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| [00:41:47] | icanicant: | has anyone experienced no EIT on certain DVB-T radio channels in the UK? BBC radio5 OK, but 1,2,3,4 no data. |
| [00:43:06] | Kernel: | hello all. i just got my backend set up but im having some issues with switching into livetv mode. it appears to connect to the backend fine(its remote backend) but i cannot watch tv. here is the output from mythfrontend : http://pastebin.com/m501093c3 |
| [00:46:58] | mzb_d800: | anyone running EPIA M10000 as frontend? (or combined FE+BE?) |
| [00:47:01] | squish102: | Kernel does it go into live tv on the backend? |
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| [00:47:32] | Kernel: | i dont know. i dont have the frontend installed on the remote backend |
| [00:48:14] | squish102: | I would look at the log on the backend too |
| [00:49:24] | Kernel: | ah i just found a solution on google. you need to set both ips on the backend to the machines lan ip. 127.0.0.1 wont work on the backend |
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| [00:49:58] | squish102: | nope, it wont work |
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| [00:57:21] | Kernel: | is it possible to use irexec to launch mythfrontend on a diff computer? maby through ssh?. |
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| [01:02:39] | mzb_d800: | justinh: I get the impression you used to run an EPIA 10K? |
| [01:03:46] | clever: | QSqlDatabase: QMYSQL3 driver not loaded |
| [01:03:46] | clever: | QSqlDatabase: available drivers: QSQLITE |
| [01:03:47] | clever: | :( |
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| [02:04:02] | leprechau: | brb.... |
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| [02:06:54] | Lexridge: | Damn, I have been plagued with strange mythtv issues lately. First, my cards were switching positions, and now my second card is not accessable from mythtv, but is from everything else. |
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| [02:07:30] | Lexridge: | The cards still show up as being there in mythtv-setup/cards, and setup/input connections. |
| [02:08:04] | Lexridge: | Any ideas? |
| [02:10:37] | Shadow__X: | make sure each card is being setup correctly |
| [02:10:57] | Shadow__X: | since they have moved you have to move their orientation in myth setup |
| [02:11:12] | Lexridge: | dmesg shows both cards being set up correctly, and both work with vlc |
| [02:11:32] | Shadow__X: | i said in mythtv setup |
| [02:12:14] | Lexridge: | yes, the cards are assigned correctly. card0 is an hvr1600 (matches dmesg) and card1 is a pvr150 (also matches dmesg). |
| [02:12:50] | Shadow__X: | oh geez |
| [02:13:04] | Shadow__X: | dude is the digital side of the 1600 working right |
| [02:13:11] | Shadow__X: | but analog of those 2 cards not working |
| [02:14:10] | Lexridge: | I don't currently have access to any digital ATM, but the digital turner in QAM does pick up an occassional audio station. |
| [02:14:52] | Shadow__X: | alright well for me the 1600 creates 3 devices video0 video 24 and video32 i have to choose video0 |
| [02:15:03] | Lexridge: | correct....same here. |
| [02:15:17] | Shadow__X: | makesure its setup corresponding to that in mythtv setup |
| [02:15:19] | Shadow__X: | because if not |
| [02:15:22] | Lexridge: | The 1600 is being recognized by mythtv. It is the 150 that is not being found. |
| [02:15:40] | Shadow__X: | right makesure the mpeg encoders are on the right ones |
| [02:15:57] | Shadow__X: | go in mythtv setup and makesure the video devices are the right ones |
| [02:15:59] | hadees: | if rip my movies at 1080p how will they look playing them through mplayer or xine on a screen that can only display 720p via VGA |
| [02:16:01] | Shadow__X: | it may of moved |
| [02:16:14] | Shadow__X: | like 720p |
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| [02:16:38] | hadees: | Shadow__X, but will it look worse then something ripped at 720p |
| [02:16:46] | Shadow__X: | it shouldnt |
| [02:16:53] | Shadow__X: | test |
| [02:16:56] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [02:17:06] | Lexridge: | I'll try swapping them in "cards setup" just for the heck of it. |
| [02:17:26] | Shadow__X: | yeah Lexridge that should fix your issue |
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| [02:17:36] | Lexridge: | thanks shadow |
| [02:18:21] | Lexridge: | hadees: when ripping from 720p to 720p then playing back on a 720p monitor, it should look great. However, if you re-encode the material first, you will lose something. |
| [02:19:37] | Shadow__X: | Lexridge, did that fix it |
| [02:20:06] | Lexridge: | shadow: rebooting the backend now. Just to make sure it's all "clean" :) |
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| [02:21:05] | Lexridge: | huh! Now it's the opposite. I have the 150 card and not the 1600. Humm! |
| [02:21:25] | Lexridge: | I'm guessing my database may be corrupted. |
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| [02:21:26] | Shadow__X: | dude then its in the c ard setup |
| [02:21:28] | Shadow__X: | no |
| [02:21:33] | Shadow__X: | its in the card setup |
| [02:21:43] | Kernel: | hmm my my backend when i do irw to test my remote...all the buttons work. but when i open mythfrontend on my frontend machine......the buttons dont work in mythtv. |
| [02:21:47] | Shadow__X: | make sure you are selecting the right ones |
| [02:22:01] | Shadow__X: | Kernel, are they the same machine |
| [02:22:06] | Kernel: | Shadow__X: no |
| [02:22:10] | Shadow__X: | the remote needs to be on the frontend |
| [02:22:18] | Shadow__X: | does no one read the docs anymore |
| [02:22:21] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [02:22:22] | Kernel: | your shittying me? |
| [02:22:30] | Shadow__X: | no |
| [02:22:40] | Lexridge: | shadow: I'm pretty sure I have the right ones, and........SHIT....I just figured out what is going on.......DOH DOH DOOOOH!! |
| [02:23:01] | Shadow__X: | what is it |
| [02:23:06] | Lexridge: | I'm not sure I even want to admit it....LOL |
| [02:23:14] | Kernel: | unreal. today was the biggest waste ever. |
| [02:23:25] | Kernel: | :( |
| [02:24:03] | Lexridge: | For some reason, a random (apparently) card enters record mode when mythbackend starts. |
| [02:24:16] | Lexridge: | thus, making the card inaccessable. |
| [02:24:50] | Kernel: | welp time to go undo a days worth of work. :( |
| [02:25:03] | Lexridge: | wow, do I feel stupid. :D |
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| [02:25:12] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [02:25:19] | Shadow__X: | so thats the issue |
