm guessing a 3.33ghz dual would be OK to. Is it actually better since the single core itself is faster? Using internal player are multiple cores utilized for h264?

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Anduin:

It really should clean up on a proper exit (though there are many routes that it doesn't)

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wagnerrp:

dual vs. quad makes no difference with the hdpvr

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iamlindoro_:

HRearden, you can only use a single core for the HD-PVR recordings

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iamlindoro_:

so a C2D with higher clock will be better than a lower clocked quad

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wagnerrp:

its single sliced, so until the multithreaded ffmpeg patches get synced in, single core is all you can do

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Dagmar:

MOAR MEGAHURTS != MOAR COREZ

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dustybin:

= MOAR HEATZ

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HRearden:

So if someone on HD Playback Reports says a quad core 3.0 Ghz can do max bitrate, 3.3ghz E8600 dual core should do even better then.

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Dagmar:

Yes, but only because it's got a faster core

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iamlindoro_:

Since I'm that playback report, you can ask me :)

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, yes, that ought to be fine

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wagnerrp:

the only difference is that quad is going to be able to do 3 transcoding jobs at the same time

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: have you ever thought about downgrading the size of your screen, its *massive*

[02:05:13]

iamlindoro_:

Yes, if you intend to commflag/transcode/do softraid/etc. then more cores helps

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justinh:

yay all fixed

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin, why?

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iamlindoro_:

"just 'cause?"

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HRearden:

Good. This is mainly a frontend anyway. Saved me at least $200 since I can now also go mini-itx.

[02:05:34]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: its MASSIVE, more like a cinema

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justinh:

jees how long had it just worked & I never even questioned it? bah

[02:05:36]

iamlindoro_:

why would I downgrade it now that I've got it?

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin, yes, and that's a *good* thing

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Coded1:

I have a box that I want to use as a media center, its 2.53Ghz, 512MB pc1066, 120gb hd, nvidia 6200 w/256mb ram, whats the best live cd / install cd to get my self started?

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Dagmar:

Probably Ubuntu

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onexused:

I'd like help getting audio on my tv tuner card to work. Video currently works, but I'm not getting any sound when I watch a tv channel (with an antenna attached to the coax). The card's audio device is showing up in alsamixer.

[02:06:02]

Coded1:

also I have a pinnacle pctv (for all my video inputs)

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Dagmar:

Specifically MythBuntu

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wagnerrp:

mini-itx, you probably want to run as slow a processor as you can

[02:06:15]

Dagmar:

Oh and buying a REAL tuner card won't hurt

[02:06:18]

wagnerrp:

so dual core, 2.6 or 2.8 would be better

[02:06:22]

Dagmar:

Framegrabbers kinda suck

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: ive placed my lamp behind my TV, similar to your setup, looks much nicer this way

[02:06:26]

wagnerrp:

lower speed, lower heat

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dustybin:

LESS HERTZZZ

[02:07:30]

** iamlindoro_ goes downstairs to watch Bond on his massive screen **

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dustybin:

...bond hasnt been released yet? how odd..

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HRearden:

Was planning on putting it in one of these for completely silent operation : http://www.atechfabrication.com/information/D . . . y_player.htm

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wagnerrp:

he didnt say what bond

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dustybin:

oh yep!

[02:08:06]

wagnerrp:

theres only been 21 previous bonds

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dustybin:

very clever mr wagnerrp, but not quite clever enough

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Dagmar:

HRearden: Bluray playback basically doens't happen like you'll want it to under Linux

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HRearden:

I know that — just the case.

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin, released 6 of them on Bluray today

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Dagmar:

THere's still a bit of black art to silent machines

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Anduin:

justinh: Now that things work correctly you may want to check for pesky perms issues you would likely only encounter on a reboot (like device perms set during login)

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Dagmar:

The Antec PVR case I got made a damn good start of it tho

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HRearden:

Yeah. I've gone silent with Via stuff before.

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Dagmar:

Odd. I've never been silent with VIA.

[02:09:58]

HRearden:

Damn graphics drivers now leave me with a Via Paperweight, so onto Intel.

[02:09:59]

Dagmar:

Usually I'm too busy using foul language.

[02:10:05]

HRearden:

EXACTLY!

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warthog9:

is there a way to export (I'm assuming using nuvexport) a nuv without actually transcoding it, I.E. dump the existing raw stream into a non .nuv file?

[02:10:33]

Dagmar:

VIA Chipset: It's like buying a jigsaw puzzle at the store, getting it home, and finding out all the pieces are slow

[02:10:34]

Coded1:

what kind of low power pcs are good to look into for media centers? Specifically somthing that can handle 1080p

[02:10:55]

HRearden:

Not anything with a Via chip!

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Coded1:

lol

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Dagmar:

Coded1: Fast, cheap, silent. Pick two or spend a fsckton of money

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iamlindoro_:

Coded1, If you intend for that 1080p to me high bitrate h.264, then nothing low power will do. You will need max Mhz

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iamlindoro_:

er to be

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Coded1:

still with the max mhz? I thought there would be some decent gpu's availble that could do most of that for now

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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Dagmar:

Nope.

[02:12:02]

iamlindoro_:

no hardware offload of h.264 whatsoever in linux

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wagnerrp:

there are... just not under linux

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Coded1:

that sux

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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Dagmar:

There was a Summer of COde project that showed promise, but it's now stalled

[02:12:25]

dustybin:

it really doesnt matter if linux GPU encoding comes to light, a CPU is cheaper than a high end gfx card

[02:12:31]

Dagmar:

nVidia might give us a christmas present

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HRearden:

Via drivers?

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Coded1:

the new intel procs are rumoured to have a built in gpu and north bridge as their own cores

[02:13:00]

Dagmar:

No, PureVideo support

[02:13:03]

Dagmar:

A *big* maybe

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dustybin:

Dagmar: what advantages would that have?

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justinh:

ruh? udev permissions rules say dvb devices should be owned by group 'video'

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Dagmar:

It would let us have the same accel under LInux as we do under WIndows

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justinh:

but.. ls -al /dev/dvb & it say rooty. oof

[02:13:41]

dustybin:

Dagmar: a CPU can do all the work?

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Dagmar:

justinh: THat might have been pam_console changing it

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Do all the work of what?

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justinh:

ahh that's ok. sub nodes are owned by video which mythtv is a member of

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Coded1:

whats the min processor needed for 1080p decoding?

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dustybin:

Dagmar: encoding video

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justinh:

so, fingers crossed then :)

[02:14:16]

justinh:

Coded1: 1080p what?

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Coded1:

video?

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justinh:

1080p mpeg1 ?

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Umm... no.

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wagnerrp:

Coded1: that is an ambiguous question

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Coded1:

h264

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wagnerrp:

1080p can come in all forms

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Coded1:

:)

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Dagmar:

Decoding it would get us tho

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wagnerrp:

h264 can come in all forms

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justinh:

2mbit/sec h.264 ?

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_abbenormal:

he needs to ask iamlindoro_

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justinh:

or 50mbit/sec AVC h.264 encoded in slices?

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wagnerrp:

different bitrates, different frame types, different compression

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Coded1:

i would guess blueray quality

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dustybin:

Coded1: you mean a typical bluray film or a bbc hd broadcase

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Dagmar:

That's also somewhat ambiguous

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wagnerrp:

typical bluray is ambiguous as well

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Coded1:

:P

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justinh:

about the hardest stuff to play is AVC sliced encoded video AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

it can come in high bitrate mpeg2, high bitrate mpeg4, mid bitrate mpeg4

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squish102:

Coded1 that is the toughest question to ask in this #

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Dagmar:

"Bluray" only really applies to the physical media with some loose specs as to what goes on it

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dustybin:

ok the hardest of hard on the CPU encoding for HD

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justinh:

right. perms ok I think, everything else is well with the world. now I feel tired enough to sleep

[02:16:33]

justinh:

again

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Coded1:

i guess if I wanted to set up a box to run a 1080p lcd panel and have the widest range of options in terms of video decoding

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** justinh goes to bed **

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iamlindoro_:

If you want to be "safe" you want to be on the far end of 3.0 Ghz Dual or Quad core

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iamlindoro_:

as in, greater than

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wagnerrp:

the hardest of the hard youre likely to come across is ~40mbit CABAC h264

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Dagmar:

2.4Ghz core at minimum

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wagnerrp:

far end of C2D should be able to handle that

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wagnerrp:

if properly sliced, any C2Q should be alright as well

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Coded1:

cool

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Coded1:

and how about if I want to encode in the background :D

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Coded1:

somthing with CRAY on the side?

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Dagmar:

Encode how

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iamlindoro_:

more cores, correct encoding options

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squish102:

lucky there is a cheap refurb with a quad in for sale atm

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Dagmar:

YOu generally don't want to be encoding on the CPU if you can at all help it

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Dagmar:

Transcoding fine.

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wagnerrp:

crays are generally vector machines

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dustybin:

i thought a macmini 1.8 c2d could encode 40mbit CABAC h264 ?

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Dagmar:

Not in realtime it won't

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iamlindoro_:

a 386 can do it if you want

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wagnerrp:

if you can find a h.264 encoder that runs on a vector processor, more power to you

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dustybin:

MOARZ POWERZ

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squish102:

REFURBISHED Gateway GM5485E Desktop Computer – Intel Core 2 Q6600 Quad Core Processor, 2GB DDR2, 400GB HD-RB'd $385 < if any1 is interested

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squish102:

with a dual tuner

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Dagmar:

THat would be handy for WoW

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, Dell has the Studio Hybrids refurb and on major sale

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squish102:

iamlindoro_ u have a link to that?

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iamlindoro_:

CD-drive sized little HD frontend with HDMI+audio out

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wagnerrp:

can you compile x264 for operation on a 386?

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Dagmar:

If you're going to DEll refurb land, ya might as well look for the CFF optiplexes

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Dagmar:

TINY ass case

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, http://www.dell.com/content/products/productd . . . en&s=dfh

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squish102:

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?t=968691

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Dagmar:

...only really suitable as a frontend tho

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squish102:

thanks

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Coded1:

I'm also looking into adding satelite to the media box anyone have any favourite cards?

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dustybin:

could a AMD Athlon 64 X2 3600+ Socket AM2 (2.0GHz) 512KB L2 Cache encode ~40mbit CABAC h264 ?

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wagnerrp:

not a chance

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iamlindoro_:

Got one with a 20% off coupon (since expired), Core 2 Duo 2.2 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, 250 GB hard drive... $320.

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Dagmar:

Coded1: Doesn't much matter since what you're tuning in dictates what *type* of card you get

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iamlindoro_:

All that for nearly silent, HDMI with audio, and all linux compatible. Perfect netboot HD frontend

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dustybin:

that means gbees 'HD' box is no good: http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/build/

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: my single core 2GHz A64 can do ~6mbit, if that gives you an idea

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dustybin:

bloody heck

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin, no good for what? It works perfectly for what he wants it to

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Dagmar:

CABAC encoder is HUNGRY!

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking that pure video can do ~40mbit CABAC h264 ?

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wagnerrp:

dependes

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dustybin:

what the windows users have already

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iamlindoro_:

decode? Sure. But even windows is still partial offload, not 100%

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wagnerrp:

theres various versions of purevideo

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Dagmar:

http://www.nvidia.com/page/purevideo.html

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dustybin:

ok

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Dagmar:

It's mainly for decoding.

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wagnerrp:

the 6 series can do partial offload

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Dagmar:

...not encoding.

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wagnerrp:

while the 8400 and 8500 can do nearly full offload

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dustybin:

where abouts is one likely to get 40mbit CABAC h264 ? from broadcast or blueray discs?

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iamlindoro_:

Blu-ray

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SpaceBass2:

hey folks

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dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

broadcast tops out at 20ish Mbit

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wagnerrp:

bluray and hddvd only

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Dagmar:

Maybe if you got really kinky and had some grad students around for the free labor you could use the CUDA stuff to encode

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SpaceBass2:

is there a way to stream live TV to something like VLC?

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wagnerrp:

SpaceBass2: another copy of vlc

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jdickes:

having some prolems getting xorg to display 1080p content to my new sony lcd tv, anyone have experience with that?

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Dagmar:

Yes, but that's not what Myth was written to do

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wagnerrp:

vlc can access tuner cards, and stream to other copies of vlc

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SpaceBass2:

wagnerrp, was thinking from mythbackend

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Dagmar:

It would be like using a screwdriver to jackhammer with

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wagnerrp:

there is some upnp plugin for vlc

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Dagmar:

It'll work fine, IF you duct tape a jackhammer to the screwdriver.

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squish102:

iamlindoro_ hdmi caries sound too on that thing?

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, yep

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SpaceBass2:

wagnerrp, thanks, I'll google

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wagnerrp:

cyberlink upnp plugin, i think

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SpaceBass2:

my myth backend is working great, but my front end devices seem to lack the horsepower for HD playback

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wagnerrp:

thats for recordings only, it cannot do livetv

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SpaceBass2:

although they play HD content via VLC just fine

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dustybin:

SpaceBass2: are you using mythtv internal player?

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wagnerrp:

the same HD content?

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, 40 watts with both cores going balls out, very very VERY low power at idle

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SpaceBass2:

dustybin, as part of the frontend? yes

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squish102:

looks like a winner

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iamlindoro_:

squish102, intend to make it my upstairs netboot frontend to replace a system on similar spec but much higher power draw

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iamlindoro_:

also much uglier

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dustybin:

SpaceBass2: try using mplayer instead of the internal player

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dustybin:

thats if your using mythvideo

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SpaceBass2:

wagnerrp, yes, I can play the recorded files via VLC if I mount the backend's filesystem remotely

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SpaceBass2:

dustybin, thanks ... hope its supported on OSX frontend :)

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dustybin:

ive always found the os x frontend to be buggy as hell, maybes its ok now

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Dagmar:

It has teh powah ov monnues

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Dagmar:

er munnies

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SpaceBass2:

I'll take it back up a level – my hope was to have a centralized "live TV" server ... myth may not be the answer, but I want to make sure I'm asking the right questions to find out

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wagnerrp:

what does that mean?

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Dagmar:

Maybe someone will start up an IPTV encoder project without being eaten alive by lawyers

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iamlindoro_:

Myth is a great live (or recorded) TV server... but it works best within its own ecosystem, ie using myth's frontends

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HRearden:

iamlindoro, how loud is that Dell Studio thing?

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iamlindoro_:

HRearden, very quiet. There is a deep dive review in three parts on yahoo-- quieter than the reviewer's laptop

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, and apparently the front ends require more horsepower than I have with my existing front ends

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HRearden:

you try running HD-PVR output on it?

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass2, possibly true (if you intend to be passing around blu-ray stuff, anyway)

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Dagmar:

I'd actually use the Big Buck Bunny videos for testing

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, just HD TV from over the air

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iamlindoro_:

HRearden, The Dell would need CoreAVC installed to manage HD-PVR recordings, or I would need to record in lower bitrate VBR

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Dagmar:

...especially since they go up to ludicrous bandwidth levels

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HRearden:

argh.

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass2, OTA HDTV can be done with a 2.4 Ghzish P4 and an nvidia card

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HRearden:

Guess I'll just build my own then.

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, I'm using mac minis on each of our TVs in the house ... a lot less than a 2.4ghz p4

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Dagmar:

You can always transcode them to some format you *can* play in realtime (at the cost of some disk space)

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dustybin:

mythtv .21 fixes is pretty dam stable these days, i remember the days of .20 and my nova-t 500 card....

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass, a Mac Mini is far more, not less, than a P4

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iamlindoro_:

unless you have some ancient G4

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wagnerrp:

mac minis are a lot more than a 2.4 p4

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SpaceBass2:

the do fine playing itunes HD content and other "aquired" content, but live tv has been the missing link

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wagnerrp:

most are low end c2ds

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iamlindoro_:

a 1.6 Ghz Core 2 Duo blows a 2.4 P4 out of the water

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, I have one g4, but its not in the equation

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wagnerrp:

which have a fair bit more single threaded performance of that p4

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hachi:

any of you folks know if you can have a master backend use WoL to wake up slaves?

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SpaceBass2:

the minis in question are c2d 1.66

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Dagmar:

hachi: You should be able to

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iamlindoro_:

those are far faster than a 2.4 P4

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SpaceBass2:

that means I must have another issue then

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wagnerrp:

yes, a 1.66 C2 is faster single threaded than a 2.4 P4

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SpaceBass2:

b/c they cannot play back HD live tv smoothly

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hachi:

I see a page about how to do WoL, but nothing about how to get mythtv to signal a script of mine or something to do the WoL action

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iamlindoro_:

If you are using the Mac OS frontend, there is some bug w/ 1080i content, if that's what you're seeing

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iamlindoro_:

solution, don't use Mac OS X

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, maybe that bug is the cause – good to know

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hachi:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-11.html # this has allusions to WoL, but talks about acpi

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SpaceBass2:

I already have the investment in the macs, so thats not changing any time soon... I can use the EyeTV software, but myth seemed like a "neater" approach

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Dagmar:

Well, Myth's main focus is _recording_ content

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hachi:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Wake-on-LAN # this only says how to perform WoL, not how to link into mythtv with it

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/321843

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dustybin:

do any of you guys use mythmusic?

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, thanks – I'll do some dreading

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Kill the visualizations and it works okay

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass, believe that thread contains some possible solutions, too

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SpaceBass2:

Dagmar, I'm understanding that more and more ... and maybe that rules it out of me since recording isn't as much of a goal as distributing live TV via a network

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Dagmar:

Leave 'em on and I have yet to see it last all night

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Anduin:

hachi: I don't use it but look at mythtv-setup General several pages in

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass2, you may be especially interested in the very last message in that thread

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Dagmar:

SpaceBass: Honestly for what your'e doing you'd probably be better off trying to homebrew something with VLC

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dustybin:

Dagmar: i use it to playback mt FLAC collection, never had a problem as such, think the interface needs a rework to help selecting music easier, but not sure how

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, getting there :)

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Dagmar:

dustybin: In truth

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hachi:

general?

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SpaceBass2:

Dagmar, thanks!

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hachi:

oh, yes

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hachi:

there's no info on how that is called

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Dagmar:

I've SO considered writing a new interface with Gtk::Perl

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hachi:

it's just 'a command'... I can't find any docs, not even context docs

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hachi:

do I put %s in it for a hostname or something?

