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| [00:01:37] | squish102: | not sure what I do worng, but every time i install myth, i need to go into the web frontend and capture all my qam channels, xmltvid's before the mythfilldtabase works |
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| [00:02:32] | squish102: | using schedules direct. is there a way i can do this without typing them in? maybe someone has some sql i can run? |
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| [00:02:45] | dustybin: | < squish102> not sure what I do worng |
| [00:03:34] | wagnerrp: | if you use SD, SD is supposed to provide everything, no need for any sort of channel scan |
| [00:03:37] | dustybin: | squish102: by monitoring your sentence, you sound a desparate man |
| [00:04:22] | squish102: | lol dustybin , i just resinstall every month or so, and i am tired of typing in all the xmltvid's :( |
| [00:04:36] | wagnerrp: | every month or so??? |
| [00:04:54] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [00:05:00] | dustybin: | squish102: if no one read the mythtv manual, where would mythtv be today? |
| [00:05:04] | squish102: | or at the moment i am trying to figure out why mythbuntu 8.04 seemed to screw up both my ir receivers |
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| [00:05:38] | squish102: | so i have a new machine with 8.04 and 7.10 so i just had to do it twice in 2 days |
| [00:06:14] | squish102: | wagerSD works fine, it is just the unencrypted QAM channels that have no xmlid's |
| [00:07:46] | Steven_M: | what's the difference between deleting a recording and deleting wyhile allowing re-record |
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| [00:07:52] | squish102: | and the last time i asked for help i was pointed to the wiki that told me to go to the url of a webpage to get the xmltvid's :( |
| [00:07:57] | Steven_M: | ? |
| [00:08:01] | wagnerrp: | one allows mythtv to re-record it |
| [00:08:21] | wagnerrp: | the other keeps an entry in the database telling mythtv that it has already been recorded, and to not do so again |
| [00:08:22] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: http://rafb.net/p/IhWdEH32.html |
| [00:09:01] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: that last line means something (probably mythbackend) is already listening on port 6543 |
| [00:09:11] | wagnerrp: | youre trying to run a second instance |
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| [00:09:49] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: im readipg it and, i thaught i killed all front and backends befare doing this |
| [00:10:33] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: how do you re-record an episode that's not on air anymore? |
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| [00:10:59] | wagnerrp: | Steven_M: bittorrent? |
| [00:11:21] | wagnerrp: | if its not on-air, mythtv cannot record it |
| [00:11:36] | wagnerrp: | you cant magically will shows into existence on your hard drive |
| [00:12:07] | mzb_d800: | PsychicTV |
| [00:13:06] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: exactly so what's the point of the delete and re-record button? |
| [00:13:15] | mzb_d800: | Steven_M: depending on your country|station episodes are often rebroadcasted/replayed/repeated |
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| [00:13:43] | wagnerrp: | because the show is still on TV, and you want to re-record when the station plays reruns |
| [00:13:59] | Steven_M: | ok |
| [00:14:02] | GreyFoxx: | Steve: ugh broken recordings that didn't finish, stff where stupid sports ran halfway nto it and you want to record a later showing of it |
| [00:14:04] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, i did mythbackend |wgetpasee and it seems to have locked up , the anly 2 lineh that are here are "startipg up as the master server. is defined, but isn't attached to a cardinput" |
| [00:14:33] | Steven_M: | thanks all |
| [00:14:33] | mzb_d800: | the idea is is that you might want to watch that same episode ad-finitum (ie: delete but allow re-record), rather than just watch it once (ie: delete and ignore future repeats) |
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| [00:14:54] | Gimpy: | if i'm readipg this right it saunds like i don't have the correct card inpue |
| [00:15:10] | mzb_d800: | and a dyslexic finger ;) |
| [00:15:12] | wagnerrp: | well if you wanted to watch it multiple times, you just wouldnt delete it |
| [00:15:37] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp: yeah .... depending on hdd space |
| [00:15:38] | wagnerrp: | the 'delete and re-record' is more if you're running out of storage space, or if the recording itself is bad and you want a new copy |
| [00:15:39] | GreyFoxx: | stuff I wanna keep I transcode and move under mythvideo |
| [00:16:23] | mzb_d800: | still comes down to drive space available (at the time) ... regardless of the reasoning ... otherwise you'd never delete anything! RIGHT? ;)) |
| [00:16:25] | GreyFoxx: | and often later I'll buy the dvd set when it comes out and delete the stff off the drive and rerip from the dvd's |
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| [00:17:33] | mzb_d800: | speaking of which ... better see if I can get WAF+ today and teach her how to create a DVD. |
| [00:22:20] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... walked into that one ... she wants me to include the procedure in her "How to use my computer" manual :| |
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| [00:25:34] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: does "master server is defiend, but ihn't attached to a cardinput" make since to yau |
| [00:26:06] | wagnerrp: | it means you have not yet defined a capture card |
| [00:26:16] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will be relatively useless, but it should still work fine |
| [00:26:24] | wagnerrp: | theres no requirement for a capture card to be set up |
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| [00:27:16] | iamlindoro: | The master backend *must* have a capture card defined to run, actually |
| [00:27:36] | iamlindoro: | It can be totally bullshit, but it still needs one defined |
| [00:27:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: im pretty sure it doesnt |
| [00:27:55] | iamlindoro: | It does ;) (ar, at least it always did and never heard of it changing) |
| [00:28:00] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: that seems odd becase i do have it defind |
| [00:28:19] | wagnerrp: | my master backend does not have a capture card, nor a dummy card |
| [00:28:49] | iamlindoro: | Must have changed while I wasn't looking, then.. always used to be one of the immutable rules |
| [00:29:11] | wagnerrp: | i remember reading that years ago, but it does not appear to be the case any longer |
| [00:30:34] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: the card is defind card is mpeg 2 encoder (pvr x50 pvr 500) and the /dev/v4l/vido0 |
| [00:30:43] | Gimpy: | card is setup as tuner 1 |
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| [00:31:04] | wagnerrp: | i would ignore the tuner card issues for now |
| [00:31:13] | wagnerrp: | and focus on the fact that the frontend cannot connect to the backend |
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| [00:32:16] | wagnerrp: | since the former is going to require effort, the latter is supposed to just happen |
| [00:34:11] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: you seem to be new to linux, is this correct? |
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| [00:37:56] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: not entirely, i've used in one and off over the past few years, and i've goten furter now that i did in the past |
| [00:38:51] | wagnerrp: | ok, i was going to suggest avoiding using the do-everything-yourself gentoo, and check out the have-everything-done-for-you mythbuntu or knoppmyth |
| [00:39:47] | HrdwrBoB: | gentoo is good if you have ADD |
| [00:40:32] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: i'm still trying en figure out why i can't get the that command to work, (i'm currently in a user account not root+ |
| [00:40:49] | wagnerrp: | the mythbackend command? |
| [00:41:26] | wagnerrp: | what was that 'wgetpasee' thing you mentioned a while back |
| [00:41:32] | Gimpy: | yes, mythbackend -v all -l /var/log/mythtv/backend just puts crap an the screen |
| [00:41:52] | Gimpy: | the one about the card? |
| [00:42:12] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what it was about |
| [00:42:24] | wagnerrp: | you ran some command i have never seen before, and said it locked up |
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| [00:42:46] | Gimpy: | oh that was mythbackend |wgetpaste |
| [00:43:22] | wagnerrp: | never heard of it before... |
| [00:43:50] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i doubt it locked up, but rather just sat waiting for mythbackend to end |
| [00:44:12] | wagnerrp: | but since mythbackend is not supposed to end, it never returned, and simply appeared to lock up |
| [00:44:16] | Gimpy: | and it lockedup and only got 2 lines in that where starting as master server is defined not attached to cardinput |
| [00:44:31] | wagnerrp: | how do you know it locked up? |
| [00:44:34] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: that sounds more logical |
| [00:44:56] | Gimpy: | i just assumed since the screen just sat there |
| [00:45:01] | wagnerrp: | you piped stdoutput to the paste thing, and those two lines were from stderr |
| [00:45:28] | wagnerrp: | all output was getting dumped to wgetpaste, so there was nothing for you to see |
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| [00:47:07] | Gimpy: | the only way i seem to get an output with wgetpaste is if i have a backend running already, but when i kill backend and run mythbackend |wgetpaste is when the screen just sits there |
| [00:47:22] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [00:47:47] | wagnerrp: | if you have a backend running already, a new one started will not be able to attach to the necessary ports, so will error and exit |
| [00:48:05] | wagnerrp: | if you do not have a backend running already, the backend will start up and continue to function as normal |
| [00:48:07] | Gimpy: | yes, that makes sipce |
| [00:48:08] | wagnerrp: | it will never exit |
| [00:48:29] | wagnerrp: | so wgetpaste will continue to sit there consuming output, and never dumping it to a website |
| [00:48:56] | wagnerrp: | and since it doesnt tee the output back to the terminal, you never see a thing |
| [00:49:04] | Gimpy: | so knowing the init scripts are hosed , now howto go about solving/ |
| [00:49:29] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: correct |
| [00:49:31] | wagnerrp: | reboot, and the init scripts will start working again |
| [00:49:45] | wagnerrp: | or, kill all instances of the backend |
| [00:49:48] | wagnerrp: | and zap the init scripts |
| [00:50:13] | wagnerrp: | the init scripts are only hosed because you hosed them |
| [00:50:21] | Gimpy: | I have my doubs of it workipg correctly after rebootipg since i have rebooted twice already today |
| [00:50:32] | wagnerrp: | if left to their own devices, they should just continue functioning happily |
| [00:51:05] | Gimpy: | so, you still want me to reboot? |
| [00:51:19] | Gimpy: | and i have no clue how i hosed the init script |
| [00:51:20] | wagnerrp: | i dont know what to tell you to do |
| [00:51:31] | wagnerrp: | because your computer seems to be in some weird state of clusterfuck |
| [00:51:47] | dustybin: | holy cows |
| [00:51:48] | dustybin: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7609574.stm |
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| [00:52:26] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: the only thing i can think of is unmerge mythtv and go step by step with yau |
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| [00:52:50] | wagnerrp: | a 7.2 in japan? isnt that a monthly occurence? |
| [00:53:12] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: more like weekly :-p |
| [00:54:28] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: heres the readme i followed http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Setup_MythTV |
| [00:56:29] | wagnerrp: | looks reasonable |
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| [00:59:15] | Gimpy: | so, restart , comeback and unmerge re merge mythtv? |
| [00:59:29] | wagnerrp: | sure, im out of ideas |
| [01:00:08] | Gimpy: | ok, i'll be back in more like 10 15min gotta eat real quick |
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| [01:02:12] | iamlindoro: | Even if that guy gets 100% perfect, working instructions, he will still demolish his system |
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| [01:13:21] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: ok i'm back |
| [01:14:33] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: still when launchipg mythfrontend off of boot i get cannot conect to master backe end |
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| [01:17:22] | mzb_d800: | and same question as before: is the backend running? |
| [01:17:50] | mzb_d800: | have you considered following previous advise and at least trying a distro that is easier for a newbie? |
| [01:18:37] | mzb_d800: | that way you can spend more of your time tinkering/experimenting/etc than trying to explain how you've made a dog's breakfast of something you don't seem to understand. |
| [01:18:44] | Gimpy: | no , before i rebooted i think wanerrp and i came to the conclusion that myth is in a fucked state on my box and to unmerge it and do a walk though install |
| [01:18:45] | wagnerrp: | i mean youre reaching clever levels of broken |
| [01:19:05] | wagnerrp: | things are not working in ways that should not be having problems |
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| [01:19:21] | Gimpy: | :-) i don't know if i'd even brag about that |
| [01:19:30] | wagnerrp: | clever does |
| [01:19:43] | mzb_d800: | ppl often come in here and ask "which is the best distro for myth" ... to which the answer is "whatever you're familiar with" |
| [01:20:23] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: so just unmerge mythtv ar unmerge sql too? |
| [01:20:28] | mzb_d800: | in your case, a lack of familiarity with nix* would tend to suggest you should start easy and work up |
| [01:20:56] | wagnerrp: | you dont seem to be having any trouble with your database |
| [01:20:56] | mzb_d800: | rather than asking for confirmation of every step! |
| [01:21:22] | mzb_d800: | I've made my point ... I give up |
| [01:21:58] | Gimpy: | i seem to like (well gravitate, tword the hard stuff) i tried red had didn't like it, tried fedora it was too much like xp looked at ubuntoo, but nope i waned the harder way |
| [01:22:23] | mzb_d800: | then go for Debian Lenny |
| [01:22:51] | Gimpy: | if i use debian i might as well use linspire |
| [01:23:04] | chainsawbike: | use gentoo :P |
| [01:23:08] | mzb_d800: | *cough* *splutter* |
| [01:23:10] | mzb_d800: | as opposed to "the hardest way" |
| [01:23:23] | chainsawbike: | or maybe LFS |
| [01:23:38] | clever: | i have LFS on my routerr |
| [01:23:43] | clever: | it would be a bitch to add mythtv to |
| [01:23:48] | mzb_d800: | not trying to make it any easier, are you? ;) |
| [01:24:10] | wagnerrp: | clever: thats why we now have a level of mythtv difficulties classified as 'clever' |
| [01:24:16] | clever: | lol |
| [01:24:31] | clever: | bbl |
| [01:24:49] | mzb_d800: | ironic ;) |
| [01:26:19] | clever: | back:P |
| [01:26:25] | chainsawbike: | noooooo |
| [01:26:41] | wagnerrp: | thats a quick later |
| [01:26:52] | clever: | now to track down where all my system load is from |
| [01:26:55] | clever: | Cpu(s): 42.7%us, 22.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 24.3%wa, 1.2%hi, 9.2%si, 0.0%st |
| [01:43:38] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: umergerd mythtv, and reemurged, it left mysql alone, myttv is currently builing |
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| [02:11:08] | mzb_d800: | clever: looks busy ;) |
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| [02:20:32] | clever: | mzb_d800: was mainly some delete querys in mysql that took 120sec each |
| [02:20:39] | clever: | and a new one started every 60 sec:P |
| [02:20:41] | mzb_d800: | gee |
| [02:21:07] | clever: | 2.2gig for .MYD and 1.5gig for .MYI |
| [02:21:32] | clever: | add to that 8k fragments at the filesystem layer |
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| [02:21:43] | clever: | and it gets pretty slow |
| [02:22:36] | srwalter: | I'm getting the error "RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file ()" on my master backend; the MBE has no tuners, and my slave BE has one. what do I have configured wrong? |
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| [02:42:38] | Timrit: | Hello, I just installed mythtv frontend on my hp laptop running Ubuntu 8.04 and the mythtvbackend is always accessing the hd. i did a sudo top and killed the process and the accessing stopped. is there a reason for it to be accessing the hd all the time? it was after a fresh restart and i was not watching/using the front end at all. |
| [02:43:13] | srwalter: | was the backend recording on running a job? |
| [02:43:18] | srwalter: | *or |
