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Tuesday, August 26th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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roothorick:

can a 1Ghz PIII handle playback of digital SD?

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kormoc:

you mean mpeg2?

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roothorick:

broadcast 480i/p over ATSC or QAM

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Dagmar:

You have managed to get analog video onto your hard drive somehow?

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Dagmar:

That's a neat trick

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roothorick:

by "digital SD" I meant SD video over digital broadcast

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Dagmar:

...and I say it doesn't matter.

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Dagmar:

The codec matters.

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Dagmar:

h264, a big maybe

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roothorick:

whatever they use in the US

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kormoc:

roothorick, so it's typically mpeg2 and likely to work

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Dagmar:

Beyond that, for mpg video it should work

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iamlindoro_:

Just don't look at it to hard while it's doing so as it will be by a razor's edge :)

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Dagmar:

For anything else there's a reason the documentation says "1.2Ghz minimum"

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roothorick:

well, I'm working with what I have here

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Dagmar:

roothorick: No one uses mpg for their digital broadcasts

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roothorick:

Dagmar: US does, for HD at least

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Dagmar:

Nom they don't.

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roothorick:

in the US, HD broadcasts are MPEG2 at 1080i

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Dagmar:

In the US they're encoded with h.264

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iamlindoro_:

uuhhh

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iamlindoro_:

no they're not

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Dagmar:

You're sure?

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iamlindoro_:

yep

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Dagmar:

I was under the impression this was why snagging the digital 1080 streams was dodgy for playback

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Dagmar:

Either way, if he'd read some docs, this wouldn't be an issue

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wagnerrp:

if US broadcasts were mpeg4, recompression would not be such a big deal

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i happen to have a P3 1GHz sitting right here... so i give it a go

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kormoc:

it's mpeg-2 in the US for now

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Dagmar:

So if they used DivX or x264 we'd have no problem?

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kormoc:

and it's not always 1080i, there are some that are broadcasted in 720i/p

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wagnerrp:

if they used h.264, wed have less of a problem

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iamlindoro_:

Well then it'd be pretty, but we'd be unable to play it back as well :)

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ajh:

which they will be soon.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, and most folks wouldn't have the hardware to play back said captures

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Dagmar:

I'm damn sure it's playing back h.264 that's giving people fits

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: true, but at least you wouldnt have compression artifacts... :P

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iamlindoro_:

indeed it is

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, not true, it all depends on how much they encode

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iamlindoro_:

and there's no 720i btw, just p

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i know, but they could run down to about 1/3–1/4 the bandwidth of mpeg2 with the same level of quality

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Dagmar:

What we need to do is start building a list of categories for video files, and just name them after fucking colors

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wagnerrp:

ah, nevermind

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kormoc:

I'll have the off green. Which off green? the one that's sorta blueish but not quite...

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wagnerrp:

ill give my laptop a test in about 4 hours after mythtv is done compiling/installing

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Dagmar:

Violet being "everything beyond 1080 at maximum useful bitrate" and red being "QVGA at 15fps"

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Dagmar:

That would force people to take bit rates into acccount instead of just going "OMG iT R DIGITAL AT TEN EIGHTEES!"

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Dagmar:

I mean, I can make an mpeg4 file that uses h.264 that can be played back on a Celeron 400 with an AGP card.

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Dagmar:

It'll just look like complete shit.

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Dagmar:

It would be easier to tell what's in a four-year-old's fingerpaints than what appears on the screen.

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wagnerrp:

ok... starting compile of .21-fixes at 9pm... lets see how long it takes

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thatdood:

is there an easy way to upgrade the mythbuntu 8.04 mythtv version from 16838 to the latest svn version 18198?

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iamlindoro_:

sure, download and compile it from source

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iamlindoro_:

or enable mythbuntu's weekly build repos, but #ubuntu-mythtv is the channel to help you with that

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thatdood:

i asked there, and so far no response. so thanks iamlindoro

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thatdood:

i am actually building the svn right now

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iamlindoro_:

also, svn means nothing

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iamlindoro_:

svn = the source control system, svn could be .21, .18, 19, trunk, etc.

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thatdood:

its .21 fixes 18198

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iamlindoro_:

there ya go

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iamlindoro_:

I personally would just enable the mythbuntu fixes repos, but building works fine too

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thatdood:

well, i have to patch the code either way.

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iamlindoro_:

Ah, then building it yourself is really your only option

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iamlindoro_:

patch for what?

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thatdood:

patches for the scan portion, otherwise it doesnt find my transports

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iamlindoro_:

Ah

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iamlindoro_:

compiling from vanilla source will overwrite a fair number of the mythbuntu niceties, it might be worth enabling the weekly repos, going apt-get source mythtv, and patching that copy

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thatdood:

hmmmm

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iamlindoro_:

then doing the ubuntu fakeroot building wackiness so that it's up to date *and* more or less an officialish mythbuntu package

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: gday, not sure if you remember my comments a few months ago about editing long recordings to cut out music videos, but I've come up with a crude solution if you're interested.

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Dagmar:

...and the making a solemn promise to yourself that when presented with someone responsible for the changes to the ubuntu packages, that you won't just kick them in the nuts.

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800, Hey there, of course I remember. I'm not a huge music video person but I'm still interested

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mzb_d800:

ok, I'll pastebin a small script and then give you the (even shorter) story

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wagnerrp:

awesome! my laptop is swapping horribly!

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thatdood:

well, iamlindoro, if this messes things up, i'll just reinstall mythbuntu from CD... again... lol

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wagnerrp:

i guess i should drop back to -j1

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wagnerrp:

that is if i ever get control back

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mzb_d800:

http://fastpaste.net/143/

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mzb_d800:

custom job is passed args: MUSICVIDEO CHANID STARTTIME TITLE

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: j = $no_of_cores + 1, not "four-jillion"

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my laptop is running -j2

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wagnerrp:

of course it only has 384MB of memory

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Dagmar:

Yowza, skip the +1 then

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mzb_d800:

so let's say you've recorded several hours of a music video prog, called "Hot Videos" (or something)

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wagnerrp:

apparently i exceeded that 12 minutes ago, because thats the last time the clock in gnome has updated

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800, ok...

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mzb_d800:

then you create cut points for the first song, change the title to "Band – Song", and run the custom job

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mzb_d800:

rinse and repeat

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mzb_d800:

the longer the recording, the longer you have to wait until your next edit

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800, ah, was wondering how you were getting multiple discrete programs out of it

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mzb_d800:

with multirec it's slightly easier ... you just make multiple overlapping recordings

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mzb_d800:

no metadata ... but that's not a problem, as the metadata for the recording rarely applies to individual song ... although record date might be of value

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iamlindoro_:

neat-- I know there are at least a few other folks here who cut music videos out, might be worth creating a little wiki page

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wagnerrp:

oh! i switched over to a text terminal about 5 minutes ago, and its trying to do so

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mzb_d800:

yeah, I guess so ... can you see any obvious improvements to make to that script?

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iamlindoro_:

naw, seems simple enough

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mzb_d800:

changing the title is probably the most intensive task ... should be better when my IR keyboard(s) arrive ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Oof, yeah, not fun for a remote

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wagnerrp:

huh, the compile died, gnome got taken out

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wagnerrp:

i finally get top open and swap was not even mounted

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mzb_d800:

*but* ... if you have a playlist (in advance of recording) it gets even easier ;)

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mzb_d800:

eg: http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/

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wagnerrp:

so... take 2

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Egghead2:

running mythbuntu diskless (pxe lan boot using ltsp), having problems getting changes made to fstab on my client to persist after rebooting, anyone know what to do to fix this?

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wagnerrp:

the ONLY way such changes would not persist is if you were running a read only NFS mount, with a memory disk layered on top of the file system

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wagnerrp:

although i would hope you would know if you were doing such a thing

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iamlindoro_:

oh come on, it's mythbuntu, it takes all the needing to know about anything away ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Because it's all about... what's that thing that people who refuse to read the manual always say? Oh yeah, "expanding the user base and being open to new users"

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wagnerrp:

neither PXE booting, nor layered file systems, are things that just 'set themselves up'

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Egghead2:

wagner, not sure, i know it boots up using a img file, the page i used is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV/Install/Hardy/Diskless

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iamlindoro_:

In mythbuntu, it's two clicks in a GUI to set up PXE booting

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Egghead2:

iamlindoro, what?

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iamlindoro_:

so yeah, it kind of *is* a thing that sets itself up for them

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Egghead2:

iam an asshole?

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jams:

same thing with my distro, yeah it just does it. Can be done using nothing but a remote.

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iamlindoro_:

wow, way to do it the hard way instead of just using the control center

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wagnerrp:

ok... so thats EXACTLY what he is doing

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iamlindoro_:

Egghead, I haven't said word *one* to you and you're calling me an asshole? Very smart stuff, there.

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wagnerrp:

and ubuntu shows you how to do it without actually telling you what it does

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iamlindoro_:

Apparently making fun of a distro is grounds for that kind of thing

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wagnerrp:

way to go ubuntu

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wagnerrp:

basically, when you make changes to the live system, you are not actually changing anything

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Egghead2:

this wasnt refering to me post? oh come on, it's mythbuntu, it takes all the needing to know about anything away ;)

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wagnerrp:

you are just making temporary files in a ram disk

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iamlindoro_:

no, I'm fairly certain that was referring to mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

when you shut the computer down, the RAM gets whiped, and those files are gone

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jams:

iamlindoro- might be ignore time

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have to make changes directly to the boot image on the server

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Egghead2:

wagnerrrp, ive tried, i changed the chroot /etc/fstab, then updated the image and still no joy

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wagnerrp:

now considering everything was set up by this funky 'ltsp' system, i have no clue where or how to begin making those changes

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iamlindoro_:

jams: if I ignored everyone who was rude or silly in here, I might as well just join #iamlindoro and sit alone ;)

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jams:

hehe

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wagnerrp:

hopefully, you just have a bare directory somewhere that you can make changes to

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wagnerrp:

open up the dhcpd.conf file (/etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf)

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Egghead2:

i do its in /opt/ltsp/i386 i think

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wagnerrp:

and you should have a line telling you where the client mounts from

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wagnerrp:

ah, ok

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wagnerrp:

so just change the files in there

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wagnerrp:

rather than on the client

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Egghead2:

ok i tried that

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wagnerrp:

or... if you only have one box youre booting

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wagnerrp:

just trash the whole memory overlay (aufs)

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Egghead2:

then i updated the image to in /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img

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wagnerrp:

and make the nfs disk read/write with root permissions

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Egghead2:

where is the memory overylay?

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wagnerrp:

in your fstab

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Egghead2:

the aufs

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wagnerrp:

probably

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wagnerrp:

its just a line that after you mount root, it mounts another file system over top of root

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wagnerrp:

anything in the secondary file system reads through to the nfs server, and writes just go to the secondary file system

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mzb_d800:

iamlindoro: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cutting_Music_Videos

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PatrickDK:

oh, heh, unionfs :)

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wagnerrp:

PatrickDK: actually, it seems to be another unionfs... aufs... :P

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wagnerrp:

i never knew there was anything wrong with the first one to necessitate making a clone

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PatrickDK:

different ways of overlaying data

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PatrickDK:

I know some issues can crop up when you start multilayering things

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PatrickDK:

like normal fs, unionfs, unionfs, unionfs all ontop of each other

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PatrickDK:

there are only rare times you would want to do that though

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wagnerrp:

the only reason i could see doing that is if you wanted to fake a spanned array

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mzb_d800:

afaik: unionfs is on it's way out, with aufs being the modern replacement (unionfs has issues)

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clever:

yeah unionfs on nfs caused my system to asplode!

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wagnerrp:

ive never personally used any of them (except for live cds)

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PatrickDK:

I played with unionfs some, but found it was just not worth it for my purposes

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PatrickDK:

upgrading the underlaying fs would just totally kill the upperlayer

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PatrickDK:

and the upperlayer had data I needed

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Dagmar:

clever: You're probably the only person in here who would have tried that.

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Dagmar:

Sense would have kicked in for other people.

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Egghead2:

wagner, when u said trash whole overylay and make the nfs disk read write , how do i do this?

