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Thursday, October 2nd, 2008, 00:09 UTC

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Wicked:

hmm i set up two channel sources in myth-set up..one for HD and one for SD. i went through the HD channel list and removed a bunch of channels....but now there all back....did i miss a step? or do you just remove the channels from the channel list and thats it?

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wagnerrp:

you know, i think ill pick up a mce remote for solely that reason

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wagnerrp:

i could probably stand to shove the box behind the tv, rather than beside it

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wagnerrp:

i would have to see if i could get WOL working on a machine in standby

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mzb_d800:

Wicked: run mythfilldatabase with '--update"

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Wicked:

well...the channels appeared back in the channel editor window.

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Wicked:

so now i have to *re* delete the channels.

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fryfrog:

Wicked: you have to remove them from the db *and* data-direct

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fryfrog:

and then update

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Wicked:

oh. well i just went on schedule direct and it will only allow me to have one instance of "Comcast digital cable"

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Wicked:

how am i supposed to set that up?

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Dagmar:

You set up *two* lineups over in SchedulesDirect for one thing.

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Dagmar:

You're allowed to do that.

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Dagmar:

You delete the channels you don't want to see listings for over in SchedulesDirect.

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Wicked:

hmm..mines not letting me.

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Dagmar:

Well, we can't click the mouse for you.

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Wicked:

i have one digital cable for my area..and when i goto add a 2nd digital cable for my area its grayed out

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Dagmar:

You don't have two separate digital lineups.

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kormoc:

sadly the work around is picking a different zipcode that is close enough to you to have the same channels

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Dagmar:

I know damn well you are not paying comcast twice the money.

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: he wants to pick up the channels he can over firewire

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wagnerrp:

and then receive the rest over svideo and an analog capture card

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wagnerrp:

using the same STB for both

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Wicked:

Dagmar, yea. i have firewire+svideo...firewire only gets some channels....

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You're saying that's the only way it can be done?

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Dagmar:

I would have thought input groups would be the solution, but I guess that's trunk only?

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Wicked:

theres one more comcast digital cable around..and iirc it has different channel line up :(

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Dagmar:

I'd try the zipcode next door.

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Dagmar:

That might well do it

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wagnerrp:

the idea is that they have different lineups, so that it doesnt try to record encrypted channels over the firewire

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Wicked:

even using the zipcode to a town next to me...the comcast digital for my county is grayed out :(

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wagnerrp:

it probably wont let you have two lineups with the same name

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Wicked:

thats what i thought...but i dont see where i can change the name

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wagnerrp:

can mythtv handle two sources coming off the same SD lineup?

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Dagmar:

Looks like we'll have to think up something different to try then

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fryfrog:

yeah?

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fryfrog:

but all i've ever done is two *different* sources (one OTA, one cable)

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: not the same thing

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Wicked:

well currently i set up 2 channel listings in mythtv-setup..ones is cable1 the other is cable2....then i told the firewire to to cable1 and the pvr-150 to use cable2

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fryfrog:

yeah, thats what i was pointing out

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Wicked:

i then edited the two channel line ups accordingly(removed channels) then closed the setup

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fryfrog:

Wicked: what you need is two lineups from SD pointing to two lineups in myth

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Wicked:

now today i see all the removed channels are back

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fryfrog:

otherwise mythfilldatabase is just going to re-add them

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Wicked:

oh ok. so it is mythfilldb that is readding them

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: what hes saying is that he cannot get two separate 'Comcast Digital Cable' linues from SD

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fryfrog:

yeah

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Wicked:

yea

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wagnerrp:

SD is not set up to allow that

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: yeah, i get it. i was merely pointing out that i hadn't tried that specific case.

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Wicked:

it should be.

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fryfrog:

i concur :)

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Wicked:

you should be able to add 2 of the same lineups..but give each one a name of your choise

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wagnerrp:

thats why you pay your $20/yr... so you can contact them and request features

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fryfrog:

you *might* be able to work around it by adding an option to mythfilldatabase

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Wicked:

*choice

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fryfrog:

i think it is like --dont-update-channels

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Wicked:

is there a easy way to check the differences in the channel line ups?

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, they may willing to set you up with a second account and login, limited to a single lineup

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fryfrog:

the problem with that is that when your lineup (and comast) make changes, you'll be screwed :/

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Wicked:

like copy paste then run diff on them?...but im not sure if diff would work

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Wicked:

wagnerrp, hmm maby ill try to email them

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wagnerrp:

seems theyre going to start offering video cards with a Cell-derivative coprocessor

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wagnerrp:

complete with video decoding and acceleration

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wagnerrp:

one more device without linux support?

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Wicked:

lol

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: wait, like a full gpu with a bonus cell processor on it?

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fryfrog:

or a video card with *only* a cell cpu?

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wagnerrp:

cell derivative

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wagnerrp:

the 'spursengine' is just four bare SPEs

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt say if it is along side a normal video card

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wagnerrp:

or is its own video card

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fryfrog:

ah

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wagnerrp:

its expected to provide high end video capabilities to low end pcs.... while priced at ~$300

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wagnerrp:

i think they may have missed their target

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fryfrog:

bwhahahahhaha

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fryfrog:

that is maybe the dumbest thing i've read :p

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fryfrog:

they are *really* shooting for the long tail of the market.

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Wicked:

i cant wait to hear back from comcast on this....see what they say.

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fryfrog:

not only is it for people with low end systems, it is for people with low end systems that want good video performance *and* have $300 to drop on a video card :p

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Wicked:

becuase it goes in and out. didnt work from 7:54pm lastnight too 11:30pm lastnight...then stoped working at like 3am.......then worked earlier today for a while...now it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

it would appear this is in fact not a video card

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wagnerrp:

but merely an add-on card

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wagnerrp:

the article was misleading/misinformed

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wagnerrp:

you feed it the compressed video, it decompresses, and streams back over the PCIe x1 port

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wagnerrp:

some 50GFlop (single precision) and 128MB of memory at 13GB/s

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wagnerrp:

it basically amounts to the same purpose as FPGA cards

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: neat

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fryfrog:

so it is like 1997's mpeg2 hardware decoder cards, sort of.

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fryfrog:

except w/o the video overlay and passthrough

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wagnerrp:

no, its more like the FPGA cards

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wagnerrp:

data in, data out, completely software controlled rather than a hardwired decoder

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fryfrog:

i'm not familiar with that?

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fryfrog:

FPGA cards, that is

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fryfrog:

are they just like a super duper math co-processor from the days of yor?

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wagnerrp:

whatever task you want to throw at it, heres 50GFlops

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i assume it was task/program specific?

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wagnerrp:

FPGAs are super duper co-processors from the days of current

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fryfrog:

like, your linuxes can't just use it when it is doing something like that?

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: i meant the "math co-processor" was from days of yor :)

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wagnerrp:

fpga is field programmable gate array

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wagnerrp:

basically, one chip can be hardwired for any task

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fryfrog:

ah, neat

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wagnerrp:

and when youre done with that task, you spend a few seconds, flash a new gate image, and now its hardwired for a new task

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wagnerrp:

its absurdly fast, but a bitch and a half to program for

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wagnerrp:

since youre not writing code, youre writing gate logic

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wagnerrp:

anyway, assuming there are linux drivers for this thing, it just boils down to people writing code for it

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fryfrog:

what kind of tasks benefit from that kind of horsepower?

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fryfrog:

science, rendering?

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wagnerrp:

anything that requires large amounts of relatively parallel floating point operations

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wagnerrp:

any sort of science simulation would benefit greatly from such a device, after the code is completely rewritten to support it

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wagnerrp:

video encoding/decoding/rendering, audio processing, all sorts of things that would benefit

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wagnerrp:

running word... no benefit

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fryfrog:

neat

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wagnerrp:

im a bit disappointed by the interface

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wagnerrp:

x1 is sufficient to decode 1080p in realtime

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wagnerrp:

but 250MB/s is really insufficient bandwidth to feed that amount of power

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wagnerrp:

actually, no its not

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wagnerrp:

that would choke around 45fps, or at a little better than 30fps if youre doing 10-bit color

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Jim__:

question about mythtv

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wagnerrp:

answer about mythtv

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iamlindoro:

Guess you chose the right room then

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Jim__:

what level of video card do i need if i want to build a box that supports HD?

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wagnerrp:

nvidia

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iamlindoro:

nVidia 5200 or better

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wagnerrp:

well any nvidia with proper drivers will support HD

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wagnerrp:

5200 or better gets you xvmc for mpeg2 decode offloading

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Jim__:

ok

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wagnerrp:

not needed if you have sufficient cpu

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Jim__:

i'm trying to take load off the CPU if possible

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iamlindoro:

5200 = lowest level to support the new drivers

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Jim__:

but also minimize price

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wagnerrp:

you cant get legacy drivers anymore?

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iamlindoro:

XvMc is barely any offlaod

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iamlindoro:

like *barely* any

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iamlindoro:

and it's the best you can do, yay linux!

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Jim__:

but the 5200 supports that?

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Jim__:

would there be any point in going up another level?

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wagnerrp:

depends on your intent

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wagnerrp:

6000s were the first series to support PCIe

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Jim__:

it does have to fit a PCIe slot

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wagnerrp:

the 5200s usually dont support 1920x1080 over digital

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Jim__:

but it just needs to be able to record one show at a time and playback

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Jim__:

nothing fancy

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wagnerrp:

can you still buy 5s and 6s new?

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Jim__:

i see, the 5200 would work in a PCI slot... that would be fine too

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Jim__:

yeah, newegg appears to have them

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wagnerrp:

if you have pcie, get a pcie graphics card

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wagnerrp:

dont dick around with pci

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Jim__:

fair 'nuf

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wagnerrp:

wow! they still sell GF2s

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wagnerrp:

and theyre expensive, $30-$70

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iamlindoro:

If you have a system new enough to have PCIe, you don't need the tiny bit of offload that XvMc gets you, btw

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

my 2GHz athlon handles 1080i at sufficiently low load that ive never actually bothered to check cpu usage

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Jim__:

ok. i've got http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130162 with an 2 GHZ AMD Sempron and 1 gig ram

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iamlindoro:

plenty for normal broadcast stuff

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Jim__:

(converting a box i was using for a home server)

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wagnerrp:

except its a sempron

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Jim__:

exactly, as a fileserver i wasn't exactly worried about processor power

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wagnerrp:

AMDs are horribly cheap these days

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wagnerrp:

splurge, spend $50, get a real processor

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wagnerrp:

unless you already have the sempron

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Jim__:

yeah, already have it

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wagnerrp:

ok, you were just listing the previous system

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Jim__:

if i was building it now, it'd be different, but i have to work with what i've got to minimize cost

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Jim__:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

does your TV have a VGA input?

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Jim__:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

go ahead and use that

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Jim__:

straight from the onboard video?

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wagnerrp:

sure, why not

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Jim__:

as long as it supports the HD quality, i'm fine with that

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Jim__:

don't know enough about video cards anymore to know what handles what

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iamlindoro:

It's simple in linux

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iamlindoro:

you get dick for hardware offload

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iamlindoro:

real equal-like

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Jim__:

and the VGA connection (as opposed to DVI or svideo) is good enough quality then?

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wagnerrp:

youre never going to get pixel-accurate display on your TV

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wagnerrp:

even over DVI, youre still going to have scaling

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iamlindoro:

DVI would be better, but with MPEG-2 HD it's really not gonna matter that much

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Jim__:

sounds good. if i decide to be picky, i can always upgrade in the future

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wagnerrp:

only a few higher end TVs allow you to turn off oversampling

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Jim__:

that makes building the box easier

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Jim__:

any recommendations on the tuner card itself?

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wagnerrp:

digital? anything on the supported list at linuxtv.org

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Wicked:

damn...got a email back from scheduledirect......they said there is nothing they can do :(

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Wicked:

but they did say that mythtv supports what i want to do....

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Wicked:

This was solved under zap2it-labs by folks simply using more than one account. Now that accounts aren't free, that solution isn't so good any more. :) Luckily MythTV now allow you to have multiple channel maps from a single lineup managed on the MythTV side.

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wagnerrp:

good to know they respond quickly

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iamlindoro:

model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q9650 @ 3.00GHz

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iamlindoro:

Take that, HD-PVR output

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wagnerrp:

sadly, my $120 E4500 @3GHz does (almost) as well as your $560 Q9650

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how much difference the cache and bus makes

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wagnerrp:

then again... this processor is on my windows desktop, with happy video acceleration and no need for considerable power for HDPVR decoding...:P

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Jim__:

is it better to try to find a tuner card with a remote included, or are there some common remotes that can be made to easily work with mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

the MCE remotes seem to be the recommended ones around here

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wagnerrp:

i have no experience with them though

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Jim__:

ok. i'm looking at a hauppage 1800 that includes an MCE remote

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wagnerrp:

do you want analog capture?

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Jim__:

seems to be a pretty good combination, and says it's supported

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Jim__:

i think just digital is fine

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Jim__:

the only thing i can think we would use analog for is to grab some old things off of VHS

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iamlindoro:

1800's analog will not work in myth

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iamlindoro:

digital is fine in myth, however.

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Jim__:

but digital does?

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iamlindoro:

^^^^

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wagnerrp:

better to pick up the 1250 for half the price

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Jim__:

(seems to say so on linux tv)

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wagnerrp:

its basically the 1800 without the analog mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

mythtv only supports ivtv mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 is... something else

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iamlindoro:

Or, if you want analog plus digital, both working in myth, get a 1600

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wagnerrp:

getting it to work in mythtv probably isnt a whole lot of work

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wagnerrp:

it amounts to creating a new card type, and new control mechanism, the latter of which can be found in other linux code

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wagnerrp:

but no one has gotten the motivation to do so

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iamlindoro:

in fact, re-adding the initial HD-PVR patch that made it work w/ the MPEG-2 encoder card type is likely 99% of the work

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iamlindoro:

I would look at that if I owned an 1800

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wagnerrp:

thats probably the biggest issue, no one willing to code it up has an 1800

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Jim__:

so the 1250 and 1800 are digital only (for the moment) but the 1600 supports both

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 supports both, however is PCI (as opposed to PCIe)

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Jim__:

is that going to make a difference?

