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Sunday, September 21st, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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Sentry02:

you are correct. Other than my first time through, mythbuntu changed all my desktop bars and background (theme) and I'm just too new to ubuntu to figure out how to restore the default ubuntu-desktop bars/themes. Is it easier than I think to do that if mythbunut changes my theme again?

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GreyFoxx:

Dunno, I've never seen mythbuntu :)

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Sentry02:

thank you for your guidance with mythtv

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Steven_M:

how do you stop a recording that has been started by pressing th rec button during live tv?

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GreyFoxx:

Go to Watch recordings

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GreyFoxx:

Hit I (or M) and pick Stop Recording

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GreyFoxx:

Probably under I

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Steven_M:

ok thanks

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Sentry02:

thank you again anduin, iamlindoro, and +greyfoxx

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iamlindoro:

Glad you got it fixed

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mchou:

Greyfoxx: you happen to use QAM/cable by any chance?

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GreyFoxx:

up until about a month ago I was :)

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GreyFoxx:

then the channels I cared for got encrypted heh

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squish102:

how do i force mythfilldatabase to refresh all days. i have some inconcistancies between zap2it and myth

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iamlindoro:

--refresh-all

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squish102:

thanks

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squish102:

i hope it is not schedulesdirect

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: you serious?

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: they encrypted all the channels?

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GreyFoxx:

All of the ones on the single multiplex I really cared about (8 channels)

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GreyFoxx:

there are still 140 or so unencrypted

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mchou:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

but none I really watch

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mchou:

so the single mplex was all the premiums?

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GreyFoxx:

I shutdown that slave BE for the time being

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GreyFoxx:

I wouldn't call them premium, just the ones I do 90% of my recording from. Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC, CTV, CBC, Global and so on

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mchou:

OK

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GreyFoxx:

So now I'm just grabbing them via my firewire STB

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GreyFoxx:

and my pvr250's

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mchou:

well, that's a shame

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, still tons left just none I really care for.

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GreyFoxx:

but the 3 pvr 250's and 1 firewire box still means I can record 4 of them at once , just not all 8 at the same time

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: yeah, plus no multirec for you left that way too

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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mchou:

you need to install ATSC antenna :)

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mchou:

should get back all those channels you like :)

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GreyFoxx:

For now I'm notworried. I get all of the stuff still, just not via the QAM tuner.

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mchou:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

But I am looking to replace 2 of my 250's with a 500

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mchou:

yeah, indeedy. running out of PCI slots.

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GreyFoxx:

If I can find one that is

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GreyFoxx:

Yeah, looking to replace that backend with either and Intel Atom or a AMD 2000+ board when it comes out.

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GreyFoxx:

The Atom has 1 pci slot, and the AMD 2000+ will have 2

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mchou:

man pvr-500 mut be commanding some serious premiums atm :)

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GreyFoxx:

Most likely wait for the AMD board... MUCH better, less power draw and same price

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I suppose the 500 has been replaced with one of the HVR cards.. I just don't offhand know their driver status so I'm just thinking pvr500 by default :)

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squish102:

any1 using schedules direct? any1 have problems with zap2it <> mythtv?

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mchou:

I dont think there are HVR cards with two encoders on board

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Dagmar:

We're not using Zap2it anymore

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GreyFoxx:

zap2it is long gone

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squish102:

but schedulesdirect does?

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GreyFoxx:

but yes, I'm using Schedules Direct

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mchou:

two tuners, sure. but not two encoders

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iamlindoro:

HVR-2250

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GreyFoxx:

the 2250 has two encoderrs I think

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squish102:

isnt schedules direct feed from zap2it. so they should be the same?

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GreyFoxx:

squi: Actually no

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GreyFoxx:

zap2it and sd both get their data from tmsdirect

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GreyFoxx:

but who knows what they do it it on the zap2it side

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squish102:

ok, so i need to report a lineup problem then, i guess

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mchou:

iamlindoro: well, I guess 2250 is replacement for 500

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Dagmar:

So they have a website for that

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, Looks like it

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iamlindoro:

I think maybe wagnerrp has one

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iamlindoro:

One Coax in = you can only use both analog or both digital, but not one of each, which seems like an oversight

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iamlindoro:

well, you can use one of each, but can't do OTA + Cable, rather

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: After February it won't matter is why it's not an oversight

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, What if I want to get digital from the antenna and analog from cable?

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like it matters to me

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Dagmar:

Then you'll be reaching around the back of the computer and disconnecting some shit won't you?

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iamlindoro:

So... it's an oversight, then

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iamlindoro:

or at least a drawback

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Dagmar:

No.

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AndyCap:

I don't think I've seen any tuner with more than one antenna input

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, Care to explain further?

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Dagmar:

You can't have both those sources connected to the input at the same time.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, ergo, it's a drawback, whereas if there had been two input, you could mix and match

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Dagmar:

Ther's one input.

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iamlindoro:

Exactly

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iamlindoro:

Thus, drawback.

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Dagmar:

You might as well be complaining that it can't do cherry flavor because they forgot to add a syrup spigot.

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iamlindoro:

you're being willfully argumentative

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mchou:

lol

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Dagmar:

No, I'm being serious.

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Dagmar:

It's got only one input.

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Dagmar:

You're not going to have both types of signals coming in on that one input at the same time.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, for the last time, I am aware of that, and that fact is the center of the whole notion that *it's a fucking drawback*

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Dagmar:

It was designed with just one input.

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Dagmar:

Buy a card with two tuners if you want two inputs.

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iamlindoro:

Yes. And that was a *poor design choice*

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iamlindoro:

It DOES have two tuners

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AndyCap:

if they removed the rf splitter you could have two inputs

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iamlindoro:

jesus christ

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Dagmar:

It has one tuner capable of a wide range.

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iamlindoro:

No, it does not.

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iamlindoro:

It has TWO digital tuners, and TWO analog encoders

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iamlindoro:

Entirely discrete

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mchou:

umm, two HYBRID tuners

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iamlindoro:

Yes, but the hybridness doesn't change the fact that there are indeed two tuners which can be used simultaneously, ostesibly for entirely different programming

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iamlindoro:

and that it's reasonable that someone might like to capture both OTA and cable with their DUAL tuner card

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mchou:

indeedy

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Dagmar:

Ah well, after February it won't matter.

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mchou:

having the splitter outside (so to speak) would have been the better design choice

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, again, Why not?

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Dagmar:

...and people will probably write them letters complaining that they're wasted circuits.

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AndyCap:

mchou: eats valuable pci-bracket space though

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iamlindoro:

After february, again, I might like to capture digital antenna and analog from my cable box

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mchou:

Dagmar: OTA is still active after feb.

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AndyCap:

mchou: but people may be willing to dump radio

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You'll still only have one input

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iamlindoro:

And that will STILL be a drawback

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iamlindoro:

of the card

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kormoc:

so why not stop bitching and not purchase the damn thing?

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Dagmar:

Then sell it on eBay or something.

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kormoc:

go get a job at happauge and show them how to do it or something

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iamlindoro:

I don't own it, nor will I purchase it.

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iamlindoro:

Nor was I bitching, thanks much

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Dagmar:

You don't see me bitching about how SUVs use so much gas there's no fucking gasoline in my town now do you

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kormoc:

but bitching about it in here is meaningless

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iamlindoro:

I made an idle comment about it being a shame

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mchou:

AndyCap: cable splitter on outside doesnt eat pic bracket space

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GreyFoxx:

Man, Is it that time of the month or something? EVeryone, and I mean everyone seems extra cranky today :)

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mchou:

lol

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AndyCap:

mchou: um, if you move the splitter outside you need to double the number of inputs.

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GreyFoxx:

so far everyone I've spoken to today, IRL and on IRC has been pissy

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GreyFoxx:

... maybe it's my BO or something

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mchou:

AndyCap: yeah. ONE extra coax connection. Not two

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, Heh, nah. It's just a bad day methinks

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: haha

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GreyFoxx:

I on the other hand am having a great day... so maybe my I;m soaking up all of your good karma or something ;)

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AndyCap:

mchou: if you dump radio sure. :)

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GreyFoxx:

I actually got to spend quiet time working on ... code!

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, Heh, perhaps, perhaps

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mchou:

AndyCap: who needs radi for myth

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mchou:

radio*

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mchou:

AndyCap: if you tune to radio you're likely to mess up your concurrent myth recordings :)

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mchou:

and that wouldnt be cool

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AndyCap:

mchou: when hauppauge builds mythtv-cards that is valid.

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, I think it's due to the fact that I spent the last 8 hours looking for a non-existant bug on my first day off in over three weeks... That doesn't start the day off so well

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GreyFoxx:

heh yeah that would be annoying

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mchou:

AndyCap: hauppauge knows the card are used by PVR enthusiasts

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mchou:

AndyCap: I dont know any PVR that includes RADIO

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GreyFoxx:

the PVR350 heh

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GreyFoxx:

even encodes it to mp2

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: nono. pvr box (solution)

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GreyFoxx:

ahh

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mchou:

not card

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AndyCap:

yet hauppauge provides radio reception on pretty much every pvr and hvr card they make

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mchou:

AndyCap: that's my point

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AndyCap:

even the 2250

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mchou:

AndyCap: ridiculous

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Dagmar:

OMG you can't listen to radio and watch TV at the same time

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Dagmar:

What a drawback

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mchou:

you want radio buy bttv or usb

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mchou:

no interference with pvr background recording

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AndyCap:

mchou: so why aren't you telling hauppauge how to make their cards?

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mchou:

AndyCap: in fact there are hauppauge cards w/o radio. HVR-1600 is case in point

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mchou:

3 versions w/o radio, one with

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mchou:

guess which sells in higher volume

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Dagmar:

Actually, you could probably listen to the radio with the HVR-1600.

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AndyCap:

mchou: you have sales figures for this, or just guessing?

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mchou:

there is no need to guess. Deduction. 3 versions w/o radio. 1 with. you come up with a reasonable explabation

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mchou:

explanation*

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Dagmar:

No one gives a crap about radio unless they're in their car anyway.

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AndyCap:

I see the media center version has radio.

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: s/No one/I/

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mchou:

AndyCap: that's the (one) vesrion I referred to that has radio

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mchou:

version*

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Dagmar:

Okay, no one important gives a crap about it.

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Dagmar:

;)

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mchou:

the 3 other versions/revs of HVR-1600 dont

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Dagmar:

At any rate, anything that can tune analog NTSC can tune FM radio.

