| Tuesday, September 9th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:44] | SerajewelKS: | the fact that myth sometimes runs on the other core doesn't seem to impact input processing it all |
| [00:01:52] | SerajewelKS: | i'm still not sure why X would be using 75% cpu when displaying 1280x1024 video |
| [00:02:29] | Striker: | that's really weird... |
| [00:02:40] | Dagmar: | Turn on UseEvents |
| [00:02:41] | Striker: | aren't there different draw methods for the guide? |
| [00:02:46] | Dagmar: | It's mentioned in the nVidia driver readme for a reason |
| [00:03:01] | Dagmar: | ...and NO don't just throw that token in there somewhere without reading hte readme. I will not explain it again to anyone ever. |
| [00:03:18] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: heh, i have not looked at the readme since setting up the driver some years ago |
| [00:03:22] | Dagmar: | It will, however, seriously reduce CPU load resulting from XvMC. |
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| [00:03:43] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: They've made a lot of changes and additions. There's that and one other option that is only *sometiems* handy |
| [00:03:58] | Dagmar: | I try to read it through about once a year just to catch up |
| [00:05:01] | abarber: | Dagmar: i am trying to play the 1080p trailers i got from apple yesterday, but they struggle in myth and won't play with audio in vlc |
| [00:05:06] | SerajewelKS: | hmm, looks interesting. which other option were you referring to? |
| [00:05:39] | Dagmar: | abarber: Welcome to "h264-encoded media is a spiteful bitch to play under Linux" |
| [00:05:56] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: Since it wasn't useful for me, I can't remember what it was |
| [00:05:58] | Dagmar: | hehe |
| [00:06:17] | abarber: | haha |
| [00:06:19] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: nods, makes sense. we'll see if this one does the trick. |
| [00:06:21] | Dagmar: | UseEvents tho is a pretty serious switch between what amounts to the differnece between using a spinlock and watching for an IRQ |
| [00:06:23] | abarber: | is there any hope? |
| [00:06:48] | SerajewelKS: | yeah, spinlocks are not very efficient |
| [00:06:52] | Dagmar: | abarber: Actually yes but that's 2–3 months away. In the meantime there's this thing called a skiploopfilter patch that might help |
| [00:07:00] | Dagmar: | h264 uses CRAPTONS of CPU power |
| [00:07:22] | Dagmar: | ...partly because there's a final phase of decoding that fills in all the little bitty details (I am somewhat simplifying here mind you) |
| [00:07:36] | abarber: | sure |
| [00:07:42] | Dagmar: | You can actually turn that phase off, and lose some image quality, but then playback can be done with a 2.2Ghz core CPU |
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| [00:08:01] | abarber: | it seems odd that it doesn't struggle with the video, but rather, with the audio instead |
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| [00:09:58] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: restarted X, i don't know if that option already is having an effect or if most of the startup disk reads were cache hits, but X started much faster and my desktop environment did too |
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| [00:10:08] | Dagmar: | That's probably cache |
| [00:10:38] | Dagmar: | When XvMC is being used and worked hard, you should see much less CPU load with that option on |
| [00:10:52] | SerajewelKS: | ugh nope, X still reaching 100% of one core |
| [00:10:55] | abarber: | oh, and i'll add this as well...mkv files are playing fine, but .mov's struggle |
| [00:11:15] | Dagmar: | abarber: About all you can do is keep pounding on the ffmpeg libs |
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| [00:11:47] | Dagmar: | Differently encoded media is going to play better or worse depending on all sorts of strange variables, but mainly how well the individual codec works |
| [00:11:59] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: would pastebinning my xorg.conf be helpful? |
| [00:12:02] | Dagmar: | MythTV actually has very little to do with that, aside from thsat |
| [00:12:07] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: Maybe but doubtful |
| [00:12:18] | SerajewelKS: | ok, then what would be the next thing to examine? |
| [00:12:21] | Dagmar: | Mostly Myth just resynchs to trunk ffmpeg every so ofte |
| [00:12:24] | Dagmar: | n |
| [00:12:36] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: What kind of media you're tyring to play |
| [00:12:49] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: live hdtv |
| [00:12:57] | Blaksmith: | ok, this is a new error ... libexpat is crashing when being called from svn ... |
| [00:12:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah that's going to be a bitch always |
| [00:13:07] | SerajewelKS: | totem can play full-screen and X uses 3% |
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| [00:13:20] | Dagmar: | What mechanism is totem using tho |
| [00:13:30] | Blaksmith: | even when trying to emerge the .20.2 ... same .. and the line above it is something about svn address changing or something |
| [00:13:37] | Dagmar: | It's beginning to sound to me like maybe you're NOT getting XvMC involved in playback or something |
| [00:13:37] | SerajewelKS: | presumably xv |
| [00:13:49] | SerajewelKS: | that's entirely possible |
| [00:13:54] | Dagmar: | blacksmith:... |
| [00:13:57] | Dagmar: | 1. There is no 0.20.2 |
| [00:14:00] | chrissss: | hi, does anybody know why X CPU using goes up to 98% with dvb-s sometimes? |
| [00:14:05] | Dagmar: | 2. Problems emerging it should be taken to #Gentoo |
| [00:14:15] | Dagmar: | 3. MythTV doesn't write libexpat, either. |
| [00:14:23] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: would that be something i could check in the myth settings? |
| [00:14:54] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: Yep. UNder the playback settings you may have noticed a screen with rows of really arcane stuff about resolutions >= <= and codecs |
| [00:14:59] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: They're all insane. |
| [00:15:13] | SerajewelKS: | yes, i recall that |
| [00:15:24] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: Try a different one, OR just make a new one with one codec listed so you can be ccertain of what codec is being used |
| [00:15:34] | Blaksmith: | Latest version available: 0.20.2_p15634 .... looks like it is there ... I was going to do 0.21 (with the unmasking etc... ) .. did the unmask, and 0.21 gave the same error ... |
| [00:15:54] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: based on this it should be using XvMC |
| [00:16:05] | Blaksmith: | so I tried the one that it wanted to update to without the unmasking ... just to see |
| [00:16:56] | Blaksmith: | checking something to make sure my portage isn't broken .. |
| [00:17:06] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: See, that's why I say they're insane |
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| [00:17:25] | Dagmar: | They're _really_ complex to try and look at and be sure what's happening |
| [00:18:02] | Dagmar: | This would be a good time to mention that if you've been trying to use MPLayer instead of the Internal player, all bets are off |
| [00:18:46] | Blaksmith: | Dagmar, another package is installing fine... it is what I"m suspecting ... for some reason, the svn where the packages USED to be, are no longer there, that's why it complained ... so therefore it IS a "mythtv" issue ... not a gentoo issue |
| [00:19:26] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: i don't have mplayer installed |
| [00:21:17] | Dagmar: | Blaksmith: MythTV didn't make the gentoo ebuild |
| [00:21:30] | Dagmar: | So again, any problems you have with emerging it are between you and Gentoo |
| [00:22:03] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: i forced it to use XvMC and use opengl for all rendering, still stuck at 100% |
| [00:22:20] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: Hmm... I've got nothing that I can put a finger on right now. |
| [00:22:31] | Dagmar: | Cold medicine makes my brain too squishy |
| [00:22:43] | SerajewelKS: | well thanks for trying |
| [00:22:48] | Dagmar: | hopefully iamlindoro or wagnerrp will float through soon |
| [00:22:56] | Dagmar: | or kormoc |
| [00:23:01] | Dagmar: | They might be able to think of something specific to prof |
| [00:23:05] | Dagmar: | s/prof/prod/; |
| [00:23:13] | abarber: | dagmar: is libquicktime worth a damn? |
| [00:23:33] | Dagmar: | abarber: When your options are not watching the content at all? |
| [00:24:22] | Dagmar: | abarber: This is one of those cases where if you just HAVE to have certain types of content played back, you might want to try going with a maintstream distro that has people who can obsess over making codecs work well |
| [00:24:45] | Dagmar: | Ubuntu being a good place to start |
| [00:25:00] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: something seems really odd because i used to get really good performance... i dunno what it could be though, there are a lot of possibilities |
| [00:25:06] | Dagmar: | There is seldom ever a quick fix to a codec slowness issue |
| [00:25:30] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: I'm assuming you've got at least a 2Ghz cored CPU |
| [00:25:44] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: amd64 2.6ghz x2 |
| [00:25:47] | Dagmar: | If this is MPEG video, XvMC should "just do it" |
| [00:26:00] | Dagmar: | If it's h.264 you're just kinda screwed for now tho |
| [00:26:05] | SerajewelKS: | X is using 100% no matter what codec i use |
| [00:26:16] | Dagmar: | For all videos played? |
| [00:26:19] | SerajewelKS: | i don't need to restart the frontend, do i? |
| [00:26:27] | SerajewelKS: | for live tv |
| [00:26:27] | Dagmar: | Hell, if it's acting that weird it can't hurt |
| [00:26:44] | SerajewelKS: | the video is not choppy at all though |
| [00:26:54] | SerajewelKS: | which makes me think something is just stuck in a loop or something |
| [00:27:06] | Dagmar: | Yeah, UseEvents should have fixed any kind of that |
| [00:27:47] | weevilofdoom: | fixed my color issue |
| [00:28:20] | weevilofdoom: | http://www.cyberpunkcafe.com/page.php?38 |
| [00:28:23] | weevilofdoom: | doing that |
| [00:29:46] | Dagmar: | You didn't try forcing output to svideo in the xorg.conf? |
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| [00:30:31] | weevilofdoom: | i was doing that ... |
| [00:30:39] | Dagmar: | Wow bizarre |
| [00:30:42] | weevilofdoom: | indeed |
| [00:30:43] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: i wonder if this is the issue: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/242086 |
| [00:31:18] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: hrm, nm that's UseEvents |
| [00:31:44] | weevilofdoom: | however, now that i've switched to using my tv, i get a mostly green screen with scrambles at the top.. so i got some digging to do on that |
| [00:32:13] | Dagmar: | Something is buggered wit that card |
| [00:32:25] | Dagmar: | I've used s-video out on _several_ different nVidia cards. |
| [00:32:50] | weevilofdoom: | well, videos and visualizations all work fine – just tv that doesn't show up correctly |
| [00:32:52] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: i take it back. turning off xvideo sync-to-vblank as that thread suggested fixed it perfectly. |
| [00:33:02] | Dagmar: | Pretty much the only thing I ever had to do was set the vertical refresh to 60Hz (because that's what TVs in the US require) and the resolution to 1024x768 or 800x600 (depending on my mood and how old the card was) |
| [00:33:07] | SerajewelKS: | myth consuming ~30% and X ~10% |
| [00:33:23] | SerajewelKS: | i get some nice tearing though |
| [00:33:23] | Dagmar: | Nice |
| [00:33:54] | Dagmar: | weevilofdoom: so if you're getting garbledy video playback but the other screens look okay, disable XvMC entirely for a bit |
| [00:34:12] | weevilofdoom: | that's just in the myth settings, ya? |
| [00:35:07] | Dagmar: | SerajewelKS: By the way, if you're dealing with something that's already going to be in sync with the refresh on your display, ,you don't have to even bother with vblank synching, particularly if you have an LCD display |
| [00:35:22] | Dagmar: | weevilofdoom: yeah, it's easy enough to disable it there |
| [00:35:36] | SerajewelKS: | Dagmar: well, i turned on myth's "use opengl vblank sync for timing" and i think the tearing is gone |
| [00:35:50] | Dagmar: | Gotta have a smoke |
| [00:37:14] | SerajewelKS: | of course, now everything else xv is tearing :/ |
| [00:38:07] | Blaksmith: | well, either way, my MythTV is fubar .... looks like I will have to install via source, rather than emerge, if I want to get it to work again ... |
| [00:38:38] | Blaksmith: | because now the installed one says no recording devices ... /sigh/ |
| [00:40:24] | Blaksmith: | at least I can watch what was recorded |
| [00:41:45] | weevilofdoom: | either that didn't help, or i did it wrong :P |
| [00:45:20] | weevilofdoom: | it may in fact be my cable/capture card ... |
