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[00:36:21] ajhtiredwolf: having problem with mythtv, for some reason about a third of the time i open "watch tv" the front end crashes. Also for some reason lirc doesnt seem to start automatically i have to run /etc/init.d/lirc restart and then start irxevent and irexec seperately, then if i use mythtv, it stops working again until i restart it
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[00:42:19] Dagmar: ajhtiredwolf: You have an nVidia card dont you
[00:42:34] ajhtiredwolf: I do
[00:42:43] Dagmar: ...and there's only a vanishingly small chance you should be using irxevent.
[00:42:59] ajhtiredwolf: its irexec that I need
[00:43:10] ajhtiredwolf: I use it to launch programs
[00:43:14] Dagmar: okay
[00:43:18] ajhtiredwolf: mythtv for instance :P
[00:43:33] Dagmar: Note these arguments --cpu=(yer cpu type) --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-ccache --enable-ivtv --disable-distcc --enable-lirc --enable-mmx --with-bindings=perl,python --enable-opengl-vsync
[00:43:44] Dagmar: Particularly the ones relating to XvMC and OpenGL.
[00:43:59] Dagmar: If you deviate from those, you expose problems with the nVidia binary driver which result in crashes.
[00:44:24] Dagmar: XvMC-OpenGL is the one you *really* don't want on
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[00:44:46] ajhtiredwolf: where would i put those arguments and im not using the open source nvidia driver
[00:45:58] wagnerrp_: those are configure arguments
[00:46:04] wagnerrp_: for when building from source
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[00:46:13] Dagmar: I don't do anything related to the "open source" driver.
[00:46:21] Dagmar: It has no hardware accelleration support.
[00:46:43] Dagmar: I'm assuming from your problem description you're using hte nVidia binary driver and you built MythTV yourself.
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[00:47:07] ajhtiredwolf: sorry i should clarify, no i got it from the package manager in ubuntu
[00:47:19] Dagmar: If you didn't build it, at least go through ALL the frontend configuration pages and turn off anything that looks like XvMC-OpenGL.
[00:48:03] ajhtiredwolf: alright sec let me make sure there arent any
[00:49:00] ajhtiredwolf: disable "Enable opengl vertical sync for timing" ?
[00:49:13] Dagmar: Use your head.
[00:49:43] ajhtiredwolf: come on man, im asking so I dont disable anything important and cause more problems
[00:50:05] Dagmar: ...and I'm not going to sit here and approve or disappove all of the zillions of configuration switches that can be set.
[00:50:20] Dagmar: That one specifically has a DIRECT ANALOGUE in the configure arguments I posted.
[00:50:25] ajhtiredwolf: i only mentioned one
[00:50:25] Dagmar: You shoudlnt' have to ask a question about it.
[00:50:37] Dagmar: One is more than I intend to answer.
[00:50:56] ajhtiredwolf: alright, never mind, does any one else know?
[00:50:56] Dagmar: Especially when I've already said something that *should* have indicated what the answer would be
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[01:11:53] andy____: anyone want to help me troubleshoot why I can't get my cable box to change channels via serial on mythbuntu?
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[01:16:23] wagnerrp: if you open up a terminal and try to access it yourself (i.e. minicom), can you change the channel?
[01:25:04] iamlindoro: he gone
[01:25:27] wagnerrp: so it would seem
[01:25:50] wagnerrp: love that patience
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[01:29:00] andreas_: he probably read the doialogue between Dagmar & ajhtiredwolf and then quickly decided to seek help somewhere else.
[01:29:41] orly_owl: He wasn't here that long.
[01:29:49] wagnerrp: he had joined after that
[01:30:10] andreas_: darn.
[01:30:23] Dagmar: Whine some more
[01:30:51] andreas_: Dagmar: you are not talking to me, are you?
[01:31:32] Dagmar: Is anyone else whining?
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[01:31:47] Dagmar: At least I had the courtesy to tell him I wasn't going to answer the same questions repatedly.
[01:31:52] wagnerrp: my computer hurts...!
[01:32:14] Dagmar: ...and at least I gave him *some* answers.
[01:33:31] andreas_: Dagmar: you are hilarous.
[01:34:01] Dagmar: At least I do more than just bitch
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[01:53:38] clev: yay!
[01:53:51] clev: mythtv totaly ignored 4 storage directorys with 5+ gig free EACH
[01:53:58] clev: and ran one down to 0 bytes
[01:54:29] Dagmar: Joy
[01:54:34] Dagmar: That might well be a bug you've found
[01:54:51] wagnerrp: it didnt stop recording? or try to expire old stuff?
[01:55:03] clev: wagnerrp: nope
[01:55:06] Dagmar: Yeah now would be a time to verify everything _very_ carefully
[01:55:14] clev: it started recording to the wrong storage group
[01:55:28] clev: why the hell do you record to a drive with 500mb free
[01:55:33] clev: when you have 4 drives with 5gig each
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[01:55:53] clev: i have 900mb of log here to pastebin!!!
[01:56:21] clev: 2008-10–10 22:51:31.167 TFW, Error: safe_write(): File I/O errcnt: 2 eno: No space left on device (28)
[01:56:25] clev: 2008-10–10 22:51:31.174 TFW: safe_write(): funky usleep
[01:56:35] clev: another bug, it repeats that error non stop until you do something about it, 5 hours later
[01:56:52] Dagmar: Hmm... .the usleep complaint is likely becuase of the out of space issue
[01:57:00] clev: simply deleting all .png files was enough to 'fix' things
[01:57:20] clev: it gave me 3mb which was enough for it to come back to life while i moved a larger file
[01:57:32] Dagmar: Might be that there's a mismatch between the per-volume directives and what it's deciding from looking at them
[01:57:52] Dagmar: I don't know if there's a built-in way to make it dump that info or if it'll have to be printf()'d in
[01:58:11] clev: it spews alot of info about the groups every now and when with the right -v's
[01:58:32] clev: i pastebin'ed it yesterday when it ran the drive down to 1gig but everybody ignored me
[01:58:54] clev: 2008-10–10 22:58:11.854 'Holmes on Homes' will record in '/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv' although there is only 153 MiB free and the AutoExpirer wants at least 6561 MiB. Something will have to be deleted or expired in order for this recording to complete successfully.
[01:59:16] Dagmar: Do those numbers say what they're supposed to?
[01:59:47] Dagmar: Exact matches shoudln't be necessary
[02:00:00] clev: ok, now it wants to screw itself AGAIN :P
[02:00:01] Dagmar: If one is off by a miniscule amount consider it "close enough"
[02:00:21] clev: o and guess what, i have 2gig in the 'Deleted' recording group!
[02:00:26] clev: why the hell didnt it delete them!
[02:00:32] Dagmar: Slow deletes on?
[02:00:36] clev: nope
[02:00:45] clev: it never recoreded to the volume with 2gig deleted
[02:00:51] clev: so it never thought to expire them
[02:01:00] clev: it went and recorded to the volume with 100mb free instead
[02:01:45] clev: it doesnt pick the dest for new recordings properly
[02:01:45] clev: and screws itself
[02:02:16] Dagmar: OKay so you gotta find out what it's thinking when it hits that decision point
[02:02:23] clev: yep
[02:03:33] clev: 2008-10–10 22:53:40.556 AutoExpire: Cardid 4: is starting a recording on an unknown fsID soon.
[02:03:48] Dagmar: Okay there's definitely a problem with the index
[02:03:51] clev: then it spews the info on every storage group on multiple lines
[02:03:59] clev: then a formated list
[02:04:10] Dagmar: Ooo that's probably useful
[02:04:20] clev: yeah, sending to pastebin
[02:04:47] clev: it the bloody thing will load:P
[02:05:00] clev: http://pastebin.com/d6da96648
[02:07:36] Dagmar: So, doesn't this phrase "73828 KB/min" stand out to you?
[02:07:51] clev: nope, it just picked a random number on its own it seems
[02:08:14] clev: i never set a number like that anywhere
[02:08:24] Dagmar: Well, it's kinda OMG-large but there's also "http://pastebin.com/d6da96648"
[02:08:30] Dagmar: er #
[02:08:30] Dagmar: 2008-10–10 22:53:44.663 Cardid 4: max bitrate 9843 Kb/sec, fsID 1 max is now 73828 KB/min
[02:08:48] clev: as far as i know, its allways been spewing that number
[02:09:07] clev: which is only ~70mb/min which is bearly even 3mb/sec
[02:09:24] Dagmar: Well, the problem is this...