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SpaceBass2:

the other option is to use both MyTV and my the Elgato EyeTV software to control the HDHomeRun – but for some reason myth doesnt let go of the HDHR if its not in use

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Dagmar:

Every time I get close ot that point tho I wind up going back and cleaning up the tags on hundreds of my mp3s

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dustybin:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass, there is a backend option in mythtv-setup to release DVB cards when not in use

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, thanks

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Dagmar:

I've only got 20 or so CDs left to reencode as VBR with LAME

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dustybin:

mythstream is a disaster interface, but it works, just about

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iamlindoro_:

np

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SpaceBass2:

thanks everyone – learned a lot in a short 5 mins ... looking forward to reading/learning more

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Dagmar:

s/disaster/atrocity/;

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dustybin:

LOL

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Dagmar:

Seriously.

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Dagmar:

It violates just about every aspect of sane UI design without actually putting open rectums all over the screen at random.

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iamlindoro_:

I like Mythmusic, okay. I am okay with just queuing up a list, turning on visualizations, and walking around doing housework, I'm not the type to futz too much

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wagnerrp:

mythgoatse!

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Dagmar:

Select somethingt, nothing happens on the display, switch to another view and then what it's doing may or may NOT snap you back to the original instrution that it just completed

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Dagmar:

That's just BAD

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Dagmar:

UI interactions should always result in an instant change to the display, if for no other reason than to let the user know the interface was actully paying attention.

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Dagmar:

THey should NOT result in a change to the display only after the instruction has completed

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hachi:

also, why does the master backend need to have a capture device defined?

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Dagmar:

UNtil I figured out that I had to sit there and do nothing for an indeterminate period of time after selecting something in MythStream I thought it was just beyond useless

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Dagmar:

hachi: Because it isn't capturing anything without one

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hachi:

uh huh

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Dagmar:

...and that's kinda the task that everything else hangs off of

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hachi:

I have to admit, I never saw that rule till now

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hachi:

and my setup works fine

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Dagmar:

It's like seatbelts

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hachi:

so... your statement can't be right

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Dagmar:

EVerything works until you do the one thing that causes them to matter.

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Dagmar:

..and then POOF you're through the windshield

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hachi:

that's not answering my question though

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hachi:

I'm not asking why I have to wear seatbelts

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dustybin:

i wonder what clev has been up to...

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Dagmar:

hachi: What I'm saying is that things MAY work fine until something happens that would acgtually involve the nonexistant tuner card

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Dagmar:

THen BANG.

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hachi:

but what would that be?

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hachi:

I mean, why is it a documented rule

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Dagmar:

dustybin: Probably liquid cooling hard drives or something

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SpaceBass2:

iamlindoro_, one more question – any idea what that "release tuners" is called? I cannot find documentation on it

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Dagmar:

hachi: Because coding requires logic

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hachi:

you're not giving me the reason though, you keep saying there is one, but not what it is

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Dagmar:

...and if the logic involved an assumption that the master backend WILL have a tuner and it deoesn't...

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iamlindoro_:

SpaceBass2, Something like the plain english description of what it is, can't recall

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Dagmar:

It's like a typewriter that might not have a hard stop at the right margin

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dustybin:

are there any female developers involved with mythtv?

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hachi:

allusion isn't what I'm looking for

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Dagmar:

So long as you're typing most of a line and hitting return at the right intervals you're fine.

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Dagmar:

If you want something specific then read the source code.

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hachi:

using similie to try and make me understand isn't going to help. I'm trying to find the technical reason

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin, what would it matter if there were?

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: just curious

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hachi:

sure, I guess I can read the code, but I was hoping someone knew, that's why I asked

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hachi:

I figure someone has to know

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hachi:

someone wrote it, after all

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Dagmar:

If you can't assume the master backend has a tuner then how can you assume ANY backends have a tuner

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hachi:

if no backend has a tuner, then there are no inputs, nothing to schedule

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Dagmar:

The backend's primary job is to record stuff, not just act as a slave

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hachi:

actually, the master is what I want to use to wake up the slaves... as there is documentation saying you can do this

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hachi:

back to my first question

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Anduin:

hachi: many restrictions are historic, at one point all the backend really did was record, I don't know if there is still a technical reason the master needs an encoder card

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Anduin:

hachi: You could test by using the secret fake encoder from a dummy file though

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hachi:

oh, it works fine

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hachi:

I've got two slaves with encoders, and a master with none

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hachi:

but when I saw those docs, I was trying to figure out what's broken that I haven't noticed

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jams:

hachi- did you ask about this yesterday as well?

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hachi:

I don't think so

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hachi:

unless you mean the WAake on lan stuff

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jams:

ok, just wondering. Must have been somebody else then

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hachi:

I probably did ask about that about 20 hours ago

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iamlindoro:

Zoinks. Whatever that was, don't ever do that.

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Dagmar:

hehe

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hachi:

iamlindoro: no ^Z for you :D

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jams:

hachi- no the MBE without tuner question

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Dagmar:

Deleting /proc/kcore does not free up disk space

[02:53:01]

iamlindoro:

Got back up just in time to record Fringe, but barely

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hachi:

I had an argument once with someone cause they thought that because I had a machine being a master, therefore it's convenient and appropriate for me to put my encoder cards into it, but this was a long while ago

[02:53:15]

hachi:

like, months

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xv6800:

can someone please help fixing my sql database problem?

[02:54:06]

jams:

hachi- i helped someone yesterday with a similiar question. Don't remember who it was but thought it might have been you. Guess not

[02:54:19]

hachi:

jams: did they have problems with it, or was it something else?

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xv6800:

seems like I screwed up something and now program can't access database.

[02:54:32]

hachi:

or, do you even know, I don't want to press the issue more

[02:54:41]

hachi:

Anduin's answer is hopeful to me

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jams:

hachi- wanted to know if it was possible thats all

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iamlindoro:

K, Live and Let Die is officially the largest BluRay movie I've seen yet

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dustybin:

Dagmar: did you get your IBM firewall working, im using a old PIII box: FreeBSD firewall 6.2-RELEASE-p11 FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p11 #0: Sun Feb 24 16:32:58 EST 2008 sullrich@builder6.pfsense.com :/usr/obj.pfSense/usr/src/sys/pfSense.6 i386

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hachi:

xv6800: I know mysql pretty well, do you want to start off with the error you see, what program is unable to contact the DB?

[02:56:03]

Dagmar:

dustybin: Yeah weeks agoa ctually

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xv6800:

hachi thanks.

[02:56:10]

hachi:

like, are you talking about all of your mythtv stuff, or just the backend, or just the frontend, or etc.

[02:56:19]

hachi:

take note, you shouldn't paste things in here

[02:56:21]

xv6800:

here is what I did.. AND now I know I did something wrong.

[02:56:21]

Dagmar:

I've yet to do jack or squat about putting MRTG graphs on the screen tho

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hachi:

use pastebin instead

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xv6800:

I issued following command it says on web and next thing I know is back-end stop working so front-end.

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dustybin:

im not afraid about putting bank details over wireless when using VPN :)

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xv6800:

grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"192.168.0.%" identified by "mythtv";

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hachi:

dustybin: you scare me

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dustybin:

why

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iamlindoro:

xv6800, in addition to granting users on 192.168.0.* privileges, that also changes your password

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hachi:

xv6800: find your mysql.txt files and make sure the password in them says 'mythtv'

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iamlindoro:

as in "identified by 'mythtv';"

[02:58:04]

hachi:

there may be one in /etc, or one in the mythtv home directory, or other things

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xv6800:

yeah I tried that too.

[02:59:14]

iamlindoro:

also ~/.mythtv/config.xml

[02:59:17]

hachi:

dustybin: oh, I misread that

[02:59:57]

hachi:

I'm actually fine with that too, I use ssh though :)

[03:01:13]

xv6800:

thanks hachi I think that fixed that... now hope front-end works.

[03:01:32]

hachi:

if frontend doesn't work, check the file that iamlindoro said

[03:01:41]

dustybin:

hachi: i could turn off WPA and still be safe

[03:01:47]

hachi:

they're the intellegent one

[03:01:48]

hachi:

not me

[03:02:06]

xv6800:

ok.

[03:02:18]

xv6800:

let me reboot and see right now it is complaining back-end is already running or something.

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hachi:

whoah

[03:02:59]

hachi:

rebooting to fix things is so weird to me :)

[03:03:10]

hachi:

(except nfs... in linux pre 2.6.25)

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hachi:

mythtv speaks http on 6544?

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jams:

hachi- yes

[03:06:55]

wagnerrp:

all it has is the one page

[03:07:07]

hachi:

I never knew

[03:07:38]

xv6800:

thanks now it is it seems like back-end got fixed.

[03:07:42]

wagnerrp:

thats where the backend status page comes from (or at least its a duplicate of it)

[03:07:43]

xv6800:

front-end is running but

[03:07:54]

xv6800:

it is no longer locking signal.

[03:08:01]

xv6800:

It stuck at Partial Lock.

[03:08:21]

xv6800:

so it must created or deleted something in other try.

[03:08:30]

xv6800:

got it going. thanks a lot.

[03:08:40]

xv6800:

I gotta learn mysql ;0

[03:08:45]

hachi:

sure sure, have fun

[03:08:53]

xv6800:

thanks a lot again.

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xv6800:

how can I put back old complex password?

[03:09:49]

xv6800:

alter user mythtv identified by complexpassword ?

[03:09:55]

xv6800:

and change both config files?

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hachi:

no, just the grant line you said earlier

[03:10:20]

wagnerrp:

delete the entries from the mysql.user table, and create new grants

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hachi:

er, that too

[03:10:37]

** hachi hushes up **

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xv6800:

thanks reboot time again.

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Aquahallic:

evenin' folks

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Aquahallic:

anyone been able to successfully call from a mythphone to a mythphone and have it connect... it seems if I call from my ekiga to a mythphone it connects but no audio from me on their end.. if I call from my mythphone to thier mythphone my mythphone shows connected but theirs sits at connecting and then says "No active calls"

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clev:

woot~!!!

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clev:

mythbackend had trouble connecting to mysql so now its stuck in another inf loop demanding for config

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hachi:

I had that happen a few days ago

[04:06:08]

hachi:

I found my mysql.txt was overwritten with something incorrect

[04:06:18]

hachi:

(no clue how it ended up like that)

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clev:

my mysql.txt is perfectly fine and it was running for days without any problem

[04:06:42]

clev:

the backend had a sudden oncome of insanity durring a recording

[04:07:02]

hachi:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Man . . . Lan_settings # :\

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leop:

Hi guys, I'd like to know one thing xmltv it's more like a tv_guid to your local channels correct

[04:07:52]

Anduin:

leop: Yes, it provides schedule information, presumably you would be most interested in what you receive

[04:08:08]

clev:

urusai! urusai! urusai!

[04:08:30]

clev:

(wrong key)

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leop:

good so it's got nothing with scanning the channels via TV_Tuner

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iamlindoro:

Nothing besides some listings source (even if it's the "no listings" source) must be attached to the card in mythtv-setupto allow a channel scan

[04:09:55]

Anduin:

leop: correct, though if you have standard frequencies it could be that as well (where a scan would not be required)

[04:10:40]

leop:

I connect TV_Cable to my TV_Tuner which was detected as Analog V4L when I do channels scan for australia freq table I get no signal

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wylie:

iamlindoro_ still around?

[04:11:09]

iamlindoro:

Mythtv does not detect your card

[04:11:26]

iamlindoro:

analog V4l is simply the first card type in the list, *not* an auto-detect

[04:11:29]

iamlindoro:

wylie, yep

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leop:

when I go to capture card it says Analog V4L capture card Bt878 ***Unknown Genere** or somthing

[04:12:17]

wylie:

i haven't run the install yet with trunk. think i will be positively surprised by anything new/good/improved? I'm debating stable vs bleeding edge, the latter my pref

[04:12:45]

wylie:

i just don't want to deal with my wife — i have to work tomorrow – not fix the tv. :)

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Anduin:

never assume things will work well when it matters

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iamlindoro:

wylie, likely *something* will surprise you, but TBH I have lost track of when things have gone in, I update several times a week-- the commit log is likely to be more enlightening than I am

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iamlindoro:

I personally wouldn't go from stable->trunk when you don't have a few hours to iron out any mischief

[04:13:50]

hachi:

how does a master backend determine 'idle'... cause mine will never be idle-idle

[04:14:25]

wylie:

i can iron out a little mischief. that's ok. that used to be my update cycle (a few times a week) – it sounds like the most of it is worked out. i'm not on stable — i just held at a particular changeset from trunk

[04:14:30]

leop:

so why there's no signal ?

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clev:

leop: you need to load the bttv driver with the right arguments for your card

[04:15:12]

Anduin:

leop: does it work in your favorite other TV watching program?

[04:15:19]

hachi:

shutdown/wakeup options and backend wakeup settings... are those global or per backend? Some of them specifically name the master, and that's fine

[04:15:41]

clev:

hachi: i think they are global, and off by default

[04:15:52]

hachi:

so the slave backend wake command

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leop:

it works but on win***s

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hachi:

how does it know which slave to wake up?

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Anduin:

hachi: set them, then look at the settings table, hostname set = local

[04:16:07]

clev:

hachi: i also beleive theres a field to enter a custom status script it will call to check thats its ok to shutdown

[04:16:22]

leop:

do I modprobe bttv

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iamlindoro:

This isn't windows

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leop:

:):)LOL

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clev:

leop: you need to modprobe with special flags for your card, find the bttv gallery and find your card

[04:16:53]

hachi:

clev: that thing only happens on the master as far as I can tell

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hachi:

I want to shut down the slaves, but not the master

[04:17:10]

hachi:

so I don't see how to send a result saying master doesn't go down, slaves do

[04:17:32]

clev:

hachi: i want 2 of my slaves to be able to shutdown when idle but the rest stay on, but i havent bothered with the setup yet

[04:17:33]

leop:

clev:how do I find the bttv gallery ?

[04:17:43]

clev:

leop: theres a new invention called google

[04:17:45]

iamlindoro:

google?

[04:17:52]

iamlindoro:

if you've never heard of google, then google google

[04:17:52]

leop:

ah ok

[04:18:02]

hachi:

they've been in beta for about 10 years now

[04:18:07]

hachi:

it's a pretty good search engine

[04:18:08]

iamlindoro:

if you don't know how to google, check the wiki on how to google, then google google

[04:18:09]

leop:

I'll googleIT then

[04:18:43]

iamlindoro:

If you've never heard of a wiki, then finger yahoo, go to their gopher page, search for wiki, look up google on the wiki, and then google google

[04:19:00]

clev:

lol:)

[04:19:03]

wagnerrp:

they still run finger and gopher daemons?

[04:19:09]

iamlindoro:

probably not

[04:19:13]

iamlindoro:

but what the hell

[04:19:16]

leop:

is gopher still a live:)

[04:19:21]

clev:

ive never even used gopher

[04:19:32]

leop:

I used in 1997

[04:21:18]

wagnerrp:

well shit

[04:21:28]

iamlindoro:

apparently there are 125 servers

[04:21:33]

iamlindoro:

per wikipedia

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wagnerrp:

i want to move my APs over to a different network, and have clients vpn into the main network

[04:21:49]

wagnerrp:

i was going to move one of them over now for testing

[04:21:55]

wagnerrp:

i have no idea which one is which

[04:22:26]

clev:

thats allways fun

[04:23:04]

iamlindoro:

If anyone was thinking of getting AnyDVD Hd, btw, it's 20% off through the 26th

[04:23:11]

wagnerrp:

i suppose i can go into the basement, start pinging ips, and pulling cables

[04:23:30]

clev:

wagnerrp: send a ping flood and watch the lights?

[04:23:59]

iamlindoro:

ethtool, screw pingfloods

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clev:

ethtool doesnt work on firmware based AP's with stock firmware

[04:25:24]

iamlindoro:

But clever, I know you'd never leave anything alone ;)

[04:25:38]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, however, may be wise enough to let things do their job

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clev:

just because i screw with my shit doesnt mean wagnerrp also does :P

[04:26:03]

wagnerrp:

of course this is all freebsd where ethtool doesnt exist anyway

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, wow, really?

[04:26:22]

wagnerrp:

besides, wagnerrp is not wise enough to have labelled all this shit years ago when he installed it

[04:26:24]

iamlindoro:

Though for sure it would exist at least there

[04:26:30]

iamlindoro:

er thought

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wagnerrp:

everything in ethtool (or at least the important stuff) is included in ifconfig

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clev:

i dont lable much either

[04:27:05]

clev:

but the ports in the main switch are named under the cacti graphs

[04:27:27]

wagnerrp:

you have a managed switch?

[04:28:14]

clev:

IOS (tm) C2900XL Software (C2900XL-C3H2S-M), Version 12.0(5.2)XU, MAINTENANCE INTERIM SOFTWARE

[04:28:19]

clev:

cisco WS-C2912-XL (PowerPC403GA) processor (revision 0x11) with 8192K/1024K bytes of memory.

[04:28:48]

clev:

myswitch uptime is 4 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes

[04:29:15]

iamlindoro:

For some reason switch uptime doesn't have much punch, now does it?

[04:29:24]

clev:

it also hac a mac table that tells me the port for every mac

[04:29:28]

iamlindoro:

on the other hand, it may be the only thing in clever's house that can stay up that long

[04:29:58]

clev:

01:29:58 up 67 days, 2:56, 31 users, load average: 1.28, 1.62, 2.46

[04:30:01]

** iamlindoro readies himself from the flood of pastes from all of clever's systems **

[04:30:02]

hachi:

clev: how do you ask it uptime?

