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| [00:00:03] | iamlindoro: | spond, You will be able to record the output of your STB with a 150, or watch it live. |
| [00:00:16] | fryfrog: | spond: to watch live *and* record you'd need two cards *and* two STBs |
| [00:00:45] | fryfrog: | but if all you want to do is watch live *or* record (or whatch what you are recording), you only need 1. |
| [00:00:55] | spond: | thats what I was looking for, now will 2 150's do the job |
| [00:01:06] | fryfrog: | with two STBs, yes |
| [00:01:17] | fryfrog: | (or you could go with 1 PVR500, but i don't think they come in half height) |
| [00:01:29] | spond: | what is STB |
| [00:01:33] | iamlindoro: | Set Top Box |
| [00:01:34] | fryfrog: | set top box |
| [00:01:46] | fryfrog: | "Nfusion Nova receiver" in your case |
| [00:01:52] | spond: | ooo |
| [00:02:30] | spond: | I'm glad you said that, I was thinking I would not need a receiver |
| [00:02:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | spond: I use Dish Network, with STBs, feeding Svideo and analog audio into a PVR-500 – just SD though... |
| [00:03:01] | fryfrog: | spond: there are *some* sat services / what ever that you can get a capture card that goes right in the computer |
| [00:03:09] | fryfrog: | free to air satalites |
| [00:03:11] | spond: | pvr500 = 2x150 but not available in low profile |
| [00:03:17] | fryfrog: | but of course, they'll probably be mostly crap |
| [00:03:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | spond: (yeah, as fryfrog pointed out, the 500 isn't half-hight though...) |
| [00:03:40] | spond: | sry info over load, i missed that |
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| [00:05:10] | spond: | I will do some homework and check back with you guys, thanks for the help |
| [00:05:13] | orangepeelbeef_: | so apparently there is only one station that doesn't work.. king5 hd, discover hd is just fine |
| [00:05:41] | orangepeelbeef_: | still can't seem to get audio |
| [00:05:52] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i somerecordedfile |
| [00:05:57] | iamlindoro: | will tell you if there's audio in the file |
| [00:06:12] | iamlindoro: | if not, then it's just not coming off of firewire, and you need to deal with the cable co |
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| [00:07:21] | spond: | I offer support for xbox and xbox 360 at afternet #xbox-sky, if anyone needs answers in that dept. I'll be happy to help. |
| [00:07:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: What are the chances that would backfire on him and they shut off the firewire completely? |
| [00:07:31] | spond: | thanks again |
| [00:07:45] | DarrenCT: | what's the best way to secure mythweb for remote access? |
| [00:07:50] | Dagmar: | Approximately zero |
| [00:07:51] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Slim-ish, the box profiles are per class of device/service, not per individual |
| [00:07:54] | Dagmar: | The FCC doesn't play around |
| [00:08:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | What I meant to say was that they turn on 5C for everything but the locals... |
| [00:08:56] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, More or less there are group policies for each type of box, and for each level of their service on each box-- The odds of them having an engineer write a personal policy for a single person are *very* slim |
| [00:09:19] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A, Well, he's in WA and from what I've heard they do very well in terms of firewire |
| [00:09:26] | iamlindoro: | so it may just be an end-user issue |
| [00:09:35] | iamlindoro: | that's why I suggest a look at the recording |
| [00:10:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, I wouldn't expect them to do it for him individualy, but they may go "woah, didn't realize that was 'open'..." then fix the issue... |
| [00:11:19] | orangepeelbeef_: | there was a setting in the audio/video that says audio mute on |
| [00:11:24] | orangepeelbeef_: | in the diagnostic menu |
| [00:11:33] | orangepeelbeef_: | and for video it says unmuted |
| [00:11:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | orangepeelbeef_: Can you un-mute it? Or is it display only... |
| [00:11:59] | orangepeelbeef_: | don't know if that's the problem or not |
| [00:12:01] | orangepeelbeef_: | display |
| [00:12:09] | iamlindoro: | just look at the dang stream ffs |
| [00:12:19] | orangepeelbeef_: | getting there hold your horses =) |
| [00:12:26] | iamlindoro: | on your own then |
| [00:12:45] | xris: | DarrenCT: read the INSTALL and README files |
| [00:13:22] | DarrenCT: | ok.. that's what I'm doing now.. just found them, thanks ... is htaccess better, or should i do apache config? |
| [00:13:52] | fryfrog: | DarrenCT: same diff |
| [00:14:06] | orangepeelbeef_: | it says there is ac3 audio in it |
| [00:14:09] | DarrenCT: | what's better for a newbie |
| [00:14:23] | fryfrog: | mythweb *comes* with a .htaccess, so i'd use that |
| [00:14:31] | orangepeelbeef_: | Stream #0.1[0x801](eng): Audio: ac3, 48000 Hz, 5:1, 384 kb/s |
| [00:14:33] | DarrenCT: | ok... thanks fryfrog |
| [00:14:34] | fryfrog: | but it is almost exactly the same thing going into each file |
| [00:14:47] | spond: | o.O one more, you said I need 1 card + 1 STB to watch and 1 card + 1 STB to record, say I only record when I'm not watching would I be able to get by with one STB and one card? |
| [00:15:16] | fryfrog: | yup |
| [00:17:08] | spond: | I was hoping to avoid the $300 receiver, what if I got two cards, put one in my pc to receive and one in the pc running mythbuntu to record is that possible |
| [00:17:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | spond: Not in the US... |
| [00:17:39] | spond: | ok |
| [00:17:42] | orangepeelbeef_: | so the file has the audio, its just not playing for me in mythtv for some reason |
| [00:17:55] | xris: | fryfrog: actually, mythweb hasn't used .htaccess for awhile.. it's in an apache conf file |
| [00:18:35] | xris: | DarrenCT: ^^ also, look at the security section in the included file. it's commented out by default, but gives you some info on how to enable it. |
| [00:20:15] | orangepeelbeef_: | so i guess the question is, why does sound play in mythvideo and not in live tv |
| [00:24:30] | iamlindoro: | likely because you are using mplayer in mythvideo and haven't even configured Myth's sound support properly |
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| [00:25:43] | orangepeelbeef_: | well at least i know where to look now. thanks for the help =) |
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| [00:30:23] | orangepeelbeef_: | is there a pulse audio plugin for mythtv? |
| [00:31:07] | iamlindoro: | No. Myth and pulse do not exist nicely together. |
| [00:31:58] | orangepeelbeef_: | i'm using digital output and i finally got everything working using pulse heh, except this i guess |
| [00:32:11] | orangepeelbeef_: | setting it to alsa:spdif should work, but it doesn't |
| [00:32:28] | iamlindoro: | I've seen to evidence that you've used myth's audio handling at all yet |
| [00:32:40] | iamlindoro: | Just because you have audio in mythvideo does NOT mean you're getting it from Myth |
| [00:32:53] | iamlindoro: | as you are likely spawning mplayer to play your videos |
| [00:32:57] | orangepeelbeef_: | yes, i am |
| [00:33:06] | iamlindoro: | ergo, myth does not play nice with pulse |
| [00:33:28] | iamlindoro: | and to play TV, you will need to get *myth's* audio handling working. Which it does not with pulse. |
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| [00:34:01] | iamlindoro: | This is the reason mythbuntu ships without it but normal ubuntu doesn't, for example. |
| [00:34:15] | orangepeelbeef_: | ok i hear ya |
| [00:34:28] | orangepeelbeef_: | i just couldn't get sound working properly solely using alsa |
| [00:34:35] | orangepeelbeef_: | it would work for some things but not for others |
| [00:35:48] | orangepeelbeef_: | certain audio codecs wouldn't play through mplayer and alsa, i don't know why so i switched to pulse |
| [00:35:58] | orangepeelbeef_: | but now it looks like i'll have to switch back and tackle the problem all over again |
| [00:36:34] | iamlindoro: | your audio subsystem has nothing to do with what codecs play |
| [00:37:06] | iamlindoro: | As Alsa, pulse, oss, et. al do no decoding. |
| [00:37:28] | orangepeelbeef_: | all i'm saying is that i switched to pulse and everythign worked (obviously myth didn't) |
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| [00:47:24] | orangepeelbeef_: | got live tv audio working.. thanks iamlindoro |
| [00:47:31] | orangepeelbeef_: | hopefully mplayer and everything else still works heh |
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| [00:54:17] | th1: | so anduin |
| [00:54:55] | th1: | if the recordedseek table is badly broken should I then delete all from it and run mythcommflag on all my shows? |
| [00:55:18] | Anduin: | th1: No need to delete everything |
| [00:55:33] | th1: | I think it's corrupted because there were lots of duplicate keys when I ran mysqlcheck |
| [00:56:22] | Anduin: | th1: yeah but your mysqlcheck should make the table valid now, you can delete everything if you like but when rebuilding old stuff will be removed. |
| [00:57:03] | th1: | ok.. I guess it won't use the old stuff anyway to speed up rebuilding? |
| [00:57:43] | th1: | so, is the command "mythconverg --rebuild --all" ? |
| [00:57:53] | Anduin: | th1: no, it doesn't actually take that long just to rebuild |
| [00:57:55] | Anduin: | yeah |
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| [01:00:22] | th1: | heh, it's gonna take all night I guess, but at least it should be fixed |
| [01:00:36] | th1: | I have 2 TB of shows |
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| [01:00:52] | th1: | thanks Anduin |
| [01:01:03] | Anduin: | th1: If you do actually truncate the table it should be usable until then |
| [01:01:14] | th1: | ah |
| [01:01:23] | th1: | so it will do it on the fly when you open a recording? |
| [01:01:27] | Anduin: | though how well it works has varied |
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| [01:02:06] | th1: | well it's pretty fast, it'll be done by tomorrow AM beore anyone wants to watch tv ;) |
| [01:02:24] | th1: | (hopefully :) |
| [01:03:17] | th1: | is it possible to run more than one instance of mythcommflag and will tey then spread the load? my server got 8 cores |
| [01:04:10] | th1: | I guess not since they don't check if the data already exists for a file. would be cool with a --threads 5 option or something |
| [01:04:15] | Anduin: | th1: You can run more than one, though it will not be smart about things |
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| [01:04:47] | Anduin: | th1: with a little manual intervention where you rebuild by --chanid it could be done though |
| [01:04:54] | th1: | anyway I'm sort of guessing that the limiting factor is disk thruput |
| [01:05:02] | th1: | not CPU.. |
| [01:05:25] | wagnerrp: | that depends... what kind of disk do you have? |
| [01:05:28] | th1: | yep.. mythcommflag is using 57% cpu |
| [01:05:34] | th1: | I have a 6 TB raid5 |
| [01:05:49] | th1: | (hardware) |
| [01:06:16] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be hitting anything close to the read limit on that |
| [01:06:23] | th1: | it gives about 100MB/s read and 60MB/s write |
| [01:06:37] | spond: | 6tb raid5? is that rack mount? |
| [01:06:38] | th1: | for just scanning the files for seek info? |
| [01:06:51] | th1: | well its a rackmount case but its standing on the floor in my attic ;) |
| [01:07:05] | th1: | its an Antec rackmount case |
| [01:07:08] | spond: | your either rich or robbed a data center |
| [01:07:16] | th1: | nah |
| [01:07:26] | th1: | I built it from stuff I bought off ebay couple years ago |
| [01:07:43] | spond: | is it NAS or server attached |
| [01:07:58] | th1: | whole server with 8 cores cost me less than $2000 with 1TB storage, but then I upgraded the disks this year to 6*1TB disks |
| [01:08:15] | spond: | very nice |
| [01:08:18] | th1: | it's server attached with LSI MegaRaid SATA controller |
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| [01:08:35] | th1: | 8 port raid SATA2 raid controller with battery backup |
| [01:08:39] | th1: | and PCI-X |
| [01:09:01] | spond: | I just have 2tb raid1 nas |
| [01:09:02] | th1: | yeah, it's a nice setup :) |
| [01:09:31] | Maliuta: | raid1 is no speed advantage |
| [01:09:44] | th1: | no but certainly a safety advantage Maliuta |
| [01:09:59] | th1: | raid5 is also no real speed advantage but it's a cheaper way to get redundancy than raid1 |
| [01:10:06] | spond: | im not going for data storage |
| [01:10:12] | spond: | *speed |
| [01:10:20] | Maliuta: | raid5 is a speed advantage |
| [01:10:24] | th1: | if I had raid1 I'd have 3TB, now I have 5 |
| [01:10:26] | Maliuta: | with some safetey in it |
| [01:10:44] | th1: | Maliuta, raid1 is a huge speed advantage for reads, same as raid0 |
| [01:10:49] | th1: | for writes its the same as no raid |
| [01:11:02] | th1: | now, RAID50, if you can afford it ;) |
| [01:11:43] | ** Maliuta is more than familiar with the benifits of various raid levels ** | |
| [01:11:51] | spond: | I cant, my two severs are ancient p3's i saved from the dumpster lol |
| [01:11:52] | th1: | ok |
| [01:11:59] | th1: | lol |
| [01:12:04] | th1: | its the way to go ;) |
| [01:12:22] | th1: | next time I upgrade I guess raid will be dead |
| [01:12:29] | th1: | because raid will be built into the SSD disks |
| [01:12:53] | th1: | that co-polymer flash that's coming out |
| [01:13:09] | th1: | apparently you can have 16TB in a square inch |
| [01:13:17] | th1: | and only a few microns thick so it can be layered |
| [01:13:55] | th1: | anyway, for now Samsung is king with their terabyte raid drives |
| [01:14:12] | spond: | next time I upgrade there will be tb flash drives lol |
| [01:14:28] | th1: | hehe |
| [01:16:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A just lost his software raid5, which was pretty slow (even with an Athlon 64 X2 4800 cpu) due to two HDD's failing during a reboot... (they were working without errors before shutting down the system!)... 2.4TB of recordings gone... so now I"m basically using JBOD with storage groups... ** | |
| [01:17:25] | th1: | well |
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| [01:17:46] | th1: | I have a separate 1TB raid in another PC and I backup important stuff (like photos etc) on that. |
| [01:17:59] | wagnerrp: | raid5 certainly has speed advantages |
| [01:18:05] | th1: | but yeah it's possible for 2 drives to fail.. hence raid6.. but I didn't want to buy a new raid controller ;) |
| [01:18:06] | spond: | I burn everything I can to disc |
| [01:18:14] | wagnerrp: | depending on the striping, it may not aid in writing, but it certainly aids in reading |
| [01:18:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | maybe Hardware raid5 ... but not software raid5 I don't think.. |
| [01:18:52] | th1: | J-e-f-f-A, I guess if 2 drives die at the same time you're equally f***** with software and hardware raid |
| [01:19:04] | wagnerrp: | i rate at ~300MB/s on my raid5 (reading) |
| [01:19:21] | th1: | wagnerrp, how do you measure that? |
| [01:19:34] | spond: | I will be getting my hands on an old tivoli tape library soon, planning on using that to back up my NAS |
| [01:19:47] | wagnerrp: | any number of ways |
| [01:19:59] | wagnerrp: | the most basic of which is just catting or dding something to /dev/null |
| [01:21:50] | th1: | wagnerrp, I've never gone beyond 70mb/sec read.. |
| [01:21:51] | th1: | http://www.infowares.com/8bitwiki/index.php/Server_benchmarks |
| [01:22:02] | wagnerrp: | what card? |
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| [01:22:19] | th1: | lsi megaraid sata 300–8x |
| [01:23:53] | wagnerrp: | hardware or software card? lsi makes both |
| [01:24:02] | th1: | it's hardware |
| [01:24:36] | th1: | there's a review of the card here http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/disp . . . 0.html#sect0 |
| [01:24:38] | wagnerrp: | of course 8-core, you should have plenty of power for a CPU-based card |
| [01:26:05] | th1: | yes but I started out with 2 singlecores ;) |
| [01:26:12] | th1: | now I have 2 4-cores |
| [01:26:19] | th1: | I always upgrade when I can get cheap stuff off ebay ;) |
| [01:26:40] | wagnerrp: | i mean even if it were host-based, you should be getting better speeds than that sequential |
| [01:26:50] | th1: | anyway I think the performance might be a lot better than the 70mb/sec I got back then since the drivers were improved |
| [01:27:00] | th1: | I only benchmarked it over a year ago |
| [01:27:09] | th1: | I know wagnerrp :/ |
| [01:28:26] | th1: | well |
| [01:28:56] | th1: | with hdparm -tT I get 629,27MB cached / 53.13MB/sec buffered disk reads, right now when 2–3 processes are also hammering the disks |
| [01:29:03] | th1: | so I guess it's a lot better now |
| [01:30:30] | th1: | still I've never seen above 100mb/sec |
| [01:30:34] | th1: | I wonder what could be wrong.. |
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| [01:42:22] | wagnerrp: | ive got the 12-port one of these: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/disp . . . arc1220.html |
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| [01:56:43] | ** iamlindoro wonders if this "Sanctuary" show will be any good ** | |
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| [01:57:46] | wagnerrp: | sounds kind of like xmen |
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| [01:58:19] | wagnerrp: | its a place where 'different' people can be safe and train |
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| [02:00:16] | mattwj2002: | hey everyone |
| [02:04:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: I'm sorry to have to tell you this — 'everyone' is no longer with us, he passed unexpectedly last month... Very sad... But perhaps one of us can help you though... |
| [02:06:46] | ** mattwj2002 cries ** | |
| [02:07:00] | wagnerrp: | alas poor everyone, i knew him well |
| [02:08:07] | mattwj2002: | on a serious note... |
| [02:08:20] | mattwj2002: | has anyone tried mythflash? |
| [02:08:38] | wagnerrp: | its outdated |
| [02:08:45] | mattwj2002: | it sounds really neat |
| [02:08:47] | wagnerrp: | mythweb has such capability integrated now |
| [02:08:53] | wagnerrp: | upgrade to 0.21 |
| [02:09:49] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah sweet |
| [02:10:10] | wagnerrp: | its considerably more advanced, transcoding is now done on-the-fly, rather than having to be pre-rendered |
| [02:10:16] | mattwj2002: | does it use flash? |
| [02:10:41] | wagnerrp: | it uses flv |
| [02:10:58] | wagnerrp: | with a compatible player built into the page |
| [02:11:03] | mattwj2002: | nice |
| [02:11:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... Which is Flash Video, right? ;-) |
| [02:11:19] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [02:11:21] | mattwj2002: | you don't need to download vlc or anything to use it right?? |
| [02:11:22] | wagnerrp: | but its not flash |
| [02:11:32] | wagnerrp: | it cant play on its own |
| [02:11:37] | mattwj2002: | sounds cool :D |
| [02:12:07] | wagnerrp: | how much bandwidth do you have? (upstream) |
| [02:12:11] | mattwj2002: | next weekend I'll probably be building my new system |
| [02:12:16] | mattwj2002: | 768 kbps |
| [02:12:35] | wagnerrp: | thats sufficient for moderate quality |
| [02:12:50] | mattwj2002: | any way of doing live TV? |
| [02:12:59] | wagnerrp: | not at the moment |
| [02:13:21] | mattwj2002: | recorded is cool enough anyways |
| [02:13:36] | mattwj2002: | with 1.5 TB....there will be plenty to watch right now :D |
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| [02:13:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | mattwj2002: There is a 'workaround' imho — just start a recording with mythweb, then watch it... |
| [02:14:40] | mattwj2002: | nice |
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| [02:17:20] | mattwj2002: | I am watching a demo video on mythbuntu |
| [02:17:34] | mattwj2002: | man this software has came a long ways fast |
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| [02:24:58] | Smirnov: | is it right that the netflix quality is actually worse than hulu? |
| [02:25:54] | mattwj2002: | on Linux it definitely is since you can't play netflix on Linux |
| [02:25:55] | mattwj2002: | :P |
| [02:26:06] | mattwj2002: | unless your talking about the DVD |
| [02:26:07] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [02:26:30] | Smirnov: | well, vmware :P |
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| [02:29:03] | clev: | J-e-f-f-A: ive ran a full mythfrontend over the internet before(with myth and mysql going thru the web) |
| [02:29:11] | mattwj2002: | brb |
| [02:29:15] | clev: | that could work for livetv but would lag a ton |
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| [02:29:30] | clev: | though i only had 50kbyte/sec upstream |
| [02:30:14] | Smirnov: | i give netflix an F- for not streaming subtitles separately from the video.. as a result they are unreadable on Basic |
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| [02:33:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | clev: I've done it through an ssh tunnel on NX, tv isn't watchable, but everything works... ;-) |
