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Sunday, September 28th, 2008, 00:06 UTC

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jamesd:

dustybin, webmin has clustering features that really rocks

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dustybin:

jamesd: aye thanks

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dustybin:

jamesd: would be nice to monitor all machines

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jamesd:

nagios is good for monitoring... webmin just handles services and executing commands across the group

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dustybin:

jamesd: ace

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dustybin:

clev: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html

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** clev scratches his head **

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** dustybin unix fingers clev **

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clev:

i never asked about that

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clev:

but it does look interesting

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GreyFoxx:

Cool. thetvdb.com is kinda neat. just spend an hour writing a tv metadata+covershot grabber. Kinda nice having an xml interface to pull from

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/tvinfo2.jpg

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jduggan:

do you manually have to enter a program id to get that info?

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GreyFoxx:

Nope,

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jduggan:

or you can search

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jduggan:

does it parse filename?

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GreyFoxx:

the script parses the filename, finds the title and info then grabs the episode details

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jduggan:

sweet

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GreyFoxx:

I gotta clean it up , and make it grab the Show cover poster as well, but that's easy stuff

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dustybin:

am i right in thinking that parsers sometimes dont have a long life span because servers might change configurations etc

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jduggan:

will be useful for me and my `legitimate` tv seasons

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GreyFoxx:

I always name my files "cleanly" but I have a seperate script for sanitizing the names as well

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GreyFoxx:

dusty: This isn't a screenscraper

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dustybin:

aye ok

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GreyFoxx:

It's a developers XML interface

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dustybin:

i see

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GreyFoxx:

specifically for this sort of thing.

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dustybin:

did you use any regex

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GreyFoxx:

for parsing the filename of course

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dustybin:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

there is no real other way to do it

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GreyFoxx:

not unless you want a person to hand enter it for each

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: was that coded in C++ ?

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GreyFoxx:

perl

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dustybin:

ok

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GreyFoxx:

287 lines of perl, a lot of which is comments and debug statements heh

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GreyFoxx:

so ~200 when I'm done

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dustybin:

jeeeeeze

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dustybin:

complex

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GreyFoxx:

hahah hardly

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dustybin:

well for you it might not be

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GreyFoxx:

unless you are use to "Hello World" it's not a lot :)

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dustybin:

regex is like learning chinese

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dustybin:

to me

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GreyFoxx:

there is like, 1 mmaybe 2 regex's in the whole thing

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mchou:

regex is simple. debugging perl is a bitch

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GreyFoxx:

the rest is Grabbing series, grabbing episode, grabbing cover, writing data to database

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dustybin:

what kind of stuff goes wrong with perl?

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GreyFoxx:

It's just not the flavour of the month

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dustybin:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

your not a cool kid unless you piss on perl and call python home

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dustybin:

do you have to freemalloc() when you write perl scripts

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GreyFoxx:

kinda like how postgres users are about mysql

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GreyFoxx:

dusty: no :)

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mchou:

dustybin: perl is unreadable and is not compact

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dustybin:

can python do all what perl can do

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GreyFoxx:

like all code, it's unreadable if written that way

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dustybin:

yep

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sloof3:

Could someone recommend a PCI-Express ATSC/NTSC tuner that works without too much trouble with MythTV? Bonus if it's a dual tuner. I wanted to use the HVR-2250 but the NTSC tuner doesn't appear to work according to the wiki.

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dustybin:

sloof3: pick something out of the hauppauge range

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GreyFoxx:

Man, I saw a bluray player for less than $200. tempting

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mchou:

sloof3: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards

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GreyFoxx:

but I think I'll wait a while yet for linux playback

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mchou:

sloof3: I'd go for the Fusion 5 myself except it's out of production (hard to find now)

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mchou:

sloof3: and If you intend to use the digital tuner avoid Hauppauge. Tuners is weak, requires minimum 3dB over other tuners

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mchou:

sloof3: not to mention it takes forever and a day to tune, lock, etc.

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sloof3:

Thanks for the info

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mchou:

sloof3: go PCI or USB you'd have more choices

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sloof3:

I'm thinking to mobo I go with will be PCIe only

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mchou:

sloof3: well, that's your choice

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Sedorox:

the name is slipping me at the moment.. but what about that dual-tuner HD network device?

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mchou:

sloof3: just remember mythtv backend does not need to be fancy or powerful

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Sedorox:

HDHomeRun

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Sedorox:

thats it

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mchou:

Sedorox: yeah, that's pretty good too

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mchou:

but iirc no NTSC.

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mchou:

it's also quite pricey

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Sedorox:

true

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mchou:

by at least you wont need to recompile v4l-dvb

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mchou:

plug and play really

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mchou:

s/by/but

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mchou:

sloof3: just recruit any old box to be your mythbackend

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sloof3:

I'm trying to tie this computer and the NAS in the same box

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sloof3:

I'd like to use an appletv or a mac mini as a frontend but I'm worried about HD output of the device

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mchou:

wat's the core on a mac mini these days?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, So is the thought to bring that to contrib/?

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mchou:

I mean what speed core?

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sloof3:

1.83GHZ or 2.0GHz COre 2

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mchou:

I dunno, 2.0Ghz is marginal for HD playback

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mchou:

does mac mini do xvmc or Purevideo or whatever it's called in HW?

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sloof3:

Intel GMA 950 is the GPU

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mchou:

sloof3: yeah, the sticky wicket for xvmc is driver support

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mchou:

Intel GPU supports xvmc on linux and windows, no idea re macs

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sloof3:

Can't Linux be placed on the mac mini?

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mchou:

yes

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mchou:

but then what's the point :)

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sloof3:

Small form factor PC already built that I'd assume people have already worked through the problems of a working myth frontend

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sloof3:

More research is required

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squish102:

does any1 know a good page on how to get Xv or openGL working on an ati HD3200?

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mchou:

sloof3: get a PS3 instead :)

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squish102:

how do u know if your video card is using Xv or opengl overlay type?

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fryfrog:

squish102: you pick the setting

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squish102:

ok, and then i run xvinfo and it tells me that it cannot find a video card

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** squish102 keeps on hacking away at it **

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mzb_d800:

justinh: it appears that you can enter new cut points while cut_music is running. You should also be able to change the title. However you can't start a new job on the same recording.

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** iamlindoro kicks it old school, plays Wing Commander III **

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wagnerrp:

i had one of those... i think WC2

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wagnerrp:

i never got it to work right

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GreyFoxx:

iamlin: re my script going to into contrib. I hadn't really thought that far. I just had an itch I felt like scratching

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GreyFoxx:

Haven't considered it yet for use by others :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I think it would be a huge boost to usability to people who use mythvideo like you and me

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I love that series, played it obsessively as a kid

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GreyFoxx:

I likely will make it available after some cleanup and such

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Between that and non-flat/assigned type video folders that would make up most of the usability ground on xbmc

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wagnerrp:

my copy came on a cd with a handful of other games, a 4x Creative CD-ROM, and no manual whatsoever

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iamlindoro:

Not that anyone has implemented the latter

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wagnerrp:

i could never figure out what i was supposed to do in that game

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iamlindoro:

Kill kilrathi, save universe

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wagnerrp:

i mean, control-wise

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iamlindoro:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

iam: assigned type folders?

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GreyFoxx:

You'll have to educate me there as I don't use xbmc :)

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iamlindoro:

arrow keys for direction, tab for afterburn, space for lasers, enter for missiles

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Nor I before playing in the last week, but more or less a folder can be assigned to be TV/Music/Movies, and a grabber assigned for that foler (and its subfolders if you like), then upon startup the grabber runs through the folder as assigned and grabs any new titles

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** GreyFoxx lets the script his Sliders collection **

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GreyFoxx:

err process the collection that is

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GreyFoxx:

iam: Ahhh ok

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GreyFoxx:

hmmm that would be fairly simple

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iamlindoro:

Which allows additional menu items like "TV Shows" and "Music Videos" and whatnot

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iamlindoro:

for discrete collections of movies, TV, music videos

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wagnerrp:

i had a myth-independent script set up like that

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wagnerrp:

but i never got around to setting up any scrapers

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wagnerrp:

it would only grab file information from mplayer

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wagnerrp:

plus a hash to check for duplicates

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I'm probably not explaining it as articulately as I should, either... in addition to setting the type, you can set that a particular folder is a particular show, too

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iamlindoro:

fo, for example, I would set /Mythmedia/Television to type TV, with scraper thetvDB, then I would set the show information on /MythMedia/Television/LOST so that it knows which show it is

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iamlindoro:

Thereafter, it doesn

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iamlindoro:

doesn't need to prompt you, just does regex on the files within to ID the season and episode, and auto downloads the plot info/screenshot/etc

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GreyFoxx:

Right now the grabber uses regex's to determine the show name, and season/episode

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GreyFoxx:

so the only issue is if there are two "Lost" tv shows

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GreyFoxx:

which I haven't encountered yet so haven't looked at

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, in xbmc when you set the show, it shows all the matches from thetvdb and allows you to choose

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iamlindoro:

ie Galactica 1980 and galactica 2003

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iamlindoro:

or whatever

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iamlindoro:

The functionality for that already exists in Mythvideo, of course, ie imdb prompting on multiple hits

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iamlindoro:

oh, and there's the "Adult" type, too, heh

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iamlindoro:

Which works. I'm just sayin'.

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mzb_d800:

is there any particular reason why mythtranscode needs to continue seeking to the end of the file once it's past the last cut point?

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GreyFoxx:

Man, this is kind of cool haven't screenshots for all TV eps

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, I'm fairly certain mythtranscode's primary maintain dropped off the face of the planet about two years ago

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iamlindoro:

maintainer

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mzb_d800:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

It's usually enough to remind me what the show is about right there

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mzb_d800:

is there a better method to replace it?

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mzb_d800:

(ie: for lossless transcode)

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iamlindoro:

There's a terribly painful bug (2077) that has remained open for all of that time that affects many DVB and firewire users, making lossless commercial cut impossible

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mzb_d800:

err ... hmm

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iamlindoro:

That is the bug that affects me more than any other in myth :(

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mzb_d800:

I'm on dvb, and have been doing lossless transcodes for the last 12 mths

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, doesn't affect everyone

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iamlindoro:

seems to be per channel, something about the engineering of the stream

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iamlindoro:

Some channels lossless transcode reliably, others immediately choke

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iamlindoro:

and the owner of the bug has, AFAICT, not been seen in years

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mzb_d800:

ah .. actually I've seen that a couple of times ... I know which channel

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mzb_d800:

that particular channel appears to use more bandwidth fwiw

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mzb_d800:

(1)

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iamlindoro:

I *have* found a windows open source lossless cutter that works on all that stuff, and it works in wine, so that's a medium term solution for me... but without someone to take a better look at it than I can, I don't expect it to get fixed

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mzb_d800:

and (2) ... if there's the slightest "blip" in the signal a lossless transcode can fail

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, yes, it appears to affect my HD channels more than my SD ones

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mzb_d800:

k

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iamlindoro:

The error message is, more or les, "Deadlock detected! One buffer is full while the other is empty! Exiting..."

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iamlindoro:

(I've seen it a *lot*) ;)

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mzb_d800:

while I'm on the subject ... one of the main reasons I like lossless transcodes is that I can cut and then burn (possibly tcrequant if necessary)

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mzb_d800:

err ... actually iirc, my lossless transcodes still work but a mytharchive won't ... the way I get around it is to use SP profile

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mzb_d800:

but (ref: 2 lines back;) lately tcrequant seems to give me very poor quality

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mzb_d800:

I'm having to do all iso's in both unencoded and SP just to check the difference

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mzb_d800:

real pita

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wagnerrp:

of course there is the issue of them taking ~4x the space of other formats

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mzb_d800:

yes, but what I do is burn a dvd then transcode to 4400K mp4

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wagnerrp:

hell, ive decided i cant be bothered burning backup dvds of transcoded media, originals just make it that much worse

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iamlindoro:

DVDs make me feel dirty

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iamlindoro:

They're so... SD.

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wagnerrp:

ive got a spindle of 100, mostly full, that ill probably never end up using

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mzb_d800:

wagnerrp: I'm not burning transcoded material ... it's mpeg2 from the ether! I edit the ads (leave advisory) and cut (lossless) then burn.

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mzb_d800:

but yes ... SD

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mzb_d800:

I can record HD but only one machine can play it ... seems pointless until I get a new TV/display in lounge

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mzb_d800:

which is WHY I burn the DVD's

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wagnerrp:

im just speaking from a backup standpoint

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wagnerrp:

dvds take too much time anymore

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mzb_d800:

at the very least, when I go to HD, the old SD DVD's can be ripped so that SD is the worst I see ... as opposed to transcoded stuff that only looks reasonable on an SD screen

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... I've not got enough hdd space to keep it all

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mzb_d800:

and ${WOMAN} is happier spending $20 here and there for a box of DVD's (and me spending ages burning them) than letting me have a few more drives ... *sigh* ;)

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mzb_d800:

such is life: choice between ${WOMAN} and ${WANTED COMPUTER BITS} ... :))

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wagnerrp:

i appear to have destroyed my hard drive dock

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wagnerrp:

when i shoehorned the USB hub into it, i wired it off the 5V power

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wagnerrp:

except i seem to have shorted the 5V instead

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wagnerrp:

looks like i burned out the 5V side of the switch

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wagnerrp:

guess its time to turn the iron back on

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dustybin:

i just hacked the mythstream theme, made the fonts nice and big

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wagnerrp:

any electronics people in here? suggestions on how to desolder a 6-point switch from a board?

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: #electronics

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dustybin:

i would personally just buy another

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wagnerrp:

well i already went through all the trouble of breaking it, i feel i should attempt to fix it

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dustybin:

you are risking fire

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dustybin:

and also degraded performance

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dustybin:

unless you know what your doing

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wagnerrp:

im not risking degraded performance

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wagnerrp:

wither it will work, or it wont

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wagnerrp:

and an iron doesnt get hot enough to start a fire, unless i drop it on oil based foam or something

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wagnerrp:

more just a risk of burned hands

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dustybin:

:o

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SlicerDicer:

xris: you around?

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, looks like to get these to sort correctly I'll need to pad single digit episodes/seasons with 0's

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fryfrog:

GreyFoxx: its the only way to fly :)

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: have you ever done a marathon hack session? maybe lasting all night

[03:27:20]

GreyFoxx:

many times over the years

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dustybin:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I've watched many sunrises

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dustybin:

lol

[03:28:11]

dustybin:

i remember when i first tried to setup postfix, i was up for 2 days, without washing or eating

[03:29:43]

dustybin:

i never give up on anything, i need to get it working or done or else

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fryfrog:

i find that taking a break from something and doing something else (or sleeping) will often give me some insight.

