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| [00:01:53] | andycaz: | iamlindoro: are you still here? I found that there are some lang files in mythweb/modules/_shared/lang/ can i just make my own estonian.cat and it will work out of the box? |
| [00:02:18] | ldn: | does anyone know what codeset verizon fios uses for the irblaster? |
| [00:02:23] | andycaz: | iamlindoro:ah nope, its defined in includes/translate.php |
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| [00:04:40] | nordle: | hello, not really sure where to ask. I have an executable file called mythtv_xine.sh which launches xine with a bunch of commands. I can run this file from a terminal within fluxbox and it works fine. But it fails to do anything when called from .lircc and the remote control. The weird thing, this was working for 18mths, but its not worked for so long now that I cant remember what I may have broken. |
| [00:04:40] | nordle: | I also open mplayer using the same method and this works. Any suggestions please? Thanks. |
| [00:05:18] | nordle: | I asked in xine and lirc, but no joy and figured someone here may have come across something similar. |
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| [00:13:22] | andycaz: | iamlindoro: yup, i just edited translate.php and made my own .lang and .cat and it worked – i now have all the bells and whistles. |
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| [00:14:03] | my2keh: | look at you! |
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| [00:26:20] | porcodildo: | hi |
| [00:26:33] | porcodildo: | I'm trying to compile mythtv 0.21 |
| [00:26:40] | porcodildo: | and it fails |
| [00:26:54] | porcodildo: | http://rafb.net/p/kL4rQ596.html |
| [00:26:58] | porcodildo: | :( |
| [00:28:29] | iamlindoro_: | You need to move your existing installed libavcodec, libavformat, and libavutil out of the your library directory (probably /usr/lib) |
| [00:30:13] | purserj: | porcodildo: or give myth a different prefix |
| [00:31:24] | porcodildo: | mmm ok |
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| [00:54:04] | porcodildo: | well used --prefix=/opt |
| [00:54:07] | porcodildo: | same result :( |
| [00:54:19] | porcodildo: | instead of /usr |
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| [00:55:58] | iamlindoro_: | Then go back and follow my advice :) Move those library directories somewhere it won't fine them. |
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| [00:58:27] | clever: | or chmod 0 if your lazy:P |
| [00:58:50] | porcodildo: | mm right :D |
| [00:59:19] | clever: | i typoed a mv of a binary in /bin a few weeks ago |
| [00:59:25] | clever: | i moved the whole /bin by mistake |
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| [01:00:08] | clever: | it realy screws things up:P |
| [01:09:22] | porcodildo: | lol |
| [01:09:26] | porcodildo: | same error :SSS |
| [01:09:39] | porcodildo: | I will continue tomorrow |
| [01:09:41] | porcodildo: | Im sleeping |
| [01:09:43] | porcodildo: | sorry |
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| [01:21:48] | fryfrog: | iamlindoro_: so far, the no reset and much longer time out seems to have helped a lot. out of about 8 recordings, only 2 were mucked up |
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| [01:29:03] | thatdood: | anyone know what causes this: |
| [01:29:07] | thatdood: | RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/2801_20080824202551.mpg): Invalid file (fd -1) when opening '/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/2801_20080824202551.mpg'. |
| [01:29:21] | thatdood: | followed by a bunch of these: |
| [01:29:35] | thatdood: | RingBuf(/var/lib/mythtv/recordings/2801_20080824202551.mpg) Error: Invalid file descriptor in 'safe_read()' |
| [01:30:20] | thatdood: | i then get booted from LiveTV: |
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| [01:30:23] | thatdood: | TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None |
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| [01:35:43] | wagnerrp: | means the expected recording either does not exist (backend does not have permissions) or cannot be read (frontend does not have permissions) |
| [01:37:01] | thatdood: | hmmm |
| [01:37:36] | thatdood: | i did a chmod 777 -R /var/lib/mythtv/ |
| [01:38:53] | thatdood: | guess im still missing something |
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| [01:43:02] | iamlindoro_: | !trout #hdpvr |
| [01:43:02] | ** MythLogBot slaps #hdpvr with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [01:43:15] | iamlindoro_: | Damnit, and I had gone for days without yelling at anyone |
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| [01:47:31] | wagnerrp: | what happened? |
| [01:48:34] | iamlindoro_: | Someone asking how to properly play the files. I said that you could do so in myth. He said, "any way to avoid having to use the frontend?" I replied, "Sure, mythtv filename.ts" |
| [01:48:44] | iamlindoro_: | which is true, you can use mythtv filename as a command line player |
| [01:49:20] | iamlindoro_: | so he installs myth, and complains because when he tries the command line, he needs to do the setup stuff properly before it will work |
| [01:49:31] | iamlindoro_: | and proceeds to accuse me of misleading him, lying to him, etc. |
| [01:49:56] | wagnerrp: | so he just wants things to work, without actually working to get it to work? |
| [01:50:01] | iamlindoro_: | yep |
| [01:50:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | f |
| [01:50:26] | iamlindoro_: | And then made a few snide remarks about how I "misinformed him" |
| [01:50:32] | iamlindoro_: | so I laid into him a teensy bit |
| [01:50:56] | iamlindoro_: | including the phrase "dumbass behavior like that is a perfect exemplar of why the below-average user shouldn't be messing around with this until it's in release, and even then, should probably get an adult to install/sound out the big words for them" |
| [01:50:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro_: I'm shocked – you laying into somebody? ;-) |
| [01:51:24] | iamlindoro_: | Seriously, I've been really really nice lately, but I will only sit and absorb so much, especially when I give straightforward answers |
| [01:52:01] | iamlindoro_: | That the files can be played in myth, and that you can invoke a command line player with the above command line. It is not unreasonable to expect that one will have to first properly set up the tool. |
| [01:52:25] | iamlindoro_: | and by no means a lie or misinformation because he had to do so |
| [01:55:12] | wagnerrp: | considering the person is using trunk (in order to use the hdpvr), it should be safe to assume said person understands how mythtv functions |
| [01:55:48] | iamlindoro_: | A non-myth user, it appears |
| [01:56:01] | iamlindoro_: | There seem to be a fair number of Linux Sage users in there lately |
| [01:56:12] | iamlindoro_: | although those guys have been predominantly pretty on the ball |
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| [02:07:17] | forrestv: | what does "failed to get pginfo" mean? |
| [02:07:35] | iamlindoro_: | it means stop looking at the frontend log and look at the backend log instead ;) |
| [02:09:00] | forrestv: | mysql table is crashed |
| [02:09:30] | iamlindoro_: | so fix |
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| [02:13:15] | forrestv: | iamlindoro, is it safe to repair while backend is running? |
| [02:13:29] | forrestv: | iamlindoro_ * |
| [02:13:36] | iamlindoro_: | nope |
| [02:14:53] | forrestv: | ok, thanks. needed to get the olympics closing |
| [02:17:31] | kgbzealor_: | In brief, playback and previews wont work through the frontend either on the backend machine or a remote frontend. I keep getting errors that say "NVP::Openfile(): Error, couldn't read file /blahblah/". What is an nvp error, and does anyone have any insight? Google/forums seem to be a lot of dead ends. Thanks |
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| [02:18:46] | iamlindoro_: | Since you've chosen to paraphrase instead of pastebin errors, my assumption is that the frontend user lacks permissions to play the files |
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| [02:20:32] | kgbzealor_: | sorry, I'll see if I can get some specific errors to list for you. |
| [02:20:54] | iamlindoro_: | just check the permissions |
| [02:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | NVP = NuppelVideoPlayer |
| [02:22:19] | kgbzealor_: | oh thanks |
| [02:24:00] | kgbzealor_: | so the user running the backend should have read/write permissions to the recording directory? I've tried running "sudo mythbackend" and "sudo mythfrontend" with no success either. Am I missing something more specific? Mythtv v0.20.2 btw. |
| [02:24:33] | wagnerrp: | first step... upgrade to mythtv 0.21 |
| [02:24:49] | iamlindoro_: | off, yes, follow wagnerrp's advice |
| [02:24:51] | iamlindoro_: | er oof |
| [02:25:17] | iamlindoro_: | User running backend should have full permissions to the recording dir, frontened needs at least read permissions |
| [02:25:34] | iamlindoro_: | erm, scratch that last bit |
| [02:25:41] | kgbzealor_: | okay, I was trying to stick with the ubuntu default for portability's sake. |
| [02:25:43] | kgbzealor_: | which bit? |
| [02:25:48] | iamlindoro_: | That is, the backend needs read/write, yes |
| [02:25:54] | wagnerrp: | technically, the frontend does not need access |
| [02:26:00] | wagnerrp: | it can stream it through the backend |
| [02:26:02] | iamlindoro_: | forget what I said about frontend, backend streams to it so permissions don't come into play |
| [02:26:11] | kgbzealor_: | makes sense |
| [02:26:26] | kgbzealor_: | alright, I'll probably see you again with v0.21 |
| [02:26:29] | kgbzealor_: | thanks! |
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| [03:02:56] | kgbzealor_: | Anyone who's still listening, the problem wasn't with a permissions issue. Like an idiot, I misconfigured my capture card as an analog v4l card, vs. the MJPEG (PVR-150) that it was. Thanks for your assistance all the same wagnerrp, et. al. |
| [03:03:27] | kgbzealor_: | That all explained the black previews and NVP errors I think |
| [03:03:56] | wagnerrp: | the PVR-150 is NOT an MJPEG, but rather an MPEG card |
| [03:04:03] | wagnerrp: | there is a difference |
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| [03:04:21] | wagnerrp: | and all the same, you should still look into upgrading to 0.21, or 0.21-fixes |
| [03:04:46] | wagnerrp: | anyway, glad to hear its working |
| [03:05:10] | kgbzealor_: | sorry, I was paraphrasing again with the mpeg/mjpeg thing. |
| [03:05:44] | kgbzealor_: | Any word on whether there's a packaged version of 0.21 for ubuntu Gutsy? |
| [03:05:47] | wagnerrp: | just making that difference known |
| [03:06:11] | iamlindoro_: | why not try apt-get upgrade and find out? |
| [03:06:11] | wagnerrp: | mjpeg is a real codec, similar (or possibly the same as) the default rtjpeg used for framegrabber cards in mythtv |
| [03:06:52] | kgbzealor_: | all I see is 0.20 for the default repositories. I'll look for a non-standard repository all the same. |
| [03:07:28] | kgbzealor_: | ha, first google hit |
| [03:07:32] | fryfrog: | kgbzealor_: if all you see is 0.20, maybe you are using 7.10 or something not 8.04? |
| [03:07:32] | iamlindoro_: | Just look at backports |
| [03:07:50] | iamlindoro_: | You don't need a nonstandard repos or to go to 8.04, just enable packports |
| [03:07:55] | iamlindoro_: | er backports |
| [03:07:58] | kgbzealor_: | hmm |
| [03:08:22] | iamlindoro_: | because .21 predates 8.04, and was available before it to Ubuntu users |
| [03:08:33] | kgbzealor_: | ahhh |
| [03:08:35] | iamlindoro_: | or enable mythbuntu and go to town |
| [03:08:38] | kgbzealor_: | cool! backports it is! |
| [03:08:56] | kgbzealor_: | what's the difference between mythbuntu and the mythtv package? |
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| [03:09:31] | kgbzealor_: | if there's a quick answer, that is |
| [03:09:35] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv package is just the mythtv package |
| [03:09:48] | wagnerrp: | mythbuntu is a customized version of ubuntu for use as a dedicated mythtv box |
| [03:09:58] | kgbzealor_: | yeah, I thought so |
| [03:10:56] | iamlindoro_: | that said, what I meant was the mythbuntu repos, which carries weekly builds of .21-fixes |
| [03:11:15] | iamlindoro_: | and whose mythtv package is actually the source of the regular ubuntu one |
| [03:11:28] | kgbzealor_: | cool |
| [03:11:49] | kgbzealor_: | but I had problems with incompatible updates before, so I think I'll just get it working with 0.21 and leave it alone |
| [03:12:15] | kgbzealor_: | I don't need to be cutting edge until I find a problem I reckon |
| [03:12:29] | iamlindoro_: | -fixes isn't even close to cutting edge |
| [03:12:37] | iamlindoro_: | it's .21 plus bugfixes |
| [03:12:45] | iamlindoro_: | you *don't* want plain .21, you want .21-fixes |
| [03:13:07] | iamlindoro_: | so use the backports if you like, but make sure it's fixes and not plain .21 |
| [03:13:29] | iamlindoro_: | and the way to be sure you have fixes to begin with is to enable the mythbuntu repos and apt-get update mythtv after that |
| [03:14:25] | kgbzealor_: | okay |
| [03:16:12] | kgbzealor_: | it seems like the repos is only available for hardy currently |
| [03:16:36] | kgbzealor_: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [03:17:21] | iamlindoro_: | just change the word hardy to Gutsy and it'll work fine |
| [03:17:42] | kgbzealor_: | there won't be compatibility issues? |
| [03:18:23] | iamlindoro_: | If there *were* you wouldn't even be able to install the packages-- .21-fixes doesn't have any more dependencies than plain .21 |
| [03:19:33] | iamlindoro_: | heck, you can install Intrepid packages on Dapper if you want to |
| [03:19:52] | iamlindoro_: | as long as packages exist to satisfy any and all dependencies, there aren't issues |
| [03:20:52] | kgbzealor_: | I didn't realize |
| [03:20:57] | kgbzealor_: | Intrepid, eh? |
| [03:21:00] | kgbzealor_: | what's the animal? |
| [03:21:03] | iamlindoro_: | Ibex |
| [03:21:10] | kgbzealor_: | gotta love it |
| [03:22:14] | iamlindoro_: | But if you *do* have any questions about updating your install, #ubuntu-mythtv is the better place to go with them |
| [03:25:06] | kgbzealor_: | ok ok |
| [03:39:19] | weevilofdoom: | http://www.speedtest.net/result/313355985.png |
| [03:41:45] | weevilofdoom: | :D |
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| [03:47:53] | kgbzealor_: | Thanks so much again |
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| [03:52:00] | discombobulated: | is there no mythtv package where i just stick on my fooking drive and run it instead of installing loads of stuff and have it not work over and over? |
| [03:52:33] | sid3windr: | no. |
| [03:52:46] | wagnerrp: | so, you just want something that will run from a single location, and not need any sort of configuration, or database, or file access, or... ? |
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| [03:56:24] | iamlindoro_: | PS, you're still just as dumb as earlier today with a different name |
| [03:56:48] | iamlindoro_: | s/have it not work/be too dumb to make it work/ |
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| [03:59:00] | discombobulated: | wagnerrp, yes, one that doesn't use a database like some pvr's do but one that runs so i can configure it. mine won't even get started |
| [04:00:30] | weevilofdoom: | closest and easiest thing i've seen is 'mythbuntu' |
