| Friday, September 19th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:09] | mchou: | shit, I just remembered why my myth setup is having the hiccups |
| [00:00:13] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: its running not to bad actually, its on 17%... |
| [00:00:25] | dustybin: | maybe need to check i have ticked that indepth setting again after |
| [00:00:37] | GreyFoxx: | indepth is a LOT more work |
| [00:00:40] | mchou: | cable signal quality degradation |
| [00:00:56] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: ok the tick wasnt checked then! |
| [00:01:26] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: how does it find the information about year made / publisher etc? regex and the rom ? |
| [00:01:27] | justinh: | wow. when I say grey I mean GREY! Everybody knows it's illegal to produce derivative works without permission (whatever the context, so that's me put right) but here's the bad part – media companies don't often pursue it. Granted, if they did, they'd not have time/money/resources for much else |
| [00:01:42] | hadees: | i'm trying to upgrade my database to the new scheme and i got this error "Duplicate entry 'Cl' for key 1" |
| [00:01:58] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: crc32 value |
| [00:02:08] | dustybin: | jeeze never heard of them |
| [00:02:20] | GreyFoxx: | and romname and such as well |
| [00:02:38] | GreyFoxx: | filenames are too unpredictable |
| [00:02:43] | dustybin: | yep |
| [00:03:02] | squish102: | out of interest, anyone tried the new xbmc beta? |
| [00:03:09] | squish102: | http://xbmc.org |
| [00:03:22] | dustybin: | before i setup all these modelines, mame word only work on a very few games, now just about every single one fires up |
| [00:03:28] | dustybin: | would |
| [00:03:42] | justinh: | GreyFoxx: say for the sake of argument, myth was made capable of displaying a background graphic and a banner graphic associated with a recording, video or music track... and if said stuff was got from a mystery script which provided them, based on certain criteria... would that still be bad? |
| [00:04:49] | GreyFoxx: | just: not in my eyes. If the user must supply the raphic and such (even if it's scripted) |
| [00:05:29] | justinh: | I mean if I've got a whole bunch of images lying around I want to use.. just gimme a container ;) |
| [00:05:48] | ** dustybin checks memory ** | |
| [00:05:49] | dustybin: | 38911 BASIC BYTES FREE |
| [00:06:16] | justinh: | hell for all anybody here knows I might have a Betty Boo theme on my frontend already :P |
| [00:06:26] | justinh: | *Boop |
| [00:06:35] | GreyFoxx: | you don't ? |
| [00:06:37] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [00:06:39] | justinh: | bad example, maybe out of copytight |
| [00:06:44] | ** GreyFoxx takes his kid up for a bath ** | |
| [00:07:02] | justinh: | squish102: take that as a no, but there was jibber-jabber about it on the mailinglist |
| [00:07:28] | directhex: | copyright is however long it needs to be to protect mickey mouse, applied retroactively |
| [00:07:56] | justinh: | (still not supporting nuvs properly, and no commskipping, no timestretching, no EPG, no live TV, do not pass go, do not collect £200) |
| [00:08:42] | justinh: | new skin screenshots look spiffy though |
| [00:09:02] | justinh: | makes my etching look completely shit |
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| [00:09:47] | wagnerrp: | also, you hacked your xbox, so you go directly to jail as well |
| [00:11:06] | justinh: | no I don't. uncle Bill never found out |
| [00:11:30] | wagnerrp: | isnt that protected under some DMCA clause, at least in the US |
| [00:12:07] | justinh: | might be nice if this new xbmc doesn't actually require you to have the illegally compiled (as in stolen XDK compiled) XBMC for xbox binaries like the initial linux port effort idd |
| [00:12:11] | justinh: | *did |
| [00:13:18] | justinh: | wagnerrp: right, so if MS come to my house & find the xbox which I officially own, legally, dismantle it (against my permission) – yea they could find out. but that ain't gonna happen |
| [00:13:57] | justinh: | if we're going to head down the road of 'oh you bought the hardware, but it's really not yours to do with as you like'... then God help us all |
| [00:13:58] | wagnerrp: | i didnt say it was going to be enforced |
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| [00:14:34] | kormoc: | justinh, it's when they trigger the 'You have to return the hardware to us at any time' clause and then sue you for breach |
| [00:14:38] | justinh: | bit frickin pointless to extend a law like that then, wouldn't you say ? |
| [00:15:07] | justinh: | or were they just sowing the seed for further impingments? ;) |
| [00:15:38] | justinh: | kormoc: does the licence say that? holy holes in doughnuts! |
| [00:16:04] | dustybin: | its time to setup this MCE remote :-) |
| [00:16:50] | dustybin: | it even comes with a IR blaster, maybe i could use that to switch off the TV |
| [00:16:59] | justinh: | ahh brad templeton is another regular on the ML IIRC.. he has a nice page about copyright myths |
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| [00:18:39] | justinh: | heh. fair use is determined by a court on the basis of individual cases. jees that 'fan art' stuff is on shaky ground |
| [00:18:56] | whodat: | sometimes when i change channels, the audio comes in scratchy. if I change again, it fixes the audio. any ideas on where to start looking? |
| [00:18:59] | justinh: | oh well, one less distraction |
| [00:19:38] | whodat: | this is from stv through svideo/component audio into the sound card |
| [00:20:22] | wagnerrp: | component audio? |
| [00:20:44] | whodat: | yeah |
| [00:21:18] | clever: | 2008-09–18 21:21:12.973 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Ran out of free AUDIO buffers :-( |
| [00:21:21] | clever: | shit:( |
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| [00:25:03] | justinh: | still though, if we were to have, say... *cover.png & *art.png – we could do stuff like this: http://www.teamrazorfish.co.uk/mediastream/09 . . . iewplain.png |
| [00:25:34] | justinh: | if *art.png exists, use it as the background, if not, don't |
| [00:25:59] | justinh: | it's going on my list |
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| [00:27:33] | dustybin: | my 'micrsoft mce' receiver has been detected as: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0471:0815 Philips eHome Infrared Receiver |
| [00:28:05] | iamlindoro: | My feet have a funny fungus on them. So what? |
| [00:28:11] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [00:28:19] | ** dustybin prepares himself for..... ** | |
| [00:28:22] | dustybin: | L I R C |
| [00:28:29] | iamlindoro: | Jesus Christ, want me to send justinh over to wipe your ass for you too? |
| [00:28:36] | dustybin: | the deadly 'L' word |
| [00:28:44] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [00:29:08] | ** justinh replaces the lotion in the bottle with hydrofluoric acid ** | |
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| [00:31:06] | justinh: | heh. I like that effort. its tv episode gadget shows you how many episodes there are & how many have been watched already. niiiice |
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| [00:34:50] | iamlindoro: | justdave, Which is this now? |
| [00:35:00] | justinh: | http://www.teamrazorfish.co.uk/mediastream/090_widefanart.png |
| [00:35:14] | justinh: | that skin is very OOooooo |
| [00:35:22] | iamlindoro: | Is this xbmc? |
| [00:35:41] | justinh: | yup :( |
| [00:36:05] | iamlindoro: | Nothing wrong with a little inspiration |
| [00:36:22] | justinh: | precisimundo ;) |
| [00:36:27] | iamlindoro: | Especially if it gives the complainers a tall glass of STFU |
| [00:37:37] | iamlindoro: | Is that the guy from Blackpool? |
| [00:37:46] | justinh: | what guy? |
| [00:37:46] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... maybe not |
| [00:38:29] | cesman: | I take it Ashes to Ashes is the follow up to Life on Mars? |
| [00:38:33] | justinh: | hey they're a team, razorfish. maybe it's time there was a myth ui team |
| [00:38:59] | justinh: | er.. theme team, I mean |
| [00:39:15] | justinh: | cesman: yeah. you're getting it over there eventually |
| [00:39:16] | iamlindoro: | Team bladeChinchilla? |
| [00:39:17] | cesman: | we got that justinh ;) |
| [00:39:32] | iamlindoro: | Operationg ThunderBadger? |
| [00:39:34] | cesman: | lol |
| [00:39:51] | justinh: | I don't think we do got it ;) |
| [00:39:53] | iamlindoro: | Coalition ElectricEchidna? |
| [00:40:11] | ** iamlindoro submits Electric Echidna as an Ubuntu release name ** | |
| [00:40:25] | iamlindoro: | You know, when they loop back 'round |
| [00:40:35] | iamlindoro: | Ubuntu 31.04 |
| [00:40:57] | justinh: | I don't do grafix as anything but a hobby, an my etchins are – ok not the worst myth themes on the block but as UI artwork goes.. er.. ;) |
| [00:41:10] | justinh: | still, in terms of experience I'm still a young un |
| [00:41:52] | justinh: | complete bitch that xbmc attracts so much talent, when all it is, is a bleddy file browser with knobs on |
| [00:42:19] | ** iamlindoro throws some serif fonts and heavy feathering in a bag, shakes, and pours out an xbmc theme ** | |
| [00:42:25] | justinh: | maybe the whole 'we listen to requests' bit has made all the difference |
| [00:42:27] | iamlindoro: | er sans serif, that is |
| [00:43:36] | iamlindoro: | hmm... wonder if the variable resolution theme thing is still on the table for MythUI |
| [00:44:05] | jduggan_: | hrm |
| [00:44:07] | justinh: | I don't want myth to be more popular or whatever, I'd just like to help make it nicer to look at & use |
| [00:44:08] | jduggan_: | up late huh justinh |
| [00:44:11] | jduggan_: | no work tomorrow? |
| [00:44:11] | wagnerrp: | as in... a resizable window? |
| [00:44:22] | justinh: | resizable window is being worked on |
| [00:44:28] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, no, as in, "Wide themes don't have to be 1280x720 and only 1280x720" |
| [00:44:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro: yeah it's still on the table |
| [00:44:55] | justinh: | it's already there for the OSD themes, hence my reworking of glass-wide's OSD the other week |
| [00:45:07] | justinh: | made the world of difference too |
| [00:45:12] | iamlindoro: | oh yeah? |
| [00:45:17] | iamlindoro: | nice |
| [00:46:10] | justinh: | I dunno if the OSD is meant to be drawn at the whole screen res & aspect yet but it isn't (at least in terms of aspect) on my frontend |
| [00:46:56] | justinh: | jduggan_: yeah work tomorrow but I can't sleep. buzzing with ideas & stuff |
| [00:47:05] | jduggan_: | heh |
| [00:47:10] | jduggan_: | im still working |
| [00:47:15] | jduggan_: | sorta |
| [00:47:31] | justinh: | but, I'll be DJing tomorrow night (ugh) so I need practise staying up late |
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| [00:48:10] | justinh: | FFS inkscape is borked again. gradient editor widget isn't coming up |
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| [01:05:17] | RyeBrye: | anyone know the status of h264 multithreaded decoding of a single-sliced source (i.e. the stuff from the HD-PVR?) |
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| [01:08:10] | justdave: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR seems to be getting updated semi-frequently |
| [01:08:30] | justdave: | couple times a month anyway |
| [01:08:58] | justdave: | last update was actually today by the look of it |
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| [01:09:08] | iamlindoro: | yarrr |
| [01:09:19] | my2keh: | is there a better signal monitor then femon? |
| [01:09:23] | my2keh: | for dvb |
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| [01:09:42] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, No real change-- the GSoC is over, and there is some progress, but nothing that has made it to actual ffmpeg yet |
| [01:10:12] | justdave: | the very last line of the article is what keeps me holding off. :) |
| [01:10:14] | justdave: | "Better, stable support (and potentially backports to the .21 family) are coming soon. " |
| [01:10:29] | iamlindoro: | justdave, Give up on .21, by the way |
| [01:10:38] | iamlindoro: | It'll be .22 only, actually |
| [01:10:53] | jduggan_: | someone shoot me in the face |
| [01:10:54] | jduggan_: | thx. |
| [01:12:00] | justdave: | that's fine with me as long as .22 isn't still 2 years away :) |
| [01:13:05] | iamlindoro: | Probably not :) |
| [01:13:37] | justdave: | Honestly I'm probably not really near needing to have HD support yet anyway |
| [01:14:13] | iamlindoro: | For 99% of people, they lack the hardware to play HD-PVR recordings anyway |
| [01:14:39] | wagnerrp: | my desktop is about the only machine i have that could |
| [01:15:58] | wagnerrp: | rather it is the only machine that could, lacking the GSoC multithreading |
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| [01:17:25] | dustybin: | haha lirc problems, this brings back memories |
| [01:17:44] | iamlindoro: | Those which weren't burned out by dope? |
| [01:17:52] | dustybin: | :P |
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| [01:22:33] | dustybin: | 000000037ff07bea 01 Rewind mceusb |
| [01:22:33] | dustybin: | 000000037ff07be9 00 Play mceusb |
| [01:22:36] | dustybin: | :-) |
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| [01:29:20] | HaSH: | i cant remember..but is the internal player capable of audio normalization?...i freaking hate jumpy audio |
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| [01:33:47] | justinh: | HaSH: nope |
| [01:33:59] | justinh: | time for bed |
| [01:34:21] | HaSH: | damn. ok thanks and good night justinh |
| [01:40:05] | clever: | justinh: do you remember saying how my UPS would set the house on fire? |
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| [01:41:18] | clever: | i had 4–5 baterys fed into it |
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| [01:43:39] | daMaestro: | is there any way to setup a transcoding profile to 1) generate and utilize the cutlist (commercials are already marked 2) run a de-interlace and 3) run noise reduction/filters |
| [01:44:10] | daMaestro: | i assume i would just disable the auto-transcode job, enable the comflag job and then create a custom job to do the rest? |
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| [01:46:17] | mchou: | clever: are you saying your house burned down? |
| [01:47:15] | clever: | mchou: no, but the wires where starting to melt |
| [01:47:18] | hadees: | i'm using trunk and i'm getting a bunch of Error loading image to scale, from file |
| [01:47:26] | hadees: | the files are there, i don't get whats up |
| [01:47:32] | mchou: | clever: heh, built in fuse |
| [01:47:46] | mchou: | clever: nicely done |
| [01:47:47] | clever: | mchou: exactly, dad uses those jumper wires as fuses on purpose:P |
| [01:48:00] | clever: | but the problem, the insulation(plastic) may catch fire as it melts |
| [01:48:04] | clever: | before the wire itself melts |
| [01:48:13] | mchou: | indeedy |
| [01:48:28] | clever: | it allready melted a slot thru the side of the rubber boot |
| [01:48:47] | clever: | ive now replaced everything with thick cables that are properly bolted to all the baterys |
| [01:48:49] | mchou: | even melted copper slag is a fire hazard |
| [01:48:58] | clever: | with a 15amp fuse on the end |
| [01:49:29] | clever: | aslong as one of the baterys doesnt short internaly, it should be pretty safe |
| [01:49:34] | hadees: | anyone know what may be causing the "Error loading image to scale, from file: " mythtv-setup then segfaults because it scale the null images |
| [01:49:51] | clever: | bbl |
| [01:52:06] | kormoc: | hadees, your theme might be corrupt |
| [01:52:38] | hadees: | i don't think so, i think qt might be old or something, i'm going to upgrade it to unstable |
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| [01:57:56] | dustybin: | clever: what tricks have you been up to today |
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| [02:07:07] | larzen: | Folks – i was trying to set up a front end and I messed up my back end. Now the log shows that when I start backend it says "starting as a slave backend" Any idea how to fix this? |
| [02:09:49] | GreyFoxx: | rerun mythtv-setup |
| [02:10:07] | GreyFoxx: | and make sure the backend IP and "master backend IP" are the same |
| [02:11:41] | larzen: | Grey. Got it. |
| [02:14:33] | larzen: | GreyFoxx – I am looking at mythconverg.settings and I see duplicate entries. One has a hostname and the other has (null). |
| [02:14:44] | larzen: | does (null) mean default? |
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| [02:19:23] | Dagmar: | Although at this point it would be faster to torch the entire DB and start over |
| [02:19:36] | Dagmar: | It's not like you'd be losing a lot of painstaking configuration work. |
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| [02:20:44] | larzen: | Dagmar – agreed. Just about to do that. |
| [02:27:29] | fiyawerx: | does anyone use mythtv with a large amount of audio files? |
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| [02:30:34] | dustybin: | my lord |
| [02:30:36] | dustybin: | http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html |
| [02:30:44] | dustybin: | if you read the message at the top, that was me |
| [02:31:50] | dustybin: | i wonder if hes sorted out the compile problems |
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| [02:32:27] | fiyawerx: | mythstream looks nifty |
| [02:32:37] | dustybin: | its not very well coded |
| [02:32:48] | dustybin: | the layout isnt very nice either |
| [02:33:16] | justdave: | was really confusing to navigate last time I tried to use it |
| [02:33:36] | dustybin: | indeed, you need to spend some time on it cleaning it up |
| [02:33:52] | styelz: | yea, half my files dont have info. so i just go directory tree listing |
| [02:33:53] | dustybin: | remove all the crap you dont need |
| [02:34:31] | justdave: | a given channel can have multiple sources, and you have to go into category, then the channel, then pick which source to watch... |
| [02:35:02] | styelz: | i have around 13000 mp3s |
| [02:35:07] | justdave: | what would work for me is to be able to put my channels right on the main menu when you go in, and when I pick one it just randomly picks which source to use, or falls back on another if the first fails, etc. |
