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| [00:52:58] | iamlindoro: | janneg, it's obviously very low priority, but there are some issues with MLP audio w/ your ffmpeg sync, as well-- You can reliably cause a frontend crash while using MLP audio when a particular channel starts playing (I believe it's the center as it coincides with the start of voice in any given MLP audio movie) |
| [00:53:06] | iamlindoro: | I can provide samples when/if you are interested |
| [00:54:15] | iamlindoro: | mplayer w/ the same libavcodec checkout plays properly without crashing, so I think it may be myth specific. Will also get a BT at some point for you |
| [00:56:52] | iamlindoro: | Actually... now that I look at it, it appears that it's related to subtitles beginning |
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| [01:50:19] | ShdwShinobi: | Mythtv will scan the channels properly, but when I go to the frontend, it won't display the channels. How can I fix this? |
| [01:51:09] | psm321: | what do you see in the frontend? |
| [01:52:14] | ShdwShinobi: | A black screen with the OSD |
| [01:52:40] | psm321: | oh i misinterpretted what you said i think |
| [01:53:04] | psm321: | it'll flip through channels, etc, but the actual channel just shows black? |
| [01:53:22] | ShdwShinobi: | right |
| [01:54:30] | ShdwShinobi: | Woah... that was awkward |
| [01:54:38] | psm321: | ? |
| [01:54:39] | ShdwShinobi: | The image flashed for a second when I pulled out the composite connectors |
| [01:55:04] | psm321: | hmm |
| [01:55:17] | psm321: | maybe the source is connected to the wrong input or something? |
| [01:55:54] | ShdwShinobi: | i only have it configured for analog tv |
| [01:55:56] | ShdwShinobi: | there it goes |
| [01:55:58] | ShdwShinobi: | that's weird... |
| [01:56:10] | ShdwShinobi: | I restarted the device without the composite connectors put in and it worked |
| [01:56:18] | psm321: | myth does channel scans for analog? |
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| [01:56:28] | ShdwShinobi: | I see video now |
| [01:56:32] | psm321: | cool |
| [01:56:55] | ShdwShinobi: | now if it'll change the channel lol |
| [02:04:15] | psm321: | ? |
| [02:04:55] | ShdwShinobi: | :( it's back to the same thing of not displaying a channel |
| [02:05:34] | ShdwShinobi: | the channel flashed |
| [02:05:37] | ShdwShinobi: | then it didn't display |
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| [02:18:47] | wagnerrp: | two weeks in a row terminator was recorded with the description of 'king of queens' |
| [02:28:22] | mchou: | wagnerrp: terminator must have moved into the neighborhood |
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| [02:38:33] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, you around? |
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| [02:59:27] | ShdwShinobi: | How can I switch between digital and analog? |
| [03:01:14] | cesman: | 'y' |
| [03:01:23] | ShdwShinobi: | it doesn't do anything |
| [03:01:25] | cesman: | is it 'y' I'm thinking of or is it 'c' |
| [03:01:34] | ShdwShinobi: | c makes it say 'Digital TV' |
| [03:01:38] | ShdwShinobi: | but it doesn't do anything else |
| [03:01:41] | cesman: | either way, check keys.txt |
| [03:02:21] | ShdwShinobi: | where's that at? |
| [03:03:16] | cesman: | mythtv source or possilbe /usr/share/doc depending on your distro (if packaged) |
| [03:03:29] | cesman: | http://ip.of.backend on KnoppMyth |
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| [03:07:14] | ShdwShinobi: | ok |
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| [03:50:07] | ** iamlindoro HATES RAID reshapes ** | |
| [03:51:06] | iamlindoro: | And they only get more painful as you get really really big |
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| [03:52:11] | DarkDrgn2k: | is mythbox capable of playing 1080p high bandwith content |
| [03:52:16] | iamlindoro: | DarkDrgn2k, The question is is YOUR Myth box capable of it |
| [03:52:33] | iamlindoro: | if you throw enough processor and RAM at it, Myth will happily play high bitrate content at any resolution you like |
| [03:52:35] | DarkDrgn2k: | my boddy wants to buy "POPCORN" to play his 1080p stuff.. |
| [03:52:43] | DarkDrgn2k: | boddy=budy |
| [03:53:02] | DarkDrgn2k: | his argument is myth box, cant be small, quite and play 1080p |
| [03:53:20] | DarkDrgn2k: | quetion is.. is he right |
| [03:53:21] | iamlindoro: | depends entirely on the codec, bitrate, and encoding options used |
| [03:53:32] | iamlindoro: | as well as what system one proposes to play the material on |
| [03:54:03] | iamlindoro: | Playing Blu-ray bitrate 1080p content is perfectly doable given adequate system specs |
| [03:54:13] | DarkDrgn2k: | what would adaquit specs be? |
| [03:54:45] | iamlindoro: | Mid to high range Core 2 Duo systems, potentially the skiploop filter patch applied and active, and Max CPUs set to 2 or greater in the playback profiles |
| [03:55:17] | iamlindoro: | a gir or two of ram, and nvidia card with closed source drivers to top it off, and it'll play fine |
| [03:55:19] | iamlindoro: | er gig |
| [03:56:23] | wagnerrp: | get a big enough heatsink, and the right case, you can even do it silently |
| [03:57:35] | wagnerrp: | sufficiently silent that you dont hear it over the TV anyway |
| [03:57:47] | DarkDrgn2k: | so the answer is no.. |
| [03:58:00] | iamlindoro: | How in the world does one read that as a "no?" |
| [03:58:10] | iamlindoro: | When the answer is quite explicitly *yes*? |
| [03:58:24] | DarkDrgn2k: | lol |
| [03:58:27] | wagnerrp: | by 'popcorn', you mean Popcorn Hour? |
| [03:58:31] | DarkDrgn2k: | yeh |
| [03:58:46] | fryfrog: | does that thing do 1080p 264 stuff? |
| [03:58:46] | wagnerrp: | does that even support 1080 output? |
| [03:58:46] | iamlindoro: | Now, if you say "and do it all for $199," then no, probably not. But doable period? Yep. Yes. Si. Hai. Da. |
| [03:58:51] | DarkDrgn2k: | yes |
| [03:59:04] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [03:59:10] | iamlindoro: | yes, it does 1080p and has hardware decoding-- it's actually a great little box |
| [03:59:26] | iamlindoro: | but it's still just a uPnP box when all is said and done |
| [03:59:34] | fryfrog: | if you don't need to *record* and only play back videos, it'd be quite spiffy i imagine. |
| [03:59:58] | wagnerrp: | is VC-1 as intensive as 264? |
| [04:00:05] | iamlindoro: | Yeah |
| [04:00:15] | iamlindoro: | Moreso if you're using Open source decoders :) |
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| [04:00:20] | wagnerrp: | because they claim its capable of 40mbps VC-1 |
| [04:00:26] | fryfrog: | is VC-1 the old one from hd-dvd? |
| [04:00:36] | DarkDrgn2k: | iamlindoro: i though it had an internal hd? |
| [04:00:37] | fryfrog: | or are 264 and vc-1 both on blu-ray? |
| [04:00:38] | iamlindoro: | yeah, it's more or less the Microsoft version of h.264 |
| [04:00:41] | larzen: | Folks.. is it possible to disable mythtv backend from storing mpg for each channel that you view? |
| [04:00:42] | wagnerrp: | VC-1 is standardized WMV |
| [04:00:43] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [04:00:50] | iamlindoro: | DarkDrgn2k, yes, it does |
| [04:01:00] | DarkDrgn2k: | larzen: it gets erased when you run out of room anyway.. |
| [04:01:06] | wagnerrp: | both VC-1 and AVC are listed as official codecs for both HDDVD and BR |
| [04:01:08] | iamlindoro: | or after 24 hours |
| [04:01:10] | fryfrog: | larzen: you can set it to not show you, which is just as good |
| [04:01:26] | larzen: | but there is no way to stop the recording? |
| [04:01:29] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:01:34] | larzen: | fryfrog – how do i stop from showing? |
| [04:01:36] | iamlindoro: | Myth is a DVR, not a TV viewing app |
| [04:01:39] | fryfrog: | larzen: "live tv" is a recording, just played back immediatly |
| [04:01:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv plays something by recording it |
| [04:01:47] | wagnerrp: | there is no pass through mode |
| [04:01:48] | fryfrog: | larzen: in the "watch recordings" view, hit "M" for menu |
| [04:01:51] | iamlindoro: | enter watch recordings, press M, change your filter to "default" from "all" |
| [04:01:54] | fryfrog: | and i *think* it should be obvious |
| [04:02:08] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: that'd *hide* livetv? |
| [04:02:17] | larzen: | i actually dont have a mythfront end . I am using xbmcmythtv |
| [04:02:22] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, yes, for him to see both he has to be set to "all" or "livetv" |
| [04:02:30] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, switching to "default" will give just recordings |
| [04:02:33] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: ah |
| [04:02:45] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if xbmc is different, but livetv does not show up on UPNP boxes |
| [04:02:50] | fryfrog: | oh, duh you said "to default, from all" |
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| [04:02:59] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, yeah, poor phrasing on my part |
| [04:03:02] | wagnerrp: | only intentional recordings are enumerated by the server |
| [04:03:14] | larzen: | fryfrog – so this has to be done on the mythfrontend right? |
| [04:03:27] | fryfrog: | larzen: you *may* be able to change the time out from 24 hours to like, 1 |
| [04:03:43] | fryfrog: | larzen: that change would only change how the frontend shows you the recordings |
| [04:03:46] | larzen: | fryfrog – where is this setting, on the back-end or the front-end? |
| [04:03:47] | GreyFoxx: | nope. It's in increments of days with the lowest being 1 |
| [04:03:50] | wagnerrp: | xbmc does its own thing, changing stuff on the frontend likely wont affect it |
| [04:03:51] | fryfrog: | so it wouldn't even fix the issue you are having |
| [04:03:55] | fryfrog: | GreyFoxx: ah :/ |
| [04:04:16] | GreyFoxx: | They get auto epired anyway so it shouldn't be a problem |
| [04:04:19] | GreyFoxx: | expired |
| [04:04:24] | fryfrog: | I have an *entire* tube of Strawberry Mentos! |
| [04:04:38] | fryfrog: | I think he just doesn't like the clutter it must add to XBMC |
| [04:04:45] | larzen: | fry – correct ;) |
| [04:04:46] | wagnerrp: | you should make flat strawberry coke |
| [04:04:47] | fryfrog: | larzen: simple solution is stop watching livetv, you don't need it :) |
| [04:05:00] | larzen: | fry – agreed. |
| [04:05:14] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: flat strawberry *diet* coke ;) |
| [04:05:18] | GreyFoxx: | or modify xbmc to not show livetv in the recordings list |
| [04:05:25] | larzen: | fryfrog one more question.... is there any way i can run the stream through mencoder so that my recordings are not 1.6gb/show? |
| [04:05:39] | wagnerrp: | check out mythtranscode |
| [04:05:43] | fryfrog: | i don't know how xbmc script works :/ |
| [04:05:58] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: the problem is that'd ruin all the recordings, just so they were playable on the xbox |
| [04:06:12] | fryfrog: | larzen: i gave up on xbmc once i started viewing HD material (if that is your problem) :/ |
| [04:06:17] | fryfrog: | it just doesn't have the umpf |
| [04:06:24] | wagnerrp: | well you can make your own custom script and define it as a user job |
| [04:06:28] | DarkDrgn2k: | can mac minis support hd |
| [04:06:29] | wagnerrp: | run it in the place of mythtranscode |
| [04:06:44] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: but that'd just make a copy of it |
| [04:06:50] | fryfrog: | i think he wants a sort of on the fly thing |
| [04:07:00] | larzen: | I want the files to be smaller |
| [04:07:10] | fryfrog: | larzen: i imagine what you want to do is at least reasonably possible, but you'd... |
| [04:07:13] | fryfrog: | oh, thats all? |
| [04:07:18] | fryfrog: | setup auto-transcode then :) |
| [04:07:28] | fryfrog: | after recording, it'll just transmogrify them |
| [04:07:41] | larzen: | fryfrog – where is this option – on the backend? |
| [04:07:50] | wagnerrp: | can xbmc handle nuvs? |
| [04:08:05] | fryfrog: | you'd set it via the frontend, but it is something that lives in the db and the backend would handle |
| [04:08:15] | larzen: | fry – ah i see. |
| [04:08:24] | larzen: | sounds like i need to get mythbuntu and run a front-end to make these changes. |
| [04:08:28] | wagnerrp: | larzen: do you have a framegrabber, mpeg encoder, or digital tuner? |
| [04:08:39] | larzen: | wagnerrp – pvr-500 |
| [04:08:48] | fryfrog: | larzen: if you have a backend, just run the frontend from there (temporarily) |
| [04:09:10] | fryfrog: | if it doesn't have a monitor, just export X or use vnc |
| [04:09:18] | fryfrog: | if it doesn't have X... install it :p |
| [04:09:24] | wagnerrp: | mythtranscode will turn those nice mpegs into nuvs, check into xbmc to see if it can play them before getting too deep in mythtranscode |
| [04:09:35] | larzen: | heh – i had to put X on it to even run the backend ;) |
| [04:09:42] | fryfrog: | can't transcode turn them into anything? |
| [04:09:58] | fryfrog: | i swear it can make the into mpeg4/xvid do-hickeys |
| [04:10:08] | larzen: | fryfrog thats exactly what I want. |
| [04:10:38] | larzen: | alright let me reboot into mythbuntu. brb. |
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| [04:11:00] | Dagmar: | MOAR DOHICKEYS! |
| [04:11:21] | fryfrog: | i concur |
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| [04:14:59] | wagnerrp: | whats this, whats this, this... is... nothing... |
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| [04:21:18] | sphery: | fryfrog: you're probably thinking of nuvexport |
| [04:26:04] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I note you're still addicted to the -users list in spite of recent mental retardation therein ;) |
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| [04:28:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yep |
| [04:29:10] | sphery: | Can't look away from it. It's like a bad accident. |
| [04:29:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery, lol |
| [04:29:53] | iamlindoro: | ask me how long a RAID reshape takes on an 8 TB array. Go on, ask |
| [04:30:06] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's more than 30 seconds |
| [04:30:10] | pat_: | that's if it doesn't fail |
| [04:30:11] | iamlindoro: | heheh |
| [04:30:12] | pat_: | how long? |
| [04:30:19] | iamlindoro: | 80 hours, that's how long |
| [04:30:22] | wagnerrp: | hardware or software? |
| [04:30:25] | sphery: | wow |
| [04:30:26] | iamlindoro: | mdadm |
| [04:30:41] | wagnerrp: | well theres your problem |
| [04:30:44] | iamlindoro: | pat_, hush on that fail stuff ;) |
| [04:30:51] | iamlindoro: | there is no fail |
| [04:30:54] | iamlindoro: | NO FAIL |
| [04:31:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, it's only a problem when reshaping, it's mooorrrreee than adequate for everyday use |
| [04:31:18] | sphery: | So, what shape did you decide on? Square or more rectangular? Maybe being a big unconventional and going with round? |
| [04:31:23] | wagnerrp: | my rebuilds are dependent on the size of the drives, rather than the number |
| [04:31:27] | iamlindoro: | dodecahedron |
| [04:31:33] | sphery: | nice call |
| [04:31:40] | iamlindoro: | I like to live outside the box |
| [04:31:46] | sphery: | you can always use it in a pinch for a game of D&D |
| [04:31:47] | iamlindoro: | or... non box |
| [04:31:49] | wagnerrp: | my old 300GB array takes about 2 hours, my current 750GB takes about 5 hours |
| [04:32:06] | wagnerrp: | although i expand my array, i dont jump straight to 10TB |
| [04:32:22] | iamlindoro: | Heh, well I'm not *really* jumping |
| [04:32:33] | iamlindoro: | More like... going from 5 TB to 8 TB on the movie array ;) |
| [04:32:37] | pat_: | isn't there some limit when you'll hit the unrecoverable bit error rate in all drives? |
| [04:32:42] | iamlindoro: | I mean, that's like more of a small shuffle forward, right? |
| [04:32:42] | wagnerrp: | so i actually have to do it a handful of times before outright upgrading |
| [04:32:53] | sphery: | That's one long jump for an array, one giant sink of time... |
| [04:33:03] | pat_: | which practically means all really large raid 5 arrays over a particular size will fail on rebuild? |
| [04:33:34] | iamlindoro: | pat_, The bigger problem I've been running in to is that these Seagate 1 TB drives have great warranties.... but you need them |
| [04:33:42] | iamlindoro: | the warranty, that is |
| [04:33:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: didn't you get some super mega mobo/processor (dual quad-core or something)? |
| [04:33:54] | fryfrog: | pat_: it could only fail and be ruined in about the first 30 seconds or less, from then on it is totally okay |
| [04:34:02] | sphery: | or just tons of SATA |
| [04:34:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, 4x NIC, 10x SATA2 yeah, |
| [04:34:08] | fryfrog: | and you can do the reshape and specify a temp file to use and you'd be safe even then |
| [04:34:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery, and I've expanded beyond the 10 x SATA ;) |
| [04:34:34] | sphery: | nice |
| [04:34:36] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [04:34:51] | sphery: | what cpu are you using? |
| [04:34:51] | iamlindoro: | Truthfully, though, I don't have NEARLY that much data to put in these drives |
| [04:35:00] | iamlindoro: | a Q6600 down there |
| [04:35:09] | sphery: | that should do |
| [04:35:11] | iamlindoro: | it's the "hides in the closet and does difficult thinking" machine |
| [04:35:18] | pat_: | has anybody any first hand experience with turning a whole filesystem read only, and overlaying with something like unionfs? |
| [04:35:23] | iamlindoro: | and silent in the "tree falls in the woods" sort of way |
| [04:35:38] | fryfrog: | pat_: what would that achieve? |
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| [04:35:44] | iamlindoro: | ie, "if a backend roars in the closet, does it make noise?" |
| [04:35:54] | sphery: | I'm just happy I figured out my prebuffering pauses... |
| [04:36:01] | iamlindoro: | oh? What'd it turn out being? |
| [04:36:01] | ** cesman has a Q6600 that is whisper quiet ** | |
| [04:36:03] | pat_: | fryfrog, a machine that is easy to update if you want, but can be turned off at the wall at any time |
| [04:36:24] | ** cesman would point pat_ to the aufs mailing archive... ** | |
| [04:36:29] | iamlindoro: | cesman, It's not so much the processor as it is the huge PSU, the many fans, 13 x drives, etc. |
| [04:36:46] | cesman: | yeah, that would do it... |
| [04:37:01] | iamlindoro: | I have never loved a case as I love this Lian Li, though |
| [04:37:20] | fryfrog: | pat_: i assume the readonly is what gets you the "turn it off when ever" but what does unionfs get you from there? |
| [04:37:23] | iamlindoro: | 19 drive bays, with cooling channels just for the drive bays and fans blowing air over them all constantly-- it's cool as a cucumber |
| [04:37:26] | cesman: | pat_: what about the db? |
| [04:37:27] | wagnerrp: | fryfrog: those bit error rates are about as worthwhile as MTBF values |
| [04:37:38] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: wasn't me :) |
| [04:37:52] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro: wow, 19 drive bays! |
| [04:37:53] | wagnerrp: | err... pat: yeah |
| [04:37:56] | pat_: | I just want it for a frontend with custom jukebox software |
| [04:37:59] | fryfrog: | is it rack mount or tower? |
| [04:38:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: CFS/CFQ--and my misconfiguring the system. :) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349300#349300 (and, note the now-more-useful page in the wiki: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . fering_pause ). |
| [04:38:04] | pat_: | the backend lives in the rack downstairs |
| [04:38:26] | sphery: | previously the prebuffering page had only one solution, unmount your NFS shares... :) |
| [04:38:36] | sphery: | Had to fix that one, then added some other (more likely) causes. |
| [04:38:38] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, yeah, 12 x 3.5, 7 x 5.25... tower. You could actually use some of those "3 in 2" 3.5 drive in 5.25 bay converters to get 22 3.5 drives in there |
| [04:39:01] | pat_: | fryfrog: the unionfs get it so it'll run, you can't have a read only filesystem that runs a bunch of stuff can you, all sorts of things fail if they can't write to a file |
| [04:39:05] | wagnerrp: | 5–3 and a 1–1 would get you 23 drives |
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| [04:39:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, 7 5.25 bays, 3 in each 2 = 10, plus the 12 existing ones |
| [04:39:53] | sphery: | Seems like every time I'm on this channel I hear about another filesystem I'd never heard of before... |
| [04:40:15] | sphery: | aufs sounds interesting |
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| [04:40:29] | ** cesman has something that will fit pat_'s requirement, however it is still alpha ** | |
| [04:40:30] | wagnerrp: | 5 in 3 (x2) + 1 in 1 gets you 11, plus the existing 12 |
| [04:40:45] | iamlindoro: | ah, not familiar with the 5 in 3 ones |
| [04:40:57] | iamlindoro: | i gotcha |
| [04:41:00] | wagnerrp: | 5 in 3 are a fair bit more common than the 3 in 2 |
| [04:41:15] | iamlindoro: | anyway, it's lots :) |
| [04:42:25] | wagnerrp: | and i thought my case was excessive, 11 5.25" but a rather sparse 5 3.5" |
| [04:42:46] | fryfrog: | 8 in 2 groups of 4, and 2 in 3 of the 5.25" bays |
| [04:42:52] | wagnerrp: | well 6, but one is intended for a floppy |
| [04:43:11] | fryfrog: | i wish i'd gotten the hotswap do-dad for my case |
| [04:43:40] | iamlindoro: | The thing I'm most impressed about is the coolness, though-- so many drives in such proximity should be much hotter, but it really does a remarkable job of the cooling |
| [04:43:41] | fryfrog: | but the drives haven't failed since the first 2 in 1 year, so i'm happy |
| [04:43:58] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky and I have the same case and mobo, he feels the same (last I checked) |
| [04:44:06] | fryfrog: | do you have a pic of the case, sort of showing the way it channels air? |