[04:30:02]

iamlindoro:

YES

[04:30:04]

iamlindoro:

called it

[04:30:05]

clev:

(9 weeks)

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iamlindoro:

clev, so predictable

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hachi:

I dunno what IOS command gives uptime

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clev:

iamlindoro: that wasnt a flood and it technicaly wasnt a paste :P

[04:30:38]

iamlindoro:

clev, nonsense

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clev:

hachi: show version

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clev:

iamlindoro: it was /exec -o uptime

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iamlindoro:

you absolutely pasted that, certainly didn't copy it

[04:31:00]

iamlindoro:

(by hand)

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clev:

the irc client ran the command and piped the output to irc on its own

[04:31:07]

iamlindoro:

you are lame

[04:31:16]

hachi:

IOS (tm) C2950 Software (C2950-I6Q4L2-M), Version 12.1(13)EA1, RELEASE SOFTWARE (fc1)

[04:31:18]

iamlindoro:

almost as lame as dustybin, but not quite

[04:31:44]

hachi:

Tabitha uptime is 8 weeks, 6 days, 7 hours, 54 minutes

[04:31:46]

iamlindoro:

you do both have the same tastes in sheisty hardware, though

[04:31:55]

strex-work:

lol

[04:31:59]

hachi:

come on, a 2950 is great

[04:32:02]

hachi:

it's not gigabit

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iamlindoro:

hachi, I'm not even speaking to you

[04:32:08]

hachi:

but for the fact that it was free, I'm happy

[04:32:11]

hachi:

oh, sorry

[04:32:15]

iamlindoro:

(or about you)

[04:32:16]

** hachi hides **

[04:32:16]

clev:

hachi: mine was also free :P

[04:32:38]

** iamlindoro had 2900s ten years ago... when they were good. **

[04:32:48]

iamlindoro:

well, aybe more like 7

[04:32:51]

iamlindoro:

maybe

[04:32:59]

clev:

ive been using it for maybe 3 years

[04:33:23]

hachi:

AT&T is still using 2950's in their SoNET ring setup here in the bay area

[04:33:41]

clev:

i see files that where last changed in 1993 and 1969, though i think the cllock was screwed up

[04:33:53]

iamlindoro:

Telcos always have tons of legacy crap, not surprising

[04:34:14]

iamlindoro:

most of the stuff that runs telephone service in a give city is likely older than everyone in the room

[04:34:17]

iamlindoro:

er given

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clev:

iamlindoro: some telco's convert the data to voip at the central office

[04:35:05]

clev:

and there has to be atleast one person in this room in his 40's :P

[04:35:16]

iamlindoro:

clev, not in the majority of COs they don't

[04:35:35]

iamlindoro:

some, sure, but most? Not even close.

[04:35:55]

clev:

but the data can only exit at another voip<->pots station

[04:36:18]

clev:

so if you dont live in one of those special citys, it would need to transfer to a normal analog line half way there

[04:38:50]

hachi:

http://hachi.kuiki.net/notes/2008/10/mythtv.html # I made mahself a page of my mythtv setup... notes... crap

[04:38:59]

iamlindoro:

Mmmm, 5 of 6 new bond flicks in 1080p, now living in MythVideo... not a bad night's work

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clev:

hachi: weird, i thought mysql had to also be running in the right timezone

[04:42:30]

wagnerrp:

the last one isnt in 1080p? or hasnt been ripped yet?

[04:42:56]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, AnyDVD HD doesn't agree with Die Another Day's BD+ version (it's new) so will need to wait on a patch in a few days

[04:43:14]

iamlindoro:

no biggie, doubt I'll manage to watch more than one of them in the next few days

[04:43:23]

wagnerrp:

ah the patches... so there is a need to buy it for ripping BRs

[04:43:48]

iamlindoro:

yeah, they do a really great job of updating several times a month as they continue to change BD+

[04:44:28]

iamlindoro:

I guess they just need to disks physically onhand and they're in the Caribbean so it takes them a few extra days after the US release sometimes (althouhg most new releases don't require patches)

[04:45:08]

hachi:

key rotation stuff?

[04:45:36]

wagnerrp:

its odd that 5 of the 6 worked, but the 6th would have an updated key

[04:45:44]

iamlindoro:

Yes, new keys

[04:46:09]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yeah, weird, but I guess not unheard of (a few other TV season blu-rays had similar IIRC)

[04:46:36]

wagnerrp:

so slysoft hasnt broken bd+, theyve simply gotten hold of the key generator

[04:46:51]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, its just a standard decoder implementation

[04:47:05]

iamlindoro:

Well, in a sense you can't definitively break BD+ since it allows for constant updating

[04:47:30]

iamlindoro:

and they don't have a keygen so much as a key extractor (hence the need to possess the disks at Slysoft to add new keys)

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hachi:

it's all just a race now

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clev:

yeah ive heard that it has its own virtual machine language

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hachi:

how fast can they rotate keys

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hachi:

versus how fast can people crack them

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wylie:

i ran into the weird bug with the frontend crashing at load — due to some theme files – anyone remember which one needs to be moved around or the workaround. i'll go look in trac

[04:48:06]

clev:

hachi: i think every time you update the keys, you need to roll updates to all the legal players

[04:48:13]

hachi:

clev: yeah

[04:48:16]

hachi:

that's the funny part

[04:48:25]

hachi:

they abuse the people who are doing the right thing

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iamlindoro:

wylie, all old themes are now invalid with trunk, you will need to check out the trunk versions of tyhe core themes

[04:48:33]

hachi:

to try and slow down the people who are doing illegal things

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clev:

hachi: the computer players dont have as much of a problem, since they can dl from the web

[04:48:43]

iamlindoro:

and use only them until theme authors update theirs

[04:48:52]

clev:

hachi: the problem is if you crack a hardware players keys

[04:49:09]

hachi:

I think all hardware players are supposed to have an upgrade feature

[04:49:11]

clev:

then the 1000's of boxes become paper weights

[04:49:12]

hachi:

it's part of the spec

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clev:

how exactly do you add new keys?

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leop:

ok I found the card clev it's Conexant Fusion 878A 25878–13

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hachi:

I dunno, I only own a PS3

[04:49:55]

hachi:

which just upgrades the system to get new keys

[04:49:56]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, its not so much adding a key, as revoking one

[04:49:59]

iamlindoro:

the new disks have a BD revision number, and if it's newer than the player's, it requires a connection to the internet and update before it will play

[04:50:03]

clev:

leop: the site will tell you what else to do

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hachi:

xkcd summarizes my opinion on this whole key thing very well

[04:50:41]

clev:

iamlindoro: the simpler thing to target for breaking things, would be the update server

[04:51:02]

clev:

if you can fake being a legal player, it will happily give you new keys

[04:51:11]

iamlindoro:

clev, doubt these things come in cleartext

[04:51:21]

iamlindoro:

also doubt the keys are what's transferred

[04:51:29]

hachi:

http://xkcd.com/488/

[04:52:08]

clev:

of course :P

[04:52:08]

clev:

but even if it uses something like ssl with client certs, the client cert could be stolen

[04:52:19]

clev:

since the 'attacker' has total control ofo the 'client'

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iamlindoro:

clev, like I said, what good would a revocation list do anyone?

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iamlindoro:

doesn't help you play anything

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clev:

if you keep marking keys as invalid, youll run out of valid keys eventualy

[04:54:09]

iamlindoro:

when, in a billion years?

[04:54:10]

clev:

you need some way to roll valid keys out to old players

[04:54:28]

clev:

i thought it worked somehting like every player had a list of 20 keys that could be used to begin decoding

[04:54:53]

clev:

so if 1 is cracked, you can stop releasing disks that that key fits, and it still work with the other remaining 19 keys

[04:55:19]

iamlindoro:

I don't know for sure, but I would be shocked if it was as few as 20... regardless, that owuld only be AACS, not BD+

[04:55:45]

clev:

even if its 200, it will run out eventualy without updates on NEW keys

[04:56:00]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD%2B

[04:56:25]

wylie:

iamlindoro right — i went to grab a drink and thought that was the problem – i'm doing update of plugins and themes now

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iamlindoro:

BD+ can patch vulnerabilities, manipulate player keys, and can come on the disk itself rather than be transferred

[04:57:14]

clev:

yeah the new BD+ standard can do alot more 'fun' things

[04:57:18]

iamlindoro:

wylie, That should do it-- AFAIK none of the non-core themes have been updated for the new MythVideo

[04:57:41]

iamlindoro:

"limit playback of a Blu-Ray disc to the first device in which the Disc is played"

[04:57:43]

wylie:

what was the mythfrontend command line again to override theme. ?

[04:57:44]

iamlindoro:

that on'e extra nasty

[04:57:52]

iamlindoro:

mythfrontend -O Theme=themename

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv.cgi

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clev:

iamlindoro: how would the next device know about others?

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wylie:

ty!

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clev:

without the devices talking behind your back, or a burner in there to store session data to the disk, that doesnt sound posible

[04:58:41]

iamlindoro:

clev, no idea.. well, I guess unless (as BD+ players must have a net connection) there was a registration server

[04:58:47]

wylie:

looks like i'll have to build trunk for my mac if i want it to front-end as well. anyone know of any trunk builds for os x?

[04:59:11]

iamlindoro:

wylie, thesniperpad.com used to host some, but I don't know if they still do

[04:59:16]

clev:

iamlindoro: yeah if you register the serial# to a central server like steam does with cd keys you could do it

[04:59:41]

clev:

but then you cant play the disk if the server goes down

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iamlindoro:

clev, not that they care :)

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iamlindoro:

If they *did* do that, they'd likely host it somewhere like Akamai where there is virtually nil chance of downtime

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clev:

it also becomes a privacy problem

[05:00:53]

clev:

ooo, this guy has teletobies and porno!, send the feds after him!

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iamlindoro:

Most people are dullards and have no idea how much info they share with companies

[05:01:26]

clev:

do you want people to know how often you watch the BD+ porn?

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iamlindoro:

I get my porn the old fashioned way. On the internet.

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clev:

lol

[05:02:46]

clev:

not every pervert is tech savvy

[05:03:42]

iamlindoro:

HD porn isn't bad, actually, not as much razor burn as one would expect

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clev:

but if it has to contact a central server every time you hit play, then they know exactly what you like to watch

[05:04:43]

clev:

ive heard of PVR boxes doing that for recordings they contain

[05:05:08]

clev:

store the encrypted feed and decrypt it on demand when playing(after asking the cable co for the key)

[05:05:08]

iamlindoro:

I remove copy protection/rip just the movie files of all my HD stuff, they don't get a peep out of me :)

[05:05:24]

iamlindoro:

clev, cablecard works that way

[05:05:26]

clev:

yeah you can do that, but not everybody can :P

[05:06:02]

iamlindoro:

I do have a PS3, though, if I ever chose to use that for watching I'd be fair game

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hachi:

whooo, load avg of 8 on my backend

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clev:

hachi: load avg of 4 on my frontend and im not even trying to watch anythingn because its too laggy:P

[05:06:39]

hachi:

something is going wrong... not enough spindle time to get things done

[05:06:43]

clev:

mainly mysql

[05:07:03]

hachi:

3 of my CPU are idle

[05:07:09]

hachi:

it's all spindle wait

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clev:

i only got 1 :P

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clev:

and 44% io wait!

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clev:

things are recovering now

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wagnerrp:

thats somewhat problematic

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iamlindoro:

Whoah

[05:08:14]

iamlindoro:

who is this unbelievably hot chick on House??

[05:08:17]

hachi:

40% for me too

[05:08:21]

iamlindoro:

Do I need to start watching House???

[05:08:33]

hachi:

but one of my disks in my array is just stuck at 100%

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clev:

iamlindoro: there was a lesbo sex in the last episodo:P

[05:08:51]

wagnerrp:

well theres Olivia Wilde (thirteen)

[05:08:52]

iamlindoro:

clev, that's what I just caught

[05:08:59]

iamlindoro:

hot cat eye chick

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wagnerrp:

and her current lesbian girlfriend, Helena Barrett

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hachi:

oh bollocks, I wonder if there's a SMART test running on the disk

[05:09:52]

iamlindoro:

Damn it, I don't have time for more shows

[05:10:11]

wagnerrp:

especially when you have a 4 season backlog for that one

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hachi:

HA

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hachi:

that's it

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clev:

lol!

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clev:

i dont usualy run smart tests until something goes wrong

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hachi:

SMART Long online test running

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wagnerrp:

not so smart now are you....

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iamlindoro:

I can't even catch up on the shows I *do* watch

[05:12:15]

iamlindoro:

Hmm... mythcommflag needs a tweak

[05:12:42]

iamlindoro:

If the show starts on a commercial or ends on one, it sets a "cut right of here" or "cut left of here" on the last frame

[05:12:49]

wagnerrp:

ugh... im going to have to set up a dhcp relay, and forward the dns server

[05:12:57]

iamlindoro:

this results in one GOP worth of video being included in a lossless cut where it shouldn't

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clev:

wagnerrp: you could just run a private dhcp server for the locked down network

[05:13:33]

wagnerrp:

i would prefer to run a minimal amount of things on the firewall

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clev:

or have a private NIC on the dhcp server just for that locked down net

[05:13:36]

hachi:

Oct 22 02:11:02 rosa smartd[3277]: Device: /dev/sdc, starting scheduled Long Self-Test.

[05:14:07]

wagnerrp:

just firewall and vpn tunneling

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clev:

wagnerrp: ive got dhcp and bind running on my firewall, and if i was to put in a public network segment, id route it directly into the firewall

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wagnerrp:

im not even sure if i want to put the vpn server on the firewall

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clev:

which could bridge certain connections and vpn the rest

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clev:

bbl

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv.cgi anyone know why a second remote encoder wouldn't be showing up in this view, this is the http result of the master backend

[05:21:39]

iamlindoro:

It's mad at you for living in the Bay Area

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hachi:

the slave is running, has an encoder card, and the log on it, plus lsof shows it connected to the master just fine :\

[05:22:10]

iamlindoro:

hachi, did you just add the slave backend recently?

[05:22:16]

hachi:

days ago

[05:22:25]

hachi:

like... saturday

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iamlindoro:

have you restarted both backends in the time since?

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hachi:

seems like... possibly the master hasn't been restarted... I'll give that a go when things stop recording

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Anduin:

hachi: the master backend should have a log entry when the slave connects, do you see that?

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hachi:

which, according to that view is roughly never :\

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iamlindoro:

You need to restart the master backend the first time (or at least I've always had to when adding capture cards to the SBE)

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hachi:

okay

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Anduin:

that is true, or was last time I did it

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Anduin:

(the master "knows" which card a slave has and queries them rather than it telling the master)

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hachi:

this is just to update from the db, right?

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iamlindoro:

yep

[05:25:22]

Anduin:

yeah, the hostname bit in the card table

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hachi:

oh, eah... it must be because the slave can't really do anything without the master running

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hachi:

at least, I assume

[05:26:17]

Anduin:

It can, just not recordings (the master is the only one running the scheduler)

[05:27:28]

hachi:

do you see down in the disk usage... it lists a disk 2 on azraelle for /var/lib/mythtv

[05:27:37]

hachi:

but I don't have a storage group defined on that machine

[05:28:07]

hachi:

is there an implicit storage in /var/lib/mythtv when you don't define one?

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Anduin:

Yes

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hachi:

so, how can you get a slave to only record to a remote disk?

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Anduin:

hachi: make a mount to the same absolute location

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hachi:

I did

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hachi:

you can see it as drive #1

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hachi:

azraelle mounts /red from rosa

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clev:

hachi: in mythtv-setup on the slave, you can add/remove drives from the Default storage group

[05:29:35]

clev:

the slave will only be able to record to drives you added on it

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hachi:

the docs say it uses the global ones defined on the master

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hachi:

and the ones locally defined

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hachi:

I want the local ones to be null

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clev:

it only uses those if the local ones are missing

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Anduin:

it does, I don't define a SG on my SBE

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clev:

from what ive seen

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hachi:

the local ones are missing

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hachi:

there is no storage group defined

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hachi:

none at all

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clev:

hachi: try adding a single networked path to the slave in mythtv-setup

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clev:

then restart atleast the slave and master

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hachi:

in the storagegroups table, there is an ID column... is this a foreign key to some other table?

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hachi:

I'd query mysql... but it doesn't have a clue

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Anduin:

hachi: I can't reproduce that, mine does count the drive twice in the list but no evidence of the default

[05:38:33]

hachi:

allright, I must have something strange going on... or it's an artifact of me not upgrading yet

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hachi:

I'm working on that, but it's gonna be a few days to roll up to something recent

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Anduin:

hachi: do you see the same if you connect directly to the slave status port?

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hachi:

hah, hang on

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hachi:

I didn't think of that

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv-azraelle.cgi

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hachi:

yes I do

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Anduin:

strange, I wouldn't worry about it until recordings start going there mistakenly or if it persists after you restart things

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hachi:

it did record something to it yesterday

[05:42:46]

hachi:

but yeah

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hachi:

I need to cycle the whole setup apparently

[05:43:21]

clev:

i recently had problems with my master recording to the local drive, even though it has 40mb free

[05:43:21]

clev:

but the patch i wrote has solved that

[05:43:45]

clev:

but it still has problems

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Anduin:

hachi: did you set a storage group up and delete it?

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hachi:

I checked the table, no such thing in it... and I haven't modified that machine in a month or more

[05:44:48]

hachi:

the answer is no

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clev:

the logs help

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hachi:

but I double checked to make sure I hadn't

[05:45:23]

hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv-zeetha.cgi

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hachi:

now that's an interesting divergance from what I expect

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clev:

crap, im running with the wrong -v flags now

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hachi:

branch softpad?

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** hachi goes looking for what softpad is **

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Anduin:

hachi: I don't see how it would happen in the code, except maybe different mysql databases but other stuff should break before this.

[05:55:29]

hachi:

that... could be... I don't think it is though

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mattwj2002:

hey everyone

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hachi:

has anyone produced an ERD of the mythtv schema?

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gpd:

I am trying to rescue my myth box HDD using ddrescue — but it says rescued: 662159 kB after 12 hours out of a 500G drive – should I give up?

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wagnerrp:

what is wrong with the drive?

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gpd:

it says status: { DRDY ERR }

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gpd:

I/O errors... UNC

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mchou:

gpd: yeah, you did the right thing

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mchou:

gpd: save as much data as you can

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wagnerrp:

is there anything you need to recover? or just settings and recordings?

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mchou:

gpd: but if you dont have any 'valuable' data recovering data might not be worth it

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gpd:

i could live without the data – but would be nice to get back — some home videos that i have nowhere else

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mchou:

gpd: doh!

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wagnerrp:

no vhs copies?

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Anduin:

hachi: I don't think so, someone mentions doing something like it occasionally, I think they just get deterred by none of the work being done for them (those only look like foreign keys)

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wagnerrp:

well depending on what the cause of the error is, you can always try the refrigerator method

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Anduin:

gpd: checked cables? (yes it is silly but cheap non-locking sata cables can do weird things)

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gpd:

Anduin: yeah-- tried several and different sata – and different kernels :(

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wagnerrp:

basically, if it works for a few minutes, and then stops working, the refrigerator method might work

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wagnerrp:

from a cold boot

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gpd:

not tried a different machine -might be worth it

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hachi:

I have a tendancy to put the disk in the freezer witha very long set of wires

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hachi:

while it's running XD

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gpd:

wagnerrp: what actually is that method? – freeze in a bag in a freezer?

