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| [00:04:13] | GreyFoxx: | Cool. I dropped playback/livetv changes from 4seconds to 1second in my dev vmware session |
| [00:04:29] | GreyFoxx: | well, I guess I know for sure where I'm gonna be playing with next |
| [00:07:23] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx, channel changes? |
| [00:07:52] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [00:08:03] | fryfrog: | Bah, now when my firewire stb fails to record (lots of errors in dmesg, 0 byte files get created) my server's load shoots up to like 30 :/ |
| [00:08:10] | GreyFoxx: | starting experimenting on my slow dev vm |
| [00:08:16] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know whether I should congratulate you or offer condolences ;) |
| [00:08:23] | GreyFoxx: | 2 lines of code changes hehe |
| [00:08:38] | iamlindoro_: | (on account of all the whiny nitpicking you're likely to get from the squeaky wheels) |
| [00:09:03] | GreyFoxx: | I can ignore them. I have a lot of "fsck em" armour built up over the years :) |
| [00:12:38] | iamlindoro_: | I think I actually have broken liveTV currently |
| [00:13:12] | iamlindoro_: | with "Waiting for prebuffer" over and over until it times out |
| [00:13:39] | iamlindoro_: | But I never watch Live so it hasn't really bothered me |
| [00:13:56] | GreyFoxx: | me either |
| [00:14:04] | GreyFoxx: | but this echannel affects all playback startup |
| [00:14:10] | GreyFoxx: | so I'll benefit from it |
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| [00:25:14] | Dagmar: | I'd like to see a patch that asks the user simple trivia questions about the documentation the first five times Myth is started. |
| [00:26:16] | iamlindoro_: | MythLeisureSuitLarry? |
| [00:26:25] | fryfrog: | myth sim city? :) |
| [00:27:44] | directhex: | how about one which makes you look up rows & columns from the source, and enter hex codes? |
| [00:27:53] | justinh: | lol |
| [00:27:55] | ** iamlindoro_ thinks a rebuild is in order when his new frontend shows up ** | |
| [00:28:14] | iamlindoro_: | but for now LiveTV can be broken and not bother me |
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| [00:28:33] | fryfrog: | or you get a manual and it has brown background with black letters, so you can't photo copy for a friend :p |
| [00:28:44] | iamlindoro_: | King's Quest IV |
| [00:29:11] | justinh: | buy the optical key to unravel the help text |
| [00:29:25] | Dagmar: | All tha means is that you didn't know how to adjust the contrast on a photocopier |
| [00:29:30] | kormoc: | how bout we only cater to those who have tons of money |
| [00:29:44] | kormoc: | I say we charge $1 per line of source and they have to compile it themselves |
| [00:29:49] | Dagmar: | kormoc: That would mean starting by removing framegrabber support wouldn't it:? |
| [00:30:00] | Dagmar: | I'd be for that |
| [00:30:05] | kormoc: | Aye! |
| [00:30:22] | iamlindoro_: | I am sad to see the re-emergence of framegrabbers with the new generation of "hybrid" cards |
| [00:30:32] | iamlindoro_: | Thought the world had learned that lesson |
| [00:30:34] | directhex: | remove it anyway. switch to libclutter! 8D |
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| [00:30:43] | Dagmar: | What we should really do is start collecting testimonials from the people who originally started with a framegrabber card and later switched to a decent hardware-accellerated encoder |
| [00:31:15] | directhex: | right, bedtimez |
| [00:31:17] | justinh: | I did try a framegrabber once for giggles. I ended up not laughing. How do folk put up with it? |
| [00:31:19] | kormoc: | I went from a bt878 to a m-179 and now to a pvr-150 :) |
| [00:31:23] | Dagmar: | ...and just end the page with "IT'S JUST FIFTY BUCKS, PEOPLE. SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY!" |
| [00:31:47] | justinh: | Dagmar: "muh but miffyteevee is sposed to be cheaper than tivo.. Digg says so" |
| [00:32:14] | Dagmar: | justinh: To that I say "Good luck finding a working TiVo for less than $50." |
| [00:32:16] | iamlindoro_: | five minutes later, however, they come in screaming "WHUT?? NO FREE LISTINGZ?" |
| [00:32:30] | iamlindoro_: | "MythTV ripped me off!!!" |
| [00:32:45] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: they can form a spin-off group that distributes their listing data via p2p |
| [00:32:55] | kormoc: | Dagmar, but I just spend $200 on a 1.5 TB drive, I can't afford a $50 tv card! |
| [00:32:59] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, whilst "p2p commflagging" |
| [00:33:07] | Dagmar: | I mean, I'll admit it's a little annoying that you have to spend $40 or so on a PVR-150, but... |
| [00:33:43] | Dagmar: | Unless your free time is infinite, it just isn't worth messing with a framegrabber for all the trouble they cause unless you get one that is 100% functional and none of this "no-name card I bought on eBay for $15" |
| [00:34:46] | Dagmar: | The few that are 100% functional and reliable aren't doing anything as useful as being price-competitive, either. |
| [00:35:24] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro_: I've given quite a bit of thought to the P2P commflagging idea tho |
| [00:35:57] | Dagmar: | I still can't come up with any decent way to really sync things between various people's machines unless they're all exceptionally picky about running NTPd |
| [00:36:24] | Dagmar: | ...and there's SO many things that can throw everything 1/4-sec off |
| [00:36:49] | Dagmar: | Like, someone using an STB is looking at several frames of being behind someone who isn't using one |
| [00:36:53] | kormoc: | Dagmar, well, it's even as bad as if I have a pvr 150 and you have a pvr 250, the tuner can take longer to tune on one of them and there you're offset by a few frames |
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| [00:37:14] | kormoc: | or even hardware revisions of the same card |
| [00:37:16] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar, Commercial break lengths also vary |
| [00:37:22] | Dagmar: | ...and someone using a digital cable box is rather likely to see different commercials than someone who is using an analog cable box, watching the same channel, in the same market |
| [00:37:37] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [00:37:47] | Dagmar: | So like, the data would only be useful for people with nearly entirely identical hardware setups AND living in the same geographic area |
| [00:37:50] | kormoc: | it's just not something that's feasible |
| [00:38:04] | Dagmar: | Well, not with the number of users we have |
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| [00:38:15] | Dagmar: | ...and if there were enough users to make this feasible, lawyers would be all over us |
| [00:38:40] | justinh: | this might all become pretty moot within a reasonable timeframe anyway – we might have to try our best to ignore comepletely in-yer-face product placement |
| [00:38:40] | Dagmar: | THey would refer to the project as a "cabal to deprive advertisers of their viewing audience and steal broadcast content" |
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| [00:39:14] | justinh: | uhhh it's not _that_ much effort to press skip yay many times ;) |
| [00:40:14] | iamlindoro_: | I manually edit out the commercials of everything I watch regularly and do a lossless transcode before I even watch it |
| [00:40:15] | Dagmar: | ...but if as few as 5–6 people who were using identical setups and NTPd with "reasonable" accuracy, you could do something as simple as looking for black screens and using those to calibrate offsets and know where to apply new commflag markers based on what the other people are manually tweaking things to |
| [00:40:42] | iamlindoro_: | It's nice to have commflagging as an assist for cutpoints, but it still only takes 1–2 minutes to add cutpoints for an hourlong show from scratch |
| [00:41:21] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I've gotten lightning fast with it |
| [00:41:43] | Dagmar: | I just wish stations would more often leave in those >.5s bits of black |
| [00:41:43] | justinh: | once I RTFM'd I found editing to be really quick |
| [00:42:10] | justinh: | Dagmar: problem in the UK is that broadcasters leave no black at all |
| [00:42:20] | Dagmar: | It's way easier to deal with the "merely keyframe accurate" nature of the cutlist when skipping back and forth by keyframes |
| [00:42:46] | Dagmar: | justinh: Well, here sometimes we'll have 1–2 full seconds of black, and sometimes it'll only be 1–2 frames, if that |
| [00:43:25] | justinh: | I wish I could work out a way to parse the dvb subtitles & pattern recognise that rectangle I've seen in the subtitles of 3 out of 4 shows that mark the start & end of breaks |
| [00:43:44] | roz_: | is there anywhere in mythtv to specify to use XV? |
| [00:43:46] | Dagmar: | I should probably look into how I could maybe tell the encoder to double the number of keyframes per second from two to four |
| [00:43:57] | justinh: | roz_: it defaults to using Xv |
| [00:44:04] | iamlindoro_: | justinh, Of late in my market I've noticed that it literally goes from a top field of commercial into a bottom field of show on CBS |
| [00:44:20] | Dagmar: | I just don't like hearing that "PSSHT" that happens when you get 3–4 frames of a commercial's audio slipping in through the cracks |
| [00:44:24] | iamlindoro_: | making commercial flagging probably as futile as in the UK |
| [00:44:42] | justinh: | automated playout methinks ;) |
| [00:44:45] | Dagmar: | Oh hell, almost time for Heroes |
| [00:45:39] | justinh: | here's hoping we don't see much more of evil Claire. gawd her non-acting ability shows up even more when she tried to be angry |
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| [00:46:04] | Dagmar: | Some people just aren't cut out to be angsty |
| [00:46:10] | iamlindoro_: | They should just have all the heroes kill all the writers and start over |
| [00:46:16] | justinh: | hey I could sell her lessons :P |
| [00:46:34] | Dagmar: | I'd just be happy if they'd keep the little french girl. |
| [00:46:35] | Dagmar: | She's cute. |
| [00:46:39] | Dagmar: | I like her hair. |
| [00:46:55] | Hitman39: | hello everyone |
| [00:47:33] | justinh: | write Ali Larter out once & for all :) Eye candy indeed. pfff |
| [00:47:36] | Dagmar: | Oh HELL yes. Catfight in the *shower* on Chuck. |
| [00:47:38] | roz_: | is it possible that AGP 4x is NOT capable of 1080i playback? I have 3 PCs, one of them only supporting AGP4x and it is not playing back HD Content |
| [00:47:53] | iamlindoro_: | AGP has adequate bandwidth for 1080i |
| [00:48:10] | Dagmar: | roz_: Odds on that are pretty much zero. More likely your CPU can't keep up |
| [00:48:18] | justinh: | more likely some other variable is at play roz |
| [00:50:09] | Dagmar: | Way, way, way more likely, actually. |
| [00:50:33] | Dagmar: | Getting a CPU that can do 1080i without special codecs just about takes friends at Intel or AMD still |
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| [01:00:04] | Dagmar: | Hmm... maybe next time I won't remind people that Heroes is about to come on. |
| [01:00:10] | Dagmar: | Clearly it murdered the channel. |
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| [01:04:35] | fuxxy: | Is there a way to issue commands to be processed by the mythtv frontend? |
| [01:04:49] | fuxxy: | I'm trying to figure out why a mythtv command I have set to run when playing a dvd in mythvideo won't work, but the same command when issued by the user 'mythtv' works |
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| [01:05:22] | justinh: | maybe mythfrontend isn't running as the 'mythtv' user hey |
| [01:05:49] | fuxxy: | justinh, doubt it? I'm running mythfrontend via /home/mythtv/.xinitrc |
| [01:06:02] | fuxxy: | justinh, unless there's a config file somewhere I"m not aware of? |
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| [01:07:09] | justinh: | so what's the command you're trying to use? |
| [01:07:56] | fuxxy: | mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/dvd -ao alsa:device=iec958 -afm hwac3 -fs -zoom -vo xv -alang en |
| [01:10:06] | fuxxy: | ps aux reports taht mythbackend is running as root |
| [01:10:29] | fuxxy: | and mythwelcome is running as user 'mythtv' |
| [01:10:57] | fuxxy: | as is mythfrontend |
| [01:11:29] | Dagmar: | So what error are you getting when it doesn't work? |
| [01:12:31] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, no sound |
| [01:12:37] | fuxxy: | it plays the video though |
| [01:13:13] | fuxxy: | important information from mplayer: |
| [01:13:31] | fuxxy: | Could not parse arguments at the position indicated below: |
| [01:13:31] | fuxxy: | device-iec958 |
| [01:13:38] | fuxxy: | then later: |
| [01:13:51] | fuxxy: | Could not open/initialize audio device -> no sound. |
| [01:13:51] | fuxxy: | Audio: no sound |
| [01:14:36] | fuxxy: | I dont' know much about alsa and spdif |
| [01:14:53] | fuxxy: | however, the same EXACT command ran as user 'mythtv' works perfectly |
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| [01:16:19] | justinh: | argghh removing 'you will' from the wiki is going to be an endless task :( |
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| [01:23:10] | Dagmar: | fuxxy: Make a custom job that runs `id > /tmp/output.txt` and run it as a user job |
| [01:23:18] | Dagmar: | Then run `id` logged in as the mythtv user |
| [01:23:36] | Dagmar: | If they differ, then you were getting access to the sound device because of some group attribute that'll show up |
| [01:23:39] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, uh. you lost me |
| [01:23:53] | fuxxy: | custom job in mythtv frontend gui? |
| [01:23:56] | fuxxy: | or elsewhere? |
| [01:24:04] | Dagmar: | If they're the same, then you can probably get at sound because your distro uses PAM and the pam_console module and access to the sound devices comes from that you logged into the contsole |
| [01:24:28] | Dagmar: | You want the frontend to run it as a "user job". You've seen them |
| [01:24:32] | fuxxy: | ok |
| [01:24:35] | fuxxy: | just a second |
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| [01:25:33] | fuxxy: | trying to do this over vnc |
| [01:29:19] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, I have to shut down the frontend and run mythsetup to set up a user job, correct? |
| [01:29:26] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [01:29:31] | Dagmar: | Not that I remember anyway |
| [01:29:43] | Dagmar: | If you were expecting sound and VNC and ALSA to play together, you've lost yer mind |
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| [01:32:15] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, heheh |
| [01:32:27] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, just using vncserver so I can log in via gui |
| [01:32:54] | fuxxy: | the wife hogs the TV when I'm hacking |
| [01:34:13] | fuxxy: | okay, Job Queue (Job Commands) |
| [01:35:01] | fuxxy: | set as job #1 |
| [01:36:34] | fuxxy: | how would I run 'id'? |
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| [01:42:14] | fuxxy: | how do I manually run a myth job? |
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| [01:42:24] | Dagmar: | Ummm... By typing "id > /tmp/output.txt" in the little box there |
| [01:42:36] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, so when does it run? |
| [01:42:42] | Dagmar: | ...and then scheduling some piddling small recording and tell it to run the user job after |
| [01:42:51] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, mmm ok |
| [01:43:00] | Dagmar: | You've got up to four user jobs that can be triggered after a recording finishes |
| [01:43:30] | Dagmar: | Basically, the idea is to see if the user and group attributes are the same for the mythtv user when mythfrontend is running, from when you've logged in at the console |
| [01:43:52] | Dagmar: | I'm betting they'll be the same, and that you can't use sound without logging in at the console because of pam_console. |
| [01:44:06] | Dagmar: | You can, of course, just make the assumption that such is the case and chmod 777 the audio devices in question |
| [01:44:22] | fuxxy: | okay |
| [01:45:25] | fuxxy: | it's gonna be another 15 mins before the recording's done |
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| [01:49:26] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, I'm specifying an alsa device in my command |
| [01:49:34] | fuxxy: | how do I chmod an alsa device? |
| [01:51:09] | Dagmar: | Good point. |
| [01:51:19] | Dagmar: | What do you mean "specifying a device" tho |
| [01:51:49] | Dagmar: | I thought you were just running mythfrontend from console and letting it autostart as your two scenarios for comparison |
| [01:52:05] | Dagmar: | You don't have sound working for MythTV at any point? |
| [01:52:31] | Dagmar: | Dude if that's the case then you've just got an ALSA problem |
| [01:52:35] | fuxxy: | Dagmar, sound works fine normally |
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| [01:52:49] | fuxxy: | I chmodded 777 everything in /dev/sound/* just to see |
| [01:52:54] | fuxxy: | hmm |
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| [01:52:56] | fuxxy: | wait a second |
| [01:53:09] | Dagmar: | Just use the same params as you used for Mplayer in the frontend setup menus, OR (the easier route for some) make your default system output to be the device you wanted using /etc/asoundrc or whatever |
| [01:53:25] | Dagmar: | If sound works fine normally then _what problem are you having_? |
| [01:53:43] | fuxxy: | okay, hold up |
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| [01:54:08] | fuxxy: | I have myth set up to passthrough everything to the audio output device "ALSA:cards.pcm.iec958" |
| [01:54:17] | fuxxy: | normal tv works |
| [01:54:44] | fuxxy: | I piped the output of my mplayer command to a file |
| [01:54:55] | fuxxy: | that's how I got my mplayer errors |
| [01:55:01] | LoneShadow: | anyone using the winamp media player remote/receiver ? |
| [01:55:26] | LoneShadow: | on ebay they are selling these cheap serial IR receivers for $1 |
| [01:55:29] | fuxxy: | I wonder if that audio device is already in use? |
| [01:55:39] | fuxxy: | and alsa won't allow another connection? |
| [01:56:02] | LoneShadow: | anyone have any experience with this, online someone mentioned that the receiver is not that good |
| [01:56:04] | fuxxy: | no, because then I still wouldnt be able to hear audio when playing a file from command line |
| [01:56:05] | kormoc: | 500 gigs of tv is way too much |
| [01:56:50] | fuxxy: | I wonder if I change the player to "internal" and see what hapens |
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| [01:58:35] | xv6800: | can mythtv back-end be used as Windos Media Server? |
| [01:58:41] | xv6800: | can mythtv back-end be used as Windows Media Server? |
| [02:00:54] | Dagmar: | It'll work better. |
| [02:01:03] | Dagmar: | Internal is pretty much the vastly preferred player now |
| [02:02:21] | fuxxy: | well, internal works |
| [02:02:25] | fuxxy: | not sure if it's 5.1 |
| [02:02:34] | fuxxy: | but better than nothing at this point |
| [02:02:40] | Dagmar: | If you're writing to the 5.1 output device it will be |
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| [02:10:58] | fuxxy: | I'm writing to iec958 device |
| [02:11:10] | fuxxy: | which is spdif to my surround sound |
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| [02:57:22] | Wicked: | hello all...how can i get rid of the white lines at the top of the screen..there is a very very thin part on the top of the screen...looks like snow |
| [02:58:28] | mchou: | Wicked: that's normal. vbi stuff. adjust overscan in myth |
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| [02:59:09] | Wicked: | hmm ok. |
| [03:01:35] | Wicked: | would i set this in the adjust screen part? or how exactly do i do it? |
| [03:01:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Wicked: Set them both to 2% – works well.. |
| [03:02:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | no, in the playback settings. |
| [03:02:47] | Wicked: | hmm ok the vertical/horizontal scaling? |
| [03:02:55] | Wicked: | or scan displacement? |
| [03:03:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes, scaling. I have them set to 2, works well. |
| [03:03:53] | Wicked: | ok awesome thanks man =) |
| [03:04:29] | Wicked: | hmm i notice that go both ways. are yours -2 or +2? |
| [03:04:40] | Wicked: | *they |
| [03:05:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | just "2", so +2 |
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| [03:05:23] | Wicked: | ok thanks again =) |
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| [03:06:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Then go in and watch a recording. If you can still see a hint of them, put it a little higher until they're gone. |
