| Thursday, October 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:05] | justinh: | h.264 is a wide gamut of stuff ranging from things originating on shitty Taiwanese 'DV camcorders' to full-on AVC encoded (bastard to decode) broadcast HD.. to (bastard to decode) bluray material |
| [00:00:46] | justinh: | let's not forget mobile phones with built-in cameras at the low end too ;) |
| [00:00:57] | cdent: | hm, i guess i dont' know how to rephrase then, i wasn't aware of all the facets of the type of answer i was looking for |
| [00:01:16] | justinh: | a lot of people are in the same boat |
| [00:01:39] | mzb_d800: | how about "Full-HD" or "True-HD" (and forget the codec) ?? |
| [00:01:39] | justinh: | AVC encoded h.264 1080p HD from BD.. that's about as hard as it'll get for a while |
| [00:01:56] | mzb_d800: | (prob. country specific definition ;) |
| [00:02:25] | justinh: | and you ain't playing that on a fanless system unless it has a cooler the size of a domestic fridge |
| [00:02:29] | mzb_d800: | s/definition/marketing |
| [00:02:33] | justinh: | not in linux, anyway |
| [00:03:01] | iamlindoro: | You could put it *in* the fridge :) |
| [00:03:03] | justinh: | and now, the good news. oh wait... |
| [00:03:07] | darkdrgn2k: | wow noawait seemsed to help allot.. |
| [00:03:27] | darkdrgn2k: | do i need to do the same for the swap file :-P |
| [00:03:34] | justinh: | well, low battery so it's time for bed |
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| [00:04:09] | mzb_d800: | one of those cases that _is_ a heatsink, and a low TPD cpu might do it? (guessing) |
| [00:04:09] | iamlindoro: | If you want to be *absolutely* safe and play pretty much anything out there, you will need a C2D at or near 3 Ghz. That's right, I said 3 Ghz. Finding that fanless, however... |
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| [00:04:59] | darkdrgn2k: | wow HD on a SD tv looks pritty hawt... |
| [00:06:03] | Dagmar: | WEll, if you believe that I have some ethernet er "interconnect" cables to sell you |
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| [00:07:44] | cdent: | brb, soory, thanks for the suggestions on what to ask about |
| [00:07:58] | wolfspirit: | anyone here using the bluetooth PS3 remote? I had it working but now upon reboot my lircd just crashes with a segmentation fault.. it seems run if I comment out my lircd conf file |
| [00:09:03] | mzb_d800: | I don't have one, but wouldn't that remote be handled by devinput in X, rather than by lircd? |
| [00:09:33] | wolfspirit: | there is a daemon someone created called bdremoted that makes it work through lircd |
| [00:10:06] | darkdrgn2k: | can some one suggets a good remote? |
| [00:10:09] | darkdrgn2k: | udb |
| [00:10:24] | darkdrgn2k: | udb=usb |
| [00:10:33] | Dagmar: | ANything cheap and programmable that you like the look of. |
| [00:10:49] | mzb_d800: | wolfspirit: hmm ... check /proc/bus/input/devices. |
| [00:11:01] | Dagmar: | If you want USB, just buy a USB keyboard. Remotes aren't USB. |
| [00:11:05] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, Microsoft MCE Usb remotes are awesome |
| [00:11:10] | mzb_d800: | darkdrgn2k: receiver or remote? |
| [00:11:22] | darkdrgn2k: | remote |
| [00:11:34] | mzb_d800: | so you've already got a receiver? |
| [00:11:37] | darkdrgn2k: | i know i have 2.. but where can i find a microsoft mce . |
| [00:11:43] | darkdrgn2k: | sory need a receiger |
| [00:12:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880121003 |
| [00:12:21] | mzb_d800: | I recently acquired a streamzap receiver (in a bundle). They seem quite nice. |
| [00:12:21] | darkdrgn2k: | new egg. wont ship to canada :( |
| [00:12:30] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, newegg.ca |
| [00:12:32] | iamlindoro: | I'm not suggesting that you have to buy it from them |
| [00:12:35] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, launched just the other day |
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| [00:12:58] | darkdrgn2k: | 1) AWSOME |
| [00:13:01] | darkdrgn2k: | 2) 22 bucks that is.. awsome x2 |
| [00:13:30] | darkdrgn2k: | 15 BUCKS SHIPPING wow.. |
| [00:13:53] | iamlindoro: | Heh, they probably don't have all the distribution centers they have here just yet |
| [00:15:40] | mzb_d800: | wolfspirit: iirc, there's a devinput driver for lircd |
| [00:15:58] | wolfspirit: | it worked before that's the weird thing |
| [00:16:09] | wolfspirit: | mzb_d800: but upon reboot it now seg faults |
| [00:16:45] | mzb_d800: | still got bdremoted confusing things? |
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| [00:18:01] | wolfspirit: | mzb_d800: I guess.. not sure what the deal is.. the bluetooth adapter detects the device and bdremoted runs fine.. lircd seg faults |
| [00:19:33] | squish102: | any1 know what to do if my video is very re-drawish? just scrolling in the browser, or moving a window, you can see it redrawing the screen top to bottom? |
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| [00:40:35] | Blaidd: | Can anyone suggest a good card that decodes Clear Qam that works with PCI slots? |
| [00:41:12] | wolfspirit: | Blaidd: ask me tomorrow.. I have the geforce fx 5200 pci and am about to try it out |
| [00:42:21] | Blaidd: | it's got supported linux drivers? (I just tried to get one to work that is not explicitly supported) |
| [00:43:22] | wolfspirit: | yeah the nvidia drivers |
| [00:43:31] | Blaidd: | cool |
| [00:43:35] | squish102: | wolfspirit u talking about a tuner card |
| [00:43:47] | squish102: | i mean Blaidd? |
| [00:43:48] | wolfspirit: | I get mixed up with decode and encode |
| [00:44:04] | wolfspirit: | the tuner card I have is PCI also.. the hd-3000 pchdtv |
| [00:44:06] | Blaidd: | yes, I'm looking for a tuner card |
| [00:46:39] | Blaidd: | I just tried to get the Hauppauge 1600 to work and i can get it reocgnized, but I can't get either the digital HD, or the analoge to pick up anything when scanning for channels on known good inputs |
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| [00:52:58] | iamlindoro: | The 1600 *is* supported |
| [00:53:01] | sphery: | mwaaa-haa-haa... the ability to change themes is broken in current trunk and gbee made some changes which break many of the themes... Let the flood of messages/tickets/... begin. |
| [00:53:08] | iamlindoro: | I would seek help for it in #linuxtv if I were you |
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| [00:53:20] | iamlindoro: | as both digital and analog in that card work fine. |
| [00:53:27] | iamlindoro: | both with Linux and with Myth |
| [00:53:53] | ** sphery wonders how the price of the HVR-1600 compares to the price of the PVR-150... ** | |
| [00:53:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery, and the flood of responses that go something like "should have read the dev list yesterday, dumbass!" |
| [00:54:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Yeah. I've been trying not to be the guy who sends those responses, lately. I'm going through withdrawal. |
| [00:54:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery, last I checked it was doable for about $70... not bad if you stack that against the price of buying a hardware encoder and QAM card seperate |
| [00:54:52] | sphery: | nice |
| [00:54:58] | sphery: | how's the HDTV side? |
| [00:54:59] | RyeBrye: | Holy hell that auto-fsck thing is annoying to have on by default |
| [00:55:23] | mchou: | sphery: avoid pvr1600 |
| [00:55:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery, works great-- Everyone has something to say about every card, it seems, but with my less-than-stellar QAM strength I still got good picture |
| [00:55:41] | RyeBrye: | I don't care if I've booted 36 times, I really don't care to make it boot up |
| [00:55:53] | mchou: | sphery: QAM doesnt work right on that card |
| [00:55:56] | sphery: | RyeBrye: I keep forgetting to turn off my count-based fsck on my laptop. It seems I /only/ hit the 60th boot when I'm either in the airport just before a flight or when I'm on the airplane. |
| [00:56:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: does it do OTA ATSC (8VSB), too? |
| [00:56:26] | mchou: | sphery: and it doesnt work right not just for me, but at least 3 other people I know |
| [00:56:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yes (although I'm it ATSC dead zone so I didn't test that) |
| [00:56:37] | iamlindoro: | er I'm in |
| [00:56:38] | RyeBrye: | I set my count-based to 1000 |
| [00:57:05] | mchou: | sphery: you're much better off getting a pinnacle from woot |
| [00:57:20] | sphery: | Hmmm. I know someone who might want one. I could buy his A180 from him and he coudl get an HVR-1600 (so he can still record analog junk) |
| [00:57:29] | mchou: | sphery: much better card than pvr1600 quality |
| [00:57:32] | cdent: | i have a 1600 if you have any specific questions |
| [00:57:35] | cdent: | hi sphery |
| [00:57:44] | sphery: | cdent: did you get things working/figured out? |
| [00:58:08] | sphery: | been busy trying to deal with a broken user configuration breaking some code that I submitted for Myth... :) |
| [00:58:25] | mchou: | cdent: can you pastebin your 'dmesg | grep tveeprom'? |
| [00:58:29] | sphery: | mchou: does the Pinnacle do both ATSC and NTSC? |
| [00:58:36] | mchou: | sphery: yes |
| [00:58:44] | sphery: | which card? |
| [00:59:02] | mchou: | and the pinnacle tuner is WAY more sensitive and faster tuning than hauppauge |
| [00:59:07] | cdent: | sphery: yes, but i have more questions |
| [00:59:08] | iamlindoro: | sphery, framegrabber only |
| [00:59:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: Oh. I'll take the ivtv-based one, instead, then. :) |
| [00:59:44] | Blaidd: | imlindoro: Thanks. I will |
| [00:59:51] | mchou: | sphery: I had nothing but GRIEF with 1600 digital tuner |
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| [01:00:09] | mchou: | sphery: the ivtv on 1600 is also iffy |
| [01:00:23] | mchou: | sphery: it has some real quirks |
| [01:00:48] | squish102: | any help on starting mythfrontend? atm it is all diagonal and unreadable |
| [01:00:51] | mchou: | if you boot the machine the first capture form 1600 ivtv side will be all messed up |
| [01:01:02] | mchou: | s/form/from |
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| [01:01:12] | cdent: | mchou: i msg'd you your request |
| [01:01:21] | mkrufky: | mchou: the OLD revisions of the HVR1600 didnt work with QAM |
| [01:01:26] | cdent: | sphery: do you mind if i msg you? |
| [01:01:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery, well, I can say no more than I found it to work fine, but hey |
| [01:01:29] | mkrufky: | there were very few of themn |
| [01:01:39] | sphery: | cdent: go ahead |
| [01:01:43] | mkrufky: | the ones in production (model 74041) di qam very well |
| [01:01:44] | mchou: | mkrufky: mine specically had a QAM label |
| [01:01:57] | mkrufky: | mchou: RMA it and I'll make sure you get one that works |
| [01:02:01] | mchou: | and mine is 74041 |
| [01:02:12] | mkrufky: | maybe your card is bad |
| [01:02:18] | mchou: | mkrufky: so you have 1600? |
| [01:02:19] | mkrufky: | QAM works on the HVR1600 in my machine right now |
| [01:02:22] | mkrufky: | and i never miss a recording |
| [01:02:37] | sphery: | mkrufky: are you a Hauppauge employee? |
| [01:02:48] | cdent: | mchou: my 1600 was retail and came in a white box with some red |
| [01:02:56] | mchou: | mkrufky: I have 2 1600. and my friends have same issues |
| [01:03:07] | mchou: | cdent: thanks |
| [01:03:35] | mkrufky: | mchou: just like you can buy a hard drive DOA, maybe you had bad luck with your cards |
| [01:03:36] | mkrufky: | also |
| [01:03:45] | mkrufky: | the original windows driver didnt support QAM correctly |
| [01:03:51] | mkrufky: | get the new version and its fine |
| [01:04:04] | mchou: | mkrufky: umm, I've never bought two bad hard drives :) |
| [01:04:38] | mchou: | mkrufky: and have friends also get bad hard drives at the same time too :) |
| [01:04:46] | mkrufky: | anyway, please dont trash the only company that actually has employees that produce and release linux drivers |
| [01:04:57] | mkrufky: | OPEN SOURCE linux drivers, that is |
| [01:05:17] | wagnerrp: | pchdtv? |
| [01:05:29] | mchou: | mkrufky: dude, if the HW is bad I dont care which company produces linux drivers |
| [01:05:37] | cdent: | mchou: what's your issue? that you can't tune to anything but it's detected? |
| [01:05:47] | mkrufky: | PEBKAC |
| [01:05:51] | mkrufky: | :-) |
| [01:05:52] | Blaidd: | cdent: that's my issue |
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| [01:06:29] | mchou: | cdent: my issues are: 1) tuning not stable (sometimes lock, more often not) |
| [01:06:29] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
| [01:06:43] | iamlindoro: | Never saw any issues with either side of the card, and didn't use any special voodoo to make it work |
| [01:06:49] | mchou: | 2) pixelization (dropouts) |
| [01:07:05] | Blaidd: | it looks like I havea 74000 run though |
| [01:07:15] | mchou: | 3) I have HDTV and STB, and both of those receive fine |
| [01:07:17] | mkrufky: | it's 74041 that supports QAM |
| [01:07:21] | Blaidd: | damn |
| [01:07:25] | mkrufky: | they are ALL 74000 |
| [01:07:32] | mkrufky: | 74000 is code for "hvr1600" |
| [01:07:39] | mkrufky: | 74041 means QAM |
| [01:07:56] | Blaidd: | it's only card right near the top where you see the prod number right? |
| [01:07:59] | mchou: | there is also 74051 now, iirc |
| [01:08:01] | Blaidd: | or is there somewhere else? |
| [01:08:07] | mkrufky: | written on the "tin can" |
| [01:08:15] | Blaidd: | hm |
| [01:08:16] | mchou: | Blaidd: dmesg | grep tveeprom |
| [01:08:19] | cdent: | mchou: perhaps your issue is related to the beta quality of the drivers, and the quality of your signal, i'm not an expert, but i have drop outs and sometimes can't tune as well, but my major issue is that, i can only record 1 hd program and then must reset |
| [01:08:41] | iamlindoro: | The drivers aren't beta. |
| [01:08:41] | mchou: | cdent: it could be driver or HW issue |
| [01:08:45] | Blaidd: | nope, mine' 74041 |
| [01:09:03] | iamlindoro: | They're in mainline v4l-dvb (and the kernel, too). |
| [01:09:03] | mchou: | cdent: but I have no such issues with my pinnacle card |
| [01:09:08] | ** mkrufky out ... good luck guys ** | |
| [01:09:11] | mkrufky is now known as mkrufky-away | |
| [01:09:15] | Blaidd: | Does that prod number support Clear QAM though? |
| [01:09:35] | mchou: | Blaidd: which product # specifically? |
| [01:09:42] | cdent: | mchou: i guess than that rules out signal quality, but i have had that same issue, i think, where i just can't tune |
| [01:09:44] | Blaidd: | 74041 |
| [01:09:44] | iamlindoro: | Blaidd, ClearQAM is the only type of QAM you can tune. |
| [01:09:54] | iamlindoro: | With consumer digital tuners, that is |
| [01:09:59] | Blaidd: | iamlindoro Okay.. |
| [01:10:03] | iamlindoro: | (not counting cablecard tuners, blah blah) |
| [01:10:03] | mchou: | cdent: yeah. That's a MAJOR flaw |
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| [01:10:28] | cdent: | iamlindoro: i thought the drivers were beta, does everyone else disagree with my assertion as well? |
| [01:10:40] | Blaidd: | cdent: That's what I thought too |
| [01:10:44] | iamlindoro: | cdent, They are not. They are in mainline v4l-dvb. |
| [01:10:51] | mchou: | cdent: afaik the drivers are beta. |
| [01:10:54] | psm321: | iamlindoro: i'm assuming you mean that in a generic sense with tune == watch? (i was under the impression that you could tune encrypted channels but then you just have an encrypted stream sitting there and nothing you can do with it) |
| [01:11:04] | Blaidd: | I had to compile them myself and what not |
| [01:11:14] | iamlindoro: | Blaidd, having to compile them yourself ~= beta |
| [01:11:17] | iamlindoro: | er != |
| [01:11:24] | iamlindoro: | does not equal. |
| [01:11:40] | mchou: | I dont recall whether the driver is mainline dvb, I got mine of Hg |
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| [01:11:42] | iamlindoro: | They are in the main v4l repository, no longer in a branch, and are therefore no longer beta. |
| [01:11:52] | mchou: | off* Hg |
| [01:11:55] | Blaidd: | well either way.. |
| [01:12:09] | Blaidd: | do I need more than the cx18 to make the digital part work? |
| [01:12:22] | Blaidd: | (sorry, I"m still pretty new at figuring this stuff out) |
| [01:12:29] | cdent: | Blaidd: not that i'm aware of... |