| [04:44:21] | fryfrog: | i like the case i got, it has a really good airflow design i think |
| [04:44:25] | wagnerrp: | one of my 3-in-2s is somewhat bad |
| [04:44:29] | wagnerrp: | hotswap doesnt work |
| [04:44:34] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, sure, will get one |
| [04:44:45] | wagnerrp: | and 3 loaded drives has a chance of dropping offline |
| [04:44:50] | fryfrog: | each quad of drives has a big 120mm fan behind it, blowing into the mb area which has a 120mm fan pushing air out |
| [04:45:05] | fryfrog: | and the powersupply is in its own channel, pulling air through the 5.25 bays |
| [04:45:21] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp: that'd suck :p |
| [04:45:37] | wagnerrp: | i would replace it, but i think im going to be switching over to a rackmount case before i have a need for the extra 3 drives |
| [04:45:50] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . puter%20Case |
| [04:45:53] | iamlindoro: | ugly link, sorry |
| [04:46:29] | jpabq: | Odd. None of my recordings tonight have good seektables. |
| [04:47:25] | fryfrog: | hey, that does look very nice |
| [04:48:13] | fryfrog: | lian li == expensive? |
| [04:48:40] | wagnerrp: | as far as nice cases go, lian li really isnt that expensive |
| [04:49:04] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . ro%20SR10769 |
| [04:49:19] | fryfrog: | thats the one i use |
| [04:49:23] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, more expensive that I probably usually spend on a case, but not that bad for what I got, I think |
| [04:49:35] | fryfrog: | it pairs the HDs with the motherboard, rather than the HDs with the PSU |
| [04:49:49] | fryfrog: | what is the model, i'd like to see neweggs price |
| [04:49:56] | fryfrog: | mine was $150, like to see how it compares |
| [04:50:02] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, Lian Li v2000 |
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| [04:51:10] | fryfrog: | humm, how were you able to link to pictures of it but i can't actually find it in search? |
| [04:51:11] | pat_: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/aufsRootFileSystemOnUsbFlash seems to cover pretty much what I"m after |
| [04:51:28] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, I runno, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112062 |
| [04:51:39] | wagnerrp: | the black one is $200 on newegg |
| [04:51:46] | fryfrog: | oh, de-activated |
| [04:51:57] | fryfrog: | not bad |
| [04:52:13] | iamlindoro: | fryfrog, ah, didn't notice that-- definitely still for sale various places, though |
| [04:52:17] | fryfrog: | especially for a case that is esentially good enough to survive 2–3 total upgrades |
| [04:52:46] | iamlindoro: | other nice cooling features are a fan to pull air off the PCI cards and one for the processor |
| [04:53:43] | wagnerrp: | that PCI cooler is ill thought out |
| [04:53:48] | wagnerrp: | at least on my desktop |
| [04:54:11] | wagnerrp: | you cant install a fan in the duct if you have a full width graphics card |
| [04:54:13] | iamlindoro: | Why is that? I'm pretty happy with it (for me) |
| [04:54:43] | wagnerrp: | full height? what dimension is that considered? |
| [04:54:45] | iamlindoro: | uhhh... why not? The fan is nowhere near where the GPU would be |
| [04:55:02] | wagnerrp: | yours may be different |
| [04:55:07] | wagnerrp: | im talking of my P180 |
| [04:55:20] | wagnerrp: | of course in the 182, they decided to outright drop that part |
| [04:55:28] | iamlindoro: | ah, I see |
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| [04:58:19] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if that case would fit under my desk (the v2000) |
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| [04:58:47] | iamlindoro: | It's tall, for sure |
| [04:58:55] | iamlindoro: | It's sitting on the floor of the entry closet, for me |
| [04:59:08] | wagnerrp: | ive got about 5" from the bottom of my desk on my 180 |
| [04:59:19] | wagnerrp: | and youve got another 80mm fan, and casters |
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| [05:02:58] | jpabq: | I see that mythcommflag's --rebuild option still doesn't work right.... |
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| [05:24:32] | ThatOtherGuy: | Hey, quick question – What permissions need to be on folders for them to be used in storage groups? I made some new folders with mythtv:mythtv and 765 permissions and none of them wanted to work =/ |
| [05:24:42] | ThatOtherGuy: | specifically, a LiveTV recording folder |
| [05:24:55] | ThatOtherGuy: | Also, tried 755 |
| [05:25:20] | fryfrog: | rwx for the user and/or group that the backend runs as, I imagine |
| [05:25:34] | fryfrog: | and enough r to let the frontend read it, if needed |
| [05:25:53] | ThatOtherGuy: | back and frontend run under the same account, mythtv:mythtv =/ |
| [05:25:56] | Wicked: | anyone here using a pvr-150 with ir blaster?...i can not for the life of me get my ir blaster working. i have this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/222359 |
| [05:26:24] | fryfrog: | what does the error log say? |
| [05:26:36] | ThatOtherGuy: | Wicked – I fought with that damn pvr-150 blaster for the last two weeks, finally just bought a serial blaster that I also can't get to work :( |
| [05:26:51] | ThatOtherGuy: | fryfrog – Dunno where the mythtv error log is =/ |
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| [05:27:12] | Wicked: | ThatOtherGuy, :( ...what kinda prob did u have? mine appears to be a software issue...some kinda kernel bug |
| [05:27:14] | fryfrog: | typically /var/log, "ls *myth*" :) |
| [05:27:27] | tank-man: | ThatOtherGuy /var/log/ is a logical place |
| [05:27:46] | ThatOtherGuy: | roger, found em. Will peruse. |
| [05:28:01] | ThatOtherGuy: | Wicked – Same bug. |
| [05:28:25] | Wicked: | ive never had a need for the blaster..but we just got cable boxes here..... |
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| [05:28:56] | ThatOtherGuy: | Ended up trying with lirc_i2c blacklisted, loading only pvr150, and visaversa but could only ever get the receiver working – whenever I tried to use the blaster with /any/ config the receiver stopped |
| [05:29:08] | Wicked: | and im curious how mythtv works with a cable box...how does it change channels and know when to record.....especially with channels above 125 |
| [05:29:42] | tank-man: | what do you mean how mythtv works |
| [05:30:26] | ThatOtherGuy: | Wicked – The tuner stays tuned to ch 3/4/whatever |
| [05:30:30] | Wicked: | well right now...all my channles are in the database mythfill makes....with the cable box.....i have channels that are over 125....mythfilldatabase only gets 125 channels |
| [05:30:38] | Wicked: | ThatOtherGuy, yea. i figured that much. |
| [05:30:48] | ThatOtherGuy: | MythTV calls a script that sends out signals to the cable box via lirc/ir blaster |
| [05:31:07] | Wicked: | but lets say i set mythtv to record something on channel 53...how does myth record channel 53? |
| [05:31:24] | ThatOtherGuy: | sends out '0 5 3' to the cable box |
| [05:31:29] | Wicked: | ok. so to use mythtv with a cable box...you absolutly need a ir blaster |
| [05:31:42] | ThatOtherGuy: | Pretty much yea |
| [05:31:51] | Wicked: | bummer |
| [05:32:08] | Wicked: | its been 2 days....and i can *NOT* get the f'ing thing to work :( |
| [05:32:24] | ThatOtherGuy: | Wish I could help but I had the same problem and gave up |
| [05:32:54] | ThatOtherGuy: | fryfrog – Theres an error in the backend log about TFW, Error: Opening file then TVRec(1) Error: RingBuffer on the next line |
| [05:33:03] | Wicked: | worst part is...its on my main desktop....so i can just install like a myth based disrto and have it be done.. |
| [05:33:14] | Wicked: | so crap. im pretty much screwed. |
| [05:33:20] | Wicked: | :'( |
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| [05:33:54] | ThatOtherGuy: | Get one of the windows mce remote/blaster usb thingies maybe? They seem to work well |
| [05:34:03] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: i'd kill for a weatherstar |
| [05:34:13] | Wicked: | ive posted the ubuntu forum....repeated my question in #ubuntu-mythtv ....and no one even responds....... |
| [05:34:38] | Wicked: | im even using part of mythbuntu.....so its even more of a shock that it doesnt work..... |
| [05:35:00] | ThatOtherGuy: | Wicked – I tried ubuntu with myth packages, mythbuntu, mythdora, and knoppmyth and I could get none of them to work |
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| [05:35:57] | ThatOtherGuy: | http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 is the best peice of information I've seen on the pvr150 blaster but it didn't work for me |
| [05:36:01] | Wicked: | well this should work. the pvr's are pretty well supported in linux. |
| [05:36:11] | Wicked: | yea. ive tried that article too |
| [05:36:23] | ThatOtherGuy: | I know that it used to. I had it working a year and a half or so back but :( |
| [05:36:37] | Wicked: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy |
| [05:36:43] | ThatOtherGuy: | gave up on mythtv for a while because my tv at the time was shite, and I couldn't get a decent tvout to it |
| [05:37:00] | Wicked: | that one mentions getting a firmware....but idid that too..with to no avail |
| [05:38:16] | ThatOtherGuy: | About the only real clue I read was that when i2c is disabled theres nothing in the dmesg about the firmware being loaded, but when you load pvr150 it loads the firmware but lacks the receiver... and since you can't load both >_< |
| [05:38:33] | ThatOtherGuy: | er, when i2c is enable theres no firmware load* |
| [05:38:51] | Wicked: | hmm |
| [05:40:36] | ThatOtherGuy: | at that point I just gave up |
| [05:40:51] | ThatOtherGuy: | and now I'm fighting with a serial blaster from irblaster.info /sigh |
| [05:41:25] | Wicked: | well...i know this should work.......i just need to figure why it isnt...sometimes i just hate linux |
| [05:41:52] | ThatOtherGuy: | yea, but once you get it set up it won't stop working for as long as you keep the box >_> |
| [05:42:02] | ThatOtherGuy: | unless you are so foolish as to actually update |
| [05:42:10] | Wicked: | lol |
| [05:44:31] | Wicked: | i hope someone will anser on the forum..... |
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| [09:23:00] | laga: | re |
| [09:25:20] | zorglups: | If I rip a DVD using the 'good' quality (to transcode it into a divx), this works fine but the divx shows interlaced frames. |
| [09:25:20] | zorglups: | How can I configure Mythtranscode to apply some deinterlacing filters de-facto ? |
| [09:28:43] | justinh: | man mythtranscode |
| [09:31:09] | laga: | mythtranscode doesn't do dvd ripping |
| [09:31:47] | zorglups: | I don't have the man pages on my BE but will look after it. |
| [09:32:17] | justinh: | so what does mtd use? |
| [09:32:41] | laga: | transcode |
| [09:32:48] | laga: | and there are no man pages for myth* ;) |
| [09:32:55] | justinh: | I know that :D |
| [09:33:39] | justinh: | just being my usual facetious self :P |
| [09:34:09] | zorglups: | I ment in Mythvideo, when I choose to RIP a dvd and choose the 'good' quality... |
| [09:34:09] | zorglups: | I checked the transcode man pages already. |
| [09:34:09] | zorglups: | My question is not which option to use but rather how to setup mythtv to fire transcode with those options. |
| [09:34:09] | zorglups: | Is this possible ? |
| [09:34:35] | justinh: | the options are probably hard-coded |
| [09:34:56] | zorglups: | :-( |
| [09:35:13] | justinh: | I've never been able to use mtd. get great results with handbrake though :) |
| [09:35:33] | justinh: | and it's fast |
| [09:35:46] | justinh: | and multithreaded :) |
| [09:36:59] | justinh: | (also available for linux) |
| [09:37:04] | zorglups: | I will have a look. |
| [09:37:04] | zorglups: | I liked the idea of having this nicely integrated in mythtv. |
| [09:37:42] | justinh: | my frontend doesn't have its own storage anyway, and the backend is too slow for transcoding |
| [09:38:03] | justinh: | FWIW, the idea is nice, but the reality is not nice |
| [09:38:05] | zorglups: | Actually, I like the way it is. I just needed to setup some options. |
| [09:38:26] | justinh: | I don't think you can, unless there's some documentation somewhere. Uhoh |
| [09:39:38] | laga: | justinh: the ability to make lossless backups is nice.. if you have enough disk space |
| [09:39:58] | laga: | i will set up xine later. just booting the backend to watch dvds is annoying.. also, mythtv seems to hate most of my dvd menus |
| [09:40:08] | justinh: | I'd rather make a lossless backup without all the menus & crap :) |
| [09:40:45] | justinh: | I still need to file bugs about myth's dvd playback |
| [09:40:52] | justinh: | everything I've got seems to suck with it |
| [09:41:19] | justinh: | and these aren't some new fancy stupid protected discs either |
| [09:42:02] | justinh: | well, according to the wiki we have a choice of rip settings.. each of which look like they can't be altered. yay for that |
| [09:42:32] | laga: | me too. |
| [09:42:34] | sid3windr: | yeah they're stored in the database afaik, but altering it there does not do anything :) |
| [09:42:41] | quicksilver: | that's funny. I haven't had problems playing DVDs for ages |
| [09:42:49] | quicksilver: | I don't watch *that* many, I suppose. |
| [09:43:01] | zorglups: | By the way : If you rip a dvd to divx in mythtv and transfer this file to, say, a laptop... Do you get as well interlace artifacts ? |
| [09:43:08] | justinh: | I think only one disk plays fine.. Teh M@tr1xoor5! |
| [09:43:33] | justinh: | zorglups: course you will. if it's interlaced, it's better to deinterlace it as it's transcoded |
| [09:43:46] | directhex: | justinh, ironic, given the matric was incompatible with many early dvd players due to pushing the spec too far for their cheap chinese-made asses |
| [09:44:27] | justinh: | I've given up now. it's probably all fixed in trunk anyway |
| [09:44:37] | justinh: | or not. I don't care much |
| [09:45:17] | laga: | quicksilver: we only watch the x files dvds right now. and of course, all of them are broken ;) |
| [09:46:39] | justinh: | does xine use the same dvd libraries? |
| [09:46:51] | justinh: | never had any problems with xine, fwiw |
| [09:47:38] | laga: | i dont like the deinterlacing in xine too much, mythtv looks better |
| [09:47:50] | zorglups: | justinh: "if it's interlaced, it's better to deinterlace it as it's transcoded" but for sure they are interlaced but as said, there is no way to give transcode the right option ... so this would say that mythtv cannot rip interlaced dvd ??? |
| [09:48:47] | justinh: | it can sure rip interlaced DVDs – it just can't deinterlace them as it rips, leaving the resultant file interlaced meaning you have to deinterlace on playback |
| [09:48:50] | directhex: | if you change the resolution of a video whilst ripping, it makes any interlacing in the source unremovable |
| [09:49:08] | justinh: | true |
| [09:49:20] | justinh: | but the 'good' setting doesn't resize the video AFAIK |
| [09:49:40] | directhex: | don't look at me, i use ripbot264 |
| [09:50:01] | justinh: | looks like xine doesn't use the same libs as mythtv does. there's your answer :) |
| [09:50:15] | laga: | directhex: why does that make interlacing unremovable? |
| [09:50:17] | justinh: | this sort of stuff always happens when folks reinvent the wheel |
| [09:51:33] | directhex: | laga, because you no longer have interlacing on alternate lines – you get unpredictable spreading over N lines, including the interlacing itself being spread across multiple macroblocks |
| [09:51:47] | laga: | directhex: eeeek. scary. |
| [09:52:07] | zorglups: | I will check if the resolution changed using the good rip settings. |
| [09:52:07] | zorglups: | For sure, in my case if I deinterlace on playback, it is really ugly. Probably resizing issues. I thought this was due to the compression that altered the frames... |
| [09:52:09] | justinh: | look at half the world's video podcasts :D |
| [09:53:57] | laga: | are there any podcasts worth watching? |
| [09:54:12] | laga: | i'm deeply suspicious of the whole "user-generated content thing" |
| [09:54:29] | directhex: | laga, really? youporn seems to have the format down perfect |
| [09:55:13] | laga: | that's not a podcast ;) |
| [09:55:34] | zorglups: | Anyhow, best would be to be able to deinterlace during the transcode (sorry to stick to this question but it gets really anoying). |
| [09:55:52] | laga: | i think you can specify the transcode command line |
| [09:55:58] | justinh: | best would be not to use mtd :) |
| [09:56:24] | justinh: | dvd ripping has never been a 'set & forget' thing in my experience anyway |
| [09:56:28] | zorglups: | I think I can only give the full transcode path but not the arguments |
| [09:57:42] | justinh: | when I downloaded handbrake I had to check myself.. it was only tiny, and AFAIK it comes with everything it needs |
| [09:58:20] | laga: | i usually use k9copy, but that's a different beast |
| [09:58:20] | justinh: | being able to do everything from myth's menus is not a blessing IMHO |
| [09:59:02] | zorglups: | I will try that for sure and see how I can automate it. |
| [09:59:03] | zorglups: | Actually, it was fine to do everything without having to hook a mouse. |
| [09:59:13] | directhex: | i've not found a linux tool that allows gui editing of important bits like cropping, AND properly supports h264 profiles, and produces output that works on ps3 and 360 |
| [09:59:31] | justinh: | you could always make a menu item which invokes a script :) |
| [09:59:45] | zorglups: | Yep. This is the idea. |
| [09:59:52] | justinh: | a little bit hackish but it'd work :) |
| [09:59:54] | zorglups: | Thanks for your replies. |
| [10:00:53] | zorglups: | I'm a bit hackish myself but wanted (for once) to check if I missed a point before re-inventing the weel (a second time) ;-) |
| [10:03:01] | justinh: | seems a bit daft that mtd can't be made to deinterlace though |
| [10:03:13] | justinh: | maybe time for somebody to redo the mythdvd gui |
| [10:03:20] | justinh: | it'll need porting to mythui anyway |
| [10:04:24] | laga: | a lot of the UI needs to be redone.. some things are horrible. i hope i can work on it once mythui is done |
| [10:04:44] | justinh: | beggars belief how some things er.. work |
| [10:06:01] | justinh: | I gave up trying to hack that stuff into mythuibuttonlist. I lack the code-fu |
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| [10:30:39] | justinh: | not heard anything about mythtube lately. dead in the water or still work in progress? |
| [10:32:42] | gbee: | guessing work in progress |
| [10:33:46] | gbee: | last I heard he was doing some mythui related improvements to the design, plus a few suggestions had been made which were being worked on |
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| [10:37:00] | justinh: | we hear loads about all sorts of things, and the net result is often nothing :( some really good ideas came out of the last long thread about mythvideo & associated metadata but it just died off |
| [10:39:07] | gbee: | well mythtube is at least a working plugin right now and there is enough interest that I don't expect it to die, although it might stagnate a little |
| [10:39:45] | justinh: | I'm incredibly frustrated now. can't seem to get my head around anything I want to do work on |
| [10:40:32] | gbee: | heh, did a google search trying to figure out how to mount the data section of this multi-session CD I burnt years ago, first and only google result mentions MythTV in the summary! |
| [10:40:41] | justinh: | trying to spacewalk before I can walk :) |
| [10:43:44] | justinh: | come to the conclusion that if I have to ask how everything works & be guided through what should be 1st principles stuff, I'm not helping |
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| [10:47:30] | gbee: | justinh: not necessarily, I mean ordinarily I might say that it doesn't help but if I know the person being helped is going to stick around and then it could be viewed as an investment :) |
| [10:47:49] | gbee: | s/and then/then/ |
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| [10:50:55] | justinh: | arggh this stupid damn unit is going in the carpark the quick way, very soon |
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| [10:52:33] | justinh: | they should measure this series' uptime in seconds |
| [10:54:46] | dustybin: | http://gizmodo.com/5049756/review-efix-dongle . . . ms-pc-to-mac |
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| [10:55:20] | dustybin: | "Well, I used it to turn my gaming PC into a Mac Pro over the weekend, and I'm somewhat amazed to say this, but it works perfectly." |
| [10:58:34] | dustybin: | hmm expensive little devices |
| [10:58:35] | dustybin: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EFiX-USB-V1-Install-Mul . . . 86.m63.l1177 |
| [11:00:46] | dustybin: | http://www.efi-x.com |
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| [11:14:30] | justinh: | gbee: where I fall down every single mother-loving time is inheritance & definition thereof. I know how it's supposed to work but get me to work it out from code I'm sat in front of & I can't. same old same old |
| [11:17:35] | ** justinh ponders divorce. wife is talking about going away with the inlaws again. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ** | |
| [11:18:05] | justinh: | Salou in Spain. Yay. Do you want egg & chips with everything? You got it! |
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| [11:21:09] | quicksilver: | justinh: wish her a nice trip! |
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| [11:21:33] | justinh: | exactly! |
| [11:21:53] | justinh: | at least last time with them, I had the dog with me so I could feck off out of the way on a long walk |
| [11:22:17] | dustybin: | justinh: you could have a week long session on IRC and theme building in peace :-) |
| [11:22:26] | justinh: | it's not that I dislike my inlaws – don't get me wrong – it's just a question of tolerance ;) |