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wagnerrp:

and ive recently heard some complaints of the quality of the digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

its going to make a difference in that you need a PCI slot instead of a PCIe slot

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Jim__:

and i have both available, so no problem

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wagnerrp:

you cant just take a dremel and shoehorn a PCI card into a PCIe slot

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wagnerrp:

and people have tried...

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Jim__:

ha

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iamlindoro:

in fairness, the complaints about the digital tuner come from the world's worst source :)

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Jim__:

yeah, i was just thinking that if it made a difference in how well the card worked then it would be worth knowing, as i can choose

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wagnerrp:

its a digital signal, either you get full signal, or you get none

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wagnerrp:

and if you get none, you just need a bigger antenna

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Jim__:

assuming i get one that supports analog, i should be able to play out of a VCR into the card and capture it, right?

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wagnerrp:

you could... to capture old cassette recordings?

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Jim__:

yeah

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Jim__:

mostly personal video

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Jim__:

before the VHS disintegrates

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wagnerrp:

should work just fine for stuff youve recorded yourself

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wagnerrp:

any tapes you have bought probably have macrovision

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Jim__:

yeah, i can always torrent those movies if i want a digital copy

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Jim__:

well, anyway, i'd best be off

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Jim__:

thanks for all your help

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Jim__:

i've got a much better idea of what i'm doing now

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** iamlindoro feels like his life is a never-ending series of RAID rebuilds **

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wagnerrp:

on new drives too...

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iamlindoro:

These Seagate 1TBs seem more finicky than I've ever seen

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iamlindoro:

It seems you can tell which ones will fail quickly as right out of the box they start making a clicking noise when writing data

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wagnerrp:

i think ive only ever had one drive fail in under a year, and that was an 80GB maxtor

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wagnerrp:

no, i also lost my original laptop drive pretty rapidly

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iamlindoro:

It looks like all the ones I've got in there now finally are click-free

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wagnerrp:

of course that was because i had discovered the magic of P2P, and educational OC3s

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iamlindoro:

But I've gone through four out of 17 in the last month or so getting to this point

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wagnerrp:

i also burned out my CD burner pretty rapidly that year

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wagnerrp:

ive found seagates to be the first ones to die when youre undervolting them

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wagnerrp:

like if youve loaded too many drives onto one power line

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wagnerrp:

i used to have problems that when i started up a hot-swap drive, the seagates would momentarily drop offline

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wagnerrp:

although i think some of that may have been a faulty hotswap bay

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iamlindoro:

It this case it's a nice 900W or so power supply, 3 drives per modular power connector

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iamlindoro:

Still quite a number of unused connectors, too

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iamlindoro:

anyway, I suppose if worst came to worst I could move some drives into an external drive bay and power them there

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wagnerrp:

at 900W, i would hope not

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wagnerrp:

at any given time, youre probably pulling about 400–450W on that supply

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I have plenty to spare

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iamlindoro:

Yay, Pushing Daisies back tonight

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wagnerrp:

between my dual core, dual video, 4GB, 3 drive desktop, and my dual core, video plus raid, (previously) 12 drive server, i was idling at 350W and peaking at 500W on my UPS

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wagnerrp:

unless youve got some ridiculously overpowered video card in there, i doubt youre pulling more power than i did

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iamlindoro:

Nope, a nice passively cooled 7350

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iamlindoro:

And yeah, probably comparable powerwise

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** iamlindoro *hates* people on the users list who seem insistent on seeing the HD-PVR called "the 1212" **

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wagnerrp:

i wonder why my raid card has a fan

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wagnerrp:

apparently it only consumes about 5W of power

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squish102:

is this normal to get an error like: ProcessPAT: Program not found in PAT

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squish102:

this is clear QAM, and nothing changed on my side afaik

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it is safely ignored (and fairly easily googled IIRC)

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squish102:

iamlindoro except that tuner card will not tune any stations anymore

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iamlindoro:

Then rescan

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squish102:

so i was wondering if that is the error i need to track down

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iamlindoro:

no, just delete and rescan

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squish102:

or look for something else

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squish102:

ok delete all channels, and rescan, and then add all the xmltvid's back

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iamlindoro:

yes.

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squish102:

and then mythfilldatabase

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squish102:

ok thanks, i wonder how often this happens? does it mean the cable company changed something?

[03:03:58]

wagnerrp:

i had my cableco move a handful of channels last week

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wagnerrp:

had to rescan and reorder before i could get things working again

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squish102:

this was every channel on clear qam

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squish102:

tuner would not lock on to anything

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iamlindoro:

If your cable co recently added or removed channels, then this is the likely outcome

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iamlindoro:

They don't have to be channels you're subscribed to

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iamlindoro:

Or they may have just re-engineered a bit

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wagnerrp:

well after the rescan, i found i got TBS

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squish102:

i wonder if the cable companies will ever stop that

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wagnerrp:

so now i have three tuners to not record that on

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iamlindoro:

No, they will not stop that

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iamlindoro:

they don't do it to irritate you

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squish102:

well it is ;)

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wagnerrp:

they just do it because theyre restructuring things, and its not going to affect anyone they care about

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iamlindoro:

They *do* need to semi-regularly move channels around to make room/change loads across channels

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squish102:

ok so i need to try automate this a little more :(

[03:10:31]

wagnerrp:

anyone that matters (people using their equipment) will automatically get updated to the new lineup

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squish102:

how do they do that?

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wagnerrp:

magic

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iamlindoro:

By sending the lineup via IP to the cable box

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squish102:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

all those boxes are set up for bi-directional communication

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wagnerrp:

they just use those bands to update the table in the STB

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wagnerrp:

trying to grab that signal would be like trying to crack any other encrypted network

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squish102:

so that is why vista media center does not do clear qam

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wagnerrp:

not something worth your time

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iamlindoro:

It doesn't do clear QAM because they don't give a shit about it

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iamlindoro:

and if their buddies the content providers don't give a shit about it, neither does MS

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squish102:

well they could not offer a half baked solution, imagine the support calls

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iamlindoro:

How quaint, you think MS takes free support calls

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squish102:

oh, dont they?

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iamlindoro:

MS charges you *per incident* to make a support call

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squish102:

i dont have a MS product

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squish102:

well one that i would bother calling support for

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plantain_:

Is there anyway to use the tv tuner inside a Windows Vista install to feed into MythTV?

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iamlindoro:

plantain_, no

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wagnerrp:

in the opposite direction, you can feed Vista with MythTV using WMP and UPnP

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plantain_:

Yeah, the opposite direction isn't quite as possible though :/

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wagnerrp:

no tuner card support?

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iamlindoro:

He wants cablecard

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wagnerrp:

could you pump the video over VLC and use the IPTV protocols?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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wagnerrp:

the cablecard tuners require a 'protected video pathway'...?

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iamlindoro:

The only thing that can use CableCard, even on the MS side, is MCE.

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iamlindoro:

yep

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wagnerrp:

oh fun times!

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iamlindoro:

And then you get video files that amount to gigs and gigs of gibberish

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iamlindoro:

which are keyed to the specific cable card, and stop working if it breaks and you swap cable cards

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iamlindoro:

Woo hoo!

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iamlindoro:

Hd-PVRs all around, I say

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t0ny-p40:

someone should setup a bounty to hack cablecards.

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wagnerrp:

that would be fantastic!

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wagnerrp:

except for the minor issue that you cant buy cablecard tuners

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wagnerrp:

and the whole legality thing

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wagnerrp:

cablecard tuners were only ever made available to OEMs

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wagnerrp:

so you could only get them through a pre-built vista system

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t0ny-p40:

thats sucks.

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t0ny-p40:

I hate drm

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wagnerrp:

dont we all

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t0ny-p40:

Are those hd component boxes stable with mythtv yet?

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wagnerrp:

for the most part

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wagnerrp:

but you need a LOT of power to decode

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dustybin:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4252902807834262581

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t0ny-p40:

I dont care about hdtv much. It is compressed too much for me.

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plantain_:

<wagnerrp> no tuner card support? <--- indeed

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plantain_:

<iamlindoro> He wants cablecard <--- I didn't say that at all

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plantain_:

<wagnerrp> could you pump the video over VLC and use the IPTV protocols? <--- got any guides for that? Or know any more about it?

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wagnerrp:

i know nothing, purely speculation

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Wicked:

bah now comcast says it needs another 24 hours

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Wicked:

>:|

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plantain_:

Anyone know how significant the loss is with each extra metre of antenna cable?

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jblack:

plantain_: That's listed as part of the technical specs for the cable itself.

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jblack:

Usually in DB loss per X feet

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drumstyk1:

has anyone here ever heard of a super slow guide in mythtv?

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Wicked:

hmm....im starting to think this may be aissue with my firewire connection.......lastnight it was working at this time.....but right now its not..so i dont think they are enabling and disabling the firewire.....how can i make sure i have my firewire set up right?

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Wicked:

it seems to be flaky

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drumstyk1:

i wish i could help u wicked

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Wicked:

drumstyk1, i have heard of the slow guide....from what i read it was connected to using the bob deinterlacer.....

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Wicked:

i didnt look into it extensively

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drumstyk1:

fantastic, at least that gives me something new to google

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Wicked:

i saw this on i think the mythtv mailing list

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jblack:

Actually, try turning off the Opengl interface first.

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jblack:

The bob interface, iirc, causes myth to crash on play.

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drumstyk1:

can you point me in the direction on how to do that? i am new to mythtv and ubuntu

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drumstyk1:

would that be a checkbox in my backend?

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Wicked:

i think so

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Wicked:

i think its a checkbox in one of the option menus

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drumstyk1:

also, my remote is very snappy when i am changing channels and going through menus. as soon as i open the guide, it now takes about 3 seconds per click

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drumstyk1:

looking now, thanks

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Wicked:

im gonna try unplugging the cable box for a few mins...see if that helps

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drumstyk1:

sigh, google doesn't know how to disable opengl

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RyeBrye:

on what?

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RyeBrye:

on starting myth?

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drumstyk1:

yes

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drumstyk1:

my guide is really slow and someone suggested disabbling opengl

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RyeBrye:

you start up and pass a parameter saying the themepainter=Qt – I don't remember the exact syntax but themepainter should help

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RyeBrye:

oh

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wagnerrp:

opengl is a frontend setting, so you would go into the frontend settings to disable opengl

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RyeBrye:

if your guide is slow, but mythfrontend opens, then open the frontend and adjust the setting under appearance

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wagnerrp:

theres the opengl painter RyeBrye was talking about

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wagnerrp:

then theres also the opengl video renderer in the playback profiles

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RyeBrye:

I was assuming mythtv wouldn't even open, which has happened to me when I had it set for opengl but I was trying to do work on my box over VNC so I didn't have openGL

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RyeBrye:

but if it opens and is just slow – that's an easier problem to fix.

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drumstyk1:

everything works wonderfully until i hit the guide button... then response times change to ~3secs

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drumstyk1:

checking now

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RyeBrye:

how long has your box been running?

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RyeBrye:

could be that you need to optimize your tables

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wagnerrp:

how does your box handle the 'recorded videos' menu?

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drumstyk1:

i just installed about an hour ago

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drumstyk1:

and i apologize but i don't know what updating tables means

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RyeBrye:

ok

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RyeBrye:

do you have mythweb running?

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RyeBrye:

the web interface for it?

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drumstyk1:

i don't believe so... i have not installed additional plugins

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RyeBrye:

ok

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RyeBrye:

could be the appearance options

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RyeBrye:

there are a lot of settings there that you can tweak

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RyeBrye:

what kind of box is it?

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RyeBrye:

i.e processor, video card, etc?

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drumstyk1:

i found a thread that described my problem exactly and their solution was to move the icons to the local machine... im guessing that doesn't apply here as i only have 1 box

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wagnerrp:

not so much

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RyeBrye:

yeah, and I'm guessing you don't even have the channel icons loaded yet, do you?

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drumstyk1:

q6600 quad core 2.4ghz

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drumstyk1:

evga 8800gt

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drumstyk1:

4gb ram

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drumstyk1:

i actually do

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RyeBrye:

ok, there's no reason whatsoever that box should be slow

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wagnerrp:

hell, ive been running myth for 3 years and still dont have the icons loaded

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wagnerrp:

that machine is also a bit overkill

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I loaded them once

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drumstyk1:

well it is my main pc

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RyeBrye:

gotcha

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RyeBrye:

Do yo have the nvidia binary drivers loaded?

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wagnerrp:

an 8800gt is no better than a 6200 as far as video playback is concerned

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

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drumstyk1:

icons would be nice but if disabling/deleting them might solve the lag i would try it

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drumstyk1:

um, first i used the ubuntu supplied ones and then someone helped me load the nvidia supplied ones

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RyeBrye:

Do you have the nvidia binary drivers loaded? If so – the OpenGL would definitely be capable of displaying the icons

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RyeBrye:

ok

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RyeBrye:

when you boot, do you see the big Nvidia logo come up before your login screen?

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drumstyk1:

does that answer it? i am not sure which nvidia ones i did

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RyeBrye:

I'm just wondering if the nvidia drivers are actually loaded

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drumstyk1:

i don't think so

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RyeBrye:

do you have a terminal handy?