| [03:06:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | That's usually the close-captioning data, on a normal tv is not visiable as it's in the overscan area. |
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| [03:20:06] | Wicked: | ah |
| [03:20:14] | Wicked: | seems to be gone |
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| [03:32:07] | siriuskr: | My Issue: I have a old happuage card or what ever probes up as bt848, anyways video works perfect coming in from my cable box, sound work only if i plug in line if of video card and use tv time. What i want to do is along with the Video in on my capture card there is audio plug ins and i cant seam to get them to work. |
| [03:32:11] | siriuskr: | any suggestions |
| [03:32:17] | siriuskr: | using alsa |
| [03:32:29] | siriuskr: | video comes in on /dev/video0 |
| [03:32:41] | siriuskr: | sound is setup to come in on /dev/dsp not sure if thats right |
| [03:33:48] | siriuskr: | **** sound only works only if i plug in line in of sound* card* and use tv time. ******* |
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| [03:55:43] | DarkDrgn2k: | Hey guys, thast the best way to convert a buch of ISO dvds to XVID |
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| [03:56:29] | pembo13: | i have the annoying issue of mythbackend failing to find both of my tv card every X number of boots |
| [03:56:41] | pembo13: | and I usually don't notice this till it's too late (programs have already past) |
| [03:56:48] | pembo13: | a simply reboot always fixes this |
| [03:57:03] | DarkDrgn2k: | pembo13: i have an annoying problem of CX18 failing to find my card ever X boot |
| [03:57:30] | pembo13: | DarkDrgn2k: have you been able to solve this prob: |
| [03:57:36] | cesman: | is it an issue w/ the cards changing /dev/videoX? |
| [03:57:43] | pembo13: | is there anything I can do to have this issue not continue? |
| [03:57:57] | pembo13: | cesman: it's posible, that happens sometimes with /dev/dsp |
| [03:58:10] | DarkDrgn2k: | pembo13: reboot and pray.... |
| [03:58:14] | cesman: | no |
| [03:58:15] | pembo13: | next time that happens i'll have to verity |
| [03:58:17] | pembo13: | rebooting always works |
| [03:58:19] | cesman: | udev |
| [03:58:33] | pembo13: | but it's just messed up as i find this out after a few programs have missed being recorded |
| [03:58:46] | cesman: | write a rule so the cards will always be recognized no matter what |
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| [03:58:58] | cesman: | check the wiki or mailing list archive |
| [03:59:04] | cesman: | or google writing udev rules |
| [04:01:06] | DarkDrgn2k: | my problem is the driver doesnt find a valid EEPROM after a reboot... randomly. |
| [04:01:12] | DarkDrgn2k: | have to total powerdown... then power up |
| [04:01:34] | cesman: | try the card in another slot (if you've not) |
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| [04:07:48] | siriuskr: | why can I playback to Line in 1 but i cant Capture line in 1 ... |
| [04:11:50] | pembo13: | i'll have to see if the dev names are just getting swapped |
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| [04:26:19] | mchou: | DarkDrgn2k: if you have tveeprom issues you have old crufty modules intermixed with new v4l/dvb modules on your kernel. |
| [04:27:19] | mchou: | DarkDrgn2k: tveeprom should always be reliable after reboot |
| [04:31:46] | Dagmar: | ...or, you've foolishly accepted the notion implied by that one kernel config option that says "autoselect needed helper modules" in the V4L stuff. |
| [04:31:47] | Dagmar: | It lies. |
| [04:31:51] | Dagmar: | It never gets it right. |
| [04:42:09] | Dagmar: | maco: Seriously? You're voting McCain? |
| [04:42:11] | Dagmar: | Wrong chna |
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| [05:19:22] | RyeBrye: | Hmm... this kind of sucks – A friend of mine gave me a 15" capacitive touch screen monitor with a USB interface to it that he wasn't using. |
| [05:19:30] | RyeBrye: | Good news: It's got linux drivers for it |
| [05:20:11] | RyeBrye: | Bad news: They are only for "2.6.24" or older – and if you try to compile them against a newer kernel, you get bitchslapped because apparently the "non-gpl' driver is trying to touch a symbol that is exported as GPL only |
| [05:20:21] | RyeBrye: | :( |
| [05:30:31] | cesman: | :( |
| [05:31:44] | RyeBrye: | Yeah... so I'm going to recompile a kernel where I just export all symbols as normal symbols – no GPL symbols – and see if I can get their kernel module to work |
| [05:31:49] | Anduin: | RyeBrye: Is it all source or is there a binary core in there? |
| [05:31:54] | RyeBrye: | Binary core, I htink |
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| [05:32:19] | RyeBrye: | In the module, I see it just having source |
| [05:33:05] | leop_: | in the xmltv listing grabber I can't find Australia? |
| [05:33:21] | leop_: | in the Capture Cards setup |
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| [05:34:22] | Anduin: | RyeBrye: if it is all source, well you are a simple module license change away, all the USB stuff it GPL only (or at least all the stuff you would want) |
| [05:34:24] | tyler: | when i try to run mythtv it says my mythtv backend is not running or something |
| [05:34:42] | Anduin: | tyler: It is usually correct, is it running? |
| [05:35:07] | tyler: | i have no idea...i dont see a program that says mythtv backend anywhere |
| [05:35:11] | tyler: | i see a mythtv setup |
| [05:35:28] | Anduin: | tyler: How did you install mythtv? |
| [05:35:35] | tyler: | package manager |
| [05:35:38] | tyler: | suse |
| [05:35:59] | tyler: | i see mythtv mythTV frontend and mythtv setup |
| [05:35:59] | Anduin: | the backend is often a separate component (though usually packed with mythtv-setup) |
| [05:36:24] | Anduin: | tyler: if you mean icons or something helpful like that, the backend will be a service |
| [05:36:42] | tyler: | well how do i make it run or tell if its running |
| [05:37:01] | Anduin: | I don't suse, however you would normally control services |
| [05:40:09] | leop_: | do I have to download the tv_grabber first before running the setup? |
| [05:40:20] | tyler: | anyone else have any ideas |
| [05:40:51] | RyeBrye: | Anduin – I tried throwing in a MODULE_LICENSE ("GPL"); towards the top of the main.c file – is that macro what tells the MODPOST thing what the license is? |
| [05:40:54] | cesman: | well, if the frontend is telling you the backend isn't running |
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| [05:41:01] | cesman: | that means the backend isn't running |
| [05:41:07] | tyler: | or it says is the ip adress correct |
| [05:41:15] | tyler: | bet its set to 127.0.0.1 |
| [05:41:16] | cesman: | perhaps there is an init script to start it |
| [05:41:27] | cesman: | or simply mythbackend in an xterm |
| [05:41:43] | leop_: | try /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start |
| [05:41:52] | cesman: | then start the frontend in an xterm |
| [05:42:12] | Anduin: | RyeBrye: Yeah, or was last time I worked on a kernel module |
| [05:42:26] | cesman: | if that doesn't work investigate the output in the xterms |
| [05:42:43] | tyler: | no such file or directory |
| [05:42:52] | cesman: | you can also log the backend and frontend |
| [05:43:03] | Anduin: | leop_: Yeah, before running mythtv-setup you should have your xmltv grabbers installed |
| [05:43:43] | leop_: | thanx Anduin, I'm in Australia where can I get xmltv for mythtv |
| [05:44:22] | cesman: | tvgrab_au ( I believe) |
| [05:44:53] | cesman: | tv_grab_au |
| [05:45:10] | cesman: | ls /usr/bin/tv_grab_au* |
| [05:45:42] | cesman: | assuming xmltv is installed, you should see something |
| [05:45:56] | Anduin: | tv_find_grabbers should list the installed ones that mythtv-setup will find |
| [05:46:17] | cesman: | you should note, at somepoint this was broken in Au (cannot recall all the details) |
| [05:47:02] | cesman: | Anduin: good call! |
| [05:47:15] | leop_: | I can't find it |
| [05:47:22] | leop_: | no such file |
| [05:47:32] | leop_: | where can I download it from |
| [05:47:33] | cesman: | what no such file? |
| [05:47:39] | cesman: | what distro are you using? |
| [05:47:44] | leop_: | tv_grab_au |
| [05:47:52] | leop_: | or tv_grab_au* |
| [05:48:02] | cesman: | _is_ XMLTV installed? |
| [05:48:20] | leop_: | I installed the mythbuntu distro |
| [05:48:33] | ** cesman couldn't tell you about mythbuntu ** | |
| [05:48:37] | leop_: | shouldn't be installed |
| [05:49:02] | ** cesman does know that is works w/ KnoppMyth ;) ** | |
| [05:49:44] | leop_: | I'll download KnoppMyth and install it then |
| [05:50:02] | Anduin: | google for tv_grab_au and mythtv has some wiki, don't know how accurate it is, tv_grab_au isn't in my default XMLTV install though |
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| [05:50:29] | leop_: | Ok |
| [05:50:55] | tyler: | is the backend the sql server? |
| [05:51:11] | Anduin: | tyler: no, it is a process cryptically called "mythbackend" |
| [05:51:34] | cesman: | leop_: Several of my testers are in Australia and there work to ensure all works "down under"... |
| [05:51:50] | cesman: | leop_: if you do install KnoppMyth and have questions, come to #knoppmyth |
| [05:52:19] | cesman: | look for myself or slartybartfast |
| [05:52:56] | Anduin: | tyler: You should use your package manager's search to see if the backend is packaged separately or see if you have mythbackend anywhere |
| [05:53:38] | tyler: | actually i think i got the backend to start just by typing mythbackend |
| [05:54:06] | tyler: | but do i have to leave the terminal window minimized...cause as soon as i close it it stops i think |
| [05:55:25] | cesman: | if you close the terminal, the backend will die |
| [05:55:40] | wagnerrp: | unless you background it first |
| [05:55:45] | Anduin: | tyler: there will be a proper way to start it, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Suse_Howto indicates rcythbackend start |
| [05:55:47] | cesman: | I'd suggest leaving the terminal minimized until you et things straighten out |
| [05:55:56] | cesman: | the find a guide on Suse |
| [05:56:10] | cesman: | Anduin: again, nice work! :) |
| [05:56:34] | Anduin: | sadly it is all the google, and I only knew about tv_find_grabbers because of a recent bug |
| [05:58:30] | cesman: | still, you shared your knowledge! |
| [05:59:22] | tyler: | after i scan the tv channels what is the code i type to add those channels to the backend server or whatever |
| [06:00:34] | ** cesman thinks tylers needs to spend time w/ MythTV docs and the wiki ** | |
| [06:00:41] | tyler: | :) |
| [06:00:53] | cesman: | tyler: I think in most cases, XMLTV takes care of the work for you... |
| [06:01:05] | cesman: | tyler: where are you located? |
| [06:01:21] | tyler: | United States |
| [06:01:34] | cesman: | then spend $20 and sign up for Schedules Direct |
| [06:01:51] | tyler: | i wanna get my tv working first :) |
| [06:01:56] | tyler: | i scan for channels and it found themn |
| [06:02:13] | tyler: | i got backend working....and now i try to hit the watch tv button but nothing happens |
| [06:02:25] | cesman: | you should set everything up in mythtv-setup, then start then backend, then the frontend |
| [06:02:48] | leop_: | found a wiki I'll read it first |
| [06:02:52] | leop_: | thanks guys |
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| [06:03:08] | cesman: | tyler: are you adding MythTV to your Suse "desktop" or is this a standalone system _only_ for MythTV |
| [06:03:20] | tyler: | desktop |
| [06:03:34] | ** cesman thinks tylers needs to spend time w/ MythTV docs and the wiki ** | |
| [06:03:38] | cesman: | :) |
| [06:05:30] | tyler: | could it be because i didnt set a default storage directory...i just wanna watch live tv |
| [06:08:02] | ** cesman thinks tylers needs to spend time w/ MythTV docs and the wiki ** | |
| [06:08:06] | Anduin: | tyler: you should look at the backend log, then the frontend (where they are varies though /var/log/mythtv looks promising) |
| [06:08:18] | cesman: | tyler: you need to 1)run mythtv-setup and go thru the steps |
| [06:08:34] | cesman: | 2) run the backend |
| [06:08:48] | cesman: | 3) start the frontend |
| [06:08:57] | Anduin: | and a good howto is indispensable the first few tries |
| [06:09:09] | cesman: | again, you should sign w/ Schedules DIrect as this is how you'll obtain programming data |
| [06:09:37] | cesman: | https://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [06:09:47] | Anduin: | free seven day trial or something like that as well |
| [06:10:16] | cesman: | right |
| [06:10:19] | cesman: | http://www.mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythInstall |
| [06:10:54] | cesman: | tyler: since you have packages, you can start here http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html |
| [06:11:10] | tyler: | thanks ill try |
| [06:11:20] | cesman: | actually might be a good idea to start w/ http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html |
| [06:11:29] | cesman: | unless you don't have a remote |
| [06:12:00] | tyler: | i run setup it do everything then run backend....then start front end and click watch tv and nothing happens....even though it finds a shit load of channels and stuff |
| [06:16:49] | cesman: | if running from an xterm, investigate the output |
| [06:17:16] | cesman: | if running the backend from init script, it may output to a log, you need to investigate that |
| [06:17:22] | cesman: | perhaps /var/log/mythtv... |
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| [06:19:07] | tyler: | ok i got it working cesman...but i only got the analog part of my tv tuner card working |
| [06:19:17] | tyler: | i want to be able to pick up my cables HDTV feeds |
| [06:19:29] | wagnerrp: | what card? |
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| [06:19:53] | tyler: | http://en.opensuse.org/Pinnacle_USB_PCTV |
| [06:20:00] | tyler: | its a hybrid |
| [06:21:25] | tyler: | but i choose dvb dtv capture card v3.x and scan channels and it sees stuff but says no signal...i know i get like 8–10 hdtv channels through my local cable |
| [06:22:02] | tyler: | also how do i know whether to scan with quam 256 or 64 cable high cable hr and all that stuff |
| [06:22:18] | wagnerrp: | 256, normal |
| [06:22:29] | wagnerrp: | anything else is extremely rare |
| [06:22:43] | wagnerrp: | you can also check previous scans at silicondust.com |
| [06:23:26] | tyler: | cable high cable hrc? |
| [06:23:29] | tyler: | whats all that mean |
| [06:23:37] | wagnerrp: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
| [06:24:02] | tyler: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui . . . stcode=99004 |
| [06:24:14] | tyler: | 8vsb? |
| [06:24:18] | Anduin: | tyler: don't know how old the info is but: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . ro_USB_Stick doesn't look good |
| [06:24:34] | tyler: | yeah its a piece of poop |
| [06:24:41] | tyler: | i got it reconized and working fine though for analog |
| [06:24:41] | Anduin: | tyler: 8vsb = over the air |
| [06:25:04] | wagnerrp: | the lineup looks pretty decent though |
| [06:25:07] | tyler: | im connected to the local cable so that doesnt apply to me |
| [06:25:32] | wagnerrp: | tlc, discovery, history, a&e, espn, tnt, tcm |
| [06:25:46] | wagnerrp: | hell, i dont even get tcm on analog |
| [06:25:59] | Anduin: | tyler: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . Stick_(800e) tells the version that would have a chance of working |
| [06:26:55] | tyler: | i notice that when i scan qam256 it starts at 78...why is that? |
| [06:27:32] | wagnerrp: | those are the frequencies allocated to digital feeds |
| [06:27:51] | tyler: | ok |
| [06:28:07] | tyler: | do i wanna scan with normal cable...or cable high cable hrc cable irc |
| [06:28:15] | wagnerrp: | normal |
| [06:28:49] | tyler: | its weird i see the signal thing being very high but after the channel scan it still says no signal |
| [06:29:25] | wagnerrp: | most channels are encrypted |
| [06:29:42] | wagnerrp: | you might be able to tune to the, but theres no usable feed |
| [06:30:00] | tyler: | why would they be encrypted...im paying for the cable |
| [06:30:15] | wagnerrp: | because its being broadcast to everyone |
| [06:30:28] | wagnerrp: | if they were unencrypted, everyone who had cable would get those channels |
| [06:30:46] | wagnerrp: | you cable box has the codes to decrypt the channels you pay for |
| [06:30:55] | tyler: | lol |
| [06:30:56] | tyler: | fuck |
| [06:30:58] | tyler: | sorry |
| [06:31:10] | tyler: | my local cable company is so lol |
| [06:31:21] | tyler: | the box they gave me...it doesnt even have anything above s video |
| [06:31:37] | tyler: | so i cant get any signals above 480i transferred to my monitor |
| [06:31:38] | wagnerrp: | thats because you just have a digital STB, rather than an HD STB |
| [06:31:45] | wagnerrp: | call them up and get them to replace it |
| [06:32:01] | tyler: | i did, they said they dont have anything better than this tuner box |
| [06:32:07] | wagnerrp: | at least with my provider, the rental fee is the same |
| [06:32:20] | tyler: | its a mom and pops cable company in a shity town |
| [06:32:33] | wagnerrp: | thats absolute bullshit |
| [06:32:47] | wagnerrp: | why would they be transmitting HD feeds, if they dont have hardware to receive them |
| [06:32:49] | tyler: | yes i was very pissed...im like the lady told me i could get the hd channels but all thsi box has is s video |
| [06:33:08] | tyler: | well like if i had a tv instead of a monitor with digital tuner then i could get them right? |
| [06:33:21] | tyler: | oh wait that would be the same thing as having what i have now |
| [06:33:31] | wagnerrp: | a tv IS a monitor with a digital tuner |
| [06:33:41] | tyler: | yeah |
| [06:33:42] | wagnerrp: | the only difference between a TV and a monitor is the existance of a tuner |
| [06:34:12] | tyler: | im aware of that |
| [06:35:15] | tyler: | the thing is...all of the hdtv channels it offers are the same channels you get digital for free over the air |
| [06:35:25] | tyler: | so why would they encrypt them...there all local stations |
| [06:35:36] | tyler: | abc, nbc, cbs for ex |
| [06:35:46] | wagnerrp: | they are required by law to rebroadcast those channels unencrypted |
| [06:37:04] | tyler: | i am 15 miles from the big city where they broadcast these channels...should a normal shity antenna get these over the air? |
| [06:37:12] | wagnerrp: | anything you can get over the air, you should be able to get over cable |
| [06:37:22] | wagnerrp: | although they frequently drop the extra subchannels |
| [06:37:36] | wagnerrp: | what is a 'normal shitty antenna' |
| [06:37:59] | tyler: | well that tv tuner i have...came with a antena that plugs into it |
| [06:38:26] | wagnerrp: | ok, that is a horrid shitty antenna |
| [06:38:52] | wagnerrp: | if you have an old yagi on your roof, you should have no problem at 15 miles |
| [06:38:58] | wagnerrp: | assuming theres not a mountain in between |
| [06:40:06] | tyler: | ah i live in an apartment complex |
| [06:40:44] | tyler: | thanks for chatting with me btw |
| [06:41:28] | wagnerrp: | anything capable of 15 miles is going to be somewhat obtrusive |
| [06:41:48] | wagnerrp: | usually antenna are color coded anymore |
| [06:42:00] | wagnerrp: | check out www.antennaweb.org |
| [06:42:09] | tyler: | ontrusive? |
| [06:42:15] | tyler: | obtrusive? |
| [06:42:39] | wagnerrp: | large, in-the-way |
| [06:43:02] | tyler: | oh snap... the one i have is like 2.5 feet high full extended |
| [06:43:07] | wagnerrp: | something you would want to hang outside if possible, rather than sitting in the middle of your living room |
| [06:43:32] | wagnerrp: | so its just a pair of bunny ears? |
| [06:44:20] | tyler: | well just one bunny ear |
| [06:44:22] | tyler: | :) |
| [06:44:52] | wagnerrp: | so a whip |
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| [06:44:57] | wagnerrp: | anyway, go to antennaweb |
| [06:45:02] | tyler: | so if they included all the local HD channels they should be unencrypted....scanning qam-256 and not finding anything |
| [06:45:09] | tyler: | im there |
| [06:45:13] | tyler: | im not gonna buy one |
| [06:45:17] | wagnerrp: | it will list out what channels you get, at what range, and what type of antenna you need |
| [06:46:22] | wagnerrp: | they are required by law to provide the local broadcast channels in clear qam |
| [06:46:51] | wagnerrp: | but like i said, they often leave out things like secondary news or weather channels |
| [06:47:08] | wagnerrp: | or they may only give you 1–2 channels of PBS, rather than the full 5–6 |
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| [06:47:23] | waxhead: | hi everyone... |
