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| [00:00:07] | iamlindoro: | I have no idea where you intend to use a flag like --disable--ffmpeg, but it sure won't wok on myth |
| [00:00:07] | Andrew_Barber: | i have several "unknown" entries in my program guide...how can i fix that? |
| [00:00:22] | Dagmar: | If you're going to be so damn stubborn as to ignore when people tell you unequivocally what the problem with compiling you're having is, you are likely never going to learn a thing. |
| [00:00:33] | porcodildo: | lol |
| [00:00:57] | Dagmar: | porcodildo: Get the clue http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20197297-Compile-error |
| [00:00:58] | iamlindoro: | porcodildo, you are being unbelieveably silly right now, and I am trying to keep my temper with you, but you are making it very difficult |
| [00:01:09] | porcodildo: | ok sorry |
| [00:01:16] | iamlindoro: | porcodildo, Dagmar is TELLING YOU THE TRUTH and is totally correct about the problem |
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| [00:01:44] | iamlindoro: | you *must* move or remove the libavcodec, libavformat, libavutil, etc. libraries from your library path for myth to compile properly |
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| [00:02:44] | iamlindoro: | basically, anything in your lib path that starts with "libav" that was installed by ffmpeg MUST go away for myth to compile correctly. You can move it back after, but it needs to be somewhere out of the lib path for right now |
| [00:03:05] | iamlindoro: | and for my money, you owe Dagmar a few apologies |
| [00:03:30] | Dagmar: | I don't need apologies. |
| [00:03:43] | Dagmar: | He should just ditch the old ffmpeg tho unless sometings still linked to the old one |
| [00:04:05] | SHADOW__X: | any idea why my tuner will work for a few days then not beable to get a lock in mythtv anymore |
| [00:04:05] | Dagmar: | Considering a lot of things invoke it from the command line, it's fewer packages that similar replacements would entail |
| [00:04:33] | ThatOtherGuy: | Hey, are there any known issues with mythtv-setup crashing when trying to set up a SchedulesDirect video source? It keeps crashing every time I attempt to select a Data Direct Lineup |
| [00:04:51] | Dagmar: | Ouch, no. |
| [00:04:58] | Dagmar: | None that I've seen at any rate |
| [00:05:03] | ThatOtherGuy: | Balls. |
| [00:05:17] | Andrew_Barber: | is your internet connection working? |
| [00:05:27] | ThatOtherGuy: | tried both Mythbuntu and Knoppbuntu now |
| [00:05:29] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yea |
| [00:05:37] | Andrew_Barber: | that's the only problem i've had |
| [00:05:40] | ThatOtherGuy: | At least, I can ping/trace to google, yahoo, ebay, and amazon |
| [00:05:43] | Dagmar: | I don't think a failed connection could blow that up |
| [00:05:54] | Andrew_Barber: | true |
| [00:05:57] | Andrew_Barber: | just thinking |
| [00:06:08] | Dagmar: | Selecting the lineup causing a crash would indicate some other problem entirely |
| [00:06:22] | Dagmar: | Maybe a *shudder* Qt nasty |
| [00:06:33] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, what is the console output when it crashes? |
| [00:06:54] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure cesman would be thrilled to hear Knoppmyth called knoppbuntu, btw ;) |
| [00:07:16] | Andrew_Barber: | dagmar: i have a few channels in my EPG that display "unknown" even though they are getting lineups from SD |
| [00:07:17] | ThatOtherGuy: | er |
| [00:07:22] | ThatOtherGuy: | knoppmyth |
| [00:07:24] | ThatOtherGuy: | yea >_> |
| [00:07:29] | ThatOtherGuy: | and no console output |
| [00:07:38] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, uhhhhhhh |
| [00:07:40] | iamlindoro: | that's not possible |
| [00:07:47] | iamlindoro: | unless you're not running it from a terminal |
| [00:07:54] | Andrew_Barber: | i had heard of doing repairs to mysql , but that's if no channels come up |
| [00:07:54] | ThatOtherGuy: | it just continues as if I had completed the setup; asks about mythfilldatabase |
| [00:08:08] | iamlindoro: | ah, more mythbuntu craziness |
| [00:08:16] | iamlindoro: | open a terminal and run "mythtv-setup.real" |
| [00:08:19] | ThatOtherGuy: | Happens /exactly/ the same in Knoppmyth |
| [00:08:47] | iamlindoro: | do what I said, make it crash, tadaaaaa, terminal output |
| [00:09:32] | ThatOtherGuy: | kk |
| [00:09:41] | SHADOW__X: | my hvr-1600 just stopped locking on digital channels but my hvr-1800 in the same box off the same connect still works it just stopped working |
| [00:10:45] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro: Floating Point Exception |
| [00:10:51] | Dagmar: | Yech |
| [00:11:06] | ThatOtherGuy: | Going to try deleting all my lineups on schedulesdirect and readding >_> |
| [00:11:06] | Dagmar: | Check the area for magic smoke. |
| [00:11:11] | Dagmar: | Your CPU may well be leaking some |
| [00:11:15] | ThatOtherGuy: | lol |
| [00:11:34] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, You're not running trunk, are you? |
| [00:12:14] | gbee: | division by zero, please file a ticket |
| [00:12:14] | ThatOtherGuy: | Eh? I downloaded the 8.04 livecd, installed, and rebooted :p |
| [00:12:22] | ThatOtherGuy: | likewise with Knoppmyth |
| [00:13:12] | gbee: | it's a bug in the SD code which is triggered by something that's probably unique to your SD setup |
| [00:13:19] | iamlindoro: | ^^ see as gbee asks above |
| [00:13:34] | ThatOtherGuy: | Fun. Well, deleting and re-adding the listings on Schedulesdirect fix't |
| [00:13:39] | ThatOtherGuy: | must've been a SD problem =/ |
| [00:14:09] | gbee: | it's probably using a list size in an equation without checking it first |
| [00:14:44] | Dagmar: | Man I wanna know if Chrome will work with Nagios' audible alerts but wouldn't you know the entire damn network has behaved just fine all day |
| [00:15:19] | Dagmar: | ThatOtherGuy: More likely it got bad data at some point and then was tyring to keep things from moving around on you without warning |
| [00:15:54] | Dagmar: | Like, let's say an update from SD changes your channel names without warning... |
| [00:16:13] | Dagmar: | Some people would consider that a problem |
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| [00:21:38] | pembo13_com: | is there any simple way to get more useful info out of mythweb? I just installed it and get simply "database error" |
| [00:22:13] | kormoc: | pembo13_com, check apache error logs? Read the readme about what you need to setup and verify you did so? |
| [00:22:30] | Dagmar: | THere's a file that tells you what to do |
| [00:23:17] | pembo13_com: | kormoc, i did all the obvious tailing /var/log/httpd/error_log |
| [00:23:19] | Dagmar: | Strangely, it's called "INSTALL". |
| [00:23:33] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, you're working on the assumption that I didn't read it |
| [00:23:48] | Dagmar: | Yes, I am, because you've told us exactly squat other than "I have an error" |
| [00:24:04] | Dagmar: | \So I gotta go with the cause of about 95% of the people reporting that same thing |
| [00:24:10] | gbee: | is the webserver on the same server as the database? |
| [00:24:50] | Dagmar: | ....which is that mythweb can't connect to the database because the credentials haven't been set for mythweb (specifically) by the user trying to make it go. |
| [00:25:16] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, all i asked was if there was a way to get more information from it, the credentials are set to what mythbackend and mythfrotnend use |
| [00:25:16] | Dagmar: | gbee is pursuing a similar line involving people not realizing MySQL permissions use both user/pass *and* the source of the query to permit access |
| [00:25:30] | Dagmar: | pembo13_com: What you see is pretty much what you get with MythWeb |
| [00:25:33] | SHADOW__X: | anyone on 1600 not locking |
| [00:25:34] | SHADOW__X: | ? |
| [00:25:40] | kormoc: | pembo13_com, it should email you a debug backtrace |
| [00:25:44] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, this is on the same machine with mythbackend and mythfront end |
| [00:25:55] | Dagmar: | It's pretty hard to break, so even without debug output there's generally only 2–3 thigns that can go wrong at any given moment |
| [00:27:28] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, well i copied and pasted the credentials... everything it requires should be installed |
| [00:27:36] | Dagmar: | pembo13_com: So like, you're sure apache is pulling in the mythweb.conf fragment you configured? |
| [00:27:53] | Dagmar: | It'll be easy enough to tell if you have installed mod_status (think that's it) |
| [00:27:57] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, if it wasn't i wouldn't be able to access /mythweb/ |
| [00:28:03] | ThatOtherGuy: | Blah. Now that I got the data direct listings to show, mythfilldb seems to be in a permaloop >_> |
| [00:28:05] | Dagmar: | Actually, you probably would |
| [00:28:14] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, this is from an RPM install |
| [00:28:20] | pembo13_com: | i just modded the db variables |
| [00:28:26] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, if you haven't waited 15–20 minutes, you haven't waited long enough |
| [00:28:43] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, to the untrained eye, it looks very loopy, but it is almost certainly the correct output |
| [00:28:46] | ThatOtherGuy: | Blah, really? I don't recall it being that nasty a few years ago when I messed with it :( |
| [00:28:58] | Dagmar: | pembo13_com: Seriously. Make sure apache is including the mythweb.conf properly |
| [00:29:01] | iamlindoro: | yep, it's a lot of very very very similar looking output |
| [00:29:11] | gbee: | ThatOtherGuy: the first time it runs it has to fetch a _lot_ of data |
| [00:29:44] | gbee: | it does it one day at a time, for 14 days worth of data, or whatever SD provides |
| [00:29:56] | ThatOtherGuy: | Aaaaah |
| [00:30:24] | gbee: | so it goes through at least 14 iterations, the next time you run it, it will just need a couple of days, so it will be faster |
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| [00:30:43] | pembo13_com: | Dagmar, i've double checked, it's pulling it in |
| [00:31:00] | gbee: | generally it's run automatically in the background so you need never know how long it takes to run |
| [00:31:05] | ThatOtherGuy: | Yea |
| [00:31:14] | ThatOtherGuy: | It finally finished :P Thanks all./ |
| [00:31:27] | Dagmar: | Damn |
| [00:31:48] | Dagmar: | So *something* should be showing up in error_log then |
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| [00:32:33] | Dagmar: | I mean, as components of MythTV go, mythweb is pretty simple to deal with usually |
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| [00:33:50] | ThatOtherGuy: | Now it gets fun. Gota set up my Hauppage remote >_> |
| [00:33:59] | pembo13_com: | nothing useful in /var/log/httpd/error_log |
| [00:34:13] | iamlindoro: | if you're running mythbuntu, they make it insannnnnneeely easy |
| [00:34:18] | ThatOtherGuy: | orly. |
| [00:34:37] | Dagmar: | Well, if there's nothing useful there then that's a dead end. |
| [00:34:42] | iamlindoro: | Open up their control center, pull up the IR section, tell it you're using the MCE receiver and remote, new style (mceusb2), done. |
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| [00:35:02] | Dagmar: | Of course, you might want to humor us and just post what unuseful thing it was saying |
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| [00:35:29] | Inssomniak_: | can someone please remind me the name of that guide service? |
| [00:35:41] | kormoc: | Schedules Direct? |
| [00:35:42] | iamlindoro: | Schedules Direct? |
| [00:35:44] | Inssomniak_: | YA! |
| [00:35:46] | Inssomniak_: | thanks |
| [00:35:50] | kormoc: | the one in the topic? |
| [00:35:53] | iamlindoro: | yarrrr |
| [00:36:01] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro – tyvm |
| [00:36:02] | Inssomniak_: | topic? what topic? lol ;P |
| [00:36:37] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, no prob, you should have it done in no time |
| [00:37:06] | ThatOtherGuy: | Doesn't even seem like i need to bother with the cable box; last time I had to set up the irblaster and all that business |
| [00:37:37] | iamlindoro: | If all you care about is getting the first 80–100 channels, then that is often true |
| [00:37:54] | iamlindoro: | if you care about anything in your cable company's digital-only tier, then you will need to set up IR blasting, etc. |
| [00:38:12] | ThatOtherGuy: | Last time I needed it to get /anything/ |
| [00:38:23] | ThatOtherGuy: | but I have Wide Open West now, and Comcast (shitheads) then |
| [00:38:30] | iamlindoro: | Then you may live in a digital-only region, in which case you might ned to set up the IR blasting again |
| [00:38:43] | iamlindoro: | ah, new service |
| [00:38:49] | iamlindoro: | well, in that case, you'll figure it out :) |
| [00:38:56] | ThatOtherGuy: | :D |
| [00:39:28] | ThatOtherGuy: | Blah, happen to know what of the 5 Hauppauge 'remotes' correspond to the remote included with the WinTV PVR 150? :D |
| [00:39:48] | Dagmar: | Oh c'mon man |
| [00:39:54] | Dagmar: | Try one |
| [00:40:13] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, if it's the USB one, none of them |
| [00:40:39] | ThatOtherGuy: | It plugs to the card, I'm assumeing the 'tv card' option >_> |
| [00:40:43] | iamlindoro: | The USB remote from the 150 is a "Microsoft Media Center Remote (someotherrandominfoinparenthasis) |
| [00:40:59] | iamlindoro: | ah, then indeed it is a hauppauge remote |
| [00:41:29] | iamlindoro: | Meh, should be easy via process of elimination |
| [00:41:34] | ThatOtherGuy: | yea |
| [00:42:03] | ThatOtherGuy: | MythTV now vs MythTV then might as well be a completely different program; setup is so much more automated that I'm lost >_>\ |
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| [00:43:31] | iamlindoro: | Welllllll, the setup you are doing now is particular to the distros, it's still possible/common to do it the manual way |
| [00:43:37] | iamlindoro: | which suits those of us comfortable with it |
| [00:44:06] | Inssomniak_: | is there any hint as to why myth stopped recording scheduled programs? it still records live tv OK (you can pause, rewind, etc) |
| [00:44:08] | gbee: | still, where possible I wouldn't mind nicking stuff from mythbuntu etc |
| [00:44:15] | iamlindoro: | But for people who aren't wallowing in it every day, the myth distros have offered some very attractive and nice user features |
| [00:44:55] | iamlindoro: | gbee, agreed |
| [00:45:04] | ThatOtherGuy: | I'm not going to argue with usability, not at all |
| [00:45:15] | ThatOtherGuy: | I'm just lost because the only times I've ever done it before was all the cli ^_^ |
| [00:45:17] | iamlindoro: | The control center in general is an amazing level of polish |
| [00:45:37] | gbee: | things like lirc setup are outside the scope of the main project though, just too many distros with too many configurations and config locations etc |
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| [00:47:00] | gbee: | maybe it would work if scripted and abstracted, then we just have people provide support for their favourite distro ... but that might also be an unmanagable project |
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| [00:48:22] | gbee: | if there was a myth distro based on mandriva I might not even care about getting some of the stuff from mythbuntu into MythTV itself |
| [00:49:48] | gbee: | crap, yet another late night, time flies :( |
| [00:49:57] | pembo13_com: | mythtv was blocking outbound connections, missed that the first time i checked the /var/log/messages |
| [00:50:04] | pembo13_com: | s/mythtv/selinux |
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| [00:52:37] | dforster: | I have mythtv installed with a hdhomerun tuner. I still cannot get anything to show up when i go to "Watch TV" It just goes blank for a sec and then pops back up. Any ideas? |
| [00:53:25] | dforster: | I got mythfilldatabase to complete successfully. |
| [00:53:27] | iamlindoro: | issues with recording (which liveTV is) are usually tracked by reading the backend log |
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| [00:54:24] | dforster: | ya not much there either. just have some lines that say |
| [00:54:29] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:50:12.046 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor |
| [00:54:29] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:50:12.047 adding: Client as a client (events: 1) |
| [00:54:54] | iamlindoro: | are you looking at enough of it? |
| [00:55:13] | dforster: | I did a tail -f and that is all that is new. |
| [00:55:23] | dforster: | with a reload of the service. |
| [00:55:30] | iamlindoro: | tail -f and then tried to watch tv, right? |
| [00:55:38] | iamlindoro: | and not vice versa? |
| [00:55:58] | dforster: | yep nothing happens in the log if that is the case. |
| [00:56:03] | mzb_d800: | if that doesn't work, work backwards and run the mythfrontend with "-v all" switch (you might want to add the logfile option) |
| [00:56:42] | iamlindoro: | There is just no way that the backend log can have *zero* output when attempting to watch liveTV... you are doing something wrong, somehow |
| [00:57:12] | dforster: | the only thing that appears is |
| [00:57:14] | iamlindoro: | I highly suspect that your backend is misconfigured somehow |
| [00:57:15] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:56:04.968 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor |
| [00:57:15] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:56:04.973 adding: Client as a client (events: 0) |
| [00:57:15] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:56:04.974 MainServer::HandleAnnounce Monitor |
| [00:57:15] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:56:04.975 adding: Client as a client (events: 1) |
| [00:58:10] | dforster: | This pops up frequently |
| [00:58:11] | dforster: | 2008-09–02 18:57:05.119 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [00:58:20] | iamlindoro: | That's fine |
| [00:58:22] | dforster: | I have like 3gigs free on this box. |
| [00:58:30] | mzb_d800: | get back to the frontend and find out why it's not talking to the BE! |
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| [00:59:14] | dforster: | It was giving me an error earlier but the mythfilldatabase fixed that. |
| [00:59:34] | dforster: | They are on the same box if that helps. |
| [00:59:53] | mzb_d800: | frontend logs!!! |
| [01:00:10] | mzb_d800: | (I've got an appointment with my next coffee!) |
| [01:00:13] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [01:00:26] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800 is right.. in the absence of anything on the backend log, your only real option is to check frontend logs |
| [01:01:08] | dforster: | just started it with -v all |
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| [01:01:43] | pembo13_com: | mythweb works better than i expected (for listings at least) |
| [01:01:45] | pembo13_com: | thanks |
| [01:03:35] | webvictim: | mythweb is brilliant |
| [01:03:44] | webvictim: | much easier than the on-screen guides |
| [01:03:48] | dforster: | hmm mind if i paste some stuff here? There is some info then it goes to Playback End Client. |
| [01:04:08] | iamlindoro: | www.pastebin.com |
| [01:04:54] | dforster: | http://pastebin.com/m7c026042 |
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| [01:09:27] | mzb_d800: | # |
| [01:09:28] | mzb_d800: | 2008-09–02 19:01:50.305 TV Error: Failed to get recording show list |
| [01:09:29] | dforster: | hmm trying mythfilldatabase again and getting some 401 aunauthorized errors on my temporary account at schedulesdirect.com |
| [01:10:00] | mzb_d800: | I'd suggest you've got no listings (for want of more information) |
| [01:10:35] | iamlindoro: | dforster, That is normal |
| [01:11:01] | dforster: | thanks iamlindoro |
| [01:16:50] | mzb_d800: | dforster: stab in the dark ... you've got libqt3-mt-mysql installed? |
| [01:17:15] | dforster: | one sec |
| [01:17:25] | iamlindoro: | shouldn't even be able to start mythfrontend without it |
| [01:17:31] | ThatOtherGuy: | So, when you set up an IRBlaster, do you need to set up a new source with just the set-top output (ch3, etc)? |
| [01:17:32] | mzb_d800: | yeah |
| [01:17:42] | iamlindoro: | ThatOtherGuy, nope |
| [01:18:06] | ThatOtherGuy: | hmmm k |
| [01:18:06] | mzb_d800: | (not yeah to IR;) |
| [01:19:44] | mzb_d800: | dforster: are you sure you've setup your sources+cards correctly? |
| [01:20:55] | mzb_d800: | try adding "network" and|or "database" to the -v switch |
| [01:21:20] | mzb_d800: | I'm starting to think that a GET_FREE_RECORDER_COUNT will return 0 |
| [01:22:37] | dforster: | should be |
| [01:23:18] | iamlindoro: | mzb_d800, Even then, myth should pop up "myth is using all available encoders" |
| [01:23:38] | dforster: | Hmm in status it says that there is no gude data available. and 1 tuner is unavailable. |
| [01:23:57] | mzb_d800: | http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /038929.html |
| [01:24:36] | mzb_d800: | well ... tuner unavailable isn't too good ... not sure if lack of guide data would be fatal |
| [01:24:50] | mzb_d800: | go into info=>system and look at tuner status |
| [01:25:09] | SHADOW__X: | anyone 1600 issues? |
| [01:29:32] | dforster: | ok got the setup to scan for channels I see some stuff happening hope it works. |
| [01:29:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh, if you had never scanned for channels that explains much :) |
| [01:30:09] | dforster: | haha thanks iamlindoro |
| [01:30:57] | dforster: | it keeps saying no tables next to all the channels with timeout is that bad? |
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| [01:38:16] | mzb_d800: | have you setup the database? |
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| [01:50:44] | cesman: | THere was I time I considered using Ubuntu as the basis of KnoppMyth. |
| [01:51:17] | cesman: | I even had a hyrbid Kanotix/Ubuntu running |
| [01:51:25] | cesman: | but I decided against it |
| [01:51:47] | cesman: | and not, it wouldn't have been called KnoppBuntu |
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| [01:53:35] | Nostahl: | hi all what distro do you guys suggest i run myth tv on |
| [01:54:30] | cesman: | KnoppMyth! |
| [01:54:42] | cesman: | But I'm biased as I created it ;) |
| [01:54:51] | Nostahl: | heh |
| [01:56:00] | mzb_d800: | my preference is Debian Lenny ... ymmv |
| [01:56:20] | mzb_d800: | go with what you're familiar with |
| [01:56:23] | Nostahl: | any arch users out here? |
| [01:57:42] | cesman: | yes |
| [01:58:02] | Nostahl: | i use arch exclusivly on my laptop |
| [01:58:11] | Nostahl: | thought i'd put some hardware togeather and try out myth tv |
| [01:58:19] | Nostahl: | first time i used mythbuntu |
| [01:58:24] | Nostahl: | worked flawless |
| [01:58:29] | Nostahl: | so i got rid of it :) |
| [01:58:36] | Nostahl: | and put arch on |
| [01:58:51] | Nostahl: | for some reason its running like a snail |
| [01:59:13] | Nostahl: | i havnt been able to diag the problem but once i get it fixed then i'll be setting up myth on it |