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hachi:

but that's /my/ luck... not yours

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gpd:

ok — might be a last ditch approach ;)

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wagnerrp:

the freezer is generally a bad idea

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wagnerrp:

you can damage the drive, you can cause condensation inside

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hachi:

so can the fridge

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hachi:

you're right though

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wagnerrp:

and it will only work for a few extra minutes anyway until the drive heats up

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hachi:

I haven't had to do that in a long time

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wagnerrp:

anything i care about anymore is backed up, so i havent bothered

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hachi:

most drives die on me by having the starter coil go bad, or the spindle gets stuck

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wagnerrp:

but i recovered an old 80GB that way

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wagnerrp:

stuck my computer next to my minifridge, stuck the drive inside, booted the machine

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wagnerrp:

it kept the drive cool, so whatever failed when it heated up, never failed

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gpd:

ok – maybe stick an ice block (in a ziplok) on top! :)

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wagnerrp:

put a towel in between

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wagnerrp:

you dont want it that cold

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wagnerrp:

just cool

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv.png

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hachi:

not too shabby with no effort so far

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hachi:

foreign keys should be easy enough to identify

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** hachi runs along with it **

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hachi:

I've just got to automate the generation of it, so it can be built against any version of mythtv easily

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hachi:

and then list all the FK rels

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wagnerrp:

are these in any meaningful grouping?

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hachi:

alphabetical order

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wagnerrp:

i mean vertical and horizontal ordering

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wagnerrp:

some columns are long, some arent

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hachi:

odd side effect, not sure yet

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hachi:

I'm gonna worry about the part that matters first :D

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hachi:

lest I be one of those bastards that suggests it and walks away

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hachi:

(like I tend to do, and hate myself for)

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mattwj2002:

hi guys

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mattwj2002:

anyone know if the http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HVR-1800 has analog support yet?

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mattwj2002:

this wiki page was updated almost a year ago

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wagnerrp:

linux, yes. mythtv, no.

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mattwj2002:

bummer

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wagnerrp:

it has full support in linux, but it is not an ivtv card, so mythtv has no method of interfacing with it

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wagnerrp:

in practice, it probably wouldnt take much effort to get it working

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wagnerrp:

but someone just has to actually do it

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mattwj2002:

anyone know of a tv tuner that has dual analog and dual hdtv with an mpeg encoder for analog?

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wagnerrp:

2250

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mattwj2002:

2250?

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wagnerrp:

hvr-2250

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wagnerrp:

dual hybrid tuner

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mattwj2002:

that works with MythTV currently

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mattwj2002:

nice

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wagnerrp:

two independent inputs, optionally analog or digital on both

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wagnerrp:

and no

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wagnerrp:

probably for the same reason as the 1800

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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mattwj2002:

maybe all I need is an analog tuner

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mattwj2002:

wagnerrp do you know of any good dual analog mpeg encoders

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mattwj2002:

?

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wagnerrp:

pvr-500

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wagnerrp:

no longer manufactured, you have to find one on fleabay

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Anduin:

wagnerrp: the analog really works on the 1800 (only seen references to soon)

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Anduin:

?

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression it was

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Anduin:

It may be, I don't follow too close, if it is just mythtv support lagging, well that should be the easy part

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wagnerrp:

basically, mythtv only supports ivtv mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 is not an ivtv card, so mythtv doesnt know what to do with it

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Anduin:

Yeah, but adding new encoders isn't that difficult, I have a failing 250 that will be replaced, if all it takes is mythtv support then a 1800 or 2250 look like a better path

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wagnerrp:

i dont have one of those cards, so this is just what ive heard

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wagnerrp:

no one with the desire to write code for mythtv has such a card to bother making it work

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mattwj2002:

yeah my 150 is toast

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mattwj2002:

:(

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mattwj2002:

yeah 500 are hard to come by

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wagnerrp:

theres a couple used ones on ebay

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Anduin:

somewhat random googling seems to indicate 2250 = not yet, 1800 analog soon (or no one updates wikis which is mostly fact except for iamlindoro who keeps trying to buck trends)

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hachi:

okay

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hachi:

now it went even weirder

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv.cgi

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hachi:

Drive #2 is listed twice

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hachi:

course, it's the same drive

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hachi:

but now it's a DIFFERENT drive than last time

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wagnerrp:

well at 3GB, why is it even in your storage directory?

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hachi:

okay, and now I restarted again and got another result

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hachi:

now it's not enumerating the disks at all

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hachi:

just showing the total space

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv-azraelle.cgi # enumerates on the slave... and is correct

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hachi:

https://rosa.succub.us/~hachi/mythtv-zeetha.cgi # and this is correct now

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hachi:

so... it's all correct now

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hachi:

took two restarts for some reason

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hachi:

I have a schedulesdirect source for 'digital cable' on my service, but it doesn't appear to line up with the QAM-256 channels I've scanned.

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wagnerrp:

it often doesnt

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hachi:

it this a common thing... am I just botching it up?

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wagnerrp:

you have to go into the channel editor and manually set the xmlid

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hachi:

oh

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hachi:

should I read about this somewhere, or should I ask you what the xmlid comes from and correlates to?

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wagnerrp:

go into schedulesdirect

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wagnerrp:

open up your lineup

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wagnerrp:

and mouse over the channel

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hachi:

5 digit number, and then that goes into the channel editor?

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wagnerrp:

in mythtv-setup, channel editor

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hachi:

I was hoping it was a side-effect of me doing something wrong

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wagnerrp:

theres also a field for it in the channel editor in mythweb

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hachi:

but when I tune certain digital channels, my frontend just hangs

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how well that works

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hachi:

it might return control to me after like 30 minutes... but for the most part I get stuck

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hachi:

and these are channels that when I 'scanned' for channels, it claimed they were there

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wagnerrp:

those are probably VOD channels

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hachi:

do you have input on those?

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hachi:

oh

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wagnerrp:

VOD is usually unencrypted, and allocated to users on demand

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wagnerrp:

if you run a scan while someone in your area is using one, you can watch along

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hachi:

do they tend to have empty signals when not being used?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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hachi:

ok

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hachi:

so just... delete them, I guess

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wagnerrp:

empty mpeg2 ts stream

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hachi:

if I find channels on QAM-256... do I even need to try the other QAM... sizes?

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, different modulations are never used in combination

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wagnerrp:

if a cable co has the equipment for qam-256, theyre not going to waste bandwidth on qam-64

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hachi:

oh yeah, and my best question so far

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hachi:

there's a 'multiple stream' option in the card config

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hachi:

does that even work on cable cards like the PCTV 800i

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hachi:

or is that a holdover from DSS receivers?

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wagnerrp:

each ts stream can handle multiple simultaneous video streams

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hachi:

okay, it correlates to that

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wagnerrp:

ATSC stations often have 1–2 subchannels

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hachi:

I guess the trick is to look at the scanning results, yes?

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wagnerrp:

cable usually uses 2–3 HD channels, or 8–10 SD channels in one frequency band

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wagnerrp:

so my one tuner can record off of both NBC and CBS at the same time

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hachi:

that's a good trick

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wagnerrp:

the scanning results should show you all this

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wagnerrp:

or, you can check out http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

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hachi:

yeah, sadly the scanning results have no correlation to channel numbers I'm aware of, and don't have a clue of the station identifier for a number of them

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hachi:

I'm actually wondering if I could get better usability from an antenna

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hachi:

with regards to HD content

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hachi:

or ATSC content I mean

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wagnerrp:

you will get better quality almost certainly

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wagnerrp:

larger cablecos often recompress the feeds, to cram more channels into limited bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

from my experience of ATSC and QAM of the same show in HD

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wagnerrp:

the ATSC feed is ~15mbit, while the QAM feed is ~10mbit

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hachi:

weird

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hachi:

since the cableco gets about 2x as much bandwidth per channel... due to S/N ratios I think, right?

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wagnerrp:

not really... just shitty

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wagnerrp:

effectively, yes

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hachi:

well, more reasons for me to get another PCTV-800i :)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you may be able to get channels over QAM that you cannot get over ATSC

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wagnerrp:

just depends on what your provider leaves unencrypted

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hachi:

that site is nice

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wagnerrp:

that silicondust link should give you an idea of what you can expect

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hachi:

but sadly it doesn't distinguish the cable companies

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hachi:

there are two in this area :\

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wagnerrp:

no it does not

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wagnerrp:

theres two in this 'area', but they stay on their own side of the river

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hachi:

hmm

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hachi:

I wonder if I can find an area here that comcast doesn't serve

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wagnerrp:

damn, $84 for anydvd (discounted)

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hachi:

2008-10–22 02:06:51.492 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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hachi:

is that a fatal error?

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hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/14357

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laga:

hachi: make sure the time zone and time on both computers is the same

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hachi:

I appear to be unable to watch live TV from my QAM input :\

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laga:

if you're using frontend and backend on different computers, that is

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hachi:

whoah, time's shot on the backend :\

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hachi:

http://nopaste.snit.ch/14358

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hachi:

oh, permission errors on disk for some reason

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justinh:

some reason usually being user error

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hachi:

debian keeps allocating different userid/groupid on different machines

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hachi:

so then mythtv runs as something 101:107, or 103:103, or any number of other things

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hachi:

okay, I have a problem that I don't know how to solve... many things to fix but what order to actually get things done

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hachi:

I want to renumber and rename channels, cause they're called like 107#8 Unknown

[09:28:54]

hachi:

I can't see what number channel I'm on cause the font is so bloody huge

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hachi:

so I try to enter program guide

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hachi:

which then flickers between the live TV program... and the program guide every few seconds for a frame or two

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FisherPrice:

Hello

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FisherPrice:

who knows how to set up mythmovies for non-US people.. I've got a script from the net but it doesn't seem to update. I run it from a terminal and it seems to run OK

[09:32:57]

justinh:

hachi: sounds like you should've used knoppmyth :D

[09:33:25]

justinh:

FisherPrice: you need a local scraper script since ignyte is only any use for US folks

[09:33:51]

FisherPrice:

I found a scrapper "googlemovies.pl"

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justinh:

there's one for the UK I know of but it's not officially supported because it breaks google movies' T&Cs

[09:34:08]

FisherPrice:

lol

[09:34:17]

FisherPrice:

i think the one i use will break it too

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FisherPrice:

:(

[09:34:27]

justinh:

and whether it works or not depends on the versions of certain perl modules you have

[09:34:47]

FisherPrice:

well it seems to produce a clean output, but how would i know

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justinh:

the output of some html parsers changes between versions :-\

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hachi:

okay

[09:35:17]

hachi:

the font settings in 'appearance' do not affect the size the channel number is rendered at

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justinh:

they won't

[09:35:30]

justinh:

they don't

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justinh:

they can't

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hachi:

huh?

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hachi:

is that directed at me?

[09:36:17]

justinh:

duh

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hachi:

I don't see how a computer is unable to change the size of a font rendered on it's screen

[09:36:45]

hachi:

what setting changes the size of that font

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justinh:

I can. you're looking in the wrong place to change it

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hachi:

so apparently "Appearance" is not what I want

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hachi:

do I want "Feel"

[09:37:13]

hachi:

or maybe "Smell" ?

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justinh:

considering there's a menu entry for changing Playback OSD properties I figured that'd be useful for changing the properties of the OSD

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hachi:

that's under "TV settings"

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hachi:

not under appearance

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justinh:

no sh... !

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FisherPrice:

how can i know if mythmovies has run the script

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FisherPrice:

is there some user permissions

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FisherPrice:

or tricks i need to be aware of?

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FisherPrice:

justinh: how did you get your movie scrubber to work ?

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justinh:

FisherPrice: perl-fu

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justinh:

and lots of luck

[10:26:45]

FisherPrice:

did you write your own scrubber?

[10:27:31]

justinh:

nope

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FisherPrice:

what did you do then?

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FisherPrice:

there's not a lot of information about mythmovies

[10:30:59]

FisherPrice:

it just says that it can produce movie times

[10:31:08]

FisherPrice:

as long as there's a scrubber for it

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FisherPrice:

but no information about how often it refreshes

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justinh:

mythmovies isn't rocket science

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FisherPrice:

there's not a lot of information about mythmovies

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FisherPrice:

it just says that it can produce movie times

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FisherPrice:

as long as there's a scrubber for it

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justinh:

so?

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FisherPrice:

but no information about how often it refreshes

[10:32:09]

justinh:

it refreshes whenever it needs to

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FisherPrice:

well i have a scrubber

[10:32:21]

justinh:

does it produce valid xml ?

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FisherPrice:

i believe so

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justinh:

pastebin the xml output

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justinh:

there was something about mythmovies that stops you running the script multiple times & grabbing data unnecessarily but I can't remember what it was or how I got around it

[10:34:07]

FisherPrice:

http://pastebin.com/m7c909620

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justinh:

looks ok

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justinh:

do you put the full path of the grabber script into mythmovies setup?

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FisherPrice:

yeah, that's why i don't understand it

[10:35:54]

FisherPrice:

i didn't first time

[10:36:02]

FisherPrice:

but ya i have got it in there now

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justinh:

I've got /home/me/googlemovies.pl %z

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justinh:

& of course put your postal code in the 'zip code' field

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justinh:

in a format google movies likes

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FisherPrice:

hrm

[10:37:25]

FisherPrice:

i thot i could put it in the command line

[10:37:28]

FisherPrice:

field

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FisherPrice:

I'll try that

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justinh:

well that'd probably be ok too

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justinh:

mythmovies decides (somehow) whether the data grabbed is ok or not

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justinh:

no I don't mean ok

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justinh:

I mean out of date

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justinh:

it judges that by a database field IIRC

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FisherPrice:

how would i know ?

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justinh:

hang on a sec

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justinh:

some manual mysql can reset it

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justinh:

mysql -u $user -p$password mythconverg -e 'UPDATE settings SET data="" WHERE value="MythMovies.LastGrabDate";' should do it

[10:42:35]

justinh:

or use phpmyadmin or whatever

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justinh:

bit bad just assuming the last time the script was run it was successful :(

[10:43:34]

FisherPrice:

but do you know how often it should refresh and if there's an error log anywhere?

[10:43:43]

FisherPrice:

or a timeout value

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justinh:

it will only refresh once per day

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justinh:

when it's run

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justinh:

and there's no error logging

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FisherPrice:

kk

[10:44:47]

justinh:

on a run of the script it updates the MythMovies.LastGrabDate column in the database

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justinh:

so if today's date = MythMovies.LastGrabDate it won't run the script again

[10:45:15]

FisherPrice:

there might be an error then since it would have run the US one..

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FisherPrice:

probably got an err

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FisherPrice:

I'll wait till tomorrow anyway

[10:45:50]

FisherPrice:

time for bed now

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FisherPrice:

thanks for your help

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justinh:

gawd I hate the software guys here I really do.

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justinh:

lent out a bus analyser & the stupid ****er has managed to BREAK the USB socket

[10:50:51]

justinh:

how the hell do you break a USB socket?

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sid3windr:

put in the cable upside down and use a hammer because it doesn't fit?

[10:51:13]

justinh:

that is, aside from swinging the damn thing around your head by the USB cable

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justinh:

he came in here moaning that this thing 'blew his PC PSU'

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sid3windr:

:]

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justinh:

and he managed to lose the fscking usb cable

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justinh:

the same one he broke the socket with

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justinh:

where do we find these ingrates?

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justinh:

the guy's been told the analyser cost $24,000 whichisn't far from the truth. he seems sorry

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Dibblah:

Uhm... You're in a hardware house.

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Dibblah:

Is it under warranty? ;)

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justinh:

nah

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justinh:

I've sourced a replacement USB 'B' socket already

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justinh:

and I think I need a new cluebat

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justinh:

Dibblah: if you were implying we could've designed our own analyser you have made the fatal error in assuming people here can design stuff that works

[11:01:02]

Dibblah:

Uhm... No. I wouldn't suggest reinventing the wheel.

[11:01:10]

Dibblah:

That's a job for my company.

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justinh:

if the softies understood bus specs properly we wouldn't fscking need this stuff

[11:01:37]

Dibblah:

They understand that a spec is flexible.

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justinh:

they understand nothing

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justinh:

they're idiots

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Dibblah:

You can usually get away with missing transactions, 20% out-of-tolerance, etc :)

[11:02:41]

justinh:

ffs in this day & age the IDE bus on most products (yes we still have that) is bit-bashed under software control

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justinh:

so does your outfit sell IDE analysers? this busdoctor thing cost a bomb & was hard to get

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Dibblah:

I'm sure they do... Somewhere.

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Dibblah:

But finding a sales guy that'll successfully sell you one? Unlikely.

[11:04:22]

justinh:

lol

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justinh:

yeah I lost count of how many emails had to go out to get a lead

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Dibblah:

Trust me – You're better off where you are, no matter how it seems to suck.

[11:05:31]

justinh:

I liked dealing with computer solutions though – timely responses to emails, keenly priced..

[11:05:52]

justinh:

shame they didn't sell IDE bus analysers at the time :)

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ll2:

hi there

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ll2:

is there a way to make mytharchive work in mf/mb configuration?

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justinh:

eh?

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ll2:

while running mytharchive in such way, i see error messages about "myth://<ip>:6543/<mpg>"

[13:11:10]

ll2:

i have a myth-backend running on one machine, and various (err.. 3) mythfrontends at other machiens

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justinh:

I see error messages people post here too but without seeing them in their original context it can be hard to tell what's wrong

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ll2:

so the whole question is "how should I configure the frontend to be able to use mytharchive"

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mytharchive might be a good place to start

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ll2:

yes, read it yesterday, but I was kind sleepy... reading it again

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rodimus:

iamlindoro: so... hd pvr firmware update... is there anything one actually has to do besides install the 1.1 driver update? or does that automagically apply the firmware update?

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rodimus:

s/or/i.e.,/

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justinh:

the firmware is loaded at module loading time. no firmware is ever uploaded to this stuff

[14:03:20]

justinh:

I mean no firmware is flashed into it

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clev:

so the question would be, does the driver package come with .fw files :P

[14:10:18]

rodimus:

justinh: um... that sounds wrong. at least, I was told 'firmware update has to be done under windows at this time'

[14:10:51]

clev:

that sounds weird

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rodimus:

the driver does have .rom files in it

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jpabq:

rodimus, you are correct. Hauppauge's PCI/e based cards load the firmware on every module load, but the USB based devices just do it once, and store in in flash memory.

[14:13:41]

clev:

so your both half right!

[14:14:23]

rodimus:

jpabq: so is/was there something that had to be done on the windows side outside of 'install the latest driver' to get the firmware on the thing updated?

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rodimus:

or should that have happened automagically?

[14:15:25]

** rodimus feels kinda like a noob again... :) **

[14:15:43]

janneg:

most of the usb based ones load the firmware also on every driver load

[14:15:55]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Not sure abou8t the HD-PVR, but for my HDHomeRun, I need to update the firmware from my winblows box...