| [02:25:45] | Lexridge: | Apparently, because card 0 is now in record mode. I'm somewhat surprised that I cannot watch it while it records however. |
| [02:26:12] | Shadow__X: | you should be able to unless you setup the frontend to use the best card and to no bother the card that is recording |
| [02:26:14] | Shadow__X: | :D |
| [02:26:15] | Lexridge: | Recording must have an exclusive lock |
| [02:26:20] | Shadow__X: | there are options for that |
| [02:26:32] | Lexridge: | Perhaps that is what is happening then. |
| [02:26:41] | Lexridge: | Is that in setup or frontend? |
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| [02:27:06] | Shadow__X: | frontend |
| [02:28:10] | Shadow__X: | hmm anyone prefer rythmbox over amarok? |
| [02:29:02] | Lexridge: | "Aviod conflicts between live tv and schedules shows"....maybe? |
| [02:29:14] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [02:29:20] | Lexridge: | Shadow: I love amarok, but have never tried rythmbox. |
| [02:29:21] | Shadow__X: | thats what i have on |
| [02:29:24] | Lexridge: | okay |
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| [02:29:46] | Shadow__X: | hmm i dont know i like simplicity and me being easily able to see my music type in the artist and going |
| [02:29:53] | Shadow__X: | amarok seems to bulky to me |
| [02:29:57] | Lexridge: | I'm also turning on "allow live tv to move scheduled shows" |
| [02:30:06] | Shadow__X: | and rythmbox seems direct |
| [02:30:12] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [02:30:18] | Shadow__X: | i have that one |
| [02:30:24] | Shadow__X: | ioff |
| [02:30:33] | Shadow__X: | i like to keep my scheduling shows |
| [02:30:36] | Shadow__X: | i need more tuners |
| [02:30:38] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [02:30:40] | Lexridge: | I like Amarok because of the postgreSQL usage. |
| [02:31:07] | Lexridge: | I think this may just automatically switch tuners for recording, allowing me to continue watching the tuner I'm on. |
| [02:31:08] | Shadow__X: | i am pretty sure rythmbox uses sqlite |
| [02:31:12] | Shadow__X: | but you can use any sql |
| [02:31:20] | Shadow__X: | hmm dont know |
| [02:31:30] | Shadow__X: | but i have a 1600 and a 1800 right now |
| [02:31:34] | Shadow__X: | and want a 2250 |
| [02:31:47] | Lexridge: | I'll try it and see. |
| [02:31:51] | Shadow__X: | alright |
| [02:31:53] | Shadow__X: | let me know |
| [02:31:54] | Lexridge: | I'd like an HDHomerun myself |
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| [02:32:12] | Shadow__X: | but a 2250 has 2 qam tuners and 2 analog tuners for the same price |
| [02:32:16] | Shadow__X: | how can you beat that |
| [02:32:24] | ** J-e-f-f-A just bought a HDHomerun... on sale at micro center until Saturday IIRC... ** | |
| [02:32:37] | Shadow__X: | how much |
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| [02:32:54] | Lexridge: | Shadow: Wow, I didn't realize that. |
| [02:33:18] | Shadow__X: | yeah exactly i have mkrufky and iamlindoro to thank for that eye opener |
| [02:33:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | $159.99 |
| [02:33:48] | mkrufky: | hi |
| [02:33:49] | Shadow__X: | not bad |
| [02:33:58] | mkrufky: | it wont have linux support right away |
| [02:34:03] | mkrufky: | but somebody is working on it |
| [02:34:04] | Shadow__X: | hi mkrufky |
| [02:34:07] | Lexridge: | uh, not on a "watch TV" command, it is telling my "All Tuners are Busy. Select a Current Recording" |
| [02:34:08] | mkrufky: | eventually will be supported |
| [02:34:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and no shipping, since I live ~20 miles from one... ;-) |
| [02:34:12] | Shadow__X: | that would be freaking awesom |
| [02:34:28] | Lexridge: | uh, NOW on a "watch TV" command, it is telling my "All Tuners are Busy. Select a Current Recording" |
| [02:34:55] | Lexridge: | checking the mythweb status on this. |
| [02:35:34] | Shadow__X: | newegg has the hd homerun on sale for 140 |
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| [02:35:46] | Shadow__X: | free shipping |
| [02:35:49] | Lexridge: | the second try worked. nm |
| [02:36:06] | Shadow__X: | sometimes you have to force it in Lexridge ;) |
| [02:36:15] | Lexridge: | shadow: Apparently :) |
| [02:36:30] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [02:36:41] | Lexridge: | I think my wife said the same thing earlier. :p |
| [02:36:41] | Shadow__X: | http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemail/Aug-0-20 . . . -_-E0F-_-HAP |
| [02:37:03] | Lexridge: | cool |
| [02:37:04] | Shadow__X: | heh now now |
| [02:37:49] | Lexridge: | lol, sorry, that was a gimme. |
| [02:38:02] | Shadow__X: | yeah yeah |
| [02:38:30] | Shadow__X: | hmm what does a hd trancode normally go at |
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| [02:38:51] | Lexridge: | hardware transcoder? |
| [02:38:56] | Shadow__X: | on my dual core amd 2 are running at about 16fps transcoding into mpeg 4 |
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| [02:39:10] | Shadow__X: | is that slow or fast |
| [02:39:14] | Shadow__X: | or acceptable |
| [02:39:23] | Shadow__X: | i am trying to gauge the power of this little cpu |
| [02:39:33] | PatrickDK: | depends on the settings you used |
| [02:40:12] | PatrickDK: | my 2.8ghz dualcore gets 1/12 frame to the second |
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| [02:40:26] | PatrickDK: | but then I'm using insane quality settings |
| [02:40:33] | Lexridge: | I've got some HD/SD files that I cannot play well under Linux, or Windows for that matter without specific hardware. Namely a Stradis card. The MPEG streams are also using a SMPTE302M audio stream (AES) which nothing can read. |
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| [02:40:53] | Shadow__X: | 2200 bitrate maxium quality 2 min 15 max qual difff betwen fram 3 scale bitrate for frame size and only 1 thread |
| [02:41:27] | PatrickDK: | there is no max quality setting |
| [02:41:31] | Shadow__X: | PatrickDK, what dual core and come on man |
| [02:41:42] | PatrickDK: | intel |
| [02:41:43] | Shadow__X: | in the transcoder menu there is |
| [02:41:49] | Shadow__X: | pentium d or c2d |
| [02:41:50] | PatrickDK: | I don't use that, I'm using ffmpeg |
| [02:41:55] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [02:42:33] | PatrickDK: | when I say insane, I mean more than max quality, I mean so much quality most of it is not even used |
| [02:42:42] | Shadow__X: | oh |
