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| [00:00:24] | buttons1: | iamlindoro: why can't you do digital capture of for-pay satellite in the US? |
| [00:00:49] | iamlindoro: | Because it's encrypted. |
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| [00:01:20] | GreyFoxx: | And they wont selling any soft of cam to access it |
| [00:01:42] | GreyFoxx: | err any SORT of cam I mean |
| [00:01:54] | iamlindoro: | paging dr. freud |
| [00:01:57] | directhex: | lynch GreyFoxx for using forbidden phrases! |
| [00:02:06] | GreyFoxx: | If the sat providers allowed users to buy proper cams they would have a lot of converts |
| [00:02:12] | buttons1: | iamlindoro: does that mean the capture card has to be able to decrypt it or does mythtv have to do that? |
| [00:02:38] | iamlindoro: | Your Satellite Set Top Box does that, Myth just captures the analotg outs (S-video, composite, etc.) |
| [00:03:04] | directhex: | buttons1, the capture card would need to do the decrypting, for digital capture of encrypted satellite |
| [00:03:08] | directhex: | buttons1, and it can't. |
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| [00:04:34] | buttons1: | So I will only be able to capture the analog signal from it? |
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| [00:04:41] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [00:04:46] | iamlindoro: | That's what we keep saying, yes. |
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| [00:06:31] | buttons1: | What if it was an HDTV receiver? |
| [00:06:44] | iamlindoro: | You would still be limited to the analog outs. |
| [00:06:45] | GreyFoxx: | Still analog |
| [00:07:00] | wolfspirit: | has any ever reported that the internal player is slower on dvd playback than say vlc? |
| [00:07:11] | GreyFoxx: | You can get a HDTV recording via the component outputs if you use an hdpvr, but it's not a digital source |
| [00:07:36] | iamlindoro: | and is also only for the adventurous, currently |
| [00:08:11] | iamlindoro: | ie, able to compile and patch myth from scratch without help, able to compiole and patch the driver without help, willing to help solve bugs with the very alpha support for it |
| [00:08:29] | iamlindoro: | Well... maybe it's fair to call the support beta-ish now |
| [00:09:03] | buttons1: | Ok I will stick to the non hd. thanks for the help. |
| [00:09:20] | iamlindoro: | come .22 it ought to be a pretty nice choice, though |
| [00:13:52] | buttons1: | does the hauppauge pvr 150 card do hardware encoding? |
| [00:14:03] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
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| [00:14:41] | smithna: | has anyone compiled svn this evening? (trunk)... |
| [00:15:06] | Anduin: | smithna: some minutes ago |
| [00:15:47] | smithna: | hmm.... I get some compile errors with some of the plugins. It's most likely just me... |
| [00:16:13] | buttons1: | why do the satelite companies encrypt the digital signal? |
| [00:16:40] | iamlindoro: | For the same reason all content providers do it-- to prevent redistribution of a perfect digital copy. |
| [00:17:31] | buttons1: | So it is a copyright issue? |
| [00:17:56] | kormoc: | buttons1, they encrypt so people can't put up their own dish and get it all for free |
| [00:18:33] | buttons1: | Ok |
| [00:18:45] | buttons1: | thanks for the help. |
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| [00:19:04] | smithna: | Anduin: what version of g++ are you using? |
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| [00:19:57] | Anduin: | smithna: 4.3 |
| [00:20:48] | smithna: | ok, guess that's not it. |
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| [00:22:35] | Anduin: | smithna: did you distclean? |
| [00:22:44] | smithna: | yeah.... |
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| [00:24:44] | carrot_top: | Has anyone used this tuner card: pcHDTV HD-5500? |
| [00:25:18] | smithna: | I think I figured it out.... I didn't get a full svn pull initally |
| [00:27:45] | carrot_top: | Can someone tell me a high quality tuner card for around $200? |
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| [00:30:13] | carrot_top: | Can someone tell me a high quality tuner card for around $200? |
| [00:30:55] | jamesd: | kworld 115 are nice and digital.. usually around $80 on sale |
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| [00:31:40] | carrot_top: | easily supported under linux? |
| [00:31:55] | jamesd: | takes a bit of work, but well documented. |
| [00:32:21] | carrot_top: | ok |
| [00:32:28] | carrot_top: | anymore ideas? |
| [00:32:53] | iamlindoro: | 115 is a nice card, the pcHDTV 5500 is fine, KWorld 110 is fine, HDHomerun is fine, etc. |
| [00:32:55] | jamesd: | spend the left over on a nvidia video card and/or diskspace |
| [00:33:10] | iamlindoro: | for $200 you can easily get 3 nice digital tuners. |
| [00:33:19] | iamlindoro: | (if you were so inclined) |
| [00:33:28] | carrot_top: | ok |
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| [00:33:39] | iamlindoro: | an HDHomerun is 2 digital tuners, and any of the aforementioned on top of that |
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| [00:34:30] | iamlindoro: | All of the cards that have been mentioned have good wiki pages at wiki.mythtv.org for detailed info. |
| [00:38:09] | wolfspirit: | I bought the hd-3000 off of ebay because I saw something online that said it had better support than the hd-5500 |
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| [00:40:50] | iamlindoro: | the HD-5500 has been supported for years |
| [00:41:32] | iamlindoro: | And well supported at that. |
| [00:42:16] | wolfspirit: | it might have been an old article.. the guy who wrote it said he was the one who had wrote a lot of the code in mythtv for it and he was biased toward the 3000 vs. the 5500 |
| [00:42:59] | iamlindoro: | It would have to be-- the old HD cards had their own card type before everything was standardized under the DVB API |
| [00:43:11] | iamlindoro: | not digital cards require no special code in myth |
| [00:43:13] | iamlindoro: | er now |
| [00:43:22] | wolfspirit: | ah |
| [00:43:39] | wolfspirit: | I guess either way.. the 3000 is still a good card right? I got it for 80 off of ebay |
| [00:43:40] | iamlindoro: | This is what happens when people don't update their blogs-- that card type has been gone a long time |
| [00:43:54] | iamlindoro: | the 3000 is okay, but the 5500 is actually the card that replaced it |
| [00:44:01] | wolfspirit: | doh |
| [00:44:07] | iamlindoro: | if you feel you got a good deal and you like what you got out of it, that's all that matters. |
| [00:44:21] | wolfspirit: | well I don't have it yet ;) should have it by tomorrow |
| [00:44:24] | iamlindoro: | if it works, and you don't feel ripped off, then no big deal |
| [00:44:34] | iamlindoro: | ah... in that case, yes, d'oh. |
| [00:44:45] | iamlindoro: | Could have bought almost two HVR-1250s for that |
| [00:44:59] | iamlindoro: | which would give equivalent function with newer cards x 2 |
| [00:45:17] | wolfspirit: | yeah |
| [00:45:48] | wolfspirit: | do you think a geforce fx 5200 should be a good enough video card to play the high def stream? |
| [00:46:04] | wolfspirit: | that's the current video card I have in there |
| [00:46:25] | wolfspirit: | I have it plugged into my hdtv using standard vga |
| [00:46:30] | iamlindoro: | In most cases, yes. With certain PCI 5200s there can be issues, but if it's AGP then you likely have nothing to worry about. |
| [00:46:54] | wolfspirit: | it's PCI |
| [00:47:10] | wolfspirit: | I have an agp geforce 2.. but I thought the 5200 pci would be better |
| [00:47:17] | iamlindoro: | Then you should be fine to display up to 720p. 1080i can/may be an issue. |
| [00:47:29] | wolfspirit: | my tv is 720p anyways |
| [00:47:36] | iamlindoro: | You should be fine, then. |
| [00:47:37] | wolfspirit: | 32 inch vizio |
| [00:48:57] | wolfspirit: | not to bother you with questions but you seem to know a decent amount about the hi-def setups.. how much high definition content do you think I could store on a 40 gig hard drive? |
| [00:49:09] | iamlindoro: | 4–6 hours |
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| [00:49:35] | wolfspirit: | I have a 250 gig and a 750 gig in my desktop.. I could move those over but didn't want to just yet |
| [00:49:40] | iamlindoro: | HD broadcast content tends to run from 6–8 GB and hour. |
| [00:49:43] | iamlindoro: | er an hour |
| [00:49:46] | jamesd: | HD usually takes 7GB per hour. |
| [00:50:21] | wolfspirit: | with the live tv broadcasting how does mythtv handle that? is there a cache setting I could set to tell it to drop it after a certain amount? |
| [00:50:55] | iamlindoro: | Myth simply records all live TV, it's not a ring buffer. It will automatically expire it when space gets low or after 24 hours by default |
| [00:50:56] | jamesd: | it records every show you watch untill you change the channel. |
| [00:51:24] | iamlindoro: | and no, you cannot avoid recording live TV |
| [00:51:27] | wolfspirit: | hmmm.. I think I will just move my 750 gig over lol |
| [00:51:50] | iamlindoro: | probably a wise decision |
| [00:51:59] | wolfspirit: | oh wait.. I can't it's SATA |
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| [00:53:34] | carrot_top: | If I have an HDTV satellite receiver and an HD tuner card, would I be able to use it to watch digital tv on my computer? |
| [00:53:48] | iamlindoro: | still no |
| [00:53:53] | iamlindoro: | just as no as 30 minutes ago |
| [00:54:17] | wolfspirit: | lol |
| [00:54:21] | iamlindoro: | your HD receiver does not pass a signal that is tunable by a digital tuner card |
| [00:55:00] | carrot_top: | So even if I wont need an hd tuner card to record it? |
| [00:55:14] | iamlindoro: | No. Because you'll be recording in SD. |
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| [00:55:21] | carrot_top: | thanks |
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| [00:55:42] | iamlindoro: | 45 minutes until he comes back again and asks the same question... again. |
| [00:55:49] | fryfrog: | didn't even get to find out about the hd-pvr |
| [00:55:59] | iamlindoro: | told him last time |
| [00:56:03] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [00:56:07] | iamlindoro: | 30 mins ago |
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| [01:10:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro: aspect ratio entries on MPEG-2 recordings? |
| [01:10:34] | iamlindoro: | yes. |
| [01:11:00] | iamlindoro: | Although this may be different... it gets into an infinite loop |
| [01:11:20] | sphery: | ok, just checking. since you have an HD-PVR, I wanted to make sure it wasn't that it was trying to pull it out of the wrong type of stream |
| [01:11:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://rafb.net/p/QvN3aI34.html |
| [01:11:47] | iamlindoro: | It will attempt infinitely to insert that same timestamp/aspect change |
| [01:12:20] | sphery: | weird |
| [01:12:26] | iamlindoro: | Won't accept the failures, so it just does it as fast/many times as it can, ruining DB access and causing recordings to fail |
| [01:12:34] | iamlindoro: | not fail outright, but they're corrupt |
| [01:13:34] | sphery: | yeah, probably I/O related failure |
| [01:13:34] | iamlindoro: | thus why I am not watching the debate right now. :) |
| [01:14:18] | sphery: | I'm recording it. Have to wait 'til I'm in the mood. |
| [01:14:24] | iamlindoro: | I am wondering whether this is a situation that will happen in situations like mine where there is often negative PTS |
| [01:14:39] | iamlindoro: | creating the duplicate entry scenario |
| [01:17:06] | iamlindoro: | reverting to 18557, ought to solve this AFAICT |
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| [01:21:42] | SpaceBass: | hey folks – I have a "can myth do X" question – we got rid of cable and would like to use a mythtv backend with a capture card as a way to stream LIVE tv (as well as recorded) to frontends around the house – can myth stream live streams? |
| [01:25:32] | jhulst: | SpaceBass: yes it can |
| [01:25:43] | sphery: | Myth can record TV on a backend. Frontends can watch recordings (including recordings in progress) from any backend on the network. However, Myth is not ideal for LiveTV. |
| [01:25:57] | SpaceBass: | jhulst and sphery thanks |
| [01:26:08] | sphery: | And, you'd need a different capture card per frontend that's watching LiveTV. |
| [01:26:19] | SpaceBass: | I have a capture device on our main "frontend" but Id love to centralize it |
| [01:26:33] | SpaceBass: | have one place where it comes into the house and then let multiple "front ends" tap into that |
| [01:26:36] | sphery: | Unless some watch it as recordings in progress (where when the show ends, the "other" frontend has to find the next recording in progress and enter it). |
| [01:26:57] | SpaceBass: | its unlikely that we'd have more than one live stream being watched at once |
| [01:27:01] | SpaceBass: | but maybe two...maybe |
| [01:27:37] | sphery: | IMHO, though, you're much better off learning to use Myth properly (i.e. record everything you might possibly want to watch and never use LiveTV). |
| [01:29:01] | SpaceBass: | sphery: I don't disagree with that, with the exception of two usecases ... 1) something like the debate tonight and 2) channel surfing when you haven't pre-planned |
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| [01:29:28] | jams: | jeez sphery you make it sound like livetv is awful and barely works |
| [01:29:49] | SpaceBass: | we get 90% of our content as downloads...but its the live events where we'd like to be able to use any frontend to tap into a central live feed |
| [01:30:08] | sphery: | Well, I'm recording the debate because I was doing other stuff when it started. I'll watch it when I get to it. |
| [01:30:43] | sphery: | And, channel surfing when you haven't pre-planned is a waste when you have 10's or 100's of existing recordings. |
| [01:31:11] | sphery: | (because the recordings are things you want to watch, as opposed to whatever garbage is currently being broadcast) |
| [01:31:47] | sphery: | actually the "because I was doing other stuff" is really more of a "so I could do other stuff without worrying about missing the debate" |
| [01:32:07] | SpaceBass: | well thats a debate on usage habbits and while I don't disagree, the spousal acceptance (and guest room acceptance) factor is very low |
| [01:32:21] | sphery: | jams: IMHO, LiveTV is awful, but not because of Myth. |
| [01:33:27] | SpaceBass: | I've had a DVR since TiVo first came out ... I'm no stranger to the concept ... but there are times when you want live TV and my question is wheter I should get an extra USB HD tuner for each frontend or can I centralize it wit a myth backend |
| [01:33:47] | sphery: | backends always record |
| [01:33:51] | sphery: | frontends never record |
| [01:33:54] | sphery: | LiveTV is a recording |
| [01:34:13] | jams: | SpaceBass- centralize it at the backend |
| [01:34:26] | sphery: | backends and frontends can be but need not be on the same computer |
| [01:34:43] | sphery: | and frontends can play recordings from any backend |
| [01:34:48] | SpaceBass: | sphery: I'm borrowing the myth term of "frontend" when I really mean that I have a mac mini on each TV in the house ... so i could add an EyeTV (USB HD tuner) to them or I could run MythTV Frondend |
| [01:35:22] | SpaceBass: | jams: thanks – I guess I'm hearing that its at least worth a try |
| [01:35:58] | jams: | SpaceBass- for what it's worth i have 5 tuners in the backend that serve 3 frontends for livetv+ recording |
| [01:36:11] | SpaceBass: | 5 tuners? nicely done! |
| [01:36:18] | jams: | sometimes there are conflicts where one frontend is unable to secure a tuner but it's rare |
| [01:36:42] | SpaceBass: | things changed for me once I was willing to get rid of cable and the premium (IE encrypted) channels |
| [01:38:44] | SpaceBass: | thanks guys – I've learned enough that its at least worth investing more...might be time to order a pcHDTV tuner |
| [01:38:49] | SpaceBass: | or do you guys like something else? |
| [01:39:11] | sphery: | I have 4 pcHDTV HD-3000's |
| [01:39:29] | iamlindoro: | For digital tuners, there are many good choices. For the price of an HD-550 you can also have an HDHomeRun which is a nice dual tuner |
| [01:39:33] | iamlindoro: | er 5500 |
| [01:39:39] | iamlindoro: | and network attached, too. |
| [01:39:44] | sphery: | a friend has 4 Avermedia A180's. The A180 is much cheaper than the HD-5500 |
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| [01:43:39] | SpaceBass: | i like the idea of a dual tuner |
| [01:43:55] | SpaceBass: | coming right off the antenna it shouldn't be much signal loss either |
| [01:45:04] | squish102: | does mythtv work with a DLNA Certified tv? like a samsung LNxxA750 |
| [01:46:14] | SpaceBass: | this HDhomerun thing is interesting |
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| [01:59:02] | lcdn00b: | hi |
| [01:59:16] | lcdn00b: | w00t |
| [01:59:22] | lcdn00b: | for analog cable what video card is recomended in newegg? Mmm.. I am bit confuse because of the thousand types of cards out there |
| [01:59:36] | lcdn00b: | hello? |
| [01:59:50] | lcdn00b: | this is my first time doing this |
| [02:00:02] | lcdn00b: | I need hardware that works outta da box |
| [02:00:14] | squish102: | i have a haupage pvr-150 that works pretty much out the box |
| [02:03:16] | lcdn00b: | thanks, I have a p3 and basic cable |
| [02:06:58] | sphery: | lcdn00b: did you really mean video card (=graphics card) or capture card |
| [02:07:18] | lcdn00b: | he my bad,, capture card |
| [02:07:24] | sphery: | the PVR-150 is definitely a good capture card for analog |
| [02:09:07] | lcdn00b: | well it's not sold in newegg |
| [02:09:25] | lcdn00b: | they are all above 1000 |
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| [02:10:26] | lcdn00b: | oh wait, this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116629 |
| [02:11:00] | lcdn00b: | it says WIN, does it mean is for m$$?? |
| [02:11:34] | sphery: | that one's the right one (though it's a low-profile version, so probably more expensive than the normal) |
| [02:11:45] | squish102: | that is the one I have, but it is probably very old by now and there may be much better cards out there |
| [02:11:47] | lcdn00b: | by the way $69!!?? |
| [02:11:59] | wagnerrp: | the mpeg tuners are absolutely the way to go for analog |
| [02:12:08] | squish102: | do u not want any card that can also do high def? |
| [02:12:10] | iamlindoro: | less punctuation |
| [02:12:15] | wagnerrp: | and the only ones mythtv supports are ivtv |
| [02:12:18] | lcdn00b: | squish102: which one do you reccomend? |
| [02:12:24] | wagnerrp: | so just search for any ivtv compatible card |
| [02:12:25] | sphery: | yeah, anything <$40 is a frame grabber that requires your CPU to do the encoding to MPEG/NUV. You won't be able to do that with a P3 |
| [02:12:46] | lcdn00b: | wagnerrp: even for basic cable? |
| [02:13:02] | squish102: | lcdn00b dont ask me, i've pick up some really cheap cards and they work, probably not the best |
| [02:13:14] | wagnerrp: | basic cable is analog correct? |
| [02:13:25] | lcdn00b: | yes |
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| [02:13:41] | squish102: | if u have basic cable, u may still get unencrypted QAM HD signal |
| [02:13:50] | wagnerrp: | so then yes, ivtv cards (PVR-150 and friends) are the only recommended cards for analog |
| [02:14:04] | lcdn00b: | argh.. this case I can get a proper cpu |
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| [02:14:42] | wagnerrp: | dont get a proper cpu, get a proper tuner card, save yourself the headache |
| [02:14:49] | lcdn00b: | squish102: over cable? |
| [02:15:09] | lcdn00b: | wagnerrp: well, mpeg compatible |
| [02:15:14] | wagnerrp: | lcdn00b: cable providers are required to transmit at least the local broadcast stations over QAM |
