Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, September 16th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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justinh:

I've seen people power their HDDs with a spare PSU for tests of that nature – wouldnt necessarily recommend it

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my2keh:

$100 is a lot to spend on an un-educated guess heh

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kormoc:

Dagmar, Heh, I'm a huge fan of compiling in as much as I can

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justinh:

if you can lose an HDD or 2 temporarily, try it & see if it helps

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Chicago:

Dagmar: I will change video4linux into modules then. Do you really use ALSA as a module and not build your sound card driver directly into the kernel?

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my2keh:

can I just yank an HDD and myth won't blow up?

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my2keh:

obviously with the machine off

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justinh:

my2keh: depends what depends on the HDDs doesn't it?

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** kormoc shudders at the thought of V4L as static **

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my2keh:

well it's just a storage directory

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my2keh:

brb

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justinh:

my2keh: so long as nothing tries to use em when you're testing you should be fine

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Dagmar:

Chicago: Considering that I have USB audio devices, hell yes I build ALSA as modules

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justinh:

and even then, not being able to find a video file isn't the end of the world, so long as you don't let myth update the database to say the files are all gone ;)

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Dagmar:

There's no benefit to building things directly into the kernel.

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Chicago:

Shit... it turns out those symbols I mentioned earlier can't be set as M.... they are built in on my configuration because that's the only option. On that list of symbols I posted... anybody here have them as modules?

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Dagmar:

Use menuconfig.

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Chicago:

I am

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Dagmar:

If you still can't build the ivtv driver as a module, this is one of the places where trying to build things directly into the kernel has bitten you on the face.

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Dagmar:

Spam more 'm's in there

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justinh:

some top level items can't be built as options

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justinh:

er.. modules

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justinh:

they're either Y or N, but their children can be modules... as far as I can remember anyway

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Chicago:

Multimedia devices <M> Video For Linux... [*] Enable Video For Linux API 1 (DEPRECATED)... -*- Enable Video For Linux API 1 compatible Layer... [*] Video capture adapters... that's my current configuration.

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Dagmar:

Those are switches, so there's no "module" to build in any case

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Dagmar:

...cept for that last one I think

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justinh:

this is the sort of thing where if you don't really know, should you really be using gentoo?

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justinh:

or leave it to that other thing.. whatsitsname..

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Dagmar:

I kinda agree

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justinh:

genkernel or something IIRC

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Dagmar:

Just make everything under that Medimedia Devices section that you can a module

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Chicago:

<M> Conexant cx23416/cx23415 MPEG encoder/decoder support, [*] V4L USB devices... <M> USB Logitech Quickcam Messenger

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Dagmar:

We're not going to say anything one way or the other about you pasting everything to the channel.

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Dagmar:

...because the answer for use is always 'M' if it'll take it.

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justinh:

a rule of thumb I read about was anything that isn't essential at boot time, build as modules

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justinh:

and to me that makes the most sense

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Dagmar:

You can not *unload* monolithic code that's built into the kernel, and module dependency mapping has been working fine since 2001

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dustybin:

leave the kernel space to torvalds :P

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justinh:

and by boot time, I mean essential to being able to boot – so stuff like HDD controllers, networking (if relying on mounting a network share to find / etc)

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Chicago:

Dagmar: Try and watch 30fps and listen to 3 or 4 PCM mixes... as a module vs. built-in... and then get your load average way up... The built in sound doesn't skip samples... the module usually does. You can still keep the sound driver and the sound mixer built into the kernel and just have ALSA USB Audio as a module.

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mchou:

anyone have hvr-1600?

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my2keh:

justinh>>> F7 doesn't seem to do anything? However signal when changing channels shows 30%

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justinh:

my2keh: I find I can never believe myth's signal level readout anyway

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justinh:

femon ftw

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my2keh:

i know when I connected my set to box, it shows 85% Signal/Quality

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my2keh:

should signal and snr = 0 ?

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my2keh:

like even when the playback is good, it equals 4e00 and 0d00

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justinh:

my2keh: no, bigger numbers for SNR are better, I told you that already

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mchou:

crap

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my2keh:

but is 4c00 a number?

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hednod:

justinh: can't seem to find that (livetv size limit) in mythtv-setup or settings otherwise. it should be in the mysql database yes? maybe i'll dig around.

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justinh:

some DVB card drivers still report the opposite to what you might expect for the signal level – i.e. lower numbers for stronger signals – depends how it's measured on the card – they're only useful as relative guides anyway

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justinh:

hednod: it's not a live tv size limit. like I said, it's the max amount of free space to keep before myth starts expiring stuff

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hednod:

justinh: at ok, i found that. since that limit is global, it can't be specified per-storage group unfortunately.

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Lexridge:

Does anyone know of a Live MythTV dist I can dd to a Compact Flash card? I have a MicroATX system I want to make into a mythfrontend.

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justinh:

netbooting ftw :)

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my2keh:

What's a good power supply brand?

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hednod:

I like my OCZ's

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Lexridge:

humm, hadn't considered netbooting. Not a bad idea. I wonder which would boot faster?

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justinh:

Lexridge: both are fast

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my2keh:

like this one: http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=1079

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mchou:

Lexridge: netbooting would be more admin overhead though

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mchou:

Lexridge: unless you have a whole gang of frontends netbooting is too much of a hassle compared from booting from flash

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mchou:

Lexridge: for 1 or 2 frontends it's hardly worth the effort for netboot. more than that makes sense though

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mzb_d800:

where does nuvexport get it's database config from? (ie. file?)

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justinh:

uses the mythtv perl bindings IIRC

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mzb_d800:

I'm trying to figure out why it's still trying to talk to the old BE

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mzb_d800:

I've uninstalled/reinstalled myth since then

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Lexridge:

So much for thinking my X lockups were solved. Just did it again.....twice!!

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Lexridge:

Here is what the log reports: NVP: Timed out waiting for free video buffers

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Lexridge:

and this as well: NVP: prebuffering pause

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Lexridge:

humm, actually found something about it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Troubles . . . ideo_buffers

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mzb_d800:

found it: .mythtv/config.xml had old sqlserver

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pavon:

Hi, I had to change my back-end IP address and now the front-end running on the same machine cannot connect to it anymore. I've looked through all the menus and the only place that I can see to set an IP address is in General->Database which is set to 127.0.0.1. The client can connect to the database just fine, but then latter tries to connect to the backend server using the old IP address. Where do I changes this?

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Dagmar:

mythtv-setup.

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pavon:

Dagmar: thanks, that fixed it.

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Rob__:

hello all, I currently have no TV and have been considering satellite, are there certain boxes that play nicer than others?

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Rob__:

(DirectTV or DishNetwork since I'm in the US)

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Rob__:

last time I used myth I had cable on a 1.4 gig Thunderbird I bought for a Myth box so I haven't kept up with the state of the art :)

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Rob__:

and since then I've been doing without TV but the wife is requesting some kind of TV besides rabbit ears and Netflix and I'm tring to get my ducks in a row :)

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iamlindoro:

Rob__, as you'll be capturing the analog outs of either, it will really come down to which you feel has the channels you want at the better price

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Rob__:

iamlindoro: any way around that?

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iamlindoro:

Way around analog only? No.

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Dagmar:

Well...

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Dagmar:

There really should be an asterisk after that

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Rob__:

Dagmar, I love asterisks

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iamlindoro:

You *will* be able to capture HD from it in fairly short order with the release of .22, once HD-PVR support matures a bit

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Rob__:

especially if they involve additional toys :)

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Dagmar:

You might not like this one

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Dagmar:

Okay maybe you WILL like this one then

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mchou:

Rob__: what??? your wife doesn't think netflix is enough??

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iamlindoro:

But that will still be via an analog out, namely component outs

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Dagmar:

That HD-PVR costs about $250, but it'll capture HD and stream it to Myth

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Dagmar:

...and the signal loss there should be pretty much negligible

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Rob__:

URl me

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iamlindoro:

hauppauge.com

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Dagmar:

"Hauppage HD-PVR" and stick google somewhere near it

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Dagmar:

First hit: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I gotta have a talk with my dad about high def

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iamlindoro:

also note you will need an absolutely beastly system to play back the recordings

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Dagmar:

I was over at my parent's place yesterday and they have the Dish HD units.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, heh, why?

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mchou:

that box look huge

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Dagmar:

They bought a nice Samsung panel to hang on the wall.

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Dagmar:

...and it's connected with a red/yellow/white cable.

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Dagmar:

*snerk*

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mchou:

haha

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Rob__:

Dagmar, I had to spank my folks hands for that

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mchou:

composite??

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Rob__:

Tell them to go to Big Lots and buy an HDMI cable there :)

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar, Heh.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I figure my dad is excused for this

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mchou:

Dagmar: composite?

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Rob__:

surprisingly they have a pretty good cable selection

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Dagmar:

I've already gift-shipped both an HDMI cable and a five RCA red/green/blue/left/right cable to them

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Dagmar:

mchou: you got it

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** Rob__ was hoping there would be some kind of decoder card or something that would take a card and make things magically happen **

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Dagmar:

robbins876: You can basically thank the monopolists for there not being one

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Dagmar:

s/robbins876/Rob___/;

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mchou:

Rob__: yeah, it's called cableCARD

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mchou:

Rob__: still useless

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Dagmar:

When I call Comcast and try to ask about CableCard they try to transfer me to the cablemodem dept.

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Dagmar:

lol

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mchou:

haha

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mchou:

Dagmar: you have all the luck

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mchou:

our comcast here is nowhere near that incompetent

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Dagmar:

I was kinda hoping I could pull a fast one on them like I did with the cablemodem.

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mchou:

Dagmar: what was that?

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Dagmar:

When they first rolled out here, I checked with a guy that worked for Comcast and made sure where I lived was within range of an active headend.

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Dagmar:

They weren't planning on rolling things out on my side of town for another four months.

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Dagmar:

So whe they had their little signup festival at the mall on the *rich* side of town, I showed up, signed up, adn went home with a cable modem.

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Dagmar:

I was one of three people on the whole of south Nashville with a cablemodem for months.

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mchou:

what's the point?

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Dagmar:

I figured if they had even *some* cablecard stuff I could maybe bamboozle one out of them

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mchou:

if the cable plant didnt roll out what good did having a cable modem do for you?

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Dagmar:

mchou: The point was I had screaming transfer speeds because I had the virtually unused headend to myself. :)

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Dagmar:

They had already deployed the equipment. they just werne't planning on hooking up people in the "poor" neighborhoods yet

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mchou:

ok.

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Dagmar:

They were just looking to get customers in Belle Meade and Brentwood (which has more millionaires per square mile than Hollywood)

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

Hollywood is a DUMP

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Dagmar:

yeah, but people in Brentwood are hella rich

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mchou:

it's a virtual slum

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mchou:

richer tahn hollywood is like saying richer than east LA

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mchou:

it doesnt mean much

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mchou:

than*

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Dagmar:

I aint' talking residential areas.

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Dagmar:

You'll have to just trust me that the homes there are pretty much all mansions.

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Dagmar:

Single level ranch homes don't exist there.

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mchou:

then by definition that cant be rich

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mchou:

:)

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mchou:

cause rich ppl dont climb stairs. They just spread out :)

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, it could be that a lot of them are merely pretending to own these giant homes, but...

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Dagmar:

...and I used to get pulled over in Belle Meade for just *looking poor* basically.

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Dagmar:

...cuz I drove a complete pos car then.

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mchou:

really rich people have no need to build up is all I'm saying. They just use more land instead

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mchou:

only poor people build up because they cant afford more land

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Dagmar:

They're not happy unless they can look out their bedroom windows and *down* onto someone else.

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mchou:

frigging Hauppauge

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mchou:

mystery card in a box

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Shadow__X:

which card

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mchou:

luck of draw if you get QAM for HVR-1600

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Shadow__X:

i have qam on my 1600

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mchou:

Shadow__X: yeah. you got lucky

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Shadow__X:

well i just got aonther one

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Shadow__X:

ill let you know if that works

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Shadow__X:

but honestly

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mchou:

you can't tell by outside of box which one has qam

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Shadow__X:

if youi are buying the RIGHT one you get it

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Shadow__X:

yes you can

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mchou:

Shadow__X: how to tell?

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Shadow__X:

reading

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mchou:

reading what?

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Shadow__X:

hauppauges site

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mchou:

dude. the outside of box has no differentiation

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mchou:

Shadow__X: you can read tuner label but you have to open the box for that

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psm321:

i think he means buy from hauppauge

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mchou:

yeah well

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Vaelys:

.wub 39

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Shadow__X:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1600.html

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Shadow__X:

or maybne you dont have qam

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mchou:

Shadow__X: that's einstein

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mchou:

s/that's/thanks

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Shadow__X:

anytime

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Shadow__X:

maybe tyou have something defecting

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Shadow__X:

are you are

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Shadow__X:

or*

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mchou:

there is no way to tell from the box. PERIOD

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psm321:

Shadow__X: as much as i hate to be on mchou's side, that data sheet only refers to the revision they are selling now from their website. older revisions didn't have qam support

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psm321:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php . . . post10577572

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Shadow__X:

so get a new one

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mchou:

lol

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psm321:

well at retail you never know... stock gets mixed up all over

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psm321:

you could buy one today and have it be one of the older revs

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mchou:

I should just go to the store and open all boxes till I find the right one

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psm321:

i'd say just buy from hauppauge or ebay (where you can see the tuner #)

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mchou:

that's go over REAL well

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mchou:

that'd*

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Gimpy:

psm321: i'm having a problem emerging lirc with mceusb2, I've added LIRC_DEVICES="hauppaug" and mceusb2 is not included when i run emerge -pv lirc

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psm321:

Gimpy: any reason youre addressing me in paricular? :)

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Gimpy:

no none at all :-p

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iamlindoro:

psm321, This is what happens when you talk about fight Club

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psm321:

huh?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

Guess you never saw that one

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psm321:

i've heard the quote before

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psm321:

havent seen the movie

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iamlindoro:

ah

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iamlindoro:

no worries

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psm321:

but dont get how its related

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psm321:

k

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iamlindoro:

It's a non sequitur

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iamlindoro:

It's just being silly

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psm321:

:)

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mchou:

Funny how fight club and Harry potter share similarities

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iamlindoro:

anyway, mceusb isn't a happauge device, so a flag related to Hauppauge is unlikely to be helpful

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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mchou:

"the one who must not be named"

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mchou:

wonder if Rowling was inspired by Fight Club.