| [01:12:38] | mchou: | cdent: it's definitely not a signal quality issue since ny TV, STB and other ATSC/QAM cards have no such issue |
| [01:12:44] | mchou: | my* |
| [01:13:02] | iamlindoro: | Blaidd, if you have downloaded and installed the current v4l-dvb tip and put the cx18 firmware in your distros firmware dir, then you should be fine. |
| [01:13:23] | iamlindoro: | Blaidd, If you have NOT installed firmware, then that is why you cannot properly tune. |
| [01:13:25] | Blaidd: | I thought I had.. |
| [01:13:27] | mchou: | cdent: I dont think this is an isolated issue |
| [01:13:38] | Blaidd: | I have put the firmware in and I see them loaded in my dmesgs file |
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| [01:13:46] | Blaidd: | I just don't know if they're the most recent ones |
| [01:13:48] | iamlindoro: | Then you are probably fine on that step |
| [01:13:56] | iamlindoro: | http://dl.ivtvdriver.org/ivtv/firmware/cx18-firmware.tar.gz |
| [01:13:58] | mchou: | cdent: for what it's worth my specs are same as you dmesg output |
| [01:13:59] | iamlindoro: | will always be the latest |
| [01:14:07] | cdent: | mchou: why do you think it's not an isolated issue? |
| [01:14:16] | Gumby`: | hi all, I'm trying to find where mythweb stores its settings now. is in in the mythconverg db or still in a text file? |
| [01:14:32] | mchou: | cause my friends have the same problem, and I have 2 1600s |
| [01:15:30] | mchou: | cdent: all the othe functioning ATSC/QAM cards I have will actually report FE_HAS_LOCK with scan dvb, 1600 does not |
| [01:15:54] | mchou: | cdent: that's a red flag right there |
| [01:16:05] | Blaidd: | I think I may load the most recent firmware and see.. it's possible I was working with an old version |
| [01:16:10] | cdent: | mchou: bug report man, i have so many bugs for cx18, but i haven't reported them... |
| [01:16:14] | Blaidd: | (I followed a link from a wiki) |
| [01:16:44] | mchou: | cdent: dude, I just gave up. cheaper & better cards out there |
| [01:17:05] | mchou: | cdent: I dont get paid to test sub par HW from Hauppauge |
| [01:17:32] | mchou: | cdent: they also use the cheapest tuners. TCL tuners are shit |
| [01:17:48] | Blaidd: | mchou: what other cards to you suggest then? |
| [01:18:05] | mchou: | I got the pinnacle and I couldnt be more pleased |
| [01:18:16] | mchou: | very very sensitive tuner |
| [01:18:27] | mchou: | $25 including shipping |
| [01:18:31] | cdent: | yeah, which NTSC/QAM/ATSC tuner do you suggest, that can also record NTSC and ATSC/QAM at the same time? |
| [01:18:57] | mchou: | umm, no NTSC HW encode on pinnacle, sorry |
| [01:19:32] | mchou: | and like I said 1600 NTSC is iffy too |
| [01:20:08] | mchou: | (this is an acknowledged driver issue re NTSC) |
| [01:21:37] | Blaidd: | iamlindoro: Nope, that's the one I"m using |
| [01:21:50] | cdent: | mchou: what do you mean by that last statement, ?re NTSC????? |
| [01:23:02] | wolfspirit: | has anyone here set their recording directory to be a samba share? |
| [01:23:10] | mchou: | the first capture after reboot on NTSC will always be messed up |
| [01:23:16] | mchou: | cdent: ^^^ |
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| [01:24:06] | mchou: | cdent: subsequent captures are fine |
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| [01:24:40] | emer08: | can anyone help about myth tv? |
| [01:24:44] | loudestnoise: | I have a simple question I hope, how do I display the tuner cards I have connected, so I can know what cards are connected /dev/videoX and the like |
| [01:25:04] | mchou: | cdent: I'm willing to cut Hauppauge slack on NTSC (since it's most likely driver and can be worked around) but not on digital side |
| [01:25:23] | emer08: | can anyone help about myth tv? |
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| [01:25:37] | loudestnoise: | emer08: what's your question? |
| [01:26:04] | mchou: | cdent: I dont think the digital side issues can be worked around unless they respin the HW. |
| [01:26:07] | whodat: | how do i choose which transcoder i want to use? when i hit 'begin transcode' it doesn't give me an option |
| [01:26:21] | wolfspirit: | emer08: number one rule in chat rooms.. don't ask to ask.. just ask your question.. number two.. don't repeat yourself |
| [01:26:51] | emer08: | can myth tv broadcast realtime tv program using tv cards? |
| [01:27:11] | wagnerrp: | mythtv doesnt broadcast anything |
| [01:27:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv just plays video through X (or in some cases a frame buffer) |
| [01:28:16] | wagnerrp: | also, mythtv does not do anything 'realtime'. even live tv has a several second lag behind the original transmission |
| [01:28:49] | loudestnoise: | emer08: but if your real question was does MythTV let you watch TV, then the answer is yes and record it as well |
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| [01:30:08] | emer08: | sorry i'm a newbie. i am researching about iptv and it lead me to mythtv |
| [01:31:24] | emer08: | @loudestnoise. What do you mean by your answer? |
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| [01:32:25] | loudestnoise: | emer08: Well you question was answered by wagnerrp but he seemed to tell you how you were wrong in posing your question and I was just trying to give you a straight answer about the purpose of mythtv |
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| [01:35:05] | emer08: | @loudestnoise what do you mean by let you watch tv? Is the purpose of mythtv is just to record tv program? |
| [01:35:57] | loudestnoise: | emer08: Yes, it is a PVR application for watching and recording television, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MythTV |
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| [01:40:58] | cdent: | did all the cx18 users leave? |
| [01:41:00] | wagnerrp: | my response was perfectly valid, there are couple users in here who have been researching dvb broadcast cards for use in an in-home video distribution system |
| [01:43:06] | wagnerrp: | anyway, if you only want to watch tv, tvtime is probably more what youre looking for |
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| [01:45:00] | loudestnoise: | cdent: nope, i'm here, but i'm probably not of much help |
| [01:45:25] | cdent: | loudestnoise: are you not a linux, mythtv, v4l expert? |
| [01:45:29] | loudestnoise: | wagnerrp: I didn't mean to say you were being rude or anything, I just was trying to help out someone who obviously doesn't know much about mythtv |
| [01:48:20] | loudestnoise: | cdent: Do you know what Error -12 means in regards to the initialization of cx18? |
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| [01:52:29] | cdent: | loudestnoise: nope |
| [01:53:45] | loudestnoise: | cdnet: ha, no I'm no expert, just trying to get this new HVR-1600 card I bought working |
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| [01:56:19] | wolfspirit: | has anyone here set their recording directory to be a samba share? |
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| [01:57:16] | iamlindoro: | It's been done, and *can* work, although certainly isn't optimal |
| [01:58:22] | RyeBrye: | has anyone here set their recording directory to a RAM disk? |
| [01:58:34] | iamlindoro: | heh, I pray you're not serious. |
| [01:58:42] | iamlindoro: | Yay, let's have a little joke |
| [01:58:42] | wagnerrp: | thats an expensive ram disk to be worthwhile |
| [01:58:50] | dustybin: | RyeBrye: only a guy like 'clever' would of done something like that.. |
| [01:58:59] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [01:59:11] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, you're not allowed to make fun of him given how busily you fluff him when you see him |
| [01:59:12] | wagnerrp: | except he would manage to do it with his assorted collection of EDO sticks |
| [01:59:37] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: we have pm chats now to avoid polluting this channel :P |
| [01:59:52] | iamlindoro: | "What are you wearing?" |
| [01:59:56] | iamlindoro: | "That pink number you like" |
| [01:59:56] | RyeBrye: | http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hyperos-d . . . ,1186-2.html |
| [02:00:00] | iamlindoro: | "I'm touching myself right now." |
| [02:00:03] | iamlindoro: | "Me too." |
| [02:00:13] | dustybin: | heh no, pure computer talk |
| [02:00:25] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, enough. That's not appropriate for this channel |
| [02:00:25] | iamlindoro: | "touch my SIMMs" |
| [02:00:28] | iamlindoro: | ok ok |
| [02:00:49] | RyeBrye: | They max out at 16 gigs – I think... :) I would probably get 2 of them and Raid-0 them to avoid data loss ;) |
| [02:00:51] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, what's the point of recording to a ramdisk? |
| [02:01:12] | RyeBrye: | I'm just joking mostly... it's about the polar opposite of recording to a samba share |
| [02:01:14] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, avoid dataloss? Other then at a power cycle, what data loss is there? |
| [02:01:32] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I'd never buy one of them. I have a friend who gets hard over them though |
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| [02:35:16] | hadees: | anyone know of something akin to a macmini that can hold a core duo 3.0ghz chip? |
| [02:37:13] | kormoc: | hadees, it's unlikely, that form factor is typically laptop level equipment |
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| [02:38:04] | hadees: | i'm pretty much trying to find something to use in my bedroom so i want as small as possible and quiet |
| [02:38:20] | hadees: | but can still decode all my HD stuff for when i upgrade my bedroom tv to HD |
| [02:38:22] | wagnerrp: | check out Shuttle, i bet they have something |
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| [02:38:32] | wagnerrp: | going to be a fair bit bigger than a minimac though |
| [02:38:36] | kormoc: | hadees, that form factor is just too small to get rid of that much heat |
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| [02:39:31] | hadees: | i've heard the macmini with CoreAVC might work but i feel like the mac mini could be upgrade at any minute |
| [02:40:18] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to decode? |
| [02:40:31] | kormoc: | hadees, http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#Mac_mini |
| [02:40:40] | hadees: | i just want to get something that can handle most 1080p decoding thrown at it, i know thats a wide range which is why i'm going for the higher end |
| [02:41:47] | hadees: | kormoc, which is why i don't want to buy one right now |
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| [02:42:01] | hadees: | kormoc, but it is way over due |
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| [03:31:38] | whodat: | why are my commercials being flagged when i have 'Run Commercial Flagger" checkbox turned off in TV Settings/General ? |
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| [03:34:25] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone ever have trouble with the Hauppauge 1600 getting blocky? |
| [03:35:23] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: dont get us started |
| [03:35:34] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: digital or ntsc? |
| [03:36:20] | EnderTheThird: | digital ClearQAM |
| [03:36:49] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: look at this channel's archive from 2 hrs ago |
| [03:37:05] | EnderTheThird: | heh, did i miss a fun discussion? |
| [03:37:06] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: bottom line is you are not the only one |
| [03:37:27] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: not "fun' but factual |
| [03:37:48] | EnderTheThird: | oh boy. :-/ I just had to send in to get it replaced because the first one was DOA |
| [03:38:14] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: look for names like cdent, Blaidd, mkrufy |
| [03:38:31] | mchou: | mkrufky* |
| [03:39:03] | EnderTheThird: | Found the discussion. Checking it out now |
| [03:39:44] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: and of course my name |
| [03:40:14] | EnderTheThird: | Before I spend 2 hours reading. Any fix in sight, or should I just RMA it for a refund? |
| [03:40:42] | EnderTheThird: | (Double bummer because that's like $15 I've spent in shipping the card back. Maybe I can get Newegg to give me $10 off my next order though) |
| [03:41:20] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: dude, I bought a ATSC/QAM card for $25 shipped that 'just works' |
| [03:41:38] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: gave up on 1600. It's not worth the trouble |
| [03:41:47] | EnderTheThird: | model? |
| [03:43:17] | mchou: | pinnacle pctv 800i. no NTSC HW encoder |
| [03:43:43] | mchou: | but I have plenty of pvr150s |
| [03:43:48] | EnderTheThird: | I have a PVR 500 for SD |
| [03:44:03] | EnderTheThird: | just figured one card for HD and SD would be nice in addition to my HDHR |
| [03:44:14] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: go with pinnacle then. The card has a really good tuner |
| [03:44:33] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: where'd you order? |
| [03:44:40] | mchou: | woot :) |
| [03:44:55] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: it comes back often |
| [03:45:10] | EnderTheThird: | what? |
| [03:45:16] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: cause the pinnacle drivers for windows dont work :) |
| [03:45:31] | mchou: | but the HW is EXCELLENT |
| [03:45:51] | mchou: | and the important thing is linux drivers work great for that card |
| [03:46:03] | EnderTheThird: | Where'd you order the card? |
| [03:46:03] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: woot.com |
| [03:46:37] | EnderTheThird: | oh, haha |
| [03:47:22] | EnderTheThird: | never heard of that site |
| [03:47:37] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: living underneath a rock? :) |
| [03:47:49] | EnderTheThird: | I'm a Newegg whore. |
| [03:48:37] | mchou: | I'm sure newegg sells it to, but not for $25 shipped :) |
| [03:48:43] | mchou: | too* |
| [03:49:26] | EnderTheThird: | Hmm, not finding it. |
| [03:49:42] | EnderTheThird: | I see the woot entry, but I can't buy from here? |
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| [03:50:07] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: you dont understand how woot works |
| [03:50:12] | mchou: | one deal per day |
| [03:50:29] | EnderTheThird: | ah, got ya. bummer, lol |
| [03:50:37] | mchou: | kind of a strange clearance center |
| [03:50:57] | EnderTheThird: | $40 shipped on ebay. |
| [03:51:43] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: that's not too bad |
| [03:52:49] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: seriously, did you read the discussion I referred to? |
| [03:53:02] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: were those your issues too? |
| [03:54:44] | EnderTheThird: | I'm checking it. I just filled out RMA on Newegg. They're getting a call about the restocking fee, heh. |
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| [03:57:06] | darkdrgn2k: | ok seems my puter crashes because its ookm |
| [03:57:13] | EnderTheThird: | any ATSC cards you know of that work automagically w/ 2.6.24 kernel? |
| [03:57:16] | darkdrgn2k: | when compiling myth |
| [03:57:25] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.ca/1223410 |
| [03:57:26] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: I'm interested if you had those symptoms |
| [03:57:34] | darkdrgn2k: | Mem: 248804 |
| [03:57:37] | darkdrgn2k: | any ideas why? |
| [03:58:18] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, cause compiling myth takes a ton of memory/ |
| [03:58:31] | darkdrgn2k: | *sigh* /me goes look in his ram drawr... |
| [03:58:42] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: i'm getting a lot of hiccups and blocking |
| [03:59:05] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: any tuning issues? |
| [03:59:21] | darkdrgn2k: | weres the dd ram when you need it.... |
| [03:59:32] | darkdrgn2k: | think it should be enough if i add a 512 meg swap file on a pen drive? |
| [03:59:32] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: this card tunes fine. first card wouldn't tune anything. |
| [03:59:49] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: how did you solve the tuning issue? |
