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| [00:00:50] | kormoc: | well, I know mythweb does, but I thought there was a way to get guide data via the be, perhaps not |
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| [00:01:27] | nludlam: | Don't think so. And actually, given I need to fiddle with the database now, the XML port stuff is largely irrelevant |
| [00:01:57] | kormoc: | the XML port isn't myth protocol, they are two different things |
| [00:02:22] | nludlam: | Yeah, I know, but I was using the XML port to retrieve the EPG |
| [00:02:36] | nludlam: | with the idea that it was more 'pure', but that works against me |
| [00:03:10] | nludlam: | I had this crazy ambition to keep my code clean-ish so I didn't rely on the DB too much, and used any API where possible |
| [00:03:37] | kormoc: | you can always use the perl/php/python bindings |
| [00:03:45] | nludlam: | but this is where it falls apart, as there's no backend or XML port methods to deal with scheduling recordings |
| [00:04:08] | kormoc: | the php ones need some work, but the perl ones are nice and complete and maintained |
| [00:04:14] | nludlam: | I'm doing all this in ruby, so it's all from scratch :) |
| [00:04:24] | kormoc: | could write ruby bindings :P |
| [00:04:55] | nludlam: | I'm writing a ruby gem. I've already got an initial release out, but I'm beefing up the capabilities |
| [00:05:24] | nludlam: | specifically a nice set of objects and method to schedule new recordings |
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| [00:05:39] | kormoc: | and that's different then bindings how? |
| [00:06:01] | nludlam: | this is pretending to be a client |
| [00:06:10] | nludlam: | or am I misunderstanding you? |
| [00:06:13] | kormoc: | so does the official bindings |
| [00:06:37] | nludlam: | Ah ha, where are these bindings of which you speak? |
| [00:07:13] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythtv/bindings |
| [00:07:28] | kormoc: | php ones are in mythweb at the current moment, I need to finish them before they get pushed there |
| [00:07:43] | directhex: | no c# bindings? |
| [00:07:52] | kormoc: | directhex, patches welcome! |
| [00:07:58] | directhex: | actually, binding c++ is a real pain in several places |
| [00:08:04] | directhex: | not just the ass |
| [00:08:05] | nludlam: | no ruby? |
| [00:08:09] | ** Dagmar checks directhex for signs of head injury ** | |
| [00:08:39] | kormoc: | nludlam, no, my point is, if you're writing ruby bindings, you might as well try to get them as official bindings and in the official distribution |
| [00:09:12] | nludlam: | Ah I see. Well, I could be a *terrible* coder for all you know :D |
| [00:09:29] | Dagmar: | Yes, but you'd be measured according to teh .NET ruler |
| [00:09:32] | Dagmar: | So no one would notice |
| [00:09:35] | kormoc: | sure, but you have to submit your code as a ticket and if it's bad, it'll get rejected and thus no harm |
| [00:09:37] | nludlam: | lol |
| [00:10:26] | nludlam: | ok I'll do that. My initial release is http://github.com/nickludlam/ruby-mythtv |
| [00:11:01] | nludlam: | but that doesn't go much further than listing and streaming recordings. this next release will do a little more, hopefully |
| [00:11:08] | ** directhex compiles Dagmar-sharp, tests on ms.net ** | |
| [00:11:59] | nludlam: | I'm finding endless numbers of enums I need to port from the C++ code |
| [00:12:53] | kormoc: | yup |
| [00:13:54] | nludlam: | damn, I don't think there's any point offering a ruby nethod wrapper for querying the guide from the XML port. It's irrelevant |
| [00:14:58] | nludlam: | does anything in the mythtv ecosystem use the XML port seriously? |
| [00:15:34] | ** directhex proposes binding gmyth instead of "real" myth, since it's much easier to do so ** | |
| [00:15:36] | directhex: | ;) |
| [00:15:45] | directhex: | of course, zero chance of it going into real myth if you do that |
| [00:16:11] | kormoc: | nludlam, not yet |
| [00:16:22] | nludlam: | ooh, gmyth. not seen that before! |
| [00:16:41] | nludlam: | yes that gmyth is about as high level as my ruby lib |
| [00:18:49] | nludlam: | bloody 'ell, someone got the mythfrontend working on a nokia 770 |
| [00:19:06] | nludlam: | that can't be quick, surely |
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| [00:23:18] | Lexridge: | what should my cpu load average be on a myth frontend, while watching live tv? With my dual core athlon, I'm averaging 144% which seems very high. |
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| [00:23:41] | webvictim: | my AMD64 3500+ never goes over 25% while watching live TV. |
| [00:23:47] | webvictim: | and that's a single core |
| [00:23:52] | webvictim: | so yeah, something sounds wrong. |
| [00:24:16] | Lexridge: | webvictim: when I kill mythfrontend, my cpu usages drops to damn near zero. |
| [00:25:29] | Lexridge: | Any ideas as to why it's using so much cpu? Perhaps a compile/configure options needs changed? |
| [00:25:31] | Dagmar: | Make sure you're not using a framegrabber card for one thing, then make sure you installed the video drivers for your video card that the vendor makes |
| [00:25:45] | Dagmar: | USE flags will do nothing. |
| [00:25:51] | Lexridge: | I have a Nvidia 6800SE with nvidia latest drivers. |
| [00:26:07] | Lexridge: | Just put the latest in a few minutes ago in fact. |
| [00:26:13] | Dagmar: | Okay, so look at the nVidia driver README about the UseEvents flag. |
| [00:26:21] | Dagmar: | That will help. |
| [00:26:27] | Lexridge: | okay, thanks. |
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| [00:31:29] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: Not real clear on where this flag goes. Do I build nvidia with UseEvents or simply add it to my /etc/xorg.conf file? |
| [00:31:46] | iamlindoro: | goes in xorg.conf |
| [00:31:49] | Lexridge: | ok |
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| [00:32:53] | zelda1: | hello people |
| [00:33:07] | cesman: | hello zelda1 |
| [00:33:21] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: This is why I said to look at the readme for the driver |
| [00:33:34] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: Just throwing some magic keywords at it won't help you |
| [00:34:15] | zelda1: | im assuming this is the place where I get to ask some questions about MythTV and have some help with building a solution for me. |
| [00:34:18] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: I have the readme opened, and UseEvents is only mentioned in one specific area: Option "UseEvents" "boolean" |
| [00:34:19] | zelda1: | am i right? |
| [00:34:58] | Dagmar: | zelda1: The way you say "building a solution" doesn't bode well |
| [00:35:09] | zelda1: | ok build a mythbox.. |
| [00:35:10] | zelda1: | heh |
| [00:35:14] | cesman: | zelda1: you'll get help is you ask intelligent questions |
| [00:35:14] | Dagmar: | Oh, okay |
| [00:35:31] | Lexridge: | dagmar: from a quick google search, apparently this is the proper syntax: Option "UseEvents" "on" |
| [00:35:53] | Lexridge: | thanks for the help. restarting my computer now. I'll let you know if this works. :) |
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| [00:36:00] | zelda1: | first question. Im looking at the HVR-1800. Lookin at documents, Digital is only supported right? |
| [00:36:26] | iamlindoro: | no, both are supported now, but you should not get the 1800 at the moment |
| [00:36:30] | Dagmar: | You're looking at the wrong documents thenm |
| [00:36:42] | iamlindoro: | the 1600 works properly with myth and also has full digital and analog support, and works properly in myth. |
| [00:36:45] | zelda1: | then which is a good card the 1600? |
| [00:36:51] | Dagmar: | Ding |
| [00:36:54] | zelda1: | oh. ok.. |
| [00:37:04] | zelda1: | does that 1600 have an fm tuner? |
| [00:37:04] | Dagmar: | They're both good. One is just more useful to us than that other at the present time |
| [00:37:06] | iamlindoro: | erm, got a little redundant in that sentence :) |
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| [00:37:37] | Dagmar: | zelda1: Anything that can pick up NTSC broadcast can/should be able to do FM radio |
| [00:37:49] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, some models do, but myth does no radio whatsoever |
| [00:38:01] | Dagmar: | The problem there is that input groups aren't quite flexible enough to deal with you blocking the FM tuner by listening to radio yet, afaik |
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| [00:38:51] | zelda1: | myth doesnt support fm tuning? interesting. |
| [00:38:57] | iamlindoro: | nope. No radio in Myth. |
| [00:39:10] | zelda1: | is there a distro that will? |
| [00:39:18] | zelda1: | out of curiosity |
| [00:39:24] | iamlindoro: | distro? Myth isn't a distro |
| [00:39:27] | Dagmar: | Here's the problem |
| [00:39:34] | Dagmar: | The frontend expects a video stream. |
| [00:39:41] | zelda1: | ah.. |
| [00:39:42] | Dagmar: | FM radio stations broadcast very little video. |
| [00:39:42] | zelda1: | ok. |
| [00:39:48] | iamlindoro: | you can do radio with lots of things outside of myth, but that's just not what myth does. |
| [00:39:51] | zelda1: | make since. |
| [00:39:56] | zelda1: | er sense |
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| [00:40:07] | Lexridge: | dagmar: Okay, that fixed the cpu usage for myth. Now it's averaging about 13%. However, now X is lagged as hell. :( I think I can live with it though. ;) |
| [00:40:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah if it weren't for the "where can we generate video" problem, it would be a bit easier to wedge in support |
| [00:40:24] | zelda1: | within my distro say, ubuntu i could though.. i belive correct? |
| [00:40:32] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: No idea what you mean by X lagging |
| [00:40:42] | iamlindoro: | yes, the distro doesn't matter, you could build or install all sorts of things that will do radio |
| [00:40:47] | Dagmar: | zelda1: Probably so |
| [00:40:58] | Lexridge: | dagmar: When I right click my mouse button for a menu, it now takes about 2 seconds until it pops up, instead of instantly. |
| [00:41:02] | zelda1: | is there a main reason why the 1800 isnt good? |
| [00:41:08] | Dagmar: | The drivers expose a fairly normal looking v4l api for accessing the radio |
| [00:41:24] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: You've got something else wrong then |
| [00:41:29] | Dagmar: | 2 minutes isn't lag. |
| [00:41:32] | Dagmar: | 2 minutes is broken. |
| [00:41:44] | Lexridge: | 2 seconds, not minutes. |
| [00:41:52] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, because support for the card isn't implemented in myth. |
| [00:41:55] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [00:42:03] | Dagmar: | Still, X shouldn't lag like that |
| [00:42:05] | iamlindoro: | it'll need a new card type as it's an MPEG-2 encoder, but not an ivtv card as myth expects |
| [00:42:06] | zelda1: | yet.. ok. |
| [00:42:10] | Lexridge: | dagmar: agreed |
| [00:42:31] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, yes, yet... but nobody seems interested in implementing it so you may be in for a wait |
| [00:42:34] | zelda1: | am i better off going with say a pvr 500 or something? |
| [00:42:41] | iamlindoro: | a 1600 will be fine |
| [00:42:48] | Dagmar: | zelda1: If you can find one and plan on needing two tuners |
| [00:42:51] | iamlindoro: | 500 would be fine too, but there's nothing wrong with a 1600 |
| [00:43:03] | Dagmar: | 500 |
| [00:43:05] | Lexridge: | dagmar: I'm hoping this UseEvents option will fix my xorg deadlock issues too. |
| [00:43:10] | iamlindoro: | If oyu need two analog, get a 500. If you need an analog and a digital, get a 1600 right now. |
| [00:43:12] | zelda1: | yeah Id rather take the newer stuff. |
| [00:43:13] | Dagmar: | 500's are getting a little hard to find now |
| [00:43:28] | zelda1: | I know the pvr series went disco'd right |
| [00:43:34] | Dagmar: | Lexridge: It's good to have hope. |
| [00:43:52] | Lexridge: | dagmar: lol, yea, a little hope sometimes can go a long way. ;) |
| [00:43:56] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, they're not altogether discontinued, you can still get them, just getting very very rare |
| [00:44:10] | zelda1: | well its going to connect to a cable box.. |
| [00:44:19] | zelda1: | so thats NTSC right analog? |
| [00:44:21] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, someone misconstrued "these are EOL in Finland" into a rumor that they were ALL EOL, which is silly |
| [00:44:33] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, yes, out of a STB it's analog NTSC. |
| [00:44:52] | iamlindoro: | If you intend to capture the unencrypted digital/HD channels, you would use the digital side straight out of the wall. |
| [00:44:52] | zelda1: | so what about 350? |
| [00:45:11] | Dagmar: | Less than useful. |
| [00:45:15] | iamlindoro: | what about it? It's ancient and poorly supported, and impossible to get new |
| [00:45:24] | wagnerrp: | 350 gets you an mpeg2 decoder, but its only SD |
| [00:45:29] | Dagmar: | Unless your box is so small you don't have room for a PCI video card, you don't want a 350. |
| [00:45:33] | wagnerrp: | not much use for digital video |
| [00:45:39] | wagnerrp: | digital TV rather |
| [00:45:49] | Dagmar: | As a side bonus, the 350 lacks GL support. |
| [00:45:53] | zelda1: | ok so are there ways to convert the mpeg2 to mpeg4? |
| [00:46:01] | Dagmar: | Transcoding |
| [00:46:02] | wagnerrp: | its called transcoding |
| [00:46:12] | zelda1: | i want something with gl support of course.. |
| [00:46:13] | iamlindoro: | sure, using any number of transcoders, but why would you want to lose another generation of quality? |
| [00:46:31] | zelda1: | for smaller file sizes |
| [00:46:35] | zelda1: | unless .mkv? |
| [00:46:44] | Dagmar: | 500Gb disks are $80 |
| [00:46:47] | wagnerrp: | unless you want to archive an assload of video, or are really strapped for cash, theres not much purpose to transcoding |
| [00:46:47] | zelda1: | or nu... something. |
| [00:46:48] | iamlindoro: | mkv is just a container, you can stuff any format you like in it |
| [00:47:05] | zelda1: | ok.. |
| [00:47:07] | wagnerrp: | its easier to just spend a $100 and get another terabyte or so |
| [00:47:30] | zelda1: | yeah but then you run into does your box support a jbod |
| [00:47:46] | wagnerrp: | who cares if it supports JBOD |
| [00:47:56] | zelda1: | sorry wrong term. |
| [00:47:59] | wagnerrp: | storage groups work just fine on any sort of drive architecture |
| [00:48:13] | zelda1: | i was talking about supporting more then 4 hdd in a mini atx chassis |
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| [00:48:19] | Dagmar: | Your box doesn't need to "support" JBOD. |
| [00:48:21] | Dagmar: | You're using Linux. |
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| [00:48:28] | Dagmar: | You have mdraid and LVM. |
| [00:48:33] | wagnerrp: | ah, well thats what NFS is for |
| [00:48:38] | zelda1: | yeah true |
| [00:48:43] | Dagmar: | You can do completely stupid things to span disks in Linux |
| [00:48:46] | wagnerrp: | stick a box elsewhere, and network mount the drives |
| [00:49:15] | zelda1: | yeah I could do that. .. like a NAS |
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| [00:49:58] | wagnerrp: | if you want the box quiet, its often worth consideration to make the machine diskless |
| [00:50:38] | zelda1: | well what if I want to make it a NAS/File Server as well? |
| [00:51:03] | wagnerrp: | then you run NFS and samba daemons locally |
| [00:51:57] | zelda1: | am i good getting 1TB drive? |
| [00:52:25] | wagnerrp: | define 'good'? |
| [00:52:38] | iamlindoro: | sure, why not? I've got 10 in my backend |
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| [00:52:55] | zelda1: | whats the issue with transcoding to mpeg4 for file space? |
| [00:53:11] | wagnerrp: | it takes time, and you lose quality |
| [00:54:13] | zelda1: | so leaving it in mpeg2 is best? |
| [00:54:22] | iamlindoro: | best is totally subjective |
| [00:54:30] | iamlindoro: | to maintain quality, yes, the fewer transcodes the better |
| [00:54:32] | jimbalaya: | i'm having a difficult time setting up multiple (similarly named) directories in mythvideo... i have "/mnt/movies:/mnt/tv:/mnt/tv2" entered, but it puts the tv2 files in the gui as /tv/mnt/FILES .... any ideas how to fix this? |
| [00:54:41] | iamlindoro: | for file size, but not caring about quality as much, transcode away |
| [00:54:41] | zelda1: | apparently 2gb/hr right? |
| [00:54:46] | wagnerrp: | as i said, unless youre strapped for cash and cannot afford more drives, its best to just leave them as mpeg2 |
| [00:54:50] | iamlindoro: | it's totally user selectable |
| [00:55:11] | iamlindoro: | you can do a few hundred meg an hour, or many gigs an hour, all depends on your settings |
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| [00:56:03] | zelda1: | Cause heres the deal I have lots of video I would like to throw on the device and obviously record tv. Just a bit skeptical about how much I can throw on there. |
| [00:56:24] | iamlindoro: | unlimited, until your disk drive budget runs out. |
| [00:56:33] | zelda1: | and yeah I dont have tons and tons of money.. |
| [00:56:39] | zelda1: | well state the obvious. |
| [00:56:39] | zelda1: | heh |
| [00:56:56] | iamlindoro: | you need to find the quality settings that work for you, then the # of hours per drive will be obvious |
| [00:57:35] | Lexridge: | dagmar: apparently the two options I added: Option "UseEvents" "on" and Option "UseEvents" "boolean" doe not affect the TV out...only the LCD computer monitor. |
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| [00:57:45] | iamlindoro: | max quality broadcast digital HD would be 7 GB/hr.... so a 1 TB drive would hold almost 150 hours of that. You are talking about substantially less quality/file size. I think you're fine. |
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| [00:58:17] | Lexridge: | dagmar: the second option should have been: Option "RenderAccel" "on" |
| [00:58:36] | Lexridge: | dagmar: however, I'm going fly with this for a few days and see what happens. |
| [00:58:38] | zelda1: | Im going to be using a p4 2.6ghz and 2gb ram. Im also thinking maybe I should use a core 2 duo or something.. |
| [00:59:07] | zelda1: | or if I can get my hands on a Xeon.. |
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| [00:59:13] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, yes, a core 2 would be a wiser idea if you ever intend to display HD material |
| [00:59:22] | iamlindoro: | don't waste time/power on a Xeon |
| [00:59:58] | iamlindoro: | and, of course, keep in mind that the power goes on the *frontend* system (or combined system) while the backend can be cheap and weak. |
| [01:00:05] | wagnerrp: | for the most part, the only advantage of a Xeon is that you can run them in dual and quad configurations |
| [01:00:13] | zelda1: | ok. Nothing I have at this moment is coming in HD. But I do plan on using HD within a couple months. |
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| [01:00:17] | wagnerrp: | not something you would want sitting in front of your TV |
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| [01:00:29] | zelda1: | yeah more of a server. :) |
| [01:01:12] | wagnerrp: | and... not really something needed for mythtv, unless you want to transcode |
| [01:01:29] | iamlindoro: | and even then a core 2 qould do more than admirably :) |
| [01:01:31] | iamlindoro: | er would |
| [01:02:30] | zelda1: | and 2gb ram? |
| [01:02:50] | iamlindoro: | more than adequate |
| [01:03:20] | zelda1: | hrm.. obviously I want a system board that has nvidia chipsets 6100 or better correct? |
| [01:03:55] | iamlindoro: | any of the modern nVidia, Intel, and even (with latest proprietary drivers) ATI can be made to work pretty well these days |
| [01:04:43] | iamlindoro: | personal experience with Intel and nVidia GPUs shows they work perfectly for my HD frontends, and various experienced (and trusted) myth folk have been using ATI lately with decent success |
| [01:04:47] | zelda1: | Im a big fan of ATI, but in linux its all about the nvidia |
| [01:05:08] | iamlindoro: | That was the case until recently, but ATI is actually fine now. |
| [01:05:41] | iamlindoro: | This info comes from one of the core myth devs having beuild several systems recently with onboard ATI |
| [01:05:41] | zelda1: | Well im using an agp card in ubuntu right now.. its working ok. |
| [01:05:56] | iamlindoro: | s/beuild/built/ |
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| [01:09:06] | zelda1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135091 is that ok? |
| [01:09:41] | iamlindoro: | ugh, sis onboard graphics? |
| [01:09:52] | nludlam: | thanks for the help |
| [01:09:52] | iamlindoro: | and the processor is a bit slow too |
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| [01:10:51] | iamlindoro: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157127 Get something like that, a faster processor, and 1 GB RAM. Perfect, and totally ready for any HD you throw at it (and it's got every video interface known to man) |
| [01:10:53] | zelda1: | yeah.. I have a different one. |
| [01:11:12] | iamlindoro: | I would avoid the board you linked-- SiS video is going to be useless for myth. |
| [01:11:42] | zelda1: | ok. thanks. |
| [01:11:57] | zelda1: | with the one you gave me I could throw in 2 1600's |
| [01:12:34] | iamlindoro: | yes, among other things, plus USB devices like the Hauppauge Hd-Pvr if you decide you want to start capturing all your HD channels |
| [01:13:49] | zelda1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx? . . . ard+-+Retail how bout that? |
| [01:14:30] | iamlindoro: | you linked me to a picture :) |
| [01:14:36] | iamlindoro: | but it *looks* nice |
| [01:14:37] | zelda1: | LOL sorry |
| [01:14:43] | zelda1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131229 |
| [01:15:38] | zelda1: | ah.. its got dva!! NNNOOOOOOooo |
| [01:15:38] | iamlindoro: | yep, that also looks very nice. That, plus 1 GB RAM, and at least a 2.2–2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo should have you ready to play just about any possible HD in the future |
| [01:15:55] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [01:15:58] | zelda1: | cool. Ill throw that into my cart |
| [01:16:04] | zelda1: | the port on there.. its DVA |
| [01:16:08] | iamlindoro: | uhhhh |
| [01:16:10] | iamlindoro: | no it's not |
| [01:16:14] | iamlindoro: | do you mean *DVI*? |
| [01:16:21] | dustybin: | |
| [01:16:36] | zelda1: | yeah someone else posted dva. |
| [01:16:50] | iamlindoro: | why owuld that be a problem? DVI is awesome. |
| [01:16:54] | iamlindoro: | er would |
| [01:16:54] | dustybin: | gbee: your build looks nice, nice case |
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| [01:18:16] | zelda1: | oh nothing. I was just saying.. |
| [01:18:38] | zelda1: | LOL, look at it. It has 3 slots for RAM, but only 4gb supported |
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| [01:19:12] | iamlindoro: | 4 GB would be massive overkill anyway |
| [01:19:28] | iamlindoro: | also, BTW, the next port to the left of the DVI is HDMI, so you've got that too. |
| [01:20:01] | dustybin: | what picture are you guys looking at |
| [01:20:13] | ** dustybin suspects dell ** | |
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| [01:20:24] | zelda1: | yeha I know what the ports look like. im not that big of a newb. |
| [01:20:32] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, no, a mobo at newegg. |
| [01:20:39] | Glypo: | hi. sorry if this sounds daft but hours of reading documentation hasn't cleared anything up. i want to setup a mythdora but can't decide what DVB-S2 card to get. I have found lists of cards that will work but no recommendation. how do i know what will work better – or will they all be much the same? |
| [01:20:50] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, tough to tell, you were just "Nooooooo" ing about "DVA" (twice) |
| [01:20:59] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: does hdmi simply carry normal dvi signals + digital audio? |
| [01:21:09] | zelda1: | yes |
| [01:21:11] | tank-man: | plus drm i think |
| [01:21:11] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, yes |
| [01:21:14] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [01:21:19] | iamlindoro: | tank-man, DVI supports HDCP as well |
| [01:21:33] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, they'll all work the same in that none of them are supported. |
| [01:21:33] | zelda1: | I was reading the specs.. someone said CON--DVA.. |
| [01:21:39] | zelda1: | so i typed that in. |
| [01:21:40] | dustybin: | onboard sound on those flatpanel tvs will be cack |
| [01:21:59] | zelda1: | plus its an ASUS I can over clock some |
| [01:22:09] | jimbalaya: | ok – if two directory names you're putting into mythvideo as video sources start with the same name (for example "/mnt/tv:/mnt/tv2") then it screws up the directory listing in mythtv |
| [01:22:15] | Glypo: | iamlindoro – linuxtv has a list with a lot on though :-s |
| [01:22:25] | dustybin: | zelda1: are you thinking about using that mobo as a HD frontend? |
| [01:22:55] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, linuxtv has *zero* official DVB-S2 support yet... and it's not likely to be in the real tree for some time to come. |
| [01:23:00] | zelda1: | yea |
| [01:23:07] | dustybin: | zelda1: i cannot see digital optical audio out |
| [01:23:19] | zelda1: | get a sound card that will |
| [01:23:31] | zelda1: | nice sound blaster |
| [01:24:37] | zelda1: | ASUS uses Intel systemboards? |
| [01:24:55] | Glypo: | iamlindoro – okay thanks. the website shows a list saying it's experimental but good. even in terms of normal DVB-S i have the same question really. I can't find any recommendation for any cards – so are they all much the same? and if not, what features should I be looking for? |
| [01:26:17] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, it shows experimental support because there are non-official drivers in limbo since they can't agree on an API. None of them will be merged into the tree and will need rewrites once they *do* agree on an API. In terms of DVB-S, just get any of the commonly used budget cards, ie a Nova-S-Plus, Technotrend, etc. |
| [01:26:23] | dustybin: | it is really tempting to get a dvb-s card considering i have a spare SKY dish doing nothing |
| [01:26:42] | zelda1: | DUh wtf.. HDMI has digital audio |
| [01:27:01] | zelda1: | does myth support HDMI? |
| [01:27:04] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, HDMI *supports* digital audio, many/most motherboards with HDMI are video only. |
| [01:27:16] | Glypo: | iamlindoro – that is |
| [01:27:18] | wagnerrp: | zelda1: no |
| [01:27:22] | Glypo: | oops |
| [01:27:27] | zelda1: | so why get that one then? |
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| [01:27:37] | Dagmar: | So, in short, Myth has no HDMI support.. |
| [01:27:44] | iamlindoro: | Myth and HDMI have nothing to do with one another. Myth is an X application that uses ALSA... if ALSA and X support the card, then it'll work in myth |
| [01:27:56] | wagnerrp: | your graphics drivers support HDMI, Xorg supports your graphics drivers, mythtv runs on X |
| [01:28:08] | Dagmar: | It also completely lacks support for violas, can not speak walrus, and does nothing for indigestion when swallowed. |
| [01:28:18] | dustybin: | to get HD in my bedroom i would: need to 1.. upgrade CPU on backend/frontend box, buy nova dvb-s card, buy lcd display. done |
| [01:28:19] | wagnerrp: | its like asking if mythtv support SATA hard drives |
| [01:28:20] | Glypo: | iamlindoro – that's awesome, thank you so much. with no experience with this i didn't even know what was common, i will look at both of those, thanks :-) |
| [01:28:45] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, no problem... #linuxtv can be a very helpful channel when it comes to card selections too, if you get caught up |
| [01:30:18] | Glypo: | thanks iamlindoro, i will check that out as well then as no doubt i will short a fuse trying to decide :-) |
| [01:30:32] | dustybin: | this is the card |
| [01:30:33] | dustybin: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novahds2.html |
| [01:30:55] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, the card for buying if you need a paperweight? |
| [01:31:01] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: that is an S2 card... no support |
| [01:31:07] | dustybin: | oh hell |
| [01:31:23] | dustybin: | must be this one then |
| [01:31:24] | dustybin: | http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/site/products/data_novasplus.html |
| [01:31:34] | iamlindoro: | yes, that will work nicely. |
| [01:31:48] | dustybin: | its got horrible analogue crap on it |
| [01:31:56] | dustybin: | the other one was nice and minimal |
| [01:32:23] | ** iamlindoro puts dustybin on lithium ** | |
| [01:32:30] | iamlindoro: | you are manic depressive, my friend |
| [01:32:38] | dustybin: | :o |
| [01:32:39] | iamlindoro: | you change your mind 10,000 times a day |
| [01:32:51] | dustybin: | i know, everything is too exciting |
| [01:32:59] | iamlindoro: | You are like a baby puppy |
| [01:33:27] | dustybin: | its hard to make up my mind in this world |
| [01:33:34] | Glypo: | whilst i am here, is it possible to have say two cards but in one box so myth can process 2 channels? |
| [01:33:36] | dustybin: | too many exciting things gives me a buzz |
| [01:33:56] | iamlindoro: | Do what most HTPC enthusiasts do: buy something, and then when anyone suggests there's a problem or downside to it, take their head off |
| [01:34:12] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, yes, absolutely, it's exactly the point of myth |
| [01:34:13] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: like justinh ? |
| [01:34:31] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, no, justinh will diss his own equipment |
| [01:34:45] | dustybin: | like the epia via board |
| [01:34:46] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, moreover, myth can record every channel on a multiplex with a single card |
| [01:34:59] | ** dustybin turns on fan via x10 ** | |
| [01:35:09] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, so if you have, say, all the BBC channels on one transponder, myth can record every one of them on a single DVB-S/T card |
| [01:35:28] | zelda1: | is it better to have intel chipsets or nvidia? |
| [01:35:35] | Glypo: | iamlindoro – you are very knowledgeable thanks. i have heard that before but wasn't sure how it would happen |
| [01:35:39] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, my personal preference is to say Intel |
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| [01:36:06] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, The tuners themselves tune an entire multiplex and filter out individual programs... you just don't use the filters and dump the whole shebang to disk |
| [01:36:06] | zelda1: | whys that? |
| [01:36:26] | Glypo: | tv is new territory to me. so if the channels are grouped into the same freq range i only need one card? |
| [01:36:28] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, more solid and better linux support in my experience... but both can and do work well in linux |
| [01:36:44] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hauppauge-WinTV-NOVA-S- . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [01:36:50] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, that is more or less correct |
| [01:36:55] | dustybin: | would that do the trick? that looks nice and minimal |
| [01:37:17] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, That's the original Nova-S... the S-plus is the better card |
| [01:37:27] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Cant' imagine *why* it matters to you that it has analog inputs |
| [01:37:31] | dustybin: | why is it better? |
| [01:37:41] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, because it's about five years newer |
| [01:37:42] | dustybin: | its ever, 1 or 0 |
| [01:37:45] | dustybin: | either |
| [01:37:48] | dustybin: | ok |
| [01:38:33] | dustybin: | im addicted to computes, helppp |
| [01:38:33] | Glypo: | how bizarre. i'm looking to take advantage of freesat for example – so i'm assuming a lot of the channels are split up so i will need two cards? |
| [01:38:48] | dustybin: | Glypo: you from UK |
| [01:38:52] | Glypo: | yup |
| [01:38:56] | dustybin: | go bed!!!! |
| [01:39:08] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, I don't know how the transponders are broken out on freesat, but you can safely assume that they will come in bundles of at least 3–4, and that each bundle can be recorded by a single card |
| [01:39:12] | dustybin: | Glypo: you will need a: Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-S Plus – 00790 Hauppauge WinTV-NOVA-S Plus |
| [01:39:13] | Glypo: | it's only 2:40am lol |
| [01:39:48] | iamlindoro: | so if you want two things on two transponders, then yes, that's two cards... if you want three things on three transponders, that's three cards.... if you want three things on ONE transponder, that's one card. |
| [01:39:48] | dustybin: | those cards are about £40 new |
| [01:40:15] | iamlindoro: | I would venture a guess that the basic few BBC channels are all on one transponder, as they seem to tend to be on DVB-T |
| [01:40:18] | Glypo: | okay thanks iamlindoro – i can assume then to make sure i can always access more than one channel i need two cards. and dustybin – yes just found some via google |
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| [01:40:25] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i think the best thing to do is what gbee is doing, hes got a nova-t 500 for normal digital, and a nova-s for HD sat |
| [01:41:07] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, http://www.lyngsat.com/astra2d.html |
| [01:41:25] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, see each of the "blocks" labeled freesat? Each of those could be entirely recorded by a single DVB-S card |
| [01:41:59] | iamlindoro: | and it seems I am correct, all of the basic BBC channels are on single transponders, and thus all recordable at once with a single card |
| [01:42:09] | iamlindoro: | likewise with ITV |
| [01:42:38] | Glypo: | that is actually incredible – with two cards have potential to record an awful lot of television |
| [01:42:43] | iamlindoro: | So, for example, with freesat you coudl record all the BBC channels for your area, and all the ITV channels for your area, withg two cards |
| [01:43:04] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, yep |
| [01:43:32] | dustybin: | the ultimate box would be 2x nova-s cards and 2x nova-t cards |
| [01:44:10] | dustybin: | each nova-s card needs a direct link to the sat LNB? |
| [01:44:18] | dustybin: | you cannot split the cable? |
| [01:44:25] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, correct |
| [01:44:30] | Shadow__X: | i want freesat |
| [01:44:31] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [01:44:46] | dustybin: | it is VERY tempting |
| [01:44:47] | Glypo: | i've noticed quad-lnb are cheap |
| [01:44:50] | iamlindoro: | Now if only there were more than three decent british shows |
| [01:45:16] | Shadow__X: | i like top gear |
| [01:45:18] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [01:45:24] | iamlindoro: | Peep Show FTW |
| [01:45:27] | dustybin: | yep |
| [01:45:28] | Glypo: | where you guys from? |
| [01:45:29] | dustybin: | peep show |
| [01:45:30] | dustybin: | ace |
| [01:45:37] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, California |
| [01:46:22] | Glypo: | wow, and yet you know an awful lot more about european broadcasting than i do! |
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| [01:46:36] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, experience and paying attention in here, mostly |
| [01:46:42] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: so it would be impossible to record 1 bbc show and 1 itv show at the same time with 1 dvb-s card? |
| [01:46:48] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure I want to ask what peep show is, but I'm sure I don't want to Google it at work |
| [01:46:48] | iamlindoro: | It's not that dissimilar from US digital broadcast in the end |
| [01:47:06] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, you will dig it, it's really really funny-- full eps on youtube |
| [01:47:07] | Glypo: | peep show is not naughty – just great comedy |
| [01:47:26] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, according to those transponders, no... you would need two since they are on different transmitters |
| [01:47:28] | dustybin: | super hans ftw |
| [01:47:41] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: don't worry, G4 broadcasting "Hurl" in prime slots means they would have to basically start airing interspecies rough trade orgies to go lower |
| [01:47:46] | iamlindoro: | It's not as though I'm going to rape him... I *could* rape him. |
| [01:48:05] | Glypo: | oh okay, i'm right in thinking that europe uses dvb and america uses atsc though? |
| [01:48:17] | iamlindoro: | It's not really a poisoning... it's really more of a white poisoning. In three days he'll wake up and be right as raiiiiin. |
| [01:48:30] | Dagmar: | Glypo: Well, if you think "peep show" is a work-safe search tern, your life's been pretty sheltered, yo. |
| [01:48:34] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, yes, that's correct, but aside from some very very low level stuff, it's really all the same |
| [01:48:40] | dustybin: | imagine a backend what took, 1 dvb-t, 1 dvb-s and a dvb-c |
| [01:49:13] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, especially from a linux perspective, which calls all digital tuners "DVB" anyway |
| [01:49:39] | Glypo: | oh right, okay iamlindoro. i don't think it takes away from the fact you clearly a wizard at this stuff |
| [01:49:56] | dustybin: | Glypo: he learnt everything from me |
| [01:50:03] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, haha, thanks for the compliment-- there are a number of very knowledgable folks in here |
| [01:50:16] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, you misspelled "taught" and "to" |
| [01:50:22] | dustybin: | :P |
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| [01:50:47] | andyman53: | Hey all |
| [01:50:53] | andyman53: | #nvidia is relatively quiet |
| [01:51:00] | ** iamlindoro switches on his "evil" switch ** | |
| [01:51:03] | dustybin: | i wonder if zoneminder could take advantage of the analogue input on that new nova-s-plus card |
| [01:51:12] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, yes, it can |
| [01:51:16] | dustybin: | wow |
| [01:51:19] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [01:51:20] | dustybin: | now we are talking |
| [01:51:21] | andyman53: | can someone here help me with why i'm getting "module nvidia-x-x-x-x" not found? |
| [01:51:21] | Glypo: | lol. well it's early hours here so i must go and sleep. It's great to know this place exists if I get stuck and documentation won't help |
| [01:51:30] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, night |
| [01:51:32] | andyman53: | i just installed the package by that name |
| [01:51:40] | Glypo: | thank you once again, you have been fantastic help |
| [01:51:44] | iamlindoro: | Glypo, you'll always get help here so long as the docs are your first stop :) |
| [01:51:58] | Dagmar: | andyman: Because you dind't use the nVidia installer to install the nVidia driver |
| [01:52:00] | iamlindoro: | that's the major pet peeve around here, but otherwise it's fairly helpful :) |
| [01:52:11] | andyman53: | i see |
| [01:52:15] | andyman53: | i used yum, what should i use? |
| [01:52:17] | Shadow__X: | i like the hints iamlindoro |
| [01:52:21] | Dagmar: | Something that works. |
| [01:52:23] | iamlindoro: | OH, and spending six months asking about obsolete equipment and being OT without ever attempting to build a mythbox |
| [01:52:35] | Dagmar: | Or ask in #yum or #ubuntu |
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| [01:52:57] | dustybin: | analogue cameras are cheap as chips, i could hook that up to zoneminder with that card |
| [01:53:00] | iamlindoro: | doesn't yum == *dora? |
| [01:53:01] | Shadow__X: | isnt yum fedora or is that incorrect |
| [01:53:05] | andyman53: | it is |
| [01:53:14] | iamlindoro: | s/#ubuntu/#fedora/ |
| [01:53:30] | dustybin: | from a nova-s-plus card to zoneminder, when will it end grrrrrr |
| [01:53:46] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, It won't, this isn't a project, it's a hobby. |
| [01:53:57] | zelda1: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186139 how this one? |
| [01:54:19] | iamlindoro: | I'm into at *least* my tenth generation mythbox |
| [01:54:23] | iamlindoro: | BOOOOO FOXCONN |