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| [02:47:41] | Timrit: | srwalter: my backend is on a completely different box in the basement. |
| [02:47:59] | srwalter: | which is accessing the HD, the frontend or the backend? |
| [02:48:11] | Timrit: | srwalter: backend |
| [02:48:37] | srwalter: | which HD, the laptop, or the machine in the basement? |
| [02:49:10] | Timrit: | srwalter: the laptop hd which is supposed to be a frontend only. |
| [02:49:39] | srwalter: | is the frontend playing a live preview, perhaps? |
| [02:50:08] | Timrit: | i was originally looking for the command to see what was accessing the hd but i forgot it. |
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| [02:50:18] | Timrit: | the frontend never was started since the reboot. |
| [02:50:38] | srwalter: | what process did you kill to get the accesses to stop? |
| [02:51:26] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: it works , don't know what i fucked up but all i did was unmerge mythtv ,remerge it run though setup( all options were still set from last time) and it worked) the tv at least , havent tried recording |
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| [02:52:30] | Timrit: | srwalter: 19134 mythtv 20 0 73340 8080 5484 D 1 0.3 0:02.23 mythbackend |
| [02:52:38] | Timrit: | that is pasted from top |
| [02:52:46] | srwalter: | so there is a mythbackend process running on your laptop |
| [02:53:14] | Timrit: | ok ub why? i have not started the front end since a restart |
| [02:53:20] | Timrit: | ok but why^^^ |
| [02:53:34] | Timrit: | restart of the computer |
| [02:53:42] | srwalter: | the backend gets started during boot if it's installed |
| [02:53:42] | iamlindoro: | Backend doesn't start on demand |
| [02:53:48] | iamlindoro: | it is *always* running, that's the point |
| [02:54:31] | Timrit: | but my backend that does all the recording and has the tuner hooked to it is in my furnace room 20' away |
| [02:55:06] | srwalter: | dunno what the backend on your laptop is doing then, but it sounds like you don't need it |
| [02:55:12] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you installed some "mythtv" metapacke that also installed a backend |
| [02:55:31] | iamlindoro: | er metapackage |
| [02:55:46] | Timrit: | i did a sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend i believe |
| [02:55:54] | iamlindoro: | sounds like you didn't |
| [02:56:02] | wagnerrp: | there are only two reasons to run a backend on a machine, you have a tuner installed, or you want to run comm-flagging/transcoding |
| [02:56:12] | wagnerrp: | there is no reason for your laptop to be running a backend |
| [02:56:25] | Timrit: | so i can remove the backend? |
| [02:56:31] | iamlindoro: | yup |
| [02:56:38] | Timrit: | i will try, hang on |
| [02:56:51] | srwalter: | wtf is this: |
| [02:56:52] | srwalter: | 2008-09–10 22:56:00.754 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket): |
| [02:56:52] | srwalter: | Could not connect to server "" @ port -1 |
| [02:56:52] | srwalter: | 2008-09–10 22:56:00.754 RemoteFile::openSocket(file data socket): |
| [02:56:52] | srwalter: | Could not connect to server "" @ port -1 |
| [02:56:53] | srwalter: | 2008-09–10 22:56:00.754 RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file () |
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| [02:57:28] | iamlindoro: | besides something that should have been pastebinned? |
| [02:57:47] | iamlindoro: | and a frontend log that is more or less useless (that is to say, check the backend log) |
| [02:58:13] | srwalter: | that IS the backend log; MBE even |
| [02:58:15] | Timrit: | sudo apt-get remove mythtv-backend |
| [02:58:15] | Timrit: | Reading package lists... Done |
| [02:58:15] | Timrit: | Building dependency tree |
| [02:58:15] | Timrit: | Reading state information... Done |
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| [02:58:30] | Timrit: | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: mythtv-frontend pwgen libfreebob0 libglib1.2ldbl libartsc0 liblzo1 mythtv-common |
| [02:58:31] | iamlindoro: | srwalter, did you recently change hostnames? |
| [02:58:56] | srwalter: | I did, but I have since dropped mythconverg and hopefully started with a clean slate |
| [02:59:00] | Timrit: | if i remove the backend, the front end wants to be removed as well as i read it |
| [02:59:13] | iamlindoro: | srwalter, Well, that's odd if you have a fresh DB since |
| [02:59:36] | srwalter: | Timrit: it doesn't want to remove it. you should be able to "sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend" to indicate that you really do want to keep it |
| [02:59:36] | iamlindoro: | Timrit, no longer required doesn't mean they'll be removed |
| [02:59:59] | srwalter: | is there something else I need to blow away other than the DB? |
| [03:00:14] | Timrit: | iamlindoro: i will try it then. |
| [03:00:37] | iamlindoro: | Timrit, apt-get will show you what is likely no longer needed, but it won't remove unless you tell it to do so |
| [03:00:56] | iamlindoro: | aptitude, on the other hand, will happily remove all that stuff without being too obvious about doing it |
| [03:01:08] | iamlindoro: | which is why I never use stupid stupid aptitude :) |
| [03:01:54] | clever: | just go the hard way, dpkg! |
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| [03:16:14] | Timrit: | iamlindoro && srwalter i got that removed and the accessing has stopped. I thought it was necessary because it was installed by default. thanks for your help. |
| [03:16:21] | srwalter: | welcome |
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| [03:21:39] | srwalter: | aha! /home/mythtv/.mythtv/mysql.txt was still pointing at the old database, which apparently caused all sort of oddity |
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| [03:36:10] | mkrufky: | Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 78 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/recorded.php on line 158 |
| [03:36:26] | mkrufky: | amazing... is this because i never delete anything and i have like, 4 tb woryth of storage |
| [03:36:28] | ** mkrufky thinks yes ** | |
| [03:37:30] | mkrufky: | anyway... i JUST got home from dinner, and im totally in the mood to debug this, if anybody wants to nudge me in the right direction |
| [03:37:49] | clever: | mkrufky: just increase the space limit in php.ini |
| [03:37:52] | mkrufky: | looks to me like apache is pissed off at mythweb for trying to use too much memory |
| [03:37:56] | clever: | and make shure you realy have enough ram/swap to handle it |
| [03:37:57] | mkrufky: | ah, that simple, eh? |
| [03:37:57] | mkrufky: | heh |
| [03:38:22] | mkrufky: | and i guess i'll have to restart apache after doing do? |
| [03:38:28] | clever: | reload would do i think |
| [03:38:38] | clever: | ive run into the problem before when dealing with 4gig select querys in mysql |
| [03:38:42] | mkrufky: | cool... i hope to scream success any minute... |
| [03:39:14] | clever: | another related problem ive ran into |
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| [03:39:35] | clever: | another related problem ive ran into |
| [03:39:35] | mkrufky: | bad network connection |
| [03:39:41] | clever: | a 3gig mysql_query() |
| [03:39:45] | clever: | will alocate 3gig of ram |
| [03:39:51] | clever: | even if the php is set to never use more them 20mb |
| [03:39:55] | mkrufky: | last i saw was you saying you had the problem w/ 4gb select queries |
| [03:40:01] | mkrufky: | oof |
| [03:40:05] | clever: | it can easily criple the system and bypass the limits |
| [03:40:09] | mkrufky: | so mysql is a bit buggy then |
| [03:40:27] | clever: | the mysql lib in php alocates the entire buffer in 1 sweep |
| [03:40:32] | clever: | before returning control to php |
| [03:40:39] | clever: | so php has no way to stop it until its too late |
| [03:40:51] | mkrufky: | is this the setting i should change? memory_limit = 16M ; Maximum amount of memory a script may consume (16MB) |
| [03:40:56] | clever: | yep |
| [03:41:05] | mkrufky: | k... i guess i'll go for 32 |
| [03:41:27] | clever: | the limit was 32 acording to the error |
| [03:41:31] | mkrufky: | ha! |
| [03:41:36] | mkrufky: | it says 16M in that file |
| [03:41:38] | clever: | you might be in the cli's php.ini not the apache's php.ini |
| [03:41:41] | mkrufky: | and yeah ... you're right... |
| [03:41:50] | mkrufky: | ah, ok .... searching more........ |
| [03:42:04] | clever: | you want /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini not /etc/php5/cli/php.ini |
| [03:42:17] | mkrufky: | strange... thats the one i changed |
| [03:45:08] | mkrufky: | well, that certainly is strange... i only have the single " /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini " and changing the memory_limit doesnt affect anything |
| [03:47:38] | jackson__: | mkrufky, you need to change it in the mythweb.conf that's added to your apache modules.d/ directory: php_value memory_limit 32M |
| [03:47:46] | mkrufky: | thanks jackson__ |
| [03:47:50] | mkrufky: | i _just_ found that |
| [03:47:54] | mkrufky: | :-) |
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| [03:52:13] | mkrufky: | success! |
| [03:52:23] | mkrufky: | thanks to clever and jackson__ |
| [03:56:27] | clever: | yeah i thought that the apache config might override things |
| [03:57:23] | mkrufky: | i guess the fact that a query of my recordings table exceeds 32 MB is something to be proud of, eh? |
| [03:57:40] | clever: | one of the guys ive seen here, has over 30k recordings |
| [03:57:47] | mkrufky: | damn! |
| [03:58:13] | clever: | shit keeps timing out because of how long it takes to process |
| [03:58:13] | mkrufky: | i have 713 programs, using 2.6 TB (25 days 17 hrs 34 mins) out of 3.2 TB (583 GB free) |
| [03:58:29] | clever: | if i try to load that page in mythweb, i kill the network:P |
| [03:58:37] | clever: | some bug that has been 'fixed' 5 times over |
| [03:58:38] | mkrufky: | yes... i had that problem with my old machine... the quad-core processor really helped with that sort of thing |
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| [03:59:15] | clever: | my master(and mythweb) system is a 400mhz P2 |
| [03:59:23] | clever: | i have 702 recordings on my recorded table |
| [03:59:27] | clever: | mysql> select starttime,title,subtitle,watched,autoexpire,recgroup,filesize/1024/1024 from recorded where autoexpire!=0 and watched!=1 and recgroup!='deleted' order by starttime desc; |
| [03:59:35] | clever: | thats a handy query when low on space |
| [03:59:46] | clever: | it lists unwatched shows that have autoexpire on |
| [03:59:56] | clever: | (so i can watch them before they expire) |
| [04:01:41] | Anduin: | Like the auto expire list in the system info page! |
| [04:01:58] | clever: | which doesnt say crap all about if its watched or not:P |
| [04:02:12] | clever: | and cant sort by whatever i want |
| [04:02:15] | Anduin: | Well that is true |
| [04:02:34] | clever: | its also spammed up with deleted recordings that i dont care about when they expire |
| [04:02:41] | clever: | (i have undelete enabled) |
| [04:02:42] | mkrufky: | ah, pretty cool |
| [04:02:52] | mkrufky: | hmm... now im jealous |
| [04:03:04] | mkrufky: | i should have resurrected my dual pII and made THAT the backend |
| [04:03:08] | mkrufky: | oh well |
| [04:03:18] | clever: | i had to do this when things went tits up |
| [04:03:26] | clever: | i did a dist-upgrade on my master and broke lirc and ivtv |
| [04:03:36] | mkrufky: | oof |
| [04:03:48] | clever: | so in a rush to just get things fixed, i rammed the card into the mysql server for mythtv(which i hadnt upgraded yet) |
| [04:04:02] | clever: | then spent a week redoing the lirc |
| [04:04:07] | mkrufky: | oof |
| [04:04:17] | mkrufky: | lirc on the backend?!? |
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| [04:04:24] | clever: | lirc blaster |
| [04:04:25] | mkrufky: | i assume one had nothing to do with the other |
| [04:04:27] | mkrufky: | ah |
| [04:04:42] | clever: | without that i cant change channels |
| [04:04:55] | clever: | lirc receiving has been broken for months(2 dist-upgrades ago) |
| [04:05:14] | mkrufky: | yes, i m spolied by digital cable |
| [04:05:21] | clever: | i think it was during the 6.06->7.10 that i broke lirc_i2c |
| [04:05:33] | clever: | i keep telling my dad we need to get the HD box with firewire |
| [04:05:40] | clever: | and he keeps saying we dont have any hd tv's:P |
| [04:05:58] | mkrufky: | thats fine... just dont tell that to the cable company |
| [04:06:05] | clever: | he doesnt understand that every computer monitor we own is way above the res of ntsc |
| [04:06:31] | clever: | even the 640x480 monitors are just a tad higher then ntsc:P |
| [04:06:42] | mkrufky: | a TAD |
| [04:06:56] | mkrufky: | really just in dot pitch, and thats all |
| [04:07:13] | clever: | i think ntsc is 480xsomething |
| [04:07:17] | mkrufky: | but anyway, you're still right |
| [04:07:21] | mkrufky: | 640x480 |
| [04:08:04] | mkrufky: | umm... i find myself in doubt now |
| [04:08:08] | ** mkrufky checks ** | |
| [04:08:19] | clever: | VIDEO: [DIVX] 480x480 10bpp 29.917 fps 0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s) |
| [04:08:28] | iamlindoro: | 720x480 |
| [04:08:35] | mkrufky: | 720x480 ... yeah |
| [04:08:41] | clever: | ah, slightly higher then 640x480 |
| [04:08:56] | clever: | but windows wont let you go that low anymore without some force |
| [04:09:17] | ** mkrufky slaps himself in the head for that brain fart ** | |
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| [04:10:40] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro did you watch fringe? |
| [04:11:05] | iamlindoro: | yeah, not too impressed so far |
| [04:11:25] | mkrufky: | i agree, but i would be slightly more positive than that |
| [04:11:34] | mkrufky: | i wasnt impressed, but i am going to give it a chance |
| [04:11:42] | mkrufky: | i have a feeling that it might not be "for the masses" |
| [04:11:52] | iamlindoro: | I'll give *maybe* one or two more eps before giving up |
| [04:11:57] | mkrufky: | but i was entertained, and i want to watch episode 2 right now... but ill wait |
| [04:12:08] | mkrufky: | (ive no choice) |
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| [04:12:31] | mkrufky: | prison break, on the other hand.... totally sucks now, and i totally want to stop watching it, but i wont be able to |
| [04:12:57] | mkrufky: | fringe is like Eureka on steroids |
| [04:13:04] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [04:13:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i gave up on prison break long ago |
| [04:13:54] | mkrufky: | this week's episode was a must-see, just so that everybody can agree on how bad it is now |
| [04:14:13] | mkrufky: | its like... "somebody give me a stoeyline — we need storyline, please!" |
| [04:14:31] | iamlindoro: | I am just starting on old episodes of Dexter, that seems fun so far |
| [04:14:44] | mkrufky: | oh, dexter was great... i think its coming back again |
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| [04:15:49] | mkrufky: | i think Fringe would have been better if it wasnt 90 minutes |
| [04:16:10] | mkrufky: | i was feeling the adhd after a while... took a break, wrote some code, then came back a half hour later |
| [04:16:23] | iamlindoro: | It would have been better without any Dawson's Creek cast members |
| [04:16:42] | iamlindoro: | and if they had gotten to the point of the conspiracy stuff about 45 minutes sooner |
| [04:16:46] | mkrufky: | which was that? i never watched dawson's creek, and i sure as hell never saw a commercial for it |
| [04:16:53] | iamlindoro: | The Scientist's son |
| [04:16:55] | mkrufky: | ha |
| [04:17:01] | mkrufky: | oh... i knew HE looked familiar |
| [04:17:41] | mkrufky: | what i want to know is whether it will be a tightly coupled "continuing story" or will is be loose, like House |
| [04:17:49] | mkrufky: | s/is/it/2 |
| [04:18:08] | mkrufky: | i mean... JJ Abrams style seems to be tightly coupled continuing story |
| [04:18:28] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, usually yes.. although Alias was episodic more than Lost |
| [04:18:34] | mkrufky: | but... the show seems like it might be self-sufficient episodes, that might all tie together into "the pattern" |
| [04:19:12] | iamlindoro: | I hated the X Files, and so if it goes that direction, I'll drop it |
| [04:19:12] | wagnerrp: | autopilots are capable of landing now? |
| [04:19:15] | mkrufky: | and i never watched a full episode of Alias either.... only seen some reruns while testing v4l/dvb |
| [04:19:36] | wagnerrp: | i remember some demo of one capable of doing that maybe 10 years ago, it crashed into the trees at the end of the runway |
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| [04:19:40] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, Alias is fun, although they botched the last season-- you might like |
| [04:19:42] | mkrufky: | wagnerrp: yeah, i didnt quite buy that either |
| [04:19:58] | mkrufky: | maybe i'll check that one one day |
| [04:20:22] | mkrufky: | maybe Alias would be perfect for next summer, if i dont install the a/c in the den by then |
| [04:20:35] | mkrufky: | (so that i can be happy watching on the 4:3 set in my a/c bedroom) |
| [04:21:08] | wagnerrp: | airliners pretty much fly themselves anymore |