| [01:59:32] | cesman: | ahhhh ok... |
| [02:00:24] | Nostahl: | any idea what causes the snail speed? |
| [02:00:33] | Nostahl: | im not atall sure where to start googling |
| [02:00:45] | mzb_d800: | install gkrellm |
| [02:01:17] | mzb_d800: | if you have a remote machine, run gkrellmd on the mythbox (to be) and gkrellm -s mythtbox on the remote host |
| [02:01:28] | mzb_d800: | then do something that you want to be "faster" |
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| [02:01:46] | mzb_d800: | gkrellm should help you to find out where the bottleneck(s) are |
| [02:02:33] | Nostahl: | the entire box is running snail |
| [02:02:35] | Nostahl: | even bootup |
| [02:02:52] | mzb_d800: | got dma enabled on your drives? |
| [02:03:05] | Nostahl: | last i checked let me doublecheck |
| [02:03:10] | frog_: | anyone know of a way to remote boot a scientific atlanta cable box? cant seem to do it through irsend.. maybe firewire? |
| [02:04:03] | Dagmar: | Send the POWER button signal |
| [02:04:14] | Dagmar: | That's about as much as you're going to be able to do without an X10 controller |
| [02:04:18] | frog_: | that just turns it on it doesnt reboot it |
| [02:04:33] | Dagmar: | In review, that's about as much as you're going to be able to do without an X10 controller. |
| [02:04:46] | Dagmar: | Appliances generally do not have a discrete "reboot" function. |
| [02:05:28] | frog_: | if i hold vol+ , vol- , and info buttons at the same time on the box it reboots |
| [02:05:42] | Dagmar: | So sample what signals that sends. |
| [02:05:46] | frog_: | but if i do the same with irsend, it doesnt work. not sure why. |
| [02:06:15] | frog_: | i cant test it with the remote because the vol+ and vol- are the same button, lol. |
| [02:06:41] | Dagmar: | I'd say it's because it sends something along the lines of "button-down-vol+, button-down-vol-, button-down-info" and not "button-down-vol+ button-up-vol+... |
| [02:07:07] | Dagmar: | So again, sample what the remote is actually sending when you press those buttons |
| [02:07:28] | Nostahl: | gah i keep getting hdio_set_dma failed : inappropriate ioctl for device |
| [02:08:10] | frog_: | maybe those buttons are seen differently from the remote vs the buttons on the front of the box. |
| [02:08:54] | Dagmar: | You know there's only so many times I can say "I've been doing this kind of crap for decades" |
| [02:09:04] | Dagmar: | Just trust me and sample the output of the remote |
| [02:09:19] | Dagmar: | I R HAXOR |
| [02:09:41] | Nostahl: | mzb_d800 k active mode is udma5 it says |
| [02:10:02] | frog_: | i cant sample all three buttons at once from the remote because it is physically incapable of doing it though |
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| [02:10:35] | frog_: | i am not able to reboot the box, even from the original remote. |
| [02:10:40] | Dagmar: | Okay you're missing the point |
| [02:10:55] | Dagmar: | ..a.dn now you're giving conflicting information |
| [02:11:04] | Dagmar: | Can you reboot the unit _at all_? |
| [02:11:28] | frog_: | thats what i was trying to say earlier, so i think you missed my point, so i reiterated it ;) |
| [02:11:41] | Inssomniak_: | mythtv box had no changes but just lost the ability to schedule a recording... You click on "rec" button in the guide, no recording is set, if you click on channel in guide, and select "record this program once" and save, it does nothing, it just goes back to "do not record" |
| [02:11:50] | Dagmar: | So how was pushing these buttons you can't push supposed to reboot it? |
| [02:11:59] | frog_: | i can only reboot it from the front panel of the box. but i am using vol-, vol+, and info. all threee of these same buttons also exist on the remote. |
| [02:12:02] | Dagmar: | Nevermind, that was rhetorical |
| [02:12:14] | Dagmar: | Look, most of the time these things behave a hell of a lot like an XT keyboard |
| [02:12:24] | Dagmar: | It doesn't just say "A" to the computer when you push a key |
| [02:12:49] | Dagmar: | AT keyboards worked like that, which causes a number of problems, and results in a lot of keystroke combinations you can't detect |
| [02:12:57] | Dagmar: | (anything more than two keys at once) |
| [02:13:14] | Dagmar: | XT keyboards send a "KEY DOWN" code, then say _which_ key was pushed down. |
| [02:13:29] | Dagmar: | It's assumed that the key is still down until it sends the same thing, but in reverse, with KEY_UP. |
| [02:13:43] | Dagmar: | So... What's likely happening with that sequence of buttons is this... |
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| [02:14:12] | Dagmar: | The remote is sending key_down when you push the first vol button, and saying which button you're pushing... then the same thing when you push the next one etc etc |
| [02:14:32] | Dagmar: | irsend generally is just going to send KP_DOWN VOL+ KP_UP VOL+ and be done with it |
| [02:14:52] | Dagmar: | You are going to have to look at what codes the rmote profile uses and just hack in a new sequence, dig? |
| [02:15:09] | Dagmar: | Hey the good news is you'll be able to just call irsend and tell it to send 'reboot' as if that were a key |
| [02:15:24] | frog_: | how do i test what signals/sequences the keys on the front panel of the stb are using? |
| [02:15:43] | Dagmar: | (This is crap you learn when you're so desperate to get a remote working that you start usign mode2) |
| [02:15:47] | frog_: | because like i said, i havent been able to reboot with the remote |
| [02:15:53] | Dagmar: | Screw rebooting |
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| [02:16:04] | Dagmar: | Look at the conf file used for irsend to send just the normal codes |
| [02:16:24] | Dagmar: | If you don't HAVE this file, you get to make one, which is going to involve using some not-so-well documented tools from lirc |
| [02:16:29] | SHADOW__X: | can anyone help me with my qam tuner issues |
| [02:16:31] | psm321: | frog_: get an RPC unit :-P (j/k) |
| [02:17:14] | frog_: | i already use the default scientificatlanta.conf which works great, i have all the keys programmed already. |
| [02:17:30] | Dagmar: | Okay, so look at that file and ifgure out how to add a NEW keypress to it |
| [02:17:44] | Dagmar: | I'm assuming you're talking about the conf file used by the blaster |
| [02:17:51] | Dagmar: | Hoping at any rate |
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| [02:18:01] | frog_: | individually, vol-, vol+, and info all work. |
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| [02:18:31] | frog_: | so i tried irsend SEND_ONCE SA8000 "vol+" "vol-" "info" |
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| [02:18:55] | frog_: | which brought up the volume indicater on the screen, as well as the info box. but did not reboot the box |
| [02:19:13] | frog_: | so your saying they may not have been sent at the exact same time |
| [02:19:37] | Dagmar: | YES. |
| [02:20:16] | Dagmar: | You know, I could swear that I just explained in gory detail why "<frog_> so i tried irsend SEND_ONCE SA8000 "vol+" "vol-" "info"" would fail |
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| [02:20:37] | Dagmar: | If they were sent at the exact same time they wouldn't work. |
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| [02:21:09] | frog_: | i assumed that you thought i was doing each key on seperate lines with 3 irsends, so just wanted to make it obviously clear, is all. |
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| [02:23:15] | SHADOW__X: | iamlindoro: have you ever had this issue |
| [02:24:07] | Dagmar: | Uh yeah and I was hoping it would be clear that this is not something that irsend will normally do, under any circumstances |
| [02:24:36] | Dagmar: | You tell it what you told it, and it will merely emulate those presses, _in sequence_ because that's the "normal" way they'd be used |
| [02:25:41] | frog_: | okay i just need to figure out the syntax for 3 0x---- values for the same code. |
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| [02:26:25] | Dagmar: | *headdesk* |
| [02:26:59] | neztiti: | guys how i can configure my database – blue screen here |
| [02:27:30] | neztiti: | new ubuntu 8.04 here |
| [02:27:58] | Dagmar: | You can read the docs. |
| [02:28:03] | Dagmar: | www.mythtv.org or wiki.mythtv.org |
| [02:28:24] | ** frog_ tilts his head sideways at Dagmar. ** | |
| [02:28:50] | mzb_d800: | Nostahl: try gkrellm then (even better remotely) |
| [02:30:14] | frog_: | "I don't know what your remote control would do if you pressed two keys at the same time. But I do know that it can't send the two IR signals at the same time. I also know that if something could send two IR signals at the same time, then lirc couldn't make any sense of the result (nor could any other IR receiver system)." |
| [02:30:15] | frog_: | crap |
| [02:30:25] | SHADOW__X: | anyone have a hvr-1600 |
| [02:30:41] | ThatOtherGuy: | So, my Hauppauge remote /was/ working, but when I then enabled the IRBlaster it stopped >_< |
| [02:30:47] | Dagmar: | frog_: You could probably save yourself some trouble if you just scrolled up a bit and reread what I'd been typing to you for hte last 15 minutes. |
| [02:33:33] | frog_: | yeah something about code2 and hacking a new sequence into the .conf file |
| [02:35:37] | Dagmar: | Maybe a little less television will be good for you |
| [02:37:37] | frog_: | begin codes |
| [02:37:37] | frog_: | reboot 0x000000000036093E 0x000000000037091E 0x000000000036213B |
| [02:37:47] | frog_: | look good? ;) |
| [02:39:48] | Dagmar: | You *might* finally be on the right track |
| [02:39:57] | Dagmar: | I've just got no idea if those are the codes they should be tho |
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| [02:42:28] | frog_: | individually, they work. first one is vol+, second vol-, third, info. |
| [02:43:56] | frog_: | i did a /etc/init.d/lirc restart adn then tried irsend SEND_ONCE SAE8000 power, and my new entry only did a vol+ (the first hex value in the sequence). |
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| [02:47:43] | ThatOtherGuy: | Every time I enable the 'IR Transmitter' in Mythbuntu's MCC, my remote stops receiving anything >_< |
| [02:48:13] | ThatOtherGuy: | LIRC is running, config file seems to still have the config in it for the remote |
| [02:48:19] | frog_: | i think i need to change my script to do something like send them 1ms apart, one code after another, in a repeating fashion |
| [02:49:11] | Dagmar: | Or you could look carefully at that conf file and figure out if there's a _keypress start_ and a _keypress stop_ sequence that surrounds those like I talked about |
| [02:49:33] | Dagmar: | 'cuz if I have to go look at that file myself and find those, I *will* be forced to mock you. |
| [02:49:34] | Dagmar: | ;) |
| [02:49:42] | ThatOtherGuy: | lol |
| [02:51:57] | ThatOtherGuy: | D@*(#Y*D&Y |
| [02:51:58] | ThatOtherGuy: | >_< |
| [02:54:02] | ThatOtherGuy: | iamlindoro – ping? |
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| [02:55:19] | frog_: | not that i can see.. http://pastebin.com/m385cb6b6 |
| [02:56:00] | elg: | can I choose the transcode profile based on the resolution? I'd like to do a lossless transcode on SD content and resize/mpeg4 on HD content |
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| [02:59:21] | frog_: | guess i'll just get a remote control on/off kit, plug the stb into that, and control it with lirc. |
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| [03:14:14] | pembo13: | i originally started the backend (yesterday) with the machine date wrong (by one day) |
| [03:14:31] | pembo13: | as a result mythv thinkgs it's recorded everything that was supposed to be recorded tonight |
| [03:14:39] | tank-man: | lol |
| [03:14:49] | pembo13: | is doing mythfilldatabase enough to resolve that? |
| [03:14:58] | tank-man: | i dont know |
| [03:15:25] | tank-man: | try going thru previously recorded shows and mark them for rerecording |
| [03:15:36] | pembo13: | ok |
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| [03:23:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ugh... backend has been locking up on me often lately, and if I try to kill it, it's 'defunct'... ... 0.21-fixes from a few days ago... checking for a newer version... |
| [03:24:24] | Agrajag-: | sounds like the backend has started another child process and you should kill that |
| [03:24:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | Agrajag-: Humm... recently got a HDHomerun... does it start a child process for that? |
| [03:25:04] | Agrajag-: | no idea |
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| [03:26:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | Agrajag-: is there a 'ps' flag to show me the child processes of mythbackend? |
| [03:26:41] | Agrajag-: | perhaps try pstree -p |
| [03:27:06] | ** J-e-f-f-A ooh, I like it! ;-) ** | |
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| [03:35:56] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: ps -eH x |
| [03:36:06] | clever: | no idea what half of them do, found it thru trial&error |
| [03:36:23] | clever: | it basicaly shows a tree of every proc on the system |
| [03:36:31] | clever: | grep can then easily narrow it down |
| [03:36:41] | clever: | ps -eH x|grep -v grep|grep -C10 mythbackend |
| [03:37:08] | clever: | 5165 pts/0 S 0:00 backenddaemon media |
| [03:37:08] | clever: | 5668 pts/0 S 0:00 sh -c mythbackend -v most,nojobqueue -l media.be.log |
| [03:37:11] | clever: | 5669 pts/0 Sl 0:12 mythbackend -v most,nojobqueue -l media.be.log |
| [03:37:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | ah... /usr/local/bin/mythbackend --generate-preview 0x0 --chanid 1182 --starttime 20080902210000 |
| [03:39:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and I can't kill -9 it either... ick. |
| [03:40:46] | clever: | -9 is useless on defunc |
| [03:41:02] | clever: | defunc are just waiting for the parrent to get the status thru waitpid() |
| [03:41:16] | clever: | they dont use any cpu and bearly any ram |
| [03:41:31] | clever: | but if you kill momy, init will adopt the orphan and waitpid() it |
| [03:41:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: see -> http://pastebin.ca/1192208 So.. any way to kill it? |
| [03:42:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... seems 'mom' is defunct, child is hung? |
| [03:42:21] | clever: | we need the parrent of 4030 |
| [03:42:27] | clever: | which you cliped out:P |
| [03:42:44] | clever: | the -C10 gets 10 lines of context on either side |
| [03:43:23] | clever: | whats the next line up? |
| [03:43:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | The parent from pstree is just init(1)... will try ps -eH x |grep... |
| [03:45:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I don't think this looks right... http://pastebin.ca/1192214 |
| [03:46:30] | clever: | having mythbackend in your hostname seems to add alot of mess:P |
| [03:46:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: ha! I didn't think of that, yes, the hostname is indeed "mythbackend2" ;-) |
| [03:47:11] | clever: | no 2 from what i see |
| [03:47:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | er... just mythbackend actually... from this build... ;-) |
| [03:47:45] | clever: | kill -9 4030 311 317 634 |
| [03:47:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: I had it running on a shell. ^^ ok, trying now |
| [03:48:49] | clever: | crap |
| [03:48:51] | clever: | killed my master |
| [03:48:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: no effect... |
| [03:49:05] | clever: | i just put a simple patch on mythbackend but forgot to save the old binary |
| [03:49:10] | clever: | now it spews errors about mythcontext |
| [03:49:17] | clever: | and i have 10mins to fix it |
| [03:49:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | DOH! |
| [03:49:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Well, I think I'm going to do the quick & dirty fix for now to get my system back online so I can get to bed... I'm going to re-boot... |
| [03:50:03] | clever: | my next idea for you would be to strace it |
| [03:50:14] | clever: | strace -p 634 |
| [03:50:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | ok, I'll give it a shot. |
| [03:50:31] | clever: | might reveal some usefull but spammy info |
| [03:51:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | simply says "Process 634 attached – interrupt to quit"... |
| [03:51:22] | clever: | feels like its stuck in a kernel lock |
| [03:51:33] | clever: | waiting for a lock that will never get unlocked to unlock |
| [03:52:11] | clever: | only a reboot can fix that |
| [03:52:17] | clever: | or some major kernel hacking |
| [03:52:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Well, like I said, I'm just going to re-boot for now to get myth back up... I'm working on just 4 hrs sleep, and need to get back to sleep now... |
| [03:52:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yeah, not in the mood for anything tonight... :-( |
| [03:52:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: and Agrajag- , thanks... ;-) |
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| [03:53:09] | clever: | 2008-09–03 00:53:04.465 Connection to master server timed out. |
| [03:53:11] | clever: | weird |
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| [03:59:22] | stevecam: | hello |
| [04:02:43] | cesman: | hello |
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| [04:03:33] | tank-man: | hi |
| [04:03:43] | iamlindoro: | a/s/l? |
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| [04:11:38] | stevecam: | whats the UPnP Server in MythTV like? is it any good? |
| [04:11:59] | Dagmar: | It'll stomp on your cat and turn your kids gay. |
| [04:12:28] | pat_: | hmm, I've got a pre-stomped cat and gay kids already |
| [04:12:31] | stevecam: | well its a good thing i dont have kids or a cat |
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| [04:14:11] | stevecam: | so the UPnP server is no good? |
| [04:15:06] | Dagmar: | You'll never know it's there. |
| [04:15:20] | stevecam: | what do you mean? |
| [04:15:51] | cesman: | the server has improved greatly |
| [04:16:08] | cesman: | you should note, I don't use it on a regular basis just for testing |
| [04:16:34] | cesman: | it is doesn't fit the build for you, then perhaps fuppes (fuppes.sf.net) might |
| [04:19:23] | stevecam: | thanks |
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| [04:25:31] | cesman: | you're welcome |
| [04:26:09] | stevecam: | do you host UPnP for yourself |
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| [04:55:15] | ThatOtherGuy: | Erk, aynone know where the equivilent to /etc/sysconfig/modules/lirc.modules from MythDora is in MythBuntu? |
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| [05:12:50] | cesman: | stevecam: I don't do anything w/ UPnP other than test it on occassion |
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| [05:15:55] | tank-man: | stevecam, if good means works, yea its good |
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| [05:18:03] | Striker: | how weird...some shows mythtv skips commercials correctly...others...not at all |
| [05:18:41] | stevecam: | cesman, thanks |
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| [05:39:48] | Gumby: | hi all, I'm trying to watch a recording and the screen flashes black and then back to my recordings screen. I get the following error in mythfrontend.log "NVP: Couldn't find a matching decoder for: /recordings/1401_20080809190000.mpg" Anyone know why this might be? |
| [05:40:02] | Gumby: | I've recently re-added my tuners and thats it |
| [05:42:35] | wagnerrp: | its means you dont have an mpeg decoder |
| [05:42:54] | wagnerrp: | or... the file is corrupt, and mythtv doesnt know what kind of file it is |
| [05:43:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, you said it was a corrupt file, nevermind |
| [05:43:54] | Gumby: | I never said it was a corrupt file |
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| [05:46:13] | tank-man: | does that file exist and playable in other media players like xine or mplayer? |
| [05:46:29] | wagnerrp: | well if re-adding tuners caused that errors, it was before the tuners werent outputting, and you were getting 0 byte files |
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| [05:47:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, i thought 'thats it' meant that was the problem |
| [05:47:58] | wagnerrp: | man, i love reading through what ive just written, and realizing it makes no sense |
| [05:49:25] | wagnerrp: | anyway, either mythtv no longer has an mpeg decoder/splitter (which since you haven't touched mythtv, shouldn't be the case), or the tuners aren't working, but are merely outputting empty files, which mythtv does not know what to do with |
| [05:50:14] | Gumby: | the files were previously good files. (and also 2.8GB). mplayer plays the file just fine |
| [05:51:01] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv somehow lost the ability to play mpeg2 |
| [05:51:11] | Gumby: | yet I can play other files. |
| [05:51:12] | Gumby: | lol |
| [05:51:32] | wagnerrp: | so you have other mpeg2 files that work, you just cant play that one file |
| [05:51:42] | Gumby: | I can play some but not others. |
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| [05:52:24] | Gumby: | oh... now I cant. lol. I just played it two seconds ago |
| [05:52:58] | Striker: | what's file /recordings/1401_20080809190000.mpg say? |
| [05:53:45] | Gumby: | says its data |
| [05:54:32] | Striker: | hm...maybe the extension should be .nuv instead? |
| [05:54:58] | Striker: | but that probably wouldn't stop mplayer from figuring it out |
| [05:55:06] | Gumby: | mplayer works fine |
| [05:55:33] | Striker: | oh, i thought that last line meant mplayer wasn't working |
| [05:56:34] | Gumby: | hrm, I think maybe my storage groups are fubar |
| [05:57:50] | ** Gumby forgets if that is in setup or frontend settings ** | |
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| [05:58:22] | Striker: | heh |
| [05:58:27] | clever: | maybe you could run mythtv-setup and look! |
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| [05:58:49] | Striker: | yeah, cept you get that big scary warning "zomg the backend is running! this might make your computer explode!" |
| [05:59:03] | clever: | wagnerrp: having trouble playing mpeg2 files? |
| [05:59:10] | clever: | wagnerrp: but mpeg4 work fine? |
| [05:59:20] | Gumby: | clever: no, I am :) |
| [05:59:24] | clever: | ah |
| [05:59:27] | clever: | ive had that before |
| [05:59:34] | clever: | restarting mythfrontend would fix it |
| [05:59:48] | clever: | for some reason the mpeg2 decoder implodes 0.1% of the time |
| [06:00:03] | clever: | i tried tracking it down but it didnt come back |
| [06:00:12] | Striker: | it's afraid |
| [06:00:40] | clever: | i tracked the code down and its just unexplainably failing to open the decoder |
| [06:01:08] | clever: | but that was back when it was qt3 based |
| [06:02:01] | Striker: | why dont my custom recording profiles show up in the storage options when I edit a schedule? |
| [06:02:31] | clever: | might be limited to just high/med/low |
| [06:02:43] | clever: | i had similar problems with custom record profiles for transcoding |
