| Friday, August 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:26] | clever: | it now has gnome firefox wine mythtv and everythign else i might need:P |
| [00:00:50] | abarber: | ah, wine |
| [00:00:58] | abarber: | i forgot i need to install that |
| [00:01:07] | clever: | one of my desktops is also partialy network booting(grub kernel initrd storged on hdd) and is a slave backend to record thru a frame grabber |
| [00:01:35] | abarber: | jesus clever |
| [00:01:40] | abarber: | got enough computers? |
| [00:01:52] | clever: | right now i have 8 running |
| [00:01:56] | abarber: | hahahahaha |
| [00:02:02] | clever: | 3 are running off the same nfs root |
| [00:02:02] | wagnerrp_: | yeah, the rest of us think hes excessive too |
| [00:02:18] | abarber: | i thought i was crazy wanting 3 |
| [00:02:23] | abarber: | myth, desktop, NAS |
| [00:02:38] | clever: | theP4 holds all the recordings and is a frontend |
| [00:02:50] | clever: | media is the master, pvr150 recorded, myth mysqld |
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| [00:03:12] | clever: | dadxp is the framegrabber slave |
| [00:03:29] | clever: | olddell d600 are nfsroot frontends(and X servers for misc stuff) |
| [00:03:33] | abarber: | oh, while there are not too many people here to flame me.... |
| [00:03:38] | abarber: | what's the HD update? |
| [00:03:44] | abarber: | no support yet? |
| [00:03:48] | clever: | redhat9 and newrouter are servers for other stuff |
| [00:04:02] | clever: | then theres the winblows acer system |
| [00:04:06] | clever: | thats all 8 |
| [00:04:13] | abarber: | impressive |
| [00:04:39] | clever: | 3 on the desk upstairs |
| [00:04:54] | clever: | 2 in my bedroom(laptop on bed and headless master beside dresser) |
| [00:05:03] | clever: | then 3 headless systems in other rooms |
| [00:06:32] | abarber: | so no HD info? |
| [00:07:05] | clever: | i dont get any hd |
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| [00:07:12] | clever: | no hd STB and no HD cards |
| [00:07:19] | clever: | just a pvr150 and a bttv grabber |
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| [00:07:51] | wagnerrp_: | all those machines for a mere two streams |
| [00:08:13] | abarber: | i was just wondering if anyone is using the HD-PVR yet |
| [00:08:19] | clever: | 2 of them have never ran mythtv programs |
| [00:08:21] | abarber: | and if there is support for it |
| [00:08:25] | wagnerrp_: | check out #hdpvr |
| [00:08:37] | clever: | and the rest(that dont record) are either storing data and/or being a frontend |
| [00:08:44] | clever: | and handle misc gui progs when im in that room |
| [00:08:53] | abarber: | thanks wagner |
| [00:09:14] | wagnerrp_: | trunk has nearly complete support for the hdpvr |
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| [00:09:30] | wagnerrp_: | i believe the only thing still lacking is IR support |
| [00:09:43] | wagnerrp_: | aside from polish and stability |
| [00:09:56] | iamlindoro__: | and 5.1 support |
| [00:10:10] | iamlindoro__: | although the driver already supports that, they just haven't released the firmware yet-- probably this week, though |
| [00:10:13] | wagnerrp_: | seems he already left |
| [00:10:18] | iamlindoro__: | oh feck 'im |
| [00:10:34] | iamlindoro__: | He couldn't get LIRC figured out this week, the HD-PVR isn't for him yet anyway |
| [00:10:50] | wagnerrp_: | oh, so 5.1 isnt even available under windows? |
| [00:10:54] | iamlindoro__: | correct |
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| [00:11:25] | wagnerrp_: | 5.1 seems simple to implement |
| [00:11:35] | wagnerrp_: | since its just a stream copy |
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| [00:16:43] | iamlindoro__: | yeah, just wasn't done I guess, but the firmware is in developer hands and it works with the driver, so looks like it should just be a matter of a couple of days |
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| [00:19:06] | gbee: | heh,channel on Satellite whose only draw is this "Call in, hear yourself on TV!" |
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| [00:26:59] | clever: | how would i go about setting up a slave to start before a recording using wake on lan? |
| [00:27:22] | clever: | it seems simple for the master to just poke the slave to life when the schedule needs it |
| [00:29:15] | clever: | the guides i read so far are more for setting a bios timer to wake itself |
| [00:29:36] | clever: | which sounds like more work/risk and cant addjust itself for schedule changes |
| [00:30:33] | clever: | then theres the bigger problem, dual boot that defaults to windows:P |
| [00:32:42] | fryfrog: | clever: i think that the slave backend settings should have (or is it master?) a spot for "command to wake slave" and you'd throw your WOL tool there |
| [00:33:12] | clever: | that sounds more like the command to wake the master/mysql server |
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| [00:33:23] | clever: | which the frontends will use to wake the master up remotely |
| [00:33:44] | clever: | what i need is to have the slave waken when it needs to record |
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| [00:43:51] | AndyCap: | and so the spiral of abuse continues |
| [00:44:04] | venger: | I have partially figured out a weird issue where my HD access light blinks 1–2 times a second, while mythfrontend is idle at the main menu. I can't explain why though. If I disable the sata controller where my DVD-ROM hooks up to then the access light stops blinking at the main menu and as soon as i reboot and enable it, it starts blinking again at the main menu. I removed mythdvd as a test but that didn't change anything. |
| [00:44:04] | venger: | My guess is there may be some type of media monitor maybe? |
| [00:48:11] | clever: | venger: you could stop guessing and ask linux:P |
| [00:49:00] | clever: | venger: change over to root and echo a 1 into /proc/sys/vm/block_dump |
| [00:49:05] | venger: | why when it does not do it when mythfrontend isn't running? |
| [00:49:16] | clever: | it will now dump every single sector access to the kernel log |
| [00:49:23] | clever: | and say who and what |
| [00:49:39] | clever: | cd /proc/sys/vm |
| [00:49:52] | clever: | echo 1 > block_dump ;sleep 30; echo 0 > block_dump |
| [00:50:11] | clever: | it can get spammy so i try to have it shut off after a short delay then i can review the logs in peace |
| [00:50:46] | clever: | Aug 28 19:50:43 theP4 kernel: [1119763.015675] java(18557): WRITE block 1023455944 on dm-0 |
| [00:50:48] | clever: | ... |
| [00:50:53] | clever: | (its spewing 1000's of lines) |
| [00:51:00] | venger: | its worth a shot |
| [00:51:09] | clever: | Aug 28 19:51:05 theP4 kernel: [1119782.767168] kswapd0(153): WRITE block 430216 on sdd2 |
| [00:51:14] | clever: | Aug 28 19:51:05 theP4 kernel: [1119782.769565] mythbackend(22615): READ block 787066336 on dm-0 |
| [00:51:15] | LanUser: | Hello – anyone else have an issue with lirc_serial and 2.6.26? |
| [00:51:35] | clever: | LanUser: im having trouble on 2.6.24! |
| [00:51:36] | Dagmar: | This r not lirc |
| [00:52:07] | LanUser: | No one is in #lirc and everyone here uses it so I took a stab in the dark |
| [00:52:17] | clever: | i moved the blaster and card to a 2.6.22 system just to get recording fixed |
| [00:54:35] | cesman: | LanUser: perhaps it is worth taking a gander at the LIRC mailing list? |
| [00:55:06] | LanUser: | cesman: I've been through them, found one possible solution, but I don't understand the fix so I was hoping to get a tip or two |
| [00:56:09] | LanUser: | clever: are you getting this ? --> Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter |
| [00:56:31] | clever: | recompile the module |
| [00:56:54] | clever: | and check dmesg|tail |
| [00:57:15] | LanUser: | I have, with CVS, 0.8.3 and checked dmesg|tail |
| [00:57:32] | mzb_d800: | venger: doesn't mythtv monitor the dvd-drive to see if you've inserted a disk? ... even without mythdvd running there's still a setting somewhere |
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| [00:59:00] | venger: | mzb_d800, i'm thinking so mzb_d800 — can't really test right now since my child commondered the unit |
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| [01:10:40] | mzb_d800: | I'd probably go as far as betting it's DVDOnInsertDVD setting in the db |
| [01:10:56] | clever: | theres 2 ways to detect a disk being inserted |
| [01:11:24] | clever: | poke the drive every now and then or use the /tmp/mythtv_media fifo |
| [01:11:43] | clever: | which a hal script(i think) writes to durring the insert event |
| [01:12:09] | clever: | the fifo uses less cpu power but takes extra work to setup |
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| [01:20:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot] Wow, on-board gfx have come a long way... I've got another box with an on-board Nvidia with HDMI output, just bought an HDMI cable and an HDMI-DVI adapter... absolutely stunning picture quality... |
| [01:22:58] | venger: | what chipset J-e-f-f-A |
| [01:24:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | venger: Checking... it's an MSI board... |
| [01:25:37] | venger: | mzb_d800, DVDOnInsertDVD=0 in table Settings, i assume that is false |
| [01:25:49] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [01:26:04] | venger: | i'm pretty sure that something is accessing the DVD though because that light will still light up in that event |
| [01:26:13] | mzb_d800: | check the device setting then |
| [01:26:27] | venger: | i tried clevers suggestion and the only kjournald show'd up but that is expected |
| [01:26:45] | venger: | mzb_d800, you mean some type of insert notification or something? |
| [01:26:56] | mzb_d800: | I also noticed that entries for the dvd in /etc/fstab can make it confusing (from mythtv's perspective) |
| [01:27:21] | mzb_d800: | not sure what it's called... but found it to be a pita |
| [01:27:39] | mzb_d800: | I think mine =1 |
| [01:28:29] | mzb_d800: | DVDOnInsertDVD=1 |
| [01:28:36] | venger: | yeah i've never had the cdrom in the fstab as i always manually mount it, this is a debian sid box so it doesn't have that hald-addon-storage either |
| [01:28:38] | mzb_d800: | DVDDeviceLocation=/dev/hdc |
| [01:28:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | venger: Motherboard is MSI K9NGM3-FIH – uses Nvidia Geforce 7050 – nForce630a Chipset... |
| [01:29:02] | venger: | J-e-f-f-A, yea i was thinking must be be the 7000 series onboard |
| [01:29:59] | mzb_d800: | btw, I don't have the DVD monitored ... so maybe =1 is "off" ? |
| [01:30:16] | venger: | mzb_d800, could be. are you on .20 still or upgraded? |
| [01:30:17] | mzb_d800: | (sounds counter-intuitive but nm) |
| [01:30:24] | mzb_d800: | .21-fixes |
| [01:30:52] | mzb_d800: | (fairly recent rev .... prob. updated 1week ago) |
| [01:31:23] | venger: | this isn't as critical now that i feel its probably just the dvd drive/controller access triggering the light |
| [01:33:37] | venger: | i want to convert my installs over to all ubuntu from debian sid when i got to .21, i have setup new partitions and got the backend installed, just hard to get time to work on it. i wished they could of implemented protocol reverse compatibility but i suppose that was simply out of the question |
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| [01:48:09] | ** J-e-f-f-A may just have to buy a HD TV now... ;-) (but my 22" LCD is working great with the HDMI->DVI adapter... ;-) ** | |
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| [02:28:24] | devicenull: | I don't suppose it's possible to get mythtv to automatically discover connected usb drives and add media on them to my library? |
| [02:28:36] | devicenull: | I'd like to do the same with windows file shares as well |
| [02:29:05] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [02:29:18] | devicenull: | hmm |
| [02:29:39] | devicenull: | is it terribly difficult to add media to it from a external program? |
| [02:30:18] | iamlindoro: | Depends on what you mean by "external program" |
| [02:30:55] | iamlindoro: | if you're asking if there's anything but mythfrontend that can poll for and add media, then no |
| [02:31:07] | weevilofdoom: | can always have the shares mount at boot, and have a 'shortcut' to them in your "videos" etc directory ... works for me |
| [02:31:08] | devicenull: | I meant if I were to write it |
| [02:31:15] | iamlindoro: | if you're asking if you can mount or copy media into your MythVideo, then yes |
| [02:31:36] | devicenull: | weevilofdoom: problem with that is mythvideo doesnt update unless you go into the video manager |
| [02:31:37] | iamlindoro: | You won't know until you write it :) |
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| [02:31:41] | devicenull: | iamlindoro: :) |
| [02:32:19] | iamlindoro: | But no, it's probably not terribly difficult to copy the functionality of the video manager's polling to a command line utility |
| [02:32:56] | devicenull: | hmm I'll have to see if I can do that |
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| [02:33:08] | devicenull: | I'm kinda surprised no one has done it before |
| [02:33:25] | iamlindoro: | Every two weeks or so someone says they're going to do it, then go off and disappear |
| [02:33:44] | iamlindoro: | Everyone's long on ideas and short on work |
| [02:33:47] | devicenull: | :D |
| [02:33:51] | abarber: | So just moved my Myth box upstairs, and I'm having 2 problems |
