| Sunday, October 5th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:03] | ** justinh stamps on the bug ** | |
| [00:00:07] | toad_: | recordings which start while the channel is off-air (just a static screen, no sound) lose the sound track all the way through |
| [00:00:08] | justinh: | there you go. deaded |
| [00:00:23] | toad_: | it's probably related to transcoding, although it might conceivably be multirec |
| [00:00:23] | janneg: | justinh: 1 GHz via should be fast enough for SD mpeg but mythtv was maybe inproper compiled for it |
| [00:00:52] | Dagmar: | You underestimate just how slow VIA chips can be |
| [00:00:56] | justinh: | janneg: maybe. would've taken a lot of time to narrow it down. FE was never available to me long enough and since then.. hence the regret |
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| [00:01:34] | toad_: | is this bug a known issue? |
| [00:01:45] | justinh: | toad_: what kind of tuner are we talking about here? |
| [00:01:48] | justinh: | pvr card? |
| [00:01:59] | justinh: | might be an ivtv issue if so |
| [00:02:09] | toad_: | CX23880 |
| [00:02:16] | toad_: | with multirec enabled |
| [00:02:31] | justinh: | ahh. DVB |
| [00:02:35] | toad_: | yes |
| [00:02:43] | justinh: | so when you say static screen you mean a still image onscreen |
| [00:02:47] | toad_: | yep |
| [00:02:56] | toad_: | this channel will do something in a minute |
| [00:03:04] | justinh: | like the venerable BBC Three MHEG stills we get while they're off air |
| [00:03:10] | toad_: | that's the exact one |
| [00:03:26] | justinh: | I think I saw something on a mailing list about that the other day |
| [00:03:32] | toad_: | is there a fix in SVN? |
| [00:03:53] | toad_: | starting on time rather than early might help but probably isn't a reliable fix? |
| [00:03:56] | justinh: | it's possibly something to do with myth not catching up to the channel PIDs being updated |
| [00:04:06] | toad_: | is it definitely a recording issue and not a playback issue? |
| [00:04:18] | justinh: | I dunno. is there an audio track at all? |
| [00:04:21] | iamlindoro: | toad, analog audio outputs? |
| [00:04:36] | justinh: | in the OSD menu do you see the option to select which track to use? |
| [00:04:48] | toad_: | if I press + it says something about audio track 1 |
| [00:04:56] | toad_: | how do i get to OSD? |
| [00:05:03] | iamlindoro: | Bet it would play fine if he were using passthrough |
| [00:05:06] | justinh: | is this on the transcoded recording or the original? |
| [00:05:11] | toad_: | transcoded |
| [00:05:14] | justinh: | iamlindoro: no ac3 in the UK |
| [00:05:19] | justinh: | toad_: it's probably too late then |
| [00:05:22] | iamlindoro: | justinh, ever? Wow. |
| [00:05:35] | toad_: | mplayer thinks there is an audio track |
| [00:05:40] | toad_: | but there is no content on it |
| [00:05:45] | justinh: | toad_: well yeah |
| [00:05:50] | toad_: | and the video is sped up 4x or something |
| [00:05:56] | justinh: | toad_: you need an original recording to nail it down |
| [00:06:43] | toad_: | i could schedule something? |
| [00:06:46] | justinh: | it might just be that the transcode is confuzzled & is ditching the wrong audio track |
| [00:07:19] | toad_: | well, i thought it might have kept the audio description ... but it's not that either, there is no sound at all even in places where there ought to be audio description |
| [00:07:32] | justinh: | well, that's what you might think ;) |
| [00:07:56] | justinh: | there's not always audio on the AD track |
| [00:08:06] | toad_: | the program info said there should be |
| [00:08:19] | justinh: | again, wouldn't take that as gospel either |
| [00:08:25] | toad_: | yeah... |
| [00:08:57] | justinh: | have to say though.. transcoding every show you record? eeew |
| [00:09:14] | justinh: | I've toyed with transcoding a few times & have never been happy with the result |
| [00:09:25] | justinh: | might as well put my VHS back under the TV |
| [00:09:29] | toad_: | i actually have a script to force myth to transcode lots of stuff ... it used to be necessary because myth would forget to transcode almost everything |
| [00:09:38] | toad_: | nah, quality is way better than VHS even with quite low settings |
| [00:09:48] | toad_: | at least way better than *our* VHS's |
| [00:09:53] | justinh: | haha |
| [00:10:04] | ** justinh pats his retired svhs machine ** | |
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| [00:10:40] | toad_: | should i record a programme to test it? |
| [00:10:51] | justinh: | I think it might be that the transcoder got confused & dumped the wrong audio track. the other theories are still possible but less likely IMHO |
| [00:11:24] | justinh: | that'd still be a bug though |
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| [00:11:31] | toad_: | indeed |
| [00:12:59] | toad_: | can i get rid of my transcode-everything script? will mythtv actually remember to transcode stuff now? |
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| [00:14:54] | ** toad_ tells myth to record a program in the same slot tomorrow and not transcode it ... ** | |
| [00:16:43] | toad_: | so that should establish whether it is a problem with transcoding or with recording, at least |
| [00:17:23] | justinh: | aye maybe. can't find where I read about the yet to start up off-air channel thingy |
| [00:17:58] | toad_: | but it was a complaint and not a fix? |
| [00:18:28] | justinh: | aha. it was a ticket http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . mheg;#341965 |
| [00:19:10] | justinh: | that was what I was thinking of, but it doesn't look like your problem |
| [00:20:18] | toad_: | yeah it's a bit different |
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| [01:14:15] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | does this ring any bells with anyone? |
| [01:14:17] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | LOCK TABLES `archiveitems` READ /*!32311 LOCAL */,`callsignnetworkmap` READ /*!32311 LOCAL */,`captu |
| [01:14:39] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | database locking issue with trunk |
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| [01:27:59] | iamlindoro: | Hee hee, I love this new processor, I am playing Planet Earth 1080p untranscoded and it still won't crank up to full speed |
| [01:28:25] | wagnerrp: | as in, its still downclocked because you dont yet need the power? |
| [01:28:45] | iamlindoro: | correct |
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| [01:40:50] | darius_: | Is there a mythtv/linux Live CD for the Playstation 3 that will playback HD? |
| [01:40:58] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [01:41:12] | darius_: | thanks :) |
| [01:41:28] | wagnerrp: | the PS3 hardly has enough memory to be functional |
| [01:41:54] | wagnerrp: | and has anyone yet programmed an open-source SPE based decoder? |
| [01:42:02] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | what monstrosity are you running ial? and when will you be posting pictures? <snicker> |
| [01:42:18] | wagnerrp: | quad-core 3GHz |
| [01:43:00] | iamlindoro: | Running at 4 x 3.6 ATM |
| [01:43:07] | iamlindoro: | my precioussssss |
| [01:44:36] | iamlindoro: | I've been neglecting the downstairs computer because I hadn't re-run the speaker wire but I finally got off my ass and did it this morning |
| [01:44:51] | iamlindoro: | Forgot how nice it is to watch on the big screen with the nicer system |
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| [01:45:02] | iamlindoro: | and what a difference surround sound makes |
| [01:48:30] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | ...oh, proper surround sound can make a (relatively) tiny visual come of like a proper theatre. |
| [01:49:37] | iamlindoro: | I'd probably gone the last three months without watching w/ surround, so nice to have it back. Sometimes it's just a drag to warm up the projector, move downstairs, etc. |
| [01:51:36] | mishehu: | hmm I wonder how I could tweak mythfrontend to run under daemontools... since with the most-recent-via-synaptic version causes mythfrontend on mythbuntu to segfault after exiting from dvd playback... |
| [01:53:11] | Dagmar: | while (1) { mythfrontend } |
| [01:53:35] | Dagmar: | If you read the docs for "daemontools" and you generally get through the day without drooling on yourself too much, it should pose no particular problem |
| [01:55:02] | wagnerrp: | now theres a motto! 'MythTV: mouth-breathers not welcome' |
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| [01:56:29] | Kazan: | any idea why trunk would be prematurely ending recordings |
| [01:57:04] | Dagmar: | Nah, I think he can get it. |
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| [02:39:50] | iamlindoro: | Argh, there is NUFFING on TV tonight |
| [02:40:10] | iamlindoro: | And I will *not* watch Knight Rider, I have my dignity |
| [02:40:37] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend who tried to watch it for kicks |
| [02:40:52] | wagnerrp: | he failed |
| [02:40:57] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [02:42:21] | iamlindoro: | In related news, Why do I pay for Starz? It's like Airplane movies 24/7 |
| [02:44:50] | wagnerrp: | better than 'Teen Movie' and friends |
| [02:47:04] | styelz: | im still recovering from night rider |
| [02:47:20] | styelz: | help me... |
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| [02:54:03] | iamlindoro: | take two Pushing Daisies and call me in the morning |
| [02:57:04] | UniHome: | hey all, I'm trying to get my Sony Wega 36" resolution right on my mythbox and seems no matter what resolution I pick the desktop size is still black-barred on top and bottom |
| [02:58:00] | wagnerrp: | how large are the bars? |
| [02:58:15] | wagnerrp: | typical letterbox size? or just a handful of pixels? |
| [02:58:26] | UniHome: | typical I'd say |
| [02:58:34] | UniHome: | the screen is a 4:3 ratio |
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| [02:58:45] | UniHome: | so on analog or normal SD I get fullscreen |
| [02:58:54] | UniHome: | but no matter what seems myth refuses to try it |
| [03:00:57] | UniHome: | if I use 1920x1080 I get the black bars and everything is so small on the desktop I can't read it. if I use 1280x720 the desktop looks pretty good but it still has black bars |
| [03:01:22] | UniHome: | I'd like to be able to use the full screen and let widescreen shows add the bars when I'm watching |
| [03:02:21] | wagnerrp: | but... the TV is 4:3, why would you use a 16:9 resolution, and why would you use a HD resolution on a SD tube? |
| [03:02:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | UniHome: How is your TV connected to your computer? VGA, Component, S-Video? |
| [03:03:10] | UniHome: | well, that may be my problem wagnerrp. from my googling I thought 1920x1080 or 1280x720 was a full screen, not wide |
| [03:03:33] | UniHome: | J-e-f-f-A_ the DVI > HDMI into the TV |
| [03:03:52] | wagnerrp: | this is a 4:3 tv with HDMI inputs? |
| [03:04:00] | UniHome: | yea, |
| [03:04:07] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [03:04:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A that's a new one for me... ** | |
| [03:04:32] | UniHome: | I thought it was a fairly normal thing |
| [03:04:43] | UniHome: | it just auto black bars when you get HD content |
| [03:04:50] | UniHome: | Sony Wega 36" CRT |
| [03:05:26] | wagnerrp: | it black-bars if you get 16:9 content |
| [03:05:34] | wagnerrp: | its got nothing to do with HD vs. SD |
| [03:05:39] | UniHome: | right, sorry |
| [03:06:22] | UniHome: | so what would the resolution be for 4:3 ? |
| [03:06:30] | wagnerrp: | 640x480 |
| [03:06:53] | UniHome: | I've tried that and fluxbox goes into a virtual desktop where you have to mouse around |
| [03:07:07] | UniHome: | everything is too big to even see |
| [03:07:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | or 1024x768 or 1280x1024, etc... |
| [03:07:28] | wagnerrp: | thats because that resolution is almost worthless for use on a computer |
| [03:07:39] | UniHome: | and none of those are available according to the nvidia driver |
| [03:08:03] | UniHome: | it skips from 800x600 which looks like crap, to 1280x720 |
| [03:08:15] | UniHome: | then into the 1440s |
| [03:08:22] | UniHome: | and they're all wide |
| [03:09:41] | wagnerrp: | your TV is a standard resolution tube, you have no purpose outputting at more than 480 lines |
| [03:10:10] | UniHome: | I can use the 1920x1080 and it does work fine, it's just not fullscreen of course |
| [03:10:25] | UniHome: | and I can't read anything on the desktop, just myth looks good |
| [03:10:26] | wagnerrp: | it may be a better option to use component, and grab some 480p modeline (if the tv is even progressive) |
| [03:10:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It's a HD set, has a built-in atsc tuner: http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KD-36XS955-36-Inch . . . p/B00067AXYU |
| [03:10:52] | UniHome: | lemme dig the xorg log back up and see what other modes it's offering, there's a crap load of them |
| [03:11:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Quite a strange beast, I hadn't heard of it before. |
| [03:11:32] | UniHome: | that's it J-e-f-f-A_ |
| [03:11:43] | UniHome: | it's a couple years old now |
| [03:12:02] | UniHome: | must be why I'm having so much trouble finding anything on google |
| [03:12:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's apparently capable of 720p, an accepts 1080i |
| [03:12:53] | UniHome: | yea if you use a basically clean xorg.conf and let the nvidia driver use EDID it gets a native res of 1920x1080_60i |
| [03:13:09] | wagnerrp: | is there a 960x720? |
| [03:13:26] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, just use 1440x1080 |
| [03:13:26] | UniHome: | just pulled up ssh, lemme check |
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| [03:16:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I venture to say that it would probably see those as HD (16:10) because of the vertical resolution (720 and 1080)... |
| [03:16:43] | wagnerrp: | i would hope not |
| [03:17:07] | wagnerrp: | ive never heard of 960x720, but i know 1440x1080 is a used resolution for HD 4:3 content |
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| [03:17:30] | UniHome: | it shows 960x720x60 but rejects it because the pixel clock is too high |
| [03:17:40] | UniHome: | no mention of 1440x1080 |
| [03:17:57] | UniHome: | wonder if I could dig up a modeline for it |
| [03:18:19] | wagnerrp: | not for DVI youre not |
| [03:19:21] | UniHome: | http://tinypaste.com/e267c0b |
| [03:21:10] | UniHome: | so I guess I'm not going to come up with anything that will full screen the gui |
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| [03:21:33] | wagnerrp: | can you go into the menu on the TV and force full screen? |
| [03:22:31] | UniHome: | I can do a screen stretch from my remote |
| [03:22:44] | UniHome: | used to do that when I had it hooked up to my winxp box |
| [03:22:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | UniHome: Well, one sec... I think you can set a seperate resolution for the myth gui iirc... set the gui to 800x600, and tv to 1080i... |
| [03:23:09] | UniHome: | oh there's an idea |
| [03:23:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | oh, that would put your 4:3 video in a letterboxed 16:9 though... |
| [03:23:34] | UniHome: | yea but I could scale it |
| [03:23:38] | UniHome: | lemme try that |
| [03:23:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | (and thus in a box in the middle of your screen...) |
| [03:23:41] | wagnerrp: | worse, it would be letterboxed and pillarboxed |
| [03:23:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ exactly, that's what I meant... |
| [03:24:10] | UniHome: | two clicks of my remote wold fix that |
| [03:24:17] | ** UniHome goes to try ** | |