| [04:00:46] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: is the 1600 still in your computer? |
| [04:01:26] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: I didn't solve the tuning issue. I RMA'd it for a replacement (should have done refund). It's still in the computer. |
| [04:02:15] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: pastbin output of 'dmesg | grep tveeprom' pls |
| [04:03:40] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: http://pastebin.ca/1223417 |
| [04:04:27] | mchou: | yup. same crappy TCL tuner I had on mine |
| [04:04:52] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: seriously, it's not worth the time & headache |
| [04:05:45] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: Yeah, sucks that I shelled out so much for the stupid thing though. Hopefully Newegg is cool about it. $12 restocking is ridiculous when I'm paying $20 to ship it twice. |
| [04:05:56] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: If you read the discussion mkrufky say RMA, he guarantee's me a working one (he's hauppauge employee) |
| [04:06:40] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: at this point I'm not even will to take up mkrufky's offer |
| [04:06:44] | darkdrgn2k: | anyone.. add swap on a pen drive.. will that work? |
| [04:06:58] | EnderTheThird: | I've spent so much at that site, they're usually cool about shit. |
| [04:06:59] | mchou: | darkdrgn2k: bad idea |
| [04:07:08] | darkdrgn2k: | mchou: then how do i compile myth :( |
| [04:07:15] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k, can't hurt |
| [04:07:34] | mchou: | darkdrgn2k: compile from another machine |
| [04:07:48] | darkdrgn2k: | mchou: but what i have fedora on all other machiens.. this one is debian |
| [04:10:07] | darkdrgn2k: | will 256 work as a frontend though |
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| [04:11:51] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: Tempted to just say screw it and watch the rest of my recordings in SD if there are more than 2 good ones on at a time. |
| [04:16:01] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: Is this the same card? http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId . . . 186005934822 I'd like to try it out before I buy it over eBay. Best Buy is way easier for returns, heh. |
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| [04:30:08] | darkdrgn2k: | ok |
| [04:30:10] | darkdrgn2k: | this is bugging me |
| [04:30:12] | darkdrgn2k: | "05:04.0 SCSI storage controller: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0021 (rev a1)" |
| [04:30:20] | darkdrgn2k: | why does debian show that as my nvidia card? |
| [04:31:27] | wagnerrp: | between X and my frontend, im using 290MB of memory |
| [04:31:37] | wagnerrp: | backend is using another 40MB |
| [04:31:51] | wagnerrp: | total, the entire OS is using just shy of 512MB |
| [04:32:40] | darkdrgn2k: | http://pastebin.ca/1223434 |
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| [04:34:31] | wolfspirit: | I have an hd-3000 pchdtv for my tuner and a pci fx5200 for my video card and I'm having a hard time getting the tv worked out.. all teh video and sound is choppy.. anything in particular I can do to stop this? |
| [04:34:47] | wagnerrp: | what is your processor? |
| [04:34:55] | kormoc: | wolfspirit, you installed the nvidia binary drivers? |
| [04:35:06] | darkdrgn2k: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz |
| [04:35:16] | wagnerrp: | not you... |
| [04:35:24] | darkdrgn2k: | oops lol |
| [04:35:27] | wagnerrp: | you just have some horribly wrong kernel |
| [04:35:36] | darkdrgn2k: | dam debian! |
| [04:35:39] | wagnerrp: | you should really bitch at some debian people for that one |
| [04:35:45] | ** darkdrgn2k goes to checkif theres n update ** | |
| [04:35:55] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, or it's just rather out of date and it's not really their fault... |
| [04:36:04] | wolfspirit: | kormoc: yes and I enabled Xvmc according to the wiki in my xorg.conf file |
| [04:36:12] | darkdrgn2k: | Linux MythFE 2.6.18-6–686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| [04:36:12] | darkdrgn2k: | M |
| [04:36:17] | wagnerrp: | well then they would simply bitch back and say 'upgrade' |
| [04:36:37] | kormoc: | wolfspirit, try without XvMC. It's fairly flaky and if you don't need it, it's better to not use it |
| [04:36:52] | wolfspirit: | kormoc: when I play dvds or video it seems to work fine btw |
| [04:36:59] | wagnerrp: | still, if it were just old, it shouldnt come up as a scsi controller, but rather an unknown device shouldnt it? |
| [04:37:22] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, depends. If it happened to share a id between them or soemthing... |
| [04:38:09] | darkdrgn2k: | i didnt know nvidia made scsi controlers :-P |
| [04:39:02] | darkdrgn2k: | apperntly there no new kernel package for etch! |
| [04:42:39] | wolfspirit: | kormoc: still seems very choppy.. I'm honestly not even sure if I am succesfully picking the right processing profile.. I created my own and turned it to standard from Xvmc |
| [04:43:42] | kormoc: | wolfspirit, you should likely run the frotnend in a terminal window and watch the output, see if it gives any hints to what is up |
| [04:49:03] | wolfspirit: | 2008-10–09 00:46:52.252 NVP: Enabling Audio 2008-10–09 00:46:53.033 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
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| [04:51:01] | EnderTheThird: | How do you guys feel about the Pinnacle 800i for an ATSC tuner? |
| [04:51:12] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: lol |
| [04:51:15] | EnderTheThird: | I want the best bang for my buck. |
| [04:51:23] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: come on man |
| [04:51:34] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: making sure your excellent experience isn't like our awful experience with the 1600 ;) |
| [04:51:40] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: you dont trust me? |
| [04:52:19] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: not that, broheim. Just want to make sure it's not like iamlindoro's experience with the 1600 (works great for him, not so much for us) |
| [04:52:42] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: dont take my word for it. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . _Card_(800i) |
| [04:53:01] | mchou: | "The XC5000 tuner on this card is able to pick up considerably more over-the-air digital channels than most other cards." |
| [04:53:30] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: and I didn't write that blurb on the wiki |
| [04:54:11] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: pimpin. Did you check that Best Buy link I sent you earlier? It looks like it's the same. I'm gonna run over there first to make sure it works before I place an order on ebay. |
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| [04:56:45] | mchou: | EnderTheThird: no , I missed BB link |
| [05:00:00] | EnderTheThird: | mchou: thanks for the help with the 1600 and whatnot. I'm out. |
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| [05:26:32] | bsdfox__: | I seem to have a stray client watching livetv.. any way to manually disconnect just that one channel as I have 2 recordings going that I don't want to stop |
| [05:26:43] | bsdfox__: | or any way to figure out which machine it is |
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| [05:38:30] | wagnerrp: | ifstat, check network usage |
| [05:38:52] | wagnerrp: | should be ~0.6–2MB/s |
| [05:40:36] | wagnerrp: | dont know of any way to figure out out within myth |
| [05:41:02] | wagnerrp: | check cpu usage, see which X server is consuming a lot |
| [05:43:17] | wagnerrp: | use the remote control in mythweb, hit escape several times for each frontend |
| [05:43:34] | wagnerrp: | should put everything back to the start screen |
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| [06:12:07] | bsdfox__: | wagnerrp: it's not actually streaming, the backend is using up a tuner for it though |
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| [06:14:47] | sphery: | bsdfox__: go to Watch Recordings, then select the show, then Stop Recording or Delete Recording |
| [06:15:02] | sphery: | bsdfox__: may need to change to the LiveTV recording group to see the recording |
| [06:15:10] | sphery: | good luck |
| [06:15:20] | sphery: | time for sleep |
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| [06:21:04] | wolfspirit: | I give up |
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| [06:46:11] | fryfrog: | anyone used chrome with mythweb? |
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| [06:57:27] | hachi: | I just can't get mythfrontend to use xvmc... guh |
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| [08:15:37] | ninjafury: | ure this has been asked, but I need to get mythtv to scan an external hard drive for media. Now, I've already added the media directory to the backend setup in 'Storage Directories', but it doesn't show up in the front end. What gives? |
| [08:16:17] | Anduin: | ninjafury: the Watch Recordings screen doesn't scan (if that is what you want) |
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| [08:17:50] | ninjafury: | Anduin: I'm trying to access media on an external drive. Besides setting the mount point path of the drive in 'Storage Volumes', is there anything else I must do? |
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| [08:19:49] | Anduin: | ninjafury: Storage Groups implies you want it in Watch Recordings, that part of the frontend doesn't scan. Why not just use MythVideo for that (MythVideo is a plugin, it doesn't use storage groups) |
| [08:32:46] | hachi: | how can I figure out what the default recording bitrates and whatnot are for the PVR-150? |
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| [08:37:17] | Anduin: | hachi: look at the recording profiles |
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| [09:24:43] | hachi: | Anduin: I've changed them |
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| [10:43:39] | justinh: | blinkin eck. 1TB external drive, under 85 quids delivered |
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| [10:44:36] | justinh: | eep. 1TB internal sata disk.. 69 quids at Scan |
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| [10:44:55] | justinh: | now there really is no excuse, mister transcodifier |
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| [10:48:31] | Scopeuk: | there tempting justinh arnt they |
| [10:48:58] | justinh: | but for the fact my backend doesn't have sata onboard.. |
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| [10:49:05] | laga_: | ! |
| [10:49:27] | Scopeuk: | harsh ours does but my two 500GB drives are stil at home |
| [10:49:39] | Scopeuk: | havent got them brought up yet so the maser backend has an 80 gig drive |
| [10:49:55] | laga_: | why do we have so many UK people in here who can't type? |
| [10:50:02] | laga_: | seriously, the americans are not that bad |
| [10:50:18] | justinh: | laga_: ok, you find me a motherboard that'll take a modern cpu, has integrated graphics, more than 3 pci slots... :D |
| [10:50:31] | justinh: | FOR FREE |
| [10:50:34] | laga_: | oh |
| [10:50:38] | gbee: | our education system is rubbish, cutbacks in touch typing classes |
| [10:50:39] | laga_: | well, the last part is going to be hard |
| [10:50:40] | justinh: | laga_: I blame the parents |
| [10:50:51] | laga_: | gbee: i never took a touch typing class |
| [10:50:53] | laga_: | and it shows :( |
| [10:50:57] | Scopeuk: | i'm better than i use to be |
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| [10:51:01] | gbee: | laga_: heh, me either |
| [10:51:06] | justinh: | the parents leave it up to schools & everybody else to teach kids everything |
| [10:52:22] | justinh: | jesus if my folks hadn't taught me to read & write before I went to school I'd never have been so bored & distruptive :D |
| [10:53:28] | gbee: | a terrabyte drive is tempting, especially since I've decided to start keeping some films to watch on rainy days, but I also need to update one of my machines with something quieter, faster and more power efficient |
| [10:53:52] | laga_: | earthbyte drive? ;) |
| [10:54:36] | gbee: | bah |
| [10:54:42] | mchou: | frigging flsh |
| [10:54:49] | mchou: | flash* |
| [10:55:04] | directhex: | there is only one typing tutor app worth your time |
| [10:55:14] | directhex: | it's from sega |
| [10:55:24] | justinh: | teacher's fist |
| [10:55:36] | gbee: | !trout laga bag full of terabyte drives |
| [10:55:36] | ** MythLogBot slaps laga with a bag full of terabyte drives trout on behalf of gbee... ** | |
| [10:55:37] | mchou: | kept a browser open with flash and mythfrontend playback slowed down to a crawl |
| [10:55:53] | directhex: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typing_of_the_Dead |
| [10:56:12] | justinh: | I might just wait til 10TB drives are the norm, or keep my recordings on the holostore attached to my keyring |
| [10:56:24] | mchou: | someone take adobe flash out the back yard and shoot it |
| [10:57:10] | mchou: | I wonder whether drive prices will tank when economy goes south |
| [10:58:03] | mchou: | or maybe it will go up since more people will stay home watching TV |
| [10:58:59] | gbee: | or up because half the manufacturers go bust |
| [10:59:06] | laga_: | directhex: f'ing awesome |
| [10:59:25] | mchou: | gbee: nah, I doubt they'll go bust |
| [10:59:30] | gbee: | or because world governments, in their plans to document each and everyone one of us, place huge orders |
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| [10:59:50] | directhex: | or because hard disks replace the dollar as the standard currency of business |
| [10:59:54] | mchou: | gbee: governments are going bankrupt |
| [11:00:04] | mchou: | gbee: look at Iceland |
| [11:00:17] | gbee: | that won't stop them :) |
| [11:00:24] | mchou: | gbee: just disappeared with investors' money |
| [11:00:45] | gbee: | yes, I have seen the news at least once in the last week |
| [11:01:10] | mchou: | gbee: lol |
| [11:01:21] | mchou: | gbee: dont be so sensitive |
| [11:03:36] | gbee: | this is silly, Sanyo are developing next-gen optical media lasers capable of write speeds better than a hard-disk |
| [11:05:10] | laga_: | i want some intel SSDs |
| [11:05:15] | laga_: | they must be awesome |
| [11:05:19] | directhex: | crap seek time though |
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| [11:05:31] | laga_: | no |
| [11:05:37] | laga_: | the intel ones are awesome at that |
| [11:05:43] | laga_: | read torvald's blog |
| [11:05:44] | directhex: | i meant optics |
| [11:06:07] | laga_: | ah |
| [11:06:34] | gbee: | first gen intel SSDs are rubbish, have one in my netbook – too slow to run Windows (not that I want to) |
| [11:07:16] | directhex: | i expected atom to be better than experience suggests |
| [11:07:28] | directhex: | which is less than ideal |
| [11:08:28] | gbee: | atom is just Intel's Geode – great for embedded and low power systems and it's just fine for a netbook |
| [11:08:40] | gbee: | but you don't want one in your desktop |
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| [11:11:04] | directhex: | well, no |
| [11:11:27] | directhex: | but even in a netbook, it'd be nice if it could handle playing *and* scaling one of my dvd rips |
| [11:12:28] | gbee: | handles my PAL recordings just fine |
| [11:13:03] | directhex: | well, yes, mpeg2 |
| [11:13:28] | gbee: | well I'm not about to use AVC ;) |
| [11:14:12] | gbee: | frankly disk space is cheap enough that I need not even consider AVC or a more CPU unfriendly codec |
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| [11:18:01] | directhex: | well, perhaps, perhaps not. one disk, sure. but if y7ou already have an 8-disk array with 250gb disks? and if you wanna take files with you on a laptop, an mpeg2 rip is gonna take up a LOT of room |
| [11:22:22] | gbee: | directhex: I took 45 films with me on holiday, on an external 2.5" drive the size of a wallet |
| [11:22:54] | gbee: | and that's just a 160Gb drive, tiny in comparison to most |
| [11:24:14] | gbee: | I can't see I'll ever have the need to take more with me, in fact when just away for a couple of days I could fit enough on one or two SD cards to keep me entertained |
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| [11:25:53] | gbee: | 16Gb on something the size of a postage stamp – I could carry 50 of those around with my laptop and not notice the extra weight/space, more if they were mini/micro cards |