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[02:09:28] Dagmar: Up above it shows: #
[02:09:29] Dagmar: 2008-10–10 22:53:44.137 Cardid 4: max bitrate 73828 KB/min
[02:09:51] Dagmar: Then down *below* it shows the much smaller 9843 Kb/sec
[02:10:08] clev: its also configured to not even go that fast
[02:10:11] Dagmar: I'd go find where those stringa are in the source and see what vars it's using to populate that
[02:10:18] clev: i think its set arround 1100kbyte/sec
[02:10:36] Dagmar: I think it's flat out reading the wrong part of a struct
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[02:10:44] clev: and my frontend wont even start right now so i cant delete shit
[02:10:45] clev: mythtv@media:/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv$ kill -9 `pidof mythbackend`
[02:10:48] clev: mythtv@media:/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv$ Killed
[02:10:51] clev: pid 28635 28635 status 35072 normal? 1, cont 49
[02:10:56] clev: gave the master backend a kick in the -9
[02:11:16] Dagmar: You should use -15 (by not specifying)
[02:11:22] Dagmar: -9 is "rude"
[02:11:54] Dagmar: i.e., -9 can't be hooked by an application that might need to say, _close filehandles properly_, logout of things, gracefully close sockets with remote processes, etc
[02:11:55] clev: ctrl+c doesnt usualy work on the frontend when its playing
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[02:12:06] clev: it just complains that its ungrabing the xv port and sits there
[02:12:16] clev: when -9 makes it ungrab just fine and instantly
[02:12:17] Dagmar: Using kill without an argument will send signal 15, which generally does the right thing.
[02:13:13] clev: there everything seems to be back up
[02:13:22] clev: except i still have 1.9gig free, which is way under the 6gig limit
[02:13:57] Dagmar: At the very least you should take that pastebin and go put it into trac as a bug report
[02:14:14] clev: the pastebin covers a section of the log after the crash
[02:14:17] clev: when it was recovering
[02:14:29] Dagmar: That the thing has two very dissimilar ideas about the max bitrate for the same card, and then screws up, is likely to turn on a light bulb for someone
[02:15:00] clev: im backing up and flushing the log atm
[02:15:07] clev: appending to a 900mb log cant be helping things
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[02:19:58] clev: now to skip from 2008-09–04 to 2008-10–10
[02:20:01] clev: this might take a month :P
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[02:23:12] clev: Dagmar: there, found today in the logs
[02:25:53] clev: 2008-10–10 17:59:31.978 'The Simpsons' will record in '/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv' although there is only 536 MiB free and the AutoExpirer wants at lea
[02:25:56] clev: st 6561 MiB. Something will have to be deleted or expired in order for this recording to complete successfully.
[02:26:11] clev: it knows something is horidly wrong and yet its continueing...
[02:26:25] clev: ahhhh
[02:26:27] clev: media:/media/videos/media/media2/mythtv
[02:26:29] clev: weight  : -19
[02:26:33] clev: free space  : 549392
[02:26:44] clev: the weight is forcing it to go with the horidly wrong choice
[02:27:03] clev: media:/media/redhat
[02:27:04] clev: weight  : 5
[02:27:05] clev: free space  : 7798160
[02:27:15] clev: instead of the one with 1gig over the limit free
[02:27:38] kormoc: clev, jesus christ... you've been warned and warned about flooding for christs sake...
[02:28:00] clev: im pasting a couple lines from the log
[02:28:05] clev: not the whole damn 900mb :P
[02:28:56] kormoc: clev, so? you know the channel rules say 3 lines or more, use a pastebin. that's it... 3 volleys of 3 lines is 9 lines...
[02:29:00] clev: and nobody else is talking atm
[02:29:04] kormoc: doesn't matter
[02:29:37] clev: i'll stop pasting if you help fix the problem :P
[02:29:59] kormoc: if you don't stop pasting, you'll be kicked...
[02:30:46] clev: now where is the weight for each storeage directory controled?
[02:31:41] iamlindoro: just go dumpster diving for more equipment as usual and RAID yourself together some MFM hard drives or something
[02:32:07] clev: iamlindoro: the problem is that i had plenty of space on my other storage groups, and it went and screwed itself on the full drive
[02:32:19] clev: even if i add more drives, it will just screw itself with the full one again
[02:32:45] iamlindoro: I'm aware of your problems, *all* of your hard drives are tiny by modern standards
[02:33:18] clev: i was going to buy the bigest drive i could afford, and by the time i got to the store to look at them, dad got a 320gig that he thought was large:P
[02:33:55] sphery: clev: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Storage_Groups_Weighting
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[02:34:29] clev: finaly an answer other then 'get moar drives!!!!!'
[02:34:49] sphery: clev: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5746
[02:35:43] sphery: I'm pretty sure, though, that someone else (Dagmar, perhaps) already gave you the right answer--read the long thread on the list about remote storage
[02:36:01] clev: id think it would need a patch, a drive thats below the autoexpire limit gets +20
[02:36:10] clev: just to push it out of the way
[02:36:31] clev: that way 'in use' drives dont force it into using a drive with 100mb free
[02:36:57] clev: using a 'in use' drive a little more is way better then using a drive thats about to overflow
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[03:51:47] nayfly: Hey guys... I've got mythtv setup and have run a scan for channels. It picks up all of my local channels, but when I try to tune into some, it doesn't get a 'lock'... I know that it isn't an issue with my tuner because the tuner picks up these channels fine in windows media center. Any ideas what the issue could be?
[03:51:56] nayfly: mythtv? the drivers for the tuner/
[03:51:59] nayfly: ?
[03:53:33] sphery: using the MythTV channel scanner, right?
[03:53:48] sphery: not importing from a channels.conf or anything
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[03:55:28] nayfly: yeh just using the mythtv scanner
[03:55:47] sphery: and what kind of digital TV do they have down there?
[03:56:16] nayfly: umm, it's Free to air, my tuner is DVB-T
[03:56:24] nayfly: is that what you mean?
[03:56:28] sphery: yeah
[03:57:12] sphery: and you're sure the capture card is properly configured and working in Linux (with firmware and all properly loading)
[03:57:12] nayfly: I'm updating to the latest mythtv, but I have my doubts that it will fix the prob :(
[03:57:29] sphery: latest 0.21-fixes, I hope?
[03:57:30] nayfly: yeh I can tune fine to other channels
[03:58:06] nayfly: there are 2 channels that have problems..... ABC and SBS
[03:58:15] nayfly: it's weird.
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[03:58:17] sphery: That's pretty much the extent of my knowledge of debugging digital TV
[03:58:44] nayfly: hehe no probs!
[03:58:47] sphery: may be that the channels are encrypted or just have "broken" streams
[03:58:47] nayfly: thanks anyway
[03:59:41] sphery: (I.e. broadcaster is sending out data that's not compliant with the spec--as are 99% of broadcasters. Myth handles some discrepancies, but doesn't do so well with others--those that haven't been seen/fixed, yet.)
[04:00:14] nayfly: I see. I suppose that could be it.....
[04:00:16] sphery: Might have better luck on mythtv-users mailing list. I've seen some discussion of tuning ABC in Australia (though I didn't read the threads because I'm a long way from there)
[04:01:17] sphery: I do recommend, though, sticking with -fixes. The trunk branch is unlikely to have any improvements and would just make your setup unlike most other users' setups, so you wouldn't be able to get much advice from them.
[04:01:35] nayfly: ok.
[04:01:46] pat__: what tuners do you have?
[04:02:14] Dagmar: I'll say it with less quibble. For the love of all that's holy stick with 0.21-fixes unless your very existance depends on trunk.
[04:02:16] nayfly: Well, I'm using the ubuntu package manager to update, so I'm not sure if it's the fixes version
[04:02:25] Dagmar: It should be at least *close* to that
[04:02:33] sphery: Dagmar: well said
[04:02:34] nayfly: I use a dvico fusion hdtv
[04:02:37] pat__: and can you watch tv with some other software under linux
[04:02:41] pat__: I'd try that first
[04:02:51] nayfly: what do you recommend?
[04:03:12] sphery: nayfly: Ubuntu uses -fixes for packages (though there are some bleeding/experimental/insane packages of trunk builds)
[04:03:57] pat__: kaffeine? I"m not sure what is available
[04:04:02] nayfly: what would be a good piece of software separate from mythtv to see if it can tune to ABC
[04:04:25] Dagmar: *maybe* TVTime
[04:04:26] sphery: the DVB-T version of azap
[04:04:34] Dagmar: I just don't know what all it can actually use.
[04:04:47] Dagmar: MPLayer might even be an option for all I know.
[04:04:59] sphery: the *zap just tunes, then you can just dump the data
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[04:06:05] nayfly: Hmm, I'll give it a try.
[04:06:09] Dagmar: We should really consider forking new channels with tuner types (ATSC, NTSC, QAM) embedded in the channel name
[04:06:21] Dagmar: ...for people with problems specific to their tuner type.
[04:06:48] sphery: which zap for DVB-T... perhaps tzap?
[04:07:05] sphery: zap brannigan?
[04:07:15] sphery: zapf chancery?
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[04:07:55] sphery: nayfly: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Tzap , I think
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[04:09:06] sphery: Dagmar: you would probably know this... All our wiki/mailing list posts tend to use cat to dump the MPEG. I've heard some say that you should use dd because cat isn't 8-bit safe. Is that true?
[04:09:22] Dagmar: Those people are smoking too much dope.
[04:09:27] sphery: lol
[04:09:33] Dagmar: Cat isn't going to read just four bits and stop.
[04:09:55] sphery: I've always wondered as I would think it wouldn't take a lot of MPEG-dumping to trigger 8-bit safety issues in a utility
[04:10:09] Dagmar: Various things in the terminal might not be "8-bit clean" but that's not going to affect cat.
[04:10:17] Dagmar: Less will fuck up large, but cat doesn't care.
