Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, September 4th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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clever:

its allways been controled thru pppoe which doesnt use the ip layer

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but rather obviously it's got an IPv4 address bound to it, probably so you can query it with SNMP

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clever:

but i cant port scan it because the router is also replying to that ip

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Dagmar:

Port scans are for people who DON'T control their hardware

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Dagmar:

Real admins *unplug things* that aren't supposed to be doing what they're doing.

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clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

That you can't portscan it means very little

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clever:

but that wont tell me crap all, about what ports the dsl modem provides

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Dagmar:

I'm probably going to hate myself for asking this, but what does it matter what "ports" the DSL modem provides?

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clever:

to see if it even has stuff like snmp or http

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Dagmar:

You care why?

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clever:

to figure out what good the ip is even doing

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Dagmar:

If you've verfified that the modem is responding for that IP, and you can't change it, you're done.

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Dagmar:

Disconnect everything but a laptop or whatever from the switch it's plugged into, and THEN scan it

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Dagmar:

..or break out the crossover cable

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clever:

that would mean disconnecting the internet connection

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Dagmar:

onoes

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clever:

which im trying to avoid

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Dagmar:

people would be in mortal peril if that happened

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Dagmar:

So if you can't move the thing off that IP space, you get to pick another netblock

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clever:

ive just put the router at 10.0.0.3 to get out of that ip

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clever:

thats weird

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Dagmar:

You're not listening.

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clever:

the vlan config returned to defaults

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clever:

everybody is back on 1 lan

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clever:

thats probly half my whole problem

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Dagmar:

You know, every time you talk about stuff like this, I wind up being just one step closer to roaming the streets with a submachine gun and a backpack full of belt-fed ammo.

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clever:

lol

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clever:

but i have found the main cause of the problems now

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Dagmar:

I told you not five minutes ago your VLAN stuff was clearly boned.

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Dagmar:

Yet, it's coming as a suprise to you now?

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Dagmar:

C'mon dude.

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clever:

and i didnt expect my switch to go retarded and undo things:P

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Dagmar:

Show some care for all those innocent people.

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Dagmar:

How will their families cope with the fact that if they were able to answer simple word problems they woudln't have had to die

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Dagmar:

I can't get over the nagging feeling that your'e just one hiccup away from circular routing

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clever:

there is no circular route thru the network

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clever:

its just a randomly growing tree

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Dagmar:

You have one device at least with two interfaces connected to the same network

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Dagmar:

...and um, "randomly" is not a word you should be usin' for thise.

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clever:

that device was supposed to be on seperate vlan's

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Dagmar:

That's another "warning sign"

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clever:

but all the ports went back to vlan 1

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Dagmar:

Honestly I don't even know why you're using VLANs

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Dagmar:

They are almost never a rational solution at home unless you're so broke you can't afford two more network cables, or you're doing a connection to a remote LAN that needs to be tunnelled

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Dagmar:

Should this router be a Linux box, allow me to also suggest you get http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#hidden

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Dagmar:

It will make your life less confusing

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Dagmar:

Linux by default, will answer ARP for any IP address it has on all interfaces

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Dagmar:

Note that this is the exact opposite of answering with the same IP address for all interfaces, particularly when someone's lost their mind and actually assigned the same IP address to multiple interfaces on the same network and host

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squish102:

i have followed this wiki post http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstream_firefly_mini on lircd and i get as far as running irw but get nothing returned when i press keys, any ideas how to continue?

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** Dagmar whimpers "Private IP addresses are free... why would someone need to recycle IP addresses in the 10/8 space?" **

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clever_:

03 21:11:28 < clever> but all the ports went back to vlan 1

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clever_:

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clever_:

i tried to move the pppoe trafic to vlan2, both ports at once

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clever_:

and the session crashed

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clever_:

but its fixed perfectly now, 1 mac on 10.0.0.1

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clever_:

i assumed 10.0.0.0/8 was another private address space:P

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clever_:

my network is currently in the 10.0.0.0/25 section

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Dagmar:

squish102: If you verified everything in that page, your hardware appears to have died.

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Dagmar:

Try new batteries in the remote

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tjcarter:

I need a new remote

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squish102:

Dagmar, i see feedback from ir receiver and i have 2 remotes..

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Dagmar:

As to why irw does nothing, that's because you should note that nothing on that page indiciates that /dev/lirc, which irw reads, is being used for input

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squish102:

and 'cat /dev/input...' seems to produce something

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Dagmar:

er /dev/lircd

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squish102:

it is like lircd does not know what to do with input or something

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Dagmar:

It's an HID device

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squish102:

and unfortunatly, i had this all working before upgrading mythbuntu from 7.x to 8.x

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clever_:

Dagmar: when i said randomly growing tree, i mean 2 of the lines off my switch are split more at other switches

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squish102:

and suddenly, even reinstalls and different hardware is not helping me

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Dagmar:

squish102: So you have done the stuff at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Snapstre . . . e_is_working

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Saviq_:

hi all, can anyone help me with a fresh gentoo installation and mythfrontend unable of stable playback of any recording? I'm getting WriteAudio: buffer underrun errors one after another... What's really weird is that the exact same hardware ran fine on a previous install, and now mythfrontend suddenly uses 99% cpu...

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Dagmar:

Saviq_: So, what's hdparm -tT /dev/yerdriveletter got to say about disk speed?

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Saviq_:

it's getting them from a remote backend

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Dagmar:

So fix your network card

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Saviq_:

doesn't seem broken at all

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Dagmar:

Well then clearly theres' no problem in getting that video across the network

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Saviq_:

well, no, that can't be the issue

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squish102:

Dagmar surprising but i have nothing under /proc/bus/usb, but cat /dev/input/firefly-mini shows some values when I press a key

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Dagmar:

Odd

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Dagmar:

You should have a /proc/bus/usb/devices

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squish102:

i have proc/bus/usb but then empty

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Dagmar:

This is a bad sign

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squish102:

but i do see my /dev/input working with the udev rule

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Dagmar:

You might want to make sure you have all the USB stuff compiled, like specifically HID device support

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squish102:

Dagmar, ok i'll check, it is a new mythbuntu 8.0.4 install, so i was hoping it would all work out the box

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Dagmar:

For more common hardware, probably so

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squish102:

there also seems to be this hardware.conf file that no1 seems to reference too often

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Dagmar:

Actually, I'd see if I could find someone in #Mythbuntu to explain why you've no /proc/bus/usb/devices

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squish102:

ok let me try that too

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Dagmar:

That might be the key that unlocks the rest

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dl:

I'm trying to install an old (pre-qt4) svn revision on gentoo, and I can't remember how to tell ./configure to use qt3 instead of qt4 for the build. Does anyone here know this offhand?

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Dagmar:

Is it _refusing_ to use qt3?

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dl:

Dagmar: It just defaults to 4.

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dl:

I've tried manually running the qt3 qmake on mythtv.pro before ./configure, but that didn't seem to do it...

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squish102:

dmesg all seems to report the usb ir receiver being loaded correctly :(

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dl:

Dagmar: How would I know if it is refusing to use qt3?

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dl:

i.e., what is the usual way to tell myth to look at my qt3 installation

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Dagmar:

If I knew I'd fess up, but I've no idea unfortunately.

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Dagmar:

I strongly suspect someone's written something on the wiki about it. Slap it with the "qt4" keyword and see what falls out

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iamlindoro:

grep -i qmake configure

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a1fa:

anybody using mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

I bet they are in #ubuntu-mythtv

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a1fa:

i am there

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a1fa:

its quiet

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a1fa:

i need to find out whats my mythtv password

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iamlindoro:

If you mean you mysql password, look at one of many mysql.txt files

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iamlindoro:

~/.mythtv

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a1fa:

got it

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a1fa:

i am using mythtv:// connection through xbmc

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chasep:

I think my mythtv is messed up. I'm watching something thats recorded, but it says live in the top right corner

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chasep:

the same thing happened a lot during the olympics too

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Dagmar:

That's the broadcast

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chasep:

:-P

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chasep:

I thought about dragging that out a bit longer, but im lazy

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a1fa:

lol

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a1fa:

this is the funnienst shit ever

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Dagmar:

Watching the RNC?

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chasep:

who gave a1fa a mirror again?

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Dagmar:

Seeing Mitt Romney say the sun should rise in the west had me rolling in the floor.

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chasep:

im just not used to seeing Republicans with speaking skills.... regardless of your political views of them, neither Bush nor McCain are great speakers.......

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Dagmar:

I woudln't call making comments about *not* wanting Big Brother around, when it's your *own* party that brought the surveillance of everyone with a phone number around...

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Dagmar:

....um.. speaking skills.

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chasep:

im not refering to content

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chasep:

but style

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chasep:

i meant that in the least political way possible

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wagnerrp:

how did he intend to make the sun rise in the west?

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chasep:

he was speaking metaphorically

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chasep:

eastern elites vs western mavericks

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SovietNinja:

Mmm anyone know of a freenode mecial related channel?

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Dagmar:

I'd go for that if it weren't for the fact that his entire speech was made up of low-hanging fruit like that

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SovietNinja:

/list gave nothing that I could see

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Dagmar:

What's a "mecial"?

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wagnerrp:

mecial? medical?

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a1fa:

hm

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SovietNinja:

medical. Yea.

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Dagmar:

Dear god

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a1fa:

mythtv:// link doesnt work in new xbmc

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Dagmar:

Unless you're heavily into leeches, for god's sake don't take medical advice from people on IRC.

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SovietNinja:

=P

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Dagmar:

alfa: Report it to #XBMC

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Dagmar:

SovietNinja: Dude, I'm not joking

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wagnerrp:

c'mon Dagmar, all the kids slom

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Dagmar:

There's people who would tell a diabetic to eat a cup of sugar for a quick pick me up

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** iamlindoro raises his hand **

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Dagmar:

...and then they would post about it to their myspace.

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SovietNinja:

Mmm wondering what the average fatal dose of paracetomol is, wikipedia is not clear

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SovietNinja:

(and it lies anyway :O )

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iamlindoro:

Yes, so come to the fount of truth.... IRC?

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Dagmar:

It'll kill your liver first

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SovietNinja:

Yup

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wagnerrp:

maximum of 4g in 24 hours

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SovietNinja:

(iamlindoro): I idle in so many IRC channels its just easier that way =P

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iamlindoro:

Three to four kilos per day, max

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SovietNinja:

Bla

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Dagmar:

Yeah more than that will resault in liver damage according to three sources

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Dagmar:

GODS NO

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iamlindoro:

#darwinawards

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Dagmar:

You realize most people are going to think you meant kilo_grams_

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Dagmar:

4 _grams_ a day

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iamlindoro:

yes, I *did* mean that

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Dagmar:

SovietNinja: And that is exactly why you should not get medical advice from people on IRC.

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SovietNinja:

Mmmm most tablets are 500mg I believe

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iamlindoro:

Same amount of chocolate I feed my dog daily

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Dagmar:

Yeah, so no more than 8 of those a day

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SovietNinja:

Interesting

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Dagmar:

...although you might just try half the recommended dose of aspirin, acetominophen, *and* ibuprophen at once

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Dagmar:

Together they work MUCH better than separately

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Dagmar:

I'd have been in hell back in 98 when I had a 3rd degree sunburn covering most of me, had the STanbeck aspirin powder guys not let me in on that bit

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clever_:

sounds like your trying to give natrual selection a helping hand

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Dagmar:

I've broken teeth since, taken just three pills, and been _fine_ since (which is kinda scary)

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Dagmar:

They're cheap, easy to find, and pretty harmless

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wagnerrp:

3rd degree sunburn... you fall asleep?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: no, I grew up in Tennessee, which is at the bottom of a valley. I spent several days (with a tshirt on mind you) working in the sun planting rebar up near Monroe, MC.

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Dagmar:

s/MC/NC/;

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Dagmar:

Monroe is *very* much higher up. Less atmosphere == MOAR UV

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Dagmar:

I cooked like a summer sausage on the range

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Dagmar:

The hospital people were less than amused to hear me say "But I've never sunburned before"

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wagnerrp:

i spent a couple days biking west, my left ear lobe turned to leather

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wagnerrp:

oddly, nothing else burned

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Dagmar:

So... no falling asleep, but I did stick about 1,000 pieces of steel into the ground

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Striker:

that sounds like fun

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Dagmar:

Oh I almost got banned from a friends apartment a couple of weeks later when they were all smoking pot and I peeled my face off in one big sheet

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clever:

just tell them they where seeing things:P

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Dagmar:

Striker: No, "fun" was riding herd over a bunch of rednecks.

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Dagmar:

We were also *physical* security for that event

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Dagmar:

When you're six feet tall, wearing a crapton of leatrher and chrome, and BRIGHT RED LIKE SATAN you *can* stop a stampeding herd of hillbillies with a stern gesture and a shouted "STOP! Walk in an orderly fashion thankyou"

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Dagmar:

Of course, if they had ignored me, I was jumping over that fence and letting them eat Marty Stuart

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Dagmar:

He was insured.

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Dagmar:

I mean, normally when you have 500+ people running your way, the smart thing to do is be somewhere else

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** SovietNinja yawns **

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SovietNinja:

Myth TV seems so awsome. I'll have to wait until I move to my new house and have an excuse to spend money building a new box to use it.

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SovietNinja:

I might try that knoppix distro with it sometime just to see what its like.

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clever:

mount a flat pannel and thin client in every wall!!!

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clever:

frontend in every room:P

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SovietNinja:

Heh heh something like that =P

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wagnerrp:

id rather not mount something capable of decoding h.264 in a wall

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SovietNinja:

I'm not actually sure how much furnishings I get for "free" with the normal rented properties

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clever:

wagnerrp: it might also be a bad idea for a rented property

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SovietNinja:

If the worst comes to the worst I'll sleep in a sleeping bag for a few month and save up.

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SovietNinja:

*months

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wagnerrp:

bah, im sure they would appreciate it if you left them installed

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clever:

wagnerrp: can a mac-mini decode 264 and run linux+mythtv?

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SovietNinja:

... fat chance :O

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SovietNinja:

I'll be takin them with me -;/

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SovietNinja:

*0/

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cesman:

SovietNinja: You need a working backend for the live CD function of KnoppMyth

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SovietNinja:

Oh really? Thats a shame

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cesman:

well, where do you expect to store videos?

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wagnerrp:

the c2d ones are at the low end of being able to do so

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clever:

ive got 4 systems that network boot from a single network server

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clever:

1 of those 4 is a recording slave

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wagnerrp:

but they still cant handle hdpvr output

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SovietNinja:

Well I guessed I could use a networked shared drive.

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SovietNinja:

Mmmm I can always set up a virtual machine or use a spare box for the master.

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clever:

wagnerrp: ahh:(

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wagnerrp:

and i guarantee that if you stick a mac mini inside a wall, it will catch fire the first time you try to do something intensive

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clever:

lol

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clever:

but you could just hang it outside the wall below the flat panek

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SovietNinja:

I wont be actuble to tape TV legally (i'll be using virgin cable in the UK) but I might give it a go

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clever:

just mount the panel on the wall normaly, and hang the box below

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SovietNinja:

The virgin+ box that allows HD has a HD anyway so its not so important.

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wagnerrp:

UK is one of those places that doesnt believe in the right to record?

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SovietNinja:

the second HD being harddiscs

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SovietNinja:

and yes that is correct wagnerrp for the most part

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SovietNinja:

You can legally record, but all the companies put extra junk into contracts saying it is illegal.

[02:00:52]

SovietNinja:

They'd rather you use there hardware =P

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SovietNinja:

*their

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wagnerrp:

so they make illegal contracts that would not hold up in court

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** SovietNinja shrugs **

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SovietNinja:

not sure. The courts here are pretty messed up

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SovietNinja:

We dont have the snazzy bill of rights like americans =P

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SovietNinja:

Taking it to a european court might work out, buts thats expensive. >_<

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wagnerrp:

the bill of rights says nothing about recording video

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wagnerrp:

its just a function of them broadcasting it

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SovietNinja:

Yea but a good lawyer can fiddle things around so that it does XD

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wagnerrp:

anything you send over the airwaves (or otherwise cable sent into your home) can be recorded, and theres nothing they can do to stop it

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SovietNinja:

Mmmhmm, sound ideal

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SovietNinja:

*sounds

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SovietNinja:

To be hoenst I'm not to bothered, i'll mostly be using MythTV to play DVD backups from this machien once I move.

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SovietNinja:

I remember when both CD's and DVD's came out they were hailed as being indestructable by normal standards

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SovietNinja:

fat chance.

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SovietNinja:

=P

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wagnerrp:

well compared to VHS standards, they were

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SovietNinja:

Oh I agree with that much at least.

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SovietNinja:

VHS was crappy. Awsome at the same time though

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SovietNinja:

I'm too young to remember Betamax being all that popular.

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SovietNinja:

But LaserDiscs were a big thing =P

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SovietNinja:

Anyhow back later folks.

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cconstantine:

Anyone care to help me get watchin' TV? I have mythtv installed, channels in, schedule direct setup, but I can't seem to either watch live tv or record programs

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cconstantine:

Simply nothing happens when I hit "Watch TV", and when I set a program to record it says "Recorder Off-Line"

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cconstantine:

Is there anyway to test the video capture? like a simple program that displays video from it?

[03:34:19]

clever:

tvtime

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clever:

xawtv

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cconstantine:

thanks

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Anduin:

cconstantine: look at the backend log, possibly one run with -v most

[03:36:29]

Anduin:

cconstantine: Which capture card?

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clever:

-v most can get pretty spammy

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clever:

my log has hit 25mb

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clever:

2008-08–29 08:07:24.371 Using runtime prefix = /media/mainlv/root/7.10

[03:37:02]

clever:

2008-09–04 00:36:45.150 AutoExpire: SendDeleteMessages. Nothing to expire.

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clever:

(very first and last line to give an idea of how wide of a time 25mb covers)

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cconstantine:

I have a haupage pv250

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wagnerrp:

do you have a /dev/v4l directory?

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cconstantine:

and the latest ubuntu

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Anduin:

cconstantine: does a "cat" test work? or mplayer?

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cconstantine:

no /dev/v4l dir, but there are /dev/video(s)

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cconstantine:

cat test?