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| [03:26:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | On a similar topic, I've noticed many SD programs seem to be 'squished' if viewed in standard 4:3 mode on my widescreen monitor — I think some of the broadcasters have begun to do 'anamorphic widescreen' broadcasts of 16:9 video in the 4:3 frame to look right when 'stretched'... |
| [03:30:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I've got two Mitsubishi MegaView Plus 37" monitors that hava analog VGA input – They scan natively to 1024x768, but are clearly television grade tubes as they're only clear for text up to 800x600... I use one in my living room with a scaler, S-Video gets up-converted to 480p, looks pretty decent. |
| [03:33:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Sounds like UniHome's tv might actually be a data grade crt though. I can read small text in 1024x768 (ie a shell window) on my Mitsu, but it's not clear... Still makes for a stunning quality video picture, much clearer than a standard tv (due to the scan conversion, no interlace) |
| [03:33:50] | UniHome: | nope, only res that gives me full screen on fluxbox is 720x480 and everything is too big to use |
| [03:34:08] | UniHome: | if I set myth to 800x600 it looks like crap |
| [03:34:48] | UniHome: | so I'm going to have to just stick to 1920x1080i and deal with not being able to use the full screen |
| [03:35:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | UniHome: You can set the gui resolution within myth for the menus iirc... let me check the frontend... |
| [03:35:12] | wagnerrp: | you have to use a desktop? |
| [03:35:24] | UniHome: | no |
| [03:35:34] | UniHome: | well |
| [03:35:56] | wagnerrp: | i mean, theres no reason to be concerned with fluxbox unless you plan to do things other than run mythtv |
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| [03:36:07] | UniHome: | I have the box set up so that it also starts miro so I can alt-tab between them |
| [03:36:17] | wagnerrp: | of course i wouldnt like to have a tv capable of HD output, without actually using the HD output |
| [03:36:21] | UniHome: | but no I really don't have to fool with the desktop |
| [03:36:52] | UniHome: | miro is a little hard to see at the high resolution but it's do-able |
| [03:37:46] | UniHome: | I'm going to put my settings back, run the screen setup wizard to get the gui back into place and let it be. |
| [03:39:30] | UniHome: | ok while I'm here, anybody know a way to actually stop xscreensaver. I've tried disabling it but it still keeps coming up |
| [03:40:15] | clev: | you could just get out the axe and kill -9 the thing:P |
| [03:40:20] | clev: | or uninstall it |
| [03:41:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | UniHome: Humm... Sorry, I had thought the "Appearance" "Screen Settings" "Use GUI Size for TV Playback" would have switched the resolution for the gui, but it doesn't look that way... |
| [03:43:23] | UniHome: | it actually reset the fluxbox size, using xrandr |
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| [03:52:47] | CLoo: | How do you configure the UPnP server on myth? For example, how can I add content? |
| [03:53:11] | wagnerrp: | the upnp server is not configured |
| [03:53:14] | CLoo is now known as FL325K | |
| [03:53:30] | wagnerrp: | it either 'just works', or it doesnt |
| [03:53:34] | FL325K: | I'm trying to stream video to my XBox |
| [03:53:38] | wagnerrp: | recordings should show up automatically |
| [03:53:40] | FL325K: | I have the right encoding |
| [03:53:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | CLoo / FL325K You can't configure it — just add videos to mythtv... |
| [03:53:58] | wagnerrp: | music, video, and pictures come from mythmusic, mythvideo, and mythgallery, respectively |
| [03:54:19] | FL325K: | how do I get a transcoded file to show up? |
| [03:54:28] | FL325K: | should that be automatic too? |
| [03:54:50] | wagnerrp: | if it shows up in your recorded programs list, it should automatically show up in the upnp server |
| [03:55:15] | FL325K: | I transcoded it externally to Myth |
| [03:55:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | If you already added them, you can force the upnp server to re-scan for new stuff via "mythbackend --upnprebuild" |
| [03:55:47] | FL325K: | if I add a job to transcode, will it show up in the recorded programs? |
| [03:55:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | FL325K: – and that assumes that your transcoded file is in your configured 'videos' directory. |
| [03:56:16] | FL325K: | J-e-f-f-A: ok thanks, I'll try that |
| [03:57:01] | UniHome: | ok got it all scaled back to 1920x1080, looks good |
| [03:57:19] | UniHome: | oh and disabled screensaver in /.fluxbox/apps |
| [03:57:36] | UniHome: | nite all and thanks for the help |
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| [03:58:42] | FL325K: | Is this error normal ? "UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap – no VideoStartupDir set, skipping scan." |
| [03:59:56] | wagnerrp: | thats because you have not configured mythvideo |
| [04:01:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ exactly... |
| [04:02:13] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks the new "Knight Rider" sucks compared to the original series.... ** | |
| [04:02:23] | justinh: | well it would, wouldn't it? |
| [04:02:30] | justinh: | without the Hoff |
| [04:04:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | It might be different if it was an 'update', with new character names, etc, not keeping the same names, etc... Plus they had to use a FORD?!? EEK! |
| [04:05:37] | wagnerrp: | did i see right in the 'specs', that the mustang can decelerate from 300mph to 0mph in 12ft? |
| [04:05:46] | wagnerrp: | supposedly |
| [04:06:06] | justinh: | killing the driver no doubt :P |
| [04:06:14] | wagnerrp: | that was my concern |
| [04:06:42] | wagnerrp: | KITT now transforms into a F-150 as well |
| [04:06:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: probably with the help of some sort of "Turbo Boost" or Rockets... |
| [04:07:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, I noticed that... Must have to compete with "Transformers".... |
| [04:07:35] | wagnerrp: | at least Viper did something somewhat reasonable. they would jack up the car, and blow up the tires. instant monster truk |
| [04:07:45] | iamlindoro: | Not to worry, the new Knight Rider is suitably Hasselhoffian from what I hear |
| [04:07:49] | iamlindoro: | actingwise, anyway |
| [04:07:53] | justinh: | well, as kids get more sophisticated & the writers get less new ideas it's bound to happen |
| [04:08:29] | wagnerrp: | touch-enabled HUDs on the windscreen |
| [04:08:49] | wagnerrp: | i dont know about you, but my windshield is well out of my reach while in the car |
| [04:09:10] | justinh: | wagnerrp: Michael Knight never needed a touchscreen! |
| [04:09:24] | justinh: | these new pretenders eh. pfft |
| [04:09:32] | iamlindoro: | Defeats the purpose of a voice activated car |
| [04:09:41] | wagnerrp: | kitt is intelligent, he should be able to set all the settings for you |
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| [04:10:45] | wagnerrp: | val kilmer is kitt? oh how far he has fallen... |
| [04:11:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh, so his name is "Michael Tracer"... I guess that's a little different than "Knight"... |
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| [04:12:36] | justinh: | lol |
| [04:13:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | ha... kitt must be driven by wire... he was just turning corners and the steering wheel wasn't turning... |
| [04:15:19] | iamlindoro: | It makes me sad that in spite of the awfulness you are watching it |
| [04:15:49] | iamlindoro: | Amusing fact-- we have TWO rip off remakes of British shows competing against one another in the same time slot this week |
| [04:15:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: At this point I'm just watching it to see how pathetic it is... |
| [04:16:03] | iamlindoro: | Eleventh Hour/Life on Mars |
| [04:17:21] | iamlindoro: | Wonder how close stoth is to getting the HVR-2250 driver working, I want to buy a new PCIe tuner and I'm tempted |
| [04:17:54] | wagnerrp: | kitt has high speed internet, shit yeah! |
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| [04:20:02] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | the new knight rider tries to take itself to seriously. |
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| [04:21:26] | wagnerrp: | KITT is primarily solar powered. based off the size of the car, that gives KITT roughly 5hp |
| [04:21:32] | wagnerrp: | the muscle car returns! |
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| [04:24:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, and Kitt now launches from a cargo plane, what ever happened to the semi truck??? |
| [04:24:41] | wagnerrp: | how does it get in/out of the cargo plane? |
| [04:25:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: through the loading ramp on the back... on the runway... |
| [04:25:21] | wagnerrp: | while the plane is moving? |
| [04:25:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yes. |
| [04:25:40] | wagnerrp: | jackie chan did it first |
| [04:25:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | The original Knight Rider did it while the truck was moving... |
| [04:26:44] | wagnerrp: | so did jackie chan, with Jaws as the navigator |
| [04:27:04] | GreyFoxx: | Hah Cannonball run :) |
| [04:27:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I like Jackie Chan... ;-) ^^ C.R. was/is one of my favorite movies... and War Games too... classics! |
| [04:28:19] | wagnerrp: | ah, jaws was the driver, jackie was the navigator/engineer |
| [04:29:16] | iamlindoro: | Speaking of Jaws, 6 James Bond movies on Bluray in two weeks, yay! |
| [04:29:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | re: Knight Rider... Oh, jeeze, I guess "Michael Tracer" was killed in this episode, and he's now "Michael Knight"... Ugh... It's like the original series never happened... Ok, I officially am totally turned off the new series now... |
| [04:30:04] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and Firefly in a few weeks too |
| [04:30:08] | GreyFoxx: | j-e: No, Michael Knight was his dad, he's just taking the same name his dad took in the previous show |
| [04:30:24] | GreyFoxx: | though I don't remember his dads original name in the original show |
| [04:30:48] | iamlindoro: | Eff this, get me some Airwolf 2008 |
| [04:31:22] | iamlindoro: | duh duh DUHDUHDUHDUH DUHDUHDUHDUH du-du-du-duu du-duuuu |
| [04:32:05] | cesman: | GreyFoxx: Michael Arthur Long |
| [04:32:12] | GreyFoxx: | Long, right |
| [04:32:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Ah, well that's probably true... but it just seems like a total rip-off of the original series, and has so many technical inaccuracies... and not just the futeristic stuff.... it's not at all convincing to me... |
| [04:32:48] | GreyFoxx: | J-e: It's TV, and not suppose to be accurate :) |
| [04:32:56] | GreyFoxx: | hell, kitt is a bloody transformer :) |
| [04:33:10] | GreyFoxx: | Waiting for Robot mode to come along :) |
| [04:33:15] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezDIPDVH-IE |
| [04:34:02] | iamlindoro: | *My* show had ernest borgnine |
| [04:34:03] | GreyFoxx: | hehe man I remember that show :) |
| [04:34:22] | GreyFoxx: | and the helicopter could do like Mach 8 or something |
| [04:34:24] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [04:34:27] | iamlindoro: | hahah, yeah |
| [04:34:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I wasn't too impressed with the original Kitt's "Persuit Mode"... just way too fake. At least most of the other stuff was perceivable, with the possible exception of the 'turbo boost' mode.... |
| [04:35:11] | GreyFoxx: | he's a transformer who can turn into 2 types of cars, a 4x4 truck and can fly |
| [04:35:19] | GreyFoxx: | all we need is a robot mode :) |
| [04:35:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, Airwolf... I liked that show too. ;-) |
| [04:35:51] | GreyFoxx: | I still like that theme song though heh (Knight Rider) :) |
| [04:36:35] | iamlindoro: | I used to have a great MOD of it |
| [04:36:41] | wagnerrp: | your machine guns had glowing red lights too |
| [04:36:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: me too, on my Amiga... ;-) |
| [04:36:53] | GreyFoxx: | I've g ot a bunch of Bangra music that uses it heh |
| [04:37:17] | iamlindoro: | MODs were worth it for the bitchin' players |
| [04:37:20] | iamlindoro: | with the blinkenlights |
| [04:38:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A just realized what time it is... yikes! Goodnight guys... ;-) ** | |
| [04:38:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A ZZZZzzzzz...... ** | |
| [04:38:59] | iamlindoro: | :O |
| [04:39:05] | iamlindoro: | Why did nobody tell me Robot Chicken was back?? |
| [04:39:33] | GreyFoxx: | Robot Chicken is back |
| [04:39:44] | wagnerrp: | they really could have picked a more menacing helicopter to use |
| [04:39:47] | iamlindoro: | Yay!! |
| [04:40:03] | iamlindoro: | Jesus, there's not enough time to watch all this TV |
| [04:40:11] | iamlindoro: | I should stop trying to keep up and save stuff for the summer |
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| [05:11:41] | justinh: | heh http://vimeo.com/1700732 |
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| [05:44:41] | RyeBrye: | Ok... I think I'm close to getting the SPDIF -> HDMI passthrough to work with MythTV |
| [05:45:05] | RyeBrye: | by close, I mean that I can hear sound on my TV when I click on the test button in the Sound panel in gnome – which means obviously the system can send sound properly through it |
| [05:45:56] | RyeBrye: | mythtv doesn't seem to want to play nice yet though :( |
| [05:54:02] | RyeBrye: | although I wonder if the problem is partly to do with ALSA – I can't get ALSA to make noise if I select it in the list and hit test – only OSS |
| [06:05:57] | clev: | RyeBrye: then set mythtv to use oss :P |
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| [07:49:57] | ** cesman watches the rubbish that is Clone Wars... ** | |
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| [07:53:55] | eike: | hi, i've got a lan-frontend. the connection goot (8mb/sec), but the picture stutters. what can i do to improve the playback? |
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| [07:57:36] | eike: | the sound is fine, but i only get a new picture every second |
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| [08:13:31] | trumee: | guys, i have a Hauppauge HVR 1110 card which has a S-video in. I have a STB connected to this S-video in. I define the S-video source in mythtv-setup but i am puzzled about channels. My STB will manage all the channels, so i dont want to define any channel in mythtv. Until now i was using tvtime to view things on S-video. How can i use mythtv? |
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| [08:19:19] | mchou: | trumee: if you intend to used mythtv as pvr then you must let mythtv manage the STB, not the other way around |
| [08:20:49] | mchou: | trumee: mythtv is not really meant for use for "live tv" |
| [08:20:56] | trumee: | mchou, my stb is dreambox. My first step is to actually view whatever the stb is broadcasting on S-video. is that possible? |
| [08:21:45] | mchou: | it's possible, but like I said myth is not meant for that |
| [08:22:07] | mchou: | continue using tvtime if you want to do that |
| [08:22:31] | trumee: | mchou, i am also using myth to view dvb channels as well. So i wanted only one interface to watch a) dvb and b) svideo. |
| [08:23:16] | mchou: | trumee: so? use mplayer then. displays both tv and dvb |
| [08:23:58] | trumee: | mchou, you are right. it is possible but myth is so much more fun than mplayer |