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| [04:21:21] | CCFL_Man2: | iamlindoro: should an active combiner rated for 12W get really hot to the touch? |
| [04:21:28] | mkrufky: | by anymore, did you mean, "nowadays" ? |
| [04:21:34] | wagnerrp: | but i thought anything involving ATCs (switching areas, anything near airports) required a live pilot |
| [04:21:40] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [04:22:14] | mkrufky: | i am actually quite surprised that a take off or landing could ever be allowed without a live pilot, regardless of whether or not it is possible |
| [04:22:25] | mkrufky: | are you sure about that? |
| [04:22:40] | wagnerrp: | well look at UAVs |
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| [04:22:55] | wagnerrp: | you can put them into button-pushing mode if you want, never needing to touch a joystick |
| [04:23:04] | mkrufky: | UAV is a UAV, by design |
| [04:23:26] | mkrufky: | Unmanned aerial vehicle |
| [04:23:31] | wagnerrp: | push a button, it flies there. push another button, it lands. |
| [04:23:49] | wagnerrp: | mkrufky: yeah, but they still have a remote pilot in a trailer somewhere |
| [04:24:03] | mkrufky: | ok, so a human is still involved ;-) |
| [04:24:05] | pat__: | http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html |
| [04:24:33] | mkrufky: | what the hell is that? |
| [04:24:41] | wagnerrp: | the LHC |
| [04:24:55] | wagnerrp: | black hole generator... :P |
| [04:25:00] | mkrufky: | THAT is how they moved the island!!! |
| [04:25:27] | wagnerrp: | island? |
| [04:25:34] | mkrufky: | haha im LOST obsessed, too |
| [04:25:49] | mkrufky: | if you dont know, then dotn worry about it |
| [04:25:53] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHAHAH, it is a black hole generater |
| [04:25:54] | wagnerrp: | very nice |
| [04:26:11] | cesman: | mkrufky: could you believe who was in the coffin? |
| [04:26:43] | mkrufky: | i was surprised, cesman ... |
| [04:27:02] | cesman: | as was I when I actually saw it |
| [04:27:16] | mkrufky: | cesman: i think that is "him" but from a later point in time. ...because we KNOW he is still alive and walking on the island |
| [04:27:46] | mkrufky: | i have no proof... i just realized that. |
| [04:27:49] | cesman: | but (now) ex-gf reminded me that that was who I guess at the end of the last season |
| [04:27:52] | cesman: | yeah |
| [04:27:53] | wagnerrp: | Lost has time travel now??? |
| [04:28:01] | mkrufky: | no... |
| [04:28:25] | mkrufky: | no time travel.. a person was pictured dead. i claim that it was in the future of that person's life that we were being shown |
| [04:28:53] | mkrufky: | that is SLIGHTLY inaccurate of what i really think... but im leaving things such that im not spoiling anything |
| [04:29:00] | cesman: | Time on the island is behind time else where |
| [04:29:07] | cesman: | about 20 minutes or so... |
| [04:29:12] | mkrufky: | ...unless you WANT me to go there.. in which case, let any LOST fans reading this channel log stop right now |
| [04:29:25] | wagnerrp: | (never seen Lost, talk away) |
| [04:29:29] | mkrufky: | ok then... |
| [04:29:33] | mkrufky: | no, cesman |
| [04:29:38] | mkrufky: | the island is OUTSIDE of time |
| [04:30:00] | cesman: | I suppose it could be put that way :) |
| [04:30:00] | mkrufky: | ...similar to religions belief that g-d is outside of time |
| [04:30:18] | mkrufky: | ....leading to another interesting association |
| [04:30:22] | cesman: | g-d... Is that what it is called now? |
| [04:30:22] | pat__: | I thought that lost was about some people that crashed on a plane. the show proved popular so they had to drag it out to multiple seasons... |
| [04:30:43] | mkrufky: | i used a hyphen to be politically correct... no idea why i did that. im not religious |
| [04:30:44] | cesman: | well, this should be the last season coming up |
| [04:30:58] | iamlindoro: | 2 more |
| [04:31:06] | cesman: | 2 more?! |
| [04:31:13] | iamlindoro: | yep, 2 x 16 |
| [04:31:21] | cesman: | what because of the strike? |
| [04:31:32] | mkrufky: | pat__: yeah, with a wierd monster that sucks matt parkman the pilot from the plane and throws him into the trees, and makes loud sounds and takes photo of ugly blonds..... |
| [04:31:45] | iamlindoro: | cesman, Sort of |
| [04:31:47] | mkrufky: | that shows up in the end of season 1 episode 1, before charlie says, "terrific" |
| [04:32:05] | pat__: | shrug, never watched it |
| [04:32:18] | ** cesman KNOWS Claire isn't he blonde mkrufky is speaking of ;) ** | |
| [04:32:35] | mkrufky: | heh, i dont think Juliet is THAT ugly... buy my roomate does |
| [04:32:54] | iamlindoro: | You can watch Gia and see her naked with naked Angelina Jolie |
| [04:32:57] | cesman: | Juliet is nice! |
| [04:33:00] | mkrufky: | he was a bit drunk, so maybe he was exagerating... but he shrieked when he first saw her |
| [04:33:11] | pat__: | that's like saying "I don't think my current wife is ugly, but my ex-wife does" |
| [04:33:20] | iamlindoro: | If he's ever shrieked at anything he doesn't get a vote |
| [04:33:23] | mkrufky: | hahahaha |
| [04:33:53] | cesman: | lol! |
| [04:33:56] | iamlindoro: | NSFW |
| [04:33:59] | iamlindoro: | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/731524/elizabet . . . olie_gettin/ |
| [04:34:00] | cesman: | iamlindoro: right! |
| [04:34:34] | mkrufky: | every time i see "nsfw" i think "no soup for you!" ... but something just doesnt line up |
| [04:35:55] | mkrufky: | anyway ... right shes not ugly.. he said that recently and i just had it in my head |
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| [04:36:50] | CCFL_Man2: | no soup for woo |
| [04:36:54] | mkrufky: | :-) |
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| [05:08:59] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... can't get mytharchive to work atm ... iirc, I used to flush archiveitems if|when there were problems ... but a table with 983 items sounds odd! |
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| [05:09:02] | mzb_d800: | any ideas? |
| [05:09:42] | mzb_d800: | mytharchive helper goes through all it's queries, and then sits there for a long time *thinking* |
| [05:09:56] | mzb_d800: | not sure what it's doing ... no log output (even with -v all) |
| [05:10:21] | clever: | strace!! |
| [05:10:34] | clever: | i overuse that alot but it helps to track down where cpu power is going |
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| [05:15:59] | pat__: | clever, remember you're not a "normal" user |
| [05:16:08] | clever: | and?:P |
| [05:19:30] | iamlindoro: | Therapy |
| [05:19:50] | clever: | been there done that got the tshirt! |
| [05:19:51] | mzb_d800: | cpu usage then drops, and FE locked |
| [05:20:00] | mzb_d800: | have confirmed with a 2nd FE |
| [05:20:36] | mzb_d800: | I'm not convinced strace will tell me why mytharchive(helper) doesn't like me |
| [05:20:41] | ** clever puts on a justinh suit, it could still be your config!, whipe it all and reproduce with a fresh source build! ** | |
| [05:20:42] | clever: | :P |
| [05:21:16] | iamlindoro: | no, mzb_d800 has too much sense to do to hissetup the things you do to yours |
| [05:21:55] | mzb_d800: | err... let's say it's not as much of a hack as it was ;) |
| [05:22:41] | clever: | oops, i broke trac! |
| [05:22:41] | clever: | Trac detected an internal error: |
| [05:22:46] | clever: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline |
| [05:22:57] | clever: | does it hate me or was it allready broken? |
| [05:23:37] | iamlindoro: | You have the clever midas touch |
| [05:23:41] | iamlindoro: | everything you touch turns to shit |
| [05:23:44] | clever: | lol |
| [05:23:54] | clever: | then why didnt it implode months ago when i posted my 1st ticket |
| [05:23:59] | mzb_d800: | I'm assuming I have the right table in mind for mytharchive? (archiveitems) |
| [05:24:05] | iamlindoro: | I didn't say how long it took |
| [05:24:10] | wagnerrp: | everything takes its time to fester |
| [05:24:53] | clever: | fixed now somehow |
| [05:25:15] | clever: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5709 justinh refused to accept that i was right on this bug:P |
| [05:25:24] | clever: | yet one glance at the code says so |
| [05:25:55] | clever: | if you follow the flow of the code, it trys to get the same mutex twice in a row and implodes |
| [05:26:33] | iamlindoro: | clever, anyone who doubts your talk is right to do so-- you manage to break things at a rate ten times that the rest of the world |
| [05:26:47] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... deleting the contents of mytharchive and flushing it seem to have fixed the issue |
| [05:26:48] | iamlindoro: | And you *are* prone to doing loony things to your setups |
| [05:26:54] | clever: | in that case, somebody else broke the code |
| [05:27:08] | iamlindoro: | Even a broken clock is right twice a day |
| [05:27:08] | clever: | but my massive io loads triggered the problem |
| [05:27:13] | clever: | lol |
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| [05:27:46] | mzb_d800: | iamlindoro: unless it's still turning ;) |
| [05:28:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, no one else had a dozen machines trying to transcode over 10/100 network and a p2-based file server |
| [05:28:22] | clever: | my file server is a P4 |
| [05:28:36] | clever: | the problem was doing a massive mv over nfs while it was recording |
| [05:28:49] | clever: | mv doesnt throttle so it eats 100% of the bandwidth and allways causes trouble |
| [05:29:13] | clever: | had nothing to do with the dozen transcoders:P |
| [05:29:36] | wagnerrp: | well it should eat 100% of whatever is free |
| [05:29:53] | clever: | and i was aiming it at heavily fragmented files |
| [05:30:01] | clever: | so the disk was locked seeking back and forth 99% of the time |
| [05:30:09] | wagnerrp: | if one program (i.e. mythtv) can bring down the system, the system should have a better hardened scheduler |
| [05:30:11] | clever: | which left little time to write the active recording to disk |
| [05:30:34] | clever: | i also wasnt using ionice on mv so it was at equal prio to mythtv |
| [05:31:59] | clever: | my random abort()ing has also disapeared |
| [05:32:10] | clever: | things are back to stable for now |
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| [05:45:59] | mzb_d800: | clever: try rsync |
| [05:46:36] | mzb_d800: | --bwlimit=KBPS limit I/O bandwidth; KBytes per second |
| [05:47:44] | clever: | might be usefull |
| [05:47:54] | clever: | but ionice lets me set things to run only when the drive is idle |
| [05:48:02] | clever: | and also lets me increase the prio of mythtv |
| [05:48:11] | mzb_d800: | oh-nice ;) |
| [05:48:28] | clever: | but ive just found a new problem |
| [05:48:47] | clever: | my recording host was working fine with no storage dir's on its hostname |
| [05:48:49] | clever: | so it defaulted to stealing the paths from every host |
| [05:49:04] | clever: | to force a bit of prio on it, i added a single path |
| [05:49:10] | clever: | now it only ever records to that 1 place |
| [05:49:17] | clever: | which quickly overflows and autoexpires! |
| [05:50:06] | clever: | so ive added the other 3 paths(that are all nfs or localy mounted) |
| [06:02:43] | clever: | 2008-09–11 02:59:34.342 TV Error: StartPlayer(): NVP is not playing after 20000 msec |
| [06:03:05] | clever: | mzb_d800: that error is behaving weirdly |
| [06:03:29] | clever: | playback started and continued normaly |
| [06:03:34] | clever: | while ignoring the keyboard |
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| [06:14:09] | mzb_d800: | so you have multiple dirs within the default storage group? |
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| [06:16:34] | clever: | mzb_d800: yep |
| [06:16:45] | mzb_d800: | are they in any particular order? |
| [06:16:47] | clever: | but only 1 of those was entered under the master hostname |
| [06:16:56] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [06:17:06] | clever: | which meant the master ignored all others for recording |
| [06:17:15] | clever: | and overflowed that 1 tiny 20gig dir |
| [06:17:23] | mzb_d800: | I've noticed strange behaviours in that regard, then I moved all the drives to a single host ;) |
| [06:17:41] | clever: | ive got 4 dir's spread over 3 hosts |
| [06:17:54] | mzb_d800: | that being said, I now have the drives in separate storage groups (thanks to ${WOMAN}) |
| [06:18:00] | clever: | lol |
| [06:18:15] | mzb_d800: | need to get a few 750GB SATA drives :| |
| [06:18:23] | mzb_d800: | (and sneak them in without her noticing;) |
| [06:18:24] | clever: | i wrote up a php script which peeks into the db to find all storage dir's |
| [06:18:29] | clever: | then checks the free space |
| [06:18:32] | clever: | and schedules |
| [06:18:41] | clever: | That '70s Show – "Hyde Gets th 41 WSBK 11 20:30–21:00 1 4 11 A 4 0/ 0 |
| [06:18:48] | clever: | it will run out of space when that records |
| [06:19:14] | clever: | the bigest bug right now, it counts every like in mythbackend --printsched as using 1.1gig |
| [06:19:31] | clever: | which means half hour shows(500mb) and 2 hour movies(2gig) make it inacurate |
| [06:19:40] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [06:20:00] | clever: | im simply calcing out the free hours based on free space |
| [06:20:01] | mzb_d800: | I'm looking at ~2.2GB/hr ... so even worse |
| [06:20:16] | clever: | then using head&tail to trim the mythbackend --printsched |
| [06:20:29] | clever: | 5.293344352394gig are deleted |
| [06:20:38] | clever: | while also taking into account the undelete recgroup |
| [06:20:44] | clever: | 38.7391662598gig free |
| [06:20:44] | clever: | 22.0325106122gig can be safely used |
| [06:20:44] | clever: | 16.9hours can be recorded |
| [06:21:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youve got a problem there |
| [06:21:24] | wagnerrp: | youre calculating down to fractions of bytes |
| [06:21:54] | clever: | im rounding it off to hours as an int before mixing in the schedules |
| [06:22:13] | clever: | so its printing i think 16 lines of the schedule |
| [06:22:21] | clever: | and it assumes every line takes 1 hour |
| [06:23:11] | clever: | 38.7391662598*1024*1024 == 40,620,960.000036 |
| [06:23:31] | clever: | id call that fraction a loss from inacuracys in the FPU core |
| [06:23:51] | wagnerrp: | except... its integer math |
| [06:23:58] | wagnerrp: | there should be no loss |
| [06:24:22] | wagnerrp: | theres no reason to convert it to a float |
| [06:24:41] | clever: | $freespace+=disk_free_space($row[dirname])/1024/1024/1024; |
| [06:24:45] | clever: | echo $freespace."gig free\n"; |
| [06:25:29] | clever: | yeah it should be staying as int's, enless php's / operator likes to floatify things |
| [06:25:40] | wagnerrp: | store it as int bytes, convert and round as you display |
| [06:26:57] | clever: | Warning: Division by zero in /home/mythtv/bin/spacesummary on line 32 |
| [06:27:11] | clever: | fixed |
| [06:29:48] | clever: | 38.5730628967gig free |
| [06:29:48] | clever: | 21.8664072491gig can be safely used |
| [06:29:48] | clever: | 19.1hours can be recorded |
| [06:30:07] | clever: | numbers havent changed that much from the rewrite |
| [06:30:50] | clever: | 21.8664072491*1024*1024*1024 == 23,478,876,003.975456 |
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| [06:31:05] | clever: | still winds up as a fraction of a byte if i reverse a conversion |
| [06:31:27] | wagnerrp: | so just round it off when you print it |
| [06:31:37] | wagnerrp: | that many decimal places just looks dirty |
| [06:32:22] | clever: | done |
| [06:32:32] | clever: | 21.81gig can be safely used |
| [06:34:44] | wagnerrp: | see, now isnt that so much nicer |
| [06:35:12] | clever: | yeah, but it would look better as 218.1gig can be safely used |
| [06:35:43] | wagnerrp: | well that requires new hard drives |
| [06:35:59] | clever: | the 320gig drive only lasted a couple of weeks |
| [06:37:49] | clever: | thats weird |
| [06:37:58] | clever: | 2 mythtv files outside of any storage group |
| [06:38:13] | wagnerrp: | ive only got.... 1054GB available between my two mythtv systems |
| [06:38:19] | CCFL_Man2: | why in the world do these rf modulators have F connectors for the audio and video inputs? |
| [06:38:39] | clever: | i think those are the 2 episodes i downloaded when camping |
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| [06:43:42] | wagnerrp: | although only about half that is redundant |
| [06:44:22] | clever: | id paste my df -h but then id be banned for spaming:P |
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| [06:46:10] | mzb_d800: | I've got ~1.7TB ... and now full again :( |
| [06:46:33] | mzb_d800: | need to do a clean out ... but currently don't have a host suitable for editing ... must address that |
| [06:46:42] | clever: | i bearly total tb between all my drives i own |
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| [06:56:49] | pat___: | clever, the time you spend futzing around with all of this is probably better spent in a paying job and just buying some new hardware |
| [06:57:18] | clever: | but right now i have over 150 things to watch:P |
| [06:57:35] | clever: | if i spend time on a job i wont have time to watch all this and i might aswell just not record anything |
| [06:57:40] | pat___: | I'd hate to count mine |
| [06:57:44] | pat___: | some stupid amount |
| [06:57:44] | clever: | which means i wont need as much space and dont need a new drive |
