| Sunday, September 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | Andrew_Barber: | i've never seen one...i just thought i'd ask |
| [00:00:36] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: If you were well read and can walk and chew gum at the same time you'd figured out myth and linux + CableCard = no worky |
| [00:00:45] | mchou: | like not ever |
| [00:01:26] | Andrew_Barber: | just because it doesn't work with linux doesn't mean no one has ever used it |
| [00:01:30] | xand: | ARGH |
| [00:02:11] | PatrickDK: | hdhomerun that uses cablecards? |
| [00:02:13] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: that much is true, but why not post on a MCE forum where more ppl are likely to have used it? |
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| [00:02:39] | Andrew_Barber: | i always have this channel open, so i thought i'd give it a shot |
| [00:02:47] | mchou: | Andrew_Barber: you're barking up the wrong tree |
| [00:03:08] | Andrew_Barber: | k |
| [00:03:29] | mchou: | sigh.... |
| [00:03:31] | Maliuta: | "I thought I'd give it a shot" == "I am too lazy/stupid to actually do anything myself, I want you to hand it to me on a silver platter" |
| [00:03:57] | mchou: | Man loses precious jewelry on a dark street..... |
| [00:04:21] | mchou: | he tells another passerby he lost heirloom. |
| [00:04:29] | mchou: | passerby helps him search |
| [00:04:56] | mchou: | passerby asks man "why are you searching only that area?" |
| [00:05:12] | Andrew_Barber: | omfg |
| [00:05:16] | Andrew_Barber: | take it easy guys |
| [00:05:18] | mchou: | man replies: Cause this is the only part of the street that's lit" |
| [00:05:34] | Andrew_Barber: | excellent parable mchou |
| [00:05:37] | Andrew_Barber: | well done |
| [00:05:42] | Andrew_Barber: | i am sorry |
| [00:06:16] | Andrew_Barber: | all future questions will be related to compiling myth from svn |
| [00:09:06] | SlicerDicer: | mchou: db problem caused mythbackend to crash computator |
| [00:09:16] | mchou: | SlicerDicer: for real?? |
| [00:09:20] | SlicerDicer: | yep |
| [00:09:23] | SlicerDicer: | caused hardshutdown |
| [00:09:32] | mchou: | lol |
| [00:09:36] | mchou: | that's crazy |
| [00:10:16] | mchou: | DB shouldnt turn power off to computer :) |
| [00:10:38] | mchou: | That's just wrong. |
| [00:10:40] | SlicerDicer: | dunno |
| [00:10:46] | SlicerDicer: | nuked the db |
| [00:10:51] | SlicerDicer: | restored the record stuff |
| [00:10:53] | SlicerDicer: | and its been fine |
| [00:11:09] | mchou: | SlicerDicer: well, at least it now works |
| [00:11:15] | SlicerDicer: | aye |
| [00:14:57] | ** Gumby also figued out his issues with stuttering video ** | |
| [00:15:05] | Gumby: | it was actually the audio buffering |
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| [00:24:51] | ShdwShinobi: | psm321, are you around? |
| [00:28:54] | GreyFoxx: | http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/13/2033222 |
| [00:29:03] | GreyFoxx: | Man would I love to see that day come :) |
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| [00:30:53] | Gumby: | "IT Boss" is way too broad of a term. Not all "IT Bosses" are developers |
| [00:31:06] | xand: | so, apparently my nova-t 500 "usb" TV tuners unplugged themselves... impressive considering they're soldered on the circuit board and don't have plugs |
| [00:31:09] | Gumby: | not do they manage developers |
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| [00:31:20] | Gumby: | not/nor |
| [00:31:28] | xand: | nova-t 500 really is a POS card |
| [00:31:47] | Gumby: | xand: my nova-s is also. cant switch my diseqc properly |
| [00:31:59] | xand: | my original nova-t works great though |
| [00:32:11] | xand: | not sure what hauppauge were smoking when they came up with the 500 |
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| [00:32:56] | xand: | guess I can't blame mythtv for things not being recorded |
| [00:33:42] | GreyFoxx: | Gumby: No, and most of those things are common *nixadmin skills |
| [00:34:02] | xand: | Gumby: never tried any satelite stuff |
| [00:34:09] | GreyFoxx: | and generally I agree that you canlt realy manage what you don't understand |
| [00:34:19] | Gumby: | GreyFoxx: I do agree with that |
| [00:34:43] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: most IT bosses are CFO's |
| [00:35:06] | Gumby: | I just think that "IT" is way to broad of a term to say that all IT Bossess should have developer skills. |
| [00:35:12] | mchou: | I mean when it comes right down to where the buck finally stops |
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| [00:35:52] | Gumby: | allthough, the article does say "with the help of google" |
| [00:36:01] | GreyFoxx: | Gumby: I consider what that describes as basic scdripting skills, not really developer skills |
| [00:36:23] | Gumby: | "with the help of google" even someone not having a clue should be able to figue it out |
| [00:37:11] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: seriously, if I had a boss that could pull down hello world from mysql I'd consider myself lucky that he is at least in the same ball park :) |
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| [00:38:06] | mchou: | cause you need mojo to to perl and mysql, probably even mor than C :) |
| [00:38:10] | mchou: | more* |
| [00:38:35] | wagnerrp: | you would be happy if he could type 'select "hello world";'? |
| [00:39:21] | mchou: | wagnerrp: first he'd need access credentials to the DB :) |
| [00:39:33] | mchou: | that would be mojo right there :) |
| [00:41:09] | mchou: | and in any case, I'm not saying IT bosses dont need need scripting skills, but they get paid for the high level stuff, not low level stuff |
| [00:41:46] | mchou: | any fool can write a script but not any fool can fix an organization |
| [00:41:48] | wagnerrp: | they need some amount of programming ability, so they know what they can expect out of their employees |
| [00:43:01] | mchou: | wagnerrp: if you think bosses knew more than you regarding low level stuff you've been conned |
| [00:43:28] | wagnerrp: | im not saying more than me, im just saying they understand what im doing |
| [00:43:53] | mchou: | I forgot who said it, maybe JP Morgan. "I can hire the best researchers" :) |
| [00:43:54] | ** GreyFoxx starts LiveTv and see's what happens ** | |
| [00:44:03] | GreyFoxx: | yay it worked heh |
| [00:44:26] | wagnerrp: | but if you just hire researchers, and tell them 'get to researching', your not going to end up with worthwhile results |
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| [00:45:27] | mchou: | True that. but most bosses have more than a cluestick than say "jus go do some research" |
| [00:45:33] | mchou: | just* |
| [00:46:15] | wagnerrp: | but in order to have a clue how to manage them, you have to understand what theyre doing at least to some degree |
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| [00:46:40] | mchou: | wagnerrp: that's clearly how things do not work in the US |
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| [00:47:02] | mchou: | especially in large corporations |
| [00:47:10] | GreyFoxx: | which I think is the point of the article |
| [00:47:11] | Decepticon: | how many different versions are there for the pvr150, which is the one that is sold with a windows mce remote? |
| [00:47:12] | mchou: | maybe elsewhere, sure. |
| [00:47:16] | wagnerrp: | which is why IT is always over-budget and past schedule |
| [00:47:22] | mchou: | but not in US |
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| [00:48:32] | Decepticon: | where do i find exactylt this bundle: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116631 |
| [00:48:54] | Decepticon: | it has the windows mce remote in it, and no fm capability |
| [00:48:59] | wagnerrp: | ebay |
| [00:49:15] | Decepticon: | how much should i pay for it wagnerrp? |
| [00:49:26] | mchou: | Decepticon: seriously, dont get too wrapped up about the remote |
| [00:49:39] | Decepticon: | mchou i like the remote |
| [00:49:46] | wagnerrp: | you really shouldnt buy used computer equipment |
| [00:49:47] | mchou: | Decepticon: you can use any old remote |
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| [00:49:56] | mchou: | wagnerrp: why not? |
| [00:50:04] | Decepticon: | wagnerrp i got no choice, i cant seem to find pvr150 new |
| [00:50:27] | wagnerrp: | Decepticon: get a 1600 |
| [00:50:39] | mchou: | Decepticon: I'll sell you mine with remote :) |
| [00:50:47] | Decepticon: | wagnerrp i cant deal with new hardware and figuring out driers |
| [00:50:47] | wagnerrp: | im just typically not a fan of buying computer hardware off ebay |
| [00:50:50] | Decepticon: | *drivers |
| [00:50:59] | mchou: | fleabay sucks |
| [00:51:01] | wagnerrp: | i dont trust other people |
| [00:51:01] | Decepticon: | mchou you have a pvr150 with mce remote? |
| [00:51:15] | mchou: | but electronics surplus, they're great |
| [00:51:22] | Decepticon: | mchou how much will you sell it for |
| [00:51:24] | mchou: | Decepticon: I have several |
| [00:51:32] | wagnerrp: | Decepticon: the 1600 basically has a 150 on the card |
| [00:51:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, most ivtv cards anymore 'just work' |
| [00:51:50] | wagnerrp: | the driver install should take care of everything |
| [00:52:05] | Gimpy: | need help runnining a script, I have it saved to /usr/bin/removecommercials, what schedualing options should i set, don't transcode etc? |
| [00:52:10] | Decepticon: | wagnerrp im really not inclined on experimenting, it took me like months to settle on pvr150 being supported, im paranoid about what will work/wont work on my distro |
| [00:52:17] | Decepticon: | and how much time ill have to invest on making it work |
| [00:52:27] | wagnerrp: | for a used 150, i doubt i would pay more than $25 |
| [00:52:42] | mchou: | Decepticon: man, just go get a 1600 |
| [00:52:48] | Decepticon: | why? |
| [00:52:49] | wagnerrp: | considering several years ago, i bought a pair for $60 new |
| [00:53:11] | mchou: | Decepticon: what do you mean why? |
| [00:53:28] | Decepticon: | why should i 'just go get a 1600' |
| [00:53:29] | mchou: | Decepticon: pvr-x50 is for SD. |
| [00:53:40] | mchou: | you need all that HD glory |
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| [00:53:47] | Decepticon: | im doing fine with SD |
| [00:53:52] | mchou: | even if your TV is SD |
| [00:54:01] | Gimpy: | psm321: you in here again? |
| [00:54:02] | mchou: | cause the pq will still be better |
| [00:54:12] | Decepticon: | and like i said, im not really looking forward to 2 weeks trying to make new hardware to work with my distro |
| [00:54:15] | psm321: | hi |
| [00:54:21] | mchou: | Gimpy: why, you gonna spank hin? |
| [00:54:34] | mchou: | him* |
| [00:54:47] | psm321: | ShdwShinobi: here now |
| [00:55:04] | mchou: | Decepticon: lol. You'd need to spend 2 wks with the remote alone :) |
| [00:55:14] | Gimpy: | psm321: hi my test recording worked but now im trying to run an "auto" script to delete commercials |
| [00:55:17] | mchou: | never mind the rest of the HW |
| [00:55:29] | Gimpy: | psm321: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Removing_Commercials |
| [00:55:31] | psm321: | Gimpy: so you have everything else working now? |
| [00:55:33] | Decepticon: | mchou are you telling me a 1600 would be easier to deal with than a pvr150+ mce remote? |
| [00:55:56] | psm321: | Gimpy: i would use myth for a few weerks before you start doing that... the commercial detection isn't perfect |
| [00:56:05] | mchou: | Decepticon: no, I'm telling you all remotes are like that if you have to configure lirc :) |
| [00:56:14] | psm321: | Gimpy: and unless you're burning off the shows or really short on disk space, theres no point to removing the commercials |
| [00:56:28] | Gimpy: | psm321: it appears to be i have only tried single recordings and i don't have false recordings showing up any moree |
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| [00:56:32] | Decepticon: | but dont i have to do this for any remote i would get? |
| [00:56:43] | mchou: | Decepticon: if you dont have to go thru lirc then it's no big deal |
| [00:56:53] | psm321: | the remote stuff isnt that bad if you get a popular one |
| [00:56:53] | Decepticon: | so whats wrong with getting the mce remote then, if every remotes the same process to make it work (lirc) |
| [00:57:02] | mchou: | there are remotes that do Xeveent |
| [00:57:10] | mchou: | Xevent* |
| [00:57:12] | Decepticon: | Xevent? |
| [00:57:19] | mchou: | yup |
| [00:57:21] | Decepticon: | Xevent > lirc ? |
| [00:57:35] | mchou: | for configuration they are simpler |
| [00:57:43] | Decepticon: | then which remote do you suggest for htat purpose |
| [00:57:51] | Gimpy: | psm321: the reason i want to get rid of comm's is because everyone hates commercials and i like to maximike my storage space |
| [00:57:52] | Decepticon: | (and what is the deal with 1600 vs pvr150?) |
| [00:58:14] | Gimpy: | that should me maximize not maximike |
| [00:58:14] | mchou: | Decepticon: wher you live? |
| [00:58:19] | mchou: | where* |
| [00:58:20] | Decepticon: | i live in florida |
| [00:58:36] | wagnerrp: | Decepticon: mainly, its hard to recommend EOLd hardware |
| [00:58:43] | mchou: | Decepticon: near civilization? not in the keys or ? |
| [00:58:54] | Decepticon: | yeah im near civilaization, gainesville |
| [00:59:04] | mchou: | Decepticon: so here's what you do |
| [00:59:18] | mchou: | go to your local CC, pick up 1600 |
| [00:59:29] | mchou: | play w/it for 2 wks |
| [00:59:34] | mchou: | or whatever |
| [00:59:46] | mchou: | befor the store return policy expires |
| [00:59:54] | psm321: | Decepticon: i think lirc is fine (just to throw an other opinion in there) |
| [00:59:56] | mchou: | if you get it working, keep it |
| [01:00:09] | Gimpy: | psm321: do i need upnp to stream thaugh dlink dsm-320? |
| [01:00:10] | mchou: | if not, return it |
| [01:00:15] | Decepticon: | good idea |
| [01:00:20] | psm321: | question for everyone, are the 1600 et. al usable as just regular ntsc tuners too? |
| [01:00:27] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: yes |
| [01:01:06] | Gimpy: | psm321: from what i read on the linux wiki i'd say yet but what i see from ivtv is the driver is still bta |
| [01:01:11] | Gimpy: | *beta |
| [01:01:48] | Decepticon: | but hardware wise, how supported is the 1600 vs the pvr 150 (on something like mythbuntu) |
| [01:02:05] | Decepticon: | from my expectations, pvr150 seems ready to work out the box |
| [01:02:24] | psm321: | Gimpy: unless you are really low on storage space right now, you should wait a while and get 1) more familiar with myth so you know how to do more advanced stuff and 2) make sure you are happy with commercial detection |
| [01:02:26] | Decepticon: | can you say something better about the 1600 |
| [01:02:27] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: thanx, i have a few more config question, is there a way to tell mythtv to allow max 3 tuners for record and max 3 tuners for watching live TV |
| [01:02:31] | mchou: | yup, it works outta box with any recent kernel |
| [01:02:39] | Decepticon: | mchou thats great |
| [01:02:45] | mchou: | pvr 150, that is |
| [01:02:51] | Decepticon: | oh |
| [01:03:05] | psm321: | yeah pvr 150 will probably be an easier out of the box experience |
| [01:03:12] | psm321: | but you'll be limited to analog stuffs |
| [01:03:27] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: no, all tuners are for recording, livetv is just watching a recording as you are recording it |
| [01:03:34] | mchou: | 1600 you will have to tweak a bitbut it's hardly rocket science |
| [01:03:40] | Gimpy: | psm321: ok, the reason im asking right now is so i can test the script to see if i am happy wieh it |
| [01:03:54] | wagnerrp: | but there is no way to dedicate a tuner for livetv |
| [01:03:59] | Decepticon: | mchou thats what i always hear and then i go buy a piece of hardware and im completely lost (case in point: my wifi card) |
| [01:04:00] | psm321: | Gimpy: you can use the commercial detection without removing commercials |
| [01:04:14] | mchou: | Decepticon: which wifi card you get? |
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| [01:05:20] | Decepticon: | mchou this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839121008 |
| [01:05:21] | Gimpy: | psm321: with multipule tuner cards, is there a way to tell myth tv max 3 tuners for record and max 2 tuners for watching live Tv |
| [01:05:38] | GreyFoxx: | nope |
| [01:05:53] | Decepticon: | mchou theres so many recommendations for 'out of the box' |
| [01:06:03] | Decepticon: | i guess debian isnt so good for this kind of stuff |
| [01:06:07] | psm321: | Gimpy: didnt you read what wagnerrp just told you? |
| [01:06:24] | mchou: | Decepticon: no experience with that wifi. What chipset does it use? |
| [01:06:34] | Decepticon: | rt2561 |
| [01:06:36] | Gimpy: | psm321: i may have missed that |
| [01:06:53] | psm321: | [21:03] <wagnerrp> Gimpy: no, all tuners are for recording, livetv is just watching a recording as you are recording it |
| [01:07:03] | psm321: | [21:03] <wagnerrp> but there is no way to dedicate a tuner for livetv |
| [01:07:42] | mchou: | why anyone would want to watch live on myth is another story |
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| [01:07:56] | psm321: | eh i do that (rarely tho) |
| [01:08:08] | mchou: | cause you can watch live enen w/o myth, you know :) |
| [01:08:08] | Huijari: | mee too |
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| [01:08:16] | mchou: | even* |
| [01:08:16] | psm321: | mchou: cant pause, rewind |
| [01:08:17] | Huijari: | but rarely as well :) |
| [01:08:51] | Decepticon: | mchou so how much will you sell me that pvr150 for |
| [01:08:54] | mchou: | psm: timeshift is superset of live |
| [01:08:58] | Decepticon: | mchou with the mce remote |
| [01:09:00] | Gimpy: | psm, psm321, hypotheticly then if i have 3 dual tuners then if and someone records 5 simultainus shows on different channels then only 1 could watch livetv |
| [01:09:10] | psm321: | mchou: huh? |
| [01:09:13] | mchou: | Decepticon: pm me and we can discuss it |
| [01:09:40] | psm321: | psm321: that's right (unless one of the things you wanted to watch was what was recording) |
| [01:09:43] | Huijari: | mchou: but one already has myth for recording, what's the point in avoiding watching livetv with it? :) |
| [01:09:49] | Huijari: | +if |
| [01:09:54] | psm321: | gah that was for Gimpy |
| [01:09:59] | mchou: | psm321: I'm saying just record everything :) |
| [01:10:23] | psm321: | mchou: yeah, except sometimes i'm watching something i'm not interested in keeping |
| [01:10:31] | psm321: | mchou: and my livetv is higher quality |
| [01:10:52] | psm321: | mchou: but anyways, i do "record everything" pretty much, probably to a much greater extent than you meant :) |
| [01:11:23] | psm321: | Gimpy: i understand what you want, but i dont know how you would do it, and if wagnerrp said you can't i have no reason to doubt him |
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| [01:12:48] | wagnerrp: | well my saying you cant is because i dont have any idea how you could |
| [01:12:59] | wagnerrp: | and it doesnt seem in keeping with the general use of mythtv |
| [01:13:26] | psm321: | Gimpy: so there ya go, maybe it's possible but neither of us now how you would do it |
| [01:13:28] | mchou: | You probably could with card priorities |
| [01:13:38] | psm321: | i've thought that it would be a good thing to have too |
| [01:13:47] | mchou: | but I dont watch any livetv so dont ask me |
| [01:14:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont think it would be worthwhile at all to have |
| [01:14:30] | psm321: | disagree with you there but whatever :) |
| [01:14:32] | wagnerrp: | at most, if you go into livetv and all tuners are in use, it could ask you what current recording you want to cancel |
| [01:14:49] | psm321: | hmm |
| [01:15:09] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to prevent a tuner from being usable for recording |
| [01:15:39] | psm321: | good point |
| [01:15:50] | clever: | what about having it in use by another program? |
| [01:16:02] | psm321: | maybe not ideal for a multi-user system, but myth isn't really setup to be multi-user too well right now anyways |
| [01:16:06] | clever: | if some noob is using tvtime to get a game console on screen:P |
| [01:17:00] | psm321: | clever: well if its in use when mythtv starts trying to record i think it'll fail |
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| [01:17:10] | psm321: | clever: otherwise you can go stop the recording in myth |
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| [01:17:28] | psm321: | clever: and if you never want myth to use it, just dont configure it in myth :) |
| [01:17:44] | mchou: | clever: by the noob at bttv and leave it out of myth :) |