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tank-man:

cat /dev/video > test.mpg

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Anduin:

cconstantine: cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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clever:

cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg

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wagnerrp:

the /dev/video files should not exist without a /dev/v4l

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wagnerrp:

the video files are supposed to be symlinked to nodes in /dev/v4l

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cconstantine:

hmmm

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cconstantine:

tvtime is saying "ivtv: Invalid Argument... Cannon open capture device /dev/video"

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wagnerrp:

you have ivtv installed?

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clever:

i heard somewhere that ivtv doesnt work with pvr150 type cards

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Anduin:

does tvtime do mpeg now?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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wagnerrp:

clever: cconstantine: ivtv ONLY works with PVRx50 cards

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iamlindoro:

ivtv certainly *does* work with 150s

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cconstantine:

I don't have a 150

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cconstantine:

I have a 250... got it before the 150s came out

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iamlindoro:

and 250s, and 350s, and 500s, etc.

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clever:

but the pvr150 type cards also have a frame grabber mode which should work fine with tvtime

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clever:

just for general testing of the capture/tuner

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iamlindoro:

all the x50s are ivtv

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wagnerrp:

the 150 and 250 are, for all intents and purposes, identical

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clever:

wagnerrp: i mean tvtime/ivtv

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clever:

mis spoke

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Anduin:

and you can get yuv from the x50s, not that anyone should

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clever:

somebody in here said that tvtime doesnt work with ivtv

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wagnerrp:

theres no need to use tvtime

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cconstantine:

the cat test appears to be working

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clever:

yeah cat can also be used to test things

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Anduin:

The probably meant in the only meaningful sense of that statement.

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wagnerrp:

just use the command line tools to set the channel, and grab the mpeg directly with mplayer

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive yet to find out how to select the input(tuner/composite/svidoe) thru the cli tools and yes i checked the man pages

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cconstantine:

I get static... but I get something

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iamlindoro:

clever, nobody said tvtime doesn't work with ivtv, we said ivtv doesn't do mpeg

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clever:

iamlindoro: then how is ivtv giving mpeg2 streams?

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clever:

technicaly its the card that encodes it

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iamlindoro:

oh now YOU've got ME doing it

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro:

tvtime doesn't do mpeg2, that is

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clever:

:P

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cconstantine:

right...

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iamlindoro:

anyway, you said someone said tvtime doesn't do ivtv, and nobody said that

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clever:

but ivtv has a framegrabber mode which should work fine on tvtime

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iamlindoro:

but is useless for testing purposes for myth, so it's a useless point

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clever:

i beleive its one of the extra /dev/videoX nodes that ivtv makes

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clever:

it would only be usefull to test the hardware stuff, like is the stb plugged in properly

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iamlindoro:

Sooooo how in the world would that help the problem at hand?

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Anduin:

cconstantine: time to look at the backend logs/make sure there aren't permissions problems

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iamlindoro:

as his problem has nothing to do with the STB being plugged in

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clever:

it wouldnt hurt:P

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cconstantine:

STB?

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clever:

i allways do all my card testing(tvtime/cat /dev/video) from the username that runs mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

clever, it also wouldn't help, retard

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wagnerrp:

set top box

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clever:

so the permision problems come up early

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cconstantine:

tvtime was running under the same user as 'cat'

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cconstantine:

I'm not seeing errors in the backend log

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cconstantine:

and the only thing the frontend is complaining about is the joystick

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clever:

2008-09–04 00:00:08.157 TVRec(4): Changing from None to RecordingOnly

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clever:

is there a line like that in the backend logs?

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clever:

(might say livetv instead if your using that)

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cconstantine:

nope

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cconstantine:

adding: monster as a client

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cconstantine:

thats it

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clever:

do you still see the card under mythtv-setup ?

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cconstantine:

yeah

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cconstantine:

xawtv is only showing a black screen... I can't seem to get it to show anything

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cconstantine:

I do have 2 mysqld_safe procs each using 50% cpu... could that be related

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cconstantine:

?

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clever:

start a mysql client up and check the active querys

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clever:

mysql -u mythtv -p

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clever:

show processlist;

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cconstantine:

3 sleeps and 1 show processlist

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Anduin:

cconstantine: While doing that stuff, look for crashed tables, the wrong table crashed can mess up the scheduler (though you would still have something in your backend log)

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clever:

shouldnt be using any cpu then

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Anduin:

also a full HDD

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cconstantine:

hd is not full

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clever:

yeah a full hdd can cause all querys to halt

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clever:

though i can tell it isnt full because all querys are asleep:P

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cconstantine:

hmm, after playing around in xawtv I can't get any bytes out of /dev/video0

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clever:

restarting the driver may help

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clever:

sudo rmmod ivtv;sudo modprobe -v ivtv;dmesg|tail

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cconstantine:

I can now see will and grace in the cat-ed test.mpg

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cconstantine:

still no luck with mythtv

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clever:

so something is working!

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clever:

im off to sleep

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cconstantine:

hehe, thanks. g'night

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iamlindoro:

The most obvious answer would be you chose card type "v4l" instead of "MPEG-2 encoder card" type

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iamlindoro:

Under "Capture Cards" in mythtv-setup

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strex:

thinking about seperating my FE from my BE, has anyone done this that can tell me of advantages / disadvantages

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tank-man:

you can have a quite frontend if you want and a noisy backend somewhere else

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wagnerrp:

tank-man: thats not so true anymore

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tank-man:

how so?

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wagnerrp:

before, the backend would hold a number of noisy hard drives, and a big processor for transcoding

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wagnerrp:

now, everything is already compressed, so theres not such a need for transcoding, hard drives are quiet, but decoding HD requires a fairly big processor

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tank-man:

well im still content with SD content

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J-e-f-f-A:

tank-man: Who needs a quiet frontend when you've got surround sound?!? ;-)

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tank-man:

lol

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strex:

J-e-f-f-A|work: I second that

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wagnerrp:

basically, all a remote backend gets you is volume

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wagnerrp:

you can have a big case containing large quantities of drives and tuners, and have a small frontend

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah, my laptop makes sounds even with the fan off, but as soon as i start any playback i cant hear it

[04:41:32]

wagnerrp:

noisy drive, or noisy LCD?

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clever:

the cpu itself

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clever:

the sound changes based on cpu load/type

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clever:

idling makes more noise

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clever:

certain types of massive IO have a uniq sound

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wagnerrp:

so youre hearing the caps cycling

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clever:

ive been told its the power suply for the cpu

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Dagmar:

There's no power supply just _for_ the CPU

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Dagmar:

There's circuits that feed the CPU power tho

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wagnerrp:

adjusting the kernel timer may fix that if its the mobo caps

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Dagmar:

Those caps are probably crap

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clever:

there, now the system is idle at 700mhz with no fan

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Dagmar:

Thankfully, they're usually soldered right through the board, and therefore more or less easily replaceable

[04:44:33]

clever:

and i can hear the network io from the slave backend recording to my drive

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wagnerrp:

are your speakers on?

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clever:

its a laptop, so everything is less replacable

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Dagmar:

Ou h

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Dagmar:

c

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Dagmar:

Don't try it then

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clever:

wagnerrp: i beleive the sound is the cpu, though ive gotten similar sounds out of my desktop speakers when turned up high

[04:45:11]

strex:

could be fun..

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clever:

Dagmar: yep

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wagnerrp:

laptop audio is usually horribly shitty, and you may be hearing electronic noise bleeding through the sound system

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp+

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Dagmar:

er ++

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Dagmar:

(no there is no karmabot here)

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, its similar to the sound i get on my desktop

[04:46:02]

clever:

though i still hear it after muting master and pcm

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Dagmar:

You got a mic?

[04:46:23]

Dagmar:

Something small?

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: maybe try one of those usb sound cards...

[04:46:45]

Dagmar:

Logitechs "Premium" laptop headset is the shiznit.

[04:46:53]

Dagmar:

$44 is a pretty sweet price for it

[04:47:02]

clever:

i have a mic in my mp3 player

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: that wouldnt eliminate the sound from the internal speakers enless i unplug them from the mobo

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Dagmar:

You'd want something you could basically use like a stethescope

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clever:

ahh

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Dagmar:

Or, if you actually have a stethescope

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strex:

anyone know where to get a pvr-500 in the US for a descent price?

[04:47:33]

clever:

to track down the source

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Dagmar:

It makes it much easier to figure out where a sound is coming from

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Dagmar:

strex: NewEgg is about it

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Dagmar:

Maybe froogle or pricewatch are decent alternatives to search with

[04:48:14]

Dagmar:

You're still looking at spending $!25–150

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clever:

Dagmar: using just a short plastic tune i can track it down some

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clever:

i hear it best near the cpu

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wagnerrp:

strex: your best bet is probably ebay or creigslist, they dont make those anymore

[04:48:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: it might, if you plug something into the 'regular' headphone jack on the laptop to shut off those speakers...

[04:48:59]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah i thought of that too, but that leaves a plug sticking out 24/7 when using an external card

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Dagmar:

Yeah looks like NewEgg is out of them now

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strex:

Dagmar: yep

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Dagmar:

Froogle still finds a few

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strex:

everyone seems to be out

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Dagmar:

Pricewatch shows nothing as well

[04:49:45]

Dagmar:

http://www.google.com/products?q=pvr-500& . . . rch+Products

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Dagmar:

I'd go with the site with 338 ratings and five stars

[04:50:32]

strex:

same, but if you look at some of them, their all sold out / discontuned.

[04:50:40]

wagnerrp:

if its 'near the cpu' rather than from the speakers, its probably shitty caps on your motherboard

[04:50:55]

clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

There's a site called "AtomicOverload" coming up in that list, but I woudn't use them unless I had the AMEX Blue card that lets you gen one-time-use CC numbers

[04:51:07]

wagnerrp:

you can hear them as the CPU cycles between states

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clever:

and it doesnt go away when i connect a headphone plug

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wagnerrp:

changing the kernel timer should then change the frequency

[04:51:55]

Dagmar:

...although it looks like they list on eBay, so if you could dig them up on eBay, you could reasonably safely pay them through PayPal and get it for $100

[04:52:05]

Dagmar:

That is, if I don't get grabby and buy it later this week. :)

[04:52:07]

clever:

the freq is less noticable at 100% load, probly because its not going into 'idle' state as much

[04:52:16]

clever:

and boinc solves that

[04:52:34]

wagnerrp:

correct, its cycling between load and idle states

[04:52:43]

clever:

also the CPU fan is loud enough to drown out the high freq sounds

[04:52:59]

clever:

so if i simply change it to 1ghz, it generates enough heat to keep the fan on 24/7

[04:53:25]

wagnerrp:

of course, you could just change it to 100Hz, and the noise will probably go away

[04:53:39]

clever:

i dont have that fine of a control on the cpu freq

[04:53:46]

clever:

i only have 700mhz and 1ghz

[04:53:58]

wagnerrp:

kernel timer... kernel timer... kernel timer... kernel timer...

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Dagmar:

You could also just set the governor to "performance" and leave it at 100%

[04:54:21]

clever:

and changing the kernel timer means a total recompile of the kernel

[04:54:38]

clever:

im using speedstep_smi.ko for the freq changes

[04:54:43]

Dagmar:

Ah

[04:54:44]

clever:

and its allways been buggy on this laptop

[04:55:06]

Dagmar:

Damn there is a degree to which being able to search for stuff to buy is not good for my bank account

[04:55:10]

clever:

it takes several seconds to change speed

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clever:

time -p cpufreq-selector -f 1000000

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clever:

real 1.33

[04:55:39]

clever:

root@olddell:~# time -p cpufreq-selector -f 700000

[04:55:40]

clever:

real 1.16

[04:55:43]

Dagmar:

I'm supposed to be still worrying about extending the length of the stalks my scooters rear-view mirrors are mounted on, not ogling a second PVR-500 card

[04:55:55]

clever:

i highly suspect its counting the bogomips every time i change speed

[04:56:10]

clever:

and the solid lockup that causes is enough for many buffers to overflow

[04:56:16]

Dagmar:

There's ways in which a tiny Taiwanese scooter doesn't quite "work" for a "giant american" like me

[04:56:19]

clever:

touchpad mouse,keyboard, serial port

[04:57:16]

Dagmar:

All I can see in them is my shoulders unless I lean, and the underseat compartment just does *not* work for an XXXL helmet

[04:57:21]

clever:

it was extremly anoying at the defaults

[04:57:34]

clever:

i would run ls, it would cause enough cpu to make it jump to a faster speed

[04:57:46]

clever:

then just as i go to type a command in, it returns to idle and locks up for 1.5 seconds

[04:57:53]

clever:

on damn near every command

[04:58:12]

wagnerrp:

i need to fix scaling on my laptop

[04:58:17]

clever:

and 70% of the time, i would overflow the keyboard buffer and loose keys

[04:58:21]

wagnerrp:

i broke it a few kernel upgrades ago

[04:58:31]

wagnerrp:

and havent bothered figuring out what i did wrong

[04:58:37]

Dagmar:

Expect to have to relearn what you're supposed to do

[04:58:46]

Dagmar:

They've shuffled quite a bit of the support around between modules

[04:58:51]

clever:

on the newer laptop, i ran into a weird problem, it keeps getting stuck at 600mhz

[04:58:59]

clever:

i beleive the problem was overheating

[04:59:13]

Dagmar:

That sounds like ti wasn't turning on the fan when it's supposed to

[04:59:15]

clever:

it silently droped to a lower speed to manage the temp, and never told me

[04:59:23]

clever:

the fan was allready at full speed

[04:59:29]

clever:

but the lcd panel was closed

[04:59:40]

clever:

and half the airflow goes thru the keyboard

[04:59:53]

clever:

which helps to suck hair into the keys!

[05:00:32]

clever:

running 1.6ghz 100% load with the lcd sealed shut for 12 hours doesnt help the fan

[05:00:57]

clever:

now that i know its because of the heating, i can lower the cpu load and it fixes itself instantly

[05:01:07]

clever:

but a dmesg about why its doing that would have been nice

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clever:

crap, im now at 82c without the fan going

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strex:

later folks

[05:01:45]

clever:

level 2!

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clever:

77 c now, but it could be better

[05:02:55]

wagnerrp:

your computer pulls air through the keyboard?

[05:03:12]

clever:

wagnerrp: the fan is under the keyboard, and theres nothing seperating the 2

[05:03:23]

Dagmar:

No, but there's passive transport of heat that actually does go through the keyboard, AND screens make a wee bit of heat of their own

[05:03:24]

clever:

the fan is open in the top&bottom and sucks air in from both sides

[05:03:26]

wagnerrp:

my keyboard is sealed

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my computer is far cooler with the screen open, but theres no airflow going through there

[05:04:10]

clever:

yeah theres many factors

[05:04:24]

clever:

im down to 65 now simply by turning the fan back on

[05:04:31]

Dagmar:

You don't have venting, but wrap yourself in 1/2 inch of plastic and see how comfy you are in 20 minutes

[05:04:40]

Dagmar:

8D

[05:04:40]

wagnerrp:

where the hell do you get all this funky ass hardware?

[05:04:47]

clever:

Dagmar: or a winter coat:P

[05:04:53]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I think he dumpster dives

[05:05:03]

clever:

its my dads old work laptop

[05:05:05]

wagnerrp:

no need for winter coat, just plastic

[05:05:11]

wagnerrp:

the human body does not like plastic

[05:05:12]

clever:

he gets a new one every few years

[05:05:18]

clever:

and we get to keep the old outdated laptop

[05:05:18]

Dagmar:

Plastic is better for bodysledding

[05:05:28]

clever:

gone thru 5 laptops now

[05:05:32]

Dagmar:

It's just a little harder to explain to the "grownup" types when they see you

[05:05:53]

wagnerrp:

i was always a fan of cafeteria trays for sledding

[05:06:12]

wagnerrp:

clever uses his old laptops for that purpose

[05:06:17]

clever:

but is the cafeteria a fan of you?

[05:06:27]

Dagmar:

Not after what he's done to their nice metal baking pans

[05:06:38]

Dagmar:

The key is to *wax* the bottoms of htem

[05:06:47]

Dagmar:

..and have your life insurance paid up

[05:06:56]

Dagmar:

...and never, ever, go sledding in a canoe.

[05:06:57]

wagnerrp:

metal baking pans? no, these were the laminated paper/plastic ones

[05:07:14]

Dagmar:

Canoes won't survive even one impact with a tree.

[05:07:30]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You've been missing out

[05:07:39]

wagnerrp:

plus they curl back inward into a spike at the front

[05:07:45]

wagnerrp:

not something enjoyable to run in to

[05:07:48]

clever:

and my temp is still droping, 59 now:)

[05:08:18]

wagnerrp:

start licking your heatsink, the moisture and evaporation will rapidly drop temperature

[05:08:29]

clever:

and i'll burn my toung:P

[05:08:55]

clever:

its gone under 60 now, so i8k has turned the fan to 0(off) automaticaly

[05:08:55]

wagnerrp:

na... the moisture will protect your tounge

[05:09:06]

clever:

only if i touch it for a short time

[05:09:08]

wagnerrp:

think of it like licking your fingers and putting out a candle

[05:09:22]

clever:

the longer i leave it on there, the more the water boils off and the less im protected

[05:09:35]

clever:

the trick there is to kill the flame before you boil all the water off

[05:09:36]

wagnerrp:

thats... bad if water would boil off your heatsink

[05:09:53]

clever:

ive had it in the 90's before

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wagnerrp:

no wonder your board makes noise, you fried the electrolytics

[05:10:57]

clever:

lol

[05:11:07]

clever:

i didnt leave it there long

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You are *mean*

[05:12:12]

clever:

one of my bigger problems is how mplayer buffers audio

[05:12:20]

clever:

if anything causes it to freeze up

[05:12:27]

clever:

it dumps all the delayed audio at once

[05:12:33]

clever:

and adds it to the existing buffer

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clever:

causing the thing to play 200 chunks of 50ms at once

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Dagmar:

Sounds like broken ACPI tables

[05:12:50]

clever:

200x as loud as normal

[05:13:27]

clever:

painfull when using headphones

[05:13:53]

clever:

suddenly locks up, then yells in my ears

[05:15:31]

wagnerrp:

now that im thinking about it, i would be at more of a risk of cutting up my tongue rather than burning it if i licked a heatsink

[05:15:51]

clever:

also i cant get at the heatsink without tearing the keyboard off

[05:16:32]

clever:

it would be simpler to insert a few metal fins into the heatsink(thru the exaust port) to help radiate theheat

[05:16:59]

wagnerrp:

simpler, and worthless

[05:17:03]

clever:

ive also seen some designs online that are basicaly a blower system to force extra air into the heatsink from the outside

[05:17:27]

wagnerrp:

there would not be very good contact between plates

[05:17:55]

clever:

yeah, you might need some cpu heatsink stuff

[05:18:09]

clever:

which wont exactly stay in place if the normal fan is blasting air out there

[05:18:14]

clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/laptop

[05:18:48]

wagnerrp:

that thermal grease is significantly better than air, but that doesnt actually make it a good conductor

[05:19:24]

Dagmar:

It's just better than air

[05:19:24]

clever:

a better but more perm method would be to weld/solder the fins right to the heatsink

[05:19:40]

clever:

but that might be tricky since the sink is designed to disapate heat

[05:19:48]

clever:

would be hard to heat it up enough to solder

[05:19:52]

Dagmar:

Yep.