| [04:00:32] | weevilofdoom: | or 'mythdora' |
| [04:00:36] | iamlindoro_: | Guess it's time to install MCE |
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| [04:01:29] | weevilofdoom: | ha |
| [04:06:03] | wagnerrp: | i assume youre running it with the command 'mythtv'? |
| [04:06:46] | clever: | that will never 'just work' :P |
| [04:07:12] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, Don't be silly, he's not here for answers, he's here to troll-- like the four other times he was in here today under a different name |
| [04:07:44] | wagnerrp: | you know, the sad thing is that im sure i could have mythtv running from scratch 15 minutes after 'emerge mythtv' completed |
| [04:08:23] | iamlindoro_: | wagnerrp, That's because you a) have spent time reading the docs and b) have two brain cells to rub together for warmth :) |
| [04:08:31] | clever: | lol |
| [04:09:31] | wagnerrp: | to be honest, i had mythtv running in about 20 minutes on the first attempt (after 2 days dicking around with firmware files on ivtv 0.4) |
| [04:10:25] | clever: | last time i had firmware trouble a simple symlink to make it use the -generic firmware on -386 fixed it instantly |
| [04:11:06] | wagnerrp: | well now, ivtv is all automatic |
| [04:11:27] | clever: | i still had to 'sudo m-a a-i ivtv' also |
| [04:11:40] | clever: | but that was practicaly painless compared to lirc |
| [04:11:41] | wagnerrp: | back then, you had to download files, rename them, put them in the right direction, edit your module loading, hope for proper star alignment... |
| [04:11:56] | clever: | fun fun:P |
| [04:12:16] | clever: | lirc is also near painless on ubuntu 8.04, but its totaly useless |
| [04:12:34] | clever: | for some reason the signal it blasts out causes no reaction to the stb |
| [04:13:39] | clever: | i managed to get it working in the end by reverting to the original working .ko files and the matching kernel package |
| [04:14:33] | discombobulated: | i installed it 4 times and only 1 time of those did it work and i went by the book every time |
| [04:14:47] | iamlindoro_: | not by the book enough apparently |
| [04:15:01] | iamlindoro_: | and anyway, did you have a question, or did you just want us to hold you softly while you weep? |
| [04:15:10] | clever: | ive followed the lfs book word for word and still screwed up a few times |
| [04:15:24] | clever: | mostly mistyping 1 of the 3000 characters i had to type in by hand |
| [04:15:27] | discombobulated: | almost every time, it was an error that involved connected to the database |
| [04:15:40] | wagnerrp: | clever: well you also like masochism |
| [04:15:51] | iamlindoro_: | again, is there a question? |
| [04:15:57] | clever: | wagnerrp: copy/paste aids greatly |
| [04:16:26] | clever: | right now all my defered transcodes woke up at once at midnight |
| [04:16:33] | iamlindoro_: | since all this herculean effort appears to be in the past, I wonder why you're still here... |
| [04:16:39] | clever: | and ddos'd my main nfs server hard enough to knock out a few nfsroot systems |
| [04:17:18] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty hard (damned near impossible) to do |
| [04:17:32] | wagnerrp: | i KNOW ive loaded nfs systems far heavier than you |
| [04:17:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: the server was near 99% io wait causing the nfs replys to be too delayed for the system to run |
| [04:18:00] | clever: | the root cause of my delay was the harddrives |
| [04:18:02] | wagnerrp: | the nfsroot systems are just hung until they get nfs access, but they are by no means dead |
| [04:18:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: yep, except after 20mins the mouse still wouldnt move so i just reset the thing and that fixed it |
| [04:18:56] | clever: | ive pulled the cord on nfsroot systems before and had them recover after a long delay |
| [04:19:06] | clever: | sometimes its just faster to hard reset it |
| [04:19:42] | clever: | 57% Completed @ 16.3329 fps. 33% Completed @ 44.8556 fps. 13% Completed @ 70.4265 fps. |
| [04:19:55] | wagnerrp: | besides, each of those boxes should have only been consuming one daemon on the server |
| [04:19:59] | clever: | the core2duo system is still blazing fast |
| [04:20:04] | discombobulated: | does anyone know a good guide for mythtv and ubuntu 8.10? |
| [04:20:15] | clever: | its the kernel mode nfs server, so its a single process in kernel space |
| [04:20:15] | wagnerrp: | isnt nfs usually set up for 16 or 20 daemons? |
| [04:20:43] | clever: | root 4522 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Aug15 0:00 [nfsd4] |
| [04:20:43] | clever: | root 4527 1.8 0.0 0 0 ? R Aug15 241:53 [nfsd] |
| [04:20:53] | clever: | actualy 2 it seems, but the cpu load is only ever on 1 |
| [04:20:54] | iamlindoro_: | 1) download Mythbuntu ISO. 2) Boot off of ISO. 3) Follow all the pretty clicky pictures |
| [04:21:10] | discombobulated: | what do you guys use for a cable guide on mythtv? |
| [04:21:21] | wagnerrp: | well that changes things, we run nfs_v3 |
| [04:21:37] | clever: | wagnerrp: mount it as version 3? |
| [04:21:52] | clever: | id have to mod the scripts in the initrd to change how it mounts the root |
| [04:21:53] | wagnerrp: | i just know v4 has far more processor overhead |
| [04:21:59] | iamlindoro_: | Those in the US use schedulesDirect, those elsewhere use XMLTV for their country |
| [04:22:14] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, its using 17% of the cpu right now |
| [04:22:26] | clever: | and 0.6% to kswapd |
| [04:22:54] | clever: | its mainly a massive ammount of read bandwidth it seems |
| [04:23:19] | clever: | which makes sense when you look at the 2gig->600mb transcodes |
| [04:23:28] | clever: | they read in alot more then they write out |
| [04:23:34] | discombobulated: | iamlindoro_, is there any free one for US? |
| [04:24:03] | leprechau: | discombobulated, schedules direct might as well be free...it's like $20/year |
| [04:24:12] | leprechau: | homeless people can afford that |
| [04:24:34] | wagnerrp: | well the simulations ive been running at work is a grid of 145M points |
| [04:24:52] | discombobulated: | but i already paid for vista and it's free for me. i can't switch to linux and pay $20 a year when i already paid for a MC |
| [04:25:20] | discombobulated: | still want to use linux though |
| [04:25:36] | iamlindoro_: | oh well, then $20 it is |
| [04:26:03] | wagnerrp: | clever: its about 200MB spit out to each of 165 machines |
| [04:26:28] | clever: | wagnerrp: ouch |
| [04:26:47] | discombobulated: | i wonder if a 1.6ghz pc with 1gig of ram would handle vista. i could use it as my pvr and use linux entirely |
| [04:27:10] | wagnerrp: | the server is effectively down for about 20 minutes |
| [04:27:50] | wagnerrp: | anything running on the nfsroot machines continues to run, and any new commands can run, assuming the command is already cached in memory |
| [04:27:57] | wagnerrp: | but anything else just hangs at the prompt |
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| [04:28:31] | clever: | wagnerrp: the 1st thing to freeze tends to be gnome-panel |
| [04:28:40] | clever: | and then compiz froze up when i tryed to alt+tab |
| [04:28:47] | clever: | then the mouse pointer itself stoped moving |
| [04:29:05] | clever: | then i couldnt do anything |
| [04:29:15] | wagnerrp: | run the bulk nfs in a VM? |
| [04:29:37] | wagnerrp: | so nfsroot and storage are in two separate process queues |
| [04:29:51] | clever: | and they are on the same filesystem in the end:P |
| [04:29:59] | clever: | both are under the /media/mainlv/ mount |
| [04:30:09] | wagnerrp: | the file system isnt the issue |
| [04:30:13] | wagnerrp: | its nfs |
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| [04:30:37] | clever: | yeah i could run a 2nd userspace nfs server for the bulk of the data |
| [04:30:38] | wagnerrp: | the transcoding machine will grab a daemon and hold onto it for as long as its sucking data |
| [04:30:53] | wagnerrp: | once all of those are taken, youre SOL |
| [04:30:54] | clever: | but to pick which server to mount thru would become tricky |
| [04:31:16] | clever: | the nfsroot system(2 of them) where both transocoding at full speed(3 jobs) |
| [04:31:40] | clever: | 5 transcodes, 2 nfsroot systems, 1 show recording |
| [04:31:48] | clever: | all getting shoved down 1 ethernet line in the end and into a single pc |
| [04:32:36] | clever: | both a bandwidth and a queue problem |
| [04:33:12] | wagnerrp: | network bandwidth? no. disk bandwidth? possibly. |
| [04:33:29] | clever: | disk and network bandwidth |
| [04:33:40] | Puhi: | i'm still wondering why mythfrontend sitting in the main menu doing nothing causes xorg to use ~6% of cpu |
| [04:33:41] | wagnerrp: | are you running 10/100 or gigabit? |
| [04:33:57] | clever: | 100mbit, graphs show a peak of 6mbyte/sec at one point |
| [04:34:23] | wagnerrp: | ok, so you need to spend $50 and get gigabit |
| [04:34:23] | iamlindoro_: | 6% at idle isn't abnormal |
| [04:34:40] | iamlindoro_: | My Xorg is at 6% right now with xchat and firefox open |
| [04:34:45] | iamlindoro_: | and works great for myth |
| [04:34:59] | clever: | wagnerrp: how well would giga work on normal ethernet lines? |
| [04:35:22] | clever: | would i have to replace them with new ones with better noise sheilding |
| [04:35:22] | iamlindoro_: | where normal == ? |
| [04:35:32] | clever: | normal being something that can handle 100mbit |
| [04:35:38] | wagnerrp: | STP cable is rare |
| [04:35:46] | wagnerrp: | gigabit runs just fine over cat5e |
| [04:35:49] | iamlindoro_: | That's not a metric of what cable you're using, dork |
| [04:35:49] | clever: | ah |
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| [04:35:57] | wagnerrp: | and shouldnt struggle too much with cat5 |
| [04:35:57] | iamlindoro_: | and yes, 5e is more than enough |
| [04:36:02] | iamlindoro_: | indeed |
| [04:36:18] | clever: | id still have to replace half my nic's(some are onboard) and the switches |
| [04:36:32] | wagnerrp: | just replace the switch, and the NIC in the server |
| [04:36:42] | wagnerrp: | any single machine isnt going to be using more than 10/100 |
| [04:36:44] | clever: | ahh yeah |
| [04:36:53] | Puhi: | i started video playback and now xorg is using ~99% of cpu |
| [04:36:55] | clever: | but the 100's add up when they get focused on the server |
| [04:37:05] | clever: | but the other problem |
| [04:37:08] | Puhi: | mythfrontend is at around ~10% |
| [04:37:11] | clever: | i didnt run enough cords |
| [04:37:13] | iamlindoro_: | Puhi, using what video codec on what processor? |
| [04:37:19] | iamlindoro_: | and with what bitrate and source? |
| [04:37:32] | clever: | so i have 2 systems fed into 1 cord(using a old hardware router as a spliter/switch) |
| [04:37:41] | clever: | so those would only get 50mbit each |
| [04:37:50] | Puhi: | nvidia gf 8200, drivers 173.something, source is sd dvb-c stream |
| [04:37:59] | iamlindoro_: | What *codec* |
| [04:38:06] | iamlindoro_: | and what processor |
| [04:38:25] | wagnerrp: | they each get... 100mbit each, assuming they arent both using it |
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| [04:38:36] | wagnerrp: | and they shouldnt use more than 50mbit |
| [04:38:38] | Puhi: | this would be AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor BE-2400 at 2300MHz |
| [04:38:40] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you have *some* sort of video driver issue |
| [04:38:48] | Puhi: | and the source codec is MPEG2 |
| [04:38:55] | clever: | wagnerrp: but then the switch has to force 2 100mbit lines of bandwidth down a single 100mbit to the main switch |
| [04:38:58] | iamlindoro_: | so your issue is either your xorg.conf or the revision of nvidia driver |
| [04:39:25] | clever: | wagnerrp: and one of those systems is a core2duo transcoding at 70fps on a single core, so it could push alot of bandwidth |
| [04:39:25] | wagnerrp: | yes, but they can both use that full 100mbit so long as the other box is using none |
| [04:39:29] | iamlindoro_: | so now you can stop coming in every 12 hours and saying that you don't understand why xorg uses 6% at idle like you have been all weekend |
| [04:39:41] | iamlindoro_: | fix your xorg.conf or get a working driver revision |
| [04:39:42] | clever: | checking the graphs now |
| [04:39:51] | wagnerrp: | 70fps is going to be all of about 20mbit |
| [04:40:00] | Puhi: | well i'm repeating myself just to see if anyone knows these symptoms and could help me :) |
| [04:40:04] | Puhi: | not to annoy you :) |
| [04:40:04] | clever: | nope the combined usage of the 2 lines isnt breaking 7mbyte/sec |
| [04:40:12] | clever: | bearly breaking 6 |
| [04:40:25] | clever: | and i think 100mbit is ~= 8mbyte/sec |
| [04:40:32] | iamlindoro_: | Puhi, Well you're not going to get any more help than you already have, as you were referred to the relevant wiki information on Friday, and you *are* annoying me now |
| [04:40:38] | wagnerrp: | 100mbit ========= 12.5MB/s |
| [04:40:42] | wagnerrp: | exactly |
| [04:40:53] | clever: | i'll check my math again |
| [04:40:58] | iamlindoro_: | so visit #yourdistro and mention that xorg is eating too much CPU when playing video, and get them to help you fix your drivers |
| [04:41:01] | wagnerrp: | 100/8... hard stuff there |
| [04:41:08] | clever: | :P |
| [04:41:17] | clever: | but theres 1024 bytes to the kb |
| [04:41:19] | wagnerrp: | any decent hardware should be able to push >10MB/s |
| [04:41:36] | clever: | which comes out to 11.92 today |
| [04:41:40] | clever: | weird:P |
| [04:41:51] | clever: | maybe my brain is just getting numbers mixed up |
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| [04:44:14] | clever: | and i dont think ive passed 10mbyte/sec very often |
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| [04:46:41] | wagnerrp: | i know ive seen my laptop push that, and that was through a 10/100 switch, through a gigabit switch, through another gigabit switch, and to my server |
| [04:46:50] | clever: | lol |
| [04:47:28] | clever: | right now this laptop(which i think can go giga) is going into a 10/100 router(with nat/dhcp off) then the 10/100 cisco switch which goes directly into the central nfs server |
| [04:47:37] | clever: | whole path should be 100 |
| [04:48:23] | clever: | though im also doing alot of heavy x11 forwarding that between 2 laptops that are on that router |
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| [04:48:31] | clever: | bandwidth i cant graph from the cisco |
| [04:49:46] | clever: | 2008-08–25 01:45:13.948 transcode: Transcode Starting: How It's Made: Medium Quality (1.0 GB) |
| [04:49:48] | clever: | 2008-08–25 01:45:17.577 transcode: Transcode Errored: How It's Made: Medium Quality (exit status 0, job status was "Starting") |
| [04:49:51] | clever: | thats also odd |
| [04:50:16] | clever: | that backend has done nothing but fail 3–4 jobs in a row tonight |
| [04:50:35] | clever: | any -v flags that may help? |
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| [05:37:42] | rcbarnes: | So has anyone here a personal recommendation for a (nearly) silent Linux micro PC that can do 1920x1080 over DVI? I want to watch media from my server on my new 1080p HDTV at full resolution. |
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| [05:40:45] | rcbarnes: | I'm willing to build, too, but I haven't any idea where to start for this type of machine (my last/current build was/is a dual 2216 Opteron, 8-drive RAID-6, living room inappropriate, 100 lb. beast that's in my office). |
