| Monday, October 13th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:21] | clev: | fryfrog: i beleive there is the wifi(bcm43xx) dialup(winmodem) and an empty one(i think for cell modem) |
| [00:00:25] | fryfrog: | or is it maybe a big notebook? like a desk note or what ever they call it |
| [00:00:29] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [00:00:43] | clev: | there is also a SIM slot under the laptop batery, for the cell modem |
| [00:01:01] | clev: | the slot i think it hard wired right to some leftover pins on the mini-pcie connector |
| [00:01:25] | fryfrog: | why wouldn't a mini-pcie cell card have a sim slot? |
| [00:01:33] | fryfrog: | seems like they'd pretty much have to plan on having it |
| [00:01:41] | clev: | the sim slot is part of the laptop itself, not the expansion card |
| [00:01:54] | fryfrog: | ah, you have one in it now? |
| [00:02:00] | fryfrog: | i mean, i got what you meant. but... |
| [00:02:02] | clev: | i dont have the cell modem |
| [00:02:13] | fryfrog: | what if most laptops don't have the built in sim slot? |
| [00:02:31] | fryfrog: | seems like cell modem makers would pretty much have to put the sim slot on the pci-e card |
| [00:02:33] | clev: | but its designed so i dont have to unscrew the keyboard and tear the laptop appart to change/add the SIM card |
| [00:02:43] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [00:02:46] | fryfrog: | nice of them |
| [00:02:49] | clev: | i just take the battery out |
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| [00:03:08] | fryfrog: | htat makes sense, maybe it is some laptop standard |
| [00:03:15] | CygnusX1: | Greetings. I have Mythbuntu 8.04.1 installed. A PVR-350 and PVR-150 are tuners. All was working well until a couple of weeks ago...a couple of programs on the PVR-350 recorded in B & W...rebooted machine...now has color but no sound. There is also no sound in video from cat /dev/video0. (I am not using the video oputput on the 350) |
| [00:03:26] | clev: | fryfrog: im guessing its a standard for mini-pcie |
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| [00:03:42] | clev: | fryfrog: http://www1.ca.dell.com/content/products/prod . . . p;cs=cabsdt1 |
| [00:04:09] | clev: | 'Dell Wireless 5720 EVDO Rev A (Telus Canada)' |
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| [00:06:23] | clev: | fryfrog: one of the other neat 'security' things i found in this d630, the microphone can be disabled in bios |
| [00:07:18] | fryfrog: | thats something i've never seen :) |
| [00:07:54] | clev: | if it actualy works, then it would be imposible to spy on your psysical convo with a trojan |
| [00:08:26] | clev: | im guessing the audio hardware will only let you set that once, per power cycle |
| [00:09:19] | clev: | thats the only way to make it secure |
| [00:12:10] | CygnusX1: | Okay...afer leaving it powered off for a few minutes and bringing it back up...all is well. I love these cards. |
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| [00:16:49] | theBishop: | are there any supported tuner cards that can handle 2 digital signals through a single rf input? |
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| [00:17:26] | clev: | Captain_Murdoch: havent seen you arround in ages :D |
| [00:18:03] | iamlindoro: | theBishop, not currently, no. When the HVR-2250 driver is available (currently being worked on), that will fit the bill |
| [00:19:01] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, should i buy one of those cards now if i'm building a new pc? what kind of timeframe is expected for support? |
| [00:19:24] | iamlindoro: | theBishop, could be a few weeks, could be multiple months |
| [00:19:46] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, ah in the mean time, is there partial support? |
| [00:19:51] | iamlindoro: | at *least* 4–6 weeks before there's a beta driver, probably a good deal longer before it's stable |
| [00:19:57] | iamlindoro: | no, none whatsoever ATM |
| [00:20:02] | theBishop: | gah |
| [00:20:20] | iamlindoro: | You could get a dual tuner with two inputs, however, or two singel tuners |
| [00:20:26] | iamlindoro: | er single |
| [00:20:49] | theBishop: | you can use a splitter for OTA, right? |
| [00:21:02] | iamlindoro: | you can use a splitter for anything you like, not just OTA |
| [00:21:05] | iamlindoro: | but yes |
| [00:21:58] | theBishop: | right, but can the tuners independently tune from one antenna? |
| [00:22:06] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [00:22:14] | theBishop: | ok, well that's probably fine |
| [00:22:26] | theBishop: | i'm trying to ditch comcast :) |
| [00:22:47] | iamlindoro: | In that case, what you want is the HDHomeRun, which is awesome (apparently) and a nice little network attached device to boot with good Myth support. |
| [00:24:04] | theBishop: | hmm... why that vs a pci-e card? |
| [00:24:19] | iamlindoro: | Because it's the only current dual tuner option otherwise. |
| [00:24:40] | theBishop: | ah, all the others are digital+analog? |
| [00:24:49] | clev: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels |
| [00:24:50] | iamlindoro: | yep, and one of each only |
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| [00:25:59] | theBishop: | clev, heh, i've already tried a high gain antenna through my TV's ATSC tuner. a TON of christian broadcasting haha |
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| [00:26:18] | mattwj2002: | I did it |
| [00:26:19] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [00:26:42] | theBishop: | there's like Christian MTV, Christian cable news, Christian Disney-esque tween shows, etc |
| [00:27:00] | iamlindoro: | Yes, because we were all just wondering, "Hey, did mattwj2002 do it?" |
| [00:27:04] | iamlindoro: | and clev was all, "Do what?" |
| [00:27:10] | iamlindoro: | and I was all "It, dumbass!" |
| [00:27:19] | iamlindoro: | and he was all, "oh, I dunno!" |
| [00:27:25] | iamlindoro: | and I was all "well I bet he did" |
| [00:27:32] | iamlindoro: | and he was all, "Nah, I bet he didn't." |
| [00:27:42] | iamlindoro: | but here you are saying you did |
| [00:27:43] | iamlindoro: | so yay. |
| [00:27:49] | mattwj2002: | lol |
| [00:27:55] | mattwj2002: | I got my remote to work |
| [00:27:58] | iamlindoro: | oh wait, no, who freaking cares |
| [00:28:02] | mattwj2002: | never had a Mythtv remote before |
| [00:28:03] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [00:30:07] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, i'm not sure i like this HDHomeRun doohickey |
| [00:30:19] | theBishop: | it's expensive to boot |
| [00:30:36] | iamlindoro: | theBishop, okay, so buy two single tuners, I don't care what you buy |
| [00:30:49] | ** mattwj2002 has a HDHomeRun ** | |
| [00:31:06] | iamlindoro: | If you want dual digital tuner, you'll buy that (which has many myth users and great feedback). If you don't buy that, you're on your own |
| [00:31:33] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, until HVR-2250 support |
| [00:32:24] | iamlindoro: | I think it's a little foolhardy to pin your hopes on a card with no support whatsoever over one which has great support and a wide, established userbase, but then, feel free to ignore me... youve already begun to do so anyway |
| [00:32:32] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, can the client PC control the device over ethernet? |
| [00:32:43] | iamlindoro: | yes, of course |
| [00:33:04] | theBishop: | so you can use any remote with it? |
| [00:33:24] | fryfrog: | er |
| [00:33:30] | fryfrog: | one has little to do with the other. |
| [00:33:34] | theBishop: | i suppose |
| [00:33:38] | iamlindoro: | you don't need a remote to control the HDHomerun |
| [00:33:45] | clev: | the lirc remote only goes as far as mythfrontend |
| [00:33:49] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog is correct, one has nothing to do with the other |
| [00:33:56] | clev: | then its pretty much the same as controling mythfrontend with a keyboard |
| [00:34:10] | fryfrog: | except that in some cases your ir receiver might plug into your tv card |
| [00:34:21] | fryfrog: | but that is a tenious "relation" at best |
| [00:34:29] | fryfrog: | if i spell tenious right |
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| [00:34:38] | iamlindoro: | tenuous |
| [00:34:44] | clev: | fryfrog: yeah, my only receiver is on the pvr150, and that currently causes a kernel oops so i cant use it anyway |
| [00:34:45] | theBishop: | yeah, i'd rather use IR or bluetooth that isn't tied directly to the tuner |
| [00:35:09] | clev: | yep, that was my main reason for not moving the pvr150 |
| [00:35:10] | iamlindoro: | so buy mce remotes/receivers for all your frontends |
| [00:35:19] | iamlindoro: | cheap, and probably the best remotes for myth/linux |
| [00:35:23] | fryfrog: | me remote, yay! |
| [00:35:42] | fryfrog: | er, mce |
| [00:35:58] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, what about Harmony? are those supported? |
| [00:36:14] | iamlindoro: | you can use any remote you like so long as the receiver is supported |
| [00:36:19] | clev: | anything that is supported by lirc will work with mythtv |
| [00:36:25] | iamlindoro: | but with a harmony you'd still need to buy a receiver |
| [00:36:40] | theBishop: | iamlindoro, i get that |
| [00:36:42] | iamlindoro: | ergo, buy MCE remotes, where you're really paying for the reciever |
| [00:36:52] | iamlindoro: | and happen to get a kickass remote on top of that |
| [00:37:24] | theBishop: | yeah, those remotes are probably fine for the near-term anyway |
| [00:37:38] | mattwj2002: | yeha that is what I have |
| [00:37:47] | mattwj2002: | *yeah |
| [00:38:02] | iamlindoro: | Then you can use a $200 remote to change between the gospel network, the life network, faithTV, and Curch Chat |
| [00:38:06] | iamlindoro: | er church |
| [00:38:08] | theBishop: | haha |
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| [00:38:52] | mattwj2002: | theBishop you have DVB-S? |
| [00:38:53] | theBishop: | not just that, i also need it to control my receiver, xbox360, PS3 (if possible), TV, etc |
| [00:39:01] | Dagmar: | Don't forget FNN, Failure News Network. |
| [00:39:08] | theBishop: | mattwj2002, ich bin Amerikanner |
| [00:39:14] | Dagmar: | "U R BROKE! ALL DE TIMES!" |
| [00:39:17] | iamlindoro: | he's tuning ATSC |
| [00:39:24] | fryfrog: | i can't wait until mcain / palin win the election |
| [00:39:35] | mattwj2002: | I am American |
| [00:39:39] | fryfrog: | then mccain dies and palin forces the us to accept creationism as fact |
| [00:39:40] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, you live close enough that I can drive up and kill you for words like that |
| [00:39:43] | fryfrog: | that'll be so awesome. |
| [00:39:50] | theBishop: | Maliuta, i didn't think DVB is available in North America |
| [00:39:54] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: If they do it'll be time to implement IQ restrictions on voting right |
| [00:39:55] | Dagmar: | s |
| [00:40:04] | theBishop: | er mattwj2002 |
| [00:40:12] | iamlindoro: | theBishop, There is DVB-S in america, both encrypted and un. |
| [00:40:14] | fryfrog: | your iq must be this low or lower to ride this voting machine! |
| [00:40:19] | Dagmar: | "Eugenics: It's better than re-electing McCain" |
| [00:40:41] | fryfrog: | i saw a internet picture, you know the thing |
| [00:40:42] | mattwj2002: | I would get it but I don't have a clear view of the sky |
| [00:40:48] | mattwj2002: | dang tree in the way :( |
| [00:40:51] | fryfrog: | "sarah palin" and "para sailin" :) |
| [00:41:15] | theBishop: | better than Obama raising our taxes and banning our bibles |
| [00:41:15] | mattwj2002: | Obama is getting my vote |
| [00:41:23] | theBishop: | taking our guns |
| [00:41:24] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIgQ4VMPfyY |
| [00:41:35] | theBishop: | forcing us to marry homosexuals |
| [00:41:47] | fryfrog: | seriously, that guy is a terrorist |
| [00:41:53] | theBishop: | worse, a muslim |
| [00:41:57] | fryfrog: | exactly! |
| [00:42:06] | fryfrog: | oh yeah, and don't forget he is black |
| [00:42:12] | theBishop: | he is!?!?! |
| [00:42:13] | fryfrog: | prolly enslave all the white people |
| [00:42:15] | theBishop: | WTF!?!!? |
| [00:42:23] | Dagmar: | He's only half-black so it matters even less |
| [00:42:32] | theBishop: | it's called the WHITE house, not the HALF-BLACK house! |
| [00:42:36] | Dagmar: | Don't be a racist jackass |
| [00:42:47] | fryfrog: | yeah, just be a plain old jackass! |
| [00:43:27] | theBishop: | darmar gets offended when race comes up, but doesn't stick up for homosexuals... interesting |
| [00:43:38] | theBishop: | anyway... |
| [00:43:45] | keith4__: | not really |
| [00:43:55] | Dagmar: | theBishop: More importantly, I go find ops for trolls. |
| [00:44:10] | ** keith4__ makes popcorn ** | |
| [00:44:14] | theBishop: | heh |
| [00:44:21] | ** mattwj2002 setting up his backend ** | |
| [00:44:39] | ** theBishop is squandering the last day of the LittleBigPlanet beta ** | |
| [00:44:41] | ** mattwj2002 listening to ham radio ** | |
| [00:44:50] | Dagmar: | Okay now you can definitely die |
| [00:45:01] | Dagmar: | Damn them for making me wait until the 21st |
| [00:45:24] | theBishop: | it'll be worth the wait |
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| [00:47:02] | theBishop: | dagar, you don't want to get invested in building beta content that will be /dev/null'd after today |
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| [00:49:38] | Dagmar: | theBishop: No, but I am very compatible with the idea of beta. |
| [00:49:43] | Dagmar: | I like finding ways to break gaming systems. |
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| [00:50:24] | theBishop: | heh, well you'll find plenty of that. the netcode is particularly buggy |
| [00:51:16] | Dagmar: | Oh I'm sure I'll probably find all sorts of nice ways to exploit the physics to launch things at near-infinite speeds and so on |
| [00:52:43] | theBishop: | dagar, there are ways to make the arms really long :D |
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| [01:07:50] | hachi: | how do you get listings on broadcast HD signals? |
| [01:08:07] | wagnerrp: | schedules direct, or EIT |
| [01:08:09] | mattwj2002: | with a HDTV tuner if your in the US |
| [01:08:13] | keith4__: | you're |
| [01:08:15] | hachi: | Schedules direct isn't showing anything for me |
| [01:08:20] | clev: | what is a good program for viewing the schedules direct listings offline |
| [01:08:22] | hachi: | and I live in san francisco... |
| [01:08:24] | clev: | (not mythtv) |
| [01:08:28] | mattwj2002: | sorry misread the question |
| [01:08:46] | wagnerrp: | clev: on the SD site, they have a list of compatible programs |
| [01:08:56] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple that just allow viewing of the data |
| [01:09:00] | clev: | wagnerrp: yes, but which works 'best' for offline viewing |
| [01:09:10] | clev: | (and is linux based) |
| [01:09:57] | clev: | half of those approved app's seem to be part of pvr software |
| [01:10:02] | keith4__: | shocking |
| [01:10:29] | clev: | found one that isnt |
| [01:11:11] | wagnerrp: | theres several that arent |
| [01:11:24] | wagnerrp: | couch potato |
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| [01:11:28] | wagnerrp: | freeguide |
| [01:11:30] | clev: | i expect i'll need to also add my providers to schedules direct |
| [01:11:37] | clev: | yeah im installing freeguide atm |
| [01:11:37] | wagnerrp: | mac program guide |
| [01:11:47] | wagnerrp: | pocket tv listings |
| [01:11:52] | wagnerrp: | tv browser |
| [01:11:59] | wagnerrp: | xmltv gui |
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| [01:12:48] | wagnerrp: | theres probably a couple others that seem to have record support, but overstate their capabilities |
| [01:13:00] | clev: | lineup added |
| [01:13:21] | wagnerrp: | what do you need 'offline' scheduling for anyway? |
| [01:14:04] | iamlindoro: | That's why god made Mythweb |
| [01:15:07] | iamlindoro: | TV is totally dicked tonight-- *I* don't get a long weekend, *I* should get to watch my stories |
| [01:15:22] | iamlindoro: | Instead fox is running *Cheers* reruns?? |
| [01:15:30] | clev: | iamlindoro: mythweb wont work too well if i dont have a capture card on that lineup |
| [01:15:49] | iamlindoro: | clev, a lineup won't do you much good if you don't have a capture card on it. |
| [01:15:50] | wagnerrp: | isnt there a dummy card you can use? |
| [01:16:09] | clev: | iamlindoro: im trying to use it to find out whats on and then just watch it on a normal tv |
| [01:16:24] | iamlindoro: | sacrilige! |
| [01:16:38] | clev: | i dont have a capture system in my grandma's house:P |
| [01:16:49] | iamlindoro: | That surprises me about oyu |
| [01:16:50] | iamlindoro: | you |
| [01:16:55] | clev: | and it seems overkill to drag a desktop here and wire it up for 2 days |
| [01:17:11] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, you could always just go to zap2it |
| [01:17:23] | clev: | offline! |
| [01:17:28] | wagnerrp: | or yahoo |
| [01:17:43] | wagnerrp: | as in... not downloaded data, but websites |
| [01:17:46] | clev: | offline! |
| [01:17:58] | clev: | the wireless signal is crappy |
| [01:18:06] | hachi: | let's see how fast I can create a backend |
| [01:18:19] | wagnerrp: | so use the damned tv guide channel on the cable |
| [01:18:29] | clev: | wagnerrp: there isnt one, the cheap buggers left it out |
| [01:19:39] | wagnerrp: | channel surf for two days? |
| [01:19:48] | wagnerrp: | bring dvds? |
| [01:19:53] | iamlindoro: | or even, dare I say it, spend time with your grandmother |
| [01:20:12] | clev: | iamlindoro: she wont leave the tv on a channel long enough for me to make out a single sentence:P |
| [01:20:14] | wagnerrp: | damn, what did the world do before program guides |
| [01:20:17] | iamlindoro: | maybe you'll get lucky and she'll die without thinking you're a buffoon |
| [01:20:33] | mattwj2002: | ouch iamlindoro |
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| [01:22:50] | hachi: | wiki wiki wiki wiki |
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| [01:24:45] | hachi: | huh, the debian-multimedia package for mythtv-backend installs a mysql server :\ |
| [01:25:40] | iamlindoro: | as it should... |
| [01:25:46] | wagnerrp: | usually mythbackend requires an sql server |
| [01:25:53] | hachi: | only the master backend |
| [01:26:02] | hachi: | I'm pretty sure my slaves don't each need a mysql server running on them |
| [01:26:08] | iamlindoro: | packages are for primary use cases, not corner cases. |
| [01:26:08] | wagnerrp: | very few people run multiple backends |
| [01:26:30] | wagnerrp: | even fewer people run a sql server on a machine not their backend |
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| [01:27:20] | clev: | there, fixed freeguide |
| [01:27:29] | wagnerrp: | if youre that concerned about it, you can always build from source |
| [01:27:32] | fryfrog: | hachi: it needs the client libs too |
| [01:27:45] | fryfrog: | you can just let it install mysql, then disable the daemon itself. |
| [01:27:58] | hachi: | libs are in a seperate package |
| [01:28:02] | fryfrog: | yes, true |
| [01:28:03] | hachi: | I just forced debian to do what I want |
| [01:28:17] | fryfrog: | but can you imagine how many people would be confused if myth *didn't* draw in mysql? |
| [01:28:22] | fryfrog: | it'd be way worse, for sure |
| [01:28:43] | iamlindoro: | people are confused in the status quo when it *does* include all necessary packages |
| [01:28:48] | wagnerrp: | those packages are designed for people who dont know what theyre using, or otherwise dont care |
| [01:28:52] | wagnerrp: | if you do care, build from source |
| [01:29:14] | fryfrog: | or force debian to do what you want, like your date to highschool prom :) |
| [01:29:34] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [01:29:46] | hachi: | I'm actually waiting for my checkout of mythtv to finish |
| [01:29:48] | hachi: | clone |
| [01:29:55] | hachi: | it's been running for like 18 hours now |
| [01:30:06] | wagnerrp: | are you on dialup? |
| [01:30:06] | iamlindoro: | it's a checkout... clone is Hg. |
| [01:30:14] | hachi: | clone is also git |
| [01:30:19] | hachi: | git can clone from subversion |
| [01:31:00] | iamlindoro: | and yet more evidence that linux is home to more people who like to do things in the most effed up available way than any other group |
| [01:31:17] | hachi: | subversion doesn't give me a decent way to maintain a patchset against the main tree |
| [01:31:23] | hachi: | I could use quilt or something |