[05:20:00]

wagnerrp:

it would be very easy to heat it up enough to solder

[05:20:03]

Dagmar:

I'd say use a drill and some teeny weeny screws and bolts

[05:20:06]

clever:

like soldering large brass valves to copper pipes

[05:20:24]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It's really hard to get solder to stick to things that like to dissipate heat

[05:20:43]

Dagmar:

It's hard to get a good bond with anything short of one of those big-ass Weller irons that you'd be an idiot to use on PC components normally

[05:20:57]

Dagmar:

Like, a 150W iron == DEATH for most stuff we deal with

[05:21:03]

wagnerrp:

but welding, unless youre VERY good, you would just burn through the sheets

[05:21:11]

clever:

i have a massive gun like iron with 2 levels in the trigger

[05:21:21]

Dagmar:

I watched a guy in Electronics 101 over at the community college insist he could use one

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well i assumed you would remove the heatsink from the computer before hand, and just heat it with a blow totch

[05:21:29]

wagnerrp:

torch

[05:21:29]

Dagmar:

...on a 555 timer chip.

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clever:

i used it to solder some speaker wire to the power connectors on a laptop mobo once

[05:22:09]

clever:

the normal connector was soldered thru the board, and i just added my 2 wires to the 'reverse' side

[05:22:24]

wagnerrp:

use brute force plumbing techniques, rather than standard electronics soldering

[05:23:08]

clever:

it worked great at first

[05:23:31]

clever:

easily connected the power suply and had no more problems of knocking the nail out of the side

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tank-man:

solder failing cause of heat, i think thats the problem with the xbox360s

[05:23:54]

wagnerrp:

thats not at all the problem with the 360

[05:23:56]

clever:

but after a few days, the whole laptop just went completely tits up

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clever:

the charging led wont even come on anymore

[05:24:14]

wagnerrp:

the heat causes the board to warp, and literally rip the chips out of their sockets

[05:24:41]

clever:

also the leadless solder they used forms small cracks when heated and cooled alot

[05:24:58]

clever:

which could open up when things expand and break the connection

[05:25:56]

Dagmar:

That and they used heat-melting sink compound, just like on the firs Xboxes

[05:26:01]

Dagmar:

A stroke of genius that

[05:26:16]

Dagmar:

Heat sinks just fall right off

[05:26:20]

clever:

LOL

[05:26:25]

wagnerrp:

so it was just all around bad juju

[05:26:29]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

They should have used thermo-setting compound

[05:26:42]

clever:

the only time microsoft will make something that doesnt suck, is when they make a vacume cleaner

[05:26:52]

Dagmar:

Meh their mice are pretty good

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clever:

you cant realy screw up a mouse:P

[05:27:09]

clever:

enless you feed it to the cat

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Dagmar:

Oh you can

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wagnerrp:

at that point, they will have gone from suck to blow?

[05:27:19]

Dagmar:

Logitech had a LOT of mice that sucked.

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clever:

ive never realy had a mouse fail

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Dagmar:

They had a trackball that looked like it was designed by Vorlons (yes, *those* Vorlons, from Babylon 5)

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clever:

this dell usb optical mouse i have is so used, the bottom looks like i took a belt sander to it

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Dagmar:

...which is all well and good, except there was a ridge that went across the *top* of the ball, preventing you making any motion longer than about an inch with it

[05:28:13]

clever:

the divet for the feet is missing and half the surface is polished smooth

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wagnerrp:

i frequently end up with the scroll wheels going bad in mice

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Dagmar:

The G5 I have no is just hardcore

[05:28:39]

Dagmar:

Those teflon feet rock

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Dagmar:

s/have no/havenow/;

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wagnerrp:

still didnt quite get it

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clever:

the teflon feet fell off my dell mouse, and there is nowhere to put them anymore

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but if I have to do that twice, the messgae probably isn't important enough

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clever:

and half the rubber feet from my laptops fell off because the glue melted

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Dagmar:

clever: Yeah but they were the free mice tho so

[05:29:27]

wagnerrp:

ive had three mice end up with different levels of disrepair of scrollwheels

[05:29:45]

Dagmar:

Yeah I've got a mouse that the wheel no longer clicks

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wagnerrp:

i had a microsoft ball mouse where it completely stuck

[05:30:01]

wagnerrp:

microsoft trackball that doesnt like to go one direction

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Dagmar:

It's just completely smooth when you scroll it. The little thing to make it detente just gave up the ghost

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wagnerrp:

and my current mx1000 doesnt like to click anymore

[05:30:17]

Dagmar:

Kensington makes nice trackballs.

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Dagmar:

One of their models was compatible with pool balls.

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clever:

ive seen some mice with a 2 axis 'scroll wheel'

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Dagmar:

Friend of mine used to use an 8-ball

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clever:

its basicaly just a track ball inside the mouse

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wagnerrp:

i still use the microsoft trackball when i forget to charge my logitech

[05:31:13]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: are those the ones that were like 1/3 the size of a keyboard?

[05:31:32]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Yes. Big monsters

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clever:

sounds fun!

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Dagmar:

You could definitely do well in a FPS with them

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wagnerrp:

i have a friend who had one of those for his mac

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Dagmar:

...oncce you got used to the bal.

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wagnerrp:

i couldnt get used to playing marathon

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I couldn't use the trackball, but he did really well with it in Quake so I wasn't going to question it

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Dagmar:

w00t! Time to flee the office

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clever:

one of my ps2 trackball mice went tits up awhile ago

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wagnerrp:

i used to play against someone who played TFC with a trackball

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clever:

the cord would heat up when you connect it.....

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wagnerrp:

she regularly kicked my ass

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clever:

the bonus for a track ball is that you never have to pick it up when you hit the edge of the desk/mouse pad

[05:35:13]

clever:

and it could continue spinning more from momentum so you could give it a spin and shot 360 for 30 seconds:P

[05:35:22]

clever:

like an automated turret

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clever:

mow down a whole crowd

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clever:

though you may need to addjust the accel settings

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clever:

ow

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clever:

i felt the lag caused by a 6gig ext3 delete

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clever:

from 15 feet away

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wagnerrp:

thats what you get for working on an nfsroot system

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tank-man:

35$ for pvr150 http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=13167&promoid=1043

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Andrew_Barber_:

i'm trying to install the apple trailer plug in, but when i try to run the trailer grabber, i am getting "permission denied"

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Andrew_Barber_:

as sudo

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wagnerrp:

why would you run it as sudo?

[07:21:40]

wagnerrp:

rather, why would you run it using sudo

[07:21:46]

wagnerrp:

pastebin the error

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Andrew_Barber_:

sorry

[07:21:50]

Andrew_Barber_:

i ran it without

[07:21:52]

Andrew_Barber_:

and got that

[07:21:58]

Andrew_Barber_:

then figured i needed to be sudo

[07:22:02]

Andrew_Barber_:

and still got it

[07:22:04]

Andrew_Barber_:

will do

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wagnerrp:

all it does it copy some files to the user directory

[07:22:29]

wagnerrp:

if the user does not have permissions to their own directory, you have issues...

[07:24:06]

Andrew_Barber_:

http://pastebin.com/m7e614a86

[07:24:44]

wagnerrp:

you dont have permission to write to that file

[07:24:58]

wagnerrp:

although sudo should have worked

[07:25:12]

wagnerrp:

if you use the correct syntax

[07:25:20]

wagnerrp:

ive never used sudo so i dont know if you used it properly

[07:25:32]

wagnerrp:

anyway, you should be running that command as user 'mythtv', not 'abarber'

[07:25:43]

wagnerrp:

does mythfrontend run under the user 'mythtv'?

[07:27:12]

abarber:

you know, i'm not sure

[07:27:26]

wagnerrp:

is the frontend running? 'ps ax | grep mythfrontend'

[07:27:34]

wagnerrp:

it will list the user in the far left column

[07:27:47]

clever:

wagnerrp: yes half the problem was my nfsroot:P

[07:28:03]

clever:

but the other half was the 1 solid hour of static that murdered the compression algo

[07:28:13]

wagnerrp:

that sounds fun

[07:28:17]

wagnerrp:

cable get disconnected?

[07:28:19]

clever:

the recordings shouldnt be 6gig, they should be 1gig

[07:28:25]

abarber:

wagnerrp: it returned a number

[07:28:27]

clever:

no it went to the wrong channel

[07:28:29]

clever:

2 instead or 28

[07:28:36]

clever:

and 2 has a very poor signal

[07:29:01]

clever:

the ir blaster still drops digits

[07:29:13]

clever:

need to get some kind of OCR system in place so it can detect failures and retry

[07:29:40]

clever:

i allready have a webcam on the STB and it snaping an image after every channel change

[07:29:56]

wagnerrp:

my bad, i get top and ps mixed up sometimes

[07:30:07]

wagnerrp:

'ps ax -O user | grep mythfrontend', second column

[07:30:32]

clever:

or just 'pidof mythfrontend'

[07:30:50]

wagnerrp:

that just gives the PID, i wanted the username

[07:30:54]

clever:

ahhh

[07:31:07]

wagnerrp:

mythappletrailer should be running under whatever user runs the frontend

[07:31:11]

clever:

ps aux|grep -v grep|grep myth

[07:31:33]

abarber:

lol, which should i use?

[07:31:42]

clever:

try one and see what it shows:)

[07:31:43]

wagnerrp:

either, doesnt matter

[07:32:11]

wagnerrp:

trial and error will eventually reach the proper solution

[07:32:12]

abarber:

abarber is the user

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wagnerrp:

ok, then in the installation guide, replace '/home/mythtv' with '/home/abarber'

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wagnerrp:

and all should be well

[07:32:57]

abarber:

ah

[07:33:03]

abarber:

okay, thanks

[07:33:34]

wagnerrp:

same thing with the cron, run it as your user rather than mythtv

[07:33:56]

abarber:

i'm trying to see how much i need to change

[07:34:23]

clever:

bbl

[07:34:29]

wagnerrp:

it should amount to moving two files

[07:35:09]

clever:

crap

[07:35:17]

clever:

mythfrontend is ignoring my input again

[07:35:23]

clever:

cant stop playback

[07:35:34]

wagnerrp:

use mythweb

[07:35:47]

wagnerrp:

or telnet directly

[07:36:09]

clever:

its ignoring the telnet control also

[07:36:36]

wagnerrp:

so, you killed mythfrontend, and mythtv is just continuing on its merry way?

[07:36:47]

wagnerrp:

'mythtv' being the internal player

[07:36:56]

clever:

yeah

[07:37:07]

wagnerrp:

actually, i have no idea if the frontend calls mythtv, or just loads the same libraries

[07:37:08]

clever:

playback is just spinning away like nothing is wrong

[07:37:19]

clever:

it runs it internaly within the process

[07:37:33]

clever:

so its using the same libs

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wagnerrp:

well then its not using any libs, its just running the process

[07:38:34]

clever:

there is no 'mythtv' program running

[07:38:34]

clever:

ive had this crash before

[07:38:42]

clever:

when playback ends and it goes back to the recording list

[07:38:44]

clever:

everything recovers

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clever:

kill -9 also 'fixes' it:P

[07:39:16]

** clever goes off to just watch it:P **

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Kernel:

hello all. is it possible to have mythtv get more then 2 weeks in line ups?

[07:40:45]

Kernel:

id prefer if it could get more then 2 weeks at a time.

[07:41:18]

wagnerrp:

if you can find an xmltv provider that gives more than 2 weeks, mythtv can handle it just fine

[07:41:33]

wagnerrp:

good luck with that

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Kernel:

ok ok. so its only SD that have the 2 week cap?

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wagnerrp:

correct, SD only provides 2 weeks

[07:44:26]

wagnerrp:

also, note that schedules do change

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wagnerrp:

chances are that if you do happen to find one beyond two weeks, it will be inaccurate

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Kernel:

ok thanks. i was just curious.

[07:54:51]

clever:

wagnerrp: discovered something new

[07:54:55]

clever:

ctrl+c == crash!

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clever:

Signal: Interrupt

[07:55:03]

clever:

Ungrabbing XVideo port: 57

[07:55:03]

clever:

*** glibc detected *** mythfrontend: corrupted double-linked list: 0x081bf160 ***

[07:55:07]

justinh:

no no no I can't go on holiday next July, my EPG says there's a new series of Lost starting

[07:55:30]

clever:

justinh: uhh, cant you just record it and watch it after the holiday?

[07:55:58]

justinh:

just pointing out how useful more than 14 days' worth of EPG data would be :P

[07:56:02]

justinh:

(i.e. not very)

[07:56:10]

clever:

:P

[07:56:17]

clever:

it does have other problems though

[07:56:35]

clever:

conflicts come up when the show is repeated the next day(past the 14 day cap)

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clever:

if it had the 15th day of data, the conflict wouldnt exist since it could schedule it later

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webman:

is there any way to get mythtv to record a program without using mythfrontend ? I've looked at the web interface, but it doesn't allow me to record, only view upcoming recordings/status ???

[08:00:21]

clever:

look arround more!

[08:00:36]

Kernel:

hmm im looking at my cable co's channel list for the standard package.....and it has channels i dont have ....mythtv's channels end at like 77....theres channels into the 100's.

[08:01:04]

Kernel:

if i manually switch the channel with "ivtv-tune -c 116" or w/e ...it static.

[08:01:25]

Kernel:

are the pvr-150's limited to the amount of channels they can handle?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

unless you're using the wrong frequency range

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Kernel:

i have it set to us-cable

[08:04:09]

Kernel:

whats the other us-cable settings all about? like irc and the others?

[08:04:20]

Kernel:

i just have normal cable from comcast.

[08:05:30]

bug1:

is it possible to start mythtv-setup in windows instead of fullscreen mode ?

[08:05:37]

bug1:

windowed i mean

[08:06:12]

clever:

bug1: just change the settings to windowed mode in mythfrontend's settings

[08:06:17]

bug1:

when i start it at the moment, the display is garbled, like its trying to display the wrong width or something, i tried to manually specify resolution, but it hasnt helped

[08:06:29]

bug1:

k, ill try

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bug1:

hmm, the -w switch for mythfrontend doesnt seem to make nay difference

[08:08:50]

bug1:

mythfrontend and mythtv-setup have the same display problem

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bug1:

i guess it could be the underlying graphics system, is it supposed to be gtk ?

[08:10:50]

clever:

mythtv uses qt

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clever:

-geometry or --geometry WxH Override window size settings

[08:11:19]

clever:

-w or --windowed Run in windowed mode

[08:11:29]

clever:

-r or --reset Resets frontend appearance settings and language

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clever:

those should do something to fix it

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webman:

does anyone know of a method to control what programs are recorded other than mythfrontend ?

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clever:

webman: mythweb

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laga:

GreyFoxx: do you know off-hand if mythgame disables the screensaver when a game is played?

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laga:

GreyFoxx: we have a bug report against mythbuntu

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bug1:

still no luck...

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bug1:

i guess i will have to try building from scratch

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webman:

clever: hmmm, I get an error about not installing php-mysql but it is installed already... any suggestions ?

[08:38:09]

clever:

make shure php is loading it and make shure to reload apache

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clever:

##php can help with that

[08:39:22]

webman:

clever: I did a /etc/init.d/apache2 stop and start ... I'll look into it when I get home...

[08:40:03]

webman:

btw, I did manage to use VNC to connect remotely, and use mythfrontend, but damn it was slow, and it kept cutting out (I assume some internet network connection problem)...

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justinh:

freenx ftw!

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justinh:

I'm relieved. thankfully I did my own svn diff before messing about with the svn checkous & I'm back at square one :)

[08:55:41]

justinh:

I think what I'll do in future to keep things right is do checkouts to directories with version numbers

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bug1:

rebuilt mythtv from source, i can see the boarder of mythtv-setup now, still cant see any text

[09:13:36]

justinh:

missing font, perhaps?

[09:13:45]

justinh:

make sure msttcorefonts is installed

[09:14:35]

justinh:

when a suitable non-MS font is found & all the devs find it agreeable, the dependency on MS corefonts will go away :)

[09:16:00]

bug1:

there are heaps of X errors

[09:16:33]

bug1:

X error: BadMatch and X error:RenderBadPicture

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bug1:

i do have msttcorefonts installed

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justinh:

bug1: try this: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt

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bug1:

and now the borders are all corrupted like before...

[09:20:02]

bug1:

so something must have changed somehow just by trying to start it

[09:22:12]

bug1:

justinh, the borders are still corrupted, there msut be 2 bugs

[09:24:13]

bug1:

i give up, thanks for the advice though...

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Andrew_Barber:

i successfully installed the apple trailer plug in, but when i went to view trailers, the screen was blank

[10:03:18]

Andrew_Barber:

and pressing any key crashed myth

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[10:08:36]

justinh:

it is not a plugin

[10:08:48]

justinh:

it's a hack of a bunch of hacks which messes with menu xml files

[10:09:13]

justinh:

and it doesn't even use myth to play the trailers

[10:10:01]

justinh:

and it contravenes Apple's website usage terms. naughty

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tjcarter:

you know, I watched DNC and am watching RNC.. I couldn't get excited with DNC at all... It was like ... meh.

[10:22:42]

tjcarter:

I expected the RNC would be the same. Then they announced Sarah Palin. Now this is interesting.

[10:22:55]

tjcarter:

Oh, we Americans are screwed no matter who wins--that hasn't changed

[10:23:46]

tjcarter:

But prior to Palin, Obama would have won if it came out at the end of October that Obama eats babies..

[10:24:17]

tjcarter:

Fox News will of course report in a couple of hours that Obama eats babies, according to sources "close" to the campaign..