| [11:26:12] | gbee: | which I know is getting away from the point, just meandering |
| [11:26:13] | laga_: | 50 SD cards would drive me insane |
| [11:26:42] | ** laga_ adds mythtv-users archives to his search engine ** | |
| [11:26:50] | gbee: | laga_: guessing you can get a wallet, not unlike CD cases to store them in |
| [11:27:24] | laga_: | gbee: you'd need some kind of index |
| [11:27:45] | gbee: | beats carrying 100–200 DVD – 2x or 4x ISOs per card |
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| [11:31:41] | gbee: | laga_: reading the comments to the Linus SSD post, funny how many people still talk about the read/write cycles of SSD/flash even though with 'normal' use they'll last years |
| [11:31:54] | laga_: | talk about FUD.. |
| [11:32:02] | ** gbee blames fud from HDD manufacturers ** | |
| [11:32:50] | ** directhex blames propagated obsolete stupidity ** | |
| [11:32:55] | directhex: | which is always a big issue |
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| [11:56:34] | justinh: | heh. my faith in -users is returning. Albeit very slowly |
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| [12:04:15] | orly_owl: | Would a P4 1.8ghz 256mb be able to record one SD DVB-T channel and playback another with capture cards that featured hardware encoding and decoding? |
| [12:04:38] | justinh: | a little low on ram for a backend, but should be ok |
| [12:05:03] | orly_owl: | yeah i think i will double the ram (it's SDRAM btw) |
| [12:05:07] | pat__: | a p4 1.8 plays back sd tv (dvb-t) fine, I'm sure that recording a stream wouldn't be a problem as well. your ram is low |
| [12:05:14] | justinh: | considering a crap 800mhz athlon with 512MB ram can serve 3 frontends while recording one dvb-t channel... |
| [12:05:30] | justinh: | with plenty of headroom to spare |
| [12:05:33] | orly_owl: | assuming the tuners have hardware encoding |
| [12:05:47] | pat__: | dvb-t is by definition hardware encoded |
| [12:05:53] | justinh: | dvb-t doesn't need any encoding |
| [12:06:04] | justinh: | and dvb is NOT by definition hardware encoded |
| [12:06:07] | orly_owl: | pat__: oh ok. didnt know that |
| [12:06:24] | orly_owl: | conflicting opinions! |
| [12:06:26] | justinh: | all dvb tuners do is pull already encoded streams from the ether |
| [12:06:29] | justinh: | FACT |
| [12:06:42] | pat__: | you pull the already encoded signal from either the cable/satellite/transmitter |
| [12:06:48] | orly_owl: | the ether=the air? |
| [12:06:48] | justinh: | no encoding takes place on the card |
| [12:07:07] | justinh: | orly_owl: the airwaves, the cable, whatever |
| [12:07:11] | orly_owl: | k |
| [12:07:25] | justinh: | so, NO , it is NOT hardware encoded |
| [12:07:26] | orly_owl: | what's this i read about cards that support de/encoding then? |
| [12:07:35] | pat__: | so recording dvb-t could be done on a very low end computer |
| [12:07:37] | justinh: | orly_owl: only for analogue video |
| [12:07:42] | orly_owl: | ah right |
| [12:07:54] | directhex: | pat__, right |
| [12:08:12] | orly_owl: | so HD wouldn't really need more cpu grunt then SD |
| [12:08:16] | justinh: | but mysql isn't too comfy on a very low end computer :) and mythtv kind of needs that. Absolutely |
| [12:08:25] | directhex: | orly_owl, for recording |
| [12:08:32] | justinh: | orly_owl: nope, not for recording |
| [12:08:44] | justinh: | for transcoding, yes. for playback, definitely |
| [12:08:52] | orly_owl: | ok let's stick with SD for now. |
| [12:09:17] | orly_owl: | what tuners don't require firmware to be loaded? |
| [12:09:44] | orly_owl: | *that work with australian DVB-T. prefer PCI or USB |
| [12:10:12] | justinh: | why are you fussed about not needing firmware? |
| [12:10:19] | orly_owl: | it's less fuss |
| [12:10:25] | justinh: | it isn't really |
| [12:10:36] | orly_owl: | are there any such tuners? |
| [12:10:37] | justinh: | besides, it's damn hard to avoid it |
| [12:10:39] | justinh: | yes |
| [12:10:45] | justinh: | my 3 dvb-t tuners don't need it |
| [12:10:57] | orly_owl: | what model are they? |
| [12:11:11] | justinh: | leadtek lr6650. no longer available |
| [12:11:20] | justinh: | same as leadtek dtv-1000 IIRC |
| [12:11:37] | justinh: | but not needing firmware for a card is a shit excuse IMHO |
| [12:12:03] | directhex: | is orly_owl the one who wanted to run GoBuntu? |
| [12:12:11] | orly_owl: | no |
| [12:12:19] | orly_owl: | i dont run gobuntu |
| [12:12:29] | directhex: | someone did lately. they were unhappy that myth was linked against gl |
| [12:12:41] | orly_owl: | gl=opengl? |
| [12:12:43] | justinh: | and for all some people see firmware as some affront to OSS, GET OVER IT |
| [12:13:32] | justinh: | next thing, people will whine about their calculator's firmware not being open source |
| [12:14:11] | directhex: | justinh, do you have the source to those fonts? :o |
| [12:14:21] | justinh: | what fonts? |
| [12:14:32] | directhex: | the one you're using in order to read my question \o/ |
| [12:14:41] | justinh: | I couldn't care less |
| [12:15:06] | directhex: | :o why do you hate freedom? :o |
| [12:15:12] | orly_owl: | will those tuners work with /whd |
| [12:15:15] | orly_owl: | gah |
| [12:15:22] | pat__: | I use leadtek dtv-1000t x 4 with a twinhan one for the 5th channel |
| [12:15:24] | justinh: | orly_owl: they're dvb-t, so yeah |
| [12:15:45] | pat__: | friend of mine has the dvico ones, they work fine |
| [12:15:46] | justinh: | pat__: how do you keep em cool enough? they were getting too hot in my case all next to one another |
| [12:15:50] | orly_owl: | what yeah? :/ |
| [12:16:09] | justinh: | orly_owl: yeah they'll work with whatever excuse you have for HD over there |
| [12:16:15] | orly_owl: | lol ok |
| [12:16:17] | justinh: | since it's all on DVB-T |
| [12:16:26] | orly_owl: | yeah we have dvb-t |
| [12:16:29] | mzb_d800: | orly_owl: I use dtv1000t x2 + avermedia 777 |
| [12:16:32] | justinh: | all 6 channels or whatever |
| [12:16:33] | pat__: | justinh: my backend lives downstairs and the case has a fan in the side that blows straight on the cards |
| [12:16:36] | pat__: | very loud |
| [12:16:39] | orly_owl: | like the US is any better with tv standards |
| [12:16:46] | pat__: | but in the under the house laundry sound doesn't matter |
| [12:16:48] | justinh: | pat__: figures :) |
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| [12:17:12] | justinh: | any mpeg2 HD is only an excuse for HDTV ;) |
| [12:17:37] | orly_owl: | justinh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestr . . . in_Australia |
| [12:17:42] | justinh: | orly_owl: I know |
| [12:17:54] | orly_owl: | k |
| [12:18:21] | mzb_d800: | orly_owl: he's just jealous ;) |
| [12:18:26] | orly_owl: | heh |
| [12:18:31] | pat__: | as an indicator my friends p4–2.8 cannot play hd off all australian channels, only some |
| [12:18:32] | ** orly_owl counts ** | |
| [12:18:37] | orly_owl: | i get 10 channels |
| [12:18:57] | mzb_d800: | I have 5 transports ... so stop gloating ;) |
| [12:18:58] | pat__: | so the bitrate of some of them must be over the playable threshold |
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| [12:21:21] | orly_owl: | i wish cards started using f type connectors. |
| [12:21:40] | laga_: | dvb-s cards do |
| [12:21:55] | orly_owl: | dvb-t i mean |
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| [12:22:32] | pat__: | shrug, just use an adapter that you can pick up anywhere |
| [12:23:29] | mzb_d800: | pat__: I don't think that addresses some of the fundamental problems with the PAL (Belling Lee) socket. |
| [12:23:52] | justinh: | eew segfaulty. trying to create a dialog without a parent. |
| [12:24:24] | pat__: | plug a pal to ftype on the back of the card and ftype through the rest |
| [12:24:28] | pat__: | works fine here |
| [12:24:49] | mzb_d800: | (being a relatively weak design ... in particular the pin socket tends to bend/wear over time) |
| [12:25:02] | justinh: | those pal UHF connections are crap. I'm so tempted to rework all my cards, cables & my amp |
| [12:25:31] | mzb_d800: | I'm not saying that a converter doesn't work ... I'm agreeing with orly_owl in that the PAL socket is weak. |
| [12:25:35] | gbee: | justinh: should be fixed if you update again |
| [12:25:47] | justinh: | yeah am doing now |
| [12:25:48] | mzb_d800: | (If I read his comments right) |
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| [12:26:13] | justinh: | I've converted the bulk of /themes to have menu-ui.xml .. now onto testing |
| [12:26:16] | orly_owl: | yeah i'm say pal socket is dodgy |
| [12:26:21] | gbee: | justinh: still need to update the backend for the protocol change, it's the warning dialog which caused that segfault |
| [12:26:24] | mzb_d800: | *snap* |
| [12:26:47] | gbee: | justinh: owe you a beer |
| [12:27:11] | ** mzb_d800 exits ** | |
| [12:27:13] | justinh: | gbee: it's a shit job but somebody had to do it :) |
| [12:27:21] | justinh: | anyway, it might be all I end up doing with those |
| [12:27:27] | mzb_d800: | (left) |
| [12:27:28] | SovietNinja: | Thats what they said about fluffers. |
| [12:27:32] | SovietNinja: | Then viagra came along :( |
| [12:27:45] | justinh: | awww you were made redundant? |
| [12:27:51] | SovietNinja: | yes ;_; |
| [12:28:05] | orly_owl: | wtf |
| [12:29:03] | gbee: | justinh: fwiw, I'm seeing a weird QT painter issue which causes increase CPU, looks like it's redrawing the whole screen each time, just makes the menus a little slower with QT until it's fixed |
| [12:29:12] | gbee: | opengl is speedy |
| [12:29:26] | justinh: | I'm an opengl convert now |
| [12:29:40] | justinh: | since I junked the epia, the menu transition is more than tolerable |
| [12:29:43] | justinh: | fast, even |
| [12:30:41] | justinh: | is G.A.N.T still a beast though? ;) |
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| [12:32:24] | justinh: | gbee: but as far as owing beers is concerned I think it is we who owe you ;) |
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| [12:33:42] | gbee: | nothing has really changed when it comes to G.A.N.T., changes made don't make painting any faster, alpha pulse less CPU unfriendly or it's images less bloaty |
| [12:34:52] | justinh: | maybe its alphapulse steps could be changed |
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| [12:35:05] | justinh: | or make alphapulse timed if it's not already |
| [12:35:13] | gbee: | well I'll look at making it more efficient |
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| [12:35:35] | justinh: | we humans prolly won't notice steps of 1/255 alpha ;) |
| [12:36:27] | gbee: | the behaviour we see with alpha pulse isn't right, it shouldn't be causing the load that it does – consider far more complex opengl rendering that you see every day which barely touches the CPU |
| [12:36:49] | gbee: | there is a bug, we've just not sat down to figure out what it might be |
| [12:36:57] | justinh: | maybe the whole screen is being redrawn |
| [12:37:03] | directhex: | alphapulse diesn't run on a timer loop? |
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| [12:38:18] | gbee: | directhex: it does, in the sense that the redraws themselves are on a timer – every 125ms (or something) it checks whether anything needs redrawing, this is also used to time transitions in animations inc. alpha pulse |
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| [12:39:33] | gbee: | it's actually pretty efficient code and I wouldn't expect otherwise from Isaac, but there is a bug somewhere |
| [12:41:05] | gbee: | maybe I'll hunt it down at the weekend |
| [12:43:30] | justinh: | hahaha. blootube works but man it's not right |
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| [12:45:02] | justinh: | oh nice. we got the -geometry override back |
| [12:49:31] | justinh: | I need a desktop icon to force a theme reload :) |
| [12:50:29] | justinh: | ouch |
| [12:51:00] | justinh: | (process:17525): GLib-WARNING **: g_main_context_prepare(): main loop already active in another thread |
| [12:51:45] | Sulx: | mythcenter theme is broken in trunk...I'm forced to use GANT? nooooooo |
| [12:51:56] | justinh: | Sulx: mythcenter is not broken in trunk |
| [12:52:04] | justinh: | update & install the myththemes again |
| [12:52:17] | Sulx: | 18599 |
| [12:53:03] | jams: | justinh- or you could be using my start_myth program which would be ideal for what your doing |
| [12:53:38] | Sulx: | justinh: just updated all..like 30min ago |
| [12:54:18] | justinh: | can't find any 18599 ticket |
| [12:54:37] | justinh: | ah got it |
| [12:54:44] | Sulx: | svn ver |
| [12:55:02] | justinh: | Sulx: mythcenter is not broken in trunk |
| [12:55:13] | justinh: | I know, cos I just saw it |
| [12:55:43] | Sulx: | hmm |
| [12:55:52] | justinh: | Sulx: what happens? |
| [12:56:05] | Sulx: | Unable to load window 'mainmenu' from menu-ui.xml |
| [12:56:28] | justinh: | weird |
| [12:56:55] | Sulx: | it is.. |
| [12:57:03] | justinh: | does your mythcenter have menu-ui.xml ? |
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| [12:58:01] | Sulx: | actually no |
| [12:58:18] | justinh: | so, you didn't update myththemes & install em then did ya? ;) |
| [12:58:32] | justinh: | or maybe you did, but on the wrong path |
| [12:58:33] | Sulx: | I did |
| [12:58:41] | Sulx: | or at least thats what is says |
| [12:58:46] | justinh: | if you did, you'd have menu-ui.xml !!!!!! |
| [12:59:06] | Sulx: | !! =) |
| [12:59:07] | sid3windr: | !!!!! |
| [12:59:18] | justinh: | assuming it's in the .pro file... |
| [12:59:20] | justinh: | heh |
| [12:59:44] | Sulx: | ok...svn source has menu-ui |
| [12:59:57] | Sulx: | but the packager didnt include it O_o |
| [13:00:07] | justinh: | what packager? |
| [13:00:13] | Sulx: | makepkg |
| [13:00:21] | Sulx: | archlinux stuff |
| [13:00:38] | Sulx: | never done this before |
| [13:00:47] | Sulx: | I'll clean my sources and try again |
| [13:01:16] | justinh: | well, myththemes.pro doesn't state any specific filenames, so I guess any & all files/dirs should just be copied along |
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| [13:01:30] | justinh: | !trout archlinux |
| [13:01:30] | ** MythLogBot slaps archlinux with a trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [13:02:04] | Sulx: | justinh: makepkg is like shell script...that updates svn source -> qmake themes.pro -> make -> make install |
| [13:02:24] | Sulx: | so it SHOULD work...and has been working before today =) |
| [13:03:46] | Sulx: | justinh: ok...working now =) |
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| [13:08:24] | justinh: | ruh? did I never bother to put the menu clock in pooptoob? |
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| [13:18:50] | orly_owl: | Does the DTV 1000T require firmware to be loaded onto the card? |
| [13:19:00] | sid3windr: | if I want a clock I'll look at my watch |
| [13:23:12] | directhex: | orly_owl, you know most distros come with all firmware already, and load it automatically, right? |
| [13:23:22] | directhex: | orly_owl, i couldn't actually tell you which cards need it or don't |
| [13:24:12] | orly_owl: | ok |
| [13:25:00] | justinh: | orly_owl: mine doesn't – but even if it did & it doesn't come with your distro it's a TINY thing to find it & copy it to the right place |
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| [13:26:46] | orly_owl: | what tuner do you have? |
| [13:27:28] | justinh: | I told you already |
| [13:28:08] | justinh: | hate having to deal with frickin goldfish |
| [13:28:56] | orly_owl: | I always get that warm fuzzy feeling with the MythTV "community". |
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| [13:45:32] | Gnea: | Is there a setting, somewhere, to allow large files with mythtv? My FS is ext3 (supports up to 2TB filesize) so that isn't the problem, but if I try to record 4 or more hours of video, I see nothing has been saved |
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| [13:47:04] | Sulx: | not that I know of |
| [13:47:15] | justinh: | how do you mean nothing has been saved? |
| [13:47:28] | justinh: | you see no files in the directory, or you see nothing in the list of recorded shows? |
| [13:48:34] | Gnea: | no files in the dir – double-checking the list now |
| [13:48:45] | ** justinh notices what a good mood he's in again when there's no annoying muzak ** | |
| [13:48:46] | Sulx: | strange |