| [01:54:27] | zelda1: | ok |
| [01:54:29] | zelda1: | ASUS |
| [01:54:31] | zelda1: | all the way |
| [01:54:48] | iamlindoro: | I am okay with asus-- for minimum fuss and muss, buy an intel brand mobo, but it's more money. |
| [01:55:21] | Shadow__X: | i used to use foxconns never had an issue |
| [01:55:25] | dustybin: | i got a really old asus on my desktop and a asus in my backend, both working solid |
| [01:55:32] | dustybin: | for long time |
| [01:56:11] | iamlindoro: | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/25/1150218 |
| [01:56:28] | Shadow__X: | oh didnt know about that |
| [01:56:33] | Shadow__X: | down with em |
| [01:56:43] | iamlindoro: | among other, mostly build-quality issues I have with them |
| [01:57:03] | zelda1: | LOL, so that asus board with the HDMI is bad? |
| [01:57:10] | iamlindoro: | (I had a whole batch fry at work right at the one year out of warranty mark) |
| [01:57:21] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, no, We're talking about foxconn |
| [01:57:35] | dustybin: | i rememeber reading about foxCON |
| [01:57:49] | iamlindoro: | ASUS works well in my opinion... Most of my recent myth builds have been ASUS and Intel boards |
| [01:57:51] | dustybin: | they are microsoft bunnys |
| [01:58:15] | Shadow__X: | i never had an issue with my asus boards and thats all i have bought in the past for my own builds |
| [01:58:43] | Shadow__X: | have a slot1 933mhz p3 with a asus board still chugging along |
| [01:59:20] | zelda1: | cool |
| [01:59:35] | zelda1: | i have a slot A amd athlon 1.2 working still |
| [01:59:41] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [01:59:54] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/19/playon-m . . . -netflix-co/ |
| [01:59:58] | iamlindoro: | That's actually kinda neat |
| [02:00:09] | zelda1: | LOL, at work someone brought in a pc with a p2 in there. |
| [02:00:10] | zelda1: | LOL |
| [02:00:20] | wagnerrp: | depending on what you consider a 'new machine', i have gone through maybe 6 systems with mythtv |
| [02:01:42] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, i agree for streaming everything tversity works in windows |
| [02:01:47] | Shadow__X: | for the 360 |
| [02:01:54] | squish102: | i hope this mobo works with mythtv http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128090R |
| [02:02:12] | wagnerrp: | squish102: does it work with linux? |
| [02:02:19] | iamlindoro: | squish102, should be fine |
| [02:02:20] | squish102: | is there anywhere that ppl list the hardware they use with mythtv? |
| [02:02:26] | dustybin: | ttp://www.engadgethd.com/2008/08/19/playon-me . . . -netflix-co/ |
| [02:02:35] | squish102: | i want to get the hdmi working |
| [02:02:40] | Dagmar: | squish: The interwebs |
| [02:02:42] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, ummmmmmm I posted that like ten lines ago |
| [02:02:46] | Shadow__X: | how will the amd drivers work for you |
| [02:03:01] | Dagmar: | If you're wanting someone to just tell you what to buy, you can look on my user page on the wiki |
| [02:03:10] | wagnerrp: | 3xxx series chips *should* be supported by fglrx |
| [02:03:13] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: sorry i mis pasted |
| [02:03:17] | iamlindoro: | The HDMI will work fine |
| [02:03:20] | wagnerrp: | but getting them installed is a different matter |
| [02:03:30] | ** iamlindoro recommends envy ** | |
| [02:03:39] | iamlindoro: | No fuss no muss! |
| [02:03:40] | squish102: | ouch |
| [02:03:42] | ** Dagmar recommends not using envy for nVidia ** | |
| [02:03:45] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [02:03:58] | squish102: | im running mythbuntu, i hope it goes ok |
| [02:04:00] | ** dustybin looks for backdoors in Dagmars network ** | |
| [02:04:02] | Shadow__X: | i was just talking about the driver bug that causes corruption |
| [02:04:04] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, why is that? Have had decent experiences with it, myself |
| [02:04:23] | Dagmar: | ianlindoro: because the nVidia installer has "just worked" for the last six years |
| [02:04:29] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, nVidia is farrrr guiltier of driver bugs causing corruption than ATI |
| [02:04:42] | Shadow__X: | ah didnt know that |
| [02:04:43] | squish102: | this next mythtv build all started because of a low cost low power amd cpu from newegg :( |
| [02:04:54] | ** iamlindoro remembers the great green screen outbreak of 07/08 ** | |
| [02:05:15] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [02:05:16] | Dagmar: | You shoudn't have been turning on rivafb |
| [02:05:23] | iamlindoro: | and how you couldn't use any nVidia driver beetween 100.14 up to 169! |
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| [02:05:33] | iamlindoro: | er between |
| [02:05:34] | Dagmar: | That sounds like a personal problem to me |
| [02:05:39] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [02:05:54] | iamlindoro: | ah, if ONLY this could have been solved by a topical ointment |
| [02:06:06] | Dagmar: | Stop touchin' those little boys then |
| [02:06:19] | iamlindoro: | hey now |
| [02:06:32] | dustybin: | there is a fair amount of HD on BBC, here is todays listing |
| [02:06:34] | dustybin: | http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbchd/listings/index.shtml?service_id=2075 |
| [02:06:37] | dustybin: | the whole day is HD? |
| [02:06:55] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, look at the "other" chan |
| [02:06:59] | ** dustybin checks ITV ** | |
| [02:07:03] | Shadow__X: | nvm |
| [02:07:21] | dustybin: | how strange |
| [02:07:22] | dustybin: | http://www.itv.com/hd/ |
| [02:07:31] | dustybin: | content encoding error |
| [02:07:42] | zelda1: | well shit this myth box will be better then the pc im on now.. wtf! |
| [02:07:54] | dustybin: | The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because it uses an invalid or unsupported form of compression. |
| [02:08:00] | dustybin: | strange |
| [02:08:07] | clever: | dustybin: its loading fine for me |
| [02:08:25] | dustybin: | its ok now |
| [02:08:59] | clever: | any legaly free iptv services online that i could just stream from? |
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| [02:09:28] | clever: | (that work on mythtv) |
| [02:09:33] | iamlindoro: | clever, nope |
| [02:09:36] | clever: | :( |
| [02:09:43] | dustybin: | i forgot to ask gbee if he picks up ITV HD ok |
| [02:09:57] | iamlindoro: | moreover, all IPTV that I know of is streamed via private network, not over the internet at large |
| [02:10:04] | clever: | ahh |
| [02:10:06] | dustybin: | lat time i checked mythtv didnt support ITV HD |
| [02:10:09] | dustybin: | last |
| [02:10:17] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, he picks it up, but they have horked the transport stream so myth needs some serious help to decode it properly |
| [02:10:22] | clever: | i think my isp has some iptv services but last i asked(if mythtv could use it) i got no answer |
| [02:10:24] | dustybin: | ok |
| [02:10:50] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: when i hear stuff like that it makes me feel maybe it is too early to dive into HD here in UK |
| [02:11:20] | iamlindoro: | dustybin, ITVHD is going to take some work anyway from what I understand, given the refusal to say when something will be HD and that "red button" nonsense |
| [02:11:28] | dustybin: | clever: have you any tips on how to calm brain |
| [02:11:42] | clever: | dustybin: google:P |
| [02:11:48] | dustybin: | FUk no |
| [02:12:02] | iamlindoro: | that's like asking a dope fiend for advice on how to quit |
| [02:12:07] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [02:12:43] | squish102: | zelda1 have u got a cpu already? |
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| [02:15:36] | iamlindoro: | take some yoga classes |
| [02:15:39] | iamlindoro: | seriously, no joke |
| [02:15:50] | iamlindoro: | good for concentration, fitness, and the girls are hot and flexible |
| [02:15:59] | clever: | lol |
| [02:16:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm 100% not joking |
| [02:16:18] | Shadow__X: | clever, is giddy at the sound of girls |
| [02:16:58] | zelda1: | no. |
| [02:16:59] | zelda1: | well yes. |
| [02:17:00] | zelda1: | I have a p4 2.6 |
| [02:17:15] | Dagmar: | White man speak-um truth |
| [02:17:24] | Dagmar: | Chicks dig flexible guys. |
| [02:17:31] | zelda1: | LOL, its going to cost me in the upwards of $600 to do it. |
| [02:17:34] | Dagmar: | Chicks with particular things in mind dig flexible guys. |
| [02:17:44] | zelda1: | I might as well go buy an emachine or gateway for tha. |
| [02:17:46] | zelda1: | er that. |
| [02:17:47] | Dagmar: | <-- take it from a raver |
| [02:21:05] | zelda1: | can I do the same thing with a p4 2.6? |
| [02:21:39] | iamlindoro: | Which same thing? |
| [02:21:56] | iamlindoro: | It would make a decent backend-only machine if you wanted that and didn't expect super-fast commflagging or transcoding |
| [02:21:59] | zelda1: | everything I had mentioned above for the box |
| [02:22:11] | zelda1: | oh..ok |
| [02:22:19] | iamlindoro: | it woul dbe a fine SD box, would take some work for basic broadcast HD, and would be incapable of anything past that |
| [02:22:56] | RyeBrye: | My current SD backend / frontend box is a P4 1.8 |
| [02:23:28] | zelda1: | do they make dual 478 boards? |
| [02:23:30] | RyeBrye: | I'm planning to upgrade to an HD-capable beast of a machine... but it's going to cost me around $1800 |
| [02:23:57] | zelda1: | lol sell me your old one. |
| [02:24:01] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, probably, but ugh, WHY? |
| [02:24:30] | zelda1: | lol, I cant have my "tivo" be better then my machine I currently own.. |
| [02:24:40] | RyeBrye: | Zelda1 – If you really wanted it, I could probably part with it but it's probably still going to be worth $250 or $300 to me to have it around as a slave backend to do SD stuff with still |
| [02:24:46] | iamlindoro: | zelda1, stick around for a while, it will be |
| [02:24:55] | zelda1: | cause i have 2 p4s sitting around here. |
| [02:24:59] | RyeBrye: | The parts are probably not worth that much |
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| [02:25:42] | zelda1: | well that why its already configured etc. |
| [02:25:50] | zelda1: | er way |
| [02:25:52] | RyeBrye: | Yeah. It's not too bad to set one up |
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| [02:26:06] | RyeBrye: | I'd definitely say to go with hardware encoders if you are using low-end P4's like that though |
| [02:26:20] | zelda1: | yeah. |
| [02:26:32] | zelda1: | or ill just save money for a few months and build one. |
| [02:26:33] | RyeBrye: | either two PVR-150 or a PVR-500 |
| [02:26:56] | zelda1: | hopefully the core 2 duos drop by then |
| [02:27:00] | LanUser: | Hello – would a HVR-1950 be a good alternative to a HD-PVR for someone who needs ATSC? |
| [02:27:15] | iamlindoro: | LanUser, it would be totally dissimilar to the HD-PVR |
| [02:27:19] | RyeBrye: | I wouldn't think the HD-PVR would be that good for anyone who wants ATSC |
| [02:27:36] | LanUser: | iamlindoro: due to the lack of H.264 encoding? |
| [02:27:48] | iamlindoro: | due to lack of anything even remotely resembling the same functions |
| [02:28:01] | RyeBrye: | HD-PVR does component input, and it's big draw is the fact that it can suck in an analog HD signal and spit out an H.264 stream of non-DRM'ed goodness |
| [02:28:18] | RyeBrye: | but most other capture cards take existing digital signals and pass them through to record them |
| [02:28:34] | Shadow__X: | the hd pvr no coax |
| [02:28:37] | Shadow__X: | 1950 coax |
| [02:28:40] | iamlindoro: | ie, HD-PVR = component capture with h.264 hardware encode, HVR-1950 = ATSC Tuner and MPEg-2 hardware encoder, no component in |
| [02:29:08] | LanUser: | at this point, I'm going to stop giving my money to the cable Co's and just use ATSC, what is a highly recommended card for that then? |
| [02:29:26] | zelda1: | 1600? |
| [02:29:34] | iamlindoro: | HVR-1600 is more than enough for that, or an HDHomeRun, or a Kworld 115, etc. |
| [02:29:45] | iamlindoro: | That is, if *all* you want is ATSC |
| [02:29:54] | Shadow__X: | 1600 has one atsc one analog |
| [02:29:57] | Shadow__X: | both work in myth |
| [02:29:58] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:30:23] | LanUser: | I was thinking about teh HDHomeRun, but is it's encoding quality and ability up to snuff with internal cards? |
| [02:30:31] | iamlindoro: | uhhh |
| [02:30:37] | iamlindoro: | ATSC cards don't *do* encoding |
| [02:30:45] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [02:30:50] | LanUser: | actually they do |
| [02:30:53] | iamlindoro: | digital television is done at the broadcast, not at your house |
| [02:30:56] | iamlindoro: | actually they don't. |
| [02:31:04] | LanUser: | the HDHomeRun is encoded to a network stream |
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| [02:31:17] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [02:31:33] | Shadow__X: | so thats the sound of pouring fuel |
| [02:31:51] | iamlindoro: | It's no more "encoded into a network stream" than a PCI card is "encoded into a PCI stream" |
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| [02:32:13] | iamlindoro: | it's the same exact stream flying through the air, dumped onto another medium. No encode of any kind. |
| [02:32:37] | Shadow__X: | are you sure |
| [02:32:39] | Shadow__X: | ;) |
| [02:32:51] | LanUser: | what's the encoded form of ATSC in the air? H.264? |
| [02:33:02] | iamlindoro: | if you mean video codec, it's MPEG-2 |
| [02:33:12] | iamlindoro: | with AC3 audio, in MPEG-2 TS containers. |
| [02:33:44] | LanUser: | got it, so do most ATSC do an exact dump of the stream like mplayer's -dumpstream ? |
| [02:34:13] | iamlindoro: | s/most/all/ |
| [02:34:16] | iamlindoro: | That's *all* they do |
| [02:34:24] | iamlindoro: | tune, dump to disk, the end |
| [02:34:48] | zelda1: | ok people thanks for your help |
| [02:34:51] | zelda1: | have a good one., |
| [02:34:55] | iamlindoro: | night zelda1 |
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| [02:35:09] | LanUser: | thanks, that's encouraging then, so there shouldn't be any quality diffference, I think the HDHomeRun has two ATSC tuners too, that might be what I'm looking for |
| [02:35:20] | Shadow__X: | so having a good night iamlindoro ? |
| [02:35:32] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, I must be, I'm being mostly nice/patient |
| [02:35:44] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [02:35:44] | JohnP789: | I ran MythTV on an Ubuntu box for several years, but now I'm setting up a new backend&frontend box. What Linux distro is the favorite around here? |
| [02:35:47] | Shadow__X: | i was surprised |
| [02:35:53] | Shadow__X: | did you have a stoke there |
| [02:36:10] | Shadow__X: | i was waiting for the fire to ignite but nothin |
| [02:36:16] | iamlindoro: | JohnP789, no real favorite, everyone has their preference... if you like ubuntu, then I suggest mythbuntu |
| [02:36:17] | JohnP789: | I have an HVR-950, and I've heard it's less work to set up in Fedora, due to the newer kernel. |
| [02:36:45] | JohnP789: | I also have a PVR-500, and I'm hoping I can get them to co-exist. |
| [02:37:05] | JohnP789: | Most of what I'm looking to record is from US analog cable TV. |
| [02:37:06] | iamlindoro: | JohnP789, there is a repository for ubunti that allows you to do daily trunk updates of linuxtv drivers |
| [02:37:29] | iamlindoro: | add the repos, install the right package, and update it as often as you like-- but you'll have 950 support right away |
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| [02:37:58] | JohnP789: | iamlindoro, OK, thanks. I'll give mythbuntu a whirl. |
| [02:38:33] | iamlindoro: | JohnP789, http://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/pa . . . -ubuntu-804/ |
| [02:38:48] | iamlindoro: | don't be scared by the fact that it says "DVB-T", he's actually packaging the whole repos |
| [02:39:31] | JohnP789: | Is IVTV rolled into the kernel now? |
| [02:39:35] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:40:14] | JohnP789: | Probably an FAQ, but here goes: do people run PulseAudio on their frontend machines? |
| [02:40:18] | squish102: | JohnP789 i have mythbuntu and am very impressed... after havinga *dora install before that |
| [02:40:36] | iamlindoro: | JohnP789, it's doable but best avoided |
| [02:40:49] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu, for example, leaves it out intentionally |
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| [02:41:51] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3598 |
| [02:42:59] | iamlindoro: | oh, also keep in mind that no matter what distro you go with, you'll need to find, download, and install in the right spot the firmware for the 950- |
| [02:43:10] | LanUser: | I found this comment in a review of the HDHomerun "MythTV doesn't support Multirec on this" – doees that mean you can't record two shows at once using each tuner? |
| [02:43:25] | cesman: | no |
| [02:43:26] | iamlindoro: | LanUser, no, you can record from both tuners at once, multirec is different |
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| [02:43:41] | iamlindoro: | multirec is using one tuner to record multiple channels on a single multiplex |
| [02:43:54] | iamlindoro: | which, in the US of A, is largely useless |
| [02:44:03] | LanUser: | omg – what kind of black magic is that? |
| [02:44:13] | squish102: | iamlindoro do u have a mythtv with hdmi audio/video out? |
| [02:44:26] | jblack: | iamlindoro: It works for me with broadcast tv. |
| [02:44:34] | iamlindoro: | squish102, no, I have HDMI out, but I go to a projector so no audio there |
| [02:44:53] | iamlindoro: | jblack, It *works*, but in the US most multiplexing practices are such that the feature is nearly useless |
| [02:45:15] | jblack: | Then I suppose I'm lucky in this valley. |
| [02:45:16] | iamlindoro: | ie ABC and its companion weather channel on a single mux. Whoop dee doo |
| [02:45:24] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [02:46:02] | iamlindoro: | It's even LESS useful on ATSC as there is only 19 megabit available, and most network channels are using most of that for their primary HD stream |
| [02:46:11] | jblack: | I have 12 channels on 3 multiplexors |
| [02:46:20] | Shadow__X: | i know that feeling i have dealt with some ok channels on the same multiplex |
| [02:46:27] | JohnP789: | Our PBS station has a PBS Kids channel. It's "compressy looking" but my 2 year old wouldn't care. |
| [02:46:39] | squish102: | i wonder if it is better to go "hdmi out -> receiver -> tv" or "hdmi -> tv and spdif -> receiver" |
| [02:47:05] | iamlindoro: | there's no "better", just what works for you |
| [02:47:15] | cesman: | iamlindoro: got a link to the projector you have? |
| [02:47:19] | iamlindoro: | I go HDMI-> Projector, optical -> receiver |
| [02:47:21] | iamlindoro: | cesman, sure |
| [02:47:27] | LanUser: | Channels that have multiple sub channels like 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 isn't multiplexing is it? |
| [02:47:40] | iamlindoro: | cesman, http://www.projectorcentral.com/mitsubishi_hc5000.htm |
| [02:47:43] | iamlindoro: | LanUser, yes, it is |
| [02:47:56] | iamlindoro: | cesman, http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 048223_xqpEA |
| [02:47:59] | cesman: | iamlindoro: thanks! |
| [02:48:12] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:48:22] | LanUser: | oh crap, so the HDHomeRun has problems with those? All my ATSC channels have nice sub channels that I'd like to watch and record |
| [02:48:37] | iamlindoro: | LanUser, no, it works fine-- you just can't record all of them at once on a single tuner |
| [02:49:12] | iamlindoro: | you can record any one of them at any time on a tuner-- multirec is a newish feature that allows one, on some cards, to record ALL the channels in a mux on a single tuner |
| [02:49:15] | LanUser: | oh ok, I guess I wouldn't expect that to work anyway, now I understand, thanks |
| [02:49:20] | iamlindoro: | you can still record a single one per tuner just fine |
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| [02:53:20] | wagnerrp: | do 150s record the VBI data in any recoverable form? |
| [02:54:07] | wagnerrp: | in between Eureka and wreastlin', there was some text broadcast partially offscreen |
| [02:54:48] | LanUser: | Seems like the HDHomeRun has been around for years now, are there any rumors that they are about to release a newer product/version soon? |
| [02:55:22] | wagnerrp: | why need they release a newer product? what could they add on the old one? |
| [02:55:45] | cesman: | I believe there are going to release a DVB version, but nothing new on the ATSC front |
| [02:56:14] | LanUser: | Just being picky, and not that it would matter, but Gigabit networking would be nice |
| [02:56:34] | wagnerrp: | ATSC streams are at best 19Mbps |
| [02:56:47] | LanUser: | ok, point taken then |
| [02:56:49] | wagnerrp: | so its not going to consume more than 38Mbps |
| [02:57:08] | LanUser: | that settles it, I think I'm going to order one of those beauties then |
| [02:57:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | They could make one with 4 tuners built-in... ;-) |
| [02:57:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | BTW: Anyone know the difference between a HDHR v1 and v2? |
| [02:57:41] | wagnerrp: | QAM is 38Mbps, so i suppose you may run into issues with cheap hardware |
| [02:58:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | LanUser: I just bought one... ;-) And last time I checked, they were like $141 from Amazon, with free shipping... |
| [02:58:38] | Shadow__X: | they had a sale on em on newegg |
| [02:58:44] | Shadow__X: | on their email promotions |
| [02:59:18] | LanUser: | J-e-f-f-A: thanks, I haven't seen them that cheap yet, I'll have to search out that deal |
| [02:59:22] | ** J-e-f-f-A just paid $159 for his... :-( Oh well, better than $169 normal retail... ** | |
| [02:59:27] | ** LanUser loves NewEgg ** | |
| [02:59:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | LanUser: Just go to amazon.com and type in hdhomerun ... it was $140+change last week... |
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| [03:01:30] | wagnerrp: | i dont actually see any reference to versions anywhere on the internet |
| [03:02:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A smashes his cheap Belkin KVM... mouse wouldn't move left & right, just up & down... (optical)... works after un-plugging & plugging it back in... ** | |
| [03:02:51] | LanUser: | J-e-f-f-A: wow $129.99 at Amazon with free shipping |
| [03:03:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | LanUser: holy $hip, jeeze, I should buy one and return it to micro center for $159! ;-) |
| [03:03:27] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A, its ok my shitty wireless kb and mouse has keys stick and the mouse just doesnt like to work |
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| [03:03:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: I was blaming my keyboard for random 'alt' key sticks, but it was my stupid KVM... |
| [03:04:24] | wagnerrp: | i love reading through comments on newegg, and realizing that the people with supposed 'high tech level' have no idea what theyre talking about |
| [03:04:26] | Shadow__X: | hmm i will start typing and sometimes the keys will stick |
| [03:04:38] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, most people are stupid |
| [03:04:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: pepsi in your keyboard will to that too... ;-) |
| [03:05:05] | Shadow__X: | its brand new |
| [03:05:33] | wagnerrp: | inability to type is what you get for drinking pepsi |
| [03:05:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Micro Innovations??? |
| [03:05:56] | Shadow__X: | eh |
| [03:06:04] | Shadow__X: | i type fine on other keyboards |
| [03:06:08] | wagnerrp: | is that the brand of your keyboard? |
| [03:06:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: ^^ Brand of that new keyboard? |
| [03:06:19] | Shadow__X: | no |
| [03:06:42] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: that was supposed to be a derogatory comments at pepsi drinkers |
| [03:06:49] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [03:06:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, thought it might be. They've got some pretty nice looking stuff, but quality is often lacking... |
| [03:07:30] | LanUser: | Is the HDHomeRun controlled via the network or through its IR receiver? |
| [03:07:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | LanUser: Network. ;-) |
| [03:07:54] | wagnerrp: | through the network |
| [03:07:58] | Shadow__X: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126174 |
| [03:08:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A didn't realize it had an IR receiver... ;-) ** | |
| [03:08:06] | Shadow__X: | thats the pos one i have |
| [03:08:11] | Shadow__X: | maybe i have a faulty one |
| [03:08:18] | LanUser: | What's the IR receiver on it for then? |
| [03:08:33] | wagnerrp: | control for connected PCs |
| [03:08:50] | wagnerrp: | i suppose a PC can tap into the IR receiver, much like it does the video feed |
| [03:09:01] | iamlindoro: | yeah, it can |
| [03:09:03] | iamlindoro: | kinda neat |
| [03:09:59] | wagnerrp: | of course sitting it by your tv somewhat defeats the purpose of having it network attached |
| [03:10:01] | LanUser: | I've got so many freaking IR receivers lying around it's ridiculous |
| [03:12:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | I've got mine right next to my myth box, hanging off the same gigabit switch my Backend is on, so no network contention w/it... ;-) |
| [03:13:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Yeah, maybe your keyboard is... I have a Logitech wireless that I've used on my Wintel box for a few years now. The only thing that stinks with it is the range — can't be more than a few feet away from the receiver. Other than that, the batteries last forever, and it works well. (optical mouse too) |
| [03:14:09] | squish102: | LanUser, my collection is increasing too |
| [03:14:23] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [03:14:34] | Shadow__X: | i am pretty sure its over a year |
| [03:14:34] | Shadow__X: | eh |
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| [03:14:36] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [03:14:58] | jpastore: | I thinking about building a box specifically for myth tv...can anyone make some recommendation? |
| [03:15:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Mine is the "Cordless Desktop Optical Black"... and half the keys are shiny as I'm a touch-typist... the letter "A" is 1/2 worn off the key even... |
| [03:15:43] | jpastore: | I just recently lost a buncha data moving to a new 1tb drive...and decided I wanted to build a box that would act as a data repo for the house and might as well make a myth tv box =) |
| [03:16:14] | wagnerrp: | so... youre building a box for data storage, and it also runs mythtv? |
| [03:16:15] | Shadow__X: | ah alright J-e-f-f-A maybe i should call then |
| [03:16:38] | jpastore: | that's what I was thinking...setup raid 5 over a few drives...samba to share it out |
| [03:16:54] | jpastore: | I have plenty of linux experience just none with myth tv |
| [03:16:58] | RyeBrye: | yeah, the HD HomeRun can drive LIRC via the network – it's kind of cool actually |
| [03:17:09] | wagnerrp: | then its not 'a box specifically for mythtv' |
| [03:17:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpastore: I was going to say – you should setup a raid to prevent data loss from a drive failure... ;-) I've got a 2.4TB raid (6x500's) |
| [03:17:16] | squish102: | jpastore pretty much what i do too, backend/frontend and all other things server like |
| [03:17:27] | wagnerrp: | anyway, something that is raid5 will typically be rather large for something sitting in front of a TV |
| [03:17:39] | jpastore: | well I saw something about ted a while ago to parse rss for shows to download |
| [03:17:41] | RyeBrye: | if you don't need the HDHomeRun's IR to control your TV – you could throw the box in a completely different room and use the IR in it to send signals to a computer connected to an X10 controller to control your lights or something if you really wanted to |
| [03:18:10] | wagnerrp: | parsing rss for shows to download is something that mythtv can not, and will not, do |
| [03:18:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: So the HDHR has an ir blaster built-in??? Cool... ;-) |
| [03:18:21] | RyeBrye: | Myth is for fair use, not pirates |
| [03:18:25] | jpastore: | I don't mind having the box on or near the tv... |
| [03:18:29] | RyeBrye: | Not a blaster – just a receiver IIRC |
| [03:18:45] | wagnerrp: | of course you can just use your favorite torrent client for that, and use mythvideo |
| [03:18:45] | jpastore: | I just rss feeds for content I didn't say anything about pirating... |
| [03:18:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | RyeBrye: Ok, you implied it could 'control your TV'... ;-) |
| [03:19:02] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, I misspoke |
| [03:19:18] | RyeBrye: | I meant "control your TV" as in "control your DVR" :) |
| [03:19:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | that's ok, you're human. [At least I think you are, I haven't met you... ;-) ] |
| [03:19:35] | ** RyeBrye is part human ** | |
| [03:19:44] | ** J-e-f-f-A is too. ;-) ** | |
| [03:19:49] | jpastore: | if I said I was going to whore thepiratebay for content and wanted to setup a multiterra san with a splash guard for all the porn I'd watch i could see where you would be coming from =) |
| [03:20:38] | squish102: | jpastore i have no suggestions other athan to check before u buy.. (I have enough non functioning equipment lying around) |
| [03:20:38] | RyeBrye: | I know – but the mythtv community of developers / users are very sensitive to being accused of being friends of pirates – and certain topics are taboo for this channel... torrenting shows being one of them |
| [03:20:41] | jpastore: | but seriously I just want something control house data/content hd output to my tv... |
| [03:20:55] | wagnerrp: | well you should be able to find a python or perl script that regularly polls rss feeds and downloads them, and then just view it with mythvideo |
| [03:21:00] | RyeBrye: | It's not like you really need to torrent anything – the box flags all the commercials and will auto-skip them for you for crying out loud! :) |
| [03:21:11] | jpastore: | squish102, how do you feel about the prepackaged ubuntu mythtv packages? |
| [03:21:49] | squish102: | jpastore i run mythbuntu and it has been pretty good to me |
| [03:22:04] | squish102: | actually ubuntu, and then install mythbuntu |
| [03:22:18] | jpastore: | squish102, what do you use for tv out card? and is it high def? |
| [03:22:46] | wagnerrp: | jpastore: any old nvidia card will do |
| [03:22:57] | wagnerrp: | with ati, its hit or miss whether you will get the drivers installed properly |
| [03:23:07] | squish102: | atm, i have a cheap foxconn mobo with a amd 64 +3500 (wont suggest running that) and use the onboard nvidia to run HD content |
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| [03:23:26] | jpastore: | I use nvidia on my laptop with ubuntu and it works well...what about hd tv out though? |
| [03:23:53] | Coded1: | how far will my p4 2.53 ghz w/ 512mb ram get me as far as 720p 264 encoding? |
| [03:23:54] | wagnerrp: | get a TV with VGA/DVI inputs, or a card with component outputs |
| [03:23:55] | squish102: | mobo have dvi port and plays through onboard nvidia 6150 card |
| [03:24:24] | wagnerrp: | Coded1: what is the source of these videos? |
| [03:24:42] | Coded1: | likely sat or dvb-t |
| [03:24:42] | squish102: | cpu takes a little strain playing HD content, but it is fine |
| [03:25:12] | RyeBrye: | Are there any DVI + Optical audio -> HDMI adapters out there? I know there are DVI -> HDMI (I have some) – but is there anything to easily gang the audio signal coming out of an optical port along with the DVI signal into the HDMI? |
| [03:25:27] | wagnerrp: | so you want to know how fast it will encode to h.264? |
| [03:25:28] | Coded1: | right now the box is only going to handle sd broadcasts but thinking about upgrading to dh |
| [03:25:30] | Coded1: | hd |
| [03:26:04] | Coded1: | sd it sits at ~25–35% |
| [03:26:16] | Coded1: | with a fairly crappy decoder card |
| [03:26:26] | squish102: | Coded1 my HD recording sits at 2–5% |
| [03:26:44] | squish102: | afaik it just takes the stream and drops it to disk |
| [03:27:06] | wagnerrp: | Coded1: im am confused by your uses of 'encoding' and 'decoder' |
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| [03:27:42] | wagnerrp: | DVB-T is largely mpeg2, so you likely wont have to deal with h.264 unless you are transcoding to that format |
| [03:27:54] | Coded1: | sorry that was wrong on my part, what i meant to say was encoding live tv and watching it at the same time |
| [03:28:07] | ajh: | wagnerrp, soon you will though. |
| [03:28:22] | Coded1: | yes and transcoding the incoming signal to h.264 |
| [03:28:23] | wagnerrp: | if youre using that much power running SD on that processor, im guessing you just have a framegrabber? |
| [03:28:30] | Coded1: | pretty much |
| [03:28:53] | wagnerrp: | well digital is pre-coded to mpeg2, so its effectively a stream dump to the hard drive |
| [03:28:56] | Coded1: | its just a bt878 or 848 chipset |
| [03:28:56] | Coded1: | nothing fancy at all |
| [03:28:58] | wagnerrp: | almost no power used |
| [03:29:11] | wagnerrp: | your processor can handle mpeg2 just fine |
| [03:29:20] | squish102: | wagnerrp is that changing? |
| [03:29:35] | RyeBrye: | XvMC can accelerate MPEG2 if you need to offload that too |
| [03:29:43] | squish102: | i mean ajh |
| [03:30:00] | wagnerrp: | you should be able to encode at a sufficiently low bitrate to decode h.264 in realtime, thats just something you will have to play with |
| [03:30:08] | Coded1: | how is XvMC coming along the wiki says its still a ways off |
| [03:30:22] | wagnerrp: | but encoding to h.264 is going to be horrendously slow on that chip |
| [03:30:32] | Coded1: | thought so |
| [03:30:36] | RyeBrye: | XvMC playback? it works fine |
| [03:30:48] | wagnerrp: | XvMC works, but its somewhat of a hassle |
| [03:30:50] | RyeBrye: | I guess it depends on your machine / video card / astrological sign |
| [03:30:54] | Coded1: | im going to be on sd till christmas time by the looks of it |
| [03:31:07] | wagnerrp: | its usually better to save yourself the pain if your computer can handle HD mpeg2 as is |
| [03:31:30] | liquidss: | I have a newly updated mythtv install and can't seem to get spdif output to work from mythtv for video playback... tv works fine. speaker-test outputs sound just fine, and the output setting for audio is set to ALSA:spdif (same used for speaker-test). any ideas on where to look to fix mplayer output? |
| [03:31:48] | Coded1: | i think i could squeeze the box to get it done but it might not be that smooth |
| [03:32:46] | Coded1: | its fine for home videos and dvd rips of my own personal dvd libs |
| [03:33:10] | RyeBrye: | Holy crap. It's $270 to get DVI + SPDIF -> HDMI |
| [03:33:10] | jpastore: | for hard drives...does drive speed matter? |
| [03:33:14] | squish102: | liquidss try the default mythtv player instead of mplayer? |
| [03:33:24] | RyeBrye: | I think I'll stick with separate cables |
| [03:33:32] | RyeBrye: | http://sewelldirect.com/gefen-dvi-audio-hdmi-adapter.asp |
| [03:33:53] | squish102: | RyeBrye or get a new mobo that has hdmi with audio? |
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| [03:34:05] | jpastore: | if I put 4 7200rpm 1tb drives in a raid 5 config I should be fine right? |
| [03:34:20] | jpastore: | what's front role vs backrole? |
| [03:34:22] | RyeBrye: | squish102 – do mobos that have HDMI out also combine the sound in there? |
| [03:34:35] | squish102: | i hope i have just bought one ;) |
| [03:34:37] | RyeBrye: | and woudl the sound output be multichannel |
| [03:34:47] | RyeBrye: | You'll have to let me know how it goes |
| [03:34:47] | Coded1: | jpastore, its goes by how much you want to get done at once, as a reference an average 7200rpm drive ~ 60–80mbps, 1080p ~ 22mb/s |
| [03:35:04] | Coded1: | if its a sata drive that is |
| [03:35:08] | liquidss: | squish: I'm just using a standard knoppmyth (r5.5) install, none of the video playback settings were changed |
| [03:35:09] | RyeBrye: | If the motherboard spits out HDMI with multichannel sound, that'd be great |
| [03:35:13] | Coded1: | ide ~ 40mbps |
| [03:35:27] | jpastore: | well, I'd like to be able to watch 1 channel while recording another or possibly record 2 while watching prerecorded content... |
| [03:35:33] | squish102: | RyeBrye this one should be arriving tomorrow http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . pk=GA-MA78GM |
| [03:35:45] | Coded1: | jpastore, its all about the ram |
| [03:35:58] | jpastore: | Coded1, how much would you recommend 4G? |
| [03:36:04] | Coded1: | get lots, it will give time for the data to be flushed |
| [03:36:11] | Coded1: | if you can afford it go for it |
| [03:36:18] | Coded1: | not much more though |
| [03:36:25] | jpastore: | k |
| [03:36:26] | LanUser: | jpastore: what's your budget? |
| [03:36:35] | jpastore: | well I was going to just go to dell...and finance it =) |
| [03:36:48] | Coded1: | jpastore, now that i think about it go for a NAS |
| [03:37:08] | RyeBrye: | squish102 – nice price on that motherboard. I've been looking at realy pricey asus boards because I'm thinking of OC'ing a C2Q from 2.8 GHz to 3.4 or so |
| [03:37:10] | liquidss: | also.... |
| [03:37:13] | liquidss: | mplayer -ao alsa:device=spdif -ac hwac3 dvd:// |
| [03:37:27] | RyeBrye: | Well.. really pricey meaning $190 or so |
| [03:37:29] | squish102: | jpastore i have 2 HD tuners and an SD tuner recording at the same time and it is onto a software JBOD and no problems (7200 disks) |
| [03:37:31] | liquidss: | that outputs sound correctly, so mplayer itself isn't at fault |
| [03:37:36] | RyeBrye: | not those REALLY pricey ones that are in the $500 range |
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| [03:38:23] | squish102: | RyeBrye, i picked up a cheap low power amd am2 and matched an open box mobo with it |
| [03:38:36] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, that's probably the logical way to do it |
| [03:39:12] | ** RyeBrye wants to watch HD with timestretch and 2x de-interlacing... ** | |
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| [03:40:47] | liquidss: | eh, nevermind.. I'll just modify mplayer-resumer.pl to pass in -ao alsa:device=spdif |
| [03:40:49] | liquidss: | since that works. |
| [03:41:00] | liquidss: | thanks anyway |
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| [03:44:43] | jpastore: | holy crap they have quad monitor video card for 3k! |
| [03:44:48] | jpastore: | that's a little crazy |
| [03:45:07] | jpastore: | I mena if you're going to spend that much you need 4 24" monitors =) |
| [03:48:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpastore: 24" Soyo monitors are $299 at Micro Center after $50 rebate... ;-) |
| [03:48:45] | jpastore: | kewl |
| [03:49:00] | jpastore: | dell seems a little retarded no their pricing... |
| [03:49:04] | jpastore: | er on |
| [03:50:22] | jpastore: | is a quadcore really needed? |
| [03:50:36] | jpastore: | can I deal with a dualcore 2.4 and be happy? |
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| [03:55:03] | cesman: | jpastore: "is a quadcore really needed?"for what? |
| [03:55:12] | iamlindoro: | heading his living room |
| [03:55:14] | iamlindoro: | er heating |
| [03:55:36] | cesman: | lol |
| [03:55:52] | Shadow__X: | go get an old amd those pout out moar heat |
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| [03:57:57] | jpastore: | cesman, well I'm specing out a box and was wondering if most of the load for encoding is handled on the cpu or the gpu? |
| [03:58:14] | jpastore: | should I go for a quadcore if I'm going to record 2 things at once? |
| [03:58:31] | iamlindoro: | what are you planning to record with? |
| [03:58:31] | cesman: | recording what? |
| [03:58:57] | jpastore: | not sure what I'm going to record with...new to myth tv. |
| [03:59:00] | cesman: | a software tuner is going to eat the most CPU |
| [03:59:13] | iamlindoro: | and anything but a software tuner will eat none/next to none at all |
| [03:59:16] | jpastore: | I'm looking for help on what I should be putting together |
| [03:59:36] | cesman: | a hardware MPEG, ATSC or DVB tuner does eat much CPU |
| [03:59:45] | iamlindoro: | Where's dagmar with that executive overview? |
| [03:59:47] | jpastore: | well what hardware tuner would you recommend |
| [04:01:17] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card |