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| [11:25:08] | dustybin: | justinh: put your inlaws on /ignore :P |
| [11:25:30] | ThatOtherGuy: | \ |
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| [11:57:32] | dustybin: | when i play back a perfectly ripped DVD the video and audio keeps on skipping |
| [12:04:33] | dustybin: | looks like the intenal player doesnt like iso files |
| [12:07:39] | laga: | works for me |
| [12:07:55] | dustybin: | im not the only one with problems |
| [12:07:56] | dustybin: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284096 |
| [12:08:13] | dustybin: | i ripped my dvd with dvd ripper in myhtv, it created a perfect .iso |
| [12:08:13] | laga: | does the original dvd wor? |
| [12:08:21] | dustybin: | im using the internal player |
| [12:08:29] | dustybin: | laga: ill play it now |
| [12:10:04] | ** justinh suspects the original will act the same ** | |
| [12:10:36] | dustybin: | hell its the same |
| [12:10:43] | justinh: | course it's the same :D |
| [12:10:55] | dustybin: | indeed both are iso |
| [12:11:01] | justinh: | rather heartening to know – that means there's nothing wrong with the rip :) |
| [12:11:07] | dustybin: | nope |
| [12:11:14] | justinh: | yes it does |
| [12:11:39] | dustybin: | so mythtv just doesnt like that dvd |
| [12:11:43] | dustybin: | ill try anotehr |
| [12:11:57] | justinh: | you can try as many as you want. won't stop it being broken |
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| [12:12:20] | justinh: | I've gone back to using xine for dvd playback |
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| [12:13:21] | dustybin: | oh hell ok |
| [12:13:40] | dustybin: | justinh: does that mean your stuff wont use mythtv internal de-interlacing |
| [12:14:00] | laga: | report bugs. |
| [12:14:22] | justinh: | report bugs, if you can be bothered. I know it's annoying that people don't report them but I can fully understand why they don't |
| [12:14:35] | justinh: | it's way easier just to side-step the problem |
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| [12:14:40] | dustybin: | i think everyone knows about these already |
| [12:14:54] | dustybin: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284096 |
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| [12:15:10] | justinh: | so there's a thread on -users – that's not the same about something being done about it |
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| [12:15:31] | dustybin: | i think greyfox is the man who sorted out that side of it |
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| [12:16:12] | justinh: | if there are discs that xine etc won't play I've yet to find one – not that I own many |
| [12:16:12] | dustybin: | hell ive lost the player command |
| [12:17:08] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Xine |
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| [12:17:35] | justinh: | another problem with reporting bugs is that my frontend isn't generally accessible when I have spare time to do stuff |
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| [12:18:32] | dustybin: | i imagine the internel player is VERY COMPLICATED to code |
| [12:19:55] | justinh: | Mars Attacks doesn't work right.. seen bugs reported for that and allegedly fixed |
| [12:20:04] | psm321: | that reminds me of something i've been meaning to ask... any dev-type folks know how difficult it would be to build a standalone player based on the internal player? (i tried once, but it looked to me like it was pretty heavily tied to things like the db but i wasnt sure) |
| [12:20:18] | justinh: | psm321: not easy |
| [12:20:27] | psm321: | k :) |
| [12:20:36] | justinh: | why reinvent the wheel anyway? |
| [12:20:45] | justinh: | ffplay, mplayer etc etc etc |
| [12:20:55] | psm321: | i happen to like the myth internal player a lot better than mplayer/xine for 2 main reasons |
| [12:21:08] | psm321: | 1.) the ability to play at 2x (well 1.5x but i hack it to 2x) |
| [12:21:12] | justinh: | or just 'mythtv $filename' |
| [12:21:25] | dustybin: | i thought the dev code could be used anyway |
| [12:21:28] | psm321: | and 2.) support for reading captions out of a .nuv file |
| [12:21:43] | justinh: | .nuv file support is holding myth back IMHO |
| [12:22:44] | psm321: | justinh: 1) i didnt know i could do that and 2) i'm assuming that still requires db access, so not useful for playing a file on my laptop away from home (maybe w/o internet access) |
| [12:23:17] | justinh: | bah give it 5 years... framegrabbers will be all but history :D |
| [12:23:31] | psm321: | i transcode my mpeg to nuv anyway :) |
| [12:23:50] | justinh: | I've yet to find settings that don't look like poo |
| [12:24:07] | psm321: | i'm sure if you gave it enough bitrate... |
| [12:24:31] | psm321: | but i dont care about video quality too much, as long as its watchable for me (which is less quality than others find acceptable) |
| [12:24:41] | psm321: | i compress down to around 250meg/hr |
| [12:24:48] | justinh: | eeew! |
| [12:24:51] | psm321: | :) |
| [12:25:04] | psm321: | i'm weird that way |
| [12:25:05] | justinh: | the default settings make a clip look like youtube video |
| [12:25:23] | psm321: | i probably use mythtv in some of the weirdest ways out of everyone |
| [12:25:31] | psm321: | but it works for me |
| [12:27:23] | justinh: | I'd probably use more if things worked different ways |
| [12:27:43] | justinh: | things I HOPE to be able to address at some point – should I ever get the knack |
| [12:30:53] | laga: | hum |
| [12:31:08] | laga: | i prefer the internal player because it can adjust fill mode |
| [12:31:45] | justinh: | heh yeah myth respects the aspect ratio :) |
| [12:32:10] | justinh: | little I hate more than stretching 4:3 to 16:9 |
| [12:32:51] | laga: | well, i usually want to do that |
| [12:33:02] | laga: | adjust fill cuts off some parts of the image |
| [12:33:15] | justinh: | philistine. you can go on holiday with my inlaws :P |
| [12:35:13] | dustybin: | hmmm xine doesnt de-interlace properly, even with the -D option |
| [12:35:31] | dustybin: | mythtv internal player works perfectly with anything apart from .ISO |
| [12:35:54] | dustybin: | maybe i should just re-rip my dvd into something what isnt a .ISO |
| [12:36:07] | justinh: | dustybin: rip the disc but re-author it so it's just the main movie :) |
| [12:36:18] | justinh: | menus are nothing but fucking annoying anyway |
| [12:36:26] | dustybin: | yep ok ill test |
| [12:36:58] | dustybin: | xine is ugly |
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| [12:37:14] | justinh: | some authors ideas of what's a logical layout are just insane |
| [12:37:34] | justinh: | and yeah you can do some nifty stuff with dvds, but just because you can is not a reason ;) |
| [12:40:20] | dustybin: | i have options: ISO, perfect and good |
| [12:40:25] | dustybin: | ill try perfect this time |
| [12:41:04] | justinh: | I wonder how many dvd problems aren't even mythtv's fault |
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| [12:41:32] | dustybin: | justinh: linux has a tendency to bring up defects in design |
| [12:42:19] | justinh: | people have a tendency to follow specs, which isn't necessarily how to get stuff working ;) |
| [12:43:35] | dustybin: | i seem to be missing the 'excellent' option in the ripper options |
| [12:43:42] | dustybin: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythDVD |
| [12:43:49] | justinh: | there are only 3 options |
| [12:43:53] | dustybin: | its listed on the table at the bottom |
| [12:43:59] | dustybin: | i have: ISO, perfect and good |
| [12:44:16] | dustybin: | that table says: Perfect, excellent and good |
| [12:44:47] | justinh: | the wiki is probably out of date. lazy users strike again |
| [12:44:56] | dustybin: | heh |
| [12:46:01] | dustybin: | mtd is pretty good |
| [12:46:05] | dustybin: | never used this before |
| [12:46:53] | dustybin: | i could create a divx or xvid .avi file using the good setting |
| [12:47:14] | dustybin: | and i bet mythvideo internal player wouldnt have a problem with that |
| [12:47:32] | justinh: | I'd like to add playlisting to mythvideo, but then that'd mean it'd probably act differently to mythmusic – which could be another bad thing. MOAR commonality! |
| [12:47:57] | justinh: | dustybin: apart from the fact that if the video's interlaced, mtd won't deinterlace it as it transcodes |
| [12:48:48] | dustybin: | another solution it to use some dedicated software to rip my dvds into a suitable format |
| [12:49:13] | justinh: | I used handbrake-gtk the other week. it's pretty nifty |
| [12:49:23] | dustybin: | aye ill take a look |
| [12:49:30] | justinh: | ripped to h.264 with aac audio.. looks nice |
| [12:49:44] | dustybin: | that sounds perfect |
| [12:49:53] | dustybin: | the perfect setting created this: |
| [12:49:54] | dustybin: | D038281.vob |
| [12:50:03] | dustybin: | ill test it with the internal player |
| [12:50:55] | dustybin: | shitting hell i forgot i put another dvd in |
| [12:51:33] | dustybin: | it still doesnt look right at all |
| [12:51:44] | dustybin: | it keeps on going fast and slow |
| [12:51:56] | dustybin: | like a benny hill show |
| [12:52:31] | justinh: | I found some avi files myth had real problems playing last night |
| [12:52:38] | justinh: | just cut my losses & deleted them all |
| [12:55:06] | justinh: | PCs are still damn useless at playing media |
| [12:55:44] | justinh: | not the vast majority of it, but if you can find anything that doesn't work by God does it ever not work spectacularly |
| [12:56:59] | justinh: | oh good. now I'm gonna be in a hurry to get home to get an ear bashing after telling my wife I'm not going on holiday with them. can't win. be miserable on holiday with them, or be made to feel miserable for not going. |
| [12:57:21] | justinh: | why the fuck did I ever get married? |
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| [12:59:12] | dustybin: | :-) |
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| [13:11:47] | AndyCap: | The answer lies within his question |
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| [13:12:58] | laga: | haha |
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| [13:29:52] | dustybin: | ive just transcoded my dvd into a xvid .avi and now it plays perfectly |
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| [14:01:01] | justinh: | ooo http://hotukdeals.com/item/244403/western-dig . . . rnal-hard-d/ |
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| [14:04:56] | bradd-2914: | installed a new fedora 8 and 9 box..when i try to start the frontend it hangs scaling the theme images..and when i kill the process the log says "cannot load language en for module X" wtf? |
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| [14:07:26] | justinh: | well, you just alienated all the Americans in here.. so good luck :P |
| [14:07:58] | braddd: | i guess i alienated myself then :) |
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| [14:31:33] | gbee: | ? |
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| [14:56:46] | dustybin: | justinh: ive ripping with handbrake on leopard, nice bit of software |
| [14:56:50] | dustybin: | im |
| [14:57:46] | ThatOtherGuy: | dustybin – hey, happen to know why Handbrake isn't actually outputting a file for me? :D |
| [14:57:53] | ThatOtherGuy: | I just tried it last night, slick interface |
| [14:58:25] | dustybin: | ThatOtherGuy: try asking ThatOtherGuy |
| [14:58:44] | laga: | is there a GUI for linux? |
| [14:58:50] | dustybin: | ThatOtherGuy: you need to wait for pass 1, pass 2 creates file on desktop |
| [14:59:02] | dustybin: | laga: i believe so yes, gtk |
| [14:59:06] | ThatOtherGuy: | showed as complete this morning =/ There a log file somewhere? |
| [14:59:28] | dustybin: | ThatOtherGuy: where did you point the destination to? |
| [14:59:50] | ThatOtherGuy: | my Z drive, root |
| [14:59:54] | dustybin: | i need to find out what a good bitrate to use when ripping a dvd |
| [15:00:06] | dustybin: | i dont mind if the file sizes are around 2+ gig each per movie |
| [15:00:35] | dustybin: | ThatOtherGuy: did you have permissions to write there |
| [15:00:40] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yep |
| [15:00:49] | ThatOtherGuy: | (running Handbrake Windows) |
| [15:01:00] | justinh: | pfft there's the problem right there |
| [15:01:02] | justinh: | :D |
| [15:01:05] | ThatOtherGuy: | ^_^ |
| [15:01:16] | justinh: | that and using lame smileys |
| [15:01:20] | ThatOtherGuy: | It's my highest horsepower machine |
| [15:01:27] | ThatOtherGuy: | my linux boxes are all virtualized |
| [15:01:35] | justinh: | heh |
| [15:01:37] | ThatOtherGuy: | except my mythtv which is the weakest hardware in the house |
| [15:01:44] | dustybin: | justinh: i set the target size to 2gig and the average bitrate is 1390, does that sound ok? |
| [15:01:57] | dustybin: | the audio is 160kbps |
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| [15:01:59] | justinh: | dustybin: I dunno. does that LOOK ok? |
| [15:02:07] | dustybin: | it hasnt finished ripping yet |
| [15:02:13] | justinh: | wait & see then |
| [15:02:16] | dustybin: | ok |
| [15:02:23] | justinh: | some people can put up with lower bitrates etc |
| [15:02:34] | dustybin: | i cant either, id rather a bigger file size |
| [15:02:54] | dustybin: | 2gig per movie sounds about ok, as most x264 rips are around 1gig |
| [15:02:57] | justinh: | 2 gig an hour on h.264? wow |
| [15:03:09] | dustybin: | the whole film |
| [15:03:17] | justinh: | hrm not too bad I suppose |
| [15:03:42] | justinh: | if the original movie audio is DTS or AC3 I'd want the soundtrack left intact though |
| [15:04:12] | dustybin: | actually, the average film xvid rip is about 700MB on torrent sites |
| [15:04:15] | quicksilver: | handbrake gets DVDs to about 1.2–1.4Gig |
| [15:04:29] | dustybin: | justinh: i selected both soundtracks |
| [15:04:35] | quicksilver: | looked fine to me but I'm no connoisuer |
| [15:04:54] | dustybin: | quicksilver: including the 5.1 soundtrack? |
| [15:05:07] | justinh: | seems strange to me that people are still clinging to cd file sizes |
| [15:05:08] | laga: | "connaisseur" i'd guess |
| [15:05:21] | dustybin: | justinh: aye indeed |
| [15:05:39] | dustybin: | i can tell the difference between those 700mb xvid and the original dvds |
| [15:05:41] | ThatOtherGuy: | justinh – Arbitrary standard at this point. People keep using it because it works and it's what they've used |
| [15:05:42] | dustybin: | the sound and audio |
| [15:05:48] | quicksilver: | dustybin: I doubt it. but surely the soundtrack doesn't take up much space? |
| [15:06:16] | dustybin: | dunno |
| [15:08:11] | quicksilver: | dustybin: no, audio downsampled to 2-chan 48k |
| [15:08:14] | quicksilver: | fwiw. |
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| [15:15:12] | dustybin: | nice |
| [15:15:13] | dustybin: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/146027 |
| [15:15:57] | Lynet: | Nice, except for that "XP preloaded" thing. |
| [15:16:14] | dustybin: | heh that can be sorted ;-) |
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| [15:16:44] | Lynet: | 802.11 a/g/n? Huh. a, not b? |
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| [15:17:00] | dustybin: | NetworkingNetwork adapter – Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Bluetooth, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11a, IEEE 802.11g, IEEE 802.11n (draft) |
| [15:17:02] | justinh: | nice, apart from the fact it looks like arse |
| [15:17:15] | dustybin: | hahahahaah i was waiting for justinh to comment |
| [15:17:37] | gbee: | overpriced |
| [15:17:56] | Lynet: | That could be good or bad, depending on whose arse we're comparing to. |
| [15:17:57] | dustybin: | gbee: that price will drop |
| [15:18:21] | dustybin: | nice little irc on the lap machines, a black version would be nice |
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| [15:18:53] | ** gbee has an Acer Aspire One ** | |
| [15:18:55] | justinh: | £300 just for an IRC client box? and you were quibbling over spending £400 on a mac mini? you nutter |
| [15:19:08] | dustybin: | yep true i guess |
| [15:19:29] | dustybin: | i mean, all i ever do on my latop is firefox and irc |
| [15:19:37] | dustybin: | and this is a macbook pro |
| [15:19:42] | justinh: | :-O |
| [15:19:48] | gbee: | £200 – specced more than adequate for a netbook (missing bluetooth but you can get micro BT adapters for £6) |
| [15:20:17] | dustybin: | aye |
| [15:20:29] | gbee: | plus better looking too IMHO |
| [15:20:32] | justinh: | I need a couple of those BT adapter doobries |
| [15:20:33] | dustybin: | i do like leopard, very nic indeed |
| [15:21:04] | justinh: | fuck. also need to head home so I can take my dog to the vets again. he shat blood last night :( |
| [15:21:05] | Lynet: | erm. 11.n is *still* draft? Is 11n the ieee equivalent of google keeping thing in beta forever? |
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| [15:23:25] | justinh: | Lynet: prolly won't make any difference in real terms anyway – not in our universe |
| [15:24:05] | justinh: | all this 'pre N' stuff is silly – the only things it's guaranteed to perform properly with are from the same manufacturer (just about) |
| [15:24:30] | ** gbee is bored ** | |
| [15:24:33] | justinh: | so insofar as it's 'not finished' as a standard – it's not really any different to any other 'standard' |
| [15:25:09] | Lynet: | Sort of like bluetooth 1.0 in that regard then. |
| [15:25:11] | ** laga unbores gbee ** | |
| [15:25:17] | laga: | gbee: i'm tired. |
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| [15:25:38] | dustybin: | when i rip a dvd using handbrake, should i turn on de-interlace? |
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| [15:26:05] | justinh: | well, here's hoping for a happy ending today. if not.. I can't be responsible for what I'll do. Maybe convert my mythbox to ReiserFS |
| [15:26:25] | dustybin: | justinh: DONT DO THAT, ReiserFS will murder your disks |
| [15:26:42] | justinh: | dustybin: well, if the day ends that badly I won't care |
| [15:28:03] | Lynet: | dustybin: It will broker a deal to show you where it buried it, though. |
| [15:28:40] | dustybin: | :P |
| [15:29:32] | ** justinh heads home, hoping doggy is ok ** | |
| [15:29:34] | dustybin: | think i might compile handbrake on my backend |
| [15:29:42] | dustybin: | my macbook pro is baking hot |
| [15:31:23] | gbee: | justinh: hope all's well, had my own trip to the vet last month :/ |
| [15:33:25] | whodat: | what would cause my pvr500 to grab video2/video3 on some bootups and video1/video2 on others? i keep having to change the capture card settings in mythtv-setup because of this :/ |
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| [15:37:32] | dustybin: | whodat: in your mythfrontend settings > general settings > select the options what make sure the frontend uses the tuner what isnt busy |
| [15:37:44] | dustybin: | do that only on 1 of your frontends |
| [15:37:53] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone have access to a weatherstar? |
| [15:38:27] | laga: | the handbrake build is interesting.. |
| [15:42:38] | dustybin: | nice docs |
| [15:42:39] | dustybin: | http://trac.handbrake.fr/wiki/CLIGuide |
| [15:43:25] | dustybin: | imagine all linux man pages were written like that |
| [15:43:31] | dustybin: | there would be no need for irc channels |
| [15:44:45] | laga: | haha |
| [15:44:52] | laga: | "HandBrake's preset for people without a lot of money to waste on hard drives. Tries to maximize quality for burning to CDs, so you can party like it's 1999. " |
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| [15:46:51] | psm321: | whodat: do you have another tuner card that grabs the other device names? |
| [15:47:03] | laga: | or a webcam? |
| [15:47:14] | psm321: | you need to make it consistent by either somehow controlling what order modules load in or using udev magic |
| [15:47:37] | psm321: | i dont really know how to do either b/c all my cards are ivtv and ivtv is consistent about which order it detects them in |
| [15:48:06] | psm321: | i used to have that problem when i had a bttv card and i'd just manually unload both modules after bootup and reload them in a specific order |
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| [15:48:23] | adicarlo: | psm321: i'm not sure I agree ivtv is consistent |
| [15:48:33] | adicarlo: | i've seen my cards flip it aorund and such |
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| [15:48:41] | psm321: | sorry, i shouldve said it's consistent for me :) |
| [15:48:42] | adicarlo: | I have udev rules that make special device aliases |
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| [15:48:59] | psm321: | i've never seen it flip any of my cards across many many boots |
| [15:49:15] | psm321: | but i'm sure it's possible, maybe in different hw setups |
| [15:49:34] | dustybin: | this is a great setting for ripping DVDs |
| [15:49:35] | dustybin: | HandBrakeCLI -i VIDEO_TS -o movie.mp4 -e x264 -b 2000 -B 192 |
| [15:49:44] | adicarlo: | psm321: no, maybe you're right |
| [15:49:57] | adicarlo: | it was my PCHD card + Haup |
| [15:50:11] | psm321: | ah |
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| [15:51:09] | adicarlo: | i have example udev rulesets tho if people need them |
| [15:51:23] | psm321: | i think thats what whodat needs :) |
| [15:51:30] | psm321: | and i'd like to see them too :) |
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| [15:51:50] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeee, only 1529 more minutes until RAID reshape |
| [15:51:52] | psm321: | i think i'm going to throw my bttv card back in somewhere |
| [15:52:01] | GreyFoxx: | Oh COME ON. that Floss Media Center "report" used a screenshot of the blue theme from 5 years ago! |
| [15:52:18] | GreyFoxx: | and a new photo of every other app |
| [15:52:34] | psm321: | iamlindoro_: you should document your hw somewhere... i had a lot of trouble finding a case with that many bays when i was trying to build my raid :) also finding a mobo with lots of sata... |
| [15:52:37] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Is that from the guy who wrote to the dev list months ago? |