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| [00:48:40] | Lexridge: | Does anyone know if exists a HDMI/Component to QAM/RF converter box? |
| [00:49:10] | Lexridge: | A "black" box like this could certainly solve a lot of problems ;) |
| [00:49:42] | Gimpy: | hi all, does anyone know if the hauppaug 1600 card works with the ivtv drivers yet, last i saw it was still in beta? |
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| [00:52:07] | Lexridge: | Gimpy: The 1600 card drivers are now part of of the standard kernel releases. I believe 1600 supports ivtv. |
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| [00:55:48] | weevilofdoom: | well allll right, was just bad coax |
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| [01:00:09] | Lexridge: | Gimpy: from my dmesg: cx18–0: DVB Frontend registered |
| [01:01:19] | Dagmar: | Only partial support IIRC |
| [01:03:13] | Gimpy: | lexride, so the 1600 does work with ivtv drivers?, i may need some help setting up mythtv with scredulers direct last time i was able to get a lineup but for some reason the guide data would not populate |
| [01:05:37] | Gimpy: | I have eneerd my user ida and password and hit retrieve linup up but all that i get in consolais "gesture: up" |
| [01:08:12] | Lexridge: | Gimpy: I had some serious problems with Schedules Direct when I first started messing around with myth, but it all comes down to a proper card configuration. That was my problem at least. |
| [01:08:37] | Gimpy: | need help my lineup isnt populating, linting grabber: NorthaAmerlca (schedul userID: <id name> pahsword:&password> |
| [01:08:51] | Gimpy: | lexride my card is hmppauge 150 |
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| [01:09:18] | Lexridge: | Gimpy: I've not had at 150. Just a 350 and a 1600. |
| [01:09:24] | Gimpy: | my capture carmis seen as V4L:/dev/v4l/video0 |
| [01:09:49] | Gimpy: | the 150 and 350 are the same when it comes to setup, |
| [01:10:01] | Gimpy: | brb |
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| [01:10:06] | Lexridge: | I would imagine so. |
| [01:11:04] | fuxxy: | I've got a 150 |
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| [01:11:21] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: What partial support does it have? |
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| [01:14:32] | mzb_d800: | SerajewelKS: have you experimented with XvMC and deinterlace settings? |
| [01:15:33] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: Partial support. |
| [01:15:54] | Dagmar: | Either i'm wrong or you can look it up |
| [01:17:28] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: I believe you are correct. However, I'm just not sure exactly what ivtv is apparently. |
| [01:17:50] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: I was confusing it with dvb |
| [01:18:10] | Dagmar: | S'okay |
| [01:18:27] | Dagmar: | If I could remember more details, I'd have given 'em |
| [01:18:46] | Lexridge: | dagmar: of course. :) |
| [01:22:02] | Gimpy: | fuxxy, you got a 150? |
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| [01:22:51] | Gimpy: | can you help me, last time i had this running it wms on fedora and that i could get the channle line up but would not populate guide now i cant get the lineup |
| [01:28:56] | fuxxy: | Gimpy, that happened to me, but honestly I forgot what I did |
| [01:29:05] | fuxxy: | I think it was related to my db |
| [01:29:25] | fuxxy: | permissions or something |
| [01:29:52] | Gimpy: | fuxxy i keep geetipg error 500 when i try to retrieve linup |
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| [01:30:36] | Gimpy: | and shouldn't i be able to change the dropdown that s is for data direct linup: on the viedo source setup page? my mouse disappears |
| [01:31:00] | fuxxy: | I wonder if those are HTTP errors. |
| [01:31:30] | fuxxy: | Gimpy, I belive so |
| [01:31:34] | Gimpy: | you want a screenshot of any page |
| [01:31:42] | Gimpy: | yes they are http errors |
| [01:31:50] | fuxxy: | I'm not that educated :) |
| [01:32:16] | Gimpy: | whats an edu-ma-ka-shun :-) |
| [01:33:58] | Dagmar: | Dear lunatic children, |
| [01:33:58] | Dagmar: | Perhaps if you were the type of self-proclaimed anarchists who didn't believe in attempting to deceive other people and believed firmly in not engaging in acts of wanton destruction, you'd stand a chance of winning the media "war". |
| [01:33:58] | Dagmar: | As people who you call your friends are gassed, beaten, and arrested while attempting to hold a peaceful protest, you guys are merrily celebrating the acts of petty vandalism and disruption that without fail gives the people who you claim to be your enemies the excuse to come down on your friends hard. Stroking your own egos and celebrating the fact that you can get away with doing something useless and stupid and then hiding in a crowd, it seems |
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| [01:34:02] | Gimpy: | does anyone got any idea's here |
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| [01:34:28] | Dagmar: | I am going to strangle reaking XP |
| [01:34:32] | Dagmar: | Actually, I think I'll go kill an AD admin for starters |
| [01:35:05] | Maliuta: | windows and sysadmin don't belong in the same sentence |
| [01:35:16] | Dagmar: | Don't I know it |
| [01:35:29] | Dagmar: | They have roaming profiles enabled here, but they *screw up* |
| [01:35:36] | Dagmar: | I can't get them to turn that crap off. |
| [01:35:57] | Dagmar: | Lately, it's taken to screwing with my PuTTY settings, since that's stored in the registry, which gets punted into "crazy-space" |
| [01:36:41] | Dagmar: | So I right-click for a menu and SUPRISE something set PuTTY to compromise mode, causing a pasteflood |
| [01:37:54] | mzb_d800: | stop using windows? (I can't think of a better excuse;)) |
| [01:38:13] | Dagmar: | I would, but... |
| [01:38:33] | Dagmar: | I was lucky to let them give me local admin access so I could at least unbreak the damn workstations here. |
| [01:38:34] | mzb_d800: | your life depends on M$? |
| [01:38:42] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [01:38:42] | Dagmar: | No, but the other people in the office do |
| [01:38:50] | Gimpy: | --20:37:06-- http://webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadir . . . /xtvdService => `-' |
| [01:38:54] | Gimpy: | Resolving webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com... 206.18.98.175 |
| [01:38:56] | Gimpy: | Connecting to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com|206.18.98.175|:80... connected. |
| [01:38:59] | Gimpy: | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized |
| [01:39:14] | mzb_d800: | bad user+pass? |
| [01:39:15] | Dagmar: | I have less trouble with my machines at home, when I'm rebuilding GNOME and literally nothing is working but the barest of X than I get out of the WinXP stuff here |
| [01:39:28] | Dagmar: | It always says 401 on the first pass. |
| [01:39:31] | Blaksmith: | ok, build worked fine using src ... ran backend, backed up the db, and tried to upgrade .... and failed... . |
| [01:39:43] | Dagmar: | Immediately after it should have a non-401 response or you DID get the user/pass wrong. |
| [01:39:58] | Blaksmith: | Database error was: |
| [01:39:58] | Blaksmith: | Duplicate column name 'audioprop' |
| [01:40:06] | Dagmar: | Blaksmith: You made backups of the recordings you'd like to keep, right? |
| [01:40:30] | Dagmar: | ...or at least a backup of the whole database before you started the upgrade, right> |
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| [01:40:51] | Blaksmith: | I can still run the older version and watch |
| [01:41:01] | Dagmar: | Not anymore. |
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| [01:41:31] | Dagmar: | Your database will be in a screwy state now. |
| [01:42:10] | Blaksmith: | testing ... |
| [01:42:43] | Dagmar: | Oh don't take my word for it |
| [01:42:54] | Blaksmith: | yes, I can still watch with the old version |
| [01:43:13] | Dagmar: | By all means wait until it starts exhibiting really bisarre problems because the database is stuck in a format that is not what it's supposed to be because it failed in the middle of changing it for the new version |
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| [01:43:52] | Blaksmith: | of course, I do want to get it to 0.21 ... don't get me wrong .. I'm just letting you know, that it did not make any actual changes to the db for who knows what reason |
| [01:44:05] | Dagmar: | Then you just got lucky |
| [01:44:09] | Blaksmith: | and starting the old backend did work |
| [01:44:33] | GimpyT: | ok i suposedly was able to get a lineup with serveal attempts( the line up name is displace when you go to input sources but when you look at channles there are none |
| [01:44:45] | Dagmar: | Usually any significant upgrade results in a series of changes being made to the database one at a time to upgrade what schema it's using |
| [01:44:55] | Dagmar: | Generally it'll fail somewhere in between just to maximize the chaos. |
| [01:44:58] | Blaksmith: | but, not much is valuable anyway, so I'm not worried if I lose the whole db if that's what it takes |
| [01:45:43] | Dagmar: | This is why we encourage people especially to make a backup of hte db before doing an upgrade, becuase they might wind up having to blow it away and do mysql_installdb and < mc.sql and mythtv-setup again |
| [01:45:51] | Dagmar: | ...which ain't fun. |
| [01:46:18] | Blaksmith: | yah, I remember doing that the first time I set up MythTV lol |
| [01:46:44] | Dagmar: | Trust me it gets easier after you've done it 20 or 30 times |
| [01:47:16] | Blaksmith: | I've installed 3 times I think lol.. one was due to a hardware upgrade (new computer) heheh |
| [01:48:33] | Blaksmith: | but.... it looks like I may have to dump the whole db ... :( |
| [01:48:57] | Dagmar: | Hey at least you don't have to pick through ti |
| [01:49:24] | Blaksmith: | yep heheh ... but I will have to set up my capture card, my lIRC etc... |
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| [01:51:25] | Dagmar: | Not LIRC. It's stuff isn't stored in the db |
| [01:51:59] | Blaksmith: | I thought it was.. ok |
| [01:53:51] | Blaksmith: | where is the mysql_installdb ..... not seeing it |
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| [01:54:38] | Blaksmith: | I found mc.sql |
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| [01:56:19] | Decepticon: | i cannot decide what tv tuner card to buy. all i want is out of the box functionality with a distro like mythbuntu, i want to not fiddle with drivers, not fiddle with making the remote control work. its too much to ask? |
| [01:56:33] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [01:56:53] | Decepticon: | what is the closest compromise |
| [01:57:10] | Dagmar: | Buying a TiVo |
| [01:57:40] | Blaksmith: | I have the hauppauge PVR-150 |
| [01:57:47] | Dagmar: | Myth doesn't work without effort and research. |
| [01:57:49] | Decepticon: | Blaksmith i have been eyeing that |
| [01:57:53] | Blaksmith: | works great so far |
| [01:57:56] | Decepticon: | Blaksmith but i read the remote doesnt work |
| [01:58:00] | Decepticon: | what is the details on that? |
| [01:58:11] | Decepticon: | the MCE remote that comes with it |
| [01:58:19] | iamlindoro: | The remote only doesn't work if you're a brain dead moron |
| [01:58:19] | Dagmar: | Decepticon: That either you misread or you read something written by a nutjob |
| [01:58:45] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately braindead morons are often the ones with blogs |
| [01:58:57] | Decepticon: | dagmar he said http://www.amazon.com/review/RRJLUTO7N3AAH/re . . . es_rtr_alt_7 |
| [01:58:59] | Dagmar: | Like twincities.indymedia.org |
| [01:59:13] | Dagmar: | Decepticon: I don't care who said what. it's wholly incorrect. |
| [01:59:18] | squish102: | but the pvr-150 is only SD ? |
| [01:59:32] | iamlindoro: | so it's that you can't read, then |
| [01:59:33] | Dagmar: | The PVR-150 is only NTSC or PAL. |
| [01:59:35] | Decepticon: | can you tell me what specific part of what hes saying is incorrect and what is correct and what functions/does not function |
| [01:59:47] | iamlindoro: | He's correct, you're illiterate |
| [01:59:51] | Dagmar: | Decepticon: no, because I am not your personal fact-checking service. |
| [02:00:15] | iamlindoro: | You *can't* program the remote. That doesn't mean it doesn't work. he was complaining because it can't be reprogrammed to run other equipment. |
| [02:00:27] | iamlindoro: | Which is a far sight from "the remote doesnt work" |
| [02:00:29] | Decepticon: | well ive been doing my research for about a couple of months, and its questions like these that have me not making my final decision and buying |
| [02:00:40] | iamlindoro: | you should try sounding out or looking up the big words |
| [02:01:05] | Blaksmith: | me, I made my own IR Blaster to work with my pansat 3500 :P |
| [02:01:07] | Decepticon: | what does it mean to "program the remote" |
| [02:01:12] | squish102: | Decepticon everything he says is probably true |
| [02:01:28] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: He's French. Some slack can be cut |
| [02:01:39] | squish102: | but he wanted a universal remote, which doesnt come with a pvr150 |