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iamlindoro_:

If anyone was thinking about an HD-PVR, btw, they're $210 at amazon

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Dagmar:

Hello, flock() isn't even particularly safe over NFS, so why the hell would you think unionfs would be anything other than a nightmare waiting to happen

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wagnerrp:

Egghead2: remove the line in fstab that mounts the memory disk

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wagnerrp:

change the line in fstab to mount the nfs path rw

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wagnerrp:

change the nfs exports to allow root and write

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Egghead2:

ahhh

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Dagmar:

It's "measure twice, cut once" man, not "just keep cutting until the screams stop"

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Egghead2:

i think i got it :)

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Egghead2:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

ive been meaning to update my nfs machines so theyre nearly all ro... but that takes effort

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clever:

was trying to layer a private build dir over the mythtv source

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Dagmar:

Simply put, tnat's something you shoudln't even have attempted because it wasn't necessary.

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Dagmar:

Not even a little bit.

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Dagmar:

Make has some nice stuff in it for building in a clean root.

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Dagmar:

You should learn about that.

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clever:

Dagmar: the system hardlocked so i just worked arround it

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clever:

i currently have completely seperate source dir's that i just svn update to the same revision

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wagnerrp:

there are very few instances of unionfs where a duplicate copy would not have worked just as well

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mzb_d800:

I use unionfs+squashfs on a pbx running on flash

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clever:

im currently working on some scripts to basicaly svn update && ./configure && make on 5 packages at once

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Dagmar:

One of those "large bullet points" about building is that it should never require you to change things in the source directories.

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clever:

mythtv cant handle seperate build and source dir's yet

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Dagmar:

I'll believe that when I see it

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clever:

ive seen how its done with other packages and it doesnt work that way yet

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mzb_d800:

everybody happy with http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Cutting_Music_Videos ?? I've not done a *whole* page in the mythtv wiki before ;)

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Dagmar:

mzb_d800: Well, I'd buy you a beer if you were anywhere nearby

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Dagmar:

...and I could be sure you weren't like, a 14-year old girl or something

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kristerj:

hey guys...is there a way to jump forward a day in the program schedule?

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mzb_d800:

heh ... no ... aging hacker ... thanks for the offer Dagmar

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800, nice job

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mzb_d800:

s/aging/ancient?

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Dagmar:

Yeah well, clearly you've not had BBS pals show up on your doorstep before

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Dagmar:

...show up with their mom.

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mzb_d800:

lol

[03:13:17]

Dagmar:

...and then you have to somehow balance their online persona, which you'd swear was a middle aged, white male, with the fact that they're a 10-year old girl.

[03:13:22]

iamlindoro_:

Who used to play Legend of the Red Dragon?

[03:13:26]

** iamlindoro_ raises hand **

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** Dagmar raises his hand **

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iamlindoro_:

woohoo!

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jams:

kiristerj, try waiting around a bit longer. I was typing the answer for you.

[03:13:38]

mzb_d800:

no ... one of the advantages of being so remote (to what seems like "the rest of the planet"), I guess

[03:13:45]

Dagmar:

Her mom showed up to make sure she didn't drink.

[03:13:51]

mzb_d800:

heh

[03:13:53]

mzb_d800:

oh dear

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Dagmar:

Granted, they were both extremely cool people, but damn. 10?

[03:14:04]

Dagmar:

We so misjudged that one

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mzb_d800:

lol

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jams:

iamlindoro- the third day of that game some upper level person killed me, but left me tons of gold.

[03:14:31]

** iamlindoro_ spent most of his game time romancing the barmaid **

[03:14:35]

iamlindoro_:

jams, haha

[03:14:54]

jams:

that game was great

[03:14:58]

iamlindoro_:

jams, I remember how you used to have to pay for the secure housing to avoid some jerk stomping on you while you slept

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iamlindoro_:

and, unlike MMOs of today, if you were married to the barmaid nobody else could be :)

[03:15:46]

iamlindoro_:

until she divorced you a few days or weeks later

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jams:

rip graphics ?

[03:15:57]

Dagmar:

RIP graphics == godawful

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Dagmar:

...but RIP > ANSI so we put up with it

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iamlindoro_:

exactly

[03:16:29]

mzb_d800:

all sounds too modern for me

[03:16:32]

Dagmar:

Those of us who worked with RIP had to stifle a collective snicker when SVG came out and web "gurus" reported on ti.

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iamlindoro_:

As I recall the author inserted himself all over the game

[03:17:10]

Dagmar:

iamlindod: s/inserted/incorporated/; thanks

[03:17:18]

Dagmar:

or even insinuated.

[03:17:43]

iamlindoro_:

well, as I recall he was a character who the females could romance, so my initial term stands ;)

[03:17:44]

Dagmar:

You don't want to use the word "inserted" so soon after talking about "romancing the barmaid" in a context most people won't recognize. ;)

[03:18:20]

mzb_d800:

entertaining either way ;)

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pat_:

mmm, saw married the barmaid and scrolled back to confirm lord

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pat_:

yes, they were the days

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iamlindoro_:

don't even get me started on Star Control 2

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** iamlindoro_ lost YEARS to that game **

[03:21:07]

iamlindoro_:

and the great part is you can now get it for fuh-ree with leenucks

[03:21:09]

Dagmar:

Yech.

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Dagmar:

I can only tolerate "we don't have to detail the graphics because they're only about three pixels tall" going so far

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iamlindoro_:

Wait, what are we talking about? SC2 had (has) *gorgeous* graphics

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iamlindoro_:

and sexy MOD music

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iamlindoro_:

sphery knows what I'm talkin' 'bout

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Dagmar:

http://sc2.sourceforge.net/screenshots/earth.php

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iamlindoro_:

Star Control 2 == Best game of all time!

[03:23:30]

Dagmar:

You have low standards.

[03:23:45]

iamlindoro_:

That is the navigation map, so what?

[03:24:38]

Dagmar:

http://sc2.sourceforge.net/screenshots/melee1.php

[03:24:40]

Dagmar:

IIRC there was a race who had an attack that basically spewed the crew into space.

[03:24:46]

iamlindoro_:

Thousands of worlds to explore, huge, deep story, hand painted conversation graphics, pulse-pounding battles

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Dagmar:

THey were what, two pixels high?

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iamlindoro_:

Yup, that would be the Ur Quan Mauler attack

[03:25:00]

iamlindoro_:

Go! Go! Go!

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iamlindoro_:

(was the sound effect)

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mzb_d800:

I can see that text-version of star-trek wouldn't have been high on your lists ;)

[03:25:32]

iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800, no no, totally played that :)

[03:25:33]

mzb_d800:

s/that the

[03:25:42]

iamlindoro_:

died more often than a red shirt, but played it :)

[03:25:50]

iamlindoro_:

That game was HARD

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mzb_d800:

used to take me >20mins to load ... with a 1/3 success rate (of loading)

[03:26:07]

mzb_d800:

(in the 70s ... that is;)

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Dagmar:

Not 70's.

[03:26:28]

mzb_d800:

yep

[03:26:39]

mzb_d800:

1978 I started playing that

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Dagmar:

Oh sorry I thought you were still talking about SC2

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mzb_d800:

(I was told I was too young to understand it)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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iamlindoro_:

As I recall you were constantly communicating with people in a certain number of turns (tell spock impulse power) or you drove into a star :)

[03:27:47]

iamlindoro_:

I also was far too young to manage all the stuff you had to manage to keep the ship from asplode

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mzb_d800:

no such thing as colour at that point ;) ... although we did have a "green screen" (green celophane (?) under safety glass)

[03:27:57]

Dagmar:

"tell sulu to stop being a tool and learn to steer"

[03:27:57]

** mzb_d800 hobbles off to find his walking frame **

[03:29:14]

** iamlindoro_ goes to play SC2 **

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mzb_d800:

yeah ... interesting game for it's time ... was totally eclipsed (for me) when two things happened: 1. we got hold of Adventure, 2. I started programming

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mzb_d800:

never did get over 349/350 ... *sigh*

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iamlindoro_:

I also played all the Infocom adventures from start to finish-- even the dogs like "Plundered Hearts"

[03:30:09]

iamlindoro_:

OH, speaking of classics, the Quest for Glory 2 remake came out last night at midnight!

[03:30:16]

iamlindoro_:

and is helllllllsa fun!

[03:30:40]

iamlindoro_:

(and plays great in WINE)

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jams:

iamlindoro- where at?

[03:30:54]

iamlindoro_:

jams, agdinteractive.com

[03:31:10]

jams:

btw just yesterday i was looking at my collection of sierra games

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iamlindoro_:

VGA remake, looks great, added a few new little features, but otherwise true to the original

[03:31:23]

jams:

including quest for glory

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iamlindoro_:

(they added a room that was cut from the original, the saurus repair shop)

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mzb_d800:

any good for playing on a myth FE with a remote? :)

[03:32:32]

iamlindoro_:

heh, you'd want that new IR keyboard/mouse :)

[03:32:37]

mzb_d800:

:)

[03:32:40]

mzb_d800:

any day

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** iamlindoro_ changes his mind, goes to play QfG2 **

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mzb_d800:

aww ... a mouse too? ... na

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mkrufky:

this is how HEROES season 2 ACTUALLY ended:

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iamlindoro_:

Well the whole *point* was the remake it as a VGA point an click versus the original EGA parse text controls

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mkrufky:

YouTube – Season 2 of Heroes: Alternate Ending <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0dnfUE_vh4>

[03:33:51]

mkrufky:

they showed the ALT ending on TV, but this was the original planned one

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iamlindoro_:

mkrufky, they hired a fight co-ordinator at the 11th hour and then paid someone to write worthwhile dialogue?

[03:33:55]

mkrufky:

and now everything makes sense

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iamlindoro_:

ah, I can dream

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mkrufky:

seriously, watch it before NBC yanks it

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mkrufky:

i shit you not

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iamlindoro:

ugh, I have to endure 8 minutes of heroes?

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mkrufky:

im gonna watch it again right now

[03:36:02]

iamlindoro:

"I gotta get my kid to high school?"

[03:36:10]

iamlindoro:

seriously, who writes this stuff?

[03:36:15]

mkrufky:

if you watch heroes, then watch it

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iamlindoro:

;)

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mkrufky:

i wont try to convince u

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iamlindoro:

I watch, but I tease as much as I enjoy

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wagnerrp:

i honestly dont remember how last season ended

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tank-man:

it sucks they drag out the shows like dragonball Z

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mkrufky:

actually, this comes out tomorrow on dvd / blu-ray

[03:38:11]

mkrufky:

whatever ... im excited for the new season

[03:38:28]

mkrufky:

look i bought a whole server just to be 100% sure it'll all get recorded

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mkrufky:

j/k

[03:39:19]

mkrufky:

hahah the acting is so horrible

[03:39:42]

wagnerrp:

i like the special effects

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iamlindoro:

Who knows, they might be Lawrence Freaking Olivier, but with THAT dialogue

[03:39:47]

wagnerrp:

its so lifelike

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wagnerrp:

force... arrow!

[03:40:09]

iamlindoro:

yeah, they almost make These actors seem human

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iamlindoro:

I expect Matt Parkman to become teh eeevil

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jackson__:

Is there an Episode variable for use in UserJobs?

[03:42:06]

iamlindoro:

no. The listings don't include production number information.

[03:43:21]

jackson__:

iamlindoro, if that response was for me – thanks for answering.

[03:43:29]

wagnerrp:

!!!

[03:43:39]

wagnerrp:

its done compiling, only 105 minutes later

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iamlindoro:

jackson__: yup, was for you... shame, too. I set something up once that kept a running tally of Season and Ep... running the script with the show name caused the episode to increment one, and running it as scriptname -newseason showname incremented the season... then I pulled that info out when running my user jobs

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iamlindoro:

don't have it around any more, though, it was easier just to do it manually

[03:47:11]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky: you ARE right, it is a much better ending... makes far more sense

[03:47:33]

mkrufky:

yes, and now we see why those scenes were used

[03:47:42]

mkrufky:

they make sense for THIS ending, but not the other ones

[03:47:52]

mkrufky:

now it makes sense why they planned to kill nathan

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mzb_d800:

jabra: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2169237&postcount=5

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mzb_d800:

s/jackson__

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mkrufky:

the tv ending was just a cheap kill

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mkrufky:

stupid nathan speaking scene ..... makes sense in this ending

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iamlindoro:

figures they would cut the one scene that had halfway decent dialogue

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mkrufky:

heh

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mzb_d800:

jackson__: "proper" list: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs

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mzb_d800:

but a little sql query wouldn't be hard

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mkrufky:

ok, ttyl

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jackson__:

Thanks mzb_d800

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mzb_d800:

np jackson__ , encouraged me to add a link to the music videos

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iamlindoro_:

mzb_d800, nothing hard about SQL queries, but the episode number just isn't there, doesn't come as part of the listing data

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

programid ?