| [15:52:40] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [15:52:45] | adicarlo: | psm321: pastebin.ca not talking to me :( |
| [15:52:49] | GreyFoxx: | he jst posted a link to the finished report on -dev |
| [15:53:02] | iamlindoro_: | psm321: Hmm, I guess you're right-- Even if only on my users page at the wiki |
| [15:53:05] | GreyFoxx: | and the shot of myth is ancient and no longer exists :) |
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| [15:53:47] | psm321: | right now i'm stuck w/ 6 ports, so i'll have to add a sata card or something when i expand beyond that |
| [15:53:50] | iamlindoro_: | FWIW people will probably never read it ;) |
| [15:53:53] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I wasn't sure if I wanted to read it, or whether it would just wind me up |
| [15:54:05] | adicarlo: | psm321: http://pastebin.com/m126f62ef |
| [15:54:12] | GreyFoxx: | I've only glanced not really read much of it yet |
| [15:54:27] | GreyFoxx: | but the screenshot stuck out like a sore thumb :) |
| [15:54:29] | psm321: | adicarlo: cool, thanks.. i'll save it off |
| [15:54:40] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: in fairness the website/wiki are littered with ancient screenshots, one of the things that might have been improved if the new website had ever been completed |
| [15:54:46] | adicarlo: | ah it might not be sufficient for distinguishing between to haup cards |
| [15:54:51] | adicarlo: | but it can give out a clue |
| [15:55:03] | adicarlo: | note I'm using the vendor in that snippet as the distinguisher |
| [15:55:03] | psm321: | GreyFoxx: link? (not showing up on gossamer threads yet that i could see) |
| [15:55:11] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: Yes. I just would have expect them to have installed it and taken their own shot :) |
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| [15:55:26] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.telematicsfreedom.org/en/flossmediacenter |
| [15:55:53] | iamlindoro_: | There's already some profound misinformation |
| [15:55:55] | adicarlo: | i have a random settop box query --- assuming I upgrade my SD settop cable box to a HD capable one, will it probably still feed an SD signal over s-video to me? |
| [15:55:56] | GreyFoxx: | I'll actually read it later |
| [15:55:57] | iamlindoro_: | by page five or so |
| [15:56:05] | GreyFoxx: | I'm home sick today and was just checking my mail :) |
| [15:56:10] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: he said early on that the reason they asked users to supply them with a list of features etc was because they didn't have time themselves to install and test every app, but still you are right |
| [15:56:10] | adicarlo: | this is sci-atlanta equipment for TWC/NYC |
| [15:56:42] | iamlindoro_: | like the part where Myth only run on linux... wtf? |
| [15:56:43] | psm321: | hmm thats not quite "blue" is it? (i'm using blue right now and it doesnt have the att globe..) |
| [15:56:46] | iamlindoro_: | er runs |
| [15:56:57] | GreyFoxx: | psm: Like I said from 5 years ago :) |
| [15:57:05] | GreyFoxx: | that's what the ble backgrond use to be :) |
| [15:57:10] | psm321: | ah, thats a year before i started using it :) |
| [15:57:30] | iamlindoro_: | Damn that mythTV for not having a built in hard drive |
| [15:57:56] | iamlindoro_: | oh wait, I was under the mistaken impression that this paper was about SOFTWARE |
| [15:58:18] | dustybin: | bloody heck, the handbrake binary works out the box |
| [15:58:20] | dustybin: | ./HandBrakeCLI -i /dev/dvd -o /mnt/video/handbrake.mp4 -e x264 -b 2000 -B 192 -T |
| [15:58:22] | psm321: | adicarlo: are you asking about hd downconverted to sd or just the regular sd channels? |
| [15:58:27] | GreyFoxx: | this is awesome. I can now control my flatscreen via serial ports |
| [15:58:35] | GreyFoxx: | mythtv@bork:~$ ./tv.pl poweron |
| [15:58:35] | GreyFoxx: | PowerOn |
| [15:58:37] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [15:58:59] | GreyFoxx: | The TV came with a pdf on a CD which documented the api heh |
| [15:59:14] | psm321: | nice |
| [15:59:34] | psm321: | i'll have to make sure to find one with that feature if i ever move into the modern era |
| [15:59:41] | adicarlo: | psm321: well, either I guess |
| [15:59:43] | GreyFoxx: | hmmm my Projector has a rs232 port too.... wonder f it's a common AV api |
| [15:59:51] | iamlindoro_: | Waiwaitwait |
| [16:00:04] | iamlindoro_: | There's...uh... there's no paper in this paper |
| [16:00:16] | psm321: | adicarlo: i'd expect (but cant promise...no personal experience) that it would still keep feeding you sd channels for sure |
| [16:00:16] | adicarlo: | psm321: i'm going to assume the haup would work fine for the SD channels, and not for the HD ones? |
| [16:00:26] | iamlindoro_: | A paragraph on each software, and a two page feature list is a paper these days? |
| [16:00:54] | psm321: | as for HD, my experience has been that cable boxes will not convert HD to SD, but mchou felt very strongly that the majority do do that |
| [16:00:54] | adicarlo: | wonder if I need to buy another PCHD card for it |
| [16:01:12] | adicarlo: | psm321: k |
| [16:01:27] | psm321: | well if your box does downconvert hd->sd then youd be able to record the hd channels in sd quality with your existing card |
| [16:01:29] | iamlindoro_: | psm321: As much a I despise agreeing with that guy, almost any will so long as you use an SD out |
| [16:01:32] | adicarlo: | i wish TWC would tell me what model they distro and I could read the manual |
| [16:01:39] | iamlindoro_: | ie composite or S-Video |
| [16:01:46] | psm321: | iamlindoro_: well mine doesnt :) |
| [16:01:57] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: nice, what manufacturer? |
| [16:01:58] | adicarlo: | psm321: which vendor? |
| [16:02:04] | iamlindoro_: | psm321: what does it do when you have S-video attached and tune an HD channel? |
| [16:02:07] | psm321: | perhaps the difference is whether the box itself is billed as an HD box? |
| [16:02:33] | iamlindoro_: | naw, all my boxes are alleged "HD Boxes" but you get SD out of S-video and composite and RF |
| [16:02:34] | psm321: | iamlindoro_: i dont have an s-video port on my box, just composite... on composite it will give me audio on hd channels but black screen for video |
| [16:02:45] | iamlindoro_: | psm321: weird! What's the box? |
| [16:02:56] | psm321: | motorola dct-2524 i think |
| [16:03:01] | psm321: | definitely motorola |
| [16:03:15] | psm321: | its an SD box tho (no hd outputs at all) |
| [16:03:50] | iamlindoro_: | ahhhhhhhh |
| [16:04:00] | iamlindoro_: | That may very well be it, then |
| [16:04:03] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: LG for the flatscreen. http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/lg-tv.pdf |
| [16:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | (thought you meant the other way around) |
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| [16:04:12] | GreyFoxx: | Wondering how I can tie it into myth |
| [16:04:27] | GreyFoxx: | especally if the API is a common one I can use with the projector too |
| [16:05:02] | adicarlo: | iamlindoro_: ah ok, so you are saying, there's a really good chance, I'd be able to go settop -> SVIDEO -> Haup, just as I do now for SD, but with all teh HD channels downsampled too? |
| [16:05:04] | psm321: | iamlindoro_: what i found odd was that it did spit out audio :) |
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| [16:05:30] | adicarlo: | psm321: that is bizarre.. but i've done work for motorola, and they bizarre thing they do I am not suprised |
| [16:05:49] | adicarlo: | i can't help feeling their peak of excellence was 50 years ago or more |
| [16:06:03] | iamlindoro_: | adicarlo: yeah |
| [16:06:10] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: I'd use it, if possible, to reduce the number of remotes needed |
| [16:06:37] | iamlindoro_: | adicarlo: For any box that can successfully tune an HD channel period, the SD outputs should give you a nice resized imag |
| [16:06:41] | iamlindoro_: | image |
| [16:06:50] | psm321: | i havent seen very many hd channels that are different content-wise from their sd equivalents |
| [16:07:06] | iamlindoro_: | Most ar simulcasts |
| [16:07:08] | iamlindoro_: | er are |
| [16:07:11] | psm321: | right |
| [16:07:12] | wagnerrp: | gbee: bleh, a harmony, or other activity-based remote, works well enough |
| [16:07:26] | psm321: | so in that case whats the advantage of going to an hd box if youre going to capture sd? |
| [16:07:27] | iamlindoro_: | Discovery HD can be slightly different sometimes, and there are the HD only channels like HD theatre |
| [16:07:29] | wagnerrp: | as long as you have IR line of sight to the device, may not be the case for the projector |
| [16:07:39] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: yeah. And it looks like a similar API is listed in my projector manual |
| [16:07:52] | iamlindoro_: | psm321: for the HD only channels-- also, an HD source, even downconverted to SD, is FAR better looking than the SD equivalent |
| [16:08:20] | psm321: | even if the SD source is digital? |
| [16:08:24] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [16:08:28] | psm321: | ok |
| [16:09:06] | iamlindoro_: | When the SD sources is 2–3 Mbit and the HD one is 13–18, and both are being translated to the same analog output, which would *you* rather look at? |
| [16:09:14] | gbee: | maybe, but a harmony is at least 70x more expensive than an serial to serial cable ;) |
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| [16:09:47] | psm321: | iamlindoro_: after i compress it down to 250meg/hr, i'm not sure it'd really matter :-P |
| [16:10:00] | iamlindoro_: | It *still* matters |
| [16:10:10] | psm321: | k |
| [16:10:22] | wagnerrp: | 250/hr is a bit low |
| [16:10:29] | psm321: | a bit? :) |
| [16:10:40] | psm321: | most people who see it consider it unwatchable |
| [16:10:43] | psm321: | i think its just fine |
| [16:10:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i was going to say 450–500 is more reasonable |
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| [16:11:50] | ** iamlindoro_ starts to do the math on how many hours of that he could fit on his RAID, then stops because his head hurts ** | |
| [16:11:56] | psm321: | in fact i had it going at 130/hr for a while due to the rate doubling bug and i event thought that was fine (but going a bit too far maybe) |
| [16:12:14] | iamlindoro_: | I believe it would be 32000 hoursish |
| [16:12:26] | adicarlo: | iamlindoro_: how big is the raid? |
| [16:12:32] | iamlindoro_: | adicarlo: 8 TB |
| [16:12:35] | psm321: | iamlindoro: i have about 3tb of recording, mostly at that quality (a few things here or there higher), on hard drives at the moment |
| [16:12:41] | psm321: | and a lot more burned off on dvds |
| [16:12:54] | wagnerrp: | back in the early days of opennap, one of my friends downloaded his first movie, an 87MB copy of the matrix |
| [16:12:58] | wagnerrp: | i laughed |
| [16:13:07] | adicarlo: | iamlindoro_: wow... how many recordings? |
| [16:13:37] | psm321: | probably not as many as me :) |
| [16:14:06] | iamlindoro_: | adicarlo: I don't keep most of my recordings. What is there is predominantly non-transcoded, commercial cut shows that I watch (ie all episodes of lost in their original broadcast format, minus commercials, same with BSG, etc.) and untranscoded rips of my Blu-ray and HD-DVD stuff. |
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| [16:14:44] | iamlindoro_: | I'd rather have perfect quality copies of the 10–15 series I do watch in HD than thousands of hours of Youtube quality stuff |
| [16:14:44] | wagnerrp: | well thats not going to last long on BR/HDDVD rips |
| [16:15:04] | adicarlo: | me i have hundreds of SD quality stuff ont here |
| [16:15:21] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: True, it will go fast... plenty of spare space for the moment, though, I only own about 50 BD/HD disks |
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| [16:15:26] | psm321: | is it 'recorded' or 'recordedprogram' that holds individual ep info? |
| [16:15:34] | GreyFoxx: | recorded |
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| [16:15:43] | adicarlo: | btw, i dunno if anyone cares but I have a lot of myth monitoring tools I've homegrown |
| [16:15:48] | GreyFoxx: | well individual recordings info |
| [16:15:53] | adicarlo: | such as munin graphs, nagios monitoring and stuff |
| [16:16:01] | dustybin: | im downloading 18gig worth of mame roms for mythgame :-) |
| [16:16:01] | psm321: | 26583 |
| [16:16:29] | psm321: | hmm whats recordedprogram? |
| [16:16:48] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: after which, you will promptly delete 17.9GB of mame roms because the games are complete shit |
| [16:16:51] | adicarlo: | psm321: you have 26k recorded programs? |
| [16:16:57] | psm321: | yes |
| [16:17:01] | adicarlo: | OMG |
| [16:17:03] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: thats when games were GOOD |
| [16:17:15] | psm321: | like i said earlier, i use myth in odd ways |
| [16:17:20] | wagnerrp: | games were never good |
| [16:17:25] | dustybin: | :o |
| [16:17:26] | wagnerrp: | there were a handful of gems |
| [16:17:35] | adicarlo: | psm321: even assuming you watched 24x7 for the rest of your life could you see it all? |
| [16:17:37] | wagnerrp: | in an otherwise sea of fecal matter |
| [16:17:40] | psm321: | a reschedule takes anywhere from 60–120s for me, and thats after the optimizations that were done a while back |
| [16:18:00] | psm321: | adicarlo: probably, but i have no plans to actually watch it all |
| [16:18:09] | psm321: | adicarlo: i watch at 2x most of the time btw |
| [16:18:28] | ** adicarlo hesitates to ask ** | |
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| [16:21:21] | wagnerrp: | a while back, i downloaded a pack of nintendo roms. nearly all of them are still sitting in their original download location, waiting to be deleted |
| [16:21:36] | dustybin: | heh |
| [16:21:44] | dustybin: | ive created a /mnt/game partition for mythgame |
| [16:21:47] | dustybin: | using lvm |
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| [16:22:05] | gbee: | lvm is <evil> |
| [16:22:10] | dustybin: | why? |
| [16:22:11] | psm321: | adicarlo: watching 24/7 i could probably get through it in about 2 years (at 1x) |
| [16:22:24] | gbee: | because |
| [16:22:33] | wagnerrp: | for instance, barbie super vacation adventyre |
| [16:22:40] | wagnerrp: | not something i would want to play |
| [16:22:50] | dustybin: | gbee: there is no other way to resize partitions |
| [16:22:58] | wagnerrp: | now i suppose arcade games are more geared to a particular audience |
| [16:23:03] | dustybin: | i think its lame making dirs on 1 big partition |
| [16:23:11] | wagnerrp: | but that just means theyre more similar and monotonous |
| [16:23:19] | dustybin: | make static partitions is no good either |
| [16:23:21] | dustybin: | making |
| [16:23:41] | wagnerrp: | so then its not really a partition |
| [16:23:43] | adicarlo: | dustybin: you can resize certain types of partitions |
| [16:23:45] | adicarlo: | anyhow |
| [16:23:51] | dustybin: | hmm |
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| [16:23:54] | adicarlo: | I think LVM is fine but I've lost a lot of data from it |
| [16:24:03] | wagnerrp: | rather just an independent group of files |
| [16:24:05] | adicarlo: | e.g., non-raid, concat'ing several partitions into one is bad |
| [16:24:20] | dustybin: | adicarlo: thats because you didnt rsize a partition the correct way, there are rules to follow |
| [16:24:24] | adicarlo: | yah now we have storage groups so you don't really need LVM, for recordings anyhow |
| [16:24:30] | adicarlo: | dustybin: no |
| [16:24:32] | wagnerrp: | what can you do with this group of files? |
| [16:24:37] | adicarlo: | dustybin: its because one of my spindles died |
| [16:24:45] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [16:24:46] | adicarlo: | and the whole damn thing got messed up |
| [16:24:57] | adicarlo: | didn't lost all my data but any data that was on that partition was gone and that was a lot |
| [16:25:09] | wagnerrp: | set up space quotas, set up independent nfs options, other neat stuff... or just mount in different locations? |
| [16:25:16] | dustybin: | adicarlo: my LVM setup is only used on 1 disk, 1TB, and that is also backed up onto external drives via rsync |
| [16:25:18] | adicarlo: | its not a bug in LVM, its just the way I was using it — caveat emptor |
| [16:25:58] | adicarlo: | anyhow if you just want resizeable partitions on a single spindle, jfs and parted wiill do it I think |
| [16:26:04] | adicarlo: | not sure |
| [16:26:15] | dustybin: | lvm is dead easy to setup |
| [16:26:31] | adicarlo: | but I always felt lvm did its job well, yes, it was easy to use and add partitions to this big glom and resize online |
| [16:27:13] | dustybin: | if i ever have to re-install my server, i will use LVM for all of it |
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| [16:34:29] | styelz: | hello |
| [16:35:44] | styelz: | can someone tell me what codec i need on windows to play video streams recorded in mytharchive. RealPlayer doesn't work for me. |
| [16:36:02] | styelz: | sorry, not mytharchine.. mythstream |
| [16:37:04] | dustybin: | styelz: what format does mythstream output? |
| [16:37:08] | iamlindoro_: | MythStream isn't a real myth plugin. We don't do that here. Anyway, as you can download all sorts of random stuff with that Piece of shit, you'll need to figure out what codecs that particular file uses |
| [16:37:16] | iamlindoro_: | could be anything |
| [16:38:29] | styelz: | media info shows it to be, Format RealVideo 4, Codec ID RV40. Info: Based on AVC (H.264), Real Player 9 |
| [16:38:35] | styelz: | thanks |
| [16:38:50] | dustybin: | mplayer for windows |
| [16:38:53] | dustybin: | if there is such a thing |
| [16:39:11] | styelz: | ok will have a gook |
| [16:39:46] | styelz: | shure is, will try |
| [16:40:48] | ** styelz downloads a typing tutor while hes at it ** | |
| [16:40:56] | dustybin: | i wonder if i can plugin 2x playstation game pads into my frontend and play 2 player mame games |
| [16:41:36] | dustybin: | i think R-Type can be played with 2 players at the same time |
| [16:41:47] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | dustybin: You should be able to... At leastyou can with a 'normal' mame emulator... ;-) |
| [16:42:09] | dustybin: | well 1 of my gamepads works perfectly |
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| [16:43:44] | styelz: | dustybin: thanks, that works. |
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| [16:56:49] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9949081537.html?kc=rss |
| [16:57:28] | iamlindoro_: | Interesting box-- hardware 720p MPEG-4 encoders, allegedly all open w/ source. They themselves suggest it would be a good mythbox. |
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| [17:11:40] | iamlindoro_: | Pffft, looks like they only went about halfway to it being a great box-- the 720p they talk about is 1024x768 @ 6 Mbit |
| [17:12:01] | iamlindoro_: | And even then, it's Part 2, not part 10 |
| [17:12:26] | iamlindoro_: | And its hardware decode will do h.264... up to 720p, d'oh! |
| [17:13:07] | ThatOtherGuy: | Is there a list of all the show color block meanings somewhere? >_> |
| [17:13:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Dude.. I think my cousin works for Neros... Jeeze, I think it's time to touch base with him again!!! |
| [17:13:35] | iamlindoro_: | in Mythweb, or in the frontend program guide? |
| [17:13:46] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro – both |
| [17:13:49] | ThatOtherGuy: | or either |
| [17:14:19] | iamlindoro_: | ThatOtherGuy: mouse over the word "mythtv" to the left of the word "listings" |
| [17:14:42] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_ beat me to it... ;-) |
| [17:14:57] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: When you do you can ask WTF they were thinking more or less leaving out support for even *medium* bitrate and high resolution stuff |
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| [17:15:28] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro – Thanks! |
| [17:15:32] | iamlindoro_: | ThatOtherGuy: np |
| [17:15:55] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Yep. ;-) if he's even involved in that box... last I knew he was working on a little STB multimedia player based on linux... pretty tiny little box. |
| [17:16:27] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Sounds like the OSD 1.0 (this is the 2.0, and jsut the dev reference design) |
| [17:18:41] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: Ah, yes. I just didn't recognize it from that pic, as it seemed to be standing up on an angle, and I remembered his a being 'flat', like the size of 3 cd's stacked up... (Might have been a prototype of the OSD 1.0... it was last summer...) |
| [17:20:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (ie: 3 standard CD cases stacked up... just 3 cds alone would be pretty tiny!!!) |
| [17:20:33] | iamlindoro_: | When I first glanced at it I was sort of hoping it would be like an open PopcornHour box, but the hardware seems too limited now that I look at it a little closer |
| [17:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | I mean, open source hardware encode and decode is great... but When it only goes up to 1024x768 it has limited application |
| [17:21:21] | iamlindoro_: | (and calling 1024x768 720p is a little disingenuous, but oh well) |
| [17:22:18] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: yeah... i'll see if I can get ahold of my cousin Tim and see what's up. ;-) |
| [17:22:40] | ThatOtherGuy: | when sending video out to a tv via a dvi > hdmi cable, it shouldn't be a problemw to add a custom resolution for hdtv, ya? |
| [17:22:41] | iamlindoro_: | heh, who knows, maybe they'll get it together by release time :) |
| [17:23:09] | iamlindoro_: | ThatOtherGuy: so long as your display/TV supports said resolution/refresh, no, that's not a problem |