| [06:58:04] | pat___: | I mean a whole new single computer to replace just about all of them |
| [06:58:13] | pat___: | you'll save on power bills in about a year or so |
| [06:58:26] | clever: | im not paying the power bills:P |
| [06:59:39] | pat___: | that explains it |
| [06:59:50] | clever: | dads basement:P |
| [06:59:54] | pat___: | my wife told me to get going on virtulization and get rid of some machines |
| [07:00:19] | clever: | i tried to run xp in qemu once |
| [07:00:20] | pat___: | "if you need to buy something good, go and do it and get rid of this huge heap of heaters" |
| [07:00:22] | wagnerrp: | virtualization for what? |
| [07:00:29] | clever: | task manager ate 80% of the cpu power |
| [07:00:39] | clever: | and lagged like mag |
| [07:00:40] | clever: | mad |
| [07:00:45] | pat___: | wagnerrp: rather than running a dozen machines |
| [07:01:31] | pat___: | she was right of course |
| [07:01:34] | wagnerrp: | you actually need to run them logically separate, but dont need them physically separate? |
| [07:01:52] | clever: | most of my stuff i can put into a single non virtualized system |
| [07:02:03] | clever: | but the windows stuff needs its own windows kernel |
| [07:02:07] | pat___: | not any more, I've got a few virtual machines for various purposes |
| [07:02:09] | clever: | which works best in its own box |
| [07:02:17] | pat___: | and two physical machines |
| [07:02:29] | wagnerrp: | i really only have two machines i could consolidate, and i would rather keep them physically separate |
| [07:02:41] | clever: | i have 5 desktops going |
| [07:02:44] | pat___: | she who must be obeyed was right, the power bill dropped |
| [07:02:52] | clever: | 1 of them im working on phasing out |
| [07:04:33] | pat___: | I wonder how long it would take for a 24" lcd to beat this 24" widescreen crt based on power usage |
| [07:04:50] | clever: | most of my desktops are headless |
| [07:05:19] | clever: | i only have 2 crt's hooked up and only 1 that i use daily |
| [07:05:22] | pat___: | I've got a laptop and a desktop in addition to the servers, 8.9" laptop and a 24" desktop |
| [07:05:47] | clever: | i have 2 desktops and a laptop on the KVM upstairs, which feeds a CRT |
| [07:06:01] | clever: | the crt has a slightly larger screen then the laptop |
| [07:06:10] | clever: | and the kvm gives me a middle click mouse |
| [07:06:52] | clever: | also the hinges in the laptop are toast |
| [07:07:00] | clever: | so the panel slams shut without warning |
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| [07:55:24] | directhex: | today, it seems, i was unable to convince the useless ksirc to behave properly |
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| [07:56:30] | directhex: | testing... |
| [07:56:32] | directhex: | hm, it'll do |
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| [08:27:01] | justinh: | damn users list. a freeview/freesat channel mysteriously disappears. should they rescan? BUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [08:27:24] | justinh: | no, channel four is off the air now, what other explanation could there be? ffs |
| [08:29:25] | laga: | bah, people asking for trunk builds again |
| [08:29:42] | laga: | i wish there was less annoying stuff on -users so i could subscribe again |
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| [08:36:18] | justinh: | the -dev list is getting a low s/n ratio too :( |
| [08:37:14] | laga: | yeah.. |
| [08:37:20] | laga: | "hardware no worky" – WTF |
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| [10:12:46] | justinh: | hmm. I think the mailing lists should be renamed. mythtv-noobs & mythtv-slightly-less-than-noobs :D |
| [10:14:12] | sid3windr: | -but-still |
| [10:17:08] | justinh: | nice to see some development talk going on though – anduin's IMDB thread :) |
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| [10:35:44] | DHvE: | hi guys |
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| [11:11:29] | justinh: | nothing like a greeting to kill the channel dead |
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| [11:22:31] | laga: | haha |
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| [11:35:43] | DHvE: | could someone maybe say me which sources are used on MD5? |
| [11:36:12] | fryfrog: | wha? |
| [11:36:19] | fryfrog: | md5 is a checksum? |
| [11:36:20] | DHvE: | ... I need to recompile it because I´m using the Multiproto Drivers |
| [11:36:30] | DHvE: | MythDora |
| [11:36:40] | fryfrog: | oh, mythdora 5 |
| [11:37:19] | DHvE: | ... The "Thing" the guys of MythDora build is great ... it works ..^^ |
| [11:39:00] | DHvE: | But the MultiProto HAVE to work ... and now it doesn´t show me all channels I found with szap2. Maybe this is caused by the "Unsupported FEC- |
| [11:39:11] | DHvE: | fec_inner" Parameter |
| [11:39:30] | DHvE: | error I get when starting the Backend |
| [11:40:46] | DHvE: | S.O has some Ideas? |
| [11:41:07] | directhex: | patch & recompile myth |
| [11:41:12] | directhex: | as well as patching the kernel |
| [11:42:20] | DHvE: | the driver is already installed as module |
| [11:42:32] | DHvE: | so what do i have to change on the kernel? |
| [11:42:49] | fryfrog: | what is that thing called that isn't raid? |
| [11:42:52] | fryfrog: | oh, nm lvm |
| [11:42:54] | fryfrog: | thanks :) |
| [11:43:47] | justinh: | s/raid/useful for mythtv anymore |
| [11:47:16] | fryfrog: | it was in reference to something else |
| [11:47:34] | fryfrog: | i'm building a server and discussing the use of a single / vs. partitioning out /var, /home, etc |
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| [11:47:57] | fryfrog: | the name of that tool that lets you easily move around/resize your junk... it slipped my mind :) |
| [11:49:00] | fryfrog: | in a semi-related note, the debian testing weekly build installer supports raid10 :) |
| [11:49:16] | fryfrog: | and the linux kernel raid10 module is kind of neat, not really raid1+0 |
| [11:49:34] | fryfrog: | you *can* do linux kernel raid10 on two disks! crazy! |
| [11:50:04] | fryfrog: | and even *crazier* is it can be done on odd numbers of disks |
| [11:55:12] | ** DHvE slaps gregL around a bit with a large trout ** | |
| [11:58:24] | directhex: | no i won't initiate a DCC chat. |
| [11:58:40] | laga: | ? |
| [11:59:03] | directhex: | -DHvE- -DCC Chat (78.42.61.191) |
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| [11:59:25] | DHvE: | just wanted to know which mythtv source you would recommend me for md5 |
| [12:00:34] | laga: | the one that's used on mythdora i'd say |
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| [12:01:09] | DHvE: | where can i find themP |
| [12:01:11] | DHvE: | ? |
| [12:01:24] | laga: | i guess they have a repo |
| [12:01:32] | laga: | just ask them, they're required to provide the source. |
| [12:01:41] | DHvE: | ok |
| [12:01:55] | DHvE: | that helps i hope so ... ^^ |
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| [12:23:32] | D^A^N: | how do i detect in osx my HP expresscard tv tuner card (manufacturer Yuan, chipset B2C2 FlexCopil DVB) |
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| [12:25:39] | D^A^N: | does anyone know |
| [12:27:11] | justinh: | no idea. OSX != linux |
| [12:27:25] | justinh: | and if it doesn't already have driver support, can you say HA HA ? |
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| [12:29:01] | D^A^N: | no i cant cause its not funny .. its detected as a driver in the 'profiler' just no software seems to actually pick it up.. and apparently i think mythtv works in osx :S |
| [12:29:36] | laga: | D^A^N: mythtv-backend doesn't support capture cards like yours in OS X |
| [12:30:57] | justinh: | so it IS funny then! |
| [12:32:28] | D^A^N: | laga why not.. profiler detects the card is by yuan. is there any osx tv tuner program that detects B2C2 Flexcopil.. i think thats what my card is using |
| [12:32:57] | laga: | D^A^N: it doesnt support the API |
| [12:33:17] | D^A^N: | damn |
| [12:33:18] | justinh: | D^A^N: what laga is trying to tell you is that there's no V4L or DVB support in OSX – at least not the kind mythtv needs |
| [12:34:37] | D^A^N: | surely some osx program supports this b2c2 chipset.. cause ive tryed like 3 :S |
| [12:35:44] | justinh: | the problem isn't one of driver support |
| [12:35:58] | justinh: | the problem is mythbackend can't use your mac's hardware |
| [12:36:27] | justinh: | because mac drivers != linux drivers – because the API they use is completely different |
| [12:37:17] | D^A^N: | oh |
| [12:37:23] | justinh: | if you install linux on your mac.. maybe then it'll work – if the device is supported |
| [12:37:36] | justinh: | supported by linux, I mean |
| [12:37:51] | D^A^N: | its actually a intel pc running osx 10.5.4 |
| [12:37:53] | D^A^N: | :) |
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| [12:38:27] | justinh: | jesus H fecking christ |
| [12:38:28] | D^A^N: | suprised its so hard to find atuner program that supports it |
| [12:39:32] | mzb_d800: | *fart* |
| [12:39:35] | mzb_d800: | oops |
| [12:39:45] | mzb_d800: | sorry ... wrong channel ;) |
| [12:39:47] | mzb_d800: | heh |
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| [12:39:52] | mzb_d800: | *hic* |
| [12:40:33] | D^A^N: | mythtv i think supports b2c2-flexcop: B2C2 FlexcopII/II(b)/III digital TV receiver chip |
| [12:41:57] | D^A^N: | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/dvb/README.flexcop ... ahh its supported in linux . how do i port it to osx or surely someones done this :S |
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| [12:44:01] | justinh: | why do something retarded like run osx on a PC to run an app best suited to linux anyway? oh nevermind |
| [12:44:56] | laga: | ah, a hackintosh user ;) |
| [12:47:56] | D^A^N: | laga indeed :).. and justinh do u have a problem with people running osx on a pc... afterall a mac is basically a intel pc :P |
| [12:48:49] | D^A^N: | and im not running a whole os just for the sake of a tv tunercard... when more then likely some 3rd party osx program will support B2C2 chipset considering its standard digital |
| [12:48:55] | laga: | well |
| [12:49:03] | laga: | then go look for that program :) |
| [12:49:11] | D^A^N: | i am.. :P |
| [12:49:45] | D^A^N: | http://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/cgi-bin/lxr/sour . . . c2/flexcop.c there we go.. go port it :P |
| [12:49:47] | D^A^N: | hahaha |
| [12:52:14] | justinh: | I don'thave any issues with OSX, macs or PCs... it's just when people try to do retarded pointless stuff just because they CAN. fucking weirdos |
| [12:52:54] | D^A^N: | justinh wats pointless i need b2c2 chipset to work in osx... and havent found software that supports it yet |
| [12:53:01] | D^A^N: | :S |
| [12:55:33] | dustybin: | LVM was dam simple to setup |
| [12:56:10] | dustybin: | ive now created partitions for mythmusic, mythvideo + mythgallery |
| [12:56:20] | dustybin: | all resizable of course :) |
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| [13:26:39] | jarle: | I had 6 encoders in mythtv, I deleted all in mythtv-setup and created new inputs, and the new inputs started counting at 7, even if I had deleted all the old inputs? |
| [13:27:03] | laga: | yes. |
| [13:27:45] | directhex: | if you want to avoid that, you have to use "delete all tuners on all systems" not "delete all tuners" |
| [13:28:52] | jarle: | directhex: ok, I'll do that next time I find an opening between all scheduled shows then :) |
| [13:29:24] | jarle: | directhex: It "looks" better in the list of upcoming recordings when inputs starts counting at 1 |
| [13:31:08] | directhex: | oh, doing that might break channel numbering on old recordings. FYI. |
| [13:32:45] | directhex: | it'll say a recording came from channel #7007 for example, for tuner 7 channel 7, instead of turning the number into a name & icon |
| [13:32:52] | directhex: | since the record for #7007 will be gone |
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| [13:40:18] | xevious: | hello |
| [13:41:57] | xevious: | so i can successfully grab video from my cable box via firewire using dvgrab, but with mythtv i dont get any video. any tips? |
| [13:42:40] | xevious: | to be absolutely clear, i dont get any signal in mythtv, no video and no audio |
| [13:43:48] | xevious: | i also tried compiling the channel changing program in contrib, and that does not work |
| [13:44:22] | ** justinh celebrates making a VFD work on a parallel port :) ** | |
| [13:45:22] | pigeon: | hi all, is there a reason why the overall start early/end late doesn't seem to be working? |
| [13:46:02] | justinh: | what do you mean – doesn't seem to be working? |
| [13:46:16] | justinh: | do you mean it's still missing the ends off programmes? |
| [13:46:20] | pigeon: | recording isn't stated early and ended late. |
| [13:46:23] | pigeon: | teag |
| [13:46:25] | pigeon: | yeah |
| [13:46:39] | justinh: | lemme guess you're in Oz |
| [13:46:54] | pigeon: | i *think* it used to work before, maybe it's after i upgraded my myth |
| [13:47:06] | pigeon: | justinh: hmm yeah, i'm in Oz ;) |
| [13:47:36] | pigeon: | i know there're two start early/end late settings, one is the "overall" one, another is the default scheduler. |
| [13:48:03] | pigeon: | i've been using the overall for a few years and it had been working ok. But only recently i noticed it isn't anymore. |
| [13:48:39] | pigeon: | justinh: is there something i should know about Oz? ;) |
| [13:48:58] | justinh: | yeah. they say a show will be broadcast on Thursday – or they may aswell do |
| [13:54:40] | pigeon: | hmm |
| [13:54:53] | pigeon: | well, here's what i see |
| [13:55:16] | pigeon: | i have overall start early set as 3 minutes |
| [13:55:31] | mzb_d800: | pigeon: there are two different settings |
| [13:55:50] | mzb_d800: | afaik one is referred to as soft, the other as hard |
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| [13:56:13] | mzb_d800: | have a look for those (I'm still confused;) |
| [13:56:24] | mzb_d800: | and as you know I'm .au too ;) |
| [13:56:45] | pigeon: | the overall should be soft, the scheduler is hard, i believe. |
| [13:56:50] | mzb_d800: | ps: I have 10mins pre and 20mins post (iirc) |
| [13:56:52] | pigeon: | mzb_d800: ahha! i see you everywhere :) |
| [13:56:56] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [13:57:14] | mzb_d800: | coming to lca2009? |
| [13:57:28] | pigeon: | unfortunately i don't think i can make it |
| [13:57:32] | mzb_d800: | bugger |
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| [13:58:44] | mzb_d800: | you'll be missing a "once in a life-time" (judging by my life expentancy(wtf?) ;)) |
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| [13:59:31] | mzb_d800: | .au tv is a bastard to record, esp. from 7p to 3a |
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| [13:59:55] | pigeon: | ah, correction, i used to have overall start early 5 minutes, end late 10 minutes. |
| [14:00:22] | mzb_d800: | I've found those settings to be insufficient |
| [14:00:31] | mzb_d800: | (I started with those) |
| [14:00:42] | mzb_d800: | and they don't suit all #'s |
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| [14:01:32] | pigeon: | perhaps i should ramp them up, that will make it very obvious whether the settings are actually working. |
| [14:01:36] | mzb_d800: | sctv (7) and tdt (10) are usually the worst offenders, but I'm not aware of a method of changing the limits on a per-station basis |
| [14:02:10] | mzb_d800: | I could probably cut abc and sbs down to 3/7 |
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| [14:02:47] | mzb_d800: | win is somewhere in-between (on average, but still not reliable) |
| [14:02:53] | mzb_d800: | (9) |
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| [14:03:37] | pigeon: | hmm |
| [14:04:19] | pigeon: | nite for now :) |
| [14:04:21] | mzb_d800: | the main thing that made it work for me was changing high-quality to lossless ... but I guess I could have used a user-job for that (in hindsight) |
| [14:04:27] | mzb_d800: | k, gnite |
| [14:05:10] | mzb_d800: | ie: I (try to) transcode a recording asap afterwards to remove ads |
| [14:05:17] | mzb_d800: | then I work on it later |
| [14:05:25] | mzb_d800: | (if necessary) |
| [14:06:21] | mzb_d800: | not much you can do about it in .au .... times are so far out that you can only use them as an "indication" as opposed to a "schedule" |
| [14:06:30] | pigeon: | i actually don't use remove ads, i just didn't trust it. |
| [14:06:58] | mzb_d800: | I remove manually ... just use commflag as hints for editing |
| [14:07:55] | mzb_d800: | I mean remove pre+post ... then lossless transcode (with ads still embedded) |
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| [14:08:10] | mzb_d800: | saves up to 1GB |
| [14:08:31] | mzb_d800: | take ads out (for a movie) saves another 1GB |
| [14:08:35] | pigeon: | ah yeah, i've done that before |
| [14:08:37] | mzb_d800: | burn to dvd |
| [14:09:09] | mzb_d800: | transcode to 640x480@4400 and save 60% |
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| [14:10:25] | mzb_d800: | *but* takes an "editing" machine ... different stations use different ad/segway/fading techniques ... takes a fast machine to pick the difference |
| [14:10:40] | mzb_d800: | (and replay of the same cut to pick it) |
| [14:10:54] | mzb_d800: | (bufferring afaik) |
| [14:10:59] | mzb_d800: | rr? ;) |
| [14:11:02] | mzb_d800: | dm |