| [01:31:48] | wagnerrp: | it absolutely does! |
| [01:31:52] | wagnerrp: | you just change the files |
| [01:32:05] | wagnerrp: | and if you want to figure out what changed, you do a diff |
| [01:32:08] | wagnerrp: | simple as that |
| [01:32:14] | hachi: | that's one patch |
| [01:33:14] | wagnerrp: | that is one patch, youre not supposed to be working on more than that at a time |
| [01:33:29] | ** hachi shrugs ** | |
| [01:33:38] | hachi: | git saves me time |
| [01:33:42] | hachi: | I won't force you to use it |
| [01:33:56] | wagnerrp: | you make one change to the repository, you send it back in (or you send a patch to someone who can) |
| [01:34:00] | iamlindoro: | Not when you check things out via carrier pigeon |
| [01:34:20] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, youre straying too far from the main repository, and will just end up with compatibility issues when you try to merge back in |
| [01:34:38] | wagnerrp: | unless of course you have no intention of merging, but then there should also be no problem |
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| [02:27:27] | atiheadache: | Got mythtv troubles. Been working on this a few weeks and nothing has worked. I have an ATi Wonder Remote I 5000015900A model. I cant get it to work with lirc. It will work as keyboard emulator with ati_remote module loaded. When lirc is loaded I cant get the remote to do anything on button press. irw shows nothing. Can anyone point me in the right direction or poke around with me? |
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| [02:29:43] | atiheadache: | I have read through everything I could find pertaining to lirc/ati remotes. I searched the mythtv-user archives. Searched google. Read lirc docs. I am at a loss here |
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| [02:37:26] | hachi: | how do you test a DVB card? |
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| [02:50:17] | hachi: | I think I must not be traversing upwards for documentation, I can't figure out where to find docs on all this stuff |
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| [03:21:04] | Aughey: | has anyone seen font corruption like this? http://thinksplat.com/screen.png |
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| [03:56:31] | orkid_: | how do i fix an -lGL not found error? what lib is it in, (in ubuntu ibex) ? |
| [03:56:56] | orkid_: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
| [03:57:08] | orkid_: | that's the error i get while trying to compile 0.22 svn |
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| [04:03:54] | wagnerrp: | you linker cannot find libGL.so |
| [04:04:23] | wagnerrp: | find it, and add '-L <the path it is in>' |
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| [04:17:07] | orkid_: | hmm, weird, it couldnt find it when i ./configure with a lot of stuff disabled, but with the default it found it |
| [04:17:24] | orkid_: | weird? or maybe it wouldn't have found it, but simply hadn't gotten to that part of the compile yet |
| [04:17:34] | orkid_: | i didn't wait for it to finish :S |
| [04:18:15] | orkid_: | i had some menu text issues (again), after upgrading to ibex and having to change to 'nv' driver, so i updated to latest svn,... will see if that fixes things |
| [04:22:13] | wagnerrp: | you do not want the nv driver, unless you have a fairly beefy cpu and/or are doing SD resolutions |
| [04:22:30] | wagnerrp: | output resolutions, not video resolutions |
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| [04:41:13] | atiheadache: | Got mythtv troubles. Been working on this a few weeks and nothing has worked. I have an ATi Wonder Remote I 5000015900A model. I cant get it to work with lirc. It will work as keyboard emulator with ati_remote module loaded. When lirc is loaded I cant get the remote to do anything on button press. irw shows nothing. Can anyone point me in the right direction or poke around with me? |
| [04:41:42] | Chicago: | atiheadache: Do you have module autoloading enabled in your kernel? |
| [04:42:07] | atiheadache: | Chicago: yes but I blacklisted both ati_remote and lirc_atiusb so I could probe them myself as needed |
| [04:42:42] | Chicago: | atiheadache: hmm... how does it work for you if they're not blacklisted? Does lsmod show you the same list of inserted modules? |
| [04:44:21] | atiheadache: | well when it boots, since they are blacklisted it shows no ati modules loaded, for the reciever. When I prob ati_remote, it shows that under lsmod, when modprobe lirc_atiusb it shows lirc_atiusb and lirc_dev |
| [04:44:31] | atiheadache: | oh |
| [04:44:45] | atiheadache: | Chicago: if not blacklisted, when i plug in the reciever it shows lirc_atiusb |
| [04:45:03] | atiheadache: | Chicago: and lirc_dev |
| [04:45:27] | Chicago: | atiheadache: And do you have anything useful in the dmesg output if you have it plugged into the machine when you boot? |
| [04:45:41] | atiheadache: | Chicago: no, everything is clean |
| [04:45:55] | atiheadache: | Chicago: says, loaded this module. recognized this device |
| [04:46:04] | atiheadache: | Chicago: nothing abnormal, nothing about failure |
| [04:46:29] | Chicago: | atiheadache: Do you use the event interface in your kernel for input... such that when you 'cat /dev/input/eventX' you see crap when you push buttons? |
| [04:47:05] | atiheadache: | Chicago: i have never done that before, im using Ubuntu Hardy 8.04 pretty much stock image |
| [04:47:15] | atiheadache: | Chicago: installed mythtv and lirc thats it |
| [04:47:15] | Chicago: | well there's your problem |
| [04:47:28] | Chicago: | I don't know howto poke around in Ubuntu. |
| [04:47:47] | atiheadache: | Chicago: lol well from reading its same lirc install packages |
| [04:47:59] | atiheadache: | Chicago: same install locations , /etc/lirc/ |
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| [04:48:37] | atiheadache: | Chicago: and you know what, im not married to it. is there a distro better for mythtv? mythdora? fedora9? |
| [04:48:49] | Chicago: | :) I picked Gentoo |
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| [04:49:43] | atiheadache: | hmm, and lirc was no problem for ya? |
| [04:50:17] | atiheadache: | Chicago: im sure some remotes work easier than others too |
| [04:50:30] | Chicago: | Actually, I built a different interface for remote control. I use PHP to talk to the mythtv telnet interface and use a thingy on my mobile phone to do things like change channel and up/down volume. |
| [04:50:56] | atiheadache: | Chicago: oh, well i wana try and use this remote as i already have it |
| [04:51:02] | atiheadache: | Chicago: no other hints? |
| [04:51:41] | Chicago: | Compile from source... use the event interface... 'cat /dev/input/eventX' to make sure you're getting connectivity through the driver... then setup /etc/lirc appropriately. |
| [04:52:18] | atiheadache: | Chicago: i tried setting my lirc.hardware.conf to use events but i couldnt figure out which was the remote |
| [04:52:39] | atiheadache: | the only thing i was ever able to get a reading through was mode2 |
| [04:52:50] | atiheadache: | and i have no idea how useful that is but it recognized every key |
| [04:52:53] | Chicago: | It's as easy as 'cat /dev/input/eventX' if you have the event interface built into your kernel. |
| [04:53:07] | atiheadache: | Chicago: well it does, yes |
| [04:53:13] | Chicago: | Okay cool. |
| [04:53:19] | Chicago: | You're almost there. |
| [04:53:24] | atiheadache: | Chicago: i just have never used it thats all, dunny how to work with it |
| [04:53:33] | Chicago: | Next step is to configure lirc... then integrate it with myth. |
| [04:53:49] | Chicago: | fwiw, I didn't use lirc because it sucked for me and didn't work. :/ |
| [04:54:08] | atiheadache: | lol yea its a pain from all i can tell |
| [04:54:20] | atiheadache: | so many threads on broken lirc and no one ever seems to have an answer |
| [04:54:38] | atiheadache: | so let me ask you this, i can the remote to work using ati_remote, as a keyboard emulator |
| [04:54:39] | Chicago: | Just be patient. |
| [04:54:46] | Chicago: | Read the docs from the version you have installed. |
| [04:54:51] | atiheadache: | is there a way to just map keys to what i want |
| [04:54:53] | atiheadache: | read em |
| [04:55:02] | Chicago: | x2x might support that. |
| [04:55:10] | atiheadache: | x2x? |
| [04:55:22] | wagnerrp: | links keyboard and mouse of two X-servers |
| [04:55:46] | atiheadache: | xmodmap is what I have been hearing to map keys, |
| [04:55:52] | atiheadache: | do i have 2 x serves? |
| [04:56:08] | Chicago: | Do you have two linux boxes? |
| [04:56:09] | wagnerrp: | are you running VNC, or a second computer? |
| [04:56:21] | atiheadache: | vnc yes |
| [04:57:37] | atiheadache: | but I dont see how that helps |
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| [04:59:14] | atiheadache: | i mean im trying to get two mouse/keyboards on one screen right? but i guess to do that i would have to have 2 xconfigs, so i see what you mean |
| [04:59:58] | atiheadache: | but the keyboard vs remote keypresses would be different, couldnt i add a new part to my current xorg.conf instead? |
| [05:00:18] | Chicago: | atiheadache: I hope it works out for you. |
| [05:00:22] | wagnerrp: | you can add multiple mice/keyboards to a single x-server |
| [05:00:31] | wagnerrp: | with a single x-config |
| [05:00:45] | Chicago: | atiheadache: Pop in another hard disk... or add another partition and toy with a different distro that gets you closer to the goal – out of the box. |
| [05:00:49] | Chicago: | I have to goto bed. |
| [05:00:51] | Chicago: | :) |
| [05:01:03] | atiheadache: | Chicago: thanks, il try those, you have been helpful |
| [05:01:13] | Chicago: | yw |
| [05:01:20] | Chicago: | Good Luck |
| [05:01:22] | wagnerrp: | dont expect gentoo to get you anything 'out of the box' |
| [05:01:27] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: so why would x2x be helpful? |
| [05:01:40] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: i never expect that of linex ;) |
| [05:01:53] | Chicago: | wagnerrp: Out of the box, Gentoo doesn't include setbacks included with other distros. |
| [05:01:55] | wagnerrp: | i know why x2x would be helpful, i dont know what youre trying to do |
| [05:01:55] | atiheadache: | not why im using ubuntu, just had the disk lying around |
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| [05:02:24] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp Got mythtv troubles. Been working on this a few weeks and nothing has worked. I have an ATi Wonder Remote I 5000015900A model. I cant get it to work with lirc. It will work as keyboard emulator with ati_remote module loaded. When lirc is loaded I cant get the remote to do anything on button press. irw shows nothing. Can anyone point me in the right direction or poke around with me? |
| [05:02:27] | wagnerrp: | Chicago: unless youre on a beast of a machine, it also takes better than a day to get to a usable state |
| [05:02:55] | Chicago: | wagnerrp: Only once.... you can set FEATURES="buildbinpkg" in your /etc/make.conf and skip compiling for every machine after your first one. |
| [05:02:59] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: thats my original plea, i am just trying to get a remote working |
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| [05:06:55] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: do you have any ideas? |
| [05:07:02] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [05:07:10] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea how that driver functions |
| [05:07:34] | wagnerrp: | although im surprised that there is no config file to map the keyboard with |
| [05:07:48] | wagnerrp: | seems rather worthless without that |
| [05:07:59] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: well I have been working to get the alternate driver working, lirc, not the keyboard emulator |
| [05:08:23] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: but if the alternite keeps giving me trouble i will go the other way, maybe there is a conf file somewhere |
| [05:08:50] | atiheadache: | wagnerrp: thats the other fork in the road, i chose the way more commonly traveled and hit a deadend i guess\ |
| [05:09:21] | hachi: | how do you remove capture cards that don't belong to a machine that is up? |
| [05:09:32] | hachi: | IE, a slave backend that has exploded :) |
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| [05:09:58] | wagnerrp: | no correct way that i know of |
| [05:10:08] | wagnerrp: | but if you feel up, you can always play around with the database |
| [05:10:42] | hachi: | is there a guide to the schema at all? There's a little bit to it |
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| [05:11:17] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [05:11:35] | wagnerrp: | well im sure there is somewhere, no where i know of |
| [05:12:10] | hachi: | errr, how do I interpret that? |
| [05:12:32] | wagnerrp: | tuners are all kept in mythconverg.cardinput |
| [05:12:34] | hachi: | are you one of the folks that wrote it, and so there is likely no chance of me finding one |
| [05:12:46] | hachi: | okay |
| [05:13:02] | hachi: | I just didn't know how to interpret your comment, but thanks :) |
| [05:13:33] | wagnerrp: | mythconverg.capturecard |
| [05:13:45] | wagnerrp: | no, im not a dev |
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| [05:14:08] | wagnerrp: | ive did some brief searching for a schema, but since it changes not too infrequently, i dont know where the current version is |
| [05:14:22] | wagnerrp: | you could probably find a copy among the commit logs |
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| [05:21:38] | orkid_: | wagnerrp: i have to use nv, because the new xorg is not supported by the legacy (ie. version 96) nvidia driver |
| [05:21:52] | orkid_: | unless i install an os from scratch, or something like gentoo |
| [05:23:39] | wagnerrp: | so just build and load the legacy driver on your own |
| [05:23:45] | wagnerrp: | theyre available on nvidia's site |
| [05:23:59] | orkid_: | i read that the actual drive does not support the abi version. |
| [05:24:07] | wagnerrp: | all it needs is functional kernel source |
| [05:24:10] | orkid_: | and what is wrong with nv ? although the tv-output is somewhat of a hassle |
| [05:24:25] | orkid_: | i read the actual driver does not support the new Xorg ABI |
| [05:24:37] | orkid_: | so isn't it up to nvidia to release a new driver? |
| [05:24:43] | orkid_: | or am i not understanding something |
| [05:25:25] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [05:25:33] | ** tmiw_ mumbles towards his 800i ** | |
| [05:25:48] | orkid_: | "96.43.07 doesn't support the new xserver that comes with latest Ubuntu 8.10. I am also having the same problem and have been forced to use the nv driver for quite a while now..." |
| [05:25:53] | orkid_: | http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=116555 |
| [05:26:00] | hachi: | tmiw_: I'm trying to bring one of those up right now :) |
| [05:26:05] | orkid_: | just fyi in case anyone else asks |
| [05:26:15] | hachi: | in the world of ATSC I'm able to choose whether I want dash, or undercore, or 3 digit numbers, or period |
| [05:26:24] | tmiw_: | hachi: I just used underscore |
| [05:26:25] | hachi: | is one of these choices a more standard choice? |
| [05:26:49] | hachi: | I would like to be able to converse on the topic... and it's hard to say things like 'chnnel 5 subchannel 3' |
| [05:26:52] | tmiw_: | I'm actually struggling with the analog part of it |
| [05:26:53] | hachi: | :) |
| [05:27:02] | tmiw_: | it tunes something for a second, then it turns to static |
| [05:27:05] | hachi: | oh, I'm trying to keep away from analog on it |
| [05:27:18] | tmiw_: | on the atsc side, it gets really blocky every second or so and sound cuts out |
| [05:27:21] | wagnerrp: | nobody likes a framegrabber |
| [05:28:08] | hachi: | I've got a frontend that can already watch TV |
| [05:28:22] | hachi: | but it seems like it can't do it against this card |
| [05:28:27] | tmiw_: | there's a possibility that the splitter I'm using is a piece of crap, though |
| [05:28:41] | ** tmiw_ bought a 3–1 splitter without checking the specs :( ** | |
| [05:29:10] | hachi: | I'm gonna buy a bigger antenna, personally |
| [05:29:11] | tmiw_: | but I mean, I'm online with the cable modem on one of the legs |
| [05:29:17] | tmiw_: | so I guess it's fine |
| [05:30:21] | tmiw_: | hachi: so you're using OTA? |
| [05:30:24] | tmiw_: | instead of cable? |
| [05:31:19] | hachi: | I'm playing with OTA first, I have analog cable being captured with a PVR-150 in another backend already |
| [05:31:30] | hachi: | digital cable will happen after I finish this |
| [05:33:08] | hachi: | oof |
| [05:33:43] | hachi: | mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
| [05:33:55] | hachi: | try trying again :\ |
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| [05:36:02] | RyeBrye: | I'm troubleshooting my imon LCD output – and I think I've found why it's not working... It's supposed to be sending a setup code of 21 09 0200 0001 0008 – but according to usbmon, it's actually sending 21 09 0200 0001 0008 |
| [05:36:26] | RyeBrye: | but what's confusing is that the code looks correct to me – the setup code is defined: unsigned char setup_packet[8] = { 0x21, 0x09, 0x02, 0x00, 0x00, 0x01, 0x00, 0x08 }; |
| [05:36:55] | hachi: | that all looks the same to me |
| [05:37:10] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, the key is the 0001 and 0008 are being transposed |
| [05:37:15] | RyeBrye: | so it's sending oh |
| [05:37:15] | RyeBrye: | wait |
| [05:37:18] | RyeBrye: | that IS the same :) |
| [05:37:21] | hachi: | yes |
| [05:37:32] | RyeBrye: | what it's actualyl sending is: 21 09 0002 0100 0800 |
| [05:37:40] | RyeBrye: | sorry... copied wrong lien :) |
| [05:39:03] | RyeBrye: | I have no idea why the 0x100 and 0x0800 are not being spit out as they are defined in the code... |
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| [05:50:12] | solyton: | hi |
| [05:50:19] | hachi: | okay, mythtv-setup is now asserting every time I try to scan channels |
| [05:50:34] | solyton: | is this a good buy? hauppage hd-pvr 1212 ?? |
| [05:51:30] | solyton: | hello? |
| [05:51:54] | HaSH: | i hear they are good solyton |
| [05:51:56] | HaSH: | but |
| [05:52:04] | HaSH: | on linux..they are still in testing.... |
| [05:52:35] | solyton: | :( |
| [05:52:41] | solyton: | oh well... |
| [05:52:47] | HaSH: | i think they are still usable though |
| [05:52:55] | HaSH: | i want to get one myself |
| [05:53:12] | ** solyton goes back to the maddening hunt for a compatible capture card ** | |
| [05:53:30] | HaSH: | what u looking for? |
| [05:54:05] | solyton: | anything that works outta da box that's available in newegg |
| [05:54:34] | solyton: | I think one of those QAM/ATSC |
| [05:55:20] | solyton: | I think tihs category is the catch-all ATSC / ClearQAM / NTSC1_118 (41) |
| [05:55:55] | solyton: | NTSC refers to analog right? |
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| [06:00:07] | solyton: | hello? |
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| [06:00:36] | solyton: | I guess everyone is asleep by now |
| [06:01:27] | solyton: | prolly annoying the wife with loudy snorings |
| [06:02:19] | ** orly_owl types in his sleep. ** | |
| [06:03:50] | hachi: | okay, I badly need a better antenna |
| [06:03:55] | hachi: | that's what's wrong with my system |
| [06:07:52] | RyeBrye: | solyton -hdhomerun |
| [06:08:01] | RyeBrye: | ATSC / ClearQAM |
| [06:08:09] | RyeBrye: | $169 I think |
| [06:08:26] | RyeBrye: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815327005 |
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| [06:34:18] | solyton: | RyeBrye: thanks looking now |
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| [06:52:43] | hachi: | I'm getting errors from my xserver, "X Error: BadMatch"... |
| [06:52:56] | hachi: | which looks like an error that could mean any of a billion things |
| [06:53:03] | hachi: | anyone have a clue how to debug? |
| [06:53:12] | hachi: | it only happens with mythtv-frontend |
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| [06:59:30] | hachi: | switching between openchrome and via drivers hasn't changed it |
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| [07:08:38] | tmiw_: | hmm, a 5–900mhz splitter should be okay, right |
| [07:08:39] | tmiw_: | *? |
| [07:08:50] | ** tmiw_ is eliminating possible causes of his mythtv issues ** | |
| [07:09:29] | mchou: | tmiw_: what card? |
| [07:09:37] | tmiw_: | mchou: pinnacle 800i |