| [17:23:37] | ThatOtherGuy: | Well, we bought it as a 720p tv, so I certainly hope so |
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| [17:27:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: I found what seems to be a log of a dev group for the box on google... from 2005... |
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| [17:27:11] | gbee: | I'd say a lot, if not all? have a single fixed input resolution – in my case 1360x768 |
| [17:27:42] | gbee: | the resolution/refresh rate required will be listed in the manual |
| [17:28:01] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: Hmm... mine will do about four IIRC |
| [17:28:17] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: with HDMI? |
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| [17:28:30] | iamlindoro_: | 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x720 and 1366x768 (IIRC) |
| [17:28:50] | iamlindoro_: | DVI |
| [17:28:54] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work doesn't have a HD "TV" yet – but his 22 and 24" LCDs will handle everything I've thrown at them over DVI... ** | |
| [17:29:29] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: Hey, two SDTVs is like 1440x480! ;) |
| [17:30:29] | gbee: | yeah, DVI might be more flexible, HDMI inputs seem to be fixed at least based on what I've seen and read – probably depends on the manufacturer *shrug* |
| [17:30:33] | dustybin: | this handbrake created mp4 plays fantastic on my macbook pro |
| [17:31:12] | ** iamlindoro_ checks his cares-about-what-dustybin-says-ometer and finds it at zero ** | |
| [17:31:16] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: hehe... they're both 1650x1080 native res... And cost a HELL of alot less than the equivalent sized "HDTV" display... $179 for the 22" and $299 for the 24"... ;-) |
| [17:31:45] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: yeah, it's a racket |
| [17:32:08] | gbee: | mine takes a wider range of resolutions with it's vga d-sub, but HDMI is just one res/refresh |
| [17:32:09] | iamlindoro_: | I must admit that I've been looking with some interest at the new 120 and 240 Hz refresh displays |
| [17:32:48] | iamlindoro_: | My projector will do that 24p stuff too, so if the patch for said material makes it in to myth maybe I'll start playing with that |
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| [17:35:46] | ThatOtherGuy: | gbee – Yea, I'm not even sure where my manual would be but thanks for the heads up re: fixed res input |
| [17:36:06] | justinh: | yay doggy is fine. probably ate something dodgy that went through too fast. his own damn fault for picking stuff up off the street |
| [17:36:10] | ThatOtherGuy: | inputs are hdmi, compnent, s-video, and rca – no dvi/vga =/ |
| [17:36:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ThatOtherGuy: There's always that thing in the internet — what's it called? Umm... Oh, I think it's "google".. ;-) |
| [17:36:43] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Glad to hear it-- wouldn't want to lose mine |
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| [17:37:23] | justinh: | and yes this is me saying this – the guy who said FFS OVER MY DEAD BODY ARE WE GETTING A DOG... never had any idea I'd grow so attached so fast |
| [17:37:53] | laga: | justinh: give it up already, we won't believe you have a heart |
| [17:38:01] | ** iamlindoro_ has his webcam up in the corner of the screen to watch his pooch all day ;) ** | |
| [17:38:23] | justinh: | laga: doggies >>>>>>>> noobies :) |
| [17:39:31] | justinh: | bloody hell. I allowed myself all night to get this printer installed & shared on the network. it just works (tm) |
| [17:39:49] | justinh: | we now have an always-on shared printay |
| [17:40:54] | justinh: | didn't even have to RTFM. blimey! |
| [17:43:27] | wagnerrp: | agh... i cannot beat bionic commando |
| [17:43:58] | justinh: | bionic commando.. sounds like an advanced method of not wearing any underwear |
| [17:44:33] | wagnerrp: | i cant get passed that last level where you have to scale up the side of the albatross |
| [17:45:43] | wagnerrp: | i also need to replace reboot with a script that checks to see if im currently recording anything |
| [17:46:12] | wagnerrp: | my dad was complaining about the frontend not responding last night |
| [17:46:30] | wagnerrp: | i didnt feel like actually fixing anything, so i logged in, typed reboot, apparently right in the middle of house |
| [17:49:40] | jams: | that level is a pain |
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| [17:54:26] | wagnerrp: | i swear ive gone through about 30 lives on that section |
| [17:54:36] | wagnerrp: | which sucks, because to get there, you have to clear three other areas |
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| [18:00:23] | laga: | justinh: btw, any chance you have that glass-wide patch somewhere still? pastebin.ca has been down for me all day |
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| [18:14:40] | rockhound: | hi everyone ... is there a solution for the audio buffer underrun issues? I am suffering severly via SPDIF ... I have tried every trick found via google ... |
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| [18:18:31] | gbee: | enable (or disable agressive audio buffering)? |
| [18:19:54] | gbee: | better yet, enable "Extra Audio Buffering" in TV >> Playback |
| [18:19:58] | ThatOtherGuy: | J-e-f-f-A – I have heard of google. Every other links says the exact opposite of the last when it comes to MythTV |
| [18:21:01] | gbee: | Google needs to start ranking results according to age, too much old crap floating around |
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| [18:23:17] | ThatOtherGuy: | Really, /really/, old crap in some cases |
| [18:23:27] | justinh: | laga: er... I committed it to my local svn |
| [18:24:03] | gbee: | svn diff -rold:new |
| [18:25:51] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: bionic commando? is that on _any_ current platform? |
| [18:26:00] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: Yes, all of them! |
| [18:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | (the remake) |
| [18:26:09] | AndyCap: | remakes? oh noes |
| [18:26:15] | iamlindoro_: | It's actually really great |
| [18:26:23] | iamlindoro_: | Same old gameplay, updated graphics only |
| [18:26:37] | AndyCap: | hmm.. |
| [18:26:49] | ThatOtherGuy: | Has anyone here tried running a mythtv frontend inside VirtualBox / VMWare / VirtualPC? Only stuff I seem to be able to find is all regarding people trying to run backends on em |
| [18:26:50] | wagnerrp: | bionic commando rearmed, its basically the same game with HD graphics |
| [18:26:59] | rockhound: | gbee: will try it ... thx |
| [18:27:08] | wagnerrp: | still sidescroller and all |
| [18:27:29] | wagnerrp: | although i imagine the 'hacking' and AA minigames are different |
| [18:28:28] | iamlindoro_: | Any of the free/commonly available Virtualization solutions are unlikely to have enough access to graphics hardware for a frontend to work right |
| [18:28:39] | iamlindoro_: | videowise, anyway |
| [18:29:06] | wagnerrp: | vmware supports graphics acceleration of sorts |
| [18:29:28] | iamlindoro_: | Dunno if it goes as far as Xv, though |
| [18:29:29] | wagnerrp: | there is a special graphics driver for it, but im not sure what its capable of |
| [18:29:34] | ThatOtherGuy: | Starting one up in VirtualBox let me access all the features but watching video is extremely choppy, so I'd guess you're right |
| [18:29:50] | justinh: | laga: for some reason I can't find the change |
| [18:29:56] | wagnerrp: | is this for... running in windows? |
| [18:29:59] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yea |
| [18:30:19] | wagnerrp: | do you need livetv? |
| [18:30:26] | clever: | i can get native linux binarys to run on a windows system using colinux |
| [18:30:39] | clever: | but the Xv still doesnt work and all graphics are a bit laggy |
| [18:30:56] | ThatOtherGuy: | I game, and I do computer support – I have to run windows for both to different extents. Been using a combo of MythWeb and MythTv Player to get things done but hell if I wouldn't like to have real frontend access |
| [18:31:51] | iamlindoro_: | You could always enter the murky world of Mythfrontend on windows |
| [18:32:09] | clever: | that looks like alot of work and crashing:P |
| [18:32:12] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro – Immediate crash; I blame Vista |
| [18:32:14] | justinh: | laga: can't even get a diff between rev. 30 & 31 (31 is the latest) |
| [18:32:22] | iamlindoro_: | I *said* murky ;) |
| [18:32:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ThatOtherGuy: I was thinking more along the lines of googling for the specs of your tv's capabilities... ;-) |
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| [18:32:39] | ThatOtherGuy: | J-e-f-f-A – Ah ^_^ |
| [18:32:50] | wagnerrp: | the boss battles are different from the NES version |
| [18:33:36] | justinh: | laga: was the fix for the 3 bin music screen? if so I can tell you what the change was |
| [18:34:38] | justinh: | laga: line 193 changed to <image function="selectionbar" filename="shared/selectbar.png" location="0,0"></image> |
| [18:36:09] | gbee: | what was the bug? there is a nasty one affecting metallurgy which I've not even tried to fix |
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| [18:37:51] | justinh: | gbee: text butted right up against the left hand side of the selectbar. Roll on mythui |
| [18:37:56] | corrr: | hi...i'm running mythwelcome, and when i exit out of the frontend my frontend+backend combo is supposed to shut itself down using mythshutdown |
| [18:38:15] | corrr: | problem is, it seems to randomly "not work"...just sits there with "MythTV is idle" |
| [18:38:15] | justinh: | hate managedtreelists with a passion :) |
| [18:38:44] | gbee: | justinh: ahh, in metallurgy the selectbar vanishes completely on the top 2/3 items and bottom ones too, only on the 3rd bin |
| [18:38:46] | corrr: | this only happens sometimes, and the only way i can make it start the countdown is to restart the backend. any tips? |
| [18:39:18] | justinh: | gbee: so I shifted the selectbar 10 pixels left & some of it was being left behind when it was moved down – only when it was on the 3rd bin |
| [18:39:40] | gbee: | ugh |
| [18:39:40] | justinh: | gbee: so my fix was to move the bar back to 0,0. not ideal either |
| [18:40:28] | corrr: | when i run mythshutdown -v all -s i get 2008-09–17 21:31:33.934 Mythshutdown: --status returned: 0 |
| [18:41:07] | justinh: | remember how I used to complain about UI code changes breaking themes? not any more :D Just imagining not having to dance around silly issues like that.. (well, if we're lucky ;) ) |
| [18:42:18] | laga: | justinh: no, it was something in the ui |
| [18:42:36] | laga: | err |
| [18:42:37] | laga: | osd. |
| [18:42:45] | justinh: | oh yeah.. oops |
| [18:42:59] | justinh: | there's no diff for that but I can tell you what changed |
| [18:43:29] | justinh: | laga: line 312 changed to <gradient type="selected" start="#50f050" end="#008000" alpha="255"> |
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| [18:44:04] | justinh: | made it green – just to stand out |
| [18:44:19] | justinh: | that's another thing I'm looking forward to seeing under mythui |
| [18:44:30] | laga: | justinh: thanks |
| [18:45:09] | justinh: | er.. hang on a minute... does there even _have_ to be a gradient type.. could it be an image instead or is it that hard-coded? |
| [18:45:32] | justinh: | I've not looked under the hood of anything around there so I dunno |
| [18:45:50] | gbee: | that menu? AFAIK it has to be gradient |
| [18:45:55] | justinh: | prolly just assumed that cos every OSD I ever saw was doing that, that's all could be done |
| [18:46:19] | gbee: | not 100% sure, but at least 95% ;) |
| [18:46:24] | justinh: | heh |
| [18:46:46] | justinh: | be quite an easy patch to make too but there's FA point |
| [18:46:51] | dustybin: | anybody remember the name of the tool what tells you what resolution / hz your running at? |
| [18:46:59] | dustybin: | mame works best in 60hz |
| [18:47:01] | justinh: | xdpyinfo |
| [18:47:06] | dustybin: | thanks |
| [18:47:17] | justinh: | or xrandr can too |
| [18:47:34] | dustybin: | "The 60hz is really important, |
| [18:47:35] | dustybin: | most games runs this and if the TV is only showing 50hz, there will be a horrible lag and un-smooth scrooling in games." |
| [18:47:58] | ** gbee is quite liking the new room layout, printer and scanning are in more logical positions, chair can turn 180 degrees without hitting the cabinet ** | |
| [18:48:08] | justinh: | never got into mame. life is too short |
| [18:48:25] | laga: | ooh, vpn is worky |
| [18:48:27] | gbee: | never got attached to old games |
| [18:48:32] | gbee: | laga: bastard! |
| [18:48:33] | laga: | even got it working in network-manager |
| [18:48:48] | laga: | gbee: VPN to my uni. still havent set up a vpn server here.. |
| [18:49:14] | gbee: | laga: heh, ok – server's the one causing me problems here :) |
| [18:49:31] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:49:55] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe how shitty my school's VPN is |
| [18:50:18] | wagnerrp: | i had to specifically enable single-des encryption in my client |
| [18:50:18] | dustybin: | Screen 0: minimum 720 x 576, current 720 x 576, maximum 720 x 576 |
| [18:50:31] | dustybin: | 720x576 50.0* |
| [18:50:32] | wagnerrp: | its usually disabled, because that hasnt been secure since the 90s |
| [18:50:34] | dustybin: | 50hz! |
| [18:50:51] | dustybin: | i might have to create another modeline for mame |
| [18:51:01] | laga: | i'm not sure if this is terribly secure either, but it'll do for now |
| [18:51:03] | justinh: | xrandr ftw :) |
| [18:51:05] | wagnerrp: | or, you need to move out of europe |
| [18:51:30] | gbee: | I was really prepared to buy a hardware vpn device, but home/small business class devices don't really seem to exist |
| [18:52:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, anything consumer grade that states 'vpn' simply means it doesnt filter out ipsec traffic |
| [18:52:02] | rockhound: | gbee: seems to work now as expected ... why is the extra buffer not set by default? |
| [18:52:25] | wagnerrp: | it 'allows' vpns to function |
| [18:52:38] | justinh: | rockhound: becuzzz.. it's not optimal for everybody |
| [18:52:41] | dustybin: | ModeLine "720x576@60" 32.7 720 744 816 912 576 577 580 597 |
| [18:52:43] | dustybin: | perfik |
| [18:52:51] | ** dustybin tests ** | |
| [18:52:53] | wagnerrp: | as if thats some nice extra feature that we should be grateful for |
| [18:53:09] | gbee: | rockhound: AFAIK it is, depends on the setting you mean though – one of them is disabled by default because on the majority of systems it causes problems instead of solving them |
| [18:53:22] | rockhound: | gbee: ah |
| [18:53:39] | rockhound: | maybe I disabled it at one point |
| [18:54:05] | ThatOtherGuy: | gbee – Check some of the lower end Sonicwalls. I've used em in point-to-point vpn with a Sonicwall on both ends but I think there is support for client dial-in |
| [18:54:26] | gbee: | ThatOtherGuy: thanks, I will |
| [18:54:29] | rockhound: | gbee: check out underground8 Limes MF 100 ... |
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| [18:54:51] | ThatOtherGuy: | TZ-150 in particular was what I used, but I can't say for sure about direct clients |
| [18:55:40] | bigdavediode: | Hey... just for the record... if anyone is using a Hauppauge Wintv-Go card, do NOT use Knoppmyth anymore — it doesn't work, use Mythbuntu. |
| [18:55:48] | bigdavediode: | Solved all my problems. |
| [18:56:01] | laga: | bigdavediode: what's wrong? |
| [18:56:19] | wagnerrp: | wintv-go is a... bttv card? |
| [18:56:23] | bigdavediode: | Knoppmyth 5.5 had major issues with the Wintv-GO card, previous versions worked, now it's permanently broken. |
| [18:56:41] | bigdavediode: | It's a 878 card, no MPEG-2, very, very basic. |
| [18:57:20] | bigdavediode: | Porting my data over was a real pain, though. Especially since I had to recreate the INSERT command to include storage groups which didn't exist before. |
| [18:57:20] | justinh: | bttv tuners have leprosy or something |
| [18:57:25] | laga: | bigdavediode: there might be a patch for that.. |
| [18:57:46] | bigdavediode: | justin — since I've installed it, my arm fell off. |
| [18:58:07] | justinh: | they still have their uses though.. like zoneminder :) |
| [18:58:10] | bigdavediode: | It worked fine with previous Knoppmyths. Truthfully, though, the install for Mythbuntu is better than Knoppmyth. |
| [18:58:47] | laga: | bigdavediode: i can't find that patch right now. it was an issue with newer kernels AFAIK |
| [18:58:48] | bigdavediode: | laga — I couldn't find anything. I could only find a forum where people hadn't gotten it working with 5.5 for three months and more. |
| [18:58:51] | justinh: | I'm sure the mythbuntu guys will feel all fuzzy finding that out. though if knoppmyth folks never get to know about your problems they can't fix em |
| [18:59:12] | ThatOtherGuy: | I'm in favor of mythbuntu because it includes little bits like an actual desktop environment for when you need to fix shit :p |
| [18:59:20] | wagnerrp: | the knoppmyth lead is... kormoc? |
| [18:59:30] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:59:34] | wagnerrp: | guess not |
| [18:59:41] | bigdavediode: | Not sure how to tell them... |
| [18:59:48] | kormoc: | I'm co maintainer of mythweb |
| [18:59:52] | justinh: | cesman is. #knoppmyth |
| [19:00:00] | wagnerrp: | cesman, thats who i was thinking of |
| [19:00:03] | ThatOtherGuy: | kormoc – <3 for mythweb, props2u |
| [19:00:13] | ** kormoc tips his hat ** | |
| [19:00:13] | justinh: | at least somebody in #knoppmyth should be able to tell you how to go about reporting it |
| [19:00:15] | bigdavediode: | I had no idea that there was a channel for knoppmyth! |
| [19:01:06] | justinh: | maybe none of the testers could verify 5.5 was ok for bttv tuners... |
| [19:01:08] | bigdavediode: | Well I haven't got anything to report, as I've been on here the last few weeks with various errors trying to track them down and gave up. I don't have the errors anymore. The essence of it is, though, is "no live tv with knoppmyth, knoppmyth no worky with WinGo-TV." |
| [19:01:14] | justinh: | they're a dying breed :) |
| [19:01:50] | wagnerrp: | yes, but im sure were all happy to see it go |
| [19:01:53] | bigdavediode: | It's alive! Look, my WinTV-GO is pining for the fjords! |
| [19:01:55] | justinh: | as laga said it's probably something kernel related |
| [19:02:20] | bigdavediode: | I think you're right there, justin, as I couldn't get it to work no matter what. |
| [19:02:45] | bigdavediode: | Could you guys please spread the word about this, though, as there are quite a few of us out here — probably at least six of us. |
| [19:02:47] | justinh: | for something that has been supported by mythtv from the year DOT... I think it'd have to be as serious as a kernel issue ;) |
| [19:03:05] | laga: | bigdavediode: what do you want us to spread? some random FUD about bttv cards not working? ;) |
| [19:03:11] | laga: | bigdavediode: just go and report the bug ;) |
| [19:03:13] | bigdavediode: | ;) |
| [19:03:20] | justinh: | bigdavediode: all I do with framegrabber users is point them at pvr150 cards & such |
| [19:03:30] | justinh: | and yet they persist |
| [19:03:38] | justinh: | there is no known cure |
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| [19:08:19] | wagnerrp: | sadly the 150s are getting scarce |
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| [19:11:07] | bigdavediode: | justin — well the old Wintv-GO cards are reliable, came with a remote and IR blaster. |
| [19:12:02] | bigdavediode: | And since my preference is for mpeg4 rather than mpeg2 (spit, barf), and also because I'm a cheap bastard, it makes some sense. |
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| [19:13:40] | wagnerrp: | what bitrate are you running that mpeg4 to (im assuming youre using ASP) |
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| [19:20:55] | bigdavediode: | Hi wagner, that I can't answer off hand... I'm not sure. I do set myth to high quality. |
| [19:21:25] | wagnerrp: | im just commenting that the codec is only as good as the bitrate you give it |
| [19:22:38] | wagnerrp: | single pass encodes of mpeg4 ASP should still be 1–1.5mbit (plus audio), although thats still a fair bit smaller than the pvr outpus |
| [19:22:41] | wagnerrp: | outputs |
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| [19:34:05] | justinh: | I tried a bttv card once just for giggles. I wasn't laughing when I saw the 'quality' |
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| [19:38:07] | laga: | i've just assigned a key on my remote to xine. yay for irexec |
| [19:38:56] | laga: | and why is the sound stuttering now, gah |
| [19:39:41] | Dagmar: | Now you might want to set up an "only run one of these, ever" wrapper script. |
| [19:39:43] | laga: | mythbuntu-lirc-generator set up the most important keys properly. yay. |
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| [19:40:01] | laga: | Dagmar: yes. combined with some "killall if pushed twice" magic. |
| [19:41:03] | bigdavediode: | wagner — that's interesting — I haven't played too much with it, except to say that the mpeg-2 file sizes were disturbingly large |
| [19:41:21] | bigdavediode: | justin — I can't speak for other cards, but the quality on my Wintv-GO is quite good. |
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| [19:41:43] | laga: | do normal dvd players have a "back" button? |
| [19:41:47] | bigdavediode: | I think there were some color saturation problems which were fixed in later tweaks for the Wintv-Go, because every time I upgrade the quality has improved. |
| [19:42:00] | sphery: | laga: are you using LIRC modes? |
| [19:42:18] | laga: | sphery: no. i think i should, but i don't know yet what they really do |
| [19:42:27] | bigdavediode: | Bye for now... |
| [19:42:29] | laga: | there's just a vague concept in my head :) |
