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| [00:05:32] | sphery: | dashcloud: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 81777#281777 (and search the rest of the thread for "Flash 7") |
| [00:05:44] | sphery: | so, as iamlindoro said, "nope" |
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| [01:15:18] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, continuing along... you mentioned a mkvtools fix you ran on your self-generated MKVs to fix their seeking-- can you share that with me? |
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| [01:30:19] | Staticwave_Ace: | hello all, I was wondering if there's support in mythtv for shifting *all* recording schedules by a given number of minutes |
| [01:30:36] | Staticwave_Ace: | it seems my cable provider is 2 minutes or so early compared to ntp time |
| [01:32:00] | oobe: | you can make a default recording value but it will not update existing schedules |
| [01:33:01] | Staticwave_Ace: | hrm |
| [01:33:09] | Staticwave_Ace: | I was more hoping for a global offset |
| [01:33:27] | Staticwave_Ace: | if I move all my recordings, I'll have to move the ending time too |
| [01:33:30] | Staticwave_Ace: | where's this setting? |
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| [01:34:09] | oobe: | dashcloud, i put together a very nice mythfrontend recently using second hand parts on ebay it displays at 1080i for very cheap |
| [01:34:27] | oobe: | only trade off was time spent working on it |
| [01:34:41] | oobe: | extra time that is |
| [01:35:04] | Staticwave_Ace: | oobe: happen to know where that setting is off hand? |
| [01:36:13] | dashcloud: | all I need currently is something that's relatively quiet and hooks up to the TV easily- 1080i is just a bonus |
| [01:38:45] | oobe: | well i can tell you i picked up a very cheap sff pc for 70$ aud on ebay its very quiet and streams ok over 54g hdtv wont stream ok though |
| [01:39:13] | oobe: | i had to slap in a fx5200 for 30 bucks aswell |
| [01:39:39] | oobe: | Staticwave_Ace, its in setup / utitlities on your frontend |
| [01:39:53] | oobe: | i dont remember off hand |
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| [01:40:18] | oobe: | my preference is 5 mins early default and 15 mins late |
| [01:40:25] | sphery: | Staticwave_Ace: you need to specify -2 minutes start early and -2 minutes start late on all recording rules |
| [01:40:27] | oobe: | then i change this accordingly |
| [01:40:55] | oobe: | also i transcode out using cut points so it doesnt bother me recording extra garbage |
| [01:44:01] | sphery: | Staticwave_Ace: as oobe said, there's a setting, "Default 'Start Early' minutes for new recording rules" and "Default 'End Late' minutes for new recording rules" in mythfrontend settings on the page "Scheduler Options" in General Recording Priorities that will fix those rules you create in the future |
| [01:44:30] | sphery: | Hmmm. MythBOINC... And I thought I was the only one running BOINC on my Myth boxes. |
| [01:46:19] | sphery: | Staticwave_Ace: oops... That's 2 minutes start early and -2 minutes end late. Seems I should be having dinner and not trying to think right now... |
| [01:46:38] | Staticwave_Ace: | hehe |
| [01:47:03] | Staticwave_Ace: | oobe: any link on the cutting out stuff when transcoding? |
| [01:48:21] | iamlindoro: | search "removing commercials" in the myth wiki |
| [01:49:39] | Staticwave_Ace: | thanks |
| [01:49:47] | oobe: | press m your menu button on the remote the select edit recording |
| [01:49:48] | ** Staticwave_Ace manually edits all the recording schedulse ** | |
| [01:50:02] | Staticwave_Ace: | oobe: ah, you're doing it manually |
| [01:50:18] | oobe: | yeah but i use the commflags aswell |
| [01:50:32] | oobe: | i skip to the next ad break |
| [01:50:36] | oobe: | then start editing |
| [01:50:47] | oobe: | then repeat |
| [01:51:03] | oobe: | commflag isnt perfect enough to do it any other way |
| [01:51:14] | Staticwave_Ace: | yeah, that's true |
| [01:51:31] | oobe: | its handy when it does work though |
| [01:51:41] | Staticwave_Ace: | its pretty good here |
| [01:51:44] | dashcloud: | I just ignore the commflags, and edit everything in avidemux- clearly not the best option, but it works |
| [01:51:58] | oobe: | there are certain shows where i can trust it and use commflag to import the cut points |
| [01:52:04] | oobe: | but usually i do it by hand |
| [01:52:07] | sphery: | Staticwave_Ace: e to edit, z to import flag list, then manual adjustments as required |
| [01:52:18] | GreyFoxx: | iamlind: I used mkmerge. Well actually I used the mmg gui for it |
| [01:52:29] | sphery: | or, for the superbowl, e to edit, z to import flag list, i to invert cut list (to keep only commercials) :) |
| [01:52:37] | GreyFoxx: | just opened the file, set a file to save to, make sure the Cue setting is "default" and tell it to start |
| [01:52:44] | GreyFoxx: | the saved file is seekable |
| [01:52:45] | Staticwave_Ace: | sphery: now *that* sounds about right |
| [01:56:40] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, ah, so no command line option that you know of? |
| [01:57:12] | GreyFoxx: | mmg is just a gui wrapper to mkmerge |
| [01:57:18] | GreyFoxx: | err mkvmerge |
| [01:57:31] | GreyFoxx: | I just don't know offhand what it creates. lemme check |
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| [02:12:11] | oobe: | dashcloud, this is the one i ended up getting http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . 8b20b58ebb7b i nearly bought a dell sff but i read it got discontinued cause the mobo had leaky capacitors so do you research |
| [02:12:31] | oobe: | thats if you decide to go this route |
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| [02:15:46] | dashcloud: | interesting |
| [02:16:15] | dashcloud: | anyone swapped out the h263 video for h264 in the flash plugin? |
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| [03:25:10] | ozatomic: | Hey i was just wondering if there was anyway to record directly to wmv or to have it convert it after it has finished. |
| [03:26:42] | iamlindoro: | ozatomic, as WMV is just a container and not a codec, you could set a user job up, something to the extent of "ffmpeg -i infile.mpg -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.wmv" |
| [03:27:07] | iamlindoro: | although not knowing what ffmpeg requires in terms of container options for wmv, that's just a general idea of what you'd do |
| [03:27:28] | ozatomic: | ok awsome thanks |
| [03:27:44] | ozatomic: | so i jsut have to play with ffmpeg seperatly until i get the settigns i requier |
| [03:27:50] | iamlindoro: | just tested, that command line works fine |
| [03:28:37] | iamlindoro: | will copy the streams into wmv container |
| [03:28:43] | iamlindoro: | Set up as a user job like so: |
| [03:29:14] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i %DIR%/%FILE% -acodec copy -vcodec copy %DIR%/%FILE%.wmv |
| [03:29:17] | ozatomic: | am i able to give it specific options eg bitrate etc |
| [03:29:29] | iamlindoro: | not unless you do a transcode, this is a stream copy |
| [03:29:57] | iamlindoro: | puts it in wmv format-- if you want to transcode (giving up quality when you do) then you need to seek help from ffmpeg people about that |
| [03:30:25] | ozatomic: | will that still go in the user job section ? |
| [03:30:30] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [03:30:35] | ozatomic: | ok thanks |
| [03:30:46] | ozatomic: | one more thing |
| [03:30:57] | ozatomic: | there wouldn't be anyway to transcode to this straight away |
| [03:31:03] | ozatomic: | instead of doing ti afterwards? |
| [03:31:11] | iamlindoro: | You can set a user job to run after every recording if you want |
| [03:31:36] | iamlindoro: | just edit the recording rule and tick the box for your job |
| [03:32:08] | ozatomic: | kk thanks i'll give ti a try and keep looking around aswell |
| [03:32:09] | iamlindoro: | unless you mean record directly to wmv, and no. and Yuck. |
| [03:32:30] | iamlindoro: | If we *were* going to use other containers, we sure and shit wouldn't use wmv |
| [03:32:35] | iamlindoro: | er sure as shit |
| [03:32:48] | ozatomic: | hehe |
| [03:32:51] | clev: | mkv would be the next one id use |
| [03:32:54] | ozatomic: | yeah i know i don't like wmv |
| [03:33:02] | iamlindoro: | Then don't use it |
| [03:33:08] | ozatomic: | but its what my it admins want for a specific program |
| [03:33:15] | iamlindoro: | vom |
| [03:33:46] | ** iamlindoro wonders if the guy on the users list who edited his user page on the wiki will get the hint when he sees the page next ** | |
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| [03:39:44] | ozatomic: | if i use NUVEXPORT that has option to export to wmv does that go straight to wmv or still work liek a user job? |
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| [03:40:29] | iamlindoro: | still a user job |
| [03:40:41] | iamlindoro: | Stop looking, you cannot record straight to wmv. |
| [03:42:27] | iamlindoro: | Tell your IT dorks to throw away their Zunes |
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| [03:45:44] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: What hint should that be? |
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| [03:46:11] | iamlindoro: | "PS, Discussion pages are for suggesting changes, don't just edit someone's user page. :) " |
| [03:46:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm being nice tonight :) |
| [03:47:03] | iamlindoro: | I know it'll be especially tempting to him because he owns an HD-PVR and I just added a script for lossless cutting HD-PVR stuff |
| [03:47:33] | iamlindoro: | He edited another one of my scripts to say "you must chmod +x this script" |
| [03:47:40] | iamlindoro: | well no shit, fuckwit |
| [03:52:40] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: language |
| [03:53:15] | iamlindoro: | FUCK THAT |
| [03:53:18] | iamlindoro: | oops |
| [03:53:22] | iamlindoro: | ahem, fuck that |
| [03:54:50] | xris: | iamlindoro: seriously.. "family" channel here. |
| [03:55:16] | ** iamlindoro wonders when the family channel rule wne tinto effect ** | |
| [03:55:29] | iamlindoro: | er went into |
| [03:56:30] | dustybin: | my mythweb keeps on getting those blue information boxes stuck into 1 postition |
| [03:56:59] | xris: | iamlindoro: this has been a "no swear words" channel for the 6 or so years I've been hanging out here. |
| [03:57:01] | dustybin: | those blue boxes what pop up if you hover over a |
| [03:57:13] | xris: | dustybin: what version? |
| [03:57:31] | dustybin: | .21 fixes, i did a svn update about 4 days ago |
| [03:57:45] | dustybin: | actually i didnt update mythweb!! |
| [03:57:49] | dustybin: | :-) |
| [03:57:57] | xris: | might want to do that. |
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| [03:58:01] | wagnerrp: | ever seen the family learning channel? |
| [03:58:01] | dustybin: | aye |
| [03:58:10] | xris: | but I doubt there have been commits in the fixes branch |
| [03:59:11] | xris: | anyway.. it might be an issue with the javascript, or the browser. it's unfortunately not a serious enough issue that kormoc or I would try to track it down, unless more people start complaining about it. |
| [03:59:19] | xris: | have you done the usual clearing of cache/cookies/etc? |
| [03:59:54] | dustybin: | it seems to happen more on os x than windows, on firefox |
| [04:00:13] | dustybin: | ill try clearing the cache |
| [04:00:24] | GreyFoxx: | yay, the mythweb imdb script still works heh |
| [04:00:51] | hadees: | anyone know what this error means... Error: container 'mythvideo' is missing a child element named 'videos' it just started happening |
| [04:01:11] | clev: | im guessing the theme is old |
| [04:01:34] | xris: | GreyFoxx: it theoretically uses the same one mythvideo does |
| [04:01:48] | hadees: | it happens when i try to go into Video Manager |
| [04:01:51] | GreyFoxx: | I've seen people reporting it was failing for grabbing covers |
| [04:01:56] | hadees: | clev, i tried it with two different themes |
| [04:01:56] | GreyFoxx: | but it's working find via mythweb |
| [04:01:59] | GreyFoxx: | fine even |
| [04:02:05] | hadees: | Minimal and MePo |
| [04:02:09] | hadees: | both widescreen |
| [04:02:18] | xris: | GreyFoxx: broken in mythvideo? I only ever use it via mythweb |
| [04:02:36] | GreyFoxx: | People have been saying it's broken in mythvideo, but I really only do it via mythweb these days |
| [04:04:37] | xris: | btw, you get my pm the other day? |
| [04:05:01] | GreyFoxx: | YUp, and Yup still interested :) |
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| [04:08:16] | xris: | ok. I'll try to extract your info from the current server. |
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| [04:34:15] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Anduin fixed imdb.pl yesterday, IIRC |
| [04:34:32] | sphery: | (or, technically, since it's just past midnight here, the day before yesterday) |
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| [04:42:13] | ozatomic: | iamlindoro: I'm tring out the line you gave me before to convert mpg to wmv but i'm tring to use the -s option to resize it but it doesn't resize it |
| [04:42:47] | sphery: | dustybin: "blue information boxes stuck into 1 postition"? Perhaps http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17555/tr . . . gins/mythweb (only in trunk, but easy enough to put in -fixes) |
| [04:44:04] | iamlindoro: | Because you can't resize, transcode, etc. a stream copy. |
| [04:44:19] | iamlindoro: | if you want to resize, change bitrates, codecs, etc., then you need to do a real transcode |
| [04:44:46] | iamlindoro: | and you should seek help in the channel for your transcode software (in this case, ffmpeg) for that. But I would read the docs for it first. |
| [04:45:13] | ozatomic: | ok thanks |
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| [04:49:51] | ** RyeBrye was excited to finally get audio to work out of his hdmi... ** | |
| [04:50:01] | ** RyeBrye was sad when it stopped working shortly afterwards :( ** | |
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| [04:54:07] | ** sphery thinks Fox may have finally started doing it's animation properly ** | |
| [04:55:05] | iamlindoro: | outsourcing? |
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| [04:55:34] | sphery: | this season's Simpsons/King of the Hill/Family Guy/American Dad is no longer bobbing up and down (same Myth version as last season, from a 720p Fox affiliate, and on a frontend that doesn't use bob deint) |
| [04:55:56] | oobe: | iamlindoro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=938760 this is what i did to use your script i use it like every day |
| [04:56:17] | sphery: | very noticeably different in the intro to American Dad (where the horizontal lines on the front of the house used to make me motion sick) |