[14:16:04]

janneg:

rodimus: installing the driver and connecting the hd pvr should be enough

[14:16:41]

rodimus:

J-e-f-f-A|work: you're doing it wrong. :) the hdhr firmware can be updated from linux just fine

[14:16:49]

rodimus:

janneg: cool, so I should be all set

[14:17:34]

rodimus:

installed the driver and even watched a bit of stuff under winders w/the included arcsoft crud

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Really? I though it wasn't possible for the HDHR, but was for the PCI cards...

[14:17:59]

rodimus:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yes, really. :)

[14:18:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: cool, thanks. I'll have to look into that.

[14:18:14]

rodimus:

just use the hdhomerun_config cli app

[14:18:34]

justinh:

well, most tuner firmwares are loaded at driver time, so there :P

[14:18:34]

** rodimus actually maintains a package containing that for Fedora **

[14:18:59]

** J-e-f-f-A|work 'oohs', as he's running Fedora on his backend... ;-) **

[14:19:07]

rodimus:

justinh: heh, yep, I know :)

[14:19:26]

rodimus:

J-e-f-f-A|work: shouldn't be too surprising that I do...

[14:19:53]

rodimus:

just look at my host mask :)

[14:20:11]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: No, I was oohing because I run fedora too... ;-)

[14:20:18]

rodimus:

ah, ok

[14:21:12]

** rodimus has been running mythtv on Fedora since FC1, and before that, on Red Hat Linux 9 **

[14:21:26]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I only go back to FC2... ;-)

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rodimus:

J-e-f-f-A|work: hey, you're a boston area guy too, eh?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: yep. ;-)

[14:22:23]

** rodimus waves from the Red Hat offices in Westford **

[14:22:42]

** J-e-f-f-A|work waves back from Waltham... **

[14:23:30]

** clev waves from canada **

[14:23:56]

** rodimus swivels chair northish and waves back at clev **

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: so do you run into Jarod Wilson occasionally?

[14:24:41]

rodimus:

um.

[14:24:43]

rodimus:

uh.

[14:24:52]

clev:

we got snow!

[14:25:07]

rodimus:

its very hard to run into yourself...

[14:25:10]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

clev: It will come soon enough down here...

[14:25:21]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Cool... You know, I half suspected it was you... ;-)

[14:25:24]

clev:

J-e-f-f-A|work: its allready melting

[14:25:44]

clev:

J-e-f-f-A|work: it says that name right in his /whois :P

[14:25:49]

rodimus:

like I said, look at my host mask :)

[14:26:01]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Nice to meet ya semi-officially... I cut my teeth on Myth thanks to your guide...

[14:26:02]

rodimus:

and/or whois

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rodimus:

:D

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rodimus:

most of the time, I just lurk on irc anymore

[14:27:54]

rodimus:

feeling chatty today for some reason. probably sleep deprivation.

[14:28:15]

rodimus:

was too busy screwing around with my new frontend box last night (and the hd pvr)

[14:28:56]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: So do you have FiOS available where you live [yet?]... I've got it, but only for internet at the moment...

[14:29:13]

rodimus:

yep, I've had FiOS for internet for about 2 years now, TV for a year

[14:29:36]

rodimus:

I live up in Tyngsboro

[14:29:47]

rodimus:

or Tyngsborough, if you fancy

[14:30:28]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I still haven't made the 'leap' to FiOS TV yet, I've got Dish Network, and FiOS TV was actualy going to cost more in the long run... I live in Marlboro, or "Marlborough" if you're fancy... ;-)

[14:30:50]

rodimus:

I thought it was just Mahbro :)

[14:30:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rotfl

[14:31:39]

rodimus:

I'm a transplant, so I still get tripped up sometimes by local pronunciations... ;)

[14:32:03]

rodimus:

my fave is still our real estate agent, who was showing us a house in 'bricka'

[14:32:04]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, I know. I remember reading your announcement on your web page.

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rodimus:

hm, that was probably about the last time I did any major updates to said web page. :\

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Yeah, I don't have the typical 'bowstun' accent... I've lived in the general area for 20 years, but not close enough to get the accent... ;-)

[14:34:22]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

re: Web page — my personal page is in need of attention too, so you're in good company...

[14:35:19]

rodimus:

my 6 year old is starting to pick up on the accent and colloquialisms a bit, its pretty funny (he just started kindergarten)

[14:35:38]

rodimus:

he uses 'wicked' quite often now

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: oh boy... ;-) I lived in CA for 5 years, and came back east in 1987, and 'Wicked' was used in 9 out of 10 sentences here at that time, many times multiple times a sentence... The girl said, "Where are you from, you've got an accent?" I said "you're the one with an accent, dude!"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

hehe

[14:39:45]

rodimus:

yep, we get the same thing occasionally

[14:40:00]

rodimus:

I'm from WA, my wife is from CA

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'm from CT, my wife is from Mars...

[14:43:50]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

When my family first moved to CA, the kids in school asked me where I was from. I said "Connecticut", and they said "What state is that in?" — I just shook my head...

[14:44:05]

rodimus:

hahaha

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clev:

i think that is a state :P

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

see, even the Canadian knows it's a state...

[14:47:08]

clev:

and i dont even have my grade 11!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Is there anything in the clear on FiOS TV? Or is the HD-PVR the only choice?

[14:50:14]

rodimus:

all the bcast networks are in the clear

[14:50:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: in digital, right?

[14:50:36]

rodimus:

I use an hdhr and some airstar hd-5000 cards for the bulk of my recordings

[14:50:40]

rodimus:

yes

[14:51:01]

rodimus:

the hd pvr is the only option for scifi, comedy central, etc

[14:51:15]

rodimus:

zero analog on fiostv now

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: So the only thing I'd gain by going to FiOS TV is I'd get my broadcast channels off of the cable instead of my roof-top UHF antenna...

[14:51:27]

rodimus:

though when there was, it was limited to the bcast channels

[14:51:41]

rodimus:

pretty much, yeah

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Yeah, it was something like the first 50 channels... which from what I saw wasn't worth it...

[14:52:14]

rodimus:

no, fiostv only had abc, nbc, cbs, fox, pbs, etc in analog

[14:52:27]

rodimus:

*nothing* but also available OTA stuff

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I've just got an antenna pointed at Boston, and I get all the major networks in digital.

[14:52:39]

rodimus:

and now, nada

[14:53:09]

rodimus:

I get maybe 30 or so hdtv channels in addition to the OTA ones w/my set top box now

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rodimus:

trying to make the new firewire stack work w/firewire capture has been on my TODO list for ages now... but unlikely to get any love, esp. now that I have the hd pvr...

[14:53:57]

rodimus:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

And I hardly ever get 'rain fade' with my dish system, so I think I'll stay with them for now... I get 22 digital channels (that's including all the sub-channels) with an antenna pointed at Boston and my HDHomeRun

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rodimus:

although some of the stuff queued for 2.6.28 may make it Just Work again

[14:55:03]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

The FiOS box doesn't have Firewire, does it?

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rodimus:

yeah, it does

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rodimus:

Motorola QIP-6200

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Really? (intrigued)

[14:58:13]

rodimus:

dunno if you can actually capture from it or not

[14:58:14]

** J-e-f-f-A|work grunts. **

[14:58:25]

rodimus:

Windows kept wanting to install drivers for it though

[14:58:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

(sorry, watched a number of "Home Improvement" episodes on Myth yesterday...) ;-)

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rodimus:

I'll have to poke it some more one of these days

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: I heard the commercials (on radio, of course, no commercials on Myth content!) about their 'whole-house-PVR', and wondered if we could access it from Myth by reverse-engineering the protocol, but then realized that it probably streams it over the RF connection, not a lan... :-(

[15:01:58]

rodimus:

yep, they all talk to each other over the coax

[15:03:30]

rodimus:

you actually *have* to use their router even for just a stand-alone set top box, which serves up ip addresses over coax and provides a route for the thing to get ppv and on demand content

[15:03:33]

rodimus:

which is all iptv-based

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rodimus:

er, no, not all of it is iptv, some of it...

[15:04:59]

rodimus:

anywho

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Huh? Sounds strange – does their router hook up to both the ethernet and coax connections? Mine was just a DLink 601, and I now use my Trendnet...

[15:05:30]

rodimus:

so... I have a business fios data package

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rodimus:

can't coexist with tv on the same fiber, it runs to a different vlan or some shit

[15:05:59]

rodimus:

so I have two fibers and two optical network terminals on the house, one for data, one for tv

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

weirdness...

[15:06:24]

rodimus:

tv *requires* its own router, which yes, has an ethernet uplink to the ONT

[15:06:44]

rodimus:

so it talks to verizon's internal network over that, which bridges to the cable box over coax

[15:07:23]

rodimus:

I don't know that I'm explaining it particularly well there, but yeah, its ... weird

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

And your computers hang off of that router as well then?

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rodimus:

no

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rodimus:

that router is solely for the cable box

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Ok, so that router is just for TV. I get it now.

[15:08:10]

rodimus:

that's how it would work for people w/a residential internet package

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rodimus:

but all my stuff hangs off a router for my biz pipe

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rodimus:

even more amusing is that verizon themselves didn't realize they'd need two drops, installers and techs were scratching their heads when they first tried hooking up tv, running over the same fiber as the business data

[15:10:26]

rodimus:

(biz pkg, because I wanted static IPs, no port blocking and a wide-open eula)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

rodimus: Probably because they purposely don't deliver TV to the business dlinks... ^ yeah, that too...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

s/dlinks/links/... ;-)

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dvyjones:

I'm planning on installing Linux MCE on a box I have, and I understood it was using MythTV. I have Digital Television in the house already, using the "ordinaty cable" (I think DVB-C). It also uses a programcard (smartcard). Is it possible to set that up on MythTV? I have a USB SmartCard reader and a Pinnacle TV-Tuner card.

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rodimus:

residential tv piggy-backs on the residential internet feed for all the ip stuff

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

yep.

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rodimus:

I *think* if they were actually bright enough, they could properly route stuff with just one link, but...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

dvyjones: You won't find may friends of Linux MCE here, and besides, decoding encrypted signals on a PC is illegal here in the US, and probably most everywhere else too...

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RyeBrye:

Just as an academic question – AFAIK QAM hasn't been hacked – so illegal or legal it's not even a possibility in the US

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** RyeBrye might be wrong... doesn't keep up with the cable theft scene much **

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

that didn't take long... ;-)

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rodimus:

QAM isn't the issue. We can handle QAM just fine.

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rodimus:

clear QAM, that is

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rodimus:

not sure where the delineation between encrypted and clear is

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rodimus:

i.e., is the encryption an optional feature of QAM itself, or just something laid on top of it?

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iamlindoro:

US 80% of QAM encryption is based on Motorola Digicipher II

[15:22:24]

iamlindoro:

rodimus, sorry I missed your question earlier, west coast time, so was asleep (and slept in too much, too)

[15:22:57]

iamlindoro:

and to clarify what I just said, something like 80% of cable headends use a DCII based encryption, can't recall what the others use

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rodimus:

iamlindoro: np, figured it was probably that. I still forget about the 3hr diff all the time

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rodimus:

you'd think I'd have learned by now

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

that 3 hr difference is especially painful when your brother, who lives in CA, calls you at Midnight (HIS TIME) to wish you "Happy

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rodimus:

iamlindoro: but is encryption part of the QAM spec, or something at a layer above QAM?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Birthday"...

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iamlindoro:

rodimus, laid on top

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rodimus:

iamlindoro: ok, that's what I suspected

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iamlindoro:

QAM itself has an encryption bit, though, IIRC

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iamlindoro:

designationing whether the channel is in the clear or not

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iamlindoro:

gah, me no english good

[15:25:28]

iamlindoro:

designating

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rodimus:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I worked in a small (really small) headend once for about ten months, so I have a spotty-at-best recall of what I learned at that time

[15:27:12]

iamlindoro:

amusingly, it was in Woburn ;)

[15:28:51]

iamlindoro:

anyway, off to work

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justinh:

iamlindoro: it's spelled designationifying-erezing

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iamlindoro:

justinh, too early for literacy!

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justinh:

my brain is fried from trying to work out why Vcore taking too long to diminish during a power cycle is causing this board problems :-\

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rodimus:

dear ecryptfs: DIE IN A FIRE AND BURN IN HELL, I HATE YOU

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justinh:

and my above use of grammar proves that :)

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justinh:

VCore is taking 40ms to decrease to very nearly 0 volts- you'd think that'd be fast enough

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justinh:

put extra load on the VCore rail & the power cycle non-reboot problem goes away

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** rodimus really needs to stop working on RHEL, it might lead to impotency **

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rodimus:

ok, must focus on work now...

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justinh:

rofl. "join bebo" a mate of mine just emailed to say. not when they've got a full page ad for High School Musical 3 on the opening page, NO

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justinh:

gay

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_abbenormal:

hi all

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_abbenormal:

? for all is it better to run myth frontend and backend on the same system

[16:51:19]

GreyFoxx:

not particularly

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_abbenormal:

or run the backend on a different system than the frontend

[16:51:25]

GreyFoxx:

it really doesn't matter

[16:51:27]

justinh:

depends

[16:51:46]

GreyFoxx:

It all comes down to cpu and memory

[16:52:06]

iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: hey, sorry

[16:52:11]

_abbenormal:

No Problem bro

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: On my downstairs system it's both, upstairs it's frontend only

[16:52:22]

justinh:

is it better to have a big ugly noisy box in the living room or a smaller box in the livingroom & a big noisy ugly box containing all the storage out of the way somewhere ?

[16:52:26]

_abbenormal:

figured we needed to move this to the right room

[16:53:30]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Who's backend are you calling ugly??? Mine's quite nice, thank you very much!!! ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

The downstairs box lives in the closet and feeds everything through to walls to the projector, so is for all intents and purposes "silent", but it's the big beefy quad box with all the drives... the upstairs system is a C2D and just enough to manage nice playback-- this weekend it will be moving to a new, low power netboot system

[16:53:55]

_abbenormal:

lol

[16:54:15]

ll2:

mine runs on xen system

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: My downstairs system pictured here: http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 552554_um7Qb

[16:54:47]

iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: Actually both my old and new downstairs setups are pictured there-- used to have it all on a piece of furniture, now it's all in the closet

[16:54:57]

ll2:

and the frontend runs on a nice little shuttle box

[16:54:59]

iamlindoro_:

I really need to take some updated pics now that I've cleaned up the wiring, though

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_abbenormal:

sweet setup very nice

[16:55:28]

justinh:

some people do the quaintest things. mythbackend in xen

[16:55:52]

ll2:

:-)

[16:56:05]

_abbenormal:

i dont mind the noise as when the tv is running the sound system kills most of it

[16:56:37]

justinh:

there's no real disadvantage to be had when doing your myth system either way

[16:56:44]

high-rez:

lindoro: What are you input sources ?

[16:56:51]

justinh:

other than hardware/noise/heat considerations of course

[16:56:54]

ll2:

if you intend to record your programs while you are not there, put the backend on the machine that will be online 24x7

[16:57:16]

_abbenormal:

thats why im playing with myth is the networking side would like to do a hdhomerun with it and feed 3 different rooms that i cannt with vdr

[16:57:25]

_abbenormal:

all my systems run 24/7

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iamlindoro_:

high-rez: 2 x firewire STB, 3 x QAM tuners

[16:57:32]

justinh:

vDR == all in one box or else

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ll2:

_abbenormal: even the frontend?

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justinh:

freevo == all in one box or else

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** J-e-f-f-A|work drools at iamlindoro_'s setup... ;-) **

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_abbenormal:

yup sometimes i dont turn it off

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I likes my pretties

[16:58:22]

iamlindoro_:

high-rez: oh, and an HD-PVR

[16:58:33]

justinh:

bloody hell you guys have massive houses

[16:58:41]

ll2:

_abbenormal: nice one. the projector has a fan?

[16:59:06]

_abbenormal:

nope thats iamlindoro setup

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high-rez:

lindoro: Fantastic. Love the projector. I used to have one and always thought it was the best way to watch.

[16:59:18]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

if it doesn't it's not gonna last more than 5 minutes!

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iamlindoro_:

high-rez: Yep, 1080p

[16:59:29]

iamlindoro_:

ll2: All projectors have fans

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iamlindoro_:

but very quiet ones, doubtful you'd notice

[16:59:45]

_abbenormal:

i will be doing a projector but not until next year after i finish a back room im redoing now

[16:59:51]

iamlindoro_:

projector bulbs are *hot*

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high-rez:

lindoro: What projector is that? I only had a viewsonic 1024x768 - ;)

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GreyFoxx:

iam: What are the row of vertical boxes with the blue leds on them ?

[17:00:16]

iamlindoro_:

high-rez: Mitsubishi HC5000

[17:00:19]

GreyFoxx:

USB drives or something ?

[17:00:20]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... at least until LEDs get bright enough for projector use... ;-)

[17:00:33]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Yeah, at that time I was transferring fom one RAID to another, when I was building the new array

[17:00:43]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: they're gone now but they were for moving all my movies over

[17:00:48]

GreyFoxx:

ahhh

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_abbenormal:

im impressed its that bright with so much extra light in the room

[17:01:04]

GreyFoxx:

ok.... USB drives make me .... itchy .... at least when running all the time :)

[17:01:14]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: I like how the cables below form a smile... ;-)

[17:01:16]

iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: yeah, all gone now (in a stack sitting in the clost, actually)

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justinh:

well, hometime

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GreyFoxx:

I tmight be unfair of me... I guess any media that could dropout at anytime scares me hehe

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: Heh, all the cables are cleaned up now... actually don't know what possessed me to take pictures at that exact moment-- must have been excited

[17:02:25]

_abbenormal:

lol

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_abbenormal:

you did a real good job

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iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: Heh, thanks... I guess I could have left it all alone in the closet as nobody sees it anyway, but obsessive-compulsiveness took over

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: Haha better than my wall. http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/pics/tvwall.jpg

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_abbenormal:

ive seen places done by so called pros not look that good

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GreyFoxx:

Mine's a total wire mess :)

[17:03:22]

_abbenormal:

lol

[17:03:28]

iamlindoro_:

Izzat Nemo?

[17:03:48]

GreyFoxx:

the projector is right above the flatscreen

[17:03:50]

GreyFoxx:

yup

[17:04:01]

GreyFoxx:

one of my daughters favourites :)

[17:04:30]

_abbenormal:

i like nemo

[17:04:46]

_abbenormal:

that and iceage 2

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iamlindoro_:

I actually move my 360 back downstairs this weekend after directhex told me it'll do 1080p over component now

[17:05:01]

iamlindoro_:

er moved

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GreyFoxx:

http://pics.phaze.org/?album=albums/2008/02-2 . . . ojector&

[17:05:19]

iamlindoro_:

Fable 2 @ 106" = fun!