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mzb_d800:

(in recorded)

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mzb_d800:

... or seriesid?

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iamlindoro_:

"EP002930531285 "

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iamlindoro_:

That's not the string you're looking for, move along

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iamlindoro_:

he's looking for something like S01E15

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mzb_d800:

ok

[03:59:42]

** mzb_d800 moves along ;) **

[04:00:01]

mzb_d800:

s/moves/shuffles

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mzb_d800:

ps: up to ~800 music videos now ... ~50hrs of mpeg2 (I don't have the guts to compress it;)

[04:01:41]

Dagmar:

Well, if it's a bunch of emo crap maybe you can get it to cut itself down.

[04:01:46]

jackson__:

well, in the Mythv Program Details there is an "Episode Number:" field that i was hoping to capture (not present is all info)

[04:01:52]

wagnerrp:

as expected, my laptop fails hard on HD video

[04:02:29]

mzb_d800:

Dagmar: was real mixed bag to start with, but having playlist in advance helps to reduce the crap

[04:03:33]

mzb_d800:

got a whole heap of Chili Peppers, Faith No More ... and a couple of interesting ones like Metallica, Pink Floyd recently ... script just makes it that much easier.

[04:03:36]

wagnerrp:

seems to be no xvmc for my video card

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mzb_d800:

> series 6 ?

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mzb_d800:

(nv)

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wagnerrp:

well anything better than a rage 3d claims hardware acceleration for DVD playback

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** mzb_d800 limps off to see if the postie has brought him a present **

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mzb_d800:

hmm

[04:05:17]

mzb_d800:

mx400 < xvmc < series 7

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mzb_d800:

(iirc)

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mzb_d800:

ymmv

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wagnerrp:

well this is a rage128

[04:05:54]

wagnerrp:

so several generations before the gf2s

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jackson__:

the rage128 was an ati chip, right?

[04:06:21]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[04:06:46]

wagnerrp:

but relatively well supported in linux

[04:06:58]

jackson__:

no xvmc for any ati cards that I'm aware of.

[04:07:05]

wagnerrp:

as well as can be expected anyway

[04:07:19]

wagnerrp:

considering it cant run opengl and display 24-bit graphics at the same time

[04:07:25]

jackson__:

only certain nvidia, via, and intel chips.

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mzb_d800:

you need > gf4 ... gf2 and below don't do it iirc (I gave up on a mx400==gf2)

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wagnerrp:

so basically, you can use it on card that likely has a CPU capable of decoding mpeg2 anyway

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mzb_d800:

xvmc very handy for my systems (<= 1GHz) playing SD

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wagnerrp:

but chances are that youre machine with a gf5 or better is going to be considerably higher than 1Ghz

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wagnerrp:

*your

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mzb_d800:

hmm ...

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mzb_d800:

loungetv: P3–1000, fx5200

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mzb_d800:

bedtv: P3–866: mx420

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wagnerrp:

i suppose

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mzb_d800:

I've found fx5 and mx4 to be similar prices on ebay

[04:21:47]

mzb_d800:

in some ways I've had more luck with mx4 ... some of the fx5's were crap (dud|broken|bad fans|etc)

[04:24:27]

mzb_d800:

loungetv=gx150 (desktop $30? barebones), bedtv=gx150(sff $80 complete with w2k) ... both off ebay

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mzb_d800:

hoping to "upgrade" loungetv to m10k in the next week ($0 + build two)

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mzb_d800:

but we'll see ... always have options for the use of a machine ;)

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mzb_d800:

hmm ... still getting double entries in the recordings list ... you delete one and it deletes both (they refer to a single file afaict)

[04:36:59]

mzb_d800:

anyone seen this?

[04:37:08]

mzb_d800:

(and/or know of a fix)

[04:37:11]

mzb_d800:

?

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stoth:

anyone know where I can download test_mpeg2?

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mzb_d800:

there's only a single entry in the recorded table, too :|

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wagnerrp:

what is test_mpeg2?

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stoth:

1394 tool

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wagnerrp:

oh, for priming the interface?

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stoth:

for exercising the interface

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mzb_d800:

stoth: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=707088&page=2 ??

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ajh:

stoth, did you go to Ottawa U?

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stoth:

n

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stoth:

thx, got it working.

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laga:

does someone want to try my h264 merge patch?

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wagnerrp:

h.264 merge patch?

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laga:

yeah, i merge h264.c from ffmpeg.

[07:14:26]

laga:

it works a lot better with HD streams than what's in -fixes.

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wagnerrp:

for european users anyway

[07:14:55]

laga:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

or i guess hdpvr users

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** justinh wonders whatever became of mythpython **

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justinh:

hmm how to completely miss the point of a pvr. me want fastor channel changezors!

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andycaz:

Heh when i transcode my files get actually bigger than before

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directhex:

UR DOIN IT WRONG

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jduggan:

you tell him

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jduggan:

:P

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directhex:

i did. see? right there where i said "[10:11] <directhex> UR DOIN IT WRONG"

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justinh:

oh I can just see it now. "How me get miffyteevee worky on gOS ?"

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jblack:

You're lucky there's not 12 forks of myth like there are of asterisk

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justinh:

heh. well, it's oft been suggested but so far nobody has been er.. adventurous enough to carry it off

[11:36:52]

justinh:

quote from one guy who proposed forking mythtv: "I don't have a huge amount of time to devote to this"

[11:37:43]

directhex:

that's a generic wuote, found in a thousand places

[11:38:12]

directhex:

see also: people who propose making mods for computer games, and advertise their role as "team leader"

[11:38:48]

directhex:

lacking only in artists, modellers, sound guy, programming, and story!

[11:39:52]

justinh:

don't forget level designers!

[11:40:00]

directhex:

oh yes, them too

[11:40:18]

directhex:

but the team leader will do a great job leading you to greatness!

[11:41:10]

laga:

bah, forks.

[11:41:26]

laga:

just maintain your own patch set and send them upstream when they're ready

[11:41:33]

jduggan:

spoons are so much cooler

[11:41:33]

directhex:

every non-upstream patch is a teeny, tiny fork

[11:41:39]

directhex:

or it is if you distribute it

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justinh:

like 3rd party plugins

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laga:

directhex: yeah.

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro_: two-ish days so far and only a couple 0 byte recordings!

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Dibblah:

I am, however, slightly confused as to why "prefer streaming" isn't doing what it says on the box.

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fryfrog:

is that vs. using local nfs / network mount?

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Dibblah:

Yes.

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

i just tuned nfs well and forget about it

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** J-e-f-f-A|work is in a boring training class... ugh... [ot] **

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ReikoShea:

those are always fun

[13:25:09]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

My son has a t-shirt that says "In my day, BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH..." — That's about how I feel in this class... ;-)

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ReikoShea:

oh...so like orientation when you start working at a place that uses perl 3

[13:26:43]

ReikoShea:

:-|

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PatrickDK:

hmm, perl 3 :)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

what's perl? ;-) <hehe>

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laga:

justinh: do you accept bug reports for glass-wide?

[13:27:58]

justinh:

laga: depends. what's up?

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laga:

justinh: screenshot time

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laga:

wait a second..

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justinh:

how can there be bugs in something that doesn't even exist? ;)

[13:29:39]

justinh:

shit – there's a package of it?!

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laga:

looks like it

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justinh:

mythtv-theme-glass-wide – The Glass MythTV theme (widescreen)

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justinh:

I won't be supporting that. the version I've got at home is vastly different

[13:30:33]

laga:

ah

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laga:

sad

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justinh:

won't be coming out officially until it's ported to mythui & 0.22 is out

[13:31:02]

justinh:

send the screenshot anyway. might be an easy fix

[13:31:09]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I bought a new 24" monitor for my desktop pc, and put my 22" widescren on my bedroom frontend – an Asus Pundit P2-AE2 – I was amazed that the Pundit was able to drive it at it's native resolition, 1650x1080 witnout a hitch... Altough HD is a bit notchy... ;-) Too much for a Semperon 3000 I guess... ;-)

[13:31:43]

justinh:

laga: have a feeling that if it needs a screenshot it'll be a bastard

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troldrik:

Why wouldn't it, the cpu isn't scaling the video..

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ReikoShea:

J-e-f-f-A|work: its funny you mention that....my 2600+ nearly died this morning trying to play a 1080p stream

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ReikoShea:

it was so sad

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... do you think upgrading to an Athlon 3200+ would be able to keep up? ;-)

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** justinh ponders removing the 'radio.png' icon from core themes **

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justinh:

J-e-f-f-A|work: depends what you call 'HD'

[13:33:04]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Yeah, for now, MPEG2... ;-) I have some MPEG4 stuff too, no chance of it playing that!

[13:33:49]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

troldrik: It's probably the VIA chipset too... ;-) 1680x1080 is quite a bit of data for a 60hz rate... ;-)

[13:35:32]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

I'll probably just put it in my living room as the SD frontend for my wife... and put a nice beefy system in my bedroom that will handle MPEG4 HD too... ;-)

[13:36:38]

laga:

justinh: http://laga.ath.cx/glass.jpg – the selection bar is off a bit at the beginning (look at "Acheron" and "Aerosmith"). it goes away if i select "Aerosmith" for playback

[13:37:36]

justinh:

laga: yeah I was never able to come to a satisfactory conclusion for that bug

[13:37:57]

laga:

oh well then ;)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... although I don't think the Pundit has an S-VHS output...

[13:38:03]

laga:

i guess it'll be gone in 0.22

[13:38:05]

justinh:

move the select bar right & the text is too close to the edge

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justinh:

it sucks

[13:38:26]

justinh:

I hate the managedtreelist

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justinh:

*HATE*

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quicksilver:

we stayed with some friends at the weekend, who have sky+

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justinh:

quicksilver: sucks, innit

[13:39:11]

quicksilver:

despite the fact they have a widescreen TV, it clips off the edges of widescreen programs

[13:39:15]

quicksilver:

whichever display setting they choose.

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quicksilver:

quite bizarre.

[13:39:29]

tony_:

i can't connect to mysql and have no my.cnf file. do i create it?

[13:39:44]

justinh:

and to think that Sly+ costs big bucks too :P

[13:39:57]

justinh:

no my.cnf? do you even have myswl installed?

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tony_:

myswl? what's that?

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** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders what "myswl" is... **

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tony_:

i have mysql installed from the repos

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justinh:

*mysql

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tony_ ;-)

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justinh:

if you're gonna be a pedant, at least prove you have a damn clue first

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tony_:

keep getting "Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock"

[13:42:00]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Sorry... ;-) I've got fat fingers from time to time too. ;-)

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** justinh suspects mysql isn't installed **

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quicksilver:

perhaps you have installed the client but not the sevrver?

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justinh:

the *server* component I mean

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quicksilver:

in debian, as far as I can remember, the server is called 'mysql-server'

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quicksilver:

or some similar name

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tony_:

yes, server and client is installed

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ReikoShea:

try this tony

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justinh:

server not started?

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ReikoShea:

as root

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justinh:

docs not followed?

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ReikoShea:

mysql -h 127.0.0.1

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tony_:

ReikoShea: says it can't connect to the server

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ReikoShea:

ps auxfww | grep mysql

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ReikoShea:

you should see like 6 or 7 log strings about mysql?

