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| [00:00:09] | chi: | i don't think so |
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| [00:01:27] | ** chi looks where he can add them and set to ignore ** | |
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| [00:04:13] | chi: | i can't do more than 6 columns and 5 rows eh? |
| [00:04:32] | chi: | for the video gallery^ |
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| [00:10:08] | Anduin: | That seems about right |
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| [00:14:46] | Floppy76: | anyone got mythmusic working with spdif out? |
| [00:15:15] | Floppy76: | everything else works, TV, video, mplayer, aplay, everything except mythmusic which complains about not being able to initialise hw params |
| [00:15:32] | Floppy76: | I'm sure I've just got the wrong device selected but I can't work out which one to use |
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| [00:15:47] | Lord_Deathscythe: | hey |
| [00:16:03] | dustybin: | maybe you need to change the alsamixer settings to 'Digital' instead of 'PCM' on the master outputs |
| [00:16:11] | dustybin: | or the other way round |
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| [00:17:52] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I'm unable to get a menu on mythtv, at all |
| [00:18:02] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I just get the blue background color for the retro theme |
| [00:18:11] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I've tried rebuilding opegl and mythtv |
| [00:18:20] | Lord_Deathscythe: | do I need to obliterate my database and try/ |
| [00:19:07] | clever: | mythfrontend --help |
| [00:20:40] | Floppy76: | dustybin: I don't seem to have any settings like that |
| [00:20:47] | clever: | -r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language |
| [00:21:01] | dustybin: | Floppy76: type 'alsamixer' in your terminal |
| [00:21:11] | Floppy76: | yup, done that |
| [00:21:14] | mzb_d800: | ivor & justinh: no real clues about 100% usage during playback of recorded mpeg2 on M10K using 2.6.26–486, however 2.6.18–686 shows similar symptoms but cpu only goes up to 70% (which basically means no audio prebuffering errors) |
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| [00:21:22] | dustybin: | if your using digital outputs, your master outputs should be either PCM or Digital |
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| [00:21:53] | wagnerrp_: | seems its the end of the world tomorrow |
| [00:22:04] | kslater: | nah, don't think so |
| [00:22:05] | Floppy76: | they just say "master", no mention of pcm or digital there – sixth control is PCM though |
| [00:22:43] | clever: | if it doesnt mention pcm, then how is there a pcm? |
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| [00:23:19] | Floppy76: | when he said "master outputs" I was thinking something related to the master slider – if the pcm slider is the relevant one, then yes, ok, it's there |
| [00:23:51] | Floppy76: | but there is no digital setting – besides which, it works everywhere else by default – if it was wrong in ALSA, it wouldn't work at all, would it? |
| [00:26:01] | Lord_Deathscythe: | negative, it's switched to the G.A.N.T theme background but still no menus |
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| [00:26:59] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp_: again? |
| [00:27:15] | clever: | Lord_Deathscythe: check the output for errors |
| [00:27:33] | mzb_d800: | Lord_Deathscythe: msttcorefonts |
| [00:28:30] | Lord_Deathscythe: | corefonts isn't the problem |
| [00:28:40] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I reinstalled that then rebuilt mythtv from the new fonts |
| [00:29:45] | justinh: | mzb_d800: on an old version of minimyth (no idea what kernel but it was xorg 8 or so) cpu usage in mythfrontend was always < 25% even deinterlacing. |
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| [00:30:14] | justinh: | rebuilt mythtv from the new fonts? never heard such claptrap |
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| [00:30:37] | justinh: | pick a theme which doesn't use MS fonts :) |
| [00:30:51] | justinh: | then you'll likely see the problem go away |
| [00:30:55] | mzb_d800: | I'm starting to suspect it's related to running dvb tuner(s) with rabbit-ears ;) |
| [00:31:03] | justinh: | or edit a theme to make the problem go away :) |
| [00:31:12] | mzb_d800: | but that's what end-user wants to do |
| [00:31:23] | mzb_d800: | (despite my best advice) |
| [00:31:46] | justinh: | <font name="foo" face="Arial"> change to <font name="foo" face="Bistream Vera Sans"> or $something |
| [00:31:47] | mzb_d800: | just trying with deinterlace off |
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| [00:32:12] | justinh: | mzb_d800: I doubt it has much to do with signal quality tbh |
| [00:32:35] | mzb_d800: | deinterlace off == promising so far |
| [00:32:39] | Lord_Deathscythe: | the problem justinh is that I can't get to any of the dang settings because the menus aren't coming up at all |
| [00:32:44] | justinh: | mzb_d800: it never had anything to do with the issues I saw here. maybe it's alsa related... never happens without audio |
| [00:33:03] | mzb_d800: | playback is ~= 9% cpu |
| [00:33:03] | justinh: | Lord_Deathscythe: so use our good friend the Override.. mythfrontend -O Theme=$themename |
| [00:33:12] | Lord_Deathscythe: | ok |
| [00:33:27] | Lord_Deathscythe: | which theme in the default amount has no ms cofeconts? |
| [00:33:27] | mzb_d800: | not having problems with audio (except for USB use) |
| [00:33:48] | justinh: | mzb_d800: try also setting timestretch to 1.1x speed :) |
| [00:33:59] | mzb_d800: | for what purpose? |
| [00:34:37] | justinh: | experimentation :) |
| [00:34:54] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [00:35:04] | justinh: | doing that used to solve it for me |
| [00:35:12] | justinh: | but it's rather beside the point |
| [00:35:22] | Floppy76: | ah, got it working by changing "max audio channels" in general settings to stereo, not 5.1 |
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| [00:36:12] | mzb_d800: | with interlace off it seems to do similar things (at a seemingly random point of recording playback) ... except now the "out of control CPU problem" only raises cpu to ~ 17% |
| [00:36:27] | Lord_Deathscythe: | and why do you think corefonts is the problem when I'm not seeing this on another similarl configured frontend |
| [00:36:47] | mzb_d800: | changed themes at any time on the other FE? |
| [00:37:33] | Lord_Deathscythe: | nope |
| [00:37:39] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I use the same theme on both |
| [00:38:12] | mzb_d800: | turning timestretch on+off brings cpu usage back to normal |
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| [00:39:58] | mzb_d800: | I can live with the "stray CPU" issue if end-user doesn't require deinterlace |
| [00:40:15] | justinh: | Lord_Deathscythe: because MS truetype corefonts are needed by mythtv's main (core) themes. they'll be weaned off as soon as suitable alternatives are found |
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| [00:41:03] | Lord_Deathscythe: | so which heme would be an acceptable alternative for a core font theme to test that it is in fact corefonts |
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| [00:41:27] | mzb_d800: | justinh: in Debian there's now Liberation fonts as a replacement (iirc) |
| [00:42:32] | justinh: | hmmmm I dunno. I know my own themes don't use MS fonts.. that's projectgrayhem(and -wide), blootube(and -wide), glass-wide & neon-wide.. and mepo-wide, and gbee's metallurgy theme |
| [00:42:44] | justinh: | jams' themes probably don't use MS fonts either |
| [00:43:17] | reel: | hey: anybody know how i can fix my xorg.conf so my screen stops looking like this: http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/reel/desktop.jpg |
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| [00:44:19] | iamlindoro: | Take that, Xorg |
| [00:44:26] | directhex: | reel, radeon? |
| [00:44:33] | mzb_d800: | reel: pick a mode that suits your screen? |
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| [00:44:33] | reel: | intel gma3100 g33 based |
| [00:44:59] | reel: | i had it working with this exact modeline then i rebooted and it went to this |
| [00:45:51] | jams: | justinh yeah they do, at least if i remember correctly |
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| [00:47:06] | reel: | you don't happen to know if it is representative of a problem with vsync, hsync, or something like that, do you? |
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| [00:51:05] | justinh: | jams: oops, oh well :) can't win em all |
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| [00:55:29] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... I suspect the solution (among others) is to get bob-deinterlace out of the equation |
| [00:55:50] | mzb_d800: | using one-field seems ok |
| [00:55:57] | jams: | when those were created, they were the defacto standard in free fonts |
| [00:57:53] | mzb_d800: | free as in free to download, not free as in free to ... do whatever you want with (??) |
| [00:58:28] | mzb_d800: | which is why they're in non-free for Debian (afaik) |
| [00:58:45] | directhex: | technically not even that |
| [00:59:10] | directhex: | a downloader script is in non-free in debian. the license for them explicitly states they can only be distributed in their original form (winzip self extractors) |
| [00:59:51] | mzb_d800: | urrgggh ... one-field not so hot |
| [01:00:08] | mzb_d800: | (back to the poor mpeg2 theory ++ no deinterlace) |
| [01:02:32] | mzb_d800: | huh? now it's worse .... wtf? |
| [01:03:09] | mzb_d800: | oh ... this is on 2.6.26–486 ... going back to 2.6.18–686 |
| [01:03:17] | Lord_Deathscythe: | fixed, now onto the next thing |
| [01:06:18] | Lord_Deathscythe: | how do I get mythweb, the new one, o streme |
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| [01:16:12] | Gimpy: | Hi all , I need help, i a am having touble getting guide data to populate |
| [01:18:53] | Gimpy: | Anduin, you in here? |
| [01:24:25] | justinh: | that's it, once they get your name |
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| [01:35:02] | Gimpy: | ok, I got guide data to populate had to use mythfilldatabase--refresh-all but now im stuck with can't connect master to backend error,(front and backend are on same box) ip's are loopbacks |
| [01:38:28] | iamlindoro: | justinh, exactly |
| [01:38:42] | iamlindoro: | justinh, it's enough to make a fella turn his own name backwards |
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| [01:43:32] | kirk: | can anybody help me w/ Xbox E image? |
| [01:44:33] | kirk: | xbox e image Mythtv 0.21 cannot connect to master backend |
| [01:44:53] | kirk: | other remote frontends running Ubuntu 8.04 & Mythbuntu 8.04 have no problems and work fine |
| [01:45:36] | kirk: | Xbox cannot connect... I've used Xbox images in the past w/o problem (0.18, 0.19, 0.20) |
| [01:46:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A has yet to setup his Xbox on Myth 0.21... Last setup on 0.20 about a year ago... ** | |
| [01:46:56] | kirk: | my drive got hosed in a recent storm and had to reinstall – but had to upgrade as well and now 0.21 isn't making the wife happy :( |
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| [01:47:34] | kirk: | I've heard rumors about mysql <5 & >5 issues.... |
| [01:47:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: Did you setup your networking right, and your mysql? |
| [01:47:52] | kirk: | both master & slave backend work fine with their respective frontends... |
| [01:48:00] | kirk: | I'm trying to add my xbox now using the e image... |
| [01:48:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | er. mysql.txt – unless it's using UPnP discovery (it might be, haven't checked it) |
| [01:48:12] | kirk: | have done so in the past w/o issue – for whatever reason, 0.21 isn't connecting to DB |
| [01:48:33] | kirk: | is UPnP override "conventional" setup techniques (i.e. -msyql.txt)? |
| [01:49:00] | kirk: | mysql.tst == OK – same as other remote frontends w/o problems |
| [01:49:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: I don't think so — I think that mysql.txt will override UPnP... |
| [01:49:21] | kirk: | DB passwd is good (mythtv) |
| [01:49:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Have you done basic troubleshooting like pinging your backend address, etc? |
| [01:49:35] | kirk: | yes |
| [01:49:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok. |
| [01:49:41] | kirk: | xbox = 192.168.1.104 |
| [01:49:49] | kirk: | MB = 192.168.1.108 |
| [01:50:00] | kirk: | slavebackend 1 =1.9.168.1.109 |
| [01:50:09] | kirk: | remote frontend 1 = slavebackend |
| [01:50:12] | kirk: | = OK |
| [01:50:26] | kirk: | remote backend 2 = 192.168.1.110 == OK |
| [01:50:31] | kirk: | (all ubuntu systems) |
| [01:50:41] | kirk: | but xbox <> OK :( |
| [01:50:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | So you have two backends, a master that's also a frontend, and a slave backend, and another remote frontend? |
| [01:50:49] | kirk: | true |
| [01:50:59] | kirk: | the "other" remote is my xbox |
| [01:51:06] | Anduin: | Gimpy: is it working now? |
| [01:51:07] | kirk: | which worked great from 0.18 -> 0.20 |
| [01:51:11] | kirk: | not w/ 0.21 |
| [01:51:22] | kirk: | e image from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Install_using_E_Images |
| [01:51:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | And you're pointing to the master backend with the other frontend that's working, right? |
| [01:51:32] | kirk: | http://torrents.thepiratebay.org/4112340/xebi . . . .TPB.torrent |
| [01:51:38] | kirk: | yes |
| [01:52:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you try starting the frontend on the xbox from a shell, with something like "mythfrontend -v all" to see if it tells you what it's complaining about? |
| [01:52:40] | kirk: | launching "mythfrontend" on xbox lead me to the "select your preferred language" screen (i.e. -can't connect to DB) |
| [01:52:51] | kirk: | I'll try verbose... |
| [01:53:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: Do you have a keyboard hooked up (most likely, eh?)... try it from a shell... ^ yeah. |
| [01:53:52] | kirk: | yes |
| [01:53:54] | kirk: | xbox:~# mythfrontend -v all |
| [01:53:54] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.434 Using runtime prefix = /usr, libdir = /usr/lib |
| [01:53:54] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.437 UPnp – Constructor |
| [01:53:54] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.438 MediaRenderer::Begin |
| [01:53:54] | kirk: | QServerSocket: failed to bind or listen to the socket |
| [01:53:55] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.450 ThreadPool:AddWorkerThread – HTTP_WorkerThread |
| [01:53:57] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.452 HttpServer( 6547 ) – SharePath = /usr/share/mythtv/ |
| [01:54:01] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.452 MediaRenderer::HttpServer Create Error |
| [01:54:03] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.453 WorkerThread:Run – Exiting: HTTP_WorkerThread |
| [01:54:05] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.481 DPMS is active. |
| [01:54:07] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.533 Empty LocalHostName. |
| [01:54:09] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.533 Using localhost value of xbox |
| [01:54:11] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.534 MCP::DefaultUPnP() – No default UPnP backend |
| [01:54:13] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.534 Testing network connectivity to 192.168.1.108 |
| [01:54:15] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.756 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [01:54:17] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.761 Unable to connect to database! |
| [01:54:19] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.761 Driver error was [1/1251]: |
| [01:54:21] | kirk: | QMYSQL3: Unable to connect |
| [01:54:23] | kirk: | Database error was: |
| [01:54:25] | kirk: | Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
| [01:54:27] | kirk: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [01:54:28] | Gimpy: | need help, can't conect to master backend when using mythtv (both ip's are loopback on same box) |
| [01:54:28] | mzb_d800: | kirk: use a pastebin for large pastes please |
| [01:54:31] | kirk: | QSqlQuery::exec: database not open |
| [01:54:33] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:31.817 DB Error (KickDatabase): |
| [01:54:35] | kirk: | Query was: |
| [01:54:37] | kirk: | SELECT NULL; |
| [01:54:39] | kirk: | No error type from QSqlError? Strange... |
| [01:54:40] | mzb_d800: | kirk: use a pastebin for large pastes please |
| [01:54:41] | kirk: | .................................................. |
| [01:54:43] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:33.887 UPnPautoconf() – No UPnP backends found |
| [01:54:45] | mzb_d800: | kirk: use a pastebin for large pastes please |
| [01:54:45] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:33.887 No UPnP backends found |
| [01:54:47] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:33.920 max_width: 1600 max_height: 1200 |
| [01:54:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | ugh --- you should use pasetbin.... |
| [01:54:49] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:33.921 Total desktop dim: 1600x1200, with 1 screen[s]. |
| [01:54:51] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:33.922 Using screen 0, 1600x1200 at 0,0 |
| [01:54:52] | mzb_d800: | kirk: use a pastebin for large pastes please |
| [01:54:53] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:33.976 Switching to square mode (blue) |
| [01:54:55] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:34.114 Using the Qt painter |
| [01:54:57] | kirk: | mythtv: could not open config file /root/.lircrc |
| [01:55:01] | kirk: | mythtv: No such file or directory |
| [01:55:03] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:34.120 Failed to read lirc config /root/.lircrc for mythtv |
| [01:55:05] | kirk: | 2008-09–09 20:53:34.122 JoystickMenuClient Error: Joystick disabled – Failed to read /root/.mythtv/joystickmenurc |
| [01:55:08] | kirk: | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" miss |
| [01:55:10] | kirk: | sorry – new to IRC |
| [01:55:12] | kirk: | explain pastebin |
| [01:55:14] | kirk: | please |
| [01:55:14] | mzb_d800: | kirk you little grommit!!!! |
| [01:55:16] | kirk: | sorry – please explain pastebin since I'm new :) |
| [01:55:22] | mzb_d800: | justfuckinggoogleit.com |
| [01:56:05] | iamlindoro: | jesus fuck |
| [01:56:19] | iamlindoro: | Remind me to come to your house and piss on your dinner table |
| [01:56:26] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [01:56:35] | mzb_d800: | for starters, it looks like you're running the frontend as root ... surely that's not what you intend |
| [01:56:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | it's in the banner when you connect — just go to http://pastebin.ca (or any basebin site), paste your text, then submit it and past just the link it give you. |
| [01:57:05] | kirk: | thanks (to the helpful people – i.e. JeffA) |
| [01:57:10] | kirk: | :) |
| [01:57:16] | kirk: | I'm NEW – sorry!!! |
| [01:57:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: Well, it does tell you in the banner when you joined the channel... |
| [01:57:56] | kirk: | my bad – won't happen again |
| [01:58:03] | kirk: | sorry for the waste of bandwidth |
| [01:58:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | ps: 1600x1200 on an xbox??? |
| [01:58:18] | mzb_d800: | (ah, my eyes!;) |
| [01:58:33] | kirk: | I'm ssh'd in from another box using 1600x1200 – but same error |
| [01:58:44] | mzb_d800: | everybody does it at least once ;) |
| [01:58:54] | kirk: | thanks mzb :) |
| [01:59:09] | mzb_d800: | kirk: surely the mythfrontend runs as mythtv (user), not root? |
| [01:59:18] | mzb_d800: | ssh -X mythtv@xbox |
| [01:59:24] | wagnerrp_: | i was under the impression that the xbox did not have sufficient memeory to properly run myth |
| [01:59:25] | kirk: | good question – whatever the xbox e image is (live?) |
| [01:59:42] | kirk: | it's worked FINE since at least 0.18 |
| [01:59:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp_: It runs a frontend ok, with a bunch of swapping to disk. |
| [01:59:50] | kirk: | I've run myth back to 0.10 days |
| [01:59:56] | kirk: | true |
| [01:59:59] | kirk: | slow, but tolerable |
| [02:00:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp_: It plays SD perfectly... Due mostly to it's NVidia graphics I'm sure... ;-) |
| [02:00:44] | kirk: | lightning killed my old drive, had to reinstall, couldn't find 0.19 e image |
| [02:00:50] | kirk: | also killed my 0.19 backend |
| [02:00:52] | kirk: | had to upgrade |
| [02:00:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | It's best to use a lightweight theme with it though. |
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| [02:01:03] | kirk: | installed mythbuntu 0.21 working great except xbox |
| [02:01:17] | kirk: | ratpoison light enough? |
| [02:01:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: So, in the example you posted above, you were root. You should try it again as mythtv.. |
| [02:01:47] | Gimpy: | do i need to worry about .mysql_history? theres a select statment in it that doen't look complete? |
| [02:01:57] | kirk: | ok -I'll try pastebin and brb... |
| [02:02:03] | kirk: | sorry for previous output ;) |
| [02:02:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Sounds like that's just a history of your commands you've entered in mysql... |