| [06:02:44] | Striker: | it seems limited to default/live/high/low |
| [06:02:47] | Striker: | :( |
| [06:02:52] | clever: | i just edited an existing profile |
| [06:02:58] | Striker: | yeah, i try that |
| [06:03:09] | Striker: | but i'd like to have one that has low picture quality, but high audio quality |
| [06:03:55] | clever: | high quality is lossless |
| [06:03:55] | clever: | medium is 500mb/hour |
| [06:03:55] | clever: | for my own setup |
| [06:03:55] | clever: | default(for pvr150) is ~1gig/hour |
| [06:04:30] | Striker: | yeah, but i dont want lossless video for that profile |
| [06:04:48] | clever: | then dont enable it |
| [06:04:58] | Striker: | but i want the high quality to be both |
| [06:05:26] | Striker: | i want my high/med/low to be for both audio and video, plus another with low video, but high audio |
| [06:05:54] | clever: | ive never even messed with the audio quality levels |
| [06:06:22] | clever: | only aud problems i have are the high pitched noises in the framegrabber capture, which i blame on the pci sound card |
| [06:06:44] | Striker: | eh, i dont have issues with it...i just want my profiles to show up ;P |
| [06:06:58] | Striker: | but it's not a priority atm |
| [06:07:09] | Striker: | although, i would like to know what's up with the mpeg encoder |
| [06:07:30] | Striker: | i can't get that thing to actually look like anyhting other than moving blobs |
| [06:08:10] | justinh: | that's all mpeg is.. moving blobs :D |
| [06:08:22] | Striker: | heh |
| [06:08:35] | Striker: | but these are giant, pretty much regardless of the bitrate or quality i use |
| [06:10:19] | Gumby: | weird, sometimes its working and others it isnt |
| [06:10:35] | Gumby: | on the same file(s) |
| [06:11:40] | Striker: | sounds like they might be corrupt |
| [06:11:53] | Striker: | maybe mplayer is skipping over the bad parts? |
| [06:13:02] | justinh: | btw the transcoder profiles are part hard-coded, part not :P |
| [06:13:16] | justinh: | so it can appear you change a name but it's not ;) |
| [06:13:47] | Striker: | transcoders and/or recording profiles? |
| [06:14:00] | Striker: | i haven't done anything with my transcoding settings yet |
| [06:14:12] | Striker: | and have not had anything transcoded yet either |
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| [06:24:23] | JohnDesigner: | In the Video-listview or videoselector, I'm trying to increase the vertical spacing between the text rows of the bins 1 & 2. |
| [06:25:32] | JohnDesigner: | I know how to do it a few ways within regular menus, but can't figure out how to do it for these 'bin' sections. |
| [06:26:34] | justinh: | JohnDesigner: you can't. the spacing is set in the code. that is changing in mythui |
| [06:27:19] | JohnDesigner: | Dang, I wished I would have asked that 2 hours ago ;). |
| [06:27:46] | justinh: | I wish somebody'd told me after I spend a whole day trying to change it a long time ago :) |
| [06:27:55] | JohnDesigner: | lol |
| [06:28:51] | JohnDesigner: | were you saying "well, its just text right? Must be a way to add the magic word..Ill spend just another hour" |
| [06:29:51] | justinh: | no it was causing segfaults when I put the tag in there |
| [06:30:13] | justinh: | I think I finally caved in & looked in the code to see what was supported in the end |
| [06:30:34] | JohnDesigner: | I was combining and spinning the terms from all the other menus in every logical location. |
| [06:30:36] | justinh: | it'd be easy to change the way it works but that'd be pointless now |
| [06:31:25] | justinh: | time to go to work |
| [06:31:39] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: so can it be changed easily (like increase a digit) in one of the python files? |
| [06:31:46] | JohnDesigner: | or is that a goose chase |
| [06:31:55] | JohnDesigner: | for a non-coder like me |
| [06:32:13] | abarber: | i thought i had resolved my EPG troubles, but i have huge blocks of "unknown" programs in the guide...has anyone else experienced this or know of a fix? |
| [06:32:17] | inkynoob: | I'm looking at getting a new 'desktop' computer which would double as my Mythbackend. Is there any reason that something like this wouldn't work with capture cards? http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=62 |
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| [06:34:05] | abarber: | i tried running mythfilldatabase a few times |
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| [06:35:17] | Striker: | wait |
| [06:35:20] | Striker: | unknown blocks... |
| [06:35:31] | Striker: | do you mean unknown channels or unknown shows? |
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| [06:38:15] | Striker: | huh...that case can double as a 4u rackmounted box? |
| [06:39:31] | inkynoob: | I think so |
| [06:41:54] | wagnerrp: | inkynoob: that would work great as a backend or server... not so much as a desktop |
| [06:42:19] | wagnerrp: | its lacking any worthwhile sort of graphics support |
| [06:43:36] | wagnerrp: | i didnt know they make 775 xeons |
| [06:43:52] | inkynoob: | I don't need 3d or anything for what I do (mostly programming and video transcoding), but I'd want something that'll fit at least 4 hard drives and which is a quad core of some sort. I kept my last (current) desktop for almost 5 years, I'd like to do the same with whatever I get now. |
| [06:44:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if you can get Xorg drivers for the server embedded ATI chips |
| [06:45:26] | wagnerrp: | your really limiting yourself to an x1 nVidia or Matrox graphics card |
| [06:46:15] | wagnerrp: | whats the bare price on this? |
| [06:46:57] | inkynoob: | $749 w/ 512M RAM and a Dual Core Intel Pentium E2140 1.60 GHz |
| [06:46:59] | wagnerrp: | are you just looking at this because you dont want to install linux yourself? |
| [06:48:07] | Striker: | [23:43:26]<wagnerrp> i didnt know they make 775 xeons <- they're just basically c2d with more features and more cache |
| [06:48:18] | wagnerrp: | so tack on hard drives, and a worthwhile processor and memory, youre looking at $1500 |
| [06:48:26] | inkynoob: | No, I have no problem installing Linux. I just want some hardware that I know will support Linux. I'm tired of having to compile drivers for everything myself, I want something that just works this time |
| [06:49:11] | inkynoob: | I've got 2T of hard drives already. I would get the RAM upgrade (8G) and the 2.4GHz proc, so $1279 total |
| [06:50:05] | inkynoob: | I'd be happy to look at other machines though. My heart isn't set on this one. |
| [06:50:33] | wagnerrp: | id do some more looking, PCI-X and x4 slots are of little use |
| [06:50:44] | inkynoob: | ok, will do |
| [06:50:58] | inkynoob: | thank you |
| [06:51:19] | inkynoob: | have a good night all, I'm going to bed |
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| [06:51:46] | wagnerrp: | awwww... i was about to do some shopping, but he left |
| [06:53:07] | Striker: | i was confused about the "compiling" and driver comment |
| [06:53:26] | Striker: | i really like that case though |
| [06:53:43] | wagnerrp: | bleh, check out anything supermicro makes |
| [06:53:56] | Striker: | hm? |
| [06:55:39] | wagnerrp: | thats not a server chassis, its just a standard ATX tower |
| [06:56:44] | wagnerrp: | check out some of the supermicro pedestal chassis |
| [07:00:09] | Striker: | just odd that they weould be selling rails as an addon |
| [07:00:16] | Striker: | plus the top looks like it has a mount point for them |
| [07:00:43] | wagnerrp: | they have larger images than the tiny thumbnail im looking at? |
| [07:01:02] | wagnerrp: | oh, javascript... |
| [07:01:29] | Striker: | but...it's 25.55" wide |
| [07:01:48] | wagnerrp: | you mean deep? |
| [07:02:08] | wagnerrp: | because its 4U wide, and if rackmountable, its 19" tall |
| [07:02:58] | wagnerrp: | those dimensions listed dont make any sense to me |
| [07:03:13] | Striker: | well, i'm not exactly knowledgable on rackmount stuff |
| [07:04:10] | Striker: | but yeah, the dimensions dont look like they're for the case... |
| [07:04:21] | wagnerrp: | the 'height' is about half what it should be |
| [07:05:25] | wagnerrp: | those look like the dimensions of some 2U server case not pictured |
| [07:05:33] | Striker: | yeah |
| [07:05:48] | wagnerrp: | actually... they are! |
| [07:06:08] | Striker: | is 16.93 width correct for a 19 inch rack? |
| [07:06:17] | Striker: | that's...a lot of space |
| [07:06:42] | Striker: | hm... i see what you mean: http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=67 |
| [07:06:52] | wagnerrp: | when you account for clearance, and sliding rails, thats about right |
| [07:07:23] | Striker: | ah |
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| [07:31:24] | justinh: | JohnDesigner: you'd have to change the whole scheme for that widget. it currently takes the height of the container & the font height to work out how many items to put in the box. other widgets take a definition for the number of items, the height of each item & the spacing between items. The reason I said there's no point in changing it is that it'll be deprecated when everything that currently uses it is ported t |
| [07:34:21] | justinh: | I'm currently doing battle with some new mythui code to bring back <buttonspacing> in menus. dead easy in theory, all you have to do is set the vertical spacing to (button area height – button height) / number of items; which is fine if you know all those things. I'm stuck on getting the height of the area. I don't know if it's an inheritance issue or what, just yet. more reading of other code is needed before I b |
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| [07:44:52] | justinh: | hrm. did I forget the & ... I dunno. Did I? |
| [07:50:11] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: in that 'bin' list area, I monkeyed with the container height and font sizes, but it seemed the Leading did not change |
| [07:50:34] | justinh: | it won't |
| [07:50:36] | JohnDesigner: | but thats very good to know how that works |
| [07:51:10] | justinh: | the code literally does a (area height / font height) to get the number of items to display |
| [07:51:27] | justinh: | plus a spacing of a couple of pixels IIRC |
| [07:51:59] | JohnDesigner: | I was hoping to increase that couple of px |
| [07:52:03] | JohnDesigner: | oh well. |
| [07:53:39] | justinh: | the new way will be much, much better |
| [07:53:46] | JohnDesigner: | cool! |
| [07:54:02] | justinh: | I've never liked that managedtreelist stuff |
| [07:54:43] | justinh: | especially the way it scales the selectbar item. anything with rounded corners just looks _wrong_ |
| [07:55:06] | JohnDesigner: | i ended up tweaking the selection bar padding and position to make the list items seem less bunched together. |
| [07:55:32] | justinh: | by the time I understood what was going on & where needed changes, the work on mythui was already well underway so there was no point doing anything about it |
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| [07:56:05] | JohnDesigner: | yeah, I just noticed that about the rounded corners. Seemed to work out okay bc the rounds are very small |
| [07:56:45] | JohnDesigner: | makes sense about the new version and not wasting time fixing the old |
| [07:57:37] | justinh: | though if I could code for toffee, I'd be helping with mythui all I could |
| [07:58:19] | justinh: | I dunno how the hell I've managed to do what I've done so far. mostly luck, I think |
| [07:59:10] | directhex: | sounds like most c++ coders then |
| [07:59:23] | JohnDesigner: | its pretty impressive. Sure, it was frustrating to begin learning it, but all and all though, this proof of concept ui dev has gone *much* faster than when Neuros did the OSD1. |
| [08:00:16] | justinh: | I've never really bothered to get my head around first concepts. I can just about read code & borrow from things enough to get by |
| [08:00:58] | JohnDesigner: | agreed. in some ways i'm kind of glad that there isn't a load of doc |
| [08:02:03] | JohnDesigner: | would have been easier for me if I had prior exp in programing, linux, and/or myth :) |
| [08:02:27] | JohnDesigner: | sounds like you have a good handle on all 3 |
| [08:02:32] | justinh: | hahahaha |
| [08:03:48] | justinh: | I don't know how but I can get the jist of a lot of code. I find it easier to read than python. I can stare at that all day & not come away any the wiser |
| [08:04:29] | JohnDesigner: | :) |
| [08:04:34] | justinh: | there are some plugin examples in the wiki, and soon there'll be more apparently |
| [08:05:00] | JohnDesigner: | that would be a great help and time saver. |
| [08:05:08] | justinh: | we need more 'have-a-go' heroes to put their "muhhh, but c++ is scary wary" fears aside |
| [08:05:48] | justinh: | I'm going to do a 'generic info display' plugin at some point – it'll be able to run a script & display the results of said script onscreen |
| [08:07:04] | justinh: | some plugins, that's all they do really, but so far there's not been a general purpose implementation |
| [08:07:13] | JohnDesigner: | that would be great for setup screens and the like |
| [08:09:00] | justinh: | come to think about it, that could be extended into being able to call other programs from on-screen buttons... I can see people using that as a basis for home automation & crap |
| [08:09:50] | justinh: | you can already do that by hacking up menu xml files but that isn't really as flexible |
| [08:11:35] | JohnDesigner: | not sure how much myth is QT based, but any chance QTdesigner could be used to aid in layouts? |
| [08:11:42] | JohnDesigner: | in the .22 |
| [08:12:07] | justinh: | nope |
| [08:12:36] | justinh: | besides, I don't think anything is really complex enough to warrant it |
| [08:13:30] | justinh: | no way! seems my new code is working. now I just need to make it test a bool to invoke it |
| [08:13:50] | JohnDesigner: | well, that might help bring some more arteest types (like me) to the community. |
| [08:14:40] | JohnDesigner: | not sure I would have dove into xml without needing to for this POC. |
| [08:14:50] | JohnDesigner: | not a big deal though |
| [08:16:15] | justinh: | with mythui a lot of stuff can be inherited from other things, so in theory less work will be needed to change whole swathes of stuff |
| [08:17:31] | justinh: | well, core themes aside, there are some nice looking themes for mythtv – the only real problem so far has been the lack of an ability to change much |
| [08:17:57] | directhex: | change we can believe in? |
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| [08:18:43] | justinh: | like, the 'watch recordings' screen is basically just two lists & a description area. not much you can do with that |
| [08:19:21] | justinh: | the epg can be layed out horizontally or vertically apparently but the paradigm which seems to work best is the horizontal view |
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| [08:20:16] | JohnDesigner: | I'm finding that its flexible in some areas like logical layouts – and not flexible in others, like logical layouts ;) |
| [08:20:40] | justinh: | yeah well mythui is bringing much needed commonality to the party |
| [08:21:05] | JohnDesigner: | that will be a great help |
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| [08:21:54] | justinh: | not only from an aesthetic point of view ;) |
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| [08:31:05] | JohnDesigner: | sure, having a pretty turd is no fun ;) |
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| [08:38:34] | sebrock: | man is MythWeb considered buggy? It doesnt work at all with symlinks etc... |
| [08:38:44] | sebrock: | never shows any video_covers |
| [08:39:18] | directhex: | does your apache have the rights to follow those symlinks? |
| [08:39:26] | directhex: | because it works for me, with apache set up right |
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| [08:40:39] | sebrock: | yes, and it works fine on other instances |
| [08:41:44] | sebrock: | see the links to my covers in mythweb is this: http://XXXXXX/data/video_covers//var/Files/20 . . . /0358856.jpg |
| [08:41:56] | sebrock: | where /data/video_covers is the symlink |
| [08:42:16] | sebrock: | and obviously that doesnt work |
| [08:42:34] | justinh: | works for me too : |
| [08:42:43] | directhex: | pinkware error |
| [08:42:51] | sebrock: | whats strange is that mythweb is using my frontend settings? |
| [08:43:07] | sebrock: | which is:video artwork dir: /var/Files/200GB/video_covers/ |
| [08:43:21] | directhex: | UR DOIN IT WRONG. |
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| [08:43:29] | Striker: | http://www.doingitwrong.com/wrong/20070526-100929.jpg |
| [08:43:34] | sebrock: | hahaha |
| [08:43:57] | sebrock: | so how do I fix it? |
| [08:44:03] | sebrock: | please guide me... |
| [08:44:06] | Striker: | but really, video_covers is meant to be a symlink to the directory in your frontend |
| [08:44:31] | Striker: | so if it's sticking the full path in there...that's a bug i would imagine |
| [08:45:37] | sebrock: | well I have my video_covers on the backend and NFS mounted on my frontend |
| [08:45:50] | sebrock: | but in the same path as on server |
| [08:46:10] | Striker: | i dont have any video covers to test on mine |
| [08:48:38] | Striker: | hm |
| [08:48:41] | Striker: | i manually just set one |
| [08:48:50] | Striker: | comes out as: http://192.168.1.104/data/video_covers/id-121.jpg |
| [08:48:55] | Striker: | so works fine for me (TM) |
| [08:49:50] | sebrock: | and how did you point symlink? |
| [08:50:04] | sebrock: | you got frontend/backend on the same machine? |
| [08:50:12] | Striker: | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 30 2008-09–01 19:31 video_covers -> /var/video/Extra Media/Artwork/ |
| [08:50:17] | Striker: | yeah, on the same machine |
| [08:50:35] | justinh: | http://pastebin.ca/1192351 |
| [08:50:51] | Striker: | musak! |
| [08:54:15] | sebrock: | http://pastebin.ca/1192354 |
| [08:54:30] | sebrock: | thats mine, but I have frontend/backend separation |
| [08:54:48] | Striker: | where's your mythweb run? on the backend? |
| [08:54:50] | sebrock: | which settings does your mythweb use? |
| [08:54:52] | sebrock: | backend |
| [08:55:33] | Striker: | you could have a custom settings group for mythweb i guess |
| [08:55:36] | justinh: | are the video files on the backend? |
| [08:56:52] | sebrock: | yes |
| [08:56:57] | Striker: | what distro do you use? |
| [08:57:08] | Striker: | or did you compile everything yourself |
| [08:57:08] | sebrock: | backend is ubuntu server |
| [08:57:25] | Striker: | i wonder if they patch mythweb |
| [08:58:40] | sebrock: | videos doesnt work either... http://XXXXXXXX/data/video/var/Files/200GB/Movies/300.mkv |
| [08:58:49] | sebrock: | its not even treated as symlink |
| [08:59:14] | Striker: | yeah, your mythweb sounds mangled somehow |
| [09:00:02] | Striker: | it looks like you could fix it by symlinking to your root directory...but that's a massively bad idea from a security standpoint |
| [09:01:05] | justinh: | hrm. something is wrong with my maths, or my method here |
| [09:01:19] | Striker: | if you're feeling brave, you might dive into mythweb and see why it's doing that |
| [09:01:31] | Striker: | i know i would |
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| [09:04:24] | sebrock: | I tried before... I managed to download videos via mythweb once... however artwork still didnt work |
| [09:04:50] | Striker: | did you install via apt-get? |
| [09:05:15] | Striker: | if so, you might consider going with the stock version in mythplugins |
| [09:05:27] | sebrock: | yep setting it to root works |
| [09:05:36] | Striker: | but is uber dangerous |
| [09:05:43] | sebrock: | yes I know |
| [09:05:58] | Striker: | you know |
| [09:06:06] | sebrock: | but that proves symlinks DO work |
| [09:06:09] | Striker: | you might be able to solve it with mod_rewrite |
| [09:06:29] | sebrock: | its just that mythweb adds this path to the symlink |
| [09:06:43] | Striker: | yeah...but i have a feeling that's ubuntu's fault |
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| [09:06:51] | Striker: | cuz it doesn't do that in the stock version |
| [09:07:57] | sebrock: | I feel there is something wrong in the settings here... Why is mythweb using my frontend settings |
| [09:08:29] | Striker: | cuz you told it to? |
| [09:08:45] | Striker: | when you install it, it's set to look for a settings group |
| [09:08:56] | Striker: | which is manually set...usually |
| [09:09:22] | Striker: | setenv hostname "my_mythbox" |
| [09:09:36] | Striker: | ^ uses that to look up settings groups in the database |
| [09:09:49] | Striker: | so theoretically, you could make an entire new set for mythweb |
| [09:10:42] | sebrock: | hm... Funny enough the path to video_covers is the same with symlink to / or to the exact path |
| [09:11:43] | sebrock: | http://XXXXXX/data/video_covers//var/Files/20 . . . /0358856.jpg <- symlinked to / |
| [09:11:43] | sebrock: | http://XXXXXXX/data/video_covers//var/Files/2 . . . /0358856.jpg <- symlinked to /var/Files/200GB/video_covers |
| [09:11:54] | Striker: | well yeah... |
| [09:12:01] | Striker: | mythweb isn't going to change what link it uses |
| [09:13:00] | sebrock: | I even tried mount --bind without any luck |
| [09:13:19] | Striker: | right, you're approaching this from the wrong angle |
| [09:13:28] | Striker: | the symlink is not at fault here |
| [09:13:34] | Striker: | your mythweb install or your settings are |
| [09:14:13] | sebrock: | yes I guess :( |
| [09:14:19] | Striker: | diving into my database: |
| [09:14:20] | Striker: | VideoArtworkDir | /var/video/Extra Media/Artwork |
| [09:16:45] | sebrock: | diving into mine: /var/Files/200GB/video_covers/ |
| [09:18:11] | Striker: | is that the only mention of that path in there? |
| [09:18:26] | Striker: | if so, it's entirely mythweb's fault |
| [09:18:41] | Striker: | also...MythMusic is disabled by default in mythplugins? |
| [09:19:03] | ** Striker must be missing a dep ** | |
| [09:19:46] | Striker: | yeah...gotta be |
| [09:20:25] | sebrock: | huh? only mention... |
| [09:20:33] | sebrock: | sorry dont understand that |
| [09:22:17] | Striker: | erm, then it's mythweb's fault |
| [09:22:25] | Striker: | the other stuff was just me mumbling to myself |
| [09:23:03] | Striker: | my guess is that ubuntu either b0rked your mythweb, or maybe they're using an old version...or something |
| [09:24:54] | sebrock: | no, what did you mean by "only mention"? |
| [09:25:59] | Striker: | so that it's not pulling that value from somewhere else |
| [09:27:23] | sebrock: | it seems to use that value in some way, maybe the wrong way... |
| [09:27:31] | Striker: | well |
| [09:27:32] | sebrock: | it works fine from all other aspects of the system |
| [09:27:39] | Striker: | it's supposed to use that value to create the symlink |
| [09:27:48] | Striker: | but...hm |
| [09:27:52] | Striker: | there is another thing... |
| [09:27:56] | sebrock: | create it by itself? |
| [09:28:03] | Striker: | yes, actually |
| [09:28:12] | Striker: | it attempts to create it if it can |
| [09:28:16] | sebrock: | ehm... am I stupid or something... |
| [09:28:30] | Striker: | but if ubuntu installed it, they did it themselves |
| [09:28:33] | sebrock: | alright I created the symlinks myelf |