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mchou:

That'd be rather kinky

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psm321:

Gimpy: try LIRC_DEVICES="mceusb2" :)

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Gimpy:

psm321: it compiled with it thats, now to see if i can get it to work :-)

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LanUser:

Hello – I'm trying to get lircd to work with my HDHR and I think lircd isn't listening on the correct network interface

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LanUser:

Is there a way to bind "lircd -H -d 5000" to a specific network interface?

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Gimpy:

psm321: i have restarted lirc but when i do an ls -al /dev/lirc* all i get is /dev/lircd im missipg somthin somwhere, i did check to make sure i had an /etc/lircd.conf

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psm321:

Gimpy: perhaps theres a kernel module you need to load

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psm321:

Gimpy: put the results of equery files lirc on pastebin

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psm321:

and if you dont have equery, emerge gentoolkit to get it

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mikegrb:

win list

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Wicked:

hello all. im trying to hook up my cable box..its plugged in im watching tv with mplayer by watching /dev/video0...but im wondering how i set up the ir blaster and how mythtv knows how and when to record

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Sulx_:

im trying to get mythweb to access all my recordings dirs in default group

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Sulx_:

one is in /media and one is in /home and mythweb doesn't get access to one in /home

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Sulx_:

says that does not exist in any recognized storage group directories for this host

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Sulx_:

tho chmod is the same in both...and should have read access

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clever:

Sulx_: you also need +x on every dir above

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clever:

if it lacks +x on /home/sulx/ then it cant read anything below that

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Sulx_:

ah ofcourse...

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Sulx_:

that worked :P

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clever:

a simple way to test is to just ls each part of the path as the www user

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Sulx_:

didn't even came to my mind

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clever:

sudo -u www-data ls -l /home/sulx/storage_group

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clever:

sudo -u www-data ls -l /home/sulx/

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clever:

...

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clever:

keep backing off till it works and then check the problem folder

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Sulx_:

ok...tho i'm not using ubuntu...so no www-data ;)

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clever:

on my redhat its called httpd i thnik

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clever:

nope, apache

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clever:

and yet they renamed the binary to httpd!

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Sulx_:

just http here

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Sulx_:

not that relevant tho =)

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clever:

everybody has to be uniq!

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Sulx_:

its httpd in arch too

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Sulx_:

anyways...thanks for the help

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Sulx_:

now I have something to do at work ;)

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clever:

and i have more duplicate mp3 files to delete

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Sulx:

now I just need to code mythfrontend for symbian...

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i thought of making a palm based frontend:P

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Sulx:

=)

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clever:

the cpu can handle the files after transcoding to avi

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Sulx:

would be easy if qt4 were available ;)

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clever:

it has nowhere near the ram though

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clever:

id need to write up a custom frontend and some way to push/pull the files thru bluetooth

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Sulx:

my idea was that you could set video quality in the frontend and backend recodes video before sending

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Sulx:

so it would be scalable for different transfer speeds

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clever:

thats allready been planed for

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Sulx:

true

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clever:

something about transcoding to flv(flash video) within the mythbackend and streaming it

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clever:

and storing multiple versions of the file on disk

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clever:

but the dev who is making it hasnt finished and is busy now so he cant finish/release it

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Sulx:

well...mythwebs flash stream works

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clever:

mythweb has to transcode within the apache server

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clever:

every time

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clever:

and lacks seeking

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Sulx:

seeking works =)

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Sulx:

press play, then pause and wait ffmpeg to finish transcode

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Sulx:

= seeking

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clever:

thats horid!

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Sulx:

true ;)

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Sulx:

but works

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clever:

the new design would store the finished file along side the original

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clever:

and just seek within it like any other file

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Sulx:

couldt that be done via jobs?

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clever:

most jobs have a delay to them

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clever:

the backend only checks for new jobs to run every 60 sec

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clever:

and even if you had a custom job to transcode to flv while keeping the original

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Sulx:

is that so bad?

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clever:

nothing would delete the flv along with the original

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Sulx:

thats true

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clever:

the delay would mean waiting up to 1minute before it starts to even stream

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clever:

then more waiting as it buffers at every stage

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Sulx:

another job queue for deleting

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Sulx:

=D

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Andrew_Barber:

could anyone recommend a video card that does hdmi audio, too?

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Wicked:

hello all. im trying to set up a ir blaster with my pvr-150 .....but i dont think its working. is there a way to test? my ir blaster is not blinking

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hadeees:

Andrew_Barber, I think the HD-PVR is the only one

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hadeees:

actually i think you would have to conver it with a hdfury2

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hadeees:

convert

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hadeees:

http://www.curtpalme.com/HDFury2.shtm

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fryfrog:

hadeees: i think Andrew_Barber means video *output*

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hadeees:

ah well thats entirly different

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fryfrog:

Andrew_Barber: I don't know of any specific ones, but I swear I've read of some cards that have a digital input (coax? optical?) so you can just feed your normal sound card into your video card.

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hadeees:

are there linux drivers that support hdmi?

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fryfrog:

hdmi is dvi, it is a video output port

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Wicked:

can anyone help me get my ir blaster working on my pvr-150. im using ubuntu linux.

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Andrew_Barber:

sorry guys, i stepped away

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Andrew_Barber:

yeah, i'm looking for one that does video/audio out

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Andrew_Barber:

i've heard both nvidia/ati have made strides in combining the two

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Andrew_Barber_:

sorry guys, stepped away

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Andrew_Barber_:

yeah, i'm looking for one that does video/audio out

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Andrew_Barber_:

i've heard both nvidia and ati have made strides in combining the two

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justinh:

does mythvideo's folder image have to be a jpg ?

[09:05:36]

justinh:

be cool if it could be a png, then it could be overlaid on the regular folder image rather than looking like a boring rectangle

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directhex:

it can be a png

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directhex:

i use the occasional transparent png for folder images

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Tdawgedogg:

hey can someone help me with the setup for myth tv

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Tdawgedogg:

its telling me i cant login to the database

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justinh:

directhex: cool, I had a suspicion it might be hard-coded

[09:09:52]

Tdawgedogg:

im running ubuntu hardy

[09:10:02]

directhex:

#ubuntu-mythtv

[09:10:05]

** justinh points towards #ubuntu-mythtv **

[09:10:10]

Tdawgedogg:

thanks

[09:10:26]

directhex:

and it takes special powers to break myth on ubuntu, unless you purposefully ignore all messages that happen during install except ones saying "leave this box blank"

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justinh:

special powers ftw!

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PaulWay:

Hi all!

[09:59:17]

clever:

Hi one!

[09:59:22]

PaulWay:

I'm getting a weird problem trying to run MythWeb – apache says it can't write to the data directory, but it's EUID is apache (which owns the directory).

[09:59:39]

PaulWay:

According to strace, it's definitely looking at the directory I'm looking at.

[09:59:52]

PaulWay:

And the directory is chmod 777 (temporarily).

[10:00:00]

clever:

selinux?

[10:00:06]

PaulWay:

We tried 770, 700, 775 and 755, all with no success.

[10:00:12]

PaulWay:

Nothing in the selinux log.

[10:00:39]

clever:

try messing with the selinux perms for apache

[10:00:46]

clever:

(has no idea how selinux works)

[10:01:14]

PaulWay:

And we know that SELinux would report an error because it had one before we turned httpd_can_network_connect on.

[10:01:24]

clever:

lol

[10:01:54]

clever:

it might log network and hide filesystem errors

[10:02:19]

PaulWay:

I do know a bit about SELinux and I can tell you that if it was going to complain, it would :-)

[10:02:38]

PaulWay:

It's also shown filesystem denials on this machine earlier today.

[10:02:47]

clever:

all i know about selinux is that i have an avi of somebody trying to rm -rf /

[10:02:50]

clever:

as root

[10:02:51]

clever:

and it refusing:P

[10:03:03]

PaulWay:

That's what it's there for. :-)

[10:03:35]

clever:

then how are you to ever delete files that you actualy want to get rid of!

[10:03:43]

justinh:

users should be allowed to make mistakes :D

[10:04:02]

PaulWay:

That demo was probably done on a system where the root user was locked down.

[10:04:25]

PaulWay:

Most SELinux policies in place these days don't lock root down; they target daemons instead.

[10:04:35]

clever:

yeah that sounds more logical

[10:04:48]

clever:

but i dont see why thats even needed at a glance

[10:04:58]

clever:

give each daemon its own username and limited perms

[10:05:10]

clever:

chroot it if you want

[10:05:42]

clever:

my bind is running under a chroot simply because that was the way the manual explained to install when i made the system

[10:05:49]

PaulWay:

Because there are some things that chroot and file system permissions can't do.

[10:06:05]

clever:

PaulWay: like lock the network down?

[10:06:22]

PaulWay:

If there was an exploit for apache that allowed it to run commands as EUID 0, then that would still be denied access under SELinux.

[10:06:31]

PaulWay:

Yes, like lock Apache down so it can

[10:06:33]

PaulWay:

can

[10:06:34]

PaulWay:

can'

[10:06:37]

PaulWay:

bugger!

[10:06:44]

PaulWay:

can't read network ports by default.

[10:07:00]

clever:

why even keep apache running as uid 0 in the first place

[10:07:15]

clever:

setuid() over to www-data asap so the exploit can never escape the user

[10:07:24]

PaulWay:

No, normally it doesn't; but if there was a bug in Apache which allowed an exploit to gain root access, ...

[10:07:48]

PaulWay:

E.g. someone dropping a crafted binary and then getting apache to execute it.

[10:08:05]

clever:

even then, apache doesnt have root access to give away

[10:08:07]

PaulWay:

That would still be locked down under SELinux.

[10:08:21]

PaulWay:

You're not getting the idea of "root privilege escalation" here, are you?

[10:08:29]

clever:

the only way to gain root from that point would be a kernel level flaw like the vmsplice one

[10:08:35]

PaulWay:

And?

[10:08:46]

clever:

which has nothing to do with exploits in apache

[10:09:07]

clever:

that would be a flaw in the kernel

[10:09:25]

PaulWay:

Which a carefully crafted exploit run as apache could potentially exploit.

[10:09:31]

PaulWay:

carefully crafted binary

[10:09:54]

clever:

you could combine a apache exploit

[10:09:59]

clever:

like a code exec one

[10:10:08]

clever:

feed apache code to run which then exploits the kernel

[10:10:12]

justinh:

but but but but but but but :P

[10:10:13]

PaulWay:

Indeed.

[10:10:31]

PaulWay:

justinh: but?

[10:10:54]

clever:

i think the vmsplice one needs to be properly linked into the libs on the system

[10:11:00]

clever:

so it wont work well as 'shell code'

[10:11:01]

justinh:

methinks some people can be a little too twitchy about security on boxes they have running at home

[10:11:15]

clever:

so it would need to write itself to a temp file, such as the mythweb data dir!

[10:11:34]

clever:

i still have a 2.4 kernel on 1 server

[10:11:44]

clever:

with a distro that people claim has tons of exploits for its packages

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justinh:

I left a box unprotected for months & nothing bad happened.. port 80 was wide open

[10:13:27]

clever:

apache 2.0.40

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clever:

looks safeish from a glance over a list of apache exploits

[10:14:29]

PaulWay:

Right, it was SELinux – thanks for the ideas, clever :-)

[10:15:00]

clever:

:)

[10:15:12]

clever:

even when i have no idea what im doing, i can still get it right!

[10:15:12]

PaulWay:

It turns out that you need to do "chcon -v -R -t httpd_sys_script_rw_t /usr/share/mythweb/data/" in order to set the correct context for the data directory.

[10:15:17]

PaulWay:

Yay!

[10:15:28]

PaulWay:

I'd love to know why SELinux wasn't logging that...

[10:15:57]

clever:

then ask the selinux channel!

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PaulWay:

Heh :-)

[10:17:54]

PaulWay:

justinh: since this box is accessible from the intertubes through basic HTTP authentication, I consider it not completely trustworthy.

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clever:

bbl

[10:18:18]

PaulWay:

ta, clever!

[10:18:43]

stuarta:

what time is US EST atm?

[10:18:56]

clever:

google

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justinh:

www.worldclock.com ?