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| [08:24:52] | trumee: | mchou, i have just started with myth. and i can see so many plugins for that. it is so much better than vanilla mplayer |
| [08:25:08] | mchou: | yeah whatever |
| [08:25:49] | trumee: | mchou, do i need to define a channel for s-video? |
| [08:26:20] | mchou: | read the mythtv docs |
| [08:26:32] | trumee: | mchou, great help |
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| [08:38:24] | eike: | hi, i've got a lan-frontend. the connection goot (8mb/sec), but the picture stutters. what can i do to improve the playback? the sound is fine, but i only get a new picture every second. |
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| [10:46:25] | clev: | this is weird, 264 in a .avi |
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| [11:17:26] | fish_: | re |
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| [11:24:35] | oobe: | iamlindoro, i have been using your mythvideo metacleanup.sh for a few months now and i really like it i was waiting for somthing like this to exist i search everywhere last year and couldnt find exactly what i was looking for this is great thanks a lot and good work |
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| [11:46:50] | JustJimWillDo: | bibi |
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| [12:05:22] | Saviq: | hi guys, any idea why the connection between my FE and BE would 'stuck' after a s2ram / resume? after resuming I can watch recordings, but to watch livetv I need to restart mythfrontend... |
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| [12:21:49] | pac1: | saviq, what's in your log files? |
| [12:22:07] | Saviq: | of the frontend? one sec |
| [12:23:50] | Saviq: | I'll have to get back to You in some 10 minutes or so as this probably needs some time-out to occur |
| [12:24:03] | Saviq: | and a fast suspend / resume doesn't seem to be affected |
| [12:25:17] | Saviq: | I'd say it's the tcp connection that's hanging, maybe I should ifdown / ifup 'around' the suspend/resume |
| [12:27:01] | pac1: | I'm in the middle of setting up my wintv-hvr1250 |
| [12:27:31] | pac1: | getting tveeprom 0–0050: Encountered bad packet header [ff]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom. |
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| [12:34:51] | pac1: | support may not be in my kernel. |
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| [12:37:09] | olejl_: | I get the following errer when trying to add a capture card "Frontend ID: Could not get card info for card subtype: Unknown error" |
| [12:37:39] | olejl_: | I had this working a couple of months ago, I dont know what happened in the meantime... |
| [12:38:25] | olejl_: | running svn by the way |
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| [12:54:22] | C0p3rn1c: | I installed mythtv on ubuntu but there is a database problem and I checked mysql and there is no mythconverg database, I also can't find /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql |
| [12:55:34] | C0p3rn1c: | to setup the database manually |
| [12:55:48] | C0p3rn1c: | any idea's on how to fix it ? |
| [12:56:03] | C0p3rn1c: | brb |
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| [12:59:03] | eike: | hi, i've got a lan-frontend. the connection goot (8mb/sec), but the picture stutters. what can i do to improve the playback? the sound is fine, but i only get a new picture every second. |
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| [13:05:03] | justinh: | try mythfrontend -v playback & look to see what the resulting output in a terminal is saying |
| [13:05:46] | C0p3rn1c: | where can I find mc.sql on a ubuntu mythtv install? |
| [13:05:53] | justinh: | eike: is the machine even fast enough to play video? got the right video drivers installed? |
| [13:06:26] | justinh: | C0p3rn1c: I'm not sure there is one. The ubuntu packages are supposed to set things up for you |
| [13:06:39] | C0p3rn1c: | well it dident :s |
| [13:06:49] | justinh: | C0p3rn1c: check out the community documentation for mythtv in ubuntu's community docs section |
| [13:07:17] | C0p3rn1c: | justinh: ok I will |
| [13:08:10] | justinh: | anyway, it should be as simple as just creating the database yourself & setting a mysql user's database usage privileges to allow accessing it |
| [13:08:27] | justinh: | see the official mythtv docs if you want to go down that route |
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| [13:08:43] | C0p3rn1c: | pfff |
| [13:09:15] | justinh: | nevermind pff |
| [13:09:25] | C0p3rn1c: | justinh: sorry |
| [13:09:37] | justinh: | FYI mc.sql can be found here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/18549/branc . . . abase/mc.sql |
| [13:09:57] | C0p3rn1c: | justinh: ok thx |
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| [13:11:22] | C0p3rn1c: | but the user isnt created in that script so I guess I will have to do that manually |
| [13:12:31] | justinh: | how have you installed mythtv ? |
| [13:13:05] | C0p3rn1c: | sudo apt-get install mythtv |
| [13:13:14] | justinh: | using apt or synaptic should have resulted in all that being done for you. it's pretty much impossible for it to go wrong unless you immediately dismiss the popup messages without reading them |
| [13:13:14] | C0p3rn1c: | I don't remember exactly |
| [13:13:23] | Scopeuk: | C0p3rn1c you could try dpkg-reconfigure mythtv |
| [13:13:35] | C0p3rn1c: | ok thx |
| [13:13:46] | justinh: | vloody heck there's a blast from the past Scopeuk :-O |
| [13:13:54] | Scopeuk: | yeh |
| [13:14:08] | Scopeuk: | hi |
| [13:14:12] | justinh: | decided life without this channel was too interesting? ;) |
| [13:14:58] | Scopeuk: | took my irc client off startup and this happens |
| [13:15:08] | C0p3rn1c: | I still don't see the database :S |
| [13:15:15] | Scopeuk: | got bored yesterday and setup an irc bouncer on out mythbox |
| [13:15:22] | C0p3rn1c: | after the reconfigure |
| [13:15:34] | justinh: | C0p3rn1c: pastebin the exact error messages you get |
| [13:16:14] | C0p3rn1c: | well when I trie to use the mythtv frontend |
| [13:16:30] | C0p3rn1c: | I get the error: "cannot login to database?" |
| [13:16:56] | C0p3rn1c: | and when I check in mysql -u root -p |
| [13:17:01] | C0p3rn1c: | show databases |
| [13:17:07] | C0p3rn1c: | I don't see it in there |
| [13:17:17] | justinh: | hrm |
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| [13:17:50] | C0p3rn1c: | maybe I enterd the wrong mysql root login |
| [13:17:53] | C0p3rn1c: | on installation |
| [13:17:55] | justinh: | you shouldn't have to but try mysql -u root -p < mc.sql (which you can now you have mc.sql) |
| [13:18:45] | justinh: | and of course enter your password or use mysql -u root -pPASSWORD where 'PASSWORD' is the password (note the lack of a space between -p and PASSWORD) |
| [13:18:52] | C0p3rn1c: | yeah |
| [13:18:56] | C0p3rn1c: | it worked |
| [13:19:04] | C0p3rn1c: | here goes nothing |
| [13:19:38] | C0p3rn1c: | still can't login because the user doesnt exist I guess |
| [13:20:07] | C0p3rn1c: | I checked in mysql the database exists now |
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| [13:21:22] | ** C0p3rn1c is googling on how to create the user ** | |
| [13:23:03] | C0p3rn1c: | I dident use mysql in a while ... |
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| [13:27:47] | C0p3rn1c: | the script does include the user |
| [13:27:51] | C0p3rn1c: | but not the password |
| [13:28:11] | C0p3rn1c: | set password for mythtv = password('mypass'); |
| [13:28:15] | C0p3rn1c: | doesnt work :S |
| [13:30:46] | C0p3rn1c: | oh wait I have to connect :$ |
| [13:30:47] | C0p3rn1c: | oops |
| [13:30:49] | C0p3rn1c: | :) |
| [13:31:39] | C0p3rn1c: | connect mythconverg |
| [13:31:43] | C0p3rn1c: | dident help |
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| [13:40:25] | C0p3rn1c: | ok I'll try a reinstall then :( |
| [13:42:43] | C0p3rn1c: | it dident change anything :S |
| [13:45:07] | foo8ar: | Hi all. Any OSX frentend users here? |
| [13:45:16] | C0p3rn1c: | It will ask you for a password for the MySQL root user. It is strongly recommended that you leave this blank. Specifying a password here has been known to cause database access problems later on. It may seem insecure, but on your home network should be okay. |
| [13:45:35] | C0p3rn1c: | is a quote from http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php |
| [13:50:59] | AndyCap: | well, leaving the door to your house unlocked will probably be ok 9 times out of 10 too |
| [13:51:32] | AndyCap: | C0p3rn1c: but say it is know to cause problem is pretty horrible. |
| [13:51:48] | C0p3rn1c: | I dident leave it unlocked :) |
| [13:52:46] | C0p3rn1c: | I'm now in the mythtv-setup and by accident I got back into the database configuration dialog |
| [13:52:48] | C0p3rn1c: | :) |
| [13:53:58] | C0p3rn1c: | why is the database non-default port standard selection say [0] |
| [13:54:09] | C0p3rn1c: | does the* |
| [13:54:24] | C0p3rn1c: | oh wait |
| [13:54:30] | C0p3rn1c: | n/m :$ |
| [13:55:55] | C0p3rn1c: | my mistake it was just the non grafical interface to the front end |
| [13:58:43] | oobe: | i keep getting warning unknown program error in mythweb when i try to access recordings only recent recordings the old ones are find also those same recordings do not have display pics they are blank |
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| [13:59:19] | oobe: | i think it might of been when i setup a slave backend then decided to change it back to a frontend only |
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| [14:33:31] | C0p3rn1c: | mc.sql sets your login to mythtv:mythtv, I did not realize that |
| [14:34:02] | C0p3rn1c: | now I don't seem to get this error anymore |
| [14:37:11] | C0p3rn1c: | now when I run "mythfrontend --service" it just exits |
| [14:38:51] | C0p3rn1c: | runnung mythtv-setup again ... |
| [14:40:08] | C0p3rn1c: | ok I'm on my way ... |
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| [14:52:46] | laga: | for those at home keeping score: mythfrontend --service is a wrapper around mythfrontend.real which sets up logging and parses /etc/mythtv/session-settings |
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| [14:54:56] | oobe: | daylight savings has seemed to mess up my recording schedule |
| [14:55:11] | oobe: | everything seems to be scheduled for 1 hr early |
| [14:55:44] | oobe: | well my guide data is saying that everything is starting 1 hr early |
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| [15:04:03] | justinh: | ntp ftw |
| [15:05:11] | oobe: | my system time changed automatically |
| [15:05:26] | oobe: | its just the guide data that has seemed to mess up |
| [15:05:37] | oobe: | i just found out its daylight savings |
| [15:05:48] | oobe: | so my clocks have moved forward 1 hr |
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| [15:06:52] | oobe: | is there anyway i can delete all my guide data and start fresh |
| [15:07:50] | wagnerrp: | delete the guide data and run 'mythfilldatabase --refresh-all' |
| [15:08:33] | wagnerrp: | theres a table in the database that contains the guide data (dont remember what it is off hand) |
| [15:08:38] | wagnerrp: | just flush it |
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| [15:09:33] | justinh: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-all should work |
| [15:15:08] | ** mishehu pees on comcast ** | |
| [15:15:39] | mishehu: | I gawd fcking hate their crappy firewire ports on their boxes. why they even bother putting them in is beyond me. |
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| [15:19:55] | wagnerrp: | if youre going to cuss... just do it |
| [15:26:57] | Kazan: | how good is a minimal updates channel scan of an ATSC source and fixing now-incorrect chanmaps |
| [15:28:14] | Kazan: | wtf? is atsc scan not working on trunk? |
| [15:30:10] | mishehu: | wagnerrp: I did, it was just a typo heh |
| [15:31:35] | mchou: | mishehu: what's so bad about the firewire ports? |
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| [15:42:29] | mishehu: | mchou: 5c/dtcp... |
| [15:43:11] | mishehu: | that and even when I'm going between OTA channels, I seem to lose the port if I accidentally switch to a non-OTA channel... requires a restart of mythbackend. |
| [15:43:28] | mishehu: | wtf is dvd jon when we need something cracked... |
| [15:44:02] | Seb__: | same here, capturing through firewire from digital stb until hdpvr is supported |
| [15:44:36] | mishehu: | Seb__: something tells me that's not likely to solve the problem :-/ |
| [15:45:03] | Seb__: | I know,I meant that I'm using firewire as an interim solution |
| [15:45:07] | mishehu: | nothing like defective-by-design to permeate the world. |
| [15:46:17] | mishehu: | once we move I just might simply cancel my cable service and not reopen it |
| [15:46:21] | Seb__: | and if the wife goes to a channel that sems encrypted, it loses connection big time |
| [15:46:37] | mishehu: | it comes out to around $960/year to not be able to record what I want to record. |
| [15:46:37] | Seb__: | bbl8r |
| [15:47:20] | mishehu: | it's a real shame that the average joe sixpack has no idea how badly he's being ripped by the cable co., and we could never organize a boycott. |
| [15:47:45] | mishehu: | Seb__: what speed do you have your port set at btw – 100, 200, or 400 speed? |
| [15:47:53] | mishehu: | I never know what I'm supposed to use. |
| [15:48:10] | mchou: | mishehu: I dont have any issues switching between OTA to non-OTA channels on firewire |
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| [15:48:32] | mishehu: | mchou: you must live somewhere that isn't using 5c/dtcp? |
| [15:48:33] | mchou: | mishehu: you should check your cable signal strength |
| [15:48:42] | mchou: | mishehu: no, there is 5c |
| [15:49:09] | mishehu: | mchou: I get this, I'm not positive if this is when I lose the connection on the firewire or not -> ieee1394: unsolicited response packet received – no tlabel match |
| [15:49:25] | mchou: | mishehu: low sig strength would account for channel changing iffiness |
| [15:49:51] | mchou: | mishehu: I never get that, so I cant tell you what's going on there |
| [15:50:04] | mishehu: | mchou: cable-to-cable-box or cable-box-to-firewire signal strenght? |
| [15:50:13] | mchou: | mishehu: sounds like your firewire port might be babbling |
| [15:50:22] | mchou: | cable to STB |
| [15:50:24] | mishehu: | mchou: what speed should I have it set at? |
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| [15:51:00] | mchou: | hold on, lemme see what speed |
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| [15:51:45] | mchou: | hah, my datarate is set at 2, based on plugreport |
| [15:52:53] | mishehu: | hmm. plugreport not installed on mythbuntu. what does 2 mean? 200? |
| [15:53:44] | mchou: | probably |
| [15:55:43] | mishehu: | mchou: I think the signal strenght report by mythtv when switch channels was "signal strenght 100%, (L__) Partial Lock" |
| [15:55:50] | mishehu: | that was on the non-OTA channel. |
| [15:56:10] | mishehu: | after a few runs, I have to restart the backend. |
| [15:56:35] | mishehu: | myhthweb doesn't let me change the config of the capture card, so I'll have to hop to the other room and see what speed it's set at. |
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| [16:02:04] | mchou: | mishehu: I dont think the sig strngth reported by myth when you have your firewire set up is not the coax cable signal strength |
| [16:02:53] | mchou: | there is no way your cable sig strength would ever be 100% |
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| [16:19:57] | xsdv260: | can someone help me with my audio sync problem? |
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| [16:20:44] | xsdv260: | my audio is way ahead of the video |
| [16:22:48] | xsdv260: | ? |
| [16:24:48] | iamlindoro: | need MOAR MEGAHURTZ |
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| [16:26:57] | directhex: | MOAR |