[10:24:29]

directhex:

palin is just such a mad, mad choice

[10:24:42]

tjcarter:

Fox News: Fair and balanced. We report, you believe this shit!

[10:24:49]

justinh:

at least Palin will get the fundamentalist Christian / Creationist vote though

[10:25:02]

tjcarter:

I don't think so actually

[10:25:12]

directhex:

i mean, the mccain platform is all about experience – they made it the cornerstone of their "why obama is bad" rhetoric

[10:25:16]

justinh:

the daughter spanner, eh?

[10:25:33]

justinh:

just elect somebody who isn't a despotic maniac already

[10:25:37]

tjcarter:

The fundies tend to be the ones who believe a skirt can't run a household, let alone anything bigger.

[10:25:59]

directhex:

now, if you want to change your mind, then fine, change your mind. if you think a woman with no real experience has the balls to be president, then fine! say that!

[10:26:04]

tjcarter:

To be fair, Palin has more experience than Obama, McCain, and Biden combined.

[10:26:13]

directhex:

but trying to convince people that palin is more experienced than obama... ugh

[10:26:15]

tjcarter:

not one of them has ever been in a decision-making capacity

[10:26:20]

tjcarter:

She has 20 months ;)

[10:26:24]

directhex:

tjcarter, for a tiny village?

[10:26:35]

tjcarter:

directhex: 20 months as governor of Alaska

[10:26:43]

tjcarter:

directhex: same time Obama's been a senator

[10:27:06]

tjcarter:

of course, Obama's been running for president for 19 of those 20 months

[10:27:26]

justinh:

just get it over with already. the world is tired of it by now

[10:27:29]

tjcarter:

Not one of them has one damned bit of experience.

[10:27:36]

directhex:

tjcarter, other than firing librarians for not book-burning and police chiefs for firing people she doesn't like, what has she done in 20 months?

[10:28:05]

directhex:

tjcarter, i don't MIND the lack of experience. i mind making experience the cornerstone of a campaign, then presenting nothing as something!

[10:28:15]

tjcarter:

directhex: She took on Democrats, Republicans, AND the oil industry, for corruption.

[10:28:22]

tjcarter:

at the same time.

[10:28:40]

directhex:

tjcarter, and has a corruption investigation ongoing against her. sunrise, sunset

[10:29:13]

justinh:

corrupt politicians... people always seem surprised. like celebrities & drug habits

[10:29:22]

tjcarter:

Yeah, "corruption" for potentially improperly offering a police chief a different position which he didn't take, then resigned..

[10:29:32]

tjcarter:

justinh: No kidding

[10:30:29]

tjcarter:

directhex: you'd prefer a guy who hangs around racist lunatics and people who want to blow up buildings?

[10:30:51]

directhex:

tjcarter, wasn't he eight when the latter item was happening?

[10:31:21]

directhex:

tjcarter, not to mention sarah palin's alaska secessionist ties & anti-semitic church?

[10:31:25]

tjcarter:

directhex: That would make the latter not matter, if the person responsible for the latter were reformed.

[10:31:51]

tjcarter:

directhex: oh, but you can't talk about Obama's religion.. Why Palin's and not Obama's?

[10:32:11]

tjcarter:

Also, Palin can't be elected because she's got kids?!

[10:32:13]

tjcarter:

wtf.

[10:32:14]

directhex:

you can talk about both or none

[10:32:22]

tjcarter:

Exactly.

[10:32:47]

tjcarter:

But Obama's entire campaign so far has been to say that you can't talk about his flaws

[10:33:40]

directhex:

as opposed to mccain?

[10:33:42]

Andrew_Barber:

sorry, i stepped away...so no fans of apple trailers "hack"?

[10:33:56]

directhex:

"xyz" "I WAS A POW, DAMNIT!"

[10:34:34]

justinh:

Andrew_Barber: not really

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tjcarter:

You can't say that his race matters (even though it does--it SHOULDN'T, but it does..) Nor what his wife (a campaign surrogate) says, nor his friends, his religion, his foreign policy plans, or his intent to raise the tax rate to 65% in some places..

[10:35:01]

justinh:

you can't say that many people outside the US even give a shit :)

[10:35:01]

directhex:

ehm... 65%?

[10:35:06]

tjcarter:

Yes

[10:35:19]

directhex:

where, exactly?

[10:35:20]

Andrew_Barber:

justinh: damn...i really thought it was a great "plugin" and cannot find a single flaw in my setup

[10:35:25]

tjcarter:

In places like NYC, if you make a certain income, under his plan your tax rate will be 65%

[10:35:47]

directhex:

you do know how tax banding works, yes?

[10:35:56]

tjcarter:

of course, you're the dirty rich people who need to be soaked anyway.

[10:36:01]

Andrew_Barber:

lol

[10:36:13]

Andrew_Barber:

at calling someone dirty because they are successful

[10:36:39]

Andrew_Barber:

"hey you, you're good at what you do so we are going to punish you for it"

[10:36:41]

tjcarter:

Andrew_Barber: 65% tax rate will make them not successful pretty quick I imagine

[10:36:49]

Andrew_Barber:

EXACTLY

[10:36:50]

directhex:

tax is banded

[10:36:53]

tjcarter:

even the "wealthiest 1%" will be in the poor house

[10:37:00]

Andrew_Barber:

ultimate disincentive to become rich

[10:37:08]

justinh:

they don't get the whole of their earnings taxed at 65%

[10:37:09]

justinh:

jesus

[10:37:13]

directhex:

wow, the mccain campaign has been doing their job well!

[10:37:29]

fryfrog:

yeah, uh.. even if the wealthy have their taxes raised, they won't be going to the poor house.

[10:37:32]

tjcarter:

They've done anything?

[10:37:36]

directhex:

justinh, i think "<directhex> you do know how tax banding works, yes?" is a big fat NO

[10:37:46]

fryfrog:

who do you think is able to take advantage of all those little tax loop holes that are all over the place? poor people? :p

[10:37:58]

justinh:

heheh

[10:38:02]

quicksilver:

fryfrog: mostly tramps in my experience.

[10:38:08]

fryfrog:

tjcarter: there is some obama tax site to see if your tages would go up

[10:38:09]

quicksilver:

fryfrog: they pay no tax at all. bastards.

[10:38:14]

tjcarter:

fryfrog: those who make less than $18,000 a year last year pay $0 in federal income tax.

[10:38:24]

fryfrog:

it is indeed the riches 1% and my heart bleeds for them

[10:38:28]

justinh:

political campaigns == spreading of FUD

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tjcarter:

State ... you're on your own.

[10:38:44]

directhex:

tjcarter, and your tax is banded. if you earn $18001, you don't end up poorer

[10:39:30]

fryfrog:

you know, if republicans were really republicans, i'd like them a bit more

[10:39:32]

tjcarter:

Okay, these guys need to get off the POW thing.

[10:39:42]

fryfrog:

I'm firmly fiscally conservative and socially liberal

[10:39:46]

tjcarter:

fryfrog: I was saying the same thing just last week

[10:40:07]

fryfrog:

at least in theory i'd half line up with republicans, but the last few republicans have given us more debt, bigger government, etc, etc

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tjcarter:

fryfrog: Dubya is about as fiscally conservative as Jimmy Carter.

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tjcarter:

About as bright too.

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fryfrog:

i could stomach their social conservative aspects if we could actually have less debt, less government intrusion, less government in general :/

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directhex:

the obama tax plan is to lower taxes for those who can't afford it, and increase it for those who can (>$600k a year, iirc), using standard tax banding techniques. the net result across the population should be pretty much zero

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directhex:

the mccain plan is to cut it more, the more you earn, so the poorest gain nothing. and to make up for the shortfall in income, they OH LOOK SOMETHING SHINY

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tjcarter:

directhex: can't be zero

[10:41:23]

fryfrog:

mccain seems like a bush clone :p

[10:41:30]

fryfrog:

bwhahhaha

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tjcarter:

directhex: do you know what his medicare for * would cost?

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jblack_:

a republican that makes less than 200k is self destructive. : )

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: the *net* effect sure can be zero

[10:41:54]

fryfrog:

lower and middle class pay less, upper pay more

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tjcarter:

medicare for *

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** tjcarter shudders **

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directhex:

oh noez, the sick won't be punished

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fryfrog:

tjcarter: do you know how much the iraq war costs *every* day?

[10:42:35]

Andrew_Barber:

a lot

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tjcarter:

Several million dollars

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fryfrog:

i think it is what, a week or two of the iraq war == our education spending?

[10:42:47]

** tjcarter opposed the invasion of Iraq **

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Andrew_Barber:

that's not how the budget should be thought about

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tjcarter:

We shouldn't have gotten involved with Iraq

[10:43:16]

Andrew_Barber:

oh, myth related question

[10:43:23]

tjcarter:

oh good =D

[10:43:27]

tjcarter:

We need those

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Andrew_Barber:

i am using myth to view photos for the first time

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fryfrog:

mmm, myth porn

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fryfrog:

nothin gwrong with that

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Andrew_Barber:

and they come up weird

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Andrew_Barber:

like negatives

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Andrew_Barber:

almost cartoony in nature

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tjcarter:

interesting

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Andrew_Barber:

any ideas?

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tjcarter:

all a particular format?

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tjcarter:

or did you try mixing formats?

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Andrew_Barber:

all jpgs

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Andrew_Barber:

stock photos

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tjcarter:

convert one to png and see what happens

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Andrew_Barber:

k

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Andrew_Barber:

gogogo gimp

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Andrew_Barber:

now why in the world did that work?

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tjcarter:

problem with jpg handling?

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Andrew_Barber:

yeah, but why?

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justinh:

permissions?

[10:50:22]

Andrew_Barber:

is jpg a tricky format?

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tjcarter:

Yeah that I don't know.

[10:50:30]

tjcarter:

It's not really

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tjcarter:

justinh: permissions on what?

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Andrew_Barber:

permissions?

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justinh:

oh wsit just read the scrollback

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** justinh goes back to not caring **

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Andrew_Barber:

lol

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Andrew_Barber:

it has to be a myth issue since the files look fine in image viewer in ubuntu

[10:52:41]

justinh:

what about when you open the actual images?

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justinh:

in mythgallery I mean

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justinh:

not just when it's showing thumbnails

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Andrew_Barber:

same

[10:53:51]

justinh:

blame qt

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Andrew_Barber:

both thumbnail and full screen the colors are off

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tjcarter:

didn't video playback do that in early 0.20?

[10:54:16]

Andrew_Barber:

fix?

[10:54:30]

justinh:

video playback libs != jpeg handling libs

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tjcarter:

I don't know

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tjcarter:

Andrew_Barber: check your libjpeg independently maybe?

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justinh:

trunk or -fixes?

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Andrew_Barber:

you lost me justin

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tjcarter:

Andrew_Barber: are you running 0.21-fixes or svn trunk?

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justinh:

are you running mythtv 0.clueless-fixes or the dev version? if you don't know you shouldn't be using anything

[10:57:34]

Andrew_Barber:

the former

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Andrew_Barber:

what does that mean for me?

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Andrew_Barber:

SOL?

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laga:

sphery: i think we can still add the path to the XMLTV config to the settings table, by adding a suffix to the settings key: configpath-$name_of_video_source. it's easier to clean up that way.

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justinh:

open a bug with screenshots attached – and maybe one of the offending pictures

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laga:

sphery: i have yet to figure out if that's better than your storage group patch :)

[11:02:42]

justinh:

maybe it's a qt bug...

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Andrew_Barber:

maybe

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justinh:

I'd suspect as much cos I think myth uses qt's jpeg libraries

[11:03:37]

justinh:

oh one more idea – you using then opengl or qt painter?

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justinh:

try using the other & see how that goes

[11:04:27]

justinh:

maybe you have broken opengl :)

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** tjcarter is still trying go decide between JFS and XFS **

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tjcarter:

I presently use the latter, but will soon upgrade

[11:06:25]

Andrew_Barber:

how can i change what myth uses for images?

[11:06:39]

justinh:

ruh?

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tjcarter:

Fix Qt

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justinh:

like avoiding use of qt libraries? hahaha

[11:07:46]

justinh:

where do said jpegs come from anyway?

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Andrew_Barber:

they're in my pictures folder

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tjcarter:

mo-pron.com, where else.

[11:08:26]

justinh:

try putting other 'known good' pictures in there too

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justinh:

open a few in gimp, resave em as different files.. then see how mythgallery goes on

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Andrew_Barber:

i presume they will work since that first one did

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Andrew_Barber:

i'd hate to have to convert all pics to png

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quicksilver:

if they are indeed corrupt

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quicksilver:

a oneline shell loop with 'convert' ought to fix them all.

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quicksilver:

for i in *.jpg; do convert $i "$i.fixed.jpg"; done ;

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justinh:

resave em as jpegs with different names

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quicksilver:

or something like that.

[11:12:58]

Andrew_Barber:

poth paint engines...same result

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justinh:

you still didn't answer my question about where the pics came from

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justinh:

i.e. what created them

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Andrew_Barber:

ah, they were stock

[11:13:49]

Andrew_Barber:

so i don't know, tbh

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justinh:

the more you try things, the more it might help narrow it down

[11:15:33]

Andrew_Barber:

i'm downloading some more images from the interwebs

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justinh:

I've seen images which preview file but don't load, images which preview garbage but load fine.. in all sorts of programs

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justinh:

s/file/fine

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justinh:

it's easy to end up with a corrupt file

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Andrew_Barber:

justinh: yeah, it's starting to seem that way

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Andrew_Barber:

other jpegs come up fine

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justinh:

case closed

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justinh:

and just because a file opens fine in one app, and not in another – doesn't mean the file isn't bad :)

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Andrew_Barber:

i'm still confused

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Andrew_Barber:

but i will accept it

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Andrew_Barber:

and move on

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Andrew_Barber:

.org

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Andrew_Barber:

there's our segue back to the political arena

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tjcarter:

Andrew_Barber: convert from jpg to jpg

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Andrew_Barber:

?

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tjcarter:

with imagemagick convert command

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tjcarter:

it's lossy, so you won't want to keep the second jpg

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tjcarter:

but try it

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Andrew_Barber:

i already tossed the folder :-(

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Andrew_Barber:

justin convinced me

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tjcarter:

Try OTHER jpeg then

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Andrew_Barber:

everything else is working fine

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Andrew_Barber:

it was that one directory

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tjcarter:

ah

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tjcarter:

so not quite proper jpeg

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Andrew_Barber:

that was mysteriously negative

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tjcarter:

you could've just converted the whole thing to png

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tjcarter:

or just get other pr0n

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Andrew_Barber:

duh

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Andrew_Barber:

:-)

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tjcarter:

LOL, now here's a way to get excited about an election..

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tjcarter:

http://inventorspot.com/articles/best_8_bizar . . . ph_inte_8275

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tjcarter:

(#2)

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tjcarter:

Don't ask.

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justinh:

niiiice. I get to run iometer on 7.5TB of disks

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tjcarter:

ugh

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tjcarter:

that'll teach you to have so much discspace

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justinh:

hmmm approx 105MB/sec with 50MB transfers, 90% writes, 80% sequential

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mzb_d800:

and who's a file-squirrel? ;)

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stuarta:

i have enough trouble watching my 500Gb of recordings

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mzb_d800:

got those in raid justinh ?

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** stuarta suspects it's his day job **

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mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

wait I said 7.5TB.. that was bull. 5x750GB != 7.5TB. I need coffee again

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mzb_d800:

I'm up to 1.7TB and starting to struggle ... suspect it will get worse when have a guest staying for a while

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stuarta:

~ 3Gb

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** mzb_d800 != raid (yet) **

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justinh:

I dunno if I could have this disk box at home. 2U rack unit about 90cm deep

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justinh:

waste of space just to keep 5 HDDs

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justinh:

but get this... each HDD has its own fan (!)

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mzb_d800:

cute

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stuarta:

sounds like one of them off the self NAS in a box

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stuarta:

shelf

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justinh:

blimmin retarded arrangement if you ask me. there's a central intake duct with its own fan – leading to 5 ducts – one for each HDD

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mzb_d800:

I've got no raid on mythtvBE, but raid10-f2 on my server => impressive for what it is

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sid3windr:

what's 10-f2 ?

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mzb_d800:

f2=far2

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mzb_d800:

raid10 linux module

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sid3windr:

oh

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justinh:

stuarta: it's not – this is way bigger & noisier :P

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stuarta:

heh

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justinh:

oh and the whole thing is on a sliding rack. so you can move the HDDs while they're still spinning down

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justinh:

PHBs should not be allowed a say in hardware design

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mzb_d800:

sid3windr: theory is that the opposite side of the mirror is on the 2nd half of the disk ... allows for a greater chance that one of the mirrors will have a head in the right position ... I figured that was a good idea for a xen server

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justinh:

btw, this 5 HDD enclosure only weighs 25 kilos

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stuarta:

mzb_d800: interesting concept

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mzb_d800:

(that's the rough translation of my limited understanding;)

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justinh:

we have some 5 port PM boards that could be used er.. externally though :)

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mzb_d800:

in addition to that, the ext3 partitions need to be setup with the right stripe+stride ... long story

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justinh:

so some good will come of this :D

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mzb_d800:

so justinh, what's the size of the main intake fan compared to the drive fans?

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mzb_d800:

(out of general interest)

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justinh:

too small :)

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justinh:

80mm, vs 5 40mm fans

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justinh:

oh sorry no, 70mm

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justinh:

some people think MOARFANZ == more airflow no matter what, obviously ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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justinh:

still, it makes a noise like a loud server-class product :D

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justinh:

they could've used a newer sata bridge & put 8 HDDs side on in a 3U enclosure but no :)

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justinh:

and had each in their own little caddy

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justinh:

didn't want to know. the guy had this idea, see & it's not for changin' – and nobody is fool enough to tell it how it is

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mzb_d800:

sid3windr: sample dd on raid10 (very light load on system)

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# dd if=/dev/md10 bs=16K count=256K of=/dev/null

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mzb_d800:

4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 19.2983 s, 223 MB/s

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mzb_d800:

really depends what else is happening:

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mzb_d800:

wench:~# dd if=/dev/md10 bs=64K count=64K of=/dev/null

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mzb_d800:

(run 3 times)

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mzb_d800:

4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 36.985 s, 116 MB/s

[13:42:01]

mzb_d800:

4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 24.5662 s, 175 MB/s

[13:42:08]

mzb_d800:

4294967296 bytes (4.3 GB) copied, 19.5677 s, 219 MB/s

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mzb_d800:

but you get the idea

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Dibblah:

Proper caddies are a good idea in some environments – Better managed airflow, etc.