[03:31:03]

fryfrog:

let my brain work on the problem while i do something else

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wagnerrp:

i find that the insight generally happens about 30 seconds after i lay down

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dustybin:

fryfrog: amazingly that does work, i remember once i nearly gave up on something, getting angry, then i layed on my bed and i thought about a idea on getting it to work, and that worked

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wagnerrp:

and if i wait until morning, the insight is gone

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: ahaha

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fryfrog:

i hate when i think of something totally awesome right before bed... i only ever remember that i thought of something, not what it was :p

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wagnerrp:

ive gotten back up as many as three times in a row

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DarkDrgn2k:

Hey guys, little off topic but any of you ever had to rebuild a raid using IBM's ServeRAID?

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wagnerrp:

think of a fix, get up, hit another bug, go back to bed, think of a fix...

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iamlindoro:

That's a lot off topic

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol i know... this server is just driving me crazy... and its been a week :'(

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DarkDrgn2k:

this is time i should be spending with my myth box!!!!

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DarkDrgn2k:

lol i know... this server is just driving me crazy... and its been a week :'(

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DarkDrgn2k:

this is time i should be spending with my myth box!!!!

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wagnerrp:

why are the neighbors running their sprinklers at 12:30 at night...

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cesman:

because the ground soaks up the water better as opossed to 12:30 PM ;)

[04:19:04]

fryfrog:

better to water at night (well, early early morning)

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fryfrog:

less evaporation, etc

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cesman:

right

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wagnerrp:

better to water at sunrise, so the grass can acually use it

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wagnerrp:

rather than the middle of the night where it will just drain off

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fryfrog:

yeah, i think i've read or hear that 4–6 is the best time

[04:20:00]

fryfrog:

but midnight is probably better than noon :p

[04:20:04]

wagnerrp:

it was running around 9pm

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wagnerrp:

turned off for a while, and now is back on again

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fryfrog:

maybe their auto-timer thing is off :p\

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wagnerrp:

i highly doubt they have an auto-timer

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sloof3:

Since I might go with a PCI based tuner I'm not going back and looking at motherboards with PCI slots. Is there a performance hit with a mobo that has PCI and PCI-Express versus all PCI-Express? I was under the understanding that PCI-Express was all about non-shared bus. Just thought I'd ask for I settle on my mobo choice.

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wagnerrp:

is there a mobo with all PCI-Express?

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sloof3:

sure

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mchou:

sloof3: for tv it's not really gonna matter

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wagnerrp:

other than SFF boxes that only have one port anyway

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wagnerrp:

by the way, PCI-E is not a dedicated bus

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mchou:

sloof3: even if it were stuff to the gills with atsc capture cards you still wont saturate the PCI bus

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sloof3:

This system will also have a decent RAID controller doing RAID 5 on at least 3 drives if that makes a difference

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wagnerrp:

its a single bus with 20 or 40 channels

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wagnerrp:

and the channels are just independently allocated to different devices

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sloof3:

Does PCI-Express 16x take up 16 channels by chance?

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wagnerrp:

decent raid controller... being a discrete card?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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fryfrog:

ah, so a 1x card gets 1 lane/channel

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mchou:

sloof3: what make is raid controller?

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sloof3:

Yes. Wherein the RAID fucntions are offloaded to the card and not the CPU

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wagnerrp:

16 data channels, plus a shared command channel

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mchou:

sloof3: better make sure the raid card doesnt have buggy firmware

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wagnerrp:

hardware RAID starts at around $250, anything else is software, even if its a discrete card

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sloof3:

mchou: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116042

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fryfrog:

yeah, unless a raidcard has cache and its own little cpu you can be sure it is just fake raid

[04:32:41]

wagnerrp:

3ware makes good cards

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sloof3:

Is 256MB enough??

[04:32:48]

sloof3:

I joke

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mchou:

lol

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wagnerrp:

although be aware that is a multi-lane card

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wagnerrp:

you either need a breakout cable, or a multilane capable backplane, to use it

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mchou:

I've never seen a raid card w/o buggy firmware

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wagnerrp:

seems a breakout cable comes with the card...

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sloof3:

There's a breakout included

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: how does that work?

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fryfrog:

you plug it into multiple 1x slots?

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fryfrog:

or a single 8x/16x slot?

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fryfrog:

oh

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fryfrog:

nm

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sloof3:

No it's a one connector on the card which fans out to 4 SATA connectors

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wagnerrp:

multi-lane, meaning multiple SATA lanes in one cable

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fryfrog:

the sata conector you mean

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mchou:

sloof3: I thought you were attempting to go SFF

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sloof3:

mchou: For the frontend I will

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sloof3:

This is the backend/NAS

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mchou:

sloof3: It seems you've taken a 180 degree turn :)

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sloof3:

I usually do

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mchou:

sloof3: I approve of your current choice (raid not witstanding)

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fryfrog:

i still have to say i prefer soft raid and buying 3 more drives than a raid card

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fryfrog:

at least, for computer junk/setups :)

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mchou:

well, I dont even understand why raid is needed on a myth box :)

[04:36:09]

wagnerrp:

matter of preference, i love my raid card

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sloof3:

I'm somewhat protective of my data

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fryfrog:

mchou: true, storage groups are nice

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mchou:

you lose all your recordings, so what? record reruns :)

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sloof3:

Movies too

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fryfrog:

in my case, my raid array is only like 25–50% myth, i store a lot of other stuff on it

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sloof3:

Music, RIPS = time lost

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wagnerrp:

of course there isnt much point to a 4-drive card, unless it can handle port multipliers

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sloof3:

Are you thinking it should be more

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mchou:

sigh

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fryfrog:

8 or 12

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sloof3:

$$$$

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mchou:

less is better

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fryfrog:

i mean, if you are spending $300+ on a raid card... why not get 8 or more ports?

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wagnerrp:

im thinking theres not much point to spending $330, and only getting 4 ports

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mchou:

less heat, noise

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fryfrog:

I'd *personally* just go with 3 more hard drives and either no raid or linux kernel raid

[04:38:36]

mchou:

and general frustration

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fryfrog:

unless you are building some super important myth setup that is going to have like 10 or 20 frontends

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mchou:

heh

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mchou:

aka. PPV :)

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sloof3:

Nothing like that'

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sloof3:

2 at most

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

for two just use any old box

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fryfrog:

yeah, then honestly a $300 raid card is overkill

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mchou:

sloof3: how many ppl in household?

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wagnerrp:

the 8-port is only $130 more

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fryfrog:

you could have a soft raid on a p3 or old p4 that you'd never be able to outrun data write/read wise

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fryfrog:

i mean, HD is only ~20mbit (almost always going to be less)

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sloof3:

If it's ever more it's telemundo

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wagnerrp:

fryfrog: the first time you try to commflag, you would peak out that software RAID

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mchou:

sloof3: haha!!!!

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sloof3:

I can tell you that from experience...Telemundo is for some reason higher

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mchou:

sloof3: those mexican chicks are haut!!

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: i dunno, mythcommflag eats 100% cpu when my box is idle

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fryfrog:

i don't see much io wait

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wagnerrp:

sloof3: telemundo cannot possibly higher

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mchou:

yeah, mythcommflag is not nice

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fryfrog:

a crappy test with hdparm says i get ~65mb uncached reads

[04:42:23]

wagnerrp:

ATSC is only rated at 19.4Mbps

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sloof3:

SD

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fryfrog:

SD is only like what, 1–2Mbps?

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fryfrog:

if that :p

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wagnerrp:

well then NTSC is whatever your tuner card spits out

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wagnerrp:

mpeg cards peak around 12mbps

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mchou:

actually you set that in myth :)

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fryfrog:

i think standard is 2.2

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fryfrog:

er, default

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wagnerrp:

i suppose framegrabbers technically pump some 35MB/s

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sloof3:

I believe it was MPEG-2 SD – Telemundo always had a higher bitrate that even sports off the satellite

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wagnerrp:

but one would hope youre not storing that raw

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mchou:

what???

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sloof3:

mchou: what???

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mchou:

<sloof3> I believe it was MPEG-2 SD – Telemundo always had a higher bitrate that even sports off the satellite

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fryfrog:

i also ask, whaa???

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wagnerrp:

whaaa???? zaaaauuppp???

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sloof3:

Coming off the IPTV encoders

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mchou:

sloof3: seriously, that statement makes no sense

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sloof3:

I work for an IPTV procider

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sloof3:

provider*

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mchou:

oh shit

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mchou:

I told you it was PPV

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mchou:

lol

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sloof3:

It's not for them

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mchou:

I dont even understand how that works

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sloof3:

Since someone brought it up...yes 20Mbps MPEG-2 HD is a fact...just ask the STB we choked with it

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mchou:

what uber satellite is Telemundo using??

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine they would distribute something that you couldnt just re-broadcast directly

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mchou:

freaking Hughes doesnt even have enough bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

but having no experience, i cant really argue either

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sloof3:

Beats me. Not so much the satellite but something to do with the content. Usually sports are higher bitrate but Telemundo or another Spanish channel is higher

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mchou:

umm, not quite

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mchou:

you launch a satellite that doesnt imply you have virtually infinite bandwidth

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fryfrog:

say it aint so!

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mchou:

lol

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sloof3:

I never said it did.

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wagnerrp:

no, but i dare say you have a couple hundred mbps to use with it

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sloof3:

I'm just saying compared to other SD MPEG-2 streams that channel is for some unknown reason higher

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wagnerrp:

i would hope you would at least get that much on a $50M satellite, and half a billion launch

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mchou:

Telemundo must be rich if they can afford their OWN satellite

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fryfrog:

TELEMUNDO!!!!

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sloof3:

They don't...

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fryfrog:

GOOOOOOAAAAAALLLLL!!!!

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sloof3:

It's all aggragated and then pulled back down to us from multiple satellites

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mchou:

tell those IPTV folks to buy more efficent encoders

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mchou:

tell them to stop bein cheap

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mchou:

[21:46] <sloof3> Coming off the IPTV encoders

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sloof3:

There's no such thing

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mchou:

sloof3: hey, I'm quoting YOU

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wagnerrp:

well youre using mpeg-2... so there are more efficient encoders

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sloof3:

QPSK (or whatever is) -> MPEG(2|4) all day long...there's not much to it

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sloof3:

It would be a waste to use MPEG4 on SD

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wagnerrp:

not at all, bandwidth is bandwidth

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sloof3:

We have plenty of it

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

too bad your scribers dont :)

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mchou:

subscribers*

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sloof3:

When the encoders can cost $40,000 there's a reason not to

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wagnerrp:

theres also the problem of having to replace a $10 decoder with a $50 one

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sloof3:

It's our network end to end...they usually have 100Mbps to the Home/Apartment

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wagnerrp:

wow! the US sucks!

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mchou:

$40K for a headend encoder is NOTHING

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wagnerrp:

i had thought japan was the only country with those kinds of bandwidth

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sloof3:

The STBS can handle MPEG2-SD MPEG4-HD no problem

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sloof3:

I am in the US

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sloof3:

zong!

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sloof3:

zing!*

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wagnerrp:

(except for that one woman in finland with a 40gbps connection)

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wagnerrp:

ah... assumed mexico with telemundo

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sloof3:

mchou: Sometimes we are cheap in all the wrong areas....

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mchou:

sloof3: aiaik nobody uses native IPTV

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sloof3:

There was a technical need for HD MPEG4 encoders

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wagnerrp:

mchou: there is no such thing as 'native iptv'

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sloof3:

mchou: Your info is wrong :)

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wagnerrp:

there are no standards in place, so nothing can be native

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mchou:

sloof3: in fact fios still uses STB boxes from motorola

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sloof3:

FiOS is QAM AFAIK

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sloof3:

Technically not IP

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mchou:

fios is still leveraging Cable infrastructure

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sloof3:

FiOS TV rather

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sloof3:

Well we are ethernet to your STB

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mchou:

so FiosTV remodulates to QAM

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mchou:

and that's is precisely my point

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mchou:

[22:05] <mchou> too bad your scribers dont :)

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mchou:

lol

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sloof3:

It's our network end to end...they usually have 100Mbps to the Home/Apartment

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mchou:

sloof3: where is this network?

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sloof3:

That I cannot divulge. Sorry.

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mchou:

yeah right

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mchou:

uh huh

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iamlindoro:

Saw that coming

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sloof3:

I realize it sounds fishy as hell

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sloof3:

I guess I can tell you it's in Florida.

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iamlindoro:

If you can sell it to customers, you can divulge its existence, ergo, you're full of shit

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sloof3:

You can think that all you want. Our customers don't know some of things I've said tonight in this channel and I'd rather not connect the dots any further.

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mchou:

well well

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wagnerrp:

well i cant imagine there are many people providing 10/100 in florida

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wagnerrp:

or in the US for that matter

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iamlindoro:

If things like using MPEg-2 and 4 are big company secrets, they won't be around for long

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sloof3:

If you have other questions that don't relate to the company I work for or where our specific markets are then I may answer them

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iamlindoro:

ooohhhh, don't tell the customers!

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fryfrog:

thats not fair, many companies don't want any info to escape for good reasons.

[05:15:07]

iamlindoro:

Would hate for them to find out common knowledge info about how TV systems work

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sloof3:

At least someone here gets it

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fryfrog:

what happens if he reveals something that doesn't *seem* like a big deal but the company lawyers have him fired for it?

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sloof3:

When you are as small as we info is not given up easily.

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, He hasn't said *anything* that isn't common practice for every single provider out there

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sloof3:

What I've said could be found out if you were a customer

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fryfrog:

so?

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iamlindoro:

and probably in their brochure, no less

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mchou:

well, except 100mbit/s end to end :)

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mchou:

oh 100Mbps, my bad

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fryfrog:

i'd love to talk about some of the cool stuff where i work, but i have to google to see if it is available on the interwebs first :p

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fryfrog:

otherwise i could get the ol "hey, pack your shit" :)

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wagnerrp:

well hopefully youre not eagle broadband, because you cant even manage to keep your website online

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mchou:

haha

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wagnerrp:

rather they cant

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Gimpy:

what is the keyboard command to return to the guide from live tv? I couldn't find one looking at the docs (I assume there is one.+

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Gimpy:

)

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Anduin:

Gimpy: s

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Gimpy:

Anduin: thanks, Is lirc a pain for everyone to get working? or just me?, I thaught i had it working but relized that usipg a key txt file would be eanyer the fighting lirc.