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| [16:58:45] | mkrufky: | I've got mythfrontend running on a machine with three heads, and it always wants to start on the middle screen. is there a way i can specify which of three screens for myth to run on? (they're all part of a single xinerama desktop) |
| [16:59:04] | mkrufky: | i want myth to run on the rightmost screen |
| [16:59:31] | AndyCap: | mkrufky: there's an option for which xineramascreen in the menus somewhere |
| [16:59:47] | AndyCap: | or rather which X screen. xinerama or not |
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| [16:59:50] | mkrufky: | cool, i'll search for that |
| [17:00:01] | lucidblue: | hey all, I have my myth setup with a pvr-350 using just the tuner for analog cable... I'd like to add the svideo-in so I can do PC-out to that, any ideas on the easiest way? |
| [17:00:11] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, Hey there |
| [17:00:15] | mkrufky: | hey iamlindoro |
| [17:00:25] | lucidblue: | ideally I'd like to make it a 'channel' or something I can just switch to |
| [17:00:46] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, on an off-topis note (and only because I haven't seen him in a bit), do you have any idea of how close stoth is to releasing the HVR-2250 driver? I was thinking of picking one up |
| [17:00:56] | iamlindoro: | er off-topic |
| [17:01:18] | mkrufky: | i cant speak on his behalf.... but... |
| [17:01:39] | mkrufky: | well, i guess he usually tells me when there's something exciting going on with his new drivers |
| [17:01:59] | Seb__: | mishehu : sorry for the delay (eating) my speed is at 100 |
| [17:02:13] | mkrufky: | last i heard, things were very close to the point where i will jump in soon an tweak the tuners & demodulators.... i dont think transport is ready yet though |
| [17:02:15] | iamlindoro: | I figure if there's any chance of seeing one in the next few weeks/month I would go with that |
| [17:02:24] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: there is a chance |
| [17:02:32] | iamlindoro: | hmm, ok, thanks |
| [17:02:40] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: but i wouldnt count on it for i guess half a year or so .... but thats JUST a guess |
| [17:02:45] | lucidblue: | any ideas on my issue? a howto would be fine, but I can't find anything specific to my purpose in google |
| [17:03:00] | mkrufky: | for all i know, maybe hes closer than that. all the s2api stuff took presidence lately |
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| [17:03:19] | mkrufky: | lucidblue: you should be able to set up the pvr350's svideo / composite inputs in myth |
| [17:03:34] | mkrufky: | lucidblue: i dont know the specifics, but i believe that is a rather straight-forward operation |
| [17:03:56] | mkrufky: | lucidblue: there are some helpful wiki links in the channel topic |
| [17:04:25] | lucidblue: | mkrufky: my current setup is using the tuner as the input and the composite as output, which works great, I just wanted to 'add' the ability to use the svideo in — I'm unsure if you can only use one or the other.. |
| [17:04:49] | mkrufky: | you should be able to use svideo input, but not at the same time as recording something from the tuner |
| [17:05:18] | mkrufky: | those pvr 350's are good cards... its too bad i dont think they're being made anymore |
| [17:05:24] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, okay, good to know-- I guess I only *ned* one more QAM tuner, so I guess an HVR-1250 is a safe bet for now |
| [17:05:28] | mchou: | lucidblue: forget it, in myth that would be difficult |
| [17:05:37] | iamlindoro: | er need |
| [17:05:48] | mchou: | lucidblue: you can use 1 input/card in myth |
| [17:05:57] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: i've got a 1250 in my backend box ... its doing very well, so i am happy with it |
| [17:06:28] | mkrufky: | mchou: is that so?? then i stand corrected, im sorry lucidblue |
| [17:06:29] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, Just upgrades to F11 BIOS, by the way, and put a Q9650 in, OCed to 3.6 Ghz(x4) |
| [17:06:36] | lucidblue: | mkrufky: yah, that's fine if I can't record while doing it, but if I can just watch what is coming into svideo, that's all I need... I have netflix and it would save me from having to switch a cable everytime I want to 'watch now' something |
| [17:06:47] | mchou: | lucidblue: asking myth two switch between 3 inputs on 1 card would be unfeasible |
| [17:06:57] | mkrufky: | mchou: why is that? |
| [17:07:14] | Seb__: | About firewire I have a SA 4250hd, and the speed is set to 100 (default) is that ok? |
| [17:07:28] | mkrufky: | mchou: i understand if its currently not supported, but it doesnt sound like a lot of extra work, if lucidblue wants it badly enough |
| [17:07:40] | lucidblue: | mchou: it would only be 2 inputs and is it really that difficult? — is it because each tuner card is set for one input? |
| [17:07:51] | mkrufky: | wow, iamlindoro |
| [17:07:55] | mchou: | mkrufky: cause myth doesnt have a good provision to switch inputs (no idea of what source is tied to which input) |
| [17:08:42] | mkrufky: | so then its not impossible |
| [17:08:44] | lucidblue: | mchou: what about maybe pointing xvid or something to whatever the /dev/videox is?? |
| [17:08:50] | mkrufky: | just not a currently supported feature |
| [17:09:03] | mkrufky: | it can easily be done using v4l2-ctl |
| [17:09:09] | mchou: | lucidblue: I thought you're talking about 1 single card w/ 2 inputs |
| [17:09:23] | mkrufky: | that might piss off mythbackend if it realizes what happens, but it probably wont even know the difference |
| [17:09:52] | mchou: | mkrufky: it's not a v4l limitation, it's strictly a myth limitation |
| [17:10:31] | lucidblue: | I'm using one 350 and currently the tuner input — just want to beable to show the s-video in to the screen — not even record |
| [17:10:32] | mkrufky: | it sounds like you're not wrong... i just hate to tell people its a limitation when they could probably write a few pages of code to make it possible |
| [17:10:55] | mkrufky: | anyway, im not about to write said code, lol .... so i guess my point doesnt matter :-O |
| [17:11:00] | mkrufky: | :-P ... i meant |
| [17:11:45] | lucidblue: | I don't mind if it's difficult, — even if I have to ssh in and make vlc read from /dev/videoX and then just kill it when done |
| [17:12:35] | mchou: | lucidblue: I dont even understand your request |
| [17:12:51] | mchou: | lucidblue: I mean what's the use case here? |
| [17:13:17] | mchou: | myth is mean as pvr |
| [17:13:23] | lucidblue: | I have an s-video in on the TV, so I can just go out to the laptop into the TV, but then I've gotta unplug the composite in each time... I'd like to be able to leave that plugged in and just run it through the 350 so I'm not uplugging cables each time |
| [17:13:40] | mchou: | and as such you dont switch inputs willy nilly |
| [17:14:14] | mchou: | meant* |
| [17:14:39] | mchou: | I still dont get it |
| [17:15:06] | mchou: | you're not referring to input but to 350's output...... |
| [17:15:39] | mkrufky: | he wants to use the svideo as if it were a channel |
| [17:15:48] | mkrufky: | ie: sometimes he'll use the television input |
| [17:15:53] | lucidblue: | mchou: I have myth working great with the tuner input.. what I want is to just use the svideo in on the 350 card to show on the TV so I can do pc out.. easily with my current setup |
| [17:15:57] | mkrufky: | sometimes he'll "change the channel" to the svideo input |
| [17:15:57] | mchou: | mkrufky: I'm not sure that's what he is saying |
| [17:16:22] | mkrufky: | thats my understanding |
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| [17:17:04] | lucidblue: | for general TV I'd still use the current setup, I only want to use the svideo input to relay my PC-OUT to the TV |
| [17:17:26] | mchou: | lol |
| [17:17:32] | mchou: | this is crazy |
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| [17:17:35] | lucidblue: | maybe it's not a myth issue and I just need to make something 'stream' from that input..? |
| [17:18:14] | mchou: | lucidblue: you're seriously CONFUSED |
| [17:18:15] | lucidblue: | mchou: I don't get why it's so crazy... if it were input from a sat box it could still be an issue.. |
| [17:18:26] | lucidblue: | mchou: haha I don't doubt that |
| [17:18:57] | mchou: | 350 has output. so does your lappy via svideo |
| [17:19:15] | lucidblue: | yes |
| [17:19:37] | mchou: | hook lappy's svideo out to tv. what's the problem? |
| [17:19:42] | mchou: | lol |
| [17:20:22] | lucidblue: | the TV can only use 1 input plugged in at a time (cheap tv), so I have to uplug the composite everytime I plug in s-video, it sucks |
| [17:20:46] | mchou: | the 350 doesnt help you in that case |
| [17:21:04] | mchou: | afaik 350 has only vga out, correct? |
| [17:21:17] | lucidblue: | -- and I DO mean 'plug in' — as soon as I plug in the s-video it'll go grey |
| [17:21:27] | mchou: | sigh |
| [17:25:08] | mchou: | lucidblue: you dont use myth to solve this 'issue' |
| [17:25:38] | mchou: | you use an input switcher to solve this |
| [17:25:43] | mchou: | end of story |
| [17:25:51] | GreyFoxx: | the pvr350? has Svideo/composite out, no vga |
| [17:26:15] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: ok, maybe I was confused :) |
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| [17:27:29] | mchou: | in any case using myth and 350 as svideo passthru is RIDICULOUS |
| [17:28:03] | mchou: | http://www.radioshack.com/sm-4-way-audio-vide . . . 2049645.html |
| [17:28:16] | mchou: | buy one of these and move on |
| [17:28:29] | mkrufky: | actually... |
| [17:28:42] | mkrufky: | if you just want svideo passthru, there is a mode you can put the card in |
| [17:28:50] | mkrufky: | without any software application running |
| [17:28:56] | mkrufky: | check out the ivtv utilities. |
| [17:29:18] | mkrufky: | mchou is right, in that you dont want myth doing that work |
| [17:29:24] | mkrufky: | the hardware can do it all by itself |
| [17:29:47] | justinh: | with or without encoder/decoder lag? ;) |
| [17:30:08] | mkrufky: | using the hardware passthru mode entails the least possible amount of lag |
| [17:30:24] | mkrufky: | i dont think it has an encode / decode phase when using the hardware passthru mode |
| [17:30:36] | mkrufky: | it simply takes the inputs and passes it to the outputs |
| [17:30:41] | mkrufky: | (of the cx23415) |
| [17:31:12] | justinh: | nifty |
| [17:31:17] | mkrufky: | yeah |
| [17:31:32] | mkrufky: | i want to see this kind of stuff on HD encoders .... nobody is selling that kind of thing yet |
| [17:31:34] | laga: | or get a simple scart switch ;) |
| [17:31:55] | mkrufky: | ie: an HD encoder / decoder that allows a short circuit direct pass-thru |
| [17:31:58] | mkrufky: | that would be hot :-) |
| [17:32:43] | mkrufky: | i guess it doesnt really pay for consumer electronics, anyway |
| [17:35:00] | mchou: | why ppl expect myth to be be all end all I'll never understand |
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| [17:35:40] | mchou: | a myth box is might expensive svideo passthru! :) |
| [17:35:49] | mchou: | mighty* |
| [17:36:12] | mkrufky: | myth rocks, its just hard for people to realize that although it does a lot, its not the answer to every question |
| [17:36:37] | roz_: | I have 3 similar-performance systems. We're talking like athlon XP 1600 range. I have a test 1080 HD Stream from the PCHTDV website "tst.ts". On two machines it plays just fine, on the other 1, its all choppy. |
| [17:36:43] | mchou: | yeah, that's an understatement :) |
| [17:36:44] | justinh: | but... but... but... but.. ;) |
| [17:37:17] | mkrufky: | roz_: graphics cards are an inportant factor, there |
| [17:37:27] | roz_: | I think it is the fact that the 2 machines its working in have Geforce 3 or Geforce 4 video cards. The other 1 is an ATI |
| [17:37:47] | roz_: | an ATI 9600 I believe |
| [17:37:55] | mkrufky: | ah... this is probably more of a question of driver quality rather than hardware quality |
| [17:38:01] | justinh: | and there's the rub right there |
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| [17:38:09] | Kazan: | ok.. i have a problem |
| [17:38:14] | Kazan: | using current trunk as of this morning |
| [17:38:19] | Kazan: | mythvideo isn't finding any of my videos |
| [17:38:24] | roz_: | i note that I am not using XVMC on the NVidia machines |
| [17:38:24] | Kazan: | and i ge the following errors in frontend: 2008-10–05 12:36:08.385 Warning: container 'mythvideo' is missing child 'novideos' |
| [17:38:24] | Kazan: | 2008-10–05 12:36:08.385 Warning: container 'mythvideo' is missing child 'videolevel' |
| [17:38:35] | iamlindoro: | you are using an incompatible theme |
| [17:38:38] | roz_: | just plain ol XV |
| [17:38:45] | iamlindoro: | you need to rm or rename video-ui.xml from your theme |
| [17:38:50] | iamlindoro: | it's not compatible with the new mythvideo |
| [17:38:54] | justinh: | roz_: yeah – and xv is often missing from ati drivers |
| [17:39:28] | lucidblue: | mchou: I'll look at the passthrough thing, but any ideas how that would efect the Xorg using the pvr's composite out? |
| [17:39:30] | justinh: | Kazan: stop using out of date themes |
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| [17:40:04] | roz_: | justinh, mkrufky I had to "force" it on in the xorg.conf file, but it was no faster than using GL for video rendering |
| [17:40:05] | justinh: | as for which themes are up to date for use with trunk.. that'd mostly be the core themes I think |
| [17:40:08] | mchou: | lucidblue: it shouldnt affect anything |
| [17:40:21] | Kazan: | justinh: i figured that was it |
| [17:40:35] | ** Kazan goes and switches themes ** | |
| [17:40:41] | roz_: | justinh, mkrufky So are the ATI drivers just screwed up that bad? |
| [17:40:51] | mkrufky: | i think so, yes |
| [17:40:56] | justinh: | roz_: YMMV |
| [17:41:00] | lucidblue: | mchou: okay, I'll look at it, but as it is, the frontend uses the composite output .. but maybe the passthrough just allows the svideo to be used?? eh.. I'll look at it, thanks for the input |
| [17:41:24] | justinh: | people who report success with ATI drivers are still very much in the minority around here. That much is a fact |
| [17:42:02] | mkrufky: | i am having a much better time with the ati open source drivers ... fglrx doesnt do anything that i need it to do at all |
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| [17:42:27] | mkrufky: | i am very pleased with the nvidia drivers that im using here |
| [17:42:39] | mkrufky: | although i wish it was open source |
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| [17:42:46] | mkrufky: | (just had to say that last part) |
| [17:42:47] | roz_: | justinh, mkrufky are the newer NVidia cards OK still with it (geforce 5, 6, 7, 8 series) I note they use different drivers than the older ones? I dont want to spend 50–100$ on a video card to find out that it doesnt work for HD Video playback |
| [17:43:02] | mkrufky: | i recommend the nvidia 8600 's |
| [17:43:08] | mkrufky: | but they should all be good |
| [17:43:36] | mkrufky: | i have a 9800 and an 8600 and a 8500 ... im happy with all 3, although i'll probably never be able to use most of the features on the newer cards |
| [17:43:39] | roz_: | I know the geforce 2's use way old drivers and they had the XV support, but did not work with HD |
| [17:44:03] | mkrufky: | i like the fact that 8600"s and newer have hardware h264 decode capability..... but we can not count on linux support for that anytime soon |
| [17:44:16] | roz_: | rim sittin on some pretty archaic HW at the moment LOL |
| [17:44:21] | roz_: | I am* |
| [17:44:22] | Kazan: | justinh: name one that is up to date |
| [17:44:33] | Kazan: | justinh: because i just went though half of the ones installed on my system and all have the same issue |
| [17:44:47] | roz_: | mkrufky, have you heard if they are working on it? |
