Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 1st, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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iamlindoro:

as he didn't say anything *about* OpenGL. I

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Nutsy:

Then just tell me straight. How do i stop video tareing?

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Nutsy:

tearing

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iamlindoro:

turn the scale off

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Nutsy:

what scale?

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iamlindoro:

the one you're tareing of course

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Nutsy:

are you just taking the piss?

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justinh:

anyway, with respect to audio downsampling.. if the setting of 'max number of audio channels' hasn't worked for you I don't know what to suggest. personally everything I have with > 2 channels gets sent via digital audio to my receiver :)

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iamlindoro:

Wildebeast echidna turing test alfalfa?

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justinh:

as for tearing video.. try enabling sync to vblank – in nvidia-settings or in mythtv playback settings

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Nutsy:

ok thank yo

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Nutsy:

u

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justinh:

that is for whoever wants it to be for them

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Striker:

what the...mythtv isn't pulling audio off the device i told it to...it's not pulling audio from anywhere

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CNLiberal:

that command I typed up...is it still good for ISOs?

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iamlindoro:

CNLiberal, should be

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CNLiberal:

sweet

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CNLiberal:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

I always put the %s at the end, btw, but mplayer may be smart enough to take it in that format

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justinh:

hmmm now I'm reminded how much I hate editing osd.xml :(

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CNLiberal:

seemed to work for a normal AVI

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CNLiberal:

but not an ISO

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CNLiberal:

hmm

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CNLiberal:

let me check that i typed commands in correctly

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niklauz:

coax cable as provided by comcast is an analog source, right?

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CNLiberal:

they look correct

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CNLiberal:

maybe ISOs shouldn't use the %s but maybe dvd://%s

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Striker:

niklauz: it carries both analog and digital

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Nutsy:

right turned on sync to vblack in myth and in nvidia settings and im still getting tearing :/

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iamlindoro:

CNLiberal, nope, that would open the physical DVD device

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iamlindoro:

just run the command in question on the ISO file in a terminal and find out why it failed

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CNLiberal:

ok i know the problem

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CNLiberal:

the ISO i choose has strange audio tracks

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CNLiberal:

the 0 track has no audio for some reason

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niklauz:

Striker: i'm fuzzy on this... so the basic channel (1–120's) are analog, and the on-demand stuff is digital? is that right...?

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CNLiberal:

the 128 track is the correct audio track

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CNLiberal:

so i'm in the mplayer lirc config file

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CNLiberal:

and i found out the the # is the key to change the audio tracks

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CNLiberal:

so i set the config to this:

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Striker:

niklauz: kinda

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CNLiberal:

http://pastebin.ca/1189985

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CNLiberal:

and that's not working

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CNLiberal:

so what can i do about that?

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CNLiberal:

i need to use that key (#) to change audio tracks (channels)

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niklauz:

Striker: part of the reason i was worried about this is my second-hand hpg pvr-150 was only getting a signal on 2 channels

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Striker:

digital or analog?

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Striker:

chances are your digital is encrypted QAM except for some public broadcast channels

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niklauz:

they were espn, typical cable channels

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** justinh wonders if when somebody says 'tearing' they mean they're seeing interlacing artifacts (like teeth of a comb on moving video) or not **

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iamlindoro:

CNLiberal, lirc config = are *usually* the same as their keypress, but not all the time-- They are actually more complicated than that. You need figure out what mplayer expects it to be called (maybe even something like AUDTRACK or something like that) and put it in

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CNLiberal:

hmmm

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CNLiberal:

ok

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clever:

i think mplayer's lirc config is more proper then mythtv's

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clever:

with mplayer, you bind lirc buttons to commands

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clever:

the same way you bind keyboard keys to commands

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clever:

but with mythtv, you bind the buttons to keys

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iamlindoro:

http://www.nabble.com/How-to-cyclic-switch-Au . . . 6s15552.html

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clever:

then the keys to actions

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Striker:

does mythtv even have interlace options?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

many, in fact

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iamlindoro:

well, actually, none

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iamlindoro:

but it has many DEinterlace options

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** niklauz wishes he wasn't so uncertain about this stuff **

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Striker:

but aren't those for transcoding?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

they're for playback

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Striker:

where are they then? i have yet to find them

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** iamlindoro flexes his fingers **

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, page three

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iamlindoro:

edit a playback profiles, second page of each

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iamlindoro:

I really ought to put that on a macro

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Striker:

ah, see...the wiki does not say anything about editing a playback profile

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iamlindoro:

That's because wikis rely on people to give a shit

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iamlindoro:

and myth users taketaketake

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** iamlindoro presumes CNLiberal has solved his problem based on the link above **

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Striker:

no, wait a second

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Striker:

i dont see any deinterlace options

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CNLiberal:

i'm doing it

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Striker:

or any "second page" of a playback profile

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CNLiberal:

still working

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iamlindoro:

Then you're on the wrong screen

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iamlindoro:

Go to the playback profiles screen in Playback, edit a profile

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iamlindoro:

go to the second page of the profile

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iamlindoro:

like I said

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iamlindoro:

before

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iamlindoro:

that other time

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iamlindoro:

when I was drunk

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Striker:

okay ...so you mean TV Settings -> playback profiles, not just playback

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Striker:

that's where ya lost me ;)

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

I mean TV settings, Playback

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iamlindoro:

end of line

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Striker:

k

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CNLiberal:

HA

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CNLiberal:

got it

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Striker:

i'm there, i see on the 3rd page about playback profiles

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CNLiberal:

instead of using the ASCII code

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iamlindoro:

Striker, ok, and?

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iamlindoro:

follow the rest of my directions

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Striker:

but nothing on that screen has deinterlacing options

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CNLiberal:

i had to use the actual mplayer command (switch_audio)

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Striker:

editing one doesnt give me them either

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iamlindoro:

ohhh yes it does

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iamlindoro:

if you GO TO THE SECOND PAGE

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iamlindoro:

like I said those four times

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Striker:

you mean on the entries then

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iamlindoro:

"iamlindoro> go to the second page of the profile"

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iamlindoro:

I meant what I said for fuck's sake

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iamlindoro:

christ, is this the english speaking channel?

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Striker:

it's not the secodn page of the profile, it's the second page of the individual profile entry

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iamlindoro:

did I go to #mythtv-users-fucking-greek and not know it?

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Striker:

there are *multiple* entries in each profile

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iamlindoro:

Wrong

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Striker:

you're skipping steps

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iamlindoro:

each entry is a single playback profile

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iamlindoro:

jesus christ, way to not read and try to make it my fault

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Striker:

i did read

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Striker:

i followed your instructions

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iamlindoro:

fucking forget it, you've got your pound of flesh, let's move on

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Striker:

this is what i see: http://striker.interhact.net/images/mythtv-playback-profile.png

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Striker:

there are *4* "edit" buttons in *one* profile

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iamlindoro:

right, and what did you *presume* I meant when I said "EDIT" something, eh?

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Striker:

you said edit the profile

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iamlindoro:

could I maybe have meant to hit the multitude of EDIT buttons on your screen?

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Striker:

there is no "edit" next to the profile at the top

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iamlindoro:

you know what?

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Striker:

iamlindoro: if you meant that, say it

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Striker:

cuz your instructions were misleading

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iamlindoro:

go fuck yourself

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iamlindoro:

Why is it *always* like this around this time of day?

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iamlindoro:

it's like there's a massive fucking brain vacuum

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** iamlindoro goes to sit in the dev channel **

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Striker:

well if you expect people to be psychic, what else is supposed to happen?

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iamlindoro:

I'll be back when literacy is restored

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iamlindoro:

Which will probably be when the US goes to sleep and Europe wakes to a shiny new day

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justinh:

heh. see you back here.. er.. never

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iamlindoro:

justinh, ;)

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you don't know joy til you've themed the OSD, man :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Once I get through the theme proper if I haven't eaten a gun I'll think about it

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justinh:

picking through this osd.xml I'm left wondering wtf drugs I was on when I did it

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iamlindoro:

gah, speaking of which I promised to fix the tube-ui.xml stuff this weekend-- maybe I'll do that now

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justinh:

has about a dozen different fonts & all sorts

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CNLiberal:

dinner time

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CNLiberal:

then i'll try and figure out this mplayer madness

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mzb_d800:

all eating the wrong grass again? ;)

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CNLiberal:

buffalo chicken wings

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CNLiberal:

NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM

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justinh:

only 500 calories per bite, too :D

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justinh:

damn, the position indicatuh is a wee bit too large. like elephantitis kinda large

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CNLiberal:

meh...who cares...if i cared about stupid things like calories, then i wouldn't be trying to perfect a system for allowing me the perfect Home Theater entertainment computer

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mzb_d800:

do they leak into your brain?

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justinh:

heh all we need is Mad Chicken Disease

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cesman:

Salmanella

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cesman:

s/Salmanella/Salmonella

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cesman:

There is also bird flu...

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cesman:

take your pick

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CNLiberal:

well they were sitting in my truck for several hours last night

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mzb_d800:

phew, there's still some humour in # at least ;)

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CNLiberal:

that was no joke

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CNLiberal:

hahaha

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mzb_d800:

yeah, didn't really apply to you ;P

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Striker:

how would one go about launching tvtime from mythtv?

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clever:

you can add custom items to the menu which run a command

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Striker:

where's that at?

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clever:

some xml file

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clever:

i forget where

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Striker:

interesting i'll have to hunt that down

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Striker:

is it part of the theme?

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clever:

part of the theme i beleive

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Striker:

k

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mzb_d800:

or you could have a (video) file which is run by a custom command

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Striker:

yeah, i was thinking about that...but kinda goofy ;P

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clever:

that would go thru mythvideo

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clever:

make a crap.tvtime file which is ran with tvtime and contains nothing

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Striker:

i'd actually like it to be an item on the main menu

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mzb_d800:

so editing the theme file is your only choice

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justinh:

so edit mainmenu.xml :)

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Striker:

that works

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Striker:

hm, can i have that file in ~/.mythtv or something?

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justinh:

I thought the edit marker positioning code was fixed already :-\

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clever:

ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 401

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clever:

*** glibc detected *** mythfrontend: corrupted double-linked list: 0x081bca80 ***

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clever:

======= Backtrace: =========

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clever:

yay more crashy crashy!

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clever:

the backtrace seems to pass thru the upnp code

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famicom:

dammit

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famicom:

godammit

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famicom:

why dont they ban those fucking phonesex commercials

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clever:

yes its allways sad when mythtv crashes

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famicom:

meh

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famicom:

i just setup a mythtfrontend on my EEEPC

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famicom:

i turn onm the thing

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CNLiberal:

EEE PC running the atom processor?

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famicom:

and it starts blaring "OUR SLUTS WILL MAKE YOU CUM" on full volume

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CNLiberal:

hahahah

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CNLiberal:

what station were you on?

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CNLiberal:

hahaha

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famicom:

i thought it was homeshopping

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clever:

i keep getting a phonecall of a static recording

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clever:

saying i won a cruise ship trip

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clever:

allways starts with the fog horn

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i dont get that type of comerial much

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CNLiberal:

u getting Playboy or SPICE channel in the clear?

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CNLiberal:

haha

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clever:

though i get alot of girls gone wild comercials at 3am durring star trek

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Dagmar:

clever: Google "FTC do not call list"

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famicom:

clever thats NOTHING compared to what we get here

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clever:

what must they think of the treckies

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famicom:

eh

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famicom:

sad horny men?

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Dagmar:

You subscribe, you wait 30 days, when the next person calls, go ALMOST all the way to giving them a CC number. Get all their relevant information. Goto FTC site, fill out violation form with said info.

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Dagmar:

*SPLAT* $10,000 fine.

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clever:

nice:P

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Dagmar:

Those cruise people don't call my goddamn office anymore.

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clever:

i could also work out fake but valid sounding cc numbers

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Dagmar:

One moment

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clever:

ive seen javascript code before that 'validates' cc numbers

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Dagmar:

http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/

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famicom:

thats fraud

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clever:

its just a string of complex math

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Dagmar:

That right there is pretty much the shiznit for hurting spammers.

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Dagmar:

famicom: Somehow I don't think pill spammers are going to file too many complaints.

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Dagmar:

You don't have to click, click, and click to get bogus-but-credible looking information to fill in fields with.

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famicom:

now, but it can fuck you over once you try to file charges

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Dagmar:

You can bloody download generated information by the tens of thousands with a mouseclick

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Dagmar:

The "Order in Bulk" tab is FTW for putting the hurt on spammers.

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Dagmar:

famicom: like I'm going to even try to file charges against someon in Russia

[01:44:12]

Dagmar:

I'll let the miniscule fees they pay for each failed attempt to bill a nonexistant credit card handle it

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clever:

yeah, they may stop the mail order brides:P

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Dagmar:

Ferinstance, if you'd like to see a mexican standoff go horribly wrong, give a script to do that to 3–4 different chinese goldfarming companies

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Dagmar:

Watch them kill each other with it

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clever:

i just had an idea

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clever:

get the adr that your spam(real or email) comes from

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clever:

and setup your email client to claim your that adr, and send a reply to another spam company

[01:47:30]

clever:

get the 2 companys spaming eachother:P

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Dagmar:

Doesnt' work

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Dagmar:

Spammers always use throwaway addresses, and generally hosted by someone who's trying to provide free email

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famicom:

STIL MORE FUCKING PHONESEX

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famicom:

GODDAMMN

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clever:

then how are they going to get any reply emails?

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Dagmar:

They hope they can get some before the account is terminated.

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Dagmar:

It's the potential orders that they'll be trapped like a monkey with his fist in a gourd over

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clever:

lol

[01:50:18]

clever:

could still work with snail mail

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clever:

those boxes might be less of a throwaway thing

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clever:

but if you put a false from: you might get a fine

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Dagmar:

Mailboxes mean they're flirting with having the postmaster general come down on them

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Dagmar:

Email, not so much

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** iamlindoro has no 4:3 monitor and as such has no freaking clue how this xml will look on one **

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Striker:

shouldn't mythtv have an open handle on /dev/dsp while it's recording livetv?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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CNLiberal:

@iamlindoro: I'd love to be in that situation

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CNLiberal:

haha

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clever:

ugh

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clever:

nvidia broke again

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Striker:

interesting...my audio must be screwed up

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justinh:

heh never before has livetv been started so many times here

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** mzb_d800 loves that Linux has provided him with a solution to (99% of) unsolicited phone calls **

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CNLiberal:

running Asterisk?

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mzb_d800:

yep

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CNLiberal:

not accepting calls from blocked #'s?

[01:58:39]

mzb_d800:

with privacy manager

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mzb_d800:

going to add a maze of bullshit on the next one ;)

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CNLiberal:

haha

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mzb_d800:

mind you, most of them don't make it through the single question now "The number you have called does not accept unsolicited calls. Please enter your 10(?) digit telephone number including area code."

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CNLiberal:

hahaha

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mzb_d800:

a maze would only be for my entertainment, I guess ;)

[02:01:14]

CNLiberal:

but people you know do go through it?

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CNLiberal:

or do you base it upon blocked or unblocked

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mzb_d800:

yeah, g/f has callerid turned off on her phone

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mzb_d800:

(mobile)

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CNLiberal:

ah

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CNLiberal:

so how does Asterisk handle that?

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mzb_d800:

I pay an extra $6 per month for callerid.

[02:02:31]

CNLiberal:

sorry...this isn't an asterisk channel

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CNLiberal:

ahah

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mzb_d800:

ahh ... but it is on-topic ... coz. all the tv's have a callerid popup when the phone rings ;)

[02:03:43]

mzb_d800:

and the method I've used is not as ugly as some suggestions I've seen

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mzb_d800:

the TV's are simply extensions that are included in the master ring-group

[02:04:46]

mzb_d800:

see why the privacy manager is so important? Imagine all the telemarketers interrupting my myth!!!

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mzb_d800:

;)

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CNLiberal:

i'd love to see a phone system where I have a land line for asterisk, as well as plugging in my cell phone so that it can ring at any phone in the house

[02:05:17]

CNLiberal:

but verizon cripples their firmware, so it's probably not too likely anytime soon

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clever:

mzb_d800: is there an Asterisk channel on freenode?

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Striker:

isn't the asterisk dev channel on freenode?

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Striker:

yeah

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Striker:

#asterisk and #asterisk-dev (among others)

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clever:

Asterisk-dev ?