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mzb_d800:

ps: that's 4x250GB SATA2 on X2–3800+ mobo with 4xSATA1(?) ports

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mzb_d800:

I'd love to have enough $ to do that with mythtv, but I guess that'll have to wait

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sid3windr:

mzb_d800: cool

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mzb_d800:

I'm not convinced that f2 is the best for all situations, but with the small amount of testing I've done it seemed pretty good so I stuck with it ... too late to change now ;)

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mzb_d800:

totally convinced that linux raid10 is way cool, however

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mzb_d800:

very different beast to 1+0 from what I understand

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mzb_d800:

I only compared different raid10 configs (f2,n2,o2) to raid5

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stuarta:

been a while since i even looked

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mzb_d800:

impressive difference

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justinh:

my desktop machine here has 8x sata2 ports

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mzb_d800:

and being able to have a hot spare on pata is an interesting concept

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justinh:

useless as a backend machine though – only 2x PCI slots

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mzb_d800:

justinh: that's just greedy ;)

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mzb_d800:

... brb ... I can here woman stealing my lollies!

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stuarta:

not that useless, 2 pci = 2 tuners

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stuarta:

that covers most situations

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sid3windr:

2 pci can even be 4 tuners! :]

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stuarta:

:-P

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stuarta:

i have mine configured so 2 = 6

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mzb_d800:

yeah, but 4 tuners *could* (without patching mythtv) == 20 ;)

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mzb_d800:

(not including usb)

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sid3windr:

you're confuzzling me greatly

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mzb_d800:

multirec

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mzb_d800:

so 2 x dual tuners =4 tuners

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mzb_d800:

4 tuners * 5 simultaneous recordings (each tuner on one transport) == theoretical limit of 20 recordings

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mzb_d800:

* note the theoretical part ;)

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stuarta:

prob run out of i/o bandwidth first

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sid3windr:

multirec won't really work on a pvr500 though :]

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sid3windr:

are there dual dvb tuners on pci?

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gbee:

er, yeah – Nova-T 500 for one

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mzb_d800:

dvico dual digital 4 (rev 1)

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mzb_d800:

bugger ... out of jersey caramels ... will have to go back to beer :|

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stuarta:

curious combination

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mzb_d800:

not by choice ;)

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mzb_d800:

fuelling my two addictions

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mzb_d800:

(and guess what ran out first!:)

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stuarta:

beer?

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mzb_d800:

nah ... Wednesday is beer night ;) ... still got a couple left

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mzb_d800:

gbee: are you aware of a quality difference between the Dvico dual digital 4 and the Nova-T 500?

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mzb_d800:

I've got a friend/client (whatever) that will need a good quality tuner (but currently believes that a USB tuner with rabbit ears will suffice! ... DOH!)

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gbee:

mzb_d800: nope, not really too familiar with the Dvico – Nova-T 500 suffered some early firmware and driver issues, but I've been using one for 18 months now without hassle

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gbee:

just need to get the latest firmware and kernel for the driver

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gbee:

but that's probably true of the Dvico too

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mzb_d800:

not a card you could run with rabbit ears, though ... right?

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GreyFoxx:

hmmmm wonder if I can find a cheap pvr500

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GreyFoxx:

I want to move the backend with my pvr cards to an ATOM board and it only has the one pci slot

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gbee:

mzb_d800: not sure I'd try it

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mzb_d800:

me neither

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mzb_d800:

trying to prove to him that he's got rocks in his head (again)

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gbee:

it's got a built in amp (which isn't enabled by default for some very stupid reason) but you need that enabled even with a rooftop aerial to get a decent signal

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mzb_d800:

he's just paid me (lots? of) $ to build him a mythbox (jealousy;) ... but now says he's too tight to install an aerial ... *sigh*

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mzb_d800:

at least I got paid in advance for the job

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mzb_d800:

f0rk3d if I'll be hand-building him a digital aerial and wiring it in ;)

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justinh:

what a gimp he sounds like

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gbee:

I can get away with a loft aerial here, but it's going to vary

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directhex:

i can't get away with a loft aerial, but it's what i've got

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mzb_d800:

he (now) lives about 500m away from me ... so I

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directhex:

though in a year or two they turn on a new transmitter 3 miles way

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mzb_d800:

I'm *very* familiar with the signal levels he'll be dealing with

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gbee:

at least here in the UK the digital signal strength is pretty low right now, to avoid interferance with the analogue until that's switched off

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mzb_d800:

we're about 6km from the transmitter

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mzb_d800:

and it's both UHF and VHF

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mzb_d800:

(both digital and analogue)

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directhex:

the transmitter they're turning on in 2011 is 3-mux-only

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gbee:

the more I think about it, the stranger it seems to me that they are trying to avoid degrading the analogue but at the same time trying to get people to switch

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gbee:

you'd have thought a crappier analogue signal would give people the push they need

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mzb_d800:

sounds a little like "delaying spin"

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directhex:

the one i'm pointed at is 6 mux, but signal levels at 2011 mean i get 5, 4.5 muxes top

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directhex:

s/at/until/

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mzb_d800:

(both digital and analogue on each band)

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justinh:

directhex: it's ok – soon there'll only be 5 muxes :)

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directhex:

in 2011 the lot gets pumped up & i should get pretty much the same reception on all muxes. interestingly the frequencies also change

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mzb_d800:

ie: digital is specifically designed *NOT* to interfere with analogue

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mzb_d800:

(in the case of .au, anyway)

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gbee:

meh, album which arrived this morning is bitterly disappointing, sound completely flat compared to the live

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Dibblah:

Heh. For some reason freedesktop.org is dead...

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gbee:

the regulator out here is just a money grabbing piece of crap, instead putting the spectrum to use they are cramming everything in as tight as they can in the hopes of auctioning off space and filling the government purse

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Dibblah:

... And it's not even on /. yet...

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gbee:

the irony is that the money they raise will probably just be spent on even more gravy train quangos like Ofcom

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justinh:

unelected quangos ftl!

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stuarta:

quango me

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justinh:

you know when you've been quango'd :P

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mzb_d800:

Dibblah: I had issues dragging source from freedesktop.org this week

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mzb_d800:

(bitbake)

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mzb_d800:

had to keep breaking the build so it forced a timeout and went to secondary (wild guess)

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Dibblah:

Pretty sure it's either all the feverish geeks refreshing the xorg server release page, or the fact that everyone's at the xorg conference.

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mzb_d800:

btw justinh: I've built a replacement (aka slower but smaller) desktop for ${WOMAN} using a board similar to an M10K ... an idot.com.tw GA-PCV2 (no tv out) ... quite impressed with mpeg2 playback but haven't figured out issues with mpeg4 yet (assuming screen size, etc)

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Dibblah:

A VIA CPU... Doing mpeg4...

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mzb_d800:

yeah

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Dibblah:

(assuming you mean h.264)

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mzb_d800:

no

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mzb_d800:

err

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justinh:

I will not be swayed from my low opinion of via boards

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mzb_d800:

transcoded

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mzb_d800:

whatever that is

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mzb_d800:

I'm happy with it so far ... it's only been 24 hrs and I'm getting WAF+

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revolution`:

heya i have been playing around with myth for about a week now and still haven't fixed an issue i am having that the video is being duplicated http://www.onlinemind.net/pic1.jpg

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mzb_d800:

bought a slim dvd-burner on ebay for au$16 delivered (less $5 in stamps from generous seller) ... hoping to have it setup so she can burn dvd's of her recordings

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mzb_d800:

(spent a few hours filing down the cover plate to fit the drive tray;|)

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justinh:

revolution`: can you spell 'video driver problem' ?

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revolution`:

i have played with the video drivers

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revolution`:

and just playing video works fine

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mzb_d800:

stereo tv ... too modern for me ;)

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mzb_d800:

(oh ... and being *something flat* as well;))

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justinh:

revolution`: just playing video outside of mythtv works fine, yada yada. doesn't mean your video drivers aren't broken though

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mzb_d800:

so perhaps more detail about his video card + drivers + profile would help?

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justinh:

he's free to detail what he's already 'played with', sure

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justinh:

I'm not in any mood to put thumb-screws on folks :)

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mzb_d800:

let me help you then

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** mzb_d800 tests his plethora of corkscrews on justinh's head **

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revolution`:

i have a ati x1250 witht the fglrx drivers

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mzb_d800:

oops wrong head

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revolution`:

i am using the normal profile

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** mzb_d800 tests his plethora of corkscrews on revolution`'s head **

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gbee:

revolution`: which driver version

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revolution`:

well i ahve tried all of them

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mzb_d800:

sorry justinh ... hope that didn't leave a dent ;)

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gbee:

it's not the profiles, it's the driver, which version are you using

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justinh:

nah I'm wearing my tin hat today :D

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mzb_d800:

:))

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justinh:

Thursdays are when they beam instructions

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** mzb_d800 gets out his corkscrew sharpener **

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gbee:

justinh: oh you too? I though it was just me

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mzb_d800:

they beam a day earlier in .au (timezone thing that makes us feel like we're living in the future)

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revolution`:

driver 2.1.7659

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mzb_d800:

revolution`: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mythtv+fglrx+double

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mzb_d800:

??

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gbee:

err ... that's not any driver version that I recognise

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revolution`:

thats what i got from fgrlxinfo

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revolution`:

its ok i continue to search google

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mzb_d800:

(I'd check the first result and try that first;)

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mzb_d800:

^^

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revolution`:

i just didn't want to be something simple i was overlooking

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gbee:

well whatever it is, it's _old_, the x1250 needs at least 8.4

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mzb_d800:

"Changing the interlacer helps." seems to be a pretty simple suggestion

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justinh:

doubt that's anything to do with deinterlacing method

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gbee:

actually, looks like that might be newer ... :D so revert to 8.4

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revolution`:

i did read something about bob but didn't know how to enable in myth

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mzb_d800:

still a simple idea to try (jic)

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mzb_d800:

without replacing drivers // buying real GPU ;) // reinstalling box .... etc

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revolution`:

i was thinking of buying a new box

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mzb_d800:

(no offence to ATI users;)

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sid3windr:

offence taken!

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sid3windr:

:>

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mzb_d800:

ah ... well there's a really simple answer ... through $ at the problem ... heh :))

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mzb_d800:

s/throw

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revolution`:

i really don't like ati

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revolution`:

the decoder is the deinterlace correct just a different name?

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mzb_d800:

I've never had the misfortune of owning one (in modern history) .... that story gets longer but I'll let it go ;)

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revolution`:

nm stuipd question

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mzb_d800:

sid3windr: a few years after amd's influence takes over their chip production and driver methodology I might be tempted to swing that way ;)

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

I just swapped all my ati's for nvidia ;)

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mzb_d800:

easier, isn't it?

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revolution`:

i wish i had a nvidia card

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** gbee loves his x1250 **

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justinh:

I wish I could fly, right up to the sky, but I can't

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gbee:

revolution`: deinterlacing settings are the second page of playback profiles, decoder is on the first page

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revolution`:

yeah i found that just flicking through different ones

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mzb_d800:

the server I was talking about previously has PCI-E ... I had to run a PCI graphics card in it, but as I needed to use that card elsewhere I decided to by an nv pci-e card for it .... started looking at 6xxx up ... ended up with a 7600GS (fanless) for au$30 delivered

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gbee:

future's onboard

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mzb_d800:

(ran out of PCI VGA cards coz I *stupidly* through a lot of junk out recently ... doh)

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directhex:

threw

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mzb_d800:

gawd ... for a 2nd time

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mzb_d800:

been mixing my beer (1st excuse;)

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gbee:

you wouldn't have heard me say that 3/4 years ago, but as the price of kit declines and new GPUs don't really offer much more than the old ones, I think most people would be replacing the motherboard as often as they replace the GPU these days (unless you're a hardcore gamer)

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mzb_d800:

thanks directhex, I'd better try using my second head

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justinh:

these days you blimmin well have to replace the GPU along with the motherboard anyway. damn new slots

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mzb_d800:

when you consider the price difference between a good mobo and a good graphics card (not aimed at linux) I find that hard to believe for the next 3 yrs (min)

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gbee:

onboard means smaller board, more free slots for stuff that actually matters

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revolution`:

if your motherboard dies its time for new everything

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justinh:

depends what has pci-e on any of your current rigs

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justinh:

none of my gear has pci-e or sata

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justinh:

oops. my laptop has :P

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mzb_d800:

I've got an XPS30 here with dual 9800GT's in SLI ... but I ain't touchin' it

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gbee:

revolution`: but new mobos, even with onboard GPUs are a fraction of the price they were 5 years ago, you can get a decent mobo with decent enough GPU for the price of a standalone card in most cases

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mzb_d800:

(I'm pretending it doesn't exist)

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gbee:

plus how many mobos have actually failed on you? I've lost just one in twenty years

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mzb_d800:

6150 kind of thing?

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mzb_d800:

(nv)

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justinh:

gbee: yeah you don't need 4 gazillion billion million texels/sec to run mythtv :)

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justinh:

I hope that's always the case too – well maybe til we get a full on mod-air interface paradigm :D

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revolution`:

gbee, agreed

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mzb_d800:

get an m10K if you don't care that much ;)

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gbee:

you only need the top range graphics cards for games, everything else will run on the low-mid range gear which is available now

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justinh:

mzb_d800: ah GPU power aside you have to have enough CPU grunt :)

[15:09:50]

mzb_d800:

killjoy ;P

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mzb_d800:

;))

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justinh:

a Via 1ghz is enough for SDTV, with the wind behind it, on a good day with optimisations

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mzb_d800:

don't forget the red tie!

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justinh:

so long as it's not h.264

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justinh:

I need to sneak my laptop back in here

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mzb_d800:

(I think the red tie might having something to do with attracting bull(s))

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justinh:

I'd move faster with a bull chasing me ;)

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mzb_d800:

I'd have to think about it

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** mzb_d800 points to the rodeo clown **

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justinh:

btw gbee I changed back to rev. 18204, patch applies cleaning. same menu-ui.xml file – no segfaults now but it's complaining QPixmap::fromImage: Cannot convert a null image

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justinh:

s/cleaning/cleanly

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justinh:

maybe it's a base.xml thing

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gbee:

yeah, I don't have a clue just now and I'm preoccupied with other things

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justinh:

fair enough :)

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mzb_d800:

(bull averted?)

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gbee:

wanted to get more done this week, but it'll all have to wait

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justinh:

I should never have taken a break from hacking myth. I can't even do the most basic stuff anymore

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mzb_d800:

revolution`: iow: get a 5 or 6 series nv on ebay for M$20 and double check your problem then

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justinh:

parsing the new tag. fine. my VERBOSE says it's done so. but prolly not defined the bool in the right place so it's not showing up where I need to test it

[15:17:01]

mzb_d800:

s/M$20/<$20/

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justinh:

I'll crack it eventually no doubt. beats working

[15:17:32]

laga:

i'm kinda planning to make a wizardy mythtv-setup thing. or maybe just some mockups/proof of concept

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revolution`:

yeah i might take the video card out of my pc and put it in the tv box

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mzb_d800:

cheaper than buying a new system

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justinh:

wizardy? alahhhh mythtv-setup bimzalabim?

[15:18:12]

laga:

uh, yeah

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laga:

i suppose.

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[15:19:13]

laga:

i thought i was gonna do it in python + glade, but re-creating/hooking in the database stuff is probably a lot of work and c++ can't be that hard if you've already done a bit of java

[15:19:24]

justinh:

1. ask user what day it is. compare $day to actual day & if correct, continue with setup

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laga:

"does your VCR show a blinking 12:00 on its display?"

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mzb_d800:

"Top Gear" quote: How hard could it be?

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justinh:

eesh. somebody set the dome in reception on patrol mode

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mzb_d800:

milf hunter?

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justinh:

hrm... or more like it moved to a new preset cos it's generally hometime

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justinh:

methinks them is doing some checking up on folks

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justinh:

mzb_d800: no such thing here man

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mzb_d800:

ah ... secret men's business

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gbee:

have I had a stroke?

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mzb_d800:

how can you tell?

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gbee:

in this channel? Well it's not easy

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mzb_d800:

you can only rely on witnesses ... and none of them can be trusted ;)

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mzb_d800:

now that I've hit my peak (rock bottom) I guess I'd better give you lot a rest for a few hours while I dream of the day when it will be cheaper+faster to freight a parcel from Sydney to Hobart than it is to get the same result for Wisconsin to Hobart ... doh!

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mzb_d800:

Australia Post!!! grrr

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mzb_d800:

goodnight all ;)

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revolution`:

thanks for your help guys

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justinh:

mzb_d800: if we had any number of nice looking women work here do you think everybody would be so miserable? ;)

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laga:

we didnt know everybody was miserable

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laga:

we only know you are miserable ;)

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justinh:

well, nobody walks in through the front door skipping & singing :D

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laga:

lots of married man, eh? ,)

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justinh:

you can leave home smiling but that's gone by the time you get here :)

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justinh:

wtf is jam @ tigger on the -dev list wiffling on about?

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laga:

for the love of god, i didn't subscribe to mythtv-dev to get stuff that belongs on mythtv-users

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wagnerrp:

oh! but minor setup issues need to be brought to the attention of the devs

[17:08:30]

laga:

yeah

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laga:

stuff like "my box hangs when i plug in this PCI card"

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wagnerrp:

probably because they plugged in a PCI card with the machine running :)

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sphery:

laga: my big problem with settings whose name (value) contain encoded foreign-key info is that it often gets left around when it should be deleted.

[17:35:43]

sphery:

Your original patch is probably the best approach, but the DB update would be a problem for -fixes. Perhaps do the setting approach for -fixes, only, and the proper approach for trunk?

[17:38:20]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, ive removed a pci card with it on before and the thing hung:P

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clever:

the screw was loose and connecting the coax pushed it out

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wagnerrp:

typically not a good thing to test

[17:43:03]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

the card and system are 'unharmed'

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clever:

just had to power down and fix the connection

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justinh:

I think that people should be banned from the -dev list for being OT :)

[17:47:50]

justinh:

likewise, ban people from trac who hijack tickets

[17:48:03]

wagnerrp:

maybe one or two warnings and then a ban

[17:48:10]

gbee:

or #mythtv ...

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gbee:

you _know_ who you are!