| [09:28:40] | sebrock: | oh ok |
| [09:28:47] | sebrock: | Its not doing it on the fly |
| [09:29:43] | Striker: | oh you did? |
| [09:29:52] | Striker: | either way, doesn't matter |
| [09:29:56] | sebrock: | yes the ones in mythweb/data is created by me now |
| [09:29:56] | Striker: | you created it correctly the first time |
| [09:30:03] | sebrock: | mm |
| [09:30:25] | sebrock: | but thats interesting, If I point the symlink to / it works |
| [09:31:27] | Striker: | right, but it shouldn't do that |
| [09:31:32] | Striker: | er need that |
| [09:34:05] | sebrock: | and just like you said... If someone gains access to my mythweb I'm toast |
| [09:34:10] | sebrock: | (at least my server is) |
| [09:34:14] | Striker: | yeah, but hold on a sec |
| [09:34:17] | Striker: | i have an idear |
| [09:36:32] | ** sebrock excited ** | |
| [09:38:51] | Striker: | hm |
| [09:39:02] | Striker: | where does the video plugin cache its list of videos? |
| [09:39:33] | quicksilver: | in the database I believe. |
| [09:39:48] | Striker: | but do you know which table? i'm not spotting anything obvious. |
| [09:41:23] | sebrock: | oh |
| [09:43:54] | Striker: | oh videometadata |
| [09:44:44] | Striker: | aha |
| [09:45:05] | Striker: | select coverfile from videometadata; |
| [09:45:12] | Striker: | | /var/video/Extra Media/Artwork/id-121.jpg | |
| [09:45:20] | Striker: | ^ that's what i get for the one i set manually |
| [09:45:27] | Striker: | see if yours include the full path |
| [09:49:38] | sebrock: | hold on |
| [09:57:10] | sebrock: | small issue with webmin here |
| [09:57:22] | justinh: | spaces in filenames. eugh |
| [09:58:37] | Striker: | as if there's a problem with spaces |
| [09:58:58] | justinh: | yes\ there\ is ;) |
| [09:59:14] | Striker: | "no there isn't?" |
| [09:59:30] | justinh: | or, "yes there is" ;) |
| [09:59:41] | Striker: | you have issues |
| [10:00:18] | justinh: | pardon? |
| [10:00:20] | mchou: | lol |
| [10:00:33] | mchou: | who's on first? |
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| [10:07:44] | sebrock: | Striker, | /var/Files/200GB/video_covers//0416449.jpg | |
| [10:09:06] | Striker: | oh that's interesting |
| [10:09:15] | Striker: | the // may be thwarting you |
| [10:09:55] | Striker: | sebrock: remove the trailing / on your video covers directory setting |
| [10:11:35] | sebrock: | I thinnk Ive tried that before |
| [10:12:06] | justinh: | there's thinking, then there's knowing ;) |
| [10:12:48] | sebrock: | hold on |
| [10:14:10] | sebrock: | It still shows as // even after changeing |
| [10:14:16] | sebrock: | and mythweb shows no / |
| [10:14:39] | sebrock: | VideoArtworkDir: /var/Files/200GB/video_covers |
| [10:14:53] | sebrock: | sql: /var/Files/200GB/video_covers//0970468.jpg |
| [10:16:11] | justinh: | ahh. |
| [10:16:41] | justinh: | the absolute path is stored in the database & that's probably what is used when it's displayed rather than the relative path |
| [10:17:19] | Striker: | yeah, try to fix one cover so it doesnt have the double / |
| [10:17:25] | Striker: | then see if it works |
| [10:19:18] | sebrock: | manipulating the db? |
| [10:20:19] | justinh: | UPDATE videometadata SET coverfile = REPLACE(coverfile, '//', '/'); might do it |
| [10:20:50] | justinh: | or just use phpmyadmin.. prolly safer to do the latter |
| [10:21:51] | Striker: | finally...have mythmusic installed |
| [10:22:33] | sebrock: | I'll try webmin when I have reinstalled it |
| [10:24:53] | justinh: | I used to use webmin. then it broke, and then I changed distros |
| [10:26:56] | Striker: | i can't say i've ever seen webmin break |
| [10:27:11] | justinh: | gentoo |
| [10:27:24] | justinh: | 'nuff said |
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| [10:31:54] | justinh: | oh. just had a 3.75TB storage box dropped off for me to modify. Why they didn't max it out to 5TB is beyond me but hey |
| [10:32:08] | Striker: | man...mythmusic's UI for adding songs to the playlist....talk about non-intuitive ;P |
| [10:32:24] | justinh: | talk about it's getting rewritten |
| [10:32:33] | Striker: | that's good to hear |
| [10:32:50] | justinh: | talk about something zillions of users have whined about but nobody contributed even a solitary _idea_ for it |
| [10:33:11] | Striker: | this is the first time i've used it |
| [10:33:35] | justinh: | heh well, I don't use it, mostly because of how it is |
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| [10:34:03] | justinh: | the smart search feature is cool though |
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| [10:36:36] | justinh: | think of all the possible ways it could be improved, then stick to the rationale it still needs to be usable with a remote control ;) |
| [10:37:19] | Striker: | well...the main play UI seems fine imo |
| [10:37:36] | Striker: | but trying to add music to a playlist...i couldn't tell what to do |
| [10:38:54] | Striker: | i expected an item or menu option to just jump in and create a playlist, or import a playlist |
| [10:39:20] | Striker: | i always carry around an m3u with my favs |
| [10:40:16] | Striker: | what's also odd is that the bottom half of the "select music" screen appears to be unused |
| [10:40:58] | Striker: | i do like the music selection working by tree so i can be as detailed as needed |
| [10:47:16] | justinh: | it's not unused |
| [10:47:38] | Striker: | is it for extra info/artwork? |
| [10:47:40] | justinh: | drill down far enough & it shows track info |
| [10:47:45] | Striker: | ah |
| [10:48:04] | Striker: | it's nice that this is about the only plugin that still works when you leave it |
| [10:48:10] | justinh: | contexts might've been better but that's academic with mythui on the way |
| [10:48:16] | Striker: | i wish wathing TV/Recordings could do that |
| [10:49:02] | Striker: | i have to say though, now that i've actually played with the full UI, it's done pretty good, i guess i'd move some menus around and add more menus on items |
| [10:49:32] | Striker: | e.g. select menu on playlists allows you to create a new playlist, then ask what to import into it |
| [10:51:02] | Striker: | hm...i see what you mean about the extra info displayed when you reach track data |
| [10:51:08] | Striker: | but it doesn't work for playlists o_O |
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| [11:32:55] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: does the videos-galleryView have the same hard-coded restrictions for spacing of the folder|coverart grid? |
| [11:33:20] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:33:29] | JohnDesigner: | okay, whew. |
| [11:33:47] | JohnDesigner: | you just saved me another hour or two of monkeying around ;) |
| [11:35:05] | sebrock: | Striker, it didnt work to manipulate the db and removing / |
| [11:35:45] | justinh: | JohnDesigner: fyi the graphics for the gallery view can be changed. they're currently hard-coded to mv_gallery_*.png – just put your own versions in the root dir of your theme |
| [11:36:46] | JohnDesigner: | roger that. I'll be taking that advice, thx |
| [11:37:30] | justinh: | and mv_gallery_dir_up.png is an image which gets displayed on top of a mv_gallery_folder image |
| [11:37:55] | justinh: | it's for going 'up' the dir path a step |
| [11:39:03] | JohnDesigner: | an important feature indeed |
| [11:39:30] | justinh: | orange doesn't always go with theme designer's colour schemes ;) |
| [11:39:55] | justinh: | _reg is the image which is displayed normally (unselected) and _sel is the selected image |
| [11:40:30] | JohnDesigner: | orange is tricky alrigght. Its Neuros' brand main color. |
| [11:40:43] | JohnDesigner: | hmm, still can't get the plot info. |
| [11:40:47] | justinh: | this'll all be changed in the mythui version.. the 'gallery' view equivalent is a grid list view now IIRC |
| [11:41:17] | justinh: | JohnDesigner: might be a good idea to just hack some values into the database – useful for testing ;) |
| [11:41:46] | justinh: | I tend to do that to test line wrapping, text box areas & that sort of thing |
| [11:42:13] | justinh: | restricting yourself to 'real' metadata can hide problems ;) |
| [11:42:14] | JohnDesigner: | good idea. I was trying to figure how to do that the other day, but was told i'd need a pytho editor |
| [11:42:54] | JohnDesigner: | how can i hack in some plot info. that would be fabulous |
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| [11:43:50] | justinh: | UPDATE videometadata SET plot="foobarfoobarfoobaretcetcetcetcetcetc" WHERE title="something"; |
| [11:44:43] | justinh: | e.g. mysql -u mythtv -p$thepassword mythconverg -e 'mysql command goes here' |
| [11:45:05] | justinh: | or just use phpmyadmin, or indeed mythweb's metadata editor |
| [11:46:08] | JohnDesigner: | cool, I'll give it a go. I kind of get what you're saying. |
| [11:46:57] | justinh: | basically when you test the theme, aim to use text fields which are as full as possible |
| [11:47:25] | justinh: | handy for spotting the unexpected, like where long names can overflow onto other areas |
| [11:47:42] | JohnDesigner: | I'll do some cut and paste from IMDB. That should do it |
| [11:48:03] | gbee: | I'll be adding full metadata editing to mythvideo for 0.22, it was one thing that bothered me when testing for the mythui port |
| [11:48:13] | JohnDesigner: | bless your soul |
| [11:48:18] | justinh: | nah. just use any old text. what I'm saying is that there's no 'general' length of metadata ;) |
| [11:48:46] | justinh: | plot descriptions can cary from four words to 150 ;) |
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| [11:49:23] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: yup, groked that. Just sayin the Imdb text will go along with this proof of concept better./ No matter |
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| [11:49:54] | justinh: | similarly, test things like dates with the longest possible length – myth lets you choose the format dates are presented as, for example |
| [11:50:23] | justinh: | I've fallen into the trap of only allowing 4 characters for dates where some users like the full date shown |
| [11:51:58] | justinh: | a line has to be drawn at some point though – I mean I wouldn't expect anybody to test a theme with every language combination.. some languages have very long words for menu entries ;) |
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| [11:53:15] | justinh: | gbee: btw hitting myself with a cluebat isn't getting me very far yet. I'll stick at it some more before waving the white flag |
| [11:54:13] | gbee: | justinh: sure, it's not like I could use the help |
| [11:54:37] | justinh: | managed to get a new tag read into a bool, and operate on the spacing.. just need to sort out that part about calling getbuttonposition every setarrowpositionstate |
| [11:55:28] | justinh: | wish I got a laptop with 17" screen now |
| [11:56:07] | laga: | resolution is what matters ;) |
| [11:57:32] | justinh: | some things are best done across two or more monitors |
| [11:58:04] | laga: | 26" TN panels are like 300€ now |
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| [11:58:33] | justinh: | gbee: if I crack this I might have a go at wrapping & the magical vanishing 1st watermark too |
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| [11:59:04] | gbee: | justinh: the latter is actually fairly simple, I just need to move a line of code |
| [11:59:34] | justinh: | I thought the other bits were simple. heh. talk about missing something |
| [12:00:05] | gbee: | if you tackle wrapping then it should be optional (obviously) but you'll also need to deal with it in all layout modes, same for the spacing too |
| [12:00:33] | gbee: | justinh: once you know the code intimately it gets much easier ;) |
| [12:00:44] | justinh: | course, there's no guarantee that what I've done is actually doing what it looks like it's doing... |
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| [12:02:23] | justinh: | laga: likely you'll get your new theme tarball by the end of the week. gonna give it a once-over myself. shouldn't be as buggy as the current version though |
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| [12:02:43] | justinh: | the OSD is much nicer now IMHO |
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| [12:03:29] | laga: | justinh: awesome :) |
| [12:03:33] | justinh: | if no other area of code needs a mockup tool, the osd would be the first thing I hit |
| [12:04:05] | justinh: | inkscape & some perl could come in handy |
| [12:05:28] | justinh: | btw on the way into work this morning I had another idea. people sometimes ask about recording methods not yet implemented.. wonder if a gstreamer-ended recording class would be wide of the mark |
| [12:06:11] | justinh: | not that I could have anything to do with it... ENOTENOUGHBRAINZ |
| [12:06:17] | laga: | hehe |
| [12:06:28] | laga: | there has been talk about using gstreamer.. |
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| [12:06:54] | laga: | i think gstreamer is "pluggable" so it'd be easier to remove naughty stuff like liblame |
| [12:07:47] | justinh: | ok so it has its detractors (same people who diss fluendo, including me) but what it has going for it is the fact it's a ready-made architecture people know about |
| [12:08:09] | justinh: | and no I won't be swayed on Python using my own argument :P |
| [12:10:26] | justinh: | ooo. idea just came about for the MythGeneralPurpose plan of mine. easy-peasy way to get lmsensors into the UI |
| [12:10:31] | gbee: | my natural reaction is to fight the suggestions to use gstreamer |
| [12:11:04] | justinh: | I wasn't thinking in terms of replacing anything with gstreamer – there could be a new recording class that used gstreamer for input |
| [12:11:54] | gbee: | for a start it adds lots of deps when we spend a lot of time trying to reduce them, secondly ffmpeg is serving us well for playback and it just gets better all the time, as far as input – well I don't know ... |
| [12:13:06] | justinh: | all valid points, just get these random ideas sometimes |
| [12:13:15] | gbee: | laga: losing the lame dep is very easy and were Captain_Murdoch not so busy I'd guess we'd already have done it |
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| [12:20:26] | justinh: | wonder what'd happen if distros started withdrawing everything potentially contentious (patent-wise) – like general mpeg stuff |
| [12:23:07] | directhex: | then you'd get fedora! |
| [12:24:19] | directhex: | anyway, it's easy. switch to gstreamer, then make the gstreamer-ffmpeg plugin a mandatory dependency! ;) |
| [12:24:31] | justinh: | just seems daft for some distros to be able to play (uncrippled) DVD out of the box but not mp3 |
| [12:25:14] | directhex: | thompson's patent lawyers are a fighty bunch |
| [12:25:36] | directhex: | consider there have been armed raids on trade shows looking for mp3 players without mp3 patent licenses |
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| [12:28:45] | justinh: | thank $deity for small mercies, in that case |
| [12:31:57] | sebrock: | stupid webmin |
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| [12:36:17] | blerrr: | Hello |
| [12:36:45] | directhex: | mock fluendo if you like, but they DO pay the patent license for ALL fluendo gstreamer mp3 plugin users. without charge |
| [12:38:29] | blerrr: | I have a problem locating the deinterlace settings in 0.22 can anybody tell me where they are? |
| [12:40:00] | directhex: | there's no 0.22 |
| [12:40:06] | directhex: | (yet) |
| [12:41:37] | Sulx: | blerrr: playback profiles |
| [12:41:51] | Sulx: | after you edit one profile settings, then it moves to deinterlace setting |
| [12:42:50] | blerrr: | There is no playback profiles option in 0.22 |
| [12:42:53] | blerrr: | sorry |
| [12:42:59] | blerrr: | I menbt trunk |
| [12:43:02] | blerrr: | ment |
| [12:43:06] | gbee: | yes there is |
| [12:43:12] | justinh: | there are playback profile settings, fer shire |
| [12:43:25] | gbee: | Settings -> TV -> TV Playback |
| [12:43:32] | blerrr: | Yep I know |
| [12:43:45] | blerrr: | For some starnge reason they don't show up |
| [12:44:24] | blerrr: | its a svn snapshot of head ( what WILL be 0.22) |
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| [12:48:03] | blerrr: | can anyone post there /usr/local/share/tv_settings.xml in pasterbin and send me the link |
| [12:48:23] | justinh: | it's not in there |
| [12:49:43] | justinh: | page 3 of tv settings > playback |
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| [12:55:32] | blerrr: | Thanks |
| [12:56:07] | justinh: | maybe playback profiles should have their own menu entry – I was thinking that the other night |
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| [13:03:50] | gbee: | I think you may be right |
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| [13:06:06] | blerrr: | Yeah they probaly should |
| [13:06:08] | blerrr: | OK so so far everything works fine |
| [13:06:33] | blerrr: | Though I have a question about the way the remote acts |
| [13:07:01] | justinh: | blerrr: what does your opinion have to do with it? ;) |
| [13:07:31] | justinh: | it's on my to-do list now :P |
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| [13:09:13] | blerrr: | it seems like when you use the remote in the tv guide you can't jump to channels by pressing their number. |
| [13:09:13] | blerrr: | BTW I can do it with the keybord |
| [13:11:50] | justinh: | then it must seem like your number buttons aren't defined properly in lircd.conf or ~/.mythtv/lircrc or in ~/.lircrc |
| [13:13:55] | justinh: | using irw, verify all your remote buttons are worky :) |
| [13:14:38] | neztiti: | guys how i can change recording directory 2 another partion (another HD) |
| [13:15:13] | justinh: | hahaha not only did I have to make new cables for the box, modify a pcb to fit a new connector.. I have to cut a slot in the metalwork to pass a new cable through onto the new connector |
| [13:15:46] | justinh: | neztiti: best bet is to mount the new drive to the same location & move files onto it from the other |
| [13:16:20] | justinh: | best/safest |
| [13:16:28] | neztiti: | justinh: how i can do it? |
| [13:17:03] | justinh: | man mount, man mv |
| [13:18:07] | justinh: | also, man fstab |
| [13:19:37] | justinh: | or, you could just make a new partition, mount the new hdd to it & copy the recordings across then update the database to reflect the new file locations... |
| [13:19:39] | gbee: | add the second partition as a storage group, mv the files over, remove the first storage grou |
| [13:20:01] | justinh: | woo would that work like that? something else I didn't know |
| [13:20:04] | gbee: | ignore justinh because he's forgetting storage groups ;) |
| [13:20:49] | neztiti: | justinh:ok thank u m8 |
| [13:20:59] | gbee: | actually, correction – add the second partition to the existing storage group, don't delete the storage group – just remove the old drive from the storage group once finished |
| [13:22:08] | justinh: | it's dremellin time! :D |
| [13:23:48] | blerrr: | justinh: Actually the number are set correctly. I can change the channel in Live Tv but not in the Tv guide |
| [13:25:13] | gbee: | blerrr: it's just another setting |
| [13:25:32] | justinh: | mmmmm dremelly |
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| [13:35:42] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: no luck with setting up phpmyadmin or mythweb, so I just smashed my hand with a hammer instead |
| [13:35:48] | JohnDesigner: | gah |
| [13:36:11] | JohnDesigner: | i still dont even know which file holds the video metadata. |
| [13:36:17] | justinh: | no file |
| [13:36:25] | justinh: | it's all the mysql database |
| [13:37:00] | justinh: | if I was getting paid to help I'd probably be able to give you a database to play with :D |
| [13:38:49] | justinh: | ruh?! somewhat startled to discover a gnome file browser window auto-previews meeja files :-O |
| [13:38:52] | GreyFoxx: | the video metadata (for mythvideo) is spread accross a couple tables, but most is in I think "videometadata" |
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| [13:40:37] | JohnDesigner: | i saw the 'videometadata' reference a couple of times in a pl file somewhere I think. |
| [13:41:05] | JohnDesigner: | at least it looked like code to collect the data, but I have no real clue |
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| [13:41:50] | JohnDesigner: | interestingly enough, in those code sections, the 'plot' row only listed 'text," |
| [13:43:05] | JohnDesigner: | where the other data rows like 'title' and 'rating' and such had more code to them. |
| [13:44:58] | justinh: | just make up some dummy data & shove that into the videometadata table :) |
| [13:49:33] | JohnDesigner: | heh, that's what I'm trying to do, but lack the expertise to do it |
| [13:49:48] | justinh: | you need a consultant :D |
| [13:50:06] | justinh: | and I need a new job. what a coincidence |
| [13:50:11] | JohnDesigner: | I certainly do :) |
| [13:50:36] | JohnDesigner: | don't worry tho, I won't trouble you with my newbness. I need to ice my hand anyway |
| [13:50:54] | JohnDesigner: | one thing... |
| [13:51:08] | JohnDesigner: | if I use that UPDATE command you mentioned earlier |
| [13:51:39] | JohnDesigner: | will that make the same plot text for all videos? |
| [13:51:53] | justinh: | you really did hit your hand with a hammer? gawd are you drafting theme graphics in marble? ;) |
| [13:52:24] | JohnDesigner: | not actually, but my keyboard is lucky I'm too tired to get irrational ;) |
| [13:53:00] | justinh: | JohnDesigner: no, just using UPDATE videometadata SET plot="biglongplotdescription" WHERE title="sometitle"; would only update titles where the title=sometitle |
| [13:53:25] | justinh: | if you wanted it to update all plot fields, omit the "WHERE title='foo'" clause |
| [13:53:58] | JohnDesigner: | Gotcha. I'm an idiot for not picking that up the first time. |
| [13:54:22] | JohnDesigner: | one last Q – where do I enter that string? |
| [13:54:52] | justinh: | in the mysql server commandline |
| [13:55:05] | justinh: | either logged into it via mysql -u $user -p$password $database |
| [13:55:13] | justinh: | or via a direct command like this: |
| [13:55:39] | justinh: | mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg -e '$yourmysqlcommandline' |
| [13:58:05] | JohnDesigner: | ok, well thanks loads for the help. If I can't figure it out with the steps you gave me then I'mna punt. |
| [14:00:33] | justinh: | if you don't figure it out with those steps, they should hire a real mythtv themer instead :P |
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| [14:01:02] | JohnDesigner: | amen to that ;) |
| [14:02:55] | justinh: | anyhow, how does somebody go about winding up as a professional ui designer? |
| [14:03:34] | justinh: | is it too late for someone in his 30s who never went to art college? |
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| [14:03:54] | JohnDesigner: | I'm an industrial designer actually, but dabble in ui's on occasion. |
| [14:04:26] | JohnDesigner: | I did some of the logical flow for the neuros audio computer a while back |
| [14:04:59] | JohnDesigner: | the same priciples apply between ID and UI design in most respects. |
| [14:04:59] | justinh: | I reckon it must be pretty difficult to design a UI as bad as 99% of all software that comes with TV cards has ;) |