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| [14:12:08] | mzb_d800: | it's all about time, effort, the end result and the timing of each stage |
| [14:12:23] | mzb_d800: | (and how important the recording is;)) |
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| [14:13:00] | Gimpy: | hi all, does anyone know to to integrate xmradio into mythtv? i ran across one site but it uses source. Is there an ebuild for mythtv_xm_stream? |
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| [14:13:53] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: shoutcast? |
| [14:15:13] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: what is shoutcast? , if i remmber right its another media server? |
| [14:15:32] | mzb_d800: | there was/is a patch for shoutcast internet radio streams, I think the author's name was/is eskril |
| [14:15:47] | mzb_d800: | no idea about xmradio |
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| [14:16:57] | mzb_d800: | make that eskil |
| [14:17:00] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: , your where hepin me yesteday, so just to let you know mythtv somehow ended up with a problem, and i just re-emerged mythtv and i was good to go |
| [14:17:15] | cesman: | Gimpy: search on the wiki |
| [14:17:18] | mzb_d800: | http://www.eskil.org/mythtv/ |
| [14:17:49] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: good to hear ... watching moving pictures yet? ;) |
| [14:17:51] | Gimpy: | ok thanks |
| [14:18:27] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: to set up a d-link dsm-320 i need to setup UpnP , corred? |
| [14:18:44] | mzb_d800: | err upnp beyond me |
| [14:18:52] | mzb_d800: | (wish I knew;)) |
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| [14:20:38] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: no got sick of myth about midnight after i made sure it was working, how can i globaly tell mythtv to skip commercials when recording versus setting commercial skip on every chanle? |
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| [14:20:50] | ttuttle: | Hey. |
| [14:21:00] | ttuttle: | I've got a Pinnacle PCTV HD Pro Stick (the one Woot was selling a while ago, not yesterday). |
| [14:21:20] | ttuttle: | It's the North American (ATSC) version. I set it up in MythTV, but I can't tune to any channels. |
| [14:21:51] | ttuttle: | Also, I keep running into a problem where mythtv-setup opens 20 database connections, one at a time, then hangs. |
| [14:21:53] | mzb_d800: | if you're that confident that commflagging is accurate (for you) you can always setup an automatic lossless transcode |
| [14:22:03] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: , what driver are you using |
| [14:22:10] | mzb_d800: | _or_ you can have the FE's auto-skip |
| [14:22:16] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: em28xx |
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| [14:22:52] | wild_oscar: | howdi. has any of you successfully configured a sony PS3 bluetooth remote? |
| [14:23:03] | mzb_d800: | ttuttle: what does google tell you about the results from lsusb, etc? |
| [14:23:12] | Gimpy: | i thaught i saw a new driver v4l-dvb-hg ( it was listed as i think one of the cards supported |
| [14:23:17] | mzb_d800: | (etc=dmesg) |
| [14:23:17] | directhex: | wild_oscar: this is your lucky day. |
| [14:23:17] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: I've gotten the card working with xine. |
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| [14:23:48] | wild_oscar: | directhex: did you use antion's bd remote program? |
| [14:24:07] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: I just need to convince myth to work with it. |
| [14:24:10] | mzb_d800: | ttuttle: so are you sure that your mythtv setup will work without tuners? |
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| [14:24:15] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: I have a pinnical pci-700 video capture card , i can't seem to find the driver, would you happen to know |
| [14:24:21] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: wait, what? |
| [14:24:24] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: this is a tuner! |
| [14:24:29] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [14:24:39] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: no |
| [14:24:59] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: myth recognizes it in the setup, and I've got it attached to a listings source, but I don't get channel numbers or any video when I run "mythtv". |
| [14:25:08] | mzb_d800: | ttuttle: you must be joking: justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| [14:25:09] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: I can't even tell if it's tuned to the right channel — it doesn't display that. |
| [14:25:26] | mzb_d800: | to you both: 12:25am here ... give me a break! ;) |
| [14:25:38] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: Yeah, because Google understands "mythtv recognizes but does not actually let me view video from my em28xx-based TV tuner" |
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| [14:25:58] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: :-\ |
| [14:26:00] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: , repopulate your db for that card (if your using a new line up (sounds like you might be) |
| [14:26:07] | mzb_d800: | ttuttle: might suggest you've got another problem |
| [14:26:17] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: thanks, I'll try that. |
| [14:26:34] | mzb_d800: | (ie: with your mythtv setup) |
| [14:26:48] | ttuttle: | Hold on a sec, as it's doing that, it spits out a bunch of messages like "DataDirect: Not adding channel 'KDKA'". |
| [14:26:55] | ttuttle: | It seems to not be adding *any* of the channels. |
| [14:27:06] | mzb_d800: | sounds vaguely encouraging |
| [14:27:23] | directhex: | wild_oscar: no, i had started using my remote with my ps3 by the time he wrote it |
| [14:27:31] | directhex: | wild_oscar: but i did the earlier cakemmote app |
| [14:27:32] | mzb_d800: | I know nothing about ATSC ... so can't offer commentary |
| [14:27:32] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: , don't forget 'mythdatabasefill' 'mythdatabasefill --refresh all' |
| [14:27:50] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [14:27:52] | iamlindoro: | directhex, the cakemmote is a lie |
| [14:27:57] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: okay. I'm going to double-check the settings in mythsetup too. |
| [14:28:02] | mzb_d800: | mythfilldatabase |
| [14:28:21] | iamlindoro: | directhex, did you also do the looneytoadsmackmmote? |
| [14:28:28] | mzb_d800: | (has also been referred to as mythfuckdatabase;)) |
| [14:28:37] | wild_oscar: | directhex: hmm.. |
| [14:28:37] | mzb_d800: | (accidentally) |
| [14:28:54] | wild_oscar: | I was using bdremote without a problem, great setup with lirc |
| [14:29:00] | wild_oscar: | now, all of a sudden it stopped working |
| [14:29:08] | ttuttle: | Hmm. |
| [14:29:09] | wild_oscar: | I have no idea what the hell happened |
| [14:29:32] | wild_oscar: | hcpi tool finds the address |
| [14:29:36] | ttuttle: | I did "Scan for Channels" on the "Connect source to input" screen, and it did the same thing — asked DataDirect for the channels, then skipped them all. |
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| [14:30:21] | wild_oscar: | I've just tried cakemote as we speak |
| [14:30:23] | mzb_d800: | can't help you with ATSC and .us |
| [14:30:25] | wild_oscar: | (the python script) |
| [14:31:02] | mzb_d800: | the common answer I hear is: pay $20 to SD |
| [14:31:10] | mzb_d800: | (and be done with it) |
| [14:31:28] | wild_oscar: | and it detects button presses |
| [14:31:48] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: I'm already paying that. mythtv-fill-database downloads the data, then says it's not adding any channels. |
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| [14:32:34] | mzb_d800: | one of the .us guys will have to help you there |
| [14:32:41] | mzb_d800: | way beyond me |
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| [14:33:03] | wild_oscar: | directhex: what do you mean by " i had started using my remote with my ps3 by the time he wrote it" ? |
| [14:33:51] | ttuttle: | Hmm, maybe it is adding them. |
| [14:34:56] | ttuttle: | How do I get channel numbers, or names, or *anything* in mythtv? |
| [14:35:05] | ttuttle: | All I ever see is a blank tab or "Adding channel". |
| [14:35:08] | mzb_d800: | f0rk! .. I've just realised one of the (many) reasons I like mythtv ... I miss the ads that go "I'm all alone, and I want you. Just call me on XXXXXXX and ..." |
| [14:35:15] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: ,check out SD's site( you said you were using it) and go to the forums its one of the first links, there is a step by step for exactly what you are describing |
| [14:35:18] | mzb_d800: | bl00dy 0ath! |
| [14:35:28] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: You mean this card? |
| [14:35:40] | mzb_d800: | (got a test machine connected to TV ;(( ) |
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| [14:36:19] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: i mean your not downding channle error |
| [14:36:31] | wild_oscar: | directhex: ? |
| [14:36:41] | mzb_d800: | bugger ... one more can and a pack of chips (I'm too old to care;)) |
| [14:37:10] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: shoutcast is just a radio extention, doesn't cover xm, or serius, thanks for tryin |
| [14:37:24] | mzb_d800: | ok, sorry to be off the mark |
| [14:37:53] | ttuttle: | Gah. |
| [14:38:10] | mzb_d800: | ttuttle: I do recall something along the lines of "selecting your lineup" ... whatever that means |
| [14:38:17] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: can i give you the link to what im talking about and see if you can make since of part of it ehat i can't? |
| [14:38:19] | ttuttle: | mzb_d800: Yes, I've done that. |
| [14:39:25] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: try using the linup from your other card and edit for the nex card appororatly. |
| [14:39:27] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: yeah ... but be prepared to wait for a wild guess ... I'm going for the _long_walk_ to the beer fridge ;) |
| [14:39:45] | mzb_d800: | (ie: long walk + wild guess) |
| [14:39:48] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: I only have one card. |
| [14:40:21] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: i thaught you had more then 1 card. |
| [14:40:28] | mzb_d800: | == totally unreliable result ;) |
| [14:41:06] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: so you do have an active SD account, with a linum in it?, login to sd's site and go to lineup is there a line up selected |
| [14:41:10] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: No, just this one. Technically it's got NTSC and ATSC tuners though. |
| [14:41:13] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: Yeah, I do. |
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| [14:42:06] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: your in North America, right? |
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| [14:42:57] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: Yeah. |
| [14:44:26] | ** mzb_d800 pokes himself in the ribs ** | |
| [14:44:46] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: then there should be no problem getting a line-up. fyi: just because your card is recognised by mythtv doesn't mean you have drivers installed for it ( mine ih a 150 card and was still seen my myth and i didn't have drivers) |
| [14:45:08] | ttuttle: | Gimpy: I've gotten xine to play HDTV using the card! I know it works. |
| [14:45:34] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: how do you make comments like you just did? / ? |
| [14:46:48] | Gimpy: | ttuttle: ok, i wast around for that part, so you just can't get a channele line up? |
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| [14:48:08] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: heres that link, i gotta go to class in a little while but will be back a few hours after |
| [14:48:34] | Gimpy: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Integrate_XM |
| [14:48:41] | wild_oscar: | directhex: can't you use bdremote after using the remote on the ps3? |
| [14:50:29] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: /me |
| [14:50:30] | justinh: | ach to hell widdit. Oim goin hoime |
| [14:50:33] | directhex: | wild_oscar: the pairing needs to be clared, and haven't gotten around to it |
| [14:52:07] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: with double vision xmradio looks like a completely different animal |
| [14:52:39] | ** mzb_d800 pokes Gimpy in the ribs ** | |
| [14:52:45] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: /me pokes Gimpy in the ribs |
| [14:53:15] | wild_oscar: | directhex: hmm...maybe THAT's what's happening then |
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| [14:56:20] | wild_oscar: | because the only thing I can think of that changed was the fact that I got a PS3 two days ago |
| [14:56:20] | wild_oscar: | and tested the remote there |
| [14:56:20] | wild_oscar: | now bdremote doesn't work no matter what |
| [14:56:23] | wild_oscar: | (although I can see keypresses in cakemote) |
| [14:56:25] | wild_oscar: | directhex: did you try reseting the ps3 to default? |
| [14:57:52] | directhex: | no. tbh the ps3 remote is more useful on the ps3 right now |
| [14:58:05] | directhex: | eventually when i get a proper frontend rather than combined fe/be, i'll buy a second remote |
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| [14:59:38] | wild_oscar: | directhex: so registering the ps3 remote might be what caused bdremote from stop working? |
| [14:59:54] | wild_oscar: | why would it interfere? |
| [15:02:09] | directhex: | because the remote is paired to the ps3's MAC |
| [15:03:02] | ** mzb_d800 pokes Gimpy in the ribs ** | |
| [15:03:07] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [15:04:01] | ** mzb_d800 slaps Gimpy in the head until it rolls off into the corner ** | |
| [15:04:16] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: y poke me :-) , just realized i sent you the wrong link the one i ment to send you says to su- mythtv but i don't have a mythtv login account |
| [15:04:25] | ** mzb_d800 decides he's having too much fun ;) ** | |
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| [15:04:44] | mzb_d800: | errr? |
| [15:04:57] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800, http://users.757.org/~joat/wiki/index.php/MythTV_and_XMRadio |
| [15:05:47] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800: i have a mythtvuser account as per the mythtv directions and install |
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| [15:06:03] | mzb_d800: | a simplified version of your previous link ... still beyond me |
| [15:06:18] | mzb_d800: | I guess I'd have to understand xmradio first ;) |
| [15:06:56] | mzb_d800: | sorry, you've caught me past pumpkin hour |
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| [15:08:29] | mzb_d800: | as far as music is concerned I've found a better way anyway |
| [15:08:38] | wild_oscar: | directhex: geeeeeezzzzzz |
| [15:08:43] | wild_oscar: | thanks for the tip |
| [15:08:47] | wild_oscar: | I got it to work |
| [15:08:53] | mzb_d800: | (oops ... so asleep => Gimpy) |
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| [15:09:28] | wild_oscar: | cakemote can pair the remote back with the computer |
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| [15:10:43] | directhex: | and the other tool should work again now |
| [15:11:14] | mzb_d800: | for those in logland I refer to: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php?title=Cu . . . ;redirect=no |
| [15:11:22] | wild_oscar: | yeah, that's what I meant |
| [15:11:38] | wild_oscar: | assigning it with cakemote makes bdremote work again |
| [15:11:38] | wild_oscar: | ffs |
| [15:12:12] | wild_oscar: | alright, amarok, xine and nautilus back in my hand...and my couch :P |
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| [15:13:57] | mzb_d800: | penguin on your couch? ;) |
| [15:14:29] | wild_oscar: | no, remote on my couch. penguin on my desktop, controlled with the remote: P |
| [15:14:46] | mzb_d800: | ah ... a virtual penguin ;) |
| [15:15:00] | wild_oscar: | and sony's bd remote again as the best invention after the wheel :P |
| [15:15:07] | mzb_d800: | (remote penguin?) |
| [15:17:18] | mzb_d800: | faaark! ... ads that I've missed => "Partner Tracker" ... ffs |
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| [15:18:18] | mzb_d800: | (I used to sell airtime, so I feel even worse when I see this crap;) |
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| [15:21:39] | stuarta: | heh, have just found a channel show "the ocean fish hour" |
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| [15:21:50] | stuarta: | looks more like a webcam pointed at a fishtank |
| [15:23:17] | mzb_d800: | heh |
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| [15:42:32] | mzb_d800: | let's say you've recorded a show and transcoded it. A few months|years later you decide (for whatever reason ... let's say you buy HDTV) that you want to re-record the old shows ... is there a setting along the line of "Record if better format" or similar method? |