| [02:34:00] | devicenull: | that's what I'm going to do too, I leave for school soon so I dont have the desire right now |
| [02:34:06] | abarber: | 1) It's a widescreen TV and I have the black bars on the sides |
| [02:34:44] | abarber: | 2) channel up shows the channel i want to go to in a blue box, but does not go up until i press "ok" |
| [02:35:03] | abarber: | fixes? |
| [02:35:14] | weevilofdoom: | change aspect ratio for #1 |
| [02:35:27] | abarber: | is that a backend setting? |
| [02:35:33] | weevilofdoom: | no |
| [02:35:38] | weevilofdoom: | don't think so? |
| [02:35:46] | abarber: | i'll look in a sec |
| [02:36:07] | iamlindoro: | backend settings control basic setup, not playback |
| [02:36:10] | weevilofdoom: | and as for #2, i'd prefer it that way |
| [02:36:18] | iamlindoro: | what does playback? The frontend. So there's your answer. |
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| [02:36:31] | abarber: | thanks guys |
| [02:36:36] | iamlindoro: | #2 is chantged in general TV settings |
| [02:36:45] | iamlindoro: | start reading the checkboxes |
| [02:37:05] | iamlindoro: | (right there on the first page) |
| [02:37:06] | abarber: | it's weird because i just unplugged it and moved it |
| [02:37:15] | abarber: | and it wasn't like that before |
| [02:37:27] | iamlindoro: | DB settings don't change themselves |
| [02:37:40] | iamlindoro: | And claiming otherwise just makes one seem clueless |
| [02:37:43] | abarber: | could it be a keybinding issue? |
| [02:37:46] | iamlindoro: | No |
| [02:37:59] | abarber: | okay |
| [02:38:07] | abarber: | i guess i am mistaken |
| [02:39:05] | iamlindoro: | The odds of the DB corrupting itself and, of all the possible ranges of corruption, going from a 0 to a 1 on a single setting when it could just as easily be a bunch of gibberish... well, you see the unliklihood of that :) |
| [02:41:53] | iamlindoro: | Also, you will want a setting activated in the "Playback OSD" screen, I'll leave you to see which :) |
| [02:42:30] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback OSD |
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| [02:48:51] | mzb_d800: | I'm having a play with the idea of a menu-driven OSD (for my music videos) and I'd like to find a way where I can set a number of keys for navigation using irexec |
| [02:49:32] | mzb_d800: | ideally, I'd like irexec to point to a script, and if I'm not playing music, those keys should be processed "normally" |
| [02:49:58] | mzb_d800: | is there a nice way of telling lirc(d) that a key has been pressed (when it hasn't) ? |
| [02:50:11] | mzb_d800: | like a dummy event? |
| [02:50:32] | mzb_d800: | ie: echo "MODIFIED_RIGHT" > /dev/lirc |
| [02:50:39] | mzb_d800: | (if you see what I mean) |
| [02:51:46] | mzb_d800: | *or* is it possible to replace lircrc while xine is playing, and then restore on exit (without mythtv b0rking?) |
| [02:52:42] | abarber: | iamlindoro: might that setting have been audio related? |
| [02:53:08] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:53:13] | clever: | mzb_d800: i think mythtv stores it in memory once started |
| [02:53:19] | iamlindoro: | It's the one whose description is EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED FOR |
| [02:53:22] | clever: | which is why you need to restart mythfrontend after updating the file |
| [02:53:24] | abarber: | because my audio isn't changing with the channel change |
| [02:53:35] | iamlindoro: | you are wayyyy off |
| [02:53:52] | iamlindoro: | lord, you can lead a horse to water, but apparently you have to hold his head under until he stops moving |
| [02:54:15] | iamlindoro: | go back the the playback OSD screen |
| [02:54:26] | iamlindoro: | now READ all descriptions associated with any checkboxes |
| [02:54:42] | iamlindoro: | Which should be quick as there's only two of them |
| [02:55:00] | clever: | those get cut off because the box is too small |
| [02:55:07] | abarber: | oh, i already changed that |
| [02:55:11] | abarber: | the browse mode |
| [02:55:21] | iamlindoro: | Then tadaaaa, that's all you need for the Chanup to go immediate |
| [02:55:31] | abarber: | right, thank you |
| [02:55:36] | mzb_d800: | for eg: I want to steal arrow keys (from myth) while xine is playing |
| [02:55:40] | mzb_d800: | dm ... I'll tinker |
| [02:55:52] | abarber: | i was scrolling through, but my audio was not changing |
| [02:56:03] | abarber: | stuck on dr. phil, regardless of channel |
| [02:56:10] | iamlindoro: | are you using some shite framegrabber? |
| [02:56:32] | clever: | even my frame grabber can only tune a single aud&vid pair at a time |
| [02:56:45] | clever: | i dont see how the audio would become seperated from the video channel |
| [02:57:12] | abarber: | i am mystified |
| [02:57:20] | iamlindoro: | That's what you get for ordering TV from the Dr Phil Cable network |
| [02:57:22] | abarber: | i'll try again |
| [02:57:27] | abarber: | lol |
| [02:57:38] | iamlindoro: | You can watch any TV you want but you will OBEY DR PHIL |
| [02:58:34] | mzb_d800: | ah ... I have an idea |
| [02:58:43] | ** mzb_d800 scurries off to play ** | |
| [02:59:03] | abarber: | the volume seems to be really low |
| [02:59:12] | abarber: | i put mixer volume all the way up to 100 |
| [02:59:18] | abarber: | any other fixes? |
| [03:02:36] | abarber: | now it switched to family guy |
| [03:05:47] | wagnerrp_: | well that cant be good |
| [03:06:34] | abarber: | lol |
| [03:06:39] | abarber: | figured it out |
| [03:06:48] | abarber: | wrong outputs on receiver |
| [03:06:53] | abarber: | i am an idiot |
| [03:07:00] | abarber: | iamlindoro was right |
| [03:07:22] | abarber: | the only thing left is getting the volume louder |
| [03:07:50] | abarber: | i have receiver maxed, mixer volume maxed, TV volume maxed.. |
| [03:08:42] | abarber: | and it's barely audible |
| [03:09:03] | Dagmar: | Are you deaf? |
| [03:09:09] | abarber: | haha |
| [03:09:17] | abarber: | unfortunately no |
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| [03:12:36] | clever: | my system is handling the loads better today |
| [03:12:44] | clever: | 3 transcodes, 3 nfsroot systems, 2 recordings |
| [03:13:27] | clever: | 2 file systems |
| [03:15:32] | abarber: | there has to be an override for the sound |
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| [03:26:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I run a cron job daily that sets the root password to a random value with between 40 and 80 characters including random numbers of digits, uppercase, lowercase, and special characters |
| [03:27:12] | iamlindoro: | sphery, heheh |
| [03:27:22] | sphery: | hasn't stopped me from breaking my systems, though (just seriously broke 11 last week, actually) |
| [03:27:40] | iamlindoro: | so imagine how clever feels ;) |
| [03:27:55] | sphery: | :) |
| [03:28:00] | iamlindoro: | he has 11 broken systems holding up a short chair leg |
| [03:28:52] | sphery: | but if the fastest one is running at 400MHz, does it really count as 11 systems? |
| [03:29:19] | iamlindoro: | I'm fairly certain most of his systems TOTAL 400 Mhz |
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| [03:42:44] | iamlindoro: | I would feel better about it if he didn't seem to always be breaking myth by compiling against existing/old libraries |
| [03:44:00] | wagnerrp_: | help me, i cant seem to get mythtv compiled witg gcc 1.79 |
| [03:44:36] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [03:45:09] | wagnerrp_: | hell, i think they were midway through the 2s before i had ever heard of gcc |
| [03:45:09] | clever_: | 4.1.3 seems plenty new:P |
| [03:45:55] | wagnerrp_: | well im actually in the process of compiling 4.1.2, and i bet ill still be in the process for the next 2 hours |
| [03:46:11] | iamlindoro: | clever_, You need to build a new system, FROM SCRATCH, and not compile or patch ANYTHING yourself, and then install trunk, hopefully from someone *else's* packages, *then* if it crashes I'll call it legit |
| [03:46:34] | clever_: | i'll need a new card atleast:P |
| [03:46:49] | clever_: | enless i use my slave recorder as a totaly seperate system |
| [03:47:03] | clever_: | but the frame grabber will suck 70% of the cpu and leave little for valgrind... |
| [03:47:47] | iamlindoro: | oh, new caveat, you can't use any hardware that cannot still be purchased new in a store |
| [03:47:51] | wagnerrp_: | well considering valgrind needs some 10–20x more power... |
| [03:48:06] | iamlindoro: | This may involve collecting your next year's allowance |
| [03:48:11] | clever_: | wagnerrp_: yeah i tried it on my existing setup, it maxed out for 400mhz |
| [03:48:29] | wagnerrp_: | iamlindoro: i dont even have much equipment that can still be purchased new in a store |
| [03:48:54] | wagnerrp_: | power supplies, cases, one of my tuner cards |
| [03:49:01] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp_, yes, but *you* can keep myth running for longer than the rotation of an electron |
| [03:49:11] | wagnerrp_: | but i bet all of my machines have been obsoleted |
| [03:49:20] | wagnerrp_: | even the P35 sitting next to me |
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| [03:56:35] | weevilofdoom: | :( |
| [03:56:39] | weevilofdoom: | i loved p35, too |
| [03:56:41] | weevilofdoom: | sooo juicy |
| [03:58:57] | clever_: | i expect my slave to crash if i make it do 2 recordings back2back, enless the diff has to do with the pvr150 or the fact its master |
| [03:59:12] | clever_: | so im going to schedule 2 to make it die |
| [03:59:37] | wagnerrp_: | ive got a slave with a pair of 150s and a 1250 |
| [04:00:19] | wagnerrp_: | ive done at least 12 hours straight of recording when scifi does reruns of shows during the day |
| [04:00:54] | clever_: | lol |
| [04:01:07] | clever_: | i first noticed the problem when i turned a slave into the master |
| [04:01:10] | clever_: | and moved the card over |
| [04:01:17] | clever_: | it happened a few days after that |
| [04:01:23] | wagnerrp_: | although i dont think ive ever done back-to-back recordings |
| [04:01:36] | wagnerrp_: | the cards usually alternate because i have it overlap a few minutes |
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| [04:01:55] | clever_: | which is exactly why i put my frame grabber back |
| [04:02:01] | clever_: | to stop it from doing back2back and crashing |
| [04:02:25] | clever_: | but that only works until dad comes back |
| [04:02:33] | clever_: | then he will want his desktop back:P |
| [04:03:02] | wagnerrp_: | spend $100 and buy a lot of 150s on ebay, problem solved |
| [04:03:19] | clever_: | last i tryed, the tuner quality was horid |
| [04:03:34] | clever_: | im surprised at how good of a picture im getting out of my framegrabber without an STB |
| [04:04:31] | clever_: | there, ive forced it to record 2 shows in a row on the framegrabber |
| [04:04:42] | clever_: | by 1:30 i'll know if it also affects that system |
| [04:04:49] | clever_: | which i can more afford to crash several times a day |
| [04:05:30] | clever_: | and the load of 3 transcodes and a record is making the hdd system lag so i cant watch anything on it |
| [04:05:43] | clever_: | so i'll just spin the chair and use the laptop |
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| [04:09:31] | olejl: | Can somebody help me? I get an error when trying to compile SVN 18224 (downloaded today). http://pastebin.com/d2a8ccc0c |
| [04:10:41] | clever_: | have you installed mythtv yet? |
| [04:10:49] | olejl: | yes |
| [04:10:51] | clever_: | you cant compile the plugins until mythtv itself is installed |
| [04:11:26] | wagnerrp_: | why is it linking both 0.22 libraries and qt3 libraries? |
| [04:11:26] | clever_: | thats the only thign i can think of |
| [04:12:49] | olejl: | ehhhh. I don't know... |
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| [04:17:00] | olejl: | Mythtv is compiled and installed (and working) |
| [04:18:12] | wagnerrp_: | you used the same prefix and all? |
| [04:19:16] | olejl: | I can answer yes to prefix. For all I will not guaranty |
| [04:20:34] | olejl: | Could it make a difference if I make distclean for mythtv? |
| [04:25:03] | wagnerrp_: | is there a libmythui-0.22 in /usr/lib? |
| [04:26:01] | wagnerrp_: | actually, you seem to be compiling in place |
| [04:26:14] | wagnerrp_: | rather than in some temporary directory |
| [04:26:39] | wagnerrp_: | and i guess it would be /usr/local/lib |
| [04:26:46] | clever_: | yeah that is a weird place to keep the source |
| [04:27:15] | olejl: | I forgot one minor detail. When I ./configure Mythtv I get the following warning: Warning! QtWebkit headers not found, MythBrowser will not work. |
| [04:27:34] | clever_: | hmmm, maybe tthats it! |
| [04:29:51] | sphery: | olejl: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythtv-co . . . t_test.patch or hard-code the path to your Qt includes in check_header QtWebKit/QWebView line of configure, make distclean, rerun configure |
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| [04:30:41] | olejl: | The libmythui-0.22 is in /usr/local/lib64. What do you mean this is a weired place to keep the source? |
| [04:30:56] | olejl: | sphery: Thanks I will check it out |
| [04:32:14] | clever_: | nope, back2back on the slave framegrabber doesnt crash anything |
| [04:32:28] | wagnerrp_: | you prefixed with '/usr/local', as opposed to the more standard '/usr' on most distros |
| [04:32:33] | wagnerrp_: | but thats entirely your choice |
| [04:32:50] | clever_: | configure defaults to /usr/local |
| [04:32:59] | wagnerrp_: | really... |