| [14:05:27] | JohnDesigner: | oh my yes, very difficult. |
| [14:06:00] | justinh: | they must work long & hard at it, the likes of Leadtek :D |
| [14:06:11] | JohnDesigner: | btw, I would never claim to be a professional ui designer, its more of an avocation |
| [14:06:18] | JohnDesigner: | haven't seen that one |
| [14:06:39] | justinh: | come to think about it, Hauppauge's own is pretty sucky too |
| [14:07:40] | JohnDesigner: | Hauppauge's are horrible. Well, logically their layouts are okayyy. The visuals are nasty |
| [14:07:56] | justinh: | I've never really claimed to be 'a designer' full-stop, but people have liked the work |
| [14:08:24] | justinh: | and I'm at that time of my life where I'm considering a career move |
| [14:08:39] | JohnDesigner: | thats all it takes to make a living at it. One day after enough projects that folks like you are a pro. |
| [14:09:06] | justinh: | well, I was kinda offerred & threw it back last year. doh |
| [14:09:13] | JohnDesigner: | especially in consulting, its all about the portfolio. |
| [14:10:14] | JohnDesigner: | technical expertise + artistic talent is a lethal combo |
| [14:11:14] | justinh: | maybe time to stop under-selling myself, or wake up & smell the java. whichever |
| [14:11:35] | justinh: | then again, it's good fun as a hobby.. could be way different having to make it pay the bills |
| [14:12:02] | justinh: | I enjoy DJing too but I couldn't see myself making my living that way |
| [14:12:25] | tim1: | how do you make it like ? |
| [14:12:49] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [14:13:30] | JohnDesigner: | if you live a moderately conservative lifestyle, a combo of those things can work if that makes you happy. |
| [14:13:50] | tim1: | I mean how do you make your living. Mabe its not very different and you wouldn't even notice |
| [14:14:18] | justinh: | oh it'd be very different, believe me |
| [14:14:32] | justinh: | it'd mean I could work from home, for one thing |
| [14:14:44] | JohnDesigner: | I do that now. |
| [14:14:50] | JohnDesigner: | s'okay |
| [14:14:59] | tim1: | How do you work from home. |
| [14:15:03] | mzb_d800: | what would you do for a hobby then justinh ? |
| [14:15:16] | justinh: | mzb_d800: give up IRC for good :) |
| [14:15:21] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [14:15:42] | justinh: | take up hang-gliding or something instead |
| [14:15:43] | JohnDesigner: | tim1: I'm an independent designer. Mostly product design. |
| [14:15:55] | tim1: | I would like to do my interests at home and get paid. |
| [14:16:38] | justinh: | I'd love to meet the guy who designed the case I've just been modifying... to hit him with a hammer |
| [14:16:46] | JohnDesigner: | well, prepare yourself to grind it out. working at home gets kinda old after a while. |
| [14:17:06] | justinh: | but then, he was probably only working to a brief from a pointy-haired boss |
| [14:17:20] | JohnDesigner: | seems great to begin with, but its easy to go batty after a few months of it. |
| [14:17:49] | justinh: | I reckon there are two kinds of home workers. the ones who find it easy to stay motivated, and those who fail |
| [14:17:53] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: hehe, something like that. I spend a few days a month at client offices. |
| [14:18:02] | tim1: | jhonD did you go to uni. |
| [14:18:40] | JohnDesigner: | exactly. motivation is one key element. the other I think is one _needs_ to have schedule freedom. |
| [14:19:00] | JohnDesigner: | I made about 3x more money working in a cubicle. |
| [14:19:18] | JohnDesigner: | but I was absolutely miserable. Like health problem miserable. |
| [14:19:46] | tim1: | stress ...... |
| [14:19:57] | justinh: | my job could be much worse. how many day jobs do you get to play with power tools & computing gear in the same breath? |
| [14:20:26] | justinh: | could do with it being closer to home, that's the problem. 35 mile commute, each way |
| [14:20:53] | JohnDesigner: | yup, not bad. Be an industrial designer. Power tools, CAD systems, markers, etc. are in the job description. |
| [14:21:13] | justinh: | and on the money I get, I'm not underpaid for the work I do by any means |
| [14:21:14] | JohnDesigner: | how long does that 35 miles take? |
| [14:21:33] | justinh: | varies between 30 & 120 minutes :P |
| [14:21:39] | JohnDesigner: | my corporate job was 15 miles and took 50 mins. ick |
| [14:21:56] | gbee: | I like working from home, suits my natural hours |
| [14:22:04] | directhex: | night owl? |
| [14:22:28] | JohnDesigner: | gbee: i hear you there. I prefer working in the wee hours. better focus. |
| [14:22:35] | gbee: | not quiet, but I'm definately not a morning person, my brain doesn't really start working until just before lunch |
| [14:22:58] | gbee: | my best work comes sometime around midnight |
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| [14:24:05] | justinh: | reminds me I need to badger somebody about a Proengineer licence |
| [14:24:27] | mzb_d800: | mine allows me to look after our 3yo ... but then the job hasn't really kicked off yet |
| [14:24:43] | GreyFoxx: | hahaha |
| [14:24:56] | GreyFoxx: | Just got a TakeDown notice from Paramount about a customer of ours seeding torrents :) |
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| [14:26:17] | justinh: | one of our DVRs at a customer site got ping-of-death'd into submission & let somebody hijack it into serving pay-tv boxing matches once. that was funny |
| [14:27:24] | directhex: | GreyFoxx, stop seeding torrents then! |
| [14:27:26] | justinh: | note to developers – don't assume that it's ok to leave passwords as plaintext :) |
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| [14:28:13] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: you know ProE? |
| [14:28:21] | gbee: | justinh: actually that's funny, I was just wondering why we do exactly that in mythvideo – I was going to suggest to Anduin that they at least be hashed |
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| [14:29:10] | justinh: | JohnDesigner: not yet ;) |
| [14:29:57] | JohnDesigner: | justinh: CAD is one area that I can help you, although not the nuts and botls of ProE. |
| [14:30:23] | JohnDesigner: | I've been a Solidworks user since '97 |
| [14:30:27] | justinh: | I'm not bad at autocad. our hardware cad engineers offload stuff to me sometimes |
| [14:30:41] | JohnDesigner: | thats a good start |
| [14:31:13] | justinh: | mostly cable drawings but some metalworking |
| [14:33:12] | justinh: | one thing which'd work against me no doubt.. I can't abide photoshop |
| [14:34:06] | JohnDesigner: | thats how it begins, with basic parts work, then gradually work up to 1000 part assys ;) |
| [14:34:42] | JohnDesigner: | do you mean pixel editors or Pshop in particular? |
| [14:35:10] | justinh: | I mean photoshop in particular |
| [14:35:15] | JohnDesigner: | I've used gimp for the first time this week. pretty neat overall, but Pshop still smokes it. |
| [14:35:26] | justinh: | PSP is what I always used to use |
| [14:35:42] | JohnDesigner: | Actually, I do everything I can in Illustrator. |
| [14:35:43] | justinh: | I cant stand how low quality everything in photoshop looks |
| [14:36:23] | JohnDesigner: | ? |
| [14:36:37] | justinh: | at non-100% zoom levels |
| [14:36:45] | justinh: | the scaling quality is _shocking_ |
| [14:37:28] | justinh: | unless there's a setting for that which I never found.. |
| [14:37:32] | justinh: | always possible |
| [14:37:36] | GreyFoxx: | dir: Hehe in this case it wasn't me or a coworker :) |
| [14:37:54] | JohnDesigner: | hmm, haven't noticed that myself. maybe I'm just used to it now. I only use the picel editos when vector is too convoluted. |
| [14:38:09] | justinh: | plus my own buttons & stuff are better than PS presets :) |
| [14:38:43] | justinh: | PSP9 is a nice mix of vector & bitmap – just a shame it can't export its vectors as svg or .ai |
| [14:39:23] | justinh: | inkscape is pretty amazing though. now using that exclusively |
| [14:39:50] | tim1: | I use gimp |
| [14:41:43] | justinh: | have yet to see a masterpiece done in gimp alone |
| [14:42:39] | tim1: | well photoshop too |
| [14:44:42] | JohnDesigner: | http://www.drawthrough.com/galleries.php |
| [14:44:52] | JohnDesigner: | Pshop wickedness |
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| [14:51:19] | justinh: | cool :) |
| [14:51:38] | justinh: | knocks some of my work into 'amateurish scribbles' boxes |
| [14:51:45] | justinh: | some/all |
| [14:52:07] | tim1: | hehe |
| [14:52:08] | justinh: | aka don't give up the day job :) |
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| [15:04:37] | plb_: | anyone want to help me out I've got a wintv pvr usb2 which plays tv in mplayer fine but in mythtv it doesn't seem to work.. |
| [15:04:51] | plb_: | myth log says.... |
| [15:05:03] | plb_: | NVR(/dev/video0): Won't work with the streaming interface, falling back |
| [15:05:12] | plb_: | NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Failed to set audio |
| [15:05:13] | plb_: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [15:05:19] | justinh: | pastebin! |
| [15:05:43] | justinh: | well, first off you set the capture device to the wrong type – or rather you didn't set anything, you just left it as the default |
| [15:05:54] | plb_: | hm |
| [15:05:56] | plb_: | ok |
| [15:05:58] | plb_: | lemme see |
| [15:06:18] | justinh: | you have to select the 'MPEG2 encoding' type of capture device |
| [15:06:41] | justinh: | not V4L, which is the default |
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| [15:07:39] | plb_: | hm ok got picture but now another problem lol |
| [15:07:50] | plb_: | NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Failed to set audio |
| [15:07:50] | plb_: | eno: Invalid argument (22) |
| [15:07:53] | plb_: | er |
| [15:07:54] | plb_: | woops |
| [15:07:59] | laga: | PASTEBIN |
| [15:08:00] | plb_: | 2008-09–03 11:07:23.672 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [15:08:03] | plb_: | sorry |
| [15:08:16] | laga: | one line is ok, though ;) |
| [15:08:19] | plb_: | video stays still likes it froze and audio starts skipping |
| [15:08:28] | plb_: | I get a screenfull of that |
| [15:09:00] | justinh: | sounds like a playback problem |
| [15:10:52] | plb_: | hmm |
| [15:10:57] | plb_: | argh |
| [15:13:09] | plb_: | annoying |
| [15:13:26] | plb_: | video pops and audio starts normal then the video freezes and audio starts skipping |
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| [15:22:19] | justinh: | bugger. these new sata boards don't have the firmware in em |
| [15:27:25] | sid3windr: | THE firmware |
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| [15:30:22] | justinh: | yeah THE firmware |
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| [15:34:21] | neztiti: | guys high cpu load here with ubuntu hardy 8.04 any help?? |
| [15:37:40] | jarle: | neztiti: which process? (use 'top') |
| [15:41:29] | neztiti: | jarle: cpu0 and 1 |
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| [15:43:54] | neztiti: | jarle: i closed myth-fronend and now prosseser 0 |
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| [15:46:03] | neztiti: | jarle: srange its with free channels |
| [15:46:51] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: When you come back to the screen, can I get a link to your in-progress DB backup scripts? I'm probably going to do a fresh build this week with my new mobo and would like to use them when doing the backup |
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| [15:47:44] | jarle: | neztiti: try using qt instead of opengl in the settings |
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| [16:00:07] | neztiti: | jarle:ok thank you m8 |
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| [17:21:21] | dmandell: | I've recently started having a problem with LiveTV and am hoping someone can help me figure out what's happened. |
| [17:22:31] | dmandell: | Whereas previously each show got recording treated as its own half hour or hour recording, now when I'm watching livetv it'll think it's recording the same show I started watching until I turn it off. |
| [17:23:10] | dmandell: | For example: If I tune to channel 2 at 7pm and watch Jeopardy, at 7:30 livetv should stop recording Jeopardy and start a new recording with Wheel of Fortune, then at 8:00pm it should start a new recording for Numb3rs, etc. |
| [17:23:38] | dmandell: | Now it starts a recording for Jeopardy at 7:00pm, and then continues that recording for hours... basically until it fills up the drive. |
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| [17:24:26] | dmandell: | My fiancee prefers being able to watch livetv. |
| [17:24:42] | dmandell: | I just want it to work the way it's supposed to, that's all. |
| [17:25:40] | directhex: | you have valid scheduling data? |
| [17:25:49] | dmandell: | Any idea on what might be causing livetv to not notice time block changes? |
| [17:26:30] | dmandell: | FWIW, when watching livetv it normally tells you how many minutes are left in that particular show on the info banner (i.e. "Jeopardy, 28 minutes remaining", that time isn't getting updated on the banner any more. |
| [17:26:42] | dmandell: | Which seems related to the problem. |
| [17:26:52] | kormoc: | and as directhex asked, are you sure you have valid schedule data? |
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| [17:27:23] | dmandell: | Sorry, missed the question. The program guide is good. |
| [17:27:38] | dmandell: | Or at least, it's full, I see schedule data for the next half hour and beyond. |
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| [17:34:21] | Mousey: | hi |
| [17:34:29] | iamlindoro_: | Users list POS thread of the day: I've heard about troubles with XFS and JFS, so I don't want to use them any more. How can I maximize ext3 performance on my RAID? |
| [17:35:49] | iamlindoro_: | I've heard XFS can have problems, too, let's make that RAID FAT16! |
| [17:36:45] | PatrickDK: | I have had issues with xfs myself |
| [17:36:59] | PatrickDK: | but then I have had issues with everything (except jfs, cause I haven't used it yet) |
| [17:37:17] | directhex: | xfs problems? what specifically? |
| [17:37:34] | iamlindoro_: | Point being *every* filesystem can have problems |
| [17:37:41] | PatrickDK: | directhex, I forget was a few years ago, had issues, spend 2 days attempting to fix it |
| [17:37:53] | directhex: | xfs is now known to murder your wife, that's a good thing |
| [17:37:53] | PatrickDK: | and ultimately I just scrapped the whole system |
| [17:37:57] | iamlindoro_: | stepping back a few generations, especially for a rRAID for media storage isn't going to make things better... doubly so with EXT |
| [17:38:07] | PatrickDK: | directhex, that is reiserfs |
| [17:38:09] | directhex: | i've lost my recordings twice and a critical server once to jfs |
| [17:38:12] | directhex: | in the last 18 months |
| [17:38:24] | directhex: | PatrickDK, s/now/not/ |
| [17:38:32] | PatrickDK: | I have had horrible issues with reiserfs |
| [17:38:45] | directhex: | it murdered your wife? |
| [17:38:47] | ** iamlindoro_ predicts a reiser namechange in the next 12 months ** | |
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| [17:39:02] | PatrickDK: | hangmanfs? |
| [17:39:16] | Dagmar: | Ya'll use a filesystem that we've documented doesn't handle Myth's needs well, and you get what you asked for |
| [17:39:34] | Dagmar: | Some filesystems are better at some things than others. |
| [17:39:43] | PatrickDK: | I use ext2, works well for me :) |
| [17:39:46] | Dagmar: | Stop trying to find *one* filesytsem that "does everything". That's lunacy. |
| [17:40:02] | directhex: | NTFS! |
| [17:40:10] | iamlindoro_: | OneRingFS? |
| [17:40:12] | Dagmar: | Except that one |
| [17:40:15] | iamlindoro_: | One FS to rule them all |
| [17:40:50] | Dagmar: | NTFS pretty much does everything badly. |
| [17:41:09] | directhex: | ntfs has a critical beautiful naive design flaw, inherited from fat32 |
| [17:41:17] | directhex: | well, fat in general |
| [17:41:19] | Penfold: | and in the darkness bind(1) them? |
| [17:41:30] | tim1: | so dose ext3 |
| [17:41:44] | directhex: | anyway, want the perfect filesystem? cool kids talk about ZFS. those in the know like BeFS |
| [17:42:19] | directhex: | well, s/those in the know/nerds who can't let go/ |
| [17:42:22] | PatrickDK: | not zfs |
| [17:42:35] | directhex: | cool kids like it! |
| [17:43:12] | tim1: | Dose any one need a kidney? |
| [17:43:24] | tim1: | http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/den/816812526.html |
| [17:43:41] | iamlindoro_: | I don't know where that kidney's been |
| [17:44:04] | tim1: | its too late any way |
| [17:44:18] | iamlindoro_: | I'll trade him tickets to the swearing in |
| [17:44:39] | tim1: | hehe |
| [17:45:18] | iamlindoro_: | Perhaps he'd be interested in my MythTV screenshot: http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png |
| [17:45:19] | iamlindoro_: | :) |
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| [17:46:32] | abarber: | hahahahaha |
| [17:46:40] | abarber: | "how to do girls" |
| [17:46:48] | iamlindoro_: | That podcast is teh shit |
| [17:46:53] | abarber: | word? |
| [17:46:56] | iamlindoro_: | Yar |
| [17:46:59] | abarber: | link? |
| [17:47:06] | iamlindoro_: | www.howtodogirls.com |
| [17:47:08] | iamlindoro_: | it's funny |
| [17:47:15] | abarber: | i'll check it out |
| [17:47:16] | iamlindoro_: | as in how-to-do girls, not how to do girls |
| [17:47:23] | abarber: | right |
| [17:47:25] | iamlindoro_: | chicks in lingerie giving howtos |
| [17:47:33] | iamlindoro_: | lots of funny double entendre |
| [17:47:40] | directhex: | you got me at "chicks in lingerie" |
| [17:47:46] | Dagmar: | SO WE'RE CLEAR THAT IT'S NSFW, RIGHT? |
| [17:47:47] | directhex: | hell, you got me at "chicks" |
| [17:47:58] | iamlindoro_: | yar |
| [17:48:10] | iamlindoro_: | depends the work I suppose |
| [17:48:28] | iamlindoro_: | I work at american's largest producer of hardcore midget pony porn |
| [17:48:35] | abarber: | haha |
| [17:48:36] | Dagmar: | Being that I don't work in a whorehouse or strip club |
| [17:48:48] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: you're at that datacenter in atlanta? |
| [17:48:58] | Dagmar: | I have friends that used to work there |
| [17:49:06] | Dagmar: | Talk to one of the coowners all the tiem |
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| [17:49:19] | iamlindoro_: | heh, I was making things up, but I'm interested in what you mean :) |
| [17:49:27] | Dagmar: | Ooohh |
| [17:49:33] | abarber: | guys, i have large blocks of "unknown" programming in my EPG for a couple channels, but then they are followed by some programming....what could be causing this? |
| [17:49:40] | Dagmar: | I was promised to be introduced to Heather next time I'm in ATL |
| [17:49:56] | Dagmar: | Hehe |
| [17:50:41] | directhex: | abarber, EIT? |
| [17:50:51] | Dagmar: | If I gave any more details than that i'd have to check the ID of everyone in the channel |
| [17:51:21] | abarber: | SD |
| [17:51:47] | Dagmar: | No idea. Have you tried --refresh-all |
| [17:52:12] | Dagmar: | ...or check some other TMS site, like Zap2it |
| [17:52:30] | iamlindoro_: | abarber: IF the unknowns are between blocks of good programming, there's a better than fair chance that TMS just doesn't have listing info for those hours |
| [17:52:31] | Dagmar: | I have a lot of "unknowns" but all in the wee hours of the morning when I'm prety sure there's nothing but damn informercials on |
| [17:52:43] | abarber: | this is during prime time |
| [17:52:50] | abarber: | i missed 90210 because of it :-) |
| [17:52:52] | iamlindoro_: | doesn't necessarily matter |
| [17:53:00] | iamlindoro_: | is it between known listings? |
| [17:53:02] | Dagmar: | abarber: That's for the best |
| [17:53:07] | iamlindoro_: | ie some, then some unknown, then some more? |
| [17:53:11] | abarber: | exactly |
| [17:53:18] | iamlindoro_: | Then TMS has no listings for those times |
| [17:53:28] | abarber: | hm |
| [17:53:35] | Mousey: | hi |
| [17:53:45] | Dagmar: | Hence, if you check a TMS-fed site, like zap2it's listings, you should see the same thing |
| [17:53:46] | iamlindoro_: | So either your local peeps didn't want to cooperate with them, or there was some data entry screwup, or something |
| [17:53:51] | abarber: | i was pretty sure it was pulling from Dish's guide for my zip code |
| [17:53:54] | Mousey: | anybody have a recommendation for tuner cards for comcast digital cable (seattle)? |
| [17:53:56] | abarber: | and dish had listings |
| [17:54:07] | Dagmar: | Either way, the thing to do is check a TMS-fed site in case you haven't yet caught on |
| [17:54:30] | Dagmar: | Mousey: Pretty much none. |
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| [17:55:21] | Mousey: | Dagmar, what does that mean? it's impossible? i should just crawl under a rock and forget about it? |
| [17:57:52] | Dagmar: | Mousey: Pretty much. Your options are pretty much nil for reliably using a tuner card to pick up digital cable. |
| [17:57:59] | Dagmar: | You get to buy an HD-PVR. |
| [17:58:27] | Dagmar: | So... don't get snarky with me because it's Comcast's fault. |
| [17:58:52] | iamlindoro_: | Then again, in Seattle, there is a better than average chance that you can get your channels via firwire off their STB |
| [17:59:01] | Dagmar: | If you have a problem with it, call them up and bitch because they don't send out much of anything as in-the-clear QAM. |
| [17:59:18] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Better than average if you've been huffing paint |
| [17:59:30] | iamlindoro_: | As one of our Myth devs lives there and has the same experience I do with them, which is to say, all channels in perfect digital via firewire |
| [17:59:30] | Dagmar: | Seattle and the Bay Area seem to be the only places they're that nice |
| [17:59:36] | iamlindoro_: | Dagmar: He's in Seattle :) |
| [17:59:40] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [17:59:53] | iamlindoro_: | So no huffing required ;) |
| [17:59:54] | abarber: | so i just checked NBC...i have tonight show, but not conan...wtf??? |
| [18:00:01] | Dagmar: | I'm just waiting for them to realize they're doing it |
| [18:00:40] | Mousey: | iamlindoro, ah ha, so firewire you say |
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| [18:00:50] | iamlindoro_: | I heard recently (and not certain about the veracity of this) that our local firewirey goodness is a result of a lawsuit |
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| [18:01:34] | iamlindoro_: | Mousey: make no mistake, in general Dagmar is right, the only things you can tune digitally in most places will be the locals, but there are a VERY few of us who get tons via firewire, and Seattle seems to be a place where that happens.... but that is *no* promise and you won't know until you try |
| [18:02:08] | PatrickDK: | and no promise it won't suddenly change |
| [18:02:12] | Mousey: | well being broke after buying a house doesn't make me feel very adventurous |
| [18:02:17] | iamlindoro_: | Otherwise, you can get your local channels and network TV only via a QAM tuner usually, and you can string a STB into an analog card and get all your channels (in SD) just about anywhere |