| [07:09:52] | mchou: | ohh. bought from woot? |
| [07:09:55] | tmiw_: | yep |
| [07:10:13] | mchou: | tmiw_: I have some from the same day, all working :) |
| [07:10:32] | mchou: | tmiw_: so tell me exactly what's is the issue |
| [07:10:33] | tmiw_: | mchou: you doing OTA, or cable? |
| [07:10:40] | mchou: | clearqam |
| [07:10:57] | tmiw_: | mchou: I'm on TWC (QAM-256), and the reception seems _really_ bad |
| [07:11:14] | tmiw_: | mchou: on analog, I get a signal for a second then it fades to static |
| [07:11:15] | mchou: | tmiw_: that card has the best tuner on the market right now |
| [07:11:29] | mchou: | tmiw_: oh.... |
| [07:11:44] | mchou: | tmiw_: you buy more than 1 card from woot? |
| [07:11:53] | tmiw_: | unfortunately, no :( |
| [07:12:03] | tmiw_: | but I can possibly live without analog |
| [07:12:07] | mchou: | you have a set top box? |
| [07:12:10] | tmiw_: | yep |
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| [07:12:18] | mchou: | what model is stb? |
| [07:12:31] | tmiw_: | scientific atlantic something |
| [07:12:34] | tmiw_: | it's a dvr |
| [07:12:41] | mchou: | tmiw_: the stb diag screens will tell you sig strength |
| [07:12:56] | ** tmiw_ looks up how to get to those ** | |
| [07:13:02] | mchou: | tmiw_: you can use that as a sanity check |
| [07:13:08] | JBT-iMDb: | voting is on tuesday; what party should i vote for? green/ndp/liberal/convervative/blocquebecois |
| [07:13:27] | mchou: | tmiw_: but my guess is you may have gotten a bum card |
| [07:13:34] | laga_: | think for yourself? |
| [07:15:36] | tmiw_: | mchou: power level 0dBmB SNR 36 dB |
| [07:16:20] | mchou: | tmiw_: 36dB snr is pretty good |
| [07:16:45] | tmiw_: | *dBmV |
| [07:16:46] | mchou: | but I dont know what power lever 0dBmV means. |
| [07:16:54] | tmiw_: | hm, it's 5 now |
| [07:17:04] | mchou: | I mean I dont know if that's 'real' |
| [07:17:25] | tmiw_: | hmmm |
| [07:17:31] | mchou: | tmiw_: you can recieve HD channels on your STB, right? |
| [07:18:15] | tmiw_: | probably, but I don't have an HDTV to test |
| [07:18:29] | mchou: | you dont need HDTV to test |
| [07:18:49] | mchou: | just connect svideo from stb to tv set |
| [07:19:16] | mchou: | and tune to a channel on the STB that's know to carry HD |
| [07:19:24] | mchou: | like PBS |
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| [07:21:18] | mchou: | tmiw_: as long as you recieve something on the STB chances are your cable signal is adequate |
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| [07:22:34] | tmiw_: | hmm |
| [07:23:09] | tmiw_: | "To receive this channel, call Customer Care" |
| [07:23:15] | tmiw_: | tuned to ESPNHD |
| [07:23:17] | mchou: | PBS? |
| [07:23:29] | mchou: | no, you wont get ESPNHD lol |
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| [07:23:54] | mchou: | not unless you paid to get that package |
| [07:23:55] | tmiw_: | same message if I tune to one of the network HD channels |
| [07:24:06] | tmiw_: | PBS |
| [07:24:14] | mchou: | tmiw_: where you live? |
| [07:24:19] | tmiw_: | mchou: san diego |
| [07:24:31] | mchou: | tmiw_: boycott TWC |
| [07:24:45] | tmiw_: | mchou: but if it was a matter of calling them and adding HD, I wouldn't be able to get anything at all on the atsc side of the card |
| [07:25:02] | tmiw_: | i think it's a limit of the STB I have, not necessarily twc |
| [07:25:17] | mchou: | tmiw_: no, cableco must carry network channels in the clear |
| [07:25:40] | mchou: | I mean as far as your ATSC/qam is concerned |
| [07:25:46] | tmiw_: | yeah |
| [07:26:10] | mchou: | tmiw_: no, TWC is also not supposed to turn off HD on the stb for local channels |
| [07:26:49] | mchou: | cause that's what it's for. I mean it an expensive digital to analog converter |
| [07:26:54] | tmiw_: | I mean, the reception problems I'm having seem to manifest as choppy sound and blocky picture |
| [07:26:55] | tmiw_: | but yeah |
| [07:26:56] | tmiw_: | hmm |
| [07:27:25] | mchou: | so on the 800i, you using NTSC or QAM now? |
| [07:27:30] | tmiw_: | QAM atm |
| [07:27:34] | tmiw_: | NTSC doesn't really work period |
| [07:27:40] | mchou: | but you get picture? |
| [07:27:43] | tmiw_: | yes |
| [07:27:48] | tmiw_: | it's just...not good |
| [07:28:13] | tmiw_: | let me see if I can screenshot an example |
| [07:28:24] | mchou: | if it's choopy I'd investigate signal strength, minimize splitters in your house |
| [07:29:05] | mchou: | if to can take the computer straight to the demark line of your house and test |
| [07:29:21] | hachi: | hiding channels, because I never want to care about them.... simply involves deleting the channel, yes? |
| [07:29:28] | mchou: | or buy a cable drop amp |
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| [07:29:52] | tmiw_: | mchou: http://voldemort.lifeafterking.org/~mooneer/mythtv_results.png |
| [07:30:07] | mchou: | hachi: there is a 'visible' flag in the channels table |
| [07:30:09] | tmiw_: | with similar results to the sound |
| [07:30:14] | hachi: | oh |
| [07:30:17] | tmiw_: | *for the sound |
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| [07:30:50] | mchou: | tmiw_: I think if you get a pic the card is good |
| [07:31:31] | mchou: | you either have signal problems or you dont have enough CPU jusice for playback |
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| [07:31:39] | mchou: | juice* |
| [07:32:13] | mchou: | tmiw_: what are you using to playback the video? |
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| [07:32:40] | tmiw__: | (sorry, switched to wifi) |
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| [07:33:06] | tmiw: | mchou: VLC on osx |
| [07:33:29] | mchou: | yeah, but what's the procs? |
| [07:33:32] | tmiw_: | the box itself doesn't have any frontends other than mythweb |
| [07:33:47] | tmiw_: | mythtv box = pentium D 2.8ghz |
| [07:33:58] | mchou: | what? |
| [07:34:18] | tmiw_: | playback machine = macbook pro core 2 duo 2.16ghz |
| [07:34:24] | mchou: | lol |
| [07:34:32] | mchou: | forget it man |
| [07:34:40] | mchou: | it's not a signal problem |
| [07:34:52] | mchou: | you notebook doesnt have enough juice |
| [07:35:02] | mchou: | for playback |
| [07:35:24] | tmiw_: | let's try something |
| [07:35:30] | ** tmiw_ tells it to transcode to 480i ** | |
| [07:35:32] | mchou: | tmiw_: install mplayer on the BE box and check it out |
| [07:36:14] | mchou: | tmiw_: bet mplayer will work great on the BE box for sanity check |
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| [07:36:43] | tmiw_: | hold |
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| [07:43:42] | tmiw_: | mchou: hmm. it might be a little better |
| [07:44:00] | tmiw_: | at least the blocks blend in a bit more |
| [07:44:06] | tmiw_: | as opposed to being random colors |
| [07:44:14] | tmiw_: | with mplayer on the BE machine, I mean |
| [07:44:17] | mchou: | man, stop using transcode for sanity check |
| [07:44:24] | mchou: | oh, nm |
| [07:44:24] | tmiw_: | no, i played the original file |
| [07:44:44] | mchou: | you shouldnt be getting blocks at all |
| [07:45:21] | mchou: | tmiw_: I dont now what to tell you man |
| [07:45:25] | tmiw_: | yeah... |
| [07:45:34] | mchou: | NTSC should also work on the card |
| [07:45:51] | tmiw_: | yeah, not sure why it's only pulling signal for a second on NTSC |
| [07:46:01] | mchou: | I mean ntsc picture quality is terrible on the card, but it should work |
| [07:47:54] | tmiw_: | I mean, it doesn't look like the splitter's at fault |
| [07:48:09] | tmiw_: | next step'll probably be drivers |
| [07:48:14] | tmiw_: | but I'm already using 2.6.27 |
| [07:48:33] | tmiw_: | I knew I should have bought two cards |
| [07:48:34] | tmiw_: | haha |
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| [07:56:07] | tmiw_: | (also transcoding made the mpg file twice as big :D) |
| [07:59:38] | hachi: | storage groups are confusing me... docs docs docs |
| [07:59:40] | ** hachi goes searching ** | |
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| [08:28:49] | justinh: | what can be so confuzzling about storage groups? |
| [08:29:08] | justinh: | they're just directories you can use to store recordings (right now, eventually they'll be used for more) |
| [08:29:25] | fryfrog: | what, like the bodies of dead hookers? |
| [08:29:41] | hachi: | I want to make a job that moves recordings from one storage group to another |
| [08:29:47] | justinh: | why? |
| [08:29:55] | fryfrog: | do you even need a job? |
| [08:30:06] | fryfrog: | can't you just mv the file and the be will see it? |
| [08:30:06] | hachi: | I have a huge amount of storage on my master backend |
| [08:30:36] | hachi: | and I want to have my slave backends record to local disk, but then move it to the master |
| [08:30:44] | justinh: | sounds daft to me |
| [08:30:57] | hachi: | why? |
| [08:31:39] | justinh: | because it'd be just as easy to export the master backend store over nfs & use that on the slave backends |
| [08:31:42] | fryfrog: | why not just record to the network storage? |
| [08:31:51] | fryfrog: | yah, exactly |
| [08:31:52] | hachi: | sure, but then network latency can harm the recording |
| [08:32:00] | fryfrog: | no reason to record to disk, then move |
| [08:32:09] | fryfrog: | hachi: we are talking about SD being like... half a meg a second |
| [08:32:11] | hachi: | except the reason I just said |
| [08:32:16] | fryfrog: | and HD only be 2.5mb/sec |
| [08:32:23] | fryfrog: | if your network can't handle that... |
| [08:32:25] | justinh: | even HD.. a 100mit network shouldn't have any issues |
| [08:32:28] | wagnerrp: | that seems exceedingly low |
| [08:32:42] | justinh: | HDTV < 20Mbit/sec |
| [08:32:44] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre talking MBps, not mbps |
| [08:32:54] | fryfrog: | MB being megabytes? |
| [08:33:03] | wagnerrp: | bytes vs. bits |
| [08:33:04] | hachi: | fryfrog: yes, but when a commercial flag/transcode job is running, the IO on these disks is getting high |
| [08:33:07] | fryfrog: | yah yah |
| [08:33:12] | wagnerrp: | small 'b' is always bits |
| [08:33:18] | fryfrog: | whatevs :p |
| [08:33:34] | fryfrog: | do you do comm flagging on the slaves or the master? |
| [08:33:44] | hachi: | my master backend is actually hitting a load avg of 10 or so, and things are slowing down while the disks work |
| [08:33:57] | fryfrog: | just make sure the backends are nice'd up and that mythcommflag is niced down |
| [08:34:00] | justinh: | hell, I found out the other day that my HDDs didn't even have DMA enabled (thanks to hdparm.conf) & not even 7 recordings at once gave it any problems |
| [08:34:02] | fryfrog: | holey... |
| [08:34:04] | fryfrog: | thats odd |
| [08:34:06] | wagnerrp: | load averages of 10 are typically bad |
| [08:34:17] | fryfrog: | yeah, something else is wonkey |
| [08:34:21] | hachi: | I've had mail servers hit a load avg of 200–300 |
| [08:34:25] | wagnerrp: | it means youre running far more than your system can acually handle |
| [08:34:26] | fryfrog: | unless you got 10 cpus then it'd be kind of okay :) |
| [08:34:29] | hachi: | it doesn't really mean anything is bad |
| [08:34:38] | fryfrog: | yah, it really does |
| [08:34:40] | hachi: | it just means lots of things are running |
| [08:34:45] | wagnerrp: | it means you have 10 processes waiting on something |
| [08:34:48] | hachi: | yes |
| [08:35:20] | hachi: | I do have 4 processors in the master |
| [08:35:27] | hachi: | the master does a lot of things for me |
| [08:35:32] | fryfrog: | ah, well 10 on 4 isn't so horrible. |
| [08:35:42] | hachi: | the problem is not CPU time |
| [08:35:42] | fryfrog: | so do you run 4 mythcommflags at once? |
| [08:35:47] | hachi: | spindle time is hurting me |
| [08:35:51] | hachi: | no |
| [08:35:58] | hachi: | I run things other than mythtv though |
| [08:36:00] | fryfrog: | why are you disks so slow? |
| [08:36:14] | justinh: | wtf? |
| [08:36:30] | justinh: | maybe it's fragmentation hurting you |
| [08:36:46] | wagnerrp: | unless theyre horribly fragmented, you should have no trouble running 4 commflags at once off the disk |
| [08:36:58] | hachi: | extfs tends to stay degfragmented as long as 90% usage or less is what you sit at |
| [08:37:00] | wagnerrp: | those are going to be far more cpu intensive than disk intensive |
| [08:37:05] | justinh: | it's easy for a mythtv system to get horribly fragmented |
| [08:37:31] | hachi: | 2.2TB array, 500GB free |
| [08:37:34] | hachi: | it's not fragmented |
| [08:37:48] | justinh: | yeah yeah |
| [08:37:50] | justinh: | it will be |
| [08:38:12] | hachi: | so you want me to run defrag on it? I could load windows server 2003 on there so I can run it or something |
| [08:38:25] | hachi: | oh wait ;) |
| [08:38:32] | wagnerrp: | myth fragments file systems, torrents fragment file systems |
| [08:38:38] | justinh: | as if windows could defrag a linux filesystem |
| [08:38:53] | wagnerrp: | when you have loads such as that, the only way to keep them defragmented is to actively run a program to do it |
| [08:39:04] | hachi: | there's no tool to defrag linux though |
| [08:39:11] | hachi: | I could copy all the files off and back on again |
| [08:39:17] | hachi: | but that would mean buying another set of disks |
| [08:39:18] | justinh: | hachi: there is if you use xfs |
| [08:39:20] | wagnerrp: | that could be so simple as copying the file fragmented file off and back on |
| [08:39:47] | fryfrog: | xfs has something to reduce extants |
| [08:39:52] | hachi: | and welcome to the reason why I want to roughly 'archive' to my big array |
| [08:39:54] | justinh: | before I found I needed to defrag, I had over 99% fragmentation |
| [08:39:56] | wagnerrp: | you can use e2defrag, but you have to unmount the disk |
| [08:39:58] | hachi: | the part where you told me I was daft |
| [08:40:35] | fryfrog: | hachi: seems like maybe your setup could use a bit of tuning or something, though you could work around it too |
| [08:40:45] | wagnerrp: | ah, no. that doesnt work with ext3, only 2 |
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| [08:41:05] | justinh: | fryfrog: do you have to unmount to change the extents? And will it bork existing data? |
| [08:41:08] | fryfrog: | i'm not sure i'd use ext3 on a 2tb array, might try xfs. |
| [08:41:21] | fryfrog: | justinh: er, maybe i'm using the wrong term. |
| [08:41:29] | fryfrog: | justinh: i just mean xfs_fsr. |
| [08:41:39] | justinh: | I know the thing you mean but can't remember what the term is either |
| [08:41:46] | fryfrog: | it says "extents before: X, extents after: Y" |
| [08:41:53] | fryfrog: | (i just fired it up to see) |
| [08:42:19] | fryfrog: | recordings go to disk fairly slowly, so on an active file system it can end up spread out quite a bit. |
| [08:42:28] | fryfrog: | i actually had some big problems playing back really fragmented stuff. |
| [08:42:30] | justinh: | fryfrog: xfs_fsr is the defrag thing isn't it? |
| [08:42:37] | fryfrog: | xfs_fsr occasionally fixes it right up |
| [08:42:40] | fryfrog: | justinh: yup yup |
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| [08:43:24] | justinh: | I heard there was something you could change like inode size or something where it'll reserve bigger sizes & so result in less frags in theory |
| [08:43:55] | fryfrog: | i've not run accross that |
| [08:44:19] | justinh: | ahh the allocsize when you mount it. that sounds destructive |
| [08:44:19] | wagnerrp: | i remember something like that in XFS (its listed on the wiki), but not for ext3 |
| [08:45:23] | wagnerrp: | just as its writing, it pre-allocates a large amount of sequential disk space, assuming that file is actually going to grow that large |
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| [08:45:42] | wagnerrp: | low file fragmentation, high free space fragmentation |
| [08:46:02] | justinh: | yeah.. but what I'd like to know is whether I can just umount it, change the allocsize parameter & remount happily |
| [08:46:21] | justinh: | probably can since it's only about writes |
| [08:46:30] | fryfrog: | from wagnerrp's description of it, it doesn't sound like it'd be a big deal |
| [08:46:34] | fryfrog: | exactly |
| [08:46:44] | wagnerrp: | it should be something you could do on a live file system |
| [08:46:55] | fryfrog: | i doubt it re-does anything, just does future writes differently. |
| [08:47:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
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| [08:47:21] | justinh: | I know I don't care much about my recordings but it'd be a bitch to lose em all :) |
| [08:47:43] | fryfrog: | use loop |
| [08:47:54] | fryfrog: | make a temp loop device, throw xfs on it, see what happens. |
| [08:48:15] | wagnerrp: | give SGI a call |
| [08:48:19] | justinh: | I know – I'll do it on my videos partition :) |
| [08:48:27] | justinh: | I really don't give a rat's ass about them |
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| [08:48:48] | wagnerrp: | well.. they did write the file system |
| [08:49:46] | justinh: | I meant that I really don't give a rat's ass about my videos |
| [08:50:00] | justinh: | me != file squirrel |
| [08:51:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i hardly delete anything |
| [08:51:38] | wagnerrp: | ive found i very often end up looking for something about 6 months after i deleted it |
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| [08:52:18] | justinh: | I still need to watch 1.5 series from about a year ago |
| [08:52:23] | justinh: | I just can't be arsed |
| [08:52:40] | justinh: | spooks & The State Within |
| [08:52:52] | justinh: | and Planet Earth |
| [08:52:55] | wagnerrp: | oh, ive got about a TB of material on my systems ive not yet gotten around to watching |
| [08:53:01] | justinh: | fuck it. exterminate! |
| [08:53:27] | wagnerrp: | but it gives me a reason to... buy more hard drives! |
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| [08:54:53] | laga_: | throwing out old hardware breaks my heart |
| [08:55:07] | justinh: | I'm considering snapping up a TB disk or two but my backend doesn't have sata |
| [08:55:15] | wagnerrp: | now i will throw out old hardware |
| [08:55:19] | laga_: | get a SATA card? |
| [08:55:20] | justinh: | laga_: you talk to clev too often |
| [08:55:29] | justinh: | ;) |
| [08:55:36] | laga_: | justinh: well, it's not in use anymore ;) |
| [08:55:40] | wagnerrp: | usually any time theres a recycling effort nearby, ill make a dump |
| [08:55:48] | justinh: | straight PCI sata controllers are hard to find round here |
| [08:55:50] | fryfrog: | i have a spare $10 one that'd probably cost more in post to mail to you than to buy one yourself :) |
| [08:55:59] | fryfrog: | really? |
| [08:56:01] | justinh: | really |
| [08:56:07] | fryfrog: | thats... weird |
| [08:56:11] | laga_: | move to a civilized country |
| [08:56:12] | fryfrog: | are they all pci-e now? |
| [08:56:16] | justinh: | I'll have to mail order one |
| [08:56:18] | wagnerrp: | or raid |
| [08:56:21] | laga_: | ah, mail order |
| [08:56:25] | justinh: | and they cost stupid money, not $10 |
| [08:56:27] | laga_: | i mail order almost everything |
| [08:56:41] | fryfrog: | i got a pci-e firewire card the other day |
| [08:56:50] | fryfrog: | i was like "yay, my first pci-e device that isn't a video card!" |
| [08:57:06] | fryfrog: | pop it in... gee, what is on it but... a pci-e -> pci bridge and a pci based firewire card :p |
| [08:57:07] | justinh: | well, ebuyer will deliver to my work now I've used them once |
| [08:57:17] | wagnerrp: | ive got a tuner and network pcie card |
| [08:57:29] | justinh: | fryfrog: I bought a real sata controller for work but it's pci-e |
| [08:57:38] | wagnerrp: | oh, and the raid controller |
| [08:57:46] | justinh: | one of the only ones at the time known to support port multipliers |
| [08:58:11] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: are they *real* pci-e ? no pci bridge on em? |
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| [08:58:33] | fryfrog: | i gues "native" is better than "real" |
| [08:59:05] | justinh: | depends on the pci bridge – YMMV |
| [08:59:35] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: as far as i know, they are all real cards |
| [08:59:44] | fryfrog: | mean, "native" is a better word than real |
| [08:59:48] | justinh: | £11 exc delivery. 2 ports |
| [08:59:56] | fryfrog: | so lspci doesn't turn up a bunch of new pci-bridge devices? :) |
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| [09:01:37] | justinh: | jesus. my local place wants £20 for a dual port card |
| [09:01:45] | justinh: | might ebay it |
| [09:01:50] | fryfrog: | man, that is like $100 USD :p |
| [09:02:10] | justinh: | I figure there'll be no 'works badly' it'll either work or it won't |