| [17:45:00] | mkrufky: | roz_: the fx5200 does a good job in all my older systems, but for 1080i with deinterlacing, you might need a nice cpu also |
| [17:45:02] | Kazan: | not showing any of my videos |
| [17:45:41] | mkrufky: | roz_: i wouldnt know... i know that they have a binary driver, so one would think that they would want to enable all the features they can in their binary driver.... but we can only hope |
| [17:46:08] | roz_: | I guess 8600s aren't available in AGP |
| [17:46:53] | mkrufky: | i think the last agp geforce cards were the 7000 series |
| [17:46:56] | Dagmar: | Of course they're not |
| [17:46:58] | mkrufky: | and those are decent also |
| [17:47:16] | mkrufky: | 7300 / 7600 i hear both do a decent job |
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| [17:47:38] | roz_: | OK I will look into them after I get the HD Tuner card next week. |
| [17:47:46] | roz_: | I wooted the pinnacle HD |
| [17:48:10] | mkrufky: | which one? |
| [17:48:17] | mkrufky: | we _just_ merged support for one of them |
| [17:48:23] | mkrufky: | but the mini isnt supported yet |
| [17:48:28] | mkrufky: | (and wont be for a while) |
| [17:49:54] | roz_: | mkrufky, they werent too specific: http://www.woot.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=2612865 |
| [17:50:35] | mkrufky: | thats the 800i |
| [17:50:52] | Kazan: | justinh? |
| [17:50:53] | mkrufky: | that is supported in most recent kernels |
| [17:51:25] | roz_: | near as I could tell it does SD and HD, but SD would have to use some CPU encoding method.... but i have a PVR250 for SD |
| [17:51:33] | roz_: | and intend to keep both in |
| [17:51:39] | mkrufky: | yup |
| [17:52:34] | roz_: | How can I get QAM Listings? I cant even find a QAM channel list for my area... I Know what i get on ClearQAM because I have an HDTV |
| [17:52:44] | mkrufky: | use w_scan |
| [17:52:57] | mkrufky: | i added QAM support in august |
| [17:53:24] | mkrufky: | oh, oops... listings? schedules direct has all that |
| [17:53:35] | roz_: | but it doesn't... not that I can see anyway |
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| [17:54:04] | mkrufky: | my computer knows whats on tv because i subscribe to schedules direct |
| [17:54:04] | roz_: | our cable company "doesn't support" QAM even though it works |
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| [17:54:17] | mkrufky: | you just want to find channels? |
| [17:54:34] | roz_: | so sure, I can see whats supposed to on because I can find the corresponding analog channel |
| [17:54:46] | roz_: | but How do I make myth use that station for channel 108–1 |
| [17:55:10] | mkrufky: | you can scan for channels in myth |
| [17:55:19] | roz_: | yep and it will find 108–1 |
| [17:55:28] | roz_: | but schedules direct has no listings for 108–1 |
| [17:55:31] | mchou: | lol |
| [17:55:35] | Dagmar: | SD can doo Google Checkout now? Cool |
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| [17:55:43] | mchou: | sigh. |
| [17:55:50] | jonk: | what's wrong? |
| [17:55:55] | sp00ge: | I'm using SVN Trunk and the new MythVideo but for some reason it ignores my resolution settings and MythVideo seems to run at a fraction of my screensize. Any help in how to change it ? |
| [17:56:08] | mchou: | these questions just amaze me |
| [17:56:18] | mkrufky: | roz_: you figure out which channel it is, then you can use the channel editor in mythweb to set to the channel's XMLID to match the network id in schedules direct |
| [17:56:21] | jonk: | just got here so missed it... |
| [17:56:44] | mchou: | jonk: you get my latest email? |
| [17:56:55] | jonk: | I think I need a new remote for a frontend — what's popular these days? |
| [17:57:03] | mchou: | jonk: no!! |
| [17:57:07] | roz_: | mkrufky, OK I'm sure i never had to do that before because the channels all just lined up. I was just curious where it was |
| [17:57:15] | mchou: | jonk: stop buying more HW |
| [17:57:20] | mkrufky: | roz_: if you want to use mplayer or some other tool to look at these programs before using it in myth, then you'll need a channels.conf file ... you can make one of those using this: http://wirbel.htpc-forum.de/w_scan/w_scan-20080815.tar.bz2 |
| [17:57:21] | jonk: | that depends on what your latest email was |
| [17:57:47] | mchou: | jonk: what's wrong with your existing remote? |
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| [17:58:04] | jonk: | no longer working well ant any range past about 1/2 meter |
| [17:58:11] | roz_: | mkrufky, Thanks a ton for your help |
| [17:58:15] | mchou: | jonk: I'm moving to Houston so I can inherit all your HW :) |
| [17:58:35] | mchou: | jonk: infrared or RF? |
| [17:58:41] | mkrufky: | roz_: you're welcome |
| [17:58:49] | jonk: | RF i believe |
| [17:58:53] | jonk: | snapstream firefly |
| [17:59:00] | jonk: | had it for at least 3 years |
| [17:59:13] | mchou: | jonk: oh lord |
| [17:59:19] | jonk: | ?? |
| [17:59:57] | mchou: | dont every buy remotes that are exclusively RF |
| [18:00:22] | jonk: | then we're back to my original question — what's popular currently for a remote for a frontend |
| [18:00:23] | mchou: | get remotes that do both IR and RF |
| [18:00:55] | mchou: | jonk: plenty of ppl like MSFT MCE remotes |
| [18:00:59] | Dagmar: | Well, a remote that does IR at the very least |
| [18:02:01] | jonk: | nearly bought the MSFT MCE remote today |
| [18:02:17] | jonk: | but hadn't checked whether it would work with lirc before heading to micro center |
| [18:02:18] | mchou: | jonk: or use the remote that came with your Hauppauge cards |
| [18:02:32] | mchou: | MCE remotes dont need lirc |
| [18:02:43] | jonk: | only one that has a remote is the pvr350 which I thougth about adding to the frontend for that very purpose |
| [18:02:44] | mchou: | which is actually a bonus |
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| [18:02:59] | jonk: | bought whitebox 500s and 1600s |
| [18:03:00] | mchou: | MCE remotes uses xevents |
| [18:03:12] | jonk: | also trying to get mymote working |
| [18:03:31] | jonk: | but one thing at a time — rather get the screen right on the frontend first |
| [18:03:36] | mchou: | jonk: you dont need no stinking remote :) |
| [18:03:45] | mchou: | get a joypad |
| [18:03:58] | mchou: | best remote you'll ever own |
| [18:04:33] | mchou: | a wiimote would be ideal |
| [18:04:35] | Kazan: | what does "Default-wide" show up as in the themes menu |
| [18:04:52] | mchou: | jonk: you realize iphone also works as a myth remote? |
| [18:05:15] | Dagmar: | If you have a bluetooth adapter |
| [18:05:21] | mchou: | jonk: in fact iphone as remote is nifty |
| [18:05:53] | mchou: | pfft. no need for bluetooth |
| [18:06:15] | justinh: | Kazan: it doesn't |
| [18:06:15] | jonk: | mchou — have installed mymote but did not get it working |
| [18:06:30] | mchou: | jonk: really?? |
| [18:07:02] | justinh: | Kazan: the files in default-wide are just generic files which any wide theme can use |
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| [18:07:55] | jonk: | yes-- not like i tried very hard |
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| [18:08:36] | mchou: | jonk: you'd have to tell us what exactly on mymote didnt work |
| [18:09:02] | jonk: | i'll keep playing with it first — I can probably get it worked out |
| [18:09:09] | jonk: | just haven't had a chance to do it, |
| [18:09:15] | mchou: | mymote is cool |
| [18:09:40] | ** justinh wonders when the folklore surrounding the pvr350 is going to end ** | |
| [18:10:10] | sphery: | folklore? You mean about it having "the best" TV out quality? |
| [18:10:36] | mchou: | haha. That WAS true in the very distant past |
| [18:10:42] | justinh: | I mean about all its supposed advantages |
| [18:10:42] | Dagmar: | It's also better than the 250 and the 150 because of the higher number, don'tchaknow |
| [18:11:01] | mchou: | Dagmar: you channelling Palin? |
| [18:11:01] | jonk: | such as? |
| [18:11:17] | sphery: | decoder is useless on a modern system |
| [18:11:22] | justinh: | now that everybody other than clever can afford > 1Ghz CPU, there's no need for hardware mpeg2 decoding for SDTV |
| [18:11:31] | Dagmar: | mchou: I don't think she can manage greater-than-less-than evaluations without a teleprompter |
| [18:11:46] | sphery: | (useless = not necessary and has limitations which can be avoided by using a graphics card) |
| [18:11:57] | justinh: | add to that the fact that TV encoders on VGA cards are lightyears better than they were when the pvr350 first came out |
| [18:12:03] | clev: | justinh: my 600mhz has no trouble with xvid and mpeg2 :P |
| [18:12:25] | justinh: | add to that the fact that pvr350 decoders are useless for anything which isn't mpeg2 |
| [18:12:27] | sp00ge: | sphery, what should i check ? I've noticed that anything the new UI uses like the Prescaling Theme Imgages popup is also up one corner of screen too |
| [18:12:28] | Dagmar: | I thought Biden showed incredible restraint. I would have lost my cool halfway through and just shrieked at her "CAN YOU GIVE A STRAIGHT ANSWER ABOUT ANYTHING?" |
| [18:12:39] | Kazan: | justinh: ok can you tell me which theme is up to date |
| [18:12:42] | directhex: | i only saw half the debate |
| [18:12:46] | directhex: | bbc.co.uk broke halfway :/ |
| [18:12:49] | Kazan: | justinh: because i cannot find any that mythvideo works in right now |
| [18:12:59] | justinh: | Kazan: only the core themes & probably metallurgy |
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| [18:13:07] | sphery: | sp00ge: what symptoms are you getting? what's your screen aspect ratio and screen size? what video drivers? |
| [18:13:08] | justinh: | I can't be arsed to update any of mine yet |
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| [18:13:49] | mchou: | Dagmar: there was no need for that. If I were biden, when Palin went on her "Govt is not the answer..." |
| [18:14:00] | sphery: | themes for mythvideo work great in the stable -fixes branch... |
| [18:14:19] | sp00ge: | Sorry sphery, i'm 16:9 screen ratio running at 1920x1200. Video drivers are the downloaded Nvidia binaries |
| [18:14:26] | justinh: | although all the stuff within /themes in trunk had their video-ui.xml files taken away so they should at least work |
| [18:14:35] | mchou: | I would have said "Maybe that's why Main St. and Wall St. is asking CONGRESS for rescue" :) |
| [18:14:46] | Kazan: | justinh: k |
| [18:14:50] | sphery: | sp00ge: and what size-related problem are you noticing? |
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| [18:15:21] | gbee: | sphery: does he know by now that there is no -wide default theme for any mythui screens yet? |
| [18:15:24] | mchou: | Dagmar: that would have been end of debate right there |
| [18:15:57] | sphery: | gbee: good question. I'm still trying to find out what issue he's seeing... We're just getting started. :) |
| [18:16:04] | mchou: | Dagmar: like the "You're no Jack Kennedy" line. |
| [18:16:07] | gbee: | ok :) |
| [18:16:18] | Dagmar: | heheh |
| [18:16:20] | sp00ge: | Sphere, Well, anything that uses the new MythUI seems to be using a lower screen resolution |
| [18:16:30] | gbee: | sp00ge: which theme? |
| [18:16:51] | mchou: | Dagmar: that would have been a much better way to finesse Palin |
| [18:16:53] | sp00ge: | For example, when I start Mythfrontend the prescaling theme images seems to be off center and too high |
| [18:16:53] | sphery: | and a screenshot may be worth 1000 words... :) |
| [18:17:05] | sp00ge: | i've tried all the themes from trunk |
| [18:17:18] | sp00ge: | i can take some screenshots and paste them online somewhere |
| [18:17:35] | gbee: | sp00ge: case solved – no widescreen default theme work has been done yet |
| [18:17:44] | sp00ge: | when i enter MythVideo now it looks like it's only using 800x600 or something |
| [18:17:50] | justinh: | call me back whan I get some time :) |
| [18:17:51] | mchou: | Dagmar: that way biden could have slammed Palin w/o charges of "sexism" |
| [18:18:01] | sphery: | sounds like it may be the "mythui-related breakage" gbee warned people about when the "you should probably use -fixes" messages went out... :) |
| [18:18:03] | gbee: | you shouldn't see the problem with GANT, MythCenter, Blue etc |
| [18:18:23] | sphery: | (though with those, things will be stretched, since they're 4:3 themes) |
| [18:18:36] | gbee: | not so much breakage, it's usable just doesn't look too pretty |
| [18:18:39] | justinh: | and mythcenter-wide has slightly improved menu icon images now.. less blurry |
| [18:18:48] | sphery: | unless, of course, you run with -geometry 1280x960 or something... |
| [18:18:59] | sp00ge: | o.k. I will switch to a non wide theme and see if the alignment is fixed |
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| [18:19:19] | gbee: | if someone wants to take a run at creating the -wide themes the please do, it will save me a tonne of work |
| [18:19:21] | justinh: | blech. 4:3 themes |
| [18:19:35] | justinh: | gbee: it's another thing on my todo list |
| [18:19:42] | sp00ge: | thanks gbee and sphery |
| [18:19:45] | justinh: | maybe I could start today actually |
| [18:20:31] | gbee: | justinh: well if you do, might start with schedule-ui.xml I just committed – more people are likely to complain at mythfrontend screens being 'broken' than the plugins |
| [18:21:13] | ** sphery wonders why people feel complaining is an option with _open_ source projects ** | |
| [18:21:41] | Dagmar: | Because of ubuntu-itis. |
| [18:22:02] | Dagmar: | No one puts any effort into discouraging whining because they might be viewed as less than enabling |
| [18:22:51] | justinh: | good call gbee |
| [18:24:14] | gbee: | sphery: I fully expect some of the complaints to come from one or two particular devs :/ |
| [18:25:13] | ** laga demands names ** | |
| [18:25:22] | justinh: | it's not as if mythweb would be broken at the same time :P |
| [18:26:22] | sphery: | gbee: that's another reason why I'm leaning toward a new screen rather than modifying, er, someone's Adjust Priority screen |
| [18:26:53] | sphery: | so, when is MythWeb going to get mythui support, anyway? |
| [18:26:56] | gbee: | :) |
| [18:27:17] | justinh: | yeah I want my recording schedules to spin around on different faces of a cube |
| [18:27:22] | gbee: | sphery: 18 months maybe, frontend first then I can think about it |
| [18:27:23] | sphery: | lol |
| [18:27:34] | justinh: | I want I want I want I want I want I want |
| [18:27:38] | justinh: | wahhhhh |
| [18:27:41] | justinh: | I want I want I want I want I want I want |
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| [18:27:51] | sphery: | justinh: if we make it so schedules can go on top and bottom of the cube, too, we'll be so far ahead of the competition |
| [18:27:52] | gbee: | sphery: you think I'm joking ;) |
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| [18:29:05] | sphery: | I wouldn't be surprised to see you make more magic happen (and anxiously await learning from the example :) |
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| [18:29:48] | sp00ge: | sphery, gbee. Running a 4:3 theme fixes the problem. Sorry to bother you guys :s |
| [18:30:17] | ** justinh googles this colon s thing. loads of people do that & I find it perplexing ** | |
| [18:30:38] | gbee: | sp00ge: np, will be fixed by 0.22, but it's work in progress and right now I'm the only one working on it ;) |
| [18:30:46] | sphery: | sp00ge: well, since you didn't argue about coming to #mythtv-users first and since you were actually willing to read what was said, it wasn't a bother. :) Thanks for the input, too. |
| [18:31:07] | sphery: | gbee is a miracle worker, but miracles take time... |
| [18:31:15] | sp00ge: | hehe |
| [18:31:57] | sp00ge: | if I can throw another little weird thing that has happened since i've upgraded to latest SVN too |
| [18:32:35] | sp00ge: | when i'm browsing channels and select a channel, the odd occasion it just jumps to channel 1 |