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Anduin:

Gimpy: just you

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Gimpy:

ok, just thowin this out there, i had my symlink setup and appared to be working yesterday but decided to update and my symlink whdnt from event 6 to bus/usb01/02

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Gimpy:

Anduin: I haven't realy checked out mythgame but is there an NES ,ATARI emulators for mythgame?

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Anduin:

Gimpy: the hid portion is the event part, bus/usb/blah doesn't exclude anything (though which event number can differ, thus all the steps on that page)

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Anduin:

Gimpy: I don't think I've ever actually run mythgame

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Gimpy:

I can paste my lircd if u want to see it

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Anduin:

Gimpy: your lircd should have nothing to do with it, you should see if the event id changed, if you changed the udev instructions on that page to match a current udev, it should have worked

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Gimpy:

Anduin: i ment(should had said) 10-local-rules not lircd.conf

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Anduin:

Gimpy: in that case, yes, you can still find the proper event number by catting?

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Gimpy:

Anduin: i did it is 6

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Gimpy:

Anduin: the module that comes up i know isn't the right mod

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Anduin:

Still? Because what you said above have me believing it was now otherwise.

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Gimpy:

Anduin: it that the mode was the same as in the readme, but after that the module wauld come up as input* ###(2 -3 lines long)

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Anduin:

Gimpy: well as long as you can find the proper event and get the udev info for that path

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Gimpy:

sudo cat /dev/input/event6

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Gimpy:

T*?H? ?

[06:56:21]

Gimpy:

T*?H ? nT*?H"? T*?Hm

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Gimpy:

?

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Gimpy:

T*?H$m

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Gimpy:

nT*?H&m

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Gimpy:

^C

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Gimpy:

Anduin: can you repost? all i got was "gimpy in that case"

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Anduin:

Still? Because what you said above have me believing it was now otherwise.

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Anduin:

Gimpy: well as long as you can find the proper event and get the udev info for that path

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Gimpy:

http://rafb.net/p/cawsxU48.html

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Gimpy:

thats the info i get i can past my 10-local rules if u'd like

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Anduin:

I would (like you to paste your udev rule part)

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Anduin:

My ability to help diminishes with time and my over drinking

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monkeypet:

I don't know why myth is resizing my HD recordings on playback.

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monkeypet:

I disabled the resize option and running on a 1080p LCD tv.

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justinh:

insufficient data == impossible to give solution :)

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jduggan:

gbee !

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jduggan:

i got my aa1

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jduggan:

:D

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gbee:

jduggan: cool, happy with it so far?

[10:20:16]

jduggan:

gbee: well, live update hosed the network manager

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jduggan:

which is a known bug apparently

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jduggan:

just means i have to set my network up manually

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gbee:

jduggan: later update fixes it again

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gbee:

at least it did here

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jduggan:

but thats fine with me

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jduggan:

gbee: hmm, not fixed here

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gbee:

:/

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jduggan:

maybe i need to force an update

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gbee:

which colour did you go for?

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jduggan:

i cant stand fedora, but it boots so fast and other distros seemto have minor bugs

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jduggan:

blue

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jduggan:

can you remember the app name

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jduggan:

for the network settings

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** jduggan googles **

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gbee:

I was holding out for a blue, but you just couldn't get them anywhere – more popular than the white, in the end that combined with fingerprints showing up more on the blue meant I got a white instead

[10:22:53]

gbee:

NetworkManager or something

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gbee:

capitalisation intentional

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jduggan:

well

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jduggan:

I got mine from currys

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jduggan:

i asked for a blue, she was uhming and aring then said there's only white in stock

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jduggan:

so i asked if she could go get the white so i could see it in person

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jduggan:

but she brought back two boxes and said there was a blue one that wasnt on the system, so took that

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jduggan:

but youre right about finger prints, its so glossy looking it shows prints etc quite bad hehe

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laga:

gbee: heh. nice. you get flak for adding whitespace in commits and then you get flak for removing it

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mzb_d800:

s/ / /

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mzb_d800:

;)

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mzb_d800:

out of interest, what is an aa1?

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laga:

some netbook

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mzb_d800:

k, brand?

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gbee:

laga: far as I know I've only ever removed whitespace, it should never have existed in the first place and yet some people don't like it being removed once it's there ;)

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laga:

:)

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laga:

bug triaging is about the only useful thing i can do with a cold :(

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mzb_d800:

trivia in comparison?

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mzb_d800:

(to the real thing)

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gbee:

I'd understand if patch, svn diff, trac etc didn't have options to ignore whitespace

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gbee:

mzb_d800: Acer Aspire One

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mzb_d800:

k, thanks gbee

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mzb_d800:

(score: House of the Rising Sun video!;))

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jduggan:

gbee: forced update fixed the network settings

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** mzb_d800 does a silly dance **

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gbee:

I've updated kpowersave to replace their crippled version, gives far more information and useful settings

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jduggan:

hmm, the integrated 'mobile broadband' part of networkmanager has no way to dial the account you created

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jduggan:

whichis useless

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jduggan:

just spent 20minutes getting wvdial working with my sonyericcson/vodafone gprs

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jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

i saw a forum post regarding kpowersave

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jduggan:

should put that on my list of things to upgrade

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linuxwanabe:

can anyone give me advice on how to test if my video card is installed properly. its an ati radeon 9700 and myth tv is jumpy & so is audio.

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linuxwanabe:

i get the 30 frames behind audio msg during my viewing experience and have attempted to install the fglx drivers

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gbee:

linuxwanabe: which version of the fglrx drivers?

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gbee:

sounds like it's a version which doesn't include xvideo

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gbee:

or you need to add: Option "TexturedVideo" "on"

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gbee:

to the device section of your /etx/X11/XF86Config file

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gbee:

aka /etc/X11/Xorg.conf

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gbee:

try that first

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mchou:

linuxwanabe: were you watching "live" tv or a pre-recorded program?

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laga:

hum. my girlfriend just saw my vim session and told me other people get a lot of money for coding :(

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gbee:

mchou: it's one of the above too issues, leaning towards the latter, the X config option which is required to enable XVideo with the fglrx driver

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lyricnz_:

So, if I have a DVB system, with DVI out to my 1080p plasma, and record a HD channel, why does it look so much (much much) worse watching the recording, than watching live tv? No transcoding etc involved.

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mchou:

weird

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mchou:

dvb should be a straight up mpeg2 stream from the source

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lyricnz_:

Absolutely. I think the problem is in playback/output.

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mchou:

so unless you set some funky display filters or something there should be no diff in PQ

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lyricnz_:

It looks like wierd interlacing/framerate/mangling

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laga:

how current is your release-0-21-fixes checkout?

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mchou:

check you playback profiles

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mchou:

your*

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lyricnz_:

It's within the last month or two – r16468

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lyricnz_:

Oh that's older than that...

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lyricnz_:

6–7 months

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laga:

you should try upgrading. i bet you're affected by a bug:

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laga:

in livetv, the deinterlacer for SDTV is set due to a bug. for recordings, the correct one is set which will look worse

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laga:

you can fix that in the playback profile

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laga:

(w/o upgrading)

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** lyricnz_ can't find that menu option! :) **

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lyricnz_:

fund it. what do I need to change? set to "normal" profile

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lyricnz_:

set to high quality?

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lyricnz_:

linear blend?

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laga:

lyricnz_: there's a page on the wiki

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lyricnz_:

Any idea what I should search the wiki for?

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** lyricnz_ tried to update his mythtv rpms, but couldn't figure out how to generate a new 021-fixes patch **

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lyricnz_:

"svn diff" choked on the binary files

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laga:

"playback profile" would be a good search term

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laga:

neat. mythshutdown from trunk kinda works with a -fixes backend ;)

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Katagia:

Hi. I have some problems to set up mythtv with opensuse 11. mythtv-config can't connect to database. But the setings are right. In console I get this errors: No error type from QSqlError? Strange .... and mythtv: could not connect to socket. mysql is running and I can connect to it with "mysql -u mythtv -p"

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Katagia:

Hi. I have some problems to set up mythtv with opensuse 11. mythtv-config can't connect to database. But the setings are right. In console I get this errors: No error type from QSqlError? Strange .... and mythtv: could not connect to socket. mysql is running and I can connect to it with "mysql -u mythtv -p". qt3-mysql is installed

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jarle:

Katagia: mythtv backend and mysql running on the same machine?

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Katagia:

Sure it is

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jarle:

Katagia: I'm not quite sure what is cousing your problem, is this your first attempt on setting up a mythtv system?

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Katagia:

Yes it is. But I think I won't stay at it. I was able to get the databse running. I wanted to use mythtv as local media center, nothing with tv cards, There were too much smaller problems, e.g. it is not possible to change NTSC to PAL in setup by keyboard.

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jarle:

Katagia: if you are not going to use the TV-part of the program mythtv is not for you, you should probably look for a program is more of a media center

[14:06:24]

jarle:

Katagia: mythtv is 90% a PVR and 10% media player

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jarle:

Katagia: for a media player only you could have a look at XBMC for example

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Katagia:

I just figgured it out. Thank you for your help

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perlmonkey:

my mythtv has stopped working :( getting blank screen on all frontends when watching tv, seems unresponsive/no osd, but returns to menu after a while

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perlmonkey:

2008-09–28 15:18:46.814 TV Error: StartRecorder() — timed out waiting for recorder to start 2008-09–28 15:18:46.815 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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perlmonkey:

what could cause recorder not to start?

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perlmonkey:

2008-09–28 15:17:32.084 AutoExpire: Found 0 recorders w/max rate of 0 MiB/min

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laga:

perlmonkey: check the backend log

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jarle:

perlmonkey: maybe something is hogging your tuner cards?

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mkrufky:

anybody know how to test firefire 1394 video connection to the set top box BEFORE setting up mythtv, just as I would use mplayer to test a DVB card?

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perlmonkey:

ok

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perlmonkey:

thanks guys

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janneg:

mkrufky: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/FireWire#Test-mpeg2

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perlmonkey:

phew strange

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perlmonkey:

I think I uncovered the problem...on master backend log it says RingBuff (path to recording file) Invalid file (fd -l) when opening (path to recording file)

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rooaus:

clev: I have attached a patch to #5734 if you want to try it, should be safe enough.

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rooaus:

g'night

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Beakster:

Hi, why does mythtv continue to work with my remote even when i stop the lirc service?

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perlmonkey:

TVRec(1) /dev/video0 warning MPEG layer 1 does not work properly with ivtv driver, switching to MPEG layer 2 audio instead

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perlmonkey:

/dev/video0 Error: could not set MPEG controls through 0.

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eno: Numerical result out of range (34)

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Beakster:

Hi, why does mythtv continue to work with my remote even when i stop the lirc service?

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gregL:

Breakster: My guess would be is lirc really isn't stoped..

[15:14:36]

laga:

i'd blame X and /dev/input

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perlmonkey:

what would cause the above error

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perlmonkey:

RingBuff (path to recording file) Invalid file (fd -l) when opening (path to recording file)

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perlmonkey:

*RingBuf

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Beakster:

gregL I did a ps ax and its definitely stopped

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Beakster:

i then removed it and rebooted

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Beakster:

and i can still navigate in Myth

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gregL:

Breakster: What kind of remote?

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Beakster:

Hauppauge

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Beakster:

plugged into a Haup DVB-T card

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perlmonkey:

hmm

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perlmonkey:

maybe have to format box and start again

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perlmonkey:

hi

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perlmonkey:

Error: could not set MPEG controls through 0.

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perlmonkey:

out of options

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mkrufky:

thanx, janneg

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mkrufky:

:-/ looks like my cablebox turns off its component output when DVI / HDMI is in use :-(

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iamlindoro:

ICk

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iamlindoro:

I imagine we'll all be buying HdFury2's sooner than we thought

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** mkrufky googles hd fury 2 **

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iamlindoro:

HDMI -> Component + HDCP removal

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mkrufky:

for six thousand dollars?

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laga:

i wonder how that's legal

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, $149

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mkrufky:

loli thought you had some

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mkrufky:

er, ignore that above

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mkrufky:

http://dv411.com/hdfury.html

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mkrufky:

can i see your 149 link iamlindoro ?

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jams:

fury 1 is 149 fury 2 is 249

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm

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iamlindoro:

yeah, my mistake (and you want the 2, not the 1)

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mkrufky:

ah

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jams:

nick fury is priceless

[15:55:33]

mkrufky:

yeah i think i have to biy one of these :-/

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mkrufky:

i wish there

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mkrufky:

yikes, something wrong with this keyb

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mkrufky:

brb

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... Wonder if it's worth getting the Life on Mars DVDs.. have heard lots of people talking about it in here

[16:04:24]

perlmonkey:

are you outside the UK?

[16:04:26]

gbee:

I wonder how well it translates over there

[16:04:42]

gbee:

and I'm assuming you mean the original and not the US remake

[16:04:47]

iamlindoro:

gbee, We manage to "get" most of the other stuff sent over

[16:04:55]

iamlindoro:

and yeah, not the remake (has that started?)

[16:04:58]

perlmonkey:

is that the series about the detective who goes back to 1970s?

[16:05:26]

gbee:

dunno, last I heard they'd started over with a new location, new cast

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iamlindoro:

I know there's one in the works, but don't think it's started just yet

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perlmonkey:

guess some people have me on ignore

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mkrufky:

...as i was saying.... would be nice if i could programmatically tell the cable box to turn off DVI and go to Component whenever i want to use the HDPVR

[16:07:46]

mkrufky:

but i doubt we get that kind of control at all, esp considering that i cant even do that using the set top's own menus

[16:07:58]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky, yeah... With your cable box the only solution may be HDMI -> HDMI splitter to both HDFury and HDMI input on your TV

[16:08:38]

mkrufky:

...or maybe some of the newer stb's let you use component and dvi (or hdmi) silumtaneously

[16:08:53]

iamlindoro:

I expect your problem is in firmware, not hardware

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mkrufky:

i know this one lets me use component and svideo simultaneously.... but the moment a DVI is plugged in, everything gets locked down

[16:09:13]

iamlindoro:

ie, cable companies being dicks (imagine that!)