| [06:47:51] | waxhead: | I have an interesting issue with the video player ( or what ever the componet that play vob files is )... |
| [06:48:25] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not play vobs |
| [06:48:34] | wagnerrp: | it usually loads xine or mplayer to handle those |
| [06:48:38] | Anduin: | waxhead: what is it? |
| [06:48:53] | Anduin: | (it will play vobs) |
| [06:48:54] | waxhead: | cool... so that's who I bug about this then... thanks.. |
| [06:49:19] | wagnerrp: | Anduin: it can handle vobs, it just doesnt play full dvds? |
| [06:49:29] | waxhead: | Anduin: I did a perfect rip of a DVD, so only hte vob is on the disk... |
| [06:49:52] | Anduin: | wagnerrp: It will do both, though some vobs may need seek info built to play well |
| [06:49:57] | waxhead: | it's when I play past a certain point, that you can't pause it, or save the postion... .and I'm wondering why this might be |
| [06:50:31] | waxhead: | interesting when you look at the time ( totals and time left ) it's out be half ( at a guess ) |
| [06:50:32] | wagnerrp: | its probably once you jump to the second vob |
| [06:50:44] | wagnerrp: | usually 15–20 minutes in |
| [06:51:16] | waxhead: | wagnerrp: interesting.. there's only the one.vob file on the filesystem |
| [06:51:40] | wagnerrp: | well then something is broken |
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| [06:51:49] | wagnerrp: | the vobs on a dvd are no more than 1GB in length |
| [06:52:21] | waxhead: | I get to about 47minutes, anything past that can't be "calcualted" so skipping past this 47 miunute point nealry always takes you to the end of the movie... |
| [06:52:28] | Anduin: | waxhead: try mythcommflag --video yourvobfile |
| [06:53:04] | wagnerrp: | how large is the file? |
| [06:53:38] | waxhead: | 5140283392 2008-10–12 14:32 IRON_MAN_AU.vob |
| [06:53:53] | waxhead: | certainly big enough to be the whole movie.. |
| [06:54:10] | waxhead: | I've stopped doing the perfect rip and do ISO instead |
| [06:54:10] | tyler: | You need a Small Multidirectional Antenna. |
| [06:54:17] | tyler: | is that what i have wagnerrp |
| [06:54:58] | wagnerrp: | that is what you have |
| [06:55:22] | tyler: | so you know how my tuner is a hybrid |
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| [06:55:31] | tyler: | meaning theres an analog and a digital part |
| [06:55:42] | tyler: | what one do i wanna use for off the air? |
| [06:55:55] | wagnerrp: | nearly all digital tuners have an analog side as well |
| [06:56:01] | wagnerrp: | the hybrid means you can only use one at a time |
| [06:56:06] | tyler: | yeah |
| [06:56:29] | tyler: | but when i choose to add a tv tuner i get the choice between the analog one and the digital one |
| [06:56:44] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [06:56:46] | wagnerrp: | add both |
| [06:56:51] | wagnerrp: | and then add them to a recording group |
| [06:56:57] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv knows it can only use one at a time |
| [06:57:01] | tyler: | how do i switch between the 2 in myth |
| [06:57:06] | wagnerrp: | or tuner group, something like that |
| [06:57:24] | wagnerrp: | open up the onscreen menu, select input |
| [06:57:52] | tyler: | damn im almost 100 percent through scanning qam 256 and found nothing |
| [06:57:55] | tyler: | i dunno what the deal is |
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| [06:58:24] | wagnerrp: | try using dvbscan (from the command line) |
| [06:58:47] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend who was struggling to get a pinnacle pci tuner to work |
| [06:58:55] | wagnerrp: | the scanner in mythtv-setup wasnt working |
| [06:59:12] | wagnerrp: | but running an external scanner and then importing the channels.conf file worked fine |
| [06:59:43] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the real problem was though |
| [07:00:19] | tyler: | yeah it gets like 80 percent through scanning and mythtv just closes |
| [07:00:24] | tyler: | how do i use dvbscan? |
| [07:00:37] | wagnerrp: | check the wiki |
| [07:00:45] | tyler: | k |
| [07:00:50] | tyler: | did it come with mythtv? |
| [07:01:05] | wagnerrp: | its 'dvbscan <frequency list>' |
| [07:01:16] | wagnerrp: | its an external program, unrelated to myth |
| [07:01:31] | tyler: | so i have to install it from respitories? |
| [07:01:43] | wagnerrp: | and youll have to figure out where your distro put the frequency list files |
| [07:02:19] | tyler: | is there any other program besides mythtv where i could try to watch my digital tv channels |
| [07:02:24] | tyler: | that might be easier |
| [07:02:28] | Anduin: | tyler: the channel scanner is a little buggy in the release and can require setting the processor affinity (man settask) |
| [07:02:37] | mchou: | tyler: mplayer works |
| [07:02:46] | wagnerrp: | once you generate a channels.conf, mplayer works |
| [07:03:10] | mchou: | vlc works too |
| [07:03:16] | tyler: | ah ok..so i need to use dvbscan to generate a channels.conf |
| [07:03:17] | tyler: | ok |
| [07:03:30] | mchou: | but mplayer is a bit easier |
| [07:04:01] | wagnerrp: | once you have a channels.conf, mplayer is just 'mplayer dvb://<channel>' |
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| [07:06:08] | tyler: | does my dvb have a dvb address right now? |
| [07:06:28] | tyler: | like where is it mounted |
| [07:06:29] | wagnerrp: | thats just for mplayer |
| [07:06:38] | wagnerrp: | /dev/dvb/adapter0 |
| [07:06:44] | tyler: | ok |
| [07:07:03] | tyler: | but i cant use that without a channels.conf |
| [07:07:16] | wagnerrp: | because mplayer doesnt understand how to tune |
| [07:07:27] | wagnerrp: | if youre already tuned into a stream, mplayer can just play it directly |
| [07:07:52] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, it needs that file to tell it where the channels are mapped |
| [07:08:19] | tyler: | any ideas of the package name for dvb in suse |
| [07:09:11] | tyler: | LinuxTV dvb-apps |
| [07:09:16] | tyler: | is what is says in wiki |
| [07:09:40] | mchou: | tyler: just follow the wiki |
| [07:10:11] | tyler: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Scan |
| [07:10:13] | tyler: | this one |
| [07:10:14] | mchou: | it's not as bad or outdated as other wikis even thought there is info there that is wrong |
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| [07:20:29] | tyler: | so if my digital tuner is at /dev/dvb/adapter0....where is my analog at? |
| [07:20:55] | wagnerrp: | /dev/v4l/video0 |
| [07:21:42] | mchou: | wagnerrp: nope. not necessarily |
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| [07:22:02] | wagnerrp: | well thats where mine show up |
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| [07:22:07] | wagnerrp: | framegrabbers may be different |
| [07:22:14] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:22:52] | mchou: | tyler: if that's the only capture card on your system they both show up at 0 |
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| [07:23:17] | mchou: | tyler: if not, look into module options like video_nr |
| [07:24:22] | tyler: | whats the difference between dvb-c -s and -t? |
| [07:24:40] | wagnerrp: | cable, satellite, terrestrial |
| [07:24:47] | tyler: | ah |
| [07:24:49] | wagnerrp: | none of which you have to worry about in the US |
| [07:24:55] | tyler: | okay dokay |
| [07:25:16] | wagnerrp: | atsc and qam tuners just got lumped into an existing dvb framework |
| [07:25:45] | wagnerrp: | but are not part of the dvb standard |
| [07:27:16] | tyler: | dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [07:27:16] | tyler: | Unable to query frontend status |
| [07:27:55] | mchou: | tyler: turn off mythbackend |
| [07:28:37] | tyler: | im pretty sure it is off...i closed the terminal window |
| [07:28:54] | tyler: | is there a mythbackend command i can use to make sure |
| [07:29:05] | wagnerrp: | killall mythbackend |
| [07:29:05] | mchou: | oh lord |
| [07:29:16] | wagnerrp: | time to learn a bit of linux... |
| [07:29:19] | tyler: | new linux user...sorry guys |
| [07:29:34] | tyler: | :) 3 days with it...ive learned a lot so far |
| [07:30:00] | RyeBrye: | I like pkill more than killall – but to each his own :) |
| [07:30:08] | tyler: | mythbackend: no process killed |
| [07:30:12] | RyeBrye: | speaking of pkill... pkill -9 ryebrye |
| [07:30:26] | RyeBrye: | oops. pkill -9 RyeBrye |
| [07:30:28] | tyler: | i guess it wasnt running |
| [07:30:29] | RyeBrye: | (time for bed) |
| [07:30:36] | wagnerrp: | personally i do 'kill `ps ... | grep .... | awk...`' but whos counting |
| [07:30:38] | RyeBrye: | ps ax | grep mth |
| [07:30:44] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [07:30:52] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp – I'm pretty sure that's what pkill does internally |
| [07:31:07] | RyeBrye: | ps ax | grep myth |
| [07:31:20] | wagnerrp: | anyway, im happy i didnt think to get on irc when i started with posix systems |
| [07:31:32] | wagnerrp: | i never managed to be the clueless newbie around others |
| [07:31:46] | wagnerrp: | only the clueless experienced user |
| [07:31:49] | tyler: | i love to be the clueless noobie |
| [07:31:55] | RyeBrye: | I think I read a book when I was a kid on UNIX systems |
| [07:32:10] | tyler: | so i typed that and it said no process killed...it was never running was it? |
| [07:32:11] | wagnerrp: | 'this is unix, i know this' |
| [07:32:32] | tyler: | hay in 1 year i will be the experienced helping the noobie |
| [07:33:07] | wagnerrp: | in one year, you will be giving bad information to the newbie |
| [07:33:14] | wagnerrp: | im 8 years in and still give bad information |
| [07:33:50] | tyler: | hahaha |
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| [07:35:24] | wagnerrp: | when theres hundreds of distros, and half a dozen VERY common ones, all doing their own thing |
| [07:35:32] | wagnerrp: | its hard to give consistent advice in linux |
| [07:35:59] | tyler: | i agree |
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| [07:42:18] | tyler: | i restarted and try to run dvbscan /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 |
| [07:42:18] | tyler: | Unable to query frontend status and i still get that |
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| [07:52:12] | tyler: | is there anything else besides dvbscan that i can use |
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| [08:05:57] | tyler: | when im scanning channels over the air in myth tv was does lock and no lock mean |
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| [08:52:30] | directhex: | lock means it's found something on a frequency |
| [08:52:34] | directhex: | no lock means it hasn't |
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| [09:15:02] | hachi: | is there a wiki page for applying Wake on LAN events to wake up slave backends? |
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| [09:24:18] | justinh: | I thought an MBE could send WOL events |
| [09:32:55] | justinh: | ruh? my backend has fallen over & there's no log |
| [09:34:52] | justinh: | I mean literally no log file |
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| [09:36:11] | justinh: | heh it's been rotated. last entry is 2008-10–21 05:16:56.352 Failed to init MythContext, exiting. |
| [09:36:22] | justinh: | what the hell?! |
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| [09:52:49] | justinh: | oh. several db tables are marked as crashed & should be repaired |
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| [09:56:58] | justinh: | 2008-10–21 05:16:56.184 Cannot locate your home directory. Please set the environment variable HOME or MYTHCONFDIR |
| [09:57:06] | justinh: | what is all that about then? |
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| [10:32:42] | ITguru: | Where can I find a guide for setting up myth tv and sky plus in the UK? |
| [10:36:20] | directhex: | you won't. mythtv's functionality IS that of sky plus – i.e. guides for using myth with regular sky apply, as you would not use any of the plus functions as well as myth |
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| [10:44:42] | justinh: | this is annoying. being expected to do work while my backend is broken. ffs |
| [10:45:29] | justinh: | why wouldn't mythbackend running as the user mythtv be able to find /home/mythtv ? |
| [10:46:11] | justinh: | it starts up just fine but that log entry has me concerned |
| [10:47:18] | ITguru: | directhex, i see your point. |
| [10:48:28] | ITguru: | directhex, I see your point. I also have a normal sky box, which I wanted to use to build my myth tv box, and then consider what to do with the other subscription |
| [10:49:18] | justinh: | have two Sly boxen going into a myth box – record TWO Sly channels at the same time :) |
| [10:49:34] | justinh: | one tuner is seldom enough |
| [10:49:52] | justinh: | trouble is though, one tuner, one IR blaster, one hassle |
| [10:50:03] | justinh: | two tuners, two IR blasters... loads more hassle |
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| [10:50:26] | jduggan: | yea two blasters i can see being a knightmare |
| [10:50:40] | jduggan: | tbh if youre using sky boxes, its easier to get sky+ |
| [10:50:40] | jduggan: | :| |
| [10:50:57] | justinh: | yup |
| [10:51:19] | opello: | i suppose the same logic applies to directv over here :) |
| [10:51:54] | justinh: | since SLy aren't charging subscriptions for their + boxes anymore it'd make sense |
| [10:52:13] | jduggan: | i cant justify sky |
| [10:52:19] | jduggan: | i want tv in three rooms |
| [10:52:19] | justinh: | nor me |
| [10:52:28] | justinh: | there's FA worth watching on pay telly anyway |
| [10:52:31] | jduggan: | im not paying what they want |
| [10:52:37] | jduggan: | my sentiments exactly |
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| [10:52:40] | jduggan: | although i do have cable |
| [10:52:46] | jduggan: | but thats only because it came bundled |
| [10:52:48] | jduggan: | :p |
| [10:52:52] | jduggan: | with phone and internet |
| [10:52:53] | justinh: | there's precious little enough on terrestrial telly |
| [10:52:58] | jduggan: | 3 for 20quid |
| [10:53:03] | justinh: | yeah we have the basic package |
| [10:53:15] | jduggan: | my partner uses it for on demand stuff |
| [10:53:20] | justinh: | great for the iPlayer |
| [10:53:25] | jduggan: | indeed |
| [10:53:43] | jduggan: | works well |
| [10:54:03] | justinh: | I like how their own ondemand stuff has no adverts in the middle :) |
| [10:54:09] | justinh: | YET |
| [10:54:11] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:54:31] | jduggan: | do they have ITV on their ondemand yet |
| [10:54:36] | jduggan: | i havent looked in ages |
| [10:54:36] | justinh: | no idea |
| [10:54:42] | justinh: | don't watch ITV |
| [10:54:54] | justinh: | oops. been recording the griff ryhs jones effort |
| [10:54:59] | justinh: | I told a lie :P |
| [10:55:35] | jduggan: | what?? no HEARTBEAT? |
| [10:55:41] | ITguru: | I just want to have sky tv in all my rooms, I've got TV's in all my rooms, makes sense! |
| [10:55:42] | justinh: | so this init script.. godknows where I got it from.. it's allegedly running mythbackend as the user 'mythtv' but ps says otherwise |
| [10:56:18] | jduggan: | ITguru: quad LNB, dvb-s cards and be done |
| [10:56:19] | jduggan: | =] |
| [10:56:48] | ITguru: | jduggan, I've got a quad LNB :) |
| [10:56:48] | justinh: | ITguru: you need one Sky STB going into a pvr150 card per frontend to be able to watch tv on each frontend independently |
| [10:57:08] | ITguru: | sounding good :) |
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| [10:57:32] | justinh: | that's one PER frontend watching |
| [10:57:45] | justinh: | four frontends, you'll need at least four STBs |
| [10:57:56] | justinh: | if you want all frontends to be able to watch livetv |
| [10:58:04] | jduggan: | ITguru: just need some dvb-s cards now... |
| [10:58:07] | justinh: | which you probably won't want once you see it |
| [10:58:08] | jduggan: | :) |
| [10:58:41] | jduggan: | the only time i watch live tv is generally if there's sport of interest to me on live tv, which isnt very often |
| [10:58:44] | jduggan: | F1 etc |
| [10:58:56] | ITguru: | I've heard some talk of sky signals being decrypted by set top devices, other than skyboxs, like a dragon cam, i think the name was |
| [10:59:03] | justinh: | so. is it wrong that my init script here should be trying to run mythbackend as the user 'mythtv' but it really isn't? |
| [10:59:14] | justinh: | ITguru: yes but you can't talk about that grey crap in here |
| [11:00:03] | justinh: | if you're that much a of a fscking sky fan, just pay the man some more money |
| [11:00:06] | justinh: | :P |
| [11:00:26] | justinh: | besides, you'd still need a viewing card & CAM per tuner |
| [11:02:36] | jduggan: | need a new backend that has plenty of PCI slots and SATA controller |
| [11:02:41] | jduggan: | such boards are hard to find these days |
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| [11:11:19] | justinh: | ruh? HOME is set to /home/mythtv for the user mythtv so wth is going on here? grrr |
| [11:12:26] | justinh: | backend is definitely running as root |
| [11:15:40] | justinh: | feel free to chime in folks |
| [11:17:04] | ITguru: | justinh, damn – I was hoping to have all my TV come into my Myth box, and still watch up to three different live channels at once. I mean, at the end of the day, I'm paying for three live feeds, i want to be able to use them as i see fit! |
| [11:17:10] | ITguru: | plus it would be VERY cool! |
| [11:17:46] | justinh: | with a Sky box and a Sky+ box you're only paying for two viewing cards |
| [11:17:59] | justinh: | aka two subscriptions |
| [11:18:18] | justinh: | so no, you're not paying for 3 feeds at all |
| [11:18:24] | justinh: | only two |
| [11:19:28] | justinh: | since a Sky+ box still only allows you to watch one thing at a time :P |
| [11:19:40] | ITguru: | justinh, with my subscription to sky plus – I have an extra feed. At the moment, the sky box uses this extra feed exclusively for recording, so I can't really use it |
| [11:19:57] | ITguru: | hence why there are 2 cables coming into the back of the skyplus box |
| [11:20:09] | justinh: | yes but only TWO VIEWING CARDS |
| [11:20:22] | justinh: | one in the Sky+ box, one in the plain Sky box |
| [11:20:33] | justinh: | and you sort of need the viewing card to decripple the content |
| [11:20:41] | ITguru: | justinh, ...... |
| [11:20:45] | ITguru: | ... fair point! |
| [11:21:29] | justinh: | in your position I'd be considering whether or not it's worthwhile to have 'Sky in every room' |
| [11:21:38] | justinh: | rather than just 'it might be cool' |
| [11:22:24] | justinh: | I'd probably consider using two Sky boxes hooked into PVR cards in a myth backend, rigged with IR blasters.. set to record everything people in the house might conceivably want to watch |
| [11:22:46] | directhex: | i'd get freesat |
| [11:22:49] | justinh: | then have as many frontends as you want & they'll all be able to access recorded shows – and use 'livetv' when nothing is being recorded |
| [11:23:29] | justinh: | on the other hand I'd stick with freeview. it's not as if I can't live without seeing new Simpsons episodes |
| [11:24:17] | justinh: | life is too short to be channel surfing for hours on end, and the more channels you have, the more time you waste trying to find something to watch :P |
| [11:26:52] | RamsesII: | does anybody use a tv with only scart sockets? so pc -> tv using scart? vga-> scart or s-video-scart? |
| [11:27:32] | justinh: | svideo-scart here |
| [11:28:14] | RamsesII: | and do u use graphics card -> vivo -> s-video -> scart? or shorter route? |
| [11:28:20] | justinh: | some people use VGA-scart adapters but getting true PAL interlaced video out of VGA hardware is tricky |
| [11:28:29] | justinh: | vivo? |
| [11:28:42] | justinh: | intel onboard video which has svideo output.. right into my TV |
| [11:28:50] | RamsesII: | ok |
| [11:28:57] | justinh: | s/tricky/nigh impossible |
| [11:29:43] | RamsesII: | my card has some s-video out and s-video in combined in one socket, u have to attach a vivo thing to it that splits it |
| [11:30:12] | justinh: | sounds like the bastard son of ATI to me. yuk |
| [11:30:59] | laga: | *shrug* |
| [11:31:11] | laga: | same on my nvidia card and on my intel laptop |
| [11:31:12] | sid3windr: | nvidia has the same :) |
| [11:31:21] | justinh: | nvidia has video inputs? |
| [11:31:27] | sid3windr: | hmm |
| [11:31:29] | justinh: | didn't think they ever bothered with that stuff |
| [11:31:30] | sid3windr: | should call it vovo ;) |
| [11:31:45] | RamsesII: | :P |
| [11:31:48] | RamsesII: | anyways |
| [11:31:52] | sid3windr: | nah it's just a splitter splitting a proprietary plug to svideo/composite/component |
| [11:31:52] | laga: | oh |
| [11:31:57] | laga: | i was talking about outputs |
| [11:32:03] | ** sid3windr too ** | |
