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Saturday, August 23rd, 2008, 00:06 UTC

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iamlindoro:

oh, now some cock chnged the keys for functions in the GIMP from the obvious photoshop ones just to be petulant

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Dagmar:

Probably to stop Photoshop users from automatically reporting buttons that didn't copy Photoshop behaviours as a bug

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Dagmar:

I swear that's the number one problem I see coming from PS users

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Dagmar:

"But when I push X it doesn't do Y" "That's because it's GIMP, NOT PHOTOSHOP"

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Dagmar:

Mainly I think theyr'e jsut idiots tho

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Dagmar:

I use Gimp fine, and I don't get nearly as confused using PS as those users do when they try to use Gimp

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LanUser:

Was it a mistake to get a Geforce 8 card since they don't support XvMC?

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cesman:

depends on your CPU

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cesman:

at the moment, XvMC onlt helps to accelerate MPEG2

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LanUser:

ATSC is MPEG2 video, or?

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cesman:

yes

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LanUser:

My CPU is an Intel Quad Core Q9300

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cesman:

should be more power than you need ;)

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LanUser:

does myth take advantage of multi cores? Like if one CPU is maxed out does it start to use a 2nd?

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LanUser:

I only buy a computer once ever six years so I like to try and future proof myself, as if that were possible

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cesman:

I'd think a Q9300 is very future proof

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LanUser:

I hope so, I still don't quite understand why it's only 2500Mhz where cheaper CPUs run faster

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cesman:

at the moment, I believe multi-core support is very limited (but will be improved upon)

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Dagmar:

Well, we get all the magic benfits of Unix

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Dagmar:

...to which, processes might not run on both cores at once, but they'll more or less alternate between cores by default

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weevilofdoom:

the linux kernel will automatically prioritize threads across multiple cores

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weevilofdoom:

linux has supported SMP for years and years and years

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weevilofdoom:

LanUser, different architecture from older CPU – even though it's 2500MHz, it is optimized so to speak in layman's terms

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LanUser:

weevilofdoom: thanks

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mzb_d800:

is there a way of importing video files without using the GUI?

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mzb_d800:

(aka: Video Manager)

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GreyFoxx:

no

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GreyFoxx:

well, maybe with mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

but no commandline way

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cesman:

if you use browse mode, it will see the movies

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cesman:

however if you want meta-data, poster you need to run the video manager

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, unless you are adding meta data you don't need to import anything

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mzb_d800:

I'm in the process of writing a small script for a user job. The idea is that I have a recording (music video) with a cutlist that is mythtranscoded with --mpeg2 and put into the MusicVideos dir

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mzb_d800:

as I don't *really* need the metadata that should be ok

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mzb_d800:

as I've got a dummy playlist which is executed by a custom command (which then fills the playlist in random order x5)

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mzb_d800:

ie: shuffled music videos

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mzb_d800:

it would be nice to get metadata ... just not essential

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mzb_d800:

fyi: the playlist is shown at parental level 1, and the music videos themselves at level 2

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mzb_d800:

bit crude, but works reasonably well (in lieu of better alternative;)

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mzb_d800:

what I've been doing for the last few months is recording large sections of music (overnight) and then when I get time I was editing it, cutting it up, naming, etc ... very time consuming

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mzb_d800:

however, it turns out that this particular station publishes a playlist, so my current technique involves guesswork (to about the nearest 15mins), 20min recordings using manual in mythweb

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mzb_d800:

only problem I've had so far is that manual recording in mythweb doesn't allow me to change the subtitle

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mzb_d800:

(bug?)

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fryfrog:

feature

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mzb_d800:

heh ;)

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mzb_d800:

dm ... it'll all come out in the wash ... depends how clever I make the script, I guess

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LanUser:

Does the built-in DVD player still have a few issues to work out? I just tried to play "Employee of the Month" from a DVD backup folder and the whole frontend crashed.

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forrestv:

is there a way to change the deinterlacing?

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iamlindoro:

yup

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iamlindoro:

It's in an area dealing with the TV Settings (Hint: This is called TV Settings), in a menu item about Playback (Hint: This is called Playback Settings). I see how you would have missed it.

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abarber:

iamlindoro: i'm having trouble setting up my IR blaster

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abarber:

myth is picking up the channel changing

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abarber:

but that's not being carried over to the STB

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iamlindoro:

does your channel change script work from the command line?

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abarber:

one sec

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abarber:

how do i use it in the command line?

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iamlindoro:

There are many channel change scripts, you would knpow better than I what you wrote/installed

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iamlindoro:

Most often, ./somescriptname somechannelnumber

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abarber:

got it

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clever:

ugh, cpufreq crashed again

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clever:

stuck with a 600mhz

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iamlindoro:

given what I know about most of your equipment, that must be highly overclocked

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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clever:

i never overclocked it

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clever:

it normaly UNDERclocks itself

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** iamlindoro runs around clever and catches the joke that just sailed over his head **

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clever:

its currently stuck underclocked:P

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iamlindoro:

Damn you Aspergers, you ruin all the best jokes

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clever:

:P

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clever:

the bugger also makes you laught at non funny things

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iamlindoro:

Like the way Australians pronounce Aluminum?

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abarber:

how do they say it?

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clever:

i talk to alot of ausyes online but only in text, so i dont know how they speak

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iamlindoro:

al-oo-min-ee-um

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ajh:

Don't make fun of people with speech impedements.

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ajh:

or brits, ah-luu-min-ee-yum

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forrestv:

iamlindoro, there are no deinterlacing options there

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abarber:

iamlindoro: it says command not found

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clever:

wait, im 1.6ghz now, wtf

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iamlindoro:

forrestv, ohhhhhh yes there are

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clever:

when did it fix itself

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iamlindoro:

forrestv, playback, page three, edit a recording profile, second page

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cesman:

abarber: what command did you run?

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ajh:

better to just pre-deinterlace

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abarber:

nevermind, forgot an extension

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abarber:

.pl

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abarber:

okay

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abarber:

it says it sent the signals

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abarber:

i did a test channel

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abarber:

and it says it sent the digits

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iamlindoro:

well *did* it?

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iamlindoro:

look at your STB

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abarber:

nope

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abarber:

i have STB hooked up to TV and HTPC

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abarber:

and both are stuck on same channel

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iamlindoro:

then your problem is with that script-- In general, I think a long-ass perl script channel changer is silly when a channel change script for most people can be five lines and work great.

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clever:

my channel changer is overly complicated, ssh, 2 computers, webcam and lirc, bash

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iamlindoro:

yes. That *is* overly complicated. Step two is solving that problem.

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clever:

the end result is the cable box changing channel, a desktop beeping and yelling 'goto channel 45' and a webcam snaping a pic of the STB to confirm the channel

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abarber:

iamlindoro: it actually says "unknown command" when the script is run

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clever:

half that was to save me time when i was changing channels manualy for the broken lirc

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iamlindoro:

abarber, the "alternative channel change script" on this page is far simpler and the better choice: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Exte . . . nnel_Changer

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clever:

but i might keep the webcam part to confirm that its all working

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clever:

maybe add OCR and retry

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iamlindoro:

abarber, paste that script into a file, edit the REMOTE NAME variable to be a name of the sending remote from your lircd.conf, chmod +x it to make it executable, done

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iamlindoro:

ie change "dish" to "iamlindoro_is_a_stud" like you have in your lircd.conf as a remote name

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iamlindoro:

I know, I know, "but iamlindoro, that's the name of MY remote!" It's cool.

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abarber:

lol

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abarber:

okay

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abarber:

i do happen to have dish

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iamlindoro:

and do you happen to have the dish remote *defined* in your lircd.conf? as no channel change script will ever work without that.

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abarber:

i don't think so

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iamlindoro:

Well get cracking

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iamlindoro:

lircd.conf is more than just for the IR signals your mythbox receives, it's also for the ones it sends

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abarber:

i think that might be managed by mythbuntu

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abarber:

maybe that's where i select USB transmitter(dish)

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iamlindoro:

not unless you're using the USB cable to change dish channels, as opposed to IR

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abarber:

well, it's a USB IR transmitter/blaster

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clever:

my ubuntu scripts tryed to config lircd at one point, it added a few include files pointing to remote def's

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iamlindoro:

then you don't wnat the option you mentioned above

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clever:

and in the process, trashed the existing and working configs:P

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iamlindoro:

the USB transmitter option is for actual USB control of the dish boxes

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abarber:

i'm not sure which transmitter to select then

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ajh:

I can't understand why we're not all using bluetooth yet.

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iamlindoro:

if you're going to do things the "mythbuntu way" you should seek help for them in #ubuntu-mythtv. The old fashioned ways work just fine in mythbuntu, however, just no gui shortcuts

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ajh:

and don't say cost. :)

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abarber:

i know...but that channel is worse

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iamlindoro:

abarber, it would probably be best to seek help for this in #ubuntu-mythtv if you want to do it through the gui

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iamlindoro:

otherwise, we can help you with the (some would say "correct") old fashioned way

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clever:

ajh: if you had bluetooth in the STB and NORMAL REMOTE, then it would probly be trivial to emulate the signals from a bt usb stick

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clever:

and there would be no more pointing the remote to make it work

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ajh:

clever, yes clearly.

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abarber:

i wanted to go that route...i gave mythbuntu a try because of the trouble i was having with it

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iamlindoro:

the "transmitter" selection in mythbuntu is there to select which driver for the actual lirc hardware in loads-- the keycodes are seperate from that

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ajh:

The UHF remotes are great.

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clever:

ajh: but that doesnt sound like a standard you can interface the pc with using off the shelf hardware

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ajh:

keep in mind the tv industry thought i2c was a 'good thing'

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clever:

lol

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clever:

isnt that a wired protocol:P

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ajh:

Calling it a protocol is very very kind.

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clever:

ive still got a pair of VCR's that have wired remotes, thru a headphone like plug

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clever:

but that was pre i2c age:P

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ajh:

I'd love having a wired remote.

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clever:

ajh: my mythtv basicaly has a wired 'remote', its a mini keyboard on 5 feet of keyboard extensions

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ajh:

Yeah, one of my new frontends will be out in the 'workshop' on a 12' screen so having something with long range would be nice.

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ajh:

If someone would just clone the pronto onto the iphone it'd be fine.

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clever:

i simply took a new->old keyboard adapter, then chained a few old keyboard extensions

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ajh:

I don't know if you've looked at the 'myth' remotes on the iphone yet, but they're hideous.

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clever:

followed by a old->new so i could put a new keyboard on the end

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clever:

i tried to make a bluetooth myth remote on my treo, just interfacing the bluetooth serial to the telnet remote

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clever:

but the bluetooth serial code on the palm side wont compile using onboard c(a compiler that runs in the phone itself)

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ajh:

Yeah, there are a pile of old palms out there now.

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clever:

it has practicaly zero concept of #include files, so i have to manualy type every struct in ahead of time

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ajh:

but the ipod touch platform is so much better.

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clever:

and i dont have keys for {} or ; which makes c a pain

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ajh:

We just need to get opie on it, then do a nice qt based remote.

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clever:

i got a treo 650 'for free' (dads old work phone, replaced by the 700p)

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clever:

and i allready have opie!

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clever:

but the rebuilt kernel doesnt match the modules, so none of the drivers work

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clever:

no bluetooth, audio is weird

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clever:

sleep/standby causes it to go into a coma

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clever:

while eating 5 times the normal batery power

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ajh:

Actually the Openmoko might make a good remote.

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fryfrog:

All of a sudden my BE isn't making preview .png files via mythweb, does http://pastebin.com/m12d01030 <-- that error mean anything to anyone?

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ajh:

fry, are you running a sc?

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clever:

ajh: the bigest problem with opie(and friends) is that half the phone stuff doesnt work, so i have to fully reboot anytime i want to use it

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ajh:

That happens when sc fails, it still writes 0 byte recordings even though the backend got 'encrypted', it is a bug.

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ajh:

One that really should get fixed.

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** iamlindoro knows that channel... Discovery HD :) **

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ajh:

If a recording ends up 0 bytes after completion it should get culled.

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fryfrog:

bah, of course as soon as i paste it... it works :p

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clever:

i need to look into getting an hd firewire tuner

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fryfrog:

ajh: what is an sc?

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ajh:

fry, if you don't know it isn't relevant.

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GreyFoxx:

softcam, he's decryupting his signal

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iamlindoro:

ajh, and YOU shouldn't be mentioning it

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fryfrog:

oh, nah this is firewire from a STB

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iamlindoro:

But he's not, that's a cable lineup

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iamlindoro:

And it's Discovery HD :)

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fryfrog:

sounds like the problem though, since i probably hit 5C

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iamlindoro:

yes, it's likely a 0 byte recording, but more likely the STB wasn't primed, 750 is NEVER 5C from my headend

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iamlindoro:

and you're not *that* far

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: i have fucked up weirdness

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fryfrog:

almost nothing is 5c'd when i freshly cycle the box

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ajh:

Yeah, I really wish it wouldn't leave the 0 byte entries in ther.

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fryfrog:

but once it has been up for a few days, *nothing* will record

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ajh:

I can't wait for 1212 support so I can just use my STB.

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iamlindoro:

Then it's way more likely that it's bad interaction w/ your firewire chipset

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fryfrog:

i've done that 5c scan on the wiki and it ends up reporting different channels as 5c'd every time

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iamlindoro:

stop calling it a 1212, just call it the HD-PVR

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ajh:

Isn't it the hd-pvr-1212?

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iamlindoro:

it's *part number* 1212, the actual designation is just HD-PVR

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: what firewire chipset you use?

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ajh:

easier to type. :)

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fryfrog:

i think i have a pci via i could use, but built in is...

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, TI

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ajh:

but the whole variable encoding rate is such a nice idea.

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fryfrog:

01:0a.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB82AA2 IEEE-1394b Link Layer Controller (rev 01)

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fryfrog:

which I believe to be reasonable

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ajh:

Will myth support setting that on a per-show basis when support is done?

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iamlindoro:

ajh, it's also an ancient idea and has been on hardware encoders since the dawn of time

[02:49:45]

ajh:

Good, no experience with them at all yet.

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iamlindoro:

ajh, hd HD-PVR recording profiles allow bitrate settings per-resolution, and you can create all the recording profiles you like, and apply them to any rule you like.

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iamlindoro:

er the HD-PRV

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ajh:

excellent.

[02:50:09]

iamlindoro:

HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

that is

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ajh:

Cause I really don't need BBC World at 12mbit. :)

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iamlindoro:

you would just set the "low resolution" slider on the rule you use to a bitrate you want, if it's 480i/p

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fryfrog:

when hd-pvr support is good, i'll buy a pair

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fryfrog:

how are they doing?

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iamlindoro:

very, very well

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ajh:

Good, not having to transcode would be very very nice.

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fryfrog:

with trunk or -fixes?

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iamlindoro:

The boxes work pretty reliably, and the linux driver already has support for the upcoming AC3 firmware (probably due next week)

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, trunk, where it is likely to remain

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fryfrog:

neat

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: you running trunk?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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fryfrog:

know if there are any firewire improvements in trunk vs. -fixes?

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iamlindoro:

There are none/next to none

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fryfrog:

ah

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iamlindoro:

Your problem is almost definitively NOT myth

[02:52:55]

iamlindoro:

and almost certainly not 5C

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fryfrog:

yeah, i think it is probably the STBs

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iamlindoro:

doubtful

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fryfrog:

I've tried them on two different motherboards with 2 different firewire chipsets

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fryfrog:

and they work *great* for a number of days on a fresh reboot of them

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fryfrog:

then they just... drop off or something

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iamlindoro:

STBs don't just arbitrarily start turning on 5C

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fryfrog:

it isn't 5c

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fryfrog:

they just stop working

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iamlindoro:

exactly-- it's lost priming

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iamlindoro:

how often are you priming them?

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iamlindoro:

and have you arranged to re-prime at *least* after every backend restart, either in your init script or manually?

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fryfrog:

shucks, my prime was commented out but...

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iamlindoro:

or, alternately, get the firewire_primer.pl script in trunk's contrib and cron that to 5 and 35 after the hour

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fryfrog:

normally firewire_primer.pl runs every 15min

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fryfrog:

that'd explain why so many failed in the last few days, it is normally about a 50/50 ratior or so, this time it was 100% failure during the last 2–3 days

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fryfrog:

is trunk version diff from -fixes?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

Something to keep in mind about the HD-PVr, btw, is that it will NOT allow you to losslessly remove commercials and no work has been started to do so, so for me that is a dealbreaker for now

[02:57:47]

iamlindoro:

As I like to remove commercials/archive to MythVideo

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ajh:

I just do that by hand.

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fryfrog:

ah, i don't remove commercials or archive anything so that wouldn't bother me

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iamlindoro:

ajh, like I said, not possible to do losslessly, I didn't say automatic versus by hand

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ajh:

A little bit of a pain but only a minute or so per show.

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: did you say you have an hd-pvr? or just following it closely?

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iamlindoro:

ajh, I didn't *say* automatically

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ajh:

You're saying you can't splice h.264?

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iamlindoro:

ajh, I'm saying you can't do it in linux, correct.

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ajh:

ah, ok I'm not using linux.

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ajh:

not for video editing at least.

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iamlindoro:

and even in windows the tools won't work right with the HD-PVR

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ajh:

Well, what does work right in windows.

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ajh:

I think they've just given up.

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iamlindoro:

so the point is, regardless of operating system, it either doesn't exist, or will cost you 20–30 minutes per hour of show to do the cutting

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ajh:

I'll have to try one when this batch ends and see.

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, yes, I have one, had one of the first few units to go out, have been involved in the linux effort in at least a testing/documentation capacity since the first days

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fryfrog:

cool :)

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fryfrog:

so i imagine support for the hd-pvr, when it is solid, will just be included in 0.22? Or do you think it will get back ported into -fixes?