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| [13:49:47] | Gnea: | okay, it's still in the list, and it still thinks it's still being recorded |
| [13:49:59] | ** Gnea notes that the recording was scheduled to end over 24 hours ago. ** | |
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| [14:17:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Interesting... Turned on my frontend this morning to check the weather on The Weather Channel ... Seems that Dish Network has made TWC an interactive channel... They now have an OSD overlay of local weather... Which you can't exit without using the dish remote... |
| [14:17:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (or ssh'ing into the backend and issuing IRSEND commands to the receiver, which is what I did...) I wonder if that's a sign of what's to come for more channels? |
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| [14:17:56] | justinh: | I doubt it. thye |
| [14:18:03] | justinh: | they have to put the effort in first |
| [14:18:20] | justinh: | ooo. effort. nah |
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| [14:18:59] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ha! ;-) Yeah, they probably did that because on 'cable' you actually get 'real' local weather on TWC, but on Sat, you didn't (until now...) |
| [14:20:09] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | So now I'm thinking that I'll have to make my channel change script smart enough to get out of those interactive menus if I tune to channel 214... |
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| [14:20:34] | justinh: | if $channel=214 ... :) |
| [14:20:53] | Gnea: | this makes no sense. the backend log says that it made a snapshot of the movie file, but when i go to look in the directory, the filename is nowhere to be found, extension regardless |
| [14:20:58] | laga_: | if $channel=214 then look_out_of_the_window |
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| [14:22:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Yeah, that would do it... ;-) and kick off a shell that has a few second delay, then does the appropriate irsends to get out of the interactive stuff. That way it doesn't hold up the backend while it does it's magic... |
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| [14:24:44] | Gnea: | file size (blocks, -f) unlimited |
| [14:24:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I was also toying around with the idead in my head of being able to pop up an onscreen remote on the frontend for sending IR commands directly to the dish receiver... Would be helpful for these situations, and/or to order PPV or something (which I never do...) |
| [14:25:02] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... er make that "idea"... ;-) |
| [14:25:15] | justinh: | hey that's not an awful plan actually :) |
| [14:25:23] | justinh: | do it as a plugin or something |
| [14:27:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: Yeah, I've wanted to contribute to Myth since I got started with it a few years ago... Just that I'm getting older, and with the wife, kid, and tons of other stuff, I never seem to have enough time... (maybe it's time to make the time though! ;-) ) |
| [14:28:25] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | coding PPV support in general would be cool. |
| [14:28:37] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | I too have the "too busy" problem. |
| [14:28:50] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | although I'm reading scheduler.cpp right now... |
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| [14:31:05] | klarkc: | Hi all! |
| [14:31:09] | klarkc: | Hi, I buy a HDPVR product from hauppauge.. And I instaled the product in linux with help from hdpvr channel. Now i need install mythtv with suport for this card... Anyone can help-me? |
| [14:31:42] | Gnea: | klarkc: just install what your distribution has |
| [14:32:12] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ??? |
| [14:32:14] | laga_: | Gnea: release-0-21-fixes does not support the HDPVR |
| [14:32:21] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | download trunk and compile it. |
| [14:32:33] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | you have to get it out of source control. |
| [14:32:37] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | subversion. |
| [14:32:39] | Gnea: | laga_: he said mythtv, not the driver for the card |
| [14:32:54] | Gnea: | klarkc: www.linuxtv.org |
| [14:33:02] | laga_: | sigh |
| [14:33:03] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | the HD-PVR is also a separte download. |
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| [14:33:11] | klarkc: | oh thanks.. |
| [14:33:23] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | there is a hdpvr channel. |
| [14:33:31] | ** Gnea wonders why people get so uptight in here... ** | |
| [14:33:32] | klarkc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR |
| [14:33:35] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | there's a hdpvr page on the wik |
| [14:33:36] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | wiki |
| [14:33:37] | klarkc: | i viewing this site |
| [14:34:01] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | you repated a suggestion from 3 months ago, you must DIE! '-) |
| [14:34:14] | Gnea: | lol |
| [14:34:53] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | mythtv is cool enough that it's worth putting up with the self-appointed-moderator types. |
| [14:35:37] | klarkc: | JEDIDIAH_myth: i installed, and works with cat /dev/video0 xD now I need use with mythtv, this is possible? |
| [14:36:15] | klarkc: | what is the svn for mythtv? |
| [14:36:20] | Gnea: | JEDIDIAH_myth: how... draconian :) |
| [14:36:43] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | yup... with trunk setting up the hdpvr is much like setting up a pvr-150 |
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| [14:37:00] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | you'll have to google for the mythtv subversion link. |
| [14:37:16] | klarkc: | oh thanks, sorry |
| [14:37:53] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | np, that's what the web is for... never have to remember anything ever again. |
| [14:40:04] | klarkc: | the svn mythtv have backend and frontend? |
| [14:40:12] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | the last SVN pull I did is holding up pretty well. |
| [14:40:21] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | of course... |
| [14:40:31] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | plugins are a separate build though. |
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| [14:41:05] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | make sure you enable libfaad, it's not on by default. |
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| [14:41:29] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...and make sure your STB is set to a single progressive scan rate. |
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| [14:42:04] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | the hdpvr chokes on resolution changes and the linux decoders don't to interlaced h264 well yet. |
| [14:42:20] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...and make sure your STB is set to a single progressive scan resolution. |
| [14:42:34] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | like 720p |
| [14:42:59] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | mythtv might be able to handle 1080i but I don't think anything else does yet. |
| [14:45:56] | klarkc: | JEDIDIAH_myth: the interleced dont play correct in mythtv? =( i try with ffmpeg compiled and mplayer, and work with some issues... |
| [14:45:59] | klarkc: | =( |
| [14:46:07] | klarkc: | And i need capture from interlaced content |
| [14:46:10] | klarkc: | =/ |
| [14:46:43] | klarkc: | 480i and 720i |
| [14:46:44] | klarkc: | =/ |
| [14:47:07] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | 720i? What generates that? |
| [14:47:35] | Gnea: | welp, looks like no one else has had this problem, so i'll just have to record in chunks and edit later |
| [14:47:45] | klarkc: | ow sorry, 480i and 720p |
| [14:47:47] | klarkc: | =] |
| [14:48:09] | klarkc: | 480i from analog tv and casset video |
| [14:48:15] | klarkc: | vhs* |
| [14:48:18] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | oh... |
| [14:48:39] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | Not sure if that use case is up to snuff yet. When I was hanging out |
| [14:48:54] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | with the hdpvr devs it seemed like I was the only one interested in |
| [14:48:57] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | vhs captures. |
| [14:49:14] | UniCav: | anyone have a Sony Wega and an MCE Remote? My MCE remote learns from the Sony remote but the TV won't respond to it. |
| [14:49:36] | ** JEDIDIAH_myth never tried that with an MCE remote. ** | |
| [14:49:38] | klarkc: | xD |
| [14:50:23] | UniCav: | I just got my remote yesterday and with Myth it's perfect. I taught it the volume controls for the TV and it learns fine but point it at the tv and nothing |
| [14:50:30] | janneg: | JEDIDIAH_myth: huh? I've used s-video and composite captures exclusively for writing the driver |
| [14:51:13] | klarkc: | janneg: Here, capture works normally... But play have problems... |
| [14:51:25] | klarkc: | in mplayer and ffmpeg... |
| [14:51:42] | klarkc: | I dont test in mythtv yet |
| [14:52:09] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | how do you see what you're working with? |
| [14:52:47] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | At the time, I was the only other guy trying to use the non-HD inputs. |
| [14:53:07] | janneg: | klarkc: try ffmpeg or mplayer from svn |
| [14:53:10] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...seemed like anyways. |
| [14:53:35] | klarkc: | janneg: ffmpeg from svn play, but extrem slow... |
| [14:53:44] | klarkc: | and no audio |
| [14:54:08] | klarkc: | and ffmpeg dont use 40% of CPU... oO |
| [14:54:37] | klarkc: | I dont test from svn mplayer yet... |
| [14:54:44] | UniCav: | sounds like a compile problem |
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| [14:58:17] | JEDIDIAH_: | does anyone know what the point of the next_record column is in record? |
| [14:59:15] | GreyFoxx: | LiveTV chains mostlikely |
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| [15:02:48] | klarkc: | JEDIDIAH_: the HDPVR is th only with suport h264 implemented in mythtv? |
| [15:03:11] | janneg: | klarkc: right, ffmpeg svn won't play aac audio due to a bug |
| [15:03:33] | JEDIDIAH_: | the hdpvr is a h264 device, and the only one I am aware of. |
| [15:03:34] | klarkc: | hum janneg |
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| [15:04:42] | klarkc: | janneg: if ffmpeg dont play, mplayer dont play, because use the ffmpeg codec? |
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| [15:06:17] | iamlindoro_: | plenty of h.264 coming from DVB sources that plays fine in myth |
| [15:06:42] | klarkc: | Hi iamlindoro_ xD |
| [15:07:03] | JEDIDIAH_: | forgot about that... |
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| [15:09:01] | klarkc: | Stream #0.0[0x1011]: Video: h264, yuv420p, 720x480 [PAR 8:9 DAR 4:3], 29.97 oO yuv420p? Progressive? I capture from interleced content..... |
| [15:09:18] | iamlindoro_: | klarkc: That doesn't mean progressive |
| [15:09:26] | klarkc: | hum.. xD |
| [15:09:34] | javatexan: | I am trying to play with an idea...are there any libraries in mythtv or other that would help with the writing of a looped filesystem kind of like old surveillance video tape? As in give the process 2G of HDD space and have it loop if it fills up? |
| [15:09:35] | iamlindoro_: | it's the color space |
| [15:09:51] | iamlindoro_: | klarkc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YUV#Y.27UV420p_.28and_Y.27V12.29 |
| [15:10:02] | klarkc: | thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [15:10:07] | iamlindoro_: | no problem |
| [15:10:39] | janneg: | klarkc: it's an error in the aac parser, mplayer might have it's own or uses libfaad |
| [15:10:40] | iamlindoro_: | klarkc: If you *can* capture progressive, I would do that for now, it will play much much better in more players |
| [15:10:52] | JEDIDIAH_: | just write the video in chunks and delete the old stuff on an as needed basis. |
| [15:11:25] | klarkc: | iamlindoro_ this is because VHS tape xD |
| [15:11:31] | iamlindoro_: | ah |
| [15:12:08] | klarkc: | iamlindoro_ and s-video camera DV, i use for live capture.... |
| [15:12:14] | klarkc: | only interleced... =( |
| [15:12:26] | iamlindoro_: | klarkc: if your camera does DV, why not capture using firewire? |
| [15:12:36] | iamlindoro_: | Then your copy is a perfect digital one |
| [15:12:47] | klarkc: | iamlindoro_: because I use two cams... and one mixer |
| [15:13:16] | klarkc: | the mixer only s-video |
| [15:13:37] | iamlindoro_: | Too bad, lots of quality loss |
| [15:13:39] | AndyCap: | toss the mixer and use software. :P |
| [15:14:09] | klarkc: | xD |
| [15:14:16] | klarkc: | Lives? uahsuahs |
| [15:14:17] | klarkc: | =P |
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| [15:14:25] | klarkc: | I dont understandig this... |
| [15:14:49] | klarkc: | and firewire dont good for live transmitions.. |
| [15:14:50] | klarkc: | =/ |
| [15:14:54] | iamlindoro_: | Or maybe buy a mixer that understands DV |
| [15:14:54] | klarkc: | I think.. |
| [15:15:00] | iamlindoro_: | then go firewire in and out |
| [15:15:35] | klarkc: | iamlindoro_: I dont have 5U$ now =P |
| [15:15:53] | iamlindoro_: | Just something to think about "eventually" |
| [15:15:59] | AndyCap: | I guess mixers would use SDI or something and cost about a million bucks. :-P |
| [15:16:36] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.videomaker.com/article/7568/ |
| [15:16:41] | iamlindoro_: | Something like that would be nice |
| [15:16:54] | iamlindoro_: | DV in and out, preserve a nice digital stream |
| [15:17:37] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I'm drifting offtopic |
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| [16:06:07] | sphery: | sigh... The FAQ's font size/DPI question is completely wrong again... |
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| [16:07:00] | sphery: | perilousapricot: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . rect_this.3F |
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| [16:10:04] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: If you make an attempt to staunch the flow of wrong information into the wiki you will just go insane |
| [16:10:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: |
| [16:10:24] | sphery: | Going there now |
| [16:10:39] | sphery: | (sorry for the extra enter--too many different keyboards...) |
| [16:10:43] | fietsbel: | hej guys, when I tryu to scan for channels I'm getting a error parsing parameters |
| [16:10:44] | fietsbel: | is this normal? |
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| [16:11:48] | sphery: | Someone added a whole new section (that was, incidentally, completely incorrect) in the middle of "To set 100x100 DPI with the DisplaySize option, add a line:" (section that says to use Xft.dpi) "DisplaySize x y"... |
| [16:13:08] | sphery: | perilousapricot: I've fixed some of the info on that page, might want to reload |
| [16:13:55] | sphery: | perilousapricot: Note that the info is for 0.21 and above. If you're using 0.20, you /must/ have 100x100 DPI or it won't work right. |
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| [16:15:24] | sphery: | perilousapricot: and see the settings, "Font size" (one for Appearance (theme) and one for OSD (OSD theme)), which might be supported by your theme (but may do nothing for it). |
| [16:15:50] | sphery: | perilousapricot: And, "Fine tune font size (%)" if you don't feel like "fixing" the theme definition itself. |
| [16:15:51] | justinh: | themes need to have the size:small & size:big definitions for that to work |
| [16:15:58] | sphery: | right |
| [16:16:12] | justinh: | CBA to put that in any of mine where it isn't already present |
| [16:16:17] | sphery: | (didn't feel like explaining it--I'm never that concise. :) |
| [16:16:39] | justinh: | I hope most people never bother changing the font size.. they're all supposed to be optimum by design |
| [16:16:54] | sphery: | exactly |