| [04:59:20] | RyeBrye: | Interesting. I wonder if the the difference could be in your affiliate's equipment? |
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| [05:09:09] | sphery: | RyeBrye: quite possible |
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| [05:27:55] | HaSH: | is there any cards out there that have connectors for Y/Pb/Pr? |
| [05:28:36] | iamlindoro: | The Hauppauge HD-PVR. Support for it will be included in the next release of Myth. |
| [05:30:17] | HaSH: | hmm is that the only way to go? |
| [05:30:37] | iamlindoro: | Yes. |
| [05:30:40] | HaSH: | not getting all the channels i pay for is getting on my nerves lol |
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| [05:34:26] | progress0r: | think they are mucho deniero |
| [05:34:26] | HaSH: | hmm on the hd pvr.....how would you connect it to the computer? |
| [05:35:18] | HaSH: | so it would be stb — Y/Pb/Pr --> hd pvr --???--> computer |
| [05:35:21] | iamlindoro: | They are not mucho dinero |
| [05:35:23] | iamlindoro: | USB |
| [05:35:53] | progress0r: | thats a sore subject for me at the moment. I spent US$40 on a special component to dvi adapter cable so that one of my monitors i dont use anymore could do 1080p as advertised. I was hooking it up directly to my sa 3250 hd box – nothing |
| [05:36:08] | HaSH: | usb hmm. and the dh pvr has a ir blaster? |
| [05:36:29] | iamlindoro: | yes, it has one, but it's not a DVR unto itself, it's just a USB capture card/box. |
| [05:36:34] | progress0r: | iamlindoro: how much are they? i havent seen a video card with component connx for a computer but havent looked |
| [05:36:42] | iamlindoro: | All it does is compress the signal and send it on via USB. |
| [05:37:01] | iamlindoro: | progress0r, This has nothing to do with video cards. The HD-PVR is $220. |
| [05:37:25] | HaSH: | ah ok. and with that hd pvr....it would get EVERY channel that the cablebox can? |
| [05:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Yes. |
| [05:37:45] | HaSH: | nice |
| [05:38:01] | progress0r: | iamlindoro: Hash asked if there were cards with component connx – thats what i was referring to |
| [05:38:02] | HaSH: | does going through usb lower quality at all? |
| [05:38:20] | iamlindoro: | progress0r, He was not asking about video cards. |
| [05:38:27] | HaSH: | progress0r, yea ideally id like a card.....so i could plug it in then hook the cable box up via the card |
| [05:38:48] | HaSH: | well i want a way to hook the cable box via Y/Pb/Pr to my puter |
| [05:38:57] | progress0r: | Hash im in the same situation |
| [05:38:59] | HaSH: | cuz wouldnt that be the highest quality way to go? |
| [05:39:11] | iamlindoro: | HaSH, As with all digital video, when it in compressed into a usable stream, there is some quality loss. It is nothing major, however. |
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| [05:39:34] | iamlindoro: | I suggest that you both Google "Hauppauge Hd-PVR" |
| [05:39:45] | HaSH: | im looking at it on there homepage |
| [05:39:54] | iamlindoro: | As all of your questions owuld be easily answered that way |
| [05:40:57] | progress0r: | just stay away from kworld, man ive never been able to get that usb box to work in linux |
| [05:41:06] | progress0r: | or mac |
| [05:41:41] | iamlindoro: | KWorld makes multiple great cards. A device not having support in linux is no reason for avoiding the manufacturer. |
| [05:41:50] | progress0r: | compiling qt-4 – takin freakin forever |
| [05:41:58] | iamlindoro: | The 110, 115, and 120s are all fantastic cards for Myth. |
| [05:42:26] | progress0r: | i was referring to the 310u usb external |
| [05:42:39] | iamlindoro: | So? Not a reason to avoid a manufacturer in total. |
| [05:42:40] | progress0r: | which has countless gripes on the net |
| [05:42:53] | iamlindoro: | KWorld is one of the *better* digital tuner choices for Myth. |
| [05:43:04] | progress0r: | iamlindoro: im shocked at that |
| [05:43:13] | iamlindoro: | I'm not shocked that you're shocked. |
| [05:43:36] | progress0r: | iamlindoro: good for you, sure are argumentative |
| [05:44:02] | iamlindoro: | I try to save people for the clueless stating their opinions as fact. |
| [05:44:08] | iamlindoro: | er from the |
| [05:44:43] | progress0r: | how is it that ive been in this channel for 2 days now and you automatically assume im clueless? thats funny. |
| [05:44:46] | iamlindoro: | Just because you couldn't get a single device from a manufacturer working is a *bad* reason to run your mouth off in front of people who know what they're talking about. As people, especially here, will call you on it every time. |
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| [05:44:59] | iamlindoro: | You *words* make you seem clueless, not the duration of idling here. |
| [05:45:41] | progress0r: | im not the only one who couldnt get the device to work and have spent hours troubleshooting the problem. |
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| [05:45:52] | iamlindoro: | You are missing the point. |
| [05:46:08] | progress0r: | YOU are being needessly argumentative |
| [05:46:14] | iamlindoro: | One device not working is no excuse for blabbing about avoiding an entire manufacturer, especially when you are *wrong* in that recommendation. |
| [05:46:36] | progress0r: | I CORRECTED my statement for the 310U external usb device – Jesus christ |
| [05:46:41] | progress0r: | let it go |
| [05:47:03] | iamlindoro: | Feel free to stop talking and I will. |
| [05:48:36] | RyeBrye: | Do some systems really take hours to compile a kernel? My new q9550 box seems to build and package a clean kernel in about 30 minutes or so |
| [05:48:51] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, There be some *old* systems out there :) |
| [05:48:57] | iamlindoro: | just ask clever ;) |
| [05:49:15] | RyeBrye: | yeah, I bet on a p3 it would take a long time |
| [05:49:29] | iamlindoro: | And that's his *fast* machine |
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| [06:03:56] | iamlindoro: | Son of a... |
| [06:04:12] | Dagmar: | I have a P200 laptop here somewhere. |
| [06:04:14] | iamlindoro: | My cable co switched PID numbers to non standard ones.. |
| [06:04:22] | iamlindoro: | breaking mythtranscode :O |
| [06:04:23] | Dagmar: | Suffice to say I build the kernel on OTHER machines. |
| [06:04:48] | Dagmar: | *squeak* new patch |
| [06:05:04] | Dagmar: | Jesus this will be great timing |
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| [06:06:11] | tjcarter: | Does anybody have a reasonable recommendation for affordable parts to put 3.5 drives in 5.25 bays? Preferably more than one, with a nice big fan to move air around the drives? |
| [06:06:21] | Dagmar: | Oh man that's an easy one |
| [06:06:33] | Dagmar: | For one thing, you'll need two different size adapters. |
| [06:06:48] | tjcarter: | Most of the options I'm looking at cost more than my case ;) |
| [06:06:50] | Dagmar: | Actually, just one (nevermind, thought you were talking about notebooks for aminute there) |
| [06:06:58] | Dagmar: | Jesus where are you looking at? |
| [06:07:05] | Dagmar: | They should be like $25 or less |
| [06:07:18] | Dagmar: | You can get ones with a keylock and made to hotswap for $25–35 |
| [06:07:21] | tjcarter: | I'm looking at 4-in-3 type adapters |
| [06:07:28] | Dagmar: | 4-in-3? |
| [06:07:47] | tjcarter: | yeah, stuff reasonably similar to http://www.tekram.com/product2/product_detail.asp?pid=60 |
| [06:08:09] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [06:08:10] | Dagmar: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE |
| [06:08:24] | tjcarter: | I have the new CM Stacke^WCenturion case with 9 5.25 bays =D |
| [06:08:34] | Dagmar: | OKay, those are multi-bay enclosures which aren't going to work in any "common" ATX case |
| [06:08:49] | tjcarter: | This isn't a common case =D |
| [06:08:55] | Dagmar: | Click that URL I posted and just scroll down through it |
| [06:09:06] | Dagmar: | You'll see _several_ of what you want and you should be able to re-aim the search from there. |
| [06:09:44] | Dagmar: | The stuff I deal with just fits in "any old" 5.25 bay |
| [06:10:02] | tjcarter: | I suppose this will solve the airflow problem: http://www.peteredge.orconhosting.net.nz/casefan.html |
| [06:10:05] | Dagmar: | Stuff like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817122109 is just pretty common |
| [06:10:19] | Dagmar: | That dude needs help |
| [06:11:17] | Dagmar: | There's literally dozens of models of drive bays like what you're looking for |
| [06:11:27] | clev: | tjcarter: old stuff:P |
| [06:12:20] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: I may go with that for the price, but I'd really prefer 2–3 of those with a big slow fan sucking air past several drives |
| [06:12:41] | tjcarter: | There's an IcyDock thing that someone suggested wasn't very good, but I don't recall who said so or why |
| [06:12:57] | Dagmar: | Look for a) things made of mainly aluminum |
| [06:13:11] | Dagmar: | and b) things which match your case |
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| [06:13:18] | Dagmar: | You can basically order fans to replace what they come with later |
| [06:13:29] | Dagmar: | Understand that exterior-facing fans will NEVER be very quiet |
| [06:13:47] | Dagmar: | The best you can do is replace them with lower speed ones which are hopefully more reliable |
| [06:16:15] | Dagmar: | Honestly you don't need fans as much as the aluminum _really_ helps |
| [06:16:39] | HaSH: | hmm is there anywhere that outlines the status of .22? or when .22 is aimed at being released |
| [06:16:53] | Dagmar: | "When it's ready" |
| [06:16:58] | Dagmar: | Basically, there's no point in chasing it. |
| [06:17:05] | Dagmar: | Just keep pulling 0.21-fixes until it happens |
| [06:17:22] | HaSH: | ic ic |
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| [06:19:58] | tjcarter: | I want a fan inside the thing, behind the drive caddies |
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| [06:32:44] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: someone (justinh?) said this wasn't so great: http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2313 |
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| [06:33:06] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: it's the kind of thing I was looking at though |
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| [07:11:59] | wagnerrp: | hotswap cages are nice, but dont expect them to be quiet |
| [07:12:51] | wagnerrp: | youre forcing high airflow through a constricted area |
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| [07:22:38] | nayfly: | Hey guys. I have mythbuntu installed and I want to configure it to allow multiple frontends. At the moment, it only allows itself (localhost) to access the backend. How do I configure mythtv to enable multiple frontends? :) |
| [07:23:00] | kormoc: | nayfly, it's covered in the docs |
| [07:23:37] | wagnerrp: | in brief, open up mythtv-setup, first item, first page, change those IPs to network IPs |
| [07:23:54] | wagnerrp: | open up mysql, grant access to mythconverg for your network, rather than just localhost |
| [07:23:59] | nayfly: | and there won't be any issues with remote mysql stuff? |
| [07:24:08] | nayfly: | i see |
| [07:24:19] | wagnerrp: | possible edit your mysql config to bind to your network interface, instead of just localhost |
| [07:24:38] | nayfly: | I hate mysql :( |
| [07:24:40] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if the default mythbuntu install of mysql has network access |
| [07:24:54] | wagnerrp: | oh, but mysql loves you! |
| [07:24:58] | nayfly: | hehe |
| [07:25:11] | nayfly: | thanks a lot wagnerrp! I'll try it out! |
| [07:25:23] | wagnerrp: | theres more detailed instructions on the wiki |
| [07:25:34] | nayfly: | I was looking, but couldn't find anything |
| [07:25:39] | nayfly: | I'll look again I suppose |
| [07:25:43] | wagnerrp: | just follow the setup guide |
| [07:26:01] | nayfly: | k :) |
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| [07:49:22] | justinh: | mythboinc – a new plugin for bouncing networked backends? :P |
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| [07:54:53] | wagnerrp: | seriously? someone decided they needed to run BOINC on their myth systems, and that they needed to be able to monitor/control it from the TV? |
| [07:56:40] | justinh: | yeah. quite seriously |
| [07:57:04] | wagnerrp: | whatever floats your boat, i guess |
| [07:57:33] | justinh: | quick – announce it on slashdot – we'll be inundated with new users |
| [07:58:00] | jduggan: | BOINC? |
| [07:58:18] | wagnerrp: | Berkeley grid computer frontend |
| [07:58:36] | wagnerrp: | ever heard of seti@home? |
| [07:58:42] | justinh: | costing the Earth one idle cycle at a time |
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| [08:06:58] | tjcarter: | does anybody here use a UDMA CF card as a boot device for Myth? |
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| [08:09:13] | pat_: | tjcarter: yeah |
| [08:09:33] | pat_: | tjcarter: why? |
| [08:09:43] | tjcarter: | pat_: I'm considering it myself.. |
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| [08:10:08] | tjcarter: | pat_: I figure KnoppMyth will live QUITE happily in 4 GB since it ships on a CD ;) |
| [08:10:26] | pat_: | tjcarter: yeah, just install like you would a hard drive system |
| [08:10:37] | pat_: | then use aufs to make the root filesystem read only |
| [08:10:39] | pat_: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/aufsRootFileSystemOnUsbFlash |
| [08:10:54] | pat_: | then you can yank power to the frontend whenever you want |
| [08:11:12] | pat_: | which is why I do it (not worried about wearing out the flash drive) |
| [08:11:15] | tjcarter: | I'm wondering if you have good/bad experience with particular hardware |
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| [08:11:44] | tjcarter: | oh, actually, this is for my BE, mainly to cut startup times |
| [08:11:46] | pat_: | I bought an ide-cf adapter off ebay for next to nothing and put a 2g card in it and installed the mythbuntu frontend on it |
| [08:11:47] | tjcarter: | hence the UDMA |
| [08:12:00] | pat_: | the generic cheap one I got is udma |
| [08:12:09] | tjcarter: | cool |
| [08:12:22] | tjcarter: | I'm looking at the Transcend 300x 4GB |
| [08:12:27] | tjcarter: | it's like $40 though |
| [08:12:36] | pat_: | shrug |
| [08:12:56] | pat_: | my backend does other stuff, so it stays on in the rack downstairs |
| [08:14:03] | tjcarter: | Yeah, mine won't, but if this setup works nicely, I'll be doing it again for a fileserver |
| [08:14:54] | tjcarter: | Just picked up a CM Stacke^WCenturion with 9 bays and I'm finally gonna junk this piece of shit Antec Sonata II |
| [08:15:12] | mchou: | haha |