| [04:33:09] | olejl: | I followed this guide http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_MythTV_SVN_on_Fedora |
| [04:33:22] | clever_: | thats what it was doing to me before i started using --prefix |
| [04:33:34] | wagnerrp_: | well do you have any purpose to using trunk as opposed to 0.21-fixes? |
| [04:34:31] | olejl: | no not really other than I'm trying to learn a little |
| [04:34:59] | wagnerrp_: | trunk is usually perfectly fine for user consumption |
| [04:35:19] | wagnerrp_: | but due to the QT4 switch over, there are bound to be instabilities cropping up |
| [04:35:34] | wagnerrp_: | its just better to use fixes unless you have some specific need for trunk |
| [04:35:58] | olejl: | (and I decided to do this when mythplayer crashed when trying to play a H-264 video) |
| [04:36:06] | olejl: | I mean mplayer |
| [04:36:21] | clever_: | nothing stops you from upgrading only mplayer |
| [04:36:25] | wagnerrp_: | well mplayer is completely separate from mythtv |
| [04:36:35] | clever_: | ye |
| [04:36:36] | clever_: | p |
| [04:36:38] | olejl: | Yes I know |
| [04:39:13] | clever_: | mew new --prefix is 140mb so far and its not done installing |
| [04:39:17] | clever_: | my new |
| [04:40:48] | wagnerrp_: | hey, gcc finally finished compiling! |
| [04:43:32] | clever_: | yes tv_play does take 15mins on some systems:P |
| [04:43:41] | clever_: | its a massive beast |
| [04:49:24] | fryfrog: | i'm a big fan of the -fixes branch too |
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| [04:58:54] | olejl: | Everything compiled fine after I used --disable-mythbrowser |
| [04:59:44] | wagnerrp_: | alternatively, you could have installed qtwebkit, if you wanted the browser plugin |
| [05:00:51] | olejl: | I tried yum install qtwebkit but nothing was found. Is this something I have to compile as well? |
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| [05:02:14] | clever_: | olejl: the package is called libqt4-webkit under ubuntu |
| [05:02:32] | clever_: | searching the package list is often better then assuming the package doesnt exist because of 1 wrong name |
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| [05:07:29] | olejl: | I find WebKit-qt v1.0.0.0, mythtv configuration requires v4.4.0 so this is probably not the same thing? |
| [05:08:00] | clever_: | sounds like a newer version from the decimal places |
| [05:08:14] | clever_: | 1.0... > 0.4... |
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| [05:08:29] | clever_: | cant hurt to try |
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| [05:12:46] | olejl: | No didn't help... |
| [05:19:37] | kdubya: | my suggestion |
| [05:19:51] | kdubya: | install firefox and forget mythbrowser |
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| [06:01:27] | obake-san: | ok |
| [06:02:40] | obake-san: | would rather not bypass the computer completely, building a projector using a lcd screen and would like to run games on the projector |
| [06:02:48] | clever_: | ahh |
| [06:03:14] | clever_: | tearing appart a vga lcd panel? |
| [06:03:17] | obake-san: | yes, also a pain in the ass, but its almost done assuming we dont break another screen |
| [06:03:20] | obake-san: | yea |
| [06:03:30] | clever_: | what game console? |
| [06:03:34] | obake-san: | buying them on ebay with broken backlights |
| [06:03:37] | clever_: | some new ones i think have something like vga output |
| [06:03:42] | obake-san: | xbox360 and wii |
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| [06:04:57] | clever_: | '# MultiAV multi-output port for component, composite, S-video,[83] RGB SCART[84] and VGA[85]' (for the wii) |
| [06:05:14] | clever_: | obake-san: http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?page=shop.prod . . . amp;Itemid=1 |
| [06:06:01] | clever_: | obake-san: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 |
| [06:06:19] | clever_: | using items like those last 2 links, you can connect the computer and wii to the projector and switch between them |
| [06:07:10] | clever_: | also the 'Xbox 360 Core' seems to have some type of VGA out |
| [06:07:56] | obake-san: | $40 for a cable, damn |
| [06:08:22] | clever_: | ebay might have cheaper ones |
| [06:08:24] | clever_: | just like it has cheap 'broken' lcd panels |
| [06:08:26] | fryfrog: | 360 has vga out if you buy a cable, but it *does* also have hdmi out on new models |
| [06:08:46] | clever_: | hdmi wont do much good on a vga projector |
| [06:08:47] | obake-san: | heh |
| [06:08:58] | fryfrog: | ah, yeah quite true |
| [06:09:08] | fryfrog: | but if you are buying LCD panels, why not get one with DVI and VGA? |
| [06:09:13] | fryfrog: | unless you already have it? |
| [06:09:25] | obake-san: | cheap monitors, and its already shipped |
| [06:09:35] | fryfrog: | DVI converts to HDMI with a $5 cable, I'm *pretty* sure they'll go the other way no-problemmo |
| [06:09:45] | clever_: | fryfrog: he is buying lcd's with busted backlights |
| [06:09:47] | fryfrog: | ah, a perfectly good reason to go with VGA! :) |
| [06:09:57] | obake-san: | i cant imagine its easy to find a small lcd with dvi |
| [06:10:10] | fryfrog: | clever_: i'm pretty sure a DVI lcd monitor can have a busted back light too ;) |
| [06:10:12] | wagnerrp_: | dual link DVI cannot run over HDMI |
| [06:10:25] | wagnerrp_: | similarly, HDMI 1.3 cannot run over DVI |
| [06:10:28] | fryfrog: | wagnerrp_: dual link dvi is for *HUGE* monitors |
| [06:10:51] | fryfrog: | if he is making an LCD into a projector, I doubt he is going for 24" LCD screens :p |
| [06:11:03] | clever_: | fryfrog: yeah but they would also be larger and more expensive |
| [06:11:09] | fryfrog: | obake-san: i'm sure they exist, but since you've already purchased it don't matter much. |
| [06:11:20] | wagnerrp_: | the 1.3 standard requires too much bandwidth, although i assume the devices are capable of dropping to a compatible level |
| [06:11:25] | obake-san: | even 15" is a little too big for the projector |
| [06:11:32] | wagnerrp_: | 24" screens still run on single-link |
| [06:11:32] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:11:42] | obake-san: | but its as close as im gonna get |
| [06:11:43] | fryfrog: | ah, is it only > 24"? |
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| [06:11:51] | fryfrog: | I *know* 30" requires dual link |
| [06:11:54] | clever_: | i find the lcd panel itself breaks first when under large ammounts of shock |
| [06:11:59] | clever_: | ive done it... |
| [06:12:00] | fryfrog: | well, actually i guess it is the resolution that matters, not the panel size |
| [06:12:08] | fryfrog: | except that resolution is loosly tied to panel size |
| [06:12:20] | wagnerrp_: | unless you get that 22.1" QQXGA screen |
| [06:12:40] | wagnerrp_: | or QWQXGA, something like that |
| [06:12:40] | clever_: | the liqiuid is somewhat leaking internaly and you can see it pooling when you shine a light thru it |
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| [06:14:06] | clever_: | obake-san: where are you getting the lenses for the projector? |
| [06:14:41] | obake-san: | its just a standard overhead projector |
| [06:14:44] | obake-san: | like schools have |
| [06:14:53] | clever_: | ahh |
| [06:15:02] | clever_: | drop the lcd on it and seal the edges? |
| [06:15:10] | obake-san: | just put the bare lcd screen on top, and it supposedly works great |
| [06:15:15] | obake-san: | yea |
| [06:15:24] | obake-san: | and bam, cheap projector |
| [06:15:25] | clever_: | yeah, my math teacher had a lcd designed for that |
| [06:15:31] | clever_: | you pluged it into the calculator |
| [06:15:39] | obake-san: | lol |
| [06:15:49] | clever_: | then he could show the complex formulas/graphs on the board |
| [06:16:10] | clever_: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TI85_graphing_calculator.jpg |
| [06:16:40] | obake-san: | most of my professors either were in a room with a real projector or just wrote stuff out on transparent paper |
| [06:17:06] | obake-san: | i cant think of ever seeing a lcd on an overhead projector |
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| [06:18:41] | clever_: | obake-san: http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/Images/TI-VSP85.jpg |
| [06:18:43] | clever_: | i think that was it |
| [06:19:03] | obake-san: | if one of the other tv programs would work, i could just use that, but tvtime xawtv and motv just dont want to work with my card |
| [06:19:28] | obake-san: | and vlc has almost as much lag as mythtv |
| [06:19:49] | fryfrog: | i've seen the ti lcd on an overhead projector too, pretty neat |
| [06:19:58] | clever_: | yep |
| [06:20:01] | fryfrog: | thign got pretty hot, i wonder if it ever melts |
| [06:20:10] | obake-san: | heh |
| [06:20:17] | clever_: | my teacher mainly ran it off the calculator baterys |
| [06:20:21] | fryfrog: | good poor mans projector though |
| [06:20:24] | clever_: | they probly dont last too long:P |
| [06:20:25] | obake-san: | with the lcd on top of the overhead u need a fan across it to keep it cool |
| [06:20:31] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [06:20:56] | clever_: | my laptop's lcd panel has no hinges atm |
| [06:21:07] | clever_: | and the 'cord' for the power/vid is about 5 inches long |
| [06:21:24] | clever_: | if i removed the difuser i could use it on a projector with little trouble |
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| [06:21:44] | clever_: | except the cords run across the back of the screen |
| [06:22:10] | clever_: | changing the direction would mean unpluging the backlight board |
| [06:22:30] | clever_: | would also give me another 5–6 inches of cord |
| [06:23:25] | wagnerrp_: | time to backup my system before upgrading |
| [06:23:38] | clever_: | i didnt realy backup the last few upgrades i did |
| [06:23:41] | clever_: | until i got to the nfsroot |
| [06:23:42] | wagnerrp_: | ive got something to record in 6 hours |
| [06:23:55] | clever_: | that was a simple cp -r nfsroot nfsrootbackup |
| [06:23:58] | wagnerrp_: | i dont want to botch something and not have time to repair it |
| [06:24:17] | wagnerrp_: | well this is a 'tar jcvfp myth0.tar.bz2 myth0' |
| [06:24:20] | clever_: | i managed to keep mythbackend somewhat stable DURRING the upgrade |
| [06:24:20] | wagnerrp_: | but same concept |
| [06:24:32] | clever_: | also, i added an export for the backup |
| [06:24:42] | clever_: | so i can still boot the old release off the network if i want to |
| [06:24:56] | clever_: | i just tell pxelinux to boot the 'old' profile and im in the backup! |
| [06:24:58] | wagnerrp_: | i can unpack it and boot as needed |
| [06:25:15] | clever_: | also i suspect using lvm snapshots would aid too |
| [06:25:31] | clever_: | i could easily fetch a config the upgrade trashed or roll the whole thing backwards |
| [06:25:47] | wagnerrp_: | well my local disks only store recordings |
| [06:25:55] | wagnerrp_: | and my remote server doesnt support lvm |
| [06:25:56] | clever_: | 1 of my systems has root on lvm, which also greatly helped to inflate root +1gig |
| [06:26:24] | clever_: | my dads computer was running with a 2gig linux partition bearly holding the os |
| [06:26:26] | wagnerrp_: | ive been considering reinstalling that machine with XFS so i could do such things |
| [06:26:39] | clever_: | i converted the 600mb swap into a oversized /boot and made it netboot |
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| [06:27:00] | clever_: | it now holds grub the kernel and initrd(stolen from nfsroot/boot/) |
| [06:27:15] | clever_: | and it netboots like any other system(but doesnt need pxe working) |
| [06:27:16] | wagnerrp_: | not XFS... ZFS |
| [06:27:27] | clever_: | and works just fine as a recording slave |
| [06:27:44] | wagnerrp_: | ZFS includes snapshotting, virtual partitioning, and all those goodies |
| [06:27:44] | clever_: | only job left is to resize the ntfs to be ~3gig larger |
| [06:27:49] | clever_: | neat |
| [06:28:01] | clever_: | though i can do most of that with lvm and ext3 |
| [06:28:37] | clever_: | resize2fs has been taking hours to inflate, so i just gave up and created a 2nd massive 'partition' and added it as a storage group |
| [06:29:25] | clever_: | i should move that 3month old backup out of my laptop now:P |
| [06:30:11] | clever_: | how big is it.... |
| [06:30:45] | clever_: | 29gig |
| [06:31:30] | clever_: | how much is free... |
| [06:32:08] | clever_: | 9gig |
| [06:32:09] | clever_: | .... |
| [06:32:22] | clever_: | uhhh,houston, we have a problem |
| [06:33:45] | clever_: | found 24gig i can move out |
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| [06:39:24] | clever_: | crap |
| [06:39:25] | clever_: | ntfs read only |
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| [07:43:51] | k-man: | whats the cheapest way to get an IR receiver for mythtv? (one that can do any remote) |
| [07:44:04] | k-man: | sorry, i meant for my linux box |
| [07:44:14] | k-man: | not specificaly mythtv – but one that works with lirc |
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| [07:45:35] | Maliuta: | is there a dedicated dvb channel? |
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| [07:56:38] | purserj: | Maliuta: it appears so |
| [07:56:42] | purserj: | try #dvb |
| [07:58:57] | Maliuta: | purserj: thanks, this damn thing is just wrong ... it keeps crashing my usb bus |
| [08:02:59] | justinh: | sphery: who cares where they all go if they don't come here after being redirected? Do they give up? Do they have an epiphany & suddenly realise they could find out by clicking on the first link google provides? Who knows... |