[16:09:24]

mkrufky:

yeah you're probably right.... but time warner controls my firmware

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mkrufky:

ya

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Gimpy:

how do i change mythtv's key commands fo guide so that SPACE will will select the hightlighted channel not ESC?

[16:09:51]

mkrufky:

.....and it's not like the component output on my yamaha receiver is helping me at all.... :-(

[16:10:03]

iamlindoro:

Almost all the good TV is back after this week :)

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gbee:

the finale to Life on Mars was pretty satisfying, ok so you have to wait two/three series for it, but it's not at all the cop-out than I expected

[16:10:20]

iamlindoro:

Chuck, Pushing Daisies, Simpsons, Family Guy... woo hoo!

[16:10:30]

mkrufky:

is chuck worth my watching one day?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, oh, good. Maybe I'll give it a shot, then

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I think it's a fun series. And Yvonne Strafdasjlhfdkljh or whatever is sooooooo hot

[16:11:06]

iamlindoro:

and they find a way to put her in her undies every episode, too

[16:11:15]

zabbadapp:

how to change color of the chroma key (i think that's the name) ... I have a crop filter to remove noise (text-tv-data?) at the top and bottom of recordings, but they become green during playback

[16:11:18]

mkrufky:

cool.... it'll be on the to-watch list for whenever i run out... (seems impossible right now)

[16:11:59]

mkrufky:

i'm already itching to watch heroes a 2nd time, now that my new sound system is all (basically) set up... but im holding out till later on tonight

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, It's full of geek humor (ie, there are Zork jokes)

[16:12:23]

mkrufky:

nice

[16:12:31]

gbee:

yeah, Chuck is just light hearted fun – take it at all seriously and you'll not enjoy it

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mkrufky:

pushing daisey's too

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iamlindoro:

gbee, yeah, exactly

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iamlindoro:

and the romance stuff is sweet, too. It was one of my favorite new shows from last year

[16:13:13]

iamlindoro:

alongside Pushing Daisies, of course

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gbee:

*sigh*, local news is that Police have cracked down on illegal taxis at the airport – inspecting more than 100 taxis ...

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I see that Time Warner internet connection is as stable as ever ;)

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mkrufky:

grrrr

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mkrufky:

and im not even running any torrents now

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mkrufky:

usually that happens while i have torrents

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gbee:

typical attempt to attract good press, but utterly pointless – one day a year they go out and inspect 1% of the taxis, invite the media along then the next day they just go back to what they were doing

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Is there some sort of issue with overcharging/cheating or something like that?

[16:18:37]

jamesd:

gbee, yeah those illegal taxis are probably offering better service and making the official ones look bad, and that is something they just can't have.

[16:18:48]

gbee:

iamlindoro: unlicensed drivers, usually overcharging or driving vehicles which just aren't safe to be on the roads

[16:19:11]

gbee:

at least some of them anyway, the rest are just as jamesd says

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gbee:

taxi drivers are supposed to be vetted over here i.e. no Criminal record and no driving offences, vehicle checked for common defects like bad brakes and worn tires – unlicensed drivers save themself the associated costs with applying for licenses – but that just pisses of the licensed drivers/firms

[16:22:59]

gbee:

so once a year you have this pathetic media sideshow, they do the same thing with lorry and van drivers

[16:24:04]

riddlebox:

hrmm charter is going to give my a free dual tuner dvr, I wonder how well it will work

[16:25:57]

laga:

wee, i think i managed to fix my first bug in mythtv

[16:26:29]

jamesd:

1 down 1 million to go ;-)

[16:26:43]

** iamlindoro offers his experienced sexual services for a fix on #2077 **

[16:27:15]

iamlindoro:

heck, you can even tease me by assigning it to someone who has been around in the last two years

[16:27:39]

CCFL_Man3:

iamlindoro: i'm running more coax line

[16:28:07]

laga:

jamesd: naw, only about 500 ;)

[16:28:13]

iamlindoro:

CCFL_Man3, I thought we established that you aren't allowed to talk to me until you have actually built a myth system

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jduggan:

lol

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riddlebox:

ouch

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CCFL_Man3:

oopz

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laga:

iamlindoro: use the projectx workaround? and please don't touch me

[16:29:22]

iamlindoro:

Hey, I'm all for preparatory work, but when you're stretching towards a year without even an attempt, and when you come in here just to talk about stuff because we "do TV," enough is enough

[16:29:27]

iamlindoro:

laga, doesn't work

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laga:

iamlindoro: how?

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iamlindoro:

laga, what do you mean? projectx fails on the streams, too

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laga:

ah.

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laga:

then you're probably out of luck

[16:31:44]

iamlindoro:

AFAICT as far as projectx is concerned, it considers the timecodes invalid and tosses out all the GOPs

[16:31:46]

laga:

i mean, it's projectx!

[16:32:07]

iamlindoro:

Oh, it's definitely *doable*, just not currently with linux alone

[16:32:11]

riddlebox:

does anyone know if you can pull content from a charter dvr?

[16:32:30]

iamlindoro:

for example, there's an open source windows tool called MPEG2Cut2 that allows lossless cut of the same streams

[16:32:33]

wagnerrp:

does it have a component output?

[16:32:42]

wagnerrp:

or other analog output?

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iamlindoro:

Runs in Wine, so that's a workaround for now. Would just be nice to get Mythtranscode capable of handling the streams

[16:33:01]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, I am not sure, I get it next week, they are giving it to me for free

[16:33:35]

wagnerrp:

well you can always recapture the analog outputs of such a device

[16:33:49]

wagnerrp:

but as far as a digital copy of its internal recordings, not likely

[16:33:57]

iamlindoro:

You will not be able to digitally copy it, though, if that's what you're asking

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riddlebox:

wagnerrp, so I could play it on channel 3, and set myth to record channel 3

[16:34:36]

wagnerrp:

or better, you plug it into the svideo port on your capture card

[16:34:48]

riddlebox:

ahh

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laga:

iamlindoro: then port the mpeg2cut2 code to myth? :)

[16:35:01]

wagnerrp:

but best of all, you just record directly in myth, and avoid multiple recompressions

[16:35:41]

iamlindoro:

laga, beyond my capabilities I'm afraid. Not as though I don't generally do everything within my power to solve my own problems, you know.

[16:35:43]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, I do have an irblaster, what I may do is put the dvr in for the fiance's shows, and keep myth just for me

[16:35:54]

RDV_Linux:

Life on Mars comments: I have both seasons and enjoy them very much. The US version of Life on Mars – Oct. 9, 10 p.m. on ABC in the US and Canada. I will be curious how well the US version compares.

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wagnerrp:

life on mars is the time-travelling cop?

[16:38:38]

wagnerrp:

where hes probably just hallucinating in a copa

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perlmonkey:

hi wagnerrp

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gnome42:

iamlindoro: re: #2077 can you make a short clip available that shows the problem?

[16:45:33]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, Yeah, I think I linked a couple in the ticket that are probably still there, but it owuld likely be worth it to make a longer clip for easier editing. Hang on a sec

[16:46:02]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, can you pull content straight from charters digital box as well?

[16:46:49]

wagnerrp:

if you mean plug an analog capture card into your STB, yes

[16:47:06]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: k, cool. bbiab

[16:47:28]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, ohh I thought I read that you can use a firewire card and capture straight from the digital box

[16:47:46]

wagnerrp:

sometimes you cant

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wagnerrp:

often, most of the channels you want to capture are 5c encrypted

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riddlebox:

all I have ever had was standard cable, and now it is cheaper to get digital, so I am new to the digital equipment, I have a pvr500 and a pinnacle 800i right now

[16:48:54]

wagnerrp:

the pinnacle can capture QAM channels

[16:49:05]

wagnerrp:

which typically amount to your local broadcast ATSC channels

[16:49:29]

wagnerrp:

grab a pair of cable boxes, hook them both up to your 500 inputs

[16:49:35]

riddlebox:

yup, the best part of the pinnacle is that it got supported because I gave Steven Toth(the developer) ssh into the box to get it working

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[16:49:54]

wagnerrp:

it would be preferable to get the daughter card for the 500, so you can use the video inputs, rather than the RF tuners

[16:50:10]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I've been thinking of what you mentioned re defining a scrapper for certain Dir's and so on

[16:50:27]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, the daughter card?

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riddlebox:

ohh I think I still got that in my box downstairs

[16:50:54]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yeah?

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wagnerrp:

i believe there is a daughter card for the 500, that plugs into a header on the card, and gives you analog video and audio capture

[16:51:06]

wagnerrp:

instead of RF (coax) only

[16:51:43]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, yeah I think I still have it(I dont throw much away)

[16:52:09]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, I would just have to long cords, the myth pc is in the basement

[16:52:10]

laga:

do you take showersß

[16:52:10]

laga:

;)

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GreyFoxx:

Right now what I've got for grabbing the metadata is just proof of concept, but I think I might rewrite this to support some sort of .info file. And it can define a default grabber for this dir and all subdirs (which an be overridden by their own .info) and it can store the show title/seriesid to help with multiple shows of the same name. So you run it once, it runs through and auto fills in that info letting you choose from multiple shows of th

[16:52:33]

GreyFoxx:

then next time you wont need to do it

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iamlindoro:

Makes sense to me

[16:53:36]

GreyFoxx:

And I can have it output some sort of "there were duplicates for these files" so that if you make it a cronjob or something it could be emailed to you

[16:54:02]

riddlebox:

wagnerrp, I would still have to use the irblaster to change the channel of the digital box though right?

[16:54:07]

GreyFoxx:

ajnd if I store the last updated time based on the XML data tvdb returns it can auto update shows which have updated info/covers

[16:54:13]

GreyFoxx:

then you just cron it or something

[16:54:30]

iamlindoro:

That would be really nice

[16:54:31]

GreyFoxx:

auto fill in needed info, only download covers we don'y already have etc

[16:55:56]

GreyFoxx:

So basically a complete rewrite of what I have now. But now that I've done it once it should be trivial to redo properly

[16:56:27]

GreyFoxx:

That and the scaled image caching, followed by OSD font loading are my 3 top items right now

[16:56:29]

iamlindoro:

That would be amazing.

[16:57:09]

iamlindoro:

AFAICT that's the primary thing that the media squirrel crowd touts as the advantage of media handling in xbmc, so that would be a "nice to have."

[16:57:33]

GreyFoxx:

I'm going to clean up my video rename script too since I prefer santizied uniform names

[16:59:12]

GreyFoxx:

might add in metadata there. So burn.notice.s01e01.avi becomes burn.notice.s01e01.[XVID-MP3].[640x480].avi or some such. But that wont affect the metadata script. Just for the way I like to see my data on the drive

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GreyFoxx:

the file paser handles show.1x1.avi and show.s1e01.avi . I'll mod it to use show.101.avi as well

[17:00:05]

GreyFoxx:

since people use several naming conventions

[17:00:46]

GreyFoxx:

gotta run, taking the kid to the playground :)

[17:00:56]

iamlindoro:

It might be worth stealing the xbmc regex of that part, you can do obscene stuff to the filename and still have it detect properly

[17:01:34]

laga:

has anyone tried the xbmc beta? how's the mythtv support?

[17:01:44]

iamlindoro:

laga, I played with it a bit in the last week

[17:02:13]

iamlindoro:

immediately crashed on attempting to play a recording-- may be because I'm running trunk, though. I'm told by other people that it works pretty well

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iamlindoro:

It's limited to live TV and recordings, though

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iamlindoro:

no EPG, no scheduling, etc.

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laga:

i could live with that. i mainly use mythweb for that

[17:03:32]

iamlindoro:

laga, the larger issue I have found is that their player is well behind Myth's

[17:03:54]

dustybin:

its a bit like re-inventing the wheel

[17:04:03]

iamlindoro:

I have had about ten XBMC crashes that lock X, forching a ctrl-alt-f2 and kill -9, then when you switch back to X the mouse is locked up, forcing an X restart

[17:04:15]

dustybin:

might as will rip out any thing what is worth ripping from xbmc and use it in mythtv

[17:05:12]

laga:

dustybin: send patches

[17:06:11]

laga:

if i could, i'd rip out lots of stuff in mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

gnome42, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2077#comment:20

[17:07:48]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, If you do get a chance to look at it, I know I wouldn't be the only grateful one :)

[17:10:33]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: ok, cool. Not likely I'll be able to do anything.

[17:11:13]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, I go back and forth on whether the problem is a fault in the stream or the buffer management in mythtranscode, but stepping back I feel like it's the latter

[17:12:12]

iamlindoro:

I can pretty reliably lossless transcode most (all?) of my SD channels, but about 80–90% of the HD ones via firewire fail in this manner. Of course, similar bitrate QAM stuff lossless transcodes every time, so maybe it's stream issue after all

[17:12:45]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: yeah, I'm no expert by a long shot but the other transcode problem I looked into turned out to be the stream.

[17:12:59]

iamlindoro:

Neither would surprise me, I suppose

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iamlindoro:

Ah, one other relevant point is that nuvexport works fine on these files, using mythtranscode to do the demuxing, and the concensus seems to be that the issue is in the remuxing of the output

[17:14:35]

gnome42:

so it's 100% firewire related in your case? (Just looking for pattern, 32/64 bit, cutlist/no cutlist etc.)

[17:15:01]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, yes, QAM is fine all the time (for me) and the issue seems mostly HD channels via firewire

[17:15:04]

iamlindoro:

but always firewire

[17:15:35]

gnome42:

k

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iamlindoro:

IIRC mythtranscode imported a version of replex a long time ago to do the remuxing, but I think the two look awfully different from one another these days

[17:17:52]

gbee:

doesn't it just use ffmpeg (well our libs)?

[17:18:29]

iamlindoro:

gbee, not for the remuxing AFAICT

[17:18:36]

iamlindoro:

programs/mythtranscode/replex

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laga:

hum. then resync?

[17:18:55]

gbee:

I've been meaning to look at mythtranscode but I've been under the impression until now that it was just a wrapper around the transcoding capabilities of ffmpeg :)

[17:19:32]

iamlindoro:

myth's is 0.1.4 and the last I can find is 0.1.6, not to say that it would fix the issue at hand

[17:20:26]

iamlindoro:

I suppose I can try my hand at a resync

[17:21:32]

laga:

shouldn't be too hard

[17:21:52]

laga:

maybe you want to diff 0.1.4 with the version in mythtv first to see if there are any differences

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iamlindoro:

I just did so, there's a bit but probably not impossible (although maybe so for me ;) )

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laga:

the changelog for 0.1.6 looks promising.