| [02:15:25] | lcdn00b: | wagnerrp: ivtv doesn't grab analog? |
| [02:15:33] | squish102: | lcdn00b, yip, im with time warner and get about 10 HD signals |
| [02:15:33] | wagnerrp: | meaning if you have any form of cable, you get those channels |
| [02:15:47] | wagnerrp: | depending on the provider and the area, they may give you more than that |
| [02:15:51] | lcdn00b: | squish102: awsome |
| [02:16:00] | wagnerrp: | ivtv cards are analog tuners |
| [02:16:16] | lcdn00b: | squish102: which one do you use? |
| [02:16:21] | lcdn00b: | or rocemmend? |
| [02:16:22] | squish102: | HD tuners can normally be picked up cheaper than analog cards |
| [02:16:43] | wagnerrp: | hd tuners just capture an mpeg stream |
| [02:16:55] | wagnerrp: | there is no need for audio or video capture, or an mpeg encoder |
| [02:17:00] | squish102: | looking for cheap? let me check newegg quickly for a card like mine (mine is discontinued) |
| [02:17:04] | wagnerrp: | just a data copy |
| [02:17:33] | wagnerrp: | and theyre not HD tuners, but rather digital tuners |
| [02:17:40] | sphery: | lcdn00b: but there's no way your P3 would be able to decode an HDTV video |
| [02:18:05] | wagnerrp: | sphery: get an nvidia card with xvmc and it should handle it just fine |
| [02:18:09] | sphery: | So you'd need to upgrade (to a P4 3GHz or a Core/Core 2 or an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ or better) |
| [02:18:23] | sphery: | a Pentium 3? |
| [02:18:31] | lcdn00b: | ok got it |
| [02:18:46] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine so, ive never actually used xvmc so i dont know how much it offloads |
| [02:19:10] | lcdn00b: | sorry my bad p4!!! |
| [02:19:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, it's rather... random and at time it can hurt performance a ton |
| [02:19:18] | sphery: | It might work, but I wouldn't touch XvMC with a 40-foot antenna mast |
| [02:21:09] | lcdn00b: | squish102: this type? TV Tuner: ATSC / ClearQAM / NTSC |
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| [02:26:12] | squish102: | lcdn00b http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices |
| [02:26:14] | wagnerrp: | hey! i hit the 100 day uptime mark on my backend in a couple hours! |
| [02:26:38] | wagnerrp: | i usually dont make it that far without breaking something, or otherwise need to reboot due to my fiddling |
| [02:26:58] | sphery: | wagnerrp: must be using quite the timestretch setting... Only took a couple of hours to get 100-days uptime. |
| [02:28:05] | wagnerrp: | its odd to see 'top' shift over to hours instead of minutes on processes |
| [02:29:08] | lcdn00b: | I get it, ivtv supported |
| [02:29:18] | sphery: | BOINC will get it to hours in just over an hour. :) |
| [02:30:19] | wagnerrp: | i mean it runs to 999 minutes before switching over to '16.7H' |
| [02:30:37] | sphery: | Hmmm. What's this: 2642 me 39 19 49396 46m 1780 R 94 2.3 2889:18 astropulse_4.35 |
| [02:30:43] | sphery: | Is that 2889 hours? |
| [02:30:51] | kormoc: | I had to upgrade to a 64 bit machine because my 32 bit machine was about to overflow it's uptime counter... |
| [02:31:06] | sphery: | nice :) |
| [02:31:13] | ** kormoc is only joking of course :P ** | |
| [02:31:22] | wagnerrp: | ' 3565 me 1 96 0 32012K 19872K select 0 32.4H 4.25% Xvnc' |
| [02:31:29] | wagnerrp: | different version of top i suppose |
| [02:31:35] | kormoc: | or the default settings |
| [02:32:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: cool. With an H... Here's a more normal BOINC: 3497 me 39 19 56232 42m 1932 S 73 2.1 84:35.05 setiathome-5.28 |
| [02:32:30] | sphery: | that one's 84 1/2 hours |
| [02:32:47] | wagnerrp: | looks like 84 minutes to me |
| [02:32:56] | wagnerrp: | 35.05 seconds |
| [02:33:02] | sphery: | OK. |
| [02:33:12] | sphery: | So, the 2889 is minutes, then... |
| [02:33:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:33:35] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, i would have some 45 hours of CPU usage for lirc |
| [02:33:39] | sphery: | still 48 1/4 hours on an Athlon X2 6000+ is pretty impressive |
| [02:34:25] | wagnerrp: | bleh, ive written code for personal use that takes longer than that |
| [02:35:13] | wagnerrp: | well, for a class anyway |
| [02:35:25] | kormoc: | sphery, that's like saying drinking a gallon of water from a huge waterfall is impressive cause you used a big glass :P |
| [02:35:48] | sphery: | :) |
| [02:36:28] | kormoc: | Hrm... Mythweb is attempting to allocate 32 gigs of ram for my recordings screen... I have a feeling that's not quite right... |
| [02:37:03] | wagnerrp: | should be allocating no more than 32 megs |
| [02:37:25] | wagnerrp: | considering thats the default php limit |
| [02:37:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, you can try to allocate as much as you want... The key is to try |
| [02:37:54] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [02:38:26] | squish102: | any1 interested in a pretty good deal on a tv? Samsung LN52A650 52" 1080p 120Hz Widescreen LCD HDTV $1,678 http://shop3.frys.com/product/5545680 |
| [02:38:31] | kormoc: | that and I give mythweb half a gig so I can use my nifty new search improvements (Show my all the shows that I have not seen and are not scheduled to record yet) |
| [02:38:33] | squish102: | if u in the market |
| [02:38:34] | lcdn00b: | can anyone recommend a good ivtv compatible card? |
| [02:38:43] | kormoc: | lcdn00b, the pvr 150 is nice |
| [02:39:52] | squish102: | is it worth any time to try get an Ati HD 3200 onboard video card working? |
| [02:40:12] | squish102: | of just give up and stick an nvidia card in the machine? |
| [02:40:20] | wagnerrp: | it *should* work fine with the fglrx drivers |
| [02:40:27] | wagnerrp: | its worth a try if you dont have a card on hand |
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| [02:40:44] | squish102: | wagnerrp that is what i was hoping when i bought the mobo for a FE |
| [02:41:00] | sphery: | Here's a nice one... top/Cumulative Time on/Sort by Time: 3491 me 15 0 5204 3152 1296 S 0.0 0.6 40473:23 674,33 boinc |
| [02:41:01] | squish102: | it even has hdmi on mobo with audio |
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| [02:41:41] | wagnerrp: | almost a month |
| [02:42:14] | squish102: | problem is that it will not play HD content, it just freezes :( |
| [02:42:15] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [02:42:44] | squish102: | even with the latest fglrx drivers |
| [02:43:05] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, too bad I don't have your uptime. On that machine: 22:42:58 up 28 days, 6:02, 1 user, load average: 1.02, 1.02, 1.00 |
| [02:43:22] | sphery: | so, basically, nearly the whole processor time is spent on BOINC |
| [02:44:09] | wagnerrp: | i used to run seti in my youth... then i realized it was burning up my laptop |
| [02:44:21] | sphery: | Yeah. Not good for laptops. |
| [02:44:35] | wagnerrp: | luckily i stopped while i still had warranty |
| [02:44:37] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [02:44:50] | kormoc: | attempting to give something 080324000000400004672680000004893746400 stars |
| [02:44:52] | sphery: | My laptop and my Myth dev box are the only 2 machines I don't run it on. Former because of heat. Latter because the system doesn't run often enough. |
| [02:45:10] | sphery: | kormoc: what show is that? It must be /really/ good. |
| [02:45:36] | wagnerrp: | the database allows that large of numbers in the field? |
| [02:45:42] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [02:45:47] | ** sphery wonders if there are that many stars in the Milky Way ** | |
| [02:45:55] | kormoc: | seems to actually take a string which is getting converted to a int |
| [02:46:02] | Dagmar: | I'm betting it's porno |
| [02:46:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i wonder if there are that many atoms in the solar system |
| [02:46:29] | kormoc: | "0.0000002008-09–121Default00Default001JailClockGrilling tuna on a chimney charcoal starter; avoiding fake soy sauce; tuna steaks.Horror1168170DISNPThe Travel Channel001223436600" |
| [02:47:12] | kormoc: | but it's fine in the db |
| [02:47:21] | ** kormoc thinks he might have broke it when he updated the other day ** | |
| [02:48:00] | sphery: | Hmmm... "Horror"..."DISN" Is Disney starting to come out with horror films? |
| [02:49:13] | clev: | wagnerrp: ive been running boinc on my laptops for months without problems |
| [02:49:34] | clev: | one of those laptops are allready years and years one |
| [02:49:41] | wagnerrp: | id keep them elevated, and not close the lids |
| [02:49:56] | clev: | the hinde on the lcd is torn loose |
| [02:49:58] | wagnerrp: | or... stop running boinc |
| [02:50:03] | clev: | it doesnt close right so i dont close it |
| [02:50:09] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [02:50:13] | clev: | and its sitting on the 'proper' docking bay tray |
| [02:50:26] | kormoc: | Nigel bumped the protocol a few weeks ago and I didn't notice |
| [02:50:28] | clev: | so it has the proper airflow room that dell designed :P |
| [02:50:43] | kormoc: | and I have my "I know what I'm doing so ignore mythproto version mismatches" enabled :P |
| [02:50:50] | clev: | cpu is usualy 77–78 c |
| [02:51:07] | wagnerrp: | dell, so its big and chunky, not overly crammed into a case |
| [02:51:10] | clev: | and for once, you didnt know what you where doing:P |
| [02:51:14] | kormoc: | wait, it was Stuartm actually |
| [02:51:45] | clev: | wagnerrp: the other dell is on a desk, and i close the lid sometimes |
| [02:52:04] | clev: | that closed lid has led to a few overheats, where it simply scaled down to 600mhz and refused to play any 264 content |
| [02:52:19] | sphery: | kormoc: not related to the Myth proto version change from the time zone patch? |
| [02:52:45] | clev: | sphery: shouldnt all systems just run the same timezone?:P |
| [02:52:49] | kormoc: | sphery, if it was 3 weeks ago, then yeah, else nope |
| [02:52:52] | clev: | wasnt that never going to get patches? |
| [02:53:16] | sphery: | clev: the patch prevents mythfrontend or remote backends from starting if their time zones differ from the mbe's |
| [02:53:25] | kormoc: | clev, it's locking it down even more |
| [02:53:26] | clev: | ahhh |
| [02:53:29] | sphery: | kormoc: whew. off the hook, then |
| [02:53:33] | clev: | to force you to do the 'right' thing |
| [02:53:45] | clev: | good:) |
| [02:54:09] | kormoc: | sphery, it's entirely my fault. I need to abstract out the protocol engines for real sometime (meaning the bindings) |
| [02:54:11] | sphery: | yeah, or to make sure it doesn't run and seem like it's working when it won't work |
| [02:54:29] | clev: | sphery: yeah ive had weird errors when the timezones didnt match |
| [02:54:38] | sphery: | kormoc: so, was it the addition of the 47th element to the program info stringlist? |
| [02:54:50] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [02:55:00] | kormoc: | given I'm still running the old backend, it caused things to get way out of sync |
| [02:55:19] | clev: | i'll have to remember this for when i update |
| [02:55:27] | sphery: | clev: yeah, I'm just waiting for someone to say, "But I need my slave to run in Bangladesh time while my master runs in New York time" so I can say, "TZ=" |
| [02:55:27] | clev: | my master is compiled from a seperate checkout |
| [02:55:54] | clev: | sphery: all my mythtv .bashrc files set TZ properly and by force |
| [02:56:13] | clev: | and all but 1 system runs with /etc/localtime set properly |
| [02:56:38] | wagnerrp: | i dare ask...why is it not set up properly? |
| [02:56:40] | clev: | i couldnt run a 2nd mysql with a diff TZ so i just gave it its own box, which later became the master and main capture |
| [02:56:56] | clev: | i need mysql and php to run in a different timezone for crap im hosting |
| [02:57:01] | Dagmar: | clev: .bashrc isnt' the proper place to set TZ unless you are in a different timezone than the server. |
| [02:57:33] | clev: | Dagmar: yeah im not realy setting it in the proper place, but im setting it to a proper value which matches every other system |
| [02:58:15] | sphery: | So, what's with some distros using "America/New York" rather than "America/New_York"? (I think it's just in the TZ env, not for the actual tz/zoneinfo files.) |
| [02:58:21] | Dagmar: | You dont' need to set TZ if you've got /etc/localtime populated properly. |
| [02:58:22] | wagnerrp: | people trust you to host for them? |
| [02:58:42] | Dagmar: | sphery: Far as I know there's no diffeence between the two |
| [02:58:44] | sphery: | Why do they use a space rather than the underscore? |
| [02:58:51] | clev: | Dagmar: for a short while, i had TZ set a bit wrong, without DST stuff, so when DST rolled arround the /etc/localtime systems shifted an hour |
| [02:58:54] | clev: | and everything blew up |
| [02:58:55] | Dagmar: | Because people are afraid of tokens with spaces in them |
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| [02:59:14] | Dagmar: | clev: So in other words, you set the timespec wrong to begin with |
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| [02:59:28] | clev: | but it was working fine half the year:P |
| [02:59:30] | kormoc: | Dagmar, he's asking why they replaced a _ with a space |
| [02:59:43] | clev: | i never noticed that it was wrong until months later |
| [02:59:45] | Dagmar: | kormoc: because people are afraid of tokens with spaces in them |
| [02:59:53] | Dagmar: | glibc doesn't care |
| [02:59:59] | sphery: | hmmm. |
| [03:00:03] | Dagmar: | That string is mainly sugar anyway |
| [03:00:07] | sphery: | I wish there were an official spec for tz |
| [03:00:13] | kormoc: | Dagmar, if they were afraid of spaces, why convert a _ to a space? |
| [03:00:19] | wagnerrp: | technically, it shouldnt matter for anything, considering the file is just going to be symlinked (or copied) to /etc/localtime |
| [03:00:20] | kormoc: | that's adding spaces |
| [03:00:44] | wagnerrp: | because the people who put the '_' in originally were afraid of spaces? |
| [03:01:13] | sphery: | right, but they did so because it refers to a file and some filesystems don't take to spaces too well (right, MS) |
| [03:01:40] | wagnerrp: | but this is unix were talking about |
| [03:01:43] | sphery: | So, I was wondering why the distros put spaces in the identifier, now |
| [03:02:14] | sphery: | zoneinfo is not a Unix thing (though it's used by manu Unix/Unix-like OS's) |
| [03:02:28] | sphery: | There's even a zoneinfo DB for Windows. |
| [03:02:46] | sphery: | and, of course, it's used by PHP and Java and ... |
| [03:02:50] | clev: | my windows system sucks at NTP, it drifts to 2mins off within a few hours |
| [03:02:52] | Dagmar: | Either way, TZ's purpose is mainly sugar. It's (Region)/(Subregion) |
| [03:02:53] | clev: | then stops drifting |
| [03:02:57] | wagnerrp: | well thats something ive never meddled with, besides just using the clock UI in the systray |
| [03:03:04] | Dagmar: | It only needs to be parse a very small number of ways |
| [03:03:27] | wagnerrp: | clev: that sounds like a hardware problem to me |
| [03:03:29] | Dagmar: | clev: Please read some documentation about the way time works on Unix |
| [03:03:39] | wagnerrp: | your clock shouldnt be drifting that fast |
| [03:03:46] | Dagmar: | For it to drift until NTPD gets the hang of how cheap your system clock is is normal. |
| [03:04:04] | clev: | wagnerrp: i know, things are horidly wrong, and its even more weird that it STOPS DRIFTING after its off by ~2mins |
| [03:04:15] | sphery: | Yeah, it's not authoritative, but we need to know it to know (actually, be reasonably certain, as we can't truly know) that the rules for when DST changes are the same on both mbe and remote systems are the same (otherwise parts of Myth won't work) |
| [03:04:33] | clev: | its like the software clock is trying to sync itself back to the hardware clock or something |
| [03:04:47] | clev: | Dagmar: i know how time works for the most part on linux/uniq, but the major problem is on winblows |
| [03:05:09] | Dagmar: | clev: It's because ntpd tracks how badly your system clock is drifting and starts shifting it so that it will drift less |
| [03:05:21] | sphery: | does Windows even allow the hardware clock to be set to UTC, yet? |
| [03:05:24] | clev: | Dagmar: yep, and windows doesnt realy do a ntpd, it just does a ntpupdate |
| [03:05:33] | Dagmar: | sphery: XP doesn't. |
| [03:05:38] | Dagmar: | You dont' even want to TRY going there with XP. |
| [03:05:38] | sphery: | Vista? |
| [03:05:43] | Dagmar: | God only knows |
| [03:05:50] | sphery: | Wow. |
| [03:05:57] | clev: | xp home just syncs on demand(and every day) and before that daily sync, it manages ti easily drift 2mins in no time at all |
| [03:06:04] | Dagmar: | They made some lame-ass claim that keeping the clock in localtime was required for DOS-compatibility for XP |
| [03:06:12] | clev: | lol |
| [03:06:27] | sphery: | I've got a dual-boot system (for the once/6mo PC game with friends) and when I'm in Windows, the clock is 4–5 hrs off. |
| [03:06:34] | Dagmar: | ...and they were ditching DOS-compatibility with Vista, but I don't see them letting go of that so easily since it so badly fucks up every other operating system |
| [03:06:55] | Dagmar: | sphery: If you're using XP you are basically forced to keep the hardware clock in localtime. |
| [03:07:04] | clev: | i usualy tweak the linux config so it uses the same clock mode as the windows |
| [03:07:08] | sphery: | well, it's not like time is really important for anything on a computer |
| [03:07:25] | Dagmar: | Tehre's some hooks left in there that were ported in from NT that *pretend* to let you tell the system it's time is UTC, but it fucks up on a fairly regular basis |
| [03:07:25] | clev: | sphery: it needs to be sync'ed right for nfs and makefiles |
| [03:07:27] | sphery: | I mean, they don't use computers for cryptography or anything |
| [03:07:38] | Dagmar: | I tried for a LONG time to get that stuff to behave |
| [03:08:03] | sphery: | I have mine set to Monaco (IIRC) without adjust for DST |
| [03:08:06] | clev: | sphery: ive ran into make screaming that crap was last edited 5 hours in the future!!! |
| [03:08:30] | sphery: | oh, yeah, time isn't important for compiling--forgot that one |
| [03:08:31] | wagnerrp: | my XP desktop cant seem to manage keeping the 'automatically synchronize with...' feature enabled |
| [03:08:44] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: It gets better. |
| [03:09:00] | wagnerrp: | i mean i havent touched the clock in weeks, months maybe |
| [03:09:05] | wagnerrp: | i open it, that is disabled |
| [03:09:09] | clev: | lol |
| [03:09:20] | Dagmar: | If the sytsem is under heavy load, the scheduler will actually make the rather low-priority time sync process lag enough that Windows will decide the result isn't reliable enough to use. |
| [03:09:22] | wagnerrp: | yet my clock is only 8 seconds fast of my ntp systems |
| [03:09:40] | wagnerrp: | so it has to be doing something |
| [03:09:47] | Dagmar: | I just had a monitoring system fail utterly this week because the clock got set to sometime back in the year 1601. |
| [03:09:54] | clev: | ouch |
| [03:10:13] | Dagmar: | ...and since there was a hemmorhaging IE on the screen, it lagged out Windows enough that windows refused to update the time correctly. |
| [03:10:18] | clev: | there should be safety's:P, if the program was released in 2005, the time cant ever be <2005! |
| [03:10:42] | wagnerrp: | our cluster at work is completely offline, and we have no radio time reference |
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| [03:10:51] | wagnerrp: | no one really seems to care much about time on it anyway |
| [03:11:01] | wagnerrp: | one of our master systems counts backwards |
| [03:11:12] | wagnerrp: | everytime it gets rebooted, it drops back a year |
| [03:11:13] | ** iamlindoro is pretty sure he doesn't own any systems that will accept 1601 as a valid year ** | |