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| [02:39:20] | justdave: | the podcast support doesn't work for me either. |
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| [02:40:40] | justdave: | all it does is save the URL for the feed. When you decide you want to watch, it goes and downloads the feed right then, and gives you the list of episodes. Then you pick the one you want to watch, and wait for it to download enough to start viewing it. then it buffers because it's not downloading fast enough, etc. |
| [02:41:18] | ** justdave would love to have a good podcast client integrated with Myth that would snag the videos as they became available, and had them ready to watch just like Recordings ** | |
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| [02:43:14] | justdave: | Songbird lets you set storage directories for each individual podcast... had this idea to have it save things in a directory browsable by MythVideo and just pick them up from there. |
| [02:44:00] | justdave: | but I'd have to find some way to hook it to update video titles in the database, since on most podcasts, the filenames don't actually match the episode titles |
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| [02:54:55] | keith4__: | if I go into the channel table and manually fix some xmltv IDs, what's that command that I run to make it update the rest of the channel table, based on the xmltv IDs? |
| [02:56:21] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase --refresh-all |
| [02:56:36] | keith4__: | yah! that's the one. freakin RCN keeps moving the digital channels around on me |
| [02:59:15] | toorima: | iamlindoro: I think there's been a change at ragetv so metacleanup no longer gets the name of the show, just episode # and name |
| [02:59:47] | iamlindoro: | toorima, That's already been fixed |
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| [02:59:54] | iamlindoro: | and linked on the users list |
| [03:00:44] | toorima: | iamlindoro: i looked at your website and it says last updated april 5th? can i find it somewhere else? |
| [03:00:55] | iamlindoro: | yes, you can |
| [03:00:59] | iamlindoro: | like on the users list ;) |
| [03:01:17] | toorima: | ah ok thx, great script |
| [03:01:32] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [03:05:16] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008 . . . /232850.html |
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| [03:10:53] | dustybin: | i have a strange frontend problem with myth music |
| [03:11:20] | dustybin: | i have to re-scan the music on every frontend i play music on |
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| [03:11:32] | dustybin: | otherwise it fails to open input |
| [03:17:33] | GreyFoxx: | sounds like you don't have the music mounted in the same location on all of them |
| [03:17:41] | GreyFoxx: | or somethin similar |
| [03:18:56] | dustybin: | aye ill check it out |
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| [03:49:21] | toorima: | iamlindoro: great update to the script man, works even better then before, just readded some 200+ episodes and the script got em all correct, not a single miss |
| [03:50:37] | iamlindoro: | toorima, glad to hear it |
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| [04:06:19] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i rewrote the filename parsing routine so that it just takes one big regex |
| [04:06:36] | wagnerrp: | i still want to go back through and change the end, so that it inserts into the database with the same regex |
| [04:06:44] | wagnerrp: | where should i send the updates when im done |
| [04:07:40] | iamlindoro: | If they're changes to the rage script, you should send them to Steve Adeff |
| [04:08:08] | iamlindoro: | I think his e-mail is on top of the script |
| [04:08:15] | wagnerrp: | is the rage script entirely his? i thought you did the mythvideo section |
| [04:08:24] | iamlindoro: | I did |
| [04:08:56] | iamlindoro: | But the filename parsing stuff is his, I more or less reimplement the parts for mythvideo each new script, it's only 15–20 minutes work or so |
| [04:10:03] | iamlindoro: | So changes to that part probably ought ot go to him |
| [04:10:07] | iamlindoro: | er to |
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| [04:11:25] | iamlindoro: | If you want to send a "clean" diff ot him, you probably ought ot make changes to his script rather than my version, actually |
| [04:11:33] | iamlindoro: | er to x 2 |
| [04:11:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, didnt think about that |
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| [04:56:52] | keith4__: | hmmm. "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php on line 291" |
| [04:57:43] | keith4__: | odd. max memory size is set to 128M in php.ini |
| [04:58:37] | wagnerrp: | seems rather high |
| [04:58:45] | wagnerrp: | normal is 32M |
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| [05:04:56] | keith4__: | plenty of memory on that box |
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| [05:05:56] | keith4__: | the odd part is that it's set at 128, but the script had a fatal error, just over 32M |
| [05:07:06] | wagnerrp: | id say that means there are multiple 'php.ini's |
| [05:07:21] | wagnerrp: | run 'phpinfo();' and see what it gives you as the limit |
| [05:08:00] | keith4__: | memory_limit 128M 128M |
| [05:08:40] | keith4__: | thus... odd |
| [05:08:54] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [05:15:18] | iamlindoro: | This is a mythweb setting, not a php one |
| [05:15:28] | keith4__: | ohhhh |
| [05:15:34] | iamlindoro: | Pore through the mythweb settings screens, you'll find the relevant item |
| [05:15:59] | keith4__: | poring |
| [05:17:23] | keith4__: | hmm. not seeing it |
| [05:18:47] | iamlindoro: | http://www.nabble.com/Can%27t-search-through- . . . 0s15552.html |
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| [05:19:27] | iamlindoro: | Pay attention to Michael Dean in that thread, he has the correct answer |
| [05:19:49] | iamlindoro: | Also, Michael Lynch |
| [05:20:37] | iamlindoro: | now, to bed with me |
| [05:20:38] | keith4__: | ah, it's a local php override, in the mythweb conf file |
| [05:21:07] | keith4__: | bingo. thanks |
| [05:21:14] | wagnerrp: | you want keith4__ to go to bed with you? |
| [05:21:25] | keith4__: | ridiculous. he's way too far away |
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| [05:22:16] | wagnerrp: | i cant say ive ever run over the 32M limit in any php ive used/written |
| [05:22:51] | keith4__: | i was searching program listings, restricted to HD-only. it's a repeatable problem |
| [05:24:37] | keith4__: | wow. can't believe that worked. there's a list of every HD program, for the next 2 weeks |
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| [06:00:05] | RyeBrye: | I'm thinking of getting a Core2 Quad 9550 and overclocking it to between 3.6 and 4 GHz – that'd play back HD-PVR recordings without problems right? |
| [06:00:08] | RyeBrye: | and I'm assuming that one core would be used for playback, but the other cores could be used for commflagging and other stuff, right? |
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| [06:04:07] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [06:04:42] | wagnerrp: | for a core2, you need somewhere around 2.5GHz to cleanly playback hd-pvr encodes |
| [06:05:12] | wagnerrp: | is that a 1333 or 1600MHz bus? |
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| [07:58:14] | justinh: | heh for hd-pvr recordings right now, no amount of cores will help. U NEEDZ MOAR MHZ |
| [07:58:29] | justinh: | bless |
| [07:58:56] | wagnerrp: | not true, two cores will fare slightly better than one |
| [07:59:06] | wagnerrp: | because its offloading all other tasks onto it |
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| [08:01:50] | justinh: | well yeah but it won't help playback tasks as such ;) |
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| [08:03:06] | justinh: | damn. this tft is goosed. that red line is back & it's not going away :( |
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| [08:03:24] | laga: | :( |
| [08:03:31] | wagnerrp: | mine has about two dozen of assorted colors |
| [08:04:30] | laga: | mine can do a few million afaik |
| [08:04:55] | wagnerrp: | not likely (a few dozen dead lines) |
| [08:05:02] | laga: | ah ;) |
| [08:05:10] | wagnerrp: | thats one hell of a screen if you can have millions of entire dead lines |
| [08:06:42] | laga: | i will need a new couch. since i'll be watching TV while sitting on it, i think i should post to -users |
| [08:06:57] | justinh: | well, this one has a single pixel vertical red line |
| [08:07:02] | wagnerrp: | maybe you can discuss how to keep a cat from destroying it |
| [08:07:02] | justinh: | laga: rofl |
| [08:07:18] | laga: | wagnerrp: i won't be having cats in my new flat (unfortunately) |
| [08:07:26] | justinh: | that cat thread was one of the few recent posts about practicalities |
| [08:07:45] | justinh: | and was thus a refreshing change from MUHHHHHHHHH WHICH MOTHERBOARD? |
| [08:07:55] | laga: | heh |
| [08:08:13] | justinh: | here's my shopping list. is it okay to play HD? |
| [08:08:15] | laga: | seriously though, those "stressless" couches look helluva comfy. too bad they're so expensive. |
| [08:08:36] | justinh: | heh. how can something so expensive be stressless? ;) |
| [08:08:45] | wagnerrp: | that was not a meaningful discussion |
| [08:09:08] | laga: | justinh: http://www.jensen-lewis.com/images/product/Ek . . . -Chelsea.jpg *drool* |
| [08:09:10] | justinh: | wagnerrp: as -users threads lately go, it was a shining light |
| [08:09:12] | wagnerrp: | theres any number of ways to block the cat, from hollow box, to thumbtacks, to whatever the hell deterrant you want |
| [08:09:29] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt take much creativity to solve that one |
| [08:09:31] | laga: | wagnerrp: you mean it was missing a conclusion? |
| [08:09:43] | justinh: | I solved it! the cat is dead |
| [08:09:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean that was one the own should have been able to solve on their own |
| [08:09:55] | justinh: | or.. I got a dog to sit on the mythbox |
| [08:10:10] | justinh: | wagnerrp: like er.. just about every thread on -users? |
| [08:10:23] | wagnerrp: | fair enough... |
| [08:11:01] | justinh: | although, that the worse problems people are facing these days are those which could be solved by reading the very first google hit they find – is a good sign IMHO – but reflects badly on the intellect of the user base |
| [08:12:00] | justinh: | laga: ooo therapy :D |
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| [08:40:20] | justinh: | on a positive note, wifey asked me something last night.. "you know that idea I had about putting speakers in every room so we can have music all over the house?" :D |
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| [08:40:44] | justinh: | so, gonna be pulling shedloads of cable soon! |
| [08:40:58] | pat_: | yeah, I was wanting that |
| [08:41:10] | pat_: | mainly between two rooms and the deck |
| [08:42:16] | pat_: | how are you going to do it ampwise? |
| [08:43:43] | justinh: | local active speakers |
| [08:44:13] | justinh: | use 2 cat5 cables to send 4 stereo feeds around the house |
| [08:44:28] | wagnerrp: | balanced speakers i hope |
| [08:44:34] | justinh: | using my own electronic baluns :) |
| [08:44:54] | justinh: | local source & volume controls |
| [08:44:55] | wagnerrp: | right, youre the DJ, you should know about these things |
| [08:45:13] | wagnerrp: | forgot that for a second |
| [08:45:19] | justinh: | pfft. wouldn't assume that just because I'ma DJ. you'd be astonished how little DJs know about audio! |
| [08:45:37] | justinh: | flashing red lights mean it's loud enough, right?! |
| [08:46:12] | justinh: | seriously – tha majority of bob a job DJs wouldn't know clipping if you shoved it up them where the sun doesn't shine |
| [08:47:12] | justinh: | anyway, yeah it'll be done properly. I considered just dragging speaker wires around & using a central amp but that's too limiting |
| [08:47:47] | justinh: | same source all over, same volume all over, no local switching.. ugh |
| [08:49:16] | justinh: | 2 DAB radio sources, one source coming from whatever's in the livingroom & maybe a 24/7 playlist coming off the backend machine |
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| [08:53:04] | justinh: | amazing what you can do with a few op-amps & cheap as owt cat5 cable :) |
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| [08:53:28] | justinh: | hell, the feeds could even be mono but not even I'm that cheap |
| [08:54:10] | Dibblah: | Cat5 isn't cheap any more :( |
| [08:54:17] | Dibblah: | Chinese are eating it all. |
| [08:54:34] | justinh: | course I'll have to build a little receiver box with source switching & balanced inputs & amp – but that's part of the fun of the project too |
| [08:54:36] | Dibblah: | The price of base materials these days is insane. |
| [08:54:58] | justinh: | yeah but in the grand scheme of things, cat5 is still cheaper than 'real' audio cable :D |
| [08:55:18] | justinh: | and besides, I still have well in excess of 200 metres of a reel left over |
| [08:55:30] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [08:56:14] | justinh: | and the beauty about doing it this way is that 2 cables can just run around the house, terminated at each end :) |
| [08:56:58] | justinh: | oh if I had a blog I could write bollocks all day about it |
| [08:57:57] | justinh: | I expect the bathroom amp/source selection will be more interesting. that might need another touch panel like I did for the light dimming |
| [08:58:32] | justinh: | <3 QProx sensor chips |
| [08:59:37] | wagnerrp: | 1000' of cat6 goes for less than it did when i bought my spool 4 years ago |
| [08:59:45] | ** Dibblah is planning touch panels. Total cost looks to be ~£40. ** | |
| [09:00:03] | Dibblah: | 2" display area, with active buttons at the sides. |
| [09:00:59] | justinh: | my bathroom light switch is a piece of work. Illuminated by blue leds (ok ugh I know), it's plain translucent faceplate on a standard back box. inside is a small PCB with the 12v powered touch sensor. wave your hand over it for switching, hold it there for dimming. logic signal is output to a box in the attic, opto-isolated hacked 'standard' remote controlled dimmer :) |
| [09:01:54] | justinh: | so all there is in the bathroom is intrinsically safe 12V :D |
| [09:02:00] | wagnerrp: | i like mine, that have a little slider along side the standard switch |
| [09:02:10] | wagnerrp: | fits in the space of a normal switch |
| [09:02:14] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not in the bathroom though |
| [09:02:22] | wagnerrp: | sure, why not? |
| [09:02:31] | justinh: | are they IP rated? |
| [09:02:50] | justinh: | I looked high & low for IP rated dimmer switches |
| [09:03:08] | Dibblah: | The common solution is to put them outside the room ;) |
| [09:03:09] | wagnerrp: | no, just direct power, about $5 at lowes |
| [09:03:20] | wagnerrp: | IP rating? |
| [09:03:33] | justinh: | ingress protection – you know – for harsh environments |
| [09:03:35] | Dibblah: | Is it rated to be insulating when wet. |
| [09:04:07] | justinh: | bathrooms can be pretty unsafe places if you don't keep electrics far enough away :P |
| [09:04:17] | wagnerrp: | no idea |
| [09:04:30] | wagnerrp: | actually, that make sense why they recently had to be replaced |
| [09:04:39] | wagnerrp: | although they failed after about 5 years |
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| [09:05:06] | wagnerrp: | water vapor may have finally taken its toll |
| [09:05:41] | justinh: | then again, you'd probably not have as few clues as the electrician who was called back to finish installing a shower in a cubicle – apparently he'd forgot.. anyway he dutifully fitted a 13A socket IN THE CUBICLE & wired the shower into that by putting a plug on its mains cable! :-O |
| [09:06:22] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not sure your building inspector would like that an awful lot |
| [09:06:28] | wagnerrp: | why would a shower need power? |
| [09:06:48] | justinh: | wagnerrp: because in the UK few people have hoofing great big boilers. most of us have electric showers |
| [09:07:22] | justinh: | and a power shower can empty a hot water tank in mere seconds :P |
| [09:07:36] | wagnerrp: | but you have a local one for the shower, its not just one electric unit on the main? |
| [09:08:07] | wagnerrp: | theyre doing that over here now too |
| [09:08:08] | justinh: | immersion heaters are very wasteful. most houses have got rid of theirs |
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| [09:08:34] | wagnerrp: | you have a small 5gal or so tank that last long enough to turn the electric heater on |
| [09:08:35] | justinh: | electrically heated showers are very much the norm now |
| [09:08:40] | wagnerrp: | but it supplies a whole house |
| [09:09:10] | justinh: | they suck though, very much dependent on mains water pressure & temperature :( |
| [09:09:10] | wagnerrp: | i mean what if you want hot water somewhere other than the shower |
| [09:09:25] | justinh: | yeah the combi boiler deals with that |
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| [09:10:36] | justinh: | with a better boiler you can just put the shower onto it like any other hot water tap |
| [09:11:15] | justinh: | the irony is that ends up being more expensive than an electric shower to buy |
| [09:11:32] | Dibblah: | Depends on the on-demand boiler type. I've seen a very nice one which is about twice the size of a normal boiler – But contains it all. |
| [09:11:51] | Dibblah: | A pre-heated tank and enough oomph to fill a bath. |
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| [09:12:10] | justinh: | we're gonna need a new boiler eventually, and when we do, it'll be a fancy one that can run a _proper_ shower |
| [09:12:34] | Dibblah: | Annoyingly, the efficiency is actually _higher_ than a normal closed loop boiler setup. |
| [09:12:44] | justinh: | really? cool |
| [09:13:23] | Dibblah: | Boilers are more efficient when they are heating water that is cold. The condensate forms in the right place and the energy is not lost. |