| [18:32:52] | sphery: | select through the browse mode or by typing in a channel number? |
| [18:33:01] | sp00ge: | select through the browse |
| [18:33:11] | sp00ge: | if i type in the channel number, for example 230 it works fine |
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| [18:33:17] | sp00ge: | and if i select it from the EPG it's fine too |
| [18:33:22] | sphery: | and channel 1 is the first channel in your video source (i.e. it's actually defined) |
| [18:33:36] | sp00ge: | although channel jumping in the EPG has broken too, i've checked the option in settings |
| [18:33:47] | sp00ge: | yes channel 1 is defined as a channel. I'm in the UK so it's BBC1 |
| [18:33:59] | sphery: | I remember hearing something about that happening occasionally, but I thought it had been fixed... |
| [18:34:33] | sphery: | (it's in the LiveTV arena, so I don't pay much attention, so I'm likely wrong) |
| [18:34:51] | sp00ge: | np sphery, just confused the hell out of me |
| [18:34:52] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5727 |
| [18:35:12] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5194 |
| [18:35:26] | sphery: | duplicates, the second is the "real" one (and it's still open) |
| [18:35:44] | sp00ge: | cheers |
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| [18:36:05] | iamlindoro: | justinh, some fucked up face |
| [18:36:09] | progress0r: | anyone had any luck connecting a SA 3250HD thru mythtv? I have the component out going to my pchdtv 5500 card. I can switch the input and see component via the hd box but cant control the box. I am curious if firewire works. |
| [18:36:29] | progress0r: | sorry, 3250 hd digital hd cable box |
| [18:36:31] | sphery: | sp00ge: there is a patch there (as a workaround--not a real fix), so you could just apply it or--even better--use it as a jumping-off point to get to know the code and do some debugging |
| [18:36:37] | justinh: | iamlindoro: oh, it's supposed to be an emoticon.. prolly with the emphasis on the emo part |
| [18:36:52] | iamlindoro: | justinh, reminds me of a charlie brown face for some reason |
| [18:37:01] | progress0r: | mythtv has become my new obsession, or v4l in general |
| [18:37:19] | iamlindoro: | First thing's first, that ain't component |
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| [18:37:33] | sp00ge: | sphery, I will have a look. My coding skillz are very poor, but i've wanted to learn more if only to give something back to the community |
| [18:38:17] | iamlindoro: | Bah, you don't need codign skills, I have none whatsoever and I've submitted patched ;) |
| [18:38:27] | iamlindoro: | gah, apparently no english skills either |
| [18:38:34] | iamlindoro: | coding, patches |
| [18:38:34] | sp00ge: | hehe |
| [18:39:23] | sphery: | sp00ge: just using the hack-patch for now until it's fixed is fine--especially if there could be another area where your time is better spent giving back (themes, documentation, etc.) |
| [18:39:23] | justinh: | sp00ge: take up theming. you can become as embitterred as I am :P |
| [18:39:28] | iamlindoro: | Once you look at it enough and break it in some exciting ways, it starts to make sense even without programming knowledge |
| [18:39:51] | sp00ge: | justinh, themes is one area I would love to start at |
| [18:40:19] | sp00ge: | I've been using MythTV for about 3 or 4 years now, originally on my 24" CRT it looked fine |
| [18:40:29] | sp00ge: | starting to look a bit outdated on my 46" 1080p LCD |
| [18:40:38] | progress0r: | anyone know why i cannot get xawtv or motv to go widescreen (and eliminate the black side borders) when going direct from my cable box to my lcd? I have verified that the settings in the box are correct. Cant get any response from #v4l |
| [18:40:44] | sphery: | sp00ge: well, as you're not on trunk, you can get a good start on learning/documenting-on-the-wiki mythui |
| [18:41:00] | sp00ge: | I am using trunk |
| [18:41:15] | sphery: | yeah, that's what I was trying to say... d/not/ |
| [18:41:22] | sp00ge: | ahh ;) |
| [18:41:27] | progress0r: | any major fixes or improvements in trunk? |
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| [18:41:39] | sphery: | yep, lots of things were fixed to not work |
| [18:41:40] | justinh: | progress0r: read the commits list |
| [18:41:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:41:40] | progress0r: | been thinking about building from source |
| [18:41:52] | progress0r: | have the ubunty hard set now |
| [18:41:57] | progress0r: | ok thanks will do |
| [18:41:59] | wagnerrp: | particularly, mythui |
| [18:42:00] | sphery: | I highly recommend -fixes from source |
| [18:42:14] | sp00ge: | I really like the work you guys are doing with MythUI |
| [18:42:29] | justinh: | you guys/gbee |
| [18:42:31] | progress0r: | cool going to check that out |
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| [18:42:39] | sphery: | you guys = lots of work by gbee with some initial design and input from Chutt |
| [18:43:04] | sp00ge: | I wasn't aware of who exactly has done the work |
| [18:43:07] | sphery: | (Chutt would have done more if he had the time, but gbee picked it up in the meantime) |
| [18:43:22] | wagnerrp: | ugh, i just took a nap, and ended up with my arm shoved between my mattress and headboard |
| [18:43:29] | sphery: | yeah, we're just trying to make sure credit goes where credit's due... |
| [18:43:34] | wagnerrp: | now theres a big red groove running the length of my forearm |
| [18:43:44] | sphery: | groovy |
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| [18:54:47] | progress0r: | building from source, cool to see the plugins in there as well – the hardy repo didnt have all of them |
| [18:55:11] | iamlindoro: | That would be a surprise, if that were the case |
| [18:55:18] | iamlindoro: | which do you think are missing? |
| [18:55:54] | progress0r: | some of the mythinfo stuff |
| [18:56:17] | iamlindoro: | Huh? |
| [18:56:28] | iamlindoro: | There's no such plugin |
| [18:56:38] | progress0r: | one sec, gotta check its been a while |
| [18:56:58] | iamlindoro: | There are no official plugins missing from Ubuntu AFAIK |
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| [18:57:12] | iamlindoro: | Moreover, it even includes a few unofficial ones |
| [18:57:18] | progress0r: | my mistake, these arent plugins – i guess they are external mods or something |
| [18:57:30] | laga: | external mods? |
| [18:57:43] | wagnerrp: | unofficial plugins... |
| [18:57:45] | progress0r: | like rss feeds via the info |
| [18:57:55] | progress0r: | whatever you call them |
| [18:57:57] | wagnerrp: | you know, im surprised theres never been any sort of mail plugin |
| [18:58:05] | laga: | progress0r: that's mythnews |
| [18:58:13] | laga: | wagnerrp: i think there used to be one, back in the fay |
| [18:58:23] | iamlindoro: | (Which is in Ubuntu's repos) |
| [18:58:48] | progress0r: | im not an ubuntu fan ;) good os but i prefer gentoo (no holy wars please) |
| [18:58:51] | wagnerrp: | maybe not even a full plugin, just something to grab folder counts and headings |
| [18:59:28] | wagnerrp: | full mail program rather |
| [18:59:41] | iamlindoro: | Would probably be trivial-ish to use mythtvOSD to pop up something when new mail arrives |
| [19:00:08] | iamlindoro: | Which isn't the same of course, but could be fun |
| [19:00:14] | justinh: | I'd prefer to have my scrotum stamped on by jessica Simpson than use Gentoo again (no holy wars please) |
| [19:00:17] | wagnerrp: | ah, there is one, never released |
| [19:00:44] | progress0r: | gentoo is hardcore man, sabayon isnt bad either if it wasnt a bastardized version |
| [19:01:00] | laga: | yeah, hardcore |
| [19:01:01] | laga: | ya hear me |
| [19:01:06] | directhex: | how about by homer simpson? |
| [19:01:19] | iamlindoro: | I run Exherbo Myth |
| [19:01:29] | iamlindoro: | Nothing like a distro that tells you to go fuck yourself if you want to run it |
| [19:01:34] | GreyFoxx: | just for curiousity, please define "hardcore" in the gentoo context :) |
| [19:01:37] | wagnerrp: | progress0r: (also a gentoo users) sadly, a number of the gentoo users we come across here are just as clueless as any other linux newbie |
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| [19:01:48] | laga: | wagnerrp: even worse... |
| [19:02:00] | iamlindoro: | Because they're self-righteous newbiew |
| [19:02:03] | iamlindoro: | newbies |
| [19:02:31] | progress0r: | using gentoo doesnt make anyone more knowledgeable about anything, i prefer gentoo because its easier for me to build ruby and rails dependencies for example than to screw around with old versions in the repos. nothing more. |
| [19:02:40] | iamlindoro: | "Why does the myth ebuild need JPG support? That will slow me DOWN!!" |
| [19:02:59] | ** directhex hands iamlindoro his latest masterwork ** | |
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| [19:03:13] | progress0r: | ive been working in IT way too long to have the god complex anymore, those people just burn me out nowadays |
| [19:03:28] | iamlindoro: | directhex, shmeh? |
| [19:03:40] | progress0r: | and now i use a mac ;) but have my linux box next to my desk |
| [19:04:55] | directhex: | iamlindoro, moon_0.8.1+dfsg-1.dsc |
| [19:05:09] | progress0r: | apologies, wasnt trying to sound self-righteous or anything, actually just having some fun with the myth stuff when im supposed to be working :) |
| [19:05:19] | laga: | directhex: moon? |
| [19:05:19] | oobe: | does anyone know how i centre and image in xorg i just plugged the frontend i put together and it has a large black line on the right |
| [19:05:54] | Kazan: | would there be a reason why some themes are not showing up in my theme browser? |
| [19:06:08] | wagnerrp: | there is a tv-setup think in the frontend, which lets you crop down the image, but nothing in mythtv to let you expand it beyond the x-server |
| [19:06:13] | GreyFoxx: | Kazan: Not installed? Or not installed in the proper location |
| [19:06:14] | iamlindoro: | Them being very very old and lacking the right ui files |
| [19:06:20] | oobe: | iamlindoro, i dont know if you were around b4 but i was just saying thanks for writing that metacleanup script i love it i was looking for that for ages |
| [19:06:22] | GreyFoxx: | Or too old |
| [19:06:23] | Kazan: | GreyFoxx: AFAIK they're both installed and in the right spot |
| [19:06:23] | wagnerrp: | nvidia-settings give you overscan access |
| [19:06:29] | Kazan: | i think too old would be possible |
| [19:06:45] | oobe: | wagnerrp, where in nvidia settings |
| [19:06:53] | ** Kazan is running trunk ** | |
| [19:06:54] | iamlindoro: | oobe, ah, no, wasn't around, but thanks-- something is coming along soon that will make it somewhat obsolete and will be even nicer, too |
| [19:06:56] | Kazan: | and i updated this morning |
| [19:07:04] | Kazan: | cannot get any of my installed themes mythvideo to work anymore |
| [19:07:21] | iamlindoro: | Kazan, onlt default has a working video-ui.xml |
| [19:07:21] | wagnerrp: | oobe: dont know off hand, and im not about to walk downstairs with a keybaord and mouse to find out |
| [19:07:23] | Kazan: | default and default-wide don't even show up |
| [19:07:32] | iamlindoro: | like I said earlier, you need to erase the video-ui.xml file for your themes |
| [19:07:46] | iamlindoro: | so that it falls back to the default |
| [19:07:49] | wagnerrp: | too bad you cant run nvidia-settings over vnc |
| [19:07:52] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: "default" won't show up |
| [19:07:57] | Kazan: | oh... that would work too :D |
| [19:08:17] | iamlindoro: | That's because default isn't a real theme |
| [19:08:31] | iamlindoro: | It's a fallback |
| [19:08:32] | oobe: | thats ok wagnerrp i already looked b4 i been trying to do via modelines |
| [19:08:34] | justinh: | Kazan: I told you those are just generic files |
| [19:08:38] | justinh: | fallback files |
| [19:08:44] | Kazan: | justinh: i must have missed that |
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| [19:08:51] | ** Kazan just deleted that xml.. brb to cause frontend to reload ** | |
| [19:08:54] | justinh: | if a theme hasn't got them mythfrontend will look in default, or default-wide |
| [19:08:55] | directhex: | laga, ii moonlight-plugin-core 0.8.1+dfsg-1 open source implementation of Microsoft Silverlight |
| [19:09:11] | iamlindoro: | directhex, neato |
| [19:09:34] | iamlindoro: | Does it work with any of the silverlight video sites? |
| [19:09:43] | justinh: | if a theme has got the -ui.xml file the frontend will try to use it. With hilarious consequences |
| [19:09:48] | iamlindoro: | and possibly importantly, work ok for both 32 and 64? |
| [19:10:27] | directhex: | iamlindoro, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/g . . . oonlight.png |
| [19:10:49] | Kazan: | still simply gives me "no files found" |
| [19:10:56] | iamlindoro: | It makes me sad that you chose that video |
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| [19:12:07] | iamlindoro: | This is the time where someone might mention running trunk == bad idea if you haven't been reading the dev and commits lists |
| [19:12:27] | Kazan: | yeah... i couldn't get .21-fixes to compile on FC9 when i first upgraded my distro version |
| [19:12:30] | iamlindoro: | directhex, that still makes it look like Seinfeld is holding his pocket like his prison bitch |
| [19:12:43] | iamlindoro: | Or wants to hold his hand |
| [19:13:33] | Kazan: | 2008-10–05 14:10:32.695 Loading from: /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/video-ui.xml |
| [19:13:33] | Kazan: | 2008-10–05 14:10:32.695 Warning: container 'mythvideo' is missing child 'novideos' |
| [19:13:33] | Kazan: | 2008-10–05 14:10:32.695 Warning: container 'mythvideo' is missing child 'videolevel' |
| [19:13:48] | Kazan: | looks like default-wide doesn't have a working one either.. just default (not wide)? |
| [19:13:50] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: that comment right there is indication that you need to lay off the Prison Break |
| [19:13:56] | wagnerrp: | its lack of direction is destroying you |
| [19:14:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Heh, I don't watch, but I do have a past in law enforcement :) |
| [19:14:37] | directhex: | iamlindoro, it's just a convenient url for testing moonlight video playback |
| [19:14:46] | wagnerrp: | so the pocket holding thing is legitimate? ive never heard of it before, or after, prison break |
| [19:14:53] | iamlindoro: | yep, it's real :) |
| [19:14:57] | Dagmar: | Being arrested for being caught naked and passed out in a nativity display doesn't count. |
| [19:15:25] | iamlindoro: | "in" being the operative word-- those sheep will never be the same |
| [19:16:23] | iamlindoro: | directhex, Anyway, I'm no great lover of MS, but I hate flash too but occasionally get irritated about the 64 bit status of it |
| [19:16:25] | Kazan: | iamlindoro: video-ui.xml from default causes the same errors |
| [19:16:38] | iamlindoro: | Kazan, sounds like you are running an old default |
| [19:16:39] | Kazan: | mythvideo' is missing child 'novideos' and 'mythvideo' is missing child 'videolevel' |
| [19:16:48] | Kazan: | so i just get "no files found" |
| [19:16:57] | ** Kazan did updates on all of that this morning ** | |
| [19:17:06] | ** Kazan runs his update script again ** | |
| [19:17:13] | iamlindoro: | Dunno what to tell you, default works fine with current trunk here |
| [19:17:33] | Kazan: | everything at 18551 |
| [19:17:35] | justinh: | iamlindoro: somebody is stuck without a clue despite being told the script several times already |
| [19:17:41] | wagnerrp: | the thing that makes me hate flash... videos that i can download and play with ~10% CPU usage choke my laptop when played through the flash player |
| [19:17:42] | directhex: | iamlindoro, /usr/lib/moon/plugin/libmoonplugin.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86–64, version 1 (SYSV), stripped |
| [19:18:11] | iamlindoro: | directhex, cool |