| [01:17:54] | mchou: | s/at/a |
| [01:19:14] | clever: | i added my bttv as a 2nd tuner so i could solve some conflicts:P |
| [01:19:29] | psm321: | i still dont see the harm (other than dev time) in providing the feature tho... i'm always in the "more options" school |
| [01:19:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and besides, if you're watching LiveTV, and myth wants to start a recording on that card, you're prompted via an on-screen prompt on what you want to do... |
| [01:19:50] | clever: | yep ive seen it |
| [01:19:58] | psm321: | and myth is generally pretty good at that... a lot of things have changed since i first started using myth but theres almost always an option to bring back the old behavior |
| [01:20:10] | clever: | ive also configured a timeout on my livetv so if i dont do anything for x minutes it stops on its own |
| [01:20:28] | psm321: | clever: is that a config option? |
| [01:20:28] | clever: | the option exists, its just not im the ui |
| [01:20:32] | psm321: | ah |
| [01:21:32] | clever: | | value | data | hostname | |
| [01:21:33] | clever: | | LiveTVIdleTimeout | 45 | NULL | |
| [01:21:37] | clever: | in the settings table |
| [01:22:02] | clever: | it helps to stop you from recording 15 hours of livetv when you walk away |
| [01:22:17] | clever: | or if your noob father shuts the tv off without stoping mythtv:P |
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| [01:29:18] | Decepticon: | hm so the pvr150-mce comes with no remote? |
| [01:30:29] | Decepticon: | if i wanted to buy everything, so that i have everything to make it work, i'd buy the pvr150 retail (which comes with the ir blasters and all that ANd a remote?) |
| [01:31:31] | mchou: | Decepticon: yeah, I think that's the case |
| [01:31:58] | Decepticon: | but theres a pvr150 MCE kit, which comes with the MCe remote and all the blasters/transmitters too |
| [01:32:10] | mchou: | mchou: the KIT comes with all the stuf |
| [01:32:29] | mchou: | there is a version that doesnt come with all the stuff |
| [01:32:37] | wagnerrp: | its likely when you buy off ebay, you wont get all that stuff |
| [01:32:42] | Decepticon: | yea, the pvr150-mce is the one thats only the card |
| [01:32:48] | Decepticon: | the pvr150 MCE KIT, is everytrhing |
| [01:32:56] | Decepticon: | kit is the important word |
| [01:33:04] | mchou: | yup |
| [01:33:30] | mchou: | pvr-mce I dont think includes all stuff in kit |
| [01:33:57] | Decepticon: | the pvr-mce is only the card, and it has fm and rca audio inputs |
| [01:34:05] | mchou: | and then there is just the pvr150 rtl version: comes with another remote |
| [01:34:12] | Decepticon: | whereas the kit one and the retail one do not |
| [01:34:13] | psm321: | just ask the ebay seller what it comes with :) |
| [01:34:18] | mchou: | lol |
| [01:34:28] | Decepticon: | mchou you let me know whats the case, im looking on ebay as well though |
| [01:34:42] | mchou: | or better yet, go to the hauppauge site, if they have all that stuff on there |
| [01:34:53] | mchou: | still |
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| [01:37:17] | jheizer: | Hey, having some fun with HD recordings and seek table data |
| [01:37:32] | sphery: | corrupt seektables? |
| [01:37:33] | jheizer: | first 20–30 minutes is fine, then after that the skip is all messed up |
| [01:37:54] | sphery: | Have you run optimize_mythdb.pl , yet? |
| [01:38:02] | jheizer: | just rebuilt all my myth machines |
| [01:38:15] | sphery: | still doesn't hurt to run it |
| [01:38:24] | jheizer: | hmm, not sure if I have recently, run Knoppmyth 5.5 if that has it run auto |
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| [01:38:34] | sphery: | don't know Knopp |
| [01:38:34] | Decepticon: | "1 meter IR transmitter cable." what is this? |
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| [01:38:50] | jheizer: | but, mostly was wondering if it can be from having the DB on a different machine than the MBE |
| [01:38:51] | Decepticon: | it conencts the ir transmitter to the pc? |
| [01:39:02] | jheizer: | biggest change over new hardware |
| [01:39:10] | jheizer: | in actual myth config |
| [01:39:29] | sphery: | Decepticon: I'd guess it's a cable with an IR transmitter. A transmitter is an IR LED that does /not/ send a strong omnidirectional signal. What does send the strong omnidirection signal is an IR blaster. |
| [01:39:44] | sphery: | (Though most people aren't good at using the proper terminology.) |
| [01:40:01] | Decepticon: | i dont really need a IR blaster if dont have a cable set top box, do i? |
| [01:40:06] | sphery: | (Actually, technically, a transmitter /could/ be a blaster, but not all transmitters are blasters.) |
| [01:40:21] | Decepticon: | i just need the IR transmitter to make the remote work, right? |
| [01:40:24] | sphery: | if you don't need to control anything with IR, you don't need an IR transmitter. |
| [01:40:38] | sphery: | IR receiver is for receiving a signal from an IR remote. |
| [01:41:23] | sphery: | jheizer: did you do a database import from the old DB? How did you "rebuild" your machines? |
| [01:41:30] | Decepticon: | so why do i keep seeing transmitter/blaster being bounced around on webpages |
| [01:41:36] | Gumby: | Decepticon: ir transmitter is for if you have a cable box and you need mythtv (or any other app) to change channels on it. it acts as a remote and sends ir signals to the cable box |
| [01:42:09] | sphery: | Decepticon: a lot of people use IR transmitters for controlling a) cable/satellite STB's, b) A/V receivers/pre-amps, c) TV sets, ... |
| [01:42:32] | Decepticon: | i see |
| [01:42:40] | sphery: | If you're talking about parts lists with Hauppauge PVR-x50's, they tend to include them to allow people to record from their cable STB's. |
| [01:42:52] | jheizer: | sphery: yeah, imported from a dump |
| [01:43:09] | sphery: | jheizer: basically as described in the HOWTO? |
| [01:43:25] | sphery: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5 |
| [01:44:13] | jheizer: | sphery: actually, I imported the whole thing |
| [01:44:34] | sphery: | yeah, the 23.5 way is the whole thing (23.7 later is partial) |
| [01:44:54] | sphery: | (I'm guessing you have a tall browser window :) |
| [01:45:20] | jheizer: | yeah, but also read over the restore section on the full dump |
| [01:45:58] | sphery: | there's no partial in there... |
| [01:46:55] | sphery: | Anyway, the reason I was asking is because it's critical that you do DB imports properly. If you do a full restore, then chances are, you did--i.e. if changing MythTV versions, you must do a full restore, then start mythtv-setup or mythbackend (to upgrade the DB), then things should work. |
| [01:47:07] | sphery: | If you did it that way, your data should be good. |
| [01:47:40] | jheizer: | k, yeah, did a full restore |
| [01:47:56] | sphery: | However, it could have been corrupted (either the table itself or the data within the table). To fix the table, run optmize_mythdb.pl . To fix the data, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable |
| [01:47:56] | jheizer: | and was just moving to a slightly newer .21-fixes |
| [01:48:05] | jheizer: | had been running my only compiles up till then |
| [01:48:20] | sphery: | Since I think you said HDTV, you'd want the mythtranscode --buildindex approach for repairing the seektable. |
| [01:49:20] | sphery: | When you say, "first 20–30 minutes is fine, then after that the skip is all messed up," what do you mean by, "all messed up?" |
| [01:49:21] | jheizer: | looked like the optimize script has been looking for db@ localhost |
| [01:49:46] | jheizer: | first 20–30 play fine, skip comms, and can hand skip 30 seconds |
| [01:49:46] | sphery: | You should run the optimize script as the user running myth{frontend,backend} |
| [01:50:14] | jheizer: | after that skip 30 will move 30 seconds in the progress, but only a moment ahead in the video/audio |
| [01:50:40] | jheizer: | yeah, running as myth user and still failing |
| [01:50:58] | sphery: | If it's looking for the wrong database, you have a(n old, deprecated) mysql.txt somewhere that's making it use the wrong configuration. |
| [01:51:10] | jheizer: | hate some many changes at once, makes this all a pain |
| [01:51:22] | sphery: | Has myth user ever run mythfrontend? |
| [01:51:44] | jheizer: | new main frontend, that frontend -> mbe, and moved DB to other machine |
| [01:51:47] | jheizer: | yeah, has run both |
| [01:52:12] | sphery: | OK. Running mythfrontend should ensure there's a proper ~/.mythtv/config.xml in place that the Perl bindings can use. |
| [01:52:17] | sphery: | what error from the script? |
| [01:52:38] | jheizer: | yup, just saw .xml was wrong |
| [01:53:15] | sphery: | Hmmm. Interesting. Perhaps an old one got copied over from previous system after you ran mythfrontend or something. |
| [01:53:56] | jheizer: | yeah, not sure |
| [01:54:03] | jheizer: | thought I checked them all when I moved the DB |
| [01:54:27] | jheizer: | just ran pretty fast |
| [01:54:48] | sphery: | yeah, DB was probably OK. |
| [01:55:12] | sphery: | might want to run some mythtranscode --buildindex on a recording or two to see if it fixes issues. |
| [01:55:41] | jheizer: | didn't the last time or three it has happened this week |
| [01:55:50] | jheizer: | or running the commflag rebuild |
| [01:56:19] | jheizer: | The few times this has happened to me over the years I have not had much luck rebuilding for what ever reason lol |
| [01:56:58] | jheizer: | wasn't sure if maybe this is happening b/c of a lag between the MBE and the DB machine or something |
| [01:57:03] | sphery: | What filesystem are the recordings on? Not FAT32, right? Is it a CIFS or Samba share? |
| [01:57:12] | sphery: | Shouldn't be lag. |
| [01:57:46] | jheizer: | fs on jfs |
| [01:57:56] | jheizer: | tuner is local to that hd |
| [01:57:58] | sphery: | Does it only happen with the old/imported shows or does it also happen with new recordings? |
| [01:58:23] | jheizer: | cleared alot of the old stuff out before moving, but they all seem ok |
| [01:58:29] | jheizer: | and all new SD seems fine |
| [01:58:36] | jheizer: | but last 3–4 HD have had it |
| [01:59:25] | sphery: | Someone on the list is also having problems with seektable, but only on HDTV recordings on which he runs mythcommflag. When he doesn't run mythcommflag (i.e. leaves them without any commercial flagging), they play/skip/jump properly. |
| [01:59:57] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/349218#349218 |
| [02:00:25] | jheizer: | hmm, remember seeing that email |
| [02:00:30] | sphery: | If you'd like to run the test sequence I describe in my response to him, I'd be happy to look at your results, too. |
| [02:00:43] | jheizer: | crap, just had it happen in a SD show |
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| [02:00:56] | sphery: | What kernel are you using? |
| [02:00:56] | jheizer: | baseball game on in the background |
| [02:01:29] | jheizer: | Linux mythtvmasterbackend 2.6.23-chw-4 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon May 26 14:44:56 PDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| [02:02:26] | jheizer: | pvr-150, air2pc, and some kworld card as sources |
| [02:02:56] | sphery: | I'm wondering if it might be that the seektable is not being written because mysql isn't being given sufficient priority because your kernel is using CFS (process scheduler) and/or CFQ (I/O scheduler). |
| [02:03:37] | sphery: | If you're playing back a recording while recording, I can see the default settings for CFS/CFQ causing corruption of the seektable. |
| [02:04:01] | sphery: | (or, any other sufficiently resource-intensive process that could starve MySQL of resources) |
| [02:04:03] | jheizer: | hmm, yeah watching the game while recording |
| [02:04:16] | jheizer: | and this mbe is a lot weaker than the one I was using before |
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| [02:04:28] | sphery: | Unfortunately, I haven't gotten much farther than coming to that conclusion. |
| [02:04:31] | jheizer: | it croaked which started all of this mess |
| [02:04:40] | sphery: | I'm trying to figure out how to properly tune a system with CFS |
| [02:04:58] | sphery: | Not much documentation, yet, though. |
| [02:05:37] | jheizer: | ohh, mysql is on a basic ubuntu box |
| [02:06:22] | jheizer: | using its generic 2.6.24–17 kernel |
| [02:06:24] | sphery: | I upgraded my system, which required a newer kernel (to support the brand-new chipset in the mobo), and in the process enabled CFS/CFQ. I've since found that my system (and AMD X2 6000+ w/ 2GB RAM and a GF7800GTX) is unable to play back MPEG-2 HDTV properly. |
| [02:06:48] | jheizer: | yuck |
| [02:07:02] | sphery: | It all turned out to be due to running boinc/SETI@home in the background. Before the "fair" scheduling, I was relying on the unfair scheduling to ensure that boinc didn't cause problems. |
| [02:07:18] | jheizer: | before was playing back my hd via athlon xp 2000+ and xvmc |
| [02:07:21] | sphery: | Now I have to figure out how to tell the scheduler to ensure that boinc doesn't cause problems. |
| [02:07:47] | jheizer: | finally got sick of it with all this and used the hardware croak as an excuse to build a 5600+ X2 box |
| [02:08:00] | jheizer: | yeah, never have been able to run boinc in the background either |
| [02:08:23] | jheizer: | and my mysql machine sites around pretty idle, except boinc |
| [02:08:25] | sphery: | It never caused a problem for my systems before. |
| [02:08:28] | clever: | i have a pvr150 and boinc running on a 400mhz with no trouble |
| [02:08:30] | jheizer: | but old mbe did run boinc |
| [02:08:31] | jheizer: | lol |
| [02:08:48] | sphery: | clever: know anything about tuning priorities in CFS? |
| [02:09:07] | clever: | sphery: nope, i avoid anything related to windows file sharing:P |
| [02:09:31] | sphery: | uh, I'm pretty sure that was a joke, but just in case, I meant Completely Fair Scheduling. |
| [02:09:47] | clever: | ahh not cifs |
| [02:09:51] | sphery: | Nope. |
| [02:09:58] | clever: | no idea if im using cfs |
| [02:10:08] | clever: | im on the stock ubuntu 7.10 kernel i beleive |
| [02:10:33] | sphery: | Yeah, the new process scheduler is completely ruining my ability to run boinc (because it's ensuring boinc gets a "fair" share of the CPU--though I only want it to get CPU is /nothing/ else can use it). |
| [02:10:45] | clever: | lol |
| [02:10:49] | sphery: | I have to figure out how to tell it that. |
| [02:10:50] | jheizer: | wtf, this is going fine, but web browsing for me has come to a standstill |
| [02:10:53] | jheizer: | damn comcast |
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| [02:11:04] | clever: | the 8.04 kernel broke ivtv and lirc so i had to move the card to an older system |
| [02:11:54] | sphery: | Trying to decide between changing back to the old O(1) scheduler or learning to use CFS properly... |
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| [02:12:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | jheizer That's why I switched to FiOS nearly the same day it was available to me... I call them 'cumcast'... |
| [02:13:07] | jheizer: | oh you lucky man |
| [02:13:12] | jheizer: | can't even get dsl here |
| [02:13:48] | sphery: | Yeah, I'm stuck with cable only |
| [02:14:03] | sphery: | At least my service provider is "nonintrusive" |
| [02:14:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | jheizer: At the time I could only have switched to DSL if I had also got an analog phone line – I had Vonage (and still too) for a couple of years before that... |
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| [02:14:31] | orkid: | is an nvidia 6200 a good cards for mythtv ? |
| [02:14:35] | jheizer: | yeah, 2 vonage lines here |
| [02:14:41] | sphery: | orkid: great card |
| [02:14:54] | sphery: | works for HDTV or SDTV |
| [02:14:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | orkid: I think so, yes. I have them in 2 of my myth boxes. |
| [02:14:59] | orkid: | closed source driver i'm guessing? |
| [02:15:09] | orkid: | is there anything special to put in the xorg.conf ? |
| [02:15:11] | sphery: | orkid: and--more importantly than anything else--is dirt cheap |
| [02:15:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | orkid: Closed 'binary' driver. yes. |
| [02:15:20] | sphery: | yep |
| [02:16:36] | orkid: | is there anything special to put in the xorg.conf ? |
| [02:16:47] | orkid: | other than Driver "nvidia" of course |
| [02:16:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | orkid: When you install the driver, it makes the necessary updates to xorg.conf |
| [02:16:47] | sphery: | orkid: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nvidia (long story) |
| [02:16:52] | orkid: | tx :) |
| [02:17:00] | orkid: | the myth wiki docs are great |
| [02:17:52] | sphery: | orkid: short story is UseEvents and--most likely--http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Specifyi . . . DID_Settings |
| [02:19:01] | orkid: | i dont mind reading the docs. i like when stuff is in depth and accurate. and that's what i've found the myth docs to be so far |
| [02:19:37] | jheizer: | LOL, just did rebuild on recording and now it says it is 4:20 long and not an hour |
| [02:19:56] | sphery: | I haven't read through all of the Nvidia page, but it looked pretty impressive when I first ran across it last week (while correcting all spots on the wiki that said Myth had to have 100DPI--which seemed to be the only real mistake on that page) |
| [02:20:38] | sphery: | jheizer: you did use mythtranscode --buildindex, right? mythcommflag --rebuild will almost certainly mess up your seektable for any DVB/ATSC recordings. |
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| [02:21:09] | jheizer: | ahhh, transcode as I got its syntax right first |
| [02:21:15] | jheizer: | since the wiki was not coming up right |
| [02:21:56] | jheizer: | ah, found it in history from a few days ago |
| [02:22:28] | sphery: | you're saying that the recommended args on the wiki are wrong? |
| [02:22:35] | jheizer: | no no |
| [02:22:37] | jheizer: | sorry |
| [02:22:43] | jheizer: | the page was not coming up for me |
| [02:23:00] | sphery: | Good, because those are the ones recommended in the myth code, itself (one of the error messages). |
| [02:23:02] | jheizer: | lol, and now that I look it finally did |
| [02:23:05] | sphery: | Oh, another comcast thing. |
| [02:23:15] | jheizer: | was the comcast thing form before |
| [02:23:20] | jheizer: | pow |
| [02:23:21] | jheizer: | pos |
| [02:24:03] | sphery: | yeah, at least they don't discriminate between various types of 'net traffic, though (I'm sure of this because they say they're not) |
| [02:24:46] | ** sphery is going to watch some TV and try to remember to restart boinc afterwards... ** | |
| [02:27:37] | jheizer: | lol |
| [02:27:38] | jheizer: | enojy |
| [02:27:40] | jheizer: | enjoy |
| [02:27:47] | jheizer: | and thanks for the suggestions |
| [02:29:07] | sphery: | good luck. might want to try disabling commflagging with one. |
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| [02:29:44] | sphery: | If that fixes the problem, I'm guessing it's an I/O and/or prioritization issue preventing MySQL from properly writing the seektable. |
| [02:29:58] | sphery: | (i.e. record it and do not commflag it) |
| [02:30:18] | sphery: | and, feel free to send me the results from the test I mentioned in that post |
| [02:40:39] | squish102: | i have got to the step where i run irw but i only get some output and not what they mention in the wiki page http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstre . . . nfigure_lirc |
| [02:41:07] | squish102: | none of the special keys work.. can anyone give me a suggestion on how to continue |
| [02:41:26] | orkid: | is there an nvidia card that can do single hdmi out.. with audio. with myth atm? |
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| [02:42:43] | Alkivar: | are there any PCI-X (not PCIe) HD tuner cards? |
| [02:42:44] | Alkivar: | i've been googling but all i can find are pci-x video capture cards not tv cards |
| [02:44:19] | psm321: | cant you use pci in a pci-x slot? |
| [02:45:00] | Alkivar: | yes but not without slowing down the bus |
| [02:45:18] | Alkivar: | and i've got a 100mhz SATA raid adapter in another slot |
| [02:45:38] | Alkivar: | i guess a PCI tuner card that would function at 100mhz would do the trick... |
| [02:45:51] | psm321: | k, sorry |
| [02:46:55] | Gumby: | hrm, so now that I enabled extra audio buffering my audio/video isnt stuttering. But now audio and video is behind by about 1 second on some channels. d'oh! |
| [02:48:14] | Gumby: | orkid: onboard 71xx an no problem |
| [02:48:32] | orkid: | ok tx |
| [02:48:40] | Gumby: | or do you mean carry hdmi video and audio ? |
| [02:48:42] | orkid: | would a non-onboard 7 series work too? |
| [02:48:49] | orkid: | i mean yes. hdmi carrying audio and video |