| [02:42:54] | Shadow__X: | so then how much hd space do you have |
| [02:42:56] | PatrickDK: | why use 8bit procession when you can use 10 or 12bit? |
| [02:43:09] | PatrickDK: | I still encode it to 2mb or 3mb depending on what it is |
| [02:43:10] | Shadow__X: | because you can? |
| [02:43:13] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [02:43:26] | PatrickDK: | I would rather waste cpu cycles to do it the best I can |
| [02:43:33] | PatrickDK: | then later, dump it and redo it :) |
| [02:43:52] | Shadow__X: | ah yes of course |
| [02:43:58] | Shadow__X: | thats not a waste |
| [02:44:23] | PatrickDK: | I'm also using 1/4 pixel motion estemation |
| [02:44:33] | PatrickDK: | I think that is what is really slowing it down |
| [02:44:53] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [02:45:23] | Shadow__X: | i am thinking that when i build another backend it might have a quad in it |
| [02:45:45] | PatrickDK: | heh, I haven't bothered yet |
| [02:45:52] | PatrickDK: | I just use the frontends to do it |
| [02:45:55] | Shadow__X: | ah |
| [02:46:01] | PatrickDK: | when they aren't busy, just run ffmpeg with nice :) |
| [02:46:03] | Shadow__X: | currently i really only have 1 fe |
| [02:46:10] | PatrickDK: | I have 4 |
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| [02:56:31] | michaelo: | Does anyone know if there is an easy way to tell the backend not to schedule jobs for a certain time period in order to create a maintenance window? |
| [03:00:04] | GreyFoxx: | I'm not sure why you would need to do that? As soon as the backend is down no recordings would be made, when it comes back on it will run through all schedules and do the right thing |
| [03:02:30] | Shadow__X: | its even intelligent enough to know if you take it down while recording that when it comes back it will start recording again |
| [03:02:45] | michaelo: | I realize that but I would like to schedule ahead of time so I don't end up taking it down in the middle of recording and then having to delete the partial |
| [03:03:07] | Shadow__X: | look at upcoming recordings |
| [03:03:15] | Shadow__X: | how much maintenance do you think it needs |
| [03:03:17] | GreyFoxx: | yeah just look at upcoming recordings |
| [03:03:23] | Dagmar: | You're coordinating with someone? |
| [03:03:40] | GreyFoxx: | you surely can remember not to schedule something for "friday at 10pm" or whatever you choose :) |
| [03:03:52] | Dagmar: | I mean, pardon me for pointing this out, but you really should be able to tell if you've scheduled something at a given time about four or five different ways |
| [03:04:18] | wagnerrp: | PatrickDK: is this SD or HD video that it runs so slow on? |
| [03:04:21] | Dagmar: | Being that I'm sitting here debugging a change management ticketing system in another window, this seems a bit silly. |
| [03:04:24] | michaelo: | Usually look in mythweb an find a time that will be good but with multiple tuners sometimes that is hard |
| [03:04:57] | Shadow__X: | Dagmar, go back we got this :) |
| [03:05:07] | Shadow__X: | not worth you getting mad imho |
| [03:05:45] | Dagmar: | I seldom get mad |
| [03:05:49] | PatrickDK: | wagnerrp, sd, most ripped from dvd's |
| [03:05:58] | michaelo: | Plenty of other things to worry about fixing first but I can see how this would be useful |
| [03:06:20] | wagnerrp: | i cant imagine you running any settings that makes it that slow |
| [03:06:37] | PatrickDK: | mainly, cause I can |
| [03:07:04] | wagnerrp: | under windows, my old 1.8GHz opteron, everything i could possibly turn on with x264, and DVD rips, it would still run 2–4fps |
| [03:07:05] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, are my speeds normal |
| [03:07:17] | Dagmar: | michaelo: How? |
| [03:07:51] | Dagmar: | There's an "upcoming recordings" thing, as well as the server status page shows whether or not tuners are in use, as well as when the next recording for that tuner is going to be |
| [03:07:57] | Shadow__X: | michaelo, aslong as you iron out issues before its a production box and you never touch it there shouldnt be too many issues |
| [03:08:27] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: on a 3GHz C2D, uncropped DVD video, i usually get ~40fps first pass, and 10–15fps second pass |
| [03:08:47] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [03:08:51] | Shadow__X: | i am doing hd |
| [03:08:59] | Shadow__X: | mpeg2 to mpeg4 |
| [03:09:13] | Shadow__X: | and am getting around 16 fps on each core |
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| [03:09:37] | Shadow__X: | i am just wondering if going to say a c2d like yours would maybe bring me to 20 or maybe even 30 fps range |
| [03:09:40] | wagnerrp: | 16fps single threaded? |
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| [03:09:48] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
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| [03:09:56] | wagnerrp: | so this is xvid then? |
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| [03:10:10] | Shadow__X: | uh its the transcoder within mythtv |
| [03:10:12] | michaelo: | Things are running smooth here so here. In fact its running so well that I see that I will have to bring it down at some point to add harddrives |
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| [03:10:36] | wagnerrp: | so this is just MPEG4 Part 2 standard |
| [03:10:41] | wagnerrp: | ASP |
| [03:11:06] | Shadow__X: | uh i am not sure to be honest how do i know if its part 2 standard asp |
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| [03:12:27] | wagnerrp: | i could see 15fps being a reasonable speed for that |
| [03:13:41] | Shadow__X: | ah alright |
| [03:13:51] | wagnerrp: | divx encoding is usually ~2x realtime |
| [03:13:53] | Shadow__X: | could a c2d give me double that or something similar |
| [03:13:59] | wagnerrp: | at 480p |
| [03:14:24] | wagnerrp: | 720p is roughly 4x the information, so 1/2 realtime seems good |
| [03:15:16] | wagnerrp: | it all depends on the processor speed, how fast is your dual core amd? |
| [03:17:13] | wagnerrp: | figure a core2 will be roughly 20% faster per clock speed |
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| [03:18:08] | Shadow__X: | ah alright |
| [03:19:24] | Shadow__X: | my amd is 2.3 ghz |
| [03:19:34] | Shadow__X: | but its the le 45 watt one |
| [03:19:37] | Shadow__X: | so its slower |
| [03:19:51] | wagnerrp: | so my core2 would probably be about 50% faster |
| [03:19:57] | wagnerrp: | but would use an assload more power |