| [11:32:07] | justinh: | get svideo from your card & put it into your telly. easy |
| [11:32:09] | laga: | and yes, nvidia has video inputs on some hardware AFAIK |
| [11:32:23] | RamsesII: | vga -> scart seems to exist, as does s-video-scart |
| [11:32:25] | laga: | justinh: yes, you need an adapter for some cards |
| [11:32:30] | justinh: | all you need is an svideo-scart cable |
| [11:32:37] | laga: | and a TV which can do s-video |
| [11:32:43] | RamsesII: | ? |
| [11:32:55] | justinh: | laga: if the card doesn't come with any adapter it needs, yell at the shop where you bought it |
| [11:32:56] | RamsesII: | my tv only has scart sockets |
| [11:33:04] | RamsesII: | I have the adapter |
| [11:33:04] | justinh: | all you need is an svideo-scart cable |
| [11:33:08] | RamsesII: | ok |
| [11:33:09] | justinh: | all you need is an svideo-scart cable |
| [11:33:10] | RamsesII: | thanks |
| [11:33:12] | RamsesII: | sorry |
| [11:33:16] | laga: | heh |
| [11:33:21] | sid3windr: | or an s-video cable and a scart connectorconverterboxy thingy |
| [11:33:22] | RamsesII: | I am quite new to this |
| [11:33:23] | sid3windr: | which I use |
| [11:34:06] | ** justinh makes all his own cables ** | |
| [11:34:15] | sid3windr: | ah yeah |
| [11:34:19] | sid3windr: | how's your utp to audio thingy |
| [11:34:20] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [11:36:52] | RamsesII: | http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review . . . 600XT-TVD/p1 |
| [11:37:00] | RamsesII: | three images together |
| [11:37:01] | RamsesII: | bottom one |
| [11:37:05] | RamsesII: | there is my adapter |
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| [12:06:26] | justinh: | sid3windr: haven't started work on those yet but I will be doing soon |
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| [12:08:54] | justinh: | I think just to keep the circuitry simple I'll be doing 3 stereo pairs per cable plus power |
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| [12:20:18] | justinh: | RamsesII: all you need is a cable with SCART at one end and svideo at the other, with either phonoi (RCA) or 3.5mm stereo jack plug for the audio |
| [12:20:31] | justinh: | http://www.maplin.co.uk/images/300/l26aj.jpg |
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| [12:24:51] | RamsesII: | justinh: how many pins does that yellow cable has? |
| [12:24:57] | justinh: | four |
| [12:25:00] | RamsesII: | ok |
| [12:25:12] | RamsesII: | then I still need my own adapter |
| [12:25:15] | sid3windr: | yes. |
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| [12:25:41] | oobe: | has anyone here tried a avermedia dvb-t card im interested to know if it can do fast channel switching in mythtv |
| [12:25:54] | oobe: | cause they all advertise fast channel switching |
| [12:26:19] | justinh: | ah the hot topic of the moment |
| [12:26:30] | justinh: | YMMV |
| [12:26:35] | kslater: | channel changing speed in myth probably isn't limited by the tuner |
| [12:26:39] | justinh: | just don't watch live tv |
| [12:27:37] | oobe: | i dont normally |
| [12:27:45] | kslater: | livetv turns out to be one of those comparison chart features |
| [12:28:02] | oobe: | but im thinking about adding a nother tuner to my backend and it was worth considering |
| [12:28:03] | kslater: | sounds good, but turns out to be less useful in practice |
| [12:28:33] | oobe: | i dont really need fast channel switching |
| [12:28:44] | oobe: | but if i can add that feature then why not |
| [12:28:51] | justinh: | a good rule of thumb I think is to figure how fast playback of recordings is for you |
| [12:29:06] | justinh: | because that's at least how long it'll take to change channels in live tv |
| [12:29:13] | oobe: | yeah true |
| [12:29:20] | oobe: | good point |
| [12:29:44] | oobe: | i dont really need to get another tuner just thinking about it |
| [12:29:48] | oobe: | cause im daft |
| [12:30:09] | oobe: | every time i have everything working properly i want to add somthing else to the mix |
| [12:30:22] | justinh: | arghh I'm trying to find the reset signal on this board & can't seem to find it. doesn't seem to even be any kind of supervisor IC on there |
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| [14:10:17] | justinh: | somebody bounce that linux123 guy on the head please |
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| [14:21:33] | _abbenormal: | is there a database of know hardware that works with mythtv somewhere |
| [14:21:51] | directhex: | linuxtv.org |
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| [14:43:26] | _abbenormal: | if u have a pci-e video board and no agp slot on board does it still use the agpgart interface |
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| [14:44:36] | at0m|c: | _abbenormal, i have pci-e card and lsmod|grep agp returns nothing |
| [14:45:02] | _abbenormal: | im seeing it in dmesg |
| [14:46:30] | at0m|c: | hm, right, here too.. |
| [14:46:59] | _abbenormal: | im having a livetv drop out problem and not finding where it is act up at myth is still very new to me and dont know all the debuging info yet |
| [14:48:12] | _abbenormal: | ya my thought is if you have pci-e why would you need agp as its not a system you would have on the mother board |
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| [14:50:23] | _abbenormal: | back to reading some more thanks |
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| [15:16:48] | migo`: | hello there :) |
| [15:17:07] | migo`: | im having some trouble wiht my dvb-s card and to scan for channels |
| [15:17:31] | migo`: | well, im trying all afternoon long,but everytime i press the button mythtv shuts down |
| [15:17:50] | migo`: | but in kaffeine the channels are found,the scan workds |
| [15:18:28] | migo`: | im using opensuse 11.0 with kernel 2.6.25,mythtv 0.21 |
| [15:18:49] | migo`: | and its a technisat skystar 2,rev 2.8 card |
| [15:19:14] | justinh: | you need to enter initial tuning parameters for scanning with dvb-s to work |
| [15:19:35] | migo`: | hello justinh |
| [15:19:38] | stuarta: | do you have a dual core or multicore processor? |
| [15:19:52] | migo`: | dual care.. amd 4850e |
| [15:19:56] | migo`: | core even |
| [15:20:26] | stuarta: | there's a multicore bug in the setup with an easy workaround |
| [15:20:33] | stuarta: | now if i could just remember it |
| [15:21:12] | migo`: | i had quite some trouble to get the card installed, as i did it wiht the newest tarball from v4l,wiht an older one it worked |
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| [15:21:47] | migo`: | but now it seems to work,as i said in kaffeine the channels are available |
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| [15:22:29] | migo`: | justinh.. what parameters are that ? and where do i have to enter them ? |
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| [15:23:47] | migo`: | i have set the diseqc settings to lnb and universal&europe |
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| [15:27:03] | stuarta: | migo`: try this to run setup 'taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup' |
| [15:27:11] | stuarta: | it limits it to use only one core |
| [15:27:33] | migo`: | to type it in the konsole ? |
| [15:28:35] | stuarta: | rather than the way you normally run setup, yes.... |
| [15:28:51] | migo`: | trying now |
| [15:29:38] | migo`: | which scan type do i have to use ? |
| [15:29:58] | migo`: | scanning all known transponders ? or complete scan of all known transponders ? |
| [15:30:12] | migo`: | or doesnt it matter at all ? |
| [15:30:37] | stuarta: | for dvb-s you have to do what justin said, and give it an initial transponder |
| [15:32:18] | migo`: | i assume i did this at the lnb settings |
| [15:33:05] | migo`: | i stays at 0%, but at least it doesnt shut down anymore |
| [15:33:43] | migo`: | btw...w hat would be a valid frequency ? im not sure wiht this khz and ghz |
| [15:34:00] | migo`: | 11953 would be a correct one,yes ? |
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| [15:34:13] | migo`: | or it is 11953000 ? |
| [15:34:30] | stuarta: | it's that iirc |
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| [15:36:05] | migo`: | it doesnt work :( |
| [15:36:12] | migo`: | teh scan stays at 0% |
| [15:36:30] | stuarta: | you have to work out the right frequencies etc, for your satellite. |
| [15:36:36] | stuarta: | yes it's a pita |
| [15:38:07] | migo`: | one topic back... what abotu those parameters ? |
| [15:38:27] | migo`: | you are talking about the lnb settings in disceq, yes ? |
| [15:38:37] | stuarta: | no |
| [15:38:49] | migo`: | what then ? |
| [15:38:56] | stuarta: | for the lnb just pick the universal type and leave it at that |
| [15:39:19] | stuarta: | for the scanning do "tuned scan" iirc |
| [15:39:31] | stuarta: | and put in all the details of a transponder on your sat |
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| [15:42:41] | migo`: | im doing this right now, there opens a window and then just nothing happens anymore |
| [15:43:08] | mchou: | migo`: which satellite? |
| [15:43:19] | migo`: | at the left top is written "scan"..,but there is no other window in the foreground where i could see anything about percents |
| [15:43:37] | migo`: | it should be astra... but there is nowhere where i can adjust this in mythtv |
| [15:43:40] | migo`: | or is it ? |
| [15:43:43] | ** migo` wonders ** | |
| [15:44:02] | mchou: | migo`: if it's indeed astra use dvbscan |
| [15:44:35] | stuarta: | why? mythtv-setup worked for me |
| [15:44:57] | mchou: | stuarta: we had this conversation yesterday |
| [15:45:12] | migo`: | download dvbscan from the repositories ? |
| [15:45:23] | stuarta: | i didn't |
| [15:45:25] | migo`: | does this creates me a channels.conf file ? |
| [15:45:30] | stuarta: | enlighten me |
| [15:45:36] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: mchou was in here arguing with gbee/spreading FUD about myth's scanner... he's wrong as usual, but also as usual it never stops him |
| [15:45:46] | mchou: | migo`: sure. or if you have recent distro with repo use that |
| [15:45:56] | stuarta: | ah, now i know what gbee was talking about |
| [15:46:13] | migo`: | dvbscan, yes ? |
| [15:46:17] | ** migo` smiles and will do it right now ** | |
| [15:46:22] | stuarta: | mchou: if there is something wrong with myth's channel scanner then let us know and we will fix it |
| [15:46:32] | migo`: | and mchou.. dont run away,okay ? |
| [15:46:54] | stuarta: | migo`: myth's setup will do exactly what you need |
| [15:46:58] | stuarta: | you just have to be patient |
| [15:47:28] | stuarta: | no need for dvbscan |
| [15:47:51] | stuarta: | !trout mchou scanner shaped |
| [15:47:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps mchou with a scanner shaped trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [15:48:03] | mchou: | stuarta: I let gbee know in this channel. and if you scroll this channel's archives you'll discover that the internal myth scan doesn't work for MANY people. |
| [15:48:24] | fryfrog: | anyone know why a pci-e 1x firewire card would have a molex connector? i assume it would be for bus powered firewire devices only? |
| [15:48:42] | mchou: | stuarta: dvbscan is 100% reliable. The same cannot be said for myth internal scan |
| [15:48:44] | fryfrog: | i can't imagine it would need to be hooked up for things like STBs that are of course mains powered? |
| [15:49:06] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: I have a few that have that, yeah, it's needed regardless of whether the device needs power (with mine anyway) |
| [15:49:08] | stuarta: | mchou: and gbee asked you to open tickets with information about what it doesn't do, which you refused todo |
| [15:49:17] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: humm |
| [15:49:24] | stuarta: | and i know setup isn't perfect |
| [15:49:24] | fryfrog: | i think i'll re-try with it hooked up then :/ |
| [15:49:28] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: needed to plug in power to get it working with a STB in my case |
| [15:49:48] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: thanks :) |
| [15:49:53] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: np |
| [15:50:12] | mchou: | stuarta: lol. I need to open a ticket that says myth internal scan finds only 3 channels while dvbscan finds HUNDREDS? |
| [15:50:40] | stuarta: | setup find hundreds for me |
| [15:50:46] | stuarta: | so what are you doing wrong? |
| [15:50:49] | mchou: | lol |
| [15:51:09] | stuarta: | help us to help you |
| [15:51:28] | mchou: | stuarta: seriously, check last 24 hrs archive from this channel. (from people OTHER than myself) |
| [15:51:35] | migo`: | anyways.... |
| [15:51:37] | mchou: | stuarta: I dont need help |
| [15:51:54] | migo`: | dvbscan seems quite complicated |
| [15:51:58] | mchou: | stuarta: I've solved it |
| [15:52:27] | migo`: | cant i use the file kaffeine already made ? |
| [15:52:54] | migo`: | i dont need all 700 channels,just about 40 of them |
| [15:53:01] | migo`: | so i could do some editing... |
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| [15:53:23] | migo`: | but i dontknow what i have to change that the format matches to a channels.conf mythtv requires |
| [15:53:45] | mchou: | stuarta: I'm not blaming you (I think the devs have their hands full). But more clued in people will naturally figure out how to work around myth internal scanner |
| [15:54:03] | stuarta: | i've put much effort into making it work properly |
| [15:54:11] | stuarta: | i know it's not 100% yet |
| [15:54:15] | mchou: | migo`: dont worry about that yet. Just get a valid channels.conf |
| [15:54:20] | stuarta: | so i like to know what's not right yet |
| [15:55:02] | mchou: | stuarta: I havent looked at myth scanning code, but I sure it assumes certain things |
| [15:55:09] | migo`: | sure stuarta.....i will tell you all you need to know,as long as i have afterwards my channls scanned |
| [15:55:33] | migo`: | and yes mchou.-.- i dont mind to use a channels.conf,as long as i get my channels |
| [15:55:40] | stuarta: | it assumes nothing, and that's why it's hard to get it right |
| [15:55:49] | migo`: | for me the way doesnt matter, as long as i get those channels |
| [15:55:49] | mchou: | stuarta: some dvb cards/drivers dont report lock, for instance |
| [15:55:57] | stuarta: | because every different provider violates the standards in their own special way |
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| [15:56:16] | stuarta: | mchou: a card not reporting lock is hardly myth's problem? |
| [15:57:03] | mchou: | stuarta: no, that's what I'm saying. dvbscan does NOT make that assumption (whereas myth might). Just an example |
| [15:57:24] | stuarta: | it's kinda essential... |
| [15:57:29] | mchou: | lol |
| [15:57:42] | mchou: | so tell me why dvbscan works :) |
| [15:57:56] | stuarta: | assumptions |
| [15:58:02] | mchou: | bingo! |
| [15:58:05] | migo`: | no.. tell me the parameters for dvbscan |
| [15:58:24] | migo`: | or stuarta tell me what i have to adjust,what and where and how to get this scan to work |
| [15:58:41] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: did it give any signs of needing it powered? did it fail to detect? or just not work worth a crap? |
| [15:59:40] | mchou: | migo`: example: 'dvbscan /usr/share/dvb-apps/scan/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E' |
| [16:00:11] | mchou: | migo might need some other cli switched for dvb-s, but I wouldnt know |
| [16:00:17] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog: It's been a bit but IIRC I couldn't even get anything from plugreport without it |
| [16:00:20] | mchou: | switches* |
| [16:00:44] | migo`: | this is what i get: |
| [16:00:48] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: ah |
| [16:00:48] | migo`: | Could not open scan file /usr/share/dvb-apps/scan/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E |
| [16:00:58] | mchou: | migo`: dont be daft |
| [16:01:19] | mchou: | migo`: the file resides elsewher on YOUR system |
| [16:01:40] | mchou: | migo`: what I gave you was an example |
| [16:02:30] | migo`: | if i do a man dvbscan nothing comes,if i do just dvbscan it say it couldnt open the file |
| [16:02:35] | migo`: | what file do i need ? |
| [16:02:42] | migo`: | and wehre to get this file from ? |
| [16:02:47] | ** mchou sighs ** | |
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| [16:02:50] | migo`: | sorry... |
| [16:03:07] | mchou: | you get the file from dvb repos |
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| [16:03:21] | migo`: | this is why im asking... if i would know i wouldnt be here and need to ask |
| [16:03:44] | migo`: | so forgive me if im stupid,im here to ask coz i dont know |
| [16:03:50] | mchou: | no, you ask cause you're incapable of thinking for yourself and want to be spoonfed |
| [16:04:27] | mchou: | THINK & google before asking |
| [16:05:12] | ** stuarta wonders if migo` is reconsidering listening to mchou ** | |
| [16:05:17] | mchou: | migo`: not to mention there is more than one astra satellite |
| [16:05:51] | migo`: | i know that its better to shut up at times and to keep my opinion for my own |
| [16:06:04] | migo`: | this is what im thinking right now stuarta |
| [16:06:19] | _abbenormal: | hey iamlindoro |
| [16:06:20] | mchou: | lol |
| [16:06:31] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: Hey there, how are you |
| [16:06:46] | _abbenormal: | working on problem as normal lol |
| [16:06:46] | mchou: | you issue a command and it says file not found. what's your next step? |
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| [16:06:59] | _abbenormal: | how are you doing today |
| [16:07:05] | migo`: | sure mchou,..,if i ask google and search the web for it i will find the answr too |
| [16:07:15] | migo`: | but... why does this channel here exist at all then ? |
| [16:07:31] | migo`: | not much use if google knows all.. dont you agree ? |
| [16:07:40] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: hanging in there, need to go to the DMV in a bit, blahh |
| [16:07:43] | _abbenormal: | its so you can help your self migo |
| [16:08:07] | _abbenormal: | that sucks dont like the lines to waiting in there |
| [16:08:12] | mchou: | migo`: the channel does not exist to spoonfeed you answers that can easily be found by using google |
| [16:08:29] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I'm not happy about it, need to get a lifetime driver record, not going to be fun |
| [16:08:44] | _abbenormal: | good luck with that |
| [16:08:52] | iamlindoro: | heh, I may need it |
| [16:09:13] | ** migo` shakes his head ** | |
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| [16:09:35] | _abbenormal: | for sure they will have miles of red tape and paper work then may say you dont need it lol |
| [16:09:57] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: yep, thankfully I know exactly what form I need but I don't relish the line |
| [16:10:09] | migo`: | bye mchou... a wish you a wonderful day |
| [16:10:12] | _abbenormal: | i know migo this is the linux way and has been this way for a long time |
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| [16:11:19] | _abbenormal: | your the lucky one iamlindoro i would have to wait then ask then wait again while i fill it out |
| [16:11:43] | _abbenormal: | nothing with dmv is fast thats for sure |
| [16:13:27] | _abbenormal: | try getting a passport now it sucks use to be able to get it in one day now its like 3 months |
| [16:13:30] | migo`: | bye |
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| [16:27:13] | bbeattie: | Anyone know what function is responsible for resuming music if you are listening to music and play a video and it goes to resume after the video finished? I want to run the video in the background but the music pauses and resumes right away since the video is &'d and it prevents the video from getting the audio device. Since people aren't documenting the code, it's like finding a needle in a haystack. |
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| [16:28:04] | migo`: | hello again |
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| [16:45:08] | pbj: | Hey. If I got a dvb-s card with a Disqec with 2ports on. Isn't it possible to set those 2 op as single input instead of 2 |
| [16:47:15] | _abbenormal: | why would you use the switch then |
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| [16:50:40] | pbj: | Well – as I select the switch in the Cardselect – gives me switch & 2LNB! When watching from 1 LNB to another Forces me to change input – instead of getting all programs at once |
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| [17:02:39] | iamlindoro: | Imma go buy the new Bond Blu-ray movies at lunch, I think |