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| [09:02:34] | wagnerrp: | the raid and tuner cards are both native cards, the nic is currently off |
| [09:02:54] | fryfrog: | you can... turn it off? |
| [09:03:11] | wagnerrp: | rather, the machine it is plugged in to is off |
| [09:03:17] | fryfrog: | oh, ha gotcha |
| [09:03:47] | justinh: | arghhh damn you stinky foreign sellers with uk ebay accounts!!!!!!!! |
| [09:04:00] | Dagmar: | Hey don't knock it |
| [09:04:11] | Dagmar: | Some of those guys are the reason you can get a miniPCI wireless card super cheap |
| [09:06:08] | justinh: | question on one page... "what chipset does this card use?" A: "A SATA CHIPSET" |
| [09:06:22] | justinh: | effing morons |
| [09:09:08] | justinh: | dealextreme it is then |
| [09:10:22] | justinh: | 4 port silicon image controller card. $20 delivered |
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| [09:12:47] | justinh: | via chipset controllers were half the price but. |
| [09:12:49] | justinh: | ;) |
| [09:13:11] | directhex: | i once threw a silicon image pata controller in the sink from all the trouble it caused me |
| [09:13:15] | fryfrog: | fuck via :p |
| [09:13:32] | fryfrog: | i'm using sata_sil in my system now, works for me. |
| [09:14:17] | justinh: | yeah well, sil may have redeemed themselves. it's hard to avoid them anyway |
| [09:14:56] | justinh: | besides, they'd have to go a long way to get a reputation as bad as Via |
| [09:19:26] | directhex: | via's bad rep relates to pci flooding issues in their antique southbridges. that applies to discrete sata chips? |
| [09:21:46] | justinh: | I thought Via were just shit end of |
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| [09:24:49] | tmiw_: | i really wonder if maybe it's a RAM/CPU/disk issue on the backend |
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| [09:48:51] | justinh: | I really wonder if you problems are down to 'only' having 1GB ram too but without knowing even the short side of the story... :P |
| [09:49:43] | justinh: | WTF? 0..9 moves to Nx percent in list? that's not friendly |
| [09:50:29] | justinh: | friendly thing to have but it could be worded better IMHO – and why's it only in that list view? |
| [09:52:47] | tmiw_: | justinh: I'm still leaning towards signal issues (clearqam on hd channels) |
| [09:53:02] | tmiw_: | but it doesn't hurt to think of other options |
| [09:53:26] | tmiw_: | i should sleep, though. 3am and work in a few hours :/ |
| [09:53:33] | justinh: | choppy sound / blocky picture.. signal quality. end of story |
| [09:54:23] | tmiw_: | yeah |
| [09:54:35] | tmiw_: | I quite possibly bought myself a crappy splitter |
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| [09:55:57] | justinh: | well, antenna signals can be split but once without amplification, generally speaking |
| [09:56:27] | justinh: | my signal level is top of the scale, yet if I split it more than once it degrades to the point where the last tuner can't use it |
| [09:56:54] | tmiw_: | i guess the weird thing is that i have a STB too, and that seems to work fine on the splitter |
| [09:57:05] | tmiw_: | maybe it has an amp built-in |
| [09:57:07] | justinh: | nothing weird about that |
| [09:57:20] | justinh: | STB tuners are well known to be more sensitive / resilient |
| [09:57:37] | justinh: | and inside a PC is the last last you want to put sensitive RF devices ;) |
| [09:58:03] | justinh: | try without the splitter |
| [09:58:25] | justinh: | if that cures the problem or improves it significantly it's time to get a distribution amplifier |
| [09:58:38] | justinh: | distribution amp / active splitter |
| [09:59:11] | tmiw_: | yeah |
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| [10:01:20] | justinh: | oh noes. zoneminder doesn't work anymore in mythplugin's |
| [10:01:25] | justinh: | mythplugin's what? |
| [10:03:52] | tmiw_: | bbl |
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| [12:05:33] | justinh: | hrm. old flatmate from hell (and I really do mean hell) has shown up & got in touch. friendliest way to say fuck off is... ? |
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| [12:08:21] | pat_: | door is to your left |
| [12:08:28] | pat_: | don't slam it on your way out |
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| [12:09:53] | justinh: | he had a key. I changed the lock |
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| [12:12:00] | justinh: | bugger. forgot another 2 birthdays, and almost forgot another. old age sucks |
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| [12:24:39] | quicksilver: | justinh: I must admit, that's the only tangible benefit of a facebook habit. |
| [12:24:45] | quicksilver: | justinh: it always reminds you of upcoming birthdays. |
| [12:25:23] | justinh: | assuming the people you know have the account set to show it |
| [12:26:04] | justinh: | ages ago there was talk about doing a mythtv plugin to work with google calendar. that's not a bad idea |
| [12:26:59] | quicksilver: | really you'd want it to display on the main menu screen |
| [12:27:05] | quicksilver: | or some other screen you use often |
| [12:27:28] | justinh: | yeah but also have a management interface thingy |
| [12:27:40] | justinh: | there's a general info panel type thing coming apparently |
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| [12:28:04] | justinh: | though I guess the google calendar thing prolly has an rss feed for your agenda |
| [12:28:38] | justinh: | either that or they have an API fer it |
| [12:29:32] | justinh: | come to think about it.. maybe it wouldn't need a bit to add stuff from mythtv itself |
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| [12:36:40] | justinh: | I wonder how many 2.0 points we could score by having a little applet post stuff to 'the book'. $user is watching $show |
| [12:39:21] | justinh: | totally pointless of course, but all the bollocks surrounding boxee is 2.0 related |
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| [12:52:00] | jblack: | How about a way to hide shows that haven't been transcoded yet, or at least display which shows have been transcoded in the menu? |
| [12:53:32] | jblack: | Ohh, and a transcode that takes out black bands. |
| [12:56:09] | justinh: | black bands? |
| [12:56:26] | justinh: | you mean broadcasters doing the right thing & preserving the aspect ratio of the source material? |
| [12:58:08] | justinh: | I can't see many people being swayed by either of the 1st 2 features |
| [12:58:37] | justinh: | get MOARDISK |
| [13:01:41] | justinh: | anyway why would it matter if a show had been transcoded or not before you watch it? |
| [13:01:56] | justinh: | other than the plain stupid case of downsampling HD or something |
| [13:02:24] | quicksilver: | well presumably by 'taking out' the black bands you get a video file which has the 'actual' aspect ratio of the recording |
| [13:02:32] | quicksilver: | that sounds like a reasonable feature request, no? |
| [13:02:56] | justinh: | sounds like something easily achievable by somebody capable of making user jobs already |
| [13:03:19] | justinh: | and it won't increase the picture quality any |
| [13:03:30] | justinh: | if anything it'll only decrease it. i.e. there's no effing point |
| [13:04:27] | quicksilver: | if it decreaseed the quality, that would certainly be annoying. |
| [13:04:41] | quicksilver: | but the idea of getting the aspect ratio right would be to enable to the player to display it correctly :) |
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| [13:05:19] | justinh: | anything involving cropping involves re-encoding |
| [13:05:56] | justinh: | as for getting the aspect ratio right... mythtv plays 4:3 content correctly, as it does 16:9 |
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| [13:13:30] | justinh: | course there are still retarded broadcasters who show 16:9 shows letterboxed into 4:3. those are on the decrease though |
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| [13:20:40] | directhex: | pillarboxed? |
| [13:21:12] | directhex: | oh, wait, you did mean letterboxed. i misread |
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| [13:31:08] | kleetus: | anyone willing to help with a ffmpeg question, transcoding to quicktime x.264 format from mpeg2, source being OTA (VSB) HD content? |
| [13:32:34] | justinh: | quicktime? what does that have to do with h.264 ? |
| [13:33:15] | kleetus: | justdave: yeah i should have said just x.264 content compatible with my iphone/ quicktime player on Mac OS X |
| [13:33:22] | directhex: | justinh, well. mp4 container is pretty much quicktime container |
| [13:33:35] | justinh: | see myth2ipod |
| [13:33:36] | directhex: | yay for dodgy back-room deals |
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| [13:34:01] | justinh: | or any of the wiki pages which describe user jobs to export to iPoo |
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| [13:35:06] | kleetus: | justinh: i have been trying to transcoding using myth-for-iphone, but ffmpeg gives me output files that have audio way ahead of video..then sometimes audio that is fine, then sometimes audio that all jacked up |
| [13:35:55] | kleetus: | justinh: the input files are almost the same between the files |
| [13:36:29] | justinh: | wow. is English your first language? |
| [13:36:50] | kleetus: | justinh: yeah sorry, I need to proof read, sorry about that |
| [13:37:37] | justinh: | never had any a/v sync issues using ffmpeg |
| [13:38:00] | kleetus: | justinh: do you transcode from mpeg2 OTA streams? |
| [13:38:08] | justinh: | nope |
| [13:38:19] | justinh: | uk DVB-T mpeg2 |
| [13:38:24] | kleetus: | justinh: ok thanks for your attention |
| [13:38:28] | justinh: | it's not rocket science |
| [13:38:41] | kleetus: | justinh: apparently it is for me :) |
| [13:38:43] | justinh: | the hardest thing is getting hold of an ffmpeg which hasn't been crippled |
| [13:39:13] | justinh: | e.g. with support for h.264 & aac |
| [13:39:40] | justinh: | though last time I made a video for an ipod it worked fine with xvid & mp3 audio |
| [13:39:40] | kleetus: | justinh: that makes sense |
| [13:40:27] | kleetus: | justinh: was that video streamed to the ipod or a file on the drive? |
| [13:40:41] | justinh: | never streamed |
| [13:40:52] | kleetus: | justinh: ok interesting |
| [13:41:18] | kleetus: | justinh: i am going to hit up Chris Carey, see if he dealt with this |
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| [13:42:19] | justinh: | argh who the hell is still editing wiki pages with shite like "I found this didn't work. do this instead". |
| [13:42:26] | Neeesat2: | hello |
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| [13:42:50] | Neeesat2: | I get segfault when starting mythfrontend and exits |
| [13:42:53] | ** justinh pisses on the wiki ** | |
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| [13:43:01] | Neeesat2: | mythbackend is working ok |
| [13:43:59] | Neeesat2: | I use the release-0-21-fixes version 18685 |
| [13:44:06] | Neeesat2: | any idea? |
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| [13:49:10] | Neeesat2: | If I use latest development version works |
| [13:49:41] | Neeesat2: | but not the release. I have drop my database and rebuild it from scratch but no luck |
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| [13:53:58] | Neeesat2: | in my syslog I get error 4 in libqt-mt.so.3.3.8 |
| [13:55:39] | directhex: | is 3.3.8 the one that just doesn't work properly? i forget |
| [13:56:57] | Neeesat2: | what can I do to fix that? |
| [13:58:14] | directhex: | depends on your distro. and you might have the required patches. |
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| [13:59:43] | Neeesat2: | I use debian |
| [14:00:28] | directhex: | might not even be that problem |
| [14:00:51] | Neeesat2: | If I use development version works |
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| [14:04:15] | Neeesat2: | with the development version mythtv doesn't scan movies directories anymore |
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| [14:09:48] | directhex: | if you mean trunk, trunk doesn't even use qt3 |
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| [15:28:34] | corrr: | hi...i'm looking for some insight on the "reschedule higher priorities" option |
| [15:29:24] | corrr: | i currently have the option _disabled_, which I interprit to mean if a show has high priority, it always records the first showing and doesn't reschedule to a later showing to resolve conflicts...am I reading that right? |
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| [15:30:53] | Anduin: | corrr: You need to look at the total priority (where show is just one part) but mostly |
| [15:31:25] | corrr: | hmm yea this show has highest priority |
| [15:31:46] | corrr: | but it still tries to reschedule it to a later showing when there is conflicts...I can't explain that |
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| [15:37:44] | Anduin: | corrr: mythbackend --printsched may be able to explain it |
| [15:38:24] | corrr: | thanks...let me take a look |
| [15:41:00] | corrr: | hmm...is there an easy key for that? :) |
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| [15:42:46] | gbee: | Upcoming recordings screen shows pretty much the same information |
| [15:43:41] | Anduin: | It does, you just need to scroll to each entry, and sometimes monkey with it to get it to load current data. |
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| [15:45:06] | corrr: | well the show in question is this : Sopranos (K15) 2 TV2 17 22:05–22:55 1 1 1 C 1 2/0 |
| [15:45:22] | corrr: | the later showing : Sopranos (K15) 2 TV2 20 00:25–01:15 1 0 0 C E 2/0 |
| [15:46:21] | corrr: | so that looks right to me, but last week it took the later showing when a scheduling conflict showed up during the first showing (all other shows are lower priority) |
| [15:48:26] | Anduin: | corrr: Yeah I was going to say, that E is what you are looking for, if you have channel or input priorities they can change the final priority, a --printsched when the error happened would explain why, though I guess you know the show that bumped it, you could look at it and see if there are other priority points it may get |
| [15:49:27] | corrr: | ok, let me look at what bumped it...thx |
| [15:53:18] | corrr: | hm previously recorded says a show with +1 was recorded instead, but the show I wanted has +2.. it says "Channel Record +0 Later Showing" in the entry for what I wanted |
| [15:53:39] | corrr: | does that +0 reflect the final priority it saw for some reason? |
| [15:55:28] | gbee: | corrr: yes |
| [15:55:53] | gbee: | make sure you don't have two schedules active for the same show, one with a different priority |
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| [15:59:06] | corrr: | hmm puzzling... "Program Recording Priorities" only lists one rule for the show |
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| [16:02:12] | corrr: | now i look like the crazy guy who thinks his scheduler is messing with him :P |
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| [16:03:31] | Anduin: | I suspect all of us have blamed the scheduler at some point |
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| [16:09:12] | corrr: | hmm well i'll just tell it to record every showing |
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| [16:13:20] | corrr: | there are two languages here, so half the time the show listings are in one and half the time the other...really annoying |
| [16:13:27] | Anduin: | corrr: by default changing the recording type won't change the priority |
| [16:14:05] | Anduin: | (except for cases like single record) |
| [16:14:55] | corrr: | alright. well since it seems to be behaving nicely now, all I can do is keep an eye out when it tries to reschedule it for later in the future |
| [16:15:34] | corrr: | maybe if i catch it in the act it's easier to diagnose :) |
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| [16:18:30] | corrr: | then it won't look like i'm just a rambling lunatic |
| [16:19:09] | iamlindoro_: | Not to worry, we get plenty of that in here :) |
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| [16:19:25] | corrr: | hehe |
| [16:19:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work is a good example... ;-) ** | |
| [16:20:01] | iamlindoro_: | Including a certain person announcing his backend has crashed every five minutes and that it can't possibly be the hundreds of hacks he has applied to his system |
| [16:20:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ^^ that's not me! ;-) |
| [16:20:33] | iamlindoro_: | or the fact that the age of his systems can only be determined by thorough carbon dating |
| [16:20:38] | Anduin: | corrr: You will probably eventually find some priority setting you didn't even remember setting is the cause, often the case, if you enables Complex Prioritization (a really bad name) it could be even more exotic. |
| [16:20:43] | gbee: | could be me, only my hacks don't cause crashes :) |
| [16:21:10] | gbee: | well not the backend ones anyone, before someone contradicts me ;) |
| [16:21:24] | iamlindoro_: | haha |
| [16:22:19] | ** Anduin lets those innocent of committing broken code toss the first stone ** | |
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| [16:27:20] | ** gbee dies under a hail of rock ** | |
| [16:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | Hmm, I need to finally put my Q6600 into my second system... I've been too lazy to do it and it's just been sitting there |
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| [16:32:53] | corrr: | ok, well thanks again...hopefully i'm just crazy! pze |
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| [16:33:49] | iamlindoro_: | Also need to power down and put in my UPS, or I'm gonna regret it when the first big storm hits |
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| [16:49:45] | gnome42: | iamlindoro: Are you still interested in that replex sync? (I found an int overflow bug in multiplex.c) |
| [16:50:21] | iamlindoro_: | gnome42: sure, I'm interested |
| [16:50:31] | iamlindoro_: | Haven't looked at it much in the last week or two |
| [16:51:41] | gnome42: | http://pastebin.ca/1225999 that's the fix in multiplex.c |
| [16:52:11] | iamlindoro_: | gnome42: Awesome, thanks |
| [16:52:26] | iamlindoro_: | I will add it to the patch sometime this week |
| [16:52:34] | gnome42: | your high bit rate streams triggered a 32 bit overflow :) |
| [16:53:25] | iamlindoro_: | gnome42: hehe... I think mythtranscode is a big black box even to people who know myth in and out |
| [16:53:48] | iamlindoro_: | as it seems the one guy who was working on it up and disappears 18–24 months ago |
| [16:54:22] | jams: | iamlindoro- who was that? |
| [16:54:52] | gnome42: | yeah, I think it works well enough for the folks who know how to fix it :) |
| [16:55:10] | iamlindoro_: | jams: ghaushe |
| [16:55:29] | iamlindoro_: | gnome42: exactly-- and woe unto those of us for whom it doesn't :) |
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| [16:57:09] | jams: | oh yeah another transient |
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| [16:58:26] | iamlindoro_: | Not that he doesn't still have bugs assigned to him, but it seems he's been MIA for 2 years or so |
| [17:01:18] | iamlindoro_: | gnome42: Thanks very much for the patch/help |
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| [17:06:03] | gnome42: | iamlindoro: sure, np |
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| [17:19:04] | squish102: | how does DLNA fit in the mythtv roadmap? Looks like tv's are starting to support it and I was trying to find out more about what server is needed |
| [17:20:03] | squish102: | i guess mythtv would need to act like a "digital media server (DMS)" |
| [17:22:58] | squish102: | or maybe it is just another name for UPnP AV |
| [17:25:15] | directhex: | it is. |
| [17:25:27] | directhex: | so mythtv's been doing it for about a year |
| [17:25:35] | iamlindoro_: | indeed. It's like the "centrino" brand name |
| [17:25:53] | iamlindoro_: | a flashy title for a collection of standards |
| [17:26:00] | squish102: | cool, so new tv should be able to stream all recorded content |
| [17:26:12] | directhex: | assuming you record to mpeg2 |
| [17:26:21] | iamlindoro_: | Not necessarily, not all uPnP clients are as u as one would like |
| [17:26:21] | directhex: | and your client agrees to view mpeg2 |
| [17:27:12] | squish102: | ok, like my dsm-320 which "does" mpeg2 upnp |
| [17:27:32] | squish102: | totally sucks at it... |