| [02:03:14] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A, im getting can't connect to master backend , but the ip is a loopback |
| [02:03:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Do you have any remote frontends? |
| [02:03:59] | Gimpy: | no both are on the same box |
| [02:04:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Ok, what did you set for the backend ip in mythtv-setup? If you've got a combined fe/be, it should probably stay at 127.0.0.1 – sounds like you changed it to your 'real' address... |
| [02:06:20] | kirk: | ok – as user mythtv.... pastebin link = http://pastebin.ca/1198792 |
| [02:06:34] | kirk: | same prob :( |
| [02:06:52] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A, local and master backend is 127.0.0.1 port 6453 |
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| [02:08:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: So this is a brand-new setup, right? Did you create the database? |
| [02:08:29] | kirk: | (if you're talking to me Jeff-A) yes |
| [02:08:34] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A, Yes |
| [02:08:42] | kirk: | master & slave backend mysql version = mysql Ver 14.12 Distrib 5.0.51a, for debian-linux-gnu (i486) using readline 5.2 |
| [02:08:43] | kirk: | xbox mysql version = mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, for pc-linux-gnu (i386) |
| [02:09:08] | kirk: | DB is cool – even w/ imported .nuv's from old install |
| [02:09:18] | kirk: | new .nuvs & mpgs work fine as well |
| [02:09:23] | kirk: | it's just the DAMN XBOX!!! :) |
| [02:09:31] | kirk: | no xbox == upset wife |
| [02:09:42] | kirk: | seems to be DB related.... |
| [02:09:46] | kirk: | can mplayer files fine |
| [02:10:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: I'd troubleshoot it from the mysql aspect – maybe the xbox client isn't compatible with the backend's mysql server... |
| [02:10:27] | kirk: | I apt-get update && apt-get install mysql |
| [02:10:35] | kirk: | it updated mysql & mysql-common |
| [02:10:45] | kirk: | but I think I need > 5.0 ? |
| [02:10:59] | kirk: | (i.e. – 5.0.51a to match the mythbuntu versions) |
| [02:11:34] | kirk: | i've heard xbmcscripts had an issue w/ "oldpassword" stufff (format?) |
| [02:11:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: TBQH, I'm not sure. Haven't tried to setup my Xbox on 0.21 yet.... Currently only running a big backend, with the frontend occasionally on it, and 1 'real' frontend, and 1 UPnP player... |
| [02:12:21] | kirk: | a buddy of mine said he hit a snag w/ xbmc & db password "format"... |
| [02:12:38] | kirk: | don't really know what "format" means – but he said incompatible mysql versions.... |
| [02:12:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: see if you can connect to the database from the shell... "mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg" |
| [02:13:01] | kirk: | from backend or xbox? |
| [02:13:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: If somebody prefixes some text with a name in IRC, they're talking specifically to that person... |
| [02:14:14] | kirk: | sorry Jeff-A |
| [02:14:25] | kirk: | I do appreciate your help |
| [02:16:28] | fiyawerx: | Would I be better off splitting my partitions for audio and video storage? I was planning on using xfs for video, not sure about mp3 storage tho |
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| [02:17:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: I think this will work — try connecting to your mysql database on the backend with the following command on your xbox: mysql -h 192.168.1.108 -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [02:17:54] | kirk: | <J-e-f-f-A>: ERROR 1251: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client |
| [02:18:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: There ya go... |
| [02:18:15] | mzb_d800: | kirk: iirc, the comment about passwords between mysql4 and mysql5 are correct, but I think there's a compatibility mode to overcome that problem |
| [02:18:20] | kirk: | <J-e-f-f-A>: new repo then? |
| [02:18:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: see mzb_d800's note — probably need to do a little googling... |
| [02:19:02] | mzb_d800: | might not help ... the version you're using is probably built against the mysql4 libs |
| [02:19:16] | mzb_d800: | ^^ re: "new repos" |
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| [02:19:58] | kirk: | J-e-f-f-A & mzb: sources.list = http://pastebin.ca/1198801 |
| [02:20:18] | mzb_d800: | kirk: read my last 2 lines |
| [02:20:38] | kirk: | J-e-f-f-A & mzb: xbox 0.21 E image from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Xbox_Install_using_E_Images not up to date? |
| [02:20:51] | mzb_d800: | wouldn't have a clue |
| [02:21:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: I couldn't honestly advise you which repos to use.... I've been using source for the last year and a half... ;-) |
| [02:21:20] | kirk: | all: does ANYBODY have 0.21 on xbox working? |
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| [02:22:06] | pembo13: | how do I specify a tv card for viewing on the frontend? |
| [02:22:11] | pembo13: | i need to test my secondary tv card |
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| [02:22:31] | mzb_d800: | kirk: doesn't really look like an "official" mythtv release |
| [02:22:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | kirk: I'm sure they are, but they're probably not in the channel now or they probably would have chimed in by now... |
| [02:22:41] | mzb_d800: | so contact the guy who built them |
| [02:23:05] | kirk: | Jeff & mzb: thank you for your help... perhaps I'm jumping the gun? ;) |
| [02:23:21] | mzb_d800: | -or- not using google enough |
| [02:23:31] | Anduin: | pembo13: You can cycle cards with a key (c or y), also in the OSD menu |
| [02:23:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | pembo13: Quick way is to just press "C" while watching "Live TV" |
| [02:23:40] | kirk: | mzb: thanks for the input, care to provide what I should google for? |
| [02:23:57] | mzb_d800: | re-read my comments about compatibility mode |
| [02:24:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | pembo13: If you have multiple cards, you can select the specific one from the menu "M".... "Change Input" |
| [02:24:59] | pembo13: | J-e-f-f-A: will give that a try |
| [02:25:07] | mzb_d800: | kirk: additional search term: MYSQL40 |
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| [02:26:31] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A, |
| [02:26:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | pembo13: from the menu, it's actually "Switch Input", and will only show you the available tuners, so if you're on 'Tuner 0", it will only show "Tuner 1" (or whatever you named them in mythtv-setup) |
| [02:26:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Welcome back! ;-) |
| [02:27:23] | pembo13: | J-e-f-f-A: the short cut keys didn't seem to work, but the menu did |
| [02:27:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Gee, Robin Williams guest-starred in an episode of Law & Order??? Neat. |
| [02:27:38] | pembo13: | has the pulseaudio patch been encoperated into a release yet? |
| [02:27:48] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A, i stoped mysqlserver, so now when i start mythfrontend i am greated with a blue screen asking for language, server, database login (which i can't remaber) |
| [02:28:03] | kirk: | mzb: google for |
| [02:28:17] | kirk: | all: sorry |
| [02:28:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Well, you need to have mysql server running in order to connect to it... |
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| [02:29:29] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A, i still have that error can't connect to master backend (and im grasping at straws to fix it |
| [02:29:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Ok, did you see my note to try connecting with mysql from the shell? |
| [02:30:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: see if you can connect to the database from the shell: mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg |
| [02:31:54] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A ok in to mysql |
| [02:32:08] | mzb_d800: | kirk: OLD_PASSWORD |
| [02:32:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Ok, so mysql is working — take a peek at the defined tables – type: show tables; |
| [02:32:49] | mzb_d800: | try setting up a user in mysql that is specifically for (from) the xbox, and instead of entering PASSWORD type, use OLD_PASSWORD |
| [02:33:03] | mzb_d800: | (might work) |
| [02:33:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: You probably get a list of tables, and something like "101 rows in set (0.00 sec)" |
| [02:33:38] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A ok see tables |
| [02:34:03] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A, 54 rows in 0.00 sec (if you wanted to know time) |
| [02:34:24] | pembo13: | what exactly is the conclusion of http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3598 ? I have mythtv-frontend-0.21–192.fc9.i386 and get no sound on the frontend |
| [02:34:48] | pembo13: | i wasn't clear from the issue if i need to report this uptream of with the atrpms repo |
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| [02:35:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Ok, so mysql server is working right, and the database seems to be defined. Just your config isn't right somewhere... ;-) (but you already knew that!) |
| [02:35:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: You can exit from mysql: exit; |
| [02:36:03] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A is it mysql: or is that the prompt and i only need to type exit: |
| [02:36:08] | Gimpy: | i mean exit; |
| [02:36:34] | Gimpy: | never mind exititd |
| [02:37:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: see if you've got a mysql.txt file — cd ~mythtv/.mythtv |
| [02:37:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: ls -l mysql.txt |
| [02:38:46] | ananke: | is there an easy way to allow mythtv to initiate suspend function [assuming the underlying system supports it]. i see guides for waking up mythtv, but not for suspending it. does anybody happen to know which direction should i go? |
| [02:39:20] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A, no mysql.txt in ~/mythtv , no /.mythtv either |
| [02:39:53] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A, no mysql.txt in ~/mythtv , no such file or directory with ls-l |
| [02:40:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: — you put a slash in front of the tilde... ~mythtv will put you in mythtv's home dir, then there's a .mythtv directory in there (hidden because of the leading dot) |
| [02:40:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | (er, make that -after- the tilde... oops) |
| [02:42:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gimpy: Are you logged in as mythtv? |
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| [02:47:19] | Gimpy: | no ~/mythtv/ |
| [02:47:19] | Gimpy: | j-e-f-f-A , if your looking for my mythtv directory its in /etc |
| [02:47:19] | Gimpy: | and the only file in /etc/mythtv is .keep_media-tv_mythtv-0 |
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| [02:49:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh well, time for bed anyways.... ;-) |
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| [02:54:42] | sierra: | hey guys, is it possible to run tvtime multipletimes (for use with a tv tuner) and across a network? |
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| [02:56:03] | hads: | sierra: myth can handle multiple tuners in one instance. |
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| [03:01:14] | cesman: | sierra: I'd think you'd find the answer to that in #tvtime |
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| [03:03:02] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A , my wifi died |
| [03:03:17] | sierra: | cesman, I confused names, I wanted to say mythtv |
| [03:03:23] | sierra: | hads, thanks :) |
| [03:03:25] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A , ~mythtv doesn't exist |
| [03:06:08] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A? |
| [03:09:07] | Gimpy: | J-e-f-f-A found mysql.txt in /home/<user>/.mythtv , delete it? |
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| [03:18:02] | Gimpy: | hi all, i need some help mythtv frontend when i try to watch tv or do anyehing i get error can't connect to master backend. it is a FE+BE setup |
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| [03:20:21] | pembo13: | Gimpy: myth drops those mysql files all over a system if you let it |
| [03:20:31] | mzb_d800: | if? |
| [03:20:35] | pembo13: | Gimpy: i put in a few symlinks on my system |
| [03:21:22] | Gimpy: | pembo13, don't you only need symlinks if your using xmltv? |
| [03:21:48] | pembo13: | Gimpy: i haven't noticed such.. but i use the mythtv paid tv listing service |
| [03:21:53] | pembo13: | direct whatever |
| [03:22:13] | Gimpy: | pembo13, im on the trial |
| [03:22:48] | Gimpy: | pembo13, should i rm the mysql.txt in the .mythtv directory? |
| [03:23:21] | hads: | myth doesn't drop mysql.txt files everywhere. |
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| [03:24:32] | Gimpy: | the posts i've been reading say to delete mysql.txt if it exists in mythtv |
| [03:24:38] | pembo13: | hads: i had it in at least 5 diff locations till i started created symlinks |
| [03:24:54] | kdub: | if i install just the backend, would i be able to automatically record shows so i could watch them back with vlc? |
| [03:25:19] | pembo13: | Gimpy: just make sure the data in mysql.txt is correct |
| [03:25:20] | kirk: | mzb_d800: I've gone through http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebi . . . stall_MythTV mysql troubleshooting 5 times now... still not able to connect.... "Database error was: |
| [03:25:20] | kirk: | Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server; consider upgrading MySQL client" |
| [03:25:24] | sphery: | kdub: Installing only the backend (or only the frontend) is not supported. However, you can install the frontend and backend and choose to only run the backend. |
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| [03:26:00] | mzb_d800: | kirk: I'm not going to repeat myself, sorry. |
| [03:26:18] | mzb_d800: | (not that I necessarily know the answer anyway) |
| [03:26:23] | sphery: | kdub: some package managers may split up pieces of Myth, allowing you to install only the frontend or backend components, but if you have problems, post issues to your distro's mailing list/fora/wiki because Myth isn't designed to work that way. |
| [03:26:34] | kirk: | mzb: can you answer this at least... is "secretmagicpasswd" an actual variable? |
| [03:26:39] | hads: | pembo13: The standard location is $HOME/.mythtv/mysql.txt perhaps you are running with multiple users. |
| [03:26:43] | kirk: | or is it actually "mythtv" |
| [03:26:53] | mzb_d800: | mythtv is the default |
| [03:26:55] | kirk: | either way, doesn't matter |
| [03:26:59] | kirk: | doesn't work |
| [03:27:01] | sphery: | kdub: But, you can use MythWeb as an interface to create recording rules if you really don't want to ever start of mythfrontend. |
| [03:27:08] | mzb_d800: | *AAHHHHGGGRRRHHH* |
| [03:27:14] | mzb_d800: | kirk: OLD_PASSWORD |
| [03:27:35] | mzb_d800: | separate mysql password for mythtv@xbox |
| [03:27:57] | mzb_d800: | install phpmyadmin on your BE if you find that easier to use |
| [03:28:04] | kirk: | mzb: it's live, not mythtv @ xbox according to http://www.xbox-linux.org/wiki/MythTV_on_Xebi . . . tall_MythTV, correct? |
| [03:28:26] | mzb_d800: | no idea |
| [03:28:37] | mzb_d800: | the link you provided seems to have all the answers |
| [03:28:44] | kdub: | sphery: i think from what you said, mythtv would fit my purposes. I basically want my desktop to autorecord programs, but keep a desktop 'feel' when watching the recorded programs back |
| [03:29:33] | kirk: | mzb: except it doesn't work... so no, no functional answers... If you cannot provide any further assistance, please indicate and I will "stop bugging you" and quit wasting your precious time |
| [03:29:47] | mzb_d800: | thanks |
| [03:29:56] | kirk: | mzb: thank you and have a good one |
| [03:29:57] | sphery: | kdub: yep, you can use any media player to play back the videos (though you'll lose out on the MythTV specialties, like commercial skipping and "exact" skipping/jumping) |
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| [03:30:06] | mzb_d800: | you'll probably also want to remove the * (from all hosts) user permission on your mysql server, and make them individual for each host (just in case |
| [03:30:09] | mzb_d800: | f0rk it |
| [03:30:51] | mzb_d800: | panties in a twist |
| [03:30:56] | Gimpy: | need help, when i run mythtv , i get cannot conect to master backend check ip address (its is a FE+BE, ips are loopback) |
| [03:31:33] | kdub: | sphery: hmm, so commercial skipping is done on the frontend side? |
| [03:32:09] | mzb_d800: | no |
| [03:32:31] | mzb_d800: | sorry, flagging |
| [03:32:42] | mzb_d800: | (is done on the BE) |
| [03:33:32] | mzb_d800: | but only the internal player will read a cutlist (or commflag list) |
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| [03:43:32] | pembo13: | hads, well there were at least 3 users, the mythtv user, the root, and myself |
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| [04:05:31] | Gimpy: | hi all, need help mythtv give me can not connect to master backend error ip is set to loopback |
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| [04:06:21] | wagnerrp_: | are the frontend and backend on the same machine? |
| [04:06:53] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp_, yes it it a FE+BE setup |
| [04:07:43] | wagnerrp_: | then as long as you have the backend IP defined as the network IP, or 127.0.0.1, in mythtv-setup, and your backend is running, you should not get that issue |
| [04:08:42] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp_, i beleave that my backend is runnng though |
| [04:08:52] | wagnerrp_: | ps ax | grep mythbackend |
| [04:08:56] | Gimpy: | and both ip's are loopbacks |
| [04:09:26] | wagnerrp_: | both IPs? there should only be one place to set an IP |
| [04:09:45] | wagnerrp_: | you set it once in mythtv-setup, and all subsequent frontends and backends just grab that setting off the database |
| [04:10:13] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/2rSA4K33.html |
| [04:10:32] | Gimpy: | and i did check mythbackend is already running |
| [04:10:36] | wagnerrp_: | so... your backend is not running |
| [04:11:55] | Gimpy: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend start * WARNING: mythbackend has already been started |
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| [04:12:26] | wagnerrp_: | thats fine, gentoo's scripts are not smart enough to realize when something has died |
| [04:13:09] | wagnerrp_: | or at least that looks like gentoo's init scripts |
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| [04:13:32] | Gimpy: | ok, i didn't know that , i thaught they knew enough to tell you if process was running |
| [04:13:51] | wagnerrp_: | if they did, there would be no reason for '/etc/init.d/mythbackend zap' |
| [04:14:22] | Gimpy: | but when i do a restart i get http://rafb.net/p/9PPQWw27.html |
| [04:14:50] | Gimpy: | isn't zap the same as stop |
| [04:15:04] | wagnerrp_: | zap just flushes the state, without actually doing anything |
| [04:15:19] | wagnerrp_: | its to reset the init scripts in the event that the program dies on its own |
| [04:15:50] | Gimpy: | ok its zaped |
| [04:16:11] | wagnerrp_: | anyway, you ran 'ps', and it did not list mythbackend as running |
| [04:16:16] | wagnerrp_: | so its crashing for whatever reason |
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| [04:16:27] | wagnerrp_: | check your logs (/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend) |
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| [04:19:15] | Gimpy: | my log says no settings are found for for backend , but i do have giuid data, tuner setup mysql db setup |
| [04:19:25] | wagnerrp_: | paste it |
| [04:19:48] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/KyqLKp45.html |
| [04:20:03] | wagnerrp_: | mythbackend should function with a completely fresh database, without even having run mythtv-setup |
| [04:20:32] | wagnerrp_: | you have no backend server set |
| [04:20:52] | wagnerrp_: | in that first field, on the first page of the first section of mythtv-setup, what did you put there? |
| [04:21:16] | Gimpy: | the ip is 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:22:19] | wagnerrp_: | the same for the master backend a couple lines down? (i forgot there were two entries) |
| [04:23:20] | Gimpy: | there about 3 lines differen between the two but yes both ips are loopbacks |
| [04:23:50] | wagnerrp_: | and theyre both '127.0.0.1' rather than 'loopback'? |
| [04:24:07] | Gimpy: | yes they do say 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:24:54] | wagnerrp_: | then i have no idea |
| [04:25:50] | wagnerrp_: | do you have any data in your database? recordings or anything, or is this a fresh install? |
| [04:26:26] | Gimpy: | ok i was searching and i see in a few posts to rm mysql.txt but that doesn't make much since becase the login info for db is in there |
| [04:26:41] | mzb_d800: | s/loopback/localhost |
| [04:26:43] | Gimpy: | yes i do have data 54 or 56 lines |
| [04:27:02] | wagnerrp_: | well its connecting to the database, so thats not a problem |
| [04:27:09] | wagnerrp_: | it just doesnt know what the backend IP is |