| [17:03:10] | pbj: | Isn't it possible to have 1 channellist that automaticly changes between the 2 inputs – instead of should do ot manually – with menu change input. Caurse I cannot change input and choose from another. Should instead – Should it be several Channelsources instead 1 |
| [17:05:01] | iamlindoro: | No, you need to switch inputs. |
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| [17:07:49] | migo`: | what is wrong if i have a channels.conf and want that mythtv reads from it, but the scan stays at 0% ? |
| [17:08:03] | ** migo` is getting grey hairs from this ! ** | |
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| [17:13:40] | mock: | hello |
| [17:13:42] | directhex: | migo`, digital source? |
| [17:13:59] | _abbenormal: | hello |
| [17:14:01] | mock: | question: is there any hulu plugin/support in the future of mythtv? |
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| [17:14:21] | iamlindoro: | Nothing planned/in progress/likely |
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| [17:14:31] | mock: | :( |
| [17:14:47] | mock: | ok |
| [17:15:02] | migo`: | dvb-s, yes directhex |
| [17:15:39] | migo`: | the scan via mythtv does not work, and to do a manual scan via "scan" and to make a channels.conf neihter works |
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| [17:15:57] | directhex: | channels.conf doesn't contain enough data for digital tv |
| [17:16:10] | migo`: | pühone... brb |
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| [17:22:37] | migo`: | back |
| [17:22:47] | migo`: | you still here directhex ? |
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| [17:23:00] | iamlindoro: | directhex is always there, laying in wait |
| [17:23:03] | iamlindoro: | like Chuck Norris |
| [17:23:11] | migo`: | lol iamlindoro... :) |
| [17:24:30] | szakulec: | is there somewhere I can go for more information on how multirec works in the USA? |
| [17:24:47] | iamlindoro: | multirec works the same in the USA as it does anywhere else |
| [17:25:17] | iamlindoro: | If the channels are on the same multiplex, they can be recorded by one tuner, simple as that |
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| [17:27:42] | szakulec: | so if I have a multirec tuner, and enough hard drive space, I can record the entire multiplex? |
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| [17:29:06] | iamlindoro: | In theory. The max number recordable by a given tuner is set with the "Max recordings" setting in mythtv-setup, which defaults to 2 and maxes out at 5 (although you can edit the source to get more). |
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| [17:29:30] | szakulec: | that's awesome |
| [17:29:50] | iamlindoro: | bear in mind that most multiplexes in the US blow (ie one decent channel and a weather channel, etc.) |
| [17:29:51] | braddd: | has anyone been able to compile and run a recent(most recent) version of myth svn trunk for mac os x? i keep getting these kinds of errors and then it dumps core |
| [17:29:55] | braddd: | http://pastebin.ca/1232971 |
| [17:30:27] | iamlindoro: | and on cable, where there is occasionally a few good SD channels in a bouquet, usually the good ones are encrypted. |
| [17:30:40] | zherlock: | Is there some way I can configure mythtv so that it records/plays live tv in 720p and not 1080i? Cause I get "h264 interlacing not implemented" and would like to view HDTV.. or is the problem that my cable provider sends in 1080i ? |
| [17:31:19] | iamlindoro: | If you are tuning digitally (as you undoubtedly are) then you have no control over what resolution it is recorded at |
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| [17:31:35] | iamlindoro: | and what res it is displayed at won't affect decoding issues |
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| [17:34:16] | Anduin: | braddd: You may want to try the mail list (some of the people most likely to hit the same issue are not here) |
| [17:34:35] | braddd: | the users list or the dev list? |
| [17:36:52] | Anduin: | braddd: dev list, Nigel does most of the OS X stuff I think and he doesn't irc |
| [17:37:04] | braddd: | ahh okay thanks |
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| [17:40:52] | zherlock: | iamlindoro: I get a message "h264 interlacing is not implemented". Please advice |
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| [17:41:36] | iamlindoro: | zherlock: Nothing you can do about it besides wait for the next release |
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| [17:41:47] | iamlindoro: | or transcode outside of myth and watch it then |
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| [17:44:19] | iamlindoro: | although if you are running an older version of myth, you ought to get to the newest -fixes as IIRC h264.c has been updated substantially |
| [17:44:34] | iamlindoro: | including h.264 PAFF+Interlaced support AFAIK |
| [17:44:40] | zherlock: | iamlindoro: I have a rather old one.. the one that came with linuxmce 710 |
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| [17:45:23] | zherlock: | iamlindoro: thanks for you advice. I will look into a upgrade to latest cvs (?) |
| [17:45:42] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you are probably running .20 |
| [17:45:48] | iamlindoro: | you need to be running .21-fixes |
| [17:45:57] | iamlindoro: | do *not* upgrade to the development branch |
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| [17:47:29] | erollll: | hi everybody, i have prblem with live tv, i watch from diesecq lnb1 when i selected channel from lnb2 i cant watch anything, what is wrong ? |
| [17:47:34] | erollll: | can you help me |
| [17:49:57] | zherlock: | iamlindoro: k. got you. |
| [17:51:45] | erollll: | anybody dont know ??? |
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| [17:56:30] | Led-Hed: | I finally got HDTV/Firewire working w/ 2 STB's |
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| [17:56:43] | GreyFoxx: | iamlin: Have you updated trunk today ? There was a commit last light related to fixing lossless transcodes which had been broken since QT4 |
| [17:56:48] | Led-Hed: | Had to use 2 seperate Firewire Adapters though |
| [17:56:50] | GreyFoxx: | haven't tried it myself yet |
| [17:57:15] | braddd: | i had the patch applied before it was commited and it worked |
| [17:57:24] | braddd: | havent tried it since it was commited though |
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| [18:00:35] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Haven't updated today, but I had lossless working (for QAM recordings anyway) without issue, even since QT4 |
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| [18:02:05] | goaliemanpat: | I am having trouble with a new Ubuntu intall on a partition on my laptop. I want to mess with the OS some more. Anyways I installed mythtv frontend from the package manager. It connects to my Knoppmyth backend and I can watch live tv and recordings. I cant get it to see my videos tho |
| [18:02:12] | GreyFoxx: | Me too, I'm just hoping this helps the firwire stuff too :) |
| [18:02:20] | goaliemanpat: | Can anyone help? I assume I have to mount that folder someplace on the laptop |
| [18:02:29] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: heh, yeah, but then again, it was broken with QT3 for most of my firewire stuff |
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| [18:04:02] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh I never had a problem pre QT4 |
| [18:06:58] | iamlindoro: | It may still be worth someone looking at and applying the replex sync down the road, there are some corrupt AC3 fixes in there |
| [18:07:00] | GreyFoxx: | So I had a shitty lunch break. Got out to my car to discover some bastard had broken in. |
| [18:07:08] | GreyFoxx: | Popped the lock right out of the driver side door |
| [18:07:36] | iamlindoro: | That *sucks*, same happened to me when I lived in Boston-- lose anything? |
| [18:07:38] | GreyFoxx: | stole the like $3 in change I had in thereand left behind the N810 |
| [18:07:51] | GreyFoxx: | I had forgotten the n810 on the passenge5r seat |
| [18:08:05] | iamlindoro: | Whew!! |
| [18:08:07] | GreyFoxx: | either they didn't see it, or just assumed it was just glasses in a cheap case |
| [18:08:25] | GreyFoxx: | gonna cost me like $200 for a new lock, install and keyed to my door openners :( |
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| [18:12:15] | gbee: | :( |
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| [18:15:36] | GreyFoxx: | some people suck |
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| [18:18:01] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, s/some // |
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| [18:18:48] | iamlindoro: | "IIRC, the 5.1 input on the HD-PVR isn't currently working." |
| [18:18:53] | iamlindoro: | Yay farking users list! |
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| [18:19:10] | iamlindoro: | When it absolute, positively has to be last month's answer, today. |
| [18:19:15] | iamlindoro: | er absolutely |
| [18:23:01] | szakulec: | so if you ask the user list a question, you should generally take the opposite or reverse of whatever answer they give you? |
| [18:23:33] | iamlindoro: | Generally |
| [18:23:50] | gbee: | if only it was that easy :) |
| [18:23:55] | iamlindoro: | Although you can get the same result by jabbing a latter opener through your eye and swirling it about a bit |
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| [18:24:35] | iamlindoro: | There are three classes of answer on the users list-- outright wrong, mostly wrong, and right answers that get shouted down by idiots |
| [18:25:09] | stuarta: | 4. right answers that get lost in the noise |
| [18:25:45] | iamlindoro: | Generally because they aren't the answers the questioner wants to hear |
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| [18:26:26] | iamlindoro: | eg "How can I capture HDMI w. myth?" A: You can't. Enter somebody linking that blackmagic card and saying "Maybe this would work?" 50 message thread ensues. |
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| [18:27:08] | gbee: | if you're not confused yet then we aren't explaining this correctly |
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| [18:38:40] | justinh: | just don't ask anybody's opinion on a mailing list |
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| [18:41:36] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: sorry about your bad day.****ing *theiving ***s :( |
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| [18:43:21] | justinh: | reminds me my car insurance is up for renewal. I officially lose 2 years no claims bonus this time – but at least I managed to get a car with almost double the MPG |
| [18:43:54] | GreyFoxx: | it's such a low amount I wont involve my insurance company, just sucks |
| [18:44:02] | GreyFoxx: | $200 damage to steal $3 in change |
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| [18:45:14] | justinh: | I had my driver's side door bent over once,like a grand's worth of damage instead of £50 to get a new window |
| [18:45:17] | gbee: | didn't think it was that easy to pop the lock these days, certainly over here it's more common for them just to put a brick through the door window and grab what they want |
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| [18:58:00] | moodboom: | anyone else getting this when compiling programs/mythtv with today's svn? undefined reference to `Q3GList::clear()' |
| [18:58:10] | moodboom: | it was compiling ok a couple days ago |
| [18:58:24] | iamlindoro: | Did you forget to make distclean? |
| [18:58:50] | moodboom: | iamlindoro no! thanks! will try, sorry |
| [18:59:08] | Gnea: | okay, it's been 1 week now and this HVR-1600 is still not working right – is there anyway to figure out if I'm doing something wrong? Digital signals seem to work fine, but the analog bit seems to have been thrown under the bus, prematurely. if i try to even 'watch tv', i get this: 2008-10–21 13:49:50.762 NVR(/dev/video0): Unknown video codec. Please go into the TV Settings, Recording Profiles and setup the four 'Software Encoders' profiles. Assumin |
| [18:59:31] | iamlindoro: | Gnea: You set it up as a v4l card. It's not. |
| [18:59:39] | Gnea: | and yet, all of the profiles are set to mpeg4 |
| [18:59:44] | Gnea: | uhm |
| [19:00:27] | Gnea: | sure would be nice if there was a guide for this thing – maybe if i can get this to work, i'll write one |
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| [19:01:22] | moodboom: | iamlindoro: how do you know when is it important to do a [make distclean]? |
| [19:01:25] | Gnea: | iamlindoro: so if it's not v4l, what does it use? |
| [19:01:40] | iamlindoro: | Gnea: Your card includes an MPEg-2 encoder. Look at the card types and you tell me. |
| [19:01:55] | iamlindoro: | moodboom: When stuff like that happens ;) |
| [19:02:08] | moodboom: | iamlindoro: haha ok, thanks again mate |
| [19:02:18] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:02:59] | Gnea: | iamlindoro: card types...huh, that's pretty vague, care to elaborate? |
| [19:03:26] | iamlindoro: | Gnea: Pretty exact when in the tuner card setup there's an actual option called card type |
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| [19:04:11] | Gnea: | iamlindoro: yeah, and pretty sad when every site that I go to, tells me to download the latest v4l for getting the firmware to work. |
| [19:04:27] | iamlindoro: | What's that got to do with you setting the card up wrong in myth? |
| [19:04:28] | Gnea: | v4l-dvb, to be precise |
| [19:05:14] | Gnea: | it's part of the docs on getting it set up to begin with. |
| [19:05:24] | Gnea: | i didn't write 'em, did you? |
| [19:05:24] | iamlindoro: | Every site you've gone to is correct. That's how you install the drivers. |
| [19:05:29] | iamlindoro: | Which once again has nothing to do with your problem |
| [19:05:41] | iamlindoro: | you set up the card wrong IN MYTH |
| [19:05:54] | Gnea: | there's no docs on how to do that. |
| [19:06:37] | gbee: | stand clear, iamlindoro's head is about to explode |
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| [19:06:46] | Gnea: | good, because mine already did. |
| [19:06:59] | iamlindoro: | Besides the comprehensive set of myth documentation that exist in not one but TWO places? And where a reasonable person who purchased an MPEG-2 encoder card might be expected to choose "MPEG-2 encoder card type" as the card type in mythtv-setup? |
| [19:07:05] | Gnea: | http://www.de.gentoo-wiki.com/Hauppauge_WinTV_HVR-1600 oh look, another 404 |
| [19:07:25] | iamlindoro: | Hell, you don't even need to read, just match the squiggly lettery bits to one another |
| [19:09:18] | gbee: | Gnea: type mythtv-setup, goto the second option, select the first card from the list, then change "Card Type" to mpeg2 decoder something |
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| [19:10:36] | Gnea: | gbee: thanks, got it already now |
| [19:10:45] | Gnea: | iamlindoro: thank you |
| [19:10:55] | iamlindoro: | you are welcome |
| [19:11:41] | ** iamlindoro makes note of a patch that probably needs submitting, goes off to fix it ** | |
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| [19:12:17] | Fanfare: | Hi @ All |
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| [19:14:19] | Gnea: | welp, back to square one – it's set to an MPEG-2, but when I select 'Watch TV', the screen blinks and nothing happens, it just stays on the menu |
| [19:14:33] | Gnea: | gone through and made all new profiles and whatever else – same thing |
| [19:14:50] | Gnea: | pure crap. |
| [19:14:56] | iamlindoro: | check your backend log |
| [19:15:09] | Gnea: | it doesn't even say anything (tail -f) |
| [19:15:44] | Gnea: | standard startup, adding client events |
| [19:15:46] | Gnea: | nothing else. |
| [19:16:17] | iamlindoro: | Something fishy there, it should log *something* if you attempt to watch TV and have set up a capture device. |
| [19:16:39] | iamlindoro: | Ddi you remember to attach a listings source to your newly set up card? |
| [19:16:44] | Gnea: | maybe my logging isn't verbose enough? not even sure if there's a way to set that... |
| [19:17:05] | iamlindoro: | as the proper card type will have new inputs and you will have needed to reattach the listings/video source |
| [19:17:08] | gbee: | Gnea: -v record |
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| [19:17:22] | Gnea: | nah, don't need it, there's no actual cord to plug in where i'm at, so no use trying to beat a dead horse |
| [19:17:38] | Gnea: | hrm |
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| [19:19:42] | keith_: | I have an ATI card, which currently is full of fail. It won't load into the gallery/tv/settings on mythtv and has really crappy performance (with the ubuntu fglrx drivers) can anyone help? |
| [19:22:31] | szakulec: | Gnea: did the card ever work before? |
| [19:23:46] | Gnea: | szakulec: it's brand-spanking new. |
| [19:24:16] | keith_: | Gnea: what card is it? |
| [19:24:58] | iamlindoro: | There's no magic here, the card is incompletely set up, and previously was improperly set up |
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| [19:25:32] | Gnea: | keith_: WinTV-HVR-1600 |
| [19:25:35] | Gnea: | okay |
| [19:25:40] | keith_: | Gnea: what distro? |
| [19:25:43] | Gnea: | well, now i'm getting something |
| [19:25:44] | iamlindoro: | now that it's the correct card type, need to go back and re-attach a listings source to the input, and scan or download channel list, and hook it up to an actual source |
| [19:25:45] | Gnea: | keith_: ubuntu |
| [19:25:47] | szakulec: | iamlindoro makes a good point: are the card's inputs hooked to any sources? |
| [19:26:09] | keith_: | Gnea: checked out mythtv wiki? Usually helps me |
| [19:26:46] | Gnea: | i just need to manually add channels 3 and 4 since it won't automatically find them |
| [19:27:03] | Gnea: | keith_: yeah, it helped get the driver setup, sort of |
| [19:27:42] | keith_: | i don't know how to manually add channels... is it analogue or dvb? |
| [19:27:52] | Gnea: | plugged into the analog side |
| [19:28:03] | keith_: | oh american |
| [19:28:06] | _abbenormal: | hey iamlindoro got one for ya |
| [19:28:09] | Gnea: | right |
| [19:28:14] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: whassup? |
| [19:28:21] | keith_: | try moving the arial? |
| [19:28:26] | keith_: | aerial* |
| [19:28:35] | Gnea: | don't have it |
| [19:28:45] | _abbenormal: | have you every seen myth switch channels without any input for you and no recordings setup |
| [19:28:45] | Gnea: | all i have is a VCR plugged into it |
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| [19:28:57] | Gnea: | the VCR is set to channel 3, and yet, it doesn't find it |
| [19:29:00] | _abbenormal: | for = from |
| [19:29:23] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: Hmm, no, not without a recording rule to compel it to do so... what are you seeing? |
| [19:29:25] | Gnea: | you would think that, since the VCR is sending a signal to the card, the card would pick that up |
| [19:29:38] | keith_: | whats the vcr doing? |
| [19:29:47] | Gnea: | idling |
| [19:29:54] | keith_: | is that aerialed? |
| [19:29:55] | Gnea: | plug it into a TV, get a blue screen |
| [19:30:10] | Gnea: | wtf is aerial? hard to shove a font into the coax slot :P |
| [19:30:15] | iamlindoro: | If you intend to capture the VCR through RF, you would need to do a channel scan |
| [19:30:29] | _abbenormal: | the unit has now only one card in it but hooked to a dp-44 sat switch nothing else |
| [19:30:33] | iamlindoro: | Gnea: civilized portions of the world call an antenna an aerial |
| [19:31:02] | _abbenormal: | i start it on scifi channel and in a few minutes it switches to the shooping channel |
| [19:31:09] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: Hmm, very weird indeed |
| [19:31:14] | keith_: | I'm english, we use aerials for our transmission. Don't know much about american tv |
| [19:31:24] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: I would watch your backend log to see what it says when doing so |
| [19:31:33] | iamlindoro: | keith_: We do as well |
| [19:31:40] | Gnea: | iamlindoro: and in places where antennas don't reach, us civlized folks have to work with something else. |
| [19:31:45] | iamlindoro: | keith_: for our DVB-T equivalent |
| [19:32:01] | keith_: | _abbenormal: could be your remote sending odd bogus signals, or other infrared inteferance? |
| [19:32:26] | keith_: | iamlindoro I kind of gathered as much |
| [19:32:55] | keith_: | does anyone use ATi cards with mythtv? Im kind of going crazy here trying to get this to work |
| [19:33:10] | _abbenormal: | no remote hooked to it at this point ive pulled everything to the bare min running on a test bench hardwired to keyboard |
| [19:33:19] | ** Gnea does not believe in ATI – Nvidia and Hauppauge is the only way to go ** | |