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ReikoShea:

(dont paste them)

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tony_:

ReikoShea: i just see one

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ReikoShea:

k the server is most likely not started then

[13:45:26]

ReikoShea:

as just said

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ReikoShea:

justinh*

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ReikoShea:

run "/etc/init.d/mysql start"

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ReikoShea:

it is mysql-server on some debian installs

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tony_:

it pauses a while and says fail

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ReikoShea:

probably need to check your error logs

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ReikoShea:

its usually kept in /var/log/mysql/error.log

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tony_:

nothing in the mysql folder

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ReikoShea:

edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf

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ReikoShea:

there should be a line that says log = /var/log/mysql/mysql.log (or something like that)

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ReikoShea:

uncomment that line

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tony_:

i don't have a my.conf file

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tony_:

nm, i do

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tony_:

it's just 1byte

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ReikoShea:

id bet thats more than likely your problem

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tony_:

it has nothing on it

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justinh:

could people with long stupid sigs be banned from the users list? ;)

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tony_:

ReikoShea: is it a permissions problem with the file?

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justinh:

thinking of geeks with fat necks in particular

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ReikoShea:

more than likely it isnt

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ReikoShea:

http://pastebin.com/d69c08913

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ReikoShea:

make that your my.cnf file

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ReikoShea:

note where it says bind-address needs to be changed

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

justinh: Yeah, that drives me crazy too... That and replying to a message with a very long log file, and not 'snipping' it to excluded un-necessary stuff...

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ReikoShea:

it needs to be your actual ip address

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ReikoShea:

which can be determined by ifconfig eth0

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justinh:

long includes, top posting, long sigs, ascii art...

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ReikoShea:

lol if you banned all those things no one would ever reply to lists :P

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laga:

it'd be heaven

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tony_:

i'm checking some error logs and see "error means mysqld does not have access rights to the directory"

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ReikoShea:

lol tell me about it

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ReikoShea:

what does the log say...does it say what directory?

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justinh:

ban people for bumping on forums too

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justinh:

:D

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justinh:

or just make their threads unreadable

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tony_:

ReikoShea: it's either ./ibdata1 or /var/lib/mysql/tony-desktop.lower-test

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ReikoShea:

sudo chown -R mysql:mysql /var/lib/mysql

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ReikoShea:

and try to start mysql again

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tony_:

ReikoShea: no luck. also says "could not open required defaults file: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf"

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ReikoShea:

are you running the start command as root?

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tony_:

btw, i'm using ksystemlog to find it out

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ReikoShea:

k

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ReikoShea:

are you doing /etc/init.d/mysql start as root

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tony_:

ReikoShea: oops, didn't realize i should. i ran as sudo and it started

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ReikoShea:

sudo is fine

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ReikoShea:

so mysql started this time?

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ReikoShea:

or your still having problems with debian.cnf?

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tony_:

ReikoShea: yes, it's "OK"

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ReikoShea:

so ps auxfww | grep mysql shows more than 1 process now?

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tony_:

ReikoShea: yes it does

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ReikoShea:

well there ya go

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ReikoShea:

:)

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tony_:

thanks, i really appreciate this. i had to boot vista because i couldn't do without my olympics

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ReikoShea:

heh...sad times

[14:00:01]

ReikoShea:

booting windows always makes me tear up

[14:00:02]

tony_:

i will try to setup mythtv now. wish me luck

[14:00:43]

tony_:

crap. "no upnp backend found" and couldn't connect

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tony_:

same problem i had lastnight

[14:01:42]

ReikoShea:

here's where people start telling you to follow the docs

[14:01:54]

directhex:

if there hadn't been such an outcry over moonlight, then perhaps it would have been in a state where it could run the nbc olympics site before the olympics happened

[14:02:44]

ReikoShea:

are you upgrading, tony?

[14:03:08]

tony_:

ReikoShea: i read the docs, but something else happened like that and went in a google hunt

[14:03:19]

tony_:

ReikoShea: no, first install

[14:04:44]

tony_:

mythtv setup terminal says "access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'

[14:05:15]

tony_:

do i need to run mythtv-setup as root?

[14:05:19]

tony_:

or is it bad?

[14:05:41]

directhex:

have you configured your backend?

[14:05:42]

ReikoShea:

i always ran it as root

[14:06:15]

tony_:

directhex: sorry, i'm stupid with this. i always just assumed i was setting up the backend

[14:06:29]

directhex:

tony_, not from the message you report. which distro is this?

[14:06:38]

ReikoShea:

http://pastebin.com/m3a0bdaa6

[14:06:49]

ReikoShea:

change the 2.% to your subnet

[14:06:49]

tony_:

directhex: it's kubuntu 8.10

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directhex:

ReikoShea, actively harmful. please don't.

[14:07:05]

ReikoShea:

that is not actively harmful

[14:07:22]

directhex:

sigh

[14:07:34]

directhex:

so are you going to share with us what that password is then?

[14:07:38]

ReikoShea:

mythtv

[14:07:45]

ReikoShea:

and i told him to local subnet it

[14:07:49]

directhex:

or did you perchance forget to tell him the two places it needs changing too?

[14:08:00]

ReikoShea:

(09:06:58 AM) ReikoShea: change the 2.% to your subnet

[14:08:14]

directhex:

UR DOIN IT WRONG

[14:08:21]

ReikoShea:

look im a dba

[14:08:28]

ReikoShea:

if you want to tell him how to do it your way fine

[14:08:30]

ReikoShea:

my way works

[14:08:31]

directhex:

this is all fine, by default, on an ubuntu system. if you're fucking with this stuff, UR DOIN IT WRONG

[14:09:10]

tony_:

directhex: so what way should i do it?

[14:09:45]

directhex:

tony_, start at the begging. you have run "mythtv-setup"? on regular ubuntu, it has an icon in system/administration

[14:10:13]

directhex:

tony_, or generally, install the "mythbuntu-control-center" package and use the clicky icons it provides for configuration (including database-fu)

[14:10:46]

tony_:

directhex: to run mythtv-setup as root, i will have to logout/reboot. should i or is this recommended?

[14:10:48]

laga:

if you already have $stuff installed, it's possible that the automagic won't work

[14:11:07]

directhex:

tony_, you NEED to be in the right group. if it wants to log you out, let it.

[14:11:52]

tony_:

directhex: i am in the right group, root is not though. should i use root for the setup?

[14:12:07]

directhex:

tony_, no. because, as stated, this shit is taken care of for you

[14:12:40]

directhex:

tony_, you shouldn't need to know about terminals and root to use a computer. the ubuntu permissions model isn't based on a distinct root account

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tony_:

i run mythtv-setup and konsole gives me 38: kdesu: not found but still lets me run setup

[14:15:17]

ReikoShea:

sounds like a bad path or a missed package in kde setup

[14:15:35]

ReikoShea:

but of course you dont need to know anything about terminals for that....

[14:15:52]

tony_:

i'll google that term and see what's up

[14:16:52]

directhex:

i think your system is damaged

[14:17:15]

directhex:

you said you're on kubuntu, but kdesu is installed by kdebase-bin, which MUST be installed on a kubuntu system

[14:17:30]

directhex:

your empty my.cnf doesn't inspire confidence either

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ReikoShea:

tony_: what happends when you run kdesu on a terminal?

[14:18:16]

directhex:

if you haven't made any progress yet, i'd recommend reformatting, and possibly even an integrity check on your hard disk

[14:18:40]

tony_:

ReikoShea: it says "not found"

[14:18:59]

ReikoShea:

if you type aptitude in a terminal does it show a red bar at the bottom?

[14:19:00]

tony_:

or "command not found"

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ReikoShea:

(if it doesnt, press q to quit)

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tony_:

ReikoShea: aptitude's not installed

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directhex:

your system is *really* ill

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ReikoShea:

yeah...i wouldnt usually agree that formating a linux box is the right move

[14:19:51]

ReikoShea:

but in this case

[14:19:56]

ReikoShea:

id say directhex is right

[14:20:01]

ReikoShea:

if you dont have aptitude

[14:20:05]

ReikoShea:

your system is JACKED

[14:20:06]

laga:

i think aptitude doesn't have to be installed..

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laga:

is that hardy or intrepid?

[14:20:17]

directhex:

laga, ubuntu-minimal.

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tony_:

no, it doesn't. been using synaptic and adaptec

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fryfrog:

apt you mean?

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tony_:

fryfrog: yeah

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ReikoShea:

i use aptitude with new people because its graphical and installed by default

[14:21:02]

laga:

directhex: right. i think it doesnt get installed in intrepid (or that might have been a fluke and fixed since then)

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ReikoShea:

wtf...no aptitude on a debian based distro

[14:21:40]

ReikoShea:

thats wrong

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ReikoShea:

(meaning bad, not incorrect)

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fryfrog:

i'm pretty sure it has been default on ubuntu 5.x -> 8.04

[14:22:22]

directhex:

laga, wait, you're right. "<tony_> directhex: it's kubuntu 8.10"

[14:22:28]

fryfrog:

i'm not on that new ibex thing, so it could be that

[14:22:33]

directhex:

nothing like early alphas to make your day

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fryfrog:

tony_: why are you tryign to do this with an alpha anyway?

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tony_:

i like kde 4 so should i just install kubuntu 7.10 and upgrade to 4.1? or is 4.1 recommended to use with mythtv?

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sid3windr:

aptitude eh. what's wrong with apt-get ;)

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directhex:

tony_, 8.04 exists, you know

[14:23:04]

laga:

tony_: we'd appreciate some bug reports for intrepid ibex including test cases

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laga:

yes, i'd recommend 8.04

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ReikoShea:

aptitude = graphical version of apt

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directhex:

sid3windr, poor dep resolution?

[14:23:19]

sid3windr:

who needs this!

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sid3windr:

ReikoShea: no, that's synaptic

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ReikoShea:

new people

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tony_:

fryfrog: i'd figure it would be no different. i only got mythtv to work once with a fresh install. alpha couldn't be much worse

[14:23:26]

laga:

there's also backports for kde 4.1 in a ppa on kubuntu.org

[14:23:29]

sid3windr:

or is aptitude also graphical?

[14:23:32]

sid3windr:

I use it on commandline :)

[14:23:37]

ReikoShea:

aptitude is also graphical

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directhex:

ReikoShea, no, aptitude is a different app. the dep resolution algos are different

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ReikoShea:

but its text graphics

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sid3windr:

text graphics eh

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ReikoShea:

im aware, directhex

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ReikoShea:

curses

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iamlindoro_:

Mmm, just like that bicycle car I've got

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sid3windr:

=)

[14:24:18]

** sid3windr only used it commanldine **

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sid3windr:

s/ld/dl/

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ReikoShea:

aptitude also does the equivalent of "build-dep" with every selected package

[14:24:27]

ReikoShea:

its very nice

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tony_:

crap, i'd hate to reformat. i got such a lovely install now and everything's looking and working good except this

[14:25:07]

ReikoShea:

tony...id bet its due to a package issue in 8.10

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ReikoShea:

it is still alpha afterall

[14:25:24]

ReikoShea:

use 8.04...i know it works there

[14:25:39]

ReikoShea:

or wait a month till release

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tony_:

ReikoShea: what about 8.04 with kde 4.1? any issues?

[14:26:01]

ReikoShea:

< GDM contributor

[14:26:27]

ReikoShea:

i havent used kde in quite some time

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tony_:

is there anything safe to save so i don't have to re-download gigs of stuff from the repos, like alien arena, for instance? or the other games

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fryfrog:

i find aptitude to be slightly better than apt-get for installing, updating and purging stuff. Not a lot, but a little bit.

[14:27:35]

tony_:

i know i can save my mozilla home folder safely without incompatibility issues

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ReikoShea:

you shouldnt notice any issues

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meatmanek:

every time I start up mythfrontend, it tells me "Could not connect to the master backend server", which is localhost. I have mythfrontend set up to connect to 127.0.0.1, and I just restarted mysql and mythbackend before starting mythfrontend.

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tony_:

thanks for the help guys. off to reinstall

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meatmanek:

any ideas?

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fryfrog:

meatmanek: what does the console say, not just the pop up error message.

[14:30:14]

Sulx:

what is the master backend address in backend setup?

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fryfrog:

also, to make your life not suck in the future, you may want to use the server's real ip

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meatmanek:

connecting to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543

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meatmanek:

connection timed out

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ReikoShea:

is mythbackend running?