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iamlindoro:

I doubt, at this point, given the extensive nature of the changes, that it will find its way to .21-fixes

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fryfrog:

ah

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iamlindoro:

that's just my personal feeling. Especially since much of the forthcoming improvement will require the next ffmpeg sync

[03:03:05]

fryfrog:

well, i can wait for 0.22 to buy a hd-pvr, maybe the price will come down some by then too. I would certainly be happy to not have any 0 byte recordings :p

[03:03:28]

fryfrog:

iamlindoro: yeah, and it makes sense. -fixes is for "fixes" and the hd-pvr is a *huge* new feature.

[03:03:46]

iamlindoro:

yup

[03:03:50]

iamlindoro:

exactly right

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iamlindoro:

at the very least it'd need to be a point release as database schema changes are involved

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fryfrog:

at every major release i swear off of trunk and say i'll stick with fixes until the next version...

[03:04:36]

fryfrog:

then something awesome goes into trunk and i'm like "aww, fuck it" :p

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iamlindoro:

.22 will be a huge release

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fryfrog:

ginormous!

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iamlindoro:

HD-Pvr, MythUI, QT4, enabling HD recording of whatever you like and themes full of bling

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iamlindoro:

as well as support for HD audio formats coming in the next ffmpeg sync

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fryfrog:

nice

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Steven_M:

hi all

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fryfrog:

i wonder if they'll ever just say "okay, now we can put a 1. in front of the release version" :)

[03:06:42]

fryfrog:

hey, it is already a little cheaper at newegg!

[03:06:46]

fryfrog:

$220 instead of $250

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, What would it matter if they did? The point isn't to call it some arbitrary version number

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iamlindoro:

1.0 isn't some line in the sand, and will likely NEVER be reached

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fryfrog:

well, 0.x strongly implies alpha or beta

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iamlindoro:

not in linux it doesn't

[03:07:47]

iamlindoro:

many/most linux projects reckon versions in the < 1.0 numbering scheme

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iamlindoro:

with releases starting at .1 and serialized thereafter

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fryfrog:

i'm not saying it is universal... but there are a lot of projects that use 0.x until they are "happy" with their product and then go 1.x

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iamlindoro:

That is the *minority* in linux, not the majority

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fryfrog:

only example i can think of is wine, which just recently went 1.x after (10 years?) of 0.x

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fryfrog:

course, maybe they got up to 0.99? :p

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iamlindoro:

versus the THOUSANDS of projects that aren't aspiring to 1.0 because they relize it means nothing

[03:09:51]

iamlindoro:

after .99 comes .100

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iamlindoro:

and .101

[03:09:59]

iamlindoro:

etc.

[03:10:34]

iamlindoro:

so anyway, again, there is no desire, reason, plan, or goal to ever call Myth "1.0" and you are unlikely ever to see it before the sun is a cold, lifeless speck

[03:11:18]

fryfrog:

oh well, i don't give a shit either way

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Steven_M:

mythfiledatabase, mythtv-setup and mythfrontend are having trouble connecting to my backend, even though it's running on localhost with default ports

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fryfrog:

Steven_M: does this "trouble" include an error message?

[03:12:30]

Steven_M:

to paraphrase: could not connect to master backend — Are you sure it's runnung?

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iamlindoro:

That's a gui error message, check the *terminal* output

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fryfrog:

and does "pgrep -l mythbackend" show it to be running?

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fryfrog:

yar, and that too

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Steven_M:

terminal shows timeout — pgrep shows backend IS up

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Steven_M:

@ fryfrog

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fryfrog:

try "mythfrontend -v important" or "-v most" and see if you can get some more detailed messages, perhaps post that to pastebin.com

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my2keh:

how do I diagnose static in my setup?

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Steven_M:

fryfrog: http://pastebin.com/d44f5f784

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Steven_M:

fryfrog: any ideas

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pat_:

you're going to regret that

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Steven_M:

so can anyone deduce anything obvious from http://pastebin.com/d44f5f784?

[04:35:40]

iamlindoro:

in mythtv-setup, option 1, first page, what did you set as the backend IP address?

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Steven_M:

localhost (127.0.0.1)

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iamlindoro:

the IP or the hostname?

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Steven_M:

we've tried both

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iamlindoro:

one will never work (hostname)

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iamlindoro:

IP is the only acceptable one.

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iamlindoro:

so first off, make sure youset it back to that. Secondly, how did you install myth?

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Steven_M:

figured that, but never hurts to try

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iamlindoro:

source, packages, myth distro, etc?

[04:38:05]

iamlindoro:

oh, and just to be sure, we are talking a combined frontend and backend, right?

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Steven_M:

packages from debian-multimedia.org repos

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iamlindoro:

rather than two seperate machines?

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Steven_M:

yep

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iamlindoro:

ugh, fucking debian multimedia-- it's probably not even fixes

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iamlindoro:

anyway

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iamlindoro:

so you created mythconverg, right, with mc.sql?

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Steven_M:

it looked like that was all in the package installation, so we skipped that step. The database and tables appear to be in mysql anyway

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iamlindoro:

the key here is going to be figuring out whether it's a DB problem or a backend connection problem.

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iamlindoro:

so start with this.

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iamlindoro:

open a terminal and do "telnet 127.0.0.1 6543"

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iamlindoro:

and see if it connects

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iamlindoro:

It won't give you any output, but it will connect if the backend is running properly and accepting connections

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iamlindoro:

it'll just show connected and escape character

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fryfrog:

Steven_M: have you just started from scratch? Is this only a myth box?

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Steven_M:

standby, this distro doesn't have seem to have telnet installed by default

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fryfrog:

maybe you should try ubuntu, mythbuntu, fedora or mythdora which is much more used?

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iamlindoro:

It also helps to kick the maintainer at deb multimedia in the teeth for not even having -fixes packages

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iamlindoro:

at least, it helps me to smile

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Steven_M:

fryfrog: no, it's not a dedicated mythbox, but I'm considering installing mythbuntu on my other drive

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dustybin:

what a bloody mission

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dustybin:

i managed to get the nvidia driver working on lenny kernel 2.6.25, but my previous xorg.conf doesnt work with it

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iamlindoro:

ps, wtf kinda distro doesn't come with *telnet*

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Steven_M:

yeah, 'tis weird

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iamlindoro:

and I *like* debian

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iamlindoro:

but come on

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dustybin:

just apt-get install it

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iamlindoro:

uhhh I think he knows that

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iamlindoro:

that's not the point

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, GO TO FUCKING BED

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: your sounding more and more like justinh

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dustybin:

:P

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iamlindoro:

fuck, they're going to find you grown into a couch someday

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dustybin:

lol

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iamlindoro:

skin grown around couch fiber, it'll be nasty

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dustybin:

lol

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Steven_M:

sigh, connection refused with telnet :(

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iamlindoro:

ok, so more or less, you are looking at a bonafide backend connection issue

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iamlindoro:

so stop the backend with your init script (if any)

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wagnerrp:

oddly gentoo does not appear to have a telnet client either

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iamlindoro:

and run mythbackend from the terminal and pastebin the output

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fryfrog:

the last couple of distros i've used haven't had telnet as a default package

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fryfrog:

but gentoo is understandable since you start out with nothing basically and add what you want

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fryfrog:

at least, unless it has changed in the last few years

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iamlindoro:

not only has it not changed, but it's actually forked another distro because gentoo wasn't hostile or hard enough

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wagnerrp:

still that way, but telnet seems like one of those basic tools that should be in everything

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wagnerrp:

exherbo?

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iamlindoro:

yar

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orkid:

anyone know why when i'm watching livetv and my drive fills up, the current show does not get deleted? ie. a long show, that takes up a lot of space, and is the only thing in the autoexpire list... but while i'm watching it it does not (can not?) expire... and the whole system (backend+frontend) comes crumbling down. backend says no free space, frontend just stops showing video, and i have to Esc out of it

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Steven_M:

looks like mysql is shitting on us so we might have a look at mythbuntu. Getting sick of beating our heads against the monitor :)

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iamlindoro:

orkid, because it's not a ring buffer, and can't expire an open file

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wagnerrp:

you... actually want it to delete something your are in the process of deleting?

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wagnerrp:

err... watching

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Steven_M:

bye all

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iamlindoro:

Steven_M, it *may* be a trivial matter to fix, but we'll never know if you don't pastebin

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iamlindoro:

or you can go fuck yourself

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iamlindoro:

bye!

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tank-man:

he wants it to pick at random something to delete that he has set to not auto expire ;)

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tank-man:

orkid, what is the expected outcome you would have wanted ?

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orkid:

iamlindoro: so is there a way around it (other than the obvious add more disk space, exit out of livetv once in a while)

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iamlindoro:

orkid, do you have so little space that a single program is filling it, or are we talking about some sort of marathon 24 hour long program? or have you done something silly with the listings?

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orkid:

i would have wanted the current show to be split... into multiple files, and then 30 minute chunks (or 15 minute chunks if 30 minute chunks are too big... ie take up all of the hd space already), get deleted

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iamlindoro:

tank-man, I don't believe that's the case here

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wagnerrp:

orkid: are you using a ridiculously small hard drive? or are you watching livetv for days on end?

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orkid:

no, the bandwidthis huge, it fills the hd quick, and i only had 5 gigs or so

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dustybin:

grr im so pissed off

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dustybin:

if i delete my xorg.conf

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dustybin:

it kind of automatically boots into something generic

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iamlindoro:

In that case, yes, the answer is "get more disk"

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wagnerrp:

well if you only have 5GB to put towards recordings, you shouldnt be using mythtv

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orkid:

i heard show splittage does happen, IF the EPG is unknown (right?). in this case the pg is known, but is a single long program

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wagnerrp:

just grab the video feed directly using mplayer

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dustybin:

hmm maybe the nvidia driver isnt working

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iamlindoro:

orkid, in that case it cannot be split. Myth splits at the program boundaries.

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wagnerrp:

mythtv wants large volumes of space

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orkid:

i know... i know. why was ring buffer removed again?

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orkid:

oh yea. ease of moving from 'livetv' to other groups/whatever i think

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iamlindoro:

more or less

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orkid:

with things like olympics on... it's easy to fill up space.. VERY easy

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orkid:

and stuff like 7am-7pm of olympics (single program). ... hd...

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orkid:

it's like.. come on

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iamlindoro:

This is true-- averaging 28GB/night for that

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iamlindoro:

for four hours of prime time coverage, that is

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orkid:

so that's why 30 minute splittage would be nice, having the db tie it all together...

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orkid:

why can't that happen?

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iamlindoro:

because myth is designed for people who have the disk space to record what they want to watch

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orkid:

it happens for 'unknown' in epg, why can't it be set to do it for normal programs? and if you want to keep/move it (not autoexpire) it can fuse those files together (if u really want to)

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iamlindoro:

You'll never get anyone to change myth to accomodate people with 5 G b of free space, just not gonna happen

[05:06:21]

orkid:

sure sure i know... just wondering why it can't split it... will it split over multiple storage devices? (if defined).

[05:06:31]

iamlindoro:

orkid, because nobody cares about that functionality. If you write a patch to make it selectable, it *might* get added, but I'd still think it'd probably be ignored

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iamlindoro:

no, it will not

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orkid:

still, this is an exception (olympics HD)

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iamlindoro:

just buy a freaking disk

[05:07:01]

orkid:

i'm redoing my system right now

[05:07:05]

iamlindoro:

You could fit an entire day's worth of olympics on $30 worth of hard drive

[05:07:19]

orkid:

have a 120, 160, 250, and abunch of other small sizes...

[05:07:28]

orkid:

i just have to reorganize my stuff

[05:07:59]

fryfrog:

iamlindoro: would you try a "crappier" firewire card over a TI? I think my "crappy" one is a via of some sort.

[05:08:06]

orkid:

i also dont like having all these odd sizes around... so i'm probably going to buy up a bunch of teras

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog, you can *try* anything... I have one of each, both work

[05:08:22]

orkid:

but again, they'll be way out of date in a few years i bet

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iamlindoro:

but chipsets still vary

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: do you daisy chain or 1 port per STB?

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tank-man:

so you want videos to have a 'hicup' in the middle of a show where audio/video could be skipped for millseconds or more?

[05:08:42]

iamlindoro:

Buy.com has preorders for 1.5 TBs for $200

[05:08:54]

iamlindoro:

fryfrog, 1 Port per, both on a single TI chipset ATM

[05:08:59]

fryfrog:

holey cow, who is making 1.5s?

[05:09:00]

orkid:

well, tx for the explanation... i didn't know if it was something in my setup of myth, or if it was a bug.

[05:09:09]

iamlindoro:

fryfrog, everyone in the next few months

[05:09:13]

wagnerrp:

or if you wait for a deal, 1TB drives can be had for a ~$110

[05:09:16]

fryfrog:

nice

[05:09:21]

orkid:

1tb for 140 u can get

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orkid:

and there were deals on 500's for 50

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wagnerrp:

750GB drives are regularly ~$80

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orkid:

haha. in the late 90s i was also real late getting a burner, though i always needed one and used a friends a lot

[05:10:18]

inkynoob:

Can anyone tell me what JUMP does in a menu XML file? The wiki page says "JUMP - ???"

[05:10:23]

orkid:

so what do you do with all your old hardware

[05:10:37]

orkid:

thta eats up all that power, creates all the heat, and doesn't do THAT much (relatively, anymore)

[05:10:56]

iamlindoro:

if you're clever, you stack it up and do useless shit while ruining the environment

[05:11:02]

iamlindoro:

the rest of us recycle it

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iamlindoro:

clever the person, not the adjective

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wagnerrp:

ive given two away to people who have no computer

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orkid:

recycle? where

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wagnerrp:

i stockpile some hardware for spares, in case something goes bad, i have a temporary replacement

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iamlindoro:

every major city has conputer recyclers

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iamlindoro:

(often stupidly called e-waste)

[05:12:24]

iamlindoro:

er computer

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wagnerrp:

they rebuild them and give them to the poor, or schools, or libraries

[05:12:47]

orkid:

i gave away my 386, then kind of regretted it (first computer, solid machine). but i hope someone had good use of it

[05:12:56]

orkid:

oh yup, those things

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wagnerrp:

others get rebuilt as spare frontends, or network management (firewall, dhcp, dns, asterisk, vpn, ...)

[05:13:35]

orkid:

but i recall i think they were complaining that it was not really capable (duh), but it still had sentimental value for me.. oh well, anyway..

[05:13:59]

orkid:

yeah.. it just keeps eating up power and making heat. was in a comp closet at the uni today, and boy they have a lot of oooold stuff there

[05:14:05]

orkid:

just piling too. old SUNs etc

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wagnerrp:

hell! weve got a couple old Apple IIe's laying around our storage closets on campus

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orkid:

i see people selling their old machines on craigslist etc. i wonder if they ever recoup a decent % of their cost... like leasing a car (but u biuld the com pyourself)

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wagnerrp:

one of the is still plugged in, with some light on, god knows what its doing

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orkid:

haha

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iamlindoro:

10 print "I like beer"

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orkid:

other than eating up power and making heat out of it.

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iamlindoro:

20 goto 10

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wagnerrp:

orkid: you dont recoup much out of used computer hardware

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fryfrog:

no way, computers go down in value at an exponential rate :p

[05:16:08]

iamlindoro:

unless they're Apple :)

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iamlindoro:

which have freakin' awesome resale value

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fryfrog:

even they still go down in value, but not quite at the same rate as pc crap :p

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pat_:

where I started work a few years ago nobody knew about computers

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fryfrog:

which is amusing since they *are* pc crap now

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iamlindoro:

everything depreciates, nobody argues that

[05:16:49]

wagnerrp:

basically, the best you can hope for is that someone takes them off your hands, and you dont have to pay to dispose of them

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pat_:

there was a computer with a postit on it "do not turn off"

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iamlindoro:

but at a fraction of the rate of other stuff

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fryfrog:

what do you mean, like people were like "computer, what is that"?

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pat_:

they hadn't turned it off in years because they were afraid that something would break

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pat_:

it didn't actually do anything

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wagnerrp:

you have no power outages?

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pat_:

well, not for their network

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orkid:

sure.. unless u get a comp of a value that's below top of the line... and then sell it before it becomes useless.. for hard drives it's not too bad, if you sell in a year or two maybe.. video cards are terrible, ram is not bad, CPUs are bad (pretty bad), motherboard i can't tell (sound ok.. ie. they last a while)

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pat_:

it was on a city grid and a hospital grid

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wagnerrp:

orkid: there is no value left in ram now anyway

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wagnerrp:

4GB is <$60

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pat_:

it also had an AT power supply

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tank-man:

i would never buy a used harddrive

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wagnerrp:

server memory is still relatively expensive, but desktop...

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orkid:

sure.. but then sdram (some people still get it), is still a lot, and so is ddr.