| [02:01:43] | iamlindoro: | Decepticon, "can't be reprogrammed to run other equipment" |
| [02:02:22] | Decepticon: | he wants to use his mce remote with something else? |
| [02:02:29] | Decepticon: | like his tv? |
| [02:02:31] | Dagmar: | The remote that comes with the PVR-150 only speaks "PVR-150", not "Sony TV" or "DishNetwork STB" or "Some VCR or other" and can't be reprogrammed to speak those either |
| [02:02:35] | iamlindoro: | yes, he wants to use it to control all his equipment |
| [02:02:44] | iamlindoro: | which is silly to expect |
| [02:02:50] | Decepticon: | oh |
| [02:02:54] | squish102: | so he is an idiot |
| [02:03:00] | Dagmar: | The only way that sort of thing could be done would be with an additional IR transmitter that doesn't come with the PVR-150, but isn't exactly expensive either |
| [02:03:16] | squish102: | get a logitech remote if that is what u want to do |
| [02:05:40] | squish102: | these pvr150's should start becomming dirt cheap with the transition to digital broadcasting |
| [02:06:03] | iamlindoro: | s/cheap/nonexistent/ |
| [02:06:08] | iamlindoro: | as hauppauge is no longer making them |
| [02:07:15] | Blaksmith: | wheeeeeeeeeee .. running setup |
| [02:07:29] | Decepticon: | one second i missed a lot of chat |
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| [02:09:20] | Decepticon: | is it bad for me to buy a pvr150 with this digital broadcasting switch? |
| [02:09:27] | Decepticon: | what does it mean? |
| [02:09:58] | iamlindoro: | Decepticon, The switch affects the USA only |
| [02:09:59] | Dagmar: | It means if you're in the US, which you appear to not be, after February the card will be much less useful |
| [02:10:10] | Decepticon: | how will it become less useful? |
| [02:10:16] | Decepticon: | what is the USA doing |
| [02:10:28] | Dagmar: | No longer broadcasting NTSC over the air |
| [02:10:37] | Decepticon: | they will use PAL ? |
| [02:10:42] | Blaksmith: | wheee, running mythfilldatabase .. |
| [02:10:44] | iamlindoro: | NEVER! |
| [02:10:56] | Blaksmith: | still have to tell it to use the LIRC now... |
| [02:10:58] | iamlindoro: | no, we will go from analog OTA to digital OTA |
| [02:11:59] | Blaksmith: | DataDirect FTW :D |
| [02:12:13] | Decepticon: | hm well if i move to usa after they do this, my pvr150 wont work? it will not capture anything from the wall socks? |
| [02:12:21] | Decepticon: | socket |
| [02:12:57] | iamlindoro: | It will not be able to capture antenna signals. Anyway, a card that you buy in Europe will be PAL, and useless no matter what in the USA |
| [02:13:06] | Dagmar: | You don't get anything from the wall socket here. |
| [02:13:11] | Dagmar: | ...other than electricyt. |
| [02:13:21] | Dagmar: | ...and sometimes electricity as well. |
| [02:13:27] | Blaksmith: | lol |
| [02:14:29] | Decepticon: | well let me tell you, i am moving to the usa |
| [02:14:36] | Blaksmith: | ok, I'm starting with a clean slate.... wiping all the recordings as well... just waiting for the databse to fill... lots to do |
| [02:14:48] | Decepticon: | so i should wait to buy it from there? |
| [02:14:52] | iamlindoro: | You will have to buy new tuner cards no matter what happens if you go from most places to the USA |
| [02:14:55] | Dagmar: | Decepticon: Probably so actually |
| [02:15:19] | Dagmar: | Decepticon: By the time you get here, it's likely the available options will have changed and something better might be ready to use |
| [02:15:22] | Dagmar: | ...like the HD-PVR. |
| [02:15:32] | iamlindoro: | and then your US tuner cards will be useless in Europe, yayyyyyy! |
| [02:15:44] | Decepticon: | this is a mess! |
| [02:16:45] | Dagmar: | Sort of |
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| [02:19:47] | Blaksmith: | grabbing the tv listings with filldatabase is like watching paint dry |
| [02:20:36] | Blaksmith: | but it is getting done heheh |
| [02:20:55] | Dagmar: | It's never particularly fast, but then thank goodness it doesn't need to be either |
| [02:21:04] | Blaksmith: | yep :D very true |
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| [02:22:48] | Blaksmith: | how many days ahead does the filldatabase do again? heheheh I forgot |
| [02:23:06] | squish102: | 14, i think |
| [02:23:12] | Blaksmith: | looksl ike 14 ... just started doing the cleanup |
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| [02:31:55] | Decepticon: | they dont sell pvr150 on newegg? |
| [02:33:54] | iamlindoro: | Not any more. Like I said before, Hauppauge doesn't make them any more. |
| [02:35:10] | Decepticon: | hmm i have to go hunting |
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| [02:43:03] | wagnerrp: | anyone know of a series with characters Carrie, Doug, and Arthur? apparently Doug is fat |
| [02:43:22] | wagnerrp: | i got a bad description in one of my recordings |
| [02:44:11] | fryfrog: | are you watching it? |
| [02:44:19] | fryfrog: | you could narrow some parameters down, perhaps. |
| [02:44:25] | wagnerrp: | the video is of Terminator, the description is not |
| [02:44:27] | fryfrog: | is it US, UK? is it cartoon or live? |
| [02:44:32] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [02:44:38] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [02:44:59] | wagnerrp: | the title, subtitle, time, channel, everything is right. except for the description. |
| [02:45:01] | Dagmar: | wagnerp HAVE YOU NOT YET LEARNED |
| [02:45:06] | Dagmar: | The GOOGLE knows ALL |
| [02:45:12] | fryfrog: | Ah, weird. |
| [02:45:22] | Dagmar: | Go to Google. Type in "carrie fat doug arthur". |
| [02:45:26] | Dagmar: | Watch the magic happen |
| [02:45:30] | wagnerrp: | king of queens? |
| [02:45:40] | Dagmar: | DINGDINGDING |
| [02:45:49] | Dagmar: | It's freaking *scary* sometimes |
| [02:46:15] | wagnerrp: | it even gives me youtube videos of the show |
| [02:46:25] | fryfrog: | lucky you! |
| [02:46:26] | wagnerrp: | lets see if it understands the description... |
| [02:46:37] | fryfrog: | How the heck did this Google get to be so smart!@?!? |
| [02:48:24] | wagnerrp: | it has become self-aware |
| [02:50:58] | Dagmar: | If it does, we're screwed. |
| [02:51:07] | Dagmar: | It'll know ALL our dirty secrets |
| [02:52:59] | fryfrog: | i imagine even if it became self aware... it would probably be cute and cuddly, at the very least. |
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| [02:53:11] | fryfrog: | I'd much rather be destroyed and consumed by a cute and cuddly google |
| [02:53:16] | Dagmar: | That would just be a ruse |
| [02:53:18] | wagnerrp: | huh, the listings show the correct description. the recording is wrong. |
| [02:53:18] | fryfrog: | than terminators, say |
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| [02:56:47] | wagnerrp: | hey, your endoskeleton is showing |
| [02:59:28] | Blaksmith: | ok, got it back up to where it will change the channel, clean slate... now to add in the programs I want it to record hehehe |
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| [03:13:33] | Blaksmith: | hmmm, for some reason, it doesn't seem to storing the recording settings ... I.E. tell it to record Mythbusters, and it's not saving the "record on this channel" settings.. |
| [03:13:43] | Blaksmith: | I go back in, and it shows "do not record" |
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| [03:39:38] | Blaksmith: | ok, I got it ... for some reason, the master back-end decided to start up as slave |
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| [03:42:46] | stevecam: | hello, im trying to set up my DVB card to work on linux its SAA7133/SAA7135, but im tottaly new to the video stuff and i dont even get /dev/dvb |
| [03:44:27] | Dagmar: | Blaksmith: You must have mucked up wiping and redoing the database earlier then |
| [03:44:43] | Dagmar: | Blaksmith: Either that or you've managed to do that AND start a second backend process at the same time |
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| [04:09:56] | Gimpy: | hi all, need help mysql is running mythbackend is runnipg but when i try to start mythtv i get error could not conect to backend |
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| [04:14:25] | Blaksmith: | same machine? do you have the IP set? |
| [04:15:42] | Blaksmith: | Dagmar, for some reason, the frontend on the ubuntu box decided it wanted to tell the back end server that it was localhost ... which in turn made it a slave .. don't ask me how... but it's all happy now |
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| [04:16:05] | Blaksmith: | except, the ubuntu box won't play the audio at all... it's using alsa... |
| [04:17:52] | Dagmar: | Alsa is generally a good thing, or at least a better thing than trying to get OSS doing more than two channels, but... |
| [04:18:24] | Dagmar: | You probably want to check the wiki about specifically what needs to go into those boxes in that particular setup menu for the frontend because I can assure you that "/dev/dsp" is definitely the wrong answer. |
| [04:18:47] | Blaksmith: | heheh yah lol.. |
| [04:19:04] | Gimpy: | blacksmith , I get connectian timedout when trying mythtv -start (its timeing out trying to conect to backend and i also get faild to get recording show list |
| [04:19:10] | Blaksmith: | I checked on my win box (MythTVPlayer) .. there is audio on the same recording, so I know that part is ok |
| [04:19:26] | Blaksmith: | Gimpy, try: mythfrontend |
| [04:20:00] | Blaksmith: | and, did you do mythtv-setup ? |
| [04:20:13] | Gimpy: | backsmith, i beleave that wili give me the same resules, thats why i tried -startup |
| [04:20:58] | Blaksmith: | if you have NOT done mythtv-setup then you will have major problems |
| [04:21:05] | Gimpy: | yes i did run mythtv-stup that had problems gettipg ehe line up from scheduls direct |
| [04:21:14] | Dagmar: | Get the username and password right. |
| [04:21:50] | Blaksmith: | Gimpy, you didn't answer though ... same box or remote box |
| [04:22:23] | Gimpy: | when the front end try to connect to back end i get connection timed out |
| [04:22:42] | Gimpy: | oh i didn't see that, its same box |
| [04:23:07] | Dagmar: | It's important to use the correct IP address and to NOT have some crazy "drop everything" firewall rule in palce |
| [04:23:16] | Blaksmith: | go through the setup, and verify that the IP addresses are CORRECT |
| [04:23:32] | Gimpy: | so mythtv -setup gives me an error about can't connect to backend and exits |
| [04:23:47] | Blaksmith: | remove the space |
| [04:23:54] | Blaksmith: | mythtv-setup all one word |
| [04:23:55] | Gimpy: | the ips are loopbacks with port |
| [04:25:36] | Blaksmith: | I personally set mine to the ip of the machine .. 192.168.2.2 in this case |
| [04:25:50] | Gimpy: | blacksmieh should cable freq. be set to us-cable-hrc for norh america or us cable |
| [04:25:52] | Blaksmith: | but you can use localhost |
| [04:26:08] | Blaksmith: | that's your choice .. I use us-cable for mine |
| [04:26:35] | Gimpy: | ok, i'll change that and try again |
| [04:26:46] | kormoc: | Gimpy, depends on the cable in your area, set it wrong and you won't get all your channels |
| [04:26:48] | Blaksmith: | the cable freq has nothing to do with the ip |
| [04:27:27] | Gimpy: | it has to do with myth complaining of not beable to get list when I tried to watch EV |
| [04:28:46] | kormoc: | Gimpy, no it doesn't. cable freq is purely for tuning, nothing else |
| [04:28:51] | Blaksmith: | the error you got, is that it isn't able to connect to the back end |
| [04:29:08] | Blaksmith: | which has zero to do with cable freq |
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| [04:30:24] | Gimpy: | correct but i am also reading aditional errars in a terminal apon exit |
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| [04:30:45] | kormoc: | cable freq should only cause scrambled channels, no errors |
| [04:31:00] | kormoc: | cause if it knew to toss a error, it could know to try a different freq table... |
| [04:31:31] | kormoc: | listing data is likely a problem with your setup of a schedule source |
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| [04:33:48] | Gimpy: | when i try mythtv i get a error box, "could not connect master to backend , is it running?", in a terminai i have connection tobackend server:localhost:6543(try 1 of 1) 2008-09–08 19:33:42:745 connection timed out. you should probably modify the mastr serverh setting in the setup program and set the proper IP addresses. failed to get recording show list |
| [04:34:19] | kormoc: | Gimpy, that's purely because you're not running mythbackend |
| [04:34:19] | Blaksmith: | last time I 'm going to say it .... CHECK YOUR IP ADDRESSES |
| [04:34:28] | Blaksmith: | he says the backend is running |
| [04:34:36] | kormoc: | you know |
| [04:34:40] | kormoc: | it says ip address |
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| [04:34:44] | kormoc: | he has localhost typed in |
| [04:34:49] | kormoc: | it should be 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:35:17] | Blaksmith: | I missed him saying that it said localhost |
| [04:35:44] | kormoc: | the error message he just pasted in has localhost set |
| [04:35:45] | Blaksmith: | he said loopback ... with port ... |
| [04:35:48] | Dagmar: | It should be able to resolve localhost unless the machine is setup wrong |