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mchou:

Dagmar: only if you attach ntsc antenna :)

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AndyCap:

I just see one other version on the homepage. and the 1800 and 2250 both do radio

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mchou:

if you attach cable from cableco you may be sol

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Dagmar:

Actually, Comcast around here repeats FM radio

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mchou:

AndyCap: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/products/data_hvr1600.html

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AndyCap:

mchou: two models as far as I can tell, one with and one without

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mchou:

AndyCap: http://www.hauppauge.com/pages/support/support_hvr1600.html

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AndyCap:

mchou: revisions don't count

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mchou:

AndyCap: there is 1178, 1179, and 1199 (no radios)

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mchou:

sure they do. It means they ran out :)

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AndyCap:

or they caught fire when run with winamp or something

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mchou:

sold the old revs

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mchou:

lol

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Dagmar:

ran out?

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Dagmar:

How do you run out?

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mchou:

yeah, hauppauge issued massive recalls

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Dagmar:

FM stereo radio is broadcast exactly the same as the audio signal for your NTSC TV stations.

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mchou:

Dagmar: sold out on the same production run

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Dagmar:

All you have to do is point the thing at the right frequency (which is between channels 6 & 7) and ignore the lack of video.

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mchou:

Dagmar: like 1st 2nd printing of book

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mchou:

Dagmar: lol. Considering there is only one spigot on the tuner, and you attached coax from cableco to it, how exactly do you recomment getting FM?

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mchou:

recommend*

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Dagmar:

Same way I do. Turn the selector on the amp to "FM" like any sane person

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mchou:

haha

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Dagmar:

...and stop trying to use $600 worth of equipment to listen to something a $5 piece of crap can do.

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fignuts:

hello

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fignuts:

i checked the faq but didn't see this... is mythtv just controleld with a regular pvr remote?

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fignuts:

or is it like lmce where it has advanced options for things like pdas?

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oobe:

im deciding between 6200 or 5200 low profile cards for primarily displaying sd recording's but it will be linked to a plasma 42" 1080 capable tv and still want to be able to playback HD im leaning towards the 5200 cause it can use xvmc with a color osd but will get the 6200 if i need to in order to display at full 1080 resolution the card will be going from DVI > HDMI not tv out

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GreyFoxx:

fig: Most people setup a remote of somekind

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GreyFoxx:

but some just use keyboards

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xal2:

hi

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xal2:

is there any way to increase the buffer size in mythtv? i'm trying to run mythtv over my school's network so i can watch from different locations, but the lag is really bad

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hadees:

is there anyway to make mythtv prefer HD programing?

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GreyFoxx:

xal2: How fast is the link between your locations? What bitrate are the recordings ?

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mchou:

hadees: yup

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xal2:

It's a 100mbit network

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xal2:

i'll check the bitrate of the recordings. i don't remember

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mchou:

move all your hdtuners to lower tuner #s

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GreyFoxx:

xal2: Then you shouldn't have a problem

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mchou:

hadees: ^^^

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GreyFoxx:

no recording is going to be nearly that high

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mchou:

hadees: or raise your priorities for hdchannels

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hadees:

damn i was afraid of that, the only way to do it would be to raise the hd channels because the HD PVR can still record non HD channels

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xal2:

Yeah, it's not.

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xal2:

I don't have a problem when I have my laptop connected to a bridged connection on my TV

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xal2:

through a network port, though, it lags every second

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mchou:

hadees: in that case yes

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fignuts:

greyfoxx: but no options to use a pda to select music and things like that? so i don't need my tv on for music

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mchou:

fignuts: sure. iphone

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GreyFoxx:

Fig: nothing actually built in to myth

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mchou:

iphone works great as remote

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fignuts:

no iphone :)

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fignuts:

i have a windows mobile pda and a blackberry

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mchou:

fignuts: then go get one :)

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mchou:

fignuts: it cost less than a harmony from logitech :)

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** mchou wonders what logitech has been smoking **

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xal2:

hm, i wonder what i can do to fix this

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GreyFoxx:

xal2: First thing I would do is some real transfer tests

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mchou:

xal2: do a capture and some math

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GreyFoxx:

I can stream 4 TV shows at once and use the same network for Internet and general file sharing with no problem at all

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mchou:

xal2: should tell you all you need to know

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mchou:

file size/time=bitrate :)

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mchou:

add a bit for overhead...say maybe 10%

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xal2:

okay, i'll try that out

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xal2:

i doubt the network admins throttle this

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mchou:

xal2: what??? where?

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xal2:

on my school's network

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mchou:

oh

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mchou:

heh

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kormoc:

xal2, just because your network card connects at 100 mbit doesn't mean the backbone between buildings/etc are all 100 mbit

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mchou:

what kind of school, a university?

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GreyFoxx:

If it's big school you can almost guarantee there are QoS/ratelimits in place

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xal2:

university

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mchou:

xal2: which one?

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xal2:

northeastern

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kormoc:

university doesn't really say if it's big or not :P

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xal2:

damn, smb file transfer is slow, 100kb/s

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xal2:

that's kinda strange

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xal2:

i know they don't limit that

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kormoc:

how do you know that?

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xal2:

i work for them

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mchou:

hah

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** kormoc shrugs **

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xal2:

and they use smb to transfer files to their backup servers

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kormoc:

So?

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kormoc:

They can say, rate limit all traffic not from/to set ips

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xal2:

i can download at over 2.5MBps on usenet, i don't see why that wouldn't be limited and this would

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GreyFoxx:

how are you accessing the recordings? over SMB as well or using the mythprotocol or nfs ?

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xal2:

No, just over mythtv frontend

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kormoc:

well

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mchou:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

yes, but mythfrontend can read from the file system if your recordings dir is mounted to it

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kormoc:

mythfrontend can use any of the previously mentioned ways...

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GreyFoxx:

OR you can tell it to forcible use the mythbackend protocol

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xal2:

where is that in the settings?

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GreyFoxx:

So, are you mounting the recordings directory to the frontend?

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xal2:

No, I haven't done that. I just setup the frontend to connect to my backend

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xal2:

that's all

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kormoc:

so that's using the mythbackend protocol

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GreyFoxx:

ok, if the FE does not have the recordings directory mounted at all them it must be the protocol

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Xklark:

when compiling mythtv with make, i got this error

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xal2:

alright, so what could cause the problem? it's obvious why it would be fast being connected directly to the backend via a bridged ethernet interface, but what could cause the slowness on the local network assuming that they don't throttle mythprotocol?

[02:11:05]

Xklark:

http://pastebin.com/m49108137

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GreyFoxx:

Xals: When you say localnetwork, are you passing through a router of any kind or do you mean literally on the same local switch ?

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xal2:

different subnet

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GreyFoxx:

then it's not the "local" network ;)

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xal2:

and yes, i'm passing through a switch

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kormoc:

the router inbetween them might be over-used, the switch might be over-used, etc

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xal2:

okay, well it's more local than say accessing it from germany

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GreyFoxx:

xal: Enable FTp on the backend

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GreyFoxx:

and FTP to it from a shell on your FE

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Xklark:

can anyone help me out?

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GreyFoxx:

and do a GET on an arbitrary large file

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xal2:

ok

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kormoc:

Xklark, looks like you're missing libz/zlib

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GreyFoxx:

infact use the regular "ftp" program

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GreyFoxx:

and before the GET use the command "hash"

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Xklark:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

then FTP will output a '#' for every couple packets

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Xklark:

ill check kormoc

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GreyFoxx:

if you see a stream that goes for a second then "pauses" then goes quickly again, and pauses a gain yo uhave a duplex mismatch

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GreyFoxx:

it should be a constant stream of '#'

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GreyFoxx:

if you have a duplex mismatch it will top out at 3megabit max

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xal2:

okay, i'll try that out

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GreyFoxx:

and if the switch or router is a cisco the chances of a duplex mismatch are quite high

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GreyFoxx:

even cisco recommends you do not use autoneg on cisco gear :)

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xal2:

would this also affect internet traffic?

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Xklark:

kormoc: i'm still getting the error after getting zlib1g and zlib1g-dev

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xal2:

if this is the issue

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GreyFoxx:

xal2: Most net traffic is slow enough to not notice, or bursty enough to not notice it

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GreyFoxx:

but a constant stream of data, such as a big FTP or video stream would see it

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kormoc:

Xklark, what is zliblg?

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** kormoc blinks **

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Xklark:

the packages i installed

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Xklark:

sudo apt-get install zlib1g zlib1g-dev

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GreyFoxx:

well, I now know what

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GreyFoxx:

s taking the new mythvideo gallery so long to load my stuff... but I need to bug gbee to find out what to do with it heh

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xal2:

I downloaded at over 8MBps on Steam

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kormoc:

Xklark, welp, might want to talk to your distro about it then

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GreyFoxx:

irrelevant, do the FTP test :)

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xal2:

I am

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xal2:

It looks steady to me

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GreyFoxx:

see what speed it reports when done

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xal2:

okay

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GreyFoxx:

It would be a noticable pause and then restart when watching the #' marks if it was a duplex mismatch. But you still wanna know what sort throughput you are getting

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, and the day decided to add insult to injury, half done with my buzz cut from 1" to 1/2", my cutters died, and I can't seem to fix them...

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GreyFoxx:

hahaha

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xal2:

I'm not really sure what you mean by a pause. There is a very slight delay when moving to the next line of hash marks

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GreyFoxx:

xals you would know it if you saw it

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xal2:

and they seem to go in groups of about 10 marks

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GreyFoxx:

it will be a noticable wait

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GreyFoxx:

IF that is the problem

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** GreyFoxx goes to watch tv **

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Xklark:

kormoc: i insatlled zlibc and got a different error

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Xklark:

http://pastebin.com/m61542605

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Xklark:

would that be something different i need?

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kormoc:

Xklark, yes, the qt multithreaded libs

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Xklark:

i thought i already got that, libqt3-mt-mysql correct?

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Dagmar:

No.

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kormoc:

that's the multithreaded qt mysql package, not the multithreaded qt package

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kormoc:

although I would have thought it would have been a dep

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Xklark:

i think i fixed it, i got the libqt3-mt-dev package

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xal2:

wow, this really is going slowly, i wonder why >_<

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Xklark:

thanks for the help kormoc :)

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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kormoc:

xal2, universities are notorious for having too much traffic then their networks can handle

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xal2:

This is really strange. I can download SP3 from MS at 3.6MB/s but I can only FTP over the network at 100kb/s

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xal2:

lol

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hadees:

i just scheduled a bunch of recordings but they aren't showing up in the upcoming recordings or anywhere as as upcomming, i thought it might not be saving them or something but looking in the database i see them there

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kormoc:

xal2, think bout it this way, say you're on a switch with 48 other folks at 100 mbit, and that switch has a single uplink to the master switch at 1 gbit, that actually means only 10 folks on that switch can have full traffic, and if you have a few layers of switches up and down the chain between your two sites, it can get really bad

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hadees:

i'm using trunk

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kormoc:

hadees, so wait for the scheduler to run?

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hadees:

kormoc, how often does it run?