| [02:33:41] | clev: | i was using a udp based vpn |
| [02:33:46] | clev: | with nfs mounts |
| [02:34:10] | clev: | the upstream was nowhere big enough for video, 1 hour took 12 to transfer |
| [02:34:24] | clev: | but once i convinced mythfrontend to play the local copy, it worked somewhat ok |
| [02:34:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | I really liked the unofficial "MythStreamTV" 'plugin' (although it was never a plugin, more of a hack to mythweb), but I liked it... |
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| [02:36:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | I streamed a few RedSox games for a co-worker, and a few Nascar races for him too... (both him and his brother). |
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| [02:58:09] | Lexridge: | Is it possible to run two instances of mythtv on one computer with two monitors? |
| [02:58:24] | Lexridge: | with a dual tuner backend, of course. |
| [02:59:21] | wagnerrp: | not really |
| [02:59:43] | wagnerrp: | you can run them, but lirc will conflict |
| [02:59:43] | Lexridge: | I had my doubts. :( |
| [02:59:57] | Lexridge: | humm, I'm not using lirc |
| [02:59:57] | wagnerrp: | you cant differentiate between controlling one or the other |
| [02:59:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge: Well, I've run mythfrontend on my 2nd display fullscreen fine... |
| [03:00:27] | wagnerrp: | aside from lirc, ive run a frontend in VNC parallel to my primary frontend, for testing, with no ill effect |
| [03:00:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge, wagnerrp – Well, you could I would think , especially if you don't hide the mouse, so you could select one or the other with the mouse, then use the keyboard... |
| [03:00:58] | Lexridge: | I have run it through vnc as well, but no audio. |
| [03:01:22] | wagnerrp: | with the keyboard, it shouldnt be a problem |
| [03:01:42] | wagnerrp: | sound would be a bit of a problem |
| [03:01:52] | Lexridge: | Would not the backend recognize the same IP twice, creating problems? |
| [03:01:58] | wagnerrp: | because both frontends would pull from the same database, and try to use the same card |
| [03:02:08] | wagnerrp: | theres no way to set that from the command line |
| [03:02:19] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: that is what I was thinking too. |
| [03:02:52] | Lexridge: | perhaps mythtv should have a command line option for this very thing. |
| [03:03:04] | wagnerrp: | basically, mythtv is not designed to have multiple instances on the same machine |
| [03:03:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | You might be able to cheat, and make a copy of mythfrontend, ie "mythfrontend2", and be able to train two different remotes, one for 'mythfrontend', the other for 'mythfrontend2'... (I dount know if it will work, but it sounds good to me! I may be blowing smoke!) |
| [03:03:27] | wagnerrp: | unless youre running a multihead box (rather rare), there would be no reason for it |
| [03:03:41] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: except its trained for 'mythtv' |
| [03:03:46] | Lexridge: | jeffa: that might work, but a lot of the code would probably need to be changed as well. |
| [03:03:48] | wagnerrp: | its an identifier compiled into the code |
| [03:04:00] | wagnerrp: | you would have to rebuild a second, modified frontend |
| [03:04:19] | Lexridge: | exactly! |
| [03:04:26] | wagnerrp: | you can also run two copies of mythtv with two different databases, to pull different settings |
| [03:04:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks that would be a great thing to be able to change with a command line flag... ;-) ** | |
| [03:04:36] | wagnerrp: | but then they would not be on the same system |
| [03:04:49] | wagnerrp: | and would not share recordings |
| [03:04:50] | Lexridge: | I've run into the same problem with lirc. |
| [03:05:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... a thought... what about running the 2nd instance in a virtual machine? ;-) |
| [03:05:57] | wagnerrp: | the virtual machine would have a different hostname |
| [03:06:08] | wagnerrp: | so would show up as a different machine in the database |
| [03:06:22] | wagnerrp: | but... could you get xv to work inside the virtual machine? |
| [03:06:24] | Lexridge: | jeffa: this would probably work, if it were not for the generic gfx driver most vm use. |
| [03:07:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, forgot about that... humm... I knew the backend won't run in a VM, but though perhaps the frontend would... DOH!!!! |
| [03:07:49] | Lexridge: | what if the frontend had two different NICs? Can mythfrontend be forced to use a host address? |
| [03:08:12] | Smirnov: | i hope you have a mad power computer since playing video in a virtual machine is pretty slow |
| [03:09:18] | Smirnov: | and you can only dream about playing anything HD |
| [03:09:33] | Lexridge: | lemme rephrase that: Can I run one instance of mythfrontend on 192.168.1.1 and another from the second nic 192.168.1.2? |
| [03:10:44] | Lexridge: | or even a virtual addres (eth0:1) |
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| [03:11:15] | wagnerrp: | the backend has a much better chance of running in a VM than the frontend |
| [03:11:20] | Smirnov: | myth wont care if you bind to a real ip or a virtual ip |
| [03:11:21] | Lexridge: | smirov: HD is hard without a VM. |
| [03:11:50] | wagnerrp: | your best bet may be a Vserver |
| [03:12:09] | wagnerrp: | its a kernel based VM |
| [03:12:21] | wagnerrp: | meaning everything runs directly, no virtualization |
| [03:12:29] | wagnerrp: | just memory and file space isolation |
| [03:12:35] | wagnerrp: | like a chroot on steroids |
| [03:12:42] | wagnerrp: | however it gets it own IP address and hostname |
| [03:12:53] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: Yea, I familiar with it. Not really a direction I wanted to go however. |
| [03:13:06] | Smirnov: | sounds like how linux should be by dfeault |
| [03:13:14] | wagnerrp: | there should be negligible processor overhead |
| [03:13:30] | wagnerrp: | and then you just pipe video over a TCP socket |
| [03:13:34] | Lexridge: | with that said, I really need to update this Fedora 6 system to Fedora 8 or 9. I'm getting tired of compiling all my updates. |
| [03:13:48] | wagnerrp: | audio, if you have a second sound card, you could give the VM direct access |
| [03:14:04] | wagnerrp: | similarly, if you have a second video card, it could have direct hardware access, and run its own X server |
| [03:14:24] | mattwj2002: | might be easier just to buy another computer |
| [03:14:25] | Lexridge: | I have a M-Audio Delta 1010. Plenty of audio channels to route. |
| [03:14:26] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:14:51] | wagnerrp: | ive only had limited experience with esound |
| [03:15:01] | wagnerrp: | but i remember it being a pain in the ass to get network audio streaming working |
| [03:15:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, rewind a minute here... I'm running two copies of the frontend on my backend box now (in windows), and watching different shows... what is the issue again? |
| [03:15:16] | wagnerrp: | the issue is sound |
| [03:15:24] | Lexridge: | I actually have another computer I have built for this, but I had a serious opossum problem in my garage, where this frontend is installed. I think I finally got rid of them, so I can install this second mythfrontend computer. |
| [03:15:29] | wagnerrp: | they will output over the same sound card |
| [03:15:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, because only one 'frontend' setting... Yeah, |
| [03:15:41] | wagnerrp: | so there would be no way to set up the two outputs as two different 'zones' |
| [03:16:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | so Lexridge , do you code? Submit a patch to add a command-line flag to override the 'unique identifier'... |
| [03:16:38] | Lexridge: | the audio routing of the Delta 1010 is quite dynamic. It could certainly handle it, but I would have to use jack with mythtv, which has proven to be problematic. |
| [03:16:58] | wagnerrp: | that would be an interesting experiment |
| [03:17:22] | wagnerrp: | see if you could get independent zones running separate frontends in a vserver |
| [03:17:44] | Lexridge: | I agree it would be an interesting experiment. However, I don't know C++. My coding days died with the Amiga. :( |
| [03:17:57] | wagnerrp: | however i bit i could count on one hand the number of people who would ever use it |
| [03:18:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A loves his Amigas... even though he hasn't turned any of them on in more than a year... (DOH!) ** | |
| [03:18:55] | ** J-e-f-f-A has become a LInux nut the last few years... ;-) ** | |
| [03:18:57] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: I could count a lot more than that. Something like this could turn MythTV into a video routing switcher. That would be quite popular in the broadcast world. |
| [03:19:38] | wagnerrp: | well except that there is already dedicated hardware that would do a much better job at such a task |
| [03:19:54] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yes, but not nearly as cheaply. |
| [03:19:55] | wagnerrp: | it would only be worthwhile for someone trying to set up an in-home AV system |
| [03:20:09] | wagnerrp: | in the broadcast world, you get what you pay for |
| [03:20:16] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: which is essentually what I would like to do |
| [03:21:11] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yea, the 32x32 Harris HD-SDI router I just ordered for where I work was $99K!!!!! |
| [03:21:40] | Lexridge: | you certainly get what you pay for. |
| [03:21:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Bought a cheap little iPod clone, and the "AMV" convert tool doesn't like my the mpg files on my winblows pc... |
| [03:22:18] | Lexridge: | jeffa: try using avidemux for windows. It likes everything! |
| [03:22:31] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: feed it an avisynth script |
| [03:22:57] | clev: | Lexridge: http://decklink.com/products/videohub/ |
| [03:23:12] | clev: | prepare to drool:P |
| [03:23:19] | wagnerrp: | use dgindex to decode the mpeg file, then make an avisynth script. it will feed raw yuv to any application that wants it |
| [03:23:25] | Lexridge: | clev: I actually considered the black magic videohub, but they have not remote control panels available....that killed it. |
| [03:23:44] | clev: | Lexridge: it seems to have some computer based control and some sony one |
| [03:23:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | I have a real iPod video, just thought I'd give this little $40 4GB clone a whirl... wagnerrp and Lexridge – thanks – I'll take a look at them now... |
| [03:23:59] | Lexridge: | clev: I spent many hours working on this, no go. |
| [03:24:12] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i do all of my windows encoding in megui |
| [03:24:12] | clev: | if the comp one was network based, you could probly route it over something else |
| [03:24:51] | Lexridge: | clev: the harris router is also 3Gb/s, plus it has a 32 input PiP over 4 1080P monitors. |
| [03:25:07] | clev: | and i have no idea what half of that means:P |
| [03:25:19] | clev: | i just know that it can handle massive ammounts of bandwidth |
| [03:26:07] | wagnerrp: | celv: is that a usb port on the front of that router? |
| [03:26:27] | Lexridge: | PiP = picture in picture. this thing can overlay 32 input sources onto up to four 1080P SDI monitors...allow you to position and size every input across the four monitors. |
| [03:26:28] | clev: | looks like it... |
| [03:26:39] | clev: | Lexridge: i know what PiP is:P |
| [03:26:53] | clev: | but thats advanced PiP |
| [03:27:04] | clev: | the kind of stuff i would have to do with 32 mplayer windows :P |
| [03:27:12] | wagnerrp: | thats not really PnP, more like tiling |
| [03:27:15] | clev: | which would kill any normal cpu |
| [03:27:19] | Lexridge: | clev: yes, massive is an understatment! |
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| [03:28:15] | clev: | it could easily be in the terabit/second range |
| [03:28:16] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: tiling would be more accurate. Not sure what CPU this unit uses, but I'll bet it's several. :) |
| [03:28:44] | wagnerrp: | im sure its some form of ginormous DSP |
| [03:28:52] | Lexridge: | what amazes me is that coax (remember 10 base 2) can carry that much data! |
| [03:28:53] | wagnerrp: | not a CPU in the sense you would think of one |
| [03:29:10] | clev: | if you leave each of the 'mpeg blocks' intact and just splice them together between streams then it wont need very much power |
| [03:29:12] | clev: | a great deal less then decoding&encoding |
| [03:29:23] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: you do know that digital cable is transmitting FARRRRR.... more than 3gbps dont you? |
| [03:29:33] | Lexridge: | clev: oh no, not mpeg, but uncompressed HDTV 1080i or p |
| [03:29:54] | clev: | yeah that would be alot more data, but still the same basic idea |
| [03:29:55] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: of course. |
| [03:30:00] | clev: | no decoding/encoding |
| [03:30:09] | clev: | just basic stream copying |
| [03:30:10] | wagnerrp: | each channel is ~40mbps |
| [03:30:33] | wagnerrp: | although i dont really know how many channels are available |
| [03:30:55] | Lexridge: | clev: this router has 32 HD inputs, and 32 outputs....so at any given moment, it is driving 64 full uncompressed I/O |
| [03:30:56] | clev: | weee, smbd is sucking 50% of my cpu |
| [03:31:18] | clev: | Lexridge: yeah that is massive ammounts of bandwidth |
| [03:31:18] | Lexridge: | so, 360MB/s x 64!! YIKES! |
| [03:31:37] | clev: | that would be 23.04 GB/s ! |
| [03:31:38] | wagnerrp: | thats why it costs $100K |
| [03:31:45] | Lexridge: | yup! |
| [03:31:55] | clev: | dont drop it! |
| [03:32:04] | wagnerrp: | of course my PS3 has that much internal CPU bandwidth |
| [03:32:07] | Lexridge: | it will be insured. LOL |
| [03:32:19] | wagnerrp: | i think graphics cards are 3–4 times that by now |
| [03:32:25] | clev: | my dad works with some xray parts that are in a similar price range |
| [03:32:37] | clev: | stuff that can be damaged just by being stored at the wrong temp |
| [03:32:42] | Lexridge: | have you guys seen the new Cell codec cards? It was on slashdot last night. |
| [03:32:52] | clev: | the delivery dude |
| [03:33:00] | clev: | left it in the damn truck overnight |
| [03:33:02] | clev: | in the winter |
| [03:33:11] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: thats not a Cell, rather a Cell-derivative |
| [03:33:20] | wagnerrp: | no PPE, only four SPEs, at half speed |
| [03:33:32] | Lexridge: | so they are lacking? |
| [03:33:33] | iamlindoro: | And utterly useless for linux |
| [03:33:33] | wagnerrp: | plus some hardwired video codecs |
| [03:33:42] | wagnerrp: | its called the SpursEngine |
| [03:34:01] | clev: | iamlindoro: then write your own driver:P |
| [03:34:03] | iamlindoro: | by the time anyone could get anything working with those cards we're likely to have both software frame based multithreading and closed source GPU hardware offload |
| [03:34:05] | Lexridge: | I thought it looked impressive. Perhaps it was all sell and no balls. |
| [03:34:17] | iamlindoro: | clev, Why would I want to? See my point above. |
| [03:34:46] | wagnerrp: | oh, it is very impressive, if you know how to code for it |
| [03:34:55] | wagnerrp: | of course the x1 interface is somewhat limiting |
| [03:35:05] | Lexridge: | clev: All the new HD stuff is going to be installed into a new climate controlled, dust proof server room. |
| [03:35:21] | clev: | Lexridge: nice |
| [03:35:49] | clev: | alot more clean then some of the stuff my dad fixes sometimes |
| [03:35:55] | Lexridge: | clev: APC is delivering the 30kw UPS next week. They have their own develivy service. Who knew? |
| [03:36:05] | clev: | he got a call once asking if moose blood would damage the machine |
| [03:36:13] | Lexridge: | clev: not good! |
| [03:36:57] | clev: | my UPS is an old unit that had a pair of 6v cells in it |
| [03:37:02] | wagnerrp: | well when you consider a 30kW UPS with a worthwhile amount of battery time is probably over a ton, i doubt its cost effective to use fedex |
| [03:37:03] | clev: | which was wired to give 12v |
| [03:37:23] | clev: | i tore them out and wired my own set of several 12v baterys in |
| [03:37:29] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: It is rated for 30 minutes. |
| [03:37:35] | wagnerrp: | SLA i would hope |
| [03:37:38] | clev: | but i didnt use the proper wiring, and things got melty:P |
| [03:37:51] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: of course :) |
| [03:37:59] | clev: | the UPS started to cut out randomly and rebooted things |
| [03:38:20] | clev: | i was going to check the voltage but then i noticed the wire cut thru the rubber boot like a hot knife thru butter |
| [03:38:30] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: it is also a three phase UPS. |
| [03:38:47] | Lexridge: | clev: I HATE when that happens!!! |
| [03:38:50] | clev: | my UPS doesnt give clean power, it causes one of my laptops to crash |
| [03:38:55] | mattwj2002: | you didn't start anything on fire did you clev? |
| [03:39:03] | wagnerrp: | well three phase doesnt mean much, you just have to tack on 2 extra alternaters |
| [03:39:03] | clev: | mattwj2002: no fire luckily:P |
| [03:39:19] | wagnerrp: | although at that power level, im surprised the equipment doesnt allow direct DC input |
| [03:39:22] | mattwj2002: | or should I say yet? ;) |
| [03:39:26] | clev: | wagnerrp: it would be simpler to just run the stuff right from DC |
| [03:39:27] | wagnerrp: | and run permanently off battery |
| [03:39:43] | clev: | that laptop that the UPS would crash, i opened it up to see about hard wiring it to the baterys |
| [03:39:46] | clev: | but it wants 18v |
| [03:39:57] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: where can one get direct DC input? The power company only offers AC. |
| [03:40:08] | wagnerrp: | the UPS would output DC |
| [03:40:13] | wagnerrp: | the hardware would accept DC |
| [03:40:28] | wagnerrp: | and the UPS would run live, rather than the typical standby mode |
| [03:40:32] | Lexridge: | the UPS is fully conditioned, and runs from batteries 100%. |
| [03:40:42] | clev: | i have ran a 12v line from my UPS to a plain car inverter before |
| [03:40:55] | Lexridge: | the SOB was $40K, if it doesn't, it's going back ;) |
| [03:41:17] | clev: | who do you work for |
| [03:41:22] | clev: | how the heck are you paying for all this:P |
| [03:41:22] | Lexridge: | and it weights 2800lbs.....all batteries, most likely |
| [03:41:31] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a broadcasting outfit |
| [03:41:37] | Lexridge: | clev: It's the TV station I work for. |
| [03:41:44] | clev: | and which tv station is that:P |
| [03:41:51] | Lexridge: | wdtv.com |
| [03:41:55] | wagnerrp: | at that power level, i dare say the inverters and alternators take a couple hundred of those pounds |
| [03:42:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | The UPS systems on the mainframes I've worked with for the last 18 years have all been 'online' ups systems... they always ran off of DC, and the incoming power just provided the DC power to run the ups and keep the batteries charged. |
| [03:42:14] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yea, probably so |
| [03:42:34] | clev: | J-e-f-f-A: some of the UPS's offered for the xray machines, are based on a massive spinning wheel |
| [03:42:36] | Lexridge: | jeffa: that is the way this one will work too |
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| [03:42:53] | clev: | when the power goes out, the huge mass continues to spin and keeps the generator going |
| [03:43:21] | wagnerrp: | electromechanical batteries |
| [03:43:27] | Lexridge: | what is funny, well, sorta, I originally ordered a 15Kw UPS, before I did my power equations. Doh, I was way off!!!! |
| [03:43:40] | clev: | lol |
| [03:43:54] | clev: | we only have 100 amp service on the house:P |
| [03:43:57] | Lexridge: | good thing it hadn't shipped yet!! |
| [03:44:06] | clev: | you could probly run my whole house on that thing for hours |
| [03:44:37] | Lexridge: | We already have a 600amp drop in the station. We are adding an addition 100amp for this new 2200 square foot facility,. |
| [03:44:46] | iamlindoro: | oh not *your* house, clever |
| [03:45:04] | clev: | 100 amps isnt enough either, the lights dim when things start up |
| [03:45:04] | iamlindoro: | Does it ever make you feel bad when your dad cries late at night when he thinks you're asleep, after reading the power bill? |
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| [03:45:23] | Lexridge: | you have to realize the studio lighting along is somewhere in the territory of 90Kw |
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| [03:45:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | The UPS systems at my old company were Leibert units, 3-phase, don't remember the capacity, but they would run our systems for 30 mins by themselves, really only needed to for 30 seconds until the generator kicked in... |