[05:19:12]

wagnerrp:

its only costly now, because no one makes it anymore

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pat_:

it's cheaper to junk the computer and get a new one than try and buy a reasonable amount of those ram types

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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fryfrog:

jesus, 939 cpus

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orkid:

so say u get ddr2 now... and then u sell it in a few years... it's already depreciated, and if you part it out in a few years it might not be bad (IF u find someone to buy it, b/c the supply is so much smaller)

[05:19:33]

fryfrog:

a 3800 X2 for like $150–200

[05:19:43]

fryfrog:

vs. a 6000+ for the same price but socket AM2

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fryfrog:

retarded :p

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orkid:

well i got a 1gig ddr for $30. it was worth it for me i think, rather than piling up more computers, and shelling out more cash

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fryfrog:

I got a 4200+ X2 939 *new* for like $60, right before they stopped being sold retail

[05:20:08]

wagnerrp:

heh, i wonder if its worthwhile to sell my old opteron and memory in my server, and upgrade

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pat_:

get rid of the old ones

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pat_:

there's computer recyclers around that will collect them for free

[05:20:26]

orkid:

that's the thing. some people just wanna upgrade, they dont wanna buy a whole new system (mb_cpu_ram)

[05:20:32]

orkid:

and psu nowadays perhaps

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orkid:

(and vid card if u game)

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wagnerrp:

i long ago realized that upgrading was a lost cause

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orkid:

a lotta times 'upgrade' in marketing means 'buy a whole new computer'.. like 'upgrade your computer' is really 'stick in more ram' nowadays

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wagnerrp:

back when i tried upgrading my socket a system, and found that my kt333 board didnt actually support chips with a 166MHz FSB

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orkid:

yeaaa. it's only temporary, and maybe it helps if u didn't gauge where softwares' hardware requirements were going (more ram or more cpu) for your apps

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wagnerrp:

theres no such thing as worthwhile forward compatibility

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orkid:

meh, just speculatin

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orkid:

theres a lot of BS with compatiblility b/w mb/fsb/all that.. it's ridiculous nowadays

[05:23:16]

orkid:

well u can up your ram.

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orkid:

or vid card (if u dont have agp like me :P

[05:23:43]

orkid:

or maybe a cpu if u cheaped out when u bought it originally.

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orkid:

lotsa different strategies. *shrugs*

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orkid:

like, q6600 has depreciated like way, 30% or the last year?

[05:24:33]

wagnerrp:

you can upgrade your GPU, but then your GPU will throughly outclass your CPU, and end up not being able to do a lot more than the old one

[05:24:35]

orkid:

way == what

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fryfrog:

damn computers!

[05:24:52]

orkid:

yea, depending on your cpu, and what apps u want to run

[05:25:17]

wagnerrp:

orkid: the original 6x00 series never really depreciated. they were just replaced by cheaper and powerful 6x50 series

[05:25:45]

orkid:

well the q6600 is plenty powerful (with oc).

[05:25:57]

orkid:

and it's so easy (and safe)

[05:26:18]

orkid:

it's like free money!

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inkynoob:

Anyone know how to find out the jump points in a plugin?

[05:26:38]

orkid:

(too good to be true?) lol. it's a good chip, i bet it's a super hot seller still

[05:26:55]

orkid:

but anyway, i kinda digressed.

[05:26:56]

orkid:

sorry

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orkid:

for takin it off topic for so long

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wagnerrp:

jump points in a plugin?

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iamlindoro:

Use the source, luke

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iamlindoro:

or just use mythcontrols and you can see all of them

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wagnerrp:

dont rely on the decompiler, feel the code flowing through you

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iamlindoro:

under, wouldn't you know it, "Jumppoints"

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inkynoob:

ah ha. Found it

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inkynoob:

iamlindoro — mythcontrols == mythweb?

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dustybin:

at long fucking last, it works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[05:47:15]

dustybin:

the was a bastard and a half

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dustybin:

that

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justinh:

iamlindoro: you're not seriously using GIMP to make theme graphics? that sounds like trying to use a blowtorch for needlepoint work :P

[05:48:42]

dustybin:

justinh: wtf are you doing up at this time

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justinh:

I wake up when I wake up

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justinh:

I've not been sloth-like at weekends for ages

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iamlindoro:

justinh, naw, but I was throwing together a mockup while the xmls were irritating me

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dustybin:

Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.25-2-vserver-686/i686 – CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.154 MHz) – Processes: 142 – Uptime: 41m – Load Average: 0.16 – Memory Usage: 297.40MB/1011.51MB (29.40%) – Disk Usage: 277.81GB/1363.24GB (20.38%)

[05:51:45]

dustybin:

check out my kernel

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iamlindoro:

justinh, TBH I've been using pixelmator on the mac (yes, yes, boo hoo no open source ) :)

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dustybin:

photoshop ftw

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iamlindoro:

uhhh

[05:52:19]

iamlindoro:

no.

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iamlindoro:

at all.

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iamlindoro:

You must be delirious from lack of sleep.

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dustybin:

nope

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it...

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iamlindoro:

oh. Then just retarded.

[05:53:06]

wagnerrp:

photoshop... on linux...?

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wagnerrp:

vserver?

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justinh:

photoshop sucks anyway IMHO

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wagnerrp:

oh, kernel level jails

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justinh:

I like all my editing stuff to look pretty much how it's going to end up while I work on it. pity ye olde photoshoppe's scaling looks so er.. nintendo-ish

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iamlindoro:

I gave up and ended up mocking it up in inkscape, which appears not half bad

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justinh:

inkscape is what I use for doing most stuff now

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justinh:

it has its foibles too though

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CWALv2:

Hey, does anyone here have a WinTv PVR USB2 who could tell me the voltage of the wall wart?

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wagnerrp:

thats shitty, it cant run on usb power alone?

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: some of the dmesg errors i see when my stb goes wonky look like "[ 3092.931610] ieee1394: Error parsing configrom for node 0–01:1023"

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CWALv2:

Haven't tried

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fryfrog:

right now, one of my stbs shows up in plugreport and the other doesn't :/

[06:00:10]

CWALv2:

My friend just gave it to me

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justinh:

wagnerrp: it can't, no

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justinh:

oops. read hdpvr there. it's still early for me lol

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justinh:

try it CWALv2 – you won't break anything

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iamlindoro:

usb can't supply near enough dc for that

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CWALv2:

Nope, didn't work

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iamlindoro:

should be 12VDC, but then, that ought to be written right where the plug would go in

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CWALv2:

yeah

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CWALv2:

I don't want to try anything without confirmation from someone else who has one

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CWALv2:

The person who had it highlighter'd the flat surfaces so there's no writing...

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CWALv2:

And I haven't found any pics online or any info for that matter..

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dustybin:

how can you say photoshop sucks :-/

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dustybin:

its industry standard

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CWALv2:

It's too expensive?

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dustybin:

(for a reason)

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iamlindoro:

6V 1.7A

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iamlindoro:

there ya go

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CWALv2:

Sweet

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CWALv2:

Thanks

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iamlindoro:

http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_pvrusb2.html

[06:05:25]

CWALv2:

Wow

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wagnerrp:

photoshop is an example of the success of piracy

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fryfrog:

ahahah

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CWALv2:

Guess I'm just mentally challenged... :p

[06:05:51]

CWALv2:

I was searching for voltage and such...

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fryfrog:

yeah, seriously... there are the 100s of legit photo editors and such that pay for PS

[06:06:03]

wagnerrp:

they make it ridiculously expensive, so everyone wants it, pirates it, and it becomes popular

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, the argument that something is good because it's industry standard should be checked at the door on freenod

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fryfrog:

then there are the billions of people that pirate the fuck out of it :p

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dustybin:

Linux public 2.6.25-2-vserver-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 19:56:05 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

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dustybin:

ace :-)

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iamlindoro:

ace because you've traveled back in time to July?

[06:10:05]

iamlindoro:

where you'll kick yourself in the nuts and tell yourself to go outfuckingside once in a while?

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dustybin:

lol

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fryfrog:

haha

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dustybin:

once i get my server setup how i want

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dustybin:

ill go for a walk

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pat_:

you'll never go for a walk

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pat_:

it took me years to get my server set up like I wanted

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pat_:

and years more to realise what I actually wanted

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justinh:

so is mythtv popular because it gets pirated a lot? ;)

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is popular?

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justinh:

allegedly

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justinh:

it'd obviously become MOAR POPLR if it had bittorrent clients, SMBFS integration, stolen copyrighted artwork, loads of whizzy pointless animations, more stolen copyrighted artwork, some more BT clients, P2P EPG data, P2P commercial flagging, coffee-making & any other stupid-arse feature request idea you can find on the wiki!

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fryfrog:

mythtv is popular in the same way that meth is "popular"

[06:30:22]

fryfrog:

there are a lot of people who use it, but not *that* many :p

[06:30:49]

justinh:

well not photoshop kind of numbers fer sure ;)

[06:31:22]

fryfrog:

i wonder what piece of windows software has similiar numbers to myth

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justinh:

"muhhh, but LINUX! LINUX!!!! I TELL YOU – LINUX!!!! :("

[06:31:39]

wagnerrp:

i thought you were going to say something about trials and tribulations with mythtv cause you to grind your teeth away

[06:31:45]

fryfrog:

maybe SageTV or something

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justinh:

has anybody here ever read their forums btw?

[06:32:20]

justinh:

and people say mythtv has issues. pfft

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fryfrog:

no wai, someone says mythtv has problems?

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fryfrog:

i don't believe it :p

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justinh:

yeah. users. that's being worked on, though

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fryfrog:

http://graphjam.com/2008/08/22/song-chart-memes-web-development/

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fryfrog:

hah, hah

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justinh:

there's a lesson in there. don't bother debugging in IE

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justinh:

kinda chicken & egg scenario but if people stopped working around its bugs maybe MS would put them right sometime

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wagnerrp:

IE doesnt have bugs, only 'features'

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justinh:

s/bugs/deliberate deviations from standards

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, IE sucks

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RyeBrye:

http://code.google.com/p/ie7-js/ <-- one of my favorite javascript libraries

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justinh:

a month since I last visted mythtvtalk.com... nothing interesting has been posted since. forums attract more bottom feeders than IRC

[06:43:06]

RyeBrye:

It's easier to ignore people on IRC

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justinh:

it's easy to ignore people on forums too. don't visit them often

[06:44:10]

RyeBrye:

true – but it's more likely that someone will see a stupid comment on a forum and reply to it – but on IRC people don't scroll back up to see what some idiot was whining about 10 minutes ago and then bring it up again

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justinh:

ORLY ;)

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RyeBrye:

I'm probably too tired to think straight right now – but for HD-PVR single-sliced stuff – would it be possible to use multiple cores to transcode it from a single-sliced h264 into a multi-sliced, or does the single-slicedness make even a multi-core (possibly out of order when doing the processing) not possible

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justinh:

can you transcode non-sliced into sliced? I don't know

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wagnerrp:

there no reason why you couldnt transcode single into multiple

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RyeBrye:

on a machine with a C2Q or something – transcoding it to make it multi-sliced might be a worthwhile endeavor if it meant it could be played back and use all the available cores

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wagnerrp:

now can you convert it without transcoding, likely not

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justinh:

fingers crossed for the ffmpeg SoC works ;)

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RyeBrye:

I've seen more SoC shipwrecks than victories – but perhaps the ffmpeg one will work

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** RyeBrye hopes **

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justinh:

I think the multithreading of non-sliced material stands more chance than GPU acceleration but even that is showing promise

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RyeBrye:

The whole sliced / not-sliced might not matter if I get my system built the way I want – I'm planning to OC a Q9550 to at least 3.8 GHz – possibly to 4.2 or so

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justinh:

sounds er... expensive :)

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RyeBrye:

It's not going to be cheap – but the price on the Q9550 dropped in the middle of august so it's around $330 now

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justinh:

ironic isn't it – having to go to those kind of lengths to do the job of some $25 chip

[06:52:29]

RyeBrye:

No joke

[06:52:58]

RyeBrye:

yeah, and the GPU can easily handle it if they just wanted to update their linux drivers

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RyeBrye:

Some manufacturer should wake up one day and say "Hey, I bet we could sell a few HUNDRED THOUSAND of our video cards if we just enable h.264 acceleration for linux users"

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tank-man:

manufactureer will be like "whats linux?"

[06:54:53]

RyeBrye:

:)

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justinh:

oh! linux – yes our webservers run that

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justinh:

why would anybody want to decode h.264 AVC video on a webserver?! crazy</goes back to sleep>

[06:55:56]

RyeBrye:

"Maybe if we had better graphics drivers on our webservers, the graphics on our pages would load faster!" <- pointy-haired boss at gpu company

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wagnerrp:

madness you say? this... is... nvidiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[06:57:30]

justinh:

after reading a thread on the ffmpeg-devel list last night that somebody pointed out here.... seems asus have a HD decoder card & it looked like they were canvassing ffmpeg developers for their help in writing a linux driver for it

[06:57:33]

RyeBrye:

Isn't Intel supposed to be the one posturing the most about doing some kind of GPU acceleration stuff for linux?

[06:57:54]

RyeBrye:

I'd buy that card

[06:59:42]

justinh:

the HDTV equivalent of a 'hollywood divx decoder' (or whatever they called it)

[07:00:18]

RyeBrye:

ASUS has some interesting stuff – like this sound card

[07:00:19]

RyeBrye:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1 . . . 3=0&l4=0

[07:00:35]

RyeBrye:

I saw that and I thought "cool card – not a snowballs chance in hell that would work in linux"

[07:02:01]

tank-man:

asus also has "expressgate" on some motherboards, its near instant on for some limited apps

[07:02:18]

RyeBrye:

oh, yeah – I saw that

[07:02:28]

tank-man:

runs some form of linux i think

[07:02:50]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I question the functionality on a desktop – but then again – my computers are always on

[07:03:08]

tank-man:

its on some notebooks too

[07:03:10]

RyeBrye:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2 looks like they just pimp ATI and nVidia chipsets

[07:03:32]

RyeBrye:

I just saw it on their P5E-Deluxe motherboard as a feature

[07:04:04]

justinh:

http://www.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=11638

[07:04:40]

justinh:

does 1080p, AVC1, yada yada yada

[07:04:43]

RyeBrye:

ah yes – that's the one I saw

[07:04:46]

RyeBrye:

the Xonar

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justinh:

that's the one they were discussing on the ffmpeg list with a view to them helping with linux drivers

[07:05:36]

wagnerrp:

that actually offloads video decoding?

[07:05:43]

justinh:

totally

[07:05:47]

wagnerrp:

i thought it was more of a video passthru

[07:05:54]

justinh:

nope

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RyeBrye:

I found that when I was looking to see if I could find something that spat out HDMI with multichannel audio + video

[07:06:40]

RyeBrye:

Right now that card is probably more expensive than just paying for the higher clockspeed on a cpu though

[07:06:51]

justinh:

apparently it can do it all – the only possible snag is how you'd do the OSD on it

[07:07:27]

justinh:

it went a bit OT on the thread after its graphics channel was discussed

[07:08:27]

RyeBrye:

interesting

[07:08:30]

wagnerrp:

the only thing that would make that card better, is if they got rid of the ribbon cable

[07:08:41]

wagnerrp:

just spat the audio through the PCIe interface

[07:08:55]

justinh:

who wants analogue audio out anyway?

[07:09:08]

justinh:

I certainly wouldn't. nor component

[07:09:18]

wagnerrp:

the daughter card looks like it has the hardware to do the A/D on its own

[07:10:13]

RyeBrye:

They made that daughter card really big because of those gigantic op-amps on it... it's apparently an audiophile friendly feature: "The Xonar HDAV1.3 is the first in the Xonar family to utilize opamp sockets to allow simple, solder-less modifications for user-customized sound."

[07:10:34]

justinh:

hahaha

[07:10:35]

justinh:

what a load of tosh

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RyeBrye:

So apparently, you can "tweak" your output by replacing the op-amps with some exotic one you get made of germanium and batshit or something

[07:11:09]

wagnerrp:

you know, if youre modifying your sound card, you need serious psychological help

[07:11:09]

justinh:

next up, a valve output board

[07:11:15]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, no joke

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justinh:

wagnerrp: you mean you don't overclock your soundblaster?! I think you are the one who needs help, brother :P

[07:12:15]

wagnerrp:

hey, guano makes fantastic.... yeah, i cant come up with anything

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RyeBrye:

Once that card gets big though, I bet you could make a killing selling gigantic op-amps though

[07:13:17]

RyeBrye:

buy a few thousand off of mouser or digikey – then rub off the label, and put some website claiming they have healing powers or something

[07:13:36]

RyeBrye:

and gold plate the connectors or something – and then sell them each for $250

[07:14:04]

RyeBrye:

SmartVolume, Acoustic Echo Cancellation, Karaoke Functions, FlexBass

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wagnerrp:

hey, thats blatant fraud, and we want more of that kind of thinking around here

[07:14:17]

RyeBrye:

I don't know what FlexBass is – but if it's got Karaoke Functions in it – I'm sold

[07:16:55]

RyeBrye:

... each of those op-amps they use cost around $3 or $4

[07:17:03]

RyeBrye:

http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dk . . . =LM4562NA-ND

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wagnerrp:

there are three (supposedly stereo) A/Ds on the daughter card

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wagnerrp:

the Burr-Brown chips

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wagnerrp:

that ribbon cable is digital, i dont see why they couldnt just pump the feed over the PCIe bus

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wagnerrp:

i suppose omitting an interface chip saves some amount of cost

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RyeBrye:

I bet the daughter card can just sit in any available slot – so if you want to block off a PCI slot instead of using a PCIe for a glorified breakout box you can – similar to extra little thing Hauppauge ships with their PVR-500's to enable the composite inputs for the second encoder

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wagnerrp:

is PCIe x1 physically compatible with PCI?

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RyeBrye:

I don't nkow

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wagnerrp:

if so, that seems like it was a poor design choice

[07:31:17]

RyeBrye:

I'd probably snap off the little piece on the bottom and block off a PCI slot if I had to

[07:31:25]

RyeBrye:

I'd just be sure to screw it down really tight

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wagnerrp:

as x1 cards are becoming more commmon, i can only imagine how many people are killing them in a PCI slot

[07:32:05]

RyeBrye:

true

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RyeBrye:

It's strange they let you swap out those opamps – but they include out of the box one of the best opamps made

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RyeBrye:

anyway... I'm off to bed

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wagnerrp:

ditto

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strex:

sup folks

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pat_:

my blood alcohol content

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strex:

pat_ agreed

[07:50:02]

strex:

so anyone ever tried running a mythtv BE/FE off a G5 Mac?