[10:19:09]

stuarta:

ooo, never heard of that

[10:19:22]

clever:

i have but forgot the exact name:P

[10:19:30]

justinh:

heh neither has anybody else

[10:19:43]

clever:

dead site:P

[10:19:49]

justinh:

http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

[10:19:49]

clever:

must have been something similar i saw

[10:20:03]

mchou:

EST is probably GMT-5

[10:20:13]

clever:

yeah that looks like it

[10:20:55]

justinh:

bah they don't even say what the timezones are

[10:21:01]

clever:

its allready wed in some places!

[10:21:41]

stuarta:

lol, i search for EST and get Sweden

[10:21:44]

justinh:

NY is allegedly EST, so...

[10:21:51]

mchou:

NY is EST

[10:22:06]

mchou:

or EDT, depending on season

[10:22:18]

stuarta:

nah, need EST for a technical contact

[10:22:25]

stuarta:

so i'll have to work on 6 hrs

[10:22:36]

stuarta:

since they are in EDT not EST

[10:22:38]

stuarta:

atm

[10:23:26]

mchou:

hop on virgin and get a massage! :)

[10:23:34]

clever:

im in ADT right now

[10:23:34]

mchou:

both ways :)

[10:23:54]

stuarta:

anyway....

[10:24:02]

mchou:

stuarta: ^^^

[10:24:22]

mchou:

stuarta: you have to help Lehman Bros? :)

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stuarta:

nah, abuse AOL

[10:24:48]

stuarta:

don't start work until 8am EST

[10:24:54]

mchou:

AOL in not in NYC :)

[10:25:17]

mchou:

s/in/is not in

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stuarta:

at least they told me the timezone they are working to

[10:25:44]

mchou:

AOL is out of Virginia, iirc

[10:25:47]

justinh:

holy poo the difference in gamma between crt & LCD is quite marked. my icons look transparent on the lcd but not at all on the telly :(

[10:26:10]

justinh:

I knew there was a difference just not this big

[10:26:26]

stuarta:

heh, lots of near white on white on my OSX frontend

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mchou:

stuarta: what?? white on white violence?

[10:26:53]

justinh:

the sooner all the qt widgets are gone, the better :)

[10:27:09]

mchou:

stuarta: never though I'd see the day

[10:27:23]

mchou:

thought*

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stuarta:

nah, tha button backgrounds are almost the same colour as the text on them

[10:27:38]

stuarta:

only on my OSX frontend

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justinh:

weird

[10:29:46]

justinh:

time to do some DB mangling :)

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stuarta:

that what you are seeing

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justinh:

hrm

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justinh:

not a big fan of the way video metadata is stored

[10:37:14]

justinh:

I'm sure there's a very good reason for not putting the everything in one table but...

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justinh:

s/the/

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directhex:

justinh, to make it third normal form!

[10:39:25]

justinh:

whatever the hell that means

[10:40:11]

justinh:

oh you mean to stop simpletons doing easy-peasy transactions to update stuff like the genre of multiple entries

[10:42:40]

justinh:

this means I need to step to the next level of mysql-fu!

[10:43:36]

justinh:

or just not bother. course now, any proposed change to the current schema will be met with very frosty hostility, so I'll forget about it

[10:45:09]

directhex:

justinh, no, wrong, patches are always accepted with love, so it's always 100% worth coding changes

[10:48:19]

justinh:

yeah well, I'm starting to realise things

[10:50:40]

mchou:

lol

[10:51:29]

mchou:

man, i'm getting senile in my old age

[10:51:48]

justinh:

just read up a little about 3NF... it still doesn't occur to me why the genre field can't be part of the videometadata table

[10:51:58]

mchou:

had the AC adapter for the router this morning and now I cant find it

[10:59:15]

directhex:

whoops, out of date /ignore

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justinh:

ugh.. cast is another one. I'm sick of this

[11:02:53]

directhex:

in theory it should make it easy to do what xbmc does, and search by metadata

[11:05:01]

justinh:

in theory it'd make more sense to have everything pertaining to one video in the videometadata table – but I'm not a DBA so what would I know

[11:07:31]

dustybin:

PXE has turned into a nightmare, when machine boots it stops on: Starting NFS common utilities: statd

[11:07:33]

justinh:

doesn't really make sense to have metadata we're not using

[11:08:09]

dustybin:

im not sure if its the client or a server problem

[11:08:19]

mchou:

dustybin: PXE is cool

[11:08:27]

dustybin:

aye it is when it works

[11:08:53]

dustybin:

you got to be CAREFUL when stopping and starting NFS and switching them off, otherwise it messes up NFS

[11:09:00]

dustybin:

i think i have some kind of lockfile problem

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mchou:

wow. that's crazy

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mchou:

driver is whacked

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justinh:

directhex: does xbmc cache all its imdb lookups etc?

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directhex:

yes

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justinh:

I'm guessing it just dumps em in flat text files somewhere

[11:18:34]

dustybin:

this is the problem

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dustybin:

Sep 16 13:12:33 mythtvfrontend rpc.statd[2094]: unable to register (statd, 1, udp).

[11:18:44]

dustybin:

hmm the log isnt much help

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justinh:

bah. it's all just tooo.. relational... RTFMing on that is gonna take all day to get my head around it. the videos can remain un-genred

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tyler_:

hey can someone help me...i cant get any help from mythtv-ubuntu

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justinh:

nobody can help if they don't know what's wrong :P

[11:45:52]

tyler_:

:)ok well im having troulbe logging into mysql during the setup of mythtv

[11:45:59]

tyler_:

says cannot connect

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justinh:

ugh not this again

[11:46:36]

tyler_:

cannot login to database

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tyler_:

:(

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

we neet a bot in this channel for standard questions like this

[11:49:15]

justinh:

first of all, try logging into the mysql server from a terminal using "mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword mythconverg"

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tyler_:

ok

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justinh:

where $thepassword is whatever the install script told you it was setting the passowrd to

[11:50:02]

tyler_:

i think i left the password blank

[11:50:09]

tyler_:

cause it said to

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tyler_:

ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg'

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mchou:

lol

[11:51:47]

tyler_:

fail!

[11:52:01]

mchou:

the fail part is the user

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tyler_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[11:52:42]

justinh:

look in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt & see what the password _really_ is

[11:55:10]

justinh:

in its infinite wisdom the ubuntu installer randomises the password for the mythtv mysql user. thankfully it now tells the user what the password is during the install process

[11:55:15]

tyler_:

do i leave the -p$(password) before the password

[11:55:24]

tyler_:

i know what my password is

[11:55:47]

justinh:

if the password is blah you'd do mysql -u mythtv -pblah

[11:55:49]

mchou:

lol

[11:56:01]

tyler_:

yes mchou im a noob laugh it up :)

[11:56:03]

mchou:

this channel is just too funny

[11:56:36]

mchou:

try RTFM for once

[11:56:58]

justinh:

it really is pretty damn hard to mess this up on ubuntu these days. you basically have to ignore all the onscreen prompts in order to fail, hence this channel's reticence

[11:57:44]

mchou:

plus nobody has any sympathy for ool that dont read the frigging documentation

[11:57:55]

mchou:

s/ool/ppl

[11:58:05]

tyler_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES)

[11:58:13]

tyler_:

i typed it in correctly

[11:58:48]

mchou:

tyler_: for the love of god go read the mythtv docs

[12:00:07]

tyler_:

i think this is more of a mysql issue then mythtv

[12:00:42]

mchou:

it's not a mysql issue.

[12:00:56]

mchou:

it's a set up issue

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justinh:

I think this is more of an issue where the package install script tries to help but fails because the user is incapable of following simple instructions

[12:01:13]

tyler_:

lol

[12:01:13]

mchou:

mythtv setup issue, to be precise

[12:01:47]

justinh:

and to be brutally frank, it got tiresome about 18 months ago

[12:01:57]

mchou:

ubuntu has always been buggy regardless

[12:02:12]

mchou:

tyler_: RTFM

[12:02:22]

mchou:

or follow instructions

[12:02:26]

mchou:

your choice

[12:02:30]

justinh:

try logging in without a password.. i.e mysql -u mythtv mythconverg

[12:02:37]

mchou:

but do it right

[12:02:54]

tyler_:

mchou: if your not gonna try to help then dont talk plz :)

[12:03:36]

mchou:

tyler_: I'm telling you where to find the answer to your problem

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tyler_:

tyler@Intel:~$ mysql -u mythtv mythconverg

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tyler_:

ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user ''@'localhost' to database 'mythconverg'

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jduggan_:

-p

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jduggan_:

RTFM

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jduggan_:

=]

[12:05:06]

justinh:

maybe ubuntu will just go away one day :)

[12:05:24]

justinh:

damn scripts that try to do everything.. they do more harm than good IMHO

[12:05:53]

tyler_:

ive actually uninstalled it and reinstalled it a few times...and yes mchou i read the instructions carefully

[12:06:08]

mchou:

tyler_: which instructions?

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psm321:

wow, one of the top google results for an ubuntu mythtv guide brings up one that says, and i quote, "It will ask you for a password for the MySQL root user. It is strongly recommended that you leave this blank. Specifying a password here has been known to cause database access problems later on. It may seem insecure, but on your home network should be okay."

[12:06:28]

justinh:

what does /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt say the password is, then? that _should_ be what the password is

[12:06:37]

jduggan_:

he didnt provide -p on the cmd line

[12:06:45]

tyler_:

the script shit and this setup guide http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php

[12:06:47]

jduggan_:

so even if he had the wrong pass, he didnt put it in

[12:07:03]

psm321:

jduggan_: look at backlog, that was b/c justinh told him to try it that way when it didnt work with his pass

[12:07:05]

justinh:

jduggan_: he'd already tried using the password he thought he knew

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tyler_:

psm321: I left that password blank!

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jduggan_:

restart with skip grant tables

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jduggan_:

=]

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mchou:

tyler_: that''s not the doc I'm referring to. I'm referring to the OFFICIAL myth docs at mythtv.org

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jduggan_:

or --init-files

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psm321:

tyler_: i was actually laughing at how incredibly stupid that advice is

[12:07:47]

tyler_:

justinh: yeah i looked at the text and i see my password

[12:08:03]

justinh:

so, the password is obviously not right

[12:08:04]

psm321:

i've never seen any other guide tell you to leave your _root_ mysql password blank

[12:08:25]

justinh:

psm321: that's beside the point

[12:08:44]

justinh:

use your root mysql account to change the mythtv mysql user's password to something you know

[12:08:52]

justinh:

google will tell you how

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tyler_:

well, if the txt file says my password is "x" then "x" is my password

[12:08:57]

psm321:

justinh: yeah sorry, i realize i went off on a tanget there... just had to mention it since it seemed so odd

[12:09:22]

justinh:

tyler_: yeah in theory it should be, but it's not or else you'd be up & running

[12:09:32]

tyler_:

is there a way i can double check and make sure my mqsql root password is blank?

[12:09:38]

mchou:

lol

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mchou:

sigh

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justinh:

tyler_: mysql -u root

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tyler_:

tyler@Intel:~$ mysql -u root

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tyler_:

ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)

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justinh:

so there IS a root mysql password

[12:10:49]

mchou:

Who's on First?

[12:11:01]

justinh:

now you're boned & you'll have to change it unless you can guess it

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tyler_:

i installed it the first time before reading this guide and had a password....then uninstalled it in the respitories and installed it again but this time using no password

[12:11:35]

mchou:

there aint no boned

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psm321:

use the pw from the first time

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tyler_:

i thought that was what i was doing along time ago with justinh and it wasnt working

[12:12:26]

psm321:

that was for the mythtv user

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tyler_:

mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (x86_64) using readline 5.2

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tyler_:

[12:12:52]

tyler_:

This software comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. This is free software,

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tyler_:

and you are welcome to modify and redistribute it under the GPL license

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tyler_:

Usage: mysql [OPTIONS] [database]

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tyler_:

-?, --help Display this help and exit.

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tyler_:

-I, --help Synonym for -?

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tyler_:

--auto-rehash Enable automatic rehashing. One doesn't need to use

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tyler_:

'rehash' to get table and field completion, but startup

[12:13:00]

mchou:

WTF

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tyler_:

and reconnecting may take a longer time. Disable with

[12:13:02]

psm321:

uh oh

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tyler_:

--disable-auto-rehash.

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tyler_:

-A, --no-auto-rehash

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justinh:

oh FFS

[12:13:07]

tyler_:

No automatic rehashing. One has to use 'rehash' to get

[12:13:09]

tyler_:

table and field completion. This gives a quicker start of

[12:13:12]

mchou:

sont spam the frigging channel

[12:13:13]

tyler_:

mysql and disables rehashing on reconnect. WARNING:

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tyler_:

options deprecated; use --disable-auto-rehash instead.

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tyler_:

-B, --batch Don't use history file. Disable interactive behavior.

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mchou:

dont*

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tyler_:

(Enables --silent)

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tyler_:

--character-sets-dir=name

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tyler_:

Directory where character sets are.

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tyler_:

--default-character-set=name

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tyler_:

Set the default character set.

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justinh:

tyler_: for that, you're on /ignore. good luck

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tyler_:

-C, --compress Use compression in server/client protocol.

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JoshBorke:

a little late for that, don't you think?

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tyler_:

-#, --debug[=#] This is a non-debug version. Catch this and exit

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tyler_:

-D, --database=name Database to use.

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tyler_:

--delimiter=name Delimiter to be used.

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tyler_:

-e, --execute=name Execute command and quit. (Disables --force and history

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tyler_:

file)

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tyler_:

-E, --vertical Print the output of a query (rows) vertically.