| [03:11:21] | wagnerrp: | last i checked, it was some time in 1994 |
| [03:11:26] | sphery: | clev: if the software prevents time < release date, how would you use it in your time machine? |
| [03:11:31] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: yeah I was pretty astonished |
| [03:11:50] | clev: | sphery: how will the machine even 'know' what 'now' is? |
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| [03:12:04] | clev: | theres no ntp servers back in 100 bc :P |
| [03:12:07] | wagnerrp: | clev: star charts? |
| [03:12:36] | kormoc: | clev, but when I go back to 100 BC, I always reset my watch and laptop's time. Gotta keep them correct |
| [03:12:46] | wagnerrp: | a good telescope and a set of maps makes a good clock |
| [03:13:09] | iamlindoro: | the only possible cause for this is clear. the system shifted back in time overnight. |
| [03:13:15] | clev: | neither of my telescopes has anything to measure the angle between stars and 'down' |
| [03:13:15] | wagnerrp: | that is if you have the supercomputer to be able to process the images and determine what is what |
| [03:13:20] | iamlindoro: | Where it was crowned almighty ruler |
| [03:13:26] | clev: | so your only option is to measure between known stars |
| [03:14:03] | iamlindoro: | All the porn on the system ushered in the Renaissance and nude portait painting |
| [03:14:08] | clev: | i could hookup the b&w camera to the frame grabber:P |
| [03:14:54] | clev: | its basicaly a bare ccd and ntsc encoding board that runs on 9v |
| [03:16:47] | kormoc: | clev, I'd love to see you get all survivor man and go out into the artic for a few weeks with only a letterman and a piece of string |
| [03:16:56] | wagnerrp: | does windows' time synchronization not actually use NTP protocols? |
| [03:17:03] | iamlindoro: | He'd go insane |
| [03:17:12] | iamlindoro: | death by e-mail deprivation after 6 hours |
| [03:17:13] | clev: | wagnerrp: i fed it the ip of my private ntp server and it 'worked' |
| [03:17:28] | wagnerrp: | its failing to sync with my local server |
| [03:17:54] | wagnerrp: | the server is reporting stratum 3, so its available to sync against |
| [03:19:02] | iamlindoro: | I go to the bar sometimes and report myself as a stratum 9" and invite ladies to sync against me |
| [03:19:34] | wagnerrp: | hey baby, whats your stratum? |
| [03:19:47] | clev: | and what about when they hear that you last sync'ed to a stratum 15 server:P |
| [03:20:15] | iamlindoro: | I explain that prison is a lonely place, but that I'm outside now and they can reform me |
| [03:20:34] | iamlindoro: | The love that shit |
| [03:20:36] | iamlindoro: | they |
| [03:20:39] | clev: | you still cant skip from 15 to 9 without breaking the protocol rules:P |
| [03:20:57] | iamlindoro: | Rules were made to be broken baby |
| [03:21:10] | iamlindoro: | your mythbackend proves that |
| [03:21:15] | clev: | lol |
| [03:21:59] | Dagmar: | If you're using a strat 15 server you need to get better internets |
| [03:22:28] | clev: | you can easily chase the refererid's back up the chain to find a better server |
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| [03:22:35] | wagnerrp: | ah hah! i forgot i had set up my domain controller as a time server |
| [03:22:40] | wagnerrp: | thats how its keeping sync'd |
| [03:22:47] | Dagmar: | Or you could just use ntp.org's pool. |
| [03:22:57] | Dagmar: | ...which are all stratum 3 as far as I know. |
| [03:23:16] | wagnerrp: | some of the pool is stratum 2 (which is why my local is a 3) |
| [03:23:20] | Dagmar: | An actual radio clock costs all of $250. |
| [03:23:35] | wagnerrp: | an actual radio clock costs all of $20 |
| [03:23:42] | Dagmar: | We could easily argue to get one at the office, but we just dont' care that much |
| [03:23:51] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I'm talking about a self-contained 1U server with gigE |
| [03:23:54] | wagnerrp: | just grab an old (NMEA compatible) gps unit off ebay |
| [03:23:56] | slack0rman: | hi i have a question before i install mythtv regarding storage groups. if i define hard drive (500g) as storage group can i still use this hd for other data besides mythtv recordings? |
| [03:23:57] | slack0rman: | is 500gb okay for start, how much of HD content can i expect to hold on it |
| [03:24:10] | iamlindoro: | slack0rman, 500GB is a good start, and HD content generally runs between 6–8 GB an hour |
| [03:24:30] | clev: | wagnerrp: i have 3 of them, and wrote my own horid second acurate sync years ago:P |
| [03:24:30] | iamlindoro: | whether 500 is enough for you depends totally on your viewing/file squirreling habits |
| [03:24:56] | wagnerrp: | you can tell mythtv to reserve a defineable amount of space for non-mythtv data |
| [03:25:13] | wagnerrp: | default is 10GB |
| [03:25:18] | clev: | wagnerrp: i set that to 5gig, my system ran down to 1.9gig free today |
| [03:25:30] | kormoc: | it's not instant... |
| [03:25:30] | clev: | and i thought the default was 0 extra |
| [03:25:46] | clev: | kormoc: thats after 40mins |
| [03:25:47] | wagnerrp: | clev: you know, there are routines built into ntpd for polling off a gps unit |
| [03:25:59] | clev: | wagnerrp: i wasnt using ntp back then |
| [03:26:22] | clev: | ntp thru a stratum anything, would be more acurate then the thing i made |
| [03:26:25] | wagnerrp: | you really like doing things the hard way dont you |
| [03:26:34] | slack0rman: | wagnerrp was the reply directed to me? |
| [03:26:51] | wagnerrp: | slack0rman: the one about reserving space, yes |
| [03:27:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, the hard way is the only way that makes clever happy |
| [03:27:33] | kormoc: | slack0rman, in short, 500 gigs is a nice starting amount. Yes you can store other data on there. 500 gigs should give you maybe 50 hd recordings |
| [03:27:45] | clev: | bbl |
| [03:27:46] | wagnerrp: | the hard way, or the highway |
| [03:29:04] | slack0rman: | kormoc i have two of these drives but wanted to start with two until i read about storage groups which is nice feature, because i can start with 1 hd and add another later on, sort of like lvm |
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| [03:29:33] | wagnerrp: | sort of |
| [03:29:59] | slack0rman: | any particular preference of file system for drive with recordings? |
| [03:30:00] | wagnerrp: | but storage groups actually have some semi-intelligent mechanism for load leveling |
| [03:30:12] | wagnerrp: | usually anything but ext2/3 |
| [03:30:32] | wagnerrp: | they delete files very slowly, and very i/o intensively |
| [03:30:54] | kormoc: | slack0rman, I personally like ext3, there's a 'slow delete' option that reduces the IO hit |
| [03:31:03] | kormoc: | I trust the filesystem quite a bit |
| [03:31:12] | wagnerrp: | it has the ability to hose up playback and recording of other files such that there was the option kormoc mentioned to compensate for it |
| [03:31:14] | kormoc: | but if it's purely recordings, I use jfs, cause I don't care if I lose them |
| [03:31:16] | slack0rman: | im thinking xfs i use it on my fileserver |
| [03:31:42] | wagnerrp: | xfs is not happy with power losses, or other random reboots |
| [03:32:03] | kormoc: | slack0rman, in short, use what you like, but know all file systems suck :P |
| [03:32:20] | slack0rman: | kormoc heh :) |
| [03:32:27] | wagnerrp: | ZFS us the shit! |
| [03:32:41] | ** wagnerrp goes off to read more Sun propaganda ** | |
| [03:32:43] | slack0rman: | wagnerrp but its not fully supported in linux isnt |
| [03:32:51] | slack0rman: | and dont wanna play with solaris |
| [03:33:22] | kormoc: | he wasn't being serious |
| [03:33:28] | slack0rman: | and with xfs i had few random powerdowns on file server and everytime it recovered just fine |
| [03:33:30] | wagnerrp: | my backend/fileserver is freebsd, full ZFS support got added in the latest revision |
| [03:33:36] | wagnerrp: | im liking it so far |
| [03:33:37] | slack0rman: | knock on the wood thou |
| [03:33:47] | wagnerrp: | but everything has its problems |
| [03:34:00] | kormoc: | slack0rman, xfs tends to not like powerdowns during writes, and PVR's tend to write a lot more then other applications |
| [03:34:14] | slack0rman: | i c the point |
| [03:34:18] | wagnerrp: | ZFS tends to cause kernel panics on 32-bit systems, and systems with less than 2GB of memory |
| [03:34:41] | kormoc: | xfs had that huge memory requirement for the fsck |
| [03:34:45] | iamlindoro: | Ooooof @ "That one" |
| [03:34:46] | kormoc: | I forget if it's fixed yet or not |
| [03:34:56] | iamlindoro: | watch the debate, you'll see what I mean |
| [03:35:49] | iamlindoro: | other classy moves include McCain telling a young african american audience member that he's probably never heard of Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac |
| [03:35:50] | slack0rman: | im gonna use the system as backend/frontend hope it wont put too much stress on the desktop |
| [03:37:36] | slack0rman: | is that like new menu item @ McDonals? |
| [03:37:51] | wagnerrp: | if youre using all mpg stuff, it shouldnt be a problem |
| [03:38:19] | wagnerrp: | they dont take much CPU to record, and you have to hammer the disk long and hard before you run out of memory cache |
| [03:38:32] | slack0rman: | itll be mostly HD |
| [03:39:05] | wagnerrp: | hd takes next to no power (to record) |
| [03:39:29] | slack0rman: | playback? |
| [03:39:40] | wagnerrp: | playback takes considerable power |
| [03:40:05] | wagnerrp: | but its not like you risk losing data, or trashing the recording, if mythfrontend doesnt have sufficient power available |
| [03:40:18] | slack0rman: | sempron 3400+? |
| [03:40:27] | slack0rman: | yeah but id like to avoid slideshows |
| [03:40:55] | wagnerrp: | that should be plenty to handle HD mpeg2, assuming youre not doing other stuff at the same time on another screen |
| [03:43:46] | slack0rman: | nope, that sounds great |
| [03:44:55] | slack0rman: | i got two tuners, can i hook one up to set top box and other to just coax cable (will it pick up HD chans?) |
| [03:45:08] | wagnerrp: | ive got a A64 3200+ which i assume isnt that much more powerful, that handles full bitrate 1080i just fine |
| [03:45:37] | wagnerrp: | QAM tuners will pick up whatever the cable company gives you unencrypted |
| [03:45:49] | wagnerrp: | usually, thats only the stations you already get over the air |
| [03:45:54] | wagnerrp: | but... at least you dont need an antenna |
| [03:46:16] | wagnerrp: | instead, you may have to deal with them re-ordering the stations |
| [03:47:15] | slack0rman: | i see |
| [03:48:39] | slack0rman: | lastly i will get a remote with the tuner can i operate mythtv with it? if connected to settop box do i need to do any tricks to get the remote to work |
| [03:49:05] | slack0rman: | if tuner is* |
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| [04:01:28] | CRXLPY: | I have had a mythtv box up and running fine for a while. I decided to install a frontend on another system and use it to make DVDs since it has much more horsepower than the dvr. I have it up and connected, copy remote files is set, I can view recordings and I can add them to the files to make a dvd from. but it just sits there when I try to get it started. there is no network traffic so it isnt waiting on a copy to finish |
| [04:07:11] | sphery: | If you're talking about MythArchive, it was designed to work on combined frontend/backend systems (i.e. where files are local). |
| [04:07:44] | sphery: | CRXLPY: ^^^ + I've heard of people making it work with NFS-mounted storage on the frontend system, but I don't use it, so I can't tell you how. |
| [04:08:45] | CRXLPY: | ok I have the files shared and mounted on the fronted |
| [04:08:57] | CRXLPY: | that is probly it then |
| [04:09:51] | CRXLPY: | I have issues I havent ironed out there, it is shared and mounted rw, but I cant create files, it shows as a ro fs |
| [04:10:54] | sphery: | you'll definitely need to get that fixed |
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| [04:11:21] | CRXLPY: | yup, |
| [04:11:30] | sphery: | also make sure that the uid's are the same on the frontend and the system with the storage |
| [04:11:45] | CRXLPY: | that is where this trouble started |
| [04:11:48] | sphery: | as NFS uses uid/gid, not username/group name to apply permissions |
| [04:13:09] | CRXLPY: | the systems have been running for a while, so I cant swap uid's around on either w/o making a big foo bar |
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| [04:30:31] | Dagmar: | `man find`. |
| [04:30:38] | Dagmar: | Changing a uid/gid is easier than you'd think |
| [04:31:06] | CRXLPY: | changing it is easy |
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| [04:31:35] | wagnerrp: | except that programs do not like long lists given by find |
| [04:31:52] | wagnerrp: | you would probably have to do it a couple dozen times to cover the file system |
| [04:31:54] | Dagmar: | Only chimps parse find output with a for loop. |
| [04:31:56] | CRXLPY: | changing it without screwing app trees up is another ballgame |
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| [04:32:23] | Dagmar: | `find / -uid 21 -exec chown 22 {} \;` |
| [04:32:41] | CRXLPY: | mmmkay |
| [04:32:45] | wagnerrp: | never looked enough into find to figure that one out |
| [04:32:45] | Dagmar: | It's trivial, _if_ you're familiar with how to use find. |
| [04:32:50] | Dagmar: | ...hence, `man find`. |
| [04:33:01] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [04:33:12] | wagnerrp: | all ive used it for was mass updating of file system times |
| [04:33:13] | CRXLPY: | well, gotta learn regexp too it would seem |
| [04:33:17] | wagnerrp: | touch `find .` |
| [04:33:24] | wagnerrp: | which doesnt work on large directories |
| [04:33:34] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I've got another thing that's going into the DLG build engine for post-installation hooks to deal with the special cases where a package has both files not owned by root, and a role uid/gid creation needed. |
| [04:33:45] | Dagmar: | `find . -exec touch {} \;` works fine |
| [04:34:26] | Dagmar: | ...because sometimes, someone's put the uid the package was *meant* to be to use for something else, so I had to code some logic in to make the package be able to sidestep it |
| [04:34:59] | Dagmar: | ...so the thing's got to keep a list of all the files that would need to be re-chowned and so on, in addition to being able to pick a reasonably free uid on the system |
| [04:35:06] | wagnerrp: | on the cluster, with the wonked clocks, i often end up untarring something and have the contents newer than the system |
| [04:35:09] | Dagmar: | I had to get REAL familiar with find for that |
| [04:35:13] | wagnerrp: | most configure scripts dont like that |
| [04:35:32] | wagnerrp: | and theres the occasional source package that is too large for touch |
| [04:35:43] | CRXLPY: | well I am gonna shelve the separate frontend project for now. I am gonna just focus on getting mytharchive to work the way I want on the dvr |
| [04:35:47] | Dagmar: | Yeah, again, find to the rescue |
| [04:36:08] | Dagmar: | Just because some packages have INSANE mtimes on the files, the build engine goes and touches every file it just untarred to eliminate that |
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| [04:36:42] | Dagmar: | There's a few pakcages I've encountered where things were so brutalized that you would actually wind up with autoconf doing some stuff the moment you tried configure |
| [04:36:56] | Dagmar: | The authors had basically diddled the mtimes to get around it |
| [04:37:03] | Dagmar: | Weaksauce. |
| [04:37:16] | hachi: | anyone get `Floating point exception` from mythfrontend? I'm seeing people who also have this problem on google... but no answers as yet |
| [04:37:40] | wagnerrp: | sounds like something you would get from a hardware error |
| [04:38:29] | hachi: | doesn't cause a kernel panic |
| [04:38:41] | hachi: | looks like a software glitch to me |
| [04:39:01] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine the kernel doesnt use fp math much |
| [04:39:02] | hachi: | but I didn't write this, so I'm not so hot on debugging it |
| [04:39:24] | hachi: | yes, but the kernel tends to trap things when there is an actual hardware problem |
| [04:40:16] | Anduin: | hachi: is this just during startup or are you doing something? |
| [04:40:21] | Dagmar: | "Floating point exception" generally means "divide by zero error" |
| [04:40:25] | hachi: | during startup |
| [04:40:35] | Dagmar: | It could be software, but it's rather usually hardware. |
| [04:40:51] | Dagmar: | Specifically RAM or the CPU. |
| [04:41:53] | hachi: | so all these other people who never got answers, they're having hardware issues too? |
| [04:42:17] | Dagmar: | If you want to troubleshoot their problems too, feel free. |
| [04:42:41] | hachi: | I have found no way to troubleshoot this problem thus far though |
| [04:42:52] | Dagmar: | Obviously it doesn't happen to us. |
| [04:43:09] | hachi: | yes, but do you know a way to troubleshoot it? |
| [04:43:40] | Dagmar: | strace |
| [04:54:22] | Anduin: | gdb as well (then you could actually see where it was) |
| [04:54:45] | hachi: | 0xb7058347 in MythThemedMenuPrivate::layoutButtons () from /usr/lib/libmythui-0.21.so.0 |
| [04:57:29] | Anduin: | hachi: hmm, certainly possible, though it should mean a some bad theme file |
| [04:58:12] | sphery: | hachi: have you tried: mythfrontend -O Theme=blue |
| [04:58:40] | sphery: | (and, try some other themes, too, like Theme=G.A.N.T or Theme=Titivillus or ...) |
| [05:01:45] | hachi: | wow, cpu time just taking forever |
| [05:04:15] | hachi: | startup is fine... thanks for the theme idea |
| [05:05:09] | sphery: | you mean it's fine with a different theme? |
| [05:05:14] | hachi: | yeah |
| [05:05:32] | sphery: | If so, the theme you have specified in settings is corrupt and needs to be changed to a working theme |
| [05:05:47] | sphery: | go through mythfrontend settings to Appearance and change the theme |
| [05:06:08] | hachi: | it's just the default theme, whatever that is... still... I'll come back to that later, after I figure out my network glitch |
| [05:06:40] | sphery: | and, if you can figure out what's wrong with the specified theme, it may make it easier to get a fix in to prevent the segfault/give better error message/handle a broken theme |
| [05:06:55] | sphery: | G.A.N.T is the default, so you may have corruption in it |
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| [05:18:51] | hachi: | I'm ending up with urls for remote files like: myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1047_20081002230000.mpg |
| [05:19:23] | hachi: | but I don't see localhost or 127.0.0.1 in my config :\ |
| [05:19:40] | hachi: | I'm still looking for the answer, but if you know it I'd love to hear it :D |
| [05:20:05] | hachi: | the backend is a seperate machine, so I dunno how this is happening |
| [05:20:43] | sphery: | in mythtv-setup, "IP address" for both backend server address and master server address |
| [05:20:56] | sphery: | use mythtv-setup on both hosts |
| [05:21:08] | sphery: | on the master backend, both IP addresses should be the same |
| [05:21:18] | hachi: | oh, I thought the mythtv-setup was only on the backend :\ |
| [05:21:42] | hachi: | in fact, it's not even installed |
| [05:21:54] | sphery: | on the other machine, master should be the same as the value on the master backend and backend server address should be some non-localhost value |
| [05:22:33] | sphery: | then, shut down mythfrontend, then rm ~/.mythtv/{mysql.txt,config.xml} |
| [05:22:37] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup should be available on any mythtv installation, unless you use some fubar'd packager which re-added the frontendonly/backendonly distributions |
| [05:22:38] | sphery: | then restart mythfrontend |