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clever:

ah:)

[02:10:13]

mzb_d800:

and #freepbx

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mzb_d800:

CNLiberal: there's a chan_mobile function if you've got bluetooth

[02:11:13]

CNLiberal:

interesting

[02:11:34]

CNLiberal:

can you choose from a VoIP fone whether to dial out from cell or landline?

[02:11:44]

CNLiberal:

i probably shouldn't talk about that here

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mzb_d800:

I have choice of POTS and several trunks ... routing of the calls is determined by destination

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CNLiberal:

yes but can you set the cell as a trunk?

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CNLiberal:

we don't have to talk about this in here, we can go provate

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CNLiberal:

private

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mzb_d800:

yes, chan_mobile allows mobile as trunk

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CNLiberal:

that's really interesting

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mzb_d800:

clever is in #freepbx

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CNLiberal:

how difficult is it to get ivtv-radio working in Myth?

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CNLiberal:

i've found the wiki page

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justinh:

s/difficult/impossible

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justinh:

mythtv doesn't do radio

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CNLiberal:

the wiki seems to think there's a way

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CNLiberal:

probably QUITE difficult

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justinh:

well, not since mythfm died on its arse

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mzb_d800:

there might be a way of incorporating it into mythmusic I guess ... just thinking of Erskil's shoutcast patch

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mzb_d800:

still nothing OTB

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CNLiberal:

in mythbuntu there's a stream area

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CNLiberal:

maybe it will be added to that

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justinh:

CNLiberal: that just looks like a way to 'listen' to radio so long as the tuner isn't being used for TV

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justinh:

it's just a bunch o hacks

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justinh:

it'd probably work though

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iamlindoro:

No, Mythbuntu's stream area will be dying quite shortly

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CNLiberal:

really

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CNLiberal:

that's too bad

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justinh:

mythstream is pretty much the suckiest plugin ever made

[02:33:00]

iamlindoro:

in fact, it's more or less supplanted already

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CNLiberal:

i'd like a way to record radio and dump it to my iPod

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iamlindoro:

I'd like a pony

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justinh:

CNLiberal: there are other apps which do that

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CNLiberal:

interesting response

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justinh:

mythtv no have radio recording features

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CNLiberal:

bummer

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justinh:

it _had_ mythfm but the plugin author did it in such a cock-assed way it could never be considered for inclusion

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CNLiberal:

i'd try it out, but i'm no programmer

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justinh:

what 'real' FM radio support would need is a new recording class in the code – for starters

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CNLiberal:

i could learn i suppose

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CNLiberal:

haha

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justinh:

most FM stations have streams online now anyway

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justinh:

jees. I should go to bed (take 2)

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justinh:

only the fancy OSD notification areas to re-do now :)

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sphery:

The most unread words in MythWeb: "(please don't paste the whole thing into the ticket)"--following, "If you choose to submit a bug report, please make sure to include a brief description of what you were doing, along with the following backtrace as an attachment"

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iamlindoro:

Mythtube w/ Bling: http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythtube_cf.png

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sphery:

Nice.\

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iamlindoro:

thx

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CNLiberal:

looks good

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CNLiberal:

i'm curious as to the woman though...haha

[03:10:33]

iamlindoro:

It's okay to be curious about women

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Striker:

woot i have my myth setup almost all done

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Striker:

now to get lirc to compile

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iamlindoro:

When a man reaches a certain age, he's overwhelmed by... feelings.. about girls

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iamlindoro:

If you're clever, this age is 37

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Striker:

hah

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CNLiberal:

haha

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sphery:

poor guy--even gets picked on when he's not (actively) present... :)

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clever:

yay my script to restart the master backend worked:P

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iamlindoro:

speak of the devil

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sphery:

there he is.

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clever:

iamlindoro: my computer beeps every time you say my nick:P

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sphery:

#!/bin/bash

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iamlindoro:

and your pants tingle

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clever:

and so will my cell if i enable that

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sphery:

ooops

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clever:

sphery: i went the hard way to brush up on my c++

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sphery:

#!/bin/bash^V^Mrestart

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iamlindoro:

double oops

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clever:

sphery: fork execve and waitpid()

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sphery:

I was trying to type an example script and accidentally typed the Ctrl-V,Ctrl-M instead of the carrot-notation...

[03:13:17]

clever:

43 lines of c++ code

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iamlindoro:

When gbee gets the motion path stuff into MythUI this will get extra-fun

[03:13:24]

clever:

mostly { and } lines

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clever:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/m29ef1fc6

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sphery:

I think cracking CSS takes only 42 lines of C (though that's a guess as I never would have done it before)

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iamlindoro:

42 very dense lines :)

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clever:

it could easily be 6 lines if i just strip all the \n's

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clever:

less if i stop using printf and cout and cut the includes

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iamlindoro:

oh clever, we know you'd never resort to something inelegant

[03:14:58]

clever:

but the fact remains that my backend is still crashing non stop:P

[03:15:03]

sphery:

I recently broke my habit of end-of-line curly braces. The world is much more orderly, now.

[03:15:35]

clever:

i tend to keep the } on there own line

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clever:

and { on the line above

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clever:

which you can see in my pastebin

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm now doing the { on its own line. Makes sense and lines up better.

[03:16:30]

clever:

2008-09–01 00:00:51.328 Slave backend: dadxp no longer connected

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clever:

2008-09–01 00:00:51.473 setting 5/HGTVC/"Holmes on Homes" as aborted

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clever:

ASSERT failure in QList<T>::operator[]: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 394

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clever:

thats weird...

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sphery:

gbee just recently made a change to the gdb instructions that will pick those up (and allow us a good backtrace for fixing them).

[03:17:25]

clever:

yeah i saw

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sphery:

(They're caused by a new "feature" in Qt4.)

[03:17:48]

clever:

but running the master capture server under gdb would be painfull

[03:18:18]

clever:

thought so

[03:18:24]

clever:

the 'dadxp' host has frozen

[03:18:35]

clever:

the kernel is up but the entire userspace layer is dead

[03:19:14]

clever:

ping and SYN packets respond as normal but the service behind the tcp port is non responsive

[03:20:29]

clever:

yay a kernel BUG!

[03:24:04]

iamlindoro:

Clever, you are a particular sort of person.

[03:24:25]

iamlindoro:

Someday you'll crash a space probe into a planet on account of metric->imperial conversion, just you wait.

[03:24:39]

clever:

lol

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** mzb_d800 shudders to think **

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mzb_d800:

prob. assumes he doesn't get jailed for accidentally wiring up mains voltage to his phone line ;)

[03:25:49]

CNLiberal:

i thought that was a coverup

[03:26:02]

CNLiberal:

aliens

[03:26:03]

CNLiberal:

haha

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sphery:

iamlindoro: perhaps, instead, clever will do something like: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=2008 . . . mode=classic

[03:27:43]

iamlindoro:

six of one, half dozen of the other :)

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sphery:

true

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iamlindoro:

I think I'm going to make my theme 100% overscan-unsafe

[03:28:35]

iamlindoro:

and to hell with the masses

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Dagmar:

Be all modern about it

[03:28:44]

sphery:

we need more themes like that

[03:28:51]

Dagmar:

Have it draw some fonts half-off the screen at all times

[03:28:56]

mzb_d800:

heh ... oh dear

[03:28:58]

CNLiberal:

DLPs be damned

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sphery:

as long as we also have some that work for people stuck in 1949.

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: got the osdmenu hack working quite nicely now ... currently training ${WOMAN} to see if it gets WAF+

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** CNLiberal really likes the 40's. We have hot women with LOTS of makeup here. **

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sphery:

lol

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mzb_d800:

1940's? ;)

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CNLiberal:

it's bitchin

[03:30:36]

CNLiberal:

women were hot then...and never talked back...LOL

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CNLiberal:

jk

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iamlindoro:

mzb_d800, nice, cool project

[03:31:37]

Dagmar:

I think I'll just swear off being a nice person for the next New Year's Resolution

[03:31:55]

CNLiberal:

that should be an easy one to follow

[03:31:57]

clever:

01 00:30:18 < Pizza_Guy> jdrechsler@Home-Server:~$ sudoedit etc/X11/xdm/Xservers

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clever:

01 00:30:18 < Pizza_Guy> sudoedit: unable to write to etc/X11/xdm/Xservers: No such file or directory

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clever:

its so hard dealing with idiots:P

[03:32:08]

CNLiberal:

end every sentence with "Now fuck off"

[03:32:10]

sphery:

Swearing is a good way to start not being nice. Oh, wait, that's a different kind of swearing.

[03:32:19]

Dagmar:

CNLiberal: You've -no- idea

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Dagmar:

Some tool challenged me to kill his bot earlier today

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Dagmar:

It runs lua code

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mzb_d800:

http://fastpaste.net/148/

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Dagmar:

I'm thinking, "wait, the thing executes lua that I supply to it, and I'm not supposed to be able to kill it?"

[03:34:00]

Dagmar:

I should have sent it spinning off to Undernet and running a loop of killall -9

[03:34:39]

mzb_d800:

press Enter on a Band (to add all Band's songs), or Right on a Song to add to the playlist. Press Enter on a Song to play it now.

[03:34:54]

mzb_d800:

highlighted item is now red, other items are green

[03:35:30]

mzb_d800:

(helpful) suggestions welcome ;)

[03:35:53]

sphery:

We need an OAD (On Audio Description--figured that using On Sound Description would be confusing) for Myth for when you don't want to cycle the bulb on the display.

[03:36:06]

jams:

mzb_d800- screenshots?

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Dagmar:

sphery: A what on what?

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mzb_d800:

err ... little difficult to do that

[03:37:03]

mzb_d800:

jams: any suggestions on how to get a screen shot? (from an ssh console ... or maybe a dump command somewhere in the script?)

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Dagmar:

Something like Steven Hawking telling you that an infomercial is coming up next?

[03:37:14]

sphery:

Dagmar: basically an optional/alternative/used-on-demand audio-navigable menuing system

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mzb_d800:

err ... iirc there's a command to just that

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** mzb_d800 spins up his spare neurone **

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Dagmar:

sphery: Hm... excepting the bit where Festical is OMG LARGE for a dependency it seems like a sound plan

[03:38:30]

sphery:

Yeah, and, IIRC, Festival doesn't even have 64-bit support, yet. (Is it still in development?)

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jams:

sphery- similiar to the phatbox way of navigation?

[03:39:02]

Dagmar:

Wait, why would it need explcit support for 64-bit?

[03:39:05]

Dagmar:

It's compilable

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mzb_d800:

jams: just trying to think if screenshot of xine+xosd would really work?

[03:39:21]

mzb_d800:

I'll have a play

[03:39:22]

jams:

if your now familiar with phatbox then ignore the question

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sphery:

mzb_d800: I don't know what the young kids use, but there's always xwd (though you'd probably need some conversions to make the dump useful to most)

[03:39:41]

Dagmar:

You just have to wait a year for the Asterisk guys to write a patch so it'll build with a version of C++ from this decade is all

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mzb_d800:

kk

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jams:

mzb_d800- nevermind about the screenshots, just looked at your code so it's easy enough to figure out what it looks like

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Dagmar:

-xy -root and pass the result through convert

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sphery:

I don't remember what the magick command is for a ss

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mzb_d800:

cool

[03:40:28]

Dagmar:

.xwd files are basically just raw dumps which share exactly nothing with any other program in existance

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mzb_d800:

import

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sphery:

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sphery:

Dagmar: Oh, 2.0 is finally beta... 1.4.3 wouldn't compile on 64-bit.

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Dagmar:

Bizarre

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sphery:

OK. Guess 1.4.3 did, but when I looked about a year ago, the current stable version wouldn't.

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Dagmar:

Asterisk guys prolly fixed it

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sphery:

that would make sense

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sphery:

I got the impression no one on the Festival team wante to work on it since they were working toward 2.0.

[03:46:20]

CNLiberal:

does anyone know where to set the audio output device for MythStream?

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Dagmar:

sphery: They were probably all still running ancient versions of gcc

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sphery:

Actually, that might be what I was thinking of--it worked with GCC 3.x, but not 4.x...

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sphery:

whatever it was, I'll have to see if I can get it to work, now.

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iamlindoro:

!seen cojonuo

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MythLogBot:

cojonuo was last seen 14 hours 28 minutes 33 seconds ago

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CNLiberal:

nevermind

[04:03:03]

CNLiberal:

i figured it out

[04:03:15]

CNLiberal:

don't know why the guy uses his own mplayer config file

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CNLiberal:

and not a setting already in the database

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CNLiberal:

but, whatever

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mzb_d800:

jams: screenshots http://www.users.on.net/~marcusbrutus/20080901%20my_OSDmenu/

[04:19:48]

mzb_d800:

Bands shown do not represent my taste in music ;P

[04:20:05]

mzb_d800:

dm ... demo only ;)

[04:21:38]

CNLiberal:

what's wrong with AC/DC?

[04:21:40]

CNLiberal:

nothing, that's what

[04:21:59]

CNLiberal:

i wasn't following, what's the screenshots for?

[04:22:41]

mzb_d800:

agree with ACDC ... ignore the rest ;)

[04:23:10]

mzb_d800:

osdMenu for controlling xine playlist of music videos

[04:23:17]

CNLiberal:

really...that's kinda tits

[04:24:08]

mzb_d800:

?

[04:24:13]

CNLiberal:

tits = good

[04:24:17]

mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

thx

[04:24:27]

CNLiberal:

when aren't tits good?

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CNLiberal:

haha

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mzb_d800:

would be better if != bash ... but ok as proof of concept

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mzb_d800:

yeah, guess you're right ;)

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mzb_d800:

music videos are now becoming the preferred option for ${WOMAN}

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CNLiberal:

interesting, as i find them completely pointless

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mzb_d800:

so being able to control choice (rather than just random) is better

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CNLiberal:

not ${WOMAN} but music videos

[04:26:00]

mzb_d800:

:)

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CNLiberal:

MTV == pointless

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mzb_d800:

she prefers to put the music videos on than any other choice ... and then do her housework (etc)

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mzb_d800:

same as putting on a CD if you like

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CNLiberal:

not really,

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mzb_d800:

I've also found them great for parties

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CNLiberal:

but i can respect someone wanting to do that

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CNLiberal:

now that i can get behind

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mzb_d800:

particularly on the big RPTV downstairs ;))

[04:27:33]

CNLiberal:

makes sense

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CNLiberal:

i wonder what other cool shit i can put in the OSD of mplayer

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mzb_d800:

being able to skip the current song is all very well .. but being able to solve "Have you got any ****" is a real bonus

[04:28:10]

CNLiberal:

or..ANYTHING for that matter

[04:28:29]

CNLiberal:

like what I'm watching, sans path, position, #of audio streams, # of subtitle streams

[04:28:39]

CNLiberal:

that's pretty sweet

[04:28:44]

CNLiberal:

but i think i should get some sleep

[04:28:55]

CNLiberal:

i've spent all day on IRC trying to get my FE (FrontEnd) perfect

[04:29:01]

CNLiberal:

and it's getting much closer

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mzb_d800:

you have to do nasty tricks with killing/restarting daemons if you want to reuse keys

[04:29:31]

CNLiberal:

there's got to be some commands I can feed mplayer through LIRC

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mzb_d800:

seen my script? not sure if mplayer does it the same way

[04:30:01]

mzb_d800:

but osd is another story

[04:30:28]

CNLiberal:

i have not

[04:30:47]

CNLiberal:

i just thought about pressing the INFO button on my remote to display useful info

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mzb_d800:

http://fastpaste.net/148/

[04:31:04]

mzb_d800:

irexec

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mzb_d800:

btw, I'm not .us, so no MTV here ... non stop music videos on weekend nights

[04:32:05]

mzb_d800:

http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/

[04:32:56]

CNLiberal:

and where do you get your music videos in decent quality (mostly audio quality)?

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mzb_d800:

dvb-t

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mzb_d800:

mpeg2+ac3 all the way!

[04:33:29]

CNLiberal:

so you just record them

[04:33:39]

CNLiberal:

yeah, i don't have the sweet ass digital like u guys have

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CNLiberal:

the US decided (in it's infinite wisdom) to attempt to create a new standard

[04:34:03]

CNLiberal:

when there were plenty out there already

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mzb_d800:

and with combination of playlist published in advance + little script for cutting = getting really easy to increase collection

[04:34:12]

mzb_d800:

got >800 songs now

[04:34:16]

mzb_d800:

>50 hrs?