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xal2:

I understand how it works

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xal2:

i'd expect internet traffic to be equally slow were that the case

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xal2:

because that's going all the way to the main backbone

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wagnerrp:

youre accessing the internet through an unloaded network segment, while the guy whos ftp you want to access is currently heavily loaded

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kormoc:

hadees, well, it runs when it can, but if you continue to schedule while it's running, it can get behind. Wait a minute or two?

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, the school is filtering/limiting ftp from unlisted servers

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hadees:

kormoc, ok i only scheduled 3 things though

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kormoc:

hadees, and checking the backend logs is likely helpful

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, they guys ftp itself is heavily loaded, or limited

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xal2:

it's my ftp

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xal2:

lol

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xal2:

i have two computers in the same room, but they received IPs on different subnets

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hadees:

kormoc, i've been watching the backend logs, i haven't seen anything

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xal2:

hm, actually, i'll try putting them both on the same subnet and see if that fixes the issue

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wagnerrp:

well if its on a different subnet, it has to travel out through some router, rather than through your local switch

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wagnerrp:

although all your traffic should be out travelling through that same router

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hadees:

kormoc, hmm restarting the backend made the schedule run it seems, so the question is why wasn't it running before if it could do it so fast

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xal2:

yeah

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, I know at Millersville, all the switches had dedicated rules for port 80/443 to go over dedicated fiber lines, the rest of the traffic had to fight over one line

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: but this is all internal network traffic, the first time it hits a device that can set rules, it should just get routed straight back to the source

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xal2:

yeah, no change

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wagnerrp:

xal2: try to download on the ftp locally, on the same machine serving the data

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wagnerrp:

what server are you using?

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xal2:

wu-ftpd

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hadees:

i just went into the program finder and every program is green like i'm going to record it but when you look into any program nothing is selected except for the ones that actualy have recordings scheduled

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Xklark:

on average, how long does mythtv take to compile?

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cesman:

there is no average

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pat_:

If I say 30 minutes will you believe me?

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cesman:

compilation times depends on several varibles, features, RAM, CPU, etc...

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fignuts:

i will

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fignuts:

but i don't know shit

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Xklark:

probably pat_

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Xklark:

its been 30 minutes for me already :P

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jamesd:

of course the first time is the slowest.. because later compiles will be competing for CPU with the transcode processes ;-)

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clever:

is there anything special that can be done with a directtv box other then the usual pvr150+ir blaster ?

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clever:

(digital capture or guide data)

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clever:

or just bypass the box all together and capture the unencrypted channels with a card

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mark__:

Is it possible to remove options from the mythtv main screen? I want to install it on my PS3 for video playback so I have no need for the TV/DVR options and would like to remove them

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kormoc:

mark__, sure, edit the theme files

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kormoc:

well, not the themes, but the menu files

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kormoc:

which are in the theme dir iirc

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mark__:

Cool, thank you

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mark__:

Has anyone here ever used mythtv on a PS3?

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tank-man:

no

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tank-man:

built in video player is good enough

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mark__:

Build in player is ok but I want to be able to transfer mkv, avi and mpg files to store on the HD for playback and can't find a way to do that with the PS3 software

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strex:

sup folks

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strex:

so I just got done setting up and installing a new frontend to my setup and nothing seems to be working the way I would think it should.

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kormoc:

Examples might help

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strex:

for instance, I can't watch LiveTV at all.. it just flashes..

[04:48:11]

strex:

I believe I have the settings pointed to the BE ok..

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kormoc:

So the logs would likely help out

[04:48:54]

strex:

also, when I go into 'brwse recordings' I see all the shows from the BE, but when I try and watch one, I get "File not found"

[04:49:28]

strex:

kormoc: so doest the FE have it's own set of settings, apart from the BE

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kormoc:

Sure does

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kormoc:

but you don't know which part is broken without reading the logs

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strex:

because I've turned on logging, but my /var/log/mythtv is empty..

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kormoc:

How did you enable logs?

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strex:

from within settings..

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kormoc:

that's logging to the database likely

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strex:

yea, (sorry lircd isn't working yet eather) I enabled it in setup/general.

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strex:

so where would I enable it to log to file.?

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kormoc:

you'll have to run the backend and frontend with command line params to get them to log to files

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kormoc:

--help should show you what the command line arg is

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strex:

ok, another question.. is mythtv setup on the FE independant of the BE?

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strex:

for instance if I make a change in there does it effect the BE?

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kormoc:

Yes, although you'll only need to run mythtv-setup on machines that are going to be backends

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strex:

ok, good to know..

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kormoc:

it's the setup for the 'local' backend

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strex:

I see..

[04:54:37]

strex:

but whats weird is, when I go into mythtv setup on the FE, I see all the settings from the BE..

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kormoc:

well, there's a fair number that are shared among all the backends

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strex:

but they don't apply because the directories / tuners are different.

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kormoc:

well, it's all based on the machine's hostname, each machine needs a unique hostname

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strex:

true, but my new FE doestn' have a tuner..

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strex:

ok..

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strex:

the linux admin in me should know better..

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strex:

so would changing the FE's hostname effect mythtv in any way (badly?)

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kormoc:

you'd lose all the settings, but other then that, no

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strex:

loosing settings is ok for now, because it don't work anyways.

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strex:

:p

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kormoc:

Having the same hostname would confuse things mightily :P

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strex:

agreed!!

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strex:

brb setting hostname.

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Xklark:

anyone want to help a total kernel noob out really quick?

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kormoc:

might want to just ask and see if anyone does

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Xklark:

k

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strex:

No, lol.. Xklark what's up ?

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Xklark:

im trying to install this pvrusb2 driver for mythtv

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Xklark:

and i am very confused :(

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Xklark:

when i go to the driver directory and do make

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cesman:

what kernel version are you using?

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Xklark:

make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.18-6–686/source: No such file or directory. Stop.

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Xklark:

2.6.18-6–686

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strex:

Xklark: what distro too?

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Xklark:

debian

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strex:

Xklark: does a Make file exist?

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Xklark:

yes, i dont know how to use it though :(

[05:00:39]

Xklark:

i told you im a noob :P

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cesman:

do you have the kernel headers installed?

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Xklark:

i have no idea

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Xklark:

:|

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strex:

Xklark: in debian, can you check what packages are installed?

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Xklark:

i believe so

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** strex hates debian, but that's besides to point.. **

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Xklark:

lol

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cesman:

dpkg -l | grep linux-headers

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strex:

there ya go..

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cesman:

however in 2.6.18, it might be kernel-headers

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Xklark:

nothign

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strex:

that's probably your problem.

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Xklark:

ii linux-kernel-headers 2.6.18–7 Linux Kernel Headers for development

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cesman:

if it is installed, ln -s /usr/src/linux /lib/modules/2.6.18-6–686/source

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strex:

I don't know debian's package management system, does that mean it's installed.

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cesman:

that should get you going

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cesman:

yes

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Xklark:

still didnt help anything cesman :(

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cesman:

did you perform the command above?

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Xklark:

yes

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kormoc:

I didn't think /lib/modules/xxx/source is the kernel source

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cesman:

ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18–7 /lib/modules/2.6.18-6–686/source

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cesman:

it isn't

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Xklark:

ln: creating symbolic link `/lib/modules/2.6.18-6–686/source' to `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18–7': File exists

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cesman:

in debian, it is a symlink to the source

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Xklark:

o

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kormoc:

Xklark, you have that backwards

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kormoc:

wait

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kormoc:

no

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Xklark:

cesman, is there anything I can do? or am i out of luck

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cesman:

where did you get the source?

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Xklark:

what do you meen

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cesman:

you can try mercurial of v4l/dvb as it already includes the pvrusb2

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Xklark:

what does that meen :(

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cesman:

the source for the pvrusb2 drivers. Where did you get it?

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Xklark:

OH

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Xklark:

http://www.isely.net/pvrusb2/download.html

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cesman:

good old Mike...

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cesman:

been awhile since I talked to him..

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cesman:

did you try him in #pvrusb2?

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pembo13:

I have a bttv driven tv card, and I was attempting to use 'Bt87x' since then I have not been able to get any sound on AUX, which is where it is suppose to come

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Xklark:

cesman, what is mercurial?

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mchou:

Xklark: it's bleeding edge dvb drivers

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kormoc:

pembo13, keep in mind, not every bt card actually support sound via the drivers

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cesman:

it is the version control software used by the v4l/dvb folks

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Xklark:

so could i use that instead of having to compile the pvrusb2 drivers?

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cesman:

it is the latest

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Xklark:

do i just install the binary?

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cesman:

there is no binary

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cesman:

you'd have to compile from source

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pembo13:

kormoc: yes, i know... mine was working, but poorly, on /dev/adsp2, so i tried to switch back to regular /dev/dsp, and since hten no sound

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Xklark:

http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/BinaryPackages

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Xklark:

i cant use that?

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cesman:

Xklark: let's take this to pvrusb2

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Xklark:

ok

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pembo13:

i need some way to reset the cards or something

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kormoc:

power cycle?

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pembo13:

kormoc: i've shutdown and reboot a few times since then, no go

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cesman:

ahhh btaudio

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pembo13:

cesman: i tried it and it failed, want to go back to regular soundcard+aux

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pembo13:

but no go

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pembo13:

its as if trying the btaudio flipped someting on the card

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cesman:

it has been a _long_ time since I dicked w/ baudio

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cesman:

s/baudio/btaudio

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cesman:

there is a reason ;)

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pembo13:

i'm wondering if i am going to have to do a complete reinstall at this point

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pembo13:

really sucks

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kormoc:

if it's a hardware issue, a reinstall won't fix it

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kormoc:

have you attempted to plug headphones/speakers directly into the card and see if it outputs anything?

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pembo13:

kormoc: which card?

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kormoc:

the tv card

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pembo13:

kormoc: no, i am not sure if there even is such an output on it

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pembo13:

kormoc: the current connection is from card to card on the inside, let me check the back

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kormoc:

ahh

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pembo13:

yah, it uses one of those wierd, multip cable connections whose location i am uncertain of at this time

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pembo13:

multiple*

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RyeBrye:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104003 wow – what a deal

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kormoc:

RyeBrye, is this better? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104004

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wagnerrp:

external modems were never cheap

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wagnerrp:

hell, a decent internal modem is still $40+

[06:51:36]

wagnerrp:

well $30 anyway

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mchou:

yeah, but $95??

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mchou:

that's just crazy

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt know, last time i bought an external was a hayes 2400 baud

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mchou:

hah

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mchou:

I'm surprised you remember

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mchou:

what did you have? ISDN?

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mchou:

I mean after the modem

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wagnerrp:

the USR ones seem to start somewhere around $70

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wagnerrp:

i had dialup all the way until i got DSL

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mchou:

what??

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wagnerrp:

but then i got DSL in the late 90s

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wagnerrp:

maybe... 98

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mchou:

and used 2400 baud until you got DSL??