| [04:36:12] | Gimpy: | ok that odd, (green +) starting MythTV Backend .. (red +) start-stop-daemon: caught an interrum [ok] |
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| [04:36:30] | kormoc: | Gimpy, so it's failing for some reason |
| [04:38:13] | Gimpy: | if i ps axwwww grep mythtv i get: 6977 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep --colour=auto 6977 pts/1 S+ 0:00 grep --colour=auto |
| [04:38:28] | kormoc: | which says it's not runnig |
| [04:39:00] | kormoc: | (and ps ax || grep -v grep | grep myth tends to work better) |
| [04:39:13] | Gimpy: | but when i tail the log i get (which i seem to be to blind to decifer) |
| [04:39:22] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/1TqdGi13.html |
| [04:39:42] | Gimpy: | thanks for that tip |
| [04:39:50] | kormoc: | Gimpy, it's instructing you to run mythtv-setup and configure the server |
| [04:41:04] | Gimpy: | but i thaught i already did that |
| [04:41:25] | Blaksmith: | the way you said it, you did it with a space in there |
| [04:41:32] | Blaksmith: | it is: mythtv-setup .... NO space |
| [04:45:17] | Gimpy: | ok, you want to step though this together, so there isn't a misunderstanding? |
| [04:45:37] | kormoc: | Gimpy, reading the docs is highly recommended |
| [04:45:42] | Gimpy: | i was just told to run mythfilldatabase |
| [04:45:56] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:46:02] | Gimpy: | i am reading the doc and stili i managed to scew it up |
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| [04:46:18] | kormoc: | so you did the setup, went in all the screens and set the settings correctly? if so, mythfilldatabase is correct for the next step |
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| [04:50:09] | Blaksmith: | YAY!! I got sound! |
| [04:50:22] | Blaksmith: | had to asoundconf and set the default sound card |
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| [04:53:56] | Gimpy: | ok what am i doing wrong , i can post screenshots if anyone would like but backend is still failing for the same reason |
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| [05:11:53] | mzb_d800: | Gimpy: run mythfrontend with "-v all -l mythfrontend.log" |
| [05:14:46] | mzb_d800: | err ... or should I say ... check the first page of mythtv-setup ;) |
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| [06:12:59] | RyeBrye: | I changed the IP on my backend / frontend – now when I run the frontend it gets a bunch of errors trying to connect to itself at the old IP – and then finally it will load... Where is that old IP stored? |
| [06:14:41] | wagnerrp_: | its stored in the database |
| [06:14:50] | wagnerrp_: | but the normal way to access it is in mythtv-setup |
| [06:14:53] | wagnerrp_: | first section, first page |
| [06:15:07] | RyeBrye: | mythtv-setup has the same long timeout thing going on with it |
| [06:15:15] | RyeBrye: | I guess I can let it timeout and then edit it when it loads |
| [06:15:58] | wagnerrp_: | mythtv-setup should have no timeout, because it does not need access to the backend |
| [06:16:16] | wagnerrp_: | actually, youre not supposed to be running the backend when you run mythtv-setup |
| [06:17:02] | RyeBrye: | it may have been because I didn't restart my backend after I changed the IP settings, I'm not sure. I'm opening the mythtv-setup now |
| [06:17:39] | wagnerrp_: | well if you change an IP without restarting network daemons, you tend to break things |
| [06:18:01] | RyeBrye: | that makes sense :) |
| [06:20:53] | pat_: | df -h |
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| [07:24:23] | shadghost: | hi |
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| [07:42:03] | tank-man: | hello |
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| [09:00:48] | justinh: | cat $greeting > /dev/null |
| [09:01:02] | Dagmar: | And a cheery good morning to you, too |
| [09:02:25] | justinh: | not a happy bunny today. I need to rescan my channels & that will probably fuck up all my scheduled recordings |
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| [09:04:18] | Dagmar: | Did you look at the flash bit there? |
| [09:04:20] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
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| [09:15:37] | justinh: | fucking freeview with their constant channel meddling, resorting & renaming |
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| [10:14:56] | justinh: | hmmm. NiCd cells are really not meant to wee fluids all over a battery compartment |
| [10:15:56] | quicksilver: | good name for a blog |
| [10:15:57] | fryfrog: | that is true |
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| [10:16:01] | quicksilver: | "The Weeing Battery" |
| [10:16:02] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [10:16:59] | justinh: | another good name for a blog... /dev/null |
| [10:17:35] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: usps? |
| [10:18:19] | fryfrog: | no, sorry not yet. stupid post office being open when i sleep |
| [10:18:25] | mzb_d800: | k |
| [10:18:37] | fryfrog: | i'll just refund you the cash via paypal, do you know if they have an undo button? |
| [10:18:48] | sid3windr: | they do |
| [10:18:56] | fryfrog: | or are we going to be stuck paying trans... uh, what is that called? |
| [10:18:58] | fryfrog: | exchange |
| [10:19:18] | mzb_d800: | not for a refund, I wouldn't think |
| [10:19:29] | fryfrog: | lets see |
| [10:19:37] | mzb_d800: | ok |
| [10:19:45] | justinh: | I've lost money on a refund from an international person before due to exchange rate differences |
| [10:20:01] | fryfrog: | yah, srsly :/ |
| [10:20:30] | justinh: | they refunded me the full amount in EUR but the rate was slightly different when that was exchanged to GBP |
| [10:20:35] | directhex: | the pound is sliding towards the value of the american peso at an alarming rate |
| [10:20:45] | justinh: | paypal wins, or paypal wins |
| [10:21:11] | justinh: | it wasn't much though, and I'd rather be a couple of quid down than the £800 it originally looked like :) |
| [10:21:11] | fryfrog: | i hate paypal :/ |
| [10:21:25] | fryfrog: | but it is the lesser of two evils |
| [10:21:28] | mzb_d800: | I've built mythtv from 0.21-fixes with --xvmc-lib=chromeXvMC and I have /etc/X11/XvMCConfig with libchromeXvMC.so ... I can get <20% CPU at times ... but then it hits 100% and stays there for the rest of the video (averages about %15 watching direct from dvb device under xine) |
| [10:21:49] | justinh: | mzb_d800: welcome to being an epia owner :) |
| [10:21:53] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [10:21:56] | mzb_d800: | kernel issue? |
| [10:22:12] | directhex: | terrible terrible CPu issue |
| [10:22:17] | mzb_d800: | everything but mythtv is working fine (or has a workaround) |
| [10:22:18] | justinh: | dunno. if I ever had got to the bottom of it I might never have ended up with a real frontend |
| [10:22:25] | directhex: | which is why everyone you ask in here will scream DON'T if you talk about epias |
| [10:22:40] | mzb_d800: | ah ... memory of the pain ;) |
| [10:22:50] | justinh: | seems to work fine.. seems to work fine.. OH SHIT it's lame.... |
| [10:22:57] | ivor: | mzb_d800: what process is hissing 100% myth? |
| [10:23:00] | directhex: | i tried out an epia, i couldn't even get my dvd rips to play fine |
| [10:23:06] | ivor: | justinh: mine's fine fine fine. :) |
| [10:23:09] | mzb_d800: | mythfrontend |
| [10:23:36] | justinh: | ivor: so you maintain. maybe you could guide people who have strayed back to the correct path ;) |
| [10:23:42] | ivor: | crank up the loggy. anything interesting pop up |
| [10:23:52] | mzb_d800: | ok .. well, I get the impression there's a chance that an earlier kernel might help ... but that doesn't explain why mythtv can't do what xine does so well |
| [10:23:59] | ivor: | justinh: trouble is too many people stray down too many different paths. |
| [10:24:04] | justinh: | the loggy, he say prebufferring pauses ad infinitum |
| [10:24:22] | styelz: | hello, is it possible to play swf, realmedia stream in mythstream ? |
| [10:24:27] | mzb_d800: | I'm guessing that's a symptom, not the cause |
| [10:24:41] | justinh: | mzb_d800: I came to the conclusion the problem is X related |
| [10:24:45] | ivor: | even if you come up with the definitive guide/working exaple/pre-built distro... people will always come back and say, well I started with your distro then I replaced x,y and z for some random reason and now its borked |
| [10:24:45] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: okay, refund sent. |
| [10:24:55] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: wow ... that was quick! |
| [10:25:03] | mzb_d800: | (or easy?) |
| [10:25:15] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: i'd appreciate 1 of 2 things: 1) send me the 4x cpus so i can sell them 2) sell them and pass along some of the moneh |
| [10:25:26] | directhex: | O NOEZ, A 640x360 DVD RIP! I CAN HAS MOAR MHZ? http://img.hexus.net/v2/motherboards/via/pico . . . h264-big.jpg |
| [10:25:28] | justinh: | ivor: well, minimyth was just fine for yonks.. and then it wasn't :) |
| [10:25:34] | fryfrog: | at least they'd be small and light, unlike that box with 2 big honkin heat sinks :) |
| [10:25:41] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: sure ... um ... never sold anything on eBay ... I guess I can have a go |
| [10:25:56] | mzb_d800: | heh ... yeah |
| [10:25:59] | fryfrog: | i've only sold one thing on ebay, i hated it too |
| [10:26:08] | fryfrog: | if you ship em back, i'd probably put them on craiglist |
| [10:26:13] | justinh: | knoppmyth was ok but took aaaaaaaaaaaaaaages to boot up compared to minimyth |
| [10:26:14] | styelz: | i will follow this i guess it is correct, http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/howto/mythstream_install.html |
| [10:26:28] | mzb_d800: | I've got heaps to get rid of ... even got books boxed up with "for eBay" ... just never got around to it |
| [10:26:30] | ivor: | justinh: and was that about the time it started being not just a for epia distro? |
| [10:26:35] | fryfrog: | ahahah |
| [10:26:40] | justinh: | ivor: pretty much, yeah |
| [10:26:48] | ivor: | I rest my case. m-lud. |
| [10:27:02] | mzb_d800: | ivor: so ... where do I start debug? |
| [10:27:07] | mzb_d800: | (procedures) |
| [10:27:13] | justinh: | thing is,m xine was always still ok, as was mplayer |
| [10:27:27] | fryfrog: | dear paypal, i think i hate you. |
| [10:27:27] | mzb_d800: | I'm running Debian Lenny, with 2.6.26 |
| [10:27:33] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [10:27:50] | fryfrog: | i *think* to refund the $200 AUD they are taking ~$150 out of my *BANK* account |
| [10:27:51] | directhex: | O NOEZ A MIFFYTEEVEE! http://img.hexus.net/v2/motherboards/via/pico/mythtv-xv-big.jpg |
| [10:27:56] | justinh: | ebay have broken the camel's back with their fee changes. |
| [10:28:02] | fryfrog: | when the original "$200" AUD is still in my paypal account |
| [10:28:13] | ivor: | justinh: indeed, the in built myth xvmc decoder has a tendency to trip over its toes. |
| [10:28:32] | mzb_d800: | crap ... 3mins to get out the door ... thanks fryfrog ... talk to you all later |
| [10:28:33] | fryfrog: | i'm glad paypal is only connected to my "i hate paypal" old checking account |
| [10:28:37] | fryfrog: | see ya sir |
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| [10:28:47] | ivor: | justinh: the fact that xine works fine suggests that the drivers can work when they're in a good mood. |
| [10:29:18] | justinh: | yeah. the trend in the log messages seemed to suggest the adaptive buffering was screwing up – i.e. overshooting & undershooting |
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| [10:29:50] | ivor: | mzb_d800: well just trial and error really. run a selection of recordings through the in built mythtv player (i.e. not livetv) and see if there's a particular one or particular point that it happens. |
| [10:30:24] | levander`: | Any idea why my program guide doesn't auto-update? Why do I have to run mythfilldatabase manually every time I want it updated? Is what people do is just to add a cron job to run that every day? |
| [10:30:25] | ivor: | twiddle with the timebase options in mythfrontend and the extra-audio buffering and what not. |
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| [10:31:04] | justinh: | changes in bitrate seemed to trigger it, but strangely it was stuff like massive DEcreases (well, what you'd assume would be decreases) – like fades to black etc |
| [10:31:49] | justinh: | another trend I spotted was BBC shows with AD tracks. stripped them out with ffmpeg -acodec copy -v codec copy, rebuilt seektable & they played FINE |
| [10:32:36] | justinh: | that isn't to say the bufferring spikes don't happen in other scenarios – as far as I know I still get them but they're not a problem because I have MOAR MHZ now |
| [10:32:48] | ivor: | justinh: do you know if the non-vld xvmc playback as tempremental? |
| [10:33:01] | ivor: | never tried it myself |
| [10:33:11] | justinh: | ivor: no, it was repeatably bad |
| [10:33:55] | justinh: | never seemed to happen on 1.1x playback either |
| [10:34:04] | justinh: | or 0.9.. only 1x |