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tyler_:

-f, --force Continue even if we get an sql error.

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mchou:

dumb fuck

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tyler_:

-G, --named-commands

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tyler_:

Enable named commands. Named commands mean this program's

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tyler_:

internal commands; see mysql> help . When enabled, the

[12:13:53]

tyler_:

named commands can be used from any line of the query,

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justinh:

tyler_: go use mediaportal

[12:13:55]

tyler_:

otherwise only from the first line, before a

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tyler_:

i was gonna ask if i got that then does that mean im logged into sql

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justinh:

I'm sure shuttleworth won't mind just one more user sneaking off back to windows

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mchou:

someone kickban this tyler_ dude

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tyler_:

dude mchou leave me alone please

[12:15:00]

mchou:

tyler_: no, you leave US alone

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psm321:

tyler_: i tend to be one of the more tolerant people here, but if you have to ask that you really shouldn't be using mythtv (or linux for that matter)

[12:15:24]

tyler_:

so i found out my password for mysql...how do i change that password to blank...like the documentation says to?

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mchou:

you dont change the password to blank

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psm321:

first you need to understand that theres 2 separate pw's: root and mythtv

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tyler_:

psm321: if it matters to you, Ive only been using ubuntu for 3–4 days so sorry for my terminal inexperiece

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mchou:

if you know the password wtf does it need to be blank??

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tyler_:

I understand that psm321

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psm321:

for root your guide says to set it to blank, but i would _strongly_ advise against that

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tyler_:

my database password and mysql root password

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psm321:

for mythtv i think you have to have a pw, dont think it'll let you keep it blank

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tyler_:

yes, it makes you have a database password

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psm321:

my opinion is that your guide is completely boneheaded when it tells you to leave the root pw blank, theres absolutely no reason to do that

[12:17:48]

toad_:

is it possible to tell mythtv to reduce its disk usage?

[12:17:51]

tyler_:

so now what im trying to do is change my root mysql password from what it is now to nothing....im behind a router

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justinh:

toad_: no

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toad_:

it's always filled up the partition for me

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toad_:

hmm so you can't shrink the myth partition? :|

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justinh:

you can set it to leave more space free

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psm321:

toad_: theres a reserved disk space thing

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toad_:

aha

[12:18:18]

psm321:

yeah

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toad_:

so it is possible

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justinh:

yes. now go find the setting

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psm321:

tyler_: sorry, not gonna help you do that unless you have a really good reason

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toad_:

and then it will delete lowest priority first or according to whatever the setting is – it will clear space immediately?

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justinh:

hint: it's in mythfrontend

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justinh:

toad_: it'll use whatever autoexpiry rules you've set

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tyler_:

psm321, the guide said when I use a password it messes with connectivity to the database

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justinh:

go & see

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toad_:

it will start to clear space immediately, so it's practical to shrink it?

[12:19:41]

toad_:

well i don't need to shrink it, i just need to know whether it's possible to cleanly shrink it

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toad_:

it affects a purchasing decision w.r.t. disks

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mchou:

tyler_: how many times do we have to tell you use the OFFICIAL myth docs?

[12:20:27]

tyler_:

It will ask you for a password for the MySQL root user. It is strongly recommended that you leave this blank. Specifying a password here has been known to cause database access problems later on. It may seem insecure, but on your home network should be okay.

[12:20:32]

justinh:

it'll check disk space periodically based on what it's set to do IIRC

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mchou:

tyler_: are YOU frigging DAFT?

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tyler_:

im having database access problems

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toad_:

ok so after a checkpoint it will start deleting stuff

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toad_:

cool

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toad_:

thanks

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mchou:

tyler_: virtually every told you what you quoted is misguided

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mchou:

everyone*

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justinh:

ah no, there's no time period for that – I was thinking of user jobs

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mchou:

tyler_: why you you insist on following that bonehead crap?

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justinh:

ubuntu might be one of the easiest distros to install these days but by God the users are hard work :)

[12:25:50]

mchou:

ubuntu has always been crap anyways

[12:26:20]

mchou:

it's the perfect storm of clueless user and buggy distro

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psm321:

tyler_: also, for future reference, you should never paste more than about 3 lines (maybe 4) to a channel. that's the rule on almost every irc channel, its considered flooding and will likely get you kicked/banned

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psm321:

tyler_: large pastes should go to a pastebin like pastebin.com

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mchou:

not to mention misguided advice

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tyler_:

sorry, pastebin?

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tyler_:

another user in here also said to not have a password for mysql root

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mchou:

lol

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justinh:

you can do whatever you want – it's your box, security ot lack thereof is your own perogative

[12:29:35]

justinh:

that isn't to say it's good practise :P

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psm321:

tyler_: been using myth for almost 4 years, never had a situation where myth even cared about the root user. only you are ever going to login to mysql as root (if ever), so what that guide says about access problems is completely unfounded

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mchou:

psm321: apparently you've never used ubuntu

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tyler_:

ok so if this isnt a mysql root password problem then where is my problem here?

[12:30:35]

tyler_:

why cant i connect to my database

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mchou:

pebcak

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psm321:

mchou: that's correct (except for a few minutes here and there), i apologize if whaqt i said is incorrect

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psm321:

mchou: please tell me :) does myth on ubuntu actually require root mysql access?

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mchou:

psm321: ubuntu disables root logins

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mchou:

only su

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mchou:

or sudo

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psm321:

hows that relevant to the mysql root user tho?

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mchou:

by default

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mchou:

cause who ever wrote that blurb tyler_ quoted is very confused

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mchou:

probably thought mysql root==login root

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tyler_:

tyler@Intel:~$ mysql -u mythtv -p password mythconverg

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tyler_:

this gets me into sql if that helps

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mchou:

tyler_: well, ther you go

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mchou:

there*

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mchou:

I blame justinh

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mchou:

gave tyler_ bad mysql syntax

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tyler_:

lol

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tyler_:

mchou -u is for database username and -p is for database password...is that correct...this has nothing to do with mysql root password

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mchou:

tyler_: what are you laughing at? It's ubuntu BS

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psm321:

have to go, back in ~30 mins

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mchou:

no

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mchou:

u is username

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justinh:

there's always a fine line between taking control out of a user's hands & pissing off people who know what they're doing

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mchou:

dbname in this case is mythconverg

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mchou:

I blame ubuntu still

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mchou:

and clueless users who dont read official docs

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justinh:

the official docs are pretty meaningless when packages come along which skip steps or just do stuff entirely differently

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justinh:

though then it's important to read the $distro docs

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mchou:

justinh: yeah, look where that got tyler_

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mchou:

crap distro is crap distro. just cant be trusted

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mchou:

that includes distro docs

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dustybin:

im going to have to start all over again, i spent the whole day setting my frontend up yesterday

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dustybin:

:-(

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psm321:

did he give up?

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justinh:

no idea

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dustybin:

nope dont yet still trying

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dustybin:

i think ive found the problem

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dustybin:

when the pxe client boots, its not showing the local loop interface

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psm321:

i meant tyler_

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justinh:

I know

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dustybin:

ive done it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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dustybin:

there was nothing wrong with my running services after all, it was all because i lost my local loop back interface

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Dibblah:

That was careless.

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dustybin:

so i deleted the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file so it forgot about the way my interfaces were setup

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dustybin:

rebooted and everything back to normal :-)

[13:35:12]

dustybin:

remember kids, if your having strange problems with services, check your interfaces first :-)

[13:36:16]

dustybin:

its VERY IMPORTANT not to restart NFS on the server when PXE is using it, thats what caused all the problems

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dustybin:

turn OFF your pxe client before you mess around with NFS

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dustybin:

case over.

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** dustybin dismissed **

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AndyCap:

dustybin: well, replace with nfs client and I'll agree

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iamlindoro:

Next thing you know he'll be telling us it's important not to turn off the electricity when you've got something that needs electricity running

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dustybin:

AndyCap: there was nothing wrong with my nfs-client, it was reporting problems i didnt understand, so i thought that was the problem, the real problem was that i lost the local loopback interface

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iamlindoro:

or that you can't fight fires with the water mains off

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dustybin:

i was that >< close to giving up

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dustybin:

now i feel like a professional linuxsysadmin :-)

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

might aswell delete my /ignore list. it's definitely as annoying now

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AndyCap:

dustybin: PXE is just a boot mechanism. :)

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, you are NOT. At all.

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dustybin:

AndyCap: it is, but before all this shit happened, i restarted nfs on my server with my pxe client connected, and it messed it up

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gbee:

justinh: indeed

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gbee:

unless I stick everyone who talks to people on ignore I just end up with a disjointed and slightly confusing conversation

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dustybin:

did somone just say something?

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gbee:

easier altogether just to abandon -users

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AndyCap:

gbee: that may draw the wrong crowd. ;)

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gbee:

or the right crowd ... you don't know what I intended there :p

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AndyCap:

Harr harr, thursday's your night in the barrel.

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gbee:

heh, so I sign up to Fonera yesterday and today receive an email saying they've just signed their 1 millionth member who gets a free PSP as a result

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gbee:

wonder how close I came :D

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AndyCap:

close but no psp.

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jams:

probably a good thing, gbee doesn't have time for a psp

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gbee:

heh, don't really want a psp but I would have sold it for something more useful

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gbee:

when are we going to have hot-swappable PCI type cards?

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psm321:

i think some server-type equipment does

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AndyCap:

gbee: around 2000. :)

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gbee:

AndyCap: ok, so clearly I've missed something ;)

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AndyCap:

gbee: now. I think there are about 5 people in the world who use them, and they cost an arm and a leg. :-P

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gbee:

heh, ok

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justinh:

AndyCap: so they cost more than landmines? they only cost bits of legs

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AndyCap:

I don't think it took off like they expected it to.

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AndyCap:

justinh: landmines are cheap

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AndyCap:

not sure if you need cards that support it, or just drivers and motherboard

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gbee:

given up looking for a hardware vpn solution, so sticking a second nic in a machine instead, just I'd rather not have to shut it down first :(

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justinh:

oh noes teh uptimes ;)

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AndyCap:

usb, usb, usb!

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AndyCap:

:P

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gbee:

nothing to do with uptimes, just means interrupting running processes and giving over a few extra minutes to the job

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gbee:

guess I might as well take this opportunity to move the machine too

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AndyCap:

or you could hot-plug the pci card and see what happens. :-P

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gbee:

I once hotplugged an old handheld scanner, now in my defense it didn't clearly explain that it was a bad idea, but as a result both the PCI board and scanner itself were fried – nice big burn mark in the centre of the controller chip :)

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gbee:

since then I've tended to be more cautious

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AndyCap:

handheld scanner with pci card? heh

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AndyCap:

not isa? :

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gbee:

might have been ISA, really can't remember

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justinh:

I had a mustek scanner that came with its own controller card

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** iamlindoro_ once set a HDD aflame **

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AndyCap:

saw a stupid local MS rep demonstrate windows 95 plug and play by sticking a new scsi controller in a powered on machine

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iamlindoro_:

accidental-like

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AndyCap:

justinh: probably scsi

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justinh:

AndyCap: yeh always figured that but it didn't have a common-or-garden scsi connector on it

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justinh:

it was a shit scanner too

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AndyCap:

the garden is full of scsi connectors. :P

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gbee:

iirc this was a PS2 like connector, but this would have been ~1995 I'd guess so forgive my memory being a little hazy

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AndyCap:

gbee: yeah, logitech scanman had something like that iirc.

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gbee:

AndyCap: yup

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AndyCap:

probably other relatives of it too.

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AndyCap:

later you got parallel port models

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justinh:

and to think, back then we were all led to believe serial stuff was slower than parallel :P

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AndyCap:

meh, byte had an article on Seriously Serial.

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AndyCap:

of course it took a long time before from that until I had USB and Firewire on my desktop

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AndyCap:

not to mention DSL. :)

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justinh:

and HDMI

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AndyCap:

eeew.

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AndyCap:

hdmi is parallel.

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justinh:

is it?

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AndyCap:

and full of fail.

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justinh:

I thought it was serial

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AndyCap:

SDI!

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AndyCap:

The TMDS signal carries R,G,B and clock through four differential pairs, which occupy 8 pins of a 19-pin connector

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AndyCap:

various licensing agreements, restricting the use of unencrypted digital interfaces to professional equipment, prohibit their use in consumer equipmen

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AndyCap:

Oh come on you bastards.

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AndyCap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Digital_Interface

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justinh:

it's all data, not R G B & clock

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AndyCap:

uh, what?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

It's 4 serial streams in parallel... so It's kinda a bit of both... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

PCIe is the same thing... x1 is one serial stream, x16 is 16...

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AndyCap:

or 8 for dual-link dvi.

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AndyCap:

not sure if PCIe has clock though.

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wagnerrp:

PCIe has a 2500MHz clock

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

And serial was slower than parallel for RS-232 vs a Parallel Port on a PC, sinc the rs-232 port had to swing between +12 and -12v... wheras the parallel port was just +5 and 0v...

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AndyCap:

ho-hum.

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Anusien:

So my XBox360 sees my audio files (.mp3) but says they're not supported and won't play them. I can't find any information on whether this is known or not, except that the XBox360 implements a braindead spec for the UPnP client, and whether an effort is being made to fix it. Anyone knowledable about this?