| [19:18:58] | iamlindoro: | directhex, any more fun fighting about which version of Mono comes with Intrepid? :) |
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| [19:19:13] | Kazan: | i'm going to delete my themes folder to make sure everything gets updated by make install |
| [19:19:15] | directhex: | iamlindoro, intrepid now has a complete & functional 1.9.1 stack |
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| [19:19:25] | directhex: | iamlindoro, 2.0 gets released tomorrow though... :p |
| [19:19:30] | laga: | directhex: but i have mono-2.0 on mah box |
| [19:19:44] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [19:20:26] | ** iamlindoro checks the release schedule to see how long it will be before we get "How come Myth is broken on Intrepid Pre-alpha 7?" ** | |
| [19:20:27] | directhex: | laga, :) |
| [19:20:47] | directhex: | laga, i've had no reply since i pointed out 1.1.8 had packages with -1.0- in the name |
| [19:21:01] | directhex: | iamlindoro, beta |
| [19:21:11] | iamlindoro: | whatevs |
| [19:21:17] | laga: | hum, still need to get some bug fixes in for 8.10 |
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| [19:26:53] | iamlindoro: | like changing the default theme to nakedbitches-wide? |
| [19:28:42] | laga: | no, too many people are still using 4:3 themes |
| [19:28:45] | laga: | err, screens |
| [19:29:04] | iamlindoro: | PS, -wide there does not mean fat chicks |
| [19:29:36] | ** laga awards iamlindoro tonight's sexism award ** | |
| [19:29:40] | iamlindoro: | hahaha |
| [19:30:51] | iamlindoro: | I'd like to thank all the people who got me to this point |
| [19:31:01] | iamlindoro: | like my absent mother and overbearing mother figures |
| [19:31:03] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [19:32:31] | laga: | overbearing mother figures? how much did you pay them? |
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| [19:34:40] | iamlindoro: | laga, worth every penny |
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| [19:34:58] | laga: | ugh |
| [19:36:10] | ** iamlindoro trusts laga knows he's just being ridiculous ** | |
| [19:36:23] | laga: | oh. |
| [19:36:42] | iamlindoro: | heh, maybe he doesn't know :) |
| [19:36:52] | iamlindoro: | Umm, just being silly ya know :) |
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| [19:36:58] | laga: | yeah. |
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| [19:38:16] | iamlindoro: | Aww, don't be upset, sometimes I just go over the top to point out the silliness of something (like sexism) |
| [19:38:44] | laga: | i'm not upset :) |
| [19:38:48] | iamlindoro: | k |
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| [19:40:12] | iamlindoro: | On a more on-topic note, ordered an HVR-1250 this AM, should be a nice little x1 card |
| [19:41:53] | wagnerrp: | ive got one, works great (for digital) |
| [19:42:07] | iamlindoro: | yeah, all I need it for. Nice |
| [19:42:07] | wagnerrp: | current kernel has the drivers built in as well |
| [19:42:14] | iamlindoro: | No firmware AFAICT? |
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| [19:42:35] | wagnerrp: | not that i remember having to dick around with |
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| [19:43:00] | iamlindoro: | Cool |
| [19:43:22] | iamlindoro: | Have a conflict coming up Thursday, so with any luck it'll get here before that too |
| [19:43:23] | wagnerrp: | my first install (2.6.23), i had to grab the v4l-dvb-hg drivers, and remove the old ones from the kernel |
| [19:43:44] | wagnerrp: | but when i upgraded (2.6.25), i didnt do anything but uninstall those drivers, recompile the kernel, and it worked |
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| [19:52:11] | csl: | I'm having some trouble where I seem to be able to lock onto channels using azap, but if I try to tune them in myth, I don't get a lock |
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| [19:53:40] | FL325K: | I'm streaming mp4 movies from mythtv to an xbox 360 using UPnP |
| [19:53:46] | FL325K: | Everything is working except |
| [19:53:57] | FL325K: | when Myth rebuilds the UPnP database |
| [19:54:03] | FL325K: | " UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan " |
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| [19:54:17] | FL325K: | The server fails and I have to restart |
| [19:54:30] | FL325K: | anybody know what is causing this? |
| [19:55:46] | wagnerrp: | this happens if youre streaming when it does a rescan? |
| [19:56:35] | FL325K: | actually now that I look at it more carefully |
| [19:56:41] | FL325K: | it's rescanning after I restart |
| [19:57:00] | FL325K: | IN the logs, I don't see anything that corresponds to the time when the server fails |
| [19:57:43] | iamlindoro: | you need MOAR VERBOAS |
| [19:58:07] | FL325K: | about once every 15 minutes streaming to my Xbox 360 fails and I can't recover without restarting myth |
| [19:58:37] | wagnerrp: | you have wired? wireless? |
| [19:58:46] | FL325K: | wireless between myth and xbox |
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| [19:59:10] | wagnerrp: | can you go wired? if only for testing purposes |
| [19:59:33] | iamlindoro: | Wireless strikes again |
| [19:59:34] | FL325K: | I thought about it.. but too lazy to try |
| [19:59:42] | FL325K: | I'll try |
| [20:00:36] | FL325K: | If that's the case, then is it the protocol or Myth that is not robust enough for wireless? |
| [20:00:50] | FL325K: | or xbox |
| [20:01:00] | iamlindoro: | It's wireless not being robust enough for.... anything. |
| [20:01:03] | wagnerrp: | wireless is not a stable form of network, period |
| [20:01:25] | FL325K: | blah.. we can use it to send probes to mars |
| [20:01:29] | FL325K: | it should work here |
| [20:01:36] | wagnerrp: | if you can get it to work, more power to you. if not, spend an afternoon and wire up your house |
| [20:01:36] | iamlindoro: | We're not using 802.11g for that |
| [20:01:54] | iamlindoro: | and we're not streaming video in real time from Mars either |
| [20:02:10] | wagnerrp: | if you want to spend a couple hundred $M on networking equipment, im sure you could get wireless video to your xbox from across the world |
| [20:02:29] | FL325K: | I wasn't being serious, I know wireless is not reliable |
| [20:02:29] | ** directhex installs a fibre link to mars ** | |
| [20:02:37] | wagnerrp: | also, the bandwidth between the mars probes is on the order of an ISDN line |
| [20:02:46] | wagnerrp: | not much more than dialup |
| [20:03:20] | ** iamlindoro lets out the slack as directhex's fiber pulls away from him ** | |
| [20:03:21] | directhex: | also, ping sucks |
| [20:03:45] | FL325K: | btw, getting it to stream to the xbox was a pain in the arse |
| [20:04:19] | wagnerrp: | should have been relatively simple, considering there is no configuration you can do on mythtv's part |
| [20:04:41] | FL325K: | it's getting the right codec that was difficult |
| [20:04:46] | wagnerrp: | the only difficulty would be getting the video into the relative limited formats the xbox likes |
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| [20:04:51] | FL325K: | you're right, the myth stuff was straight forward |
| [20:04:53] | wagnerrp: | yeah, some problem with my ps3 |
| [20:05:06] | wagnerrp: | took a while to figure out what encoding settings it liked and didnt like |
| [20:05:08] | FL325K: | I tried using ushare and that didn't work |
| [20:05:17] | FL325K: | for the UPnP |
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| [20:05:27] | FL325K: | whereas myth worked perfectly |
| [20:06:12] | FL325K: | Is PS3 pickier than the 360? |
| [20:06:31] | iamlindoro: | No. It's less picky. Slightly. |
| [20:07:56] | FL325K: | What would be nice is if I could stream the mythfrontend to the xbox 360 |
| [20:07:59] | wagnerrp: | the 360 supports divx3.11a doesnt it? |
| [20:08:34] | iamlindoro: | uPnP poops out streams, not programs |
| [20:08:43] | directhex: | the 360 will not play mpeg2 over a network |
| [20:08:54] | wagnerrp: | really... thats pretty shitty |
| [20:09:25] | FL325K: | the frontend could be rendered into a stream, right? |
| [20:10:13] | iamlindoro: | Ew |
| [20:10:27] | iamlindoro: | That is not at *all* the point of uPnP |
| [20:10:47] | wagnerrp: | into a stream... yes. into a stream with clickable items, doubtful. |
| [20:10:47] | iamlindoro: | The best uPnP can do is present a control web page to the client |
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| [20:12:08] | wagnerrp: | there is a 'remote user interface' mechanism in upnp |
| [20:12:15] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know what its capable of |
| [20:12:39] | iamlindoro: | Requires that the client be built to suit the server AFAIK |
| [20:12:56] | wagnerrp: | possibly a better option would just be to provide a menu of available stations |
| [20:13:09] | wagnerrp: | and trying to access the stream would cause mythtv to begin recording on it |
| [20:13:24] | iamlindoro: | anyway, point being Xbox 360 as a full frontend == really unlikely to ever happen |
| [20:13:40] | FL325K: | A lot of people have them |
| [20:13:45] | FL325K: | Seems like a logical step |
| [20:14:02] | GreyFoxx: | Unfortunately MS cripples a lot of what you could do with it |
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| [20:14:25] | GreyFoxx: | by MS imposed restrictions on usage, playback and odd ways of accessing the data |
| [20:14:34] | wagnerrp: | now at least on the PS3, when i load a recording stream, it detects the length. if i want to continue playback past that point, i have to close the file, and reopen it |
| [20:14:49] | GreyFoxx: | Getting the 360 to work required specific code to answer it differently than other upnp devices |
| [20:14:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if this is a limitation of mythtv, upnp, or the ps3 |
| [20:15:01] | wagnerrp: | but its a real detriment to streaming of livetv |
| [20:15:11] | GreyFoxx: | Wag: That's the ps3 |
| [20:15:28] | GreyFoxx: | Actually no, that might be myth. I'd have to test that |
| [20:15:44] | FL325K: | GreyFoxx I suspected that since ushare had an xbox specific flag |
| [20:15:55] | GreyFoxx: | we return the maximum file size, when they do the get. Not sure if it's ask for again. I'd need to rty it |
| [20:16:19] | GreyFoxx: | FL: Only reason it works now is cause I was bored on last year during my Xmas days off from work :) |
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| [20:17:00] | FL325K: | Oh good, then I can thank the guy/gal responsible. Thanks. |
| [20:18:13] | csl: | Anyone know where I can find the playback profiles? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Playback_profiles has a good description of them, it just doesn't tell where to find them! |
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| [20:18:29] | GreyFoxx: | FL: Heh Guy :) But no problem |
| [20:18:50] | GreyFoxx: | I had one, and knew it was possible so I just got up early one morning and starting packet sniffing to see what they did differently :) |
| [20:18:52] | wagnerrp: | but youre such a foxy guy... |
| [20:18:58] | iamlindoro: | csl, Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three |
| [20:19:04] | laga: | wagnerrp: gah |
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| [20:20:03] | GreyFoxx: | Ok, say goodbye to the "prescaling" message at startup |
| [20:20:07] | GreyFoxx: | It's gone by bye |
| [20:20:38] | csl: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [20:20:46] | justinh: | ooo |
| [20:20:55] | justinh: | nice one GreyFoxx :) |
| [20:21:05] | GreyFoxx: | Justin: No more prescaling at all. It scales as needed and caches to disk |
| [20:21:12] | GreyFoxx: | no more checking to see if we need to prescale |
| [20:21:20] | GreyFoxx: | It now says "Initializing MythTV" |
| [20:21:21] | justinh: | wickedness |
| [20:21:26] | GreyFoxx: | and I kinda fake the progressbar |
| [20:21:40] | GreyFoxx: | since we are still doing stuff in other threads like media monitor and such |
| [20:21:47] | wagnerrp: | taking hints from windows now are you? |
| [20:22:03] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, committed? |
| [20:22:06] | asmussen: | No way to tell how far along those things are, so you just kind of put up a fake progress bar for asthetics? |
| [20:22:08] | GreyFoxx: | just a minute ago |
| [20:22:08] | justinh: | don't spose there's any news on whether or not it's worthwhile trying on the fly scaling of images etc... |
| [20:22:17] | GreyFoxx: | assm: Exactly |
| [20:22:26] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, oh shit, now you're in for the "so make it resizeable!" business |
| [20:22:29] | GreyFoxx: | justin: This will sorta allow for that |
| [20:22:34] | justinh: | play progressindicator.avi :D |
| [20:22:43] | GreyFoxx: | the cache checks everytime a load is requested |
| [20:22:49] | GreyFoxx: | so it would allow for resizing |
| [20:22:57] | justinh: | $random time left.. |
| [20:23:03] | justinh: | 36 seconds |
| [20:23:07] | justinh: | 43 seconds |
| [20:23:08] | iamlindoro: | Mac OS X's loading screen is also a video file |
| [20:23:16] | justinh: | 17 seconds.. oh FFS just do it already |
| [20:23:18] | iamlindoro: | the bootup progress indicator, that is |
| [20:23:20] | GreyFoxx: | iam: gbee has a change or 2 left and it will make a massive different on some screens, especiallty mythvideo glalery with lots of covers |
| [20:23:27] | wagnerrp: | copying file: 29385937452 minutes remaining... |
| [20:23:28] | Kazan: | getting the error about video-ui from default missing the componants.. i'm using default from current trunk |
| [20:23:31] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, yeah, have been following |
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| [20:23:40] | Kazan: | i deleted my themes dir install to be sure |
| [20:23:43] | GreyFoxx: | My movies dir with 384 covers went from 28 seconds to under 1 |
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| [20:23:58] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, sweet, yeah, was playing with that this AM, svn up'ing now |
| [20:24:07] | GreyFoxx: | the initial load was 28 seconds, but all loads later were 1 |
| [20:24:18] | GreyFoxx: | I'd wait til gbee gets his change in |
| [20:24:26] | GreyFoxx: | then you should see the diff |
| [20:24:30] | GreyFoxx: | but it still works now |
| [20:24:33] | iamlindoro: | hmm, kay |
| [20:24:37] | GreyFoxx: | just not as fast as it will be |
| [20:24:56] | GreyFoxx: | next is to get the tv metagrabber stuff in there |
| [20:25:08] | GreyFoxx: | and then OSD font loading changes... maybe mythui conversion there too |
| [20:25:29] | GreyFoxx: | This will speed up mythgallery for people too |
| [20:25:31] | GreyFoxx: | and so on |
| [20:26:01] | iamlindoro: | I've never used mythgallery other than playing with it-- don't care to subject people to my vacations |
| [20:26:19] | GreyFoxx: | heh I don't much either, but when the parents come over they like to go through it heh |
| [20:29:26] | iamlindoro: | I keep telling myself that someday at a party I'll put MythMusic on... but I never do. |
| [20:29:42] | jduggan: | lol |
| [20:29:53] | GreyFoxx: | heh I have, with the visualizations on |
| [20:29:56] | GreyFoxx: | people liked it |
| [20:30:10] | GreyFoxx: | My wife had prepped some play lists |
| [20:30:22] | iamlindoro: | I've mostly just used iTunes playlist |
| [20:30:23] | iamlindoro: | s |
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| [20:31:04] | GreyFoxx: | gbee commited his changes |
| [20:31:11] | GreyFoxx: | or so it appears from the logs |
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| [20:32:23] | iamlindoro: | Go go gadget Ctrl-C-and-svn-up-and-configure-previous-and-make-and-make-install |
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| [20:33:16] | pac1: | I'm trying to find out why my schedule for the dtv portion won't fill beyond today. |