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gbee:

:p

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, those areas are only for people who are legitimately developing

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wagnerrp:

if you have anything to provide there, you should know what is and what is not acceptable

[17:49:24]

justinh:

some of the reputation the dev community has could be avoided if the -dev list was only posted to by people doing development

[17:50:15]

justinh:

and folks who want to help improve thinggs by canvassing opinions of other devs may not give up on things as often ;)

[17:50:31]

gbee:

yeah, it's funny how some of the bad press mythtv devs get is actually caused by users being rude etc to newbies

[17:51:30]

gbee:

the devs, almost without exception, are all nice guys

[17:51:53]

liri:

does mplayer have a telnet interface similar to vlc to control it's playing?

[17:51:57]

gbee:

more often than not they'll avoid replying to things rather than telling you it's a stupid idea etc

[17:52:18]

wagnerrp:

vlc has telnet?

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GreyFoxx:

liri: There is a way to send commands to mplayer via a filepipe or unix socket...I don't think there is a telnet control

[17:52:27]

GreyFoxx:

wag: yeah, it's handy

[17:53:21]

liri:

GreyFoxx: right, I know about the fifo interface ,though maybe they added telnet also

[17:53:34]

gbee:

really? Hmm, I've often thought the MythTV telnet interface was a little odd, but a VLC telnet seems even stranger

[17:53:41]

justinh:

well, I give up on this code project for now. feel like crap. think I might have eaten something that disagrees with me

[17:53:45]

liri:

GreyFoxx: that's a shame cause I won't be able to control it with irreco from my n810 tablet.

[17:53:58]

gbee:

use mythtv! ;)

[17:54:16]

justinh:

gbee: surprising what a $1000 bounty can bring about ;)

[17:54:30]

wagnerrp:

bounty for what?

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liri:

GreyFoxx: but there is an app for that which sets up the fifo pipe and provides this kind of control called ReMoot, I'm looking at the project right now at SF

[17:54:47]

justinh:

mythtv's telnet interface. Pluto put up money for it

[17:54:58]

wagnerrp:

ah

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liri:

justinh: I think it's justified. external interfaces are always a good thing.

[17:55:25]

justinh:

Olive Oyl offerred nothing though, as usual

[17:55:34]

liri:

justinh: I can now control mythtv from my tablet thanks to that :)

[17:55:36]

** sphery is surprised some enterprising hacker hasn't done a dbus interface for mythtv **

[17:55:46]

gbee:

which reminds me, I'm systematically destroying it with the mythui port – I need to get the location changes done before I go much further

[17:55:58]

dustybin:

ive just walked out of my day job

[17:56:11]

wagnerrp:

usually mythtv is the only program running on a box, theres not much use for dbus

[17:56:15]

clever:

gbee: yeah, i dont think the onscreen keyboard responds to the telnet interface

[17:56:35]

liri:

is the internal mythtv player capable of handling subtitles for movies?

[17:56:43]

justinh:

liri: yeah

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gbee:

dustybin: and it wasn't the end of your shift, right? Because otherwise that's not really news ;)

[17:56:52]

dustybin:

i lasted 8 months.. was fine when i was working on my own in the evening, they put me on the day shift and i cannot get on with people, so my manager played some mind games with me until i walked out

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justinh:

constructive dismissal?

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dustybin:

dunno what it was

[17:57:21]

justinh:

now isn't a good time to be leaving a job without another to go to

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dustybin:

manager was being very dark, and i couldnt figure out if he was being serious

[17:57:37]

liri:

justinh: for mplayer I had to explicitly specify a hebrew font in the configs, what would I be required to do for mythtv internal player?

[17:57:51]

justinh:

liri: maybe the same kind of thing

[17:58:02]

justinh:

it has native .srt support AFAIK

[17:58:09]

dustybin:

justinh: i know, i have savings and plan to do some I.T exams and change career

[17:58:37]

justinh:

mmm savings. they'd come in handy right now so I could do the same

[17:58:57]

liri:

justinh: are there any big differences to using the internal player than mplayer?

[17:59:02]

justinh:

then again, I know working somewhere else might mean I actually have to work!

[17:59:17]

justinh:

liri: yeah. like they're totally not the same

[18:00:07]

wagnerrp:

they both run off the ffmpeg decoding libraries, but thats where the similarities end

[18:00:46]

justinh:

subtitle/CC font settings are stowed away in Playback OSD settings pages

[18:02:10]

liri:

justinh: I'll check out the settings for the subtitles thanks. about the player – I'm not really doing anything special with it, I just care about it playing videos smoothly and supporting the wide variety of codecs. should I see any differences with the internal player?

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justinh:

not really. mythtv is generally only as good as the last ffmpeg sync with regard to format support – which is saying a lot :)

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gbee:

hoping to absorb some interesting info no doubt, or just cripplingly shy

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clever:

im just waiting for my system to implode again

[18:12:26]

clever:

QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected in thread -1416406128

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clever:

for example, has just cripled my master again

[18:13:04]

iamlindoro_:

Ah, always nice to join the channel and see clever bitching about how his tinkering is Myth's fault ;)

[18:13:18]

clever:

i dont see how i caused the deadlock

[18:13:48]

PatrickDK:

I have never seen a deadlock :)

[18:13:49]

clever:

i havent messed with any locking parts of the code or moved any major functions arround

[18:14:01]

PatrickDK:

I haven't messed with the code at all :)

[18:14:08]

clever:

this deadlock is freezing my master server up

[18:14:14]

clever:

which kills the entire network

[18:14:39]

PatrickDK:

and if you use unmodified source it does the same?

[18:14:46]

PatrickDK:

or have you not tried?

[18:14:48]

clever:

i havent reverted my changes

[18:15:06]

PatrickDK:

there is only one way to know

[18:15:16]

PatrickDK:

and code you changed might of called code that locks

[18:15:20]

PatrickDK:

and that can cause a deadlock

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clever:

and i cant reproduce the problem either, so it may take a week to confirm that i fixed it

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clever:

PatrickDK: i didnt add any function calls

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PatrickDK:

then what did you modify?

[18:16:45]

PatrickDK:

you didn't add, remove, change places, ....

[18:16:45]

clever:

just some {}

[18:16:48]

clever:

's mostly

[18:16:55]

PatrickDK:

you added {}

[18:17:12]

PatrickDK:

wouldn't that impact things worse than adding function calls?

[18:17:14]

clever:

http://pastebin.com/m39cb80c1 for example

[18:17:23]

clever:

all thats doing is adding a VERBOSE call

[18:17:50]

clever:

i dont see how that would cause a deadlock

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** iamlindoro_ loves to see clever spin out of control when anyone implies his fecking around has caused a problem **

[18:18:36]

PatrickDK:

internet is slower than crap today, still hasn't loaded pastebin :(

[18:18:39]

clever:

iamlindoro_: look at the patch and try and explain how that crashed it:P

[18:18:44]

PatrickDK:

or I should say, my isp sucks ass today

[18:18:59]

iamlindoro_:

clever: the onus isn't on *me* to prove your patches break things, it's on you to prove that they don't

[18:19:27]

clever:

that patch i pasted was to track down a problem i had months ago

[18:19:32]

clever:

which has never appeared again since

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iamlindoro_:

And just the other day you mentioned how you have patched all SORTS of things

[18:20:03]

iamlindoro_:

anyway, not my problem-- until you're running stock myth I'll continue to laugh at every one of your crashes

[18:20:21]

PatrickDK:

I only have one crash :)

[18:20:35]

PatrickDK:

and that is when my pvr350 and 3ware 7506 are both working hard

[18:20:44]

PatrickDK:

some kind of bus-master pci conflict

[18:20:48]

clever:

that patch was related to playback, and im only running that set of source on backends

[18:20:52]

clever:

so its harmless to revert it

[18:20:59]

PatrickDK:

nothing solves it, except to remove one of the two

[18:21:32]

iamlindoro_:

Let's all just hug it out

[18:21:51]

PatrickDK:

iamlindoro, you pay for the plane tickets

[18:22:11]

iamlindoro_:

I can't hug clever, his skin has grown into his couch

[18:22:27]

iamlindoro_:

He might be able to poke me with his dialing stick, though

[18:22:28]

clever:

i went for a hour long walk in the woods yesterday

[18:22:32]

clever:

without taking the couch

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iamlindoro_:

If you only make it a hundred yards it doesn't count

[18:23:03]

clever:

now my legs hurt just walking to the couch

[18:23:23]

iamlindoro_:

That's because you need skin grafts to replace what you tore off

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wagnerrp:

exhausted from walking for one hour?

[18:24:17]

clever:

wagnerrp: i had chest pains twice durring that walk

[18:24:19]

iamlindoro_:

clever, what do you weigh? And if you're heavy I won't take pot shots any more

[18:24:34]

clever:

somewhere in the 150–170 area

[18:24:42]

iamlindoro_:

w/ height?

[18:24:49]

iamlindoro_:

(and units, please)

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wagnerrp:

kg

[18:24:56]

iamlindoro_:

a/s/l?

[18:24:58]

clever:

a little over 6 feet

[18:25:07]

clever:

I am 21.458065 years old. (I'll be 22 in 28wks 2days 10hrs 32mins 49secs.)

[18:25:07]

wagnerrp:

so youre actually proper weight

[18:25:13]

wagnerrp:

damnit, not that again...

[18:25:22]

clever:

he asked for my age:P

[18:25:34]

wagnerrp:

any NORMAL person just gives a year

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PatrickDK:

he also asked for your sex

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iamlindoro_:

yes, but I also asked for units on the weight ;)

[18:25:44]

PatrickDK:

and you didn't give it :)

[18:25:49]

iamlindoro_:

nor location

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PatrickDK:

and loc

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iamlindoro_:

but I know he's in east bumfuck, Canada

[18:25:55]

clever:

canada:P

[18:26:00]

clever:

male!

[18:26:20]

wagnerrp:

ah, its all that clean air you be breathin'

[18:26:22]

clever:

- xv_set_attrib(XJ_disp, xv_port, attr_chroma, 1);

[18:26:23]

wagnerrp:

does your body harm

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iamlindoro_:

if 150–170 == pounds, then you're not heavy and I will go on calling you fat

[18:26:24]

clever:

+ xv_set_attrib(XJ_disp, xv_port, attr_chroma, 0);

[18:26:35]

clever:

i dont see how that patch would cause any problems at all

[18:26:43]

iamlindoro_:

But you should get those chest pains checked out

[18:26:55]

clever:

the pain was on the right side below the lung

[18:27:00]

clever:

not near the heart

[18:27:03]

iamlindoro_:

It's a tumor, see a doctor

[18:27:15]

PatrickDK:

asma?

[18:27:20]

wagnerrp:

cramps

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clever:

never had asma problems

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iamlindoro_:

And heart pain manifests on the opposite side, there, Dr. Clever

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Mousey:

aids?

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wagnerrp:

walking is too strenuous work for him

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah it could just be that

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iamlindoro_:

which is to say, heart is left, but heart releated chest pains appear on the right

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clever:

my legs are sore from the walk

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wagnerrp:

legs should never be sore from walking, unless you actually mean hiking

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clever:

alot of the sections where uphill

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clever:

thru the woods

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clever:

one point was up the side of a rock face

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iamlindoro_:

I'm fairly certain that's the plot of Sylvester Stallone's Cliffhanger

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iamlindoro_:

When's the part when you save the girl and defeat the ruthless mrecenaries?

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iamlindoro_:

er mercenaries

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wagnerrp:

what? no. this is #wilderness_chat

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iamlindoro_:

#debug-yourself-skinny

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wagnerrp:

#clever-has-a-tumah

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bunder:

how does mythtv calculate how long a recording is? my osd tells me that 1h of recording is 1h14m (bad), but vlc says the video is 1h1m (good)

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gbee:

bunder: by building a seektable, going frame by frame through the video and determining a frame count and framerate to arrive at the final figure

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bunder:

ok, so my seektable must be hosed then

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gbee:

just occassionally the seektable is corrupted resulting in a bad figure, it will also be wrong if you edit the video outside of MythTV – you can rebuild the seektable though

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bunder:

despite mysqlcheck saying otherwise

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gbee:

bunder: actual database might be fine, even if the data in it isn't

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bunder:

heh, true.

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gbee:

see the wiki for instructions on rebuilding seektables for recordings

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bunder:

it seems to be doing it for every recording after some time last week

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** justinh considers petitioning for both mythtv irc channels being called #clever **

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gbee:

bunder: interesting, might be some bad data in the stream, change to framerates or something

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gbee:

#notsoclever

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bunder:

what would cause that... the system its on runs like a dream

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gbee:

our method is usually far more accurate than mplayer which does a far more basic calculation

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bunder:

never maxes out, etc

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gbee:

bunder: well depends on the device, if it's DVB/ATSC etc then it might be the broadcasters problem

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bunder:

nope, plain analog tv cable

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gbee:

however, despite being pretty intimate with the code I'm not much good at helping debug these issues, other people in here have far more experience with support for common issues so I'll let them make some suggestions

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laga:

sphery: yeah, that sounds good. it should be easy to carry over the keys from the settings table.

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justinh:

time being reported wrongly can range from all sorts of things from simple time offsets between FE & BE to seektable corruption

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sphery:

bunder: even if you think your DB tables are fine, run optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

bunder: then, rebuild the seektable for affected recordings.

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sphery:

bunder: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Repairing_the_Seektable --note that there are 2 ways to rebuild the seektable, and only one way is likely to work

[18:52:43]

bunder:

i'll try it again

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sphery:

laga: Yeah, it's more work for you, but if you're concerned about leaving directories in the SG, putting the location info in the video source is probably the best solution

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sphery:

bunder: Oh, BTW, I'm not just being mean and withholding information. "only one way is likely to work[, depending on the individual recording]"

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sphery:

bunder: BTW, are you in a PAL area using PVR-x50's?

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if someone paid me to work on MythTV full time I'd love to see things like seektable rebuilds and transcoding improved

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timo:

huge

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mkrufky:

thus shall it come to pass

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dustybin:

"It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything." – Fight Club

[19:01:11]

mkrufky:

...a dying leader shall know the truth of the opera house

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** gbee blinks **

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timo:

Confused ?

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justinh:

ruh?

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

im on a BSG kick

[19:02:00]

mkrufky:

i like to spew out random quotes

[19:02:15]

timo:

a bit too random

[19:02:31]

mkrufky:

there are at least 20 people in this room that totally know what it means

[19:02:32]

justinh:

that's as cute as people who quote Monty Python sketches verbatim :P

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timo:

ahaha

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justinh:

heheh I just noticed the text in this menu is behind the button graphic lol

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timo:

Is it normal for mythtv to use 20 cpu and more when watching live tv?

[19:04:34]

kslater:

20 cpu?

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kslater:

20

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bunder:

some for recording it, and some for playing it back, perhaps that's 20 percent

[19:04:41]

kslater:

20% cpu?

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bunder:

depends on your cpu ;)

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timo:

srryy 20 %

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gbee:

timo: I'm seeking a witty retort but the best I can come up with right now involves lengths and string

[19:05:42]

timo:

huh ?

[19:05:44]

kslater:

20% is low for some of my systems that are based on weak processors

[19:06:15]

gbee:

i.e. Well it depends if your CPU is a 500Mhz Pentium 3, or a 4-Core top of the range, $1000 deal

[19:06:16]

patdk:

timo, that depends on your cpu speed, capture card, and what kind of channel it is your watching

[19:06:20]

timo:

I have a 3700 1010.9 GB ram

[19:06:24]

kslater:

depends on a combination of a bunch of factors

[19:06:37]

patdk:

on my 2.8ghz machine, sdtv takes 27% of the cpu to decode, at 8mbit

[19:06:58]

gbee:

plus a whole load of other factors like graphics card and drivers, package versions etc

[19:06:59]

justinh:

recording uses some CPU, playing back uses some CPU – more if your video drivers suck, deinterlacing uses some CPU too

[19:07:41]

timo:

yes its doing both recording and playing.

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patdk:

I refuse to use hardware based decoding :)

[19:07:53]

patdk:

my recording only takes like 1% cpu

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timo:

1

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sphery:

patdk: I completely agree with your refusal to use hardware-based decoding. It's generally not required***, and only limits the capabilities.

[19:10:27]

justinh:

and generally doesn't even help much (tm)

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justinh:

right now there's no substitute for MOAR MHZ

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sphery:

***"Generally not required" does not necessarily imply that decoding H.264 on general-purpose processors is feasible, but by the time they have H.264 hardware-decoding (or hardware-assisted decoding) for Linux, it will be feasible on general-purpose processors.

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justinh:

amen :)

[19:11:46]

patdk:

I dunno

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patdk:

I haven't seen them pushing up the mhz on new cpu's

[19:11:58]

patdk:

just the # of cores

[19:12:02]

patdk:

and while cores is nice

[19:12:08]

patdk:

you can only thread stuff so much

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justinh:

yeah & multithreaded playback is coming along nicely

[19:12:24]

mkrufky:

moore's law is slowing down

[19:12:35]

mkrufky:

expanding sideways instead of up

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patdk:

dunno how much is recorded in h264 multithread support

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sphery:

patdk: they were just waiting for a new process that results in decreasing impurities by 50 times to allow for greater electron mobility to allow for increasing MHz...

[19:12:59]

justinh:

people are forgetting the ffmpeg SoC projects ;)

[19:13:08]

sphery:

fortunately, one was just invented

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[19:13:26]

justinh:

threaded playback of non-sliced material :)

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patdk:

heh, I have seen bad things from soc

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patdk:

so I don't pay any attention to them anymore

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bunder:

the summer is over heh

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patdk:

mainly cause I'm too sick to think

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justinh:

ahh so just give up & mumble quietly to yourself then :)

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gbee:

bunder: no! don't say that!

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justinh:

over? it has to start first!

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bunder:

heh

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bunder:

gbee: sphery: ok so i ran the optimize again, looks good... have to wait till i get home to verify and rebuild... do i have to optimize again after that?

[19:15:32]

gbee:

so I've bought into mythvideo now, busy moving all my recorded films over

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bunder:

i love mythvideo

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky: Finally going to get 'er done tonight, I think

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justinh:

I was so bored last night I watched the last episodes of Heroes

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sphery:

patdk: Just saying that some German scientists at Physikalisch Technische Bundesanstalt (PTB) found a new process for semiconductor crystal generation that produce crystals that are purer than any other method available. This should allow for better/faster/cooler processors.