| [19:42:57] | sphery: | Just curious. I was wondering if you had found a good way to handle switching back to Myth mode when the non-Myth program is shut down without the remote (i.e. from the shell or something). |
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| [19:43:07] | laga: | ah. |
| [19:43:10] | dustybin: | bloody heck, because im using VGA > RGB SCART, with the correct modeline, mame looks like a original arcade game :-) |
| [19:43:50] | laga: | sphery: so, lirc modes basically kick my remote into another layout? |
| [19:44:56] | sphery: | I have a 'net radio script that sometimes I control through the remote and other times through shell. I've been trying for about a year to decide if it's more annoying to have only one button for the script or to /have/ to push the switch-back-to-Myth mode button (and possibly get "lost" in another mode). |
| [19:45:37] | sphery: | laga: Yeah. Basically like a software version of a "universal" remote. It still sends the same signals, but LIRC clients interpret them differently (according to the specified mode). |
| [19:45:50] | laga: | neat. |
| [19:45:58] | sphery: | mode is maintained completely within the computer. |
| [19:46:30] | laga: | i need to try that. |
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| [19:46:54] | sphery: | Yeah, it's nice, and if they had accepted the patch that allowed a shell command to change modes, I'd be using it. Maybe one of these days I'll clean up the patch that was submitted and do it right so that it may be accepted. |
| [19:47:20] | justinh: | call me bad but I've been considering getting one of those nasty logitech remotes |
| [19:47:30] | justinh: | MOARBUTTONZ |
| [19:47:52] | justinh: | it'll save me hacking on code for a little while longer |
| [19:48:05] | justinh: | and they're ridiculously cheap at my local emporium |
| [19:48:07] | sphery: | laga: So, if you're not using modes, why do you have an irexec button to start xine? Wouldn't you then be controlling both mythfrontend and xine at the same time (since you didn't tell Myth--through MythVideo--to ignore LIRC presses)? |
| [19:49:04] | sphery: | justinh: If they had one that just sent an RF signal to the computer, I'd use it. I think the RF versions send an RF signal, then re-transmit it as IR (rather than actually sending a message to the computer). |
| [19:49:13] | laga: | sphery: yes. but i only use that xine button when mythfrontend is not running |
| [19:49:26] | sphery: | Oh. Well, with modes, you could use it anytime. :) |
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| [19:49:38] | laga: | sphery: my backend isn't running all the time and if you just want to watch a DVD with the SWMBO :) |
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| [19:50:10] | justinh: | sphery: there's a oneforall remote that does that |
| [19:50:10] | ThatOtherGuy: | Gah. |
| [19:50:24] | ThatOtherGuy: | Anyone have a working irblaster from irblaster.info? >_< |
| [19:50:33] | ThatOtherGuy: | specifically, with mythbuntu |
| [19:50:46] | justinh: | sphery: I considered it but thought better of it because I've no idea if it'd work in loonix |
| [19:50:58] | sphery: | d'oh... In my "rm -rf ... **" (where ** was supposed to be &&, but my right hand was one left from home keys), I accidentally deleted my mode-enabled lircrc... :( |
| [19:51:13] | justinh: | sphery: http://www.oneforall-int.com/?pag=39&prodnr=40 |
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| [19:51:51] | ThatOtherGuy: | I can't for the life of me get the fucker working~ |
| [19:51:59] | sphery: | justinh: I think my ATI Remote Wonder has more buttons... |
| [19:51:59] | justinh: | bugger. it just works in linux! |
| [19:52:12] | justinh: | sphery: yeah but this is an universal remote too :) |
| [19:52:14] | laga: | sphery: backup? :) |
| [19:52:33] | sphery: | laga: what's the point of a backup when there's nothing important there? ;) |
| [19:52:33] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ThatOtherGuy: Is it a simple Serial IR blaster? |
| [19:53:18] | ThatOtherGuy: | Looks like it. DB9 to wire to LED |
| [19:53:24] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ThatOtherGuy: yeah, it is... Are you sure you have a proper LIRC setup for it? |
| [19:53:59] | ThatOtherGuy: | I've tried damn near everything I can think of, from the Mythbuntu Control Center to ganking LIRC confs from Mark's Blog and the associated stuff |
| [19:54:07] | justinh: | the only thing that has ever bothered me about the harmony remotes is the stupid dumb-ass idea of having the 'watch dvd' menus on em. if they can be re-oriented I'll snap one up |
| [19:54:23] | ThatOtherGuy: | setserial as per the MythBuntu manual and http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=893697 |
| [19:54:23] | justinh: | ThatOtherGuy: you bought it, so don't you get any tech support? |
| [19:54:39] | ThatOtherGuy: | Good question |
| [19:54:49] | ThatOtherGuy: | brb to look it up |
| [19:54:54] | AndyCap: | justinh: reoriented? |
| [19:55:19] | justinh: | reoriented as in.. DELETED |
| [19:56:17] | ThatOtherGuy: | justinh – Doesn't look like it, it was pretty cheap but nobody I could find had complaints about it. |
| [19:56:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | justinh: What's it do, run a macro or something? (ie, turn on the tv, dvd, etc, and press play?) |
| [19:56:58] | gbee: | Harmony? Cheap? |
| [19:57:43] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ThatOtherGuy: It's a simple IR blaster – you have to setup the config to know the codes to transmit... Does it have a visible red led on it to show you it's transmitting? (looks like it might) |
| [19:58:06] | ThatOtherGuy: | If it does, then I haven't even gotten it to activate |
| [19:58:08] | justinh: | gbee: yeah scan have it at 35 quids |
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| [19:58:27] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | gbee: ThatOtherGuy is talking about a serial ir blaster ... ;-) |
| [19:58:41] | justinh: | I know other remotes are cheaper, yada yada yada – BUT – they can't control more than one device ;) |
| [19:58:50] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A|work: crossed wires ;) |
| [19:59:04] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ThatOtherGuy: Ok, well, sounds like you should head over to lirc.org and look at their troubleshooting... |
| [19:59:10] | ThatOtherGuy: | Roger. |
| [19:59:20] | laga: | justinh: my sony remote was quite cheap (30€) and can do macro modes etc |
| [19:59:29] | ThatOtherGuy: | My camera is out on loan or I'd check with that =/ Maybe I'll wait for it to get back |
| [19:59:50] | justinh: | laga: in 'myth' mode, are you able to use all the buttons? |
| [20:00:08] | justinh: | I had trouble finding a device with enough active buttons on my OFA-6 |
| [20:00:20] | gbee: | justinh: well the universal 4-in-1 ones are cheaper ;) I bulk a little a paying that much for a remote, not because it's a lot of money but because it's ... a remote |
| [20:00:25] | laga: | justinh: same trouble here. but it can learn new signals |
| [20:00:36] | justinh: | hence me making a JP1 cable to frig it's friggin brains out |
| [20:01:05] | justinh: | gbee: I have a OFA-6 already but it really needs more buttons |
| [20:01:17] | wagnerrp: | justinh: what do you mean the 'watch dvd' menus? |
| [20:01:35] | wagnerrp: | those are just activities, you can configure them to do whatever you want |
| [20:01:52] | justinh: | wagnerrp: like rename them & customise the living hell out of them? |
| [20:02:16] | wagnerrp: | right, you can rename them and customize the living hell out of them |
| [20:02:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | hack the kernel! ;-) |
| [20:02:21] | justinh: | ooo |
| [20:02:35] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i dont like is there is no way to flip between two different activities |
| [20:02:35] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | (of the harmony remote... ;-) ) |
| [20:02:36] | laga: | but you need windows, rightß |
| [20:02:49] | laga: | s/ß/?/ |
| [20:02:52] | justinh: | I have enough windows to configure it |
| [20:03:00] | wagnerrp: | i cant be watching tv, and then flip to a dvd during the commercials |
| [20:03:05] | gbee: | that makes it a little more appealing for £35, but I'd still be happier at something like £25 |
| [20:03:06] | wagnerrp: | it wants to turn the dvd player off |
| [20:03:13] | justinh: | I'm not geek enough to get rid of windows, not til linux can do serious NON BORING things well |
| [20:03:28] | wagnerrp: | of course that not so much a problem with the lack of commercials in mythtv |
| [20:03:51] | justinh: | wagnerrp: I'd be using it in device mode then |
| [20:04:10] | wagnerrp: | ok, device mode negates the entire purpose of the harmony |
| [20:04:31] | wagnerrp: | i only go into device mode when something is broken |
| [20:04:35] | justinh: | unless all you want is a pc-programmable universal remote with more buttons than the average universal remote |
| [20:04:40] | gbee: | whilst sorting out stuff I found a DVD marked up "Backup before ditching Windows", dated 2004 :) |
| [20:04:40] | justinh: | ;) |
| [20:04:57] | gbee: | so I've officially been Windows free for at least 4 years now |
| [20:04:59] | justinh: | heh |
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| [20:05:17] | justinh: | I don't really wish I could ditch windows, either |
| [20:05:35] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im prefectly happy with my desktop |
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| [20:05:49] | justinh: | well, not XP anyway. does what it says on the tin, is mildly annoying from time to time but otherwise is rock solid |
| [20:06:12] | wagnerrp: | im just comfortable in the windows UI |
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| [20:06:30] | justinh: | and for DJing in linux – sure you can but then I'm not the kind of person who'd DJ with a controller with wires hanging out of it all over the place |
| [20:06:55] | wagnerrp: | ive used KDE at work for the last 4 years, and gnome on my laptop for 2.5 |
| [20:07:01] | wagnerrp: | they just dont... fit me |
| [20:07:06] | justinh: | then again, if I can be bothered with this friday's gig it'll be my last |
| [20:07:33] | justinh: | I only really want to go up cos they owe me money :) |
| [20:07:39] | gbee: | that's how I've found linux, ignoring problems caused by my tinkering it's been rock solid and does everything I need, I just couldn't see a reason to continue with Windows and all it's required spyware, antivirus, firewall crap |
| [20:08:15] | wagnerrp: | ive not run a firewall, antivirus, or antispyware program on my windows machines since some time in 2002 |
| [20:08:25] | justinh: | yeah well, that said I haven't gone doolally installing apps on my laptop. I put Ableton on there, vncviewer, firefox & putty. that's it |
| [20:08:50] | wagnerrp: | ive only ever once had a virus, and thats just because i took my laptop to campus fresh installed and unpatched |
| [20:09:37] | dustybin: | no wonder why my mp4 was playing slow, i forgot i already had something else encoding in the background, doh |
| [20:09:55] | dustybin: | 100% CPU HERTZ MOARAGE |
| [20:09:58] | wagnerrp: | dustybin, you dont run things at reduced priority? |
| [20:10:00] | gbee: | wagnerrp: well you're lucky then, I never had a virus running Windows, but I've helped out friends and family who were affected far too many times to be complacent |
| [20:10:18] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: not yet |
| [20:10:19] | justinh: | gbee: $users get riddled way more often than the likes of us ;) |
| [20:10:36] | justinh: | clicking OK became an automatic action long, long ago |
| [20:10:44] | Dagmar: | I am a paranoid, hardass, untrusting BASTARD but this doesn't help if you ahve to run Windows. |
| [20:10:44] | laga: | gah, running out of keys on my remote. stupid xine |
| [20:10:56] | wagnerrp: | gbee: my sister has picked up a virus or two over the years, my parents did long long ago (win95 era) |
| [20:10:56] | dustybin: | gbee: your viruses checker didnt detect the self morphing encyption ones :P |
| [20:11:05] | wagnerrp: | any time i go over to my aunt and uncles, their computer is trashed |
| [20:11:12] | Dagmar: | *Twice* I have had to remove someone's spyware off my machine that came in through a browser plugin exploit. |
| [20:11:15] | justinh: | my dad still insists on using IE, and for that I refuse to help |
| [20:11:24] | gbee: | I'd never run a windows machine without a firewall, I'd probably not trust IE or OE at all, spyware/anti-virus probably wouldn't be essential for an experienced user but at the same time I'd prefer not to chance it |
| [20:11:39] | wagnerrp: | i ended up reinstalling their machine and forcing them to give their kids limited accounts |
| [20:11:42] | justinh: | every time we speak he asks what AV & firewall I use. NONE, is the answer |
| [20:11:42] | Dagmar: | justinh: My parents have been made aware of just how much support they'll get from me if they use IE on any site that doesn't absolutely require ir |
| [20:11:48] | dustybin: | microsoft is one big hole, avoid |
| [20:12:14] | dustybin: | if you cant see the code, dont trust it |
| [20:12:29] | dustybin: | its like buying a car and your not allowed to see the engine |
| [20:12:34] | justinh: | dustybin: sorry, but put $user in front of linux & once they get over the novelty of web browsing & try to install a game or something. Nul points ;) |
| [20:12:49] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: do you know how to tune an EFI engine? |
| [20:12:55] | wagnerrp: | do you have the tools to do so? |
| [20:12:58] | justinh: | dustybin: what, like modern cars you mean? |
| [20:13:01] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: thats true |
| [20:13:35] | gbee: | linux is just stress free in that regard and another benefit is that I can more easily avoid installing lots of crap – e.g. Realplayer, Acrobat and their associated clutter |
| [20:13:39] | justinh: | oh you want to open the bonnet? I'm sorry, dealers only |
| [20:14:02] | Dagmar: | I'm driving a 125cc scooter now. |
| [20:14:07] | gbee: | but I'm not trying to sell people on linux, you either see a benefit or you don't |
| [20:14:13] | Dagmar: | Not only can I work on the engine, I can actually *lift* it. |
| [20:14:35] | Dagmar: | exit |
| [20:14:37] | Dagmar: | !#$@! |
| [20:14:47] | justinh: | gbee: I know all the arguments, but exciting stuff like AV production just isn't happening on OSS |
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| [20:15:40] | laga: | gbee: you *can* install acrobat reader and realplayer on linux :) |
| [20:16:03] | gbee: | justinh: sure, there are some areas where linux just isn't the answer, I'm just lucky enough that it is and from experience that's true for the _average_ user too |
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| [20:17:40] | Aspa: | finaly i got mythtv running on my pvr350 with the framebuffer. :) |
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| [20:18:01] | gbee: | laga: yes, you can, but you've got more choice if you don't want to – I'm sure if you search hard enough that choice exists on Windows, but it's not as easy to find/install alternatives as it would be through a package manager in linux |
| [20:18:17] | laga: | justinh: haha. i'm now using the zoom mode in xine to emulate "adjust fill" ;) |
| [20:18:30] | gbee: | Acrobat on linux weighs in at something like 150Mb? Compared to ghostview or one of other the pdf viewers which is ~ 2Mb |
| [20:18:39] | laga: | too bad it's now bound to the keys 3 and 9 ;) |
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| [20:18:56] | laga: | gbee: true, i try hard not to use proprietary software |
| [20:19:09] | wagnerrp: | ghostview opens pdfs? ive only used it for postscript files |
| [20:20:00] | iamlindoro_: | PDF is more or less PS with some extra gunk |
| [20:20:00] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: ghostscript understands pdf's at least, not sure if gv does. |
| [20:20:09] | gbee: | might be confusing ghostview with something else, although I thought ghostview did open pdfs, iirc one of the two KDE pdf viewers uses it as a backend |
| [20:20:21] | laga: | kghostview |
| [20:20:22] | clever: | AndyCap: i tend to use evince for pdf viewing |
| [20:20:25] | iamlindoro_: | and yeah, last I checked it would open PDF |
| [20:20:25] | laga: | which never worked for me. |
| [20:20:35] | gbee: | kpdf is better iirc |
| [20:20:39] | ** AndyCap uses xpdf since evince still is full of fail ** | |
| [20:20:42] | laga: | yes, but it is missing one feature |
| [20:20:43] | ** sphery wants them to complete their move to Poppler ** | |
| [20:20:48] | Aspa: | When I change channels I can't read the bottom text..b ig logo's .. OSD sames to be to big.. where can i change that? |
| [20:20:51] | justinh: | I use foxviewer on non-linux boxes :) |
| [20:20:53] | laga: | something minor like "search backwards" AFAIK |
| [20:20:54] | clever: | AndyCap: how does it fail? |
| [20:21:05] | AndyCap: | I don't understand why evince has so much fail since poppler is descended from xpdf |
| [20:21:15] | AndyCap: | clever: text and other objects don't render. |
| [20:21:23] | AndyCap: | clever: not all pdfs but some |
| [20:21:25] | clever: | AndyCap: they seem to render just fine for all my stuff |
| [20:21:27] | clever: | ah |
| [20:21:29] | sphery: | Aspa: sounds like you're using a theme like Metallurgy on a too-old system (i.e. pre 0.21, perhaps, IIRC) |
| [20:21:30] | justinh: | logo's what? who is logo? |
| [20:21:40] | clever: | the only time ive had pdf problems was a pdf viewer on my PDA |
| [20:21:51] | Aspa: | channel logo.. |
| [20:21:56] | clever: | the thing bearly has enough ram so i have to disable optional parts of the rendering |
| [20:22:21] | sphery: | AndyCap: they're having to pretty much rewrite the xpdf code because it was designed for a very different purpose. |
| [20:23:02] | sphery: | and, yeah, gv does PDF fine |
| [20:23:13] | Aspa: | sphery: let me try another theme.. thanks.. i'll try. |
| [20:23:27] | sphery: | Aspa: details of theme and version would tell us for sure if that's the issue |
| [20:23:34] | justinh: | Aspa: just another OSD theme. no need to resort to junking the whole thing |
| [20:23:44] | gbee: | how dare you speak ill of Metallurgy! :) |
| [20:23:56] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [20:24:23] | justinh: | it was probably mepo's fault anyway |
| [20:24:24] | sphery: | I'm just speaking of Metallurgy's use of (IIRC) a >640x480 OSD base res |
| [20:24:36] | justinh: | sphery: and now, glass-wide :) |
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| [20:24:40] | ** gbee can't multi-task IRC, by the time I've read and replied the conversation has moved on ** | |
| [20:24:41] | AndyCap: | Metallurgy enables Cannon! |
| [20:24:56] | gbee: | sphery: yeah, just a poor joke on my behalf |
| [20:25:25] | sphery: | justinh: I've heard. It sounded like it's 0.21-fixes-ready, right? (Doesn't require trunk?) |
| [20:25:47] | justinh: | sphery: doesn't work in trunk well AFAIK – well some mythui bits might break it |
| [20:26:04] | sphery: | sweet, since I've got -fixes on my production boxes :) |
| [20:26:14] | justinh: | and for that I don't care. it probably won't be dragged up to mythui with any of the others either |
| [20:26:16] | gbee: | osd should work, some of the plugins might cause trouble, but that's all at the moment |
| [20:26:49] | justinh: | then again, I still rather like glass-wide – it's been in use for ages now – longer than any other theme |
| [20:26:52] | sphery: | I wouldn't blame any themers for dropping their pre-mythui themes once mythui finishes blooming... :) |
| [20:28:28] | sphery: | I was using an older Metallurgy (before the Ubuntu fixes you made) and had to change them so I could use MythControls. It reminded me I need to get the updated-for-Ubuntu-release versions and switch, again. |
| [20:28:29] | justinh: | if anybody makes it through the other side ;) |
| [20:28:38] | sphery: | I've been bouncing between glass-wide, neon-wide, and metallurgy |
| [20:28:54] | dustybin: | justinh: the original arcade machines used CRT Televisions what were fed a RGB signal, very similar to my setup now |
| [20:29:24] | abqjp: | newegg has the 1.5tb drives back in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337 |
| [20:29:31] | justinh: | monitors actually. not televisions |
| [20:29:52] | dustybin: | yep |
| [20:30:05] | Aspa: | hmm didn't work... when i choose playback PVR350 framebuffer it is to big, when i don't it is ok/ |
| [20:30:13] | justinh: | mount yer telly on a gimbal for that portrait mode game! |
| [20:30:38] | dustybin: | Encoding: task 2 of 2, 98.37 % (16.39 fps, avg 15.71 fps, ETA 00h02m35s)[[B |
| [20:30:39] | AndyCap: | Aspa: junk the output and use a regular tv out instead? |
| [20:30:42] | dustybin: | at last |
| [20:31:03] | Aspa: | AndyCap: naah.. i got it up and runnig now. |
| [20:31:28] | Aspa: | AndyCap: and it was ok before.. it is just some resolution setting. |
| [20:32:09] | Aspa: | It took me a week to find out how to get the stuff running on opensuse 11.0.. lol |
| [20:32:30] | sphery: | abqjp: are you getting 10 of those for your new mobo/case? :) |
| [20:32:33] | justinh: | oh chuckle. opensuse. to each their own etc etc |
| [20:33:18] | abqjp: | :-p |
| [20:33:27] | abqjp: | Actually I am waiting for the es.2 version. |
| [20:37:35] | dustybin: | bloody heck, the ripped mp4s look terrible in mythvideo |
| [20:37:46] | dustybin: | serious sync problems |
| [20:37:53] | dustybin: | they look perfect on my macbook pro |
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| [20:45:02] | justinh: | heh. I hear the BBC won't be using EPIAs to generate the pips anymore :D |
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| [20:51:31] | octavsly: | anyone has experience with HVR1110 Hauppauge? |
| [20:51:59] | octavsly: | I have it installed but I have an anaolgue <-> DVB-T conflict |
| [20:52:04] | sphery: | octavsly: There's a setting, "Open DVB card on demand" that you should probably try. Otherwise, your best bet is to find HVR1110-knowledgeable people. :) |