[07:54:19]

strex:

a buddy of mine is trying to setup mythtv and wants to do it with a beefy mac. Can anyone lend some advice?

[07:55:55]

strex:

pat_ what do you run?

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pat_:

huh?

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pat_:

I've got an athlon 2400xp as my master and main frontend

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strex:

mythtv..

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pat_:

I've got a pentium dual core as my backup machine which also helsp with transcodiing

[07:56:51]

strex:

any dedicated frontends

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pat_:

and my dedicated frontend is a dell sff something or other

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strex:

nice

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strex:

so, I'm thinking about seperating my FE from my BE, what can I access from my FE if I seperate them?

[07:58:21]

strex:

everything I hope?

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strex:

any limitations?

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pat_:

I access mythvideo and recordings

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pat_:

which is all I have anyway

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pat_:

so.. no limitations for me

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strex:

what about LiveTV?

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strex:

sup killaz, I agree, az sucks

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killaz:

??az?

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strex:

Arizona?!?

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killaz:

strex: sup? az

[08:00:37]

strex:

I can read...

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killaz:

strex: why do you say that??

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killaz:

strex: ohhh lol

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strex:

killaz are you in az

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killaz:

nah I'm not an US citizen..

[08:01:28]

strex:

awesomeo..

[08:01:36]

strex:

I wish I wasn't

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strex:

lol

[08:01:55]

killaz:

strex: so you are.... is it so bad then ;-)

[08:02:19]

killaz:

I'm in NL..

[08:02:19]

strex:

well it can be, espically in AZ..

[08:03:06]

pat_:

live tv works fine

[08:03:43]

strex:

pat_ so from your FE, livetv, recordings and videos work fine?

[08:03:57]

killaz:

I have problem with my fron covers when I want to show them in mythmusic..... it is like it cant read the file. The image is all blurry like the decoding of the jpeg is wrong....

[08:04:22]

killaz:

this is not happening for all the files..

[08:04:38]

killaz:

some of them. All of them are JPEG's

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strex:

killaz who own's the files?

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pat_:

strex, yeah, everything works fine

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pat_:

mythgame works from my secondary frontend

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killaz:

strex: nobody, nogroup

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strex:

pat_ awesome I'll seperate them on my end soon..

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strex:

killaz so it's like the jpg isn't rendering right?

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strex:

killaz does it show anyting at all?

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killaz:

strex: yeah all pixels as if it's a artist on drugs...

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strex:

lol

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justinh:

ati graphics?

[08:08:31]

strex:

maybe it is.

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justinh:

or just low-res cover art?

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killaz:

strex: nope high-res 300x300

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strex:

killaz do the images look ok on your puter?

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justinh:

that isn't high res but...

[08:09:10]

killaz:

nvidia graphiics

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justinh:

it still shouldn't look like lego

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justinh:

wb cojonuo. I managed to make mythtube work last night :)

[08:10:11]

killaz:

yeah.... I can open them without any problem in my file browser.. and it shows up perfect with Eye of Gnome

[08:10:41]

justinh:

updated to your new version & it seems fine. the issue I had where I said it was tricky to navigate is due to mythui. so – no worries :)

[08:11:16]

justinh:

killaz: is that the albumart visualiser?

[08:11:30]

justinh:

in mythmusic, I mean

[08:11:30]

killaz:

justinh: yup exactly

[08:11:57]

justinh:

killaz: which theme are you using?

[08:12:09]

justinh:

just wondering what size the image is being displayed at

[08:12:50]

killaz:

the mythbuntu-wide

[08:12:52]

cojonuo:

hello

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justinh:

oh wait. does the music file have an embedded image?

[08:13:27]

killaz:

yup.... think so. Cause I hae added them on their ID3 tag

[08:13:29]

justinh:

the embedded image might be smaller & is being read & scaled up

[08:13:57]

justinh:

btw you using trunk?

[08:14:13]

killaz:

justinh: I'm just experimenting with this cover art thing on the ID3 tags

[08:14:30]

justinh:

but are you running trunk?

[08:14:51]

killaz:

and I have just added a cover of 300x300 px and added it using EasyTag on the tag

[08:15:01]

cojonuo:

justinh: ok, no more bugs??

[08:15:16]

pat_:

juski never has bugs

[08:15:40]

justinh:

cojonuo: I'm not sure. I added a channel http://www.youtube.com/thechrismoylesshow & it doesn't seem to work. searching seems fine now though

[08:16:58]

killaz:

justinh: you are asking me for the trunk?

[08:17:05]

justinh:

cojonuo: btw I've done something for you – hope you don't mind: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/screenshots

[08:17:25]

justinh:

killaz: I am asking you if you're running mythtv trunk (i.e. the development version) or if you run -fixes

[08:17:50]

killaz:

justinh: MythTV Branch : branches/release-0-21-fixes

[08:18:01]

justinh:

cojonuo: the logos which don't use the same font as youtube would be the preferred ones – less risk of trademark lawsuit ;)

[08:18:07]

killaz:

justinh: MythTV Version : 16838

[08:18:28]

justinh:

killaz: ok

[08:19:13]

justinh:

killaz: so in another music player which can display embedded albumart rather than a static jpeg file – does it look ok?

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killaz:

justinh: hmmm.... I'll have to find out.. cause I'm reading here that RhythmBox (musicplay I'm using) is not reading the embeded jpeg but d/l its own from the net

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cojonuo:

justinh: but other channel would work fine, http://www.youtube.com/thechrismoylesshow channel get the video list, but can't play any... is ths true??

[08:21:31]

justinh:

cojonuo: I don't think I even got the video list

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killaz:

justinh: do you know one that is using this embedded image

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justinh:

killaz: amarok probably does

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killaz:

justinh: KDE :-(

[08:22:39]

killaz:

doesn't that give problems with my gnome?

[08:23:15]

justinh:

nah

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justinh:

check your mp3 tagging program to see if it's limiting the size of the embedded images

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killaz:

EasyTag is not limiting.... it said hat the file is still 300x300.....

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justinh:

hrm

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justinh:

seems fine here

[08:26:03]

justinh:

cojonuo: on that channel I am getting FeedChannel: FeedChannel: Network ERROR!!!! CODE: CODE 3

[08:26:28]

justinh:

it might just be my problem. I'm not sure how it's supposed to work ;)

[08:27:40]

justinh:

I'm guessing that all I do is put the URL of the channel into the URL field and give it a nice name. maybe I'll try other channels

[08:30:35]

justinh:

cojonuo: does the URL need http:// inside?

[08:30:49]

justinh:

or do you just add it yourself?

[08:32:20]

killaz:

justinh: yup amarok.. has also problem with the embeded image

[08:32:30]

killaz:

so it's the tag

[08:32:33]

killaz:

damn

[08:33:17]

justinh:

maybe easytag is scaling it down

[08:33:24]

justinh:

I thought that might be the case

[08:33:56]

justinh:

it's sensible to do _some_ scaling incase the final mp3 ends up being much bigger ;)

[08:35:26]

killaz:

justinh: I read the new version of EasyTag and guess what I found: Disabled unsynchronisation when writing ID3v2.4 tags (as Taglib doesn't support them) to avoid problem with pictures on some applications (thanks to Alexey Illarionov),

[08:35:37]

justinh:

hehehehe

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killaz:

:-)

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justinh:

nice username there, bud :-\

[08:36:41]

killaz:

justinh: thnx for pushing me in teh right direction

[08:36:51]

justinh:

np

[08:37:07]

justinh:

always try to find the root cause ;)

[08:37:35]

justinh:

I was tempted to use easytag once – you've just disuaded me :)

[08:38:22]

justinh:

another reminder I really need to re-rip my music as something way less lossy

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cojonuo:

justinh: so beautifull the mythtube logo

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cojonuo:

justinh: http is necesari, one moment I add this channel

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justinh:

cojonuo: ah ok. just looked at one of the youtube scripts too & it seems I had assumed that the search function was for videos – it's really for feeds. doh

[08:45:11]

justinh:

I think a lot of users might make the same mistake ;)

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cojonuo:

with search channel you can search videos on youtube (and other site with a script) and other channels are video feeds

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justinh:

it works in a different way to the search box on youtube.com though – or at least returns no results where a direct search finds videos

[08:59:17]

justinh:

maybe that's because of the youtube API, I don't know

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cojonuo:

justinh: yes because need add some changes to youtube.pl script

[09:00:11]

justinh:

okay no problem. I know it's still early days ;)

[09:00:19]

cojonuo:

http://www.youtube.com/rss/user/thechrismoylesshow/videos.rss this is the correct url to add channel

[09:00:26]

justinh:

aha!

[09:00:31]

justinh:

that explains a lot. doh

[09:00:33]

cojonuo:

i test it and get the video list

[09:04:42]

justinh:

yep. works here now too :)

[09:04:43]

killaz:

justinh: it's seems there is no id3 tag editor excpet easyTag that can manipulate album/cover art

[09:05:03]

justinh:

killaz: time to get the compiler out :D

[09:07:09]

justinh:

cojonuo: iamlindoro has been very enthusiastic about your plugin and I now know why. I'm not a big fan of youtube or video blogs or anything like that but I think mythtube is going to cause a lot of excitement

[09:07:54]

cojonuo:

youtube.com search result are order by other type

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justinh:

ah. maybe I can code something up for that. I can write perl if I push myself

[09:09:04]

cojonuo:

oooh thanks :)

[09:09:08]

cojonuo:

ok

[09:09:31]

justinh:

I'm not promising anything though

[09:09:39]

cojonuo:

jeje

[09:10:43]

cojonuo:

any question about it, ask me, ok?? :-)

[09:10:57]

justinh:

okees

[09:11:32]

cojonuo:

aaah I remmember a cuestion about file hosting

[09:12:06]

cojonuo:

exist any posibility to put a xml file on mythtv page to download for mythtube

[09:13:00]

cojonuo:

the idea is a xml file similar to mythnews xml site list but put on a server to user can update it easily

[09:18:22]

cojonuo:

about youtube rss channels. youtube don't provide the media url directly from his rss feed, only the direction for flashplayer and now I'm thinking if is a good idea hack the code or no

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justinh:

cojonuo: that's what services.mythtv.org is for IIRC ;)

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xris:

justinh: but no official mythtv.org stuff will violate any TOS

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justinh:

doh yes of course

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justinh:

if it was just a list of feeds though – that might be ok

[09:51:39]

justinh:

no hackery – but then maybe even that violates youtube T&Cs

[09:52:41]

liri:

mythweb requires the backend to be running?

[09:52:44]

xris:

yes

[09:52:51]

xris:

just about everything in mythtv does

[09:53:07]

xris:

mythweb is basically just a frontend

[09:53:18]

liri:

ahh

[09:53:37]

fryfrog:

only thing i can think of that doesn't require be running is mythtv-setup, which just interfaces with the db

[09:53:38]

liri:

I guessed I didn't need the backend to run since I'm not doing any PVR functions

[09:53:55]

fryfrog:

liri: you mean, right now or *ever*?

[09:54:13]

liri:

fryfrog: ever

[09:54:26]

fryfrog:

myth might be a tad overkill just to use mythvideo

[09:54:37]

justinh:

might? is

[09:54:51]

fryfrog:

that said, what else is there with a 10 foot gui?

[09:54:56]

justinh:

xbmc

[09:55:03]

fryfrog:

oh, good point

[09:55:06]

cojonuo:

i don't know if viole T&Cs but i refer a code hacker equal of mythnews or perl script is only get the correct sesion id of video

[09:55:08]

fryfrog:

that'd be perfect

[09:55:15]

liri:

it's not "just" video. it's the gui itself, and I use it as a media center (pictures, music, videos)

[09:55:37]

justinh:

it's not a 'center' if it doesn't do TV recording IMHO

[09:55:39]

fryfrog:

liri: take a look at XBMC, it does what you want and i'd argue for that purpose it is actually nicer than mythtv

[09:55:47]

liri:

it's nicer to browse a myth video gallery to watch a video than to search for it on my laptop and drag it to a video player

[09:55:55]

justinh:

XBMC

[09:55:59]

justinh:

and it runs on linux

[09:56:00]

liri:

I'm satisfied with mythtv :)

[09:56:10]

fryfrog:

yeah, xbmc on xbox1 is perfect, i always forget there is the linux port

[09:56:29]

fryfrog:

liri: if you aren't recording anything, you'll like xbmc more

[09:56:40]

liri:

I don't mind running mythbackend, just figured that it would be eating up resources while it's not really required

[09:56:53]

fryfrog:

assuming the linux version is as nice as the xbox version, which i can't imagine it isn't

[09:57:04]

justinh:

mythbackend doesn't really eat resources

[09:57:15]

justinh:

between that & mysql, mysql wins that ;)

[09:57:23]

fryfrog:

at least, nothing you'll really notice

[09:57:37]

liri:

so I really wouldn't mind getting it up and running

[09:57:53]

fryfrog:

liri: are you starting from 0 or do you already have mythtv going?

[09:57:56]

liri:

justinh: by the way, I removed all the watch tv/recordings links from mainmenu.xml and the like, thanks for the tip

[09:58:14]

mzb_d800:

well it's crude, but I've managed to get an editing function working (in a fashion) ... not sure if anyone remembers the conversation from a few months ago

[09:58:15]

fryfrog:

ah, guess you already have it going

[09:58:29]

liri:

fryfrog: I've got mythbuntu already running. I actually just got back to it this week, I used to work on it much more about 1.5 years ago where I actually did some QT development as well.

[09:59:01]

fryfrog:

so who the frik is joe biden?

[09:59:53]

cesman:

google

[10:00:42]

cesman:

http://biden.senate.gov/

[10:00:45]

fryfrog:

what is this google you speak of?

[10:01:09]

mzb_d800:

I have a user job that takes the file and does a mythtranscode --mpeg2 --honorcutlist which outputs the file into my video dir (various trickery depending on the TITLE). To do multiple edits of the same file, you just rename it before running the job

[10:01:12]

cesman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google

[10:02:47]

justinh:

mzb_d800: is that anything to do with splitting a big music channel recording into induh-viddial files perchance?

[10:02:59]

mzb_d800:

yes

[10:03:11]

mzb_d800:

although I have a better way of doing that now, too

[10:03:11]

justinh:

ooo :)

[10:03:47]

justinh:

I just realised actually – it might be quite easy to change the cutter to spit out different files at the cutpoint boundaries

[10:03:52]

mzb_d800:

only problem with the crude method is you can't edit the next session until the job is finished ... which might take a while for an 8hr recording ;)

[10:04:26]

** mzb_d800 is not good at multitasking ;) **

[10:04:51]

mzb_d800:

(single-overhead-nuerone thing afaik;)

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mzb_d800:

that and my improved understanding of manual recordings has made the music video collection a lot easier to manage

[10:05:46]

fryfrog:

so how does it work if you are currently a senator or what ever and become president?

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[10:05:56]

fryfrog:

i guess they just throw someone in your now abandoned place?

[10:06:04]

mzb_d800:

kill the opposition?

[10:06:12]

mzb_d800:

*cough*

[10:06:34]

** mzb_d800 goes back to editing **

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cesman:

fryfrog: the governor in the state you are representing appoints someone for the rest of the term

[10:07:19]

fryfrog:

ah

[10:07:38]

mzb_d800:

http://www.abc.net.au/rage/playlist/

[10:07:45]

orly_owl:

Would the ASUS A8V-E SE be a good choice for mythtv? http://www.coreboot.org/ASUS_A8V-E_SE_Build_Tutorial

[10:08:45]

cesman:

MythTV doesn't care about your motherboard

[10:08:53]

orly_owl:

OK

[10:08:59]

cesman:

Linux might ;)

[10:09:00]

fryfrog:

orly_owl: would a Ford Explorer be a good car for me to drive?

[10:09:07]

orly_owl:

Yes.

[10:09:14]

jblack:

Just make sure that the stats for the board are reasonably good.

[10:09:16]

fryfrog:

thanks

[10:09:21]

cesman:

actually, Linux probably doesn't care much either

[10:09:31]

jblack:

oh, linux definitely can.

[10:10:00]

fryfrog:

Your choice of CPU speeds and your desire to do SD or HD will have a bigger impact.

[10:10:02]

jblack:

before you buy a board, google it. there's more than a couple boards out there with acpi bugs.

[10:13:28]

laga:

like foxconn! ;)) i'm glad these guys resolved that problem

[10:14:25]

fryfrog:

those were the guys that were like "screw you linux, die in a fire" then a few days later were like "oh, uh... yeah we totally fixed it cause our linux customers are important to us" right?

[10:14:43]

jblack:

foxconn was the ones with the bad tables, right?

[10:14:49]

cesman:

yes

[10:14:56]

orly_owl:

Yeah, /. covered it.

[10:15:14]

cesman:

ever if they did fix it, I'd say screw them

[10:15:38]

jblack:

if you take that approach, no hardware from anyone, for you. well, except the pchdtv-5500 =)

[10:15:40]

fryfrog:

I tend to stick to the ones I've already had success with, Abit, Asus, Gigabyte

[10:16:10]

cesman:

jblack: that isn't the approach I'm taken

[10:16:14]

cesman:

fryfrog: exactly

[10:16:39]

justinh:

meh. the linux port of xbmc still requires a leet buid to be downloaded

[10:16:44]

justinh:

nil points!

[10:16:47]

jblack:

I hate to be so contrary, but even when you're buying the same board, you may not be buying the same board.

[10:16:55]

laga:

fryfrog: read matthew garrett's blog. the guy who "discovered" that problem was a big sissy who throw a temper tantrum about it. the way he approached foxconn was shameful

[10:17:21]

jblack:

laga: Have you ever met Garrett?

[10:17:36]

orly_owl:

Why does that name ring a bell?

[10:17:42]

laga:

jblack: no

[10:17:54]

jblack:

orly_owl: Heh. Because his work is everywhere.