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wagnerrp:

no, i had internal modems

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mchou:

oh, ok

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

I thought you had some magical leapfrog tech

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mchou:

this is frigging depressing

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mchou:

do I even need the serviceid if I get clear qam??

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wagnerrp:

service id?

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mchou:

I mean the frequency, modulation, and programid should be all that's needed

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wagnerrp:

i guess

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mchou:

wagnerrp: serviceid in mythconverg.dtv-multiplex

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mchou:

maybe this serviceid is an association betwenn schedulesdirect stations and frequencies, who knows

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mchou:

in any case there is no serviceId in my clearQAM streams as far as I can tell

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mchou:

my shorts are all in a bunch now!

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mchou:

so close and yet so far.....

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belo:

hello everyone

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belo:

is it possible to feed mythTV with a udp or rtp multicast stream?

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belo:

something like rtp://@239.194.10.14:1234 this

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oobe:

belo, mythstream might work

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belo:

wow

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belo:

gr8

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belo:

but might? :)

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jblack:

Mythtv is the results of a conspiracy between hard drive manufacturers.

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jblack:

There's a $190 1.5TB drive out there

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fietsbel:

hello guys, I was wondering. what would be a good dvb-c device to purchase?

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** jblack looks up dvb-c **

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jblack:

Oh, Qam.

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jblack:

I know the PCHDTV5500 works with non-encrypted channels. I believe the hauppages works as well with non-encrypted.

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jblack:

But many (most?) channels are encrypted, so you're kinda screwed on linux.

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fietsbel:

I need a card with a common interface also

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fietsbel:

black

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jblack:

me?

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fietsbel:

what brand is that card?

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jblack:

the PCHDTV? That's the company. All they do is make cards for linux. The models I have are the HD-5500.

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jblack:

http://pchdtv.com

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jblack:

anybody live in tennessee?

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belo:

hey

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belo:

I'm also using eyeTV software

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belo:

are tehre any big pros in using mythTV

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belo:

its free and opensource

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belo:

configurable, so I can "maybe" integrate rtp streams in...

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fietsbel:

jblack but that card can't work with a common interface I suppose?

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laga:

pchdtv doesnt work in europe

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laga:

i use a knc1 tv-station dvb-c. not sure if current models still work with linux

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lazy_marmot:

Hi everyone, quick question from newbie. How can I specify that every recordings should add +5 minutes at the beginning and at the end ?

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jwildebo:

hello! anyone from germany with a s100 around? I get no sound ...

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laga:

try asking a real question :)

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jwildebo:

OK. Using alsa:default as sound device, I get nothing on my speakers. I played with alsa-mixer, unmuting PCM, unmuting everything, still no luck. How best to check?

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laga:

does it work with mplayer?

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jwildebo:

nope

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jwildebo:

I am guessing it might be a permission problem related to the mythtv user.

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laga:

jwildebo: what distribution are you using?

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laga:

dear mythweather, please suck less.

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jwildebo:

zenslack

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laga:

jwildebo: well, then go talk to the zenslack guys. i bet they know more about their distro and the s100 than most people in this channel ,)

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jwildebo:

thx :-) I was thinking similar. Will bug them :-) I tried getting it up and running with CentOS first, but that failed to get output on my TV. Will ask zenslack peeps.

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jwildebo:

It works now. I am impressed.

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jwildebo:

Perfect quality, mythtv == perfect.

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** laga rebuilds mythplugins for the third time today **

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sveinungh:

help set novice

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jarle:

sveinungh: #mythtv-norge

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justinh:

zenslack still ongoing? oof

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justinh:

I miss my s100 boxes sometimes. oh wait, no I don't

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jduggan:

heh

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laga:

i have no clue what i'm going to do with all that hardware once i'm moving out

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laga:

my backend and the s100 will have to go in favor of an antec fusion with a 1TB hdd

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gpd:

so... i have a mythbox in my lounge and want speakers in my kitchen to play recorded radio in there. should i look for upnp speakers – or what other solutions should I look at? I have an N800 that I could use as a remote control... ???

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justinh:

wires, wires & yet more wires :)

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gpd:

maybe squeezebox... ?

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laga:

hum

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hume:

hello...anyone around? i have a newly installed mythbuntu box, with a few problems: watching movies, that is, locally stored mpg and avi-files, work well. but DVDs and live TV both stutters and jumps... DVDs are set to be played by internal. anone got ideas on what to checke, change?

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jblack:

do you run seperate front and back ends?

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hume:

separate, connected via ethernet cable

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jblack:

your network may not be up to the task.

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jblack:

dvds and live tv usually have much higher bitrates than avis.

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hume:

well.. DVDs are played locally, on the frontend

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jblack:

that's my only thought.

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hume:

i checked network speed yesterday, with iperf, and got values of about 95 MBits/s... network is a potential culprit in my eyes too, but DVDs seem to falsify that

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hume:

further: I get no sound from DVDs, but with mplayer I get sound from them – if, and only if, I set sound to alsa and not pulsaudio – but mythtv is set to use Alsa and live tv gives sound

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hume:

don't know if those issues are connected

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hume:

if not network – what else could it be, what can I check?

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fbnts:

Hi all – Just got a quick question, I have built a new backend box and moved my DVB-T card over but when I do the channel scan, some of the channels are not getting the correct channel number

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fbnts:

BBC1 etc are appearing at randomly high numbers

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fbnts:

is this a bug? Should I just ignore and edit each channel?

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gbee:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130471 – that should do I'd think

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Sentry02:

Goodmorning all. Have a problem getting my remote encoder to actually record. MythWeb installed on master-backend. Backend status shows Encoder 1 is local and recording, Encoder 3 is remote and connected. But when I select another show to record from MythWeb, nothing happens. MythWeb acknowledges that I asked it to record that episode but encoder 3 won't start recording. Encoder 3 will work locally. Ideas?

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Anduin:

Sentry02: what does the upcoming recordings screen say?

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Sentry02:

only shows the first recording that is active on encoder 1. It does not show the 2nd recording that I selected during the same time slot. I did pick shows that started 12 minutes ago, if that matters.

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Anduin:

Sentry02: see if the frontend upcoming recordings screen is any different

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Anduin:

Sentry02: this was a "single record"?

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Sentry02:

that might be part of my problem, maybe. I chose not to install MythWeb on the slave backend/frontend system. Did not see a reason for it to exist on the master backend and slave backend. Is there another way to check the upcoming recordings on the slave backend?

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Sentry02:

Yes. Single record on both.

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Anduin:

Sentry02: Not backend specific but if you know the card ids, the frontend upcoming recordings screen, or mythbackend --printsched

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Sentry02:

ran mythbackend --printsched on slave backend, it only shows the scheduled recording running on the master backend right now

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darkdrgn2k:

Um, any one know what the freetype devel package for debian

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jarle:

darkdrgn2k: something like "freetype-devel.deb" ?

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darkdrgn:

nop lol

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darkdrgn:

iv got "libfreetype6-dev" but config says its still not installed

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darkdrgn:

but thats freetype 2

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jarle:

darkdrgn: if your looking for freetype 1 dev its probably libttf-dev

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Anduin:

Sentry02: it should show all, their status, card, etc, there is no recording schedule on a slave backend, it is just told what to do.

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Sentry02:

understood. struggling to figure out why the 2nd recording is not appearing any place. If I click on the show in the schedule listing again, it shows that I've asked it to be recorded, but still nothing.

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darkdrgn:

jarle: is freetype1 or 2 required for myth

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jarle:

darkdrgn: not sure

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Sentry02:

Anduin: I'm afraid that I've overlooked something while installing the slave backend/frontend

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Anduin:

Sentry02: do you see the show in the results of printsched? What if you schedule two more shows in the future?

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darkdrgn:

when you press "RECORD" on live tv... does that turn off after the show?

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directhex:

sigh

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directhex:

apt-get build-dep mythtv

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Anduin:

darkdrgn: Yes

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darkdrgn:

... ok cuase i left it.. and it seems all my recordings are missing?!?!?

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darkdrgn:

directhex: ooo i tried that before..

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darkdrgn:

E: Build-Depends dependency for mythtv cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements

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Sentry02:

Anduin: I will try to schedule 2 future shows.

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Anduin:

darkdrgn: see if they were autoexpired

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darkdrgn:

Anduin: where can i check that?

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Anduin:

darkdrgn: backend log, you can also just check your filter settings, if you are not filtering, and there wasn't some DB problem then they are gone, luckily the backend log will let you see why (shows when recordings start/stop)

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directhex:

how old a release are you trying to build for, here?

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darkdrgn:

Linux MythFE 2.6.18-6–686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

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darkdrgn:

4.

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darkdrgn:

debian 4.0

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Sentry02:

I scheduled 2 shows that start 25 minutes from now, first indicates it will record. 2nd indicates "Conflict"

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Anduin:

Sentry02: upcoming recordings screen or printsched should show why there is a conflict

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Sentry02:

.

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Sentry02:

checking

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Sntry1969:

Anduin: I'm not sure I know what the S C I T N columns represent

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Anduin:

Sntry1969: sorry, was checking to see if it was on the wiki, source card input type recording_status recording priorities/adjusted

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Sntry1969:

sorry about the name change, had to change to another PC

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Anduin:

I didn't notice, I ignore numbers after nicks

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Anduin:

(and use tab)

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Anduin:

Sntry1969: basically you want the type and status, and to make sure at some point that second card has something scheduled on it

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Sntry1969:

i was just looking for that information also. so master backend doesn't actually know it has 2 encoders available?

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Gimpy:

hi all, udev does not see ir reciever but dmesg does. can someone help

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Anduin:

Sntry1969: It does, when the slave starts up it connects which means it is available, also the capture cards are associated with a machine in the DB, availability + machine is enough

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Anduin:

Gimpy: does dmesg really say that, or does it just have a line resulting from some module force loaded?

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Gimpy:

usb 5–3: Manufacturer: HOLTEK

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Gimpy:

Anduin: if i disconnect it the usb 5–3; manufacturer: HOLTEK disappears

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Sntry1969:

Anduin: I will dig around the mailing list and google for awhile. Schedule just dropped the conflicting show and started recording the first show on Encoder 1. Encoder 3 is still connected and not recording

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Sntry1969:

Anduin: Thank you for your time today. Real Life is calling me away for a bit

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Anduin:

Gimpy: Yeah, so meaningless

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Anduin:

Sntry1969: Yup, understood

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Anduin:

Gimpy: I assume this is some MCE flavor?

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Gimpy:

Anduin: no firefly-mini

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Gimpy:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini

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Anduin:

Gimpy: ah, a hid one, so do any of the buttons just work as that page indicates some should?