[04:34:20]

CNLiberal:

how big is a typical song?

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mzb_d800:

200MB uncompressed?

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mzb_d800:

haven't compressed mine yet

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CNLiberal:

pretty big for 4 minutes of music

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mzb_d800:

~116GB total

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CNLiberal:

MPG2 at 200MB?

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CNLiberal:

am I incorrect?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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CNLiberal:

ok

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mzb_d800:

records at about 1MB/sec

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mzb_d800:

(just under)

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CNLiberal:

but i thought you weren't compressing them?

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mzb_d800:

nope

[04:37:05]

mzb_d800:

they are "as recorded" from DVB-T

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CNLiberal:

the US is in dire need of Copyright policy redux

[04:37:12]

CNLiberal:

right

[04:37:16]

CNLiberal:

but one song is 200MB?

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mzb_d800:

oh .. 200–300 ... something in that order

[04:37:56]

CNLiberal:

i have videos that are 45minutes long with AC3 dolby surround (3 channels) that are that size

[04:37:59]

CNLiberal:

what's the difference?

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CNLiberal:

you have 5.1?

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iamlindoro:

CNLiberal, 200–300 minutes @ 200MB is horribly horribly compressed

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mzb_d800:

no ... and I suspect they're NOT transmitted in Dolby as I doubt the ABC is licensed to transmit ... not sure about that one

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iamlindoro:

our digital is on par with what mzb_d800 is saying, an SD program is commonly a few gigs an hour

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CNLiberal:

yes, but he's saying that one song (about 4 minutes) is 200MB

[04:39:18]

CNLiberal:

that doesn't make sense to me

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iamlindoro:

yes, 4 minuts at 200 MB is perfectly normal

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iamlindoro:

even here

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iamlindoro:

(when tuning digitally)

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CNLiberal:

ok

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mzb_d800:

I'm fairly sure it's mpeg2 + AC3

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mzb_d800:

(mostly)

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CNLiberal:

so my episodes of ST:DS9 that are 375MB and 45 mins long?

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iamlindoro:

4 min = 200, 40 = 2000, 60 = 3000, about par for the course

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mzb_d800:

low res?

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CNLiberal:

i guess they are pretty compressed

[04:40:32]

CNLiberal:

but they look decent

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iamlindoro:

and high compression

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iamlindoro:

compressed by some a-hole for distribution on the internet

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iamlindoro:

decent to you != decent to everyone

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mzb_d800:

not compared to 720x576

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CNLiberal:

it's just I have a user at work who has a 45 min file that's 6GB

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mzb_d800:

(PAL)

[04:41:22]

CNLiberal:

i've (on and off) looked for a way to highly compress it

[04:41:28]

CNLiberal:

but can't get it under 1GB

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CNLiberal:

so i guess i have mUCH more reading to do

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iamlindoro:

That's because you're likely not well enough versed in encoder options

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mzb_d800:

reduce res + bandwidth?

[04:42:27]

iamlindoro:

+ two pass + choosing the right codec + etc.

[04:42:38]

mzb_d800:

sure I could reduce mine ... and that would be fine for the SD screens I've got now ... but I worry about when I finally move to an HD screen ... all the videos will look worse than crap (rather than just "under-par")

[04:42:46]

CNLiberal:

must definitely not...

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iamlindoro:

They will

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CNLiberal:

very good point

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CNLiberal:

i'm just limited by HDD space

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CNLiberal:

ha

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CNLiberal:

and cash

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mzb_d800:

hence not compressing them now

[04:43:19]

mzb_d800:

I'd prefer to lose movies than lose my music ;)

[04:43:29]

CNLiberal:

haha

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mzb_d800:

WAF+++++

[04:43:39]

CNLiberal:

too bad you can't open an FTP site

[04:43:39]

CNLiberal:

haha

[04:44:02]

mzb_d800:

not interested in taking what others have stolen

[04:44:03]

mzb_d800:

;)

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mzb_d800:

this is MY collection ;)

[04:44:28]

mzb_d800:

and as we pay for our bandwidth ... I'd prefer not to waste it ;)

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mzb_d800:

(10GB / mth)

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CNLiberal:

oh really...

[04:45:12]

CNLiberal:

that's interesting

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mzb_d800:

island continent

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CNLiberal:

Comcast in the US said that come October1, they are capping everyone to 250GB

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CNLiberal:

i'm not thrilled

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mzb_d800:

undersea cables cost big money

[04:45:59]

CNLiberal:

i doubt all the fibres in those cables are lit anyways

[04:46:00]

CNLiberal:

BUT

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Dagmar:

CNLiberal: 8Gb of porno a night should be plenty

[04:46:07]

CNLiberal:

it is expensive to light them up, no doubt

[04:46:17]

CNLiberal:

@Dagmar: Maybe for a noob

[04:46:17]

CNLiberal:

heheh

[04:46:19]

CNLiberal:

JK

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CNLiberal:

i'm just thinking when shows in the US come back for the season

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CNLiberal:

i usually download episodes (mostly because my encoding/compression skillz are severly lacking)

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iamlindoro:

That talk is off limits here

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mzb_d800:

being summoned ... bbl

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CNLiberal:

i can record them on my tuners, but....oh ok

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iamlindoro:

We build myth boxes to *avoid* that kind of thing

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CNLiberal:

i won't argue with the rules, but will say i keep it to "legal in my mind" if i can record them, i can download a copy that comes from a recording in my mind

[04:48:14]

CNLiberal:

that being said

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CNLiberal:

i'm off to bed

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CNLiberal:

thanks for the help guys!

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iamlindoro:

I'm sure his cellmate will keep their special relationship legal in his mind too

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clever:

lol

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Dagmar:

Hey there NotLarry

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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clever:

i had downloaded one of the matrix movies years ago, but i now own a copy of the dvd

[04:49:35]

clever:

in the end i did properly pay for the movie

[04:49:47]

clever:

after the price droped

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mzb_d800:

I like to leave bandwidth for important stuff like browsing, eBay and software

[04:58:49]

clever:

i can easily configure my unmentionable download program to leave 50kb/sec free for those things

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mzb_d800:

oh .. and remote *stuff*

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... I prefer to make my life simpler (in that respect)

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mzb_d800:

I do have a vm for that ... but rarely use it

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clever:

i just run it in its own Xvnc4 server so i can restart the tvout when needed without stoping it

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clever:

and to ease the remote control od downloads

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[R]:

mythtv has the option to upmix the audio... is that going to be better or worse than my dolby prologic?

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Dagmar:

If your reciever supports upmixing on it's own, give it a shot

[06:05:18]

[R]:

my receiver does... dolby prologic

[06:05:23]

[R]:

i want to know if myth's would be better or worse

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Dagmar:

That depends on if you like whatever the hell "prologic" is

[06:09:36]

Dagmar:

From what I know, it's not going to do a damn thing because the source track has to be dolby-encoded first

[06:09:46]

Dagmar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Pro_Logic

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[R]:

no

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[R]:

it turns my regular analog stereo 2.0 into 5.1

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[R]:

its magic

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Dagmar:

That's upmixing.

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Upmixing is not complex.

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[R]:

yes but what i'm saing it

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Dagmar:

Dig a bit on the wiki and you'll see the result of me at the end of about five hours of frustrating research on how to coerce ALSA into doing it to all output

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[R]:

but is myth's gonna be better or wose

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Dagmar:

That's up to you and your ears

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Dagmar:

The original recording being in mere stereo will have no way of indicating any affinity for rear or center channels

[06:17:37]

Dagmar:

Either method, myths, or your stereos, is going to be basically making the whole thing up

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Dagmar:

Myths at least just mirrors the outputs, and since it's not trying to do anything fancy, it can't very well fuck it up.

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[R]:

oh if it just a mirror

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[R]:

than prologic is better

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Dagmar:

What do you think "upmixing", that magic word I've said a few times now (and you, too) means?

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[R]:

when i'm playing somethingwith stereo 2.0 going into my receiver... th dolby prologic does some magic stuff... and based on hte frequency or something like that of the different sounds coming out the speakers... it puts different things in the front vs rear speakers

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Dagmar:

Which can fuck up

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Dagmar:

So, again, it's entirely what you think about what you're hearing that matters.

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Dagmar:

They're not comparable methods tho.

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Dagmar:

So neither can particularly be "better" than the other

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Dagmar:

...but one of them can be worse.

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clever:

crap

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clever:

one of my transcodes imploded

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clever:

original and .tmp are missing

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clever:

only trace of the recording is the recorded entry and a lonely .png

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SQLDb:

I'm trying to use two mythfrontends, and, one mythbackend, and, I've set up the database settings on my secondary frontend, however, when it starts, it can't speak to the backend. It's definately trying localhost, is there a setting I've missed somewhere?

[08:24:14]

directhex:

wait... what?

[08:24:45]

directhex:

you "set up the database settings"? you only have ONE database, yes?

[08:24:51]

SQLDb:

Correct

[08:25:00]

directhex:

and all frontends have different hostnames?

[08:25:06]

SQLDb:

I have it connecting to the database on the backend machine.

[08:25:27]

SQLDb:

The backend does have a frontend on it as well, and, I'm also trying to conenct a frontend on another machine to it.

[08:25:37]

SQLDb:

(And, yes, they have seperate hostnames)

[08:25:58]

directhex:

is your mysql configured to serve via a network-accessible IP? default in some distros is to serve only on 127.0.0.1

[08:26:10]

SQLDb:

This second client, is telling me it can't connect to the backend server (but, it does seem to be able to read the db), and, the logs indicate that it's trying to connect to a backend on 127.0.0.1

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SQLDb:

Yes, I can connect to the DB from the second frontend, and, do whatever I like.

[08:26:53]

directhex:

and the backend is also set to serve on a network-accessible address (page 1 of mythtv-setup)?

[08:27:04]

SQLDb:

Yes.

[08:27:21]

SQLDb:

The second frontend, is looking for a backend on 127.0.0.1 however, and, I'm not seeing where to change that.

[08:27:33]

SQLDb:

e.g. "2008-09–01 04:21:06.046 Connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 (try 1 of 5)"

[08:27:54]

directhex:

delete the config changes you made on your frontend, and pastebin your entire frontend log. it should autodiscover, unless you have a (wrong) config somewhere

[08:28:48]

SQLDb:

It's pretty clearly able to hit that machine... 2008-09–01 04:20:14.183 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: 192.168.1.3

[08:28:59]

SQLDb:

Alright. I'll nuke ~/.mythtv and restart

[08:30:41]

SQLDb:

I am getting a warning about "No UPnP backends found"

[08:31:02]

directhex:

hm

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directhex:

trying to find the correct bit of the mysql db to check...

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** SQLDb goes to pastebin **

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SQLDb:

http://mythfoo.pastebin.com/d6880ae36 is the complete log, from the point where I deleted ~/.mythtv

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SQLDb:

additionally, I seem to be able to hit that port from this machine. http://mythfoo.pastebin.com/d2628ce12

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mzb_d800:

sounds like frontend #1 is set to look for it's BE on 127.0.0.1 rather than the lan IP

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mzb_d800:

which means that FE#2 tries the same thing

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SQLDb:

mzb_d800: hmm, that makes sense, actually, and, is how it's set up :P

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directhex:

connect to the mysql database, and run "select * from settings where value = "backendserverip";"

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SQLDb:

This second FE was an afterthought, and I'm using one of those myth distros *shudder*

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directhex:

then again for masterserverip

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mzb_d800:

and/or MasterServerIP

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SQLDb:

yep. 127.0.0.1

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directhex:

and if either is 127.0.0.1 i shoot you in the face, since i already told you to check that at 09:28

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mzb_d800:

you probably want to stop your BE and run mythtv-setup on host#1 to correct the ip

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mzb_d800:

*bang*

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mzb_d800:

;)

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SQLDb:

directhex: I thought you meant on the second front end :P Thanks guys

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directhex:

oh you silly twat. what use is mythtv-setup on a frontend? the backend setup app?

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laga:

sphery: if you don't mind, i'll post your xmltv config path patch to the mailing lis.

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laga:

sphery: err, to trac.

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laga:

sphery: but the user will need to add a storage group, right?

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justinh:

meh. I set sys_cams to 8 on this unit but the java junk still thinks it has 16 camera inputs

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justinh:

laga: morning btw. hope you're happy I went to bed last night at 3.30am having not been able to resist working on the osd :P

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justinh:

doing work on OSD themes is really the only time livetv ever gets a good workout :D

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robbit:

When attempting to watch tv or select input connections I get this message: ubuntu kernel: [ 7802.450876] tuner-simple 0–004b: i2c i/o error: rc == -5 (should be 4). How can I overcome this?

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** cesman just saw a commercial for EVE online, which states it is available for Linux **

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justinh:

damn. guy at work said he picked up a Hauppauge USB dvb-t tuner for under a tenner

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justinh:

whoah.. "Hauppage 0914 – USB TV Stick – £4.957 :-O Question is, is that a worky one in linux or a wonky one?

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justinh:

reserved one to pick up on the way home tonight :)

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laga:

justinh: of course :)

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Dibblah:

Stick antennas are great things. Tiny form factor.

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Dibblah:

Of course, you need a mobile TV.

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Dibblah:

... Since they don't build houses within 50 meters of the TV transmitters.

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quicksilver:

you can get DVB-T on phones :P

[12:28:25]

directhex:

dvb-h.

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laga:

dvb-t

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directhex:

dmb.

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quicksilver:

no, dvb-t as I said.

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quicksilver:

strange though it may be.

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sid3windr:

frakked up.

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directhex:

i want dvb-c on a mobile.

[12:29:16]

sid3windr:

also, I'm too close to the dvb-t antenna nearby

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sid3windr:

so I can't get a lock

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sid3windr:

wtf.

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quicksilver:

http://www.mobilegazette.com/lg-kb770-08x08x28.htm

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justinh:

anyway that 'usb tv tuner' was actually just an aerial. stupid pc world

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laga:

an usb aerial?

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justinh:

no, just an aerial

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sid3windr:

:|

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justinh:

my Dad got a USB dvb-t tuner incredibly cheap from somewhere he knows. I think I'll try it on my laptop this weekend & see if it works in linux. If yes I'll bag myself one

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laga:

i should get myself one, maybe for development with virtualbox

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justinh:

hokees. time to test the CID on this OSD

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** justinh wonders what 'basedialog' is all about in osd.xml **

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directhex:

it's like base jumping

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sid3windr:

bassdialog

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justinh:

hrm. this might be the 'you have reached the end of yada yada' type thing

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justinh:

probably not one I can test over vnc :P

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gbee:

justinh: popup menu thingy for things like "A recording is about to start, do you want to: Watch as it records, Exit, Cancel recording" etc

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justinh:

testing this stuff is such a ballache

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justinh:

I think I just found my impetus to do something about it

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gbee:

"Delete this recording?" – "Yes, and allow re-record", "Yes, delete it", "No, keep it, I changed my mind"

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justinh:

had 'fun' with the cutpoint markers again last night. why won't they just effing go where they're put?

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stuporglue:

I'm ripping a bunch of home videos to watch from within MythVideo. About how many gigs per hour should they be taking up? They're getting ripped as DV and are about 12 G/hour which seems awfully high since they're just standard def VHS tapes.

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gbee:

justinh: I've not had a problem with them since janneg took a look

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directhex:

about 2 gig per hour for decent standard def tv

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directhex:

in theory DVD is up to 4.5 gig per hour absolute max

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quicksilver:

quite possible to get down to 0.5 gig and still be perfectly watchable

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justinh:

gbee: maybe it depends on the shapes you use

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quicksilver:

depends on your taste / requirements.

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stuporglue:

So I should be re-encoding the DV into some other format then. What format should I save it in?

[13:04:45]

quicksilver:

mpeg or x.264

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directhex:

x264 is an encoder

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justinh:

h.264 2-pass encoding at around 1mbit/sec

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directhex:

an encoder which makes mpeg, no less

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gbee:

mpeg2 or mpeg4, maybe h.264 if your frontend is fast enough to comfortably decode SD h.264

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quicksilver:

indeed. apologies for my inaccurate speech.