| [02:49:01] | Gumby: | ah, that I dont know. I dont think so though |
| [02:49:15] | Gumby: | I havnt looked in some time though |
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| [02:59:54] | atrus: | i'm looking at the various mythtv recording options, and i'm not sure what would be best for my request. I'd like it to record one copy of every new episode of a particular series, ideally ignoring any re-runs. is that possible? |
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| [03:10:26] | jblack: | Sure. It should be in the recording options. |
| [03:12:58] | squish102: | do i really have to buy a microsoft mce remote just for the ir receiver? |
| [03:13:25] | squish102: | i have a remote that will work with that receiver, but i have no working receivers :( |
| [03:13:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Probably... Unless you find one on ebay or something... |
| [03:13:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: Or make or buy a simple generic serial receiver... |
| [03:14:38] | squish102: | i'm a little wiery of anything serial |
| [03:14:52] | squish102: | i'm not even sure my mobo has a serial port anymore |
| [03:15:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: It might not... So far even my latest board still has a serial port (and parrallel even, but only via header...) |
| [03:15:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: The parallel port is good for my LCD... ;-) |
| [03:16:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: The way I look at is this – what else is the serial port good for, unless you choose to hook a UPS or old serial console to it... ;-) |
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| [03:18:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] ... First time using my 500GB WD "My Book" drive... never would have thought the status LED is a bar that cycles back & forth like Kitt from Knight Rider while it's being accessed... I'd rather see it flickering in 'real-time' with access... |
| [03:18:46] | psm321: | hmm my nfs mounts stopped working after rebooting the server |
| [03:18:56] | psm321: | it just sits there trying to mount |
| [03:19:08] | squish102: | J-e-f-f-A does a serial ir receiver work well? |
| [03:20:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: I think so myself, I use a serial one on my backend. I believe it works via interrupts as well, so it shouldn't take hardly any resources... |
| [03:20:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: One thing the MCE USB receiver would give you is the 'wake on USB/Keyboard" feature... if your bios supports it. |
| [03:21:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | squish102: (So if your bios supports it, you can use the remote to power on the machine) |
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| [03:32:14] | squish102: | thanks J-e-f-f-A I will be trying to pick up the MS usb one on ebay |
| [03:32:17] | atrus: | jblack: hmm. i see options to "record in this timeslot every week", but will that fallback to another time that week if there's a conflict? alternatively, there's the "record one showing every week", but won't that get tripped up by re-runs running in syndication slots? |
| [03:33:08] | atrus: | i guess what i'm looking for is a "record one showing of each episode of this title" option. |
| [03:35:12] | atrus: | ideally "record one showing of each NEW episode of this title" really |
| [03:35:31] | squish102: | atrus i use the filter "New Episodes Only" |
| [03:35:42] | atrus: | (esp since my schedulesdirect info actually says when an episode is a re-run) |
| [03:36:15] | squish102: | i say record at any time on any channel, and then put the new episodes only filter on |
| [03:36:22] | atrus: | squish102: aha, that might do the job. |
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| [03:36:28] | squish102: | although im not convinced that is the right way |
| [03:36:37] | squish102: | it seems to work for me |
| [03:36:53] | atrus: | i wonder what the difference between "record new episodes only" and "exclude old episodes" is |
| [03:37:02] | squish102: | there are much more experienced people here |
| [03:38:56] | psm321: | anyone know of a good hd-5500 howto? |
| [03:39:46] | psm321: | any time on any channel will record 1 of everything assuming decent (schedulesdirect) data |
| [03:40:03] | psm321: | (for most shows... some channels are bad about their data but thats rare) |
| [03:40:26] | psm321: | i havent done new episodes only personally, but what squish102 said should work |
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| [03:42:40] | psm321: | should i be using the cd that came with it or kernel drivers? |
| [03:43:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Unless you're running a pretty old kernel, I believe the HD-5500 should already be setup... would be /dev/dvb/adapter# ... What's your issue? |
| [03:43:40] | psm321: | no particular issue, i just want a guide on how to "play" with it outside myth (my first time messing with anything other than ivtv/bttv) |
| [03:44:01] | psm321: | so like theres guides on how to tune channels for ivtv, something like that (how to scan, tune, signal strength, etc) |
| [03:44:06] | psm321: | before i get it setup in myth |
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| [03:44:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Well, if you're using it for ATSC, or digital, it's /dev/dvb/adapter# ... if you're doing analog tv, it's just a framegrabber like a bbtv card... |
| [03:45:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: IMHO, it's easiest to just set it up in myth... ;-) |
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| [03:46:19] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: probably, but i really dont want to mess with it in myth yet |
| [03:46:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Perhaps this will help? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/PcHDTV_HD-5500 |
| [03:46:33] | psm321: | actually i'm not even seeing the /dev/dvb device |
| [03:46:44] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: already saw that, didnt seem to have much |
| [03:47:07] | psm321: | does the 5500 have the thing like the 3000 where you have separate firmwares for the different modes? |
| [03:47:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: humm... You might need to download the firmware... |
| [03:47:19] | psm321: | i just checked my kernel config and i have all the dvb stuff enabled |
| [03:47:46] | psm321: | ok i'll try the firmware |
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| [03:51:50] | psm321: | thw wiki page says i dont need firmware |
| [03:52:02] | psm321: | dmesg | grep dvb or dmesg | grep cx give me nothing |
| [03:52:11] | psm321: | i do have everything configured i think |
| [03:52:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: I'm sorry, I don't have my HD-5500 in my system anymore – I bought a HD-Homerun to free up PCI slots. ;-) |
| [03:53:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: So you don't have a /dev/dvb/adapter* directory? |
| [03:53:58] | psm321: | http://pastebin.com/m379f4acc |
| [03:54:00] | psm321: | nope |
| [03:54:07] | psm321: | i dont have /dev/dvb at all |
| [03:58:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Check the wiki page again – the "More Details" section in perticular. |
| [03:58:56] | psm321: | yep thats where i'm looking right now |
| [03:59:06] | psm321: | it says i dont need external drivers for 2.6.18+ right |
| [03:59:31] | jblack: | atrus: Look under duplicate detection or somesuch |
| [04:00:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Yes – perhaps you just have to do a "modprobe cx88-dvb" to get it to work? |
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| [04:02:37] | atrus: | jblack: yeah, i'm going to try "record new episodes only" or "exclude old episodes"... but i'm not clear on what the difference between them is :) |
| [04:02:42] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: tried, dont have that module |
| [04:03:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: This is the line I had in my modprobe.conf to load the 3000, and not interfere with my PVR-500 and PVR-250 I had in there at the time. alias char-major-81–2 cx88_dvb |
| [04:03:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Humm... did you compile your own kernel, and not include it? |
| [04:04:45] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: i did compile my own kernel, and i'm looking now... i see all the dvb stuff is enabled but i dont see any options for cx88 anywhere |
| [04:05:24] | psm321: | i think i'm missing something higher up because even under regular capture adapters i dont see options for ivtv, bttv, etc (this is a different box than my myth one) |
| [04:06:48] | psm321: | yeah theres definitely something wrong there |
| [04:07:07] | psm321: | i dont have any cards to select (well a lot less) under both the dvb and regular menus |
| [04:07:10] | psm321: | compared to my myth box |
| [04:07:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | psm321: Humm... I haven't ventured into compiling my own kernels yet... MythTV and other stuff, YES... Kernel(s), Not Yet... |
| [04:08:07] | psm321: | aha |
| [04:08:16] | psm321: | apparently i need i2c enabled |
| [04:08:27] | psm321: | i wish menuconfig was better about telling you things like that |
| [04:08:43] | psm321: | i could only figure this out because i had the other box to compare to |
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| [04:10:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, iirc, i2c is used to control the card, channel changing and options irrc... |
| [04:12:52] | psm321: | looks like i have to rebuild the kernel |
| [04:17:26] | orkid: | mayube a little ot. but can someone help with getting xvmc working with mplayer? i'm trying to play a 720p mpeg2 file but my amd 3000 is at 100 .. no apparent skipping, but i don't think xvmc is working |
| [04:24:07] | orkid: | hmm, seems like i need nwere drivers |
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| [04:37:30] | psm321: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks i see the devices now |
| [04:37:38] | psm321: | now time to find out tools to use with it |
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| [05:25:34] | bigdavediode: | Anyone here have experience with storage groups? I've added a hard drive, mounted it, set the permissions, owner and group — mythtv records into it, but the mythbackend.log file says /CAN'T/FIND/FILE/ON/MYTH/(FILENAME) |
| [05:25:43] | bigdavediode: | When I try to delete it. |
| [05:26:20] | bigdavediode: | Playing recordings on second group gives a black screen and the message that mythbackend isn't responding, are you sure it's up. |
| [05:34:09] | bigdavediode: | Anyone out there? |
| [05:34:25] | Sulx: | ye |
| [05:34:40] | bigdavediode: | Hi Sulx — do you have any experience with storage groups? |
| [05:34:41] | Sulx: | only problem with storage groups |
| [05:35:35] | Sulx: | I have is that mythweb flashplay/direct download doesn't work from one of the groups |
| [05:36:29] | bigdavediode: | Hmmm... maybe the directory permissions/group or owner are set wrong? |
| [05:36:50] | Sulx: | for me...both are identical |
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| [05:39:46] | bigdavediode: | Well then I'm stumped. How did you get your groups to work? I had to upgrade knoppmyth to get the storage groups feature in 0.21 and then I mounted the drive, added it to fstab, and now my mythbackend is very confused. |
| [05:40:04] | bigdavediode: | I didn't shut down mythbackend before adding the group — could that be the problem? What about mythrebuilddatabase? |
| [05:40:28] | wagnerrp: | any changes you make in mythtv-setup will not take effect until you restart the backend |
| [05:40:53] | Sulx: | or run mythfilldatabase |
| [05:41:54] | GreyFoxx: | you do not need to run mythfilldatabase after changing tuner related stuff or storage groups |
| [05:42:02] | GreyFoxx: | bt you do need to restart the backend |
| [05:42:27] | wagnerrp: | mythfilldatabase is only needed if you change the video sources |
| [05:42:51] | wagnerrp: | and then its only needed if you want to update the listings data, and dont want to wait for the backend to do it automatically |
| [05:45:02] | Sulx: | ah ok |
| [05:47:00] | bigdavediode: | Hi wagner — I restarted the backend by restarting the entire machine previously... |
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| [05:53:58] | bigdavediode: | I'm restarting it again — I'm not getting the message in the mythbackend.log which previously said that it was unable to find the file (in /myth — which isn't even one of the storage groups directories!) |
| [05:54:34] | bigdavediode: | Now it's just saying that it's waiting for a thread, and trying to watch tv fails immediately. Trying to watch a "new" directory recording goes to a black screen. |
| [05:54:47] | bigdavediode: | Then the error message that the backend might not be running. |
| [05:55:30] | bigdavediode: | I'm going to test it after a reboot — I just want to see what will happen if I try to delete a program after a reboot. Same thing, undoubtedly, but the log might be different. |
| [05:57:37] | bigdavediode: | My second directory in the default storage group isn't a subdirectory of the first directory in the storage group — I wonder if that is causing a problem. |
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| [06:03:20] | bigdavediode: | Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? |
| [06:04:00] | MrMadMoneyMan: | Question, I had 2 recordings set for today and there was a 1 min overlap between the two videos |
| [06:04:20] | MrMadMoneyMan: | the second video did not record, is that normal? |
| [06:04:49] | bigdavediode: | If you only have one tuner, that's correct. It can only record one program at a time. |
| [06:05:06] | MrMadMoneyMan: | sure, but should it have cut over after that 1 min overlap? |
| [06:05:29] | MrMadMoneyMan: | instead of not record? |
| [06:05:37] | Gumby: | hey guys, just having a conversation with someone and we disagree on the subject of ATI vs nVidia for linux and mythtv. Anyone have any comments on the driver and functional status of either? |
| [06:05:49] | wagnerrp: | mythtv would have reported it as a conflicting recording, and not recorded it |
| [06:06:04] | MrMadMoneyMan: | ok, just making sure that is the correct behavior |
| [06:06:10] | wagnerrp: | in the event of a conflict, mythtv does nothing |
| [06:06:10] | MrMadMoneyMan: | wagnerp: thanks |
| [06:06:16] | wagnerrp: | leaving it to the user to fix the conflict |
| [06:06:18] | bigdavediode: | MrMad — no, otherwise it would be recording part of a show. |
| [06:06:40] | bigdavediode: | What wagner said. |
| [06:07:01] | wagnerrp: | if youve got mythweb installed, it makes it considerably easier to manage scheduling |
| [06:07:08] | bigdavediode: | Wagner — any ideas for my storage group problem? Can I safely delete the default storage group in an attempt to recreate it? |
| [06:09:15] | Alkivar: | HOLY CRAP |
| [06:09:20] | Alkivar: | look at the picture in this article: http://blogs.chron.com/sciguy/archives/2008/09/post_50.html |
| [06:09:34] | Alkivar: | someone please tell me thats a photoshop |
| [06:09:36] | wagnerrp: | if you come from no storage groups, mythtv will expect everything to be in 'Default' |
| [06:10:11] | wagnerrp: | as long as the recordings are somewhere in a folder listed in that storage group, mythtv will find them |
| [06:10:56] | bigdavediode: | Unfortunately for the second directory it can find the folder to save the file, but it can't play or delete the file. |
| [06:11:12] | wagnerrp: | does it have file permissions to do so? |
| [06:11:43] | bigdavediode: | I assume so — I gave it chmod 666 mythtv:mythtv |
| [06:11:52] | bigdavediode: | Sorry, that should read chmod/chown |
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| [06:11:52] | wagnerrp: | the directories can be completely independent of eachother |
| [06:12:07] | wagnerrp: | it actually intended for multiple drives |
| [06:12:29] | bigdavediode: | Yeah, that's what I thought. I just can't wrap my head around why it will save in the directory, but can't find it. |
| [06:12:30] | wagnerrp: | so not having one directory being a subdirectory of the other is not a problem |
| [06:12:42] | bigdavediode: | Okay. Well that answers one question anyway. |
| [06:12:51] | wagnerrp: | check the backend logs, see if it tells you why it cannot access the file |
| [06:13:04] | bigdavediode: | I'll check them again... one second while I delete a test file. |
| [06:17:31] | wagnerrp: | why do people not understand that 'mandatory evacuation' means 'get the fuck out you dumb bastard' |
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| [06:23:56] | bigdavediode: | Okay, sorry about that, I'm back... found very strange errors in the mythbackend.log file. |
| [06:24:41] | bigdavediode: | "Mandatory evacuation" — if you're talking about the hurricane, I hope that Texas gets all the sympathy that they expressed for those in Louisiana. |
| [06:25:23] | bigdavediode: | Anyway, many strange errors — the log file actually uses the phrase "strange — " |
| [06:25:43] | bigdavediode: | It complained early in the log file that table mythconverge.recorded doesn't exist. |
| [06:25:51] | bigdavediode: | And mythconverg.storagegroup doesn't exist. |
| [06:25:56] | bigdavediode: | Perhaps I need to rebuild the database? |
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| [06:33:17] | bigdavediode: | Dammit, wagner evacuated! |
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| [06:36:50] | Steven_M: | does anyone know of any comertially made pre-built mythtv frontends for sale? |
| [06:40:42] | tank-man: | no |
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| [06:40:54] | mattwj2002: | hi everyone |
| [06:41:01] | tank-man: | why not just pay someone locally to do the setup |
| [06:41:08] | mattwj2002: | anyone using a dvb-s2 card with mythtv? |
| [06:41:28] | mattwj2002: | I am looking for fta |
| [06:43:12] | Steven_M: | just wondered |
| [06:43:30] | Steven_M: | @ tank-man |
| [06:44:08] | mattwj2002: | anyone doing fta with mythtv? |
| [06:45:10] | Steven_M: | is anyone here running an xbox myth frontend using xfedora? |
| [06:47:21] | Steven_M: | mattwj2002: what's fta? |
| [06:47:44] | mattwj2002: | free to air satellite |
| [06:48:06] | mattwj2002: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-air |
| [06:48:51] | mattwj2002: | http://www.ftalist.com/english.htm |
| [06:49:07] | mattwj2002: | put up a 3 foot dish and you can watch free and legal tv :D |
| [06:49:51] | tank-man: | what are you wondering about fta? if its possible? |
| [06:50:13] | mattwj2002: | I was wondering what dvb-s2 tuners work with mythtv |
| [06:50:14] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [06:50:30] | mattwj2002: | in particular if this one works |
| [06:50:32] | mattwj2002: | http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-790-Wintv-nov . . . 2&sr=8-1 |
| [06:51:20] | tank-man: | not really a mythtv specific issue |
| [06:51:34] | Steven_M: | mattwj2002: oh ok :) |
| [06:51:35] | tank-man: | if it works with linux it will probably work in mythtv |
| [06:51:40] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [06:51:52] | mattwj2002: | correct me if I am wrong..... |
| [06:52:10] | mattwj2002: | but mythtv has the software to handle dvb-s2 right? |
| [06:53:16] | bigdavediode: | matt — you'll have to check the IR codes for an IR blaster — the program is LIRC on the myth side and it fires the IR to whatever receiver you want to use. |
| [06:53:48] | mattwj2002: | well I would like an internal card |
| [06:53:59] | mattwj2002: | this would be a cheaper option for me as well :) |
| [06:54:36] | mattwj2002: | than buying a tuner for the tv |
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| [06:54:53] | mattwj2002: | I guess I could buy the box though |
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| [06:58:39] | bigdavediode: | matt — is it an internal card? I didn't realize that. |
| [06:58:40] | jeeves__: | can anyone here give me a hand figuring out why I can't connect my new front end unit to the backend server? |
| [06:58:53] | bigdavediode: | I can't answer any questions about that as that's not something I runl |
| [06:59:08] | mattwj2002: | no worries |
| [06:59:09] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [06:59:17] | kormoc: | jeeves__, have any logs? |
| [06:59:24] | mattwj2002: | just wondering if anyone had an experience with that |
| [06:59:39] | jeeves__: | kormoc, I'm trying to get the lice CD to install, and it fails to connect to the backend server. |
| [06:59:52] | kormoc: | lice cd? |