| [05:43:38] | wagnerrp: | check out dagmar's user page on the wiki |
| [05:43:47] | wagnerrp: | he recently detailed building on that fits the bill |
| [05:44:01] | wagnerrp: | although maybe a bit big for what youre looking for |
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| [05:49:06] | abarber_: | Anyone have myth working with a Dish 322 receiver? |
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| [06:13:39] | rcbarnes: | wagnerrp: Thanks for the direction, though I can't seem to find his user page. :-/ |
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| [06:18:17] | tonyb: | rcbarnes: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dagmar_d'Surreal&nb sp;? |
| [06:21:09] | rcbarnes: | tonyb: Thanks. |
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| [08:10:27] | loki_666_: | i'm experiencing a weird issue while playing video (with mplayer) and livetv |
| [08:10:58] | loki_666_: | the free memory of the system is going up and down |
| [08:12:14] | loki_666_: | when it reach about 8mb of free memory, video hangs for about 1/10 second |
| [08:12:31] | loki_666_: | then free memory is about 80mb |
| [08:13:06] | loki_666_: | free memory goes down to 8mb again then it hangs etc... etc... |
| [08:13:33] | loki_666_: | anyone experiencing same issue |
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| [08:19:21] | loki_666_: | anyone living here? |
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| [08:20:14] | at0m|c: | loki_666_, sure, just nobody answering for now |
| [08:21:03] | at0m|c: | like i don't cos i don't know the answer to your problem |
| [08:21:05] | loki_666_: | k |
| [08:21:17] | at0m|c: | hive it some time eh |
| [08:21:20] | at0m|c: | give even |
| [08:21:56] | loki_666_: | well the question could be: is that a normal behaviour that my memory is going up and down |
| [08:22:06] | loki_666_: | while playing video/live tv |
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| [08:22:44] | loki_666_: | i guess anyone who is using mythtv and running top, could answer this |
| [08:23:04] | ** at0m|c monitors ** | |
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| [08:23:30] | cesman: | perhaps you are the only one experience said problem |
| [08:24:05] | loki_666_: | ty at0m|c |
| [08:24:54] | at0m|c: | memory usage remains pretty constant here... and sure no stuttering |
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| [08:25:32] | loki_666_: | ok how to know where is going this memory? which process is doing that |
| [08:25:47] | loki_666_: | while running top, i could not see any process eating memory |
| [08:25:57] | loki_666_: | neither the disk cache btw |
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| [08:50:37] | justinh: | hrm. in an application which buffers a variable amount according to the bitrate of the video being played back – would it be unusual if memory usage varies? HRM. |
| [08:52:34] | ** justinh wonders why it generally seems to be people who have no understanding how linux manages memory that have concerns about memory usage. ** | |
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| [08:58:34] | jblack: | justinh: uhhh. durh? |
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| [09:09:39] | gbee: | just done an interesting, although not very scientific experiment with suggests that XvMC doesn't save any cpu (seems to use more) with an Intel GPU – does that sound about right? |
| [09:10:24] | gbee: | 945GSE fwiw |
| [09:11:27] | Sulx: | no? |
| [09:11:55] | laga: | gbee: what driver? there has been some work on xvmc on the intel driver recently AFAIK |
| [09:13:03] | gbee: | laga: 2.1.1 or something, reluctant to update it since this version has some manufacturer patches to help with powersaving etc but I can take a look at 2.2.* |
| [09:13:25] | justinh: | I think you'd need to use even newer than that |
| [09:13:34] | justinh: | as in cvs |
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| [09:14:55] | justinh: | ooo I have xvmc available here |
| [09:15:00] | gbee: | meh, I'll wait until they are released |
| [09:15:04] | justinh: | I'll try something |
| [09:15:12] | justinh: | using 2.0 here though |
| [09:16:25] | gbee: | like I said, it wasn't scientific, screens not large enough to have both the terminal with top and video visible – I really need to ssh in and run top in the background |
| [09:17:13] | clever: | i can get a much better view by running a graph line the system monitor in gnome-panel inside vnc(or thru x11 forwarding) |
| [09:17:22] | justinh: | okay. playing a vob with 16% CPU usage (ish) |
| [09:17:25] | clever: | and most video playback is very eratic for cpu usage |
| [09:17:41] | clever: | the cpu usage highly depends on how much is moving at the time |
| [09:17:53] | gbee: | interestingly mplayer and the other installed video apps get the aspect ratio of the video all wrong, only mythtv gets it right (fullscreen 16:9) |
| [09:18:11] | clever: | i have a few 264 files which start to lag when the whole screen goes into a complex fade between scenes |
| [09:19:47] | justinh: | 12–13% CPU with xvmc |
| [09:20:20] | clever: | my bigger cpu usage problems are how mythfrontend continues to suck large ammounts of cpu when paused |
| [09:20:29] | clever: | when it just has to display a single static frame... |
| [09:20:33] | justinh: | oh wait. no saving whatsoever |
| [09:20:38] | clever: | mplayer can do that on 0% cpu power |
| [09:20:53] | justinh: | it's waving around – seems just about the same usage if not slightly more |
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| [09:21:54] | gbee: | so it's not just me then |
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| [09:23:01] | clever: | i didnt see any real large gain when i tryed xvmc, and i lost the colors on my OSD, so i just turned it back off |
| [09:23:40] | Sulx: | I use xv also |
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| [09:23:47] | gbee: | made a decent gain with an nvidia GPU, or at least it did when I last tried it 2 years ago |
| [09:23:56] | Sulx: | better quality and colored osd =) |
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| [09:25:25] | gbee: | thought the chromakey OSD in 0.21 was supposed to give colour with XvMC, although no transparency |
| [09:25:41] | clever: | i tested it months ago |
| [09:25:46] | justinh: | gbee: recent nvidia chipsets made chromakey no worky |
| [09:26:18] | justinh: | only works with up to 5xxx series IIRC |
| [09:26:24] | justinh: | anything 6xxx & up – no go |
| [09:27:05] | justinh: | and IIRC intel xvmc has never offerred much of a saving. something about it not offloading the bits which take most grunt.. or something |
| [09:27:07] | clever: | ive only got a mx 40 |
| [09:27:11] | clever: | 440 |
| [09:27:22] | gbee: | "We can't use ChromaKey OSD if chromakeying is not supported!" << Apparently so :) |
| [09:27:27] | justinh: | aye no iDCT |
| [09:28:07] | justinh: | oh and apparently the driver reports xvmc is available but it won't work on chipsets > i830 |
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| [09:30:36] | justinh: | wonder if mplayer is any different |
| [09:30:39] | gbee: | used to work on my 6200, but it doesn't currently, just a blank screen and some XV errors – might be software/config related |
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| [09:31:27] | justinh: | not impressed with the wireless though. in the same room as my router & playback is bufferring lots |
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| [09:32:38] | gbee: | have to say that I'm starting to find that different wifi cards/chipsets and drivers make a huge difference |
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| [09:34:14] | justinh: | under windows it's fine |
| [09:34:34] | justinh: | signal level is useless in linux too. can't go beyond the back door on linux before it drops out |
| [09:35:12] | clever: | i can get within about 2–3 feet of the garage before my signal totaly drops out |
| [09:35:32] | clever: | which is also near the limit of one of my longer ethernet cords |
| [09:35:56] | clever: | though i could just put the wifi ap at the end of that cord:P |
| [09:36:56] | gbee: | the Atheros AR5006EG in this netbook is amazing compared to the Broadcom in my laptop, can walk all over the house (and 20 feet outside) whilst streaming video from the backend without a single glitch |
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| [09:37:28] | clever: | i have a single atheros pci card somewhere but its missing now |
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| [09:37:52] | justinh: | btw gbee can you remind me what happened with the OSD base resolution before 0.21- is it still stuck at 640x480 & rendered at the res of the played back video or can the base res now be different & is it shown at screen resolution? |
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| [09:38:00] | clever: | i also have a broadcom in my newest laptop which refuses to even connect to anything |
| [09:38:06] | clever: | ndis wrapper and open soruce driver both crash |
| [09:38:56] | gbee: | justinh: iirc the base res is unlocked, but it is still scaled to the resolution of the video (current limitation of the code) |
| [09:39:20] | justinh: | ahh ok ta |
| [09:39:49] | justinh: | so where I picked up that it can be output at the screen res must be in the -vid branch or something |
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| [09:40:24] | gbee: | oh yeah, no it works that way in 0.21 with the opengl video renderer |
| [09:40:53] | gbee: | which is unstable on _some_ systems so is disabled by default in 0.21, but it worked well for me |
| [09:41:07] | gbee: | I'd forgotten that |
| [09:41:16] | justinh: | gbee: mplayer with -vo xvmc reports xvmc is not available despite it being reported as available in the Xorg log. there's da answer |
| [09:42:07] | justinh: | ahhh – I've been trying the opengl renderer here. maybe I should try it on my frontend too |
| [09:42:33] | gbee: | opengl renderer with opengl osd |
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| [09:44:40] | justinh: | opengl osd == gl theme painter |
| [09:44:42] | justinh: | ? |
| [09:44:55] | Sulx: | nope |
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| [09:45:24] | justinh: | so what enabled opengl osd? |
| [09:45:46] | justinh: | simply using opengl video rendering? |
| [09:45:55] | gbee: | under playback profiles you can select how the OSD is rendered |
| [09:46:13] | justinh: | ahhh! |
| [09:46:24] | gbee: | Softblend/OpenGL2/Chromakey/iaasomething |
| [09:46:25] | justinh: | see how little I've looked around those menus |
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| [09:47:01] | gbee: | options depend on the video renderer used, opengl2 is only available with opengl video rendering |
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| [09:49:28] | justinh: | I really do dislike this playback profile stuff. yeah it's powerful but... :-\ |
| [09:50:53] | gbee: | agreed, just wish I had a better idea for that stuff |
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| [09:53:58] | Steven_M: | hi all |
| [09:55:16] | Solv: | does anybody know if there is a general hardware channel for help with hardware issues? other than #linuxhelp on which nobody ever says anything |
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| [09:58:23] | Steven_M: | is it possible to get mythtv to execute this python script and use it as a video source? http://nice.net.nz/tv_grab_nz-py |
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| [09:59:43] | laga: | damn |
| [09:59:47] | ** laga stabs quilt ** | |
| [10:00:14] | laga: | don't tell my series file ends in patch 195 when that's not true |
| [10:00:16] | justinh: | arghhh. played a bbc hd file with mythtv & it hung when I plugged my wired network in & now I can't stop it |
| [10:00:25] | justinh: | kill -9 isn't even working |
| [10:00:53] | gbee: | Steven_M: install it in /usr/bin and run tv_find_grabbers, does it show in the results? |
| [10:01:09] | laga: | justinh: i'm preparing a sync for h264.c right now |
| [10:01:24] | justinh: | it seemed to be coping ok |
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| [10:04:05] | Steven_M: | gbee: ahh, that could be the missing step hang on |
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| [10:12:42] | justinh: | hmmm. 166% CPU usage on my craptop. pretty much copes |
| [10:12:57] | justinh: | bet it'd be better with a newer ffmpeg sync too |
| [10:13:35] | gbee: | skiploop? |
| [10:13:36] | justinh: | y'know I could one day be sold on HD. SDTV looks ok but HD is MOAR |
| [10:13:41] | Solv: | please tell me that's a dual core? |
| [10:13:46] | justinh: | gbee: oh yeah forgot about that |
| [10:13:51] | justinh: | Solv: no, it's half a core |
| [10:13:56] | justinh: | :P |
| [10:14:02] | gbee: | Solv: well single core ain't going to manage h.264 |
| [10:14:13] | Solv: | didn't read any previous posts |
| [10:14:27] | Solv: | impulsive post |
| [10:14:34] | justinh: | anyway, only one core can't get you over 100% in top :P |
| [10:14:44] | gbee: | at least not something which won't melt through the case, and burn a hole right to the core of the earth |
| [10:15:10] | justinh: | gbee: what's that then, the new AMD processor codenamed Thermite? |
| [10:15:26] | gbee: | high end P4 |
| [10:15:32] | justinh: | heh |
| [10:15:52] | justinh: | so, what's the magical incantation to try skiploop doodahs? |
| [10:16:04] | gbee: | justinh: requires a patch first |
| [10:16:36] | justinh: | I'm not that fussed. got plenty else to be getting on with. just thought I'd give it a go on the craptop with its core2 CPU |
| [10:16:46] | justinh: | oops.. not core2. it's a core duo |
| [10:16:50] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4653 |
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| [10:17:14] | ** gbee thinks that naming scheme is confusing ** | |
| [10:17:27] | Solv: | i never new there was a difference |
| [10:17:31] | Solv: | knew |
| [10:17:58] | clever: | just wait till they make a core2tri! |
| [10:17:59] | justinh: | there is but even in benchmarks there's naff all to tell between em |
| [10:18:32] | Solv: | I just stick with AMD....not sure why but i like em better |
| [10:18:48] | justinh: | horses for courses. fanboydom etc |
| [10:18:50] | Solv: | maybe cause i like the supporting the underdog |
| [10:19:09] | justinh: | maybe you like having a warmer house or more cash in t |
| [10:19:11] | Solv: | that's why I like linux =) |
| [10:19:13] | justinh: | in your wallet |
| [10:19:16] | Solv: | hehe |
| [10:19:24] | Solv: | AMD run nice and cool now |
| [10:19:28] | justinh: | maybe amd cpus look more purdy to you |
| [10:19:34] | justinh: | maybe I'm just a pervet |
| [10:19:39] | Solv: | yeah |
| [10:19:40] | justinh: | who knows? |
| [10:20:16] | justinh: | life's too short for being vehemently anti-anything (to do with conscooters) |
| [10:20:32] | Solv: | yes, true |
| [10:21:31] | justinh: | MS dominate the market – pretty much by default. booo hooo. use em or don't use em. macs are mighty purdy. linux is useful to varying degrees & is free or Free or FREE. |
| [10:21:43] | Solv: | now you've got me thinking about all the things i might be pro/anti in life =) |
| [10:22:06] | Solv: | not too keen on spammers |
| [10:22:15] | Solv: | cancer sux |