[10:18:16]

jblack:

particularly apm, acpi and related parts in x.org

[10:18:26]

orly_owl:

ah ok

[10:18:28]

cesman:

how about providing links?

[10:18:40]

jblack:

to.... ?

[10:18:58]

laga:

matthew garrett also gives amusing talks :)

[10:19:22]

jblack:

Yeah. He's also funny when eating Thai. (I used to work with him)

[10:19:27]

orly_owl:

jblack: Oh no, it's because there's a politician called Peter Garrett: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Garrett :D

[10:19:29]

laga:

http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ – here's his blog. the last couple of entries are about the foxconn issue (and some personal problems with the guy who discovered it)

[10:20:22]

liri:

any ideas how to get the "Listen to Music" menu to recognize .mid files and play them?

[10:22:37]

justinh:

patch?

[10:26:39]

orly_owl:

What driver would I need to get HD on a ATI Technologies Inc RV370 [Radeon X300SE]

[10:26:42]

orly_owl:

?

[10:26:45]

dustybin:

anybody know the answer to this:

[10:26:45]

dustybin:

http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3027

[10:27:04]

fryfrog:

orly_owl: is that an input or output card?

[10:27:11]

dustybin:

orly_owl: use the closed source ATI driver now i think

[10:27:13]

fryfrog:

sounds like output, so just what ever ati drivers you want

[10:27:21]

justinh:

dustybin: you have to point mythtv's channel table at the icon locations

[10:27:30]

orly_owl:

Would a free driver work?

[10:27:38]

dustybin:

justinh: from mythweb

[10:27:49]

dustybin:

orly_owl: i think the closed one has more features than the open one now

[10:27:49]

justinh:

e.g. for BBC1, put /whatever/the/location/is/bbc1.gif in the 'icon' field in the channel table

[10:27:54]

orly_owl:

It's output. How could it be input? :/

[10:28:01]

directhex:

by being an all-in-wonder

[10:28:06]

dustybin:

justinh: aye thanks

[10:28:07]

orly_owl:

oh yeah

[10:28:21]

justinh:

all-in-wonder-why-it-won't-work-in-linux-EVER ?

[10:28:21]

orly_owl:

Would the free driver work though?

[10:28:41]

dustybin:

there was once a time when the closed source wasnt as good as the open source

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justinh:

any ATI card with video input made in recent times will not work in linux

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mzb_d800:

fyi: Peter Garrett used to be the lead in Midnight Oil ... before he went to the dark side ;)

[10:29:14]

justinh:

mzb_d800: solution to a bed which is on fire.. drink 15 pints

[10:29:20]

mzb_d800:

;))

[10:29:49]

justinh:

dustybin: anyway, mythtv-setup can grab channel icons. RTFM

[10:29:52]

dustybin:

i lost my whole mythconverg earlier

[10:30:08]

dustybin:

justinh: aye can it? even UK ones

[10:30:11]

justinh:

yes

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dustybin:

i want to use EIT, not radio times

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justinh:

it's pretty much all automagical to

[10:30:23]

justinh:

yes

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dustybin:

right ok ill test it thanks

[10:30:34]

justinh:

which part of YES is difficult here?

[10:30:38]

dustybin:

:P

[10:30:57]

orly_owl:

I'll assume that the free driver would be capable of 1920x1200 then.

[10:31:00]

justinh:

time to bump that thread. nobody has replied to it yet

[10:31:11]

mzb_d800:

ooh ... Jarre

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justinh:

oh wicked. so many nuvola icons are available as svg, so I can finally lay those nasty rescaled mythcenter watermarks to rest!

[10:35:37]

dustybin:

justinh: do i need to install xmltv for the icon grabber to show up?

[10:35:48]

dustybin:

or some special part of it

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jblack:

Huh, the foxconn problem wasn't a foxconn problem at all.

[10:36:16]

justinh:

dustybin: no

[10:36:27]

justinh:

it's in mythtv-setup somewhere

[10:36:34]

dustybin:

i cannot see much inside Video sources or input connections

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justinh:

channel editor perhaps?

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dustybin:

wow

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dustybin:

icon download!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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directhex:

justinh, but you hate svg. you moan, every time someone mentions svg, "not over my dead body"

[10:37:22]

justinh:

it's almost as if nobody told you it was possible, dustybin :-\

[10:37:37]

dustybin:

bloody heck it work

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justinh:

directhex: svg is great for source images though

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dustybin:

s

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directhex:

dustybin, not for BBC, IME

[10:38:18]

justinh:

and it doesn't matter if theme images are SVG in themes or not – they'll end up as bitmaps anyway

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dustybin:

EIT look so much nicer, less text looks sooo much better on OSD

[10:38:55]

directhex:

yay for bitmaps

[10:38:59]

dustybin:

otherwise it just overflows

[10:39:20]

directhex:

*fuck* bitmaps, *fuck* qt, render everything with gl & use damned compressed textures

[10:39:41]

dustybin:

hmm theres a LOT of this:

[10:39:42]

dustybin:

Server returned an error status code 404 for url: http://lyngsat-logo.com/logo/radio/ss/smash_hits_radio.jpg

[10:40:04]

justinh:

dustybin: you don't seriously use that channel do you? :-P

[10:40:17]

justinh:

directhex: okay. you write the patches then

[10:40:28]

dustybin:

justinh: not just that, LOTS more

[10:40:41]

dustybin:

even my favourite channel

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directhex:

justinh, yep. write patches, have different opinions to core dev, watch patches fester and die in trac

[10:40:50]

justinh:

ITV2? tikes

[10:40:52]

dustybin:

Server returned an error status code 404 for url: http://lyngsat-logo.com/logo/tv/pp/price_drop_tv.jpg

[10:40:55]

dustybin:

:-(

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justinh:

directhex: love open source :)

[10:41:24]

justinh:

s/source/sores

[10:41:34]

** directhex sends justinh back to the register **

[10:41:54]

justinh:

you mean OSS isn't all full of free love after all? ;)

[10:49:49]

mzb_d800:

you must be buying yours from the wrong place ;)

[10:50:35]

jblack:

wow, that guy is a jackass

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dustybin:

private:~#

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dustybin:

public:/#

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dustybin:

now thats what i call a server :-)

[11:18:59]

dustybin:

Hostname: private – OS: Linux 2.6.25-2-vserver-686/i686 – CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.087 MHz) – Processes: 148 – Uptime: 3h 49m – Load Average: 0.82 – Memory Usage: 353.19MB/1011.51MB (34.92%) – Disk Usage: 218.64GB/1363.24GB (16.04%)

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justinh:

fascinating

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troldrik:

So how the fsck do I switch to a 1080i at run time?

[11:32:32]

troldrik:

1080i mode rather.

[11:33:04]

troldrik:

xrandr only lets me do 1080p modes afaict.

[11:33:47]

andycaz:

My hauppauge hvr-1110 is always busy. When i put it in the first time, i could watch some dvb-t streams and scan them. After reboot every app keeps complaining that the device is in use or busy. dmesg shows that the modules and firmware are loaded correctly. Ive done ls /dev/dvb and adapter0 is there with frontend0 in it

[11:34:03]

andycaz:

Im using ubuntu 8.04 distro

[11:34:19]

andycaz:

i found nothing useful in dmesg or /var/log/messages

[11:35:09]

laga:

is mythbackend running?

[11:35:22]

andycaz:

i dont know, maybe

[11:35:50]

andycaz:

eh

[11:36:07]

andycaz:

yup, right after i killed it i could watch a stream again

[11:37:01]

justinh:

wow who'd have thunk it. mythbackend tying up a tuner

[11:37:32]

andycaz:

Damnit, now the xine keeps crashing when i want to watch something, i think its missing a plugin

[11:37:35]

andycaz:

worked before tho

[11:37:49]

justinh:

I think I read somewhere that there's an option in mythtv-setup to use DVB tuners on demand rather than tie them up 24/7

[11:38:17]

justinh:

but then it still won't be able to tell when you want to use the card in another app.

[11:38:44]

justinh:

troldrik: let mythtv do the deinterlacing

[11:39:23]

troldrik:

justinh: cpu is too slow.

[11:39:33]

justinh:

awww

[11:43:08]

justinh:

anyway, you know that even if you manage to get X to work in an interlaced mode, there's only a 50–50 chance it'll display the video fields in the right order, don't you?

[11:43:18]

troldrik:

Details

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johnf1911:

justinh: we want a link!

[11:43:52]

troldrik:

Besides I'm using mplayer.

[11:44:10]

johnf1911:

mplayer, but it's got the slackest playback loop in town!

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andycaz:

I keep getting timeouts when trying to scan channels.conf with mythtv?

[11:46:17]

justinh:

link?

[11:46:50]

justinh:

an effing cattleprod is needed, not a link

[11:48:16]

justinh:

fwiw, interlaced video with the fields in the wrong order looks worse than interlacing artifacts in a progressive mode

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troldrik:

That's nice.

[11:50:20]

johnf1911:

justinh: so, er, you don't have a link that talks about the 50/50 chance of getting the fields in the right order?

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troldrik:

NTSC and PAL use different orders... odd or even first... forget which is which.

[11:51:47]

troldrik:

Now if Sony were SMRT, they'd make the 50i mode PAL order and 60i NTSC order.

[11:52:28]

justinh:

ah but there's no mechanism with which the video player can determine which frame is being drawn

[11:52:34]

justinh:

hence the 50–50 chance :)

[11:53:06]

troldrik:

Ah.

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johnf1911:

justinh: how does broadcast TV get them in the right order?

[11:54:05]

justinh:

johnf1911: timing pulses differentiate which field is which

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justinh:

and markings in the stream#

[11:54:54]

justinh:

but if the video driver isn't able to tell the video player software which field it's currently doing, there's no way to get them in sync

[11:56:06]

justinh:

so X might be drawing the odd field when playback starts on an even field, or vice versa. you have a 50–50 chance of starting playback on the right output field

[11:57:44]

johnf1911:

;_;

[11:59:03]

justinh:

AFAIK the only linux drivers for a video card which could do interlaced video properly were for Matrox – and even then they were just framebuffers

[11:59:46]

justinh:

well, those and PVR350 cards & those awful 'fully-features' DVB tuner cards

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justinh:

certainly no HD output

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laga:

well, there is this card that can do HD output.. it's called "reel HD extension"

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justinh:

not that it's a driver issue on Nvidia/intel/via/ati anyway. AFAIK they don't implement field order in hardware

[12:02:11]

justinh:

and that reel HD thingy only goes up to 1080i

[12:02:32]

justinh:

fine for broadcast. not so good for material from those blue discs

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justinh:

laga: get some of them to myth & ffmpeg developers :D maybe something could be done

[12:14:34]

laga:

ha.

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laga:

the VDR guys seem to like thenm

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johnf1911:

VDR?

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laga:

klaus schmidinger's video disk rekorder

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justinh:

like mythtv, except it's all in one box or else. oh and lacking a lot of cool $stuff

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justinh:

unless by 'cool stuff' you mean illegal things

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** jduggan_ scoffs Jam on Toast **

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laga:

i wasn't aware that VDR shipped with illegal stuff by default ;)

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** laga afk **

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justinh:

heh maybe not – but it's true that searching for illegal things on linux returns more results which mention VDR ;)

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mzb_d800:

different EU, I guess

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justinh:

well, time to do stuff

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orly_owl:

damn a PVR-350 is expensive :/

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orly_owl:

Are there any half height PCI DVB-T tuner cards?

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mzb_d800:

I think there's a DVICO one

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andycaz:

im stuck: im trying to get xmltv guide to work, after i used xmltv for estonia (kava.ee), it freezes at 50% and in terminal it says: Root URL for grabbing data: [http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/] when i try to go to that url, it says forbidden

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andycaz:

this web has all correct links for the channels but how can i manually feed them? http://xmltv.kava.ee/

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mzb_d800:

Avermedia, Twinhan Mini Ter, Dvico Fusion Plus ...

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mzb_d800:

and possibly Hauppauge WinTV HVR 1100

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andycaz:

anyone? please. Can i set xmltv grabber address manually for each channel?

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dustybin:

some women put a 26" TV on sale what was actually 24" after i requested the model number, here is her response:

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dustybin:

sorry i didnt realise i was talking to the one person in the world thats never made a mistake oops sorry i will reserve only perfection for you in future. now i have changed my advert to the new sizes and i have personally apologised to you as obviously i knew it was 24 and not 26 so i listed it on purpose im sorry if i offended you i was just stating the fact that if it doesnt suit your requirements now its 2 inches smaller then you should n

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dustybin:

...imagine being married to that

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** dustybin shudders **

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andycaz:

shit... What can i do about that xmltv?

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orly_owl:

Would a VGA to composite adapter provide good video quality at 720x576?

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beoba:

shouldnt it be #mythtv and #mythtv-dev?

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andycaz:

can i fetch a specific xmltv url for a single channel?

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laga:

what is a xmltv url?

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andycaz:

its for epg guides

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andycaz:

could someone please give me their ~/.mythtv/****.xmltv ?

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laga:

that's specific for your grabber

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andycaz:

I need to analyze the file and maybe try put the .xml urls myself manually

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laga:

andycaz: unless you find a guide that tells you how to use the source with mythtv, you'll need to download these files manually and use tv_cat to concatenate them

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laga:

mythfilldatabase --file to load them into your DB

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laga:

also see mythfilldatabase --help

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andycaz:

laga: So youre telling me to keep downloading these xmls till the rest of my life manually? No way man...

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andycaz:

I just want to see the xmltv file which is being used by mythtv

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beoba:

ive noticed that the file browser only refreshes when you completely exit and reenter it — is there a way to have it instead refresh a directory when that directory is reopened?

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beoba:

(ie browse out of a directory then reenter without having to exit the whole browser)

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andycaz:

Guys, could anyone let me see your xmltv guide file? Its in ~/.mythtv/***.xmltv

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nordle:

andycaz: which country are you?

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andycaz:

nordle: estonia

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nordle:

andycaz: I'm in UK ( http://pastebin.ca/1182429 )

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andycaz:

well yeah, that didnt help me at all.. I need to find out where does it store the .xml url so that i can fetch the correct url myself

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leachim6:

hey

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leachim6:

has anyone gotten an saa7134 card to work ?

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leachim6:

this seems to be the bcm43xx of tv cards :(

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andycaz:

Anyone knows where mythtv gets its guide xml addresses after using xmltv grab program?

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laga:

you fail to understand how xmltv works

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ajh:

SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/mythtv1' does not exist!

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ajh:

SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/mythtv1' does not exist!

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ajh:

SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/mythtv1' does not exist!

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ajh:

SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/mythtv1' does not exist!

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ajh:

SG(Default) Error: FindNextDirMostFree: '/var/mythtv1' does not exist!

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ajh:

oops. :)

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ajh:

Uh, any idea what that means?

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ajh:

and obviously it doesn't mean what it says because the directory exists and has been in use fine.

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nordle:

ajh: possibly permissions have changed?

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ajh:

Nope.

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ajh:

actually, yes, something removed group permissions on it... nothing I did though... very odd.

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ajh:

actually, yes, something removed group permissions on it... nothing I did though... very odd.

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ajh:

Something has made this box, very very unhappy.

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hume:

hello....i am running ubuntu – what do I need to install to my frontend to have a "mythtv" session (without full gnome)

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hume:

i tried install mythbuntu, but that just messed up my log in, seemed to start 2 X sessions...

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mzb_d800:

has anyone noticed duplicate recording entries when doing multiple recordings on the same channel? [0.21-fixes]

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mzb_d800:

(multiple overlapping)

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ajh:

Looks like it might be time to re-install myth from scratch, it seems very very unhappy.

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andycaz:

cant i delete a single channel from "channel editor"?

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hume:

anyone knows about mythtv-sessions? what would I need to do to have a "mythtv"-session, no gnome?

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andycaz:

are there such things as EPG cache? Because my guide is all fucked up

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wagnerrp:

hume: considering youre calling them 'sessions', i assume you dont know linux outside of ubuntu and gnome

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wagnerrp:

is this going to be a dedicated mythtv box?

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hume:

wagnerrp, well.... i know some about linux, and actually, I just found what I was looking for, in the package ubuntu-mythtv-frontend – there is an openbox X-session configured for just running mythtv, which was what I was looking for (without configuring it myself)

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wagnerrp:

or is this a desktop, that you want to be able to log off, and transition to mythtv being the only active application?

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hume:

it is going to be an autologin to myth, and on log off, a timed log in to gnome...

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hume:

wagner, second description sounds rignt

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hume:

right

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wagnerrp:

so you boot up the computer, it goes to mythtv, but you can log off and start a real desktop

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wagnerrp:

im not quite sure how to do it, but look around for having GDM auto-login

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hume:

right, and I use gnomes Log in-screen settings, the autologin section

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wagnerrp:

also, you technically dont *need* a window manager, but it saves a lot of headache

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wagnerrp:

so if you dont want to use the full gnome, evilwm and ratpoison are usually good suggestions

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hume:

ok

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wagnerrp:

now youll have to edit your ~/.xsession file to start up mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you want it to be the last application called, so when it exists, it terminates your GDM session, and takes you back to the login screen

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andycaz:

okay i just tried to add a new channel xml to my ~/.mythtv/grabber.xmltv and i added that ID to my channel but mythfilldatabse gives me "Missing channel: 8.xmltv.kava.ee"? Are there more xmltv config files? I searched through mysql and didnt find anything

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wagnerrp:

huh... my laptop doesnt seem to have that file

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andycaz:

it has a different name

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andycaz:

depending on your channel name or whatever.. just look for .xmltv

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wagnerrp:

ah, on mine, its ~/.Xclients

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you want to put the applications you want to run inside that file

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wagnerrp:

so something like...