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| [03:20:39] | wagnerrp: | best to just wait and hope for the ffmpeg multithreading enhancements |
| [03:21:54] | Shadow__X: | ah yeah |
| [03:22:02] | Shadow__X: | but a c2d is only 65 watt more |
| [03:22:07] | Shadow__X: | and if its way faster |
| [03:22:10] | Shadow__X: | then kinda worth it |
| [03:22:21] | wagnerrp: | TDP is not power usage |
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| [03:22:49] | wagnerrp: | TDP is just the peak usage for that family of processors |
| [03:23:16] | f4hy: | Hey I was wondering where I can find information for trouble shooting, i just did a plain install off the cd but have some issues |
| [03:23:34] | wagnerrp: | 'off the cd'... |
| [03:23:38] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has a cd? |
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| [03:24:18] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [03:24:27] | Shadow__X: | so how much power than wagnerrp |
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| [03:24:36] | Shadow__X: | you scared him away |
| [03:24:47] | iamlindoro_: | It does if you got it with one of the Myth books, or, I suppose, if you mean one of the distro ISOs |
| [03:25:26] | Kernel: | bah i now have both front/backend on this machine but it wont connect to the database. i think its using information from the last database. how can i purge everything in the database? i can loginto the mysqld as root..but i dont know how to use mysqld..or what i need to rease |
| [03:25:39] | wagnerrp: | well that 45W value is the peak power consumption for the 2.5 or 2.7GHz AMD |
| [03:25:56] | wagnerrp: | since it scales linearly, youre not likely to see over 40W |
| [03:26:04] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [03:26:28] | wagnerrp: | where that 3GHz is the top of the line, so its using the full 65W under load |
| [03:26:39] | Shadow__X: | hmm yeah |
| [03:26:54] | wagnerrp: | of course since its overclocked, and slightly overvolted, from 2.2GHz, mine is probably peaking closer to 70–75W |
| [03:27:36] | Shadow__X: | i have gotten 50 watts at the wall using killo watt |
| [03:27:44] | Shadow__X: | yeah wagnerrp ocing it doesnt help |
| [03:27:56] | wagnerrp: | thats pretty impressive |
| [03:28:04] | Shadow__X: | yeah i agree |
| [03:28:10] | wagnerrp: | considering that includes video card and chipset idling |
| [03:28:15] | Shadow__X: | mhm |
| [03:28:22] | Shadow__X: | its a integrated video card |
| [03:28:26] | Shadow__X: | 6150 |
| [03:28:29] | Shadow__X: | but still |
| [03:28:34] | Shadow__X: | yeah its pretty good |
| [03:28:36] | wagnerrp: | plus probably 65–70% efficiency on the power supply at that low load |
| [03:28:46] | Shadow__X: | 80 percent |
| [03:28:58] | Shadow__X: | i got a earthwatts psu |
| [03:29:05] | wagnerrp: | you only get that efficiency near peak load |
| [03:29:15] | Shadow__X: | i purposely wanted a very efficient machine |
| [03:29:16] | Shadow__X: | oh ok |
| [03:29:30] | wagnerrp: | what wattage? |
| [03:29:36] | Shadow__X: | i guess it being 380 watt isnt helping me |
| [03:30:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that PSU is probably running around 70% at that load |
| [03:30:16] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [03:30:21] | wagnerrp: | of course its hard to find a low power PSU thats of any decent efficiency |
| [03:30:22] | Shadow__X: | i couldnt find a lower earthwatts |
| [03:30:26] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [03:30:48] | wagnerrp: | so a cheap ass 180W would probably still be less efficient at that output |
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| [03:31:01] | Shadow__X: | eh i am not winnning |
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| [03:35:58] | Kernel: | bah i now have both front/backend on this machine but it wont connect to the database. i think its using information from the last database. how can i purge everything in the database? i can loginto the mysqld as root..but i dont know how to use mysqld..or what i need to rease |
| [03:36:16] | Kernel: | *erase |
| [03:37:05] | wagnerrp: | if it wont connect to the database, its obviously not using information from the database |
| [03:38:34] | Shadow__X: | i am tired of people thinking their p4's and p3 systems are valued more than 20 dollars |
| [03:38:44] | Shadow__X: | on craigslist that is |
| [03:39:09] | wagnerrp: | its still a fully functional machine |
| [03:39:26] | Shadow__X: | thats worth what compared to curent marked value |
| [03:39:44] | Kernel: | bah. well i dont know then. it wont connect to the mysqld i did this: mysql -u root -p < /usr/share/mythtv/sql/mc.sql got no error..but i cannot get it to work |
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| [03:40:08] | wagnerrp: | Kernel: you have the config files set up so that it knows how to connect to the database? |
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| [03:40:55] | Kernel: | wagnerrp: yea. heres an example http://pastebin.com/m57233475 |
| [03:41:04] | clever: | ugh |
| [03:41:09] | clever: | my upgrade went horidly wrong |
| [03:41:17] | Kernel: | i can login as root on mysqld |
| [03:41:55] | wagnerrp: | you can log in as root... can you log in as mythtv? |
| [03:42:17] | wagnerrp: | because the backend cant seem to |
| [03:42:33] | wagnerrp: | it finds the database server, but it doesnt have permissions to log in |
| [03:42:56] | Kernel: | mysql -u mythtv |
| [03:42:56] | Kernel: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
| [03:43:15] | wagnerrp: | you need a password to log in (append '-p') |
| [03:43:16] | clever: | your missing a -p |
| [03:43:19] | Kernel: | if i add -p i dont know the pasword |
| [03:43:26] | clever: | read mysql.txt |
| [03:43:42] | wagnerrp: | default password is 'mythtv' |
| [03:43:52] | Kernel: | omg |
| [03:43:55] | Kernel: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [03:44:15] | clever: | fuck |
| [03:44:20] | clever: | dhcp keeps screwing with my card |
| [03:44:51] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [03:44:59] | Kernel: | wagnerrp: when trying to change the password with this: UPDATE mythtv SET Password = PASSWORD('PASS'); |
| [03:45:03] | Kernel: | i get this: |
| [03:45:12] | wagnerrp: | thats not a valid command |
| [03:45:16] | Kernel: | ERROR 1046 (3D000): No database selected |
| [03:45:21] | Kernel: | its not? |
| [03:45:27] | wagnerrp: | not by a long shot |
| [03:45:51] | Kernel: | hmm |
| [03:47:49] | wagnerrp: | well the best way to fix these things should be to get a manager program, or learn sql |