| [05:22:42] | sphery: | it should skd for parameters |
| [05:22:48] | sphery: | s/skd/ask/ |
| [05:23:06] | sphery: | (unless you have other mysql.txt files which cause it to not ask) |
| [05:23:21] | sphery: | easiest approach, though, is to run mythtv-setup |
| [05:24:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I agree. Packagers' splitting apart Myth installations to save a few megabytes of HDD space on a machine that routinely processes multi-gigabyte files is more trouble then benefit. |
| [05:24:09] | hachi: | debian-multimedia doesn't include mythtv-setup in the frontend package... and mythfrontend never asks me for settings. It seems to be auto-detecting, does it try to use UPnP for this? |
| [05:24:40] | sphery: | yeah, it will |
| [05:24:51] | wagnerrp: | the only time i could see it being useful is when you have a CF based frontend |
| [05:24:53] | sphery: | but, I think you need to fix the settings on your master backend, too |
| [05:24:56] | hachi: | oh yeah, there's the logline |
| [05:24:57] | hachi: | 2008-10–07 22:23:43.105 UPnPautoconf() – Found one UPnP backend |
| [05:25:00] | wagnerrp: | at which point you should have the know-how to set it up yourself |
| [05:25:09] | hachi: | my master backend has the correct IP addresses on it |
| [05:25:27] | hachi: | I checked that before you even suggested it... cause I thought that's what I had done wrong |
| [05:25:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and, for that, there should be a customized-as-a-CF-based-frontend package or even ready-made distro (i.e. why break it apart for "normal" systems) |
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| [05:26:26] | sphery: | hachi: when you remove those files does it get a popup that shows one backend detected by UPnP for you to choose |
| [05:26:31] | hachi: | nope |
| [05:26:39] | hachi: | never shows a list, just picks it |
| [05:26:47] | sphery: | then you have other mysql.txt files that are telling Myth to not try to find the backend |
| [05:26:58] | sphery: | those mysql.txt files are configured for a local backend |
| [05:27:04] | sphery: | locate mysql.txt |
| [05:27:15] | sphery: | or, if you don't have locate, find / -name 'mysql.txt' |
| [05:27:28] | hachi: | I already deleted all of them, I'm trying it again |
| [05:27:35] | hachi: | there was one in /etc/mythtv/ as well |
| [05:27:55] | sphery: | IMHO, there should be exactly 1 mysql.txt file on the system (and it should be in the ${INSTALL_PREFIX}/share/mythtv/ directory) |
| [05:28:13] | sphery: | Especially since mysql.txt is deprecated and really shouldn't be used, anymore |
| [05:28:37] | hachi: | typically speaking, you are supposed to be able to watch live TV on a frontend machine that doesn't have a backend running on the same hardware, yes? |
| [05:28:46] | hachi: | this seems like an inherent piece of the design, I just want to confirm |
| [05:28:46] | sphery: | yep |
| [05:28:55] | hachi: | thanks |
| [05:29:19] | sphery: | I have a frontend that doesn't run the backend and have 2 backends that don't run frontends (or X) |
| [05:29:59] | hachi: | I currently have two backends (master which does all the commercial tagging, and a slave that has the card in it) |
| [05:30:07] | hachi: | and one frontend, and trying to bring up a second frontend |
| [05:30:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv was designed from an early stage to be networkable |
| [05:30:18] | sphery: | you don't have a capture card in the master? |
| [05:30:22] | sphery: | really, you should |
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| [05:30:57] | wagnerrp: | i dont have a card in my master, its worked just fine for months now |
| [05:31:03] | sphery: | If you want one computer to do all commflagging and one to record, you should make the recording host the master backend, then run mythjobqueue (rather than mythbackend) on the flagging system |
| [05:31:06] | hachi: | been using it this way for 1.5 year |
| [05:31:28] | wagnerrp: | i remember seeing some thing years ago saying that was not workable |
| [05:31:29] | hachi: | yeah, problem was that then I would be running mysql on the non-master machine |
| [05:31:33] | sphery: | well, if it breaks, don't complain (as the definition of a MythTV backend is a system with capture cards) |
| [05:31:38] | wagnerrp: | but that does not seem to be the case anymore |
| [05:31:40] | hachi: | I figured it was a better design to keep the master and mysql on the same node |
| [05:31:51] | wagnerrp: | hachi: it makes no difference |
| [05:32:03] | wagnerrp: | since each machine accesses the sql server directly |
| [05:32:08] | sphery: | MySQL can run on any host on the network (doesn't even need to have any part of Myth installed on that host) |
| [05:32:28] | sphery: | IMHO, running mythbackend on a host without capture cards is a total waste. |
| [05:32:30] | wagnerrp: | for two years, i had mythbackend running with a remote sql server |
| [05:32:34] | hachi: | how do you figure out what machine name a node believes itself to be? just the hostname of the box, or can you confirm from within mythfrontend somehow? |
| [05:32:54] | sphery: | mythjobqueue is significantly smaller and is what's left of mythbackend when you take out the capture portion |
| [05:32:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: my master backend is my file/web/domain/everything server, its always on |
| [05:33:09] | wagnerrp: | but it runs freebsd, and theres no tuner card drivers |
| [05:33:23] | wagnerrp: | whereas my mythtv box can turn on and off |
| [05:34:01] | wagnerrp: | this way, i can still make scheduling changes, access mythweb/music, and do other tasks while the backend is off/standby |
| [05:34:20] | wagnerrp: | im sure its a very rare case, but there is a use |
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| [05:35:23] | wagnerrp: | if it were possible, i would move my tuners to the master backend in a flash |
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| [05:36:12] | sphery: | pmap -d `pidof mythjobqueue`: mapped: 144324K writeable/private: 35008K shared: 0K /// mapped: 268348K writeable/private: 220792K shared: 0K |
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| [05:36:23] | hachi: | Is the connection timeout set to 50ms or something? |
| [05:36:35] | sphery: | so, mythjobqueue is 35MB RAM and mythbackend is 221MB RAM |
| [05:36:38] | hachi: | I get connection timeouts only 50ms after the connection attempt |
| [05:37:06] | sphery: | there's a quick timeout (that says "quick" in the log message) that's a special case. |
| [05:37:13] | sphery: | don't know what it means, though |
| [05:37:27] | hachi: | 2008-10–07 22:36:08.894 Connecting to backend server: 10.8.0.200:6543 (try 1 of 5) |
| [05:37:39] | hachi: | 2008-10–07 22:36:08.948 RemoteEncoder::openControlSocket(): Connection timed out. |
| [05:37:59] | sphery: | do you have a firewall running on your master backend system? |
| [05:38:19] | hachi: | negative, both boxes have no iptables modules even loaded |
| [05:38:21] | sphery: | if so, you need to open some ports (6543–6546 or so, and possibly others) |
| [05:38:37] | hachi: | and it's just a switched network between the two points |
| [05:39:04] | wagnerrp: | 6 is telnet for the frontend, nothing to do with the backend |
| [05:39:26] | hachi: | I see 43 and 44 listening |
| [05:39:34] | hachi: | no 6 on my scope |
| [05:39:45] | sphery: | yeah, but easier to just say to open the Myth ones... I admit to being lazy |
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| [05:40:02] | hachi: | heh, fair |
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| [05:40:11] | hachi: | could be called 'pragmatic' |
| [05:40:26] | sphery: | has much to do with it being 1:40am here |
| [05:41:33] | lcdn00b: | I guess any new low end 1080p capable cards will be ok, right? |
| [05:42:02] | sphery: | lcdn00b: you mean video cards this time? |
| [05:42:05] | wagnerrp: | the best you can hope for is Xv support |
| [05:42:10] | wagnerrp: | if you get that, youre golden |
| [05:42:12] | hachi: | yeah, debian-multimedia builds mythtv-setup into the mythtv-backend package |
| [05:42:31] | lcdn00b: | there are even mobos with integradet video card |
| [05:42:40] | lcdn00b: | sphery: yes video card |
| [05:42:46] | wagnerrp: | just about any nvidia you can still get your hands on would be ok, as would onboard intel |
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| [05:42:58] | wagnerrp: | amd... is flakey |
| [05:43:22] | wagnerrp: | but theyre promising to get better support, and h.264 decode acceleration in linux *soon* |
| [05:43:47] | hachi: | here's hoping |
| [05:44:05] | lcdn00b: | oh really? I thought the integrated amd/ati video cards are 1080p. let me correct that THEY ARE |
| [05:44:17] | sphery: | I used an NVIDIA GF4MX440 for 1080p output without issue. Only disadvantage is that it couldn't do the heavy OpenGL stuff (MythGallery transitions--but the OpenGL menus were fine) and couldn't do Goom or ProjectM visualizers |
| [05:44:39] | wagnerrp: | and no DVI/HDMI support either |
| [05:44:50] | sphery: | And, since you probably can't buy a graphics card from that generation (new, at least), you should be fine with anything you get from NVIDIA or ATI. |
| [05:45:18] | sphery: | I've also heard some of the Intel stuff works well, but I don't know it, so you're on your own with it. |
| [05:45:19] | wagnerrp: | the low end nvidia 5-series wont do 1920x1080 digital |
| [05:45:34] | wagnerrp: | anything 6 or better should be fine though |
| [05:45:54] | wagnerrp: | and theres no purpose to getting a mid/high end 5 |
| [05:46:08] | sphery: | and if you get NVIDIA, might want to stay away from the 8 series (as they fail prematurely) |
| [05:46:32] | wagnerrp: | thats the claim, although ive not seen any numbers to back it up |
| [05:46:33] | sphery: | I agree. Xv picture controls are highly overrated |
| [05:46:42] | sphery: | Usually people only think they need them. |
| [05:47:32] | lcdn00b: | arg!! I do have an 0 series |
| [05:47:47] | sphery: | 0 series? |
| [05:48:01] | wagnerrp: | 0260, 0280 |
| [05:48:31] | lcdn00b: | I mean 8 |
| [05:48:31] | sphery: | what manufacturer? |
| [05:48:38] | sphery: | Oh, 8 makes sense |
| [05:49:57] | wagnerrp: | first it was 8-series mobile |
| [05:50:00] | sphery: | Well, the 8's (perhaps not all, but a bunch of the 8 designs) will likely fail prematurely. You can speed the process by putting it through more heat/cool cycles (i.e. shut down your system a lot, drive the graphics hard when up). Then, you can get a warranty replacement. :) |
| [05:50:06] | wagnerrp: | then it included the 8400 and 8500 |
| [05:50:11] | sphery: | 8 series mobile is very likely to fail |
| [05:50:13] | wagnerrp: | then it was all 8s |
| [05:50:44] | wagnerrp: | of course the 9-series are all just G92s like the 8800GT(S) |
| [05:50:48] | sphery: | though Dell and HP released BIOS "fixes" that simply underclock the GPU enough to make it likely to fail after the 1-year warranty. |
| [05:50:50] | wagnerrp: | so theyre probably lumped in too |
| [05:51:22] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i was under the impression that the fixes changed the fan trigger speeds |
| [05:51:29] | sphery: | yeah, I didn't pay attention to which ones are confirmed to have the problems |
| [05:51:31] | wagnerrp: | trigger at lower temp, run faster |
| [05:51:41] | sphery: | that was also part of it |
| [05:51:56] | sphery: | and I think they lowered voltage and underclocked |
| [05:52:21] | wagnerrp: | thats a lawsuit right there |
| [05:52:53] | wagnerrp: | release a mandatory patch that gives me less performance than i bought |
| [05:52:59] | sphery: | Well, rumor has it that NVIDIA is paying Dell/HP $250/defective $20 GPU part as incentive for them to keep it under wraps |
| [05:53:18] | sphery: | (basically NVIDIA is paying the cost for the warranty repairs for Dell/HP) |
| [05:54:03] | sphery: | We sell the GPU for $20 and pay the customer $250 to fix it, but we make up for it in volume... |
| [05:54:24] | lcdn00b: | I can't wait until NVIDIA surrenders their drivers to GPL |
| [05:54:37] | sphery: | I want to live in that world, too. |
| [05:54:55] | lcdn00b: | it will, trust me |
| [05:55:23] | wagnerrp: | i doubt they would ever 'surrender to the GPL' |
| [05:55:27] | ** sphery hopes you have some reliable insider info ** | |
| [05:55:44] | hachi: | http://nopaste.snit.ch/14251 |
| [05:55:44] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a more business friendly OSS license |
| [05:55:54] | hachi: | is there a way to get more debug? I suppose I could strace... duh |
| [05:55:56] | hachi: | yeah, I'll strace |
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| [05:56:35] | sphery: | hachi: mythfrontend -v all |
| [05:56:55] | sphery: | or possibly mythfrontend -v important,general,network |
| [05:57:17] | hachi: | YOW |
| [05:58:08] | hachi: | 2008-10–07 22:57:55.426 write -> 23 29 GET_NEXT_FREE_RECORDER[]:[]-1 |
| [05:58:08] | hachi: | 2008-10–07 22:57:55.427 read <- 23 24 1[]:[]127.0.0.1[]:[]6543 |
| [05:58:27] | hachi: | my master backend keeps insisting on telling me that the recorder is at localhost :\ |
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| [06:04:40] | Anduin: | hachi: cards are associated with machines which are associated with IPs in the settings table, also card config changes are one of those things you should restart the backend for |
| [06:04:48] | hachi: | bloody hell, I know why this is, gah |
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| [06:35:08] | RyeBrye: | can you map modifier keys in a lircrc? |
| [06:35:16] | RyeBrye: | i.e. alt + F4 for a button press? |
| [06:36:00] | RyeBrye: | ah... yep |
| [06:36:00] | RyeBrye: | cool |
| [06:36:24] | wagnerrp: | glad i could help |
| [06:37:04] | RyeBrye: | :) |
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| [07:38:07] | RyeBrye: | Interesting. for HD playback, the xv-blit hands down beats openGL on my system |
| [07:38:46] | RyeBrye: | I can do 2x timestretch with no stuttering at all on MPEG2 stuff at 1080i being deinterlaced... etc. – but with openGL doing the rendering I'm lucky to get it to go up to 1.3 before it goes nuts |
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| [07:50:36] | hachi: | hmmm, what does mythfrontend spend its cpu time doing during playback? |
| [07:50:59] | kormoc: | typically decoding of the video so it can play it back and display it |
| [07:51:45] | hachi: | hurrr, apparently I don't have enough cpu time to do mpeg2 playback |
| [07:51:50] | hachi: | or maybe my bitrate is too high |
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| [08:04:05] | hachi: | wait, xvmc should be pushing it through the via chip :\ |
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| [09:16:10] | justinh: | playback problems on epia hardware eh? no wonder :) You really have to know what you're doing there |
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| [09:27:56] | gbee: | well so far no-one has responded to the theme announcement, I assume that means that everyone is happy and that we won't be getting bug reports complaing "trunk broke Mepo-wide!" |
| [09:28:06] | laga_: | must..resist... |
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| [09:31:51] | laga_: | why do the commit mails have different subjects all the time? |
| [09:32:16] | laga_: | "mythtv commit: rxxxx by stuartm", "mythtv commit: rxxxxxx in trunk by stuartm" |
| [09:34:11] | clev: | i should review my recordings for more duplicates |
| [09:34:17] | clev: | im down to no space at all |
| [09:34:43] | laga_: | gbee: btw, where's mythui documentation? in trac or in the mediawiki? |
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| [09:35:19] | gbee: | laga_: currently split between both, should end up in the main wiki |
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| [09:36:56] | gbee: | laga_: I've no idea why the commit email path changes |
| [09:38:05] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/MythUIThemeFormat (a little out of date, especially for buttonlist and it's missing some widgets) |
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| [09:38:32] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythUI_Widgets |
| [09:38:37] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythUI |
| [09:38:56] | laga_: | yeah, looking at that now |
| [09:39:15] | gbee: | this isn't a complete and up to date source yet |
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| [09:39:47] | laga_: | how is the mapping from code to XML done? let's say i define a button in the XML, how does it make the code do things? |
| [09:40:56] | gbee: | well widgets are self-contained mostly, the display side of things we parse the XML, set various widget attributes |
| [09:42:14] | gbee: | meanwhile in the code for the screen in which the widget appears we obtain a pointer to the widget object created by parsing the XML and pass data to it or minimally interact with it |
| [09:42:41] | justinh: | I think I remember reading something on mepo's website about development for 0.21 being discontinued when mythui hits the ground |
| [09:42:57] | gbee: | e.g. MythUIText *text = dynamic_cast<MythUIText*>(GetChild("somewidgetname")); |
| [09:43:07] | laga_: | ah, neat |
| [09:43:08] | gbee: | text->SetText("Display this text"); |
| [09:43:27] | gbee: | text->SetVisible(false); // Hides text |
| [09:44:28] | clev: | <buttondef name="TV_WATCH_RECORDINGS"> |
| [09:44:58] | gbee: | laga_: easier to explain if I write a small demo app |
| [09:45:13] | clev: | theres allready a theme demo app |
| [09:45:27] | laga_: | !stab clev |
| [09:45:29] | clev: | programs/mythuitest/ |
| [09:45:33] | laga_: | gbee: no, i got it now i think |
| [09:45:39] | laga_: | gbee: not that hard |
| [09:45:52] | gbee: | clev: no, that doesn't exist anymore and it didn't demo themes, just some of the widgets |
| [09:45:59] | clev: | i also see a ./themes/button_types.txt which should be usefull |
| [09:46:30] | clev: | gbee: ah, so it had its own layout? |
| [09:46:48] | gbee: | clev: hardcoded positions and styling yeah |
| [09:46:52] | clev: | ahhh |
| [09:47:02] | justinh: | I never saw mythuitest work properly :( |
| [09:47:14] | clev: | it worked fine and for some reason still exists:P |
| [09:47:25] | clev: | svn: 'programs/mythuitest' is not under version control |
| [09:47:35] | justinh: | all the redrawing didn't clear what was underneath |
| [09:47:37] | gbee: | it was just meant to demo some of the _early_ mythui capabilities, it wasn't really meant as an example for people to follow |
| [09:47:38] | clev: | normaly these things implode when that happens:P |
| [09:48:00] | laga_: | hum |
| [09:48:08] | laga_: | plugin API looks simple enough |
| [09:48:12] | gbee: | it broke pretty quickly once mythui started evolving |
| [09:48:14] | laga_: | why don't we have more plugins? |
| [09:48:23] | gbee: | laga_: it's very simple IMHO |
| [09:48:59] | gbee: | laga_: I think it's mostly because people look at the most complex plugins and try to use them as examples instead of looking for the simplest ones |
| [09:49:13] | clev: | ahhh i see why it didnt fully implode, it just left a bunch of .o files arround |
| [09:49:43] | gbee: | honestly plugins like mythmusic and mythvideo will give you nosebleeds if you're a newbie plugin developer |
| [09:49:49] | justinh: | laga_: hell if I can do a simple plugin, anybody can |
| [09:49:56] | laga_: | justinh: true (SCNR) |
| [09:50:07] | laga_: | gbee: any ETA on mytharchive conversion to mythui? |
| [09:50:11] | clev: | justinh: doesnt that screen setup wizard segfault not? :P |
| [09:50:17] | justinh: | mythmusic & mythvideo are useful though, for gleaning concepts |
| [09:50:22] | laga_: | i kinda wanna do something with mythui, but i'm not sure if it's, um, good enough for me |
| [09:50:33] | justinh: | clev: not here it doesn't, but it's not what I wrote anymore |