| [17:28:49] | squish102: | do we have a compatibility page on wiki for this? or should i get a laptop setup and take it to store to test ;/ |
| [17:30:05] | directhex: | yeah, i think so |
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| [17:40:30] | oobe: | iamlindoro_, this is what i did with your script and i wrote a small howto to encourage people to read it let me know what you think |
| [17:40:32] | oobe: | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5910520 |
| [17:40:51] | iamlindoro_: | oobe: Yeah, saw that when you posted it the other day |
| [17:41:15] | iamlindoro_: | Glad it's working well for you |
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| [17:43:58] | oobe: | its heaps better now i know about that update you made |
| [17:44:18] | oobe: | i didnt relise cause they are both called 0.4 |
| [17:44:33] | oobe: | what changes are you planning |
| [17:44:58] | oobe: | i have it combined with imdbupdater so it does like an all in one with a single cmd |
| [17:45:09] | oobe: | thats what i think you might be planning |
| [17:45:33] | iamlindoro_: | oobe: I'm not really working on it at all right now (outside of making it continue to work). I have some other little myth patches I've been playing with that have taken more of my attention |
| [17:45:50] | oobe: | fair enough |
| [17:45:54] | oobe: | thanks again |
| [17:46:00] | iamlindoro_: | no problem, glad you like it, it's nice to hear |
| [17:46:01] | clev: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5793 |
| [17:46:04] | clev: | i wasnt crazy!!! |
| [17:46:20] | oobe: | cause before you made it i really wanted somthing like that |
| [17:46:58] | iamlindoro_: | oobe: Greyfoxx's new method will be Myth integrated and will work very very nicely, I think |
| [17:47:09] | oobe: | cool |
| [17:47:11] | iamlindoro_: | Will likely make my script moot |
| [17:47:20] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [17:47:26] | oobe: | that sounds very nice |
| [17:47:37] | iamlindoro_: | yes, and no scraping required as it uses TheTVDB's API |
| [17:47:51] | iamlindoro_: | will also download screenshots, etc. |
| [17:48:10] | oobe: | instead of making em |
| [17:48:15] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [17:48:48] | iamlindoro_: | Dunno if he's played with downloading the fanart, but that's actually pretty cool too (although would require some use in the theme) if a bit copyright-naughty |
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| [17:51:17] | oobe: | you mean like custom artwork fans have made |
| [17:52:00] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [17:53:25] | oobe: | i dont see why that would be a problem if they are uploading it personally to thetvdb then they want to share it |
| [17:53:54] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, but it utilizes copyrighted photos |
| [17:54:16] | oobe: | oh i see |
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| [18:08:46] | wagnerrp: | apparently the youtube plugin just got new use |
| [18:08:57] | wagnerrp: | youtube is adding legitimate, full length TV shows |
| [18:10:30] | justinh: | crunchy |
| [18:11:58] | justinh: | btw folks regarding the 'fan art' thing – it's widely considered that it's technically a breach of copyright (unless said art is entirely self-drawn. HA!) but – and this is the really grey part... the vast majority of media producers turn a blind eye to it |
| [18:12:01] | wagnerrp: | wpa may no longer be secure (at least to the dedicated hacker) |
| [18:12:20] | wagnerrp: | some security firm released a massively parallel cracker that runs on nvidia GPUs |
| [18:12:23] | justinh: | wagnerrp: heh. those damn russkis with their nvidia gpus |
| [18:12:24] | iamlindoro_: | With 138 years on his hard |
| [18:12:27] | iamlindoro_: | er hands |
| [18:12:45] | clev: | iamlindoro_: depends on the key sizes and essid |
| [18:12:51] | justinh: | using a GPU is reckoned to be 10,000 times faster .. so far unproven |
| [18:13:14] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: you sick a botnet on it, complete with graphics acceleration, that time gets cut dramatically |
| [18:13:25] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: That 138 years is WITH the new improvements |
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| [18:13:34] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [18:13:42] | justinh: | lol |
| [18:13:50] | wagnerrp: | nevermind then! |
| [18:13:56] | clev: | 138 computers, and you have a 1year job! |
| [18:14:04] | justinh: | still though, find a botnet of users who have suitable GPUs.. :D |
| [18:14:34] | clev: | the problem is that its still a long job, enless you get a botnet of 300+ systems, it will take some time |
| [18:14:35] | justinh: | damn you wagnerrp |
| [18:14:40] | iamlindoro_: | http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/10/12/1724230.shtml |
| [18:14:41] | justinh: | clev: or not |
| [18:14:42] | clev: | and regular changing of the keys will counter it |
| [18:15:00] | sphery: | wow... youtube adding full-length, legitimate TV shows... Will they be in youtube quality, too? HDTV > SDTV >>> YouTubeDTV ? :) |
| [18:15:02] | justinh: | that 138 years assumes all the keys are as long as they can be |
| [18:15:03] | iamlindoro_: | specifically, ""Brute Force Attack will take up to 128299838271 years" at 500,000 passwords a second. ElcomSoft is claiming a 20x improvement in speed, but that won't make a dent into an exponential-sized problem" |
| [18:15:42] | justinh: | then you're not discounting the people who use defaults, dictionary words.... |
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| [18:15:50] | clev: | ive done math for brute forcing a different custom system(open source) |
| [18:15:53] | justinh: | keys of less than 8 chars |
| [18:15:59] | clev: | it came out to somewhere arround 1000000000000000000000000000000000 years |
| [18:16:04] | iamlindoro_: | The password is "wang" |
| [18:16:28] | justinh: | that said, you can prolly GUESS a password for WPA2 faster |
| [18:16:32] | iamlindoro_: | ir, for mandatory length ASCIstuff, wang1234567890 |
| [18:16:39] | iamlindoro_: | er ASCII stuff |
| [18:16:58] | clev: | better to have variable lenght ascii and hash it |
| [18:17:01] | justinh: | there's a mandatory length? never realised that |
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| [18:17:23] | justinh: | clev: yeah but it depends whose wireless you want to crack innit ;) |
| [18:17:35] | justinh: | Joe Schmoe who lives down the road... |
| [18:17:40] | clev: | justinh: ive heard that wpa encryption depends on the essid name also |
| [18:17:47] | clev: | which makes rainbow tables useless |
| [18:17:57] | justinh: | yeah but that is usually broadcast for all to see |
| [18:18:01] | clev: | change the name of the network, and you need a whole new rainbow table |
| [18:18:16] | clev: | and generating that whole new table will cost time |
| [18:18:30] | justinh: | so? |
| [18:18:32] | clev: | which means the whole point of making the rainbow table is toast |
| [18:18:39] | justinh: | nobody ever said it was infallible |
| [18:18:50] | ** iamlindoro_ always enjoys people with ESSIDs of "linksys" ** | |
| [18:18:51] | justinh: | and nobody ever said it would ever be easy |
| [18:18:57] | clev: | the table is meant to speed up hacking it, but if the table only works on that 1 network, its less usefull |
| [18:19:08] | clev: | iamlindoro_: yeah it will only work good for the default essid's |
| [18:19:16] | justinh: | rule #1 of hacking.. know your target |
| [18:20:15] | clev: | my system is WEP still |
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| [18:21:02] | wagnerrp: | too many embedded things only allow WEP (im looking at my DS) |
| [18:21:20] | clev: | win 2k gave me trouble with wpa so i gave up and just used wep |
| [18:21:36] | clev: | but ive cracked my own key in seconds after i got 1mil packets |
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| [18:21:49] | wagnerrp: | win2k should give you absolutely no trouble with WEP, because it has no built in wireless capability |
| [18:21:55] | wagnerrp: | you have to use your card drivers |
| [18:22:12] | justinh: | I have more damn wireless issues in linux |
| [18:22:17] | justinh: | stupid linux |
| [18:22:23] | clev: | it was wpa that gave me trouble |
| [18:22:23] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to statically set it up in your wireless card properties |
| [18:22:28] | justinh: | signal level problems of all things |
| [18:22:34] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Did I read something about them adding WPA support to the wii lately? |
| [18:22:44] | iamlindoro_: | <-- has not turned on the Wii for a year or so |
| [18:22:51] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, the wii shipped with wpa support |
| [18:23:01] | iamlindoro_: | hm... maybe it was WPAv2 |
| [18:23:04] | iamlindoro_: | dunno |
| [18:23:05] | justinh: | IIRC our wii is set up on my WPA router just fine |
| [18:23:24] | justinh: | the passkey is infuriatingly long to enter with a remote though |
| [18:23:25] | justinh: | bleh |
| [18:23:30] | wagnerrp: | it could be wpa2, i set my roommate's wii up on my network, and dont remember having to drop back to wep to do so |
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| [18:23:42] | justinh: | I think it's wpa2 |
| [18:23:53] | justinh: | besides it's only software innit |
| [18:23:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: try adding the passkey several times into a phone |
| [18:23:58] | justinh: | easy to change |
| [18:24:08] | justinh: | wagnerrp: screw that. then I'd go for hex |
| [18:25:01] | wagnerrp: | only to discover after about an hour that all attempts have failed because while the phone allows you to enter an arbitrarily long passkey, it only works if the key is under 24 characters (or something like that) |
| [18:25:30] | justinh: | ouch |
| [18:25:33] | wagnerrp: | that one really pissed me off |
| [18:25:49] | justinh: | my key is er.. more |
| [18:26:00] | justinh: | but very easy to remember :) |
| [18:26:06] | wagnerrp: | i just happened upon that solution, because i got tired of re-entering a big long key |
| [18:26:15] | wagnerrp: | so i just chopped it off to see if i could even get it working |
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| [18:26:29] | wagnerrp: | first try, it worked |
| [18:26:39] | darkdrgn2k: | Hey, what does the "auto" paramter do in fstab (not the FS auto..) |
| [18:26:50] | wagnerrp: | i think its around 20 characters now |
| [18:26:51] | oobe: | auto mounts |
| [18:27:03] | clev: | darkdrgn2k: mounting on bootup |
| [18:27:21] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: as opposed to 'noauto' which just adds an entry so that mount knows what settings you want when you manually mount it |
| [18:27:21] | darkdrgn2k: | clev: hmmmm and noauto allows you to run the mount as nonroot |
| [18:27:32] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: ' |
| [18:27:34] | darkdrgn2k: | so there a way to do automout as in usb key? |
| [18:27:37] | gbee: | I use a full length, randomly generated hex key – entering that via remote would reduce me to tears |
| [18:27:38] | clev: | no, that would be the user option |
| [18:27:41] | wagnerrp: | user' allows you to enter it as non-root |
| [18:27:53] | clev: | darkdrgn2k: gnome and kde can do that automaticaly, and you can also try pmount |
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| [18:28:19] | darkdrgn2k: | ok, what about nfs mounts, is thre a way to make it in a way "keep trying" if the server is down |
| [18:28:45] | clev: | most of my mounts will retry if the server goes down afterwards |
| [18:29:10] | clev: | but cron or autofs would be the only way to mount it again later if it needed to be mounted again |
| [18:29:12] | darkdrgn2k: | clev: what about before (is server 1 starts up before server2) |
| [18:29:21] | wagnerrp: | there is no way to make it repeatedly try to mount an inaccessable nfs server, short of a scripted loop you write yourself |
| [18:30:55] | darkdrgn2k: | ok, is there a way to check if a drive has been mounted? |
| [18:30:58] | darkdrgn2k: | i guess "mount" |
| [18:31:44] | clev: | grep for it from mount or /proc/mounts or /etc/mtab |
| [18:31:59] | darkdrgn2k: | hmmm that woudl work :) |
| [18:32:00] | clev: | some of the tmpfs's ive been doing lately, i make a .mounted file in them |
| [18:32:01] | wagnerrp: | or run 'df' |
| [18:32:06] | darkdrgn2k: | or just mount |
| [18:32:24] | clev: | wagnerrp: df hides filesystems with 0 size |
| [18:32:39] | wagnerrp: | well mount could just mount the file system again over top of the first mount |
| [18:32:49] | wagnerrp: | not something you want to happen |
| [18:33:08] | clev: | wagnerrp: exactly why i use a .mounted file |
| [18:33:16] | darkdrgn2k: | ok, what happens if the server goes down? it wont auto unmount right |
| [18:33:25] | clev: | darkdrgn2k: it will retry some of the time |
| [18:33:30] | clev: | depends on a few things |
| [18:33:32] | wagnerrp: | you can force an unmount |
| [18:33:49] | wagnerrp: | but typically a standard unmount will not occur unless it can tell the server it is doing so |
| [18:33:54] | clev: | wagnerrp: i usualy cant clear it fully without a reboot, but my nfs setup is screwy |
| [18:34:10] | darkdrgn2k: | but it will keep trying till the server comes bakc right? |
| [18:34:16] | clev: | darkdrgn2k: yes it should |
| [18:34:46] | darkdrgn2k: | ok supid bash question, how do you check if a variable is empty again? if [ -x $var ]; then ? |
| [18:35:03] | darkdrgn2k: | or not empty |
| [18:35:27] | clev: | the server tracks all mounts in a file arround /var/lib/nfs/rmtab and lets them back in after a restart |
| [18:35:41] | clev: | most of my problems was the hacks i did to get multiple servers sharing a /var/lib/ |
| [18:35:59] | clev: | the rmtab got lost, so the server had no idea about the mount that had crashed |
| [18:36:19] | darkdrgn2k: | ok.. more importatn qusetion, is thre a way to spindown a harddrive if its not being used? |
| [18:36:27] | wagnerrp: | check out hdparm |
| [18:36:50] | wagnerrp: | youre not running any sort of raid are you? |
| [18:36:54] | darkdrgn2k: | nop |
| [18:36:59] | darkdrgn2k: | just a tower with several drives |
| [18:37:04] | darkdrgn2k: | thats not become a portable heater |
| [18:37:40] | wagnerrp: | ok, ive had... issues when I enable idle spindown on my array |
| [18:38:02] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm what am i looking for in hdparam lol |
| [18:38:08] | darkdrgn2k: | (hdparam always scared me) |
| [18:38:19] | wagnerrp: | caused some data corruption in the ZFS partition it was hoursing |
| [18:38:22] | wagnerrp: | housing |
| [18:38:32] | wagnerrp: | -S |
| [18:39:01] | darkdrgn2k: | : |
| [18:39:02] | darkdrgn2k: | :) |
| [18:43:49] | darkdrgn2k: | ok now how do i save these settings LOL |
| [18:43:52] | darkdrgn2k: | or just add it to rc.local |
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| [18:54:34] | justinh: | hdparm -s IIRC |
| [18:54:48] | justinh: | or hdparm.conf if your distro is blessed with it |
| [18:55:46] | justinh: | beware of one thing though – I found I had to set the dma enable bit in hdparm.conf because the disks weren't in DMA mode when they span back up. took me ages to discover it |
| [18:58:58] | darkdrgn2k: | is there a way to check if the drives are spinnedup? |
| [18:59:01] | darkdrgn2k: | or not |
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| [19:07:51] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: You could just ls /path/to/directory/on/hard/drive . If it takes longer than usual to give the listing (or to tab-auto-complete :), then it wasn't spun up. ;) |
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| [19:19:21] | justinh: | hdparm -s will tell you IIRC |
| [19:20:26] | justinh: | oops. -C |
| [19:20:54] | justinh: | if active, it'll say 'drive is active' |
| [19:21:00] | justinh: | if not, it'll say it's spun down |
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| [19:21:50] | scant: | hi all |
| [19:24:52] | scant: | maybe this information on the wiki, someone recently informed me the record option 'Record at any time on this channel' will record on any channel that has the same channel callsign and doesn't match with xmlid, channelname or channel number, is this true? |
| [19:25:51] | justinh: | quite possibly |
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| [19:26:38] | scant: | I always thought it matched via channel number, but this person said it matches via callsign, so if you have 2 channels with the same call sign, and 2 tuners that have a different channel numbers, but the same callsigns and the channel number that was set up for 'Record at any time on this channel' will fallback to record a channel with the same callsign but a different number on a different tuner |
| [19:27:16] | scant: | is this behavior described anywhere? |
| [19:27:24] | justinh: | the source code :P |
| [19:27:31] | scant: | heh, k |
| [19:27:42] | justinh: | in the UK we don't really have any proper concept of callsigns |
| [19:27:53] | justinh: | channels have names & their numbers vary according to the provider |
| [19:28:34] | scant: | justinh: what's in the callsign area of your mythweb channel setup? is it blank for most/all channels? |
| [19:28:41] | justinh: | the callsign generally ends up being a truncated version of the channel name, so I've thankfully never run into the issue |
| [19:28:46] | scant: | justinh: ah |
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| [19:28:59] | justinh: | it's not something I've ever paid that much attention to |
| [19:29:23] | scant: | justinh: yeah, if this behavior that i'm describing is in fact true, i think it may be abetter idea to match it via channel name rather than callsign, |
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| [19:30:00] | Dibblah: | I wonder if people realise how _annoying_ "me too" bug reports are when they add literally nothing useful... Like logs. |
| [19:30:27] | scant: | Dibblah: it may be annoying, but doesn't help to know the impact level or importance? |
| [19:30:49] | Dibblah: | Not when it could be a completely unrelated issue, no. |
| [19:30:56] | justinh: | scant: a bug is a bug is a bug is a bug |
| [19:31:09] | justinh: | no more or less valid if only one person sees it |
| [19:31:23] | Dibblah: | clev: I believe I'm talking to you ;) |
| [19:31:41] | scant: | justinh: i always thought bugs had priority levels attached to them and one of the ways to assign priority is # of people impacted |
| [19:31:50] | justinh: | heh, XBMC ate my hamster. nice post |
| [19:31:54] | justinh: | scant: nah |
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| [19:32:24] | Dibblah: | scant: They can do. |
| [19:32:33] | justinh: | *can* – sure |
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| [19:32:38] | justinh: | but not necessarily |
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| [19:32:42] | Dibblah: | Or, they can just sit in a very, very big heap. |
| [19:33:05] | justinh: | of course it's nice that people bother to search before posting new tickets |
| [19:33:09] | justinh: | look at it that way |
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| [19:33:49] | scant: | that's what i thought, that bugs do in fact have priority and 1 way, not the only way, but 1 way to determine priority is the # of people experiencing the bug, thus the 'me too' posts while may not be informative and in fact not helpful and sometimes harmful, do have some signifigance |
| [19:34:01] | justinh: | I need to find the reply I got to the one bug ticket I opened for mythmusic.. and frame it |
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| [19:34:34] | justinh: | it'd explain a lot |
| [19:34:58] | Dibblah: | The issue is that the very comment before, I'd asked for logs. |
| [19:35:14] | Dibblah: | I think the issue is specific to certain versions of the Intel driver. |
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| [19:35:41] | tmiw: | neat, I got scan to give me a channels.conf with actual channel names in it. |
| [19:35:44] | tmiw: | http://pastebin.ca/1226149 :D |
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| [19:36:06] | scant: | tmiw: cool i have yet to be able to do that, i should try again |
| [19:36:11] | Dibblah: | (Doesn't do overlay very well, since it's using a GL surface to do the colorspace conversion + scaling) |
| [19:36:41] | scant: | Dibblah: i understand what you're saying |
| [19:37:19] | Dibblah: | In the ticket, I asked for logs from the submitter. |