| [08:03:41] | justinh: | nobody's gonna wonder where all the people have gone because the $19.99 inc taxes has stopped rolling in :P |
| [08:04:32] | justinh: | hahaha apparently my ISP doesn't think SVG is an image type |
| [08:04:55] | justinh: | uploaded an svg to my webspace last night. checked it just now & all I see is xml |
| [08:09:30] | justinh: | ruh? works on a different machine. wth?! maybe it's a problem with firefox on hardy |
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| [08:50:54] | justinh: | heheh forum post asking why PowerDVD on windows is refusing to play a bluray disc. It's saying no HDCP. He's updated his drivers & everyfink! Could it be that his monitor doesn't have HDCP? LOL. Hello, welcome to the wonderful world of HD |
| [08:52:20] | fryfrog: | Thank god they decided to lock down their precious new HD format, you can pay for a wonderful new movie and only watch it by commiting a crime. |
| [08:56:43] | justinh: | damned if I'd buy a new 22" LCD just so I can watch a film. FFS |
| [08:59:08] | justinh: | roflmao.. http://i332.photobucket.com/albums/m330/PaulA . . . image018.jpg |
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| [09:10:48] | fryfrog: | okay, that was totally funny :) |
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| [13:09:28] | ajh: | is there a way to suspend recording for a bit if you know your source is blank but still want to play things off the backend? |
| [13:09:41] | directhex: | yes |
| [13:09:49] | directhex: | have a blank source. nothing will be scheduled. |
| [13:10:05] | ajh: | without deleting the existing ones? |
| [13:10:39] | ajh: | I'm looking for a single-click level of convenience, otherwise it's easier to just delete the blank shows. |
| [13:10:46] | directhex: | if the existing one has no data (e.g. you use EIT) then nothing will be scheduled |
| [13:11:09] | directhex: | if you delete the source entirely, then it can lead to missing show data |
| [13:11:53] | ajh: | right, so no real way to do what I wanted. |
| [13:12:06] | stuarta: | you can just use per show overrides |
| [13:12:37] | stuarta: | just go into upcoming recordings and for each one that would record add a dont record override |
| [13:13:10] | ajh: | That also wouldn't do it, if I knew what timeframe would be missing it might. |
| [13:13:10] | stuarta: | there's no magic on/off switch for a source |
| [13:13:29] | stuarta: | option2. have the source on a slave backend |
| [13:13:42] | stuarta: | which when not connected it'll be scheduled around |
| [13:13:58] | ajh: | yeah, not worth the expense. |
| [13:24:26] | ** mzb_d800 has the basics of an osd_menu working for his music videos (to add selections to the current playlist) ** | |
| [13:24:48] | mzb_d800: | *horribly crude* (as usual;) |
| [13:26:52] | mzb_d800: | but it *works* ! |
| [13:27:44] | anenigma: | i'll beta test that! |
| [13:28:19] | mzb_d800: | I'll pastebin the script if you like |
| [13:30:25] | mzb_d800: | http://fastpaste.net/147/ |
| [13:30:43] | mzb_d800: | goes along with my play_random.sh script (which uses xine) |
| [13:31:06] | mzb_d800: | still alpha ;) |
| [13:31:22] | mzb_d800: | but definitely can select songs and add them to the current list |
| [13:31:24] | justinh: | blimey |
| [13:32:01] | mzb_d800: | will get WAF**2 if I can get it usable |
| [13:32:21] | mzb_d800: | I also have a technique for making the selected line a different colour ... but that's another matter |
| [13:33:18] | mzb_d800: | best NOT to run it without looking at it ... you'll probably lose your .lircrc ;) |
| [13:34:08] | mzb_d800: | scratch that ... didn't end up using it ... err |
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| [13:35:12] | mzb_d800: | err... need to put that back in ... will do later |
| [13:44:38] | justinh: | the more I think about how much tv programmes have in common with videos, the more I think about how mythvideo could be integrated |
| [13:44:53] | mzb_d800: | yep ... I just didn't want to wait ;) |
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| [13:45:41] | mzb_d800: | the approach with lirc involved killing irexec (not sure if necessary), swapping links for .lircrc and restarting irexec (necessary?) |
| [13:46:10] | mzb_d800: | so that "familiar keys" can be used to control xine |
| [13:46:22] | mzb_d800: | err |
| [13:46:23] | mzb_d800: | hang on |
| [13:46:27] | justinh: | why would you need to do that? |
| [13:46:43] | justinh: | you can have .lircrc with program = xine :) |
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| [13:47:27] | mzb_d800: | because I wanted to use the arrow keys to do irexec commands ... which (as a result) can't be tied to xine |
| [13:47:44] | mzb_d800: | what I did was to put those snippets into play_random.sh |
| [13:48:00] | mzb_d800: | # Fork irxevent |
| [13:48:01] | mzb_d800: | IREXPID="$(pidof irexec)" && [ -n "$IREXPID" ] && kill -9 "$IREXPID" |
| [13:48:09] | mzb_d800: | irexec -d /home/mythtv/.lircrc.MUSICVIDEO |
| [13:48:10] | mzb_d800: | IRXPID="$(pidof irexec)" |
| [13:48:17] | mzb_d800: | rm ~/.lircrc |
| [13:48:18] | mzb_d800: | ln -s ~/.lircrc.MUSICVIDEO ~/.lircrc |
| [13:48:28] | mzb_d800: | ^^ that happens prior to starting xine |
| [13:48:57] | mzb_d800: | and after xine exits, I've added |
| [13:49:05] | mzb_d800: | # Kill irxevent |
| [13:49:05] | mzb_d800: | kill -9 $IRXPID |
| [13:49:12] | mzb_d800: | rm ~/.lircrc |
| [13:49:13] | mzb_d800: | ln -s ~/.lircrc.MYTHTV ~/.lircrc |
| [13:49:24] | mzb_d800: | I *think* it all works |
| [13:50:18] | mzb_d800: | let's see if I can paste 5 lines ;)) |
| [13:50:21] | mzb_d800: | begin |
| [13:50:21] | mzb_d800: | prog = irexec |
| [13:50:21] | mzb_d800: | remote = leadtek |
| [13:50:21] | mzb_d800: | button = Left |
| [13:50:21] | mzb_d800: | config = my_OSDmenu.sh Left |
| [13:50:22] | mzb_d800: | end |
| [13:50:26] | mzb_d800: | eg ^^ |
| [13:50:33] | mzb_d800: | in /home/mythtv/.lircrc.MUSICVIDEO |
| [13:50:51] | mzb_d800: | but in ~/.lircrc.MYTHTV, it needs to be: |
| [13:51:06] | justinh: | hrm I fancy tackling the 'mark as watched' feature for mythvideo at some point. because I want it too |
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| [13:52:47] | mzb_d800: | not sure about the irexec + lircrc swapping thing ... will have to fiddle with it further |
| [13:54:25] | justinh: | might be a doozy to add playlisting to mythvideo too :) |
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| [13:54:45] | mzb_d800: | I'd imagine in the long term that mythtv might end up with a common interface to all the media ... possibly filtered by tags for particular menu entries : like Recordings, Videos, Music ... etc |
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| [13:55:03] | justinh: | yeah that's the way I've been thinking about it |
| [13:55:16] | mzb_d800: | rather than having seperate interfaces for all the functions |
| [13:55:27] | justinh: | maybe keep induvidual menu entries but the underlying schemes would be the same/similar |
| [13:55:36] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [13:55:57] | mzb_d800: | then (in theory) *any* media file can be tagged so that it's visible in it's respective menu |
| [13:55:57] | justinh: | well, with mythui coming along nicely it's going to be possible |
| [13:56:24] | mzb_d800: | ie: recordings would automatically be tagged with "recording" ... and so on |
| [13:56:25] | justinh: | then if (just an audio file) { do visualiser } |
| [13:56:39] | justinh: | all so easy in theory |
| [13:56:44] | mzb_d800: | yeah, or album art, etc |
| [13:57:02] | mzb_d800: | the idea and how to implement it is the start, I guess :) |
| [13:57:18] | mzb_d800: | but it seems to me that most of the basic tools are there |
| [13:57:48] | justinh: | I can see why recordings & videos are separate at the momemnt |
| [13:57:54] | mzb_d800: | sure |
| [13:58:13] | justinh: | I mean – there's no point trying to look up the recording options of a video ;) |
| [13:58:55] | justinh: | and the way recordings are deeply entrenched in the program table as opposed to just having dumb metadata in the recorded table |
| [13:58:59] | mzb_d800: | but a tagging system should be able to get around that .... and have the additional bonus that all the interfaces should be similar |
| [13:59:18] | justinh: | with the benefit of hindsight, lots is possible ;) |
| [13:59:30] | mzb_d800: | yeah |
| [14:00:30] | justinh: | I had a rather random idea at lunchtime actually |
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| [14:01:13] | AndyCap: | justinh: you mean you have organized ideas? |
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| [14:01:40] | justinh: | lol |
| [14:01:51] | ** AndyCap is envious ** | |
| [14:02:36] | ** mzb_d800 can only manage "simulated" organised ideas ** | |
| [14:03:02] | justinh: | anyway, thought it'd be quite nice to have a 'general info displayer' plugin where $whateverprogram could be run (in whatever language) which returns data in a predefined format (say XML).. then parse said file & show the results onscreen. rinse, repeat as necessary. |
| [14:03:06] | mzb_d800: | (that's what they might look like at the end;)) |
| [14:03:42] | justinh: | or is that basically just an rss reader? |
| [14:06:51] | AndyCap: | sounds simpler than a rss reader. |
| [14:07:09] | justinh: | can't think of any real use for it yet though |
| [14:07:20] | AndyCap: | justinh: well, I'm sure some can. :) |
| [14:07:54] | justinh: | could be even more simple than python bindings some were rabbiting on about I think |
| [14:18:42] | justinh: | would be like a really simple plugin API. I think a lot of things would suit that approach. hell if something is outputting xml, it needn't be restricted to text & still images |
| [14:19:02] | justinh: | well, _files_ and xml ;) |
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| [14:27:19] | AndyCap: | justinh: it could output myth theme xml. :P |
| [14:28:11] | justinh: | yesh but if it was a 'proper' way to do it, all those nasty scripts out there which take that approach would be helped along a bit |
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| [14:28:52] | AndyCap: | hmm, how advanced was the notify thing again |
| [14:29:11] | justinh: | mythnotify ? |
| [14:30:07] | AndyCap: | yes |
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| [14:36:29] | LanUser_: | Hello – anyone able to get lirc_serial to load using kernel 2.6.26.3 ? |
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| [14:37:15] | justinh: | does the system log say anything about needing to use setserial to disable the serial port the lirc module is going after ? ;) |
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| [14:38:05] | LanUser_: | justinh: no, just this in dmesg "lirc_serial: no symbol version for lirc_unregister_plugin" |
| [14:38:26] | justinh: | did you build lirc with the right kernel headers installed? |
| [14:38:57] | ** justinh whacks sourceforge over the head with a pickaxe ** | |
| [14:38:58] | LanUser_: | There is some supposed fix for 2.6.26 that involves copying files into the kernel source and recompiling the kernel, but that recompile fails for me |
| [14:39:22] | justinh: | copying files into the source? not patching? |
| [14:41:01] | LanUser_: | justinh: /usr/src/linux ist sym-linked to 2.6.26.3, I have headers installed for 2.6.24.19.21 |
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| [14:42:23] | LanUser_: | yeah, the suggested fix is here --> http://vdr-portal.de/board/thread.php?postid=738978#post738978 |
| [14:43:44] | justinh: | shouldn't you have headers for the kernel you're running though? |
| [14:44:45] | LanUser_: | I never completely understood it, but I didn't think there were headers for every version of the kernel, I could be wrong though |
| [14:45:42] | directhex: | you're wrong |
| [14:45:56] | directhex: | when a kernel is compiled, headers for that exact kernel come along for the show |
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| [14:46:07] | directhex: | if your os doesn't offer you the appropriate headers, your os is broken |
| [14:47:21] | LanUser_: | I'm using Ubuntu 8.04 but compile my own kernel, which is now 2.6.26.23 |
| [14:47:26] | iamlindoro_: | I had this same argument with some guy not two days ago |
| [14:47:45] | iamlindoro_: | He said headers belonged to kernel major revisions only |
| [14:47:49] | iamlindoro_: | So I shot him in the face |
| [14:48:15] | directhex: | you compiled your own kernel, so you have your own headers, and provide your own kernel support |
| [14:48:31] | justinh: | I'd be tempted to use a lirc grabbed from their cvs, or at least a newer snapshot |
| [14:48:45] | directhex: | iamlindoro_, the way redhat & suse deal with headers, such lack of knowledge is inevitable |
| [14:48:56] | LanUser_: | ok, something's up with either the kernel or lirc, one is broken, I've got the latest CVS from LIRC |
| [14:49:26] | iamlindoro_: | directhex: s/headers/everything/ |
| [14:49:51] | justinh: | http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php? . . . me=lirc-list |
| [14:52:14] | LanUser_: | that's a patch for the kernel right, not LIRC right? |
| [14:53:19] | directhex: | erm |
| [14:53:25] | directhex: | look at the diff. which files are being changes? |
| [14:53:33] | directhex: | +++ drivers/lirc_dev/lirc_dev.c 4 Aug 2008 14:54:04 -0000 |
| [14:53:36] | directhex: | +++ drivers/lirc_i2c/lirc_i2c.c 4 Aug 2008 14:54:04 -0000 |
| [14:53:45] | justinh: | as Spot the cat once said... "ychhhhhhhhh".. |