| [20:52:14] | octavsly: | Yes I did that |
| [20:52:30] | sphery: | ok, good luck with the rest, then |
| [20:52:32] | laga: | for some reason, i can't find the postprocessing options in xine :/ |
| [20:52:36] | octavsly: | without that option it does not work at all |
| [20:52:41] | octavsly: | since the DVB ios laways active |
| [20:53:06] | justinh: | ahh the perils of hybrid tuners.. or rather the curses of them |
| [20:53:21] | octavsly: | however since the "two" mythtv cards are independedt mythtv will start scanning on DVB-T whiel watching the anlogue |
| [20:53:30] | sphery: | laga: they should just be under the right-click menu as Video or Audio, then PostProcess, then Chain Reaction... |
| [20:53:57] | justinh: | octavsly: and therein lies the problem with such devices.. only one part can be used at a time |
| [20:54:01] | sphery: | laga: note that it seems most distros don't compile the audio postprocessing stuff (which includes timestretch), but I don't know why that is. |
| [20:54:14] | octavsly: | Yes but ther are cheeper this way |
| [20:54:21] | octavsly: | otherwise I need to buy too cards |
| [20:54:24] | octavsly: | :-( |
| [20:54:50] | sphery: | sounds like you might /still/ need to buy two cards... |
| [20:55:19] | sphery: | could input groups help? (I don't know input groups, so that's just a wild guess.) |
| [20:55:29] | octavsly: | I had plenty of issues till know. stuttering audia due to saa7134_alsa module which somehow are fixed in 2.6.27in |
| [20:55:32] | laga: | sphery: ah. i'll take a look |
| [20:55:36] | octavsly: | thanks |
| [20:55:44] | octavsly: | how can I group the inputs |
| [20:55:49] | octavsly: | I am using 0.20.2 |
| [20:55:57] | ** sphery wonders if Ubuntu will finally get audio postprocessing for xine, now... :) ** | |
| [20:56:28] | laga: | sphery: i dont care much about audio postprocessing.. unless the time stretching feature works like in myth |
| [20:56:36] | sphery: | octavsly: you need 0.21+ for input groups |
| [20:56:56] | sphery: | laga: yep (though, actually, it works like 1/myth :) |
| [20:57:31] | laga: | sphery: ah, so the values are inverted? |
| [20:57:49] | sphery: | it's backwards. You specify a "factor" for the timestretch, so 0.8 = 1.25x, 0.6666667 =~ 1.5x, etc. |
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| [20:58:15] | laga: | every time the xine config dialog windows go bonkers, essentially preventing me from doing anything useful with X, i wanna kill someone. |
| [20:58:29] | sphery: | At 0.8 factor, your show plays in 0.8 times its running time |
| [20:59:19] | sphery: | I think I had that problem with an old (Hoary?) Ubuntu I used on my laptop for a while... I think I also figured it out. Unfortunately, I don't remember how. |
| [20:59:21] | octavsly: | sphery: thanks for the input. So thr groups will make the two cards mutualy exclusive. CAn I have mythtv 0.21 and the rest of plugins 0.20.2? |
| [20:59:37] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [20:59:38] | laga: | sphery: i'm on hardy and i get it occasionally. it's rather annoying. |
| [20:59:38] | sphery: | octavsly: nope, you have to upgrade everything |
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| [20:59:58] | laga: | i even killed xine and X is still frozen. odd. |
| [21:00:00] | octavsly: | sphery: thanks |
| [21:00:40] | justinh: | OMG OMG OMG OMG |
| [21:00:53] | laga: | my are we feeling segfaulty tonight |
| [21:01:38] | justinh: | gbee: wifey is watching Lost In Austen, finding it hard to follow some of the dialogue (methinks usual crap ITV audio production) .. but get this.. with subtitles on, the ad breaks have a white square on screen :-O |
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| [21:02:08] | justinh: | when the title bumper comes up, the subtitle field shows a white square |
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| [21:02:24] | gbee: | interesting ... |
| [21:02:25] | sphery: | I wonder if the fix was as simple as an NVIDIA driver upgrade... Or perhaps installing the driver outside of the package manager... |
| [21:02:45] | justinh: | I'll try to get a screenshot |
| [21:02:46] | gbee: | justinh: record some more ITV stuff, see if it's a trend or just a one off? |
| [21:03:00] | justinh: | gbee: our most recorded channel is ITV :-\ |
| [21:03:02] | sphery: | justinh: white square is almost definitely a \u000a (LF char) |
| [21:03:02] | justinh: | ;) |
| [21:03:18] | gbee: | might depend on the subtitle production company, there are a few different firms |
| [21:03:21] | justinh: | sphery: it's an mpeg stream ;) |
| [21:03:33] | sphery: | but in subtitles, right? |
| [21:03:37] | gbee: | sphery: it's an image, not text rendered to image by Myth |
| [21:03:55] | justinh: | dvb subtitles are like dvd subtitles |
| [21:03:56] | gbee: | DVB subtitles are images (looks better if you ask me) |
| [21:03:59] | dustybin: | ive just added 18gigs of mame roms, but mythgame cannot search by letters, i have to scroll right through :-( |
| [21:04:15] | clever: | dustybin: ouch! |
| [21:04:23] | sphery: | but if the source had a \n, then the subtitle-er may have drawn that char (which has no glyph, so you get the no glyph symbol) to the stream |
| [21:04:25] | clever: | dustybin: have you tried the 1–9 scrolling keys? |
| [21:04:38] | sphery: | not saying you could fix it, just that there are a lot of broken caption/subtitle streams out there |
| [21:04:43] | gbee: | sphery: aye, that's probably the root cause |
| [21:04:55] | justinh: | if this can be used for commflagging, not only would it be virtually flawless, but it'd be the only reason in the world to keep subtitle streams on my box! |
| [21:05:15] | dustybin: | clever: 1–9 doesnt do anything |
| [21:05:33] | clever: | dustybin: ah:(, in most lists it jumps to a point like 10% 20% ... |
| [21:05:44] | sphery: | I watch most all of my TV with subtitles/captions |
| [21:06:02] | sphery: | too many mumbling actors here in the US |
| [21:06:10] | clever: | i tend to use subtitles when the audio is poor but the subs crack my ivtv so i have them off |
| [21:06:14] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:06:14] | dustybin: | clever: i found a key on my remote, fast forward and reverse! |
| [21:06:24] | clever: | lol! |
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| [21:06:44] | laga: | both at the same time? |
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| [21:09:59] | octavsly: | sphery: do you know more about these groups. I see only storage groups. in the intsallation manual |
| [21:12:45] | sphery: | octavsly: they're configured in mythtv-setup, but in either the Capture Cards or Input Connections sections |
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| [21:12:56] | sphery: | that's pretty much all I've got, though (as I don't need them) |
| [21:13:17] | laga: | sphery: xine makes me cry. |
| [21:13:43] | laga: | sphery: it just did the "freeze X" thing three times in a row :/ |
| [21:13:57] | sphery: | wow |
| [21:14:23] | laga: | sphery: and of course, the settings won't stick. |
| [21:14:32] | sphery: | I really wish I could remember how I fixed it. |
| [21:14:38] | gbee: | I'll use subtitles when I'm distracted, easier to glance at the screen to catch the subtitles than pay attention to the audio – but there are some programmes or films with their share of _really_ poor audio levels/mixing etc |
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| [21:15:35] | sphery: | yeah, and with the "we expect world + dog to have 5.1-surround" mixing in HDTV, those of us with 2-speaker stereo (and no center) often get horrible levels for dialog |
| [21:16:01] | gbee: | one or two recent films, watched pay-per-view, I was lucky if I heard one word in ten, music/background and sound effects trappled right over the dialogue |
| [21:16:44] | laga: | i'd blame low ac3 levels on myth ;) |
| [21:17:07] | justinh: | gbee: emmerdale doesn't. coronation st does. secret diary of a callgirl does.. The Children does.. looks like a trend :) |
| [21:17:10] | sphery: | laga: have you tried any other xine UI's? (I'd bet aaxine wouldn't freeze X--other than the 100% CPU thing :) |
| [21:17:27] | gbee: | justinh: get coding then ;) |
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| [21:18:43] | octavsly: | sphery: thanks again for your input I have now lunched the 0.21 compilation . I hope it will go OK |
| [21:18:44] | sphery: | according to janneg Myth is currently increasing levels of AC-3 too much after downmixing (since we have a patch to "normalize" it to the same volume as with non-AC-3) |
| [21:18:52] | sphery: | octavsly: gl |
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| [21:19:36] | justinh: | well, anyway.. bedtime I think. been a rollercoaster kind of day |
| [21:19:54] | justinh: | maybe I'll do more research on the subtitle square tomorrow |
| [21:19:55] | sphery: | laga: I think the right solution is for Ubuntu to put some devs on making a replacement for xine's xitk :) |
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| [21:21:04] | laga: | sphery: na, gxine. ;) |
| [21:21:14] | gbee: | justinh: make a note of it somewhere, shouldn't be hard for someone with the right knowledge/experience to create a comflagging rule which uses DVB subtitles, if my hands weren't already full then I'd be prepared to take a look |
| [21:22:02] | sphery: | Guess that works well for you Ubuntu folk with your GNOME. Too bad as I really would love for something better (and it wouldn't take much) to replace xitk. |
| [21:22:38] | laga: | i'm using kde.. |
| [21:22:53] | sphery: | (If you do get the menus working and you enable timestretch, wait until you try to change the factor--you have to type in a value and hit Enter to submit it. If you click the OK button on the chain reaction dialog, it doesn't take. :) |
| [21:23:08] | laga: | :/ |
| [21:23:28] | sphery: | And it displays it as 8.0000000e-1 instead of 0.8 |
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| [21:24:21] | laga: | technically that's correct ;) |
| [21:25:20] | sphery: | true, but--oh, yeah, and also, you can't select the value with a mouse and then overtype it, you have to click in the field and use backspace/delete--it's annoying to change it because it's so long |
| [21:25:49] | sphery: | xitk must die! |
| [21:25:56] | laga: | yeah.. |
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| [21:28:22] | chrisbrl88: | I can't seem to get mythtv past the initial backend setup |
| [21:28:34] | chrisbrl88: | it says it can't access the database |
| [21:29:00] | sphery: | you're running mythtv-setup, right? |
| [21:29:28] | chrisbrl88: | yes |
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| [21:29:48] | chrisbrl88: | ah – give me a second... when I got frustrated I removed it |
| [21:29:50] | sphery: | and you specified the proper host/username/password for the DB when it started? |
| [21:29:58] | chrisbrl88: | I have to go back into synaptic and get mysql and mythtv again |
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| [21:31:35] | BarryMead: | When using Schedules Direct to download "Digital TV" channels the channel numbers have a format like "10–1", and the |
| [21:32:15] | sphery: | channel numbers aren't used to associate listings data with channels |
| [21:32:17] | sphery: | xmltvid is |
| [21:32:27] | ** sphery assumes that's where you were going ** | |
| [21:32:37] | BarryMead: | remote control for these digital tuners has a format like "10.1". I can't get mythtv to access the schedules direct channels with the dash in them how do I do this? |
| [21:33:19] | BarryMead: | The fetch lineup doesn't find any channels and mythfilldatabase doesn't work. |
| [21:33:19] | sphery: | Either a) change the channel number in myth using mythtv-setup or MythWeb channel editor |
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| [21:33:49] | BarryMead: | How about makeing schedules direct match it? |
| [21:34:18] | sphery: | or b) have your external channel change script (which I'm assuming you're using because of your saying, "remote control for these digital tuners has a format like '10.1'") convert the '-' that Myth gives it to a '.' |
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| [21:35:05] | BarryMead: | Yes I have an external channel change command, but How do I get the mythtv database to accept what comes from Schedules Direct? |
| [21:35:13] | sphery: | or c) enable a LIRC definition for '-' that sends the '.' instead |
| [21:35:43] | BarryMead: | I know all of that, but How do I get anything from schedules direct to go into mythtv and its database? |
| [21:36:00] | sphery: | 09.17 17:32:14 < sphery> channel numbers aren't used to associate listings data with channels |
| [21:36:03] | sphery: | 09.17 17:32:16 < sphery> xmltvid is |
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| [21:36:39] | sphery: | so, if you're using an ATSC card, scan, fix xmltvid, then run mythfilldatabase |
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| [21:36:45] | chrisbrl88: | ok its in the configuration wizard now? |
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| [21:37:07] | sphery: | or if you're using a PVR-x50 with a digital tuner box and LIRC, don't ever scan and use Fetch channels... |
| [21:37:11] | BarryMead: | Is xmltvid a perl script? |
| [21:37:21] | sphery: | see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [21:37:33] | BarryMead: | I will thanks! |
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| [21:42:08] | chrisbrl88: | ok... it says "NoUPnP backends found" |
| [21:42:10] | BarryMead: | sphery – I tried the fetch channels from mythtv-setup without the scan (I have a pvr-250 and am taking the output of my digital-tv antenna convert box into the channel 4 input of my pvr-250, so I don't want to do a conventional channel scan as I only use channel 4. But when I did the Fetch channels nothing fetched? I assumed that the digital channels from schedules direct witht he channel numbers of the form 10–2 caused mythtv to |
| [21:42:10] | BarryMead: | "Fetch Channels" operation. |
| [21:42:14] | chrisbrl88: | not sure what that means |
| [21:43:44] | chrisbrl88: | now it says "Cannot login to database?" |
| [21:43:49] | Dagmar: | It means you're not following the installation instructions. |
| [21:43:50] | chrisbrl88: | this is the same error I keep running in to |
| [21:44:06] | sphery: | BarryMead: missed everthing from "mythtv to" to "'Fetch Channels' operation" (IRC limited line length) |
| [21:44:13] | chrisbrl88: | what installation instructions? I never got any |
| [21:44:21] | chrisbrl88: | I got the package and the dependencies from synaptic |
| [21:44:28] | Dagmar: | chrisbrl88: Then you must be using the wrong project because they're sure as hell up at www.mythtv.org |
| [21:44:39] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs |
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| [21:44:51] | directhex: | #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [21:45:37] | sphery: | that's probably the quicker approach (because they know which parts are done for you by *buntu) |
| [21:45:39] | BarryMead: | sphery – I am still reading the links you sent me. They may solve my problem. I used to use mythtv with my cable tv converer box, and today I decided to ditch cable and go with over-the-air-free Digital TV. Mythtv has always worked. |
| [21:45:56] | sphery: | OTA ftw! |
| [21:46:16] | BarryMead: | I figured all it would take is for me to redefine my schedules direct lineup, and reprogram my lirc to talk to the new digital tuner, but it seems to be more complex than that. |
| [21:46:35] | sphery: | BarryMead: If the capture card is digital, mythfilldatabase won't add channels unless you force it to (see --help output). However, since you're using a PVR-x50, it should "just work." |
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| [21:47:05] | sphery: | I'm 99.999999999999999% positive that it's not using the listings-provider's version of whether it's a digital or analog channel to decide whether to add it. |
| [21:47:39] | BarryMead: | sphery Mythtv works and I see and hear video/audio, I am just trying to get the schedules, and linups to download. |
| [21:47:48] | sphery: | If it is, you may want to send an e-mail to the mythtv-users mailing list and mention the confusion that will cause in the near future for the $40 digital TV coupon crowd |
| [21:47:52] | kormoc: | Aye, I can add digital channels via SD and they'll auto add to my box later |
| [21:48:19] | sphery: | kormoc: you're using an analog card to get them, right? |
| [21:48:32] | kormoc: | infact, it's annyoing, as when new channels are added, they go in as checked and thus I get a bunch of bad recordings as my pvr 150 can't get them |
| [21:48:34] | kormoc: | aye, I am |
| [21:48:42] | BarryMead: | sphery I bought the $50. box with a $40. coupon, so whatever I find out I will pass on. |
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| [21:49:15] | sphery: | kormoc: put --remove-new-channels in your mythfilldatabase args setting |
| [21:49:27] | sphery: | and, thanks for confirming my understanding. |
| [21:49:48] | kormoc: | sphery, WHEE! Thanks much! |
| [21:50:08] | sphery: | BarryMead: sounds like it should just work with a PVR-x50. I think you just need to follow the instructions in my post to the list and the wiki pages it links to |
| [21:51:33] | sphery: | kormoc: I added that one specifically because I had DISH and they were adding all sorts of local channels and they'd go into the Myth box and then I'd try to record some show from a channel I can't get. Used to add local channels (with basically the same primetime lineup as mine) about 2–3 times per week. |
| [21:51:57] | kormoc: | sphery, Yeah, I have Dish, and it's at least once a week they add something I don't have |
| [21:52:18] | sphery: | Note that danielk did the heavy lifting, though. He made the whole framework that allowed me to add the new arg with only about 10 lines of code. :) |
| [21:53:25] | kormoc: | Heh, snazzy :) |
| [21:53:45] | kormoc: | I love open source |
| [21:54:03] | kormoc: | I have an issue and I'm too lazy to solve it myself... Yay! Someone else fixed it for me! Whee! :) |
| [21:54:11] | sphery: | yeah. coding on the shoulders of giants. :) |
| [21:54:25] | sphery: | or, that, too |
| [21:54:38] | kormoc: | One of these days I'll have time to actually start real coding |
| [21:54:42] | sphery: | At least with open source, you have the option to fix it if it bothers you enough |
| [21:54:48] | kormoc: | I have a nice list of stuff I want to do |
| [21:55:34] | sphery: | I /hate/ helping someone with a Windows box. I nearly always end up eventually saying, "Well, you can't do that because it doesn't currently work. Maybe one day they'll fix it, but until then, you'll have to do things this way." |
| [21:55:34] | gbee: | kormoc: you might not entirely hate the idea I was playing with earlier then – moving mythweb into the backend removing the webserver/php dependancy :) |
| [21:55:49] | sphery: | I love that idea. |
| [21:56:05] | sphery: | (Though I'd hate to rewrite all that PHP. :) |
| [21:56:25] | kormoc: | gbee, Heh, It's such a mixed bag, So much easier to add a lot of the web 2.0 stuff in php, awesome to share the actual c++ oo stuff |
| [21:56:28] | gbee: | it's just an idea right now, something I'd love to do when I put mythui and my other projects behind me |
| [21:56:46] | ** Dagmar looks nauseous ** | |
| [21:56:55] | jams: | gbee looks like Hannu is going to close 4front |
| [21:57:04] | Dagmar: | PHP is bad, but that's no reason to convert perfectly innocent code to C++ |
| [21:57:32] | kormoc: | I wonder if a php <-> c++ bridge is out there, that would be interesting... |
| [21:57:39] | sphery: | Get the DB inside the backend(s) (so people can't complain that it's not Postgres) and get rid of the need to run Apache on the Myth box (with some nice multi-backend-without-network-mounts-aware web serving) |
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| [21:57:57] | jams: | close is the wrong word, but in his blog he said we is going to look for other work. |
| [21:57:59] | gbee: | I actually like PHP, the idea has nothing to do with a predjudice against php but about simplfying setup, removing a couple of large deps etc |
| [21:58:02] | sphery: | jams: 4front as in OSS? |
| [21:58:14] | jams: | sphery- yes |
| [21:58:24] | sphery: | But what of OSS4? |
| [21:58:25] | kormoc: | gbee, well, we do support lighttp iirc |
| [21:58:27] | gbee: | jams: throwing it all GPL then? |
| [21:58:38] | jams: | oss will be a spare time project. |
| [21:58:52] | jams: | sphery- i don't know, the blog entry didn't say anything lke that |
| [21:59:12] | sphery: | Cool. I want to see kernel-OSS-like-garbage gone and OSS4 to become the preferred audio system for Linux. |
| [21:59:23] | jams: | sphery- same here |
| [21:59:36] | gbee: | kormoc: sure, but that's still a dependancy – wouldn't it be great if you got mythweb instantly, out of the box with mythbackend? We've already got the http server capability – half of mythweb is now served indirectly from the backend anyway |
| [21:59:38] | Dagmar: | Okay. 'F' cygwin with 40-foot high letters |
| [22:00:01] | sphery: | are there any embedded webservers that we could use (like an embedded MySQL)? |
| [22:00:15] | Dagmar: | Someone should slap the crap out of the people behind Perl's Net::SSH modules. Net::SSH2 included |
| [22:00:26] | BarryMead: | sphery – I think I have part of it figured out. I manually edit the XMLTV-ID values that I get by hovering over the schedules direct lineup, then will mythtfilldatabase find everythin? |
| [22:00:30] | sphery: | that wasn't supposed to read like I think that embedded MySQL is a webserver, but I think you can figure it out... |
| [22:00:32] | kormoc: | gbee, actually, a fair bit is pure db access sadly |
| [22:00:52] | kormoc: | sphery, sadly not |
| [22:01:20] | sphery: | BarryMead: In theory, you shouldn't have anything that needs editing, because you've never done a channel scan (Delete all video sources...) so there are no channels in the DB. |
| [22:01:40] | sphery: | Then, you click the Fetch channels button to get all your channels. |