| [10:22:32] | gbee: | I prefer AMD, but can't really say why either – maybe I'm just not very fickle, AMD made the best CPUs when I was last buying and just because Intel are momentarily better doesn't mean I'm going to start yelling anti-AMD rhetoric until the situation changes agin |
| [10:22:35] | gbee: | again |
| [10:22:42] | justinh: | spammers are harmless. the fools who fall for their scams deserve all that comes to them. greed is bad |
| [10:22:49] | Solv: | american sitcoms i'm usually anti |
| [10:23:11] | Solv: | reality-tv |
| [10:24:01] | Solv: | gbee, yeah i think that's the same with me |
| [10:24:12] | justinh: | a lot of people in the UK whine about the TV licence fee. Me – I'd protest to have it increased if it made the bbc increase the quality of their output |
| [10:24:39] | gbee: | but also therereally isn't any point to this whole CPU vs CPU thing anymore, it used to make a difference but it really doesn't anymore – you can still do all the things you need to do on machines that are four years old, so get off the conveyer belt |
| [10:24:41] | Solv: | yeah i heard about that...my friends from australia went over there and couldn't believe it |
| [10:25:08] | justinh: | couldn't believe what? the fact our public service broadcaster is so good? |
| [10:25:11] | Solv: | gbee, yeah i got a dual core 3800+ 3 yrs ago...and it is still more than enough |
| [10:25:22] | Solv: | nothing wrong with the abc here |
| [10:25:26] | Solv: | and it's government funded |
| [10:25:31] | justinh: | and that ITV1 is just a channel stuck between BBC2 and channel four ? :D |
| [10:25:52] | Solv: | our commercial channels are pretty ordinary...mostly us programming |
| [10:26:06] | justinh: | ITV can't really afford to show US imports |
| [10:26:07] | Solv: | and our abc is about 50 percent bbc programming anyway...so thanks guys |
| [10:26:09] | justinh: | how ironic |
| [10:26:39] | gbee: | I'm trying to remember if ITV1 was always rubbish, or has it just been that way for so long that it just feels like that? |
| [10:27:00] | justinh: | gbee: I think there was a time it could hold a candle to the BBC |
| [10:27:14] | gbee: | justinh: the irony is that ITV can, but they then stick them all on their digital only channels (2,3,4) |
| [10:27:23] | justinh: | when they still made nature documentaries & brilliant investigative journalism |
| [10:28:02] | justinh: | and when they still put out more than 30 minutes of original childrens' programming a day |
| [10:28:12] | Solv: | yeah that's where abc shines over our commercial stations...oh and we also have sbs |
| [10:28:22] | gbee: | justinh: I think I remember that when I was a kid we always used to watching ITV1 on Sunday evenings because they had the good, kid friendly dramas – but that's about the only good thing I remember about ITV1 now |
| [10:28:23] | justinh: | i.e. before the soaps had almost daily episodes |
| [10:28:46] | Solv: | which is slightly commercial...but very limited amount of commercials...and is mostly for multicultural audience |
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| [10:29:12] | gbee: | ahh yeah, they did the Cook Report etc |
| [10:29:39] | gbee: | so yes, it was better at one time |
| [10:30:24] | Solv: | sbs also shows all the football...english premier league, all the eurpoean leagues...funnily enough our own aussie football/soccer league is only available on paytv |
| [10:30:36] | gbee: | don't remember the nature documentaries, but then everything seems to pale in comparison to the BBCs output in the last decade on that score |
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| [10:30:41] | Cutter: | how fast is channel switching on DVB-T? |
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| [10:30:52] | Solv: | Cutter about 3–5 seconds |
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| [10:31:06] | Cutter: | does it depend on the DVB-T card? |
| [10:31:35] | Solv: | yes it can, but with myth it buffers to the hdd first so it is always a little slower than a set top box |
| [10:32:05] | Cutter: | why isn't mythtv buffering AFTER displaying the channel? |
| [10:32:26] | gbee: | ... |
| [10:32:29] | Solv: | so that it doesn't have buffer underruns |
| [10:32:35] | Solv: | that's the whole point |
| [10:33:03] | gbee: | how do you buffer something that's live if you don't buffer _before_ displaying it? |
| [10:33:06] | Cutter: | ah yes |
| [10:33:11] | Solv: | you get used to it anyway |
| [10:33:17] | justinh: | Solv: in the case of some STBs, myth is faster |
| [10:33:55] | Solv: | just cause it's not as fast as analog....i couldn't care less....and especially if you have dual tuners and just record all your shows ahead of time then it makes no difference whatsoever |
| [10:34:13] | gbee: | the real point, as we keep pointing out is that after a while you don't even watch TV live, you just schedule all your programmes in advance and watch them back at your leisure |
| [10:34:28] | Solv: | EXACTLY |
| [10:34:41] | Solv: | no more being dictated WHEN to watch what you want to watch |
| [10:34:56] | Solv: | and no more sitting in front of ads you don't want to watch |
| [10:35:03] | justinh: | just get a nice big HDD, sit down in front of the guide & program finder a couple of times a week – record everything you could conceivably interested in & get on with your life rather than sit on front of the gogglebox frustratedly surfing to find something that might hold your attention for ten minutes at a time :P |
| [10:35:37] | gbee: | no more rushing home to see program X at 7pm, or having to rush to the toilet in the ad breaks |
| [10:35:40] | justinh: | mythtv is not a TV viewing app as such |
| [10:36:01] | Solv: | yeah i need to save up and buy a second tuner and a big arse hdd....always seem to find other things to spend my money on...DOh |
| [10:36:41] | Solv: | gbee...well....you don't have to rush in the ad breaks while still watching livetv...just press pause |
| [10:36:43] | gbee: | if you are bored and just want to watch something then you've got a bunch of stuff recorded so you don't have to mindlessly flip through livetv for an hour |
| [10:37:15] | justinh: | if channel changing times are a genuine concern, I'd probably say don't bother with mythtv. if changing the way you watch TV & getting shows into your life (as opposed to organising your life around TV schedules) use mythtv :) |
| [10:37:32] | Solv: | Cutter, you've gone silent....have we convinced with our rhetoric? |
| [10:37:40] | gbee: | Solv: undermine the point ;) |
| [10:37:40] | Cutter: | no |
| [10:38:00] | Solv: | gbee...woops |
| [10:38:01] | Cutter: | I still see mythtv as a general purpose program, not only a VCR |
| [10:38:08] | justinh: | it's not a VCR |
| [10:38:13] | justinh: | it's a P V R |
| [10:38:13] | gbee: | meh, you'll realise it for yourself at some point – everyone does |
| [10:38:31] | Cutter: | anyway is it possible to disable buffering? |
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| [10:38:36] | justinh: | nope |
| [10:38:38] | Solv: | Cutter its a media centre really....music, vids, pics, streams and tv |
| [10:38:44] | ** gbee records everything he wants to watch, even if he doesn't then watch it ** | |
| [10:39:03] | Cutter: | I dont care about buffer underruns |
| [10:39:07] | Solv: | Cutter, tell me why you can't wait 3 seconds to change a channel... |
| [10:39:18] | Cutter: | my signal is strong |
| [10:39:23] | Solv: | Cutter, well you don't know what they are if you don't care |
| [10:39:28] | justinh: | leave channel surfing to the goldfish |
| [10:39:35] | Solv: | got nothing to with signal |
| [10:39:56] | Cutter: | Solv: when I know what channel I want to swith to, 3 seconds is nothing |
| [10:40:14] | Cutter: | but when I'm channel surfing, multiply 3 seconds * 10 channels |
| [10:40:24] | Solv: | Cutter, well it tells you before you switch |
| [10:40:24] | Cutter: | it becomes annoying |
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| [10:40:49] | gbee: | Cutter: knowing which channel you want is why the guide or browse banner are there, you can see exactly what is on each channel before switching – no flipping required |
| [10:41:23] | gbee: | however I've had this debate enough times to know that you can't convince people before hand, they learn it for themselves |
| [10:41:24] | Cutter: | sometimes the program description isn't enough |
| [10:41:51] | Cutter: | or it is wrong |
| [10:42:16] | justinh: | sooner or later everybody realises. you will be assimilated :P |
| [10:42:26] | gbee: | all that needs to be said is this – you can't disable the recording of livetv, that's the way a PVR works, it's not going to change |
| [10:42:53] | gbee: | right now you're a slave to the TV, MythTV will eventually set you free |
| [10:43:36] | Cutter: | so the buffering thing is to avoid buffer-underrun when recording Live TV? |
| [10:43:41] | justinh: | no |
| [10:43:59] | justinh: | it's to allow the functions which make mythtv a PVR |
| [10:44:11] | justinh: | as opposed to just some DUMB TV viewing app |
| [10:44:18] | Cutter: | like what? |
| [10:44:27] | justinh: | like being able to pause livetv |
| [10:44:38] | Cutter: | yeah that's what I mean |
| [10:45:06] | gbee: | no, it's simply the recording part – not sure who said it was buffering, that's a misnomer – the delay on top of what an application like kaffeine does is because LiveTV is being recorded to allow features like rewinding, one touch record of a whole program (from the moment you started watching) etc |
| [10:47:01] | gbee: | MythTV doesn't stream the data from the card straight to the decoder for playback, like simple TV viewing apps, it's written to the HDD first and read back – that adds a second or two |
| [10:47:39] | justinh: | anyway in my experience from testing tuners using 'livetv' ( which is about all I ever use 'livetv' for) – channel change times can vary. some people report around 2–3 secs. I've personally seen it take much longer. but that doesn't bother me because I don't use mythtv that way |
| [10:47:41] | gbee: | digital tuning is slower than analogue to start with and that account for a couple of seconds |
| [10:48:24] | Cutter: | wow |
| [10:48:41] | gbee: | overall system speed and differences in video codec/quality accounts for the variations |
| [10:49:13] | justinh: | if all I wanted to do was graze channels & flip all night I'd switch to AV2 on my TV & use the cable box |
| [10:49:22] | gbee: | you can make it a touch faster, there is an option in mythtv-setup which you might have missed to enable fast(er) tuning |
| [10:50:06] | Cutter: | but I still don't understand why the DISPLAY has to come after RECORDING in the streamline |
| [10:50:31] | justinh: | that's the way it works and is not up for debate unless you want to fork mythtv yourself – which you're welcome to do |
| [10:50:53] | justinh: | this argument is as old as mythtv itself |
| [10:51:13] | GreyFoxx: | cutter: myth is network based, the tuner is not always on the same machine as the "player" |
| [10:51:20] | GreyFoxx: | so your tuners cxan be in the basement |
| [10:51:25] | GreyFoxx: | but your player in the bedroom |
| [10:51:35] | GreyFoxx: | watching "livetv" |
| [10:52:23] | Cutter: | indeed, then you need buffering |
| [10:52:41] | GreyFoxx: | mythbackend handles all interaction with the tuner, the FE does all playback |
| [10:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | be it on the same machine or seperate |
| [10:52:55] | ** gbee goes back to working on the tree widget ** | |
| [10:52:56] | GreyFoxx: | the FE does not have direct physical access to the tuner |
| [10:53:43] | Cutter: | but if I dont fear buffer underruns, can I disable buffering, or lower the delay? |
| [10:53:45] | GreyFoxx: | and with no recording (which isn't and optioin in this setup anyway) you couldn't rewind livetv |
| [10:53:49] | justinh: | Cutter: no |
| [10:53:55] | justinh: | the delay you get is the delay you get |
| [10:54:00] | GreyFoxx: | cutter: You could profile your machine and see where the delay is |
| [10:54:23] | GreyFoxx: | some people have 1 second channel changes, some 8 seconds |
| [10:54:41] | Cutter: | GreyFoxx: what do you mea profile my machine? |
| [10:54:42] | Sulx: | my box has about 2 secs |
| [10:54:57] | Cutter: | Sulx: with digital TV? |
| [10:55:06] | Cutter: | *mean |
| [10:55:07] | GreyFoxx: | cutter: If you don't know what it means you likely wont be abnle to do it |
| [10:55:15] | Sulx: | tweaking mysql halved delays |
| [10:55:20] | Sulx: | Cutter: yup |
| [10:55:22] | GreyFoxx: | but basically, "time" the code to find out where all the delays are |
| [10:55:24] | Sulx: | dvb-c |
| [10:55:43] | Cutter: | ok |
| [10:56:13] | justinh: | part of the delay is in the tuner getting a lock. that's usually pretty fast. another part of the delay is while mythtv waits for valid data from the tuner. this can vary. when that happens, myth starts a new file. then there's a slight delay in myth starting playback which can vary greatly depending on a lot of factors |
| [10:56:41] | GreyFoxx: | my settop box takes 1 second to change channels to channel on a seperate mux |
| [10:56:42] | Sulx: | Cutter: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Optimizing_Performance |
| [10:56:43] | Sulx: | try those |
| [10:56:45] | justinh: | by all accounts, 3 seconds isn't bad |
| [10:56:47] | GreyFoxx: | my mythbox takes about the same |
| [10:57:14] | justinh: | when I ran my pvr150 on my backend, livetv was anything up to 10 seconds behind realtime |
| [10:57:32] | Cutter: | GreyFoxx: that's with DVB too? |
| [10:57:37] | GreyFoxx: | yup |
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| [10:58:09] | GreyFoxx: | my firewire tuner is about 3 seconds because of the changing channels overfirewire speed |
| [10:58:10] | Cutter: | ok that's pretty fast |
| [10:58:19] | GreyFoxx: | but my dvb source and my pvr250'sd are about 1 second |
| [10:58:22] | GreyFoxx: | accross the network |
| [10:58:40] | GreyFoxx: | I should say, they are to my main frontend |
| [10:58:48] | GreyFoxx: | to my slower onces it's a few seconds |
| [10:59:11] | justinh: | since I disabled the processing of ATSC & CC fonts my frontend is much faster to start playback :) |
| [10:59:15] | GreyFoxx: | but to be honest, I don't really use livetv except for "tests" after major updates |
| [11:00:07] | justinh: | gbee: you know all these NIT changes in the UK – has there been any need to rescan? My recordings after the update all seem to be taking place as usual but I'm a little worried ;) |
| [11:01:34] | gbee: | justinh: no need, the nit chages was just that they split the table over multiple nits – the structure could only hold a max number of channels, the actual data and channel information hasn't changed |
| [11:01:50] | justinh: | ahh ok |
| [11:02:06] | gbee: | myth can handle a split nit table, some old STBs weren't DVB compliant and couldn't |
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| [11:02:10] | Cutter: | so the FE always reads data from a file, even when I'm watching LiveTV? |
| [11:02:10] | justinh: | although a rejiggle might be necessary now because of 4music or whatever it is |
| [11:02:25] | justinh: | Cutter: yes. always. no way around that without changing the way it works |
| [11:02:26] | Cutter: | from the HDD that is |
| [11:02:56] | gbee: | Cutter: have you enabled "Use Quick Tuning" in the video inputs? |
| [11:03:02] | Cutter: | I see more clearly now |
| [11:03:42] | Cutter: | gbee: I haven't a mythtv installation |
| [11:03:48] | gbee: | ahh, ok |
| [11:03:53] | Cutter: | I just wanted to know how it works |