| [14:54:19] | directhex: | and you might need to mod the patch for 2.6.26 instead of 2.6.27 |
| [14:54:35] | LanUser_: | right, thanks, I'll give it a whirl |
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| [15:18:18] | LanUser_: | oh bloody hell, I can't get it to patch, it IS for patching lirc right? not the kernel? |
| [15:18:58] | directhex: | which of thsoe two do you think contains lirc_dev.c and lirc_i2c.c ? |
| [15:19:32] | LanUser_: | lirc source |
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| [15:22:08] | hume: | hi... I am trying to set up a new mythtv-backend (ubuntu hardy). I run the Mythtv-backend setup from the meny, and get to choose language. Then I get the message "No Upnp backends found". What does this mean, what I am missing? |
| [15:22:35] | hume: | I have created a mysql database and user and set the password right in /etc/mysql-txt |
| [15:23:13] | ** justinh calls it a day ** | |
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| [15:25:02] | LanUser_: | hume: you mean you get this when you run mythtv-setup ? |
| [15:25:10] | hume: | yes |
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| [15:26:09] | hume: | I note that in the file /etc/mythtv-txt the DBtype= has no value...? |
| [15:26:58] | hume: | there seems to be a ubuntu package called mythtv-database – is that what I should install or would that mess things up? |
| [15:27:36] | directhex: | it would have worked if you'd installed it before messing with /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and with mysql |
| [15:27:36] | LanUser_: | is everything else using ubuntu packages or is this something your compiling from source? |
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| [15:28:02] | hume: | directhex, no problem in retracking....:) |
| [15:28:11] | hume: | LanUser_, everything is ubuntu packages |
| [15:29:02] | directhex: | how did you even install the backend without the database? |
| [15:29:16] | hume: | just choose mythtv-backend package... |
| [15:29:29] | hume: | of course I have mysql installed separately |
| [15:30:11] | directhex: | hm, mythtv-database is only a Suggests: ? |
| [15:30:23] | directhex: | stupid maybe-prople-will-install-DB-on-different-machine people |
| [15:30:41] | hume: | directhex, dont remember if it was even suggested |
| [15:30:44] | AndyCap: | directhex: on the home mysql cluster of course. |
| [15:30:55] | directhex: | hume, it was suggested. |
| [15:31:02] | hume: | ok |
| [15:31:04] | directhex: | Suggests: mythtv-database |
| [15:31:21] | directhex: | my suggestion is use the "mythtv-backend-master" package |
| [15:31:32] | directhex: | which pulls in all the things you need for running a mythtv backend on one box |
| [15:31:42] | hume: | ok |
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| [16:07:28] | Dubstar_04: | Can anyone reccomend online storage? |
| [16:07:51] | Dubstar_04: | ha ha, not in general, i meant an actual host |
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| [16:50:23] | rockyroc1: | hi guys, i have Skystar2 (rev1) DVB card, can i use mythtv on Ubuntu 8.04.1 to watch DVB channels??? |
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| [16:52:50] | rockyroc1: | it's PCI card by the way |
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| [16:56:35] | sphery: | rockyroc1: best I can say is, "If the card works on Linux, it should work in MythTV." |
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| [16:56:44] | sphery: | But I don't know that particular card. |
| [16:57:03] | laga: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . I#Quick_test – oops, someone got caught using sasc ;) |
| [16:57:37] | rockyroc1: | sphery: oky, it's supported "i can find DVB folder in /dev". |
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| [16:58:04] | sphery: | laga: nice... |
| [16:58:11] | iamlindoro_: | laga: and a regular in here no less |
| [16:58:28] | iamlindoro_: | Present now, even |
| [16:59:01] | rockyroc1: | oky then, I have Mythbuntu CD, can i install all i need from this CD without using the internet?? Because i don't have a good internet now |
| [16:59:24] | sphery: | rockyroc1: better question for #ubuntu-mythtv |
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| [16:59:41] | laga: | rockyroc1: yes. |
| [16:59:59] | sphery: | (though, of all people to help, laga is one of the best suited :) |
| [17:00:05] | laga: | hush |
| [17:00:06] | laga: | ;) |
| [17:00:15] | rockyroc1: | laga: thnx |
| [17:00:36] | sphery: | laga: BTW, do you know if MS core web fonts are a prereq for install of the Ubuntu packages? |
| [17:01:16] | sphery: | just wondering since both of the themes distributed with mythtv (i.e. not in myththemes) require Arial |
| [17:01:24] | laga: | sphery: ttf-liberation or mstt-corefonts |
| [17:01:53] | laga: | msttcorefonts is in multiverse AFAIK so it used to be pulled in automagically |
| [17:01:58] | laga: | now it should prefer ttf-liberation |
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| [17:02:27] | sphery: | so does ttf-liberation actually create fonts named, "Arial," etc. or does it use font substitution to make it preferred? |
| [17:03:02] | sphery: | (either way, cool to know that there's a "free" alternative (though I wonder whether copying the metrics counts as stealing...) |
| [17:03:37] | jams: | sphery- LiberationMono-Bold.ttf |
| [17:03:54] | sphery: | I just wanted to make sure that we don't get a bunch of "no words" posts/questions as some distros don't seem to install fonts that are required for the themes. |
| [17:04:30] | laga: | we would have noticed by now in ubuntu ;) |
| [17:05:36] | sphery: | Yeah, you guys are typically on top of it--and I'm sure it's the packagers who don't hang out in here who haven't noticed. Also was curious how a Deb-based distro was handling it (because of the MS font license). |
| [17:06:02] | laga: | sphery: msttcorefonts pulls the fonts from sourceforge |
| [17:06:17] | laga: | afk now, i'll read the backlog if you have more questions |
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| [17:08:15] | sphery: | laga: Got it. I also see the font substitution in the package. Glad because now I can point to that for a reply to someone's question about how I was making the font subs work (as I don't want to become the "maintainer" of something like that). thx |
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| [17:19:55] | Huijari: | is there a way to configure the backend without X installed on the backend machine? |
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| [17:20:50] | sphery: | Huijari: There's no way to install mythbackend on the backend machine without X installed. |
| [17:21:29] | sphery: | Huijari: If you want a way to configure the backend without X /running/ on the backend machine, use ssh -Y or vnc (i.e. shell into the backend and run vncserver). |
| [17:22:50] | sphery: | Huijari: MythTV uses Qt3 and one prerequisite of Qt3 is X. If you're using trunk (and you really shouldn't be), it uses Qt4, which can be installed without X, but that configuration is not (yet) supported by MythTV (so you get to blaze the trail). |
| [17:23:40] | Huijari: | well, i guess i'll have to install X then... |
| [17:24:08] | sphery: | Huijari: on the bright side, X takes up less space than 10 minutes of /extremely/ poor quality video. |
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| [17:26:24] | Huijari: | well, i was considering using the backend machine as a frontend for my projector also, now i don't have to ponder whether to install X on it or not :) |
| [17:27:22] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: Nice work on MythCalc. Just wondering if you had any interest in updating MythHello or mythtutorial2 ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/341666#341666 ). I was thinking they might be easier to follow as a basic plugin--especially if you had to do "extra" stuff for the keys/navigation in MythCalc (just guessing based on conversation in #mythtv). |
| [17:27:33] | sphery: | Huijari: Don't you love it when the universe makes decisions for you? :) |
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| [17:31:39] | Dubstar_04: | sphery: That is the intention of mythcalc, I will be writing a (hopefully) comprehensive tutorial on what al the code does and how to compile it! |
| [17:32:07] | Dubstar_04: | And a section on how to edit it also |
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| [17:32:40] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: Cool. Thanks. That will be /very/ helpful to prospective plugin developers. |
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| [17:33:45] | Dubstar_04: | I've only learned over the last couple of weeks and it would of been really good it this has existed |
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| [17:35:39] | sphery: | kormoc: Just curious if you had any special plans for the MythVideo section of MythWeb regarding the Directory Structure section. Will it always be shown (it takes up a /lot/ of space) or could it be shown only if VideoBrowserNoDB is enabled? Will it be possible to "collapse" directories (like in file managers) or remove those that don't contain videos in the currently selected category/genre/...? |
| [17:36:49] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [17:37:02] | sphery: | kormoc: BTW, I'm not asking you to do these things, just wondering if doing them would be a waste of time... :) |
| [17:37:37] | kormoc: | Heh, I was planning to make it be able to hide (meaing move over to a super thin box on the left side with a small plus to expand it |
| [17:37:49] | sphery: | that would work for me :) |
| [17:38:34] | sphery: | Or even just moving it to the right side (preferrably left-justified at 100%) so it's only visible if I scroll right :) |
| [17:39:16] | kormoc: | As for the dir box being more dynamic, that's not overly hard actually, and can be done fairly easily |
| [17:39:50] | sphery: | I'm still trying to figure out the "easy peasy" add the title of the just-deleted recording rule to the popup :) |
| [17:40:21] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [17:40:26] | kormoc: | that's a good idea actually |
| [17:40:37] | kormoc: | At times I do wonder what rule recorded THAT show :P |
| [17:41:13] | kormoc: | VideoBrowserNoDB would indicate that mythvideo's web interface should be disabled actually, no? |
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| [17:41:18] | kormoc: | given it's not using the database layout? |
| [17:41:47] | sphery: | I got a "recording rule deleted" popup immediately upon logging in to MythWeb and had no idea what happened until you told me that it would still give you the notification from your last session if you didn't wait (but then I was curious which rule got deleted). |
| [17:41:59] | kormoc: | ahh, gotcha |
| [17:42:35] | kormoc: | Yeah, the error notification work is in planning stage (which means I'm letting it stew in my brain) |
| [17:43:03] | sphery: | Yeah, VideoBrowserNoDB isn't really a good match, but seemed closest to what I'm looking to achieve (i.e. ignore filesystem structure because I just want to view my already-configured-in-the-DB collection) |
| [17:43:05] | kormoc: | cause I really want to get it less intrusive (meaning no alerts) and actually show the errors/warnings in the correct tabs when you have meny open |
| [17:43:16] | sphery: | that would be cool. |
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| [17:43:57] | kormoc: | The file broswer in the video section is actually entirely based on the db, you can change it all you want in the filesystem and it won't change till you rescan |
| [17:44:09] | sphery: | I can't wait 'til I can update to trunk to enjoy the fixes for the never-disappearing-until-you-hover-over-the-same-link popups |
| [17:44:14] | kormoc: | (which I need to fix up like the real scanning interface) |
| [17:44:25] | sphery: | still don't think trunk's ready for production, though. |
| [17:44:29] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [17:45:01] | kormoc: | sphery, Shh, here's a secret, likely mythweb's trunk will work with 0.21-fixes without any changes other then disabling the schema check (which is a apache env var) |
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| [17:45:20] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, I noticed that, but it's the display of directory/filename info that I dislike (my filenames are good filenames, but not good UI names) |
| [17:45:27] | sphery: | my titles are good UI names |
| [17:45:44] | kormoc: | Ahh |
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| [17:47:15] | sphery: | Basically, I put each video in a different dir (so I have a /ton/ of dirs) and name files like, "Serenity-[DVD-2005]" or whatever--of course, though, not that because Serenity would have been an encrypted DVD, which I couldn't use on a Linux box, but you get the idea. |
| [17:47:36] | kormoc: | Yeah, I understand |
| [17:47:41] | kormoc: | That would kinda suck |
| [17:48:09] | sphery: | Unfortunately, I don't really have a good solution to offer, but was wonder where you planned to go with the interface. |
| [17:48:13] | ** laga hands lindvd to sphery ** | |
| [17:48:25] | sphery: | I thought lindvd was dead |
| [17:48:37] | laga: | suse vorkon is still shipping it |
| [17:49:05] | sphery: | "LinDVD, InterVideo's Linux software DVD player, is currently available only to manufacturers for evaluation and integration" |