| [09:13:41] | justinh: | well, our boiler is ok.. does heating & hot water on 2 separate circuits.. typical combi. condensing ones on the other hand... |
| [09:14:06] | justinh: | Dibblah: ah so no effing point getting solar water pre-heating if you have a condensing boiler then! |
| [09:15:28] | Dibblah: | Yes and no. |
| [09:15:57] | Dibblah: | It's not really a conversation for here, though, I just realised. Sorry! |
| [09:16:03] | justinh: | rofl |
| [09:16:16] | justinh: | screw the !topic monkeys |
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| [09:16:30] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... i run mythtv on my boiler! |
| [09:16:31] | Dibblah: | On the other hand, I'm impressed with Ubuntu. Their custom kernel lasted almost a week before I was forced to replace it :( |
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| [09:17:13] | justinh: | people can rabbit on about the merits of different RAID types all day long, that's no less boring or OT |
| [09:17:25] | Dibblah: | (Strange lockups on network traffic – ATL1 related) |
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| [09:19:45] | justinh: | blimey. There don't seem to be any stipulations in US building code about where wall-mounted lightswitches are allowed |
| [09:20:16] | Dibblah: | None of the exclusion zone stuff that's so fun to read? |
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| [09:20:51] | justinh: | apparently not |
| [09:21:14] | justinh: | wonder how many people die in US bathrooms then... |
| [09:23:00] | directhex: | justinh, it's not called death, it's called freedom electrocution |
| [09:24:08] | justinh: | lol |
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| [09:31:19] | Dibblah: | Ah, there it is. http://www.electrical-contractor.net/forums/u . . . ard/4/page/1 |
| [09:35:37] | Dibblah: | Specifically http://www.electrical-contractor.net/forums/u . . . 1#Post107854 |
| [09:38:48] | justinh: | hrm |
| [09:38:53] | justinh: | that'd do it |
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| [09:40:32] | sid3windr: | lol@freedom electrocution |
| [09:41:13] | Dibblah: | Of course, http://www.electrical-contractor.net/forums/u . . . 1#Post179585 |
| [09:41:17] | Dibblah: | is just _class_. |
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| [09:46:38] | justinh: | bloody hell on a stick |
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| [09:47:46] | directhex: | a big stick or a small stick? |
| [09:48:24] | Dibblah: | " The raceway (garden hose) is not listed for its use" |
| [09:48:36] | Dibblah: | ... Raceway == Conduit. |
| [09:50:05] | justinh: | whee Blair was on the Daily Show. will record :) |
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| [10:58:09] | directhex: | justinh, http://kotaku.com/5052097/heres-how-playtv-works |
| [11:02:21] | justinh: | not shabby at all |
| [11:03:05] | justinh: | & that's how I'd rather the live tv guide would be.. translucent, right over the top of the video |
| [11:05:32] | justinh: | channel change time looks snappy too. eat that |
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| [11:06:33] | justinh: | directhex: cheers. nice video. looks like the best non-OSS PVR product EVER |
| [11:06:50] | justinh: | probably the best looking PVR ever too |
| [11:07:00] | Sulx: | hmm |
| [11:07:01] | justinh: | (at least in terms of its UI) |
| [11:07:14] | Sulx: | does recording work when playing games? |
| [11:07:16] | directhex: | justinh, of course, the only remote for it is a black bluetooth one ;) |
| [11:07:21] | directhex: | Sulx, yes |
| [11:07:24] | justinh: | Sulx: the video says so |
| [11:07:38] | Sulx: | k |
| [11:07:44] | justinh: | recording should bloody well work – dumping a dvb stream to HDD takes sod all CPU |
| [11:07:50] | Sulx: | otherwise it would be unusable :I |
| [11:08:03] | directhex: | justinh, i lie, third party remotes, terrible as they are, come with IR dongles & use custom codes to emulate joypad button presses via usb |
| [11:08:34] | justinh: | I still won't be buying one. I think it looks not half bad is all I'm saying :) |
| [11:08:39] | Sulx: | one thing there is... |
| [11:08:47] | Sulx: | playtv is terrestial only and no CI? |
| [11:08:53] | directhex: | aye |
| [11:08:53] | justinh: | yeah so? |
| [11:09:00] | directhex: | DVB-T, no CI |
| [11:09:18] | justinh: | no CI, no hacking either :P |
| [11:09:41] | Sulx: | no CI = no formula1 ;) |
| [11:10:00] | justinh: | ITV show formula1 :) |
| [11:10:14] | Sulx: | uu...messy flash |
| [11:10:16] | justinh: | get a better public broadcaster in your country :D |
| [11:10:34] | Sulx: | just like that ;) |
| [11:12:23] | justinh: | claim asylum here... you're being persecuted by way of not being allowed to watch F1 on your PS3 |
| [11:13:14] | Sulx: | and dvb-t would mean installing antenna to the roof...plääh |
| [11:13:20] | justinh: | they'll give you a house & everything you could ever wish for on your arrival here :P |
| [11:13:37] | Sulx: | dvb-c works better...all the important channels in one mux |
| [11:13:49] | justinh: | (to hear the majority of the anti-everything whiners here lol) |
| [11:14:00] | Sulx: | heh |
| [11:14:18] | Sulx: | I'm not whining...just saying that playtv has flaws ;) |
| [11:14:34] | justinh: | it still doesn't cook my sock! |
| [11:14:44] | Sulx: | that too |
| [11:14:44] | justinh: | damnit when will there be a PVR that'll cook sock? |
| [11:14:59] | Sulx: | I can make |
| [11:15:07] | Sulx: | just fund it |
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| [11:15:59] | justinh: | actually, if there was another way to get one's sock cooked, I wouldn't need a PVR since the sock cooker wouldn't be hogging the telly watching soaps |
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| [11:51:49] | dustybin: | Freedom 0: the freedom to run the programme however you wish. Freedom 1: the freedom to help yourself. That's the freedom to study the source code and change it to do what you wish. Freedom 2: the freedom to help your neighbour. That's the freedom to copy the programme and distribute the copies to others when you wish. Freedom 3: the freedom to help your community. That's the freedom to publish or distribute a modified version when you wish. |
| [11:52:13] | dustybin: | Richard Stallman FTW |
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| [11:53:54] | directhex: | starting from 0 makes hum a huge nerd |
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| [11:55:52] | dustybin: | i was watching some videos of richard stallman, he was about to lecture some uni students, but before he started, he went around and shutdown all the windows machines :-) |
| [11:56:57] | oobe: | does anyone know if i can use an mce remote on an xbox with lirc |
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| [11:57:14] | dustybin: | oobe: if the xbox has usb port and runs linux, yes |
| [11:57:27] | oobe: | thats what i thought |
| [11:57:36] | dustybin: | i installed a mce remote last night |
| [11:57:46] | oobe: | lol ok |
| [11:57:56] | dustybin: | you will need to compile the lirc_mce module |
| [11:58:07] | dustybin: | check to see if yours is a mce or mce2 remote |
| [11:58:12] | gbee: | anyone know if such a thing as a _cheap_ set of 5.1 speakers with toslink input exists? looking to replace the really crappy stereo speakers I've used upto now – laptop only has toslink for anything other than stereo |
| [11:58:25] | dustybin: | oobe: bookmark this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install |
| [11:58:55] | dustybin: | never heard of toss link |
| [11:59:22] | ** gbee blinks ** | |
| [12:00:08] | oobe: | dustybin, thanks i know how to set an mce remote |
| [12:00:15] | dustybin: | ok |
| [12:00:24] | justinh: | gbee: people who don't venture outside much haven't heard of lots of things |
| [12:00:33] | dustybin: | :P |
| [12:01:37] | justinh: | hrm. just priced some reasonable speaker cable on cpc.co.uk & it's cheap. could be way less hassle just to have a couple of amplifiers & go with speaker wiring – I mean do I _need_ it to be as fancy as I wanted it? hmmm |
| [12:02:23] | gbee: | already reconsidering the 5.1 idea, probably less than 1% of all my audio needs will actually be true 5.1 so what's the point? Plus to set it up properly would mean finding space on furniture and trailing wires all over the place |
| [12:02:56] | justinh: | if we hadn't redecorated our lounge I wouldn't have bothered |
| [12:03:00] | gbee: | might as well just get another stereo pair and save myself the money |
| [12:03:32] | justinh: | surround doesn't add that much to films anyway – certainly not as much as good audio quality does :) |
| [12:04:27] | gbee: | justinh: if this were for my TV I'd consider 5.1 more, but for listening to music and the odd tv program whilst sat at my desk – 5.1 seems like a pretty stupid idea already |
| [12:04:38] | justinh: | good speaker placement is rarely in sync with practicalities of living in a real house too |
| [12:05:18] | justinh: | gbee: yeah I'd ditch the 5.1 idea unless you were madly into games |
| [12:06:08] | gbee: | aye, almost impossible here – the shape of the room means there isn't really much choice when it comes to the layout of furniture, impossible given that to lay out speakers with any sense of balance etc |
| [12:06:38] | justinh: | we're lucky in that our lounge is the right shape, but there's only one way it'll all 'go' |
| [12:07:40] | justinh: | if we were to mount the TV above the fireplace (OW MY NECK!), one speaker would lose its pride of place |
| [12:08:17] | gbee: | guess now I have to decide between 2.1 and plain old stereo – sub would probably have to sit under the desk reducing my leg room |
| [12:08:50] | justinh: | subs don't have to be massive |
| [12:09:03] | gbee: | true |
| [12:09:55] | justinh: | 2.1 is prolly the best bang for box size |
| [12:10:20] | justinh: | or if you really like good audio, get a cheap integrated amp & some real speakers :D |
| [12:12:44] | justinh: | think my audio setup for my desk cost little over £100 |
| [12:13:08] | gbee: | not really an audiophile, but these current speakers (cheapest pieces of tinny tat you could possibly buy) just sound so crap compared to my decent-ish headphones, looking to close the gap on quality a little |
| [12:13:17] | justinh: | sounds ace, goes real loud too.. ideal for those 'getting carried away' home DJing moments :D |
| [12:13:39] | justinh: | I think even the barest of 2.1 speakers would be an improvement then |
| [12:14:13] | justinh: | urgh. need to get motivated to open some source code files up |
| [12:14:56] | gbee: | the cheap-skate in me is kinda attracted to the £15 Logitech set on Ebuyer – gets an average 4.5/5 stars on the review front, though that might have more to do with the price |
| [12:15:11] | justinh: | you'd be surprised |
| [12:15:34] | justinh: | usually just the fact they have a sub marks them out as way better than just the same sized speakers on their own |
| [12:15:50] | justinh: | it's not gonna be anything like hifi but it should have more oomph |
| [12:16:20] | laga: | hopefully not too much oomph :) |
| [12:16:24] | justinh: | just so long as the sub has an independent volume control ;) |
| [12:16:43] | gbee: | Scan has them even cheaper ... and with free delivery too |
| [12:17:11] | justinh: | I was looking at those earlier.. still considering my options for this whole house audio malarkey |
| [12:17:34] | justinh: | 17W RMS too, so not too quiet ;) |
| [12:17:42] | laga: | if you're looking for 5.1, teufel.de has some nice deals. i sent mine back, tho. it was just not right for my room and i guess i had higher expectations. i might buy one again when i move |
| [12:17:52] | justinh: | probably only about half the volume of a 100W amp & speakers :P |
| [12:18:35] | justinh: | my DAB radio in my kitchen goes plenty loud enough & it's only like 3W or something |
| [12:18:43] | gbee: | doesn't need to be loud, not when I'll generally be seated so close and during late night work sessions I don't really want to upset the neighbours ;) |
| [12:18:51] | laga: | heh |
| [12:19:07] | laga: | i had the subwoofer for the teufel set next to my desk. that was a mistake. |
| [12:19:17] | justinh: | I generally don't want to upset my neighbours either, unless I do |
| [12:19:41] | laga: | especially because it doesnt remember volume settings once you unplug it, which is what i generally do :( so i'd have to buy a 5.1 receiver as well |
| [12:20:15] | gbee: | shame the USB audio laptop speakers I bought don't work with this laptop due to USB kernel bugs, those are actually very nice |
| [12:21:17] | justinh: | wonder if my yammyhar amp has a way of remotely setting absolute levels |
| [12:21:28] | justinh: | that'd be nice :) |
| [12:23:19] | gbee: | logitech one's are a little ugly, would sit better on my desk in silver ... |
| [12:25:10] | gbee: | screw it, it's cheap enough that I can forgive the looks |
| [12:27:11] | gbee: | umm, what happened to my free delivery |
| [12:27:26] | laga: | hum. xbmc beta 1. |
| [12:27:39] | laga: | do i want to try that? i mean, what if i like it? |
| [12:27:41] | justinh: | can I say I'm sick of hearing about xbmc now? |
| [12:27:56] | laga: | justinh: better than palin VS obama |
| [12:28:05] | justinh: | laga: is it? :-O |
| [12:28:29] | laga: | well, it has a live CD+ |
| [12:30:35] | laga: | and i have virtualbox ;) |
| [12:31:31] | justinh: | here goes another load of nothing... |
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| [12:35:30] | justinh: | gbee: in mythuibuttonlist.cpp, would it be ok to just reuse MythUIButtonList::Init() whenever the button list needs to be setup? |
| [12:36:22] | justinh: | or would it not need to do the whole parsing – I mean simply iterate through all the current buttons & calculate their positions... |
| [12:36:40] | gbee: | ah crap, they changed the rules on the free delivery offer – you now need to have at least 20 posts with avforums |
| [12:36:56] | justinh: | gbee: same for hexus too IIRC |
| [12:37:20] | gbee: | I don't really have that much to say or ask on an A/V forum .. |
| [12:38:19] | gbee: | oh and there is a £20 order minimum – that's probably what I'm being hit by, since it worked the last couple of times |
| [12:38:33] | gbee: | probably makes ebuyer cheaper on this occassion |
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| [12:39:40] | gbee: | justinh: I need to refresh my memory, generally we only want to hit Init() once but that might mean moving out the button positioning stuff, I'll let you know |
| [12:40:24] | justinh: | I tried doing that but fell over on the usual embarrassing inheretics ;) |
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| [12:41:49] | gbee: | I'd create a new function, call it positionButtons or something (better) and then just iterate through m_ButtonList setting each button position |
| [12:42:46] | justinh: | that's what I figured. now if I can only just do that :) |
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| [12:43:26] | dvd-x: | helo all |
| [12:43:31] | justinh: | bastard. how DARE anybody come in here with real work on a Friday afternoon! |
| [12:43:44] | dvd-x: | ?? |
| [12:43:53] | dvd-x: | lol |
| [12:43:56] | justinh: | here == the lab, at work :P |
| [12:44:28] | movedx_: | I;ve been advised nVidia is the best GFX card vender to go with if you wanna work with MythTV. What card should I look at getting? I assume a cheap'ish one with a tv port on it would do? |
| [12:44:29] | gbee: | itemsvisible might need to be recalculated, so maybe lift everything from CalculateVisibleItems(); through to the end of the for loop, place it in a new function |
| [12:44:56] | justinh: | gotcha |
| [12:44:59] | dvd-x: | anyone knows if it's possible to use a backend as a frontend? |
| [12:44:59] | gbee: | you'll want to reset/clear m_buttonList before re-populating it |
| [12:45:26] | gbee: | this could be good ... |
| [12:45:47] | movedx_: | I thought development related matters were for #mythtv? |
| [12:45:52] | justinh: | it'll be bonza when I have it able to centre the button list in the area too |
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| [12:46:18] | justinh: | movedx_: mythbackens is the backend. mythfrontend is the frontend. both can exist on the same machine |
| [12:46:52] | justinh: | it's generally more a matter of whether the machine is _capable_ of being a frontend in terms of being able to play back media ;) |
| [12:46:57] | gbee: | movedx_: har-har ;) |
| [12:47:13] | justinh: | movedx_: in my defense, I'm not a real developer yet :D |
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| [12:48:04] | dvd-x: | do i have to install backend first and then right after the frontend? |
| [12:48:29] | dvd-x: | on the same machine? |
| [12:48:41] | dvd-x: | any articles about that? |
| [12:48:43] | justinh: | doesn't matter what order you install stuff in |
| [12:48:53] | justinh: | the order you set things up DOES matter though |
| [12:49:01] | dvd-x: | but i want 2 use 1 machine for watching and captureing live tv |
| [12:49:17] | movedx_: | I have no diea what you're talking about. I merely want to know what nVidia card I should get that cheap and cheerful and does the job :( |
| [12:49:43] | movedx_: | I'm getting a new'ish machine today and I want to slap a TV card in it and buy the relevant hardware and feed freeview into it |
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| [12:50:13] | gbee: | cat's been asleep behind me on my chair for a few hours now, after perching on the edge of the seat I'm getting pretty uncomfortable :) |
| [12:50:19] | justinh: | movedx_: yes, a cheapish nvidia card will be fine so long as it has the right sort of output for you telly |
| [12:51:01] | movedx_: | It'll be going into a monitor, justinh |
| [12:51:09] | movedx_: | May as well use the 22" I have. |
| [12:51:14] | movedx_: | In fact |
| [12:51:27] | movedx_: | If I decide to dual boot on my main machine, that has an nVidia 8800GTS |
| [12:51:30] | movedx_: | will that do? |
| [12:51:32] | movedx_: | ;p |
| [12:51:37] | justinh: | more than adequate |
| [12:51:42] | movedx_: | Excellent. |
| [12:51:54] | movedx_: | So, I need something for receiving the Freeview signal now |
| [12:51:54] | justinh: | way OTT infact |
| [12:52:02] | movedx_: | Ah yes, but it's a gaming machine |