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Gimpy:

yes the numbers do , mute, "snapstream" button, calender button, volume buttons don't work (and a few other dont work)

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Gimpy:

and if i run irw it for som reason crashes lirc

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Gimpy:

Anduin: thanks for your help, will you be here later reality has caled me away (as disappointin as it in0

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Gimpy:

*is

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Anduin:

Gimpy: looking at that page, you are probably using a newer udev, so attrs vs sysfs

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Anduin:

and yes I'll be around :(

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Gimpy:

Anduin: attrs vs sysfs give me attrs command not found

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Anduin:

Gimpy: if you look at the output of the udevinfo command they have you run I think you'll find you have an ATTR{modalias} instead of a SYSFS{modalias}, if so you need a similar change for your udev rule

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Gimpy:

udevinfo -a -p $(udevinfo -q path -n /dev/input/event5)

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Gimpy:

-bash: udevinfo: command not found

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darkdrgn:

any one here ever use ServeRAID from ibm?

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Gimpy:

Anduin: gotta go be back few hows (fyi)

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iamlindoro:

If anyone's been looking for a great price on a Harmony, btw, this is the best I've ever seen it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00093IIRA?p . . . _rd_i=507846

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iamlindoro:

$82

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: dunno what they're up to, but they are dumping the 885 here as well

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squish102:

is the 885 the one with rf and ir?

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Dagmar:

Hmm... no idea what 885

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Chicago:

Hello

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AndyCap:

squish102: nope.

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Chicago:

I want to watch streams from mythweb on my pocket pc. How do other people accomplish this?

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Dagmar:

THey don't, largely.

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Dagmar:

Do you watch *other* streamed videos on your Pocket PC?

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Chicago:

Hi Dagmar

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Chicago:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Unless you can get YouTube to work on it's browser, you're boned.

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Chicago:

I just made some custom roms for it yesterday. YouTube works fine.

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Chicago:

largely the work was done by others at xda-developers.com

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you *should* probably be able to get the mythWeb streaming widget working, once you turn it on

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Chicago:

This is where I enable the flash video player in the mythweb interface?

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Dagmar:

That's pretty much _all_ your options right there, short of making your own solution.

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Mostly if YouTube will work, it will work.

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Chicago:

Darn mythweb is giving a different interface to me with my pocket pc's user agent than it does with other browsers.

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Dagmar:

It'll do that

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Chicago:

Even the 'recorded programs' screen just shows a description and an option to delete or rerecord.

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Chicago:

I was trying Opera last night before bed, to try and get around it.

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Chicago:

I have flash 7 installed.

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Chicago:

I guess that's horrible and bad, considering all the xploits.

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Chicago:

Which browser do you recommend to use on the pocket pc for this?

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Dagmar:

I have a Palm T|X.

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Dagmar:

I recommend clawing your eyes out with a fork over even trying to use a handheld for web browsing.

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Dagmar:

Granted, the Blazer browser is a special case. Special like rides a very short bus.

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Dagmar:

I can generally find out things faster by calling my elderly and not so computer-savvy mother on the phone and having her read web pages to em.

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Dagmar:

s/em/me/;

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Chicago:

agreed... the whole experience is slow.

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Chicago:

Nonetheless, this Qualcomm msm7500 chipset is pretty damn awesome and well suited to mobile everything.

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Chicago:

Dagmar: So, I haven't found/installed Blazer yet, but are you saying it will receive the flash interface on mythweb? Which flash plugin do you use on your Palm T|X?

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Dagmar:

Dude.

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Dagmar:

Son't.

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Dagmar:

er Don't.

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Dagmar:

Blazer comes on the Palm T|X and you don't fucking want it.

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Dagmar:

Hell, *I* don't want it.

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Chicago:

Ok

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Chicago:

gotcha

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Chicago:

So, back to which browser to use against mythweb from a pocketpc in order to watch streaming video.

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Chicago:

Honestly, I should be able to just click on the .asx streams and watch those.

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Dagmar:

Seriously there are feature barren GTK+ browsers with a source code 80K in size that do a better job of rendering

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Chicago:

I am taking a blind guess... but I think the reason why I can't watch the .asx streams properly has to do with mime type associations on my mobile unit.

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Dagmar:

You also need an asx player.

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Chicago:

Well... I have HTC Streaming Media player, TCPMP and codecs installed.

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Chicago:

I maybe be having mime type issues... because asx is just an encapsulation layer for media types which are supported on my platform.

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esac:

any good theme sites for mythtv ? trying to set it up and my wifes biggest complaint is the look of it

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Chicago:

esac: Some of the available themes aren't fully implemented.

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Chicago:

esac: You could easily change her complaint to "it doesn't work"....

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esac:

lol

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esac:

preferably avoiding that

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Chicago:

Of the default themes, and the default on screen diagnostics, you should be able to find at least 4 or 5 for her to choose from.

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Chicago:

You could also setup mythfronted to use a different theme each time

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Chicago:

or random rather

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mchou:

esac: ask your artistic wife to work on a better theme

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justinh:

random themes... no idea why that was ever put in

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure the theory was that there would someday be more than 3–4 decent themes ;)

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wagnerrp:

needs moar pink skins!

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i now realize that i was wrong in assuming a DJ would know what theyre doing with sound equipment

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justinh:

iamlindoro: there still aren't that many ;)

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wagnerrp:

went to my cousin's wedding yesterday, the guy they had was horrible

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iamlindoro:

wget JessicaAlba-wide.tar.gz

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iamlindoro:

If they were called skins, then that would be a legit theme ;)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I blame the cult of the 'superstar DJ'

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wagnerrp:

horrible along the lines of... cranking the microphones up too loud, so voices are clipped, there was feedback, and lots out line noise

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wagnerrp:

playing music beyond the limits of his equipment so you couldnt actually understand the words

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wagnerrp:

crossfading from one song into a completely non-matching song

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justinh:

well, my problem was that I read a very good book before I even bought any equipment – so I already knew that overdoing levels was likely to ruin my investment

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wagnerrp:

well this probably wasnt his equipment

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justinh:

it's funny – even now I can't fathom how it is some people can't hear distortion. I mean – if they were able to hear it they'd do something about it, right?

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** laga is less likely to hear distortion than other people **

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laga:

but said people are musician :)

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justinh:

on Friday night I discovered that the club where I was working had 2 processors in the chain before the active crossover. a comp/limiter in the amp room – fair enough.. but a very nasty limiter hidden in the dj booth. hit the limiter, it knocks the audio level way down for minutes. Problem was, it was too easy to make the level hit that point. Solution – bypass it :D

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justinh:

not that it matters anymore.. I won't be working there again. I'll miss the cheap drinks, but not the sound system

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Shadow__X:

hey guys

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Shadow__X:

i have a question

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justinh:

wagnerrp: and there was me thinking that it was only fly-by-night DJs who didn't give a damn about equipment cos it's not their own. Maybe they'll learn having blown up enough speakers :P

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wagnerrp:

they had some weird feedback filtering there

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Shadow__X:

when i try and watch live tv from a frontend it goes black then goes back to the main menu

[21:05:16]

Shadow__X:

live tv doesnt work

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justinh:

ugh. if you need one of those feedback exterminators you're doing it all wrong :)

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justinh:

Shadow__X: do regular recordings work?

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wagnerrp:

it wasnt the unfiltered shrill that you normally hear, but there was definately something there beyond the normal line noise

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cesman:

Shadow__X: check your logs

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Shadow__X:

yes justdave

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Shadow__X:

justinh,

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wagnerrp:

combined fe/be, or separate units?

[21:06:31]

justinh:

wagnerrp: there's never any excuse for even line noise. I don't think I've ever succeeded in getting hum out of a sound system

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Shadow__X:

one combined that works then another fe

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Shadow__X:

the fe doesnt work

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Shadow__X:

but the combined does

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wagnerrp:

are you streaming the video through mythtv or through the file system?

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Shadow__X:

mythtv

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wagnerrp:

previous recordings as well?

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

everything through myth

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Shadow__X:

nvm i got it

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Shadow__X:

lets call it ignorance

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Shadow__X:

had to do with the general setup

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Shadow__X:

use the real ip instead of localhost on the first option

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justinh:

this'd probably be why those fields come with IP addresses in them by default

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justinh:

they kinda make the assumption that everybody has DNS at home – which although not an impossible feat for all but the greenest of noobs – it's not generally high on the to-do list of many people ;)

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Shadow__X:

hey

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Shadow__X:

minor oversight

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Shadow__X:

:D

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justinh:

I still can't be arsed to set it up

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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justinh:

I think I installed it but still CBA to configure it

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Shadow__X:

m

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RyeBrye:

Hm. I can save $40 by getting 2 1.5 TB drives intead of 3 1TB drives

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RyeBrye:

Nice :)

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** RyeBrye just noticed newegg doesn't have the 1.5 TB baraccudas in stock :( **

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RyeBrye:

ST31500341AS

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RyeBrye:

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RyeBrye:

ARgghh... none of the good resellers have the 1.5 TB ST31500341AS in stock :(

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RyeBrye:

I suppose I can get just 1 of the 1 TB ones for now and then get 2 of the 1.5 TB when they get back in stock

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mchou:

anyone have a clear qam tuner card or HDHomerun here?

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RyeBrye:

I'm getting an HDHR soon, but don't have one yet

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mchou:

RyeBrye: why you need 3TB??

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RyeBrye:

Why DON'T I need 3TB? ;)

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mchou:

RyeBrye: you watch WAY too much TV if you need 3TB

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RyeBrye:

I don't know... aren't HDHR recordings big?

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RyeBrye:

MPEG2 HD?

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mchou:

RyeBrye: they're big but not that big

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RyeBrye:

I like to keep entire seasons of shows I like on my hard drive

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RyeBrye:

I don't know why

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mchou:

RyeBrye: and just think when we get H.264 streams what you're gonna do with all that extra storage

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RyeBrye:

I never watch them again, but I like having them there

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timo:

I have an Idea for live tv.......Why dont the tv and radio channels get separated.

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mchou:

timo: lol

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mchou:

timo: ause by feburary it aint gonna matter?

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mchou:

cause*

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timo:

Live choose to browse the tv or radio not both at the same time

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RyeBrye:

13.5 Mbit H.264 recordings will take up a bit of space

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mchou:

RyeBrye: not as much as meg2

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mchou:

mpeg2*

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timo:

So it been sorted mchou

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mchou:

timo: analog TV is soon to be history :)

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mchou:

timo: or I should say NTSC

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timo:

Yes but you didnt get the idea

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mchou:

timo: the future's digital :)

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mchou:

timo: that's cause there is no idea to get

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timo:

Same thing happens with digital

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timo:

ok its an improvement ?

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mchou:

timo: get with it man. digital avoids that frequncy spectrum occupied by fm

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timo:

You missed the piont

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mchou:

timo: it spans it by digital broadcasters are going to avoid it

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timo:

im talking about mythvfrontend gui

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

another fool who wants to use radio with his pvr

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timo:

You know when you browse channels while watching live tv ?