| [04:01:25] | cesman: | jpastore: if you need more help, you need to answer iamlindoro question above |
| [04:01:27] | iamlindoro: | figure out which type you need, then we can make recommendations |
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| [04:02:12] | Dagmar: | What? You can't type "Executive_Overview" at the end of a URL? |
| [04:02:27] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Of course I can, you just seem to love pasting it for people ;) |
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| [04:03:02] | iamlindoro: | also possibly helpful: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Configuring_HDTV |
| [04:03:18] | iamlindoro: | and of course, the ever-popular: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview |
| [04:03:53] | jpastore: | thank you...let me look it over...I'm sure I'll be back with questions |
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| [04:06:47] | jpastore: | so wait I can setup 1 mighty box to act as the mysql server/backend and a front end? and setup a second box in another room as another front end that interfaces with it over the network to stream content etc? |
| [04:07:05] | Dagmar: | You *can* |
| [04:07:11] | Dagmar: | MytSQL isn't _that_ needy tho |
| [04:07:21] | Dagmar: | RAM is it's main thing |
| [04:07:21] | jpastore: | just looking at the diagram... |
| [04:07:26] | jpastore: | how does mysql fit in |
| [04:07:38] | Dagmar: | It's the database server |
| [04:08:02] | jpastore: | I get that it's a database server....it is required to make all this happen right? |
| [04:08:04] | iamlindoro: | in short, though, yes, you can put Mythbackend, mythfrontend, and mysql on one box as long as it's halfways decent |
| [04:08:06] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [04:08:28] | jpastore: | k...I'm a lot more friendly with postgresql....can that be substituted or is that not supported? |
| [04:08:36] | Dagmar: | Not really. Not afaik |
| [04:08:41] | jpastore: | k |
| [04:09:20] | iamlindoro: | in most people's myth building/use, they will not do more than about four commands at a mysql prompt anyway, which can more or less be copied out of the myth manual |
| [04:09:34] | iamlindoro: | and in everyday use, you won't touch mysql at all. |
| [04:10:07] | jpastore: | ahhh good to know |
| [04:10:27] | jpastore: | just curious...where does the programming come from? or do I have to build that manually? |
| [04:10:40] | Dagmar: | huh? What programming? |
| [04:10:42] | iamlindoro: | you mean the listings? |
| [04:10:49] | jpastore: | I have a private cable company as a service provider and they suck |
| [04:10:50] | jpastore: | yea |
| [04:10:52] | jpastore: | sorry |
| [04:10:53] | iamlindoro: | You get an account (assuming US) at Schedulesdirect |
| [04:11:00] | iamlindoro: | and myth interfaces with that. |
| [04:11:23] | iamlindoro: | $20/year, 7 day free trial Not bad for less than a nickel a day |
| [04:11:27] | jpastore: | really...wonder if they support my cable co's listing... |
| [04:11:30] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [04:11:38] | iamlindoro: | oh, wait, sorruy |
| [04:11:51] | iamlindoro: | you meant whether they would have listings for your cable co, my bad |
| [04:12:06] | jpastore: | that's cheap... |
| [04:12:09] | jpastore: | yea... =) |
| [04:12:10] | iamlindoro: | yes, in all liklihood they (TMS, anyway, the listings provider) is the one who sells your cable co the listings |
| [04:12:26] | Dagmar: | ...and the programming |
| [04:13:36] | jpastore: | how can I confirm that they support my cable company...I use advanced cable communications one fo the only small privately held co's left in the u.s. from what I understand |
| [04:13:52] | Dagmar: | Just go to their site and set up a trial account. |
| [04:13:55] | iamlindoro: | sign up for the free trial |
| [04:14:08] | iamlindoro: | you don't give any financial info when you set up the account, it's safe |
| [04:14:13] | Dagmar: | It's kinda hard to miss the "enter your zip code" here box |
| [04:14:24] | iamlindoro: | or, you can go to www.zap2it.com |
| [04:14:25] | Dagmar: | From there it shows the providers TMS is selling francise rights to |
| [04:14:29] | iamlindoro: | and look for listings for your zip |
| [04:14:33] | iamlindoro: | if they have it, SD has it |
| [04:14:42] | jpastore: | kewl thanks |
| [04:14:55] | jpastore: | you guys rock...I appreciate the help |
| [04:15:26] | iamlindoro: | but considering SD has the cable lineups for single APARTMENT complexes in my area, my guess is a cable co won't be an issue :) |
| [04:15:45] | iamlindoro: | "Rancho Santa Teresa Mobile Home Park – Cable (San Jose) " |
| [04:15:45] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [04:16:32] | Dagmar: | After a bit of thinking it started to make sense how they could know about these |
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| [04:16:52] | Dagmar: | None of these area-based cable companies negotiate with individual networks. |
| [04:17:00] | Dagmar: | They buy package licences. |
| [04:17:20] | Dagmar: | With that, the francisee knows who is showing what |
| [04:17:31] | jpastore: | yea I found my cable provider on zap2it |
| [04:17:39] | Dagmar: | The "follow the money" method of reverse engineering a distribution system |
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| [04:21:27] | jpastore: | that exec overview gave a good 50k ft view...well written... |
| [04:21:53] | Dagmar: | I has a literacy |
| [04:22:24] | Dagmar: | ...and the first thing I thought after getting the damn thing running was "Jesus it would have been a lot easier to set up if I actually knew how it was *supposed* to work." |
| [04:22:41] | Dagmar: | I'm samrt. Got decades of experience. |
| [04:22:47] | jpastore: | right I installed the myth tv package for ubuntu and was lost |
| [04:22:51] | Dagmar: | It still took two evenings to get the thing running |
| [04:22:54] | jpastore: | uninstalled it and moved on |
| [04:23:30] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, so now assuming US cable, you will want either a) an analog tuner to record from the set top box or the first 80 or so channels straight out the wall, b) a Digital tuner to record anything that's unencrypted in digital HD (usually network TV only), c) a digital tuner for antenna digital broadcasts, or d) some combination of all of the above. |
| [04:23:52] | iamlindoro: | b assumes your provider is actually a digital network |
| [04:23:58] | jpastore: | just after losing all that data recently and wasting $300 on the netgear eva 8000 I said screw this I know I can do better myth tv if I put a little energy into it |
| [04:24:31] | jpastore: | I have digital, and HD I would like to be able to record both |
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| [04:25:03] | jpastore: | you recommended a hardware tuner right? |
| [04:25:04] | iamlindoro: | okay, so the thing to keep in mind is that most digital channels are going to be encrypted (this includes all the fancy HD you pay for) and you will not be able to record. |
| [04:25:19] | Dagmar: | Hence, Hauppauge has brought us the wonderful 1212 unit. |
| [04:25:29] | iamlindoro: | ugh, I hate it when people call it that |
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| [04:25:39] | jpastore: | what is it? |
| [04:25:43] | Dagmar: | The HD-PVR. |
| [04:25:45] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/HD-PVR |
| [04:26:05] | iamlindoro: | It's a new device that *does* allow you to record all your fancy HD via the component outs of your set top box |
| [04:26:24] | iamlindoro: | the catch is that it's brand new and still a work in progress both in terms of myth and linux support |
| [04:26:24] | Dagmar: | Takes component input from an HD box, up to 1080, spits out h.264-encided streams. |
| [04:26:41] | jpastore: | that |
| [04:26:46] | jpastore: | that's pretty kewl |
| [04:26:55] | jpastore: | how much do they tun about? |
| [04:27:02] | iamlindoro: | which is to say you need to compile and run the development version of myth to be able to run it at all, and even then it's not all quite there yet |
| [04:27:04] | iamlindoro: | $249 |
| [04:27:05] | Dagmar: | $212–260 |
| [04:27:13] | jpastore: | nice |
| [04:27:16] | Shadow__X: | hey can true 1080p be pushed over components or are some electronics lieing |
| [04:27:21] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:27:23] | iamlindoro: | it can |
| [04:27:42] | Shadow__X: | thanks thats what i thought |
| [04:27:45] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [04:28:17] | jpastore: | so can I use it in non hd mode whlie I wait for the kinks to be worked out or will the driver/myth not support it at all? |
| [04:28:30] | iamlindoro: | Oh, the other major catch to the HD-Pvr is that you presently need a computer owned by Jesus Christ himself upon which heavenly light streams to play things back |
| [04:28:50] | iamlindoro: | jpastore, it's ont the resolution that's at issue |
| [04:28:52] | iamlindoro: | er not |
| [04:29:23] | iamlindoro: | It's that the driver is beta at best, somewhat buggy, and the myth support is even more beta if not alpha |
| [04:29:24] | jpastore: | WTF? |
| [04:29:50] | jpastore: | you mean I'm going to need a lot of processing power to make this happen with this box? |
| [04:29:54] | Dagmar: | h264 is a bit CPU intensive to playback |
| [04:30:05] | jpastore: | so go with a quadcore? |
| [04:30:11] | Dagmar: | 2.4Ghz *core* CPU or faster is pretty much a requisite at a moment |
| [04:30:16] | Dagmar: | s/at a/at the/; |
| [04:30:26] | Dagmar: | Quad core wont mean shit. |
| [04:30:26] | jpastore: | =) |
| [04:30:33] | Dagmar: | The core has to have _raw speed_. |
| [04:30:37] | iamlindoro: | I mean to currently comfortably play back streams recorded by *that* particular device, the HD-PVR, you will need a 2.4 Ghz Core 2 Duo and need to hack in support for CoreAVC, or a 3.0 Ghz dual core without |
| [04:30:39] | clever: | Dagmar: no sliced encoding? |
| [04:30:42] | Dagmar: | 2.4Ghz core at the very least |
| [04:30:51] | iamlindoro: | clever, no |
| [04:30:53] | Dagmar: | clever: What does encoding have to do with this"? |
| [04:30:55] | iamlindoro: | single sliced |
| [04:31:10] | clever: | Dagmar: the sliced encoding lets you decode on 2 cores(or more) |
| [04:31:24] | Dagmar: | clever: You've been reading some stuff while high again |
| [04:31:26] | jpastore: | I saw (rather pricey) dual processor quad core workstations from dell... |
| [04:31:36] | Dagmar: | It doesn't matter what's in the stream. |
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| [04:31:50] | jpastore: | would that be overkill? |
| [04:31:50] | Dagmar: | WE currently don't have a solid, multi-threaded playback codec. |
| [04:31:58] | iamlindoro: | actually, clever is correct here-- the fact that it's single slice encoded is why it can't be currently multithreaded |
| [04:32:01] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah that would hurt also |
| [04:32:03] | Dagmar: | Give it six months tops tho. It'll be there. |
| [04:32:32] | jpastore: | so beef it up now ...support is coming? |
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| [04:32:43] | iamlindoro: | janne did some tests with the new multithreading code today, btw, with disappointing results so far |
| [04:32:46] | Dagmar: | Nah, just get a dual-core 2.4Ghz or better CPU for playback and you'll be good |
| [04:32:58] | jpastore: | k |
| [04:33:03] | Dagmar: | Quad would be severe overkill unless you can get it very cheap |
| [04:33:03] | iamlindoro: | 2.4 is only good enough if he uses CoreAVC |
| [04:33:04] | ** clever acts surprised ** | |
| [04:33:14] | iamlindoro: | 3.0 without CoreAVC |
| [04:33:27] | Dagmar: | I'm kinda squeaking by on 2.4Ghz |
| [04:33:43] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, when did you get an HD-PVR? |
| [04:33:45] | jpastore: | what's coreavc? |
| [04:33:47] | Dagmar: | I didn't, |
| [04:33:57] | Dagmar: | I have been downloading all kindsa video files to punish my CPU with first. |
| [04:34:15] | Dagmar: | jpastore: A non-free codec |
| [04:34:17] | clever: | jpastore: i beleive its a special way to decode single sliced streams on multiple cores |
| [04:34:21] | iamlindoro: | jpastore, a software decoder that can be hacked in to work with myth that plays the HD-PVr recordings much better, and at lower CPU specs |
| [04:34:26] | Dagmar: | It costs money, but it's cheap |
| [04:34:30] | iamlindoro: | $15 |
| [04:34:31] | clever: | ouch |
| [04:35:01] | iamlindoro: | That's clever's paper route money for two weeks |
| [04:35:06] | clever: | lol |
| [04:35:19] | clever: | and thats actualy 1.5 weeks of 'income' :P |
| [04:35:26] | clever: | not including taxes |
| [04:35:29] | jpastore: | if I'm going to spend a couple grand on hardware....15 for a codec is worth it |
| [04:35:35] | Dagmar: | Jesus man get a job |
| [04:35:43] | iamlindoro: | s/income/allowance/ |
| [04:35:52] | Dagmar: | jpastore: Couple grand? Pfft. $1000 would be a lot |
| [04:36:06] | jpastore: | well I was going to dump into hdd space |
| [04:36:18] | Dagmar: | You planning on a 15Tb array? |
| [04:36:24] | Dagmar: | 500Gb is $80–90. |
| [04:36:26] | jpastore: | I wanted to make this a samba server with raid 5 sata drives |
| [04:36:42] | jpastore: | I just lost a buncha shit on my external and I don't want that to happen again |
| [04:36:50] | clever: | Dagmar: id be happy with 1tb :P |
| [04:36:59] | clever: | thats nearly double what i have now |
| [04:37:12] | jpastore: | I was contemplating 4 1tb drives in a raid 5 config |
| [04:38:00] | clever: | i still have a 60gig drive full of stuff i want to recover thats borderline dead |
| [04:38:28] | orkid: | there was a deal here in canada a few weeks back, 500gb for 50$ . crazy .. obviously not repeated again.. 1tb for 140 can be had though |
| [04:38:39] | Dagmar: | So, $90 for 500gb of $189 for 1Tb |
| [04:38:48] | Dagmar: | Same difference, so to speak |
| [04:39:08] | Dagmar: | s/of/or/; |
| [04:39:36] | jpastore: | well I figure the cost will be in the controller |
| [04:40:48] | clever: | i cant even use sata so that would be another expense if i was to get some big drives |
| [04:41:06] | jpastore: | $250 for the hd pvr, I need a tv out card...what $100? 4G Ram quad core 2.4, raid 5 sata controller 4 1tb drives |
| [04:41:14] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [04:41:18] | jpastore: | am I missing anything other then the obvious basics (mb, mic etc) |
| [04:41:22] | Dagmar: | A $30 nVidia 5200 will do it |
| [04:41:39] | clever: | i got a few boards that are practicaly bare frame buffers with tvout |
| [04:41:46] | clever: | and agp for some reason |
| [04:42:11] | jpastore: | do I need a tv tuner card? does the 1212 work that out? |
| [04:42:37] | Dagmar: | You need an STB with that |
| [04:42:45] | jpastore: | STB? |
| [04:43:01] | Dagmar: | ...one that does component output, which actually all of them should but look closely because some places need the FCC cluebat |
| [04:43:28] | orkid: | set top box |
| [04:43:59] | jpastore: | ok I have a stb...the 1212 can control that? |
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| [04:44:43] | Dagmar: | No, but LIRC and MythTV can. |
| [04:44:46] | jpastore: | hey double_helix |
| [04:44:56] | jpastore: | what's LIRC? |
| [04:45:05] | Dagmar: | Linux Infra Red Control |
| [04:45:16] | Dagmar: | It's the thing that handles all the IR (both input and output) for Myth |
| [04:45:25] | double_helix: | Hey Jon |
| [04:45:32] | Dagmar: | It was mentioned on the executive overview page, I'm pretty sure. |
| [04:45:35] | jpastore: | ahh |
| [04:45:45] | Dagmar: | In some cases you can use a firewire cable to change channels. |
| [04:45:47] | jpastore: | I think so just as IR though |
| [04:45:51] | Dagmar: | In rare cases, you can get hte video over firewire. |
| [04:45:58] | jpastore: | it's also late here and I'm going to need to read that again =) |
| [04:46:05] | Dagmar: | ...mainly only in the SF Bay area tho. |
| [04:46:33] | ** iamlindoro strokes his precious firewireses ** | |
| [04:46:43] | jpastore: | yea I'm on the other side the country...I don't think my motorola stb supports firewire |
| [04:47:21] | Dagmar: | If ya gotta firewire card you can screw around with, it would be worth taking a crack at at least |
| [04:47:46] | jpastore: | I think it has usb2 ports |
| [04:47:52] | jpastore: | no firewire tho |
| [04:47:54] | jpastore: | let me look |
| [04:48:28] | Shadow__X: | i gotz firewires |
| [04:49:21] | jpastore: | no firewire...but I got attacked by a beer on the way and had to take care of that =) |
| [04:49:30] | Dagmar: | Teach that mofo a lesson |
| [04:50:10] | jpastore: | so that nvidia you were talking about had componet out? |
| [04:50:24] | Dagmar: | NOpe. |
| [04:50:33] | Dagmar: | I think you're getting things a bit out of sequence |
| [04:50:46] | jpastore: | I'm almost certain of it |
| [04:50:46] | Dagmar: | Basically, your needs for video out are "whatevr you can connect to your TV" |
| [04:51:02] | Dagmar: | ...which if you have an older TV, s-video will do SD. |
| [04:51:13] | Dagmar: | Most newer TVs will take VGA or DVI, actually. |
| [04:51:16] | jpastore: | I can connect just about anything to the tv...I even have 3 firewire ports on my tv...wtf for I have no idea |
| [04:51:20] | Dagmar: | Kinda easier to use the TV with that than HDMI even |
| [04:51:31] | Dagmar: | Because video can be punted over firewire |
| [04:51:36] | Dagmar: | ...and lots of DVs use that |
| [04:51:44] | jpastore: | no hdmi it's a couple of years old |
| [04:51:55] | jpastore: | I have vga...no dvi... |
| [04:52:22] | jpastore: | I would prefer to put it in as an hd source in my a/v receiver |
| [04:53:25] | jpastore: | I can put s-video and component to the receiver for video and rca or tos for audio |
| [04:55:20] | double_helix: | Jon... most nVidia cards come with DVI to Component converter cables... but yea... run DVI if you have it |
| [04:55:48] | Dagmar: | DVI->HDMI is also a doddle. Trivial converter. |
| [04:56:14] | Dagmar: | Zero advantage for HDMI over DVI, unless you really want cumbersome HDCP. |
| [04:57:31] | double_helix: | these guys probably know better... but to do 1080P I think you need Component due to s-video can't handle the bandwidth? Assuming you have something that can has that as a source |
| [04:58:17] | jpastore: | double_helix, ok...didn't know there was a dvi to component....no hdmi though |
| [04:58:43] | double_helix: | Yea... I have a 7600 and the wife has a 8800gt... both came with the cables |
| [04:58:51] | jpastore: | kewl |
| [04:59:13] | double_helix: | Mine is eVGA brand and her's is BFG |
| [04:59:43] | double_helix: | and if all else fails... you can have my cable... I dont need it |
| [04:59:44] | jpastore: | well I was looking at ibuypower.com to spec something out but they build mostly gaming machines... |
| [05:00:02] | jpastore: | maybe you might after we're successful with my box =) |
| [05:00:05] | orkid: | bfg *thumbs down* they dont even have cvables for theoir 9660gt for audio in (hdmi) |
| [05:00:08] | double_helix: | right... but whats the difference between a gaming machine and what will be your main Myth server? |
| [05:00:26] | jpastore: | looking for sata raid controller |
| [05:00:26] | Dagmar: | You sure as hell don't need a $200 video card on the Myth box. |
| [05:00:47] | jpastore: | not but HD out is kind of important |
| [05:01:02] | Dagmar: | VGA/DVI are capable of greater resolutions. |
| [05:01:05] | Dagmar: | No worries there. |
| [05:01:06] | jpastore: | can that be achieved with a sub $200 video card? |
| [05:01:13] | Dagmar: | A native HDMI output gains you pretty much nothing. |
| [05:01:31] | jpastore: | so just get a cheap dvi nvidia? |
| [05:01:36] | Dagmar: | Dude, when was the last time you bought a card that coulnd't do 1280x1024. |
| [05:01:52] | jpastore: | too long |
| [05:01:59] | jpastore: | I don't even recall |
| [05:02:03] | Dagmar: | Just one notch above that will handle 1080 |
| [05:02:26] | jpastore: | I haven't bought individual parts in years...been mostly buying prebuilt shit for corp |
| [05:02:26] | double_helix: | just so I know... oh never mind you answered it... 1080 is 1900 x 1080 right? |
| [05:02:35] | Dagmar: | My main display on the PC at home is 1680x1050, which is another close contender, and 1600x1200 is pretty much standard fare |
| [05:02:45] | Dagmar: | 1080 is 1080. |
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| [05:03:02] | Dagmar: | The horizontal part of it is kinda inconsequential |
| [05:03:16] | jpastore: | really why is that? |
| [05:03:24] | double_helix: | cuase it could be 4:9, 16x9, 16x10? |
| [05:03:35] | Dagmar: | Because of all the damn smoke and mirrors involved in broadcasting digital signals. |
| [05:03:46] | Dagmar: | Yeah, you've got a hard-won clue there that many people don't. |
| [05:03:59] | Dagmar: | The pixel sizes and aspect ratios have very little to do with each other. |
| [05:04:03] | jpastore: | so you just care about the vertical being 1080 and the horizontal is where that ratio comes in? |
| [05:04:15] | Dagmar: | Video could be 1080x1080 for all some broadcasters could care |
| [05:04:33] | Dagmar: | The vertical bit is important because of the way our eyes work |
| [05:04:56] | Dagmar: | Something about not having had to worry about flying predators for as long as terrestrial preditors and natural selection. |
| [05:04:59] | orkid: | what are the lowset end cards that can do video decoding acceleration though? (mpeg2/mpeg4) |
| [05:05:13] | orkid: | radeon 3850 ? |
| [05:05:22] | Dagmar: | Dunno a thing about ATI. |
| [05:05:30] | Sulx: | nvidia fx5300 or something? |
| [05:05:38] | clever: | i know my ati card gave alot of trouble and system crashes:P |
| [05:05:38] | Dagmar: | Oh god way older than that support MPEG decoding |
| [05:05:40] | jpastore: | huh...that's a part of biology I missed by dropping out =) |
| [05:05:40] | Sulx: | at least mpeg2 |
| [05:05:49] | Dagmar: | None of it supports accellerated h264 under Linux at hte moment |
| [05:05:56] | cesman: | as far as I'm aware, no card does MPEG4 w/ Linux at the moment |
| [05:05:57] | Sulx: | true |
| [05:06:18] | Dagmar: | Basically, look up the card on any site that says what it does for video |
| [05:06:39] | Dagmar: | XvMC, Motion Compression, etc mean it'll generally do video accel using the binary driver from the manufacturer |
| [05:06:45] | orkid: | what does it with windows ? |
| [05:06:52] | Dagmar: | PureVideo means it *might* at some point six months down the road do the same thing for h264 |
| [05:07:12] | Dagmar: | PureVideo/TrueVideo. (A little tired, can't remember which) |
| [05:09:53] | orkid: | so that's all just the dxva stuff right? i wonder if something similar will ever come for linux through opengl perhaps? |
| [05:10:05] | cesman: | nVidia is "PureVideo" |
| [05:10:48] | jpastore: | what should I get for the LIRC? |
| [05:11:30] | jpabq: | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . ode=10005936 |
| [05:11:56] | jpastore: | thanks |
| [05:12:14] | jpastore: | damn that's cheap |
| [05:12:45] | jpastore: | matt check that out...we get 4 of those...little over $500 |
| [05:13:04] | jpastore: | that pos eva 8000 I'm returnign should cover the that...and the bunk drive =) |
| [05:13:49] | jpabq: | zipzoomfly's reputation is *almost* as good as Neweggs. |
| [05:14:02] | jpastore: | newegg really pissed me off today |
| [05:14:55] | jpabq: | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . ode=10009089 |
| [05:15:38] | jpastore: | that's a little much for right now. |
| [05:16:12] | RyeBrye: | Yeah, the 1.5 TB is a premium now |
| [05:17:16] | RyeBrye: | if you have enough bays, you can get 6 1 TB drives for $996 – or 3 1.5 TB drives for about the same... |
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| [05:20:45] | jpastore: | this motherboard has onboard video with dvi /hdmi out that matt found and hardware raid built into the bios... http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=3&l2 . . . ;modelmenu=1 you think this will work under linux for the video out? |
| [05:21:14] | jpastore: | the forceware driver for linux are generally universal right? |
| [05:21:24] | jpastore: | s/are/is/ |
| [05:26:01] | Shadow__X: | how does that have hardware raid |
| [05:26:05] | Shadow__X: | i didnt find that anywhere |
| [05:26:11] | jpastore: | bios supports raid |
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| [05:26:25] | jpastore: | trying to verify it supports raid 5 |
| [05:26:33] | Shadow__X: | thats software though |
| [05:26:48] | jpastore: | it's bios how is that software? |
| [05:27:45] | jpastore: | why would I need bios to support raid if it wasn't doing it? it says: 4 x SATA 3Gb/s with RAID function |
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| [05:29:06] | Shadow__X: | is anyone else here |
| [05:29:52] | jpastore: | my cable box has usb ports...can myth control it through that or I need LIRC? |
| [05:30:04] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:30:12] | Shadow__X: | you are pretty new to mythtv arent ya |
| [05:30:17] | jpastore: | yea |
| [05:30:18] | Shadow__X: | have you built computers before |
| [05:30:19] | jpastore: | very |
| [05:30:22] | jpastore: | yes |
| [05:30:27] | Shadow__X: | hmm with raid |
| [05:30:28] | jpastore: | not in while tho |
| [05:30:38] | jpastore: | usually buy servers with raid |
| [05:30:43] | jpastore: | and make dell work it out |
| [05:30:46] | Shadow__X: | ah yes |
| [05:30:48] | Shadow__X: | ok |
| [05:30:58] | jpastore: | this would be first for sata raid for personal use |
| [05:30:59] | Shadow__X: | well with raid on mb |
| [05:31:06] | Shadow__X: | its software |
| [05:31:20] | double_helix1: | Can you provide some proof to that statement? |
| [05:31:22] | jpastore: | so get a raid controller like an lsi? |
| [05:31:28] | Shadow__X: | meaning if you use it and install windows you have to press f7 or f6 whatever is it for the raid driver |
| [05:31:32] | double_helix1: | cause I never heard that before |
| [05:31:43] | Shadow__X: | double_helix, who are you talking to |
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| [05:31:49] | double_helix1: | You yes... |
| [05:31:56] | double_helix1: | I never heard that before |
| [05:32:02] | Shadow__X: | heard what |
| [05:32:08] | double_helix1: | willing to admit when I dont know something |
| [05:32:16] | double_helix1: | so I'd be happy to read |
| [05:32:31] | Shadow__X: | raid on the mb being software raid |
| [05:32:32] | Shadow__X: | ? |
| [05:32:36] | double_helix1: | Yes |
| [05:32:45] | Shadow__X: | can i have proof otherwise |
| [05:32:59] | pat___: | http://linux-ata.org/faq-sata-raid.html |
| [05:33:11] | hadees: | wtf, the systm episode on mythtv mentioned the HD-PVR but never mentioned there were linux drivers |
| [05:33:40] | double_helix1: | Tons and Tons of RAID controllers require you to press F6 during install... first gen SATA drives did... because they didnt emulate IDE yet... and Windows install did not have the driver compiled into the OS Loader |
| [05:34:19] | Shadow__X: | buy for bios |
| [05:34:37] | iamlindoro: | hadees, even worse, he ASKED if there would be myth support, and the response was "Mayyyyyyyybe." |
| [05:34:40] | Shadow__X: | but for bios raid windows needs the driver to RUN your software partition |
| [05:34:44] | clever: | 00000000Aborted (core dumped) |
| [05:34:50] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i know!!! |
| [05:35:00] | clever: | 2008-08–20 02:34:01.309 scheduler: Finished recording: Sabrina, the Teenage Witch: channel 1020 |
| [05:35:02] | clever: | *** glibc detected *** mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption: 0x085b2b09 *** |
| [05:35:04] | clever: | ======= Backtrace: ========= |
| [05:35:14] | clever: | :( |
| [05:35:18] | hadees: | lol, now its a big secret |
| [05:35:39] | clever: | yes, my backend loves to abort things:P |
| [05:35:39] | Shadow__X: | hey clever so your an interesting fella |
| [05:35:56] | iamlindoro: | check out mythnosabrinatheteenagewitch.cpp |
| [05:36:06] | clever: | lol |
| [05:36:13] | clever: | i dont think i'll find that file:P |
| [05:36:23] | clever: | and it aborts on other shows also |
| [05:36:32] | iamlindoro: | Do they all suck as bad? |
| [05:36:32] | clever: | QObject::startTimer: timers cannot be started from another thread |
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| [05:36:48] | clever: | iamlindoro: i pasted them before and no1 even noticed my spam:P |
| [05:37:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm sleepy, slow to respond |
| [05:37:41] | jpastore: | Shadow__X, what would you recommend for a sata controller...LSI? |
| [05:37:44] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i like some of the other shows |
| [05:37:54] | hadees: | iamlindoro, the one on wires is pretty good, one of the old ones |
| [05:38:17] | hadees: | and they have a decent overview of building a mame cabinet |
| [05:38:36] | Shadow__X: | i guess there are some you can check |
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| [05:58:59] | Nostahl: | heyey all |
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| [06:01:23] | Nostahl: | any myth arch users? |
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| [06:03:33] | double_helix1: | Hey Shadow... you are right about a bunch of them being software BS raid... |
| [06:03:35] | double_helix1: | howveer |
| [06:03:39] | double_helix1: | nVIDIA is not |
| [06:03:48] | double_helix1: | not the new ones anyway |
| [06:03:58] | double_helix1: | although there is a software program to configure the raid |
| [06:04:05] | double_helix1: | raid is handled on chip |
| [06:04:12] | double_helix1: | just FYI |
| [06:04:21] | double_helix1: | the old nForce4s were software raid |
| [06:04:53] | double_helix1: | I didnt know any of them were software... so I learned something new |
| [06:05:13] | double_helix1: | FYI this is the tech they use now http://www.nvidia.com/object/feature_raid.html |
| [06:06:00] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [06:06:31] | double_helix1: | so, we were both right :) |
| [06:07:04] | double_helix1: | anyway man... have a good night... 2am and I cant see straight |
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| [06:56:17] | strex: | im thinking of adding a dlimk media player to my place, i know mythtv supports UPNPAV anyone know if it supports warching live-tv and or revordings? |
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| [07:07:49] | strex: | sup folks |
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| [07:10:08] | strex: | is there a chan op here? |
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| [07:13:59] | tank-man: | no live tv |
| [07:14:27] | tank-man: | yea recordings possible thru upnp but no commercial skipping |
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| [07:28:33] | anenigma: | has anyone else noticed a weird buzz on audio while idle at the menu? in videos/etc the buzz is gone, and while i'm in "Watch Recordings" it's all quiet |
| [07:29:33] | anenigma: | but at the main menu, or inside mythvideo (but not watching a video) it buzzes. or possibly whines. it also temporarily stops while i'm scrolling through videos |
| [07:29:39] | anenigma: | but it starts as soon as i stop scrolling |
| [07:30:53] | Shadow__X: | anenigma, how is audio plugged in |
| [07:31:50] | anenigma: | 3.5mm cable |
| [07:32:00] | anenigma: | to audio-in on my tv |
| [07:32:32] | anenigma: | i don't doubt it could be my audio drivers, but i don't "think" it's the actual cabling as the buzz/whine stops if i go into "watch recordings" |
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| [07:33:45] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [07:34:08] | Shadow__X: | try plugging headphones in and see if that works fine |
| [07:34:29] | Shadow__X: | certain products can pick up noise more than others |
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| [07:38:33] | anenigma: | ya comes through on headphones too |
| [07:38:48] | anenigma: | from my headphones i can tell that it's only left speaker though |
| [07:38:53] | anenigma: | so probably an audio driver thing |
| [07:39:13] | anenigma: | wait, right speaker |
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| [07:39:51] | anenigma: | might be time to use the optical out on this box. except that requires more investment |
| [07:41:42] | Shadow__X: | well i get noise too |
| [07:41:52] | Shadow__X: | but not over certain things |
| [07:42:05] | Shadow__X: | if i were you try lowering your pcm value |
| [07:42:07] | Shadow__X: | then check |
| [07:42:37] | Shadow__X: | that should lower your noise level |
| [07:42:59] | Shadow__X: | lower the volume to around 70 percent |
| [07:43:09] | anenigma: | good point |
| [07:43:10] | anenigma: | ta |
| [07:44:02] | anenigma: | ok, i blame the tv now |
| [07:44:08] | Shadow__X: | why is that |
| [07:44:13] | anenigma: | the buzz has disappeared after switching the tv off for 5 minute |
| [07:44:14] | anenigma: | +s |
| [07:44:38] | Shadow__X: | or try unplugging the audio wire |
| [07:44:53] | wire: | but I like the audio |
| [07:45:01] | Shadow__X: | no sound |
| [07:45:06] | Shadow__X: | this chat no have sound |
| [07:47:00] | Shadow__X: | ./sound -off -noice=6 |
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| [08:23:36] | Dibblah: | My goodness. The saa716x development is apparently still active. |
| [08:23:37] | Dibblah: | http://jusst.de/hg/saa716x/ |
| [08:23:49] | Dibblah: | Of course, it doesn't actually work yet, but still interesting. |
| [08:23:56] | Dibblah: | (PCI-e DVB) |
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| [08:38:55] | rmf_: | my movie descriptions in mythvideo no longer show up (instead saying simply "None"); i'm running mythbuntu 8.04 snd mythtv]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] ]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]] |
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| [08:53:26] | webvictim: | think you might have a stuck key there, dude. |
| [08:53:26] | webvictim: | ;P |
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| [09:19:24] | gbee: | ok, just had a really spooky email – yesterday I was searching various sites to find a 'nano' bluetooth adapter, today I receive a bit of spam that got right past my spam filters (unusual enough), from pcgadgets2008@gmail.com advertising "Smallest Bluetooth Adapter" |
| [09:20:22] | gbee: | I'm starting to suspect that ebay 'leaked' my email/identity when I browsed past the shop of this company on their site |
| [09:21:13] | jblack: | It might be coincidence, but I wouldn't be surprised if they sold your search attempts. |
| [09:21:39] | jblack: | don't you set up a new email address for each site you give your password to? |
| [09:22:18] | gbee: | huge coincidence if that's all it is, but I've just checked and I didn't search Ebay for the bluetooth stuff, just touchscreen kits for the Eee |
| [09:22:53] | jblack: | Oh, so there you go. Didn't happen |
| [09:23:33] | gbee: | jblack: nah, I'd have hundreds of email addresses, I'd never remember them all and managing it would be a nightmare, I do have a lot of different passwords though |
| [09:23:44] | jblack: | I wonder how long a password needs to be in order to successfully frustrate the NSA. |
| [09:24:08] | jblack: | gbee: Yeah. I probably have close to a hundred aliases. I just forward them all to the same account. |
| [09:24:35] | jblack: | If I get spam on one, I look at what it address it was sent to, and delete the alias. |
| [09:25:15] | jblack: | been doing that for three or four years now. What surprised me was how rarely email addresses are actually sold. |
| [09:25:51] | gbee: | easier for me to just filter spam, I get maybe one email slip through in a fortnight |
| [09:25:53] | jblack: | companies are positively spammerific towards their own customers, but don't seem to be in the practice of selling them. |
| [09:25:58] | jblack: | Oh, I filter too. |
| [09:26:14] | jblack: | But I make business decisions in part based on how well a company behaves. |
| [09:27:11] | jblack: | With all that spam evaporating... hmmm. Maybe they're selling, and I just can't tell. |
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| [09:28:48] | jblack: | "SECURITY UPDATE: processes running as group mail could escalate privileges to the root user". That doesn't sound good at all. |
| [09:34:23] | AndyCap: | jblack: or maybe you're not dealing with shady or desperate enough companies? |
| [09:35:15] | sid3windr: | [20|11:23:44] < jblack> I wonder how long a password needs to be in order to successfully frustrate the NSA. |
| [09:35:19] | sid3windr: | a few billion characters? :p |
| [09:43:00] | clever: | sid3windr: wouldnt that eat up several gig of disk space... |
| [09:43:12] | clever: | how would you even pass(upload) such a thing to whatever site your logging into |
| [09:44:04] | sid3windr: | did I say it would be practical to use? :) |
| [09:44:09] | sid3windr: | that was not the question :) |
| [09:44:13] | clever: | that size is more what you would see with a public/private key pair, and even then it doesnt have to be so huge:P |
| [09:44:55] | clever: | just get a 4k bit key pair and you should be somewhat safe |
| [09:45:39] | clever: | aslong as the keyfile isnt stolen |
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| [10:22:44] | justinh: | reminds me I need to get my key stuff worky |
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| [10:28:20] | clever: | ive got a few single purpose keys i use from scripts |
| [10:28:28] | clever: | which are bound to only every run a certain command |
| [10:28:47] | justinh: | ahh duh! that's why the key didn't work. I need to make a key with the right username. my svn server username is different to my usual login name |
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| [10:30:43] | Solaris444: | Hi guys. Is anyone using mythdora? I can't seem to format softraid I made with jfs. |
| [10:31:03] | justinh: | ah jees. now I have to enter my blimmin passphrase all the time |
| [10:31:26] | Solaris444: | hi again justinh. |
| [10:31:50] | justinh: | raid for mythtv? no comment |
| [10:32:03] | Solaris444: | why no comment? |
| [10:32:18] | Solaris444: | The guy I'm building it for wants to archive all his dvds. |
| [10:32:57] | sid3windr: | yes, raid for mythtv |
| [10:33:01] | sid3windr: | it's a frakking pita to set up |
| [10:33:12] | sid3windr: | you don't want your efforts foiled by ultimately anyway dying hd |
| [10:33:27] | sid3windr: | question is not will it die, but when will it die |
| [10:33:46] | justinh: | don't know anything about soft raid, sorry |
| [10:34:03] | justinh: | maybe there are irc channels for that I dunno |
| [10:34:06] | sid3windr: | is the problem formatting softraid, Solaris444, or formatting with jfs? |
| [10:34:19] | sid3windr: | not that in either case I can really help ;) |
| [10:34:37] | quicksilver: | I have had no trouble using lvm + md |
| [10:34:38] | Solaris444: | not sure actually sid3windr. |
| [10:34:50] | quicksilver: | nor do I think any other solution would have been better. |
| [10:34:58] | Solaris444: | My understanding of software RAID in Linux was that you could still set up raid5? |
| [10:35:06] | quicksilver: | you sure can. |
| [10:35:20] | Solaris444: | right, but wouldn't that protect you from disk failure? |
| [10:35:25] | sid3windr: | it would |
| [10:35:34] | quicksilver: | I have 400+400+500+500 set up as a raid5 and a raid1 |
| [10:35:42] | quicksilver: | well 2 raid1s, indeed. |
| [10:35:43] | Solaris444: | I wanted to use jfs because I heard that using ext3 on myth boxes was a really bad idea. |
| [10:36:27] | Solaris444: | the problem being that deleting large files was/is a significant problem for ext3. |
| [10:36:47] | quicksilver: | I'm using xfs for that reason. |
| [10:36:49] | justinh: | raid isn't going to protect anything from accidental deletion though |
| [10:36:56] | Solaris444: | sid3windr: the format fails but it doesn't say why. |
| [10:37:02] | justinh: | and did you know that you can specify multiple directories for mythvideo? |
| [10:37:03] | Solaris444: | no i understand that justinh. |
| [10:37:15] | Solaris444: | But if you archived 200 dvds, you'd want some data security. |
| [10:37:54] | Solaris444: | justinh: specify multiple directories? |
| [10:38:07] | justinh: | "Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.". effing thanks man |
| [10:38:08] | sid3windr: | Solaris444: can you get to a commandline? try mkfs.jfs /dev/mdsomething |
| [10:38:27] | justinh: | Solaris444: yeah. you can have multiple video directories |
| [10:38:47] | Solaris444: | justinh: how would that work? one for dvds, one for tv and so on? |
| [10:39:09] | Solaris444: | sid3windr: any way you know of to get to the command line in the mythdora install? because I can't find one. |
| [10:39:28] | sid3windr: | nope |
| [10:39:32] | sid3windr: | never saw mythdora |