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drumstyk1:

yessir

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RyeBrye:

lsmod | grep nvid

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wagnerrp:

dmesg | grep NVIDIA

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RyeBrye:

type that

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wagnerrp:

or that

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RyeBrye:

or both of them :)

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drumstyk1:

nvidia 7106084 60

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drumstyk1:

agpgart 34760 1 nvidia

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drumstyk1:

i2c_core 24832 16 cx88xx,bttv,lirc_i2c,wm8775,cx25840,nvidia,tuner,tea5767,tda8290,tuner_simple,mt 20xx,tea5761,ivtv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_nforce2

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drumstyk1:

[ 36.818835] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.

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drumstyk1:

[ 37.258800] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 173.14.12 Thu Jul 17 18:11:36 PDT 2008

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RyeBrye:

ok, so it is loading it

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wagnerrp:

looks good to me

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RyeBrye:

perhaps they told it to disable the showing of the logo in the default ubuntu setup

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wagnerrp:

or bad rather

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wagnerrp:

it would seem i could stand to update my nvidia drivers

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I'm running 173.14.12 on mine and the output is the same

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wagnerrp:

im listing .9

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drumstyk1:

it added the "nvidia x server settings" when i messed with the drivers

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wagnerrp:

not that would really make any difference

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drumstyk1:

but when i go to "hardware drivers" the enabled box is unchecked

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RyeBrye:

Oh?

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RyeBrye:

weird

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drumstyk1:

i figured that was just the old ubuntu supplied drivers

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wagnerrp:

is the terminal you have open on the local X-server?

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RyeBrye:

cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver

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RyeBrye:

does it say Driver "nvidia" ?

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RyeBrye:

or does it say "nouveau" or "nv" or something?

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drumstyk1:

Driver "mouse"

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drumstyk1:

Driver "kbd"

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drumstyk1:

Driver "nvidia"

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drumstyk1:

Driver "nvidia"

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wagnerrp:

run 'xdpyinfo | less'

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wagnerrp:

starting about 20 lines down, you should see a whole slew of enabled extensions

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drumstyk1:

mythtv is installed soley on this one pc... does that mean yes wagner?

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wagnerrp:

if everything is working right, you should have 'NV-CONTROL','NV-GLX','XVideo',and 'XVideo-MotionCompensation'

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wagnerrp:

if thats there, video drivers are not an issue

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drumstyk1:

there is no motioncompensation

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drumstyk1:

all the others are there

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wagnerrp:

thats odd, but not a big problem

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wagnerrp:

youve got plenty of power to decode mpeg2 on CPU

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drumstyk1:

there aere a bunch of other too though

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wagnerrp:

should be a bunch, i have 34

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drumstyk1:

ok good

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RyeBrye:

you probably have to install xvmc or something

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RyeBrye:

well – not have to

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wagnerrp:

but that means the nvidia drivers are loaded, and functional in the current x-server

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RyeBrye:

but to enable the motioncompensation I think it might need xvmc – but your computer has plenty of balls to not need XvMC

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drumstyk1:

is xvmc short for something?

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RyeBrye:

Xvideo Motion Compensation I think

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drumstyk1:

oh i see

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wagnerrp:

go figure

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drumstyk1:

sorry i thought it was a shortened ubuntu term that i didn't know

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wagnerrp:

just joking

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RyeBrye:

you don't want xvmc anwyway, it has other issues

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wagnerrp:

anyway, aside from that, your machine should have plenty of balls to run whatever you want opengl

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RyeBrye:

do you have glxgears?

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drumstyk1:

well is there any way to disable these icons?

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drumstyk1:

no clue

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RyeBrye:

you should

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RyeBrye:

in a terminal type "glxgears"

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wagnerrp:

it could be possible that your user was not given video permission, so you dont have access to opengl under your username

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RyeBrye:

let it run for a few secs and let me know how many fps

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RyeBrye:

I've got around 5k on my setup

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wagnerrp:

it would revert to using mesa libraries (very slow)

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RyeBrye:

and that is with mythv running and doing video crap in the background

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drumstyk1:

~3500 avg but i have 15 windows open

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but I'm pretty sure that's accelerated

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drumstyk1:

and yes, mythtv is running too

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drumstyk1:

is that good or bad?

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RyeBrye:

that's good – although it doesn't explain why your guide is slow

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wagnerrp:

thats probably bad

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wagnerrp:

i get 1000 running on unaccelerated cygwin

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RyeBrye:

hm

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wagnerrp:

hardware should get MUCH more than that

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drumstyk1:

should i close all my stuff down and try again?

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wagnerrp:

you didnt resize it did you?

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RyeBrye:

I just turned off compiz and now I'm getting 5600 fps

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wagnerrp:

my 6200 gets 2500fps hardware

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RyeBrye:

now I'm up to 5700

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drumstyk1:

uh oh, mythtv is fullscreen and unresponsive

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wagnerrp:

your 8800gt should manage FAR more than that

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drumstyk1:

is there a command to nuke it?

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RyeBrye:

I've got a 9500gt I think

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RyeBrye:

yes, pkill mythfrontend

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drumstyk1:

haha sweet

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wagnerrp:

more specifically, is the motion smooth?

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wagnerrp:

mesa will be jerky, hardware will be smooth rotation

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wagnerrp:

regardless of the framerate it reports

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drumstyk1:

looks smooth to me

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RyeBrye:

do you have wobbly windows turned on?

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drumstyk1:

ok, with junk all cosed i am getting ~5800 fps

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drumstyk1:

yeah

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RyeBrye:

Ok, that's good

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wagnerrp:

that sounds more reasonable

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RyeBrye:

That's what I'm getting and I think our cards are comparable. I've got a 9500gt

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drumstyk1:

i got a lot of eye candy enabled but nothing actually going on atm

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** RyeBrye just realized he already said that **

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drumstyk1:

good

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RyeBrye:

if in appearance you turn off the visual effects, you'll probably get more fps on glxgears

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RyeBrye:

you can turn it back on later

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RyeBrye:

but even if it isn't doing anything it is sucking some gpu power away

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wagnerrp:

your cards are in no way comparable

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RyeBrye:

well, yeah

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RyeBrye:

his has more piplines :)

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wagnerrp:

the 9 series and the 8800gt's were all G92 architecture

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wagnerrp:

same generation

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drumstyk1:

oooo 7700–7800fps now

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RyeBrye:

Wow

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wagnerrp:

but the 8800gt and gts were the best of the bunch

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RyeBrye:

compiz was screwing your gpu over majorly

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RyeBrye:

try running mythtv without that turned on and see if that makes your thing faster now

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drumstyk1:

lol, but its so pretty

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drumstyk1:

k

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wagnerrp:

.... right... compiz

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wagnerrp:

i remember hearing compiz did not play well with mythtv

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RyeBrye:

you can decide later if you want to turn it on again – but you should see if this cuts down the lag

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RyeBrye:

I've not noticed many problems with it on mine... but then again... I don't have the icons loaded :)

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drumstyk1:

oh geez, its brutally slow... def not any better

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RyeBrye:

weird

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drumstyk1:

it is so zippy when guide isn't up

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drumstyk1:

any idea how to get rid of these cursed icons?

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wagnerrp:

is this the transparent guide over full screen video?

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that would be slow

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wagnerrp:

or full screen guide with thumbnail video?

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drumstyk1:

thumb video

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wagnerrp:

go into the recorded video section

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wagnerrp:

see if it is just as slow

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drumstyk1:

i changed the skin to the black one too if that makes any diff

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wagnerrp:

it has the same thumbnail video

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drumstyk1:

prev recorded has nothing in it yet

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wagnerrp:

hit m, and change the filter

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wagnerrp:

you should have a bunch of livetv recordings by now

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wagnerrp:

i think it might be called playback group

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RyeBrye:

to remove the channel icons temporarily- do this "mv ~/.mythtv/channels/ ~/.mythtv/channels-disabled"

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drumstyk1:

sorry is this in "media library" or "manage recordings"?

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wagnerrp:

former

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RyeBrye:

although I don't know if that will actually work

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RyeBrye:

since the frontend might still be looking for the files

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drumstyk1:

oh gotcha, that one is super fast

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RyeBrye:

Where did the script to grab icons go? I don't see it in contrib anymore...?

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** RyeBrye found it... nm **

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drumstyk1:

hey rye, would it be normal to have no output for the ï»¿mv ~/.mythtv/channels/ ~/.mythtv/channels-disabled command?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you need a -v for it to have any output

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RyeBrye:

it would have had output if there was an error

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drumstyk1:

gotcha

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RyeBrye:

so it is good that there was no output... but yeah, -v would say something more

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drumstyk1:

ok icons are gone but lag is still there :(

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drumstyk1:

should i try another guide skin?

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RyeBrye:

can't hurt

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drumstyk1:

crap

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drumstyk1:

any idea on how to do that bob deinterlacer?

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RyeBrye:

I just installed my channel icons... I didn't know mythtv-setup had the icon thing in it now

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RyeBrye:

my guide isn't slow at all

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RyeBrye:

I'm using the retro theme, fwiw

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RyeBrye:

To change your interlacer, go to the appearance, then tv playback there is a set of playback profiles

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RyeBrye:

you can edit one and change the deinterlacers

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wagnerrp:

ugh... Dr Strangelove is going to be painful to encode

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wagnerrp:

the cropping is not consistent throughout the video

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wagnerrp:

so im going to have edge artifacts

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drumstyk1:

cpu usage is set to "low" should i try another setting?

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wagnerrp:

maybe not... the digital transfer produced pretty soft edges

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drumstyk1:

should "opengl vertical sync for timing" be enable? it is not currently

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if x264 has a black-and-white mode

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drumstyk1:

hey rye, did i lose you?

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drumstyk1:

i just wanted to make sure and say thank you for all the help before you and wagner disappeared

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im setting up some batch encodes, and going to bed

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drumstyk1:

thank you so much for helping out, i really really appreciate it

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wagnerrp:

sorry you didnt actually get anywhere

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wagnerrp:

anyway, playback profiles, you should probably using the most intensive one there (considering your hardware)

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wagnerrp:

im assuming thats CPU++

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RyeBrye:

yes, set CPU playback to CPU++

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drumstyk1:

oooo i found something but i don't know what it means

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drumstyk1:

turning on Compositing in the Window Manager Tweaks control panel did the trick << what's that?

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wagnerrp:

turning on or off?

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drumstyk1:

that is a copy and paste from a forum... i assume on

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wagnerrp:

compositing is basic opengl acceleration of the desktop

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wagnerrp:

its the basis for compiz

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drumstyk1:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/229949

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drumstyk1:

this describes my problem exactly

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RyeBrye:

weird

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RyeBrye:

I've never done a lot of transcoding because my old backend was a p4 – but on my new box with balls, I figure I might as well transcode some of my recordings to h264 or something and trim commercials – but there doesn't seem to be much on the wiki about setting up those kind of user jobs

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RyeBrye:

or maybe I'm not looking for the right thing?

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wagnerrp:

i do all my encoding in windows, so ive never bothered with the mythtv trancoding tools

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wagnerrp:

but there should be plenty of information on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

theres actually a handful of different scripts built for transcoding

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drumstyk1:

would it be bad to turn off interlacing?

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drumstyk1:

that seems to be a common solution

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wagnerrp:

this is your desktop? so youre running on a computer monitor?

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drumstyk1:

$ apt-get source mythfrontend

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drumstyk1:

$ cd mythtv-0.21.0+fixes16838

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drumstyk1:

$ patch -p0 < ../guide-deinterlace.patch

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drumstyk1:

$ dpkg-buildpackage

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drumstyk1:

...

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drumstyk1:

$ dpkg -i ../libmyth-0.21–0_0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3_i386.deb

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drumstyk1:

correct

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wagnerrp:

then running a deinterlacer would be ideal

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wagnerrp:

regardless, the interlacer is not your problem, even if it may be a solution

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wagnerrp:

you have sufficient power to run just about whatever you want, short of possibly HDPVR output

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drumstyk1:

changing my cpu from C++ down to slim made it tons better

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drumstyk1:

but its still not great... usable at least

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt have, unless mythtv is conflicting with other running programs

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wagnerrp:

mythtv really wants to be the only thing running on the x-server

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drumstyk1:

just myth, firefox, and pidgin right now

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wagnerrp:

it was not designed to have all the fancy WM shit hooked onto it

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wagnerrp:

i half expect that if you scrap all your applications, manually start X in icewm, or something more minimal, and run mythtv, it will run fine

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drumstyk1:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

mythtv runs fine under gnome, but since im starved for power as it is, i have all the graphical stuff turned off already

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wagnerrp:

(on my laptop)

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[Solars]:

takes for ever to compile on windblows

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Wicked:

anyone here use mythnuv2mkv?

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Wicked:

ive got it setup but it will *not* work for me

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Wicked:

and there is not much info on google about it

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Wicked:

..at least no solution

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Wicked:

i see this in the mythbackend log: http://pastebin.com/m4053e148

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t0ny-p40:

I'm trying to watch hulu on my mythtv box nothing is running but the backend and it is idle. Is the linux version of flash really slow?

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t0ny-p40:

My box is about 2.1GHz so I'm thinking it should be able to handle flash video.

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** cesman has seen no performance issues w/ flash on Linux **

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Huijari:

i've had both performance and stability issues

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directhex:

stability sucks mostly of nspluginwrapper

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directhex:

flash 10 is worth upgrading to, too

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Dibblah:

t0ny-p40: If you're using Mythbrowser, I'm pretty sure it doesn't do flash.

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directhex:

Dibblah, it's an embedded konq instance though, right? wouldn't that just use konq's plugins dir?

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Dibblah:

Trunk? No, it's not.

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Dibblah:

mythbrowser uses khtml, so close...

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Dibblah:

If on -fixes or older: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=715604

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Wicked:

hmm interesting...so ive been in touch with comcast about them and the firewire...so tonight i followed up on it......said they couldnt say untill tomorrow....then at like 2:15 tonight...there was a scheduled update....when i go into the diagnostics menu now...it no longer says unavailible under the 1394 part. and under the copy protection screen...it says off and off for 1394

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Wicked:

*but*

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Wicked:

i get this: http://pastebin.com/m383cfcba ..the success ones are from when i 1st realized there was a update....but now its stopped again and myth cant tune the channels

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Wicked:

but it still says the 1394 is working on the stb

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thp:

i can schedule recordings with mythweb, have enough free space, and it seems like it's recording to disk, but there are no files created in my data directory, which is writable by the mythtv user/group – how can i check what's the problem?