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mchou:

timo: you want radio get a dedicated bttv card or something

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RyeBrye:

Well – the 13.5 Megabit H.264 will take exactly as much space as 13.5 megabit Mpeg2

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RyeBrye:

I don't know what the encoding size of MPEG2 HD stuff is right now, but I know that the HD-PVR can spit out up to 13.5 MBit

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Dagmar:

You know how when you go to the "audiophile" store they try to sell you a six hundred dollar radio?

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mchou:

leave it out of myth or any pvr

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Dagmar:

Why the fuck would you do that to yourself.

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timo:

I entirely....mabe a special menu to view the radio. So when you browse tv its only tv not radio. Get me ?

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mchou:

Dagmar: cause the radio comes on the pvr card for free? :)

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mchou:

timo: dont be a fool. That's NOT a myth issue

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timo:

I didnt say it was

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RyeBrye:

timo: do you have radio in your listings at the moment?

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mchou:

timo: that's a limitation of your PVR CARD

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timo:

Yes about 20 channels that i never ever use

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mchou:

one tuner does both FM and TV

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mchou:

it's called device contention

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timo:

ahh

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timo:

you get me?

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sloof3:

Could someone recommend a PCI-Express ATSC/NTSC tuner that works without too much trouble with MythTV? Bonus if it's a dual tuner. I wanted to use the HVR-2250 but the NTSC tuner doesn't appear to work according to the wiki.

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mchou:

timo: there is NOTHING to get

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mchou:

timo: you're being a total dork is what I'm getting

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timo:

no

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Dagmar:

Well, so far, everyone's seen fit to use the radio in their amp instead of writing code to make tuner cards that have FM radio support handle multirec.

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Dagmar:

I'm just saying I ignore those wankers now.

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RyeBrye:

Timo – so when you are browsing through your listsings, you are seeing actual FM radio or is it digital cable music channel crap?

[22:00:14]

RyeBrye:

in either case, you can delete the channels from your listsings do you don't see them

[22:00:14]

RyeBrye:

I do have one use case for the FM thing being involved with MythTV – and that's pretty specific to me.. My local college football team has awesome radio coverage, and crappy TV coverage. The announcers on TV make me want to injure myself

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Dagmar:

I think it would be nice, but I have an amp with an FM tuner, so my "give a shit" factor is very low

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mchou:

Dagmar: dont laff. Cable carries fm radio

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Dagmar:

Oh I know it does.

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mchou:

Dagmar: you can mutirec that

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mchou:

multirec*

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Dagmar:

mchou: yes, but you can't multirec the way those dvb people ca

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RyeBrye:

so it would be cool if I could tie up both tuners and record the FM stream along with the game stream – and then when I wnt to play them back I could somehow adjust the sync between the two recordings

[22:01:09]

RyeBrye:

Since the commercials are done based on when the game goes into media timeout mode, the commercials would line up pretty well – but obviously scenes where the TV commentators are cutting away to strange interviews in the stands the audio would not line up well – but I wouldn't really care. it's more the play-by-play that I would care about...

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Dagmar:

In theory, the box should be able to kick on the FM tuner and then "know" that tuner it tied up the same way multirec knows what's in use and isn't

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timo:

RyeBrye: its the Didgital radio not tv picture just sound. I some times confuse it for tv.

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mchou:

Dagmar: sure you can. most cable digital radio stuffed on one channel frequency

[22:01:26]

Dagmar:

...but no one gives a shit.

[22:01:43]

Dagmar:

mchou: Now now... Use your words.

[22:02:16]

mchou:

Dagmar: what words specifically were you referring to? I say LOTs of things :)

[22:02:16]

Dagmar:

You're missing a verb in there somewhere I think

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Dagmar:

"

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Dagmar:

"most cable digital radio stuffed on one channel frequency"

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mchou:

radio stations*

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Dagmar:

That's a noun.

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timo:

hahaha

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Dagmar:

Sound it out. I know you're not an idiot.

[22:03:08]

mchou:

stuffed is VERB

[22:03:17]

timo:

Doing word my Friend

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Dagmar:

It's a verb that isn't making much sense.

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mchou:

stuffed diesnt make sense?

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mchou:

doesnt*

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timo:

no

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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mchou:

Dagmar: learn to READ

[22:04:01]

Dagmar:

I've been doing it since I was 3, thanks.

[22:04:09]

mchou:

Dagmar: sure you can. most cable digital radio STATIONS stuffed on one channel frequency

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RyeBrye:

Overlaying FM radio play-by-play over crappy TV-play-by-play requires you to synch them manually since the radio play-by-play has a different signalpath / delay than the TV signal does... so using the FM radio in your amp doesn't work... and being able to watch the game after the fact with the superior commentary would be cool – but I haven't cared enough about this use case to build out all of the parts that would be required to do it

[22:04:18]

mchou:

Dagmar: sure you can. most cable digital radio STATIONS stuffed on one (TV) channel frequency

[22:04:32]

RyeBrye:

You mean one mux?

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mchou:

RyeBrye: yup

[22:04:40]

Dagmar:

Doh. Too late. I've lost interest.

[22:04:58]

mchou:

Dagmar: no, more like you couldnt READ

[22:04:59]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, 89.1 to 89.30 or some crap on mine are just random music channels that I dont' think anyone ever cares about

[22:05:01]

Dagmar:

What the hell digital radio has to do with FM broadcasts, I've no idea.

[22:05:26]

RyeBrye:

originalyl timo wanted to know how to get rid of the radio channels so he didn't have to skip through them in live tv mode

[22:05:35]

RyeBrye:

and mchou thought he wanted to add FM channels into his TV listings

[22:05:37]

Dagmar:

Ahhh

[22:05:41]

mchou:

Dagmar: Cable stations are REQUIRED to transmit loacl fm on their equipment

[22:05:49]

mchou:

local*

[22:05:57]

Dagmar:

yeah just chop them out of the SchedulesDirect lineup, reset your channel lineup locally, and then reget them.

[22:06:19]

timo:

NO I know how to do it , i say for future mabe mythtv can do that by default. Like press up to browse radio sations

[22:06:31]

Dagmar:

You'd have to add channel categories

[22:06:35]

timo:

station*

[22:06:41]

mchou:

timo: myth doesnt give a crap about radio

[22:06:44]

Dagmar:

It's got no concept of that at the moment afaik

[22:06:45]

RyeBrye:

MythTV doesn't know that the channels are radio channels, right?

[22:07:04]

timo:

Yes thats why it makes sense to do it

[22:07:13]

mchou:

timo: right

[22:07:15]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: The digital music channels are actually sending video as far as Myth is concerned. Granted, the STB generates it

[22:07:33]

RyeBrye:

gotcha

[22:07:34]

Dagmar:

...at least for Dish and Direct

[22:07:38]

mchou:

timo: how many times we gotta tell ya? keep radio out of myth

[22:07:48]

mchou:

timo: use kradi if you want

[22:07:57]

RyeBrye:

My clear QAM just sends music with no video, but my TV puts a little speaker icon on when I tune to one directly

[22:08:02]

timo:

why mythtv is for radio too

[22:08:02]

mchou:

kradio*

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mchou:

timo: says who??

[22:08:30]

Dagmar:

timo: No, it's actually not.

[22:08:33]

timo:

RyeBrye: so it know its radio ?

[22:09:03]

RyeBrye:

Are you ever in a million years time EVER going to want to listen to anything on those crappy digital music channels?

[22:09:14]

timo:

Well Its part of the experience, LEAVING RADIO OUT MAKES NO SENSE

[22:09:16]

mchou:

RyeBrye: hehe

[22:09:28]

mchou:

timo: what experience???

[22:09:29]

Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Yeah tehre's some metadata coming down because my parent's Dishnetwork feed shows the album and song name on the screen when it does it

[22:09:31]

RyeBrye:

Although I confess, at christmas time I think we turned to a random christmas station on Dish network once to listen to it

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mchou:

radio is not part of any PVR experience

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Dagmar:

timo: Why? I'n whose world does TV axiomatically involve radio?

[22:09:53]

timo:

mchou: use ur imagination

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mchou:

lol

[22:10:04]

Dagmar:

When was the last time you saw a VHS VCR with an FM radio tuner built in?

[22:10:08]

mchou:

timo why dont you use yours.

[22:10:18]

timo:

I have hahahaha

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** RyeBrye has to run and cook chicken **

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mchou:

timo: stop trolling, get a bttv radio card, and look into kradio

[22:10:55]

timo:

mchou: its not ok to just leav radio out

[22:11:01]

Dagmar:

Yes, it is.

[22:11:04]

timo:

trolling ?

[22:11:13]

Dagmar:

PVR == Personal VIDEO Recorder

[22:11:23]

mchou:

timo: yeah, trolling

[22:11:30]

timo:

Yes your point is ?

[22:11:54]

timo:

Im not trolling saying that mythtv shoul not do radio is very stupid thing to say

[22:11:59]

mchou:

timo: just bacause the HW guys fut FM on their TV tuner card doesnt mean it's the correct decision

[22:12:09]

mchou:

timo: lol

[22:12:15]

mchou:

put*

[22:12:43]

timo:

Radio dose not harm the pvr it makes it batter in a way ...

[22:12:53]

timo:

better *

[22:13:11]

Dagmar:

Like lipstick on a sheep, right?

[22:13:17]

mchou:

timo: considering there are other radio apps that timeshift radio leaving radio out of myth makes perfect sense

[22:13:18]

Dagmar:

timo: Code it.

[22:13:43]

mchou:

Dagmar: he cant code it. "Device contention" :)

[22:13:46]

timo:

Im still learning

[22:14:09]

timo:

mchou: I think u the troll

[22:14:31]

mchou:

timo: your the only guy who thinks radio a good idea for PVR

[22:14:50]

avihayb:

say, it seems like no matter waht I do, if I open the mythtv files in anything other then the internal viewer, they all go too fast

[22:14:54]

timo:

And removing it is ?

[22:15:06]

wagnerrp:

the 'mythtv' files?

[22:15:11]

avihayb:

mythtv files-> files recorded by mythtv

[22:15:14]

mchou:

how can I be a troll when I referred you to this? [15:10] <mchou> timo: stop trolling, get a bttv radio card, and look into kradio

[22:15:20]

wagnerrp:

ah, so mpegs, or nuvs?

[22:15:32]

timo:

kradio ? what is that I use mythtv

[22:15:41]

mchou:

lol

[22:15:42]

wagnerrp:

timo: mythtv has no radio support

[22:15:49]

avihayb:

it appears as mpeg

[22:15:53]

timo:

What ? you troll

[22:16:11]

timo:

it woks just fine cant even tell the difference

[22:16:15]

avihayb:

I know that it has nupple video encodeing added on it

[22:16:25]

mchou:

timo: yes, I use a spreadsheet for word processing

[22:16:29]

mchou:

lol

[22:16:33]

wagnerrp:

nupplevideo is not an encoder, merely a wrapper

[22:16:35]

timo:

just aft

[22:16:39]

timo:

daft

[22:16:42]

avihayb:

do I need/have to transcode all my shows?