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| [12:19:13] | mattwj2002: | hi everyone |
| [12:19:15] | mattwj2002: | :) |
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| [12:20:14] | mattwj2002: | anyone know anything about Dish Network? |
| [12:25:35] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure if I have a visuable area for the 129 W satellite |
| [12:26:01] | mattwj2002: | I am not sure if I need to pick up that satellite or not |
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| [12:56:15] | Guest40072: | does anyone else here have a 4250hdc cable box? |
| [12:58:08] | porcodildo: | hi |
| [12:58:16] | porcodildo: | I'm trying to compile mythtv |
| [12:58:25] | porcodildo: | I get this: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-August/231660.html |
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| [13:02:24] | justinh: | oh right. if in the 1st 30 minutes the mailing list doesn't answer... |
| [13:02:55] | porcodildo: | -.- |
| [13:03:39] | justinh: | oo trying to build mythtv for directfb.. blech |
| [13:04:33] | porcodildo: | who? |
| [13:05:05] | justinh: | I was guessing that you're trying to build mythtv so it will work without Xorg |
| [13:05:35] | porcodildo: | mm no |
| [13:05:53] | porcodildo: | ./configure --prefix=/usr --cpu=${ARCH} --enable-mmx --enable-audio-oss \ |
| [13:05:53] | porcodildo: | --enable-audio-alsa --enable-dvb --enable-lirc --enable-joystick-menu \ |
| [13:05:53] | porcodildo: | --disable-firewire --enable-v4l --enable-ivtv --enable-dvb \ |
| [13:05:53] | porcodildo: | --dvb-path=/usr/include/linux/dvb --enable-xvmc --disable-ffmpeg \ |
| [13:05:53] | porcodildo: | --enable-xvmc-pro --enable-xvmc-vld --enable-opengl-vsync \ |
| [13:05:54] | porcodildo: | --disable-audio-jack --disable-audio-arts |
| [13:05:57] | porcodildo: | this is my configure |
| [13:05:57] | justinh: | do you have the xorg development libs/headers installed? |
| [13:06:22] | porcodildo: | mmm why is there --disable-ffmpeg? |
| [13:06:22] | porcodildo: | mmm |
| [13:06:43] | porcodildo: | nope |
| [13:07:01] | justinh: | porcodildo: AFAIK you need those installed |
| [13:07:40] | porcodildo: | k |
| [13:08:35] | justinh: | some (enlightened) distros have the option of installing most if not all the build dependencies of certain things such as mythtv & its plugins |
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| [13:10:56] | justinh: | otherwise, it's up to users to figure out what those dependencies are, either by reading the source or by trial & error ;) |
| [13:11:01] | clever: | debian/ubuntu i beleive can do that some |
| [13:11:18] | justinh: | or by following a howto guide for their own distro if one exists |
| [13:11:26] | clever: | 'apt-get build-dev mythtv' would get what the mythtv source package depends on |
| [13:11:33] | clever: | which would be 99% of what trunk wants |
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| [13:19:45] | babyhuey: | hey everyone, i have a mythtv setup with a backend running in a bedroom and i want it to stream my movies over my network to a front end connected to my tv. I installed the mythtv-video plugin, but it appears that the only way it works is to make a samba share and just have the front end do all the processing. Is there a way to make the backend do the processing and send it to the frontend? |
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| [13:20:33] | justinh: | babyhuey: nope. but samba << NFS :D |
| [13:21:01] | justinh: | export your videos using NFS, then mount the share to the same path on all frontends |
| [13:21:07] | babyhuey: | yea, well, the front end is an old laptop, so its not powerful and it makes the video jittery |
| [13:21:22] | justinh: | e.g. /myth/video on the backend then mount that as /myth/video on the remote frontend(s) |
| [13:21:45] | justinh: | babyhuey: that'd be frameserving, which needs an even faster machine, faster network. and is unpossible with mythtv |
| [13:21:55] | justinh: | if the machine isn't fast enough to play the video, tough luck |
| [13:22:16] | nordle: | hello, is it possible to get the stdout from mythtv to go somewhere? What I mean by that, I use custom rc.d script when run level 4 is initialised to set the path, display etc and run startx. So when I dicide to exist out of mythtv and go init 3, I get to see all the lovely mythtv messages which have been busy logging. Such as cant load XV video out, switching to opengl and cant open deinterlace filter etc etc. I'd lik |
| [13:22:16] | nordle: | e to read all of them if possible in a text file... thanks. |
| [13:22:38] | nordle: | exist=exit |
| [13:23:02] | justinh: | yeah just redirect the log output |
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| [13:23:47] | justinh: | mythfrontend -v $some-level-of-verbosity -l $logfile |
| [13:24:04] | nordle: | justinh: The only log file that I know of is the mythbackend log.......oh, ok, nice one, thanks. |
| [13:24:05] | justinh: | same goes for mythbackend |
| [13:24:21] | justinh: | --help is indeed a useful commandline option |
| [13:25:13] | nordle: | it is, but i didnt realise mythfrontend had any switches.....been a while since i looked into it as its just worked for 2 years. |
| [13:25:20] | nordle: | I should have checked. |
| [13:26:07] | justinh: | realistically it's hidden away though since running the commands without any args just takes them straight down to business |
| [13:26:41] | justinh: | note: on some distros the mythfrontend & possibly other commands are hidden away – mythfrontend-real on ubuntu for example |
| [13:27:03] | clever: | they did that with ldconfig also:P |
| [13:27:37] | justinh: | anyway. time to take the dog somewhere for a nice long walk |
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| [13:28:12] | nordle: | justinh: your only saying that coz you know when i do get access to the log, ill ask a billion questions :) |
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| [13:38:42] | plb: | Can anyone recommend a good tuner for a laptop? |
| [13:38:51] | plb: | but not too pricey |
| [13:39:30] | plb: | just something well supported |
| [13:40:02] | plb: | and support for digital coming to the states soon preferred |
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| [13:48:28] | nordle: | basic tasks annoying. I can do mplayer --help > /tmp/mpplayer_help.txt to store the help output. Why cant i do the same with mythfrontend --help > /tmp/mythhelp.txt |
| [13:48:52] | nordle: | The help is not re-directed it still goes to screen and the txt file is empty. |
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| [14:00:26] | jams: | nordle try &>filename |
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| [14:07:27] | brewmaster: | anyone have any idea of the best way for me to increase the performance on my mythtv box for ota-dtv? Here are my machine's specs: http://pastebin.ca/1184265 |
| [14:07:48] | brewmaster: | my cpu usage when watching an HD channel is ~100% |
| [14:07:55] | brewmaster: | this is with xmvc enabled |
| [14:08:16] | brewmaster: | i'm thinking of getting an allendale dual core 2.2 ghz... |
| [14:08:26] | brewmaster: | because the output gets choppy at times... |
| [14:09:04] | brewmaster: | this is with 60% signal strength btw, though when it's higher it still gets choppy, so i don't think that that's the problem |
| [14:09:34] | brewmaster: | basically, i can't decide what the main bottleneck in my setup is |
| [14:09:46] | brewmaster: | mobo, video card, or cpu |
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| [14:13:53] | jduggan: | brewmaster: bottlneck is cpu |
| [14:14:02] | jduggan: | as quite a few ppl say here |
| [14:14:05] | jduggan: | MOAR MHZ |
| [14:14:21] | Dibblah: | brewmaster: It all depends what you're watching. |
| [14:14:27] | jduggan: | linux cant offload h264 to graphics card so it's done in hardware |
| [14:14:31] | Dibblah: | HD MPEG2 is _cheap_. |
| [14:14:34] | jduggan: | er, software |
| [14:14:42] | Dibblah: | HD H.264 is very very uncheap. |
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| [14:15:01] | jduggan: | p4's are generally a joke |
| [14:15:13] | jduggan: | get a semi cheap c2d or amd dualcore |
| [14:15:19] | jduggan: | more than adequate |
| [14:15:49] | brewmaster: | jduggan, do you think this will do the trick: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116063 |
| [14:16:03] | troldrik: | Get a e5200 |
| [14:16:14] | troldrik: | Penryn gen cpu. |
| [14:16:19] | Dibblah: | Get a T5400. |
| [14:16:35] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [14:16:46] | jduggan: | brewmaster: should cope fine, but in general, more mhz the better, get as fast as you can afford |
| [14:16:50] | troldrik: | Still not on neweggs. :/ |
| [14:17:00] | troldrik: | Hurry up intel |
| [14:18:16] | brewmaster: | anyone from canada? i think CBC uses h.264 when they broadcast in hd... |
| [14:20:30] | gbee: | get a X2 4400 – save yourself $30+ |
| [14:20:36] | gbee: | well someone had to say it |
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| [14:21:06] | troldrik: | @_@ |
| [14:21:12] | troldrik: | Amd is slow and hot. |
| [14:21:52] | gbee: | not hot at all and for the purpose you don't need super fast |
| [14:22:03] | brewmaster: | i need 775 socket... |
| [14:22:08] | gbee: | AMD Athlon 64 X2 5000 – $66 |
| [14:22:33] | troldrik: | brewmaster: You need a new mb. |
| [14:22:40] | brewmaster: | hrm... |
| [14:22:45] | troldrik: | lga775 != lga775 |
| [14:22:46] | troldrik: | http://support.asus.com/cpusupport/cpusupport . . . model=P5P800 |
| [14:23:04] | troldrik: | It doesn't have the vrms for Core2duo based cpus. |
| [14:23:57] | gbee: | for $30 less you get a faster AMD, but lets say they are equivalent, with the same TDP ... no contest IMHO |
| [14:24:31] | brewmaster: | dammit |
| [14:24:47] | brewmaster: | i knew i shouldn't have cheaped out on my mobo 3 years ago... |
| [14:25:12] | troldrik: | 1) with shit chipsets. 2) penryn based cpus are way cooler than their tdps suggest. |
| [14:26:43] | brewmaster: | if i get an AMD, does that mean i have to reinstall mythbuntu in 64-bit? |
| [14:26:51] | ReikoShea: | no |
| [14:27:07] | ReikoShea: | youll probably need to reinstall because of the new chipset though |
| [14:27:26] | troldrik: | What? |
| [14:27:36] | ReikoShea: | its a pain to change chipsets and get it to work without reinstalling, but it can be done |
| [14:27:41] | troldrik: | Uh. |
| [14:27:48] | ReikoShea: | different chipsets require different kernel modules |
| [14:27:50] | ReikoShea: | its true |
| [14:28:07] | troldrik: | Which are autoloaded on boot.. |
| [14:28:43] | ReikoShea: | swap mobos and tell me what happens on your machine |
| [14:28:50] | troldrik: | It boots? |
| [14:28:52] | ReikoShea: | it SOMETIMES works |
| [14:29:04] | gbee: | matter of opinion :) and the 65w Brisbane runs cooler than any CPU I've owned in the last 7/8 years, that's just with a basic heatsink |
| [14:29:06] | ReikoShea: | but very rarely...especially if its a different manufacturer |
| [14:29:20] | troldrik: | Unless your initrd is made by spatstic monkeys. |
| [14:29:40] | gbee: | ReikoShea: depends on the distro, some are just rubbish ;) |
| [14:29:54] | ReikoShea: | it also depends on the kernel |
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| [14:30:08] | ReikoShea: | non-modular kernels tend to crap the bed when you change hardware |
| [14:30:09] | gregL: | i just went from AMD 64 to a intel 64 with no problems..Mine boots just fine..ubunto as a distro... |
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| [14:30:28] | anykey_: | ReikoShea: non-modular kernels are not the standard for _distributions_, maybe for gentoo ;) |
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| [14:31:01] | troldrik: | ReikoShea: Gosh... your tailored monolithic kernel doesn't work on different hardware? I'm shocked. |
| [14:31:15] | ReikoShea: | which machine runs faster? |
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| [14:31:33] | troldrik: | ... you're a gentoolist aren't you? |
| [14:31:45] | gbee: | ReikoShea: in real world terms, outside the confines of a benchmarking application – neither |
| [14:31:50] | jackson__: | Good morning folks |
| [14:31:56] | ReikoShea: | actually im a debian proponent...and yes i know debian kernel are modular otb |
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| [14:32:18] | jackson__: | Any tips to easily automating transcoding mythtv recordings to h264? |
| [14:32:58] | gbee: | if you're the kind of person that thinks 100ms here and 1 fps there makes the world of difference to your experience, then go with the hell that is gentoo but otherwise ... |
| [14:33:37] | ReikoShea: | lol, my customers seem to like the fact that i can server 160 requests a second with an average page load under 2 seconds |
| [14:33:42] | plb: | Does anyone use the wintv hvr 950? |
| [14:33:43] | ReikoShea: | but thats not myth related |
| [14:33:45] | ReikoShea: | so ill drop it |
| [14:33:54] | clever: | i compile most of my video apps from source but the core libs for the distro are still pre packaged |
| [14:33:57] | plb: | I'm looking to purchase a usb tuner for my laptop and wondering how it works |
| [14:34:19] | ReikoShea: | jackson__: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
| [14:34:38] | gbee: | most good distros supply a range of pre-packaged, tailored kernels each suited for different archs, different goals (laptop vs desktop) and different performance (multimedia vs server) |
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| [14:35:24] | jackson__: | ReikoShea, I'm wanting to transcode mythtv recordings (mpeg2) to half resolution 512Kb/s h264 |
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| [14:35:32] | ReikoShea: | gbee: Im not disagreeing, but im a tweeker....i dont generally use everything that i get out of those kernels...so its more efficient to use my own |
| [14:35:41] | clever: | gbee: yeah i have a -generic and a -386 for every kernel version |
| [14:35:46] | clever: | the 386 is non smp based |
| [14:36:33] | clever: | and the one time i built a kernel from source for ubuntu(using the prepackaged source) i broke the nvidia drivers:P |
| [14:36:57] | ReikoShea: | jackson__: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31269 |
| [14:38:18] | jackson__: | ReikoShea, Thanks, reading it now. |
| [14:39:18] | jackson__: | the problem that I was having with mencoder, was programs with multiple audio tracks – some of my h264 rips end up with the Spanish audio :( |
| [14:39:42] | ReikoShea: | ahh |
| [14:40:24] | clever: | yeeah mencoder doesnt have much multitrack output |
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| [14:41:01] | clever: | and it uses ffmpeg internaly, so you could try just using that |
| [14:42:06] | plb: | Can someone help me out...the wintv hvr 950 is supposed to be supported under linux and I want to purchase it but which one? http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/104-5596 . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
| [14:42:13] | plb: | there are a couple to choose from |
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| [14:42:59] | ReikoShea: | you can also use transcode (which can use ffmpeg for the transcode process) |
| [14:43:13] | ReikoShea: | if you dont like the command line stuff, you can use gtranscode to make it easier |
| [14:43:29] | jackson__: | I didn't think transcode would spit out h264 (only linke xvid etc) |
| [14:43:31] | ReikoShea: | itll give you a command at the bottom when you get the transcode process right |