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justinh:

you might want to deinterlace it too

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quicksilver:

by 'mpeg' I meant mpeg2, and by x.264 I meant 'mpeg4/H.264'

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justinh:

cropping the VHS captures is probably a good idea too, since the bottom few lines are almost always junk

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justinh:

and the sides. and the top

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gbee:

stop when you have a 1" square left

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justinh:

infact you could probably just halve the resolution & not notice a drop in quality

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justinh:

VHS machines are generally only capable of about 250–260 lines or so anyway

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directhex:

by design

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stuporglue:

How would I go about cropping it? With mencoder or something?

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revolution`:

heya, how do i turn deinterlacing off, i can't find the option

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justinh:

can you see the end of your own nose?

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stuporglue:

Thank you for the help everyone

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justinh:

utils/setup > setup > tv > playback > page 3. edit the video profiles & select 'none' for the deinterlacer on the 2nd page therein

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justinh:

or you can temporarily disable it via the OSD menu

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justinh:

(video scan type)

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justinh:

gawd no. not more distractions. I don't want to even think about the video playback profiles menus now

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gbee:

anyone know of a nice app for splitting up a single mp3 into multiple files?

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justinh:

mp3 splitter :)

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justinh:

or maybe audacity, but that won't be lossless

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gbee:

hmm, mp3splt? seems to be what I'm after

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justinh:

or if you feel masochistic, MP3::Split :D

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justinh:

er MP3::Splitter

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gbee:

ooh! care to build that into your dvb->mp3 export script?

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revolution`:

my output on my tv is split into 2 and is fuzzy and jerky i think it may be a deinterlacing issue but with so many options not quite sure where to start

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justinh:

gbee: in what way?

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justinh:

revolution`: well, if you're dealing with interlaced TV on a PC – whatever means you're outputting to the TV by – you need to deinterlace the played back video

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gbee:

justinh: well not sure how well it would work, but user would stick bookmarks (multiple) in at the split points whilst editing in mfe, then the script would fetch them from the database and split into seperate files at those points

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justinh:

though I've had good results over a nvidia card's (svideo) tv output with the flicker filter turned up half way in nvidia-settings

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justinh:

gbee: I've thought of that myself in the past but I don't have the foggiest about how cutpoint markings relate to time

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revolution`:

i have a ati x1250 and its output is to a lcd tv

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justinh:

gbee: I've also considered making a script to cut video files up that way too but been put off for the same reason

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gbee:

justinh: pretty simple really, they mark frames so a simple cutpoint/framerate=time

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revolution`:

if its digital tv i don't need to deinterlace it, is that correct?

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justinh:

revolution`: you definitely need to deinterlace interlaced material

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justinh:

not all digital tv is progressive

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revolution`:

ok

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gbee:

justinh: well it's just an idea, no pressue, chances are that I might eventually built the functionality directly into mythtranscode

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justinh:

mythtv is good at detecting when deinterlacing is needed

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justinh:

revolution`: experiment with which deinterlacing method works best for you

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revolution`:

ok

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justinh:

if indeed the problem is interlacing artifacts, not one of the notorious ATI 'double video' bugs

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justinh:

like seeing 2 squished up copies of the video – one on top of the other

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gbee:

I'm happy with Linear Blend on my x1250 and HDMI out

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gbee:

Catalyst 8.4 drivers

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justinh:

gbee: I've even thought about making it possible to play a short snippet of audio during editing – not scrubbing but enough to help find silences

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gbee:

hmm, 8.8 should be out by now, lets find out what goodies they've included

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gbee:

justinh: well there you are thinking like a pro

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justinh:

since we do a little bit of reencoding it'd be nifty to be able to fade cutpoints too :D

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revolution`:

justinh, if i view it from vnc it seems fine but lags obviosuly because its vnc, but on the tv its got two pictures that split the screen

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justinh:

that's probably outside my capability though

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justinh:

revolution`: what do you mean? like moving images have artifacts which look like the teeth of a comb?

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revolution`:

that plus there is a copy of what is playing side by side

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gbee:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . icket/194695

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justinh:

sounds like a video driver issue, not an interlacing artifact

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revolution`:

it could be

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gbee:

so quite a lot of new features :D

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justinh:

gbee: file not found :(

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revolution`:

its multiple links in 1

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gbee:

ahh bugger, it's my autoreplace on ticket numbers ;)

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gbee:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.a . . . 8_linux.html

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revolution`:

thanks for your help btw

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justinh:

heh. seems that after we took our dog to my wife's boss' BBQ on Saturday, some people have become converts

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laga:

justinh: they stopped eating dog food?

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quicksilver:

what did you have with it? HP smokey barbecue sauce?

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laga:

s/food/meat/

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quicksilver:

dog kebabs++

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gbee:

seems I'll be waiting for 8.9 or so, stability suffers a little in 8.8 as a consequence of all the new features

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gbee:

plus 8.4 just works aside from a very minor tearing issue in high motion video, so there is nothing to be gained from upgrading until that issue gets fixed

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justinh:

hmmm just not seeing the osd menu over this connection

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ivor:

has anyone played with those little portable DVB-T USB sticks at all?

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mzb_d800:

I have an asus one

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mzb_d800:

ie: yes ivor, I have

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mzb_d800:

I think it was the model marketed as "perfect for eeepc"

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ivor:

was it any good or a complete waste of time and effort?

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justinh:

heh. no errors reported from the osd parser when fonts aren't defined

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gbee:

that reminds me, still need to get this VPN setup before I go away next week

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mzb_d800:

ivor: it works ok ... I think PCI latency issues are probably what plagues the USB tuners (in hindsight)

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justinh:

I think USB is what plagues USB tuners

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mzb_d800:

the quality is reasonable ... probably on par with the cheaper PCI tuners (I don't have any expensive ones to compare them to;)

[14:10:19]

justinh:

I dunno if I could rely on one

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ivor:

justinh: yeah just thinking of a toy to play with/ pop into the aspire one.

[14:11:05]

justinh:

silicon tuners are probably as good as those on most PCI cards, probably better than early nova-t types

[14:11:07]

mzb_d800:

I've got an external K-World USB which is quite good except that it doesn't like the host being reset under certain conditions

[14:11:07]

gbee:

video quality shouldn't be any different to the most expensive models, but I assume you mean hardware quality

[14:11:41]

justinh:

wouldn't expect much from the supplied aerials unless you're A) outside B) near a mast and C) not moving

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mzb_d800:

the ASUS mini USB was probably slightly harder to deal with ... but quality ok

[14:11:56]

mzb_d800:

video quality

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ivor:

gbee: well the little dongles come with little mini aerials... just wondered do they actually work given how big an aerial you normally need to get good dvb-t

[14:12:03]

gbee:

I might invest in a usb tuner for the aspire one at some point

[14:12:11]

mzb_d800:

forget the mini aerials

[14:12:32]

justinh:

ivor: at LRL last year there was a guy with a stick aerial who managed to pull in a good signal

[14:12:56]

gbee:

see, if the mini aerials don't really work then there isn't much pointer in getting a USB tuner

[14:13:04]

ivor:

gbee: exactly. :)

[14:13:05]

gbee:

but justinh is right, it is possible

[14:13:06]

justinh:

we had my big 'proper' aerial which just about managed to get most of the muxes – it performed about the same

[14:13:16]

mzb_d800:

unless you're living close enough to a transmitter that a piece of wet string would work

[14:13:19]

ivor:

justinh: ah ok ta.

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justinh:

be no good for very built-up areas I expect

[14:13:54]

justinh:

cities at street level etc, forget it

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gbee:

and the situation will improve following the analogue switch off, they will increase the power on the DVB signals something like 5–6x current levels

[14:14:10]

justinh:

I thought it was more like 10x generally

[14:14:10]

mzb_d800:

digital VHF aerials are easy to build

[14:14:19]

justinh:

UHF in the UK

[14:14:22]

justinh:

all UHF

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gbee:

justinh: well we were inside a building, in a built up area, in the middle of a city ... so not so bad really

[14:14:41]

justinh:

and nobody wants to carry even a little yagi around :P

[14:14:44]

mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/buil . . . gital-aerial

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mzb_d800:

ah .. well same principle ... smaller elements ;)

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gbee:

justinh: maybe 10x, I'm just recalling something that I read recently but that might have been talking about a specific transmitter or mux

[14:15:32]

justinh:

yeah but I doubt even a UHF version of your DIY jobby would be portable enough ;)

[14:15:53]

mzb_d800:

err... no :)

[14:16:09]

mzb_d800:

didn't include portability as a requirement

[14:16:21]

mzb_d800:

(built to be strong enough for birds;))

[14:16:25]

justinh:

the lengths we have to go to, to get a fair signal in the UK are ludicrous

[14:16:36]

mzb_d800:

(oh ... and Tasmanian wind)

[14:17:23]

justinh:

I'm only like 15 miles as the crow files from the mast but I have something like a 10-element aerial with about 25dB front:back ratio

[14:17:41]

mzb_d800:

iirc, I'm about 6km

[14:17:52]

justinh:

that said, I do get a hoofing great signal though :)

[14:18:07]

justinh:

[14:18:24]

justinh:

when the coax cables aren't shot to bits, that is

[14:21:05]

ivor:

...must try and get mythfrontend up on the one tonight.

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[14:21:24]

ivor:

still haven't got around to it. :/

[14:21:35]

gbee:

>:|

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mzb_d800:

ps: that aerial cost me au$2 ;)) ... for the can of black paint!

[14:23:24]

mzb_d800:

I can see not being able to stick it in your pocket being a real design flaw, though ;)

[14:23:58]

mzb_d800:

on that note I'd better take my aching body to bed ... goodnight all

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gbee:

think I need a car adapter for the One

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justinh:

nighty night

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gbee:

g'night

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justinh:

wooo http://hotukdeals.com/item/236373/7-inch-usb- . . . film-makes-/

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justinh:

ivor: just looking around, seems amazon are doing a kosher Hauppauge stick for £17.99

[14:32:38]

ivor:

gbee: yeah was thinking of lashing up a car adapter for it over the weekend.

[14:33:36]

gbee:

by car adapter I just mean charging right now

[14:33:43]

ivor:

justinh: yeah touchscreen is on my "potential future aspire project list"

[14:33:54]

gbee:

justinh: :( want a 8.9" one for my One

[14:34:07]

ivor:

[14:34:27]

justinh:

that'd be some case mod

[14:34:29]

gbee:

ivor: yeah, I'm waiting for the price to potentially drop

[14:34:43]

ivor:

justinh: it's been done already on the one. not too hard.

[14:35:18]

gbee:

preferably one designed withe the One too since most of them are made with the Eee in mind and you have to do some soldering to get them connected for other devices

[14:35:21]

justinh:

yeah well turning a PC case into a monster from Doom has alreayd been done ;)

[14:36:10]

justinh:

hrm. still seems that to know what you're getting, you can't go bargain basement on the oooosb tv tuner

[14:36:27]

gbee:

quite a few people have now done the AA1 touchscreen mod, but I'm not too handy with a soldering iron and I don't currently fancy spending £50 on it – £25 yes, maybe even £35

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gbee:

justinh: I usually trawl the comments sections of websites like Dabs/Ebuyer to see if some brave soul has tried the cheap stuff out on linux yet

[14:38:27]

ivor:

heh. yeah there's always some brave cheapskate soul who's done it first on linux. :)

[14:38:46]

justinh:

sumvision t3420 here on svp.co.uk. 11 quids

[14:41:52]

justinh:

sumvision t3420 USB DVB-T tuner. do it worky in loonix wif miffyteevee? ANYBODY? :P

[14:42:12]

justinh:

nobody knows?

[14:42:24]

** ivor gives justinh a Paddington stare. **

[14:42:24]

laga:

justinh: www.linuxtv.org

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laga:

:D

[14:42:51]

justinh:

seriously – can't find any evidence of that un... best steer clear. plus with delivery that thing was almost what the real hauppauge one on amazon costs

[14:45:16]

justinh:

we should get free tuners, the number of people we've persuaded to buy Hauppauge

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laga:

ACK

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justinh:

looks like the 2 botom dollar ones on ebuyer.com use supported chipsets :)

[14:51:49]

janneg:

yeah, I just bought a Nova-HD-S2

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janneg:

I think I can start selling Hauppauge remote controls

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ivor:

:)

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justinh:

heh

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x-X-x:

so i need a capture card to use myth tv ?

[14:55:35]

x-X-x:

do*

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justinh:

well, I'm tempted to go for one of these 'own brand' devices. seems all the problems folks have is that they don't have any clue at all

[14:55:47]

janneg:

x-X-x: generally yes

[14:56:07]

Dave321:

x-X-x, to get the full potential of myth, yes

[14:56:10]

x-X-x:

janneg but is there a way i can watch tv without a card ? :P ?

[14:56:20]

justinh:

nope

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Dave321:

x-X-x, no

[14:56:23]

x-X-x:

i dont have one and i cant afford one

[14:56:28]

x-X-x:

dam

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justinh:

well, you have no way to watch TV :)

[14:56:39]

Dave321:

x-X-x, ebay? newegg?

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x-X-x:

do dvb-s cards come with a dish ?

[14:58:07]

iamlindoro:

Nope, not usually

[14:58:07]

justinh:

nope, though I expect some places will sell bundles

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iamlindoro:

And if you're in the USA you can forget that idea outright

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x-X-x:

k

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x-X-x:

what type of card do you recommend ? dvb-t or dvb-c? i live in the uk and use freeview

[15:00:26]

justinh:

dvb-c is no good for freeview

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iamlindoro:

If you live in the UK, then DVB-S or T are likely your best options

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x-X-x:

k thnx dudes

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justinh:

dvb-c is for cable. which again you can't use in the UK without being naughty

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iamlindoro:

if you wanna use freesat, DVB-S, if you want to use your local tower, DVB-T

[15:01:11]

justinh:

just aswell, since there's FA worth watching on pay TV anyway

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x-X-x:

iamlindoro isnt freesat for hd-tv ?

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justinh:

no there's SDTV on freesat too

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justinh:

though no channel five

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iamlindoro:

x-X-x, Freesat includes a couple HD channels, but also has all the SD ones as well

[15:01:56]

x-X-x:

justinh if i do get a card do i have to pay license ?

[15:02:02]

justinh:

yes you do

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iamlindoro:

and yes, you still have to pay

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x-X-x:

omg

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** iamlindoro prides himself on his UK TV knowledge **

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sid3windr:

=)

[15:02:31]

iamlindoro:

after all, I've visited.... twice!

[15:02:35]

justinh:

you technically need a tv licence to watch bbc iplayer & all online uk television

[15:02:57]

** x-X-x curls up in a corner at the thought that he has to dish out cash yearly **

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justinh:

stay tuned to that bitch culture secretary talking about a _computer_ _licence_ ffs

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laga:

justinh: we already have that..

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x-X-x:

justin i dont have pay a licnse and i watch bbc iplayer but i do pay a license for my freview tv in the livingroom

[15:03:44]

justinh:

laga: I don't mean VAT

[15:03:52]

laga:

neither do i

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joecurlee:

hi, when browsing through the program guide my channels appear out of order in some spots, i notice that in mythweb they are sorted correctly

[15:04:17]

justinh:

x-X-x: you DO have to have a TV licence to watch television in the UK

[15:04:27]

joecurlee:

i'm assuming the order by in mythfrontend is wrong... anyone know how to fix this?

[15:04:34]

x-X-x:

justinh i meant i am not paying to watch iplayer

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x-X-x:

is that illegal ?

[15:04:49]

justinh:

x-X-x: the HQ streams are pretty good actually

[15:05:18]

justinh:

tried em on my laptop's TV out the other week. almost as good as freeview

[15:05:42]

justinh:

laga: seriously though – a computer licence?

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x-X-x:

justinh but are you saying i need to pay licnse to watch iplayer ? cos i dont want to use iplayer and then find out i got a £1k fine

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laga:

justinh: if you own a computer (which is connected to the internet), you get to pay GEZ because our public channels have websites and you can stream content from there

[15:06:14]

justinh:

x-X-x: yes you do – technically

[15:06:23]

x-X-x:

justinh loophole ?