[19:16:35]

gbee:

I like it better now that it's been reworked, no need for the video manager etc

[19:16:53]

bunder:

gbee: oh snap, is that a 0.21 thing?

[19:16:59]

sphery:

bunder: No. optimize_mythdb.pl should be run regularly (I have it in a daily cron job)--at /least/ once per month--but may also be required if you have DB corruption.

[19:16:59]

gbee:

0.22

[19:17:02]

** bunder is too scared up grade **

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justinh:

gah. I can't do this when I can only see 40 lines of code at a time :(

[19:17:16]

bunder:

sphery: i run it weekly

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sphery:

bunder: think the netsplit may have caused you to miss my question above... Are you using PVR-x50's in a PAL area?

[19:17:52]

bunder:

no, leadtek winfasts, ntsc

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sphery:

OK.

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gbee:

I hardly run it at all – hate setting up cron jobs, the sooner that functionality is in the housekeeper the better

[19:17:59]

sphery:

Just curious

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patdk:

sphery, once a day is just insane

[19:18:25]

patdk:

once a week/month I would say is ok, still week is alittle much

[19:18:25]

bunder:

i do have a huge db though, this box has been online for a year

[19:18:31]

justinh:

pfft

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justinh:

my database is 4 years old soon

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** patdk wonders, myth doesn't really make big db's **

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jams:

i run it once a day, right after mythfilldatabase

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sphery:

patdk: says someone who may have to wait a week for his crashed recordedseek table to be automatically fixed, during which he records countless new shows, whose seektables aren't built, but he doesn't realize it because he's busy watching older recordings, then he has to manually clean up the mess

[19:19:10]

gbee:

patdk: depends on the number of recordings you hoard

[19:19:18]

patdk:

sphery, hmm, first, why did you crash mysql?

[19:19:25]

patdk:

and if you did, why didn't you repare it?

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sphery:

patdk: besides, what else am I going to have my Myth box doing at 3:48am?

[19:19:36]

patdk:

as a mysql admin, I take offense to that :)

[19:19:37]

justinh:

also depends on the numbrt of entries in oldrecorded ;)

[19:19:53]

bunder:

sphery: that's basically what happened to me

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bunder:

i've been transcoding old episodes this whole time

[19:20:30]

patdk:

for my mysql for myth, I have it set to fix all tables, before mysql starts

[19:20:42]

patdk:

I have never seen mysql cause problems on tables, and keep running

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Guest8042:

hi, I just installed mythtv on Kubuntu, followed the guides, everything seems fine but when I start it and choose "watch tv" the screen goes black for a second and then goes back to the menu. anyone any ideas?

[19:20:51]

patdk:

but then, I have never run-out-of-diskspace also

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justinh:

eh? what do you mean before mysql starts? shouldn't be restarting it ;)

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bunder:

Guest8042: is xorg crashing?

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patdk:

justinh, incase computer crashed :)

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Guest8042:

no bunder

[19:21:14]

sphery:

patdk: Well, if you want to bring your job home and be a MySQL admin for your Myth box, more power to you. Most users just want it to work. Most users may not even recognize when their MySQL crashed (due to a power outage while they were at work or whatever). So, the script recommends a daily cron job.

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Guest8042:

or... at least I don't think so

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justinh:

Guest8042: tuner card set to the right type in mythtv-setup? no write permission on the default storage group? Yes mythtv records everything

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gbee:

embedded db ftw

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patdk:

guess I'm just paranoid

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jams:

no!

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** justinh hands the BFSQ to gbee to optimise for embedded use :P **

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sphery:

gbee: right!

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sphery:

justinh: embedded MySQL

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Guest8042:

should have write permission, it's in my home folder.. and tuner card is set up okay, too

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sphery:

theoretically possible with Qt4

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gbee:

! embedded sqllite

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justinh:

ah

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jams:

no embedded MySQL

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patdk:

I can see embedded sqlite

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sphery:

(and would keep users from breaking their DB's by hand-editing data)

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justinh:

fork!

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patdk:

but isn't against mysql lic to do so?

[19:23:02]

jams:

or sqlite

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gbee:

was possible with QT3, just no-one ever got around to it

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gbee:

patdk: no

[19:23:31]

patdk:

they must of change the lic again

[19:23:41]

patdk:

I know at one point it was

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sphery:

gbee: GreyFoxx did some testing and the Qt3 MySQL drivers had some serious problems... Something about not picking up the config.

[19:24:00]

gbee:

sqllite is too lightweight, just can't handle some of the stuff done in myth

[19:24:13]

patdk:

db4? :)

[19:24:17]

Guest8042:

is it possible I need to enable a different resolution in xorg?

[19:24:17]

gbee:

patdk: well wasn't last time we looked at it

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jams:

postgresql would fix all the problems

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gbee:

jams: embedded?

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jams:

it can be embedded, but have not tested it

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justinh:

Guest8042: you THINK your dir perms are ok, and you THINK you set the tuner card up properly

[19:24:53]

jams:

i just HATE mysql

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justinh:

to be sure (to be sure) look in the backend log

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bunder:

what's wrong with mysql?

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gbee:

as far as I'm concerned the only problem is an external database

[19:25:13]

bunder:

works fine for me with mythtv, bacula, phpbb

[19:25:21]

Guest8042:

oh, okay, where is that?

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justinh:

Guest8042: /var/log/

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sphery:

patdk: the embedded mysql license allows free use if the product is distributed under the GPL

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Guest8042:

okay thx..

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justinh:

where all the logs generally live

[19:25:50]

patdk:

ah, I think the projects I was looking at where non-gpl

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jams:

gbee if it's embedded, can the data be accessed/modified externally ?

[19:26:05]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, if we have embedded MySQL, the Postgres-lovers won't necessarily even know they should be complaining. :)

[19:26:07]

gbee:

once embedded it doesn't matter what dbms is used, the user won't know and won't have to set it up

[19:26:21]

bunder:

justinh: so how big is your db >:D

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justinh:

I don't buy into all this love for users at all

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sphery:

bunder: with regular runs of optimize_mythdb.pl, the database won't really grow in size over time.

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bunder:

i got 67mb at the moment

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patdk:

that is damned tiny

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gbee:

well it will, in proportion to the number of recordings

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Guest8042:

oh, you were right, it tried to write a file but the permission was denied

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sphery:

bunder: almost all of the space used by the database is in storing the seektable information, which is completely dependent upon the number of recordings

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patdk:

come back when you get >10gigs :)

[19:27:34]

bunder:

for some 406gb of video heh

[19:27:52]

justinh:

whoah I thought it'd be bigger than 105MB

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justinh:

used to be way bigger. must be all that running of the optimise script :)

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sphery:

it's basically steady-state (assuming you don't add new storage and you always let recordings be deleted by auto-expire)

[19:28:53]

sphery:

justinh: or you've been watching/deleting shows during the off season

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bunder:

my seektable is 43.3mb of that 67mb

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sphery:

yep

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justinh:

off-season?

[19:29:12]

justinh:

oh the time when there's sod all on?

[19:29:22]

justinh:

like NOW frinstance

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bunder:

yeah

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bunder:

give it a couple weeks

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bunder:

the fall lineup should be soon

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sphery:

here in the US, at least, we're between TV seasons, so there's really no new TV on--just reruns

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sphery:

thus "off season" :)

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justinh:

thank f there's no 'fall' in the UK

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bunder:

the summer is the worst in north america

[19:30:10]

bunder:

but it gives us myther's a good time to record old showings :D

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sphery:

but it's basically ending now--this week and next are a lot of premiers

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justinh:

I have 2 series to sit & watch but I CBA

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bunder:

yes.... new terminator series coming up

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justinh:

Spooks, State Within.. just CBA

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patdk:

I haven't even watched the old terminator series yet

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bunder:

it was decent

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bunder:

i expected better though

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gbee:

State Within? Wasn't that two years ago?

[19:31:11]

jams:

gbee if it's embedded, can the data be accessed/modified externally ?

[19:31:13]

sphery:

bunder: and catch up on old movies that have been edited for content and have creative overvoicing to replace swear words (sometimes more interesting than the movie itself)

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justinh:

gbee: aye

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bunder:

sphery: yeah, i get that a lot.

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gbee:

jams: dunno

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** sphery loves when they change the dialog to say, "mother lover" **

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bunder:

hehe

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jams:

ok, i do ALOT of stuff that would require that access

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justinh:

I think I'll just cut out the middleman with Spooks Code 9 though

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bunder:

they butchered kill bill on me for that

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bunder:

unless they intentionally beep out the broad's name

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justinh:

let me get this straight, they leave in the butchery/violence but replace cuss words?

[19:32:33]

bunder:

yeah

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bunder:

blame TBS

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sphery:

I also love when they broadcast a movie in 4:3 on a digital channel and it appears on my 16:9 widescreen TV with a pillarboxed screen saying, "This movie has been edited for content and to fit your TV screen."

[19:32:54]

justinh:

because violence << swearing ... hrm

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bunder:

turner's always been flaky about its censorship

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sphery:

that's the US for you...

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justinh:

that must be what's wrong with America in a nutshell

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bunder:

heh... america is what's wrong with america

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sphery:

justinh: I'm pretty sure, also, violence << swearing <<<< nudity

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justinh:

yeah I remember a certain furore about a certain wardrobe malfunction

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bunder:

yeah turner would just omit any scene with nudity

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sphery:

I can't believe how many tax dollars they wasted on that

[19:34:37]

justinh:

but hey it's ok to slaugher thousands of non-christian kids in far-off places

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bunder:

oh umm janet

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bunder:

hehe

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bunder:

wasn't that CBS?

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justinh:

actually it just came to me that there was never any swearing in '24' beyond Jack Bauer shouting "DAMNIT!"

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Guest8042:

okay, i chmod'ed the folder and now tv starts but it freezes after a second..

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sphery:

bunder: I like the ones where they digitally edit frames and draw underwear on. The "underwear" has no wrinkles, shadows, etc., and often changes shape/size/placement from frame to frame (sometimes making it jump :)

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bunder:

i've never seen that one sphery

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bunder:

justinh: i don't remember there being any myself, that might have been intentional

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sphery:

happens on a lot of movies on my locals

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bunder:

justinh: although 24 was heavy on the product placement

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bunder:

nokia phones, dell servers, ivaya phones etc

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bunder:

gmc vans

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justinh:

Bauer gets angry enough to torture suspects out of desperation but he never swears. what a good man :)

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justinh:

bunder: mobile services...

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justinh:

Cisco :)

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patdk:

why swear when you always have someone else you can take it out of? and no one minds :)

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Guest8042:

log says it the error is it can't delete the files it created. what mode must I set to allow it to?

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justinh:

maybe we don't notice some of it so much because we're less aware of the brands here :)

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justinh:

maybe it can't delete them because it couldn't create them

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bunder:

oh i can smell product placement from a mile away

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bunder:

hence why i didn't see transformers

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Guest8042:

it created them, they're there

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patdk:

bunder, hauppage?

[19:39:49]

bunder:

hm? leadtek winfast

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justinh:

I won't be seeing any film with that guy in it.. whatshisname..

[19:40:15]

bunder:

justinh: dunno, what's he in

[19:40:28]

justinh:

wickywicky dude wot woz in transformerers

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bunder:

oh, dunno.

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justinh:

hence my not having seen the latest indy flick

[19:41:24]

sphery:

The worst part is that changing the words they use to swear doesn't change the intention, so, it's like Penn & Teller said in http://www.tv.com/penn-and-teller-bullsh!/pro . . . t;ep_title;9

[19:41:44]

sphery:

Shia Le Beouf (sp?)

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justinh:

aha. Le Beef!

[19:42:08]

sphery:

Shia LaBeouf

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bunder:

dunno who that is heh

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sphery:

some Disney-channel kid who grew up, TTBOMK

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justinh:

bunder: appears in movies which steal time of people's lives

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bunder:

he was in i-robot?

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Anduin:

and is now in Eagle Eye with that gem Billy Bob

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justinh:

I remember going to see that. damned if I can remember what happens

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bunder:

heh

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bunder:

Anduin: billy bob was good

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sphery:

http://www.omdb.org/person/10959 (OK, they still have some growing to do, but, yeah for quoting omdb :)

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bunder:

On August 11, 2008, it was reported on the JoBlo.com website that Thornton is rumored to be portraying Freddy Krueger in the up and coming A Nightmare on Elm Street remake. This claim has yet to be verified by New Line Cinema.

[19:45:06]

bunder:

ooh

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sphery:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0479471/ on imdb

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bunder:

i'm intrigued by that, other than the fact that it's "yet another remake"

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sphery:

now I understand the "wickywicky dude" reference. His character in Transformers was: Sam Witwicky

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gbee:

funny, I saw a film with him in sometime in the last two weeks, but I can't remember anything about it, not even the title

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Darthy:

i have problems probing cx88_blackbird (kernel 2.6.26.3, hauppauge nova s-plus dvb budget). dmesg shows: cx8802 probe failed, err = -19. does anyone had a similar problem?

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Darthy:

every other module loaded fine.. mythtv cannot tune anymore.. i dont get a lock. with kernel 2.6.16 it worked just fine.

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bunder:

Darthy: try 2.6.25?

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bunder:

i've heard so many problems with 2.6.26 :S

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sphery:

laga: Sorry for all the extra work on your xmltv config patch. At least when I rained on your parade, I tried to give you an umbrella (the mythtv-xmltv_configuration_storage_group.patch). Even though it turns out you're going to use a different umbrella :), I may submit a patch with the StorageGroup::AddDirectory() functionality as it could probably be quite useful for special storage group use.

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Darthy:

bunder: i just tried 2.6.22 and it fails also. i need a newer kernel >= 2.6.22.. :/

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laga:

sphery: no need to be sorry – you proposed a much better solution. sory for not using your umbrella :) i was going to add your patch to the ticket anyways, for reference and also to point out AddDirectory()

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gbee:

love editing adverts out of BBC recordings

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strex:

anyone know a status on getting the HVR-2250 working (other than the mythtv wiki page?)

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gbee:

#linuxtv

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bunder:

anyone know if i can do the commflag --rebuild on multiple files at once? (besides "all")

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justinh:

multiple instances might :) though that might only help if you have > 1 core

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bunder:

bah, i'll just do one at a time then heh

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justinh:

as much as I'm sick of hearing about some election or other, it's giving Jon Stewart endless material on a plate

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bunder:

but that's all he ever did... political satire

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: You've hit upon the one thing repubs are useful for-- a laugh

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iamlindoro_:

That is, when they're not making you cry

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justinh:

yeah but it's absolutely ripe now :)

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bunder:

ok, i just did that seektable stuff twice and it still says 1h14m

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sphery:

twice meaning once with mythcommflag --rebuild and once meaning mythcommflag --buildindex?

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bunder:

oh, it never said anything about buildindex

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bunder:

oh, i did it commflag, not transcode

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bunder:

i'll try it that way too

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bunder:

oh wait, but i've got nuv files, will it trash them?

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bunder:

oh nice.

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sphery:

for nuv, it should be mythcommflag --rebuild

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bunder:

yeah that one i did

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sphery:

bunder: I, personally, would write it off as, "no big deal," watch the show, and delete it. :)

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justinh:

me too

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bunder:

but every single recording is doing it now

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bunder:

err, the new ones at least

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sphery:

if it's doing it after the optimize_mythdb.pl, then it's not seektables

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abarber:

i tried to rip my first dvd today, but i got the following error msg:

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abarber:

"cannot connect to your myth transcoding daemon"

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justinh:

error – mtd not running

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justinh:

mtd == myth transcoding daemon, geddit ;)

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justinh:

so, run mtd :)

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gbee:

ooh, btw I've changed that in the mythvideo branch, it now starts mtd automatically – none of this "press any number key to start mtd" rubbish

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justinh:

nice move :)

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abarber:

see, i pressed keys and that still did nothing

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abarber:

gbee: how did you automate it?

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gbee:

abarber: by changing the code

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justinh:

magic!

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gbee:

can't be more specific than that since I don't remember the exact changes made, it's all pretty obvious if you look at it though

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justinh:

actually code may aswell be magic, it's not getting any clearer to me lately

[20:59:51]

bunder:

what if it was recordedseek that's having the problem?

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sphery:

bunder: Someone on the list was having problems with displayed time of recordings (using PVR-x50's in PAL-land) and said it just started happening recently. Both of your example times seemed to correspond to differences between 25fps and 30fps (or 12 versus 15 GOP-length), but his was shorter by the amount (and he's in PAL/25fps/12GOP length land) versus yours being longer by the amount (in NTSC/30fps/15GOP length land).

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sphery:

bunder: recordedseek is where the seek table is stored

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justinh:

gbee: I might have to get a grown-up to look at the stuff I've been messing with

[21:00:35]

gbee:

sphery: funny, I considered that for a moment then forgot about it

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justinh:

(couldn't see that one coming eh :P)

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bunder:

oh, /facepalm

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gbee:

justinh: happy to help if it means you'll be contributing more in the future ;)

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sphery:

bunder / gbee : though it's interesting that the times correspond to those differences, I don't see any way that the described symptoms would happen with that issue

[21:01:53]

sphery:

bunder: if you figured it out, might be nice to let the guy on the list know...

[21:02:02]

bunder:

no, i still haven't.

[21:02:28]

bunder:

i'm just trying to figure out if it's a db thing or its a myth thing

[21:02:53]

bunder:

i mean, why would they just start going this way :S

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sphery:

bunder: well, if you do figure it out, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347208#347208

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bunder:

sure.

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gbee:

I can't offhand remember where we determine that it's a PAL vs NTSC capture, I'm assuming that people would notice if it had accidently been switching on their setup

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sphery:

yeah, and there haven't been any changes to -fixes, lately, that should cause it to "just start" (i.e. would probably require users making configuration changes)

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bunder:

strange... we're both even using different mythtv versions

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bunder:

but that does sound similar

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bunder:

creepy

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gbee:

not sure we even log that detail, maybe we should start

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justinh:

gbee: well – major schoolboy stuff really. this isn't rocket science but I got my code reading a new tag into a bool. trouble is, that's all. if I test the bool in getbuttonposition it doesn't work. I've tried defining the bool all over the place in mythuibuttonlist.h – still no dice. I suspect I need more than just a 'bool m_myNewBool;'

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sphery:

If nothing else, if it turns out to be a PAL/NTSC thing, I'd love to know how you made it happen, because I can't think of any way to cause that to happen... I will notice responses on the list, so telling the guy who posted will also tell me. :)

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gbee:

justinh: you shouldn't ... I'll have a look

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bunder:

i'm gonna give a quick whip through my configuration to see if anything is askew

[21:06:19]

justinh:

pastebin at the ready.. sec

[21:06:48]

bunder:

damn, i can't... its recording again X-)

[21:07:02]

sphery:

I'm going to go for a run. Good luck with your settings verification...