| [17:49:19] | laga: | yeah, so it's not exactly dead |
| [17:49:29] | laga: | just gently caress'ed up |
| [17:49:32] | sphery: | I "manufactured" (from an OEM standpoint) all my boxes and even created the distro for them from source... |
| [17:49:57] | sphery: | don't think that's good enough for them, though (not to mention I'm sure it's /very/ expensive :) |
| [17:50:07] | laga: | heh, yeah |
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| [17:51:10] | AndyCap: | didn't intervideo license some windows media crap as well |
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| [17:51:19] | AndyCap: | MS alibi in court iirc |
| [17:51:28] | sphery: | laga: I'm very impressed with your knowledge of other distros, too. I'd think with the amount of time you spend on Ubuntu, you wouldn't have time to figure out other distros. |
| [17:51:41] | sphery: | AndyCap: they're the ones that made WinDVD |
| [17:51:48] | laga: | sphery: when did i show knowledge on other distros? :) |
| [17:51:52] | AndyCap: | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8421395858.html |
| [17:52:07] | AndyCap: | there we go. I bet that died when the EU got done sentencin |
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| [17:52:47] | laga: | sphery: i don't spend that much time on ubuntu (it's mostly yelling at debuild and debhelper this cycle, and some mythtv hacking) |
| [17:53:03] | sphery: | :) |
| [17:53:22] | sphery: | You must have a young person's definition of "not much time" :) |
| [17:55:27] | laga: | yes. |
| [17:56:06] | laga: | which is a bit unfortunate. i can just hope i'm getting more efficient as time passes by (and other stuff grabs my attention) :) |
| [17:56:11] | kormoc: | sphery, one thought, I could have a 'slice x dirs off of path' option, so you could slice the last dir off the path and they would virtually show up in the parent dir? |
| [17:58:59] | sphery: | Slicing off the right? |
| [17:59:29] | kormoc: | Aye, so your /videos/genre/title would convert to /videos/genre and group in that menu that way |
| [17:59:41] | sphery: | That would make it more pretty. |
| [17:59:59] | sphery: | don't waste a lot of time on it, though. |
| [18:00:19] | sphery: | I could always restructure my MythVideo videos to make it work better with what we have. |
| [18:00:45] | sphery: | Now I'm trying to figure out why when I click on some directories I get a completely blank page. |
| [18:00:53] | kormoc: | Meh, it's not that hard actually, just a setting and a array chop |
| [18:01:00] | sphery: | (i.e. no response--probably a 500 error) |
| [18:01:10] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:01:53] | sphery: | Hmmm. It's a 200 in the log. |
| [18:02:18] | kormoc: | if you're using firefox, firebug helps a ton in debugging |
| [18:02:25] | sphery: | [Fri Aug 29 14:00:49 2008] [error] [client 172.16.12.15] PHP Fatal error: Call to a member function fetch_col() on a non-object in /srv/www/htdocs/myth/modules/video/handler.php on line 250 |
| [18:02:32] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:02:51] | sphery: | that's an older version of trunk (pre-Qt4), so line number probably won't help you. |
| [18:03:03] | sphery: | and you may well have fixed it. :) |
| [18:03:16] | kormoc: | Heh |
| [18:03:43] | sphery: | It's the line: while ($intid = $sh->fetch_col()) |
| [18:04:05] | kormoc: | it likely means the db didn't connect right or the query bombed out for some reason |
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| [18:05:13] | sphery: | It always happens on the same dirs, though. |
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| [18:09:33] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:09:48] | kormoc: | I wonder if it's returning a null result set and the db object doesn't handle it |
| [18:09:58] | sphery: | trying to reconstruct the query. |
| [18:11:38] | sphery: | gotta figure out $db->escape() |
| [18:14:00] | kormoc: | it's basically a wrapper for mysql_escape |
| [18:14:16] | kormoc: | mainly just escaping quotes " ' and the like |
| [18:14:50] | sphery: | don't know if this is my reconstruction or what's actually happening: ERROR 1139 (42000): Got error 'invalid character range' from regexp |
| [18:15:16] | kormoc: | Well, that'd cause the issue for sure |
| [18:17:11] | sphery: | Seems to be the regexp on: $where .= ' AND videometadata.filename RLIKE '.$db->escape($escaped_path.'[/]*[^/]*$'); |
| [18:17:21] | sphery: | in modules/video/handler.php |
| [18:18:00] | sphery: | though--again--it may be my interpretation/reconstruction of it. |
| [18:18:26] | sphery: | How do I enable MySQL's query logging? Is that the bin-log thing? |
| [18:19:52] | sphery: | kormoc: I think we need to escape [ and ] --which aren't DB-special, but seem to be DB regexp special |
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| [18:20:29] | sphery: | it fails on every single one where I have a number inside square brackets |
| [18:20:51] | kormoc: | they are regex special, they indicate range operators, aye |
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| [18:20:57] | kormoc: | although, I seem to recall maybe fixing that |
| [18:21:53] | sphery: | Don't see anything in r18198 |
| [18:22:23] | sphery: | (that's trunk r18198--I booted my dev box) |
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| [18:24:15] | sphery: | that probably also explains why on nearly all dirs--those with the square brackets, which I use because MythVideo removes them from the filename when autocreating a title--I get no results (meaning the directory nav didn't work for me) |
| [18:24:55] | sphery: | it fails with a blank page if there's a number in the brackets and it fails with an empty set (i.e. shows no results) without a number in there |
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| [18:26:31] | ajh: | argh, when you have a directory for a set of logfiles there is no need to prefix them again... just means completion sucks. |
| [18:27:57] | kormoc: | sphery, kk, I'll fix that up this weekend hopefully, keep poking me if I don't :P |
| [18:28:25] | kormoc: | /var/log/myth/log/myth.log.service.log ? |
| [18:28:27] | sphery: | yeah, I was trying to fix it myself to post a ticket/potential-patch reminder, but I can't figure out how... |
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| [18:28:56] | sphery: | is . a match anything in DB regexp? |
| [18:29:06] | kormoc: | sphery, I think I'd create a new method on the db object called escape_regex or the like that would escape + the regex special chars |
| [18:29:13] | kormoc: | yeah, it is, for one char |
| [18:29:23] | sphery: | even replacing with that doesn't work... |
| [18:29:27] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:29:59] | kormoc: | try .*? |
| [18:31:08] | sphery: | like, for a quick hack: $escaped_path = str_replace('[', '.*',$_SESSION['video']['path']); |
| [18:31:25] | sphery: | (did the same for ']') it's not working |
| [18:32:02] | sphery: | wonder if $db->escape() is escaping that after I "fix" it... |
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| [18:35:09] | sphery: | Yeah, it's definitely a problem with escaping--I can get it to work in mysql. I'll keep hacking on it. Thanks for the help. |
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| [18:43:12] | AlNahar: | AHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [18:43:28] | AlNahar: | how do you select a record to archive? i mean, check the box? enter won't work, etc |
| [18:44:30] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [18:46:49] | iamlindoro__: | press right |
| [18:46:58] | iamlindoro__: | (with the box selected) |
| [18:47:16] | iamlindoro__: | Definitely worthy of the blood curdling scream |
| [18:47:24] | iamlindoro__: | </facetious> |
| [18:48:02] | AlNahar: | i did |
| [18:48:12] | AlNahar: | it doesn't work, it changes to a different "show recordings" thing |
| [18:48:21] | AlNahar: | it must have changed recently because pressing right used to work |
| [18:48:30] | AlNahar: | pressing right changes from "all recordings" to a filter |
| [18:48:37] | justinh: | I have an idea. I think there could be some mileage in making some kind of ui guidelines doc |
| [18:48:49] | AlNahar: | oh wait, i got it |
| [18:48:50] | AlNahar: | yay |
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| [18:57:13] | iamlindoro__: | mkrufky: don't get my new baby until Tuesday, boo |
| [18:57:35] | justinh: | heh we're gonna have a new menu option from tonight here. DO YOGA |
| [18:58:21] | iamlindoro__: | Lots of geeks would like exercise to be a menu option, so long as someone else does it for them |
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| [18:59:50] | iamlindoro__: | the_alien: Yes, so long as the backend is running |
| [18:59:58] | the_alien: | hmm |
| [19:00:03] | iamlindoro__: | and you have defined locations for various things in a frontend |
| [19:00:09] | iamlindoro__: | and scanned for them as appropriate |
| [19:00:17] | the_alien: | what locations? |
| [19:00:26] | iamlindoro__: | locations for videos, music, etc. |
| [19:00:45] | the_alien: | are the recordings shared through upnp? |
| [19:00:58] | iamlindoro__: | to some devices, yes |
| [19:01:12] | mkrufky: | aww, iamlindoro__ |
| [19:01:15] | mkrufky: | its worth the wait |
| [19:01:17] | iamlindoro__: | heh |
| [19:01:24] | the_alien: | i'm trying to watch my recordings on my xbox |
| [19:01:28] | iamlindoro__: | 360 or normal |
| [19:01:37] | the_alien: | was trying it with the native mythtv support of xbmc |
| [19:01:42] | the_alien: | normal |
| [19:01:43] | iamlindoro__: | oh this again |
| [19:01:51] | iamlindoro__: | all bets are off with xbmc, who the eff knows |
| [19:02:05] | the_alien: | i dont understand |
| [19:02:26] | justinh: | if you want upnp to worky, the backend can't be running bound to 127.0.0.1 |
| [19:02:34] | iamlindoro__: | also that |
| [19:02:41] | justinh: | I mean work & be available on the network |
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| [19:03:19] | iamlindoro__: | as in, most people in here consider xbmc a weird hack, and making myth work with it is even more of a hack, so we mostly just don't try |
| [19:03:26] | the_alien: | ah ok, that... yeah its bound to localhost |
| [19:03:57] | the_alien: | iamlindoro__, u would recommend using a linux system ob the xbox? |
| [19:04:07] | Dagmar: | justinh: Yeah that was what was keeping me from using uPnP |
| [19:04:07] | iamlindoro__: | I would recommend xbox games on the xbox |
| [19:04:49] | the_alien: | and a small pc as frontend, hm? |
| [19:04:55] | iamlindoro__: | yep |
| [19:05:45] | the_alien: | when i'm earning enough to buy a pc just for television for about 400 EUR ... |
| [19:05:58] | the_alien: | then i'm happy |
| [19:06:28] | justinh: | wth is up with k9copy? doesn't seem to want to do what I tell it. ach well, ffmpeg it is |
| [19:06:38] | Dagmar: | Quick! Compile in more buffer overflows and segfaults! |
| [19:06:52] | the_alien: | untill this i think i have to transcode the recordings in order to get it working with xbmc ... working like... playing more than 10 minutes without crashing |
| [19:07:02] | justinh: | arghhh I forgot the distro I'm using |
| [19:07:14] | justinh: | well, there's always ogg |
| [19:07:15] | the_alien: | ? |
| [19:07:25] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: There's always medi****** |
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| [19:10:12] | justinh: | this ain't happening on this laptop. heh |
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| [19:26:07] | iamlindoro__: | oof, may have actually stop ignoring people using DVB-S2 |
| [19:26:34] | iamlindoro__: | as it appears the v4l-dvb folks have found themselves a way forward (finally) |
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| [19:26:45] | ** stoth laughs ** | |
| [19:26:49] | directhex: | :O |
| [19:26:50] | mkrufky: | heh |
| [19:26:54] | directhex: | consensus on an api? |
| [19:26:59] | mkrufky: | janneg: did you see this yet? |
| [19:27:33] | iamlindoro__: | Now who will I despise? |
| [19:27:44] | ** sphery hates wiki formatting in Trac ** | |
| [19:27:53] | ** iamlindoro__ picks.... Congolese. ** | |
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| [19:32:02] | justinh: | heh. thought of a way I can replace 3 HDDs in my backend with a 1TB sata drive |
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| [19:32:20] | directhex: | by buying a 1tb sata drive and plugging it in? |
| [19:32:23] | directhex: | GENIUS! |
| [19:32:25] | iamlindoro__: | That's nothing, clever can replace 132 drives with a 1 TB drive |
| [19:32:38] | ** directhex hands justinh an award for sata drive installation ** | |
| [19:32:50] | justinh: | no sata interface on the backend motherboard |
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| [19:32:57] | sphery: | I hate anything that prevents me from typing plain text... |
| [19:33:20] | justinh: | no pci-e either |
| [19:33:27] | Perdignus: | Anyone here using kernel 2.6.26.3 and lirc_serial ? |
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| [19:33:36] | sphery: | It'll take longer to figure out how to write the Trac summary than to test/debug/make the patch (which took forever because I didn't know what I was doing). |
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| [19:34:29] | justinh: | hrm I could still buy a regular PCI sata controller too. derrrrrrrr |
| [19:35:45] | Striker: | anyone have a hybrid analog/digital tuner? I can't seem to get mine to work at all for some reason |