| [10:34:27] | justinh: | nor on anything but BBC channels. fine for my wife (other than Eastenders) but not for me :( |
| [10:35:49] | justinh: | I was going to try hacking the player code to buffer a constant amount, but compiling on the epia wasn't a realistic option – plus by the time I'd customised minimyth to the extent where I was able to build myth on it – it wouldn't be a valid experiment anyway |
| [10:36:17] | justinh: | as for why other distros were fine... that led me to suspect driver versions |
| [10:36:25] | justinh: | or a combination of everything |
| [10:37:24] | justinh: | ubuntu was a massive fail because its digital audio output was temperamental – I had it configured to output analogue & digital but it was 30/70 working/notworking on bootup |
| [10:38:12] | justinh: | much, MUCH happier with my C2D frontend. Immeasurably so infact :) |
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| [10:44:27] | justinh: | reminds me I need to export the latest glass-wide out of my svn to the nfsroot :) |
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| [12:39:28] | klos: | what network bandwidth do i need per client for a hd stream ? |
| [12:40:45] | GreyFoxx: | up to 20–24 mbit, but most are not that high |
| [12:40:55] | jblack: | From my experience, about 2 megabytes/sec per client. |
| [12:40:55] | GreyFoxx: | most are in the 8–13 mbit range |
| [12:41:24] | jblack: | So, I saw Diary of the dead, and that was pretty good. That lead to Flight of the living dead, which is great. |
| [12:41:38] | jblack: | Convinced me me try Zombie Strippers, which rocked! |
| [12:41:55] | jblack: | Now, I'm trying to decide whether or not to get my hands on "Porn of the dead" |
| [12:44:49] | klos: | im thinking about building a backend connected to a 802.11n router, the average throughput of these is 74 mbit |
| [12:45:02] | klos: | i'll have 2 client forntends runnign the appletv box |
| [12:45:10] | justinh: | the average throughput of these is 74 mbit in theory :) |
| [12:45:12] | klos: | it also uses 802.11n |
| [12:45:27] | jblack: | Ok. On 802.11g, which is not n, I can handle 1 hd stream client, or 2 transcoded clients. |
| [12:45:33] | justinh: | I wouldn't bank on any kind of wireless working to those expectations |
| [12:45:34] | klos: | nah the maximum throughput is 300mbit the avergae practical thropughput is 74 |
| [12:45:43] | jblack: | 1 hd stream client is right on the edge, though. |
| [12:45:46] | justinh: | depends on conditions, chipsets... all sorts |
| [12:45:56] | klos: | yea for sure |
| [12:46:30] | klos: | but it could handle at least one hd stream |
| [12:46:43] | klos: | thats all good then :) |
| [12:48:12] | justinh: | urgh. ICE default IO error handler doing an exit(), pid = 8513, errno = 0 |
| [12:48:51] | justinh: | anyway, I was gonna mention that my laptop has trouble playing video – even SD – when I'm in the same room as the wireless AP |
| [12:49:03] | justinh: | so much for theory :) |
| [12:49:07] | klos: | :) |
| [12:49:10] | justinh: | not that I expected anything else |
| [12:49:39] | klos: | i think i gonna use the apple router along with the appletv boxes, i think they should work pretty well. |
| [12:50:10] | justinh: | wherever possible I'd still be inclined to use a wired connection regardless |
| [12:50:19] | directhex: | wireless does not guarantee throughput |
| [12:50:38] | directhex: | got a microwave in your house, or houses near you? your tv will skip whilst someone warms a burrito |
| [12:50:55] | justinh: | and even if you get good results today, there's no guarantee you'll get the same results tomorrow |
| [12:51:06] | directhex: | or on thursday |
| [12:51:31] | klos: | yes thats true, i dont know about the coinditions yet, im planning for my future apartment |
| [12:51:45] | klos: | so its just thoughts for now |
| [12:51:46] | justinh: | pulling network cables is far from fun sometimes, but solid playback isn't frustrating like bitty playback is :) |
| [12:52:07] | klos: | yea if i could i would put gbit ethernet throught the whole unit |
| [12:52:49] | klos: | but its difficult if you dont own the apartment |
| [12:53:13] | klos: | and i dont want the cabeles to be visible :-/ |
| [12:53:27] | directhex: | so don't. hire a professional |
| [12:53:53] | directhex: | you'll pay about £50 per end-user port |
| [12:54:20] | klos: | can you do this in a rented apartment |
| [12:54:23] | klos: | ? |
| [12:54:39] | klos: | not too sure about the conditions regards of modifications |
| [12:54:44] | directhex: | ask your landlord |
| [12:54:49] | klos: | yea |
| [12:54:51] | directhex: | it might increase the value of the property |
| [12:54:51] | klos: | will do this |
| [12:54:57] | klos: | true that |
| [12:55:08] | directhex: | also, consider homeplug |
| [12:55:28] | klos: | this power circuit ethenret thing ? |
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| [12:55:43] | justinh: | I think wireless is great for a lot of things, just nothing you need solid transfer rates for |
| [12:57:09] | klos: | how fast is this homeplug stuff ? |
| [12:57:16] | directhex: | 85mbit, iirc |
| [12:57:24] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
| [12:57:45] | justinh: | faster than wireless, and you can virtually count on its reliability – well at least you can count on it more than wireless ;) |
| [12:57:50] | klos: | uh yea thats a good idea |
| [12:58:04] | klos: | i will consider this |
| [12:58:46] | klos: | does the backend of myth tv has a graphical frontend ??? :) |
| [12:58:55] | klos: | i mean if you just install the backend |
| [12:59:06] | klos: | or do you configure from a seperate frontend then |
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| [12:59:10] | justinh: | obviously mains-borne interference will have a bearing on the speed... |
| [12:59:26] | directhex: | klos, i don't understand the question |
| [12:59:27] | justinh: | mythtv-setup is a GUI tool, so needs a display |
| [12:59:46] | justinh: | and mythtv-setup must be run on the backend machine |
| [12:59:54] | klos: | ok thats what i wanted to know, im planning on integrating an ltsp server into the box |
| [13:00:06] | klos: | can i configure the backend via ltsp ? |
| [13:00:06] | justinh: | whatever that is |
| [13:00:17] | klos: | ltsp is a remote server connection |
| [13:00:19] | directhex: | linux terminal server pieshop |
| [13:00:22] | klos: | hmm well i can still use vnc |
| [13:00:35] | klos: | yea doenst matter then :) |
| [13:00:55] | justinh: | we see too many people whining that they need X installed on a backend machine |
| [13:01:19] | justinh: | when really, X is small beans compared to how much space recordings take up |
| [13:01:50] | justinh: | as for resources it 'hogs'.. heh. it needn't be running all the time (the X server) |
| [13:02:21] | klos: | but it has been developed a lot in terms of memory waste recently' |
| [13:02:40] | justinh: | only desktop environments tend to waste memory |
| [13:02:51] | klos: | i can run my desktop pc here for 3–4 weeks without restarting and using it every day |
| [13:03:14] | klos: | 1 year ago i still had to restart about every 1 or 2 weeks |
| [13:03:39] | klos: | and im running stuff like compiz now etc |
| [13:03:50] | klos: | :) |
| [13:04:52] | justinh: | mythtv + compiz == :( |
| [13:06:05] | klos: | :) |
| [13:06:23] | klos: | nur am frontend nehm ich an oder ? |
| [13:06:30] | klos: | hehe |
| [13:06:58] | klos: | sorry :) compiy only affects the mythtv frontend i reckon |
| [13:07:16] | klos: | or does it cause problem running compiz on the mythtv backend |
| [13:07:50] | justinh: | since the main ui is only about the frontend... |
| [13:07:58] | justinh: | the backend doesn't _have_ a GUI as such |
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| [13:08:38] | klos: | yea thats what i thought :) |
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| [13:10:28] | klos: | running the mythtv frontend gives you theoretically also the option to watch tv on your notebook right ? |
| [13:10:43] | klos: | it isnt depending on nay hdmi out or tv out or something |
| [13:10:45] | justinh: | that's the general idea of mythfrontend |
| [13:10:50] | klos: | sweet |
| [13:10:56] | klos: | :) |
| [13:10:57] | ivor: | nothing theoretical about it. :) |
| [13:11:00] | ** justinh suggests reading the docs ** | |
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| [13:14:06] | klos: | will do will, convenience FTW :) |
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| [13:25:32] | directhex: | oh orifices. hardy-updates |
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| [13:32:24] | ** justinh chuckles at the thought of "Jaunty Jackelope".. that surely isn't fur real... ** | |
| [13:33:27] | purserj: | you can look at the previous releases and doubt it? |
| [13:33:49] | justinh: | lol |
| [13:40:38] | onexused: | What's a good tv tuner card to get? I want one that works with MythTV and Linux (obviously), has hardware encoding of MPEG2 or 4, that I can connect both A/V component and coax to, and can handle both NTSC (analog) and ATSC (digital) signals. |
| [13:40:41] | onexused: | Or, where could I find a good list of options? |
| [13:45:16] | justinh: | you're asking for a lot – too much infact |
| [13:45:34] | onexused: | Oh? |
| [13:45:45] | onexused: | What can I expect, then? |
| [13:46:00] | directhex: | good analog, OR digital |
| [13:46:07] | cesman: | you can always ask for a lot, the question however is will you get what you ask for? ;) |
| [13:46:16] | justinh: | NTSC (analogue) & ATSC (digital) on one card is easy. Hardware encoding of analogue on the same card – way less common. Component inputs.. forget about it |
| [13:46:24] | justinh: | mpeg4.. forget about it |
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| [13:46:55] | justinh: | however, such things exist in isolation – eg. the Hauppauge hdpvr box which encodes component HD to h.264 |
| [13:47:09] | DHvE: | Anyone out there who could answer me some Questions about DVB-S2 on MythDora 5.0` |
| [13:47:14] | DHvE: | hi |
| [13:47:35] | justinh: | and some Hauppauge HVR cards with onboard mpeg2 encoding for analogue & ATSC reception capabilities |
| [13:47:53] | justinh: | just ask the questions & see if anybody answers |
| [13:48:16] | onexused: | "Component inputs.. forget about it" so there's no way I could get a tv tuner card that I could also hook a game console to, you're saying? |
| [13:48:22] | justinh: | though with dvb-s2, don't expect much response beyond "the API isn't finished yet.. good luck" |
| [13:48:51] | DHvE: | just wanted to know if i should use the multiproto or the S2API and what kind of changes on the Mythtv Software if got to make ... |
| [13:48:52] | onexused: | mpeg4 isn't a requirement, but it'd be nice. |
| [13:48:52] | justinh: | onexused: one big snag with connecting a console or anything else to mythtv which requires real time viewing.. uhh.. no dice |
| [13:49:37] | justinh: | mythtv doesn't have any realtime viewing. certainly not near enough to realtime to make game playing possible |
| [13:49:46] | onexused: | Oh, right, I forgot about that. The recording and such. What program could I use for that? That's the -main- reason I want to do this. |
| [13:49:58] | justinh: | and besides, just use another input on your TV damnit |
| [13:50:20] | justinh: | there is no program you can use to watch analogue component signals on a TV AFAIK |
| [13:50:40] | justinh: | s/TV/PC |
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| [13:52:05] | onexused: | "just use another input on your TV damnit" My tv is ancient, with only coax input. My computer monitor is nicely sized. Seing how I'm not made of money, I'd rather just use it if I could. |
| [13:52:10] | DHvE: | noone here using DVB-S2? |
| [13:53:04] | justinh: | onexused: well, since there are no framegrabber cards with component video inputs (and even if there were) – it's gonna be more economical to buy a component > DVI/VGA adapter |
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| [13:53:38] | directhex: | DHvE: not many people, no. there's still no final s2 support in the kernel, or in myth |
| [13:53:47] | justinh: | wah! I didn't get the answer I wanted so I left |
| [13:54:49] | justinh: | the curse of the early adopter, eh ;) |
| [13:57:23] | DHvE: | I know that there is still no final support but how could u guys live without HDTV? ^^ |
| [13:57:35] | justinh: | easy... we just CAN |
| [13:57:55] | justinh: | especially easy cos there's no HDTV on dvb-s2 for the UK |
| [13:58:02] | justinh: | and certainly none in the US/canada |
| [13:58:30] | justinh: | search the mailinglists – people have posted patches for use with multiproto IIRC |
| [13:58:48] | justinh: | but – those patches mean you need to build mythtv yourself |
| [13:59:00] | DHvE: | yeah ... but for me (in germany) there are some interessting channels live Discovery HD, Premiere HD ... |
| [13:59:55] | DHvE: | i know, that wouldn't be a big deal if i knew what changes are made on mythtv for md5. so thats the next thing i need .. |
| [14:00:15] | DHvE: | maybe i find the sources for mythtv on mythdora ... |
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| [14:00:24] | justinh: | well, taking a mythtv based distro, then building mythtv yourself – you might aswell just use $any distro |