| [06:59:52] | mattwj2002: | I am taking a lot of risk setting up an fta satellite because I got this one tree that might be in the way.... |
| [07:00:01] | jeeves__: | kormoc, lol, sorry, live. |
| [07:00:10] | mattwj2002: | so I was thinking if I got a TV tuner and a cheap dish I could test it |
| [07:00:11] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [07:00:31] | kormoc: | jeeves__, well, do you have a backend installed and setup? |
| [07:00:46] | jeeves__: | kormoc, yes. |
| [07:01:00] | kormoc: | jeeves__, the exact same version as the one on this live cd you found? |
| [07:01:02] | jeeves__: | kormoc, I followed all the defaults to start with so I could make sure I can get it set up |
| [07:01:14] | jeeves__: | kormoc, yes, I did the install with the same CD |
| [07:01:25] | mattwj2002: | I really wantto get Galaxy 18 ... 36 local tv channels from around the country :D |
| [07:01:36] | kormoc: | jeeves__, so what is this live cd? |
| [07:02:01] | jeeves__: | kormoc, Mythbuntu |
| [07:02:23] | kormoc: | sadly, I can't help with that, but perhaps someone else can |
| [07:02:44] | jeeves__: | kormoc, np |
| [07:03:12] | tank-man: | its easier to diagnose a problem by looking at the logs |
| [07:03:31] | jeeves__: | tank-man, yea, I know. I didn't see a channel for Mythbuntu |
| [07:04:06] | tank-man: | you dont need a irc channel to look at the logs ... possible problems might be wrong ip inputed, mysql db not setup for sharing |
| [07:04:07] | jeeves__: | and when I try #mythbuntu, it forwards me to the ubuntu channel. LOL |
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| [07:08:57] | mattwj2002: | well I am going to bed |
| [07:09:04] | mattwj2002: | good night all |
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| [07:12:14] | Dagmar: | I <3 picoLCD |
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| [07:14:34] | GlemSom: | I'm looking a bit that this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports I see people with for example a AMD 2,3Ghz machine can play 1080p hd.. I have the same example file on my e6850 – and I'm not even near being able to play that file (premiere-paff.ts)... What am I missing here? |
| [07:15:15] | pat_: | something isn't configured correctly |
| [07:15:20] | pat_: | at a guess |
| [07:16:36] | Dagmar: | Or that they were playing back not particularly complex MPEG |
| [07:16:46] | Dagmar: | "1080p HD" pretty much doesn't mean a whole lot |
| [07:17:41] | GlemSom: | Dagmar, To compare I took the same example file ( http://x264.nl/h.264.samples/force.php?file=.//premiere-paff.ts )... On my system I get like 5fps... :/ |
| [07:17:52] | Dagmar: | Then keep configuring |
| [07:18:02] | kormoc: | GlemSom, h264 is a hugely different beast then mpeg2 |
| [07:18:59] | GlemSom: | kormoc, yeah.. it is... :( |
| [07:19:52] | kormoc: | GlemSom, in the US, 1080 is typically mpeg2, and thus that wiki page is likely folks playing mpeg2, not h264. There's stuff in development to do multi-core decoding and the like, but I don't believe they're done yet |
| [07:19:53] | ** Steven_M wishes there was a distro for xbox mythfrontends. ** | |
| [07:20:21] | Sulx: | archlinux |
| [07:20:51] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [07:21:01] | GlemSom: | kormoc, That's why I'm comparing the exact same file with a post on that site. (First post under AMD processors). |
| [07:21:35] | Dagmar: | Go fuss at the people who built your x264 binary and ask them why it's so slow. |
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| [07:41:38] | justinh: | you know, to play european HDTV you need to be using more than one core of your CPU – and even then you probably need to be running the very latest (as in development version) of mythtv or mplayer (or ffplay) right now. Not everything on wikis is straightforward. h.264 is a b e a t c h to play |
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| [07:45:38] | GlemSom: | justinh, But, can mythtv and mplayer (and xine) even take advantage of more then one CPU? I am going to pgrade my mediecenter soon... And maybe it would be worth using a quadcore instead of a dualcore? (like q6600 compared to e6850)... ? |
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| [07:47:28] | justinh: | mythtv 0.21 _can_ use more than one CPU but it only helps on sliced material which lends itself to multithreaded decoding ;) |
| [07:47:55] | justinh: | so can mplayer – at least more recent versions |
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| [07:48:33] | justinh: | the wiki page you referred to probably mentions SVN mplayer & some commandline options |
| [07:53:45] | justinh: | my core2 duo mobile frontend can play '1080p' trailers from the Apple website, but the bitrate being so low is probably the deciding factor there |
| [07:53:51] | justinh: | that's on one core |
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| [07:54:42] | justinh: | it needs two cores to play BBC HD originals which are h.264 VC1 at about 20Mbits/sec |
| [07:55:26] | justinh: | we linux users can't rely on fancy graphics card drivers to help us play this h.264 stuff. I'm not even going to say 'yet' |
| [07:56:33] | justinh: | oh and BBCHD isn't even 1080p! |
| [07:58:34] | Gumby: | I dont s'pose anyone here uses dvb and myth? Im wondering what sort of cpu/gpu is required to play HD (say dishnet HD) |
| [07:59:20] | justinh: | Gumby: you can't use dishnet with mythtv. anybody who says you can is being very very naughty |
| [07:59:31] | Gumby: | justinh: I'm just speculating here |
| [07:59:32] | justinh: | at least you can't use it _directly_ with mythtv |
| [08:00:07] | justinh: | you need a STB inbetween, and in the case of HD, you'd have to be capturing component out from the STB into your myth box |
| [08:00:27] | Gumby: | say if I was to output from an stb into.....yes |
| [08:00:34] | justinh: | via the hauppauge hd-pvr – which of course brings its own problems.. |
| [08:00:58] | Gumby: | lets just pretend for a second that we are using something the same bitrate as a dish hd stream |
| [08:01:03] | justinh: | .. namely having the horses available to play the single slice h.264 output from the hd-pvr |
| [08:01:04] | Gumby: | and watching livetv |
| [08:01:17] | justinh: | Gumby: there are too many factors to consider |
| [08:01:35] | justinh: | 1. does the user have a clue & can he even play mpeg2 HD without it stutterring? |
| [08:01:53] | justinh: | if the answer to any part of 1. is 'no', start again |
| [08:01:56] | Gumby: | justinh: I am wondering specs that can do it. |
| [08:02:08] | Gumby: | lets say the answer at this point is yes |
| [08:02:26] | justinh: | the specs of the box you've got now should very well be capable of playing mpeg2 HD, and you don't seem to have cracked it |
| [08:02:34] | Gumby: | I have now |
| [08:02:45] | Gumby: | it was an audio buffering issue |
| [08:03:20] | Gumby: | I dont/cant do dish at all so its pure speculation from here on out |
| [08:03:41] | justinh: | well, the wiki article linked to earlier should give you some idea what horsepower you need. Think core2 duo, 2Ghz as your minimum to play h.264 HD |
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| [08:04:09] | Gumby: | ah, ok. I remember reading it.. but I forgot to bookmark it and I couldnt remember where I was linked to it from |
| [08:04:34] | justinh: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD_Playback_Reports |
| [08:04:46] | Gumby: | I was having a debate with someone and they refused to believe that a system that had a gpu that didnt do HD natively could play dish HD |
| [08:04:49] | Gumby: | thank you |
| [08:05:27] | tank-man: | debating something youre not sure of heh |
| [08:05:28] | Gumby: | to which I said bull, but they refused to believe me and said I couldnt even argue or debate cause I cant tune dish |
| [08:05:48] | Gumby: | tank-man: I'm moreso verifying |
| [08:06:01] | Gumby: | and people like justinh in here know more than I so I asked him |
| [08:06:21] | Gumby: | plus I read a lot of the link he just posted earlier, just didnt finish all of it |
| [08:06:22] | justinh: | the GPU is irrelevant for us linux users. if it can do the resolution HD needs, in general it'll do just fine if the usual suspects are there (XV, opengl...) |
| [08:07:05] | justinh: | plus I don't even know what format dish HD is. Just assume the worst ;) |
| [08:07:26] | justinh: | as in worst case scenario I mean |
| [08:07:45] | Gumby: | I was trying to say that the gpu was irrelevant (in linux) as you said to me earlier, but he'd have none of it |
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| [08:08:01] | justinh: | some people like to stay ignorant |
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| [08:08:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | Dish HD is MPEG4. |
| [08:08:25] | Gumby: | and then was also trying to argue that ATI is now better in linux than nvidia.. to which I didnt know for sure but I know I dont have issues with my onboard nvidia via hdmi so I cant complain |
| [08:08:56] | justinh: | ATI sometimes works for people.. when it does, they outshine nvidia |
| [08:09:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... but since there's no way to get it directly into Myth, it's a mute point... |
| [08:09:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | (er, or is it 'moot'... ;-) you get the idea!) |
| [08:09:50] | justinh: | J-e-f-f-A: not legally, and that which could be discussed here, no :) |
| [08:09:58] | pat_: | moot |
| [08:09:58] | Gumby: | lol |
| [08:10:02] | Gumby: | justdave: I think the key word was "directly" |
| [08:10:06] | Gumby: | er, justinh |
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| [08:12:32] | Gumby: | hrm, that wasnt the page I was looking at earlier justinh. I wonder what it was I was looking at earlier. maybe it wasnt a mythtv page. |
| [08:16:46] | justinh: | bloody hell that sun is harsh this morning |
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| [10:06:46] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hi all |
| [10:07:20] | noaxess_kubuntu: | today.. strange.. my dvb-c card won't work.. in the morning it worked.. no i see an error in mythtv backend setup / tv-cards.. |
| [10:07:27] | noaxess_kubuntu: | where can i see more information? |
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| [10:08:13] | noaxess_kubuntu: | card-typ: dvb dtv tv-card (v3.x) |
| [10:08:28] | tank-man: | maybe in /var/log/myth*.log |
| [10:08:41] | tank-man: | or dmesg |
| [10:10:21] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ok i know.. |
| [10:12:13] | noaxess_kubuntu: | tank-man: dmesg: DVB: registering frontend 0 (Philips TDA10023 DVB-C) |
| [10:13:51] | noaxess_kubuntu: | DVBChan(1:0) Error: Opening DVB frontend device failed. |
| [10:14:02] | noaxess_kubuntu: | eno: Device or resource busy (16) |
| [10:14:14] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ERROR: no valid capture cards are defined in the database |
| [10:14:23] | noaxess_kubuntu: | but.. the modulk is runngin |
| [10:14:27] | noaxess_kubuntu: | running |
| [10:14:50] | noaxess_kubuntu: | v4l2_common 18304 2 saa7146_vv,videodev |
| [10:14:53] | noaxess_kubuntu: | and others |
| [10:15:17] | justinh: | lsmod |grep dvb |
| [10:15:41] | noaxess_kubuntu: | in mythtv backend setup on tv-card setup i see frontend id: ERROR_OPEN |
| [10:15:55] | justinh: | in mythtv-setup, you mean# |
| [10:16:04] | noaxess_kubuntu: | justjep |
| [10:16:07] | noaxess_kubuntu: | dvb_core 81404 2 budget_av,budget_core |
| [10:16:12] | noaxess_kubuntu: | lsmod |
| [10:16:14] | justinh: | and it would say that if mythbackend is still running. it warns you when mythbackend is still running |
| [10:16:24] | noaxess_kubuntu: | yes.. to stop it |
| [10:16:55] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i don't know whats happend.. |
| [10:17:12] | justinh: | what changed since it was working? |
| [10:17:15] | justinh: | did you reboot? |
| [10:17:23] | noaxess_kubuntu: | yes a lot.. |
| [10:17:27] | noaxess_kubuntu: | no changes |
| [10:17:30] | justinh: | did the machine's hostname change? did its lan IP address change? |
| [10:17:47] | justinh: | did the tuner card move device nodes? |
| [10:18:03] | noaxess_kubuntu: | just... hm.. lan ip.. wait.. should not.. but.. i have reseted my firewall, it is also dhcp server.. can be.. but |
| [10:18:11] | justinh: | if you only have one tuner, that's not likely |
| [10:18:26] | noaxess_kubuntu: | justinh: just one tuner |
| [10:18:41] | justinh: | your IP addresses should always be the same, even if using DHCP |
| [10:18:49] | justinh: | as should the hostnames, ideally |
| [10:19:02] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hostname hasen't be changed |
| [10:20:09] | noaxess_kubuntu: | and in mythtv.frontend there is localhost for the mysql server |
| [10:20:19] | noaxess_kubuntu: | both on same machine |
| [10:20:23] | noaxess_kubuntu: | just for information |
| [10:20:50] | noaxess_kubuntu: | should i delete the tv-card setup an recreate it? |
| [10:22:52] | ** justinh goes back to bed ** | |
| [10:23:06] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ou :( |
| [10:23:10] | noaxess_kubuntu: | good night :) |
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| [10:26:57] | mryanbrown: | I just did a clean install of ubuntu 8.04.1 and did an apt-get of mythtv. followed the prompts. however mythtv can not connect to the backend, i even ran the dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database or w/e. any ideas? |
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| [10:40:28] | noaxess_kubuntu: | any idea, i get eno: Device or resource busy (16).. have a saa7146 chip on my Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01) |
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| [10:41:58] | noaxess_kubuntu: | today morning it worked.. and now.. it want |
| [10:46:52] | noaxess_kubuntu: | in myth-setup: frontend id: ERROR_OPEN |
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| [10:51:28] | noaxess_kubuntu: | can someone help? or need i a new tv-card? |
| [10:52:30] | noaxess_kubuntu: | by the way, i have a SATELCO EasyWatch PCI DVB-C "Basic Edition" |
| [10:53:10] | noaxess_kubuntu: | it worked now for weeks.. |
| [10:54:29] | tank-man: | have you tried the microsoft solution? reboot |
| [10:55:34] | noaxess_kubuntu: | tank-man: :) ROFL.. yes.. more then once.. no chance |
| [10:55:49] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hardware problem? |
| [10:56:59] | noaxess_kubuntu: | hm.. see that: lspci -v: 01:0a.0 Multimedia controller: Philips Semiconductors SAA7146 (rev 01) |
| [10:57:05] | noaxess_kubuntu: | Subsystem: KNC One Unknown device 002c |
| [10:57:14] | noaxess_kubuntu: | can the subsystem be the problem? chip problem? |
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| [10:57:48] | directhex: | no, it just means your pci.ids is old |
| [10:57:55] | directhex: | run update-pciids for better lspci goodness |
| [10:58:33] | noaxess_kubuntu: | same |
| [10:58:39] | noaxess_kubuntu: | any other idea? |
| [10:58:50] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ot hint what i can check, do? |
| [10:58:55] | noaxess_kubuntu: | or |
| [10:59:57] | directhex: | lspci isn't a useful tool anyway |
| [11:00:06] | noaxess_kubuntu: | ok.. other tip |
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| [11:19:11] | hume: | anyone around? is there any disadvantage of using a high-end geforce graphics card with myth, other than price? |
| [11:19:42] | hume: | 8600GT compared to 7200GS, for instance |
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| [11:21:05] | directhex: | power consumption, assuming you pay for electricity |
| [11:21:17] | mchou: | yup. more power consumption, more heat, noise |
| [11:21:27] | mchou: | all bad for pvr |
| [11:21:40] | directhex: | if you like you could mail it to me, i'd give you a 7300gs in return |
| [11:22:00] | mchou: | 5x00 will be more than adequate :) |
| [11:22:19] | hume: | ah.... just looking at 7300gs. but: noice only comes from fan, right? I got a 866GT here without fan..? |
| [11:22:49] | mchou: | 8600 consumes more power than 7200, iirc |
| [11:23:07] | directhex: | yes, noise only comes from the fan |
| [11:23:08] | mchou: | but no fan is good |
| [11:23:12] | hume: | mchou, does that matter? except for power consumption, of course |
| [11:23:14] | gbee: | still puts out a lot of heat, depending on the case you may need case fans to shift sufficient air around |
| [11:23:45] | dustybin: | even my fx5200 pushes out a fair wack of heat |
| [11:23:47] | hume: | how do I know when I need to turn on the case fans? i monitor cpu heat and hdd temp.... |
| [11:23:57] | mchou: | less is more in a PVR (except when it comes to HDD capacity) |
| [11:24:02] | gbee: | PVR type case, which is smaller on average works better with a cooler running card |
| [11:24:13] | hume: | we are talking hdd quality.... |
| [11:24:13] | gbee: | only due to heat issues |
| [11:25:44] | mchou: | hume: seriously, you dont need such powerful vid cards in a myth box |
| [11:25:58] | mchou: | not unless you plan on playing games on it |
| [11:26:20] | mchou: | and there arent too many linux games anyways :) |
| [11:26:21] | dustybin: | mchou: you will when linux h.264 gpu accelleration drivers come available |
| [11:26:23] | hume: | mchou, no games, but i might use other apps for viewing films etc |
| [11:26:34] | AndyCap: | dustybin: heh, when is that? :) |
| [11:26:39] | dustybin: | AndyCap: the future |
| [11:26:45] | mchou: | dustybin: ditto :) |
| [11:27:01] | AndyCap: | waiting, for the miracle, for the miracle to come. |
| [11:27:06] | AndyCap: | also from the future. :) |
| [11:27:17] | dustybin: | AndyCap: the google summer of code students are already working on it |
| [11:27:26] | mchou: | dustybin: it's foolish to futureproof video cards |
| [11:27:40] | directhex: | that's not drivers, it's glsl |
| [11:27:40] | hume: | ok... so I'll settle for a 7200 or 7300.... sounds wise? or even 6200 |
| [11:27:42] | mchou: | newer ones are always coming out |
| [11:28:05] | directhex: | which should work on any gl-capable graphics card to arying degrees. only nvidia can do it driver-level |
| [11:28:14] | dustybin: | why dont mark shuttleworth invest in some coders to create those drivers :-) |
| [11:28:24] | justinh: | as opposed to gimpy software gl |
| [11:28:39] | justinh: | or some notional bastard half-breed |
| [11:29:05] | mchou: | maybe ATI will have them :) |
| [11:29:07] | mchou: | lol |
| [11:29:16] | mchou: | all buggy too :) |
| [11:29:21] | AndyCap: | have seen someone mention cuda based decoding which would definitely be nvidia only |
| [11:29:34] | ** dustybin wonders if there are any forum topics on nvidia or ATI websites regarding linux drivers ** | |
| [11:29:35] | justinh: | maybe one day we'll all have helper robots & flying fusion-powered cars, too :D |
| [11:29:57] | AndyCap: | irobot and möller cars |
| [11:30:32] | mchou: | hume: get whatever is cheap from nvidia |
| [11:30:42] | hume: | thx..great |
| [11:31:04] | justinh: | let's not forget the kind of UIs where you need to wear 'special' gloves & do some weird 'big fish, little fish, cardboard box' hand waving to control it instead of a remote :P |
| [11:31:59] | AndyCap: | and that in a future that seemed to have excellent eye tracking |
| [11:32:01] | mchou: | there is no need to wear special gloves. |
| [11:32:12] | mchou: | wiimote does the trick |
| [11:32:18] | AndyCap: | ... |
| [11:32:32] | mchou: | and wiimote does eye tracking already |
| [11:33:15] | mchou: | and wiimote is multi-touch just like iPhone |
| [11:33:33] | mchou: | the future is here! |
| [11:33:49] | justinh: | so where's my helper robot & flying car? :-O |
| [11:34:18] | AndyCap: | justinh: möller has your flying car. you'd have to provide your own Mr. Fusion though |
| [11:34:35] | mchou: | forget moller. aptera.com |
| [11:34:45] | AndyCap: | http://bttf.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Mrfusion.png |
| [11:34:58] | mchou: | coming soon to California |
| [11:35:09] | mchou: | http://www.aptera.com |
| [11:35:33] | mchou: | in about 2–3 months, actually |
| [11:35:49] | AndyCap: | mchou: that doesn't fly |
| [11:36:06] | mchou: | aptera=="Wingless flight" in Greek |
| [11:36:48] | mchou: | screw flying. Calfornians can hardly drive, never mind fly |
| [11:37:10] | mchou: | dont want no big wrecks |
| [11:37:30] | AndyCap: | http://www.moller.com/ |
| [11:37:51] | mchou: | justinh: look to iRobot for your personal needs |
| [11:41:07] | mchou: | moller is frigging ridiculous |
| [11:41:39] | mchou: | completely un-aerodynamic |
| [11:42:21] | mchou: | four turbo-props?? forget about it |
| [11:42:43] | gbee: | I think the bigger issue is that in the current economy it's entirely impractical |
| [11:42:59] | mchou: | gbee: I was gonna mention that too |
| [11:43:06] | mchou: | inefficient |
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| [11:44:06] | mchou: | plus it will blow bicyclists like me away |