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wagnerrp:

/usr/bin/evilwm

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wagnerrp:

/usr/bin/mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

actually, you need a '&' after the evilwam

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wagnerrp:

you want whatever window manager youre using to fork into the background, and have the frontend being the last application in the script

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wagnerrp:

the frontend exists, the script finishes, and it automatically logs off

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andycaz:

shit... well anyone know how to add custom xmltv feeds?

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gbee:

given how popular vpns are these days I thought there might at least be a GUI tool for setup of a openvpn server :(

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Dibblah:

You do need a WM.

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Dibblah:

If you don't have one, you will experience random focus issues.

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Dibblah:

Or did under QT3, at least.

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wagnerrp:

you do not need a wm

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wagnerrp:

but chances are you wont be happy without one

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laga:

gbee: i bought an openvpn book a few months ago.. i still haven't set up a VPN ;)

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Dibblah:

That's like saying you don't need an XV accelerating video card. Technically true, but...

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

gbee: i see a handful of web admin type programs for openvpn

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gbee:

laga: heh, it would be so much easier if I could properly vpn over ssh, since I've already got that setup, the keys distributed etc

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laga:

yeah, that would be nice.

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wagnerrp:

gbee: why cant you, our admin set up an ssh-based VPN between our site and main campus

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gbee:

wagnerrp: might end up using webmin, just thought there might be something else – Mandriva ships with a custom tool for configuring clients, just not the server

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wagnerrp:

it just forwards all traffic sent to it over the link

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laga:

my school uses a cisco vpn setup which doesn't work properly with linux (binary-only kernel module – wtf?!), so i'll set up a vpn to my home network

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wagnerrp:

laga: my school uses a cisco vpn setup too... check out vpnc

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gbee:

wagnerrp: all the ssh vpn stuff I've read actually makes it seem that much harder, more steps and hacks to get it working like a normal vpn

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laga:

wagnerrp: that works, kinda, but the password is transmitted unencrypted AFAIK

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wagnerrp:

gbee: well it doesnt really work like a normal vpn, our office is effectively NATted, with other funky issues

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gbee:

looking at a static key solution right now, seems the easiest way to get a small vpn up and running – but doubles the security risks by requiring both ssh and vpn apps to be accessible from the net :(

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wagnerrp:

vpnc uses an unencrypted group password

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wagnerrp:

but decrypting a group password is trivial anyway

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justinh:

andycaz: have you ever tried pressing D in mythtv-setup's channel editor? The word 'delete' begins with the letter D. I read that somewhere

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wagnerrp:

D or d?

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gbee:

I really only want vpn for mail, might just be easier to setup a ssh tunnel which works both instead and outside the local network ...

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andycaz:

justinh: thats not the main issue, im trying to get my xmltv feed working

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wagnerrp:

gbee: your personal mail server?

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andycaz:

where the hell does it keep its configuration files for channels? In ~/.mythtv/.xmltv it keeps the feeds that i want – but where are the correct urls for them?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: all my mail gets downloaded to a local imap server where it can then be accessed from any machine on the network

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andycaz:

I tried searching thru mysql databases but found nothing containing xmltv

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justinh:

andycaz: well, each channel needs to have an xmltvid in the channel table, and your grabber keeps a list in ~/.mythtv/$nameofvideosource.xmltv

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wagnerrp:

gbee: so use encrypted IMAP

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wagnerrp:

i use unencrypted locally, but only the encrypted server is accessible from outside my network

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andycaz:

justinh: yes i found the list, but there has to be some other file where it keeps the real xml url to grab data from

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justinh:

the grabber looks in the list, and mythfilldatabase hooks the output of the grabber into the program table. It knows which data is for which channel because of the xmltvid field in the channel table

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wagnerrp:

ive not tried any other servers, but courier does it without much effort

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justinh:

every grabber should have a file called channel_ids in /usr/(local/)share/xmltv/$grabber_name/channel_ids

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gbee:

wagnerrp: well that's fine, until you consider that I'd be unnecessarily routing mail around the net with the lag and delays that result from that if I'm using my laptop locally (don't want to keep switching the server ip in the mail client)

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justinh:

or you can run your grabber with an option to list all channels & xmltvids

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justinh:

of course it's much easier just to configure the grabber properly in the very first instance during mythtv-setup but hey

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wagnerrp:

gbee: so set up a DNS server

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gbee:

plus much like vpn it means having another port open and another application net facing, I'd rather just have ssh – single point of weakness etc

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wagnerrp:

internally, my mail hostname resolves to its local IP

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andycaz:

justinh: the channel.xml.gz is old – therefor i cannot accept the grabber default

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wagnerrp:

external, my internt IP...

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justinh:

andycaz: you have to use whatever the version of the grabber you're using needs or it won't know how to mesh stuff together

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wagnerrp:

i just like to avoid VPNs whenever possible, because you cut off access to the local network when you connect to one

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andycaz:

justinh: the grabber is working like it should, its the channel list that is outdated

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gbee:

I not long ago dropped using my own dns, got tired of running all these servers that I didn't really need :)

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justinh:

all the xmltvid is, is a unique identifier for every channel

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justinh:

andycaz: so update to a newer version of your grabber

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andycaz:

justinh: i dont have the access to channel.xml.gz

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justinh:

what? every grabber has to come with a list of channels & their associated xmltvids

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andycaz:

justinh: the channels are here: http://xmltv.kava.ee/

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justinh:

otherwise how would it be able to work?

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andycaz:

justinh: oh you mean inside the grabber's code?

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justinh:

on my box, I use tv_grab_uk_rt

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andycaz:

justinh: I use tv_grab_ee

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andycaz:

you can check out the code yourself

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justinh:

the file containing all the channels & xmltvids lives at /usr/share/xmltv/tv_grab_uk_rt/channel_ids

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justinh:

well, if they do anything else maybe you have to look in the grabber code to find out what all the channels' xmltvids are

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justinh:

or else run the grabber with --help and find out what the option is to force the grabber to list them itself

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justinh:

I think it _should_ have an option to do that

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justinh:

if not, it's retarded

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andycaz:

justinh: My grabber takes the channels from here: http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/channels.xml.gz

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andycaz:

but the damn file is old now

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justinh:

ok

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justinh:

so who maintains it?

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justinh:

go bang on their door

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andycaz:

some guy named "cougar"

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andycaz:

ive sent 3 emails to him, he never replies

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justinh:

storing an up to date list online isn't a bad idea if it's kept up to date & existing IDs don't change ;)

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justinh:

other than editing the grabber script to use a local copy might not be difficult

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justinh:

but then, you'd become the maintainer of the script :P

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andycaz:

its quite impossible, i looked at the code and i didnt understand anything

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andycaz:

Im thinking about using some sort of a vhost or something so i can direct his url to my apache website

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andycaz:

i dont know if you have it, but maybe you could check it: /usr/bin/tv_grab_ee

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justinh:

so hang on a sec.

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justinh:

are you saying the channel list is out of date in terms of the channels you can receive?

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andycaz:

yes

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justinh:

do you know if the listings source tv_grab_ee uses for its data actually carries information for the channels you are missing?

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andycaz:

yes

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andycaz:

for example: http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/6_channeldata.xml

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andycaz:

this is for "tv6", which isnt on the channel list

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gbee:

Cougar should have changed it to use supplement.xmltv.org instead

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justinh:

right. in tv_grab_ee there's a line which goes like this:

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justinh:

my $default_root_url = 'http://xmltv.kava.ee/files';

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justinh:

you could put your own more up to date file on your own server – or indeed anywhere else

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justinh:

as long as it's in the right format. and that'll fix you for now

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andycaz:

Ill try it, thanks

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justinh:

wow. not many channels

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justinh:

so who runs kava.ee ?

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justinh:

ah. there might be a problem with changing that line on its own

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justinh:

yup

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andycaz:

whats the problem?

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justinh:

ugh. and there's some channel remapping done in the script

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justinh:

the problem is if you change the $default_root_url not only would it look in a different place for the .gz file it'll also look there for all the xml files

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andycaz:

i thought that would happen

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justinh:

if you really want to dig in & hack the grabber script it wouldn't be impossible but maybe it'd be better just to wait for it to be updated

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andycaz:

okay, i guess i can wait

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justinh:

how out of date is the file anyway?

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andycaz:

hmm... about 6 months i think

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justinh:

oof

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andycaz:

Maybe the creator died or something

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justinh:

does a Cougar have any natural predators? ;)

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andycaz:

But then again, there are updated xml-s on site...

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andycaz:

justinh: but wouldnt it be possible to change the channel list after it has fetched them?

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andycaz:

It has to store the channel list somewhere, right?

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justinh:

yup

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andycaz:

but where?

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zavex:

I was looking for the playback overscan settings, but can't seem to find them. Anyone know where they are?

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zavex:

I am running trunk if that makes a difference

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iamlindoro_:

TV Settings, Playback, top of page two

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zavex:

thanks, i see them now

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iamlindoro_:

np

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zavex:

called scaling

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iamlindoro_:

yup

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nordle:

guys, its been nearly 2 weeks, still faffing trying to get live tv. But thats for later, at the moment the backend is being hammered and impeding progress. Its the housekeeping, trying to delete files for channid's that no longer exist. Do I need some sort of db re-build?

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justinh:

what? two weeks?

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justinh:

andycaz: well, I would help but I'm short of time at the mo

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justinh:

I'd have given up after just one week nordle

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justinh:

anyway, I remember your nick from more than 2 weeks ago so I know you've had it working before :P

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justinh:

fwiw nordle I would just flatten it & go with mythbuntu or knoppmyth. and a damn good dose of reading

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justinh:

mythtv has been said to be akin to a hobby, not a lifetime's quest

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justinh:

if it's taking that much figuring out, maybe that's a sign

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justinh:

and andycaz – $home/.xmltv/cache would be where it keeps the temp files. it's in the code

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justinh:

get_default_cachedir kind of gives it away

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Easy_Rider9999:

is it possible to give mythbackend a higher priority so that recordings cant get interrupted?

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justinh:

interrupted by what?

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Easy_Rider9999:

by other programs

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tank-man:

are your recordings getting interruppeted?

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iamlindoro_:

The simpler solution is to dump the framegrabber sio that mythbackend only takes a few percent

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Easy_Rider9999:

I have the problem that sometimes there are a lot of dropped frames in my recordings. I use a framegrabber

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justinh:

andycaz: the line my $compressed = get($conf->{'root-url'}->[0] . '/channels.xml.gz') could be changed to my $compressed = get('http://where_the_gz_file_is.gz')

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justinh:

the simpler solution would be to go with a tuner card which isn't simply _cheap_ :P

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Easy_Rider9999:

dump framegrabber? This will cause my HD getting full

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justinh:

damn. my niceguy act only lasted like 20 hours

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iamlindoro_:

hardware encoders don't necessarily take any more space than framegrabber recordings

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justinh:

Easy_Rider9999: no, I mean dump the lame tuner card in the bin & get one with an mpeg encoder onboard, or else join the digital TV revolution

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Easy_Rider9999:

I had about 30 good recordings with my frame grabber but suddently frames are dropped.....

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justinh:

overheating? low on HDD space?

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justinh:

out of ram for some reason?

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iamlindoro_:

You'll have better luck getting us to troubleshoot your Air Conditioning than a framegrabber, as most of us who are sensisble threw them out long ago

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justinh:

I threw out three one day

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iamlindoro_:

I actually found an original WinTV board in my closet this last week... I think I just put it back in the box I found it in

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Easy_Rider9999:

I could check for overheating, but ram and hdd space are not the problem. I thought about buying a pvr 150 but I dont want to do this configuration stuff once again, my card was working pretty fine

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my2keh:

anyone know how to troubleshoot a audio static issue?

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justinh:

digital, analogue? framegrabber? QUE?

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my2keh:

justinh>> is that for me?

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justinh:

no it was for the man in the moon

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Easy_Rider9999:

Terratec Cynergy 200

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my2keh:

LOL pretty sensitive

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nordle:

I know justinh has left, but I've been using this box for 2 years and upgraded it through 2 versions and 2 OS versions, so I'm not giving up. And yes its 2 weeks, but its not constant. I assume this is bad: http://pastebin.ca/1182556

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my2keh:

segfaults aren't the best

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nordle:

:)

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nordle:

I guess the os upgrades didn't go to plan maybe.

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my2keh:

i did a fresh install

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nordle:

I want to cry if I do a fresh install. This box has been customised ALOT over 2 years.... but I guess I might have to.

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nordle:

I can watch the channels.conf via xine no problem, so its definitely something wrong with mythtv

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my2keh:

just make a backup of the files you changed

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nordle:

true, I'm going to crack on a little longer and see if there's any progress.....otherwise, I know what I'm doing tomorrow and the next day now :)

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my2keh:

gives you something to keep you busy

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my2keh:

heh

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nordle:

:)

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nordle:

I'm not a massive debian fan, but then I'm not a fan of anything other than Slackware because I can't use anything else. But I guess mythbuntu is a good place to start.

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justinh:

</timeout>

[18:26:19]

justinh:

andycaz: you worked it out yet?

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andycaz:

justinh: nope, got syntax errors

[18:35:17]

justinh:

well gimme a couple of mins

[18:35:31]

justinh:

is channel 6 the only one missing?

[18:35:46]

justinh:

I've added it here for the time being, going to try it shortly

[18:35:49]

andycaz:

nope, there is tv6, kanal11 and kalev sport

[18:36:09]

justinh:

one thing though – if I fix this, I do not want to wind up being the tv_grab_ee maintainer! ;)

[18:36:30]

andycaz:

sure, no problem

[18:36:52]

andycaz:

Im sure that the original author will fix the file soon... just matter of time

[18:41:19]

andycaz:

wait uhm...

[18:42:04]

andycaz:

I changed the root dir to /usr/share/ and i put the channels.xml.gz in there and it got it i think... ill try editing the file and see if it can fetch other channels too besides originals

[18:43:28]

andycaz:

blah, nothing.. Failed to fetch /usr/share/channels.xml.gz at ./testgrab line 285.

[18:44:36]

iamlindoro_:

iamlindoro@justinh-brain:~$ sudo modprobe evil_bastard

[18:45:08]

iamlindoro_:

cat #mythtv-users > /dev/surly

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justinh:

andycaz: making progress here

[18:47:43]

justinh:

gimme a while longer

[18:47:57]

andycaz:

justinh: Sure thing – and thanks!

[18:48:52]

justinh:

andycaz: do you have the xmltvids of the other channels? I have 6.xmltv.etc – what are the others?

[18:49:19]

justinh:

also, the grabber remaps channel numbers, so if you know the channel numbers of the other channels that would help

[18:49:52]

justinh:

if the server allowed a directory listing I could find out myself :P

[18:50:10]

andycaz:

6.xmltv.kava.ee -tv6, 10.xmltv.kava.ee – kanal11, 8.xmltv.kava.ee – kalev sport

[18:50:33]

justinh:

kk

[18:53:12]

justinh:

right you have an updated channels.xml.gz at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/channels.xml.gz

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justinh:

tv_grab_ee is now listing the channels now that I've put an alternative URL inside the script

[18:54:24]

justinh:

so now I think all I need are the channel numbers of those three channels – IF they're different from 6, 10 & 8

[18:55:10]

andycaz:

they are the same

[18:55:12]

justinh:

I'll run --configure, make a config file with one channel at a time & see if the shows match up

[18:55:15]

justinh:

cool

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justinh:

got data for 10

[18:57:02]

andycaz:

awsome

[18:59:59]

justinh:

8 isn't working at all

[19:01:16]

andycaz:

oh :(

[19:03:01]

justinh:

something wrong with something somewhere: Failed to fetch http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/8.xmltv.xmltv.kava.ee_channeldata.xml

[19:03:15]

justinh:

I can probably fix that but right now I need to take a dog for walkies

[19:03:31]

andycaz:

should be: http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/8_channeldata.xml

[19:03:37]

andycaz:

Okay, sure thing, i can wait

[19:03:40]

justinh:

I know :)

[19:03:47]

justinh:

know what it _should_ be ;)

[19:03:58]

andycaz:

:)

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troldrik:

Can you get the osd theme to render at something higher than 640x480? :/

[19:06:55]

wagnerrp:

(if youre using the QT painter) the osd renders at the video resolution

[19:08:06]

troldrik:

And if I use the gl ui?

[19:08:17]

wagnerrp:

it renders at the display resolution

[19:10:34]

troldrik:

Still 640x480

[19:11:02]

troldrik:

xv-blit video fwiw.

[19:11:30]

wagnerrp:

how do you know its rendering at 640x480?

[19:11:49]

troldrik:

2008-08–23 21:11:39.965 OSD Theme Dimensions W: 640 H: 480

[19:12:35]

wagnerrp:

oh, thats just the resolution of the base images

[19:12:54]

wagnerrp:

4:3 themes are designed to 640x480, 16:9 themes are designed to 1280x720

[19:14:03]

wagnerrp:

you actually just missed justinh

[19:14:24]

wagnerrp:

if you wait until he gets back, he'll either confirm that, or call me an idoit... :)

[19:14:58]

justinh:

4:3 themes have a base of 800x600

[19:15:11]

wagnerrp:

short walk

[19:15:36]

justinh:

the OSD res is a base res of 640x480 but it might still be scaled to the video resolution – as in the res of the video playing

[19:15:49]

justinh:

one of the video renderers fixes that IIRC, not sure

[19:16:08]

troldrik:

Why the hell don't they render it to display res?

[19:16:29]

justinh:

or maybe the change where it can have a different base res has been done already, I'm not sure

[19:16:59]

justinh:

troldrik: it might be with one of the video renderers. I'm out of sync with some of that

[19:17:17]

justinh:

or it might only have been in the mythtv-vid branch I'm not sure

[19:17:26]

troldrik:

gl render doesn't work more than once for me.