| [16:17:04] | sphery: | and, having small, big, and default sizes means 3x the testing |
| [16:17:12] | sphery: | (and 9 times the work testing) |
| [16:17:31] | justinh: | time to change my shoes. doggy wants to play football |
| [16:18:04] | sphery: | sounds more fun than mowing the lawn (my next chore) |
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| [16:31:16] | jduggan: | mowing in october? meh |
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| [16:34:28] | fietsbel: | hej guys, I was wondering...I have a tv card installed |
| [16:34:31] | fietsbel: | it's in /dev/dvb |
| [16:34:35] | sphery: | jduggan: FL, I get to mow 12mos/yr :) |
| [16:34:36] | fietsbel: | how can I select that with mythtv |
| [16:34:38] | fietsbel: | as tuner card? |
| [16:34:49] | jduggan: | sphery: bastard |
| [16:35:01] | sphery: | fietsbel: mythtv-setup, change card type to DVB |
| [16:35:20] | fietsbel: | ok |
| [16:35:23] | fietsbel: | and what is this |
| [16:35:32] | fietsbel: | DiSEqC ? |
| [16:35:44] | fietsbel: | cosntantly getting |
| [16:35:44] | fietsbel: | 2008-10–09 16:15:46.104 DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1 |
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| [16:36:20] | fietsbel: | a normal dvb-c is that switch rotor or lnb ? |
| [16:36:49] | fietsbel: | or none of that? |
| [16:38:07] | fietsbel: | guys, what is this: error parsing parameters when I try to scan for channels? |
| [16:40:54] | iamlindoro_: | Lines are cheap, you can put more than two words on each of them |
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| [16:42:30] | justinh: | vot ees thees erro me sees? I read no docs |
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| [17:00:13] | fietsbel: | iamlindoro lines are cheap so instead of makinga smart answer you could at least try to answer the question |
| [17:01:20] | iamlindoro_: | ok |
| [17:01:21] | iamlindoro_: | but I |
| [17:01:24] | iamlindoro_: | with write like |
| [17:01:28] | iamlindoro_: | will write like |
| [17:01:30] | iamlindoro_: | this |
| [17:01:32] | iamlindoro_: | you should |
| [17:01:34] | iamlindoro_: | read the |
| [17:01:39] | iamlindoro_: | manual |
| [17:01:44] | jduggan: | wow |
| [17:01:45] | jduggan: | i wanna |
| [17:01:46] | jduggan: | write |
| [17:01:47] | jduggan: | like |
| [17:01:47] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: stop flooding |
| [17:01:47] | jduggan: | this |
| [17:01:50] | jduggan: | too |
| [17:01:53] | jduggan: | :\ |
| [17:01:55] | jduggan: | to* |
| [17:02:20] | iamlindoro_: | dustybin: you don't get a vote |
| [17:02:34] | jams: | stop it |
| [17:03:17] | iamlindoro_: | My point about it being obnoxious is made, I think |
| [17:03:37] | jams: | yes it has been |
| [17:04:07] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, the documentation has all the answers you seek, I highly recommend it as a read |
| [17:05:35] | fietsbel: | lol iamlindoro |
| [17:05:40] | fietsbel: | well this error aint in the manual |
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| [17:05:47] | iamlindoro_: | unfortunately, as has been mentioned a lot lately, the DVB S/T/V crowd never seems to actually write up when they get their systems working |
| [17:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | er S/T/C |
| [17:06:06] | iamlindoro_: | Especially the S and C folks |
| [17:06:32] | fietsbel: | you could also just admit you don't have the answer |
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| [17:06:50] | iamlindoro_: | Of course I do-- it's just not my job to perform the manual for you |
| [17:07:11] | iamlindoro_: | I could easily *say* that DVB-C and S need an initial transponder to perform a scan, but what fun would that be? |
| [17:07:27] | iamlindoro_: | now forget you read that and go read the manual instead |
| [17:08:14] | fietsbel: | nothing about that in post-configuration though |
| [17:09:21] | iamlindoro_: | The static docs aren't the only form of documentation, we have a wiki too you know |
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| [17:11:17] | theBishop: | is MythTV able to play Blu-Ray movies? |
| [17:11:27] | wagnerrp: | kind of |
| [17:11:32] | wagnerrp: | you cannot play them directly |
| [17:11:53] | theBishop: | you have to rip them first? |
| [17:11:57] | wagnerrp: | however they can be ripped/decrypted by anydvd |
| [17:12:07] | wagnerrp: | and subsequently played off the disk |
| [17:12:10] | theBishop: | windows blech |
| [17:12:24] | wagnerrp: | supposedly, anydvd runs just fine in wine |
| [17:12:32] | iamlindoro_: | VMWare, not in Wine |
| [17:12:39] | wagnerrp: | ah, my mistake |
| [17:12:58] | theBishop: | i think i'd prefer to keep windows off my machine entirely |
| [17:13:10] | iamlindoro_: | But Myth probably plays the resulting files better and with less hassle than almost anything-- and as of the next ffmpeg sync will have full audio codec support too. |
| [17:13:15] | theBishop: | what kind of progress is being made in BSD/GPL land? |
| [17:13:25] | iamlindoro_: | Slow but steady |
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| [17:13:48] | iamlindoro_: | There is some kludgy solution for AACS, and a small group is working on BD+ |
| [17:15:32] | theBishop: | so maybe sometime next year, i'll be able to watch the films i've legally purchased? |
| [17:15:50] | theBishop: | that would be awesome! |
| [17:15:59] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe. someone will still have to turn it from a program into a library-- I would expect a year or two |
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| [17:16:24] | iamlindoro_: | and then someone would need to add Myth support for said library, of course |
| [17:17:10] | theBishop: | blech. i love HD A/V, but the DRM is a killer... and not just in these discs |
| [17:17:11] | wagnerrp: | of course it may very well be worth the $100 such that you can play your 20 favorite movies without the disk |
| [17:17:25] | wagnerrp: | in which case slysoft is a solution right now |
| [17:17:31] | theBishop: | screw that |
| [17:17:33] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, AnyDVD HD rocks |
| [17:17:41] | iamlindoro_: | By far the simplest solution |
| [17:17:43] | wagnerrp: | ($100 being the hard drive to store it, not anydvd) |
| [17:17:44] | theBishop: | i won't buy that out of principle |
| [17:17:53] | theBishop: | ah |
| [17:17:54] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Is it possible yet to burn a ATSC 720p recording to a dual-layer DVD for playback in a blueray player? (like you could burn a DVD-structured CD that would play back on 'most' DVD players like a DVD, abeit much shorter video!) |
| [17:18:07] | theBishop: | well, if they released a linux version, i'd consider buying it |
| [17:18:39] | theBishop: | J-e-f-f-A|work, i'm guessing it depends on the file support on the blu-ray player |
| [17:18:57] | wagnerrp: | actually, how large is the average blu-ray? |
| [17:19:13] | theBishop: | wagnerrp, 50GB for dual-layer, which is most recent releases |
| [17:19:13] | wagnerrp: | i doubt most of them go over 40GB |
| [17:19:29] | iamlindoro_: | and if all you want is the movie file, 20–23 GB usually |
| [17:19:31] | wagnerrp: | theBishop: just because thats how much they store, doesnt mean thats how much they use |
| [17:19:32] | iamlindoro_: | er 20–30 |
| [17:19:41] | theBishop: | wagnerrp, yeah, i see what you're saying now |
| [17:19:46] | theBishop: | probably 25–30GB |
| [17:19:50] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | theBishop: yeah, I've only currently got an HD-DVD player – bought it for $60 when Blue-Ray won, just as a gadget... I have about 15–20 movies... |
| [17:20:09] | wagnerrp: | i know when im ripping DVDs, i frequently only get 4–5VOBs for the movie |
| [17:20:15] | theBishop: | i did see someone made an NES emulator that runs on BD-J |
| [17:20:46] | JEDIDIAH_: | I'm not sure there are any currently released movies that I would want to spend 20–50G of disk space on. |
| [17:21:24] | JEDIDIAH_: | I already use anydvd for arcos and such. |
| [17:21:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | JEDIDIAH_: Eh? a 500GB disk can be had for $70 now... |
| [17:21:53] | wagnerrp: | give it time, that 20GB is all of $2.50 anymore |
| [17:22:35] | wagnerrp: | 750s are <$100, 1.5s are <$200 |
| [17:23:01] | JEDIDIAH_: | I already have about 5TB of space. |
| [17:23:07] | JEDIDIAH_: | stuff adds up. |
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| [17:23:23] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work remembers paying around $200 each for the 6 500's he's had in his backend for the last year and a half... ** | |
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| [17:24:09] | wagnerrp: | that seems a bit much, 500s dipped below that price in my Senior year |
| [17:24:16] | wagnerrp: | that was almost 3 years ago |
| [17:24:51] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wagnerrp: It might have been 3 years ago.. I'm getting older, and time has accelerated... (DOH!) |
| [17:25:40] | wagnerrp: | well i paid more for my old 300s than i do for my current 750s |
| [17:27:21] | JEDIDIAH_: | what would a bunch of barracudas be, a school? '-) |
| [17:30:00] | fietsbel: | iamlindoro so you were telling me I needed a original channels.conf right? |
| [17:30:32] | iamlindoro_: | No. In fact, you do *not* want to import a channels.conf |
| [17:30:44] | wagnerrp: | unless youre grabbing analog from schedules direct (which youre not) you need to do a channel scan |
| [17:30:47] | iamlindoro_: | "iamlindoro_: I could easily *say* that DVB-C and S need an initial transponder to perform a scan, but what fun would that be?" |
| [17:30:49] | iamlindoro_: | is what I said |
| [17:30:54] | wagnerrp: | channels.conf is one mechanism for doing a scan |
| [17:31:06] | iamlindoro_: | He's using DVB-C |
| [17:31:11] | wagnerrp: | i know |
| [17:31:21] | iamlindoro_: | he needs to do an honest to goodness channel scan, providing it with an initial transponder |
| [17:32:05] | fietsbel: | where the hell can I find what an initial transponder is? |
| [17:32:20] | fietsbel: | I can find channels with scan and everything |
| [17:32:23] | fietsbel: | just now with mythtv |
| [17:32:34] | fietsbel: | now = not |
| [17:32:47] | iamlindoro_: | scan's output provides initial transponders |
| [17:32:54] | iamlindoro_: | first few lines, usually... |
| [17:33:39] | fietsbel: | and iamlindoro as soon as I search for chnanels I get the following : |
| [17:34:00] | iamlindoro_: | Because you are not doing what you are told |
| [17:34:04] | fietsbel: | 70.801147] dvb_ca adapter 0: DVB CAM detected and initalised succesfully |
| [17:34:09] | iamlindoro_: | ie, providing it with an initial transponder |
| [17:34:13] | fietsbel: | and it quits mythtv-setup completely |
| [17:34:55] | iamlindoro_: | taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [17:34:56] | iamlindoro_: | may help |
| [17:35:04] | iamlindoro_: | (or may not) |
| [17:35:34] | fietsbel: | cannot connect to x server |
| [17:36:18] | iamlindoro_: | You need to run it with access to X... |
| [17:36:43] | GlemSom: | If aplay -L shows me: "hdmi:CARD=Intel,DEV=0"... Then I would expect alsa to be aware of the hdmi-sound output... But using mplayer --alsa-device=hdmi says there is no such device... This is a bit confusing? :/ |
| [17:36:53] | fietsbel: | I run it as root iamlindoro |
| [17:36:59] | fietsbel: | that has access to X I presume? |
| [17:37:06] | iamlindoro_: | user has nothing to do with it |
| [17:37:35] | fietsbel: | k |
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| [17:37:48] | iamlindoro_: | GlemSom: you may need to do device=ALSA:hdmi |
| [17:37:49] | fietsbel: | but how come myth quits x when I try to scan for channels? |
| [17:38:49] | iamlindoro_: | It shouln't... anything in myth crashing X is almost always video card/driver issues |
| [17:38:53] | fietsbel: | mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:77: _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) – (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed. |
| [17:38:54] | fietsbel: | waiting for X server to shut down FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| [17:39:10] | fietsbel: | nice? |
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| [17:40:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: thanks for the patch/ticket. And, we both learned something (about the official position on updating translations). |
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| [17:40:50] | sphery: | fietsbel: There's a race condition in the current channel scanner that causes a segfault on multi-core/multi-proc systems. |
| [17:40:52] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: No problem, yeah... guess it would ust get confusing if I updated the base and the translated version remained the same |
| [17:41:04] | sphery: | fietsbel: use taskset to pin the process to a single core, then the scan works fine |
| [17:41:22] | fietsbel: | hmm :( I have no clue how to do that |
| [17:41:29] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: already gave him the command |
| [17:41:36] | iamlindoro_: | seems to have confused him |
| [17:41:37] | fietsbel: | that didn't work iamlindoro |
| [17:41:39] | fietsbel: | it has |
| [17:41:47] | sphery: | fietsbel: you do have a multi-core or multi-proc system, right? |
| [17:41:57] | fietsbel: | no |
| [17:42:04] | sphery: | fietsbel: then it doesn't apply |
| [17:42:14] | sphery: | so, nvm |
| [17:42:17] | fietsbel: | the weird thing is . when I remove the cam...it stops complaining |
| [17:42:33] | sphery: | it goes back to what iamlindoro_ said, then--crashing X is usually a problem with the drivers/card |
| [17:42:35] | fietsbel: | then it says: timeout scanning multiplex #1 found channel but it doesn't match exisiting tsid |
| [17:42:48] | iamlindoro_: | You can thank other DVB-C users for never ever EVAR documenting anything in the history of anything |
| [17:43:14] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, It will accept alsa:device=spdif but not alsa:device=hdmi even though aplay -L tells me there's an "hdmi" device :( |
| [17:43:33] | iamlindoro_: | GlemSom: ask in #mplayer? |
| [17:43:52] | sphery: | GlemSom: aplay -L no longer provides useful information (it's a new feature in new ALSA's :) |
| [17:44:02] | fietsbel: | so basicaly it crashed because of the cam on the hardware device? |
| [17:44:12] | sphery: | meaning that the old one gave useful info, but now it gives info that's useless for a user |
| [17:44:22] | GlemSom: | Ohh ok :) |
| [17:44:47] | sphery: | you can define a logical device called hdmi if you like |
| [17:45:02] | sphery: | but getting it to work with your hdmi output may be more of a challenge :) |
| [17:46:32] | justinh: | ruh? they kyboshed aplay? rotters! |
| [17:46:51] | justinh: | alsa just keep going downhill |
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| [18:01:59] | nuonguy: | what causes this? http://pastebin.ca/1223884 |
| [18:02:09] | nuonguy: | my frontend complains that it cannot connect to backend |
| [18:02:16] | nuonguy: | IPs seem right |
| [18:02:26] | nuonguy: | services seem to be running... |
| [18:02:44] | dustybin: | imagine all the cable companies / blueray discs etc start using this: |
| [18:02:46] | dustybin: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7661311.stm |
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| [18:07:26] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: From the machine running the frontend, try to telnet to 192.168.0.10:6543 |
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| [18:10:30] | nuonguy: | Dagmar: connection refused |
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| [18:11:25] | nuonguy: | what does that mean? |
| [18:11:51] | fietsbel: | hej guys, is there anyone here who knows something about dvb-c ? |
| [18:12:35] | Dagmar: | nuonguy: It means you need to login to 192.168.0.10 and run `netstat -tunap | grep 6543` |
| [18:12:59] | Dagmar: | I'm betting you don't have the backend actually listening for connections |
| [18:13:31] | nuonguy: | how would that happen? |
| [18:13:46] | Dagmar: | Many ways, none of which you want me to tell you. |
| [18:14:02] | Dagmar: | Most of them center around being incompetent and not reading documentation. |
| [18:15:09] | ** nuonguy is totally incompetent ** | |
| [18:15:26] | Dagmar: | It *might* be terrorism. |
| [18:15:28] | Dagmar: | It's hard to tell. |
| [18:16:23] | Dagmar: | Just worry about finding the problem and fixing it |