| [18:02:27] | Mousey: | what about dish network? or whats the other one? |
| [18:02:51] | iamlindoro_: | and the shiny new option is a STB into a Hauppauge HD-PVR, which allows component HD and SD capture, but that is barely alpha right now and beter to wait on .22 if you |
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| [18:02:56] | iamlindoro_: | 're not a dev or advanced level myth user |
| [18:03:02] | iamlindoro_: | DirecTV? |
| [18:03:23] | iamlindoro_: | With either of those, your only option is an analog tuner (SD only) or waiting for proper HD-PVR support in linux/myth |
| [18:03:40] | abarber: | zap2it and dish guides both have shows that i am not getting...does that implicate my database or SD? |
| [18:03:59] | Mousey: | i'm pretty advanced, but i'm a conservative investor rt now |
| [18:04:04] | iamlindoro_: | abarber: zap2it and SD should be one and the same listingswise |
| [18:04:34] | abarber: | that's what i thought |
| [18:04:47] | iamlindoro_: | Mousey: By advanced I mean willing to build myth from source weekly, applying patches, and submitting backtraces whenever it crashes, and accepting limited and somewhat unimplemented functionality |
| [18:04:48] | abarber: | i'm going to go a couple days ahead to see if it's consistent |
| [18:05:01] | iamlindoro_: | Mousey: as well as getting into the source and fixing things yourself and sending in patches |
| [18:05:17] | Mousey: | ah, well i could do everything but patch it, methinks |
| [18:05:57] | iamlindoro_: | For all but about < 10 people that I can think of, it's probably best to wait for .22 |
| [18:06:04] | iamlindoro_: | Not that it's stopping some clueless jackholes |
| [18:06:33] | Mousey: | if your guy up here is sure about the firewire thing, it'd probably be worth it to try. especially if it meant my feedback might help speed things up |
| [18:07:04] | iamlindoro_: | firewire and HD-PVR are two entirely different things |
| [18:07:12] | iamlindoro_: | firewire doesn't need any feedback, it works fine now |
| [18:07:35] | iamlindoro_: | It just all depends on your local headend to be leaving the copy control flag off |
| [18:07:53] | iamlindoro_: | the HD-PVR is an entirely new, different piece of equipment whose support and driver are in its infancy |
| [18:08:05] | Mousey: | hauppage? |
| [18:08:19] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, the HD-PVR is made by Hauppauge |
| [18:08:20] | Mousey: | (sp?) |
| [18:08:30] | Mousey: | mmm, new hotness |
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| [18:08:57] | iamlindoro_: | New hotness with all the associated linux woes ATM |
| [18:09:07] | Mousey: | right, well i'm a patient penguin |
| [18:09:21] | Mousey: | so the firewire stuff is just all DVB madness then? |
| [18:09:23] | justinh: | mmm penguins. they taste lovely |
| [18:09:31] | ** Mousey has some RTFMing to do ** | |
| [18:09:40] | iamlindoro_: | Firewire and DVB have nothinnnngggg to do with one another |
| [18:09:44] | Mousey: | ok ok |
| [18:09:45] | iamlindoro_: | where are you getting this stuff? |
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| [18:09:59] | Mousey: | iamlindoro, i'm a font of non-sequitor |
| [18:10:05] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: not strictly true. they both delivery mpeg transport streams :P |
| [18:10:11] | Mousey: | ^_^ |
| [18:10:15] | justinh: | s/delivery/deliver |
| [18:11:01] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: ah, so by that token, the PVR-150 and DVB are one and the same, eh? (although I'm aware you're playing devil's advocate) |
| [18:11:01] | justinh: | out of curiosity, anybody here ever managed to get TV out worky on a laptop with intel graphics? |
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| [18:11:22] | justinh: | nah no devils advocacy – just being an arse |
| [18:11:31] | iamlindoro_: | Just so long as you admit it ;) |
| [18:11:55] | Mousey: | so i have to figure a bunch of stuff out it seems. how does the firewire device register itself/present itself to the os? /dev/tvftw? how do i get mythtv to utilize it? maybe it's already in there, maybe this is the daily build madness you mentioned.. this is all stuff i must rtfm |
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| [18:12:16] | justinh: | oh ffs, turning off the retarded desktop has buggered up alt-tab app switching |
| [18:12:16] | iamlindoro_: | I fully agree with the last clause in that sentence |
| [18:12:30] | iamlindoro_: | And there's even a helpful wiki |
| [18:12:34] | Mousey: | iamlindoro_, ^_^ |
| [18:12:35] | iamlindoro_: | wiki.mythtv.org |
| [18:12:40] | Mousey: | ty for your input |
| [18:12:55] | justinh: | I want to get irssi to start ignoring people who use that smiley |
| [18:13:00] | iamlindoro_: | FWIW you must search "Firewire" instead of "firewire" because mediawiki sucks |
| [18:14:03] | Mousey: | so you seems to indicate you might think i should invest in the development of getting comcast digital to work [in yummy seattle firewire goodness] as opposed to dish network or directtv or some such which is all analog all the time? |
| [18:14:33] | Mousey: | s/analog/SD/ |
| [18:14:47] | Mousey: | not that HD is a requirement for me |
| [18:14:54] | Mousey: | i'd prefer just to get it at all in SD |
| [18:14:56] | justinh: | firewire support has been in mythtv for quite some time. it's really only hd-pvr support you'd need the dev version for |
| [18:14:58] | iamlindoro_: | It is my personal opinion that it would be better to at least give it a shot when you have a chance of getting perfect digital streams before resorting to yucking analog cuh-rap |
| [18:15:10] | iamlindoro_: | er yucky |
| [18:15:33] | Mousey: | ah. ok. so last question.. do i need more than a firewire controller and a prayer? |
| [18:15:49] | justinh: | not really. other than a box with an enabled firewire output |
| [18:15:52] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: there are firewire dvb devices, just to confuse you |
| [18:15:57] | iamlindoro_: | a STB with firewire on it, but beyond that and the first two things (and a cable), no |
| [18:16:01] | Mousey: | (that's the prayer part) |
| [18:16:34] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: Wheeeeee! ;) |
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| [18:17:09] | Mousey: | crap, not the last question |
| [18:17:21] | Mousey: | what if i wanna record more than one channel at once? |
| [18:17:32] | iamlindoro_: | Then you'll need multiple STBs and firewire ports |
| [18:17:42] | Mousey: | crappy! |
| [18:17:45] | Mousey: | thanks tho |
| [18:17:55] | Mousey: | firewire STB ftl |
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| [18:17:58] | iamlindoro_: | it's well worth it if you get all your channels via firewire |
| [18:18:02] | justinh: | or a dual tuner STB with 2 firewire connections |
| [18:18:07] | justinh: | they exist, allegedly |
| [18:18:09] | Mousey: | or two STBs |
| [18:18:11] | Mousey: | ^_^ |
| [18:18:13] | Dagmar: | PRAY that firewire works |
| [18:18:19] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: They do, but not from comcast |
| [18:18:20] | Dagmar: | ...otehrwise you're looking at the HD-PVR again. |
| [18:18:24] | Dagmar: | Firewire cards are $20. |
| [18:18:26] | Mousey: | Dagmar, that's really my biggest concern |
| [18:18:30] | Dagmar: | HD-PVR, $250 |
| [18:18:41] | Mousey: | i have two PVR-350s |
| [18:18:49] | iamlindoro_: | Mousey: if you want all your channels, no matter WHAT you do, you will need a STB for each simultaneous recording |
| [18:18:51] | justinh: | double the lameness :) |
| [18:18:58] | iamlindoro_: | that's hardly a limitation of firewire alone |
| [18:19:16] | Mousey: | justinh, =P.. worked great in santa barbara on my analog SD Cox |
| [18:19:19] | janneg: | iamlindoro_: even with experimental linux drivers |
| [18:19:33] | Dagmar: | I've no idea why someone would buy two 350's. |
| [18:19:39] | justinh: | Mousey: yeah well pvr350 support aint what it used to be |
| [18:19:40] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: The only one that I know of is the FireDTV, are there others? |
| [18:19:43] | Mousey: | for great justice! |
| [18:19:52] | Dagmar: | justinh: I think it's more a matter of it _is_ what it used to be |
| [18:20:00] | Dagmar: | Everything else has just got more useful features |
| [18:20:06] | iamlindoro_: | Mousey: if all you care about is your first 80 or so channels, have at it... but if you care about *all* of them, you will need STBs |
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| [18:20:10] | iamlindoro_: | end of line |
| [18:20:22] | Mousey: | thanks for your advice y'all |
| [18:20:29] | ** Mousey switches to lurk-mode ** | |
| [18:20:33] | janneg: | I think there is one other, might be a clone |
| [18:20:34] | iamlindoro_: | "Now I have something to wipe my ass with" |
| [18:22:26] | justinh: | doo de dooo.... time to do some more hackery |
| [18:23:57] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/pro . . . uct1.en.html |
| [18:24:15] | iamlindoro_: | janneg: looks like that's the other-- seems it might be a clone indeed (Elgato rebrands all their devices AFAIK) |
| [18:24:34] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [ot] UGH! It's so flustrating when the IT/Firewall guy knows less about networking than my boss... Can't get a simple connection working... ID10T.... |
| [18:25:00] | justinh: | eew. can't build de pluginz |
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| [18:27:27] | janneg: | gah, load 24 on this hsot |
| [18:28:41] | PatrickDK: | I hate people that talk about load |
| [18:28:49] | PatrickDK: | load means nothing these days |
| [18:29:03] | Dagmar: | Wrong. |
| [18:29:18] | Dagmar: | A load of 81 on a machine running SiteMason means you were stupid enough to install SiteMason. |
| [18:29:25] | PatrickDK: | heh :) |
| [18:29:26] | Dagmar: | *snork* |
| [18:29:38] | PatrickDK: | well, load of 4xcpu is what I consider getting high |
| [18:29:49] | PatrickDK: | I normally run around load of 10, with 8cores |
| [18:30:48] | kormoc: | load is meaningless |
| [18:31:06] | iamlindoro_: | $OffColorJoke |
| [18:31:23] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, what is stopping you? |
| [18:31:23] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: load is not meaningless |
| [18:31:29] | kormoc: | Sure it is |
| [18:31:31] | PatrickDK: | don't have the correct colors in ANSI? |
| [18:31:52] | wagnerrp: | load is more important than % usage on file servers |
| [18:31:59] | justinh: | load sounds like $deity. some people still believe :) |
| [18:32:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, only if you assume that all those processes are hitting the file server, which isn't always true |
| [18:32:20] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: 8===> -------... B-O ? |
| [18:32:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, and besides, % IO wait is very meaningful and a better indication then load would be |
| [18:32:47] | wagnerrp: | take NFS for example, youll never have much in the way of CPU usage, but you could have high load because all the available daemons are in use |
| [18:33:01] | PatrickDK: | hmm, I have high cpu usage with nfs |
| [18:33:05] | wagnerrp: | but yes, %IO is more meaningful that both of them |
| [18:33:06] | Mousey: | or I/O contention |
| [18:33:09] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, I have high IO wait with my nfs |
| [18:33:11] | PatrickDK: | I also have high wait io |
| [18:33:18] | Mousey: | that increases load |
| [18:33:20] | PatrickDK: | and by cpu usage I mean cpu usage, not waitio |
| [18:33:35] | Mousey: | load != cpu usage |
| [18:33:37] | wagnerrp: | PatrickDK: are you running software RAID or something? |
| [18:33:49] | PatrickDK: | nope, just a single sata drive |
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| [18:34:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, software raid doesn't show up as IO wait, it shows up as system time |
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| [18:34:19] | PatrickDK: | it collects access logs from several places and parses them, it's only purpose in life |
| [18:34:27] | PatrickDK: | but we use nfs to access the logs |
| [18:34:44] | Dagmar: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png |
| [18:34:45] | wagnerrp: | right, but NFS should not cause high CPU load, while software raid5 would |
| [18:34:50] | Dagmar: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/before_qt.png |
| [18:34:56] | Dagmar: | erk |
| [18:35:40] | laga: | "do it right, ask a girl |
| [18:35:40] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, NFS has a fair bit of cpu usage when you toss a few hundred short lived requests at it per second |
| [18:35:42] | laga: | ? |
| [18:36:13] | PatrickDK: | my netapp is running out of cpu, and it only does nfs |
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| [18:36:33] | PatrickDK: | it has dual 266mhz cpu's |
| [18:36:41] | justinh: | grrr all I wanna do is play with mythuibuttonlist.cpp |
| [18:36:49] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: just from experience with the machines at work, we run out of disk IO on NFS long before CPU capacity |
| [18:37:11] | wagnerrp: | of course thats on a pair of dual-core xeons, far more capable of dual 266s |
| [18:37:16] | PatrickDK: | wagnerrp, maybe cause my stuff is cached in ram well? |
| [18:37:28] | iamlindoro_: | laga: It's a how-to site w/ videos of girls in lingerie teaching you to do things-- win! |
| [18:37:34] | PatrickDK: | well, my single sata nfs server is dual 2.4ghz |
| [18:37:36] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, depends on the nature of requests. If you have most of the requests in the file system cache, you can hammer out a ton of requests per second, but then you get into NFS locks and spinlocks and all that jazz, and that eats up the cpu |
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| [18:37:55] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [18:38:00] | ** iamlindoro_ is particularly fond of the girl in the "How to Bake Cookies" video ** | |
| [18:38:12] | Dagmar: | No one gives a damn about the UI, they just want to know what the hot chix are about |
| [18:38:18] | justinh: | mmm cookie dough dynamo :) |
| [18:40:15] | Dagmar: | I'm going to have to add those into the same folder I keep all my Ministry of Sound videos |
| [18:40:50] | justinh: | you've gone down in my estimation Dagmar. I know it's probably not about the music but even so... ;) |
| [18:40:52] | abarber: | lol, i just opened this to say "thanks for the cookies video" |
| [18:41:36] | kormoc: | Dagmar, they're just wondering where you found a girl to ask |
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| [18:42:28] | dustybin: | what kind of computers are you guys on now? laptops or desktops? |
| [18:42:38] | laga: | laptops |
| [18:42:46] | laga: | well, one laptop to be exact. |
| [18:42:46] | kormoc: | desktop |
| [18:42:47] | wagnerrp: | both |
| [18:42:50] | ** dustybin imagines justinh to be on win xp laptop ** | |
| [18:42:58] | justinh: | what kind of crappy hardware are you going to buy today, dustybin ? |
| [18:43:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: The backup/restore scripts are in trunk, now. See http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore for info on getting/using them. There's a bug that only affects you if you do a restore without specifying the backup file. Patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5649 . |
| [18:43:21] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: ah, sweet, thanks |
| [18:43:25] | dustybin: | well, im going to bid on a Windows MCE remote + USB IRC receiver |
| [18:43:39] | iamlindoro_: | Holy Shit dustybin is buying something that isn't total crap for once |
| [18:43:42] | justinh: | IRC receiver? |
| [18:43:45] | dustybin: | meant to be good remotes, ill scrape off any microsoft signs |
| [18:43:55] | dustybin: | USB > INFRA RED |
| [18:43:56] | dustybin: | i mean |
| [18:43:59] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: maybe, but hes bidding on it, rather than just buying a new one |
| [18:44:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Or, get the already patched scripts from: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythconverg_backup.pl and http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythconverg_restore.pl (really the restore script is the only one with different functionality, but the backup has fixed documentation). |
| [18:44:07] | justinh: | dustybin: like you removed the 66 tatoo under your hairline? |
| [18:44:08] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: oooh, good point |
| [18:44:13] | dustybin: | :P |
| [18:44:34] | justinh: | dustybin: FYI, this laptop dual boots. xp for djing, linux for dev stuff |
| [18:44:36] | dustybin: | all what is required after that is a jaton PCI low width gfx card, frontend done |
| [18:44:49] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [18:44:58] | iamlindoro_: | oh, and don't forget a new frontend to plug those things in to |
| [18:45:05] | dustybin: | ok get this |
| [18:45:16] | wagnerrp: | you dont want PCI graphics |
| [18:45:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Oh, and BTW, I appreciate any and all feedback/comments/suggestions. Thanks. |
| [18:45:41] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: Sure, when I go through with it I'll let you know-- likely this weekend (although there's not much on TV tonight, I guess |
| [18:46:13] | dustybin: | in my house we have 2 exact same TVs, the one down stairs is connected to a Sony Digital TV reciever box at the moment, and the one in my bedroom i connected to my frontend/backend combo, the picture quality of the one in my bedroom looks nicer than the one connected to the sony box |
| [18:46:41] | dustybin: | how can that possibly be if they are both digital |
| [18:47:01] | justinh: | because the words 'digital' and 'quality' are not synonymous |
| [18:47:01] | sphery: | Yeah. I'll probably be moving my antenna "tonight" (starting 4:00am when the attic is cooler)... Guy who installed a skylight didn't angle the tube like I asked, so there's now a giant metal tube going through my antenna and killing my reception. |
| [18:47:10] | wagnerrp: | the TVs are both digital? |
| [18:47:15] | iamlindoro_: | because of differing *output* hardware |
| [18:47:15] | dustybin: | nope CRT |
| [18:47:30] | dustybin: | my mythtv one looks a lot nicer |
| [18:47:35] | justinh: | because both digital boxes are different degrees of rubbish :) |
| [18:47:36] | wagnerrp: | so you have analog outputs on two different boxes |
| [18:47:41] | iamlindoro_: | Your GPU is probably better than your crazy crap Sony srapotron |
| [18:47:53] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: they are both using RGB scart |
| [18:47:55] | iamlindoro_: | crapotron |
| [18:47:56] | justinh: | they only ever use cheap opamps :) |
| [18:48:16] | justinh: | besides, one is RGB, the other I suspect is only compo |
| [18:48:19] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I would have their asses back out to the house for *sure* |
| [18:48:33] | dustybin: | justinh: the menu on my sony box says its using rgb |
| [18:48:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: BTW, does your saying, "When you come back to the screen," mean that you figured out my "afs" away message meant, "away from screen?" |
| [18:48:52] | justinh: | anyway, I forgot to say I don't care |
| [18:49:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: the problem is that moving the hole in my roof is more challenging (and less forgiving) than just moving the antenna. :) |
| [18:49:19] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: While I would love to make myself seem smarter and say so, I will instead admit that it was a lucky choice of words :) |
| [18:49:35] | sphery: | and, like you said, not much on, yet, so even if I don't finish in one day, it's not the end of the world. |
| [18:50:02] | dustybin: | another thing i achieved today, at work i mounted my /home folder at work using sshfs |
| [18:50:09] | dustybin: | on os x |
| [18:50:19] | iamlindoro_: | That redundant sentence was redundant |
| [18:50:20] | dustybin: | very handy indeed |
| [18:50:29] | sphery: | just curious. I felt is was more appropriate than afk since I'm often at the keyboard, but looking at a different desktop or without my irssi in screen window displayed... |
| [18:51:01] | sphery: | wow. I'd never heard of sshfs. |
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| [18:51:26] | dustybin: | sphery: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html |
| [18:51:39] | sphery: | yeah, reading about it, now |
| [18:51:44] | dustybin: | the _ONLY_ secure way to mount partitions |
| [18:51:48] | dustybin: | over the internet |
| [18:51:58] | justinh: | I use OFFS |
| [18:51:59] | sphery: | comparing to nfs4 w/ kerberos |
| [18:52:00] | iamlindoro_: | That you know of |
| [18:52:12] | wagnerrp: | or nfs + openvpn? |
| [18:52:14] | sphery: | though the nfs4 w/ kerberos wouldn't be ideal over the Internet |
| [18:52:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, nfs doesnt much like latency |
| [18:52:34] | dustybin: | maybe you can do it other ways |
| [18:52:38] | dustybin: | but this is SO SIMPLE |
| [18:52:47] | dustybin: | and its pretty dam fast |
| [18:52:52] | iamlindoro_: | oh dustybin, you've *never* been one for the simple solution |
| [18:53:01] | ** dustybin is mentally challenged ** | |
| [18:53:18] | iamlindoro_: | Where "simple" can == "pretty," "elegant," "attractive," or "working." |
| [18:53:20] | sphery: | stupid google depluralizes "offs" to show me every page with "off" in it |
| [18:53:31] | sphery: | I'm guessing it's http://offsystem.sourceforge.net/ |
| [18:53:32] | iamlindoro_: | Oh For Fuck's Sake |
| [18:53:42] | dustybin: | :o |
| [18:53:47] | justinh: | OFFS :) |
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| [18:55:08] | sphery: | I'm thinking it'ss not The OFF System, now, as discussion of that would probably violate channel rules. |
| [18:55:55] | iamlindoro_: | I'm pretty sure I nailed it |
| [18:56:23] | sphery: | quite likely |
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| [18:58:09] | Dagmar: | That system will fail |
| [18:58:13] | Dagmar: | It has design flaws. |
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| [19:02:43] | haunted: | hi everybody |
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| [19:03:07] | haunted: | I'd like to watch tv on my computer using mythtv |
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| [19:04:09] | haunted: | my problem is I owe a Pinnacle PCTV DVB-T Pro PCi |
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| [19:04:53] | haunted: | and 1. I don't know how to install propetary drivers on ubuntu 2. I don't know if mythtv support this device |
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| [19:05:14] | haunted: | can anyone please help me? |
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| [19:05:23] | iamlindoro_: | Why would a Pinnacle DVB device need proprietary drivers? |
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| [19:05:42] | haunted: | well it doesn't work on ubuntu |