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GreyFoxx:

Ans: The Xbox360 seems to require something "special" in the upnp response and at this time myth doesn't incloude that in it's upnp implementation

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GreyFoxx:

took me a while to get it even showing the mp3's at all :)

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GreyFoxx:

I just haven't say down to finish that part :)

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Anusien:

GreyFoxx: You need some help getting it to work?

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GreyFoxx:

time more than anything :)

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GreyFoxx:

and of course to plug my xbox can in :)

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GreyFoxx:

?I was more focused on video streaming at the time

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Anusien:

*nod* I understand and blah blah blah, but I kind of want it to work, so I was trying to find whoever the dev responsible was and see if they needed some help. I'm sort of between projects.

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GreyFoxx:

If you want to start packet sniffing between the 360 and a upnp server that works with it such as windows media player

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GreyFoxx:

and compare that to a capture of what myth is sending

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GreyFoxx:

then we can look to see what fields we are or are not sending that it might be wanting

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Anusien:

I know of a UPnP server that does work properly with the xbox, so I can reinstall it and dig some things up. Good excuse to learn packet sniffing, at any rate

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Anusien:

I wonder if I know anyone that has the spec

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 will play content from ushare, and WMP11

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Anusien:

And TVersity

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Anusien:

I got TVersity working just before I switched to Myth

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 is a message when it comes to upnp

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GreyFoxx:

err mess I meant

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GreyFoxx:

too many things in too many windows at once :)

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Anusien:

heh

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Anusien:

I feel like that's something people at MSoft ought ot be able to disclose, since it /IS/ theoretically a standard

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GreyFoxx:

They aren't even consistant within the xbox

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GreyFoxx:

video playback is grabbing content info differently than photos which is again different from audio

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Anusien:

Microsoft's ON the UPnP Steering Committee

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GreyFoxx:

you can even see in the headers of the request they use different libraries for each

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Anusien:

But they've intentionally crippled the XBox before

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GreyFoxx:

like they do now with video playback

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GreyFoxx:

it refuses to play mpeg files via the upnp player

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GreyFoxx:

only from the "media center" bits

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GreyFoxx:

where they have their drm crap all over it :)

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Anusien:

They intentionally omitted quite a few codecs, theoretically to make it easier to support.

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Anusien:

I have yet to find a good way to repackage hi-def mkvs to get them to wrok

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GreyFoxx:

Overall the 360 is a pretty poor media player

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Anusien:

Yeah, but it's the one I own, so I'm committed to make it work

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GreyFoxx:

and frankly, any player I had to alter or tweak the content to play on other than a handheld player would bug me

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Anusien:

or get mouse/keyboard extension cables so I can just use my mythtv player on that tv

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Anusien:

ironically, the mythbox and the xbox are hooked up to the same tv

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GreyFoxx:

Remote ? :)

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Anusien:

the desktop is too big

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Anusien:

Maybe I'll make a fry's try and get a way to extend the mouse/keyboard cables so I can use them and still see the tv

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GreyFoxx:

I meant, use a remote control to control ? That's how most of us control our myth boxes

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Anusien:

or wireless, but how bad :(

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Anusien:

oh. I keep assuming I'm going to move this machine when I get my office set up, so I haven't set up the tuner yet; and the remote's part of the tuner

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happosade:

Whats wrong whit my system: http://paste.ubuntu.com/47348/

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justinh:

it has ubuntu installed on it :D

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happosade:

Gentoo running on there? :D

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justinh:

what appears to be the problem, other than the fact there don't seem to be any recordings, and your opengl is borked

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Anusien:

justinh: Isn't that enough?

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happosade:

this need opengl drivers?

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Anusien:

My question is more how you have a system without them

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justinh:

oh yeah.. the other thing is... running 'mythtv' from a terminal will take you right into livetv

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justinh:

try mythfrontend instead

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justinh:

infact no, try RTFM

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jduggan_:

try wmc

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jduggan_:

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noaxess_kubuntu:

hi all

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noaxess_kubuntu:

for the programguide i use xml grabber.. now all shows have only a title.. no subtitle..

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noaxess_kubuntu:

is there a way to change that in xmltv? so that i see a title and a subtitle.. cause its better to plan a weekly show..

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noaxess_kubuntu:

in the moment i need to manually set the recordings for a single show. like csi:miami

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jduggan_:

/win 11

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Gimpy:

hi all, I'm trying to get lirc from cvs but i keep getting command not found, im using cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@lirc.cvs.sourceforge.net :/cvsroot/lirc login

[18:13:06]

laga_:

you need to install CVS, but i'd *really* recommend that you use lirc as packaged by your distro

[18:13:46]

Gimpy:

i tried that but there is a bug when trying to use mceusb2 mod with it on gentao

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Gimpy:

*gentoo

[18:16:02]

iamlindoro_:

Nonsense

[18:16:10]

iamlindoro_:

There are THOUSANDS of gentoo users using mceusb2

[18:17:09]

Gimpy:

iamlindoro_: ok when i did it i kept getting a fatal error when tryiny to load lirc_mceusb2

[18:17:17]

Gimpy:

you think you can help

[18:17:35]

iamlindoro_:

Sounds like you compiled it against the wrong headers, if I had to guess

[18:17:56]

Gimpy:

i compiled against mceusb2

[18:18:00]

iamlindoro_:

But I don't troubleshoot LIRC because users doing things make me crazy

[18:18:08]

iamlindoro_:

See, you last statement makes my point

[18:18:11]

iamlindoro_:

er your

[18:18:22]

iamlindoro_:

You didn't compile "against" mceusb2

[18:18:46]

Gimpy:

ok, i was in a hurry to get my words out

[18:19:15]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, nope I don't troubleshoot LIRC

[18:19:15]

Gimpy:

i have LIRC_DEVICES="mceusb2" in make.conf

[18:19:33]

iamlindoro_:

and I *certainly* don't troubleshoot it on Gentoo for people who really need to be using a simpler distro

[18:19:50]

iamlindoro_:

I would ask in #gentoo where the other ricers hang out

[18:20:03]

Gimpy:

ok

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whodat:

ricers?

[18:25:04]

iamlindoro_:

whodat: It's common to compare gentoo users to the idiots driving honda civics with spoilers on the back and big exhausts

[18:25:25]

iamlindoro_:

That's not to imply that all gentoo users are that way, but the few pains in the ass ruin it for the rest

[18:25:52]

iamlindoro_:

eg, "I totally cut three seconds off my boot time my changing my CFlags, dude!"

[18:26:20]

laga_:

"i didn't even have to recompile" ;)

[18:26:52]

iamlindoro_:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

Heh, And people say linux is hard. Here's how HD-PVR captures are done in Windows: http://rebkell.net/Capture.JPG

[18:29:43]

iamlindoro_:

Note to self-- if it needs a flow chart, it needs MOAR USR FRENDLY

[18:30:11]

directhex:

iamlindoro, graphedit! 8D

[18:30:37]

directhex:

iamlindoro, of course, you know what gstreamer doesn, right? ;)

[18:31:15]

iamlindoro_:

directhex: Ssshhh, you're raise the "why can't myth just use GStreamer" discussion again

[18:31:18]

iamlindoro_:

er you'll

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directhex:

iamlindoro_, yay! along with a gtk port? no, wait... gtk#!

[18:32:25]

directhex:

iamlindoro, redo the UI using XAML and SilverLight!

[18:32:44]

iamlindoro_:

MOAR CLUTTER

[18:32:58]

directhex:

clutter is for prototyping

[18:33:07]

directhex:

silverlight can actually do some fairly nice stuff for no effort

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iamlindoro_:

Not according to the gloss guy

[18:34:20]

directhex:

python & clutter, or c# and silverlight/tao. pick one!

[18:34:39]

PatrickDK:

I pick silverlight over python :)

[18:37:29]

directhex:

i wonder if the new kde c# bindings could allow for a silverlight myth frontend

[18:37:34]

directhex:

or, much easier, use gmyth

[18:37:49]

directhex:

since glib-based libs can be bound pretty much automatically

[18:39:28]

laga_:

OT: can someone recommend a desktop search engine for kde 3 which is not proprietary (google desktop) and which doesn't make me want to hurt myself (strigi)?

[18:39:56]

PatrickDK:

laga, find :)

[18:40:01]

directhex:

beagle!

[18:40:11]

laga_:

directhex: does that really work?

[18:40:18]

laga_:

no stabby thoughts?

[18:40:28]

directhex:

laga_, well, it might pull in most of gnome...

[18:40:30]

laga_:

no index filling up your hard drive? no segfaults?

[18:40:32]

laga_:

directhex: bah

[18:40:35]

directhex:

laga_, and rely on mono a tad...

[18:40:45]

directhex:

laga_, and have a few hundred apport reports...

[18:40:47]

laga_:

strigidaemon just segfaulted on me again

[18:40:52]

laga_:

gah

[18:41:03]

directhex:

trackerd seems relatively stable. relatively. but again, gnomish

[18:43:48]

laga_:

i seem to remember reports of trackerd slowing down the system.. but ok, that can happen to all indexing thingies.

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laga_:

i'll try strigi again on a 200MB corpus. just my stuff for university.

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laga_:

for the love of god, how can it find 3118 documents when there are only 409 files.

[18:45:46]

directhex:

:)

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directhex:

yay kde!

[18:46:46]

Andrew_Barber:

sweet, people are in the channel now

[18:47:33]

Andrew_Barber:

can anyone recommend a video card that offers hdmi audio + video

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PatrickDK:

I don't believe any videocards offer hdmi audio

[18:50:58]

PatrickDK:

they just have a passthrough port

[18:53:04]

laga_:

directhex: i'll try tracker now. thanks

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directhex:

PatrickDK, ATI ones tend to be full-on sound chips

[18:55:09]

Aspa:

i'm trying to get the PVR 350 fb X driver running but it keep complaining it doesn't support 24 depth.

[18:55:47]

Aspa:

any hints.. i tried almost everything. :(

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slegge:

hey

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directhex:

no devs actually work on 350 fb support anymore, so its stupport is rapidly atrophying.

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Matt:

hey guys

[18:57:54]

Matt:

any recommendations for a cheap low-profile tuner?

[18:58:11]

directhex:

analog, digital, made of toast, etc etc etc?

[18:58:17]

Aspa:

hmm.. not good.

[18:58:22]

Matt:

for occasional recording – basically for those handful of occasions when I Get a scheduling conflict

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iamlindoro_:

a/s/l?

[18:58:32]

Matt:

NTSC, Analog cable

[18:58:39]

directhex:

pvr 150

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directhex:

or whatever they call them now

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slegge:

or pvr500

[18:58:51]

Matt:

are they low profile PCI?

[18:58:59]

slegge:

ohh, not the 500

[18:59:00]

iamlindoro_:

Or if you need something shiny and new, get an HVR-1600

[18:59:09]

directhex:

the 150 comes in low profile form

[18:59:13]

Matt:

the operative word here is cheap :&)

[18:59:17]

mchou:

no, HVR-1600 are problematic

[18:59:26]

iamlindoro_:

no, they're not

[18:59:33]

iamlindoro_:

Both sides work fine with Myth.

[18:59:36]

Matt:

if I were after something shiney and new, I'd prolly be thinking hdhomerun or such

[18:59:43]

iamlindoro_:

Matt: Also a good choice.

[18:59:44]

Aspa:

directhex: so you are saying i better go down a few kernels and get an old supported one?

[18:59:52]

mchou:

tveeprom corrupt header issue still has not been solved

[19:00:09]

mchou:

iamlindoro_: ^^

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directhex:

Aspa, and an old myth release too, probably. nobody cares about the 350 framebuffer given just how lilmited it is

[19:00:13]

Matt:

but I'm looking at something <$100

[19:00:15]

slegge:

http://www.hauppauge.com/Pages/products/data_pvr150mcelp.html

[19:01:11]

mchou:

iamlindoro_: even engineers at connexant and hauppauge are scratching their heads

[19:01:29]

mchou:

best to avoid HVR-1600

[19:01:41]

Matt:

once a week, there's two shows on we want to watch, one of which I want to record, the other my wife wants to record

[19:01:44]

Matt:

neither of us are home

[19:01:59]

Matt:

so rather than argue, I figured it was prolly easiest to look at a second tuner :&)

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mchou:

Matt: yeah. smart

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iamlindoro_:

Matt: If you do get a 150, they are cheaaaaaap on eBay now too

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abqjp:

gee, newegg is already sold out of those 1.5tb drives.

[19:04:34]

mchou:

Matt: right now I'd still recommend pvr150

[19:04:41]

Matt:

aye? I shall have a poke

[19:04:53]

Matt:

I've got a 350 in my backend ATM

[19:05:19]

Matt:

I'm thinking LP cause my main frontend takes LP cards, and is easier to work on

[19:05:24]

Matt:

and I think it'll wol

[19:05:34]

abqjp:

Why not just replace the 350 with a 500?

[19:05:40]

mchou:

Matt: there might be USB versions of HVR that work with fewer issues than HVR-1600, but I have no experience with USB versions

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Matt:

cause a 500 is more expensive than a 150

[19:06:15]

Matt:

and I do use the output of the 350

[19:06:32]

mchou:

yeah, plus this is only a stop gap measure probably too :)

[19:06:33]

slegge:

no room for an additional 500? :p

[19:06:35]

laga_:

directhex: trackerd is teh win. works like a charm

[19:06:43]

Matt:

I could make room

[19:06:47]

Matt:

it's a custom case

[19:07:00]

Matt:

hence why it's easier to fit it to a slave backend

[19:07:13]

Matt:

means I don;t have to buy a riser and drill more holes

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mchou:

custom cases are more a pain than they are worth

[19:07:36]

abqjp:

Matt: you are running fixes, and not trunk, right?