| [08:15:44] | tjcarter: | Which has such wonderful thermal characteristics that if I don't keep my apartment about 70ËšF or less, the damned thing shuts down for thermal reasons. |
| [08:15:47] | tank-man: | piece of shit sonata ? |
| [08:15:56] | tjcarter: | tank-man: Sonata II |
| [08:16:03] | tank-man: | whys wrong with that case? |
| [08:16:05] | tjcarter: | the Sonata was a nice case. |
| [08:16:06] | tank-man: | whats |
| [08:16:25] | pat_: | 20 degrees c? |
| [08:16:37] | pat_: | man nothing I own would ever run if I needed to keep the temp below that |
| [08:16:38] | mchou: | 70 F is quite warm indoors |
| [08:16:49] | tjcarter: | tank-man: It rattles, thermal characteristics result in system going into thermal shutdown using stock cooling components and two 160 GB hard drives... |
| [08:17:17] | tank-man: | i have the same case and i like it |
| [08:17:21] | tjcarter: | Also I hate case doors. |
| [08:17:25] | tjcarter: | ;) |
| [08:17:37] | tjcarter: | the CPU duct is next to useless |
| [08:17:46] | tjcarter: | and as I said, the case rattles |
| [08:17:55] | tjcarter: | oh, and the feet came unglued within 30 days. |
| [08:18:08] | tjcarter: | the PSU developed a short after about 4 months |
| [08:18:36] | tjcarter: | basically, this was the worst Antec product I've ever owned. |
| [08:18:52] | mchou: | PSU developed a hort?? |
| [08:18:57] | mchou: | short* |
| [08:19:13] | tjcarter: | The replacement is the Centurion for people who were pissed off at CM for blingifying th Stacker ;) |
| [08:19:25] | tjcarter: | OMG TEH BLOO!! |
| [08:19:28] | mchou: | you figure out where the short was in the PSU? |
| [08:20:17] | tjcarter: | mchou: yeah, the input thankfully |
| [08:20:32] | tjcarter: | mchou: it took out the breaker when the main switch was turned on |
| [08:20:41] | mchou: | wow |
| [08:20:47] | mchou: | nice |
| [08:20:59] | tjcarter: | I'm so not impressed with this case |
| [08:21:12] | tjcarter: | Also, the pins for USB and whatnot? |
| [08:21:19] | tjcarter: | Don't fit my ASUS motherboard. |
| [08:21:27] | tjcarter: | they fall right off. |
| [08:21:46] | mchou: | wow |
| [08:21:51] | mchou: | that makes no sense |
| [08:22:02] | tjcarter: | I had to pull out the switch pins and crimp them tighter, but didn't bother for the USB and audio |
| [08:22:11] | mchou: | I always thought the sonata was fugly |
| [08:22:30] | tjcarter: | Oh, and let's not forget the two stupid blue LED idiot lights. |
| [08:22:35] | mchou: | that was why I stayed away from it |
| [08:22:51] | tjcarter: | the stupid blue idiot lights? =) |
| [08:23:12] | mchou: | no, fugly |
| [08:23:12] | sid3windr: | MAIN SWITCH TURN ON |
| [08:23:33] | tank-man: | WHAT BASE? |
| [08:25:19] | pat_: | all of them? |
| [08:28:25] | tjcarter: | mchou: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119152 |
| [08:28:34] | tjcarter: | mchou: that is what I am using now. |
| [08:28:58] | tjcarter: | Thermal characteristics? Very big, lots of 120mm fan mountings. Looks "slightly shotgunned" |
| [08:29:12] | tjcarter: | PSU in bottom |
| [08:30:10] | tjcarter: | flaw: internal 4 to 3 adapter is lame and should be thrown away, rubber HD mounting grommets or not. |
| [08:30:37] | tjcarter: | Using the Silverstone one instead |
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| [08:41:03] | piksi: | hi, does anyone know if the mantis driver will be included in the vanilla kernel some day or if it already is part of the kernel? |
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| [08:41:43] | piksi: | all that i've been able to google reveals this "repo": http://jusst.de/hg/mantis and instructions on how to compile it |
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| [08:44:32] | laga_: | piksi: AFAIK, it's using the multiproto API which will never be merged into mainline |
| [08:44:46] | laga_: | piksi: the new kid on the block is the S2 api. drivers are being developed for that |
| [08:46:30] | piksi: | oh ok, good to know. i'm just annoyed that the only dvb-c card i could find that would fit pci-x slot was one that didn't even have drivers in 2.6.26 |
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| [09:17:53] | justinh: | oh noes! teh shock! a card so new it no have linxy driver! |
| [09:18:57] | justinh: | I think only about 2 or 3 pci-x tuner cards are supported in linux. If that |
| [09:22:08] | sid3windr: | pci-x or pcie? |
| [09:22:17] | justinh: | whatever |
| [09:22:26] | justinh: | I care not for this new-fangled stuff |
| [09:22:55] | justinh: | doesn't matter what it's called – not many motherboards come with more than 3 slots anyway |
| [09:23:52] | justinh: | come to think about it – isn't it taking an awful long time for plain old PCI to go away? |
| [09:23:59] | justinh: | I wonder why... |
| [09:25:48] | sid3windr: | because there are no useful cards on !pci ;/ |
| [09:25:55] | sid3windr: | I only have 1 pci slot in my desktop |
| [09:26:01] | sid3windr: | and it's filled with a wintv pci ;) |
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| [09:33:14] | justinh: | damn wiki. somebody linked to a site hosting an ancient version of projectgayfoo |
| [09:33:33] | laga_: | huh |
| [09:34:36] | justinh: | remember, the page on mythtvtalk.com ? |
| [09:34:50] | justinh: | I'd be amazed if it still works at all |
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| [09:37:36] | justinh: | so, to stop the spread of such out of date shite I suppose somebody is gonna have to host the fucking thing again |
| [09:38:24] | laga_: | coume? |
| [09:38:24] | laga_: | ;) |
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| [10:31:58] | justinh: | ffs this mediawiki thing is crap |
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| [10:32:23] | justinh: | upload a new version of an image & if its size is different it keeps the dimensions of the old version |
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| [11:18:35] | justinh: | oh FFS.. rror: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] |
| [11:18:35] | justinh: | 11:56 -!- You're now known as justinh |
| [11:18:45] | justinh: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/broadcasting/a132 . . . hopping.html |
| [11:18:58] | justinh: | ofcom may FOAD |
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| [12:44:43] | justinh: | arghhh how come running mythfrontend over vnc the images are no longer transparent? |
| [12:54:16] | Sulx: | mythfrontend through vnc?...sick... |
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| [12:55:03] | toad_: | i'm fairly sure i've found a transcoder bug :( |
| [12:55:20] | justinh: | well, mythfrontend in freenx is refusing to be screencapped |
| [12:55:33] | justinh: | any screenshot I take in nx is coming out blank |
| [12:56:05] | toad_: | shows recorded from BBC3, starting 5 minutes before the channel starts up so starting with the MHEG still frame, have audio if not transcoded, and lose all audio if transcoded |
| [12:56:41] | justinh: | toad_: so don't transcode it then :) |
| [12:56:46] | toad_: | :| |
| [12:57:03] | justinh: | the problem will be transcode is looking for a valid video PID |
| [12:57:10] | toad_: | is it possible to tell myth not to transcode stuff starting with the channel startup? |
| [12:57:22] | toad_: | well presumably it finds a video PID since it has video |
| [12:57:23] | justinh: | and there won't be a valid video PID if the channel isn't yet on air |
| [12:57:44] | toad_: | it has video, but not audio |
| [12:57:53] | justinh: | you'll be hard pressed to find anybody with sympathy for your plight |
| [12:58:29] | toad_: | why? because all known devs have 5TB storage and don't bother to transcode? :| |
| [12:58:57] | justinh: | something like that |
| [12:59:00] | toad_: | is there any point in trying to get a small before and after sample? |
| [12:59:16] | justinh: | there's no need for an 'after' sample |
| [12:59:32] | toad_: | right, cos you can transcode it yourself... |
| [13:00:01] | justinh: | have you tried putting the file through ffmpeg -i $inputfile -vcodec copy -acodec copy $outfile first? |
| [13:00:01] | toad_: | so i should download the nuv, chop the first 100MB, and post it somewhere, then file a bug? |
| [13:00:14] | toad_: | no, i will try that |
| [13:00:17] | toad_: | from the nuv? |
| [13:00:20] | justinh: | no |
| [13:00:24] | justinh: | from the original file |
| [13:00:42] | toad_: | ah yeah it's an mpeg right now isn't it? |
| [13:00:44] | justinh: | by not keeping the original file you're screwing up your proof |
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| [13:01:28] | justinh: | anyway how much storage do you have? |
| [13:01:52] | toad_: | for myth? or in general? |
| [13:01:55] | justinh: | I only have a 500GB drive for my recordings. it's more than enough |
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| [13:02:05] | justinh: | I keep nothing |
| [13:02:07] | toad_: | depends how much timeshifting you need |
| [13:02:33] | ** mzb_d800 thanks the Gods of the Ether ** | |
| [13:03:09] | toad_: | and yes we delete stuff when we've watched it |
| [13:03:37] | justinh: | so why not just save yourself a major pain in the nuts & put a decent size HDD in there? |
| [13:04:00] | mzb_d800: | and/or set auto-expire by default? |
| [13:04:24] | toad_: | we do auto-expire, but then it deletes stuff we don't want it to delete |
| [13:04:48] | mzb_d800: | iow, you don't ;) |
| [13:05:22] | mzb_d800: | and as justinh said, you need larger hard drive(s) to suit your needs (in that case) |
| [13:05:34] | toad_: | at 2.7GB/hr, 1TB would be 370 hours... |
| [13:05:48] | justinh: | if that's not enough... |
| [13:05:50] | toad_: | i have 2TB but i prefer to mirror it since disks have repeatedly failed... |
| [13:05:57] | ** toad_ wonders what we need... ** | |
| [13:06:32] | toad_: | hmmm, maybe less than that |
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| [13:06:53] | justinh: | the majority of the time my 500GB HDD is less than 80% full |
| [13:06:54] | mzb_d800: | HD I assume? |
| [13:07:01] | justinh: | and we record a lot of telly |
| [13:07:16] | toad_: | well, we have 600GB used of 700ish now, *with* transcoding |
| [13:07:51] | justinh: | jesus |
| [13:08:13] | justinh: | one thing I do is have stuff set to keep only X episodes of a show at a time |
| [13:08:27] | justinh: | if we haven't watched it by the time a new episodes comes on, TOUGH |
| [13:08:57] | justinh: | it's only telly FFS. be harsh :) |
| [13:09:05] | mzb_d800: | I'm pretty slack, I've got ~1150 recordings on 1.7TB with about 300GB free, 150GB set to auto-expire... gradually working through it and transcoding. |
| [13:09:50] | toad_: | hmmm |
| [13:09:52] | mzb_d800: | justinh: yeah, but with my music video scripting (etc), we use ours for all sorts of things |
| [13:10:05] | mzb_d800: | ~120GB of uncompressed music, iirc |
| [13:10:10] | toad_: | back to the bug... |
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| [13:10:30] | toad_: | interestingly, mplayer doesn't give audio either |
| [13:10:39] | toad_: | when recording the non-transcoded mpeg |
| [13:10:55] | justinh: | hardly surprising |
| [13:11:07] | justinh: | what about ffmpeg -i $thefilename ? |
| [13:11:18] | justinh: | it should report the streams it finds |
| [13:11:43] | ** justinh wonders wtf is on bbc3 when it first comes on air anyway ** | |
| [13:11:47] | toad_: | hmmm |
| [13:11:52] | toad_: | Doctor Who :) |
| [13:12:07] | toad_: | well not recently, but that was the one we wanted which lost its sound |
| [13:12:12] | toad_: | anyway, what am i looking for? |
| [13:12:18] | toad_: | in the output |
| [13:12:51] | toad_: | I think I could probably solve this by recording 4 minutes early instead of 5 minutes early... |
| [13:13:01] | mzb_d800: | audio format? |
| [13:13:10] | toad_: | Input #0, mpegts, from '1223229300': |
| [13:13:10] | toad_: | Duration: 01:01:08.24, start: 78456.193222, bitrate: 5662 kb/s |
| [13:13:18] | toad_: | is that just video? |
| [13:14:12] | mzb_d800: | bitrate sounds a bit high for audio, don't you reckon? ;) |
| [13:14:21] | toad_: | :) |
| [13:14:28] | toad_: | the mpegts is *just* video? ok |
| [13:14:56] | mzb_d800: | ts = transport stream |
| [13:14:57] | toad_: | what does it want for the output filename? something.avi? |
| [13:15:44] | justinh: | toad_: pastebin the output of that ffmpeg command |
| [13:15:53] | toad_: | doing, 1sec |
| [13:16:37] | toad_: | http://amphibian.dyndns.org/mythtemp.txt |
| [13:17:11] | justinh: | well it's seeing the right streams by the look of it |
| [13:17:19] | toad_: | hmmm |
| [13:17:32] | justinh: | btw it wouldn't end up an avi file anyway |
| [13:17:49] | justinh: | vcodec copy & acodec copy mean use the original stream format |
| [13:17:58] | toad_: | yeah but if i didn't give a filename it grumbled |
| [13:18:38] | justinh: | so run the command again,this time call the output file something.mpg & then try the output file in mplayer |
| [13:19:29] | toad_: | in progress... |
| [13:20:02] | justinh: | the bug is probably fixable but ther won't be a very high priority attached to it |
| [13:20:15] | justinh: | and if it goes unreported, I can guarantee it won't get fixed :) |
| [13:20:27] | toad_: | okay, well, i'd like to report it anyway ... and i'll reduce the minutes-prev to 3 |
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| [13:21:26] | toad_: | okay the avi is playable with sound |
| [13:21:46] | toad_: | should i keep the file and manually start myth transcoding to verify that the transcoding bug is still present? |
| [13:21:59] | toad_: | the recordings that lost audio were about a month ago, i may have updated myth since then |
| [13:22:17] | justinh: | I give up |
| [13:22:19] | toad_: | or can i do a transcode from the command line? just by specifying a different vcodec? |
| [13:23:52] | toad_: | there is no reason not to tell myth to transcode it now... since I have the file... |
| [13:25:18] | toad_: | 2008-10–07 14:24:47.372 JobQueue: Transcode Errored: Freaky Eaters "Addicted to Crisps": High Quality (exit status 0, job status was "Running") |
| [13:25:22] | toad_: | transcode crashed |
| [13:26:06] | ** toad_ changes the transcode profile, i think HQ means don't transcode... ** | |
| [13:26:16] | justinh: | roflmao. Addicted to crisps |
| [13:26:24] | toad_: | yeah it's just for testing |
| [13:26:32] | toad_: | it's what happened to be on BBC3 at startup |
| [13:27:13] | justinh: | sometimes I'm inclined to agree with the folks who say bbc3 should be axed |
| [13:27:15] | toad_: | argh, mythtranscode actually segfaulted in libmp3lame :< |
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| [13:28:50] | toad_: | hmmm how do i change the transcode type on a single-shot recording? |
| [13:30:14] | toad_: | well... the good news is the segfault is repeatable :| |