[04:10:30] sphery: Oh, perhaps they were cat'ing to stdout, probably with tee ;)
[04:11:39] sphery: wanna do me a favor? I'm still stuck on the "spaces in zone ID's" thing... Do you get a difference between: TZ='America/Los_Angeles' date and TZ='America/Los Angeles' date
[04:12:07] sphery: for the latter, my system falls back to using UTC (the hardware clock time)
[04:12:35] Dagmar: There should be no difference
[04:12:59] sphery: Do you actually have a file '/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los Angeles'?
[04:13:36] RyeBrye: don't you need to escape the space?
[04:13:38] Dagmar: No, mine's got an underscore on at least two machines
[04:13:47] Dagmar: Depends on what you're handing that to.
[04:13:52] RyeBrye: /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Los\ Angeles
[04:13:56] RyeBrye: ?
[04:13:57] Dagmar: The filename is pretty much just window dressing anyway
[04:14:06] sphery: RyeBrye: with the quotes I used, it would work
[04:14:09] Dagmar: BTW, symlinking /etc/localtime to there is subtly wrong
[04:14:14] RyeBrye: oh, gotcha
[04:14:22] Dagmar: ...because anything that tries to use that BEFORE /var is mounted will get ratehr snippy about it
[04:15:12] sphery: not to mention that someone trying to change the time zone by cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/<whatever> /etc/localtime will blow away 'America/Los_Angeles' or whatever
[04:15:36] Dagmar: Yep
[04:15:47] Dagmar: Ah, now I see why they've stoped using timezone abbreviations
[04:15:51] Dagmar: They're not specific enough.
[04:15:57] sphery: though for packaging, the symlink is easier because it means you're always using the most up-to-date version of the zone rules
[04:16:10] Dagmar: Eastern Standard Time (for instance) collides with European Summer Time (both are EST)
[04:16:52] sphery: BST = Bangladesh Standard Time and British Summer Time
[04:17:04] nayfly: hey, what is the minimum signal strength allowed for mythtv to add a channel to its channels list?
[04:17:29] sphery: And, zone abbrev's don't say anything about how the rules are applied (when the DST change occurs for any particular year, etc.)
[04:17:54] Dagmar: Well, if you've got the right time zone they do
[04:18:11] Dagmar: ...although this last change in the US made the rules even more complex.
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[04:19:07] RyeBrye: My digital audio out kind of has a funky modulation to it... any ideas what would cause that?
[04:19:17] sphery: you have to have a geographically-based rule database (like zoneinfo/tz/Olsen database) to see how they're applied... Think Ohio (and the counties that didn't have DST until last year)
[04:19:22] wagnerrp: i dare say 'standard time' trumps over 'summer time', always
[04:19:41] ** sphery votes to abolish time zones and just use UTC everywhere **
[04:19:52] sphery: I want to have breakfast at 11:00am
[04:20:04] sphery: Oh, and no DST, either
[04:20:13] wagnerrp: UTC is a bit hasty... but daylight savings could be made gone
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[04:20:31] Dagmar: UTC hasty?
[04:20:54] wagnerrp: well, batshit crazy
[04:21:22] wagnerrp: it takes a special person, or a brit, to want to make the world UTC
[04:21:37] sphery: I'm not British, so I must be...
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[04:22:33] RyeBrye: UTC everywhere? never gonna happen
[04:26:20] RyeBrye: I wonder if it's playing back 44 Khz audio at 48 Khz then continually reshifting it to match the video?
[04:26:26] RyeBrye: (my digital audio modulation)
[04:27:03] wagnerrp: seems a bad way to do things
[04:27:29] wagnerrp: audio resampling is fairly trivial, if lossy
[04:30:20] RyeBrye: I think it would be ALSA that is doing it. I'll have to look into it more
[04:31:11] RyeBrye: the pith sounds slightly higher, but slightly modulated. Although if I use just plain /dev/dsp as my output device the pitch is way lower... but stll at the correct timing with the video
[04:33:08] sphery: plain /dev/dsp is probably using the plug plugin to do automatic rate conversion
[04:33:18] RyeBrye: maybe I'll just screw the HDMI and just do DVI and a stereo audio to the TV hookup for now, since I don't have a surround sound setup here anyway
[04:33:19] sphery: using an ALSA device specifier, you can override that
[04:33:50] RyeBrye: Yeah, the alsa:sdpif or alsa:digital have the higher-pitched modulation thing... but perhaps I can adjust those outputs?
[04:33:53] sphery: (which is the opposite of what you're trying to do, but I mean you can accidentally override that)
[04:34:17] sphery: alsa:spdif will always (OK, never say 'always') be 48kHz
[04:34:40] sphery: alsa:digital, if using the asoundrc from the wiki would use the plug plugin
[04:34:54] RyeBrye: Ah, gotcha
[04:35:14] RyeBrye: I haven't tweaked my asourndrc yet – so maybe if I use those settings I can use plug to adjust it?
[04:36:10] sphery: "those settings" = asoundrc from wiki, then yes
[04:36:34] sphery: though you'll probably need to use alsa:spdif for AC-3/DTS passthrough
[04:37:10] sphery: so just specify ALSA:digital for audio output device and ALSA:spdif for passthrough output device
[04:37:37] RyeBrye: Ah, good
[04:37:59] sphery: note, though, that an asoundrc isn't required... It says so in the wiki, so it must be true...
[04:38:03] RyeBrye: I don't use AC3 or DTS right now, since I don't have a surround setup yet – and when I enabled it, I don't think my TV had an AC3 or DTS decoder
[04:38:11] RyeBrye: (I had no sound when I enabled it)
[04:40:35] sphery: Chances are the TV has a decoder but either a) your audio setup wasn't right (usually the switches on the sound card that need to be set through alsamixer) or b) the sound card didn't output the appropriate IEC958 status bits (Myth doesn't attempt to do so) and your TV's decoder didn't cope well or something to that effect
[04:40:59] RyeBrye: Ah, gotcha
[04:41:22] RyeBrye: I may not have had it set on alsa:spdif when I tried
[04:41:43] sphery: I'm just guessing the TV would have a decoder as I would think all HDTV TV's would (since they have to have a decoder for ATSC they're receiving, it wouldn't take much wiring to allow AC-3 input, too)
[04:43:02] sphery: even with ALSA:spdif, there are switches that have to be set right (i.e. the ones where people who don't know what they're talking about say, "For some stupid reason I have to set the IEC958 volume to 0 to get sound output. When I put it at 100%, it's quiet.")
[04:43:17] sphery: those aren't volumes, they're switches  :)
[04:43:32] RyeBrye: it's possible that the sound card doesn't have the IEC958 bit set correctly... but that's interesting to note taht
[04:44:06] sphery: not worth worrying about, though, until you decide to use AC-3/DTS passthrough.  :)
[04:44:50] RyeBrye: The audio card I have it on my motherboard, it's an AD2000B – which is basically a rebranded AD1998B or something.
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[04:47:38] RyeBrye: I had to patch my kernel to get it to work.
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[06:44:31] Neeesat2: Good Morning
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[06:45:11] AlNahar: hi
[06:45:16] AlNahar: anyone around?
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[06:45:24] Neeesat2: I am
[06:45:53] AlNahar: oh n/m, i got it
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[06:50:29] wagnerrp: seems he didnt want to talk to you
[06:50:31] wagnerrp: :P
[06:53:43] Neeesat2: yep
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[07:18:34] nuonguy: does anyone use pulseaudio with mythtv?
[07:18:55] nuonguy: I'm thinking of solving all of my sound problems by saying "yum remove \*pulseaudio\* ...
[07:19:01] nuonguy: bad idea?
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[08:52:09] hume: hi.. is there a way to configure mythmusic to display the folders, rather than artist/album etc info (which I guess comes from ID3-tags)
[08:53:13] purserj: rewriting the underlying code?
[08:53:33] hume: purserj, that for me?
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[08:54:07] purserj: yeah, AFAIK you can't do sorting by folders
[08:54:17] hume: ok..:(
[08:54:38] hume: got some 100 GB, and tags are not very good in many of them, always use folders instead
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[09:46:18] anykey_: hm, I'm having problems connecting my TV to the HDMI output of my HTPC: I extracted the exact modeline from the xorg logfile (it all works on HDMI2 input), but now xorg says: "(II) intel(0): Not using mode "1920x1080_tv" (height too large for virtual size)"... any idea?
[09:47:33] orly_owl: you might need to adjust VRAM allocation on the BIOS. that might only apply to onboard video though
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[09:47:54] anykey_: it is an onboard intel IGP, how can I do that?
[09:48:06] anykey_: directly in the bios?
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[09:49:00] orly_owl: yeah check the bios
[09:49:07] anykey_: but... if the problem is the BIOS, why does it work on the HDMI2 input of the TV?
[09:49:52] orly_owl: what? the tv has two HDMI inputs?
[09:50:05] anykey_: three actually
[09:50:19] anykey_: but only the first one will accept audio via analogue jacks, so I need to use that one...
[09:53:01] anykey_: What I noticed too is that the first HDMI port reports different EDID-Data than the second one... Don't know why...
[10:04:00] gbee: analogue audio jacks on my tv never worked :( luckily HDMI audio did
[10:05:10] anykey_: the jacks work, if I power up on HDMI2 and then switch the connection to HDMI1, it all works, but you know... not that cool...