| [03:45:45] | clev: | ive seen the bill :P |
| [03:46:02] | clev: | Lexridge: no i didnt think about that:P |
| [03:46:12] | Lexridge: | we too have a generator, it's 100kw, but has never been wired in....imagine that! |
| [03:46:13] | wagnerrp: | we pull something like 60kW idling, probably double that under load in mid summer |
| [03:46:33] | mattwj2002: | this is for a TV studio? |
| [03:46:33] | wagnerrp: | the guys down the street are rated at over 1MW |
| [03:46:47] | Lexridge: | our HVAC for the new building is 20kw alone! It will NOT be UPSed. |
| [03:47:02] | ** mattwj2002 is have half asleep ** | |
| [03:47:03] | clev: | prepare to sweat once the power goes out:P |
| [03:47:19] | Lexridge: | clev: yea, I have thought of that...lol |
| [03:47:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge: Yeah, our A/C was not on the UPS systems, only the generator. |
| [03:47:40] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: who is "down the street". |
| [03:47:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | Only the computers and comm equipment was on the UPS. |
| [03:48:17] | wagnerrp: | we are the computational people, just a big ass cluster |
| [03:48:22] | mattwj2002: | computers don't like to be shut off incorrectionally |
| [03:48:24] | wagnerrp: | the people down the street are the experimental people |
| [03:48:30] | wagnerrp: | they have some very large electric heaters |
| [03:48:47] | wagnerrp: | combustion lab |
| [03:49:06] | clev: | my laptop cpu fan puts out enough heat to roast your hands |
| [03:49:12] | Lexridge: | mattwj2002: yes, a tv studio....and yes, computers do not like to be killed. |
| [03:49:25] | wagnerrp: | they need that kind of power if they want to hit the proper temperatures (2500+F) without using jet fuel |
| [03:49:34] | clev: | Lexridge: linux seems to generaly take improper shutdowns better, i rarely notice any problem |
| [03:49:35] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yea, they probably use lots of watts. |
| [03:49:44] | mattwj2002: | do you broadcast from the same building? |
| [03:49:56] | Lexridge: | clev: same here, with ext3....XFS does not like it however |
| [03:49:57] | mattwj2002: | is this an over the air station? |
| [03:50:06] | wagnerrp: | the lab back on campus has a 200kW heater just to reheat the air coming out of their high pressure tanks |
| [03:50:13] | Lexridge: | matt: yes, and yes. |
| [03:50:13] | clev: | Lexridge: ive only got ext3 and some ext2 |
| [03:50:25] | mattwj2002: | how many watts do you put out? |
| [03:50:26] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [03:50:27] | clev: | the fat stuff is allmost never mounted |
| [03:50:40] | Lexridge: | clev: XFS is the recommended f/s for /video under myth. |
| [03:50:59] | wagnerrp: | there is no recommended f/s for myth |
| [03:51:04] | clev: | im doing some ugly samba mounts for myth:P |
| [03:51:09] | wagnerrp: | rather ext3 is recommended against |
| [03:51:21] | Lexridge: | matt: 100,000. Channel 5 full power. |
| [03:51:44] | mattwj2002: | good thing your dad doesn't have to pay that bill :D |
| [03:52:16] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: perhaps you are right, but when setting up myth for the first time, the howto I used recommended XFS for quick deletion. |
| [03:52:47] | wagnerrp: | thats just the opinion of the writer of the howto |
| [03:52:48] | clev: | Lexridge: and the undelete option helps to delay deletes for a later time when you could more afford them |
| [03:52:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A used to use jfs, but switched to xfs last week after my raid went bye-bye... :-( ** | |
| [03:53:04] | Lexridge: | WDTV's power bill between the remote transmitter site, and studio runs around $3k per month. Not bad really. |
| [03:53:21] | mattwj2002: | actually that isn't too bad |
| [03:53:29] | Lexridge: | clev: this is true. |
| [03:53:35] | mattwj2002: | what is it at the transmitter site though? |
| [03:53:45] | mattwj2002: | that is where your burning the juice |
| [03:53:57] | mattwj2002: | nm |
| [03:54:01] | mattwj2002: | I read that wrong |
| [03:54:06] | wagnerrp: | well figure it out, 100kW, ~$0.10-$0.15/kW |
| [03:54:44] | Lexridge: | matt: a 1956 B/W transmitter modified for NTSC in 1962. It's about 50 foot long and 12 foot tall. It is a freaking dinosaur! |
| [03:55:00] | clev: | lol |
| [03:55:02] | wagnerrp: | that cant be right, that should be ~$10K/mo |
| [03:55:07] | Lexridge: | nope! |
| [03:55:22] | Lexridge: | we use so much freaking power, we get a healthy discount! |
| [03:55:48] | wagnerrp: | not 1/3 price, thats below the price theyre generating at |
| [03:55:52] | Lexridge: | we pay about one third of average consumer. |
| [03:56:15] | mattwj2002: | that is a lot of juice |
| [03:56:22] | mattwj2002: | but heck your a tv station |
| [03:56:29] | Lexridge: | We are in WV. west virginia generates a shitton of the power for New York City.....it's cheaper here. |
| [03:56:49] | wagnerrp: | no transmission costs... |
| [03:57:07] | wagnerrp: | around here, transmission is about half our price |
| [03:57:09] | Lexridge: | I included the cost of operating the transmitter. |
| [03:57:25] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: do you work in broadcast tv as well? |
| [03:57:32] | wagnerrp: | power transmission (over the power lines) |
| [03:57:43] | Lexridge: | oh, IC |
| [03:57:54] | wagnerrp: | if you look at the electricity bill, theres a power charge, and a transmission charge |
| [03:58:03] | Lexridge: | so you work for a power provider? |
| [03:58:16] | wagnerrp: | no, i just read the electric bill |
| [03:58:35] | wagnerrp: | at least on mine, the charges are listed separately |
| [03:58:40] | Lexridge: | I have actually not ever seen the power bill, but have ask on several occassions what that bill was. |
| [03:58:46] | clev: | ive never seen it either |
| [03:58:58] | wagnerrp: | you dont use electricity at home? |
| [03:59:12] | Lexridge: | I was as surprised as you are....quite frankly |
| [04:00:19] | Lexridge: | My wife pays the power bill at home.....we split things, so I never see that one as well....however, we are on a rural electrification system that is about twice that of everyone else.....roughtly $160/month. |
| [04:00:49] | Lexridge: | my electric is about twice that of alleghaney customers. :( |
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| [04:03:01] | Lexridge: | What is surprising, we use natural gas for heating, cooking and the water heater, the only electric we use is for lighting, TVs and computers, which there are four that are on 24/7 |
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| [04:03:36] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks he should invent a computer that runs on natural gas then... ;-) ** | |
| [04:04:51] | Lexridge: | jeffa: it's called a generator. lol |
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| [04:05:30] | wagnerrp: | sterling or turbine, choose your poison |
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| [04:05:41] | Lexridge: | actually, I have been doing hydrogen experiments in my garage for the last three years. I am trying to make this work.....getting close, but now there yet. |
| [04:05:42] | wagnerrp: | can you run a piston engine on natural gas? |
| [04:06:02] | Lexridge: | now=not |
| [04:06:15] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yea, you can run a car on natural gas. |
| [04:06:28] | Lexridge: | a lot of folks here in WV are doing it right now. |
| [04:06:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge: the Hydrogen thing for cars for better mileage? |
| [04:06:47] | Lexridge: | expecially those that are lucky enough to have "free" gas. |
| [04:07:27] | Lexridge: | jeffa: no, realtime hydrogen high yield production from electrolysis. |
| [04:07:41] | ** J-e-f-f-A cheers — he got the AMV Video converter to accept an mp4 he converted for his iPod... ;-) ** | |
| [04:08:22] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: probably more efficient to crack the hydrogen from natural gas |
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| [04:08:29] | mattwj2002: | hey MythTV question for you guys |
| [04:08:37] | mattwj2002: | with a previous version of Knoppmyth |
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| [04:08:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge: Ah, There was an inventor that got that working a few years ago, right, with VW dune-buggy? I heard that he died, wonder if it's true... |
| [04:09:00] | mattwj2002: | there was an option to encode videos for Divx (or maybe it was Xvid) and for the iPod |
| [04:09:04] | wagnerrp: | got what working? |
| [04:09:09] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: I've looked into that, but there is very little information available on that subject....for probably good reasons. ;) |
| [04:09:16] | wagnerrp: | electrolysis is centuries old |
| [04:09:26] | mattwj2002: | is that standard mythtv setup or an additon package |
| [04:09:27] | mattwj2002: | ? |
| [04:09:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: A car running on 100% hydrogen generated in real-time from just water... |
| [04:09:49] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: natural gas cracking is the primary source of hydrogen, as opposed to electrolysis |
| [04:09:50] | Lexridge: | jeffa: yes, stanley meyer. |
| [04:10:01] | clev: | J-e-f-f-A: where is the energy comming from that splits the water? |
| [04:10:02] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: are you referring to a perpetual motion machine? |
| [04:10:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge: Yeah, that's his name. |
| [04:10:52] | Lexridge: | jeffa: it was stanley's experiment that got me interested in this originally. Today, they have taken this stuff much farther. Look at overunity.com. |
| [04:11:49] | Lexridge: | search for Ironhead's posts on this forum. Impressive stuff. He actually blew some serious damage to himself with a single drop of water. |
| [04:11:52] | wagnerrp: | so... where does the power come from? |
| [04:11:54] | mattwj2002: | why not solar? |
| [04:12:12] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: er, from the hydrogen? |
| [04:12:23] | wagnerrp: | so where does the hydrogen come from? |
| [04:12:42] | clev: | Lexridge: you need energy to split the water appart |
| [04:12:48] | Lexridge: | matt: I like solar, but it only works in geographic areas where the sun is present almost daily...not here. |
| [04:13:06] | mattwj2002: | or wind is another good alternative |
| [04:13:07] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [04:13:10] | clev: | id love to see how this thing works http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/757e/ |
| [04:13:24] | clev: | it just doesnt make sense |
| [04:13:27] | Lexridge: | clev: I am using 12 volt car batteries ATM. |
| [04:13:46] | clev: | Lexridge: so all your doing is moving energy from the batery->water->burning |
| [04:14:05] | clev: | your putting more energy in, then you get out when you burn it |
| [04:14:11] | clev: | you loose some as heat |
| [04:14:23] | wagnerrp: | pretty much, the water, hydrogen, and piston motor is just a replacement for a much more efficient electric motor |
| [04:14:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | clev: An LCD clock needs next to no power... think about it, your digital watch runs on a small battery for a year or two without changing it... (unless you use the backlight alot!) |
| [04:15:02] | clev: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, but how it getting ANY power at all from the water? |
| [04:15:10] | Lexridge: | clev: yes, you are correct. I hope to beat that however. |
| [04:15:27] | clev: | Lexridge: the only thing you may gain, is the energy density |
| [04:15:48] | clev: | you could compress the hydrogen and get more energy/volume or energy/weight then using the batery alone |
| [04:15:48] | mattwj2002: | could it be running like one of those potato clocks? |
| [04:16:02] | clev: | mattwj2002: it claims to run on plain water, so it wouldnt be the acids |
| [04:16:03] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: youre hoping to get more power from combustion of hydrogen, than you lose through electolysis? |
| [04:16:03] | mattwj2002: | you know the ones that run on citric acid? |
| [04:16:22] | Lexridge: | Look at Ironhead's experiments. That is what I am trying to achive. His second experiment uses frequency to break it apart, but I have found no efficient way to do this yet. |
| [04:16:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | clev: I had a water/alcohol injection system on my Chevelle 20 years ago... gave me a humongeous boost in torque & power... and I got 25mpg on the highway with a 350V8 at 70mph... (3000rpm)... |
| [04:16:26] | mattwj2002: | no idea then |
| [04:16:47] | clev: | J-e-f-f-A: was it the alcohol or water giving the boost though:P |
| [04:16:53] | wagnerrp: | water injection is something completely different than running on water |
| [04:17:00] | wagnerrp: | the water just changes the compression |
| [04:17:09] | wagnerrp: | its akin to a turbo charger |
| [04:17:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | clev: The Alcohol helped the burn, the water slowed it down for better torque. |
| [04:17:22] | wagnerrp: | they used to use those for emergency power in fighters and bombers in WW2 |
| [04:17:30] | clev: | ahh |
| [04:17:45] | wagnerrp: | i believe the B52 requires water injection to take off |
| [04:17:45] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: Hydrogen is many times more BTUs than gas. With that in mind, it could be possible to create an infinate (minus wear on parts) reaction. |
| [04:17:46] | clev: | so the water was more harming the power too limit the speed |
| [04:18:03] | wagnerrp: | increases the density, drops turbine inlet temperature, so they can run the engine harder |
| [04:18:28] | wagnerrp: | Lexridge: what the hell are you talking about |
| [04:18:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | clev: Dude, the front wheels would almost lift off the ground, with a stock motor in a 4000lb car... |
| [04:18:54] | clev: | lol |
| [04:19:02] | wagnerrp: | hydrogen is FAR less dense, and far less energy dense, then gasoline. even in cryogenic form. |
| [04:19:20] | clev: | wagnerrp: before or after compression it into a liquid? |
| [04:19:26] | wagnerrp: | theres more energy per pound, but it takes so much volume |
| [04:19:47] | clev: | in a gas, it would take up a great deal more volime |
| [04:19:53] | wagnerrp: | its not worthwhile for use in a low efficiency piston engine |
| [04:20:03] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: I don't want to say the word...PM......because that is impossible. But with hydrogen, the power output is far greater (if you can achive 100% HHO) than the input required to produce it. |
| [04:20:06] | clev: | yeah you would get more out of a fuel cell |
| [04:20:11] | mattwj2002: | well I am off to bed |
| [04:20:14] | mattwj2002: | good night all |
| [04:20:24] | wagnerrp: | but that is perpetual motion |
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| [04:20:44] | wagnerrp: | you are going from water, to elemental hydrogen and oxygen, and back to water |
| [04:20:56] | Lexridge: | clev: fuel cells (assuming hydrogen type) take 6 dumptruck loads of coal to produce. Not very efficient. |
| [04:20:57] | wagnerrp: | energy will be lost during both conversions as heat |
| [04:21:05] | wagnerrp: | energy will be lost due to mechanical inefficiency |
| [04:21:30] | Lexridge: | cya matt |
| [04:21:30] | wagnerrp: | and youre back at the same place you started, but having used an external energy source (batteries) to get there |
| [04:21:36] | clev: | Lexridge: does it actualy need coal or just the energy from burning the coal? |
| [04:21:48] | wagnerrp: | you may as well just use the batteries to power a electric motor, and come out far better for it |
| [04:21:53] | Lexridge: | clev: the energy from the burning of coal |
| [04:22:09] | clev: | Lexridge: so why not use wind or another allready made fuel cell, problem solved! |
| [04:22:13] | clev: | :P |
| [04:22:43] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yes, according to standard physics models, but this is more thinking "outside the box". |
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| [04:23:42] | wagnerrp: | if 'outside the box' is reached by throwing out the last 400 years of scientific advancement |
| [04:24:14] | wagnerrp: | the only way water can be used as a fuel is if you extract deuterium from it, and run a fusion reactor |
| [04:24:19] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, its a low energy state |
| [04:24:44] | wagnerrp: | you cannot get energy from a closed cycle |
| [04:25:02] | Lexridge: | h3o, or heavy water, is not even in question here. |
| [04:25:42] | wagnerrp: | you are correct, heavy water is used for refining uranium |
| [04:25:55] | wagnerrp: | deuterium is plain old h2o |
| [04:26:10] | wagnerrp: | well, its just h2 |
| [04:26:23] | wagnerrp: | one extra neutron per hydrogen |
| [04:26:55] | Lexridge: | I am saying seperate the oxygen and hydrogen into HHO. This is because a modern combusion engine cannot run pure hydrogen without fatigue. The HHO gives the hydrogen a BTU that more like gasoline. |
| [04:27:32] | wagnerrp: | btu per volume? btu per mass? btu per what? |
| [04:27:36] | Lexridge: | plus, it requires no outside source of oxygen to burn....it's already attached to the hydrogen atom. |
| [04:28:00] | wagnerrp: | HHO is not attached to anything |
| [04:28:14] | wagnerrp: | its elemental forms of hydrogen and water |
| [04:28:15] | Lexridge: | btu is not the actual term I want.....I'm having trouble remember the terminology. damn bud light! |
| [04:28:15] | wagnerrp: | no bonds |
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| [04:28:37] | wagnerrp: | elemental oxygen will very rapidly destroy your engine |
| [04:28:45] | wagnerrp: | very nasty shit |
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| [04:29:40] | Lexridge: | as will elemental hydrogen....and your exhaust system, and well...everything. |
| [04:29:59] | wagnerrp: | elemental hydrogen isnt so much of a problem |
| [04:30:39] | clev: | but if you where to burn a perfect mixture of 2 parts H and 1 part O |
| [04:30:46] | clev: | it would recombine into water |
| [04:30:57] | clev: | which is exactly what you started with |
| [04:31:06] | wagnerrp: | but regardless, its not do to any thermal capacity, but rather because it will chemically react with the metals in your engine |
| [04:31:09] | clev: | and so it would run forever on the same tank, and be imposible |
| [04:31:18] | Lexridge: | that is the ultimate goal, of course. |
| [04:31:26] | clev: | and so it would run forever on the same tank, and be imposible |
| [04:31:27] | wagnerrp: | that is an impossible goal |
| [04:31:49] | wagnerrp: | it flies in the face of the most basic laws of thermodynamics |
| [04:31:57] | wagnerrp: | the universe leads to entropy |
| [04:32:23] | clev: | you would expend more energy breaking it appart, then you would gain from burning it |
| [04:32:25] | wagnerrp: | producing such a machine would be able to reduce the entropy in the universe |
| [04:32:41] | Lexridge: | I know the laws of physics very well. I also think all laws are meant to be broken. Einstein even is filmed talking about an "ether" |
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| [04:33:15] | Lexridge: | does it exist? probably not, but it's certainly exciting to think it might. |
| [04:33:32] | ** J-e-f-f-A but justinh's Mythtv promo just converted fine... ;-) ** | |
| [04:33:34] | iamlindoro: | Jesus fuck, it's crackpot night in #whothefuckknows-users |
| [04:33:34] | wagnerrp: | energy has to come from somewhere |
| [04:34:03] | Lexridge: | yea, most stars emit enery in teratones. |
| [04:34:06] | Lexridge: | yea, most stars emit enery in teratons |
| [04:34:53] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive ever heard of energy output in the units of mass |
| [04:35:23] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could use it, but its rather unconventional |
| [04:35:32] | iamlindoro: | Don't be silly, I get my power bill in wattkilograms per furlong |
| [04:35:58] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: probably, with current knowledge. In one hundred years, who knows. |
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| [04:37:18] | Lexridge: | I really think Tesla was onto something. |
| [04:38:00] | Lexridge: | why else would all his notes be held in secret within the US Govnt? |
| [04:39:08] | wagnerrp: | if he were on to something like extracting energy from nothing, and there were notes, someone would have done something about it in the last 100 years |
| [04:39:39] | wagnerrp: | the US by now would have said 'fuck you all', and become self sufficient |
| [04:40:07] | wagnerrp: | theres no purpose to keep something like that secret |
| [04:40:07] | clev: | i could see that happening:P |
| [04:40:33] | Lexridge: | I don't think he was "extracting power from nothing". He was tapping into something....and no, if the US can make money from utility lobbiest, that will not go away and free energy would be denied. |