| [11:44:09] | AndyCap: | well, there's a reason they've been messing about for 18 years. |
| [11:44:17] | AndyCap: | dunno where they keepp getting financing though |
| [11:44:33] | mchou: | I can see Critical Mass protests now |
| [11:44:52] | mchou: | Not to mention the noise pollution |
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| [11:45:13] | mchou: | someone shitcan that ASAP!! |
| [11:46:00] | mchou: | it's a worse idea than the Hummer |
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| [12:08:37] | nallic: | hello |
| [12:09:08] | nallic: | is there a way to make mythtv not go idle when someone is accessing the upnp server ? |
| [12:09:27] | nallic: | I use the auto shutdown feature |
| [12:09:45] | nallic: | and when connecting via UPNP it still shuts down |
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| [13:25:59] | |gunni|: | In mythtv 0.21 after cutting commercials and transcoding (high quality, no loss option) jumping forward and backward seems to be broken. Bug or misconfiguration? |
| [13:26:58] | |gunni|: | DVB is the source of the recording |
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| [13:54:14] | sebastian_: | how do i connect to my xbox 360 console thorugh this program? |
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| [13:56:09] | famicom: | uhm |
| [13:56:19] | famicom: | learn to ask a decent question first |
| [13:56:25] | famicom: | this isn't Xbox Live |
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| [13:56:53] | laga_: | wait, so this isn't 12 year olds screaming profanities at each other? i've been in here for *years* |
| [13:57:02] | laga_: | i guess those people are 15 now. okay. |
| [13:57:16] | famicom: | FU gaytard |
| [13:57:22] | famicom: | im 16! |
| [13:58:11] | GreyFoxx: | sebas: Are you trying to record the output of the xbox ? |
| [14:00:08] | sebastian_: | i want to stream music and movie |
| [14:00:55] | famicom: | stream what from where to what with whom |
| [14:01:05] | GreyFoxx: | ok. Welll the Music bit is broken when dealing with an xbox 360 but video content can be streammed (but not regular recordings |
| [14:01:33] | GreyFoxx: | On the backend machine make sure that mythtv-setup has the backends IP set to the real IP of the machine and not 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:01:44] | GreyFoxx: | (then restart the backend if you had to change it) |
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| [14:02:29] | GreyFoxx: | and then on that same backend run mythfrontend and go to the mythvideo settings and ensure the video dir is pointing to a place where your videos actually are which should be the same place as all other frontends are looking |
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| [14:03:13] | sebastian_: | but how do i setup myth frontend? |
| [14:03:35] | famicom: | google for xbox360 mythfrontend setup |
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| [14:03:44] | famicom: | thats all the info you will ever need |
| [14:03:45] | sebastian_: | ok thx |
| [14:03:54] | GreyFoxx: | Ok you aren't far enough along to use my intructions, so you need to go over regular mythfrontend docs to get it configured first |
| [14:04:15] | laga_: | i guess a regular upnp server might do as well ;) |
| [14:04:24] | famicom: | yeah |
| [14:04:34] | famicom: | just make sure you dont leave your pin empty |
| [14:04:38] | famicom: | X_X |
| [14:04:44] | gbee: | aye, I'd suggest looking at another application, I'm not sure MythTV is really what you are after |
| [14:04:54] | famicom: | nah |
| [14:04:55] | famicom: | let him |
| [14:05:03] | GreyFoxx: | The main thing to remember is that the 360 is a poor video player and not capable of many vdeo formats or containers |
| [14:05:06] | famicom: | He either gives up and quits |
| [14:05:06] | GreyFoxx: | very limited |
| [14:05:13] | sebastian_: | i know |
| [14:05:16] | famicom: | or he goes on and ends up hacking every appliance in the house |
| [14:05:22] | sebastian_: | i hate microsoft |
| [14:05:26] | sebastian_: | i hate microsoft |
| [14:05:32] | famicom: | I hate jews |
| [14:05:38] | famicom: | but you don't hear me talk about it |
| [14:05:41] | sebastian_: | haha |
| [14:05:42] | famicom: | dont be so negative |
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| [14:06:22] | noaxess_kubuntu: | found my problem, why my tv-card wan't work.. |
| [14:06:40] | famicom: | The international communist zionist banking conspiracy? |
| [14:07:04] | noaxess_kubuntu: | have now activated kernel 2.6.24–16 instead of 2.6.24–19 and it works.. anyone an idea why' |
| [14:07:19] | noaxess_kubuntu: | i work on mythbuntu |
| [14:07:44] | noaxess_kubuntu: | 8.04.1 |
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| [14:10:07] | gbee: | v4l is broken with API changes in more recent kernels, or something like that – haven't been following the discussion |
| [14:10:20] | noaxess_kubuntu: | gbee: ok |
| [14:10:35] | laga_: | noaxess_kubuntu: file a bug report against the kernel and against mythbuntu |
| [14:10:42] | noaxess_kubuntu: | do you have a link that i can read? |
| [14:10:49] | noaxess_kubuntu: | laga_: i will |
| [14:10:56] | laga_: | noaxess_kubuntu: http://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu |
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| [14:35:35] | psipsi: | Is anyone here using storage groups? I added another drive to my default storage group and it is not using it at all. I'm running SVN... is this something that is currently broken? |
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| [14:53:04] | gbee: | works fine here |
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| [15:02:18] | psipsi: | thanks. I think it's a disk or filesystem issue. |
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| [15:10:51] | kdubois: | using schedule direct, it gave me the names of the channels, but not the program info. i ran mythfilldatabase, but it doesn't retrieve the listings. how can i get it to retrieve the EPG data in addition to the channel data? |
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| [15:30:48] | justinh: | heh. people asking for ready-made binaries of mythfrontend for windows. suckers for punishment |
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| [15:38:18] | directhex: | justinh, just zip up the 3.5gb of staging areas, and tell them about the 4 places mysql.txt needs manually tweaking |
| [15:40:00] | justinh: | is that all? ROFLMAO |
| [15:42:17] | directhex: | oh, and it segfaults without warning if it can't connect to the mysql server as it expects |
| [15:42:26] | directhex: | so those mysql.txt files had better be spot on |
| [15:43:05] | directhex: | or it did last time i built fixes |
| [15:44:36] | laga_: | "I myself am looking forward to run QT version of Firefox (QT means it’s designed for KDE, not Gnome as the default Firefox is). " |
| [15:44:54] | laga_: | ah, the amount of wisdom on planet ubuntu ;) |
| [15:45:01] | justinh: | KireFoks ? |
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| [15:45:56] | wagnerrp: | justinh: maybe ready-made binaries are not to be expected, but neither is spending 5 hours getting environmental shit installed, only to have mythtv not compile |
| [15:46:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: sounds very much like it's still worth putting linux on then :D |
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| [15:47:30] | gbee: | where has anyone said that MythTV is ready for the end user to compile and run on Windows? |
| [15:47:30] | directhex: | laga_, yeah, because gecko is so wonderful and i'm so jealous of gecko browswers instead of smelly webkit-based ones |
| [15:47:45] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is about the only reason i have linux running at home |
| [15:48:04] | gbee: | OSX? |
| [15:48:14] | wagnerrp: | i prefer windows for desktops, and freebsd sucks balls for anything multimedia |
| [15:48:38] | wagnerrp: | i dont like OSX, my mind doesnt function the apple way |
| [15:48:59] | laga_: | yeah. windows vista on the desktop |
| [15:49:05] | gbee: | well if you've got money to burn on Windows, fair play to you ;) |
| [15:49:10] | laga_: | my favourite thing |
| [15:49:16] | wagnerrp: | havent made the jump to vista yet |
| [15:49:22] | justinh: | but windows is free! |
| [15:49:22] | wagnerrp: | and windows is $6 for me |
| [15:50:28] | justinh: | then again, why the hell people can't just use some copy of Vista MCE instead is beyond me. they don't want to use linux, it has to suck ;) |
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| [15:50:57] | gbee: | what's that, the cost of the internet connection used to download it? Or are they pushing extreme discounts for students (the get them addicted while they are young policy) |
| [15:51:02] | AndyCap: | heck, buy a new computer and you probably get it for "free" |
| [15:51:10] | wagnerrp: | gbee: the latter |
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| [15:51:22] | laga_: | i actually pay nothing for windows. some special student license here |
| [15:51:31] | directhex: | MSDNAA |
| [15:51:42] | AndyCap: | perversely generous edu discounts from MS. |
| [15:51:45] | wagnerrp: | XP Pro (plus x64) was $6 for the first copy, $60 for subsequent |
| [15:51:51] | gbee: | AndyCap: heh, certainly that's redefining the word free ;) |
| [15:51:57] | justinh: | wagnerrp: like crack :D |
| [15:52:06] | AndyCap: | gbee: well, bundled. :) |
| [15:52:14] | wagnerrp: | vista ultimate was $15, although it didnt come with the x64 version, so i have not yet bothered to install it |
| [15:52:14] | directhex: | the first hit is always free |
| [15:52:17] | AndyCap: | along with crap and barbed wire |
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| [15:56:12] | justinh: | boy electrocuted climbing pylon. bear shits in woods |
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| [15:58:34] | AndyCap: | justinh: haha, reminds me of http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/br . . . /3410265.stm |
| [15:59:38] | justinh: | almost a darwin award |
| [16:00:54] | wagnerrp: | accidental suicide, hanging upside down from a bridge, burning |
| [16:01:27] | wagnerrp: | is lung damage from fire repairable? |
| [16:01:33] | justinh: | no idea |
| [16:01:45] | wagnerrp: | or is that permanent damage |
| [16:02:17] | justinh: | maybe the criteria of the darwin award should be widened a bit to include people who merely prevent procreation as well as those who kill themselves by accident |
| [16:02:20] | AndyCap: | heh, I would think the cells there replenish too, but I dunno. and maybe they're full of soot |
| [16:02:31] | AndyCap: | justinh: hehe |
| [16:02:53] | wagnerrp: | justinh: it does |
| [16:03:12] | wagnerrp: | you merely have to take yourself out of the gene pool, you dont actually have to kill yourself |
| [16:03:14] | justinh: | technically they could still be in the gene pool even when they're no longer alive though :-O |
| [16:03:32] | justinh: | </pedantry> |
| [16:04:49] | justinh: | ffs more talk on the -users list of serious show sharing |
| [16:05:21] | justinh: | keeping bittorrent out of myth might not have been enough, I fear |
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| [16:05:57] | wagnerrp: | well bittorrent in mythtv is just a horribly bad idea from any way you look at it |
| [16:06:00] | wagnerrp: | not just legal |
| [16:06:27] | justinh: | I knew this'd start happening more & more as myth gets more 'mainstream' |
| [16:06:28] | wagnerrp: | file sharing in general is a bad idea, because now you have hundreds of copies of the same show |
| [16:07:28] | wagnerrp: | at best, with digital, you could do some checksumming to figure out what parts of whos recordings are different, but then who is to say who has the perfect recording |
| [16:07:33] | justinh: | technically, people could swap VHS – but that wasn't talked about anywhere other than in private – but it was still on the outside of what was considered 'fair use' |
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| [16:08:19] | justinh: | wagnerrp: point is, people are talking about sharing shows, even if only between themselves. on searchable, archived forums. HELLO! |
| [16:08:55] | wagnerrp: | i see what youre saying, it brings attention to mythtv whether or not anything actually comes of it |
| [16:09:04] | justinh: | moderate the mailing lists ;) |
| [16:09:54] | PatrickDK: | heh, if we has open searchable world accessable forums back when people used vhs :) |
| [16:10:22] | wagnerrp: | BBSs were before my time... |
| [16:11:14] | PatrickDK: | I was thinking of the bulliten board at the local supermarket :) |
| [16:11:34] | wagnerrp: | well now the local supermarket has its own video rental box |
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| [16:19:01] | Gimpy: | how come when deleting a show that is schedualed to record from the guide there is still a "letter" ie F,A,S still in that shows time block |
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| [16:19:48] | wagnerrp: | did you delete the whole schedule? or did you prevent a single show from being recorded as part of a schedule? |
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| [16:21:13] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: a told it to do a single record , then i kept pressing "R" and cycling though the record options then I pushed "D" to remove it from recording and a letter is is present it its time block |
| [16:21:56] | wagnerrp: | there will only be a letter if there is still some rule associated with that show |
| [16:22:43] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: that what i thaught, so i whent and check upcomming recording that that show is not in that list |
| [16:25:58] | gbee: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2 |
| [16:26:04] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i just tested that on anter show and the show wili delete from upcomminy recordings but the letter stays in that time block |
| [16:28:21] | wagnerrp: | if you go into schedule recordings, set priorities, there will be some rule set for that show |
| [16:28:23] | wagnerrp: | just delete it |
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| [16:30:18] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: do i need to create a rule so that this doesn't happen again? |
| [16:30:35] | CCFL_Man3: | little moe with the gimpy leg |
| [16:30:48] | wagnerrp: | whatever youre doing, youre creating a rule for that show |
| [16:30:54] | wagnerrp: | meaning youre not properly deleting it |
| [16:31:12] | wagnerrp: | all you have to do is properly delete the rule and it wont happen again |
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| [16:32:35] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: so i have deleteed the rule for every show except the tne that is going to be recording. so now if i go and tell a show to record and then delete it i shouldn't have to go into set priorities and delete the show there? |
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| [16:33:14] | wagnerrp: | oh! so you did record the show, and then deleted the recording afterwards? |
| [16:33:39] | wagnerrp: | i thought you just made a rule, and then tried to delete the rule |
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| [16:34:08] | wagnerrp: | any show you ever record is tracked by mythtv |
| [16:34:33] | wagnerrp: | and it will automatically not record that show a second time, unless you specifically tell it to |
| [16:34:59] | wagnerrp: | so lets say you record a show, and then later you want to record the whole series, it wont re-record that same show |
| [16:35:16] | wagnerrp: | and it makes a note in the listings that you have already recorded it in the past, even if youve deleted it since |
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| [16:35:48] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: no i delated the rule under set priorities to delete the letter that was in the timeblock . so I went back into the guide and tested this and i still have the same problem where i have to go into set priorties to remove the show there far that latter in that shows timeslot to disappear |
| [16:36:31] | wagnerrp: | ok then, that means youre just not deleting the record rule properly |
| [16:37:13] | wagnerrp: | i really have no idea what youre doing, but youre doing something improperly |
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| [16:38:41] | wagnerrp: | i just went into the guide, told something to record, saved it, and the letter showed up |
| [16:39:05] | wagnerrp: | i went back into the guide, edited the recording rule, told it not to record, saved it, and the letter went away |
| [16:39:11] | wagnerrp: | seems pretty straight forward to me |
| [16:39:13] | skerit: | The Openoffice database program can't open the mythconverg "channel" table because it can't convert the 0000-00–00 dates in column 25 (last record) |
| [16:39:16] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: ok i go to schedule recordings >> program guide, select show press "R" to go though recording options, then press "d" to delete the recording. the recording removes from upcomming recording but the letter stays in that shows repective timeslot |
| [16:39:20] | skerit: | Does someone know some way around this? |
| [16:40:22] | wagnerrp: | nope, letter goes away |
| [16:40:34] | wagnerrp: | what letter is in the box? |
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| [16:41:01] | Gimpy: | "F" but if i did a sigle recording it would be "S" |
| [16:41:42] | dustybin: | surely openoffice database isnt designed for mysql? |
| [16:42:43] | skerit: | It's capable of opening it using a java driver... Do you know a better frontend |
| [16:42:49] | skerit: | Not phpmyadmin though |
| [16:43:04] | dustybin: | skerit: mysql |
| [16:43:21] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: nope, hitting 'd' deletes the rule |
| [16:44:03] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: so is that what i'm doing wrong? |
| [16:44:09] | skerit: | Err, maybe something a bit more graphical? I love the cli but not for manipulating my database |
| [16:44:11] | wagnerrp: | apparently |
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| [16:44:32] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: so what should i be doing |
| [16:44:58] | wagnerrp: | i dont know, but when i do that, there are no letters left |
| [16:45:18] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i could think of there being a letter there is if you previously recorded that show |
| [16:45:23] | wagnerrp: | in which case there would be a 'P' |
| [16:46:46] | Gimpy: | should i just wait and ask around here later? becaus i would think whes you delete the recording that you would have no letter in that shows timeblock |
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| [16:47:19] | wagnerrp: | gimpy, are you deleting the recording (the actual file) or the rule? |
| [16:47:42] | wagnerrp: | the only reason a letter would be there is if you still have a rule active on that show |
| [16:48:36] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: ok thats weird now it seems to be working correctly , i haven't don't anything other then what we went over |
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| [16:51:03] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i also discoverd that if you forget to read what time block the show starts and try to record a show that is in a time that has already past the letter wont delete (I could had swn i was trying this with shows that where comming up, i must had been just outside that time window) |
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| [16:52:17] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be able to tell it to record something that has already passed |
| [16:52:24] | wagnerrp: | it will just refuse to create such a rule |
| [16:52:34] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: is upnp in the ebuild by defalt? i tenk it is because when i close mythtv i get a line that says closing or unhockiny upnp (or somthiny to that efect with upnp |
| [16:53:47] | wagnerrp: | im going to say yes, because there is no 'upnp' flag for mythtv |
| [16:53:50] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: it will allow me to say i want to record a show that has passed but it wili tell me that the show couldn't be recorded |
| [16:54:17] | wagnerrp: | if i go to a show in the past and hit record, it does nothing |
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| [16:54:26] | Gimpy: | brb 15–20 min |
| [16:54:41] | wagnerrp: | i have to go into the menu and tell it to do something possible, like record a series, or record one showing |
| [16:55:24] | wagnerrp: | hmm... it seems to create the rule, but it does not show up in the schedule |