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| [04:27:30] | mzb_d800: | ps ax | grep mythtv-backend |
| [04:28:02] | wagnerrp_: | this is gentoo right? |
| [04:28:06] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800, already ran that |
| [04:28:12] | Gimpy: | yes, is gentoo |
| [04:28:21] | wagnerrp_: | then its mythbackend, not mythtv-backend |
| [04:28:22] | mzb_d800: | and it's running? |
| [04:28:43] | mzb_d800: | ps ax | grep myth |
| [04:28:46] | mzb_d800: | (then) |
| [04:28:49] | wagnerrp_: | different distros/packagers set up things differently |
| [04:29:39] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800 , wagnerrp_ had me zap it but here's the paste http://rafb.net/p/4X6lcK28.html |
| [04:29:57] | mzb_d800: | zap? |
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| [04:30:15] | wagnerrp_: | mzb_d800: 'zap' just resets the init scripts so they no longer think mythbackend is running |
| [04:30:22] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [04:30:29] | wagnerrp_: | if you dont do that, they wont let you start the backend a second time |
| [04:30:37] | mzb_d800: | *sigh* ;) |
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| [04:30:46] | mzb_d800: | so is it running or not? |
| [04:31:18] | mzb_d800: | # netstat -nap | grep myth |
| [04:32:27] | mzb_d800: | evidence seems to suggest it's not running |
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| [04:33:43] | Gimpy: | mzb_d800, we zaped it and haven't restartdd it |
| [04:34:06] | mzb_d800: | so how do you expect the frontend to find it? |
| [04:34:52] | mzb_d800: | forget it ... do your thing ;) |
| [04:34:54] | wagnerrp_: | Gimpy: run 'echo "select * from settings where value='MasterServerIP'" | mysql -umythtv -pmythtv mythconverg' |
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| [04:38:18] | Gimpy: | wagnerp_ output is odd because it's using actual ip http://rafb.net/p/PY6cZZ63.html |
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| [04:40:29] | wagnerrp_: | what about the same thing but with BackendServerIP |
| [04:42:04] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp_ i just checked it and changed it back to 127.0.0.1. i had tried to set actual ip about 10 minuts before talking to you and that caused mythtv to lockup so i changed it back but for some reason it didn't save so i have redone the previous command |
| [04:42:16] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/KWn03z78.html |
| [04:43:22] | Gimpy: | and for backend http://rafb.net/p/YvIPqH41.html |
| [04:44:19] | Gimpy: | the only difference I see is that MasterServer is Null and BackendServer is Tux |
| [04:44:33] | wagnerrp_: | thats normal |
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| [04:50:00] | Gimpy: | yes i figured that was normal and just point it out as the only difference |
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| [04:52:26] | Gimpy: | here is my past of running the frontend , i couldn't get anything out of this that we don't already know but incase it's helpfull http://rafb.net/p/200tXZ82.html |
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| [04:54:44] | wagnerrp_: | frontend seems to be functioning properly, for when a backend is not running |
| [04:55:23] | Gimpy: | should i start the backend and paste a frontend start? |
| [04:55:34] | wagnerrp_: | if the backend continues to run |
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| [04:56:28] | Gimpy: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend start |
| [04:56:28] | Gimpy: | Password: * Starting MythTV Backend ... * start-stop-daemon: caught an interru [ ok ] |
| [04:56:45] | Gimpy: | so something is causing the backend to crash |
| [04:59:56] | Gimpy: | could the backend have the wrong privleges |
| [05:00:20] | wagnerrp_: | paste the backend log again |
| [05:00:40] | Gimpy: | ttp://rafb.net/p/wA4lkN50.html |
| [05:01:12] | wagnerrp_: | the backend log... although it appears the backend is still running |
| [05:01:30] | Gimpy: | what was that path again |
| [05:01:38] | wagnerrp_: | /var/log/mythtv/backend |
| [05:02:06] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/f0v5vp83.html |
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| [05:03:40] | wagnerrp_: | thats the old one, paste the new one |
| [05:04:55] | Gimpy: | the only file in /var/log/mythtv/ is the mythbackend.log |
| [05:05:25] | wagnerrp_: | thats the current version of that file? |
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| [05:05:48] | wagnerrp_: | oh, that was 'ls -l', not ps |
| [05:05:53] | wagnerrp_: | i didnt know what i was looking at |
| [05:06:00] | wagnerrp_: | run the backend again, and post the log |
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| [05:08:52] | Gimpy: | so start back end then post mythbackend.log? |
| [05:09:08] | wagnerrp_: | yeah, one last try |
| [05:09:38] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/FT42Px94.html |
| [05:10:52] | wagnerrp_: | thats still the old file, or the backend was not run |
| [05:11:14] | Gimpy: | ok ill rm the log then run backend |
| [05:11:23] | wagnerrp_: | that wont change anything |
| [05:11:35] | wagnerrp_: | the backend was not run since the first time you pasted the log |
| [05:11:43] | Gimpy: | why, it would have to recreate the log |
| [05:12:01] | wagnerrp_: | im saying it wont recreate the log, because youre not running it |
| [05:12:27] | Gimpy: | ok |
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| [05:12:41] | wagnerrp_: | if you had run it, there would have been something new in the log |
| [05:13:00] | Gimpy: | ok |
| [05:13:10] | wagnerrp_: | when you used sudo to run it, it didnt do anything for whatever reason |
| [05:13:47] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/lMJxaE98.html |
| [05:13:53] | Gimpy: | that from mythbackend |
| [05:14:15] | wagnerrp_: | ok, now it failed because the backend is already running once |
| [05:14:24] | wagnerrp_: | ... this is confusing... |
| [05:15:08] | Gimpy: | ok, just for fun im going to zap it then past |
| [05:15:15] | wagnerrp_: | the backend is currently running, but the log you had posted was identical to the version you originally posted |
| [05:15:26] | wagnerrp_: | dont zap it, because the backend is running |
| [05:15:30] | wagnerrp_: | try starting the frontend again |
| [05:15:33] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/RxVPnF89.html |
| [05:16:02] | Gimpy: | ok starting frontend |
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| [05:22:21] | Gimpy: | thats, confusing, it starts, its extremly slow when acessing guide, when trying to watch tv i get a back screen for about 10 second then goes back to the mytv menu |
| [05:22:41] | wagnerrp_: | your tuner is not working properly |
| [05:22:58] | wagnerrp_: | it tries to grab the stream, until timing out and dumping you back to the main menu |
| [05:23:06] | wagnerrp_: | but... at least the backend is running now |
| [05:24:12] | Gimpy: | yes but mythtv is extreemly slow when navigating though the menus ( excluding trying to watch tv) it take 10–20 seconds for a change to take effect |
| [05:24:36] | wagnerrp_: | what is the cpu load while having this lag? |
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| [05:27:29] | Gimpy: | it took 24 seconds from the time i when to programe gide data for it to populate and cpu load = 0.0 |
| [05:28:25] | wagnerrp_: | ive heard other people complaining about that recently |
| [05:28:30] | Gimpy: | and 17 second to highlight the channle above the one that was highlighted in the gide |
| [05:28:31] | wagnerrp_: | but i have no idea what might be causing it |
| [05:29:17] | Gimpy: | do you have an idea how to fix the backend so that it loads like it should on startup? |
| [05:29:37] | wagnerrp_: | if it loaded now, it should load again |
| [05:29:50] | wagnerrp_: | hopefully whatever was broken is now fixed |
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| [05:41:10] | Gimpy: | i think i may just need to delete and re add it to default |
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| [05:43:26] | Marky123333: | Looking for a hardware.conf and lircd.conf for a AppleTV with Mythbuntu 8.04 on it. Anyone able to help ? |
| [05:44:23] | wagnerrp_: | the distro makes no difference |
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| [05:49:20] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp-, thanks,gotta go to bed, but may be a clue as to why mythtv is being slow it keeps tryiny to conect to backend (while it is running) and timing out |
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| [05:51:37] | wagnerrp: | but the backend is running? |
| [05:52:07] | Gimpy: | yes thats whats odd |
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| [05:56:06] | cesman: | Marky123333: I've included those with KnoppMyth, but like wagnerrp stated distro doesnt matter |
| [05:56:07] | cesman: | http://pastebin.com/m2061ff33 |
| [05:56:15] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I'm back with that problem, and now it seems that it's happening reguardless of theme |
| [05:56:30] | Lord_Deathscythe: | so it's not the fonts |
| [05:56:57] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I've reset, I've overridden to three different themes, I've done everything that's been suggested so far |
| [05:56:58] | Marky123333: | Thanks cesman |
| [05:57:11] | cesman: | http://pastebin.com/m3a7643d1 |
| [05:57:54] | Lord_Deathscythe: | fyi for new viewers, my mythfrontend is not displaying menus, at all |
| [05:58:04] | Lord_Deathscythe: | corefonts is installed |
| [05:58:14] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I was using Retro, then ProjectGrayhem |
| [05:58:27] | Lord_Deathscythe: | neither are functioning now, and even the other themes aren't working |
| [05:58:48] | cesman: | and here is an lircrc:http://pastebin.com/ma4ec712 |
| [05:58:50] | cesman: | you're welcme |
| [06:00:16] | Lord_Deathscythe: | so, any ideas now? |
| [06:03:24] | Lord_Deathscythe: | anyone? |
| [06:04:23] | Lord_Deathscythe: | menus refusing to come up problem, any ideas now that we've tried overriding themes and reinstalling fonts? |
| [06:07:11] | Marky123333: | cesman: I want to use more the 6 commands so I will be recording codes with new UID's into a harmony remote. Do you need to make a new section in lirc.conf for each 6 sets of codes with a matching pre_data to suit the new UID ?. eg pre_data 0x87EE4A ..net section change pre_data 0x87EE4B and so on ? |
| [06:10:08] | Lord_Deathscythe: | any information you want, anything |
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| [06:11:56] | Lord_Deathscythe: | seriously, I had it functioning and now it's not |
| [06:13:04] | wagnerrp: | Lord_Deathscythe: youve tried flushing the theme cache? |
| [06:13:54] | Lord_Deathscythe: | aside from running rm -rf themecache |
| [06:14:02] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
| [06:14:05] | Lord_Deathscythe: | in the home directory, this is a gentoo setup |
| [06:14:31] | Lord_Deathscythe: | and I ask if you have aother theme cache flushing command cause I tried that first and it didn't work |
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| [06:16:39] | Lord_Deathscythe: | so corefonts is installed, o other themes are working with override, apparence has been reset |
| [06:16:47] | Lord_Deathscythe: | cache flushed |
| [06:16:58] | xevious: | has anyone here successfully set up a .21 with a firewire box? first off, is downgrading my 1394 kernel modules still necessary? i noticed that the modification to the wiki that recommended that was from nov 07... |
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| [06:30:32] | Lord_Deathscythe: | back |
| [06:30:34] | Lord_Deathscythe: | so any thoughts anyone |
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| [06:35:51] | Lord_Deathscythe: | wait, this all happened after I upgraded to x server 1.5.0 |
| [06:35:54] | Lord_Deathscythe: | maybe that's it |
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| [06:45:36] | strex: | evening.. after installing a new kernel module, what command would be used to have linux recgonize the new module.. I'm getting FATAL: Module xxx Not found.?? |
| [06:48:19] | wagnerrp: | 'cp' |
| [06:48:55] | strex: | already cp'd the new .ko into the correct location. |
| [06:50:00] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, i have no idea |
| [06:50:14] | wagnerrp: | installation scripts usually handle all that for me |
| [06:50:34] | strex: | installation scripts almost hosed mythtv |
| [06:50:48] | wagnerrp: | depmod maybe |
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| [06:51:40] | wagnerrp: | looks like depmod is what you want |
| [06:52:05] | wagnerrp: | it rescans the paths, and writes a file read in by modprobe |
| [06:52:34] | strex: | that looks like it did it.. thanks wagnerrp.. on to the new error.. :p |
| [06:52:45] | Lord_Deathscythe: | I'm gonna downgrade xorg-server in gentoo and see if htat solves my issues |
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| [06:53:29] | strex: | cx18.ko is a pain in my ass right now.. /me shakes fist.. |
| [06:53:58] | wagnerrp: | moreso than linux in general? |
| [06:54:03] | Lord_Deathscythe: | the answer is no, it does not fix the issue |
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| [06:54:21] | strex: | wagnerrp: right now, Yes. |
| [06:54:42] | wagnerrp: | i fail to believe that you could get the entirety of xorg rebuilt in 2 minutes |
| [06:54:53] | wagnerrp: | beyond the fact that there is very little chance that would change anything |
| [06:55:04] | Lord_Deathscythe: | true |
| [06:55:09] | Lord_Deathscythe: | still, who knows |
| [06:55:26] | Lord_Deathscythe: | the big question is what could happen to make menus work one moment then go away the next in mythfrontend |
| [06:55:27] | strex: | Lord_Deathscythe: why oh why are you downgrading xorg (in a nutshell) |
| [06:55:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is very slow to respond |
| [06:55:53] | Lord_Deathscythe: | no, not slow |
| [06:55:58] | wagnerrp: | err,,, no, that was the other guy |
| [06:55:59] | strex: | what video card? |
| [06:56:02] | Lord_Deathscythe: | if it were slow to respond then the menus would still come up |
| [06:56:16] | wagnerrp: | the frontend is not rendering properly |
| [06:56:25] | wagnerrp: | just the background image, no text or anything else |
| [06:56:45] | strex: | any errors in xorg.log or messages.log? |
| [06:57:04] | strex: | is this a fe/be combined? |
| [06:57:29] | strex: | tried running mythfrountend in a window, run from the command line to see the output? |
| [06:58:07] | Lord_Deathscythe: | fe/be combined |
| [06:58:19] | Lord_Deathscythe: | gentoo setup, goes directly to a simple evilwm setup |
| [06:58:34] | strex: | via gdm right? |
| [06:58:41] | Lord_Deathscythe: | it's built to autoload mythfront end on bootup without any extranious work usig the autostart setup |
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| [06:59:03] | Lord_Deathscythe: | no actually via inittab, minigetty, and .xinitrc |
| [06:59:07] | Lord_Deathscythe: | no gdm or kdm |
| [06:59:14] | Lord_Deathscythe: | only what is needed |
| [06:59:23] | strex: | so how does it login the myth user? |
| [06:59:26] | Lord_Deathscythe: | and usually has no problems but for somereason it's not functioning right |
| [06:59:35] | wagnerrp: | it logs in using inittab |
| [06:59:38] | Lord_Deathscythe: | mingetty |
| [06:59:49] | Lord_Deathscythe: | the frontend autorun howto in the wiki |
| [06:59:55] | wagnerrp: | one of the local terminals runs an X server on boot, rather than the normal shell |
| [07:00:20] | wagnerrp: | ive been meaning to move to that from my current method (startx in boot.local) |
| [07:00:46] | Lord_Deathscythe: | yea |
| [07:00:55] | Lord_Deathscythe: | and I do everything I need admin wise from my desktop |
| [07:01:01] | strex: | so Lord_Deathscythe eventaully mythfrountend is run from what, .xinitrc? |
| [07:01:02] | Lord_Deathscythe: | but this is just plain weird |
| [07:01:07] | Lord_Deathscythe: | yes |
| [07:01:28] | strex: | so... coment it out, and put 'exec xterm' in it's place.. |
| [07:01:42] | strex: | and from that xterm run mythfrountend |
| [07:02:06] | wagnerrp: | or, you could just have mythfrontend log to file and get the same information |
| [07:02:16] | strex: | if there is any errors from the froundend it should show up in that terminal window. |
| [07:02:34] | strex: | wagnerrp: that won't work the way I think, you think it will. |
| [07:02:52] | strex: | I already have that setup, but you can't see QT errors from those files. |
| [07:02:54] | Lord_Deathscythe: | all it does is tell me that it did hook into the mysql database |
| [07:03:11] | CCFL_Man2: | anyone know how to adjust an analog ntsc modulator? |
| [07:03:30] | wagnerrp: | a modulator? |
| [07:03:46] | CCFL_Man2: | yes, catv headend equipment |
| [07:03:47] | wagnerrp: | like... video input, RF output kind of modulator? |
| [07:03:53] | CCFL_Man2: | yes |
| [07:04:32] | wagnerrp: | typically the only ones available to the general consumer are very complex, involving a switch that can toggle between channel 3 and 4 |
| [07:04:59] | CCFL_Man2: | heh |
| [07:05:17] | wagnerrp: | although ive never touched actual headend equipment |
| [07:05:31] | CCFL_Man2: | i mean the catv headend modulators, such as holland or blonder tounge |
| [07:05:36] | CCFL_Man2: | oh |
| [07:05:38] | CCFL_Man2: | ok |
| [07:06:02] | Lord_Deathscythe: | so we're trying the whole thing and getting xterm up |
| [07:06:21] | strex: | alright.. |
| [07:06:35] | strex: | so from that xterm, run mythfrountend |
| [07:06:53] | wagnerrp: | Lord_Deathscythe: it would probably be easier to just ssh into the box, set the DISPLAY variable, and run the frontend that way |
| [07:07:07] | wagnerrp: | easier than trying to read log output from a TV screen |
| [07:07:12] | Lord_Deathscythe: | give me an example of what you are talking about |
| [07:07:27] | strex: | wagnerrp: yea probably.. |
| [07:07:42] | wagnerrp: | ssh <mythtv box>; setenv DISPLAY :0.0; mythfrontend; |
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| [07:07:55] | Lord_Deathscythe: | ok |
| [07:08:01] | wagnerrp: | or export DISPLAY=:0.0, depending on your shell |
| [07:08:10] | CCFL_Man2: | wonder where iamlindoro is |
| [07:08:22] | wagnerrp: | probably asleep |
| [07:08:33] | CCFL_Man2: | probably |
| [07:08:39] | strex: | CCFL_Man2: probably watching some prerecorded tv.. :p |
| [07:08:48] | CCFL_Man2: | or that |
| [07:09:38] | strex: | anyone here get the new HVR-1600 working... |
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| [07:09:53] | wagnerrp: | so what are you wanting to do with big headend equipment? in-house video distribution? |
| [07:10:09] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: yes, in my home |
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| [07:10:36] | wagnerrp: | its too bad they dont make that kind of equipment for ATSC |
| [07:10:45] | CCFL_Man2: | they do |
| [07:10:52] | wagnerrp: | well... not consumer grade |
| [07:11:01] | CCFL_Man2: | they'll never |
| [07:11:33] | wagnerrp: | my parent's motorhome has an RF switchbox for running video to a couple different TVs |
| [07:11:49] | wagnerrp: | but there will likely never be an option to upgrade to digital |
| [07:12:03] | CCFL_Man2: | actually, i have a working digital inhouse cable system |
| [07:12:16] | CCFL_Man2: | qam modulators |
| [07:12:33] | wagnerrp: | really... reasonably priced? |
| [07:12:54] | CCFL_Man2: | i want analog for monitoring |
| [07:12:59] | CCFL_Man2: | not at all |
| [07:13:03] | wagnerrp: | didnt think so |
| [07:13:13] | wagnerrp: | more headend equipment... |
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| [07:13:59] | CCFL_Man2: | $350 for a qam modulator and $300 for an rf upconverter |
| [07:14:15] | CCFL_Man2: | i have three of each |
| [07:14:56] | wagnerrp: | what kind of feed do the modulators take? |
| [07:15:03] | CCFL_Man2: | run like a dream though |
| [07:15:14] | CCFL_Man2: | asi input |
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| [07:15:49] | wagnerrp: | no idea what that is... shows how much i know about professional hardware |
| [07:16:26] | CCFL_Man2: | transport stream input over a 75 ohm cable |
| [07:16:48] | CCFL_Man2: | dvb-asi |
| [07:17:32] | CCFL_Man2: | the source is a commercial satellite receiver |
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| [07:18:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah, all of my sources would need an mpeg encoder as well |
| [07:18:16] | Lord_Deathscythe: | yea, running that from ssh isn't quiet working |
| [07:18:41] | Lord_Deathscythe: | should I remove the .xinitrc file first? |
| [07:19:11] | wagnerrp: | if X is running, and youre ssh'd to the proper user, it should work just fine |
| [07:19:25] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: it's just transmodulating, taking a ransport stream from a satellite transponder and easily distributing it over in the clear qam |
| [07:20:01] | Lord_Deathscythe: | yea, but if it's already running mythfrontend? |
| [07:20:06] | wagnerrp: | CCFL_Man2: i understand that, but if i were implementing something like that, it would be sending an uncompressed input |
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| [07:20:24] | wagnerrp: | then close the frontend, and start a new one |
| [07:20:30] | wagnerrp: | unless closing the frontend kills the X server |
| [07:20:40] | Lord_Deathscythe: | well theoretically it shouldn't |
| [07:20:46] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: what do you mean? |
| [07:21:15] | wagnerrp: | CCFL_Man2: i would be distributing HD signals coming from a PC or DVD player |
| [07:21:30] | Lord_Deathscythe: | ok, mythfrontend killed |