| [03:48:11] | Kernel: | hmm even trying it this way gives the same error: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:MySQL |
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| [03:48:57] | Kernel: | i logged in as root and tried the commands they give |
| [03:49:09] | Kernel: | UPDATE user SET Password=PASSWORD('mythtv') WHERE user='mythtv'; |
| [03:49:19] | Kernel: | it gives the same error as before |
| [03:49:29] | clever: | you need to 'use mysql;' first |
| [03:49:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [03:49:56] | wagnerrp: | or use the table mysql.user, instead of just user |
| [03:50:16] | wagnerrp: | you have to 'use' a database first |
| [03:50:20] | Kernel: | hmm ok. that makes sense....sorry...i really dont know much about mysql |
| [03:50:23] | wagnerrp: | the passwords are stored in the mysql database |
| [03:50:29] | clever: | ugh |
| [03:50:33] | clever: | dbus is screwed |
| [03:50:42] | clever: | everything is screwed |
| [03:50:45] | wagnerrp: | that command will work, if a mythtv user already exists |
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| [03:51:00] | wagnerrp: | however its best not to mess around with it if you dont know what youre doing |
| [03:51:07] | iamlindoro_: | Yeee! The bionic commando remake is out, fun! |
| [03:51:27] | wagnerrp: | for both systems? |
| [03:51:42] | iamlindoro_: | PC |
| [03:52:04] | wagnerrp: | oh, youre not talking about Rearmed |
| [03:52:13] | iamlindoro_: | yes, I am |
| [03:52:33] | wagnerrp: | oh, i didnt realize they were releasing it on PC |
| [03:52:38] | iamlindoro_: | yup |
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| [03:52:57] | wagnerrp: | ill have to put some cash on my playstation account |
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| [03:53:29] | iamlindoro_: | hmm, looks like the PS3 and 360 versions are out too |
| [03:53:49] | wagnerrp: | unless you live in europe.... poor bastards |
| [03:54:49] | Shadow__X: | i like ut3 on ps3 moar better |
| [03:54:55] | Shadow__X: | keyboard and mouse support |
| [03:54:56] | Shadow__X: | but |
| [03:55:02] | iamlindoro_: | that's because you are a philistine |
| [03:55:08] | Shadow__X: | just play it on pc at that point |
| [03:55:11] | Kernel: | still not really working. it does the command without error. but when i exit and try to relogin...it wont let me |
| [03:55:21] | Shadow__X: | thanks iamlindoro_ |
| [03:55:21] | Kernel: | ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| [03:55:51] | iamlindoro_: | It's not a real game if it doesn't have an option to USE rubber chicken w/ pulley ON wire |
| [03:55:55] | wagnerrp: | did that command match any rows? |
| [03:56:21] | Shadow__X: | wha |
| [03:56:51] | wagnerrp: | anyway, try "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv'" |
| [03:57:23] | Kernel: | ok. im gonna try this once more. |
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| [03:59:04] | Kernel: | w00t i got it |
| [04:00:08] | Kernel: | thanks for the help guys. i appreciate it |
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| [04:01:45] | clever: | ugh |
| [04:01:50] | clever: | my lirc_serial wont load anymore |
| [04:03:04] | wagnerrp: | weee! love them upgrades |
| [04:03:43] | clever: | wagnerrp: the system can bearly boot even:P |
| [04:03:49] | clever: | the network init just locks up |
| [04:04:02] | clever: | and when i kill that the boot resumes with / mounted read only |
| [04:04:05] | clever: | which screws with every service:P |
| [04:05:01] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i network boot everything |
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| [04:05:08] | wagnerrp: | so if anything is fubared, i just dont boot |
| [04:05:18] | clever: | this is normal boot with static ip config |
| [04:05:33] | wagnerrp: | luckily that also means i can set up boot images |
| [04:05:51] | wagnerrp: | snapshot one installation, and recover if need be |
| [04:05:52] | clever: | i havent even started the updates on my netboot system |
| [04:05:59] | clever: | but i should do that |
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| [04:08:20] | clever: | uhhh |
| [04:08:27] | clever: | lirc_serial is loaded but the channels arent changing |
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| [04:13:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: got any ideas? |
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| [04:15:36] | wagnerrp: | none |
| [04:15:40] | wagnerrp: | never used a blaster |
| [04:15:47] | clever: | i can see the ir light with my cell camera |
| [04:15:55] | clever: | but its alot dimmer then the remote for the stereo |
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| [04:26:25] | clever: | shit |
| [04:26:27] | clever: | swap wasnt on |
| [04:26:54] | wagnerrp: | you need swap? how much memory is on that machine? |
| [04:27:08] | clever: | 512mb |
| [04:27:18] | wagnerrp: | ah, understandable |
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| [04:27:33] | clever: | it went into a oom death spiral |
| [04:27:47] | clever: | had to kill everything |
| [04:28:52] | wagnerrp: | better than getting anomalous errors because youre low on memeory and the programs youre running dont handle that well |
| [04:29:14] | clever: | i tried to oom kill the fat guy but it didnt work |
| [04:29:37] | wagnerrp: | you didnt say the magic word |
| [04:29:55] | clever: | i was using the magic sysrq key combo:P |
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| [04:30:10] | wagnerrp: | dinosaurs |
| [04:30:26] | wagnerrp: | they kill the fat guy very easily |
| [04:30:34] | clever: | lol |
| [04:30:46] | clever: | its alt+printscreen+m |
| [04:31:08] | clever: | i also need to fix booting |
| [04:31:21] | wagnerrp: | never heard of it, to be honest |
| [04:31:50] | wagnerrp: | thats a pretty nasty combo, youre not going to be doing that by accident |
| [04:32:02] | clever: | theres worse combos |
| [04:32:08] | clever: | alt+printscreen+o |
| [04:32:15] | clever: | instantly cuts all power to the system:P |
| [04:32:21] | wagnerrp: | that one is easier to do |
| [04:32:29] | clever: | its still 3 keys! |
| [04:32:32] | wagnerrp: | although the first one can barely be done by one of my hands |
| [04:32:53] | wagnerrp: | the second one can be done without stretching |
| [04:33:11] | clever: | i can reach both on my laptop without any problem |