[10:06:23] gbee: what brand/model?
[10:06:35] anykey_: Toshiba 40ZF355
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[10:21:21] anykey_: the exact error is this line in the log
[10:21:21] anykey_: (II) intel(0): Not using mode "1920x1080-HDMI2" (height too large for virtual size)
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[11:01:34] tank-man: try looking in your xorg.conf configuration file and look for a line that is smaller than 1920x1080
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[11:03:25] orly_owl: im not sure a video card will do 16:9 resolutions. try 1920x1200
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[11:18:19] anykey_: it will, I fixed it
[11:18:52] anykey_: if you put the Option "Monitor-TMDS-1" into the Screen section, you get the error, if in the device section, it works...
[11:18:58] anykey_: this is my xorg.conf now: http://pastebin.com/m32c1a1e7
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[11:24:01] c0p3rn1c: is there anyone on here who got a pinnacle pctv stereo card to work?
[11:26:10] c0p3rn1c: or a saa7134 card
[11:27:43] gbee: framegrabber?
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[11:36:58] c0p3rn1c: can you use tvtime and mythtv on the same system?
[11:39:06] c0p3rn1c: dmesg contains " Pinnacle PCTV Stereo (saa7134) [card=26,insmod option]" does this mean I installed my drivers correctly?
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[11:44:57] gbee_: does /dev/video exist?
[11:45:56] ** gbee_ has never used a framegrabber so isn't going to be much help setting one up **
[11:47:35] c0p3rn1c: /dev/video doesnt exist :S
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[11:47:52] c0p3rn1c: video0 does
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[11:48:45] c0p3rn1c: scantv says /dev/vbi doesnt exit
[11:49:11] c0p3rn1c: vbi: open failed [/dev/vbi]
[11:49:52] c0p3rn1c: and again vbi0 does exist
[11:50:02] c0p3rn1c: ok going to try it with vbi0
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[11:51:09] c0p3rn1c: it works!
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[11:54:20] c0p3rn1c: so this means mythtv should work too
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[11:56:58] gbee_: yes
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[12:02:38] C0p3rn11: I can't find the Channel Listings dialog
[12:04:24] gbee_: sweet, urpmi finally has orphan removal support
[12:04:57] gbee_: C0p3rn11: Manage Recording > Schedule Recordings > Programme Guide
[12:07:29] C0p3rn11: gbee, shouldnt I scan for tv channels in my backend first?
[12:08:50] C0p3rn11: gbee_: I'm now in the channel editor, but the button "channel scanner" is disabled
[12:13:55] gbee_: oh right, yeah you need to setup channels and listings data first, but like I said I'm no framegrabber expert so I've no idea the setup proceedure
[12:14:20] gbee_: not even sure whether you can scan with framegrabbers
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[13:17:27] C0p3rn11: I can't get a picture or sound in mythtv, its mostly green and scrambled
[13:17:45] C0p3rn11: I'm currently trying v4l-conf
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[13:30:31] justinh: C0p3rn1c: you can't use mythtv & tvtime on the same system, because mythbackend always wants the tuner card
[13:30:59] justinh: to use tvtime on that tuner you'd have to stop mythbackend
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[13:32:06] simoo: Hi, I have a Nova-T DVB card and myth-setup is detecting it as a PC-HDTV card, is that normal?
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[13:34:02] justinh: mythtv doesn't 'detect' anything
[13:34:12] justinh: set the card type to DVB in mythtv-setup
[13:35:16] C0p3rn1c: justinh: ah ok, mythtv finds some channels, but they all come up green an scrambled
[13:35:40] C0p3rn1c: justinh: any idea's on how to fix this?
[13:35:44] simoo: justinh: Thanks but "frontend ID could not open card"
[13:35:48] justinh: do they work in tvtime? if not, give up on mythtv for now until you get a good picture
[13:36:11] justinh: simoo: make sure the user you run mythtv-setup as has permission to open the card
[13:36:25] justinh: simoo: usually part of the 'video' group
[13:36:35] C0p3rn1c: justinh: ok
[13:36:46] ** C0p3rn1c is looking on how to stop the service **
[13:36:51] simoo: I am running myth-setup as root and it was working before I upgraded the kernel
[13:37:24] simoo: maybe I have not configured the kernel correctly, is there a frontend section?
[13:38:02] justinh: simoo: you should be selecting the card type DVB in mythtv-setup
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[13:38:44] simoo: justinh: I am, and if finds nothing, although dmesg lists it all ok
[13:38:49] C0p3rn12: my pc crashed again
[13:38:58] C0p3rn12: I did stop the backend
[13:39:00] C0p3rn12: first
[13:39:15] gbee_: simoo: ls /dev/dvb
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[13:39:42] gbee_: err, ls -l /dev/dvb
[13:39:52] simoo: gbee: no such file or directory
[13:40:10] gbee_: ok it's a driver problem
[13:40:17] simoo: I have left somethig out of the kernel havn't I
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[13:41:52] gbee_: if you've built your own kernel then yes
[13:42:14] gbee_: personally I'd not bother with building your own, but I guess you have your reasons
[13:43:03] simoo: yeah, I am on Gentoo so I have, it's a Myth box that I have been using for years (way before Mythbuntu etc was around)
[13:43:31] simoo: do I need the Connexant frontend modules?
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[13:44:17] gbee_: no clue but just add all the dvb modules, easier than playing guessing games :)
[13:44:28] simoo: ok :)
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[13:46:23] justinh: so it adds half an hour compile time. pfft :)
[13:46:48] gbee_: this is why I don't like Gentoo, to save 0.000001% of disk space you waste hours of your time
[13:48:07] simoo: the good thing is that I never have to re-install the whole system though, to be fair this is the first time I have touched it for over a year.
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[13:51:05] gbee_: you don't have to reinstall with any other modern distro, I've just upgraded from Mandriva 2008 to 2009 by package upgrades alone
[13:52:48] simoo: In the past I havn't been so lucky, an Ubuntu upgrade broke my system about 6 months ago. To be honest though I do just kinda like using Gentoo
[13:54:29] simoo: You run Myth from mandrivia then? How do you find it, I havn't used it since it was Mandrake! ... it was my first Linux distro..
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[13:57:20] justinh: to be fair to ubuntu, I havent really touched it much since I installed it when er... how old is gutsy now?
[13:58:09] justinh: but then I always build myth from source, since I know what I'm doing & I like to be in control. I don't like any of that smartass debconf stuff
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[14:00:08] simoo: Yeah I like to build from source
[14:01:02] C0p3rn1c: justinh: tvtime also crashes on my system when I stop the mythtv-backend
[14:01:07] gbee_: I love Mandriva, IMHO it makes Ubuntu look crap in comparison
[14:01:23] simoo: wow, fightin talk
[14:01:35] gbee_: there is no question that it's a newbie friendly distro
[14:01:48] simoo: cool
[14:01:52] C0p3rn1c: any trouble shouting tips?
[14:04:03] gbee_: simoo: heh, well last time I tried Ubuntu (decided to install it on a new laptop for my parents because of it's newbie friendly reputation) I was still struggling to get a couple of things working after two days, including the wifi – so I went back to Mandriva which worked 100% out of the box
[14:05:05] gbee_: I've used Mandrake (Mandriva) since way back, before which Red Hat and a couple of others
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[14:05:40] gbee_: I've tried other distros along the way, but end up back with Mandriva for a variety of reasons
[14:06:07] C0p3rn1c: gbee_: how about laptop support?
[14:06:26] simoo: It's really just swings and roundabouts, many years ago I left Mandrake because suse work out the box. Now I am firmly an Arch man for my desktop
[14:06:26] justinh: C0p3rn1c: if tvtime is crashing your box. UHOH
[14:07:05] gbee_: C0p3rn1c: installed here on three laptops, no issues
[14:07:18] justinh: C0p3rn1c: I'd be looking at your video drivers if I were you, or contemplating giving up. a tv viewer app which blits frames over the pci bus shouldn't be crashing the machine
[14:07:41] C0p3rn1c: gbee_: cool, maybe I'll try it
[14:08:16] gbee_: not on this machine, because it's a netbook and although I expect Mandriva can be tuned to get the same performance, the pre-installed manufacturer custom distro has a great boot time (17 seconds)
[14:08:28] C0p3rn1c: justinh: bin looking a few days now :S
[14:09:40] C0p3rn1c: justinh: it's strange that channel searching does work
[14:09:44] C0p3rn1c: so I must be close
[14:09:54] justinh: one of the main problems with framegrabber cards is that the 'bt878' generic type has hundreds of different permutations & is (in my experience) seldom autodetected properly
[14:10:30] justinh: C0p3rn1c: is any kind of video playback possible on that machine?
[14:10:34] C0p3rn1c: justinh: I don't know what framegrabber is but I diden't do autodetect
[14:10:47] justinh: framegrabber == ACME TV tuner card
[14:10:54] C0p3rn1c: C0p3rn1c: yes
[14:11:16] justinh: cheap ass, nasty, cheap, lame. no hardware encoding.
[14:11:47] C0p3rn1c: check =)
[14:12:32] justinh: what kind of VGA card do you have? nvidia/ati/intel/other ?
[14:12:40] C0p3rn1c: nvidia
[14:12:48] C0p3rn1c: it's working perfectly
[14:12:50] justinh: running binary nvidia drivers?