| [15:43:06] | mzb_d800: | (or workaround) |
| [15:45:20] | stuarta: | i use forget old |
| [15:45:32] | stuarta: | so it'll be rerecorded |
| [15:45:49] | stuarta: | there's no concept of a better format however |
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| [16:14:43] | abqjp: | mzb_d800: if you know mysql, and are running trunk, there is a "duplicate" column in the recorded and oldrecorded tables. Set that to zero in whichever table is appropriate for your situation, and that will tell Myth to re-record the show. |
| [16:15:17] | mzb_d800: | nice, I'll keep that in mind, thanks |
| [16:15:51] | mzb_d800: | err... running 0.21-fixes ... but that can change |
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| [16:17:27] | mzb_d800: | stuarta: shame. "record if better format" sounds plausible |
| [16:18:14] | mzb_d800: | bugger ... Pink Floyd special |
| [16:23:11] | mzb_d800: | ah well |
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| [16:24:19] | justinh: | the scheduler is quite scary enough without adding an 'if HD' option |
| [16:24:46] | stuarta: | there's already priority modifier stuff in there |
| [16:24:51] | stuarta: | it just needs extending |
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| [16:25:29] | justinh: | not getting anywhere with my mythuibuttonlist hackery yet. I think I'm out of my depth |
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| [16:25:50] | mzb_d800: | justinh: I've heard the "scare theory" before ... I can't believe the scheduler is that simplistic |
| [16:26:19] | justinh: | mzb_d800: have you looked at the mysql query it's based on? |
| [16:26:20] | gnome42: | OK, who's not happy with their service? :) http://www.lewr.com/engineer/ |
| [16:27:08] | mzb_d800: | justinh: no I haven't, but if you'd like help figuring it out I can lend a neurone |
| [16:27:14] | justinh: | like stuarta says it'd probably be easier, better etc to dig into the priorities code instead |
| [16:27:26] | justinh: | mzb_d800: it's BIG. effing B I G |
| [16:27:32] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [16:27:40] | mzb_d800: | compared to? |
| [16:28:04] | justinh: | it's about 3 pages long |
| [16:28:44] | justinh: | anyway, I don't dabble in stuff which could result in major breakages if I can help it ;) |
| [16:29:02] | mzb_d800: | yay ;) ... under 1 year of rewrite to optimise ;) |
| [16:29:56] | mzb_d800: | (rewrites being measured in years for old blokes who don't know better;) |
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| [16:31:16] | justinh: | now if mythtv was as dumb as a VCR... if $time == $scheduletime { setchannel($channel); record($length) } |
| [16:31:40] | mzb_d800: | I appreciate it's not that simple |
| [16:32:10] | justinh: | and not being a patron at the HD temple, I'm looking to improve other areas ;) |
| [16:32:59] | mzb_d800: | I've developed massively more complicated databases single-handed ... it's a matter of getting your head into it |
| [16:33:23] | mzb_d800: | massive == ... can't explain how it works |
| [16:33:59] | mzb_d800: | (or bound by agreement) |
| [16:35:15] | mzb_d800: | tbh, databases have always fascinated me ... and I've done quite well from them |
| [16:36:12] | justinh: | me – I'm jack of all trades. master of ... one or 2 |
| [16:36:30] | mzb_d800: | however, as I get older it takes me longer to adopt the methods/language/etc that's being used or to translate that method to a way that I feel comfortable with |
| [16:36:31] | justinh: | and if I tell anyone what those one or two things are, I have to kill them |
| [16:36:40] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [16:37:21] | justinh: | I started thinking about a calendar-ish plugin the other day. damn distractions |
| [16:37:38] | mzb_d800: | I hesitate to adopt a new database project in fear that it will be my last |
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| [16:37:54] | mzb_d800: | OC=98% |
| [16:38:04] | justinh: | it might tie in nicely with mythnotify & the oft-thought about scrolly info thingy |
| [16:38:13] | mzb_d800: | ie. when I'm good ... I'm good |
| [16:38:56] | mzb_d800: | "You have to make toast today instead of porridge" ?? |
| [16:39:18] | mzb_d800: | (for those that think of TV before food?) |
| [16:39:21] | justinh: | anything that keeps my mind off my job :) |
| [16:39:26] | mzb_d800: | ;)))))) |
| [16:40:08] | justinh: | I've thought better of complaining to my boss about the brain-deadedness of the work I get to do – I mean if it wasn't for that mindless stuff I'd have nothing to do at all |
| [16:40:39] | mzb_d800: | you need the mindless stuff for your hobbies to make sense |
| [16:41:05] | mzb_d800: | (and to be enjoyable) |
| [16:41:21] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [16:41:26] | justinh: | if I was doing themes & coding at work.. you're right – the very last thing I'd wanna do when I get home is.... |
| [16:41:58] | mzb_d800: | "Division 4" .. A Crawford Production ..... chills the blood |
| [16:42:21] | justinh: | crawford productions still going? |
| [16:42:33] | mzb_d800: | .au cheap crap (reruns) |
| [16:42:40] | mzb_d800: | B+W |
| [16:42:46] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [16:43:07] | justinh: | I remember Sons & Daughters & similar crap rolled out at lunchtimes here |
| [16:43:18] | mzb_d800: | and I'm running on set-top box while testing M10K for heat |
| [16:43:25] | mzb_d800: | urrgggh |
| [16:43:49] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... spent a few years in bed watching that crap (under duress) |
| [16:43:59] | mzb_d800: | never want to see it again |
| [16:44:08] | justinh: | either lmsensors was lying, or I was regularly running my CPU @ 80'C |
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| [16:44:25] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | hey all |
| [16:45:04] | mzb_d800: | I'd guess it was lying ... never found a CPU that would run that hot for long (ie: years not months) |
| [16:45:13] | mzb_d800: | gday CmdPrmtMdnss |
| [16:45:57] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | i hope someone could help me with some questions i have |
| [16:47:10] | mzb_d800: | ask and ye shall receive (make sure you're wearing a red tie and the right attitude or you'll have a new brain vent;) |
| [16:47:13] | mzb_d800: | jk ;) |
| [16:47:59] | ** mzb_d800 staggers off to find a stronger influence ** | |
| [16:48:29] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | haha ok im running ubuntu...... |
| [16:48:48] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | i do some minidv editing with kino etc |
| [16:49:38] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | but im looking for away to get my old vhs into kino for editing and then but on a dvd |
| [16:49:58] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | i hear all sorts of info but..... |
| [16:50:49] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | so my question is.....what is a good vid card for linux and will mythtv let me import my vhs to dv format for kino |
| [16:50:57] | justinh: | CmdPrmtMdnss: nope |
| [16:51:05] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't do DV |
| [16:51:22] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | hmmm any ideas???? |
| [16:51:38] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | i mean i can use window....but i really dont use it much anymore |
| [16:52:01] | justinh: | see if your camcorder has analogue input – best way to go :) |
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| [16:54:03] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | yeah i dont see any inputs at all........ok....willl mythtv allow me to import in mpeg2? |
| [16:55:17] | Anduin: | CmdPrmtMdnss: You probably don't want to use mythtv for what you are doing, but any of the ivtv cards will give you an mpeg2 stream. |
| [16:56:06] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | ok what a good card that will work with linux? |
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| [16:56:37] | justinh: | hauppauge pvr150 |
| [16:57:09] | justinh: | my sister in-law's camcorder has a menu option to reconfigure the AV output into AV inputs :) and it was only some cheap thing |
| [16:57:12] | justinh: | lots do :) |
| [16:57:23] | justinh: | be more lossless than mpeg2 capture |
| [16:58:04] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | really...hmm ill have to check that out i have a cannon....a few years old now |
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| [17:00:51] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | dv output would be great import then i could open it in kino without any effort |
| [17:03:34] | AndyCap: | avlink pyro does something like that. but a dv cam with analog in is probably easier to find now |
| [17:06:34] | CmdPrmtMdnss: | well i was just messing around with my camcorder...it looks like i can change the output to and input like you said....ill give it a try thanks for your help everyone |
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| [17:15:22] | justinh: | ding! |
| [17:15:23] | justinh: | :D |
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| [17:21:21] | laga: | heh |
| [17:21:29] | laga: | someone on the users list bought a blu ray drive |
| [17:21:36] | laga: | now he's disappointed it doesnt work in linux |
| [17:22:01] | jduggan_: | lol |
| [17:22:27] | laga: | i mean, SRSLY? |
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| [17:25:39] | datadevil: | hi |
| [17:25:43] | datadevil: | I've got a problem, mythtv live tv seems to 'hang'. I can skip to next bits at which point it doesnt continue either, so it seems to be recording, but showing it in real time doesnt work. I got this from the frontend log: |
| [17:25:43] | datadevil: | 2008-09–11 19:22:54.000 SetAudiotime set=1221153774.769, audt=186107 atc=186196 tb=17108 sb=12500 eds=4800000 abps=4 sf=1 |
| [17:25:45] | datadevil: | 2008-09–11 19:22:54.000 AO: audio waiting for buffer to fill: have 4608 want 6144 |
| [17:25:57] | datadevil: | is that the problem? |
| [17:26:06] | datadevil: | and if so, how can I maybe fix that |
| [17:30:27] | iamlindoro_: | laga: And then, of course, there's the wildly differing opinions on whether it works period when I have clearly written up how *exactly* to make it work, including command lines and specific instructions, in the myth wiki, under every possible searchable phrase |
| [17:32:30] | laga: | iamlindoro_: thing is, "blu ray" doesnt return matches on mediawiki, probably because both search strings are only 3 chars |
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| [17:32:55] | iamlindoro_: | laga: bluray does, as do blu-ray, hddvd, hd-dvd, and "high definition disk formats" |
| [17:32:59] | laga: | to bad mediawiki doesnt give a clear error message in that case. |
| [17:32:59] | laga: | yeah |
| [17:35:04] | laga: | iamlindoro_: nice howto. |
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| [17:35:39] | iamlindoro_: | laga: Better than the Ubuntu one IMHO ;) But the Ubuntu one is the one people always link to |
| [17:35:41] | iamlindoro_: | Thanks, though :) |
| [17:35:45] | GreyFoxx: | iam: Did you say the other day that the basic libraries are coming along and maybe we can have playback without ripping one day ?:) |
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| [17:37:00] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Well, someone is working on an open source BD+ library, and they've made some progress, so at least *something* is happening |
| [17:37:10] | GreyFoxx: | yay :) |
| [17:37:29] | GreyFoxx: | I'm still holding back :) even though transformers is out now heh |
| [17:37:45] | laga: | heh. can't get enough of that product placement? ,) |
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| [17:38:03] | GreyFoxx: | I don't care about that :) |
| [17:38:12] | GreyFoxx: | besides, I want that Camero :) |
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| [17:40:17] | sphery: | Heh... Big difference between two shift-7's (&) and 2 shift-8's (*) at the end of an rm -rf /some/directory line... |
| [17:40:48] | sphery: | So close on the keyboard, but so far in consequences... Oh well, now I don't have to organize all that data on my fileserver. |
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| [17:53:37] | datadevil: | mm..k |
| [17:53:50] | datadevil: | nailed it down a bit..live tv is working from another client; my laptop |
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| [17:54:05] | datadevil: | so it is purely the frontend on the backend machine, which I dont use for tv anyway in reality |
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| [17:59:16] | datadevil: | next problem; I cant seem to change channels... at least, it keeps on showing the same channel |
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| [18:01:05] | XLV: | whats the status of quality of linux methods of upscaling ( be it through xv or mplayer opengl ) vs windows solutions? |
| [18:01:57] | GreyFoxx: | I don't understand the question. Why would there be a difference really? |
| [18:02:08] | GreyFoxx: | Most video scaling is done by the video GPU itself |
| [18:02:14] | GreyFoxx: | so the platform is irrelevant |
| [18:02:28] | laga: | well, some dvd player software can do special upscaling for extra high quality |
| [18:02:56] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh added on deblocking and or hardware deinterlacing might make a difference |
| [18:03:14] | GreyFoxx: | but that would be a per application thing really |
| [18:03:42] | GreyFoxx: | I've yet to see any real output difference between any windows machine vs a linux one playing the same content |
| [18:03:52] | GreyFoxx: | nothing a human would notice anyway :) |
| [18:05:56] | datadevil: | anyone? |
| [18:08:21] | Dagmar: | "upscaling" == bullshit |
| [18:09:45] | mzb_d800: | datadevil: you mean while watching LiveTV? Maybe you've only got one tuner and it's already busy? |
| [18:09:52] | GreyFoxx: | sales smoke and mirrors :) |
| [18:10:11] | GreyFoxx: | but I DO hear a audio difference with the $400 cable versus the $200 one!!!! |
| [18:10:16] | GreyFoxx: | it cost more, it must be better :) |
| [18:10:24] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [18:10:44] | mzb_d800: | I maintain that the ones you make sound better ;P |
| [18:11:26] | datadevil: | mzb_d800: got one tuner indeed; how would it be busy? I am watching on the laptop (as a client), that shows a channel's output, so I guess its not busy, or..? |
| [18:12:15] | mzb_d800: | answered your own question? or not explained the problem? |
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| [18:15:39] | datadevil: | mzb_d800: well, not quite clear to me. If i'm watching a channel on the laptop, and want to change the channel using the mythtvfrontend on that same laptop, then being busy should not be the problem? |
| [18:17:27] | mzb_d800: | afaik it depends on the ability of the tuner, the version of mythtv you're running, whether the station you want to watch is on the same transport as that being recorded, .... |
| [18:17:27] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: there can be considerable difference from one upscaler to the next |
| [18:17:40] | Dagmar: | Yes, some of them can be absolute shit. |
| [18:17:42] | datadevil: | mzb_d800: not recording anything afaik |
| [18:17:47] | mzb_d800: | but then, I'm .au so my story is prob. different |
| [18:17:58] | Dagmar: | None of them are going to be able to readd detail that wasn't there in the first place. |
| [18:18:24] | datadevil: | mzb_d800: this is a ivtv, hauppage wintv pvr150 |
| [18:18:29] | mzb_d800: | either way 4:17a here ... time to crash ... sorry datadevil try someone who's still awake :) |
| [18:18:31] | wagnerrp: | the purevideo ones look pretty damn good, where if i move the video player onto an output on a secondary card, it shifts to a software renderer and looks considerably crappier |
| [18:18:44] | mzb_d800: | gnite all |
| [18:18:50] | wagnerrp: | but yeah, it can only interpolate on data already there |
| [18:21:12] | justinh: | that only counts for windows use, purevideo ;) |
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| [18:21:53] | wagnerrp: | right, so does the VMR9 render mode im using... :P |
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| [18:23:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the render mode allows for hardware acceleration on the video card the video was started on |
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| [18:23:58] | wagnerrp: | but when you move the window onto another card, the acceleration goes away |
| [18:24:11] | wagnerrp: | along with some sub-pixel AA that purevideo seems to be doing |
| [18:24:28] | wagnerrp: | the video gets all jaggy |
| [18:24:52] | justinh: | video generally looks like shit on computers |
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| [18:24:59] | justinh: | universal truth :) |
| [18:25:27] | wagnerrp: | yeah, color space issues... |
| [18:25:50] | justinh: | that & the lack of availablility of decent sw scaling |
| [18:26:13] | justinh: | lanczos is allegedly the best your CPU can buy |
| [18:26:28] | justinh: | and it's pretty good according to the stills I've seen |
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| [18:27:19] | justinh: | there was some work done on sw scaling in the -vid branch of mythtv IIRC. lanczos is mentioned there |