| [10:39:34] | sid3windr: | ctrl-alt-f2 ? |
| [10:39:41] | Solaris444: | hmm, i suppose i could try that. |
| [10:39:46] | Solaris444: | what distro are you using? |
| [10:39:58] | justinh: | Solaris444: one for whatever, another for something else.. another for another thing... all treated as a root dir for mythvideo AFAIK |
| [10:40:01] | Solaris444: | quicksilver: I heard xfs was very vulnerable to data loss. |
| [10:40:15] | Solaris444: | blast. dinner. brb. |
| [10:40:17] | justinh: | Solaris444: I heard that once but I think it was FUD |
| [10:40:51] | justinh: | people here have been using xfs, survived countless power outages & never lost a thing |
| [10:41:21] | justinh: | and of anybody around on the internet I'd trust those people over some random blogger ;) |
| [10:42:25] | quicksilver: | Solaris444: i don't consider my mythtv system important. |
| [10:42:35] | quicksilver: | lost episodes of bonekickers will not ruin my day |
| [10:42:48] | quicksilver: | so I don't built it the same way I'd build a system at work. |
| [10:45:04] | justinh: | yay. need to make my logins work under ssh-agent |
| [10:46:41] | dustybin: | now this is a excellent box for a firewall, it has 2 pci slot, 1 for extra NIC and the other for a wireless card |
| [10:46:45] | dustybin: | http://kentie.net/article/netvista/index.htm |
| [10:47:12] | justinh: | dustybin: saw one of those ugly compaq things on a doc's desk this morning. not all that bad actually |
| [10:47:25] | dustybin: | wow |
| [10:47:37] | dustybin: | did they look nice and compact? |
| [10:47:44] | justinh: | aye |
| [10:47:47] | dustybin: | ace |
| [10:47:53] | justinh: | well, compact. not nice :P |
| [10:48:00] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [10:48:09] | dustybin: | SDTV FTW |
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| [10:48:26] | dustybin: | maybe you could stick a c2d inside it, instant HD frontend |
| [10:48:43] | justinh: | they'll be burning us non believers at the stake soon ya know |
| [10:48:54] | dustybin: | if it can take a P4 2.8, why cant it take a C2D? |
| [10:49:16] | justinh: | regarding HDTV, I say OK. BIG CHEEEEEEEEEEEPIES. It's only telly |
| [10:49:27] | dustybin: | aye |
| [10:51:08] | the9a3eedi__: | I must say... I had bad experiences with xfs. at some point it got corrupt and I had to reformat. so I'm using jfs |
| [10:52:03] | justinh: | corruption can happen on any filesystem – FACT |
| [10:52:18] | directhex: | the9a3eedi__, i had that from jfs. three times. |
| [10:52:28] | directhex: | one on a critical server at work |
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| [10:56:29] | the9a3eedi: | I'm getting timeouts when mythfilldatabase is trying to connect to the master server. I made sure that both IPs are 127.0.0.1 .. anything else I need to check? |
| [10:58:05] | justinh: | check you're not using jfs |
| [10:59:04] | the9a3eedi: | . . . . . |
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| [10:59:45] | slaine_: | Hey guys, my endeavors paid off on Monday night. |
| [11:00:13] | slaine_: | my Mythbuntu/EPIA M10000 installation is up and running and it captured stargate atlantis for me :) |
| [11:00:35] | justinh: | uk peeps... http://hotukdeals.com/item/230940/acer-aspire . . . 89-05-with-/ |
| [11:00:46] | justinh: | slaine_: that's er.. nice. I think |
| [11:01:10] | justinh: | dustybin: http://hotukdeals.com/item/230030/buffalo-pc- . . . eater-wirel/ ! |
| [11:01:23] | slaine_: | justinh: like I said on Monday, working with what I have |
| [11:01:29] | slaine_: | at least I can record stuff again |
| [11:01:49] | justinh: | I watched that SG show once. you have my sympathy :P |
| [11:01:59] | Solaris444: | back |
| [11:02:12] | Solaris444: | well, can anyone comment on ext3 in mythtv? |
| [11:02:25] | slaine_: | Actually, something I've been meaning to ask, mpeg captures from a PVR-500 don't seem to playback too well on VLC, it's like the presentation timestamps are wrong as it speeds up |
| [11:02:31] | slaine_: | Is that a known issue ? |
| [11:02:45] | slaine_: | seems to playback fine with mplayer/mythtv |
| [11:02:53] | justinh: | Solaris444: it's fine so long as you don't delete hundreds of gigs at once. enabling slow deletes in mythtv-setup helps prevent any nasties though |
| [11:03:13] | Solaris444: | ahhhh |
| [11:03:14] | justinh: | slaine_: so don't use VLC to play back pvr recordings? |
| [11:03:18] | Solaris444: | that might help. |
| [11:03:21] | quicksilver: | ext3 on my machine is very roughly one second per gigabyte |
| [11:03:32] | quicksilver: | so a slight delay when deleting files but not the ends of the world. |
| [11:03:38] | Solaris444: | ok. does it cause interface lockups? |
| [11:03:39] | quicksilver: | of course, xfs is faster. |
| [11:03:45] | quicksilver: | and machines and disks vary. |
| [11:03:46] | Solaris444: | of course |
| [11:03:51] | quicksilver: | yes, it locks the interface |
| [11:04:05] | quicksilver: | (which is why you enable slow deletes) |
| [11:04:17] | justinh: | when I went to delete 300GB of recordings in one go it messed up the machine pretty completely |
| [11:04:19] | liri: | justinh: is it possible to completely remove the menu screens in mythfrontend regarding the tv function? (i.e: watch tv, watch/manage recordings, etc) |
| [11:04:41] | Solaris444: | thanks guys |
| [11:04:47] | Solaris444: | I'll give the whole thing another go. |
| [11:04:53] | justinh: | liri: yes. dig into the xml files. the wiki tells you how. see the entry for MENU THEMES |
| [11:05:10] | slaine_: | justinh, true, just curious if it's already a known issue |
| [11:05:18] | slaine_: | if so I might see if I can fix it |
| [11:05:20] | justinh: | liri: you can copy the main ones to ~/.mythtv/ & they'll override the defaults |
| [11:05:29] | liri: | justinh: ahh alright |
| [11:05:49] | liri: | justinh: I'm familiar with the XMLs, just figured maybe this is something configurable from the menu |
| [11:05:52] | justinh: | mainmenu.xml, etc etc not theme.xml, or *ui.xml |
| [11:05:55] | liri: | justinh: thanks :) |
| [11:06:07] | justinh: | no it's not configurable from the menu. there are quite enough config menus for now |
| [11:06:47] | liri: | definitely |
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| [11:14:57] | waxhead: | hi everyone |
| [11:15:13] | justinh: | we need more menu themes actually. maybe when I get time I'll draft some up.. a completely tv-less menu theme for starters |
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| [11:22:51] | dustybin: | justinh: can that box be made into a frontend? |
| [11:23:01] | dustybin: | http://hotukdeals.com/item/230030/buffalo-pc- . . . eater-wirel/ |
| [11:24:38] | gbee: | google's image search is stooopid – apparently medium images are anything between 50x50 pixels to somewhere at least 600x600 |
| [11:25:07] | gbee: | so much for classifying them in useful ranges |
| [11:25:18] | justinh: | dustybin: thinking of it more as a upnp frontendage |
| [11:25:25] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [11:25:39] | dustybin: | that box costs £40, the one in your doctor office is about the same |
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| [11:26:18] | dustybin: | wireless = no good |
| [11:26:36] | justinh: | it has ethernet too |
| [11:26:39] | dustybin: | yep |
| [11:27:09] | justinh: | plays h.264 AVC as well (!) |
| [11:27:15] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [11:27:20] | dustybin: | what OS does it run? |
| [11:27:51] | justinh: | probably something linuxy underneath |
| [11:28:10] | justinh: | but you can bet your life the driver for its media decoder won't be available |
| [11:28:18] | justinh: | so dick all use as a native frontend |
| [11:28:34] | dustybin: | yep |
| [11:28:54] | dustybin: | im going to stick with a HP Compaq D530 and net boot it |
| [11:29:41] | dustybin: | i might rip out the CPU and put a lower spec one inside it |
| [11:29:48] | dustybin: | 2.8 is way overkill |
| [11:30:07] | dustybin: | could stick a 1.7 P4 |
| [11:30:14] | justinh: | blimmin eck it'll play 720p |
| [11:31:38] | dustybin: | "The player is very buggy and crashes frequently. I have a matching Buffalo router to go with this player, but AOSS never worked. So I manually configure the player when it crashes, which is as frequent as few times a week" |
| [11:33:29] | justinh: | translation "I download way too many mkv files from bittorrent sources and I don't have a clue what I'm doing, therefore it's shite" |
| [11:34:52] | waxhead: | anyone seen one of these as a front end? http://www.linutop.com/linutop2/index.en.html |
| [11:35:03] | justinh: | bet it still suffers the same way as all other networked meeejia players though.. i.e. shite UI |
| [11:35:36] | justinh: | waxhead: oo mythtv on a 200mhz cpu. I bet that'll be nice |
| [11:36:44] | waxhead: | justinh: I thought was faster than that... |
| [11:36:55] | justinh: | maybe it's 600Mhz. even so |
| [11:36:56] | waxhead: | (*) Processing power |
| [11:36:56] | waxhead: | PIII – 800 MHz |
| [11:37:07] | justinh: | they use AMD Geode CPUs |
| [11:37:14] | waxhead: | no good? |
| [11:37:53] | justinh: | yup |
| [11:39:15] | justinh: | also not sure if its '2d video acceleration' includes Xv. If not, it's _definitely_ a write-off |
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| [11:42:08] | EugenA: | hi, i'm looking for motherboard for core2duo cpu |
| [11:42:54] | justinh: | try looking on computer component website shope |
| [11:43:43] | dustybin: | its very tempting to buy a nova-s-plus card and link it up to my not-used SKY dish |
| [11:43:44] | EugenA: | justinh, it is not difficult to find some boards, i need very compatible to mythtv board |
| [11:43:48] | dustybin: | but what would be the point |
| [11:44:14] | dustybin: | EugenA: stick with ASUS |
| [11:44:42] | justinh: | EugenA: there are not many motherboards which will not work with LINUX |
| [11:44:44] | xand: | any should be compatible. |
| [11:44:45] | justinh: | LINUX. not mythtv |
| [11:44:52] | justinh: | mythtv no support motherboar |
| [11:44:55] | dustybin: | stay away from foxCON |
| [11:45:24] | waxhead: | dustybin: that's been improved on from what some blogs are saying |
| [11:45:30] | EugenA: | what about Gigabyte GA-73PVM-S2H: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Gigabyte_GA-73PVM-S2H |
| [11:45:31] | dustybin: | hm |
| [11:45:45] | dustybin: | waxhead: even if they fix the problem, i would still never buy from them |
| [11:45:54] | justinh: | there's a fucking wiki entry about a motherboard?! |
| [11:46:02] | dustybin: | lol |
| [11:46:27] | gbee: | disappointed with myself, seems I might have *cough*illegally*cough* downloaded a few tracks from an album of a band I happen to respect, when I couldn't find the album among my CDs I first thought that I'd lost it, but now I'm noticing that the mp3s have a few discrepancies in the tags and I don't recognise the cover art |
| [11:46:50] | waxhead: | dustybin: fair enough.. |
| [11:47:01] | justinh: | !trout Elafargue ulesslesswikiarticle |
| [11:47:01] | ** MythLogBot slaps Elafargue with a ulesslesswikiarticle trout on behalf of justinh... ** | |
| [11:47:16] | waxhead: | I just went out and bought stuff... not a problem.. I thinkt he biggest issue is mostly around the video card you get... |
| [11:47:18] | dustybin: | justinh: does mythtv use Xv to scale low-res freeview into a HD resolution ? |
| [11:47:21] | waxhead: | the rest nearly always works... |
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| [11:47:35] | dustybin: | lol |
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| [11:47:52] | xand: | dustybin: honestly, haven't you been emptied yet?! |
| [11:48:00] | dustybin: | ? |
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| [11:48:34] | xand: | nm |
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| [11:50:08] | dustybin: | UK freeview is low-res PAL (720x576), imagine you display uses a res of (1920 x 1080), would a standard install of mythtv upscale the PAL to the HD resolution? |
| [11:50:27] | quicksilver: | it's it very expensive to upscale in software? |
| [11:50:33] | dustybin: | using Xv |
| [11:50:41] | quicksilver: | when your TV can undoubtedly do a reasonably good job of it in hardware? |
| [11:50:51] | quicksilver: | unless you really dislike your TV's upscaling? |
| [11:51:09] | dustybin: | quicksilver: your tv wouldnt upscale anything if your sending it the native res |
| [11:51:27] | dustybin: | mythtv would be doing the work |
| [11:51:27] | quicksilver: | so send it a lower res, when you're watching a lower res program. |
| [11:52:00] | dustybin: | quicksilver: you cannot do that, you are meant to use the native res of the display all the time |
| [11:52:09] | quicksilver: | why? |
| [11:52:17] | dustybin: | because thats what your meant to do |
| [11:52:19] | quicksilver: | why? |
| [11:52:23] | dustybin: | dunno |
| [11:52:37] | quicksilver: | sounds odd to me. But heck, i don't have an HD tv. |
| [11:52:52] | xand: | because otherwise other stuff would look crap |
| [11:52:54] | gbee: | to avoid nasty switches between input res plus HD tvs generally only accept a single resolution for HDMI |
| [11:53:04] | quicksilver: | ah, OK. |
| [11:53:31] | dustybin: | gbee: have you had any luck with ITV HD |
| [11:53:34] | xand: | dustybin: when you use mythtv on a computer monitor it scales it |
| [11:53:39] | gbee: | like res switches on a monitor, it takes a couple of seconds for the TV to adjust and it's not very smooth |
| [11:53:45] | xand: | so... like any other video player? |
| [11:53:48] | xand: | e.g. mplayer |
| [11:54:16] | gbee: | dustybin: errm, well I can view it, but last time I looked it wasn't decoded well |
| [11:54:28] | dustybin: | xand> dustybin: when you use mythtv on a computer monitor it scales it <--- what scales it? |
| [11:54:38] | dustybin: | gbee: aye ok |
| [11:54:40] | gbee: | not that it matter much unless you're a fan of Emmerdale or footy |
| [11:54:41] | xand: | mythtv does? |
| [11:54:47] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [11:54:52] | dustybin: | xand: using xV ? |
| [11:55:00] | xand: | I don't know... or care ;) |
| [11:55:11] | xand: | what difference does it make? |
| [11:55:32] | dustybin: | xand: imagine how terrible 720x576 would look if it wasnt scaled properly on to a 1920 x 1080 display |
| [11:55:38] | gbee: | yes myth scales it, but it doesn't look any better – it's not hardware upscaling and even hardware upscaling can't do much with the low quality image you get from most freeview channels |
| [11:56:00] | dustybin: | ok |
| [11:56:24] | dustybin: | thats exactly why im not going HD yet |
| [11:56:35] | EugenA: | so, it is possible to build server and client with mythtv? |
| [11:56:46] | dustybin: | </High.Definition> |
| [11:56:59] | dustybin: | EugenA: indeed |
| [11:57:07] | gbee: | 720x576 looks ok upscaled to 1440x900 on my 17" monitor – not so pretty on a 32" tv, but that applies to any large screen – HD or not |
| [11:57:11] | dustybin: | EugenA: the server is the backend, the client is the frontend |
| [11:57:16] | EugenA: | but i can also create all in one pc, right? |
| [11:57:21] | xand: | dustybin: that doesn't sound like much of a reason to me |
| [11:57:26] | gbee: | EugenA: correct |
| [11:57:27] | xand: | get freesat :p |
| [11:57:31] | dustybin: | xand: that is a BIG reason |
| [11:57:36] | xand: | how is it? |
| [11:57:45] | dustybin: | xand: freesat for a 1 BBC channel |
| [11:57:47] | dustybin: | :-/ |
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| [11:58:01] | quicksilver: | gbee: so, why does it look OK normally on a 32" CRT TV? Is it because the blurriness of CRTs is an effective filter? |
| [11:58:04] | justinh: | gah still can't get ssh-agent to start |
| [11:58:16] | xand: | anyway I use my frontend for more than watching videos... and the increased resolution is very welcome there |
| [11:58:25] | quicksilver: | or is it because we have different definitions of 'OK' ;) |
| [11:58:27] | dustybin: | 12:57 < gbee> 720x576 looks ok upscaled to 1440x900 on my 17" monitor – not so pretty on a 32" tv, but that applies to any large screen – HD or not |
| [11:58:50] | gbee: | quicksilver: that's just it though, it looks OK – not great, not even good, just OK |
| [11:58:54] | justinh: | quicksilver: that & the fact there's less visible difference between similar luminances/colours with crt |
| [11:59:20] | justinh: | for the ultimate in software scaling, see lanzcos |
| [11:59:54] | justinh: | and no, mythtv can't do it |
| [12:00:08] | dustybin: | my 26' CRT TV in my bedrom shows low res freeview perfectly, not a pixel in site |
| [12:00:20] | xand: | 26 feet? blimey |
| [12:00:27] | dustybin: | if that was a LCD, it would be a different story |
| [12:00:29] | dustybin: | " |
| [12:00:51] | gbee: | honestly I can't say if SD on an HD tv looks any worse than it would do on the same sized SD screen |
| [12:01:06] | xand: | that's because CRTs scale low-resolution stuff... TFTs have fixed size pixels |
| [12:01:11] | xand: | and look cack at the wrong res |
| [12:01:14] | gbee: | it does look worse in comparison to HD, but then that's what you'd expect |
| [12:01:18] | dustybin: | gbee: i like your backend build, looks like a nice solid box |
| [12:01:39] | gbee: | dustybin: I'm very happy with it, backend and frontend |
| [12:01:43] | justinh: | this non-believer isn't for turning |
| [12:01:44] | dustybin: | nice |
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| [12:02:27] | justinh: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanczos_resampling |
| [12:02:29] | dustybin: | as soon as BBC1, BBC2, ITV, CHANNEL 4 are showing HD 24.7, ill change, until then, no way |
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| [12:03:14] | justinh: | dustybin: with the amount of repeats shown now a lot would still be upscaled sd anyway |
| [12:03:28] | dustybin: | ok |
| [12:04:09] | xand: | watching non-WS stuff is bad enough >>, |
| [12:04:15] | justinh: | anyway, I think a lot of it is basically down to screen size. ever seen a 50" SDTV ? ;-O |
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| [12:05:24] | justinh: | even analogue telly looked gash on those massive screens |
| [12:05:44] | gbee: | I'm not trying to sell HD to anyone |
| [12:05:57] | quicksilver: | it is ironic that the super-sharpness of modern displays highlights the particularly 'sharp' artefacts you get in our compression algorithms though. |
| [12:06:06] | quicksilver: | sharp displays + mpeg2 are a match made in hell. |
| [12:06:07] | justinh: | quicksilver: yup# |
| [12:06:19] | justinh: | and without any deblocking.. whoah boy |
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| [12:07:14] | justinh: | that said I barely notice pixellation on the channels I watch. BBC have higher average bitrates than the rest of the bunch |
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| [12:08:04] | gbee: | you either think you'll get something out of it, or you won't – I love being able to watch BBC wildlife/travel documentaries and gardening programs in HD, but if that ain't your thing then there is probably no reason for HD at all – I don't find it really worthwhile for dramas etc |
| [12:08:23] | justinh: | hrm there's something in the mythtv-vid branch with software scaling goodies |
| [12:08:31] | EugenA: | should i take intel or nvidia onboard graphics? |
| [12:08:43] | justinh: | EugenA: either or |
| [12:08:56] | gbee: | and I really don't understand it for stuff like sport, but then I don't really like watching sport on TV anyway |
| [12:09:03] | justinh: | are you a nutter about the driver source being open or not? |
| [12:09:12] | gbee: | or ati |
| [12:09:35] | dustybin: | gbee: what size / model display you using |
| [12:09:40] | EugenA: | justinh, no |
| [12:10:13] | gbee: | dustybin: 32" Sony Bravia, can't remember the model number off-hand, it's a 720p one though |
| [12:10:22] | EugenA: | it doesn't really matter |
| [12:10:29] | dustybin: | why nvidia make a open-source driver is beyond me, they might as well not bother |
| [12:10:31] | justinh: | I wish there was some _definitive_ (hell even anecdotally based) list somewhere for video under linux |
| [12:10:35] | justinh: | dustybin: they don't |
| [12:10:43] | dustybin: | oh i thought they did |
| [12:10:48] | dustybin: | a closed and open one |
| [12:10:48] | gbee: | nope |
| [12:11:30] | gbee: | there is a poor open source driver, but it's created by the community and as far as I know, without cooperation from Nvidia |
| [12:11:36] | dustybin: | imagine there was 1080p broadcasts |
| [12:11:52] | dustybin: | i see |
| [12:12:17] | justinh: | dustybin: imagine there were 1080p broadcasts & the broadcasters still rammed channels into their existing transponder capacity to maximise their income! |
| [12:12:26] | justinh: | wooo blocky! |
| [12:12:27] | dustybin: | :o |
| [12:12:55] | ** justinh is NOT looking forward to freeview losing a mux ** | |
| [12:13:07] | justinh: | well, I would, only they're not losing any channels :-\ |
| [12:13:13] | dustybin: | the future of HD TV isnt, via sat, it isnt via freeview, the future is via fibre optics going into peoples houses |
| [12:13:27] | dustybin: | then there WOULD be bandwidth |
| [12:13:33] | EugenA: | anybody using ASUS P5E-VM ? |
| [12:13:40] | justinh: | dustybin: ooo yeah. we can totally lock that down, force people into using OUR box. result! |
| [12:13:50] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [12:14:06] | dustybin: | justinh: im talking about a normal internet fibre connection |
| [12:14:19] | dustybin: | and using whoever you want to use |
| [12:14:22] | justinh: | dustybin: there's not enough backbone in the UK for that |
| [12:14:27] | dustybin: | hm |
| [12:16:42] | justinh: | I watched an event in amazing clarity, with such amazingly vivid colours & sounds a while ago. I was actually there! :-O |
| [12:16:54] | xand: | weirdo :p |
| [12:17:29] | quicksilver: | justinh: freak :P |
| [12:18:53] | gbee: | dustybin: tv cost ~£430, exact figure escapes me, if/when 1080p truely arrives and I feel it's actually worthwhile on a 32" screen then I'll replace it |
| [12:19:19] | gbee: | I don't think that will happen in the next 5/6 years though, probably even further off |
| [12:20:57] | justinh: | bloody eck. systm have been busy since I last paid attention to their site. last time they had only 6 shows |
| [12:21:59] | justinh: | and after watching the latest episode fullscreen on my laptop last night I could be converted to this 'podcast' malarkey :-O |
| [12:22:56] | justinh: | pity the flash player doesn't have a 30sec skip feature though ;) |
| [12:25:44] | ** justinh goes looking for an rss thingy ** | |
| [12:27:10] | EugenA: | is it possible to play blue ray disks with mythtv? |
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| [12:28:28] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:28:30] | gbee: | heh, so after Gladiator left Derby for a bigger warehouse in Manchester (much to my sadness) it seems they pretty much went bust |
| [12:28:53] | justinh: | not possible to play bluray discs in linux at all unless you rip/decripple them on windows first |
| [12:29:13] | EugenA: | ok |
| [12:29:36] | gbee: | a case of overexpanding a successful business I guess |
| [12:29:37] | justinh: | gbee: we got plenty conscooter merchants in Mankyland already |
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| [12:30:07] | justinh: | all very well established. Aria, Microdirect, planetmicro, Scam ... |
| [12:30:42] | justinh: | all able to compete favourably with the likes of ebuyer too – when they have stock |
| [12:31:03] | justinh: | though not generally for big stuff like laptops |
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| [12:31:23] | gbee: | technically they are still in business, but have dropped their retailer role to "focus exclusively" on their computer building side of the biz – which admittedly was expanding rapidly last time I checked thanks to some favourable reviews in the big IT rags |
| [12:31:49] | gbee: | justinh: Dabs/Scan just up the road in Bolton etc |
| [12:32:03] | justinh: | you can't go to Dabs anymore though |
| [12:32:10] | gbee: | no? :( |
| [12:32:20] | justinh: | not for ages. and now they're owned by BT |
| [12:32:23] | ivor: | justinh: heh some interesting tidbits – https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedF . . . uRayAndHDDVD |
| [12:32:53] | gbee: | guess because they are shipping most stuff direct from the distributer now |
| [12:33:25] | justinh: | heh they're doing it on loonix now. about time |
| [12:34:01] | justinh: | wonder if ubuntu communitae have a wiki page for getting ssh-agent to work for ssh logged-in users |
| [12:35:07] | gbee: | we've zero places locally now, not decently stocked cheap ones anyway – it's gone back to being a trek up to Sheffield for Ebuyer or across to Stoke for Overclockers |
| [12:35:36] | justinh: | gbee: could be a nice day out. if you like Stoke |
| [12:35:50] | gbee: | easier to pay for delivery really |
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| [12:36:33] | justinh: | I was offerred a job in stoke. having spent 2 weeks there already I told them where to put it |
| [12:36:33] | gbee: | I've made the trip over to Overclockers a few times, not really a good day out ;) |
| [12:36:54] | laga: | you've got a store called overclockers? nice |
| [12:37:11] | gbee: | http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ |
| [12:37:18] | laga: | gbee: oh, looks like i didn't apply that skiploop patch. oops. |
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| [12:38:06] | gbee: | laga: heh, well that would explain why you weren't seeing a difference – it should ne noticable even if it doesn't fix it completely |
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| [12:38:29] | justinh: | hrm. me no likey this. stuck with having to enter my bleddy long passkey rather than type in my svn password |
| [12:38:36] | laga: | gbee: SWMBO didn't object much to the stuttering ;) |
| [12:38:47] | laga: | justinh: what's the matter with ssh-agent? how are you running it? |
| [12:38:56] | justinh: | laga: I don't know |
| [12:39:09] | laga: | you don't know how you're running it? |
| [12:39:12] | justinh: | I think it runs by default for the user running X |
| [12:39:19] | laga: | not on my box ;) |
| [12:39:26] | clever: | yeah most distro's ive used do that |
| [12:39:29] | justinh: | I can start it manually but I need it to run whenever I log in over ssh |
| [12:39:46] | justinh: | or whatever |
| [12:39:53] | laga: | you'll still need to enter your passphrase for ssh-agent once, tho |
| [12:40:18] | justinh: | what? |
| [12:40:20] | gbee: | public key ftw |
| [12:40:27] | justinh: | so WTF is the point of that?! |
| [12:40:38] | clever: | it will only ask once per session |
| [12:40:41] | dustybin: | 13:16 < justinh> I watched an event in amazing clarity, with such amazingly vivid colours & sounds a while ago. I was actually there! :-O |
| [12:40:41] | clever: | then store it in ram |
| [12:40:44] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [12:40:44] | justinh: | so WTF is the point of that?! |
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| [12:40:56] | clever: | justinh: so you dont have to type it 20 times |
| [12:40:59] | ** justinh goes back to using passwords then ** | |
| [12:41:04] | laga: | justinh: only if your key is protected with a passphrase. which is a sane thing to do |
| [12:41:29] | justinh: | sounds like bollocks for peope who love typing long passphrases to me |
| [12:41:34] | clever: | laga: i have a few unprotected keys, but i restrict what they can do at the server side |
| [12:41:35] | dustybin: | clever: what is your brain thinking about today? |
| [12:42:00] | clever: | dustybin: what shows to cancle recording so i can sleep without having to change channels every 30mins |
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| [12:42:14] | dustybin: | clever: my brain is thinking about this: http://kentie.net/article/netvista/index.htm |
| [12:42:21] | clever: | eww vista? |
| [12:42:26] | dustybin: | read |
| [12:43:16] | justinh: | there was I thinking that key stuff was actually labour saving. OOPS |
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| [12:44:03] | justinh: | so there's no way to automagically just say yes, look I know. it's me. don't ask me for the passphrase it's highly annoying? |
| [12:44:16] | clever: | dustybin: ive seen some stuff for netbooting windows terminal boxes(thin clients) for a large distcc array |
| [12:44:36] | clever: | he had to wire up his own bios flashing box |
| [12:44:45] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [12:44:45] | tjcarter: | justinh: you can set no passphrase on your key |
| [12:44:53] | clever: | and replaced it with linux bios |
| [12:44:58] | tjcarter: | justinh: then you use the key to login and never get asked for any passwd |
| [12:45:07] | justinh: | tjcarter: for a login for my own machine I'd maybe consider that |
| [12:45:11] | tjcarter: | justinh: sortof insecure if your key is ever compromised. |
| [12:45:16] | justinh: | but not for somebody else's |
| [12:45:19] | tjcarter: | ALSO, you can have many keys |
| [12:45:45] | tjcarter: | so you can have a key that has no passphrase for some machines, and one that uses a passphrase and an agent |
| [12:45:56] | justinh: | I know all this |
| [12:46:26] | justinh: | but I also know I'm getting ragged off at having to type in the passphrase at all |
| [12:46:32] | clever: | i have my passwordless key for a shell limited to a certain lan ip so i can just ssh into any box in the house |
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| [12:47:03] | dustybin: | gbee: how many watts does your backend/frontend combo use |
| [12:47:21] | tjcarter: | clever: could do that for any machine in the house so you can use one key on all machines in the house |
| [12:47:33] | dustybin: | mine uses roughly 120W |
| [12:47:40] | gbee: | dustybin: not a clue, a lot less than my old be/fe I'm sure, but I've not plugged in a meter (don't own one) |
| [12:47:41] | clever: | tjcarter: i also give each system pair, its own key pair |
| [12:47:48] | tjcarter: | clever: of course you would want to isolate your wifi if you do that. |
| [12:48:01] | justinh: | well, gone & deleted the key from the server now. to hell with it |
| [12:48:10] | clever: | tjcarter: if you manage to steal the key you only gain access to 1 system from 1 ip |
| [12:48:15] | porcodildo: | Hi, I have an hauppauge bt878 card and I can't watch livetv, here is the output: http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3696/pppez9.png |
| [12:48:25] | porcodildo: | with ati x1600 graphic card |
| [12:48:36] | tjcarter: | clever: from that system you get key to others.. |
| [12:48:37] | clever: | and my wifi is allready encrypted |
| [12:48:41] | justinh: | oh look no Xv |
| [12:48:51] | porcodildo: | with tvtime I can see the tv perfectly |
| [12:48:51] | clever: | tjcarter: o crap:P |
| [12:49:12] | tjcarter: | clever: which means invalidating all of those keys and creating all new ones |
| [12:49:24] | gbee: | porcodildo: backend log? |
| [12:49:55] | clever: | tjcarter: you would need to psysical obtain one of my systems and connect it to my home network for the passwordless keys to work |
| [12:49:58] | laga: | gbee: i'm thinking about including the skiploop patch in ubuntu. it certainly doesn't hurt if its turned off by default |
| [12:50:02] | tjcarter: | clever: I have a USB flash device containing revokations of my keys |
| [12:50:08] | justinh: | why do linux people like passwords so much? or long passphrases. like logging on has to be a frickin MISSION |
| [12:50:28] | clever: | tjcarter: my ssh keys cant realy be 'revoked', all i can do is login and remote the public key from the config |
| [12:50:37] | tjcarter: | Failing that, I have laminated plastic cards in a reasonable secure secondary location containing scannable data containing revocation certificates |
| [12:50:48] | clever: | lol |
| [12:51:08] | ** tjcarter paranoid bastard ** | |
| [12:51:18] | AndyCap: | justinh: pam_ssh and ssh-agent |
| [12:51:27] | porcodildo: | gbee, http://rafb.net/p/X7FaGj78.html |
| [12:51:29] | clever: | with the normal password login on ssh i can go in and disable every key at once:P |
| [12:51:33] | AndyCap: | logging in unlocks your key and loads it in the agent. |
| [12:51:40] | porcodildo: | Dispositivo o risorsa occupata = device or resource busy |
| [12:51:43] | clever: | though that will partialy break my channel changer atm |
| [12:52:16] | justinh: | AndyCap: I know about ssh-agent. I never want to have to enter my passphrase |
| [12:52:22] | justinh: | am I missing something? |
| [12:52:45] | justinh: | ach to hell with it. forget I ever asked |
| [12:52:46] | dustybin: | clever: have you ever created a BIG mess in your room when building / fixing computer equipment? |
| [12:52:54] | porcodildo: | mmm seems I have to select the right video codec -.- |
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| [12:53:14] | AndyCap: | justinh: if you mean never, then don't have a passphrase on the key. which is unsafe, but that's your own lookout |
| [12:53:15] | justinh: | 8 chars entered 3 times is shorter than my (very memorably) passphrase. so wth |
| [12:53:17] | clever: | dustybin: theres been laptop parts strewn across my bedroom floor for months |
| [12:53:24] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [12:53:36] | dustybin: | im building up a picture of clevers life in my mind |
| [12:53:49] | xand: | stalker |
| [12:53:53] | dustybin: | :P |
| [12:54:12] | laga: | dustybin: ouch |
| [12:54:13] | justinh: | it's very unlikely my key would ever fall into any hands let alone thw wrong ones |
| [12:55:36] | gbee: | I use password-less keys since for my key to fall into the wrong hands would probably mean that I'd already lost or had stolen a usb key/laptop etc |
| [12:55:41] | clever: | dustybin: dont bother, i'll get the digital pics |
| [12:55:49] | dustybin: | :o |
| [12:55:52] | styelz: | justinh: do you mean entering passwords for sudo tasks in Xorg? |
| [12:55:54] | AndyCap: | justinh: and artificial sweeteners were safe, wmd's were in iraq, and Anna Nicole married for love |
| [12:55:58] | justinh: | styelz: no |
| [12:56:00] | styelz: | you can add NOPASSWD option to sudoers |
| [12:56:02] | styelz: | ok |
| [12:56:11] | styelz: | for login you mean then |
| [12:56:16] | justinh: | NO |
| [12:56:21] | styelz: | hmm ok |
| [12:56:28] | xand: | gbee: umm... if you lost your usb key, surely you'd want the loss to end their? |
| [12:56:36] | styelz: | heh |
| [12:56:39] | justinh: | THERE, not their |
| [12:56:44] | justinh: | please |
| [12:56:57] | gbee: | xand: well it would, since I'd delete that key from all machines |
| [12:56:58] | justinh: | and I thought Monday was a bad day |
| [12:57:10] | xand: | yes, sudo is a nice way of removing security :o |
| [12:57:29] | clever: | dustybin: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 1.jpg/_full_ |
| [12:57:33] | justinh: | I got tired of having to type in a password three times whenever I check something out of svn |
| [12:57:43] | justinh: | that's all |
| [12:57:44] | gbee: | plus you can't do a lot of damage even if logged in as me – no sudo, locked down account on the net facing machine |
| [12:58:09] | gbee: | justinh: yip, hence I use a key |
| [12:58:27] | justinh: | it didn't always do that, I'm sure of that |
| [12:58:33] | gbee: | which does remove the safeguard against accidental commitals |
| [12:58:37] | laga: | clever: is that your bed? |
| [12:58:51] | clever: | laga: thats a pic of it from several months ago |
| [12:58:57] | laga: | freaky |
| [12:59:14] | clever: | laga: the far right laptop is back there now, but the rest are in other places |
| [12:59:17] | justinh: | gbee: it doesn't, cos it only asks once for commits |
| [12:59:33] | gbee: | if you use ssh-agent you only have to enter the passphrase/password once, at least until your next reboot |
| [12:59:36] | dustybin: | clever: what do you like about computers? |
| [12:59:50] | clever: | hard to say |
| [13:00:00] | gbee: | justinh: using a key I mean, I don't get prompted at all |
| [13:00:09] | justinh: | gbee: I know, but it wasn't working when I put it in my .bash_profile or bashrc |
| [13:00:33] | xand: | clever: some of those laptops look oooooooooooooooold |
| [13:00:37] | clever: | dustybin: found the windows terminal hack http://spritesmods.com/?art=wtcluster |
| [13:00:41] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
| [13:00:47] | clever: | xand: 2 of them are 50mhz ~20mb ram |
| [13:00:51] | xand: | ! |
| [13:00:52] | gbee: | been a long time since I used ssh-agent on linux |
| [13:00:53] | clever: | xand: one of them is grey scale! |
| [13:01:00] | xand: | what on earth do you use them for? |
| [13:01:14] | sid3windr: | damn clever, you hosting that thing on a 19k2 modem or something, :P |
| [13:01:34] | clever: | xand: i planed to use the 50mhz color for a thin x client but the ethernet wont even work, isa based pcmcia |
| [13:01:46] | clever: | and x11 over serial isnt fun |
| [13:01:56] | xand: | I thought the 700MHz celeron I had was old :p |
| [13:01:58] | clever: | sid3windr: no im heavily swapping the server atm |
| [13:02:38] | clever: | xand: i also have a 33mhz 486 sx that looks like it will make a better thin client, it allreasy has the nic installed and working under dos/win 3.11 |
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| [13:03:20] | clever: | but its low on ram atm, duke nukem wont even run |
| [13:03:28] | xand: | 3D? |
| [13:03:31] | clever: | yes |
| [13:03:36] | xand: | I'm not surprised |
| [13:03:43] | sid3windr: | duke nukem 3d on a 486 wasn't very fun anyway |
| [13:03:46] | sid3windr: | duke nukem 2 works though ;) |
| [13:03:47] | xand: | I used to run it on a 486 50MHz... was pretty poor |
| [13:03:58] | sid3windr: | then again dn2 worked on my 386/20 too |
| [13:03:59] | sid3windr: | :p |
| [13:04:06] | sid3windr: | obtw, it can't be 33MHz and sx |
| [13:04:07] | clever: | i have dn3d compiled as a native linux binary |
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| [13:04:11] | sid3windr: | 486 sx is 25MHz |
| [13:04:14] | clever: | but its chunky and the sound is horid |
| [13:04:14] | gbee: | when clever is 70 the neighbours will start to complain about the smell, Police will break into the property and spend two weeks searching for his body between floor to selling stacks of old crap that he's collected, eventually it will be found that he died when a pile of Compaq 286s collapsed, trapping him in a puddle of his own filth for days until he starved |
| [13:04:25] | xand: | I think clever's camera is also from the early 90s :) |
| [13:04:25] | sid3windr: | gbee: :D |
| [13:04:32] | laga: | haha |
| [13:04:40] | clever: | lol |
| [13:04:52] | clever: | xand: those pics i took with the cellphone |
| [13:05:00] | gbee: | s/selling/ceiling/ |
| [13:05:06] | laga: | i tried dn3d too on linux, but it just stalled after loading the map. on two different boxes :( |
| [13:05:07] | xand: | clever: yes... |
| [13:05:20] | xand: | my phone camera is 3.2 Mpx c.c |
| [13:05:33] | clever: | that phone was only 640x480 |
| [13:05:46] | xand: | bloody hell you do have a lot of machines |
| [13:05:48] | clever: | which is fullscreen for the 2 50mhz toshiba laptops |
| [13:06:08] | clever: | and my irc is still heavily swapping even after closing the bloated java |
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| [13:06:37] | clever: | right now 7 systems are running |
| [13:06:40] | clever: | 24/7 |
| [13:06:40] | laga: | are you actually using these 50MHz boxes? |
| [13:06:46] | clever: | laga: not lately |
| [13:06:56] | clever: | i have 3 toshiba laptops all 50mhz |
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| [13:07:01] | clever: | 1 is soaked in koolaid |
| [13:07:06] | clever: | 1 is in peices in my bedroom |
| [13:07:10] | clever: | not shure where the 3rd is |
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| [13:09:59] | xand: | 2008-08–20 14:07:01 < clever> 1 is soaked in koolaid |
| [13:10:01] | xand: | what? |
| [13:10:10] | clever: | it was in the furnace room in the basement |
| [13:10:17] | clever: | a large glass was knocked over upstairs |
| [13:10:21] | clever: | it went thru the floor |
| [13:10:26] | clever: | ping timeout |
| [13:10:40] | clever: | i walk over to ctrl+alt+del and find a oddly warm and wet laptop |
| [13:10:58] | xand: | a glass made a hole in the floor? mmkay |
| [13:11:05] | clever: | the entire corner of the room was splatered with drops of sticky koolaid |
| [13:11:15] | clever: | it went arround the boards and under the wall |
| [13:11:25] | clever: | floors arent water proof:P |
| [13:11:45] | clever: | you dump half a littre of fluid and youll see where it goes |
| [13:12:18] | sid3windr: | msut be US flooring or something :p |
| [13:12:20] | sid3windr: | *must |