| [19:34:10] | keith_: | Gnea: I would normally agree, but thought I'd try ATI out, big mistake |
| [19:34:13] | iamlindoro: | keith_: A fair number of people of late have started moving back towards ATI |
| [19:34:27] | iamlindoro: | Still a bit dodgy but it can apprently be made to work (using fglrx) |
| [19:34:35] | justinh: | now ATI are getting Xv going in their drivers again they're worth a pop |
| [19:34:52] | keith_: | iamlindoro I tried using fglrx and it failed. |
| [19:35:08] | justinh: | and IF (very big if) anything comes of their alleged video acceleration in linux... bye bye nvidia |
| [19:35:09] | keith_: | couldn't go anywhere except the main menu |
| [19:35:10] | iamlindoro: | keith_: You'll need to get it working as it's your only driver option if you intend to watch TV |
| [19:35:36] | keith_: | iamlindoro I figured as much, but I can't seem to get it to work with opengl I think it is. |
| [19:35:48] | iamlindoro: | You don't need OpenGL for Myth |
| [19:35:59] | justinh: | yet. muhahaha |
| [19:36:06] | keith_: | literally click "ok" to open say tv, but the picture stays in the menu, but i can hear sound |
| [19:36:12] | iamlindoro: | qt for the painter and Wv for video is actually the more stable/better way for now |
| [19:36:17] | iamlindoro: | er Xv |
| [19:36:30] | Gnea: | alright, it found channel 3 |
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| [19:36:40] | Gnea: | had to change the way it scanned |
| [19:37:41] | _abbenormal: | also have you seen myth just up and stop video when in livtv mode |
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| [19:38:27] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: only if there are buffering/recording issues-- the backend log is going to be key to your troubleshooting-- tail -f it and see what happens when things go weird |
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| [19:38:52] | _abbenormal: | ok cool will do |
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| [19:40:15] | Gnea: | and it works! |
| [19:41:50] | Gnea: | iamlindoro, gbee: thanks again :) |
| [19:41:58] | iamlindoro: | You are welcome, glad it's working |
| [19:43:31] | ** Gnea notes – us-bcast works when there's no cable in us-cable* ** | |
| [19:44:33] | keith_: | iamlindoro: so do I want xv-blit on tv playback? |
| [19:44:47] | iamlindoro: | keith_: yes |
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| [19:47:32] | _abbenormal: | whats your position on nvidia video cards and hd output iamlindoro |
| [19:48:09] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: specifically, what do you mean? I like nvidia a lot, all of my current machines are Nv (although I have an intel GPU in a system coming Friday) |
| [19:48:35] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: like justinh says, if they actually come through with real h.264 acceleration, I'll happily buy a nice fatty ATI GPU to support that kind of thing |
| [19:48:41] | iamlindoro: | that is, if ATI does |
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| [19:49:12] | _abbenormal: | ok was wondering cause that all i use here and so far ive not gotten a good setup that does hd stable so now i know its still me lol |
| [19:49:26] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: There have been some recent murmurings (barely more than rumor) that there might (like, in the next month or two) be "real" h.264 acceleration with ATI in linux... but I'm remaining skeptical. |
| [19:49:28] | szakulec: | iamlindoro: apparently the beta driver of 8.11 has those bits turned on, but there's no mention of any way to use it or application to use it |
| [19:49:53] | iamlindoro: | szakulec: It has one flag that someone has *interpreted* as being turned on, there is no proof yet that it's actually *there* |
| [19:49:56] | _abbenormal: | look now at ati |
| [19:50:28] | _abbenormal: | theres been some resent release that look real good for controlling hdmi |
| [19:50:30] | iamlindoro: | I can compile myth with --enable-bjs, but that doesn't mean I'll get what I want if the beef isn't in there :) |
| [19:50:34] | acu: | I want to capture video and audio from my webcam – I run Debian Lenny on AMD64 and QuickCam Pro9000 – which works OK with luvcview and EKIGA – however I want to capture video and sound and wonder if mythtv can do that |
| [19:50:53] | iamlindoro: | acu: For that purpose myth is absolutely the wrong tool |
| [19:51:04] | iamlindoro: | acu: Zoneminder and similar are the right tools |
| [19:51:34] | iamlindoro: | if all you want are some incidental recordings then even mjpg_streamer might do the job-- but myth is vast vast overkill |
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| [19:52:14] | iamlindoro: | _abbenormal: Generally with the Nvidia proprietary drivers and a decent CPU you can count on nvidia to do HD display pretty reliably |
| [19:52:55] | _abbenormal: | ok like i said its in my setup so ive still got something not just right |
| [19:53:00] | acu: | iamlindoro: thanks, I will look for Zoneminder (never heard off) :) |
| [19:54:15] | gbee: | szakulec: read a handful of forum posts where people are using xvmc with xine |
| [19:55:50] | szakulec: | I'm confused- isn't that already possible? (not all video formats though) |
| [19:56:03] | gbee: | right now, ignoring what the ATI drivers might offer weeks or months from now, it makes no difference which card you use for HD |
| [19:56:09] | iamlindoro: | szakulec: ATI has never had XvMc until (allegedly) just now |
| [19:56:50] | gbee: | szakulec: not with ATi cards and ATi's XvMC implementation offers hardware h.264 decoding, not just mpeg-2 like Nvidia and Intel |
| [19:57:24] | iamlindoro: | gbee: That's confirmed that they're using XvMc with h.264 content? |
| [19:57:30] | gbee: | however software like mythtv will probably still need to be modified to take full advantage, especially of the h.264 decoding |
| [19:57:41] | szakulec: | are you sure it's XvMC? |
| [19:57:42] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Do you have a link to any of that forum info? |
| [19:57:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: ATI, or the users? |
| [19:57:49] | iamlindoro: | gbee: the users |
| [19:57:57] | szakulec: | I didn't know it had been actually extended to handle non-mpeg2 video |
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| [19:59:31] | gbee: | not clear whether the users just have accelerated mpeg2 at this stage, ATI's implementation of UVD for all formats apparently uses XvMC so I presume once applications are modified with this in mind .... |
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| [19:59:46] | gbee: | iamlindoro: not a direct link, but it was on phoronix.com |
| [19:59:46] | _abbenormal: | hi mk |
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| [20:00:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee: interesting stuff, wonder if there's an ATI card in my near future |
| [20:00:34] | _abbenormal: | id get one just to test and make sure it has hdmi out |
| [20:00:47] | gbee: | I can't see any app passing h.264 through XvMC at the moment, it would need changes |
| [20:00:55] | AndyCap: | Hmm, XvMC also supports offloading decoding of mo comp, iDCT, and VLD ("Variable-Length Decoding", more commonly known as "slice level acceleration") for not only MPEG-2 but also MPEG-4 ASP and MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) video on VIA Unichrome |
| [20:01:06] | AndyCap: | according to wikipedia. |
| [20:01:17] | AndyCap: | of course, that could be bollocks. |
| [20:01:21] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: at least the last bit of that is incorrect |
| [20:01:28] | iamlindoro: | ASP yes, but not AVC |
| [20:01:29] | _abbenormal: | lol |
| [20:01:48] | justinh: | it wouldn't be xvmc wot deals with h.264 on the alleged new ati feature anyway |
| [20:01:55] | gbee: | _abbenormal: I'm using onboard ATI with video and audio over HDMI @ 720p (tv isn't 1080p but the card/driver could handle that) |
| [20:02:13] | justinh: | GVA or something.. general video acceleration or whatever |
| [20:02:29] | szakulec: | the hardware acceleration you're thinking of is probably UVD/UVD2 |
| [20:02:37] | justinh: | yeah that was it |
| [20:02:39] | justinh: | UVD |
| [20:02:46] | szakulec: | Nvidia's name is Purevideo or something along those lines |
| [20:02:52] | justinh: | yup |
| [20:02:57] | _abbenormal: | cool ive been hearing for the last couple of weeks there is a driver out for it just not wanting to spend any more on this project until i seen what i have work |
| [20:03:28] | justinh: | up to now there is no proof. nothing seen working, no code yet |
| [20:03:30] | gbee: | justinh: nah, although it's waiting on an official announcement but their UVD implementation operates through XvMC |
| [20:03:39] | justinh: | really? heh |
| [20:03:55] | justinh: | so we'd have to wait for xorg to catch up too |
| [20:03:56] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: seems somebody have been working on it. dunno what state it's in http://people.freedesktop.org/~zhen/xds2007_xvmc.pdf |
| [20:04:02] | gbee: | you're thinking of the new layer to replace XvMC which is still work in progress |
| [20:04:22] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: yeah, I just meant specifically on VIA |
| [20:04:26] | justinh: | well anyway, ATI, YMMV |
| [20:04:40] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: in that the unichrome drivers support ASP, but not (ATM) AVC |
| [20:04:42] | szakulec: | there's a pretty good indication that UVD2 specs will be available in a year or 2 (maybe sooner)- depends on many things though |
| [20:04:51] | gbee: | UVD, ATI's version of Pure Video supports mpeg2, h.264 and VC-1 at least |
| [20:04:59] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: ah. ok. :) |
| [20:05:17] | justinh: | so what was the point putting it in the driver, other than by mistake? ;) |
| [20:05:31] | justinh: | but then maybe folks can do some working out... |
| [20:05:33] | ** iamlindoro kinda wonders whether the announcement is being timed to coincide with the Intrepid release ** | |
| [20:05:44] | justinh: | I've lost interest til I see it for myself anyway |
| [20:06:05] | iamlindoro: | as intrepid already had the driver when it wasn't even on AMD/ATI's site (still not?) |
| [20:06:22] | szakulec: | yes and no: the reasoning seems to be that since Ubuntu is the first of the major distros making a release in this timeframe, it got the beta driver- if some other distro had been first, they've gotten it |
| [20:07:17] | iamlindoro: | szakulec: They had it when it was available nowhere else (ie, you could ONLY get it through the Ubuntu repos) |
| [20:07:25] | iamlindoro: | so they had to have some relationship going with ATI |
| [20:08:00] | mkrufky: | _abbenormal: was that for me? |
| [20:08:10] | mkrufky: | _abbenormal: mk<tab> , if you want me to notice |
| [20:08:12] | _abbenormal: | just saying hi |
| [20:08:14] | mkrufky: | hi |
| [20:08:47] | _abbenormal: | as busy as you get didnt want to say it out loud lol |
| [20:09:02] | mkrufky: | umm, ok |
| [20:09:16] | mkrufky: | well for future reference, im unlikely to notice if the whole name isnt mentioned\ |
| [20:09:33] | _abbenormal: | will remember |
| [20:10:29] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [20:12:57] | iamlindoro: | As much as I love to hate on ATI, like everyone else I hope they unload a whole pile of accelerated driver on us |
| [20:13:20] | iamlindoro: | Then we can have an official-ish answer to the "enough to play 1080p" (sic) question |
| [20:13:55] | iamlindoro: | Can just say "mid range Core 2 Duo with xyz ATI GPU and proprietary drivers" instead of raking people over the coals about every last thing |
| [20:17:48] | _abbenormal: | that would be to easy |
| [20:18:05] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.hantech.ca/product/product_detail. . . . EID=00020003 |
| [20:18:10] | GreyFoxx: | That could be interesting :) |
| [20:18:36] | GreyFoxx: | I'm waiting for a link to it to hit -users along with a "with it run mythfrontend??!?" question :) |
| [20:20:05] | keith_: | iamlindoro switched to xv and qt, now the picture in mythtv is totally screwed |
| [20:20:17] | iamlindoro: | keith_: Wheeeeeee! |
| [20:21:01] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: wow. what a pity it's not silver. again |
| [20:21:21] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [20:22:46] | justinh: | supports mkv. so that'll be group.release.bd-rip.leet.m0v135.mkv then |
| [20:23:02] | justinh: | not necessarily AVC sliced h.264 |
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| [20:24:18] | iamlindoro: | I just can't get into the NMT/uPnP player thing |
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| [20:24:36] | iamlindoro: | I mean, accelerated playback *is* neat, I just can't bring myself to give up all the features of a proper frontend |
| [20:25:41] | justinh: | yeah. a decent CPU costs less than what one of those UNplugged & painful media players yarks out of your wallet |
| [20:26:19] | justinh: | and every single UI on those things sucks pigs |
| [20:29:36] | keith_: | iamlindoro an image just for you: http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4403/21102008244zp4.jpg |
| [20:29:59] | iamlindoro: | keith_: nice. Think someone was in here with similar/same yesterday... hmm |
| [20:30:03] | iamlindoro: | Or was it you? |
| [20:30:16] | keith_: | nope |
| [20:30:19] | iamlindoro: | keith_: using the latest drivers? |
| [20:30:25] | keith_: | ubuntu ones |
| [20:30:26] | justinh: | wall-e got a bit fat |
| [20:30:43] | iamlindoro: | IIRC he may have said that running it in a window made it disappear, but fullscreen always resulted in that |
| [20:30:58] | keith_: | :'( |
| [20:31:15] | keith_: | how do i run in a window to confirm? |
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| [20:32:22] | iamlindoro: | That's not to say it can't be fixed, keith_, just his observations as of that moment |
| [20:33:28] | keith_: | *sobs* same for me |
| [20:33:44] | justinh: | mythfrontend -w :) |
| [20:33:45] | iamlindoro: | keith_: mythfrontend --geometry 640x480 ought to do, I think |
| [20:33:57] | keith_: | yeah got it |
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| [20:35:41] | high-rez: | lindoro: If I sent you a sample of content could you check if it works on your PCH ? |
| [20:35:41] | ** iamlindoro feels a Bond-a-thon coming on tonight ** | |
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| [20:35:53] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: Don't own one (although I have played with one) |
| [20:35:57] | bkero: | iamlindoro: Got any reference for this popcorn hour strings thing? |
| [20:35:58] | high-rez: | Damn :( |
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| [20:36:25] | iamlindoro: | bkero: just recall reading it on their forums, no time to go looking ATM |
| [20:37:22] | keith_: | iamlindoro , if I do --geometry 1280x1024 (my screen res) it fucks up, any lower and its fine |
| [20:37:56] | iamlindoro: | keith_: Weird stuff, I'm presuming driver issues-- maybe see if you can get the 8.10 driver (or if you already have that, get the 8.09?) |
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| [20:38:55] | keith_: | is there an easy way to tell which one I have? |
| [20:39:16] | iamlindoro: | keith_: I dunno, I'm out of my depth when it comes to ATI, I'm all Nv here |
| [20:39:28] | bkero: | http://www.networkedmediatank.com/download/fi . . . /gpl/gpl.htm |
| [20:39:31] | high-rez: | lindoro: The one you did see – were you able to verify it worked properly with Myth's upnpn ? |
| [20:39:35] | acu: | how can you start MythZoneminder – I installed it in Debian Lenny – and I have at multimedia only one option MyTVFrontend – it tells me No UPnp backends found – I click OK and get some database configuration where i have Ping test server port – what port should I puth there – also I have a database setup – this means I have to make a database ? |
| [20:39:37] | high-rez: | -n |
| [20:39:38] | iamlindoro: | your Xorg.0.log is likely going to contain it though |
| [20:39:48] | keith_: | iamlindoro: lol, sorry, you've been so helpful i thought you had experience! |
| [20:40:11] | acu: | I want just to capture Video and Audio from my Webcam |
| [20:40:23] | high-rez: | lindoro is actually running myth under windows |
| [20:40:24] | ** high-rez ducks ** | |
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| [20:40:44] | iamlindoro: | bkero: yeah, if they release that GPL stuff, no reason they wouldn't if they were using mplayer, so probably safe to say it isn't |
| [20:40:47] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: ewwww |
| [20:41:51] | keith_: | *bangs head on laptop* |
| [20:41:53] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: I'm afraid the one time where I had occasion to play with it, it wasn't near/on the same network as a myth box |
| [20:42:10] | keith_: | my tv is blue! |
| [20:42:16] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: If you *did* get one, though, our resident uPnP gurus have been very VERY responsive about helping to get myth working with devices |
| [20:42:26] | high-rez: | lindoro: Darn. |
| [20:42:45] | high-rez: | Well I'm sort of waiting for you to get one first. ;) |
| [20:42:50] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: worst came to worst just set up an NFS/Samba mount |
| [20:42:59] | bkero: | iamlindoro: Looks like it's just a small embeded linux box that runs a frontend via an accelerated framebuffer, and pushes raw video to that for display. The rendering is done on a video ASIC |
| [20:43:09] | iamlindoro: | bkero: yeah, looks like |
| [20:43:12] | high-rez: | Yeah, except that you'd never know what files actually equate to waht shows/movies :) |
| [20:43:28] | iamlindoro: | high-rez: cron the rename script for every five minutes |
| [20:43:36] | iamlindoro: | then all the filenames will be titles |
| [20:43:36] | bkero: | and I'm sure that works pretty well. But I like my source codes. :) |
| [20:43:53] | iamlindoro: | don't we all |
| [20:45:08] | justinh: | I don't care so long as it works |
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| [20:46:08] | iamlindoro: | freedomh8r: Why do you let the terrorists win? |
| [20:46:51] | freedomh8r: | lol |
| [20:47:30] | xand: | hmm |
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| [20:47:40] | xand: | why do some of my radio times listings break tomorrow :| |
| [20:48:37] | fuxxy: | I guess I need to work on the ir blaster to control my 5.1 receiver |
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| [20:51:15] | xand: | oh look some FAIL in the RT xmltv files |
| [20:51:18] | xand: | stupid line breaks |
| [20:51:36] | freedomh8r: | xand: thanks for reminding me – needed to check why some channels were borked after the 25th |
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| [20:52:23] | xand: | some are borked after today for me, the file is meant to be one program per line but they have fucked it up |
| [20:52:50] | freedomh8r: | wonder if there's any mention of this on the xmltv mailing list |
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| [20:54:17] | justinh: | http://www.nabble.com/IMPORTANT%3A-tv_grab_uk . . . 9891267.html is attention grabbing |
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| [20:55:16] | justinh: | nothing to do with this problem :( |
| [20:55:30] | xand: | hmm |
| [20:56:25] | fuxxy: | Has support for the HVR-1600 gotten better in the last year? |
| [20:56:52] | justinh: | gotten? it's _got_ |
| [20:57:00] | xand: | or am I wrong in thinking that the line breaks are a problem |
| [20:57:14] | xand: | as the bbc1 file has them too but it's not broken for me |
| [20:57:19] | justinh: | xand: I dunno |
| [20:57:35] | justinh: | must be something akin to that since the days I'm missing data for are actually there in the .dat file |
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| [20:58:20] | justinh: | !seen knowledgejunkie |
| [20:58:20] | MythLogBot: | knowledgejunkie was last seen 114 days 21 hours 5 minutes 16 seconds ago |
| [20:58:31] | justinh: | wha? |
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| [20:59:18] | justinh: | wonder if checking out a nightly from xmltv would help |
| [20:59:22] | justinh: | can't harm can it |
| [20:59:35] | xand: | justinh: the channesl described in that message are the ones I'm missing so I guess I am wrong |
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| [21:00:35] | justinh: | ahh |
| [21:00:46] | justinh: | I skimmed too fast. my bad |
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| [21:07:02] | justinh: | trying an update now |
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| [21:11:09] | ** xand fiddles db and rt grabber file and then waits ** | |