[15:06:30]

justinh:

no loophole

[15:06:39]

justinh:

they can't really expect to enforce it though

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x-X-x:

justinh but they dont say on the site so they are fooling users

[15:07:02]

justinh:

and besides, you run more risk of reaching your ISP's download cap :P

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quicksilver:

you don't need a licence to watch iPlayer

[15:07:29]

justinh:

x-X-x: so? it's not the BBC's job to enforce TV licences

[15:07:50]

quicksilver:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2008/0 . . . _a_tv_1.html

[15:08:04]

x-X-x:

justinh what i mean is i am already paying license for the tv in my livingroom and if i do get a capture card do i have to pay license for both ? or does the license i am already paying cover it?

[15:08:20]

justinh:

so hang on – I'm facking PAYING for people who don't pay to be able to watch iPLayer?!

[15:08:27]

quicksilver:

yes, justinh.

[15:08:31]

justinh:

:-O

[15:08:35]

x-X-x:

lol

[15:08:38]

quicksilver:

just like you're paying for people in the US to read news.bbc.co.uk

[15:08:47]

quicksilver:

because it's better than their local news sources.

[15:08:54]

justinh:

I don't care

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x-X-x:

yeh its not as biased XD

[15:09:04]

laga:

what's wrong with fox news?

[15:09:07]

quicksilver:

x-X-x: no, you only need 1 licence per household.

[15:09:23]

quicksilver:

x-X-x: you can have as many tuners and TVs and internet connectiosn in that household as you wish.

[15:09:25]

justinh:

** (more than one clue per household may be necessary)

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x-X-x:

quicksilver thnx dude that was answer i was looking for

[15:09:43]

quicksilver:

I recommend six TVs per room

[15:09:47]

justinh:

in future when you ask a question try to ask the question you want an answer to :P

[15:09:51]

quicksilver:

to get surround sound without buying expensive speakers.

[15:09:59]

x-X-x:

justinh lol soz

[15:10:28]

justinh:

ahh you only need a TVL to watch 'live' streaming TV. jees

[15:10:30]

x-X-x:

quicksilver nice idea now i just need 5k

[15:11:14]

x-X-x:

justinh thnx for telling me about iplayer hq ive been using the standard for about 3 months now

[15:11:29]

justinh:

well, I've gone from not giving a toss about the iplayer from wanting it to be removed from the face of the Earth

[15:11:53]

x-X-x:

huh? why

[15:12:10]

justinh:

because licence fee payers are funding it, and people who don't pay have access to it

[15:12:23]

justinh:

I don't like being taxed when others get off scot free :)

[15:13:02]

x-X-x:

but justin illegal immigrant are coming to this country and your taxes are paying their benefits.. these things just happen

[15:13:20]

justinh:

illegal what? oh you believe The Mail

[15:13:23]

** laga hands out free popcorn **

[15:13:39]

iamlindoro:

x-X-x appears to be from Texas, UK

[15:13:48]

x-X-x:

justin every developed country has atleast 1 illegal immigrant a year

[15:13:51]

laga:

iamlindoro: rotfl

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x-X-x:

lol

[15:14:20]

** iamlindoro suggests a fence and snipers **

[15:14:27]

iamlindoro:

Oh wait you're an island

[15:14:31]

iamlindoro:

rowboats and snipers

[15:14:33]

x-X-x:

lol

[15:14:36]

laga:

i suggest more cameras

[15:14:40]

laga:

oh wait, it's the UK

[15:14:46]

ivor:

sharks with frickin' lasers....

[15:14:49]

justinh:

laga: yeah, we need MOAR CAMZ!

[15:14:56]

x-X-x:

dude .. mines .. thats all u need

[15:14:58]

laga:

didn't you guys get a head start when you shot the "terrorist" in the subways? ;)

[15:15:18]

justinh:

laga: I wish it had have been me who shot the guy

[15:15:25]

justinh:

I wouldn't have shot him ;)

[15:15:31]

laga:

ouch

[15:15:32]

laga:

;)

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x-X-x:

laga yeh after you bombed civilians in iraq and afghanistan as an "accident"

[15:15:51]

** ivor sits down next to laga and grabs some popcorn. **

[15:16:13]

laga:

x-X-x: last time i checked my country wasn't involved in iraq ;)

[15:16:23]

x-X-x:

laga u american ?

[15:16:31]

x-X-x:

i thought u were :P

[15:16:36]

justinh:

hmm that could've been taken the wrong way. I meant it to be like I wouldn't have been so hasty with the gun, kinda thing ;)

[15:16:54]

justinh:

.de is not in the USA, last time I looked at a map

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directhex:

that's the irc assumption. the guy who disagrees with you is a yank, because you're the only civilised non-yank on irc

[15:17:03]

directhex:

isn't that right, iamlindoro

[15:17:33]

justinh:

I've yet to see evidence of red neck hick types on IRC at all tbh

[15:17:44]

iamlindoro:

Sorry, didn't hear you, was in my lifted pickup installing the new gun rack

[15:17:55]

justinh:

plenty thick people, sure.. not many bigoted fascist types round here

[15:18:09]

x-X-x:

directhax i didnt mean it that way

[15:19:13]

iamlindoro:

I like ponies

[15:19:52]

x-X-x:

pie is good

[15:20:02]

directhex:

yay, ponies! ^_^

[15:20:13]

directhex:

just keep them away from the french

[15:20:18]

directhex:

the french eat ponies for fun

[15:21:21]

gbee:

just one more country to insult and then we'll all set for world war three

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directhex:

fuck belgium.

[15:22:09]

iamlindoro:

You know who is filled with raging child molesters? Russia

[15:22:46]

justinh:

not Vatican City? :-O

[15:22:59]

iamlindoro:

them too

[15:23:00]

iamlindoro:

heh

[15:23:08]

justinh:

oh no I forgot – they just cover them up

[15:23:11]

iamlindoro:

oh what the feck, let's get them involved too

[15:23:22]

gbee:

the French have just surrendered

[15:23:26]

iamlindoro:

I enjoy the idea of soldiers fighting guys in pantaloons

[15:23:45]

justinh:

we're down. shot by the USA. friendly fire :-\

[15:24:06]

directhex:

despite the "surrendered" meme, the french have made some pretty badass military moves in the past

[15:24:12]

directhex:

of course, others have been more badass

[15:24:15]

x-X-x:

whats the best dvb-t? and i am not trolling i just want to save myself of hours of research

[15:24:21]

gbee:

ditto for the Candians, Australians, well everyone including themselves

[15:24:22]

x-X-x:

dvb-t card *

[15:24:24]

justinh:

directhex: yeah they destroyed almost as much of China as we did

[15:24:37]

directhex:

justinh, and algeria!

[15:24:50]

** iamlindoro 's mom is algerian **

[15:24:52]

justinh:

the best dvb-t card would be one which works in linux

[15:25:05]

directhex:

justinh, and other sections of africa, for good measure

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sid3windr:

x-X-x: we'll gladly do the hours of research for you!

[15:25:19]

x-X-x:

justinh good to hear cos i only use linux

[15:25:31]

justinh:

give me money & I'll test them for you aswell :D

[15:25:42]

iamlindoro:

If only there was some sort of linux tv organization

[15:25:48]

x-X-x:

sed3windr u dont have to cos i am asking your wealth of capture card knowledge

[15:25:54]

iamlindoro:

but if there was, I can't imagine what the web site would be

[15:25:56]

justinh:

yeah they could have a URL like www.tvlinux.org

[15:26:19]

sid3windr:

doesn't really matter.

[15:26:22]

iamlindoro:

and if only said org had a user-editable system wherein the working cards were listed

[15:26:24]

sid3windr:

they'd surely need a WIKI

[15:26:48]

justinh:

maybe linuxtv.org would be a better url, since it'd be for tv on linux

[15:26:57]

directhex:

wiki wiki waa waa

[15:26:59]

iamlindoro:

oooh, good one, lock it down immediately

[15:27:03]

directhex:

wiki wiki waa waa west

[15:27:07]

gbee:

x-X-x: Nova-T, Nova-T 500, LR6550 (Leadtek) are just three of the 50 or so DVB-T cards which work under linux – chances are you can spend 50% what a Nova-T costs and still get a card which works, or not but the list is pretty long

[15:27:26]

x-X-x:

gbee thnx dude

[15:27:45]

** x-X-x runs of to ebay **

[15:27:45]

gbee:

seems someone has already taken linuxtv.org, damn domain squatters

[15:27:49]

justinh:

hell even Maplin sell tuner cards wot work on loonix

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iamlindoro:

hippie bastards

[15:28:13]

justinh:

ah well

[15:28:17]

iamlindoro:

oh jeez, look, they've even set up a site so that it looks like people expect

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justinh:

:-O

[15:28:41]

justinh:

will they stop at nothing?

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gbee:

x-X-x: it's probably easier to pick 3/4 cards in your price range then see which ones are supported, than having us guess what might or might not be in your price range and available

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justinh:

trying to con people into installing their free 'open source' software I'll wager, too

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x-X-x:

k price range: £1 – £50 ? :P

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iamlindoro:

Looks like they try to trick you into installing this "hg"

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iamlindoro:

Sheesh, they even misspelled "cvs!"

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gbee:

but hg is the chemical symbol for mercury, a deadly toxin! How dastardly!

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x-X-x:

are blackgold cards good or overrated ?

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justinh:

x-X-x: £50 can buy you at least 2 dvb-t tuner cards these days

[15:31:16]

justinh:

x-X-x: depends on the chipset used, etc

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x-X-x:

justinh and i typed up that price range as a joke ..

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x-X-x:

good to know

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gbee:

second hand you might get three for £50

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justinh:

apparently the LR6650 card (I have 3 of those too) is very much like a Blackgold dvb-t tuner – they're clones apparently

[15:32:23]

justinh:

never had any trouble with mine

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x-X-x:

k now how about a dvb-t for linux and for a laptop w/ usb's and a expresscard 54 slot ?

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** gbee is still pleased with his £15 Nova-S **

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justinh:

and all were < £20 each onebay

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justinh:

*on ebay

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justinh:

combined price would be about £40 I think, bought separately

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justinh:

not many bargains left on ebay though :(

[15:33:10]

x-X-x:

i stopped using desktops a year ago and only use lappy's now

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justinh:

so you need a USB tuner then

[15:33:26]

gbee:

you'll want usb

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directhex:

i think the linuxtv wiki mensions some expresscard stuff, no?

[15:33:39]

x-X-x:

they good? or does usb mean lower bandwidth ?

[15:33:46]

justinh:

since fitting a PCI tuner card requires extensive modifications

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directhex:

x-X-x, how much bandwidth do you think you need?

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x-X-x:

directhex i knwo nothing about capture cards :S so i ask you gurus

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justinh:

a whole freeview multiplex with 8 TV channels is still only 34mbits/sec or something

[15:34:22]

sid3windr:

USB = U Suck Bandwidth!

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sid3windr:

justinh: if his laptops are anything like clever's they 'll only feature usb1 ;)

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gbee:

so usb2 is a clever retort then?

[15:35:02]

directhex:

x-X-x, usb2 is 480mbit.

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justinh:

I hope that nobody's hardware is anything like clever's but clever's

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directhex:

per host controller, i should add

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sid3windr:

gbee: heh, apparently =p

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justinh:

oh look – a 12V battery.. 12 million microvolt cells tagged together

[15:36:16]

gbee:

if his laptop is anything like clever's then it won't have any ports at all, just a hole to let the hamsters in and out

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x-X-x:

directhex i have usb2 but is 480mbit enough ? i am planning on getting a lappy with a hd card in 6 months howmuch bandwidth will freesat hd take ?

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justinh:

rofl

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directhex:

x-X-x, how fast do your think your laptop hard disk is?

[15:36:37]

x-X-x:

lol

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justinh:

how big do you think HDTV bitrates are?

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x-X-x:

k

[15:36:53]

x-X-x:

dunno

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justinh:

<18Mbits/sec

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directhex:

justinh, 481 mbit!

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x-X-x:

o.o

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x-X-x:

i thought they were like 1gig

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iamlindoro:

How long is a piece of string?

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x-X-x:

a sec

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x-X-x:

boom

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gbee:

BBC HD averages around 16–17Mbits/s

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directhex:

x-X-x, ever heard of video compression?

[15:37:52]

x-X-x:

y

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x-X-x:

wow i didnt know capture cards could be as big as a usb pen drive

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sid3windr:

comWHAT?

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x-X-x:

guess i am a noob

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justinh:

USB TV tuners which were as big as houses never really took off

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justinh:

too heavy, see

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x-X-x:

hehe

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justinh:

now they can be as good as you can throw them

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directhex:

x-X-x, be reasonable. consider the transfer media, and things like disk bandwidth

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x-X-x:

a few cars have dual tuner infront of their names is dual tuner worht it ?

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directhex:

x-X-x, 1080p 24fps deep-color video would be 2.3 gigabit per second. how can you transmit that?

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x-X-x:

cards*

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justinh:

x-X-x: having more than one tuner is a good thing for some. you decide

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justinh:

the less you watch live, the more useful it is to have more than one tuner

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x-X-x:

justin but what is it for ? watching to tv channels at once ?

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x-X-x:

two*

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** justinh records everything he watches, so he doesn't have to schedule his life around tv schedules **

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directhex:

x-X-x, recording more than one thing at once? or watching and recording simultaneously?

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x-X-x:

oh ok then i do want dual

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justinh:

I dunno. DO YOU?

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justinh:

good idea to check they're supported in linux though.. dual dvb-t tuners are rare enough

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** sphery is pretty certain #5660 is a LIRC configuration error on the users's part **

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x-X-x:

k

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x-X-x:

how much disk space will a average 30 minute tv show take up ?

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x-X-x:

if i record

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justinh:

mythtv is always recording, even when you're just watching

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gbee:

SD between 0.5 and 1Gb depending channel and various other factors

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justinh:

freeview is typically around 2GB per hour

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justinh:

it can be more. it can be less

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x-X-x:

good to hear

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justinh:

QVC takes about 0GB per hour on my system

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gbee:

BBC One is the highest bitrate with some one hour shows running to ~2.4Gb, maybe higher – been a while since I checked

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gbee:

you can save a few hundred Mb if you don't record the interative TV streams

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justinh:

wish we could skip the audio desctiption & subtitles

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justinh:

they make up a sizeable chunk of recordings too

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gbee:

we could

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x-X-x:

which are the big players in usb dvb-t cards?

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justinh:

gbee: I've seen the code, might be straight forward but it's another case of ZOMGNO-NOTMOARSETTINGZ

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x-X-x:

i know nova is one

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justinh:

Hauppauge, not Nova

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x-X-x:

k

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justinh:

Hauppauge & Hauppauge are big players

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justinh:

the others are 2-bit, lucky if they work

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x-X-x:

i keep getting linked to blackgold when i type good dvb-t usb in google

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gbee:

justinh: the existing the recording profile setting could just be expanded, may not be as flexible as people might like, but it would avoid additional settings

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iamlindoro:

you should probably refrain from searching with adjectives

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iamlindoro:

"linux dvb-t" would be far wiser

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x-X-x:

k

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sphery:

I really wish we could record the null packets on the streams. We could call it "LiveTV"--after all, most people who use LiveTV aren't really watching anything...

[15:50:51]

iamlindoro:

exception: Sexy bitches

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justinh:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_D . . . _USB_Devices – then find out what's available to buy where you are :)

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justinh:

gbee: might look at that at some point then. along with all the rest of the things I say I'll have a look at :D

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x-X-x:

would a noname dual tuner usb dvb-t card be a better option than a hauppagge stnd usb dvb-t card ?

[15:52:14]

justinh:

x-X-x: depends. is writing device drivers fun do you think?

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justinh:

with noname $anything you stand a fair chance of it not being supported – there's no way to know before you buy it

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x-X-x:

yeh it can be when there is nothing else to do

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justinh:

it'll keep you from watching telly & rotting your brain :D

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x-X-x:

:P

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justinh:

kworld apparently make tuners which work too. I have one of their pci tuners & it's not bad

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justinh:

it's still not a name I'd trust as far as I could throw it though

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sphery:

gbee: I'm really starting to worry about the work you're doing. Making plugins act consistently (within different parts of the plugin among the different plugins and MythTV as a whole) will take a lot of the surprise out of usage. Where's the fun in that?

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justinh:

sphery: rofl

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stuporglue:

I've got several video clips I ripped with iMovie. the 'file' command identifies them as " DIF (DV) movie file (NTSC)" — can I just cat them together to make a single video file?