| [20:33:37] | pac1: | I've run mythfilldatabase --refresh, but that didn't change anything. |
| [20:33:56] | iamlindoro: | Where are you getting listings from? |
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| [20:36:51] | pac1: | eit for today. does that disable the update for later days from sd? |
| [20:37:11] | wagnerrp: | eit depends on what the broadcaster is willing to give you |
| [20:37:16] | pac1: | at least i think its eit. |
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| [20:37:35] | wagnerrp: | if theyre only giving you todays data, youre only going to have todays data |
| [20:38:09] | iamlindoro: | yes, you cannot use both at once |
| [20:38:11] | pac1: | so sd won't update over it? |
| [20:38:14] | iamlindoro: | disable EIT if you intend to use SD |
| [20:38:18] | pac1: | ok. |
| [20:38:27] | pac1: | they don't play well together? |
| [20:38:32] | pac1: | or at all? |
| [20:38:44] | GreyFoxx: | I use to mix eit and datadirect |
| [20:38:51] | GreyFoxx: | but haven't tried that out in a long long time |
| [20:39:20] | sphery: | but you mixed them on different channels, right? |
| [20:39:23] | fryfrog: | i think i also tried that once, but quickly switch to just SD |
| [20:39:25] | iamlindoro: | Last I heard it was not happy times |
| [20:39:34] | pac1: | ok let me try that... |
| [20:39:36] | sphery: | I mean, you didn't use EIT and SD on the same channel at the same time, right? |
| [20:39:40] | iamlindoro: | on account of, well, exactly this happening |
| [20:39:51] | fryfrog: | my thought was get data from SD for everything, then use EIT for any last minute changes" |
| [20:39:58] | fryfrog: | but that just didn't work well :) |
| [20:40:22] | sphery: | right, as everything is a change (because words are different) so it messes with things like dup matching, etc. |
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| [20:47:20] | wagnerrp: | ugh... going out to dinner with my grandma |
| [20:47:32] | laga: | be a good boy ;) |
| [20:47:48] | wagnerrp: | its not that i dont like to visit, or that i dont like being seen with her (although she does have a distinct lack of tact) |
| [20:47:55] | wagnerrp: | its that its quarter till 5 |
| [20:48:02] | wagnerrp: | i ate lunch like 2 hours ago |
| [20:48:18] | pac1: | mythfilldatabase --file 1 /tmp/mythtv_ddp_tdxkR1/*UTC* 4.1 mb data file, but it says there are no programs. |
| [20:48:58] | iamlindoro: | What kind of screwy way of accessing SD are you using? |
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| [20:51:33] | pac1: | trying to use my cached sd data. that doesn't work cause I'm doing it wrong |
| [20:52:09] | iamlindoro: | I would try running things the traditional way before adding more points of failure |
| [20:52:19] | iamlindoro: | ie mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [20:53:21] | pac1: | I've hit the server a number of times and wanted to stay out of the way of others if possible. |
| [20:53:30] | iamlindoro: | meh, it's fine |
| [20:54:01] | iamlindoro: | Although a nice gesture/thought |
| [20:55:04] | pac1: | there I'm running it for just sourceid 1 |
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| [20:56:33] | pac1: | next issue: stuttering when watching programs in HD. Disks capable of 52mb/sec Is that enough to record and play an HD stream? |
| [20:56:50] | iamlindoro: | far more than enough |
| [20:57:10] | iamlindoro: | it's only a few megs a second |
| [20:57:47] | iamlindoro: | Playback issues are most commonly processor or video driver/card related |
| [20:57:47] | pac1: | ok... |
| [20:58:30] | pac1: | the box is new, dual processor, nvidia 8200 and it seems to max out at 80% cpu in the frontend. |
| [20:58:31] | iamlindoro: | Common phrases include "I'm using ATI" or "I'm using open source drivers" |
| [20:59:52] | iamlindoro: | and your drivers? |
| [21:00:25] | iamlindoro: | Most dual processor boxes should not even hit 80% for broadcast MPEG-2 playback |
| [21:00:51] | pac1: | sure. I'm using an Nvidia graphics card with the nvidia driver. |
| [21:00:51] | iamlindoro: | (modern ones, anyway) |
| [21:00:52] | Anduin: | could be the deinterlacer |
| [21:01:21] | iamlindoro: | yes, good point, try switching deint |
| [21:01:58] | iamlindoro: | I've got 37% on a relatively low end C2D while watching 1080i material with Linear Blend as the deint |
| [21:02:37] | Anduin: | my default 2x timestretch and greedy don't match well so I see it too often |
| [21:03:41] | GreyFoxx: | you default to 2x? damn |
| [21:03:51] | iamlindoro: | Times a wastin' |
| [21:04:00] | GreyFoxx: | i thought i was weird defaulting to 1.3/1.4 |
| [21:04:10] | GreyFoxx: | rarely up to 1.5 |
| [21:04:20] | GreyFoxx: | my wife can't stand it heh |
| [21:04:56] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: does that work on recordings the best, or are you able to do it on content you might download in .mkv format? |
| [21:05:07] | GreyFoxx: | fry: Works on everything |
| [21:05:17] | fryfrog: | nice, must be my wimpy cpu then |
| [21:05:33] | fryfrog: | also, i... like the shows at their original speed :/ |
| [21:05:42] | GreyFoxx: | Actually i've never done it on a dvd |
| [21:05:49] | GreyFoxx: | not sure how it would be affected there |
| [21:05:49] | Anduin: | works there too |
| [21:05:53] | fryfrog: | i can tell when a recording is slightly sped up by the network and it bothers me a bit. |
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| [21:06:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, wow, MUCH faster. Nice. |
| [21:06:47] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: what'd you do? |
| [21:06:50] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: any plans to make multiple? or have it invalidate itself? |
| [21:07:09] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, not me, Greyfoxx made changes to MythVideo in trunk |
| [21:07:10] | Anduin: | (caches) |
| [21:07:14] | fryfrog: | ahhhh |
| [21:07:17] | fryfrog: | nice |
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| [21:09:50] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Yeah, going to add expiry code for the ram cache and a periodic cleanup as well |
| [21:10:33] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, currently it is a nice way to recover your camera pictures if you lose the memory card :) |
| [21:10:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
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| [21:15:07] | GreyFoxx: | Man, why did they have to only put 2 sata slots and 1 pci on the intel atom boards :( I don't want to wait for the low power AMD boards |
| [21:15:36] | directhex: | atom is a LOT slower than i expected |
| [21:15:40] | sphery: | what about your being excited about the AMD boards taking less power? |
| [21:15:55] | GreyFoxx: | spher: I still am, and want them, but i want them now :/ |
| [21:16:04] | sphery: | would a dual-core atom be a molecule? |
| [21:16:11] | GreyFoxx: | I wont be getting the atoms, just whining :) |
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| [21:21:31] | asmussen: | sphery: Or would a dual core hydrogen atom be a helium atom? |
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| [21:48:48] | matt_: | If I was going to get a tv tuner card for under 100, what brand is the most compatible? |
| [21:51:16] | directhex: | hauppauge, always |
| [21:51:21] | Dagmar: | It depends entirely on what you're tuning. |
| [21:51:28] | Dagmar: | The answer is generally still "Hauppage" |
| [21:51:40] | Dagmar: | Consult the wiki for which model applies to what you're trying to tune in. |
| [21:52:01] | matt_: | Dagmar: link to wiki? I'm entirely new to the idea |
| [21:53:12] | RyeBrye: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?search=Hauppauge |
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| [22:12:14] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: you've read this? http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . kills-bobcat |
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| [22:14:50] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: not the most reliable, but a monkey wrench if true |
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| [22:36:28] | hadees: | i'm having some weird issues with my HDPVR, the drives seem to work fine but mythbackend seems to randomly freeze after a while, if i restart the backend everything works which makes me think the driver isn't the problem |
| [22:36:51] | hadees: | i'm using mythtv trunk from a few weeks ago but updating it now to see if that helps |
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| [22:37:54] | hadees: | the only thing in the log is 2008-09–28 22:48:14.464 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 3.0 GB w/freq: 15 min over and over again but i don't think that is related i think it may just be running still |
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| [23:20:25] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: did you say the other day you were running raid6? does that increase or decrease performance in comparison with raid5? Or is it negligable enough that you don't notice either way? |
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| [23:27:04] | ** JEDIDIAH_myth also has occasional hangs with the hdpvr. Although it just might be a general trunk problme. ** | |
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| [23:32:43] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: it very certainly decreases performance |
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| [23:34:48] | wagnerrp: | of course (with sufficient processor) the performance on both should be more than mythtv could use |
| [23:35:43] | FL325K: | ls -Al |
| [23:37:09] | FL325K: | sorry wrong window |
| [23:37:58] | fryfrog: | i wonder what the impact is |
| [23:38:33] | fryfrog: | lets see what le googel says |
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| [23:42:15] | fryfrog: | does raid6 just store the exact same raid5 parity / error correction data, only twice? |
| [23:42:46] | wagnerrp: | as far as my understanding, yes |
| [23:43:04] | fryfrog: | ah, so there isn't much more cpu over head, the calculation is alreayd done |
| [23:43:20] | fryfrog: | the slow down would be that extra "disk" worth of parity bring written / checked |
| [23:43:28] | wagnerrp: | say you have a 6-disk array, the first parity is done on 4 disks, the second parity is done on 5 disks (4 data plus parity) |
| [23:43:48] | wagnerrp: | so raid6 should be slightly more than double the processor as raid5 |
| [23:44:03] | fryfrog: | for verification or write? |
| [23:44:14] | wagnerrp: | for write |
| [23:44:17] | fryfrog: | it'd only have to calculate the paritiy once and then write it twice, i'd think? |
| [23:44:28] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
| [23:45:02] | wagnerrp: | if that were the case, you could still only recover with one disk failure |
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| [23:45:06] | fryfrog: | i mean, if the parity data is the same for both "chunks" (what do you call it), then the cpu only has to do that calc once? |
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| [23:45:16] | wagnerrp: | there are two parity sets |
| [23:45:22] | wagnerrp: | one is calculated on the data |
| [23:45:26] | fryfrog: | but are they *different*? |
| [23:45:33] | wagnerrp: | the other is calculated on the data, plus the first parity set |
| [23:45:37] | fryfrog: | ohhhhhh |
| [23:45:48] | fryfrog: | so it isn't just two stored copies of the parity data |
| [23:45:57] | wagnerrp: | no, its different parity data |
| [23:46:08] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:46:10] | iamlindoro: | 123 234 345 451 512 |
| [23:46:13] | wagnerrp: | if it were the same data, you would only be able to recover the loss of one disk |
| [23:46:17] | iamlindoro: | That's how the striping works in RAID 6 |
| [23:46:27] | iamlindoro: | Note there are three copies of each stripe |
| [23:46:32] | iamlindoro: | versus raid 5: |
| [23:46:37] | iamlindoro: | 12 23 34 45 51 |
| [23:46:53] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:46:53] | iamlindoro: | Two copies. |
| [23:47:18] | iamlindoro: | Each column there represents a disk |
| [23:47:28] | wagnerrp: | thats not at all how raid5/6 works |
| [23:47:29] | fryfrog: | maybe i don't get what you are saying, but i thought it was more like... D1 D2 D3 D4 P1 for raid5 |
| [23:47:34] | wagnerrp: | thats more like raid1E |
| [23:47:51] | fryfrog: | P1 being parity for D1-D4 |
| [23:48:11] | fryfrog: | well, not parity but a checksum / something |
| [23:48:23] | fryfrog: | since simple parity doesn't provide for error checking and correcting |
| [23:48:25] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro is talking about block mirroring (as opposed to disk mirroring) which is something completely different |
| [23:49:14] | directhex: | raid5 has distributed parity on all disks. raid3 has a parity-only disk. |
| [23:49:15] | iamlindoro: | Raid 5 *does* use clock level striping (and distributes parity |
| [23:49:22] | iamlindoro: | er block level |
| [23:49:42] | wagnerrp: | but in raid5, no block appears twice |
| [23:49:47] | wagnerrp: | nor in raid6 |
| [23:51:38] | fryfrog: | i'd say my understanding of raid jives more with wagnerrp's, but maybe your diagram just isn't making sense in mah brain |
| [23:52:01] | fryfrog: | pretending that raid5 is more like raid3 (just for simple explaination) |
| [23:52:18] | wagnerrp: | raid5 is closer to raid4 than raid3 |
| [23:52:32] | fryfrog: | data is split into chunks and stored 1 chunk on each drive, finally a check sum / parity info is calculated and stored as another chunk |
| [23:53:07] | wagnerrp: | 3 does bitwise parity, 4 does blockwise parity, both with a dedicated parity disk |
| [23:53:08] | fryfrog: | (and of course, in raid5 the parity chunk is not all on one drive) |
| [23:53:15] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [23:53:19] | wagnerrp: | 5 is basically 4 with distributed parity |
| [23:53:43] | fryfrog: | but it isn't really "parity" it is really something else |
| [23:53:47] | fryfrog: | not a checksum... |
| [23:53:52] | fryfrog: | but an equation, sort of? |
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| [23:54:05] | wagnerrp: | XOR |
| [23:54:07] | fryfrog: | since "parity" only really gives the ability to detect an error, not correct it. |
| [23:54:14] | fryfrog: | ah, XOR |
| [23:54:47] | wagnerrp: | basically, you add up the respective bits in the other drives, and the parity bit is even or odd |
| [23:55:01] | fryfrog: | *that* is parity |
| [23:55:08] | wagnerrp: | if youre down one drive, you can just run the equation in reverse, and figure out what the missing bit is |
| [23:55:09] | fryfrog: | and that can't provide error *recovery* |
| [23:56:42] | wagnerrp: | one bit of parity can solve back for one bit of data |
| [23:56:50] | fryfrog: | AHHH! |
| [23:56:51] | fryfrog: | gotcha |
| [23:56:54] | wagnerrp: | similarly, one drive of parity can solve back for one drive of data |
| [23:56:59] | fryfrog: | and that is why you lose 1 drive |
| [23:57:06] | fryfrog: | i r gets it :) |
| [23:57:59] | fryfrog: | during normal read operations, raid5 doesn't compare the parity to real data, does it? |
| [23:58:40] | wagnerrp: | and (in theory) you can add as many levels of parity as you want, but with each level, the equation to solve back for the original bit when at critical gains another order of complexity |
| [23:59:13] | wagnerrp: | so, if you need more than raid6, chances are some form of nested raid is a better option anyway |
| [23:59:17] | fryfrog: | why not just store the same parity twice? my guess is no way of knowing which of the two is "wrong" if they don't match |
| [23:59:25] | fryfrog: | so you have to parity the parity data to be sure? |
| [23:59:50] | wagnerrp: | if you have the same parity twice, how is that any different than a mirror? |
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