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GreyFoxx:

The first day I had the projector up and my horrible attempts at photos

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: Nice! I'm sure the little one likes getting to watch her movies like actually being *at* the movies, too

[17:06:49]

GreyFoxx:

she does

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GreyFoxx:

she completely treats it like being at the "public theatre" hehe

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GreyFoxx:

that's what she calls it when we go out to a movie :)

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wylie:

i just added the apple trailers stuff to my menus, however.... the action is not executing. any thoughts?

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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wylie:

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wylie:

<type>VIDEO_BROWSER</type>

[17:08:20]

wylie:

<text>Amexicano</text>

[17:08:20]

wylie:

<action>/usr/bin/vlc http://movies.apple.com/movies/independent/am . . . ;/action>

[17:08:20]

wylie:

</button>

[17:08:22]

wylie:

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wylie:

am i doing this wrong?

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iamlindoro_:

<action> EXEC

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GreyFoxx:

I thought that had to be <exec> not <action>

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GreyFoxx:

Or something like that

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iamlindoro_:

insert the EXEC

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wylie:

exec before call to vlc, correct?

[17:09:41]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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wylie:

ty.... again.

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iamlindoro_:

np

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_abbenormal:

whats the total of dvb devices myth can handle in one system pci wise

[17:17:28]

_abbenormal:

whats the total number of dvb devices myth can handle in one system pci wise

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iamlindoro_:

hoever many slots you have

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iamlindoro_:

as many as you can cram in/on/near the box, myth can handle

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_abbenormal:

ok so i can have 4 pci devices and 2 usb with no issues

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iamlindoro_:

easily

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_abbenormal:

cool

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_abbenormal:

now the big ? should they all be the same type mfg i do like to mix things up some

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iamlindoro_:

you can mix them up (so long as they are supported) without issue

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_abbenormal:

ok cool

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iamlindoro_:

I have 2 x Motorola STBs, a Hauppauge QAM card, Kworld QAM, pcHDTV QAM, and an HD-PVR

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_abbenormal:

at this point im thinking i may just pull the 2.6 out and do a fresh install with it then see if i still have the same issues im having now

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_abbenormal:

using it as a backend only

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_abbenormal:

this going to cost me now ill need to add another 2 switches lol

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iamlindoro_:

I see we're doing uptime wang measuring on the users list now

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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laga:

i prefer automatic shutdown, kthx

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iamlindoro_:

Soon to be followed by "Hmmm, we all seem to have low uptime BUGINMYTHTV, GET THE TORCHES!"

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_abbenormal:

get the torches

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_abbenormal:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.woot.com/

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Ace2016:

Hi all

[17:46:01]

iamlindoro_:

$369 LCD

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iamlindoro_:

(monitor, not TV, 26")

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jonK:

would i create trouble for myself if i manually deleted a bunch of rows from oldrecorded?

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mchou:

depends

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jonK:

perhaps you could clarify....

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mchou:

whether you want to rerecord or not

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mchou:

if you want to rerecord, it's safe to delete

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jonK:

i do... I don't know how/why but I have nearly 500 rows with a recording status of "NeverRecord"

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kormoc:

I delete from oldrecorded all the time

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jonK:

it's not a problem for one-off scheduling, but for scheduling "always in this timeslot" schedules it is a problem

[17:50:08]

jonK:

figured it would be allright, but real easy just to ask first anyway

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jonK:

poof-- 491 rows gone

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rodimus:

yeah, uptime measurement doesn't mean shit, oldest recording in database means much much more

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clev:

rodimus: oldest row in recorded or oldrecord?

[18:02:25]

rodimus:

oldrecord, I suppose

[18:02:29]

clev:

yeah

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rodimus:

whatever it is mythweb spits out :)

[18:02:54]

clev:

im reading 2007-02–05 for oldrecorded

[18:03:04]

rodimus:

First recording: Monday October 6th, 2003

[18:03:13]

clev:

and 2007-05–31 for the oldest recording i still have on file

[18:04:02]

clev:

i need to get my latest compile done

[18:04:25]

iamlindoro_:

I'm about seven or eight DBs into Myth... I always get to the rebuild point and realize I'd rather have a clean DB and just recreate my recording rules-- all my shows are in MythVideo now and the metadata is pulled in by my scripts in minutes

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iamlindoro_:

Yay for the internet and naught scraping

[18:04:50]

iamlindoro_:

er naughty

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clev:

lol

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rodimus:

heh

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clev:

ive never reset the db

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GreyFoxx:

mysql> select starttime from oldrecorded order by starttime asc limit 1;

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GreyFoxx:

+---------------------+

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GreyFoxx:

| starttime |

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GreyFoxx:

+---------------------+

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GreyFoxx:

| 2003-11–12 02:00:00 |

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GreyFoxx:

+---------------------+

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rodimus:

been a while since I have

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clev:

yay spam!!!

[18:05:37]

GreyFoxx:

My oldest one

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iamlindoro_:

clev: you of all people are not allowed to cry fowl on pastes in channel

[18:05:47]

clev:

GreyFoxx: its select min(starttime) from oldrecorded;

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rodimus:

gotcha by a month

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ll2:

iamlindoro_: what your scripts do? rename the file based on show, date?

[18:06:17]

GreyFoxx:

clev: I know, but my original query was going to include a lot more and I just adjusted it

[18:06:23]

GreyFoxx:

there is more than1 way to skin a cat :)

[18:06:34]

clev:

yep

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iamlindoro_:

ll2: Generate accurate length info, thumbnails, and pull plot/airdate/director/title info off the internet based on the filename

[18:07:04]

clev:

ive got some ugly QSqlQuery's in my code right now where i have to bind the same field 2 or 3 times

[18:07:12]

clev:

i need to find another way to skin that cat :P

[18:07:25]

iamlindoro_:

one command line argument makes it feedback-free and it'll blast through the whole DB in moments, even with hundreds of TV shows archived in MythVideo

[18:07:25]

ll2:

iamlindoro_: sounds good. may you share those scripts?

[18:07:33]

GreyFoxx:

So 5 years go recording history in there.

[18:07:39]

iamlindoro_:

ll2: I have linked them many-a-time on the users list

[18:07:47]

iamlindoro_:

most recently last month

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GreyFoxx:

We almost never watch LiveTV so it's a pretty full list :)

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iamlindoro_:

But I provide *no support whatsoever* for them ,you will only get scowls and mean words if you ask me about them

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ll2:

IÂ´m not in user list. but IÂ´m sure I will easily find them on archives

[18:08:24]

ll2:

ty

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iamlindoro_:

you are welcome-- last month, second message in steve adeff's TVRage 0.7 thread IIRC

[18:09:08]

iamlindoro_:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /232850.html

[18:09:09]

ll2:

sometimes itÂ´s easier to just mount the disk and mplauyer files...

[18:09:58]

ll2:

so, something with a name is easier to identify than 045200810202000.mpg :-)

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GreyFoxx:

mythrename.pl is in the source contrib dirs

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iamlindoro_:

ll2: My scripts won't do anything with filenames like that

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GreyFoxx:

it will make them human readable names

[18:10:50]

iamlindoro_:

They work on mythvideo, not recordings, and your filenames need to be sane like "Battlestar Galactica 1x03.avi" or "Pushing Daisies s01e05.mkv" etc.

[18:11:24]

iamlindoro_:

Needs some way to determine the show title and the season and ep, but if it's in some sort of format where a human could discern it, then so can the scripts

[18:12:28]

GreyFoxx:

I use showname.sNNeNN.ext

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ll2:

ahh... you use them to update the database... not the other way

[18:13:06]

GreyFoxx:

It sounds like you two are talking about different things

[18:13:19]

GreyFoxx:

iamlind: is talking about mythvideo and the videos stored under than

[18:13:20]

ll2:

yes.

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GreyFoxx:

your recordingsfiles which ased sa128964312897366.mpg are a seperate matter

[18:13:45]

GreyFoxx:

you can use mythrename to rename them to names based on the show name/title

[18:14:04]

ll2:

ok

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_abbenormal:

wouldnt you want that done as its recording

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GreyFoxx:

_abb: Normally there is no reason to do it at all

[18:14:42]

_abbenormal:

only if your saving it

[18:14:50]

GreyFoxx:

as myth does not expect you to be tuching the files directly

[18:14:51]

ll2:

savint it is my case also

[18:15:34]

ll2:

copying to my notebook to watch while not at home, etc..

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_abbenormal:

im still not a full time myth user yet so not up on how it works yet

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_abbenormal:

the things i wished i knew more of was what the info im seeing in the 3 terminals im watching is telling me

[18:24:43]

_abbenormal:

im watching forntend and backend info

[18:24:45]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

_abbenormal: I use 'mythrename.pl' to create symbolic links for a non-upnp network player...

[18:27:12]

_abbenormal:

got to like google

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wagnerrp:

i really should start using mythrename and sharing that over samba, rather than the actual recordings

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dustybin:

does mythtv support AAC 5.1 ?

[18:32:38]

Gumby:

I've set up a custom recording via power search yet it doesnt seem to schedule anything. when I run the sql on the mysql program table I get about 30k results (which is what should be returned). Is this too many scheduled recordings for myth to handle?

[18:34:38]

_abbenormal:

well the second pci tuner doesnt cause any issues so it has to be a usb problem cannt believe 2 usb tuners are bad

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Anduin:

Gumby: What happens when you "Test" it?

[18:44:20]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: Myth supports all codecs at the time of its last ffmpeg sync, and externally compiled libs-- namely, if you compiled in libfaad, then yes.

[18:44:38]

Gumby:

does anyone know if there is a limit to how much memory mythweb can use in regard to php? I've gogled a web error I am getting and it seems to be related to php memory size but Ive already increased that to 100M in php.ini

[18:44:52]

Gumby:

Anduin: it said that the connection to the backend server had gone away

[18:44:56]

iamlindoro_:

Gumby: Myth doesn't use php.ini, it has its own setting

[18:44:56]

Anduin:

Gumby: and given how many things cause a reschedule, yes I would imagine there would be a problem with that many

[18:45:12]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: where is that setting

[18:45:25]

iamlindoro_:

all detailed in the INSTALL (or was it README?) file in mythweb

[18:45:49]

Gumby:

Anduin: even though it said the backend went away, the backend was still running so maybe something timed out somewhere

[18:45:55]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: thx I'll read some more

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iamlindoro_:

Gumby: it's in the mythweb.conf

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: thx. had a look at the install but it didnt seem to mention much about php in regards to memory.

[18:48:00]

Anduin:

Gumby: Yeah, the read/write function does timeout, I think it is 30 seconds or something like that

[18:48:33]

xris:

Gumby: but you're supposed to read the mythweb.conf file as part of INSTALL, and it should explain that.

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xris:

I guess I don't specifically document the memory limit setting. I'll do that now in trunk for version .22

[18:50:19]

Gumby:

xris: thanks. and yes, I should have read some more

[18:51:48]

xris:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18845

[18:53:50]

laga:

why do i actually expect wine to work?

[18:54:02]

rodimus:

sphery: so, the cirago bt adapter I got... disappointing.

[18:54:16]

rodimus:

sticks out way further than it looks like it should from the pics

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iamlindoro_:

laga: Ugh, you are echoing my day's thoughts

[18:56:16]

iamlindoro_:

laga: *all* I need to get working is the Solidworks License Manager-- just a little network license manager! But it won't even INSTALL!

[18:56:41]

iamlindoro_:

Meanwhile I have *no* windows servers and I'm going to have to install the LM on a client machine, ugh

[18:57:00]

laga:

iamlindoro_: :(

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laga:

iamlindoro_: i just tried the ikea home planner and some room arranger tool

[18:57:32]

laga:

both didnt work

[18:57:55]

iamlindoro_:

gah. Amusingly, WINE works pretty well for Steam and most of its games

[18:58:07]

iamlindoro_:

So you can run an FPS, but not a simple CAD program or a license manager :)

[18:58:21]

laga:

heh

[18:58:24]

Gumby:

market demand

[18:58:25]

Gumby:

hehe

[18:58:42]

laga:

ikea home planner doesn't have couches, so it was useless anyways

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justinh:

laga: grab some graph paper :)

[19:00:47]

laga:

no. :)

[19:01:28]

justinh:

well just buy stuff & pray it all fits :P

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laga:

wee

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dustybin:

is it possible to have a AAC 5.1 surround track and a AAC 2.0 stereo track in the same .mp4 ?

[19:06:27]

dustybin:

and mythtv internal player being able to select between the 2?

[19:07:29]

justinh:

probably

[19:09:15]

iamlindoro_:

or just contain them in an MKV, which definitely can, and easily

[19:09:43]

iamlindoro_:

Maybe there's hope for that container format yet

[19:10:10]

dustybin:

i encoded a load of my films only to just realise that the 5.1 tracks are not present... should of checked on the 1st one i did

[19:11:00]

dustybin:

im doing some tests, just encoding 1 chapter

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dustybin:

if i leave the 5.1 tracked untouched, could mythtv mix it down to a stereo track for my frontend downstairs what doesnt have a 5.1 setup?

[19:19:18]

justinh:

maybe. who cares

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dustybin:

justinh: the folks who use my frontend downstairs to watch a move will care when there isnt any audio...

[19:29:51]

iamlindoro_:

Myth will be fine if it has an AC3 track and analog outs. You don't need a billion different audio tracks for every eventuality

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iamlindoro_:

one is fine, regardless of how many channels, so long as libavcodec can decode it

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dustybin:

right i see

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dustybin:

the frontend downstairs is using analogue outs

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skyphyr:

hi all – I created a channels.conf using dvbscan, but when I try import it into mythtv I get nothing

[19:37:34]

Gumby:

skyphyr: what are you trying to scan?

[19:37:40]

skyphyr:

ahhh seems I needed to add a diseq lnb – I'd avoided adding anything as I didn't want it messing with the rotor :)

[19:37:49]

skyphyr:

Gumby – 28.2E

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Gumby:

ah, dont know much about that

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skyphyr:

it's scanning nicely now, thanks :)

[19:38:17]

Gumby:

I know some birds need patches to scan correctly

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Gumby:

I guess not 28.2E :)

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skyphyr:

seems rotor and lnb are independent I guess?

[19:38:42]

Gumby:

dunno, I dont have a rotor so Ive never looked into it

[19:39:22]

skyphyr:

cool – thanks for replying – sometimes just asking the question makes you look foolish enough to put the effort in to solve it ;)

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_abbenormal:

whats this mean [h264 @ 0xb7378a68]mmco: unref short failure

[20:04:40]

iamlindoro_:

It's an error thrown by libavcodec, but no idea what it means

[20:04:46]

iamlindoro_:

some sort of decoder error

[20:05:17]

_abbenormal:

hum got a couple of them and some other errors then segfault

[20:05:33]

iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: are you running the latest .21-fixes?

[20:05:46]

iamlindoro_:

There are a fair number of h264 fixes in the most recent revisions

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_abbenormal:

no im back a few day

[20:05:59]

iamlindoro_:

that's recent enough

[20:06:02]

iamlindoro_:

no idea, then :(

[20:06:18]

_abbenormal:

18692

[20:07:09]

_abbenormal:

is there a command to use to tell what release version i am running thats the last one i compiled and install

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iamlindoro_:

mythbackend --version

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iamlindoro_:

But I'm sure you're fine

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_abbenormal:

nice to know thou

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iamlindoro_:

The changes I am talking about are at least a month old

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_abbenormal:

thanks that tells ya a lot of good info

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_abbenormal:

is there a place or some where is there any info on cpu type and frontend settings for playing back hd services is there anything out here

[20:20:30]

_abbenormal:

or do we just try different settings until we find the right combo

[20:21:43]

iamlindoro_:

_abbenormal: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports

[20:21:52]

_abbenormal:

thanks

[20:22:10]

_abbenormal:

i was hoping there was an easier way

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iamlindoro_:

That page isn't as developed as it could be (would be nice if people would add their stuff) but between that and tweaking playback profiles (slim is the right profile for most people) you should manage to figure it out

[20:23:08]

iamlindoro_:

More or less, C2D + nVidia card + a gig or two of RAM = Win for just about everything besides Bluray or HD-PVR playback

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_abbenormal:

i put this together with hd mainly in mind it has a pent-d 3.2 so i would hope its enough and it is all it will do just myth alone

[20:24:03]

iamlindoro_:

Hmmm, maybe. So long as it's all MPEG-2 you are fine

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wagnerrp:

well that was fun

[20:26:15]

wagnerrp:

i was doing some reconfiguring of my network, so my dhcp server was down

[20:26:27]

wagnerrp:

my desktop decided that was the time it wanted to renew its lease

[20:27:32]

wagnerrp:

so windows instantly drops off the network, along with my user directory, all samba shares, and half a dozen terminals i was using

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Gumby:

lol

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skyphyr:

can mythfrontend search through the channel names? or just browse them with up/down and program guide?

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Gumby:

well that power search I created pretty much killed mythweb. hehe hopefully if I delete it things will go back to normal

[20:33:03]

Gumby:

so I guess that using myth to find and record all shows whos category is movies is a bad thing to do when you run myth and have 4 different satellites configured

[20:33:35]

wagnerrp:

in the next two weeks, there are a couple hundred movies listed

[20:33:42]

wagnerrp:

and thats just on cable

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro_> More or less, C2D + nVidia card + a gig or two of RAM = Win for just about everything besides Bluray or HD-PVR playback <== I was about to ask about building a machine that *could* do the HD playback – what kind of spec would I be looking at there?

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_abbenormal:

lol thats a lot of transponders to record from at one time

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Gumby:

there were about 3000 movies in the programs table

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Gumby:

not all unique though

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: The machine I described will work fine for broadcast/cable material. If you intend to play back blu-ray rips or material captured using the Hauppauge HD-PVR then make that C2D a 3.0 Ghz model or better.

[20:34:51]

wagnerrp:

Lunar_Lamp: HD-PVR at full bitrate is going to need a 2.8GHz+ single core

[20:35:32]

wagnerrp:

bluray at full bitrate probably needs ~6GHz cumulative

[20:35:40]

wagnerrp:

so a high end dual core, or midrange quad core

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Lunar_Lamp:

Wow, I hadn't realised that quite so much CPU would be required.

[20:36:12]

iamlindoro_:

Yep, since you don't get any help from the GPU

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wagnerrp:

have you ever played h.264 content?