[22:16:42]

GreyFoxx:

Damn I love this..... Can't find my remote ... and I'm too lazy to get out of my chair so ...

[22:16:46]

GreyFoxx:

mythtv@bork:~$ /data/mythtv/tv.pl poweron

[22:16:46]

GreyFoxx:

PowerOn

[22:16:53]

GreyFoxx:

hehe and on come s the television

[22:17:00]

wagnerrp:

and unless youre transcoding, youre not going to end up with mpeg2 in a nuv container

[22:17:04]

GreyFoxx:

hurray for serial ports in tv's

[22:17:13]

wagnerrp:

so im guessing its a framegrabber

[22:17:16]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: yeah, but you still have to find the remote

[22:17:25]

timo:

lol

[22:17:35]

wagnerrp:

its possible the other players are not properly compiled for nupplevideo

[22:17:45]

GreyFoxx:

for now I can use the telnet interface with the app I have for just taking keystrokes and sending as telnet control commands, and this to do it :)

[22:17:49]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: if you had iphone you could just ring it and find the remote :)

[22:17:52]

wagnerrp:

considering its relatively unseen outside of mythtv

[22:17:59]

avihayb:

well, I mostly use VLC

[22:18:07]

GreyFoxx:

mchou: Actually I started writing a remote app for my nokia n810

[22:18:17]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: cool

[22:18:19]

GreyFoxx:

which I could call as well since I have a couple SIP accounts on it

[22:18:20]

timo:

mchou: Can you use kradio with iphone ?

[22:18:40]

mchou:

lol

[22:18:43]

wagnerrp:

the iphone has a radio and runs linux?

[22:18:53]

mchou:

haha!!

[22:18:53]

timo:

8-)

[22:18:56]

Dagmar:

It also has a popcorn popper.

[22:19:04]

mchou:

kde on iphone. that'd be the day

[22:19:21]

GreyFoxx:

What is up with the radio in a opvr lately? That's the 3rd discussion in 24 hours, and that's 3 more than I've seen in a couple years :)

[22:19:36]

HaSH:

hello all....i seem to have some issues with mythtv. i just made a new playback filter to use the kernel deinterlacer....but now sometimes when i pause or rewind/fast forward...the sounds has a echo...or there are two sound tracks....then if i goto exit mythtv..i hit exit...hit yes.....but instead of closing it drops me back to the main mythtv menu..its like theere are 2 instances of mythfrontend open

[22:19:53]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: maybe fm radio is making a comeback no TV has gone digital :)

[22:19:56]

timo:

I dono , just seen how things can be improved

[22:20:04]

mchou:

s/no/now

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Dagmar:

timo: So code it or STFU

[22:20:23]

mchou:

radio on PVR is no "improvement"

[22:20:30]

timo:

Like i said im still learning

[22:20:35]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm I wonder how myth will handle the digital radio channels I get via firewire... I've never tried those

[22:20:41]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Just a combination of luddites popping up on the weekend is all

[22:20:43]

wagnerrp:

HaSH: does it happen at 3x speed as well?

[22:20:49]

timo:

why why isnt it ?

[22:20:52]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: it doesnt work here

[22:21:00]

HaSH:

wagnerrp, ? what do you mean?

[22:21:08]

Dagmar:

Some people just refuse to come out of the fucking past.

[22:21:11]

timo:

I can record radio with mythweb and listen to it later How is that a bad thing ?

[22:21:11]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: works on QAM tuner but not over firewire

[22:21:14]

wagnerrp:

i recently tried switching to Internal from mythtv for mythvideo

[22:21:30]

Dagmar:

timo: Then you don't have a problem.

[22:21:32]

wagnerrp:

in livetv and recordings, the internal player worked fine

[22:21:41]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: (cause I dont subscribe to the cable package that provides radio)

[22:21:44]

timo:

i never did :-D

[22:21:47]

GreyFoxx:

Cool, it works here

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wagnerrp:

but with mythvideo, 3x worked fine, but anything faster than that caused... bad things to happen

[22:21:51]

Dagmar:

timo: So why are you stirring up crap?

[22:21:57]

timo:

Im not

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GreyFoxx:

mchou: All radio channels are free and unencrypted here with QAM tuners and stb's

[22:22:12]

HaSH:

wagnerrp, oh. well the issue im talking about is watching recordings from livetv.

[22:22:12]

Dagmar:

timo: Really, looks to me like your'e trolling about radio that doesn't matter anymore.

[22:22:13]

GreyFoxx:

I'm listeing to one of them now via firewire :)

[22:22:26]

timo:

ok sorry

[22:22:27]

wagnerrp:

i didnt feel like tracking down the problem at the time, but im just wondering if your issue may be related

[22:22:32]

GreyFoxx:

My wife will be happy

[22:22:40]

HaSH:

wagnerrp, its very annoying when everything sounds hollow and tinny....and everyones voice sounds kinda like a robot lol

[22:23:29]

mchou:

timo: you want work processing capability on your spreadsheet too?

[22:23:30]

wagnerrp:

well ff/rw should not have any audio playing

[22:23:37]

mchou:

s/work/word

[22:23:46]

wagnerrp:

is this sound trouble after you go back to normal speed?

[22:24:28]

HaSH:

wagnerrp, ah yea. that is what happens....once i pause....then hit play....or once i ff/rew then play..the sound is messed up

[22:25:03]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: when you were tuning QAM, what did you do with "timeshared" stations?

[22:25:45]

mchou:

GreyFoxx: like one station during the day, and other at night?

[22:25:57]

GreyFoxx:

mchou: No such beasts here

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mchou:

GreyFoxx: you lucky dog

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timo:

mchou: shutup

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wagnerrp:

mchou: you get worthwhile QAM, you lucky dog

[22:27:15]

mchou:

wagnerrp: trust me, that's a laborious process. A STB in retrospect seems a much wiser investment :)

[22:27:45]

mchou:

wagnerrp: enumerating all available clear QAM stations, that is

[22:27:55]

wagnerrp:

no, i went through the laborious process (the 8 hours exhaustive tuning search script), i just had no fruits of my labor

[22:28:15]

mchou:

wagnerrp: especially since my stations "move around"

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wagnerrp:

mine dont move around, i just dont have any to worry about

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mchou:

wagnerrp: you sure you did it right?

[22:28:44]

wagnerrp:

besides the handful of local channels, and hundred or so on-demand ones

[22:28:54]

mchou:

wagnerrp: what cableco and where?

[22:29:01]

wagnerrp:

insight, cincinnati

[22:29:09]

wagnerrp:

northern ky actually

[22:29:11]

mchou:

hmm, dunno about them

[22:29:31]

mchou:

insight is/was time warner or separate?

[22:29:32]

wagnerrp:

anyway, i came across about 150 on-demand channels, with maybe 15 or so active at the time of the scan

[22:29:38]

wagnerrp:

separate

[22:30:01]

wagnerrp:

the rest were a subset of what i could get over ATSC, plus QVC

[22:30:12]

mchou:

yeah, and HSN

[22:30:12]

wagnerrp:

damned if i cant live without my shopping channels

[22:30:17]

mchou:

:)

[22:30:19]

wagnerrp:

no HSN, just QVC

[22:30:30]

mchou:

wagnerrp: did you get music over QAM?

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wagnerrp:

i did not find any, no

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mchou:

wagnerrp: cause if you didnt, you may have messed up

[22:31:10]

wagnerrp:

either that, or theyre encrypted

[22:31:26]

mchou:

no, fm stations cant be encrypted

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mchou:

not by law anyways

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wagnerrp:

oh, im pretty sure they dont rebroadcast the local fm stations

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mchou:

all the scripts I found had serious FLAWS

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BeBoo:

anyone using an all-in-wonder hd card with their mythtv setup?

[22:32:50]

mchou:

I'd bet the majority people complaining here about their locals being encrypted are using BAD scripts/process

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wagnerrp:

my locals were not encrypted, they were just lacking

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mchou:

cause there is no way locals stations can be encrypted

[22:33:40]

wagnerrp:

the main ones were there, but i get a lot more OTA

[22:33:56]

mchou:

wagnerrp: yeah, on that I have no doubt

[22:34:15]

wagnerrp:

for instance, i got one subchannel from one (of the two) local PBS stations over cable

[22:34:25]

wagnerrp:

where each station provides some 5–6 subchannels

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mchou:

the weird thing is I get DiscoveryHD on my STB, but apparently not thru clear QAM

[22:35:00]

wagnerrp:

thats not surprising

[22:35:30]

mchou:

wagnerrp: it is surprising considering I dont subscribe to discoveryHD :)

[22:35:38]

wagnerrp:

oh

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mchou:

I get ESPNHD too

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mchou:

on STB, not on QAM

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wagnerrp:

oh, i could get their local ICN6 over QAM as well, woohoo!

[22:36:26]

mchou:

and I'm not subscribe to ESPNHD

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BeBoo:

what cards are you guys using for HD? We are looking at getting a new tuner card

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wagnerrp:

hauppauge 1250

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timo:

beboo what are ur specs do you knwo

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Gimpy:

wagnerrp: udev doesn't see my firefly reciever but dmesg does

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mchou:

BeBoo: that would depend on where you live

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wagnerrp:

Gimpy: i dont know what to tell you

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wagnerrp:

north america needs an ATSC card, just about anywhere else needs a DVB-T/S/C card

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Gimpy:

ok, i've tried searching but no luck

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BeBoo:

my specs of what?

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BeBoo:

and pennsylvania

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Gimpy:

does anyone in here use an HID remote?

[22:42:40]

wagnerrp:

computer, hes questioning whether or not you can display HD video

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BeBoo:

well, we were originally looking at an ati all-in-wonder hd

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mchou:

BeBoo: You sure you cable has good clearQAM?

[22:43:05]

BeBoo:

we have an hd monitor

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mchou:

your*

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BeBoo:

mchou, don know

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BeBoo:

don't*

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mchou:

BeBoo: find out b4 making any purchases

[22:43:54]

mchou:

BeBoo: cause you might otherwise be disappointed

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BeBoo:

where would i find this out? i found a forum posting from someone saying it didn work for them but didn mention their card or setup

[22:44:03]

wagnerrp:

ATI cards, and the AIW cards in particular, are notoriously bad for linux support

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BeBoo:

i see that

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BeBoo:

the video card currently in our box does not support hd

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mchou:

BeBoo: find out from SiliconDust web page

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mchou:

BeBoo: enter your zip code

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wagnerrp:

BeBoo: i bet it does support HD

[22:45:08]

wagnerrp:

what is your concept of 'hd'?