[17:23:15]

iamlindoro:

nothing ventured, nothing gained, here we go :)

[17:26:15]

iamlindoro:

looks like it might just work if I fix the includes to use the myth imported libav*

[17:26:31]

laga:

it doesnt compile OOTB here

[17:26:41]

laga:

but i'm not keen on fixing it, i'm supposed to be doing homework ;)

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laga:

heh.. i watched iron man last night.

[17:27:53]

iamlindoro:

Think it was more of a jab at me

[17:27:56]

laga:

da da dadada

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iamdustybin:

laga: what was iron man like?

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laga:

iamdustybin: pretty good. i'm not into american comics much (never had the time i guess), but it was a good movie. i'd definitely recommend it

[17:29:12]

iamdustybin:

laga: was it a bit like sin city

[17:29:23]

iamlindoro:

nothing like Sin City

[17:29:27]

iamlindoro:

just a superhero movie

[17:29:29]

laga:

i only watched the first five minutes of sin cit

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iamdustybin:

ok

[17:30:07]

wagnerrp:

it was a bit like sin city in that people died

[17:30:17]

wagnerrp:

thats about the extent of the similarity

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iamdustybin:

right ok

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iamlindoro:

So it's like Sin City in the sense that the Bible is like Sin city?

[17:30:27]

wagnerrp:

oh, and theres drinking!

[17:31:14]

iamlindoro:

or even, like sin city in the sense that *spin city* is like Sin City?

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laga:

tony stark's jokes are pretty good in iron man. oh, and some arab guys are getting their asses kicked, which probably appeals to the american in here ;)

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wagnerrp:

yes, the fact that theyre arab means i hate them

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gbee:

all this time I thought that was an unfair stereotype, now I know otherwise :p

[17:38:46]

wagnerrp:

yes, i hate without thought, unlike people who think long and hard before strapping a bomb to themselves... :)

[17:40:05]

laga:

you never know if people are for real in here or not

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wagnerrp:

no, until i actually meet someone, im indifferent

[17:41:11]

wagnerrp:

although some would claim indifference is worse than hate

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iamlindoro:

hmmm, kay, got it buildingish here, not to fix the makefil

[17:43:17]

laga:

good luck. that'd be most awesome

[17:43:35]

iamlindoro:

er now to

[17:43:46]

iamlindoro:

heh, building is step one, I guess actually working is step two :)

[17:44:07]

gbee:

iamlindoro: your x264 guy wants to play

[17:44:18]

** laga blinks **

[17:44:19]

iamlindoro:

gbee, oh god, dare I look?

[17:45:22]

iamlindoro:

oh sweet fucking jesus

[17:45:38]

iamlindoro:

*sigh*, who has admin rights to revert and lock tha page?

[17:46:03]

** laga looks **

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laga:

huh? ticket number?

[17:46:13]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Co . . . ;oldid=34143

[17:46:16]

laga:

ah, in the wiki

[17:46:16]

iamlindoro:

naw, wiki crap

[17:46:44]

iamlindoro:

Guy being an idiot

[17:46:58]

iamlindoro:

yesterday it was "x264 is sooo much harder to play than AVC!"

[17:47:08]

iamlindoro:

ignoring the fact that they're two terms for the same thing

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I do, but I don't know enough about the subject to say who's right – I'd ban him just for the username but that might just appear unfriendly ;)

[17:47:14]

iamlindoro:

and that x264 isn't a codec

[17:47:18]

laga:

hah

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laga:

user name is "Fuckyou"

[17:47:41]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Well, I'm not correcting it any more then. He *is* wrong

[17:47:55]

iamlindoro:

But I'm not going to raise my blood pressure making sure info is correct on the wiki

[17:48:12]

iamlindoro:

Just gonna take it off my watchlist and let the wolves get these people

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dustybin:

clev: are you there

[17:49:28]

dustybin:

i require your assistance

[17:49:54]

laga:

to the bat mobile

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laga:

iamlindoro: how is it looking?

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squish102:

2

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iamlindoro:

laga, Had some issues, I think this is gonna take me a while-- got it to compile then broke it again, not quite sure why

[18:03:18]

iamlindoro:

Well, I'm sure it's my inexperience, but I'll get there

[18:11:32]

iamlindoro:

ah, there we go, got it again

[18:12:16]

iamlindoro:

Ooof, I am gonna need help getting this diff figured out, though, I think

[18:12:23]

iamlindoro:

mostly for the .pro file

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laga:

there's a diff for the .pro file?

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laga:

s/diff/delta/

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iamlindoro:

a tiny one

[18:15:29]

laga:

i didn't know replex shipped with a .pro file

[18:15:30]

iamlindoro:

dunno quite why it needs it, but needed to make a small change

[18:15:33]

iamlindoro:

it didn't

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iamlindoro:

needed to use/modify the myth one

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iamlindoro:

to get it to compile right as mythreplex versus replex

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laga:

alright ;)

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iamlindoro:

And after all that, I was compiling on a machine not-my-backend, heh, so I can't test it until I rebuild over there, sigh

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xoritor:

i am having real choppy playback using the Internal player with ripped dvds and some avi/mpg/mkv files

[18:31:55]

xoritor:

i eliminated the nfs automount, and have it mounted via fstab for now

[18:32:40]

xoritor:

nfs rw,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,intr,noatime,nodiratime,udp

[18:33:22]

xoritor:

only SOME of the dvds and files have issues... others play perfectly

[18:33:41]

xoritor:

especially if they are nuv files... those seem to work wonderfully

[18:35:02]

xoritor:

if i play them back on the frontend using vlc or mplayer they work fine... it is only the "internal" player that has issues

[18:35:23]

xoritor:

is there something i can tune or tweak to help with this?

[18:37:05]

justinh:

video playback profiles

[18:37:16]

xoritor:

hmm

[18:37:28]

justinh:

leave a high denomination note under your pillow when you go to bed & maybe the clue fairy will visit

[18:37:32]

xoritor:

justinh: i have tried a few different ones

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xoritor:

that was rude

[18:38:30]

xoritor:

what did i do/say to deserve that?

[18:38:37]

laga:

nothing. ;)

[18:38:53]

laga:

dvd playback should be fairly solid, it's just the menus that tend to have problems here.

[18:39:01]

justinh:

well, to help diagnose playback problems, see mythfrontend's log output or just run it from a terminal with one of the many -v options – see -v help

[18:39:02]

laga:

to rule out network issues, you could copy over some files

[18:39:10]

laga:

and that, too.

[18:39:11]

justinh:

e.g. mythfrontend -v playback

[18:39:17]

cesman:

playback w/ internal player via NFS works fine here

[18:39:30]

cesman:

xoritor: when you have an issue, you need to start intestigating the logs

[18:39:39]

xoritor:

i have used the -v network and a few others and not seen any issues really pop up

[18:39:45]

cesman:

or what justinh should stated

[18:39:47]

xoritor:

but i did not use the -v playback

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xoritor:

i will try that next

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justinh:

playback, meaning playback ;)

[18:40:07]

justinh:

seen as the issues are of playing back files

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laga:

-v network is just for internal mythtv communication

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justinh:

furthermore, it might help if there was more info than just 'some files & stuff' to determine the cause

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perlmonkey:

hi

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xoritor:

hmm

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justinh:

like, are said files massive bitrates, tricky to play back h.264 or whatever....

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perlmonkey:

xoritor: hi

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xoritor:

most of them are standard vob files

[18:42:08]

xoritor:

a few are avi the mkv files are huge x264 that i pretty much expected to have some issues with

[18:42:24]

xoritor:

only they did play back fine with mplayer and vlc on that frontend

[18:42:44]

xoritor:

the system is fairly decent

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xoritor:

intel dual core t2500 (2GHz) with 4GB ram

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xoritor:

its a front end only... and has gigabit ethernet

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justinh:

mythtv ain't the best at playing dvds sometimes, I know that much

[18:43:54]

wagnerrp:

memory is inconsequential, as long as youre not swapping

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perlmonkey:

i tried to make dvds and it didnt work

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justinh:

seems to have issues where the bitrate changes a lot :-\

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xoritor:

i was thinking of putting /tmp and /var/tmp in ram (ramdisk) you guys think that may help?

[18:45:05]

laga:

no

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wagnerrp:

only if you write an assload of data to them

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xoritor:

i was thinking maybe the xorg sockets

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wagnerrp:

assload, being sustined several MB/s, or several hundred files/s

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xoritor:

etc...

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justinh:

heh video drivers are a good place to look at playback problems too – and since 'well xine et al play the files just fine' is no indication the drivers aren't screwed either

[18:47:01]

xoritor:

interesting... i have actually used some swap on that system

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justinh:

I think you can safely disregard swapping

[18:47:37]

justinh:

look in the playback log

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xoritor:

thx for the tips everyone... i will let you know if i find anything useful (if you want to hear it)

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perlmonkey:

xoritor: welcome

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justinh:

just remember not to interpret the log output yourself – some people have been known to selt-filter vital info that way – also – use a pastebin when you do come back with logs ;)

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nyu:

hi

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nyu:

does mythtv work on a Neuros OSD?

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wagnerrp:

does neuros OSD run linux, with X drivers supporting Xv?

[19:31:44]

nyu:

wagnerrp: yes. but I'm wondering about the IR remote control

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wagnerrp:

does the IR work with LIRC?

[19:31:57]

nyu:

well, I'm not so sure about X (maybe it's a framebuffer?)

[19:32:11]

nyu:

no idea. is LIRC a standard for IR control?

[19:32:16]

wagnerrp:

yes

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nyu:

I can try to find that out..

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wagnerrp:

standard for linux anyway

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nyu:

I'm also unsure about performance. I've read somewhere (a 2006 comment) that mythtv is meant for higher-end PCs than a neuros

[19:33:12]

nyu:

but I'm not sure if this has changed

[19:33:27]

nyu:

well, the neuros is not a PC, but you get what I mean

[19:33:59]

Redhammer:

hello, what is the best way to burn a dvb recording to dvd, I am currently doing it manually, ie projectx avidemux mandvd

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wagnerrp:

Redhammer: mytharchive

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cesman:

MythArchive

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Redhammer:

ah let me look up mytharchive

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laga:

with projectx

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gbee:

nyu: even Neuros are looking at running mythfrontend on the device

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cesman:

hi gbee, how goes it?

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gbee:

hi cesman, not bad, you?

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Redhammer:

wow the description looks well powerful (of mytharchive), will it get messed up if I have mythrename'd my files

[19:36:35]

cesman:

well thanks

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cesman:

Redhammer: MythArchive runs from the frontend itself, it will find the files in the db and ask which ones you want to burn

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nyu:

gbee: oh

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nyu:

gbee: not there yet?

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Redhammer:

one other question, I (still :D) have trouble getting clean reception from two muxes , is it worth while to amplify and then attenuate them

[19:37:33]

wagnerrp:

seems the neuros runs completely off the firmware?

[19:38:29]

nyu:

wagnerrp: it has massive storage somewhere, so even if true it can be changed

[19:39:05]

nyu:

anyway, maybe I should rephrase my question into: what's a good hardware for mythtv / DVB-T usage?

[19:39:18]

wagnerrp:

nyu: well if nothing else, you can always use upnp

[19:39:37]

nyu:

I heard neuros are very committed to freedom, which I find very important, but if it doesn't work well there....

[19:39:56]

wagnerrp:

neuros and mythtv both support upnp

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nyu:

what's upnp for?

[19:40:17]

nyu:

isn't this a device-over-ethernet thing?

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cesman:

automagically find media withouy any configuration on your part

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wagnerrp:

you stick them both on a network, and if all goes well, the neuros will automatically be able to play recordings, mythvideo, and mythmusic

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nyu:

ah, but what I want is playing from the DVB-T input

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wagnerrp:

you can play recordings, but there is not yet any ability to play livetv

[19:41:28]

nyu:

ah

[19:41:36]

nyu:

you mean mythtv can't act as a channel selector?

[19:41:40]

wagnerrp:

there is also no way to set up recordings over upnp (yet)

[19:42:01]

wagnerrp:

but you can use mythweb if the neuros has a browser

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nyu:

I'm not sure if mythtv is the tool for what I need. suppose I have a box with a DVB-T capture card/usb/whatever, and I want to display it right away to screen, and use some UI to switch channels via IR control

[19:44:13]

nyu:

recording/etc is a nice bonus, though

[19:44:39]

wagnerrp:

well mythtv does not have the ability to display something right to screen

[19:44:51]

wagnerrp:

even on livetv, there is still a several second recording lag

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nyu:

oh

[19:45:37]

nyu:

any idea what would be the right tool for that?

[19:45:50]

wagnerrp:

not off hand

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nyu:

k no problem. thanks for the pointers

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wagnerrp:

anyway, that box claims mpeg4 decoding, which probably means ASP

[19:47:23]

wagnerrp:

if you come across a DVB-T channel using h.264, chances are, you cant do anything

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nyu:

well, I could replace the whole distro ;-)

[19:47:55]

nyu:

and get a player that supports that

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wagnerrp:

at 200mhz, youre not going to be running video decoders in software

[19:48:13]

nyu:

ouch

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nyu:

good spotting

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nyu:

so I give up on neuros. I think I'll un-dust my hacked xbox then

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wagnerrp:

well xbmc has some sort of mythtv integration

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zabbadapp:

imho xbmc's myth-support doesn't work very well atm.

[19:56:39]

justinh:

nothing works on it very well atm, not the new fangled 'atlantis' beta

[19:58:15]

justinh:

they seem to have taken a very bold step backwards for the time being :P

[19:59:01]

wagnerrp:

well except for google, beta still means experimental to everyone else

[19:59:25]

zabbadapp:

the xbmc layout/animation-engine impressed me ... how is the new myth-fe ui going? :-)

[20:00:05]

justinh:

the slowness of the ui didn't impress me. a relatively long period of time when the screen is blank

[20:01:04]

justinh:

some people are more easily impressed

[20:03:33]

zabbadapp:

does the new myth ui change how communication with the B.E works? atm there is a combination of ports, database and exported filesystems. I don't know if it's even possible, but a simpler more unified interface should make it easier for 3rd-party frontends, and/or prototyping new hacks/features ...

[20:03:35]

justinh:

we're getting much more in terms of layout freedom with mythui but if it's animation you want you're going to have to wait longer or get coding

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justinh:

zabbadapp: the current scheme of things ain't gonna change bud

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Cyberai:

Does anyone know how to force a slave backend/frontend to only use it's local tuner for live tv?