| [19:05:52] | haunted: | on my system at least |
| [19:05:56] | iamlindoro_: | If it works with v4l-dvb drivers (see the DVB wiki at www.linuxtv.org) it will work with myth/linux |
| [19:05:59] | haunted: | I think it is not recognized |
| [19:06:03] | laga: | where would you get these proprietary drivers? |
| [19:06:08] | iamlindoro_: | Sooooooooooooo maybe it just doesn't have linux drivers? |
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| [19:06:47] | haunted: | uhm... pinnacle site? O_o! I'm a kinda newbie... so... :P be patient! |
| [19:07:01] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pinnacl . . . _%283010i%29 |
| [19:07:08] | iamlindoro_: | "It is currently not supported under Linux." |
| [19:07:28] | iamlindoro_: | you don't get linux drivers from manufacturer's sites (at least, *usually* not) :) |
| [19:07:36] | haunted: | ok, fine... so that's hopeless! |
| [19:07:38] | haunted: | :D |
| [19:07:45] | iamlindoro_: | Not hopeless, just not currently possible |
| [19:08:15] | haunted: | :P |
| [19:08:21] | iamlindoro_: | There are many, many, many |
| [19:08:25] | iamlindoro_: | many, many, many |
| [19:08:32] | iamlindoro_: | MANY working DVB-T devices in linux |
| [19:08:46] | iamlindoro_: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_Devices |
| [19:08:50] | iamlindoro_: | Get one that works. |
| [19:10:33] | iamlindoro_: | Ubuntu will also usually work with the well-understood ones right out of the box |
| [19:10:39] | directhex: | has anyone checked in with our old pals compro? |
| [19:10:45] | justinh: | heh. the baying for mythui has begun already |
| [19:11:07] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Even when it's available to them, it will become, "Ummm, great! Now somebody write me a flashy theme!" |
| [19:11:08] | haunted: | ok, thank you iamlindoro! :D |
| [19:11:30] | iamlindoro_: | haunted: you are welcome |
| [19:11:41] | Dagmar: | Well, it *would* be nice to be able to put together a theme without knowing it's about to have to be redone because of porting to mythui |
| [19:11:46] | wagnerrp: | i want purty wasteful animations! go to it! |
| [19:11:46] | Dagmar: | *kofkof* |
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| [19:12:05] | justinh: | Dagmar: my advice would be to start now :) |
| [19:12:23] | ** iamlindoro_ has! ** | |
| [19:12:28] | justinh: | menu-ui.xml isn't yet active AFAIK but I doc'd it at the wiki |
| [19:12:37] | ** Dagmar faints ** | |
| [19:12:50] | Dagmar: | Wait, you documented something that's not even active yet? |
| [19:12:54] | justinh: | the plan is to doc as much as possible ASAP |
| [19:13:15] | justinh: | partly to remind me wtf is going on in the new files ;) |
| [19:13:49] | sphery: | justinh / jblack : The site I was thinking of (in our Aug 29 conversation) that's attempting to recreate imdb's data but make it more open is omdb . Got mentioned again in #mythtv. Now that I've been reminded, I'll sleep better tonight. :) |
| [19:14:25] | justinh: | aha! so obvious now :) |
| [19:14:50] | haunted: | bye people! |
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| [19:16:51] | justinh: | woo nice ethos |
| [19:16:56] | iamlindoro_: | That omdb is really not half bad |
| [19:17:09] | iamlindoro_: | Some of that metainfo could be really neat in MythVideo |
| [19:17:11] | justinh: | user-generated content needn't suck :) |
| [19:17:21] | justinh: | and could actually be of real _use_ !! |
| [19:18:30] | directhex: | does omdb include porn, though? serious gap in mythvideo metadata functionality :| |
| [19:18:35] | directhex: | (oh, and tv shows) |
| [19:18:43] | sphery: | Yeah, Anduin/gbee even mentioned adding metadata upload support to MythTV... |
| [19:18:49] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:18:53] | wagnerrp: | so in omdb, the list of people was started by going through the cast of one of the star wars movies? |
| [19:18:55] | iamlindoro_: | *that* would be quite cool |
| [19:19:48] | wagnerrp: | the first four people in the database are lucas, hamill, ford, and fisher |
| [19:20:20] | sphery: | Big problem with metadata upload support in MythVideo is informing users that recording a movie on TV, then moving it to MythVideo, then uploading the TMS-copyrighted description (or whatever description came with the user's grabber) would not be A Good Thing. |
| [19:21:02] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: A dialogbox on all submissions forcing the user to certify that they are the author of the info might be enough to avoid liability |
| [19:21:15] | sphery: | that sounds like it would work. |
| [19:21:16] | gbee: | I see omdb more like freedb (cddb) than an open clone of imdb, if you look at it in those terms it's pretty cool and as justinh said, user submitted content needn't suck |
| [19:21:19] | justinh: | only possible problem I can see, and it's not clear how they'd address it – is people editing movie details to say "sux" |
| [19:21:42] | sphery: | I can think of a lot of movies where it would apply, though. :) |
| [19:21:52] | iamlindoro_: | probably the wiki model, so you would occasionally find out that Snow White and the seven dwarves is about sodomy |
| [19:21:58] | directhex: | or just flag the data source, and don't allow upload from movies that are flagged |
| [19:22:03] | gbee: | justinh: well it uses registered accounts, vandals would be banned I guess, but that sort of thing doesn't happen too often in things like freedb |
| [19:22:11] | justinh: | me too but I want _fact_ not opinion :) |
| [19:22:36] | directhex: | justinh, fact: snow white is about sodomy! 8D |
| [19:22:45] | wagnerrp: | 'oh, im sorry, i thought i was editing the description for "snow whore and the seven dwarves" |
| [19:22:47] | sphery: | gbee: That seems to be true... I wonder why wikipedia gets so much more vandalism. |
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| [19:23:38] | wagnerrp: | ...now i have to see if such a porn actually exists |
| [19:23:55] | sphery: | might be the one you haven't seen, yet |
| [19:24:00] | gbee: | sphery: wikipedia is as much about opinion as facts and people tend to get upset and vandalise etc when opinion is involved – at least that's my guess |
| [19:24:03] | wagnerrp: | ah, no, its |
| [19:24:09] | wagnerrp: | 'snow white and the seven whores' |
| [19:24:11] | wagnerrp: | i was close |
| [19:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | OT: Can anyone recommend a good Firewall appliance with a good, simple client which will also support SOHO endpoints? This Sonicwall is giving me fits and we may need to buy into beter hardware |
| [19:24:20] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: It's a torrid tale about a young but naive virgin maiden's search for affection, and how she fell into the sordid lifestyle of seven bachelor midgets, and lived with them for months. |
| [19:24:22] | sphery: | I definitely agree about the opinion part of wikipedia |
| [19:24:23] | Dagmar: | What's not to like? |
| [19:24:25] | stevieman: | hmmm jumping into the middle of a conversation and seeing wagnerrp's line sends the imagination running :) |
| [19:24:33] | ** gbee notices justinh got to the fact vs opinion point before him ** | |
| [19:24:58] | wagnerrp: | stevieman: thats why you should just avoid IRC if possible... :P |
| [19:25:00] | iamlindoro_: | (Preferably without paying the Cisco tax) |
| [19:25:28] | stevieman: | wagnerrp: Well thats no fun :) |
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| [19:27:02] | sphery: | Yeah, I think if I found errors or omissions in data at omdb, I would actually correct it. I /won't/ at tv.com, and I'd have to read some T&C's at imdb before deciding to do so there. |
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| [19:27:22] | stevieman: | iamlindoro: I did some checking on what myth I had installed a year or so ago and here is what I got. Source code version : 14695M, SVN branch : trunk, Library API version : 0.21.20070910–2, Network Protocol Version: 36 |
| [19:27:23] | ** sphery finds all sorts of errors at tv.com and doesn't correct them ** | |
| [19:27:28] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: more or less at IMDB, once you write it, it's theirs to own and sell |
| [19:27:44] | sphery: | then they can sell errors. :) |
| [19:27:51] | iamlindoro_: | stevieman: like I said before, you can safely upgrade that to .21-fixes |
| [19:28:01] | wagnerrp: | tvtome used to be great, but tv.com bought it, added shittons of graphics, and bogged the whole thing down |
| [19:28:45] | sphery: | and isn't tv.com now owned by CBS or CNet or some commercial company that's trying to figure out how to quit losing money? |
| [19:28:59] | sphery: | CNet |
| [19:29:37] | sphery: | Oh, CNET bought tvtome and relaunched it as tv.com... |
| [19:30:20] | directhex: | who buys imdb data? |
| [19:30:24] | ** sphery wonders what ever happened to his CNET stock whose value was less than the discount brokerage fee required to sell it... ** | |
| [19:30:47] | sphery: | I'm sure it's only people in Hollywood. |
| [19:31:08] | stevieman: | where do I grab the .21-fixes from. I've found the wiki entry and the download section seems to only have the full myth download |
| [19:31:31] | sphery: | stevieman: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ see the part about, "Stable: If you'd like to get the 0.21 stable branch, do this: " |
| [19:31:55] | sphery: | though, really, packages are a better option if they're available for your distro |
| [19:32:23] | stevieman: | sphery: I'd have to uninstall what I have already |
| [19:33:00] | dustybin: | justinh: ive used mythtv to find my channel icons, it found most of them but there are still quite a few missing |
| [19:33:08] | directhex: | bbc? |
| [19:33:13] | dustybin: | hold on |
| [19:33:28] | dustybin: | ITV1 is missing |
| [19:33:35] | dustybin: | UKTV history |
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| [19:33:43] | dustybin: | BBC news |
| [19:34:02] | dustybin: | plus a load of radio stations |
| [19:34:12] | dustybin: | anybody remember the place it grabs the icons |
| [19:34:19] | directhex: | lyngsat-logo.com? |
| [19:34:29] | dustybin: | yep thats the one |
| [19:34:32] | dustybin: | ill check |
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| [19:35:28] | dustybin: | strange |
| [19:35:30] | dustybin: | BBC news is there |
| [19:35:35] | dustybin: | but it didnt pick it up |
| [19:35:49] | directhex: | the icon downloader chokes on differing spacing |
| [19:35:56] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [19:36:02] | directhex: | or mild name differences (e.g. bbc news != bbc news 24) |
| [19:36:02] | dustybin: | maybe some regex would resolve that |
| [19:36:49] | dustybin: | should i just download the missing ones manually and specify the location using mythweb channel editor? |
| [19:37:02] | stevieman: | Can I use a package to update a source install of Myth? |
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| [19:38:01] | dustybin: | OR should i use XMLTV to grab my icons |
| [19:38:15] | dustybin: | but then somehow just cancel XMLTV listings and use EIT |
| [19:38:36] | dustybin: | stevieman: what source |
| [19:38:47] | dustybin: | source = compile |
| [19:38:53] | dustybin: | package = compiled = binary |
| [19:39:17] | wagnerrp: | my packages are uncompiled source |
| [19:39:25] | sphery: | gbee: You're far too modest: "Isaac's hard work over three years" |
| [19:39:35] | wagnerrp: | is the package newer than the source? |
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| [19:40:35] | iamlindoro_: | As long as the prefixes are the same on the package and the source install, you can steamroll one over the other. The only really important thing is to back up your DB not mater *how* you do it |
| [19:40:36] | wagnerrp: | did you grab the source off svn? did you grab it off the website in the official release? what package do you want to use to update it? |
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| [19:41:24] | gbee: | sphery: well he laid the groundwork, mythui is beautiful and that's got more to do with his initial work than anything I've done since |
| [19:41:30] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro_: assuming the package is older than the source, you can cause some problems |
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| [19:43:00] | gbee: | actually the icon downloader doesn't choke on those things, assuming that someone has submitted icons beforehand it matches independantly on three different things – xmltvid, DVB service/network ids and callsign |
| [19:46:09] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp: His source is pre-.21 release |
| [19:50:50] | sphery: | gbee: I agree Isaac should get a lot of credit. I was referring to the lack of any mention of all your contributions... Still, though, some of us recognize and (very much) appreciate your efforts. So, thanks. |
| [19:56:03] | dustybin: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 4421 2004-08–24 23:00 uktv_history.jpg |
| [19:56:17] | dustybin: | that exists in the channels dir but it doesnt appear |
| [19:56:31] | dustybin: | and that was auto grabbed using mythtv-setup |
| [19:57:10] | dustybin: | -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 21200 2006-02–03 23:00 bbc_news_24.jpg |
| [19:57:16] | dustybin: | again but not showing the icon |
| [19:58:01] | dustybin: | it looks like mythtv grabs the correct icons but for some reason a few of them dont appear |
| [19:58:24] | dustybin: | is there a way to link the channels/* icons to the channels |
| [19:58:47] | dustybin: | "To add them to a channel you will need to run mythtv-setup and go to the channel editor and specify the icon file name for each channel." |
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| [20:13:33] | dustybin: | all i did was 'rescan missing channel icons' and this time it found everything !!!!! |
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| [20:31:59] | iamlindoro_: | Wheeeee, I just bought $10k worth of servers |
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| [20:32:13] | iamlindoro_: | A scary feeling even with someone else's money |
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| [20:39:17] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | iamlindoro_: So, how many HD-PVRs did you slip in that invoice? ;-) |
| [20:48:44] | ** dustybin looks forward to a linux'y xmas ** | |
| [20:49:34] | dustybin: | nothing like a cold snowy, dark evening, at home in a nice cosy room linux'ing |
| [20:49:49] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: None, boo hoo |
| [20:49:51] | dustybin: | sipp'in whisky |
| [20:50:02] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: I have too much new hardware to get into the Myth box as it is |
| [20:50:12] | iamlindoro_: | J-e-f-f-A|work: sitting on my desk instead of hidden in the closet w/ the box |
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| [20:51:38] | abarber: | i set a recording last night of a show this morning, and it recorded the wrong channel |
| [20:52:30] | abarber: | i think it was the channel i was on last watching |
| [20:54:08] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | abarber: Do you have an IR blaster setup? (if it's an external Set-top-box)??? |
| [20:54:16] | abarber: | yeah |
| [20:54:21] | abarber: | i think it might be a dish issue |
| [20:54:29] | abarber: | they do some reset at 3 am |
| [20:54:37] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | abarber: And do you have your channel-change script setup right? |
| [20:54:46] | abarber: | yeah, it works beautifully |
| [20:55:06] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | So watching "Live TV" and switching channels on Myth works fine? |
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| [20:55:49] | abarber: | yep |
| [20:56:21] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | Ok, I don't see any reason for the channel-change to not have worked then... |
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| [20:56:31] | abarber: | i think i found it |
| [20:56:46] | abarber: | some people add a "select" to the beginning of their channel change script |
| [20:58:45] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | abarber: Well, if LiveTV works fine, then there's no reason for a normal channel change to not work. |
| [20:59:00] | abarber: | i didn't explain the problem well |
| [20:59:10] | abarber: | dish does updates every night |
| [20:59:19] | abarber: | so they like power down |
| [20:59:37] | abarber: | and then afterwards, you have to press select to continue |
| [20:59:55] | abarber: | i think this is causing my problem |
| [21:04:25] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | abarber: Humm... My old 3800 and 3900 receivers don't do that... |
| [21:04:37] | abarber: | it's a new 322 thing |
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| [21:04:53] | abarber: | 3800/3900>>>>322 |
| [21:05:22] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | abarber: My DishPlayer 7200 receiver would be 'reset' at 3am for the guide download – I had setup a cron job to run at 3:30am to cancel the 'screensaver' mode and tune a channel. |
| [21:05:39] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | ... Because it would go to the 'home' screen by default after the 3am download. |
| [21:06:53] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | [OT] Yahoo! The ID10Ts in ISD finally got their act together, my link is now working properly... It only took the guy 4 days to get the firewall rules and routes right... for a simple HTTPS connection... ugh... |
| [21:07:00] | abarber: | which would be better: a cron job or adding "select" to the channel change script? |
| [21:07:32] | J-e-f-f-A|work: | abarber: If the 'select' button press doesn't effect the channel change script adversely, put it directly in there. (test with LiveTV) |
| [21:08:30] | abarber: | okay |
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| [21:12:18] | abarber: | J-e-f-f-A|work: can you paste bin your channel change script? |
| [21:12:23] | abarber: | i'm looking mine over |
| [21:12:30] | abarber: | and lots of stuff is commented out |
| [21:17:12] | abarber: | well, that messed something up...now i can't select "watch tv" |
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| [21:36:19] | dustybin: | if web applications are the way forward, will there one day be a web version of photoshop? |
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| [21:40:11] | abarber: | seems impossible |
| [21:40:24] | abarber: | because of how demanding they are |
| [21:40:28] | abarber: | cpu-wise |
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| [21:43:08] | directhex: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg |
| [21:43:22] | directhex: | dustybin, you want one today? |
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| [21:43:43] | directhex: | https://www.photoshop.com/express/landing.html |
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| [21:56:48] | ** xand puts mythtv over his knee and spanks it >.< ** | |
| [21:57:02] | xand: | program started at 8pm, duration 1 hour, it's "Still Recording" and file size is 0 >.< |
| [21:57:28] | Striker: | maybe it's buffering :P |
| [21:57:45] | ** xand is annoyed ** | |
| [21:58:04] | xand: | I expect the log file will be as useless as usual at saying what went wrong |
| [21:59:03] | xand: | yep, no errors |
| [21:59:29] | xand: | sigh |
| [21:59:46] | iamlindoro_: | xand: Digital tuner or firewire? |
| [21:59:51] | xand: | dvb |
| [22:00:07] | iamlindoro_: | if firewire, the box is either not primed or 5C, if it's a digital tuner, odds are the channels got moved around |
| [22:05:32] | Dagmar: | Prime it with a spoonful of gas. |
| [22:05:35] | Dagmar: | It might work. |
| [22:07:26] | xand: | it's not that; I've just checked using mythfrontend and the channel is fine |
| [22:07:36] | xand: | hm |
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| [22:11:09] | xand: | could it be multirec.... trying to record both programs using the same tuner even though they're on different muxes? |
| [22:13:52] | iamlindoro_: | Nope, multirec couldn't/wouldn't ever do that |
| [22:15:24] | xand: | well |
| [22:15:40] | xand: | if I run two mythfrontends, it'll only let me watch things on the same mux |
| [22:15:43] | xand: | but I have two tuners |
| [22:15:53] | xand: | so it's doing something wrong :| |
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| [22:18:57] | xand: | :S |
| [22:21:59] | iamlindoro_: | Actually, you're doing something wrong, there's a checkbox you've missed in TV Settings :) |
| [22:22:35] | xand: | what? |
| [22:22:43] | iamlindoro_: | I'm at work, you figure it out |
| [22:23:49] | iamlindoro_: | But you need to check one or both of the boxes pertaining to making liveTV avoid conflicts/etc. |
| [22:24:32] | justinh: | damn. that patch is now out of date :( |
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| [22:34:12] | cconstantine: | I'm looking into the cheapest possible mythtv frontend (backend box can't be hooked up to the tv). is an xbox a good choice? |
| [22:35:22] | justinh: | no, it's not |
| [22:35:32] | justinh: | it's certainly cheap though |
| [22:35:48] | justinh: | but then, cheap is rarely ever good |
| [22:36:43] | justinh: | xbox is dog slow running linux (only 32MB RAM usable, see) . it's not unusable but a cheap 2nd hand PC would be better |
| [22:39:03] | cconstantine: | thanks |
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| [22:39:48] | plb_: | I'm having trouble configuring the screen..the picture on the sides I've got overscan and I can't seem to make it go away |
| [22:40:15] | plb_: | I try to adjust the horizontal but it doesn't look like it's doing anything |
| [22:40:25] | justinh: | with what? |
| [22:40:41] | plb_: | what do you mean? |
| [22:40:47] | justinh: | the screen setup wizard will only adjust mythfrontend |
| [22:40:56] | plb_: | no no the tv settings |
| [22:40:58] | plb_: | playback |
| [22:41:01] | xand: | hmm |
| [22:41:15] | xand: | can't convince mythtv to use one of my tuners :( |
| [22:41:33] | directhex: | maybe it was bad and must be punished |
| [22:41:45] | xand: | 2008-09–03 23:40:50.431 TVRec(5) Error: Failed to set channel to 2. Reverting to kState_None |
| [22:41:46] | justinh: | plb_: well, there are several ways you can deal with overscan |
| [22:41:48] | xand: | 2008-09–03 23:40:50.496 Canceled recording (Recorder Failed): The Supersizers Go... Regency: channel 2002 on cardid 5, sourceid 2 |
| [22:42:09] | plb_: | justinh, I'm all ears ;] |
| [22:42:17] | justinh: | plb_: if you use a TV output (composite or svideo) there are utilities to adjust overscan (nvidia-settings for nvidia peeps) |
| [22:42:34] | justinh: | thing is even with those it's sometimes impossible to make the desktop edges fit the screen perfectly |
| [22:42:39] | plb_: | It's actually running on my laptop |
| [22:42:40] | xand: | I bet it's the crap nova-t-500 card dying even more |
| [22:43:10] | justinh: | plb_: tried the 'use gui size for tv playback' setting in the appearance menu? |
| [22:43:19] | plb_: | yes |
| [22:43:32] | justinh: | or do you mean you're seeing black or coloured borders at the sides? |
| [22:43:54] | plb_: | well yeah I guess it is black colored borders |