[20:36:55]

Gumby:

oops, make that 30,000 movies. lol

[20:37:10]

Lunar_Lamp:

Yeah, I guess I was just hoping that I could get away with less.

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iamlindoro_:

Nope

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Lunar_Lamp:

I guess my goal of silent frontend combined with backened, and HD playback = not easily feasible!

[20:38:09]

abqjp:

Lunar_Lamp: it is even worse than that, if you want to use "timestretch" with HD-PVR recordings.

[20:38:20]

** Gumby wonders if his e2180 @ 3.0 GHz is going to be able to do h.264 **

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fryfrog:

Lunar_Lamp: keep in mind they are talking about a specific device (the HD-PVR) and very high bitrate HD content.

[20:38:40]

fryfrog:

If you are talking about OTA HD in the US (mpeg2) than you can get away with *much* much less.

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: absolutely

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skyphyr:

this is probably a bit left field, but has anyone run a mythtv frontend on a tm9101?

[20:39:01]

Lunar_Lamp:

Well, I'm in the UK – no real idea what the HD spec there is.

[20:39:12]

fryfrog:

er, actually high bit rate *and* a cpu intensive to decode codec

[20:39:19]

fryfrog:

ah, sorry me either.

[20:39:28]

Lunar_Lamp:

But I guess I'll see where an appropriate compromise might lie.

[20:39:31]

fryfrog:

i think justinh is in the UK, i want to say they use some form of h264?

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fryfrog:

Lunar_Lamp: why don't you explain how you plan to capture hd content?

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skyphyr:

I think we're still in the mpeg2 dark ages here fryfrog

[20:39:52]

iamlindoro_:

not just the UK, much of the EU uses h.264 in various DVB permutations

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: I'm hoping so. lol. my dvb-s 8psk tuner is in the mail :)

[20:40:15]

iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: freesat has multiple h.264 channels

[20:40:15]

abqjp:

gbee has experience receiving BBC HD, which is H.264.

[20:40:24]

skyphyr:

ahhh sweet :) thanks iamlindoro :)

[20:40:32]

fryfrog:

for comparison, my 4200+ X2 939 AMD64 can play back content from the interwebs that is 720p.

[20:40:35]

justinh:

x264.nl has a bbc hd sample or two

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Lunar_Lamp:

fryfrog: I'm still in the early planning stages at the moment. I had intended on getting some from HD media sources (e.g. blueray rips) and over the air if I could. Blueray is a low priority though.

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justinh:

if you can play a bbc hd sample, you're lucky

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skyphyr:

apparently these things have enough grunt to decode h264 http://beagleboard.org/

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wagnerrp:

Gumby: asking if you can decode h.264 is meaningless, you have to define a source

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skyphyr:

at least 720p I imagine for that board, maybe 1080

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Gumby:

wagnerrp: IC. the source will be via satellite

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wagnerrp:

but at stock, that chip can probably handle ~10mbps per core

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abqjp:

wagnerrp is right. HD-PVR is *MUCH* harder to decode than blu-ray.

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iamlindoro_:

true that

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: saying "h.264" by itself means nothing

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: That board could only manage low bitrate, non complex-encoding-option h.264 at very best

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skyphyr:

I'm aware of that – my assumption of being in here is that we're talking 720p or 1080i as those are the most common standards used in broadcast

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skyphyr:

and h264 isn't used for standard def

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: huh??

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Lunar_Lamp:

Is the Hauppage HD-PVR the only current card that does OTA HD capturing?

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: h.264 most certainly can/is used for SD

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abqjp:

Currently, yes.

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skyphyr:

though the hd spec includes resolutions that are so low as to not really count

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abqjp:

Lunar_Lamp: sorry, nope.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I'm thinking I might want to scale back my desires re:HD content really.

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XLV:

skyphyr, it should be most than ok.. i use a e6320 at 2.5GHz.. and it plays even the most heave h264 streams i got

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abqjp:

Lunar_Lamp: the HD-PVR is the only current way to capture HD from a "set top box".

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: Not a chance of that beagleboard managing, for example, BBC HD

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skyphyr:

I know it can be, but it's not used within anything referred to as SD when we're talking about previous standards for terrestrial etc right?

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abqjp:

Lunar_Lamp: there are plenty of options for capturing OTA HD.

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Lunar_Lamp:

abqjp: oh, great :-)

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skyphyr:

not that analog has a direct correlation to any particular digital resolution

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: DVB-T/S/C allow for plain old SD resolutions with h.264

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Lunar_Lamp:

That's what I'm interested in – not set-top.

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skyphyr:

is anyone using it for broadcast though?

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: once again, YES

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skyphyr:

wouldn't that make it useless for legacy hardware?

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iamlindoro_:

There are entire digital transmission systems that ar h.264 only

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Lunar_Lamp:

skyphyr: there is in the UK at least :-)

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: which legacy hardware did you have in mind? STBs have analog outs.

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skyphyr:

hmmm good point – so interfacing with the TV is irrelevant

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Lunar_Lamp:

abqjp> Lunar_Lamp: there are plenty of options for capturing OTA HD. <== is there a nicely laid out list somewhere? *hopes*

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: AT&T Uverse in the USA, Dish Network in the USA, many/most nordic DVB-C providers, ALL using h.264 for SD... the list goes on and on

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abqjp:

Lunar_Lamp: just as long as you truly mean OTA, and not satellite.

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: linuxtv.org

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Lunar_Lamp:

abqjp: yes, I do not mean satellite.

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skyphyr:

I was under the impression the UK was pretty much transitioning directly to HD at the same time as digital where the US went digital first and is in the middle of switching to HD?

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: you are mistaken

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skyphyr:

so UK transitioned to digital first?

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skyphyr:

i.e. not simultaneously with HD?

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: the UK is transitioning to digital with very little motion towards going HD

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iamlindoro_:

and the US has far FAR more HD programming

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justinh:

skyphyr: we still don't have terrestrial HD

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justinh:

even on satellite we have like er.. two free to air HD channels

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iamlindoro_:

and is only now making the switch to digital OTA, but we have had all the major networks mostly in HD for years

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justinh:

which is just aswell cos there's bugger all to watch in HD

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skyphyr:

really? geez – so not a lot of point trying to get dvb-s2 up and running on my card then :)

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: S2 != HD

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iamlindoro_:

you have a LOT of reading to so

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iamlindoro_:

er do

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high-rez:

dvb-s2 is practically non-existent here (in the states)

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skyphyr:

S2 is required for HD though right?

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justinh:

but at least our HD will be h.264 :D

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: no

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justinh:

not that mpeg2 crap

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skyphyr:

so the difference is??

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: regular S/T/C are perfectly capable of HD

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high-rez:

s2 just allows them to cram more data in a single transponder. E.g. using 8psk instead of qpsk.

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justinh:

s2 just delivers more bandwidth per transponder

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iamlindoro_:

skyphyr: Different modulations allowing more bandwidth for providers

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skyphyr:

ok – so there is sufficient bandwidth in DVB-S for 1080i?

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justinh:

just like dvb-t2 will when HD comes to terrestrial in the UK

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wagnerrp:

8psk on 6MHz channels is... ~14mbit

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justinh:

skyphyr: where in the world are you?

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iamlindoro_:

He's your neighbot

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skyphyr:

well I'm in London, but from Australia

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iamlindoro_:

er neighbor

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high-rez:

skyphyr: yes, but you get fewer channles per transponder.

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justinh:

none of the FTA HD on satellite is DVB-S2

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justinh:

it's still only dvb-s

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high-rez:

e.g. if I was able to fit 3 hd channels on dvb-s i might be able to get 6 on dvb-s2

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skyphyr:

and my experience is mostly with creating visual effects so dealing with the actual encoding delivery isn't usually my thing

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skyphyr:

only side of that I'm fairly aware of is colour space

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Lunar_Lamp:

OK, I guess my ideal card would be: dual tuner card, capable of HD, PCI/PCI-e, excellent linux support (i.e. no need to use experimental drivers). Any more specific suggestions?

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christer:

hi! using svn trunk 18770 and dvb-s. have problem with osd stating partial lock even though channel show fine. osd stays on and makes system unresponsive to key presses. any suggestions as to what could be wrong?

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skyphyr:

ok – makes sense – so the new specs are about getting more bandwidth out of the same amount of signal space?

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: Cards aren't capable of HD, standards are. Which standard do you intend to capture?

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justinh:

now that dvb-s2 has an API, no sweat :)

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro_: HD OTA in the UK. I am unsure of the standard, someone suggested it in here earlier, but no consensus seemed to be reached.

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iamlindoro_:

DVB-T

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iamlindoro_:

wait

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iamlindoro_:

no, you would need a Sat dish in the UK if you want HD

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: your DVB-T has no HD content whatsoever yet AFAIK

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Lunar_Lamp:

Er, that's not what the TV stations suggest...

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iamlindoro_:

So if you want HD capture in the UK, you will need a DVB-S card, a dish, and to point it at freesat

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justinh:

OTA HD in the UK WILL BE DVB-T"

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justinh:

DVB-T2

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justinh:

DVB-T2

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justinh:

I repeat.. will be dvb-t2

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justinh:

for which no tuners exist yet

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: and, as justinh alludes to, ca n'existe pas

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Lunar_Lamp:

Hmm, yes, it's currently only cable/satellite

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justinh:

NONE, not even STBs yet

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Lunar_Lamp:

I misread my source, sorry.

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iamlindoro_:

If you intend to capture your two channels in HD, you need a dish

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justinh:

and there's 1 HD channel on UK cable. ONE

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Lunar_Lamp:

Heh, ok, I can forget about HD capture of TV then

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iamlindoro_:

If you intend to capture OTA right now, though, you can get a nice DVB-T card.. it'll just be SD

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Lunar_Lamp:

Thanks, whilst it may have been a circuitous route, you helped me avoid a bunch of hassle in the future :-)

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iamlindoro_:

I believe most people with dual DVB-T tuners have the Nova-T 500

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Lunar_Lamp:

Thank you, you've been very helpful :-)

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iamlindoro_:

np

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Lunar_Lamp:

As the only HD content that I could possible be using, therefore, would already be on the hard drive (or in a disk drive), does this cut my required CPU spec significantly then?

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iamlindoro_:

No.

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iamlindoro_:

Capture doesn't take any CPU, playback does

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iamlindoro_:

regardless of where you get it from

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Lunar_Lamp:

Ah, yes, of course – that makes sense.

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wagnerrp:

well if all of the content is SD, then the requirements are cut significantly

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wagnerrp:

considering anything more than 5–10mbit for SD is excessive

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: He's talking about some nebulous content on disk from "who knows where"

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abqjp:

intel linux video driver blog: http://anholt.livejournal.com/39921.html

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro_: I'm not talking pirated content :-p

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: no, you're just talking not-specific

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wagnerrp:

well nebulous downloaded HD content is usually <12mbit, reaching as low as 4mbit

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iamlindoro_:

content being "on your disk" won't help you one bit to reduce CPU needs, you still need exactly as much CPU as that content requires

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro_: yes, I understand that now – when I was asking the question I had it fixed in my mind that significant CPU load would be required by the tv-capturing process.

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iamlindoro_:

So if you have high-def high bitrate material in a complex code on your disk, you will still need lots of CPU

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Lunar_Lamp:

ok, thanks.

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Lunar_Lamp:

I am getting the idea that HD content decryption is computationally intensive, but there are myriad methods for creating it, which means there really is no simple way to deduce what is required.

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iamlindoro_:

well said

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wagnerrp:

seems theres a wootoff today

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iamlindoro_:

Therefore our usual default answer of "If you want to play pretty much everything, get a C2D or Q @ 3.0 Ghz or higher and an nVidia card. Anything less and you take your chances."

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Lunar_Lamp:

I have a spare nividia 6200 not doing much – but this will be underpowered I assume? Or is the load on the gfx card not significantly greater for HD content as it's the CPU doing all the work?

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wagnerrp:

that will work just fine

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wagnerrp:

since all you need in a video card is Xv support

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Lunar_Lamp:

Fantastic – that's one thing I don't need to buy then :-)

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iamlindoro_:

Lunar_Lamp: You get somewhere between 0 and none assist from the GPU in linux

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Lunar_Lamp:

iamlindoro_: lol, OK

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wagnerrp:

ill have to watch for the pinnacle tuner

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wagnerrp:

im looking for another digital tuner

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Lunar_Lamp:

Heh, I've just realised that I've put myself in a position of wanting a socket 775 motherboard with an AGP slot.

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AndyCap:

and with modern cpu support? sounds tricky

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Lunar_Lamp:

It might be easier to just get a new graphics card :-(

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: Here's your chance to get that HP Media Center PC you've been wanting :) (woot)

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah!... of course if not for vista, i could put together that machine for ~$250 less

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abqjp:

Lunar_Lamp: you could also go with a motherboard which has integrated graphics. nVidia just released a new motherboard chipset with integrated graphics. The intel G35 boards are pretty good too, but have some video tearing that they have promised to solve soon. From reviews I have read, I would avoid the G45 at this time.

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** rodimus just bought a dell studio hybrid **

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wagnerrp:

well i just found a site that claims to sms your phone on changes

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wagnerrp:

its currently failing hard

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wagnerrp:

three new items, and no messages yet

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: The last few haven't been great deals

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: HAve you set it up yet BTW? Impressions?

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rodimus:

I've got it mostly set up now

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rodimus:

its hooked up to the tv and my hdpvr now

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rodimus:

mostly was working under winders last night to make sure the hdpvr was happy

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: speed? Volume?

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rodimus:

got fedora installed toward the end of the evening

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rodimus:

installed mythtv while sitting here at work

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iamlindoro_:

from what I can tell it appears it's quite quiet

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rodimus:

it handled 1080i content off the hdpvr ok

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rodimus:

though the audio sounded like shit for some reason

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rodimus:

(under windows here)

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rodimus:

and yeah, its pretty quiet

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rodimus:

maybe not quite as quiet and certainly not quite as small as a mac mini, but pretty close

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rodimus:

definitely much easier to get at its innards too

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rodimus:

overall, no complaints so far

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rodimus:

will spin up mythtv on it tonight

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iamlindoro_:

Very nice-- mine was still in Ohio last I checked, grrr

[21:25:27]

rodimus:

some of the led stuff on it is a bit annoyingly bright and unnecessary

[21:25:30]

iamlindoro_:

rodimus: Yeah, think the HD-PVR will start to give it fits under linux, but as long as you keep it at VBR it should be mostly doable

[21:25:33]

rodimus:

but I think it can be flipped off in the bios

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: yep, turn-offable in BIOS from what I understand

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clev:

duct tape also works well :P

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iamlindoro_:

clev: defeats the purpose of a marginally attractive frontend

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rodimus:

electrical tape > duct tape for that, but yeah

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iamlindoro_:

we don't want our house to look like... well yours.

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iamlindoro_:

er well, yours.

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clev:

i dont have duct tape on my computers :P

[21:26:37]

iamlindoro_:

firefly mini 9.99 at woot right now

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clev:

but some of them do somewhat need it...

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wagnerrp:

seems it is working, but i got the last message 10 minutes late

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: that works under linux?

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: I *believe* so (check yourself), I am certain about the regular firefly, not 100% on the mini

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clev:

and does woot ship to canada?

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wagnerrp:

it shows up as a HID device

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GreyFoxx:

woot will NOT ship to Canada

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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clev:

there goes that idea then:P

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iamlindoro_:

aaaand they're gone

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clev:

lol

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wagnerrp:

wow, 4 minutes... not even time to decide if i wanted one

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Dibblah:

I should have resisted :( :(

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dustybin:

clev: are you like Mr Potato head in wargames

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clev:

?

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clev:

dont remember that character

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: If you get a chance, I am particularly interested in whether you see the tearing issue w/ the Dell

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dustybin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiiBrEHBWA

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rodimus:

iamlindoro_: I presume its pretty obvious, and I should see it right away?

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iamlindoro_:

rodimus: I'm as inexperienced with it as you, just heard from janne and abqjp about it w/ the X3100s

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rodimus:

aha

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abqjp:

Sorry, did I miss a question?

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: was just asking rodimus to give me a heads up about the severity of the Intel tearing issue with the Dell

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abqjp:

Ah.

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Lynet:

Is that a (lack of) vsync issue?

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: Is it manifested in all video playback in all intel chipsets, or only sometimes, or only HD, or...?

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rodimus:

I do (did) see the occasional minor tearing issue on my mac mini, but it was pretty minor and infrequent

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Dibblah:

iamlindoro That depends fairly highly on the Intel driver version.

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Dibblah:

2.1+ doesn't support vsync interrupts on 2d surfaces.

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Dibblah:

(You have to hack the driver)

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iamlindoro_:

Dibblah: According to what I've been reading, it seems to be exhibited even on this week's intel driver, so it seems version-independant

[21:45:50]

Dibblah:

There's other oddness as well – The texture overlay is done on the 3d hardware by default, which doesn't work too well IME.

[21:46:03]

Dibblah:

You mean 2.4.98?

[21:46:12]

iamlindoro_:

2.5.0

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: http://anholt.livejournal.com/39921.html talks (briefly) about vblank issue. I assume the current driver is allowing screen updates when the vblank is not active, which allows you to see the tearing.

[21:46:21]

Dibblah:

2.5.0 is out?

[21:46:24]

iamlindoro_:

yes

[21:46:32]

abqjp:

2.5.0 is out, but does not fix the tearing.

[21:46:46]

Dibblah:

Oh. Anyway, vblank is not enabled in any driver 2.1+, I believe.

[21:46:51]

Dibblah:

As I said above.

[21:47:02]

Dibblah:

Unless you hack the code.

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iamlindoro_:

abqjp: interesting, what is their release schedule, anyway? How confident do you feel about a fix in the next release?

[21:49:03]

abqjp:

No idea. When they do fix the problem, I will pull my 7300GT out of my frontend and use it elsewhere. My frontend has a G35 chipset.

[21:49:52]

iamlindoro_:

I have to replace a GPU here at work with a high end FireGL, but the GPU is a pretty nice ATI one... might end up in a system at home if ATI actually comes through on the GPU accel thing

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abqjp:

I am annoyed that I will have to buy a new antenna by February. Two of my OTA HD stations are switching to Hi-VHF, then.

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dustybin:

im totally confused

[22:06:34]

dustybin:

"mplayer will only play AC3 or DTS raw over S/PDIF, using the -ac hwac3 or -ac hwdts switch."

[22:07:09]

dustybin:

so what happens if one has a AAC 5.1 track and a digitial reciever?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

abqjp: Why do you need a new antenna, because they're going to VHF and you've only got a UHF antenna?