| [13:30:24] | toad_: | so it's probably not a hardware problem |
| [13:31:09] | toad_: | I get backend segfaults sometimes too, which are really wierd and might be a hardware problem, although i've replaced everything except the motherboard since they started |
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| [13:32:22] | toad_: | High Quality is in fact supposed to be transcoded to 2200 MPEG-4 ... hmmm |
| [13:32:48] | ** toad_ wonders if mythtranscode segfaulting explains why his recordings use so much disk space ... probably ** | |
| [13:33:17] | ** toad_ further wonders if segfaulting could be caused by library incompatibilities, i.e. packaging problems? this is the debian-multimedia package... ** | |
| [13:34:14] | mzb_d800: | toad_: the only time I end up with recordings that (eventually) miss audio is when the recording has (reception?) errors and I attempt a lossless transode. I find transcoding to mpeg4 to be the easiest solution. |
| [13:34:39] | mzb_d800: | (audio missing after the error(s)) |
| [13:35:13] | mzb_d800: | try building from 0.21-fixes |
| [13:36:03] | toad_: | yay more maintenance overhead ... but maybe it's worth it ... |
| [13:36:30] | toad_: | within the branch there won't be backwards incompatible changes? |
| [13:36:38] | toad_: | so I could go back to the packages? |
| [13:37:32] | mzb_d800: | depends ... I went to source so long ago I don't recall the difference |
| [13:37:44] | toad_: | how often would i need to manually update? |
| [13:37:51] | mzb_d800: | I just remember not being able to rely on any package provider |
| [13:38:03] | mzb_d800: | update when you feel like it ;) |
| [13:38:33] | toad_: | :) |
| [13:38:34] | mzb_d800: | script it and make it a cron job if you feel brave, I guess |
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| [13:38:39] | toad_: | lol |
| [13:39:25] | toad_: | anything in particular to worry about when switching from debian? config might be different? |
| [13:39:46] | mzb_d800: | I use debian + mythtv-0.21-fixes |
| [13:40:03] | mzb_d800: | (although one of the FE's is ubuntu) |
| [13:40:14] | toad_: | yeah I mean it's configured in the debian package etc |
| [13:40:23] | toad_: | from source might need some tweaking to make it compatible? |
| [13:40:48] | mzb_d800: | make backups of the db and re-import? |
| [13:42:55] | mzb_d800: | or avoid import stage and see if the source-build upgrades everything smoothly (it should do) |
| [13:45:19] | toad_: | ok... can keep the init script too... |
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| [13:46:07] | justinh: | 2.2mbit/sec mpeg4.. probably not much of a space saving on UK DVB_T |
| [13:46:21] | justinh: | on some channels it'd actually result in MORE space being eaten |
| [13:46:29] | justinh: | like a lot more |
| [13:46:39] | toad_: | the docs say 2.2 = 1GB/hour |
| [13:46:42] | justinh: | itv4 et al are like < 1mbit |
| [13:46:52] | toad_: | and most DVB are 2.7GB/hour |
| [13:46:55] | toad_: | is that wrong? |
| [13:47:02] | justinh: | it's bollocks |
| [13:47:13] | justinh: | people quote 'typical' figures |
| [13:47:20] | justinh: | but it varies according to the channel |
| [13:47:32] | justinh: | BBC channels use the highest bitrates |
| [13:47:44] | justinh: | Dr Who on BBC1 can be 3GB/hour |
| [13:48:05] | justinh: | ITV4, Fiver, ITV3 & so on.. much, much less |
| [13:48:06] | toad_: | iirc for most stuff we use 1600 |
| [13:48:30] | justinh: | still not much of a saving IMHO, but it's your funeral |
| [13:48:34] | toad_: | also it's VBR, presumably DVB for a single channel is a fixed bandwidth |
| [13:48:41] | toad_: | we get TNGs down to 500MB or so |
| [13:48:42] | justinh: | nope |
| [13:48:48] | toad_: | doctor who is well under a gig |
| [13:49:14] | toad_: | no? they dynamically allocate bandwidth to channels within a mux? woah |
| [13:49:18] | justinh: | I transcoded the gadget show to about 500MB once. it looked awful so I've never done it again |
| [13:49:52] | toad_: | are there known problems with amd64? that's another possible explanation for segfaults... |
| [13:50:06] | justinh: | no comment |
| [13:50:21] | justinh: | I heard there's FA benefit from running 64 bit stuff so I don't |
| [13:50:38] | toad_: | on a server there is benefit |
| [13:50:45] | justinh: | not worth the hassle for the small performance boost |
| [13:50:49] | toad_: | but it's not a dedicated myth server |
| [13:51:03] | toad_: | on a desktop the compatibility issues are a big hassle yeah |
| [13:51:12] | justinh: | a home bsaed myth system prolly isn't what people would refer to as a 'server' either |
| [13:51:24] | toad_: | well it does other stuff too |
| [13:51:35] | justinh: | nor would much based at home |
| [13:51:50] | toad_: | and specs are comparable to a low end dedicated server – i've hired stuff from bytemark with way less horsepower |
| [13:51:59] | justinh: | I take it as meaning a box kept very busy with lots going on the whole time |
| [13:52:08] | toad_: | agreed, getting good internet connectivity at home is hard |
| [13:52:34] | toad_: | lots of servers don't match that description |
| [13:52:57] | justinh: | a box with a HDD == server |
| [13:53:13] | toad_: | only if it runs 24x7 |
| [13:53:13] | mzb_d800: | (and nic;) |
| [13:54:07] | justinh: | anyway, from what I've heard from people I trust is that 32 bits vs 64 bits isn't much of a difference in real terms to people who don't give a damn about 0.2% or whatever |
| [13:54:25] | toad_: | i've heard higher figures, but i imagine it depends on your application |
| [13:54:28] | laga_: | so my backend isn't a server because it's not running 24/7? ;) |
| [13:55:01] | toad_: | anyway, it would be *way* more effort to switch the whole system to 32-bit than to keep it running in 64 :) |
| [13:55:09] | mzb_d800: | I find more like 15–20% for most of the things I've tried ... but then I'm not in your circle of trust ;) |
| [13:55:20] | toad_: | anyone had any bizarre problems with mythbackend on 64-bit? |
| [13:55:21] | justinh: | hell if a 800 mhz athlon can happily serve 3 frontends at the same time, there's no real need for many horseys in a backend |
| [13:55:26] | toad_: | mzb_d800: that's what i hear |
| [13:55:56] | justinh: | 15–20%.. stil not enough of a boost in terms of the instability & hassle it can introduce |
| [13:56:07] | toad_: | it introduces instability? |
| [13:56:13] | mzb_d800: | bull |
| [13:56:23] | justinh: | maybe not instablity but hassle |
| [13:56:24] | toad_: | it introduces severe compatibility problems, that much i can vouch for |
| [13:56:35] | mzb_d800: | rubbish |
| [13:56:46] | toad_: | it's much better now than it used to be, sure |
| [13:56:49] | justinh: | well, be that as it may. I can't be arsed with it |
| [13:57:06] | justinh: | and it's still not as easy as just pluggin in 32 bits & going |
| [13:57:07] | toad_: | well, if there are any known issues with it ... i'd like to hear about them :) |
| [13:57:47] | justinh: | for the amount of time 64 bit computing has been available you'd hope that the state of affairs was better by now |
| [13:58:25] | mzb_d800: | I've compared three different AMD CPU's (Sempron 64bit, Venice 3200+ and X2 3800+) and evaluated the difference between 32 + 64 on eacg |
| [13:58:27] | toad_: | if everything you run is open source, 64-bit will work fine out of the box |
| [13:58:27] | mzb_d800: | each |
| [13:58:54] | toad_: | it took a while for OOo to get ported and stable, but now it is afaik |
| [13:58:58] | mzb_d800: | the only issue I had was running 64bit on xen (which, iirc was an iptables issue) |
| [13:59:18] | mzb_d800: | none of that applies now ... and was a xen/iptables issue |
| [13:59:35] | mzb_d800: | running OO on a server? hmm |
| [13:59:47] | toad_: | no i was talking about in general |
| [14:00:08] | justinh: | maybe it's a lot better these days now more stuff is available on 64 bit & it doesn't have to be mixed with 32 bit apps |
| [14:00:10] | toad_: | if you need to run commercial games etc, then you may have problems |
| [14:00:32] | toad_: | so my desktop is 32-bit |
| [14:00:57] | laga_: | you can still run chroots ;) |
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| [14:02:15] | toad_: | how long does a checkout usually take? |
| [14:02:35] | mzb_d800: | justinh: it's not that everything is 64bit now, but many of the probem apps now usually work with either an installer that sets up a 32bit chroot, or they have better compatibility with 32bit libs in a 64bit userland |
| [14:02:39] | mzb_d800: | (afaict) |
| [14:02:39] | justinh: | how long is a piece of internet string? |
| [14:03:00] | ** justinh whacks vncserver ** | |
| [14:03:10] | ** justinh whacks nxserver even harder ** | |
| [14:03:16] | mzb_d800: | is that wet or dry string? |
| [14:03:16] | toad_: | I mean is there any point going and doing some work while it finishes the checkout? |
| [14:03:40] | justinh: | toad_: don't check out /themes. they're all shit anyway |
| [14:04:21] | toad_: | --exclude themes/ ?? |
| [14:05:29] | mzb_d800: | Retro keeps me going |
| [14:06:19] | justinh: | why has nobody done a 16:9 version of retro anyway? |
| [14:07:10] | mzb_d800: | because there seem to be some 16:9 "theme developers" who refuse to make 4:3 versions of their work ? ;P |
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| [14:07:51] | justinh: | boo hoo. I won't continue to make things I'll never use |
| [14:08:15] | mzb_d800: | doesn't worry me in the slightest |
| [14:08:27] | mzb_d800: | each to their own |
| [14:09:22] | justinh: | damn right. I'm under no obligation to do anything |
| [14:09:33] | justinh: | AT ALL |
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| [14:14:35] | GreyFoxx: | I editted a theme for the first time in years last night |
| [14:15:02] | GreyFoxx: | had to have more show up in the new video gallery heh |
| [14:15:53] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/videogallery1.png VS http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/videogallery-wide.jpg |
| [14:16:22] | GreyFoxx: | though I think I was a little overzealous and might reduce it by 2 columns |
| [14:16:45] | laga_: | scary |
| [14:17:13] | laga_: | flash gordan? |
| [14:17:33] | GreyFoxx: | My Wife liked it :) |
| [14:17:49] | laga_: | is that "flash gordon" or some rip off? |
| [14:18:01] | GreyFoxx: | It's the 2007 scifi remake |
| [14:18:09] | GreyFoxx: | 17 or 18 episodes long |
| [14:18:21] | laga_: | ah |
| [14:18:27] | laga_: | yeah, that started to air the other day here |
| [14:18:31] | laga_: | haven't watched it yet |
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| [14:23:59] | justinh: | started editing schedule-ui.xml last night to make a -wide version. I gave up |
| [14:26:18] | oobe: | hey guess what everyone i can stream live hdtv over 54g i fixed my lag yay |
| [14:26:18] | Sulx: | justinh: when blootube works with trunk again?-) |
| [14:26:33] | justinh: | Sulx: it never will |
| [14:26:44] | justinh: | not by my hand |
| [14:27:25] | justinh: | after seeing it again today in all its awful glory, consider me divorced |
| [14:27:32] | Sulx: | ;) |
| [14:27:53] | Sulx: | it looked nice imho |
| [14:28:02] | justinh: | in 1985 |
| [14:28:14] | Sulx: | better suggestions? |
| [14:28:27] | justinh: | rip it up & start again? |
| [14:28:33] | Sulx: | never mind.... |
| [14:28:46] | justinh: | forget about everybody with 4:3 displays already. it's 2008 :) |
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| [14:29:18] | Sulx: | well actually I ment wide version ;) |
| [14:29:27] | justinh: | same goes |
| [14:29:42] | justinh: | looks like whoever made it was on crack |
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| [14:30:07] | dustybin: | did somone mention crack? :P |
| [14:30:32] | justinh: | hrm. seems as though I'm gonna have to wait til I get home to take screenshots |
| [14:31:16] | justinh: | gdm is broken, vnc is broken. freenx screenshots just end up blank/corrupt |
| [14:31:40] | laga_: | justinh: use the telnet thing to take screenshots? |
| [14:31:53] | justinh: | what telnet thing? |
| [14:32:02] | justinh: | I don't want shots of every screen |
| [14:32:07] | laga_: | telnet remote control |
| [14:32:45] | justinh: | won't that just do the same as imagemagick though? |
| [14:33:03] | laga_: | no clue how it works |
| [14:34:47] | justinh: | it's not in 0.21-fixes anyway is it |
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| [14:47:39] | onexused: | I set up mythtv, I believe correctly. My tuner card works (tvtime + PS2 is good), but neither mythtv nor tvtime can find any TV channels. I have an antenna attached to the card, but every channel shows "no signal" when I scan. The same thing happens with another antenna. What should I check? |
| [14:48:07] | Sulx: | tuner settings |
| [14:48:08] | Sulx: | =) |
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| [14:48:31] | olejl_: | I have a problem when importing channels.conf in mythtv-setup. All my encrypted channels are skipped. I'm running trunk version 18549 |
| [14:48:42] | olejl_: | Anyone know how I can solve this? |
| [14:49:00] | toad_: | not use encrypted channels? |
| [14:49:12] | olejl_: | not an option :) |
| [14:49:23] | toad_: | how do you propose to decrypt them in myth? |
| [14:49:29] | justinh: | he doesn't |
| [14:49:52] | olejl_: | I hope this will be handled by my CAM automatically |
| [14:50:11] | justinh: | you should always scan properlyu in mythtv-setup, not importing channels.conf files |
| [14:50:44] | olejl_: | Yes but I tried that, but couldn't find out how to do it. Anyone have a link? |
| [14:50:45] | justinh: | importing channels.conf files (FOR THE LOVE OF GOD HOW MANY MORE TIMES?) misses out ESSENTIAL INFORMATION |
| [14:51:17] | onexused: | Sulx: In mythtv-setup? All the settings I see look correct. |
| [14:51:18] | justinh: | olejl_: sadly no dvb-s or dvb-c users have bothered to write up their experiences to enough of a degree. yet |
| [14:51:47] | iamlindoro: | That's because none of the can read/write |
| [14:52:08] | iamlindoro: | them |
| [14:52:15] | olejl_: | Yes I noticed that because I had trouble finding relevant info when searching google |
| [14:52:32] | justinh: | but hey, it's alright. they got theirs working. schmuck |
| [14:52:42] | justinh: | dvb-s, I'm guessing... |
| [14:52:52] | olejl_: | yes |
| [14:52:59] | justinh: | for dvb-s scanning to work here's the part people are failing to write down in their howto guides: |
| [14:53:11] | justinh: | you need to set an initial transponder for scanning to work |
| [14:53:26] | justinh: | you can find the info for that in a channels.conf file |
| [14:55:27] | olejl_: | So I would go to Input Connections, and then scan for channels and then Full Scan (tuned)? |
| [14:55:35] | justinh: | yup |
| [14:55:46] | justinh: | using the tuning frequency from a line in channels.conf |