| [04:40:31] | Kernel: | hmm im now having issues with mythbackend not running. it starts...then dies right after. i see for some reason its trying to connect to another machines ip...but ive checked under mythv-settings like 5 times...and all the ips i see are 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:40:55] | clever: | theres also ip setup in mythfrontend under general |
| [04:41:34] | Kernel: | http://pastebin.com/m6c7e351 |
| [04:41:40] | Kernel: | that one is also 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:41:53] | clever: | theres 2 main ones, master backend, and THIS backend ip |
| [04:42:26] | Kernel: | right. both are 127.0.0.01 |
| [04:42:28] | Kernel: | err |
| [04:42:32] | Kernel: | 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:43:20] | clever: | i cant view pastebin yet |
| [04:43:25] | clever: | my firefox is still uninstalled |
| [04:43:42] | Kernel: | ah ok |
| [04:43:58] | Kernel: | want me to paste like 4 lines in here? |
| [04:44:08] | Kernel: | its trying to connect to 192.168.5.50 |
| [04:44:22] | Kernel: | but that ip is not set anywhere i can see |
| [04:44:47] | clever: | i can explain how to scan the whole db |
| [04:44:58] | Kernel: | wait |
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| [04:45:12] | clever: | select * from settings where data='192.168.1.60'; |
| [04:45:22] | Kernel: | i manually just peeked in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt and it had that ip set. |
| [04:45:30] | clever: | ahh |
| [04:45:50] | Kernel: | it wasnt getting changed through mythtv-setup or mythfrontend |
| [04:46:08] | clever: | mythfrontend should be changing that but you may lack write access to the file |
| [04:47:33] | Kernel: | ah. it works now that ive changed it manually... |
| [04:47:51] | clever: | ahh i see why im at 100% iowait |
| [04:48:00] | clever: | mysql is running a check on a 4gig table... |
| [04:51:49] | Kernel: | hehe. i had mysqld_safe or w/e use us 99% cpu on both cores |
| [04:51:56] | Kernel: | had to manually kill them myself |
| [04:52:22] | clever: | bbl |
| [04:53:21] | Kernel: | k. im off to bed. thanks for ya help =) |
| [04:54:54] | Shadow__X: | hey Kernel is the remote working |
| [04:54:56] | Shadow__X: | ;) |
| [04:55:39] | Kernel: | lol...u dont even know. |
| [04:55:46] | Shadow__X: | thats why i am asking |
| [04:56:00] | Shadow__X: | ;P |
| [04:56:07] | Kernel: | it is working..on a whole diff computer...with a whole new install of mythtv.....with a re REwired cable |
| [04:56:19] | Shadow__X: | heh |
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| [04:59:31] | wagnerrp: | thats one hell of a table |
| [05:01:00] | clever: | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 2.5G 2008-08–15 01:20 /media/earth/countryhistory.MYD |
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| [05:01:03] | clever: | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 2.1G 2008-08–15 01:21 /media/earth/countryhistory.MYI |
| [05:01:09] | clever: | wagnerrp: yes, one mother of a table |
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| [05:03:04] | Shadow__X: | hmm audio on one of my front ends isnt working |
| [05:04:03] | clever: | Shadow__X: you ever used lirc on ubuntu 8.04? |
| [05:04:45] | Shadow__X: | yeah and i got audio back |
| [05:04:52] | Shadow__X: | well mythbuntu 8.04 |
| [05:04:54] | Shadow__X: | mce remote |
| [05:05:02] | clever: | Shadow__X: sounds close enougn, but wrong device:( |
| [05:05:09] | Shadow__X: | aww |
| [05:05:12] | Shadow__X: | sowy |
| [05:05:13] | clever: | i cant get either lirc device to work now |
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| [05:13:37] | Shadow__X: | damn shitty cabling |
| [05:16:34] | clever: | the only cabling problems i have is the clip getting broken on ethernets |
| [05:16:57] | clever: | and most of the time its a 20foot cable that takes 5 hours to replace |
| [05:17:02] | Shadow__X: | i have coax issues |
| [05:17:58] | clever: | my coax is pretty problem free, except when you consider the thing is carrying some current thru the sheild |
| [05:19:39] | Shadow__X: | well |
| [05:19:45] | Shadow__X: | i have about 5db coming in |
| [05:19:54] | Shadow__X: | its way too weak |
| [05:20:19] | clever: | i dont even know what my Db level is but it works fine |
| [05:20:46] | Shadow__X: | how many splitters |
| [05:21:22] | clever: | about 3 in a row until you reach my STB |
| [05:21:54] | clever: | and the stb is now useless since my ir blaster stoped working |
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| [05:22:04] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [05:22:09] | Shadow__X: | seems strong signal |
| [05:23:31] | clever: | lets see if i can fix firefox now |
| [05:24:30] | clever: | whoa |
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| [05:25:08] | NoRemorse: | hello |
| [05:25:18] | NoRemorse: | what is the best channel to discuss commercial pvr ? |
| [05:25:50] | clever: | firefox is totaly different |
| [05:26:48] | Shadow__X: | eh i have to buy an amp |
| [05:26:59] | NoRemorse: | I have a new panasonic pvr, and the manual says it uses gnu public software, recon it would be running linux? |
| [05:27:26] | Shadow__X: | not the right chan NoRemorse but i have no idea whats the right channel |
| [05:27:35] | Shadow__X: | you should check out google and see there |
| [05:27:41] | NoRemorse: | it got me here hehe |
| [05:27:50] | wagnerrp: | if it is running GPL software, they have to make the source to said software readily available |
| [05:27:56] | wagnerrp: | call them up and find out |
| [05:28:18] | NoRemorse: | thats not a silly idea, ty |
| [05:29:59] | NoRemorse: | it has an eth port, would be great if I could hack into it. |
| [05:30:15] | NoRemorse: | stream using vlc hopefully |
| [05:31:00] | wagnerrp: | well if youre lucky, the PVR functions as a upnp server, and you can use it with VLC right now |
| [05:32:32] | NoRemorse: | the only thing the manual says the eth port is good for us f/w updates |
| [05:32:57] | NoRemorse: | on that topic, how do you read from a upnp server with vlc? |
| [05:33:04] | NoRemorse: | I am running one on my nas thats all |
| [05:34:32] | wagnerrp: | supposedly, theres some cyberlink upnp plugin |
| [05:34:38] | wagnerrp: | but ive never figured out where to get it from |
| [05:35:17] | NoRemorse: | k ty |
| [05:37:41] | clever: | 2008-08–15 02:37:12.611 AFD Error: Unknown decoding error |
| [05:37:43] | clever: | 2008-08–15 02:37:15.322 [mpeg2video @ 0xb7250548]current_picture not initialized |
| [05:37:47] | clever: | ugh! |
| [05:38:17] | NoRemorse: | vlc has daap/sap discovery, but where do you see the server? |
| [05:38:19] | clever: | everything is breaking |
| [05:39:17] | clever: | even mplayer |