| [19:37:26] | justinh: | wtf is it with channels.conf files? can people not just stick with the scanner in mythtv-setup – and if that doesn't work report it as broken? |
| [19:37:31] | scant: | Dibblah: if the bug reports are invested, they should try to investigate what actions on their part will help resolve this bug, but sometimes people just don't know how to do that, or don't even know they should do that, and other times, people are just lazy, hehe |
| [19:37:36] | Dibblah: | Someone else comments "Me too" – Without attaching logs. |
| [19:38:01] | Dibblah: | It doesn't work. |
| [19:38:04] | justinh: | effing users. uselessers more like |
| [19:38:15] | Dibblah: | It is broken in a number of ways for DVB-c pirates. |
| [19:38:19] | Dibblah: | Err... Users. |
| [19:38:33] | justinh: | Dibblah: ah. leave em to it then. |
| [19:38:42] | scant: | justinh: I haven't used channels.conf much, but I think 1 advantage is to be able to save a channels.conf and just import w/o scanning, although i think importing via channels.conf initiates a scan |
| [19:38:52] | justinh: | it doesn't |
| [19:38:58] | justinh: | that's one point |
| [19:39:22] | scant: | importing a channels.conf doesn't initiate a scan? i thought it did... |
| [19:39:27] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [19:39:32] | scant: | ah |
| [19:39:34] | scant: | ok |
| [19:39:36] | justinh: | and another point is that importing a channels.conf file results in you missing other vital information mythtv needs to work. info which can't be cleaned from a channels.conf file |
| [19:40:04] | Dibblah: | It opens each channel and fills in the missing info before actually committing it to the database. |
| [19:40:18] | scant: | justinh: this is one thing that i need to investigate, if it's reasonable and useful to backup channels from the mythtv database |
| [19:40:28] | Dibblah: | justinh: That bug is fixed. |
| [19:40:54] | justinh: | it's reasonable to back up your database on a regular basis anyway |
| [19:41:03] | justinh: | if you value the working-ness of your system much |
| [19:41:16] | justinh: | Dibblah: damnit |
| [19:41:18] | scant: | justinh: the reason i would like to investigate it is because, my channel scanning is unreliable, i'm not sure if it's a singnal, driver, or tuner hardware issue |
| [19:41:19] | Dibblah: | Channels alone is useless. |
| [19:41:42] | Dibblah: | Pastebin the logs. |
| [19:41:46] | justinh: | scant: so it's a messy workaround & won't help get genuine scanning problems fixed |
| [19:42:14] | Dibblah: | There are known issues with the scanner. |
| [19:42:43] | Dibblah: | But DanielK is very busy on more important stuff. |
| [19:42:44] | scant: | Dibblah: are you asking me to pastebin some logs? |
| [19:42:51] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [19:43:30] | Dibblah: | mythtv-setup -v channel,record |
| [19:43:36] | Dibblah: | I think should be enough. |
| [19:44:01] | Dibblah: | DVB-C/S/T/ATSC/SomethingWierder? |
| [19:44:16] | sphery: | scant: "this channel" means callsign. The channel number is meaningless to Myth--it's only purpose is to allow people (who don't know how to use a PVR) to change to a specific channel in LiveTV without using Browse/EPG. |
| [19:44:28] | scant: | justinh: i'm actually looking into backing up channels for 2 reasons, the 1st i just said, but the other is, i regularly back up these, i think they are called tables mythconverg record recorded oldrecorded recordedprogram recordedrating recordedmarkup recordedseek, but if i import these backed tables to a brand new mythtv setup, 1 thing is wrong, channel names under textual descripts i think say the XMLID and not the channel # and |
| [19:44:28] | scant: | and i haven't yet figured out how to fix it |
| [19:44:52] | justinh: | back up the whole database |
| [19:44:56] | Dibblah: | scant: That's not what comprises channels. |
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| [19:45:03] | justinh: | you don't have to import everything |
| [19:45:19] | sphery: | justinh: as far as "no concept of callsign", the callsign is just a free-form 10-character field used to uniquely identify channels for the purpose of scheduling--you can set it to any value you want as long as only channels with the same content are given the same callsign :) |
| [19:45:22] | justinh: | disk space being as cheap as it is, you won't regret it one day |
| [19:45:25] | scant: | ok, i can backup the whole database, and selectively import, do you guys know hot to fix the issue i'm talking about??? |
| [19:45:55] | Dibblah: | scant: We have no idea what your issue is. |
| [19:46:04] | Dibblah: | "unreliable" covers many sins. |
| [19:46:14] | Dibblah: | And not answering questions doesn't help ;) |
| [19:46:15] | scant: | sphery: thanks for the definitive answer on my longwinded question, 'this channel' == callsign helps with my fall back recording setup |
| [19:46:33] | scant: | Dibblah: i just wrote about it |
| [19:47:21] | Dibblah: | scant: If you only have those tables, you don't have a valid setup. |
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| [19:48:18] | Dibblah: | scant: There's stuff in the documentation about backup and restore. |
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| [19:49:09] | scant: | Dibblah: if I'm wrong than this page on the wiki is wrong: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Backup_your_database |
| [19:49:31] | scant: | Dibblah: Backing up for new hardware. Select only the appropriate tables (record recorded oldrecorded recordedprogram recordedrating recordedmarkup recordedseek) to backup for newer hardware. |
| [19:50:17] | Dibblah: | That's just for recordings. Not channels. |
| [19:50:23] | Dibblah: | And yes, it's wrong. |
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| [19:51:28] | scant: | Dibblah: huh? I believe the tables that I mentioned I backedup previously are the same tables that are listed under that heading on the mythtv wiki, if it's wrong, than it's wrong, and I'm wrong, however, I still don't know how to fix the issue, when doing it this way, that textual descriptions of channels come up with XMLIDs(I think) rather than channel #'s and callsigns |
| [19:52:03] | scant: | does anyone know how to reslove this? |
| [19:52:40] | scant: | what extra tables do i need to backup inorder to have textual descriptions of channels appear correctly after a restoration on a new mythtv setup? |
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| [19:53:26] | Dibblah: | You need to restore your channels. Unfortunately, I don't think there's a really good way of doing that. |
| [19:53:55] | Dibblah: | dtv_multiplex, channel are the minimum. |
| [19:54:12] | Dibblah: | That won't give you a working setup, though, I believe. |
| [19:54:17] | scant: | Dibblah: that's what I was wondering, I thought iwas just like a table, isn't it just a table(although I don't know the table name offhand) , if it's a table, why not in addition to the previosly mentioned tables that i backup, backing up the channels table, why won't that work? |
| [19:54:32] | ** Dibblah is on a business trip, so doesn't have access to the schema at the moment) ** | |
| [19:55:04] | Dibblah: | It's a complex mix of a number of tables. |
| [19:55:14] | scant: | Dibblah: and I've done backup and restores with just these tables: record recorded oldrecorded recordedprogram recordedrating recordedmarkup recordedseek and things seem to be fine and working, except for... the texual descriptions of channels of previosuly recorded shows |
| [19:55:34] | justinh: | for digital TV users, generally only dtv_multiplex & channel would be fine |
| [19:55:58] | Dibblah: | It's not guaranteed that the channels will line up with your record rules. |
| [19:55:59] | justinh: | if you're careful to put the cards in the right order in the new setup |
| [19:56:02] | scant: | Dibblah: ah, if it's a number of tables, that makes more sense, but I still wonder if every table that deals with channels, if I can just back them up and restore them, if that will fix my issue |
| [19:56:56] | Dibblah: | Why not just back up the whole database? |
| [19:57:06] | scant: | Dibblah: i'm pretty sure with just backing up the tables i mentioned, record rules for both 'any channel' and 'this channel' work fine |
| [19:58:22] | scant: | Dibblah: well I can backup the whole database, but i don't usually want to restore the whole database, i know it may not make sense to you, but it seems other people seem to like to do the same exact thing, so much, there's an entry on the mythtv wiki about it, so.... that's the backup/restore path i chose to follow |
| [19:59:54] | Dibblah: | There are (AFAIK) a couple of things that are non-deterministic in the channel scanner, etc. |
| [20:00:21] | scant: | I wonder if this will resolve my issue, restoring these tables: callsignnetworkmap, channel, dtv_multiplex, dtv_privatetypes, record recorded oldrecorded recordedprogram recordedrating recordedmarkup recordedseek |
| [20:00:25] | Dibblah: | Which means that your actual channels will not be able to be referenced the same as your "old" lineup. |
| [20:00:43] | Dibblah: | No. |
| [20:00:59] | Dibblah: | You missed, at a minimum channel. |
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| [20:01:10] | Dibblah: | dtv_privatetypes is not used. |
| [20:01:20] | scant: | Dibblah: ok, I also think I saw something/read something that suggested that the channel mapping stuff was non-deterministic, so that may be true, and you know more than I do... =) |
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| [20:02:08] | scant: | Dibblah: there's a miniumchannel table? I included channel in that table list I just wrote.... or am i hallucinating |
| [20:03:50] | sphery: | scant: the wiki page you mentioned is really a mish-mosh of valid/partially-valid/completely-wrong info. IM(not-so)HO, the only part people should read is "The official MythTV backup (and restore) scripts", which directs you to the page you should use ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) |
| [20:05:22] | justinh: | sphery: I'm sick to death of the wiki |
| [20:05:28] | justinh: | give an idiot a notepad and... |
| [20:05:53] | justinh: | there aren't enough editors to keep it on the right track |
| [20:06:21] | sphery: | When you do a "partial" restore (as you described), your recordings are keyed off old chanid's (not xmltvid's) that may not exist in your new DB if you scan them. You will then see the chanid (not xmltvid) in the channel description in the EPG/Watch Recordings/etc. but /only/ if you don't have a channel with that ID (meaning a recording could show up as having been recorded from a different channel if you reuse chanid's ... |
| [20:06:28] | sphery: | ... differently). |
| [20:07:14] | sphery: | Eventually, the official restore script will have an option to "fix" the linkage to old recordings when chanid's change. |
| [20:07:42] | sphery: | justinh: agreed... I used to try to keep a couple of pages correct, but gave up as it was impossible. |
| [20:07:56] | scant: | sphery: woah |
| [20:08:08] | justinh: | not the end of the world to have recordings tagged as being on the wrong channel. certainly better than not having them at all ;) |
| [20:08:53] | sphery: | justinh: yep, I never cared to fix it for myself, but some users have asked for the capability, so it's on my (long) TODO list, now. |
| [20:09:05] | scant: | sphery: thanks for chiming in and stuff, I'll have to get my verbage striaght when it comes to XMLTVID's and ChanIDs |
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| [20:09:54] | scant: | i agree with both justinh and sphery, it's not required or even annoying, just "nice to have" |
| [20:10:00] | sphery: | Also, since I properly cleaned my channels up (using Delete all video sources), I always get the same chanid's for my channels, so the only time I've had a disconnect is when I switched from DISH to OTA HDTV. |
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| [20:10:40] | scant: | sphery: can you go into more detail if possible, the procedure you use to get the same ChanIDs |
| [20:10:50] | justinh: | if people have to restore DBs on such a regular basis as it becomes a chore.. something is wrong :) |
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| [20:11:12] | justinh: | scant: the chanid is autogenerated |
| [20:11:31] | justinh: | naturally incremented by one every time a new channel entry is made |
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| [20:12:13] | justinh: | what the new import feature would prolly do is get the old channel name via the chanid number, then look for a channel of the same name in the new database |
| [20:12:20] | justinh: | badabing |
| [20:12:24] | sphery: | scant: yeah, hope it's helpful... Just trying to get more people to use the offiical backup/restore scripts. I see a lot of people break their DB's (generally breaking the data in the DB--and then swearing that the database is fine because <insert reason here>), so... |
| [20:12:48] | scant: | justinh: i'm not a contributor, but i would have thought using a hash function or something against the channel number, name, and callsign for ChanIDs would be deterministic, better, and reliable, but i'm sure since i'm not a contributor that there's an issue(s) with doing it that way |
| [20:13:08] | sphery: | scant: details (more than you want) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
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| [20:13:40] | sphery: | justinh: that's the plan for the restore script--it will also do the same to fix things like visibility of channel, EIT usage, xmltvid, ... |
| [20:14:47] | sphery: | scant: you assume people actually have valid data in their DB's (and how I want to live in the world you imagine)... We need a unique identifier that's completely independent of any data in the DB. |
| [20:14:54] | scant: | sphery: if you have the patience, i haven't read the page, but from what I understand, I think you are saying that before I record anything, I should delete all channels and all video sources, setup my video sources and channels, and then if i backup and restore( i know Dibblah says it's wrong) and do the same thing again in the same order that I did it the frist time, my ChanIDs should be the same as before the restore and the tex |
| [20:14:54] | scant: | descriptions of channels for recordings will be correct? |
| [20:15:49] | sphery: | too many people change the data in the database and make it invalid--i.e. have 100's of channels (literally and seriously) with the exact same channel number and channel name (DVB Radio or something) |
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| [20:17:03] | sphery: | scant: exactly... Assuming (since you're scanning), you're using digital TV and the logical channel number for the channel doesn't change, Myth's default algorithm will be used to create the chanid. |
| [20:17:18] | scant: | sphery: thanks for answering, i was afraid I lost you to the ether |
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| [20:18:23] | scant: | sphery: next, going back to my imaginary world where the database is all valid, isn't the channel number, channel name, channel callsign, XMLTVID all come from video sources, EIT scans, channel scans, and isn't that data independed of the database? |
| [20:19:35] | sphery: | So, for example, my local NBC affiliate is logical channel number 2.1. So, I ensure that I have the exact same video source in use for my OTA channels (video source 1), then the chanid for 2.1 will be 1021 (<video source> * 1000 + <channel number major> * 10 + <channel number minor> * 1 , then a quick check to verify that that chanid isn't in use, and if so, the new channel's ID is incremented by 1 until a free chanid is found). |
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| [20:21:20] | sphery: | If you're in the US, some of the logical channel numbers may change after the Feb 2009 analog-TV cut-off/DTV switchover. Or, if you get your channels from a cable company (where cable co's--at least in the US--love to reorder channel numbers at will), logical channel numbers may change (and will likely be reused). |
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| [20:22:15] | justinh: | FFS if I hear one more "MUHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHY DIDN'T THE (SHIT PROGRRAMME) I SET TO RECORD, RECORD?!" I will KILL |
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| [20:22:45] | justinh: | Peter Kay's programme last night didn't record because.. I secretly cancelled the schedule |
| [20:22:55] | justinh: | because it would be crap. MythTaste (tm) |
| [20:22:56] | scant: | sphery: yes, i think i understand more, and it seems like you are using a hash function to generate a chanID, but with collisions, you are using chaining... |
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| [20:23:52] | justinh: | oops. i made that up about cancelling it, the backend had fallen over |
| [20:24:09] | justinh: | beware guys. if mythtv fails for some reason it's YOUR FAULT |
| [20:24:13] | justinh: | shoot the messenger |
| [20:24:17] | sphery: | scant: channel number, name, callsign and xmltvid are all user-editable value. There are requirements on how they should be edited (i.e. every channel has a unique number throughout /all/ video sources, channel name has no restrictions, channel callsign should /only/ be the same if the channels broadcast "substantially identical" programming, and xmltvid should be the value matches the value used by your listings grabber--note ... |
| [20:24:23] | sphery: | ... that the definition of "substantially identical" is left for you to determine, but for me it means completely identical) |
| [20:24:59] | justinh: | completely identical.. to avoid disappointment |
| [20:25:03] | scant: | sphery: are you psychic, i was going to ask that question |
| [20:25:07] | sphery: | Unfortunately, users are smarter than developers, so they have determined that ignoring the data validity rules imposed by the code "works great" and so they often do things differently. |
| [20:25:29] | laga_: | so the same channel across different sources has the same number? |
| [20:25:35] | sphery: | not psychic--just well practiced at having this discussion :) |
| [20:25:47] | justinh: | it'll record the show on the lowest channel number ;) |
| [20:26:12] | justinh: | lowest input number / whatever |
| [20:26:28] | justinh: | designers often forget to take into account people doing idiotic things |
| [20:26:43] | scant: | sphery: like, going back to the 'this channel' question, my local broadcast NBC affiliate is callsign say, NBC, my QAM NBC affiliatecallsign is say, NBC-DT, it's ok to change the NBC-DT callsign to NBC to get the 'this channel' fallback behavior that i was asking about? |
| [20:26:58] | sphery: | laga_: In theory, the /only/ time any 2 channels are allowed to have the same channel number is when they have the same callsign (meaning they broadcast "substantially identical" content). In that case, having the same channel number and callsign tells Myth that it should only show "the channel" one time in the guide/browse modes |
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| [20:27:47] | sphery: | However, since the channel number is only used as a means of allowing a user to specify to which channel Myth should change while watching LiveTV, having overlapping channel numbers doesn't /seem/ to present problems for many users. |
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| [20:28:50] | sphery: | laga_: and, channels with the same callsign are not /required/ to have the same channel number (only if the user wants to see the channel only once in the guide) |
| [20:29:37] | laga_: | your mythtv knowledge is awe-inspiring, as usual |
| [20:29:57] | laga_: | i just wish i could *remember*, but next week i'll have forgotten again :( |
| [20:30:57] | scant: | sphery: so it's ok to change my QAM NBC affiliate from NBC-DT to just NBC? |
| [20:31:08] | sphery: | scant: Yes, you can (and /should/) change the callsign to specify which channels should be treated as identical for the purposes of scheduling. Even though "NBC" is not a (FCC-)valid callsign, for Myth's purposes, using it is fine since it's simply a string used to mark 2 channels as having "substantially identical" (I love saying that) content. |
| [20:31:20] | sphery: | Yep. |
| [20:31:27] | scant: | will that cause unexpected behavior, unwanted behavior, database errors, or database corruption? |
| [20:31:38] | scant: | sphery: NBC as a callsign was just an example |