| [14:56:00] | justinh: | and as many other details.. symbol rate, FEC etc as you can give it |
| [14:58:01] | justinh: | and PLEASE, do other dvb-s users a favour by putting this information in the wiki |
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| [14:59:20] | toad_: | the warnings about SVN largely do not apply if building from 0.21-fixes? |
| [14:59:37] | justinh: | such as? |
| [14:59:46] | toad_: | in the html docs |
| [15:00:10] | justinh: | such as? |
| [15:00:16] | toad_: | you must join the dev and commits lists, it may be horribly unstable etc |
| [15:00:21] | justinh: | nah |
| [15:00:28] | justinh: | -fixes is the 'stable' branch |
| [15:00:33] | toad_: | docs/mythtv-HOWTO-5.html at the top |
| [15:00:41] | justinh: | assume it'll be nothing if not better than your distro's packages |
| [15:00:49] | toad_: | it should be at least as stable as the distro packages, great |
| [15:01:00] | toad_: | (they're not terribly stable for me – it works but it segfaults) |
| [15:01:32] | toad_: | mythfilldatabase, mythbackend, mytranscode all segfault, sometimes in lame, sometimes in libc, sometimes in themselves... :( |
| [15:02:31] | toad_: | to replace the debian packages, i want --prefix=/usr, anything else? |
| [15:02:49] | toad_: | do i need extras/plugins on the backend system? |
| [15:02:55] | justinh: | toad_: uninstall the packages |
| [15:03:02] | toad_: | sure |
| [15:03:12] | justinh: | plugins are for the frontend |
| [15:03:18] | toad_: | dpkg --remove but not --purge cos i want to keep the database, and probably the init script? |
| [15:06:44] | justinh: | aye |
| [15:07:09] | justinh: | but the init script is prolly gonna go for /usr/bin so use a --prefix of /usr not /usr/local |
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| [15:10:38] | olejl_: | I try to enter 27500 (which I think is my frequency), but I just get some errors: http://pastebin.com/d70dfce0a |
| [15:10:56] | justinh: | ENOTENOUGHZEROS ! |
| [15:14:11] | olejl_: | Sorry, but now I have tried from 1 – 6 zeros extra, and the same thing happens :( |
| [15:15:31] | olejl_: | Can it have something to do with the "Channel Frequency Table" setting? |
| [15:15:40] | justinh: | where are you getting the 27500 line from? |
| [15:15:49] | justinh: | paste one line of a channels.conf file here |
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| [15:17:37] | olejl_: | Al Rayah :10757:v:0:27500:1001:1002:3401 |
| [15:18:47] | olejl_: | Something positive happened when I used 10757000 (I had tried 10757 from before) |
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| [15:21:01] | justinh: | 10757 is the frequency in mhz. mythtv-setup needs that in khz.,.. add 3 zeros :) |
| [15:21:50] | olejl_: | Yes, did that now, but I receive "Timeout Scanning Frequency 10757000 — no signal |
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| [15:25:33] | wagnerrp: | ATSC broadcasts are... transport streams? |
| [15:26:03] | wagnerrp: | or program streams |
| [15:26:17] | GreyFoxx: | ts |
| [15:27:06] | toad_: | hmmm myth is supposed to take 10 minutes to build on a P4 3.2 ... it took 10 minutes on a quad 2.2G phenom! i suppose it's gotten considerably larger since the howto was written... |
| [15:27:19] | wagnerrp: | i remember previously being able to play ATSC recordings on my PS3 |
| [15:27:30] | wagnerrp: | but at the moment, it has no audio |
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| [15:28:10] | wagnerrp: | AC3 is supported for program streams |
| [15:28:24] | stoth: | pity, TS is better for me. |
| [15:28:32] | wagnerrp: | im wondering if the PS3 is just having one of its fits |
| [15:29:32] | hume: | hi... I have a problem with xmltv – i was here yesterday but did not fully solve the issue. Problem: on running mythfilldatabase --manual, I get this (amohg other stuff): "No channels selected in configfile /home/magnus/.mythtv/dvb_kalla1.xmltv" – and that .xmltv file is really empty |
| [15:30:20] | hume: | to be more complete: i ran tv_grab_swedb_se --conifigure, and choose channels, but still that .xmltv-file is empty |
| [15:30:34] | hume: | configure/conifigure |
| [15:30:43] | hume: | any one got advice? |
| [15:36:42] | hume: | or rather, the .xmltv-file is not emtpy (anymore) – it contains two rows: oot-url=http://tv.swedb.se/xmltv/channels.xml.gz; cachedir=/home/magnus/.xmltv/cache |
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| [15:41:34] | justinh: | looks like it's just gonna grab all the channels |
| [15:42:08] | justinh: | so copy that file to /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ |
| [15:42:08] | hume: | ? it seems to grab no data at all – and the program guide is empty (remember me from yesterday?) |
| [15:42:19] | hume: | which file? |
| [15:44:17] | justinh: | right. you know what? when you run mythfilldatabase it's using ~/.mythtv/$videosourcename.xmltv |
| [15:44:47] | justinh: | i.e. it will call tv_grab_swedb_se & pass ~/.mythtv/$videosourcename.xmltv to it |
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| [15:45:28] | justinh: | when you run tv_grab_swedb_se --configure it will write the .xmltv file to ~/.xmltv/somefile.xmltv |
| [15:45:59] | hume: | but hang on: the output from mythfilldatabase --manual says this: "No channels selected in configfile /home/magnus/.mythtv/dvb_kalla1.xmltv" – as if using not mythtv/.mythtv/xxx.xmltv, but my user's file? |
| [15:46:12] | hume: | but sure, i'll try what you suggest |
| [15:46:27] | justinh: | well of course not because you're running it as the user magnus – ie YOU |
| [15:48:14] | hume: | you want me to copy xxx.xmltv FROM user magnus, TO mythtv? or .xmltv-folder from magnus to mythtv? |
| [15:48:27] | hume: | (sorry if I sound confused, but I am) |
| [15:48:51] | justinh: | which .xmltv file has the correct information inside? |
| [15:49:22] | justinh: | I mean which .xmltv file is not empty? |
| [15:49:24] | toad_: | cya folks, i'll be back when the transcode job has finished |
| [15:49:35] | hume: | if correct information is the two lines "root=..." and "cachedir=..:" then it is the one on user magnus folder |
| [15:49:44] | toad_: | the segfaults appear to be fixed, at least |
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| [15:49:53] | hume: | there is no xmltv-file at all in user mythtv's home folder |
| [15:50:35] | justinh: | hume: paste the FULL path of that file here please |
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| [15:50:59] | toad_: | i'm getting a lot of this in my mythbackend log: "strange error flushing buffer ..." |
| [15:51:01] | toad_: | any ideas? |
| [15:51:49] | hume: | the file /home/magnus/.mythtv/dvb_kalla1.xmltv contains those two lines "root=" and "cachedir=" |
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| [15:52:49] | toad_: | I wonder if it might be related to the transcoding loses audio bug... |
| [15:52:56] | justinh: | hume: and your 'video source' is called dvb_kalla1 ? |
| [15:53:05] | hume: | there do not exist any .xmltv-file at all in /home/mythtv/* |
| [15:53:06] | toad_: | guess i'll find out in a bit |
| [15:53:09] | hume: | justinh, yes, correct |
| [15:53:21] | justinh: | hume: and mythfilldatabase says what? |
| [15:53:35] | hume: | "No channels selected in configfile /home/magnus/.mythtv/dvb_kalla1.xmltv" |
| [15:53:45] | hume: | among other stuff |
| [15:53:56] | hume: | runs, feteches 0 data, exits |
| [15:54:14] | justinh: | hume: do any of your channels have xmltvids set in the channel table? |
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| [15:56:33] | hume: | justinh, looking at it in mythweb: yes, the first 12 channels have xmltv-id (of the format "kunskapskanalen") – but these have no channel id's (if that matters). Following these, there are some 25 channels with no xmltv-id |
| [15:57:14] | hume: | and the program guide shows just "no data" for all channels |
| [15:57:16] | justinh: | it sounds to me like your grabber is operating in a retarded manner compared to other grabbers |
| [15:57:36] | hume: | justinh, right now, it feels like I am operating in a retarded manner....:( |
| [15:57:41] | justinh: | you bloody Europeans are useless at documenting stuff |
| [15:58:21] | hume: | justinh, i think you are right – i believe I have seen stuff about this at various places – that there are more to do to get this to work in Europe, or more precisely, off-UK |
| [15:58:22] | justinh: | there are quite a lot of Swedish mythtv users, german mythtv users etc etc etc.. how much do they contribute to documentation? not much that anybody can find |
| [15:58:29] | hume: | right |
| [15:58:39] | hume: | that is: not much |
| [15:59:03] | iamlindoro_: | They're too busy having consequence free sex with fit blondes |
| [15:59:19] | hume: | but: a hunch: the first 12 channels in mythweb – might that be just some leftover from an earlier run of mythfilldatabase= I have done these steps som 25 times now |
| [15:59:31] | hume: | iamlindoro, yeah, that is a problem...:) |
| [15:59:31] | justinh: | hume: true |
| [16:00:07] | justinh: | ffs. FOUR hits! http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=tv . . . ch&meta= |
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| [16:01:17] | justinh: | what kind of crap is this.. "you need to enter the freqid for the channels". not for xmltv to work, you don't |
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| [16:03:15] | hume: | ok...so what if i manually enter the xmltv-id for each channel? |
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| [16:04:22] | justinh: | ffs their website's last updates were in 2007 |
| [16:05:19] | justinh: | hume: I can't help any more |
| [16:05:37] | justinh: | I have no idea how that stupid grabber is supposed to work |
| [16:05:52] | hume: | ok..thanks... you have been a great help, really, now i understand more, even though it still does not work |
| [16:05:59] | justinh: | if you guys can't even document stuff properly it's not my fault |
| [16:06:10] | justinh: | go bother them at their forums :) |
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| [16:06:30] | justinh: | http://tv.swedb.se |
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| [16:08:15] | Shadow__X: | hello everybody |
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| [16:18:45] | hume: | justinh, hi again.....:) |
| [16:18:55] | hume: | justinh, now I solved it.... |
| [16:19:44] | hume: | what I did: past the xmltv-id found in tv_grab_se_swedb --list-channels into the mythweb grid, and then ran mythfilldatabase --manual |
| [16:20:25] | justinh: | yay |
| [16:20:39] | justinh: | ffs what a bleedin muppet! -> "A car thief who had his name and date of birth tattooed on his neck was caught after CCTV images of him were used to track him down." |
| [16:21:06] | hume: | ... guess he is a swede.... |
| [16:21:16] | justinh: | nah in the UK |
| [16:21:28] | hume: | :) phew |
| [16:21:36] | justinh: | "Evans, an illiterate man of no fixed address,"... lol |
| [16:22:06] | justinh: | so the tattoo must be incase he forgets his name & birthday. heh |
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| [16:27:10] | Shadow__X: | of course |
| [16:27:13] | laga_: | yeah, but it's on his neck so he can't read it himself |
| [16:27:35] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [16:27:46] | Shadow__X: | so mirror maybe |
| [16:27:53] | Shadow__X: | is it written backwards? |
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| [16:41:35] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | blondes are not more fun... '-p |
| [16:43:03] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...that tatoo sounds like something you would put on a dog that has wanderlust. |
| [16:44:15] | justinh: | blondes are more maintenance |
| [16:44:23] | iamlindoro_: | Oh I'll maintain 'em |
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| [16:45:31] | laga_: | if you guys keep talking, you'll be getting a tattoo like that one from your wifes |
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| [16:45:50] | justinh: | my wife is blonde |
| [16:46:24] | kormoc: | laga_, so the secret to getting a wife is to keep talking? |
| [16:46:49] | laga_: | kormoc: no. the secret to being treated like a dog with wanderlust |
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| [16:53:12] | kormoc: | heh |
| [16:53:27] | justinh: | laga_: you deserve to get married for making that comment |
| [16:53:42] | laga_: | bah |
| [16:53:47] | laga_: | also, corn flakes are awesome |
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| [16:54:25] | ** iamlindoro_ has a giant box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch at his desk ** | |
| [16:55:36] | justinh: | why not just tip sugar into a bowl of milk? |
| [16:55:46] | iamlindoro_: | You may be on to something |
| [16:57:03] | kormoc: | justinh, piece of bread, cover in sugar, dump milk on. Enjoy |
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| [16:58:06] | iamlindoro_: | You forgot the crunch part |
| [16:58:15] | iamlindoro_: | a handful of drywall screws ought to work |
| [16:58:34] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [16:59:12] | justinh: | I wonder what the dayglo luminous candy cereal was I tried when I was last in the US |
| [16:59:37] | iamlindoro_: | Trix? |
| [16:59:51] | justinh: | it looked so evil I HAD to try it |
| [17:00:29] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: http://blog.briangroce.com/images/2007-07-02-new-trix.jpg |
| [17:00:31] | justinh: | http://www.retrotuckshopsweetsdirect.co.uk/im . . . %20drops.jpg – like that but for breakfast |
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| [17:00:49] | justinh: | eew. that's them |
| [17:00:55] | iamlindoro_: | Nailed it on the first try :) |
| [17:01:17] | iamlindoro_: | All that bovine growth hormone and sugar made me SMART |
| [17:01:27] | justinh: | <snigger> |
| [17:02:11] | justinh: | and the cause of US obesity is... the kids get too much sugar, but they can't be hyperactive cos they're given Ritalin.. so they can't buzz it all off |
| [17:02:25] | justinh: | muhahaha |
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| [17:02:58] | iamlindoro_: | I was kept fit as a child by a father with a pellet gun and the desire to hunt the most dangerous prey |
| [17:03:12] | kormoc: | justinh, your idea intrigues me, do you have a newsletter? |
| [17:03:34] | wagnerrp: | perhaps a blog |
| [17:03:39] | justinh: | lol |
| [17:03:57] | justinh: | I had a blog. three times |
| [17:04:12] | iamlindoro_: | Was the last entry always, "Aw, eff this." |
| [17:04:16] | justinh: | I like to think I'm better now |
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| [17:04:30] | wagnerrp: | i would have a blog, but then i realized people dont actually want to read about my boring tedium |
| [17:04:49] | justinh: | anyway.. time for me to head home |