| [05:40:22] | NoRemorse: | mplayer is broken. |
| [05:40:24] | NoRemorse: | . |
| [05:40:48] | clever: | i cant even watch 5mins of a mkv now without it crashing |
| [05:41:09] | NoRemorse: | what u streaming with? |
| [05:41:18] | clever: | not streaming at all |
| [05:41:21] | clever: | local file on ext3 |
| [05:41:22] | NoRemorse: | oh |
| [05:41:25] | NoRemorse: | ouch |
| [05:41:37] | NoRemorse: | vlc? |
| [05:41:46] | clever: | mplayer! |
| [05:41:53] | NoRemorse: | I mean try vlc maybe |
| [05:41:59] | Shadow__X: | NoRemorse, let him go his computer is melting |
| [05:42:04] | clever: | lol |
| [05:42:05] | NoRemorse: | lol |
| [05:42:14] | clever: | vlc needs a mouse |
| [05:42:21] | clever: | i dont have one within reach for that pc |
| [05:42:27] | NoRemorse: | ah |
| [05:43:10] | clever: | 400/8000 done on my backup |
| [05:43:25] | wagnerrp: | someone told him to clean off his computer, so he used soap and water |
| [05:43:42] | clever: | wagnerrp: no worse, i did a dist-upgrade |
| [05:43:45] | Shadow__X: | also magnets to keep the side doors on |
| [05:44:06] | clever: | Shadow__X: you dont know how a hdd works then do you:P |
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| [05:46:41] | Shadow__X: | eh nvm |
| [05:46:53] | clever: | theres a giant magnet in there to move the heads |
| [05:47:23] | wagnerrp: | actually, there's a pair |
| [05:47:30] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:47:41] | clever: | with a coil between them on the head arm |
| [05:48:08] | wagnerrp: | although theyre halbach arrays, so the lateral and backwards flux is relatively low |
| [05:48:20] | clever: | yeah |
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| [05:52:45] | wagnerrp: | seriously though, do you believe that there would not be any damage enough to stick magnets on your hard drives? |
| [05:53:09] | clever: | depends on how strong it is |
| [05:53:23] | clever: | a normal fridge magnet would probly do little harm |
| [05:56:36] | stuporglue: | I've got my MythTV system working pretty well, but some larger resolution videos stutter and skip. They're home videos ripped from VHS and shared via NFS over a 801.11g (not b/g) network. Is there anything I can do to buffer the videos before they start playing? |
| [05:57:19] | clever: | using mythvideo and mplayer? |
| [05:57:42] | stuporglue: | yes |
| [05:57:49] | clever: | mplayer has a cache setting |
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| [05:58:15] | clever: | either -cache in the command line setup of mythvideo or 'cache=1234' in ~/.mplayer/config |
| [05:58:24] | clever: | the setting is in kb |
| [05:58:41] | stuporglue: | brilliant! |
| [05:58:53] | clever: | i tend to go overkill and make the cache 200–300mb, which is beyond the size of my avg file |
| [05:59:03] | clever: | which means it will suck the wireless up 100% for 5mins |
| [05:59:08] | clever: | then not need it at all |
| [05:59:33] | clever: | but it helps for stuff like cd's |
| [05:59:43] | clever: | the cd gets read in all at once and can then spin down |
| [05:59:47] | stuporglue: | I've ordered a pair of ethernet-over-power adapters, but I'll do about anything to get the performance up in the mean time |
| [06:00:59] | clever: | by default, mplayer will try to cache 10% of the buffer before even starting to play |
| [06:01:14] | clever: | which can become a problem with a 700mb cache, then it wants a full 70mb before it does anything |
| [06:01:17] | clever: | cache=200000 |
| [06:01:20] | clever: | cache-min=2 |
| [06:01:25] | Shadow__X: | hmm would there be a way to have only certain files buffer |
| [06:01:34] | clever: | that pair of lines(from my own config) will cache up to 200mb and start playing at 2% |
| [06:01:35] | Shadow__X: | say those being shared off of a myth box over the internet |
| [06:01:58] | clever: | Shadow__X: cant think of one that would be fully automatic |
| [06:02:03] | stuporglue: | is that cache in RAM? |
| [06:02:08] | clever: | ram and swap |
| [06:02:20] | clever: | if its too big, it overflows into the swap |
| [06:02:27] | clever: | but thats still faster then the wifi |
| [06:02:32] | stuporglue: | yeah, probably true |
| [06:03:01] | clever: | though ive had it fail before |
| [06:03:10] | clever: | too much ram&swap used |
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| [06:03:49] | clever: | if the free space between the 2 doesnt total up to the cache setting mplayer just gives up right away |
| [06:03:57] | stuporglue: | gotcha |
| [06:04:19] | Shadow__X: | hmm i want to have 2 mythtv boxes |
| [06:04:21] | clever: | though firefox is about the only thing that can push the system that hard |
| [06:04:26] | Shadow__X: | one at one location |
| [06:04:29] | Shadow__X: | one at another |
| [06:04:40] | Shadow__X: | 1 and 2 |
| [06:04:42] | stuporglue: | I bumped it up to 300mb, but the video is still choppy....any ideas what I can check? The video file is a 5 gig avi file |
| [06:04:44] | clever: | Shadow__X: i have 6 seperate boxes spread aarround the house |
| [06:04:56] | clever: | and i can stream files from the central one to any of them |
| [06:04:59] | stuporglue: | wow |
| [06:05:00] | Shadow__X: | clever, i am not talking about the same house |
| [06:05:07] | clever: | Shadow__X: ahhh |
| [06:05:25] | Shadow__X: | but i want myth2 to be able to stream all of the vids from 1 |
| [06:05:29] | clever: | stuporglue: it may stutter at first as the cache fills itself |
| [06:05:29] | clever: | watch stdout for the % at the end |
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| [06:05:51] | clever: | Shadow__X: you could set it up like a normal network with a single master backend |
| [06:06:12] | clever: | and a single mysql |
| [06:06:14] | clever: | ive done that with over 1000 miles between the 2 systems before |
| [06:06:16] | Shadow__X: | but how will it get the vids from the first one |
| [06:06:27] | Shadow__X: | and how did that run clever |
| [06:06:41] | clever: | the upstream was way too small |
| [06:06:43] | clever: | so i had to pre copy the nuv files |
| [06:06:47] | clever: | 1gig/10hours |
| [06:06:54] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [06:06:59] | Shadow__X: | was everything automated? |
| [06:07:01] | clever: | then i updated the database to think they belonged to a 'local' slave backend |
| [06:07:06] | clever: | manual:P |
| [06:07:13] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [06:07:22] | clever: | i hand picked 2 hours of stuff to move and spent the rest of the day waiting for it:P |