| [19:36:38] | Dagmar: | That's a v4l problem |
| [19:37:46] | iamlindoro__: | twue |
| [19:38:41] | AndyCap: | justinh: buy cheap crappy sata->pata converter on dealextreme? |
| [19:38:52] | Striker: | well, i've gotten this exact same type of card to work in another mythbox before...all the drivers and stuff seem fine |
| [19:39:01] | Striker: | s-video actually works too |
| [19:39:34] | justinh: | AndyCap: we tested some at work which actually do the biz. if they work with our heath-robinson IDE interface they'll work with anything |
| [19:44:01] | sphery: | kormoc: There's a ticket/starter-patch on #5656 . I'm not sure which is uglier, the patch or the ticket. Thanks for the help, though. |
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| [19:48:53] | equim: | hello all... I've used mythbuntu quite happily for a couple of months now, yesterday I had a powercut and now mythfrontend only responds to arrow keys and mouse input – no other keys work... any ideas where to start? |
| [19:49:20] | sphery: | run optimize_mythdb.pl from the contrib directory |
| [19:49:30] | sphery: | sounds like a broken DB |
| [19:49:48] | sphery: | once that's done, restart everything for good measure |
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| [19:50:32] | equim: | ok will try that, thanks |
| [19:50:42] | sphery: | gl |
| [19:50:51] | equim: | I thought it must be the DB but seems strange that that is the only prob |
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| [19:51:42] | sphery: | would be the only problem if only the keybindings table were crashed |
| [19:51:44] | sphery: | :) |
| [19:53:05] | iamlindoro__: | way to emasculate him |
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| [19:53:17] | iamlindoro__: | That's not what it says on the wiki |
| [19:53:29] | iamlindoro__: | bravo! |
| [19:53:42] | ** iamlindoro__ starts slow, individual claps ** | |
| [19:54:12] | iamlindoro__: | Oh... sorry... thought this was that *other* mythtv-users |
| [20:07:06] | ** Maliuta can't catch a break with tuners ATM ** | |
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| [20:09:07] | Maliuta: | Got a "Leadtek Winfast DVT-1000 S" that all the bits on seem to be supported, just not glued into current versions of the code |
| [20:09:31] | mkrufky: | glue it yourself |
| [20:09:39] | mkrufky: | when you get it working, please send in a patch to linux-dvb |
| [20:09:50] | mkrufky: | so that others may benefit from your work |
| [20:10:00] | Maliuta: | and an "MSI Mega Sky 580" usb stick that is supported, just that the damn thing takes the USB2.0 bus down every time I plug it into a machine |
| [20:10:16] | mkrufky: | heh, i had a stick that did that |
| [20:10:22] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: I started looking into that, just been busy |
| [20:10:23] | justinh: | too much current eh |
| [20:10:27] | mkrufky: | turns out, it was the MACHINE that was bad, not the stick |
| [20:10:33] | mkrufky: | faulty usb bus driver |
| [20:10:45] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: well I have plugged this into 3 machines and it does it to all of them |
| [20:10:52] | mkrufky: | 3 crappy machines |
| [20:10:55] | mkrufky: | just kidding |
| [20:10:56] | mkrufky: | lol |
| [20:11:02] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: and it works on windows on the laptop |
| [20:11:07] | mkrufky: | maybe you have a bad stick |
| [20:11:08] | mkrufky: | oh |
| [20:11:11] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: which was one of the 3 |
| [20:11:17] | mkrufky: | maybe a power issue |
| [20:11:39] | Maliuta: | power control in the kernel? |
| [20:11:59] | mkrufky: | in the usb bus |
| [20:12:14] | mkrufky: | im just guessing, dont take this as official answer |
| [20:12:27] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: it's a gl861 stick, look like you had something to do with writing the driver for :) |
| [20:12:51] | mkrufky: | i didnt write it, but i had a role in review and cleanup |
| [20:12:58] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: power issues on the usb bus of 3 separate machines? sounds unlikely |
| [20:13:12] | mkrufky: | i know, i was joking :-P |
| [20:14:04] | Maliuta: | I also can't find anywhere online to actually communicate with other ppl with that stick and linux, the place with the most traffic is an Ubuntu forum I can't seem to post to |
| [20:14:49] | Maliuta: | hmm, wonder if a downgrade to a 2.6.25.x kernel might make a difference |
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| [20:16:44] | mkrufky: | Maliuta: ask crope_ in #linuxtv |
| [20:17:05] | mkrufky: | Maliuta: actually... #linuxtv is _the_ place for this type of question .... other than the linux-dvb mailing list |
| [20:17:28] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: posted there already :) |
| [20:17:35] | mkrufky: | #mythtv-users is really for discussion about the mythtv application (of course i almost always go off-topic in here talkign about TV shows, but nobody has complained to me yet) |
| [20:18:51] | directhex: | where is GreyFoxx based? |
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| [20:20:33] | justinh: | to hell with this I'll lip the discs on my desktop |
| [20:20:33] | Maliuta: | mkrufky: I was just bitching ... maybe with a little hope thrown in :) |
| [20:21:38] | mkrufky: | heh, ok |
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| [20:26:59] | ** directhex requires a GreyFoxx ** | |
| [20:32:58] | wagnerrp_: | seems my ISP is finally going to require a hardware upgrade |
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| [20:38:09] | Maliuta: | wagnerrp_: what you have to put away the acoustic coupler? |
| [20:39:39] | Maliuta: | wagnerrp_: with the dumbterm attached to it? :) |
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| [20:53:40] | jblack: | It's zombies, but on a plane! |
| [20:54:31] | Maliuta: | where? |
| [20:54:39] | jblack: | "Flight of the living dead". |
| [20:54:40] | ** Maliuta sharpens the samurai sword ** | |
| [20:55:17] | Maliuta: | must ask one of my friends if he has seen that, he is a little too much into zombie flicks |
| [20:55:56] | jblack: | They're good study material for the upcoming and inevitable real zombie attack. |
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| [20:57:28] | the_alien_: | re hi |
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| [20:58:04] | jblack: | you do have plans for how to deal with a zombie attack, right? |
| [20:59:02] | the_alien_: | what if i have pre and postroll configured and would record a lot of episodes on the same channel |
| [20:59:09] | the_alien_: | one starts after the other |
| [21:00:08] | the_alien_: | is this a problem? |
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| [21:06:20] | wagnerrp_: | Maliuta: what are you talking about? |
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| [21:07:30] | wagnerrp_: | oh, no... replace my 12yr old cisco modem with a DSL2 one |
| [21:08:48] | justinh: | reminds me we need to downgrade our broadband |
| [21:09:40] | Maliuta: | justinh: you can grab wagnerrp_s dumbterm+coupler ;) |
| [21:09:58] | Maliuta: | the way the 'net was meant to be ;) |
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| [21:20:00] | dustybin: | justinh: you will need to upgrade it again when you host your own themes |
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| [21:28:46] | iamlindoro__: | Why in god's name would he ever do that? |
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| [21:51:18] | webvictim: | does anyone know a way of me forcing mythweb to regenerate thumbnails? |
| [21:51:33] | iamlindoro__: | delete the existing ones |
| [21:51:36] | iamlindoro__: | and then it will |
| [21:51:40] | webvictim: | ahhh... |
| [21:51:49] | webvictim: | just rm *.png? |
| [21:51:56] | webvictim: | (in the recording folders) |
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| [21:52:04] | jblack: | That sould do it. |
| [21:52:08] | webvictim: | ok, thanks. |
| [21:52:29] | jblack: | Flight of the living dead rocks. |
| [21:52:32] | webvictim: | well, it certainly sounds like it's doing something. |
| [21:52:33] | webvictim: | :) |
| [21:52:50] | iamlindoro__: | I actually think you need to delete the ones in the mythweb cache dir, not your recordings dir |
| [21:53:19] | jblack: | yeah, you need to take out the ones in your cache too. |
| [21:53:20] | iamlindoro__: | /your/mythweb/data/cache/*.png IIRC |
| [21:53:36] | iamlindoro__: | Should *only* need the cache ones |
| [21:53:51] | webvictim: | well, it's taking -ages- to refresh the recordings page |
| [21:53:56] | webvictim: | and the hard drive is going a bit nuts |
| [21:54:03] | webvictim: | so i reckon it must be regeneating them |
| [21:54:07] | webvictim: | *regenerating |
| [21:54:11] | iamlindoro__: | coolio |
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| [22:23:55] | iamlindoro__: | tdseth: It's probably as simple for you as apt-get install mythflix |
| [22:24:18] | iamlindoro__: | setting it up, however, is harder, and you should se the wiki page for that |
| [22:24:23] | tdseth: | I have done that... I was wandering how I put in my username, etc. |
| [22:24:33] | tdseth: | yeah, where's the wiki page? |
| [22:24:43] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythFlix_README |
| [22:24:53] | tdseth: | thanks |
| [22:27:12] | tdseth: | I'll be back ina few. |
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| [22:28:21] | iamlindoro__: | http://www.geektonic.com/2008/08/sagetv-movies-part-1.html |
| [22:28:30] | iamlindoro__: | God damn, how can these people really complain about MythVideo? |
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| [22:29:35] | directhex: | iamlindoro__, it *does* suck compared to xbmc |
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| [22:30:00] | iamlindoro__: | directhex: *there* I will give them a thumbs up, the xbmc movie interface is a cut above |
| [22:35:06] | ** iamlindoro__ wanders to mythtvnews to see what wild, made up random conjecture about MythTV has been posted lately ** | |
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| [22:42:59] | jblack: | ewww! |
| [22:43:53] | justinh: | the xbmc movie interface rapes imdb.com |
| [22:44:11] | justinh: | they don't give a stuff about T&Cs |
| [22:44:53] | directhex: | it rapes your choice of provider |
| [22:45:01] | directhex: | although the t&c thing is true |
| [22:45:52] | sphery: | the imdb.pl script may be removed from MythTV because of T&C's (Anduin is still trying to get permission--"however the other things did") |
| [22:46:11] | sphery: | if anyone happens to have contacts or know something, I'm sure he'd love help. |
| [22:46:19] | jblack: | hold on.... |
| [22:46:43] | jblack: | Terms and conditions can only apply if you agree, explicitely or implicitely, to the terms. |
| [22:47:10] | sphery: | regardless, we're not going to have any scripts that violate posted T&C's |
| [22:47:13] | jblack: | if you distribute a script that violates t&S, the enduser may get in trouble, but the project itself should be ok |
| [22:47:47] | sphery: | if you don't distriubte any scripts that violate T&C's, the project /will/ be OK. |
| [22:48:17] | jblack: | Hmm. if you follow that logic, if broadcast TV started before each show "Our T&C state that you may not record this show", then Myth would stop recording broadcast tv? |
| [22:48:34] | abarber: | is #mythtv-users archived? |
| [22:48:39] | sphery: | and users can then choose to go to dark corners of the 'net to download those scripts if they're confident they will be OK (or, if--as most people are--they happen to be above the law) |
| [22:48:40] | justinh: | yup |
| [22:49:08] | abarber: | where are they just justin? |
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| [22:49:42] | sphery: | jblack: Pretty sure that you have to have written permission from the NFL to record US NFL football broadcasts. (Actually, I think the courts slapped the NFL around for saying that, but ...) |
| [22:49:51] | iamlindoro__: | if only somehow a message was sent to everyone joining the room with that info |
| [22:49:56] | iamlindoro__: | oh yeah. It is. |
| [22:49:58] | sphery: | lol |
| [22:49:59] | jblack: | So, does myth block recording the superbowl? |
| [22:50:14] | cesman: | abarber: read the topic of the channel and click the link... |
| [22:50:23] | jblack: | Nearly every show claims copyright during some portion of it, and recording is an act of copying... |
| [22:50:25] | sphery: | Myth doesn't record the bowl who's name I don't have a license to use |
| [22:50:30] | sphery: | Myth users may choose to. |
| [22:50:53] | jblack: | So, why does the logic apply to one aspect, but not another? |
| [22:51:03] | sphery: | However, Myth has other, not-explicitly-forbidden, uses. imdb.pl would not have any other uses if we're not allowed to pull data from IMBd |
| [22:51:06] | sphery: | IMDb |
| [22:51:31] | jblack: | So, the situation isn't an identical parallel? |
| [22:51:33] | sphery: | anyway, post a hate message to the -users list when it gets removed. |
| [22:51:42] | AndyCap: | pull data from iafd? :P |
| [22:51:46] | sphery: | That's much more constructive than actually trying to get approval. |
| [22:51:52] | abarber: | cesman: the FAQ? |
| [22:52:00] | sphery: | AndyCap: I think that would be iafd.pl ;) |
| [22:52:26] | AndyCap: | if not fapfapfa.pl |
| [22:53:04] | jblack: | I'm not saying the logic is wrong. I just don't understand it. |