| [12:52:08] | movedx_: | So it's fine, but thanks. |
| [12:52:28] | justinh: | then you'd be needing a dvb-t tuner device wot is supportered by loonix |
| [12:52:34] | justinh: | see the wiki at linuxtv.org |
| [12:52:43] | movedx_: | Excellent, thank you justinh |
| [12:53:00] | movedx_: | I hope I can get a decent freeview signal :P |
| [12:53:58] | movedx_: | Hmmm. I wonder if I can get the Sky going into it? |
| [12:54:14] | movedx_: | Would I need to get Sky out to fit another feed/box into the second room where the PC is? |
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| [12:55:17] | dvd-x: | any articles or wiki sites about backend and frontend in one machine? |
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| [12:57:27] | rage__: | anything in particular you're wondering about dvd-x ? |
| [12:57:46] | movedx_: | justinh: If I set out to buy a dvb-t pci card, is there any particular brand I should aim for, or perhaps avoid? |
| [12:59:07] | movedx_: | justinh: Also, I'm assuming I'd fit the PCI DVB-T card, then buy a freeview box and plug that into the said card and then MythTV can start searching for channels etc? |
| [12:59:24] | gbee: | movedx_: don't need a freeview box with a DVB-T card |
| [12:59:35] | gbee: | connects direct to the aerial |
| [12:59:43] | dvd-x: | well i just have 1 spare system and want to make a simple media center out of it |
| [12:59:49] | movedx_: | Got no aerial going into my room. Hmm |
| [13:00:25] | dvd-x: | so i read about mythtv and looks nice |
| [13:00:31] | movedx_: | gbee: At present, I do have NTL/Virgin Media going into my room. It's simply a cable internet connection, but I'm sure I could get the TV box setup too without to much effort |
| [13:00:52] | dvd-x: | but i just want 1 system not 2 system 1 with frontend and the other with backend |
| [13:01:17] | dvd-x: | anyone can push me into the right direction? |
| [13:01:59] | justinh: | dvd-x: everything in one box is the most common kind of setup |
| [13:02:06] | justinh: | you're reading more into it than you need to |
| [13:02:13] | gbee: | movedx_: for Sky/NTL you need a capture card (e.g. Hauppague PVR-150) which is quite different from a DVB-T/S tuner which gives direct access to Freeview/Freesat without the need for a STB to decrypt |
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| [13:02:43] | movedx_: | gbee: Well if I use one of those, do I get every channel? heh |
| [13:02:52] | movedx_: | Without paying for it :P |
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| [13:03:02] | justinh: | movedx_: you get everything a freeview box would get |
| [13:03:14] | justinh: | plus one or two more things.. |
| [13:03:35] | movedx_: | So no advantage over just fitting a dvb-t then? |
| [13:03:41] | gbee: | no, you have to pay for encrypted channels (NTL/Sky), with DVB-T (Freeview) you get all channels free except for the cost of the card |
| [13:03:50] | justinh: | by a sheer accident, if you try to view Television X with interactive TV disabled, you'll be able to see the pron for free |
| [13:03:58] | gbee: | hence FREEview |
| [13:04:05] | gbee: | and FREEsat |
| [13:04:18] | movedx_: | Don't be funny gbee, you knew what I meant. |
| [13:04:24] | rage__: | dvd-x, to have both a frontend and backend on the same system is simple — just install both on the same machine and I *think* the default setup is for the frontend to connect to a backend on the same machine |
| [13:04:37] | justinh: | movedx_: we knew what you meant. mythtv is not about obtaining PAY TV without paying |
| [13:04:37] | movedx_: | justinh: :O |
| [13:04:48] | movedx_: | I never said it was – not once. |
| [13:04:53] | justinh: | you inferred it |
| [13:04:56] | gbee: | movedx_: not trying to be funny, you'd be suprised how many people we get in here don't actually understand the basics |
| [13:05:06] | movedx_: | I'm merely unsure how it works. |
| [13:05:08] | rage__: | if not, simply configure the frontend to have 127.0.0.1 or localhost (I forget which it prefers — though it really shouldn't matter) for its address for the database and backend |
| [13:05:21] | rage__: | aside from that, I can't name any documentation offhand :P |
| [13:05:38] | movedx_: | gbee: So I fit a DVB-T card and feed an aerial directly in to it? Hmm. |
| [13:05:44] | gbee: | movedx_: correct |
| [13:05:48] | movedx_: | I'd have to feed the aerial into the room first |
| [13:05:57] | movedx_: | what a pain – but probably worth it. |
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| [13:06:26] | justinh: | you'll generally find you can't get a good enough signal if you just split the aerial feed without amplifying it first |
| [13:06:38] | justinh: | maybe one split, no more |
| [13:06:47] | justinh: | every split halves the signal level |
| [13:06:53] | justinh: | (at best) |
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| [13:07:15] | rage__: | in theory |
| [13:07:18] | justinh: | for best results, do all your channel scanning & setting up with as few things on the aerial coax as possible |
| [13:07:19] | gbee: | the difference between DVB/ATSC etc is that MythTV gets the raw digital feed, a capture card, like the PVR-150 instead could be seen as a high speed digital camera taking snapshots of the video and combining those images back into video |
| [13:07:20] | movedx_: | Well no-one else uses it in the house, so I could possibly feed a single cable down. |
| [13:07:21] | rage__: | though in my days I never experienced that |
| [13:08:06] | justinh: | rage__: you mean you never had a problem with the signal being halved because your signal was strong enough for it not to matter :) |
| [13:08:14] | rage__: | nah |
| [13:08:16] | rage__: | I used to install cable |
| [13:08:21] | rage__: | and I rarely had problems with splitters |
| [13:08:35] | gbee: | a capture card is more primitive tech, it converts an analogue image back to digital, DVB is wholly digital – like downloading a video off the net you get an exact copy |
| [13:08:44] | justinh: | then you're talking crap. even properly matched, splitting a cable is going to at least half the signal |
| [13:08:59] | rage__: | almost every time I actually ran a signal test it was neraly the same straight from the cable box on the outside of the house as in the house post splitter |
| [13:09:27] | justinh: | with cable it's different because it's being driven from a low source impedance |
| [13:09:27] | movedx_: | gbee: Is is a dvb-t card the best option for me? |
| [13:09:35] | rage__: | ah |
| [13:09:44] | rage__: | can't argue there, don't know enough about the difference :x |
| [13:09:58] | rage__: | but that's enough type type for me |
| [13:10:03] | rage__: | 8am, time for bed :) |
| [13:10:17] | justinh: | well rage__ put it this way – it's the difference between a mere aerial & a cable co. distribution amp |
| [13:10:20] | justinh: | :D |
| [13:10:26] | gbee: | movedx_: if you are happy with the range of channels available on Freeview, or you don't want to pay a TV subscription – then definately yes |
| [13:11:13] | movedx_: | gbee: freeview will likely offer me what I want. When I get my own place, then I'll get a cheap Sky box fitted and buy a decent subscription, and then make my own "Sky+" box :D |
| [13:11:16] | gbee: | I only record Freeview (and Freesat) – plenty of channels and choice, doesn't cost me a penny (ignoring the TV license) |
| [13:11:46] | movedx_: | exactly |
| [13:11:57] | movedx_: | We have a TV licence so that isn't an issue. |
| [13:12:45] | movedx_: | So what's your setup then, gbee? |
| [13:13:03] | gbee: | dvb is certainly less hassle than capturing video and higher quality since you avoid the analogue/digital conversion and noise etc |
| [13:13:06] | movedx_: | How many channels can you record at once? I'm interested in being able to record one channel, and watch another, at the same time. |
| [13:13:26] | justinh: | movedx_: if both channels are on the same multiplex, you only need one tuner card |
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| [13:13:40] | justinh: | say BBC1 & BBC2 – but BBC1 & ITV1 are on different multiplexes |
| [13:13:57] | movedx_: | So I'd need two signals coming into the box? |
| [13:14:07] | justinh: | or two tuners |
| [13:14:09] | justinh: | or more |
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| [13:14:23] | justinh: | I have three pci dvb-t tuner cards |
| [13:14:26] | movedx_: | So if I had two tuners, could I record four BBC channels at once? :P |
| [13:14:41] | justinh: | you can record up to 5 channels per multiplex at the same time |
| [13:14:49] | movedx_: | :O:O:O |
| [13:15:01] | gbee: | movedx_: well main backend is a dual dvb-t tuner (minimum of 2 channels at once, theoretical maximum of maybe 14 on Freeview), a DVB-S tuner (min 1 channel, max 5/6) |
| [13:15:03] | justinh: | you need one tuner per multiplex you want to record from at the same time |
| [13:15:38] | justinh: | and that limit of 5 channels per mux is easily hacked in the source code. I made it 10 on a dev machine just for giggles |
| [13:15:39] | gbee: | the 5 channels per multiplex is an artificial limit |
| [13:15:54] | justinh: | recorded 10 shows from one tuner card – 7 TV channels & 3 radio channels |
| [13:15:58] | gbee: | but it's probably more than you'd really need |
| [13:16:05] | justinh: | all on an 800Mhz athlon box :D |
| [13:16:11] | movedx_: | lol |
| [13:16:13] | movedx_: | nice |
| [13:16:39] | justinh: | it might've been 6 TV & 4 radio.. can't remember – anyway it was the max no. of T Vchannels from one multiplex |
| [13:16:53] | gbee: | my 'dev' box, is 2xDVB-T, 1xPVR-150, 1xDVB-S |
| [13:17:02] | justinh: | some muxes really cram em in, to the detriment of picture quality, by turning down the bitrate of each channel |
| [13:17:23] | justinh: | imagine – they could have 50 channels at youtube quality !!!! :-O |
| [13:17:51] | gbee: | movedx_: http://dtt.me.uk/ |
| [13:18:03] | gbee: | list of channels on each mux (multiplex) |
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| [13:18:45] | gbee: | plus, should you be interested in the technical details, the quality of each |
| [13:18:59] | justinh: | hrm. damn rogue semicolon |
| [13:19:03] | gbee: | in terms of bitrate, resolution etc, not content |
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| [13:20:14] | gbee: | odd, that doesn't list the AD streams for BBC chans |
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| [13:21:12] | ** justinh stabs a .h file some more ** | |
| [13:21:46] | justinh: | hrm. I think 'buttontemplate' was not declared in this scope is bad :P |
| [13:22:21] | justinh: | so, my new function isn't defined properly. quel surprise |
| [13:23:06] | gbee: | err, yeah :) just copy the MythUIStateType *buttontemplate = dynamic_cast<MythUIStateType *> ... |
| [13:23:10] | gbee: | into the new function |
| [13:24:28] | justinh: | easy for you to say :) |
| [13:24:38] | justinh: | here be dragons |
| [13:25:22] | gbee: | don't get put off, it's really not that hard once it all 'clicks' |
| [13:26:03] | justinh: | just knowing I wasn't completely wide of the mark is reassuring |
| [13:26:51] | justinh: | knowing how some things work isn't enough, it's knowing when they apply too innit |
| [13:27:42] | gbee: | buttontemplate, is a variable, in this case it's a pointer to the button template – the bit in the theme which defines what the button should look like, it is declared in the local scope of Init() meaning that it can _only_ be used there, to use it in the new function you either need to pass that variable into the function i.e. SomeFunction(variable), or instead you just create it from scratch as I'd suggest here |
| [13:28:31] | justinh: | big ahhh |
| [13:29:56] | gbee: | the explanation might have been simpler – it's a matter of scope – Global, Class, or Local – all variables declared in a function are local to that function – they simply don't exist as far as the rest of the class is concerned |
| [13:30:41] | gbee: | for clarity MythTV standards require class scope variables (so called member variables), to be prefixed with m_ – they are visible to the whole class and are declared in the .h header |
| [13:31:11] | justinh: | yeah I remember having that explained before. well, now I remember ;) |
| [13:31:53] | gbee: | global scope variables are declared outside the class entirely and generally in Myth are prefixed with g or g_ e.g. gContext |
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| [13:36:31] | justinh: | eew. floating point exception |
| [13:36:58] | gbee: | in a way you don't always have to understand why things are done a certain way, the reasoning isn't always easy to communicate anyway, after a while you just 'get' it |
| [13:37:46] | justinh: | oh you idiot. calling your own function from within the same function is silly |
| [13:37:53] | justinh: | mnnnnnnnnnnnng! |
| [13:38:17] | gbee: | justinh: almost always caused by divding by zero – e.g. A = B/C, C is zero, so you need to check first – if (C > 0) A = B/C |
| [13:39:02] | directhex: | http://halshop.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/phpw9jvl0pm.jpg |
| [13:39:08] | justinh: | yeah but.. in calcButtonPositions I called calcButtonPositions instead of SetPositionArrowStates |
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| [13:41:34] | gbee: | it's good practice to never perform divisions without checking the divisor |
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| [13:42:10] | justinh: | heh |
| [13:42:13] | gbee: | assuming the divisor is a variable (int, float, double etc) instead of a constant |
| [13:43:02] | justinh: | pfff. foo / (m_rows -1) would be it |
| [13:43:22] | justinh: | so, I think I'm calling this too often |
| [13:43:30] | justinh: | or just in the wrong places |
| [13:44:47] | justinh: | I took your suggestion of (IIRC) calling it every time SetPositionArrowState is called rather literally |
| [13:46:41] | gbee: | justinh: yeah, might only want to call it when a button is added or removed from the list (InsertItem, RemoveItem and on Resets) |
| [13:46:54] | gbee: | not sure, my mind's not really on the subject just now |
| [13:47:57] | justinh: | well, I've got loads more to go on.. and hope, now :) so ta very muchly |
| [13:48:07] | movedx_: | gbee: is every channel no freeview actually free? I find it hard to believe Nuts TV or REHOT would be free? |
| [13:48:23] | justinh: | movedx_: they cn't even GIVE NUTSTV away |
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| [13:48:36] | movedx_: | lol! |
| [13:48:47] | movedx_: | Man, there are more channels on Freeview than I thought |
| [13:48:48] | gbee: | Nuts is absolute rubbish, but free |
| [13:48:58] | movedx_: | Oh nice, Virgin 1 is on freeview? |
| [13:49:02] | gbee: | movedx_: yeah |
| [13:49:10] | movedx_: | Oh nice – that's my Startrek sorted then |
| [13:49:11] | justinh: | redhot isn't free as such, but the methods they use to make it pay only don't work on mythtv if your mythbox doesn't have interactive features enabled |
| [13:49:16] | movedx_: | I'll recording all that |
| [13:49:24] | gbee: | ok, so there are a handful of channels which aren't free, but nothing worth worrying about |
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| [13:49:41] | gbee: | and handful is being generous |
| [13:49:41] | movedx_: | That's not a problem – I'm certainly not concerned ;) |
| [13:49:43] | justinh: | and myth doesn't come with the red button interactive stuff enabled by default, so... |
| [13:50:23] | justinh: | gbee: did you see that Sky have given up on their 'Picnic' plan for now? :D |
| [13:50:25] | gbee: | everything marked in red on that page I posted is encrypted |
| [13:50:26] | movedx_: | not interested in all that – simply want the BBC channels, Virgin1 (now that I know it exists on there) and perhaps the ITV and Channel 4 stuff |
| [13:50:45] | gbee: | justinh: yeah |
| [13:51:02] | gbee: | justinh: even funnier than the original news was the rebuttal from OfCom |
| [13:51:07] | movedx_: | justinh: what's that then, their picnic plan? |
| [13:51:33] | justinh: | movedx_: remove Sky News, Sky SPorts News & Sky Three, replace them with four mpeg4 pay tv channels you'd need a new STB for |
| [13:51:41] | gbee: | Sky blamed OfCom dragging their heals, but OfCom say that Sky filed all their applications months after each deadline |
| [13:51:49] | justinh: | rofl |
| [13:52:16] | movedx_: | haha |
| [13:52:36] | justinh: | not only would SKy have extended their existing monopoly by use of their usual restrictive practises, it'd have fragmented & utterly confused the public |
| [13:52:49] | justinh: | the emphasis on the latter |
| [13:52:59] | movedx_: | justinh: oh so they're removing some of their free channels and replacing them with channels that require an extra subscription? |
| [13:53:11] | justinh: | they DID plan to do that, but OFCOM kyboshed it |
| [13:53:18] | movedx_: | good stuff |
| [13:53:22] | movedx_: | OfCom rock |
| [13:53:30] | justinh: | the one time they ever did :D |
| [13:54:08] | movedx_: | I work for Vodafone, and we people saying, "I'll go to ofcom and sue you" and we're like, "fine – you signed a contract!" and Ofcom just turn them away. |
| [13:54:17] | gbee: | apparently Sky's last required filing was just a month ago (late again) and OfCom rightly say that Sky's decision clearly had nothing to do with OfCom proceeding slowly – a month in regulatory terms is nothing |
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| [13:57:17] | gbee: | http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a130279 . . . ion.html?rss |
| [13:57:30] | gbee: | best quote – "Sky has raised a series of procedural points throughout this period, including a repeated concern that we are spending insufficient time considering its arguments." |
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| [13:58:04] | gbee: | so Sky's line – "Ofcom are taking too long" meanwhile they are complaining to OfCom "You're not taking long enough" |
| [13:58:18] | movedx_: | lol |
| [13:58:32] | movedx_: | Sounds like a typical company and its idiot MDs |
| [13:59:04] | justinh: | oh farking heck. wife's just been on the phone to Virgin to get em to get us a cable modem so we can have the 10Mb broadband we're paying for. they wanted £40 off us! |
| [13:59:19] | movedx_: | Only 10? :( |
| [13:59:20] | gbee: | justinh: huh? |
| [13:59:29] | movedx_: | I have 20 coming into my bedroom alone |