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tank-man:

have you looked at the log file?

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directhex:

windows monoculture: there are no log files

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thp:

tank-man: yep. the only suspicious thing I found was "Deleting stale pending recording" from tvrec(2)

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thp:

right after the "Started recording:" log entry

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thp:

ok, i'll try something now

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clev:

anykey_: i gave it the ip:port's of the current connection but it isnt streaming any

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anykey_:

clev: start it with vlc -vvv

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clev:

ooo colors

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clev:

Unable to open 'udp://@122.212.153.3:7000'

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clev:

[00000288] ipv4 access debug: resolving 122.212.153.3:7000...

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clev:

[00000288] main access warning: no access2 module matching "udp" could be loaded

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clev:

[00000285] main input error: no suitable access module for `udp://@122.212.153.3:7000'

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anykey_:

hm, compiled with udp support?

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clev:

no idea

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clev:

prepackaged .de

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clev:

b

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clev:

and the source is missing a header so it wont compile yet

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** laga cries **

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laga:

[165775.637157] Out of memory: kill process 6393 (mythbackend) score 22483 or a child

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clev:

laga: i made my own tiny c++ program to restart it

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clev:

even though it could have been done in bash

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oobe:

hi guys im setting up a remote frontend and i setup a nfs share for all my mythvideo content but the metadata does not show up i read on a mailing list you have to make sure the paths arte the same and i did but it still wont show up any ideas

[12:42:29]

clev:

rescan the media from the remote frontend

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oobe:

i did that you mean in setup

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clev:

was that an answer or a question?

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oobe:

i did in utilities / setup / video data if thats what you meant

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oobe:

yeah it was sought of a question

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clev:

check that the directory for the video files is set properly on both frontends

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oobe:

yeah it is the only problem is the metadata

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oobe:

i can view all the files on the frontend fine

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oobe:

does anyone know why mythtrancode is running on my remote frontend and commflag i only want it to run on the backend how do i stop it

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oobe:

woops sorry its not

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oobe:

i ran top on a ssh login and thought it was local

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justinh:

laga: my heart bleeds for people who need to use shady software to view TV they've paid for, but I tend to think it's more a matter for individuals to take up with their service provider. For everybody using shady software for 'legit' purposes I won't be alone in being sure there are dozens who use it to steal services

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justinh:

oops.. the user who contacted me via the wiki was michel not you. buhhhhhh! sorry laga

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justinh:

heh. I totally fail at MS Access

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directhex:

MS Access totally fails MS Access

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iamlindoro__:

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/09/22/atandt-w . . . -on-u-verse/

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iamlindoro__:

HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

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iamlindoro__:

I guess when you already have the worst looking most highly compressed HD in America, getting even worse doesn't matter

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justinh:

muh but it's eye pee teevee

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: This is a true story-- They rolled it out in my area recently and they sent people door to door to try to sell it. I said "no thank you," and the guy asks me why. So I enumerate all the reasons that their service sucks, and all he can come up with after that is, "But... it's fiber optic!"

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directhex:

iamlindoro, virgin media are using that one

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directhex:

iamlindoro, it's not even true

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iamlindoro__:

directhex: yeah, I know :)

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justinh:

fibre to the street box maybe, coax to the house

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laga:

justinh: heh... just took a nap and the first thing i see when i wake up is you mumbling about saskia

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: not even... *DSL* to the house

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iamlindoro__:

yucky

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directhex:

string-to-the-house

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justinh:

iamlindoro__: nah, coax. they're rolling out 50Mbit soon

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: I'm speaking of uVerse

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justinh:

stick that up yer DSL

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justinh:

heh

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directhex:

justinh, yay! set-top boxes!

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justinh:

just think though.. if VM trunked their cabling right throughout, they could just update all the coax to fibre one day

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justinh:

no diging required

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iamlindoro__:

justinh: uVerse is fiber to the node, DSL/POTS to the house

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justinh:

HDTV over DSL? ROFLMAO

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iamlindoro__:

yep

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iamlindoro__:

exactly

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directhex:

justdave, bt vision.

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justinh:

directhex: that's only one channel at a time though

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justinh:

no linear channels as such

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justinh:

oh nice. Flumps on doovde for Â£2.99

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wagnerrp:

justinh: depends on the DSL

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wagnerrp:

ADSL2+ is rated at 24mbps

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wagnerrp:

sadly... last i heard, uVerse is a whopping 6mbps

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justinh:

assuming no contention

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wagnerrp:

contention being... multiple people sharing the same bandwidth?

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp: And per that article, they're going to squeeze the HD channels down to 5, with an eye to going lower still

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justinh:

yup

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wagnerrp:

part of the function of DSL is that there is no contention

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wagnerrp:

you get dedicated bandwidth all the way to the DSLAM

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justinh:

depends. contention on UK ADSL is anything up to 50:1

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wagnerrp:

they might have contention on internet traffic, but there shouldnt be any to the provider

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wagnerrp:

unless their internal fiber is horribly under spec'd

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justinh:

it's all great in theory so long as there's enough latent bandwidth for everybody

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justinh:

but 6Mbits/sec doesn't sound like much for HD

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wagnerrp:

i think it all depends on the compressor

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wagnerrp:

i was running x264 down to 4500kbps 1080p24, and (to my eye) it was indistinguishable from the 1080i60 source

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justinh:

maybe two pass encoding on low-motion content

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wagnerrp:

yeah, Big Bang Theory... relatively low motion sitcom

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justinh:

watched E1 of S3 of Heroes last night. poor cheerleader :-S

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wagnerrp:

and it took over 6 hours to reprocess 22 minutes, on a 3GHz C2D

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iamlindoro__:

At least they've shitcanned some of the useless characters

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justinh:

not enough

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iamlindoro__:

I don't understand why Ali Larter remains, though

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justinh:

bliddy high octane though – have a feeling they'll struggle to maintain this for a whole series

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wagnerrp:

i cant believe theyre willing to spend that amount of time encoding, not to mention they probably use single pass hardware encoders

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justinh:

wagnerrp: pre-processing can help encoding too ;)

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wagnerrp:

how did she die last season?

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justinh:

who cares? ;)

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justinh:

oh yeah trapped in a burning whorehouse

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justinh:

warehouse I mean

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wagnerrp:

must have been uneventful... i dont remember it at all

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justinh:

precocious kid's fault, of course :D

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iamlindoro__:

Apparently no matter how many times you kill Ali Larter, she will still be back

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iamlindoro__:

god damn it

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justinh:

omigod – they can't kill Ali !

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iamlindoro__:

Oh yeah, precocious kid seems to be gone (mostly) too, so yay that

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iamlindoro__:

And iPod shick, flying kid, etc.

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iamlindoro__:

chick

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justinh:

flying kid, aka plot device

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iamlindoro__:

I just wanna know when they have the entire X-men universe to rip off, they keep repeating the same five powers

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember the flying kid either, just the two brothers

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justinh:

wagnerrp: cheerleader's boyf

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iamlindoro__:

Like "guy who paints the future"

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iamlindoro__:

or "guy who can take other guys powers"

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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iamlindoro__:

or "guy who flies"

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justinh:

looks like MoJinder dude grew balls too. Bout time

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iamlindoro__:

Too bad he's gonna end up an insect

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justinh:

arghh spoilers..

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iamlindoro__:

naw, prediction

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iamlindoro__:

no spoilers

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koala_man:

is there any way to run arbitrary commands on some keypress in mythvideo? I'd like to view videos shuffled without creating dummy playmetoshuffle.lol files in all the dirs

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wagnerrp:

well... spoilers, hes a few episodes back

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iamlindoro__:

wagnerrp: There have only been two eps

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iamlindoro__:

and that's all from the first

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wagnerrp:

3

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iamlindoro__:

first two were one ep

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justinh:

listed as two eps here

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justinh:

2nd part was shown last night too – still to watch

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iamlindoro__:

ah, well

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wagnerrp:

i guess i should apply for graduation... deadline is tomorrow

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wagnerrp:

ugh.... parts of the exit survey i actually have to write about

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JEDIDIAH_myth:

hullo all

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jduggan:

win 11

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thp:

i'm using dvb-t – right now, i can watch live tv and start recordings from mythfrontend (livetv + pressing r), but i cannot schedule recordings from mythweb. when trying to schedule recordings from mythweb, the .mpg files are never created. any help?

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fishsponge_:

hey people... what's the best way to get my media files over NFS from another non-mythTV server?

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fishsponge_:

autofs? hard NFS mount on bootup? if so, where should it be? should i symlink it to /var/lib/mythtv? should i tell mythtv to look in two places instead of one?

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wagnerrp:

is the other machine always going to be on?

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fishsponge_:

indeed...

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fishsponge_:

otherwise i'm stuffed, of course!

[17:37:02]

wagnerrp:

if the source machine is always on, just use NFS on boot

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fishsponge_:

if the source machine disappears while mythtv is on, obviously it will stop playing etc... but if i try to shut down the mythtv box is it going to get into one of those infinite loops waiting fo the NFS server to come back so it can unmount, or will it forcefully umount?

[17:38:05]

fishsponge_:

i know in the olden days, forcefully umounting an NFS volume just did nothing...

[17:38:18]

wagnerrp:

should just forcefully unmount

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dustybin:

day 3.. the frontend saga continues..

[17:39:23]

wagnerrp:

i need a new copy of True Lies...

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fishsponge_:

cool... and regarding the procedure for mounting over NFS on boot... is /etc/fstab the place to be?

[17:39:41]

wagnerrp:

i thought i had just made a bad rip, but then i looked at the DVD, and saw it looked just as bad

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wagnerrp:

/etc/fstab is the right place, yes

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fishsponge_:

at the bottom of the file or doesn't it matter?

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wagnerrp:

at any point after the file system youre mounting on top of

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fishsponge_:

ah, of course

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fishsponge_:

and i suppose it's best if i google the correct line i need, right?

[17:41:06]

fishsponge_:

unless you have one to hand... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

man pages work just as well

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dustybin:

suspendtoram is a bastard to get working with a pci graphics card

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wagnerrp:

the source is just '<IP>:<PATH>'

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, its exactly the same as any other fstab entry

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fishsponge_:

can i use hostname instead of IP? i assume so, but have to ask...

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wagnerrp:

as long as you can resolve said hostname

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Shadow__X:

ping it first

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fishsponge_:

indeed

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fishsponge_:

i'm already SSHd into it setting up the exports, so i know it works! lol

[17:42:31]

wagnerrp:

hostnames work, but CIFS names do not

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fishsponge_:

don't own a windows box anyway, so that's no problem

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GreyFoxx:

fish: If you can avoid it, use IP'

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GreyFoxx:

s and not hostnames

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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wagnerrp:

if you have a hosts file, theres no trouble

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GreyFoxx:

I'd be mightly pissed if server A couldn't mount the drives on server B because dns server C was not available

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wagnerrp:

if you have a dns server, as long as the server is not expected to go down, theres no trouble

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GreyFoxx:

things happen, and if you have a static home network there is no reason to use hostnames :)

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wagnerrp:

of course my NFS server is also my PXE/root server, so if its down, its not like im going to be mounting anyway

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wagnerrp:

err... DNS server

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UniCav:

lo all, is there a good solution for tvrss on myth yet?

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GreyFoxx:

what is tvrss ?

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wagnerrp:

bittorrent rss feed

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wagnerrp:

i would say... no

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GreyFoxx:

there is no support for any bittorrent type stuff at all

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fishsponge_:

my DNS server is the same box as the NFS server... so if i use IP, the NFS mount will have to timeout and if i use hostname, the DNS will timeout, but NFS won't even try, so what's worse?

[17:46:41]

GreyFoxx:

and will likely never be any official support for it

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UniCav:

that's a shame, it's a great way to get shows

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wagnerrp:

theres plenty of other bittorrent clients to use, why should mythtv write one too?

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UniCav:

they don't have to write one, just have a way to access one that exists

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UniCav:

a frontend for utorrent or something

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iamlindoro__:

UniCav: The project frowns strongly upon BitTorrenting TV shows, and such discussion is unwelcome here

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UniCav:

ahh, sorry

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wagnerrp:

good thing to interface with, windows only software

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fishsponge_:

and back to NFS we go... ;-p

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fishsponge_:

my DNS server is the same box as the NFS server... so if i use IP, the NFS mount will have to timeout and if i use hostname, the DNS will timeout, but NFS won't even try, so what's worse?

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wagnerrp:

you already asked that

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wagnerrp:

either way, you wont be able to mount, so whats the difference

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UniCav:

wagnerrp, sorry, just threw that out there at random, forgot it was win only

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fishsponge_:

well i guess there's no difference apart from which will take the longest to timeout!

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fishsponge_:

it irrelevant i guess ayway, cos i don't intend on rebooting ever

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fishsponge_:

so next question...

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wagnerrp:

dns will fail right now

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wagnerrp:

nfs will take several minutes, fall back to UDP, take several more minutes

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fishsponge_:

where should i mount to? should i symlink a random mount point to "/var/lib/mythtv" or should i tell mythtv to look in two places instead of one (if that's even possible)?

[17:52:49]

wagnerrp:

is this recorded content? or mythvideo? or mythmusic? or what?

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wagnerrp:

recorded content, you can add as many directories you want to a storage group

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo and mythmusic require one single directory

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fishsponge_:

mainly music, photos and videos of various formats (MP4, MOV, MPG etc...)