| [07:21:35] | Lord_Deathscythe: | now to run and see what we get |
| [07:21:38] | wagnerrp: | all the equipment is in the front of the RV, but there are TVs in the back and outside |
| [07:21:43] | wagnerrp: | the only cables run are RF |
| [07:21:49] | CCFL_Man2: | wagnerrp: oh, why not just use mythvideo? |
| [07:21:59] | Lord_Deathscythe: | and it just returns cannot connect to X server 0,0 |
| [07:23:04] | CCFL_Man2: | oh, in yoyr rv |
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| [07:25:31] | CCFL_Man2: | the analog modulators are for monitoring over the distribution network, i'll hook up the osd video out to the modulators |
| [07:27:34] | Lord_Deathscythe: | ok, this makes no sense what so ever |
| [07:28:37] | Lord_Deathscythe: | http://pastebin.com/m45b3d28a |
| [07:28:55] | Lord_Deathscythe: | that is the .xinitrc that gentoo installs if you tell it to use the autostart flag with mythtv |
| [07:29:07] | Lord_Deathscythe: | http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frontend_Auto_Login#ratpoison |
| [07:29:12] | Lord_Deathscythe: | that's the wiki for ratpoison |
| [07:29:30] | Lord_Deathscythe: | explain to me why using the wiki idea for ratpoison is working and the gentoo thing isn't |
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| [07:31:52] | strex: | finally new v4l-dvb is compiling.. |
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| [07:57:18] | directhex: | have i managed to make ksirc not break? :o |
| [07:57:25] | directhex: | yes! woo! |
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| [08:55:23] | DHvE: | moin |
| [08:55:34] | DHvE: | good mornin everybody ^^ |
| [08:57:01] | Maliuta: | but it's not morning |
| [08:58:18] | mzb_d800: | must be somewhere ;) |
| [08:58:22] | Marky123333: | CAn someone help me with lirc. When I laund it wit /etc/init.d/lirc start I get [fail] for starting lirc. when I run lircd with --device and --drive arguments it works. I have checked /etc/lirc/hardware.conf and it has the correct driver and device. I don't think lircd is finding the .conf file correclty |
| [08:58:32] | Marky123333: | *load |
| [08:59:02] | justinh: | is this #lirc? I don't think so |
| [08:59:11] | Dagmar: | Not a MythTV problem |
| [08:59:30] | Marky123333: | didn't know of the lirc chan. thanks. Will ask there. |
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| [08:59:37] | justinh: | ok, so there may not even be a #lirc but that isn't the point |
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| [09:00:51] | justinh: | blimey – seems there is according to a directory I found |
| [09:03:37] | ** Dibblah just wishes LIRC would go away. ** | |
| [09:04:22] | ** directhex agrees with Dibblah ** | |
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| [09:04:36] | Dibblah: | I agree that it's in some cases a necessary evil – There's no nice way to do a fully kernel-space driver for things like lirc-serial. |
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| [09:05:43] | justinh: | it's not the worst or the hardest thing you could vaguely associate with mythtv though |
| [09:05:48] | ** Dibblah is not too convinced that kernel integration will be as welcomed as is assumed. ** | |
| [09:06:45] | justinh: | it's a positive breeze compared to say, oh getting X working properly with anything other than a PC monitor |
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| [09:07:35] | justinh: | or indeed making a go of playing back european broadcast HDTV ;) |
| [09:07:36] | directhex: | the only bit that needs to be kernel-space for lirc is the serial driver, and even that could be abstracted into a generic low-level serial port module |
| [09:08:34] | Dibblah: | I would prefer the 'everything goes to the event interface' option. |
| [09:08:42] | Dibblah: | As in all in-kernel. |
| [09:08:57] | Dibblah: | But that's really quite hard in some places. |
| [09:09:13] | Dibblah: | (Remote configuration, for example) |
| [09:09:35] | clever: | id rather not bind lirc buttons to keyboard keys |
| [09:09:38] | justinh: | that there's even a common API for all the different types & shapes of remote receiver is astounding, especially in this open source world |
| [09:09:43] | clever: | it seems better to bind the lirc buttons directly to actions in mythtv |
| [09:09:59] | justinh: | it's easy to knock lirc but I've not seen anybody come up with anything better |
| [09:10:00] | Dibblah: | clever: "directly" |
| [09:10:09] | Dibblah: | Have you looked at the code recently? |
| [09:10:12] | clever: | Dibblah: like in mplayer |
| [09:10:26] | directhex: | nah, do it backwards. userland to handle as much as possible, then dump explicit lirc support in apps in favour of uinput |
| [09:10:26] | clever: | in mplayer you bind lirc buttons and keys to commands the same way |
| [09:10:27] | justinh: | nope, it just works for me :) |
| [09:10:53] | justinh: | it's open source, do something about it |
| [09:11:28] | clever: | button = VOL- |
| [09:11:33] | directhex: | i did. my ps3 remote driver is 100% userland |
| [09:11:35] | clever: | config = volume -1 |
| [09:11:37] | directhex: | it's just a python script |
| [09:11:42] | clever: | Dibblah: part of my .lircrc config that mplayer was using |
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| [09:12:34] | Dibblah: | event interface does not necessarily mean standard keyboard keys. |
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| [09:13:18] | directhex: | Dibblah: neither does uinput |
| [09:13:25] | clever: | Dibblah: yeah, but mythtv would need a bit of a rewrite in the input layer to accept commands directly instead of keys |
| [09:13:37] | justinh: | Dibblah: well, until programs start polling some kind of mind-control interface, the traditional forms of input are surely what have to be emulated |
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| [10:28:22] | mzb_d800: | seems like mtd doesn't like to create dirs with spaces |
| [10:28:23] | mzb_d800: | grrr |
| [10:28:31] | mzb_d800: | (ie: DVD's name) |
| [10:28:52] | mzb_d800: | maybe it's my imagination |
| [10:31:21] | justinh: | didn't think DVD names could have spaces in em |
| [10:33:35] | directhex: | i think UDF can |
| [10:34:37] | mzb_d800: | ie: dvd's created with mytharchive |
| [10:35:20] | justinh: | nasty. encoding recordings to dvd, then ripping them again? sounds lossy |
| [10:35:42] | mzb_d800: | testing ripping on a box for someone else |
| [10:36:00] | stuarta: | nah not lossy |
| [10:36:16] | mzb_d800: | recorded in dvb-mpeg2 |
| [10:36:30] | mzb_d800: | lossless transcode, adds cut, etc |
| [10:36:33] | mzb_d800: | burn to dvd |
| [10:36:42] | justinh: | fairy snuff |
| [10:37:02] | mzb_d800: | *then* I compress it (in theory) and enable auto-expire (also in theory;) |
| [10:37:39] | mzb_d800: | it's only an issue if you want to rip+transcode ... iso rip is fine |
| [10:44:18] | justinh: | ugh. subtitles are creeping into show titles with frightening regularity |
| [10:44:43] | stuarta: | fixups might need a bit of work |
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| [10:48:42] | neopsyche: | hi .. is it possible to use myth tv for a tv schedule for playout of content for TV station? |
| [10:49:03] | stuarta: | that's not really what it's designed for |
| [10:49:17] | neopsyche: | stuarta: any other solutions for that? |
| [10:49:31] | justinh: | ruh?! |
| [10:49:32] | neopsyche: | Im looking for something with a gui. |
| [10:49:34] | justinh: | cron :) |
| [10:49:39] | stuarta: | most of that sort of stuff is custom vod playout stuff |
| [10:50:00] | justinh: | sounds like a niche waiting to be filled :D |
| [10:50:08] | neopsyche: | could it be done with VideoLan? |
| [10:50:09] | justinh: | (not by mythtv) |
| [10:50:12] | stuarta: | myth is generally on the receiving end of the content, not the sending end |
| [10:54:36] | justinh: | most media player programs support the use of text-file based playlists. it should be easy to hack even some php together to modify a playlist on the fly |
| [10:55:20] | justinh: | as far as getting broadcast quality video output from a PC is concerned though.... I doubt anybody here has experience in that field |
| [10:58:05] | justinh: | oh look what a very quick google search found! http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/ |
| [10:58:34] | justinh: | and this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mlt |
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| [11:11:30] | justinh: | roflmao... just been emailed details of a new training course available online now! How to use gmail. FFS, if you can't work our how to use gmail by yourself, I think you'd have more in life to worry about |
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| [11:17:42] | justinh: | neopsyche__: I hope this tv station of yours isn't based from your own internet connection :P |
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| [12:31:13] | HrdwrBoB: | I have a mythtv install, which records perfectly well |
| [12:31:25] | justinh: | but |
| [12:32:03] | directhex: | it can't play european hd very well :'( |
| [12:32:20] | HrdwrBoB: | on the website I can see the recordings |
| [12:32:23] | sid3windr: | yeah european hd -- :( |
| [12:32:38] | HrdwrBoB: | but for some reason on the frontend, it has listings from years ago |
| [12:33:03] | Huijari: | is your backend address correct in the frontend? |
| [12:33:30] | HrdwrBoB: | everything else works correctly |
| [12:33:33] | HrdwrBoB: | yes |
| [12:34:22] | Huijari: | do you mean program listings or list of recordings? |
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| [12:34:28] | HrdwrBoB: | list of recordings |
| [12:34:31] | Plouj: | hi |
| [12:34:48] | justinh: | cat $greeting > /dev/null |
| [12:34:49] | laga: | directhex, sid3windr: seems to work OK for me |
| [12:35:08] | directhex: | laga: i was finishing the sentance |
| [12:35:19] | laga: | hehe |
| [12:35:42] | justinh: | "but XYZ said his AppleTV box plays HD!" :S |
| [12:36:00] | Plouj: | is mythtv a good choice of software if one wants a GNU/Linux DVD player+arbitrary video player with an intuitive interface? |
| [12:36:13] | laga: | Plouj: no |
| [12:36:26] | justinh: | Plouj: xine :) |
| [12:36:26] | HrdwrBoB: | Plouj: I find xbmc to be much better |
| [12:36:41] | HrdwrBoB: | if you want a 'device' style program |
| [12:36:51] | justinh: | xbmc isn't very good at recording TV shows though :-S |
| [12:36:52] | HrdwrBoB: | though I prefer to use xbmc for a myth f.e. as well |
| [12:37:03] | HrdwrBoB: | justinh: on the contrary! |
| [12:37:13] | justinh: | and xbmc isn't ANY good for browsing mythtv's EPG :-S |
| [12:37:14] | Plouj: | well, I want this DVD player to be used with a TV, and with an IR remote as the only input deice |
| [12:37:23] | justinh: | HrdwrBoB: _recording_ |
| [12:37:32] | laga: | HrdwrBoB: not bittorrenting |
| [12:37:33] | laga: | ;) |
| [12:37:37] | HrdwrBoB: | I don't like myth much for recording either |
| [12:37:39] | ** Plouj doesnt' need recording functionality on a DVD player ** | |
| [12:37:42] | HrdwrBoB: | I just use mythweb |
| [12:37:47] | justinh: | HrdwrBoB: so FO then :) |
| [12:37:56] | HrdwrBoB: | heh |
| [12:38:04] | justinh: | if all you came in here for was to say how little you like mythtv.. wtf? ;) |
| [12:38:10] | HrdwrBoB: | justinh: no |
| [12:38:13] | HrdwrBoB: | mythtv is great |
| [12:38:19] | HrdwrBoB: | mythweb is still part of mythtv |
| [12:38:27] | HrdwrBoB: | and you still need myth on the backend |
| [12:38:35] | justinh: | boo hoo |
| [12:38:43] | HrdwrBoB: | anyway |
| [12:38:59] | Huijari: | omg |
| [12:38:59] | HrdwrBoB: | my real problem is that my frontend reports recordings that are wrong |
| [12:39:04] | Huijari: | xbmc looks _good_ |
| [12:39:12] | Huijari: | eyecandy |
| [12:39:16] | justinh: | no it doesn't. it sucks :) |
| [12:39:35] | HrdwrBoB: | justinh: you are toking the crack pipe |
| [12:39:41] | HrdwrBoB: | also, mythmusic is an abortion |
| [12:40:03] | sid3windr: | and you are catholic? |
| [12:40:04] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [12:40:05] | justinh: | and it's little more than a file browser you control with a remote |
| [12:40:09] | laga: | sid3windr: burn |
| [12:40:20] | HrdwrBoB: | justinh: but it does it well |
| [12:40:29] | sid3windr: | mythmusic is quite silly indeed but I wouldn't call it an abortion |
| [12:40:30] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [12:40:47] | directhex: | you wouldn't? has it stopped crashing yet? |
| [12:40:49] | HrdwrBoB: | sid3windr: mythmusic is one of the worst programs I have ever had the misfortune of using that purport to be finished and useful |
| [12:41:06] | justinh: | muh muh muh, a program I've never contributed to is an abortion. oh wait, I said that too. open source is great |
| [12:41:14] | sid3windr: | mythmusic crashes? |
| [12:41:19] | sid3windr: | I didn't see that :] |
| [12:41:27] | justinh: | libvisual causes mythmusic to crash |
| [12:41:29] | sid3windr: | the user interface is just incomprehensible that is all ;) |
| [12:41:30] | justinh: | a lot |
| [12:41:59] | sid3windr: | this causes me to not use it a lot, hence I have probably not noticed crashes ;) |
| [12:42:06] | justinh: | but teh vizual5! |
| [12:42:21] | sid3windr: | milkdrop ! |
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| [12:42:54] | justinh: | sid3windr: milkdrop is one of the things which causes mythmusic to fall over lots more than it should |
| [12:43:56] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [12:43:59] | HrdwrBoB: | it doesn't excuse the user interface designed by someone's grandmother |
| [12:44:05] | justinh: | all this criticism of things, all the time – and not a single fucking JOT of a better idea to be had from anybody == no ongoing improvement |
| [12:44:26] | ** sid3windr doesn't use mythtv as a jukebox, just for video (for now) ** | |
| [12:44:32] | HrdwrBoB: | better idea? |
| [12:44:37] | HrdwrBoB: | throw away mythtmusic |
| [12:44:39] | HrdwrBoB: | start again |
| [12:44:41] | sid3windr: | HrdwrBoB: patches! :) |
| [12:45:32] | directhex: | patches whose content disagrees with the way someone with commit access would do it == decaying wastes of time |
| [12:46:02] | justinh: | directhex: yeah it's worthless even trying so just sit back & knock everything :) |
| [12:46:14] | HrdwrBoB: | if you read what people are saying |
| [12:46:20] | HrdwrBoB: | it's clearly constructive criticism |
| [12:47:24] | justinh: | so mythmusic is thrown away, for the sake of argument.. put together some mockups & semi-detailed descriptions of how it'd work. no? can't be bothered? nor can anybody else |
| [12:47:48] | HrdwrBoB: | tbh |
| [12:48:03] | HrdwrBoB: | it would be more productive to make some more fundamental changes |
| [12:48:10] | HrdwrBoB: | and perhaps expand mythvideo |
| [12:48:14] | HrdwrBoB: | and change it |
| [12:48:16] | justinh: | all this vagueness |
| [12:48:29] | justinh: | no clear ideas. everything sucks. JUST MAKE IT BETTER! |
| [12:48:33] | HrdwrBoB: | the changes I would propose would never happen |
| [12:48:51] | justinh: | I can guess what said changes would include |
| [12:49:10] | directhex: | embedded xmms! |
| [12:49:16] | HrdwrBoB: | things to make the user experience better? |
| [12:50:00] | HrdwrBoB: | building things around users not technology? |
| [12:50:19] | justinh: | make it easier to download content, share content, rapecontent from websites violating T&Cs which don't approve of scraping... oh wait for that there are other programs |
| [12:50:24] | HrdwrBoB: | nope |
| [12:50:34] | HrdwrBoB: | make it easier to play content |
| [12:51:01] | HrdwrBoB: | mythtv should not go near anything that downloads anything, unless it's a specifically allowed streaming service |
| [12:51:12] | justinh: | anyway, this discussion is futile. it always is. people arguing the toss over it hundreds of times will not change anything |
| [12:51:19] | HrdwrBoB: | yep |
| [12:51:21] | HrdwrBoB: | exactly |
| [12:51:23] | HrdwrBoB: | it won't change |
| [12:51:34] | HrdwrBoB: | it's the core problem |
| [12:51:36] | justinh: | people just saying stuff changes nothing |
| [12:51:56] | justinh: | and me telling you theat people just saying stuff won't change anything either |
| [12:52:47] | justinh: | xbmc works a slightly different way in that they actively look for user input. mythtv doesn't. que sera |
| [12:53:00] | directhex: | patches often don't change things either. patches go to trac to die |
| [12:53:14] | justinh: | so, stop trying & do something else. end of story |
| [12:53:25] | justinh: | go work on something else |
| [12:53:45] | HrdwrBoB: | that's what people do |
| [12:53:54] | directhex: | i do. it's years since i submitted any patches |
| [12:53:57] | HrdwrBoB: | because myth isn't about users, it's about technology |
| [12:54:26] | justinh: | and do any of the developers give a stuff about people other than themselves? It's up to them, they're not obliged |
| [12:54:34] | HrdwrBoB: | that's my point |
| [12:54:46] | justinh: | and I'm saying it's not necessarily a bad thing |
| [12:54:53] | HrdwrBoB: | if I want to make a music player that has the worlds worst interface |
| [12:54:55] | HrdwrBoB: | I can do that |
| [12:55:07] | directhex: | and said developers are the ones with commit access. therein lies the problem. writing patches is no guarantee of things changing |
| [12:55:17] | justinh: | course a user who wants something will be bound to differ on that opinion... |
| [12:55:44] | HrdwrBoB: | I don't want anythin |
| [12:55:45] | HrdwrBoB: | g |
| [12:55:51] | justinh: | it's as much of a social issue as it is a technical one |
| [12:55:53] | HrdwrBoB: | the mythtv backend is perfectly good |
| [12:56:01] | HrdwrBoB: | I'm happy to user other frontends |
| [12:56:36] | sid3windr: | perfectly good is not what I would call it but ok |
| [12:56:55] | justinh: | I've not seen all that many patches knocked back out of hand & I'm pretty up to date with the -commits list |
| [12:58:02] | justinh: | taht said, many a good idea has been shouted down on the -dev list – but then again that isn't purely the realm of folks with commit access |
| [12:58:24] | HrdwrBoB: | this isn't purely a mythtv problem |
| [12:58:31] | HrdwrBoB: | it's an open source problem |
| [12:58:52] | justinh: | it's a software problem full stop |
| [12:59:24] | justinh: | look at any of the programs you get with a typical tuner card ffs. eugh |
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| [12:59:32] | HrdwrBoB: | open source more so than non, because the drivers are different |
| [12:59:39] | HrdwrBoB: | oh yeah, they're garbage |
| [13:00:05] | justinh: | writing good software with intuitive UIs must've be very easy... |
| [13:00:19] | justinh: | and when you slap on constraints like it has to be useable with a remote... |
| [13:01:32] | justinh: | as for certain ways of thinking encountering resistance to change – I think I'd probably be a bit upset if somebody came along & wanted to throw all my hard work away |
| [13:01:41] | HrdwrBoB: | absolutely |
| [13:01:47] | HrdwrBoB: | but sometimes that's exactly what's required |
| [13:01:49] | justinh: | can't blame people for that |
| [13:01:54] | HrdwrBoB: | no |
| [13:02:00] | justinh: | I know, but it's understandable |
| [13:02:38] | justinh: | that said I dunno if the guy who initially started mythmusic is still around – so this point migh be moot ;) |
| [13:02:56] | HrdwrBoB: | heh |
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| [13:03:50] | HrdwrBoB: | the real thing that actually makes xbmc a more cohesive experience is nothing much at all – it was the animated transitions |
| [13:04:00] | directhex: | to be fair, i think mythmusic's ui is a reasonable way of dealing with the tv+remote ui constaint. but forcing artist/album browsing is sub-optimal |
| [13:04:29] | justinh: | you know that mythui thing people kkeep blabbering on about? |
| [13:04:34] | justinh: | bingo |
| [13:05:05] | HrdwrBoB: | yeah |
| [13:05:17] | justinh: | ui bling, more cohesion, more choice of layout, more common widgetry... |
| [13:05:37] | HrdwrBoB: | exactly |
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| [13:06:54] | dustybin: | can all the fancy effects of the new mythUI be done on a nvidia fx5200 ? |
| [13:08:28] | HrdwrBoB: | I would expect so |
| [13:08:38] | HrdwrBoB: | quite easily |
| [13:09:02] | onexused: | What's a good tv tuner card to get if I want one that -doesn't- output MPEG2 streams, is compatible with digital and analog signals and hopefully has both coax and A/V inputs (though I could make do with only A/V)? |
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| [13:09:56] | justinh: | onexused: you got answers yesterday |
| [13:09:57] | clever: | you have no choice of the codec for digital streams |
| [13:10:13] | HrdwrBoB: | onexused: you don't like mpeg2? |
| [13:10:41] | justinh: | he wants to display a game console on his PC.. with component video input |
| [13:10:47] | justinh: | among other stuff |
| [13:10:47] | onexused: | justinh: I asked a different question yesterday. |
| [13:11:17] | onexused: | HrdwrBoB: Only if I plan to use tvtime to play games, MythTV to record TV |
| [13:11:32] | justinh: | PCHD5500 will do ATSC digital & analogue inputs without mpeg2 encoding |
| [13:11:33] | HrdwrBoB: | ah |
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| [13:11:36] | onexused: | And I checked: tvtime does display video live. |
| [13:11:47] | ldiamond: | What player is used by mythtv ? |
| [13:11:51] | HrdwrBoB: | onexused: get a monitor which has component input |
| [13:11:52] | justinh: | but you can only use one side at a time.. digital OR analogue |
| [13:11:52] | onexused: | Thanks, justinh, I'll look at that one. |
| [13:11:55] | justinh: | ldiamond: mythtv |