| [13:12:35] | clever: | canada:P |
| [13:12:40] | xand: | yeah |
| [13:12:49] | xand: | my floor is waterproof |
| [13:13:03] | clever: | but there may be seams between the rooms |
| [13:13:05] | clever: | under the walls |
| [13:13:06] | sid3windr: | if I see the way they build houses in stuff like extreme makeover home edition in the US, it is not surprising to me fluid can just go through the floor or someone sneezing makes the house fall in pieces :p |
| [13:13:09] | xand: | it's solid concrete with waterproof layer on top |
| [13:13:24] | xand: | they don't even use bricks! :P |
| [13:13:26] | clever: | xand: ah, thats diff |
| [13:13:33] | sid3windr: | indeed xand =p |
| [13:13:40] | sid3windr: | you can fall against the outer wall and suddenly find yourself inside :> |
| [13:16:24] | mzb_d800: | justinh: there is a solution to your passkey problem: buy a magic wand ;) |
| [13:16:47] | mzb_d800: | clever: some nice modern laptops you've got there! |
| [13:17:05] | clever: | mzb_d800: the newest is the d630 from dell |
| [13:17:12] | mzb_d800: | and your phone has a camera... what's next? ;)) |
| [13:18:28] | mzb_d800: | iirc I've got a Toshiba T20 (?) around somewhere ... XT laptop with 20MB hdd ... real beast ;) |
| [13:18:36] | clever: | mine is a t21000 |
| [13:18:53] | clever: | the 2 grey scale ones |
| [13:19:05] | clever: | the color is a related model with a nearly identical motherboard |
| [13:19:14] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... you've got all the modern stuff |
| [13:19:37] | mzb_d800: | colour, >10MHz ... :)) |
| [13:19:58] | clever: | the system im currently using is whiring at 600mhz right now |
| [13:20:01] | mzb_d800: | I'll bet you've probably even got more than 640KB of ram! |
| [13:20:23] | clever: | 512mb in this 'box' |
| [13:20:27] | mzb_d800: | 600MHz ... cpufreqd? |
| [13:20:39] | clever: | yep |
| [13:20:42] | clever: | max is 1.6ghz |
| [13:20:46] | gbee: | justinh: just heard about geany, which might be a replacement for kate |
| [13:21:00] | mzb_d800: | you can prob. tell I have a d800 ;) |
| [13:21:14] | clever: | yeah i remember:P |
| [13:21:14] | mzb_d800: | (wider and older) |
| [13:21:24] | clever: | my d600 is blowing its other hinge now |
| [13:21:30] | clever: | its comming loose |
| [13:21:31] | gbee: | tabbed text editor with some of the basic functionality of an IDE, i.e. pretty much what kate does |
| [13:21:42] | clever: | soon i will have zero hinges holding the panel on |
| [13:21:53] | mzb_d800: | turn it headless |
| [13:22:04] | clever: | its my primary system:P |
| [13:22:30] | clever: | and the other one with busted hinges just sits on my bed all day and night and never gets moved |
| [13:22:34] | mzb_d800: | you don't use a real machine as your primary? |
| [13:22:45] | clever: | i perfer to sit on the couch with the laptop |
| [13:22:52] | mzb_d800: | ah ... something to keep you warm at night? |
| [13:23:00] | clever: | and i can just rip the cords out while watching mythfrontend and carry it to another room |
| [13:23:20] | clever: | portable tv |
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| [13:24:09] | mzb_d800: | I prefer to bookmark and carry myself to another tv :) |
| [13:24:31] | clever: | i dont have a frontend in the kitchen or bathroom or laundry room:P |
| [13:25:03] | sid3windr: | you use the laptop for a mythfrontend on the toilet? |
| [13:25:06] | mzb_d800: | I don't need one in any of those rooms ... mostly because they have WATER |
| [13:25:21] | mzb_d800: | (note: my hinges aren't breaking) |
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| [13:25:43] | clever: | sid3windr: ive used irc from the tub before without toasting the system:P |
| [13:25:47] | mzb_d800: | (note2: computers don't swim) |
| [13:26:02] | clever: | mzb_d800: i just dry my hands off before touching it:P |
| [13:26:06] | clever: | or use a long stick |
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| [13:26:46] | mzb_d800: | I've got a woman for those things: "Hey WOMAN! ... skip this trashy song!" |
| [13:27:13] | sid3windr: | :D |
| [13:27:15] | clever: | wouldnt you rather share the tub with her:P |
| [13:27:25] | mzb_d800: | and lose my remote control? |
| [13:27:42] | clever: | get a 2nd wire or a daughter then:P |
| [13:27:52] | clever: | wife |
| [13:28:26] | mzb_d800: | yes ... working on that ... daughter can now open the fridge a retrieve *stuff* under instruction |
| [13:28:27] | clever: | lol |
| [13:28:31] | mzb_d800: | another few years and I'll be set |
| [13:28:35] | clever: | might that include beer? |
| [13:28:51] | mzb_d800: | no, unfortunately ... beer fridge is downstairs |
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| [13:29:16] | mzb_d800: | might have to cut her a key for that ... in 5 years or so |
| [13:29:16] | clever: | just a few extra steps for her to take |
| [13:29:20] | clever: | lol |
| [13:29:29] | mzb_d800: | and then when she's 14 I'll change the locks |
| [13:29:29] | clever: | just lend her the key and count the crap |
| [13:29:42] | clever: | throw the key and ask her for a beer! |
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| [13:30:05] | clever: | yep the 2nd hinge is toast |
| [13:30:17] | clever: | split in the same place, just not riped wide open yet |
| [13:30:22] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... I've discovered relying on a 3yo to get a job done is not necessarily a good plan |
| [13:30:29] | clever: | ah |
| [13:30:33] | clever: | too young:P |
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| [13:31:02] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... heaps of fun, but can easily get distracted by pretend friends along the way :) |
| [13:31:05] | clever: | my screen is alot more flexible now |
| [13:31:14] | clever: | thought it needs viagra, it wont stant up |
| [13:31:37] | mzb_d800: | epoxy it open ;) |
| [13:31:45] | justinh: | gaffer tape :D |
| [13:31:50] | clever: | and its weird to be holding the screen like a sheet of paper several inches about the pc |
| [13:31:52] | mzb_d800: | nails even? |
| [13:32:39] | clever: | that somewhat works |
| [13:32:51] | clever: | though the stub of a hinge is a bit in the way |
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| [13:33:06] | clever: | and it feels like its about to snap off |
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| [13:33:34] | mzb_d800: | ah, justinh: can you tell me if the onboard fan controls on the m10k's work? ... earlier boards didn't have them wired up properly. |
| [13:33:49] | mzb_d800: | (ie: 12V full-time) |
| [13:34:34] | justinh: | er.. what fan? ;) |
| [13:35:12] | justinh: | anyway AFAIK it was full-on or full-on |
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| [13:37:56] | ReikoShea: | this is probably a ? for mythtv, but will qt4.4 work with the current trunk? |
| [13:38:34] | GreyFoxx: | all reports say it will |
| [13:38:49] | mzb_d800: | there are some onboard fan headers on those boards (yet to arrive to see for myself), and as I understand it the earlier ones (eg: V8000) only had "full-on" fan headers. |
| [13:39:10] | ivor: | ReikoShea: it works fine |
| [13:39:38] | ReikoShea: | thanks guys...just wanted to double check before i make install |
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| [13:39:49] | mzb_d800: | just wondering if the M10K's had fan headers wired up to the it87 chip |
| [13:40:02] | justinh: | ReikoShea: infact you _need_ qt4.4 for all the plugins to work |
| [13:40:21] | ivor: | mzb_d800: no idea, dont have any fans on mine. :) |
| [13:40:46] | ivor: | all that horrible noise.... |
| [13:41:16] | justinh: | yeah they say it's 25dBA – I disagree |
| [13:41:32] | justinh: | so I replaced the HSF with a zalman northbridge heatsink |
| [13:41:49] | mzb_d800: | that would prob. be fine for the one I end up with ... but the other one is going to have a tuner card and a hard drive ... not sure how that will go without fans |
| [13:42:02] | justinh: | tuners get a bit warm |
| [13:42:06] | ReikoShea: | justinh: thats what i thought, i got the error while running the configure about needing qtwebkit or something similar to that (not at my home computer). Only thing i could find with that was 4.4, but i just wanted to double check |
| [13:42:34] | justinh: | ReikoShea: you on ubuntu btw? I wouldn't mind finding a qt4.,4 package for that |
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| [13:42:45] | ReikoShea: | brb |
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| [13:45:29] | mzb_d800: | ah well ... if they're full-on fans I'll just have to dodgy up something to bring them down to (say) 8V or so |
| [13:45:44] | justinh: | mzb_d800: bigger heatsink is better really |
| [13:45:49] | mzb_d800: | agreed |
| [13:46:02] | justinh: | I tried undervolting my fan at first with a fanmate. unacceptable |
| [13:46:18] | mzb_d800: | have soldering iron |
| [13:46:29] | mzb_d800: | and ohms law |
| [13:46:31] | justinh: | btw though I ran the board without a fan, the case was not fanless. |
| [13:46:34] | justinh: | just very quiet |
| [13:46:48] | justinh: | airflow is still essential |
| [13:46:55] | mzb_d800: | but there are other heat sensitive/producing components in the case ... so it's not just cpu |
| [13:47:21] | mzb_d800: | he might even want a DVD ... so there's even less airflow |
| [13:47:23] | justinh: | really? I had no idea! |
| [13:47:31] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [13:48:23] | mzb_d800: | dm ... I'm tired and babbling ;) ... talk to you all later |
| [13:48:25] | mzb_d800: | goodnight! |
| [13:49:12] | justinh: | g'night |
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| [13:51:00] | ** justinh chuckles. people must think that if they have the very latest ffmpeg, it'll help mythtv play stuff somehow ** | |
| [13:53:26] | laga: | i have the very latest ffmpeg merge patch and it helps ;) |
| [13:58:28] | justinh: | that's a different kettle of things though |
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| [14:06:01] | LanUser: | Good morning – If I place a new firmware file in my firmwar folder for a USB device, do I have to reboot before attaching the device for the firmware to properly load? |
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| [14:06:23] | justinh: | LanUser: no, just unload & reload the kernel module for it |
| [14:07:25] | LanUser: | justinh: thanks |
| [14:08:10] | ReikoShea: | how long does qt take to compile |
| [14:08:23] | justinh: | how long is a piece of string? |
| [14:08:23] | ReikoShea: | i ran make at 5:15am CDT and its STILL running |
| [14:08:44] | ReikoShea: | granted, this isnt the fastest machine ever, but still |
| [14:08:47] | justinh: | MOAR COARZ ;) |
| [14:08:53] | ReikoShea: | lol |
| [14:09:05] | ReikoShea: | i dont like buying top of the line hardware anymore |
| [14:09:14] | ReikoShea: | i own 0 windows machines....i see no need for it now |
| [14:09:27] | justinh: | when I built the plugins on my laptop the other night I had to do a double-take |
| [14:09:47] | justinh: | didn't even have time to go for a cig! |
| [14:10:02] | ReikoShea: | <^>(^_^)<^> |
| [14:10:15] | ReikoShea: | id be on my 3rd pack or so if i was constantly smoking while compiling |
| [14:10:22] | ReikoShea: | i dont miss the days of working with cpp |
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| [14:10:51] | justinh: | building stuff != working ;) |
| [14:10:59] | ReikoShea: | oh i know |
| [14:11:04] | justinh: | try being a c++ noob carving out patches :P |
| [14:12:00] | ReikoShea: | but see when your boss comes by and says "why arent you working", the compiling answer gets really old |
| [14:12:16] | ReikoShea: | at least with perl and python i can show progress in a way other than line count |
| [14:16:24] | justinh: | gbee: btw ta for the tip about geany. I didn't think to search on IDEs |
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| [14:20:36] | GreyFoxx: | Reik: Why would you sit there staring at something compile ? |
| [14:20:49] | GreyFoxx: | Multiple windows/multitasking means you don't have to wait :) |
| [14:21:02] | justinh: | oh yes. geany has autocompletion. that'll come in handae |
| [14:21:47] | justinh: | so sitting there doing nothing can be excused by saying you're waiting for a compile to finish – but what about the rocking? ;) |
| [14:22:37] | GreyFoxx: | :) |
| [14:22:37] | ReikoShea: | GreyFoxx: When i was doing C++ there was no such thing as multitasking while compiling |
| [14:22:38] | AndyCap: | ergonomic excercise |
| [14:23:44] | ** justinh uninstalls emacs without every even trying it. meh ** | |
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| [14:24:00] | ReikoShea: | *sigh |
| [14:24:09] | ReikoShea: | one of these days ill understand the emacs fixation |
| [14:24:13] | ReikoShea: | vi = life |
| [14:24:47] | GreyFoxx: | I've never felt comfortable in emacs |
| [14:24:52] | justinh: | ./+15s/vi = life/absolute-rubbish-generated-by-people-who-love-comamndline-regex |
| [14:25:08] | GreyFoxx: | but vi is like a warm blanket on a cold winter night :) |
| [14:25:30] | ReikoShea: | i <3 command line regex |
| [14:25:38] | ReikoShea: | you should see my bash history on this box |
| [14:25:42] | ReikoShea: | its rediculous |
| [14:25:45] | justinh: | I used to be ace at vi, doing search/replace like an expert. my brain has shrunk since then |
| [14:26:02] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [14:26:21] | justinh: | my boss' fault. he made my default elm editor vi |
| [14:26:39] | ReikoShea: | me too |
| [14:27:11] | justinh: | I fell out of practise (well that happens) over the last 12 years & now would rather use a GUI editor |
| [14:27:41] | ReikoShea: | i do so much remote sysadmin crap that i cant have a gui editor |
| [14:27:42] | justinh: | I can still use vi if necessary, it just doesn't feel painless anymore ;) |
| [14:27:45] | ReikoShea: | ill actually die |
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| [14:33:19] | gbee: | I'd take emacs over vi any day |
| [14:33:44] | justinh: | marmite anybody? ;) |
| [14:34:10] | ** ReikoShea googles marmite ** | |
| [14:34:14] | gbee: | but I only use either of them for light editing, for anything more I want a proper gui |
| [14:34:37] | ReikoShea: | *sigh* |
| [14:34:52] | ReikoShea: | but think of the time you save by not having to scp or ftp anything |
| [14:34:55] | ReikoShea: | JUST THINK |
| [14:35:01] | ivor: | gbee: really? I find I go the other way... and if I need really "heavy" editing I end up in emacs. |
| [14:35:02] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [14:35:05] | gbee: | sure, wear your "hardcore geek" hat and sneer |
| [14:35:28] | ReikoShea: | unless...you had an NFS share or SAN to work from....and then i guess ill concede that MAYBE a gui has its place |
| [14:35:32] | ** justinh doesn't scp or ftp anything ** | |
| [14:36:04] | gbee: | ReikoShea: umm, I don't have to scp/ftp anything – like I said, for remote editing of configs etc I'll use emacs, but for coding etc Kate, Kdevelop, Ultraedit (if on windows) |
| [14:36:18] | justinh: | for theme editing, MS PAINT & Notepad ftw! |
| [14:36:29] | ReikoShea: | *sigh |
| [14:36:33] | ReikoShea: | i need a cigarette now |
| [14:36:35] | gbee: | besides, x11 forwarding kinda handles remote editing of stuff using a GUI |
| [14:37:39] | gbee: | justinh: if I didn't know you were joking I'd have to humanely put you to sleep for suggesting MS Paint |
| [14:37:48] | ** justinh ponders. if he was barefoor & was presented with two paths to get somewhere – one covered in broken glass & the other one covered in a deep pile carpet.. which would he choose? ** | |
| [14:37:58] | justinh: | /s/barefoor/barefoot |
| [14:38:19] | justinh: | gbee: and notepad :P |
| [14:38:54] | justinh: | btw when I check in my changes there should be no more MS-DOS format xml files. godknows how they ended up that way |
| [14:38:59] | gbee: | I can forgive notepad, it has it's place, but Paint is an abomination |
| [14:39:21] | justinh: | paint is like a hex editor for pictures |
| [14:39:53] | justinh: | actually no it's probably more like hitting the HDD casing with a hammer to change the bits |
| [14:40:13] | justinh: | something GIMP is better than :D |
| [14:40:38] | gbee: | hmm, they are marking out the road to place new white light street lamps, but from the look of things it's going to be brighter during the night than in the day! >:( |
| [14:40:54] | gbee: | the spacing is being halved |
| [14:41:01] | gbee: | and the new ones are taller |
| [14:41:20] | gbee: | can't understand why anyone would think it necessary |
| [14:42:14] | justinh: | the council replaced a lamp post on our street about 4 doors down – now we don't need a light in the bathroom anymore |
| [14:42:18] | gbee: | it isn't like street lighting reduces crime and cars have headlights, not to mention the light pollution or the fact that everyone will need blackout sheets to get a nights sleep |
| [14:42:54] | justinh: | great for the cctv though |
| [14:43:34] | gbee: | pretty sure the literature that was shoved through the door a couple of months back said that we would be consulted on plans ... obviously they decided to forget that bit |
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| [14:43:58] | ajh: | insert HHTTG reference here. |
| [14:44:04] | justinh: | apparently the new lights use less power, produce less airborne light pollution and are brighter than the old sodium ones |
| [14:44:20] | gbee: | HHGTTG? |
| [14:44:23] | justinh: | thought that'd mean they'd need to use less, not more |
| [14:44:30] | ajh: | yeah. |
| [14:44:32] | justinh: | hitch-hikers guide ;) |
| [14:44:44] | ajh: | If they just used a sodium uplighter they could just make the street glow. |
| [14:44:45] | gbee: | yeah, got that, just missed a G |
| [14:45:13] | gbee: | not that I've ever read it – so I didn't get the joke |
| [14:45:19] | justinh: | gbee: meaning you didn't read the consultation doc which was hidden in a cabinet contained in a locked underground room to which one person has the key |
| [14:45:35] | gbee: | oh wait, NOW I remember |
| [14:46:16] | ajh: | Yes, the planning documents were on display, on display in a basement of the planning office in the bottom locked drawer of a filing cabinent in a disused lavatory with a sign saying "Beware of the Leopard" on the door. |
| [14:46:34] | ajh: | more or less. |
| [14:46:41] | gbee: | :) |
| [14:47:10] | justinh: | apparently we're getting to vote about the Manchester congestion charge. can't see anybody other than shareholders in public transport companies rubbing their hands at the prospect of paying more to go everywhere round here |
| [14:47:19] | Maliuta: | wow that hoopy ajh! now there's frood who _really_ knows where his towel is! |
| [14:47:24] | ** gbee shall use his position on the Area Panel to complain (and be ignored) ** | |
| [14:47:38] | ajh: | hoopy frood. |
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| [14:47:40] | ** justinh would use his axe ** | |
| [14:48:01] | Maliuta: | ajh: my usage was correct |
| [14:48:06] | ReikoShea: | back |
| [14:48:13] | gbee: | don't want to blunt it on the metal posts |
| [14:48:13] | ajh: | justin, not as bad as the plan to hit people with older diesels with a 150 quid a day to enter london charge. |
| [14:48:24] | justinh: | ajh: I was all for that one |
| [14:48:34] | ajh: | maliuta, no actually, a frood would have been, hoopy is an adjective. |
| [14:49:03] | ajh: | justinh, a 200TDI defender puts out less toxic pollutants than most newer vehicles like say a Cayenne. |
| [14:49:10] | ** AndyCap is so hip he has trouble seeing over his pelvis. ** | |
| [14:49:17] | justinh: | ajh: london public transport is stonkingly good compared to manchester's |
| [14:49:30] | ajh: | Yes, but imagine you lived in London and wanted to drive somewhere else. |
| [14:49:37] | justinh: | hahaha |
| [14:49:41] | justinh: | imagine that indeed |
| [14:49:42] | ajh: | say go Greenlaning, you'd have to pay $300 just to leave your driveway. |
| [14:49:53] | gbee: | ajh: only a nutter drives _through_ London |
| [14:50:05] | ajh: | Not saying I don't hate Londoners as much as the next person, but really that's pretty unfair. |
| [14:50:23] | justinh: | serves em right. it's an expensive place to live |
| [14:50:24] | ajh: | Especially since those are the vehicles that run best on SVO/WVO/Biofuel. |
| [14:50:27] | ReikoShea: | dont they make the m25 for people that want to be on the otherside of london? |
| [14:50:45] | ajh: | Reiko, not that's for those who want to park around it. |
| [14:50:46] | gbee: | umm, if it stops Londoners tearing up the countryside then that's a benefit IMHO |
| [14:50:48] | ReikoShea: | (all i know about the uk i learned from top gear) |
| [14:50:50] | justinh: | ReikoShea: nah. the m25 is for parking cars on |
| [14:51:13] | ajh: | and somewhere for your Aston Martin to go when it breaks down, again. |
| [14:51:22] | directhex: | gbee, yeah, i learnt that :| |
| [14:51:28] | ReikoShea: | lol |
| [14:51:32] | ** ajh stabs British car engineers, repeatedly, in the eye, with a dull pencil. ** | |
| [14:51:36] | directhex: | gbee, note to self: satnavs lack a "london is evil" flag |
| [14:51:52] | Maliuta: | ajh: actually, you'll find that sentence is a direct paraphrase from H2G2 |
| [14:52:05] | ReikoShea: | so why is it aston's break down and mondeo's dont? |
| [14:52:11] | ajh: | Maliuta, no it's Hoopy Frood, look it up :) |
| [14:52:31] | justinh: | ReikoShea: because mondeos aren't designed in the uk? |
| [14:52:37] | ajh: | Reiko, anyone who can manage to design something less reliable than an American car should be shot. |
| [14:52:45] | justinh: | or maybe only astons use british made parts :P |
| [14:52:51] | ajh: | Keep in mind I own a Land Rover. :) |
| [14:53:10] | ReikoShea: | lol...ford...ford....ford...... |
| [14:53:15] | ajh: | I got the worst of both, modern thinking mixed with archaic design, so parts that used to cost $20 are now $500. |
| [14:53:17] | directhex: | honda! |
| [14:53:27] | gbee: | I think you are all missing the point, they are engineered to break down – how else do they make a profit on the spare parts? |
| [14:53:43] | ajh: | Depends what you want to do, the things I do, a FJZ70 would probably be best. |
| [14:53:52] | justinh: | a who? |
| [14:54:02] | ajh: | Beautiful FJ40 for sale around the corner, I dare not ask how much. |
| [14:54:08] | ajh: | Land Cruiser commercial. |
| [14:54:10] | gbee: | British cars are brilliantly engineered, just not for the purpose you think |
| [14:54:25] | ReikoShea: | engineered to be looked at |
| [14:54:30] | ReikoShea: | and envied... |
| [14:54:33] | ReikoShea: | not to drive |
| [14:54:40] | justinh: | ajh: ahhh "the car in front is .. driven by a complete tosser who cut me up" |
| [14:54:40] | ReikoShea: | driving is out of the question |
| [14:54:41] | laga: | gbee: i still get prebuffering pauses with the skiploop patch. for some reason, coreavc stopped working as well :) |
| [14:54:42] | ajh: | I'm looking at sticking independant coil-overs on a Midget. |
| [14:54:58] | ReikoShea: | ajh: you are sick |
| [14:55:05] | ajh: | It'll work :) |
| [14:55:12] | ReikoShea: | lol, i have no doubt |
| [14:55:19] | ReikoShea: | but why put in the money? |
| [14:55:28] | ajh: | The most likely new house has a 3500sqft workshop. |
| [14:55:41] | ajh: | Not a lot of money, I'll use tubular chromoly DOM. |
| [14:55:49] | gbee: | laga: skip loop patch doesn't have any affect when using CoreAVC, or were you saying that it doesn't improve ffmpeg decoding AND coreavc stops working? |
| [14:55:56] | ajh: | steal some bits off a Miata. |
| [14:56:09] | ajh: | Otherwise its just welding. |
| [14:56:15] | ReikoShea: | you sound like me when i built my go cart |
| [14:56:19] | laga: | gbee: never mind me. |
| [14:56:21] | ajh: | Possibly do a tubular frame too. |
| [14:56:26] | directhex: | ajh, call it an mx5. it's not called a miata anymore |
| [14:56:37] | ReikoShea: | "itll work...just a little welding and some cold rolled" |
| [14:56:46] | ajh: | No need for the newer bits, it's a midget. |
| [14:56:48] | laga: | gbee: i forgot to deinstall or update my libmyth-coreavc package and still had an old build |
| [14:56:59] | laga: | so the skiploop checkbox didnt actually do anything |
| [14:57:28] | gbee: | laga: coreavc has it's own options which do the same thing as the skiploop patch, see the linux coreavc website – registry changes iirc |
| [14:57:44] | laga: | gbee: yes. |
| [14:58:45] | justinh: | linux has a registry? :-O so that's why my ssh-thingies were going wrong :-\ |
| [14:58:56] | laga: | gbee: what's wrong with committing the skiploop patch to -fixes? |
| [14:59:23] | gbee: | laga: janneg wanted to add some more options to it |
| [14:59:45] | laga: | gbee: sure. but that would be a new feature, right now it's just "make h264 usable for more people" :) |
| [15:00:28] | gbee: | laga: well I didn't say there was anything wrong, just explaning why it hasn't happened upto now |
| [15:00:28] | justinh: | laga: let them eat cake? (in my all-new caring way) |
| [15:02:28] | laga: | gbee: it works a lot better now. |
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| [15:03:00] | ajh: | Is the native mpeg4 support also improving? |
| [15:03:32] | justinh: | hmmm? |
| [15:03:56] | ajh: | Presumably the ffmpeg support for mpeg4 is also getting more optimized. |
| [15:04:09] | justinh: | h.264 you mean. yes |
| [15:04:17] | dustybin: | is there a such thing as a cheap USB linux compatible soundcard what gives one digital outputs? |
| [15:04:24] | ajh: | is h.264 not an Mpeg-4 container? |
| [15:04:26] | laga: | gbee: it's still using up to 105% CPU sometimes but it's not skipping anymore |
| [15:04:44] | justinh: | dustybin: define 'cheap' |
| [15:04:53] | dustybin: | well around 50 squid |
| [15:05:00] | justinh: | £50?! lol |
| [15:05:08] | dustybin: | well it is usb |
| [15:05:11] | dustybin: | external |
| [15:05:17] | justinh: | I got a 2-in, 2-out USB soundcard with optical out for £25 |
| [15:05:20] | laga: | dustybin: there's a creative one, but i personally won't buy creative anymore. i think m-audio has some, too |
| [15:05:30] | dustybin: | wow ace |
| [15:05:31] | laga: | okay, justinh has a better suggestion :) |
| [15:05:32] | ajh: | I got a Firebox, works fine. |
| [15:05:33] | justinh: | m-audio are junk, I've heard |
| [15:05:47] | dustybin: | i was just wondering because the box im going to buy will not have any spare PCI slots |
| [15:05:49] | justinh: | 2-in, 2-out == stereo line in, stereo line out |
| [15:05:50] | dustybin: | only usb |
| [15:06:21] | justinh: | also has headphone output. behringer u-control 202 or something |
| [15:06:28] | dustybin: | nice |
| [15:06:46] | justinh: | I need something with MOAR OUTPUTZ though |
| [15:06:50] | dustybin: | justinh: ive found one of those HP boxes with a dvd player already fitted :-) |
| [15:06:58] | ajh: | I just use balanced 1/4 out. |
| [15:07:05] | ajh: | Not had a problem. |
| [15:07:28] | ajh: | Sometimes sticking with what is tested and true is just the right answer :) |
| [15:07:44] | justinh: | ruh? |
| [15:09:01] | justinh: | bit tricky to get balanced 1/4 inch connectors on a laptop |
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| [15:09:16] | ajh: | Not really, it's 1394. |
| [15:09:28] | justinh: | ahh |
| [15:09:44] | justinh: | what make/model? how many outputs? |
| [15:09:50] | justinh: | need at least 2 stereo outs |
| [15:09:51] | ajh: | PreSonus Firebox. |
| [15:10:14] | justinh: | ouchy. expensivo |
| [15:10:23] | ajh: | Sounds good though. |
| [15:10:58] | ajh: | I haven't actually plugged it into a Linux box, I should do that since I paid for the 1394 revamp and drivers for the bloody thing. |
| [15:11:09] | justinh: | 6 line outputs eh |
| [15:11:30] | ajh: | So far, if you don't have mixer needs it's a nice little box. |
| [15:11:39] | ajh: | If you need a mixer there's a higher end one. |
| [15:11:54] | justinh: | don't need a mixer since I'll always be plugging into one |
| [15:12:07] | justinh: | then again I don't really need three stereo outs |
| [15:12:17] | ajh: | I should get an EQ though. Well, and some speakers that'll handle from 80–150hz. |
| [15:12:30] | ajh: | After the move. :) |
| [15:12:33] | justinh: | and I'd be wary of wearing out the mini-firewire socket on my laptop |
| [15:12:51] | ajh: | I can't understand why laptop connectors are flush. |
| [15:13:07] | ajh: | They should be recessed so the case supports the connector. |
| [15:13:08] | justinh: | sacrificial connectors ftw! |
| [15:13:23] | justinh: | ajh: does it have to be powered by the wall wart? |
| [15:13:23] | clever: | ajh: i keep getting an imprint from my laptops serial port in my belly:P |
| [15:13:34] | ajh: | Hrm, not sure actually, I think so. |
| [15:13:34] | clever: | flush connectors on the side would solve that |
| [15:13:57] | justinh: | ajh: negative points. I hate non-bus powered stuff |
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| [15:14:17] | ajh: | Well, given the amount of heat a good DAC generates, it isn't a bad thing. |
| [15:14:20] | dustybin: | news flash |
| [15:14:21] | dustybin: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/ |
| [15:14:27] | ajh: | and not like your speakers move around :) |
| [15:14:43] | justinh: | ajh: my laptop does :) |
| [15:14:57] | ajh: | dusty, land Speed record attempt, cool. |
| [15:15:02] | justinh: | then again I bet I could replace the wallwart with a decent quality supply |
| [15:15:13] | gbee: | wish I could get excited about audio, but really I'm pretty happy with a reasonable pair of stereo speakers/headphones |
| [15:15:38] | ajh: | I want some 'reasonable' headphones, like say RS1's |
| [15:16:11] | clever: | i want a lcd that doesnt flop over like a 100 year old dick:P |
| [15:16:13] | gbee: | dustybin: that's a news flash? I heard about that hours ago |
| [15:16:18] | ajh: | but usually wearing headphones just results in me being snuck up on. |
| [15:16:27] | clever: | my hinges are totaly missing now |
| [15:18:08] | gbee: | looking for stereo bluetooth headphones atm |
| [15:18:13] | justinh: | hmm maybe the inspire 1394 will do the job |
| [15:18:31] | justinh: | team it up with a pcmcia firewire card for a tenner or so.. job doneski |
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| [15:19:16] | justinh: | oh bum. only 1 stereo out :( |
| [15:19:35] | justinh: | the website said '4x4' |
| [15:20:32] | ajh: | No, there's more than one. |
| [15:20:47] | ajh: | There are at least 3. |
| [15:20:48] | justinh: | not according to the manual there ain;t |
| [15:20:58] | ajh: | 1 main out, 2 more line outs. |
| [15:21:18] | dustybin: | what do you call those little dvd/cd drives in small SFF computers? |
| [15:21:31] | justinh: | dustybin: slimline |
| [15:21:36] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [15:21:44] | justinh: | ajh: the inspire1394 I'm looking at |
| [15:22:01] | ajh: | Oh! :)( |
| [15:22:28] | justinh: | it says 4x4 on the website. it's really only 2x2 by the look of it |
| [15:22:39] | justinh: | or er.. 4x2 |
| [15:23:04] | dustybin: | justinh: are those slimline drivers all of a standard size / specification? like normal cd/dvd drives |
| [15:23:08] | dustybin: | drives |
| [15:23:32] | dustybin: | like this |
| [15:23:34] | dustybin: | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HP-SLIMLINE-MULTIBAY-24 . . . photohosting |
| [15:23:58] | justinh: | dustybin: pretty much |
| [15:24:03] | dustybin: | im thinking i could put a dvd writer inside it, then one could burn dvds using the frontend downstairs |
| [15:24:11] | dustybin: | or normal cds |
| [15:24:30] | justinh: | I have a writer in my frontend too. having used mytharchive once or twice I avoid it now |
| [15:24:41] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [15:24:49] | dustybin: | i used mytharchive the other day |
| [15:25:01] | dustybin: | it worked pefectly as long as you put in a blank dvd before hand |
| [15:26:20] | clever: | my burner only works right in k3b |
| [15:26:32] | clever: | everything else(including mytharchive) makes coaster |
| [15:26:32] | clever: | s |
| [15:27:04] | clever: | and in the end even k3b made coasters so i just replaced it with a hdd and used the laptop burner\ |
| [15:27:16] | justinh: | be nice if ableton would offer multiple audio device support. right now it'll only use one audio device so if you want > 1 stereo out your audio device needs the same |
| [15:27:41] | justinh: | if I'd realised that I would never have bought it |
| [15:30:39] | dustybin: | heres my final thought |
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| [15:31:22] | justinh: | what.. ever?# :P |
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| [15:31:41] | dustybin: | SDTV looks better on CRT than it does on LCD. HDTV looks better on HDTV than CRT |
| [15:31:52] | dustybin: | UK = SDTV |
| [15:31:58] | dustybin: | 95% |
| [15:32:10] | justinh: | myers |
| [15:32:24] | justinh: | HDTV looks better than SDTV on a SDTV :D |
| [15:32:30] | dustybin: | :P |
| [15:32:43] | justinh: | no, it really does |
| [15:33:14] | dustybin: | well maybe so, but not much different |
| [15:33:24] | justinh: | vastly different, actually |
| [15:33:30] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [15:33:30] | AndyCap: | I'd imagine hdtv looks better on a CRT as well. :-) |
| [15:33:53] | dustybin: | i do have a few demos |
| [15:34:00] | dustybin: | but they are very jittery |
| [15:34:11] | dustybin: | due to 3.2 p4 |
| [15:34:23] | dustybin: | actually GO AWAY |
| [15:34:37] | dustybin: | </high.def> |
| [15:34:40] | dustybin: | no more |
| [15:34:51] | dustybin: | --------------------------------------------------- |
| [15:35:23] | sid3windr: | end of monologue? :p |
| [15:35:23] | justinh: | _____________________________________________________ is a better line :P |
| [15:36:06] | AndyCap: | Sign here |
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| [15:36:17] | ** justinh squiggles ** | |
| [15:38:18] | iamlindoro_: | Remember, that was dustybin's final thought, so he's no longer allowed to ahve any or express them in channel. |
| [15:40:39] | justinh: | hmmm look s like I'm on the esi maya44 |
| [15:48:04] | gbee: | damn audiophiles, I no longer know what bitrate is best for mp3 vs space used |
| [15:48:37] | directhex: | none. CBR is broken by design |
| [15:48:53] | directhex: | trust in lame's presents |
| [15:48:54] | laga: | use FLAC? ;) |
| [15:49:10] | gbee: | I've been using VBR with a mean of 192Kb – or Mythmusic's medium setting, but I'm now questioning myself |
| [15:49:24] | ajh: | I use 384. |
| [15:49:40] | gbee: | laga: that deserves a trout |
| [15:50:14] | gbee: | I would like more than five tracks on my mp3 player ;) |
| [15:50:53] | gbee: | meh, I'll stick with 192 vbr |
| [15:52:23] | ajh: | Just store your FLAC so you can re-do it later en-masse. |
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| [15:57:06] | gbee: | I already have them stored lossless, on these things called CDs |
| [15:57:20] | dustybin: | anyone recommend a theme what works well on a CRT TV 16:9 ? |
| [15:57:25] | ajh: | Re-running a script is a whole lot less work. |
| [15:57:35] | dustybin: | mepooh is ok but too many thin white lines |
| [15:58:28] | gbee: | ajh: not enough to justify buying a new HDD just to store exact copies of material which I already have stored and ready to hand |
| [15:58:51] | ajh: | Isn't a hard drive big enough only the price of say 4 new CD's? |
| [15:59:07] | ajh: | How many discs do you have to store? |
| [15:59:24] | gbee: | umm, yeah but it's on top of the price of those 4 new CDs, not instead |
| [15:59:31] | justinh: | dustybin: glass-wide. (currently unavailable :P ) |
| [15:59:33] | ajh: | Also, CD don't last forever, they have a projected livespan of 10 years. |
| [15:59:49] | ajh: | Significantly less if CDR |
| [16:00:00] | gbee: | or rather I'd give up 4 CDs, which isn't an appealing trade |
| [16:00:24] | PatrickDK: | cdr's depends on the substrate used |
| [16:00:33] | PatrickDK: | gold cd's where rated to last like 30years |
| [16:00:50] | justinh: | yeah – in a light-free vacuum |
| [16:01:06] | PatrickDK: | you don't store your cd's in light-free enviroments? |
| [16:01:08] | PatrickDK: | I do |
| [16:01:12] | gbee: | ajh: when I have an mp3 player which supports flac and has large enough storage then I'll just re-rip the lot as flac and delete the mp3s, but until then I'm not wasting my money |
| [16:01:22] | dustybin: | i want this |
| [16:01:23] | dustybin: | http://mythtvnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/glasswide01.png |
| [16:01:23] | ReikoShea: | lol...10 year life span....ive bought the same metallica album 6 times in 10 years...and i have 4 copys of FFVII that dont work :) |
| [16:01:41] | gbee: | no you don't |
| [16:02:04] | laga: | why don't you have glass-wide? |
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| [16:02:13] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html |
| [16:02:22] | dustybin: | im not sure where to download it |
| [16:02:28] | PatrickDK: | heh, all my cdr's I burned using the crappy cdrs 8 years ago all still work |
| [16:02:35] | gbee: | just for more choice |
| [16:02:37] | PatrickDK: | before that I only used gold, and all of them work good |
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| [16:02:52] | justinh: | gbee: s'ok. glass-wide isn't available |
| [16:02:55] | ReikoShea: | wooohoooooo....qt4.4 is finally done making |
| [16:03:05] | gbee: | justinh: just a joke ;) |
| [16:03:06] | justinh: | nor will it be til er.. xmas maybe |
| [16:03:34] | gbee: | don't expect metallurgy to be to everyone's taste |
| [16:03:36] | justinh: | can I _finally_ leave the other themes (as in /themes) to rot then? |
| [16:03:54] | andreax: | ReikoShea: Which one? Ride the lightning? :) |
| [16:03:54] | dustybin: | will mythtv .22 use a different interface for themes |
| [16:04:01] | justinh: | dustybin: oh yeah |
| [16:04:07] | laga: | i like glass-wide |
| [16:04:10] | justinh: | sadly old themes might still work with it |
| [16:04:14] | ReikoShea: | black, andreax. |
| [16:04:18] | justinh: | </joke> |
| [16:04:36] | dustybin: | would be nice to see the back of those original mythtv themes |
| [16:04:37] | justinh: | laga: I like it so much I still use it |
| [16:04:40] | andreax: | 10times the price isn't expensive anyway... :) |
| [16:04:48] | ReikoShea: | oh of course not |
| [16:04:51] | laga: | justinh: it works very well on my tft. the darker themes not so much |
| [16:04:51] | ReikoShea: | :P |
| [16:04:58] | laga: | but i'll have to try metallurgy |
| [16:05:01] | justinh: | I redrew the lame watermarks though |
| [16:05:09] | justinh: | and still plan to redo them again |
| [16:05:23] | justinh: | right now I'm trying to help convert core themes to mythui |
| [16:05:31] | justinh: | then I'll do glass-wide |
| [16:05:52] | dustybin: | when can one start to install .22 testing? |
| [16:06:00] | justinh: | now |
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| [16:06:18] | dustybin: | i thought it would be too early |
| [16:06:19] | justinh: | or even as late as the day before yesterday |
| [16:06:34] | Sulx: | been using it from day 1 |
| [16:06:40] | dustybin: | so .22 shows of the new UI? |
| [16:06:44] | dustybin: | off |
| [16:06:49] | justinh: | dustybin: no not yet |
| [16:06:59] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:07:32] | justinh: | watch out for it. it'll be all over slashdot. look! shiny! new! interface! SHINY! SHINY! *****SHINY***** |
| [16:08:49] | justinh: | and then it'll degenerate into a flame war between linux & vista fanboys. mac users will just pout nonchelantly on the sidelines as usual |
| [16:09:05] | Ra^: | What's wrong with vista? |
| [16:09:12] | Ra^: | just kidding. I've never run it |
| [16:09:17] | justinh: | what's right with linux? |
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| [16:09:29] | Ra^: | oohhh... them's fightin words |
| [16:09:32] | Ra^: | ;) |
| [16:09:42] | justinh: | Ra^: if you don't know, give it a go. download the er.. live cd |
| [16:09:59] | Ra^: | nah. I'm happy with linux on my machines. To each his own |
| [16:10:21] | justinh: | take the machine out of your house before you boot it though. it might infect other machines |
| [16:10:42] | Ra^: | in that case, it would only infect the wife's laptop |
| [16:11:10] | justinh: | I'm no big fan of windows, but vista make xp look so friendly & homely |
| [16:11:33] | justinh: | but at least ubuntu has been perfoming as badly as vista did on my laptop :-\ |
| [16:11:36] | Ra^: | I hate the "What OS do _you_ prefer" question when interviewing for a job. Been asked that 5 times in the past 2 weeks :( |
| [16:11:41] | justinh: | dunno wtf that's all about |
| [16:11:48] | iamlindoro_: | Lord, HDHomeRuns *$130* now |
| [16:11:52] | justinh: | Ra^: psychometric testing eh ;) |
| [16:11:57] | iamlindoro_: | $10 less than last week |
| [16:12:09] | hadees: | can you place shift with a HDHomeRun? |