| [21:12:24] | justinh: | wow it's a bit slow these days |
| [21:12:28] | iamlindoro: | http://www.geektonic.com/2008/10/deal-of-day- . . . for-200.html |
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| [21:13:41] | iamlindoro: | I know some people were waiting for that magic $200 mark, so if you're interested, that's *shipped* |
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| [21:15:00] | iamlindoro: | ($190 before shipping) |
| [21:16:31] | justinh: | xand: amazed there's been nothing about this on the -users list yet |
| [21:16:53] | iamlindoro: | justinh: because it's not "too late" enough for it to be Myth's fault |
| [21:16:57] | iamlindoro: | yet |
| [21:17:17] | justinh: | and the -dev guys fault too. don't forget |
| [21:17:32] | fuxxy: | hmm |
| [21:17:35] | iamlindoro: | "Why didn't myth find, research and fix the problem for me, and WHY ISN'T MY LAUNDRY DONE YET?" |
| [21:17:59] | justinh: | that livetv channel change time thread has had me fuming all day |
| [21:18:13] | xand: | hmm |
| [21:18:17] | justinh: | here are some bitchy emails people sent to me personally off-list |
| [21:18:23] | xand: | either I DIW or something isn't right |
| [21:18:28] | iamlindoro: | especially after the polite sugestion that it was (and is) a users thread |
| [21:18:43] | iamlindoro: | followed by the not so polite "screw you, I'll talk about it where I want." |
| [21:18:55] | xand: | I changed the xmltvid data in the channels table and edited my tv_grab_uk_rt.conf file... anything else? |
| [21:19:03] | xand: | (and ran mythfilldatabase) |
| [21:19:07] | justinh: | xand: patience :) |
| [21:19:10] | justinh: | seems ok here |
| [21:19:13] | xand: | hm |
| [21:19:31] | justinh: | only I forgot to update news24 to bbcnews.bbc.co.uk |
| [21:20:00] | xand: | isn't it just news.bbc.co.uk |
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| [21:20:47] | xand: | oh, wait |
| [21:21:03] | xand: | how does it know which .dat files match up with each xmltvid? |
| [21:21:35] | justinh: | channel_ids file |
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| [21:22:07] | justinh: | yes btw it is just news.bbc.co.uk |
| [21:22:10] | xand: | where's that live? |
| [21:22:29] | justinh: | /usr/share/doc/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt here IIRC |
| [21:23:10] | justinh: | or not |
| [21:23:12] | justinh: | heh |
| [21:23:30] | justinh: | /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids |
| [21:24:00] | justinh: | bugger. I'm not subscribed to the -users list |
| [21:24:46] | iamlindoro: | justinh: "What other people tell me about CC..." is even worst FWIW |
| [21:24:51] | iamlindoro: | er worse |
| [21:25:09] | iamlindoro: | because it's basically "nyah nyah, other ignorant idiots agree with me you big meanies!" |
| [21:25:26] | iamlindoro: | I love that it culminates in "I think the best thing to do is install MythTV..." |
| [21:25:40] | iamlindoro: | WHAT? He hasn't *installed* it yet and he's haranguing the dev list? |
| [21:28:00] | xand: | apparently I don't have a channel_ids file |
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| [21:29:39] | justinh: | right. that's the -users list warned |
| [21:29:53] | justinh: | just before they have their wives moan that emmerdale didn't record |
| [21:30:21] | justinh: | pfft. the things I do out of a sense of duty :p |
| [21:30:41] | justinh: | people are still gonna miss it too, you just know it |
| [21:31:25] | justinh: | iamlindoro: sorry I got you started. I've resisted bringing it up since I asked for somebody to bring me the head of linuxguy123 |
| [21:31:53] | iamlindoro: | justinh: Heh, it's okay... FWIW he's also a Satellite theif if you read his original posts in users and put 2 and 2 together |
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| [21:31:57] | gbee: | justinh: channel_ids are online now |
| [21:32:00] | iamlindoro: | er thief |
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| [21:32:23] | gbee: | http://supplement.xmltv.org/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids |
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| [21:32:57] | justinh: | gbee: depends if you use an up to date version of xmltv or not |
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| [21:33:04] | xand: | oh hmm |
| [21:33:06] | justinh: | I know some packages have a long way to catch up |
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| [21:33:46] | justinh: | I should prolly have uninstalled xmltv from my box but I was so fearful of what else it'd rip out I left it & installed the newer xmltv over the top |
| [21:33:56] | ** xand wonders why it's not working then ** | |
| [21:34:01] | justinh: | don't do that at home, kids |
| [21:34:59] | iamlindoro: | Imma break things GOOD this weekend. New netboot frontend, need to update backend distro, etc. |
| [21:35:08] | justinh: | xand: has mythfilldatabase finished yet? |
| [21:35:14] | xand: | yes |
| [21:35:21] | justinh: | xand: and are you running mythfilldatabase as the same user mythbackend runs as normally? |
| [21:35:31] | xand: | yes |
| [21:35:34] | justinh: | sure?> |
| [21:35:53] | xand: | hm |
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| [21:35:59] | fuxxy: | I need help with lirc – I'm trying to see if my ir blaster on my mceusb2 reciever JustWorks(tm) |
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| [21:36:19] | xand: | I shall run it again using the script my cronjob runs |
| [21:36:22] | justinh: | for test purposes maybe run tv_grab_uk_rt --config-file /home/mythtv/.mythtv/$videosourcename.xmltv |
| [21:36:37] | fuxxy: | Is there a way to "copy" the pulse code from my 5.1 reciever's remote and "send" that pulse code out the transmitter? |
| [21:36:38] | justinh: | it'll take a few minutes but you'll see useful output |
| [21:37:04] | justinh: | fuxxy: irrecord ftw |
| [21:37:17] | justinh: | fuxxy: but not all remote receivers can learn just any old remote (tm) |
| [21:38:03] | fuxxy: | justinh, I see the LED light up on the USB reciever when I use the 5.1's remote, still, no guarantee it will work though |
| [21:38:13] | justinh: | and IIRC, IR blasting on MCE kit is kind of weird – you have to tell it what code set to use etc. and for that there was only ever one howto page on some guy called Mark $somebody's blog |
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| [21:39:24] | fuxxy: | justdave, Mark's Braindump mabye? |
| [21:39:38] | justinh: | aye |
| [21:39:52] | fuxxy: | justinh rather.. okay *starts reading* |
| [21:40:11] | justinh: | oh wait no that was for pvr150 ir blastering |
| [21:40:14] | justinh: | duh |
| [21:40:42] | justinh: | just found https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc . . . 0Transmitter though which says configuration is like doing it for a serial blaster |
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| [21:41:11] | justinh: | i.e. add your stereo's remote control config file to your lircd.conf, start up lirc & use irsend with the appropriate remote name |
| [21:41:12] | fuxxy: | justinh, yeah, I was considering pvr150 blasting also, but I figured mceusb2 blasting would be easier |
| [21:41:23] | fuxxy: | justinh, okay, thank you |
| [21:41:42] | justinh: | that'd assume you can either learn your stereo's remote with irrecord or you stumble upon a ready made config file for it |
| [21:42:04] | justinh: | or you figure out a way of reverse-engineering a pronto config file & turn it into a lircd.conf file :P |
| [21:42:13] | fuxxy: | justinh, I really only need two controls :) VOL_UP and VOL_DOWN :) |
| [21:42:24] | justinh: | I need to have a go at IR blasteryfying one of these days |
| [21:43:10] | fuxxy: | apparently there's a bit of voodoo involved |
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| [21:43:26] | justinh: | command to run to watch video... opensesame.sh which contains "turn on AV receiver, dim lights, power on subwoofer, crank volume way up... play $file" |
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| [21:43:54] | fuxxy: | justinh, FWT |
| [21:43:58] | fuxxy: | justinh, FTW rather |
| [21:44:02] | justinh: | oops I forgot "mute phone" |
| [21:45:50] | xand: | oh, I have another xmltv config file :| |
| [21:45:54] | xand: | updated the wrong one |
| [21:46:57] | fuxxy: | wow, someone's already recorded my remote |
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| [21:48:07] | fuxxy: | but what kind of crap is this, it's not finished! |
| [21:48:54] | justinh: | fuxxy: you have nothing to lose by trying irrecord in that case :) |
| [21:49:12] | fuxxy: | justinh, yep! |
| [21:49:21] | justinh: | irrecord is like using one of those learnin' remotes but you get to see it doin all the lernins! |
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| [21:50:10] | fuxxy: | f'kin nascar man! |
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| [21:51:34] | StupidAmerican: | what is the best audio quality that i should expect from an ATSC stream? |
| [21:51:41] | justinh: | wow. according to the interwebs people can steal your data just by sniffing your keyboard. man |
| [21:51:49] | StupidAmerican: | im not sure how to ask this question correctly, thats why im using this nick ;-) |
| [21:52:03] | justinh: | my guess is they have to be non-smokers though |
| [21:52:03] | StupidAmerican: | ie: they say that 7.1 is a waste of time for television.... but is that really true ? |
| [21:52:17] | iamlindoro: | StupidAmerican: Given you can't send 7.1 via ATSC, yes |
| [21:52:18] | justinh: | 5.1 is the best you get. no idea about bitrates |
| [21:52:39] | StupidAmerican: | iamlindoro: so what im wondering is ... what is the best that they do currently transmit? |
| [21:52:44] | iamlindoro: | and regarding quality, as it's digital reception, you can expect to get exactly the digital stream sent by your provider, which improves by bitrate |
| [21:52:46] | justinh: | 5.1 |
| [21:52:48] | StupidAmerican: | oh, 5.1 ... ok cool! that rocks then |
| [21:52:55] | iamlindoro: | *sometimes* |
| [21:53:05] | iamlindoro: | just don't expect that everything will have a 5.1 track |
| [21:53:12] | StupidAmerican: | yeah i was just wondering what i should expect |
| [21:53:18] | StupidAmerican is now known as mkrufky | |
| [21:53:20] | mkrufky: | ;-) |
| [21:53:31] | mkrufky: | i bought a turtle beach Montego |
| [21:53:34] | iamlindoro: | hey hey hey now |
| [21:53:42] | mkrufky: | because i couldnt get the optical working on my other sound board |
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| [21:53:53] | ** justinh blames ALSA ** | |
| [21:53:54] | iamlindoro: | I like that Turtle Beach, I bought one for my folks |
| [21:53:55] | dustybin: | 'im a pc and i sell fish' |
| [21:53:59] | mkrufky: | ...and i hear that the montego has great linux support |
| [21:54:15] | mkrufky: | the optical port on the other machine (on-board atiixp) is not detected |
| [21:54:31] | mkrufky: | ... it only works with the analog output... and i dont wanna settle for that! |
| [21:54:37] | justinh: | bleh |
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| [21:54:55] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: That Turtle Beach doesn't claim to do 7.1 via optical, though, does it? |
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| [21:55:05] | mkrufky: | yes, it does claim |
| [21:55:08] | xand: | yay listings all better now |
| [21:55:16] | iamlindoro: | erm... that would be false AFAIK |
| [21:55:24] | iamlindoro: | as optical doesn't have the bandwidth for 7.1 AFAIK |
| [21:55:36] | dustybin: | jamie olivers food ministry kicks ass |
| [21:55:38] | justinh: | xand: send case of Jack Daniels to PO Box 69, manchester |
| [21:55:42] | mkrufky: | umm, if im playing a blu-ray with 7.1 sound via optical, that should be the best way, no? |
| [21:55:43] | mkrufky: | no?!?! |
| [21:55:54] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky: That's what I'm getting at, you can't do that |
| [21:56:02] | xand: | ol |
| [21:56:04] | xand: | lol |
| [21:56:04] | mkrufky: | whoah! ... and here i thought optical was the shit |
| [21:56:07] | xand: | |
| [21:56:08] | xand: | gah |
| [21:56:09] | iamlindoro: | most card implement 7.1 as analog outs |
| [21:56:19] | justinh: | analogue?! |
| [21:56:34] | justinh: | will somebody please think of the poor kittens? |
| [21:56:35] | mkrufky: | :-( but my receiver doesn't have 7.1 analog inputs?!? how is this a 7.1 receiver then? |
| [21:56:45] | iamlindoro: | via HDMI, perhaps? |
| [21:56:46] | justinh: | every time somebody uses analogue, I kill kittens |
| [21:57:10] | iamlindoro: | HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 channel PCM/TrueHD/MLP/E-AC3, etc. |
| [21:57:23] | mkrufky: | oh, im such a loser, then |
| [21:57:25] | mkrufky: | haha |
| [21:57:26] | justinh: | maybe I should buy shares in short audio patch cable manufacturing companies |
| [21:57:44] | ** xand is quite happy with his stereo sound :O ** | |
| [21:57:57] | mkrufky: | luckily, i am only using 5.1 sound anyway .... but i am looking forward to the future |
| [21:57:59] | xand: | it's all my 1980s amp can do so :P |
| [21:58:06] | justinh: | is there that much difference between 5.1 & 7.1 sound anyway? |
| [21:58:10] | justinh: | I mean _really_ ? |
| [21:58:15] | xand: | doubtful |
| [21:58:27] | mkrufky: | just added dimension |
| [21:58:33] | mkrufky: | most people wouldnt notice |
| [21:58:36] | justinh: | other than possible audible differences due to lossy compression |
| [21:58:44] | justinh: | I mean another 2 speakers :) |
| [21:59:10] | justinh: | hey guys.. sales of 5.1 gear have peaked. we need something NEW |
| [21:59:28] | dustybin: | maybe there should be a ministry of linux, people in the streets could bring out laptops and teach each other linux |
| [21:59:42] | riddlebox: | is it possible to have like a vcr playing a video on channel 3, and use myth to record channel 3 so I can get whats on the tape to be digital? |
| [21:59:46] | justinh: | besides, those freetards who refuse to pay for software can play 5.1 audio now. we need to stop that |
| [22:00:17] | justinh: | riddlebox: yes but that's going to be worse quality than capturing it over video & audio connections directly into your computer |
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| [22:00:51] | justinh: | RF < composite & stereo audio < svideo & stereo audio :) |
| [22:00:59] | mkrufky: | brb |
| [22:01:09] | riddlebox: | well I havent looked at the camera yet, but the person who is asking me said they have a video recorder that puts it on a little tape" |
| [22:01:23] | justinh: | uh? |
| [22:01:25] | riddlebox: | and then you put the little tape in a vcr tape and play it |
| [22:01:30] | justinh: | eew |
| [22:01:31] | riddlebox: | sorry accidentally hit enter |
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| [22:01:38] | justinh: | VHS-C |
| [22:01:43] | justinh: | orrible |
| [22:01:50] | mkrufky: | umm, ok i didnt miss much |
| [22:01:59] | mkrufky: | they were talking about HEROES and they wanted my opinion |
| [22:02:02] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [22:02:08] | iamlindoro: | Heh, who knew that S'PDIF has a copy-none bit |
| [22:02:12] | mkrufky: | no HEROES discussion can take place in this office without me |
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| [22:02:40] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, off to buy James Bond |
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| [22:07:37] | justinh: | well, bedtime here |
| [22:10:11] | bobgill: | anyone here have a PVR-350? considering buying one, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_PVR-350 << says that openGL not supported and normal X output is not at decent speed/quality.. would this affect me, as I use my desktop (separate box) as mythfrontend?? |
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| [22:13:11] | mkrufky: | bobgill: the pvr350 can be used as a harware mpeg decoder |
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| [22:13:28] | mkrufky: | bobgill: but its really just good for analog encoded content.... not really goog for HDTV stuff |
| [22:13:40] | bobgill: | yes I only have regular cable TV currently |
| [22:13:48] | mkrufky: | bobgill: ...and you would not use this as your primary display adapter, although yes, it can support an X display |
| [22:13:52] | bobgill: | I want another tuner so was wondering if it makes sense to buy the 350 instead of another 150 |
| [22:14:05] | mkrufky: | its just not meant for opengl or anything like that — its meant to decode the encoded mpeg2 streams |
| [22:14:10] | fuxxy: | I knew I keep the wife around for something |
| [22:14:24] | fuxxy: | she helped me program my remote in irrecord |
| [22:14:30] | mkrufky: | oh, well the pvr350 lets you do more than what the pvr150 does |
| [22:14:45] | fuxxy: | now I guess I can submit my COMPLETE conf to lirc |
| [22:14:52] | mkrufky: | im glad i have one — it lets me test video cards using standards other than what i have here (ntsc) |
| [22:14:53] | bobgill: | mkrufky: ah that should not be a prob then I use a 7600 on the backend for display.. i just want another tuner just for recordings, it wouldn't be doing anything else |
| [22:15:10] | GreyFoxx: | the 350s isn't worth the money unless you are getting it really cheap |
| [22:15:21] | mkrufky: | bobgill: if you're _just_ going to use it as a tuner, then it will be pretty much the exact same as the pvr150's functionality |
| [22:15:22] | GreyFoxx: | a 150+regular nvidia card is better valuye |
| [22:15:34] | GreyFoxx: | unless you are REALLY hurting for cpu and ONLY play mpeg2 |
| [22:15:37] | bobgill: | so it offers no better quality encoding than the 150 i guess ? |
| [22:15:40] | GreyFoxx: | no |
| [22:15:43] | bobgill: | ah ok |
| [22:15:47] | GreyFoxx: | in fact the 150 is better |
| [22:15:47] | bobgill: | 150 it is then |
| [22:15:48] | mkrufky: | its the same (pretty much) encoder as the pvr150 |
| [22:15:52] | fuxxy: | I guess I need to invest into an ATSC card |
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| [22:16:00] | fuxxy: | frickin digital transition |
| [22:16:05] | GreyFoxx: | the tuners on the 150's are supposedly better than those on the 250/350's |
| [22:16:16] | fuxxy: | GreyFoxx, I've got a PVR150.. |
| [22:16:17] | bobgill: | oh |
| [22:16:34] | bobgill: | well i have found a couple 350's on ebay nearly same cost as 150 |
| [22:16:48] | mkrufky: | the pvr150's are _newer_ than the pvr350's |
| [22:16:57] | fuxxy: | I've heard the 350's were effectivly two 150's ona single PCI slot |
| [22:16:58] | bobgill: | ooh |
| [22:17:03] | mkrufky: | if they're the same price, then id grab the 350 |
| [22:17:05] | fuxxy: | that's just heresay though |
| [22:17:12] | mkrufky: | but thats because i am a developer, and the 350 is more toys |
| [22:17:13] | GreyFoxx: | fuxx: No the 500s are |
| [22:17:22] | GreyFoxx: | the 350 is a 250 + decoder |
| [22:17:27] | bobgill: | oh |
| [22:17:27] | fuxxy: | GreyFoxx, YEAH that's it |
| [22:17:35] | fuxxy: | video out capability |
| [22:17:43] | bobgill: | i just need another tuner for a little while until house gets HD next year |
| [22:17:43] | fuxxy: | sorry |
| [22:17:43] | bobgill: | hehe |
| [22:18:08] | mkrufky: | HOUSE is in HD already |
| [22:18:14] | mkrufky: | ...or did i misunderstand? |
| [22:18:17] | bobgill: | lol |
| [22:18:21] | GreyFoxx: | fuxx: Heh no need to apologize |
| [22:18:23] | mkrufky: | hehehee |
| [22:18:27] | GreyFoxx: | its a lot of stuff to keep track of :) |
| [22:18:49] | GreyFoxx: | yup,m it's house night! :) |
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| [22:19:47] | mkrufky: | thirteen kisses a girl tonight |
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| [22:20:42] | mkrufky: | ok, im going home to set up my turtle beach and then watch house in 5.1 |
| [22:20:44] | mkrufky: | enjoy, all |
| [22:20:49] | GreyFoxx: | yeah I saw the commercial, hehe |
| [22:20:52] | bobgill: | sweet |
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| [22:21:08] | mkrufky: | l8r |
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| [22:30:25] | gbee: | since no-one has stepped up to maintain the 350 video decoding support in mythtv it doesn't really offer additional value |
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| [22:36:11] | iamlindoro_: | Yay James Bond! |
| [22:36:20] | ** iamlindoro_ thinks he may be the only one excited about this :) ** | |
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| [22:42:15] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | I have just upgraded my mythbuntu to 8.10 and now my mythtv front does not start any more |
| [22:42:38] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | when I try to go into backend configuration that does not srtart |
| [22:42:57] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | either, the system monitor shows status INET_WAIT_FOR_CONNECTION |