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| [17:00:16] | TauPan: | hi... I've just switched from x86 debian unstable to amd64, compiled mythtv from svn and I can play old recordings, but live tv is just green. |
| [17:00:31] | TauPan: | tvtime works |
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| [17:02:38] | wagnerrp: | you have a PVR tuner? |
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| [17:02:50] | TauPan: | no, old hauppauge analog tuner |
| [17:02:59] | wagnerrp: | right, PVR-150/250 |
| [17:03:04] | TauPan: | bt848 |
| [17:03:10] | TauPan: | no, not pvr :) |
| [17:03:21] | TauPan: | sorry, the question was not to me? |
| [17:03:26] | wagnerrp: | oh, ive seen the green when i didnt have my 150 set up correctly |
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| [17:03:30] | wagnerrp: | anyway, probably the same issue |
| [17:03:38] | wagnerrp: | your card drivers arent set up correctly |
| [17:03:46] | wagnerrp: | err... no, you said tvtime works |
| [17:03:47] | TauPan: | I've repeated the video card setup. |
| [17:03:52] | TauPan: | yup |
| [17:04:01] | TauPan: | err the capture card setup, sorry |
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| [17:04:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont know |
| [17:04:55] | TauPan: | I remember dimly that there was some issue with nvidia cards... I'm supposed to either turn some sync setting on or off, I can't remember which. |
| [17:05:06] | gbee: | v4l is broken with recent kernels |
| [17:05:29] | TauPan: | it's 2.4.26 |
| [17:06:03] | TauPan: | I've used 2.4.23 before... so how recent are you talking about? |
| [17:06:09] | wagnerrp: | there was a x64 version of the 2.4 kernel? |
| [17:06:18] | TauPan: | err |
| [17:06:19] | gbee: | 2.6.25 upwards iirc |
| [17:06:43] | TauPan: | 2.6.23 on i586, 2.6.26 on amd64, sorry |
| [17:07:06] | TauPan: | 2.4 was ages ago :) |
| [17:07:22] | TauPan: | hm |
| [17:07:40] | TauPan: | I could try to install an old 2.6.24, but iirc there are some security issues |
| [17:08:14] | gbee: | TauPan: your distro should supply a patch version of the 2.6.24 kernel addressing any known security issues |
| [17:08:30] | TauPan: | or is there a patch for those v4l issues? I need to recompile the kernel anyways, since I need realtime support |
| [17:08:40] | gbee: | there is a patch in trac but it's not even close to being a proper fix |
| [17:08:54] | TauPan: | in the mythtv trac? |
| [17:09:23] | gbee: | a patch for MythTV that is – switches from using the V4L compat API to the V4L2 API |
| [17:09:34] | TauPan: | ah |
| [17:09:39] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5608 |
| [17:10:18] | TauPan: | I think tvtime already uses v4l2, but I'm not sure... tvtime is a lot more stale than mythtv is it not? |
| [17:10:29] | CCFL_Man2: | think the weather channel will send me an intellistar? |
| [17:10:30] | TauPan: | I mean tvtime isn't actively developped any more. |
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| [17:11:18] | TauPan: | oh, this looks exactly like my issue |
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| [17:12:10] | gbee: | V4L2 is already used by MythTV for most drivers, but 2/3 of them had to use the old legacy stuff, some of them might still do |
| [17:12:46] | TauPan: | ok, I'll try that patch |
| [17:13:16] | TauPan: | woops, it's just a line commented out |
| [17:13:49] | gbee: | yeah, like I said, it's not a proper fix but it might at least work for you |
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| [17:14:22] | TauPan: | I'm curious, I'll take a closer look. |
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| [17:17:45] | TauPan: | oh well... I'll just try it... it's less hassle than installing a new kernel |
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| [17:24:37] | TauPan: | yes, that fixed it |
| [17:24:52] | TauPan: | thank you very much! :) |
| [17:26:02] | TauPan: | now I just get "Loading preview video" in the epg frequently... but I just messed with my display settings and need to revert them |
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| [17:30:39] | ShdwShinobi: | Hi, I can't switch between Digital TV, Analog TV, Composite, or S-Video. |
| [17:30:43] | TauPan: | I'll do that later. Thanks for your help! :) |
| [17:32:04] | squish102: | if the signal is coming in 720p and using hdmi out of mythtv, will it make any difference if i had a 720 lcd or a 1080p lcd? |
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| [17:42:17] | gbee: | no, unless you want to invest for the future |
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| [17:43:14] | Uranellus: | hello, I've got a terratec cinergy xs hybrid fm .. I got it to work with drivers provided on mcentral and me-tv, but it will not work (= mythtv /finds/ channels, but there is only snow on the screen) with mythtv (or e.g. tvtime). what can I do? |
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| [17:45:36] | dustybin: | my sister wants to move the TV into the other room, there is no antenna in the other room, so she will have to use mythtv frontend :-) |
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| [17:46:11] | ** dustybin imagines lots of channel conflicts when sister starts using mythtv ** | |
| [17:47:48] | squish102: | thanks gbee, i have no idea is US cable will ever broadcast in 1080p |
| [17:48:16] | squish102: | what is over-the-air broadcast in? 720p too? |
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| [17:48:41] | wagnerrp: | the US will never broadcast in 1080p |
| [17:48:50] | wagnerrp: | not until they decide to upgrade past ATSC |
| [17:49:08] | wagnerrp: | which considering how long NTSC has been in place, will not be for 20–30 years |
| [17:49:12] | gbee: | bluray is probably the only likely source of 1080p |
| [17:49:38] | wagnerrp: | probably never considering we will have moved to some other distribution medium by the time they would consider a change |
| [17:49:39] | gbee: | wagnerrp: by which time they'll be looking at ultrahd instead ;) |
| [17:49:49] | dustybin: | anyone know where i can download the mythbuntu theme? |
| [17:50:11] | wagnerrp: | DVB can handle 1080p |
| [17:50:30] | gbee: | yup |
| [17:50:41] | wagnerrp: | as can IPTV, and that 'truehd' shit the satellite companies are advertising over here |
| [17:50:47] | squish102: | ok so if not using a bluray, it is a safe bet to buy a 720p |
| [17:50:49] | gbee: | though whether they'll really throw the bandwidth at it ... |
| [17:50:50] | sphery: | Actually, ATSC can handle 1080p @ 24fps and 30fps |
| [17:51:06] | sphery: | whether broadcasters actually use it, I can't tell you |
| [17:51:12] | wagnerrp: | cable may decide to provide 1080p, but i dont know if their hardware supports it |
| [17:51:16] | sphery: | never looked that closely at my recordings |
| [17:51:47] | dustybin: | would this be a good place to download the mythbuntu theme: http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/all/mythtv-t . . . ntu/download |
| [17:52:15] | squish102: | so is ATSC an inferior standard to the rest of the world again (aka NTSC/PAL) |
| [17:52:21] | sphery: | but, I have a sneaking suspicion that if they're not using 1080p24 (for movies or other 24fps source) or 1080p30, they will be in the future (once they start to figure out the whole digital thing) |
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| [17:56:00] | gbee: | squish102: maybe not by much, if anything, but it is yet another example of the US deciding to be deliberately different (difficult) |
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| [17:56:42] | sphery: | exactly |
| [17:56:52] | josss: | hi i am trying to upgrade my version of mythtv and cannot find the file record.sql |
| [17:57:02] | sphery: | and then trying to push their own different approach on other parts of the world |
| [17:57:16] | sphery: | josss: you mean mc.sql? |
| [17:57:29] | sphery: | Though, for an upgrade, you won't need mc.sql. |
| [17:57:43] | josss: | yeah its an upgrade from 0.18 |
| [17:58:17] | sphery: | All you need to do is run mythtv-setup or mythbackend and it will automatically upgrade your database to the current version. |
| [17:58:22] | noaxess_kubuntu: | does anybody know about a problem of kernel 2.6.24.x and v4l? my problem is, that my saa7146 sometimes work sometimes not.. |
| [17:58:40] | sphery: | If you're changing hosts or moving the DB to another system (or other OS), there are other things you should do--basically a backup/restore. |
| [17:58:40] | josss: | sphery, thanks |
| [17:58:40] | gbee: | in DVB you have a well established standard which is now used throughout Europe, Oceania, parts of Asia and spreading |
| [17:59:11] | sphery: | josss: If you do a backup restore, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [17:59:26] | josss: | ok thanks |
| [17:59:32] | sphery: | josss: the scripts mentioned there will also allow you to change the hostname |
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| [18:01:08] | sphery: | gbee: And, in ATSC, you have DVB--a well established standard--that was modified by the US enough to quell the "not-invented-here" crowd. :) |
| [18:01:37] | sphery: | but also modified enough that it won't interoperate with DVB equipment |
| [18:02:22] | gbee: | which hurts equipment manufacturers in the US and just generally causes headaches for everyone |
| [18:02:33] | sphery: | and costs everyone more money |
| [18:02:58] | squish102: | so who is reponsible for making those stupid changes? |
| [18:03:38] | sphery: | Perhaps the world's choice will eventually win out in TV, too, like it appears to (finally) be doing in cell phone tech (as GSM is finally taking hold here). |
| [18:04:18] | gbee: | sphery: just as GSM is being replaced with third gen tech everywhere else ;) |
| [18:04:36] | sphery: | Though with the government involved in TV, wagnerrp's timeline is probably not a bad guess (though, perhaps, optimistic) |
| [18:04:59] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, well, GSM and successors (HSDPA, etc.--I can't keep up and just recently learned to spell GSM :) |
| [18:06:24] | gbee: | well UMTS etc are evolved from GMS anyway |
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| [18:07:10] | gbee: | can't say I've kept up because the primary benefit of those advantages is data and I've yet to see mobile data as something practical and affordable |
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| [18:08:34] | gbee: | even bloody wifi is insanely expensive here – for the pay networks at least, happily free access can still be found at times |
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| [18:09:45] | wagnerrp: | couple $ an hour, or $10/day |
| [18:09:53] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah, I don't care to pay $60 a month in addition to my $40/mo cell phone bill to get data through the cell phone when my home 'net access is $40/mo (and I can't drop it) |
| [18:10:00] | ** gbee grumbles about Travelodge and T-Mobile operating out of service stations ** | |
| [18:10:13] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i'm back |
| [18:11:04] | gbee: | sphery: feel the same way, only data charges are higher here – at least on plans which suit me |
| [18:11:07] | sphery: | I was hoping that when Starbucks dropped T-Mobile and went with AT&T service and started providing it for free that T-Mobile might reconsider its rates, but no such luck |
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| [18:11:19] | cak: | hello |
| [18:11:25] | wagnerrp: | i thought starbucks was free (with a coffee) |
| [18:11:59] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, I'm sure replacing the $ with the pound symbol, the prices are probably right for you (meaning about 2x what I pay :) |
| [18:12:24] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: letter in show timeblock when that time has passed |
| [18:12:45] | sphery: | wagnerrp: it is now free, but used to be the T-Mobile standard couple bucks an hour or $10/day |
| [18:12:50] | gbee: | wifi is charged at $10+ an hour ... considering what 24hr 10Mb broadband costs me at home (between $20–50 depending how you view it) that's just extortionate |
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| [18:13:23] | wagnerrp: | gimpy: i dont know why its doing that. but you can always use the standard axiom, 'if it hurts, stop doing it' |
| [18:13:40] | gbee: | that's $20–50 a month ... compared to $10 an hour |
| [18:13:56] | cak: | if u want free wifi try using aircrack :) |
| [18:14:01] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: whats the standard? |
| [18:14:09] | dustybin: | mythbuntu theme is just symlinked to project grahem, what a horrible way of making a theme |
| [18:14:48] | gbee: | cak: hardly anyone using WEP over here now, still plenty of free access points but not always where you need them to be |
| [18:15:09] | gbee: | non-chain hotels are the best for free wifi normally |
| [18:15:18] | justinh: | ones I've found have either been WPA or just plain open |
| [18:15:26] | xand: | gbee: that's rubbish |
| [18:15:39] | xand: | most people have BT HomeHubs... set to WEP |
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| [18:15:43] | josss: | when trying to compile mythtv i get the error QMAKESPEC has not been set? |
| [18:15:45] | cak: | guys could anybody advise me on good tutorial for setting up mythtv with composite input ? |
| [18:15:54] | xand: | because BT have no clue |
| [18:15:57] | justinh: | xand: most people.. that's rubbish indeed |
| [18:16:13] | justinh: | you can tell what most people have just by the SSID |
| [18:16:31] | xand: | no |
| [18:16:36] | gbee: | xand: err no, spend last week trying to find an access point on holiday – ALL but a couple of the BT access points were WPA or WPA2 |
| [18:16:38] | sphery: | josss: which MythTV? Are you building the stable one, 0.21-fixes (that's the one you want)? |
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| [18:16:54] | gbee: | and I must have looked at a hundred of the damn things |
| [18:17:03] | xand: | gbee: well maybe BT updated their firmware very recently |
| [18:17:07] | cak: | gbee that's just bad luck :) |
| [18:17:15] | sphery: | josss: http://svn.mythtv.org/ and look for the "if you want the stable branch" part |
| [18:17:17] | justinh: | xand: they got round to it after the last round of bad press |
| [18:17:20] | xand: | ah |
| [18:17:26] | cak: | gbee, still plenty wep in NY :) |
| [18:17:28] | josss: | ok thanks |
| [18:17:28] | justinh: | plus anybody fool enough to use BT deserves it |
| [18:17:32] | sphery: | josss: Though, really, the package-based approach is probably a better choice... |
| [18:17:35] | gbee: | Sky, Tiscali ones were WPA too |
| [18:17:35] | xand: | I withdraw my comments |
| [18:17:55] | term: | is there a way to fix missing channels without wiping out pretty much everything else? I appear to be missing ~10 channels for no good reason. |
| [18:17:57] | sphery: | josss: which distro? |
| [18:18:01] | justinh: | considering how easy wireless is to set up, it's no surprise most people secure their wireless |
| [18:18:01] | josss: | gentoo |
| [18:18:10] | josss: | old version |
| [18:18:15] | xand: | hmm |
| [18:18:16] | cak: | what's bt anyway ? |
| [18:18:18] | gbee: | plenty of "belkin54g" and "Netgear" were just open, but appeared to be configured with MAC address blocks |
| [18:18:25] | xand: | british telecom |
| [18:18:28] | sphery: | josss: and you're using the ebuilds? |
| [18:18:30] | cak: | oh |
| [18:18:38] | xand: | right |
| [18:18:44] | josss: | Linux fs 2.6.17-gentoo-r4 #8 Sat Sep 9 10:46:47 BST 2006 |
| [18:18:46] | josss: | no |
| [18:18:50] | justinh: | 19:17 < justinh> plus anybody fool enough to use BT deserves it – also applies to the other 'BT' :P |
| [18:19:09] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah, and though it's easy enough to spoof a MAC address, you have to guess the right one (unless you can see enough traffic on the link :) |
| [18:19:18] | justinh: | gbee: btw did you have a good holiday? |
| [18:19:18] | gbee: | cak: ISPs over here tend to throw in wireless+ADSL routers in when you take out a contract |
| [18:19:19] | xand: | recommendations for dvb-t cards? my nova-t 500 has now completely died rather than just getting crap reception half the time (apparently the usb bits "unplugged" themselves the other night) |
| [18:19:36] | xand: | justinh: I can think of two others... bluetooth? |
| [18:19:56] | sphery: | josss: Well, I know gentoo has ebuilds for Myth stuff, but that's the extent of my Gentoo knowledge... |
| [18:20:00] | cak: | gbee for mac blocks i fake mac of associated client |
| [18:20:04] | gbee: | sphery: not worth the hassle trying to sniff the mac address if you just want a quick connection |
| [18:20:16] | josss: | sphery, ok thanks anyways |
| [18:20:23] | dustybin: | xand: make sure your usb bus is kept on in the kernel |
| [18:20:25] | xand: | but if you use BT you can use that feature where they let you use any BT AP ;) |
| [18:20:29] | dustybin: | my nova-t is rock solid |
| [18:20:32] | Uranellus: | hello, I've got a terratec cinergy xs hybrid fm .. I got it to work with drivers provided on mcentral and me-tv, but it will not work (= mythtv /finds/ channels, but there is only snow on the screen) with mythtv (or e.g. tvtime). what can I do? |
| [18:20:37] | xand: | dustybin: it's nothing to do with software. |
| [18:20:43] | dustybin: | strange |
| [18:20:53] | justinh: | stop using UTF-8, it's annoying :) |
| [18:20:56] | xand: | my nova-t is rock solid, my 500 is a POS |
| [18:21:02] | gbee: | cak: that's fine if you've got the time and there are connected clients, quicker in general just to drive/walk further up the street to find an open one |
| [18:21:07] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:21:21] | cak: | gbee, true :)) |
| [18:21:44] | xand: | I rebooted, reseated the card, etc... dmesg says its there but lspci does not show anything |
| [18:21:47] | justinh: | so much for the great white hope of the 'communitynet' or whatever. folks are scared stiff of being collared for downloading kiddy fiddling images |
| [18:21:52] | gbee: | xand: err, reboot – should be fine – it's driver related |
| [18:21:54] | xand: | and no /dev/video(1,2) |
| [18:22:18] | xand: | gbee: I did |
| [18:22:19] | gbee: | xand: /dev/dvb/adapter{0,1,2} etc |
| [18:22:35] | xand: | they are there... but mythtv only sees one tuner |
| [18:22:43] | gbee: | did you ever enable the LNA? That would account for the poor signal |
| [18:22:46] | wagnerrp: | its rather windy here right now |
| [18:22:51] | xand: | yes I did, it used to all be fine |
| [18:23:02] | justinh: | wind just blows the radio waves all over the place |
| [18:23:05] | sphery: | justinh: what's that Spanish company that's trying to get people to use their router that leaves an open "DMZ" and a "secured" internal net... |
| [18:23:19] | cak: | Does anybody know good tutorial for setting up mythtv on composite input ? |
| [18:23:21] | wagnerrp: | my neighbor, and one of his friends/coworkers/whatever are in their backyard building a shed |
| [18:23:25] | justinh: | sphery: no idea, but it's doomed to fail |
| [18:23:38] | wagnerrp: | my neighbor was inside, so the other guy was on a fold up chair under a tree |
| [18:23:49] | wagnerrp: | right next to a sizeable branch that fell about 5 minutes previous |
| [18:24:00] | justinh: | cak: I don't know of _any_ good tutorials anymore |
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| [18:24:05] | wagnerrp: | i asked him if sitting under that tree might not be such a good idea |
| [18:24:11] | justinh: | just RTFM, RTFM, ask questions about what you just RTFM |
| [18:24:12] | wagnerrp: | he didnt understand what i was getting at |
| [18:24:24] | gbee: | xand: :( fine has been fine for the past two years, same goes for the other Nova-T 500 users, there were some early driver/firmware issues but those have mostly been sorted |
| [18:24:25] | xand: | wagnerrp: what's the chance of two falling so soon? :P |
| [18:24:41] | xand: | gbee: yeah, maybe I just have a duff card. |
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| [18:25:00] | justinh: | duff card.. pff never heard such poppycock |
| [18:25:04] | cak: | Does anybody successfully used mythtv with composite input ? ?? |
| [18:25:07] | xand: | it was fine at first, then one of the tuners wouldn't record some muxes |
| [18:25:08] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: you still around? |
| [18:25:10] | gbee: | wagnerrp: that's what we call evolution |
| [18:25:11] | justinh: | unless your name is Mr Static |
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| [18:25:14] | xand: | now mythtv won't detect it. |
| [18:25:16] | wagnerrp: | an axiom is just a saying |
| [18:25:25] | wagnerrp: | when i say 'if it hurts, stop doing it' |