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gbee:

sphery: :(

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justinh:

sphery: god yeah – next thing you know, stuff like arrow keys & menu buttons will all do the same kind of thing throughout the program. then where will we be?

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justinh:

sphery: AFAIK you can't just cat DV files together

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sphery:

Before long, there won't be a need for #mythtv-users or the mythtv-users mailing list. Then, what would I do with my life?

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stuporglue:

ok

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justinh:

sphery: nah. the more logical & idiot-proof something becomes.. it just attracts a new type of idiot :)

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sphery:

true

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justinh:

hallo. I am nubey. How you move menu bar up down?

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iamlindoro:

Whatever you do you don't use PgUp and PgDn, as Microsoft owns those

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justinh:

wtf? you weren't making that up

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gbee:

ivor: discovered that my AA1 sits quite neatly, end on, in my bookcase – certainly it seems like as good a storage location as any other :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, ah the patent system

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justinh:

wow. slashdot.org – from 'news' to all-out flame war in 6 lines

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AndyCap:

Citizen Snooper

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x-X-x:

k i think im gonna go with wintv-nova-td stick. good idea ?

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justinh:

it's supported, so not a bad idea

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justinh:

not dual tuner though

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justinh:

but it has two aerial sockets :P

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x-X-x:

it says its dual tuner

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justinh:

oh yeah so it is :)

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x-X-x:

and it can be bought for 30 quid :D

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x-X-x:

here i was thinking these cards cost hundreds

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justinh:

heheh

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x-X-x:

tanks a bunch to u all

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justinh:

hence the 'I'm skint & can't possibly afford a tuner' :)

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x-X-x:

yeh :P

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justinh:

"cheaper than Sky Plus".. but then, what isn;t?

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x-X-x:

omg i just read the " pause digital tv " and immediately thought sky plus

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justinh:

where've you seen the td-500 usb stick for 30 quids?

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x-X-x:

ebay.co.uk

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x-X-x:

£25 +£5 post

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justinh:

one on a buy it now for 75 quids! there must be one born every minute

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x-X-x:

65 from same seller

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deebus:

I'm having trouble watching live tv

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deebus:

I choose the "watch live tv" option, and the menu flickers for a brief second, and then nothing happens; I'm still at the main menu

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deebus:

anyone know why that would happen?

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justinh:

look in the backend log

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deebus:

what's the name of that file?

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deebus:

<--total newb

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justinh:

mythbackend.log, usually

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deebus:

I'll have to do a find / -name to find it

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deebus:

oh. simple enough. thx

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deebus:

well shoot. it all of a sudden can't find my capture card

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deebus:

what is that all about?

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gbee:

upgraded your kernel recently? rebooted but it hasn't loaded the kernel module? hardware failed?

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gbee:

card in use by another application and it's currently locked preventing mythbackend from accessing it?

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justinh:

changed hostname?

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gbee:

module is loaded, but the device has changed ids?

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x-X-x:

http://www.slingbox.com/ work with mythtv?

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super6:

if i just need a program to view and record tv on my desktop is myth tv the ideal program for that or is more for HTPC's?

[16:34:40]

deebus:

can someone help me figure out why my capture card has spontaneously stopped working?

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deebus:

dmesg output: http://pastebin.ca/1190603

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deebus:

anybody know why it would just stop working all of a sudden like that?

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Anduin:

deebus: The error message from dmesg seems clear, no proper firmware found

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deebus:

hm. it's odd that it just stopped working all of a sudden. I suppose they must have been deleted somehow

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deebus:

I suppose I could just reinstall via synaptic

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Anduin:

Wow, Palin is going to be a grandmother

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deebus_:

ok, I think I've found the problem. I just updated my kernel

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deebus_:

the file it's looking for is v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

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deebus_:

that's located in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/

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deebus_:

only the `uname -r` part is now not the current kernel version. could I just create a directory under /lib/firmware with the correct kernel version, and copy those drivers into that?

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tank-man:

sure

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Anduin:

deebus_: You could, there is undoubtedly a better way someone knows and will offer shortly

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deebus_:

heh

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tank-man:

i have them in /lib/firmware ,no uname -r part

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deebus_:

yeah, it's weird that this kernel upgrade borked my ivtv drivers. that hasn't happened before

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deebus_:

http://pastebin.ca/1190617

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deebus_:

that's what I've got

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deebus_:

but no directory for my current kernel version. sounds like it's not even necessary to do it like that

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deebus_:

uh...hey tank-man: stupid question for you...

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deebus_:

what are the permissions on your ivtv drivers?

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deebus_:

root or your mythtv account?

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tank-man:

root

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tank-man:

but world readable

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tank-man:

rw-r--r--

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deebus_:

well, that's what I've got too

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deebus_:

crap

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deebus_:

still not working

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deebus_:

maybe another reboot

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iamlindoro:

Nothing says "I'm new" like "Whelp, better reboot again then."

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psm321:

eh, it helps sometimes

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psm321:

i've had my pvr-500s get stuck in a bad state where only rebooting will help (unloading ivtv and reloading doesn't always)

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deebus:

well, that did it, if anyone is interested

[17:08:52]

deebus:

for whatever reason, I apparently set myth to look in /lib/firmware/`uname -r`/ for the ivtv drivers

[17:09:15]

deebus:

this time around, my kernel upgrade did not include making a commensurate directory in /lib/firmware

[17:09:16]

iamlindoro:

myth doesn't looks for firmware... ever

[17:09:23]

deebus:

er...

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iamlindoro:

er doesn't look

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deebus:

ok...

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deebus:

in that case it must be something with the hal?

[17:09:46]

iamlindoro:

nor does it load device drivers

[17:10:04]

deebus:

hm. well, whatever the case, I was able to fix it

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iamlindoro:

myth is userspace software, and does zilch with your drivers... all of that is on the OS level and has nothing to do with myth

[17:10:18]

deebus:

gotcha lindoro, thx

[17:10:35]

deebus:

either way, apparently I had to manually create that directory and copy the requisite files in there

[17:10:58]

deebus:

just fwiw, in case some other dummy comes in here with a similar issue

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tank-man:

just so it is clear, your problem was with ivtv, not mythtv

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tank-man:

:0

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tank-man:

:)

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thetom:

hi, i've a problem, i can't connect mythtv with my ps3.can someone tell me how to do that?

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thetom:

I don't know how to start upnp server...

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thetom:

hey, is anybody here?

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iamlindoro:

sheesh, patient, that one

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iamlindoro:

halfway through typing the answer and he's gone

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laga:

heh

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iamlindoro:

what the...? Inkscape can't open EPS??

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gbee:

iamlindoro: think support was added in a more recent version ...

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gbee:

http://inkscape-forum.andreas-s.net/topic/122107

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gbee:

what version are you using/

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gbee:

?

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iamlindoro:

looks like 0.46

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iamlindoro:

may be time to do their trunk version, I guess...

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iamlindoro:

could only be less crashy

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gbee:

same version here, maybe it was just pdf that got added

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gbee:

0.46 is rock solid for me

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iamlindoro:

I've had some random haven't-saved-total-loss crashes that made my jaw drop

[17:56:13]

justinh:

only ever seen it crash on windows

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iamlindoro:

I wonder if this is another "Ubuntu doesn't thin kyou should have this capability" moment

[17:59:47]

justinh:

should the channel topic be changed to "if you haven't had an answer within 60 seconds, get your money back" ? ;)

[18:00:25]

iamlindoro:

As I sat on the can this morning doing my best thinking as usual, I thought of offering paid Myth support. I'd even be nice.

[18:00:42]

iamlindoro:

Want me to SSH in and set up LIRC? Sure!

[18:00:52]

iamlindoro:

Want me to make myth play your DVDs? why not!

[18:01:20]

justinh:

heh

[18:01:23]

justinh:

how much?

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iamlindoro:

MOAR

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justinh:

if $20 a year is way too much for some tightwads to pay for a whole year's worth of EPG data....

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iamlindoro:

Heck, you could probably do a tidy business just on hardware planning/consulting

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iamlindoro:

the contract would have to have some very specific stipulations about you not fixing it when they break it in a week

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justinh:

don't think it's a very sustainable business model

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justinh:

plus you'd have to be nice to the customer

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iamlindoro:

If I could just get one clever I could retire

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justinh:

I honestly don't think for one minute that if most folks who come here had enough money they wouldn't just use MCE/Sage & put up

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iamlindoro:

Well now I have an army of graphics programs installed and I found the image I wanted in SVG. *sigh*

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wagnerrp_:

justinh: where as the people who do have money, and still use mythtv, generally have very expansive systems?

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wagnerrp_:

bah, i still havent fixed my name

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tank-man:

cant people just find a warez site and get mce/sage and pay nothing

[18:18:03]

wagnerrp:

that would require effort, theyre here because they dont want to figure out how to get mythtv working on their own... :P

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gbee:

I'm trying to remember if Inkscape has ever crashed on me, I think it might have done so once, in 0.45

[18:20:15]

super6:

myth tv says "cannot log in to database?" when i run the front end, what does that mean?

[18:20:34]

wagnerrp:

that means the frontend cannot log in to the database

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wagnerrp:

love them descriptive errors...

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super6:

lol

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super6:

so how do i fix it?

[18:20:55]

wagnerrp:

anyway, is this a combined frontend/backend?

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super6:

yes

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super6:

i just want to watch tv on my desktop

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wagnerrp:

are you running the frontend and backend as the same user?

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super6:

i think so

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iamlindoro:

If you want to watch TV on your desktop, myth is likely the wrong app for you

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super6:

what app should I get?

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wagnerrp:

well then if the frontend cannot connect, the backend probably isnt working either

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gbee:

super6: if you just want tv on the desktop then look at Kaffeine, TVtime etc

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gbee:

mythtv is a full blown media centre, not a half assed livetv viewing app

[18:22:47]

super6:

that's what i thought but all the searches I did were just ofrums of people telling others to use myth tv to watch tv

[18:22:49]

gbee:

as such it's requirements and initial setup are slightly more involved

[18:22:49]

Hausberg:

does mythtv support dvb-s2?

[18:22:56]

iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is more for recorded tv rather than live tv

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gbee:

do the official drivers support DVB-S2? NO

[18:23:34]

Hausberg:

apparently there are the experimental ones?

[18:23:36]

gbee:

if there aren't official drivers for DVB-S2 cards then MythTV can't possibly support it

[18:23:44]

gbee:

Hausberg: not official ones

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Hausberg:

I am pondering buying a Sat card and I am thinking whether to buy a S2 straight ahead

[18:24:22]

Hausberg:

it's a bit daft if I am left without any pic

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gbee:

there are several different driver implementations, we simply can't support all the different APIs when they are neither complete and might not even exist by the time the next release of MythTV is made – so it's DVB-S only right now

[18:26:18]

Hausberg:

Well I thought it will just take the stream and show it on display

[18:26:29]

Hausberg:

on whatever resolution the screen's on

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gbee:

when the various driver devs stop playing silly games, then yes MythTV will support DVB-S2, that might even happen before 0.22 is released – although we've been waiting months already

[18:26:44]

Hausberg:

is it the same thing with blue-ray stuff as well?

[18:27:28]

Hausberg:

would it be then a smarter move to buy for instance TT S-1500 instead

[18:27:37]

gbee:

it's nothing to do with the resolution, it's purely driver API – mythtv supports HD, h.264 etc – DVB-S in some countries already provides HD (e.g. the UK)

[18:28:12]

** gbee has BBC HD over DVB-S **

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Hausberg:

so what is actually the prob?

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gbee:

driver APIs – You can't just stream from the device, you need to interact with the driver to tune, change channels etc

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Hausberg:

ah ok

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laga:

and there is no stable API for that yet

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laga:

which is very, very sad.

[18:30:10]

gbee:

it's pathetic really :(

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Hausberg:

well not that there are that many channels to see...

[18:30:40]

Hausberg:

and probably the specs for a machine are ridicilous

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laga:

darn, there are a lot of crasher bugs in the ubuntu bug tracker for mythtv

[18:30:56]

laga:

Hausberg: no, a recent core 2 duo should cope just fine if you run the right patches

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Hausberg:

well I don't even have a core duo for my actual desktop ;)

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Hausberg:

and media-pc is based on athlon XP

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laga:

heh, yeah. but the specs are not "ridiculous". you can get by with a few hundred bucks these days

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Hausberg:

yeah, well that's right – except one would need memory and probably new PCIe graphic adapter (since there are no core duo for AGP, presumably) etc.

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Hausberg:

so I might be left only with casing and hard drives :)

[18:33:43]

laga:

a mainboard with embedded graphics would probably do.. so 140€ CPU, 80€ board, 30€ RAM.

[18:33:43]

gbee:

I'd lean towards onboard graphics (nvidia/intel/ati)

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laga:

don't forget a new PSU ;)

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laga:

(these figures were just semi-educated guesses)

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gbee:

http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/

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laga:

i turned my main box into my hd frontend. laptop FTW ;)

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Hausberg:

Yeah, well I need a SAT card next anyway but it seems DVB-S would be less of a mess

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gbee:

reckon you could build a similar machine for £100 now

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wagnerrp:

Hausberg: for $300, you should be able to get a machine that will play anything short of BR and HDPVR video

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wagnerrp:

thats from scratch, case and all

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Hausberg:

Well I was sort of dreaming of updating my desktop somewhere in the future and getting the AMD64 hardware for media-pc

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wagnerrp:

another $100 will be able to decode that, and be quiet

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gbee:

Hausberg: look at ebay for second hand DVB-S cards, I got mine for £15 (€18.50) including postage

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Hausberg:

that's an idea...

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laga:

Hausberg: keep in mind you might need a CI + CAM for pay tv

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laga:

if you want that

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Hausberg:

yes...

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Hausberg:

That brings me to a new point

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Hausberg:

...

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Hausberg:

it seems that CIs are usually PCI cards

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jduggan:

are there any cams available in the UK (legally) for things like setanta sport?

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Hausberg:

connected to tuner with a cable

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Hausberg:

so one CI supports only one tuner

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laga:

no, some of them just happen to fit into a pci slot

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laga:

yes

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laga:

that's right.

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Hausberg:

but internally they are connected with a flat cable directly to the card

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AndyCap:

but most cards that support a CI only has one tuner. :-P

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Hausberg:

which means that running two DVB-S cards is a bit problematic

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wagnerrp:

you need one CI per tuner dont you?

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Hausberg:

if one needs to receive paid content

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Hausberg:

since usually you just get one card :)

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: no idea, there are tunerboxes that have two tuners and only one card, but I dunno, I guess all of them have the CAS onboard instead of in a CAM

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Hausberg:

well USB CI would work

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Hausberg:

AFAIK

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laga:

Hausberg: there's no such thing in linux AFAIK

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gbee:

jduggan: for Sky no, there are no NDS cams AFAIK, for freeview I'm not sure

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AndyCap:

Hausberg: if they were documented and had drivers.

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gbee:

snap

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wagnerrp:

justinh found some gigabit attached box that had support for some half dozen tuners

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Hausberg:

USB ci? I thought it was only alternative for example for hauppauge

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jduggan:

gbee: freesat

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jduggan:

its on the same sats right?

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wagnerrp:

the netceiver

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gbee:

freesat, as it's name implies has no non-free channels, all the encrypted channels on those sats are Sky

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jduggan:

gbee: ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

http://www.reel-multimedia.com/en/netceiver_produktfotos.html

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AndyCap:

Illustration purposes only? that's cheating isn't it. :)

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AndyCap:

but I want

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wagnerrp:

i suppose the netceiver would work as an IP-tuner, with an external channel changer

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AndyCap:

the Extension HD Linux will enable even low-performance PC-Systems to process HDTV signals.

[18:47:59]

AndyCap:

mm-kay

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AndyCap:

what's the magic chip

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AndyCap:

ah, fail. pci.

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wagnerrp:

micronas DHM 81xx

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wagnerrp:

youre supposed to feed it the direct compressed stream

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wagnerrp:

should it *should* be sufficient

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AndyCap:

yeah, but you're not getting the data back. :)

[18:49:09]

wagnerrp:

well...