| [13:59:47] | justinh: | yeah our BB is through the STB, so is a max of 4 -which was fine when that was the service level |
| [14:00:00] | justinh: | now they've upgraded it to 10Mb, so we need a modem now aswell |
| [14:00:04] | movedx_: | I suppose 10mbit is fine for most users I guess. |
| [14:00:14] | justinh: | and the cheeky bleeders wanted £40 to deliver it |
| [14:00:18] | movedx_: | It's cheeky for them to request money from you; you're already paying them for the service. |
| [14:00:25] | gbee: | justinh: ahh, hmm, that sucks really – my new modem was free, although that was a replacement for an older model |
| [14:00:29] | movedx_: | GO TO OFCOM!! |
| [14:00:33] | justinh: | getting it for free now (allegedly) |
| [14:00:40] | justinh: | DIY install job too |
| [14:00:49] | movedx_: | :[ |
| [14:01:07] | movedx_: | http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AI . . . /1011/NEWS09 |
| [14:01:12] | movedx_: | can't wait until that comes out ;) |
| [14:01:14] | gbee: | movedx_: 10mbit is more than fast enough really, at least when you look at the price of 20 |
| [14:01:15] | justinh: | we considered downgrading to 2Mb, but the price difference is squat all in real terms |
| [14:01:25] | movedx_: | gbee: Yeah pretty much :) |
| [14:01:41] | movedx_: | gbee: I tend to have two or three BTs going at 10mbit, and the other 10mbit for surfing and games. |
| [14:02:03] | justinh: | pfft. blackberry. somebody dig out the link chutt posted yesterday :D |
| [14:02:09] | justinh: | now that's a mobile device |
| [14:02:14] | ** gbee has no use for BT (or BitTorrent :p) ** | |
| [14:02:25] | gbee: | justinh: Nvidia Tega |
| [14:02:31] | movedx_: | gbee: hehe |
| [14:02:37] | gbee: | Tegra |
| [14:02:42] | movedx_: | justinh: This one is NICE |
| [14:02:46] | gbee: | http://blog.laptopmag.com/wow-hands-on-with-n . . . otype-device |
| [14:02:55] | movedx_: | We had a classified meeting about it in work. Told us everything about it; it's a lovely phone. |
| [14:03:04] | gbee: | Chutt's handywork – well some of it |
| [14:03:30] | justinh: | movedx_: no, the device in the link is NICE |
| [14:03:46] | justinh: | and its UI kinda makes everything available now look a bit cacka |
| [14:04:43] | movedx_: | yeah it looks good. always liked nokia. it's why I have a Nokia N96 :) |
| [14:05:32] | movedx_: | hehe that has some funky features; wonder when it'll be out? |
| [14:08:20] | movedx_: | to be fair though – simply a fancy UI and a nice gpu; hdmi port is a nice feature, but it'll be used by about 1% of Vodafone's market sgement that's for sure |
| [14:09:37] | gbee: | that's all the iPhone is really and that seems to be doing well |
| [14:09:59] | movedx_: | the iPhone can't even send MMS |
| [14:10:12] | movedx_: | it's a pile of crap. It's successful, because it's a fashion statement |
| [14:10:27] | gbee: | aye |
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| [14:10:57] | gbee: | I'm happy with my phone, it can make and receive calls |
| [14:11:25] | movedx_: | Pretty much yeah. I get a nice phone, because I can get them cheap, so why not eh? Wouldn't pay £550 for a Nokia n95 8gb though |
| [14:11:32] | movedx_: | I'd pay the £50 I can get it for from work though |
| [14:13:30] | justinh: | no MMS on the iPoo ?? eew |
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| [14:17:25] | justinh: | not that I'm that heavy a user of MMS, being over the age of 13 :P |
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| [14:19:04] | justinh: | hrm. wish my wifey was coming up North with me tonight. she could drive & I could code in the passenger seat :D |
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| [14:24:03] | movedx_: | justinh: lol! |
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| [14:57:14] | ** mzb_d800 's 2nd hand // rebuilt // repaired razr is feeling dated ** | |
| [14:57:25] | mzb_d800: | might have to drop it harder next time ;) |
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| [15:07:32] | laga: | heh. the xbmc disk lets me boot "with nvidia graphics", "with AMD graphics" or "with intel graphics" o_O |
| [15:09:15] | laga: | okay, doesnt seem to work in virtualbox. |
| [15:11:49] | gbee: | justinh: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/19/cctv_server_vuln_flak/ |
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| [15:20:25] | AndyCap: | laga: no vesa graphics? :-P |
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| [15:21:30] | laga: | AndyCap: not in that boot menu :) |
| [15:21:47] | laga: | ugh. did a burn & verify to a cd-rw.. and the verify failed |
| [15:23:34] | gbee: | my cd/dvd rw in the laptop is screwy, produces plenty of coasters, reminds me that I also need to look at buying a USB one |
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| [15:33:52] | ** laga cries ** | |
| [15:33:55] | laga: | it happened again. |
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| [15:38:07] | gbee: | wonder if lightscribe is really worthwhile, or just a gimmick |
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| [15:38:38] | janneg: | gbee: lightscribe is afaik not useable under linux |
| [15:38:56] | wagnerrp: | do you ever label your disks? or just write a name with marker? |
| [15:39:31] | laga: | janneg: there is a tool for that (or something for similar technique) |
| [15:39:32] | gbee: | http://www.lightscribe.com/downloadSection/linux/index.aspx |
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| [15:40:43] | gbee: | wagnerrp: normally just use a marker, but that's mostly to do with the hassle of buying labels and getting them to print out straight |
| [15:41:16] | laga: | and applying them.. |
| [15:41:17] | gbee: | http://www.linux.com/feature/118705 |
| [15:41:24] | gbee: | and that |
| [15:41:31] | laga: | gluing labels on a CD is not exactly a smart thing to do |
| [15:42:17] | janneg: | yeah, mixed it up with labelflash |
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| [15:42:28] | gbee: | given the large number of completely unlabelled/marked DVDs and CDs I sorted through at the start of the week, it might not be a bad idea |
| [15:42:54] | wagnerrp: | marker wore off? |
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| [15:43:02] | andreax: | laga: hehe, i like the knock, knock, knock if theyre not centric... |
| [15:43:04] | gbee: | I've only got one working marker which doesn't fade right now and I keep misplacing it ;) |
| [15:43:28] | gbee: | maybe that just means I should go and buy a pack of markers |
| [15:43:34] | laga: | i had a 20l box full of useless disks.. sorted most of them now |
| [15:43:54] | gbee: | threw away the last of my floppies this week |
| [15:44:26] | gbee: | about time too, since I threw away the drive two years ago |
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| [15:45:03] | wagnerrp: | really? i still use floppies for bios/windows installs |
| [15:45:51] | gbee: | all my machines boot from CD/USB now and I've not used Windows in four years |
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| [15:47:07] | gbee: | newest addition boots from SD etc as well |
| [15:47:16] | justinh: | gbee: heheh schools in the know have DVIP units made by my employer |
| [15:48:20] | justinh: | damn cheap crap non-embedded solutions |
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| [15:49:30] | justinh: | wow. LookC really are a homebrew operation |
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| [15:53:55] | justinh: | arse. I find out they're a cctv dvr manufacturer in my home land & I diss them in a logged channel |
| [15:54:21] | justinh: | might send a spec CV anyway |
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| [16:08:27] | gbee: | again, in a logged channel |
| [16:09:38] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:09:39] | gbee: | but then again, if you don't want to piss off your existing employers it's already a bit late I'd guess ;) |
| [16:09:46] | justinh: | indeed |
| [16:11:07] | justinh: | well, time to pack a bag, check my equipment & feck orf oop north |
| [16:11:28] | justinh: | if I get bored tonight I can always reboot into linux & play with code :D |
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| [16:16:16] | dustybin: | http://www.linux.com/feature/148339 |
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| [16:24:50] | dustybin: | when i play my ripper h264 on my PXE frontend, it keeps on pausing, the frontend says this |
| [16:24:53] | dustybin: | 2008-09–19 17:23:44.364 NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [16:25:01] | dustybin: | the CPU isnt maxed out at all, about 30% |
| [16:25:20] | wagnerrp: | prebuffering means some sort of IO stall |
| [16:25:31] | wagnerrp: | youre not receiving data fast enough from disk or network |
| [16:25:34] | dustybin: | is there enough bandwidth to play a 2000kbps h264 file over a 100mb ethernet connection? |
| [16:25:52] | wagnerrp: | is this through myth, nfs, samba? |
| [16:25:57] | dustybin: | nfs |
| [16:26:07] | dustybin: | mythvideo >> nfs |
| [16:26:29] | wagnerrp: | not sure, ive had problems with samba before |
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| [16:26:48] | dustybin: | right so NFS is the bottleneck |
| [16:27:11] | laga: | i've also had prebuffering pause when my cpu was maxed out |
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| [16:27:23] | dustybin: | the CPU isnt maxed out at all |
| [16:27:32] | Shadow__X: | hey everyone |
| [16:27:59] | dustybin: | Cpu(s): 29.1%us, 11.0%sy, 0.0%ni, 59.9%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st |
| [16:28:09] | Shadow__X: | should i honestly care what video card i get for my new mythbox aslong as it does xv? |
| [16:28:16] | wagnerrp: | do its actually at 40%, not 30 |
| [16:28:21] | dustybin: | if NFS cannot play back SDTV rip, imagine how bad a full HD file would be?! |
| [16:28:37] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: is it nvidia? |
| [16:28:49] | Shadow__X: | i am leaning towards them |
| [16:29:01] | wagnerrp: | then there should be no problem |
| [16:29:01] | Anduin: | dustybin: I regularly record and play HD over NFS |
| [16:29:01] | dustybin: | Shadow__X: get a nvidia FX6200 |
| [16:29:02] | Shadow__X: | although a new driver release sounds promising for ati |
| [16:29:10] | wagnerrp: | ive heard the intel cards work decently too |
| [16:29:19] | dustybin: | Anduin: i wonder what the problem is |
| [16:29:36] | dustybin: | actually, it could be the crappy onboard intel chip im using at the moment |
| [16:29:37] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: is this the internal player? |
| [16:29:38] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, i was asking because would it make a difference if i got a 7200 8800 or a 9600 |
| [16:29:43] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [16:29:43] | Shadow__X: | would any of those make a diff |
| [16:29:53] | wagnerrp: | see if mplayer would make a difference |
| [16:30:01] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: in windows, yes |
| [16:30:05] | Shadow__X: | right |
| [16:30:07] | Shadow__X: | i know that |
| [16:30:10] | wagnerrp: | in linux, not a damn bit... at the moment |
| [16:30:16] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [16:30:20] | Shadow__X: | thats what i though |
| [16:30:34] | Shadow__X: | but would it make sense to get a better card now for the future or just get something cheap |
| [16:30:39] | wagnerrp: | theres always the chance of someone writing a CUDA decoder, but i wouldnt keep your hopes up |
| [16:30:54] | Shadow__X: | i plan to do alot of hd so i guess better cpu |
| [16:30:55] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [16:31:09] | iamlindoro_: | If only there was a huge wiki page on what could cause prebuffering pauses and their various solutions, and if only someone had overhauled that page this very week |
| [16:31:15] | iamlindoro_: | Oh wait, there is, and they did |
| [16:31:24] | ** iamlindoro_ stares daggers at dustybin ** | |
| [16:31:34] | Shadow__X: | hmm if only iamlindoro_ |
| [16:31:41] | wagnerrp: | usually one would throw daggers |
| [16:31:57] | Shadow__X: | i am barely here and i remember reading that |
| [16:32:17] | Shadow__X: | i am getting smart errors on one of my hds |
| [16:32:18] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [16:32:28] | piggsy: | i just got devoiced by someone who is not @ ; how is this possible? |
| [16:32:33] | ** laga is getting dumb errors on a lot of people ** | |
| [16:32:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats one of those things where you CHANGE THE DRIVE RIGHT NOW |
| [16:32:55] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . fering_pause |
| [16:33:04] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, i know |
| [16:33:07] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [16:33:22] | wagnerrp: | well its actually complaining, or the error rate just went up? |
| [16:33:23] | Shadow__X: | reallocated sector cound is 5 |
| [16:33:30] | Shadow__X: | not so good |
| [16:34:29] | iamlindoro_: | My recent experience w/ Seagate 1 TB drives is that 1 in 3 or so makes a very unnerving clicking noise while r/w |
| [16:34:59] | Shadow__X: | hmm my recent experience with wd gp 1tb drive is it gets angry if you write too much |
| [16:35:02] | Shadow__X: | thanks wd |
| [16:36:34] | wagnerrp: | my experience with drives has been just fine, but my case has some weird 0.25Hz oscillation going |
| [16:36:41] | dustybin: | Always stream recordings from the backend |
| [16:36:57] | ** dustybin tests ** | |
| [16:39:42] | Anduin: | It won't apply if you are using MythVideo |
| [16:40:04] | iamlindoro_: | welcome to #mythtv-users-and-everything-dustybin-tries-types-or-reads |
| [16:40:41] | Shadow__X: | yay |
| [16:40:44] | wagnerrp: | stick hand down pants and scratch |
| [16:40:49] | ** wagnerrp scratches his ass ** | |
| [16:41:03] | iamlindoro_: | look |
| [16:41:15] | iamlindoro_: | You are surrounded by scornful users. Everyone appears to be looking at you angrily |
| [16:41:23] | iamlindoro_: | exits are west, south, and suicide. |
| [16:41:38] | iamlindoro_: | suicide |
| [16:41:40] | iamlindoro_: | are you sure? |
| [16:41:44] | iamlindoro_: | suicide |
| [16:41:47] | iamlindoro_: | Ok... |
| [16:41:49] | iamlindoro_: | suicide |
| [16:42:04] | iamlindoro_: | You fling yourself off a bridge. Your score is zero out of 1,000,000. |
| [16:42:12] | iamlindoro_: | Thank you for playing Dustybin's Guide to the Galaxy. |
| [16:43:40] | dustybin: | that didnt work |
| [16:44:02] | dustybin: | i wonder if 512mb of ram is enough on my frontend |
| [16:44:22] | iamlindoro_: | Streaming isn't affected by your RAM |
| [16:44:39] | iamlindoro_: | and yes, for SD that should be more than enough |
| [16:49:25] | dustybin: | ill really need to wait until my nvidia card comes and see if that makes a difference |
| [16:49:40] | dustybin: | the bottle neck might be the onboard intel chip |
| [16:49:58] | dustybin: | 2000kbps is pretty high for SD |
| [16:50:09] | iamlindoro_: | No, it's not at all |
| [16:50:13] | dustybin: | oh |
| [16:50:22] | iamlindoro_: | That Intel board should be fine-- I *would* look at drivers, though |
| [16:50:30] | ** dustybin checks ** | |
| [16:50:43] | iamlindoro_: | You could also do mythfrontend with -v playback and see if that illuminates things |
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| [16:51:15] | iamlindoro_: | It would also be wise to try with all deinterlacing turned off just for fun |
| [16:51:45] | iamlindoro_: | also, toggling the aggressive audio buffering switch might be wise... to me it sounds like either an audio settings issue or a video driver one |
| [16:51:50] | dustybin: | Driver "intel" |
| [16:51:50] | dustybin: | BoardName "82865G Integrated Graphics Controller" |
| [16:52:03] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:53:41] | oobe: | does anyone know any nvidia agp cards than can do 1080 resolution to a plasma tv |
| [16:53:59] | dustybin: | oobe: that can, make sure its a FX6200 |
| [16:54:02] | dustybin: | the |
| [16:54:03] | dustybin: | they |
| [16:54:12] | iamlindoro_: | 5200 or better will be fine |
| [16:54:18] | wagnerrp: | a plasma tv makes no difference |
| [16:54:29] | wagnerrp: | only the input said plasma tv uses |
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| [16:55:56] | dustybin: | i forgot, ive got Greedy HighMotion selected for de-interlacing, maybe thats the problem |
| [16:56:00] | dustybin: | greedyhdeint: size changed from 0 x 0 -> 720 x 448 |
| [16:56:01] | oobe: | iamlindoro_, im actuall reading about the 5200 it has some advantages i can get one on ebay for less than 10$ and it can have a color osd using xvmc :) |
| [16:56:20] | gbee: | oobe: vga, dvi, hdmi? not that I know the answer whichever you choose, but it helps |
| [16:56:35] | oobe: | dvi |
| [16:56:43] | oobe: | thats what i hope to get working |
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| [16:56:59] | oobe: | i would prefer hdmi but i dont know any agp hdmi cards |
| [16:56:59] | wagnerrp: | make sure that 5200 supports that resolution on digital |
| [16:57:14] | iamlindoro_: | oobe, very generally speaking, yes, AGP has bandwidth for 1080 stuff, and a 5200 is capable of 1080 output. Outside of that, you'll have to look up the specs of your specific card. |
| [16:57:17] | oobe: | it supports almost double 1080 |
| [16:57:28] | dustybin: | NVP: prebuffering pause :-( |
| [16:57:29] | wagnerrp: | oobe: HDMI === DVI, you can just get an adapter (cable) |
| [16:57:43] | oobe: | but what about sound |
| [16:57:46] | gbee: | plus the specs of the TV to see what resolutions and refresh rates it will accept |
| [16:57:52] | oobe: | doesn hdmi out put sound from the pc to tv |
| [16:58:07] | oobe: | other wise i have to plug speakers into the pc |
| [16:58:13] | gbee: | HDMI == DVI, HDMI !== DVI |
| [16:58:18] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: capable of 1080 digital? because older cards usually only supported 1280 or 1600 |
| [16:58:19] | oobe: | is that correct |
| [16:58:44] | oobe: | i thought DVI and hdmi are the same except hdmi does sound to |
| [16:58:52] | wagnerrp: | thats correct, HDMI has the advantage of pumping audio as well, but almost no card allows linux to take advantage of it |
| [16:59:00] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [16:59:05] | wagnerrp: | HDMI 1.3 is a deviation from DVI |