| [14:01:01] | justinh: | FYI you're better off building myth from source checked out of the svn server |
| [14:01:38] | justinh: | not least of which because the patches I mentioned probably only work against a given revision of mythtv :) |
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| [14:02:55] | justinh: | are there any DVB-S2 tuners with CI slots anyway? |
| [14:05:28] | DHvE: | es |
| [14:05:31] | DHvE: | yes |
| [14:05:51] | DHvE: | ... I dont know any without CI |
| [14:05:56] | coromatic: | DHvE which card do you use? |
| [14:06:25] | coromatic: | im interested for using Premiere HD |
| [14:06:26] | DHvE: | i want the terratec cinergy S2 HD ... |
| [14:06:41] | directhex: | terratec hate teh loonicks |
| [14:07:02] | DHvE: | i already have it but it isn't supported so ... |
| [14:07:19] | coromatic: | in mythTV? |
| [14:07:30] | DHvE: | but i got to go we are 10 min behing our "making a party" timeplan ^^ |
| [14:07:38] | DHvE: | in Linux ^^ |
| [14:07:50] | coromatic: | ok |
| [14:07:56] | DHvE: | DVB-S2 isn't supportet in the actual kernels ... ^^ |
| [14:08:04] | DHvE: | so bye |
| [14:08:54] | coromatic: | which kernel do you use? |
| [14:10:07] | coromatic: | ok, the fedora kernel should be actual |
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| [14:23:07] | justinh: | anyway, nevermind being able to receive european HDTV.. you've got to be able to play it! |
| [14:23:19] | justinh: | h.264 AVC – whoah there Bessy! |
| [14:23:41] | directhex: | but my 720p mkvs play fine! >8\/ |
| [14:30:31] | justinh: | MOAR MHZ, multithreaded playback... patched mythtv... it's a bit of a mess at the mo |
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| [14:31:57] | justinh: | not for the faint-hearted that much is certain |
| [14:32:17] | dustybin: | i just ordered pci gfx card from america, £40 in total inc delivery |
| [14:33:08] | dustybin: | going to test the frontend in my bedroom first before it goes downstairs to make sure it runs smoothly |
| [14:33:24] | dustybin: | will keep it on 24.7 and abuse it as much as possible |
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| [14:36:34] | dustybin: | this will be the best looking front end in the west |
| [14:37:05] | Lynet: | I thought they were all built in the east? |
| [14:37:10] | dustybin: | going to order this remote for it: |
| [14:37:11] | dustybin: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt . . . T&ih=013 |
| [14:37:17] | dustybin: | :P |
| [14:37:28] | directhex: | yum. grey plastic |
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| [14:40:46] | justinh: | s/best looking/ugliest & cheapest looking |
| [14:41:35] | dustybin: | ill take pictures of it once ive got it setup and working downstairs |
| [14:42:44] | justinh: | that's like saying "look at this! I did a poo on the carpet, come & see!" |
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| [14:43:13] | gregL: | justinh would you know what causes this error: Failed to save cached image: /home/greg/.mythtv/themecache/ProjectGrayhem.1440.900/wide.png |
| [14:43:43] | justinh: | nope but you have my condolences for using an unsupported theme |
| [14:44:06] | gregL: | Unsupported? I didn't know that.. |
| [14:44:46] | gregL: | I get the same with Glass wide also..Is that unsupported too? |
| [14:44:57] | justinh: | there is no 'wide.png' in the theme anyway |
| [14:45:09] | justinh: | nor in glass-wide |
| [14:45:25] | directhex: | justinh supports users of leafers-wide only |
| [14:45:28] | justinh: | so that obviously isn't a problem with the theme |
| [14:46:01] | gregL: | Ok thanks i will have to search for a supported theme .. |
| [14:46:28] | justinh: | those themes are unsupported, but only by way of not being supported by me – on account of me not caring |
| [14:46:32] | Lynet: | dustybin: Which box, btw? |
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| [14:46:53] | justinh: | and FWIW, as I've already said those are not theme generated errors |
| [14:47:51] | justinh: | sadly nobody else has seen fit to jump onboard & help support the myriad themes I foolishly released... so I guess they'll just die off quietly |
| [14:48:00] | gregL: | Ok. Thanks again.. |
| [14:48:23] | gregL: | I like them.. |
| [14:48:45] | dustybin: | Lynet: http://www.marketlink.pt/uploads/%7B1020107C- . . . A12DA%7D.gif |
| [14:49:17] | justinh: | I like glass-wide. end of story. and what few bugs I've found have all been fixed & it's going into the next ubuntu apparently |
| [14:49:49] | dustybin: | justinh: will you dabble with themes what work with the upcoming mythUI ? |
| [14:49:53] | justinh: | I can't fix bugs which aren't reported, or that I don't see for myself :D |
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| [14:50:24] | gregL: | justinh: Good to know...that's where i got the one's i am using.. |
| [14:50:37] | justinh: | as far as that error message goes -something must really be broken in the theme caching code if it's really saying wide.png can't be saved |
| [14:51:29] | justinh: | ruh? it's referenced in theme.xml. FFS |
| [14:51:34] | dustybin: | might be the end of the world tomorrow: http://www.i4u.com/article20174.html |
| [14:51:51] | directhex: | dustybin thinks a plastic small-form-factor HP counts as beautiful, but he's also high |
| [14:51:55] | gregL: | justinh: I will have to see if it does it with any other themes... |
| [14:52:07] | justinh: | oh ! the 'widescreen' icon is missing from your mythtv install |
| [14:52:29] | dustybin: | directhex: there is nothing ugly about this box at all, its well built, small and looks nice |
| [14:52:45] | justinh: | this is what comes of developing themes & trying to keep them usable with both trunk & -fixes branches :( |
| [14:53:47] | gregL: | justin: maybe i will reinstall the themes and see if that clears it up.. Thanks for your time.. |
| [14:53:52] | justinh: | and it's missing from ProjectGrayhem but is present in the -wide version. |
| [14:54:29] | justinh: | but, there should be a default wide.png file in themes/default/wide.png |
| [14:54:57] | justinh: | so either the version of myth you're running is too old or the version of the theme is too new |
| [14:55:07] | justinh: | 4:3 themes. PFFT |
| [14:55:54] | justinh: | seriously though – seems that if I don't keep em up (and I have no plans to once mythui starts breaking em) – if nobody else does – that's it |
| [14:56:22] | justinh: | same goes for some of the core themes.. people are hoping they're just gonna die off :) |
| [14:56:34] | directhex: | but iulius! :o :( |
| [14:57:25] | gregL: | justinh: i just did a full reinstall 2 days ago, so it should be current..I will have to check |
| [14:57:39] | justinh: | locate wide.png |
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| [14:59:02] | gregL: | /usr/share/mythtv/themes/ProjectGrayhem-wide/type/wide.png |
| [14:59:23] | justinh: | it should also be in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/ |
| [14:59:46] | justinh: | on a 0.21-fixes install it should be, anyway |
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| [15:00:43] | justinh: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/r . . . emes/default |
| [15:00:52] | justinh: | there it is, right at the bottom of the page |
| [15:02:18] | gregL: | justinh: Ok i am going to see if there is any updates i am missing ... |
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| [15:07:59] | Cyberai: | I'm having a problem getting the firewire kernel modules installed. i've tried installing via the rpm's and also from source, yet an lsmod doesn't show them. Can anyone help me get these to install? |
| [15:08:42] | justinh: | lsmod only shows you loaded modules |
| [15:08:53] | justinh: | modprobe -l _lists_ modules available to you |
| [15:09:15] | Cyberai: | kewl, let me try that |
| [15:10:10] | Cyberai: | this is so weird, "modprobe -l|grep 1394" gets me nothing |
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| [15:34:31] | iamlindoro_: | "This is why American MythTV users on this list have been able to routinely record and easily play back HDTV broadcasts for years." |
| [15:34:36] | iamlindoro_: | MWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAA |
| [15:34:43] | iamlindoro_: | Oh users list, always good for a laugh |
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| [15:35:11] | sid3windr: | o_O |
| [15:35:38] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: and the question is "why is mpeg2 HDTV inferior to the european norm h.264 with AVC ?" |
| [15:36:30] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: I just like the massive generalization about how we can all record and play back HD without a second thought |
| [15:36:51] | iamlindoro_: | That's not even STARTING to address the always-retarded Apple TV threads |
| [15:36:58] | justinh: | oh right. and how a 1.5Ghz pentium 4 can play 'hd' |
| [15:37:11] | sid3windr: | it can play harddisk |
| [15:37:17] | sid3windr: | and high density floppies |
| [15:37:23] | sid3windr: | does this not count?! |
| [15:37:35] | justinh: | it can't play high dumbness though |
| [15:37:40] | justinh: | leave that to the user |
| [15:38:00] | Lynet: | I could play floppy way way back in the old days. Only music though. |
| [15:38:34] | ** iamlindoro_ compiles MythMusic with --enable-MOD ** | |
| [15:38:49] | sid3windr: | if it would have mikmod integration that would indeed be cool |
| [15:38:49] | justinh: | teh appleteevees can play aitch deees. apples said soe |
| [15:38:50] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [15:38:59] | Lynet: | --enable-MOD --enable-PC-Speaker? ;-p |
| [15:39:10] | quicksilver: | mikmod + lemmings megamix = win |
| [15:39:15] | Lynet: | For that good old retro feel. |
| [15:39:27] | justinh: | for true justice! mod! support! |
| [15:39:30] | iamlindoro_: | Future Crewwwwwwwww |
| [15:39:41] | sid3windr: | 2nd reality scirocco mix ++ |
| [15:39:48] | sid3windr: | (google:scirreal.xm) |
| [15:39:56] | justinh: | 4 teh r4@l gl0ry – sid |
| [15:40:00] | Lynet: | FC? Bah. Sainty Arte is best demo ever. |
| [15:40:05] | Lynet: | Sanity |
| [15:41:08] | ** justinh wonders whatever happened to shareware (yes, without the Z) anyway ** | |
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| [15:42:33] | Lynet: | It got marginalized, me thinks. People went open source or full commercial. |
| [15:42:52] | quicksilver: | shareware is alive and kicking on OSX |
| [15:42:59] | quicksilver: | I hate it with the burning passion of a thousand suns |
| [15:43:00] | justinh: | hrm. maybe it was just too easy to copy floppies |
| [15:43:11] | laga: | and on some handheld devices, i guess. i paid some money for an icq client for my palm |
| [15:43:40] | justinh: | oh yeah I suppose that's basically what the iPhone software store is |
| [15:43:57] | Lynet: | I suppose one could call stuff like podiobooks.com shareware, if one includes audiobooks in the definition. |
| [15:44:16] | quicksilver: | iphone store isn't shareware: it's paid for software downloaded through a shop app. |
| [15:44:30] | quicksilver: | shareware is stuff you can download for free, but are obliged to pay for if you continue using it. |
| [15:45:12] | Lynet: | I suppose you can't do shareware in the iphone store, Apple wants a cut if you make money on the software. |
| [15:45:37] | quicksilver: | right. |
| [15:46:21] | Lynet: | It is however the right place for silly dumbware. Like that I-am-rich app. |
| [15:46:34] | AndyCap: | justinh: it lives on windows. :) www.asp-shareware.org |
| [15:46:54] | AndyCap: | justinh: but some people feel the word has negative connotations. |
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| [15:53:24] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [15:53:30] | sid3windr: | mythtv shareware |
| [15:53:41] | sid3windr: | you can play episode 1 (aka the setup) as much as you like |
| [15:53:47] | sid3windr: | for episode 2–6 you have to pay ;> |
| [15:57:18] | laga: | stop giving me ideas for mythbuntu |
| [15:57:27] | sid3windr: | mythbuntu shareware! |
| [15:57:30] | sid3windr: | DOIT |
| [15:57:54] | quicksilver: | you could upgrade the commflagger into a "dramatic moment" flagger |
| [15:58:06] | quicksilver: | and you could make the shareware nag screen come up just before the good bits |
| [15:58:10] | quicksilver: | it would be classic! |
| [15:58:27] | AndyCap: | cliffhanger resolutions, double price. |
| [15:58:45] | AndyCap: | Shows as a Service concept |
| [15:58:48] | sid3windr: | =) |
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| [15:59:08] | sid3windr: | you will need to deliver a cheatcode booklet with the full version though |
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| [16:10:33] | Cyberai: | OK, I managed to get my firewire up and going to my DCT6416, I get a good plugreport and firewire_tester is successful if I use broadcast. But test-mpeg2 gives me a zero size file. Can anyone help? |
| [16:18:39] | justinh: | hmm wonder what kind of mythui some of the mailing list peeps are looking forward to. some seem to think that they're gonna need a mid to top end graphics card |
| [16:19:30] | justinh: | what? you mean I won't need to stand in the middle of the room in front of a big glass plate & wave my (special) gloved hands around like a loon? :-O |