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| [22:53:58] | justinh: | I don't fully understand the logic in trying to prevent screen scraping. republishing, I realise isn't what a site might find acceptable |
| [22:54:00] | jblack: | And as a user, rather than a developer, I know that I don't (nor should have) much of a vote. |
| [22:54:05] | sphery: | jblack: then you can host imdb.pl on your website after it's removed. :) |
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| [22:56:15] | jblack: | Perhaps, if I thought the logic was wrong, and was willing to stand behind my opinion. |
| [22:56:25] | abarber: | i'm not seeing these archives... |
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| [22:56:34] | jblack: | Right now though, I'm trying to figure out what distinction you guys are seeing, that I'm not. |
| [22:56:35] | abarber: | other than the gossamer ones |
| [22:58:04] | jblack: | Is it something as simple as "broadcast won't sue us, IMDB might. Lawsuits are painful. we'd like to avoid one even if we'd inevitably be proven right". |
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| [22:59:54] | jblack: | Is that the case? Cause I can understand that. |
| [23:00:05] | sphery: | abarber: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=myth . . . aq=f&oq= |
| [23:00:16] | sphery: | abarber: you have to read /past/ the first 3 results |
| [23:01:16] | abarber: | haha |
| [23:01:19] | abarber: | thanks |
| [23:02:31] | sphery: | jblack: AIUI, DVR's are ubiquitous (thanks to TiVo and cable-/satellite-company DVR's), therefore, they are pretty firmly entrenched in the fair-use area of copyright. The idea of scripts going out and "stealing" data from websites, without providing the benefit of page views for advertising on the site to the site owners, is /not/ covered under fair use. |
| [23:03:35] | ** jblack thinks about that ** | |
| [23:04:20] | jblack: | Yeah, that makes sense. |
| [23:04:43] | justinh: | how would they even know that a script isn't just grabbing an ad & piping it to /dev/null though? ;) |
| [23:05:05] | sphery: | or that the user is running something like Ad Block |
| [23:05:23] | justinh: | obviously multiple hits in a given time period would be a giveaway though |
| [23:05:33] | sphery: | Regardless, it's their data, they have copyright on it (or, at least the compilation of that data). |
| [23:05:38] | jblack: | I think adblock doesn't download ads at all, so you can tell who does by who's grabbing pages, and not the ads on the page. |
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| [23:06:37] | jblack: | I suppose there's another difference. Added burden. recording a TV show doesn't cost the publisher another cent, while downloading a page has a (infitesimal) cost. |
| [23:06:53] | sphery: | but either way, it kind of proves the fact that people who prohibit page-scraping because it harms the advertiser value of the site are idiots. |
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| [23:07:12] | sphery: | Still, we live in a world of idiots--with lots of lawyers. |
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| [23:07:36] | jblack: | So, the right thing to do is to make a new service. |
| [23:07:50] | equim: | dangit.. optimize_mythdb and backend restart didn't fix my keyboard problem |
| [23:07:53] | jblack: | and who wants to go through that effort. |
| [23:08:08] | sphery: | jblack: that's a good point. Eventually, maybe the courts will clarify the whole idea. But--I truly hope--they don't do so with any of the Myth devs in the hot seat. |
| [23:08:14] | justinh: | jblack: isn't that how cddb started? |
| [23:08:36] | justinh: | user-generated content? I'd settle for that |
| [23:08:43] | jblack: | I think you're right. I think there is some precident for collusion as comes to torrent sites. They don't traffic in copyrighted software, but by providing the assist. |
| [23:08:54] | sphery: | justinh: and then freedb was created because of the draconian restrictions cddb placed on the user-generated content they stole... |
| [23:09:10] | jblack: | justinh: cddb has a kind of screwy history. started public, went proprietary, then freedb |
| [23:09:21] | justinh: | still a viable example though |
| [23:09:24] | sphery: | freedb is unrelated, isn't it? |
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| [23:09:38] | jblack: | freedb is a fork, iirc. |
| [23:09:42] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:09:54] | justinh: | any foo can paraphrase a plot synopsis |
| [23:09:57] | jblack: | The last publicly free cddb stuff, then from there.. |
| [23:09:58] | sphery: | basically took back what cddb stole from the community |
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| [23:10:33] | sphery: | there is actually a site that's attempting to recreate imdb's data but making everything less proprietary... I can't remember its name. |
| [23:10:44] | ** sphery digs through his IRC logs. ** | |
| [23:10:47] | jblack: | It might not hurt to contact the freedb guys, and say "Since you're kicking cddb in the balls anyways.... " |
| [23:11:42] | justinh: | thetvdb.com ? |
| [23:12:43] | justinh: | so far just for telly as far as I can tell |
| [23:13:19] | sphery: | justinh: now that I think about it, it may be a site that's upset with tv.com's stealing user-contributed content\ |
| [23:14:00] | justinh: | heh apparently imdb plot synopsis are user-generated a lot of the time |
| [23:14:01] | justinh: | jees |
| [23:14:11] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:14:12] | justinh: | bloody evil amazon |
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| [23:15:08] | sphery: | I purposefully do /not/ correct anything at tv.com (and I've found a /lot/ of wrong stuff). I don't get into movies as much, so I haven't found anything needing correcting at imdb, but if I did, I'd have to think about whether to do corrections... |
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| [23:16:49] | iamlindoro__: | Who wants to bet that in this screenie from the users list, the text between "Title" and "p" is ".x264.Leet-vids.1080"? |
| [23:16:51] | iamlindoro__: | http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8747/mythvideoii3.jpg |
| [23:17:16] | Dagmar: | Why would it even suprise you? |
| [23:17:28] | iamlindoro__: | Of course not :) |
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| [23:18:25] | justinh: | what's he even doing with 1080 vids on a 4:3 screen |
| [23:18:50] | sphery: | MOAR PIKSELZ |
| [23:19:01] | sphery: | (think that was an homage to iamlindoro__ ) |
| [23:19:02] | Dagmar: | Because he's a warez kiddie who doesn't have a damn clue that <1Gb file =! 1080 |
| [23:19:13] | Dagmar: | ...in any useful way |
| [23:19:25] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: Can't claim to own it, but I do use it a fair bit :) |
| [23:19:36] | sphery: | 1080i means 1280x1080, just ask DirecTV |
| [23:19:50] | iamlindoro__: | look at the title bar, though, it *is* a high res screen |
| [23:20:07] | directhex: | 1600*1200 |
| [23:20:07] | iamlindoro__: | 1900x1200 by the looks of it |
| [23:20:13] | iamlindoro__: | er, right |
| [23:20:18] | Dagmar: | It r also a mac user by the look of it |
| [23:20:20] | iamlindoro__: | 4:3 :) |
| [23:20:23] | sphery: | Oh, that's the "start bar" thingy on a full-screen cap, rather than a window cap |
| [23:20:35] | iamlindoro__: | I think that's linux |
| [23:20:36] | directhex: | i'm on a 4:3 1600x1200 screen! |
| [23:21:11] | sphery: | I thought apple's always had the 3840x2560 screens :) |
| [23:21:20] | directhex: | it's not apple. |
| [23:21:20] | iamlindoro__: | I'm pretty sure it's not an apple anyway |
| [23:21:31] | directhex: | it's a million miles from being an apple |
| [23:21:42] | iamlindoro__: | Well, I mean, it might be apple hardware for all I know, but it ain't OS X |
| [23:21:54] | sphery: | what theme is that? |
| [23:22:04] | sphery: | the highlight is actually on top of the folders |
| [23:22:30] | iamlindoro__: | sphery: Come on, use the right term for the warez kiddies, it's a "skin." ;) |
| [23:22:40] | sphery: | Oh, yeah. Forgot. |
| [23:22:51] | justinh: | would an onscreen logo placate imdb.com, I wonder? |
| [23:23:28] | justinh: | I know it's one of the 'features' of the amazon grabbing API |
| [23:24:02] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imdb#Copyright_issues |
| [23:24:18] | sphery: | All your plots are belong to us. |
| [23:25:53] | equim: | I can't even ctrl+alt+del or turn on numlock etc when in mythfrontend :/ |
| [23:26:49] | kormoc: | sounds like a corrupt X/kbd issue |
| [23:28:16] | equim: | hmm yeah |
| [23:28:40] | equim: | I dunno what's special about mythfrontend that's causing it tho |
| [23:30:36] | equim: | will try in ubuntu-mythtv since it's prolly not so much a mythtv problem |
| [23:32:31] | sphery: | justinh: Wow. Reading the T&C's of IMDb leaves no question about imdb.pl. http://www.imdb.com/help/show_article?conditions |
| [23:33:01] | justinh: | yeah I know but I can't help but wonder what might make them give us an unequivocal YES |
| [23:33:18] | sphery: | Sad thing is that Anduin has been trying to contact them, and TTBOMK, they're just not even responding. |
| [23:33:31] | justinh: | should we crank it up some more? ;) |
| [23:33:38] | justinh: | where do they live? :D |
| [23:34:18] | iamlindoro__: | next to xris |
| [23:34:27] | iamlindoro__: | Tell 'im to go knock |
| [23:34:41] | sphery: | He can take care of. You don't want to get xris mad... |
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| [23:34:57] | justinh: | send faxes, letters.. damn.. |
| [23:34:57] | Tatsh: | anyone here have a motorola DCH3416 working? |
| [23:35:11] | justinh: | get everybody on the lists to send a paper letter / fax |
| [23:35:33] | iamlindoro__: | Tatsh: why not ask your actual question? |
| [23:35:55] | iamlindoro__: | As, even if people here have that cable box working, and they do, STBs will behave differently in every single cable market |
| [23:36:19] | sphery: | Have Schedules Direct license the content from them ("we supply the majority of our partners with XML data files"-- http://www.imdb.com/licensing/ ), and set up a web service for Myth users? |
| [23:36:20] | iamlindoro__: | as the STB policies are set by the headend and which ports are active, etc. have nothing to do with the box and everything to do with the group policy set at the headend |
| [23:36:34] | Tatsh: | okay, this is Comcast, and I have the box connected via firewire, NetworkManager sees it and I have the GUID |
| [23:36:49] | Tatsh: | i run mythtv-setup and I think i have the settings correct however no GUID and i cannot edit it |
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| [23:37:01] | iamlindoro__: | Tatsh: Comcast means nothing either, you can be on one block and get something via firewire, and nothing on the next |
| [23:37:06] | iamlindoro__: | like I said, it's per headend |
| [23:37:15] | andreax: | hell... they should name it Windows Restart.... |
| [23:37:17] | sphery: | Comcast? I hope this IRC conversation doesn't put you over your 250GB/mo allowed bandwidth. |
| [23:37:19] | Tatsh: | well is there any way to manually edit the GUID? |
| [23:37:23] | iamlindoro__: | your particular problem, however, is that your user doesn't have access to /dev/raw1394 |
| [23:37:30] | Tatsh: | yes |
| [23:37:30] | justinh: | sphery: heh you could license that per # of queries. if nobody minds the admin load ;) |
| [23:37:38] | iamlindoro__: | so fix the permissions on it |
| [23:38:46] | Tatsh: | what permissions should it have? |
| [23:38:54] | sphery: | I have to wonder if anyone on Earth has ever signed up for IMDb Pro... |
| [23:38:55] | wagnerrp_: | sphery: apple has NEVER had a 3840x2560 screen |
| [23:38:56] | iamlindoro__: | read and write for the user at hand |
| [23:39:08] | iamlindoro__: | at least |
| [23:39:27] | Tatsh: | okay |
| [23:41:09] | Tatsh: | as root i did chmod +rw /dev/raw1394 and even if i run mythtv-setup as root the GUID is not found |
| [23:41:13] | Tatsh: | plugreport shows nothing |
| [23:41:33] | sphery: | wagnerrp_: yeah, just an over-exaggeration of their Apple Cinema Display capabilities--specifically the 2560x1600 res 30-inch. |
| [23:42:19] | wagnerrp_: | their 30" cinema displays are crap (has a handful of them) |
| [23:42:40] | wagnerrp_: | (correction: has a handful of them at work) |
| [23:42:42] | directhex: | dell 3008 on the other hand |
| [23:43:04] | sphery: | interesting. |
| [23:43:19] | sphery: | I'd never spend that much on a monitor, anyway, so I wouldn't know. :) |
| [23:43:27] | directhex: | dell know how to make a monitor when they want to |
| [23:45:05] | jblack: | LOL. Granny zombie started biting one of the guys... "She's gumming me to death!" |
| [23:46:15] | Tatsh: | iamlindoro how do i give myself access to /dev/raw1394 (what command to issue)? |
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| [23:51:00] | Tatsh: | what should i do if plugreport (even as root) shows nothing even though i have the device connected? |
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| [23:56:18] | clever: | there |
| [23:56:30] | clever: | nearly done fixing everything |
| [23:56:41] | Tatsh: | when i do plugreport as user i get 'raw1394 – couldn't get handle: Permission denied'? how do i fix this? |
| [23:57:02] | clever: | more root? |
| [23:59:21] | Tatsh: | well, the other issue is that with root, plugdev reports nothing even though the box is connected and ^F12 shows when it got detected |
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