| [18:25:29] | justinh: | cak: yeah. it's just like making any other input work |
| [18:25:41] | wagnerrp: | that means 'if youre doing something that is causing erratic behavior in mythtv, stop it' |
| [18:26:06] | cak: | justinh, i'm having hard time with it |
| [18:26:10] | sphery: | justinh: http://www.fon.com/en Fon is the company and their router is the Fonera. Can sign up as a "Linus" and get free access to any Fonera router or as a "Bill" and recieve a portion of all money made from WiFi charges through your router. (Wonder where those names came from...) |
| [18:26:15] | justinh: | cak: it's easy :) |
| [18:26:31] | justinh: | cak: add a 'video source' – it doesn't even have to have EPG data |
| [18:26:37] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason to try to record a show in the past, so stop trying to confuse mythtv |
| [18:26:49] | cak: | justinh, done |
| [18:26:51] | justinh: | then just link the 'video source' to the card's composite input in 'input connections' |
| [18:27:00] | cak: | done |
| [18:27:07] | justinh: | course you need to have at least one channel on that 'video source' |
| [18:27:26] | cak: | i added channel in channel editor |
| [18:27:35] | justinh: | and said channel needs to be the one mythtv is set to start on (the default is '3') |
| [18:27:39] | justinh: | job done |
| [18:28:05] | cak: | justinh, i wish |
| [18:28:07] | justinh: | assuming of course you've set up the tuner card correctly in mythtv-setup in the first place, along with everything else |
| [18:28:33] | justinh: | but I'm not the kind of man patient enough to hand out walkthroughs. Oh no. I'm a c**t |
| [18:28:49] | cak: | justinh, i'm playing with it for 2 weeks now |
| [18:29:12] | dustybin: | !tell justinh about swearing |
| [18:29:12] | justinh: | if I hadn't grasped it in that time I'd have given up already |
| [18:29:16] | justinh: | life is too short |
| [18:29:54] | cak: | justinh, everything seems to be set like u said but mythtv either crash or i c black screen for a minute and then back to menu |
| [18:30:05] | justinh: | ffs why didn't you just say that? |
| [18:30:23] | justinh: | chances are, it'll be a VERY EASY fix |
| [18:30:48] | cak: | justinh, really ? |
| [18:30:51] | justinh: | 1. check the permissions on the default storage group – this is where everything will be recorded by default |
| [18:30:59] | cak: | ok |
| [18:31:02] | justinh: | 2. check that the tuner card type you set in mythtv-setup is correct |
| [18:31:31] | justinh: | 3. make sure the user mythbackend runs as (normally mythtv, but some people do silly things like run it as root) has permission to use the capture device |
| [18:31:33] | cak: | what do u mean tuner card type ? |
| [18:31:47] | justinh: | mythtv needs to know the type of tuner card it's dealing with |
| [18:31:52] | justinh: | what type of card is yours? |
| [18:31:59] | cak: | pixelview |
| [18:32:25] | cak: | seems to be detected right |
| [18:32:33] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't detect anything |
| [18:33:11] | justinh: | anyway, it's probably a framegrabber (V4L) device, so the default setting should be ok |
| [18:33:26] | justinh: | let's see some output from the backend log, then.. in a pastebin |
| [18:33:31] | cak: | yes it's v4l bttv blahblah |
| [18:33:42] | cak: | one sec |
| [18:34:31] | dustybin: | right, to make a diskless frontend, i first need to do a normal os install onto a hard disk on the frontend, then copy them system files over |
| [18:35:09] | gbee: | sphery: was thinking about Fon when having so much trouble last week, heard about them last year and I'm thinking I might sign up, have to check whether doing so might break my T&Cs though |
| [18:35:12] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: thats one way of doing it |
| [18:36:37] | wagnerrp: | depending on the distro, you may be able to boot up the install cd, mount the NFS directory to the local file system, and install straight onto NFS |
| [18:37:01] | dustybin: | right ok |
| [18:38:14] | wagnerrp: | gentoo offers their 'install' as a tarball, so i just unpack that to a directory, give it an nfs-aware kernel image, and im ready to go |
| [18:38:26] | dustybin: | ace |
| [18:38:30] | justinh: | ahh diskless booting. not for the unclued. best use a disk |
| [18:38:45] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: so that means you could chroot into it and do anything you want? |
| [18:38:52] | dustybin: | ie upgrade kernel etc |
| [18:38:55] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: correct |
| [18:39:02] | dustybin: | now i understand :-) |
| [18:39:30] | ** dustybin slaps justinh with a large trout ** | |
| [18:40:03] | dustybin: | im not unclued, just mentally challenged |
| [18:40:08] | justinh: | gentoo on a diskless box – I did that once. man, emerging was ever painful |
| [18:40:15] | wagnerrp: | justinh: ubuntu allows the unclued to run diskless booting |
| [18:40:32] | sphery: | gbee: Even if you don't get the router, you can use their AP's. You'll pay a fee, but it's generally lower than T-Mobile, et. al. |
| [18:40:34] | justinh: | the unclued still have to set up their own tftp & dhcp server though |
| [18:40:39] | wagnerrp: | were you here for the guy who didnt understand why any changes he made on the diskless machine were lost when he rebooted? |
| [18:41:00] | wagnerrp: | apparently ubuntu automatically sets up a union overlay |
| [18:41:08] | justinh: | :-\ |
| [18:41:21] | justinh: | whatever one of them is. |
| [18:41:25] | ** justinh goes back to not caring ** | |
| [18:41:30] | gbee: | sphery: true, but I thought it would be nice to give something back :) |
| [18:41:32] | dustybin: | how about a binary version of gentoo? |
| [18:41:37] | dustybin: | gentoobin |
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| [18:42:00] | wagnerrp: | union is just a memory based file system that sits on top of a read-only file system to accept writes |
| [18:42:22] | sphery: | gbee: Yeah, me too. Unfortunately, I'm not in a good location (just a residential area). Oh, and also, they give you 15mins of free "trial" usage. |
| [18:42:27] | wagnerrp: | changes to his file system were being written to memory, but never made it to disk, so he rebooted, and lost everything... repeatedly |
| [18:42:42] | justinh: | wagnerrp: there are so many ways that's funny |
| [18:43:23] | dustybin: | justinh: do you ever chroot into your netboot os and edit files? |
| [18:43:27] | dustybin: | or upgrade stuff? |
| [18:44:11] | gbee: | I really need to read up on how their router device might fit in with my existing network |
| [18:44:29] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: the only time i ever do that is when i manage to break the install to the point that the machine will no longer actually boot |
| [18:44:40] | dustybin: | bloody eck |
| [18:44:55] | justinh: | btw gbee my coding exercise didn't go very well. fallen at every hurdle. it's way over my head. I'll stick to what I know best.. xml files & easy peasy things |
| [18:45:04] | wagnerrp: | gbee: router device? |
| [18:45:23] | dustybin: | justinh: what language? |
| [18:45:29] | dustybin: | C++? |
| [18:45:42] | sphery: | I'm wondering if my router could be usable from the Target/Walmart/Starbucks that's nearby (maybe 1/3 mile as the photon flies) with a good can-tenna or something. |
| [18:46:16] | cak: | justinh, http://rafb.net/p/L51Os159.html |
| [18:46:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://www.fon.com/en |
| [18:46:57] | wagnerrp: | sphery: ah, if i ever did something like that, it would just get DMZd from the rest of my network and left alone |
| [18:47:29] | sphery: | That's pretty much what the router they give you does, already. It just DMZ's one net. |
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| [18:49:06] | wagnerrp: | of course since im at the end of some street, in technologically stunted suburbia, with double brick walls that block any 2.4GHz signals |
| [18:49:18] | wagnerrp: | i could safely attach a fon router without any expectation that it would ever get used |
| [18:50:21] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: how do i set up dsm-320 to work with mythtv since upnp is already installed? i think i should just beable to hook the dsm-320 up bue then how is it going to find mythtv |
| [18:50:32] | wagnerrp: | but then the same holds true that i would probably never see another fon router to connect to |
| [18:50:47] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: upnp 'just works', thats the magic of upnp |
| [18:51:02] | wagnerrp: | and if it doesnt 'just work', youre SOL |
| [18:51:21] | Gimpy: | ok will hook it up and let yau knaw if it works that easy |
| [18:51:39] | cak: | justinh, any ideas? |
| [18:51:46] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does not yet have on-the-fly transcode support |
| [18:52:11] | wagnerrp: | so most likely, only output from an mpeg encoder, or digital tuner will work |
| [18:52:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of any hardware that likes nuvs |
| [18:52:40] | sphery: | Gimpy: could be router blocking it |
| [18:52:49] | wagnerrp: | or firewall |
| [18:53:02] | sphery: | yeah |
| [18:53:15] | wagnerrp: | or considering he is going to go hook it up, most likely he hasnt even tried yet |
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| [18:53:41] | wagnerrp: | instead asking irc how to do it |
| [18:53:52] | wagnerrp: | HAH, he gave in |
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| [18:57:27] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: do i need to enable anythipg inside of myth for this to work, or just browse far a netwark like i would if thih was an ititial setup (sorrgif it seem redundunt question but i keep runnipg acrohs strage blogs) |
| [18:58:24] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: if should 'just work' |
| [18:58:44] | wagnerrp: | make sure youre not running mythbackend with the '-no-upnp' flag |
| [18:59:20] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: its gentoo i don't think there is a upnp flag to set |
| [18:59:36] | wagnerrp: | if you use the default scripts, it should just work |
| [18:59:41] | wagnerrp: | are you running a firewall?> |
| [18:59:49] | Gimpy: | no |
| [19:00:10] | Gimpy: | well if you wanto to count my wireless router using wpa a firewall |
| [19:00:35] | ** sphery wonders why Daniel doesn't want to fix #5718 ** | |
| [19:00:39] | wagnerrp: | did you do a custom kernel build? is it possible you left out multicast support for network? |
| [19:00:54] | dustybin: | this is how it should be done (my style is identical to none) |
| [19:00:56] | dustybin: | http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto |
| [19:00:59] | wagnerrp: | try adding the multicast routs |
| [19:01:16] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: is thae multicast q for me, not realy keeping up here |
| [19:01:48] | wagnerrp: | upnp identifies other machines by transmitting on a multicast address |
| [19:02:31] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i can't remaber i think i have it as a module |
| [19:03:43] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: how can i check to see if i have multicast enabled |
| [19:03:55] | wagnerrp: | it is not moduleable |
| [19:04:18] | wagnerrp: | ifconfig will tell you |
| [19:04:27] | wagnerrp: | 4th line for your respective network card |
| [19:04:51] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: ieh been a while so all i realy rember is i either built into the kernel or left it as a mod |
| [19:05:10] | wagnerrp: | it is not something you can load as a mod |
| [19:07:02] | Gimpy: | I guess i am "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MUlTICAST MTU: 1500 Metric:1" |
| [19:07:38] | wagnerrp: | try adding a multicast route |
| [19:08:02] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember the syntax |
| [19:08:15] | wagnerrp: | but its the command 'route' |
| [19:08:15] | dustybin: | wow im building a debian lenny system inside my system using: ltsp-build-client |
| [19:08:43] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: fyi i have my router out but gotta wait 'till gf is done vaccuming to hook it up |
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| [19:09:28] | wagnerrp: | this should not be done across a router, only a switch |
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| [19:14:08] | gbee: | sphery: guessing because it doesn't sound like the broadcaster is sending standard EIT information, the EIT handling in Myth is tried and tested, if it's suddenly not working with one particular broadcaster then it suggests they are at fault |
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| [19:18:33] | dustybin: | invoke-rc.d nfs-kernel-server reload |
| [19:18:33] | dustybin: | info: LTSP client installation completed successfully |
| [19:18:35] | dustybin: | :-) |
| [19:18:52] | laga_: | dustybin: messing with mythbuntu-diskless? |
| [19:19:02] | dustybin: | nope, debian lenny diskless |
| [19:19:07] | laga_: | ah. |
| [19:19:16] | gbee: | hmm, last time I looked at Fonera they were giving the routers away free, looks like that business model wasn't working |
| [19:19:22] | dustybin: | im sure that would of broke if i done that in ubuntu |
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| [19:20:09] | laga_: | dustybin: i doubt it. LTSP in ubuntu is awesome. |
| [19:20:21] | laga_: | although the awesomeness in debian is equal |
| [19:21:21] | dustybin: | well the awesomeness was ripped from debian anyway |
| [19:21:36] | dustybin: | then they might of bastardized it slightly to make it less awesome |
| [19:22:15] | dustybin: | debian is a distro i can 100% trusst |
| [19:22:59] | laga_: | yeah. especially because canonical paid oliver grawert to develop LTSP 5 and to turn it into a real upstream project. |
| [19:23:13] | laga_: | but hey, keep spreading your anti ubuntu FUD |
| [19:23:47] | bigdavediode: | Hi guys (and gals) — anyone getting the problem in the mythfrontend.log "AUDIO BUFFER OVERFLOW — AUDIO DATA LOST" when trying to watch tv. Just upgrade knoppmyth and it goes to the black screen, then returns to the menu. |
| [19:23:51] | dustybin: | :P |
| [19:23:56] | laga_: | if i had to come up with an example where inter-distro collaboration works, especially between debian and ubuntu, it'd be LTSP. |
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| [19:27:44] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [19:36:39] | wagnerrp: | my laptop is not really anything more than an x-terminal anymore |
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| [19:54:25] | mcquaid: | I have an old bttv tuner that gets most channels ok, but there are about 3 or 4 that are horrible. lots of lines/interference |
| [19:54:45] | wagnerrp: | so remove those channels from that source |
| [19:54:56] | mcquaid: | i know it's probably futile but i was going to try finetune. it's default is 0. What is the range for finetune? |
| [19:57:25] | mcquaid: | i'd rather not remove them yet, trying to see how good i can get them. i was doing finetune via mythweb as it's a little faster to see a result |
| [19:57:33] | mcquaid: | just wondering what the max range is of finetune |
| [20:00:02] | TauPan: | I can't anwer that, but in tvtime and xawtv I had good results with finetune values between +-7 |
| [20:04:03] | mcquaid: | ok thx |
| [20:04:28] | mcquaid: | i thought it was something like 0–255 coudlnt' remember. didn't want to plugin an invalid value via mythweb and have the backend wig out |
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| [20:05:32] | mcquaid: | and wagnerrp your suggestion of delete them from source is like going to the doc with a sore arm and the doc saying, don't worry we can amputate that in a jiffy |
| [20:05:59] | wagnerrp: | damn straight |
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| [20:08:08] | Decepticon: | http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/produc . . . 6-625-07.jpg what is this "remote reviever cable" |
| [20:10:38] | ShdwShinobi: | It's your IR sensor |
| [20:11:26] | Decepticon: | theres two things on it |
| [20:11:32] | Decepticon: | a small looking thing and a larger one |
| [20:11:48] | Decepticon: | what is each and which is which |
| [20:11:54] | ShdwShinobi: | Can you link me to the product page? |
| [20:12:07] | Decepticon: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116625 |
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| [20:13:14] | ShdwShinobi: | I'm not sure |
| [20:13:56] | TauPan: | mcquaid: I think much more than -7/+7 is possible, but I never needed more and you quickly get to the next channel... the kernel interface also allows to set a specific frequency, iirc. |
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| [20:31:00] | mcquaid: | thx again TauPan |
| [20:34:54] | dustybin: | im nearly there, when i boot my diskless frontend, it manages to grab the correct network settings from my DHCP server, but it keeps on saying 'file not found' |
| [20:34:59] | dustybin: | what is the standard file PXE looks for? |
| [20:39:21] | dustybin: | pxelinux.0 |
| [20:39:27] | dustybin: | hm im sure i dont have that file |
| [20:41:58] | sphery: | any ubuntu users, here, who want to run a /very/ simple test for me so I can see if Ubuntu Myth systems may be misconfigured (only requires command-line access to the box...) All I need to know is whether ls -ld /sys/kernel/uids gives an error (if so, good, if not, bad)? |
| [20:42:55] | directhex: | ls: cannot access /sys/kernel/uids: No such file or directory |
| [20:42:57] | sphery: | (basically, "No such file or directory," means the kernel is a good one for Myth users) |
| [20:43:01] | sphery: | cool. |
| [20:43:18] | sphery: | thanks for testing |
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| [20:43:50] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Dude you have *logs* that should tell you what BOOTP clients are looking for |
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| [20:52:44] | Timrit: | i was wondering if anyone knows why my myth frontend shuts down on the top of the hour but the backend keeps going and i have to issue a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend via ssh to the backend to reconnect. it only happens at the top of the hour and it happens every hour if i am trying to watch something like a football game and it is only on this front end. i have 3 or 4 of them around the house in various forms between desktops and |
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| [21:02:12] | fiyawerx: | Is there a specific distro that's generally recommended for a myth setup? |
| [21:02:28] | ShdwShinobi: | How can I properly configure the composite conenction to display? |
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| [21:03:51] | Redhammer: | hi I am living in the UK, actually in sight of the Crystal Palace transmitter and am having real trouble tuning some channels, I have over 70% signal strength but cannot get a lock |
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| [21:04:24] | Redhammer: | now I have install a variable attenuator and I can get a lock but signal strength drops to low to maintain consistent recording |
| [21:04:48] | Redhammer: | any ideas? also the LCN / channel numbers are all messed |
| [21:05:12] | Redhammer: | this is dvb reception btw |
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| [21:07:13] | directhex: | which mux? |
| [21:07:34] | Redhammer: | mux ? |
| [21:07:55] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: what media router would you sggest to use with myth, (i just got around to testing the one i have sitting for 2 month and its dead as dead can be) |
| [21:08:00] | directhex: | multiplex. freeview comes in on 6 multiplexes, which contain multiple channels each |
| [21:08:01] | Redhammer: | mulitplex ? |
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| [21:08:27] | Redhammer: | ah yes, sorry I am fine with bbc, I get five, film 4 itv2+1 for instance |
| [21:08:38] | Redhammer: | the regula ITV mux is really messed up |
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| [21:12:51] | directhex: | i think that's A |
| [21:13:20] | directhex: | hm, no, it's 2 |
| [21:13:31] | directhex: | is channel 4 messed up? e4? more4? |
| [21:15:15] | ShdwShinobi: | How do I set the channel for a composite video in Input Connections in the backend setup? |
| [21:16:51] | Redhammer: | yes |
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| [21:17:09] | Redhammer: | is there a list of mux'es |
| [21:17:30] | Redhammer: | so I can go through them and tell you which ones are messed up |
| [21:18:46] | directhex: | http://dtt.me.uk |
| [21:19:02] | Redhammer: | nice |
| [21:19:04] | Redhammer: | thanks |
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| [21:20:57] | Redhammer: | ok these work well 1 + D np, A and B are okay, 2 is a mess |