| [17:05:49] | iamlindoro_: | SciFi HD should be *ashamed* of the broken signal they put out |
| [17:06:01] | wagnerrp: | how broken? |
| [17:06:03] | iamlindoro_: | well, technically comcast should be |
| [17:06:17] | iamlindoro_: | *real* broken |
| [17:06:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean 'how so'? |
| [17:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | negative PTSes, partial frames, etc. It's really more comcasts fault than anything, but still. |
| [17:07:44] | iamlindoro_: | Just sloppy engineering on certain channels |
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| [17:18:09] | Shadow__X: | hmm how do you make permissions on nfs |
| [17:18:19] | toad_: | argh |
| [17:18:23] | wagnerrp: | /etc/exports |
| [17:18:31] | toad_: | i'm still getting segfaults ! :< |
| [17:18:43] | toad_: | this time, mythtranscode segfaulted in libc |
| [17:18:47] | Shadow__X: | yeah wagnerrp i see that but can i allow only certain ips through there |
| [17:18:56] | wagnerrp: | thats correct |
| [17:19:43] | Shadow__X: | would i do /file/to/share 10.10.10.2/2(rw) |
| [17:19:49] | toad_: | I've replaced the RAM, the disks, the CPU .. everything except for the motherboard... so it *might* be a hardware problem, but I haven't seen a segfault in any other app for quite some time... |
| [17:19:50] | Shadow__X: | or how would i have that setup |
| [17:20:17] | toad_: | except for java, but that seems to mainly happen when i try to debug stuff |
| [17:20:21] | wagnerrp: | well a '/2' would give access to half the internet, not something you want to do |
| [17:20:32] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [17:20:34] | toad_: | you want /8 |
| [17:21:04] | iamlindoro_: | whuuuuu? |
| [17:21:12] | iamlindoro_: | no he doesn't |
| [17:21:13] | wagnerrp: | '/8' is all 10.x addresses, excessively large, but at least not the internet at large |
| [17:21:23] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [17:21:38] | Shadow__X: | would i just get ride of the / |
| [17:21:39] | wagnerrp: | chances are youre running a '/24' |
| [17:21:44] | Shadow__X: | or could i |
| [17:21:53] | Shadow__X: | well i just want to give certain machines access |
| [17:21:55] | wagnerrp: | better yet, would be to just list the ips of the machines you want access |
| [17:22:01] | toad_: | he's using 10.x.y.z, that suggests a /8 |
| [17:22:01] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [17:22:20] | toad_: | but yeah listing IPs is better |
| [17:22:34] | Shadow__X: | alright |
| [17:23:01] | toad_: | are segfaults in myth *always* due to hardware problems? (amd64, was debian packages but recompiled today from 0.21-fixes) ? |
| [17:23:35] | iamlindoro_: | They're more commonly "user compiled things wrong/against existing libs" issues |
| [17:23:50] | toad_: | shouldn't the configure script prevent that? |
| [17:23:50] | wagnerrp: | segfaults in myth are due to improperly accessing memory |
| [17:24:05] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with hardware, rather a bug in the code |
| [17:24:05] | toad_: | what do I have to check to verify that there isn't a library problem? |
| [17:24:37] | toad_: | usually segfaults are hardware related in other apps |
| [17:24:48] | iamlindoro_: | remove all existing vestiges of packaged or ancient myth from your system before compiling/installing |
| [17:25:03] | clev: | wagnerrp: ive had Xorg segfault when it swapped into a bad sector before, but that harddrive was allready toast |
| [17:25:11] | iamlindoro_: | And no, I would say that the majority of segfaults in any program are not hardware related |
| [17:25:13] | toad_: | the segfaults are all over the place – in lame, in libc, or in myth itself (not in a library) |
| [17:25:22] | wagnerrp: | usually segfaults have absolutely nothing to do with hardware |
| [17:25:45] | wagnerrp: | anything which doesnt have error correction on user input is VERRRRYYYY easy to segfault |
| [17:25:47] | clev: | usualy they are software bugs, but i have seen them caused by hardware damaging bytes and screwing things up |
| [17:26:43] | toad_: | hmmm |
| [17:26:50] | wagnerrp: | ive got some old f77 code i use at work, inputs have to be perfect or the code barfs |
| [17:26:53] | Shadow__X: | clev, you work alot of ancient thrown away machiens |
| [17:26:54] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [17:26:59] | toad_: | wagnerrp: sure, that's considered a buffer overflow |
| [17:27:05] | toad_: | wagnerrp: and usually exploitable |
| [17:27:08] | toad_: | i.e. bad bug |
| [17:27:08] | clev: | Shadow__X: its my old laptop :P |
| [17:27:14] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [17:27:21] | wagnerrp: | depends on the code |
| [17:27:40] | wagnerrp: | the programs i run, if you dont do things properly, arrays dont get initialized |
| [17:27:41] | clev: | wagnerrp: it could be asking for an index into an array of past answers |
| [17:27:50] | clev: | which cant realy be exploited |
| [17:27:50] | wagnerrp: | then the program tries to access the non-existant array |
| [17:27:53] | wagnerrp: | instant segfault |
| [17:27:58] | toad_: | where would i look for old bits of myth? |
| [17:28:18] | toad_: | i've removed the old packages, but was getting segfaults even when using the packages |
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| [17:29:43] | toad_: | am i just looking for anything with myth in its name? |
| [17:35:36] | toad_: | segfaults in gcc are almost always caused by dodgy hardware, that's the classic thing |
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| [17:44:44] | wagnerrp: | segfaults in gcc... yes |
| [17:44:55] | wagnerrp: | compiler errors are usually caused by hardware faults |
| [17:45:57] | ** toad_ wonders if there's any point generating a core file ... it's in 3 different binaries and in 2 libraries or not in a library in some cases... so the stack dump probably wouldn't help much... right? ** | |
| [17:46:30] | toad_: | do i need to investigate the libraries? one is libc 2.7, one is lame, afaik they're both from the distro... |
| [17:49:00] | wagnerrp: | id like to believe something you get pre-compiled should be relatively safe |
| [17:49:51] | toad_: | .. but ... ? |
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| [17:53:00] | wagnerrp: | its only mythtranscode thats failing? |
| [17:53:14] | wagnerrp: | does it fail on all files you try to transcode? |
| [17:54:33] | toad_: | no |
| [17:54:43] | toad_: | mythtranscode, mythfilldatabase, and sometimes mythbackend |
| [17:55:04] | toad_: | and there's no trace of any myth executable files or libraries left on the system |
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| [17:57:30] | toad_: | gtg, bbiab |
| [17:57:47] | wagnerrp: | why is mythfilldatabase linked in with so much shit... |
| [18:23:12] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | has anyone tried out the dell studio "slim" machines? |
| [18:23:15] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | they have a quadcore model. |
| [18:25:04] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | lowend for $600 (same price as a mini) |
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| [18:58:46] | iamlindoro_: | Mmm, cake. |
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| [19:11:31] | Cursor: | hiiiii can anyone gimmi some help with Myth Transcoding Daemon its not working |
| [19:12:42] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: You need to ask an actual question |
| [19:12:53] | iamlindoro_: | And not wait for someone to spring forward and volunteer |
| [19:14:04] | Cursor: | okay well i try to rip dvd's in myth , iso copy works fine but pergect or good doesnt so i've looked on the web n i think its to do with transcode , so i ran mtd -n and i get errors |
| [19:14:27] | Cursor: | i'll copy the output to a site |
| [19:15:10] | justinh: | grrrr if I have to hear one more time about the hassle virtualisation is making for my wife at work I will KILL somebody |
| [19:15:52] | laga_: | why does your wife have to care? |
| [19:16:05] | justinh: | because it's totally getting in the way of her work |
| [19:16:30] | Cursor: | okay here's what i get when i run mtd -n http://pastebin.ca/1221967 |
| [19:16:30] | laga_: | then she gets to call it a day early if there's a problem in the IT dept ;) |
| [19:16:44] | justinh: | rather than update people's machines to higher specs, they put everybody on this ferking Citrix virtual thing |
| [19:17:04] | iamlindoro_: | MOAR VEE-EMMS |
| [19:17:06] | justinh: | and it's ended up being slower than the crap machines they've got :P |
| [19:17:20] | justinh: | bloody IT trends |
| [19:17:45] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: And the plain-english error message doesn't tell you anything? |
| [19:17:55] | iamlindoro_: | ie "You've probably got another copy of mtd already running" |
| [19:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | ps aux |grep mtd |
| [19:18:23] | Cursor: | but isnt it meant to be running ? it runs on boot dont it |
| [19:18:41] | iamlindoro_: | Only if *you* set it up to do so |
| [19:18:54] | iamlindoro_: | So you're not going to be able to run a second instance if it's already running, dude... |
| [19:18:57] | Cursor: | oh :S well i shouldnt have another already running then |
| [19:19:06] | iamlindoro_: | Have you *looked*? |
| [19:19:18] | iamlindoro_: | Again, plain english error... |
| [19:19:18] | Cursor: | noob question xD how? |
| [19:19:25] | iamlindoro_: | "You might want to try "ps ax | grep mtd"" |
| [19:19:36] | Cursor: | oh i done that the output was |
| [19:19:38] | ** iamlindoro_ gives up hope for humanity ** | |
| [19:20:12] | Cursor: | http://pastebin.ca/1221978 |
| [19:20:13] | iamlindoro_: | sed 's/$AllMythErrorMessages/Install MCE Immediately/g' |
| [19:20:19] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: to hell with plain English error messages. it should just fix itself by magicalness |
| [19:20:29] | Cursor: | haha |
| [19:20:34] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: and the output of that says that mtd is already running. |
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| [19:20:41] | iamlindoro_: | "5671 ? SNsl 0:04 /usr/bin/mtd -d" |
| [19:20:46] | Cursor: | ah , i didnt understand what it meant |
| [19:20:47] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeeee, linux is fun! |
| [19:21:03] | Cursor: | so why isnt transcode working in myth? |
| [19:21:04] | iamlindoro_: | So. MTD is running fine. |
| [19:21:32] | justinh: | I fixed that guy's teletext inserter machine today. the program he paid a developer to write needed gnome-panel to work, and xubuntu is kinda missing that |
| [19:21:43] | justinh: | he owes me big time now |
| [19:23:28] | Gnea: | this isn't exactly a technical question, more of a "what works good for you?" kind of question – i'm looking at getting a new TV card – something that supports analog and hdtv. the wintv hvr 1600 is looking pretty good, but i wanted to see if anyone has had any issues with it or would recommend something else and why? |
| [19:23:53] | iamlindoro_: | If you want a decent analog and digital tuner, it's a good choice. |
| [19:24:15] | iamlindoro_: | If you want an analog tuner with hardware encoder that also has a digital tuner, it's your *only* choice that will work with myth. |
| [19:24:31] | Gnea: | oh yeah? |
| [19:24:35] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [19:24:53] | Cursor: | the message i get when i try to run transcode in myth is "no jobs and nothing else to do . you could rup a DVD." |
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| [19:25:39] | iamlindoro_: | This is why god made frontend and backend logs |
| [19:25:49] | Gnea: | do they even make digital tuners that do hardware encoding? i mean, maybe i misunderstood what you said, but the way i'm interpretting it is that the hardware encoder only works for the analog side – am i incorrect? |
| [19:25:59] | iamlindoro_: | You are correct. |
| [19:26:08] | Gnea: | okay |
| [19:26:29] | Cursor: | i looked at front end log and it just confused meee so i searched the error messages on google found some bits of info but all lead to a dead end |
| [19:26:33] | Gnea: | what would you recommend for a decent digital with the encoding mechanism? |
| [19:26:35] | justinh: | digital tuners don't need encoders on em for the digital part |
| [19:26:41] | iamlindoro_: | Gnea: no such thing |
| [19:26:44] | Gnea: | oh ok |
| [19:26:53] | justinh: | all they do is pull the already encoded stream out of the ether |
| [19:26:55] | Gnea: | sweet! |
| [19:27:09] | Gnea: | er, yeah.. duh, hence why it's called 'digital' |
| [19:27:14] | Gnea: | *facepalm* |
| [19:27:22] | iamlindoro_: | analog w/ hardware encoder + Digital tuner that works in myth == HVR1600 and no other card. |
| [19:27:26] | iamlindoro_: | So it's a simple choice. |
| [19:28:14] | iamlindoro_: | You can get combined digital and analog cards without hardware encoders, but they suck. You can get other cards that have analog encoders and digital, but they don't work in myth. |
| [19:28:36] | laga_: | how well does the hardware encoder work on that one? what driver? |
| [19:29:03] | iamlindoro_: | ivtv |
| [19:29:17] | laga_: | oooooh, überneat |
| [19:29:25] | iamlindoro_: | so same as the PVR-xxxes more or les |
| [19:29:28] | iamlindoro_: | ess |
| [19:29:32] | iamlindoro_: | less (darnit!) |
| [19:30:05] | Gnea: | hrmmm |
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| [19:30:46] | Gnea: | okay, new problem though – according to hauppauge's site, ivtv won't fully support it until 2.6.26 and current standards are pointing at 2.6.24 – ugh |
| [19:31:07] | iamlindoro_: | The card works fine today. |
| [19:31:18] | laga_: | hum |
| [19:31:21] | Gnea: | you own one? |
| [19:31:27] | laga_: | i dont think i can get the 1600 in germany |
| [19:31:28] | iamlindoro_: | You're not afraid to compile a driver, are you? |
| [19:31:36] | Gnea: | not at all |
| [19:32:02] | iamlindoro_: | Support for it is *in kernel* in 2.6.26. You can install the driver on anthing back to 2.6.18 |
| [19:32:19] | Gnea: | and which version of the driver should i be looking at? |
| [19:32:27] | iamlindoro_: | Whatever the current tip is |
| [19:32:40] | iamlindoro_: | just download the source, compile, install. Simple. |
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| [19:34:07] | iamlindoro_: | just follow the repo instructions at www.linuxtv.org/repo |
| [19:34:14] | Gnea: | well according to the site, it's saying that 1.3.0 is the latest, but that it's strictly for 2.6.26 and up. 1.1.0 would work with 2.6.24 |
| [19:34:22] | Gnea: | http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| [19:35:11] | iamlindoro_: | Gnea: I'm not going to argue with you-- the card works fine. You shouldn't be installing the driver from there anyway. |