[22:07:38]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: You output with analog outputs

[22:08:07]

iamlindoro_:

nothing wrong with plain old discrete analog outputs-- in fact, most 7.1 channel audio is done that way.

[22:08:25]

abqjp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: yup. I have a *very* nice UHF antenna, that will not extend down to the hi-VHF range.

[22:08:47]

iamlindoro_:

abqjp: could always add an inexpensive VHF antenna and make them an array

[22:09:15]

abqjp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: what really annoys me the most, is that VHF antennas are MUCH larger than a good UHF antenna.

[22:09:16]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

abqjp: I bought a vhf/uhf antenna at Rat Shack about 2 yrs ago on sale, like $49... pretty big monster. Haven't put it up yet though, I've got a nice UHF up there now.

[22:09:31]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

^ ah, yep! ;-)

[22:09:37]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: my soundcard has 1x analogue stereo output and 1x digital output

[22:09:56]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: time for a new sound card then. Or a transcode to AC3

[22:10:08]

iamlindoro_:

unless you had a compelling reason to use AAC in the first place, you made your own bed

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dustybin:

bloody 'eck

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: How old is it? Anything in the last few years has 6 jacks on it, which can be both analog and digital...

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dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A|work: its a audiophile 2496

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abqjp:

dustybin: nice card.

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iamlindoro_:

Good job saving that double digit value in MB by converting the AAC and making things 1000% harder to play

[22:11:02]

iamlindoro_:

er to AAC

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dustybin:

to hell with encoding to mp4, it cannot be done

[22:11:28]

iamlindoro_:

by you

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dustybin:

unless you dont mind losing your digital surround track using digital outputs

[22:11:34]

iamlindoro_:

T,FTFY

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: digital outputs are NOT the end all be all

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: Humm... a Musician's sound card, eh?

[22:12:15]

dustybin:

J-e-f-f-A|work: aye

[22:12:31]

iamlindoro_:

I *promise* you that with dime-store cabling you STILL could not tell the difference between AC3 via SPDIF and 6 analog outputs

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: think of all that messy cable

[22:13:00]

dustybin:

a new soundcard etc etc

[22:13:09]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: It doesn't have to be messy, get a pennies worth of zip ties

[22:13:19]

dustybin:

i think im going to just keep my movies as .iso and use mplayer to play them back, job done

[22:13:26]

iamlindoro_:

duh

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dustybin:

all that hassle to save a few gigs, storage is cheap

[22:13:55]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

dustybin: yeah, looks like you need a new sound card... "How do I hook up analog 5.1 to the M-Audio 2496?" Answer: "You don't! The M-Audio 2496 is an entry level pro audio card with only stereo outs (RCA) and is not setup for any sort of surround sound..."

[22:13:56]

fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: are there many stereos that accept surround sound input via 6 cables? (rca, headphone, etc)?

[22:14:09]

iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: s/many/most/

[22:14:16]

fryfrog:

cool

[22:14:17]

iamlindoro_:

via RCA

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fryfrog:

(i gots no surround sound yet)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

my 'older' Kenwood does... ;-) ~5 years old now, maybe more...

[22:14:31]

iamlindoro_:

any the VAST majority of 7.1 receivers will ONLY take analog

[22:14:40]

iamlindoro_:

for 8 channel, that is

[22:14:52]

iamlindoro_:

7.1 via HDMI is a very VERY late comer

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fryfrog:

why is that? no standard to carry 8 chans on digitcal?

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dustybin:

my music collection is lossless (FLAC) and my movie collection will be lossless too (.iso)

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iamlindoro_:

fryfrog: HDMI is the only other choice, and even then, only HDMI 1.3

[22:15:08]

fryfrog:

and by digitcal i mean digital :)

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fryfrog:

ah

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dustybin:

do bluray discs only contain AAC 5.1 soundtracks?

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iamlindoro_:

only lossless in the sense that *you* didn't lose any more

[22:16:12]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: No Blu ray discs have AAC

[22:16:39]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: blu ray discs have no AC3 digital audio track?

[22:16:45]

iamlindoro_:

AC-3 on a very few, but predomianntly the new "HD" audio formats.

[22:16:53]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: When did I say that?

[22:16:58]

iamlindoro_:

You asked about AAC

[22:17:03]

iamlindoro_:

Blu ray does not use AAC

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dustybin:

ok

[22:17:14]

iamlindoro_:

a few early disks have AC3

[22:17:34]

iamlindoro_:

all recent disks have TrueHD, DTSHD, E-AC-3, or lossless audio

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dustybin:

bloody heck

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: so one needs to connect a blu ray disc player via analogue outputs to listen to surround sound?

[22:19:07]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: unless you have a receiver capable of one of the new formats, which they would get via HDMI 1.3 or greater, presuming your receiver supports that and your player does too

[22:19:15]

dustybin:

right i see

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dustybin:

handbrake supports AC3 in the mp4 container, im not sure if mplayer is capable of detecting it, i shall find out...

[22:22:53]

iamlindoro_:

AC3 was only added to the MP4 container format VERY recently, lots of players that aren't up to date may be confused by it

[22:23:57]

iamlindoro_:

at least "officially"

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iamlindoro_:

although IIRC people have been shoehorning AC3 into MP4 for a while

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dustybin:

maybe the latest mplayer svn might support it

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iamlindoro_:

probably

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dustybin:

mplayer on debian doesnt support the dvd menu controls.. mplayer will need to be re-compiled

[22:33:05]

iamlindoro_:

or just use internal like God intended

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dustybin:

the internal doesnt buffer properly when using my frontend downstairs, i get lots of those pre-buffer pauses, if i use mplayer there isnt a problem

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dustybin:

also the internal player keeps on going out of sync with certain .isos

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squish102:

ok i have a fix for the ati card and the scrambled mythtv screen

[23:20:52]

iamlindoro:

squish102, go ahead, I think someone else (keith_?) had that same problem

[23:20:53]

squish102:

i had to do a mythfrontend -geometry 1441x901

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iamlindoro:

squish102, native res + 1?

[23:21:09]

squish102:

one pixel bigger than my display solved the problem

[23:21:14]

squish102:

yes

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iamlindoro:

very odd

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squish102:

very very very odd

[23:21:40]

iamlindoro:

!seen keith_

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MythLogBot:

keith_ was last seen 1 day 1 hour 39 seconds ago

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squish102:

and i am not going to try figure out why

[23:21:50]

iamlindoro:

hmm, maybe he'll drop back in

[23:22:02]

sphery:

squish102: what WM?

[23:22:03]

squish102:

i'll keep an eye out for him too then

[23:22:04]

iamlindoro:

I may play with ATI in the near future, so good to know

[23:22:29]

squish102:

now i need to get the sound over hdmi working

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squish102:

sphery xfce

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sphery:

iamlindoro: re: forking mythtv, I'd love to see a guy who won't even install the app, let alone look at the code--both a far cry from actually working on the code--fork Myth

[23:23:10]

squish102:

it is an mythbuntu 8.04.1 install with latest catylist 8.10 drivers

[23:23:33]

iamlindoro:

sphery, TBH I secretly want him to say he's doing so, it will put a cherry on top of the absurdity

[23:24:02]

sphery:

squish102: hmmm. If it were Compiz-whatever, I would have blamed the WM. May still be interesting to see if you have to do the same with other WM's.

[23:24:34]

iamlindoro:

interesting that two people in as many days had the same issue

[23:24:40]

iamlindoro:

both with the 8.10 drivers

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squish102:

sphery, true, i never tried other wm's

[23:24:43]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I'd love the laugh that would bring...

[23:24:57]

iamlindoro:

it's relatively few data points, but wonder if it points at a problem with the drivers

[23:25:11]

squish102:

but i tried the native apt-get drivers, 8.9 and 8.10

[23:25:21]

sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks, though for confirming my suspicion that the "FTA" he's talking about isn't so "F" as he implies.

[23:25:40]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, grrrrr :$

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sphery:

Had I known what you know, I would have posted a response to his OP that told him to go away.

[23:26:32]

iamlindoro:

sphery, based on his response to similar suggestions, I doubt he would comply

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sphery:

squish102: Yeah, it may be drivers, but could be any of a number of other things, too. If You do get a chance to figure out the why, please let us (and the list or wiki) know. :)

[23:27:46]

Lexridge:

Does anyone know why sometimes my myth recordings (scheduled) play back at 2x normal speed? This happens randomly BTW.

[23:28:21]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Yeah, but when theft/blatant copyright infringement is involved, I think fewer people would feed the flames.

[23:28:23]

squish102:

sphery i will do, although i am no techie

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iamlindoro:

squish102, technical enough to try geometry options in mythfrontend is above 90% of average myth users

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Sadly it's juuuuuuust this side of outright admission, or I would have seized on it myself

[23:29:22]

sphery:

squish102: that's the great thing about trial and error--you don't have to be a techie ;) (Just someone with a lot of time on his hands or a lot of motivation or a very stubborn attitude :)

[23:29:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I mean, you can technically watch yourself some religious programming and wa5tch newsanchors put on makeup with it, but...

[23:29:50]

sphery:

and, what iamlindoro said--you're far beyond most, already

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, true. though, just mentioning the suspicion probably would have goaded him into confirming it--after all, I'm sure he believes he's doing nothing wrong.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, another things I thought about trying ;)

[23:31:39]

iamlindoro:

er thing

[23:31:49]

justinh:

heh. I wonder who you're talking about...

[23:31:56]

sphery:

anyway, like many have said, best thing to do now is ignore it and hope it goes away

[23:32:06]

iamlindoro:

"I'm a linux guy." "I'm an FTA guy."

[23:32:11]

justinh:

on a more serious note I think there's a real problem that needs to be addressed and soon

[23:32:19]

iamlindoro:

now let's find out what happens when people stop being technical... and start getting REAL

[23:32:21]

sphery:

justinh: did we give it away? Was trying to be discrete to protect the guilty... :)

[23:32:24]

iamlindoro:

THE REAL WORLD, MYTHTV!

[23:33:32]

** mzb_d800 wonders if his name should be protected in order to save the innocent ;) **

[23:33:33]

iamlindoro:

OH, so yeah, anyone notice how if Mythcommflag flags the last or first bit of a program as a commercial, it puts an opening or closing bracket on the first or last frame?

[23:33:37]

** sphery waits anxiously for the real problem... **

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iamlindoro:

ie if frames 0–500 are commercials, it puts a start of the cutlist on 0?

[23:34:46]

iamlindoro:

if you leave the "opening" bracket there, you get one full keyframe-to-keyframe length in your cut even though frame 0 is set to cut

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sphery:

iamlindoro: there was a ticket/discussion about incorrect commskip behavior on "starts in commercial" flaglists... I think there was a fix. Were you the one who worked it?

[23:35:11]

iamlindoro:

but remove it and leave it an "unclosed" cut and no such problem

[23:35:28]

** sphery is getting very forgetful (and too lazy to look up the ticket) **

[23:35:31]

iamlindoro:

sphery, ah, no, but I was going to do so-- but I don't want to reinvent the wheel either

[23:35:31]

mzb_d800:

yeah, I've noticed the 0-pos cut mark ... always delete it

[23:36:24]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, this was really just a commskip thing, but it may have a happy consequence of fixing your issue, too...

[23:36:38]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, it's from when I load a commflag as cutlist

[23:36:56]

iamlindoro:

simple as detecting if a given cut is == 0 or the last framenum and disregarding it if so

[23:37:07]

mzb_d800:

getting to the stage where (mostly because the scheduling is so poor) that commflagging is not doing me much good ... I can edit a recording by hand a lot faster

[23:37:39]

mzb_d800:

s/scheduling HERE

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sphery:

was otto... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5667 , no patch, though

[23:38:08]

sphery:

mzb_d800: down under?

[23:38:13]

mzb_d800:

yep

[23:38:26]

janneg:

iamlindoro: I wouldn't be surprized if there are one-off errors in mythtranscode

[23:38:29]

sphery:

somehow I figured "scheduling is so poor" = down under

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iamlindoro:

janneg, hmm... maybe, it has seemed fairly regular in a few days of testing-- guess I will look at it more

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mzb_d800:

I've noticed that if I cut the head/tail off the recording that commflagging does a half decent job ... but with 10pre and 20post it's often so far out as to be completely useless

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iamlindoro:

janneg, *fairly* reliably if the first or last frame is "terminated" then I end up with a second of cut video there.... 100% since I've started looking at it. But go back and remove the opening on 0 or closing on the last frame and it never happens

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iamlindoro:

that said, I'm just one install and only a few days of looking at it

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janneg:

iamlindoro: I'm speaking of regular one-off errors, i.e. the frame there the cut lies is marked as cut in mythfrontend but mythtranscode includes that frame

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iamlindoro:

janneg, I see

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iamlindoro:

(I think) :)

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justinh:

sphery: whether there's a problem or not depends on whether or not the people who fan flames on the -dev list care about mythtv's image or not ;)

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sphery:

mzb_d800: yeah, I've always wondered if it would be easier for you all to just set up your systems to large blocks to "temp files" and turn them into real recordings with editing (i.e. modify editing to allow "cut to Program A" "cut to Program B", etc.)

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mzb_d800:

heh ... if I had the disk space

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sphery:

iamlindoro: why in the world would you install before asking questions on the -dev list?

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mzb_d800:

mind you, it's quite likely that a movie (including pre/post) will take up 10–11GB

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mzb_d800:

(SD mpeg2)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, you and your progressive ideas

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janneg:

so if you have a opening cut on the first frame mythtranscode might include that

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sphery:

justinh: Oh, I thought you were going to mention another problem. I agree, though, that his discussion of satellite theft is a problem.

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justinh:

I've always wondered about Aus scheduling mind – how the heck do advertisers let the broadcasters get away with such lessez-faire scheduling?

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iamlindoro:

janneg, ah, I've got you now

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sphery:

mzb_d800: 1.5TB drives are getting cheap. :)

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mzb_d800:

sphery: however, the "cut to progA" etc would be something I'm interested in for music videos

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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janneg:

sphery: how is installing or using something related to development?

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sphery:

janneg: lol... Still can't believe that guy.

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mzb_d800:

thinking about getting either more 500GB drives, or some 750GB ... 1TB and 1.5TB out of range

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mzb_d800:

(still have to wait and see how much I get paid ... I've got a strange billing system that involves "pay me what you think the job was worth, but keep in mind if you don't pay me enough I won't work for you again")

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justinh:

felt like replying on thread & suggesting he put a few VERBOSE where the sun doesn't shine myself ;)

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sphery:

mzb_d800: here in the US, 750GB drives have been in the $70-$80 range. I just got a 1.5TB for $170.

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janneg:

if you're good enough you can develop even without compiling

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justinh:

janneg: if you bother to look at the source, yeah

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mzb_d800:

s/the job was worth/what you're happy with/

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Lexridge:

Do you guys think this MB would work as a mythtv frontend? http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=prodd . . . ncat_no=388#

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Lexridge:

or is it too slow (500mhz)

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sphery:

janneg: I thought that was an art that perished with the invention of keyboards/monitors/computers faster than 1MHz. :)

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, I presume you are joking

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iamlindoro:

umm... right?

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janneg:

no need to, I can memorize all 30 lines of code to reimplemt mythtv in perl

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justinh:

Lexridge: 500Mhz is er... on the slow side even for playing standard def TV

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro: No, someone wants to sell me one cheap, I thought maybe it could work.

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mzb_d800:

in lieu of a real "cut to progA..." solution I've had another idea for a quick hack: user job to split a/b/c into seperate files)

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge, I really REALLY don't think that will work

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mzb_d800:

which I'm pretty sure would work, albiet rather slowly

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Lexridge:

okay, I'll nix that idea. thanks

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mzb_d800:

still faster than doing it by hand

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shiftplusone:

Hello, I am having sound issues... all the apps are able to use the sound device together (audacious and aplay can play different files and so on), but mythtv doesn't work if something else is trying to play audio

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shiftplusone:

and nothing else will work while mythtv is running

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Lexridge:

I guess it would make a good DD-WRT router instead. :)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: it's on my to-do list, that user job idea but apparently somebody has plans to look at that one day

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shiftplusone:

would anyone happen to know how to make sure mythtv or alsa behave?

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mzb_d800:

I'm planning on doing it asap ... if I get time I'll try and get something up for this weekend's rage: http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/

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mzb_d800:

eventually I might even find a way of "auto-naming" ... but that would probably need either a bright idea, or recording from the start

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mzb_d800:

(small problem with that idea though ... sometimes the first few songs don't seem to get played ... not sure how that works)

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mzb_d800:

so looks like a bright idea might be the best solution for auto-naming from a list ;)

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mzb_d800:

mind you ... might be easy enough just to supply a list of bands+songs ... after all, probably quicker/easier to edit a list than to cut/edit/save video ;)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: haven't heard of half the bands on that list but looks like an electic mixture. If only UK music channels would play anything but the same 10 songs all day :(

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justinh:

I wish there was an easier way to get music videos. some directors get their works compiled into 'the work of' DVDs which is ace but there's still not enough classic music video on DVD

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mzb_d800:

I can almost guarantee that I will get >6 videos that I (and ${WOMAN}) like over a weekend ... that's enough to keep us happy

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justinh:

do ABC play the videos with much screen junk on top?

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mzb_d800:

I've even got to the stage where when I'm working around the house I'll play the random music videos and just turn off the TV

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mzb_d800:

there's an ABC logo in the bottom right

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mzb_d800:

(semi-transparent iirc)

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justinh:

we can get 1/2 screen banners that walk on & off screen displaying all the info.. among other crap

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justinh:

and the channels tend to be 4:3, so anything wider gets letterboxed or cropped

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mzb_d800:

at one stage I was also recording from channel 10 (commercial) but the quality just wasn't there, too hard to edit + banner's == "Fred Nerk has won today's mobile phone for Pick Of The Day"

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xris:

sorry for the spam.. trying to group an "afk" nick but apparently you can't do that if it's already registered (even to me).

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justinh:

when dvd became so ubiquitous I naievely thought one day we'd have dvd singles with the video for the main song on. talk about a single format I'd buy :)

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mzb_d800:

the stuff on rage is mostly wide, although it varies. For a special edition of rage (eg. JJJ Hottest 100) the 4:3 is often filled with a 16:9 background.

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mzb_d800:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_J_Hottest_100

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xris:

yay..

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xris:

now I should auto-afk when I disconnect from my irc proxy.

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sphery:

shiftplusone: the device you've specifie for MythTV's "Audio output device" is not using dmix...

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justinh:

one of the very 1st recordings I've kept from mythtv 4 years ago is a music channel edited down to just leave Blur – Coffee & TV :)

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