| [22:43:56] | bobgill: | If I get a Digital box (here: https://www.rogers.com/web/content/personal-a . . . _-hardware), I plug the box into tuner and use mythfrontend as normal (on separate desktop PC) right? ie., the program guide that comes with the digital box is irrelevant right? |
| [22:44:29] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, correct, the Program Guide on the STB is useless in a myth context |
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| [22:45:48] | bobgill: | iamlindoro_: okay thanks.. and I was a bit confused as I read somewhere that I need an IR blaster for the digital box.. but right now I have my mythbox server in the basement and desktop PC (FE) upstairs.. so I would have the digital box sitting there with the BE in the basement and still need an IR device with it? if so why? |
| [22:46:17] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, Yes, you would... how did you intend to change channels on the box otherwise? |
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| [22:46:38] | iamlindoro_: | It doesn't just dump all your channels out for tuning, if you use a STB you need to let it do the tuning and passively capture one of the outputs |
| [22:46:50] | iamlindoro_: | with a capture card |
| [22:47:51] | bobgill: | iamlindoro_: ahh okay, yeah i'm quite new at this.. just confused, as right now I use a 150 on the BE with the remote and little IR usb device on the FE upstairs.. so that would stay the same, but I would just also need an IR device on the BE for the digital box ? |
| [22:48:11] | iamlindoro_: | yes, an IR blaster rather than a receiver, but yes |
| [22:48:21] | bobgill: | ahh right |
| [22:48:35] | bobgill: | see I was thinking I needed to have the remote working the BE, my mistake |
| [22:49:08] | iamlindoro_: | right, you will need an IR blaster (transceiver) rather than a receiver |
| [22:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | (on the BE) |
| [22:49:29] | bobgill: | ahh |
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| [22:49:34] | bobgill: | dang terminology hehe |
| [22:49:46] | bobgill: | i'm checking here now: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/compare/compare_hvr-internal.html |
| [22:49:56] | bobgill: | is the hvr-1800 the "best" card that works with myth? |
| [22:50:00] | bobgill: | of those |
| [22:50:10] | iamlindoro_: | If you intend to capture from a cable box, you need to purchase the 1600 |
| [22:50:17] | bobgill: | ahh |
| [22:50:18] | iamlindoro_: | the 1800's analog side will not work in myth |
| [22:50:42] | iamlindoro_: | and it's the analog side that you will use to capture the output of your box |
| [22:50:50] | bobgill: | oh |
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| [22:50:57] | bobgill: | the digital side would only be used for HD? |
| [22:51:23] | iamlindoro_: | You cannot capture the HD output of your box with any of these cards |
| [22:51:34] | bobgill: | oh |
| [22:51:57] | iamlindoro_: | digital is used for straight from the wall or antenna, and when used on cable will ONLY be on the unecrypted channels, which will be NCB, ABC, CBS, Fox, and whatever your local religious and community college programming is |
| [22:52:05] | iamlindoro_: | er NCB |
| [22:52:07] | iamlindoro_: | er NBC |
| [22:52:08] | iamlindoro_: | durnit |
| [22:52:13] | bobgill: | hehe |
| [22:52:22] | iamlindoro_: | ie, more or less the same stuff you would get if you just used antenna |
| [22:52:43] | bobgill: | so would the quality be better than what I get with my PVR 150 and regular cable TV currently ? |
| [22:53:03] | iamlindoro_: | For those channels which are unencrypted, yes, far better |
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| [22:53:22] | iamlindoro_: | if most of your TV watching is the major networks, then digital is absolutely the way to go for those |
| [22:53:34] | iamlindoro_: | and you can use the analog side of the card for the other stuff that you need to get from the STB |
| [22:53:56] | bobgill: | well in the family room, parents have thix box currently.. they get everything I get with my regular cable TV, and a few more chans |
| [22:54:17] | bobgill: | would it be different being hooked up to the tuner? |
| [22:54:36] | iamlindoro_: | I have no idea what that question means |
| [22:54:54] | iamlindoro_: | Sorry, that was wayyy too cryptic for someone who has no idea what your setup is |
| [22:55:07] | bobgill: | lol my bad lemme try to clarify: |
| [22:55:49] | growltiger: | i cannot get my hophog 1250 to work with my cable stb |
| [22:55:56] | fuxxy: | justinh, blasting is SUPER EASY on mceusb2 |
| [22:56:20] | bobgill: | I have pvr150 and use it to capture cable TV (analog, no STB to my BE right now).. in the family room, my parents use the digital box I linked to (that I wish to get one of for myself).. and so we both get the same channels, but they get a few more of course with the box |
| [22:56:29] | bobgill: | so I was just wondering, if I get the box and use it on the BE |
| [22:56:47] | bobgill: | with you talking about unencrypted channels, would that affect what can be captured by the tuner |
| [22:57:01] | bobgill: | (sorry again, real new at the terminology here, trying to get a grasp) |
| [22:57:08] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, what you would want to do is split the cable, and feed on into the HVR-1600 for digital, and feed the S-video of the STB into the HVR-1600 for analog |
| [22:57:22] | iamlindoro_: | so the HVR would capture digital via the tuner, and the STB output via S-video |
| [22:57:36] | iamlindoro_: | giving you all the channels from the STB, and the better, Hi Def channels that are unencrypted |
| [22:58:20] | iamlindoro_: | growltiger, Before I say anything, you know that you can't use the digital tuner to capture any sort of Hi-def signal from a STB, right? |
| [22:58:50] | iamlindoro_: | growltiger, the HVR-1250 does have an analog tuner, but it's a crappy framegrabber that will never be anything special (and, in fact, is a very inferior type of analog tuner) |
| [22:59:49] | iamlindoro_: | The HVR-1250 is great as a digital tuner (antenna or the few unencrypted channels you get straight from the wall) but that is really the extent of what it is useful for |
| [23:00:03] | gbee: | eww, why are they still making frame grabbers? |
| [23:00:05] | iamlindoro_: | if you want to capture the output of a STB you really want a hardware encoding analog card. |
| [23:00:28] | bobgill: | iamlindoro_: okay.. so "encrypted" channels are in digital, and "unencrypted" are analog? |
| [23:00:29] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, I figure they get the analog bits as part of the tuner chipsets and might as well throw them in |
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| [23:01:23] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, you would capture all the encrypted channels using the analog outputs of the STB, the digital side is only usable for *unencrypted* stuff, which will be a few channels you capture straight out of the wall |
| [23:02:28] | bobgill: | ohh |
| [23:02:37] | growltiger: | yeah, i am taking it back |
| [23:02:50] | bobgill: | so if I get the 1600 then I am set for using the box |
| [23:02:59] | bobgill: | it comes with an IR blaster too that's good |
| [23:03:02] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, yes |
| [23:03:09] | growltiger: | it seems useless to me, as i have digital cable with hd and this card does not seem to work wit it |
| [23:03:24] | iamlindoro_: | growltiger, not just that card, all digital tuners will be that way |
| [23:03:38] | bobgill: | iamlindoro_: now if I get HD in the future the 1600 can capture that too? or will need a better/newer card ? |
| [23:03:48] | iamlindoro_: | digital tuners can only capture unencrypted (reaD: very very few network channels) and analog tuners can only capture SD |
| [23:04:13] | fuxxy: | I have audio output from mythtv exclusively over the SPDIF into my 5.1 reciever.. I have set up my blaster to operate the volume controls on the reciever.. Where in myth can I move volume controls to the blaster instead of handling internally? |
| [23:04:45] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, like I just said to growltiger, the 1600 will capture HD using the digital tuner from anything that's unencrypted... the none of the encrypted HD channels, and none of the premium encrypted channels. For those you are stuck capturing analog SD with the 1600. |
| [23:05:10] | iamlindoro_: | and even then, only after passing through a STB |
| [23:05:14] | bobgill: | dang |
| [23:05:26] | bobgill: | so one cannot capture encrypted HD stuff at all with myth? |
| [23:05:36] | iamlindoro_: | well, two things |
| [23:05:46] | iamlindoro_: | first, it's not myth, it's all homebrew DVRs |
| [23:05:56] | growltiger: | i was hoping to not have to get the pvr from cox |
| [23:06:09] | iamlindoro_: | second, there IS an option coming on the scene over the past few months, but it's not ready from primetime yet |
| [23:06:12] | fuxxy: | iamlindoro_, encrypted HD usually aren't the free channels are they? |
| [23:06:28] | bobgill: | okay i'm startin to understand now hehe |
| [23:06:42] | iamlindoro_: | fuxxy, no, they are not. Usually just the locals and network Tv are unencrypted |
| [23:07:00] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, the Hauppauge HD-PVR will capture the component outputs of a STB--- which allows for HD capture of all subscribed channels |
| [23:07:00] | bobgill: | so like here: https://www.rogers.com/web/content/personal-a . . . e-_-hardware |
| [23:07:09] | iamlindoro_: | It's a new USB capture device |
| [23:07:10] | iamlindoro_: | BUT |
| [23:07:10] | bobgill: | I would have to get the 2nd or 3rd box to get unencrypted stuff ? |
| [23:07:40] | iamlindoro_: | the driver is in early early development in linux, and myth support won't be in a released version until next release |
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| [23:07:51] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, that is just a "welcome to rogers" page |
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| [23:08:27] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, any STB will decrypt and poop out analog outputs, so any STB should allow you to capture *something* |
| [23:08:57] | bobgill: | damn maybe this works: https://www.rogers.com/web/content/personal-about/hardware |
| [23:09:06] | growltiger: | so for now, the only way to record good hd programs is to have to rent the prv that the cable company rpovides? |
| [23:09:50] | iamlindoro_: | growltiger, Or, if you are the type who is not afraid of compiling/patching myth and drivers, you can test the new HD-PVR support-- just be aware that you will be met very angrily if you are not perfectly comfortable doing those things on your own |
| [23:10:13] | growltiger: | oh, i've compiled many kernels in my time |
| [23:10:14] | iamlindoro_: | as it is really meant ONLY for those contributing to its development until .22 is out |
| [23:10:41] | bobgill: | so would the capture with a 1600 from STB in analog be better than my 150 right now ? |
| [23:10:46] | iamlindoro_: | if you run into any trouble, you *will* be solving it on your own, because if you ask, you'll get "Guess you shouldn't be using the development version then, eh?" |
| [23:10:52] | growltiger: | dont feel like buying another card at this time though |
| [23:10:57] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, no, pretty much comparable |
| [23:11:29] | abqjp: | growltiger: depends on what you mean by "good hd programs". Personally, I think there is some good stuff on FOX, NBC, PBS, ABC, CBS, which the HDhomerun will capture in full HD glory. |
| [23:11:51] | iamlindoro_: | ^^ completely agree |
| [23:12:08] | iamlindoro_: | a digital tuner will capture much of what the average user cares to watch |
| [23:12:30] | iamlindoro_: | but if you were counting on, say, HBO Hd, Discovery HD, etc. you are likely to be disappointed |
| [23:12:44] | abqjp: | growltiger: if you mean DiscoverHD, etc, then HD-PVR or firewire are (pretty much) your only options, and firewire does not work for *most* people. |
| [23:12:51] | growltiger: | i only want stuff like history and scfi and animal planet and those types of channels, rarely do i watch regular network channels |
| [23:13:10] | growltiger: | yes, and discovery channel |
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| [23:13:25] | iamlindoro_: | growltiger, Then as abqjp said, you are stuck either a) waiting for .22 and buying an HD-PVR, or capturing in SD with an analog tuner |
| [23:13:35] | iamlindoro_: | BTW, HD-PVR on sale for $190 today |
| [23:14:02] | abqjp: | growltiger: If you are comfortable hacking on a linux box, go for the HD-PVR. |
| [23:14:29] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [23:15:00] | abqjp: | growltiger: be warned the "development" branch of myth is not NEAR as stable as the 0.21 release. But, it is usable if don't mind that. |
| [23:15:48] | ** gbee makes it even less stable ** | |
| [23:15:51] | growltiger: | i guess i will have to wait, i was really wanting to not have to rent the pvr from cox |
| [23:15:52] | abqjp: | growltiger: Myth's UI is being re-written, so some of the screens, right now, and kinda freaked out. |
| [23:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, I keep meaning to look at adding a dropdown box for audio format so that we can get that AC3 patch in |
| [23:16:06] | abqjp: | s/and kinda/are kinda/ |
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| [23:16:39] | growltiger: | i can just use the other features for now, i like the video jukebox and news and weather plugins |
| [23:16:52] | gbee: | amazing number of theme issues, some of which I would have sworn were fine |
| [23:16:54] | bobgill: | wow the HD-PVR looks great... I think I might wait for that |
| [23:17:08] | gbee: | e.g. buttons overlapping or disappearing offscreen |
| [23:17:14] | iamlindoro_: | growltiger, abqjp is right, though-- I am usually the person warning people off of the HD-PVR (as we've had our fair share of people who are more or less "I bought one! Now make it work for me!") but if you can compile a kernel, it would likely be no great chore for you |
| [23:17:17] | abqjp: | growltiger: the development version of myth still reliably records shows, which is the most important part. |
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| [23:17:53] | gbee: | can't be having that ... |
| [23:17:57] | ** gbee breaks it ** | |
| [23:18:15] | abqjp: | gbee: I have not updated in a couple of days. is the "upcomming recordings" metallurgy screen fixed? |
| [23:19:20] | gbee: | abqjp: fixed as in widescreen instead of 4:3? no, it's fixed locally but I'll have to upload an updated version of the theme – maybe tomorrow if I remember |
| [23:19:46] | gbee: | or I might just commit Metallurgy to trunk, easier for everyone |
| [23:19:57] | abqjp: | gbee: on my (couple day old) version, the "upcomming recording" screen shows "You have not scheduled any recordings.." message over the top of the "to do" list. |
| [23:20:05] | growltiger: | i also have a pinnacle tvtogo box thing, sort of like a slingbox, could this be made to work with myth? |
| [23:20:26] | gbee: | abqjp: hmm, that might be fixed already |
| [23:20:32] | iamlindoro_: | growler, no |
| [23:20:36] | iamlindoro_: | er growltiger no |
| [23:20:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: i dont know how your distro works, but for me, compiling a kernel is two 'make's and a 'cp' |
| [23:21:12] | abqjp: | gbee: please let me know when you have a new version. Still my fav theme. |
| [23:21:13] | wagnerrp: | something you could be clueless and still manage to do |
| [23:21:14] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, perhaps I should say "configuring and compiling a kernel" |
| [23:21:21] | wagnerrp: | ok, ill go with that |
| [23:24:23] | gbee: | three makes, no copy |
| [23:25:34] | gbee: | not that I've built a kernel in what seems forever, but in reality is probably 18 months |
| [23:26:13] | gbee: | hopefully I'll never need to do it ever again |
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| [23:31:52] | bobgill: | http://www.hauppauge.com/site/compare/compare_hvr-internal.html << is the 1600 just the oldest of these, or any other reason it's PCI and not PCI express like the others? |
| [23:32:02] | bobgill: | (this is good for me as my server's old ass mobo doesn't have PCIE, but just curious) |
| [23:32:36] | iamlindoro_: | bobgill, I imagine it's PCI because Hauppauge (rightly) believes there are still lots of PCI slots out there in the world |
| [23:33:01] | bobgill: | ah |
| [23:33:05] | bobgill: | goody for me hehe |
| [23:33:13] | iamlindoro_: | and if they didn't have the HVR-1600, they would have no Hardware analog encoders/Digital combo cards in PCI form factor |
| [23:34:35] | ** iamlindoro_ attempts to cut commercials from all of last night's TV without accidentally seeing any ** | |
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| [23:35:35] | gbee: | heh |
| [23:37:07] | wagnerrp: | time to expand the array |
| [23:37:14] | wagnerrp: | down to 112GB free |
| [23:39:05] | gbee: | looking at the US lineup of HVR I think we got a raw deal, all the DVB HVR's are single tuner |
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| [23:39:32] | iamlindoro_: | gbee, thought the HVR-1300 is the DVB-T 1600 |
| [23:40:13] | iamlindoro_: | at least, it's ivtv on the analog side, thought it also had a DVB-T tuner |
| [23:40:22] | abqjp: | janneg was right about tearing not being fixed in the new intel video driver: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njc5Nw |
| [23:40:43] | iamlindoro_: | note that the HVR-1600 doesn't explicitly admit to being dual-at-the-same-time, but it is, likely it's the same way with the 1300 |
| [23:40:49] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, yeah, saw that this afternoon |
| [23:41:17] | iamlindoro_: | looks like it's extremely close to happening though |
| [23:41:32] | janneg: | gbee: I'm all for moving metallurgy to mythtv's svn |
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| [23:42:59] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, I can live with watching TV downstairs and getting my netboot on the Dell "just so" if it means it's fixed in a month, no biggie |
| [23:43:31] | ** gbee wants a dual DVB-S2 ** | |
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| [23:45:01] | wagnerrp: | even the 3000 and 4000 are single tuners? |
| [23:45:18] | iamlindoro_: | 4000 is S+T |
| [23:45:46] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: I doubt it will be fixed in a month |
| [23:46:02] | abqjp: | iamlindoro_: do you actually have Myth running on that box already? How bad *is* the tearing? |
| [23:46:03] | wagnerrp: | but even on those, you can still only use one of the inputs at a time? |
| [23:46:11] | janneg: | but only one useaable at once |
| [23:46:16] | janneg: | wagnerrp: yes |
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| [23:46:35] | iamlindoro_: | abqjp, It arrives Friday, and I have no idea if it will exhibit it or how bad it will be |
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| [23:46:54] | janneg: | abqjp: it's annoying on my thinkpad |
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| [23:47:08] | wagnerrp: | gbee: what about something like the netceiver |
| [23:47:12] | iamlindoro_: | janneg, What about the HVR-1300? that seems like an HVR-1600 with the ATSC swapped for DVB-T |
| [23:47:21] | iamlindoro_: | Seems like both should be usable at once there |
| [23:48:47] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: is that the PCIe card? then it is afaik a dual card |
| [23:49:20] | wagnerrp: | the 1300 is pci, the 1700 is pcie |
| [23:49:44] | wagnerrp: | although the 1700 is listed as a hybrid tuner, rather than a dual tuner like the 1800 |
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| [23:50:34] | wagnerrp: | 1300 is hybrid too |
| [23:50:44] | wagnerrp: | seems your only choice for a dual tuner is the 2200 |
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| [23:51:36] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: the hvr1300 is only DVB-T hybrid and I doubt it has more than one tuner, so only dvb-t or analog/mpeg2 |
| [23:51:48] | iamlindoro_: | bummer |
| [23:51:59] | wagnerrp: | well think of it this way |
| [23:52:09] | wagnerrp: | you get BNC connectors, rather than shitty threaded ones |
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| [23:55:14] | janneg: | the german hauppauge homepage still lista the hd pvr as coming soon |
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| [23:56:55] | abqjp: | janneg: if you need another one, I will send it to you ..... ;-) |
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