| [22:44:39] | justinh: | so what you mean is, your display isn't overscanning but you'd like it to act that way ;) |
| [22:44:59] | plb_: | er ya I guess heh..I just want the picture to go all the way to the edge |
| [22:45:04] | justinh: | maybe you can't easily make that happen without zooming in |
| [22:45:23] | justinh: | you're seeing it because not all the video signal contains picture info :) |
| [22:45:38] | justinh: | not even digital TV is completely active |
| [22:45:42] | plb_: | hm lemme see |
| [22:46:32] | cconstantine: | justinh: what about using the xbmc as the frontend? |
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| [22:47:08] | justinh: | cconstantine: it's an option, if you can live without livetv or the programme guide – or indeed being able to set up recordings from there |
| [22:47:31] | plb_: | thanks justinh zoom worked |
| [22:47:36] | justinh: | for playing back recordings it's ok. I used to do that |
| [22:48:28] | justinh: | ahh those were the days, when all I had was a backend & the xbox |
| [22:48:51] | cconstantine: | justinh: those aren't horrible... does it skip commercials automatically or allow fast forwarding? |
| [22:49:06] | justinh: | eventually the noise got too much & we tired of how ugly it was & I built a real frontend |
| [22:49:10] | xand: | so can anyone recommend a dvb-t card? my nova-t is good but they seem to have discontinued them... the nova-t-500 is either crap or mine is just dodgy |
| [22:49:20] | cconstantine: | hehe |
| [22:49:29] | justinh: | cconstantine: no commercial skipping but fast forward / rewind works |
| [22:49:36] | justinh: | no timestretch either ;) |
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| [22:49:47] | justinh: | xand: force_lna=1 ? |
| [22:49:52] | justinh: | (or whatever) |
| [22:49:53] | xand: | yes I have that |
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| [22:50:17] | xand: | one of the tuners doesn't like some MUXes.... now it seems to be geting worse and not recording at all |
| [22:50:19] | justinh: | I thought all the nova-t 500 problems had been fixed. maybe try updating to newer drivers |
| [22:50:26] | xand: | hm |
| [22:51:08] | xand: | also, it's impossible to tell the tuners apart, so you can't give each one its own device name using udev |
| [22:51:15] | xand: | the data they return is identical |
| [22:51:36] | xand: | so when I reboot, sometimes I'll get the dodgy one in use, sometimes I won't |
| [22:51:47] | justinh: | checked the cabling? |
| [22:51:53] | xand: | yes |
| [22:52:00] | justinh: | I had an issue with my normally rock-solid tuners a while back |
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| [22:52:05] | justinh: | oh and heat can be an issue too |
| [22:52:10] | xand: | I expect it doesn't help that the signal here is not very good |
| [22:52:12] | justinh: | I had 3 cards next to each other |
| [22:52:26] | justinh: | xand: how many ways is the coax split? |
| [22:52:47] | justinh: | any more than one split, you need an active splitter/booster |
| [22:52:51] | xand: | well, I split it two ways, but's a shared aerial |
| [22:52:54] | justinh: | even with the strongest signal |
| [22:52:59] | xand: | I have a booster |
| [22:53:05] | xand: | otherwise it doesn't work at all |
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| [22:53:35] | xand: | one tuner is always fine though, I think it's hte nova-t but not really sure how to tell |
| [22:53:46] | xand: | not without unplugging the other anyway |
| [22:53:54] | justinh: | udev can sort the men from the boys |
| [22:54:32] | ** Mousey huggles udev ** | |
| [22:54:33] | justinh: | or the wussies option, module blacklisting (then you load the modules manually, or in /etc/modules.conf in the order you want) |
| [22:54:51] | tjcarter: | Because the men have to have their wives read the directions on how to configure it and the boys don't have wives for that purpose? |
| [22:55:11] | xand: | I shall fiddle with cards tomorrow |
| [22:55:22] | xand: | I've got cross enough with mythtv for tonight |
| [22:55:31] | justinh: | if it's that bad, it's prolly worth taking the box out of service til you get to the bottom of it |
| [22:55:43] | Anduin: | the bus id makes a good unique id if you don't move the cards |
| [22:55:51] | xand: | it's fine if I record only one thing at once, as it uses the encoder that works |
| [22:56:07] | xand: | Anduin: they're both on the same card |
| [22:56:14] | Anduin: | ah, missed that |
| [22:56:23] | justinh: | could still be signal-y then |
| [22:56:30] | xand: | ? |
| [22:56:48] | justinh: | well, the nova-t 500 splits the signal internally to its 2 tuners |
| [22:56:54] | xand: | yes |
| [22:57:31] | justinh: | try with as few things on the aerial cable as possible |
| [22:57:46] | justinh: | then see if both tuners are ok |
| [22:57:52] | justinh: | femon is your friend ;) |
| [22:58:11] | xand: | well, I only have two devices on it... |
| [22:58:20] | xand: | nova-t, and 500 |
| [22:58:56] | xand: | but there's other flats connected to it |
| [22:59:21] | justinh: | or take mythbackend offline for a while & try tzap to see if there's any correlation between muxes you don't pull in as well as others – e.g. ones higher up the band are worse, etc |
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| [22:59:43] | xand: | hm |
| [22:59:46] | justinh: | probably a communal aerial amplifier somewhere in the building – or at least I'd hope so |
| [23:00:05] | xand: | maybe |
| [23:00:24] | xand: | all I can see is the wiring outside going to each flat |
| [23:00:28] | justinh: | and not all tuners are made alike unfortunately.... your nova-t might be happy with the signal level whereas the 500 may not be.. or one half of it might be & the other not... |
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| [23:00:41] | xand: | well that's how it seems to be |
| [23:00:43] | my2keh: | how do you remove a directory from a storage group? |
| [23:01:05] | justinh: | I have a very strong signal but I can only split it once before the signal degrades to the point it's unusable on a 3rd tuner |
| [23:01:10] | Anduin: | my2keh: try 'd' |
| [23:01:15] | xand: | signal level is usually about 20% according to watching live tv |
| [23:01:20] | my2keh: | ah duh |
| [23:01:39] | justinh: | I never believe that reading |
| [23:01:53] | justinh: | it gets its data from the driver, and those are known to lie ;) |
| [23:02:11] | justinh: | some cards get the 'signal strength' reading in reverse |
| [23:02:44] | xand: | well using a set-top box the signal was never strong, though I didn't try it without booster |
| [23:02:57] | justinh: | try femon.. if you're getting any UNC numbers in there, it's bad news |
| [23:03:07] | xand: | er is that a program? |
| [23:03:11] | justinh: | aiming for all zeros in BER is good too |
| [23:03:17] | justinh: | it's a dvb-util program IIRC |
| [23:03:25] | my2keh: | woohoo, all 0's in ber and unc |
| [23:03:59] | justinh: | it could even be that the booster you have is only making things worse. amplifiers boost noise too |
| [23:04:27] | xand: | without the booster I can't get anything |
| [23:04:38] | justinh: | not a good sign, that |
| [23:05:00] | justinh: | and if you have bother even with a STB, I'd be pointing the finger at the aerial installation |
| [23:05:01] | xand: | well, I can with set-top box, but not with tv card |
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| [23:05:20] | justinh: | you shouldn't be needing to boost a communal aerial yourself |
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| [23:05:56] | xand: | maybe.... this is the worst part of the country for tv reception though |
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| [23:06:26] | xand: | they broadcast things weakly due to the french |
| [23:06:30] | justinh: | there's even an outside chance the aerial isn't even suited to picking up digital muxes – local transmitters are arranged in frequency groups & aerials were sold, optimised for each group |
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| [23:07:11] | justinh: | digital muxes are often all over the UHF band now, outside the traditional frequency groups – meaning that if the aerial isn't group W – Wideband... reception will be compromised |
| [23:07:45] | justinh: | xand: does the freeview.co.uk postcode checker say you have a cat in hell's chance? |
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| [23:09:53] | justinh: | it's not all bad news forever though – when analogue is switched off, the power of digital transmissions will be increased anything up to 10 times what it is now :) |
| [23:10:04] | xand: | in 4 years |
| [23:10:07] | xand: | or 4 |
| [23:10:09] | xand: | or 5 |
| [23:10:12] | justinh: | heh |
| [23:10:25] | xand: | they should switch it off already |
| [23:10:27] | justinh: | was the other tuner ever ok? |
| [23:10:32] | xand: | yes |
| [23:10:48] | xand: | IIRC it was fine until I did something to the PC once >.< |
| [23:10:55] | justinh: | which was? |
| [23:11:22] | justinh: | if you say added hardware I'm gonna point at your PSU |
| [23:11:22] | xand: | er |
| [23:11:31] | xand: | well |
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| [23:11:46] | xand: | may have added another harddisk |
| [23:11:56] | justinh: | more PSU load :) |
| [23:12:14] | xand: | yes that's what I did |
| [23:12:26] | justinh: | seen it affect DVB-S peeps but there's no reason why it wouldn't also affect anything else |
| [23:12:31] | xand: | hm |
| [23:12:46] | xand: | I'm not actually using one of them so I should remove it :| |
| [23:13:06] | justinh: | give it a go.. if it helps, it could be time for a quality PSU |
| [23:13:10] | xand: | I replaced the original one with a bigger one, and left the old one in in case I needed anything |
| [23:13:23] | xand: | I shall leave it out |
| [23:13:32] | xand: | if nothing else it'll save a small amount of electricity |
| [23:13:44] | justinh: | more watts isn't always better anyway. people fall for big numbers when it's not always the whole story |
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| [23:14:19] | justinh: | combined load of a good 350W PSU can be better than those '20000000W' PSUs you can pick up from the local computer junk shop ;) |
| [23:14:40] | xand: | I dunno what PSU it is... it's whatever dell put in GX260s c.c |
| [23:14:56] | xand: | it's an old P4 machine that was too old for work >.< |
| [23:15:28] | justinh: | and what really matters when you're trying to pluck infinitely small signals out of the ether, is noise & ripple. low quality (or just old) PSUs can affect that |
| [23:16:09] | justinh: | in any 'ordinary' machine you might never even notice it, but dealing with tidgy RF signals it could be an issue to consider |
| [23:16:35] | xand: | right, well I'll remove that disk tomorrow and see if anything happens... and think about PSU |
| [23:16:53] | xand: | I might take the machine to my parents which has decent reception and see what it's like there |
| [23:16:57] | justinh: | ah yes, but people in the know will say "but that shouldn't be an issue if the card decouples the PSU properly & is properly laid out...." but... ;) |
| [23:17:39] | justinh: | I've often said this before but I'll say it again.. the insides of a PC case is no place for tiny radio frequency signals :) |
| [23:18:10] | justinh: | xand: yeah that's a good idea. eliminate some variables |
| [23:19:00] | sid3windr: | [04|01:14:36] < xand> I dunno what PSU it is... it's whatever dell put in GX260s c.c |
| [23:19:03] | sid3windr: | 170W |
| [23:19:08] | xand: | no. |
| [23:19:22] | xand: | it's definitely more than that :| |
| [23:19:25] | sid3windr: | it's not |
| [23:19:28] | xand: | 300W I think |
| [23:19:38] | xand: | this is the full tower not desktop version |
| [23:19:42] | sid3windr: | indeed |
| [23:19:46] | sid3windr: | full tower gx270 is 170W |
| [23:19:52] | sid3windr: | I don't think the GX260 have more |
| [23:20:09] | sid3windr: | and yes, this feeds a P4 3GHz, some ram sticks, an optical drive and 2 harddisks just fine |
| [23:20:24] | sid3windr: | (and a motherboard and at least 2 extra pci cards) |
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| [23:20:36] | justinh: | well, it's only the combined load rating that's important really. no point having a 700W PSU if the majority of that is delivered on a rail you don't need so much on ;) |
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| [23:22:03] | justinh: | spinup current of some HDDs can be anything up to 2A on the 12V rail, 1.5A on the 5V rail.. less with more modern models.. consider that (24W + 7.5W) extra load when a disk is waking up :P |
| [23:26:44] | xand: | it's 250W |
| [23:26:58] | xand: | http://www.911forpcs.com/dehpposush.html |
| [23:28:11] | justinh: | 250W for a modern-ish machine is maybe pushing it |
| [23:28:21] | justinh: | how many HDDs? |
| [23:28:25] | xand: | 1 now |
| [23:28:40] | xand: | storage is in a different machine |
| [23:28:54] | justinh: | actually it's not just HDDs but how many HDDs have more than one platter ;) |
| [23:30:41] | xand: | shock horror! it's now recording from two tuners |
| [23:31:01] | justinh: | :) |
| [23:31:30] | justinh: | I have my uses |
| [23:31:44] | tjcarter: | Themes? ;) |
| [23:31:46] | ** tjcarter ducks ** | |
| [23:31:59] | justinh: | whatees? |
| [23:32:00] | xand: | and all three recordings' quality are fine |
| [23:32:03] | xand: | thanks justinh |
| [23:32:23] | justinh: | it's not very often it's the PSU to blame but when it is... |
| [23:32:47] | xand: | well could been the reboot ;) |
| [23:32:55] | xand: | tomorrow I shall see if using all three tuners works. |
| [23:33:14] | justinh: | or that, but then if that's the case maybe you need to try updating drivers/kernel |
| [23:33:32] | justinh: | strange feeling of deja-vu just then... |
| [23:34:55] | gbee: | think I've finally got my vpn up and running, just can't really test it and I'm worried that in the unlikely event of a powercut both ssh and vpn will be dead on that box blocking access completely |
| [23:35:22] | justinh: | bah it's my theme causing the segfault |
| [23:35:53] | gbee: | the vpn scripts somehow destroy the gateway route, having to recreate it manually atm, until that's done it blocks net routing to the box :( |
| [23:36:27] | clever: | gbee: you can easily restore the route thru the script |
| [23:36:39] | clever: | ip route add via 10.0.0.3 dev eth0 |
| [23:36:43] | justinh: | nope, it's not my extra tag to blame. sheesh |
| [23:36:48] | gbee: | clever: true |
| [23:37:03] | clever: | ive played with ip addr and ip route alot lately |
| [23:37:15] | clever: | and now im getting weird errors with 2 mac's claiming 10.0.0.1 |
| [23:37:44] | justinh: | well, my lowbatt message is telling me I should go to bed. g'night all |
| [23:38:01] | gbee: | in mythui extra tags won't cause segfaults and neither should the lack of tags, whole windows or missing required widgets might though – depends on the location |
| [23:38:23] | gbee: | I need to go through and find the places where we don't deal with missing themes properly |
| [23:39:04] | tjcarter: | justinh: when the PSU is at fault, you wind up scratching your head for weeks going WTF! |
| [23:39:40] | clever: | tjcarter: last time i had a brownout from my PSU, i 'solved' it by disconnecting 1 drive durring power up |
| [23:39:50] | clever: | they where in drawers and the key lock at the front cut power |
| [23:40:36] | xand: | I bet you get brownouts all the time due to too many machines :p |
| [23:40:58] | clever: | my lights dimm when stuff like the washer starts |
| [23:41:06] | clever: | but that has never affected a computer directly |
| [23:41:11] | clever: | 100 amp service to the house |
| [23:41:21] | xand: | my mythtv backend is my only machine that's not on ups :| |
| [23:41:42] | clever: | my cisco switch and 1–2 servers are sharing a UPS |
| [23:41:55] | xand: | I'd have thought you'd need more than 100A with your small american voltage? |
| [23:42:07] | xand: | (200A) |
| [23:42:12] | clever: | its called being canadian:P |
| [23:42:34] | xand: | same electricity though |
| [23:42:34] | clever: | and my dad cant figure out how europeans live thru sticking keys in the 220v socket:P |
| [23:42:45] | xand: | you can't do that |
| [23:42:55] | xand: | our sockets have safety shutters |
| [23:43:12] | clever: | which you could still pry open at age 3:P |
| [23:43:14] | xand: | either you have to insert both live and neutral pins together, or more likely you have to insert earth first |
| [23:43:32] | gbee: | in the UK at least, not true in all European countries |
| [23:43:34] | xand: | also, RCDs.... |
| [23:43:43] | clever: | hot and neutral woild be worse, then you would get more of a jolt |
| [23:43:47] | xand: | gbee: no, but the holes in european ones are too small ;) |
| [23:43:53] | ** gbee can't figure how so many countries get by without an earth ** | |
| [23:44:02] | gbee: | xand: that's true ;) |
| [23:44:04] | clever: | we have gnd on our sockets:P |
| [23:44:40] | gbee: | clever: err, yeah, but what about the devices themselves, how are they grounded? |
| [23:44:51] | clever: | depends on the device |
| [23:44:54] | xand: | all sockets have to have earth, pins are half-insulated, and plugs have fuses in |
| [23:44:58] | clever: | nearly all computers have gnd |
| [23:45:12] | clever: | some lamps dont use the gnd |
| [23:45:19] | clever: | depends on the device |
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| [23:45:50] | xand: | of course neutral is often connected to earth anyway, just the other side of the CU |
| [23:46:06] | xand: | otherwise RCDs etc would not work |
| [23:47:12] | clever: | im starting to suspect my dsl modem itself has claimed the 10.0.0.1 ip |
| [23:47:16] | xand: | clever: anyway, I've had at least two shocks from 240V and wasn't hurt :P |
| [23:47:21] | clever: | i never knew it even handled the ip protocol anyway |
| [23:47:37] | clever: | ive gotten low current shocks from 120 and bearly noticed it |
| [23:47:41] | gbee: | that's one reason I like static IP allocation based on MAC |
| [23:47:42] | xand: | (once was up a ladder too) |
| [23:47:42] | clever: | the STB leaks |
| [23:47:45] | clever: | and isnt gounded |
| [23:47:57] | mzb_d800: | it's not the voltage that kills |
| [23:48:06] | clever: | so when i connect the coax, i gnd the box |
| [23:48:09] | xand: | you need the voltage to drive the current :P |
| [23:48:16] | clever: | and im mostly holding the sheild of 2 coax lines |
| [23:48:21] | clever: | so it goes in 1 hand and out the other |
| [23:48:27] | mzb_d800: | only takes something like 20ma through the heart to kill you |
| [23:48:34] | Dagmar: | s/hand/ear/; |
| [23:48:45] | clever: | it was going from hand->hand so it had to cross thru the heart area |
| [23:48:47] | xand: | but if there was 0V current wouldn't flow :P |
| [23:49:13] | mzb_d800: | it's still not the "voltage" (as such) that kills you |
| [23:49:28] | clever: | gbee: i am doing static based on mac, but i placed my dhcp server at 10.0.0.1 and everything exploded |
| [23:49:46] | clever: | 3 mac's reply to an arp for 10.0.0.1 now |
| [23:50:00] | clever: | one of them a comtrend device(acording to nmap) |
| [23:50:25] | mzb_d800: | high voltage DC on the other hand ... |
| [23:50:40] | clever: | yeah, i have enough baterys to easily get 240v dc |
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| [23:50:53] | mzb_d800: | I've had 800VDC |
| [23:50:55] | clever: | screw driver melting power |
| [23:50:58] | mzb_d800: | that hurt |
| [23:51:07] | mzb_d800: | hard to get off, too |
| [23:51:28] | mzb_d800: | took me a while to work out what it was (even worse;) |
| [23:51:52] | Dagmar: | clever: IT HELPS WHEN YOU ACTUALLY USE YOUR HEAD |
| [23:52:07] | mzb_d800: | never found the exit wounds! ;))) |
| [23:52:15] | Dagmar: | "3 mac's reply to an arp for 10.0.0.1 now" <-- this is *headdesk* territory |
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| [23:52:31] | clever: | Dagmar: 2 of those mac's are on the 10.0.0.1 system and make sense |
| [23:52:40] | clever: | but none of my computers own the 3rd mac |
| [23:52:46] | Dagmar: | No. |
| [23:52:52] | Dagmar: | No. No. No. |
| [23:53:03] | clever: | Unicast reply from 10.0.0.1 [00:20:18:88:ED:79] 0.838ms |
| [23:53:04] | clever: | Unicast reply from 10.0.0.1 [00:05:5D:FE:F4:16] 1.003ms |
| [23:53:04] | clever: | Unicast reply from 10.0.0.1 [00:30:DA:04:20:A1] 3.412ms |
| [23:53:23] | Dagmar: | Unless you've been a complete idiot and have plugged two interfaces from the same machine into the same broadcast segment. |
| [23:53:31] | clever: | i didnt |
| [23:53:41] | clever: | i dont see how wan0 is even hearing those packets |
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| [23:54:14] | clever: | but the bigger problem |
| [23:54:14] | clever: | wtf is the 3rd mac comming from |
| [23:54:14] | clever: | that gave me trouble trying to just ssh in to fix it |
| [23:55:04] | Dagmar: | How many things do you have plugged into that segment?> |
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| [23:55:17] | a1fa: | awww.. my frontend fried |
| [23:55:41] | clever: | Dagmar: the main segment has ~10 devices |
| [23:55:56] | clever: | the 2nd segment has 3(counting the switch) |
| [23:56:02] | clever: | http://pastebin.com/m29836779 |
| [23:56:23] | a1fa: | my video card fried so now I am forced to use mythtv |
| [23:56:28] | a1fa: | i may make a full transfer to mythtv |
| [23:56:32] | a1fa: | ;) |
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| [23:56:40] | a1fa: | for my frontend |
| [23:56:57] | Dagmar: | Well, you've got a D-Link and a Realtek card responding there |
| [23:57:09] | clever: | 00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| [23:57:12] | clever: | 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc DL10050 Sundance Ethernet (rev 12) |
| [23:57:16] | clever: | both cards from the router |
| [23:57:27] | clever: | the problem is the 00:30:DA:04:20:A1 address |
| [23:57:28] | Dagmar: | You have both of these plugged into the same switch |
| [23:57:35] | clever: | seperate virtual lans |
| [23:57:36] | Dagmar: | This is _WRONG_. |
| [23:57:40] | Dagmar: | No, they're not. |
| [23:57:41] | clever: | they are isolated within the config |
| [23:57:43] | Dagmar: | They're absolutely not. |
| [23:57:45] | Dagmar: | You have fucked it up |
| [23:57:59] | Dagmar: | If they were separate VLANs they wouldn't be responding like that |
| [23:58:03] | clever: | even if i did fuck that up, where the fuck did the 00:30:DA:04:20:A1 come from? |
| [23:58:14] | Dagmar: | Start unplugging things until you find out |
| [23:58:27] | Dagmar: | Problem #1 is that you don't what you've got plugged in there |
| [23:58:31] | clever: | acording to nmap, that mac belonds to comtrend |
| [23:58:39] | clever: | and my dsl modem is a comtrend |
| [23:59:11] | a1fa: | lol |
| [23:59:12] | a1fa: | stfu |
| [23:59:13] | clever: | so my best guess is that the modem has a static 10.0.0.1 ip that i never noticed because i was using 192.168.1.x |
| [23:59:24] | Dagmar: | Probably so |
| [23:59:42] | clever: | but what could i even do in the dsl modem config |
| [23:59:49] | clever: | it has no NAT ability |
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