| [04:41:07] | iamlindoro: | Jesus fucking tinfoil hat |
| [04:41:21] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [04:41:22] | wagnerrp: | if the utility lobbiests found out there was some method for them to acquire cheap power, they damn well would use it |
| [04:41:33] | wagnerrp: | abundant energy means profit for them |
| [04:41:39] | jblack: | Yup. They'd just make their money on distribution charges. |
| [04:42:16] | Lexridge: | wait, how can the power companies make money from something that free from the air. They essentually would put them out of business. |
| [04:42:19] | Lexridge: | Does anyone remember the home Nuclear Power Units that GE introduced in 1995? |
| [04:42:53] | jblack: | Gee. If only we had some sort of proof that there are people that get off-grid electricity at no daily cost. Something that harvested some powerful source.. Hiding in plain daylight. |
| [04:42:53] | Lexridge: | refridgrater size, for $10k. Lasted 25 years on a single small rock. |
| [04:42:59] | iamlindoro: | I park my delorean next to one of those |
| [04:43:06] | iamlindoro: | But my Mr. Fusion has replaced it |
| [04:43:08] | wagnerrp: | back in '95, when clinton was pandering to all the environmentalists who hated evil nuclear power? |
| [04:43:35] | Lexridge: | Exactly. that is why it died.... |
| [04:43:53] | jblack: | Some sort of... solarized power. |
| [04:43:53] | Lexridge: | far safer than huge plants, but it died becasue of hollywood. |
| [04:44:13] | wagnerrp: | energy lobbiests disguised as environmentalists more likely |
| [04:44:20] | jblack: | Ideally, you could put the harvesting units somewhere out of the way... perhaps on the roof of the house. |
| [04:44:40] | Lexridge: | I actually have the PDFs from the GE site, this was a great thing. It disappeared within the week. Literally! |
| [04:45:18] | Lexridge: | This is how our government is looking out for us. NOT! |
| [04:45:24] | wagnerrp: | solar power, from germanium cells, that takes 5+ years to recover the production costs of the panel, under optimal conditions |
| [04:45:31] | jblack: | lexridge: Before assuming conspiracy, there's other things to consider. Like, probably 20,000 people saying "I can't wait to take that apart!" |
| [04:45:55] | wagnerrp: | nevermind the fact that there is tons of development on cheap solar cells that would cut that recovery to months, and make them worthwhile |
| [04:46:02] | jblack: | wagnerrp: True. Recovery costs is years. |
| [04:46:09] | Lexridge: | jblack: Good point, and the emergency rooms would be full too. |
| [04:46:31] | jblack: | The point was for lexridge, that if they were trying to force everyone to be hooked, they would kill solar. |
| [04:46:34] | wagnerrp: | lexridge: the problem with nuclear is that the general public doesnt want them around |
| [04:46:55] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: I have read about much improved solar cells, but they are still a long way out as far as "getting off the grid" |
| [04:47:17] | wagnerrp: | they were going to build one about 30 miles from my house, but the public voted that they didnt want it near them, and the half completed plant got converted to coal |
| [04:47:21] | jblack: | Yeah. The public is terrified of radiation. NASA had a problem with launching a satellite a few years ago because it was nuclear powered. Despite having been launching satellites like that for decades. |
| [04:47:54] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: It's just mis-education. I small home unit going critical would be very minor. A huge plant going critical is a whole different thing. |
| [04:48:28] | wagnerrp: | one small home unit going critical would be ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY BAD |
| [04:48:29] | Lexridge: | jblack: you are right. It's mainly misconception IMO. |
| [04:48:45] | wagnerrp: | the big mains plants have the size to house proper containment mechanisms |
| [04:49:35] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: not according to hte GE specs. I don't recall the actual radiation output, but it was something like a ten foot diameter radiation zone. |
| [04:49:57] | Lexridge: | when in critical state...that is |
| [04:50:06] | wagnerrp: | radiation doesnt just magically stop |
| [04:50:17] | wagnerrp: | you have to encase it in a large quantity of lead |
| [04:50:28] | wagnerrp: | or a far greater quantity of concrete |
| [04:50:33] | Lexridge: | This thing actually gained approval from the FTA. It was due to go on sale the next week....all the sudden, it was gone. |
| [04:50:51] | jblack: | lexridge: Call GE public relations, and ask them what happened. |
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| [04:51:13] | Lexridge: | yea, that would get results. :) |
| [04:52:02] | jblack: | more results than yammering on irc about black helicopters and a hidden world government. |
| [04:52:24] | jblack: | Seriously. Research the issue, talk to everyone you can find, and write a paper for harpers. |
| [04:52:56] | wagnerrp: | your GE mini-nuke went the way of the GE nuclear turbine engine |
| [04:53:01] | wagnerrp: | it was a bad idea |
| [04:53:11] | Lexridge: | Look people, I have been in the broadcast news business for 26 years, I know how little political nudging it takes to change the way a story sounds on the air. It's not rocket science. |
| [04:53:32] | jblack: | Yeah. I bet there was a "oh shit. we overlooked an embarrasingly obvious critical flaw" |
| [04:53:40] | Lexridge: | It's very easy to kill something via the press before it even gets off the gound. |
| [04:53:51] | jblack: | Maybe someone asked them 'by the way, what are you guys going to do with all this nuclear waste?' |
| [04:54:14] | Lexridge: | jblack: maybe so. That is a serious problem. |
| [04:54:22] | jblack: | Dude. This is 2008, not 1908. There's plenty of outlets for solid research. |
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| [04:54:37] | wagnerrp: | its not that serious of a problem |
| [04:54:52] | wagnerrp: | if the public wasnt so paranoid about it, we would just orbit the shit and be done with it |
| [04:55:09] | Lexridge: | lol, I'm all for it! |
| [04:55:14] | jblack: | nah. costs to omuch to send it to space. We sould send it to detroit instead. |
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| [04:55:43] | wagnerrp: | it costs far less than developing a storage facility designed to last for 10000 years |
| [04:55:59] | jblack: | I doubt it. |
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| [04:56:13] | Lexridge: | No, I agree. I would be cheaper to send to space. |
| [04:56:21] | jblack: | Besides. nobody _goes_ to detroit. wrap it in garbage bags, and consider it detained! |
| [04:56:38] | Lexridge: | expecially now that we have private space fairing companies. |
| [04:57:04] | jblack: | Do you guys not understand how much a low orbit launch costs? And you need to go much further than that to send it to... oh, the sun. |
| [04:57:11] | Lexridge: | not even to mention Michigan's football team sucks....lol |
| [04:57:27] | ** wagnerrp actually is a rocket scientist ** | |
| [04:57:59] | Lexridge: | jblack: private companies will decline this cost considerably. Have you not read slashdot recently/ |
| [04:58:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A was a rocket scientist in the Boy Scouts – 30 years ago – does that count? ;-) ** | |
| [04:58:28] | jblack: | It's pretty hard to get past basic physics. |
| [04:58:41] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: you are literally a rocket scientist? |
| [04:59:00] | wagnerrp: | trained aerospace engineer |
| [04:59:16] | wagnerrp: | its not like we have to be careful with the stuff |
| [04:59:29] | Lexridge: | cool!!! I would love to throw some formulas at you sometime and see if you agree/disagree. |
| [04:59:38] | wagnerrp: | fire it out a light gas gun |
| [04:59:48] | wagnerrp: | give it a small second stage |
| [04:59:52] | jblack: | are you guys really suggesting we make a process of spending $10k a pound to launch metals (which we're already having trouble getting enough of), into space? |
| [05:00:14] | wagnerrp: | the price is only $10k because we want to get it up there in once piece |
| [05:00:24] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:00:24] | jblack: | So, you want to make depleted uranium bullets. |
| [05:00:34] | wagnerrp: | not exactly, but close |
| [05:01:31] | Lexridge: | jblack: humm, that is an interesting subject. I was talking to a army reserve gentleman a few weeks ago, and he told me the depleted uranium used in iraq............ |
| [05:01:36] | jblack: | Which don't shatter when accelerated up to... Oh, what's the 25000mph / the speed of sound. |
| [05:01:46] | Lexridge: | is showing up on geiger counters here in WV....HOLY SHIT!! |
| [05:02:04] | wagnerrp: | seal the pellets in some nominal lead enclosure, attach a solid second stage, attach a blast shield, and fire it out a light gas cannon, or vacuum rail gun |
| [05:02:15] | jblack: | lexridge: I'm very doubtful of that. depleted uranium is a heavy metal. |
| [05:02:48] | Lexridge: | jblack: I know that, but he seemed pretty convinced. |
| [05:02:55] | jblack: | I find it believeable that there's something above background radiation somewhre in kentucky, but I doubt it's that. |
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| [05:03:38] | jblack: | hell. maybe they casts the depleted uranium shells in kentucky. |
| [05:04:24] | Lexridge: | Obviously depleted uranium does make it into the atmosphere, but I don't know the ppm. |
| [05:05:18] | jblack: | Not likely. Depleted Uranium has an atomic weight of 92, while nitrogen has an atomic weight of 14. |
| [05:05:40] | wagnerrp: | actually, it has a weight of 238 |
| [05:06:03] | jblack: | Oh crap. I took the atomic number. You're right. |
| [05:06:14] | Lexridge: | I used to have a better grasp on this shit, until I started an HDTV upgrade for 3 tv stations. Everything else is now a blur. |
| [05:06:27] | wagnerrp: | paducah kentucky is apparently a large storage repository of depleted uranium |
| [05:06:40] | wagnerrp: | so there you go |
| [05:06:59] | Lexridge: | I'm glad I don't live there.....however, WV is downwind...YIKES! |
| [05:07:38] | jblack: | SIgh. |
| [05:08:15] | wagnerrp: | the halflife on that is so long, there is relatively little radiation risk |
| [05:08:26] | Lexridge: | what is the halflife? |
| [05:08:27] | wagnerrp: | youre at more of a hazard from heavy metal poisoning |
| [05:08:41] | wagnerrp: | 4.5B years |
| [05:09:05] | Lexridge: | oh, not bad.....just half the age of the universe...DOH! |
| [05:09:25] | wagnerrp: | closer to a third |
| [05:09:41] | jblack: | You're right on the half life (I checked), but I don't believe that uranium is safe. |
| [05:09:46] | Lexridge: | okay, but that really has been a moving target for many years. |
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| [05:09:57] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
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| [05:10:21] | wagnerrp: | jblack: DU rounds are about as much risk as your glow-in-the-dark wristwatch |
| [05:10:26] | Lexridge: | longer than any of us will ever see. |
| [05:11:00] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: so all the stories about DU being the cause of gulf war syndrome are BS? |
| [05:11:08] | jblack: | You should ask Madame Curie about what she thinks about the safety of radium. |
| [05:11:22] | Lexridge: | who is madame curie? |
| [05:11:38] | wagnerrp: | some dead chick |
| [05:11:49] | Lexridge: | oh |
| [05:11:58] | jblack: | She identifified radioactivity. Played with radium, uranium, etc etc. Died of cancer. |
| [05:12:08] | wagnerrp: | did some very early work with radioactive materials |
| [05:12:13] | wagnerrp: | cancer from radium exposure |
| [05:12:21] | Lexridge: | perhaps she would have died from cancer anyway? |
| [05:12:26] | wagnerrp: | before they really knew the effects of radiation |
| [05:12:35] | wagnerrp: | anyway, radium has a halflife on the order of days |
| [05:12:43] | wagnerrp: | fairly radioactive |
| [05:12:49] | Lexridge: | maybe her home was full of raydon. |
| [05:13:02] | jblack: | Actually, Curie used uranium, I believe. |
| [05:13:17] | jblack: | She used pitch blend, which contained uranium: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Curie |
| [05:13:41] | Lexridge: | have you seen the reports that raydon is being emitted from granite countertops? |
| [05:13:50] | jblack: | lexridge: That is true. |
| [05:14:37] | jblack: | Lexridge: You can also find it in many basements. |
| [05:15:01] | wagnerrp: | sealed basements become a trap for heavy radon gas |
| [05:15:18] | Lexridge: | yea, bigtime! |
| [05:15:28] | wagnerrp: | granite also contains about 20ppm uranium |
| [05:15:37] | Lexridge: | ..and thanks for spelling it correctly. :) |
| [05:16:11] | Lexridge: | I could not remember how radon was spelled....lol |
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| [05:18:22] | Lexridge: | I bought two carbon monoxide detectors about 2 years ago. My furnace malfunctioned this past winter. Even though I could smell something was not right, my detectors never went off. How did that ever get thought the FTC? |
| [05:18:49] | jblack: | Where did you put them? Up high, or down low? |
| [05:19:17] | Lexridge: | They were about 1 foot, plugged into standard height outlets. |
| [05:19:37] | fryfrog: | Lexridge: carbon monoxide is a colorless, odorless gas |
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| [05:19:50] | fryfrog: | if you *smelled* something, you were smelling the fuel, not the byproduct of combustion. |
| [05:20:02] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean you dont smell the rotton egg smell |
| [05:20:07] | fryfrog: | propane/natural gas are "flavoured" with the rotton egg odor to let you know |
| [05:20:07] | jblack: | Well, carbon monoxide is denser than air. That probably stayed down at floor level for the furnace, you probably smelled particulates, which can be caught in the airflow. |
| [05:20:11] | Lexridge: | fryfrog: yea, but I could still smell "fumes" of some type. My wife could smell it too. |
| [05:20:27] | fryfrog: | if you smelled something, it wasn't CO |
| [05:20:50] | fryfrog: | it was probably a natural gas or propane leak, which smells like rottoen eggs for just that reason |
| [05:21:01] | Lexridge: | fryfrog: yea, it was probably the paint burning off from the side of the under house furnace. |
| [05:21:05] | wagnerrp: | its otherwise odorless as well |
| [05:21:16] | fryfrog: | yupr |
| [05:21:44] | jblack: | lexridge: You're scared of a lot of things you don't understand. If I were you, I'd take the time to learn about them. |
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| [05:22:05] | Lexridge: | I went under the house, and fired it up, and flames shot out of the heat exchanger like mad. It actually scared me, and the furnace was shut off until a replacemnet could arrive. |
| [05:22:51] | Lexridge: | regardless, If I'd not discovered that, my house would have eventually burned down. |
| [05:23:17] | clev: | damn racoon! |
| [05:23:19] | wagnerrp: | more likely it would have exploded |
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| [05:23:27] | Lexridge: | really? |
| [05:23:31] | clev: | make shure it cant find your hacksaw next time |
| [05:24:35] | Lexridge: | god, don't even joke about rodents.....I have had.....get this.......3 ground hogs lived under my house, and 5 possums under my workbench in my garage, which is where I am presenty located. All trapped, and gone...finally |
| [05:25:04] | clev: | i think theres something in my bedroom wall |
| [05:25:10] | clev: | i keep hearing scratching sounds |
| [05:25:23] | Lexridge: | I have fought with these problems all damn summer. I cleaned out all the shit and piss from under the workbench last night. It was disgusting! |
| [05:25:44] | Lexridge: | I puked twice during the cleanup |
| [05:25:50] | clev: | there is some smell in the house but i dont even notice it |
| [05:26:06] | clev: | dad thinks its probly the patch of mold we found under the stairs |
| [05:26:11] | Lexridge: | clev: humans have a tendency to get used to smells. |
| [05:26:26] | clev: | yeah, dad walks by me some days and holds his breath |
| [05:26:30] | wagnerrp: | everything has a tendency to get used to smells |
| [05:26:32] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:26:52] | wagnerrp: | your membranes get saturated, and then you physically can no longer detect it |
| [05:27:30] | wagnerrp: | other animals just have a much larger membrane that has to saturate |
| [05:27:51] | Lexridge: | one of the possums showed his head last friday night, when my stepson was here. Well, he just reacted, grabbed a wood poker, and slammed it on the head. It was pretty nasty actually. It shit everywhere. what a mess. I like traps better. |
| [05:28:16] | clev: | lol |
| [05:28:25] | clev: | my grandma has flatted mice with a broom |
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| [05:28:34] | clev: | i hear it gets pretty messy:P |
| [05:28:38] | clev: | damn lazy ass cat |
| [05:28:53] | wagnerrp: | my dad shot a mouse with .22 birdshot |
| [05:28:57] | wagnerrp: | didnt even penetrate |
| [05:29:10] | clev: | my dad used to hunt small birds with a shotgun |
| [05:29:14] | wagnerrp: | the thing got knocked about 5' across the basement floor, and then continued running |
| [05:29:16] | Lexridge: | and I have stomped field mice with my foot. However, my cat does not like mice, but she catches rabbits the same size as she is....eats the heads off of them. |
| [05:29:20] | clev: | all that was left was a branch stump |
| [05:30:11] | Lexridge: | I never knew rabbits made sounds until the cat started catching them. |
| [05:30:11] | clev: | Lexridge: my grandma's cat also eats cords |
| [05:30:17] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [05:30:19] | clev: | it chewed thru a LPT cable once on a printer |
| [05:30:40] | Lexridge: | I had a cat years ago that kept eating though my speaker wires. |
| [05:30:54] | clev: | ive heard about how rabits scream when they get caught in a trap |
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| [05:31:02] | wagnerrp: | thats not bad, at GE, squirrels eat through the rubber insulation inside engines they have sitting in storage |
| [05:31:12] | Lexridge: | wow! |
| [05:31:32] | wagnerrp: | nothing worse than having to tear down a several $M engine to repair animal damage |
| [05:31:50] | Lexridge: | yea, that would be bad |
| [05:32:26] | Lexridge: | has anyone seen IronMan yet? Great movie!!! |
| [05:32:36] | wagnerrp: | saw it a couple weeks ago |
| [05:32:58] | clev: | i downloaded it a few weeks ago |
| [05:33:07] | Lexridge: | I got the DVD on tuesday, and have watched it three times now...\ |
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| [05:33:11] | wagnerrp: | *gasp* |
| [05:33:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Lexridge I saw it in the theatre for free when my son worked there... |
| [05:33:24] | clev: | the quality was crap:P |
| [05:33:27] | clev: | need to rent it next |
| [05:33:44] | wagnerrp: | you need to be more particular... no more shitty cams |
| [05:34:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... just opened up my Micro Center bag from this afternoon, I forgot that I bought the "I void warranties" shirt... ;-) |
| [05:34:46] | clev: | it wasnt a camrip |
| [05:34:54] | clev: | ive only had 1 camrip and it was obvious |
| [05:35:54] | Lexridge: | camrips suck. I tried once, one of the Matrix movies. Bad experience. |
| [05:36:30] | wagnerrp: | you can do pretty well with a camrip |
| [05:37:04] | wagnerrp: | tripod mount in the back of the theater, telesync off the assisted listening jacks |
| [05:37:05] | Lexridge: | jeffa: I used to live next to a drive-in. I could see the screen from my front porch. It was great! |
| [05:37:05] | clev: | the one i had was low volume, poor focus, and i saw 2 or 3 people walk by at the start |
| [05:37:24] | wagnerrp: | but most people dont take the time (or the risk) to do that |
| [05:37:35] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: i've seen good and bad. It certainly varies. |
| [05:37:50] | clev: | wagnerrp: i dont think ive ever seen an assisted listening jack:P |
| [05:38:05] | wagnerrp: | its the seats at the back of the theater |
| [05:38:11] | wagnerrp: | they have a headphone jack |
| [05:38:15] | clev: | ahh |
| [05:38:28] | wagnerrp: | and they also have a reflective panel that lets you see a teleprompter at the back of the theater |
| [05:38:57] | wagnerrp: | turn around, you can see text displayed backwards on a LED panel |
| [05:39:38] | Lexridge: | wow, I've never noticed that. Interesting. |
| [05:39:50] | clev: | havent seen anything liek that |
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| [05:40:08] | clev: | bbl, need food |
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| [05:40:19] | Lexridge: | cya clev |
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| [05:41:30] | Lexridge: | wow, cinn beat marshall. I guess the Big East is better than I thought this year...althought that is not saying a lot. |
| [05:42:14] | wagnerrp: | cincinnati beat someone? we actually have a decent football team? |
| [05:42:22] | Lexridge: | West Virginia has been a huge disappointment. Ugh! |