| [09:50:42] | gbee: | laga_: I'm leaving it for Paul, but he tells me that he's stated on MythZM, so MythArchive probably won't be far behind |
| [09:50:50] | clev: | justinh: not here either:S, who fixed it:P |
| [09:50:55] | laga_: | ok |
| [09:51:05] | justinh: | clev: I dunno. I saw the ticket & ran away |
| [09:51:10] | clev: | lol |
| [09:51:15] | laga_: | (where "good enough" means easy enough for an idiot to use ;)) |
| [09:51:32] | justinh: | laga_: stick around I'm gonna make a general purpose info displaying plugin |
| [09:52:11] | justinh: | it'll be like what people do with their theme mangling scripts but doing it properly |
| [09:52:44] | justinh: | possible uses for it abound... you could plug lmsensors into it, for example :) |
| [09:54:01] | laga_: | heh |
| [09:54:14] | laga_: | i wonder if i should make my channel management thingy as an plugin initially |
| [09:54:22] | laga_: | should be easier for playing around |
| [09:54:40] | gbee: | oops, guess I should test the themedmenu changes under QT, I keep forgetting to do that and there are always QT bugs :( |
| [09:55:15] | justinh: | well, I mean how long have people been waiting for a sysinfo plugin? |
| [09:55:51] | laga_: | justinh: it could replace the system status screen |
| [09:56:56] | justinh: | maybe. I still intend to take the expiry list out from there & either into a 'manage recordings' screen or somewhere else in a similar form to the 'upcoming recordings' screen |
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| [09:58:27] | ** justinh wonders wtf has happened to geany ** | |
| [09:58:57] | gbee: | justinh: mythcenter clock has a wart |
| [09:59:00] | clev: | justinh: i use the expire list often so i can watch things that are about to expire |
| [09:59:17] | clev: | but it would be alot more handy if i could just sort the recording list in the expire order |
| [09:59:37] | gbee: | isn't that what the watch list does? |
| [09:59:56] | justinh: | aye |
| [09:59:57] | clev: | the watch list doesnt tell me which of those shows will expire first |
| [10:00:08] | clev: | and it shows some duplicates and sometimes misses episodes |
| [10:01:04] | gbee: | I couldn't use myth like that, it would defeat the whole point of my choosing what _I_ want to watch |
| [10:01:29] | clev: | i still choose what i watch, usualy within the 1st 10–20 in the expire listr |
| [10:01:40] | gbee: | "I really want to watch X, but Y is about to expire so I guess I should watch that instead" |
| [10:01:55] | clev: | if that comes up, set Y to not expire ever! |
| [10:02:01] | clev: | then watch x |
| [10:02:33] | justinh: | well, whatever. it'd be nice to see the list of shows set to expire in the same format as 'upcoming recordings' IMHO |
| [10:02:44] | gbee: | I just give things priorities so that the stuff I don't mind missing expires before the stuff I really want to see |
| [10:03:03] | clev: | gbee: i try to do that, but the storage groups screw it up |
| [10:03:05] | gbee: | I can't remember the last time something expired and I was bothered by it |
| [10:03:22] | clev: | if may start recording to the 'wrong' directory and force itself to expire things way out of order |
| [10:03:30] | justinh: | part of my evil plan to give as many things a consistent look/feel as I can :) |
| [10:03:36] | clev: | ive seen it expire stuff that it recorded today, over stuff from a week ago |
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| [10:04:09] | gbee: | generally if it expires it was an episode of Dispatches or something which was just telling us what we already know |
| [10:04:42] | justinh: | maybe there's no geany for dapper. hrm |
| [10:04:58] | gbee: | dapper's pretty old now? |
| [10:05:17] | justinh: | it is, but there it is on my backend box, happy as Larry |
| [10:06:10] | gbee: | Larry the next release? |
| [10:06:16] | gbee: | :p |
| [10:06:54] | justinh: | sod it I'll build it meself |
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| [10:08:25] | justinh: | gbee: btw what do you mean 'has a wart' ? |
| [10:09:47] | gbee: | random black square on the clock face, like an accidental mouse click with a square brush |
| [10:10:25] | justinh: | damnit |
| [10:10:44] | gbee: | I mis-remembered, it's a circular mark |
| [10:11:28] | justinh: | I was just about to say it's intentional – or part of the original. maybe the next rev will have it removed |
| [10:11:43] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/clock.png |
| [10:12:16] | justinh: | it's in the original svg |
| [10:12:22] | gbee: | ahh, ok |
| [10:12:24] | AndyCap: | but does it have a sweep second hand? :P |
| [10:12:28] | justinh: | no bitmap brushes ever went near those images |
| [10:12:52] | justinh: | all exported from inkscape at 256x256 |
| [10:13:21] | gbee: | well it's just a minor irritation, not important but thought I'd mention it |
| [10:16:31] | justinh: | I dunno what it's supposed to be, so I'll just pull it when I get a minute |
| [10:18:23] | gbee: | it's a wart |
| [10:18:51] | gbee: | or a beauty spot, but what would a clock need with one of those? |
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| [10:25:14] | dns53: | how does mythtv set it's time, the os time is correct, the mythtv time is off by an hour since i have moved to daylight saving time |
| [10:27:03] | justinh: | mythtv uses the system time |
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| [10:42:21] | dns53: | how do you adjust the mythweb timezone? |
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| [11:06:16] | justinh: | pff. how does anyone expect mythboinc to be considered as official if it's not been attached to a ticket? |
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| [11:13:42] | rooaus: | dns53: You need to update php as it has its own tz data. |
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| [11:15:14] | justinh: | heh I didn't know that |
| [11:15:15] | justinh: | [Date] |
| [11:15:16] | justinh: | ; Defines the default timezone used by the date functions |
| [11:16:10] | gbee: | won't be allowed into svn until it's ported to mythui |
| [11:16:53] | gbee: | otherwise some poor sap, i.e. me, will have to convert it over before 0.22 just to keep it working |
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| [11:25:19] | laga_: | if someone wants to make $500 for mythtv consulting: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=941362 – that guy wants a complete myth box, basically. |
| [11:32:02] | justinh: | only $500, and more hassle than it's worth. nifty |
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| [11:35:12] | justinh: | and it's 'only to add value to properties' they rent out |
| [11:37:30] | justinh: | I bet you love being called 'Mike' too laga ;) |
| [11:37:36] | laga_: | yes |
| [11:37:39] | laga_: | it's totally awesome |
| [11:37:51] | laga_: | i wish more people did it.. when i can reach their eyes |
| [11:38:35] | ** justinh goes to fetch a cloth to wipe the newly spluttered out food from his desk ** | |
| [11:38:59] | laga_: | heh |
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| [11:39:31] | laga_: | too bad this channel is logged ;) |
| [11:41:15] | justinh: | Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts. I wonder how come |
| [11:42:07] | directhex: | because you're an unrepentant asshole to people? :) |
| [11:42:28] | justinh: | that |
| [11:42:43] | justinh: | that's true of course but I never joined the ubuntu forums AFAIK |
| [11:43:12] | justinh: | I'm not paid enough to be nice, I keep telling people that |
| [11:43:18] | directhex: | i got an equal number of thanks and additions to hit lists in my brief ubuntu forum interactuions |
| [11:43:52] | justinh: | besides, the ubuntu forum rules don't fit in with my way of thinking. if people act like they need a slap, slap them |
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| [12:00:18] | laga_: | i'm playing around with yacy now. making my own search index. yay |
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| [12:26:59] | orogor: | hi here |
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| [12:30:00] | orogor: | anyone here is using a freebox with mythtv ? |
| [12:34:57] | justinh: | that might be taken as a 'no' |
| [12:35:44] | orogor: | i guesss so |
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| [12:36:42] | justinh: | ask a less vague question & maybe somebody can help |
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| [12:50:50] | ** mzb_d800 feels unhelpful too ** | |
| [12:52:33] | mzb_d800: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freebox ?? |
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| [12:52:59] | ** mzb_d800 sits on justinh's side of the # ;) ** | |
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| [12:57:04] | ** mzb_d800 moves back on to the fence ... somebody farted ;) ** | |
| [13:01:24] | orogor: | mzb_d800, yes that one |
| [13:01:37] | orogor: | i run mythfilldatabase and it hangs on Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost |
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| [13:03:34] | mzb_d800: | sounds like your problem has nothing to do with your machine being a freebox |
| [13:03:50] | mzb_d800: | more likely that you've not setup your database |
| [13:04:02] | orogor: | haaa no it was waiting for net connecton |
| [13:04:07] | orogor: | just took a while |
| [13:04:10] | mzb_d800: | check the docs + wiki for an answer |
| [13:04:13] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [13:04:19] | mzb_d800: | different |
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| [13:07:09] | justinh: | so, nothing to do with your use of the freebox :) |
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| [13:11:06] | ** justinh counts to ten ** | |
| [13:11:23] | justinh: | nope. still irate |
| [13:11:51] | justinh: | fucking ungrateful c***s who call themselves users |
| [13:12:57] | justinh: | I really have to stop looking at the -users mailing list |
| [13:14:20] | clev: | yes, yes you do |
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| [13:16:09] | justinh: | saying stuff like "no offence to the developers or anything, but XYZ sucks" is just pointless |
| [13:17:30] | jamesd: | is saying "is the developer of Y here? no... good Y sucks! donkey balls" any better? |
| [13:17:52] | justinh: | what do you think? |
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| [13:18:19] | ** jamesd thinks I needs more coffee. ** | |
| [13:19:15] | justinh: | I've been discovering more music I hate with a passion today. The Art Of Noise |
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| [13:45:49] | GreyFoxx: | Subject: Re: [mythtv-users] how to improve Myth |
| [13:45:59] | GreyFoxx: | Answer: Start Writing Code and or Themes |
| [13:46:59] | justinh: | hrm. electronic cigarettes. seems a much cheaper way of getting a nicotine hit |
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| [13:48:02] | fietsbel: | hej guys, am trying to compile mantis drivers. getting some errors. could someone here give me a hand maybe? |
| [13:49:27] | justinh: | has to be worth a punt, even if only to wind up non-smokers in non-smoking areas :D |
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| [14:05:22] | directhex: | <themill> [15:00] <dooglus> when I plug my USB memory card in to debian, a box pops up saying "Cannot mount volume. Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied." and a bunch of "details" |
| [14:05:22] | directhex: | <themill> [15:00] <themill> dooglus: are you in the plugdev group? |
| [14:05:22] | directhex: | <themill> [15:01] <dooglus> themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you. |
| [14:06:36] | justinh: | :-O |
| [14:06:56] | justinh: | I heard that the plugdev group were associated with 9/11 |
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| [14:08:22] | fietsbel: | can someone help me with this problem: http://pastebin.com/m6add07d3 |
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| [14:09:20] | laga_: | directhex: rotfl |
| [14:10:00] | ** justinh wonders what these 'mantis' drivers have to do with mythtv ** | |
| [14:10:17] | laga_: | justinh: you can get those electronic cigarettes from dealextreme.com, too. not sure if they come without melamine |
| [14:10:40] | justinh: | lol |
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| [14:12:49] | fietsbel: | could someone help me with basic/Makefile: No such file or directory |
| [14:13:10] | fietsbel: | justinh well it's the drivers for my dvb card |
| [14:13:12] | fietsbel: | .. :( |
| [14:13:25] | laga_: | mantis? wasn't that the multiproto tree? |
| [14:14:00] | gbee: | multiproto is dead, long live s2api |
| [14:14:34] | fietsbel: | ? |
| [14:14:35] | laga_: | hear hear |
| [14:14:49] | fietsbel: | I have a technisat cablestar pro |
| [14:14:52] | fietsbel: | which I wanna get working |
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| [14:15:19] | ** justinh points at #linuxtv ** | |
| [14:15:46] | justinh: | and then hears somebody say "muhh, I asked in there but nobody answered in 60 seconds" |
| [14:20:20] | ** GreyFoxx updates his dev box ** | |
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| [14:21:40] | ** laga_ watchers yacy crawl help.ubuntu.com ** | |
| [14:21:46] | laga_: | i really need to limit search depth.. |
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| [14:28:14] | Sulx: | fietsbel: cablestar isn't mantis? |
| [14:28:29] | Sulx: | or...dunno about pro |
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| [14:28:41] | Sulx: | I have the 'non-pro' version and its b2c2 flexcop |
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| [15:37:59] | iamlindoro_: | I see we've reincarnated "How MythTV sucks" as a thread on -users |
| [15:38:25] | laga_: | do i want to read it? |
| [15:38:32] | laga_: | oh yes i do... |
| [15:39:20] | laga_: | well, the OP has a point. or a vision, rather. |
| [15:39:23] | laga_: | patches welcome.. |
| [15:39:36] | wagnerrp: | constructive remarks? or just a big rant? |
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| [15:41:05] | laga_: | first posting is a bit constructive. |
| [15:41:31] | laga_: | people want "search/sort by metadata" |
| [15:41:34] | laga_: | if we only had meta data |
| [15:41:38] | wagnerrp: | just lump all content into one giant table |
| [15:41:50] | justinh: | cut them off from all future updates |
| [15:41:57] | justinh: | bastards |
| [15:42:17] | laga_: | hah |
| [15:43:20] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt mind for some better filtering in mythvideo, but i dont know if i would go so far as to combine them with the recordings |
| [15:44:21] | iamlindoro_: | Some of the UI bling is nice, and being able to set a scraper per-directory is cool (and coming the MythVideo anyway) but the XBMC player SUUUUUUCCCCCKKKS |
| [15:44:23] | justinh: | it's like nobody has ever looked at mythv & thought "hmm, this could be a little better" but if there was time and motivation do these idiots not think it'd be any different? |
| [15:44:37] | iamlindoro_: | like, crash Xorg at the end of one out of five playbacks sucks |
| [15:44:51] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: have you times how long XBMC's screens are blank inbetween transitions? ;) |
| [15:44:54] | justinh: | *timed |
| [15:45:07] | iamlindoro_: | ugh, no, I'm sure it would be some huge amount |
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| [15:45:17] | iamlindoro_: | a second or two I would guess |
| [15:45:26] | justinh: | pretty horrendous |
| [15:45:45] | justinh: | how long does it take to draw a few pngs on top of one another? |
| [15:46:17] | wagnerrp: | can a plugin flip the UI over to non-plugin menu pages? |
| [15:46:54] | justinh: | actually... I need to go & see a hypnotherapist or something. this business where I'm continually surprised by all the whining should not come as news to me so often |
| [15:47:09] | justinh: | wagnerrp: once it's converted to mythui, I think it can |
| [15:47:16] | wagnerrp: | say, per the OPs example, youre watching star trek in mythvideo |
| [15:47:29] | wagnerrp: | could you have a menu option to 'search for star trek in recordings' |
| [15:47:34] | justinh: | no |
| [15:48:25] | justinh: | we know we need more ui commonality (mythui), we know we could use metadata better, yada yada yada |
| [15:48:59] | justinh: | there are only so many contributors, only so many hours in the day.. and these feckers keep opening bug tickets |
| [15:49:01] | iamlindoro_: | Greyfoxx's new scraper idea can/should be expanded, though, and that will put Myth metadata pretty close to on par with XBMCs |
| [15:49:22] | iamlindoro_: | erm, and it's a misnomer to call it a scraper, it's using the API |
| [15:49:25] | iamlindoro_: | my bad |
| [15:49:46] | justinh: | oh yeah.. and add "muh, but xbmc doesn't rely on external scripts" is denying that XBMC don't give a flying shite about T&Cs |
| [15:50:17] | laga_: | what's greyfoxx' idea? |
| [15:50:42] | justinh: | use thetvdb.com data & things :) |
| [15:50:45] | laga_: | ah |
| [15:50:56] | laga_: | netflix might also be worth a look. not sure about their T&C |
| [15:51:10] | justinh: | with more metadata & varied tagging there's not much of a reason why more stuff can't be integrated |
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| [15:51:31] | laga_: | yeah. |
| [15:51:41] | iamlindoro_: | I am pretty sure netflixes T&C prohibit scraping |
| [15:51:53] | laga_: | could make a nice framework and just pre-tag recordings and video data, so it's easy to distinguish between those |
| [15:51:54] | iamlindoro_: | the omdb, themoviedb, and thetvdb are all open, good sources |
| [15:52:00] | laga_: | iamlindoro_: there's the new netflix API |
| [15:52:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: apart from thetvdb using 'fan art' |
| [15:52:14] | iamlindoro_: | not totally complete, but that's just an excuse for someone to implement the ability to submit info straight from myth |
| [15:52:38] | justinh: | 'fan art', aka images of illegal nature the big wigs turn a blind eye to, but they're still officially illegal |
| [15:52:44] | laga_: | justinh: fan art? like kirk/spock slash fiction? |
| [15:52:44] | laga_: | ah |
| [15:53:10] | justinh: | like show 'banners', that kind of thing |
| [15:53:20] | justinh: | re-use of copyrighted artwork |
| [15:53:37] | wagnerrp: | winamp skins |
| [15:54:19] | justinh: | no, like http://thetvdb.com/banners/_cache/graphical/80348-g.jpg |
| [15:54:27] | justinh: | and http://thetvdb.com/banners/_cache/fanart/original/80348-15.jpg |
| [15:54:40] | justinh: | and http://thetvdb.com/banners/_cache/posters/80348-1.jpg |
| [15:55:02] | justinh: | legality never worries xbmc users :-\ |
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| [15:55:34] | justinh: | never has. not since the (built with stolen development tools) original XBMC |
| [15:56:02] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Were you around the other day when I told the story about their channel? |
| [15:56:12] | justinh: | don't think so |
| [15:56:38] | wagnerrp: | the staff member openly downloading some torrent file to see if they could get it to play (to aid a user)? |
| [15:56:39] | justinh: | oh wait.,. the one where they'll just fork mythbackend? |
| [15:56:40] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Someone comes in and complains that they can't get some "scene" release to play. One of their devs goes, "What crew and release?" and proceeds to download it himself to fix the problem |
| [15:56:58] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, I applaud the responsive attitude, but.... |
| [15:57:22] | justinh: | lawls |
| [15:58:30] | justinh: | oh, xbmc can play torrent files directly? :-O |
| [15:58:35] | justinh: | ;) |
| [15:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | No, but I think even playing groups of RAR files is enough implied "illegal is okay" |