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wagnerrp:

so you want mythvideo, mythmusic, and mythgallery

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fishsponge_:

none of the stuff was made using mythtv though... music was ripped using EAC or downloaded, photos are jusy JPGs and videos described above

[17:55:05]

fishsponge_:

i guess so, yeah... not so good with mythtv yet! lol

[17:56:33]

wagnerrp:

there is no (easy) way to inject that content into mythtv

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fishsponge_:

hmm... can't i symlink it somewhere?

[17:56:54]

wagnerrp:

rather thats what the aforementioned plugins are for

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fishsponge_:

which plugin would i need then?

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wagnerrp:

the aforementioned ones

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fishsponge_:

hmm... let me scroll up... i don't remember plugins being mentioned! lol

[17:57:51]

wagnerrp:

mythvideo, mythmusic, and mythgallery

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fishsponge_:

oh, they're plugins! lol

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fishsponge_:

i thought they were areas of mythtv or something...

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fishsponge_:

ok, let me see if i have them enabled...

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justinh:

full marks for thinking, at least ;)

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fishsponge_:

hmm... i can't remember where the GUI is in mythbuntu to eable plugins...

[17:59:52]

fishsponge_:

ah, there it is... and i have MythGallery, MythMusic and MythVideo enabled...

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fishsponge_:

in fact, all plugins are enabled!

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fishsponge_:

so do i still need to mount over NFS to somewhere like "/media" for example?

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wagnerrp:

all of those plugins only allow a single root path

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wagnerrp:

so you either have to mount or symlink them into that path

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wagnerrp:

do you have local content, or is it all going to come from the remote server?

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fishsponge_:

i thought you just said that these plugins were specifically for injecting my content into MythTV...

[18:01:16]

fishsponge_:

oh, i see what you mean...

[18:01:28]

fishsponge_:

you were assuming, perhaps, that my MythTV box was just for TV viewing... and had no media support

[18:01:38]

fishsponge_:

i assumed media support was there by default, so was slightly cofused!

[18:01:40]

fishsponge_:

*confused

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wagnerrp:

thats plugins function independent of the base mythtv capability

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wagnerrp:

mythtv has no external media support

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fishsponge_:

i have a 13GB disk in my mythbuntu box, and 450GB in my NFS server, so it'll all be remote

[18:02:04]

wagnerrp:

its only for TV, the plugins handle everything else

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wagnerrp:

so just mount the nfs folders wherever you want

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wagnerrp:

and point the plugins directly at them

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fishsponge_:

so can i change the path that mythmusic and mythvideo uses, or do i have to mount into the correct location in the first place?

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Anduin:

mythvideo supports n roots, just separate them with a : (yes, the UI doesn't make this obvious)

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wagnerrp:

just change the path they want to use

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wagnerrp:

Anduin: didnt know that...

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fishsponge_:

n roots? u mean "multiple routes", right?

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wagnerrp:

roots

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wagnerrp:

root folders

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fishsponge_:

indeed

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fishsponge_:

but it was the "n" that confused me

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fishsponge_:

i'm easily confused, it seems!

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clev:

Anduin: what i tend to do for my layout, i point mythvideo at /media/videos/

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clev:

then i mount every computer at /media/videos/`hostname` generaly

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Anduin:

clev: Yeah, I only use : to make sure I didn't break it

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wagnerrp:

'n' is just programming term for undefined size list

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clev:

it seems to have no trouble with the mounting i do

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clev:

foo:/media/videos/foo /media/videos/foo for most of the nfs mounts

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fishsponge_:

ok, i'm going to mount my Media directory into "/media" over NFS, and then point MythVideo at "/media/videos" and point MythMusic at "/media/music"... sound good?

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wagnerrp:

sounds good

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clev:

usaly mounting directly to /media/ can cause problems

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clev:

for example when trying to read your /media/cdrom/ later on

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wagnerrp:

depends on the distro

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kormoc:

clev, usually?

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wagnerrp:

some like to mount removable disks, flash drives, and the like in there

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clev:

yeah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I'd argue that a distro or two isn't 'usually'

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clev:

ive only had 1 install that lacked a /media/

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kormoc:

I've never had a install that had a /media

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clev:

lol

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wagnerrp:

although ive found it more to be a function of the window manager than the distro

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fishsponge_:

ok, for legacy reasons my dirs are now "/media/My Music" and "/media/My Videos" – are spaces a problem, or should i symlink them? i can't rename them for various reasons! too many cronjobs etc...

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kormoc:

fishsponge_, should work fine

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wagnerrp:

gnome and KDE both have facilities to automount to /media

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Anduin:

fishsponge_: if you ever find a space problem open a ticket

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wagnerrp:

so any distro that defaults to one of those usually has the same behavior

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fishsponge_:

oh, good point... /media isn't a good place to mount to really!

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fishsponge_:

/stuff is better!

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

what the hell is wrong with /mnt?

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clev:

kormoc: it doesnt feel right:P

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wagnerrp:

i like /mnt/mythtv for everything

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kormoc:

it seems like noone even attempts to use /mnt anymore

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clev:

ive seen some people in here with a /recordings

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wagnerrp:

/mnt/raid300 for my old array, /mnt/raid750 for my new array, /mnt/raid320 for my mirror

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kormoc:

/mnt/multimedia /mnt/mythtv /mnt/mythtv-2 /mnt/backup /mnt/data

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wagnerrp:

youre mounting bulk disks, it just makes sense to use... /mnt

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kormoc:

clev, it doesn't feel right? It's the bloody standard... How much more 'right' can you get?

[18:09:38]

laga:

i have /datengrab ("data grave") ;)

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fishsponge_:

/mnt/media it is... good point!

[18:09:53]

fishsponge_:

no need for a useless top-level directory! may as use the one built in!

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wagnerrp:

fishsponge_: good point? there is no point! put it wherever the hell you want

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fishsponge_:

ok, off to cook dinner... will keep oppping back to do stuff on here though... mounted over NFS successfully so far... just need to try and get the plugins to work with the new dir!

[18:10:29]

fishsponge_:

can't i just symlink from the existig dir to the new dir?

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clev:

/media This directory contains mount points for removable media such as CD and DVD disks or USB sticks.

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clev:

/mnt This directory is a mount point for a temporarily mounted filesystem. In some distributions, /mnt contains subdirectories intended to be used as mount

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clev:

(the hier man page)

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clev:

kormoc: maybe you need to give hier.7.gz a kick

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wagnerrp:

you can use symlinks, but theres little point to if its not already in your file system for another purpose

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kormoc:

clev, you actually just proved my point. /media is not intended for network mounts at all

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Shadow__X:

:)

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clev:

but the problem comes up when you want to have it mounted at the same point on every system:P

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kormoc:

clev, follow the standards and it will

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fishsponge_:

well i'd rather keep the proper /var/lib/mythtv directories in place in case i do want to store something on the client some day, so a symlink to "/mnt/media/My Music" would be idea... i assume it would work, right?

[18:12:14]

fishsponge_:

(i.e. are symlinks followed??)

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wagnerrp:

'/media' seems to be for local removable media

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clev:

the 'right' place on the server will be 'wrong' on the client

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kormoc:

clev, not at all. /mnt/data is valid on both sides

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clev:

wagnerrp: half my nfs mounts are removable, i keep having to umount to reboot a stuck nfsd

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wagnerrp:

symlinks are followed, yes

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kormoc:

clev, but they are not *local* removalbe media

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wagnerrp:

'/var' just seems like the absolute wrong place for this sort of thing

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wagnerrp:

i hate it how linux likes to put servers there

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clev:

kormoc: /media/videos/media/media2/ is a usb enclosure on the 'media' host :P

[18:13:40]

clev:

thats removable

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kormoc:

clev, not as intended

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kormoc:

clev, local removable media is typically defined as when the media can be removed but the drive can not

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clev:

ahh, like a cd drive or card reader

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kormoc:

correct

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kormoc:

it's a bit of a bastarization to group flashdrives in there

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clev:

my SD card reader lets me remove the card under linux without any problem

[18:15:01]

clev:

and can detect the card being inserted

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clev:

but if i try that under windows it just ignores the device till i kick the usb layer with a reconnect

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kormoc:

but most people don't understand why their flash drive would be in a different location then their cdrom/floppy/etc

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clev:

kormoc: what about http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/drives/a7ea/?cpg=ab

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clev:

its a usb enclosure with hotswapable drives :P

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kormoc:

the drive and the media is still not removable

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wagnerrp:

that should be managed by a raid card (or raid subsystem) and transparent from the file system

[18:17:13]

clev:

the drive can be seperated from the 'reader' without powering the 'reader' down

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kormoc:

or rather, you can not remove the media from the drive without issues

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kormoc:

in anycase, this is entirely worthless and should be stopped

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clev:

all we are doing is cloging up MythLogBot :P

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fishsponge_:

can mythmusic play FLAC files?

[18:20:19]

fishsponge_:

or am i gonna have to reencode my entire CD collection??

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wagnerrp:

i have to believe it can

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jonk_:

question: I've been building a new system with multiple cards — the tuners are ending up with different /dev/video? assignments each time I boot the machine. This happened on the old backend but the tuners were all analog hauppauge tuner cards so switching the order did not matter

[18:21:24]

jonk_:

new system has both analog and HD cards so now it does

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jonk_:

how can I force the same assignment each time?

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clev:

udev

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jonk_:

thanks — I'll look into it

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fishsponge_:

wagnerrp: why do you have to believe it can? does that mean you know it can, or you would be amazed if it didn't, but you don't know for sure?

[18:22:33]

clev:

or muck with the modprobe config to force certain drivers to load before others

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clev:

but mucking with the config wont fix it for matching cards(under the same driver)

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clev:

udev is the best way

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wagnerrp:

flac is a fairly common, and completely open format. i would be surprised if it werent supported

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fishsponge_:

ok, i'll give it a go

[18:25:28]

fishsponge_:

will extra non-music files (like rip log files etc...) be ignored?

[18:25:45]

wagnerrp:

first line of the wiki... 'mp3, ogg, flac, wav etc.'

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea if it filters

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wagnerrp:

it ignores the jpg cd images i have in my folders, so it does something

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fishsponge_:

ok, i'm now going to reindex my music, if i can find the option to see how it goes!

[18:28:02]

fishsponge_:

will i need write access to the media folder?

[18:28:17]

wagnerrp:

kindof

[18:28:20]

fishsponge_:

(i.e. is MythMusic going to try and download album art etc...?

[18:28:27]

fishsponge_:

and ID3 tags for the FLAC files?

[18:28:32]

wagnerrp:

mythvideo wants access to whatever folder you told it to download movie posters to

[18:28:51]

wagnerrp:

aside from that, ive never actually managed my music from mythmusic

[18:29:03]

wagnerrp:

i only ever use it for playback (streaming) over mythweb

[18:29:13]

wagnerrp:

to be honest, the frontend gui sucks

[18:30:06]

fishsponge_:

downloading movie posters? does that have a lot to do with mythmusic then?

[18:30:27]

wagnerrp:

as i said, mythvideo

[18:30:33]

wagnerrp:

so absolutely nothing to do with mythmusic

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fishsponge_:

ah, good

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fishsponge_:

when i scan for new music, will it also remove music that no longer exists (ie. the stuff i copied on here as a test last night, but have now deleted)?

[18:31:47]

wagnerrp:

i believe so, yes

[18:32:07]

** wagnerrp escapes to work **

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fishsponge_:

and you are right – the GUI to mythmusic is awful... how do i actually browse by artist etc...?

[18:34:19]

fishsponge_:

oh, and "Visualize" just seems to give a blank screen! any ideas about that?

[18:35:44]

fishsponge_:

does anyone here actually use the mythmusic front end?

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GreyFoxx:

My wife uses it all the time, I use it once in a while

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GreyFoxx:

You have to configure what visualations are available in the music settings menus I believe

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jonk_:

i use mythfrontend for music

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jonk_:

err.. use the mythmusic plugin on my frontend box

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jonk_:

firsphonge, it comes confiugred to only show you a playlist — you can turn that off and browse by artist

[18:44:57]

fishsponge_:

how on earth do you simply browse through your list of artists and choose the songs you wanna hear?

[18:45:10]

fishsponge_:

ah... ok, so it's in the config... good

[18:45:17]

fishsponge_:

i'll go look for that soon then

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jonk_:

i didnt like the playlist thing

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fishsponge_:

nor do i! lol

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fishsponge_:

the mythvideo is a bit weird too... shows duration: 0 etc... when it's not true

[18:45:59]

fishsponge_:

the videos play fine, but it has no details about them...

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jonk_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythMusic#Playing_Music

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jonk_:

use that as a guide fishponge

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jonk_:

not really done anything with mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

fish: That data comes from the database, not reading the file

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GreyFoxx:

so if you haven't had it suck in imdb or whatever info, he hasn no idea how long it is

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fishsponge_:

is there a way to populate the database with the video infomation?

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GreyFoxx:

the videomanager

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GreyFoxx:

M or I and pick imdb search

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GreyFoxx:

for movies at least

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GreyFoxx:

for TV stuff that's another matter

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fishsponge_:

no, i mean can't it read my video files and at least pick up the durations etc...?

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GreyFoxx:

there is nothing in there to do that for you

[18:51:57]

GreyFoxx:

all that info comes from the database and there is no background process constantly checking the files for that info

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fishsponge_:

ah, ok, so basically i ought to enter it all by hand... lol

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GreyFoxx:

Why bother?

[18:53:24]

GreyFoxx:

If it's Movies use the imdb search, which will get show info and cover poster

[18:53:32]

GreyFoxx:

if it's TV episodes then you will need another script

[18:53:39]

GreyFoxx:

there are a couple out there though I've never used them

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GreyFoxx:

and in afew days another one will be released to pull info and covers from thetvdb.com

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fishsponge_:

most of my videos are random mounain bike clips, or videos shot on my camera phone! lol

[18:56:19]

fishsponge_:

anyway... dinner time!