| [19:35:22] | iamlindoro_: | Like I said, www.linuxtv.org/repo |
| [19:35:29] | Gnea: | okay :) |
| [19:35:43] | iamlindoro_: | follow instructions. Compile and install. |
| [19:36:13] | iamlindoro_: | get the latest firmware for the card, install in appropriate place for your distro, modprobe, done. |
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| [19:36:29] | iamlindoro_: | laga_: IIRC there is a euro version with a different name |
| [19:36:49] | iamlindoro_: | It may be DVB-T + Analog insteat, though |
| [19:37:08] | Gnea: | hrm, it's not working right |
| [19:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | laga_: HVR-1300 I think |
| [19:37:23] | iamlindoro_: | Gnea: *What's* not working right? |
| [19:37:27] | Gnea: | Click on the "tags" link, to display a list of the current tags |
| [19:37:30] | Gnea: | there are no tags. |
| [19:38:01] | iamlindoro_: | Follow the "Checkout V4L-DVB or dvb-apps" instructions |
| [19:38:10] | Gnea: | or is the bz2/gz links i should just go to? |
| [19:38:16] | iamlindoro_: | It's all sort of a moot point if you don't have the card. |
| [19:38:23] | iamlindoro_: | Check out via mercurial |
| [19:38:40] | iamlindoro_: | Then follow "How to build the v4l-dvb kernel modules" |
| [19:38:46] | iamlindoro_: | Seek support in #linuxtv, not here |
| [19:38:47] | Gnea: | well, if the driver isn't going to work, what's the point in getting the card? |
| [19:38:52] | iamlindoro_: | jesus fuck |
| [19:38:52] | Gnea: | okay |
| [19:38:55] | iamlindoro_: | THE DRIVER WORKS FINE |
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| [19:38:58] | iamlindoro_: | THE CARD WORKS FINE |
| [19:39:08] | Gnea: | no need to yell |
| [19:39:13] | iamlindoro_: | The driver *won't* do anything for you WITHOUT THE CARD |
| [19:39:36] | iamlindoro_: | You might as well modprobe usb-penispump |
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| [19:40:29] | iamlindoro_: | as you can happily compile and install any driver you like but it'll do exactly squat without the hardware attached |
| [19:42:32] | Gnea: | well, if you're going to talk to people like that here, why should I bother going there just to have the same crap handed to me? thanks for the info. |
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| [19:43:18] | Cursor: | iamlindoro_: so do you want me to dump the backend and front end log into pastebin to show you ? cause its all like another language to me xD |
| [19:43:32] | iamlindoro_: | "Hmph! Now that I have had everything I asked for handed to me, you're a big jerk!!" |
| [19:43:52] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: You can pastebin, someone will likely look at it, I might if I have time |
| [19:44:26] | iamlindoro_: | Generally comes down to "user didn't go through the rip dvd setup screens to set up the temp directory/temp directory doesn't exist/user doesn't have permissions to that directory" |
| [19:45:37] | Cursor: | would that be a myth configuration or transcode itself cause transcodes not working for other software |
| [19:46:04] | justinh: | wow. compiling really eats battery power right up |
| [19:46:07] | iamlindoro_: | has nothing to do with other software |
| [19:46:42] | iamlindoro_: | If you don't know what I'm talking about about the rip DVD temp directory setting, then with 99% certainty I can say that's your problem |
| [19:47:12] | Dagmar: | Cursor: Dont let iamlindoro discourage you. We very much like pastebin here because the alternatives are insane |
| [19:47:33] | iamlindoro_: | The Myth Setup menus are, in spite of what people who are scared by words may say, fairly straightforward. Find the DVD rip settings menu and the first item is the temp dir. |
| [19:47:33] | Dagmar: | They amount to a) people flooding the channel with noise we don't care about by the ton or b) the people who refuse to give any solid technical detail |
| [19:47:44] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: When in the world did I discourage pastebinning? |
| [19:47:59] | Dagmar: | s/straightforward/straightforward (but seemingly endless)/; |
| [19:48:21] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: The "I might if I have time" could be taken as snark. :/ |
| [19:48:33] | Dagmar: | Not that there was anything wrong with that verbiage in my eyes |
| [19:48:39] | iamlindoro_: | Nonsense. I have a job, it's fair that I would only look at someone's problem if I have time. |
| [19:48:51] | Dagmar: | Yeah, but remember, people on IRC don't think about things like that |
| [19:49:18] | iamlindoro_: | Exactly-- people presume a single answer is an offer to personally troubleshoot their problem-- ergo my statement that I'll look if I can. |
| [19:50:04] | Cursor: | i was trying to say its nothing to do with mythsettings because transcode wont work with other software either ?!?! i've not just come on here to annoy you guys i spent the last 2 nights lookin for information and trying to fix my problem and when i got no where i got adviced to come on here |
| [19:50:26] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: Myth doesn't use any other software's transcode. |
| [19:50:45] | Dagmar: | So if `transcode` is failing then you've got a problem with `transcode` basically. |
| [19:50:53] | Cursor: | yes |
| [19:50:55] | Dagmar: | If you can cough up the error message transcode gives tho, we still might know something about it |
| [19:51:05] | Dagmar: | If you're lucky you're just missing a library |
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| [19:51:25] | iamlindoro_: | This is getting silly-- just pastebin your frontend and backend logs for when you attempt a DVD rip. |
| [19:51:47] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: Have you or have you not manually set the DVD rip temp directory to a directory that you own/can write to? |
| [19:51:59] | iamlindoro_: | If you don't know what I mean, then THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM |
| [19:52:28] | Cursor: | i've gone throug n set the temp dir to a dir in my home folder |
| [19:52:41] | iamlindoro_: | Your inability to transcode in other software has *nothing* to do with your inability to do so in myth. |
| [19:52:43] | iamlindoro_: | *nothing*. |
| [19:53:07] | iamlindoro_: | Pastebin your logs. Until you do, stop trying to tell us where the problem lies, as *you do not know* where it is. |
| [19:53:32] | Cursor: | okay |
| [19:55:05] | Cursor: | http://pastebin.ca/1222020 |
| [19:56:58] | iamlindoro_: | go to a terminal-- killall mtd |
| [19:57:02] | iamlindoro_: | mtd -d |
| [19:57:02] | Dagmar: | So that would indicate a problem with mtd |
| [19:57:17] | iamlindoro_: | when it runs in the terminal, try a DVD rip |
| [19:57:21] | Dagmar: | LIne 10 should have kinda been a giveaway as to what to do |
| [19:57:23] | iamlindoro_: | then pastebin the mtd output |
| [19:57:33] | iamlindoro_: | No, that's his old stuff |
| [19:57:38] | iamlindoro_: | His pastebinned into his last pastebin |
| [19:57:47] | iamlindoro_: | Note the timestamp differences |
| [19:57:49] | Cursor: | yeah its at the top of that paste bin |
| [19:57:53] | iamlindoro_: | He tried to run a second isntance before |
| [19:58:10] | Cursor: | and the output for mtd -d is same as mtd -n which is top of the paste bin |
| [19:58:17] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor: Then you didn't kill mtd |
| [19:58:29] | iamlindoro_: | kill -9 5671 |
| [19:58:34] | iamlindoro_: | then try mtd -d again |
| [19:59:32] | Cursor: | okay |
| [19:59:38] | Cursor: | i got huge load of errors now |
| [19:59:53] | iamlindoro_: | $5 on permissions |
| [19:59:56] | iamlindoro_: | pastebin |
| [20:00:15] | Cursor: | http://pastebin.ca/1222030 |
| [20:00:33] | Cursor: | its saying to do with libdvdcss but i updated that n encrypted dvds play |
| [20:00:39] | iamlindoro_: | Well that's different at least |
| [20:00:57] | iamlindoro_: | That doesn't mean that whatever version you went to is compatible with this version of mtd |
| [20:01:19] | Cursor: | its the latest version i updated it about hour ago to check its not that |
| [20:01:19] | iamlindoro_: | sounds/looks like your versions of libdvdread and libdvdcss don't like each other |
| [20:01:34] | iamlindoro_: | Why would you assume that it being the latest version is a *good* thing? |
| [20:01:56] | iamlindoro_: | Newst or oldest doesn't matter, these things have to *match* each other |
| [20:02:08] | iamlindoro_: | And these *do not*. |
| [20:04:26] | Cursor: | right lol let me av a mess around with versions n gettin um to match n i'll be back with feedback in a minute |
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| [20:05:21] | ** iamlindoro_ puts that sentence through babelfish in order to read it in English ** | |
| [20:05:32] | directhex: | PANDA! |
| [20:06:10] | iamlindoro_: | Cursor's full name is Cursor C. Dustybin III |
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| [20:07:14] | Cursor: | haha leave me alone im trying |
| [20:08:20] | iamlindoro_: | I would look at libdvdcss, myself, as last I checked libdvdnav was an imported version in myth, so there's nothing you can do about that. |
| [20:09:58] | Cursor: | im reainstalling libdvdcss |
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| [20:10:16] | iamlindoro_: | Out of curiosity, I wonder what disrto you are running |
| [20:10:25] | iamlindoro_: | say gentoo. Come on. I dare you. |
| [20:10:30] | Cursor: | ubuntu |
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| [20:10:53] | iamlindoro_: | So just install the packaged version |
| [20:11:12] | Cursor: | of libdvdcss? |
| [20:11:20] | directhex: | medibuntu. |
| [20:11:34] | Cursor: | am doing |
| [20:11:43] | Cursor: | well i have now im uninstalling n installing again |
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| [20:22:12] | Cursor: | right all reinstalled im gonna restart computer then try |
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| [20:25:46] | Cursor: | nope same prolbem |
| [20:26:07] | iamlindoro_: | Well, you've managed to make libraries disagree somehow |
| [20:26:22] | iamlindoro_: | So whatever you did to get here... do that backwards. |
| [20:26:42] | iamlindoro_: | Other options include reinstalling with something nice and safe like MythBuntu |
| [20:26:50] | iamlindoro_: | when everything will just work for you |
| [20:26:53] | iamlindoro_: | er where |
| [20:27:03] | wagnerrp: | i love running a program for about 8 hours, and then learning i looped over the wrong variable, and the result is worthless! |
| [20:27:09] | Cursor: | im in mythbuntu |
| [20:27:39] | Cursor: | i was in ubuntu but i got a hell of alot of problems cause of myth so im tryin mythbuntu n this is the only real problem i got |
| [20:27:39] | iamlindoro_: | Then you're on your own-- you broke it. |
| [20:28:02] | Cursor: | you think you could resolve my problem maybe via ssh? |
| [20:28:06] | iamlindoro_: | As I can promise that mythbuntu's libdvdnav and libdvdcss2 agree with each other |
| [20:28:11] | wagnerrp: | you should never offer that |
| [20:28:17] | Cursor: | lol i know i know |
| [20:28:30] | Cursor: | but he cant do much i'm doing a fresh install in a minute |
| [20:28:32] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, no kidding |
| [20:28:44] | wagnerrp: | he absolutely can so a shitton |
| [20:28:53] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, I'm a naughty pixie, and I'm creative |
| [20:28:59] | wagnerrp: | he has root to a box on your network |
| [20:29:03] | Cursor: | haha |
| [20:29:06] | Cursor: | true |
| [20:29:10] | wagnerrp: | thats almost as good as physical access |
| [20:29:19] | Cursor: | suppposeee |
| [20:29:54] | Dagmar: | On general principle we *don't* do remote access fixes. |
| [20:30:14] | Dagmar: | There's too many nasty people around, and doing things that way doesn't solve the "real" problem |
| [20:30:18] | iamlindoro_: | Not for free, anyway |
| [20:30:41] | Cursor: | so where would you suggest i go from here |
| [20:30:46] | iamlindoro_: | Someone doing remote access to your box and just fixing it is no longer community support-- it's me being your bitch |
| [20:31:07] | iamlindoro_: | I suggest you install mythbuntu from scratch and not try to install/update essential libraries any more |
| [20:31:25] | Cursor: | im thinking it might be my drvie |
| [20:31:28] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: that depends on whether youre getting paid or not |
| [20:31:33] | Cursor: | *drive |
| [20:31:41] | Cursor: | i might try another distro |
| [20:31:49] | Cursor: | mythdora or something |
| [20:32:11] | iamlindoro_: | The mythbuntu folks are *very smart*... if you can't apt-get upgrade to get it, odds are you don't need it. |
| [20:32:47] | iamlindoro_: | I can promise you that this isn't the doing of mythbuntu, You have bad hardware between the keyboard and chair |
| [20:32:59] | Cursor: | very funny |
| [20:33:04] | iamlindoro_: | I thought so |
| [20:33:26] | Cursor: | i didnt say it was the doing of mythbuntu |
| [20:33:58] | Cursor: | i installed mythbuntu and updated then got libdvdcss via the control panel in mythbuntu |
| [20:34:01] | Cursor: | set it all up |
| [20:34:10] | Cursor: | all works fine apart from rip dvd |
| [20:34:19] | Cursor: | soo i been tryin since to figure it out |
| [20:34:41] | Cursor: | and tried every solution i found on the net and all lead to a dead end |
| [20:34:43] | iamlindoro_: | There was some other step in there involving jiggery pokery |
| [20:35:46] | Cursor: | right i'll do a fresh install of mythbuntu do apt-get upgrade , get libdvdcss and come back on here if it dont work without messing about or anything |
| [20:36:00] | Cursor: | then will you be able to better advice me? |
| [20:36:04] | iamlindoro_: | actually you can go to #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [20:36:11] | iamlindoro_: | where mythbuntu is troubleshot |
| [20:36:30] | Cursor: | okay done =) |
| [20:36:34] | Cursor: | thanks for any help |
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| [20:37:11] | iamlindoro_: | That channel merged with #people-with-feelings-hurt-by-iamlindoro a few months back |
| [20:37:18] | iamlindoro_: | "any" help, nice. |
| [20:37:32] | iamlindoro_: | "If you gave me help, as I was unaware of any, I thank you for it." |
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| [20:42:16] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ripping outside of MythTV nicely avoids the whole "did I install decss" problem. |
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| [21:03:55] | ll2: | hi there |
| [21:04:11] | ll2: | how can I find the correct encoding of EIT ? |
| [21:05:17] | ll2: | i get strange symbols instead of chars + accents |