[21:07:51]

gbee:

run? now you've made me feel lazy and unfit ..

[21:09:06]

gbee:

haven't run for recreational/fitness purposes since uni and the closest I've come otherwise is catching a bus/train

[21:09:56]

gbee:

mind you on more than one of those occassions I was carrying a 60 kilo rucksack, so I can't be _that_ unfit

[21:10:14]

justinh:

gbee: http://pastebin.ca/1194115

[21:11:56]

justinh:

the define is prolly in the wrong place, or I've missed something else. same old – one of these days I'll catch on

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strex:

so I'm thinking of buying another turner card for my setup, I would like a dual card, but pvr-500's don't seem to be available and HVR-1250 aren't supported. Any suggestions?

[21:17:49]

strex:

err HVR-2250

[21:17:53]

PatrickDK:

homerun?

[21:18:21]

strex:

pls explain

[21:18:30]

justinh:

HDHOMERUN :)

[21:18:56]

strex:

currently I'm only using SD, so NO not HDHOMERUN

[21:20:43]

strex:

a pvr-500 would fix my problem, but their not available anywhere..

[21:21:11]

PatrickDK:

ebay

[21:22:20]

tank-man:

only got one spare pci slot?

[21:23:00]

strex:

I've got several, but I would rather use a dual card, than 2x cards..

[21:23:04]

justinh:

ahh to heck widdit. gonna get a spanky new cable modem & go with 10Mb broadband

[21:23:26]

tank-man:

i saw some pvr150 for $35

[21:23:27]

PatrickDK:

strex, pvr-usb?

[21:24:04]

PatrickDK:

I hear the usb one gets better quality too

[21:24:28]

justinh:

oh wow. this editor can contract sections of code(!)

[21:24:40]

PatrickDK:

contract?

[21:24:59]

strex:

PatrickDK: could try it, but never had.. Any luck with it?

[21:25:03]

justinh:

yeah as in minimise

[21:25:21]

PatrickDK:

strex, I haven't played yet, that is what I said, I hear

[21:25:27]

PatrickDK:

why

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XLV:

strex, http://store.sagetv.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv . . . gory_Code=HD

[21:26:03]

XLV:

ehm.. they are out of stock there too

[21:26:21]

justinh:

oh somewhere will have a pvr500 shirley

[21:26:25]

Dagmar:

Search froogle.google.com

[21:26:33]

Dagmar:

I found dozens through there last night

[21:26:38]

abarber:

so after trying to rip a dvd, i thought i'd do a play test

[21:26:44]

Dagmar:

...at least one company that works through eBay selling them for $100

[21:26:50]

abarber:

and tried 2 dvds

[21:27:06]

abarber:

and both brought up the beginning and then aborted

[21:27:27]

abarber:

by beginning, i mean had not yet gotten to the root menu

[21:27:37]

Dagmar:

So try to play them with MPlayer

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abarber:

that didn't work either

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justinh:

encrypted eh

[21:33:41]

justinh:

or is it one of those frankenstein discs which just won't play on anything but a real dvd plauer?

[21:34:11]

strex:

so I've tried dozens of places for pvr-500's their all sold out / out of stock / discontinued etc..

[21:35:02]

strex:

are their any other manufactures besieds Hauppauge that make a dual tuner card.

[21:36:56]

bunder:

y'know, i just had a thought... could this be caused by file fragmentation?

[21:37:43]

Dagmar:

bunder: Not unless your disks are from 1995.

[21:38:03]

bunder:

bah.

[21:38:05]

abarber:

justin, i tried the newest libdvd package

[21:38:11]

abarber:

we'll see if that works

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justinh:

strex: none that work in linux AFAIK

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abarber:

i just never had to install it before

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abarber:

dvd's worked out of the box in my first install

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justinh:

abarber: libdvd***** – velly naughty package ;)

[21:38:58]

justinh:

unencrypted discs work just fine without that

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strex:

so are most of you guys just running Hauppauge tuner cards? like multiple 150/350 etc?

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Dagmar:

I've a pvr-500

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justinh:

all DVB-T tuners in my setup

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** justinh pats his 15 virtual tuners **

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strex:

justinh: explain.. :p

[21:42:06]

justinh:

no point in explaining it. you can't get it ;)

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** strex starts brainstorming.. **

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bunder:

ok, i found something interesting about the time this started happening... i restarted mysql on the 27th, and its happened ever since... coincidence?

[21:43:38]

justinh:

no, I mean no point explaining it to you because it isn't something you'd be able to buy & make use of there

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strex:

brb

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justinh:

jees. where's my remote? Palin is on newsnight. WAH WAH WAH WAHWA WAHHHHHHH... argghhhh. Like nails going down a blackboard

[21:49:06]

bunder:

hahahaha

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Dagmar:

What's she whining about?

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justinh:

dunno. all I heard was the waaaaa

[21:49:44]

Dagmar:

Could be anything then

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Dagmar:

The sad thing is that it's her *own party* tearing into here

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Dagmar:

s/here/her/;

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justinh:

addressing the conference thingy as far as I can tell

[21:50:16]

Dagmar:

Ah...

[21:51:10]

justinh:

This one time, at bandcamp... that was less annoying

[21:51:44]

gbee:

justinh: nothing wrong there in the pastebin, but I've realised the issue – you need to copy m_buttonSpread in CopyFrom() like the other member vars

[21:51:45]

Dagmar:

That whole mess is just scary. They've stopped trying to make intelligent arguments and have been focusing almost exclusively on argumentum ad ridiculum and other things so short-sighted they wouldn't withstand one query in response

[21:52:01]

Dagmar:

The only people who would buy what they're selling are people who somehow believe everything they see on TV.

[21:52:12]

justinh:

gbee: heh. cheers. should get me on my merry way for a while

[21:52:14]

gbee:

sorry, I typed than 40 minutes ago but then the cat came in with a mouse, so I never hit return ;)

[21:52:32]

gbee:

s/than/that/

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Dagmar:

In particular, that woman wants Creationism taught in Science classes, so they can "teach the controversy"

[21:53:32]

Dagmar:

It all reached "can't bear to look anymore" status with me yesterday, in light of all the crap going on in St. Paul

[21:55:56]

gbee:

justinh: it's an issue specific to mythui classes, the copyfrom stuff is what drives the inheritance, we have to ensure that all member vars are copied so that stuff set in the base definition of the widget are propagated to all the derived widgets

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gbee:

at the same time we don't want to copy things like a lists contents or state vars, just it's initial and display related attributes

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justinh:

gbee: ahhh. I thought copyfrom might've been for setting up the next page or something like that

[22:17:14]

justinh:

I'll have another stab at it tomorrow. hopefully will make some progress then

[22:17:35]

justinh:

it seems a bit more complex than the old code that's for sure

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justinh:

but then that's like me comparing upper brain surgery to lower brain surgery

[22:19:06]

justinh:

Dagmar: btw all that has gone completely unreported over here – at least as far as I can tell

[22:19:17]

gbee:

nope, it's for copying the widget attributes into a new widget, since the menu stuff treats the window in menu-ui.xml as one giant template to keep new the menu transitions fast all screens which are actually drawn in the menu are copies created with copyFrom

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justinh:

that was sort of what I meant

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Dagmar:

justinh: When you look at theuptake.org, you'll see a whole PILE of police use of unneccessary and excessive force

[22:20:55]

gbee:

maybe I could have explained that better – we parse menu-ui.xml just once at startup, each menu screen copies from that initial load

[22:21:04]

justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

pennies dropping :)

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gbee:

although your code picks up the buttonSpread when it first parses menu-ui.xml, by the time the menu is displayed we've copied the original once already and the variable has been 'lost' since it's not in copyFrom

[22:22:44]

justinh:

well, anyway it's time for my bed. hopefully I'll sleep soundly – last night I wasn't entirely sure I hadn't committed my changes by mistake

[22:22:59]

gbee:

that behaviour differs from most other screens since the menu is the only place where we are re-using the same exact layout multiple times

[22:23:11]

justinh:

no chance of that now btw, just did a straight svn co ;)

[22:23:54]

gbee:

justinh: in the past I've come extremely close to accidently committing my entire tree with all it's various unfinished patches, debugging and other crap ;)

[22:24:07]

justinh:

heh

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justinh:

anyways.. g'night & see yu tomorrow – hopefully with good news

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iamlindoro:

sphery, ping?

[22:32:44]

sphery:

pong

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iamlindoro:

Hey, you are gonna kill me, I let the wiki info on your new DB scripts scroll off my log and I'm going to do it now

[22:33:09]

iamlindoro:

any chance of one more link?

[22:33:46]

iamlindoro:

ah, I think I spoke too soon... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database . . . and_Restore?

[22:34:29]

iamlindoro:

(was looking in contrib instead of in programs/database

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sphery:

yeah

[22:35:51]

iamlindoro:

any downside to doing it with XMLTVids?

[22:35:59]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though, it's easy to find, now. From the wiki home page, under "Featured Articles", select "Backup your database," then the first section talks about the "official MythTV backup (and restore) scripts" and links to that page.

[22:36:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Yeah, I just spoke too soon, I'm sorry

[22:36:45]

sphery:

iamlindoro: if you want to get the updated scripts, though, they're not listed in the wiki. http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythconverg_restore.pl (or *backup.pl)

[22:37:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: "doing it with XMLTVids"?

[22:37:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, mythconverg_backup.pl --backup_xmltvids

[22:37:50]

sphery:

the backup_xmltvids is to allow you to restore only the xmltvid's after Delete all video sources or a full channel scan

[22:37:56]

sphery:

it doesn't back up the rest of the DB.

[22:38:05]

iamlindoro:

oh, hmm... For some reason I had thought this script was the essential tables only

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iamlindoro:

(ie record, recorded, etc)

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sphery:

Plan is to change it so that instead of having to back up the xmltvid's separately, they get pulled from a normal backup.

[22:38:46]

sphery:

the restore script allows you to do a partial/new-hardware restore, which imports essential tables, only

[22:38:58]

iamlindoro:

I think I'll use this on my new system for automated backups, but for right now I think I just need the record* tables

[22:39:04]

iamlindoro:

ahhhh

[22:39:06]

iamlindoro:

that is great!

[22:39:07]

sphery:

might want to do a backup_xmltvid's, also, so you can restore them after reconfiguring

[22:39:09]

gbee:

icons too?

[22:39:31]

gbee:

visibility, useonairguide ...

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sphery:

gbee: nope. thought of that when I wiped mine. :)

[22:40:05]

gbee:

those are the four things we try to preserve when doing a re-scan in the DVB code

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sphery:

I'll work that into the update that changes it to use a normal backup (will pull in the channel table into a temporary table, then use it to update the real channel table)

[22:40:32]

sphery:

good to know. I hadn't even thought of visibility/useonairguide, yet.

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** iamlindoro executes a "shutdown now" and bids his mobo adieu **

[22:45:45]

sphery:

hope it works better than my new mobo

[22:46:14]

iamlindoro:

sphery, It could *only* work better than my current one

[22:46:27]

sid3windr:

except if it 's a ECS/PCChips

[22:46:31]

sid3windr:

/ASRock

[22:46:37]

sid3windr:

then I'm pretty sure it can even get worse

[22:46:43]

iamlindoro:

which spontaeously "loses" SATA channels, causing RAID rebuids.... and shiny things happen when it loses the boot drive channel

[22:47:15]

iamlindoro:

It's my new Gigabyte w/ 10x SATA2 and 4x Gige :)

[22:49:52]

iamlindoro:

Just the thing for my case w/ 19 Drive bays ;)

[22:50:22]

iamlindoro:

<--- Likes MOAR

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directhex:

MOAR SLOTS because MOAR

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gbee:

MOAR = less money in your pocket

[22:52:59]

iamlindoro:

directhex gets it

[22:53:09]

iamlindoro:

but MOAR TEEVEE

[22:53:31]

iamlindoro:

Because if it's not wildly impractical, it's not american

[22:54:32]

iamlindoro:

America, fuck yeah

[22:54:39]

iamlindoro:

comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: GA-P35-DS4?

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iamlindoro:

P45-DS6

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AndyCap:

ah. :)

[22:57:40]

iamlindoro:

MOAR

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directhex:

can i have some of your spare cashes please?

[22:58:42]

iamlindoro:

Was my birthday :)

[23:00:44]

iamlindoro:

However, the shiny new 8 GB of RAM was all me

[23:01:54]

abqjp:

DS6? Never heard of it. I have the DQ6

[23:02:05]

iamlindoro:

Your mom's a DQ6

[23:02:17]

iamlindoro:

And yes, of course, you are correct

[23:02:27]

iamlindoro:

They're vaguely near one another on the KB

[23:02:59]

iamlindoro:

You like?

[23:03:01]

abqjp:

I only put 4GB on mine, but I did put a Xeon X3360 on it

[23:03:18]

directhex:

i've lost track of what's hot in motherbowhoa... are we talking skulltrail here?

[23:03:42]

iamlindoro:

directhex, naw, but there *are* 3 SATA2 controllers on it

[23:03:51]

iamlindoro:

directhex, It's perfect for a mondo backend, though

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directhex:

iamlindoro, 2 PCI slots?

[23:04:09]

AndyCap:

I thought it had 1 sata controller and 1 port multiplier

[23:04:09]

iamlindoro:

directhex, yep

[23:04:19]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap, nope, three seperate controllers

[23:05:18]

abqjp:

I avoided the four "port multiplier" SATA ports, and just filled up with PCIe with SATA cards.

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directhex:

because MOAR?

[23:06:05]

abqjp:

Linux's support for "port multiplied" SATA, is very bleeding edge.

[23:06:24]

abqjp:

You also take a bandwidth hit, of course.

[23:06:32]

AndyCap:

looks like a pmp to me http://www.sci-worx.com/products/product.aspx?id=103

[23:06:50]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: this is for your backend?

[23:07:14]

iamlindoro:

abqjp, yep

[23:07:15]

AndyCap:

not too worried about the bandwidth hit as long as it's above what the disks can sustain

[23:07:28]

gbee:

can't imagine that bandwidth is going to be an issue on a backend

[23:07:32]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap, guess so

[23:07:39]

iamlindoro:

my bad

[23:08:20]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: unfortunately the four on board NICs are Realtek 8111C. The Linux driver for that NIC *SUCKS*. You will get lots of transmit timeouts. I ended up buying an Intel PCIe NIC, because I got tired of re-starting playback of recordings.

[23:09:19]

gbee:

four onboard nics? what is this beast?

[23:09:33]

abqjp:

iamlindoro: I have read that the "official" Realtek driver works better than the driver in the current Linux kernel, but I have not tried it.

[23:09:46]

Dagmar:

I've heard that as well

[23:09:53]

abqjp:

gbee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128343

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directhex:

abqjp, my "onboard networking sucks" cards is bnx2-based

[23:10:40]

directhex:

abqjp, what a world we live in where bnx2 is an improvement

[23:10:50]

abqjp:

heh

[23:11:08]

directhex:

05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express (rev 21)

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abqjp:

I splurged on one of these http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BMZHW8

[23:11:57]

directhex:

still better than sky2

[23:12:00]

directhex:

well, some sky2

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directhex:

sky2 is an infuriating one where how stable it is is 100% reliant on your bios vendor not being a feckless twat

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directhex:

so the imac in my office: fine. the asus at home; BLEH

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gbee:

that board is obscene, it should be illegal

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iamlindoro:

gbee, oh but so GOOD obscene

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abqjp:

Asus makes a clone of that Gigabyte, which uses the Marvell 88E8056 instead. http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1 . . . 709&l4=0

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, mkrufky just got the same board recently and reports perfect rock solid operation with the NIC

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abqjp:

iamlindoro: I have read that it depends on the kernel. I am running 2.6.26. I have read that going back to 2.6.23 makes the NIC work better. Unfortunately, my SATA card requires 2.6.26 to work well. Oh well.

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iamlindoro:

ah, perhaps that's it

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gbee:

can't be that far back, surely? Is anyone even running 2.6.23 anymore?

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directhex:

abqjp, could be worse. my first myth machine required 2.6.12 for the tv cards to work, and manual edits to a sata controller's driver using notes from a mailing list archive to actually see the storage disks

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: 2.6.23–1 on my backends and most of my frontends

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GreyFoxx:

only my main frontend is using 2.6.24–3 :)

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abarber:

just had my first successful rip, but there is black all around it...can i stretch it or rip it differently to prevent that?

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gbee:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/04/linux_rootkit_released/

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gbee:

umm, yay?

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gbee:

"It's notable because it cloaks itself by burrowing deep inside a server's processor and availing itself of debugging mechanisms available in Intel's chip architecture"

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gbee:

yet another reason to buy AMD – though in reality I expect AMD friendly versions will appear at some point

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gbee:

have to admire the blackhats though, I mean we were told that nx was effectively going to deal a serious blow and mean a significant reduction in attack vectors – but they just took it as a challenge

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directhex:

i wonder if my itaniums are affected =]

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gbee:

of course software actually has to take advantage of nx to gain protection and how many applications were re-engineered as a result? Probably less than 5% :(

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Dagmar:

Bring it on anywya

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Dagmar:

The more general threats that can be defeated the better.

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gbee:

probably less than 1% if I'm more realistic

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Dagmar:

Good security is proactive.

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clever:

2008-09–04 20:34:00.307 49 11:56 21483 21497 15 0.50 15 12 0 1 0.00 0 15 0

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clever:

2008-09–04 20:34:00.307 NOW 11:56 21483 21497 15 0.50 15 12 0 1 0.00 0 15 -10

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clever:

my mythcommflag has gone crazy

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clever:

i suspect its the -v most being passed down from backend->commflag

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gbee:

verbose debugging is dangerous

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clever:

im just running mythbackend with -v most to track some problems

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iamlindoro:

So is a fully automatic weapon

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iamlindoro:

both should be kept from clever

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clever:

and it goes and forwards the -v most to every client it runs

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gbee:

so is any weapon, be it semi, fully or a front loaded musket

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clever:

what about a loaded cat?

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gbee:

painful, but not life threatening

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clever:

depends on which end i use

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