[19:07:37]

dustybin:

Matt: would do you think of mythtv so far?

[19:07:40]

dustybin:

what

[19:07:57]

Matt:

or I could just rehouse the whole damn thing in a new case

[19:08:06]

Matt:

after all, it's ended up living in my basement now

[19:08:10]

abqjp:

but, since you are trying to save money....

[19:08:11]

mchou:

Matt: hehe, bingo

[19:08:27]

Matt:

it's quiet and well cooled ATM tho

[19:08:36]

Matt:

plus it's a mini-itx board

[19:08:41]

mchou:

ugh

[19:08:43]

Matt:

so it's only got 1 PCI slot anyway

[19:09:03]

dustybin:

Matt: is that your frontend

[19:09:24]

Matt:

dustybin, it was built to be a combined frontend/backend box

[19:09:30]

dustybin:

aye ok

[19:09:31]

Matt:

back when I had a basement apartment

[19:09:40]

Matt:

now we have a house

[19:09:47]

Matt:

and a little more space :&)

[19:10:16]

dustybin:

Matt: i have a frontend/backend combo in my bedroom, just build a pxe diskless frontend for downstairs

[19:10:40]

dustybin:

the pxe diskless frontend is the fastest booting machine ive ever witnessed

[19:10:46]

Matt:

ah, see I got a 2GHz celeron in a little min desktop case from work

[19:10:51]

Matt:

when we decomissioned a bunch of stuff

[19:11:04]

Matt:

so I threw in a 250G drive and hooked it up to my network

[19:11:09]

dustybin:

Matt: so your content is SDTV ?

[19:11:16]

** Matt nods **

[19:11:20]

dustybin:

aye same here

[19:11:27]

dustybin:

SDTV FTW :P

[19:11:32]

slegge:

:p

[19:11:33]

Matt:

with cogeco getting HDTV into mythtv is too much like hard work

[19:11:41]

Matt:

and not worth the cost

[19:12:00]

dustybin:

just not worth it here in UK at the moment, maybe one day

[19:12:42]

dustybin:

Matt: what OS you running

[19:12:59]

Matt:

they're knoppmyth based boxes

[19:13:04]

dustybin:

right ok

[19:13:12]

Matt:

largely cause I couldn't be bothered with anything else at the time

[19:13:17]

dustybin:

mythbuntu is also nice, i tried that not long ago

[19:13:25]

Matt:

first myth box I built was on slackware

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dustybin:

but my systems all run debian lenny

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dustybin:

ok

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Matt:

a good few years back now

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clever:

damnit

[19:13:50]

clever:

my frontend is screwing up again

[19:13:56]

clever:

100% cpu usage doing nothing at all

[19:13:56]

Matt:

prolly 5 years ago now

[19:14:09]

dustybin:

clever: you might have a zombie process

[19:14:12]

CCFL_Man2:

Matt: analog cable?

[19:14:22]

PatrickDK:

clever, mine does that all the time, if I pause a show

[19:14:27]

dustybin:

Matt: clever is our inhouse mythtv expert

[19:14:31]

clever:

dustybin: its still responsive and theres no reason for it to spawn processes when in the recording list doing nothing

[19:14:39]

clever:

PatrickDK: its not doing any playback

[19:14:50]

clever:

its constantly redrawing something, causing X to also suck massive cpu

[19:15:11]

dustybin:

clever: thats what happens with you run compiz + wine + mythtv on the same box

[19:15:24]

dustybin:

when

[19:15:24]

clever:

compiz hasnt ran for several reboots

[19:15:26]

clever:

same for wine

[19:15:31]

clever:

try again!

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Matt:

CCFL_Man2, aye

[19:16:01]

** dustybin imagines what kind of disasters would happen if clever was incharge of corporate networks **

[19:16:12]

Matt:

unless there's a cheap QAM tuner you can recommend

[19:16:15]

clever:

my LAN is actualy stable and working fine now

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clever:

better then before

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clever:

no more duplicate lists in every /etc/hosts file

[19:16:55]

clever:

its all in 1 central file on the dns server

[19:16:57]

dustybin:

clever: have you ever done pxe booting?

[19:17:07]

clever:

yes the frontend with the problem is pxe booting

[19:17:16]

dustybin:

whats the problem

[19:17:25]

clever:

the frontend is sucking ~50% of the cpu

[19:17:32]

clever:

and X is sucking the othet 50%

[19:17:33]

dustybin:

what does top show

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dustybin:

and what cpu?

[19:17:42]

clever:

the 2 items i just said

[19:17:45]

clever:

1.6ghz

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dustybin:

celeron?

[19:18:03]

clever:

PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND

[19:18:06]

clever:

5807 root 20 0 175m 65m 7512 R 69.0 13.1 31:31.56 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100

[19:18:09]

clever:

11296 mythtv 20 0 215m 103m 20m R 16.0 20.5 1:08.12 mythfrontend

[19:18:12]

clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz

[19:18:25]

slegge:

Matt: need some sort of CAM with that QAM tuner?

[19:18:45]

dustybin:

clever: what gfx driver you running

[19:18:51]

clever:

dustybin: ati i beleive

[19:19:00]

Matt:

slegge, CAM?

[19:19:03]

clever:

it doesnt normaly do this, its a random bug

[19:19:09]

dustybin:

clever: the open-source or closed source?

[19:19:14]

clever:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02)

[19:19:31]

clever:

Driver "ati"

[19:19:38]

clever:

(open source i beleive)

[19:19:47]

slegge:

Matt: is the digital cable encrypted?

[19:19:57]

dustybin:

clever: check your xorg settings

[19:19:58]

clever:

playbackbox.cpp:1368 updateShowTitles

[19:19:59]

clever:

playbackbox.cpp:885 updateProgramInfo

[19:19:59]

clever:

playbackbox.cpp:725 paintEvent

[19:20:12]

Matt:

slegge, if there's any support for encrypted content, I'd be very intrested

[19:20:22]

clever:

9 patched those files to print the line number when the code runs

[19:20:24]

Matt:

I was largely resigned to just the unencrypted stuff

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clever:

so i can trace the calls

[19:20:35]

clever:

dustybin: its constantly calling those 3 functions non stop

[19:20:38]

mchou:

slegge: you have a cable set top box?

[19:20:40]

dustybin:

Matt: mythtv doesnt support encrypted content

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mchou:

oops

[19:20:50]

Matt:

dustybin, that was what I thought

[19:20:54]

clever:

dustybin: which is causing X to constantly update the frame buffer and suck massive cpu

[19:20:56]

mchou:

Matt: you have a cable set top box?

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Matt:

and I wasn't really expecting there to me any :&)

[19:21:02]

slegge:

mchou: nope, got some dvb-c tuners

[19:21:02]

clever:

(those functions are QPaint related)

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Matt:

mchou, yes, and I'd thought about that route

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mchou:

Matt: just use firewire

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slegge:

dustybin: works fine for me with a conax cam and a legal card :)

[19:21:33]

Matt:

not with this box :&)

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dustybin:

clever: what os?

[19:21:39]

clever:

dustybin: ubuntu 8.04

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mchou:

Matt: path of least resistance

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Matt:

it's got cable in/out, composite out and audio out

[19:22:06]

mchou:

Matt: which model is the box?

[19:22:07]

dustybin:

clever: try re-installing xorg with only the stuff you require

[19:22:24]

mchou:

Matt: oh, you in .ca

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clever:

dustybin: its not the xorg side from what i can see

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clever:

its a flaw in mythfrontend redrawing of the recording list

[19:22:36]

Matt:

motorola dct700

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Matt:

and yes

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dustybin:

clever: make sure your running latest fixes

[19:22:59]

dustybin:

stable

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mchou:

Matt: ask your cableco for dct6200s :)

[19:23:03]

clever:

dustybin: svn trunk

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dustybin:

oh well................

[19:23:10]

clever:

MythTV Version : 18247M

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Matt:

see, I could get a second box, throw it in the basement with the backend and do it that way

[19:23:26]

dustybin:

clever: bugs + trunk = normal

[19:23:34]

Matt:

but that's be an extra $7/mo

[19:23:39]

Matt:

or whatever they charge for the box

[19:23:45]

clever:

and if you help me fix it we can submit a patch so it goes away for everybody:P

[19:23:52]

mchou:

Matt: extra $7 might be worth it

[19:24:16]

dustybin:

clever: before i submit patches one needs to learn how to code

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dustybin:

(and stop being lazy :p )

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Matt:

for something that's probably not going to be worth it

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clever:

!

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** clever attaches gdb! **

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Matt:

there's only really one encrypted channel we watch

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Matt:

and that's BBC Canada

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** dustybin tcp dumps clever packets **

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** clever waits an hour for qt-debug to get loaded... **

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slegge:

why not move the box u got now into the basement?

[19:25:32]

Matt:

cause then my wife would shout at me

[19:25:46]

clever:

playbackbox.cpp:725 paintEvent

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mchou:

Matt: what??

[19:25:47]

slegge:

hard to argue with that

[19:25:50]

dustybin:

Matt: has your wife used mythtv before

[19:25:56]

Matt:

it's got a more usable OSD program guide than mythtv :&)

[19:26:12]

Matt:

dustybin, yup

[19:26:12]

clever:

void PlaybackBox::paintEvent(QPaintEvent *e)

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mchou:

Matt: why would you wife be against moving the box into basement?

[19:26:17]

PatrickDK:

blasphemy

[19:26:20]

Matt:

she rather likes have the frontend on her macbook

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clever:

got a backtrace

[19:26:34]

Matt:

s/have/having/

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Matt:

mchou, she dislikes having the frontend running in the livingroom most of the time

[19:27:24]

Matt:

she only really tolerates it when she's wanting to watch something recorded

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clever:

*lost*

[19:27:33]

clever:

90% of the trace is thru qt libs

[19:27:52]

slegge:

due to noise?

[19:27:55]

Matt:

what I really need is a frontend that's fanless and driveless

[19:28:01]

Wicked:

hello all. im having big issue trying to get my pvr-150's ir blaster working...i cannot seem to get it to work. can anyone help me out?

[19:28:01]

** Matt nods **

[19:28:06]

clever:

i'll just go back to my 264 file and reproduce the bug later

[19:28:09]

Matt:

and the fact it looks like a PC

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Matt:

I toyed around with a handful of ideas

[19:28:40]

Matt:

but she also doesn't want to spend money on it

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clever:

Matt: i have 3 laptops that can network boot(driveless) and can run for a while without the fan(which is nearly silent)

[19:29:01]

laga_:

then spend your money on it ;)

[19:29:12]

clever:

all you need is a hd tv that can accept VGA or a laptop with DVI and you got a frontend!

[19:29:20]

Matt:

clever, yah, but they look like laptops

[19:29:22]

slegge:

mm, i got a antec veris fusion 430 that is virtualy noiseless

[19:29:35]

clever:

Matt: and you can stick it in the tv stand where the STB belongs

[19:29:43]

clever:

then stack dvd's infront so you never see it

[19:29:53]

Matt:

nah, can't stack DVDs in front

[19:29:56]

Matt:

that looks ugly, apparently

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dustybin:

clever: does size matter when it comes to the frontend?

[19:30:08]

clever:

then toss it behind the tv stand

[19:30:13]

slegge:

duct tape the laptop on the back of the tv

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clever:

dustybin: for some it might

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** Matt nods **

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Matt:

see, then I just get the argument that it's "geeky"

[19:30:28]

clever:

slegge: hack the tv open and tape it to the inside!!!

[19:30:36]

slegge:

no room

[19:30:38]

slegge:

:(

[19:30:42]

dustybin:

do women like big or small frontends?

[19:30:44]

Matt:

which is the point when it's not worth arguing any further

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mchou:

lol

[19:30:49]

clever:

slegge: old crt based tv's have lots of empty space inside

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laga_:

clever: ugh

[19:31:23]

laga_:

please dont tell people things that could kill them

[19:31:25]

Matt:

I finally got her used to the idea of using mythtv with the current setup

[19:31:25]

clever:

laga_: did you hear of my UPS wired to 4–5 12v baterys?

[19:31:38]

Matt:

so I'm not going to push it too much

[19:31:47]

clever:

somebody in here said it was going to set fire to the house

[19:31:53]

PatrickDK:

clever, that is normal

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PatrickDK:

my ups runs on 72vdc

[19:32:06]

clever:

PatrickDK: i found a melted wire on it yesterday:P

[19:32:26]

clever:

mine runs at 12v, im putting them in series to get more current or time

[19:32:38]

PatrickDK:

series? you have issues

[19:32:46]

dustybin:

clever: you could put a embedded frontend inside a CRT TV case?

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clever:

dustybin: you could, but you would have noise trouble and maybe some trouble fitting it

[19:33:12]

clever:

and then theres the high voltage that could fry you or the comp

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laga_:

and possible the radiation that could mess up the box

[19:33:34]

PatrickDK:

not if you remove the crt, and install an lcd inside the crt case :)

[19:33:39]

clever:

lol

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clever:

ive seen gutting a lcd panel and mounting it in the side of a desktop

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clever:

that could work for a 1 peice frontend!

[19:34:03]

Matt:

see, the other option is to take Bell up on their offer

[19:34:07]

Matt:

and go with satelite

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clever:

Matt: you still need a ugly external box...