| [13:11:58] | ldiamond: | Does it support .mkv video files? |
| [13:12:08] | ldiamond: | justinh, I would be guessing something like mplayer... |
| [13:12:12] | onexused: | Unfortunately, I just bought one that doesn't : \ |
| [13:12:16] | justinh: | ldiamond: yes, but seeking in 0.21-fixes isn't all that hot apparently |
| [13:12:29] | justinh: | ldiamond: you'd be guessing wrong then. |
| [13:12:44] | ldiamond: | mythtv has its own player...? |
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| [13:12:59] | clever: | ldiamond: mythtv used ffmpeg internaly |
| [13:13:03] | dustybin: | its built in |
| [13:13:04] | justinh: | how many more times/ways can it be said? |
| [13:13:22] | clever: | justinh: alot more, sadly |
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| [13:13:43] | dustybin: | i imagine the ffmpeg source code has been bastardized and built into the inner workings of mythtv |
| [13:13:55] | justinh: | mythtv does not use xine to play video. it does not use mplayer or VLC either. it has its own player build in! said player is based on ffmpeg libraries among other things IIRC |
| [13:14:22] | ldiamond: | Is there a way to use another player? |
| [13:14:28] | ldiamond: | Make it use VLC or something? |
| [13:14:37] | clever: | ldiamond: only for mythvideo |
| [13:14:39] | directhex: | if you must, yes |
| [13:14:48] | justinh: | not within mythtv no, but the mythvideo plugin can use external players |
| [13:15:10] | HrdwrBoB: | justinh: so.. er.. any idea about my weird issue? |
| [13:15:16] | dustybin: | mythvideo can play just about anything |
| [13:15:19] | HrdwrBoB: | re old program recording lists |
| [13:15:25] | justinh: | HrdwrBoB: nope |
| [13:16:01] | HrdwrBoB: | ok, I might have a bit of a poke around in the database |
| [13:16:08] | HrdwrBoB: | I was hoping for an easier fix |
| [13:17:32] | justinh: | nobody ever hopes for hard fixes for software problems |
| [13:17:51] | HrdwrBoB: | they're the most rewarding though :) |
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| [13:21:26] | justinh: | manager to me: "hey, why aren'tyou configuring those machines I had unceremoniousl dumped by your desk while you were at lunch". Me: "err... because I had no idea wtf I was supposed to be doing with them, because nobody was kind enough to infor me what they're doing there." Manager: "oh". yes OH. I'm not a fucking mind-reader |
| [13:21:56] | justinh: | heh dunno where those characters went missing... |
| [13:25:31] | ldiamond: | Does myth tv support MP4/M4V with AC3 audio? |
| [13:26:08] | justinh: | I dunno. wait for the results of that 'big OSS Media Center' survey to come out |
| [13:26:42] | justinh: | short answer: did you bother trying it? |
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| [13:28:35] | justinh: | mythtv's internal player should cope with anything ffmpeg can handle natively – remembering that mythtv & ffmpeg are not always in sync |
| [13:29:27] | ldiamond: | justinh, are you asking me if I bothered trying? |
| [13:30:04] | justinh: | what does it look like? |
| [13:30:20] | ldiamond: | justinh, I dont even have mythtv setup. |
| [13:30:34] | ldiamond: | I'm looking for information in order to choose my setup. |
| [13:30:38] | ldiamond: | stop being such a dick. |
| [13:31:06] | ananke: | ldiamond : mplayer does |
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| [13:32:01] | ** ananke just set it up on his new mythtv box yesterday ** | |
| [13:32:23] | ldiamond: | ananke, did you make mythtv use mplayer? |
| [13:32:55] | ananke: | ldiamond : yes. pretty much for almost any kind of video playback i have it use external player [in my case it's mplayer] |
| [13:33:06] | justinh: | which part of 'mythtv should be able to cope with anything ffmpeg can' was so hard to grasp? |
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| [13:35:52] | ldiamond: | justinh, I dont have ffmpeg either, I'm on windows ATM. |
| [13:36:29] | mzb_d800: | that explains volumes |
| [13:36:42] | justinh: | stick wit it then :) |
| [13:37:35] | justinh: | www.team-mediaportal.com or whatever |
| [13:37:49] | ldiamond: | I know about media portal |
| [13:38:12] | ldiamond: | but I want to use the format that is supported by most of the possible players around. |
| [13:38:19] | ldiamond: | so I'm asking... |
| [13:38:38] | ldiamond: | but here, for some reason, some idiot just give me random partial answers. |
| [13:38:44] | GreyFoxx: | I use the internal player for all video, and dvd playback and never have problems |
| [13:38:55] | GreyFoxx: | it handles all codecs and containers I've thrown at it |
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| [13:39:08] | ldiamond: | Did you try mp4? |
| [13:39:25] | GreyFoxx: | I've created many via handbrake ripping of my dvd's |
| [13:39:35] | ldiamond: | yea, I'm using handbrake too |
| [13:39:47] | GreyFoxx: | mp4 with ac3 audio and mkv's x264 with aac audio |
| [13:39:51] | ldiamond: | but right now, when going to .mp4 using AC3, stuffs like VLC doesnt support it. |
| [13:39:54] | justinh: | oh yes.. my dvd rips are mp4 with ac3 audio. |
| [13:40:23] | justinh: | and my vlc player on windows plays em too |
| [13:40:24] | ldiamond: | only the svn version of VLC supports it, but it barely plays 3 seconds before crashing. |
| [13:40:49] | ldiamond: | what build you use, every builds I used were increadibly unstable. |
| [13:41:07] | GreyFoxx: | build of what ? |
| [13:41:09] | GreyFoxx: | Myth ? |
| [13:41:21] | justinh: | and mythtv plays em aswell – only problem I had was adding mp4 as a recognised file extension – but that bug's been fixed |
| [13:41:31] | justinh: | vlc – godknows. A. Build |
| [13:43:57] | ldiamond: | build of VLC |
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| [13:44:18] | mzb_d800: | heh: 7fps transcode rate on an M10K ... sad |
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| [13:44:48] | justinh: | mzb_d800: U NEEDZ REAL MHZ :) |
| [13:45:03] | mzb_d800: | this is for someone who refuses to listen |
| [13:45:16] | mzb_d800: | so he'll get what he's paid for ;) |
| [13:45:56] | mzb_d800: | not sure how long it'll last though ... CPU is at 65 deg |
| [13:46:31] | justinh: | refuse is another word for 'rubbish' ;) |
| [13:46:42] | mzb_d800: | yes, well said |
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| [13:47:08] | mzb_d800: | the interesting part will be when I hook up the box to his TV ... we'll see |
| [13:47:46] | mzb_d800: | (how nicely the two play together) |
| [13:48:54] | mzb_d800: | looks pretty bad on mine ... but then I don't want to waste my time adjusting for mine and ... so on |
| [13:50:04] | justinh: | oo magic blue smoke!!!!!!!!! |
| [13:51:02] | directhex: | http://www.popgive.com/2008/09/gordon-freeman . . . at-cern.html |
| [13:51:15] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... might have to incorporate magic smoke protection measures |
| [13:51:41] | mzb_d800: | or you mean you've just seen some? ;) |
| [13:51:59] | mzb_d800: | (I hate the smell of CPU-death;) |
| [13:53:25] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... that's odd medium-quality transcode (4400 mpeg4) gave 1.2GB=>1.3GB ... gees |
| [13:55:27] | HrdwrBoB: | justinh: fwiw, I figured out what was going on |
| [13:55:37] | HrdwrBoB: | it had a filter on recording type |
| [13:55:42] | HrdwrBoB: | for some reason |
| [13:56:48] | justinh: | mzb_d800: just seen some |
| [13:56:53] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [13:57:00] | mzb_d800: | magical moment |
| [13:57:55] | mzb_d800: | if it wasn't your fault, you might even compare it to a bird poop on the shoulder/head ;) |
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| [13:59:26] | mzb_d800: | but I have a feeling it'd be difficult under most situations to compare magic smoke liberation to a lucky event |
| [13:59:39] | HrdwrBoB: | magic smoke liberation is good |
| [13:59:45] | HrdwrBoB: | it's unambiguos |
| [13:59:59] | mzb_d800: | (unless you've got a fantastic deal with insurance) |
| [14:00:03] | HrdwrBoB: | user error description I had today "my email looks funny" |
| [14:00:31] | HrdwrBoB: | fortunately I told her that first stop is helpdesk, they are over there |
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| [14:01:44] | mzb_d800: | I've whittled mine down to a select few ... prob. get two phones and 3 emails per year for support-related |
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| [14:06:19] | mzb_d800: | makes life nicer |
| [14:06:36] | justinh: | heh. 3V3 shorted to apcb mounting point |
| [14:06:43] | mzb_d800: | urggh |
| [14:07:38] | justinh: | not quite a zero ohm short.. just enough to keep the PSU from flopping out |
| [14:10:17] | justinh: | serves us right for using the Happy Happy Mega Board Printed Facilities Tech Foundry Inc |
| [14:10:37] | justinh: | "make PBC long time good job!" |
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| [14:29:25] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... add 20–25 deg to the air temp and I'm screwed ... better dream of a solution while I sleep (and hope it doesn't blow up during the night;) |
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| [14:30:46] | weirdolino: | hi all. is it possible to sort the channel list in the EPG during playback by channel number rather than by name? |
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| [14:31:37] | justinh: | weirdolino: yes. sort by channel number :) |
| [14:31:47] | weirdolino: | okay but how? |
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| [14:32:30] | weirdolino: | i can do that in mythtv-setup but i can't seem to save it and during playback it's always sorted by name |
| [14:33:07] | justinh: | set the setting |
| [14:33:10] | justinh: | during playback? |
| [14:33:20] | justinh: | during livetv you mean, obviously |
| [14:33:23] | weirdolino: | yeah |
| [14:33:49] | justinh: | it's not a setting in mythtv-setup |
| [14:34:25] | weirdolino: | so what do i do? i press S during livetv and then..? |
| [14:34:45] | justinh: | S ? |
| [14:35:14] | weirdolino: | yeah. S brings up the channel list |
| [14:35:18] | justinh: | go into utils/setup > setup > tv settings > program guide > general.. IIRC |
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| [14:35:35] | weirdolino: | okay, lemme see... |
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| [14:41:51] | weirdolino: | hm i'm there but there is no such setting |
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| [14:42:49] | weirdolino: | sorry, my connection seemed to have died on me.. |
| [14:43:35] | weirdolino: | so I went where you said but there was no setting to sort the channel list |
| [14:44:01] | justinh: | it doesn't say 'channel list' |
| [14:44:12] | weirdolino: | no |
| [14:44:46] | justinh: | it says something like 'sort guide by channel number' & it's a tick box |
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| [14:45:03] | justinh: | and sorting by number is the default anyway IIRC |
| [14:45:36] | weirdolino: | there's a tick box that says "show only channels with priority".. |
| [14:46:47] | justinh: | this is in mythfrontend, not mythtv-setup, right? |
| [14:47:04] | ldiamond: | anyone know if theres a way to have many subtitles tracks in a mkv or mp4 file? I can only add 1... |
| [14:47:17] | weirdolino: | yes, mythfrontend.. |
| [14:47:43] | justinh: | ldiamond: why would you want more than one subtitle ilanguage n your own video? |
| [14:48:20] | ldiamond: | so I can have it in all languages I need... |
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| [14:48:54] | justinh: | you only ever need one language... |
| [14:49:01] | ldiamond: | I need 2. |
| [14:49:07] | weirdolino: | i think you can add several subtitle tracks with mkvtoolnix |
| [14:49:21] | justinh: | need 2? pick one |
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| [14:49:49] | justinh: | there's some leet stuff going down here methinks |
| [14:50:39] | ldiamond: | justinh, I'm saying I need 2, not one, if you dont know how please dont tell me to only use 1. |
| [14:51:02] | justinh: | meh |
| [14:51:22] | ** jblack wonders what meh means. ** | |
| [14:51:56] | jblack: | as in a dictionary style definition |
| [14:52:24] | jblack: | Ahh. thanks wiktionary: Mediocre; lackluster; unexceptional; uninspiring; Apathetic; unenthusiastic; Expressing indifference or lack of enthusiasm |
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| [14:53:19] | weirdolino: | mm... my version is in german but the options i see translate to this: display genre colors, display categories, flexible selection window, display the channel icons, only show preferred stations, display EPG during live tv |
| [14:53:50] | weirdolino: | no "sort channel list by..." tickbox or drop down menu |
| [14:53:51] | justinh: | somewhere is an option to specify how the list is sorted – by name of by number |
| [14:54:07] | justinh: | s/of/or |
| [14:55:41] | weirdolino: | well yes, that's what i thought but i can't see it anywhere, nor do i find anything about it in the docs |
| [14:56:04] | justinh: | can't see it / can't find it |
| [14:56:35] | justinh: | ok. in good spirit, here I go opening mythfrontend over a VERY laggy remote connection,... |
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| [14:58:07] | justinh: | jesus h christ.. our soggy string must not be very soggy today |
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| [14:58:30] | Gimpy: | Hi all, i need help with hauppaug 150 driver |
| [14:58:44] | justinh: | ignore -replies Gimpy |
| [14:58:54] | justinh: | arghh fucking lag eats me up again |
| [14:59:02] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [14:59:32] | Gimpy: | I tried emering xorg driver and i get some that looks like eaerge is trying to eell me its the wrong driver |
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| [15:05:43] | weirdolino: | did you manage to start it justinh? I just took a screenshot... |
| [15:06:36] | justinh: | it's not there. maybe it IS in mythtv-setup then |
| [15:06:43] | justinh: | i'm convinced I've seen it somewhere |
| [15:07:14] | weirdolino: | mmm... okay, i'll fire up mythtv-setup.. |
| [15:09:04] | justinh: | screw that |
| [15:09:04] | weirdolino: | well you can do it under 5. channel editor but you've got no chance to save it. you can just press esc and when you go back it's set to sort by name again |
| [15:09:59] | justinh: | you have to go all the way to finish.. usually – or setting changes aren't stored |
| [15:10:57] | weirdolino: | i did that too.. had it scan for channels again and clicked finish but it reverted to sort by name |
| [15:11:13] | weirdolino: | maybe I could just edit some config file? |
| [15:11:21] | justinh: | maybe it's just for that part of mythtv-setup then |
| [15:11:25] | justinh: | there are no config files |
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| [15:11:45] | justinh: | I'm still sure I've seen a setting somewhere for EPG sorting |
| [15:12:01] | c4t3l: | anyone ever have their cable lineup change from the provider but not on EPG |
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| [15:12:42] | justinh: | c4t3l: happens quite often. providers change channels around like they change their socks |
| [15:12:57] | weirdolino: | well how do you do it? do you browse through hundreds of channels whenever you wanna switch channels? |
| [15:13:20] | justinh: | I never.. that's NEVER use live tv |
| [15:13:26] | justinh: | EVER |
| [15:13:36] | justinh: | ok, I do but only for testing tuners |
| [15:13:44] | weirdolino: | oh.. you only watch recordings? |
| [15:13:49] | justinh: | yup |
| [15:13:55] | c4t3l: | justinh: do I have to rerun setup to affect the changes |
| [15:14:04] | justinh: | c4t3l: no idea |
| [15:14:05] | weirdolino: | well that's an option too, heh |
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| [15:14:59] | c4t3l: | theres prolly some mythfilldatabase option I'm missing |
| [15:15:00] | cesman: | c4t3l: after making the change, did you run mythfilldatabase --fresh-all? |
| [15:15:03] | justinh: | as for having hundreds of channels, I'm in the fortunate position of not _needing_ hundreds of channels :) |
| [15:15:11] | c4t3l: | thats it dude! |
| [15:15:16] | cesman: | I think it is --refresh-all |
| [15:15:20] | c4t3l: | ure a life-saver |
| [15:15:39] | c4t3l: | i had to do that like maybe 2yrs ago |
| [15:15:57] | cesman: | happy to help |
| [15:16:02] | ** cesman goes back to work work ** | |
| [15:16:43] | weirdolino: | justinh, did you see it here? http://marcellus.gmxhome.de/channellist.jpg |
| [15:17:13] | justinh: | weirdolino: nope. sucky theme btw |
| [15:17:26] | weirdolino: | it's mythbuntu default |
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| [15:20:00] | justinh: | I really wish I'd never amde it now |
| [15:20:03] | justinh: | *made it |
| [15:22:09] | justinh: | I found the setting in the database! |
| [15:22:28] | justinh: | | ChannelOrdering | channum | mythfront | |
| [15:22:38] | justinh: | in the setting tale |
| [15:22:41] | justinh: | *tabke |
| [15:22:44] | justinh: | *table |
| [15:22:46] | justinh: | grr |
| [15:23:02] | justinh: | where the eff the gui setting for it is... anybody's guess |
| [15:23:20] | weirdolino: | in the database... how do i access that? (sorry, I'm a noob) |
| [15:23:53] | justinh: | I never recommend anybody mangle database settings manually |
| [15:24:05] | justinh: | it means there must be a gui setting for it somewhere though |
| [15:25:02] | weirdolino: | yup. it's a pretty elementary thing after all |
| [15:25:10] | ** iamlindoro_ Guesses Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Program Guide ** | |
| [15:25:25] | weirdolino: | we tried there before, no luck |
| [15:26:09] | justinh: | no that's where you'd _think_ it'd be |
| [15:26:21] | avihayb: | I have a problem, the ol'e I've put a jpg image in the mythpictures folder, and they appear as directorys and won't open problem... |
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| [15:27:06] | justinh: | I have a problem. In my IRC client I keep seeing this recurring message which says "I have a problem, the ol'e I've put a jpg image in the mythpictures folder, and they appear as directorys and won't open problem..." |
| [15:27:41] | justinh: | it happens every once in a while. I never see any explanatory text following the statement |
| [15:28:36] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: oh there's a fix for that |
| [15:28:43] | iamlindoro_: | /ignore I think it was |
| [15:28:47] | justinh: | like, nothing that could give anybody a hand in helping out |
| [15:28:49] | weirdolino: | heh |
| [15:28:53] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: aha! cheers! |
| [15:29:35] | weirdolino: | is that guy still here who wanted to mux several subtitle tracks into mkv's? if yes: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/downloads.html |
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| [15:31:01] | justinh: | found it! |
| [15:31:23] | weirdolino: | halleluya! where? |
| [15:31:25] | justinh: | utils/setup > setup > TV settings > GENEREAL |
| [15:31:30] | justinh: | *GENERAL |
| [15:31:38] | justinh: | channel ordering : channel number or channel name |
| [15:32:02] | justinh: | ucking KNEW I'd seen it |
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| [15:33:01] | weirdolino: | ! |
| [15:33:08] | weirdolino: | how could I overlook that!? |
| [15:33:08] | justinh: | avihayb: by any chance are your pictures set to look like executables? |
| [15:33:20] | weirdolino: | thanks a lot for your patience! |
| [15:33:22] | justinh: | weirdolino: dunno. same thing blind-sighted me |
| [15:33:38] | justinh: | if in doubt, go through every menu in turn :) |
| [15:33:50] | avihayb: | justinh: If they are, it wasn't me who did it. I have some pngs there that look fine. |
| [15:33:56] | justinh: | and now for your pennance you shall sit for 2 hours going through every menu |
| [15:34:08] | justinh: | (to get to know them better!) |
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| [15:35:05] | justinh: | avihayb: more info to go on would maybe help people help you |
| [15:35:07] | weirdolino: | i was so sure i had gone through every menu! lol |
| [15:36:26] | avihayb: | the folder is fully readable, it's the single backend with a frontend on it |
| [15:36:29] | weirdolino: | mmm... the good news it it works in the epg, the bad news is it doesn't apply to pressing the up and down keys |
| [15:36:51] | justinh: | how hard is it to test the file attributes & dick around with things yourself? It ain't rocket science |
| [15:37:26] | avihayb: | justinh: the images are shoing in the galery view, but .png images have previews and are openable, .jpg don't show priview and arn't openable |
| [15:37:47] | justinh: | sounds like problems with said images then |
| [15:38:35] | justinh: | again, not rocket science to work it out. if they open in other programs just fine, save them out as different files & see if those work... |
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| [15:41:03] | weirdolino: | could it be that they aren't really jpgs? that they're really pngs or something? what happens if you change the file extension? |
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| [15:42:30] | avihayb: | justinh: did you mean that because the images have the executable attribute, they might not open? |
| [15:44:04] | weirdolino: | gotta go now. thx again for your help, justinh. see ya |
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| [16:03:05] | justinh: | heh, well at least these other units didn't burst into flames :) |
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| [16:05:32] | wagnerrp: | hey! they world is still here |
| [16:05:40] | wagnerrp: | s/they/the/ |
| [16:06:01] | wagnerrp: | (the LHC didnt destroy us) |