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fishsponge_:

back later on :-)

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I can make you a couple

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GreyFoxx:

oops

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wagnerrp:

fishsponge_: mythmusic must be compiled against fftw to display visualizations. mythvideo pulls video length from the database, rather than the video file. until you run some sort of script which fills that value in the database, it will continue to list as 0 minutes long.

[19:29:01]

wagnerrp:

there is a tvrage script floating around the mailing list used to pull episode information for TV shows

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro made a wrapper for that, that loops it through the mythvideo database, as well as grabbing some basic file information and a screen shot

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wagnerrp:

you could just cut out the line that runs the tvrage scraper, and run the other two functinos

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GreyFoxx:

And if I finish it off another one in acouple days

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GreyFoxx:

about 97% done now

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GreyFoxx:

just need some minor polish

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fishsponge_:

bugger... pressed "i" while listening to a track and it crashed the frontend!

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laga:

iamlindoro__: didn't you say that replex can rewrite the PTS?

[19:55:52]

iamlindoro__:

laga: It purports to, but doesn't seem to do so in practice

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laga:

:(

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iamlindoro__:

"--ignore_PTS, -f : ignore all PTS information of original"

[19:56:26]

iamlindoro__:

except it doesn't.

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iamlindoro__:

Warning negative video PTS increase! Can`t continue, check input file

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iamlindoro__:

Yay!

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laga:

even if run manually?

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iamlindoro__:

That's run manually

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laga:

ah.

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dustybin:

in my xorg.conf i am going to specify what bus my PCI is on with:

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dustybin:

05:04.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1)

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iamlindoro__:

I've sent e-mail off the the authors and we'll see if they have any info about how to solve it

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justinh:

I need a mobile phone jammer

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dustybin:

BusID"PCI:05:04:0"

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dustybin:

have i matched the BusID correctly with the list from lspci ?

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iamlindoro__:

laga: The solution to such a problem in myth would be a last-ditch-effort renumbering of the PTSes, but that's beyond my capabilities

[20:00:09]

iamlindoro__:

Still, might be worthwhile to get the new replex committed if someone can, the AC3 fixes are probably worthwhile

[20:00:17]

iamlindoro__:

and the patch is done and works :)

[20:00:37]

fishsponge_:

is there any way to get MythWeather in degrees C instead of fahrenheit??

[20:02:49]

justinh:

change it to use SI units

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** justinh smacks his remote on the table. it doesn't have a code to control a wife's volume **

[20:05:44]

dustybin:

lspci -x ftw

[20:05:55]

iamlindoro__:

oh jesus christ, more for the winnings

[20:07:28]

dustybin:

justinh: you could use irexec to execute a script what locks your wife in the kitchen via x10

[20:09:34]

iamlindoro__:

And that kind of attitude is why you have no wife/girlfriend/friends

[20:10:07]

iamlindoro__:

PS, Internet people are NOT YOUR FRIENDS

[20:10:18]

iamlindoro__:

and internet people will never count as such, no matter how hard you try

[20:13:38]

jduggan:

i've made very good friends via the internet

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jduggan:

:o

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justinh:

I thought I did, but they turned out to be a back-stabbing c***

[20:14:30]

jduggan:

so thats what you think of iamlindoro__

[20:14:32]

jduggan:

*grin*

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iamlindoro__:

No argument there, I *am* a back stabbing c***

[20:14:47]

jduggan:

hehe

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iamlindoro__:

point made!

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iamlindoro__:

"Internet friends" DOES NOT COMPUTE

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iamlindoro__:

You can be *friendly* with people on the internet. You cannot be friends.

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jduggan:

i dont think it counts as being friends if your only interaction with them is via the internet

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jduggan:

but my aforementioned friends i've met many times and regularly meet up for a beer etc

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jduggan:

i certainly think that counts

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iamlindoro__:

That's because they are "Real friends"

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iamlindoro__:

not unlike "real breasts," which are real if I can touch them.

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jduggan:

heh

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** iamlindoro__ considers offering a bounty on this goddamned bug **

[20:21:50]

iamlindoro__:

Bah, it's useless, only about four people could fix it anyway

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justinh:

delete * from recorded where name like "%eastenders%"; GRRRRRRRR

[20:33:09]

justinh:

obviously that should've said title, not name but hey

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Wicked:

i think i found out my issue with multiple tuners needing different SD data. http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-24.html#ss24.4

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justinh:

yeah multiple lineups. badabing

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fryfrog:

Wicked: to me, it seems that document is showing you how to use two different datadirect lineups, the analog one and the digital one.

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fishsponge_:

is there a way to get mythtv to rip music into FLAC format?

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fishsponge_:

or any other lossless format, for that matter?

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fryfrog:

since you want to record from your STB that has *all* channels, but pick 2 sets from them... i'm not sure if it'd work.

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justinh:

fishsponge_: you know this stuff you want to change? there are settings for stuff :)

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fryfrog:

i also don't think i said that very well :/

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justinh:

the 'lossless' setting of mythmusic is what would invoke flac ripping IIRC

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Wicked:

fryfrog, what you do...is you deselect all the channels u cant get from the SD....then you set up one input in myth.....then re-enable the channels u can get then set up another input in mythtv...then you use mythfilldatabase --remove-new-channels

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Wicked:

fryfrog, this is the way that the guys from SD recomended

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fishsponge_:

justinh: ah... let me go find that option!

[20:53:39]

fishsponge_:

in the encoding drop-down, i have Ogg Vorbis or Lame (MP3)... no FLAC, and no "Lossless"

[20:53:47]

fishsponge_:

justinh: where is this option?

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justinh:

mythmusic settings > rip settings ?

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fishsponge_:

yeah, that's where i am...

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justinh:

maybe I is mistookened

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

see the 'rip quality' dropdown?

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fishsponge_:

i think i've found it... if i select "Perfect" quality, it says it uses the FLAC encoder

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fishsponge_:

and with Paranoia set to Full, i should be OK!

[20:56:55]

justinh:

the note in the help text at the botton of the screen.. BONGO

[20:57:16]

justinh:

so I wasn't being mental. not this time anyway :D

[20:57:33]

fishsponge_:

however, having just gone to "Import CD", i've inserted a CD and now it's hung with half a dialog box on the screen... is it trying to go to the free CDDB?

[20:57:48]

Wicked:

is there a way to purge the channel listings from the database?

[20:57:49]

wagnerrp:

woo! ALIX boards get back in stock tomorrow

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dustybin:

iamlindoro__: did your suspend to ram work out of the box?

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fishsponge_:

do i need to setup MythMusic to download album album and track information for my CDs, or should it habve the online CDDB setup already?

[21:00:24]

fishsponge_:

cos i've just looked one up that i'm certain would be in there, and it's not bringing anything up...

[21:01:07]

fryfrog:

Wicked: ah, interesting!

[21:01:35]

Wicked:

fryfrog, ill let ya know how it works once i got it up and running :-)

[21:01:45]

Wicked:

also comcast also did something to my boxes lastnight

[21:02:08]

Wicked:

in the diagnostic menu...it used to say unavailible for 1394.....now it doesnt.....

[21:02:12]

Wicked:

they changed something

[21:02:18]

Wicked:

but im still not having better luck

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fishsponge_:

mythmusic keeps hanging while "Scanning CD"... and when it does work, it brings up no information! any ideas?

[21:02:26]

wagnerrp:

they tend to change things a lot

[21:02:35]

justinh:

fishsponge_: it can fetch freedb data but not album art

[21:02:38]

Wicked:

cuz cable went out lastnight......so i called and they said maintence....

[21:02:54]

Wicked:

then the 1394 settings changed in the menus.....

[21:02:57]

** justinh mutters something about picture copyright holders, yada yada **

[21:03:02]

Wicked:

still waiting for a email from them

[21:03:34]

wagnerrp:

justinh: so how does winamp get by with grabbing those? AOL pay some massive licensing fee?

[21:03:40]

justinh:

fishsponge_: scripts are available to downloadify album art – but from where I cannot recall

[21:03:52]

justinh:

wagnerrp: dunno. look in the winamp source code :P

[21:04:07]

fishsponge_:

album art i'm not too fussed about... just the track names and artist etc... would be nice!

[21:04:11]

fishsponge_:

but it keeps hanging

[21:04:31]

wagnerrp:

if only... it might give linux media player developers some ideas

[21:04:32]

fishsponge_:

i press "Scan CD", a blank MythTV-style dialog appears, and nothing more happens after that

[21:04:55]

fishsponge_:

but when it does work, it just brings up "Unknown Artist", "Unknown Album", "Unknown...... etc.....

[21:05:44]

justinh:

wagnerrp: maybe that amarok thingy can do it

[21:06:01]

stoth:

so I asked a rental company for a price to rent a firewire analyzer, so I could help fix the STB stability issues. $3k.

[21:06:08]

justinh:

fishsponge_: considered that the freedb doesn't have the info for that CD?

[21:06:11]

stoth:

silly money

[21:06:43]

justinh:

stoth: you can buy em for less than that. I bought one from work not so long back – and a sata one. and a usb one

[21:07:03]

fryfrog:

stoth: 3k to *RENT* one?

[21:07:07]

justinh:

stoth: also try googling bushound :)

[21:07:40]

fishsponge_:

fishsponge: it's unlikely that freedb doesn't have info for all of the CDs i've just tried... Green Day – Dookie, for example – a rather old, classic album!

[21:07:54]

fishsponge_:

justinh: but anyway, it should hang... surely

[21:08:08]

wagnerrp:

justinh: that was supposed to be a shot at linux audio players, ive not yet found one anything like s functional as winamp's media library

[21:08:20]

fryfrog:

freedb has been missing newer albums for me, i've been wondering what was up.

[21:08:33]

fryfrog:

lots of old stuff works great and is detected, but... new stuff seems to be missing :(

[21:09:12]

fishsponge_:

so far everything is missing for me... but mythmusic hangs while trying to find out more often than not, and it's awfully frustrating...

[21:09:15]

justinh:

I ripped all my music in iTunes last time. Oh how I've come to regret that – but at least it had all the metadata

[21:09:17]

fishsponge_:

does anyone know why it might be hanging?

[21:09:41]

wagnerrp:

oh what is the world coming to when Green Day is considered classic

[21:09:47]

stoth:

justinh: do you have a 1394 unit you'd recommend? (Bushound?)

[21:09:54]

justinh:

mythfrontend should log stuff like that.. have a look if you've enabled logging

[21:09:57]

wagnerrp:

thats like AMC playing Terminator 3

[21:10:01]

justinh:

stoth: bushound is software

[21:10:21]

stoth:

ahh, no, I need a hardware solution.

[21:10:25]

justinh:

not even sure it's any good for firewire

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fishsponge_:

justinh: where would i find the logs?

[21:10:36]

fishsponge_:

not stumbled across that option yet...

[21:10:44]

wagnerrp:

fishsponge_: that depends entirely on the distro

[21:10:48]

stoth:

although, bushound is interestin for another unrelated project :)

[21:10:49]

wagnerrp:

is the backend running?

[21:11:01]

wagnerrp:

do a 'ps ax | grep mythbackend'

[21:11:13]

wagnerrp:

if youre logging to file, there will be a '-l <some path>

[21:11:18]

wagnerrp:

' in the command line

[21:11:37]

justinh:

try grepping for mythfrontend instead ;)

[21:11:59]

justinh:

stoth: can't remember the name of the company I used, and I'm not at work so I can't dig out the purchase order

[21:12:17]

wagnerrp:

well yeah, mythmusic would all be in the frontend...

[21:12:37]

justinh:

stoth: I remember it was 'only' a few hundred dollars though

[21:13:17]

stoth:

799

[21:13:24]

dustybin:

jeeze i just had a thought, suspend to ram + pxe netbooting = problems

[21:13:52]

fishsponge_:

wagnerp: yes, the backend is running, and i'm now tail -f ing the log to see if i can make it crash again

[21:14:00]

justinh:

I was asked to look into an HDMI analyser recently so we could do our own pre-certification checks too

[21:14:07]

justinh:

I talked them out of that

[21:14:17]

** stoth grins **

[21:14:36]

fishsponge_:

in the mean time, if i want to type the info in for the album and all the tracks, what do i press on each track to type in it's name? i've filled in everything, but although i can scroll through "Track 1", "Track 2" etc... i can't type their names in!

[21:14:38]

wagnerrp:

what, you mean you dont want to have to scan through gbps of data?

[21:15:04]

justinh:

wagnerrp: more for looking at the actual signals not the data

[21:16:04]

justinh:

it's taken me til this week to put off the Tektronix rep who's been hounding me after I fired off an email asking for a ballpark figure

[21:16:41]

justinh:

darn, he says... Ole Gil has gotta make a sale soon....

[21:17:52]

wagnerrp:

one a day keeps the boss at bay

[21:18:20]

justinh:

NEVER give reps your phone number at work

[21:18:43]

wagnerrp:

no caller id?

[21:19:00]

justinh:

it always ends up working the wrong way.. you chase them for something you want – but then the tables turn & they incessantly want to come in & try to sell you stuff

[21:19:15]

justinh:

stupid Cisco phones ;)

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wagnerrp:

would it go to your voicemail? or are you on a phone chain, and have the ability to pass the pestering on to the next guy?

[21:19:54]

justinh:

or rather, they disabled callerid & don't let you disable voicemail

[21:19:56]

iamlindoro__:

justinh: I say go with Cookie Kwan, I hear she's number one on the west side

[21:20:01]

justinh:

lol

[21:20:54]

** justinh mutters something about CEOs & control freakery **

[21:21:33]

cdim:

I had XvMC working with my FX5200 on mythtv 0.21-fixes rev 17892 and then compiled the latest 0.21-fixes and installed it and now I get WriteAudio: buffer underruns when using XvMC, I tried to downgrade back to rev 17892, but the XvMC issue is still there, I think something is wrong with my XvMC setup, can anyone advise me?