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** Matt nods **

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slegge:

or a dvb tuner

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slegge:

with cam

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slegge:

:D

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Matt:

but then I'd have a box to attach to the backend

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Matt:

see, I like the setup on this frontend

[19:35:10]

Matt:

it works very nicely

[19:35:17]

Matt:

and does my commercial detection at the same time

[19:35:31]

clever:

my recording system is only 400mhz

[19:35:32]

Matt:

cause the M1000 in the basement is a little lacking in horsepower

[19:35:41]

clever:

so it offloads the flagging to all the frontends thruout the house

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** Matt nods **

[19:36:29]

Matt:

I think short of adding another tuner

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dustybin:

i really could do with a proper firewall box in my setup

[19:36:35]

Matt:

the next upgrade will be new disks

[19:36:46]

Matt:

RAIDed disks at that

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slegge:

:)

[19:36:56]

clever:

i have a desktop in my furnace room acting as a firewall/nat for the house

[19:37:14]

dustybin:

clever: what os?

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clever:

linux from scratch

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dustybin:

aye nice

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clever:

ive also got / checked into a private svn repo

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** Matt has a wrt54gl doing that job **

[19:37:57]

clever:

so i can undo any changes to my config files at any time

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clever:

or open up a old .tar and just 'svn update' to the latest copy

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clever:

(incremental updates ontop of the tar)

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slegge:

mm, i backup all my configs daily no

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slegge:

now

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dustybin:

Matt: is that running dd-wrt?

[19:38:43]

slegge:

*

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clever:

i can also svn diff to see what i changed to fix things without nuking all changes

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clever:

and when the drive did finaly fail

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clever:

i unziped the tar

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Matt:

openwrt

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clever:

and half the files where missing!!!

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clever:

mostly ones i didnt put into svn

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dustybin:

im sick to death with shitty proprietary router/firwall firmware

[19:39:49]

dustybin:

crap crap cra

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clever:

so i had to hook up the failing drive and extract peices of that to get 95%

[19:39:49]

dustybin:

p

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clever:

then recompile several packages to finaly fix it

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slegge:

setting up semi advanced firewall rules on dlink routers is time consuming

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slegge:

it reboots after every change

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dustybin:

crap crap crap

[19:40:40]

clever:

thats why i stoped using those thigns

[19:40:46]

dustybin:

ive always wanted a pfsense box, and i shall get one

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slegge:

my server box does nat and routing just fine :)

[19:41:13]

dustybin:

slegge: what does the firewall?

[19:41:34]

dustybin:

(please dont say server box)

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clever:

i have since put a ircd into my router itself

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clever:

2 less hops for all the trafic

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slegge:

right now its a dlink router :\

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clever:

but i wont be giving it any major services since the power is weak

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dustybin:

clever: ive come to the conclusion your stark raving mad :-)

[19:42:27]

clever:

dustybin: why?

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dustybin:

no reason

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laga_:

he is

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dustybin:

clever: i was only joking, carry on talking!!

[19:44:18]

clever:

my UPS was a wire melting machine until today...

[19:44:31]

Matt:

what I do need to do however is upgrade knoppmyth

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Matt:

it's always such a pain tho

[19:44:43]

dustybin:

Matt: test out mythbuntu

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Matt:

cause of the way it does a forklift upgrade

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slegge:

get gentoo

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clever:

ive upgraded ubuntu a few times, its a bit painfull

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Matt:

dustybin, it's a matter of time

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laga_:

use LFS ;)

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clever:

laga_: lfs upgrades sound even more painfull:P

[19:45:09]

laga_:

ACK

[19:45:10]

Matt:

I've got the knoppmyth boxes nicely setup

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Matt:

moving to another distro is a PITA

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slegge:

why upgrade then?

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clever:

something that ive done lately

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dustybin:

theres a thin line between actually learning stuff and wasting time for no reason

[19:45:33]

clever:

my root is on LVM

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clever:

so i can snapshot my entire root before the upgrade

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clever:

when upgrade it

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Matt:

write performance with lvm snapshots is horrendous

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clever:

then*

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clever:

now i can compare the pre/post upgrade systems

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dustybin:

clever: what was the 1st distro you ever used?

[19:46:40]

clever:

dustybin: lnx-bbc(livecd on a mini-cd) followed by redhat9

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dustybin:

ok

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slegge:

btw, any dvb guru's here?

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dustybin:

clever: you tried any bsd varients?

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clever:

dustybin: dont think so, enless i used one of the livecd's and forgot

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

slegge: whats the problem

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Matt:

anyone know is the newer releases of mytharchive/mythtranscode do a better job with audio sync on pvr-x50 recordings with cutlists?

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clever:

dustybin: ive heard something about v4l not working well on bsd types

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dustybin:

Matt: check your audio settings, regarding audio sync

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slegge:

umm, my provider got some Kaon boxes amongs others, and they are using seperate nit tables for each settop box type

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slegge:

afaik

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Matt:

this box is 0.20.2

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slegge:

and i was wondering if it was any way to use that nit table

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dustybin:

Matt: upgrade to .21

[19:49:33]

Matt:

dustybin, I've fiddled with everything I could find details on

[19:49:44]

dustybin:

Matt: you really need to upgrade

[19:49:45]

Matt:

dustybin, hence the asking about newer releases :&)

[19:49:48]

Matt:

see

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dustybin:

Matt: mythbuntu is your friend

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Matt:

<Matt> what I do need to do however is upgrade knoppmyth

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dustybin:

its easy to setup

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laga_:

mytharchive in 0.21 can use projectx. that might work better for ivtv recordings tho

[19:50:14]

Matt:

I don't debate it's easy to setup

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Matt:

it's just then I have to mess with the DB again, setup all the other crap I have the box doing, etc

[19:50:47]

Matt:

it's just a matter of time

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Matt:

maybe when I get new drives for that box

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slegge:

can't u just compile 0.21 from source?

[19:51:32]

Matt:

see previous comment about time :&)

[19:52:06]

slegge:

was a painless upgrade for me as far as i remember

[19:52:21]

Matt:

I'll get round to it at some point

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Matt:

lately I've been too busy fixing broken clients' machines

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slegge:

time is always a problem

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slegge:

ohh, another question

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slegge:

i have three tuners using the same source

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slegge:

one is HD capable, the other two not

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slegge:

any easy way to block the last two from tuning to hd channels?

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slegge:

i killed the channel :)

[20:01:05]

clever:

setup 2 'video sources' with different sets of channels

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clever:

and tie then to the proper tuners

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slegge:

clever: mhm, thats what i'm doing now, but have to scan for epg data on both tuners then

[20:02:07]

slegge:

and i have to set up my extra epg data twice

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clever:

but only have to do all that setup once, then you can forget about it:P

[20:02:52]

slegge:

true

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clever:

i dont know of any better way with the current design

[20:04:33]

slegge:

the problem doing it that was is that i get all the channels twice in the guide, and i have to be carefull when scheduling recordings

[20:04:56]

slegge:

i guess the easiest sollution is to get more HD tuners ;)

[20:05:13]

Matt:

I bet if you had a network connected tuner, such as an hdhomerun, you could virtualize the backend

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Matt:

although that's probably overkill

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slegge:

Matt: ?

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** Matt does a lot of VMware work **

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slegge:

ahh

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dustybin:

i have a tv card what has 2x tuners, i have 2 frontends in my setup, is there a option somewhere what will always make sure that the 2x frontends will use seperate tuners?

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slegge:

i thought it would use the first free tuner

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Anduin:

with a preference for "local" ones, and an option to start backwards to help avoid conflicts

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dustybin:

slegge: my frontend is using the same tuner as my backend when i watch TV and that means im stuck on the same mux

[20:18:52]

dustybin:

its ok if i manually change the input

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dustybin:

im sure there is a option somewhere

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slegge:

but you can't change channel beyond the current mux?

[20:19:23]

dustybin:

nope

[20:19:31]

dustybin:

because both frontends are using the same tuner

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dustybin:

i think mythtv-setup has the answer

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slegge:

i've always imagined that the frontend would switch to the next free tuner in a scenario like that

[20:22:06]

dustybin:

hmmm maybe i need to select a option

[20:22:07]

slegge:

if you find that option Anduin was talking about that might help

[20:22:12]

slegge:

if u set it one one for the frontends

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Matt:

ok, so to go off on a completly different tangent

[20:24:36]

Anduin:

It is in TV Settings -> General a page or two in, avoid conflicts with recordings

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Matt:

any recommendations for DVB-T tuners for use in the UK?

[20:24:51]

dustybin:

Anduin: ive already got that ticked

[20:24:56]

dustybin:

Matt: Nova-T 500

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Matt:

my lil bro has expressed a desire to build a mythtv box for my parents

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dustybin:

dual tuner

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dustybin:

it works perfectly

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slegge:

dustybin, on both frontends?

[20:25:10]

dustybin:

slegge: yes

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dustybin:

i might need to restart

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slegge:

uncheck it opn one fo them

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dustybin:

ok

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slegge:

humpf, typos

[20:25:42]

Matt:

cool

[20:25:44]

Matt:

only 50 quid too

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Matt:

how easy is mythbuntu to setup for a linux newbie

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Anduin:

dustybin: Yeah, I don't think any weight is given to a tuner supporting multi-rec being used

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Matt:

my lil bro isn't too familiar with linux

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iamlindoro_:

As easy as it gets, quite literally

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Matt:

shy of following my instructions

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iamlindoro_:

as in, if you can't make mythbuntu work, better give up

[20:27:29]

Matt:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

They even have a channel here where they enforce some sort of very-not-IRC-appropriate "niceness"

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laga_:

iamlindoro_: yeah. terrible, isn't it?

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laga_:

;)

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iamlindoro_:

laga_: ;)

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Matt:

well I'll pass on the info

[20:29:00]

iamlindoro_:

Matt: in all seriousness, though, a huuuuuuge percentage of the Mythbuntu setup is done without ever even touching a command line-- with standard setups, it may even be 100% possible to do it without the command line

[20:29:30]

iamlindoro_:

the caveat being it would be EXCEEDINGLY wise to pre-read the mythbuntu setup instructions to understand concepts

[20:29:46]

Matt:

well if it were me setting it up, I wouldn't care

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Matt:

but I'm 3500 miles away

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Matt:

so it's kinda hard to look over his shoulder

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slegge:

ssh and screen

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clever:

slegge: are both useless when avoiding cli stuff:P

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Matt:

for an installation isn't always the easiest thing to do :&)

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slegge:

laptop and webcam

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clever:

or just vnc :P

[20:31:19]

Matt:

might I go back to this whole issue of time :&)

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Matt:

and also timezones in this case

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clever:

yeah timezones and other people running out every 5mins because of this thing called a 'life' they have:P

[20:32:12]

clever:

hard to watch/help a noob when he isnt there 80% of the time and its 3am

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clever:

do you wait another 5mins or say screw it?

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Matt:

well it's not going to be 3am here

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Matt:

unless he's doing the install at 8am

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clever:

he could want to get it done before he leaves for work:P

[20:33:28]

Matt:

he's a student

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clever:

he could want to get it done before he leaves for school:P

[20:33:53]

Matt:

university

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slegge:

in wich case he probably should start before 8

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Matt:

and I doubt it

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clever:

2am/7am

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clever:

or maybe earlyer!

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slegge:

that be cutting it short one time

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clever:

or just go after:P

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Matt:

the chances of a uni student volenterily being up at that time in the morning are minimal

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Matt:

unless they've been up all night :&)

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clever:

just sleep thru history

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

so much noise for nothing...

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Matt:

he's a science undergrad at cambridge

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Matt:

I don't think they take history :&)

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slegge:

prehaps he can get it approved as some sort of computer related project?

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slegge:

that way he could do it during daytime

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clever:

join a computing course and make it his project to present to the teacher for extra cred!

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** kormoc wondered if he wondered in #howToGetOutOfSchoolForFunOrProfit **

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slegge:

kormoc: is it posible that a provider uses several NIT tables in order to get a separate talbe for each type of settop box? (DVB-C)

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gbee:

nothing on TV, so I found myself watching CSI – reminded why I don't watch it normally, this one has futuristic computers with holographic displays that can read sim cards just by proximity :D

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iamlindoro_:

Not to mention the total dissimilarity to anything even remotely resembling real police work

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kormoc:

I like the first CSI, the people are fun

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gbee:

yup or the constant description of what they are doing for the audience benefit, because their colleagues don't need to be told for the thousandth time why blood clots etc

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gbee:

or the cheesy dialogue, or constant signposting, or the fact that scientists are out arresting people and carrying guns in the labs, the lack of any real life precautions against cross contamination (do they _ever_ wear overalls, hair nets etc?)

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slegge:

ohh, btw, is there any way to have mythtv tune to a specific channel to gather epg data instead of hopping trough all the channels?

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gbee:

go to it in livetv mode ...

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slegge:

that works

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slegge:

is a hassle though

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slegge:

i thought of setting it to record form the channel for an hour each night too

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gbee:

generally not needed, the active scan gets through them all eventually

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gbee:

slegge: wasn't here earlier, I assume there is a particular reason that the current EIT collection isn't working out as intended?

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slegge:

gbee: umm, not sure. it seems not to populate all channels

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gbee:

slegge: definately long term EIT for those channels? (Instead of now/next) ?