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AndyCap:

so no myth. :)

[18:49:25]

wagnerrp:

its supposed to output the video on its own

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wagnerrp:

in place of a video card

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AndyCap:

unless you have a automatic hdmi switch

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wagnerrp:

so, funky framebuffer

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jduggan:

not myth related as such, but home automation sorta related... does anyone have a suggested for an IP based intercom system?

[18:49:56]

jduggan:

suggestion*

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justinh:

the netceiver is slightly old news now

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AndyCap:

or you make a new mythtv ui renderer -> mpeg 4. :-)

[18:50:42]

justinh:

jduggan: what happened to yelling?

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AndyCap:

And the VGA feature connector went the way of the dodo

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jduggan:

justinh: about two floors and 12" steel re-inforced concrete :)

[18:51:23]

wagnerrp:

yelling loudly

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AndyCap:

rubber mallet!

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styelz:

asterisk

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jduggan:

oh, perhaps 5,000 servers?

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wagnerrp:

get a stick and start knocking on the floor

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AndyCap:

jduggan: though, you could look at ventrilo or teamspeak?

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jduggan:

well asterisk would suit, but its the handset, need to look like an intercom

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wagnerrp:

jduggan: so you get IP phones with programmed numbers

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justinh:

FYI folks you can get TUTV CAMs (which'll work with Sultana Sports) for DVB-T in the UK. I still find it abhorrent that TUTV gets lumped in with freeview. You even have to move past their crummy pay channels in the EPG :(

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jduggan:

and would need to auto answer etc

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wagnerrp:

set up to automatically connect and go to speakerphone

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: a regular handset wont suit

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wagnerrp:

the latter, i dont know if would be possible

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jduggan:

its on an external door

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styelz:

asterisk has intercom and paging modules

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styelz:

http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Asterisk+Paging+and+Intercom

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justinh:

http://www.ipintercom.com/ipintercom.html?gcl . . . uJ1QodgiIFRA ?

[18:54:16]

AndyCap:

http://www.digitalacoustics.com/ip7.htm

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AndyCap:

jduggan: or you could run a traditional intercom over regular wire.

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wagnerrp:

a pair of speakers and microphones

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AndyCap:

Hihi, vandal proof ip intercom.

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wagnerrp:

a button that connects them

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AndyCap:

I guess that only goes for the outside of it

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wagnerrp:

nothing outside will be vandal proof

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wagnerrp:

unless you have a camera

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AndyCap:

Smrz pwnz j00

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wagnerrp:

in which case its still not vandal proof, you just know who said vandal is

[18:56:11]

AndyCap:

The vandal proof wall was good though

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justinh:

well, if it's not a megapixel camera being recorded at native resolution, you won't really know what said vandal looks like

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AndyCap:

Heh, i bet the IP intercom boxes cost an arm and a leg compared to a regular one

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jduggan:

we have full cctv keycard entry into perimeter etc

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jduggan:

but no coms from the office to main door :)

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jduggan:

just automated our lights/alarms/keycard entry to all rooms, so we can let people in remotely etc

[18:59:47]

jduggan:

i think the idea with the phone sounds good

[18:59:54]

jduggan:

hack in a speaker

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jduggan:

leave the phone in the roof void, or something

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AndyCap:

ouch http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 300195437563

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wagnerrp:

is DVB-C compatible with american digital cable?

[19:08:36]

justinh:

nope

[19:08:38]

wagnerrp:

theyre both QAM-64/256

[19:11:07]

justinh:

least I'm assuming nope

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AndyCap:

seems they send ATSC transport streams.

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AndyCap:

judging from wikipedia

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justinh:

I think it's a safe bet you can't just plop a dvb-c tuner into a pc in the US & have it work with cable over there – or vice-versa

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wagnerrp:

well us cable is 6MHz (like ATSC), seems dvb-c allows for 2–10MHz

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wagnerrp:

per channel

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AndyCap:

Hmm, it seems ITU J.83 is the document is the one to get. Annex A for US

[19:18:51]

justinh:

get to the point ;)

[19:19:02]

wagnerrp:

no point, just curious

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AndyCap:

umm, Annex B.

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justinh:

heh never noticed this before but the osd menu seems to be in pairs separated by spaces

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Dispader:

Someone was talking trash over on #mythtv that the "HD-PVR" card could be used to capture Dish Network signals?

[19:35:10]

** Dispader winks at Justin. **

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srwalter:

if you have a Dish box with component out, why not?

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Dispader:

Oh. Lame.

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** Dispader laughs. **

[19:36:32]

justinh:

yup. if you have a dish box with component out

[19:36:35]

justinh:

IF

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justinh:

best option you're gonna get

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Dispader:

Sorry... I thought that we were talking about decoding the DVB signals.

[19:36:55]

justinh:

*legal* option that is

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srwalter:

oops, sorry to get your hopes up

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justinh:

oh I'm sorry – that would mostly be illegal

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justinh:

sticklers for that too, around these parts

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Dispader:

Yeah, I wasn't looking for illegal, I'm just damned tired of the squealing box in the living room.

[19:38:04]

Dispader:

I'd mostly given up that fight, but thought you might be talking about it here.

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wagnerrp:

your STB makes loud squealing noises?

[19:38:52]

Dagmar:

You might want to take the five seconds to look up what hardware someone's talking about before rushing off to ask people

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Dispader:

I exaggerate. It is loud.

[19:39:07]

AndyCap:

maybe if you stop whipping it.

[19:39:09]

wagnerrp:

i thought those things were usually fanless

[19:39:24]

Dispader:

Dagmar: You're cheery today.

[19:39:45]

Dagmar:

And you're snarky

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** Dispader winks. **

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Dispader:

Laudanum does wonders... and I didn't have to look it up, by the way. I've got one sitting on the bookshelf just across the room.

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Dagmar:

Drink all the snake oil you like then

[19:41:58]

Dagmar:

Just because you can make a sarcastic remark first doesn't mean you're not the one being thick.

[19:42:14]

Dispader:

Wow... what is your problem today?

[19:42:26]

Dagmar:

I don't have one, but apparently you do.

[19:42:41]

Dispader:

/ignore is beautiful.

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Dagmar:

So is self-control.

[19:44:28]

Dagmar:

But hey, pardon me for trying to give you a hint that will make you look like less of an idiot in the future.

[19:45:19]

gbee:

Dispader: yes, yes it is

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srwalter:

is there any support for using a slingbox as a mythtv tuner?

[19:46:42]

Dagmar:

Nah. It's come up in my mind before too tho

[19:47:02]

Dagmar:

At some point I'm wagering uPnP will probably start becoming more central to the functionality

[19:47:16]

srwalter:

wonder how much work it'd be. there a FOSS slingbox plugin for vlc, anyway

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justinh:

slingbox.. because your video is too good looking to bear (tm)

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

There is that

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justinh:

who else wants to capture HD video at SDTV resolution then?

[19:47:47]

justinh:

hands up!

[19:48:00]

srwalter:

beats not capturing it at all

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Dagmar:

The amount of control you get through uPnP is kind of unthrilling tho

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wagnerrp:

better to just pick up a 150 off ebay

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justinh:

srwalter: nah. all or nothing

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justinh:

hdtv grabbed at sd res == SDTV – and you can get that without a funny shaped box already

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Dagmar:

You'd also have *zero* way to prevent some other device on your network from just grabbing the Slingbox and tuning it to another channel in the middle of the recording

[19:49:06]

Dagmar:

That right there would annoy some folks

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justinh:

somebody was asking about it in here a while ago but they gave up pretty quick when they realised the futility of the whole idea

[19:50:20]

srwalter:

you guys are party-poopers.

[19:50:26]

justinh:

spose folks who own slingboxes have to justify the expense somehow

[19:50:27]

sphery:

Though there's a /huge/ difference between NTSC cra^H^H^Hquality and DVD quality, where DVD quality is still an SDTV resolution (720x480), but without the 1940's...

[19:50:52]

justinh:

srwalter: sorry WOW WHAT A COOL IDEA!

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srwalter:

much better ;)

[19:51:06]

justinh:

pardon me for telling like it is. shit

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laga:

sphery: is it OK if it posted your xmltv config patch to trac?

[19:51:20]

justinh:

you want it, you go get it :)

[19:51:37]

sphery:

But I have no idea if the Slingbox does 720x480p (and I seriously doubt it does).

[19:51:46]

sphery:

laga: sure--assuming you've actually tested it ;)

[19:52:13]

sphery:

I really didn't test any of it, so I don't even know if it works.

[19:52:37]

sphery:

(I'm one of the lucky Schedules Direct users who forgot how XMLTV works...)

[19:52:40]

justinh:

first google result for "slingbox resolution" returns this as part of the text.. "These days 640 by 480 just doesn't cut it"

[19:52:41]

laga:

sphery: haha. it's just for discussion. it's hardly what i had in mind because it requires the user to set up a new storage group manually (does it?)

[19:52:51]

Dagmar:

http://perlupnp.sourceforge.net/ == maddening, but less maddening than dealing with uPnP's "RFCs"

[19:53:00]

srwalter:

I get it, justinh. dump on someone else's idea for a while

[19:53:24]

Dagmar:

I've been playing more than a bit with it since I finally figured out how to unnerf Myth's upnp

[19:53:59]

justinh:

srwalter: it just seems daft is all I'm saying. you wanna do it, you do it

[19:54:16]

justinh:

you'll make slashdot & be the cool guy for 5 minutes

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sphery:

laga: in theory, when the user is creating a new XMLTV-based video source, the storage group will be created automatically (if they haven't already created it) or the directory will be added to it (if the SG exists and doesn't already contain the directory)

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squish102:

does mythtv allow recordings to be converted to xvid but keep the functionality of commecrtial skip, and start from previous bookmark etc?

[19:55:27]

laga:

sphery: ah, right. nice. it'll still break if people have the same config file in different $user/.mythtv/ dirs, where $user has different values

[19:55:28]

Dagmar:

Conversion to XviD shouldn't break any of that afaik

[19:55:50]

squish102:

thanks Dagmar, i'll go google it

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wagnerrp:

squish102: its all part of transcoding

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Dagmar:

Generally I've already thrown out the bits with commercials in them by that point tho

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justinh:

after conversion you have to recreate the seektables though

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wagnerrp:

although transcoding within mythtv (to retain that), you end up with nuvs

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Dagmar:

It reduces transcoding time by as much as 25% when there's no commercials. ;)

[19:56:22]

justinh:

and of course the break markers will be er.. broken too

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justinh:

here goes:

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justinh:

1. record the show

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justinh:

2. commflag it

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justinh:

3. if you want, check the commercial flag marks & adjust as necessary

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justinh:

4. transcode to new file sans commercials

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Dagmar:

"if you want" translates to "if you would like the plot to remain coherent"

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sphery:

laga: it actually adds an absolute path to the file, so you could also get permissions issues

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justinh:

some damn foos lazily accept commflagging is flawless. their loss :D

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iamlindoro:

quite literally

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Dagmar:

Even being problematic it's still a ton easier than having no cutlist to start with at all

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squish102:

last time i tried it, even after commflagging it a 2nd time, the legnth always was wrong, comm skip never worked, and FF just jumped to the end... so let me try figure it out again

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Dagmar:

That's what he meant by rebuilding the seek table

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squish102:

i used to do that Dagmar, but i noticed i sometimes cut out the wrong stuff, and generally, i would be doing this to record a season, and keep it for 6 months to watch later

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Dagmar:

*blinkblink*

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squish102:

so i would not be checking the cut points.

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Dagmar:

So *check* the cutpoints and move them

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Dagmar:

Ya just tell it to play the file, hit 'e' to bring up the editor, 'z' to import the cutlist, and from there it's just a bunch of arrow presses and enters to change the start and stop markers

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justinh:

if I liked a tv series enough to warrant keeping it for old time's sake I'd go order a box set instead

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Dagmar:

You can move around in increments of "lots and lots", "lots", 20s, 5s, 1s, 0.5s, keyframes (which are generally 0.5s but on a special frame), single frames, and cut points

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justinh:

but that's just me. my time is valuable

[20:02:01]

iamlindoro:

justinh, are you aware of any frutiger-like Open Source fonts?

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justinh:

frutiger? never heard of em

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Dagmar:

...so you can move the view straight to the first cut point, and then roll back and forth by keyframes to see if the marker is in the right place, move it if you need to, then check the next one, etc

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i might consider personally transcoding something off HDTV, but yeah, SD just isnt worth it

[20:03:03]

iamlindoro:

justinh, It's the De Gaulle airport font, also *extremely* similar to Myriad

[20:03:11]

Dagmar:

justinh: It's more of that hippie stuff messing with wildlife, trying to get tigers to go vegetarian

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justinh:

iamlindoro: check out the usual free fonts sites, I've found gpl fonts there.. maybe dafont.com too

[20:03:44]

Dagmar:

...although http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frutiger looks rather like Arial and Bistream Vera to me

[20:04:00]

justinh:

badly kerned eh?

[20:04:13]

Dagmar:

Oh don't get me started

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Dagmar:

I spent about 5 hours last week trying to fix a font used for World of Warcraft artwork so I could have it appearing when I changed zones, just to finally say screw it.

[20:05:42]

Dagmar:

Turned out line height was set wrong, so the massive decenders the font has were going to keep being cut off until I changed that

[20:06:36]

justinh:

ugh

[20:07:00]

Dagmar:

I can see why it's not in the game now

[20:07:10]

justinh:

wouldn't be so bad, but the kerning in bitstream is _way_ off

[20:08:07]

justinh:

it's not noticable until you see it next to a 'pro' font.. and when you do notice it, it's jarring

[20:08:51]

Dagmar:

S'one of the things I like about the LCARS font. All the letters are basically squares so kerning == piffle

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directhex:

bitstream inc are a "pro" font company

[20:10:07]

justinh:

they are? oof

[20:10:33]

laga:

sphery: hum, you're right. so your patch might actually work

[20:10:35]

directhex:

http://www.bitstream.com/fonts/index.html

[20:10:36]

laga:

i'll test it tomorrow

[20:10:37]

directhex:

yeah yeah i know

[20:11:05]

justinh:

#1 reason why nobody else has fixed it then :)

[20:11:31]

laga:

g'night

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gbee:

bitstream fonts are licensed for free distribution but they disallow modification without changing the name, which is exactly what the Dejavu project did, renamed the font to Dejavu Sans etc then fixed problems and added lots of extra character tables to improve unicode support etc

[20:13:33]

justinh:

ahhh

[20:13:49]

justinh:

off I scurry to change all my definitions to dejavu then :)

[20:13:56]

justinh:

when I fix this popup box

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iamlindoro:

inheritance *does* save you a bootyload of time when you change a font, that helps

[20:20:49]

justinh:

iamlindoro: not in the OSD. I found that sizes aren't inherited just now

[20:21:23]

Dagmar:

Man, not to spoil anyone's day or anything, but it looks like we're maybe three hours from tanks running people over in Minneapolis

[20:21:42]

wagnerrp:

huh?

[20:21:46]

Dagmar:

http://twincities.indymedia.org/

[20:22:06]

Dagmar:

The RNC have pulled out all the stops for gestapo tactics against anyone who might even be thinking about not liking them

[20:22:28]

Dagmar:

They raided several peoples homes with really, really questionable warrants yesterday

[20:22:39]

Dagmar:

...and they've already been using tear gas this morning

[20:22:58]

psm321:

which reminds me, i forgot to set myth to record the convention :-/

[20:23:11]

Dagmar:

Not going to be much to see there

[20:23:34]

Dagmar:

Unless, perhaps, McCain comes up with some real compelling reasons for having picked a noob as VP

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wagnerrp:

noob for VP, noob for POTUS...

[20:25:13]

Dagmar:

When was the last time a POTUS collected on his own insurance policy, anywya?

[20:25:22]

justinh:

malleable? ;)

[20:25:43]

wagnerrp:

Kennedy?

[20:25:54]

Dagmar:

his _own_ insurance policy

[20:26:11]

Dagmar:

You don't collect when you're dead. Your beneficiaries do

[20:26:32]

Dagmar:

At 75 (maybe 76, can't remember) the actuarial tables basically write you off and you can collect your own insurance policy

[20:26:48]

Dispader:

I'm glad I'm staying home today.

[20:27:17]

Dagmar:

Dispader: Man, I'd be out in it trying to do live wireless video streaming if I were there

[20:27:24]

wagnerrp:

id hope anyone running for POTUS would understand that life insurance that age is effectively a scam

[20:27:25]

Dispader:

It's been pretty quiet on the Minneapolis side. Though I will say there is an overabundance of people that can't drive suddenly in town.