| [22:01:55] | gbee: | kormoc: oh I know that there is a bunch which comes through the DB, I've played with mythweb before now |
| [22:02:03] | sphery: | BarryMead: Again, above I didn't see the middle part of the message. Did you paste an error message in there? |
| [22:02:26] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: whats broken with that? |
| [22:02:45] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: Just about everything that possibly can be |
| [22:03:01] | Dagmar: | For one, I've been sitting here watching CPAN chew on dependencies for the last three hours. |
| [22:03:02] | kormoc: | gbee, I wouldn't put it at 50% from the BE, sadly the BE is fairly slow compared to DB direct |
| [22:03:19] | kormoc: | I hate CPAN for the record |
| [22:03:23] | gbee: | sphery: not sure we need the full power of a full, or even lightweight webserver – the advantage of those is mainly the ability to serve multiple clients simultaneously which isn't what mythweb requires |
| [22:03:35] | Dagmar: | AndyCap: I was trying tpull somethig from CPAN in to save me the trouble of coding an openssh wrapper function. |
| [22:03:40] | Dagmar: | EPIC FAIL. |
| [22:03:51] | Dagmar: | I might as well just write one myself now. |
| [22:04:11] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, I was just thinking of it as a quick way of getting an Apache-less install but without rewriting PHP->C++/Qt |
| [22:04:21] | kormoc: | gbee, I wouldn't say that. I already run a webserver, so I'll have to do a bit of weird proxy (mod_proxy) to setup to point to a BE done mythweb |
| [22:04:30] | BarryMead: | sphery – No error message. I am putting in the xmltv-id numbers now in the channel editor. |
| [22:04:31] | Dagmar: | It doesn't help that I'm trying to use this to connect to embedded devices over ssh, and WAY too much of this crap is assuming you can invoke a custom process on the other end. |
| [22:04:37] | kormoc: | gbee, and also having the web interface not bind the backend is handy too |
| [22:04:40] | gbee: | kormoc: half might have been an exaggeration then, either way it wouldn't change much in an embedded version – it would _all_ be db access in that case |
| [22:04:56] | sphery: | kormoc: I already mod_proxy from my external apache to my mythweb apache |
| [22:05:02] | sphery: | (works great, btw) |
| [22:05:29] | kormoc: | gbee, what's the point then? If you're doing direct DB in the c++, you don't get the benefits of shared code and the like, seems silly |
| [22:05:29] | Dagmar: | kormoc: On a "real" unix machine, CPAN is just fine. |
| [22:05:59] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Under Cygwin, all those Win32 idicyncracies combine to form a giant city-eating monster |
| [22:06:07] | sphery: | kormoc: but it's shared by the frontend/backend/mythweb/... |
| [22:06:32] | AndyCap: | ouch cygwin. |
| [22:06:38] | kormoc: | Dagmar, on my linux box, it's nasty. Can't install crap sadly |
| [22:06:42] | gbee: | kormoc: what I mean is that at some point it's all loaded from the database, we might re-use existing code but that code accesses the database on our behalf |
| [22:07:17] | kormoc: | right, so shared object/classes then |
| [22:07:28] | dustybin: | how many frames per second does 50hz PAL & 720x576 run at? |
| [22:07:33] | dustybin: | interlaced |
| [22:07:34] | kormoc: | I'm likely too busy to really pay attention |
| [22:07:38] | kormoc: | dustybin, 50 |
| [22:07:47] | dustybin: | kormoc: even interlaced? |
| [22:07:50] | gbee: | kormoc: threading or even spawning a satellite app to handle it would avoid binding the backend – unless you are refering to exceeding the limits of the hardware, where having the webserver on another machine would help |
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| [22:08:17] | dustybin: | i thought it would be 25FPS if its interlaced |
| [22:08:42] | kormoc: | dustybin, no, just means the frame is half the size |
| [22:08:57] | dustybin: | right ok thanks |
| [22:09:02] | Dagmar: | If you need another machine to handle your webserver when it's only serving 2–3 people at once, YOUR CODE IS BROKEN. |
| [22:09:05] | AndyCap: | dustybin: depends how you define frames. |
| [22:09:12] | dustybin: | kormoc: so if i run a mame game, i should make sure the game runs at 50fps the same as my TV |
| [22:09:20] | kormoc: | gbee, well, it's more when I crash apache/php, I can just restart it without restarting myth backend |
| [22:09:34] | kormoc: | dustybin, I would say so |
| [22:09:44] | gbee: | kormoc: yeah, we'd make full use of existing classes to reduce the code, I've even thought, for a couple of minutes, about rendering mythui themes as html – frontend as a webpage ;) (but that's just a fanciful idea right now) |
| [22:09:44] | kormoc: | Dagmar, ffmpeg encoding! |
| [22:09:56] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [22:10:14] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Who in their right mind would have that running as anything other than a background task |
| [22:10:14] | AndyCap: | dustybin: I suspect if you wanted that right you would have to have mame set a 50hz interlaced videomode. :) |
| [22:10:26] | dustybin: | eek |
| [22:10:37] | kormoc: | Dagmar, mythweb flash video streaming |
| [22:10:58] | kormoc: | sadly it's on demand right now |
| [22:11:01] | gbee: | kormoc: well I would expect the backend embedded webserver won't crash :D putting the mythweb stuff in the backend shouldn't make it any less stable assuming the code is well written |
| [22:11:31] | Dagmar: | kormoc: If someone wants to port something, adding a hook so that the CGI could call the backend and the backend could manage the transcode... THAT would be something useful |
| [22:11:34] | gbee: | tis just an idea I had tis all, if it happens then it probably won't be before 0.23 |
| [22:11:38] | Dagmar: | It would give you a chance to be able to skip around in the media |
| [22:11:40] | kormoc: | gbee, well, most of the time I kill it with a recursive loop in the object stack somehow, so yeah, it wouldn't really go ot the user |
| [22:12:04] | kormoc: | Dagmar, that's the eventual idea, but for now... |
| [22:12:05] | gbee: | and nothing prevents the php mythweb from being used instead or alongside a builtin one |
| [22:12:26] | Dagmar: | I'll go along with whomever implements non-idempotent GETs |
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| [22:13:31] | ** jams points to gbee's current todo list. ** | |
| [22:14:17] | sphery: | lol |
| [22:14:33] | gbee: | jams, the end of that list probably reaches to just about 2 blocks from where you live – so if you want to add things then it should be pretty convenient |
| [22:14:33] | sphery: | at least he's getting paid well for all the work he does for us |
| [22:15:02] | jams: | hehe |
| [22:15:15] | sphery: | (payment in the form of complaints and lack of appreciation, of course) |
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| [22:16:17] | gbee: | heh, it's not that bad, really ;) |
| [22:16:52] | gbee: | if I'm ever in a position to collect on promises, then I could open a brewery ... |
| [22:17:55] | gbee: | either that or die of alcohol poisoning ... |
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| [22:33:51] | BarryMead: | sphery – Thanks everything works great now. After I put in the xmltv-id codes for the channels mythfilldatabase grabs the schedules perfect! |
| [22:34:56] | sphery: | glad its working |
| [22:35:16] | BarryMead: | Now all I have to do is use the lirc learning program to get the codes for my new remote and I am done. |
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| [22:39:40] | whodat: | what would cause my pvr500 to grab video2/video3 on some bootups and video1/video2 on others? i keep having to change the capture card settings in mythtv-setup because of this.. |
| [22:39:57] | clever: | id say you didnt configure udev properly |
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| [22:40:21] | whodat: | why do you think i configured udev? ;) |
| [22:40:30] | clever: | then its still at defaults:P |
| [22:40:40] | clever: | which wont work well when using identical cards |
| [22:40:46] | whodat: | i put in a line to move my webcam to /dev/video4 |
| [22:40:58] | whodat: | but nothing for the pvr500 |
| [22:41:06] | clever: | but the 1 pvr150 cards are still moving arround |
| [22:41:10] | clever: | 2 pvr150's |
| [22:41:24] | clever: | (the 500 is a pair of 150's on a pci bus on the same card) |
| [22:41:41] | whodat: | so its a good idea to do a custom udev for a pvr500 your saying? |
| [22:41:52] | clever: | yep |
| [22:42:09] | whodat: | would you happen to know the udev line for it so i dont have to figure out the parms? |
| [22:42:09] | clever: | probly based on the pci busid |
| [22:42:20] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [22:42:20] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [22:42:21] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [22:42:28] | Dagmar: | Don't listen to clever on this. |
| [22:42:31] | clever: | i'll stfu since an expert seems to have shown up |
| [22:42:33] | Dagmar: | That way lies madness |
| [22:42:34] | whodat: | uhmm. okay ;) |
| [22:42:56] | clever: | ive done similar with usb webcams based on the brand name, but that wont be posible with a pvr500 |
| [22:43:02] | whodat: | it sounded like a grand idea, clever ;) |
| [22:43:03] | Dagmar: | Go talk to the people who manage your distribution about what might be making udev assign a single tuner card to different device names each time, because they have a bug. |
| [22:43:17] | Dagmar: | "Writing a custom udev rule" is *not* the correct solution. |
| [22:43:41] | whodat: | its the quickest solution without bothering distro ppl that dont wanna deal with me ;) |
| [22:43:54] | Dagmar: | A bug like this they will want to know about. |
| [22:44:25] | clever: | ubuntu has somehow solved it for network cards |
| [22:44:26] | Dagmar: | It's not something that should *ever* happen unless you have multiple video devices (and a PVR-500's two tuners doesn't count because they come together or not at all) |
| [22:44:32] | clever: | it somehow gives a static ethX name to the card |
| [22:44:39] | clever: | and never releases the name to anything else |
| [22:44:46] | whodat: | its ubuntu for cripe sake.. i am sure there are other ubuntu users with pvr500's.. it must be something with my setup. |
| [22:44:52] | clever: | so after 5 using 5 cards, your only card may be stuck at eth6 |
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| [22:44:54] | Dagmar: | clever: Yes, and that's not a "custom udev rule" either. It's a very simple udev hook in fact. |
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| [22:45:18] | clever: | though with my netbooting systems they cant rename eth0 because its allready in use |
| [22:45:31] | Dagmar: | It's not renaming them, either. |
| [22:45:53] | clever: | assigning the name at driver load? |
| [22:46:11] | Dagmar: | Look at the udev code. |
| [22:46:21] | Dagmar: | That part of it's a bloody shell script. |
| [22:46:32] | clever: | i expected a shell script of some kind |
| [22:46:50] | whodat: | i think i will do udev anyway because i like to call things what they are... /dev/webcam, /dev/sdtv0, /dev/sdtv1, /dev/hdtv sounds good. |
| [22:47:06] | clever: | looks like the 'persistent-net' files:P |
| [22:47:37] | clever: | ./10-local.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="video4linux", SYSFS{model}=="3Com Home Connect Lite", SYMLINK+="video3com" |
| [22:47:55] | clever: | i find totaly renaming a device can break things, mythtv might not let you pick /dev/sdtv1 as a input |
| [22:48:14] | whodat: | /dev should behave like dhcp does IMO. use the device number it used the last time, if available. |
| [22:48:25] | clever: | so try to keep the name under the normal patern or add a symlink on the side |
| [22:48:37] | clever: | whodat: thats wat it seems to do for ethernet cards |
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| [22:48:59] | whodat: | clever: thats true. i did notice that skype doesnt find /dev/webcam, it has to be /dev/video* :( :( |
| [22:49:35] | clever: | you could make it /dev/videocam or just /dev/video8 so its well out of the way |
| [22:49:43] | clever: | it might also want it to be a number |
| [22:50:33] | whodat: | hmm.. /dev/usethisvideoandlikeitdamnit |
| [22:50:42] | clever: | some noob might try to store it as a int without the /dev/video |
| [22:51:16] | clever: | Dagmar: i see how the persistent device names work now, it automaticaly adds rules to the file |
| [22:51:26] | clever: | which also explains how i can change them easily later on |
| [22:52:38] | clever: | my cpu is done overheating, back to my .mp4 file |
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| [22:54:32] | whodat: | anyone else here in cleveland area? |
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| [22:58:31] | ThatOtherGuy: | Is there a way to check what codecs ffmpeg is compiled with |
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| [22:58:45] | clever: | ThatOtherGuy: yes |
| [22:59:03] | clever: | ThatOtherGuy: -format |
| [22:59:03] | clever: | s |
| [22:59:30] | ThatOtherGuy: | ty |
| [22:59:43] | ThatOtherGuy: | yay, already compiled with xvid |
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| [23:06:53] | dustybin: | if a CRT television can do NTSC mode, does that mean its capable of 60hz ? |
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| [23:07:29] | ** cesman wonders why you'd need a "desktop to fix sh*t"... ** | |
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| [23:08:30] | gbee: | cesman: you wouldn't, ignore it |
| [23:08:50] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, That or it can do pulldown, more likely the latter |
| [23:11:15] | cesman: | gbee: I'm away you don't |
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| [23:12:09] | cesman: | I was reading up about where someone stated they perfer mythbuntu becuase it includes a "desktop" so they could "fix shit" when it broke |
| [23:12:18] | cesman: | s/away/aware |
| [23:12:33] | ** cesman is losing his ability to spell ** | |
| [23:12:59] | gbee: | welcome to the club |
| [23:13:05] | cesman: | :) |
| [23:13:17] | iamlindoro: | cesman, Yeah, why are you such a cheapskate, would a desktop cost you that much more in knoppmyth? |
| [23:13:30] | ** gbee is the king of word subtitution and repetition ** | |
| [23:13:40] | iamlindoro: | I would gladly pay twice the current amount for knoppmyth if only it had "a desktop" |
| [23:13:50] | ** cesman wonders why wagnerrp was thinking of him... ** | |
| [23:14:12] | ** gbee imagines cesman bundling knoppmyth with a plank ** | |
| [23:14:41] | cesman: | iamlindoro: it would cost me more in terms of performance ;) |
| [23:14:46] | gbee: | cesman: he was trying to remember who the maintainer of knoppmyth was |
| [23:15:27] | cesman: | I'm sure you are quite aware a PVR doesn't need a desktop when a Window Manger will do just fine |
| [23:15:47] | gbee: | maintainer/creator/all round genius behind said distro |
| [23:16:14] | iamlindoro: | cesman, I'm simply being silly ;) |
| [23:16:28] | cesman: | and if it breaks, you include things like an xterm, ssh, webmin, etc ;) |
| [23:16:57] | cesman: | yeah I know... Just point it out to those that aren't dailed in |
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| [23:17:15] | ** cesman needs to stay awake... ** | |
| [23:17:30] | cesman: | no nap or I'll be up all night |
| [23:17:49] | cesman: | gbee: you are already on my good side ;) |
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| [23:18:26] | gbee: | if it breaks, then that's more a fault in the distro isn't it? It didn't automatically configure things correctly etc ... so you might infer that mythbuntu needs a desktop because it's more likely to be broken than knoppmyth |
| [23:18:31] | ** gbee winks at laga ** | |
| [23:18:49] | Wicked: | hello all...ive got my ir blaster set up so when i issue a command from the cli it will power off and on my set top box....but i cant seem to figure out how to make it use my remote.. |
| [23:18:58] | dustybin: | is it possible to change xorg resolution without restarting it? |
| [23:19:06] | cesman: | xrandr |
| [23:19:08] | gbee: | dustybin: xranr |
| [23:19:16] | dustybin: | wow ok |
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| [23:19:29] | dustybin: | so that means i can select a different res from the list xrandr detects |
| [23:19:31] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, I love when people PM me for one on one support |
| [23:19:32] | gbee: | ignore my typo, go with cesman |
| [23:19:35] | iamlindoro: | I am NOT paid enough for this |
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| [23:19:48] | dustybin: | so i could create a script, what activates a new modeline for mame, then launches mame |
| [23:19:55] | cesman: | to those that PM for one on one support |
| [23:20:00] | cesman: | _DON'T_ do it |
| [23:20:08] | cesman: | you are being selfish |
| [23:20:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah, that must suck |
| [23:20:41] | cesman: | and the person you maybe PM'n may not have the answer |
| [23:20:49] | gbee: | good job I know nothing about MythTV |
| [23:20:50] | iamlindoro: | and why ME of all people? I'm maximum surly! |
| [23:20:58] | cesman: | asking for one on one support helps no one |
| [23:21:12] | cesman: | _but_ you |
| [23:22:01] | gbee: | not even that, since it tends to leave people with a negative impression and you are less likely to receive help from that individual in future |
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| [23:25:29] | ThatOtherGuy: | Gah. Previously recorded program; how do you change what transcoder it uses |
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| [23:25:51] | smithna: | Hi, I am getting the following error when I try and run mythmusic (from svn) MythPlugin::init() dlerror: /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/libmythmusic.so: undefined symbol: aa_defparams. I believe it because I'm missing a library — but can't figure out what library that maybe. I do have libaa (devel) installed |
| [23:26:00] | gbee: | by transcoder you mean transcoding profile? |
| [23:26:07] | ThatOtherGuy: | gbee – yea |
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| [23:28:49] | gbee: | interesting question, don't think I've ever had to do that, might work if done from the Record Options sub-menu (Watch Recordings – Popup Context Menu) but that isn't very intuitive |
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| [23:29:21] | ThatOtherGuy: | Well, I created a new transcoding profile now that I'm watching my hdd disapear under uncompressed recordings |
| [23:29:25] | ThatOtherGuy: | but >_< |
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| [23:31:40] | gbee: | ThatOtherGuy: that profile doesn't show up when you manually start a transcode job? Watch Recordings -> Context Menu (sorry can't remember what the default keybinding for this is) -> Job Options -> Begin Transcoding |
| [23:32:06] | cesman: | gbee: 'i' |
| [23:33:28] | gbee: | cesman: thanks, I won't remember, but thanks all the same :) I've rebound i to show the programme information here, context menu is right, screen menu is m |
| [23:34:45] | ** gbee needs to print out a MythTV cheat sheet ** | |
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| [23:35:42] | cesman: | you're welcome :) |
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| [23:40:58] | ThatOtherGuy: | cesman, gbee – Comes up but doesn't list the xcode that I added =/ |
| [23:41:31] | cesman: | wouldn't happend if you used KnoppMyth ;) |
| [23:41:49] | cesman: | but sorry, we don't include a "desktop" |
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| [23:44:29] | iamlindoro: | That's because you can't add a transcode |
| [23:44:35] | iamlindoro: | You can edit the existing ones, though |
| [23:44:40] | dustybin: | when i use a NSTC modeline, all the thin white lines have stopped flickering |
| [23:46:10] | gbee: | iamlindoro: whilst I can't and won't disagree, the recording profiles dialog does let you set up new profiles – might be that they can't be used, but that would qualify as a bug |
| [23:46:49] | iamlindoro: | gbee, That's exactly it-- you can create new transcoders, but they cannot be used. Per kormoc that's known unimplemented functionality |
| [23:46:49] | gbee: | you can't delete custom profiles – now that's a bug :/ |
| [23:47:19] | mchou: | gbee: you can delete anything using mysql cli :) |
| [23:47:22] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah I vaguely remember the subject coming up a couple of times a year or two ago |
| [23:47:42] | Wicked: | hmm. i can use commands like irsend "irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 0_41_KEY_CH_UP" to change channels....and i set this script in mythtv http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/change_channel |
| [23:47:46] | Wicked: | but my channels dont change |
| [23:47:51] | iamlindoro: | gbee, It *is* a good point that the "create new profile" shouldn't be there for the time being, though :) |
| [23:47:58] | gbee: | maybe I'll take a sidestep and fix both those issues when I come to convert those dialogs to mythui |
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| [23:48:05] | Wicked: | mythtv still wants to use its own on screen channel changer |
| [23:48:11] | mzb_d800: | gbee: cheat sheet? where? ;) |
| [23:48:39] | cesman: | mzb_d800: I'm sure he is referring to keys.txt |
| [23:49:15] | gbee: | mzb_d800: what I'm thinking of doesn't exist yet, but could easily be created by combining information from keys.txt and some of jams' work |
| [23:49:17] | mzb_d800: | I was hoping for something a little nicer to suit sticking under a mini keyboard |
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| [23:58:20] | ** jams missed something ** | |
| [23:59:16] | ** mzb_d800 wonders if jam would like to regurgitate a cheat sheet ** | |
| [23:59:25] | mzb_d800: | s/jam/jams |
| [23:59:41] | mzb_d800: | (caffeine hasn't hit fingers yet;) |
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