| [18:27:25] | wagnerrp: | well thats why i said the hardware accelerated part looked a damn bit better than the software rendered part |
| [18:27:28] | justinh: | dunno if it ever worked |
| [18:27:37] | justinh: | it would do |
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| [18:27:52] | justinh: | depends what the player you're using does |
| [18:28:05] | justinh: | some players scale better than others just like in the hardware world |
| [18:28:37] | wagnerrp: | ffdshow has a range of scalers to play around with, ill see what difference they make |
| [18:29:05] | justinh: | I think ffdshow can do aforementioned lanczos |
| [18:29:15] | justinh: | it might be lanzcos.. never sure ;) |
| [18:29:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i remember seeing it in there |
| [18:29:39] | justinh: | it's the creme de la creme allegedly |
| [18:40:00] | datadevil: | anyone else know why I dont seem to be able to change channels |
| [18:40:12] | justinh: | using a digital tuner? |
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| [18:40:33] | justinh: | is there another recording already taking place? |
| [18:40:46] | wagnerrp: | well its definitely better than what the player (zoomplayer) is doing internally, but hardware still beats the both |
| [18:40:52] | Dagmar: | Heavy metals in the drinking water? |
| [18:41:12] | justinh: | maybe your frontend was running before & crashed – therefore something is already recording |
| [18:41:32] | wagnerrp: | plus, with ffdshow, you have to define the final size statically in the configuration window, theres no dynamic resizing |
| [18:41:45] | justinh: | no answers, so I don't care either |
| [18:43:41] | datadevil: | justinh: sorry, yeah, digital |
| [18:43:50] | datadevil: | and no it is not recording |
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| [18:44:23] | justinh: | well, no idea here/ I don't use livetv anyway other than for testing tuners & doing dev work on the OSD themes :P |
| [18:45:59] | hume: | hi.. I am watching a film on myth, not live TV but an avifilm, using internal player – but the subtitles are badly synced. is there a way to adjust this? |
| [18:46:04] | justinh: | hucking fell.. are recording priorities more important when they're positive or negative... what kind of logic operates in the mind of some people?! |
| [18:46:28] | justinh: | hume: nope. go shoot the guy who made the subs for the movie you downloaded |
| [18:46:31] | wagnerrp: | are the subtitles working properly in another player? |
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| [18:46:51] | hume: | wagnerrp, other players do not seem to work well on this display...:( |
| [18:47:46] | wagnerrp: | what is this special display of yours? |
| [18:47:49] | datadevil: | justinh: thanks anyway |
| [18:48:14] | hume: | wagnerrp, a 42 inch plasma TV.... |
| [18:49:44] | wagnerrp: | and mplayer doesnt work? |
| [18:49:52] | justinh: | s/display/X server |
| [18:50:28] | hume: | wagnerrp, welll... i can play with mplayer or kaffeine, but full screen does not work – either jumpy or not working at all... but let me try today again |
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| [18:52:37] | hume: | nope, mpalyer cannot open/initialize vo=xv, and the others wont work |
| [18:53:59] | justinh: | no xv eh? broken video driver |
| [18:54:29] | hume: | justinh, yeah? does that make sense to you? been struggling with it for some time but never understood nore solved it |
| [18:54:43] | hume: | anyway.... it seems the sync is as bad in kaffeine as in myth |
| [18:56:53] | hume: | in vlc, there are some options for adjusting the sync – nothing like that in myth? |
| [18:58:51] | directhex: | you have no working video driver |
| [18:58:54] | directhex: | one problem at a time |
| [18:59:03] | directhex: | chances are you're using something like "vesa" |
| [19:00:42] | hume: | ok.... status: no working driver in mplayer, but working with internal in myth |
| [19:01:00] | directhex: | myth is using Xv? you're sure? |
| [19:01:09] | directhex: | what does "xvinfo" in a console say? |
| [19:01:48] | hume: | directhex, i have no idea what myth uses – i have set it to use "internal" instead of "mplayer" for videos |
| [19:02:46] | hume: | directhex, xvinfo gives: screen #0 no adapters present |
| [19:03:08] | directhex: | hume, you have no functional video driver. you think perhaps no video driver & video playback being out of sync might be... related? |
| [19:04:49] | hume: | directhex, might be, sounds reasonable, but it normally works... sync problem today is with subtitle, not sound – but let's stick with driver – what can I do? |
| [19:05:30] | directhex: | hume, it might help if you knew what graphics card you had, so you could ensure you were using the appropriate driver (set in /etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
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| [19:05:52] | hume: | ok, hang on |
| [19:06:08] | stevieman: | has anyone used mythtv with an nfusion fta sat receiver? |
| [19:07:24] | hume: | directhex, driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: fglrx, graphics card: ATI Radeon HD 3200 |
| [19:08:16] | justinh: | stevieman: running a mysql server & X on a box with how little ram? ;) |
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| [19:08:33] | directhex: | sigh, radeons |
| [19:08:46] | hume: | directhex, :) |
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| [19:09:07] | justinh: | radeons.. I thought they were some kind of deadly ray of some kind :P |
| [19:09:21] | kormoc: | they're a deadly ray for hope of working video with myth |
| [19:09:39] | directhex: | gbee likes them |
| [19:09:43] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeeee, breaking OpenDirectory is fun |
| [19:09:43] | directhex: | nobody else does, but gbee does |
| [19:09:46] | hume: | is it that bad...? |
| [19:09:58] | directhex: | iamlindoro, opendirectory as in osx's broken openldap/kerberos setup? |
| [19:10:20] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: hahah, how did you guess? (did I mention it yesterday?) |
| [19:10:28] | stevieman: | justinh: sorry? |
| [19:10:34] | directhex: | hume, they're... fragile. it's only very recently that ati removed the "officially doesn't work with mythtv" note from their website, and my own experiences are less than hot |
| [19:10:40] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, i have a small mac cluster |
| [19:10:49] | justinh: | stevieman: mythtv needs a mysql server somewhere on the network – oh and it needs Xorg |
| [19:10:57] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: ah--- yes, you pinpointed *exactly* the POS I'm dealing with |
| [19:11:12] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: like kerberos being running and Mac os thinking it's not, and, just now, losing the whole LDAP directory |
| [19:11:18] | stevieman: | justinh: oh for sure, I meant in conjustion with not on the sat receiver |
| [19:11:24] | stevieman: | conjunction |
| [19:11:25] | directhex: | yes, that happens |
| [19:11:26] | justinh: | linux STBs tend to have way less ram than is condusive to a pleasant mythtv experience :) |
| [19:11:57] | justinh: | stevieman: or do you mean using the STB as a video input? |
| [19:12:18] | stevieman: | justinh: yah |
| [19:12:25] | hume: | anything I can do about it, more specifically about the subtitle being out of sync, before I go out tomorrow and buy a nvidia card? |
| [19:12:39] | stevieman: | justinh: Just looking for advice and pitfalls to avoid |
| [19:12:57] | justinh: | stevieman: see the wiki entries about IPTV – the mythtv wiki – no idea if your STB supports that kind of streaming though |
| [19:13:04] | directhex: | hume, which type of subtitle is it? DVB, DVB, teletext, MKV, etc etc etc |
| [19:13:13] | justinh: | might be altogether easier just to get a DVB-S card |
| [19:13:22] | hume: | srt |
| [19:13:27] | justinh: | unless your own definition of 'FTA' means 'rip off pay tv' |
| [19:13:28] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: anything I can do to *stop* it happening? |
| [19:13:36] | stevieman: | justinh: Nope no IPTV well non thats usable. and DVB-S was a nightmare |
| [19:13:37] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, www.ubuntu.com |
| [19:13:41] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [19:13:47] | iamlindoro_: | little late for that tip |
| [19:13:56] | stevieman: | justinh: NASA etc f as in Free |
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| [19:21:08] | hume: | directhex, does srt make any sense, as subtitle? |
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| [19:23:51] | directhex: | yes |
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| [19:24:20] | directhex: | the timing for SRT is etched into the file. does the file play "correctly" in other players without manual correcting? |
| [19:24:26] | hume: | nope |
| [19:24:33] | hume: | not correctly in any player |
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| [19:27:51] | directhex: | doesn't seem to be in the keybindings list |
| [19:27:55] | directhex: | perhaps someone else knows better |
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| [19:30:31] | GlemSom: | I'm a bit confused about that "xvmc" stuff.. In my xorg logfile I see: (II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation... But I have a 8800GT card – which to my knowledge does not support xvmc under Linux.... "mplayer -vo xv" also works fine – using let CPU power compared to X11... So, am I using xvmc or not? |
| [19:31:04] | wagnerrp: | pretty much anything 6-series or better (i think actually 5-series) should support XVMC |
| [19:31:23] | wagnerrp: | of course with an 8800gt, i assume you have a fairly beefy processor |
| [19:31:42] | wagnerrp: | xvmc only aids with mpeg2 decoding, which you should have no problem with as it is |
| [19:33:01] | clever: | xv != xvmc |
| [19:33:31] | clever: | xv is used to display any video to the screen |
| [19:33:40] | clever: | xvmc is used to decode it in the card |
| [19:33:42] | directhex: | xv is like overlay in windows |
| [19:33:47] | clever: | yeah |
| [19:33:52] | directhex: | xvmc is "accelerated" playback |
| [19:34:22] | clever: | last time i got xvmc working i lost the colors in my OSD and didnt realy lower my cpu usage any |
| [19:34:35] | clever: | and half my stuff is mpeg4 now because of mythtranscode |
| [19:35:10] | clever: | so i dont even bother using it |
| [19:35:20] | GlemSom: | Well, I use a PVR-500 card – so I have a lot of mpeg2 recording... And I like to keep the accessible under "recording" -so I do not transcode them |
| [19:35:39] | wagnerrp: | xvmc is really only worthwhile for HD video on a relatively lightweight processor |
| [19:35:46] | clever: | mythtranscode leaves them in the system as recordings |
| [19:36:06] | wagnerrp: | chances are anything that cant decode SD mpeg2 doesnt have a new enough video card for xvmc anyway |
| [19:36:07] | GlemSom: | clever, Really... it does? I thought it moved them to "movies" ? |
| [19:36:24] | kormoc: | GlemSom, depends on how you set it up, you can have it keep them as recordings |
| [19:36:26] | clever: | GlemSom: thats probly a script using ffmpeg and h264 or divx |
| [19:36:26] | wagnerrp: | GlemSom: what is 'movies'? |
| [19:36:30] | wagnerrp: | you mean mythvideo? |
| [19:36:41] | GlemSom: | Oh yeah – mythvideo |
| [19:36:59] | clever: | bbl |
| [19:37:30] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is a plugin, while transcode is part of the main install |
| [19:37:40] | wagnerrp: | not much point in making a main function rely on a plugin |
| [19:38:29] | GlemSom: | I was thinking of getting a new mythtc-box... And was thinking of getting a 7xxx nvidia card... But guess I shouldn't bother doing that then? |
| [19:39:11] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [19:39:37] | GlemSom: | Sinve it will not help much using a 7xxx card instead of an 8xxx card... |
| [19:39:47] | GlemSom: | (Like if I would like to use the PC for gaming aswell) |
| [19:40:03] | wagnerrp: | the 7xxx cards are older than the 8xxx cards |
| [19:40:17] | dustybin: | for some odd reason my mythweb mythweather icon will not show |
| [19:40:28] | dustybin: | i tried make uninstall && make distclean |
| [19:40:29] | dustybin: | make |
| [19:40:35] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:40:39] | kormoc: | how would that help mythweb? |
| [19:40:43] | dustybin: | make install |
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| [19:41:05] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, yeah – but 7xxx has xvmc... (which I maybe don't even need... if I got something like an core duo at about 2,5ghz?) |
| [19:41:06] | wagnerrp: | check your apache logs to figure out why mythweb cannot access the images |
| [19:41:06] | dustybin: | i thought the plugin would activate the icon in mythweb |
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| [19:41:28] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: all the other plugin icons work, mythmusic and mythvideo |
| [19:41:30] | wagnerrp: | GlemSom: the 8xxx should have xvmc as well, but as you say, on that processor, its not needed |
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| [19:41:48] | kormoc: | dustybin, it requires mythweather to be setup by a frontend before it will appear |
| [19:42:02] | dustybin: | oh yes of course |
| [19:42:04] | dustybin: | doh |
| [19:42:05] | dustybin: | thanks |
| [19:42:06] | GlemSom: | And I guess there's no such thing as "PureVideo" in Linux aswell? |
| [19:42:21] | ** dustybin slaps himself ** | |
| [19:42:36] | wagnerrp: | xvmc is one small part of purevideo |
| [19:42:43] | EnderTheThird: | Anyone have occasional trouble with Myth taking 30+ seconds to respond to commands (keyboard and IR)? |
| [19:42:44] | kormoc: | GlemSom, XvMC is the best we have currently, but there's rumors of a XvMC v2, but it's not really likely anytime soon |
| [19:42:51] | wagnerrp: | but no, nearly all of purevideo is not available in linux |
| [19:43:02] | dustybin: | when will the google summer of code end? |
| [19:43:13] | kormoc: | dustybin, google.com |
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| [19:43:59] | GlemSom: | Ok, guess I'll just find some nvidia card with HDMI output, with audio... and then settle with that :) |
| [19:44:23] | dustybin: | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3Nw |
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| [19:55:31] | dustybin: | mmm yummy |
| [19:55:32] | dustybin: | http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/HTPC_Shop.html |
| [19:56:24] | iamlindoro_: | CATS AND MYTHTV? |
| [19:56:34] | iamlindoro_: | -users has officially jumped the fucking shark |
| [19:56:48] | laga: | cats? |
| [19:56:49] | laga: | ah |
| [19:57:03] | wagnerrp: | cats need to record their stories too |
| [19:57:22] | iamlindoro_: | Perfect solution? Get a dog, you fucking pussies. |
| [19:57:30] | ** dustybin plays with his input device ** | |
| [19:57:34] | iamlindoro_: | I bet you do |
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| [19:57:47] | wagnerrp: | you sound like my dad |
| [19:58:20] | wagnerrp: | he has a deep seated hatred for house cats |
| [19:58:25] | iamlindoro_: | I'm more irritated that everyone actually took the question and ran with it |
| [19:58:27] | laga: | another reason not to sign up for -users |
| [19:58:33] | iamlindoro_: | with actual suggestions on keeping the cat off the box |
| [19:58:42] | iamlindoro_: | What's next, shaving tips? |
| [19:59:13] | wagnerrp: | mythwipe: for your bathroom computer, reminding you to wipe your ass |
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| [20:00:08] | adicarlo: | MythCoffee |
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| [20:01:01] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, just reminds? Doesn't do it for me? |
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| [20:11:01] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: well you cant believe a software program would cause a computer to spontaneously grow arms |
| [20:13:51] | Anduin: | The guilt you may feel unsubscribing from the user list is survivable |
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| [20:14:49] | wagnerrp: | dear god... one guy set up an electric fence on his hamster cage? |
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| [20:16:50] | iamlindoro_: | I can't unsubscribe, I feel like I sphery needs a witness when people obstinately refuse to hear the truth |
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| [20:27:19] | Dagmar: | They can't handle the truth. |
| [20:28:25] | iamlindoro_: | and how |
| [20:31:38] | sphery: | laga: Nice work on the patches. I'd test for you, but don't use XMLTV. |
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| [20:32:05] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: thanks. I may need you to testify for me some day. |
| [20:32:25] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: ;) |
| [20:32:27] | sphery: | (unless I finally unsubscribe from the -users list) |
| [20:32:47] | iamlindoro_: | "He couldn't help himself, your honor. They had just pushed him too far." |
| [20:32:57] | iamlindoro_: | That Yeechang Lee is a little bitch |
| [20:32:59] | sphery: | perfect! |