| [14:43:42] | ReikoShea: | i cant check since im at work |
| [14:43:51] | ReikoShea: | i tend to transcode to xvid and thats what i use |
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| [14:44:35] | jackson__: | I really dig how low of a bit rate I can go with h264 and still have it 'watchable' |
| [14:44:47] | clever: | only 1–2 of my systems can handle 264 of any high quality |
| [14:45:07] | ReikoShea: | transcode says it does h264 |
| [14:45:14] | ReikoShea: | transcode -y ffmpeg -F list |
| [14:45:29] | jackson__: | clever, understood, but I'm encoding to 272x240 at 512Kb/s (which streams well from home :) |
| [14:46:00] | clever: | the lower end systems can handle the 640x480 264 stuff but i rarely find 264 in such a low res |
| [14:46:00] | clever: | nice |
| [14:46:08] | clever: | i can bearly upload 50kbyte/sec from my conn |
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| [14:47:35] | ReikoShea: | unfortunately im not seeing any flags for transcode to pick an audio stream either |
| [14:48:07] | jackson__: | funny thing is, when I use vlc to transcode and stream using h264, it picks the desired (english) audio track. |
| [14:49:00] | jackson__: | just that it's pretty cpu intensive – I'm wanting to pre-transcode to h264, that way the only concerns when it comes to the 'viewing' is bandwidth. |
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| [15:40:09] | surgex: | hello |
| [15:43:20] | iamlindoro: | What are you wearing? |
| [15:43:53] | wagnerrp: | a/s/l? |
| [15:44:32] | iamlindoro: | 14/f/ca |
| [15:44:41] | wagnerrp: | hawt |
| [15:46:07] | moodboom: | hey all, anyone else seeing svn mythmusic CPU usage climb through the roof over time? on an older P4. i'm not set up to debug yet... |
| [15:46:38] | wagnerrp: | were you the one in here a few days ago who had mythmusic open for several days? |
| [15:46:43] | moodboom: | yeah... |
| [15:46:58] | moodboom: | climbing a couple percentage per song |
| [15:47:21] | iamlindoro: | so in the several days you could have done something about debugging it, you did nothing and instead came back in to ask the same question again? |
| [15:47:26] | wagnerrp: | well thats disappointing... two people would have meant there definitely was a problem |
| [15:47:31] | moodboom: | yeah, being lazy, sorry |
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| [15:48:27] | wagnerrp: | well ive seen memory leaks before, but not processor leaks |
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| [15:50:39] | moodboom: | well i'll shut up then until i can set up debugging :> |
| [15:51:05] | wagnerrp: | svn... was that trunk or fixes? |
| [15:51:19] | moodboom: | trunk |
| [15:51:54] | tank-man: | infinite lopp = processor leak :) |
| [15:52:14] | tank-man: | loop |
| [15:52:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but an infinite loop is stuck in a loop, it doesnt allow the program to otherwise function properly |
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| [15:53:13] | wagnerrp: | unless it forks off another process to play the mp3, and that process hangs when complete, rather than properly dieing like a good process |
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| [16:09:40] | gbee: | even so that process wouldn't be doing anything so ... |
| [16:14:19] | gbee: | moodboom: knowing what file formats you are using, whether it's a mix, whether it happens when they are allowed to complete naturally or when jumping through tracks would be useful – but open a ticket once you have all that info |
| [16:15:21] | moodboom: | gbee ok |
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| [17:03:46] | justinh: | well, finally played with video profiles some more |
| [17:04:08] | justinh: | using opengl for video, opengl for the osd & using greedy 2x for deinterlacing |
| [17:04:15] | laga: | oh |
| [17:04:17] | laga: | all worky? |
| [17:04:37] | justinh: | apparently so |
| [17:04:55] | justinh: | didn't need to be using yadif – eating cpu for no apparent difference |
| [17:05:04] | iamlindoro: | You have a 100 Hz monitor, huh? |
| [17:05:29] | justinh: | no, 50Hz :P |
| [17:05:50] | justinh: | 50 fields per sec. PAL is 25 _frames_ per sec |
| [17:05:50] | iamlindoro: | Thought you needed a monitor capable of 2x refresh to be able to use the 2x's |
| [17:06:00] | iamlindoro: | Or maybe that's just some of 'em, never mind me |
| [17:07:30] | justinh: | hell has frozen over |
| [17:07:41] | justinh: | no, it really has. I'm sold on the gl painter |
| [17:07:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh, for a few days until you see the few things that will annoy the heck out of you |
| [17:08:00] | laga: | justinh: danielk believes a 50i display has a refresh rate of 25Hz, which is why he won't apply that patch which enables the 2x deinterlacers for interlaced displays |
| [17:08:24] | justinh: | laga: oh |
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| [17:08:31] | justinh: | pal is 50Hz |
| [17:08:31] | laga: | (which just multiplies the internal value with 2 so it bypasses the check) |
| [17:08:33] | iamlindoro: | like the mouse cursor showing up when you play video |
| [17:08:41] | laga: | justinh: do you run an interlaced modeline? |
| [17:08:46] | justinh: | nope |
| [17:08:53] | justinh: | you can't on intel |
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| [17:09:31] | laga: | if you wanna read more on that patch, search for "viktor's deinterlacing patch" or something like that |
| [17:09:39] | justinh: | I think I'm gonna edit my theme to have seconds on the time |
| [17:09:53] | ** laga goes back to merging h264.c ** | |
| [17:09:54] | justinh: | laga: no matter anyway. looks great here :) |
| [17:09:58] | laga: | :) |
| [17:10:03] | justinh: | but thanks! |
| [17:10:14] | iamlindoro: | Also some fun-kay things happen when you alt-tab in and out of myth sometimes |
| [17:10:22] | iamlindoro: | w/ the GL painter, that is |
| [17:10:29] | iamlindoro: | like the background turning all black |
| [17:10:37] | justinh: | and er... the qt & gl painter should not look different but there's something different here |
| [17:10:48] | justinh: | it does actually look a little sharper |
| [17:10:51] | laga: | i fixed a friend's setup today. mythtv segfaults a lot less if you do *not* use ati's proprietary libGL.so with the free driver. before hadn't been able to use mythtv on his desktop box for monthhs |
| [17:11:02] | laga: | justinh: yeah, text seems a bit nicer |
| [17:11:18] | justinh: | I even like the fade now |
| [17:11:42] | justinh: | it takes an almost imperceptible time compared to any system I've tried it on in the past |
| [17:12:00] | justinh: | like the althon 2000xp with nvidia fx5200 |
| [17:12:49] | justinh: | nah the gl vs qt painter difference is a placebo. I just ran the frontend with gl on top of the qt painter version. no difference |
| [17:12:56] | justinh: | psycho-mologicals! |
| [17:13:36] | justinh: | hrm. 896.578FPS using 'crappy' intel in glxgears |
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| [17:13:56] | justinh: | sure it was never that good even on my fx5200 |
| [17:14:00] | laga: | ;) |
| [17:14:18] | justinh: | and an even bigger shock is that opengl works on drivers I hacked myself so long ago I can't remember what I changed |
| [17:14:20] | laga: | i wonder if opengl vsync is un-broken on current radeon and intel drivers |
| [17:14:39] | justinh: | the occasional tearing I was seeing with xv seems to be no longer there |
| [17:15:13] | laga: | nice |
| [17:15:19] | justinh: | so much for 'crappy Intel graphics' then :D |
| [17:16:07] | justinh: | I should really set to & figure out how to get a better tvout from this chipset by fuddling the driver – something which'll involve video test equipment at work. |
| [17:16:43] | justinh: | ooo I should just be able to use my laptop for that now so I won't have to cart my frontend to work :D |
| [17:17:01] | justinh: | assuming I can make svideo-out work on the lappy of course |
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| [17:20:50] | laga: | hum |
| [17:21:04] | laga: | i wonder if you will get different results depending on which machine you use |
| [17:21:18] | laga: | justinh: SDVO tv-out has seen some improvement in recent intel drivers (2.4-ish) |
| [17:21:24] | laga: | on hardy, you have 2.2 |
| [17:22:38] | justinh: | arse. can't remember the syntax to get tvout working with xrandr |
| [17:22:46] | justinh: | time to look at the frontend scripts |
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| [17:44:03] | till: | hi |
| [17:44:24] | till: | hope someone can help me. i want to run mythfilldatabase automaticly every day |
| [17:44:49] | till: | but i cant read the info in the settings screen, what start and end means |
| [17:45:57] | iamlindoro: | Start and end are the hours in which you allow it to randomly run |
| [17:46:14] | iamlindoro: | since you probably don't want it starting while your wife is watcher her soaps |
| [17:46:37] | iamlindoro: | so, say, 2 to 5 in the morning would be decent times |
| [17:46:42] | ReikoShea: | crontab |
| [17:46:42] | till: | does the frontend stops playing? |
| [17:46:44] | ReikoShea: | ftw |
| [17:46:47] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:46:50] | iamlindoro: | do NOT use crontab |
| [17:47:01] | ReikoShea: | why not? |
| [17:47:07] | ReikoShea: | thats what i do |
| [17:47:12] | till: | i set up a crontab for the grabber script |
| [17:47:52] | iamlindoro: | using crontab stops the grabber from suggesting the next time and load balancing, placing more wear on the servers |
| [17:48:20] | till: | i have to use an external grabber to load the epg data |
| [17:48:25] | iamlindoro: | The devs have *specifically* requested that people not do so |
| [17:48:39] | till: | and import it with mythfilldatabase from the generated file |
| [17:48:44] | iamlindoro: | If you are using scraper/XML grabber that doesn't support it, that's one thing. If you are in the US you have no excuse |
| [17:48:49] | GreyFoxx: | if you use an xmltv grabber that is one thing. If you use Schedulesdirect let the system schedule it |
| [17:49:04] | iamlindoro: | heh, jinx |
| [17:49:22] | ReikoShea: | welp...i didnt read that far, and i havent paid for schedulesdirect yet |
| [17:49:40] | ReikoShea: | i know its cheap....just havent gotten around to it |
| [17:49:42] | till: | so there is no difference for me doing it in a cronjob or in mythtv? |
| [17:49:46] | iamlindoro: | Then perhaps you should avoid giving advice if you've got under a week of experience under your belt |
| [17:49:59] | ReikoShea: | more like 2 weeks |
| [17:50:01] | iamlindoro: | till: for you, no |
| [17:50:07] | till: | ok |
| [17:50:43] | till: | but i scheduled it between 2 and 5 |
| [17:50:51] | till: | hope this will work :) |
| [17:51:03] | till: | the grabberscript runs at 10:30 pm |
| [17:51:13] | iamlindoro: | till: yes, best to keep it in those hours-- it is extremely database itensive and can make other things behave poorly/not at all |
| [17:51:21] | iamlindoro: | er intensive |
| [17:51:39] | kormoc: | with Schedules direct, you really need to let myth do it, as schedules direct will send when the next window is for you to get data from, to prevent too many folks getting all the data at once (meaning the midnight flood), so it load balances as well as it can |
| [17:52:04] | till: | after some weeks doing it manually: mythfilldatabase is done after 2 minutes |
| [17:52:21] | till: | so no big deal, but safer this way ;) |
| [17:55:54] | till: | can one of you help me re-setup my lirc daemon? |
| [17:56:24] | till: | it ran smooth with ubuntu 7.10 but after the dist-upgrade everything is messed and it wont even start |
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| [18:01:39] | justinh: | till: it'll need to be reconfigured like when you first installed it |
| [18:02:42] | justinh: | well, can't get my laptop tv out working in linux. under windows, it's ace. even tried the bbc iPlayer & with the HQ version of the streams I can see what all the fuss is about now. looks minty on a 32" wide CRT. pity the aspect ratio is arse though |
| [18:03:10] | till: | justinh, i did this, but it wont start :/ |
| [18:03:33] | till: | if i run lircd with -n parameter it dies if i connect with irw |
| [18:03:38] | justinh: | till: well, try stopping the init script, then run lircd from a terminal |
| [18:03:48] | justinh: | probably a hardware.conf issue then |
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| [18:04:45] | surgex: | hi |
| [18:05:34] | iamlindoro: | what are you wearing? |
| [18:05:43] | webvictim: | :o |
| [18:05:57] | justinh: | not that being able to use iPlayer on a TV is a big deal. we already get very high quality iPlayer stuff from the cable on-demand service :D |
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| [18:06:13] | justinh: | 36/M/UK |
| [18:06:23] | surgex: | lol |
| [18:06:35] | surgex: | i do not have myth tv |
| [18:06:45] | justinh: | awww bless |
| [18:06:48] | surgex: | i am wondering something |
| [18:06:55] | justinh: | get mythtv now, only 0 dollar! |
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| [18:07:04] | surgex: | i have a slingbox right now, its okay but.. |
| [18:07:12] | surgex: | only one person can view the stream at once |
| [18:07:13] | iamlindoro: | You can has mythtv |
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| [18:07:22] | surgex: | with myth tv can you stream live tv t multiple users? |
| [18:07:29] | surgex: | s/t/to |
| [18:07:43] | justinh: | no mythtv cannot really do what the slingbox can do I'm afraid, although a limited web-streaming thing is available (kind of a beta thing really) |
| [18:07:51] | surgex: | ahhh |
| [18:07:52] | kormoc: | surgex, one per tuner or they can watch the time shifted stream |
| [18:08:11] | justinh: | mythtv is more a PVR than a placeshifter |
| [18:08:14] | surgex: | time shifted? by how much |
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| [18:08:22] | justinh: | and that's on a LAN, not teh interwebs |
| [18:08:24] | kormoc: | surgex, by as much as they want? |
| [18:08:41] | surgex: | so myth tv wouldn't be suitable for streaming live tv over the net to multiple users? |
| [18:08:44] | justinh: | surgex: mythtv is more about recording shows to watch later |
| [18:08:44] | kormoc: | justinh, depends on your bandwidth (me drools over his soon to be 20/20 connection) |
| [18:08:46] | justinh: | surgex: no |
| [18:08:49] | surgex: | i see |
| [18:08:51] | surgex: | thanks |
| [18:08:57] | surgex: | yeah i have 30/30 |
| [18:08:59] | surgex: | fios |
| [18:09:13] | surgex: | know of anything that will do that..? |
| [18:09:15] | kormoc: | 30/30 isn't available for fios according to verizon :/ |
| [18:09:22] | surgex: | yus it is :P |
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| [18:09:25] | kormoc: | 50/20 is the higest they list |
| [18:09:34] | surgex: | its different depending on your area |
| [18:09:46] | ReikoShea: | not anymore, kormoc....30/30 was definitely an initial offering |
| [18:09:55] | surgex: | western new york was one of the first areas to get fios |
| [18:10:03] | surgex: | ive had it for quite some time |
| [18:10:03] | ReikoShea: | i was doing fios support about 2 years ago |
| [18:10:04] | surgex: | anyways |
| [18:10:04] | kormoc: | what zip code? |
| [18:10:10] | till: | justinh, i've already tried to run lircd from console... nothing :/ |
| [18:10:18] | surgex: | is there anything that will stream live tv to multiple users? |