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| [18:32:23] | fietsbel: | is there anyone here who can help me solve a problem with my tvcard? |
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| [18:38:35] | kormoc: | fietsbel, sure, let me get out my crystal ball... |
| [18:39:42] | JEDIDIAH_: | nah... use some tarot cards. |
| [18:39:43] | fietsbel: | kormoc, I'm trying to set it up using the mantis drivers |
| [18:39:59] | fietsbel: | I allready was able to use scan to make a channels.conf |
| [18:40:03] | fietsbel: | now I just wanna test to see if I'm getting any imaging.. |
| [18:40:07] | fietsbel: | but don't know how to |
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| [18:42:51] | fietsbel: | can you help me kormoc ? |
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| [18:44:41] | wagnerrp: | shit yeah! computer parts came a day early |
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| [18:51:35] | klarkc: | JEDIDIAH_: I need enable any option in configure to make mythtv for my HDPVR? I using ./configure --enable-proc-opt --enable-opengl-video |
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| [18:58:51] | GlemSom: | Ok – i've been a REAL IDIOT here... I have not read the manual for my nvidia card carefully enough... I connected the FAN connecter from my graphicscard to my spdif output on my mainboard :( stupid plugs were compatible.... Anyway – what are my chances for the spdif output having survived this? |
| [19:00:54] | kormoc: | GlemSom, so you were attempting to run the fan via the spdif or you were sending power to the spdif? |
| [19:02:05] | kormoc: | fietsbel, well, have you tried tvtime/xawtv/mplayer (or whatever else can use your tv card)? |
| [19:02:12] | GlemSom: | I was sending power to the spdif kormoc ... :( |
| [19:02:19] | directhex: | fried. |
| [19:02:24] | justinh: | GlemSom: if it was 5V, prolly fine |
| [19:02:25] | GlemSom: | crap :/ |
| [19:02:36] | wagnerrp: | it was probably 12v |
| [19:02:43] | wagnerrp: | time for an RMA |
| [19:02:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, not always |
| [19:02:53] | kormoc: | those little fans sometimes do run on 5v |
| [19:03:07] | wagnerrp: | 'i dont understand, the spdif just doesnt work' |
| [19:03:16] | directhex: | a warranty return because you cocked up? sorry, but that's more than a little fib |
| [19:03:19] | kormoc: | in that case, fried |
| [19:03:26] | directhex: | it's the reason customer support sucks so much |
| [19:04:10] | GlemSom: | What have I lerned... to RTFM :/ |
| [19:04:26] | wagnerrp: | depends on the warranty. monster cables, you can cut in half with a pair of scissors right in front of a rep, and the rep will give you a brand new cable |
| [19:04:33] | wagnerrp: | or at least thats their claim |
| [19:05:20] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: come now, has our leadership taught us nothing? |
| [19:05:28] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: It's totally cool to lie now! |
| [19:05:31] | justinh: | GlemSom: even if it was 12V you'd be unfortunate. most logic can survive that for short periods |
| [19:05:44] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, your leadership, matey. i'm british. |
| [19:05:51] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: The bigger, the better! |
| [19:06:01] | GlemSom: | ffs – i've spend hourd debugging why I could not get audio over HDMI working... :( |
| [19:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Hate to break it to you, but Tony wasn't exactly the most honest thing ever ya know |
| [19:06:30] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, and we kickied him out, mid-term. |
| [19:06:36] | GlemSom: | Guess – the only right thing to do is to install Windows on it.. making sure it's not a driver issue... :/ |
| [19:06:52] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: You have a system that lends itself to that kind of thing. |
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| [19:09:54] | iamlindoro_: | (The firing, not the lying, that is) |
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| [19:27:21] | Lynet: | I'm wondering what the result will be. Will the crosspondians go for more of the same or will they pick the change dude? |
| [19:29:54] | iamlindoro_: | We'll pick "that one." |
| [19:29:59] | iamlindoro_: | mark my words |
| [19:30:50] | wagnerrp: | that was the most decisively ambiguous answer ive ever heard |
| [19:31:06] | iamlindoro_: | Not if you've been paying attention to news it's not |
| [19:31:13] | wagnerrp: | 'that one'? |
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| [19:31:28] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [19:31:43] | wagnerrp: | bah... time for a Christopher Walken write-in campaign |
| [19:31:50] | iamlindoro_: | http://news.google.com/news?client=safari& . . . =Search+News |
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| [19:32:10] | wagnerrp: | i saw a Walken '08 bumper sticker the other day, because the world needs more cowbell |
| [19:32:42] | jams: | iamlindoro- that line may go down in history |
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| [19:33:08] | iamlindoro_: | jams: It's on the internets, there's no erasing it now :) |
| [19:33:14] | Lynet: | Being that I'm not a native english speaker, is there any particular meaning to the expression "that one"? |
| [19:33:39] | wagnerrp: | apparently it was a reference to a messianic 'the one' |
| [19:33:44] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: It has mildly disrespectful/dismissive tones |
| [19:33:51] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: Not in this case it wasn't |
| [19:34:00] | wagnerrp: | commenting on how obama was claiming to magically fix everything |
| [19:34:10] | iamlindoro_: | You are reading teh wrong stuff. |
| [19:34:16] | wagnerrp: | very likely |
| [19:34:19] | iamlindoro_: | This has nothing to do with his claims, it had to do with voting record. |
| [19:34:32] | iamlindoro_: | http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/10/mcc . . . that-one.php |
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| [19:34:38] | Lynet: | iamlindoro: Oh great. So now the talking heads will blabber about it for 48 hours until they find some other insignificant detail to blabber about? |
| [19:34:56] | wagnerrp: | ah, that was something sped-read in one of the google summaries |
| [19:35:13] | iamlindoro_: | Lynet: Well it *was* disrespectful, but then again, character assassination and petulant stunts are all they have left to try |
| [19:35:56] | wagnerrp: | you could also go Hillary's route... 'theres a lot that can happen to people between now and november' |
| [19:36:23] | Dagmar: | The CIA could arrange literally dozens of fake terror attacks between now and then |
| [19:36:25] | perilousapricot: | What do you guys think? 2xPVR-150s or one PVR-500? |
| [19:36:33] | perilousapricot: | not to change the subject |
| [19:36:43] | wagnerrp: | perilousapricot: theyre effectively the same thing |
| [19:36:48] | Dagmar: | perilousapricot: Doesn't much matter. Do you have space in your case for two cards or not? |
| [19:36:49] | wagnerrp: | 2 150s will be a bit cheaper |
| [19:36:55] | wagnerrp: | 1 500 will use less space |
| [19:36:59] | perilousapricot: | yeah, I have 4 slots free |
| [19:37:06] | perilousapricot: | and i'm not planning on doing HD |
| [19:37:20] | Lynet: | iamlindoro: That might so be, but it seems a bit like wasted oxygen if people are going to talk about that for a few days instead of focusing on what should be the real issues in this election. |
| [19:37:29] | perilousapricot: | I've been reading the wiki and it seems like those are the most reccomended? |
| [19:37:43] | Dagmar: | Lynet: What do you think network news generally is |
| [19:38:09] | Lynet: | Dagmar: There is a reason why I don't watch that drek. ;-p |
| [19:38:15] | Dagmar: | It's always just sensational enough to keep people listning and watching *without* being so sensational that they write angry letters |
| [19:38:28] | perilousapricot: | dagmar: it's just hard to fill 24 hours of news |
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| [19:38:36] | perilousapricot: | dagmar: much less 4 networks worth of it |
| [19:38:37] | Dagmar: | No it's not. |
| [19:38:41] | Dagmar: | Just look at CNN. |
| [19:38:50] | Dagmar: | They just air the same stuff in two hour loops for most of the day. |
| [19:39:31] | perilousapricot: | oh, there's definately enough news, but harping all over the same 2 things over and over just overanalyses everything |
| [19:39:39] | perilousapricot: | wait, I was doing myth-talking |
| [19:39:40] | perilousapricot: | :) |
| [19:39:56] | perilousapricot: | from the wiki it seems like those hauppauge cards had the most compatibility? |
| [19:40:15] | wagnerrp: | the PVRs are very painless to use anymore |
| [19:40:27] | wagnerrp: | the drivers do nearly everything for you |
| [19:40:33] | Dagmar: | Again, have you ever watched CNN? |
| [19:40:48] | perilousapricot: | I guess it's good that 'im coming to this party late where the drivers are mature, it must've sucked in the past |
| [19:40:51] | Dagmar: | They've got three people with their own shows who do nothing but over-analyze things. |
| [19:40:52] | Lynet: | perilousapricot: Afaik, 2*150 or 1*500 are pretty much equivalent. So, depends mostly on price and available pci slots I guess. |
| [19:41:41] | perilousapricot: | I was poking around on ebay and a 500 was like 80–90? is that about normal? |
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| [19:42:13] | wagnerrp: | the price is whatever you can find it for, theyre no longer being produced |
| [19:42:20] | perilousapricot: | ahhh |
| [19:42:33] | perilousapricot: | and in either case, i'll need to have a coax splitter |
| [19:43:11] | wagnerrp: | note that the PVR tuners like higher power than the average analog tv |
| [19:43:23] | wagnerrp: | what looks perfectly fine on a TV might have reception issues on a PVR |
| [19:43:48] | perilousapricot: | yeah, I have a small apartment without any other devices, hopefully it'll work |
| [19:44:30] | perilousapricot: | are the 250's and 350's pretty equivalent then? |
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| [19:44:55] | wagnerrp: | i believe they were identical in hardware, with the 350 including an mpeg decoder and framebuffer |
| [19:44:55] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33807 |
| [19:45:22] | perilousapricot: | but the mpeg decoder is pretty unneeded? |
| [19:45:40] | wagnerrp: | correct, and support has lapsed |
| [19:45:53] | wagnerrp: | you may get it to work in mythtv, but nobody bothers to try anymore |
| [19:46:25] | perilousapricot: | is that stuff done on the videocard anyway? or does it even matter with a 1.8ghz processor |
| [19:46:44] | wagnerrp: | its done on a video card if you use XvMC |
| [19:46:50] | perilousapricot: | wagnerrp: sorry for all the questions, I was reading and came across the xvmc stuff and then I got confused |
| [19:46:54] | perilousapricot: | wow, hivemind |
| [19:47:15] | wagnerrp: | my P3 700MHz laptop has no trouble decoding mpeg2 in software |
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| [19:47:24] | wagnerrp: | SD mpeg2 anyway |
| [19:47:29] | perilousapricot: | yeah, so at SD resolutions, it's not a big deal? |
| [19:47:33] | wagnerrp: | it chokes on HD content |
| [19:47:36] | justinh: | wagnerrp: try a 1ghz epia doing sd mpeg in software. meh |
| [19:48:33] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: heheheh |
| [19:49:00] | perilousapricot: | my hardware is supported by xvmc, is that enabled by the internal player |
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| [19:49:21] | justinh: | perilousapricot: you need to a) use the right video playback profile settings and b) see a) |
| [19:49:26] | wagnerrp: | the internal player can use it if you spend some time working to get it working |
| [19:49:53] | perilousapricot: | I guess if I get an HD screen, i'll bump it up |
| [19:50:04] | perilousapricot: | but nvidia's stopped supporting it? that kninda sucks |
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| [19:51:58] | perilousapricot: | do the keypresses on the remote map to actual keystrokes? could I use it to send presess to applications that aren't lirc-knowledgable? |
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| [19:55:04] | AndyCap: | perilousapricot: on some remote solutions they do, on some they don't |
| [19:55:15] | AndyCap: | perilousapricot: if you use the input lirc driver, it does |
| [19:55:27] | AndyCap: | perilousapricot: but I think lirc has tools for doing stuff to non lirc apps |
| [19:56:04] | jams: | irexec is what your referring to |
| [19:56:24] | perilousapricot: | I'll look that direction |
| [19:56:28] | perilousapricot: | thanks for being so helpful, guys |
| [19:57:10] | jams: | or irxevent |
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| [20:07:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Humm... the "New Video Acceleration API at freedesktop.org" mentioned at teh bottom of the wiki "XvMC" page looks promising... |
| [20:07:52] | justinh: | that Middle Eastern ceasefire thing looks promising |
| [20:08:17] | perilousapricot: | yeah, jeffa, I don't think anyone's laid any code down for it |
| [20:08:53] | perilousapricot: | I think it wouldn't be too hard to write a shader to do at least the iDCT and DCT |
| [20:09:08] | perilousapricot: | and that's where most of the time is spent in mpeg decoding, right? |
| [20:10:22] | sphery: | perilousapricot: TTBOMK, the OpenGL renderer does that kind of thing (don't know to what extent, though). Currently, though, it takes a very big GPU and actually takes more CPU than Xv with software decode. |
| [20:10:39] | sphery: | oh, and it's not really stable enough to use |
| [20:10:56] | perilousapricot: | hmmmm, if I had more time (sigh), that'd be an interesting project to tackle |
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| [20:11:50] | sphery: | yep, same opinion here |
| [20:12:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | At least somebody's working on a solution for Linux, even if the manufacturers are seeminly leaving us behind... |
| [20:12:54] | perilousapricot: | are IR blasters the same as the PVR in that pretty much any choice is god |
| [20:12:58] | perilousapricot: | jeffa: definately |
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| [20:15:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: re: ir blasters — somewhat — If you've got a hardware serial port, a serial blaster works well and is simple to setup. The USB ones (such as a MCE USB receiver with IR blasters) would take less resources to transmit ir codes tough, as a serial blaster typically has to use the cpu to generate the 38khz carrier for the IR... |
| [20:15:53] | perilousapricot: | and can I control more than one device with it? |
| [20:16:16] | perilousapricot: | I've never seen the hardware before, so i'm kinda new at it |
| [20:16:29] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: Assuming they use different IR codes, yes. The MCE one comes with two IR 'eyes' for placement on the front of your devices you're controlling. |
| [20:16:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | I built a 'buffered' serial blaster, with 3 eyes myself. |
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| [20:17:01] | perilousapricot: | sweet, I want to put one to a TV and one to an AMP |
| [20:18:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: In the MythTV world, they're typically used to change channels on an Cable or Sattelite STB (SetTop Box), and then feed video into a tv tuner on the computer. |
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| [20:19:19] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: but can be used for whatever you want to control. Keep in mind that if you're using an IR remote control to send commands to Myth, and then trying to send a command to your TV, your TV may not get the command because of interference from the remote you're using for Mythtv. |
| [20:19:46] | perilousapricot: | yeah, I just want to be able to control the volume on my amp normall |
| [20:19:47] | perilousapricot: | y |
| [20:20:26] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: Analog or Digital audio? |
| [20:20:45] | perilousapricot: | it's connected to my pc through spdif |