| [05:43:02] | Lexridge: | next to computers and electronics, college football is my huge hobby. |
| [05:43:35] | Lexridge: | cinn is actually 4–2 now. Not bad actually. |
| [05:43:56] | Lexridge: | I think they are 2nd place in the big east, followed by pitt. |
| [05:44:07] | wagnerrp: | i had assumed us moving to the big east would result in us getting horribly raped |
| [05:44:21] | Lexridge: | so you are from cinninnati? |
| [05:44:27] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [05:44:58] | Lexridge: | great. I'll look forward to the mountaineers beating up on you guys. ;) |
| [05:45:57] | Lexridge: | well, maybe not, the mountaineers look bad this year, even with Pat White still at the helm. |
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| [05:47:27] | wagnerrp: | ugh... mouse ran out of battery |
| [05:47:43] | Lexridge: | I hate when that happens....a lot here. |
| [05:47:43] | wagnerrp: | i had been meaning to plug it in all day, but every time i got up, i forgot |
| [05:48:01] | Lexridge: | mine's not rechargeable. :( |
| [05:48:18] | wagnerrp: | well thats good, you can just swap batteries |
| [05:48:28] | wagnerrp: | mine has a non-replaceable internal li-ion |
| [05:48:28] | Lexridge: | but I have a great battery supplier. :) |
| [05:48:42] | wagnerrp: | if i run out of battery, im just SOL for a couple hours |
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| [05:49:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A used to use 'generic' wireless mice, but since he bought a Logica wireless set, the batteries seem to last forever.... (well, months instead of just a couple of weeks...) ** | |
| [05:50:00] | wagnerrp: | LED or laser? |
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| [05:50:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | LED... |
| [05:51:06] | wagnerrp: | ok, i believe the laser ones use far less power |
| [05:51:11] | Lexridge: | I can get with my supplier 24 AA or AAA for 20 cents per. and 9 volts (for my guitar pedals) for 80 cents per unit....all either duracell or energizer....and you can too. Eclipse Lighting. |
| [05:51:42] | Lexridge: | you have to buy at least 20 per unit however. |
| [05:52:34] | Lexridge: | but they have a 10 year shelf life. |
| [05:52:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | I usually buy the 16-packs from CVS or Walgreens... but most recently bought a 40-pack for $19 at rat-shack.... not as good of a deal as you Lexridge, but not too bad... |
| [05:53:48] | Lexridge: | no, not bad...but call eclipse, and ask for katherine. Tell them Jim Hines told you about them. You should get a deal. |
| [05:56:40] | Lexridge: | holy crap, it's damn near 2am....Gotta get to bed. g'nite folks. |
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| [06:17:39] | clev: | i need to get nbd based swap working |
| [06:17:50] | clev: | Xorg crashed tonight from swaping into a bad sector |
| [06:18:08] | wagnerrp: | nbd? |
| [06:18:19] | clev: | network block device |
| [06:18:41] | clev: | ive used it before to get a LVM PV to show up remotely to assemble an array between systems |
| [06:18:50] | clev: | but i havent had it working as swap |
| [06:19:07] | wagnerrp: | cant just... buy more memory if you need it? |
| [06:19:18] | clev: | i think the laptop is allready maxed out |
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| [06:20:13] | clev: | wagnerrp: actualy, acording to lshw, the 2nd bank is empty |
| [06:20:19] | clev: | so i could get another 256 |
| [06:20:25] | clev: | size: 256MiB |
| [06:20:26] | clev: | capacity: 512MiB |
| [06:21:11] | clev: | but i would probly have trouble finding such ram |
| [06:21:21] | clev: | and im using 204mb of swap... |
| [06:21:29] | clev: | a 256 module would bearly hold |
| [06:21:56] | wagnerrp: | yeah, sdram so-dimms are probably pretty rare anymore |
| [06:22:10] | clev: | i need some even more rare memory:P |
| [06:22:15] | clev: | ram for a 486! |
| [06:22:22] | clev: | it doesnt have enough for duke nukem |
| [06:22:25] | Anduin: | No, you've misdiagnosed the problem. |
| [06:22:28] | wagnerrp: | you dont need ram for a 486 |
| [06:22:34] | wagnerrp: | that machine should never need be run |
| [06:22:36] | clev: | thats a seperate problem |
| [06:22:48] | clev: | its the perfect machine for that game:P |
| [06:23:13] | wagnerrp: | my desktop and dosbox are a more perfect machine for that game |
| [06:23:26] | clev: | ive compiled a native linux binary of duke nukem |
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| [06:23:41] | clev: | the sound is skiping badly and the video is chopy |
| [06:23:44] | wagnerrp: | the DN source is available? |
| [06:23:48] | clev: | yes it is |
| [06:24:03] | clev: | and its been partialy ported to linux and uses SDL |
| [06:24:09] | wagnerrp: | i guess thats not all that surprising |
| [06:24:19] | clev: | but the map files arent free |
| [06:24:28] | ** cesman will wait for DNF ;) ** | |
| [06:24:28] | clev: | and the installer doesnt come with the source |
| [06:24:42] | clev: | so you need to install it under some dos like system, then replace the .exe |
| [06:24:55] | wagnerrp: | a lot of those old games seem to be OSS anymore |
| [06:24:59] | clev: | it also needs a valid config, so you need to run the old dos installer 1st |
| [06:25:11] | clev: | setup i mean |
| [06:25:16] | wagnerrp: | most of iD and Bungie's old stock have been |
| [06:25:43] | wagnerrp: | although ID never released their map packs |
| [06:26:28] | clev: | just use the t word that must never be mentioned here:P |
| [06:27:06] | wagnerrp: | the t word? |
| [06:27:11] | clev: | torrent :P |
| [06:27:27] | Anduin: | but feel free to talk about watching your cam made movies |
| [06:27:30] | wagnerrp: | oh... you dont even have to go to torrents to find those |
| [06:27:39] | wagnerrp: | any number of websites have them for download |
| [06:27:43] | wagnerrp: | ID doesnt care to go after them |
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| [06:28:14] | clev: | torrent could still go faster |
| [06:28:24] | wagnerrp: | like hell they can |
| [06:28:26] | wagnerrp: | its a couple megs |
| [06:28:29] | clev: | lol |
| [06:28:51] | wagnerrp: | the torrent will still be looking for seeders by the time the webside has finished transferring |
| [06:28:56] | clev: | yeah, any crap host can serve that size of a file in short order |
| [06:29:16] | wagnerrp: | I can host a file that size in short order |
| [06:29:36] | clev: | i do have a 2.8mb torrent though:P |
| [06:29:55] | clev: | ive got a whole page of them going that are under 7mb each |
| [06:30:12] | clev: | 3 of those are videos! |
| [06:30:35] | wagnerrp: | damn joystick |
| [06:30:48] | wagnerrp: | i have to reinstall the drivers every time i want to plug them into a new USB port |
| [06:30:52] | clev: | i cant get the old gameport based joystick to work under linux |
| [06:31:05] | clev: | and thats not a joystick problem, thats a windows problem |
| [06:31:05] | wagnerrp: | otherwise the remapping software doesnt properly recognize it |
| [06:31:13] | clev: | it does the same thing for scanners and everything else |
| [06:31:18] | wagnerrp: | windows picks it up just fine |
| [06:31:25] | clev: | but windows thinks its a different device |
| [06:31:28] | wagnerrp: | its the saitek profiler |
| [06:31:32] | clev: | since its at a different port |
| [06:31:42] | clev: | and so it reinstalls it under a different id |
| [06:31:42] | wagnerrp: | its not programmed to just use any instance of the joystick |
| [06:31:57] | clev: | its programed to use the id it was last set to use |
| [06:32:05] | clev: | and windows keeps changing that so each port goes to a diff id |
| [06:32:35] | wagnerrp: | well i broke off my front panel ports, so i have no valid ports to use it with anymore |
| [06:32:36] | clev: | just lable the damn ports or push the game company to port it to linux:P |
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| [06:32:56] | wagnerrp: | actually, the game has a legitimate linux port |
| [06:33:03] | clev: | then just play that! |
| [06:33:05] | wagnerrp: | dont know about the joystick though |
| [06:33:14] | wagnerrp: | except... my desktop runs windows |
| [06:33:31] | clev: | ive gotten my joystick to work in mplayer and mythtv with no trouble at all |
| [06:33:38] | clev: | ive even made it emulate a mouse before |
| [06:33:48] | clev: | (on both windows and linux) |
| [06:33:49] | wagnerrp: | my joystick has a mouse built in |
| [06:33:55] | clev: | lol |
| [06:34:19] | wagnerrp: | mouse, with left click, and scroll wheel |
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| [06:34:23] | clev: | nice |
| [06:35:17] | clev: | something ive thought of before, hook the usb gamepad i have into the pc and make a program |
| [06:35:26] | clev: | which will both control mplayer and control aircrack-ng |
| [06:35:34] | clev: | along with text2speech for output |
| [06:35:39] | clev: | then stuff it in a bookbag :P |
| [06:36:29] | wagnerrp: | so... you would look like a dousche with a pair of headphones and a gamepad walking down the street? |
| [06:36:48] | clev: | lol |
| [06:36:56] | clev: | while hacking every house in town:P |
| [06:37:06] | clev: | you might be laughting at me |
| [06:37:14] | clev: | but your computer might also be self formating! |
| [06:37:33] | wagnerrp: | except once you get into the network, you still have to break into the computer |
| [06:37:49] | clev: | which would be tricky without a display&keyboard |
| [06:37:53] | wagnerrp: | and thats assuming they are running WEP and actively using it |
| [06:38:04] | clev: | most of the networks dont even have wep |
| [06:38:14] | wagnerrp: | aircrack cant do shit with the basic keep-alive packets |
| [06:38:23] | wagnerrp: | its needs volumes of data |
| [06:38:26] | clev: | arp packets are good though |
| [06:38:42] | clev: | if you get an arp request(even encrypted) you can repeat the raw packet |
| [06:38:46] | clev: | and get a reply |
| [06:38:58] | clev: | repeat until you max out the air waves |
| [06:39:31] | clev: | but that needs atleast 1 system to actualy be active |
| [06:39:36] | clev: | even a little |
| [06:40:20] | clev: | it would be more fun to mass rename every single network to 'Secure Me' :P |
| [06:40:25] | clev: | (and less harmfull) |
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| [06:42:39] | bechemel: | Hi |
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| [07:04:19] | bechemel: | anyone know how to broadcast ATSC? |
| [07:04:40] | bechemel: | I'm looking at a few pci cards that I 'think' do this..but just wondering if anyone has done this before? |
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| [07:09:41] | wagnerrp: | you want to BROADCAST ATSC? for distribution throughout your house? |
| [07:11:17] | bechemel: | yes |
| [07:11:38] | wagnerrp: | i doubt youll find a solution for that for under a few grand |
| [07:11:45] | bechemel: | :-( |
| [07:13:36] | bechemel: | what about his though? http://cgi.ebay.com/Sencore-HDTV998-PCI-Card- . . . p3286.c0.m14 http://www.sencore.com/products/pci-rf-adapters/126 of course the question is.. will it work in linux and software to s upport it |
| [07:15:14] | bechemel: | a 12db output.. and i have single port amps that push add15db, I'm not sure how far 27db will go, unless i daisy chain more amps |
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| [07:15:33] | bechemel: | then i assume noise will come into play |
| [07:16:02] | wagnerrp: | wow! didnt know anyone was making these |
| [07:16:26] | wagnerrp: | you DO NOT want to daisy chain amps |
| [07:16:26] | bechemel: | oh wow! so thats a good thing? |
| [07:16:31] | clev: | wagnerrp: have you seen the old ntsc broadcast things for wireless cable on 1 channel? |
| [07:16:43] | clev: | just feed in composite vid and aud |
| [07:16:56] | wagnerrp: | clev: i have a set, got it for free, POS |
| [07:17:12] | clev: | wagnerrp: it might be better to just find one of those for digital |
| [07:17:14] | bechemel: | wagnerrp, .. even on lossless signal? .. |
| [07:17:24] | wagnerrp: | you crank up the power on one of those lines, and youll kill the tuner on the other end |
| [07:17:35] | bechemel: | oh yea yea true |
| [07:17:44] | wagnerrp: | at least that was the case for analog, i assume digital is the same |
| [07:17:45] | clev: | which just takes a DVI like input and beams it to another system |
| [07:17:48] | bechemel: | i used to use a sencore signal meter back in the day |
| [07:17:54] | bechemel: | back in my cable guy days |
| [07:18:46] | wagnerrp: | clev: they make DVI to cat5 baluns, for long distance transmission |
| [07:18:56] | clev: | wagnerrp: ah, but that isnt wireless |
| [07:19:11] | wagnerrp: | i believe i remember some article about a wireless transmitter made by Gefan |
| [07:19:15] | bechemel: | wagnerrp, so that ebay auction shows a pic for a broadcom BMC7021 if i read correctly? |
| [07:19:15] | wagnerrp: | Gefen |
| [07:19:16] | clev: | and it probly isnt ethernet so you cant shove it into wifi |
| [07:19:29] | wagnerrp: | no, it is certainly not ethernet |
| [07:19:48] | wagnerrp: | it just runs the raw DVI signal over a pair of cat5 cables |
| [07:19:50] | clev: | just abusing the commonly found twisted pair wire |
| [07:19:55] | bechemel: | is there ANY driver in the linux kernel for broadcasting? |
| [07:19:56] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [07:20:02] | wagnerrp: | bechemel: no clue |
| [07:20:06] | bechemel: | arg |
| [07:20:18] | clev: | wagnerrp: ive seen people using cat5 for raw DC power before |
| [07:20:33] | wagnerrp: | clev: check out POE |
| [07:20:34] | bechemel: | i see a DVB but i think its just for receiving |
| [07:20:36] | clev: | just double the wires up a bit, like run 4 wires for + and 4 for - |
| [07:20:54] | bechemel: | there is PoE |
| [07:21:00] | clev: | wagnerrp: the problem with POE is that it needs a special adapter at each end |
| [07:21:09] | bechemel: | oh yea th balun u were just talkin about |
| [07:21:18] | clev: | when you could just hack open a cat5 plug and wire it right in |
| [07:21:44] | clev: | the one i read was using it to power a hacked up laptop in a picture frame |
| [07:21:45] | wagnerrp: | you could do that, or you could just run power line |
| [07:21:55] | clev: | and the cat5 line matched the paint on the walls, so you didnt see it |
| [07:21:58] | bechemel: | i use cat 5 for my surround sound |
| [07:22:01] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of using cat5 if youre not going to use it for data as well |
| [07:22:03] | bechemel: | works good |
| [07:22:21] | wagnerrp: | cat5 is terrible for audio cable |
| [07:22:25] | clev: | ive used plain old phone line(4 wires) for my speaker system |
| [07:22:39] | wagnerrp: | its not a balanced signal, so theres no point to twisting it (it makes things worse) |
| [07:22:43] | wagnerrp: | and there is no shielding |
| [07:22:44] | bechemel: | i dont see hear any probs |
| [07:22:59] | bechemel: | see ahh |
| [07:23:02] | bechemel: | im goin to bed |
| [07:23:08] | clev: | wagnerrp: what if you use the other wire(in each pair) as a seperate gnd to act as a shield? |
| [07:23:18] | clev: | so thats 4 wires/speaker, gnd gnd – + |
| [07:23:37] | wagnerrp: | the whole purpose of a shield is that it shields the signal wires |
| [07:23:46] | clev: | similar to how 80 wire ide gets more speed by adding 40 gnd's |
| [07:23:48] | bechemel: | i see what ur saying |
| [07:23:48] | wagnerrp: | what good is a shield if does not surround the other wire |
| [07:24:03] | clev: | wagnerrp: then how does 80 wire ide get better speed? |
| [07:24:19] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i have no idea |
| [07:24:35] | wagnerrp: | considering its a 40-pin plug, that always baffled me |
| [07:24:36] | cesman: | fairy dust |
| [07:24:50] | bechemel: | every other wire is a shield? |
| [07:24:54] | clev: | yes |
| [07:24:58] | clev: | the extra 40 wires are all gnd |
| [07:25:33] | clev: | the internals of the plug are made to route them all together into the gnd pins |
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| [07:42:00] | mchou: | bechemel: braodcasting what exactly? |
| [07:42:16] | mchou: | oops, nm |
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| [08:00:40] | wagnerrp: | if only someone made one of those things with analog inputs, and an attached mpeg encoder |
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| [09:52:21] | BWGames: | been trying to get mythtv to run again after a long absence, when i run mythtv-setup, it kills mythbackend, then asks if i want to run mythfilldb, i say no, it quits; yes, it spends ages tryign to connect to the backend (on the old ip), and just keeps repeating, any help? |
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| [09:58:23] | cesman: | it is the mythtv-setup would kill the backend |
| [09:58:45] | cesman: | however, you shouldn't have the backend running when you do run mythtv-setup |
| [09:59:07] | BWGames: | it isn't, and it displays a message saying none killed |
| [09:59:13] | BWGames: | but then it tries to run filldb |
| [09:59:49] | cesman: | what distro are you running? |
| [09:59:57] | BWGames: | ubuntu (not mythbuntu) |
| [10:00:47] | cesman: | are you using the ubuntu packages? |
| [10:00:50] | BWGames: | yes |
| [10:01:16] | cesman: | then I'd suggest you seek please in #ubuntu-mythtv (I think) |
| [10:01:17] | directhex: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [10:01:33] | cesman: | as the behavior you are describing doesn't sound normal to me... |
| [10:02:50] | BWGames: | ah, just found out about mythtv-setup.real |
| [10:03:11] | BWGames: | ERROR: This version of MythTV requires MySQL 5.0 or later. You seem to be running MySQL version 4.1.15-Debian_1ubuntu5-log. |
| [10:03:29] | BWGames: | suprised it doesnt output that in normal -setup |
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| [11:47:16] | btQuark: | in mythweb my jobqueue does not empty itself |
| [11:47:40] | btQuark: | there's lots of failed jobs and some new ones at the top that do not get seem to get executed |
| [11:47:47] | btQuark: | how could i empty the job queue |
| [11:47:56] | btQuark: | i could not find anything related in the database |
| [11:50:04] | btQuark: | well...found some |
| [11:50:22] | btQuark: | ability to read is a clear advantage |
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| [12:03:40] | Tr1p: | hello ; mythtv --> how can i update my movielist whitout using my interface |
| [12:04:43] | btQuark: | have you tried mythweb? |
| [12:05:06] | Tr1p: | yes |
| [12:05:20] | Tr1p: | i thought more like a ssh-bash command |
| [12:05:21] | GreyFoxx: | DEpends on what you are trying to do. Actually fill in the data or just make the file appear |
| [12:05:33] | Tr1p: | make teh file appear |
| [12:05:43] | Tr1p: | for the date i have imdb.pl |
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| [12:06:05] | GreyFoxx: | If you just want new files to show up in the list turn the settings in the video settings menu that say MODE Browses Files |
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| [12:06:30] | GreyFoxx: | then when you go into the list, or gallery or whatever the files will show up, they just wont have any data with them |
| [12:06:52] | Tr1p: | i wont use my tv when im doing that so i need it to do in terminal |
| [12:07:17] | GreyFoxx: | The Browse modes are a setting. Turn it on once and you are done |
| [12:07:24] | GreyFoxx: | to do what I'm describing |
| [12:08:07] | Tr1p: | i add files to my network, i boot my mythtv , he connect to my mediaserver , and then he must find the new files ... |
| [12:08:16] | Tr1p: | ill go check |
| [12:09:10] | Tr1p: | the meaning is i never have to use the menu that find my files , becouse it should find my files automaticly or in a crontab |
| [12:09:38] | GreyFoxx: | If you turn on browse mode it doesn't have to have them in the database at all |
| [12:09:54] | GreyFoxx: | It will read the drive when you open mythvidoe and show you the files it finds |
| [12:09:56] | Tr1p: | but can i fill in my datainfo ? |
| [12:10:20] | GreyFoxx: | Not this way no. |
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| [12:10:30] | GreyFoxx: | cause they wont be in the database to fill in |
| [12:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | if you want to add them AND fill in data from a commandline you will have to write a script to do it |
| [12:12:01] | Tr1p: | browse mode is on , its not a option :p |
| [12:12:08] | GreyFoxx: | Or use mythwebs interface for it |
| [12:12:09] | Tr1p: | he finds 4456 movies |
| [12:12:24] | GreyFoxx: | mythweb has the option to scan for vi9deos, and add metadata |
| [12:12:43] | Tr1p: | it doesent work with my :( |
| [12:12:46] | Tr1p: | some errors |
| [12:15:03] | Tr1p: | u know how that option calles in mythweb ? |
| [12:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | I often use mythweb for adding the data, but I never use it for the file scanning |
| [12:16:17] | GreyFoxx: | so I'm not sure what it funs |
| [12:16:20] | GreyFoxx: | runs |
| [12:16:35] | Tr1p: | add data thats automaticly here |
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| [12:42:46] | btQuark: | what is the meaning of RTJPEG in the transcoders selection? |
| [12:42:56] | btQuark: | does that produce some nasty mjpeg results? |