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meatmanek:

what would the process be called?

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meatmanek:

mythbackend?

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fryfrog:

you could use "netstat -a|grep 6543" to see if it is running

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fryfrog:

and listening

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fryfrog:

yeah, "pgrep -fl mythbackend" will find it and show you

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fryfrog:

too

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meatmanek:

nope.

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fryfrog:

there ya go, w/o backend running you won't get much :)

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** meatmanek goes to read the log **

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meatmanek:

ok, I think it has to do with this messages: "Could not get inputs to the capturecard. Perhaps you have forgotten to bind video sources to your card's inputs?"

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meatmanek:

this message, rather.

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justinh:

well, have you?

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meatmanek:

so in mythtv-setup, I go into video sources

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meatmanek:

make a new video source

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meatmanek:

aha

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meatmanek:

ok

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meatmanek:

one ought to do for now?

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justinh:

video sources are not actual sources of video

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meatmanek:

I sorta figured that out

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meatmanek:

I have TV now, this is good

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meatmanek:

hmm

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meatmanek:

audio is really weird

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meatmanek:

sort of tinny sounding

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daum:

anyone have any input on how to fix the following: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-705452.html

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directhex:

meatmanek, framegrabber card (using little loopback cable into your sound card for sound)?

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directhex:

daum, the number of people using pvr350 output is dwindling to say the least. try the mailing list. i don't think anyone in here is still stuck on such limited graphics hardware

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meatmanek:

directhex, it's got its own audio device

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meatmanek:

/dev/dsp1

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directhex:

btaudio or whatever it's called these days?

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meatmanek:

cx8801

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meatmanek:

using the cx88_alsa module

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meatmanek:

so mythtv is set up to use /dev/dsp1

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directhex:

you may need to muck about with the module

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meatmanek:

how so?

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meatmanek:

in mythtv-setup, I've tried using different sample rates

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meatmanek:

which didn't help at all

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thatdood:

anyone running mythtv on an intel Q6600 quad core machine by chance?

[16:22:07]

mrpockets:

NO

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thatdood:

heh

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mrpockets:

sry :(

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justinh:

no use having more than one core to help with playback anyway

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justinh:

not unless the material you're playing is encoded in slices

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thatdood:

using it as a backend server with 3 tuner cards in it

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justinh:

why?

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justinh:

WAY over-specced

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thatdood:

so i can have 3 remote front ends watching whatever they want to watch

[16:23:35]

justinh:

WAY over-specced

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mrpockets:

so hey

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mrpockets:

from my understanding

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mrpockets:

you can have one box with a tuner running the backend

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justinh:

from my understanding you just wasted a Q6600

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mrpockets:

and have say, three other networked boxes that don't ahve tuners installed running the front end

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mrpockets:

?

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justinh:

even if you were farming out HDTV from 3 tuners you'd not be using much CPU

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justinh:

if all you wanted to do was serve TV, no transcoding or much commercial flagging – a pentium 3 could be your backend machine

[16:25:41]

justinh:

the frontends doing the playback have to have CPU grunt

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justinh:

if a frontend machine isn't powerful enough to play the video you feed it, it won't matter what your backend has

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justinh:

mrpockets: at a linux show I had a crappy 800mhz athlon box with 512MB RAM. it served 3 frontends just fine

[16:27:27]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt take much power to serve data to a small number of endpoints

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justinh:

if anything, CPU grunt is the last of your worries on a backend machine (to a point)

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mrpockets:

dman

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mrpockets:

um

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mrpockets:

you need a seperate tuner then for each front end it servs?

[16:28:39]

thatdood:

someone wanna pull this boot outta my ass, please? heh

[16:28:55]

justinh:

you need one tuner per frontend which wants to watch TV

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wagnerrp:

you need a separate tuner for each simultaneous stream you want

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justinh:

but there's nothing to stop a frontend user just watching something previously recorded

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mrpockets:

gotchya

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wagnerrp:

or from listening to music, watching mythvideo, dvds, ...

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justinh:

if you add a tuner to a frontend, it's a backend :D

[16:30:29]

wagnerrp:

also, the more you use mythtv, the less youll find yourself watching livetv

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thatdood:

my inquiry was directed at any known issues with that setup, not wether i wasted a Q6600 or not.

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justinh:

and the more you develop mythtv, the less you will watch TV :D

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jordo2323:

I am looking to build a higher end myth tv box. I have not built or purchased any hardware as of yet. Does anyone have any link to a list of compatable hardware with Myth or offer any tips?

[16:32:02]

wagnerrp:

thatdood: then you have to better describe the setup

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wagnerrp:

because a processor alone isnt going to cause you any problems

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justinh:

jordo2323: no hardware is compatible with mythtv. hardware either works in linux or it doesn't

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justinh:

one man's high-end is another man's lame-ass machine

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squidly:

justinh: lol

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wagnerrp:

unless you say you want to run mythtv on your Cell, or GPU

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justinh:

jordo2323: what do you want to do with it?

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wagnerrp:

basically the suggestions are... buy nvidia and mpeg encoders (or digital)

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justinh:

no point buying an expensive VGA card. mythtv won't/can't use fancy GPU features anyway

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thatdood:

ok, well heres the issue. I have a backend server consisting of an AMD X2 4000+ with 1 dvb-s card installed. mythbuntu 8.04.1, everything is running just fine. Now I set up this quad core, and its giving me some problems, like locking on a transponder with 0% signal strenth and finding channels on it.

[16:34:43]

wagnerrp:

unless of course you want to use mythgame, but of course thats still not mythtv

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justinh:

if you want to play h.264 HDTV get a FAST dual core CPU (think => 2Ghz C2D)

[16:35:21]

thatdood:

also, when changing channels on the quad core, i almost always get error while displaying video. I dont have that problem on the dual core machine.

[16:35:37]

wagnerrp:

thatdood: the processor will make no difference in tuning, the board will make no difference in tuning

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justinh:

operator error :P

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thatdood:

same cards

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justinh:

same distro?

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wagnerrp:

about the only problem you may have is if the card is no longer grounded properly

[16:36:00]

justinh:

same kernel version?

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thatdood:

yes, same distro

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wagnerrp:

or if you broke the card during the upgrade

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thatdood:

followed the same procedure for installation

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justinh:

same kernel version?

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thatdood:

yessir

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justinh:

ach well. I'm outta here. good luck getting help, silent ones

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tuxokc:

I've done a fresh install of Fedora 9 on x86_64, and for the life of me can't figure out why I consistently get "x11 support no" in Video Output Support. This is a reinstall, so it worked fine before. I'm using svn/trunk

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wagnerrp:

tuxokc: where do you see that message?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Sounds like he's seeing that after a ./configure of the svn myth...

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like a line from 'configure'

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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tuxokc:

wagnerrp: configure spits it out

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wagnerrp:

you have xorg installed? and are not using '-disable-x11'?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tuxokc: All I can tell you is that I'm running FC8 x86_64 fine, without that issue... haven't even thought about upgrading my backend to 9 yet...

[16:41:06]

tuxokc:

I've verified that libX11-devl, and xorg-server-devel and such things are installed

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tuxokc:

I even tried --enable-x11, no change

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wagnerrp:

grab svn/0.21-fixes and see if that has the same error

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tuxokc: You don't get a message at the top of the configure output that says something like "xyz missing, blah blah blah disabled"... do you?

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wagnerrp:

dump the whole output from configure

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wagnerrp:

just the screen output, not the entire log

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tuxokc:

Just started the 21-fixes 'regression' thing a few minutes ago, so I'll let you know how that goes...

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jordo2323:

justinh: the normal stuff, hook digital cable into it, store movies/music, etc

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

... I'm running 0.21-fixes ...

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tuxokc:

The only problem configure reports is the QtWebKit problem.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

jordo2323: You've got about a 50/50 chance of being able to tune any digital channels off of your cable feed, they're probably encrypted...

[16:46:39]

wagnerrp:

youve got a better chance of going through firewire

[16:46:47]

wagnerrp:

but the only surefire solution is an hdpvr

[16:46:59]

wagnerrp:

and thats $200 + a somewhat unstable build

[16:47:21]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... and needs an STB to provide component HD output to it...

[16:47:55]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

... And you need a "Ferrarri" of a system to play it back, it's H.264 encoded, no hardware decoding available yet in Linux...

[16:48:25]

wagnerrp:

you dont need THAT much power

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wagnerrp:

mid to high C2D

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wagnerrp:

the encoder is not sliced, so decoding is only single threaded

[16:49:23]

wagnerrp:

one whole core is left to idle

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I guess my point is that you can't skimp by on a Semperon 3000+... that barely plays MPEG2 HD, never mind MPEG4... no chance there!

[16:50:00]

wagnerrp:

if/when the SOC ffmpeg stuff shows up, you wont need much more than any dual core processor to play back hdpvr output

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

That would be very nice... ;-)

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tuxokc:

configure of 21-fixes complains that Lame MP3 is not available. I just installed it to clear this one up for svn/trunk.

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work: that sempron shouldnt have much trouble with HD mpeg2, and if it just, just try xvmc

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tuxokc:

Here's what configure spits out in it's entirety:

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tuxokc:

$ ./configure

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tuxokc:

Warning! QtWebkit headers not found, MythBrowser will not work.

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tuxokc:

# Basic Settings

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tuxokc:

Compile type release

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tuxokc:

Compiler cache symlink gcc

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tuxokc:

DistCC no

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tuxokc:

qmake /usr/bin/qmake-qt4

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tuxokc:

install prefix /usr/local

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tuxokc:

runtime prefix /usr/local

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wagnerrp:

stop!

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tuxokc:

CPU x86_64 (model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 2800+)

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tuxokc:

big-endian no

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tuxokc:

MMX enabled yes

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wagnerrp:

!!!!!

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tuxokc:

CMOV enabled yes

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tuxokc:

CMOV is fast no

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tuxokc:

# Input Support

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tuxokc:

Joystick menu yes

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tuxokc:

lirc support no

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tuxokc:

Video4Linux sup. yes

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tuxokc:

ivtv support yes

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tuxokc:

HR-PVR support yes

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tuxokc:

FireWire support no

[16:53:30]

tuxokc:

DVB support yes [/usr/include]

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wagnerrp:

stopstopstopstopstopstopstop

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tuxokc:

DBox2 support yes

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tuxokc:

HDHomeRun support yes

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tuxokc:

IPTV support yes

[16:53:38]

tuxokc:

# Sound Output Support

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tuxokc:

OSS support yes

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tuxokc:

ALSA support yes

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tuxokc:

aRts support no

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tuxokc:

JACK support no

[16:53:50]

tuxokc:

libfftw3 support no

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tuxokc:

# Video Output Support

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tuxokc:

x11 support no

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wagnerrp:

hes already pasted it all in hasnt he... its just taking that long to filter through the server

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tuxokc:

OpenGL video no

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tuxokc:

OpenGL vsync no

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tuxokc:

DirectFB no

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tuxokc:

Fribidi formatting no

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tuxokc:

# Misc Features

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tuxokc:

multi threaded libavcodec yes

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opello:

or from his client

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tuxokc:

Frontend yes

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tuxokc:

Backend yes

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tuxokc:

# Bindings

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tuxokc:

bindings_perl yes

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tuxokc:

bindings_python yes

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tuxokc:

Creating libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.h and libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.mak

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tuxokc:

libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.h is unchanged

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jduggan:

dude

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jduggan:

you deserve to rott in hell

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opello:

"Use http://pastebin.ca/" :)

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opello:

right up there in the topic :p

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wagnerrp:

or any of the other dozen pastbin-type sites

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jduggan:

or cat >webspace/paste.txt

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, that was rather uninformative

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tuxokc:

I've been ther and back. Ive got my head full of the problem at hand, so pastebin at the top of the list.. I'll keep it in mind next time

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wagnerrp:

there probably is some error in the configure log that would explain everything

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tuxokc:

Uninformative is right.. I've looked at the config.err nothing jumps out at me. http://pastebin.ca/1185426

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wagnerrp:

whats that windows.h?

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directhex:

oh look, a paste

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directhex:

isn't irc meant to kick you for things like that///.