| [15:59:12] | justinh: | well, not meaning this in any vindictive way but it'll be a great example to everybody who's ever asked for a myth BT client |
| [15:59:25] | justinh: | when the feds go a-knockin |
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| [16:01:22] | ** justinh stops updating /themes themes ** | |
| [16:01:49] | justinh: | I felt like it earlier, but even just making menu-ui.xml seems like such a chore |
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| [16:37:25] | muffi1: | Hi there I enabled opengl on the front end and now all the menus are invisible. How I can disable it in the command line? |
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| [16:38:03] | iamlindoro_: | mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
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| [16:39:07] | muffi1: | thanks! |
| [16:39:53] | iamlindoro_: | np |
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| [16:49:58] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: I mentioned it, just didn't make a ticket |
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| [17:35:26] | Ryushin: | So, is SVN stable enough to upgrade yet. I haven't upgraded since they started redoing themes. |
| [17:35:34] | GreyFoxx: | I wouldn't today |
| [17:35:38] | GreyFoxx: | lots of changes today |
| [17:36:09] | GreyFoxx: | Yesterday I would have said go for it :) |
| [17:36:31] | Ryushin: | Okay, so things are mostly good now. just wait for the commits to die down? |
| [17:36:49] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [17:36:57] | wagnerrp: | or grab yesterday's revision |
| [17:37:59] | iamlindoro_: | *after* 18593 or before 18557 |
| [17:38:06] | iamlindoro_: | (from yesterday, that is |
| [17:38:07] | iamlindoro_: | ) |
| [17:38:34] | Ryushin: | Okay, I can do that. I was thinking of upgrading this weekend or so. Good to hear that things are working again. |
| [17:38:57] | Ryushin: | Any word on if the PVR-HD issues are solved and that it's working well with myth? |
| [17:39:08] | iamlindoro_: | That's HD-PVR, and it's still a work in progress |
| [17:39:14] | iamlindoro_: | There' plenty of info on its wiki page |
| [17:40:12] | Ryushin: | Okay. I was planning on picking up 4 of them around the december time frame. |
| [17:40:20] | iamlindoro_: | GEnerally speaking, if you don't expect IR blasting or receiving to work, and lock your set top box to a single output resolution, and apply the correct patches to myth and run the most recent firmware, then yes, it will work nicely |
| [17:41:17] | Ryushin: | So..... Waiting is recommended. :) |
| [17:41:32] | iamlindoro_: | Depends on your level of adventurousness, I guess |
| [17:42:04] | iamlindoro_: | Most of us using it regularly already change channels on the STB through firewire or USB, and set output to 720p or 1080i full time... works nicely after that |
| [17:42:30] | Ryushin: | I just have the WAF to deal with. |
| [17:42:52] | iamlindoro_: | Well, I'll say this... it wouldn't *hurt* to wait a few months |
| [17:43:03] | iamlindoro_: | It's getting acceptable now-- It may well be "damn good" by then |
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| [17:43:37] | iamlindoro_: | So December is probably a fair timeframe |
| [17:44:11] | iamlindoro_: | It's not unreasonable to think that by then firmware loading will be present in the driver, and that IR will work, and maybe even that the crashes with changing resolutions will have been solved. |
| [17:44:28] | iamlindoro_: | At which point I can't see any great reason it wouldn't be ready for broad use |
| [17:44:39] | iamlindoro_: | or even male use |
| [17:46:46] | Ryushin: | That looks good then. Just need to be a bit more patient. |
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| [18:11:47] | GlemSom: | I'm trying to get xorg to use 1080p for my 42" screen... I've tried nvidia-setup – but I am only able to get the screen to run in 1080i (not 1080p)... I know the screen can do 1080p... I just cannot get xorg to do it,,, I've tried custom modlines – but that does not seem to work... By looking at the edid info from xorg – it looks like my nvidia 8500 card cannot regionise the screen as being able to do 1080p... Are their any tools to help me |
| [18:11:48] | GlemSom: | configure it ? |
| [18:12:49] | iamlindoro_: | What's your TV model? |
| [18:13:17] | laga_: | hum, crawling mythtv.org including the mailing list takes ages :) |
| [18:13:47] | iamlindoro_: | laga_: The "boo hoooo, why doesn't anyone listen to me even though I can't write patches" bit is in full swing |
| [18:13:54] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, it's Zepto Pantheon A42 – Full HD |
| [18:16:31] | laga_: | iamlindoro_: sigh. |
| [18:16:44] | iamlindoro_: | GlemSom: If EDID is not returning the corect results, you may need to look into the "IgnoreEDID" "true" setting for xorg.conf |
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| [18:18:26] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, ok – thanks... I'll try and fiddle with that |
| [18:22:31] | RyeBrye: | GlenSom – are you able to drive that TV at 1080p from another source? Is it 1080p 60hz or 1080p_24 (24 fps)? When I was shopping for TV's, the "Full HD" Sony Bravia I bought only did 1080p_24 and it didn't have 1080p in its EDID so no computer I attached to it would want to drive it at 1080p |
| [18:22:49] | RyeBrye: | I just returned the TV and got a different one, since I wanted 1080p 60Hz at a bare minimum |
| [18:26:12] | RyeBrye: | I can only imagine how many people bought that particular Sony, hoping to "one day" connet it to a computer at 1080p, and not having a computer on hand to hook it up didn't realize that the "1080p" they thought they were buying was some funky blu-ray version |
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| [18:34:21] | GlemSom: | RyeBrye, Well, I do not have any other 1080p sources – so I really cannot test... But I'll look in the specs... Maybe mine is a 1080p@24hz aswell... |
| [18:36:14] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye: For reference, 1080p24 is a *higher* end spec than 1080p60 |
| [18:36:42] | iamlindoro_: | the 24 fps setting allows one to play film material at a refresh rate that matches a whole number multiple of the frame rate |
| [18:37:11] | RyeBrye: | Yes, I understand that – but I would think that on a true high-end TV it would support both 1080p_24 AND 1080p60 |
| [18:37:30] | iamlindoro_: | I would be shocked if it truly didn't support 1080p30/60, however |
| [18:37:41] | iamlindoro_: | What model television was this? |
| [18:37:49] | iamlindoro_: | (specifically, that is) |
| [18:37:49] | RyeBrye: | I can double check... it was a year or so ago |
| [18:37:59] | RyeBrye: | I thikn I have the receipt in my email |
| [18:38:06] | RyeBrye: | (bought online / picked up in store) |
| [18:39:02] | RyeBrye: | Sony KDF50E3000 I think |
| [18:39:21] | RyeBrye: | http://www.hdtvsolutions.com/Sony-BRAVIA_KDF-50E3000.htm |
| [18:40:06] | RyeBrye: | On that page, under the formats – it lists them out and only has 1080i and 1080p_24 – and in the EDID I dumped from it, it seemed to make no mention of any 1080p settings – so my computer would only drive it at 1080i |
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| [18:40:47] | iamlindoro_: | According to multiple other specs pages and reviews, it supports both |
| [18:40:51] | iamlindoro_: | 24 and 60 |
| [18:41:00] | iamlindoro_: | I can believe the EDID bit, though |
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| [18:41:27] | RyeBrye: | yeah, it's possible it does – but the picture quality of it was a little low so, and the EDID bit was the additional motivating factor to return it |
| [18:42:09] | RyeBrye: | The projection engine in it was not that great – it had some kind of iris that was really laggy – so in transitions between dark and bright scenes it was very noticeable. you could lock the iris down on it, but then the dynamic range was really limited |
| [18:43:35] | RyeBrye: | ... of course, now I want to get a 120Hz TV so I can do the 2x de-interlacers :) |
| [18:44:02] | iamlindoro_: | You don't need a 120Hz for that |
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| [18:44:27] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I thougth 60Hz would – but when I turned one on it complaiend that my display refresh rate wasn't fast enough for 2x deinterlacing |
| [18:44:32] | RyeBrye: | I didn't look into it muc |
| [18:44:34] | iamlindoro_: | 2x deinterlacers need a refresh rate 2x the framerate. 60 Hz is fine. |
| [18:45:41] | RyeBrye: | I'll make sure it was actually set for 60Hz – I saw it going at 51 or 53 or somethign strange the other day – I didn't even know it supported a funky 50's refresh rate |
| [18:48:29] | hadees: | i am using 2 hdpvr with trunk and my backend will randomly freeze up on me usally takes about a day, i look in the error logs and i don't see anything |
| [18:49:15] | hadees: | if i restart the backend though it works |
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| [18:52:07] | GlemSom: | iamlindoro, RyeBrye .. Just for the record. I tried upgrading the nvidia driver 173.14.12... Now I can atleast do 1080p at 50Hz... :) |
| [18:52:59] | GlemSom: | Ohh – and I can do 1080p@24Hz aswell :D |
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| [18:53:30] | GlemSom: | Though – the mouse feels a little laggy at 1080p@24hz compared to 1080p@50hz... :/ |
| [18:54:48] | iamlindoro_: | You don't want to be running at 1080p24 fulltime anyway |
| [18:55:05] | iamlindoro_: | You should only be switching into it to play material that would look good in it (read: film material ONLY) |
| [18:55:34] | iamlindoro_: | Anything filmed at any other frame rate will look really wrong |
| [18:56:41] | iamlindoro_: | There is a fairly neat patch in trac right now that will hopefully make it in by .22 that will switch refresh rates when film material is detected |
| [18:56:57] | dashcloud: | unless I'm mistaken, actual 24p material is quite rare |
| [18:57:34] | gbee: | have to check that it's optional, I don't want it trying to change the refresh rate of my TV |
| [18:57:35] | iamlindoro_: | you are mistaken |
| [18:57:53] | dashcloud: | interesting |
| [18:58:06] | iamlindoro_: | almost all blu-ray and HD-DVD material, for example, uses it |
| [18:58:20] | hadees: | so any idea how i can figure out why its freezing? nothing in my logs are overtly giving me any info |
| [18:58:56] | dashcloud: | so it's goodbye to NTSC/PAL/etc framerates, and onto a standard framerate? |
| [18:59:09] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Have you applied the polltimeout patch, and have you locked all your output resolutions |
| [18:59:23] | iamlindoro_: | dashcloud: doubtful, I don't see broadcasts changing any time soon |
| [18:59:31] | hadees: | i did lock all the output resolutions but i haven't applied any patches |
| [18:59:50] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: HD-PVR wiki page, first step for the MythTV howto portion links the appropriate patches |
| [19:01:48] | iamlindoro_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5643 |
| [19:01:51] | iamlindoro_: | That's the one |
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| [19:03:15] | hadees: | iamlindoro, is this the patch you mean? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5604 |
| [19:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: That is an old version, apply the one I directed you to |
| [19:04:30] | iamlindoro_: | (linked on the HD-PVr wiki page) |
| [19:04:46] | iamlindoro_: | 5643 is related to the other thing I was talking about, 24p refresh rates |
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| [19:22:12] | RyeBrye: | 29.97 fps forever! |
| [19:23:12] | RyeBrye: | GlemSom – there is a newer nvidia beta driver out too – 177.something I thnk |
| [19:23:55] | RyeBrye: | and re: 2x deinterlacers – if I timestretch a 30fps recording, would I need more than 60Hz to be able to play it back using a 2x deinterlacer? |
| [19:24:05] | justinh: | well duh – things are bound to look laggy at 24fps. Like in a film |
| [19:24:07] | RyeBrye: | (i.e. if I crank it up to 1.5 or 2x) |
| [19:24:42] | RyeBrye: | Is it normal that the OpenGL playback on an Nvidia card with the nvidia driver would be absolutely sluggish compared to just using xvblit? |
| [19:24:57] | hadees: | iamlindoro, when i patched it i got "patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line" does that matter? |
| [19:25:03] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [19:25:53] | iamlindoro_: | at least, not in this particular case |
| [19:27:04] | justinh: | why would the opengl renderer be that much slower anyway? other than broken opengl I mean |
| [19:27:53] | iamlindoro_: | OpenGL is slower, not faster than Xv, RyeBrye |
| [19:28:08] | iamlindoro_: | Also, experimental and not ready for primetime |
| [19:28:09] | RyeBrye: | yeah, I figured that out :) |
| [19:28:19] | iamlindoro_: | and needs MOAR CPU |
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| [19:29:01] | iamlindoro_: | But in return you get... erm... |
| [19:29:03] | iamlindoro_: | uh... |
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| [19:29:15] | iamlindoro_: | an OSD that is always at your screen res! |
| [19:29:17] | iamlindoro_: | and... |
| [19:29:19] | iamlindoro_: | uhm... |
| [19:29:20] | justinh: | and... |
| [19:29:24] | justinh: | and... |
| [19:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | er... |
| [19:29:28] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, It was using 150 or 160% cpu and couldn't get timestretch up beyond 1.3 without dropping frames and such on a q9550 running at 3.6 Ghz – Xv-blit can do 2x timestretch on the same material with 40% CPU useage |
| [19:29:28] | iamlindoro_: | yeah! |
| [19:29:37] | justinh: | though why it's only available with opengl is beyond me |
| [19:29:40] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, the OSD was nice on the OpenGL |
| [19:30:00] | justinh: | unless you're changing modes for different resolution of video... |
| [19:30:25] | justinh: | oh yeah – better video scaling quality (in theory) |
| [19:30:49] | iamlindoro_: | Where did that kid who had the hardon for Lanczos scaling go, anyway? |
| [19:30:59] | iamlindoro_: | "Imma go work on that RIGHT NOAW!" |
| [19:31:09] | justinh: | RyeBrye: you're only really notice the osd looking better if you used one with > 640x480 base res |
| [19:31:15] | RyeBrye: | I don't know who that kid was, but the name of it is kind of making me bone up a bit ;) |
| [19:31:41] | RyeBrye: | I think the OpenGL2 rendering mode for the OSD had a nicer alpha to it than I get with XV-blit – that was the only thing I really noticed |
| [19:31:49] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: well, compared to something lame like a bt client, lanczos would give me wood too |
| [19:32:06] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Just pointing out that it's been a yearish |
| [19:32:13] | ** RyeBrye names his nextborn child "Lanczos" ** | |
| [19:32:33] | justinh: | teh b35t sc@l3z0r5!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [19:33:06] | RyeBrye: | Anyone here using the irwatcher.pl perl script to do "enhanced lirc" stuff? I was configuring it today and it's pretty clever |
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| [19:33:13] | justinh: | kills cpu like a bastard apparently, but makes dvd look niiiice on HDTVs |
| [19:33:31] | RyeBrye: | If it kills CPU, I want it! |
| [19:33:33] | iamlindoro_: | I use a wii remote tucked into my pants with the rumble pack to do enhanced lirc stuff |
| [19:33:41] | RyeBrye: | well... if it's threaded at least |
| [19:33:42] | justinh: | lirc here is as clever as I need it to be |
| [19:33:50] | ** RyeBrye has 4 cores to keep busy now :) ** | |
| [19:34:00] | justinh: | and by clever I mean SMART not clever |
| [19:34:09] | iamlindoro_: | which is amusingly the opposite of that |
| [19:34:13] | clev: | stop that:P |
| [19:34:48] | RyeBrye: | justinh – what it does is cool – it watches irw and will keep track of durations and such of keypresses – and it also uses the network control port of Myth so it can make buttons sensitive to the context of myth |
| [19:34:49] | hadees: | is there a screen in mythvideo that would tell me when files were added by date? |
| [19:34:58] | GreyFoxx: | No |
| [19:35:22] | justinh: | RyeBrye: sounds like having to tap out morse code on remote buttons. WAF----------------------- |
| [19:35:41] | hadees: | how hard would it be to create one? |
| [19:35:57] | justinh: | see this button? hold it down for 2 secs & it does this... but hold it down for 3 secs & it does this.. Oops. I lost her at hold it |
| [19:36:04] | RyeBrye: | Well... you COULD do that – but it's more like "Hit fast forward – and it fast forwards. Hold it down for a second and it skips to the end of the show" |
| [19:36:05] | iamlindoro_: | "Baby, are my workout videos a seven second hold of the Up button, or a twele second hold of the back button?" |
| [19:36:10] | justinh: | hadees: more to the point, WHY? |
| [19:36:25] | GreyFoxx: | I'm going to add a "lastupdated" field for the last time we updated metadata. honestly can't see much use for a field for when it was first seen by the video manager on the drive |
| [19:36:53] | RyeBrye: | Or like the tivo button – you hit it and it jumps to the list of recorded shows – or hit it again and it jumps to the playback of a show... |
| [19:37:16] | hadees: | justinh, because then I could have what ever programs I want dump files into mythvideo and be able to see what was added recently kind of like how you go through recordings |
| [19:37:20] | justinh: | wtf is a tivo? |
| [19:37:24] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [19:37:29] | Anduin: | hadees: if you don't actually care about the date and just want a found order, the video id is that. |
| [19:37:31] | clev: | RyeBrye: you can bind the 'keys' to different actions based on the context a little, in the key setup wizard |
| [19:37:39] | clev: | RyeBrye: and the lirc buttons are tied to 'keys' |
| [19:37:50] | justinh: | hadees: sounds like a file browser |
| [19:37:50] | iamlindoro_: | video id could be used for some cool "recently added" features |
| [19:37:52] | hadees: | Anduin, yeah i guess that works, i was thinking of something like the recordings page |
| [19:37:52] | RyeBrye: | Interesting – I might look at that then too... |
| [19:38:07] | hadees: | justdave, can you do that in the file browser? |
| [19:38:14] | hadees: | thats what i was orginally asking |
| [19:38:21] | justinh: | no I meant A file browser |
| [19:38:26] | RyeBrye: | The whole duration thing I think is pretty damn cool – but I guess the fact that nobdy else likes the idea of "long pressing" probably explains why such functionality isn't already in Myth :P |
| [19:38:26] | justinh: | as in A FILE BROWSER |
| [19:38:41] | hadees: | oh i thought you meant a view in mythvideo |
| [19:39:33] | justinh: | you could always have a 'sort by modified date' or whatever |
| [19:39:54] | justinh: | or put that into a new column in videometadata or whetever |
| [19:39:58] | justinh: | then use that |
| [19:40:17] | justinh: | none of this is rocket science, but there are more pressing matters to deal with |
| [19:40:19] | RyeBrye: | Isn't there a FUSE thing that does something with the myth recordings directory? |
| [19:40:33] | RyeBrye: | I never looked into it much, but saw something listed and thought "who would ever need that" |
| [19:41:02] | clev: | RyeBrye: ive seen a windows driver that turns an audio cd into a 'folder' of wav files |
| [19:41:03] | RyeBrye: | http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/mythtvfs-fuse/ I think talks about it |
| [19:41:11] | clev: | which is basicaly what the audio cd is at the raw level |
| [19:41:38] | clev: | the mythtv fuse driver just lets you play stuff in other programs, without caring what storage group/name the file has |