| [16:12:11] | iamlindoro_: | in three months they'll be paying us to take them |
| [16:12:13] | ** justinh dumps his Hauppauge stock ** | |
| [16:12:20] | PatrickDK: | justinh, you told them you perfer prodos? |
| [16:12:28] | keith4: | freedos |
| [16:12:35] | Ra^: | freedos. lol |
| [16:12:38] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Place shift as in....? It's more or less the same as any other QAM tuner |
| [16:12:46] | PatrickDK: | na, prodos, from the apple ][ days :) |
| [16:12:50] | gbee: | Ra^: it's because they know you'll be pushing the OS agenda at every turn, if their sick of employees pushing a particular OS it's a good way of weeding out those candidates |
| [16:13:23] | hadees: | iamlindoro, well its over the network, i am just looking for a way to watch my favorite sports teams. I can put a box in my parents house but i got to figure out what to put there and how to get the video over |
| [16:13:28] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: you know.. placeshifting. they have it in star trek |
| [16:13:35] | hadees: | i already have a sling box there but i need a better option |
| [16:13:36] | Ra^: | gbee, I just tell them that I personally prefer linux, but Windows has its place in a corporate environment and must be supported. I don't preach which is best |
| [16:13:40] | iamlindoro_: | Bvwoooooooooooooop! |
| [16:13:47] | hadees: | or get mythtv to record from my slingbox |
| [16:13:55] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: in that case, no, it's just a dual, network attached QAM tuner, doesn't do anything beyond that |
| [16:13:58] | justinh: | slingbox sounds like ladies' shoes |
| [16:14:00] | gbee: | Ra^: which is probably the answer they want to hear ;) |
| [16:14:10] | Ra^: | I hope so :) |
| [16:14:30] | gbee: | not sure I could keep a straight face while saying it though |
| [16:14:36] | hadees: | oh well, if anyone has any other ideas, i'm open, i really hate living outside my the area of my sports teams |
| [16:14:51] | hadees: | but i don't want to get roped into DirectTV because they are the only one who has all the games |
| [16:14:53] | keith4: | iamlindoro_: how does it compare to the pcHDTV5500, functionally? |
| [16:15:06] | justinh: | hadees: would moving be cheaper in the long-run? ;) |
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| [16:15:19] | Ra^: | I had an interview yesterday and another last week where they asked me what I ran on my home computers. Then they asked which distro I preferred. One guy seemed impressed that I preferred Slackware, but again, to each his own. They're all linux |
| [16:15:21] | hadees: | justinh, lol not for my happiness |
| [16:15:29] | keith4: | hadees: go to a sportsbar. it's a win-win |
| [16:15:29] | justinh: | keith4: how do you think? it's network connectable & it has TWO tuners |
| [16:15:40] | iamlindoro_: | keith4: all QAM tuners are going to be more or less the same, given adequate signal strength-- The HDHomeRun is Dual and network attached so you can put it anywhere with a nework drop-- so if you need either of those things, go for it |
| [16:15:59] | justinh: | I keep my linux-ness quiet at work. people think I'm weird enough already thankyou |
| [16:16:09] | ReikoShea: | root@localbox:/usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.4.1/bin# for i in `ls -al | grep '\-x' | awk '{print $8}' | grep -ve '^.$' | grep -ve '^..$'`; do ln -s $i /usr/local/bin/$i; done |
| [16:16:20] | ReikoShea: | hows that for a one liner...linux geeks |
| [16:16:21] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [16:16:26] | Ra^: | During the interview today, one guy asked me what I thought of Vista. The other guy laughed when he saw the look on my face. I'm guessing that isn't good |
| [16:16:36] | hadees: | keith4, i end up doing that but that is like saying don't watch a movie on your own tv go to a movie theater, some times it is just a whole lot more fun to watch at home |
| [16:16:42] | justinh: | I wouldn't worry about that Ra |
| [16:17:03] | keith4: | hadees: right, but the sportsbar won't charge you $10 like the movie theater does |
| [16:17:05] | justinh: | Corporations won't go anywhere near Vista |
| [16:17:07] | keith4: | and they have beer |
| [16:17:09] | PatrickDK: | reikoshea, that is too many grep's |
| [16:17:14] | PatrickDK: | you can make it much shorter |
| [16:17:21] | hadees: | keith4, the movie theater i go to has beer and good food |
| [16:17:22] | justinh: | keith4: and drunk cheerleaders, sometimes I'll bet |
| [16:17:28] | Ra^: | I'm not too concerned about it. Another place I interviewed at really likes me, and they pay a hell of a lot more |
| [16:17:34] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: btw, you could just put a small, low powered backend in at your parents and have it schedule up the shows you want, then download them from mythweb at your leisure. |
| [16:17:57] | keith4: | iamlindoro_: okay. how do they compare in the support-level-by-mythtv factor? |
| [16:18:06] | justinh: | mythtv does not 'support' tv tuners |
| [16:18:24] | iamlindoro_: | keith4: The HDHomeRun works very very well in myth as I understand it |
| [16:18:25] | keith4: | you know what i mean |
| [16:18:30] | justinh: | well ok not strictly true but.. |
| [16:18:37] | justinh: | they all work with miffyteevee yay |
| [16:18:47] | Ra^: | God I hope I get that one job. Maybe then the wife will let me buy some good hardware for a Myth box :( |
| [16:18:57] | ** Ra^ is jealous of some of the people in this channel ** | |
| [16:19:07] | hadees: | iamlindoro, yeah i was thinking i could setup a cron job to copy the shows over and add them to mythtv's database on my local network |
| [16:19:09] | justinh: | you can have MY job if you want |
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| [16:19:20] | justinh: | I certainly don't effing want it anymore |
| [16:19:21] | Ra^: | no thanks. I don't like commuting long distances :) |
| [16:19:21] | keith4: | i've been really satisfied with my pchdtv qam tuner... but at that price, I might not be able to resist the hdhomerun |
| [16:19:49] | iamlindoro_: | I like the HDHomeRun, but I already have 3 PCI QAM tuners, I just couldn't do anything with another |
| [16:19:53] | hadees: | iamlindoro, although if mythtv could use a slingbox that would be a better option in my own opinion because it would let you watch somewhat live |
| [16:19:55] | iamlindoro_: | let alone another two |
| [16:20:06] | ReikoShea: | how so, patrick? |
| [16:20:15] | keith4: | you could always add a slave backend |
| [16:20:15] | ReikoShea: | thats the best i could come up with on short notice |
| [16:20:18] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, football season to watch 10 channels at once? |
| [16:20:37] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: Only if they're all unencrypted :) |
| [16:20:39] | keith4: | ReikoShea: can't you give multiple -e args to grep? or am I thinking of egrep? |
| [16:20:41] | PatrickDK: | reikoshea, your regis needs help :) |
| [16:20:57] | ReikoShea: | probably |
| [16:21:00] | PatrickDK: | ^..$ and ^.$ will block all files with 2 letters or less |
| [16:21:07] | ReikoShea: | i could have done with one fewer |
| [16:21:11] | hadees: | iamlindoro, you have more unencrypted QAM channels then anyone i've ever heard |
| [16:21:17] | PatrickDK: | itwould be simpler to just do '^\.\.?$' |
| [16:21:24] | ReikoShea: | yeah |
| [16:21:29] | hadees: | iamlindoro, i hate you for that |
| [16:21:35] | keith4: | I have about 18 or 20 unencrypted QAM chans |
| [16:21:37] | ReikoShea: | oh thats right |
| [16:21:40] | justinh: | qt doesn't make a make install option?! |
| [16:21:43] | ReikoShea: | cause if i do -e . = character |
| [16:21:44] | keith4: | although, ESPN comes in without sound, for some reason |
| [16:21:55] | ReikoShea: | they do, but it installs to qt/bin |
| [16:22:03] | ReikoShea: | instead of usr/local/bin |
| [16:22:13] | ReikoShea: | /usr/local/bin* |
| [16:22:15] | justinh: | no --prefix available at config time? |
| [16:22:41] | ReikoShea: | lol, i didnt really care...i did the config at 5:15am |
| [16:22:45] | ReikoShea: | i wanted to go back to sleep |
| [16:22:54] | justinh: | heh |
| [16:23:20] | ReikoShea: | i got a page...got up and fixed the server...ran configure; make and then went back to sleep |
| [16:23:33] | ReikoShea: | 6 hours later it finished compiling |
| [16:23:42] | justinh: | what speed cpu? |
| [16:23:51] | ReikoShea: | Semperon 2000+ |
| [16:23:51] | keith4: | yikes |
| [16:23:53] | ReikoShea: | woot |
| [16:23:53] | keith4: | pentium 2? |
| [16:24:06] | justinh: | figures |
| [16:24:23] | justinh: | about an hour on my laptop then :) |
| [16:24:29] | ReikoShea: | i told you i dont spend money on hardware |
| [16:24:40] | justinh: | my backend is a slow compiler too |
| [16:24:42] | ReikoShea: | my webserver i got for free |
| [16:24:44] | justinh: | athlon 2000xp |
| [16:25:10] | justinh: | my old dev box is athlon 800. making changes was s l o w |
| [16:25:12] | ReikoShea: | dual athlon 2000mp 4GB of ram, 3 73GB SCSI hard drives, raid 5 |
| [16:25:17] | ReikoShea: | free |
| [16:25:19] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [16:25:37] | Solaris444: | mythtv really is awesome. |
| [16:25:42] | Solaris444: | Now that I finally got it working. |
| [16:25:44] | Solaris444: | ;-) |
| [16:25:46] | ReikoShea: | 1u, not tower |
| [16:26:01] | justinh: | funny but the only people who say mythtv sucks are the ones who didn't make it work |
| [16:26:02] | ReikoShea: | it is really nice solaris...i havent been disappointed yet |
| [16:26:15] | andreax: | ReikoShea: Oh, yu can stick it in my Rack... :) |
| [16:26:16] | Solaris444: | Anybody have any idea why mythdora refuses to let me use the keyboard to type stuff in and I have to use the remote though? |
| [16:26:18] | justinh: | didn't/couldn't |
| [16:26:31] | Solaris444: | justinh: getting it to work sucks. |
| [16:26:35] | Solaris444: | That is undeniable. |
| [16:26:45] | hadees: | so i don't know if anyone else watched the Systm episode on MythTV but besides totally ignoring there were linux drivers for HD-PVR i felt they gave out a bad recommendation to use graphic cards to decode video over a faster cpu. Tell me if i am wrong but i thought the consensus was xvmc is a bit of headache and that you should try and go with cpu decoding if all possible. |
| [16:26:45] | justinh: | getting it to work is dead easy. THAT is undeniable |
| [16:26:52] | Solaris444: | oh come on. |
| [16:26:59] | justinh: | hadees: I agree |
| [16:27:00] | Solaris444: | I've been working on this thing for 3 days. |
| [16:27:10] | justinh: | 3 days? IS THAT ALL? |
| [16:27:30] | Solaris444: | if it was "dead easy" it would take a couple hours. |
| [16:27:32] | iamlindoro_: | People need to realize this is NOT a project, it's a hobby |
| [16:27:34] | justinh: | takes people who use knoppmyth about 20 minutes |
| [16:27:48] | ReikoShea: | it was a weekend for me...the first time i set it up... |
| [16:28:03] | ReikoShea: | probably about a week to get it all working relatively well |
| [16:28:12] | ReikoShea: | now im just getting all the little stuff sorted out |
| [16:28:15] | hadees: | iamlindoro, yeah but once you figure stuff out and get over the learning curve you can greatly cut down the amount of time you spend on mythtv |
| [16:28:18] | Solaris444: | trying to find a pre-made distro that would support software raid was not easy. |
| [16:28:19] | justinh: | Solaris444: so what did you have problems with? |
| [16:28:27] | hadees: | if you want to that is |
| [16:28:41] | Solaris444: | then trying to get the software raid to format with my filesystem of choice failed. |
| [16:28:49] | hadees: | the learning curve just can be steep sometimes |
| [16:28:51] | justinh: | Solaris444: and this had WHAT to do with mythtv?! |
| [16:28:58] | Solaris444: | trying to get mythtv to recognise a framegrabber card was a nightmare. |
| [16:28:59] | ReikoShea: | ... |
| [16:29:05] | ReikoShea: | ut oh |
| [16:29:08] | Solaris444: | because it wants to scan for channels are there are none. |
| [16:29:11] | ReikoShea: | someone hit a hot button with justin |
| [16:29:23] | hadees: | Solaris444, are you new to linux? |
| [16:29:27] | Solaris444: | no hadees. |
| [16:29:30] | ajh: | oh just try with multiswitches and DiSEqc switches that don't respond properly. |
| [16:29:30] | justinh: | see – things nothing to do with mythtv getting lumped into the same sentence |
| [16:29:31] | Solaris444: | I'm not. |
| [16:29:43] | hadees: | Solaris444, so why go with a premade distro |
| [16:29:51] | Solaris444: | they are to do with mythtv if a distro paints itself as premade. |
| [16:29:58] | squish102: | Solaris444 im about to try get a distro that will install on software raid |
| [16:30:10] | hadees: | i use gentoo for all my linux boxes including mythtv |
| [16:30:14] | Solaris444: | hadees: look at mythbuntu. no support for software raid in the installer at all. |
| [16:30:25] | Solaris444: | mythdora was the only one i could find that would do it. |
| [16:30:29] | squish102: | even the alternale install cd? |
| [16:30:35] | hadees: | Solaris444, yeah, so don't use a pre-made distro |
| [16:30:37] | ReikoShea: | mythbuntu isnt maintained by mythtv...to my knowledge? |
| [16:30:39] | justinh: | you didn't have problems with mythtv as such, but the tuner card wasn't working right, and you were doing software raid which turned out to be a bitch to format. doesn't sound like any blame lies at mythtv's door to me |
| [16:30:54] | justinh: | ergo, mythtv is a bitch to install! |
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| [16:31:12] | ** cesman thanks justinh for the pitch ;) ** | |
| [16:31:35] | hadees: | Solaris444, it seems you are unhappy with the current state of mythtv distros but mythtv is not a distro |
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| [16:32:24] | justinh: | hadees: other than those little points the new systm video was ok. they could've spent more time concentrating on features rather than trying (and failing) to be an install guide though |
| [16:32:35] | Solaris444: | the tuner card works find justinh. |
| [16:32:50] | Solaris444: | Tell me why mythtv needs to create a channel list for a card that only has one input. |
| [16:32:52] | justinh: | Solaris444: I'm not sure analogue scanning is even meant to work |
| [16:33:09] | ** cesman would invite Solaris444 to install the latest KnoppMyth and provide feedback ** | |
| [16:33:17] | cesman: | or better yet, help in developing |
| [16:33:21] | Solaris444: | cesman: sadly it crashed on me. |
| [16:33:30] | Solaris444: | I think my chipset is too new. |
| [16:33:34] | cesman: | dfine crash |
| [16:33:47] | Solaris444: | During the install it would lock up every time. |
| [16:33:51] | hadees: | justinh, yeah they had a good overview and i posted to their forums about the HD-PVR snaffo and got a quick response from that dude in the video. Frankly I was surprised the mentioned the HD-PVR at all, i give them props for that only to be let down they didn't know there was a driver |
| [16:33:54] | Solaris444: | No idea why, no way to get feedback. |
| [16:34:11] | cesman: | there is the forum |
| [16:34:19] | cesman: | there is #knoppmyth on here... |
| [16:34:31] | Solaris444: | true, but i thought I'd try a different distro first. |
| [16:34:47] | cesman: | ah ok.... |
| [16:34:52] | Solaris444: | look, don't get me wrong, i like mythtv. |
| [16:34:59] | justinh: | but |
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| [16:35:20] | cesman: | as others have stated, MythTV isn't a distro |
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| [16:35:29] | Solaris444: | It's still in "add features, polish later" state. |
| [16:35:40] | Solaris444: | no, it isn't. I realise that. |
| [16:35:53] | Solaris444: | But you're still relying on installing it on some distro. |
| [16:36:09] | clever: | some distro's come with it preinstalled |
| [16:36:14] | cesman: | I've been using MythTV for over 5 years now. there has been LOTs of polish |
| [16:36:15] | justinh: | Solaris444: so what's your beef with having to set up a 'video source'? |
| [16:36:19] | clever: | knoppmyth mythdore mythbuntu |
| [16:36:46] | gbee: | but it's also true that there are lots of features still being added |
| [16:36:59] | clever: | cesman: i first installed 0.18 but quickly upgraded to 0.20(trunk at the time) and have been using trunk since |
| [16:37:00] | Solaris444: | justinh: it's not having to set up a video source. It's that the system insists on adding 60-something channels for a card with only one input. |
| [16:37:28] | justinh: | Solaris444: so? that one input could be connected to a STB.. badabing! |
| [16:37:39] | Solaris444: | Also, it would be nice for example if the content from something that has no listing (such as rca, to be used with video cameras etc) wouldn't be labelled "unknown". |
| [16:37:41] | justinh: | and YOU must've set up those 60-something channels |
| [16:37:45] | gbee: | cesman is right though, there has been a lot of polish – if you think 0.21 was bad then be glad you weren't using earlier versions |
| [16:37:52] | justinh: | Solaris444: you can change that |
| [16:38:08] | ** iamlindoro_ runs Myth .14 with *******ocracy! ** | |
| [16:38:12] | Solaris444: | no justinh, it adds all the channels by default. and refuses to display anything unless at least one is created. |
| [16:38:18] | clever: | 0.18 was still using seperate ring buffers! |
| [16:38:20] | justinh: | it bloody does not! |
| [16:38:40] | gbee: | there is a lot and I mean a lot of stuff which is just outside our ability to control, much of that causes the pain for users and not MythTV itself :( |
| [16:38:44] | justinh: | I have a backend on my laptop. with NO channels |
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| [16:39:05] | Solaris444: | justinh: the setup program complains at me if I don't add at least one channel. |
| [16:39:05] | clever: | i run several slave backends without capture cards |
| [16:39:18] | wagnerrp: | my primary backend has no capture card |
| [16:39:20] | hadees: | Solaris444, you should stop arguing with people who have successfully setup mythtv and have been users for years |
| [16:39:33] | clever: | wagnerrp: i thought the master MUST have a card? |
| [16:39:34] | justinh: | Solaris444: yeah. if you don;t tell it you have at least one channel attached to an input on the capture card.. er.. |
| [16:39:35] | Solaris444: | I'm not arguing with them. I'm pointing out my experiences. |
| [16:39:48] | wagnerrp: | clever: doesnt seem to be causing any problems for me |
| [16:40:06] | clever: | wagnerrp: i tried it once with my laptop to speed up scheduling and it refused to work |
| [16:40:20] | Solaris444: | If a user has a negative experience of setup, it doesn't mean there is something wrong with the user. |
| [16:40:21] | clever: | wagnerrp: i heard you had to setup a fake capture source from a .mpg file |
| [16:40:26] | iamlindoro_: | If they're your *experiences*, don't say what myth "insists" on... It doesn't, you just didn't know how to make it do otherwise |
| [16:40:32] | justinh: | the setup program goes "you seem to have added a capture card and nothing is attached to it. wtf are you doing?!" |
| [16:40:38] | wagnerrp: | clever: ive done no such thing |
| [16:40:47] | clever: | could have been fixed since then |
| [16:40:56] | wagnerrp: | i barely even touched mythtv-setup |
| [16:41:08] | styelz: | where do i edit the recording profiles? |
| [16:41:08] | justinh: | Solaris444: I think your expectations are out of step with the intended uses of the program that's all |
| [16:41:34] | Solaris444: | Well iamlindoro_, I'm just mentioning what the setup program reported. |
| [16:41:37] | iamlindoro_: | styelz: Utiltities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback Settings, Page three, edit the profiles |
| [16:41:38] | clever: | styelz: frontend config near the tv settings |
| [16:41:45] | styelz: | ah |
| [16:41:53] | hadees: | iamlindoro, how do you memorize that |
| [16:42:00] | styelz: | its looking for SP.. so i just name it SP ? |
| [16:42:02] | justinh: | there are plenty of things I'd like to see changed in mythtv-setup. 'video sources' being one of them but I'll save that for another -dev list discussion |
| [16:42:04] | hadees: | i always have to search for that stuff |
| [16:42:05] | clever: | hadees: by answering 200 noobs/day! |
| [16:42:07] | iamlindoro_: | Solaris444: no, you're mentioning your misinterpretation of the information you saw-- believe me, most of the things you are saying myth insists on are downright wrong |
| [16:42:10] | hadees: | clever, lol |
| [16:42:27] | ** cesman has bills to pay ** | |
| [16:42:30] | cesman: | later folks |
| [16:42:33] | clever: | hadees: i do the same thing with mirc help all day and night:P |
| [16:42:34] | styelz: | thanks, will try |
| [16:42:35] | justinh: | later cesman |
| [16:42:40] | Solaris444: | ok, so if I am misinterpreting them and I'm a fairly experienced linux user, what chance have other people got? |
| [16:42:43] | hadees: | clever, i wish i could remember, i'm always trying to find the settings i want to change, i know their general location but i couldn't pull it out like that |
| [16:42:43] | iamlindoro_: | hadees: Dunno, that kind of stuff sticks I guess |
| [16:42:48] | justinh: | clever: people need to be helped with mirc? :-O |
| [16:43:05] | hadees: | justinh, help to find a better irc client =) |
| [16:43:13] | clever: | justinh: yes, there are those who cant even connect right, one idiot put a plain /server in the on connect config |
| [16:43:22] | justinh: | Solaris444: mythtv doesn't have some all-hugging mission in life to be all things to every man & to take over the world. people seem to have a problem with that |
| [16:43:22] | clever: | justinh: so after connecting, it would disconnect and reconnect |
| [16:43:23] | iamlindoro_: | Ok, let's just all agree: Nobody around here, devs included, gives a *shit* about people's "usability observations" if they don't come with usable patches |
| [16:43:30] | clever: | and repeat until the server throtled him |
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| [16:43:53] | Solaris444: | it might be nice to separate the config from the general user interface though. |
| [16:43:58] | justinh: | clever: tell him to reinstall windows |
| [16:44:02] | Solaris444: | Sort of how MediaPortal does. |
| [16:44:07] | wagnerrp: | wooo! pre-recorded telemarketing calls are now illegal (or will be in a year...) |
| [16:44:09] | justinh: | Solaris444: like editing text files? bluegh |
| [16:44:21] | Solaris444: | nono. |
| [16:44:24] | justinh: | mediaportal's config regime sucks dogs |
| [16:44:33] | Solaris444: | mediaportal uses a separate, clicky interface. |
| [16:44:33] | hadees: | iamlindoro, that is somewhat true but there are areas of mythtv i think we can all agree could be better but they aren't unusable |
| [16:44:37] | Solaris444: | yes it does suck. |
| [16:44:45] | justinh: | I have so far managed to completely avoid getting a working mediaportal setup going |
| [16:44:50] | justinh: | several times |
| [16:44:52] | Solaris444: | but the idea of a separate clicky interface is good because it make configuration changes much faster. |
| [16:44:54] | iamlindoro_: | Nobody *cares* about these observations. Want something changed? Write a patch. If everyone agrees it will go in. The end. The devs are NOT looking for suggestions, and #mythtv-users isn't a suggestion box. |
| [16:45:10] | hadees: | iamlindoro, yeah i mean thats true |
| [16:45:31] | justinh: | separate clicky interface? huh? I'm confused. I thought mythtv-setup was gui based |
| [16:45:40] | Solaris444: | It wouldn't matter if i DID write a patch. I mean come on. |
| [16:45:46] | iamlindoro_: | huh? |
| [16:45:50] | clever: | justinh: mouse doesnt work that well within the mythtv gui |
| [16:45:54] | hadees: | Solaris444, so you won't even try? |
| [16:46:07] | clever: | the pointer is hidden by default!!! |
| [16:46:07] | justinh: | clever: so? |
| [16:46:07] | Solaris444: | Actually I would if I had time. |
| [16:46:13] | clever: | hard to click buttons blind |
| [16:46:15] | iamlindoro_: | come on what? Why wouldn't it matter? If you patch myth with a useful improvement, and persist in getting it committed it will go in, end of story. |
| [16:46:15] | Solaris444: | It's just that I already run a business. |
| [16:46:33] | justinh: | so don;t come here expecting to be able to use a mouse just because it's the 21st century. sheesh |
| [16:46:34] | wagnerrp: | Solaris444: if you wanted, you could learn and whip together a little Tk interface in a few days |
| [16:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | Well that's your life, and you've got to live it. But once again, nobody cares about your suggestions if they don't come with patches, so don't waste your breath |
| [16:46:43] | hadees: | Solaris444, then pay someone to do it for you |
| [16:47:07] | Solaris444: | I probably will hadees, when I'm able. I already have about 15 minor coding projects on the go. |
| [16:47:28] | Solaris444: | Unfortunately, my involvement in most open source projects has been less than pleasant. |
| [16:47:40] | justinh: | anyhow. good job it came out in here. if it'd been on a mailing list... that can get ugly |
| [16:47:42] | Solaris444: | For example, trying to do bug testing for opensuse. |
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| [16:48:12] | Solaris444: | oiy. It took 2 years to fix an important bug in the backup system. |
| [16:48:32] | hadees: | I actually think a bounty system for mythtv would be great |
| [16:48:34] | Solaris444: | I realise that's a different project, but most of my experiences have been similar. |
| [16:48:38] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: and if it were -users it would just degenerate into "Yeah! And also, add Miro integration!" |
| [16:48:41] | Solaris444: | hadees: I LIKE that idea. |
| [16:48:46] | Solaris444: | That's a great idea in fact. |
| [16:48:51] | justinh: | it won't happen |
| [16:49:01] | hadees: | justinh, yeah Chutt won't take money |
| [16:49:25] | iamlindoro_: | That said, multirec was brought to you courtesy of a bounty |
| [16:49:27] | justinh: | I know why I wouldn't take money for the project |
| [16:49:43] | iamlindoro_: | because then people expect support? |
| [16:49:53] | hadees: | justinh, what if he just approved the bounties though, he did let those summer of code stuff go on although it didn't really work out |
| [16:49:54] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: small beans in terms of wages though. very small |
| [16:50:25] | ** iamlindoro_ is still waiting on his first #mythtv-users paycheck ** | |
| [16:50:42] | iamlindoro_: | Seems to be a payroll screwup... and why did I get moved to the basement? |
| [16:50:51] | Solaris444: | well, what about setting a limit such as "when contributions reach $x we will use that money to write and test feature X" |
| [16:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | and has anyone seen my stapler? |
| [16:50:54] | hadees: | justinh, yeah but if enough people want something the bounty should at some point be enough to pay a wage, in theory anyway |
| [16:51:06] | justinh: | Solaris444: because then we become beholden to users. BLEUGH! |
| [16:51:26] | Solaris444: | No software is any good without users though. |
| [16:51:32] | justinh: | really? |
| [16:51:58] | justinh: | I'm not doing this argument again |
| [16:51:58] | Solaris444: | Well anybody who uses the software is a user. So if you don't have any users, your software has no need to exist does it. |
| [16:52:16] | hadees: | Solaris444, that is a philosophical argument with no basis in fact or logic |
| [16:52:28] | justinh: | well, there's a difference between people who make & use it, people who support & use it and those people who just use it & demand changes are made |
| [16:52:52] | Solaris444: | See, you and I see the word "demand" differently. |
| [16:52:58] | justinh: | damn. I said I wasn't doing this argument again |
| [16:53:12] | Solaris444: | When I see the word "demand", that means "opportunity" as far as I'm concerned. |
| [16:53:13] | justinh: | suggestion/whine/demand/request. same difference |
| [16:53:41] | Solaris444: | I've got a business owner's cap on at the moment. |
| [16:53:42] | justinh: | oh look – I can get another 'customer' who isn't going to give me anything |
| [16:53:52] | justinh: | :) |
| [16:54:10] | hadees: | justinh, i see where you are coming from but other projects have successfully done bounty systems |
| [16:54:11] | Solaris444: | Like it or not, mythtv has customers. |
| [16:54:12] | justinh: | hell there's hardly even enough frickin THANKS to go around let alone money |
| [16:54:29] | justinh: | Solaris444: but mythtv has no OBLIGATIONS |
| [16:54:36] | Solaris444: | I agree. |
| [16:54:38] | Solaris444: | It doesn't. |
| [16:54:42] | hadees: | justinh, no pay no play, the idea would be you don't do anything with out cold hard cash |
| [16:54:46] | justinh: | so end of story :) |
| [16:54:49] | Solaris444: | But it's still in a competitive marketplace. |
| [16:54:52] | wagnerrp: | mythtv absolutely does not have customers |
| [16:54:53] | justinh: | it's not |
| [16:55:04] | wagnerrp: | customers imply that the devs are getting paid |
| [16:55:04] | justinh: | there is no 'competition' |
| [16:55:30] | Solaris444: | Sure there is. |
| [16:55:32] | justinh: | nobody could give a flying rat's ass if freevo finally came up with the goods & all the chin-stroking Digg-ers fecked off onto it |
| [16:55:44] | hadees: | why the hell did it turn down this road |
| [16:55:50] | Solaris444: | You might be doing something for your own satisfaction, but if other people want in, you've got a product. |
| [16:56:28] | wagnerrp: | and if youre just giving away your product, you have no vested interest in what those 'customers' have to say |
| [16:56:36] | styelz: | hm, i think i mean "where do i edit the encoding profiles". |
| [16:56:55] | justinh: | no no no nono. those customers matter – cos they might go somewhere else! :-O |
| [16:57:02] | iamlindoro_: | fuck customers |
| [16:57:13] | Solaris444: | Well, the only reason the open-source model works is because more eyes make the product better. By pretending you're working in isolation, you negate that advantage. |
| [16:57:17] | iamlindoro_: | who gives a shit, let them use MCE or whatever the fuck else, the end |
| [16:57:57] | iamlindoro_: | Solaris444: You will *not* convince anyone, and you're not the first to say it. Nobody around here cares about widening the user bases-- in fact, that's hurt the community more than it's helped it |
| [16:58:02] | justinh: | more experienced users who can submit proper bug reports, write proper wiki articles, do proper artwork & write proper code make the thing better |
| [16:58:26] | justinh: | people who just quietly leech are doing nobody but themselves any good :) |
| [16:58:46] | Solaris444: | Let me put it this way. |
| [16:58:59] | justinh: | infact if anything they're a drain! who pays for all the downloading? |
| [16:59:10] | Solaris444: | Did you ever read that article about the guy who showed a math program he'd been writing to a first grader? |
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| [16:59:24] | iamlindoro_: | Doooooon't carrrrrrrre new topic |
| [16:59:36] | styelz: | where do i edit the encoding profiles |
| [17:00:02] | justinh: | right. postpone this discussion until we're all in a locked off quad, with a shotgun & 40 cartridges each |
| [17:00:02] | styelz: | SP, EP, LP .. etc |
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| [17:00:22] | justinh: | and I won't be there ;) |
| [17:01:25] | Solaris444: | I'm relatively rare in that I'm a business person AND a competent coder, system builder, system admin etc all in one. |
| [17:01:45] | justinh: | hadees: I was offerred fees to make themes a while ago. when I gave them my thoughts on a realistic fee I never heard back from them |
| [17:02:09] | kormoc: | justinh, $5k? |
| [17:02:28] | styelz: | if i select SP for archiving a TV show to DVD, it shoots from 2GB to 7GB in size |
| [17:02:28] | styelz: | or is that incorrect |
| [17:02:28] | styelz: | i try it and find out |
| [17:02:28] | justinh: | was less than that even |
| [17:02:32] | Solaris444: | justinh: what kind of fees for a theme? |
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| [17:02:51] | styelz: | feel the love |
| [17:03:24] | justinh: | so there's people willing to pay – just not necessarily a fair rate |
| [17:03:54] | justinh: | and that isn't even for somebody who calls themselves an artist (or hell even talented) |
| [17:05:08] | Solaris444: | justinh: but seriously, what kind of fees did you suggest for how many themes? |
| [17:05:14] | justinh: | anyway – this quarrel is as old as open source & will go on until the end of whenever |
| [17:05:40] | justinh: | Solaris444: I consider $40 an hour quite cheap – and a minimum of 40 hours' work to be reasonable for a theme |
| [17:06:03] | kormoc: | that's not bad at all |
| [17:06:06] | Solaris444: | ok. now you said you never heard back from them? did you actually chase them up? |
| [17:06:09] | justinh: | underselling, but it was fun back then |
| [17:06:19] | kormoc: | esp when you're hiring from someone who's made some of the most loved themes already |
| [17:06:26] | Solaris444: | because they would have been waiting for YOU to contact THEM. |
| [17:06:46] | justinh: | I got back to them outlining the fee.. and never heard back |
| [17:06:57] | justinh: | from that I assumed no real interest |
| [17:07:09] | Solaris444: | actually, they would have assumed you had no interest. |
| [17:07:18] | justinh: | whatever. their loss |
| [17:07:34] | Solaris444: | Standard stuff. If a "vendor" is too busy they don't usually come back to the customer because they don't need the money. |
| [17:07:36] | kormoc: | Solaris444, why? if you ask me how much to do X, and I tell you it costs Y, why would you assume I had no interest? |
| [17:08:31] | Solaris444: | Because that's just the way it works kormoc. *shrugs* |
| [17:08:36] | justinh: | eh? |
| [17:08:42] | justinh: | How much is this widget? |
| [17:08:43] | justinh: | £50 |
| [17:09:04] | justinh: | I said £50. do you want it then? |
| [17:09:04] | Solaris444: | Right, but do you have any idea how inefficient most multi-person businesses are? |
| [17:09:19] | justinh: | hello? are you there? do you want it for £50? |
| [17:09:20] | kormoc: | Solaris444, you assume first of all that this was a business... |
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| [17:09:26] | Solaris444: | If they are going to pay YOU, they expect you to contact them. It's no loss to them if you don't show up asking for money. |
| [17:09:50] | kormoc: | Solaris444, except he did contact them and said this is as much as he wants... What more do you expect? |
| [17:09:54] | justinh: | which part of 'I got back to them outlining my expectations' was tricky there? |
| [17:09:58] | Solaris444: | kormoc: he said "gave them". |
| [17:10:07] | kormoc: | Solaris444, the difference is? |
| [17:10:26] | kormoc: | typically you have to contact a person to give them something... |
| [17:10:42] | iamlindoro_: | This is the stupidest conversation that's ever happened in #mythtv-users... and that's saying something. |
| [17:10:44] | justinh: | it wasn't like I had a rate card on my website. far from it |
| [17:10:52] | Solaris444: | you said I assumed it was a business. "them" being a collective noun. so a group of people contracting someone to do a job would usually be a business. |
| [17:11:08] | justinh: | it wasn't even a 'hey, email me if you want something nice made jus' for you' |
| [17:11:40] | justinh: | just people emailing me on-spec. most were companies. maybe it wasn't expensive enough to be taken seriously. who knows |
| [17:11:42] | ReikoShea: | so....how about that xbox front end |
| [17:12:01] | Solaris444: | justinh: like I said, companies won't chase you. they won't. |
| [17:12:03] | justinh: | what? I can't hear you. hang on I'll just switch the xbox off |
| [17:12:08] | ReikoShea: | lol |
| [17:12:19] | iamlindoro_: | ReikoShea +1 OnTopic |
| [17:12:21] | kormoc: | Solaris444, sure they do. I've had companies chase me before for contract work... |
| [17:12:21] | ReikoShea: | i finally made my controller to female usb connector |
| [17:12:43] | ReikoShea: | doing the softmod (and hopefully front end install) tonight |
| [17:12:46] | ReikoShea: | wish me luck |
| [17:12:52] | justinh: | good luck! |
| [17:12:55] | clever: | ReikoShea: and the xbox controler uses non standard usb so you need special drivers(or a hacked controler) |
| [17:13:03] | clever: | (from what i read) |
| [17:13:13] | ReikoShea: | hmmm, i read something completely different |
| [17:13:20] | ReikoShea: | i just need to update xbox live w/ halo 2 |
| [17:13:23] | justinh: | clever: he means he hacked the controller cable & put a USB socket on it |
| [17:13:23] | clever: | finding link |
| [17:13:41] | ReikoShea: | please |
| [17:13:44] | clever: | justinh: i know, but it doesnt use normal HID protocol |
| [17:13:53] | justinh: | the xbox has normal USB |
| [17:14:03] | clever: | http://spritesmods.com/?art=xpad |
| [17:14:05] | ReikoShea: | yeah, and you can just plugin a thumbdrive to it |
| [17:14:06] | justinh: | the _controller_ isn't normal usb, true |
| [17:14:34] | clever: | justinh: acording to that page, the old controler is usb with a nonstandard plug and interface, layered over normal USB |
| [17:14:34] | ReikoShea: | yeah, im not doing controller -> computer |
| [17:14:51] | ReikoShea: | just a non-standard plug.... |
| [17:15:02] | clever: | could still be fun to read the page anyway |
| [17:15:02] | clever: | learn more! |
| [17:15:11] | ReikoShea: | oh ive read that page before |
| [17:15:22] | clever: | 'Secondly, the controller doesn't adhere to the HID-standard, which is the standard normal PC-USB-gamepads work in.' |
| [17:15:27] | justinh: | could be fun to run amok in a shopping mall with a tommy gun, but I don't go round doing it |
| [17:15:30] | justinh: | (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) |
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| [17:15:49] | ReikoShea: | im using the cord from the controller to hook in a usb thumb drive |
| [17:16:00] | ReikoShea: | i hacked the female end off a usb extention cord |
| [17:16:01] | clever: | justinh: youll learn what a 'cockmeat sandwhich' taste like if you do that:P |
| [17:16:07] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [17:16:10] | ReikoShea: | and then soldered that to the usb wires in the controller |
| [17:16:13] | kormoc: | clever, again... family friendly... |
| [17:16:26] | clever: | must resist urge to use movie references in channel |
| [17:16:30] | clever: | must resist:P |
| [17:16:42] | justinh: | what kind of movies do you watch to get references like that? |
| [17:16:51] | kormoc: | Gay Porno |
| [17:16:54] | justinh: | you only being 16.23674567 years old (or whatever) |
| [17:17:03] | clever: | justinh: 2 guys got sent to a cuban prison:P |
| [17:17:08] | clever: | kumar and something |
| [17:17:11] | wagnerrp: | hah! i remember that |
| [17:17:19] | justinh: | sounds like it might have ben stiller in it |
| [17:17:20] | ReikoShea: | ugh |
| [17:17:20] | wagnerrp: | (the age thing...) |
| [17:17:27] | ReikoShea: | i think my turkey sandwhich was spoiled |
| [17:17:42] | clever: | justinh: this movie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_%26_Kumar . . . antanamo_Bay |
| [17:18:03] | justinh: | I can tell by the title it's pure (cough) quality |
| [17:18:07] | justinh: | straight to video quality |
| [17:18:19] | clever: | dope smoker movie;P |
| [17:18:39] | justinh: | good news nobrains.. cheech & chong are getting back together |
| [17:18:46] | clever: | lol! |
| [17:19:04] | wagnerrp: | bah, cheech was better with don johnson |
| [17:19:26] | kormoc: | we need a #mythtv-offtopic... |
| [17:19:40] | ReikoShea: | lol |
| [17:19:44] | ReikoShea: | then no one would be in here |
| [17:19:45] | justinh: | or just hide this channel |
| [17:19:55] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: youre in the offtopic channel... thats why #mythtv exists |
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| [17:20:15] | justinh: | woohooo! hometime |
| [17:20:20] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [17:20:21] | Solaris444: | well after all that, is there a place to enable/disable they keyboard from within mythtv? because mine seems to be disabled. |
| [17:20:26] | Solaris444: | *the |
| [17:20:58] | iamlindoro_: | nope, no place to disable the keyboard |
| [17:21:11] | clever: | could simply be a focus problem |
| [17:21:29] | clever: | or the keyboard input system is half crashing like it does on a few of my systems |
| [17:21:35] | Solaris444: | hmm |