[14:12:55] C0p3rn1c: nope
[14:13:00] justinh: you should be
[14:13:01] C0p3rn1c: I mean yes
[14:13:11] C0p3rn1c: I thought you said beta
[14:13:43] justinh: well then the only other probable cause is the tuner card driver... and like I said.. anything like that crashing the machine is bad voodoo
[14:13:53] C0p3rn1c: I compiz fusion running
[14:14:01] C0p3rn1c: I have*
[14:14:02] justinh: bleh
[14:14:15] justinh: tvtime needs video overlay to work AFAIK
[14:14:26] justinh: but even so, crashing the box?! BAD VOODOO
[14:14:35] C0p3rn1c: uhu :)
[14:14:41] justinh: if it sounds like I'm about to give up on you, you'd be right
[14:14:51] C0p3rn1c: are there also cards with mp4 hw encoders?
[14:14:58] justinh: only one
[14:15:07] justinh: and it's not a card, it's a USB attached box
[14:15:14] C0p3rn1c: are they supported?
[14:15:41] justinh: can't remember what sort they are, but they work
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[14:15:57] justinh: adaptec something or other IIRC
[14:16:29] justinh: oops. plextor convertx
[14:16:37] janneg: some of the plextor devices should work and the hauppsuge hd pvr too
[14:16:54] janneg: later only with trunk and unstable drivers
[14:17:04] justinh: the hdpvr from hauppauge is h.264 though, not strictly mpeg4 as such
[14:17:13] C0p3rn1c: hmmz
[14:17:31] justinh: and rather expensive if all you want to do is grab SDTV with it. and it has no tuner onboard
[14:18:12] C0p3rn1c: ic
[14:19:17] gbee_: ugh, already I hate KDE4
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[14:20:03] janneg: I think the plextor devices also miss the tuner
[14:20:56] C0p3rn1c: Plextor ConvertX PVR PX-TV402U has hw mp4 encoding + tuner
[14:21:25] janneg: and h264 is mpeg4 just a different part than mpeg4 ala xvid...
[14:21:36] janneg: ah, I didn't know that
[14:22:22] jams: gbee_- those feelings are common
[14:22:56] C0p3rn1c: No closed caption suppor
[14:23:08] simoo: Ah got it! I2C needs to be enabled
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[14:25:18] r3z`: Can anyone recommend a great dual tuner ATSC PCI?
[14:25:32] r3z`: I am thinking about the Hauppauge hvr1600
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[14:26:01] r3z: THis will be for over the air broadcasts :)
[14:28:08] stuartm: jams: can't do any of the desktop customisation that I used to have, stupid thing won't even let me move the clock, keeps snapping back to the centre of the panel >:(
[14:35:35] stuartm: can't change the panel icon sizes and resizing the vertical height of the panel just pushes the icons off screen, it's _slow_
[14:36:27] justinh: mmmmmmmbut kde4 is teh shiney!
[14:37:27] stuartm: still haven't figured out how I can add application shortcuts to a panel, and at this point I'm out just trying to get my desktop back the way I like it
[14:37:31] C0p3rn1c: the convertx install isnt that easy too
[14:37:46] stuartm: nevermind whatever other hassle this new kde is going to cause me :(
[14:38:23] stuartm: shiny's fine, but why did they mess with the basics?
[14:38:57] justinh: the same could be said of XBMC too :\
[14:40:27] stuartm: ok, found out that you have to add applications by right clicking on their entries in the main menus – why can't it be done from the panel instead?
[14:40:32] ** stuartm is now grumpy **
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[14:46:23] stuartm: even dislike the fact that they changed the kmail icon and that it's impossible to tell what it's supposed to be at 16x16 – ok so the last icon wasn't great but at least it was distinctive
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[14:48:22] mchou: gbee: I removed kde4 from my 2009.0. reverted back to kde3
[14:48:46] mchou: gbee: just couldnt get anything done on the new box
[14:49:15] mchou: kde4 is just super lame
[14:50:35] mchou: r3z: I'd avoid hvr1600
[14:50:54] mchou: r3z: either the driver or HW has serious issues
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[14:51:28] mchou: r3z: digital side is rather problematic on that card
[14:52:19] justinh: I think I know what bugs me most aboue KDE
[14:52:27] justinh: so many apps names start with the letter K
[14:54:05] directhex: the kde app i have most experience with does
[14:54:11] directhex: it's called KCrashHandler
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[15:02:58] gbee: heh
[15:03:41] gbee: I liked kde3 and I think I still prefer kde4 over gnome, stablity has never been a problem
[15:03:52] gbee: but whatever works for you
[15:04:13] justinh: maybe apps whose names start with K crash less on KDE
[15:04:33] justinh: I like Kate but by god it doesn't half spew error messages out all the time
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[15:26:55] wagnerrp: you should see all the extra garbage it spews when you run it from the terminal
[15:27:24] justinh: that's what I mean :)
[15:27:51] wagnerrp: ah, i thought you were talking about the crash dialog
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[15:32:53] justinh: never seen it crash much. not compared to other apps
[15:33:56] goreguts: I have a hdhomerun, one cable input and one antenna. I got it set up to proritize the cable input for recording, but when i choose watch tv it chooses antenna
[15:34:04] goreguts: does anyone know how i can change that?
[15:34:31] wagnerrp: does myth default to the lower numbered tuner?
[15:34:40] goreguts: yes
[15:34:44] goreguts: well, thats what it looks like
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[15:34:54] justinh: yep
[15:35:07] wagnerrp: flip the inputs, flip the sources, flip the priorities
[15:35:26] wagnerrp: ...looking for an easier way...
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[15:35:48] goreguts: i figured there would be a setting somewhere I missed
[15:36:05] jams: perhaps the setting to avoid conflicts with live-tv would help
[15:37:37] goreguts: ok i'll look for that
[15:39:51] goreguts: shouldn't the av input button switch between the two inputs for that channe?
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[15:56:24] styelz: i want my mythtv
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[16:32:47] kormoc_: hrm
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[16:33:12] kormoc: my frontend keeps locking up after a hour or two on the main menu with current trunk
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[16:41:58] justinh: uhoh. V to be 're-imagined'
[16:44:13] PinkFreud: V?
[16:45:09] PinkFreud: oh, *that* V?
[16:45:20] jams: yes V
[16:45:47] kormoc: why?
[16:47:46] jams: same reason they did knight rider
[16:47:52] PinkFreud: no, wasn't sure what he was talking about initially
[16:48:13] kormoc: ugh
[16:49:18] styelz: whats next, Buck Rogers?
[16:49:59] jams: i think the A-TEAM will happen before Buck Rogers
[16:50:23] PinkFreud: lol
[16:50:29] styelz: ah, thought they did that already
[16:50:43] PinkFreud: who is helming it?
[16:50:46] justinh: why can't they just _imagine_ something new?
[16:51:26] justinh: PinkFreud: allegedly the guy who came up with the 4400
[16:52:11] justinh: the original miniseries wasn't bad, but it went all space-soap when it got a proper series
[16:52:36] PinkFreud: yeah, The 4400 had promise.
[16:52:47] PinkFreud: ... sadly, that's about all it had
[16:52:50] iamlindoro: There is no V without Michael Ironside
[16:53:54] PinkFreud: as for why they can't imagine something new – it's fashionable to ruin perfectly good stories from decades past nowadays.
[16:54:09] PinkFreud: ... and besides, Hollywood has no imagination.
[16:54:10] PinkFreud: :)
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[17:02:28] ajhtiredwolf: im having a problem with mythtv, about every other time that i try and watch tv it will hang for a while and then say "can't connect to the master back end server is it running?"
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[17:21:23] iamlindoro: I give up, there's just no way to keep up with all this TV-- some of these series are getting deferred until the hiatus or summertime to watch
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[17:35:22] shiftplusone: Hello, I have got mythtv working almost perfectly... could you please help me with a little problem?
[17:35:27] Lexridge: anyone know why when using the tuner of either of my cards, I have a perfect image/sound. When using the S-VHS a/v input from my Dish Network receiver, I get major stuttering and momentary freezing. I have messed with recording profiles until I'm blue in the face. :(
[17:35:49] shiftplusone: When I try to change the channel... I can't, 'cause the previous channel is still being recorded... so then I am told the tuner is in use or something...
[17:38:22] shiftplusone: nobody knows why this happens, i am not giving enough details or is nobody there?
[17:44:07] shiftplusone: Think when I change the channel mythtv doesn't delete delete the old nuv file and just keeps the channel turned on while the frontend goes back to the menu... so when I try to watch tv again the tuner is in use.
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[17:46:03] Lexridge: 105
[17:46:16] Lexridge: opps, wrong window. :D
[17:48:30] Lexridge: shiftplusone: Check your backend status, and see if your tuner is actually recording.
[17:49:39] shiftplusone: How do I check the backend status?
[17:50:09] Lexridge: shiftplusone: do you have mythweb installed? that is the easiest way.
[17:50:45] shiftplusone: Hang on... will install it now.
[17:53:44] Lexridge: you can also goto "information center/system status
[17:53:51] Lexridge: from mythfrontend, that is
[17:54:10] Lexridge: or....http://mythbackendIP:6544/
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[17:54:27] shiftplusone: There's Tuner status... which says it's watching live tv...