| [19:41:40] | RyeBrye: | I was trying to get a DPAP FUSE module that would let me mount iPhoto shares and use them with MythGallery – but haven't had any luck yet |
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| [19:46:39] | justinh: | hahahahahaha. that thread on -users didn't take long to descend into (the completely WRONG), "muh, all you developers shouting at us for not giving you patches for stuff we wanrt, THAT IS JUST PLAIN MEAN, YOU MEANIES".. when infact nobody attributed with dev work said anything of the sort. Yay for the users |
| [19:47:03] | RyeBrye: | what was the feature being requested? |
| [19:47:15] | RyeBrye: | and why doesn't someone just bone up and learn C |
| [19:47:17] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [19:47:17] | justinh: | mythtv could be better. discuss |
| [19:47:34] | RyeBrye: | Gotcha |
| [19:47:38] | ** iamlindoro_ began submitting patches just so that he could make wild feature requests like a plugin for neutering badgers ** | |
| [19:48:26] | RyeBrye: | iamlindor_ I had started on that badger plugin – but it requires the perl bindings to be updated and some better hardware support to be put into the kernel |
| [19:49:55] | iamlindoro_: | People tend to listen a lot more when you at least meet them halfway on the stuff you want |
| [19:50:17] | iamlindoro_: | "Hey, here's my halfassed non-programmer attempt at this feature" will get you respect, if nothing else |
| [19:50:30] | RyeBrye: | Yeah |
| [19:51:09] | directhex: | ARGH! SNAKE! |
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| [19:53:07] | hachi: | on a via chrome box, can I figure out if mythfrontend is offloading mpeg2 decoding to the chipset somehow? |
| [19:53:25] | GreyFoxx: | Is your OSD black and white ? |
| [19:54:43] | hachi: | I will look later... does it show up black and white if it's using the chipset? |
| [19:54:47] | iamlindoro_: | hmm... thought the OSD thing was nVidia only |
| [19:55:21] | GreyFoxx: | if you are using xvmc it should be blackand white/grayscale |
| [19:55:35] | GreyFoxx: | as far as I know that applies to the chrome stuff too |
| [19:55:53] | hachi: | I can't check now, the video output is on a screen far away from me... but thanks for the info |
| [19:56:19] | hachi: | mythfrontend is using all the cpu time it can, and I don't know if it's doing the mpeg decoding or not... debugging whoo :) |
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| [19:56:44] | GreyFoxx: | you can also try mythfrontend -v playback |
| [19:56:46] | GreyFoxx: | and check the output |
| [19:59:24] | bronson: | I told mythfrontend to use the PVR-350 for output. |
| [19:59:41] | bronson: | No errors displayed, nothing in the logs, but it's still using the main display. |
| [19:59:57] | bronson: | Anyone know what I can do here? |
| [20:00:09] | justinh: | check your video playback profiles |
| [20:01:21] | sphery: | hachi: you're using a Pentium 3, right? Are you using a hardware encoder (PVR-x50)? You are using standard def, right? |
| [20:02:25] | hachi: | Pentium 3, no... PVR-150 |
| [20:02:30] | hachi: | I may have ruined the bitrate |
| [20:02:38] | hachi: | I need to reset everything real quick here |
| [20:03:59] | hachi: | I've got a core2duo here, and a via, and a p4... many different machines, so I'll try debugging this via the debug output and stuff first |
| [20:07:09] | sphery: | that should be plenty of power, then, so nvm |
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| [20:19:32] | RyeBrye: | Can a P3 playback standard def mpeg2? |
| [20:19:59] | RyeBrye: | the reason I ask is that I have a p3 touchscreen ruggedized computer sitting here that a friend gave me – he bought a ton of them off of some warehouse that went under |
| [20:20:02] | sphery: | with a video driver with Xv support, probably |
| [20:20:05] | iamlindoro_: | resolution? Bitrate? encoding options? |
| [20:20:11] | sphery: | (that's Xv, not XvMC) |
| [20:20:14] | iamlindoro_: | Speed of P3? |
| [20:20:23] | RyeBrye: | 1 Ghz I think |
| [20:20:59] | sphery: | but, then again, the frontend is the worst possible place to skimp on perfomance, IMHO. |
| [20:21:20] | RyeBrye: | well, yeah |
| [20:21:30] | RyeBrye: | This would just be some way to use that gigantic chunk of metal I have sitting in my office |
| [20:21:44] | RyeBrye: | http://www.citadelcomputer.com/pr2-usgov.html – it's one of those things the guy has on his forklift in the picture |
| [20:22:23] | RyeBrye: | The thing is HEAVY – and it's ruggedized... fully waterproof (or at least they show it being sprayed with a firehouse... I don't know if it can be submerged or not) |
| [20:23:02] | RyeBrye: | oh, I guess it's Pentium-M |
| [20:23:55] | iamlindoro_: | That i probably actually better than a P3 |
| [20:24:03] | iamlindoro_: | er is |
| [20:24:14] | iamlindoro_: | Should be fine for most MPEG-2 SD stuff |
| [20:24:16] | RyeBrye: | http://www.barcoding.com/common/Citadel/citad . . . 0-xl12.shtml the Vista 12XL :)... It's got sunlight and night-vision viewability :) |
| [20:24:18] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Got any trunk slave backends with differing protocol versions? If so, would you be interested in seeing if you get the same type of segfault when starting the backend from an interactive shell with a valid DISPLAY (where it may try to pop up the dialog)? |
| [20:24:48] | RyeBrye: | I've never even powered the stupid thing on yet... Maybe I'll play aroudn with it some tonight |
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| [20:26:32] | iamlindoro_: | Jaysus |
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| [20:26:51] | iamlindoro_: | The users list should just be renamed mythtv-misinformation and be done with it |
| [20:27:24] | iamlindoro_: | "If you are resigned to using coax, the PVR-250 is a nice tuner and probably your best choice ... I don't recommend the PVR-150. |
| [20:27:25] | iamlindoro_: | " |
| [20:27:33] | RyeBrye: | ? |
| [20:27:42] | RyeBrye: | Isn't the 250 the strange bastard child of the mix? |
| [20:27:54] | iamlindoro_: | the 250 was replaced by the 150, more or less |
| [20:28:01] | Dagmar: | no, it's the obsolete bastard child of the mix |
| [20:28:10] | RyeBrye: | isn't the 150 line also being replaced? |
| [20:28:15] | sphery: | yeah, but don't tell too many people as I'm thinking about putting my PVR-350, PVR-250, and 2 PVR-150's up on ebay. So, if someone is really wanting a PVR-250 or PVR-350 for the "better" tuner... |
| [20:28:16] | RyeBrye: | with some new numbered version? |
| [20:28:33] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | NTSC in general is set for extinction |
| [20:28:34] | iamlindoro_: | the 150 is already replaced, by the HVR-1600 |
| [20:28:42] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, that's what I thought |
| [20:28:56] | RyeBrye: | NTSC will probably linger around for a while depending upon the cable company |
| [20:29:04] | RyeBrye: | but OTA NTSC is definitely dying soon |
| [20:29:17] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | How's the driver support for the 1600 though? I've heard horror stories about it. |
| [20:29:26] | iamlindoro_: | Support is fine |
| [20:29:28] | iamlindoro_: | both sides work |
| [20:29:37] | sphery: | how's the Myth support? |
| [20:29:43] | sphery: | no hacks required? |
| [20:29:44] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | then again my first ivtv install was a royal PITA |
| [20:29:44] | iamlindoro_: | this is another case of "Shit on someone's blog sticking around for years and confusing people |
| [20:29:50] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: It's ivtv, so it's fine |
| [20:30:15] | sphery: | I thought there were some assumptions in the Myth ivtv code that wouldn't work with the HVR-1600 (or was it the 1800?) |
| [20:30:20] | iamlindoro_: | 1800 |
| [20:30:23] | sphery: | oh |
| [20:30:23] | RyeBrye: | hmm... does an RF modulator effectively remove the Macrovision? Just wondering if VCR -> RF Modulator -> PVR-150 = way to back up old school VHS tapes (using crap I already have lying aroudn the house... I know I could get a macrovision filter if I really cared) |
| [20:30:29] | iamlindoro_: | (as that one isn't ivtv) |
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| [20:31:01] | iamlindoro_: | "Which PCI slot is better/best? Is it preferable to be at the beginning, or end, of the PCI bus?" |
| [20:31:05] | iamlindoro_: | yay -users! |
| [20:31:24] | iamlindoro_: | Riding the short PCI-bus since 2002 |
| [20:31:40] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...to the back of the bus with you! |
| [20:31:57] | sphery: | if you don't worry about the useless optimizations, what's left to worry about? |
| [20:33:13] | RyeBrye: | I can see with PCI-Express worrying about which PCI express slot to use if only one is x16 or something – but I think latency and IRQ settings probably matter a whole lot more on a normal PCI bus than the actual slot it is in, right? |
| [20:33:16] | sphery: | then you'd just be saying that obviously since it comes up every couple of months integrating all media (recordings, videos, music) into a single UI and serving from the backend is a great idea, so the devs better up and code it already |
| [20:33:25] | directhex: | iamlindoro, to be fair, slot matters IRQwise |
| [20:33:28] | sphery: | (because you don't have any weird questiosn left to ask) |
| [20:33:50] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: Doesn't make the second sentence make any more sense |
| [20:33:59] | ** sphery hasn't thought about IRQ's since 1994 ** | |
| [20:34:12] | RyeBrye: | Anyone ever use NuBUS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NuBus |
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| [20:34:27] | iamlindoro_: | Yep |
| [20:34:31] | sphery: | isn't that one of those Cirque de Soleil shows? |
| [20:34:42] | RyeBrye: | Did anyone but Mac use NuBus? |
| [20:34:42] | iamlindoro_: | tore my hands open putting in nubus ethernet cards at my first IT job |
| [20:35:54] | ** directhex offers people some Maple Bus. ** | |
| [20:36:12] | directhex: | http://mc.pp.se/dc/maplebus.html |
| [20:36:32] | iamlindoro_: | Mmmmm, delicious Maple Bus |
| [20:36:33] | sphery: | ummm... maple-ey goodness |
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| [20:36:52] | directhex: | supported by any SuperH4 kernel! |
| [20:37:25] | RyeBrye: | That's cool. I have a special place in my heart (and in a bin in my office) for Dreamcast |
| [20:38:11] | iamlindoro_: | Wonder why we still don't have real Dreamcast emu |
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| [20:40:03] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, it's a shame that there isn't a good one |
| [20:40:03] | RyeBrye: | I do have a few Dreamcast -> USB adapters all ready for that day too |
| [20:40:03] | RyeBrye: | (I use them with the Dreamcast Arcade sticks and MAME) |
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| [20:40:35] | iamlindoro_: | There was good progress for a while and then it all petered out |
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| [20:43:43] | dashcloud: | does anyone know if the myth flashplayer supports h264+aac in flv? |
| [20:43:52] | kormoc: | it does not |
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| [20:44:21] | dashcloud: | okay- thanks |
| [20:45:03] | RyeBrye: | hmm... nullDC might work under WINE for a dreamcast emulator |
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| [20:52:29] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | how would you know that? no hdpvr type video in flash in linux? |
| [21:02:38] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH_myth, how would who know what? |
| [21:03:05] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | whether or not a particular video format works in linux (in flash)... |
| [21:03:36] | kormoc: | JEDIDIAH_myth, he asked specifically about the flash player we bundle with mythweb. That one does not support anything other then the specific format we transcode to on the fly |
| [21:03:44] | RyeBrye: | well... that's easy – look at adobe's specs pages... but he was talking about somethign else |
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| [21:04:49] | [1]p0lar: | Hey all anyone got time for a HDTV modeline question? |
| [21:05:04] | RyeBrye: | I have time but no answers |
| [21:05:12] | [1]p0lar: | heh |
| [21:06:40] | [1]p0lar: | i just have a horiz squished screen |
| [21:06:55] | [1]p0lar: | trying to get a HD modeline to full sceen it |
| [21:06:59] | [1]p0lar: | 16x9 style |
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| [21:07:07] | RyeBrye: | Why did DVD drive manufacturers that are not also content owners agree to put riplock on PC dvd-drives? |
| [21:08:03] | Dagmar: | Because they didn't have a choice |
| [21:09:01] | Dagmar: | [1]p0lar: You'll have less trouble if you just stop lying to the computer about what type of screen you have. |
| [21:09:54] | [1]p0lar: | ok |
| [21:10:04] | [1]p0lar: | the nvidia drivers are set for component out |
| [21:10:19] | Dagmar: | So it'll be assuming you have an SD display. |
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| [21:10:23] | RyeBrye: | Was it legislated? |
| [21:10:24] | [1]p0lar: | nope |
| [21:10:30] | Dagmar: | Look up DisplaySize in the wiki. |
| [21:10:30] | [1]p0lar: | HD panny 47 inch |
| [21:11:09] | Dagmar: | So you're not using the VGA or DVI input why? |
| [21:11:15] | [1]p0lar: | works well with windows mediacenter POC fullscreen but I want to run MYTH |
| [21:11:20] | [1]p0lar: | age |
| [21:11:25] | [1]p0lar: | no dvi or vga |
| [21:11:30] | [1]p0lar: | only component |
| [21:11:47] | Dagmar: | If it doesn't have either then you have to set DisplaySize or X will never know you have something other than a 4:3 display. |
| [21:11:56] | [1]p0lar: | ok |
| [21:12:22] | [1]p0lar: | looking on wiki now |
| [21:13:04] | Dagmar: | Modelines basically won't fix that, and since the driver will be rescaling and interlacing things for you, you might as well just stick with 1024x768 (or 800x600 if that gets a cleaner picture). |
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| [21:13:18] | [1]p0lar: | ok |
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| [21:13:28] | Dagmar: | X basically doesn't assume pixels are square unless it has no other choice. |
| [21:13:50] | ipstatic: | Anyone here using an ASUS P5E-VM HDMI motherboard with MythTV? |
| [21:13:50] | Dagmar: | ...and with composite output being used, it's forced to make that assumption. |
| [21:14:40] | [1]p0lar: | ok |
| [21:15:02] | ipstatic: | or does anyone know of a good motherboard with integrated graphics that will output 1080i resolution good? |
| [21:15:39] | ** kormoc wonders what output 1080i resolution good means ** | |
| [21:15:58] | ipstatic: | kormoc: not crappy :) |
| [21:16:06] | ipstatic: | basically, smooth with no tearing |
| [21:16:30] | kormoc: | playback of video is quite different then just outputting the resolution |
| [21:17:01] | [1]p0lar: | hmmm |
| [21:17:04] | kormoc: | so what bitrate is the video being displayed? high? med? low? |
| [21:17:05] | ipstatic: | ok, well what will playback that resolution smoothly? |
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| [21:17:13] | kormoc: | what deinterlacers are you planning to use |
| [21:17:14] | ipstatic: | high |
| [21:17:15] | [1]p0lar: | # For 1280x720 at 100dpi (16:9) |
| [21:17:21] | [1]p0lar: | tried that no change |
| [21:17:25] | [1]p0lar: | will keep trying |
| [21:17:34] | ipstatic: | umm, I don't know, what can I choose from? |
| [21:17:51] | kormoc: | so you're talking bout 20 mbit per second? so 70 gigs per hour of video? |
| [21:18:07] | ipstatic: | wow, maybe not that much :) |
| [21:18:23] | kormoc: | there's a ton, and a number of folks don't run them at all |
| [21:18:47] | ipstatic: | I won't be recording that much HD content, more SD content |
| [21:18:58] | kormoc: | well |
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| [21:19:19] | kormoc: | the newer intel stuff might work out for ya, or a nforce board with a nice geforce on it |
| [21:19:23] | gbee: | 20mbit/s would be 9Gb/hr |
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| [21:19:37] | kormoc: | gbee, ooh? I must have googled it wrong then |
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| [21:19:52] | ** kormoc likely typed in gigabit rather then gigabyte ** | |
| [21:20:09] | gbee: | 20/8*3600 |
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| [21:20:55] | [1]p0lar: | hay Dagmar got an example xorg.conf? |
| [21:21:11] | ipstatic: | yeah I was looking at either the ASUS P5Q-EM or the ASUS P5E-VM HDMI, where as the P5Q-EM uses the new Intel GMA X4500HD |
| [21:21:50] | ipstatic: | I just couldn't really find any reports of the ASUS P5Q-EM working well as an HD front end |
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| [21:30:37] | RyeBrye: | I've got the P5Q-Deluxe on my frontend |
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| [21:30:51] | ipstatic: | how is it? |
| [21:30:58] | RyeBrye: | Getting the SPDIF out to work required me to patch my kernel – but other than that I have no problems |
| [21:31:10] | ipstatic: | did you try audio via HDMI? |
| [21:31:21] | RyeBrye: | The P5Q-Deluxe doesn't have onboard HDMI |
| [21:31:27] | ipstatic: | oh |
| [21:31:28] | RyeBrye: | but I do have HDMI on my Nvidia 9500GT |
| [21:31:43] | RyeBrye: | so I use the SPDIF header on the motherboad -> the passthrough thing on the nvidia card |
| [21:32:04] | ipstatic: | hmmm |
| [21:32:06] | RyeBrye: | once I patched my kernel with the updated stuff to have it properly recognize my sound card, my audio worked |
| [21:32:24] | ipstatic: | I might have to try that |
| [21:32:27] | RyeBrye: | I haven't done any AC3 passthrough since right now I'm just using my TV speakers so it'd be overkill |
| [21:32:38] | ipstatic: | yeah, thats the boat I am in |
| [21:32:43] | RyeBrye: | There was a gigabyte board I saw that I might have gotten instead |
| [21:33:27] | RyeBrye: | I'll have to find the board – some board that had 4 NICs on it and a ton of SATA ports |
| [21:34:38] | RyeBrye: | The ASUS board has some nice heatsinks on it for overclocking |
| [21:35:25] | ipstatic: | nice, although I don't need to overclock, just a good front/backend that will record/playback mostly SD content and some HD content |
| [21:35:33] | justinh: | it's always overkill til you need it |
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| [21:36:30] | justinh: | though digital audio isn't generally something you can completely exclude these days ;) |
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| [21:37:06] | justinh: | i.e. it's not something you can dismiss now & later regret not opting to include |
| [21:37:18] | ipstatic: | yeah |
| [21:38:29] | justinh: | the only real way you can go wrong is choosing the wrong socket type / cpu family – but they both change often enough to built obsolescence into everything |
| [21:38:38] | justinh: | s/built/build |
| [21:39:16] | ipstatic: | yeah, i think I am going to go with the x4500HD integrated video and see what happens |
| [21:39:27] | ipstatic: | I have a couple hits on google telling me some people have got it working |
| [21:40:40] | justinh: | you can be pretty sure of stuff like that being made to work eventually even if it means patching the kernel |
| [21:40:59] | ipstatic: | yeah, plus its a real cost saver |
| [21:41:08] | ipstatic: | mobo + video for only $130? |
| [21:42:13] | squish102: | ipstatic is that ati? |
| [21:42:25] | justinh: | and if it turns out to be a real PITA you can always just plug in a new VGA device :) |
| [21:42:29] | ipstatic: | its intel |
| [21:42:58] | ipstatic: | squish102: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . SUS%20P5Q-EM |
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| [21:44:39] | squish102: | i just bought a nice board with an ati HD 3200 vid card + hdmi |