| [16:06:36] | justinh: | not that it would've.. they don't power up the other beam for a while yet & even then it'll be a spell before they crank up the power |
| [16:07:09] | wagnerrp: | i know... they only ran it to half the power as previous experiments |
| [16:07:31] | justinh: | the crossing of the streams comes later :) |
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| [16:08:08] | justinh: | crowbar, Dr Freeman? |
| [16:08:30] | wagnerrp: | since when does gordon fight ghosts? |
| [16:08:47] | justinh: | them's not ghosts, them's cybermen! |
| [16:09:14] | wagnerrp: | so were destroying the fabric of the universe now/ |
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| [16:10:10] | justinh: | there's little doubt that if anything does go seriously wrong there's no real way to predict the outcome ;) |
| [16:11:46] | dustybin: | my pci card is on its way from america :-) |
| [16:11:53] | wagnerrp: | model? |
| [16:11:58] | dustybin: | jaton |
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| [16:12:11] | dustybin: | Jaton VIDEO-338PCI-LP NVIDIA |
| [16:12:21] | wagnerrp: | oh, graphics, not tuner |
| [16:12:25] | dustybin: | its a rare low width low profile model |
| [16:12:37] | wagnerrp: | why are you getting a PCI card? |
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| [16:12:46] | dustybin: | for my frontend box |
| [16:12:54] | dustybin: | it has only 1 pci slot free |
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| [16:13:38] | dustybin: | im about to install leopard |
| [16:13:42] | justinh: | scan have pci VGA cards in stock :) |
| [16:14:13] | dustybin: | justinh: they have to be a certain width otherwise it will not fit |
| [16:14:22] | wagnerrp: | so this is running to an SDTV with a VGA input? |
| [16:14:29] | justinh: | £27.01 in VAT |
| [16:15:12] | dustybin: | nice bit of info here |
| [16:15:13] | dustybin: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/requirements |
| [16:15:44] | justinh: | reqirements to run mythbuntu: a computer |
| [16:16:28] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: you know the video played over that card will be choppy even at 640x480 |
| [16:16:40] | dustybin: | thats where i found out about the windows MCEUSB2 remote |
| [16:16:51] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: you are joking? |
| [16:17:08] | wagnerrp: | no, its PCI, you cant push uncompressed video over it |
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| [16:17:16] | dustybin: | no way |
| [16:17:22] | wagnerrp: | you may be able to do mpeg2 with xvmc |
| [16:17:34] | dustybin: | i understand i wouldnt be able to get HD through it |
| [16:17:40] | dustybin: | but i thought SD wouldnt be a problem |
| [16:18:19] | wagnerrp: | oh, got mixed up |
| [16:18:26] | wagnerrp: | 133MB/s, not mbps |
| [16:18:41] | dustybin: | *phew* you had me really worried then |
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| [16:19:34] | dustybin: | i might have to mod a fan onto the card, as its going into a small space, there isnt much room for it to breath, it comes with a heatsink only |
| [16:19:58] | wagnerrp: | well 1024x768 or better will kill it |
| [16:20:10] | dustybin: | ill be using low res PAL |
| [16:20:23] | wagnerrp: | should be fine then |
| [16:20:29] | dustybin: | 720 by 576 |
| [16:21:00] | dustybin: | ace :-) |
| [16:21:14] | wagnerrp: | what else are you running over the bus... tuner cards? drive controllers? |
| [16:21:18] | dustybin: | going to bid on a MCEUSB2 remote for it now |
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| [16:21:29] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: there is 1 PCI slot on this frontend |
| [16:21:34] | dustybin: | its a small box |
| [16:21:39] | justinh: | if PCI couldn't handle full uncompresed video, no framegrabber card would ever work |
| [16:21:45] | wagnerrp: | atom board? |
| [16:21:50] | wagnerrp: | justinh: good point |
| [16:21:59] | justinh: | and bear in mind that people are using multiple framegrabbers in one machine :) |
| [16:22:14] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: its a: HP D530 USDT |
| [16:22:29] | justinh: | so, as much joy as it'd bring to me to learn that dustybin is doomed to fail.. it wo't be on that score if he does ;) |
| [16:22:30] | dustybin: | picked 1 up dirt cheap with a dvd rom |
| [16:22:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, SD PAL is ~12MB/s |
| [16:23:01] | dustybin: | lll be ok? |
| [16:23:21] | wagnerrp: | should be |
| [16:23:25] | dustybin: | the only problem i think i might have is heat |
| [16:23:31] | justinh: | even RGB 4:4:4 is only 15MB/sec |
| [16:23:49] | olejl: | I have some problems configuring a multiple frontend system. Please look here for backend log: http://pastebin.com/d78d64d31 |
| [16:23:58] | justinh: | should have little or no problems there :) |
| [16:24:02] | dustybin: | ace |
| [16:24:18] | justinh: | olejl: that log is useless |
| [16:24:46] | justinh: | olejl: 1. make sure the backend is bound to the LAN ip address of the machine |
| [16:25:08] | justinh: | 2. make sure mysql access is permitted from other machines, and that networking is enables, and that it's also bound to the LAN ip address of the machine |
| [16:25:28] | justinh: | s/enables/enabled |
| [16:25:45] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be finding a whole slew of different varients for the d530 |
| [16:25:56] | dustybin: | if you setup a frontend to netboot, how does the kernel know what kind of hardware is on that machine? do you have to manually create a working kernel for it? |
| [16:26:15] | olejl: | Thank you justinh. It is probably the mysql access which is the problem |
| [16:26:42] | wagnerrp: | the same way the kernel knows on any other boot mechanism |
| [16:26:42] | justinh: | olejl: try logging into the mysql server from the other machines: |
| [16:27:01] | justinh: | mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword mythconverg -h $IP_ADDRESS |
| [16:27:04] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: coming to think of things, all kernels are the same, they detect what ever it finds |
| [16:27:34] | justinh: | olejl: also make sure that the other frontend machines have qt-mysql client libraries installed |
| [16:28:07] | dustybin: | also, make sure that the mythconverg database as rights to allow outside IPs to access it |
| [16:28:22] | justinh: | the most important thing when netbooting is to make sure the initrd has the correct network device support ;) |
| [16:28:34] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:28:34] | justinh: | otherwise, zip all will happen |
| [16:30:08] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: i cant actually find any specs on it, besides its some sort of late model P4 |
| [16:30:10] | olejl: | Yes I get the following error message: ERROR 2003 (HY000): Can't connect to MySQL server on '192.168.1.101' (113) |
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| [16:30:23] | wagnerrp: | is the onboard intel graphics not working? |
| [16:30:52] | wagnerrp: | olejl: is it possible that your sql server is not set up to listen over the network? |
| [16:31:11] | wagnerrp: | that seems to be common default configuration for a number of distros |
| [16:31:23] | wagnerrp: | localhost and socket only |
| [16:33:05] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: the driver for the onboard chip doesnt support interlace modes (as justinh kindly pointed out, many times..) |
| [16:33:29] | wagnerrp: | ah, i see |
| [16:33:38] | wagnerrp: | so it was either a new graphics card, or a scan converter |
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| [16:34:01] | olejl: | Yes I think that is it. Im searching for how to set it up now... |
| [16:34:04] | dustybin: | im going to use the nvidia VGA OUTPUT > SYNC THINGY > RGB SCART |
| [16:34:12] | dustybin: | that creates a lovely picture |
| [16:34:22] | dustybin: | just like a STB |
| [16:34:50] | justinh: | ugh. the bbc have done a 'special' radio edition of torchpoo |
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| [16:45:47] | ** dustybin looks forward to glasswide the super enhanced MythUI version :-) ** | |
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| [16:48:57] | Sulx: | so..is it possible to have full resolution(1920) OSD with SD video and XV? |
| [16:49:21] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the opengl painter will do that |
| [16:49:47] | justinh: | opengl video renderer ftw :) |
| [16:50:03] | Sulx: | ah...too bad it's too slow =) |
| [16:50:11] | justinh: | and no, AFAIK no OSD is 1080P yet |
| [16:50:25] | wagnerrp: | its either 800x600, or 1280x720 |
| [16:50:32] | wagnerrp: | and scaled from there |
| [16:50:42] | justinh: | no, OSD base res used to be 640x480 or 640x480 |
| [16:50:46] | wagnerrp: | (or is it 640x480?) |
| [16:50:48] | Sulx: | can't i make custom osd?-) |
| [16:50:51] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:50:55] | olejl: | I have now opende port 3306 in my firewall, and is now able to log in to my sql database from the remote PC, but "unknown socket closing" is still there |
| [16:51:02] | justinh: | scaled to the current video resolution – as in the res of video being played back |
| [16:51:14] | justinh: | Sulx: I dunno. can you? ;) |
| [16:51:28] | justinh: | I did, others have.. because they could! |
| [16:51:46] | Sulx: | pleeh |
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| [16:52:07] | justinh: | I doubt you'd be able to tell muhc between 720p & 1080p on the OSD anyway |
| [16:52:25] | Sulx: | true |
| [16:52:41] | justinh: | I just finished updating glass-wide's OSD to 720p |
| [16:52:46] | wagnerrp: | if you can tell the difference, your text is too small, or youre sitting too close to the screen |
| [16:52:52] | justinh: | it's shiny :) |
| [16:53:12] | Sulx: | justinh: public? |
| [16:53:34] | justinh: | it's gone in to the new ubuntu thingy |
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| [16:53:53] | Sulx: | me no liky ubuntu thingies |
| [16:54:27] | wagnerrp: | so the painter just does the menus, the renderer does the OSD |
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| [16:56:02] | Sulx: | should www.mythtvthemes.co.uk work? |
| [16:56:09] | justinh: | hahaha no way |
| [16:56:15] | justinh: | I took my ball away |
| [16:57:04] | justinh: | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ . . . -wide.tar.gz – not uploaded just yet & will only be available for a limited time |
| [16:57:31] | Sulx: | btw...trunk compatible?-) |
| [16:57:39] | wagnerrp: | should tell stuart that to update his page |
| [16:57:54] | justinh: | no it's not trunk compatible |
| [16:58:03] | justinh: | things are breaking all over with the work on mythui |
| [16:58:11] | Sulx: | never mind then...:P |
| [16:58:41] | justinh: | most if it'll work with trunk |
| [16:58:51] | justinh: | but in any case it's not supported |
| [16:59:25] | justinh: | go back to steenking mepoo then :) |
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| [17:04:36] | justinh: | there are going to be at least a couple of very nice themes for mythui that'll make people forget all about the lame themes that came before.. widescreen only of course :D |
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| [17:05:16] | justinh: | you wan 4:3 feems? you buy me nice 1080p HDTV! |
| [17:06:44] | olejl: | I am trying to find what is happening, and turn on -v all on the backend. Can somebody tell me if SM(...) messages in the end is OK. http://pastebin.com/d46c2c4ea |
| [17:07:50] | wagnerrp: | well you obviously have access to the database now... what is the problem |
| [17:08:27] | wagnerrp: | typically, those messages are never seen |
| [17:08:43] | wagnerrp: | because no one runs '-v all', unless they have a problem |
| [17:09:01] | olejl: | no still not... I opened port 3306 in the firewall and can now access sql from the remote computer, but still not able to connect the remote frontend |
| [17:09:37] | wagnerrp: | so open port 6543 to allow access to the backend |
| [17:09:49] | olejl: | Already open |
| [17:10:24] | olejl: | WHat happens is that when I start the remote frontend I get an unknown socket closing on the backend. |
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| [17:10:53] | olejl: | Nothing happens on the frontend utnil I stop the backend, and then the GUI appears on the frontend |
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| [17:12:51] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i think my modem is dying |
| [17:13:05] | wagnerrp: | every so often, it drops offline, i have to reboot it |
| [17:13:15] | wagnerrp: | that 'so often' is becoming more frequent |
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| [17:27:34] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: no dont worry, thats me dos'ing it :P |
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| [17:28:02] | iamlindoro_: | You couldn't DOS anything with a team of chinese programmers and an Ubuntu howto, dummy |
| [17:28:06] | dustybin: | :P |
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| [17:34:33] | olejl: | I have tried to collect some info around my problem with connection to a remote backend: http://pastebin.com/f42a2ac24. |
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| [17:52:07] | sebrock_: | is it possible to change EPG themeing? |
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| [17:55:59] | adicarlo: | hey guys, what's up? |
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| [17:57:54] | adicarlo: | i have problem with my 0.21 mythtv, where its only scheduling (for most shows) until next Monday, even though it has listing data for a full 14 days |
| [17:59:15] | adicarlo: | this is a working installation though that's been upgraded several times, and running for almost 2 years |
| [17:59:28] | adicarlo: | i wonder if there's something wonky with my program table |
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| [18:02:52] | adicarlo: | i do get this error from mythfilldatabase, maybe this is the problemo: |
| [18:02:53] | adicarlo: | 2008-09–10 05:30:10.960 Error rescheduling id -1 in ScheduledRecording::signalChange |
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| [18:12:57] | adicarlo: | oh there we go,ok |
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| [19:24:41] | jarle: | hmm.... if I start multirec manually my changing channels and pressing "r" recordings seems to work fine, however if I try to schedule multirec it does not seem to work: http://pastebin.ca/1199229 |
| [19:24:53] | jarle: | Anybody else experienced this? |
| [19:27:54] | Dubstar_04: | jarle: how have you get the priority for the cards set? |
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| [19:35:09] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: equal priority I think. The recordings in question all use virtual tuner 1 and 2 on card 1 |
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| [19:35:49] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: I have tuner 1–3 on card 1 and tuner 4–6 on card 2 |
| [19:37:03] | Dubstar_04: | I would suggest changing to just 2 virtual cards and raise the priority on card 2 |
| [19:38:02] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: why should I increase priority? |
| [19:39:30] | Dubstar_04: | If you raise the priority on the second card, (cards 3 and 4) mythtv will use them to record first and only use card one ( cards 1 and 2) if there is no other option |
| [19:39:55] | Dubstar_04: | Which means you will have less issues with live tv and epg gathering |
| [19:41:02] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: ok, I will give it a try. |
| [19:41:25] | Dubstar_04: | there is no harm is there? |
| [19:42:06] | Dubstar_04: | Make sure you "delete all cards on <machine name>" before you add the cards |
| [19:42:19] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: no, reducing number of virtual cards will at least give a system that is easier to debug until I have this working correctly.. |
| [19:43:41] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: and leaving card 1 free for live tv whenever possible would also be nice.. |
| [19:44:04] | Dubstar_04: | Thats how i have always done it |
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| [19:46:38] | Dubstar_04: | jarle: with higher priority on cards 2 mythtv will not display a pop up prior to recording unless it needs the tuner you are using. that way you don't get disturbed when your watching something!! |
| [19:47:42] | Dubstar_04: | jarle: make sure you delete ALL the cards on your system and re-add them. |
| [19:48:00] | Dubstar_04: | Are you using the same guide info on all tuers? |
| [19:48:15] | Dubstar_04: | sorry 'tuners'? |
| [19:49:29] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: each tuner is connected to a 4-port diseq switch, and has 4 inputs, each with it's own guide info |
| [19:50:06] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: but all tuners have the same setup |
| [19:50:59] | Dubstar_04: | Are you in the uk? |
| [19:52:41] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: Norway |
| [19:53:01] | Dubstar_04: | Are they DVB-s cards? |
| [19:53:41] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: yes, and I get uk channels |
| [19:54:21] | Dubstar_04: | what in norway? |
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| [19:57:34] | jarle: | Dubstar_04: yeah, I get Astra 28.8 where I live at the west coast |
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| [20:02:29] | Gimpy: | Hi all , i need help with ivtv driver, i tried to emerge it and i recieved die error this only works with kernel 2.6.25. (I have kernel 2.6.26) so i edited the ebuild for 2.6.26 and rebuilt the digest and still doesn't work, i then did an emerge -s ivtv and media-tv/ivt says its not installed |
| [20:02:47] | Dagmar: | This is a literacy problem if ever there was one. |
| [20:03:33] | Gimpy: | Dagmar, im usin a 7 key keyboard so i'll shorten things where i can |
| [20:04:44] | Dagmar: | Perhaps if you actually read some of ivtv's documentation, your problem would become obvious. |
| [20:04:47] | wagnerrp: | so you were told something doesnt work with your kernel, you forced it to compile, and now it doesnt work? |
| [20:05:24] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp-, your correct |
| [20:06:35] | GreyFoxx: | ... |
| [20:06:47] | GreyFoxx: | Then revert back to 2.6.25 ? |
| [20:07:23] | wagnerrp: | well unless theyve changed how the driver functions, one revision of the driver is written for one kernel version |
| [20:07:28] | wagnerrp: | there is no mix-and-match |
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| [20:08:20] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, but that what i thaught when i edited the ebuild for 2.6.26 |
| [20:09:05] | wagnerrp: | in which case you should not be editing an ebuild to override the kernel version check, but should be searching for an ebuild that likes your kernel version |
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| [20:11:08] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, the thaugt was it shouldn't matter because because its noe a full kernel ver. diff. |
| [20:11:15] | Gimpy: | ohmslaw |
| [20:11:30] | wagnerrp: | its .25 vs. .26 |
| [20:11:42] | wagnerrp: | they are written for that version difference |
| [20:11:52] | wagnerrp: | at least they used to be |
| [20:11:59] | Gimpy: | ok, i knew it was a straw grasp when i tried it |
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| [20:12:39] | wagnerrp: | 0.4 was for 2.6.14, .6 was for 2.6.16, .7 was for 2.6.17, .8 was for 2.6.18 |
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| [20:12:50] | wagnerrp: | they may have changed that when they bumped up to 1.x, i dont know |
| [20:14:05] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, check this out im about 1/2 way down on thapage http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Gentoo |
| [20:14:24] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, i have to still manuly start mythbackend to start mythtv |
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| [20:15:14] | mkrufky: | Gimpy: ivtv has been merged into the kernel, and the official v4l-dvb development repository |
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| [20:15:28] | mkrufky: | Gimpy: genoo has a v4l-dvb-hg ebuild — try that... you might get better luck with it |
| [20:15:31] | mkrufky: | genToo |
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| [20:16:18] | Gimpy: | mkrufkey, so emerge v4l-dvb-hg ? makeing sure that is the correct one? |
| [20:17:12] | Gimpy: | mkrufkey, emerge 1 of 2 now errors yet |
| [20:17:13] | slango: | Can someone briefly give me a rundown of what I'm currently able to do with MythTV, a Comcast STB connected via firewire, and HD service? |
| [20:17:19] | slango: | or point me at an article |
| [20:17:41] | Gimpy: | slango, www.mythtv.org |
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| [20:18:03] | wagnerrp: | if youre lucky, capture all but premium channels over firewire |
| [20:18:20] | wagnerrp: | if youre average, capture local broadcast channels, and maybe basic channels |
| [20:18:43] | wagnerrp: | if youre unlucky, nothing, because comcast has violated fcc regulations and disabled firewire |
| [20:18:59] | slango: | awesome |
| [20:19:24] | slango: | So basically Myth is dying because Comcast and other cable providers are dicks |
| [20:19:29] | Gimpy: | off-topic. Is there a problem gettipg digital channle's from cablebox with the 150 hauppaug card, i don't think there would be a problem but thoughing the question out there |
| [20:19:50] | Dibblah: | Gimpy: No. That works fine. |
| [20:20:10] | Dibblah: | SD only, of course. |
| [20:20:32] | Gimpy: | slango, thats what it would like like, but its also becase peaple are scared of mythtv because the alsa don't know abaut winmyth |