[20:27:26]

Dagmar:

...but then, I'm a hardass about authoritarianism

[20:27:37]

Dagmar:

Dispader: Drunk republicans

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Dispader:

No lie.

[20:30:43]

** justinh shakes his fist at the pointless petition to abolish the TV Licence fee **

[20:31:08]

wagnerrp:

license fee?

[20:31:10]

justinh:

ignorant, ignorant people!

[20:31:42]

justinh:

wagnerrp: yeah we pay a 'tax' in the UK which funds the BBC & people want to abolish it

[20:31:50]

wagnerrp:

so... they want commercials?

[20:31:52]

justinh:

I have two words for them. CILLIT BANG!

[20:32:01]

wagnerrp:

i know i cant get enough of them over here

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directhex:

how long does an episode of the daily show take in the US?

[20:33:33]

wagnerrp:

a little more than 20 minutes

[20:33:42]

directhex:

including adverts?

[20:33:43]

gbee:

including, or excluding adverts?

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Dagmar:

Oooh

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wagnerrp:

30 minutes

[20:33:50]

Dagmar:

i wonder if Stewart is taking Labor Day off

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iamlindoro:

22 w/o adverts, 30 w

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gbee:

at least in the UK, with the BBC an hour long programme lasts an hour, in the US you are lucky if an hour long programme is actually more than 40 minutes

[20:35:55]

wagnerrp:

an hour long program in the US is usually 42–44 minutes, including opening/ending

[20:35:58]

gbee:

it's why it feels like most US shows are over before they have started

[20:37:06]

gbee:

and no-one tends to make a series with episodes of 90 minutes (including adverts)

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iamlindoro:

wheeeeee, I break my theme every ten seconds or so

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justinh:

iamlindoro: quick! release it :D

[20:39:16]

wagnerrp:

ive never seen a series made of 90minute shows

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AndyCap:

justinh: Reckitt Benckiser for teh win?

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justinh:

say que?

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AndyCap:

the people behind vanish oxy action, cillit bang, veet for men,

[20:47:05]

justinh:

CILLIT BANG!

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directhex:

the low-budget thing is a farce

[20:47:17]

directhex:

they're a huge company

[20:47:23]

justinh:

hang on.. veet for men?

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justinh:

rofl

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AndyCap:

and, it's not for the face

[20:48:09]

AndyCap:

Can I use depilatory products on my face? Men should never wax their face or remove facial hair with chemicals.

[20:48:15]

AndyCap:

And, why should I buy this?

[20:48:17]

justinh:

are they the ones conjuring up this 'manscara' & 'guyliner' stuff?

[20:48:41]

Dagmar:

lol

[20:48:46]

Dagmar:

"manscara" lol

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AndyCap:

and if I did, why the hell would it be safe on other parts

[20:48:58]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: It's because of *fumes* man

[20:49:19]

Dagmar:

Where you gonna breathe while that stuff is on your chin or gods forbid, your upper lip?

[20:49:27]

AndyCap:

Does waxing really hurt? There will be some discomfort but not as much as you imagine!

[20:49:30]

AndyCap:

ORLY?

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justinh:

don't forget false eyelashes for men

[20:49:50]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: If you've ever bleached your hair, it would be much more obvious.

[20:49:59]

Dagmar:

Especially if you use something hardcore like "Quick Blue"

[20:50:18]

Dagmar:

Your priorities change while that's in your hair. They become:

[20:50:25]

Dagmar:

1. Ignore the itching and burning

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justinh:

I had a perm once. just out of a bad relationship. that's my excuse & I'm sticking to it

[20:50:27]

AndyCap:

hardcore? H2O2 is hardcore

[20:50:29]

Dagmar:

2. Avoid the fumes

[20:50:39]

Dagmar:

3. Oh jesus it itches but I'll ignore it

[20:50:52]

AndyCap:

the goggles, they do nothing!

[20:50:53]

Dagmar:

4. Goddamn how long is 30 minutes anyway? This burns!

[20:51:10]

Dagmar:

AndyCap: H2o2 is piffle

[20:51:20]

AndyCap:

Remember if you use the gel cream there is no chance of any nicks or cuts that you can get with a razor.

[20:51:28]

Dagmar:

"Developer" is basically a mixture of conditioner/cream and hydrogen peroxide

[20:51:35]

Dagmar:

You add "Quick Blue" *to* it.

[20:51:41]

Dagmar:

Quick Blue is effing *bleach*

[20:52:09]

Dagmar:

One session with it, and your hair will at *least* be brighter than a tennis-ball yellow-blonde

[20:52:32]

Dagmar:

Two sessions and a bit of metal-based shampoo and paper white it becomes.

[20:53:47]

Dagmar:

To give you an example of just how vicious the stuff is, when I was in SF using that to bleach my hair, we didn't have to spray anything in the shower to kill mildew, ever.

[20:53:57]

** AndyCap notes the absence of MSDS on lorealtechnique.com **

[20:55:06]

Dagmar:

That

[20:55:12]

Dagmar:

That's probably for the best

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iamlindoro:

arrghhhhh why will this theme not take my font changes

[20:56:17]

directhex:

computer says no?

[20:56:31]

jduggan:

hah

[20:56:41]

iamlindoro:

Computer says little, really... would be nice if it logged something worthwhile

[20:57:20]

directhex:

"OUT OF CHEESE ERROR"

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jduggan:

:|

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Dagmar:

I can definitely submit a patch to make it write weird things to logs instead of syslog's boring old

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Dagmar:

"-- MARK --"

[20:59:25]

directhex:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hex_(Discworld)# . . . ror_messages

[20:59:41]

AndyCap:

Unit won't fit thru 25" hatch

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Dagmar:

HEX's errors are awesome

[21:00:26]

directhex:

AndyCap, no, my unit won't ;D

[21:02:55]

iamlindoro:

Where is it GETTING these fonts???

[21:03:30]

AndyCap:

at Patriotic Fonts'r'us

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directhex:

honest sal's discout font emporium

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AndyCap:

http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/tools/fonts/

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AndyCap:

Awful lot of "" in this : Mystery "Grab Bag" of 40 "Patriotic Fonts"

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wagnerrp:

what the hell is a patriotic font

[21:07:25]

directhex:

one where every letter involves a crying eagle

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AndyCap:

and why is adolf waving to us? http://www.familyrightsassociation.com/tools/flags/index.html

[21:17:39]

justinh:

ahhhhh. I can hang up my theming gloves for another night :)

[21:18:53]

Dagmar:

At this rate I think I should try to modify one of their fonts to have 3/4 of the letters replaced with wobbly-looking black boxes for "built-in redaction support"

[21:19:12]

the_alien:

can i export my recordings to the video directory?

[21:19:45]

the_alien:

and set the including dir to the show title?

[21:19:55]

iamlindoro:

You can use a tool I wrote

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iamlindoro:

called cp

[21:20:09]

the_alien:

something like ~/mythtv/videos/heroes/

[21:20:37]

the_alien:

that would not include filename, directory

[21:20:44]

the_alien:

and the databse would be out of sync

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justinh:

iamlindoro: ahh so it's you! what did you do with cp -g ?

[21:21:22]

iamlindoro:

justinh, It's hard for me to remember, I was busy inventing paper at that time

[21:21:35]

sphery:

laga: even with the absolute path in the storage group, the storage groups code will cycle through dirs looking for a file until it finds one, so you could still have a filename collision--i.e. if they put /home/mythtv/.mythtv/ and /home/someuser/.mythtv/ in the storage group and have something.xmltv in both, but meant to configure different video sources

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: rofl.

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Jonny0stars:

Hello

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the_alien:

so there is no way of exporting it to videos? or is it to obvious so everyone of you is rolling his/her eyes in front of your monitor

[21:26:57]

the_alien:

?

[21:27:53]

Jonny0stars:

For some reason some of my recordings are going missing, e.g. from the recorded list

[21:28:14]

wagnerrp:

the_alien: AFAIK, there currently is no mechanism to do so

[21:28:25]

cesman:

the_alien: yes, you can export record

[21:28:41]

Jonny0stars:

there still there because i can watch the files over upnp and i have seen them flagged for advert flagging

[21:28:56]

cesman:

the_alien: you'd have to write a script to do specifically what you want

[21:29:08]

wagnerrp:

however, it shouldnt be too difficult to simply create a user job to pull off the database, determine the series name, and copy/rename as necessary

[21:29:10]

Jonny0stars:

Just not in my "Watch Recordings" menu

[21:29:40]

the_alien:

but everything not written to the title will be lost?

[21:30:02]

cesman:

what do you mean?

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Jonny0stars:

Oh... i had the filter on lol

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the_alien:

epg data

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wagnerrp:

that is correct

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cesman:

there is no peg data for mythvideos

[21:30:42]

wagnerrp:

there is EPG data for mythvideos

[21:30:46]

the_alien:

like summary or smthg like this

[21:31:01]

wagnerrp:

but it has to be manually entered, or pulled with the imdb grabber

[21:31:14]

the_alien:

that would be ok

[21:31:16]

cesman:

again, you can probably do what you what w/ a script

[21:31:22]

wagnerrp:

of course your script could create a new entry in the mythvideo table, and enter the proper data itself

[21:31:36]

** cesman shouldn't type so soon after waking up **

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the_alien:

cant believe noone create such a script

[21:32:22]

the_alien:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Who said they haven't? Maybe some of us don't like to share

[21:32:45]

the_alien:

am i the only one who wants to archive recorde shows

[21:32:51]

the_alien:

:D

[21:33:20]

iamlindoro:

or maybe some of us expect that you might google for four and half seconds and that if you're not able to find it through your own means, that you don't deserve to have it?

[21:33:28]

wagnerrp:

well there is mythrename, or something like that

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cesman:

iamlindoro: don't forget the wiki or the mailing list archive ;)

[21:35:15]

iamlindoro:

cesman, indeed

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cesman:

wagnerrp: mythrename is just the old "pretty" script

[21:35:40]

iamlindoro:

because that is an *immediate* red flag that I'll end up supporting it, and no sir, I won't

[21:35:46]

wagnerrp:

cesman: what more does he need than to change the 'ln' to a 'cp'?

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the_alien:

yeah, i'm searching the wiki and google for my needs, maybe your google fu is just stronger then mine ;)

[21:36:13]

iamlindoro:

I don't need to google for it... I wrote it

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iamlindoro:

I just need to cd somedir

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cesman:

well, he wants to program description from the EPG

[21:36:33]

iamlindoro:

oh well, off the the grocery store

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the_alien:

ahhh now i found an article about this task :)

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the_alien:

phew, writing a better frontend for xbmc would be an easier task :D

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cesman:

the_alien: everyone likes a contributor ;)

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iamlindoro:

Yep, tough task, running a single script

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iamlindoro:

Man, writing xbmc frontends must be *easy*

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iamlindoro:

man, adventure games are truly dead when the return of Ron Gilbert of Monkey Island fame to gamemaking garners *27* comments on slashdot

[22:19:16]

iamlindoro:

I weep for our youth

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: so where is he going to publish this?

[22:20:58]

iamlindoro:

Probably on a street corner

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iamlindoro:

in ziploc baggies

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wagnerrp:

ill admit, the peak of adventure games was before my time

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AndyCap:

DeathSpank? O_o

[22:22:38]

iamlindoro:

How appropriate, you fight like a cow

[22:23:36]

wagnerrp:

i played a couple old sierra games, and i have an copy of ultima 8 that came with my first CDROM floating around somwehere

[22:24:37]

wagnerrp:

came with three other games, although i never played it, i was more partial to syndicate

[22:25:12]

iamlindoro:

But of course there are hundreds of comments about the Vega Trek thingie closing

[22:25:17]

iamlindoro:

er Vegas

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wagnerrp:

bah, it JUST passed a hundred

[22:25:49]

iamlindoro:

still lame

[22:26:50]

wagnerrp:

well im annoyed that anything enjoyed by the general public would be replaced with a kiddie porn theater

[22:26:51]

iamlindoro:

ah well, see you all in hell when our brains atrophy into raisins and your kill fingers work at warp speed

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** iamlindoro goes to play bionic Commando **

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wagnerrp:

i still havent gotten the timing down properly for that game

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wagnerrp:

although the lack of jump is finally settling in

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iamlindoro:

Since I was playing it at age 10 or so, it's ingrained in my consciousness forever :)

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Andrew_Barber:

should there be some lag in trying to scroll through the guide when watching TV?

[23:12:08]

PatrickDK:

only if your network, frontend, or mysql is slow

[23:12:41]

Andrew_Barber:

this is on a combo frontend/backend

[23:13:28]

PatrickDK:

so cpu loaded, or mysql needs adjusting probably

[23:13:42]

Andrew_Barber:

what kind of adjustment?

[23:13:56]

PatrickDK:

whatever is causing yours to go slow

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PatrickDK:

I don't know your computer, settings, configs, ...

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Andrew_Barber:

it seems to be on the upper end of htpc setups

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sphery:

Andrew_Barber: are you using Bob deinterlacer (or any 2x deint)? If so, disable it/switch to something "simple," like Kernel.

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PatrickDK:

what all are the 2x deinits?

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Andrew_Barber:

i'll give that a try sphery

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Dagmar:

Man you blink and you miss the mass arrests

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Andrew_Barber:

oh, and is there some kind of remote config to allow for holding a button down to scroll?

[23:17:35]

Andrew_Barber:

i found that i had to make individual button pushes

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sphery:

repeat = <any number greater than 0>

[23:18:07]

Andrew_Barber:

i thought i had seen that a few times...

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Andrew_Barber:

thanks

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sphery:

I use 3, 5, or 10 depending on how fast I want a particular button to scroll, though most are 0 to prevent "multiple button presses"

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Andrew_Barber:

got it

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PatrickDK:

use 10 on the rec button?

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Andrew_Barber:

i was wondering what you'd use each of those for, too

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PatrickDK:

I'm kidding

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sphery:

PatrickDK: I think the 2x deints all have "double" in their names (or some other reference to 2)

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Andrew_Barber:

lol

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Andrew_Barber:

i mean as far as what would be a 3 and what would be a 10 :-)

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PatrickDK:

depends on your tastes

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sphery:

I think I have 3 on volume, 5 on up/down/left/right, 10 on PgUp/Down/End/Home, and 0 on everything else

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PatrickDK:

I use just a tiny bluetooth keyboard

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Andrew_Barber:

sphery: could you pastebin your remote script?

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sphery:

Mine is set up for my ATI remote wonder. You'd have to do a lot of remapping if you use anything else.

[23:33:20]

sphery:

Or did you just want a stanza as an example?

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stoth:

hi

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cesman:

hello

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Andrew_Barber:

yeah

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Andrew_Barber:

just an example

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Andrew_Barber:

i need to remap mine

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Andrew_Barber:

it's missing a lot of buttons

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Andrew_Barber:

has anyone set up myth with HD cable yet?

[23:50:09]

jblack:

Not I. The encryption scared me off.

[23:50:29]

sphery:

Andrew_Barber: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/lircrc is all of it.

[23:50:46]

sphery:

I'm using HD OTA.

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Andrew_Barber:

thanks sphery

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Andrew_Barber:

i keep hearing about hauppage's external HD tuner...i was hoping someone had heard about it being used with myth

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sphery:

Myth doesn't really support decoding the H.264 streams it makes, yet--not to mention the amount of CPU power it currently takes.

[23:53:55]

sphery:

It's /the/ solution for recording encrypted HDTV, but it's not really ready, yet.

[23:57:04]

Andrew_Barber:

okay

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Andrew_Barber:

are developers working on that?

[23:57:17]

sphery:

yeah.

[23:57:33]

Andrew_Barber:

is there a timeline?

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_HD-PVR

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sphery:

mainly, Myth is waiting for ffmpeg devs to fix up the decoding stuff, then the new ffmpeg will be rolled into trunk, then after a sufficient testing period, 0.22 :)

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iamlindoro:

of note in that wiki page, even the experimental support should not be even *attempted* by anyone but advanced level myth users who know what they're looking at when they look at the code itself

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iamlindoro:

So yeah. Wait for .22

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sphery:

unless you really don't care whether you're able to use Myth for a few months :)

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