[17:54:43] Lexridge: you should be able to change channels then
[17:54:54] shiftplusone: " Encoder 1 is local on desk and is watching Live TV: 'Weatherwatch Overnight' on 31. This recording will end at 5:00 AM."
[17:55:17] Lexridge: so one of your tuners is indeed recording....is this the one your are watching?
[17:55:46] shiftplusone: If I try to watch tv it says "MythTV is using all available inputs for the channel you selected"
[17:56:14] shiftplusone: so whenever I try to change the channel, it keeps recording the current channel, which doesn't let me switch to anything else...
[17:56:34] Lexridge: try rebooting your backend. I have had this happen before and a reboot has fixed it......UNLESS, this is a scheduled recording...in that case, it will immediatly start recording again.
[17:56:48] shiftplusone: nuh, not scheduled.
[17:56:50] Lexridge: try manually switching your input card.
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[17:57:11] Lexridge: type M, then Switch Input
[17:57:14] t0vig: anyone here tried cross-compiling mythTV?
[17:57:47] shiftplusone: Lexridge, hey, thanks I restarted the backend and it works now.
[17:57:55] Lexridge: cool!
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[17:58:44] Lexridge: now, if only someone could help me find a solution to my S-VHS input issue :(
[17:59:05] sphery: gbee: I'm starting to worry... I've actually seen two posts on -users since yesterday that provided --version output in response to questions about what version was being used...
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[17:59:20] sphery: gbee: now what will you do with all your time?
[18:00:30] gbee: heh
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[18:05:02] shiftplusone: so if the backend is recording something in the background... and I run the frontend and try to watch TV, will it the backend stop recording for a while or will it not allow me to watch tv?
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[18:11:38] sphery: shiftplusone: if all capture cards are in use, you'll be told that upon trying to enter LiveTV.
[18:11:53] sphery: Then youcan either watch a recording or an in-progress recording.
[18:12:10] sphery: hmm too late
[18:12:33] ** kormoc sighs **
[18:12:43] kormoc: people who expect instant replies are awesome
[18:12:52] sphery: :)
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[18:18:22] laga_: yummy, root beer
[18:18:30] ** stuarta beers laga_ **
[18:18:34] laga_: \o/
[18:18:51] stuarta: kormoc: take more than 5 mins to get to the airport
[18:21:26] Lexridge: shiftplusone: It should automatically switch to whatever tuner card is not in use.
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[18:24:18] kormoc: stuarta, heh, yeah, I know :P
[18:25:24] stuarta: maybe one day.....
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[19:03:06] gbee: ffs, plasma is a joke – displaying the seconds on the clock pushed X cpu usage up to a constant 8%
[19:03:55] gbee: even mythui does better than that, without optimisations, when scrolling text across the whole screen
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[19:04:55] gbee: how can redrawing a 20x20 area of the screen once a second cost a full 8%?
[19:06:53] sphery: Playing with SVG support?
[19:07:01] kormoc: they decided to make use of the high speed L1 cpu cache, so they take that screen, carve it up to 8k chunks, toss it to L1, flushing the pipe line, figure out if it's to be updated, push it back out, continue on with the next 8k chunk of screen, flushing the pipeline each time, of course.
[19:07:33] sphery: or perhaps the OpenGL support in Qt...
[19:07:45] stuarta: that's horrible
[19:08:47] stuarta: anyone for beer?
[19:08:47] gbee: plasma is supposed to be using opengl, but compiz is faster than this on the same hardware and the effects there are far more impressive
[19:09:12] gbee: stuarta: aye, cheers
[19:09:24] ** stuarta beers gbee **
[19:09:27] ** stuarta beers self **
[19:10:03] kormoc: ooh, so I think my lockups on mythfrontend aren't actually lockups, but just really pegged and it's tossing out 50 of http://pastebin.com/m11b0e5d4 or so before my remote actually responds
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[19:10:23] kormoc: but only if it's sat on a menu a fair while before I try to press a key
[19:10:24] gbee: well I'm otherwise impressed by 2009, but plasma leaves me cold
[19:11:20] ** sphery always knew gbee was a man ahead of his time... **
[19:11:30] gbee: don't think I'll have much problem telling Aaron that when I next see him
[19:11:34] sphery: (I know, you mean Mandriva 2009 or whatever...)
[19:12:36] kormoc: sphery, I'm impressed that he has enough temperature tolerance that plasma leaves him cold :P
[19:12:59] sphery: lol
[19:13:20] sphery: he is a superman when it comes to coding
[19:13:58] kormoc: so I'm bout to head up to Vancouver, so I'll have to code up the timezone stuff this next week
[19:14:26] stuarta: um, i musta missed something, what is plasma? some new funky bling graphics crap?
[19:14:51] sphery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(KDE)
[19:15:49] gbee: it's the new desktop rendering stuff for KDE 4
[19:16:00] stuarta: thanks.
[19:16:12] ** stuarta reads the wiki page and fails to be excited **
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[19:17:24] sphery: kormoc: no hurry on the DST stuff--we're unlikely to see any new issues until Nov 8.  ;)
[19:17:35] sphery: Or, perhaps that's Nov 1...
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[19:19:58] gbee: stuarta: this sort of stuff doesn't get me very excited either, in fact I tend to view a lot of it as being pretty pointless, I've got plasma because I upgraded to kde 4 but I suspect that over time I'll disable most of it's features
[19:20:28] stuarta: yeah, i can't be arsed with compviz et al
[19:20:49] gbee: just like I and many other people have done with compiz, great for a week, a month or maybe six months, but everyone ends up disabling much of it eventually
[19:21:19] laga_: and everyone was so excited about it
[19:21:20] sphery: Compiz: the poster-child of "Because we can"
[19:21:28] laga_: like, it's something we need because vista has it
[19:21:44] laga_: and it was broken in so many ways in the beginning
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[19:26:13] Led-Hed: anyone here using 1TB or 1.5TB SATA drives?
[19:26:58] cesman: yes
[19:27:07] ** cesman has 3 1TB drives **
[19:27:13] gbee: no, but I'm curious to know why you ask
[19:27:14] Led-Hed: cesman, hows their reliability?
[19:27:19] cesman: very
[19:27:26] Led-Hed: cesman, what brand?
[19:27:27] cesman: no problems so far
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[19:27:33] cesman: WD
[19:27:37] cesman: the green ones
[19:27:49] Led-Hed: cesman, who long you had them?
[19:28:06] ** cesman cannot recall... **
[19:28:23] cesman: The oldest is about 6 or 7 months
[19:28:37] cesman: the other 2, I got a month later
[19:28:58] Led-Hed: ok, thanks. The reviews on NewEgg Scare me. High failure rates on 1TB drives
[19:29:42] cesman: you're welcome
[19:29:48] cesman: good luck
[19:29:53] Led-Hed: those the ones that have a variable RPM?
[19:29:55] Led-Hed: thanks
[19:30:26] cesman: http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=336
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[19:33:38] Led-Hed: cesman, sorry to nag, Do you have problems with them going to sleep?
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[19:33:47] laga_: gbee: mandriva can't afford their own pastebin?
[19:34:10] kormoc: Led-Hed, check out the WD black's, their much more reliable and not much more
[19:34:18] kormoc: Led-Hed, also double the cache
[19:34:22] ** Led-Hed had a pastebin. It got spammed every 30 sec so he took it down.  :) **
[19:34:22] ** cesman has had _no_ issues either any of the 3 drives **
[19:35:12] Led-Hed: the Seagate 1.5's are tempting. 3TB RAID 5 for under $400
[19:35:52] gbee: laga_: heh, they probably have one, I just don't happen to know the url offhand and pastebin.ca is down
[19:36:49] ** cesman wonders where Led-Hed has been the 1.5 TB Seagates for less than $125... **
[19:37:08] Led-Hed: Newegg has them for $129
[19:38:01] Led-Hed: I'm willing to pay a few extra bucks for neweggs easy return process and fast shipping.
[19:38:10] cesman: hmmm
[19:38:38] ** cesman thinks Led-Hed has a special version of newegg ;) **
[19:38:48] cesman: $189.99 here...
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[19:39:39] Led-Hed: LOL, U would be correct. Been looking at drives all morning. Must have got the price confused.
[19:40:42] cesman: Led-Hed: http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . list=froogle
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[19:52:41] nuonguy: $117.99 http://www.goharddrive.com/ProductDetails.asp . . . &Click=9
[19:54:15] Led-Hed: $119 @ ewiz
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[20:01:32] Led-Hed: can MythTV do commercial flagging on the fly (Buffered LiveTV)?
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[20:02:28] iamlindoro: not on live tv, no
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[20:02:37] iamlindoro: if can commflag in progress recordings, though
[20:02:40] iamlindoro: er it can
[20:03:13] gbee: editing ads out of this film and pretty suprised that two sets of ads were just 8 minutes apart ... which I'm sure isn't legal
[20:03:32] ** iamlindoro wishes we had laws that minimized ads **
[20:04:52] hume: hi... I have a nvidia 8500GT graphics card in a rather new (4 months) htpc – while viewing TV or recordings the image _sometimes_ freezes for about 0.5 s – this happens maybe very 3 mins or so, not more – anyone got any ideas on what this might be and what to try to do?