| [20:20:50] | mkrufky: | Gimpy: in the future... .do the first few letters of the person's nickname, then hit <tab> ... i was in another window and i didnt realize you were talking to me |
| [20:20:57] | Dibblah: | Gimpy: ... And in English? :( |
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| [20:21:21] | Gimpy: | still learnin irc key shotcuts :-p |
| [20:21:28] | mkrufky: | thats OK |
| [20:21:55] | mkrufky: | slango: i recommend that you take a look at the Hauppauge HD PVR |
| [20:22:07] | Gimpy: | Dib, i'm trying to get a new language to get excepted.. gimpish :-p |
| [20:22:22] | Dibblah: | Accepted. |
| [20:22:28] | mkrufky: | slango: then also investigate OTA ATSC ,,, when cable is all sdv or encrypted or what have you, ATSC will still be in the clear |
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| [20:22:54] | Dibblah: | Then, they'll come for ATSC... |
| [20:23:05] | mkrufky: | atsc will never be encrypted |
| [20:23:21] | Dibblah: | I like your faith. |
| [20:23:24] | mkrufky: | me too :-D |
| [20:23:34] | mkrufky: | but its true |
| [20:23:55] | mkrufky: | if they could go add encryption schemes to ATSC, then they can just go ahead and replace the mpeg2 with h264 while they're at it |
| [20:24:05] | mkrufky: | and we all know that wont happen, because hardware wont do it |
| [20:24:15] | mkrufky: | atsc will stay in the clear, by design |
| [20:24:38] | Dibblah: | Yeah. They'll just replace it with DVB-x2 when the time comes. |
| [20:24:40] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [20:24:50] | mkrufky: | i hope you';re right, actually |
| [20:25:00] | mkrufky: | finally a STANDARD might be used in america |
| [20:25:06] | Dibblah: | Of course they won't – NIH. |
| [20:25:09] | mkrufky: | i knwo , lol |
| [20:25:18] | Dagmar: | There's a standard here. |
| [20:25:25] | Dagmar: | It's called "You can't do what you want without paying us more." |
| [20:25:29] | Dibblah: | It's like France's SCART abomination. |
| [20:27:15] | dustybin: | http://defectivebydesign.org/ |
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| [20:31:57] | slango: | why do cable providers care so much about encryption and what not? is it pressure from the content-providers? |
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| [20:35:17] | wagnerrp: | why make such a service available when A) theyre not required to, and B) it will cut into their own PVR rentals |
| [20:37:25] | wagnerrp: | cable providers only cater to the content-providers as much as necessary to keep the content flowing |
| [20:37:42] | wagnerrp: | which isnt much because the content people need the cable people to sell their content |
| [20:38:55] | slango: | wagnerrp: why offer PVR rentals when your business is cable SERVICE? |
| [20:39:51] | wagnerrp: | because the PVR only plays content recorded off their cable service |
| [20:40:03] | wagnerrp: | its all about lock-in |
| [20:41:46] | wagnerrp: | futurists always talk about interoperability in hardware and software |
| [20:42:09] | wagnerrp: | but no one actually wants that (except for the consumer) |
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| [20:46:31] | Gimpy: | emerged v4l-dvb-hg but dindn't work. when trying to watch Tv the screen goes blank for about 10 seconds then back to mythtv menu, im looking at the linuxtv site and don't see mythtv listed but seaching |
| [20:46:33] | slango: | so there's no cable card adapter that works with MythTV? |
| [20:46:46] | Dagmar: | Hah |
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| [20:48:51] | slango: | maybe I should ask if a cable card adapter exists first |
| [20:49:07] | slango: | then qualify that with "works with linux" |
| [20:49:22] | Gimpy: | slango, cable card adapter, yau meen tv tuner card |
| [20:49:43] | slango: | Gimpy: well, tv tuner card that supports a cable card |
| [20:49:48] | Dagmar: | No, he doesn't. |
| [20:49:50] | slango: | does such a thing not exist |
| [20:50:02] | keith4: | can anyone think of a good idea why I shouldn't spend $1000 on a projector to hook up to my myth frontend? |
| [20:50:04] | Gimpy: | i didn't know cable had its own card |
| [20:50:09] | Dagmar: | We're not going to see CableCard drivers under linux. |
| [20:50:14] | slango: | I'm just wondering if the existence of a cable card helps my dream of using MythTV with my comcast service at all |
| [20:50:19] | Dagmar: | ...not without going grey/black market. |
| [20:50:24] | wagnerrp: | ATI made A cablecard adapter a while back |
| [20:50:28] | wagnerrp: | but its no longer in production |
| [20:50:36] | wagnerrp: | and it was never available to consumers, only OEMs |
| [20:50:53] | wagnerrp: | so at current, there are no cable card tuners available |
| [20:51:16] | wagnerrp: | although arent there talks to replace cablecard with something else anyway? |
| [20:51:56] | mkrufky: | Gimpy: reboot your machine after the v4l-dvb-hg is installed |
| [20:51:59] | Dagmar: | Yeah, Sony is working on some technology that will allow you to be charged per eyeball. |
| [20:52:07] | Dagmar: | They're offering blind people a 25% discount. |
| [20:52:51] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, am i missing somthing witpv4l-dvb-hg, like a config file or setup becase just emergipg it didn't give me video from my tuner card |
| [20:52:52] | mkrufky: | does porn count? if you watch encrypted porn using their service, it will MAKE you go blind... there's gotta be some discount for that |
| [20:53:16] | mkrufky: | Gimpy: reboot |
| [20:53:41] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, v4l-dvb-hg is for digital tuners only, i dont know why you were told to install that |
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| [20:53:50] | mkrufky: | wrong, wagnerrp |
| [20:53:54] | Gimpy: | mkrufky,ok, but i thaught i wauldn't have to thats usualy an MS thing |
| [20:53:56] | mkrufky: | ivtv is in v4l-dvb |
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| [20:54:16] | mkrufky: | Gimpy: i wouldnt have told you to reboot if you didnt need to |
| [20:54:16] | mkrufky: | ] |
| [20:54:30] | mkrufky: | in reality, you can reload the drivers without rebooting... but just reboot — its easier |
| [20:54:32] | Gimpy: | just seemed odd, ok rebooting |
| [20:54:37] | wagnerrp: | ivtv got consumed by the 'v4l' part of the project? |
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| [20:55:05] | mkrufky: | ivtv has been merged since 2.6.18, wagnerrp |
| [20:55:14] | mkrufky: | and for the record, v4l is VIDEO for LINUX |
| [20:55:17] | mkrufky: | ie: analog only |
| [20:55:22] | wagnerrp: | i know that |
| [20:55:25] | mkrufky: | DVB is digital television... not just DVB |
| [20:55:39] | wagnerrp: | i also know the ivtv drivers are now part of the mainline kernel |
| [20:55:43] | mkrufky: | v4l-dvb is a development repository that where both subsystems are maintained |
| [20:55:55] | wagnerrp: | i just thought they were still an independent project |
| [20:56:02] | Dibblah: | Trust him. I think he probably knows better than you do ;) |
| [20:56:11] | mkrufky: | well, how to you define "independant project" |
| [20:56:17] | mkrufky: | it *is* an independant project |
| [20:56:37] | wagnerrp: | they interface with v4l, but they are not part of the v4l-dvb project |
| [20:56:46] | mkrufky: | well, thats just incorrect |
| [20:57:01] | mkrufky: | that was true back in the 2.6.12 days |
| [20:57:23] | mkrufky: | but since then, a generic v4l2 mpeg2 encoder api was created by the main ivtv maintainer |
| [20:57:28] | wagnerrp: | ok, ive not really researched it much further than what i need to install to get it working |
| [20:57:36] | mkrufky: | and now all the encoder drivers were converted to this new api |
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| [21:01:03] | Gimpy: | mkrufy , rebooted but still no tuner video |
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| [21:06:44] | Gimpy: | here is my frontend past from terminel (BE is running) http://rafb.net/p/fA7Cy083.html |
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| [21:11:33] | Gimpy: | need help , tv faild to start , not clear to error |
| [21:11:42] | slango: | well, I'm sorry to say it, but given how screwed up the world is, I'll probably just go with the Comcast/Tivo DVR once it's in my area |
| [21:12:00] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/fA7Cy083.html |
| [21:12:27] | iamlindoro_: | a) Stop repasting the same error |
| [21:12:32] | iamlindoro_: | b) frontend logs are useless |
| [21:13:22] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro, my backend is usules, i have to manualy start it even thaugh its added to default runlevel |
| [21:13:31] | iamlindoro_: | oh well |
| [21:13:43] | iamlindoro_: | doesn't change the fact that your problem isn't in the frontend, it's in the backend |
| [21:14:06] | Gimpy: | ianlindoro, even for watching tv? |
| [21:14:07] | iamlindoro_: | That's like going in to have someone look at your brain tumor and showing them an x-ray of your feet |
| [21:14:14] | iamlindoro_: | yes, especially for watching TV |
| [21:14:52] | iamlindoro_: | All That frontend log tells one is "Hey, I'm a non specific error saying recording has failed. Check the backend log, numbnuts!" |
| [21:14:58] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro, here my backend http://rafb.net/p/Su5S7f25.html |
| [21:15:16] | iamlindoro_: | *That* log says that you have multiple backend processes running |
| [21:15:26] | iamlindoro_: | and all it tells you is that it's the log for the one that failed |
| [21:15:58] | iamlindoro_: | So much for needing to manually start it |
| [21:16:15] | sutula: | ...or something else running on that port |
| [21:16:17] | iamlindoro_: | actually, I've given you far more help than I intended |
| [21:16:27] | iamlindoro_: | Your punishment for pasting the same shit over and over begins.... |
| [21:16:28] | iamlindoro_: | now |
| [21:16:53] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro_, if i don't maualy start it and just start mythfrontend i get error couldn't connect to master backend |
| [21:17:29] | iamlindoro_: | Gimpy: Just because it's not configured right doesn't mean it's not running |
| [21:17:43] | iamlindoro_: | again, not helping you, maybe later when you've learned IRC manners |
| [21:18:03] | sutula: | ps -ef | fgrep mythbackend |
| [21:18:53] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro, when do ps axwww it says its running, if i restarte it i get start-stop deamon interum |
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| [21:21:07] | Gimpy: | sutula, when i do that command (i have already stoped mythbackend , because of multiple backends started) i get http://rafb.net/p/WUG8Zl80.html |
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| [21:22:39] | sutula: | Gimpy: It's running then...so you need to figure out why the frontend can't connect to it. I'd suggest running the frontend in a terminal with debug options on and looking at what it spits out, as well as anything emitted by the backend to it's log file. |
| [21:23:25] | sutula: | ...and I'm not volunteering to debug it for you...just offering you suggestions on how to approach your problem |
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| [21:24:35] | Gimpy: | sutula, thats the output not verry helpful http://rafb.net/p/jRQ9aw90.html |
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| [21:27:19] | Gimpy: | sutula, running mythvfrontend -debug or --debug doen't give anythipg other then what i pasted |
| [21:28:16] | ** sutula gets "Invalid argument: --debug" ...odd :) ** | |
| [21:29:06] | iamlindoro_: | -v all |
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| [21:30:03] | adicarlo: | you can try connecting to port directly, e.g., 'telnet HOST 6543' |
| [21:31:30] | adicarlo: | if that doesn't work, but on host, the mythbackend process is running, you porbably are using a firewall or something |
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| [21:37:35] | Gimpy: | sutula,here is myth frontend http://rafb.net/p/dbR4sp97.html |
| [21:37:58] | Gimpy: | sutula, here is mythfrontend http://rafb.net/p/dbR4sp97.html |
| [21:38:47] | Gimpy: | it sux scrolling up and not realizing it |
| [21:39:10] | Gimpy: | brb 2 hours |
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| [21:43:56] | Anduin: | Gimpy: All that log shows is that the frontend is connecting, live TV is failing (why would be in the backend log, which will be longer than your paste, especially if you run it with -v channel,record) |
| [21:45:31] | ** sutula agrees with Anduin ...Gimpy: lines 808 to 829 ** | |
| [21:46:01] | ** sutula repeats that he has not volunteered to debug Gimpy's problem and will be leaving soon himself :) ** | |
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| [22:07:34] | Gimpy: | sutula, im back |
| [22:08:27] | Gimpy: | anduin, i pasted the backend right after the frontend, should i past again |
| [22:09:27] | Gimpy: | Anduin, sutula, heres the backend http://rafb.net/p/6Ij3jr13.html |
| [22:11:44] | Anduin: | Gimpy: that paste is new (wasn't in your last four), and is the long of you attempting to start a second backend, not the one generated when your frontend log was |
| [22:12:39] | Gimpy: | Anduin, correct i re-ran the backend and pasted |
| [22:13:04] | Anduin: | Which is useless... |
| [22:14:03] | Anduin: | Gimpy: If you don't have the running backend log going somewhere, always, you should work on that, then you could use timestamps from the frontend log to correlate |
| [22:14:08] | Gimpy: | Anduin, zap backend and run? |
| [22:15:45] | Anduin: | Gimpy: It is extremely likely your backend is logging the output already, just look for where (often in /var/log(/myth)) |
| [22:15:52] | Gimpy: | Anduin, the backend log is in /var/log/mythtv |
| [22:16:13] | Gimpy: | you want that log? |
| [22:16:35] | Anduin: | Gimpy: Probably not all of it, but around the time of your already pasted frontend log, yes |
| [22:16:55] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/OtGoOP90.html |
| [22:17:31] | Gimpy: | Anduin, it says no settings but i haven been thaugh setup severel times and know there are settings |
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| [22:17:46] | Anduin: | Gimpy: Yes, it is also saying it is from two days ago... |
| [22:18:13] | Gimpy: | that 1 day ago :-) |
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| [22:18:43] | Gimpy: | Anduin, what do you suggest |
| [22:19:59] | wagnerrp: | it said there were now settings yesterday when it refused to run altogether |
| [22:20:10] | wagnerrp: | that problem is now fixed, and the backend is now running |
| [22:20:13] | Anduin: | Logs from now, or almost now, it is the 10th here, and in your frontend log. If you can't find the log I'd recommend stopping the backend service, running it by hand with 'mythbackend -v channel,record -l reallogfile.log', then trying the frontend |
| [22:21:07] | wagnerrp: | you 'zapped' the init scripts while the backend was running, so now you keep trying to run the backend again, and it fails, because its trying to use the same ports as one that is already open |
| [22:21:08] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, yes and it keep trying to connect to backend and timing out while running (my guess as to why it takes 10–20 seconds for a process to happen |
| [22:21:23] | wagnerrp: | so kill the currently running backend, and start fresh |
| [22:21:43] | wagnerrp: | chances are with all this fiddling, something has changed |
| [22:21:52] | wagnerrp: | but those changes wont take effect until you restart the backend |
| [22:21:59] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, stop or zap |
| [22:22:04] | wagnerrp: | the init scripts will not work, because they dont think the backend is running |
| [22:22:16] | wagnerrp: | learn how to use linux (the command is 'kill') |
| [22:22:55] | Gimpy: | i just have an aversion to kill i gues :-) |
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| [22:27:18] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, killed backend |
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| [22:28:36] | wagnerrp: | run it again, use the init scripts, they provide some amount of verbosity, and hopefully enough to discover your problem |
| [22:28:43] | wagnerrp: | run the frontend, see if it works |
| [22:29:12] | wagnerrp: | if not, post the backend log |
| [22:29:22] | Gimpy: | ok run backend from init scripts and then run frontend.. doipg |
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| [22:31:29] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp, didn't work but the log hasn't changed either |
| [22:32:34] | wagnerrp: | if the backend runs, the log will change |
| [22:32:53] | wagnerrp: | so the init scripts are obviously currently hosed |
| [22:33:00] | wagnerrp: | one last check, see if the backend is running |
| [22:33:25] | Gimpy: | i manualy started the backend |
| [22:34:13] | wagnerrp: | thats why i told you to use the init scripts, if you manually start it, it does not know to log to that file |
| [22:34:45] | iamlindoro: | Never has a nick been more appropriate |
| [22:35:42] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro: that was the point of my nick :-+ |
| [22:36:31] | iamlindoro: | Next time you can come in as "SoDenseYouWillClawOutYourEyes" |
| [22:37:27] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro: no thats too much to type :-p |
| [22:38:07] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp , ok killed manule backend , using initscripts |
| [22:38:43] | dustybin: | tonight im going to convert my 1TB storage disk into LVM |
| [22:38:57] | HrdwrBoB: | Gimpy: is english your first language? |
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| [22:39:02] | dustybin: | is it possible to convert a disk into LVM without losing the data on it? |
| [22:39:04] | wagnerrp: | you cant kill the manual backend using the init scripts, because the init scripts dont know the PID of the manual backend |
| [22:39:05] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: no |
| [22:39:08] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: why? |
| [22:39:10] | dustybin: | ok |
| [22:39:41] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: if you have a relatively simple setup, lvm just complicates it for little to no gain |
| [22:39:48] | iamlindoro: | HrdwrBoB, Because dustybin is one of our resident "pick the most fucked up possible way to do things and do it" folks |
| [22:40:00] | HrdwrBoB: | ah excellent |
| [22:40:01] | dustybin: | HrdwrBoB: hmm |
| [22:40:15] | dustybin: | basically i have already partitioned my 1TB into 2 parts |
| [22:40:16] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: I suggest combining drbd, ATAoE, md and LVM |
| [22:40:24] | dustybin: | 512gig each partition |
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| [22:40:40] | directhex: | not quite |
| [22:40:42] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: no i didn't kill the manul with initscripts i killed the manual with kill , then restarting the backend with init scripts so it will log (as you said) |
| [22:40:43] | wagnerrp: | a 1TB drive will not get you 2 512GB partitions |
| [22:40:52] | dustybin: | well you know what i mean |
| [22:40:58] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: to what end |
| [22:41:01] | HrdwrBoB: | why did you partition it |
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| [22:41:14] | iamlindoro: | So he could sew it back up, of course! ;) |
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| [22:41:20] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: then post the logs |
| [22:41:22] | dustybin: | beause i have 2x external disks what are the size of each partition for backing up |
| [22:41:26] | directhex: | 466 GiB. |
| [22:41:47] | iamlindoro: | HrdwrBoB, Case in point ;) |
| [22:41:52] | dustybin: | so i can backup each partition onto 1 external drive, and the other partition on the other external drive |
| [22:41:58] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: your recorded shows are critical information? |
| [22:42:08] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: you couldn't somehow span the backup over the two drives |
| [22:42:12] | dustybin: | nope its not recorded shows, i dont backup my recordings drive |
| [22:42:13] | HrdwrBoB: | and .. not partition it? |
| [22:42:14] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: why not just copy files, rather than partition images? |
| [22:42:21] | directhex: | 1 TB is 931.322574615 GiB |
| [22:42:32] | dustybin: | lol you guys are nuts |
| [22:42:42] | directhex: | no really |
| [22:42:48] | iamlindoro: | Gosh, if only they made something that would allow one to put disks together... They could call it "Mirrored Disk Admin" |
| [22:42:51] | HrdwrBoB: | I have a single 3.5'tb' drive |
| [22:43:07] | HrdwrBoB: | I just put everything on there |
| [22:43:09] | wagnerrp: | a 1TB drive is 1000000000000 bytes, with some error |
| [22:43:14] | directhex: | 1 TiB is 1,000,000,000,000 bytes |
| [22:43:24] | HrdwrBoB: | it doesn't get backed up, because the most effective backup would be more drives |
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| [22:43:28] | clever: | directhex: 1tb is 1024 gigabits, though the guys selling the drive screw up the math with 1000 gig to make it sound bigger |
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| [22:43:41] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: no |
| [22:43:43] | wagnerrp: | a 1 TiB drive is 2^40 bytes |
| [22:43:46] | HrdwrBoB: | it's not 1024 gigabits |
| [22:43:53] | directhex: | 1 TiB is 1,099,511,627,776, a TB is 1,000,000,000,000 |
| [22:43:53] | HrdwrBoB: | if you're going to be precise, be precise |