[21:21:53]

justinh:

I was wondering today what the IT dept are making of my mysterious emmissions to & from work on $port

[21:22:42]

fishsponge_:

ah, got it – while looking up the CDDB info, i seem to get this in the logs: mythfrontend.real: Fatal IO error: client killed

[21:22:53]

fishsponge_:

and i basically have to kill it

[21:23:25]

justinh:

hrm. does mythmusic have the freedb client built in or is it using an external lib I wonder...

[21:23:48]

fishsponge_:

but this latest time, it worked again... although it indicated that this album *also* wasn't in the cddb! none of mine seem to be, and they're not unpopular albums! lol

[21:24:04]

justinh:

it uses freedb, not cddb IIRC

[21:24:19]

fishsponge_:

sorry, yes – freedb

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fishsponge_:

so... any ideas why sometimes it hangs, and other times it returns no info?

[21:25:24]

justinh:

nope – and your debug message ain't exactly the most illuminating

[21:25:43]

fishsponge_:

well that's not my fault, surely... lol

[21:25:56]

justinh:

true

[21:26:08]

justinh:

I didn't infer that it was your fault

[21:26:17]

fishsponge_:

that's true

[21:26:41]

fishsponge_:

so anyway, just so i can get ripping, how do i ente the track names? i can scroll up and down through them, and i can enter the album info, but i can't figur eout what to press to type in the track names!

[21:26:49]

justinh:

mybe freedb is temporarily borked & it's throwing mythmusic a curve

[21:27:08]

justinh:

highlight a track & press INFO ?

[21:28:10]

fishsponge_:

ah, yes :-)

[21:28:19]

fishsponge_:

i've not learned all the useful keys yet...

[21:28:24]

Wicked:

hmm mythfilldatabase seems to always seg fault :(

[21:28:40]

fishsponge_:

i guess freedb may well be screwed... i'll try again another day, and i'll enter it all by hand for the momrnt!

[21:28:52]

justinh:

M for Menu, I for Info, P for Play...

[21:29:02]

justinh:

U for Info

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justinh:

:P

[21:30:14]

iamlindoro__:

Son of a bitch! Mojo HD has been canceled...

[21:30:20]

iamlindoro__:

That's a great channel, dang it!

[21:31:50]

justinh:

serves em right. London Live is showing Will Young in concert

[21:32:30]

iamlindoro__:

Three Sheets was/is a great show

[21:33:02]

justinh:

arrrr, it be a great show available from other sources, scurcy nave

[21:33:19]

iamlindoro__:

Only on Mojo here

[21:33:26]

justinh:

aw

[21:33:28]

justinh:

bugger

[21:33:48]

iamlindoro__:

Bastards

[21:34:12]

iamlindoro__:

*sigh*, maybe it'll get picked up by someone

[21:34:55]

fishsponge_:

anyway, thanks for the help tonight, people!

[21:35:18]

justinh:

maybe all the hip young dudes who watch Mojo HD all have PVRs & surveys have said they don't watch ads anymore ;)

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iamlindoro__:

heh

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iamlindoro__:

very possibly

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cdim:

can anyone here help me with my XvMC issue I detailed a few moments ago? I've gone through the mythtv xvmc wiki page as well

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cdim:

I've also compiled and run XvMC info program on the mythtv wiki page and the interesting thing I've found is that I have 2 XvMC surfaces with mc_type MPEG1, shouldn't it be MPEG2?

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dustybin:

is there a such thing as a command line tool what performs DPMS, so i can turn on and off my monitor?

[21:47:43]

iamlindoro__:

xset

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dustybin:

aye thanks

[21:48:01]

cdim:

is there a better channel to get further advice?

[21:48:33]

iamlindoro__:

no, but patience longer than 20 minutes may be required

[21:49:00]

cdim:

i have patience, i was just wondering

[21:49:18]

iamlindoro__:

It's an honest answer. It often takes longer than 20–30 minutes to get an answer in IRC.

[21:49:19]

dustybin:

cdim: you need to wait for our inhouse mythtv professional, 'clever'

[21:49:37]

** clev looks up **

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iamlindoro__:

uhhhhh

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dustybin:

:P

[21:49:49]

wagnerrp:

hes made a professions out of breaking and patching his installation?

[21:49:57]

clev:

dustybin: xset dpms force off

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iamlindoro__:

That guy is a moron.

[21:50:09]

cdim:

who is clever?

[21:50:14]

kormoc:

cdim, sadly, xvmc is mostly a black box and there's not a whole lot you can do to fix it

[21:50:17]

clev:

i use that all the time to force my lcd panel off at night

[21:50:26]

cdim:

hi kormoc

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kormoc:

cdim, I'd recommend trying downgrading/upgrading driver versions a bit

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cdim:

there are a few things I don't understand

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wagnerrp:

what processor do you have on your frontend?

[21:50:59]

cdim:

kormoc: why does the xvmcinfo program on the mythtv wikipage say the mc_type is MPEG1

[21:51:12]

cdim:

kormoc: i don't expect you to have an answer, these are just my questions

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cdim:

kormoc: then why did my XvMC setup which was working with mythtv 0.21-fixes rev 17892 break when just upgrading to mythtv 0.21-fixes latest

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cdim:

wagnerrp: I have a mobile athlon xp 1800MHz

[21:53:05]

wagnerrp:

1800MHz should be plenty sufficient to run 1080i mpeg2

[21:53:40]

wagnerrp:

unless youre trying to set this up so you can run while off power and downclocked

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cdim:

wagnerrp: eh, I like XvMC and I usually have 3 recordings going, and a 1 commflag job in the background

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cdim:

wagnerrp: i have a frontend & backend on the same machine

[21:55:40]

wagnerrp:

well unless you have framegrabbers, the backend should use next to no power (aside from commflagging/transcoding)

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cdim:

my Xorg.conf, XvMCConfig, nvidia-settings, mythtv playback settings, have all stayed the same, and I didn't upgrade my nvidia driver, it just stopped working....

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cdim:

wagnerrp: i used to get slowdowns when not using XvMC, now since XvMC isn't working, that may work, but I have a feeling I'll get slowdowns again without it

[21:57:32]

wagnerrp:

fair enough

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cdim:

wagnerrp: i'm trying it now

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cdim:

clev: did you have anything to add?

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clev:

clev: i havent done much xvmc stuff

[21:59:38]

cdim:

clev: k, thanks

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cdim:

wagnerrp: r u a XvMC expert?

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gbee:

are all gentoo users crazy, or do they just seem that way?

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kormoc:

gbee, I'm a gentoo user... but I guess you might question my sanity :P

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gbee:

kormoc, my reference is the guy in #mythtv and users like him who get so upset when an ebuild pulls in the tiniest of dependancies which it might not actually need

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kormoc:

yeah, I know

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kormoc:

I just modify the ebuild if I care enough

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gbee:

I can't help seeing it as a form of OCD

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clev:

but would the time you save in compliling 1 less depend outweight the time you spent editing that out of the ebuild :P

[22:15:29]

cdim:

is xvmc-opengl still not reccomended?

[22:15:42]

gbee:

I've used 15kb of space on an unneeded dependancy! *scrub* *scrub*, the drive never been the same again! (drive goes in the bin and user buys new drive)

[22:16:04]

gbee:

the another just to be safe

[22:16:07]

gbee:

then

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fryfrog:

gbee: yeah, gentoo users are totally nuts ;0

[22:20:29]

fryfrog:

also, i love teh gentoo :)

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gbee:

my typing is completely falling apart lately

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cdent:

does anyone here use a FX5200 with XvMC?

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mzb_d800:

cdim: check your cpu profiles, set "-v playback -l ~/mythfrontend.log" for the frontend and tail the log

[22:33:58]

mzb_d800:

(assuming everything else works)

[22:34:53]

riddlebox:

is it possible to have mythfrontend on one laptop, and use it to connect through the internet to view my shows?

[22:35:14]

cdent:

mzb_d800: i was cdim, now I'm cdent, thanks for the help, are you very familiar with xvmc?

[22:35:31]

mzb_d800:

compared to?

[22:35:57]

mzb_d800:

let's say that I use it

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mzb_d800:

and have had to debug it a few times

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

come to think of it, show me your configure line

[22:36:51]

cdent:

mzb_d800: should I msg it to you?

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mzb_d800:

paste

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cdent:

pastebin?

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mzb_d800:

whatever!

[22:38:24]

cdent:

mzb_d800: http://pastebin.ca/1217353

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mzb_d800:

you *should* have built with "--xvmc-lib=chromeXvMC" (for an openchrome ... but you get the idea)

[22:38:49]

mzb_d800:

not sure if it's auto-detected

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cdent:

mzb_d800: hm, I thought using the XvMCW lib was the correct thing to do

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cdent:

mzb_d800: i will try the verbose logging momentarily

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mzb_d800:

don't know what you're talking about ... rebuild (or ensure you have built) with the xvmc libs declared

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mzb_d800:

check the build logs first

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cdent:

from the mythtv wiki xvmc page: For many distributions, a separate XvMCW (Wrapper) library package can be installed. This is the library that MythTV will use to hook into the XvMC support in the driver. It provides a common interface for applications wishing to use XvMC.

[22:41:04]

mzb_d800:

see if xvmc-libs where detected

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mzb_d800:

cdent: don't get distracted ... I'm busy

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cdent:

when I do my configure it finds the XvMCW lib and *I think* it uses that

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mzb_d800:

check the config log!

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cdent:

mzb_d800: there isn't much in my config.log file

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mzb_d800:

$ grep -i xvmc mythtv/config.err

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mzb_d800:

$ grep -i xvmc mythtv/config.mak

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mzb_d800:

got a result? time is running short

[22:44:06]

mzb_d800:

if in doubt then rebuild

[22:44:18]

cdent:

mzb_d800: grep -i xvmc mythtv/config.err -> http://pastebin.ca/1217358

[22:44:28]

mzb_d800:

you'll probably have to do a distclean (to be certain) first

[22:45:13]

cdent:

mzb_d800: grep -i xvmc mythtv/config.mak -> http://pastebin.ca/1217361

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mzb_d800:

"--enable-xvmc-pro" ????

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mzb_d800:

I'm blind

[22:46:28]

mzb_d800:

xvmc-pro is not for nv

[22:46:40]

mzb_d800:

I'm not going to ask why you enabled that

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mzb_d800:

disable it and follow my previous suggestion

[22:46:56]

cdent:

mzb_d800: I've always used that, and it hasn't been an issue, I can remove it though

[22:47:32]

mzb_d800:

I'm not going to argue with you ... examine ./configure --help to understand what you're doing

[22:48:01]

mzb_d800:

in fact ... I'd suggest to you that you could probably lose that complete line

[22:48:12]

mzb_d800:

and simply set xvmc-libs

[22:48:45]

cdent:

./configure --help indicates --xvmc-libs is for crosscompiling

[22:48:55]

mzb_d800:

here's my config option for an nv machine: "--xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA --enable-xvmc-opengl"

[22:49:16]

mzb_d800:

(and that's ALL of it ... pretty much everything else is auto-detected)

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mzb_d800:

ymmv

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cdent:

mzb_d800: I will re configure, build and install implementing your suggestions, I'm not an expert, but I didn't think --xvmc-libs nor --enable-xvmc-pro was the root cause of my issue, but i'll try it

[22:50:04]

mzb_d800:

that's my suggestion, take it or leave it

[22:50:13]

mzb_d800:

2nd suggestion is CPU profiles

[22:50:40]

iamlindoro:

actually, enabling xvmc-pro and regular xvmc in the same compile *will* break xvmc

[22:50:49]

mzb_d800:

thanks iamlindoro ;)

[22:50:51]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar is the resident ewxpert on this IIRC

[22:51:07]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, The facts need no thanks :)

[22:51:24]

cdent:

iamlindoro: hm, thanks, I'll have to revise my configure line since that's the case

[22:51:38]

Dagmar:

WHO HAS SUMMONED ME?

[22:51:51]

** mzb_d800 trundles off to complete packing house ... IT'S MOVING DAY!! **

[22:51:52]

Dagmar:

Oh I see.

[22:51:54]

iamlindoro:

Well, just as long as we're not being dramaitc

[22:52:05]

iamlindoro:

er dramatic

[22:52:13]

cdent:

mzb_d800: i just have 1 playback profile with Standard XvMC, xvmc-blit, chroma key, no OSD fade, and no interlacers

[22:52:35]

Dagmar:

I'll just say flat out: --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-ccache --enable-ivtv --disable-distcc --enable-lirc --enable-mmx --with-bindings=perl,python --enable-opengl-vsync

[22:53:24]

cdent:

Dagmar: I think mzb_d800 suggested I use xvmc-opengl, what is your opinion on that?

[22:53:36]

Dagmar:

Deviating from those xvmc/opengl switch settings and (more importantly) not letting the configure script autodetect (because what it says it's doing isn't generally wrong, although the why of it comes out weird) results in all sorts of wonderful complete console crashes with the nVidia drivers.

[22:54:01]

mzb_d800:

iirc: I only enabled things that weren't automatically detected

[22:54:07]

Dagmar:

Basically, --disable-xvmc-opengl because it does bad things.

[22:54:25]

Dagmar:

...and it's name isn't quite enough to explain what it's doing correctly.

[22:54:45]

cdent:

Dagmar: that's what was passed along to me last time I inquired about xvmc-opengl, but I wasn't sure if that's still the case, it's been a few months since my last compile of myth-0.21 fixes

[22:54:51]

** mzb_d800 adds that his systems continue to work fine **

[22:55:24]

Dagmar:

I really got tired of having the whole machine go spare when I'd go from LiveTV into the program guide, because the preview window would crash the thing in seconds flat

[22:55:29]

cdent:

thanks everyone for your help, i'll re try soon, unless you guys have more to explain or something

[22:57:56]

cdent:

i'm rebuilding now...