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| [20:33:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Well, you can't blame the guy. After all, he's never wrong, no matter how wrong he is. |
| [20:34:17] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Especially <Somelink) after <somelink> he <somelink> told <somelink> you <somelink> the <somelink> last <somelink> time! <Somelink> |
| [20:34:26] | laga: | sphery: it's better for your sanity anyways. :) |
| [20:35:55] | sphery: | Yeah, but we all have to make sacrifices for FOSS. I figured sacrificing my sanity was my call. |
| [20:36:03] | sphery: | calling |
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| [20:40:07] | AndyCap: | Catnarok is nigh. |
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| [20:41:50] | mrxmike: | can i use myth without xml source data? |
| [20:41:56] | mrxmike: | its damn hard to get it.. here in holland |
| [20:42:10] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.tvxb.com/ |
| [20:42:20] | iamlindoro_: | There's XMLTV data for .ne there |
| [20:42:34] | iamlindoro_: | there are also two other script for XMLTV for your country |
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| [20:42:57] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.cask-of-amontillado.com/files/TVGids_to_xml.zip |
| [20:43:01] | kormoc: | mrxmike, so what's wrong with the xmltv grabbers? |
| [20:43:08] | iamlindoro_: | and, tv_grab_ne |
| [20:43:15] | AndyCap: | nl you mean? |
| [20:43:21] | iamlindoro_: | er nl |
| [20:43:29] | iamlindoro_: | fingers faster than brain |
| [20:44:30] | mrxmike: | i tried 'tv_grab_nl_C' and the .py python one |
| [20:44:48] | mrxmike: | the python one takes like 5hours to grab the data, just tried the C version.. |
| [20:44:49] | iamlindoro_: | So the issue isn't that it's not there... it's that you can't make it work |
| [20:44:57] | AndyCap: | heh, ne is niger, wonder if xmltv grabbers is available. |
| [20:45:04] | mrxmike: | and that cant find its own damn config file after i let it create one |
| [20:45:19] | mrxmike: | niger? |
| [20:45:26] | mrxmike: | nigeria |
| [20:45:27] | mrxmike: | ahhh k |
| [20:45:34] | iamlindoro_: | AndyCap: Only if you have a spot in your burnt out hovel to plug a TV in |
| [20:46:00] | kormoc: | mrxmike, well, it really isn't ment to be used without data, it's limited to recording in 30 minute increments for live-tv and all that jazz |
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| [20:46:34] | mrxmike: | cry cry :() |
| [20:46:37] | AndyCap: | according to the cia they have 5 broadcast tv stations https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the- . . . geos/ng.html |
| [20:46:47] | mrxmike: | any dutch here that can help me with tv_grab_XML ? |
| [20:46:55] | AndyCap: | mrxmike: EIT guide data from dvb is a possibility? |
| [20:47:04] | mrxmike: | got no DVB |
| [20:47:12] | mrxmike: | wish i had........... |
| [20:47:40] | AndyCap: | mrxmike: put up a dish and suck down BBC from 28.2 degrees east. :9 |
| [20:48:37] | mrxmike: | :p |
| [20:48:42] | mrxmike: | ONLY BBC? :p |
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| [20:51:11] | Joe_CoT: | Feel free to tell me to go away, but has anyone seen a way to get unecrypted hd out of FiOS for non-ota channels? I see there are mods like R5000-HD for cable, but I don't see anything for FiOS |
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| [20:51:30] | iamlindoro_: | No. You cannot get the encrypted channels out. |
| [20:52:38] | iamlindoro_: | well, not digitally, anyway. |
| [20:53:05] | iamlindoro_: | One the Hauppauge HD-PVR support is in a released version of myth TV and has matured a bit, it will be a great solution (capture HD from component outs) |
| [20:53:07] | iamlindoro_: | er Once |
| [20:53:33] | Joe_CoT: | I'm fine with not getting a digital stream, but I do want an HD one. isn't component limited to 1080i? Though I guess that wouldn't matter much |
| [20:53:46] | iamlindoro_: | You can do 1080p out of component |
| [20:53:55] | iamlindoro_: | but as TV maxes out at 1080i it's sorta irrelevant |
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| [20:54:22] | jduggan_: | are people working on the hd-pvr in myth? |
| [20:54:25] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [20:54:51] | Joe_CoT: | oh wow, that's awesome. Yeah, that would be A OK with me |
| [20:55:44] | jduggan_: | hd isnt the be all and end all anyway, my sister has HD via satelite and it doesnt really bother me that i dont have it i dont feel like im missing out |
| [20:56:00] | Joe_CoT: | ok, so I won't worry about paying DVD Jon to crack qam / hdcp / 5c to record hd. |
| [20:56:09] | jduggan_: | dont get me wrong, if the option is there i'll take it, but im not investing in it |
| [20:57:36] | dustybin: | the face of a hacker |
| [20:57:37] | dustybin: | //p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/freegary/images/Gary_McKinnon_1809w_1941h.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/fr . . . 9w_1941h.jpg |
| [20:57:40] | AndyCap: | This is so pointed in the wrong direction. :-) http://www.ses-astra.com/medialib/content/Foo . . . _north_M.jpg |
| [20:57:40] | dustybin: | cracker |
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| [21:03:23] | Joe_CoT: | OK, Thanks jduggan_ . My mother and I were considering adding FiOS TV to our house and dropping the cable, but I wanted to make sure I wouldn't be indefinately unable to use MythTV after that |
| [21:03:41] | Joe_CoT: | Hi SHADOW__X , you live in my old dorm. I used to live in room 424. |
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| [22:07:37] | fbnts: | hi, i'm trying to get a new frontend to play DVDs. I keep getting the following error in the log: Error reading block from DVD: Error reading from DVD. |
| [22:07:53] | fbnts: | however if I run mplayer dvd:// from the terminal it plays the DVD? |
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| [22:11:05] | Knopit: | My remote backend is on 24/7, I thought I might use it as a print server as well. Good idea or bad? |
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| [22:13:59] | iamlindoro_: | Considering the miniscule resources required to be a print server, doesn't really matter |
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| [22:15:12] | dustybin: | "now ladies and gentlement, we now have a working mythtv *mooaahahahamooaaahahaha* " – Dr Evil |
| [22:15:38] | iamlindoro_: | Except Doctor Evil went outside once in a while |
| [22:15:42] | Knopit: | iamlindoro_ |
| [22:15:46] | Knopit: | oops |
| [22:16:14] | Knopit: | iamlindoro_ That was my thinking as well. |
| [22:17:47] | Knopit: | iamlindoro_ now if I can work my way through a cups install and config without screwing up the backend. |
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| [22:19:33] | fbnts: | does anyone recognise the error: Error reading block from DVD: Error reading from DVD.? I have seem similar but they relate to not having libdvdcss |
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| [22:25:05] | Dagmar: | fbnts: It's called "The DVD maker doesn't want you reading the DVD with your hippie OS that didn't pay them any licencing royalties" |
| [22:25:44] | fbnts: | ah os this the ArcOSS again? |
| [22:25:59] | fbnts: | how come it plays under mplayer but not mythtv/xine? |
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| [22:29:48] | Dagmar: | No idea. |
| [22:29:58] | Dagmar: | ...nor does it change things much. |
| [22:38:56] | dustybin: | even though justinh isnt chatting here right now, do you think hes still thinking about mythtv ? |
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| [22:41:50] | Floppy76: | evening – my mythtv user has no sound devices – aplay -l returns "no soundcards found". Sound works OK as root though. Any ideas? |
| [22:42:03] | Floppy76: | fedora 9, btw |
| [22:42:24] | dustybin: | Floppy76: make sure you run the alsa soundcard detect script |
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| [22:43:04] | Floppy76: | dustybin: ok – works fine as root though – aplay -l, mplayer, etc etc all work perfectly. What is the script? |
| [22:43:50] | dustybin: | it comes with it |
| [22:43:56] | dustybin: | alsasetup or something |
| [22:44:03] | dustybin: | alsadetect |
| [22:44:23] | dustybin: | alsaconf <--- thats the one |
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| [22:45:15] | Floppy76: | ah, yes, alsaconf – apparently Fedora dumped it a while ago |
| [22:45:23] | Floppy76: | annoyingly |
| [22:45:28] | Floppy76: | will try to build it from somewhere |
| [22:47:57] | Floppy76: | I am really learning to hate fedora 9 |
| [22:48:15] | justinh: | some people hate it without ever having used it ;) |
| [22:49:08] | Floppy76: | it's almost time to take off and nuke it from orbit |
| [22:49:21] | Floppy76: | replacing with mythbuntu – this has been the worst upgrade ever |
| [22:49:35] | Floppy76: | 6 days without Myth now :( |
| [22:50:18] | Floppy76: | can someone tell me what ls -l /dev/dsp looks like on their machine? |
| [22:55:27] | Dagmar: | A big mistake. |
| [22:56:19] | directhex: | a relic of OSS |
| [22:56:52] | Floppy76: | hm |
| [22:57:21] | Floppy76: | any guesses why "aplay -l" might be blank as myth user? |
| [22:57:49] | dustybin: | Floppy76: add mythtv user to the audio group |
| [22:57:56] | justinh: | myth not a member of the 'audio' group perhaps? |
| [22:57:56] | Floppy76: | dustybin: done |
| [22:58:09] | dustybin: | Floppy76: once its added to the group you will need to restart |
| [22:58:11] | Floppy76: | but I had to create the audio group, it didn't exist |
| [22:58:15] | Floppy76: | have done twice :) |
| [22:58:23] | directhex: | ls -l /dev/snd/ |
| [22:58:24] | directhex: | i think |
| [22:58:55] | dustybin: | fedora is a bit like ubuntu, cutting edge and buggy |
| [22:58:56] | Floppy76: | ls -l /dev/snd: http://pastie.org/270875 |
| [22:59:33] | directhex: | dustybin, ubuntu is a fairly conservative distro |
| [22:59:54] | directhex: | dustybin, fedora however isn't just bleeding edge, it's gushing edge, in a "kill bill" kinid of way |
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| [23:00:03] | dustybin: | aye indeed |
| [23:00:11] | directhex: | Floppy76, you can read, yes? you see the problem with those permissions? |
| [23:00:14] | dustybin: | debian lenny is rock solid |
| [23:00:15] | Floppy76: | directhex: interesting, it does make me want to run people through with swords |
| [23:00:27] | Floppy76: | directhex: yes, same as /dev/dsp was |
| [23:00:43] | Floppy76: | no clue how to change them in udev though, nothing seems to affect them |
| [23:00:45] | directhex: | dustybin, lenny certainly isn't stable yet, and in places is more cutting edge than ubuntu |
| [23:01:02] | Floppy76: | I do see the problem though, hence asking about permissions earlier (albeit with a different device for simplicity) |
| [23:01:32] | dustybin: | directhex: aye |
| [23:02:01] | dustybin: | but debian lenny is frozen, so once all the bugs have been sorted out, it gets released |
| [23:02:28] | directhex: | Floppy76, well, a different device which in many cases may not exist on systems built since 2005 or so |
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| [23:03:00] | hednod: | looks like there are no free channel listing anymore? |
| [23:03:10] | Floppy76: | ok, fair enough – I think 2004 was the last time I had to twiddle sound on this machine ;) |
| [23:04:27] | justinh: | hednod: none in the US or Canada, correctomundo |
| [23:04:44] | hednod: | thats too bad |
| [23:05:11] | hednod: | but one problem at a time. seems if i try to watch tv now it just flickers and goes back to the main menu. |
| [23:05:19] | hednod: | i have a hdhomerun |
| [23:05:24] | GreyFoxx: | $20 a year is close enough to free for me heh |
| [23:05:41] | hednod: | followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HDHomeRun |
| [23:05:49] | Floppy76: | hednod: what does mythfrontend log say? |
| [23:05:51] | justinh: | hednod: that can be due to several causes. pop the backend log into a pastebin & let's have a look |
| [23:05:52] | hednod: | i scanned channels and quite a few showed up |
| [23:07:55] | hednod: | ok n/m |
| [23:08:01] | hednod: | restart of mythbackend did the trick |
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| [23:41:02] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch... shows are all starting back up at the same time |
| [23:41:07] | wagnerrp: | i need another digital tuner |
| [23:41:14] | iamlindoro___: | Need MOAR TUNRZ |
| [23:42:01] | Floppy76: | hurrah, sound problems sorted, was a groups/permissions issue in the end – thanks all |
| [23:43:16] | Floppy76: | now just one problem left – after watching recordings, screen gets corrupted into square blocks, also on OSD |
| [23:43:30] | Floppy76: | program guide, rather |
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| [23:45:57] | Floppy76: | if I exit and restart frontend it sorts itself out |
| [23:46:14] | Floppy76: | interestingly, on the exit confirmation screen, the background and buttons are scramled, but the text looks fine |
| [23:48:49] | iamlindoro___: | If you are using the OpenGL painter, don't do that |
| [23:48:58] | iamlindoro___: | menu painter, that is |
| [23:49:08] | Floppy76: | where is the option for that? |
| [23:49:15] | iamlindoro___: | In Appearance |
| [23:49:18] | Floppy76: | am exploring settings now |
| [23:49:40] | Floppy76: | hm, using Qt apparently |
| [23:49:41] | iamlindoro___: | Ah, the folly of the new Myth user, clicking and checking and pulling down willy-nilly |
| [23:50:01] | iamlindoro___: | It's all fun and games until someone loses a hard drive |
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| [23:50:27] | Floppy76: | far from new, been using myth since 0.19, this is the first time I've had these problems though |
| [23:50:35] | iamlindoro___: | .19 is new ;) |
| [23:50:40] | Floppy76: | lol ok |
| [23:50:48] | Floppy76: | hm, opengl – worse |
| [23:51:19] | iamlindoro___: | The other possibility is you are using a GPU that rhymes with "Ray Chi Eye" |
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| [23:51:51] | Floppy76: | just changing video driver to try again |
| [23:51:59] | Tacroy: | Does anyone have current advice on what PVR to buy? All the compatibility lists I've found for mythtv and ivtv list primarily cards that aren't sold any more. |
| [23:52:01] | Floppy76: | it is an ati, yes |
| [23:52:04] | Floppy76: | using radeon driver |
| [23:52:49] | iamlindoro___: | Tacroy: If you are looking for an analog tuner, and the reference to ivtv suggests you are, then buy an HVR-1600 |
| [23:53:08] | Floppy76: | no change, still corrupted |
| [23:53:09] | iamlindoro___: | Floppy76: The *only* chance you ahve of Myth working acceptably with ATI is fglrx |
| [23:53:26] | Floppy76: | ah joy, support for my card got dropped from fglrx two years ago |
| [23:53:34] | Floppy76: | I am going to bin this machine soon |
| [23:54:17] | Tacroy: | iamlindoro: Hmmm... well, at least I can find that one for sale on NewEgg |
| [23:55:20] | iamlindoro___: | Tacroy: That's because unlike the PVR-xxx series, the HVRs are actually still *made* |
| [23:55:41] | Tacroy: | Yah, unfortunately that seems to be the case with every other card on the ivtv compatibility list |
| [23:56:02] | Tacroy: | Or at least all the ones I checked |
| [23:56:02] | justinh: | bin a whole machine just because the video hardware isn't supported? heh |
| [23:56:02] | wagnerrp: | Floppy76: i thought fglrx supported all versions of radeon, and only ever supported radeons |
| [23:56:12] | justinh: | Tacroy: ivtv isn't the whole picture anymore |
| [23:56:23] | iamlindoro___: | HVR-1600 is ivtv, and works properly with myth (and you get a second, digital tuner on top of it all) |
| [23:56:32] | Floppy76: | I am going to try it again anyway |
| [23:56:37] | Tacroy: | What else is availiable? |
| [23:56:50] | Tacroy: | Also: I'm looking at ivtv because it's what the mythtv howto talks about |
| [23:56:52] | Floppy76: | if I select the card on the ATI site, it gives me a 2 year old driver package |
| [23:57:00] | Floppy76: | anyway – will try and report back |
| [23:57:02] | Floppy76: | thx |
| [23:57:46] | Tacroy: | err hmm, apparently I was looking at the linuxtv.org compatibility list, not the ivtv one |
| [23:58:07] | iamlindoro___: | Tacroy: Myth supports many types of cards-- ivtv is the best choice for analog cards, but there are also digital tuners. If you live somewhere with digital broadcasts that doesn't destroy them with encryption, then those are the best choice. |
| [23:58:20] | iamlindoro___: | linuxtv.org *is* the place to check for card support |
| [23:58:59] | Tacroy: | I should check and see if we're getting analog or digital |
| [23:59:00] | iamlindoro___: | Tacroy: as it appears you live in the US, you can all but give up on digital tuners right now, as all the good channels will be encrypted-- they're great for things like NBC, CBS, ABC, and Fox, though. |
| [23:59:18] | iamlindoro___: | And if you use an antenna, then you want a digital tuner card |
| [23:59:34] | Tacroy: | Well the thing is I've just moved in to grad student housing. |
| [23:59:55] | Tacroy: | Everyone here gets cable by default, and the installation instructions say to just hook it up to a "cable ready" device. |
| [23:59:55] | iamlindoro___: | If it's a campus cab le network you might as well just take a drill to your temple |
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