| [22:43:59] | dustybin: | so really, i should of left the 1TB drive unpartitioned and created directories onto it |
| [22:44:02] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: the init scripts are completly hosed no loging accurred its the start-stop deamon that occurs when starting or restartip |
| [22:44:03] | directhex: | i used the wrong unit, sorry |
| [22:44:07] | clever: | directhex: ahh, that sounds better |
| [22:44:13] | sphery: | Wow... If only I had known years ago. It seems all you have to do to prove someone is wrong on the mythtv-users list is quote a message where you previously disagreed with that person about some completely different topic. |
| [22:44:22] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: should have, yes |
| [22:44:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Don't...get me... started. |
| [22:44:29] | HrdwrBoB: | sphery: didn't you know that? |
| [22:44:30] | directhex: | your drive is 1 TB, not 1 TiB |
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| [22:44:40] | HrdwrBoB: | directhex: except that's backwards |
| [22:44:44] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: ok, then manually tell it to log to a file 'mythbackend -vall -l/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend' |
| [22:44:50] | HrdwrBoB: | directhex: nobody in the real wold uses TiB |
| [22:45:02] | clever: | directhex: ive run into the same problem with my 320gig drive that turned out to be 290 |
| [22:45:07] | directhex: | HrdwrBoB, if people don't follow IEEE recommendations, that's not my problem |
| [22:45:07] | HrdwrBoB: | esp since the drive manufacturers overloaded the damn definitions to start with |
| [22:45:13] | dustybin: | HrdwrBoB: the simple way would of been to left it unpartitioned or use LVM, would there be any benefits of using LVM for a single disk for a home setup? |
| [22:45:23] | wagnerrp: | HrdwrBoB: anyone dealing with anything other than hard drive storage uses TiB |
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| [22:45:32] | wagnerrp: | hard drive manufacturers are the only group that use TB |
| [22:45:45] | HrdwrBoB: | wagnerrp: the use TiB as a measurement but they don't SAY TiB |
| [22:45:47] | clever: | wagnerrp: i perfer to allways use 1024 for the conversions |
| [22:45:47] | HrdwrBoB: | they say tb |
| [22:45:55] | sphery: | HrdwrBoB: Guess I have much to learn. (Turns out I'm wrong about the US HDTV transition, "not to mention dependably wrong on any MythTV-related issue related to the user interface or anything else that isn't purely related to code" |
| [22:46:14] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: only if you use it to take a snapshot which you use as a backup to guard against user error |
| [22:46:17] | HrdwrBoB: | other than that, WOFTAM |
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| [22:46:21] | wagnerrp: | HrdwrBoB: ok, i see what youre saying, i too would have to kick myself if i ever said 'tibibyte' |
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| [22:46:34] | HrdwrBoB: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [22:46:45] | directhex: | http://xkcd.com/394/ |
| [22:47:04] | dustybin: | this guide makes LVM look pretty easy: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| [22:47:30] | abqjp: | I need to figure out how to get AnyDVD or DVDFab to run under qemu (KVM). Or wait until vmware will actually install on a 2.6.26 kernel. |
| [22:47:36] | clever: | dustybin: i know lvm by memory |
| [22:47:49] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: just because it's easy |
| [22:47:53] | HrdwrBoB: | doesn't mean it will help |
| [22:47:54] | sphery: | I prefer to use "gibibytes" and "tebibytes" in conversations just to see the look on people's faces... |
| [22:47:58] | dustybin: | clever: thats because your clever |
| [22:48:04] | GreyFoxx: | abq 1.0.7 wont compile the kernel modules under 2.6.26 |
| [22:48:07] | GreyFoxx: | ? |
| [22:48:27] | GreyFoxx: | I've yet to install on anything newer than 2.6.24.x |
| [22:48:32] | HrdwrBoB: | dustybin: using LVM in your circumstances is a massively stupid waste of time, unless the excercise is "I want to learn LVM" |
| [22:48:34] | abqjp: | Not sure I tried 1.0.7. I grabbed what ever was "official". |
| [22:48:37] | clever: | ive also found out why 3 of my devices(2 desktops and a switch) are randomly rebooting and breaking my mythtv network up |
| [22:48:47] | dustybin: | HrdwrBoB: ok point taken :) |
| [22:48:48] | GreyFoxx: | abq: 1.0.7 is the latest vmware server on the ste |
| [22:48:50] | GreyFoxx: | site |
| [22:48:59] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: i started using lvm on a single 20gig partition and 1 LV |
| [22:49:06] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: which would seem useless |
| [22:49:18] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: yes, it does |
| [22:49:24] | clever: | but it was trivial to inflate that LV into 3 more drives as i baught them |
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| [22:49:40] | abqjp: | GreyFoxx: right, that is what I tried. Building it's modules failed miserably. |
| [22:50:00] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: you don't like cp? or dd? |
| [22:50:07] | dustybin: | clever: if you had a 1TB disk, would you LVM it? |
| [22:50:19] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: i have also since put root and swap on lvm in some of my new installs |
| [22:50:40] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: it was then trivial to space from 1 lv to inflate the root volume |
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| [22:50:43] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: well, to be fair, my server at home has LVM system drive |
| [22:50:55] | HrdwrBoB: | and non LVM storage |
| [22:50:58] | clever: | dustybin: yes, i would pvcreate and vgexpand into it and just make it part of my existing lvm array |
| [22:51:03] | HrdwrBoB: | the storage is directly on md0 |
| [22:51:20] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: i have root and storage on the same lvm volume group |
| [22:51:44] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: when root got low on space, i simply made some room on the 'storage' volume and then resized things to donate that space to root |
| [22:52:00] | HrdwrBoB: | why did root get low on space? |
| [22:52:17] | clever: | i made it ~2.5gig and it just wasnt big enough for all the installed packages and /home |
| [22:52:29] | HrdwrBoB: | so you didn't need LVM |
| [22:52:35] | HrdwrBoB: | just to plan better :) |
| [22:52:50] | clever: | i cant see the future:P |
| [22:52:55] | HrdwrBoB: | I can |
| [22:52:59] | clever: | and lvm lets me resize it afterwards |
| [22:53:11] | HrdwrBoB: | my system drive is a 20gb piece of crap IDE drive |
| [22:53:16] | clever: | the main system im using has 50gig used for root |
| [22:53:17] | HrdwrBoB: | storage is 8x500gb SATA |
| [22:53:33] | clever: | its clearly not all packages but the layout is such a mess it would be hard to seperate it when totaling up |
| [22:53:56] | clever: | i have another system with ~2gig for root and it is painfull |
| [22:54:04] | HrdwrBoB: | yes |
| [22:54:07] | HrdwrBoB: | because it's insufficient |
| [22:54:10] | clever: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [22:54:11] | clever: | /dev/sda3 2.3G 2.1G 108M 96% / |
| [22:54:12] | HrdwrBoB: | drives are $cheap |
| [22:54:15] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: am i missing somehing? mythbackend -vall -l/var/log/mythtv/mythbackend – give me invalid options mythbackend -vall /var/log/mythtv/backend doesn't log |
| [22:54:22] | clever: | i was in a rush when i made that system |
| [22:54:33] | dustybin: | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| [22:54:33] | dustybin: | /dev/hda2 4.0G 1.1G 2.8G 27% / |
| [22:54:34] | clever: | i moved some crap out of a fat32 partition and wedged ubuntu in the free space |
| [22:54:50] | iamlindoro: | You're missing The space bar |
| [22:55:08] | dustybin: | clever> i moved some crap out of a fat32 partition and wedged ubuntu in the free space |
| [22:55:12] | dustybin: | O_o |
| [22:55:13] | HrdwrBoB: | fat32 on the same machine? |
| [22:55:14] | HrdwrBoB: | ugh |
| [22:55:18] | iamlindoro: | which is not surprising given the atrocious english |
| [22:55:25] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro: where am i missing space |
| [22:55:25] | HrdwrBoB: | I just have my stuff organised :) |
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| [22:55:32] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: it was a windows 98 box but i needed to throw together a linux system fast |
| [22:55:34] | iamlindoro: | between the options and their arguments, duh |
| [22:55:46] | clever: | the win98 still exists there even though i havent used it in months |
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| [22:55:51] | iamlindoro: | mythbackend -v all -l /some/probably/misspelled/logfilename |
| [22:56:00] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro: fyi – i'm blind |
| [22:56:01] | dustybin: | wtf is win98 used? |
| [22:56:13] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: MONTHS!? |
| [22:56:13] | clever: | dustybin: not anymore |
| [22:56:15] | iamlindoro: | then you need a radio program |
| [22:56:18] | tjcarter: | isn't that my line? |
| [22:56:21] | dustybin: | thats a bit like saying "come and get me, im wide open" |
| [22:56:36] | HrdwrBoB: | End of support for Windows 98 and Windows Me |
| [22:56:36] | HrdwrBoB: | July 11, 2006 will bring a close to Extended Support for Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Me as part of the Microsoft Lifecycle Policy. Microsoft will retire public and technical support, including security updates, by this date. |
| [22:56:48] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: yes i know |
| [22:57:00] | clever: | im planning to move the whole partition out and reclaim the space for root |
| [22:57:03] | HrdwrBoB: | perhaps it's time to update |
| [22:57:05] | dustybin: | there have been 2352357235233532 exploits for win98 since july 2006 |
| [22:57:25] | clever: | dustybin: which dont mean shit if the partition hasnt even been mounted in ages:P |
| [22:57:41] | clever: | i dont plan to boot it ever again |
| [22:57:45] | HrdwrBoB: | I would suggest: dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/windows-partition |
| [22:57:52] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: you said months |
| [22:57:56] | clever: | theres still data on there that i want to use |
| [22:58:00] | HrdwrBoB: | if by months you mean over two years |
| [22:58:04] | HrdwrBoB: | why? for gods sake why |
| [22:58:11] | HrdwrBoB: | put your data somewhere sensivle |
| [22:58:13] | HrdwrBoB: | sensible |
| [22:58:22] | HrdwrBoB: | it sounds like your home systems are all a total disaster |
| [22:58:24] | clever: | that was the sensible place to put it back when i used the system:P |
| [22:58:43] | iamlindoro: | He's still using ancient computers, might as well use archaic crap OSes |
| [22:58:51] | clever: | i beleive its a P2 system |
| [22:58:59] | clever: | its now my master mythtv backend |
| [22:58:59] | HrdwrBoB: | ok |
| [22:59:02] | HrdwrBoB: | throw it in the bin |
| [22:59:26] | dustybin: | clever: your mind is on toooo many things, dispose everything you dont use and FOCUS |
| [22:59:57] | clever: | dustybin: im planning to shutdown the pentium 133mhz with 64mb ram and a 2.4 kernel |
| [22:59:58] | jblack: | clever: These are not the irrelevant details you are looking for. |
| [23:00:06] | clever: | i just need to get all my services out of it |
| [23:00:15] | ** jblack waves his hand in a creepy manner. ** | |
| [23:00:22] | clever: | i have older things to get rid of before the P2 |
| [23:00:41] | dustybin: | clever: all you need is 1 desktop, 1 laptop, 1 server, bin everything else |
| [23:00:59] | clever: | dustybin: i have 5 desktops and 2 laptops running right now |
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| [23:01:10] | HrdwrBoB: | I threw out everything in my house that was older than the A64 3200+ which I now don't have a use for anyway |
| [23:01:16] | clever: | dustybin: 1 is dedicated to all the windows crap i have to run |
| [23:01:19] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro: not completly |
| [23:01:29] | clever: | dustybin: the rest are random services i run and mythtv |
| [23:01:37] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: random services? |
| [23:01:45] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: that can't be run on the same machine? |
| [23:02:00] | HrdwrBoB: | how many 'random services' do you need in your house |
| [23:02:03] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: that outgrew the cpu power of a 133mhz and got moved into the new 1.6ghz |
| [23:02:10] | dustybin: | random services for a random mind :P |
| [23:02:15] | clever: | and the older ones i havent moved out of the 133mhz yet |
| [23:02:39] | HrdwrBoB: | I literally cannot remember the last time I used a pentium 1 or 2 class machine |
| [23:03:05] | clever: | my pentium 1 is on its way out, it somehow eats the bearings in every cpu fan i attach |
| [23:03:14] | HrdwrBoB: | oh my god surprise |
| [23:04:30] | HrdwrBoB: | something 10 years old is wearing out |
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| [23:04:55] | clever: | the hard to understand part, is how its wearing out 'new' parts faster and faster |
| [23:05:22] | iamlindoro: | over 10 years easy I believe |
| [23:05:23] | HrdwrBoB: | because the entire machine is filled with dust |
| [23:05:28] | HrdwrBoB: | because you have never cleaned it |
| [23:05:41] | HrdwrBoB: | and the bearings get dust in them and sieze |
| [23:05:44] | clever: | HrdwrBoB: the case is actualy cleaner then the P4 system i have upstairs |
| [23:06:03] | iamlindoro: | clever is the reason my children will live in domes |
| [23:06:07] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: mythbackend -v all -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend |
| [23:06:08] | clever: | lol |
| [23:06:14] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: mythbackend -v all -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend |
| [23:06:27] | iamlindoro: | stoooooooop repeating yoursellllffff |
| [23:06:53] | iamlindoro: | slow the fuck down so that you don't make so many types and don't accidentally keep repasting stuff it's getting *really* old |
| [23:06:59] | iamlindoro: | er typos (har har) |
| [23:07:33] | HrdwrBoB: | clever: perhaps take some time out |
| [23:07:38] | HrdwrBoB: | and throw out old crap you don't need |
| [23:07:38] | Gimpy: | iamlindoro: you work a 7 key keyboard and a mouse and try it, ... you'll see ieh pat ehat easy |
| [23:07:44] | HrdwrBoB: | and reorganise your stuff |
| [23:08:03] | iamlindoro: | SLOW DOWN THEN |
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| [23:09:18] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: what i was saying was that cammand was to sending anything to mythbacend.log, i even tried add .log to the end of mythbackend |
| [23:09:26] | GreyFoxx: | doh had a firewire recording fail today. |
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| [23:16:22] | HrdwrBoB: | gah |
| [23:16:26] | HrdwrBoB: | people are stupid |
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| [23:26:16] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: (for the most part) linux programs dont care about file extensions |
| [23:26:34] | wagnerrp: | the '-l' flag just tells it which file to dump the ascii output to |
| [23:27:12] | wagnerrp: | the actual filename and extension are irrelevant, so long as they are supported by the file system and writable by the user |
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| [23:28:34] | wagnerrp: | HrdwrBoB: the last time i used a p1 was about 5 years ago, when i cycled a p3 into its place as my firewall/router |
| [23:29:53] | HrdwrBoB: | ugh |
| [23:29:57] | HrdwrBoB: | you're using a PC as a router |
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| [23:30:15] | HrdwrBoB: | though I shouldn't be surprised |
| [23:30:28] | HrdwrBoB: | my WRT54G has no fans, no noise, no moving parts |
| [23:30:32] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i cant afford/justify the price of nice business grade equipment |
| [23:30:43] | wagnerrp: | and the wrt54g is a POS in terms of capability |
| [23:30:49] | HrdwrBoB: | er |
| [23:30:51] | HrdwrBoB: | how so? |
| [23:31:12] | wagnerrp: | it has no storage and no memory |
| [23:31:19] | wagnerrp: | you really have to cram shit in there |
| [23:31:19] | HrdwrBoB: | it has 32mb |
| [23:31:22] | HrdwrBoB: | so? |
| [23:31:26] | HrdwrBoB: | it's a firewall/router |
| [23:31:28] | wagnerrp: | the originals maybe |
| [23:31:28] | HrdwrBoB: | what does it need |
| [23:31:32] | HrdwrBoB: | anything else runs on your server |
| [23:31:37] | HrdwrBoB: | well, mine is a WRT54GS |
| [23:31:50] | HrdwrBoB: | but there's plenty of equivalent devices in the market |
| [23:31:51] | wagnerrp: | plus my firewall doesnt run linux anyway |
| [23:32:56] | HrdwrBoB: | and obviously you need a very powerful complicated firewall |
| [23:33:13] | HrdwrBoB: | for your random services |
| [23:33:21] | wagnerrp: | at a minimum, it supports my USB-attached UPS |
| [23:33:29] | wagnerrp: | cant say the same about any WRTs |
| [23:34:08] | HrdwrBoB: | except an embedded device would run for more than five minutes off said ups |
| [23:34:22] | wagnerrp: | i get about an hour and a half on battery |
| [23:34:47] | wagnerrp: | just a middling APC unit |
| [23:35:14] | HrdwrBoB: | you need to take a step back |
| [23:35:22] | HrdwrBoB: | from your entire technical infrastructure |
| [23:35:24] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: it looks like the problem is for whatever reson, the fronend is timing out |
| [23:35:26] | HrdwrBoB: | and rethink it from the ground up |
| [23:35:44] | HrdwrBoB: | "I need this" |
| [23:35:47] | HrdwrBoB: | why do you need it |
| [23:35:52] | HrdwrBoB: | what does it provide |
| [23:35:59] | HrdwrBoB: | how could it be done better/more effeciently |
| [23:36:26] | wagnerrp: | im sure it could be done more efficiently, but a wrt wouldnt cut it |
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| [23:37:10] | wagnerrp: | Gimpy: you still havent posted any sort of backend log |
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| [23:38:12] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: the command you gave me., i believe i copied it leter for letter but never sent anything to mythbackend.log |
| [23:38:35] | HrdwrBoB: | wagnerrp: wouldn't cut what |
| [23:38:38] | wagnerrp: | it wouldnt have sent anything to mythbackend.log, it would have sent it to mythbackend |
| [23:38:46] | HrdwrBoB: | http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Linksys_WRTSL54GS |
| [23:38:52] | wagnerrp: | would not be sufficient for what i want it to do |
| [23:38:52] | HrdwrBoB: | looks like that WRT does USB |
| [23:38:58] | HrdwrBoB: | what do you want it to do |
| [23:39:22] | wagnerrp: | run PF (i have no desire to learn IP tables) |
| [23:39:39] | HrdwrBoB: | iptables is trivial |
| [23:39:47] | HrdwrBoB: | unless you have some kind of head injury |
| [23:39:49] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: well if it sent it to mythbackend then it is probably still ehere i was looking at mythbackend.log |
| [23:40:00] | wagnerrp: | /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend |
| [23:40:40] | wagnerrp: | run snort (intrusion detection) |
| [23:41:18] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: there isn't a file mythbackend only mythbackend.lag |
| [23:41:44] | jackson__: | ...opinions and assholes :) |
| [23:42:03] | wagnerrp: | if you ran that command, there should have been that file |
| [23:42:16] | wagnerrp: | unless youre running it as the wrong user |
| [23:42:28] | wagnerrp: | you should be running it as user 'mythtv' |
| [23:43:16] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: this is the command, running it as user mythbackend -v all /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend |
| [23:43:49] | wagnerrp: | running it as user mythbackend? |
| [23:44:19] | jackson__: | Gimpy, did you leave out the -l param? |
| [23:44:26] | Gimpy: | yes, and i even did it sudo'd and got the same results |
| [23:45:15] | Gimpy: | wagnerrp: mythbackend -v all -l /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend |
| [23:45:24] | wagnerrp: | that is the correct command |
| [23:45:35] | wagnerrp: | but youre supposed to be running as 'mythtv', not 'mythbackend' |
| [23:45:36] | Gimpy: | put a buch of crap to the screen but never made backend |
| [23:45:48] | wagnerrp: | although user mythbackend probably does not exist (unless you created it) |
| [23:45:52] | HrdwrBoB: | wagnerrp: http://www.pcengines.ch/order1.php?c=4 |
| [23:46:00] | wagnerrp: | also, sudo defaults to running as root, not mythtv |
| [23:46:19] | wagnerrp: | and although that should have worked, its not ideal because it will break things when you go back to running as 'mythtv' |
| [23:46:22] | HrdwrBoB: | cheapish devices you can run openbsd on |
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| [23:47:35] | Gimpy: | should i past my screenoutput then, no matter what i try i can't seem to create mythbackend |
| [23:47:45] | wagnerrp: | HrdwrBoB: ive actually looked at those boxes before (the WRAP ones to be specific) |
| [23:47:56] | wagnerrp: | ive just not gotten around to doing anything about it |
| [23:48:07] | HrdwrBoB: | WRAP is EOL now |
| [23:49:38] | wagnerrp: | well ive not looked at them recently |
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| [23:55:23] | dustybin: | Alix ftw |
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