| [16:59:12] | gbee: | == – equal, === – identical :) |
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| [16:59:12] | oobe: | so either way im going to need to add speakers to the pc |
| [16:59:19] | wagnerrp: | much like DL DVI is a deviation from HDMI |
| [16:59:21] | RyeBrye: | Would an extra $100 to go from a Core2 Duo a 3 Ghz to a Core2 Quad at 2.83 (either of them I'd OC up to 3.6 or 4) – see any benefit for MythTV useage? |
| [16:59:24] | wagnerrp: | both make it incompatible |
| [16:59:32] | wagnerrp: | but neither are anything you have to worry about |
| [16:59:45] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: do you transcode? |
| [16:59:47] | gbee: | wagnerrp: ATI cards allow sound over HDMI |
| [16:59:52] | gbee: | in linux |
| [16:59:59] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye, If you're running lots of commflagging/transcoding, yes. If it's just for playback, then no. |
| [17:00:06] | oobe: | wagnerrp, incompatable ? |
| [17:00:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, but ATI cards are... ATI |
| [17:00:32] | RyeBrye: | I can have the new beefy box run as the masterbackend and run commflag jobs for things recorded on a slave backend, correct? |
| [17:00:44] | wagnerrp: | oobe: HDMI 1.3 cranked up the allowable frequency for increased bandwidth, DLDVI added more connectors for increased bandwidth |
| [17:00:50] | iamlindoro_: | RyeBrye, sure |
| [17:01:00] | wagnerrp: | both extend outside their shared compatibility |
| [17:01:23] | RyeBrye: | I suppose if I had a box capable of transcoding quickly, I would transcode more |
| [17:01:24] | wagnerrp: | but as i said, you dont have to worry about either |
| [17:01:36] | dustybin: | iamlindoro_: its def the drivers, different options do different stuff |
| [17:01:52] | gbee: | my onboard ATI x1250 is connected via HDMI w/ sound, good stuff |
| [17:02:02] | oobe: | this card im looking at the 5200 says |
| [17:02:02] | oobe: | 2048 x 1536 max res |
| [17:02:16] | oobe: | so i think it should work |
| [17:02:25] | oobe: | it has dvi and s-video |
| [17:02:58] | wagnerrp: | the maximum digital resolution is NOT 2048x1536, look again |
| [17:03:12] | wagnerrp: | at best its 1920x1200, but im worried it might be 1600x1200 |
| [17:03:59] | oobe: | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NVidia-FX5200-128MB-DV . . . photohosting |
| [17:04:21] | wagnerrp: | thats fine, look somewhere else |
| [17:04:32] | oobe: | sorry you dont have to look just thought it may help if you knew what i was looking at |
| [17:04:52] | wagnerrp: | the best resolution youre ever going to get out of a single link video card is 1920x1200 |
| [17:04:55] | oobe: | ah ok so you think there specs are wrong |
| [17:05:06] | wagnerrp: | that higher resolution is the maximum analog resolution |
| [17:05:19] | oobe: | which is enough for full hdtv anyway |
| [17:05:46] | wagnerrp: | correct, but i dont know if that card actually supports that high |
| [17:06:04] | wagnerrp: | for instance, my laptop supports 1600x1200 analog, but only 1024x768 digital |
| [17:06:08] | oobe: | im wondering if i can stream hdtv over my network anyway |
| [17:06:14] | wagnerrp: | older hardware doesnt support the full digital resolution |
| [17:06:22] | wagnerrp: | oobe: is it wired? |
| [17:06:30] | oobe: | this fe will be |
| [17:06:45] | oobe: | but be isnt |
| [17:06:51] | oobe: | its on a 54g |
| [17:06:52] | wagnerrp: | that could be a problem |
| [17:07:06] | oobe: | well i wont worry about hd |
| [17:07:22] | wagnerrp: | hdtv can be upwards of 19mbps, the best youll ever see over 54g is about 25mbps |
| [17:07:26] | oobe: | i usually record sd instead of hd if i get a choice to save space |
| [17:07:51] | wagnerrp: | well if youre recording digital, you have no choice |
| [17:07:58] | wagnerrp: | you just record what they give you |
| [17:08:20] | wagnerrp: | if youre recording analog, you have no choice there either, its going to be SD |
| [17:08:29] | oobe: | in australia where i live all the FTA channel give you hd and sd playing the same shows |
| [17:08:47] | wagnerrp: | they run the same show on an SD subchannel? |
| [17:08:56] | oobe: | yeah |
| [17:09:19] | oobe: | and sometimes they show different stuff but usually the sd and hd channels are the same |
| [17:09:32] | oobe: | and even then if i do record a hd show i can transcode it |
| [17:09:57] | oobe: | i dont want to upgrade everything i just want a cheap FE for the living room |
| [17:10:15] | wagnerrp: | so run a wire to the backend |
| [17:10:15] | oobe: | and SD is fine |
| [17:10:37] | wagnerrp: | expect that if you run a nearby microwave, or use a 2.4GHz phone, SD streaming will falter as well |
| [17:10:46] | oobe: | nah i would of done that already |
| [17:10:57] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [17:11:01] | oobe: | the pc im on now is the BE im talking about |
| [17:11:16] | oobe: | im using ndiswrapper and its connection has been rock solid |
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| [17:11:29] | oobe: | connection never drops |
| [17:11:30] | wagnerrp: | im not talking about the connection dropping |
| [17:11:39] | wagnerrp: | just having short periods of lack of throughput |
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| [17:11:54] | wagnerrp: | you drop all data for half a second here or there |
| [17:11:56] | oobe: | well it can stream to a windows laptop also on 54g using myth player |
| [17:12:03] | wagnerrp: | ok then |
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| [17:12:16] | oobe: | but that was sd |
| [17:12:40] | oobe: | and if the show hasnt been transcoded i needed to increase the buffer size |
| [17:13:28] | oobe: | im hoping this will work do you see any problems based on what we have discussed |
| [17:14:52] | wagnerrp: | basically, wireless may support SD, it will likely not support HD, and that card may not support 1920x1200 over DVI |
| [17:16:25] | wagnerrp: | some brief use of google shows at least one 5200 (by XFX) only supports 1600x1200 over DVI |
| [17:16:52] | oobe: | ok then i can do without hd |
| [17:17:06] | oobe: | but 1600x1200 is ample for dvi |
| [17:19:01] | wagnerrp: | 1280x720 would probably be a better option, just to maintain proper aspect on the tv |
| [17:19:34] | oobe: | ok i have never setup mythtv on a real tv b4 |
| [17:19:48] | oobe: | i always have used my lcd monitors |
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| [17:20:26] | oobe: | my plan is to set up this fe on my kb and monitor then once its ready plug it into the tv |
| [17:20:50] | oobe: | but i think it may not be that simple as i will have to experiment with the xorg.conf |
| [17:21:12] | oobe: | and configure for only tv out without a monitor |
| [17:21:17] | oobe: | i spose i could use ssh |
| [17:21:19] | wagnerrp: | if youre using DVI, it should be nothing more difficult than changing the resolution |
| [17:21:32] | wagnerrp: | youre not using tv-out, youre using DVI |
| [17:21:39] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [17:23:34] | oobe: | 99% of my BE recordings are 720x576 |
| [17:24:23] | oobe: | so thats it im gonna get a small cheap p4 and that cheap 5200fx |
| [17:24:32] | oobe: | thanks for chatting with me about this |
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| [18:13:23] | oobe: | wagnerrp, would i be better off getting a 7600gs for more money or is that just a waste if i only plan on SD playback |
| [18:13:40] | oobe: | thats if you still round of course |
| [18:13:44] | wagnerrp: | it will get you 1080p output, but its otherwise a waste of money |
| [18:14:06] | directhex: | a waste for SD or HD |
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| [18:25:56] | iamlindoro_: | Ugh, reading the Linux CUDA forums is like watching chimpanzees try to drive a car made of twigs |
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| [18:26:47] | wagnerrp: | well you know, they pound away on the keyboard long enough, theyll eventually stumble across something worthwhile |
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| [18:28:30] | iamlindoro_: | Maybe so :) |
| [18:28:40] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, s/the/& PUBLIC/ |
| [18:28:55] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, some of us have access to the private developer forums which are more fruitful |
| [18:29:13] | iamlindoro_: | directhex, Hope so! :) Anything looking promising that hasn't been endlessly rehashed? |
| [18:32:48] | directhex: | no idea. i'm just being facetious & trying to show off. it's a delightful character flaw |
| [18:33:17] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
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| [18:37:39] | iamlindoro_: | I wonder if my head would explode if I played with XBMC |
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| [18:41:35] | gbee: | should I be worried by this trend? |
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| [18:42:19] | iamlindoro_: | You know I've only got love for MythTV |
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| [18:46:35] | oobe: | does anyone know how i can easily check the mps of my mythtv recordings? |
| [18:47:13] | iamlindoro_: | Do you mean the bitrate? |
| [18:47:21] | oobe: | yeah sorry |
| [18:47:24] | iamlindoro_: | ffmpeg -i somefile.ext |
| [18:47:51] | iamlindoro_: | or use a calculator, size of file in Kb / number of seconds = Kbps |
| [18:48:02] | oobe: | what i want to figure is how much network bandwidth my BE/FE will use streaming |
| [18:48:49] | tank-man: | simple algerbra |
| [18:48:49] | kormoc: | so look at a recording, see that it's x hours and x minutes and then look at the file size and then go to google and do some math? |
| [18:48:57] | kormoc: | google even does it for ya |
| [18:49:16] | oobe: | ffmpeg -i doesnt work with nuv |
| [18:49:27] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1.2+ . . . ;btnG=Search |
| [18:50:11] | gbee: | if recording to nuv, or transcoding then the recording profile would give your chosen average bitrate |
| [18:51:12] | oobe: | so according to this http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=8+gi . . . ;btnG=Search i should beable to stream hdtv over a 54g network |
| [18:51:22] | oobe: | but i dont really think thats true |
| [18:51:31] | wagnerrp: | hes recording digital, so its whatever the digital gives you |
| [18:51:47] | wagnerrp: | under perfect conditions, 54g should have no trouble streaming HD mpeg2 |
| [18:51:55] | wagnerrp: | but youll never get perfect conditions |
| [18:52:29] | wagnerrp: | the real problem isnt bandwidth though, its reliability |
| [18:52:44] | wagnerrp: | youll have momentary lapses in bandwidth, that will cause the video to pause |
| [18:52:50] | gbee: | if he's recording digital it wouldn't be nuv |
| [18:53:05] | wagnerrp: | ah, good point |
| [18:53:56] | oobe: | it is nuv after transcoding |
| [18:54:15] | oobe: | im yet to make a decent hdtv profile |
| [18:54:25] | oobe: | and i rarely record hdtv |
| [18:54:39] | oobe: | but still wont to know it will work |
| [18:55:24] | wagnerrp: | well ASP HD should be around 5–8mbit |
| [18:55:41] | wagnerrp: | again, it should run fine over wireless, but its other lapses you have to worry about |
| [18:56:34] | oobe: | ok ty wagnerrp but SD wont suffer from the lapses |
| [18:56:59] | wagnerrp: | sd mpeg2 will be 3–6mbit |
| [18:57:11] | wagnerrp: | sd asp will be ~1mbit |
| [18:57:23] | oobe: | what is asp? |
| [18:57:30] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 may give you some troubles, it works fine on my laptop |
| [18:57:40] | wagnerrp: | asp should have no issues |
| [18:57:46] | wagnerrp: | asp = advanced simple profile |
| [18:58:00] | oobe: | whats that sorry? |
| [18:58:01] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to avc, advanced video codec |
| [18:58:08] | wagnerrp: | asp is what divx and xvid use |
| [18:58:13] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [18:58:15] | wagnerrp: | avc is what h.264 uses |
| [18:58:31] | oobe: | so would nuv be asp? |
| [18:59:09] | wagnerrp: | i believe mythtv transcodes to standard mpeg4 asp |
| [18:59:15] | oobe: | "Selected video codec: [ffodivx] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg MPEG-4)" |
| [18:59:23] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the modified divx or xvid |
| [18:59:26] | oobe: | thats what mplayer says |
| [19:01:14] | oobe: | so just to confirm i keep reading threads about people having trouble with modelines are saying if i use a dvi >> hdmi it should just work after i detach the FE from a key board and monitor and plug it into the tv |
| [19:01:57] | wagnerrp: | assuming its a resolution that the tv supports, it should just work |
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| [19:04:24] | oobe: | so if i changed it to 1080 it will work ok |
| [19:04:34] | dustybin: | with regards to my pre-buffer issue, if i play back the file using mplayer, no problems at all |
| [19:04:45] | gbee: | modelines are kinda pointless for most people these days, it's only because the old docs refer to them that people keep using them |
| [19:05:23] | oobe: | thanks i guess im getting ahead of myself since i havent bought any of this stuff yet |
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| [19:05:38] | gbee: | just pick the correct resolution and refresh rate in whatever setup utility your distro offers, X and the graphics card driver will do the rest |
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| [19:06:18] | oobe: | is there an easy way to find out my tv's reresh rate |
| [19:06:22] | gbee: | modelines don't even work (they do absolutely nothing) for TV-out, modern versions of X and drivers just don't need them |
| [19:06:34] | oobe: | its probably 50hz |
| [19:06:59] | gbee: | oobe: manual, normally in the appendix at the back, it will list supported resolutions and refresh rates for the input type (vga, dvi, hdmi) |
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| [19:07:30] | wagnerrp: | the TV itself probably supports a range of frequencies |
| [19:07:42] | wagnerrp: | but you should run it at 50, since thats what nearly all your content will be |
| [19:08:43] | gbee: | wagnerrp: depends, my Sony only has one (two technically) for HDMI and only one refresh rate per the 5 or so supported resolutions through VGA |
| [19:09:46] | oobe: | when i google any particular card i find more threads on people with problems than solutions so i guess this is why im asking so many questions plus i have never done this b4 except on an old crt which have bad overscan problems |
| [19:10:58] | gbee: | people don't post to forums when things work |
| [19:12:11] | oobe: | i know lol |
| [19:12:18] | gbee: | "I've just bought a card and I'd like to tell everyone that it works, I didn't have any problems and I'm very satisfied." |
| [19:13:13] | wagnerrp: | people on newegg do that |
| [19:13:40] | kormoc: | Ahh, the internet. The largest ball of negativity in existence |
| [19:13:59] | wagnerrp: | of course the guy on newegg who dremels the PCIe connector so it fits in a standard PCI slot considers himself technologically knowledgable |
| [19:14:10] | gbee: | anyone reading the -users list might assume that MythTV is bug ridden, impossible to install, that no-one has ever got it to work and that it's missing hundreds of features |
| [19:14:35] | iamlindoro_: | I personally assume that forced sterilization might be a good idea |
| [19:14:52] | gbee: | reality is of course completely opposite :) |
| [19:15:37] | wagnerrp: | i think there are hundreds of features that people may want and arent in mythtv |
| [19:15:58] | gbee: | wagnerrp: thankfully people do it on hardware retail sites here too, but those are the exception and not the rule |
| [19:16:46] | gbee: | wagnerrp: yep, and it will _always_ be the case, for every new feature that is added three new ideas seem to spring up in it's place |
| [19:17:17] | wagnerrp: | there are probably a hundred features people want just related to bittorrent |
| [19:17:54] | gbee: | huge number of them are wacky ideas though, stuff that will never get implemented because only that one person would ever use it and for everyone else it would just get in the way |
| [19:19:48] | gbee: | we haven't always been strict enough in the past about people justifying features, the code of some plugins is a tangled, un-maintainable mess as a result |
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| [19:31:49] | dustybin: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdnImqDmLqk |
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| [19:40:44] | iamlindoro_: | well, I can't say xbmc is any easier to set up that Myth, so there's a win |
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| [19:47:52] | JoshBorke: | ok, so i'm feeling a little dumb and clueless. but is there any way to shift the video when the audio and video get out of sync? |
| [19:48:31] | wagnerrp: | what are you doing that that happens? |
| [19:48:42] | JoshBorke: | just watching live tv |
| [19:48:55] | wagnerrp: | framegrabber or encoder/digital? |
| [19:49:06] | JoshBorke: | specifically i was watching digital tv on a hauppage 1800 |
| [19:49:25] | wagnerrp: | HD? on what processor? |
| [19:49:34] | JoshBorke: | Q6600 |
| [19:50:25] | wagnerrp: | mpeg2 has pretty good interleaving, so any issues are usually either lack of power, bugged decoder, or a major SNAFU at your cableco |
| [19:51:08] | wagnerrp: | there *should* never be a reason to manually adjust offset, so i dont believe it was ever added |
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| [19:52:59] | andreax1: | Isnt there a audiosync option inside the menu while watching livetv ? |
| [19:53:38] | wagnerrp: | huh... indeed there is |
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| [20:01:27] | gbee: | think it was only added for the case where the original source is out of sync |
| [20:02:11] | gbee: | but equally it might be one of those features which wasn't adequately justified |
| [20:03:41] | JoshBorke: | ok thanks, i'll check it out tonight |
| [20:03:46] | JoshBorke: | i appreciate the help |
| [20:14:09] | gbee: | heh, now even Five's own adverts are mocking CSI |
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| [20:17:47] | kormoc: | gbee, ooh? |