| [21:23:27] | dustybin: | i got it to boot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [21:24:44] | squish102: | recording in mpeg2 takes up lots of space, is there an easy way to convert to a more compressed format but keep the commercial flagging and keeping it as recordings? |
| [21:25:12] | squish102: | and i would like to do that only with certain shows (kids) |
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| [21:32:03] | Redhammer: | oh one thing to mention is that I can get all channels fine in windooose |
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| [21:37:57] | fiyawerx: | the mythtv.org wiki says "There are some that are especially good for dedicated MythTV boxes (the kind you'd have on a HiFi stand in the lounge)" referring to linux distros |
| [21:38:10] | fiyawerx: | anyone know which are the favored ones? |
| [21:39:06] | squish102: | fiyawerx, maybe mythbuntu, mythdora, knopmyth? |
| [21:39:48] | fiyawerx: | ah, i figured those were the easiest, didn't know if they were the most recommended however |
| [21:40:36] | squish102: | im no expert ;) |
| [21:43:20] | dustybin: | BLOODY HECK PXE BOOTS SERIOUSLY FAST |
| [21:43:31] | ** dustybin is shocked ** | |
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| [21:43:59] | TauPan: | yah, pxe is a breeze |
| [21:44:17] | TauPan: | btw. is there some patch for a windowed mode of the mythfrontend these days? |
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| [21:44:32] | dustybin: | im confused, why does it boot so fast? surely its still got to read off the hard disk? |
| [21:44:35] | GreyFoxx: | define windowed mode |
| [21:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | as in just a border/title bar? |
| [21:44:52] | GreyFoxx: | Or dynamically resizing and such |
| [21:44:54] | TauPan: | I mean, so that the live tv or video can be toggled between fullscreen and window. |
| [21:44:59] | TauPan: | yeah, with resizing |
| [21:45:10] | GreyFoxx: | No there is no such thing |
| [21:45:17] | TauPan: | as in tvtime or vlc or xawtv |
| [21:45:38] | GreyFoxx: | no support for it in myth nor any patch |
| [21:46:09] | TauPan: | I'm stumped... doesn't anybody use this on a desktop? |
| [21:46:21] | GreyFoxx: | I do at work |
| [21:46:30] | GreyFoxx: | bt most people do not |
| [21:46:56] | TauPan: | vlc has a bit of a hard time with the nuv files from mythtv, but it's the only viewer that allows me to watch the stuff in a window |
| [21:47:33] | GreyFoxx: | Just tell myth to start in windowed mode and tell it how big yo want it to be |
| [21:47:42] | GreyFoxx: | mythfrontend -w --geometry 800x600 |
| [21:47:46] | GreyFoxx: | or whatever size |
| [21:47:48] | TauPan: | I want to switch between fullscreen and windowed mode. |
| [21:48:06] | GreyFoxx: | It's nice to want things :) |
| [21:48:18] | TauPan: | yes, it makes you do things |
| [21:51:43] | squish102: | if i wanted to transcode to mpeg-4, i am going into setup and transcoder – low quality. i changed codec to mpeg4 and changed bitrate to 1000 – does this sound right? |
| [21:53:20] | Timrit: | i was wondering if anyone knows why my myth frontend shuts down on the top of the hour but the backend keeps going and i have to issue a /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend via ssh to the backend to reconnect. it only happens at the top of the hour and it happens every hour if i am trying to watch something like a football game and it is only on this front end. i have 3 or 4 of them around the house in various forms between desktops and |
| [21:53:33] | squish102: | then for the shows that i want, when setting the recording, to i select auto-transcode and transcoder to "Low Quality" |
| [21:56:14] | TauPan: | there was a patch to play myth's nuv files with mplayer wasn't there? |
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| [22:06:10] | Dagmar: | Timrit: Sounds like something you should talk to the people who made your binaries about |
| [22:06:16] | Dagmar: | Timrit: I've never seen anyone reporting that |
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| [22:09:42] | TauPan: | to be precise I can play all of my files with mplayer, but some of them have no sound because mplayer can't recognise the audio codec |
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| [22:11:22] | squish102: | does transcoding, using mpeg-4 always change from mpg to nuv? |
| [22:11:45] | Dagmar: | mpg and nuv are not codecs, they are containers. |
| [22:13:01] | GreyFoxx: | myth's internal transcoding when changing codecs always uses a nuv container |
| [22:13:22] | GreyFoxx: | so unless you are doing lossless cutting it will be a nuv when finished |
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| [22:14:31] | squish102: | thanks |
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| [22:16:05] | squish102: | would setting the bitrate to 1000 on the mpeg-4 transcoder option too bad? |
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| [22:17:10] | quink: | do any of you have audio working in such a way that all output goes to analog and spdif regardless if it is a stereo or surround audio source? |
| [22:18:32] | Dagmar: | Find a preist. |
| [22:18:45] | Dagmar: | You're going to want to have your soul clean before walking face-first into the ALSA docs on that. |
| [22:18:49] | quink: | heh |
| [22:18:55] | quink: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Digital_Sound |
| [22:19:01] | quink: | i'm following that. but its not working as i expect |
| [22:19:14] | quink: | stereo sources go to both spdif and analog just fine |
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| [22:19:20] | quink: | but surround sources just go to spdif |
| [22:20:28] | Dagmar: | That's because you need to target the surround51 object probably |
| [22:20:56] | Dagmar: | It's somewhat unamusing that the way alsa does that is so alien |
| [22:21:03] | quink: | also, my damn mythbox won't recognize WOL events. |
| [22:21:10] | Dagmar: | Tha |
| [22:21:17] | quink: | Dagmar: any simple suggestions or its more of a pain in the ass then it'd probably be worth? |
| [22:21:25] | Dagmar: | No option you've left unset in the BIOS? |
| [22:21:31] | quink: | double checked the bios |
| [22:21:34] | Dagmar: | I mean, if the hardware doesn't support it, you're done. |
| [22:21:37] | quink: | every PME and WOL thing i have i've enabled |
| [22:21:38] | Dagmar: | There's nothing else to look at. |
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| [22:21:41] | quink: | it *should* work. |
| [22:22:04] | Dagmar: | The only other thing that could be going wrong there is if your OS isn't setting the bits properly during shutdown that enable it |
| [22:22:42] | quink: | hm. What might i have to do to make that happen? |
| [22:22:47] | Dagmar: | Like, waking on alarm timers breaks on a lot of distros because during shutdown, they write the software clock back to the hardware clock to make sure you've got a semi-reasonable time when the box is next booted. |
| [22:23:01] | Dagmar: | This _resets_ the flag that enables wake on timer |
| [22:23:24] | quink: | hah |
| [22:23:26] | quink: | nice |
| [22:23:41] | Dagmar: | You *may* also need to connect a small cable between the NIC and the motherboard, or set a jumper |
| [22:23:44] | Dagmar: | (if it's integrated) |
| [22:23:58] | quink: | it is integrated. let me check the manual to make sure |
| [22:24:04] | Dagmar: | if you're using a PCI card NIC that's not integrated, usually you have to connect a small cable |
| [22:24:08] | quink: | i recently made a bunch of changes to my mythtv/file server stuff |
| [22:24:25] | quink: | made an ultra low power file server so my mythtv box became a non 24/7 box(don't record tv with it) |
| [22:24:37] | Dagmar: | This seems to be a reasonably complete explanation of the important bits, with links to the details it doesn't cover |
| [22:24:39] | Dagmar: | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-360901.html |
| [22:24:40] | quink: | so i wrote a small script to power it off via remote. just want WOL so i can power it on remotely |
| [22:25:42] | Dagmar: | It looks like you ahve to set a flag in the NIC before shutdown |
| [22:26:55] | quink: | well at least that solves one of my problems time to play around iwth it |
| [22:27:40] | Dagmar: | I tend to make pakcages and scripts to do these types of things once I figure them out, so that I can just drop them into other systems later. |
| [22:27:45] | Dagmar: | You might want to start doing the same |
| [22:28:06] | quink: | i have been. |
| [22:28:10] | quink: | but never had to figure this out until now |
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| [22:29:50] | bigdavediode: | Howdy — anyone get an error message in the backend.log file that reads "attempted to add a rate 32000 Hz not in list of allowed rates" |
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| [22:39:48] | squish102: | can anyone suggest a place to get a cheap ir receiver that worths with mythtv. i have a harmony 550 remote that should work with receiver, so no need for remote |
| [22:40:31] | dustybin: | the good thing about this pxe booting, i can now work on my frontend without it even being on |
| [22:41:05] | kormoc: | squish102, the microsoft mce usb receivers are nice |
| [22:42:21] | squish102: | kormoc, i have that one in mind but at forty something, i was hoping to just find the receiver cheaper :( |
| [22:42:21] | dustybin: | kormoc: ive ordered one of those |
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| [22:42:42] | dustybin: | squish102: the microsoft mce remote comes with a usb reciever |
| [22:42:47] | dustybin: | meant to be nice remote |
| [22:42:51] | squish102: | all i need is the receiver |
| [22:43:00] | squish102: | i have a nicer remote ;) |
| [22:43:19] | dustybin: | i think a usb reciever would be easier to setup than a home brew serial one |
| [22:43:50] | dustybin: | i remember i spent about 2 days trying to get serial one working |
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| [22:44:14] | squish102: | yes and i have 2 that dont seem to work too well on mythbuntu, so that is y i want to get the mce one, i hope there is more support |
| [22:44:18] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [22:44:36] | kormoc: | squish102, worked practically out of the box for myself |
| [22:44:55] | squish102: | i have spent about 2 weeks trying to get these 2 working, including a whole new computer installation and many mythbuntu installations |
| [22:46:19] | dustybin: | mythbuntu is all good, however, when something doesnt work, you are put straight into the dark end because you havent experienced setting stuff up the manual way |
| [22:46:25] | ShdwShinobi: | Can someone help me with a composite input? |
| [22:47:38] | squish102: | dustybin, i even attempted gentoo, but being new, i didn't feel like spending a week just to get gentoo working before mythtv installation begins |
| [22:47:58] | dustybin: | gentoo isnt a good idea for a newbie |
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| [22:48:19] | dustybin: | and for those who value time |
| [22:50:12] | squish102: | ^^ im one of those (u wouldn't think that after 2 weeks of trying to get an ir receiver working) |
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| [22:50:53] | kormoc: | dustybin, Gentoo saves me a ton of time |
| [22:51:11] | dustybin: | how? |
| [22:51:12] | Dagmar: | man if you just sit down and read the LIRC docs and do a little research into how IR signaling works you CAN NOT FAIL to get IR working |
| [22:51:24] | fryfrog: | kormoc: yes, because while you compile everything you can clean the house, do dishes, get work done ;) |
| [22:51:49] | squish102: | lol fryfrog |
| [22:51:50] | Dagmar: | There's just about nothing on the market except for some really crazy remotes from Narnia that you can't get to work with a plain serial IR transicever. |
| [22:51:51] | kormoc: | dustybin, by not getting in my way |
| [22:52:13] | Steven_M: | is this version of mythtv-frontend from debian-multimedia a good one with all the bugfixes aplied? http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable . . . frontend.php |
| [22:52:14] | kormoc: | fryfrog, meh, a fair number of my compile times are less then package extraction and test times |
| [22:52:27] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Too right |
| [22:52:37] | fryfrog: | i'm just pulling teh leg, i love gentoo still :) |
| [22:52:42] | dustybin: | normal distros are like watching a film, gentoo is like reading a book |
| [22:52:45] | directhex: | oh good, a distro holy war |
| [22:52:49] | fryfrog: | and with modern cpus, only the really *big* stuff takes much time. |
| [22:52:53] | Dagmar: | Since I upgraded to the X2 3600+ and 2Gb of RAM, most of the build scripts I'm using for GNOME can complete faster than I can edit them and add changelog notes |
| [22:53:15] | fryfrog: | damn, is it time to switch back to gentoo? :) |
| [22:53:23] | fryfrog: | I wish I could find a cheap 939 X2 CPU :( |
| [22:53:36] | fryfrog: | I'd trade a 4400+ AM2 that I have for it |
| [22:53:39] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: It's time to say "screw it" and upgrade the board. |
| [22:53:57] | dustybin: | your not a real man until you have setup a LFS mythtv box |
| [22:54:02] | Dagmar: | You can get a board and CPU that's AM2 cheaper than you can get any comparable X2 939-pin chip now |
| [22:54:21] | Dagmar: | ...and you'll be wanting to upgrade the memory anyway |
| [22:54:30] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: yeah, seriously that is so retarded. People looking for $200 on ebay for a 3800+ cpu! |
| [22:54:40] | fryfrog: | I got my 4200+ X2 for ~$60 new |
| [22:54:42] | squish102: | fryfrog there were some AM2 cpu's cheap on newegg te other day |
| [22:54:44] | fryfrog: | wish I'd bought 2 |
| [22:54:47] | directhex: | dustybin, i know an LFS dev. he runs ubuntu, because he's not freaking insane... |
| [22:54:59] | Dagmar: | I spent I think $122 on the board and CPU I put in the new mytx box |
| [22:55:10] | fryfrog: | And an AM2 4400+ is slow as balls, stupid amazon :( |
| [22:56:05] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: what cpu/mb? also, you need ddr2 ram now right? |
| [22:56:27] | dustybin: | really there is no advantage of a GPU doing all the work, the price of the GPU would be comparable to a CPU anyway |
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| [22:56:46] | fryfrog: | dustybin: ? |
| [22:56:54] | quink: | hm. wol still no work. oh well |
| [22:57:19] | dustybin: | fryfrog: whats the point of having a powerful CPU and GPU in your mythtv box, surely it would be better just to have a powerful CPU |
| [22:57:49] | fryfrog: | I don't think i mentioned a GPU? |
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| [22:58:01] | fryfrog: | Or, if that is just a statement... then I 100% agree. |
| [22:58:03] | dustybin: | i know, im thinking out loud :-) |
| [22:58:12] | fryfrog: | I just put my left-over video cards in my mythboxes |
| [22:58:20] | dustybin: | also it would create more noise and heat in your box |
| [22:58:22] | fryfrog: | one has a 6600GT (over kill!) and the other a 6200 |
| [22:58:41] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: You do need DDR2 for AM2 yes |
| [22:58:55] | dustybin: | and not forgetting more power |
| [22:59:04] | Dagmar: | fryfrog: Look at the bottom of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dagmar_d%27Surreal |
| [22:59:07] | dustybin: | so to hell with linux hardware accelleration |
| [22:59:13] | dustybin: | we dont need it |
| [22:59:37] | fryfrog: | who are ASRock? |
| [22:59:46] | fryfrog: | I've always irgnored them for motherboards? |
| [22:59:47] | Dagmar: | They're the home line that ASUS spun off |
| [22:59:49] | fryfrog: | er, ? . |
| [22:59:52] | fryfrog: | ohhhhhhhh |
| [22:59:56] | fryfrog: | not bad! |
| [23:00:13] | Dagmar: | They made a board I'm still using on my devel desktop that was nifty |
| [23:00:24] | fryfrog: | how much was that board? |
| [23:00:30] | Dagmar: | Both AGP and PCIe video slots, and an option to upgrade the CPU to AM2 with a $30 board |
| [23:00:40] | fryfrog: | interesting |
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| [23:01:42] | Dagmar: | NewEgg still has the ALive board |
| [23:01:55] | fryfrog: | lemme poke around |
| [23:01:55] | Dagmar: | Freakin $55 |
| [23:01:58] | fryfrog: | wow |
| [23:02:29] | kormoc: | directhex, what the hell is a LFS dev? LFS is distro less and doesn't really have devs.... |
| [23:02:53] | directhex: | kormoc, the documentation has to come from somewhere. |
| [23:02:56] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157126 |
| [23:02:58] | fryfrog: | right? |
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| [23:03:26] | Dagmar: | You can't tell from looking at the very verbose information I put on that web page if you're looking at the same motherboard on Newegg? |
| [23:03:38] | directhex: | since it's just a book. someone has to actually write the content |
| [23:03:47] | Dagmar: | Regardless of the fact that they have the EXACT same name, with each bit of it in the same order? |
| [23:03:50] | kormoc: | directhex, but they don't have devs. They have editors... |
| [23:03:51] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: confirmation never hurts. |
| [23:03:58] | directhex: | same difference |
| [23:04:07] | Steven_M: | is this version of mythtv-frontend from debian-multimedia a good one with all the bugfixes aplied? http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable . . . frontend.php |
| [23:04:30] | fryfrog: | that'd sure solve my noisy chipset fan problem :p |
| [23:04:53] | kormoc: | directhex, not really. the LFS project is based on books. They don't develop anything, they document it. You don't need to run something to document it, but you kinda need to run something to develop it... |
| [23:05:33] | directhex: | Steven_M, nothing in changelog.Debian.gz suggests it's got all the fixes |
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| [23:06:42] | Steven_M: | directhex: dam, thanks anyway |
| [23:07:18] | jackson__: | Anyone use the commflaging while recording? |
| [23:07:21] | fryfrog: | Dagmar: doesn't look like it comes with optical audio via little pci slot doo-dad, are there headers for that? |
| [23:09:13] | Dagmar: | The idea of downloading a manual before buying something has never occurred to you, has it? |
| [23:09:27] | Dagmar: | I'm not trying to be a bastard about this, but seriously. |
| [23:09:39] | Dagmar: | I have not bought a board I didn't already have the manual for in about ten years. |
| [23:09:57] | fryfrog: | So you download and read the manual for every board someone points out? |
| [23:10:06] | Dagmar: | If I am looking to BUY it, yes. |
| [23:10:23] | fryfrog: | Well, thanks for your help, I do appreciate it. |
| [23:10:43] | Dagmar: | About five minutes of reading through a PDF and I know exactly what I can do with it and what I can't. |
| [23:10:58] | Dagmar: | I swear if you try it, you will find it insanely useful |
| [23:11:28] | Dagmar: | ...becuse they *always* have a little map of what every possible jumper and connection on the mainboard is, and usually pinouts for each as well. |
| [23:11:43] | Dagmar: | Manufs that can't be bothered to do this should be shunned. |
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| [23:12:50] | squish102: | fryfrog newegg still has AMD Athlon X2 BE-2400 Brisbane 2.3GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 Dual-Core oem for $39 |
| [23:13:00] | squish102: | low power |
| [23:13:16] | dustybin: | the only error i can see when my pxe boots, is : ifstate Failure |
| [23:13:24] | dustybin: | something to do with the network interfaces |
| [23:15:39] | directhex: | bedtime. |
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| [23:22:45] | fryfrog: | squish102: sheesh, so cheap! |
| [23:26:38] | fryfrog: | holey crap! |
| [23:26:40] | fryfrog: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103571 |
| [23:26:51] | fryfrog: | it looks like they have some .. oh, damn |
| [23:26:54] | fryfrog: | "single core" |
| [23:26:55] | fryfrog: | oh well |
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| [23:35:13] | Gimpy: | can anyone suggese a good media router to use with myth? i had a dlink-dsm320 doen't do anything when powerd up no iso |
| [23:37:34] | fryfrog: | what is a media router? |
| [23:38:12] | cesman: | a router that routes media? |
| [23:38:24] | fryfrog: | sounds logical |
| [23:38:37] | fryfrog: | to think, this whole time i've been using media with out a media router :/ |
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| [23:48:01] | cesman: | given what a dsm320 is however, Gimpy is probably looking for a media player that works via UPnP |
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