| [18:10:29] | kormoc: | surgex, multiple slingboxes? |
| [18:10:33] | surgex: | lol |
| [18:10:40] | surgex: | oh well |
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| [18:10:57] | surgex: | i dont think purchasing 20 slingboxes is practical |
| [18:11:14] | kormoc: | surgex, typically when you're doing that sorta of thing, it's bordering on the highly illegal |
| [18:11:15] | iamlindoro: | I don't think trying to start your own tiny cable co is legal, but what the hey |
| [18:11:15] | justinh: | I think VLC can but you won't have any control over the source unless you sort out some way to do that |
| [18:11:29] | till: | ok, now i'm getting pretty much pissed... again the recording stoped too early... either the epg data is bullshit or my mythtv :/ |
| [18:11:33] | justinh: | and as kormoc says it sounds legally dubious |
| [18:11:46] | ** iamlindoro tugs justinh's pant leg ** | |
| [18:11:49] | iamlindoro: | I said it too! |
| [18:12:03] | surgex: | having control over the source doesnt matter |
| [18:12:05] | justinh: | till: your VCR would if you only set it to the exact start & end times of shows :P |
| [18:12:08] | kormoc: | till, or you had another recording setup to start early or your computer time is different then the station's or a multitude of other things |
| [18:12:45] | surgex: | i guess i could use vlc.. |
| [18:12:46] | surgex: | hm |
| [18:12:47] | surgex: | :) |
| [18:13:11] | till: | justinh, oh my fault, i thought was epg is used to set the start and end time :D |
| [18:13:34] | till: | kormoc, no there was no other recording... it just stopped approx 10 minutes too early |
| [18:13:41] | GreyFoxx: | It assumes the shows actually start and end at those times |
| [18:13:44] | andycaz: | iamlindoro: been over 20h now, but my on-air-guide hasn't updated itself. |
| [18:13:54] | GreyFoxx: | and that your clock is synced with the channel |
| [18:14:01] | surgex: | mythtv looks interesting though |
| [18:14:04] | surgex: | can it record HD? |
| [18:14:05] | GreyFoxx: | for example we have a channel here that is 3 moinutes behind all of the rest |
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| [18:14:09] | justinh: | surgex: yes |
| [18:14:12] | GreyFoxx: | so my daughters shows often end |
| [18:14:12] | surgex: | sweet |
| [18:14:17] | kormoc: | I have a few channels +-6 minutes here |
| [18:14:21] | GreyFoxx: | "early" evne tho it's the channel that is late |
| [18:14:32] | GreyFoxx: | so I have paddiung built in to her recording rules |
| [18:14:34] | kormoc: | and one that's 15 minutes off at night |
| [18:14:51] | till: | is there a way to tell mythtv to record +-5 minutes on EVERY recording? |
| [18:14:55] | justinh: | if a major sport even overruns it's not unknown for UK TV shows to be 4 hours late |
| [18:15:00] | GreyFoxx: | till yes |
| [18:15:01] | justinh: | till: of course |
| [18:15:18] | till: | how? |
| [18:15:33] | justinh: | by changing settings to make it do that |
| [18:15:36] | justinh: | see if you can find it |
| [18:16:06] | GreyFoxx: | there are start early + end late options I don't remember exactly where |
| [18:16:07] | ** justinh mutters something about utils/setup > setup > tv > general ** | |
| [18:16:15] | GreyFoxx: | those are global and there are per recording ones as well |
| [18:16:57] | till: | i love you :D |
| [18:17:05] | justinh: | steady now |
| [18:17:14] | GreyFoxx: | apparently some countries are pretty bad for start/end times |
| [18:17:20] | GreyFoxx: | particularly austraila |
| [18:17:29] | GreyFoxx: | so a lot of people use those paddings there |
| [18:17:33] | justinh: | australian TV schedulers appear to be alcoholics |
| [18:17:45] | kormoc: | wouldn't you be? |
| [18:17:50] | justinh: | or at least the people operating the playout equipment ;) |
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| [18:18:16] | justinh: | BBC channels are normally bang on the dot |
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| [18:18:34] | justinh: | show start time == start of recording |
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| [18:18:49] | justinh: | start of recording == channel ident fades out into show intro :) |
| [18:19:10] | ReikoShea: | MOST cable channels in the states are that way |
| [18:19:16] | ReikoShea: | the local channels screw you all the time |
| [18:19:50] | ** sphery wonders how a cable co can broadcast a local channel on time if the local broadcaster doesn't ** | |
| [18:20:04] | ReikoShea: | as i said |
| [18:20:07] | ReikoShea: | the local channels suck |
| [18:20:27] | till: | the epg here in germany seems to be... uhm bad :D |
| [18:20:32] | justinh: | sphery: ending a spot a few seconds too early/late.. it all adds up |
| [18:20:33] | ReikoShea: | but stations like spike and sci-fi and TBS seem to broadcast perfectly on time |
| [18:20:42] | till: | my system time is set perfectly |
| [18:20:43] | andycaz: | i keep getting transcode errors, mythweb tells me exit status 255 |
| [18:20:53] | till: | but the ones of the tv stations aren't ;) |
| [18:20:58] | justinh: | oh you've not set up a transcoding profile andycaz |
| [18:21:02] | sphery: | (I also have no problems with local broadcast channels. They're dead on. Of course, I use ntp and Schedules Direct--which actually reports shows that end at 10:02pm or whatever) |
| [18:21:22] | andycaz: | justinh: oh, thanks |
| [18:21:38] | till: | someone of you is from germany? |
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| [18:22:08] | laga: | maybe |
| [18:22:48] | till: | :) |
| [18:23:08] | till: | just wanted to know i f others discover the same problems with the epg or if it is my setup... |
| [18:23:39] | laga: | no problems here, but i use tv_grab_eu_epgdata for most channels |
| [18:24:18] | justinh: | laga: how are they selling that to people – just on an individual basis? |
| [18:24:33] | Dagmar: | ReikoShea: Sci-Fi and Spike have a pretty hands-off configuration. Many other stations still have production managers who tell people in realtime to manually start and stop stuff. |
| [18:24:53] | laga: | justinh: yes |
| [18:25:14] | laga: | till: public tv stations like ARD and ZDF usually have good EPG |
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| [18:25:26] | ReikoShea: | Dagmar: I figured as much, i just notice that it is always perfect on those stations |
| [18:26:19] | till: | laga, i'm discovering the problems with recordings on the private stations like pro7 (i recorded "tom yum goong" there yesterday and it stops to early) |
| [18:27:21] | laga: | like, a few minutes too early? |
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| [18:27:37] | ** justinh has fond memories of watching 'Tutti Fruiti' :D ** | |
| [18:27:43] | justinh: | wtf was that game show all about? |
| [18:28:05] | till: | laga, yes |
| [18:28:30] | laga: | till: just add some pre- and postroll |
| [18:29:46] | till: | laga, if added 2 minutes pre and 5 minutes post... but good epg data would be nicer |
| [18:29:59] | justinh: | hahaha so that's what it was all about. Ahhh... "Two contestants play a guessing game and a woman strips. While this goes on a group of women called “Cin Cin Girls†dance in the background to popular hits of the day played by the live studio band" |
| [18:30:25] | justinh: | ahhh the halcyon days of uncrippled analogue satellite TV on Astra |
| [18:31:17] | ajh: | how much of the big-dish stuff is still available in North America these days? I'll finally have room for one :) |
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| [18:32:24] | ReikoShea: | people still have "big dishes" |
| [18:32:49] | PatrickDK: | I want a big or very big dish |
| [18:32:54] | PatrickDK: | not for tv usage though |
| [18:33:01] | ReikoShea: | DEATH RAY |
| [18:33:01] | ajh: | death ray? |
| [18:33:06] | ReikoShea: | woot |
| [18:33:06] | PatrickDK: | na |
| [18:33:07] | ReikoShea: | i win |
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| [18:33:34] | surgex: | lol |
| [18:33:40] | surgex: | whats the deal with those big ass dishes |
| [18:33:46] | ajh: | So my myth has stayed very stable with the to-blame dvb-s card removed. |
| [18:34:10] | PatrickDK: | want for site to site link :) |
| [18:34:12] | ajh: | I'm still very very annoyed with the fact that channel data isn't stored in the database and restored on a re-scan though |
| [18:34:13] | PatrickDK: | good gain |
| [18:34:35] | ajh: | Yeah, I'll probably be replacing the panel antennae they're using now with a grid for my ptp. |
| [18:35:30] | ajh: | The way channels work now, re-scanning for new/special channels wipes out any custom config. |
| [18:35:32] | ajh: | Stab. |
| [18:36:29] | gbee: | ajh: what sort of custom config? |
| [18:36:44] | ajh: | Names? Deleted channels vs New ones. |
| [18:37:04] | gbee: | names are kept, that's true |
| [18:37:05] | ajh: | Callsigns, Icons, finetune, brightness, contrast, etc |
| [18:37:19] | ajh: | Nope, when you delete your listing you lose all of that. |
| [18:37:48] | ajh: | The problem with the card was it wouldn't switch 18v, so when it scanned it would insert duplicate entries that were not valid. |
| [18:38:03] | gbee: | analogue? Don't know anything about the way analogue scanning is handled – with dvb we keep icons and several other things |
| [18:38:36] | ajh: | when you've got 3 cards, 3 Diseqc switches, 3 multiswitches, and two dual LNB, being able to debug anything is next to impossible. |
| [18:38:48] | ajh: | Even if you delete the channel then re-add it? |
| [18:39:06] | ajh: | The channum should be stored somewhere else so when things are re-scanned that data can be used. |
| [18:39:08] | gbee: | not if you delete the channel no, but then normally there is no good reason to do that |
| [18:39:20] | justinh: | nah. _this_ is a satellite dish: http://www.flickr.com/photos/28466032@N02/2657392557/ |
| [18:39:22] | ajh: | You'd think that, but all of my issues required delete-rescan to debug. |
| [18:39:40] | laga: | please ffmpeg, just build |
| [18:39:45] | ajh: | and when I delete a channel and rescan it comes back, putting some 200 unwanted channels in. |
| [18:39:49] | ajh: | not just 'new' ones. |
| [18:40:00] | gbee: | you can try speaking to danielk since he is working on improving scanning, but analogue is on it's way out and not many of the devs even have experience with that side of things anymore |
| [18:40:03] | laga: | gbee: would you like to try my h264 sync patch? ISTR you had issues with segfaults |
| [18:40:08] | ajh: | This is DVB-S. |
| [18:40:14] | PatrickDK: | justinh, still small :) |
| [18:40:16] | justinh: | laga: for trunkish? |
| [18:40:20] | laga: | -fixes. |
| [18:40:25] | justinh: | meh |
| [18:40:26] | gbee: | ajh: hmm, you mentioned finetune which is analogue only |
| [18:40:38] | ajh: | I just read from the channel editor. :) |
| [18:40:48] | laga: | janneg will be doing a full ffmpeg sync for trunk at some point in the future, there's no point in doing that myself |
| [18:41:05] | gbee: | heh, well start by not deleting unwanted channels – just mark them as invisible |
| [18:41:11] | till: | as far as i can see it the only way to get decent epg data is the tvm2xml script, laga? |
| [18:41:24] | ajh: | I don't recall what the issue was doing that but I ran into something. |
| [18:41:47] | justinh: | derrrrrrrrrrr! just realised that maybe my wireless SSID might be a dead giveaway if it ever appears on a wardriving map |
| [18:41:48] | PatrickDK: | justinh, I can't locate that one, I think it was ohio edu that has it |
| [18:42:04] | ajh: | I'll do that from now on though now that I have things switching properly and see if I run into whatever it was again. |
| [18:42:30] | gbee: | laga: I'd rather not mess with my production machine right now, sorry – I'll test full resync patches against trunk since I want to know if they've fixed some of the audio codec bugs so that I can make the switch in mythmusic |
| [18:42:48] | andycaz: | justinh: i got my guide working yesterday with all the colors for each different category. I found out there was a translate.php and just went on from there... |
| [18:43:00] | laga: | gbee: ok :) |
| [18:43:10] | ajh: | Is there work being done on a next-gen web UI too? What Zimbra manages to do with their webmail is astounding. |
| [18:43:16] | ajh: | Drag-n-drop and everything. |
| [18:44:28] | justinh: | whi? |
| [18:44:31] | justinh: | who? |
| [18:45:24] | justinh: | is there anybody queuing up to work on mythtv-related stuff? |
| [18:46:17] | ReikoShea: | lol...ajax libraries would be nice |
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| [18:46:22] | justinh: | why would you even want drag & drop in mythweb? |
| [18:46:23] | ReikoShea: | but its just one more thing |
| [18:46:35] | laga: | there is some ajax stuff |
| [18:46:37] | ajh: | Just using it as an example. |
| [18:47:20] | ReikoShea: | i just wish zimbra would put their project back to open source :( |
| [18:47:29] | ReikoShea: | it depressed me seein all the yahoo branding |
| [18:47:36] | ajh: | Well, some of it is. |
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| [18:47:55] | ReikoShea: | now changing the logo breaks the terms of service |
| [18:47:57] | ReikoShea: | and thats just silly |
| [18:48:03] | justinh: | smaller things get on goat these days. questions like "what new features are people working on? I read something on a bullshit hype website about something cool & I was wondering if I could use it. Like NOW" |
| [18:48:05] | ReikoShea: | and their support is...edgey |
| [18:48:12] | ajh: | The 01.com one I use doesn't have the logo. |
| [18:48:37] | ReikoShea: | thats cause its the enterprise version |
| [18:48:52] | justinh: | that wasn't directed to you btw ajh |
| [18:48:55] | ReikoShea: | free version requires you keep all branding and you cant change it |
| [18:49:22] | ReikoShea: | zimbra used to be fully customizable in its free version |
| [18:49:26] | ReikoShea: | and they just sold you support |
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| [19:06:12] | the_alien: | hi all |
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| [19:37:46] | evilt0ne: | hello |
| [19:37:57] | evilt0ne: | i got this problem http://rafb.net/p/9FN0mm72.html could someone help me? |
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| [19:41:20] | forrestv: | how do you get automatic metadata for dvd rips? |
| [19:41:34] | justinh: | evilt0ne: looks more like an issue for #linuxtv |
| [19:42:10] | justinh: | forrestv: go into video manager. select the file, press INFO (generally the I key) and select 'search IMDB' |
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| [19:44:55] | evilt0ne: | thx justinh |
| [19:45:35] | evilt0ne: | i got this problem http://rafb.net/p/9FN0mm72.html could someone help me? |
| [19:45:59] | evilt0ne: | sorry for pating this...:) |
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| [19:50:53] | gbee: | in 0.22 you'll be able to access the search from any video screen, browser, gallery, tree etc |
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| [19:51:09] | daum: | hey guys |
| [19:51:18] | daum: | i keep getting when i try to watch tv thef ollowing : Did you load the ivtv-fb Linux kernel module? |
| [19:51:30] | daum: | is it because that module got renamed to ivtvfb no -? |
| [19:51:37] | laga: | darn, i just deleted the wrong recording. ;/ |
| [19:51:46] | gbee: | laga: :( |
| [19:52:14] | gbee: | did that the other day, started to see the benefit of the 'wastebin' stuff that was added |
| [19:52:27] | laga: | is that in fixes? |