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| [20:20:12] | gbee: | it's subtle stuff, but this ones a whole sequence of clips from the NY one of a character announcing that he's a Marine complete with a caption saying something like "If you've got an interesting back story, make sure you tell everyone as often as possible" |
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| [20:22:15] | kormoc: | nice |
| [20:24:43] | gbee: | guess it depends on your view of the show to start with, to a fan it's probably just a in-joke, to someone like me who finds the series to be ridiculous it just highlights the pretty poor writing and character development :) |
| [20:25:25] | gbee: | "I'm a marine", "I'm a marine, punk", "Mac Taylor was a marine!" |
| [20:25:57] | kormoc: | Heh, I'm a fan of CSI, but not the new ones, just the first |
| [20:26:25] | gbee: | somehow one clip even manages to tie up his proficiency with a bow to his being a Marine ... because all Marines are trained to use a bow and arrow of course |
| [20:27:01] | wagnerrp: | horatio just seems like a feeble attempt to mimic don johnson |
| [20:27:46] | gbee: | actually to me he was just playing a slightly cheesy version of his character in NYPD Blue |
| [20:28:40] | gbee: | which now I think about it, they've done an ad for Miami just made up of clips where he removes his subglasses |
| [20:29:20] | gbee: | sunglasses |
| [20:34:52] | wagnerrp: | i just cant see the pasty white irishman as being too at place in miami |
| [20:37:56] | mchou: | CSI miami sucks |
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| [20:40:24] | tank-man: | that horatio guy got shot/killed |
| [20:41:30] | gbee: | has he risen from the dead yet? |
| [20:42:03] | dustybin: | do you guys have dedicated firewall/router boxes in your setup at home? |
| [20:42:13] | clever: | i have one here |
| [20:42:21] | clever: | 200mhz i think |
| [20:42:23] | dustybin: | LFS |
| [20:42:24] | gbee: | dustybin: yeah |
| [20:42:25] | clever: | yep |
| [20:43:19] | dustybin: | i keep on needing to restart my ISPs giveaway ADSL modem/router |
| [20:43:24] | dustybin: | time to remove |
| [20:43:40] | clever: | i discovered a telnet on my dsl modem |
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| [20:43:46] | dustybin: | im thinking about buying a IBM thin cient and converting it |
| [20:44:04] | dustybin: | clever: my netgear runs linux, but the firmware is shoddy |
| [20:44:05] | gbee: | dustybin: oh, you mean build your own? Used to, but then figured for the power and space it used that getting a proper hardware one for £25 was a good investment |
| [20:44:31] | dustybin: | gbee: did you get a linksys? |
| [20:44:54] | gbee: | my modem is seperate, but I've a Netgear router and a seperate Netgear WAP |
| [20:44:55] | clever: | dustybin: odd, i cant ping the modem today |
| [20:45:09] | dustybin: | gbee: that isnt power saving!!!! |
| [20:45:21] | dustybin: | clever: thats because ive setup some rules inside it so you cant get me :P |
| [20:45:27] | gbee: | compared to the box it replaced, yes it is :) |
| [20:45:31] | clever: | :P |
| [20:45:34] | dustybin: | heh |
| [20:45:56] | AndyCap: | dustybin: is it in the list on toh.openwrt.org ? |
| [20:45:57] | wagnerrp: | rules set up so who cant get you? |
| [20:46:03] | gbee: | I've no choice on the seperate modem and being able to upgrade the access point seperately to the router has it's advantages |
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| [20:46:27] | dustybin: | AndyCap: that particular model isnt supported, 834GT |
| [20:46:27] | clever: | gbee: im abusing my wifi router as a wifi ap by disabling dhcp |
| [20:46:35] | clever: | gbee: its got its usefull points |
| [20:46:44] | clever: | i can remove it and take it to a hotel when i go on a trip |
| [20:46:50] | wagnerrp: | because i camt imagine a consumer NAT box is really much of a problem for someone who knows what theyre doing |
| [20:46:55] | dustybin: | gbee: how much power does your WAP eat? |
| [20:46:56] | clever: | which lets me create a private encrypted subnet in the hotel |
| [20:47:06] | gbee: | dustybin: disable SPI on the router, guessing that will fix your issue |
| [20:47:47] | gbee: | clever: that's what VPN is for |
| [20:48:06] | clever: | gbee: vpn wont fix a hotel without wireless |
| [20:48:09] | gbee: | dustybin: not a clue really |
| [20:48:18] | clever: | gbee: im also talking about hotels that have a ethernet port in the wall |
| [20:48:27] | clever: | one hotel even charges you per mac per day |
| [20:48:35] | wagnerrp: | clever: ddwrt specifically has a mechanism designed to use a router as an AP, its not abusing it |
| [20:48:35] | clever: | so 2 computers will cost double |
| [20:48:39] | dustybin: | these boxes consume 5watts, remember these can also be your WAP too |
| [20:48:40] | dustybin: | http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=11954 |
| [20:48:55] | clever: | wagnerrp: im doing it with the stock firmware of a dlink router |
| [20:49:01] | ** dustybin imagines that in red running pfsense with 2 big antennas on the back ** | |
| [20:49:20] | dustybin: | clever: what switches do you use |
| [20:49:27] | gbee: | you take two computers away with you? You stay in rooms large enough that a Cat 5 cable won't reach |
| [20:49:33] | clever: | dustybin: i have a 12 port cisco switch |
| [20:49:38] | clever: | gbee: 2 laptops, mine and dads |
| [20:49:40] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:49:48] | wagnerrp: | the 2c3 is discontinues, look for a 2d3 |
| [20:50:07] | clever: | gbee: the problem with stringing cat5 arround is that i need some way to split it to get 2 cat5's in a single port |
| [20:50:23] | dustybin: | because i run a public webserver at home, i need a router what is capable of doing multi-lan, not many home routers are capable of that |
| [20:50:27] | wagnerrp: | clever: what are you talking about? |
| [20:50:35] | clever: | wagnerrp: bringing my wifi ap to a hotel |
| [20:50:47] | wagnerrp: | put two cat5s in a single port? |
| [20:51:01] | clever: | to get 2 laptops running off a single port in the wall |
| [20:51:06] | clever: | id need a switch/hub to split it |
| [20:51:07] | dustybin: | clever: have you ever been guilty of sniffing other peoples packets? |
| [20:51:16] | wagnerrp: | so get a cheap $5 switch |
| [20:51:51] | clever: | i sniff all the time when driving down the road, but i can rarely catch 3 packets in a row |
| [20:52:02] | clever: | most of my sniffing is just to try and connect to the network so i can use it like a normal person |
| [20:52:18] | wagnerrp: | i would rather you were driving, than dicking around on your laptop |
| [20:52:22] | dustybin: | i can pick one of these up dirt cheap |
| [20:52:23] | dustybin: | http://kentie.net/article/netvista/index.htm |
| [20:52:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: dad is the one actualy driving the van:P |
| [20:52:54] | laga: | no driving license? ;) |
| [20:52:59] | dustybin: | they eat around 25 watts, that isnt too bad is it? |
| [20:53:00] | clever: | not yet |
| [20:53:22] | clever: | once, i threw the laptop into my bookbag and went for a bike trip arround town |
| [20:53:23] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: unless you need PCI slots, thats overkill |
| [20:53:26] | clever: | while it sniffed in silence |
| [20:53:31] | gbee: | dustybin: put simply, if you've got the time to spend on building and maintaining your own router then go for it |
| [20:53:46] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: i will need 1 PCI slot for extra NICs and the other for a wireless card |
| [20:53:58] | wagnerrp: | so get that alix board |
| [20:54:01] | wagnerrp: | it uses like... 2W |
| [20:54:11] | keith4: | odd. mythtv-setup crashes near the end of a channel scan on my QAM tuner... |
| [20:54:21] | keith4: | but it added all of the channels, as far as I can tell |
| [20:54:23] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: the alix board is about £200 with all the bits, that thin client can be bought for £10 |
| [20:54:51] | dustybin: | 25 watts v 5 watts |
| [20:54:58] | gbee: | at the end of the day I simply became too busy to care, I like the easy life now, my days spent fiddling with configs is over |
| [20:55:01] | wagnerrp: | no it cant, you still have to buy network card, wireless card, memory card, |
| [20:55:23] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: thats true, but those are all dirt cheap |
| [20:55:44] | wagnerrp: | and the minipci card you get for an alix box is going to be much higher quality than some cheap ass pci card |
| [20:55:56] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: what makes you think that? |
| [20:56:01] | dustybin: | surely the same technology is used |
| [20:56:29] | gbee: | individually maybe, but it adds up and then factoring in your own time to work on it ... like I said, if your evenings are empty then knock yourself out :) |
| [20:56:44] | wagnerrp: | one is designed for consumers, the other is designed for professional installations |
| [20:57:45] | dustybin: | ive already researched full size wireless PCI cards, one of the best/compatible model is the TP-Link 651 |
| [20:58:56] | wagnerrp: | so its an offbrand card with an atheros chip |
| [20:59:06] | dustybin: | yep |
| [20:59:43] | wagnerrp: | not much point to super-g... |
| [21:00:01] | dustybin: | yep i know, ill just use it in g |
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| [21:04:03] | oobe: | is there a quick and easy way to cancel all my job queue's for some reason all of my recordings are being commflagged one by one |
| [21:04:29] | oobe: | Thu 31/7 9:58 PM – Peep Show – Flag Commercials |
| [21:04:29] | oobe: | Peep Show (10:00 PM-10:25 PM) |
| [21:04:29] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:04:29] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:04:29] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:41 AM |
| [21:04:30] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:04:32] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:04:34] | oobe: | Finished, 0 break(s) found. |
| [21:04:35] | wagnerrp: | stop |
| [21:04:36] | oobe: | Sat 2/8 5:34 PM – Google – Flag Commercials |
| [21:04:38] | oobe: | Google (5:35 PM-6:30 PM) |
| [21:04:38] | wagnerrp: | dont do that |
| [21:04:41] | directhex: | sigh |
| [21:04:42] | oobe: | Behind the Screen |
| [21:04:44] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:04:46] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:04:48] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:45 AM |
| [21:04:50] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:04:52] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:04:54] | oobe: | Finished, 1 break(s) found. |
| [21:04:54] | iamlindoro_: | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| [21:04:56] | oobe: | Thu 7/8 9:58 PM – Peep Show – Flag Commercials |
| [21:04:58] | oobe: | Peep Show (10:00 PM-10:25 PM) |
| [21:05:00] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:02] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:05:04] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:48 AM |
| [21:05:06] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:05:08] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:05:09] | iamlindoro_: | cat randomshit > /dev/mythtv-users |
| [21:05:12] | oobe: | Finished, 1 break(s) found. |
| [21:05:14] | oobe: | Thu 7/8 10:21 PM – Ideal – Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:16] | oobe: | Ideal (10:25 PM-10:55 PM) |
| [21:05:18] | oobe: | The Affair |
| [21:05:20] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:20] | wagnerrp: | we really need some sort of kickbot for that |
| [21:05:20] | directhex: | yay for xchat's auto-flood-kick avoider |
| [21:05:22] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:05:24] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:50 AM |
| [21:05:26] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:05:28] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:05:30] | oobe: | Finished, 0 break(s) found. |
| [21:05:32] | oobe: | Thu 14/8 9:58 PM – Peep Show – Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:34] | oobe: | Peep Show (10:00 PM-10:25 PM) |
| [21:05:36] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:38] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:05:42] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:53 AM |
| [21:05:44] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:05:46] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:05:48] | oobe: | Finished, 1 break(s) found. |
| [21:05:50] | oobe: | Thu 14/8 10:21 PM – Ideal – Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:52] | oobe: | Ideal (10:25 PM-10:55 PM) |
| [21:05:54] | oobe: | The Backpacker |
| [21:05:56] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:05:58] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:06:00] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:56 AM |
| [21:06:00] | laga: | um |
| [21:06:02] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:06:02] | laga: | :( |
| [21:06:04] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:06:06] | oobe: | Finished, 0 break(s) found. |
| [21:06:08] | oobe: | Wed 20/8 1:00 AM – Outrageous Fortune – Flag Commercials |
| [21:06:11] | iamlindoro_: | So, yay |
| [21:06:12] | oobe: | Outrageous Fortune (1:00 AM-2:00 AM) |
| [21:06:14] | oobe: | The Rub |
| [21:06:16] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:06:18] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:06:20] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 3:57 AM |
| [21:06:22] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:06:24] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:06:26] | oobe: | Finished, 0 break(s) found. |
| [21:06:27] | iamlindoro_: | This is where the same person would quit their chat client |
| [21:06:28] | oobe: | Wed 20/8 1:17 AM – Outrageous Fortune – Flag Commercials |
| [21:06:30] | oobe: | Outrageous Fortune (1:00 AM-2:00 AM) |
| [21:06:31] | iamlindoro_: | er sane |
| [21:06:32] | oobe: | The Rub |
| [21:06:34] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:06:35] | directhex: | so, seen any good movies lately? |
| [21:06:36] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:06:38] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 4:01 AM |
| [21:06:42] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:06:44] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:06:45] | directhex: | he's probably gone AFK to snort some coke |
| [21:06:46] | oobe: | Finished, 0 break(s) found. |
| [21:06:48] | oobe: | Thu 21/8 9:58 PM – Peep Show – Flag Commercials |
| [21:06:50] | oobe: | Peep Show (10:00 PM-10:30 PM) |
| [21:06:52] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:06:54] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:06:56] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 4:04 AM |
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| [21:06:58] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:06:59] | iamlindoro_: | He's already done that, he's *typing* all this |
| [21:07:00] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:07:02] | oobe: | Finished, 1 break(s) found. |
| [21:07:04] | oobe: | Thu 21/8 10:26 PM – Ideal – Flag Commercials |
| [21:07:06] | oobe: | Ideal (10:30 PM-11:00 PM) |
| [21:07:07] | wagnerrp: | gbee: welcome to the fun |
| [21:07:08] | oobe: | The Party |
| [21:07:12] | oobe: | Job: Flag Commercials |
| [21:07:14] | oobe: | Status: Finished |
| [21:07:16] | oobe: | Status Time: Sat Sep 20 4:07 AM |
| [21:07:18] | oobe: | Host: box |
| [21:07:20] | oobe: | Comments: |
| [21:07:22] | oobe: | Finished, 1 break(s) |
| [21:07:24] | oobe: | shit sorry |
| [21:07:25] | abqjp: | gbee, can you kick this guy? |
| [21:07:26] | oobe: | i didnt relise it was that long |
| [21:07:28] | oobe: | im sorry |
| [21:07:30] | oobe: | i really need to know how to kill or cancel all my job queues |
| [21:07:32] | oobe: | a look;s like it stopped |
| [21:07:34] | iamlindoro_: | uhhhhhhhhhh |
| [21:07:34] | oobe: | sorry again |
| [21:07:38] | oobe: | i wonder why that happened in the first place |
| [21:07:39] | iamlindoro_: | Three lines would be too long |
| [21:07:42] | gbee: | abqjp: don't have privs in here – just #mythtv |
| [21:09:19] | oobe: | i wonder why someone would would ask someone else to kick someone when its obvious that they cant and its obvious the person does not deserve to be kicked for an obvious mistake |
| [21:09:49] | oobe: | thats like 3 obvious things to over look in go |
| [21:09:57] | iamlindoro_: | I wonder why someone would paste 3000 lines and ask how to cancel them, when all the jobs clearly show as "Finished?" |
| [21:10:13] | oobe: | yeah but there was still more going |
| [21:10:45] | oobe: | that was only a small sample and looked like a lot less lines when i copied it |
| [21:10:47] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, it's not obvious that gbee can't, he's a myth dev so it's reasonable to assume he could |
| [21:10:59] | gbee: | kormoc: just seen another new CSI adverts – a whole bunch of clips again from all three series, this time of suspects saying "I didn't do it" with the caption "If they won't confess, just try looking at them a little differently" followed by clips showing the CSI 'cops' extracting confessions just through looks |
| [21:11:13] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:11:15] | iamlindoro_: | and your mistake aside, there's no reason that it would have to be permanent, but also no reason we should have to hope that the pain ended soon |
| [21:11:21] | oobe: | thats right ops are often hidden on the net |
| [21:11:27] | iamlindoro_: | could have gone on all day |
| [21:11:27] | ** gbee should put these online somewhere ** | |
| [21:12:38] | kormoc: | youtube! |
| [21:12:59] | gbee: | I was offered ops in here, didn't see the need at the time – but you'll actually find that those people who have ops don't choose to auto-op themselves in either channel |
| [21:14:48] | kormoc: | oobe, abqjp, the folks with +v are the ops in #mythtv-users |
| [21:14:57] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [21:15:30] | oobe: | oh so there not hidden then just dont auto op |
| [21:15:39] | kormoc: | correct |
| [21:15:44] | oobe: | then op themselves to kick or ban |
| [21:15:50] | kormoc: | as per freenode's request |
| [21:15:56] | oobe: | oh ok |
| [21:16:21] | oobe: | i like it like that so people feel equal |