| [12:43:18] | btQuark: | where are some docs on what the mpeg4 parameters do |
| [12:44:11] | laga: | in the docs |
| [12:45:54] | dashcloud: | btQuark: for encoding mpeg4 video? |
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| [12:58:13] | btQuark: | laga: obviously, sure. but they're way too well structured for a quick lookup |
| [12:58:15] | btQuark: | ;-) |
| [12:58:54] | btQuark: | dashcloud: i do have dvb-recordings of tv-shows and radio shows and i want to recode them to xvid (mp4) and the radio stuff to mp3 |
| [12:59:36] | btQuark: | and i thought i'ld switch all transcoders from rtjpeg to mpeg4 |
| [12:59:40] | _gunni_: | btQuark: I use projectx and avidemux for mythtv-to-xvid |
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| [12:59:55] | btQuark: | hm. so there is no decent way to do that automatic? |
| [13:00:22] | _gunni_: | Dont know, if you find a better way, i would be happy to be informed :) |
| [13:00:47] | _gunni_: | But you can try to run those things as user scripts maybe. |
| [13:01:42] | btQuark: | yeah, actually that lossfree encoding should be a good way, since its mpeg2->mpeg2 and given the docs just converts ts->ps and sanitizes the video |
| [13:02:19] | btQuark: | i wonder how one can use the data created by commflag while transcoding to xvid |
| [13:02:46] | btQuark: | funny thing is: transcode just made my files bigger |
| [13:02:48] | btQuark: | wtf |
| [13:02:51] | _gunni_: | If you transcode withing mythtv commercials can be cut |
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| [13:03:25] | btQuark: | jup, using the standard transcode functionality |
| [13:03:28] | _gunni_: | btQuark: If you transcode lossless files should not get bigger |
| [13:04:13] | linuxwanabe: | anyone have an ati device working with mythtv? |
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| [13:06:28] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | hullo |
| [13:07:25] | linuxwanabe: | hi jed |
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| [13:07:42] | JEDIDIAH_myth: | does anyone know why the code is explicitly locking tables? |
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| [13:08:34] | btQuark: | i tried transcoding with the standard settings using his "autodetect" profile |
| [13:08:54] | btQuark: | i'll just experiment a bit |
| [13:08:59] | btQuark: | there's enough material left |
| [13:10:02] | btQuark: | what causes new databasetables to be populated when i first run a frontend? |
| [13:10:24] | btQuark: | i actually lost some time until i heard here that i need to run a frontend once to get valid data into my transcoding tables |
| [13:10:42] | btQuark: | to make transcode or commflag not fail with random errorcode |
| [13:11:52] | btQuark: | because i suppose some people will run mythtv headless and wonder where they'ld get valid databasestuff from |
| [13:12:43] | btQuark: | other question is: does someone here have experience with xmltvgrabbers in germany? |
| [13:14:12] | laga: | depends on what you need to know |
| [13:16:57] | btQuark: | i do have some dvb-s here and wonder if it would be worth or possible to enrich the data given by dvb-eit with some xmltvgrabber |
| [13:17:30] | btQuark: | i'ld suppose the eit-data might be more precise? |
| [13:18:22] | laga: | it's possibly more up to date |
| [13:18:38] | laga: | for the private stations, xmltv data can be more verbose and longer into the future |
| [13:22:17] | btQuark: | ok, would you use the prisma one or the one adapted from vdr? |
| [13:23:06] | laga: | i use tv_grab_eu_epgdata because i've written it ;) |
| [13:23:20] | laga: | there's also xmltv.info, but they only provide show names and the time |
| [13:23:27] | btQuark: | :D |
| [13:23:56] | btQuark: | eu was one of the xmltv-subscription services? |
| [13:24:00] | laga: | yes |
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| [13:25:29] | btQuark: | hm. i suppose i'll stay with the eit-data |
| [13:28:12] | btQuark: | old james bond movies should be findable without additional epg data |
| [13:28:26] | btQuark: | or i should end up buying the big box of them ;-) |
| [13:29:15] | ** btQuark likes the old 007 movies ** | |
| [13:31:01] | btQuark: | but thanks for your help laga :) |
| [13:31:12] | laga: | james bond is awesome |
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| [13:48:02] | fietsbel: | hello guys, anyone here using dvb-c ? |
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| [13:59:46] | fietsbel: | anyone here using dvb-c ? |
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| [14:03:58] | btQuark: | does rtjpeg result in those crappy nuv-files? |
| [14:04:34] | laga: | yes, so does mpeg4 |
| [14:04:47] | btQuark: | weeeeeew! |
| [14:05:16] | btQuark: | that would mean that i will need a userjob after each transcode to make xvid out of it? |
| [14:05:27] | btQuark: | or can i make it bypass nuv directly? |
| [14:05:39] | btQuark: | because nuv is actually less helpfull than huge mpegs |
| [14:06:00] | laga: | you can just use an user job to transcode to xvid directly |
| [14:06:14] | btQuark: | hm. so that would mean that standard transcode is useless then? |
| [14:06:29] | laga: | no. you just want something else |
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| [14:07:52] | laga: | to save space? it's obviously not meant for exporting |
| [14:08:07] | btQuark: | hmk |
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| [14:09:06] | btQuark: | i was using mythtv headless here, with users directly accessing a smb-share with the mpegs |
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| [14:10:14] | btQuark: | so i'ld need publicly accessible formats, hence my expectations.. |
| [14:10:28] | btQuark: | would i put parameters with the userjob? |
| [14:10:48] | btQuark: | and could i use some variables in the parameters? |
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| [14:30:04] | btQuark: | seems lossless mpeg2-transcode does not cause nuv |
| [14:30:51] | GreyFoxx: | no, it just cuts out the frames not requires and rebuilds in the index |
| [14:31:01] | GreyFoxx: | otherwise it would be a lossy transcode :) |
| [14:35:00] | btQuark: | yup. seems like what i want for every recording |
| [14:35:08] | btQuark: | ts -> ps |
| [14:35:23] | btQuark: | after mpeg results in crappy nuvs |
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| [15:10:04] | linuxwanabe_: | anyone know what would cause video abberations when using myth? anytime something moves on screen the it turns into the moving stuff turns into a horizontal lines |
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| [15:20:39] | hume: | hi... I am trying to install a new dvb-c card, Technotrend C-1501, and so far think I have drivers and CI module in place (note "think"). In mythtvsetup, I come to the "search for channels" step – then I get an error: Error in reading parameters. Anyone can help me with this? What to check or try? |
| [15:23:03] | laga: | you need to enter an initial transponder |
| [15:25:06] | hume: | ok...does that mean to load channels from an existing channels.conf? (i am not sure what a "transponder" is) |
| [15:26:03] | laga: | i think there is some documentation in the user's guide at wiki.mythtv.org |
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| [15:29:29] | directhex: | channels.conf lacks data needed for dvb |
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| [15:30:08] | hume: | is it the frequency i need to set? |
| [15:30:21] | hume: | there is an empty space for that....? |
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| [15:32:49] | directhex: | that's one of the main characteristics of a transponder |
| [15:33:17] | directhex: | more likely IME is that your cable provider may send garbage channel data, to prevent use of unofficial boxes. most do, certainly in europe. |
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| [15:33:56] | hume: | so what is a transponder? i am using com hem, in Sweden, and as I understand there are a number of people that can use myth with this...? |
| [15:35:37] | directhex: | digital TV works by sending a whole bunch of streams down the same frequency – these streams are glued together to get marked as channels (a video stream, one or more audio streams, perhaps an interactive stream, etc). so with british over-the-air dvb-t for example, some frequencies carry about 10 channels |
| [15:36:00] | directhex: | those per-frequency clumps of channels are called a multiplex for dvb-t, and a transponder for dvb-s or dvb-c |
| [15:38:19] | hume: | ok.... i found a page at the wiki, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_D . . . s_--_Norway, telling about transponders found by using a utility called scandvb – i am on ubuntu, and cannot find "scandvb" – is there another way? |
| [15:38:30] | laga: | it's called "scan" |
| [15:40:56] | hume: | ok..i have scan |
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| [15:41:45] | hume: | yes, in scan output there is a first row called "initial transponder" – what to do with this now? |
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| [16:08:25] | hume: | now I succeded in searching for channels at least...:)...i imported a channels.conf made by scan |
| [16:09:25] | hume: | but now I have another problem: frontend does not connect. I have set backend to use the ipadress 192.168.0.20, but frontend seems not to be able to connect on this adress. what mig be wrong? |
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| [16:14:51] | otwin: | hume: make sure remote access is allowed to the db, see docs http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html |
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| [16:15:13] | stuarta: | anyone heard of USB problems with 2.6.26?? |
| [16:15:47] | stuarta: | manages to oops the kernel by printing :-/ |
| [16:15:55] | stuarta: | managed |
| [16:16:17] | wagnerrp: | you mean 'panic'? |
| [16:16:23] | stuarta: | no oops |
| [16:16:31] | wagnerrp: | what is an 'oops'? |
| [16:16:45] | stuarta: | it's like a panic but non fatal to the whole kernel |
| [16:17:00] | stuarta: | more like a segfault in a userland process |
| [16:17:07] | laga: | it's like "oops, this is fscked" |
| [16:17:15] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
| [16:17:39] | stuarta: | panic is what solaris does when it drops it's bundle |
| [16:17:47] | hume: | otwin, on checking the mysql-settings, i find a file in /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf with a row #bind-address=0.0.0.0 – should this be my ip instead? and not commented out? |
| [16:18:04] | stuarta: | biab, rebooting this box |
| [16:18:06] | jams: | stuarta- usb printer? |
| [16:18:09] | directhex: | that would be helpful, yes |
| [16:18:10] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [16:18:12] | otwin: | hume: also check /etc/mysql/my.cnf for a bind-adress ligne and set it to the actual ip |
| [16:18:35] | stuarta: | hence me asking about USB problems... :) |
| [16:18:40] | hume: | otwin, that one, my.cnf, is set to my 192.168.0.20 |
| [16:18:56] | jams: | my label printer works ok, but certainly thats not the end all be all of tests |
| [16:18:56] | hume: | otwin, but how about the mythtv.cnf? |
| [16:19:16] | stuarta: | well it was working just fine, stopped half way through a print |
| [16:19:28] | stuarta: | so it generally works |
| [16:19:32] | jams: | heh |
| [16:19:38] | stuarta: | but is fubar till i reboot |
| [16:19:40] | otwin: | hume: don't know, only have my.cnf – but it mysql should not be bound exclusevely to localhost |
| [16:19:46] | hume: | otwin, i have no problems logging in to phpmyadmin with the ip-no |
| [16:20:11] | ** stuarta goes to actually reboot ** | |
| [16:20:54] | otwin: | hume: phpmyadmin is a local connection |
| [16:21:43] | hume: | otwin, ok |
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| [16:23:55] | stuarta: | that's better. |
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| [16:25:17] | hume: | hrm....now i see – in the backend setup (master backend) there is a "security pin" – i set it now, was not set before – but where to set it on the frontend? or am I wrong? |
| [16:25:59] | stuarta: | it'll ask when you try and connect a new frontend to the backend |
| [16:27:13] | hume: | so I just type the ip-adress, as before, and run through it, and it says it cannot connect to backend.....? using the same ip, 192.168.0.20 as in backend setup, set for both local backend and masterbackend in first mythsetup screen...? |
| [16:28:31] | sphery: | sigh... I made a comment on -users to a specific person who got all upset and had to "slam" me by saying I'm clueless about anything UI related in Myth and "proved" it by quoting a thread where he disagreed with me. So, having reminded him about the disagreement, he goes and makes a ticket saying Myth should be changed to do things his way. |
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| [16:29:38] | otwin: | hume: did you grant access to the mythconverg db as the docs say? |
| [16:29:48] | hume: | when I start the backend-setup, the terminal starting it says "connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.0.20 – would that not mean that the mysql-settings are ok? |
| [16:30:01] | sphery: | Now I have to consider actually fixing things properly so Myth doesn't get changed to his broken view of the world... |
| [16:30:05] | wagnerrp: | which thread? |
| [16:30:23] | hume: | otwin, my mythconverg user has all privileges to mythconverg at all hosts (%), according to phpmyadmin |
| [16:30:43] | laga: | sphery: neat. ;) |
| [16:30:47] | laga: | moar fixes. |
| [16:31:15] | sphery: | It's actually not so much a fix as just added a new screen to mythfrontend (something that makes no sense until that part of mfe is changed to mythui...) |
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| [16:32:03] | hume: | otwin: user 'mythtv@%" – all privileges to database 'mythconverg' .... ? guess there is a stupid thing i missed, but where? |
| [16:32:36] | sphery: | It's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5759 ticket. Here's where I reminded him: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/348869#348869 and he quotes the thread where I said: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/293806#293806 |
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| [16:33:07] | sphery: | (in the ticket he quotes the thread) |
| [16:33:26] | otwin: | hume: ehh, the user usually is 'mythtv' not 'mythtv@%' thats the db |
| [16:34:29] | sphery: | hume: did you ever get the security PIN set on the frontend? You set that in the initial dialog box that appears when you first start mythfrontend. To make it reappear, rm ~/.mythtv/{mysql.txt,config.xml} |
| [16:34:37] | hume: | otwin, ok, that is how phpmydamin says it |
| [16:34:46] | sphery: | And make sure you don't have a bunch of other mysql.txt's that could cause problems. |
| [16:35:23] | otwin: | hume: and i recommend doing this through the command line as i had trouble doing the 'all hosts' thing through phpmyadmin before – just copy paste from the docs |
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| [16:37:25] | fietsbel: | guys |
| [16:37:55] | sphery: | gals? |
| [16:38:02] | stuarta: | fish |
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| [16:38:32] | mattwj2002: | hey everyone |
| [16:38:35] | hume: | sphery, get no security pin dialog box? i deleted mysql-txt and config.xml, and restarted frontend, but it does not ask for security pin |
| [16:38:44] | mattwj2002: | oh yeah I forgot everyone is dead :( |
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| [16:39:03] | wagnerrp: | brains..... |
| [16:39:27] | ** wagnerrp begins gnawing on mattwj2002's head ** | |
| [16:39:55] | ** stuarta whacks wagnerrp with a wet kipper ** | |
| [16:40:35] | ** mattwj2002 cries in pain ** | |
| [16:40:55] | ** stuarta pokes his printer with a sharp stick ** | |
| [16:41:31] | mattwj2002: | what is wrong with your printer? |
| [16:41:39] | wagnerrp: | bugged usb driver |
| [16:41:42] | stuarta: | it keeps stopping |
| [16:41:49] | mattwj2002: | that sucks |
| [16:41:50] | mattwj2002: | :( |
| [16:42:06] | stuarta: | fyi, i've gone down a kernel version, and the usb stack is no longer oopsing |
| [16:42:16] | stuarta: | it's just not doing anything |
| [16:42:40] | ** stuarta tries threatening it ** | |
| [16:43:03] | sphery: | hume: you deleted mysql.txt (with a dot, not a dash)? |
| [16:45:56] | wagnerrp: | you deleted under the correct username? |
| [16:46:08] | sphery: | and that, too |
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| [17:02:04] | elprespufferfish: | anybody around to help me with mythfrontend? |
| [17:02:22] | stuarta: | perhaps just try asking your question? |
| [17:02:28] | elprespufferfish: | touche |
| [17:02:40] | elprespufferfish: | i have mythfrontend set to start automatically with mingetty and evilwm |
| [17:02:46] | elprespufferfish: | when it starts all i see is the theme wallpaper, no menu |
| [17:03:02] | elprespufferfish: | but if i SSH in, and start another mythfrontend on top of that, the second one works |
| [17:04:25] | stuarta: | that is a unusual setup |
| [17:04:29] | hume: | sphery, yes, and now there is a symlink to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [17:04:42] | elprespufferfish: | stuarta, even if i don't have it auto login, and startx myself, it still doesn't work |
| [17:06:18] | stuarta: | so, when you manually log into X, and start mythfrontend, it still doesn't work? |
| [17:06:37] | elprespufferfish: | stuarta, no, but if go to another console and do DISPLAY=":0" mythfrontend, to run another on top, it works |
| [17:08:59] | ** stuarta trouts the USB stack ** | |
| [17:10:13] | elprespufferfish: | ? |
| [17:10:16] | sphery: | hume: the symlink to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt is preventing it from asking |
| [17:10:53] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: which theme? |
| [17:11:44] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, Blue? |
| [17:11:55] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, happens with the default too(GANT?) |
| [17:12:10] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: and you have the MS core fonts installed? (both blue and G.A.N.T use Arial) |
| [17:12:46] | sphery: | if you're on Ubuntu, I think they set up appropriate substitutions with some free fonts, though (liber...something) |
| [17:13:14] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, if i load another mythfrontend on top it works fine though, so im prety sure thats not it |
| [17:13:57] | sphery: | could be a race--starting mfe before everything is set up to make subs work or whatever... |
| [17:14:22] | hume: | sphery, ok... deleted it, still no asking for pin, but this time it connects! |
| [17:14:25] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, starting mfe before what? |
| [17:14:32] | sphery: | what happens if your start script that starts mfe sleeps for a few seconds before starting |
| [17:15:10] | sphery: | hume: good. Most connection problems (when database permissions are right) are due to broken mysql.txt and/or config.xml |
| [17:15:22] | hume: | ok |
| [17:15:53] | sphery: | if you re-do the delete of ~/.mythtv/{mysql.txt,config.xml} , it should actually ask for the PIN |
| [17:16:07] | sphery: | both need to be gone when you start mfe |
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| [17:16:41] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, seems to work....any idea why this just started happening? it had been running fine for months before |
| [17:16:46] | sphery: | race |
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| [17:17:23] | sphery: | can be cause by changes to the kernel (i.e. when I changed to CFS, it completely borked some of my start scripts that relied on certain timing that occurred without CFS) |
| [17:18:05] | sphery: | or could be any of a number of other things that change the startup timing (even changing versions of programs that are run, etc.) |
| [17:18:27] | sphery: | glad it works, though. |
| [17:18:51] | sphery: | you can probably play with the sleep to get it to a min. Just make sure you give X/evilms/font server/... time to start before mfe starts. |
| [17:19:03] | elprespufferfish: | yeah, sleep 1 seems to work fine |
| [17:19:03] | sphery: | s/evilms/evilwm |
| [17:19:08] | elprespufferfish: | i can live with that |
| [17:19:11] | sphery: | funny typo... ms evil? |
| [17:19:25] | elprespufferfish: | now then, anybody know if mythgallery is supposed to take like 1–2 seconds to load a photo? |
| [17:19:27] | sphery: | cool. waiting 1 second for TV isn't too bad |
| [17:19:38] | sphery: | probably a very high-res photo, right? |
| [17:19:48] | sphery: | (i.e. many megapixels) |
| [17:20:14] | elprespufferfish: | not that big |
| [17:20:18] | sphery: | It's slow because the photos are large. Next version of Myth (0.22) should have some improvements that really speed it up (thanks to gbee and GreyFoxx ) |
| [17:20:21] | elprespufferfish: | just a pocket cam |
| [17:20:24] | elprespufferfish: | no dslr |
| [17:20:34] | sphery: | then it's probably due to the OpenGL transitions |
| [17:20:35] | elprespufferfish: | its a pretty powerful CPU |
| [17:20:43] | sphery: | what video drivers? |
| [17:20:52] | elprespufferfish: | im not using a transition, im just selecting one photo |