| [19:52:27] | Dagmar: | daum: Either you loaded the module or you didn't. |
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| [19:52:43] | gbee: | can't remember |
| [19:52:47] | ldiamondd: | Any1 know if MythTV support .m4v, .mp4 and .mkv? |
| [19:52:48] | laga: | sad. |
| [19:52:50] | Dagmar: | If it's carping like that, why don't you make sure you loaded the module that provides that functionality. |
| [19:53:00] | jams: | laga- yes it's there |
| [19:53:10] | laga: | jams: any idea how i can use it? |
| [19:53:20] | ldiamondd: | And does mythtv support .mp4/.m4v with AC3 sound? |
| [19:53:21] | jams: | change the group filter the "deleted" |
| [19:53:27] | daum: | Dagmar, in kernel 2.6.22+ it got renamed to ivtvfb instaed of ivtv-fb, ivtvfb is loaded |
| [19:53:34] | laga: | hum, i dont think i have that group |
| [19:53:44] | jams: | i wonder if you have to enable that option first |
| [19:54:08] | laga: | probably |
| [19:54:09] | gbee: | the feature isn't enabled by default I don't think |
| [19:54:46] | gbee: | and won't be enabled on existing installs updated to a newer version anyway |
| [19:54:49] | justinh: | it's not |
| [19:55:31] | jams: | no it isn't |
| [19:56:18] | jams: | laga it's under the general settings "auto expire instead of delete" |
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| [19:58:35] | Dagmar: | Evilpig: If they give you any shit, complain that their fiber isn't compatible with the new power over ethernet specs |
| [19:58:38] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
| [19:58:50] | laga: | ooh |
| [19:58:56] | forrestv: | justinh, my menu doesn't have that, just 'view cast' and 'watch' |
| [19:58:58] | laga: | looks like my updated h264.c works |
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| [20:02:37] | justinh: | forrestv: video manager |
| [20:02:45] | justinh: | as in the _video_ _manager_ |
| [20:05:37] | forrestv: | justinh, oh, sorry... i though i was because i changed the layout recently |
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| [20:13:09] | AndyCap: | Hmm, anyone here seen a sata port multiplier that looks more like an "in-line" device instead of something you mount in a special chassis? |
| [20:13:52] | justinh: | AndyCap: nope |
| [20:14:02] | AndyCap: | that is something that looks like this http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/7141/satalt1.jpg instead of http://www.addonics.com/products/host_control . . . ayout_sm.jpg |
| [20:14:28] | justinh: | we have some boards at work :P |
| [20:14:41] | justinh: | you can buy the boards separately |
| [20:15:39] | AndyCap: | still, some angled connectors, a bit of plastic, how hard can it be. Or are the only people in the world who sell this online dodgy disk storage vendors. :) |
| [20:15:54] | high-rez: | I'm reading that there's a conspiracy that as soon as sw-cw3k's are made to work on other platforms they pull them from the sales channels... Anyone believe this? |
| [20:16:04] | ** high-rez doesnt' believe this could be true ** | |
| [20:16:35] | AndyCap: | high-rez: what are they? |
| [20:16:51] | Dagmar: | high-res: Sounds like retardation to me |
| [20:17:04] | Dagmar: | Pull something from the market when people figure out how to deploy it? Not likely |
| [20:17:31] | high-rez: | Well I could see how it would piss of the manufacturer since they want to sell the more expensive model. |
| [20:17:55] | high-rez: | But I don't see how the reseller (who doesn't even sell SW-1's) would want to do this. |
| [20:18:48] | justinh: | AndyCap: PMs need power too |
| [20:19:28] | AndyCap: | justinh: in the spirit of the times they could use a sata power connector |
| [20:20:28] | gbee: | high-rez: like AndyCap asked, what are they? I can't seem to find anything useful searching google for sw-cw3k |
| [20:20:41] | high-rez: | skywalker cw3k |
| [20:20:57] | high-rez: | e.g. the skywalker-1 for the cw3k (but half the price of the sw-1) |
| [20:22:41] | Dagmar: | That's still not saying much |
| [20:22:58] | AndyCap: | http://www.captiveworks.org/ ? |
| [20:24:02] | high-rez: | Yeah, it's just a usb dvb-s capture device. |
| [20:24:22] | andycaz: | I cant seem to get on air guide to work, it hasn't updated it for about 23 hours now.. VLC can see the eit immediately when i tune in to that channel |
| [20:25:08] | gbee: | http://captiveworks.org/screenshots.php < Hmm, familiar :) |
| [20:25:50] | high-rez: | yeah, that box, from what I can tell, is just a linux pc with vdr |
| [20:26:32] | daum: | anyone able to help me out with http://rafb.net/p/tnLHBL87.html, i googled it and found some people having same problem but none seemt o have posted the solution |
| [20:27:01] | Dubstar_04: | dead link |
| [20:27:05] | troldrik: | Do you have a pvr350 card? |
| [20:27:30] | troldrik: | Because I suspect you have pvr350 playback enabled. |
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| [20:30:36] | daum: | troldrik, i do |
| [20:31:19] | troldrik: | Okay, so the next question is... is ivtv-fb loaded? :p |
| [20:31:38] | daum: | troldrik, yes, well ivtvfb not ivtv-fb(that is an old version of the module since 2.6.22 its been ivtvfb |
| [20:31:38] | daum: | ) |
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| [20:32:49] | troldrik: | Ah at the end of my expertise then. I haven't used the pvr350 output since I got a tv with hdmi. |
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| [20:39:04] | Dagmar: | pvr350 == obsolete |
| [20:47:07] | psipsi: | Any hdpvr users here? |
| [20:47:25] | Dagmar: | It's not ready for users yet |
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| [20:48:24] | psipsi: | Dagmar: Humm... I'm not really a developer and I'm using it. How about "testers" then? |
| [20:48:54] | wagnerrp: | basically, its not ready for people who cannot troubleshoot on their own |
| [20:49:12] | sid3windr: | oh, users. ;) |
| [20:50:00] | Dagmar: | ...which is what I said. |
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| [20:52:15] | wagnerrp: | i just know how to better describe my own kind (those who only know enough to cause trouble) |
| [20:53:19] | psipsi: | How about... those who know just enough to annoy the developers. ;) |
| [20:54:11] | AndyCap: | and soon I found out, It can get you into trouble, but it can't get you out. |
| [20:54:48] | psipsi: | But seriously, testers are pretty important to ensure quality code. The trick is finding the ones who are helpful and minimally annoying. |
| [20:55:16] | Dagmar: | It's so hard to find ones that listen, too. |
| [20:55:17] | kormoc: | the users are the testers! |
| [20:55:54] | psipsi: | Dagmar: developers or testers? Or maybe both. |
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| [21:05:53] | daum: | Dagmar, pvr350 is obsolete? |
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| [21:06:56] | wagnerrp: | ask a question... leave... |
| [21:07:23] | RungeKutta: | hey we can't all have interesting hobbies |
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| [21:12:14] | wagnerrp: | daum: the PVR-350 may have been worthwhile several years ago |
| [21:12:31] | wagnerrp: | but these days, your average low end machine has no trouble decoding mpeg2 |
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| [21:13:07] | wagnerrp: | on the opposite side, the 350 only supports MPEG2, it only support SD analog output, the framebuffer is funky |
| [21:13:14] | wagnerrp: | its just not really worth the effort |
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| [21:18:43] | daum: | wagnerrp, heh but its the card i own=p |
| [21:19:08] | wagnerrp: | so just use it as a tuner card, and dont bother trying to get the video output working |
| [21:19:15] | wagnerrp: | use a standard video card for output |
| [21:19:35] | daum: | wagnerrp, well right now i use it to go to my tv, my standard card is running my monitor |
| [21:19:47] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a dual-head video card? |
| [21:19:49] | daum: | (i'm running on a machine probably about....6–7 years old |
| [21:20:17] | wagnerrp: | oh, well then the mpeg2 decoder may be worthwhile |
| [21:20:23] | daum: | it looks like it has dvi out my video card hwever last tiem i attempted to get it to do dual monitor action at all all i could get is clone and stretch to work |
| [21:20:37] | wagnerrp: | what is the card? |
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| [21:24:03] | daum: | ati pci express x800se |
| [21:24:44] | wagnerrp: | well if you have a PCIe machine, its not 6+ years old, and it should have plenty of power for dealing with mpeg2 on the CPU |
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| [21:25:22] | wagnerrp: | now, getting the fglrx drivers installed and working in a dual-head configuration may be as difficult as getting a PVR350 video output working |
| [21:27:47] | gbee: | not really |
| [21:28:19] | daum: | of course i also need to then buy a converter for dvi to svideo or composite |
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| [21:40:12] | forrestv: | anyone interested in a na xmltv grabber using titantv? |
| [21:41:02] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [21:41:05] | kormoc: | forrestv, not really, might just want to submit it to the xmltv mailing list |
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| [21:51:56] | wagnerrp: | daum: that card has an svideo out |
| [21:52:40] | daum: | wagnerrp, i know but i can't get the ivtvfb to load with mythtv for 2.6.22+ |
| [21:52:42] | wagnerrp: | nearly every video card made in the last 8 years has had some sort of analog TV out |
| [21:52:55] | wagnerrp: | i mean the x800 |
| [21:53:11] | daum: | wagnerrp, right you are |
| [21:53:20] | daum: | i'm an idiot, i'll have to look into setting it up |
| [21:53:24] | wagnerrp: | so no need for a DVI scan converter |
| [21:53:51] | troldrik: | pvr350 has better quality though. |
| [21:54:31] | justinh: | pvr350 output quality _used_ to be streets ahead of VGA card TV outputs. not any more |
| [21:56:58] | daum: | ... i just want an output that works=) |
| [21:57:22] | justinh: | which means !pvr350 :) |
| [21:57:34] | kormoc: | troldrik, I had a flash back to 2002 when you said that, woah |
| [21:57:53] | cesman: | install KnoppMyth and answer yes to using 350 TV out ;) |
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| [21:58:41] | justinh: | well enough icon mangling for one day. bedtime |
| [21:58:50] | daum: | ugh well when i get back i'll have to battle to get my x800 to output over svideo |
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| [22:01:10] | the_alien_: | another question... is there a way to avoid the OSD being scaled when i watch a 16:9 movie on my 4:3 display? i can ahrdly read it then |
| [22:01:12] | the_alien_: | hardly |
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| [22:02:04] | the_alien_: | oh und is there a way to alway set the video scanning to progressive? |
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| [22:03:58] | wagnerrp: | if youre tv is 4:3, it is probably interlaced |
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| [22:04:08] | wagnerrp: | you cant to deinterlace all your video, and then reinterlace it? |
| [22:04:18] | wagnerrp: | s/cant/want/ |
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| [22:07:31] | Guest36573: | hi |
| [22:07:39] | Guest36573: | can ytou help me with lirc? |
| [22:09:16] | stoth_ is now known as stoth | |
| [22:10:47] | Guest36573: | thanks |
| [22:10:50] | Guest36573: | :) |
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| [22:11:23] | xand: | no |
| [22:11:34] | wagnerrp: | patient that one was |
| [22:11:51] | the_alien_: | wagnerrp, i'm watchinig on a normal 19" lcd monitor |
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| [22:12:53] | wagnerrp: | ah, well theres probably something you can do with the playback modes |
| [22:13:00] | the_alien_: | the video and the osd is jittering |
| [22:13:18] | gbee: | turn off bob deinterlacing |
| [22:13:36] | the_alien_: | ware we talking about the scanning or the osd? |
| [22:13:42] | the_alien_: | -w |
| [22:13:51] | gbee: | and try the opengl video renderer (experimental) if you want to avoid the OSD scaling |
| [22:14:43] | the_alien_: | were can i change the video renderer? never saw this setting |
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| [22:26:06] | Egghead2: | anyone know how to keep changes made to the fstab file after reboot, when running myth diskless (pxe boot) |
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| [22:26:52] | wagnerrp: | keep the changes? |
| [22:27:10] | Dagmar: | whaaa? |
| [22:27:14] | wagnerrp: | the changes should be stored in the file on the nfs server |
| [22:27:21] | Dagmar: | The fstab file doesn't get any automated changes |
| [22:27:49] | wagnerrp: | you mean youre mounting something, and expect fstab to get automatically updated with what you do manually? |
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| [22:29:43] | Dagmar: | I love how noobs ask deranged questions and then don't follow up. |
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| [22:57:09] | thatdood: | quick question, is there a log file for mythfilldatabase? |
| [22:59:56] | high-rez: | Yes, <STDOUT> |
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| [23:00:52] | kormoc: | and <STDERR> |
| [23:01:25] | high-rez: | :) |
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| [23:03:42] | thatdood: | so, are you saying there's only the terminal output? |
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| [23:10:39] | wagnerrp: | that depends entirely on your command line flags |
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| [23:12:26] | clever: | moar --help ! |
| [23:13:31] | mofu: | Anyone have issues running Mythtv-Setup over a Remote SSH X Session, (using Apple X11 from my Mac) |
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| [23:14:38] | wagnerrp: | mofu: do any ssh-forwarded applications work? |
| [23:15:05] | clever: | i tend to use xlsclients to check the connection and see which host im forwarding to |
| [23:15:33] | mofu: | wagnerrp: mythtv-setup starts, scaling images . . . . but hangs before the menu screen |
| [23:15:53] | clever: | any program fed thru ssh -X or -Y will lag horidly |
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| [23:16:13] | clever: | give it another 10mins, and if you alt+tab out you just make it take longer |
| [23:16:17] | wagnerrp: | thats not true |
| [23:16:37] | clever: | i find that when i alt+tab back, it has to redraw it over the network |
| [23:16:58] | wagnerrp: | it does, but it should take less than a second |
| [23:17:16] | mofu: | I'll try alt+tab |
| [23:17:40] | wagnerrp: | using the geometry flag, like '--geometry 640x480', helps speed things up considerably |
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| [23:17:51] | clever: | but it all adds up and you may assume its still lagging and go back to waiting |
| [23:17:56] | wagnerrp: | also, your theme cache may be hosed up |
| [23:18:01] | wagnerrp: | so you can try deleting that |
| [23:18:20] | wagnerrp: | just delete the entire contents of ~/.mythtv/themecache/ |
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| [23:22:03] | clever: | crap |
| [23:22:08] | clever: | compiz is screwed up |
| [23:22:13] | clever: | cant fully focus on xterm windows |
| [23:22:41] | clever: | fixed somehow |
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| [23:43:25] | cafuego: | Yay, xc3028 isn't broken anymore! |
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