[20:05:02] Led-Hed: is comm flagging CPU intensive?
[20:05:09] iamlindoro: yes, it can be
[20:05:16] gbee: it's a long film, 2h30m and the rest of the ads are well spaced, so I'm wondering if it was just a mistake, normally Film 4 space out the ad breaks in a consistant pattern – with no ads at all in the last 30 minutes
[20:05:21] iamlindoro: of course you set the priority with which it runs
[20:05:28] Led-Hed: so Dual or Quad core CPU
[20:06:10] Led-Hed: I have 4 tunners so there could a lotta flagging going on
[20:07:12] Led-Hed: my old ReplayTV use to Comm Flag on the fly. It worked really well
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[20:09:23] gbee: so what happens if it's flagging livetv and you are just a couple of minutes behind when it hits ad breaks? It pauses?
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[20:22:48] sphery: iamlindoro: strange timing for that question... quite the coincidence. Or are you just logged in as derwin, too, to get some exposure for your patch.  ;)
[20:23:02] iamlindoro: hahaha
[20:23:11] iamlindoro: No, but that would be clever ;)
[20:23:18] iamlindoro: except... the word. Not the guy.
[20:23:46] iamlindoro: It's most useful in my mind for the HD-PVR as there is no lossless transcode for that in sight
[20:24:07] iamlindoro: It will also work for NUVs and Divx produced by the convertx, theoretically
[20:24:43] sphery: cool
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[20:25:12] iamlindoro: Of course I create a ticket for it and immediately realize that I should have changed one line, sigh
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[20:29:11] iamlindoro: still can figure out how to get nvp->GetTotalFrameCount() to get me anything... even though GetFrameRate works just fine, eigh
[20:29:13] iamlindoro: sigh
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[20:41:10] Led-Hed: whats the best STB for HD Firewire capture?
[20:41:27] iamlindoro: The STB doesn't matter
[20:41:37] iamlindoro: (so long as it has firewire, of course)
[20:41:44] iamlindoro: and the STB has no bearing on whether it's possible
[20:41:51] iamlindoro: the policy loaded into the box by the headend does
[20:41:51] Anduin: iamlindoro: the total frame count isn't set until the decoding starts (just creating NVP doesn't do that), not my area but NVP::OpenFile sets that up (NVP isn't really meant to be used that way though)
[20:41:56] Led-Hed: so there is one that works better with MythTV than another?
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[20:42:37] iamlindoro: Anduin, I had wondered if I needed to do that-- tried and got it sort-of-open but didn't take the time to look into getting it "completely" working
[20:42:48] iamlindoro: Thanks, I'll look into that more
[20:43:08] iamlindoro: Led-Hed, Myth already works with most SA and Motorola boxes, and has a generic option as well
[20:43:35] Led-Hed: ok, cool. Just wanted to know if I should request a specific model
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[21:00:52] Led-Hed: Damn. Charter SUX. I have to pug Digital Cable $50 + HD Tier (Discovery ESPN etc...) $8 + $10 per STP
[21:01:13] Led-Hed: pug = pay (Dont ask me how I did that one)
[21:02:49] iamlindoro: Heh, just wait til you hear the string of profanity you utter when you find they had disabled firewire and play dumb about it (Apparently Charter is notorious for that-- have never heard of anyone getting firewire output from the box)
[21:03:02] iamlindoro: with Charter, that is
[21:03:15] Led-Hed: :(
[21:03:33] Led-Hed: well that nullifies my next question
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[21:09:26] Led-Hed: Theres Hope!. Wiki article says Charter in Fort Worth works
[21:09:42] iamlindoro: No harm in trying
[21:09:51] Led-Hed: except for the $50
[21:09:53] Led-Hed: :)
[21:10:14] Led-Hed: Would be nice though. Then I wouldnt have to but Capture Cards
[21:11:42] Led-Hed: So does the EPG get screwy when you have a mix of HD and SD?
[21:12:05] Led-Hed: can U even run PVR-250's and Firewire capture at the same time?
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[21:12:35] iamlindoro: Firewire capture is just another video output, it's exactly the same as you would see via S-video, component, etc.
[21:12:49] iamlindoro: It's not an output seperate from any of the others
[21:12:53] Led-Hed: ok
[21:13:04] iamlindoro: So while you could use a PVR-x50, it would just be recording the same thing
[21:14:21] Led-Hed: Is there a way to prioritize the Firewire for specific channels?
[21:15:12] iamlindoro: No, but you can just set the firewire tuner to be a higher tuner priority in general, and when you need certain programs to record from another tuner, do so in their recording rules with a tuner preference
[21:15:37] Led-Hed: kinda a pain, but I can live with that,
[21:16:21] Led-Hed: ok. Last question. Would an E2180 (2.0GHz Dual Core) be capable of HD Playback?
[21:16:45] iamlindoro: Since it'll only be MPEG-2, yes, easily.
[21:17:06] Led-Hed: humm
[21:17:26] Led-Hed: Thanks iamlindoro. You've been a big help.
[21:17:31] iamlindoro: np
[21:17:53] stuarta: mmmmm rum
[21:18:00] ** Led-Hed heads off to order some hardware. Night all **
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[21:19:31] Lynet: Depends on where you are. Some places use Mpeg4 (part2/asp) or h.264.
[21:19:47] iamlindoro: Lynet, Not on cable in the USA they don't
[21:20:08] iamlindoro: and I'm not familiar with any television provider *anywhere* using Part 2.
[21:20:12] iamlindoro: h.264, yes.
[21:20:19] Lynet: Ah, I missed his location.
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[21:23:50] Lynet: I could have sworn that I have seen some places using mpeg4part2. Perhaps I'm misremembering (or some product/marketing material using mpeg4 as shorthand for avc)
[21:24:05] iamlindoro: Likley the latter, that's pretty common
[21:24:31] stuarta: lyngsat, that'll tell you
[21:25:20] iamlindoro: Now that I think about it, I don't even think there are any common STBs that grok MPEG-4 Part 2. (although I'm sure some obscure one probably does)
[21:25:33] iamlindoro: Oooh, Dead Space out this week
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[21:26:18] stuarta: not unless someone is broadcasting it
[21:26:49] iamlindoro: stuarta, I was thinking more in the and-it's-a-uPnP-client-too way
[21:26:59] stuarta: k
[21:28:00] iamlindoro: anyone been following "Sanctuary?" Any good?
[21:28:08] Anduin: No
[21:28:24] iamlindoro: No "not good," or no "not following?"
[21:28:31] Lynet: Whow, Esther is leaving earth?
[21:29:05] Anduin: iamlindoro: Not good, at least I don't like it, and I don't think it is just that I can't get over her accent
[21:29:46] iamlindoro: Anduin, ahh. I am sort of predisposed to not liking it as I didn't like Stargate, but I thought briefly about givingit a try
[21:30:03] iamlindoro: Lord knows there's too much TV to keep up with right now anyway
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[21:31:46] Lynet: Need more disk, my box is getting close to autoexpiring stuff I haven't watched yet.
[21:32:07] iamlindoro: Terminator, Chuck, Heroes, Pushing Daisies, UK Life on Mars, US Life on Mars, Eleventh Hour, Numbers, Mad Men, Fringe, Crusoe...
[21:32:17] iamlindoro: *something* is gonna need to get saved for summer a la sphery
[21:32:49] Anduin: iamlindoro: Yeah, I disliked Stargate for years but eventually gave in, the Sanctuary previews looked interesting but I couldn't make it all the way through the second episode before deleting the recording rule.
[21:33:22] iamlindoro: Anduin, haha... Well I'll give it a chance when I don't have anything to watch but I won't expect much then :)
[21:33:28] iamlindoro: Crusoe kinda looks like it might be fun
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[21:36:07] Anduin: iamlindoro: Not watching Stargate will probably help, it will make the accent, hair color and sidekicks likeness to Daniel Jackson less annoying, did Fringe turn good? (another one I dumped early)
[21:36:47] iamlindoro: Fringe's second and third episodes put the pilot to shame
[21:36:55] iamlindoro: as the pilot suuuucked and it's been pretty good since
[21:37:07] iamlindoro: I was thinking the sidekick on Sanctuary looked like Harry Potter
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[21:41:51] RyeBrye: I finally peeked up into my attic to see what it would take to put an antenna up there to get ATSC signals better – and I found a big antenna just sitting there already
[21:42:37] RyeBrye: I have no idea where the long spool of coax running off of it goes to – but that was a pleasant surprise. looks like a big standard TV antenna.
[21:43:32] stuarta: \o/
[21:43:41] RyeBrye: I could use QAM, and get pretty much the same stations in clear QAM – but I've heard that editing the transport tables for the broadcasts is a PITA?