| [17:21:40] | ReikoShea: | anyone wanna place a bet on the compile time for mythtv 0.22? |
| [17:21:45] | ReikoShea: | any takers? |
| [17:21:46] | Solaris444: | well I'll try something else then. |
| [17:21:48] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:21:55] | Solaris444: | ReikoShea: 3 hours 45 minutes. |
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| [17:21:59] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, given it's not out yet... |
| [17:22:05] | iamlindoro_: | Six months, plus however long it takes to compile |
| [17:22:14] | ReikoShea: | the svn is out |
| [17:22:17] | ReikoShea: | soooo |
| [17:22:19] | ReikoShea: | lets see |
| [17:22:23] | clever: | ive had compiles take 2 hours when half the thing was allready built |
| [17:22:25] | iamlindoro_: | That's trunk, not .22 |
| [17:22:33] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, no, that's -trunk, it's not tagged as 0.22... |
| [17:22:36] | ReikoShea: | well the README calls it 0.22 |
| [17:22:44] | iamlindoro_: | it may have a version number that *says* .22, but that's only because it will become that |
| [17:22:45] | ReikoShea: | :P |
| [17:22:56] | kormoc: | it will be 0.22, but it's not yet |
| [17:23:03] | ReikoShea: | i understand that |
| [17:23:06] | clever: | then its 0.21.5? |
| [17:23:07] | clever: | :P |
| [17:23:13] | kormoc: | and who reads the readme in here... christ... first time for everything |
| [17:23:20] | iamlindoro_: | !trout clever trunk |
| [17:23:20] | ** MythLogBot slaps clever with a trunk trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... ** | |
| [17:23:23] | ReikoShea: | i didnt know yall were so defensive about versioning |
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| [17:23:30] | kormoc: | clever, no, it's revision 18655 of the trunk branch |
| [17:23:45] | clever: | then why does mine say |
| [17:23:46] | clever: | MythTV Version : 18122M |
| [17:23:48] | ReikoShea: | and i always read READMEs |
| [17:23:51] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, it tends to start floods of people bitching about how they don't have 0.22 packages yet and why don't those blasted sources update |
| [17:24:05] | ReikoShea: | oh, gotcha |
| [17:24:11] | ReikoShea: | noted |
| [17:24:15] | ReikoShea: | 0.22b = trunk |
| [17:24:16] | ReikoShea: | got it |
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| [17:25:47] | ReikoShea: | packages are for wimps anyway |
| [17:25:55] | ReikoShea: | thats how we train people round here |
| [17:26:12] | ReikoShea: | "You've never installed MySQL before???!!" |
| [17:26:19] | ReikoShea: | what are you doing in aptitude |
| [17:26:23] | ReikoShea: | download the source |
| [17:26:26] | ReikoShea: | pay your dues |
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| [17:28:20] | ReikoShea: | is anyone else getting a crazy amount of MSN spam? |
| [17:28:27] | ReikoShea: | (MSN Messenger) |
| [17:28:35] | sid3windr: | none whatsoever |
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| [17:29:55] | ReikoShea: | wtf |
| [17:29:58] | ReikoShea: | perl = legacy |
| [17:30:01] | ReikoShea: | per slashdot |
| [17:30:48] | PatrickDK: | reikoshea, it's called spam detection software :) |
| [17:31:11] | ReikoShea: | lol, pidgin has that? |
| [17:31:32] | ReikoShea: | besides 'dont accept messages from people who arent on my buddies list' |
| [17:31:57] | directhex: | ReikoShea, perl IS legacy! cool kids use ruby, apparently |
| [17:32:11] | ReikoShea: | im so uncool |
| [17:32:22] | ReikoShea: | i work in perl and bash...with a pinch of python |
| [17:32:30] | directhex: | ew, python |
| [17:32:32] | ReikoShea: | i might as well retire |
| [17:32:36] | abqjp: | Too cheap? http://www.buy.com/prod/1500gb-barracuda-sata . . . 8921110.html |
| [17:32:56] | iamlindoro_: | holy cow |
| [17:33:10] | iamlindoro_: | Didn't even think those were out yet |
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| [17:33:21] | abqjp: | They are accepting orders at that price.... They are not. |
| [17:33:28] | ReikoShea: | ....... |
| [17:33:30] | ReikoShea: | i want ones |
| [17:33:33] | ReikoShea: | plz |
| [17:33:35] | ReikoShea: | *fap |
| [17:36:24] | wagnerrp: | well shit |
| [17:36:45] | wagnerrp: | at that price, i probably wont bother expanding my current 750GB RAID |
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| [17:39:32] | Solaris444: | is there a way to do something else while a dvd is being transcoded? |
| [17:40:05] | Solaris444: | to leave the dvd transcoding screen without cancelling the job? |
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| [17:42:46] | iamlindoro_: | yes, just back out of the screen |
| [17:43:00] | iamlindoro_: | ie Escape key or the back key on your remote |
| [17:45:02] | Solaris444: | odd. i tried that and it prompted me to cancel the job. |
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| [17:48:35] | Shadow__X: | computer stuff is expensive they should give me discounts for being a student |
| [17:48:37] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [17:49:20] | wagnerrp: | who is 'they'? |
| [17:49:53] | wagnerrp: | i know if we buy through the Univ, we get a huge discount on dell stuff |
| [17:50:10] | Shadow__X: | yeah i do |
| [17:50:12] | Dagmar: | You might want to look more closely at that |
| [17:50:18] | Dagmar: | "Huge" isn't the word I'd use. |
| [17:50:30] | Shadow__X: | no i got around 800 off my dell laptop |
| [17:50:44] | Shadow__X: | i need another server |
| [17:50:53] | Shadow__X: | i am not going to goto dell for that |
| [17:51:01] | Shadow__X: | i already hate my laptop enough |
| [17:51:02] | wagnerrp: | i had never intended to buy any dell hardware, so i never actually looked at the prices |
| [17:51:24] | Shadow__X: | well it would be awesome if newegg gave me a discount |
| [17:51:25] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [17:54:46] | ReikoShea: | should i make a ticket about the configure script not checking /usr/local/Trolltech/Qt-4.4.1/include/ for the QT webkit? |
| [17:55:04] | ReikoShea: | on trunk/mythtv/configure |
| [17:56:04] | wagnerrp: | is there otherwise a flag to let you manually set that directory? |
| [17:56:22] | Dagmar: | If it's trunk, sure. |
| [17:57:05] | Dagmar: | If it's not trunk, it's likely the issue is on your end. |
| [17:57:05] | Dagmar: | It's not reasonable to expect a configure script to scan your entire filesystem. |
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| [18:03:07] | gbee: | lol, Sky's new slogan "Believe in better", that isn't going to backfire now is it? |
| [18:11:50] | ReikoShea: | 1 hour 15 minutes for trunk compiling |
| [18:11:55] | ReikoShea: | MUCH faster than QT |
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| [18:25:11] | Solaris444: | well that's that. |
| [18:25:21] | Solaris444: | it won't let me rip dvds now. |
| [18:25:27] | Solaris444: | I was letting me. |
| [18:25:32] | Solaris444: | But that seems to have changed. |
| [18:27:27] | ReikoShea: | is the device "in use"? |
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| [18:29:26] | Anusien: | Do I need to do anything in particular to turn the UPnP server on? Or alternately, what ports does it run on so I can forward those ports to the right machine? |
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| [18:30:30] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be forwarding anything, because uPnP is designed to function on a single network segment |
| [18:31:04] | iamlindoro_: | and no, the uPnP server is on by default |
| [18:31:14] | ReikoShea: | what device isnt seeing myth? |
| [18:31:27] | Anusien: | XBox360 |
| [18:31:41] | Anusien: | I know with another upnp server, I was having problems with it until I forwarded the right ports to that machine |
| [18:31:46] | Anusien: | and Nero Showtime |
| [18:31:47] | ReikoShea: | xbox360 is interesting in what it decides to see and not see |
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| [18:32:04] | ReikoShea: | are they on the same subnet? |
| [18:32:15] | ReikoShea: | usually 192.168.1.x |
| [18:32:26] | Anusien: | Yes. Everything is 192.168.37.x |
| [18:32:35] | iamlindoro_: | Then there are no ports to forward |
| [18:32:48] | iamlindoro_: | you can't forward ports from within a single network, it doesn't work that way |
| [18:32:49] | ReikoShea: | some routers do not allow upnp |
| [18:32:59] | ReikoShea: | you might check to see if thats disabled |
| [18:33:02] | Dagmar: | Doesn't matter |
| [18:33:13] | Dagmar: | The machines are on the same broadcast segment, right? |
| [18:33:23] | Dagmar: | As in, they are both plugged into the same switch, right? |
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| [18:34:40] | Dubstar_04: | hello |
| [18:36:36] | Dubstar_04: | Hello |
| [18:37:15] | Dagmar: | What are you wearing? |
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| [18:39:25] | Anusien: | aaand we're back |
| [18:39:39] | Solaris444: | what happened there? |
| [18:39:43] | ReikoShea: | no idea |
| [18:39:51] | ReikoShea: | i dont do the irc thing too often |
| [18:39:53] | Anusien: | net split. A couple of the IRC servers lost connection to each other |
| [18:40:01] | ReikoShea: | ahh gotcha |
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| [18:40:47] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: who was it you said might know? |
| [18:40:52] | ReikoShea: | justin |
| [18:40:56] | Anusien: | h? |
| [18:41:03] | ReikoShea: | justinh |
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| [18:41:05] | ReikoShea: | yes |
| [18:41:20] | ReikoShea: | or kormoc if he is on |
| [18:41:23] | Anusien: | justinh: What is the UPnP config file that has the external URL in it? |
| [18:41:57] | kormoc: | I might know what? |
| [18:42:05] | ReikoShea: | What is the UPnP config file that has the external URL in it? |
| [18:42:07] | Anusien: | Where the config file for UPnP is |
| [18:42:17] | kormoc: | ~/.mythtv/config.xml no? |
| [18:42:19] | Anusien: | The other question would be, should that contain 192.168.37.37 (local IP) or 70.114.139.74 (static iP) |
| [18:42:28] | ReikoShea: | local ip |
| [18:42:33] | Anusien: | yes it is cormoc |
| [18:42:50] | Dagmar: | I was under the impression there was no uPnP config file. |
| [18:43:23] | Anusien: | http://rafb.net/p/Q7tfTm58.html <-- change localhost? |
| [18:43:37] | Anusien: | err |
| [18:43:45] | Dagmar: | You um, realize that most of this stuff will work out of the box, right? |
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| [18:43:54] | Anusien: | Dagmar: It doesn't for me |
| [18:44:03] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Did someone change that stuff in trunk? |
| [18:44:17] | kormoc: | if you have the master backend setup correctly,t he frontend should pick it up all automagically |
| [18:44:55] | Anusien: | Dagmar: In short, I have music files loaded correctly and I can play them in the front-end, but neither XBox360 nor Nero Showtime detect the presence of any UPnP servers. They're all in 192.168.37.x |
| [18:44:56] | kormoc: | Dagmar, it's always had it, it's ment to be a cache so if the frontend sees that file, it'll use it, if it fails, it'll rescan for new upnp backends and get updated values I believe |
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| [18:45:03] | Dagmar: | Anusien: The uPnP stuff just refuses to work for me, but it works for enough other people I'm assuming something's just weird on my end |
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| [18:45:12] | Dagmar: | I've never seen thet file before |
| [18:45:30] | Dagmar: | It exists here tho |
| [18:45:34] | Dagmar: | Somethin' created it |
| [18:45:39] | kormoc: | Anusien, the config.xml file is for the FE to connect. To change what ip the backend is listening on, you have to change the ip it binds to in mythtv-setup |
| [18:45:43] | Dagmar: | So now here's a good question |
| [18:45:52] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Did you notice the port number that's listed there? |
| [18:46:27] | Anusien: | kormoc: Wil try that, thansk. But based on google/wiki, it seems that is more intended to fix "I can see files but can't play them", not "I can't see the server" issue |
| [18:46:48] | kormoc: | Dagmar, the db port? |
| [18:46:59] | Anusien: | Dagmar: I believe 0 means "Use the default" there. I think I remember being struck by that on mythtv-setup and investigated |
| [18:47:05] | Dagmar: | Yes, the "I can't possibly be right" zero |
| [18:47:11] | kormoc: | yeah, 0 means use mysql's default |
| [18:47:15] | kormoc: | it's sucky, but it works |
| [18:47:23] | tank-man: | have you looked at the backend logs? |
| [18:47:55] | kormoc: | although, I like the fact that he didn't remove the db password... |
| [18:48:05] | Anusien: | Yeah, I noticed that right after I pasted |
| [18:48:33] | Anusien: | luckily, that's not the root db password. and hopefully the router will blog external attempts to connect to the database. but please don't test it! |
| [18:48:57] | Anusien: | I can't even remove the paste :( |
| [18:51:01] | directhex: | blogging routers? |
| [18:51:05] | directhex: | man, everyone's at it these days |
| [18:51:07] | justinh: | nor can you remove it from the log |
| [18:51:08] | justinh: | :P |
| [18:51:39] | justinh: | blog == block? sounds about right ;) |
| [18:51:54] | Anusien: | yeah |
| [18:52:29] | Anusien: | I'll have to remember to change that password |
| [18:53:21] | justinh: | no time like the present |
| [18:53:40] | iamlindoro_: | too late, clever's already downloading all your porn |
| [18:53:50] | Anusien: | no porn on that machine, sorry |
| [18:54:06] | justinh: | no, iamlindoro_ meant clever's putting porn on there |
| [18:54:10] | Dagmar: | Well, you had some free space a minute agoi |
| [18:54:27] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [18:54:30] | Anusien: | wait, you mean I give out passwords, and I receive porn? This open source thing really does work |
| [18:54:36] | justinh: | rofl |
| [18:54:38] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [18:54:57] | kormoc: | Anusien, but it's highly likely gay porn |
| [18:55:14] | laga: | kormoc: why? |
| [18:55:25] | Anusien: | anyway, if changing the IP in mythtv-setup doesn't work, any other thoughts? |
| [18:55:39] | kormoc: | laga, he's been talking bout cock sandwiches for days now... |
| [18:55:40] | Dagmar: | Doesn't work for what? |
| [18:55:54] | laga: | kormoc: ah. i thought it was because of his nick |
| [18:56:26] | Anusien: | In short, I have music files loaded correctly and I can play them in the front-end, but neither XBox360 nor Nero Showtime detect the presence of any UPnP servers. They're all in 192.168.37.x |
| [18:56:45] | kormoc: | Anusien, remote frontend or same box frontend? |
| [18:56:48] | Dagmar: | Looks like you and I are in the same boat. |
| [18:57:00] | Dagmar: | For no apparent reason whatsoever, my myth box just refuses to talk to my PS3. |
| [18:57:04] | ** justinh chuckles at the mythui porting thread. poor gbee. such fine intent crumbled & fell into a quagmire of irrelevance ** | |
| [18:57:06] | tank-man: | the upnp works for me with my ps3 and nokia n800 |
| [18:57:06] | kormoc: | perhaps you just don't have a proper upnp network setup on the linux box? |
| [18:57:35] | Dagmar: | kormoc: There's something that has to be set up for it to work? |
| [18:57:55] | kormoc: | aye, 239.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 has to work |
| [18:57:57] | kormoc: | I had to setup a route for 239.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 out eth0 before I got upnp working |
| [18:58:17] | Dagmar: | Hmm.... |
| [18:58:31] | Dagmar: | Lemme look into that |
| [18:58:36] | Anusien: | Dagmar: Front end and backend are the same machine |
| [18:58:41] | Dagmar: | That could explain some stuff, although it should "just work" IMHO |
| [18:58:59] | laga: | justinh: this thread is nice, too. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/346273#346273 |
| [18:59:06] | kormoc: | Yeah, I never worked for me until I setup that route, but then it worked fine |
| [18:59:22] | Dagmar: | Anusien: Yeah, I've got relatively the same setup here. |
| [18:59:24] | Anusien: | kormoc: Is there more information about that? Iread about that problem before, but I don't think I have a firewall running on the machine |
| [18:59:35] | wagnerrp: | i set up a ganglia system at work, which communicates over uPnP |
| [18:59:53] | Dagmar: | To be specific, my setup is documented at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dagmar_d%27Surreal |
| [18:59:54] | kormoc: | Anusien, not really, i just dumped upnp packets and figured out what mine was attempting to do and fixed it via that route |
| [18:59:57] | wagnerrp: | the instructions said i needed to add a route for 239.0.0.0/12 before it would work |
| [19:00:08] | wagnerrp: | but it worked just fine without one |
| [19:00:25] | Anusien: | kormoc: ...aaand you went over my head :P |
| [19:00:28] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I wanna strangle the people who were telling me it "just worked" for them, if I could just remember who they were |
| [19:00:40] | justinh: | laga: OMG you have to build source code? |
| [19:00:41] | tank-man: | it just worked for me :) |
| [19:00:55] | Anusien: | When solutions that "just work" don't, they're rarely fixable |
| [19:00:59] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, yeah, ganglia worked fine without that route for me, it's la weird |
| [19:01:07] | Dagmar: | BY the way that should be a /8,, not a /12 |
| [19:01:11] | ReikoShea: | upnp is supposed to be magical |
| [19:01:25] | ReikoShea: | its like IIS webcluster |
| [19:01:25] | justinh: | upnp just worked & I had no idea how it even did |
| [19:01:27] | kormoc: | assuming the network is setup correctly, it is |
| [19:01:31] | ReikoShea: | it automagically syncs stuff from a source |
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| [19:01:44] | Dagmar: | RiekoShea: uPnP should fuck up all my media files? |
| [19:01:48] | dustybin: | what is upnp? |
| [19:01:52] | Anusien: | I oguht to check to see if the box is running a firewall... |
| [19:01:52] | wagnerrp: | whatever the multicast block is, they said i needed to have the IPs i was using accessible in the routing tables |
| [19:01:55] | Dagmar: | Universal Plug N Play |
| [19:01:59] | kormoc: | dustybin, wikipedia.org |
| [19:02:02] | dustybin: | Dagmar: sounds like a ms thing |
| [19:02:03] | justinh: | unreversible prod & pain |
| [19:02:19] | Dagmar: | It's a VERY insecure protocol for home LAN devices to request things/access/resources of other home LAN devices |
| [19:02:39] | justinh: | Dagmar: ahh there's upnp & there's upnp. upnp != upnp |
| [19:02:52] | Anusien: | It's also a frequent attack vector for outside access attempts, no? |
| [19:02:59] | wagnerrp: | its basically a system of autodiscovery using multicast addresses |
| [19:03:01] | Dagmar: | Lukcily, since all it's stsuff is broadcast addressed, you don't really have to worry about anything going across the border router |
| [19:03:38] | wagnerrp: | Anusien: its an attack vector if there is already a program installed that you can tell to request open ports |
| [19:03:57] | wagnerrp: | so... the system has to be compromised before you can use it to compromise the system |
| [19:04:11] | clever: | wagnerrp: a trojan could open the router up AFTER it gets in, to let its friends in |
| [19:04:21] | justinh: | is there a user on the system? if so, it's compromised |
| [19:04:29] | Anusien: | wagnerrp: i thought I remembered hearing about some routers doing it in a dumb way to request open ports, but that's neither here nor there |
| [19:04:32] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, no, some older routers would take forged internal packets from the outside and open ports that way |
| [19:04:42] | Anusien: | justinh: Worse yet, the user (goes by the name Anusien) thinks he knows what he's doing! |
| [19:05:09] | kormoc: | Anusien, so try adding that 239.0.0.0 route to your 192.x.x.x network |
| [19:05:14] | kormoc: | see if that fixes it |
| [19:05:23] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: so it really has nothing to do with uPnP, but rather shitty routers |
| [19:05:29] | Anusien: | kormoc: I don't understand what you mean. |
| [19:06:08] | kormoc: | Anusien, route add -net 239.0.0.0 netmask 255.0.0.0 dev eth0 |
| [19:06:10] | kormoc: | as root |
| [19:06:15] | Dagmar: | Add it to the interface, not the netwokr |
| [19:06:18] | kormoc: | assuming eth0 is your 192.168.x.x.x |
| [19:06:24] | Dagmar: | Man here it is on the freaking IGD page now |
| [19:06:28] | kormoc: | right |
| [19:06:29] | Dagmar: | @#!$@ uPnP |
| [19:06:31] | kormoc: | Dagmar, ooh? |
| [19:06:45] | Dagmar: | kormoc: I went looking high and low for info that might give me a clue as to what was wrong before |
| [19:06:59] | kormoc: | heh |
| [19:07:02] | Dagmar: | I'm used to equipment sometimes having odd ideas about broadcast addresses |
| [19:07:14] | Anusien: | kormoc: okay, what does that do? I'm checking out info on routing tables and such, but it assumes a basic knowledge I don't have (a link to a guide would work too) |
| [19:07:17] | kormoc: | I used tcpdump and went, uhh, why is it talking to that address? well, I guess I better allow it... |
| [19:07:24] | Dagmar: | I figured Linux didn't need it because there's other things similar that it doesn't need to be told about (because it's stack makes sense) |
| [19:07:38] | kormoc: | Anusien, basically it says when you try to talk to that network, send it out the eth0 device |
| [19:08:03] | Anusien: | interesting |
| [19:08:13] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Hell, man. I had the frontend and backend doing full verbosity, and had tcpdump running on the myth box itself. I was seeing the queries come in, Myth recognize them, and then not do a damn thing about them |
| [19:08:26] | kormoc: | Anusien, if you google linux routes I'm sure you'll find info bout it somewhere |
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| [19:08:38] | justinh: | when I'm done adjusting this 'mythcenter-wide' it's gonna receive some much-needed TLC. it looks like it needs some |
| [19:08:41] | Dagmar: | Considering I had a different CLI program that could see the myth box (and get responses from it) I figured it was just something weird between it and the PS3 |
| [19:08:51] | Anusien: | kormoc: Trying that now, thanks. My linux-fu is fairly weak |
| [19:09:27] | kormoc: | Anusien, worse comes to worse, you can reboot and the route will disappear (or use route delete -net .......) |
| [19:10:02] | Dagmar: | I'll be pissed if I get home tonight and it all works |
| [19:10:04] | Anusien: | so where does it get added to make it permanent? |
| [19:10:25] | Dagmar: | That depends on your distro. |
| [19:10:28] | kormoc: | Dagmar, I'll make sure not to tell you how to fix stuff in the future then :P |
| [19:10:49] | Anusien: | Dagmar: Running Ubuntu (Mythbuntu actually) |
| [19:11:14] | kormoc: | Anusien, so did it fix it? |
| [19:11:23] | Dagmar: | kormoc: We don't normally need to lay in explicit routes for broadcast addressing |
| [19:11:27] | Dagmar: | This is actually kinda odd. |
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| [19:11:41] | kormoc: | yeah, I agree |
| [19:11:55] | kormoc: | I wasn't expecting it was required, but alas, it was |
| [19:12:02] | Anusien: | kormoc: I'm not sitting in front of the machine atm, and x11vnc is being, um, glitchy. So I'm not sure |
| [19:12:16] | Anusien: | trying now |
| [19:12:26] | Dagmar: | I wonder if it's even worth researching why this might be needed. |
| [19:12:39] | Dagmar: | I suppose I probably *should* |
| [19:12:52] | kormoc: | on my box, it was just rejecting the packet as it had no valid network route to go to |
| [19:13:09] | Dagmar: | On mine, it wasn't even trying to generate the response packets that I could tell |
| [19:13:21] | clever: | kormoc: normaly it would go thru the default route, your gateway in that case |
| [19:13:25] | Dagmar: | All > no < in tcpdump output, so to speak |
| [19:13:35] | Dagmar: | clever: See but it doesn't. |
| [19:13:45] | kormoc: | huh |
| [19:13:54] | Anusien: | does mythtv upnp present a web interface? |
| [19:13:57] | kormoc: | I wonder if it's cause I do have a firewall on that box |
| [19:14:02] | kormoc: | Anusien, no |
| [19:14:04] | justinh: | gbee: does killall mythfrontend -USR1 work ok for you? |
| [19:14:05] | clever: | if a packet doesnt have a route entry just for its 'network', it goes to the default route, which is the gateway |
| [19:14:11] | kormoc: | Anusien, mythweb is what does the webinterface |
| [19:14:21] | gbee: | justinh: never really used it |
| [19:14:26] | ReikoShea: | pkill -9 mythfrontend would probably work better |
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| [19:14:32] | Anusien: | not sure if that's enabled, so I may not be able to test. Remote Desktop for Windows doesn't have directx, and so nero showtime won't run |
| [19:14:40] | gbee: | ReikoShea: no, no it wouldn't ;) |
| [19:14:46] | justinh: | gbee: doesn't seem to be doing the biz here – i.e. reload the theme |
| [19:14:56] | gbee: | justinh: let me give it a go |
| [19:15:15] | justinh: | ReikoShea: no the -USR1 is to force a theme reload signal |
| [19:15:18] | Anusien: | kormoc: do I need to bring eth0 down and back up or should it just work from once I add the route? |
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| [19:15:31] | ReikoShea: | oh...duh |
| [19:15:35] | ReikoShea: | i should know that |
| [19:15:37] | kormoc: | Anusien, it should just work, route -n will show you all the routes and all that |
| [19:15:39] | clever: | Anusien: bringing the interface down will delete all routes:P |
| [19:15:43] | Dagmar: | This is Linux. |
| [19:15:50] | Dagmar: | You almost never need to reboot or take anything down |
| [19:15:52] | gbee: | justinh: well it does reload the theme – only that QT4 bug means that the results are pretty broken |
| [19:16:05] | Anusien: | kormoc: the route shows up, but Nero still sees no UPnP severs |
| [19:16:09] | justinh: | heh. okees. I'll do it the olde worlde way then |
| [19:16:11] | gbee: | but the same thing happens with a normal (appearance settings) reload |
| [19:16:13] | ReikoShea: | pkill -USR1 mythfrontend? |
| [19:16:13] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah, im changing my entire network from a 192.168.1 to a 10.x.y.z without breaking a single tcp connection |
| [19:16:25] | kormoc: | Anusien, and it's out the same device as the 192.168 address? |
| [19:16:31] | Dagmar: | clever: No, you're not. |
| [19:16:32] | clever: | Dagmar: its taking some effort to get both subnets to coop but its working without a single reboot |
| [19:16:40] | Anusien: | kormoc: Out the same interface, yes |
| [19:16:48] | Dagmar: | Not unless you simply don't have any long-lived TCP connections there. |
| [19:16:52] | ReikoShea: | Anusien |
| [19:17:00] | ReikoShea: | can you cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| [19:17:04] | ReikoShea: | and paste it here? |
| [19:17:11] | clever: | Dagmar: i have both 192 and 10 ip's on every system now, and i can wait a week to delete the 192 ip |
| [19:17:13] | Dagmar: | ReikoShea: Why would you be trying to send SIGUSR1? |
| [19:17:13] | kormoc: | Anusien, hrm. You might want to install wireshark on the windows box and take a gander at traffic and all that jazz |
| [19:17:22] | Dagmar: | clever: Fair enough then |
| [19:17:23] | clever: | Dagmar: which lets me wait for the connections to die off on there own natrualy |
| [19:17:34] | Anusien: | kormoc: I may not |
| [19:17:36] | Anusien: | err |
| [19:17:41] | Anusien: | wtheck? |
| [19:17:49] | Anusien: | http://rafb.net/p/gXt7On88.html |
| [19:18:02] | ReikoShea: | Dagmar: justinh was asking about how to do a killall command, i was just suggesting an easier way to do it |
| [19:18:11] | ReikoShea: | killall is kinda finicky. |
| [19:18:37] | Dagmar: | It's not finicky. |
| [19:18:41] | Dagmar: | Try a non-GNU killall. |
| [19:19:00] | Dagmar: | Non-GNU killall with no arguments generally is the equivalent of "STOP EVERYTHING" |
| [19:19:01] | clever: | alt+printscreen+e |
| [19:19:10] | clever: | send a term signal to everything except init:P |
| [19:19:14] | GreyFoxx: | heheh I watching a coworker do that once a sparc |
| [19:19:17] | GreyFoxx: | was funny :) |
| [19:19:27] | iamlindoro_: | Anusien: is 0.0.0.0 is what's scaring you, 0.0.0.0 is called the "default route", which is aimed at your router ATM, probably (192.168.37.5) |
| [19:19:35] | iamlindoro_: | s/is/if/ |
| [19:19:38] | justinh: | I was not asking about how to do a killall command. |
| [19:19:42] | clever: | GreyFoxx: my sysrq is also 'fun', it shuts down every single service and only the login tty's resume |
| [19:20:00] | kormoc: | clever, does nothing here, perhaps you have the combo wrong |
| [19:20:11] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: Try watching someone do it on a SAP cluster |
| [19:20:13] | clever: | kormoc: it has to be compiled into the kernel and enabled |
| [19:20:16] | Anusien: | iamlindoro: no, the "wtheck" was because I hit paste and instead of giving me the paste, it said kormoc: I may not |
| [19:20:20] | Dagmar: | GreyFoxx: That there's a laugh riot. |
| [19:20:46] | clever: | kormoc: its dug in there realy deep, its designed to work even after a kernel panic |
| [19:21:00] | Dubstar_04: | does anyone know if there are any mythtv GSoC projects? |
| [19:21:06] | kormoc: | clever, I know, I was hoping to see you disconnect as you tested the combo |
| [19:21:08] | Dagmar: | None that I've heard of |
| [19:21:09] | iamlindoro_: | Yes, we know, and no, there are none |
| [19:21:13] | justinh: | no there are not. it was a waste of time last time |
| [19:21:14] | kormoc: | Dubstar_04, not this year |
| [19:21:15] | clever: | kormoc: im not that dumb:P |
| [19:21:17] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: Any thoughts? |
| [19:21:29] | Anusien: | kormoc: I might be able to do that, but I'm not sure I'd know what I'm looking at |
| [19:21:31] | clever: | kormoc: and even if i did do the combo, my irc client is on another system and wouldnt shut down |
| [19:21:58] | kormoc: | Anusien, wireshark is fairly easy to use, you'd want to just set a filter for upnp traffic and see if you see anything at all from the backend |
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| [19:22:08] | Dubstar_04: | Shame really. XBMC seem to have landed two good candidates!! |
| [19:22:29] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: so? |
| [19:22:33] | GreyFoxx: | dub: The last attempt at it left a bad taste in peoples mouths |
| [19:22:47] | GreyFoxx: | and noone had time to hand hold anyone this year |
| [19:22:51] | justinh: | mythtv might get the spoils eventually ;) |
| [19:23:04] | ReikoShea: | Anusien: Any thoughts on what? |
| [19:23:05] | GreyFoxx: | but with the right people it could be a good thing |
| [19:23:09] | ReikoShea: | ive been out of the convo |
| [19:23:11] | Dubstar_04: | I'll not mention it again!! |
| [19:23:18] | ReikoShea: | im at work and i have to tab away often |
| [19:23:50] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: you asked me to paste `cat /etc/network/interfaces` and I did |
| [19:23:52] | Dubstar_04: | justinh – are you still working on any themes? |
| [19:23:58] | justinh: | no |
| [19:24:13] | justinh: | I threw my crayons out of the pram |
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| [19:24:28] | ReikoShea: | oh my bad |
| [19:24:30] | ReikoShea: | didnt see it |
| [19:24:44] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: http://rafb.net/p/gXt7On88.html |
| [19:24:56] | Dubstar_04: | I remember. you gave me a good going over in the mythtv forum because i used some of yur glass icons |
| [19:25:09] | Dagmar: | That's probably the file you'd wedge "something" into to make the route to the broadcast address work, but I don't know the syntax |
| [19:25:12] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: it's great but can you just? if only you'd.... etc etc etc |
| [19:25:18] | Dagmar: | ...and I can't suss it out from looking at what's in there.. |
| [19:25:33] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: the licence said attribution was necessary |
| [19:25:44] | Dagmar: | Dubstar: Non-attribution is naughty |
| [19:25:48] | Dubstar_04: | I know i'm still sorry |
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| [19:26:00] | justinh: | and I accepted your apology |
| [19:26:07] | ReikoShea: | Anusien: so if you type ifconfig do you get any other interfaces besides lo and eth0? |
| [19:26:11] | Dubstar_04: | I know I love you too... |
| [19:26:24] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: no. |
| [19:26:32] | ReikoShea: | k, that shot my idea down |
| [19:26:50] | clever: | ReikoShea: when i tryed a new distro, at first i missed my beloved ifconfig, but then i grew to love the 'ip' command and all its power, now i use it on every distro:P |
| [19:27:12] | justinh: | anyway, fwiw there's more in the pipeline. right now I'm working on the core themes but as for my own I'm not giving anything away |
| [19:27:27] | clever: | i can do way more with 'ip' then i could ever do with 'ifconfig'(or could figure out at the time) |
| [19:28:05] | Dubstar_04: | I was going to say its a shame that you are not theming because i would love to see what you could do with mythui when its implemented!! |
| [19:28:18] | justinh: | as far as the existing stuff in /themes is concerned they can rot :) |
| [19:29:27] | Dubstar_04: | Thats not nice. your themes are still the prettiest! |
| [19:29:49] | justinh: | they're not rotting very fast |
| [19:30:06] | Dubstar_04: | Ha ha |
| [19:30:36] | Dispader: | justinh: You're not publishing your new work? |
| [19:30:52] | Dubstar_04: | i posted a link to the Qcoverflow widget in the dev forum. I would really like to see that come to fruition in mythfrontend |
| [19:31:22] | justinh: | Dispader: why would I? |
| [19:31:22] | Dubstar_04: | http://www.qt-apps.org/content/preview.php?pr . . . e=QCoverFlow |
| [19:31:37] | iamlindoro_: | Were's you told (like 30 mintues ago no less) that that's already being ported to MythUI? |
| [19:31:42] | iamlindoro_: | er weren't |
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| [19:32:42] | iamlindoro_: | oh, hm,, never mind, he was speaking to someone else-- anyway, that kinda thing will be more or less possible with MythUI, so need to bring it up here too |
| [19:32:47] | Dispader: | justinh: The comforting weight of being pelted with laurel leaves? |
| [19:32:59] | Dubstar_04: | Being ported. Hence I would like... |
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| [19:33:59] | iamlindoro_: | so implement it in your own theme and you can like all you.. erm... lik. |
| [19:34:01] | iamlindoro_: | like. |
| [19:34:04] | justinh: | cover flow isn't the most ideal UI paradigm for a lot of material |
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| [19:34:27] | Dubstar_04: | Change of topic – Has anyone tried the mythtube plugin yet |
| [19:34:51] | iamlindoro_: | try, rewrite twice, tomato, tomatoe |
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| [19:36:50] | directhex: | justinh, how about for covers? |
| [19:38:47] | gbee: | you're kidding right? Can't use cover flow for covers! |
| [19:39:17] | Dubstar_04: | justinh aside because i know his view on it – Does anyone watch webtv / videocasts? |
| [19:39:40] | Dagmar: | There's plenty of porno on the interwebs you can find all by yourself. |
| [19:40:39] | Dubstar_04: | ha ha not for that you monkey |
| [19:41:06] | Dagmar: | Everything is teen kids doing stupid shit that they've dubbed emo or crap music on top of. |
| [19:41:07] | Dubstar_04: | stuff like apple movie trailers and Revision3? |
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| [19:45:42] | Dubstar_04: | take that as a no |
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| [19:53:47] | hadees: | anyone remember who the guy was that was modifying mythnews to turn it into a podcast client |
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| [19:55:57] | justinh: | how about just using the ACME podcast client & dumping the resultant vids into mythvideo? DUH |
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| [19:58:23] | gbee: | hadees: well one of the devs, Kevin, has done some recentish work – not sure if that's what you are refering to |
| [20:00:11] | gbee: | today it's podcasts, tomorrow it will be another fad ... same goes for youtube etc |
| [20:00:19] | justinh: | sure you can use cover flow for covers, but rattling through a big collection would be er... oof |
| [20:00:37] | justinh: | that said, lists of a big collection is pretty dull too |
| [20:00:51] | gbee: | I'm genuinely suprised that no-one has demanded that we write a Facebook, MySpace, Friend Reunited etc plugin |
| [20:01:06] | justinh: | is friendsreunited still going? |
| [20:01:18] | gbee: | haven't heard otherwise |
| [20:01:41] | justinh: | gbee: should be easy to add a '$2.0person is watching $dullshow' status updater :P |
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| [20:02:20] | justinh: | somebody already made a twitter widget to er.. twitter about upcoming recordings & stuff |
| [20:02:30] | hadees: | gbee, lol, i don't think podcasts are a fad, I think tv shows on the internet are here to stay, and i'm taking about ones made for the net not pirated |
| [20:02:54] | justinh: | that systm lot looks about as worthy as BBC's 'Click' show |
| [20:02:55] | gbee: | I see coverflow being used in mythmusic after you've applied filters, selected artists etc, so you don't have to wade through a few hundred items to find what you want |
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| [20:04:02] | justinh: | I still intend to pinch a fair whack of the music smart search code to use in other places. I really like it |
| [20:04:12] | iamlindoro_: | gbee: So, you don't see the MythTube plugin becoming "official" then, eh? |
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| [20:04:42] | justinh: | what's with the option to save the videos anyway? sounds a bit dodgy to me |
| [20:04:58] | Dagmar: | gbee: what's the matter.... You don't want to see people loading up 4Gb of cover art into cache?> |
| [20:05:17] | gbee: | hadees: trust me when I say that you'll see competiting ideas emerging which rival or replace proper 'podcasts' (as opposed to calling all video streaming/downloads 'podcasts'), it's a moving target |
| [20:05:46] | Dagmar: | justinh: Someone twittering about what their myth box is going to record needs to learn that pretending you have friends that care is not the way to make them |
| [20:05:52] | gbee: | iamlindoro_: never said that, just that it will never be finished because there will always be something new that people want supported |
| [20:05:59] | justinh: | look at all the moaning going on about the bbc iPlayer |
| [20:05:59] | hadees: | gbee, maybe but getting download links from RSS seems so simple i don't see why it would change that much |
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| [20:06:11] | justinh: | hadees: I don't see what's so bad about using A. |
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| [20:06:24] | justinh: | hadees: I don't see what's so bad about using A.N.Other client & dumping em in mythvideo |
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| [20:07:07] | justinh: | it's not as if looking for new feeds is a viable option while sat in your armchair |
| [20:07:49] | hadees: | justinh, i do that now but it would be nice to be able to get a screen similar to the recordings screen telling me what has downloaded and is ready for viewing and what may still be downloading, etc |
| [20:08:05] | hadees: | also ordered by date it went into the system |
| [20:08:09] | gbee: | btw, if your definition of podcast is downloading and playing a video referenced in an RSS feed then we've had the ability for what, 2 years? |
| [20:08:44] | hadees: | gbee, not a podcast, a podcast client is pretty much something that can download media files via rss |
| [20:08:55] | justinh: | hadees: that already exists too, albeit in a hackish manner |
| [20:09:02] | rinaldi_: | can anyone recommend a decent media centre m-atx case for a new mythtv setup? I'm looking to spend less than £100, I was looking at the antec fusion but I hear setting up the screen is a pain etc... |
| [20:09:11] | hadees: | justinh, you mean dumping them into the recordings table? |
| [20:09:16] | justinh: | hadees: yep |
| [20:09:20] | gbee: | hadees: err, like I said, we've had that for ages in mythnews |
| [20:09:22] | Dagmar: | zinaldi: Actually, yes. |
| [20:09:35] | hadees: | gbee, it isn't the same you have to download right before watching right? |
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| [20:09:49] | hadees: | it can't do it in the background and then be ready for you when you want to watch it |