[20:04:09]

justinh:

over several people's lifeless bodies, I suspect

[20:04:26]

justinh:

I mean why move things over just to make other people happy?

[20:05:10]

zabbadapp:

i agree, animation is the least important thing ... functionality and stability is king ...

[20:06:22]

justinh:

wagnerrp: anyway I'd put Atlantis more in Alpha territory based on the experience I had with it last night

[20:06:35]

justinh:

if that's the beta... pfff

[20:08:36]

sphery:

Cyberai: by default, a frontend on a system with a local backend will choose a local capture card for LiveTV.

[20:09:29]

sphery:

Cyberai: However, most people disable this by telling Myth to always use the lowest-quality capture card (i.e. with the setting, "Avoid conflicts between live TV and scheduled shows")

[20:09:50]

sphery:

However, the right solution is to just never /ever/ use LiveTV...

[20:10:35]

justinh:

heh I found out there was something 'on now' I wanted to watch so I scheduled a recording of it

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Cyberai:

nope, I have the "Avoid conflicts" option turned off

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Cyberai:

I'm afraid my card isn't working. It's an Air2PC

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zabbadapp:

btw: is the DVB-T settings screen in mythtv-setup ever gonna show up? once upon a time I put the values directly into the database, but when I recently had to change frequencies for a channel there was still nog gui to do it in settings. If it just was available in the mythweb channel settings, it would be fine :-)

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sphery:

Cyberai: I stand corrected. a frontent on a system with a local backend /with a working capture card/ will choose a local capture card for LiveTV. :)

[20:14:30]

Cyberai:

from everything i've read the air2pc is supported. I believe it's a dvb card and i configured it that way.

[20:15:05]

sphery:

zabbadapp: there's a complete rewrite of the channel scanner and the associated channels UI in progress

[20:15:17]

zabbadapp:

great news

[20:15:24]

Cyberai:

is there an app I can use to check to see if it's working like test-mpeg2? I won't be using it as a digital card, only analog.

[20:16:04]

sphery:

Cyberai: haven't used it myself, but I'd recommend checking the backend status page to see if the capture card is showing as "remote on <hostname> and is not recording"

[20:16:11]

cesman:

Cyberai: by default, slaves will only only use thier tuners for livetv

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cesman:

Cyberai: if it isn't, I'd suspect mythtv-backend isn't running on the slave

[20:16:31]

sphery:

if not, your card is probably not properly configured

[20:16:44]

Cyberai:

yeah, i think it's not set up right

[20:16:46]

Cyberai:

hmmmm

[20:18:22]

sphery:

note, also, it may be the kernel drivers/firmware/... that's improperly configured rather than the mythtv capture card configuration

[20:19:19]

Cyberai:

hmmm, is there a way to check to see which input is recording a program while it's in progress?

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Cyberai:

I jsut set up a recording, but I am not sure if it's using the internal card or one on the master backend

[20:20:30]

sphery:

Cyberai: I use the backend status page

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ipstatic:

Hello all

[20:21:33]

sphery:

Cyberai: also, if you name your card inputs (in mythtv-setup/Input Connections), it will show the input name in LiveTV rather than just a cardid

[20:21:48]

Cyberai:

sphery, I am seeing a message on that page that says "Encoder 7 is local on localhost.localdomain and is recording: 'NFL Postgame' on WKRC. This recording will end at 4:30 PM". I assume that if it were recording on the master it would list the master's IP instead of localhost.localdomain?

[20:22:20]

ipstatic:

I am trying to figure out the best card to buy for my new myth box. I need to be able to capture analog cable (NTSC) and also local HD channels that are also sent by our cable provider (QAM). I have been looking at the pchdtv 5500 and the WinTV-PVR-USB2. Anyone else have any good suggestions?

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ipstatic:

I would love a hardware encoder for the the analog channels, so that way I can use my older machine for the backend. That is why I am leaning towards the WinTV-PVR-USB2.

[20:23:04]

sphery:

Cyberai: I'm guessing you have both of your systems set up with localhost as the hostname/unique identifier. I think you need to use real IP's, instead (since you have multiple backends)

[20:23:19]

Cyberai:

sphery, darn it, I started a second recording and tehy both say localhost

[20:23:51]

Cyberai:

ok, I have to come back to this, gotta run. but thanks sphery

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sphery:

ipstatic: that's exactly what I was going to recommend... The best capture card for you is 2--a digital capture card for HD and a PVR-x50 for analog.

[20:25:02]

sphery:

As a matter of fact, I would highly recommend that anyone who's setting up a hybrid (HDTV/SDTV) system /never/ try to use the analog frame grabber portion of their HDTV capture card for analog capture.

[20:25:04]

ipstatic:

sphery: really? would the WinTV-PVR-USB2 not suffice for both? If i am not mistaken, it has a hardware encoder correct?

[20:25:27]

sphery:

No idea, but regardless, I say keep them separate.

[20:25:40]

sphery:

Or just ditch the whole analog idea. :) OTA ftw!

[20:25:52]

ipstatic:

I wish, but the wife does not want to lose her channels!

[20:25:57]

iamlindoro:

Unless you are like iamlindoro and live behind a hill :(

[20:26:08]

ipstatic:

however she does like the HD channels

[20:26:12]

ipstatic:

i have spoiled her :)

[20:26:33]

sphery:

that's why they make Caterpillar equipment... (Perhaps I could get you a deal on some--my brother works for them...)

[20:26:56]

ipstatic:

got any good recommendations for the HD capture part then?

[20:27:11]

sphery:

I'm using 4x pcHDTV HD-3000's and they work fine for me.

[20:27:23]

sphery:

Friend has 3x Avermedia A180's.

[20:28:20]

ipstatic:

now am I correct in believing that you do not need hardware encoding QAM signals as they are already digital? so you just need a frame grabber?

[20:28:34]

sphery:

But, in theory, any card supported in Linux should work fine as HDTV is simple to capture.

[20:28:54]

ipstatic:

ok

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iamlindoro:

sphery, We're talking landmark-type hill

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sphery:

almost... the digital stuff you'll get from your cable co is already MPEG-format, so you're not really "frame-grabbing". Basically just need a demuxer with a bus to dump the data...

[20:29:59]

sphery:

The frame grabbers on the HDTV capture cards are for analog capture.

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ipstatic:

sphery: demuxing, that was the word I was looking fore

[20:30:24]

ipstatic:

*for

[20:30:27]

sphery:

with those, you get raw images (frames) and have to encode to MPEG (or whatever)

[20:30:33]

sphery:

cool, so yeah.

[20:30:49]

ipstatic:

oh, but then it would tax the processor for the encoding right?

[20:32:00]

sphery:

iamlindoro: guess you should move/level the hill under cover of darkness, then

[20:32:17]

sphery:

ipstatic: yeah, so you're better off using the HDTV card for HDTV and getting a PVR-x50 for analog

[20:32:48]

ipstatic:

sphery: sorry, i thought you were talking about the HD, not the analog

[20:33:52]

ipstatic:

got any idea where I can pick up a pcHDTV HD-3000?

[20:34:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery, They say a tactical nuclear strike is hazardous to one's health

[20:34:27]

sphery:

ipstatic: the HD-5500 is their current one, so it's probably the one to get.

[20:34:41]

sphery:

though I've heard there may be issues with OTA (multipath or something?)

[20:34:54]

sphery:

iamlindoro: nah, they used to strap those things to the backs of soldiers

[20:35:28]

sphery:

I'm guessing that means their safe to use nearby (after all how would the soldier have gotten away?)

[20:35:34]

sphery:

s/their/they're/

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ipstatic:

sphery: oh man, thats $125. I was hoping that would be the most I would spend total on my capture cards.

[20:37:25]

sphery:

ipstatic: don't know how up to date this is (looks a bit out of date), but might want to check http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC

[20:37:26]

ipstatic:

and when did newegg stop selling the Hauppauge PVR-150

[20:37:37]

sphery:

I think the A180 is about $70 or $80

[20:38:33]

ipstatic:

yeah i think I am going to go with that one for my HD

[20:38:39]

sphery:

or, perhaps, $49.99 after $20 rebate

[20:38:40]

ipstatic:

just trying to find a good Hauppauge card

[20:38:45]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100020

[20:38:56]

ipstatic:

sweet!

[20:38:58]

Anduin:

Yeah the A180's are often $50 or can be

[20:39:54]

sphery:

too bad it's $8.25 for shipping.

[20:40:04]

ipstatic:

anyone know where I can find a Hauppauge card then? newegg seems to only carry their newer stuff

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sphery:

I have 4 spread throughout my junk room... :)

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ipstatic:

and only a low profile 150mce

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ipstatic:

:)

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ipstatic:

willing to sell?

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sphery:

wouldn't be able to do anything for a week--travel for business

[20:42:32]

ipstatic:

thats cool, i am just trying to get pricing now. Got to make sure wife approves :)

[20:42:33]

sphery:

but, mine are mixed sets--a PVR-350, a PVR-250, a PVR-150 and a PAL PVR-150, so perhaps not the easiest grouping

[20:42:53]

ipstatic:

looks like ritzcamera still has some

[20:43:07]

danzigrules:

I bought a hauppauge pvr-250 with remote – the ir receiver cable for 20 bucks shipped on anandtech forsale/trade forums, friday night :p

[20:44:03]

ipstatic:

sweet, found a 350 for $50 on craigslist

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sphery:

note that, IM-PVR-350-owning-HO, the decoder/frame buffer on the 350 is a waste

[20:45:04]

sphery:

You're better off using a graphics card for video output and doing software decode

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ipstatic:

oh yeah, i was going to get an nvidia card to output

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sphery:

cool

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ipstatic:

now you can force mythtv to transcode the HD signals to 720p? b/c the native resolution on my tv is only 720p

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ipstatic:

*can you

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sphery:

Anyway, mine will probably go up on ebay (friend just decommissioned a 4x PVR-250 system, and does ebay stuff, so he'll probably put mine and his up soon). If you want, feel free to email me (with myth in the subject line) and I'll get back to you

[20:47:09]

sphery:

ipstatic: doesn't really transcode, it just renders the video at the appropriate resolution for your video ouput

[20:47:16]

ipstatic:

ok

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cesman:

why transcode? It will just downscale based on your resolution

[20:47:23]

sphery:

so, if you set up X at 720p, the video will be rendered to that res

[20:47:30]

ipstatic:

oh ok

[20:47:43]

sphery:

ipstatic: btw, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv is me

[20:47:51]

sphery:

(if you want to e-mail about the cards)

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ipstatic:

thanks

[20:48:07]

ipstatic:

and thanks to everyone who helped me

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sphery:

enjoy your new hobby

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ipstatic:

btw i just fixed up my father-in-laws pc with a cheap winfast 2000xp framegrabber just for tv watching. Although I used tvtime for the viewing instead of setting up a whole mythtv setup

[20:49:15]

ipstatic:

so yeah, needless to say I am hooked on this stuff now

[20:49:26]

sphery:

wait 'til you try Myth...

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ipstatic:

oh i know

[20:49:57]

ipstatic:

i have been following yall since .17

[20:50:07]

ipstatic:

but just never found the time or money to try it

[20:50:39]

sphery:

well, welcome to the mythical convergence of TV and computers

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riddlebox:

wagnerrp, you still around? I have some more questions....

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iamlindoro:

oh lovely, now people are changing my userpage on the wiki

[20:57:47]

iamlindoro:

and it's sphery's favorite person, too

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EABonney:

Hello folks..I was wondering if anyone know if mythtv supports the NEC Corporation Dual Tuner/MPEG Encoder, or I guess if anyone has gotten this device to work with their setup?

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iamlindoro:

EABonney, you want to check the wikis at linuxtv.org. If it's supported under linux/v4l, it's likely that it would work in some fashion in myth

[21:06:47]

iamlindoro:

Regarding MPEG-2 analog encoders, only those under the ivtv driver are supported.

[21:06:58]

iamlindoro:

So if it's an ivtv device, yes, it ought to work in myth.

[21:07:01]

cesman:

EABonney: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware

[21:07:18]

iamlindoro:

And if it's not supported/any other driver, the encoder would not work.

[21:08:09]

iamlindoro:

Here for analog devices: http://linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Main_Page

[21:08:19]

EABonney:

how can I tell if it is an ivtv device?

[21:08:38]

iamlindoro:

First you need to see if it is supported in linux period

[21:08:45]

iamlindoro:

worry about the driver secondarily

[21:08:57]

iamlindoro:

Note, it appears it is not supported.

[21:10:11]

EABonney:

iamlindoro lol ok thanks, seems to be my luck with this machine today...my soundcard isn't supported and neither is the tuner card... damn

[21:10:48]

EABonney:

looks like this machine is going to have to stay a windows machine for a little longer :(

[21:10:53]

EABonney:

Thanks for the help though

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iamlindoro:

np

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** directhex watches the presidential debate **

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iamlindoro:

directhex, It's 90 minutes that can only be bettered by the vice-presidential debte

[21:20:30]

directhex:

iamlindoro, why hasn't obama brought up alaska's pork barrel spending yet?

[21:20:58]

iamlindoro:

I think he'll let uncle Joe do that

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dustybin:

</politics>

[21:21:56]

dustybin:

clev: are you there pal?

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dustybin:

i know this is off topic but i need to buy some jeans

[21:22:55]

iamlindoro:

</thegap>

[21:23:03]

dustybin:

i know ebay is full of fakes, however, there are a lot of online jean shops like this

[21:23:08]

iamlindoro:

You want clever to tell you if your ass looks fat in them?

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dustybin:

http://www.jeanstore.co.uk/ <-- would you trust a place like that to sell real jeans?

[21:23:31]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: hehe

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shabba:

Anyone here having trouble with the new mythvideo in dev trunk? It is hanging my machine.

[21:25:32]

iamlindoro:

shabba, There are numerous issues being worked through (although it should be unable to hang the entire machine)

[21:26:06]

shabba:

-v all does not show anything really. Machine hangs hard. The last state I could see mythfrontend was

[21:26:12]

shabba:

DlsL

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iamlindoro:

I would bet that it had something to do with your video drivers, myself

[21:26:57]

iamlindoro:

You might try whatever the opposite themepainter is to what you're using

[21:27:13]

iamlindoro:

I would wager a guess you are using OpenGL, I would try qt instead

[21:27:36]

shabba:

Yeah I can try that. I am using opengl.