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| [21:10:08] | iamlindoro_: | If I had to guess, your problem will be solved in myth .22. I believe in .21 that the database is latin. In trunk and in the next release, it'll be UTF |
| [21:11:06] | iamlindoro_: | UTF-8, that is |
| [21:12:18] | ll2: | should i just convert all mysql tables to utf8? |
| [21:12:30] | iamlindoro_: | Not if you ever want to upgrade that DB |
| [21:12:57] | iamlindoro_: | I would avoid manipulating the DB, especially the character set, yourself |
| [21:13:18] | ll2: | there´s a page in wiki that talks about that |
| [21:13:18] | iamlindoro_: | If there is any way of you doing so, I would recomment that you just live with it until .22 |
| [21:13:24] | iamlindoro_: | That page is very very very wrong |
| [21:13:29] | ll2: | hm... |
| [21:13:32] | iamlindoro_: | note the huge note at the top |
| [21:13:43] | iamlindoro_: | about how you will *break* your DB going forward if you follow the page |
| [21:13:51] | ll2: | hehehe |
| [21:14:33] | iamlindoro_: | "Following the mysql portion of this guide will make it difficult or impossible to upgrade to 0.22 or trunk! In short, don't do it!" |
| [21:14:47] | ll2: | ok, i will live with it until .22 |
| [21:15:07] | ll2: | is there a expected date to .22? |
| [21:15:19] | iamlindoro_: | None set. |
| [21:16:06] | ll2: | i undestand... but are we talking about few months, a year, more than a year? |
| [21:16:18] | iamlindoro_: | Trunk has gone through some major changes that have started to calm down a bit-- there are one or two more major things coming up... I expect we would probably see .22 after those |
| [21:16:36] | iamlindoro_: | I would think a few months is closer than a year |
| [21:16:45] | iamlindoro_: | ie, a few months is probably the better guess |
| [21:16:55] | ll2: | great |
| [21:16:58] | iamlindoro_: | But that is as someone who doesn't get a vote in the matter |
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| [21:20:30] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro_ my array is up an running |
| [21:20:32] | Shadow__X: | thanks |
| [21:20:38] | iamlindoro_: | Shadow__X: cool |
| [21:20:47] | Shadow__X: | its freaking fast man |
| [21:21:27] | Shadow__X: | brb reboot |
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| [21:48:31] | hadees: | anyone know of something akin to a macmini that can hold a core duo 3.0ghz chip? |
| [21:49:27] | kormoc: | and might as well find out what will allow me to carry around some plasma in my pocket too :P |
| [21:52:16] | iamlindoro_: | The Dell Studio Hybrids go as high as a T9500 @ 2.6, but it's the closest in size I can think of |
| [21:52:42] | iamlindoro_: | size + speed, that is to say |
| [21:53:04] | RyeBrye: | Does this guy ever hang out here: http://www.ronfrazier.net/ronfrazier.net/mythtv/ ? |
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| [21:53:35] | iamlindoro_: | Not that I know of-- believe he's on the lists fairly frequently though |
| [21:54:06] | RyeBrye: | I don't really need to talk to him... just curious if one of my new favorite people also is one of the guys who I've been talking to all along and not known it :) |
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| [21:57:53] | RyeBrye: | http://mythtvblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/mythtv . . . lease-1.html I like how this guy has gotten the funky little icons on the side of the LCD panel to actually do stuff (see the screenshots at the bottom) |
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| [22:46:08] | dherman: | quick question... Why are some of my recordings stored with a numeric files name and others with title names? |
| [22:46:28] | dherman: | I am and have been running trunk |
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| [22:47:01] | janneg: | dherman: have you used mythrename.pl? |
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| [22:48:01] | janneg: | unmodified mythtv has only following recording filename format chanid_startime.[nuv|mpg] |
| [22:48:27] | dherman: | evening Janne.. Not to my knowledge, but I may have done something dumb a month or 2 ago |
| [22:49:53] | dherman: | Is there a quick undo method? |
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| [22:59:47] | janneg: | dherman: why would you bother as long as the files are correctly in the database |
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| [23:03:23] | wolfspirit: | question... it would seem that my mythtv logs when I got home were over 6 gigs! It appears that it is logging every time my remote hits a button and I have twin 2 years olds that like buttons :) I'm assuming this might be a debug mode? How would one turn this off? |
| [23:05:39] | mzb_d800: | mythtv logs or syslog ? |
| [23:05:42] | Thomas-: | start frontend/backend with -l none (or important, check the wiki) |
| [23:06:33] | Thomas-: | or configure your logrotate to handle the file |
| [23:07:15] | wolfspirit: | mzb_d800: the frontend logs |
| [23:07:16] | iamlindoro: | that would be -v, -l is the logfilename |
| [23:07:51] | wolfspirit: | a -v wouldn't be verbose? I would want the opposite of verbose |
| [23:09:30] | mzb_d800: | "-v important" ... v = verbosity _level_ |
| [23:09:55] | mzb_d800: | if you want nothing "-v none" |
| [23:10:18] | iamlindoro: | or simply remove -v altogether |
| [23:11:04] | iamlindoro: | (not to remove, but to avoid the problem of which to choose-- not using -v leaves it at normal, minimal logging) |
| [23:11:50] | wolfspirit: | what are the logging levels? anything higher than important? like critical or something? |
| [23:12:01] | mzb_d800: | -v help |
| [23:12:02] | iamlindoro: | all, most |
| [23:12:04] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [23:12:08] | mzb_d800: | time to see if I can figure out how/where to put all the mythtv gear in the new house ... *sigh* |
| [23:12:10] | iamlindoro: | playback, none, etc. etc. etc. |
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| [23:12:24] | iamlindoro: | database... upnp... |
| [23:12:27] | iamlindoro: | wheeeeeeeeee |
| [23:13:31] | Shadow__X: | hey iamlindoro have you gotten java to work in linux :D |
| [23:13:43] | iamlindoro: | Someone else did that |
| [23:13:46] | iamlindoro: | stupid fuckers |
| [23:14:09] | iamlindoro: | but then, perhaps you didn't mean in the larger sense |
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| [23:17:54] | wolfspirit: | thanks again btw... I came home and the disk was full |
| [23:18:30] | ** jamesd think's wolfspirit always see's the disk as full.. ** | |
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| [23:19:16] | wolfspirit: | I'm a hard disk is half empty kind of guy ;) |
| [23:21:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm a BUY MOAR kind of guy |
| [23:23:03] | Shadow__X: | i secound that |
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| [23:24:55] | wolfspirit: | what is everyone using for their dvd player? |
| [23:25:15] | wolfspirit: | I was using vlc but am thinking about mplayer but mplayer doesn't look like they have next chapter buttons? |
| [23:25:24] | kormoc: | the internal player |
| [23:26:04] | Shadow__X: | internal |
| [23:26:14] | Shadow__X: | anyone wanna help me fix java in my browser? |
| [23:26:15] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [23:26:28] | wolfspirit: | noob alert.. how do I set it to internal? |
| [23:26:42] | kormoc: | change the player command to 'Internal' and caps matter |
| [23:27:17] | clev: | and its time for another episode of mythtv screws up! |
| [23:27:32] | clev: | i have 5 storage groups with 7g 7g 4g 1g 8g free |
| [23:27:36] | Shadow__X: | hey clev i am sure you have had this issue before |
| [23:27:37] | iamlindoro: | Brought to you by Cleversoft |
| [23:27:42] | clev: | why the hell is it recording to the 1g free group |
| [23:27:51] | iamlindoro: | Cleversoft-- for when it absolutely, positively has to crash, yesterday. |
| [23:27:57] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [23:28:08] | Shadow__X: | hey atleast it does what its designed to do |
| [23:28:19] | jamesd: | clev, mythtv developers get kick backs from seagate, and western digital |
| [23:28:19] | kormoc: | clev, christ... why shouldn't it? it wasn't coded to level out the recordings, so it's not screwing up |
| [23:28:21] | clev: | Shadow__X: its an hour away from crashing |
| [23:28:42] | clev: | kormoc: shouldnt it atleast go to a volume thats not in danger of overflowing? |
| [23:28:44] | Shadow__X: | clev can i txt you |
| [23:28:49] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, clev just loves bitching bout stuff he gets for free |
| [23:28:50] | iamlindoro: | Your Myth setup is PERPETUALLY 1/2 hour away from crashing |
| [23:28:51] | Shadow__X: | pm you |
| [23:28:54] | clev: | kormoc: its configured to keep 5gig free |
| [23:29:08] | kormoc: | clev, it figures out the estimated cost of the new recording and will search for one that will fit |
| [23:29:21] | kormoc: | clev, you know it only ever expires on one SG, right? |
| [23:29:30] | clev: | iamlindoro: it has ~4gig free on all my other storage groups, not counting the 5gig reserved each |
| [23:29:34] | sphery: | kormoc: regarding the QUERY_TIME_ZONE change, feel free to ask me for an overview when you're writing the MythWeb support. If nothing else, it's important to note that you can get the zone ID "UNDEF" (to say we were unable to determine the zone ID--for example, on Windows we get UNDEF until someone writes Windows support). |
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| [23:29:46] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, clev loves the sounds on his voice and the keys that follow it |
| [23:29:48] | clev: | kormoc: i thought it was expiring from any that got full... |
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| [23:30:10] | kormoc: | sphery, rgr. Hopefully I'll have some time this week |
| [23:30:16] | sphery: | kormoc: In that case, you can either hope for the best or you can check the UTC offset and current time (which doesn't guarantee things will work, but is better than none). |
| [23:30:21] | clev: | its been moving the dest for recordings about just fine so far, keeping things relatively level |
| [23:30:51] | kormoc: | clev, pure luck. It doesn't do that yet |
| [23:30:59] | kormoc: | sphery, rgr |
| [23:31:07] | clev: | that may also explain why it keeps going against the autoexpire order |
| [23:31:13] | clev: | and recording a show that it recorded 5mins ago |
| [23:31:19] | clev: | instead of one from a month ago |
| [23:31:34] | kormoc: | yes |
| [23:31:55] | clev: | how would i know WHICH group it can expire from? |
| [23:32:05] | clev: | (all the directorys are under the Default group) |
| [23:32:11] | kormoc: | the first one defined I believe |
| [23:33:39] | clev: | and that would be the tiny 15gig storage volume that has been full for the past 2 months:P |
| [23:35:18] | clev: | next thing i should do is fix the damn code:P |
| [23:35:43] | clev: | there are a few cases which i was expecting it to fail which i now see more details on |
| [23:36:04] | clev: | if theres dir's, one with 1g deleted, and one with 1g on autoexpire |
| [23:36:11] | clev: | which should it record to(and expire from) |
| [23:37:47] | kormoc: | deleted always get expired first I believe |
| [23:38:02] | clev: | the problem, the stupid thing may start recording to a group with nothing deleted |
| [23:38:11] | clev: | and then have no choice but to expire something that isnt deleted |
| [23:38:49] | clev: | and because of what you just mentioned, it may never expire from any other group |
| [23:39:09] | clev: | and just by chance, i never had deleted shows on that 1st dir |
| [23:43:09] | clev: | at the time a recording started, i had 2gig free on directory #5, 3gig below the limit, and yet thats the one it chose to record to |
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| [23:44:53] | clev: | :O, mythtv just deleted a 1gig file from that overflowing storage group |
| [23:45:00] | clev: | 40 mins late! |
| [23:45:08] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [23:45:12] | clev: | kormoc: that storage group it just autoexpired from is #5 |
| [23:45:13] | kormoc: | seems to have worked out in the end |
| [23:45:28] | clev: | it ran 3gig below the limit before doing anything about it |
| [23:45:36] | clev: | and it deleted from the 5th group not the 1st |
| [23:45:59] | kormoc: | different rules for expire due to below min, expire for future recording, expire for deleted |
| [23:46:15] | kormoc: | it only expires from the first one when all the others are full |
| [23:46:31] | kormoc: | see the -dev thread on it if you actually care |
| [23:46:37] | clev: | ah |
| [23:46:44] | clev: | but all others arent full |
| [23:47:05] | clev: | nearly all other groups are ~2gig above the limit |
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| [23:48:02] | clev: | 1gig actualy, the limit moves arround on its own |
| [23:48:20] | buttons1: | what is the best card to use for video capture |
| [23:48:31] | clev: | a video capture card! |
| [23:48:33] | iamlindoro: | a credit card |
| [23:48:59] | iamlindoro: | yay, non-specific question = non-specific answer |
| [23:49:08] | clev: | kormoc: http://pastebin.com/m5d417f2e |
| [23:49:25] | buttons1: | let me rephrase my question. What is a good video capture card? |
| [23:49:45] | clev: | the high quality/cost cards |
| [23:49:47] | iamlindoro: | One that plugs in the the computer |
| [23:49:57] | iamlindoro: | I feel like we're on the right track |
| [23:50:23] | iamlindoro: | Now get 100000 times more specific and we might get you an answer that satisfies you |
| [23:51:16] | buttons1: | I want a card that is good for digital video capture, a low cost. Is any more information needed? |
| [23:51:31] | iamlindoro: | location, over the air versus cable, bank account #s |
| [23:51:56] | clev: | maybe a SIN number:P |
| [23:52:10] | buttons1: | United states, satelite, |
| [23:52:27] | clev: | sounds like dvb-s to me |
| [23:52:34] | iamlindoro: | You can't do digital capture of for-pay satellite in the US |
| [23:52:42] | iamlindoro: | (if you mean Dish/DirectTV, that is) |
| [23:53:12] | kormoc: | buttons1, standard def? |
| [23:53:14] | iamlindoro: | you can capture the analog outputs of the STB if you like. |
| [23:53:26] | kormoc: | buttons1, and dish/direct or FTA? |
| [23:53:30] | buttons1: | iamlindoro: DirecTV, kormoc: yes |
| [23:53:47] | kormoc: | buttons1, a pvr 150 is a really good choice then |
| [23:54:20] | buttons1: | kormoc: what do you mean pvr 150? |
| [23:54:27] | kormoc: | buttons1, it will need to use a receiver, but they work really well together. You'll also need to get a ir blaster setup |
| [23:54:37] | kormoc: | buttons1, it's a card, the happauge pvr 150 capture card |
| [23:54:46] | buttons1: | ok |
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