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jduggan:

should be a bot that kicks on flood ;P

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wagnerrp:

seems the configure failed because it could not find a libX11.so, there was no compile test, so there was no error to be seen in the log

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tuxokc:

wagnerrp: libX11.so and it various links are present in /usr/lib64/

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wagnerrp:

what about in just /usr/lib?

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tuxokc:

there are no 32 bit version present

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wagnerrp:

/usr/lib is the standard library path

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wagnerrp:

/usr/lib32 usually holds the 32bit versions in a 64bit system

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wagnerrp:

just link /usr/lib to /usr/lib64, and see what happens

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tuxokc:

there a small number of 32bit object files in /usr/lib/ already.

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wagnerrp:

well thats just funky

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tuxokc:

I thought so. since /usr/lib/X11 is empty I'll zap it and create a link to the 64bit libs...

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tuxokc:

I should have known it would be simple, but still something is not quite right. using --libdir-name=/usr/lib64 fixes things.

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tuxokc:

If I'm watching programs in the next half hour I'll have to figure out where the bug report goes.

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, most distros (ive seen) stick their 64bit stuff in /usr/lib, or at least link it to /usr/lib64

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tuxokc:

I moved some hardware around and decided to do a fresh install for the therapeutic !benefits, so I had all of this working two days ago on the same cpu, just a different mainboard.

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justinh:

fine, add another to the list

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

tuxokc: "just a different mainboard." <-- can be a significant difference...

[18:33:48]

ReikoShea:

is this coming up again today?

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ReikoShea:

i remember this conversation went to modular kernels yesterday

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ReikoShea:

(about mainboards)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

ReikoShea: ... I guess so... I wasn't aware of the conversation yesterday...

[18:35:21]

justinh:

besides, it had FA to do with mythtv anyway

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** J-e-f-f-A|work usually runs the same hardware/os for a year or two, then upgrades everything at once... ;-) **

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gizmobay:

Sometimes I accidentally leave a program I'm watching. I thought there was a setting that you can have myth prompt you before exiting. I can't find it in setup. Does anyone know which menu it is?

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justinh:

ooo that would be annoying. there is no such setting

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gizmobay:

I thought there use to be maybe it was just on exit.

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javatexan:

what are those places that cable companies get their programming from, but normal US citizens can do it too? Was it PBX?

[19:20:46]

forrestv:

does mythtv have a dbus/hal interface?

[19:21:38]

wagnerrp_:

javatexan: if you have a big ass dish, you can pick up free satellite programming

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wagnerrp_:

PBX is a phone system

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wagnerrp_:

private branch exchange

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javatexan:

LOL...what about with one about the size of dishnetwork.... I though PBX was telephones....

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javatexan:

so did google :)

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wagnerrp_:

thats correct, PBX = private branch exchange (phone system)

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javatexan:

i am tired of my cable company dorking me around

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wagnerrp_:

anyway, a 18" dish likely does not have sufficient gain to pick up the GS sats

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javatexan:

ture

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javatexan:

true

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wagnerrp_:

you may get reception under perfect conditions, but throw in some clouds, and youre screwed

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GreyFoxx:

java: I think you are referring to k-band and c-band

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GreyFoxx:

cband being quite common

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GreyFoxx:

no idea how expensive it is :)

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Dagmar:

Now? Not very.

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wagnerrp_:

considering its 'citizen band', theres probably a fair bit of equipment designed for consumer's budgets

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wagnerrp_:

or is that different

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Dagmar:

You can *get* expensive equipment for them, but the dish is only expensive if you can't find someone local desperate to get rid of their backyard's very own white elephant

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wagnerrp_:

shit... i disconnected

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justinh:

why would mythtv want to abstract hardware itself?

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Dagmar:

Those big dishes are also a m*th*rf*ck*r to calibrate

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wagnerrp_:

and sure enough, the IP changed too

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wagnerrp_:

thats twice in 2 weeks, after going nearly a year on one IP

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp_: Wholly different netblock?

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wagnerrp_:

its all in the same B

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wagnerrp_:

66.42

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Dagmar:

Hmm... okay

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wagnerrp_:

although my ISP has 3 or 4 Bs that ive seen before

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Dagmar:

Theyv'e got something fancy going on with two regions in my area, so those of us with "double docsis" modems tend to wind up in a crazy looking 98.x.x.x netblock

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wagnerrp_:

probably more that i havent seen, since thats only ~250K users

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forrestv:

justinh, was that to me?

[19:29:31]

justinh:

forrestv: yup

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Dagmar:

Still tho if you're running a dhcp client that refreshes it's lease accordingly, the IP should never change except under rare circumstances (or extreme idiocy at the ISP)

[19:30:00]

justinh:

your OS should sort out the hardware. just point mythtv at it & be done

[19:30:02]

forrestv:

justinh, to manage the display and sleeping, and to monitor drives, networking

[19:30:06]

javatexan:

dont think my wife will let me get a dish that big....Unless you can camoflauge as a tree

[19:30:21]

Dagmar:

javatexan: you probably don't want a big dish

[19:30:27]

wagnerrp_:

javatexan: ive seen cellphone towers camoflauged as trees out west

[19:30:43]

Dagmar:

Not unless you're a huge fan of a) NASA feeds, b) Congress, or c) Not having a clue what's on

[19:30:45]

javatexan:

nope..think you are right...darn

[19:30:55]

javatexan:

LOL

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justinh:

javatexan: back in the late 80s you could get all sorts of dish covers to make them less conspicuous

[19:31:26]

wagnerrp_:

you can hide it under some cloth covering, with minimal attenuation

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Dagmar:

Granted, when I was a kid I saw the Challenger explode about six seconds before probably 90% of the people watching, but that's kinda of dubious utility

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javatexan:

LOL

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Dagmar:

...or if you'ce got a friend that likes to make you watch game shows

[19:32:10]

justinh:

forrestv: anyway, it's a big fat no. Nor are there any plans to do so AFAIK.

[19:32:12]

wagnerrp_:

damnit

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Dagmar:

Catch 'em when they're broadcast to affiliates, so when your friend makes you watch you can call out all the answers in advance.

[19:32:25]

wagnerrp_:

twice now, my IP changes, and godaddy dies, at the same time

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javatexan:

I am using single stream cable cards and they stink....Every time the Cable co changes the line up, I lose the same number of channels in the switch around. I don't know why they don't just go to multistream cards....Thats what they have in my brother's cable box....So stupid

[19:35:37]

wagnerrp_:

single stream, multi stream?

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Dagmar:

Lose channels?

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: I've even seen one company that had a fake rock that could put over an 18" dish... not sure how much signal it blocked though...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

javatexan: http://www.montanasatellitesupply.com/Virtual . . . ers_s/64.htm

[19:45:05]

Dagmar:

"Why, do you like the new art installation? It's called 'Ayers' Rock On A Stick'"

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

crazy prices though... ;-)

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javatexan:

single stream cards cant get the "switched" channels by some design "feature". So to make room for the new HD content, they are moving some of the other channels into these switched spots....the end result is that the single stream card cant find them

[19:46:44]

Dagmar:

J-e-f-f-A: Such things are hard to make

[19:46:57]

Dagmar:

Making something look "okay" is fairly easy.

[19:47:33]

Dagmar:

Making something look like something _else_, and making it _keep_ looking like that something else regardless of what the _elements_ are going to do to it is not so easy.

[19:47:57]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dagmar: yeah, I understand... ;-) I just have my dishes up high, it would look funny to have a big rock on a pole 8' above the ground... ;-)

[19:48:01]

PatrickDK:

s/elements/kids/

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Dagmar:

Exactly why I made the Ayers' Rock comment. Hehe

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

I wonder if these are any good? http://www.satcomweb.com/passportline.htm

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javatexan:

the multistreams are available...the cable co in my area cant figure them out though....even though secretly their cable boxes have been using them

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

"In comparing signal strengths, I've computed that the flat panel is only about 1-half dB less gain than the common 18-inch dish." "... this means that an 86 on the parabolic dish might be 79 on the flat panel"... not bad IMHO...

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wagnerrp_:

the flat panel antenna is wired to properly phase shift the signal?

[20:29:29]

PatrickDK:

that seems odd

[20:30:28]

PatrickDK:

but then I am paranoid over .5db

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PatrickDK:

and that satcomweb.com is loading slower than hell for me

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wagnerrp_:

or is it not an antenna, but rather a fresnel dish?

[20:31:19]

wagnerrp_:

maybe i should just go to the link

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wagnerrp_:

yeah, im not getting anything either

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wagnerrp_:

actually, would a fresnel reflector even work for RF signals?

[20:37:05]

wagnerrp_:

ah, it indeed is a phased array

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wagnerrp_:

i suppose that means you really dont even need accurate aiming with it

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wagnerrp_:

assuming it has control electronics capable of adjusting the signal phasing

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darkd:

Hey guys, is there any way to get ATSC channel listings for the Toronto area into myth? Schedules Direct doesnt have it!

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troldrik:

How well does the win32 0.21 myth work?

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darkd:

from the sounds of it.. as well as in linx

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darkd:

but no backend functionality (aka tuners)

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wagnerrp_:

if you can manage to get it compiled, it probably works fairly well

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troldrik:

How hard can it be? :p

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darkd:

if its stable.. should be very easy

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[21:11:14]

** sphery tries hard to ignore a very annoying post on the -users mailing list (from someone who didn't read the posts that prove him wrong) **

[21:13:27]

justinh:

that list is getting easier to ignore every day :)

[21:15:42]

sphery:

I've been ignoring far more than I used to, but some posts (and, in many cases, some people's posts) are hard to ignore.

[21:17:51]

sphery:

I should also say that it's much harder to ignore when someone explicitly (and wrongly) says that I'm wrong. :)

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frog_:

why do people even use mailing lists anymore, rather than forums..

[21:29:11]

Dagmar:

Because it's too easy for the mentally disabled to spam forums.

[21:29:29]

sphery:

Why do people waste time with forums? Nothing like having to go out and find the interesting posts to read (versus having them right in your inbox).

[21:29:54]

frog_:

forums can be much more organized

[21:30:05]

Dagmar:

...and full of spam.

[21:30:08]

frog_:

rather than everything from everywhere going into your inbox

[21:30:20]

sphery:

e-mail can be extremely well organized...

[21:30:28]

sphery:

procmail and other solutions a-plenty

[21:31:10]

sphery:

Besides, do people ever post anything on fora besides, "Bump."?

[21:31:49]

Dagmar:

frog_: Try gmail's labels sometime

[21:31:59]

frog_:

mail should be for personal mail IMO, forums are the place for group talk.

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frog_:

and they can be moderated to eliminate spam just as easily as mailing lists

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frog_:

its just crazy to see all these mailing lists.. and then web sites that put the mailing lists into forums (read-only) to look at anyway.

[21:33:48]

GreyFoxx:

I don't really see the appeal of web forums

[21:34:35]

GreyFoxx:

Oh look, rather than just use my already open email application to read a reply to my post I get a notification to go check the webforum cause someone posted in my thread.

[21:34:51]

sphery:

I have procmail filters that organize all my mail. In the event that it's a mail from the MythTV mailing lists, the filters actually scan the message content and look for any reference to me and tag the message (so it's purple in my mail clients) or if it's from me, they tag the message (so it's green in my clients).

[21:35:10]

GreyFoxx:

procmail is heavily used in my stuff too :)

[21:35:12]

sphery:

I can also have it scan for any particular topic on which I'm currently concentrating my efforts.

[21:35:38]

sphery:

And, I don't have to use a /web/ browser to read my messages--instead, I use a messaging client...

[21:36:08]

GreyFoxx:

and, I can download my mail (if I wasn't using imap and even then I could use imapsync) and read while offline

[21:37:14]

sphery:

Yeah. (I also use IMAP, but have T-Bird's offline extension installed so I can read offline--which happens a /lot/ when I travel.)

[21:43:33]

Dagmar:

Gmail POP is FTW

[21:45:25]

sphery:

Yeah, I might trust GMail with POP, but I don't trust the webmail/IMAP approaches (i.e. letting Google store all my e-mail).

[21:45:42]

sphery:

I just hate that POP is a poll-for-updates approach.