| [20:09:50] | Dagmar: | zinaldi: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=92480 |
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| [20:10:10] | Dagmar: | You will be hard-pressed to find one better unless someone's started making it in the past two months. |
| [20:10:28] | Dagmar: | rinaldi: http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=92480 |
| [20:10:57] | Dagmar: | rinaldi: You can just give up on the < $100 criteria. |
| [20:11:04] | Dagmar: | That's simply not going to happen. |
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| [20:11:10] | directhex: | £100 is $200 |
| [20:11:25] | Dagmar: | ...not unless what you buy is "just" a desktop form-factor case for a PC. |
| [20:11:30] | Dagmar: | Ah then he's good |
| [20:11:36] | rinaldi_: | Dagmar: nice, it's only £65 on ebuyer too, will look thanks |
| [20:12:07] | Dibblah: | Or unless you're buying something "imported". In which case, £100 = $100. |
| [20:12:21] | Dibblah: | Through the magic of Exchange Rates, or something. |
| [20:12:30] | justinh: | and tax :) |
| [20:12:32] | gbee: | wouldn't take much work to make the existing stuff work that way, but then that's not what you asked about initially – you asked about mythnews being a podcast client and it is already, might not behave how you imagine it should, but it's still a client |
| [20:12:41] | rinaldi_: | yeh, imports are way too much at the moment |
| [20:12:45] | hadees: | i still need to figure out what i'm putting in my bedroom, i think i'm just going to wait till the new mac mini comes out forcing down the old mac mini prices on ebay |
| [20:12:50] | rinaldi_: | anyone have experience with the antec fusion? |
| [20:13:17] | gbee: | £65 quid on a case?!? |
| [20:13:27] | dustybin: | lol |
| [20:13:42] | dustybin: | my whole frontend machine will cost less than that |
| [20:13:50] | iamlindoro_: | yes, I've installed mythboxes in both varieties, it works fine |
| [20:13:51] | dustybin: | but it is SDTV only |
| [20:13:51] | gbee: | could well have got my wires crossed there, missing half the conversation since I have people on ignore |
| [20:13:55] | hadees: | i think everyone is talking about different currencies |
| [20:13:56] | Dagmar: | rinaldi: Here's the problem... WTF good is a giant volume knob on the front of the box going to do you? |
| [20:14:26] | Dubstar_04: | I have a silverstone case and i use the voulme on the front if that!! |
| [20:14:26] | Dagmar: | rinaldi: That case is just a "tarted up" version of the one I just linked. |
| [20:14:41] | rinaldi_: | Dagmar: that's what I thought when I saw it, I was just wandering if anyone found it to be any good |
| [20:14:48] | Dagmar: | Dubstar_04: See, most people are on the other end of the room, and generally have a remote for dealing with volume changes |
| [20:14:53] | Dibblah: | Err... Actually, I like it. |
| [20:15:01] | justinh: | some people are perverted |
| [20:15:39] | rinaldi_: | Dagmar, i'd have it hooked up to an amp anyways, so i'd control main volume from there |
| [20:15:41] | Dibblah: | It's not just a volume knob, it's a selector. Pushbutton, too. So use it as a menu navigation thing / skip track / ... |
| [20:16:07] | Dibblah: | Shuttle control. Yeah, that's what I was looking for. |
| [20:16:13] | hadees: | my living room htpc case has a power griffin as the volume knob, sure it isn't that practical but it makes the case look like a piece of av equipment instead of a computer |
| [20:16:16] | justinh: | who over the age of 7 sits right in front of their tv? |
| [20:16:16] | Dagmar: | Dibblah: How much of a buttmunch is it to get that to work under Myth tho? |
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| [20:16:31] | hadees: | justinh, the near sighted |
| [20:16:31] | Dibblah: | LCDd, you mean. |
| [20:16:32] | ** gbee shuffles backwards ** | |
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| [20:16:38] | AndyCap: | hadees: and it cost an arm and a leg? |
| [20:16:39] | rambo3: | Hail G.W.Bush |
| [20:16:51] | Dagmar: | hadess: Personally, if the front of mine was one large, vaguly ametyhst colored piece of raw crystal I'd be fine with it |
| [20:16:59] | hadees: | AndyCap, well i got a really nice case but that was a long time ago and i'm still using it |
| [20:17:10] | justinh: | to hell with who has rights to Ossettia, which HTPC case is the most lame? ;) |
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| [20:17:11] | AndyCap: | hadees: atech fabrication? |
| [20:17:13] | Dubstar_04: | Does anyone use the Hauppauge Nova-t 500 cards? |
| [20:17:19] | hadees: | AndyCap, yup |
| [20:17:21] | hadees: | i have the 3000 |
| [20:17:23] | hadees: | http://atechfabrication.com/ |
| [20:17:28] | Dagmar: | justinh: At least I'm aware that the Georgians started it |
| [20:17:29] | justinh: | Dubstar_04: yes, people do |
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| [20:17:45] | Dubstar_04: | Does anyone who is on here? |
| [20:17:53] | gbee: | ok, back on ignore |
| [20:17:56] | AndyCap: | ooh, ribbed for your pleasure http://atechfabrication.com/products/HeatSync_7000.htm |
| [20:18:07] | Dagmar: | Holy crap it's a heet sink with an optical drive mount |
| [20:18:14] | hadees: | AndyCap, although mythtv can't really use it effectively i could see the touchscreen option being really useful |
| [20:18:49] | gbee: | mythui ftw, touchscreen support |
| [20:18:50] | Dagmar: | SWEET JESUS 500 BUCKS?! |
| [20:19:01] | AndyCap: | Dagmar: that's before the extras. :) |
| [20:19:11] | justinh: | extras? |
| [20:19:16] | Dagmar: | Man I know people here locally who'd do it for that |
| [20:19:27] | Dagmar: | justinh: Logo etching, etc |
| [20:19:34] | hadees: | i know mythtv has touchscreen support but if you had a touch screen in the case i would expect it not to just mirror the mythtv screen |
| [20:19:39] | gbee: | planning to mod my One to have a touchscreen, with mouse/touchscreen friendly mythfrontend |
| [20:19:44] | AndyCap: | hadees: so run two frontends. :P |
| [20:19:45] | justinh: | heh. every case needs a garish lED-lit logo |
| [20:20:09] | Dagmar: | justinh: Shrinky-dinks for the win |
| [20:20:19] | AndyCap: | hadees: and use the telnet port on the bigscreen frontend for some controlfunctions in the menu on the little screen |
| [20:20:37] | AndyCap: | usb port $25. :) |
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| [20:21:04] | hadees: | AndyCap, lol i don't think that would work, i actually thought about just writing a controller app to use on the touch screen but then it defeats one the reasons i would want it which is so i can use mythmusic with out turning on my tv |
| [20:21:08] | AndyCap: | blue powerled $5. :) |
| [20:21:23] | gbee: | justinh: so ... something for LinuxWorld then? Instead of case badges, light up MythTV logo thingys for insetting into the case of your choice? |
| [20:21:40] | AndyCap: | hadees: I would think running a separate frontend on the touchscreen would work fine for mythmusic. :) |
| [20:22:02] | at0m|c: | hi, i received an invitation to continue my SIP registration for 30$. is there an alternative for mythphone users? |
| [20:22:11] | hadees: | AndyCap, the price is crazy expensive but the dude builds those cases to your spec by hand, and if you want something different, like a weird ir receiver worked in or something he will do it |
| [20:22:43] | AndyCap: | hadees: They're pretty. If I find a suitcase full of money I'm buying. :) |
| [20:23:16] | AndyCap: | Black slot covers. O_o |
| [20:23:48] | hadees: | i just love the heat sinks |
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| [20:25:40] | AndyCap: | at0m|c: are you only using mythphone for FWD? |
| [20:26:19] | AndyCap: | teh irony: http://www.freeworlddialup.com/img/fwd_sentence2.jpg |
| [20:26:46] | hadees: | AndyCap, my dream case from Atech is $1,224.00 but that includes $400 for the touch screen |
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| [20:27:33] | at0m|c: | AndyCap, i guess another SIP registrar would do |
| [20:27:34] | hadees: | but to be honest i think at this point i would rather just but 2 brand new macminis |
| [20:28:10] | AndyCap: | at0m|c: there were some alternative providers mentioned in the slashdot article iirc. |
| [20:29:06] | at0m|c: | AndyCap, cheers, will look up on slashdot! |
| [20:29:47] | ** AndyCap only used it to play with asterisk ** | |
| [20:30:02] | AndyCap: | I've since moved on to the pound key. |
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| [20:30:50] | hadees: | asterisk is really cool but frankly overkill for me |
| [20:31:06] | hadees: | i really just use my cellphone |
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| [20:32:56] | Dubstar_04: | whatever happened to skype video api? |
| [20:34:22] | justinh: | whatever happened to Shirgar? |
| [20:34:53] | AndyCap: | maybe skype figured out they didn't want to host a 24/7 online orgy? |
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| [20:36:24] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [20:38:31] | ReikoShea: | get something in your eye, kormoc? |
| [20:38:39] | ReikoShea: | that happens to me all the time |
| [20:38:47] | ReikoShea: | the need to blink just becomes too overwhelming |
| [20:39:29] | kormoc: | If I don't blink, my eyes dry out |
| [20:39:38] | ReikoShea: | weakling |
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| [20:41:53] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, perhaps you shouldn't blink for the next few hours then |
| [20:42:03] | ReikoShea: | psha |
| [20:42:06] | ReikoShea: | i never blink |
| [20:42:11] | ReikoShea: | as i said |
| [20:42:16] | ReikoShea: | blinking is for the weak |
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| [20:42:26] | kormoc: | so you're untrustworthy eh? Good to know |
| [20:42:40] | ReikoShea: | more like untrusting |
| [20:42:54] | ReikoShea: | sleep with my eyes open kinda guy...although i rarely sleep |
| [20:42:56] | ReikoShea: | because again |
| [20:42:59] | ReikoShea: | its for the weak |
| [20:42:59] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [20:43:03] | Anusien: | I don't sleep, I go into standby |
| [20:43:11] | kormoc: | I like sleeping |
| [20:43:21] | justinh: | sleep is my favourite part |
| [20:43:23] | ReikoShea: | hibernate is more up my alley.... |
| [20:43:25] | kormoc: | African sleeping sickness sounds like a great vacation to me! |
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| [20:44:54] | ReikoShea: | you know what the worst part of systems administration is? |
| [20:44:58] | ReikoShea: | creating new users |
| [20:45:03] | ReikoShea: | it really eats my soul |
| [20:45:15] | Anusien: | Your problem is you care about your users |
| [20:45:19] | justinh: | newbies eat my soul too |
| [20:45:50] | Anusien: | less checking of your e-mail, more settlers of cataan imo |
| [20:45:54] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, that's what unified login services is all about. one login, a few checkboxes, all done |
| [20:46:00] | ReikoShea: | well, i just dont like know-it-all managers coming into my cave asking why their new people dont have access to crap |
| [20:46:14] | ReikoShea: | yeah, that would be nice, kormoc, but i didnt write the software |
| [20:46:19] | justinh: | and that's that turned off |
| [20:46:23] | ReikoShea: | and they wont make it auth off my ldap server |
| [20:46:36] | ReikoShea: | so im pretty well hosed |
| [20:47:02] | kormoc: | so cause their software to fail until they pick new software? |
| [20:47:36] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: They didn't fill out the proper forms |
| [20:47:39] | Anusien: | Becuase they never do |
| [20:47:44] | justinh: | arghh what's happened to the menu? it used to cycle around. now it seems to stop at the top & bottom |
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| [20:48:37] | justinh: | probably easy to change that. sometimes easier to go up, up rather than down down down down down ;) |
| [20:49:00] | ReikoShea: | i could do that, kormoc, but something tells me i wouldnt have a job for very long after that happened |
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| [20:50:25] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, depends on if you get caught |
| [20:50:29] | ReikoShea: | whats great is when im on conference calls with new clients and they ask "Can you integrate your product into our ldap server?" |
| [20:50:41] | ReikoShea: | and i have to hurry and put the phone on mute before i laugh |
| [20:53:58] | rambo3: | Why is that? |
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| [20:54:47] | ReikoShea: | because they wont integrate with my ldap server |
| [20:54:55] | ReikoShea: | what makes them think we'll integrate with theirs |
| [20:55:10] | joomla_user: | money |
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| [20:55:37] | joomla_user: | first you get the ldap, then you get money and women |
| [20:56:14] | ReikoShea: | ..... |
| [20:56:14] | Shadow__X: | how many steps have you completed |
| [20:56:18] | joomla_user: | Also you are depresing this channel . |
| [20:56:21] | ReikoShea: | ive got the ldap and the woman |
| [20:56:34] | ReikoShea: | the money is in her purse |
| [20:56:35] | ReikoShea: | :( |
| [20:56:35] | joomla_user: | Shadow__X, I am on the 10 th cycle. |
| [20:57:26] | moodboom: | hey all, anyone using svn trunk? (i'm trying it and getting a segfault) |
| [20:57:35] | justinh: | works fine here |
| [20:57:38] | ReikoShea: | what are you trying to do, mood? |
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| [20:58:00] | justinh: | build it with debugging symbols, get a backtrace as described in the official mythtv docs... |
| [20:58:40] | moodboom: | justin whew... ok, i guess i could try that :> |
| [20:58:49] | ReikoShea: | jeez justin....you always go back to the docs |
| [20:58:52] | ReikoShea: | you're cold |
| [20:58:53] | iamlindoro_: | I'll bet five dollars I can hit the problem on the first try |
| [20:58:54] | ReikoShea: | ice cold |
| [20:58:57] | iamlindoro_: | any takers? |
| [20:59:00] | iamlindoro_: | $5, right now |
| [20:59:09] | moodboom: | I'M not taking that bet |
| [20:59:11] | ReikoShea: | lol, not a taker, but im curious... |
| [20:59:14] | moodboom: | :> |
| [20:59:21] | ReikoShea: | qt 4.3 |
| [20:59:26] | iamlindoro_: | moodboom: did you have an existing myth install on that system? |
| [21:00:01] | moodboom: | yeah |
| [21:00:06] | ReikoShea: | damn |
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| [21:00:35] | Dagmar: | Easy money |
| [21:00:35] | iamlindoro_: | moodboom: you need to get the old out before you compile the new, or crashy crashy |
| [21:00:47] | Dagmar: | "Unclean build environment" |
| [21:00:54] | ** Dagmar shuns you. ** | |
| [21:00:56] | ReikoShea: | sudo bash; updatedb; for i in `locate mythtv`; do rm -Rf $i; done |
| [21:00:57] | moodboom: | hehe ok, thanks iamlindoro |
| [21:01:01] | ReikoShea: | DO NOT RUN THAT |
| [21:01:03] | Anusien: | "crashy crashy five dolla"? |
| [21:01:07] | Dagmar: | No one type that command |
| [21:01:16] | Dagmar: | Juuust fuckin' DONT |
| [21:01:24] | ReikoShea: | itll clean it out though |
| [21:01:24] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [21:01:25] | Anusien: | Why? What's the worst that can happen? |
| [21:01:41] | Dagmar: | Anusien: it can and will nuke just about anything that has mythtv in the name |
| [21:01:43] | iamlindoro_: | extreme sorrow |
| [21:01:45] | Anusien: | I know, I'm joking |
| [21:02:04] | ReikoShea: | well itll sure as hell clean up his build environment |
| [21:02:05] | Anusien: | But would it work? Wouldn't it run the bash shell as root, but the other commands run in the old shell (not the new one)? |
| [21:02:12] | kormoc: | and it won't always help, mythui won't get nuked... |
| [21:02:25] | kormoc: | Anusien, yeah, it's broken |
| [21:02:33] | ReikoShea: | i dont remember if that works Anusien |
| [21:02:43] | ReikoShea: | oh instead of ; use && |
| [21:02:44] | Anusien: | yeah, I tried it with `sudo bash | w` |
| [21:02:46] | ReikoShea: | thats what it was |
| [21:02:58] | Anusien: | negative |
| [21:03:15] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5137 may help a bit, but better just uninstall it properly rather than nuking the .so's |
| [21:03:25] | ReikoShea: | *sigh |
| [21:03:29] | ReikoShea: | party poopers |
| [21:03:44] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: if you're going to write scripts to kill a machine, at least test them first to make sure they work! |
| [21:03:45] | moodboom: | iamlindoro et al, thanks |
| [21:03:58] | clever: | ReikoShea: your find command would also find my data dir and nuke 300gig of recordings |
| [21:03:59] | iamlindoro_: | np |
| [21:04:00] | kormoc: | easier, for drive in /dev/sd*; do ddd if=/dev/zero of=$drive; done; (mistake intentional to prevent stupids running it) |
| [21:04:03] | clever: | and nuke the source code |
| [21:04:11] | moodboom: | haha |
| [21:04:15] | justinh: | there's me thinking people were er.. ahem well never mind |
| [21:04:17] | kormoc: | clever, I don't think it would, give it a try |
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| [21:04:26] | justinh: | compiling code on top of packages? oops |
| [21:04:42] | clever: | justinh: i uninstalled the 0.18 packages ages ago |
| [21:04:53] | justinh: | lalalalala |
| [21:04:53] | Anusien: | kormoc: what's the error? I'm curious |
| [21:05:01] | iamlindoro_: | ddd |
| [21:05:16] | Anusien: | ah, I've seen that program before but don't know the syntax. |
| [21:05:18] | kormoc: | Anusien, ddd rather then dd |
| [21:05:25] | clever: | iamlindoro_: yeah that program is helpfull for debuging |
| [21:05:54] | clever: | (its a real prog:P) |
| [21:05:58] | clever: | Description: The Data Display Debugger, a graphical debugger frontend |
| [21:05:59] | clever: | ... |
| [21:06:05] | Anusien: | ah |
| [21:06:26] | ReikoShea: | im sorry guys...i fail at malicious scripts on the fly |
| [21:06:29] | kormoc: | yeah, but ddd won't overwrite your drives with zeros, dd would |
| [21:06:36] | clever: | it controls things like gdb by giving you 20 pretty buttons so you dont have to dig thru a manual for some obscure command |
| [21:06:46] | ReikoShea: | ill never put a sudo bash command again without a -c |
| [21:06:48] | ReikoShea: | promise |
| [21:07:02] | clever: | kormoc: using ddd you could change the code in ram for an existing program and make it do anything:P |
| [21:07:04] | Anusien: | ah! |
| [21:07:13] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, :(){ :|:& };: |
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| [21:08:01] | ReikoShea: | i got nothing on that, kormoc |
| [21:09:18] | kormoc: | alias ls="rm -rf *" |
| [21:09:20] | kormoc: | that's a fun one |
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| [21:10:05] | clever: | kormoc: wont work, i wouldnt run your stuff as root |
| [21:10:11] | clever: | the real nasty one would be |
| [21:10:19] | clever: | alias sudo="sudo rm -rf /" |
| [21:10:45] | ReikoShea: | yall arent even being cleaver |
| [21:10:48] | clever: | or worse, to 'infect' |
| [21:10:51] | Anusien: | cleaver? |
| [21:10:53] | Anusien: | :P |
| [21:10:54] | clever: | echo 'alias sudo="sudo rm -rf /"' >> ~/.bashrc |
| [21:10:57] | ReikoShea: | clever |
| [21:10:58] | ReikoShea: | fail |
| [21:11:00] | ReikoShea: | :( |
| [21:11:07] | clever: | now every shell you start from now on will alias sudo up:P |
| [21:11:22] | clever: | chmod -w your rc files if you dont trust stuff your using:P |
| [21:11:42] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, meh. clever isn't for random stuff, clever takes work |
| [21:11:48] | clever: | or just dont run untrustable stuff to begin with |
| [21:11:56] | Anusien: | clever: just add a line to your mythtv startup to remove all media files. or better yet, just remove a random one! |
| [21:12:04] | ReikoShea: | you should have seen the email i just got.... |
| [21:12:15] | ReikoShea: | Microsoft Outlook tutorial with fishing links at the end |
| [21:12:19] | ReikoShea: | it looks really legit |
| [21:12:19] | clever: | Anusien: no need to duplicate stuff autoexpire allready made |
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| [21:12:33] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: fishing or phishing? |
| [21:12:36] | Anusien: | clever: Huh? |
| [21:12:36] | ReikoShea: | logrotate media directory |
| [21:12:45] | ReikoShea: | i spell it the way i say it |
| [21:12:46] | clever: | Anusien: randomly deleting recordings without warning |
| [21:12:47] | ReikoShea: | phishing |
| [21:12:55] | Anusien: | ah okay |
| [21:13:05] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, what's really fun is to run a script via at that does a sigsuspend on a random process for a few seconds every few minutes. Drives people batty |
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| [21:13:18] | ReikoShea: | .... |
| [21:13:26] | Anusien: | clever: Is that a plugin or a base feature? |
| [21:13:28] | ReikoShea: | kormoc: id kill a bitch |
| [21:13:31] | clever: | kormoc: yeah that would probly drive me more nuts, while producing little actual damage |
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| [21:13:41] | clever: | Anusien: its a core part of mythbackend |
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| [21:13:54] | clever: | deletes recordings when you get low on disk space |
| [21:13:55] | Anusien: | You're not joking are you |
| [21:13:55] | kormoc: | the best part, who even knows to check at anymore? |
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| [21:14:09] | ReikoShea: | its not too difficult |
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| [21:14:22] | kormoc: | it's just not something people think bout these days |
| [21:14:25] | ReikoShea: | if i see a sleep 60 coming from something i dont know what it is |
| [21:14:30] | ReikoShea: | id kill it and the author |
| [21:14:42] | clever: | kormoc: im actualy using atq lately for some simple stuff in my channel changer |
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| [21:15:04] | ReikoShea: | someone tried to root kit me a while back, but there is a very special command that is little used, and most root kits forget to modify |
| [21:15:19] | clever: | ReikoShea: which special command? |
| [21:15:24] | kormoc: | Also, setting files to be immutable is fun |
| [21:15:32] | kormoc: | I bet you can't delete this file, even as root... |
| [21:15:37] | ReikoShea: | pstree,yo |
| [21:15:38] | clever: | i use the shells tab complete whenever ls is broken, like when i moved /bin/ by mistake |
| [21:15:42] | clever: | ahh |
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| [21:15:47] | ReikoShea: | i love immutable |
| [21:15:52] | ReikoShea: | it drove me batty the other day |
| [21:16:02] | ReikoShea: | we -i all of our ssl certs on production servers |
| [21:16:16] | ReikoShea: | and i couldnt figure out why i couldnt update an expired cert |
| [21:16:26] | ReikoShea: | took me about 2 minutes before i figured it out |
| [21:16:31] | ReikoShea: | but still rather annoying |
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| [21:17:01] | clever: | ahhh immutable looks fun |
| [21:17:02] | funburn: | is anyone working on a mythremote for ipod touch/iPhone? |
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| [21:17:25] | ReikoShea: | sudo chattr -R +i / |
| [21:17:30] | clever: | ouch! |
| [21:17:42] | ReikoShea: | fuck with a noob for days with that one |
| [21:17:48] | clever: | yeah |
| [21:18:07] | funburn: | ooh MyMote |
| [21:18:08] | ReikoShea: | dont forget sudo chattr -R +i /.* |
| [21:18:11] | clever: | my system bearly boots atm because it crashes halfway thru and winds up with / read only |
| [21:18:20] | ReikoShea: | gotta get the hidden ones too |
| [21:18:41] | clever: | ReikoShea: just do them both at once /.* / |
| [21:18:58] | clever: | though -R may get hidden files when reading / so it might not be needed |
| [21:19:14] | clever: | the problem is when idiots do /* |
| [21:19:48] | ReikoShea: | im starting to feel like an idiot right now |
| [21:19:57] | kormoc: | why's that? |
| [21:20:00] | ReikoShea: | evolution will NOT apply my filters when it receives a message |
| [21:20:06] | clever: | linux/unix is a complex beast |
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| [21:20:29] | clever: | i havent even bothered trying to set those up out of lazyness:P |
| [21:20:47] | ReikoShea: | i only have linux machines |
| [21:20:52] | ReikoShea: | i get frustrated with windows |
| [21:20:59] | ReikoShea: | on linux...i just get frustrated with adobe |
| [21:21:10] | clever: | i have 3 recent windows systems |
| [21:21:13] | ReikoShea: | WHY CANT I HAVE WORKING FLASH AND WHY CAN I NOT HAVE PHOTOSHOP! |
| [21:21:17] | clever: | a win 3.11 system |
| [21:21:31] | ReikoShea: | you make me very sad |
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| [21:21:37] | clever: | and everything else(8) are linux |
| [21:21:46] | clever: | the linux clearly outnumber the windows:P |
| [21:21:56] | ReikoShea: | you should still be ashamed |
| [21:22:02] | ReikoShea: | ASHAMED |
| [21:22:02] | clever: | and 2 of those windows systems belong to my dad |
| [21:22:18] | Dagmar: | My flash works fine. |
| [21:22:26] | Dagmar: | You guys should read more docs. |
| [21:22:38] | ReikoShea: | my flash just has a problem with layer level |
| [21:22:42] | ReikoShea: | its always at level 0 |
| [21:22:57] | ReikoShea: | so those scroll out ads tend to cover stuff i want to read |
| [21:23:08] | ReikoShea: | like....oooo....making my car payment |
| [21:23:12] | ReikoShea: | i cant click on pay |
| [21:23:18] | ReikoShea: | because there is an add over top of it |
| [21:23:31] | clever: | ReikoShea: i get that all the time, so i just totaly disable flash by moving the libflash.so out of sight |
| [21:23:34] | justinh: | people should stop hating the OS which dominates the world just because it makes them feel inferior |
| [21:23:59] | ReikoShea: | i use the flashblock plugin for firefox now, clever |
| [21:24:06] | ReikoShea: | it just upsets me that i have to do that |
| [21:24:14] | clever: | flash also crashes on ff shutdown if it used audio |
| [21:24:23] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: I would suggest noscript instead |
| [21:24:36] | clever: | ff closes down and never does the final exit() so it sits there eating 200mb of ram and never releasing the lock on the profile |
| [21:24:39] | ReikoShea: | Anusien: whys that? |
| [21:24:53] | ReikoShea: | pkill -9 firefox |
| [21:24:53] | Anusien: | ReikoShea: it stops obnoxxious flash, but also other stuff! |
| [21:25:06] | clever: | i use adblock+ to kill most flash, but it does catch the stuff ahead of time |
| [21:25:06] | Anusien: | I use adblock and noscript on every ff instance! |
| [21:25:08] | ReikoShea: | well this isnt obnoxious flash that bothers me |
| [21:25:17] | kormoc: | adblock plus |
| [21:25:23] | Anusien: | well yeah |
| [21:25:29] | ReikoShea: | its flash that if you click on it, it will move over top of what your doing |
| [21:25:33] | Anusien: | alias adblock='adblock plus' |
| [21:25:34] | justinh: | from now on I SWEAR I will try to be more on topic in this channel. I see now how annoying it is when this happens |
| [21:25:34] | ReikoShea: | but since its layer 0 |
| [21:25:42] | Dagmar: | You know how you can put a stop to this shit? |
| [21:25:44] | ReikoShea: | it stays on top of what i wanted to do |
| [21:25:51] | Dagmar: | STOP SURFING THOSE SHIFTY PORN SITES |
| [21:25:55] | clever: | i'll just stfu:P |
| [21:25:58] | ReikoShea: | CAR PAYMENT |
| [21:26:08] | Anusien: | Your car payment uses flash? |
| [21:26:12] | Anusien: | yuck |
| [21:26:14] | Dagmar: | "Legitimate" websites do *not* have the kind of obnoxious ads you're describing. |
| [21:26:14] | ReikoShea: | they have ads on the side |
| [21:26:19] | ReikoShea: | toyota financial |
| [21:26:22] | kormoc: | justinh, heh... it's like the -users list, too much noise... |
| [21:26:26] | ReikoShea: | want me to take a screen shot |
| [21:26:28] | clever: | car ad's on a car payment site! |
| [21:26:40] | kormoc: | ReikoShea, sure, include your bank account info in the shot please. Thanks! |
| [21:26:47] | ReikoShea: | :) |
| [21:26:49] | ReikoShea: | sure thing |
| [21:26:56] | clever: | pin number is 12345! |
| [21:27:22] | Anusien: | same as my luggage! |
| [21:27:25] | ReikoShea: | damnit |
| [21:27:26] | tjcarter: | That's the code an idiot would have on his luggage |
| [21:27:27] | ReikoShea: | beat me to it |
| [21:27:33] | Anusien: | !! |
| [21:27:41] | justinh: | kormoc: and lately even the -dev list |
| [21:27:50] | justinh: | it's almost enough to turn people to hermits |
| [21:27:53] | clever: | Anusien: set the maid bot to suck! |
| [21:27:57] | justinh: | oh wait, that's linux |
| [21:28:15] | tjcarter: | Mega Maid has gone from suck to blow! |
| [21:28:17] | Anusien: | She's gone from suck to blow! </oblig> |
| [21:28:19] | Anusien: | damnit |
| [21:28:25] | clever: | lol |
| [21:28:37] | Anusien: | Good thing no one actually wwants to talk about mythtv |
| [21:28:55] | clever: | my mythbackend keeps aborting! |
| [21:29:15] | Dagmar: | Buy it condoms. |
| [21:29:19] | clever: | 3 core files atm |
| [21:29:31] | moodboom: | meanwhile, my only problem was an old version of my own experimental plugin – removed that and no more segfault – USER ERROR |
| [21:29:40] | moodboom: | thanks for the help again |
| [21:30:04] | clever: | i had a compile error, related to new ffmpeg headers i installed, easily fixed that myself |
| [21:30:28] | ReikoShea: | afk |
| [21:30:49] | Anusien: | Dagmar: I think everyone else pulled out from that joke |
| [21:31:01] | Dagmar: | Headers he installed. |
| [21:31:11] | Dagmar: | Just that phrase alone seems like it should come wiht a warning sign. |
| [21:31:33] | clever: | wasnt that alone |
| [21:31:38] | clever: | i installed the entire ffmpeg trunk |
| [21:31:49] | clever: | and the new header files it made screwed with the compile |
| [21:31:56] | Dagmar: | There's a reason we say "I took my car to work" instead of "I took my steering wheel to work" |
| [21:32:19] | clever: | i was pointing out what part of it caused the exact problem |
| [21:32:36] | Dagmar: | So you'll pardon me when you do the semantic equivalent of that, my estimation of your competency level plummets. |
| [21:32:59] | justinh: | experimental plugin? |
| [21:33:03] | Dagmar: | So why not blame the individual file instead of all the headers? |
| [21:33:18] | Dagmar: | ...or why not blame the struct itself |
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| [21:33:43] | Anusien: | You should have said "I screwed up on foo.h:23" |
| [21:34:15] | clever: | i forget which file it was |
| [21:34:24] | clever: | and nobody was awake when i pasted the error |
| [21:34:48] | moodboom: | justinh yeah some day i'll write a real one, with a little luck :> |
| [21:36:20] | justinh: | moodboom: I did a little one. now it's not a plugin anymore |
| [21:36:50] | moodboom: | justinh got rolled into mythtv? |
| [21:37:05] | iamlindoro_: | MythTv would be a lot surlier if he had been |
| [21:37:14] | iamlindoro_: | but amusing |
| [21:37:47] | justinh: | moodboom: I er.. rolled it. it almost does what it's intended to do, too |
| [21:37:59] | moodboom: | justinh: which part? |
| [21:38:09] | justinh: | iamlindoro_: lol. NO UPCOMING EPISODES OF AMERICAN IDOL. YOU FAIL |
| [21:38:15] | ** moodboom is a bit clueless at this stage, apologies :P ** | |
| [21:38:52] | justinh: | the screen size wizardy thing. took about 2 weeks of learning first principles by fluke, loads of swearing etc |
| [21:39:07] | clever: | justinh: and it still segfaults my system:P |
| [21:39:12] | Dagmar: | No more episodes of Idol? |
| [21:39:13] | Dagmar: | How is that bad? |
| [21:39:38] | clever: | though i havent recompiled the plugins lately so it might be my fault |
| [21:39:42] | justinh: | Dagmar: I'd do the obligatory mythtaste plugin that you can't opt out of |
| [21:40:08] | justinh: | waf would sink to negative numbers all over the world but hey, good taste comes at a price |
| [21:40:21] | moodboom: | gotta run, thanks again guys |
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| [21:40:53] | justinh: | anyway, the experience didn't put me off at all. whether that is something to be thankful of remains to be seen |
| [21:41:18] | kormoc: | I keep meaning to finish myth sudgest in mythweb |
| [21:41:31] | dustybin: | LOTS of work to do at work :-( |
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| [21:42:30] | justinh: | but first, plenty of themery to fixx04 |
| [21:42:40] | justinh: | tomorrow. for sure |
| [21:42:47] | ** dustybin thinks of everyone at home, nice and relaxed with a laptop on lap and mythtv on in background ** | |
| [21:43:23] | clever: | dustybin: my laptop is hungry for humman body parts now |
| [21:43:32] | clever: | it slammed shut on my nose and fingers today |
| [21:44:08] | dustybin: | :-/ |
| [21:44:19] | clever: | the hinges are now both gone so nothing is holding the lcd up |
| [21:44:40] | clever: | if i look at it sideways the panel comes crashing down on the keyboard and whatever is in the way |
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| [21:49:11] | jams: | how did it get both your nose and fingers |
| [21:49:34] | jams: | maybe i don't want to know |
| [21:49:37] | kormoc: | He's special |
| [21:50:01] | Dagmar: | Like my friend Jenny. |
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| [21:52:57] | jams: | kormoc- not for sure if you saw, but the simple menu graph was generated. |
| [21:53:30] | kormoc: | jams, I didn't see, snazzy |
| [21:53:35] | jams: | http://www.mythvantage.com/e107_plugins/autog . . . enugraph.png |
| [21:54:20] | kormoc: | I see I need to work on that end bit :P |
| [21:55:34] | jams: | most of that is probably pulled in from the default menus |
| [21:55:41] | kormoc: | yeah, it is |
| [21:55:53] | kormoc: | wouldn't be too hard for me to make that a tad cleaner I think |
| [21:56:39] | jams: | feel free to do with the image whatever you wish. |
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| [21:58:37] | kormoc: | if anyone's using the simple theme and has suggestions on improvements, I'd be happy to hear them too |
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| [22:57:23] | darkskiez: | I'm using the latest svn build and when i browse channels and select one it always jumps back to the first channel. |
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| [22:59:30] | wagnerrp: | there is no svn build, only source |
| [22:59:42] | wagnerrp: | also, what do you mean by latest? |
| [22:59:52] | wagnerrp: | did you pull from 0.21, fixes, or trunk? |
| [23:00:12] | darkskiez: | trunk just |
| [23:01:01] | wagnerrp: | look around the trac server to see if theres other mention of that problem |
| [23:01:02] | darkskiez: | wondering if its a known bug really rather than 'must-have-fix-now' kindof thing |
| [23:01:10] | wagnerrp: | if not, write up a ticket |
| [23:01:32] | darkskiez: | coz ive had a myth install for years on and off, wondering if my keybindings are a bit hoo-ha |
| [23:04:31] | darkskiez: | 2008-08–21 00:04:17.950 TV: CommitQueuedInput() livetv(1) qchannum() qchanid(0) |
| [23:06:53] | iamlindoro: | Why are you using trunk? |
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| [23:07:37] | wagnerrp: | generally you would only use trunk if you are aiding development, or if you need support for something only available in trunk |
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| [23:08:53] | darkskiez: | i am using trunk as i have used myth for years and years and always found trunk great, plus BBC HD works for me in trunk. |
| [23:08:58] | massi: | hello guys, i can't get audio to work on mythtv when i watch dvb-t TV – if I use kaffeine audio works |
| [23:09:20] | kormoc: | massi, and the logs say? |
| [23:09:20] | massi: | any tricks? |
| [23:09:44] | massi: | kormoc: actually I dont know where the log is |
| [23:09:53] | iamlindoro: | darkskiez, trunk to this point has always been comparatively safe for daily use, but because of MythUI and QT4 porting, it's not so really at the moment-- I would consider using .21-fixes until it settles a bit |
| [23:10:09] | kormoc: | run the frontend in a terminal window and it dumps to the screen |
| [23:10:25] | kormoc: | or tell it to log to a file (covered in mythfrontend --help I believe) |
| [23:10:28] | darkskiez: | iamlindoro: what database rev is .21-fixes at ? |
| [23:11:05] | darkskiez: | its not gonna blow up if i downgrade? |
| [23:11:36] | kormoc: | it very well can |
| [23:11:56] | darkskiez: | tbh, i dont use myth daily, i find the frontend not suitable for use on a desktop pc, i love its recording and mythweb features tho, brilliant |
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| [23:12:21] | darkskiez: | i considered making a frontend port to kaffeine |
| [23:12:48] | massi: | kormoc: there is wrote a lot of stuff |
| [23:13:56] | massi: | nothing about audio |
| [23:15:09] | kormoc: | you might need to add in -v audio |
| [23:16:07] | darkskiez: | but the kaffeine epg is shocking. |
| [23:16:15] | massi: | mythtv -v ? |
| [23:16:26] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend -v audio |
| [23:16:38] | kormoc: | massi, mythfrontend, you're not running mythtv are you? |
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| [23:16:56] | Dagmar: | darkskiez: That was because the frontend was designed to run on an appliance machine, not a desktop PC. |
| [23:17:29] | massi: | kormoc: i started myyhtv just typing mythtv |
| [23:17:31] | darkskiez: | Dagmar: yes, i know, i'm not criticising it for that, it just isnt designed for what i want. |
| [23:17:47] | darkskiez: | Dagmar: I'd love a fast lightweight desktop frontend |
| [23:18:02] | darkskiez: | with a resizeable window :) |
| [23:18:31] | ** iamlindoro would like a pony ** | |
| [23:18:44] | ** darkskiez would like a pony too ** | |
| [23:18:51] | ** darkskiez also wants the moon on a stick ** | |
| [23:20:05] | massi: | no mythtvfrontend command line |
| [23:20:16] | iamlindoro: | because it's mythfrontend |
| [23:20:33] | iamlindoro: | RIF |
| [23:20:47] | massi: | neither this one |
| [23:21:17] | massi: | ok sorry i found it |
| [23:21:22] | iamlindoro: | That doesn't make any sense, I can't even fathom how you'd end up with the mythtv binary and not the frontend one... so I won't try |
| [23:21:44] | wagnerrp: | it would be a good example of when to go back, and try again |
| [23:22:00] | iamlindoro: | the point kormoc was getting at is you should NEVER run the mythtv binary, and ALWAYS run the mythfrontend binary |
| [23:22:04] | kormoc: | massi, the mythtv binary is more for debugging and not ment to actually be used |
| [23:22:17] | kormoc: | massi, always use the mythfrontend binary |
| [23:22:23] | massi: | sorry I did not know it |
| [23:22:24] | wagnerrp: | of course this all assumes you started up the mythbackend binary as well |
| [23:22:30] | ** iamlindoro hears an echo ;) ** | |
| [23:22:42] | kormoc: | massi, and in the setup in mythfrontend, you'll find the audio setup in there |
| [23:22:48] | massi: | usually I run mythtv by icon on desk |
| [23:23:04] | massi: | kormoc: get it |
| [23:24:58] | Dagmar: | Some things require reading. |
| [23:25:25] | adante (adante!n=adante@203.217.13.211) has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) | |
| [23:25:45] | massi: | audio out is alsa |
| [23:26:26] | massi: | passthougt is LSA:iec958:{ AES0 0x02 } |
| [23:26:36] | massi: | i mean ALSA:iec958:{ AES0 0x02 } |
| [23:26:43] | TomasuDlrrp (TomasuDlrrp!n=moose@S010600016cb89986.ed.shawcable.net) has quit (Remote closed the connection) | |
| [23:26:52] | massi: | upmix is active |
| [23:26:59] | massi: | active simple |
| [23:27:13] | massi: | mixer is alsa:mixer |
| [23:27:23] | massi: | sorry alsa:default |
| [23:27:41] | massi: | next one is "mixer" |
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| [23:27:48] | massi: | pcm |
| [23:29:03] | massi: | i played with these values but i couldnt get it to work |
| [23:30:10] | massi: | when I open "watch tv" i ve got AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 3.0 GB w/freq: 15 min |
| [23:32:25] | Dagmar: | Good for you. |
| [23:33:03] | massi: | what does it mean? |
| [23:33:29] | massi: | mythtvfrontend does not respond any longer |
| [23:34:17] | massi: | change just channel's signal value but it does not move |
| [23:35:13] | massi: | i have to kill it |
| [23:35:59] | Tomasu (Tomasu!n=moose@S010600016cb89986.ed.shawcable.net) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:38:22] | massi: | anyway i m trying to play with --verbose options |
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| [23:47:29] | offset: | Is there some way of having all new videos in mythvideo default to a parental level other than 1? I know you can do it by rating, but most of my videos don't have ratings. |
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