| [16:22:18] | AndyCap: | glove? bush-league. |
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| [16:45:17] | c4t3l: | hey guys |
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| [16:46:56] | laga: | justinh: glass-wide has been uploaded into ubuntu intrepid |
| [16:48:15] | justinh: | yay? |
| [16:48:35] | laga: | i guess ;) |
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| [16:48:54] | laga: | gbee's theme has gone thru as well, great |
| [16:49:51] | sphery: | did he really go with the dwtfyw license? |
| [16:50:07] | laga: | no, CC. no derivates |
| [16:51:14] | justinh: | I did the NRICGAF license |
| [16:51:24] | justinh: | no, really I couldn't give a f.. |
| [16:51:31] | justinh: | aka GPL |
| [16:52:32] | justinh: | since you can't really stop anybody ripping it off, passing it off, or selling it off... well, not without having to personally intervene... |
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| [16:59:26] | GlemSom: | I've been google'ing for some info about Linux+HDMI+audio – but there seems to be very mixed opinions about that... I've read some graphics cards uses a spid cable – and then route the audio to the hdmi port... But I don't quite understand what kind of cable that is... Is that some cable that attaches to the motherboard – or do one have to use the actual spdif port on the mainboard – and route that to the graphicscard? (Currently I only have |
| [16:59:26] | GlemSom: | toslink – guess that will not do) |
| [17:01:28] | sphery: | Generally most sound cards (including those integrated on motherboards) have a digital audio connector on them--what people used to connect between the CD-ROM drives and the sound card. Just a little 4-wire connector. I'm guessing that's what it would use. |
| [17:02:02] | wagnerrp_: | i thought the 4-wire was an analog connector |
| [17:02:11] | wagnerrp_: | the 2-wire was digital |
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| [17:02:52] | sphery: | Though, TTBOMK, if you're using any non-native HDMI audio solution (and I haven't found a native one, yet), you won't be able to get more than 2-channels of digital audio unless you encode to AC-3 or DTS (i.e. you're limited by S/PDIF, so you lose the benefits of HDMI) |
| [17:03:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp_: You're right. It's the 2-wire one... Been so long. |
| [17:03:43] | ** sphery is waiting to find an HDMI (actually, I'd prefer DisplayPort) card that supports 8-channel PCM output. ** | |
| [17:03:44] | wagnerrp_: | ALSA has facilities to transcode to AC3 |
| [17:04:00] | wagnerrp_: | they make TVs that support displayport? |
| [17:04:04] | GlemSom: | sphery, Ok – so basecly everything has to be re-encoded to AC3 to be in surroundsound ? |
| [17:04:25] | wagnerrp_: | glemsom: if you want to output over digital audio, yes |
| [17:04:33] | sphery: | unfortunately, most TV's will probably stick with HDMI (so I'll get to pay the HDMI license tax) |
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| [17:04:53] | sphery: | but I'm not going to use my TV for the audio--that's what receivers are for |
| [17:05:22] | sphery: | GlemSom: or passthrough (assuming the source has an AC-3 or DTS audio stream) |
| [17:05:37] | GlemSom: | sphery, I agree – but my receiver has a HDMI port aswell – so i was thinking about using that? (Thinks it kinda pass-through... it just uses the audio) |
| [17:06:05] | GlemSom: | sphery, Well, not ALL my sources has AC-3... |
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| [17:06:37] | PatrickDK: | heh, I transcode everything into ac3 |
| [17:06:47] | sphery: | Yeah, nothing wrong with using HDMI (other the the DRM-infestation in HDMI, but that will be everywhere). Just mentioning that I don't need HDMI if I don't connect it to the TV. |
| [17:07:00] | GlemSom: | But, using a regular spdif connection (a toslink for example) – or using spdif over HDMI will in the end provide me with the same result... they both need to be re-encoded to ac-3 to take advantage of surroundsound... ? |
| [17:07:16] | wagnerrp_: | correct |
| [17:07:24] | GlemSom: | Ok, thanks! :) |
| [17:07:40] | wagnerrp_: | the only way you would use surround PCM would be if your video card had an integrated sound card |
| [17:07:45] | sphery: | GlemSom: well, if the source isn't AC-3, chances are it's stereo, which should be enough for a TV. Also, many receivers will replicate the stereo channels to surround speakers. |
| [17:07:56] | sphery: | (may include "receivers" in TV's) |
| [17:08:10] | GlemSom: | hmm... yeah... |
| [17:09:10] | GlemSom: | Basecly it's because I would like the PC to be in the room behind the TV... So the fewer cables I need to put through the wall – the better! :) |
| [17:09:20] | sphery: | Basically, though, if you have an AC-3- or DTS-encoded audio source, and you want the surround, you can't let your Myth box decode it (which means that things like timestretch require decoding a lossy format, then re-encoding to a lossy format). |
| [17:09:38] | wagnerrp_: | GlemSom: youre not just going to install a modular panel anyway? |
| [17:10:01] | sphery: | GlemSom: I'm a big fan of Myth frontend in another room. |
| [17:10:06] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp_, I think I am... Just need to find one I like... (Maybe make one myself tough...) |
| [17:10:29] | sphery: | that gets to be much more expensive than just passing a cable through the wall (for the cheapskates among us) |
| [17:10:56] | GlemSom: | I really like the concept of a thin clients and a backend... But I think it's a bit too expesive if one need a client that can play HD... ? |
| [17:11:05] | wagnerrp_: | well yeah, if you consider $10-$15 to be considerably more expensive than free |
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| [17:12:07] | wagnerrp_: | id rather have it look nice (even if i will never actually see it) |
| [17:12:17] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp_, I've actually seen a company making custom wall mount panels – with HDMI, usb ect... :) |
| [17:12:45] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp_, for example: http://www.datapro.net/products/hdmi-wall-plate.html |
| [17:13:20] | wagnerrp_: | i just went with the modular ones at Lowes |
| [17:15:05] | sphery: | I guess if you're not doing separate analog speaker wires for each channel, it's a lot cheaper (at $4–6/banana plug, a 6- or 8-channel setup, requiring 2-connectors/channel on each side of the wall, gets expensive fast) |
| [17:15:33] | sphery: | My receiver is also in the other room (I only have a screen and speakers in my viewing room.) |
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| [17:16:03] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp_, Do you have a link for that? |
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| [17:16:33] | wagnerrp_: | they are probably on the website, but ive never actually gone there |
| [17:16:54] | wagnerrp_: | this was more of an unplanned install, so B&M for me |
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| [17:35:38] | Gimpy: | hi all, i need help I have checked my permissions appear to be correct but , i get a backend conectian time out |
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| [17:45:03] | mirak: | hi |
| [17:45:22] | mirak: | does anyone knows if ubuntu intrepid have the multidriver proto ? |
| [17:45:28] | mirak: | multiproto driver, sorry |
| [17:45:32] | directhex: | if it's not in the kernel, no |
| [17:45:37] | directhex: | because it breaks existing apps |
| [17:46:11] | mirak: | that's my question in fact |
| [17:46:20] | mirak: | I would like to decode HD |
| [17:46:37] | mirak: | and I heard multiproto allows that |
| [17:47:04] | mirak: | if it's in the kernel it's in parallel or it replace hold ones ? |
| [17:47:24] | directhex: | you're misinformed. multiproto doesn't allow you to decode anything. if you mean RECEIVE, then it allows you to receive broadcasts from DVB-S2 satellites, if you have legit access to HD S2 broadcasts |
| [17:47:27] | directhex: | which most people don't |
| [17:47:50] | directhex: | HD in britain for example is S, not S2, and works with the existing driver structure |
| [17:48:19] | directhex: | and multiproto replaces the current drivers AFAIK, which is why such an intrusive change has been a long time coming |
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| [17:50:03] | mirak: | you fuck flys a bit |
| [17:50:08] | mirak: | but thanks for the info |
| [17:50:18] | bronson: | Is there a way to automatically transcode myth's 4MB/sec recordings down to 1MB/sec or less? |
| [17:50:35] | bronson: | Found a bunch of things for transcoding DVDs but not plain old recordings. |
| [17:50:49] | mirak: | it seems debian sid have 2.26 kernel with multiproto, I will try that |
| [17:52:34] | GreyFoxx: | bron: Myth has internal transcoding. You can have it done automatically or manually start it per recording, or make it per recording rule |
| [17:52:35] | Anduin: | bronson: Look at the transcoder settings under recording profiles, that plus the docs should get you started. There are also user jobs if you don't like that, and exporter script, etc |
| [17:53:30] | bronson: | Glad it exists, will do. |
| [17:53:46] | ** bronson is off to poke around with recording profiles. ** | |
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| [17:56:17] | directhex: | i'm not entirely sure why i'm being insulted. perhaps i'm missing something. |
| [17:57:59] | mirak: | that's an insult ? |
| [18:01:47] | Anduin: | Gimpy: you need to paste your frontend log somewhere |
| [18:03:00] | Gimpy: | Anduin, will do but heads up it says i don't have any settip but i have gone though and configured it and could provide screenshot to prove it so pasting backend log |
| [18:03:34] | Anduin: | Gimpy: the frontend log too, basically just need to check that it is connecting where you think |
| [18:04:14] | Gimpy: | http://rafb.net/p/fL2aK180.html |
| [18:05:17] | Gimpy: | anduin, i ran my backend and it says that live tv wasts to use a directory but backend clames its not writable but im lookin at my permissions and they look fine to me, will past |
| [18:05:54] | Gimpy: | permissions for directory http://rafb.net/p/kG8iYr54.html |
| [18:07:25] | Anduin: | Gimpy: How many backends are you running (I only ask because the first error you pasted is a fatal one)? |
| [18:08:15] | Gimpy: | Anduin should onlbe 1 backend |
| [18:10:37] | Gimpy: | Anduin should only be 1 backend |
| [18:10:41] | Anduin: | Gimpy: I don't see how you would get to a second error after the first, your first error really should be correctable with a mythtv-setup run, you can also check the DB |
| [18:11:47] | Anduin: | Gimpy: You are running mythtv-setup and mythbackend/frontend as the same user? |
| [18:11:47] | Gimpy: | ok so what do you want me to do here? run setup again? |
| [18:12:00] | Gimpy: | yes |
| [18:13:16] | Anduin: | Yes, run mythtv-setup again, and check the run for errors (at the terminal you launched it from) |
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| [18:14:10] | Gimpy: | oops, anduin, i may had been wrong I can run setup as user but to /ect/init.d/mythbackend start i need to sudo |
| [18:15:46] | Gimpy: | Anduin, would you like me to past it |
| [18:17:07] | Gimpy: | Anduin, now it thinks the backend is runnipg |
| [18:20:21] | Anduin: | Gimpy: probably some bad run/lock file cleanup, I'd check your system mysql.txt, if it is setting LocalHostName it could be messing things up (most people should have a single mysql.txt until they learn to enjoy wasting their time) |
| [18:21:24] | Gimpy: | Anduin it seems to be running now but i haven't been able to get a channle linup |
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| [18:22:39] | Gimpy: | im getting a 500 internel server error when i use mythfill database |
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| [18:28:38] | Gimpy: | in mysql i have my.cnf and mysqlaccess.conf |
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| [18:30:59] | Anduin: | Gimpy: mysql.txt is the poorly chosen name MythTV uses for the old config file to connect to the DB, if your backend us running now, just ignore what I said about it. |
| [18:31:13] | Anduin: | s/us/is |
| [18:32:00] | Gimpy: | Anduin, but now it won't stop running i can't get my guide data to populate |
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| [18:33:25] | Anduin: | Gimpy: the backend running will not stop mythfilldatabase from working |
| [18:33:27] | Gimpy: | Anduin the only mysql.txt is in portage/postfixadmin/files/postinstalld |
| [18:34:21] | Gimpy: | so i can still run -setup to get my gide data (that I havdn't been able to sucessfully get so far+ |
| [18:35:02] | Anduin: | Gimpy: Yes, the warning applies to many things, but if you are just setting the mythfilldatabase stuff it should be fine. |
| [18:36:47] | Anduin: | Gimpy: put your mythfilldatabase output on that site |
| [18:39:06] | Gimpy: | Anduin, I don't follaw "put your mythfilldatabase output on that site" |
| [18:39:48] | Anduin: | Gimpy: you can run mythfilldatabase manually, it has output, pastebin it |
| [18:40:25] | Gimpy: | oh the "on that site" is what confused me |