| [20:32:09] | sphery: | If you want callsigns to actually be callsigns, you could use "WESH" for both (that's my BC affiliate), but again, the value means nothing--only it's relative uniqueness compared to other callsigns in the MythTV DB. |
| [20:33:24] | scant: | sphery: gotcha, again, NBC and NBC-DT aren't my callsigns, just an example |
| [20:33:55] | sphery: | laga_: thx, but really, my knowledge only covers a very small portion of Myth--I just happen to be a lot louder than many others when it comes to presenting my knowledge, so you hear me presenting info more than you hear others :) |
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| [20:34:13] | scant: | sphery: there was this guy tho, i think in the UK who was saying, he or they(UK) don't use callsigns, I wonder how 'this channel' and callsign parity works for people in the UK... |
| [20:34:24] | sphery: | scant: right--I'm just trying to drive home the fact that callsign doesn't mean callsign--it's just a free-form 10-char text field :) |
| [20:35:06] | justinh: | scant: 'this guy' told you |
| [20:35:17] | scant: | hehe |
| [20:35:42] | scant: | so, I'm just wondering if the UK doesn't have callsigns, i guess the expected behavor of 'this channel' matching callsigns breaks in the UK |
| [20:35:46] | sphery: | So, (and replying to your last thought), whether a country has a concept of callsign or not is irrelevant as Myth requires a value (any value) in the US-centrically-named "callsign" field to define channel uniqueness |
| [20:35:53] | justinh: | say 'callsign' to most UK people who've never used mythtv & those who aren'y sad-sac radio hams will look at you blankly |
| [20:36:20] | AndyCap: | KWRP cincinattiiii |
| [20:36:21] | scant: | should the expected behavior of 'this channel' matching callsigns be changed to matching channel names instead? |
| [20:36:23] | justinh: | we have 'names' for channels that mean stuff :) |
| [20:36:35] | sphery: | as justinh said, usually for them, the callsign becomes a truncated version of the channel name, and that works well for them because they have long channel names whose truncated versions don't tend to overlap :) |
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| [20:36:37] | justinh: | scant: oh ffs don't go angling for things to be changed |
| [20:36:41] | justinh: | RESISTANCE! |
| [20:36:47] | theBishop: | Fall of Man? |
| [20:36:49] | at0m|c: | callsign, isn't that something that precedes flight number? :o |
| [20:37:05] | justinh: | somebody point out the -dev list thread where I suggested renaming 'video sources' |
| [20:37:07] | tmiw: | so yeah |
| [20:37:10] | scant: | ok, thanks for the explanation, you guys really have helped a lot |
| [20:37:10] | tmiw: | I think it _is_ a signal issue |
| [20:37:12] | tmiw: | http://pastebin.ca/1226211 |
| [20:37:21] | tmiw: | 17c/ffff = 0.5% |
| [20:37:29] | tmiw: | time to look into an amp |
| [20:37:36] | tmiw: | :/ |
| [20:37:45] | theBishop: | are F/OSS codecs available for Dolby TrueHD and DTS:MA? |
| [20:37:48] | sphery: | scant: nope, we need to keep "this channel" == callsign. callsign is a field that's used by the scheduler. name is a field that's used to present a human-readable text description of a channel (in the user's preferred format as channel name is provided by the user) |
| [20:38:08] | sphery: | so, name is for users, callsign is for Myth's internal code |
| [20:38:08] | scant: | now, i need to get back to finding the 'proper way' to restore selective tables in a database, or if there is no proper way to selectively restore tables, and if not, which myth restore/backup script i should use, and if that alows selectivity |
| [20:38:14] | at0m|c: | tmiw: here i had to offset all channels .250mhz eh. dont ask me why /everything/ is offset |
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| [20:38:27] | justinh: | tmiw: snr == signal to noise ratio.. I suspect the driver is lying about that |
| [20:38:38] | justinh: | ber == bit error rate. bad spikes of it in there |
| [20:38:49] | justinh: | unc == uncorrectable errors... whoah |
| [20:38:56] | sphery: | though, I really don't care if anyone chooses to rename the callsign field, we need to keep a field where it is and with its meaning for the scheduler's use |
| [20:39:02] | justinh: | and the lock keeps vanishing. BAD |
| [20:39:16] | justinh: | sphery: imagine the furore. No thanks |
| [20:39:26] | sphery: | scant: the restore script on the page I mentioned will do partial/new-hardware restores |
| [20:39:37] | tmiw: | justinh: yeah :( |
| [20:39:52] | sphery: | (probably does almost exactly what you did, but it does some checks and also presents very (too?) comprehensive --help output) |
| [20:39:58] | tmiw: | I'll try plugging it directly into the wall when I get home, I suppose. |
| [20:40:07] | tmiw: | or |
| [20:40:09] | scant: | hmmm, which page? |
| [20:40:12] | sphery: | scant: again, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [20:40:16] | tmiw: | at0m|c: .250 forward or back? |
| [20:40:29] | scant: | thanks |
| [20:40:49] | scant: | but now i'm kind of fretting, cause, maybe my database is corrupt, and like all of you were saying, i don't even know that it's corrupt |
| [20:40:57] | sphery: | oh, the again wasn't meant to be a dig--my psychic ability said you'd want to know, so I typed that before I read your question asking for it (and, had I seen the question would have left out the again) |
| [20:41:52] | sphery: | justinh: yeah, I'm not going to take on the task of renaming (or participating in the discussion to choose a new name for) callsign, but if someone else likes pain and frustration, more power to him. |
| [20:41:57] | scant: | sphery: you are psychic ;) |
| [20:42:00] | sphery: | :) |
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| [20:42:19] | scant: | i'm guessing, that if my database is corrupt, there's no way to know |
| [20:42:57] | sphery: | justinh: I have a pcHDTV HD-3000, whose drivers don't provide a BER. I find that's a great way to get 0 BER (though for some reason I still get some annoying signal issues????) |
| [20:44:10] | sphery: | at0m|c: sounds suspiciously like the offset one would see when they are using, for example, the us-cable frequency table, but should be using, for example, the us-cable-hrc frequency table... |
| [20:44:40] | justinh: | eew fixx0r dat driv3r0r! |
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| [20:45:29] | tmiw: | hm, I think it is wiring. I tried another channel on a lower frequency and I got fewer errors |
| [20:45:33] | tmiw: | (but still a lot) |
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| [20:46:42] | sphery: | Hmmm... It turns out I'm wrong about what I said about callsign. It seems it's been updated to 20-character free-form text field, not 10-character... |
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| [20:47:14] | justinh: | yeah 20 chars for UK channel names |
| [20:47:19] | theBishop: | is there any way to interleave the HD video from a PCI-e GPU and 7.1 audio from a PCI soundcard into a single HDMI out? |
| [20:47:25] | justinh: | UKTVWHATEVERWEWANNACALLITTHISWEEK |
| [20:47:54] | justinh: | theBishop: not without an expensive muxeryfier box nope |
| [20:48:03] | justinh: | you need a new card |
| [20:48:17] | justinh: | maybe no need to change the existing soundcard though |
| [20:48:22] | theBishop: | justinh, has any solution to this been proposed? |
| [20:48:31] | sphery: | theBishop: Many GPU's will accept an S/PDIF cable from a sound card and stick that in an HDMI signal with the video |
| [20:48:53] | theBishop: | sphery, ok, but that's limited to 5.1 Dolby, right? |
| [20:49:10] | theBishop: | no TrueHD/DTSMA if i buy a snazzy blu ray drive |
| [20:49:37] | justinh: | no bluray playback in linux full stop |
| [20:49:45] | justinh: | not right from the disk anyway |
| [20:49:49] | sphery: | theBishop: however, if you find a way of taking 7.1-channel PCM data and passing it via HDMI (or, better, DisplayPort), please let me know, as that's what I want for all my audio--i.e. Myth decodes everything and passes 7.1-channel uncompressed PCM to a receiver, which outputs to speakers |
| [20:50:16] | Dibblah: | Allegedly, yes. |
| [20:50:17] | sphery: | BTW, S/PDIF does 2-channel PCM or "non-audio" data (meaning AC-3/DTS) |
| [20:50:26] | Dibblah: | Intel on board video. |
| [20:50:39] | theBishop: | justinh, hopefully not forever |
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| [20:50:57] | justinh: | theBishop: hopefully one day we will all have a puppy of our own, too |
| [20:51:13] | justinh: | and we will love him, and pet him & stroke him. and call him George |
| [20:51:21] | theBishop: | sphery, i don't see how it would be possible without some new southbridge standard for passing the audio |
| [20:51:22] | sphery: | which way did he go? |
| [20:51:34] | Dibblah: | sphery: http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/04 . . . theater-pcs/ |
| [20:51:42] | sphery: | theBishop: yeah, but still I want one... |
| [20:51:51] | dashcloud: | there's a patch for the later AMD cards to allow audio over HDMI |
| [20:51:52] | justinh: | there's nothing to stop 7.1 audio going over spdif |
| [20:52:08] | dashcloud: | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13026 |
| [20:52:12] | theBishop: | sphery, me too, i'm trying to put together a badass htpc, and it seems like there's a few snags right now with HD a/v |
| [20:52:15] | sphery: | justinh: but only in a non-audio data format |
| [20:53:01] | justinh: | yeah well, their loss |
| [20:53:10] | justinh: | won't be buying into it til it's old :) |
| [20:54:31] | sphery: | theBishop: on the bright side, Intel is completely revamping their whole sound standard (i.e. they had AC'97, then Intel HDA, and now they're making a new one) that actually takes audio processing out of the CPU--similar to going from WinModems to hardware modems... I hope this makes it easier for Linux (after the obligatory 5- to 10-yr wait for the standard to be completed/put into use, of course) |
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| [20:57:53] | sphery: | theBishop: you should read the link Dibblah mentioned-- http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2008/04 . . . theater-pcs/ |
| [20:57:53] | theBishop: | sphery, interesting. how far out is this tech? |
| [20:58:30] | sphery: | well, think of the difference between AC'97 and HDA--we're pretty much in the beginning of the HDA years, so... |
| [20:59:24] | sphery: | this may actually appear quicker, though, as Intel is doing it to save on power usage for laptops (the IRQ's required for the CPU-based approach are wasting some 4–6W, which is a lot for laptop/low-power systems) |
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| [21:01:29] | dashcloud: | is there a way to delete a single video source? my broadcast channel listing is adding a few extra channels that I don't get (non-HD, removed them from the schedules direct listing) |
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| [21:18:26] | sphery: | dashcloud: hit d when the video source is selected |
| [21:18:33] | sphery: | dashcloud: but that's probably not what you want to do |
| [21:19:15] | sphery: | dashcloud: details: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (but really, you should be able to just delete or add channels as required) |
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| [21:20:58] | scant: | I have a bug, but I'm too lazy to report it... |
| [21:21:26] | scant: | It's not really a bug, but unexpected operation... perhaps a better way to describe it is 'feature fix' |
| [21:21:44] | sphery: | what's that? |
| [21:22:08] | scant: | what's what? what's my 'feature fix' or what does 'feature fix' mean? |
| [21:24:51] | scant: | MythMusic directory 'Tree Sorting' doesn't list directories within a directory as the 1st entries in the list, I can't figure out what critera it uses to list directories in a directory, it doesn't seem lexographic either... |
| [21:28:45] | RyeBrye: | anyone here ising an imon LCD? |
| [21:29:00] | RyeBrye: | (and has it working with lirc_imon?) |
| [21:29:05] | scant: | RyeBrye: where's like an iMON LCD and iMON VFD, which one do you have? |
| [21:29:21] | RyeBrye: | It's an actual LCD – 0x152c 0x0038 is the id of it |
| [21:30:19] | RyeBrye: | I've been beating my brains out working on figuring out why the lirc_imon isn't working for my anymore... not quite sure what it is – I think there are things in the driver that are just plain wrong... I can watch what it is sending out of usbmon but I don't have a reference of the correct output to compare it to |
| [21:30:37] | RyeBrye: | http://codeka.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69 is a thread where I've posted my various steps... |
| [21:31:04] | scant: | well the module needs an option, i think it's called islcd=0 for LCDs |
| [21:31:30] | scant: | at least that's what mine is |
| [21:31:34] | RyeBrye: | Oh, do you have an LCD one? |
| [21:31:36] | scant: | but i'm just some newb so... |
| [21:31:57] | RyeBrye: | It doesn't matter if you are newb, if your LCD one is currently working, you coudl do me a big favor by just copying the usbmon output of it for me :) |
| [21:32:17] | scant: | I think I have a LCD, but since I'm always wrong, I probably have a VFD |
| [21:32:29] | scant: | usbmon? |
| [21:32:44] | RyeBrye: | can you type lsubs | grep SoundGraph |
| [21:32:49] | RyeBrye: | and tell me what the device ID is? |
| [21:33:00] | RyeBrye: | err |
| [21:33:05] | scant: | us 003 Device 002: ID 15c2:ffdc SoundGraph Inc. iMON PAD Remote Controller |
| [21:33:05] | RyeBrye: | lsusb | grep SoundGraph that is |
| [21:34:10] | RyeBrye: | I think the ffdc is a vfd |
| [21:34:13] | RyeBrye: | let me double check |
| [21:34:33] | scant: | which makes sense, because my module option has islcd=0 |
| [21:35:10] | RyeBrye: | Ah, gotcha |
| [21:35:27] | scant: | where are you checking to see if ffdc is vfd? |
| [21:35:38] | RyeBrye: | the source for lirc_imon has it listed |
| [21:35:44] | RyeBrye: | { USB_DEVICE(0x15c2, 0xffdc) }, /* IR & VFD */ |
| [21:36:02] | scant: | cool |
| [21:36:19] | scant: | I still wonder if it has an IR, cause, if it does, I don't know how to enable, use it... |
| [21:36:27] | RyeBrye: | Oh, it does have IR |
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| [21:36:37] | scant: | RyeBrye: well, it may not |
| [21:36:48] | RyeBrye: | on your case is it disabled or something? |
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| [21:37:24] | scant: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Volume_Knob_on_Antec_Fusion |
| [21:37:29] | sphery: | scant: can't say for sure, but it's likely that the MythMusic interface will get quite an overhaul when gbee ports it to mythui (MythVideo did). I'm pretty sure he hasn't yet ported MythMusic (but I haven't looked at MythMusic on my dev box). |
| [21:37:54] | dashcloud: | okay- thanks- sorry for not responding sooner |
| [21:38:30] | scant: | sphery: no problemo, i just wish i knew what critera it uses, i can't see a pattern, and like i said previously, i would assume if it doesn't order directories first, it would use lexicographic ordering, but it doesn't |
| [21:38:30] | RyeBrye: | scant – I think your deviceID implies it has both IR and VFD |
| [21:38:50] | RyeBrye: | scant – do lsusb -v as root and see if you see two endpoints on it |
| [21:39:08] | scant: | RyeBrye: but that page i liked to explains that it doesn't, even tho the device id says it should |
| [21:39:14] | scant: | liked=linked |
| [21:40:44] | scant: | http://pastebin.ca/1226279 is the output for ffdc |
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| [21:42:49] | scant: | RyeBrye: there are 2 endpoints, but i dunno what that implies |
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| [21:43:59] | RyeBrye: | you probably don't have an imon pad remote around, huh? |
| [21:44:05] | RyeBrye: | (i.e. it didn't come with a remote?) |
| [21:44:25] | RyeBrye: | If you had an imon pad or a windows MCE remote, you might be able to see output in irrecord |
| [21:44:37] | RyeBrye: | but you have used lirc to set up the front panel buttons at least, right? |
| [21:44:40] | scant: | RyeBrye: no remote, but it doesn't need a iMON remote to work with it's IR receiver, right? |
| [21:45:03] | RyeBrye: | I think MCE remotes somtimes work as well – not sure, since all I have is an imon remote here |
| [21:45:23] | scant: | RyeBrye: check out that link I posted that's the case I have, there aren't any buttons for iMON part of the Antec Fusion case I have |
| [21:45:36] | RyeBrye: | oh, no volume knob? |
| [21:45:47] | RyeBrye: | that's what I meant |
| [21:45:50] | scant: | RyeBrye: yeah I got me a volume knob and it's SWEET!!!!!!!!! |
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| [21:47:20] | scant: | RyeBrye: I use lirc to enable the knob |
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| [21:49:10] | RyeBrye: | I just realized I thnk I have my old kernel with the working lirc_imon kmod installed still here... perhaps I can boot into it and capture my own output and then do my own debugging... |
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| [21:52:06] | RyeBrye: | hmm... apparently not :( |
| [21:53:28] | scant: | RyeBrye: so you think I have 2 endpoints, 1 for the VFD and 1 for the knob? |
| [21:53:42] | RyeBrye: | the knob and the IR woudl share the same enpoint |
| [21:53:57] | scant: | really? |
| [21:53:58] | RyeBrye: | yeah |
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| [21:54:25] | scant: | I wish I knew a way to definitively know if I had an Antec Fusion V1(VFD & KNOB) and V2(VFD, KNOB, IR) |
| [21:54:32] | scant: | and=or |
| [21:55:00] | RyeBrye: | http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/gettin . . . th-lirc.html talks about a different device – but describes how he got his keys and his ir working on his setup |
| [21:55:31] | RyeBrye: | It would be helpful to know if the 0x152c 0xffdc was device ID used on the V1 AND the V2 |
| [21:58:19] | scant: | RyeBrye: it took a while for this newb to get the VFD and knob and my IR receiver on my PVR-150/HVR-1600 working all together |
| [21:58:40] | scant: | RyeBrye: but now that you have me curious i'll have to put it on my list of things to look into |
| [21:58:53] | RyeBrye: | I'd definitely recommend backing up all your current settings |
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| [21:59:30] | RyeBrye: | if you do have an IR receiver already working that is a general-purpose IR receiver, I don't see why you'd need to have the imon one work – unless you were just curious |
| [21:59:41] | mchou: | tmiw: the signal strength and snr numbers cant be trusted from azap for the pinnacle card (the driver lies about those values) |
| [21:59:47] | scant: | Oh yeah that's done, it's just that, I don't know if I have the patience to investigate, i need to be told exactly what to do to determine if it has an IR |
| [22:00:23] | scant: | RyeBrye: I'm curious and having the VFD, Knob, and IR all be iMON seems neat, and if I ever want to change capture cards/tuners, I won't have to deal with IR stuff |
| [22:00:27] | tmiw: | mchou: are the ber and unc numbers trustworthy, though? |
| [22:00:57] | mchou: | tmiw: but the bit error rate and the absence of FE_HAS_LOCK can be trusted (which implies you do have a signal issue) |
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| [22:01:55] | mchou: | tmiw: so your diagnosis is correct for the wrong reasons |
| [22:02:11] | pac1: | how do i set up the digital channel lineup so the schedule gets populated. Right now all the analog stuff comes in but the digital channels don't make it. |
| [22:02:19] | tmiw: | mchou: ah. good to know :D |
| [22:02:34] | tmiw: | I'll go to radioshack when I get off work and see if I can get a bidirectional amp, then |
| [22:02:38] | mchou: | tmiw: just minimize the number of splitters as nuch as possible |
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| [22:02:57] | mchou: | much* |
| [22:03:10] | tmiw: | meh. I'm already down to 1 splitter with 3 outputs |
| [22:03:19] | tmiw: | i'll probably have to go the amp route :/ |
| [22:04:15] | mchou: | I'm saying for testing just attach the machine before all splitters (sanity check) |
| [22:04:26] | pac1: | myth also thinks I have a whole bunch of recordings that are no longer on my hard drive. (deleted) How do I get rid of them in Mythtv? |
| [22:04:36] | tmiw: | mchou: yeah |
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| [22:05:21] | scant: | pac1: usually you can just delete them |
| [22:05:41] | pac1: | one at a time or all at once? |
| [22:05:52] | scant: | pac1: no if you have the _NO_TITLE_ issue, that's a separate issue |