| [17:21:02] | elprespufferfish: | nvidia 173.14.12 |
| [17:21:52] | sphery: | Try turning off the MythGallery setting, "Use OpenGL transitions" just to verify. |
| [17:21:58] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, it is off |
| [17:22:23] | elprespufferfish: | also, is there a way to run the imdb script for mythvideo en masse? |
| [17:22:52] | sphery: | does it take that long on successive tries--the first time mythgallery loads an image it makes a thumbnail. Might be the thumb creation slowing it down the first time. |
| [17:23:06] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, takes that long if i visit it again |
| [17:23:30] | sphery: | OK, then on the mythgallery thing, I'm out of ideas--I don't really use it, so I don't know any details of how it works. |
| [17:24:01] | sphery: | For the imdb thing, there are several scripts that users have made that do bulk updates (search with imdb bulk update for one). |
| [17:25:08] | sphery: | Note, also, that the whole imdb.pl script will probably disappear in the next version (as we've determined that it violates the IMDB TOS). There's work being done to make scripts for other sites, so if you know of any sites with more permissive licensing (and good data, if possible), suggestions are appreciated. |
| [17:25:47] | sphery: | I think they're looking at omdb and (something to the effect of) moviedb |
| [17:26:12] | GreyFoxx: | Expect to see a TV grabber for thetvdb.com to show up in contrib at least in the next couple days |
| [17:26:22] | sphery: | yeah, that will be cool. |
| [17:26:23] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:26:34] | GreyFoxx: | I'm making it as simple as possible |
| [17:26:54] | GreyFoxx: | works perfectly for me, but going through the steps of trying to break it for use by others |
| [17:26:54] | elprespufferfish: | well, now that mythtv works again(mostly) i can get back to tinkering to lower boot time |
| [17:27:03] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: why in contrib? |
| [17:27:07] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: One of the big requests from users was a way to parse the imdb tv episode data better, so that script will be appreciated by many |
| [17:27:30] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: good luck |
| [17:27:31] | GreyFoxx: | Anduin: Was gonna put it there until I talked to you about actually integrating with mythvideo heh |
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| [17:28:07] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: I've used it to populate covers and details for thousands of shows in my TV archive |
| [17:28:14] | sphery: | nice |
| [17:28:17] | GreyFoxx: | with almost no input from me |
| [17:28:40] | sphery: | so are you going to make an equally smart movie grabber? :) |
| [17:29:05] | GreyFoxx: | The way it's writting now it is run once to ID directories of shows/seasons whcih it stores along with the tvdb seriesid in a .info file in the directory |
| [17:29:13] | Anduin: | GreyFoxx: I'd just put it in with the other scripts, I do have changes to how the grabbers work but they are all delayed until I'm done tweaking the MythUI stuff. |
| [17:29:22] | GreyFoxx: | from then on it can auto populate few files info |
| [17:29:26] | GreyFoxx: | so it can be cronned or whatever |
| [17:29:36] | GreyFoxx: | Andu: cool |
| [17:29:44] | elprespufferfish: | why in the world does mythmusic need write perms on the music dir |
| [17:29:59] | sphery: | ah, so for one-off movies, it wouldn't be able to be so unattended... |
| [17:30:10] | sphery: | elprespufferfish: to write tags to the files |
| [17:30:11] | iamlindoro: | To write ID3 tags |
| [17:30:33] | GreyFoxx: | spher: Well yes and no, the first pass ID's the content as TV and so on, if the directory was id'd as containing movies it could grab movie info instead |
| [17:31:44] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, can't recall whether you said you have a field in the .info file for direcotry type (ie Movies/TV/etc) |
| [17:31:51] | sphery: | yeah, but then it would probably need some input as to whether it got the right movie (i.e. when there are several movies with matching titles or when I say, "Chronicles of Narnia" as my filename, rather than, "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe" or whatever. |
| [17:31:52] | GreyFoxx: | yeah I do |
| [17:32:20] | iamlindoro: | Cool, that will be a big help and more or less solves the "different grabbers for different directories" thing. Nice. |
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| [17:33:18] | elprespufferfish: | sphery, that seems optional, it said it NEEDED write access |
| [17:34:16] | ** sphery thinks it's not optional ** | |
| [17:34:38] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/example.txt |
| [17:35:07] | GreyFoxx: | That's example of a series match run, (-sm) to ID the series name/season and grab those covers |
| [17:35:33] | sphery: | Nice. |
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| [17:36:03] | GreyFoxx: | example2.txt is a run that pulls info from thetvdb.com, populates the DB, and grabs per episode screenshots |
| [17:36:14] | GreyFoxx: | obvisouly more verbose than needed |
| [17:36:38] | sphery: | better than my backup/restore scripts, which are probably less verbose than needed |
| [17:36:43] | GreyFoxx: | and there is a -y to auto accept the "Grab Cover?" question |
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| [17:37:00] | fishsponge_: | hello people – how do i get mythgallery to reindex the photos in the directory? |
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| [17:39:52] | GreyFoxx: | so far it works with *.sXeN.* filenames, *sX.eN.*, and *.NxN.* names |
| [17:40:46] | GreyFoxx: | next I'll add something to Id *.N.* and if the number is > 100 use that as season= N /100, and episode = N mod 100 |
| [17:41:10] | GreyFoxx: | trying to make it as automatic as possible but everyone arranges everything differently |
| [17:42:34] | hume: | now it seems I have almost everything running...:) except mythweb – accessing it through 192.168.0.20/mythweb gives me "access denied" - ?? |
| [17:43:35] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Yeah, everyone does it differently. When you upload it, I'm sure someone will request a change that makes it work better with the warez names... :( |
| [17:43:42] | sphery: | hume: did you configure mythweb |
| [17:44:01] | GreyFoxx: | spher: this should work fine with them for the most part |
| [17:44:13] | GreyFoxx: | it just does not support single directories containing several different series |
| [17:44:21] | hume: | sphery, no...where? |
| [17:44:23] | sphery: | (mythweb.conf somewhere under /etc/httpd or somewhere, depending on distro) |
| [17:44:30] | GreyFoxx: | It can handle a directory with episodesof different seasons of the same series |
| [17:44:37] | GreyFoxx: | just not 1 dir with every show in your collection :) |
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| [17:59:25] | mishehu: | can anybody recommend me a good remote control for use with mythtv? I unfortunately cannot use my audigy 2zs remote in my machine in the living room – no available drive bay for the platinum drive to go into |
| [17:59:45] | mishehu: | I suppose something that connects via usb somehow would be a good solution. |
| [18:00:09] | Dagmar: | Just like it says on the wiki, just go to the dept store and find some programmable remote you like |
| [18:00:30] | fryfrog: | mishehu: almost any MCE remote should work pretty well, someone sent me MCE reciever (usb) and remote, the reciever works great. |
| [18:00:36] | fryfrog: | (don't use the remote) |
| [18:02:22] | hume: | sphery, yes, thanks...:) |
| [18:03:07] | sphery: | hume: did it work? |
| [18:03:33] | hume: | sphery, yes, just db-ip and dp-password, that's it |
| [18:04:14] | hume: | sphery, only thing left now is to have program guide to work, and then to connect my other backend with analog ard to this, but not tonite..:) |
| [18:08:20] | sphery: | hume: great. enjoy |
| [18:08:28] | mishehu: | fryfrog: I think I'm going to go and try that one. the last time I had checked was prior to the release of lirc 0.8.1, and I don't think all were supported. |
| [18:09:07] | mishehu: | fryfrog: what's the matter with the remote itself? |
| [18:09:36] | mishehu: | although if it picks up my audigy 2 remote it'd be fine by me. heh. |
| [18:09:51] | fryfrog: | mishehu: oh, nothing i just have a Harmony remote that is teh awesome. |
| [18:10:23] | ** sphery wants an RF harmony remote (and not an RF->IR repeater harmony remote) ** | |
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| [18:15:26] | break-free: | hey, is there a way to listen to last.fm easily in mythtv? |
| [18:16:09] | mishehu: | fryfrog: ah, the expensive remote. |
| [18:16:20] | mishehu: | I prefer to punish people with 4 different remote controls ;-) |
| [18:16:32] | mishehu: | security by obscurity ;-) |
| [18:16:34] | fryfrog: | mishehu: i got one of their cheapest, back when they had a $65 or $70. |
| [18:16:51] | fryfrog: | now that they are up to like $150 *min* I'm not sure if I'd do it or not :/ |
| [18:16:56] | mishehu: | that and kids will ruin them. |
| [18:17:09] | sphery: | break-free: don't know what last.fm is, but if it's some sort of Internet Radio, check out MythStream. |
| [18:17:13] | fryfrog: | my parents broke the usb connector from their $150 one :/ |
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| [18:17:47] | mishehu: | fryfrog: heh, that's an oops. |
| [18:19:13] | fryfrog: | seriouslah :/ |
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| [18:39:07] | DarrenCT: | can somebody help me? I'm trying to secure my Mythweb, i've used both "basic" auth, and "digest", created the appropriate password files, etc, restarted apache, and when I do that, I get the "mobile" version of mythweb on my computer. However, if I comment out the security, it returns to normal??!! |
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| [18:43:20] | UniHome: | Hello all. Very odd problem. We watched a couple of saved videos a couple nights ago. Today when I selected them to watch again, only a couple seconds of video play and then it exits. I don't see any errors. If I use Xine to play them they play fine. The internal player will play other videos fine. Only these 2 won't play. |
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| [19:04:13] | fryfrog: | UniHome: is it saving your position, which is near the end? |
| [19:04:28] | fryfrog: | also, try kicking off another commflagging, i think that'll rebuilt seek tables? |
| [19:04:38] | fryfrog: | not that i really think that is the problem :/ |
| [19:05:50] | Dagmar: | UniHGome: So basically, you're saying that your problem isn't with MythTV, it's with whatever external player you decided to use instead of Internal. |
| [19:05:53] | Dagmar: | Good luck with that. |
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| [19:07:42] | Kazan: | yay for it being have-to-update remote day |
| [19:12:20] | Kazan: | WTF?! |
| [19:12:23] | Kazan: | i just taught it this remote |
| [19:12:26] | Kazan: | irw was working fine |
| [19:12:30] | Kazan: | but now it cannot hear the codes |
| [19:13:12] | Kazan: | mode2 sees them, but irw isn't hearing them |
| [19:13:22] | laga: | it cannot hear the codes? did you hit the mute button? |
| [19:13:38] | Kazan: | lol :P |
| [19:13:40] | Kazan: | you know what i mean |
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| [19:15:23] | Kazan: | found the problem |
| [19:15:27] | Kazan: | had a space in front of a # |
| [19:16:05] | UniHome: | Sorry I was running cables. |
| [19:16:22] | UniHome: | Dagmar to answer your question, no this is the internal player that is messing up |
| [19:16:30] | UniHome: | fryfrog you may be right |
| [19:16:41] | UniHome: | this might be at the end |
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| [19:17:30] | jmichelsen_: | im in it, i have been asking around for hours now in all the channels and no one has said anything |
| [19:18:07] | jmichelsen_: | i am trying to install a tuner card, its a hauppauge wintv-go-fm, its loading the bttv driver, /dev/video0 is present but no tv app can get input from it |
| [19:18:37] | directhex: | correct region set? correct input selected? |
| [19:18:40] | UniHome: | fryfrog Suggestions on getting it to release the saved position? |
| [19:19:03] | Kazan: | might not be supported jmichelsen_ |
| [19:19:28] | jmichelsen_: | i have searched around and found ppl that got it working but none of them say how |
| [19:20:00] | Kazan: | http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Hauppauge |
| [19:20:05] | jmichelsen_: | its an old card, even the Hauppauge site has guide for linux buts its 10 years old and doesnt apply |
| [19:20:15] | jmichelsen_: | Kazan: yea I saw its not listed there |
| [19:20:25] | Kazan: | then it's not supported by linux |
| [19:20:32] | UniHome: | too old a card |
| [19:20:32] | Kazan: | complain to hauppauge :D |
| [19:20:35] | Kazan: | they're normally pretty good |
| [19:20:42] | stuarta: | old is normally good |
| [19:20:54] | directhex: | no, it should be plug 'n' play |
| [19:20:57] | Kazan: | pull the model number off the card |
| [19:20:58] | directhex: | it's a bog standard bttv |
| [19:21:00] | Dagmar: | Actually, if you'll read the docs carefully and *learn how the driver works* there's probably a 98% chance you can make it work. |
| [19:21:04] | stuarta: | plug n pray you mean |
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| [19:21:19] | ** Kazan wonders why yum is being a boetch today ** | |
| [19:21:28] | stuarta: | it hates you |
| [19:21:33] | Dagmar: | If you sit around with your head up your ass, merely scan over the docs looking for something you can cut and paste, and don't put a lick of effort into thinking, the card will never work and people will laugh at you. |
| [19:21:40] | jmichelsen_: | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-user . . . /037236.html |
| [19:21:58] | jmichelsen_: | thats the same card i have, same dmesg output except one line |
| [19:22:18] | Dagmar: | Yeah, so? |
| [19:22:27] | tjcarter: | They added a lot of footage to Sanctuary's webisodes to make the premiere it looks like |
| [19:22:56] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Probably more like most of the webisode stuff was just extracted from the pilot |
| [19:23:08] | jmichelsen_: | Dagmar: i have been reading docs for hours, just because I am not leet like you doesnt mean im not trying |
| [19:23:17] | Dagmar: | How about you fuck off then |
| [19:23:19] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: originally there was no pilot. |
| [19:23:27] | tjcarter: | Dagmar: 15 minute episodes sold directly online |
| [19:23:28] | Dagmar: | Simply using my brain doesn't make me "leet". |
| [19:23:38] | UniHome: | I'm not finding anything on google about making the internal player release the saved posotion at the end of the video |
| [19:23:42] | Dagmar: | You refusing to think and acting like that DOES make you a worthless asshole tho |
| [19:23:46] | Dagmar: | Welcome to the ignore list. |
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| [19:24:10] | Dagmar: | tjcarter: Then you're probably rather right |
| [19:24:12] | stuarta: | Dagmar: take a chill pill man |
| [19:24:23] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression this was meant to be a "full sized" show from the start |
| [19:24:38] | Dagmar: | stuarta: I have no control over whether or not people want to act like dicks |
| [19:24:49] | stuarta: | he wasn't |
| [19:25:06] | Dagmar: | "Dagmar: i have been reading docs for hours, just because I am not leet like you doesnt mean im not trying" <-- this is definitely an insult |
| [19:25:14] | Kazan: | to himself perhaps |
| [19:25:17] | laga: | elite is an insult? |
| [19:25:19] | Kazan: | why don't you take a cihll pill |
| [19:25:25] | Dagmar: | He was being sarcastic. |
| [19:25:35] | Kazan: | and you're that thin skinned? |
| [19:25:40] | Dagmar: | Kazan: Stay in here a few weeks and see if you don't start seeing the same thing over and over |
| [19:25:45] | Dagmar: | It's not a matter of being thin skinned. |
| [19:25:50] | Kazan: | been there.. done that before |
| [19:25:52] | stuarta: | sarcasm != insult |
| [19:25:59] | Dagmar: | It's a matter of refusing to not discourage behaviour that SHOULD be discouraged |
| [19:26:26] | stuarta: | the link he posted shows he was 90% of the way there |
| [19:26:26] | Kazan: | it's a matter of you being a dick to a new user and therefore probably loosing mythtv a supporter |
| [19:26:37] | Dagmar: | We need users who are lazy assholes? |
| [19:26:40] | stuarta: | research like that should be encouraged... |
| [19:26:46] | Kazan: | nothing to do with lazy asshole dagmar |
| [19:26:51] | Dagmar: | I dropped a lot of hints about using his head |
| [19:26:53] | Kazan: | not everyone has the level of knowledge in linux that some of us have |
| [19:27:07] | Dagmar: | Kazan: And many simply refuse to even try |
| [19:27:39] | stuarta: | he did try, got most of the way there, and got "dagmar'd" for his trouble |
| [19:27:42] | Dagmar: | If he's been reading the documentation for hours, and hadn't gotten that card working, he was either lying about it or simply looking to find an answer that didn't involve thinking. |
| [19:27:50] | Kazan: | exactly stuarta |
| [19:27:55] | Dagmar: | Well, this is me, not caring |
| [19:28:01] | Kazan: | or he doesn't understand linux as well as we do |
| [19:28:05] | Kazan: | stop acting like a fucking prick |
| [19:28:07] | laga: | as a member of the ubuntu forums, i have seen many people who refused to try. i can tell he wasn't one of them ;) |
| [19:28:11] | Dagmar: | I'm not going to just suck it up when some twit wants to mouth off when he's asking for help |
| [19:28:21] | stuarta: | he didn't mouth off |
| [19:28:26] | stuarta: | you are |
| [19:28:29] | Dagmar: | There we'll have to disagree. |
| [19:28:32] | laga: | yeah, it's teh intarwebs and you just have to be right |
| [19:28:49] | Kazan: | don't oyu know dagmar is always right |
| [19:28:53] | Kazan: | he's l33t :P |
| [19:29:03] | Dagmar: | Kazan: It's got something to do with having been on the internet longer than color pono |
| [19:29:13] | ** stuarta pffts ** | |
| [19:29:20] | Dagmar: | s/pono/porno/; |
| [19:29:28] | ** Kazan rolleyes ** | |
| [19:29:33] | Kazan: | i've been on the net since 1993 too dagmar |
| [19:29:39] | Kazan: | stop acting like you've got a huge fucking epeen |
| [19:29:41] | Dagmar: | ...and there's more of that snarking that I'm sure you'll readily deny. |
| [19:30:07] | Kazan: | and i was on BBSes before the net took off |
| [19:30:23] | Kazan: | so seriously you're not the l33test moest experienced user in the chan |
| [19:30:25] | Kazan: | get off of it |
| [19:30:26] | Dagmar: | I was on BBSes when 300 baud and acoustic couplers were the means of connectivity. |
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| [19:30:47] | Dagmar: | Since you want to make this into an epeen contest |
| [19:30:58] | ** Kazan twirls is finger in the air ** | |
| [19:31:01] | Kazan: | s/is/his |
| [19:31:12] | Dagmar: | Screw it |
| [19:31:16] | Dagmar: | Another one into the ignore list |
| [19:31:35] | stuarta: | would the lot of you shutup? |
| [19:32:10] | Dagmar: | I took care of it. He's in the ignore list now so I won't have to see his blathering. |
| [19:32:11] | UniHome: | Kazan, stuarta, any idea why my internal player is starting at the end of a video and then won't play from the beginning? |
| [19:32:18] | Kazan: | no idea |
| [19:32:20] | Kazan: | that's weird |
| [19:32:26] | UniHome: | ya really wierd. |
| [19:32:32] | Kazan: | for some reason rpm on my system is acting like a boetch though :/ |
| [19:32:35] | stuarta: | Dagmar: i'm surprised you actually see any conversations in this channel |
| [19:32:51] | stuarta: | UniHome: sound like a bookmark |
| [19:32:59] | UniHome: | rpm has always had a tendancy to be a boetch |
| [19:33:04] | sphery: | UniHome: probably set a cutlist |
| [19:33:13] | Dagmar: | stuarta: There are suprising few people here who suffer from Ubuntu-itis |
| [19:33:15] | sphery: | or a bookmark |
| [19:33:20] | UniHome: | I didn't set any bookmarks, watched these 2 vids all the way through the other night |
| [19:33:35] | sphery: | might have set a bookmark on exit |
| [19:33:36] | UniHome: | when I start it now it just plays about 2 secs and then quits |
| [19:33:58] | Dagmar: | UniHome: Is this a recording you made or is it something you've loaded into MythVideo? |
| [19:34:08] | sphery: | when you select the video in Watch Recordings, hit Info instead of Play and select Play, then Play From Beginning...? |
| [19:34:15] | Dagmar: | If it's a recording you made, humor me and start it playing and hten press 'e' to pull up the cutlist |
| [19:34:28] | UniHome: | ahh looking for bookmarks I may have found a google link |
| [19:34:38] | Dagmar: | It's possible the cutlist got set to something insane |
| [19:34:56] | UniHome: | this isn't in recordings also, it's in videos |
| [19:35:21] | sphery: | then it's probably a bookmark |
| [19:36:38] | tjcarter: | actually, it looks like they redid it |
| [19:36:45] | tjcarter: | completely from scratch |