| [20:22:05] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: Ok, digital. So you would have to control the volume on your amp. You'd probably see the best results from using a universal remote to send the volume commands directly from the remote though... You're likely to see a significant delay when going 'through' Linux/lirc, then back out again to your amp... |
| [20:22:31] | perilousapricot: | and it'd be nice to have the volume control in the controller I use for myth to control it, because I have other devices that aren't my PC |
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| [20:22:36] | AlNahar: | help friends |
| [20:22:41] | AlNahar: | 2008-10–09 15:22:16.720 Mixer unable to find control PCM |
| [20:22:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work always helps friends. ;-) ** | |
| [20:22:50] | perilousapricot: | :) |
| [20:22:53] | AlNahar: | what should i be putting for mixer device: if i am using alsa? |
| [20:23:05] | perilousapricot: | I'm also aftraid of pulseaudio stuff on ubuntu boning everything |
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| [20:24:48] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | perilousapricot: I just removed it on a FC9 frontend I built. And also my on-board audio on that board sucked (very low audio output, even at 100%) so I bought a $12.99 Chinese no-name USB audio 'card' from Micro Center, and it works great — it's about 10x louder than the onboard audio... |
| [20:25:15] | perilousapricot: | I've been doing a lot of bugtesting for ubuntu on pulseaudio |
| [20:25:22] | perilousapricot: | it was definately _not ready_ to go |
| [20:25:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: try running alsamixer from a shell with some audio playing and see which device controls the volume... then set myth to match... |
| [20:25:39] | perilousapricot: | it's oss support manages to lock the server |
| [20:26:04] | AlNahar: | J-e-f-f-A: well, if i set mixer controls to master it works, but not pcm |
| [20:27:20] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: That may be the only option for you then with your perticular sound card/motherboard/etc... I'm not exactly an expert in that area, I've just had to work via trial & error in the past to get it to work right if things weren't detected/configured properly automatically. |
| [20:27:47] | AlNahar: | i mean, alsa shows this particular card with master, pcm and front |
| [20:28:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: You're using Analog output I assume? |
| [20:28:38] | AlNahar: | yessir |
| [20:29:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: Then if 'master' works, then I'd just configure myth to control the volume with the master control. Especially if 'pcm' doesn't work even in the 'alsamixer' app... |
| [20:29:39] | AlNahar: | no no, when i use it in alsamixer it works |
| [20:29:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: Perhaps your sound 'card' doesn't support hardware PCM volume control... |
| [20:30:00] | AlNahar: | like, i am using gnome mixer applet right now, and if i switch to hda intel – alsa mixer, it has those 3 |
| [20:30:14] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: Did you try "Alsa:Default" for the mixer? [I think that's an option... checking mine...] |
| [20:30:25] | AlNahar: | yeah, if i do that, master works but it says no such thing for pcm |
| [20:30:27] | AlNahar: | or front |
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| [20:32:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | AlNahar: Well, then I'm not sure... I think you need someone more 'alsa-literate' than me for this one then!!! (I tried anyways...) ;-) |
| [20:32:35] | AlNahar: | k thx |
| [20:32:54] | Dagmar: | The wiki documents everything you need to know about configuring Myth with ALSA |
| [20:33:13] | AlNahar: | Dagmar: uh yeah, that's why i followed them then came here |
| [20:33:24] | sphery: | AlNahar: a lot of Intel HDA-type cards have no Front or PCM |
| [20:33:32] | sphery: | So the only option in Myth is Master |
| [20:33:41] | AlNahar: | sphery: k, so even though it shows up in gnome mixer, etc, you can't use front/pcm? |
| [20:34:40] | Dagmar: | The drivers for Intel HDA chipsets are NOTORIOUS for labeling things incorrectly. |
| [20:34:47] | AlNahar: | k |
| [20:35:02] | sphery: | I have no idea what gnome mixer is doing, but if there's no control by that name in alsamixer, it's faking it (i.e. making a logical volume control called PCM that's actually attached to the Master volume or--even worse--making a softvol control and hacking--I mean--controlling the volume with that) |
| [20:35:15] | AlNahar: | k |
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| [20:35:36] | AlNahar: | the default for alsamixer is pulseaudio |
| [20:35:46] | AlNahar: | i thought alsamixer -c 1 should work but it's having some problem |
| [20:35:56] | Dagmar: | What do you think that's supposed to do? |
| [20:36:04] | wolfspirit: | anyone ever experience an unresponsive EPG? I can't get it to repsond |
| [20:36:05] | sphery: | it's a whole different story when you have pulse in the mix |
| [20:36:17] | AlNahar: | sphery: i didn't even intend for it to be in it, it seems to been enabled somehow. |
| [20:36:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | wolfspirit: Is your mythfilldatabase running? |
| [20:36:36] | sphery: | AlNahar: to get pulse working, you'd probably need http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5473 |
| [20:36:44] | wolfspirit: | J-e-f-f-A: nope |
| [20:36:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work just removed pulseaudio... ** | |
| [20:37:04] | sphery: | wolfspirit: are you in the LiveTV EPG (i.e. not the GUI one)? |
| [20:37:11] | AlNahar: | sphery: so with for that, you tell mythtv to use pulseaudio for output? |
| [20:37:21] | wolfspirit: | sphery: yes |
| [20:37:23] | sphery: | AlNahar: in theory. Haven't etsted it |
| [20:37:31] | AlNahar: | ah, here we go, alsamixer -c 0 |
| [20:37:40] | Dagmar: | Why would you want to complicate things with PulseAutio? |
| [20:37:40] | AlNahar: | < Master > PCM Front Surround Center LFE Swap Cen |
| [20:37:52] | sphery: | wolfspirit: chances are you need to either change your deinterlacer (as bob and a few other cause problems)--use Linear or Kernel deint |
| [20:38:03] | kormoc: | Dagmar, cause it's cool! |
| [20:38:13] | kormoc: | Dagmar, with it, you can like... hear stuff! |
| [20:38:15] | AlNahar: | pcm seems to do nothing, but Front does effect your volume. |
| [20:38:19] | Dagmar: | kormoc: That's a stupid answer if there ever was one |
| [20:38:27] | wolfspirit: | sphery: I've seen that mentioned a few times before... where would that be I don't see that option |
| [20:38:27] | sphery: | wolfspirit: or you have a focus issue due to a broken WM and you'll need to (assuming mouse focus) move the mouse outside Myth's window, then back in |
| [20:38:30] | AlNahar: | sphery: but i typed "Front" in mythfrontend and it said it didn't recognize that one either |
| [20:38:40] | Dagmar: | AlNahar: what exact functionality is PulseAudio supposed to be getting you?? |
| [20:38:51] | sphery: | AlNahar: Myth /only/ supports Mixer Controls Master or PCM |
| [20:39:08] | sphery: | and the actual mixer device for ALSA needs to be "ALSA:default" |
| [20:39:40] | sphery: | wolfspirit: playback profiles, select the profile, then go to the 2nd page to select a deinterlacer and a fallback deint |
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| [20:39:56] | sphery: | wolfspirit: if you're using very recent -fixes, though, that should be fixed, in which case it's the focus issue |
| [20:40:09] | sphery: | (where "fixed" actually means there's a hack in place that prevents the symptom)] |
| [20:40:24] | AlNahar: | sphery: yeah, got that |
| [20:40:28] | sphery: | wolfspirit: and, really the deint would only cause an unbearably slow EPG, not "locked" |
| [20:40:41] | AlNahar: | i guess i am stuck with using "master" for now |
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| [20:40:56] | klarkc: | =/ I cant rec in moment, not sheaduled? |
| [20:40:57] | wolfspirit: | sphery: I don't see a playback profile.. I see play back group and recording profile |
| [20:41:26] | wolfspirit: | sphery: which also has me confused.. there are like 5 different transcoding profiles.. how do I know which one it picks and when? |
| [20:41:49] | sphery: | wolfspirit: mythfrontend settings, then TV settings|Playback |
| [20:42:11] | sphery: | it's in there (screen 4 or so) |
| [20:42:29] | sphery: | Best bet, though, is to just change the playback profile group to Slim |
| [20:42:36] | sphery: | Slim is what most everyone should use to start with |
| [20:42:44] | sphery: | d/most/ |
| [20:43:57] | sphery: | Slim uses deinterlacers that shouldn't cause problems (I'm pretty sure onefield is OK). See, also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles |
| [20:44:51] | wolfspirit: | sphery: well I want high definition playback and overall everything seems great (now that I've moved my tuner to my main computer that is :P) I'm using a geforce 9600 gt and an hd-3000 |
| [20:45:03] | sphery: | wolfspirit: I can't remember how the transcoding thing works. I think there's a default that's used for everything that's automatically transcoded (autodetect or something) and the only way to use the others is to explicitly say to use them in the Watch recordings screen |
| [20:45:21] | sphery: | wolfspirit: still Slim is good to start with |
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| [20:45:40] | sphery: | I've actually taken Slim and made it even slimmer. |
| [20:45:56] | wolfspirit: | sphery: it doesn't reduce quality? |
| [20:46:46] | sphery: | Slim = software decoding with Xv rendering--which is what everyone should use (and only people with underpowered frontends have to use other approaches) |
| [20:47:12] | sphery: | Slim uses "lower-quality" deinterlacers that require significantly less processor power, so work on more systems |
| [20:48:11] | sphery: | However, you can use the high-quality deinterlacers, but if you do, you'll have to learn how to use Myth properly--i.e. never use LiveTV--if you're affected by the EPG/deinterlacing bug |
| [20:48:23] | klarkc: | I can watch Live video with hdpvr in mythtv? |
| [20:49:46] | wolfspirit: | sphery: it's weird.. it's like if I turn it to channel 5 the EPG works fine but others it has issues with |
| [20:50:13] | ** justinh commits 3 days' work ** | |
| [20:50:22] | sphery: | channel 5 is probably a 720p channel (i.e. no deinterlacing required) |
| [20:50:36] | justinh: | channel 5, as in the UK channel? |
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| [20:51:07] | justinh: | channel 5 confuses myth's video scan detection all the time |
| [20:51:17] | sphery: | wolfspirit: what channel is "channel 5" (or what network is it an affiliate of) |
| [20:51:27] | wolfspirit: | sphery: nbc |
| [20:51:30] | iamlindoro_: | He's in Cincinnatti, so odds are not the UK one :) |
| [20:51:38] | iamlindoro_: | nbc = 1080i |
| [20:51:39] | justinh: | they sent a mix of progressive & interlaced to save bandwidth.. pisses me off no end |
| [20:51:43] | sphery: | if so, I want his antenna |
| [20:51:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [20:52:04] | justinh: | technically, channel 5 is now known as 'Five' here |
| [20:52:10] | justinh: | so my bad :) |
| [20:52:29] | iamlindoro_: | NBC, CBS = 1080i, Fox, ABC = 720p |
| [20:52:33] | wolfspirit: | sphery: well get this... the deinterlacing changes worked but it now it takes a long time for it to come up.. once it's up I can move through it |
| [20:53:05] | justinh: | right you feem lubbers. /themes are now working with svn trunk. bust my chops for 3 days, send no money now |
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| [20:53:16] | Dagmar: | bustbustbust |
| [20:53:42] | justinh: | well when I say working.. the menus are working. |
| [20:56:30] | sphery: | wolfspirit: long time to come up usually means you have specified channel icons that don't exist on the local machine or that can't be read by the user running mythfrontend (you can prove that's the problem if you're missing some/all channel icons in the guide and if scrolling up or down in the guide is extremely slow, but scrolling left/right works well) |
| [20:59:26] | wolfspirit: | sphery: yeah that option was enabled but I didn't see any icons |
| [21:01:03] | wolfspirit: | sphery: I bet you that was main problem |
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| [21:02:44] | sphery: | wolfspirit: if that's the problem, you should fix it. I.e. channel icons have to exist on all frontends at the exact same location. Generally, that means copying ~/.mythtv/channel to all frontends (possibly from backends). |
| [21:03:13] | wolfspirit: | or just disable icons |
| [21:03:16] | wolfspirit: | heh |
| [21:03:17] | sphery: | wolfspirit: or, if you have a broken--I mean--other than ideal configuration where one of mythfrontend and mythbackend runs as root and the other as mythtv, you'll have to copy from one user to another |
| [21:03:42] | wolfspirit: | I don't really care about icons.. that was on by default |
| [21:06:12] | wolfspirit: | sphery: thanks for the help.. even though on some channels it takes awhile longer it's a helluva lot better then before |
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| [21:06:26] | sphery: | good. enjoy |
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| [21:28:15] | Agrajag-: | does anyone happen to know the db settings.value for myth to only tune dvb cards when they're needed, rather than all the time? |
| [21:28:38] | Agrajag-: | hmm i just thought maybe that's not in the settings table.. i'll keep looking |
| [21:29:28] | Agrajag-: | yeah capturecard.dvb_on_demand has got to be it |
| [21:29:31] | Agrajag-: | thanks Agrajag- |
| [21:29:33] | Agrajag-: | no worries |
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| [21:34:04] | gbee: | trunk compatible metallurgy here – http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy/met . . . 10_09.tar.gz |
| [21:34:24] | justinh: | 09? ;) |
| [21:34:34] | gbee: | haven't had time to sort out some of the plugins, but at least the menu works |
| [21:34:43] | gbee: | justinh: meh |
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| [21:39:40] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy/met . . . 10_08.tar.gz |
| [21:39:56] | gbee: | fixed an accidental commit of scrolling text too |
| [21:40:06] | gbee: | commit/packaging |
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| [21:56:02] | fietsbel: | hej guys, anyone here who knows a little bit about dvb? |
| [21:57:16] | orly_owl: | You'd damn well hope so. |
| [21:57:23] | wolfspirit: | heh |
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| [22:00:30] | fietsbel: | 2008-10–09 21:39:31.280 Failed to handle tune complete. |
| [22:00:30] | fietsbel: | mythtv-setup: ../../src/xcb_lock.c:33: _XCBUnlockDisplay: Assertion `xcb_get_request_sent(dpy->xcb->connection) == dpy->request' failed. |
| [22:00:37] | fietsbel: | seen that before? |
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| [22:08:22] | fietsbel: | well orly_owl ? |
| [22:08:45] | orly_owl: | No speak English. |
| [22:09:01] | fietsbel: | lol |
| [22:09:58] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [22:10:37] | kormoc: | orly_owl, so erm... you do understand this is a 'family friendly' channel and swearing is discouraged? |
| [22:11:46] | orly_owl: | Oh right. Didn't think I was that bad. |
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| [22:33:46] | gbee: | fietsbel: known issue, not sure if it's supposed to be fixed but make sure you are using the latest version of -fixes anyway |
| [22:34:06] | gbee: | it's a QT thing |
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| [23:37:52] | justdave: | wow... |
| [23:38:01] | justdave: | snail mail from Charter actually advertising CableCARD |
| [23:38:30] | justdave: | from all the reports I've heard from people about how hard it is to get them to acknowledge it even exists when you ask for them... :) |
| [23:39:43] | justdave: | of course, their implied usage for them is for a "compatble digital television" and not media centers. :) |
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| [23:55:12] | wolfspirit: | can you make a mythtv frontend go to the channel you are recording when it's schedule time hits? |
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