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mchou:

BeBoo: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels

[22:45:44]

BeBoo:

being able to output an HD signal to a monitor

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BeBoo:

it has two dvi-out ports

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mchou:

what???

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mchou:

and it wont support HD?

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wagnerrp:

well my old S3 Virge can output HD quality to a monitor

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mchou:

that's crazy!

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BeBoo:

mchou, i put in the postal code and all the channels are listed as 8vsb... what does that mean?

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BeBoo:

then maybe it does

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wagnerrp:

i assume you think an HD signal means HDMI or component video

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BeBoo:

correct

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BeBoo:

i didn know hd could go over dvi

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wagnerrp:

HD is just a function of the resolution, and beyond that, theres any number of transport mechanisms

[22:47:05]

wagnerrp:

DVI nearly is HDMI

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mchou:

BeBoo: if ALL channels are 8VSB you are up the creek as far as clear qam is concerned

[22:47:17]

BeBoo:

well, thatÅ› lovely

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wagnerrp:

theyre almost cross compatible

[22:47:29]

wagnerrp:

DVI cant do audio, and thats about it

[22:47:42]

wagnerrp:

anything else, and you can just get an adapter cable

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BeBoo:

wait, mchou i read it wrong... i was looking in antenna

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wagnerrp:

for like $5

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mchou:

BeBoo: what is you zip code?> so I can check?

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BeBoo:

under cable it says qam256

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gimpy:

Anduin: you awake?

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BeBoo:

19380

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mchou:

BeBoo: those QAM256 stations are PROBABLY the ones you can get in the clear (from cable)

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wagnerrp:

DL DVI and HDMI 1.3 are incompatible, but neither are anything you have to concern yourself with at the moment

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wagnerrp:

QAM256 are all channels you get over cable (unless of course theyre QAM64), encrypted or not

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mchou:

BeBoo: you've hit the jackpot

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BeBoo:

lol

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wagnerrp:

but unless you have a cablecard tuner, which you shouldnt, you cant actually lock the channel

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mchou:

BeBoo: it seems none of your cable channels are encrypted

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mchou:

BeBoo: congrats

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BeBoo:

would it say qam64 if it was?

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mchou:

BeBoo: go and by a Hauppauge pronto

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mchou:

BeBoo: no

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mchou:

buy*

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BeBoo:

heh

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mchou:

BeBoo: or a FusionHDTV if you can find one

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BeBoo:

here's another question for you guys... what if we switched to fios... anyone have any insights on if that works with hauppauge, mythtv, etc?

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wagnerrp:

son of a bitch!

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wagnerrp:

you dirty bastard

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BeBoo:

O.o

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wagnerrp:

you and your worthwhile cable service... :P

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BeBoo:

lol

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mchou:

BeBoo: fios is a different fish completely

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Dagmar:

Christ

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BeBoo:

but doesn't the signal still get converted back to qam from fibre when it reaches your house?

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wagnerrp:

BeBoo, no

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Dagmar:

Might as well ask if it's going to affect Myth if you switch to licorice whips

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BeBoo:

O.o

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mchou:

Dagmar: that's kinky

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wagnerrp:

you have a STB, that tunes the IPTV streams, and outputs them directly to your TV

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** BeBoo doesn't like licorice **

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wagnerrp:

no remodulating is done

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mchou:

Dagmar: stop turning me on!

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BeBoo:

but the STB are the same exact boxes that comcast (cable) uses

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mchou:

whoa, that's interesting info

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mchou:

BeBoo: which make and model?

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BeBoo:

i'm gonna have to look that up for you, one sec

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** BeBoo gets Google out **

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BeBoo:

mchou, http://www.motorola.com/business/US-EN/DCH341 . . . 8406b00aRCRD

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mchou:

hmm, I'm not familiar with that model

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BeBoo:

FIOS's IPTV implementation does not follow cable television formats and conventions for two way television and instead follows the DVB standard.[13]

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BeBoo:

MoCA is also used by FiOS for streaming video from the FIOS's "media hub" for the home, whose role is currently filled by Motorola's QIP6416 hybrid QAM/IPTV digital video recorder (DVR)

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BeBoo:

from fios wiki

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mchou:

that's weird

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BeBoo:

if i am following correctly, it sounds as if it converts IPTV to QAM before it reaches the box

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BeBoo:

from that hub

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mchou:

nono

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mchou:

I dont read it that way at all

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BeBoo:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_FiOS#Technology

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BeBoo:

few paragraphs down

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BeBoo:

saw this under the tv section

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BeBoo:

Only basic tier channels are available in Clear QAM[7]. All other service tiers are DRM encrypted and require renting a digital set-top box or CableCARD, which tune the QAM television signal and decrypt for display on the television set. In some markets, such as Pittsburgh, there is no Clear QAM service offering; all channels require a digital set-top box.

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mchou:

BeBoo: It's not the same tech

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mchou:

BeBoo: if you plan on switching I wouldnt make any clearqam investments now

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mchou:

too premature

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mchou:

but I'm late for a wedding

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mchou:

laters

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mchou:

mostly due to DRM

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sloof3:

FiOS is is QAM last time I checked

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sloof3:

You're really lucky if you have true IPTV

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mchou:

sloof3: yeah, but DRM is bit fuzzy

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sloof3:

Most likely still QAM

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Anduin:

gimpy: Yes, and now even by the computer.

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sloof3:

Could someone recommend a PCI-Express ATSC/NTSC tuner that works without too much trouble with MythTV? Bonus if it's a dual tuner. I wanted to use the HVR-2250 but the NTSC tuner doesn't appear to work according to the wiki.

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mchou:

sloof3: yes, QAM, but is it CLEAR QAM? :)

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Dagmar:

lol

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sloof3:

mchou: For non-premium content most likely

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mchou:

sloof3: he gets all channels in the clear via cable now

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sloof3:

Yes because Comcast hasn't get their DRM in place

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mchou:

sloof3: indeedy :)

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sloof3:

You can also tune in other peoples PPV sometimes

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mchou:

yeah, I can verify that

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mchou:

lol

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Sentry02:

Hello. Problem getting master backend to see remote encoder. Master saw both encoders this morning but would not use the remote. So I deleted the remote encoder on the slavebackend and recreated it. Now the slavebackend's encoder does not show up in encoder status. Both encoders appear in the MYSQL database, and the slave w/ frontend can watch live TV and record tv, although requests to record only end up on the master en

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BeBoo:

i thought you were leaving, mchou =P

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BeBoo:

how can i point to a directory with videos i have "obtained" for viewing in myth?

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directhex:

with "mythvideo"

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BeBoo:

i'll look into that, thank you

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fiyawerx:

Anyone here proficient in mythstream?

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fiyawerx:

I'm wondering if it's possible to set up a parser to pipe torrents to some cli torrent program, might be interesting

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hadees:

i'm trying to play a 1080p rip with the internal video player and i keep getting a bunch of WriteAudio: buffer underrun and a few NVP: prebuffering pause, its playing so stuttered it isn't even watchable. I know my max resolution is 720p on my TV but i thought it should just scale it down, 720p stuff plays fine, my cpu is a AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ is it just too slow to handle it?

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fiyawerx:

hadees: is it spiking your cpu during the playback?

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wagnerrp:

fiyawerx: you cannot stream torrents, you would have to wait until its complete before you begin playback

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fiyawerx:

wagnerrp: yeah, i meant as a way to easily download them in myth

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hadees:

fiyawerx, i guess so i'm at like 97% to 99%

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fiyawerx:

wagnerrp: like set up a parser to display the top 100 torrents on a tracker, and just be able to select them.. and instead of streaming it'd pipe it to your custom commadn (which could be something like btdownloadcurses)

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wagnerrp:

there was such a plugin for mythtv 0.11

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hadees:

fiyawerx, is there anything i can do save for buy a fast proc?

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wagnerrp:

but there has been little or no development since, merely talk

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wagnerrp:

anything that does get developed will never have support from mythtv

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fiyawerx:

hadees: not sure, im stuck on running svideo out and crappy res's for now until i get a new tv, just built this htpc

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wagnerrp:

the devs consider such a thing a whole new can of worms they dont want to touch

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fiyawerx:

wagnerrp: shrug, torrents aren't always bad, and it could be fairly useful

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Dagmar:

Try "bucket of gonnorhea"

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Dagmar:

fiyawerx: 'cept users are already thieving little bastards

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wagnerrp:

torrents arent bad, torrented videos are nearly always copyrighted

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wagnerrp:

copywrited?

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hadees:

fiyawerx, so if you want it then make your own torrent plugin, it will never be offical and never get talked about in this channel

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fiyawerx:

hadees: just curious where the channel rules are listed that you can only talk about "official" mythtv issues, for my own knowledge

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wagnerrp:

anyway, is that 3800+ single or dual core?

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wagnerrp:

what bitrate is that 1080p video?

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hadees:

fiyawerx, there isn't a rule for that however there is one specifically about torrents

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wagnerrp:

there is no rule about that

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wagnerrp:

but torrents are generally considered taboo

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hadees:

you aren't the first one to talk about, hell i would like one but that doesn't change the way things are

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hadees:

wagnerrp, its duel core

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hadees:

wagnerrp, not sure the bitrate

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wagnerrp:

how big is the file? how long is the file? what audio codec (AC3, DTS, mp3)?

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fiyawerx:

thats a shame, guess i'll look into it elsewhere, there's always sites like http://www.legittorrents.info/, not to mention i doubt most peoples recorded videos / music collections are 100% legal these days, bah.

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hadees:

wagnerrp, results of mkvinfo http://pastie.org/276908

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wagnerrp:

pastie.org.... how many of these sites are there now?

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hadees:

fiyawerx, revision3 is a perfect example, yet again doesn't change the fact the devs don't want to get caught up in torrents

[23:55:18]

hadees:

wagnerrp, i think pastie is the best

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wagnerrp:

bbl, unexpected guests

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hadees:

fiyawerx, if you want to write one though nothing is stoping you, it just will never be offical

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** fiyawerx nods **

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wagnerrp:

anyway, my single core 3200 (2Ghz) is about at its limit playing 5–6Mbit CABAC h.264

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hadees:

wagnerrp, so you think my cpu is just too slow?

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wagnerrp:

thats outputting to a SD TV

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wagnerrp:

your processor is the same clock as mine

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wagnerrp:

it cannot be too slow

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hadees:

wagnerrp, hmm so what could be causing my problems

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hadees:

720p works

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wagnerrp:

well this video is over 7Mbit

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wagnerrp:

is it loading one or both cores?

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wagnerrp:

if properly sliced, your proc should have no problem

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hadees:

wagnerrp, top doesn't seem to be displaying the other core

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