| [19:36:54] | sphery: | start watching, jump back as soon as possible and if it goes to a place before where it started, hit 0 (zero), I to get to the beginning |
| [19:37:09] | UniHome: | ok I'll try that |
| [19:37:28] | sphery: | then you can hit Return to set a bookmark (and, depending on settings, hitting it again may clear a bookmark) |
| [19:37:59] | sphery: | Oh, and I'm completely assuming you're using the Internal player for your videos. If not, it's something else. |
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| [19:39:25] | UniHome: | yea it's the internal |
| [19:39:55] | UniHome: | OK I managed to <<< 0 and get to the beginning of one, but I can only seek back in the 2nd, 0 doesn't go back to beginning |
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| [19:47:46] | msphobia: | has anyone here experienced mythfrontend "climbing" the screen? I'm running trunk and whenever I start a recording the window containing myth jumps up maybe 10 pixels, it resets to the proper position if I step through the appearance setup without changing anything |
| [19:49:25] | UniHome: | thanks for the ideas guys, I have to go offline to move some cable around. I'll keep digging on how to clear the bookmarks |
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| [19:50:58] | stuarta: | msphobia: that's a good one, not heard of that before |
| [19:55:04] | Dagmar: | msphobia: Did you ever happen to try setting things up to use a different video mode for playback? |
| [19:55:44] | Dagmar: | Like, unless you do that, Myth doesn't normally try to change video modes at all |
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| [20:00:10] | jeeves__: | can anyone help me setup my mythtv backend that's on a headless system? |
| [20:00:56] | fryfrog: | sure, what is your address? |
| [20:01:02] | fryfrog: | i can fly on over :) |
| [20:01:10] | laga: | 50€/hour ;) |
| [20:01:20] | jeeves__: | fryfrog, yea, I'll get right on that one. LOL |
| [20:01:31] | fryfrog: | what the heck is an a with a thingy over it followed by a line with a bend at the end? :p |
| [20:01:36] | jeeves__: | laga, I'll come pick you up in my Jag |
| [20:01:40] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [20:01:46] | laga: | fryfrog: in unicode land, it's an euro sign |
| [20:01:54] | fryfrog: | ohhhz |
| [20:02:03] | laga: | like, outlandish currency. used by communits and dragons |
| [20:02:10] | laga: | err, communists* |
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| [20:02:23] | fryfrog: | i like dragons :/ |
| [20:02:28] | fryfrog: | i guess i'm a commie |
| [20:02:57] | jeeves__: | fryfrog, anyways.... I have a headless system with 2 twinhan 1020a cards in it, and I'd like to get it set up. I'm not sure how to do it, or how to get the cards configured. |
| [20:03:17] | fryfrog: | jeeves__: i'd probably install x11vnc and just use vnc over the network |
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| [20:03:30] | fryfrog: | you have to run "mythtv-setup" which is a gui program to setup the backend |
| [20:03:32] | jeeves__: | fryfrog, the headlaess sytem is shell only though |
| [20:03:39] | laga: | i'd probably use ssh -X |
| [20:03:51] | stuarta: | ssh -X definitely |
| [20:03:56] | fryfrog: | jeeves__: that is the point of X forwarding or x11vnc |
| [20:04:32] | fryfrog: | x11vnc has the benefit of only needing a vnc viewer, x forwarding with ssh will require an X setup on your desktop (not hard though) |
| [20:04:40] | fryfrog: | i like teh cygwin |
| [20:05:12] | jeeves__: | fryfrog, well, I'm up for simple |
| [20:05:49] | fryfrog: | x11vnc is a little fun to figure out the command line options of, but the --help is reasonable |
| [20:05:55] | fryfrog: | you'll be installing X of course |
| [20:06:12] | fryfrog: | actually, if you haven't setup X itself at all, x11vnc might be the wrong tool |
| [20:06:14] | jeeves__: | fryfrog, will x11vnc be sinple enough to just VNC into the box to configure it? |
| [20:06:29] | laga: | um |
| [20:06:31] | fryfrog: | x11vnc attaches to an existing X session :/ |
| [20:06:31] | laga: | use vncserver |
| [20:06:45] | fryfrog: | yeah, vncserver would be better if you've not setup X at all |
| [20:06:56] | jeeves__: | laga, ok, how do I do that? |
| [20:07:00] | fryfrog: | or export X over ssh |
| [20:07:11] | fryfrog: | jeeves__: there are *tons* of information on the interwebs, i suggest google. |
| [20:07:16] | laga: | yes |
| [20:07:20] | laga: | or dagmar will kill you |
| [20:07:24] | fryfrog: | ahha |
| [20:09:34] | jeeves__: | thanks guys. I just hope I can figure out how to get the bins loaded for the cards as well |
| [20:10:59] | stuarta: | isn't that what the garbage collector is for? |
| [20:11:12] | stuarta: | </humour> |
| [20:11:49] | laga: | fail |
| [20:11:50] | laga: | ;) |
| [20:12:06] | jeeves__: | yea, he failed @ failing |
| [20:12:46] | stuarta: | it was a *really* crap attempt :) |
| [20:13:26] | jeeves__: | true |
| [20:15:50] | msphobia: | Dagmar: (in regards to the "climbing") In appearance settings I say to use the same settings for video playback, I do notice the window disappear for a moment and reappear though |
| [20:16:42] | Dagmar: | You're using this in a window |
| [20:16:44] | Dagmar: | Blame your window manager |
| [20:17:17] | msphobia: | I don't check the "run in a window", I've tried blackbox, fluxbox, wmii, they all seem to do it |
| [20:17:32] | msphobia: | is there a wm that's more recommended? |
| [20:18:07] | msphobia: | I hate to run a full desktop like kde or gnome for a dedicated mythfrontend xserver, but I could throw them on if they behave better |
| [20:19:07] | msphobia: | did not experience this until my most recent upgrade in trunk |
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| [20:19:24] | msphobia: | (was probably running 2 week old code or so before that) |
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| [20:22:51] | iamlindoro: | Gah, if I ever see/run speaker wire again it'll be too soon |
| [20:23:33] | iamlindoro: | Finally got the downstairs re-wired for sound, though, just in time for most of the season |
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| [20:27:21] | msphobia: | actually, I think I've figured this out, for some reason "Run the frontend in a window" doesn't control whether it is running in a window, instead the checkbox for "Use GUI size for TV playback" does, when I uncheck that, myth returns to be fullscreen like it used to and the climbing goes away |
| [20:27:56] | msphobia: | maybe someone else who is running a trunk frontend can confirm this behavior |
| [20:29:53] | msphobia: | nevermind, seems to be more complicated than that, it's stuck running as a window again |
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| [20:40:50] | mishehu: | blah. fry's had an mce remote, no transmitter included for twice the price of one that does have it on neweg.. |
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| [21:19:18] | Dagmar: | mishehu: Honestly man, you can get a decent remote just about anywhere. Target, WalMart (last resort), Best Buy, Sears |
| [21:20:02] | Dagmar: | Those One4All programmable remotes can be made to behave as if they were just about any brand of remote, which makes pickng an LIRC decoding profile just a matter of picking one you have a personal fondness for, with lots of room for change |
| [21:20:32] | tjcarter: | has anybody else found tv.com basically doesn't work for like weeks now? |
| [21:21:16] | tjcarter: | the search is just hosed |
| [21:23:00] | Dagmar: | Yeah, their site has always been a little hit-or-miss |
| [21:23:04] | Dagmar: | Today more miss than hit. |
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| [21:24:10] | tjcarter: | they redid it a couple weeks ago |
| [21:24:17] | tjcarter: | it's been miss after miss since then |
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| [21:56:40] | csl: | I have a P4 3.0 Ghz system, 1Gb Ram, and a GF4 mx420. I'm having trouble with terribly choppy video live and playback. I have installed and believe it is using the nvidia driver |
| [21:57:27] | csl: | If I look at top, the frontend uses anywhere from 20–50% of the cpu for choppy live tv |
| [21:58:01] | csl: | There's only about 13MB of free memory though, and it's using ~30 MB of swap |
| [21:58:57] | csl: | The audio is perfect |
| [21:59:04] | mchou: | dont watch livetv |
| [21:59:32] | mchou: | myth is not meant for livetv really |
| [21:59:36] | directhex: | you're using "nvidia" not "nv"? |
| [21:59:42] | csl: | it happens with recorded data too... |
| [21:59:58] | mchou: | csl: then something else is going on :) |
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| [22:00:13] | csl: | yes, in my xorg.conf it is listed as nvidia and I see the black screen with the green nvidia logo when I boot up |
| [22:00:53] | mchou: | csl: paste output of 'glxinfo' in pastebin |
| [22:03:21] | csl: | http://pastebin.com/d619ed5e6 |
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| [22:04:19] | mchou: | csl: well, looks like nvidia is operating properly |
| [22:04:42] | csl: | that's a start I guess :) |
| [22:04:58] | mchou: | csl: what content are your trying to playback? Is the source SD or HD? |
| [22:05:52] | csl: | I ran the frontend with the verbose "important" option, I didn't see any errors except 10 "prebuffer" errors right at the very beginning |
| [22:05:56] | csl: | It's HD |
| [22:06:13] | mchou: | what rez HD? |
| [22:07:07] | csl: | I'm trying to grab/watch OTA ATSC. I have tried resolutions as low as 800x600 |
| [22:08:38] | mchou: | OTA atsc rarely comes in at 800x600 |
| [22:08:50] | mchou: | so that must be incorrect |
| [22:09:04] | csl: | That's the resolution I tried setting in ubuntu |
| [22:09:20] | csl: | I'm not sure the resolution that the actual signal comes in at |
| [22:09:25] | mchou: | dude, I'm talking the rez of the mpg |
| [22:09:38] | mchou: | not what your display is set at |
| [22:10:13] | csl: | hmm, I'll have to look how to find that out.. |
| [22:10:20] | directhex: | DMA? |
| [22:10:59] | csl: | My Hard drive is showing as /dev/sda, which from what I have read automatically has DMA enabled |
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| [22:12:08] | mchou: | csl: mplayer -identify |
| [22:12:27] | mchou: | csl: that will tell you rez of file |
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| [22:14:42] | mchou: | csl: you may also need to add appropriate -tsprog switch for mplayer |
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| [22:16:54] | csl: | (I'm trying to find where the recordings get put, I'm still here) |
| [22:17:35] | csl: | found it |
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| [22:18:59] | mchou: | csl: what device you use for capture? |
| [22:19:47] | csl: | looks like it is 1920x1080 |
| [22:20:03] | csl: | It's a pinnacle pctv hd |
| [22:20:10] | Seb__: | Anyone using the hdpvr? :) |
| [22:20:15] | mchou: | csl: your system may be borderline for that rez |
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| [22:20:33] | mchou: | csl: you get the hardware from woot? |
| [22:21:30] | mchou: | csl: capture something lower res like 480i or even 720p |
| [22:21:32] | csl: | sure did |
| [22:21:43] | mchou: | csl: haha, did it just arrive? |
| [22:21:49] | csl: | this morning |
| [22:21:52] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:21:56] | mchou: | csl: nice |
| [22:22:27] | mchou: | csl: where you live? mine isnt due to arrive until this coming Friday |
| [22:22:29] | csl: | Recordings play a lot better in VLC |
| [22:22:36] | csl: | east coast |
| [22:22:42] | mchou: | damn |
| [22:22:49] | mchou: | life aint fair |
| [22:23:04] | mchou: | mine is still stuck in Denver |
| [22:23:37] | mchou: | csl: you probably need more juice for your box |
| [22:23:59] | mchou: | csl: is VLC at all skippy for playback? |
| [22:24:36] | csl: | mplayer looked great until I started getting "Too many video packes in the Buffer" messages |
| [22:25:38] | mchou: | csl: I'd recommend you turn on xvmc |
| [22:25:58] | mchou: | csl: that may improve things somewhat |
| [22:26:00] | csl: | VLC is much better than mythplayer, but it's just a bit choppy |
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| [22:26:15] | mchou: | you need xvmc |
| [22:26:28] | csl: | Let me find how to turn it on |
| [22:27:15] | csl: | would you recommend Envy? |
| [22:27:23] | mchou: | Envy?? |
| [22:27:29] | mchou: | what is that? |
| [22:27:31] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:28:08] | csl: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/XvMC#In_Ubuntu The Envy project provides binary packages for Ubuntu and Debian to quickly install and configure nvidia drivers and XvMC support. It also will install the binary ATI drivers which do not, however, support XvMC. |
| [22:28:17] | mchou: | bah |
| [22:28:27] | mchou: | that's way too complicated |
| [22:28:50] | mchou: | read the myth docs to find out how to enable xvmc on your system |
| [22:28:57] | mchou: | end of story |
| [22:29:19] | mchou: | you already have drivers installed |
| [22:29:22] | csl: | ok |
| [22:29:31] | mchou: | no need to mess with that BS |
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| [22:30:20] | Seb__: | Anyone know approximately when mythtv 0.22 will be out? Seems like the hd-pvr support is for that release |
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| [22:32:37] | csl: | I XvMC is already installed... |
| [22:33:01] | csl: | If I look in my Xorg.0.log It shows Loading Extension XVideo-MotionCompensation |
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| [22:33:18] | mchou: | csl: mplayer -vo xvmc -vc ffmpeg12mc filename |
| [22:34:09] | csl: | might not be enabled in xorg.conf though |
| [22:34:54] | mchou: | csl: I dont think its supposed to be in xorg.conf |
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| [22:35:51] | mchou: | csl: just try the mplayer command I gave you first |
| [22:36:23] | mchou: | see if that still gives you hiccups |
| [22:36:47] | janneg: | Seb__: laga said he will update the mythbuntu trunk builds tomorrow |
| [22:37:29] | csl: | failed with some errors |
| [22:37:39] | csl: | XvMCCreateContext failed with error 2 |
| [22:37:39] | mchou: | fix it |
| [22:37:53] | csl: | Cannot initialize video driver |
| [22:38:02] | csl: | <- fires up google again |
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| [22:41:12] | mchou: | oh, wait a sec |
| [22:41:46] | mchou: | csl: does your vid card even support xvmc? |
| [22:42:44] | csl: | yes |
| [22:42:49] | csl: | looks like it |
| [22:42:51] | mchou: | http://www.penlug.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Lin . . . 200?rev=1.48 |
| [22:42:55] | mchou: | read that |
| [22:43:00] | mchou: | could be your issue |
| [22:43:31] | mchou: | search "XvMCCreateContext failed with error 2" on that page |
| [22:44:09] | mchou: | the rest of page also has good info |
| [22:45:05] | csl: | that plays perfect! |
| [22:45:29] | mchou: | well, like I said, your box has marginal juice |
| [22:45:51] | mchou: | csl: make sure xvmc is enabled in myth |
| [22:46:06] | mchou: | csl: good luck |
| [22:46:17] | csl: | Thanks for all of your help! |
| [22:46:25] | csl: | much appreciated |
| [22:46:48] | mchou: | csl: send over your pinnacle card as a token of appreciation :) |
| [22:47:17] | mchou: | I need one now :) |
| [22:48:29] | csl: | not after I just got it working... a few minutes ago you might have talked me into it |
| [22:48:38] | csl: | just need to figure out how to get that enabled in myth now |
| [22:48:42] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:48:56] | mchou: | csl: that's not showing your appreciation! |
| [22:49:03] | mchou: | ingrate! |
| [22:57:44] | csl: | I cannot find the playback profiles settings for the life of me! |
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| [23:00:44] | csl: | wow, didn't realize that myth used mplayer. Found an option to put in the xvmc parameter and it worked perfectly |
| [23:05:15] | cesman: | mythtv _doesn't_ use mplayer |
| [23:05:34] | cesman: | if _you_ want MythTV to launch mplayer to play videos, it will do so |
| [23:06:59] | mchou: | csl: myth doesnt use mplayer at all |
| [23:07:40] | mchou: | csl: I only suggested mplayer so you could do some basic troubleshooting with your system |
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| [23:26:11] | sentinel23: | join #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [23:26:15] | sentinel23: | oops sorrt |
| [23:26:51] | janneg: | is anyone here affected by the problem in #5749 (stuttering with 60p content)? |
| [23:28:10] | Seb__: | yep |
| [23:30:22] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I'd offer to test the patch but I'm not aware of any broadcaster here that does 60 fps on progressive channels |
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| [23:32:06] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I have two samples but I can't reproduce the original problem as long as I have "extra audio decoding" enabled |
| [23:32:32] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I have unpatched versions here, let me test first with that and see if I can repro, then I will patch and see if it's solved |
| [23:32:50] | toad_: | when I record something where at the beginning it has no audio stream because the channel isn't started up yet, the whole recording has no audio on playback. this might conceivably be related to transcoding. any ideas? known bug? |
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| [23:33:17] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Erm... but then again, I am running your latest ffmpeg code so it may be an invalid test |
| [23:34:24] | janneg: | iamlindoro: me too, but I couldn't reproduce it with plain trunk either |
| [23:34:41] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Let me see if I can just reproduce, am downloading his samples now |
| [23:36:02] | janneg: | the patch does essentially the same as "decode extra audio" which is badly named since it enables storing of video packets in avformatdecoder |
| [23:37:04] | janneg: | users #5749 said they've played with "decode extra audio" but I don't trust them |
| [23:37:06] | toad_: | also when i use mythweb, mplayer tries to play either the ASX or the NUV, either way it plays them with no sound and at several times normal speed |
| [23:40:57] | toad_: | is there any possible fix for my problem? |
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| [23:41:17] | toad_: | not transcoding is not a realistic solution, it means using many times more disk space |
| [23:41:22] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I'm not able to reproduce it with his "bad.mpg" with either setting |
| [23:41:25] | toad_: | at least 3 times anyway |
| [23:43:05] | toad_: | one other question: can i get rid of my script to force myth to transcode everything? it used to be necessary because myth would forget to transcode almost every recording whenever it crashed (it segfaults a lot, people say it shouldn't, i've replaced almost every piece of hardware so i don't think it's a hardware problem) |
| [23:46:45] | iamlindoro: | janneg, The worst I am able to get it to do is a few "NVP: Video is 3.00755 frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up." |
| [23:47:05] | iamlindoro: | which, with -v playback AFAIK are totally normal-- no visible slowdown at all as far as I can tell |
| [23:48:41] | iamlindoro: | His system is even faster than this one, too (E4500 vs E7200), so I don't know what his issue is |
| [23:50:11] | justinh: | using nv drivers still? :-O |
| [23:50:25] | justinh: | I know, that was below the belt |
| [23:50:43] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:51:03] | janneg: | iamlindoro: no, "NVP: Video is ? frames behind audio (too slow), dropping frame to catch up." is not normal |
| [23:51:30] | iamlindoro: | janneg, hrm, only got a couple as it first started the stream, didn't see any visible evidence of it |
| [23:51:39] | iamlindoro: | played perfect AFAICT |
| [23:53:06] | janneg: | doesn't matter much if it is only in the beginning but it's still strange since the audio is delayed in the stream |
| [23:55:00] | justinh: | I had serious problems with that on my epia frontend. I got as much info out of it as I could & stuarta said it looked like a buffering issue |
| [23:56:13] | justinh: | couldn't prove anything though, not without debugging it properly & no way was any compilation going to happen on a 1Ghz Via CPU. Now I'm of the mind I should've held onto it longer to properly nail the problem – rather than just dump it on ebay |
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| [23:57:23] | iamlindoro: | perish that thought |
| [23:57:31] | iamlindoro: | Booo VIA |
| [23:58:04] | Dagmar: | VIA likes to emulate processor registers and flags, which could explain why some things would be painfully slow |
| [23:58:36] | justinh: | well, previous versions of driver/myth/whatever were fine so I figured it was software related somehow |
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| [23:58:58] | justinh: | even if nobody notices a it of an efficiency slip it'd still be best for everybody to nail it |
| [23:59:06] | justinh: | s/it/bit |
| [23:59:28] | toad_: | anyone help me? |
| [23:59:39] | toad_: | I think I've found a bug :| |
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