| [22:05:56] | scant: | no=now |
| [22:06:19] | pac1: | one at a time or all at once? |
| [22:06:22] | scant: | pac1: i'm sure there is a way to do it in a few steps via the command line using mysql, but i don't know how |
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| [22:07:10] | pac1: | _NO_TITLE_ ? |
| [22:07:24] | scant: | tmiw: i split my signal like crazy and i have dtv scanning issues that's probably due to it |
| [22:07:39] | scant: | pac1: if you don't know what the _NO_TITLE_ issue is, ignore my statement |
| [22:08:21] | tmiw: | mm |
| [22:08:27] | tmiw: | maybe this will fix my analog issues too |
| [22:08:34] | tmiw: | but i'm fine with just HD channels :D |
| [22:08:58] | scant: | tmiw: keep us updated on your fix |
| [22:09:00] | pac1: | scant, I'll go look it up. sounds like something I should be able to find. |
| [22:09:15] | tmiw: | scant: yep |
| [22:09:35] | scant: | pac1: when I have recordings listed in mythtv that have no video files on my hd attached to, it says like the recording is unavailable, but i can still delete the entries |
| [22:10:43] | scant: | tmiw: the reason i said that is because, I know nothing about signal strength, quality, and digital stuff, so if there is a pretty much guaranteed way to fix my dtv issues, i would invest in a amp |
| [22:10:49] | scant: | tmiw: why do you need a bi-directional amp? |
| [22:11:12] | pac1: | scant, got it. Thanks. |
| [22:11:50] | tmiw: | scant: a normal amp doesn't work when you ahve a cable modem |
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| [22:12:00] | tmiw: | scant: bidirection lets the cable modem transmit back to the cable company |
| [22:12:04] | tmiw: | *bidirectional |
| [22:12:18] | scant: | tmiw: hmmmm, do you have like another cable jack to put the cable modem on, and just get i would assume it's called a 1-way amp? |
| [22:12:38] | tmiw: | bidirectional also allows set-top boxes to work properly |
| [22:12:43] | tmiw: | the ones with on-demand and such |
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| [22:13:32] | scant: | tmiw: so i guess you got both a cable modem and a settop box? |
| [22:13:43] | tmiw: | yeah |
| [22:14:22] | scant: | tmiw: I have my cable modem on a different jack |
| [22:14:46] | tmiw: | my original setup was [wall]->[2way splitter]->modem and stb |
| [22:15:00] | tmiw: | it's currently 3way splitter instead of 2 now |
| [22:15:41] | scant: | and I have something called a 70Ch 20db Cable Amplifier from Radio Shack, and split the signal, like in half and then split half of the the halfed signal into 4 outputs |
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| [22:16:54] | scant: | wall jack-> amp -> 2 way splitter( half to dtv tuner, half to -> 4way splitter) if that makes more sense |
| [22:17:43] | scant: | i have no clue if what i'm doing is wrong or if my amp is so old that it doesn't work with dtv, but i do have signal degregation |
| [22:18:36] | tmiw: | hm |
| [22:18:47] | tmiw: | you probably lost about 10dB from the splitters |
| [22:18:51] | tmiw: | not counting the cable loss |
| [22:19:01] | scant: | tmiw: any advice? |
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| [22:19:13] | tmiw: | assuming 3.5dB from the 2 way and 7dB from the 4 way |
| [22:19:29] | tmiw: | probably reduce the # of splitters as mchou said |
| [22:19:40] | scant: | tmiw: if you need more specifics for more accurate advice – i can give more specifics |
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| [22:20:05] | tmiw: | also what frequency range are your splitters? |
| [22:20:22] | scant: | tmiw: I can't reduce the number of splitters, I have a TV that gets a signal, a vcr/dvd-r that gets a signal, and then i have 3 mythtv tuners |
| [22:21:00] | scant: | tmiw: errr, I mean i can't reduce the number of times the signal is split, but I can reduce the number of splitters |
| [22:21:15] | tmiw: | scant: try this instead of an amp/splitter: http://tinyurl.com/4c8fbj |
| [22:21:33] | tmiw: | it's a radioshack amp that has 4 outputs |
| [22:23:04] | scant: | tmiw: both my 4 way and 2 way splitter is VHF/UHF/FM if that's what you were asking |
| [22:23:45] | tmiw: | hmm |
| [22:24:17] | scant: | if you're wondering how i'm getting a dtv signal though a VHF/UFH/FM splitter i dunno, should I not be able to get one? |
| [22:25:02] | tmiw: | your cable company might be sending you a strong signal in the first place |
| [22:25:18] | scant: | huh? |
| [22:25:36] | scant: | so you're saying, that i shouldn't be able to get QAM reception if i'm going through a VHF/UHF/FM splitter? |
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| [22:25:50] | tmiw: | nah, not saying that |
| [22:25:57] | scant: | ah ok |
| [22:26:08] | tmiw: | my STB and cable modem work fine with my 1 splitter, for instance |
| [22:26:13] | tmiw: | cable modem's a bit borderline, though |
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| [22:27:03] | aceioio: | !list |
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| [22:27:28] | iamlindoro: | We don't do that here. |
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| [22:28:01] | tmiw: | also for me, I think it's split at least once already before it reaches the wall jack the modem/STB/mythtv are using |
| [22:28:15] | scant: | tmiw: I am wondering if I should have my setup like this wall->amp->4 way splitter(vcr, dtv tuner1, tuner2, tuner3) or if i should do wall->amp->2 way splitter( dtv tuner 1, 4way splitter(vcr, tuner2, tuner3)... i thought the 2nd way was optimal |
| [22:29:32] | pac1: | every splitter reduces the signal by 3, 6, 9 or 12 db depending on how many splits. |
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| [22:30:02] | scant: | pac1: so to get the highest signal to dtv tuner1, the 2nd configuration is optimal? |
| [22:30:36] | scant: | tmiw: good luck, when are you going to do this reconfiguration with amps and splitters? |
| [22:30:59] | tmiw: | scant: mahybe today or tomorrow |
| [22:31:05] | tmiw: | *maybe |
| [22:31:16] | scant: | tmiw: and this is because you can't scan dtv channels in myth? |
| [22:31:40] | tmiw: | scant: I got a channel list fine, they just fade out a lot |
| [22:32:17] | tmiw: | scant: http://voldemort.lifeafterking.org/~mooneer/mythtv_results.png is pretty much what happens constantly for me |
| [22:32:27] | scant: | tmiw: ah, me, most channels are acceptable, but sometimes drop out or have macroblocking issues or whatever( dunno the correct terminology) however, 1 channel is like yours, fade out, it's horrible |
| [22:33:24] | scant: | tmiw: yeah only 1 channel is like that for me, but almost all channels get some multicolored macroblocks, but less than that pic, i haven't figured out why yet |
| [22:34:29] | scant: | sphery: can i msg you and if i do, will you respond? |
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| [22:37:42] | pac1: | correction to earlier info: A two-way splitter changes the signal by -3.5 db (negative because it is a loss of signal), a four-way splitter causes -8 db, and an eight-way splitter -12 db. |
| [22:37:51] | pac1: | source: http://www.essex1.com/people/speer/cable.html |
| [22:38:18] | pac1: | I think you can add the splitter's losses expressed in db. |
| [22:38:19] | scant: | i'm at a loss with the splitter stuff, heh, thanks for the link pac1 |
| [22:39:02] | pac1: | so a 2 way going into a 4 way would lose you 11.5db at the output of the 4 way and 3.5 at the remaining output of the two way. |
| [22:39:38] | pac1: | Your results will vary depending on the strength of your cable signal. Your cable guy can actually measure it. |
| [22:39:45] | scant: | shrug |
| [22:40:04] | pac1: | It then becomes a matter of how much signal you need for each device. (they vary, but not too much. |
| [22:40:09] | scant: | i just thought getting the dtv tuner half of the signal was better than like 1/4 of the signal, but i dunno |
| [22:40:22] | scant: | i guess it doesn't working like that |
| [22:40:29] | pac1: | depends on how sensitive the dtv tuner is. |
| [22:40:36] | scant: | shrug again |
| [22:43:26] | tmiw: | set-top boxes and cable modems tend to be more sensitive than tv cards, from what I can tell |
| [22:55:50] | stoth: | question: I'd like to know if the mythback is busy right now, and will likely b busy for the next 10 mins. Is their an easy way to do this? |
| [22:56:14] | stoth: | or a reference script that I can leverage from? |
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| [23:07:45] | pac1: | sometimes you can find the specs and they'll say what the sensitivity is. |
| [23:08:11] | scant: | pac1: hey |
| [23:08:38] | scant: | pac1: is it just me or did you take a long time to continue the discussion.... |
| [23:08:49] | scant: | pac1: I have a HVR-1600 and PVR-150 |
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| [23:09:08] | pac1: | was reading kids books with my wife. She just got back from barnes and noble. |
| [23:09:33] | scant: | pac1: u got a kid? |
| [23:09:34] | pac1: | I have a similar set of stuff. |
| [23:09:59] | pac1: | scant, many nieces, nephews, and she has a whole classroom full. |
| [23:10:03] | GreyFoxx: | stoh: lynx --dump http://127.0.0.1:6544 |
| [23:10:08] | GreyFoxx: | and parse the results |
| [23:10:20] | scant: | pac1: when r u gonna make some babies then? |
| [23:10:21] | GreyFoxx: | the first few lines tell you info on the tuners and if they are in use |
| [23:10:34] | GreyFoxx: | the next few tel you the next time they will be used |
| [23:10:47] | GreyFoxx: | or mythbackend --printsched might be useful |
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| [23:12:18] | pac1: | scant, many nieces, nephews, and she has a whole classroom full. |
| [23:12:32] | pac1: | scant, done with that. I'm 58. |
| [23:13:21] | scant: | pac1: so you do have sons/daughters then? |
| [23:14:01] | pac1: | 1 |
| [23:14:13] | scant: | pac1: cool, sorry for like asking questions like that |
| [23:15:12] | scant: | does anyone here use a MacMini for MythTV? |
| [23:15:24] | scant: | can an AppleTV be used for MythTV? |
| [23:18:24] | directhex: | with difficulty. there's not much point |
| [23:18:30] | directhex: | appletv is quite slow, and has no optical drive |
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| [23:20:41] | scant: | I was just wondering how feasable it was, and if MythTV on a MacMini was sweet or just ok... |
| [23:21:48] | directhex: | it's just as good on the mac mini as any other similarly powered core2duo box. but smaller. and quieter. |
| [23:22:31] | scant: | hmmm.... |
| [23:22:43] | scant: | k, thanks |
| [23:23:15] | scant: | i want to get a small quiet frontend box, but I want to be able to play hd material |
| [23:23:42] | scant: | and i want HDMI out with audio via HDMI |
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| [23:24:41] | oobe: | scant, i just setup exactly what you are talking about |
| [23:24:49] | oobe: | i spent a lot less than what you would think |
| [23:24:51] | scant: | really? |
| [23:24:54] | scant: | details |
| [23:25:00] | oobe: | its quiet and cheap small |
| [23:25:00] | scant: | but first |
| [23:25:12] | scant: | oobe: do you mind explaining your stuff to me? |
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| [23:25:34] | oobe: | ok i made a few threads about it i will track em down for you |
| [23:25:43] | scant: | oobe: sigh... ok |
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| [23:25:55] | oobe: | well its easier that way |
| [23:25:59] | oobe: | but ask away |
| [23:26:04] | oobe: | i dont mind |
| [23:26:44] | scant: | oobe: cool, well the first question i have is, what is the most demanding CPU wise I guess material that you've tried to play and were you able to play it successfully as in no video stutter and no audio drop out? |
| [23:26:47] | oobe: | ubuntuforums seems to be down right now |
| [23:28:51] | directhex: | what material do you want to be able to play? |
| [23:29:00] | oobe: | im running hdtv on a p4 2.8ghz |
| [23:29:13] | scant: | well last time i asked, people got specific on my terminology |
| [23:29:15] | oobe: | its about 70 or 80 at max |
| [23:29:20] | oobe: | and i dont need xvmc |
| [23:29:38] | oobe: | thats for hdtv |
| [23:29:46] | oobe: | its about 30 40 % for sd |
| [23:30:13] | oobe: | its ok cause im using the p4 as a frontend only so it doesnt need any other resources |
| [23:30:49] | oobe: | im using a fx5200 with a dvi to hdmi cable |
| [23:31:02] | oobe: | it gets 1080i resolution |
| [23:31:09] | scant: | how about H.264/AVC @ 54Mbit/s |
| [23:31:18] | scant: | which is I think blu ray spec |
| [23:31:36] | oobe: | im sorry i live in australia and we dont recieve h.264 broadcasts |
| [23:31:36] | wagnerrp: | your fx5200 will output 1920x1080 digital? |
| [23:31:44] | oobe: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [23:31:49] | oobe: | i was told it wouldnt |
| [23:31:53] | directhex: | 3ghz core2. |
| [23:31:58] | oobe: | i was pleasantly surprised |
| [23:32:14] | wagnerrp: | ive seen a number of those that wont do past 1600x1200 |
| [23:32:18] | scant: | oobe: please give us/me a hardware list... |
| [23:32:28] | directhex: | scant, his situation is entirely wrong for you |
| [23:32:36] | oobe: | i have it all in a txt file with some added notes |
| [23:32:40] | scant: | directhex: ? |
| [23:32:41] | oobe: | i will pm it to you |
| [23:32:44] | directhex: | scant, good luck playing even the most kiddy of h264 samples on a p4 2.8ghz |
| [23:32:59] | directhex: | let alone full-bitrate blu-ray |
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| [23:33:10] | scant: | directhex: I'm not wanting to play it, I'm wondering what's possible...... |
| [23:33:25] | directhex: | scant, on a mac mini? 2.17ghz core2, right? |
| [23:33:37] | wagnerrp: | a p4 2.8 should have no problem decoding h.264 |
| [23:33:38] | scant: | directhex: no, on oobe's hardware, whatever it may be |
| [23:33:38] | oobe: | graphics $33 USD = low profile agp 5200 nvidia chose this cause 5000 series even though are older can be used with xvmc and color osd ( not that would mean much ) |
| [23:33:38] | oobe: | rock vista remote $46 |
| [23:33:38] | oobe: | dvi to hdmi cable 15$ |
| [23:33:38] | oobe: | speakers $35 |
| [23:33:40] | oobe: | cheap tv tuner $42 pinnacle 310i |
| [23:33:42] | oobe: | total = $280 after postage and paypal this is the real total |
| [23:33:59] | wagnerrp: | my 2GHz AMD will do up to ~6Mbps without issue |
| [23:34:02] | directhex: | scant, mpeg2. no hope for HD h264 |
| [23:34:18] | directhex: | wagnerrp, 6mbps is not HD. it's only just more than half a DVD's bitrate. |
| [23:34:56] | scant: | oobe: but you don't have audio via HDMI, right? |
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| [23:35:17] | wagnerrp: | directhex: that depends on what loss of quality youre willing to accept |
| [23:35:22] | oobe: | no but i ended up with rca to 3.5 mm cable |
| [23:35:32] | oobe: | instead of speakers |
| [23:35:32] | directhex: | oh fuck it. fuck it royally. i try. god knows why, but i try |
| [23:35:34] | wagnerrp: | of course anything you get over broadcast, or other official media, is going to be out of your league |
| [23:35:41] | directhex: | but i have no interest in arguing with the wisdom of crowds |
| [23:35:46] | scant: | wagnerrp & directhex: are there no setups that are reasonably priced that can do blu ray spec H.264/AVC @ 54Mbit/s decoding w/o video stutter or audio drop outs? |
| [23:36:11] | wagnerrp: | a high end C2D, or mid range C2Q should be able to handle bluray just fine |
| [23:36:33] | scant: | wagnerrp: i thought directhex just said that a C2D couldn't do H.264/AVC @ 54Mbit/s |
| [23:36:38] | wagnerrp: | although i dont know where you would get 54mbps video |
| [23:36:48] | wagnerrp: | do BR disks even peak that high? |
| [23:37:08] | oobe: | scant, how are you going to connect it to the backend will it be cabled or are you using wifi |
| [23:37:23] | directhex: | scant, i said a 3ghz core 2 could, and that a 2.8ghz p4 couldn't. |
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| [23:37:40] | directhex: | and probably not a 2.16ghz core2. perhaps at a push, but not reliably |
| [23:37:47] | scant: | oobe: if I were to build a quite small HDMI out front end only box, I would have it be on a 1000MBit wired network I think, that's the only way, right? |
| [23:38:07] | oobe: | yeah for hdtv transfers |
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| [23:38:19] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason for a frontend to need more than 10/100 |
| [23:38:39] | wagnerrp: | however wired is (almost) a necessity |
| [23:38:49] | scant: | directhex: so for say H.264/AVC @ 36Mbit/s a 3GHz C2D will work, so that will be my target then for my next 2 boxes |
| [23:38:53] | oobe: | that is true but the backend will need to be more that 10/100 to upload hdtv |
| [23:39:30] | scant: | woah, so 100Mbit ethernet network can support say like 4 streams of H.264/AVC @ 36Mbit/s? hmmmm |
| [23:39:30] | wagnerrp: | any hdtv you get is going to be pre-encoded, and will be AT MOST 38mbps, for a multiplex QAM stream |
| [23:39:50] | scant: | see now i'm confused again |
| [23:40:02] | wagnerrp: | scant, why would a frontend ever be receiving four simultaneous streams? |
| [23:40:08] | scant: | more than 1 frontend |
| [23:40:17] | scant: | 5 rooms 5 frontends |
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| [23:41:00] | wagnerrp: | the backend should probably use gigabit, but the frontends dont need more than 10/100 |
| [23:41:02] | scant: | I thought for HD material whatever codec it may be 1000MBit is suggested, but some people are saying 100Mbit is enough |
| [23:41:15] | scant: | wagnerrp: ah, gotcha |
| [23:41:27] | scant: | wagnerrp: thanks for the claification, i wasn't thinking about it like that |
| [23:41:52] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using horribly shitty network hardware, 10/100 hardware should exceed 90mbps in realistic use |
| [23:42:01] | scant: | oobe: I msg'd u |
| [23:42:11] | wagnerrp: | so its far more than capable of a 36mbps stream |
| [23:42:35] | roz: | anyone in here think they could help me with a pinnacle 800i, DVB stuff, and whatnot? |
| [23:43:23] | scant: | wagnerrp: gotcha, thx |
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| [23:43:43] | scant: | ok, so who here audio out via HDMI? |
| [23:43:54] | scant: | opps, who here does audio out via HDMI |
| [23:46:33] | oobe: | scant, sorry was afk |
| [23:46:50] | scant: | oobe: no problem, check your msg |
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| [23:48:58] | scant: | I just have an AthlonXP 1.8GHz and I want to upgrade a whole bunch of stuff and buy a frontend so I can do HDTV |
| [23:51:03] | wagnerrp: | the athlon will do just fine as a backend |
| [23:52:15] | scant: | wagnerrp: yeah, but my backend is also a frontend, so I got to replace the motherboard so it can be a backend/frontend and also support a secondary frontend only mythtv box |
| [23:53:53] | wagnerrp: | so a backend usually requires a fair quantity of hard drives |
| [23:54:06] | wagnerrp: | separating the frontend and backend lets you have a much smaller frontend |
| [23:54:14] | wagnerrp: | and you already have the hardware for it |
| [23:54:28] | scant: | wagnerrp: my 500GB hd is ok for now, but I want to add another 500GB hd to it and then use storage groups |
| [23:54:32] | wagnerrp: | ... something to configure |
| [23:54:39] | wagnerrp: | s/configure/consider/ |
| [23:55:23] | scant: | I was thinking about a VIA EPIA with HDMI if they exist as a frontend for HD stuff |
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| [23:55:48] | wagnerrp: | thats... a joke... right? |
| [23:56:02] | scant: | cause Unichrome II Pros support H.264 offloading I think |
| [23:56:21] | scant: | no I'm not joking |
| [23:56:35] | scant: | will it not work well? |
| [23:58:09] | wagnerrp: | well the mythtv users who used to use Epias have pretty much all given up |
| [23:58:17] | wagnerrp: | just not enough power |
| [23:58:19] | scant: | wagnerrp: thanks for the info |
| [23:58:30] | wagnerrp: | of course if the avc offloading works, that may change |
| [23:58:48] | scant: | wagnerrp: I thought the AVC offloading does work, it in fact doesn't? |
| [23:59:03] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [23:59:07] | wagnerrp: | never looked into it |
| [23:59:29] | scant: | wagnerrp: if Va IA EPIA w/HDMI that works with AVC offloading isn't available, then my next route is a MacMini for a frontend only for HD material, but I dunno |
| [23:59:44] | scant: | cause I want it to be tiny |
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