[22:58:19]

Dagmar:

Specifically, /usr/lib64 implies that the files are 64-bit arch-specific

[22:58:22]

Dagmar:

wrong chn

[22:58:38]

cdent:

but it's still using XvMCW libs, I wonder if that's the problem

[22:59:05]

Dagmar:

What it says at the end of configure doesn't always make sense

[22:59:14]

J-e-f-f-A:

Wow, what a difference... had built a frontend with a cheap motherboard combo – with an Athlon 64 3200+, 512mb ram, and GEForce6200 card... But the onboard audio level sucked.... I bought a $12.99 USB audio card from Micro Center, and it's like 20x louder...

[22:59:19]

Dagmar:

You have to trust that what it's linking against is what it *should* be linking against

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Dagmar:

This is not necessarily the same as what you might think it should be

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cdent:

Dagmar: I think it's ok, everything I read said XvMCW is correct, but mzb_d800 indicated that I should be using -xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA

[23:01:24]

Dagmar:

cdent: Far as I know he would be _dead wrong_

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Dagmar:

nVidia's XvMC library basically shims itself in-between X and the API

[23:01:55]

Dagmar:

Calls which were going to libXvMC are automatically redirected into nVidia's library.

[23:02:02]

Dagmar:

You dont' have to do anything fancy.

[23:02:05]

cdent:

k

[23:02:08]

cdent:

thanks

[23:02:16]

cdent:

Dagmar: I really appreciate your advise

[23:02:31]

Dagmar:

It's basically been the case since they started making the driver that you didn't have to do anything special to make it's "magic" happen.

[23:02:53]

Dagmar:

The fun thing is that I was about to cite that very example.

[23:03:24]

cdent:

Dagmar: you mean, that ./configure usually autodetects correct?

[23:03:27]

cdent:

correctly

[23:03:28]

Dagmar:

But hey, there's ubuntu people around who think you have to put the name of nvidia's library in a specific file to make it "go"

[23:03:39]

Dagmar:

...and they're all entirely wrong as well.

[23:03:49]

Dagmar:

cdent: yeah

[23:04:03]

Dagmar:

Like, specifically, here I'm using loggedcommand configure "./configure --prefix=/usr --cpu=$PKG_ARCH --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-ccache --enable-ivtv --disable-distcc --enable-lirc --enable-mmx --with-bindings=perl,python --enable-opengl-vsync"

[23:04:20]

cdent:

cool

[23:04:32]

Dagmar:

Actually I should drop the --prefix=/usr from that since it's legacy for this engine, but you shouldn't

[23:04:56]

cdent:

Dagmar: yeah, that's something I would like to figure out, what ./configure switches I should use to get the most optimization from my kind of cpu

[23:05:04]

Dagmar:

Years ago I got tired of dealing with building something and then a year later rebuilding it, forgetting exactly how I compiled it the last time, and suddenly losing critical features

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Dagmar:

cdent: That's another thing you let it autodetect if it damn well pleases.

[23:05:26]

Dagmar:

ESPECIALLY in the case of this one

[23:05:30]

iamlindoro:

Some POS media streamer makes the top page at EngadgetHD, cue the users list questions about it being a perfect hackable myth frontend in 3...2...

[23:06:10]

Dagmar:

cdent: There's stuff in there that's actually *broken* which came over from ffmpeg which will do completly retarded things if you specify more than just that one argument to configure

[23:06:21]

cdent:

Dagmar: that may be what is happening in this case, I may have used other ./configure switches last time building 0.21-fixes rev 17892 and just forgot to put them back in my script that does the building

[23:06:56]

Dagmar:

Here, loggedcommand() resolved that line to ./configure --prefix=/usr --cpu=k8 --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-ccache --enable-ivtv --disable-distcc --enable-lirc --enable-mmx --with-bindings=perl,python --enable-opengl-vsync

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Dagmar:

(The engine I use also keeps *logs* of what it did so I can go back to them)

[23:07:24]

cdent:

cool

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Seriously, that looks pretty neat. ;-)

[23:07:57]

Dagmar:

cdent: Watch the output of the make very carefully when it gets to teh avcodec stuff and you'll see it doing some pretty specific optimizations

[23:08:11]

iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, Meh, to me it's not that much more interesting than the NMT, Popcornhour, Sage Extender, etc.

[23:10:04]

Dagmar:

God I love how everythign with lidocaine in it twinges like hell for about 15 minutes after you apply it

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Guest85272:

is this caused by network bottleneck, cpu bottleneck, or video card bottleneck? : NVP: prebuffering pause

[23:10:20]

Dagmar:

I'm trying to not just grab and crush the keyboard half the time here

[23:10:20]

iamlindoro:

yes

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Dagmar:

Guest85272: iamlindoro's answer is good.

[23:10:50]

Dagmar:

Unless your *picture stutters* it's not an error

[23:11:11]

Guest85272:

my picture/audio stutters here and there

[23:11:20]

Dagmar:

Then it could be any or all of the above

[23:11:52]

Guest85272:

not a very helpful error then lol. catchall errors are a pain to troubleshoot.

[23:12:16]

Dagmar:

It's not an error message.

[23:12:18]

cdent:

is ffmpeg built into mythtv?

[23:12:26]

Guest85272:

symantics ;)

[23:12:30]

iamlindoro:

portions of it are, yes

[23:12:30]

Dagmar:

cdent: There's a fork of it that is built into it

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iamlindoro:

libavcodec/format/util

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Dagmar:

They resynch every so often

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Dagmar:

The last time they did it they got some wonderfully retarded CPU autodetection code

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cdent:

cool, i wasn't sure if that was the cause of my XvMC issue, that I was using an outdated version

[23:13:04]

Dagmar:

Not sure if that's fixed yet or not which is why I was saying pay close attention to the make output

[23:13:35]

Dagmar:

The misdetection doesn't do anything bad enough to cause a crash, it just means some stuff runs slowerer than it otherwise would

[23:14:18]

cdent:

Dagmar: hmmm, I'm not sure what to look for

[23:14:23]

Dagmar:

I can't remember the name of it right now, but theres one math op in particular it had a check for that it subsequently get turned around on if you supplied more than just the --cpu argument and it would use a fallback method instead of the one that relied on the fast CPU op

[23:14:31]

Dagmar:

cdent: Then don't worry about it much

[23:14:40]

Dagmar:

It won't make more than a 10% difference to anything on the worst day

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Guest85272:

dagmar: http://pastebin.com/m4c4a49ea

[23:15:24]

cdent:

Dagmar: hopefully, the 10% won't affect my XvMC playback of hi-def, but it makes the most sense now that I was just using the wrong ./configure switches

[23:15:31]

Dagmar:

Like, my scooter is supposed to take 95 octane gas. They don't sell it here. Last week we had a bit of a run on gas and I had to fill it with 87 octane.

[23:15:42]

Dagmar:

It's not what I was *supposed* to do, but the thing still runs

[23:15:50]

Dagmar:

cdent: You're in luck!

[23:15:56]

Dagmar:

XvMC doesn't help a bit against HD.

[23:16:05]

Dagmar:

It only affects MPEG content.

[23:16:34]

cdent:

Dagmar: what do you mean? i think broadcast digital hd tv in the states use mpeg-2

[23:16:35]

Dagmar:

Guest85272: I blame MacOS

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Dagmar:

cdent: I'll put it this way

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Dagmar:

IF XvMC is doing the decoding, then what ffmpeg does doesn't matter.

[23:17:38]

cdent:

Dagmar: yes, that's what I thought too, but I'm at a loss, so I was trying to think of everything

[23:17:46]

Dagmar:

You'll drive yourself insane if you try to work around every little possible problem that _doesn't_ result in stuttering video

[23:17:55]

Guest85272:

dagmar: if its a network streaming issue, what could I tweak on that end? i know mplayer has the -cache 8192 but this is the mythtv builtin player

[23:18:05]

cdent:

Dagmar: well it was very good before, but now it's not good at all =(

[23:18:21]

cdent:

Dagmar: and I'm sure I was using XvMC and haven't changed drivers

[23:18:21]

Dagmar:

Guest85272: Stop using wireless? Get a tester and test your network cable? Stop using cat3?

[23:18:49]

Guest85272:

100mb cat6 between server and front end

[23:19:26]

Guest85272:

but i still have to do -cache for mplayer

[23:19:31]

cdent:

Dagmar: could you take a look at this, does the mc_type of just MPEG1 mean anything to you? http://pastebin.ca/1217392

[23:19:52]

Guest85272:

there is no equivilent for the built in player?

[23:19:56]

Dagmar:

This is all you need to worry about

[23:19:58]

Dagmar:

info for adaptor 0 [NV17 Video Overlay]

[23:20:30]

Dagmar:

When you see NVnn and NVIDIA appearing in those, unless you broke the driver somehow, it's as configured as it's going to get

[23:20:36]

cdent:

Dagmar: ok, cool

[23:21:29]

Dagmar:

Anything and everything one would need to know about the XvMC configuration is in the nVidia README. Some people get a bit more oomph out of setting the UseEvents flag

[23:21:54]

Dagmar:

If you installed glitz or emerald or compiz or one of those things, go turn it back off

[23:22:08]

Dagmar:

compiz and this don't play well together.

[23:22:31]

cdent:

Dagmar: I'm pretty well educated on all of that stuff, I think, I went though all of it when I got XvMC working

[23:23:01]

cdent:

Dagmar: I know about the UseEvents, Compsite Extension, using AGPGART vs NvAGP

[23:23:19]

Dagmar:

I've always let the kernel's AGP driver do it's thing

[23:24:03]

cdent:

Dagmar: when I was going through the process of trying to get XvMC working, I tried to get NvAGP but couldn't, I think it's cause NVIDIA doesn't support my mobo chipset, but I never found out for sure

[23:24:27]

Dagmar:

...or because the kernel drivers already kicked in and that's not something you can get them to let go of.

[23:25:15]

cdent:

Dagmar: well, what I did was blacklist the module or something to prevent it from loading so NvAGP would load, but never did, I'm not a linux guru, so I might be explaining it incorrectly or what I did was incorrect

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btQuark:

did anyone of you have a guess if it is possible to make use of the uvd in amds 780g chipset?

[23:37:05]

btQuark:

some radeon

[23:37:41]

btQuark:

they say it only works with windows and cybertek dvdplayersoftware

[23:37:44]

iamlindoro:

No, it is no possible.

[23:38:06]

iamlindoro:

There is no hardware video acceleration of any kind on ATI cards in linux.

[23:38:09]

btQuark:

pity, bot good to know

[23:38:35]

iamlindoro:

And what little there is for Nvidia/Intel cards is a tiny bit of offload for MPEG-2, so useless for real HD codecs.

[23:38:39]

btQuark:

even not with their own frglxdriver?

[23:38:44]

iamlindoro:

no, not even then

[23:38:50]

iamlindoro:

Not possible means not possible.

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btQuark:

aww

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iamlindoro:

There is almost no hardware video offload in Linux whatsoever. Spend money on a powerful processor, that's the solution for now.

[23:39:52]

btQuark:

i'll rather go with "screw hd "

[23:40:09]

iamlindoro:

To each his own, I like mine.

[23:41:24]

cdent:

i like my HD too

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btQuark:

i'ld be pleased enough to get easier setup of the iec958 outputs with linux

[23:41:34]

cdent:

if I could getit working again... =)

[23:41:46]

btQuark:

we only have major bullcrap on tv here in hd

[23:42:09]

btQuark:

and i dont know any movies i'ld be intrested in that are available in hd

[23:42:29]

btQuark:

well, tv in sd is crap more than 50% nevertheless

[23:42:41]

mzb_d800:

I can't say for sure if my config is correct, but SD mpeg2 at ~30% CPU on a P3–866 + mx420, and 5% CPU on an M10K tend to suggest I've got something right (I also script my builds)

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cdent:

what's a M10K?

[23:43:27]

mzb_d800:

epia m10000

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cdent:

ah

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cdent:

mzb_d800: are you refering to the xvmc-opengl question?

[23:43:55]

mzb_d800:

yes, among others

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cdent:

mzb_d800: it's great it works for you, and if I can get my XvMC working, I want to enable xvmc-opengl too so I can get more performance

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mzb_d800:

as I said, on my nv machine (one has recently been retired) those are the _only_ two switches for my configure

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iamlindoro:

opengl for video is *worse* performance in linux, not better

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mzb_d800:

every else is autodetect

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iamlindoro:

versus real Xv, anyway

[23:45:52]

mzb_d800:

not sure if I have opengl enabled, or even what the switch specifically does, but doesn't seem to hurt performance

[23:46:07]

mzb_d800:

(maybe I haven't enabled something in the FE;)

[23:46:28]

cdent:

mzb_d800: xmvc-opengl is a blit that you can select in the playback profile

[23:46:32]

iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, not an indictment of you, just trying to set him straight

[23:46:37]

mzb_d800:

k

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mzb_d800:

ah .. well I don't use that

[23:47:29]

iamlindoro:

Hmm... Comcast has been keeping some of the fall premieres at astonishingly high bitrates (for them)

[23:47:56]

iamlindoro:

This week's Fringe averages 17 Mbit, which is damn good for Comcast

[23:48:07]

cdent:

mzb_d800: if you're not using xvmc-opengl, then you may be able to just do ./configure with no switches

[23:48:30]

mzb_d800:

possibly ... but I had issues with the lib being detected (iirc)

[23:49:10]

mzb_d800:

next problem is _when_ to move my BE ... not sure about reception quality at the new place yet ... and lots of reasonable movies on atm

[23:49:12]

mzb_d800:

*sigh*

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mzb_d800:

time to work on the garage

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** mzb_d800 staggers downstairs **

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cdent:

Dagmar: r u still there?

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