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jimbalaya:

hello – what do i need to look at, if the frontend will only work if i enter "localhost" in screen 1 of the configuration (not the mythtv-setup configuration, the config within the frontend) (Setup-General-Database Configuration 1/2)?

[21:56:05]

jimbalaya:

it won't work if i enter "127.0.0.1", so there's got to be some configuration somehwere else that specifically states "localhost"

[21:56:32]

sphery:

jimbalaya: sounds like a MySQL misconfiguration

[21:57:27]

jimbalaya:

sphery: ok ... it probably is ... but i'm not sure where to look .... i did read something about using phpmyadmin and viewing user entries, and that they might be listed as "username@hostname" and that would only allow them to connect via that hostname

[21:57:57]

sphery:

I.e. you have a bind-address set to localhost in my.cnf (/etc/my.cnf or /etc/mysql/my.cnf)

[21:57:59]

jimbalaya:

so i probably have a "username@localhost" entry, that i could simply change to "username@*" .... a bit insecure, but still

[21:58:06]

sphery:

could be that, too

[21:58:12]

jimbalaya:

that's odd, because i commented that line out

[21:58:18]

sphery:

check bind address first, though

[21:58:30]

sphery:

Oh, OK, you said you commented that out.

[21:58:34]

sphery:

Then it's probably the password.

[21:58:40]

jimbalaya:

bah, nope, i changed that back to my ip (so, "bind-address = 192.168.2.2")

[21:59:00]

jimbalaya:

i doublechecked the my.cnf file when you mentioned it

[21:59:19]

jimbalaya:

but that IP isn't localhost or 127.0.0.1 ....

[21:59:28]

sphery:

yeah, that would mean you can only use the network from 192.168.2.2, but if you use localhost, you're not using the network, you're using a Unix socket.

[21:59:39]

jimbalaya:

i see

[21:59:48]

sphery:

just comment the line

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wagnerrp_:

thats not true

[22:00:18]

wagnerrp_:

accessing over a unix socket, and accessing over a loopback interface are two different things

[22:00:43]

sphery:

right, but MySQL uses a unix socket when you specify localhost

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Landon:

I'm trying to install a frontend on my eeepc, probably missing some step here, but I can't find it in the guides

[22:01:35]

Landon:

when I open the frontend to watch tv it complains about not being able to contact the mythtv server

[22:01:41]

Landon:

the only server settings that I can find are for mysql

[22:02:01]

Landon:

(I used mythbuntu-control-centre to get the frontend up and running)

[22:02:07]

sphery:

jimbalaya: BTW, you will have to restart mysqld once you change that setting.

[22:02:30]

wagnerrp_:

Landon: chances are you set up the backend on 127.0.0.1, rather than an externally accessible IP

[22:02:49]

wagnerrp_:

Landon: go into mythtv-setup, first section, first page

[22:03:03]

wagnerrp_:

and make sure that youre using the network ip, rather than the loopback one

[22:03:19]

jimbalaya:

i commented the bind-address line out, ran /etc/inti.d/mythtv-backend stop, ran /etc/init.d/mysql restart, ran /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend start, changed the config in frontend to point to 192.168.2.2, and now i can't get into live tv

[22:03:45]

Landon:

wagnerrp_: so what is port 6543 open for?

[22:03:55]

Landon:

nothing is attempting to use it

[22:04:08]

sphery:

so that means that the frontend now works, but LiveTV doesn't? (Is it a different error, now?)

[22:04:13]

sphery:

jimbalaya: ^^^

[22:04:23]

jimbalaya:

another thing i'm not sure of is if the mythtv-setup general screen (two IP settings) need to match the frontend config setup

[22:05:09]

jimbalaya:

the only difference, so far, is that live tv doesn't work .......... i apologize for this, but it's a bit confusing since there are so many variables – i don't have a complete grasp on each setting and its result

[22:05:54]

sphery:

before livetv worked?

[22:06:21]

jimbalaya:

i've had a few 'scenarios' ... some instances cause the frontend to appear to lose its settings and need to be reconfigured (so, frontend doesn't work) ... some instances cause the frontend to work, but live tv would not (also, it would not exit the front end) ... and a properly configured scenario where everything works

[22:06:45]

sphery:

jimbalaya: See http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2 and http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html --they should have everything you need.

[22:06:56]

sphery:

If you have specific questions along the way, feel free to ask.

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jimbalaya:

ugh, i do, but i can't express them properly :-/ ... i'll make a list of what i've tried and the results, and i'll share that via pastebin or something, i guess

[22:08:25]

jimbalaya:

((wow, colloquy makes that "/" face look really angry))

[22:08:56]

jimbalaya:

ah, yeah, sphery, this is one of the pages i was using....

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jimbalaya:

er, nope, sorry, very similar though – http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1

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jimbalaya:

does the "mythtv" in grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; specify a username, or a password?

[22:11:11]

Landon:

hm, that must have been the problem, thanks guys

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meatmanek:

I'm using gentoo, going to recompile mythtv with lirc support. do you think LIRC_DEVICES=pctv would work for my pinnacle pctv 800i?

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sphery:

jimbalaya: mythtv@"%" is username@<host identifier> and identified by "mythtv" is password

[22:16:47]

jimbalaya:

would this be the mysql password? listed at the top of the ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt file?

[22:16:56]

sphery:

yep

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jimbalaya:

ugh, how do i find out which user mythbackend is running as?

[22:27:19]

sphery:

ps -efw | grep mythbackend

[22:31:40]

jimbalaya:

ugh, i HATE when it's a simple oversight (ie: did you READ it??!?!?) that causes huge hassles ............ on the first page of the mythtv-setup screen, i had to set the IP in both places (ok) – but i ALSO had to set the 'PIN', which I completely ignore a half dozen times because it wasn't mentioned in the instructions i was reading from

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sphery:

Oh, yeah, that's important. :)

[22:32:04]

sphery:

Glad you found it.

[22:32:08]

jimbalaya:

it turns out :-)

[22:32:36]

jimbalaya:

yeah, this last time through, i read "(required)" and thought "hm...there's a key word!"

[22:33:08]

sphery:

Now if I could only find out why my new, faster mythfrontend has buffering issues when skipping in recordings that are playing back with timestretch != 1.0, we'd both be happy.

[22:33:26]

sphery:

(The sad thing is that I should know enough about Myth by now to be able to figure this one out...)

[22:33:46]

sphery:

jimbalaya: so, where in the docs should that PIN info be.

[22:33:54]

jimbalaya:

so i learned that the "identified by" portion of the mysql command is the password ... and i also learned that the frontend setting 'database server hostname' doesn't need to correspond with the mythtv-setup entry

[22:33:54]

sphery:

HOWTO-9?

[22:34:29]

jimbalaya:

yes, at the 'General' section here: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.1

[22:34:42]

sphery:

I'll make up a patch.

[22:34:47]

sphery:

Got any suggested words?

[22:35:41]

Dagmar:

sphery: The order of operation on that is that the frontend talks to the database using mysql.txt wasn't it?

[22:35:57]

jimbalaya:

something like "Be sure to add a PIN in the ___ text box, noting that leaving this blank allows only localhost, and entering '0000' allows any connection" .....

[22:36:15]

jimbalaya:

i forget what the text box is called...

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jimbalaya:

the important part for the docs is to 1) note that the PIN setting is required (as it states) if you've got more than 1 mythtv-related machine in the mix and that 2) setting this to 0000 will set a 'wildcard' allowing any host to connect without the need for a PIN on the client-side (if i understood that correctly)

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gentoo:

is there any documentation on mythfilldatabase --manual? i can't figure out what the fields mean...

[22:41:52]

abarber:

i was having trouble with my channel change script, but i finally got no error messages with "/usr/local/bin/change-channel-lirc.sh 200"

[22:41:56]

abarber:

however

[22:42:03]

abarber:

it doesn't change the channel

[22:42:12]

abarber:

to 200

[22:42:22]

abarber:

what should i be looking at to fix that?

[22:43:06]

sphery:

Dagmar: the config.xml is preferred over the (now deprecated) mysql.txt.

[22:43:15]

gentoo:

also, how do you delete video sources?

[22:43:34]

Dagmar:

sphery: Yeah, but I mean, it's a local file that tells the frontend where to look

[22:43:39]

abarber:

gentoo, what do you mean "delete"?

[22:43:55]

sphery:

gentoo: delete with D , but I highly recommend reading http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 and linked posts

[22:44:05]

Dagmar:

...which is why I'm wondering why there's an entry in the database that would be able to tell a frontend conflicting information.

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Dagmar:

...or is that guy just totally misinterpreting what that db entry is for?

[22:45:56]

abarber:

dagmar: if my channel change script seems to run from the command line and the channel DOESN'T change, must my codes be wrong?

[22:46:13]

sphery:

AIUI, the DB entry tells the backend to verify that PIN before allowing connections. The config.xml provides the info necessary for the frontend to contact the backend using UPnP (with which it will be told the proper PIN). However, if the UPnP handshake doesn't work (i.e. for Myth Perl bindings), the config.xml (or the mysql.txt) may provide a SecurityPin

[22:46:24]

Dagmar:

abarber: "seems to run" and "changes channels" are two separate things

[22:46:47]

Dagmar:

Has it _ever_ changed the channel?

[22:47:08]

abarber:

no

[22:47:10]

sphery:

The whole reason that config.xml is preferred is because it allows us to securely connect to the backend (using the PIN specified in the DB) without storing the PIN locally.

[22:47:15]

Dagmar:

If it hasn't then you might well have told LIRC to blast for the wrong device, or your blaster isn't working

[22:47:17]

abarber:

werll

[22:47:20]

abarber:

let me clarify that

[22:47:24]

sphery:

(where secure = "better than nothing" ;)

[22:47:38]

abarber:

the remote gives the appearance of changing channels within myth

[22:47:43]

gentoo:

<gentoo> is there any documentation on mythfilldatabase --manual? i can't figure out what the fields mean...

[22:47:48]

abarber:

because a box comes up and has the channels change

[22:47:57]

Dagmar:

sphery: Whoa, wait... How does config.xml allow a secure connection?

[22:48:04]

abarber:

but the receiver doesn't get the signal

[22:48:25]

abarber:

okay

[22:48:27]

abarber:

well

[22:48:32]

abarber:

i see a light in the blaster

[22:48:38]

Dagmar:

abarber: Setting up an IR blaster for output is a whole nother configuration from using LIRC for input

[22:49:07]

abarber:

is there a file i should check for the blaster device?

[22:49:21]

Dagmar:

If config.xml is a local file, with a pin in it, then is the frontend talking to the backend to get the mysql info then?

[22:49:30]

gentoo:

is mythfilldatabase --manual the same as the channel editor?

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Dagmar:

That seems kinda broken somehow

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sphery:

Dagmar: The frontend can connect to the backend via UPnP. Then the frontend requests the DB connection info via UPnP, then looks up the SecurityPIN using DB access. That way, the PIN need not be stored locally (where it can become out of sync with the DB-stored PIN).

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sphery:

I'm trying to figure out how much detail to go into for the patch for the docs...

[22:52:56]

Dagmar:

I wouldn't use the word "secure"

[22:53:00]

sphery:

I may just simplify it to the point of saying, "you should always set the PIN"

[22:53:12]

sphery:

Dagmar: thus, 08.26 18:47:23 < sphery> (where secure = "better than nothing" ;)

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sphery:

anyone with access to the DB can always get the PIN.

[22:53:37]

sphery:

So, as long as the DB is insecure...

[22:53:37]

Dagmar:

That's like wearing a t-shirt that says "The password is: blah"

[22:54:02]

meatmanek:

Huh.

[22:54:23]

sphery:

Yes, but at least we now have a password.

[22:54:51]

Dagmar:

That requires nothing to obtain.

[22:55:09]

sphery:

yes

[22:55:21]

Dagmar:

This makes it a redundant step, man

[22:55:23]

sphery:

but it's TV, so the need for true security was determined to be lower than the need for usability

[22:55:32]

Dagmar:

There's no secret involved in that set of transactions.