[19:17:37]

justinh:

nvidia driver bug heh

[19:17:48]

troldrik:

Yeah. xid in xorg.log.

[19:18:01]

troldrik:

Is there a workaround? :p

[19:19:35]

justinh:

don't know

[19:19:38]

troldrik:

And wth is the osd selector in 0.21.

[19:19:45]

troldrik:

osd theme*

[19:19:49]

justinh:

andycaz: anyway, good news I think I know what the problem is

[19:20:17]

justinh:

troldrik: tv settings

[19:20:43]

troldrik:

Then what? General?

[19:20:53]

troldrik:

zogm I am blind.

[19:20:58]

troldrik:

Playback OSD...

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iamlindoro_:

hahaha

[19:21:09]

iamlindoro_:

I was going to tease you but you took care of it yourself :)

[19:21:29]

iamlindoro_:

gotta respect someone who doesn't let anyone else get there first

[19:21:31]

justinh:

troldrik: feel free to trout yourself :P

[19:21:49]

justinh:

hahaha I messed up the channels.xml file. derrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[19:22:04]

justinh:

and I've not yet had the scrumpy I brought back from Cornwall. meh

[19:22:26]

justinh:

hold that ticker-tape parade in Estonia, andycaz :P

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justinh:

hrm. still only 6 is working

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justinh:

it's still messing up the URL for 8 & 10 but I don't know why. the URLs in the channels.xml are correct

[19:33:46]

justinh:

it's time for all the frickin red used to represent GOOD things in mythtv to be ABOLISHED!

[19:34:21]

justinh:

my wife has just been complaining she scheduled some recordings from the EPG but they show red dots. red == BAD ;)

[19:34:54]

iamlindoro_:

Probably legacy from the classic VCR Red record button

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andycaz:

justinh: sorry was away for a bit

[19:41:21]

justinh:

andycaz: remind me what the URL is to download the data for 10

[19:41:38]

andycaz:

http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/10_channeldata.xml

[19:41:43]

justinh:

ah right

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iamlindoro_:

I say move. I mean come on, aside from beautiful intelligent multilingual blonde chicks who will screw your brains out, what has Estonia got?

[19:42:21]

justinh:

so somehow the grabber script isn't stripping out .xmltv.kava.ee

[19:42:41]

** justinh books a one-way flight **

[19:45:00]

justinh:

now only 10 is working. wtf is going on here?

[19:46:01]

andycaz:

Eh, no idea :P

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justinh:

--list-channels is producing a valid looking xml file with good xmltvids

[19:46:44]

andycaz:

but?

[19:47:18]

justinh:

some how the part of the script which strips out the .xmltv.kava.ee is broken for 2 channels

[19:49:18]

andycaz:

but you got 6 working before

[19:49:31]

justinh:

yeah but that was just when I only added 6

[19:49:59]

andycaz:

hm

[19:53:14]

justinh:

the original file is in DOS format apparently. wonder if that has any bearing on things

[19:53:30]

justinh:

I wish I had stronger regex-fu

[19:54:13]

justinh:

it isn't saying the channels don't exist, that much I know

[19:54:27]

justinh:

it says Failed to fetch http://xmltv.kava.ee/files/8.xmltv.xmltv.kava.ee_channeldata.xml

[19:54:44]

justinh:

er.. minus one .xmltv ;)

[19:55:02]

justinh:

oh nuts!

[19:55:18]

andycaz:

Hmm? :)

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justinh:

TABS

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andycaz:

hehh, no wonder then :P

[19:56:03]

justinh:

that's bad script-fu, that is

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justinh:

nope. not the tabs

[19:58:57]

justinh:

anybody here know how to clear http::cache-transparent out?

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, can you tell me a little about what blackhole does in video-ui.xml?

[20:03:37]

justinh:

posters & stuff

[20:03:46]

justinh:

and formerly some text entry fields

[20:03:57]

iamlindoro_:

(am trying to learn some of the basic concepts by looking that the pieces of blootube)

[20:04:01]

iamlindoro_:

ah, I see, thanks

[20:04:07]

justinh:

iamlindoro_: they're gorn baby

[20:04:19]

justinh:

IIRC all of them were taken out

[20:04:23]

iamlindoro_:

ah, ok

[20:04:28]

justinh:

you sure you're looking at a 0.21 theme?

[20:04:32]

iamlindoro_:

I'll look at Mythcenters new video-xml instead

[20:04:41]

iamlindoro_:

er video-ui.xml

[20:04:50]

justinh:

sure I updated all the themes in /themes though

[20:05:13]

iamlindoro_:

It's probably been ages since I pulled them

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iamlindoro_:

(blackhole appears to still be in use in /themes, btw)

[20:06:41]

justinh:

bugger

[20:06:43]

justinh:

my $dataurl = $conf->{'root-url'}->[0] . '/' . $id . '_channeldata.xml';

[20:07:05]

justinh:

so whatever is grabbing $id is getting it wrong for two channels

[20:07:49]

andycaz:

Thank god the good news

[20:07:52]

justinh:

my $id = $channel_id) =~ s/^(\d\d).*/$1/;

[20:08:08]

justinh:

don't tell me I'm busting my nuts for nothing

[20:08:20]

justinh:

;)

[20:08:26]

justinh:

or please tell me I am :)

[20:08:47]

andycaz:

No man, you dont know how grateful i am.. I would have never been able to do such a thing myself

[20:08:51]

** justinh looks up what \d is **

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AndyCap:

justinh: numbers iirc

[20:12:05]

justinh:

\d\d would expect a 2 digit number, then

[20:12:23]

justinh:

effinelle

[20:12:53]

AndyCap:

he graps two digits from the beginning of the line. and replaces the line with the digits.

[20:13:08]

justinh:

oh crap. I need to change it to strip a leading zero

[20:13:32]

justinh:

or just get the id & strip at the first dot

[20:13:39]

justinh:

that'd make more sense I think

[20:13:46]

AndyCap:

Hmm, perl gets tricky there. with numbers as text in scalars

[20:14:32]

AndyCap:

perl -e '$crap="01" ; print $crap."\n"; '

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AndyCap:

$crap=~s/^0*// should work I guess

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inteliwasp:

for standard def tv, what is the memory size per hour?

[20:20:34]

inteliwasp:

tv*

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iamlindoro_:

entirely dependant on what bitrates you set

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AndyCap:

inteliwasp: I've heart 2GB+ per hour for mpeg2. but you can go over or under that.

[20:21:34]

iamlindoro_:

bitrate * number of seconds in an hour = size per hour

[20:22:06]

iamlindoro_:

where number of seconds per hour = 3600

[20:22:26]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro_: I'm working to increase that

[20:22:38]

justinh:

decided to go with stripping after the first dot

[20:22:47]

inteliwasp:

iamlindoro_: that assumes that i know the bitrate...

[20:22:52]

justinh:

but as always let down by my poor regex

[20:22:54]

iamlindoro_:

AndyCap, Oh, you're one of those "metric minute" hippies, eh?

[20:23:06]

AndyCap:

inteliwasp: you would be the one setting this up so you should know. :)

[20:23:13]

iamlindoro_:

inteliwasp, you *set* the bitrate if you're using anything but a digital tuner

[20:23:16]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro_: nah, I just want more time

[20:23:32]

iamlindoro_:

and if you are using a digital tuner, then you have no control and it will vary wildly from program to program

[20:23:51]

iamlindoro_:

so the answer is still "there's no answer to that question(as asked)"

[20:24:06]

inteliwasp:

well, what is a standard bitrate? also i need to figure out one for playback on a n800

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iamlindoro_:

no. such. Thing.

[20:24:46]

iamlindoro_:

somewhere above 0 kbit/s and below 19 megabit/s

[20:24:56]

inteliwasp:

figures, everyone wants thier own...

[20:25:26]

tank-man:

2gigs per hr for mpeg2 is a reasonable size to expect

[20:25:43]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro_: are you saying that mythtv stopped shipping recording profiles? :P

[20:25:47]

tank-man:

80megs per 30min of xvid maybe for your n800

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** inteliwasp need to get new HDDs then **

[20:25:58]

justinh:

got it: =~ s/\.(.*)//;

[20:26:05]

iamlindoro_:

AndyCap, I said nothing remotely like that

[20:26:57]

AndyCap:

I would say the recording profiles are fairly close to a standard set of bitrates for new users. :P

[20:27:14]

AndyCap:

digital tv exempted.

[20:27:26]

inteliwasp:

well that's one unknown item figured out ;)

[20:27:42]

iamlindoro_:

AndyCap, and I would say that just becuase myth has some default settings doesn't mean that there's such a thing as "the standard bitrate" for SD material

[20:27:54]

iamlindoro_:

default != standard

[20:28:14]

inteliwasp:

well all i need is a starting point

[20:28:29]

inteliwasp:

and a default setting is good for me atm

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iamlindoro_:

4500 kbit/s

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** iamlindoro_ is just going to start replying to arbitrary questions with arbitrary answers **

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: I think blackhole is going away in mythui. Pretty sure it was a hack and gbee has a better solution (but I don't have details or references).

[20:30:29]

iamlindoro_:

sphery, yeah, I sussed that out once I realized MythVideo wasn't MythUI yet :)

[20:30:37]

iamlindoro_:

thanks

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro_: or you could go get a coffee and shoot some rounds downrange or something.

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inteliwasp:

iamlindoro_: dont forget yoda speak

[20:31:26]

iamlindoro_:

kilobits in a second, 4500 it is

[20:31:38]

inteliwasp:

oh ya, did you see that systm had an episode on mythtv?

[20:31:44]

iamlindoro_:

expect not a standard, set it you do

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justinh:

andycaz: okay! this might work. try http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/ee_grabber.tar.gz

[20:33:38]

andycaz:

okay

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justinh:

I dunno why they didn't just strip on the first dot anyway

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** sphery remembers why he hasn't upgraded any Myth bits in over a year... **

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justinh:

so, what did you do on Saturday night? Oh the usual. Fixed Estonia's xmltv grabber :P

[20:35:14]

justinh:

s/Fixed/hacked

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sphery:

To convince a friend to switch to HDTV, I gave him my "hand-me down" Athlon X2 4800+/Mobo/RAM and got an Athlon X2 6000+/Mobo/Ram to replace it. Now I can't do timestretch (even 1.05x) without prebuffering pauses... :(

[20:35:31]

sphery:

I hate figuring out new hardware.

[20:36:28]

sphery:

Sad thing is he's getting timestretch 2x with the 4800+ (and I couldn't ever get above 1.5x with it) using the exact same software (image of my system)...

[20:36:49]

justinh:

sphery: ouch

[20:36:58]

sphery:

An ability to do higher timestretch was the whole reason I was able to rationalize the upgrade to a 6000+...

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justinh:

lesson to be learned there ;)

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sphery:

Might just wipe everything with a "new hardware" restore (using those fancy new scripts someone wrote ;)

[20:37:52]

sphery:

Yeah. Definitely shouldn't mess with a working system.

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sphery:

Tried 4 different sound cards and 2 different mobos, and it's the same.

[20:38:26]

justinh:

whoooo my brain is tired now. simple regex & I'm all burnt out

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justinh:

sphery: with my flea-pee-aye-ay board I found timestretch was always fine. it was 1x playback it had issues with :P

[20:39:01]

sphery:

"simple regex" is a nice oxymoron

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justinh:

I should know my regex inside out by now. every time I dig into perl I have to re-learn it

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sphery:

That makes 2 of us. And every time I re-learn it, I find something that I should have done differently before.

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iamlindoro_:

ach, at last I've made MythUI do something-- I guess I can stop telling myself how dumb I am

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andycaz:

justinh: thank you man, thank you so much!!! It works!!!!!!

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justinh:

andycaz: if that works for you, please send it to the xmltv-dev list – if only to make them aware the current version is broken. I wouldn't say my fix is the best way to do it but it seems to work. It should be possible to point the grabber at a local channels.xml file but I'd rather not do that myself ;)

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sphery:

I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit (sp?), people like me.

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andycaz:

justinh: Okay!

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justinh:

andycaz: you're welcome :D Kept me from going bog-eyed looking at theme xml files

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sphery:

that was for iamlindoro_ : I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and, doggonit (sp?), people like me.

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iamlindoro_:

heh

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petre:

All the recorded shows on my myth box don't show up under Recordings any more

[20:43:53]

iamlindoro_:

Three days of breaking the hell out of themes to finally make one screen do what I want it to do-- yay!

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justinh:

andycaz: next time anybody says I'm a grumpy c***, just tell em I _sometimes_ have my uses :P

[20:44:03]

petre:

but the files are still in /myth/tv

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sphery:

iamlindoro_: so now imagine what justinh went through... :)

[20:44:19]

justinh:

petre: did the backend hostname change hmm?

[20:44:31]

justinh:

sphery: yes :D

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andycaz:

justinh: You sure do, you're my hero! :P

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, ah, but he's probably got a stronger natural grasp of it than I :)

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justinh:

lol I wouldn't go that far

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petre:

justinh, nope

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petre:

nothing changed

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sphery:

petre: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Frequent . . . ecordings.3F

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petre:

it was working just a couple hours ago

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justinh:

doh

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petre:

There's about 200GB of recordings in /myth/tv

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justinh:

andycaz: I don't mind hosting the replacement channels.xml.gz file until it can be hosted properly elsewhere. if you want to change it, there's a new variable defined in the script – $alternative_gz_url

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sphery:

That's only about 25–30 hours, so no big deal... (at least on my HDTV system, it would be :)

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justinh:

andycaz: note the lack of a trailing / in that variable definition ;)

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justinh:

and remember, I am not the new maintainer of tv_grab_ee :D

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andycaz:

Yeah, sure thing :D

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andycaz:

Ill see if i cant contact the author

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andycaz:

can*

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justinh:

last thing I'd want is to end up maintaining a grabber script for somewhere I don't even live lol

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andycaz:

Well estonia is a nice place ;)

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petre:

sphery, okay, I just did what that link says, and the filters are set to show All Recordings

[20:49:26]

sphery:

iamlindoro_: MythTube guy mentioned a problem to gbee with only the selected element refreshing on scroll (i.e. you're at the bottom and go down or right and go right, and onlyl the icon you were on changes). They seem to have determined it was a qt painter bug, only

[20:49:50]

petre:

fwiw, I also run a mvpmc and it too shows no recordings

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sphery:

petre: and you're looking at the right DB?

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justinh:

petre: mysqlcheck

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sphery:

petre: or, better, optimize_mythdb.pl

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iamlindoro_:

sphery, yes, appears to be one and the same. Well, sort of. There is a refresh but the new refreshes over the old, so fi you have two images with differing aspect ratios.... you get soup

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sphery:

(optimize_mythdb.pl because it does it right and you don't have to learn all about command-line args, and if you run it we know it's not still not working because of invalid command-line args...)

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petre:

trying optimize_mythdb.pl now...

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petre:

does this take a while?

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justinh:

sphery: I always forget that one

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sphery:

no, only a few seconds on most

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sphery:

petre: should be less than a minute total

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petre:

hmm, box is a celeron with 1GB RAM, I think

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petre:

maybe 2GB

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sphery:

justinh: yeah, I just hate it when someone says, "I ran mysqlcheck and still have problems," and 30-replies later, you find out they ran mysqlcheck with the wrong args. :)

[20:52:34]

petre:

but the script is still running and I think it's been at least a minute

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sphery:

that may mean that your DB was really broken and it's getting really fixed

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petre:

althought I also have an ffmpeg command converting an .avi to a .vob

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petre:

so system may be a bit loaded atm

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justinh:

I used to do that. ahh mythtv the effort you save me :)

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petre:

correction: ffmpeg is finished, load avg is only 0.04

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sphery:

yeah, and if you've never run optimize_mythdb.pl, the analyze/optimize portions can take a while (and you may find your DB size on disk gets much smaller).

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sphery:

I run optimize_mythdb.pl in a daily cron (as suggested in the comments at the top), so my DB is always close to "perfection" :)

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petre:

I've never run optimize_mythdb.pl before and the box has been up for a year or so

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sphery:

timed it and got: real 0m39.200s

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sphery:

on an Athlon XP 2400+

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sphery:

petre: so, if this doesn't fix that issue, it should, at least, speed up your DB pretty nicely

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petre:

top shows mythbackend at the top of the list for cpu although it's taking only 1.9% of CPU and 2.9% of memory

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sphery:

are you sure the script is still running?

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petre:

but I'd think mysqldb would be showing up (?)

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sphery:

do you have a high io wait (wa)?

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petre:

yes, it's still running

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petre:

how do I check the io wait?

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sphery:

wa in top

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sphery:

top of top

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sphery:

Cpu(s): 4.0%us, 0.7%sy, 95.3%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st

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petre:

seems to jump back and forth between 0.3% and 2.0% and sometimes some numbers in between those

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sphery:

so, that's not the issue...

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sphery:

any output from the script?

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petre:

nope, cursors just sitting there on the next line

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petre:

cursor is

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sphery:

It's not running, then.

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sphery:

You should see something like: http://pastebin.ca/1182693

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sphery:

(but, probably without the time stuff)

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petre:

no, I'm not seeing anything--probably not a good sign

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sphery:

try: perl /path/to/optimize_mythdb.pl

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sphery:

ctrl-c the original

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petre:

does the same thing, cursor just sits there

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sphery:

and your DB is running?

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petre:

looks like it, ps -ef shows two lines about mysqld

[21:04:47]

petre:

but perhaps I should restart mythbackend?

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petre:

(which I think restarts the db, right?)

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sphery:

then I'm going back to my theory that your backend (and, therefore, frontend and optimize_mythdb.pl via the Perl bindings) is looking at the wrong DB.

[21:05:34]

sphery:

You'd have to restart mysqld to restart the DB.