| [21:16:22] | laga: | what's the deal with "hidden ops" anyways? i mean, would you behave differently if it was obvious? |
| [21:16:33] | oobe: | no |
| [21:16:46] | kormoc: | laga, Freenode thinks so, hence why they request people don't sit as ops in their channels |
| [21:16:55] | oobe: | i dont deliberatly do anything that would result in a kick or ban |
| [21:17:06] | iamlindoro_: | Wheee, finally got my Recordings back down to 0 |
| [21:17:53] | kormoc: | oobe, given the channel FAQ says 3 lines max for pastes, that was well beyond the 'limit' |
| [21:17:54] | oobe: | i think the advantage is that ops are not percieved to run the channel being pestered with pms etc. |
| [21:18:29] | oobe: | it was an accident |
| [21:19:01] | oobe: | a lot of the text i copied contain 3 or 4 extra lines i didnt see untill i pasted |
| [21:19:04] | kormoc: | sure, and if I was in here, I'd have kicked you so the buffer would have went into the void and you could have rejoined without flooding us |
| [21:19:11] | oobe: | but i did copy more lines than 3 |
| [21:20:29] | oobe: | its possible to make you bot auto kick after 3 lines in so many seconds |
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| [21:20:40] | oobe: | im sure you know that |
| [21:21:20] | gbee: | http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml |
| [21:22:05] | gbee: | the sections on "Don't keep channel operator privileges." and "Use channel operator privileges sparingly." are what kormoc was refering to |
| [21:22:58] | dustybin: | heres a nice shot of the machine im using for a frontend |
| [21:23:00] | dustybin: | ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/information_storage/soft . . . _locator.swf |
| [21:23:03] | dustybin: | (SD frontend!!) |
| [21:23:31] | gbee: | the section "Don't be elitist." could stand to be read by some |
| [21:23:56] | ** kormoc hangs his head in shame. ** | |
| [21:24:06] | kormoc: | I'm such a elitist |
| [21:24:09] | gbee: | "Don't be caught by support burnout" definately applies to most of us |
| [21:24:23] | oobe: | dustybin, nice |
| [21:24:35] | dustybin: | oobe: its a small cute box |
| [21:24:52] | oobe: | yeah similar to what im looking for size wise |
| [21:25:19] | dustybin: | oobe: it requires a special low width nvidia gfx card, im still waiting for mine to come |
| [21:25:20] | gbee: | kormoc: I want you to think about what you've done young man, and then I want you to apologise to everyone |
| [21:25:26] | dustybin: | they are HARD to get hold of |
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| [21:26:07] | kormoc: | gbee, You're not my real father! WHANNNNANANANANANA! You can't tell me what to do! |
| [21:26:13] | ** kormoc runs away ** | |
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| [21:26:23] | ** dustybin attempts to replace fan inside frontend with silent one ** | |
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| [21:26:42] | dustybin: | shutdown -h now |
| [21:26:47] | MinDKrime: | anyone have a turtle beach riviera card running in centos? |
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| [21:28:45] | MinDKrime: | why does my soundcard not show up... ugggg |
| [21:30:38] | oobe: | dustybin, this is what im gonna try to snipe for 95$ or less http://cgi.ebay.com.au/DELL-OPTIPLEX-GX270-P4 . . . mdZViewItem# |
| [21:31:09] | oobe: | i dont think its worth much more really |
| [21:32:04] | oobe: | the description on all his desktops say it has 2 cpus cause windows says so but i know its not true its probably just cause its got HT |
| [21:33:34] | oobe: | remember when i was asking about xbox's thats what i was thinking about doing at first cause there small and cheap but it looks like to many headaches to mod etc. |
| [21:36:04] | gbee: | kormoc: if you are really interested, www.miffteevee.co.uk/filebin/CSI_adverts.mpg |
| [21:36:38] | gbee: | I've not transcoded it down from mpeg2, so it weighs in at 20Mb – just a warning |
| [21:36:55] | clever: | 20mb is nothing |
| [21:37:03] | clever: | i found a 800mb file of 19mins a few days ago |
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| [21:37:47] | gbee: | depends on your connection, you might not appreciate downloading a 20Mb file on a mobile data plan because it will cost you an arm |
| [21:37:52] | kormoc: | gbee, I'll grab it when I'm not at work :) |
| [21:38:07] | clever: | i have an unlimited dsl plan, |
| [21:38:24] | wagnerrp: | clever: that long? i downloaded a 700MB file in like 4 minutes maybe 7 years ago |
| [21:38:27] | clever: | and my frontend is stuck at a black frame |
| [21:38:38] | clever: | wagnerrp: i mean the contents of the file was 19mins long |
| [21:38:52] | ** gbee digs out the aspirin ** | |
| [21:39:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: thats roughtly 42mb/minute |
| [21:39:39] | wagnerrp: | oh, then look at any apple HD trailer |
| [21:39:44] | wagnerrp: | im sure they exceed that |
| [21:39:58] | clever: | this i beleive was an hd rip of a dvd |
| [21:40:28] | clever: | i got the lq version instead so i dont know the actaul bitrate/codec/resolution |
| [21:40:51] | wagnerrp: | thats fairly low bitrate for HDDVD |
| [21:41:03] | wagnerrp: | unless it was ripped, and transcoded |
| [21:41:03] | clever: | could have been plain dvd mpeg2 |
| [21:42:07] | gbee: | broadcast BBC HD is currently around 16mbit/s |
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| [21:43:13] | gbee: | or 120 Mb per minute |
| [21:43:22] | clever: | gbee: nice quality in that csi file |
| [21:44:03] | gbee: | clever: joking right? that's one of the lowest quality broadcast channels on freeview, low bitrate, low res |
| [21:44:07] | clever: | lol |
| [21:44:18] | clever: | its still better then my sdtv with a pvr150 :P |
| [21:45:06] | clever: | compared to my crap, it looks great |
| [21:45:31] | gbee: | http://dtt.me.uk/demux – Five US |
| [21:46:16] | gbee: | 544*576 Avg. Bitrate of 1.94Mbit/s – compared to BBC one, 720*576 4.50 Mbit/s |
| [21:46:51] | gbee: | 128 kbit/s joint stereo .... eww |
| [21:48:36] | iamlindoro: | Har har, xbmc already contains adult film DB stuff |
| [21:48:38] | clever: | i boosted my pvr150 bitrate by 200% when i got a new disk |
| [21:48:51] | clever: | but 2gig/hour was too much strain on my systems |
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| [21:54:26] | kormoc: | Hrm, someone just registered buymythtv.com |
| [21:55:10] | clever: | get out your lawyers! |
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| [21:55:57] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [22:01:44] | iamlindoro: | Probably the guy who wrote to the dev list a week or so ago saying how Myth and his company could help bring everyone a DVR at low cost, OH and targeted advertising and one click buying too |
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| [22:03:17] | mchou: | iamlindoro: linky? |
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| [22:03:42] | mchou: | iamlindoro: that ought to be amusing |
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| [22:04:29] | mchou: | iamlindoro: "targetted advertising" |
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| [22:05:12] | mchou: | iamlindoro: I thought the whole point to myth was to get away from advertising |
| [22:05:51] | sid3windr: | I thought it was pvr functionality |
| [22:05:54] | sid3windr: | but who am I |
| [22:07:35] | mchou: | iamlindoro: you referring to this guy? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/348486 |
| [22:08:21] | mchou: | Doctors got way too much time on their hands. |
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| [22:08:45] | oobe: | dustybin, do you remember that link i gave you i was just gonna put any agp card in there but after some close inspection it needs a low profile card do you have any suggestions |
| [22:09:19] | mchou: | Their jobs must really be boring if they have to bother us lowlifes for business opportunities |
| [22:12:01] | dustybin: | oobe: low profile cards are easy to find, its the low width ones that are rare |
| [22:12:37] | dustybin: | oobe: i quite like XFX cards |
| [22:13:03] | dustybin: | oobe: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . 170260551452 |
| [22:13:14] | dustybin: | i use one of them |
| [22:14:15] | oobe: | im not really sure in needs to be low width it just need to work with a 210 psu |
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| [22:14:29] | dustybin: | that should be no problem |
| [22:14:45] | oobe: | is that what low profile means |
| [22:14:57] | oobe: | i never even heard or thought about it till you mentioned it |
| [22:15:14] | RyeBrye: | That guy who wanted to use mythtv as some kind of analog set top converter alternative is nuts |
| [22:15:15] | dustybin: | low profile is the height |
| [22:15:16] | wagnerrp: | you know what a back panel bracket looks like? |
| [22:15:24] | wagnerrp: | the 7 slots in the back of the computer |
| [22:15:31] | dustybin: | low width is the width |
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| [22:15:47] | wagnerrp: | full profile is the same size as that, low profile is half that |
| [22:15:51] | RyeBrye: | you can get a rebate for a digital converter – but you can't for anything that does anything more than be a digital converter |
| [22:16:00] | wagnerrp: | usually for destop form factor |
| [22:16:50] | mchou: | RyeBrye: yeah, I was wondering about that. Like whether the rebate can be applied towards a tuner card or something |
| [22:17:16] | wagnerrp: | nope, only towards authorized devices at authorized retailers |
| [22:17:20] | oobe: | dustybin, here are the specs one low-profile AGP card (card size = 6.35 cm [2.5 inches] high by 16.76 cm [6.6 inches] long) |
| [22:17:21] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I could google and find it – but basically there is specific language in the rebate law that says "Nope, only a converter. If the covnerter has any extra features, it doesn't qualify" |
| [22:17:29] | wagnerrp: | and the only authorized devices are SD |
| [22:17:40] | oobe: | looks like i need a small on |
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| [22:18:07] | dustybin: | check both dimensions when you buy the card |
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| [22:18:39] | mchou: | RyeBrye: that guy you're referring to is a medical doctor, what else did you expect |
| [22:19:13] | mchou: | RyeBrye: I sure hope he doesn't practice on anyone that's alive |
| [22:19:16] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [22:20:04] | mchou: | I mean Dr. House is great, he watches soaps and plays video games :) |
| [22:20:19] | mchou: | RyeBrye: but he only plays one on TV |
| [22:20:49] | RyeBrye: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap Is this roadmap roughly accurate? |
| [22:21:20] | gbee: | depends what you hope to get from it, but no, not really |
| [22:21:52] | mchou: | RyeBrye: http://openivo.blogspot.com/ |
| [22:22:11] | mchou: | RyeBrye: dude! He PATENTED the idea |
| [22:22:19] | mchou: | lordy |
| [22:22:21] | mchou: | lol |
| [22:22:29] | RyeBrye: | I thought TiVo would already own the patent for invasive ads on a PVR |
| [22:22:44] | mchou: | that's gonna get us all OSS people all riled up |
| [22:22:45] | gbee: | for a start many of those tickets could probably be closed instantly if we had time to triage, others might actually be genuine things but could take between 5 minutes and 5 weeks to resolve |
| [22:22:57] | RyeBrye: | and... if it's "open" couldn't that just mean you could recompile it without the ads on it? |
| [22:23:00] | mchou: | " |
| [22:23:00] | mchou: | Marc Feldman |
| [22:23:00] | mchou: | Beachwood, Ohio, United States |
| [22:23:00] | mchou: | I had an idea to build a managed network of internet-connected set-top personal computers with tv tuners running dvr software heavily or completely subsidized with directed advertising and e-commerce tie-ins. The system is now patent pending. I also have a day job. |
| [22:23:04] | mchou: | " |
| [22:23:10] | gbee: | and there aren't necessarily tickets open for all the things we hope to get into 0.22 |
| [22:23:24] | mchou: | "The system is now patent pending" |
| [22:23:30] | mchou: | wtf??? |
| [22:23:32] | RyeBrye: | gbee – thanks. I was mostly wondering if 0.22 trunk was useable right now or not |
| [22:23:53] | ** RyeBrye didn't want to ask if trunk was useable right now though, for fear of the beat-down that usually follows that question ** | |
| [22:23:55] | gbee: | one of those tickets is No. 12 – which has been open for years and which is targeted for 0.22, but it still needs months of work |
| [22:24:04] | gbee: | RyeBrye: it's usable |
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| [22:24:27] | ** RyeBrye might svn up and install trunk this weekend. ** | |
| [22:24:30] | ** RyeBrye has nothing better to do ** | |
| [22:25:00] | RyeBrye: | #12 – Ahh... the UI to MythUI |
| [22:25:25] | RyeBrye: | I finished that 3 months ago... I can't believe I forgot to submit the patch! ;) |
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| [22:26:24] | gbee: | RyeBrye: wouldn't get your hopes up for any especially cool stuff in trunk, not just yet anyway – since 0.21 work has mostly been focused on the pretty long and boring job of switching to QT4 which brings with it no obvious end-user benefits |
| [22:26:54] | RyeBrye: | Isn't the updated HD-PVR stuff in 0.22 though? I'm just planning ahead for a system I'm building in the next week or two |
| [22:27:18] | gbee: | RyeBrye: aye and there will be an ffmpeg sync in the next week or two |
| [22:27:46] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I like the bleeding edge because of the frequencies of those syncs and such |
| [22:29:06] | RyeBrye: | And... one final "status" question – the last update on the wiki for the multirec stuff was in May – but it says "The HDHomeRun external tuner is capable of supporting multirec, but the current version of the MythTV patch does not yet support it with that hardware." – I assume that is still the case, right? (no multirec right now with HDHomeRun) |
| [22:29:52] | gbee: | I believe that's still the case, no work has been done to add multirec support for the HDHomeRun since 0.21 |
| [22:30:06] | RyeBrye: | Who do I need to buy an HDHomeRun for ;) |
| [22:30:24] | gbee: | heh |
| [22:31:07] | gbee: | DanielK has one and I think he intends to work on multirec support at some point, but there were higher priorities for him |
| [22:31:27] | RyeBrye: | Gotcha. No complaints, just wondering |
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| [22:32:31] | gbee: | HDHomeRun is basically an external ATSC tuner correct? |
| [22:32:37] | RyeBrye: | It does QAM also |
| [22:32:55] | RyeBrye: | but yeah, it's an external network-attached tuner with an IR receiver in it for good measure |
| [22:34:38] | RyeBrye: | The IR receiver is kind of interesting – because the device's main feature is you can put it anywhere you have a good signal and a network attachment |
| [22:34:56] | RyeBrye: | I guess if you happen to have a good signal near your HTPC, you can make use of the IR receiver in the box |
| [22:35:36] | RyeBrye: | I don't think the multirec would apply to ATSC – just to the QAM256 part of the tuners |
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| [22:43:06] | mchou: | RyeBrye: I dont get it. Why would you need ir rx on HDHR if you're using myth? |
| [22:44:19] | RyeBrye: | you would use it as a LIRC reciever |
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| [22:53:10] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, There are still subchannels on ATSC... they just all suck |
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| [22:55:14] | my2keh: | anyone know of a good signal monitor other then femon? |
| [22:56:20] | iamlindoro: | I think you need to ask in more channels, just to be sure everyone hears you |
| [22:56:43] | my2keh: | i asked in all the ones i knew of :) |
| [22:57:00] | my2keh: | not everyone hangs out in here you know... |
| [22:57:10] | iamlindoro: | precisely |
| [22:57:20] | iamlindoro: | I was being facetious, as I'm in some of those channels |
| [22:57:32] | my2keh: | i know...i see that |
| [22:57:49] | iamlindoro: | Yay crossposting, guess it must not be considered rude any more |
| [22:58:06] | my2keh: | nope i guess not! |
| [22:58:17] | iamlindoro: | Oh wait, yeah it is |
| [22:58:23] | my2keh: | p.s...don't join #dvb then |
| [22:58:43] | iamlindoro: | PS, use etiquette |
| [22:58:54] | my2keh: | but what's the point of not cross posting? |
| [22:59:02] | my2keh: | I can understand in a forum site |
| [22:59:11] | my2keh: | but not everyone is in either channel |
| [22:59:57] | iamlindoro: | Besides being irritating as all get out and selfish? |
| [23:00:06] | my2keh: | why would that be selfish? |
| [23:00:16] | my2keh: | I'm looking for an answer |
| [23:00:24] | my2keh: | so you suggest I ask it in here |
| [23:00:27] | my2keh: | then wait forever |
| [23:00:29] | my2keh: | and then after that |
| [23:00:33] | my2keh: | ask it in there? |
| [23:00:38] | my2keh: | sound pretty stupid |
| [23:00:40] | iamlindoro: | never mind, It's clear you're one of those types that doesn't give a shit either way, no use trying to reform you |
| [23:01:22] | my2keh: | I give a shit, about an efficient way in finding an answer |
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| [23:02:36] | dustybin: | i found a little bastard 40mm fan causing the noise |
| [23:03:01] | dustybin: | because there is no hard drive in this box, im going to just disconnect it |
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| [23:27:48] | orkid: | i'm having an issue with mythtv 0.21-fixes. when i go watch livetv it makes an mpg file that is 0bytes in size.. but then when it locks the signal and starts playing it it make a new file.. with a different filenameme, and starts playing |
| [23:27:59] | orkid: | this seems to cause issues with mvpmc for me, but works with mythfrontend |
| [23:28:10] | orkid: | is this normal behaviour? to create two files? |
| [23:28:34] | orkid: | i'm left with a bunch of 0byte files now in the recordings directory |
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| [23:33:03] | orkid: | anyone? |
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| [23:52:03] | Gimpy: | orkid: is this a fresh install? |
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