[21:27:53]

shabba:

Wonder how far out mythtv-vid is?

[21:28:09]

iamlindoro:

It qt clears it up, then try seeing if there are updated video drivers available

[21:28:17]

iamlindoro:

Probably a long way out

[21:28:25]

iamlindoro:

It's barely been touched in months

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shabba:

there was a big merge over the weekend to the branch

[21:29:15]

iamlindoro:

It was just brought up to current revision

[21:29:18]

iamlindoro:

no new features

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shabba:

I don't know why it would be video drivers. Been fine up until now

[21:29:28]

iamlindoro:

and it hadn't been touched for two months before that

[21:29:49]

shabba:

pity.. OpenGL stuff is nice

[21:29:51]

iamlindoro:

shabba, MythTV itself is more or less incapable of locking your machine, so the only options are drivers or hardware

[21:30:09]

shabba:

yeah thats true

[21:32:20]

shabba:

PS. blootube does not work with the new mythvideo. Pity- I love that theme

[21:33:11]

iamlindoro:

Nothing but default works with the new mythvideo

[21:33:43]

shabba:

Is there plans a foot for supporting more? I will have to go learn how to mod themes

[21:33:48]

iamlindoro:

all themes going forward will need a brand new video-ui.xml

[21:34:17]

iamlindoro:

If the authors decide to update them, there will be support... priority right now is hammering out issues

[21:35:21]

shabba:

I think blootube support has been dropped. I think It was stuartm who wrote it

[21:35:27]

iamlindoro:

nope

[21:35:35]

iamlindoro:

justin wrote it.

[21:35:43]

iamlindoro:

And it's never been an official theme

[21:36:04]

iamlindoro:

So unless he (or someone else) decides to bring it up to date, it will likely stay that way

[21:36:32]

shabba:

are the offical themes the ones in myththemes or themes ? Or are they mixed up?

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iamlindoro:

The official themes are the ones in myththemes

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dustybin:

<3 mepo, shame that isnt official

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, Figures you would like that POS

[21:40:15]

jon___:

hi

[21:40:21]

dustybin:

the only thing i dont like about it is the thin white lines

[21:40:27]

dustybin:

apart from that its nice looking

[21:40:29]

dustybin:

(IMO)

[21:40:32]

iamlindoro:

Why would a theme incorporating the mascot for another media center software be used, anyway?

[21:40:53]

dustybin:

i didnt realise that was used anywhere else?

[21:41:10]

jon___:

perhaps a paperclip mascot could be animated to help people with what they are doing

[21:41:11]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: myth-centre = mce?

[21:41:11]

iamlindoro:

What do you figure MePo means, dustybin?

[21:41:21]

dustybin:

havent a clue

[21:41:43]

iamlindoro:

Media por.....

[21:41:47]

dustybin:

no way

[21:42:00]

shabba:

hmm.. Just noticed videomanager hangs the machine too..

[21:42:24]

iamlindoro:

way

[21:42:59]

dustybin:

i like some of the gfx used in the xbmc

[21:43:36]

dustybin:

they need to change the name, lbmc ?

[21:44:05]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, as they're not just on linux, that wouldn't work

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iamlindoro:

nor are they particularly focused on linux

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dustybin:

true

[21:45:03]

dustybin:

imagine a linux project was started what was just for UI

[21:45:22]

dustybin:

so any tool could use the UI and modify it to their own needs

[21:45:31]

dustybin:

a universal user interface

[21:45:46]

dustybin:

ie. mythtv could use it to control mythtv etc

[21:45:52]

iamlindoro:

Yes, they could call it GTK

[21:46:05]

dustybin:

GTK is just a toolkit? like QT?

[21:46:12]

dustybin:

im talking about a ready coded user interface

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iamlindoro:

That's what GTK is

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dustybin:

with lots of themes and a way to change it to suit any application

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

GTK

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dustybin:

hmm

[21:46:54]

iamlindoro:

or any number of a thousand others

[21:47:22]

dustybin:

GTK still needs a LOT of work before it becomes a working UI

[21:47:31]

iamlindoro:

get cracking then

[21:47:38]

** dustybin cracks **

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** dustybin registers linux-user-interfaces.net **

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cesman:

One of the beauty of OSS is choices...

[21:48:50]

cesman:

There will _never_ be a universal UI for Linux

[21:48:51]

iamlindoro:

Why don't you register Linux UI Self Explanatory Robotics?

[21:48:53]

iamlindoro:

LUSER?

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cesman:

lol!

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riddlebox:

if I have a pvr500 that has the S-video and composite video slots on the back, is tht only for out?

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cesman:

in

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iamlindoro:

no, the PVR-500 has no outputs

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cesman:

what iamlindoro said

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shabba:

iamlindoro – Changing the paint engine did not help any. I have latest nvidia drivers AFAIK

[21:50:11]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, so those are inputs, that I can use from say a digital box?

[21:50:19]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, yes

[21:50:38]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, is that still two tuners then. or just one?

[21:50:39]

shabba:

riddlebox : That is what I do with my pvr150

[21:50:48]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, Still two

[21:51:02]

iamlindoro:

you could use composite +a tuner, S-video + a tuner, etc.

[21:52:50]

jon___:

so I started building a new backend when my old one died....

[21:53:31]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, ok so right now I have a pinnacle 800i, and a pvr500, next week I get digital, with a free dual tuner dvr, is there a way to still use all three tuners?

[21:54:04]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, A dual tuner cable box will only output one at a time, the second isn't exposed to the user

[21:54:09]

riddlebox:

I guess technicall I would have 5 tuners, but i am sure the charter dvr wont work with it all

[21:54:22]

iamlindoro:

For myth purposes a dual tuner STB is effectively a single tuner

[21:54:36]

dustybin:

my frontend will be going live downstairs this week, im finished with making sure its working ok

[21:54:41]

jon___:

i am putting in two pvr500s and two hvr-1600 cards

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dustybin:

anybody know of a USB audio interface what has digital audio outputs?

[21:55:50]

iamlindoro:

Turtle beach makes many

[21:55:54]

dustybin:

what works in linux? as there might come i time where ill need to free a PCI slot for some more tuners and that would mean removing my audio card

[21:56:07]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, I am just unsure how to set it up to get the most out of it all, should I keep the pvr500 still recording the channels-2–79 and the pinnacle800i recording everything from there up?

[21:56:09]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: ok thanks ill check them out

[21:56:42]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, You will be unable to get anything but unencrypted channels with a digital tuner. That is to say, ABC, NBC, CBS, fox, and that's about it

[21:56:54]

iamlindoro:

You cannot use it to record all of your channels

[21:57:29]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: intstead of getting another same Nova-T card, do you think i should get a Nova-T S instead? can that be setup the same as if i was using another exact same card

[21:57:44]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, I was told that if i hook up a tv to the cable I will still get 2–79 like I do right now without digital

[21:58:57]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, yes, with an analog tuner you will get about 2–80. With a digital tuner, such as your Pinnacle, however, you can ONLY tune unencrypted channels, which is generally speaking the five networks, local community college channels, and that's it. More or less exactly what you'd get via antenna.

[21:58:59]

jon___:

riddlebox that sounds right — at least it is consistent with my experience — can record analog "out of the wall" signals

[21:59:04]

riddlebox:

so what you are saying is I will have to go from the output of the cable box, to the input of the pvr card for everything and it will only be one tuner

[21:59:16]

jon___:

but now I am trying to get OTA HD setup

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iamlindoro:

If you want *all* of your channels, they will have to come from the output of your STB, into an analog card. So for each tuner you wish to have access to all of your channels, you will need a seperate STB. For your Pinnacle, it can ONLY get a signal straight from the wall or an antenna, and you should expect to get JUST community college channels, NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, CW, and *that's it*

[22:01:04]

iamlindoro:

oh, and maybe some religious channels

[22:01:31]

iamlindoro:

what I am saying is "the pinnacle800i recording everything from there up?" is not going to happen

[22:01:46]

iamlindoro:

That card's digital tuner will *only* record the few unencrypted ones

[22:02:01]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, unless I set the pinnacle up to just record lower stuff then, cause I can just set it up as a v4l card and it works thats what I do now

[22:02:16]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, Then it's just a shit framegrabber, but yes

[22:02:24]

iamlindoro:

but then you lose you chance at getting *any* HD

[22:02:33]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, I dont get hd anyway

[22:02:45]

iamlindoro:

You likely will get Hd networks via digital

[22:03:09]

iamlindoro:

Even without an HD package, you probably ought to get network TV in HD with a digital connection

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riddlebox:

iamlindoro, so basically the way to record content will be take the s-video or composite out of the dvr/digital box, and into the pvr-500

[22:03:41]

iamlindoro:

yes, that, or the first 80 or so out of the wall

[22:04:05]

iamlindoro:

And like I said, your dual tuner cable box is a single tuner as far as myth is concerned

[22:04:31]

riddlebox:

so my three tuners will go down to one

[22:04:48]

** iamlindoro feels like he is walking in circles **

[22:05:00]

riddlebox:

I know I am just confused

[22:05:06]

iamlindoro:

one STB = one output from which to capture every channel.

[22:05:15]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: if it come to the point where me and my sister need more tuners, should i get one of these instead of a Nova-T: http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novasplus.html

[22:05:20]

iamlindoro:

You can still split the signal out of the wall and have multiple capture devices for the analog channels

[22:05:30]

dustybin:

the Nova-S is more HD future proof

[22:05:33]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, ok thats what I was thinking

[22:05:35]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, Do you intend to set up a dish?

[22:05:44]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: we have a SKY dish doing nothing

[22:05:51]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, Probably not for people in the EU

[22:06:04]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, now how do i setup the cable box in myth?

[22:06:12]

iamlindoro:

It is likely that by the time HD is widespread in the UK, it will be S2... but yes, if you want Freesat right now, the Nova S Plus will be fine

[22:06:15]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: you can pickup BBC and ITV HD with a SKY dish and a Nova-S card

[22:06:31]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: right ok

[22:06:32]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, That's all in the myth documentation

[22:07:02]

dustybin:

when will HD go widespread in the UK?

[22:07:05]

** dustybin googles **

[22:07:16]

iamlindoro:

couple of years at least

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dustybin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7328029.stm

[22:08:07]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, ok

[22:08:49]

dustybin:

"Up to four free HD channels will be broadcast, including the BBC's service. "

[22:09:30]

dustybin:

so that means broadcasting will never be 100% HD, there will always be SD channels

[22:09:48]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, your reading comprehension is poor

[22:10:01]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: no joy on the mpeg2fix front :/

[22:10:25]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, The article is referring to next year when they begin to roll it out, not the future

[22:10:31]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, Any hints?

[22:11:03]

dustybin:

"The last regions to change to all-digital signals, in 2012, will be London" JESUS HECK

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[22:11:22]

directhex:

dear bbc parliament, if you're showing the presidential debate a day less, please try not to have reception-based gaps in the coverage

[22:11:41]

dustybin:

im amazed how popular TV is

[22:11:53]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: needs someone who's gotta clue :) It looks like there is now a third set of buffers for ac3.

[22:12:04]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, yeah, that was my assessment

[22:12:20]

iamlindoro:

I imagine janneg could make short work of it, but I know he's very busy

[22:12:27]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, not to push, but I will have all that plus the two tuners of the dvr, but I couldnt transfer anything captured on the charter dvr to myth correct

[22:12:53]

iamlindoro:

riddlebox, not via digital... you can play it and record it manually via some analog input I suppose

[22:12:54]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: Yeah, needs someone like him.

[22:13:03]

GreyFoxx:

Wow, cool. All of the h264 mkv's I made with handbrake that had seeking problems are perfectly find if I run them through mkvmerge once letting it rebuild the cue info

[22:13:08]

iamlindoro:

directhex, It takes that kind of time for the debate to make it through customs

[22:13:37]

riddlebox:

iamlindoro, ok, thanks

[22:14:18]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: could try suggesting that to ghaushe maybe he could eyeball it and tell if it even has a chance of fixing your issue.

[22:14:34]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, He hasn't been around in *years*, has he?

[22:15:10]

iamlindoro:

gnome42, I'm about 90% certain that it will fix it-- current version of mythreplex hangs at the command line on those strings, updted version processes them fine

[22:15:12]

gnome42:

iamlindoro: not sure

[22:15:20]

iamlindoro:

er on those streams

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directhex:

iamlindoro, is it me or did he come across rather poorly in that? grumbling a lot, shuffling his papers all the time...

[22:18:33]

iamlindoro:

directhex, I'm gonna avoid a politics talk ban, but yes, I felt that way :)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: do you have a desktop PC at home?

[22:20:41]

dustybin:

or are you a laptop only man

[22:20:56]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, I have both

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dustybin:

all macs?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, no, linux desktop, Mac os laptop

[22:25:16]

dustybin:

same as me!

[22:25:25]

jduggan:

same

[22:26:27]

dustybin:

i really should of get a Thinkpad

[22:26:30]

dustybin:

got

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dustybin:

i hardly ever use adobe packages anymore

[22:26:48]

dustybin:

it doesnt justify me having a mac

[22:27:15]

dustybin:

i dont make music and i dont artwork anymore

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oys:

is EIT data embedded in the individual channels or does it come in a separte "EPG Download Service" channel? The reason I ask is to figure out if I can safely delete this channel (#65501)

[22:36:06]

iamlindoro:

IT is in individual channels.

[22:37:26]

oys:

I also have a SW Download channel (#65534). I assume this is for updating my set-top and that it doesn't serve a purpose (and can be safely removed) from mythtv?

[22:37:42]

iamlindoro:

presumably

[22:38:03]

iamlindoro:

You certainly won't get any Myth related software from your provider

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oys:

iamlindoro: you mentioned earlier that importing channels.conf doesn't work right... and according to the wiki it won't read epg data unless you perform a full scan..

[22:40:15]

iamlindoro:

oys, Dunno who said ti won't read EIT without a full scan, that's not true AFAIK

[22:40:28]

oys:

I'm going to give it one last test, but I think this is wrong (as it is appears to be working fine for me)

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oys:

iamlindoro: I'll double check and run a scan without the special EPG Download Service channel and then update the wiki

[22:41:37]

Dibbla1:

Ummm... iamlindoro: How much experience do you have with Myth and DVB?

[22:42:07]

Dibbla1:

oys: EIT doesn't exactly require a full scan.