[21:05:53]

sphery:

Might want to try a reboot (might be much easier than doing it all manually)

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iamlindoro_:

gallery-ui is definitely the screen to work on first, it seems. It's simple, and easy to understand.

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petre:

ok, rebooting

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sphery:

gl

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petre:

tx

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justinh:

you wuss iamlindoro_ :P

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, hey, gotta start somewhere. Sheesh, think you'd be happy someone but you is doing *something* :)

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justinh:

I'm all for people doing something, so long as it ain't batman or 'leafers'

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iamlindoro_:

I dunno what leafers is, but it ain't batman :)

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justinh:

anyway, so long as more than just theme.xml is edited, it counts as a theme in my book

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justinh:

:)

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justinh:

anything else is just... easy

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petre:

it's been >180 since last fsck, gonna take a while

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: seriously though.. anything you want a hand with just yell

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iamlindoro_:

justinh, Thanks-- you may end up regretting that, I feel very over my head :)

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justinh:

it's like that at first & it never goes away

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iamlindoro_:

but hey, I made the gallery work with reflecty things and a horizontal layout, so that's a start

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justinh:

if ui.xml gets rejiggled into smaller parts I'll be a very happy man

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justinh:

but I reserve all my hatred for archive-ui.xml

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justinh:

oh man

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justinh:

it's not complicated as such but bloody hell it's long-winded to test it

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iamlindoro_:

Heh-- I'll save it for last :)

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justinh:

I saved it for never

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iamlindoro_:

right now I'm just doing what I can manage, then I'll move on to what I can understand, and then I'll finish with what I must do :)

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petre:

hmm, / filled up, 100%

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petre:

all 4GB

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justinh:

petre: I hope you have a backup of your database

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justinh:

because when that happened to me I lost it

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petre:

probably not :-(

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justinh:

well, clear out some space from somewhere

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justinh:

stop mysql, stop mythbackend

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petre:

which partition is the db stored on?

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justinh:

normally / in /var somewhere

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Dispade1:

(You might want to boot from a CD and clear out some of /var and /tmp first, by the bye.)

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petre:

should I stop mythbackend before or after mysql?

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justinh:

before

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petre:

before, I'd think

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sphery:

petre: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Database_Backup_and_Restore

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sphery:

or http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.5

[21:20:06]

justinh:

hopefully the db didn't get unredeemably trashed

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justinh:

if it did, you're boned. unless you're good with dissecting mysql binary logs – which incidentally is probably how / got to be full

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sphery:

petre: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html (look at the first part--6, where it talks about log-bin)

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cesman:

petre: are you using KnoppMyth?

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petre:

cesman, yes

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cesman:

if / is full, my guess is some log is eating up the space

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petre:

doh! I have met the enemy and he is me!

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cesman:

I'd check ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log

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cesman:

if you run mythbackup, before it backs up, it will check and force a repair of the db ;)

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nordle:

Why are the chanid's in channel and program tables different? This is one reason I'm not getting seeing any program data. Is it because the channels were imported from a channels.conf file and the program data is taken from tv_grab_uk_rt?

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petre:

I forgot I copied a 700MB avi file to /home/petre and then created a 1.6GB vob file out of that

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petre:

Is anyone making a dual digital tuner card?

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justinh:

nordle: 1. why did you import a channels.conf file?

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iamlindoro_:

Hauppauge HVR-2250, but you'll probably want to be more specific about what flavor of digital...

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nordle:

justinh: Because I was getting zero lock with the automatic detection, plus its what I did 2 years ago when I last did this.

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sphery:

nordle: the problem is you didn't properly connect inputs... http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

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petre:

I've got a Hauppauge dual analog now, but February is coming soon

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sphery:

you /must/ specify the xmltvid of all channels after the channel is created, but before you run any grabber (xmltv-based or schedules direct)

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justinh:

either that or you've fallen into the trap of assuming xmltv & DVB-T channels would magically get bound together. tip: THEY DON'T

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petre:

I like being able to record two shows with only one antenna input

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iamlindoro_:

unless you're getting all your TV over the air, February means nothing to you

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sphery:

justinh's right, though, you should /really/ use the internal scanner

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iamlindoro_:

ah, you are

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, HDHomeRun, Hauppauge HVR-2250, etc., etc.

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justinh:

petre: I like being able to record 5 shows with just one antenna input :D

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sphery:

i like being able to record 4 shows with just 4 antenna inputs (and 4 ATSC capture cards)

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petre:

justinh, how do you do that? 5 tuners?

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iamlindoro_:

multirec

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justinh:

one tuner

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sphery:

he doesn't live in the US

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iamlindoro_:

lleloo dallas multirec

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nordle:

sphery: I tried the internal scanner, it picks up the channels, but when I watch livetv it refuses to lock onto any channel. Now I know the signal is good because 1. I measured it and 2. I can watch the channels from xine fine.

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justinh:

and with 3 tuners I can record 15 shows at once. viva dvb-t !

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sphery:

in the US, with OTA, you likely won't have 5 channels on the same multiplex worth recordings simultaneously

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justinh:

nordle: like I said you have fallen into the trap of assuming xmltv & dvb-t automagically get bound together somehow. THEY DON'T

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sphery:

(i.e. you'll get your local PBS station's 5 subchannels, which may include a Spanish-language broadcast, and educational, an encore, etc.)

[21:34:04]

petre:

I just discovered my TV has a digital tuner, so just switched to wating the digital channels

[21:34:24]

petre:

only public TV puts multiple shows on the various subchannels

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nordle:

justinh: I did this 2 years ago, I've moved house since then, but am clearly missing a step that I did last time.

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petre:

the commercial stations only broadcast on one or two, and it's the same show on both subchannels

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justinh:

nordle: see, you import a channels.conf or do a successful channel scan – right – then you do the xmltv configure stuff, right? only without the mythtv channel table having xmltvids in there (that YOU would put in there), mythfilldatabase creates channels which SEEM ok because they have EPG data but are actually USELESS

[21:35:40]

sphery:

petre: some of my local broadcasters have a second subchannel (2 have 24-hr weather channels--in extremely poor quality, low-bitrate, standard def--and one has a Spanish language channel (with different shows, of course))

[21:36:02]

nordle:

justinh: the channel table does have xmltvid.

[21:36:12]

sphery:

but, yeah, there's really not much benefit in having multi-rec with US OTA.

[21:36:40]

sphery:

nordle: don't edit the table, use the mythtv-setup channel editor (or the MythWeb channel editor), but yeah, it has the xmltvid field

[21:37:04]

sphery:

mythweb channel editor lets you type them all in and submit them all at once.

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justinh:

nordle: I bet if you look in the channel table now (via mythweb or in mythtv-setup's channel editor) I'd wager that you have duplicates. one set with xmltvids & one set without. you'd then discover that the set with xmltvids won't tune because there's no dtv_multiplex value in there – i.e. they're DUDS

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petre:

ok, clearing out the avi files freed up a bunch of space, now everything is fine

[21:37:37]

sphery:

nordle: right, dups that you need to clean up as described at http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[21:38:02]

sphery:

if you don't do it that way, you're likely to leave garbage that will not cause problems today, but will in one day or one week or one month or ...

[21:38:22]

justinh:

this is precisely why I set out to cure this ill for us UK peeps. as for why I gave up... I had some issues :P

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sphery:

and it will just all of a sudden stop working and you'll be in here saying, "everything was working fine yesterday and today it won't work, but I didn't change anything" :)

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nordle:

:)

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nordle:

ok, will do, thanks!

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petre:

since I've never run optimize_mythdb.pl, should I?

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justinh:

this is also why you should never – absolutely never say AYE GIMME ALL CHANNELS when you configure the xmltv grabber – because the first run of mythfilldatabase will just insert a bunch of useless channels you can't get!

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petre:

iamlindoro_, I do only have OTA, don't like cable cos

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justinh:

nordle: when I figured it out, I just edited ~/.mythtv/$videosourcename.xmltv with the xmltvids the grabber would be going for – and I made sure those and only those xmltvids were in the channel table in the right row

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sphery:

petre: I highly recommend it. At least once a month. I do it daily.

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petre:

do I have to stop the db or anything else beforehand?

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

mythbackend and mysqld must both be running

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sphery:

Ideally, schedule it to run at a time when you're least likely to have any recordings occurring. I do mine at about 3:00am (and I have had recordings during that time, but it hasn't been a problem, yet).

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petre:

ok, it ran, took ~4 seconds

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justinh:

petre: lucky you – you still have a database

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nordle:

justinh: I did edit my vidsource.xmltv to include just the channels I want. But it has no id, simply channel=blah.

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nordle:

justinh: hehehe :) oops, they are the ids

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justinh:

nordle: channel=xmltvid

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nordle:

yeah, im tired, brain slowing down :) But it just has the ids for the channels I can get, eg london.bbc.bbc1.co.uk etc

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justinh:

that's fine

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justinh:

so make sure all the channels in the channel table have a dtv_multiplex entry, and numbers

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justinh:

those that don't – kill em off

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justinh:

or at least set em to invisible

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wagnerrp:

i swear, i cant go into work without having to repair something...

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justinh:

I had a bad day the other week. I had to fix the toilet at home & get rid of a dead squirrel all before heading to work

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wagnerrp:

well im now out of spare memory

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wagnerrp:

one or more of the switches are going bad (i have spares), or or more of the boards are going bad (no spares)

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wagnerrp:

i need another 10hrs or so with all 166 of these machines functional

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iamlindoro_:

hmmm, maybe I'll just make a custom Mythtube UI, that's wimple enough

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iamlindoro_:

er simple

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inteliwasp:

i just saw the new systm episode on mythtv, and i noticed that newegg does not carry the pvr-150 anymore

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iamlindoro_:

replace with: HVR-1600

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inteliwasp:

that can recoord sd as well as other inputs?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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** inteliwasp reads the info on it and notices no vbi support... **

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inteliwasp:

vbl i mean

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justinh:

no you meant VBI

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justinh:

if closed captions are an absolute must, look elsewhere

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inteliwasp:

... i can't read today.... *wacks own head*

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justinh:

yeah that'll help

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fbnts:

Hi all – I have recently upgraded my mythtv installation to a backend server and a small fanless frontend. I have just come to try and play a DVD but the screen goes blank for about 2 secs and then comes back to the mythtv menu. From the cli output the main error I can see is mythtv libdvdread: Can't seek to block xxxxxx

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inteliwasp:

not a must, just not as total must

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fbnts:

I have the drive region set to 2 (the DVD is 2 as well)

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iamlindoro_:

let the nice people at $YourDVDManufacturer know that you really appreciate them introducing bad blocks on the DVD to keep pirates from copying them, and that you, the consumer, also enjoy not being able to watch their films.

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iamlindoro_:

again, that's the manufacturer of the DVD, not the drive

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fbnts:

ah bugger! is it a new copy protection thingy?

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iamlindoro_:

s/new/multiple year old/

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iamlindoro_:

but fairly commonplace these days

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fbnts:

ah ok – i presume there is not a workaround?

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iamlindoro_:

I know workarounds on windows, but I don't know any easy ones in linux

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fbnts:

is it the latest protection from Macrovision?

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iamlindoro_:

no, it's not macrovision

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cesman:

it's FtheConsumer

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iamlindoro_:

and again, it's multiple years old, nothing latest about it

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fbnts:

haha is there a name or is it identified on the dvd case so that I can avoid buy these DVDs in future?

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fbnts:

I was thinking of RipGuard as I encountered that the other month

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iamlindoro_:

look at the bottom of the back, sometimes there's a little teeeeensy icon that says "ArcOSS" or "Copy protected"

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iamlindoro_:

In this case it's most likely ArcOSS

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iamlindoro_:

but they don't have to/usually put the icon on the package-- sometimes, though

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fbnts:

grr bloody arses! will have to take it back as "not fit for purpose"!

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iamlindoro_:

You can often call the DVD manu and get them to send you one w/o the protection

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iamlindoro_:

say that you have an older consumer DVD player, and it refuses to play their disk

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fbnts:

so how does it work on standalone dvd players? I presume they have a license and something in their firmware to read the DVD?

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AndyCap:

fbnts: they're probably just bending the standard in a way that breaks pc's and not standalone players

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iamlindoro_:

It's not a licensing thing, it's a "we count on the players to not strictly follow the DVD standard" thing

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AndyCap:

fbnts: same as some CD anti-ripping tricks

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fbnts:

ah i see – it makes me laugh; I could sit and download the films already ripped etc but choose to buy them and then can't play them!

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cesman:

it's FtheConsumer

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fbnts:

just been looking it up: "... and MPlayer/MEncoder (for Linux) are usually able to overcome ARccOS.and MPlayer/MEncoder (for Linux) are usually able to overcome ARccOS."

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fbnts:

Ccould I use mplayer to at least watch it?

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cesman:

you could try

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cesman:

mplayer -dvd dvd://

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iamlindoro_:

mplayer uses a forked libdvdread, so it's worth a shot

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fbnts:

arr no – libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 2

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break-free:

how do I change LIRC key mappings? I want back to be the back button on my remote, not the stop button

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Tapout:

can mythtv handle HDTV ok? I noticed that playing HD *.mkv or mvk files, lags my computer.. so I wonder if it can decode it properly

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break-free:

Tapout, I don't have any problems

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break-free:

what are your specs?

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Tapout:

on this new machine, 2.3ghz i think

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Tapout:

4GB ram

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break-free:

yeah, you should probably be able to play HD stuff

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Tapout:

i've got windows media center dedicated to the main machine, but i wanna get a HD receiver and setup mythtv and migrate away from media center as it doesn't do HD

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break-free:

i only have 1gb ram and 2.4ghz core2duo and it works great

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Tapout:

which capture card do you have?

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fbnts:

iamlindoro_: Can you tell me the windoze workaround? I presume I can use windoze to remove the ArcOSS and then watch it in MythTV?

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break-free:

Oh, sorry I thought you meant playing HD content... no I don't have a hd capture card

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break-free:

my bad

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iamlindoro_:

fbnts, run AnyDVD, which will make it act as though it has no bad sectors, then rip it

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fbnts:

I presume I won't run under Wine?

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iamlindoro_:

not wine, but it'll run in a VM if you like

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fbnts:

it will be quicker to boot me laptop

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fbnts:

(well actually its crappy Vista so probably not!)

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break-free:

is there a place to get good LIRC key mappings? the default for my DEC-200B doesn't have record mapped and several other keys

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justinh:

irrecord * where available ;)

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** justinh decides scrumpy is evil **

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wagnerrp:

scrumpy?

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justinh:

cyder from Cornwall. strong stuff

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wagnerrp:

most potent cider ive had was about 2%

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justinh:

7.5% and this un's a tiddler

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wagnerrp:

wow, seems i dont need 10hrs out of these machines, only about 100min

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my2keh:

anyone knoe how to troubleshoot optical audio static issues?

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my2keh:

like what to look for in the logs? I'm not sure if it's the video itself that's pooched or the speakers or something

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wagnerrp:

optical audio has no 'static'

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wagnerrp:

it has sound, or no sound

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my2keh:

uhhh

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my2keh:

well the cable is spdif if that helps

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my2keh:

so digital then? heh

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justinh:

what's the source of the original audio?

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my2keh:

DVB

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justinh:

and yes that was for YOU my2keh

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my2keh:

HA!

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justinh:

static, like high pitched squeaks every now & again? loud clicks?

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my2keh:

i wouldn't say that

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justinh:

so what would you say?

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wagnerrp:

is the cable spdif or toslink?

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my2keh:

but more like a walky talky type sound

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wagnerrp:

spdif usually refers to digital coax

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justinh:

cable type is immaterial

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my2keh:

ah

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my2keh:

it happens often during some shows

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justinh:

well, if other forms of audio play fine over the same connection, the noises you hear are in the stream

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wagnerrp:

is it possible that the recordings themselves are bad, rather that the speakers or otherwise connections to them

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my2keh:

would mythfrontend log show anything?

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justinh:

maybe it would

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my2keh:

I turned it on with -v audio and didn't really get anything

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justinh:

try -v playback

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my2keh:

ok, I will try that

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justinh:

and I don't suppose there's any disturbance in the video around the time you hear this 'static'...?

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my2keh:

if it's stream related...is there a way to tell if a program was recorded by the 'multi-rec' portion?

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my2keh:

No...video is fine

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justinh:

no

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my2keh:

would it make sense that it could be multi-rec messing with it?

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justinh:

if the picture isn't being corrupted the streams are just fine

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justinh:

you generally don't get one futzed up without the other

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my2keh:

hmmm

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justinh:

how has it taken me this long to realise my del key isn't mapped? sheesh

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my2keh:

i'll rewatch the show up till it makes hte noise

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my2keh:

then clip the log into pastebin

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my2keh:

2008-08–23 19:33:40.003 [mpeg2video @ 0x66a93e0]mb incr damaged

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my2keh:

2008-08–23 19:33:40.003 [mpeg2video @ 0x66a93e0]ac-tex damaged at 4 18

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my2keh:

2008-08–23 19:33:40.003 [mpeg2video @ 0x66a93e0]invalid mb type in B Frame at 19 20

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my2keh:

i'm guessing hte video is damaged...so a signal type issue

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

run femon & yell one line of numbers out

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my2keh:

i don't know what you mean

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my2keh:

femon is an app I guess?

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forrestv:

is there a way to get mythtv to crop off black/static on edges of the video?

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my2keh:

yes

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my2keh:

in the TV settings I think

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my2keh:

justinh do you mean vdr-femon plugin?

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justinh:

no I mean femon

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my2keh:

ok...do you have a link to download it? I'm googling it

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justinh:

femon as in dvb-utils femon

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my2keh:

just trying to find the fedora equivalent

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my2keh:

ah dvb-apps I think

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my2keh:

ugh

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my2keh:

I think i screwed up the networking on this system

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my2keh:

can't ping anything outside

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my2keh:

i must fix

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