[22:55:37]

meatmanek:

I'm using the pinnacle 800i, and the mythtv and linuxtv wiki pages say that it uses the cx2388x IR system, but I don't see an IR port in lspci

[22:56:01]

sphery:

Dagmar: but if it did require a secret, the secret would have to be stored on every Myth client, thus making it less than secret.

[22:56:18]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[22:56:20]

sphery:

Feel free to write a true security implementation (might be good to do it as part of a multi-user Myth patch). :)

[22:56:23]

Dagmar:

It _stays_ less than secret, too.

[22:56:56]

Dagmar:

...since there's no access control on what's required to obtain either the PIN or the db credentials

[23:00:42]

Dagmar:

Actually.

[23:01:00]

Dagmar:

Nah nevermind

[23:01:11]

sphery:

Actually, it will fail to get the DB connection info without the proper PIN. The UI asks for the PIN on startup.

[23:01:21]

Dagmar:

If you *wanted* to at least restict access to the thing, I know of something

[23:01:30]

Dagmar:

Okay so that would at least work minimally

[23:01:40]

sphery:

I personally don't care... I see it as a waste since it's just TV.

[23:01:49]

Dagmar:

You do, at the outset, have a secret involved.

[23:02:05]

Dagmar:

So yeah, that does "work well enough" for a home appliance

[23:02:08]

sphery:

But some people made a big deal about it when CDev was doing the UPnP stuff.

[23:02:19]

Dagmar:

Well, yeah, because uPnP is just wide fucking open

[23:02:32]

Dagmar:

It has no security because it's assumed you've probably got physical proximity.

[23:03:05]

Dagmar:

The way you were describing it it was still allowing any frontend to connect without any kind of challeneg

[23:04:29]

Dagmar:

I wrote a thing awhile back to do a once-per-transaction protocol over IRC, but without a private channel to pass the initial secret along, it was basically just session auth and replayable

[23:04:52]

Dagmar:

In testing, it was revealed that the users were all morons.

[23:04:59]

sphery:

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how the clients get the PIN because not all of my systems have a config.xml with a SecurityPin

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Dagmar:

The IDEA being you call someone up and they tell you a password over the phone or something.

[23:05:37]

Dagmar:

You put that in, it facilitates the initial exchange between the other client, and from there, it just becomes passing tokens XORd with an equal amount of entropy.

[23:06:09]

Dagmar:

I *meant* for the protocol to be implementable in any crappy scripting language an IRC client might have

[23:06:47]

sphery:

Hmmm. The fallback to the mysql.txt allows it to work even if you don't specify a PIN (because mysql.txt has the DB connection info which allows it to look up the PIN).

[23:07:28]

Dagmar:

Yeah I knew it would do that bit

[23:07:34]

Dagmar:

...or was pretty sure at least

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gentoo:

any description of mythfilldatabase --manual?

[23:07:56]

kormoc:

Dagmar, did the new network route fix your upnp stuff?

[23:08:04]

sphery:

So, since the default install puts a /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/mysql.txt , if you're using the default connection info, the PIN is useless, too (but then again using default username/password for the DB make security useless, too).

[23:09:31]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Haven't had a chance to test it yet

[23:09:34]

Dagmar:

I'm sure it will tho

[23:09:40]

Dagmar:

Tehre was also the OTHER thing

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Dagmar:

The bloody rig diables uPnP if you've got everything on one machine and are using the localhost hostname.

[23:10:34]

Dagmar:

I gotta dig through my Stevens book to cite why that shouldn't be happening

[23:10:59]

Dagmar:

s/happening/done/;

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gentoo:

in mythfilldatabase --manual, in what format do you specify the channel #? it says 'like xawtv'... i've never used xawtv

[23:12:46]

Dagmar:

2008-05–29 01:36:06.716 MediaServer:: Loopback address specified – localhost. Disabling UPnP

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Dagmar:

*bzzzt*

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wagnerrp_:

you keep mythtv logs that far back?

[23:14:14]

Dagmar:

Umm... Yes.

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Dagmar:

I have a "Solution" for logs.

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Dagmar:

:)

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abarber:

dagamr: where should i be looking to troubleshoot this LIRC/blaster problem?

[23:14:54]

wagnerrp_:

mine usually roll over and get deleted before 3 months go by

[23:15:04]

Dagmar:

Min get deleted based on space

[23:15:13]

Dagmar:

i.e., if it's out of it, old logs go until there's space

[23:15:29]

Dagmar:

Log archive filesystem is separate from the logging filesytsem

[23:15:44]

Dagmar:

Web logs, system logs, "whatever-else" logs all go there

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Dagmar:

Considering I've got 2Gb allocated to that...

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Dagmar:

Remote syslog is yer friend.

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wagnerrp_:

ive been meaning to set up remote syslog

[23:18:58]

wagnerrp_:

actually, can mythtv log to syslog?

[23:19:17]

Dagmar:

It can with the help of logger(1)

[23:19:42]

wagnerrp_:

ill have to look into that

[23:19:55]

wagnerrp_:

its roughly the only reason i still mount my frontends with write access

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Dagmar:

logger's whole reason for being is basically to have it so things which aren't aware of syslog.h to be able to write to the system logs

[23:23:11]

gentoo:

what does "Choose a channel number (just like xawtv)" mean??

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wagnerrp_:

so you point logger at a file, and it forwards that file to syslog?

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Dagmar:

If you want to dump a file, sure.

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Dagmar:

logger also takes stuff from stdin

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Dagmar:

Might be worth trying to make it read a fifo

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stoth:

ga!

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Dagmar:

There's lots of ways this can be rigged.

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wagnerrp_:

oh, so i just have mythtv dump to stdout, and pipe it to logger

[23:27:22]

Dagmar:

Yeah basically.

[23:27:26]

gentoo:

can someone please help? what does "Choose a channel number (just like xawtv)" mean??

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stoth:

I don't have any audio playing tv in myth....

[23:27:38]

Dagmar:

fifos are magical because they block read() when the pipe is empty

[23:27:55]

Dagmar:

They can also unfortunately block write() when the pipe is full and not being read from, so, YMMV.

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Dagmar:

s/they block/they can block/;

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abqjp:

stoth: digital or analog?

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wagnerrp_:

so in other words, make sure the syslog server is always running

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abqjp:

stoth: in other words, S/PDIF?

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Dagmar:

Mainly if you use a fifo you make damn sure osmething is always listening on the other end

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Dagmar:

syslog itself does relaying between hosts just fine

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gentoo:

can you hear me?

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wagnerrp_:

fine, just fine

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stoth:

abqjp: hmm, audio is very low using a stb via firewire.

[23:30:02]

wagnerrp_:

i just have no idea where you are, or what you are looking at

[23:30:12]

wagnerrp_:

could you give some sort of context for that line?

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kormoc:

gentoo, with such a generic nickname, it's hard to

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kormoc:

helpmeplease, wow, you're really putting a face behind that name!

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp_: The biggest warning I can give about logger is for god's sake use the -t argument to tag stuff so you can figure out what process emitted it later

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stoth:

abqjp: at full volume is barely heard.

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Dagmar:

Otherwise you just get a bunch of crap in the syslog you can't tell where they came from

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** kormoc laughs **

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abqjp:

stoth: Depending on the ffmpeg version, audio can be very low volume. janneg actually modified the myth version of ffmpeg to try and compensate.

[23:32:30]

wagnerrp_:

well ideally, i would just give mythtv one hole file on the server

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helpmeplease:

kormoc, i don't think the nick really matters... can you please just explain what "Choose a channel number (just like xawtv)" means?

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wagnerrp_:

and then just tag it by machine and front/backend

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp_: Yep. I don't tho.

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kormoc:

helpmeplease, well, it means you need to choose a channel number via a similar process if you were choosing a channel number for xawtv

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Dagmar:

I just grep for the tagname.

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abqjp:

stoth: iamlindoro_ uses firewire. He may be able to help.

[23:33:35]

helpmeplease:

kormoc, i haven't used xawtv, so can you briefly explain the format?

[23:33:36]

kormoc:

helpmeplease, given you haven't really given where you're seeing that or what not, it's hard to be more specific. Context matters a lot

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helpmeplease:

<gentoo> in mythfilldatabase --manual, in what format do you specify the channel #? it says 'like xawtv'... i've never used xawtv

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kormoc:

helpmeplease, so look up xawtv and see it's format. So very few people use that option I doubt anyone can say off hand

[23:35:22]

helpmeplease:

kormoc, its used for anything besides schedulesdirect and eit only...

[23:35:53]

kormoc:

helpmeplease, no, typically people just use xmltv to generate the files in that case

[23:36:12]

helpmeplease:

kormoc, what do you mean by that?

[23:36:42]

helpmeplease:

mythtv-setup said to run mythfilldatabase --manual. i did and it asked me that.

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kormoc:

mythfilldatabase can read xmltv files, so people who don't use SD or EIT or the like use a xmltv grabber and import that data

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Dagmar:

It means they don't need to know xmltv's format, because xmltv knows xmltv's format just fine.

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abqjp:

stoth: if it is that bad, you *may* just be hearing cross-talk, and the audio output settings may be wrong.

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stoth:

audio appears to be quiet in this platform – likely not a myth issue.

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helpmeplease:

kormoc, i am using an xmltv grabber, but xmltv data doesn't contain frequency data. i guess this is the way to associate channels.

[23:38:19]

abqjp:

stoth: have you tried mplayer?

[23:38:33]

stoth:

yeah, better now that I tweaked a few audio settings.

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kormoc:

helpmeplease, no, you set the frequency table in mythtv-setup and it'll match channel numbers to/from frequencies

[23:40:06]

helpmeplease:

kormoc, xmltv data doesn't have channel numbers either.

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helpmeplease:

is that wrong?

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kormoc:

So what's it have? If it has no frequencies or channel numbers, how are you matching up a channel number/frequency to the data?

[23:41:48]

kormoc:

you could also just do a channel scan in mythtv-setup and have it create your channel table that way

[23:42:02]

kormoc:

or just buy SD and save yourself the hassle

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xand:

hmm

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xand:

I keep deleting recordings using mythweb... they disappear from the list, but then they reappear...

[23:43:05]

xand:

it gets rid of the files though

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kormoc:

kinda hard to do both (not delete the meta data but the files)

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wagnerrp_:

should mythtv ever write anything to ~/.mythtv during operation?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp_, it does, yes

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xand:

kormoc: well it does, it leaves the db info there but removes the actual recordings :|

[23:43:57]

wagnerrp_:

besides the theme cache?

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xand:

and thumbnails

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kormoc:

wagnerrp_, other caches, mythvideo cover art...

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kormoc:

xand, given the backend does both, it seems strange

[23:44:29]

xand:

yes :(

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stoth:

abqjp: better now, thanks.... lots of different volume settings between myth, mixer and desktop

[23:44:51]

wagnerrp_:

i guess that means ill have to mount the home directory separately

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abqjp:

stoth: That's linux for you. Glad it is better.

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xand:

hmm

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xand:

2008-08–27 00:41:58.741 ERROR when trying to delete file: /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/flux/2003_20080522200000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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wagnerrp_:

i guess i would have to mount it writable for the ~/.Xauth files anyway

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kormoc:

xand, sounds like it's not on the disk to start with

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xand:

yeah it removed it :p

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xand:

something is broken

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xefan:

hi =) i have the following err when trying to correctly-access video0 or vbi0 device, my new wintv 3000 card

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xefan:

root (<swdev:0:1)/usr/sbin # v4l-conf

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xefan:

v4l-conf: using X11 display :0.0

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xefan:

dga: version 2.0

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xefan:

X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode

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xefan:

Major opcode of failed request: 137 (XFree86-DGA)

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xefan:

Minor opcode of failed request: 1 (XF86DGAGetVideoLL)

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xefan:

Serial number of failed request: 13

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xefan:

Current serial number in output stream: 13

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xefan:

running debian, both debian and kanotix ubuntu kernels do the same

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xefan:

nvidia card with drivers

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xefan:

anyone an idea?

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kormoc:

xefan, wow, next time, please use a pastebin

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xefan:

k i thought about it, but people overlooking stuff wont visit links

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kormoc:

It's channel policy to use pastebins

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xefan:

k

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kormoc:

as for DGA, wasn't that removed in the latest x.org release?

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