[22:42:36]

iamlindoro:

Dibbla1, Tht's what I just said

[22:42:56]

Dibbla1:

What happens is that the 'import' of a channels.conf is not just an import – It tunes to each channel and gets the information it needs.

[22:43:39]

Dibbla1:

However, sometimes (quite often, in fact) that scan gets things badly wrong.

[22:44:10]

Dibbla1:

You're better off in most cases just picking one frequency + group of settings from the channels.conf and entering it in manually.

[22:44:29]

Dibbla1:

Then doing a full scan.

[22:44:31]

mchou:

Dibbla1: you referring to the myth scan or some other scan?

[22:44:40]

Dibbla1:

Myth.

[22:44:55]

mchou:

oys: "man join"

[22:45:03]

mchou:

works wonders

[22:45:08]

oys:

Dibbla1: importing from my channels.conf seemed to work just fine.

[22:45:17]

oys:

mchou: I discovered it earlier today

[22:45:23]

Dibbla1:

It can work... With some providers.

[22:45:47]

Dibbla1:

It can get things badly wrong with others, though.

[22:46:28]

** Dibbla1 finds it disheartening that dvbscan works better most of the time. **

[22:46:45]

oys:

I was just thrown by what channel 65501 "The EPG Download Service" channel was for. I guess it too has something to do with my provider's set-top

[22:46:55]

mchou:

Dibbla1: you guys dont use [s,a]zap and dvbscan?

[22:47:01]

Dibbla1:

No.

[22:47:39]

mchou:

Dibbla1: any reason not to? That's has been most reliable for me

[22:47:41]

Dibbla1:

[sact]zap, you mean? ;)

[22:48:18]

Dibbla1:

ISTR because dvbscan doesn't output all of the fields Myth uses.

[22:48:28]

mchou:

Dibbla1: yeah, whichever applies

[22:48:47]

mchou:

Dibbla1: that's when grep and awk comes in handy

[22:49:26]

Dibbla1:

Not when there's not enough data, it doesn't.

[22:49:59]

Dibbla1:

Besides, an external app is much harder to interface to a UI.

[22:50:14]

mchou:

Dibbla1: I dont understand what you mean. Dvbscan gives me channels, subchannels, serviceid

[22:51:27]

mchou:

oys: modify this to suit your needs: http://pastebin.com/d4dd7035f

[22:51:48]

mchou:

oys: it will get ALL available services

[22:52:47]

mchou:

oys: you might need to change 'scan' to 'scandvb' and 'azap' to whichever *zap that applies in your country

[22:52:54]

Dibbla1:

The only thing that Myth's internal scanner appears to get is serviceversion

[22:53:17]

Dibbla1:

... Additionally to that list.

[22:53:21]

mchou:

and you need the appropriate channel table in ~/.azap

[22:53:56]

Dibbla1:

mchou: And that still only gets you a channels.conf.

[22:54:07]

Dibbla1:

Which Myth 'imports'.

[22:54:22]

mchou:

Dibbla1: no, it gets you way more than channels.conf

[22:54:45]

mchou:

I use it all the time with great success

[22:55:04]

mchou:

way more reliable than the myth scan

[22:55:07]

ldiamond:

I'm looking for an affordable, highest quality possible (for less than 100$) TV tuner/recorder that will work with Windows and Linux. I will be recording standard analog cable TV (in canada, so NTSC). I only need one input. A S-video in would be nice too in case I need it eventually. Is there anything else than a Hauppauge PVR-150 on the market?

[22:55:22]

mchou:

gets you callsigns even (in US)

[22:55:51]

mchou:

ldiamond: you asked the question several days ago already

[22:55:57]

ldiamond:

I know.

[22:56:09]

mchou:

ldiamond: you probably wont get a different answer

[22:56:14]

ldiamond:

and I had no luck finding anything, so I'm asking again hoping someone else will see it

[22:56:24]

mchou:

sigh

[22:56:52]

Dibbla1:

pvr150 or a convertx.

[22:57:08]

Dibbla1:

Both are supported, AFAIK.

[22:57:09]

mchou:

ldiamond: all the ppl here have been around the block, some more than others

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mchou:

ldiamond: you want good stuff you gotta pay the price

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ldiamond:

Dibbla1, http://www.plextor.com/english/products/convertx2.htm that ?

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mchou:

Is that thing eve producted anymore?

[23:01:43]

mchou:

I'm dubious whether anyone has that in stock

[23:02:02]

mchou:

well maybe if you go fleabay

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ldiamond:

80$ here in canada

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ldiamond:

but that one doesnt have the tv tuner tho.

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mchou:

ldiamond: they have it in stock?

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mchou:

ldiamond: if they have it then go for it

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mchou:

probably better than pvr150

[23:05:34]

ldiamond:

How so?

[23:05:50]

ldiamond:

better tuner or something?

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mchou:

yup

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ldiamond:

Its so hard to get a decent review on these things.

[23:06:11]

mchou:

also not bathed in EMI in your box

[23:06:31]

ldiamond:

..?

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ldiamond:

ahh well

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ldiamond:

would other PCI card really cause interferance to that?

[23:07:35]

ldiamond:

I mean, compared to what the cable picks up.

[23:07:47]

mchou:

yup

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mchou:

ldiamond: what processor you got in your box?

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riddlebox:

where would i find out how to make one tuner record only a certain block of channels, and let no other tuners record from those

[23:10:13]

mchou:

riddlebox: define different videosources

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mchou:

or I should say different channel lineup

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ldiamond:

Its a P4 2.4

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ldiamond:

(or a T7300 on my laptop)

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riddlebox:

mchou, so how or where do I setup another channel lineup?

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fryfrog:

riddlebox: you use datadirect?

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Wicked:

hello all. im trying to convert some recordings to xvid..but its not working...it gives me errors...heres whats happens: http://pastebin.com/maba5cd3

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riddlebox:

fryfrog, shcedulesdireit

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mchou:

ldiamond: and you only need NTSC for about 3 months, you said?

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mchou:

riddlebox: please RTFM

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ldiamond:

Nah, I'll use NTSC mnost of the time

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ldiamond:

but I may eventually switch

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ldiamond:

The thing is I have digital cable, but a TV is already on it

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ldiamond:

so either I pay for a 2nd TV, or I split the cable and use analog TV

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mchou:

pay for a 2nd TV??

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Wicked:

anyone have any ideas why it wont encode to xvid?

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mchou:

canadian cable doesnt transmit channels in the clear?

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ldiamond:

I doubt

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mchou:

I mean if your TV gets it w/o STB, then it must be in the clear

[23:24:31]

ldiamond:

In order to get a 2nd tv, I must call my provider, give them the serial number of the set top box so they can activate it.

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mchou:

ldiamond: what STB you got now?

[23:25:02]

ldiamond:

well, its digital TV so I cant test, I dont have a QAM tuner on my TV

[23:25:13]

ldiamond:

One from my provider

[23:25:15]

ldiamond:

Videotron

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mchou:

what's the MAKE of the STB?

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ldiamond:

its written Videotron on it.

[23:25:53]

ldiamond:

but lemme see if I can find out what company actually makes it.

[23:26:00]

ldiamond:

its definitely an OEM

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mchou:

snap a pic of it and post it

[23:26:55]

ldiamond:

well, I dont have it with me, I'm looking online

[23:27:06]

mchou:

ldiamond: it makes no sense whatoever

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ldiamond:

Scientific Atlanta, does that ring a bell?

[23:27:16]

mchou:

SA makes several models

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ldiamond:

http://www.videotron.com/services/en/television/equipements.jsp

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mchou:

ppl in canada with HDTVs, what do they do?

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ldiamond:

http://www.videotron.com/services/static/img/ . . . d-back_s.gif

[23:27:53]

ldiamond:

They buy a HDTV set top box

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mchou:

what???

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ldiamond:

at 250$

[23:28:33]

ldiamond:

yep.

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mchou:

HDTV have hdtv tuners in them already. WTF they need to buy another STB for?

[23:28:50]

ldiamond:

I guess cause they encrypt the signal

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ldiamond:

so people dont snatch it.

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

for a country with universal health care you guys sure have stange ways of getting TV

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mchou:

strange*

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mchou:

ldiamond: move to NS like GreyFoxx

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ldiamond:

lol

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mchou:

ldiamond: more TV options

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ldiamond:

there are 3 providers where I live

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ldiamond:

2 of them have different territories, so they are never both offered at the same place

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mchou:

ldiamond: dude, I'm reading you link

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ldiamond:

the other one is Bell, Satellite

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mchou:

your*

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dustybin:

dont you american guys have US freeview

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ldiamond:

so either Satellite TV, or Cable TV

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ldiamond:

for any choice, you only have 1 option

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mchou:

ldiamond: if canadians have HDTV set there is no need to get the STB

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dustybin:

whats american TV like? do you hve your own BBC1>?\

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directhex:

fox!

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mchou:

dustybin: I thought you in US

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dustybin:

UK

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ldiamond:

mchou, can you link me?

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dustybin:

our best channels are BBC1 and ITV

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mchou:

ldiamond: link you to what?

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mchou:

dustybin: we have what's called PBS

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dustybin:

ok

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ldiamond:

well, you said that if people have HDTV set they dont need the set top box

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ldiamond:

where did you read that?

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mchou:

Public Broadcast System

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mchou:

"Make your HDTV truly digital," the STB you pay $250 for

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ldiamond:

well, I'm not receiving public broadcast television

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fryfrog:

mchou: a STB for cable makes sense, I don't think he is talking about FTA OTA stuff.

[23:34:40]

mchou:

HDTV is ALREADY digital

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ldiamond:

well

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ldiamond:

I do

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ldiamond:

but I also get other TV

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fryfrog:

I rent a cable box from my cable co, I'd buy one if I could.

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mchou:

fryfrog: yeah, but in the US you dont NEED a STB to get HDTV channels

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ldiamond:

not the regular ones

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mchou:

fryfrog: ldiamond's point is he NEEDs one

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ldiamond:

but the ones you need to pay extra for..?

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mchou:

ldiamond: for the "premiums" (like HBO) you need a cableCARD system

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mchou:

that could be a STB or a (very expensive) PC

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fryfrog:

mchou: you don't need one for cable if all you want is the QAM stuff, but if you pay for cable and HD service at that, you need a cable card or cable box.

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fryfrog:

and not just for "premium" ones, you need em for the crappy ones like TNT and A&E and SciFi.

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mchou:

fryfrog: that's what I just said, a CableCARD system

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fryfrog:

i don't even know why you are arguing with him :)

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mchou:

fryfrog: pleas dont bring terms like FTA. That's only satellite

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mchou:

fryfrog: we're talking cable right now

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fryfrog:

you can have free to air over the air too

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mchou:

but it's not over air. We talking about CABLE

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fryfrog:

though i don't think the us or ca have any "pay over the air" stuff

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ldiamond:

so I'm guessing the ConvertX is the way to go...?

[23:39:48]

ldiamond:

Pretty much the same price as the PVR-150

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mchou:

ldiamond: if you can get one, sure

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** mchou stockpiles pvr150. pvr500, convertx to ship to poor canadians **

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mchou:

Tuners for Medicine :)

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oys:

ldiamond: I might have one or two spare pvr-150's to sell now that it appears that I got dvb-c working. what seems to be the going rate?

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mchou:

oys: where are you located?

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ldiamond:

I'd say around 65 but I cant find them in stock

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mchou:

oys: are you in US?

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oys:

no. Norway.. so I guess shipping makes it not worth it.

[23:42:39]

mchou:

oys: it wont work anyways. not NTSC

[23:42:57]

mchou:

Norway is not NTSC, that is

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mchou:

Tuner incompatible

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oys:

mchou: of course. I wasn't thinking. pal b/g

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mchou:

oys: yup

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oys:

ldiamond: have a look at ebay though.

[23:43:56]

mchou:

fleaby

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mchou:

ldiamond: you found a canadian source for convertx?

[23:45:42]

ldiamond:

Yea

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ldiamond:

and one for a PVR-150 at like 90$

[23:46:04]

ldiamond:

the ConvertX is like 95$

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ldiamond:

thats shipped + tax

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mchou:

link for convertx?

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ldiamond:

http://www.swiftgamers.com/ProductDetails.asp . . . amp;CartID=1

[23:47:01]

ldiamond:

http://www.onhop.ca/Product/1112084

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mchou:

wow, 14 left in stock. Not bad

[23:48:25]

mchou:

ldiamond: If you can wait till feb those things will be on fire sale in US

[23:48:42]

ldiamond:

http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetails.aspx . . . INTV-PVR-150

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mchou:

pvr150 and convertx

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ldiamond:

Why?

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mchou:

US goes all digital then

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ldiamond:

right

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mchou:

probaly people will be getting rid of them now even

[23:50:32]

mchou:

so fleabay may not be all that bad an idea

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ldiamond:

canada goes digital in 2011

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mchou:

damn!!

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mchou:

ldiamond: I dont know how cableco stays in business in Canada, seriously

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smithna:

don't get rid of the pvr150's quite yet.... Cable doesn't have to go digital, it maybe a while before they do so...

[23:51:35]

mchou:

smithna: true that

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ldiamond:

smithna, only air broadcasting?

[23:52:15]

smithna:

correct

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ldiamond:

So I'm guessing the ConvertX is the way to go...

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mchou:

ldiamond: Sy I'm you canadian neighbor. I have HDTV set. Why should I pay $250 for STB because cableco is concerned about signal theft?

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mchou:

Say*

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mchou:

ldiamond: I really dont get that

[23:53:14]

ldiamond:

Yep.

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ldiamond:

dude, its pretty much a monopoly here

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mchou:

frigging cableco is concerned about signal theft, dont make honest ppl pay for it lol

[23:54:05]

ldiamond:

we get ripped for TV, Inet and phone

[23:55:02]

mchou:

ldiamond: you live in a major city or are you rural?

[23:55:06]

ldiamond:

People in sweden get 20mbit illimited connections for half the price of our 7mbit with 20GB up and 10GB down limits.

[23:55:10]

ldiamond:

Montreal.

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mchou:

lol

[23:55:25]

mchou:

french frogs. That's why :)

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ldiamond:

I'm guessing its the same pretty much anywhere

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ldiamond:

in canada...

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mchou:

ldiamond: seriously, just erect an antenna man :)

[23:56:19]

mchou:

ldiamond: screw cable monopoly

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mchou:

there must be canadian stations that broadcast ATSC now

[23:58:18]

mchou:

ldiamond: or just get netflix equivalent in .ca

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