| [18:40:52] | Gimpy: | am i missing somthing here ? mythtv tells me this dir is not writeable http://rafb.net/p/VvBzuM72.html |
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| [18:43:50] | Gimpy: | Anduin, mythfilldatabase output http://rafb.net/p/nfElak89.html |
| [18:44:13] | Gimpy: | I have the correct login and password, i tested by loging in directly to my account |
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| [18:49:41] | Anduin: | Gimpy: did you fetch the channel lineup in mythtv-setup (or run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates)? |
| [18:50:06] | Gimpy: | Anduin, when i try fetch nothing happens |
| [18:50:38] | Anduin: | Gimpy: You did configure a lineup (on the SD site)? |
| [18:51:58] | Gimpy: | Anduin, don't you just creat an account and .. oops, i just created an account, i thaught it would magicaly know |
| [18:52:34] | Anduin: | I'm mostly sure there are step-by-step instructions for this somewhere |
| [18:54:02] | Gimpy: | ok, i just checked, i don't remember setting a linup up but when i checked there was one there( the correct one) |
| [18:55:42] | Anduin: | Gimpy: run mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates --only-update-channels (I think that combination makes sense) and rafb the output |
| [18:56:32] | Gimpy: | i already started mythfilldatabase , since i had no channle and it did appear eo be dl-ing |
| [18:57:17] | Anduin: | Ok, I can see that the secret is simply doing something twice |
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| [19:00:46] | Gimpy: | here my output no guid data populated http://rafb.net/p/QetHGH83.html |
| [19:05:37] | Anduin: | Gimpy: ok, now try the command I gave |
| [19:07:08] | Gimpy: | Anduin, am i doing it wrong mythfilldatabase--do-channel-updates gave me command not found |
| [19:07:56] | Anduin: | space? |
| [19:08:22] | Gimpy: | mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates |
| [19:08:55] | Gimpy: | that seems to be work. then directly after run the second command then chech db? |
| [19:09:55] | Anduin: | Gimpy: sure, though if you did it without --only-update-channels the second run probably isn't necessary |
| [19:10:05] | Gimpy: | should i be able to watch tv even without a linup? i tried to watch without a linup and the screen went blank for about 5 seconds then back to the mythtv frontend screen |
| [19:12:01] | Gimpy: | what the ... there is no guide data avilable when i go to information in mythtv |
| [19:14:25] | Anduin: | Gimpy: when it downloads actual data it is very easy to spot in the output |
| [19:14:47] | Anduin: | Gimpy: and no, you need channels, at the minimum |
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| [19:16:16] | Anduin: | Gimpy: You've associated the input with the source correct? |
| [19:18:10] | Gimpy: | yes input is associated with name given to linup |
| [19:18:24] | Gimpy: | now im getting master could not conect to backend |
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| [19:20:03] | Gimpy: | now i'm getting could not connect master to backend .. is ie running |
| [19:20:08] | Gimpy: | and it keeps stopin |
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| [19:21:14] | Anduin: | Gimpy: for mythfilldatabase that is fine, it probably isn't running now, but it is only connecting to reschedule, something that should be of little concern to you at the moment |
| [19:21:17] | Gimpy: | Anduin when i grep myth i geot this though http://rafb.net/p/Bpb5AG81.html |
| [19:21:22] | Gimpy: | so it shoulmbe runnin |
| [19:21:53] | Gimpy: | isn't the guide data in the backend |
| [19:21:54] | Anduin: | Gimpy: All that shows is your grep |
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| [19:22:09] | XLV: | i got a friend interested in moving htpc from win to linux, but he wants to know whats the status of quality of upscaling of linux ( ffmpeg, xv, mplayer ogl or what? ) vs windows upscaling... |
| [19:22:17] | Anduin: | Gimpy: the guide data is in the DB, the backend does not need to be running during the fill |
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| [19:23:41] | Gimpy: | ok , i seem to be lost as to why i can't get data to populate |
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| [19:27:05] | Gimpy: | Anduin , be back in about 5 hours |
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| [19:31:25] | XLV: | anyone care to comment about quality of upscaling vs windows? |
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| [19:40:30] | mirak: | anyone uses multiproto on lenny ? |
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| [20:00:09] | dustybin: | on my CRT, when credits go up the screen, fast, they blur, is that something one has to put up with when using CRT? |
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| [20:10:15] | directhex: | yes |
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| [20:22:12] | iamlindoro__: | also with brain damage |
| [20:22:41] | laga: | clever: your patch has been applied. congrats :) |
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| [20:28:03] | stoth: | sudo apt-get remove MythWife |
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| [20:30:25] | laga: | warning: will remove the following packages: yourhouse, nicecar, alljoy |
| [20:30:37] | laga: | continue? [y/N] |
| [20:30:43] | stoth: | Y |
| [20:31:42] | laga: | packages removed |
| [20:32:19] | laga: | purging memory: /etc/good/times, /etc/awesome/parties |
| [20:33:40] | stoth: | sudo apt-cache search MythNeighborsWife |
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| [20:35:33] | laga: | No candidate found for MythNeighborsWife |
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| [21:21:42] | Floppy76: | evening all – just had to dump my PVR350 tv-out for onboard video, but playback is still incredibly slow using ffmpeg and xvideo renderer. Any pitfalls I should watch out for here? |
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| [21:33:34] | directhex: | make sure your driver works? |
| [21:34:36] | Floppy76: | hm, just found that XVideo isn't working at all |
| [21:34:51] | Floppy76: | "VideoOutputXv Error: Could not find suitable XVideo surface." |
| [21:34:54] | Floppy76: | that would explain it |
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| [21:38:36] | unsympath: | hi @ all! |
| [21:38:37] | unsympath: | :) |
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| [21:39:49] | Floppy76: | ah – worked it out |
| [21:39:56] | Floppy76: | vesa driver doesn't support xvideo apparently |
| [21:40:18] | Floppy76: | annoying: using vesa because radeon doesn't support tv-out and fglrx doesn't work on fedora 9 |
| [21:40:22] | Floppy76: | how incredibly irritating :) |
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| [21:43:44] | directhex: | you mean a driver designed to use fallbacks from the early 1990s doesn't support hardware overlay video assistance and color conversion? |
| [21:43:46] | directhex: | who knew... |
| [21:43:59] | unsympath: | :D |
| [21:44:01] | Floppy76: | yeah, ok, thanks for the sarcasm ;) |
| [21:44:12] | Floppy76: | I did suspect, I just hoped not :) |
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| [21:48:34] | unsympath: | is a hardware setup featuring an 1.8 GHz 64bit Celeron, 2x512 MB DDR2–800 RAM and an Intel GMA X3100 sufficient to sport a smooth HD Ready playback using MythTV? Any experiences? |
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| [21:56:10] | XLV: | unsympath celeron based on conroe or netburst? |
| [21:56:37] | unsympath: | it says "Conroe-L" |
| [21:56:53] | unsympath: | i like it because it's supposed to use 35Watt max ... |
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| [21:59:04] | XLV: | its based on conroe then.. 720p content should be doable, 1080p not |
| [21:59:26] | unsympath: | ah, ok :| |
| [22:00:16] | unsympath: | hm, assuming the GMA X3100 isn't capable of accelerating MPEG2 decoding? |
| [22:00:50] | XLV: | unsympath it does, but there are other codecs besides mpeg2 used in 720p and 1080p, h264, avc |
| [22:01:03] | XLV: | so in those, you'd rely only on cpu to decode them |
| [22:01:10] | unsympath: | ah, OK |
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| [22:07:28] | unsympath: | ah, XLV, sorry for highlighting you |
| [22:08:24] | unsympath: | but the TV it should put out to is just HD Ready, so I think I'm satisfied scaling media to 720p, right? :d |
| [22:09:55] | XLV: | yeah.. should be ok |
| [22:10:26] | unsympath: | GREAT |
| [22:10:32] | unsympath: | thank you very much. :) |
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| [22:18:40] | clever: | laga: i think thats the 1st or 2nd ever to get accepted:) |
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| [22:37:30] | chi: | how do i clear a database from mythvideo? |
| [22:37:35] | chi: | i accidently added a bunch of music to it heh |
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| [22:51:05] | hadees: | chi, just run the scan again after you move the music |
| [22:51:18] | hadees: | or remove the dir where the music is from mythvideo then run the scan |
| [22:52:06] | chi: | i basicly did that |
| [22:52:23] | chi: | excpet i created a directory with symlinks in it just to the video directories |
| [22:52:41] | chi: | and pointed mythvideo to that one |
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| [22:53:30] | chi: | it didn't work though all the music is still there =/ |
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| [23:02:58] | chi: | i can't even delete them by hand heh |
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| [23:03:51] | Anduin: | If they are actually in the DB, and you did move them, a scan will prompt you to remove them. |
| [23:04:15] | chi: | i unmounted the loacation and the scan still does not prompt me to remove them =/ |
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| [23:08:33] | chi: | =\ |
| [23:09:01] | chi: | it did ask me to delete all the video which i did |
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| [23:09:14] | Anduin: | Yes, and then? |
| [23:09:21] | chi: | the music was still there |
| [23:09:22] | chi: | heh |
| [23:09:52] | Anduin: | Then you must have some view option turned on that is showing actual files |
| [23:10:17] | chi: | k, i will check |
| [23:11:19] | Anduin: | if you can see it with find -t file /video_directory then "[blah] browses files" and "show unknown extensions" will show it |
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| [23:11:40] | chi: | i unmounted the directory heh |
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| [23:13:51] | Floppy76: | ok, another interesting problem – I am using SPDIF output on back of my machine. Playing back video works fine (both in MythVideo and the main recordings menu), but MythMusic doesn't play. Any ideas? |
| [23:14:07] | Floppy76: | sorry, I mean AUDIO works fine for video playback, but not MythMusic |
| [23:14:28] | Floppy76: | sound device is set to default in music settings |
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| [23:16:56] | Floppy76: | frontend log says "AudioOutput Error: Unable to set hw params for playback: Invalid argument" when I try to play music |
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| [23:23:43] | chi: | i guess i gotta redo mysql? |
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| [23:29:15] | justinh: | laga: bad news. I need to patch the OSD. the 'selected' menu item isn't different enough to the regular item on my TV |
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| [23:31:40] | justinh: | laga: http://pastebin.ca/1198663 does the trick |
| [23:32:22] | justinh: | damn gamma difference between CRT & LCD tripped me up |
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| [23:51:55] | Anduin: | chi: Are the files even in the table (videometadata)? |
| [23:52:29] | chi: | not sure |
| [23:53:23] | chi: | if they are can i just reset that table |
| [23:53:25] | chi: | ? |
| [23:54:48] | chi: | i have a second question is there a way to automate the imdb script to run on all the files? |
| [23:54:57] | Anduin: | chi: You could, but I suspect MythVideo isn't as broken as it seems. |
| [23:55:13] | chi: | hrm |
| [23:55:29] | Anduin: | chi: No (automated running for imdb.pl) |
| [23:55:36] | chi: | kk |
| [23:55:57] | chi: | this will take a while heeh i've got 2T of movies/tv |
| [23:56:36] | chi: | Anduin, i'm not too worried about the music being in there because it only shows up in video manager |
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| [23:57:26] | chi: | and it's not all the music just a bunch of files from the music directory |
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| [23:57:40] | Anduin: | chi: Do you have the "list unknown file types" checkbox checked? |
| [23:57:54] | ** chi checks ** | |
| [23:58:12] | Anduin: | (I probably have the description slightly wrong, not looking at the screen) |
| [23:58:43] | chi: | yea it was checked heeh |
| [23:59:11] | chi: | they are still there though lol |
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| [23:59:46] | Anduin: | Do you have their extensions as a configured file type? |
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