| [21:44:44] | squish102: | IT SUCKS :( |
| [21:45:03] | squish102: | think of just throwing in a nvidia card |
| [21:45:26] | ipstatic: | yeah, although ATI opened up their specs, their drivers still suck on Linux |
| [21:46:00] | squish102: | i cannot even get HD content to play with their drivers |
| [21:46:09] | Lynet_: | Anyone have some tuning tips for running mythfe on an aspire one? (Atom 1.6GHz, 512 RAM, 945GME). A search on the website didn't turn up much. |
| [21:47:18] | ipstatic: | squish102: plus phoronix.com had praises for Intel about them releasing the drivers for Linux the same day this card was available |
| [21:50:03] | kormoc: | Intel has always historically had the best linux support for their hardware |
| [21:50:27] | Lynet_: | Also the historically weakest gpus. |
| [21:50:31] | Lynet_: | unfortunately |
| [21:53:12] | kormoc: | they're not bad for what they were ment to do, plain jane workstation graphics |
| [21:54:00] | Lynet_: | Very true, and they are pretty much for free as they come as part of the mobo. |
| [21:55:02] | squish102: | i wish i could find someone that ran an ati hd 3200 card |
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| [21:55:31] | squish102: | think i will google and try every suggestion a second time |
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| [21:58:27] | kormoc: | try every other suggestion backwards with a chicken in the room |
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| [22:00:19] | Lynet_: | I thought the chicken was for debugging scsi problems. |
| [22:00:33] | gbee: | Lynet_: SD mpeg 2 plays just fine for me on the AA1 |
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| [22:02:21] | gbee: | squish102: I've a board with an ATI x1250 HDMI, no problems with HD, using Catalyst 8.3 (versions after this suffer from various problems which I believe are mostly fixed in the latest release) |
| [22:02:43] | Lynet_: | gbee: It works pretty fine for me too, but it looks like it is so colse to what it is capable of that I want to tune it as much as I can. |
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| [22:03:04] | gbee: | squish102: just don't forget to use Option "TexturedVideo" "on" |
| [22:03:13] | Lynet_: | gbee: You use xv or xvmc? |
| [22:03:43] | gbee: | on the AA1? xv |
| [22:04:26] | gbee: | not even interested in trying xvmc, as long as it works I've no real need and in the past I've found xvmc to be a pain |
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| [22:08:54] | squish102: | thanks gbee, i was trying with ubuntu 8.04 and the latest drivers from ati. I am pretty sure last time i had the textured video option but will make a note to follow that forum post first |
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| [22:27:36] | bsdfox__: | anyone here running gentoo and had issues with lost network connections (5–30 seconds) that causes playback to hang then time out? it's really annoying.. I figured it was probably hardware since it was really random.. swapped network cards, cables, tried using the other switch but nothing makes any difference. my fileserver stores all my mythvideo stuff and I never ever have a glitch using that data |
| [22:27:58] | bsdfox__: | so I figured I'd setup my backend on that machine and try again.. same things start happening on that box |
| [22:28:14] | bsdfox__: | so I'm pretty sure it's narrowed down to a mythtv specific problem, maybe only on gentoo |
| [22:28:27] | kormoc: | I run Gentoo without any problems |
| [22:28:52] | dustybin: | bsdfox__: what hangs? normal TV playback or mythvideo playback ? |
| [22:29:13] | iamlindoro: | Yayyyyy, MOAR TUNERZ |
| [22:29:43] | iamlindoro: | well, the HVR-1250 is absolutely plug and play in Ubuntu with no work if anytone asks... nice cheap QAM tuner |
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| [22:33:22] | jpabq_: | bsdfox__: swapped network cards for a different brand? Realtek NICs have given me problems like that. |
| [22:38:21] | bsdfox__: | jpabq: yeah I've got a handful of 3com 3c905 |
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| [22:38:36] | bsdfox__: | dustybin: normal tv playback and livetv |
| [22:38:46] | bsdfox__: | livetv maybe a little bit worse than recorded |
| [22:39:16] | dustybin: | bsdfox__: what messages does the frontend display on the terminal when the network goes? |
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| [22:39:30] | bsdfox__: | gimme a sec I'll have to search for it |
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| [22:40:37] | bsdfox__: | I get about 15 of these |
| [22:40:39] | bsdfox__: | NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times. |
| [22:41:09] | dustybin: | there is a option called 'stream from backend' try turning that on, its in the settings somewhere |
| [22:41:24] | bsdfox__: | then MythSocket(ab904cb0:24): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). RemoteFile::Read(): No response from control socket. RingBuf(myth://192.168.2.20:6543/1064_20081006010000.mpg) Error: RingBuffer::safe_read(RemoteFile* ...): read failed |
| [22:41:30] | bsdfox__: | ok |
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| [22:41:47] | cdent: | hi all |
| [22:42:02] | zabbadapp: | hello dr nic |
| [22:42:04] | dustybin: | bsdfox__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . fering_pause |
| [22:43:45] | bsdfox__: | thanks I will check that out |
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| [22:44:27] | bsdfox__: | just enabled streaming (though the description seems to say that it just doesn't look for the video locally first) |
| [22:45:06] | cdent: | i have some questions about channel lineups, input groups, and dvb, i can't figure out if what i'm experiencing is expected and unchangeable behavior or not. my dvb tuner is input 1, but I think i selected that my dvb tuner can record 2 streams on the same multiplex, so it's also input 2, i also have inputs 3 and 4, they are NTSC and not QAM like inputs 1 and 2... when i select 'Watch TV' and press up or down to see my channels, i |
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| [23:24:26] | sphery: | cdent: there's a built-into-IRC limit on the length of a single message. Yours stops at "press up or down to see my channels, i" so I don't know what problem you're having. |
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| [23:25:19] | sphery: | cdent: however, if you're going to say you can only see channels on input 1 (or input 4), that's exactly what should happen. |
| [23:25:32] | sphery: | cdent: you have to use the program guide to switch to a channel on another input |
| [23:25:48] | sphery: | cdent: or you need to map a key to change the card you're currently using |
| [23:28:40] | jams: | maybe he is still typing part two of the question |
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| [23:28:47] | mzb_d800: | heh |
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| [23:30:28] | justinh: | hrm. I can feel a patch to mythweb coming on to also show upcoming episodes of a show on the same page as the programme detail. it'd be handy to know if a showing is a one-off or not |
| [23:30:53] | justinh: | also to help judge what kind of rule to use |
| [23:31:34] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [23:31:43] | kormoc: | would be snazzy actually |
| [23:31:46] | justinh: | wonder if there's also room to show that in mythfrontend too |
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| [23:33:24] | justinh: | sometimes the description field shows the episode number out of the total number of showings but not in every case |
| [23:34:08] | gbee: | "Other showings of this title" or something, option is there when scheduling, though I'll admit it's a bit buried |
| [23:34:11] | kormoc: | justinh, it does ever? |
| [23:34:24] | kormoc: | I want to redo the backend a bit, ajaxify all that jazz |
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| [23:34:48] | justinh: | gbee: be better to be able to see at a glance IMHO |
| [23:35:00] | justinh: | there's plenty room for it I think, at least in mythweb |
| [23:35:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A like AJAX ;-) ** | |
| [23:35:24] | justinh: | kormoc: must depend on the listings source of course ;) |
| [23:35:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... "likes" ;-) |
| [23:35:44] | gbee: | in mythweb sure, maybe not so much in mythfrontend, but I guess we'll see |
| [23:35:58] | justinh: | php, I've wrangled before... ajax... whoah alien |
| [23:36:10] | kormoc: | justinh, it's really not bad |
| [23:36:37] | darkdrgn2k: | ok guys, is there any reason why my recordings start 3–5 mins into the show? my puter is synced with ntp |
| [23:36:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've done some basic ajax stuff, not super-complex stuff, pretty neat though. ;-) |
| [23:36:45] | gbee: | ajax is actually pretty simple, does require knowledge of JS and DOM |
| [23:36:53] | justinh: | darkdrgn2k: easy, the broadcaster ain't synced with ntp |
| [23:37:24] | darkdrgn2k: | justinh: great.. now do i corrent i it.. EVERY show is like that! |
| [23:37:25] | justinh: | remember when you had to set your VCR a few minutes either side of a show time? it wasn't cos your VCR clock was out of whack ;) |
| [23:38:03] | justinh: | gbee: arghh js? now I feel like running away & hiding |
| [23:38:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | justinh: Awe, it's not all that bad! ;-) |
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| [23:38:54] | justinh: | well, I'll put the feature-ette on my ever-growing list of stuff I'd like to do one day |
| [23:38:55] | gbee: | oh I used to hate JS and even now it's just something I have to use rather than something I chose to use |
| [23:39:07] | justinh: | in the meantime... |
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| [23:40:05] | gbee: | I really need to zip up this metallurgy update and push it to the website ..... but I just can't be bothered |
| [23:40:32] | justinh: | my work day tomorrow will mostly be comprised of trying not to melt a DVR in an environmental test chamber, so plenty time to hack on xml files. that out of the way I'll be able to play with code again |
| [23:40:38] | darkdrgn2k: | justinh:how do i adjust it to start a few mins early |
| [23:40:58] | darkdrgn2k: | every channel :-P |
| [23:41:00] | jams: | gbee- the menu xml change has been commited? |
| [23:41:02] | justinh: | darkdrgn2k: one of two ways. you can set every recording to start early/end late |
| [23:41:14] | darkdrgn2k: | or change the time |
| [23:41:34] | justinh: | or you can set each recording schedule to do so on a case by case basis. hard vs soft padding. can't remember which is which |
| [23:41:58] | gbee: | darkdrgn2k: Setup >> TV Settings >> General – third page or something, "Time to record before start of show (in seconds)" |
| [23:42:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, you can set stuff to start early, but I don't think you can tell it to end early.... |
| [23:42:16] | gbee: | don't use per-recording padding, it sucks |
| [23:42:16] | cdent: | sphery: thanks for replying |
| [23:42:19] | justinh: | jams: yeah, as highlighted by gbee's posting to the -dev list about theme breakages |
| [23:42:48] | jams: | i saw the message saying he was going to break, must have missed the acutal break it message |
| [23:42:53] | justinh: | glass-wide has already been cast into darkness |
| [23:43:05] | darkdrgn2k: | gbee: thanx |
| [23:43:21] | darkdrgn2k: | any one have problems compiling myth in debian? |
| [23:43:36] | justinh: | nobody with the right dependencies, I guess :) |
| [23:43:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | not me, but I don't use debian. ;-) (sorry!) |
| [23:44:51] | justinh: | whoah. Stephen Fry narrates Pocoyo? heh |
| [23:45:21] | cdent: | sphery: your prediction of what i wrote, but didn't transmit is correct, but since my dvb is input 1 and 2, it's that i can only see digital channels, and they are on inputs 1 and 2, not 1 and 4, and 'Watch TV' defaults to input 1, or digital channels, did this get cut off too? |
| [23:45:53] | darkdrgn2k: | what about mythdora? |
| [23:46:15] | justinh: | darkdrgn2k: if you have all the right bits it shouldn't be a problem. otherwise what about mythdora? |
| [23:46:36] | justinh: | debian-ish distros at least have apt-get build-dep mythtv :) |
| [23:46:47] | darkdrgn2k: | i did |
| [23:46:51] | justinh: | or er.. I think debian has that. I know ubuntu does |
| [23:46:52] | darkdrgn2k: | compiling taking FOREVER! |
| [23:46:59] | darkdrgn2k: | *sigh* servers me right for having a compaq flash hd |
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| [23:47:16] | Dagmar: | Cheat it |
| [23:47:46] | iamlindoro: | No such thing as a "compaq" flash HD |
| [23:47:50] | Dagmar: | Turn off atime updates (i.e., mount with noatime) and it'll put a stop to the filesytsem _writes_ that happen every time you so much as look at a file |
| [23:48:04] | Dagmar: | ...and add enough RAM that filesystem caching will take care of the rest. |
| [23:48:19] | mzb_d800: | gbee: why not use per-recording padding? |
| [23:48:19] | darkdrgn2k: | sory |
| [23:48:22] | darkdrgn2k: | compact LMAO |
| [23:48:24] | justinh: | how long is forever anyway? |
| [23:48:34] | mzb_d800: | (and what was the difference between soft and hard again?) |
| [23:48:37] | sphery: | cdent: right. Myth always tries to grab the best capture card input (=the one with the lowest ID) unless you specify, "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and Recordings" (where it would all of a sudden use input 4 for LiveTV). However, you can change it by simply specifying a key for NEXTCARD |
| [23:48:39] | gbee: | mzb_d800: causes conflicts |
| [23:48:40] | justinh: | my crappy athlon 800 box only takes a couple of hours to build myth |
| [23:49:01] | cdent: | sphery: thanks so much for the info |
| [23:49:02] | justinh: | I'm not even sure that thing has proper UDMA |
| [23:49:06] | iamlindoro: | ./configure should check for a dual core processor and fail with a kick in the nuts |
| [23:49:12] | sphery: | cdent: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/342420#342420 |
| [23:49:25] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Why? |
| [23:49:36] | gbee: | global padding is soft, it's only applied if it doesn't cause a conflict, per-recording padding is hard, it's applied when scheduling and will cause consecutive recordings to conflict |
| [23:49:42] | Dagmar: | justinh: It's probably the limp-wristed UDMA33 |
| [23:49:45] | mzb_d800: | gbee: err ... I've got multiple tuners, each set to 5 ... I rarely get conflicts |
| [23:49:50] | justinh: | I know I've always been against more OSD menu items but maybe stuff like switching tuners/inputs should have osd menu options |
| [23:49:51] | iamlindoro: | To punish those who refuse to upgrade out of the mid-eighties |
| [23:49:58] | Dagmar: | AH |
| [23:50:09] | mzb_d800: | but I'll admit I've got lost between soft & hard over time ... I think I've got both set now |
| [23:50:10] | cdent: | sphery: my next question is, my cx18 dvb input group 1, always goes to DVB and not Generic, and there's no way to change it, is this expected? |
| [23:50:16] | justinh: | iamlindoro: be honest it's only to banish clever |
| [23:50:16] | Dagmar: | Doesn't -j4 do that for them when they do it on a UP machine? |
| [23:50:17] | darkdrgn2k: | " tv_play.cpp" taking forever to compile |
| [23:50:32] | iamlindoro: | justinh, + garbagecan |
| [23:51:02] | Dagmar: | darkdrgn2k: I'm not kidding about that noatime thing. |
| [23:51:03] | Dagmar: | It'll help. |
| [23:51:12] | darkdrgn2k: | Dagmar??? |
| [23:51:15] | Dagmar: | Particularly since writes to flash media are hellishly slow compared to reads. |
| [23:51:33] | mzb_d800: | gbee: so which is soft ... I think I settled on hard being the solution for me (.au) as soft only does it "when there are no conflicts". |
| [23:51:35] | mzb_d800: | right? |
| [23:51:44] | iamlindoro: | God damn it, is it so hard to write a full sentence if you don't understand something? |
| [23:51:48] | justinh: | always wondered what possible use it is to find out what time a file was last read, for most mere mortals |
| [23:52:04] | iamlindoro: | Echidna??? |
| [23:52:12] | justinh: | unless of course you're that damn paranoid |
| [23:52:16] | Dagmar: | justinh: It's for making decisions about whether or not you can move something to slower media (i.e, a compressed filesystem) |
| [23:52:33] | Dagmar: | It's pretty much not useful for most "home users" tho |
| [23:52:43] | justinh: | ah. for admins & anal renentive types |
| [23:52:56] | justinh: | which btw aren't the same thing :) |
| [23:52:59] | darkdrgn2k: | aaa default,noatime :) |
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| [23:53:23] | darkdrgn2k: | well just fyi i nfs mounted the partiton with the source files |
| [23:53:24] | Dagmar: | justinh: THe best are |
| [23:53:35] | mzb_d800: | gbee: I also only have 5 transports available to me, so on the rare occasion that 3 tuners is not enough I plug in a USB tuner to cover |
| [23:53:48] | justinh: | heh fair point, possibly |
| [23:53:50] | Dagmar: | Admins who aren't super picky tend to wind up eyeball-deep in scaling problems. |
| [23:54:06] | mzb_d800: | managed to see 7 (iirc) consecutive recordings a couple of weeks ago ;) |
| [23:54:39] | iamlindoro: | Christ, how did Knight Rider make it to a second week? |
| [23:55:11] | justinh: | btw my wife read a bit of _that_ thread on -users tonight. you know what she said? it's open source, do something if you want something. even she gets it |
| [23:55:13] | darkdrgn2k: | iamlindoro: they recorded the show before wask week ? |
| [23:55:36] | darkdrgn2k: | how can nfs paths be spead up? |
| [23:55:38] | iamlindoro: | darkdrgn2k, airtime is valuable-- they record whole seasons of things and only air a few eps quite often |
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| [23:55:49] | Dagmar: | darkdrgn2k: Fiber-optic interconnects. |
| [23:55:49] | justinh: | iamlindoro: look at it this way 0 how long did Friends last? ;) |
| [23:55:54] | iamlindoro: | persisting in airing a piece of shit just wastes valuable at time |
| [23:56:02] | iamlindoro: | er ad |
| [23:56:15] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: That would explain why so many commercials then |
| [23:56:17] | iamlindoro: | justinh, I'm proud not to know the answer to that ;) |
| [23:56:29] | justinh: | iamlindoro: it's okay. they'll blame the loss of ad revenue on bit torrent |
| [23:56:39] | justinh: | and PVRs |
| [23:56:58] | iamlindoro: | Soon you will need USB eyeball toothpicks to watch Hulu |
| [23:57:00] | mzb_d800: | darkdrgn2k: http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/ . . . crets-d7.odp |
| [23:57:04] | justinh: | the shows they pick can't possibly suck. that'd be like.. being wrong or something |
| [23:57:21] | Dagmar: | or FOX. |
| [23:57:22] | mzb_d800: | darkdrgn2k: the full talk is available in ogg on lca2008 |
| [23:57:29] | darkdrgn2k: | are there any options when moutning nfs to speedi fup :) |
| [23:57:40] | darkdrgn2k: | aa thanx |
| [23:57:44] | mzb_d800: | darkdrgn2k: (and speex etc) |
| [23:58:37] | cdent: | hm.... how many people here have a fanless frontend that supports x264 and HDTV MPEG-2 |
| [23:58:47] | iamlindoro: | x264 is a program |
| [23:58:50] | iamlindoro: | h.264 is a codec |
| [23:59:06] | cdent: | iamlindoro: i mean h.264 |
| [23:59:08] | iamlindoro: | and simply mentioning the codec means nothing, you can play h.264 on a 386 given the right sample |
| [23:59:33] | cdent: | i will rephrase |
| [23:59:38] | cdent: | or at least attempt to |
| [23:59:41] | iamlindoro: | So make with resolutions, bitrates, encoding options, and sources if you expect a real answer |
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