[21:44:04] iamlindoro: That's not usually much of a problem, but if you can get ATSC, do so
[21:44:14] iamlindoro: as the bitrate is likely to be much, MUCH better
[21:44:21] RyeBrye: Ah, gotcha
[21:44:30] iamlindoro: not smashed down by your cable co
[21:44:48] RyeBrye: Yeah, the ATSC here is pretty good – but with a little crappy antenna down at the ground level I can't consistently get a good signal on all channels
[21:45:53] RyeBrye: I'm really hoping that they ran the coax line down through the walls already and I can just go to my box with all my other (not-labeled) coax lines and just grab it – but I might have to run a line out the vent of my attic and down the side of my house
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[21:46:59] RyeBrye: It looks like a standard UHF / VHF antenna – it kind of looks like it was tossed in there – but I can't really think of why anyone would just casually toss an antenna up in the attic if they weren't going to use it – it would be a lot of effort to get it up there compared to just throwing it in the back yard or something
[21:47:10] RyeBrye: I'm hoping they already even aimed it properly for me :)
[21:47:30] stuarta: you would expect so :-p
[21:47:40] RyeBrye: (All the stations around me pretty much broadcast from one mountain – so they are all within 1 or 2 degrees of the compass from each other)
[21:48:31] RyeBrye: The onyl thing that sucks is my attic has loose fill insulation – It doesn't feel like fiberglass – probably cellulose (?) – basically it looks like 10,000 stuffed animals were ripped to shreds and their remains were strewn about in there
[21:49:00] RyeBrye: so in maneuvering to the antenna to run the line down or see what is up with it I'm likely to get covered in insulation.
[21:49:48] RyeBrye: In any case... that was my pleasant surprise of the day. Saves me some $$ on an antenna I was planning to buy – so long as it actually gets a decent signal
[21:50:49] stuarta: either way, you'll need to use a breathing mask and gloves with that shit
[21:50:51] stuarta: it's nasty
[21:51:13] RyeBrye: Yeah, I'll definitely wear a long-sleeved shirt, gloves, and a mask
[21:51:23] stuarta: :)
[21:51:37] RyeBrye: Although dying of some kind of lung cancer might be fun too ;)
[21:51:53] stuarta: it's worth the cost of a roll of cable to try it out
[21:52:33] RyeBrye: I already have a roll of RG6-QS mostly leftover
[21:53:11] stuarta: even better
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[21:55:36] RyeBrye: ... I just lookd at the spool of it, and I can't remember WHY I bought a whole spool of it (Maybe I thought I was going to be able to cleanly pull the exisiting crappy coax and the pull in the QS – until I realized that the installer stapled his runs down... cant' remember) – but yeah... I have probably 300 or 400 feet of RG6-QS begging to be run up to the attic today
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[22:06:53] slack0rman: does mythtv backend needs a lot of juice in terms of graphics/sound
[22:07:04] RyeBrye: backend doesn't even need any graphics or sound
[22:07:26] RyeBrye: unless you want it to be both a backend and a frontend
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[22:18:45] AndyCap: slack0rman: put the juice in the capture card. :-)
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[22:22:01] slack0rman: AndyCap i have 2x800i
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[22:51:16] kayos: so, even when it works (no thanks to you folks that were dead wrong about the problem) mythtv is still really basic and ccrappy
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[22:52:36] stuarta: if he hadn't already i'd kick him
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[22:56:41] Lord_Deathscythe: sup
[22:56:59] Lord_Deathscythe: I need a command to pull a model and vendo id off a firewire connection on a cocast dvr
[22:57:28] Lord_Deathscythe: it's a DCH3416
[22:58:07] stuarta: isn't there a firewire testing util that can do that sort of shit?
[22:59:05] Lord_Deathscythe: firewirer tester is compiled, but it usually doesn't get me far
[22:59:24] ** stuarta is now idea free.... **
[23:00:11] Lord_Deathscythe: I just need to list off wh the device connected is
[23:01:37] iamlindoro: 6200ch -v will give you that info
[23:01:50] stuarta: why are space ships so ugly??
[23:02:52] Lord_Deathscythe: ok
[23:05:21] Lord_Deathscythe: I'm doing something wrong cause all I'm getting is the help thing
[23:05:36] Lord_Deathscythe: never mind
[23:06:10] Lord_Deathscythe: though if you know how to hack a comcast DCH3416 to make fire wire work right I'd love to hear it
[23:06:20] Lord_Deathscythe: aside from channel changing
[23:08:41] iamlindoro: you don't need to hack anything
[23:08:53] iamlindoro: a DCH-3416 will work just fine in myth
[23:09:05] Lord_Deathscythe: for firewire video import?
[23:09:07] iamlindoro: yes
[23:09:19] Lord_Deathscythe: even if Comcast has fuckered with it?
[23:09:24] iamlindoro: assuming your headend allows it, of course
[23:09:53] iamlindoro: Which is to say, assuming Comcast (in your case) has not prevented your doing so
[23:10:07] Lord_Deathscythe: Always assume Comcast has fucked with it
[23:10:08] iamlindoro: If they have done that, then there's no way to hack the box or anything like that, if that's what you mean
[23:13:11] bsdfox__: if you have to ask, you can't do it
[23:13:23] Lord_Deathscythe: true
[23:13:33] Lord_Deathscythe: and I'm not getting anywhere on the channel changing
[23:13:53] Lord_Deathscythe: I can get information, and I added that to the 6200ch.c file and recompiled, but it doesn't seem to be working
[23:13:57] Lord_Deathscythe: of I'm using it wrong
[23:14:28] iamlindoro: ./6200ch -g (Box GUID from plugreport) 750
[23:14:34] iamlindoro: would change to channel 750
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[23:15:34] Lord_Deathscythe: that worked
[23:15:50] Lord_Deathscythe: so why wouldn't it work with the vendor and model id's added in?
[23:16:05] iamlindoro: did you do it with GUID?
[23:16:08] iamlindoro: in both cases?
[23:16:29] iamlindoro: adding vendor and model id is not a replacement for specifying the GUID
[23:17:53] Lord_Deathscythe: no, I did 6200ch -n 1 -p 0 $1
[23:17:58] Lord_Deathscythe: where $1 is the channel I tried
[23:18:02] iamlindoro: use GUID
[23:18:16] iamlindoro: node and port are more or less deprecated
[23:18:20] Lord_Deathscythe: ok
[23:18:25] Lord_Deathscythe: that sounds alright
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[23:31:40] iamlindoro: Jesus, is there a rule that says survival horror games have to look like they're being played through a scuba mask filled with cream of mushroom soup and the lights off?
[23:32:04] stuarta: yep
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[23:34:18] fryfrog: bioshock? :p
[23:34:22] fryfrog: or something else?
[23:34:23] Blaidd: Anyone around familiar with the HVR-1600
[23:34:36] iamlindoro: Silent Hill Homecoming
[23:34:40] fryfrog: ah
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[23:36:14] t0vig: hi all.
[23:37:01] stuarta: quack
[23:37:09] Blaidd: I'm trying to install the 1600 on an ubuntu machine. It all seems to be installed properly but all I get is a red screen which seems to indicate no signal. Oh I'm only trying to get the analog part of the card working
[23:39:55] t0vig: Anyone tried cross-compiling MythTV?
[23:40:37] stuarta: i'm having enuf fun with an osx build
[23:40:50] t0vig: I hear ya.
[23:43:22] directhex: silent hill is a game which traditionally applies a scratched film filter
[23:43:31] directhex: so yes, silent hill is one game which DOES look like that
[23:43:56] directhex: the biggest question from my perspective is "why don't more games try new avenues with survival horror" – like doing scary in broad daylight?
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[23:45:51] Chicago: I used to use the realtime-lsm module to give mythbackend/frontend realtime privileges. Now I am using linux kernel 2.6.25 which doesn't support the realtime lsm module. How do I go about accomplishing the same thing with this newer kernel?
[23:45:54] iamlindoro: directhex, Because it would be hard!
[23:46:07] iamlindoro: directhex, Still, <3 <3 Dead Space this week
[23:46:16] iamlindoro: I'll even put up with more dark for that
[23:46:21] directhex: iamlindoro, resident evil 4 did it. i still think of RE4 as the first game to mix up the genre since AITD
[23:46:48] iamlindoro: RE5 sort of looks like there's gonna be plenty of outdoors too-- Dead rising was all daylight, too
[23:47:56] directhex: dead rising mixed up the genre with a lawnmower
[23:48:27] iamlindoro: Would have been perfect minus the insane deadlines
[23:48:40] directhex: of course, dead rising is awesome & all, but it's hard not to say "screw capcom" for ripping off george romero so blatantly
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[23:49:07] my2keh: hey, I have a show in my upcoming recordings from Oct 9th, any idea how to remove it?
[23:49:31] my2keh: it's actually still showing as "currently recording", even though it's not
[23:49:41] iamlindoro: restart the backend
[23:49:59] my2keh: 10–4!
[23:50:07] directhex: 7–11
[23:50:32] my2keh: mmmm slushy
[23:50:33] iamlindoro: 9–5
[23:50:49] iamlindoro: 14/f/ca
[23:50:55] my2keh: ha
[23:51:04] my2keh: but really 56/m/ca
[23:51:06] t0vig: starbucks green tea!
[23:51:17] t0vig: cheapest thing in the place!
[23:52:42] directhex: iamlindoro, welcome to ]__tEeN_pOoL_pArTy__[
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[23:59:02] Chicago: I used to use the realtime-lsm module to give mythbackend/frontend realtime privileges. Now I am using linux kernel 2.6.25 which doesn't support the realtime lsm module. How do I go about accomplishing the same thing with this newer kernel?

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