[20:55:06]

slegge:

long term EIT yes

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slegge:

is one or two dedicated EPG channels

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gbee:

and both have the EIT flag set in mythtv-setup (or channels table)?

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gbee:

useonairguide

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slegge:

think so, let me check

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dustybin:

should i switch multi-rec off so my 2x frontends dont use the same tuner?

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kdubois:

i cant get schedulesdirect to run. do i have to scan the channels after putting my password in? (yes, i did run mythfilldatabase)

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slegge:

ahh, that might be the problem. I have two 'video sources' (one with hd channels\one without) and the epg channels was missing from one of those sources

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Wicked:

im suffering from this bug and have no idea what i can do to make my pvr-150 ir blaster work https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/222359

[21:00:55]

slegge:

dustybin: u could try that. i have never used multi-rec so i'm not sure if it will help

[21:02:04]

Anduin:

It will, the recorder will be busy, of course if you actually benefit from multi-rec, disabling live TV always works :)

[21:04:04]

dustybin:

i think i might put another Nova-T 500 in my box

[21:04:55]

dustybin:

otherwise my sister wont be impressed if shes stuck on the same mux

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iamlindoro_:

And then she'll never make out with you

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dustybin:

:-o

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dustybin:

thats better

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dustybin:

it works ok now

[21:09:07]

iamlindoro_:

gbee: holy cow, you've been busy lately

[21:09:15]

dustybin:

i think another tuner is really in order when using 2x frontends

[21:09:28]

dustybin:

2x dual tuners

[21:10:06]

iamlindoro_:

ah, n/m, guess that was mostly a few weeks ago-- guess I haven't been paying attention :)

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gbee:

huh?

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iamlindoro_:

was just reading commit logs

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iamlindoro_:

And my brain mapped your name on to nigel's as I scrolled up, a "duh" moment

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gbee:

heh

[21:19:51]

gbee:

haven't done anything in the last two weeks due to being on holiday :)

[21:27:05]

dustybin:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7617702.stm

[21:28:35]

gbee:

what's so crazy about that is the idea we'll have wall size TVs, how many people have enough space and so little furniture/possessions that they can leave a wall completely free?

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dustybin:

heh

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dustybin:

its ok for cinemas but not for home

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gbee:

aye

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dustybin:

i recording of super hi-vision would take a few TB

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dustybin:

1

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iamlindoro_:

*cough* http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 048393_4sjM9

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kormoc:

gbee, 3 out of 4 walls in my house are entirely empty

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dustybin:

fekkin heck

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gbee:

kormoc: prison cell?

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kormoc:

gbee, nah, just don't own that much stuff

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gbee:

this room alone you've got the door, desk on one wall, book cases/draw units on another, window pretty much takes up most of the third wall and fireplace the fourth

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iamlindoro_:

Eeeee heehee, three more 1 TB drives

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iamlindoro_:

now all we need is decent Television on the air to record on them

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directhex:

can someone make my office imac stop being sick?

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Matt:

iamlindoro_, what manufacturer?

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iamlindoro_:

Matt: Seagate

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gbee:

when I used an 80Gb drive I swore I'd never need anything bigger, then it doubled to 160Gb, then I added 250Gb to give me 410Gb and finally replaced them both with a 1/2 TB ... still not sure I need more, but I guess I'll probably being adding a TB drive soon ;)

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iamlindoro_:

!trout iMac

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** MythLogBot slaps iMac with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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gbee:

starting to hoard some films I recorded, with the changes I'm making to mythvideo it would be a shame to never have a use for the plugin

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iamlindoro_:

gbee: When do you anticipate a mythvideo-mythui merge, anyway?

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gbee:

shouldn't be long now, just have to fix one or two things that could probably wait until after the merge – but I'd rather not have to deal with users complain that something is broken

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gbee:

complaining

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iamlindoro_:

Heh

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iamlindoro_:

janneg: If you are around/awake, did you ever find any solution to the AC3 frame overflow/corruption issue w/ the new ffmpeg sync?

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janneg:

iamlindoro: thanks for reminding, I forgot about it

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kormoc:

gbee, ooh, if you include doors/windows, I only have one entirely blank wall in my bedroom, the rest have windows and doors and the like

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gbee:

well I'm including them because you can't have a wall sized TV with a window in the middle

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gbee:

well you could, but you know what I mean ;)

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Anusien:

ooh

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Anusien:

put the tv in the window!

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abqjp:

janneg: can I get away with applying your ffmpeg sync patch *just* to me FE? Or should it also go on the BE?

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abqjp:

janneg: I always use S/PDIF, so I can find out if that is working with the ffmpeg patch.

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, I have it applied to my frontend only

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iamlindoro:

works without issue

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: you tried it with S/PDIF?

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iamlindoro:

sorry, I just meant applying/using the patch-- haven't tested SPDIF (analog only upstairs)

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: what is the AC3 frame issue you mentioned?

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iamlindoro:

ac3dec/parse complains that AC3 frames are too large, resulting in about once-per-second blatting/bleeping noises-- shouldn't affect passthrough, but fairly noticeable on the channels it affects (and appears to be the present per-channel)

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iamlindoro:

janneg traced it back to a particular ffmpeg revision, but don't think he's gotten to looking at a fix just yet

[22:19:41]

iamlindoro:

That sentence didn't make much sense, hope you got what I meant :)

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abqjp:

So, it would mess up timestretch.

[22:20:07]

iamlindoro:

YMMV-- Would be interested if you saw the same/similar

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abqjp:

I will try it. Hopefully I will have time tonight. Depends on when I get home.

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iamlindoro:

gave janne a sample, he heard it as well, so I'm not crazy :)

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abqjp:

Hey, if janne vouches for you, then....

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janneg:

abqjp: frontend only is safe if they are separate system

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abqjp:

janneg: they are. Thanks.

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janneg:

it's clearly a ffmpeg bug, I just didn't get around fixing or reporting it

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abqjp:

At least it is reproducible. Nothing like tracking down a random problem.

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centrex:

regarding setting up satellite and mythv, is there any way to have mythtv change the channels on a dish receiver? Would it use some type of infrared to do it?

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directhex:

typically, yes

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directhex:

it's called an IR Blaster

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centrex:

directhex, okay, thanks for the tip.

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nordle:

Hi guys, has anyone tested their electricity usage on their frontends/backends? Just wondering what most folks consider acceptible hardware consumption really.

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mchou:

nordle: most ppl are too enamoured with myth to care how much electricity the box consumes

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barlrol:

i have a HD pinanacle usb tuner stick....is analog a different tuner than digital....if so what should i be looking for when im setting up my tv tuner

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mchou:

nordle: but modern proc and mobo with good power mgmt is a must

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mchou:

nordle: cause less power consumed means less heat

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mchou:

nordle: if you're really concerned about power get a pvr set top box from cable co.

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mchou:

cause that barely even registers on my UPS

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nordle:

I built a core2 system for my dad recently, it uses 51watts when idle. My myth box uses 110 idle, rising to 135 livetv. It's not too bad really, considering its a athlon64–3700 754.

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nordle:

mchou: Are you USA/UK/??

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mchou:

nordle: US

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mchou:

nordle: man, 110W idle isnt good

[23:05:38]

mchou:

incandescent light bulb :)

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mchou:

51W is good though

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nordle:

mchou: Do you guys pay your electricity by Kwh? Because over here, with prices going up, its about 25p (50c) per Kwh.

[23:06:37]

mchou:

nordle: yes. charged by kwh

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mchou:

nordle: at least with residential that's how it's done here mostly

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nordle:

mchou: Do you know how much? I'm interested, the US tends to be cheaper for quite a lot of energy/resource compared to UK.

[23:07:38]

mchou:

nordle: sometimes it pays to upgrade your box :)

[23:08:48]

mchou:

nordle: it varies from state to state. There is also funkiness like tiering (pay higher/kwh if your usage goes above a certain amount)

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Aval0n:

guys if in my hosts.deny I have ALL:ALL and in my hosts.allow I have sshd : myhost.com : allow I should be golden correct?

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mchou:

But I'd guess the average is $0.10 to $0.20 /Kwh

[23:10:41]

mchou:

oh wait a sec

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mchou:

maybe that's wh. hmm. cant remeber any more

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nordle:

Its my previous PC, built in 2004. I wasn't really sure if mythtv was going to be for keeps, so when I built new pc in 2006 I figured a new case and tuner card was all Id spend. It's been excellent, but I'm just wondering if maybe... mmm, It annoys me, this mobo doesnt do Suspend to RAM well either. My core2 uses 0.4watts in STR mode, and takes 2–3 seconds to boot my last desktop. Dont think I've actually turned it

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nordle:

off in a month. Which would be great for myth. fail on that too.

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mchou:

remember*

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mchou:

nordle: I actually think you save on TCO with newer proc/mobo

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mchou:

the disavantage with newer mobo is fewer PCI slots :(

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nordle:

We have tiered too, but 20–25p aint far off. mchou, maybe, but then, agp ddr1, pata ---> pcix, ddr2, sata = moola :)

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mchou:

nordle: indeedy

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mchou:

but there is no need to go sata

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mchou:

just put in a pata card (if you have a slot)

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mchou:

I mean assuming you have the PATA drives already

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nordle:

true, current 200gb wd is a bit noisy + small :) 1tb samy drive about $160 (£85).

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mchou:

yeah, more capacity is always nice

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mchou:

nordle: what are you using to measure power consumption?

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mchou:

nordle: kill-a-watt?

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nordle:

Id like My myth box also acts as a backup for main machine, samba with encrypted fs in case it does missing. Currently this is done by _another_ box, xp-1600 with 200watt psu.

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nordle:

mchou: The measure thingy is a plugin device, measures Watts, Amps whatever.

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mchou:

nordle: yeah, sound like something similar to kill-a-watt

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nordle:

If i did get a new box, theres loads of PCU's with >=85% efficiency too.....tempting.... no, bad, must wate for something to blow up first.

[23:20:03]

nordle:

PCU's = PSU's

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mchou:

nordle: I'm actually kind of surprised to hear you A64 consumes so much power when idle

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nordle:

Really? Its a Clawhammer chip, in fact the fastest 754 chip they made, TDP around 130.

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mchou:

nordle: what PSU you got now?

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mchou:

nordle: oh, never mind then :)

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mchou:

my A64 has TDP of 65

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nordle:

Tagan 480w. Cost around $200 at the time, got great reviews everywhere. But my old mans Antec, $100, is more efficient now because its 4 years newer tech.

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mchou:

well, the question is how much more efficient

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barlrol:

anyone answer my question i had to reboot ^^^^

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mchou:

I mean if old is 75% and new is 85 I'm not so sure that'd be worth it

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nordle:

mchou: You probably got a 45nm AM2 A64. I got old school :)

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nordle:

130nm

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mchou:

nah, I dont have AM2. It's the last 754 :)

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mchou:

or just damn near lst off the line

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mchou:

last*

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barlrol:

is analog and digital both different tuners on a HD tuner card?

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nordle:

mchou: True. Without actually building the exact thing I'd build, not gonna know how much difference. And now you got Atom chips, VIA's new replacement for C7 kicks Atom's arse and has a TDP of 25w. Woudlnt want to encode with any of them, but still.

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nordle:

barlrol: depends on card, whats the card?

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nordle:

Actually forget that, they got to be different tuners.

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mchou:

no, there are such things as hybrid tuners

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mchou:

either analog or digital, but not both at the same time

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mchou:

so it really depends on the tuner(s) that are on the card

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barlrol:

its a pinnacle HD usb stick

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barlrol:

let me get you link

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mchou:

I have no experience with that one

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mchou:

nah, not really intrested in perusing linky either

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mchou:

you can read it and tell us :)

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barlrol:

ok well like in the myth tv setup where i choose a tuner, theres a lot of different options including analog....what should i be looking for if its digital?

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barlrol:

OTA digital tuning (ATSC/8VSB)

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barlrol:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacle . . . ro_USB_Stick

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mchou:

damn. that cards looks like troble

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mchou:

trouble*

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barlrol:

i got analog to work correctly from the cable from the wall...but i tried to get some air channels and i couldnt really get anything

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barlrol:

and im near a big city...so im thinking there must be some digital air channels or something....i know nothing about over the air tv

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

you got an antenna?

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barlrol:

yes sir

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barlrol:

didnt pick up shit for analog though

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** barlrol doesnt undestand **

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mchou:

lol

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mchou:

then antenna or card isnt working

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barlrol:

this card has the same chipset as the Hauppage hvr 950 usb

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barlrol:

if that helps

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mchou:

if it doesnt even pick up analog stations, forget about digital

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nordle:

Well, before my myth box runs out of space again, better actually watch motorbikes racing and use the damn thing rather than just talk about it and tinker with it :)

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mchou:

chipset doesnt help

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mchou:

it's the tuner

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nordle:

cheers, laters.

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mchou:

i'm rather dubious a USB stick would have two tuners

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mchou:

most likely usbstick is using hybrid tuner

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mchou:

get analog or digital but not both at the same time

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barlrol:

ok

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barlrol:

mchou: here are my options to choose from

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barlrol:

analog dtv tuner box, mjpeg capture card, mpeg-2 encoder card, dvb dtv capture card, firewire cable box, usb mpeg4 encoder box, and hdhomerun dtvtunerbox

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Aval0n:

anyone ever had an issue in here with hosts.allow not working with hostnames?

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barlrol:

analog worked for cable plugged in from the wall

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