| [06:07:41] | clever: | but if you had a decent upstream you could stream any show on the fly |
| [06:07:48] | Shadow__X: | my upload from 1 will be around 350KB/sec |
| [06:07:53] | clever: | then its just a matter of tying the 2 LAN's together so they can talk back and forth |
| [06:08:01] | stuporglue: | ah. Maybe the network isn't my problem. Mplayer is saying "Badly interleaved AVI file detected". |
| [06:08:04] | clever: | how nearby are the 2 places? |
| [06:08:41] | clever: | Shadow__X: are they right next door or something? |
| [06:08:48] | Shadow__X: | no |
| [06:08:53] | Shadow__X: | about 20 miles away |
| [06:08:58] | clever: | ahh |
| [06:09:07] | clever: | cant extactly string your own ethernet between them then:P |
| [06:09:13] | Shadow__X: | nope |
| [06:09:16] | Shadow__X: | ifi could i would |
| [06:09:34] | clever: | with a little work you can make the 2 networks 192.168.0.x and 192.168.1.x |
| [06:09:45] | clever: | and tie the 2 into eachother so they act like a single network |
| [06:09:54] | clever: | ive done that on many ocasions |
| [06:10:04] | Shadow__X: | what did you use to tie em together |
| [06:10:27] | clever: | i used a vpn client to get a ethernet like link between 2 systems(1 on each end) |
| [06:10:41] | clever: | then i just used some routing magic to make that into a bridge |
| [06:10:57] | Shadow__X: | hmm doesnt seem too bad |
| [06:11:24] | clever: | 192.168.1.60 is treated as the gateway to the 192.168.0.x network |
| [06:11:41] | clever: | and it is then told that 5.56.138.151 is the gateway |
| [06:11:51] | Shadow__X: | hamachi aye |
| [06:11:52] | clever: | and once i enable ipforward in the kernel it relays every packet onward thru the vpn |
| [06:12:05] | Shadow__X: | i was thinking of using that |
| [06:12:10] | clever: | then the other end also has ip forward on and continues relaying it onward |
| [06:12:19] | clever: | the hamachi site has a text explaining it somewhere |
| [06:12:21] | stuporglue: | thanks for the help. Have a good night |
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| [06:13:18] | clever: | i mainly use it to access LAN systems from a hotel without installing hamachi on every single system |
| [06:13:36] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [06:13:53] | Shadow__X: | hostel huh |
| [06:14:02] | clever: | just a normal hotel |
| [06:14:23] | clever: | the only risk i can see is if one of the idiots somehow sets me as his gateway AND knows enough to try poking at ip's in my house's range |
| [06:15:15] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [06:17:15] | clever: | though i can secure it with some iptables at each end if i wanted |
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| [06:25:33] | ** justinh wonders why cpu freq. scaling is disabled on his mythbuntu frontend ** | |
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| [06:29:48] | Shadow__X: | hey justinh how did you find out it was |
| [06:29:56] | Shadow__X: | i wanted to check if mine was working |
| [06:31:44] | clever: | cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies |
| [06:31:44] | clever: | 1600000 1400000 1200000 1000000 800000 600000 |
| [06:31:59] | clever: | Shadow__X: run that, if its 'working' it should list every freq it can run at |
| [06:32:29] | Shadow__X: | alright its full |
| [06:32:34] | clever: | if that can be seen then the kernel side atleast knows the cpu is able to scale |
| [06:32:48] | Shadow__X: | exit |
| [06:32:51] | clever: | then use 'cpufreq-selector -f xxx' to try to change it |
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| [06:33:13] | clever: | and check cat /proc/cpuinfo to see if it had an effect |
| [06:33:23] | clever: | i set my cpufreq-selector setuid root so i dont need sudo on it |
| [06:33:36] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [06:33:37] | justinh: | non of the cpufreq utils work |
| [06:33:41] | clever: | which also means the applet in gnome-panel can change freq without sudo |
| [06:33:50] | clever: | justinh: check that raw file in /sys/ |
| [06:33:50] | justinh: | cpufreq-info reports it's not enabled so it must be kernel related |
| [06:33:53] | Shadow__X: | but i want it to change by itself |
| [06:33:57] | justinh: | it doesn't exist! |
| [06:34:06] | clever: | Shadow__X: then you need to run powernowd or similar |
| [06:34:11] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [06:34:25] | clever: | justinh: then the module isnt loaded/compiled |
| [06:34:28] | justinh: | the cpufreq stuff seems to have modules for it but loading them doesn't make any odds either |
| [06:35:02] | rooaus: | Can anyone recommend an app to batch convert a mix directory tree of .flac and .ogg? Ideally placing them in a separate directoy. |
| [06:35:09] | justinh: | maybe it depends on another module (or modules) I don't yet load |
| [06:35:18] | justinh: | rooaus: perl & ffmpeg ? |
| [06:35:30] | clever: | it autoloads all the right modules on all 3 systems that support scaling(ubuntu) |
| [06:35:34] | clever: | from those i own |
| [06:36:01] | justinh: | maybe it was one of the daemons I disabled when I OMGoptimised booting |
| [06:36:36] | rooaus: | justinh: I don't know perl... was thinking someone might have already written something :) |
| [06:36:41] | clever: | yeah when i didnt know what it was i just added a 'exit 0' to /etc/init.d/powernowd which also disabled loading of the modules |
| [06:37:28] | justinh: | I can't remember what I disabled now :D |
| [06:37:50] | clever: | which is why you should keep track of those changes or just throw them under svn:P |
| [06:37:52] | justinh: | no matter. I can live without scaling. we turn the frontend off when it's not in use so it's not gonna burn the house down |
| [06:38:00] | justinh: | ah bollocks to that! |
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| [06:38:29] | clever: | but i cant live without lirc |
| [06:38:31] | clever: | help me! |
| [06:38:34] | justinh: | I'm not one of those buggers who blogs every last fucking keypress :P |
| [06:38:55] | clever: | lol |
| [06:39:02] | clever: | i did a dist-upgrade |
| [06:39:09] | clever: | now my lirc source wont compile |
| [06:39:31] | clever: | but the lirc_serial that came with the kernel finaly has proper parameters and can change the io/irq without a recompile |
| [06:39:53] | clever: | i can see the ir led blinking thru a camera but its way dimmer then a normal remote |
| [06:41:24] | justinh: | dist-upgrade eh? got the new kernel sources? |
| [06:41:48] | justinh: | and er.. shock horror! dist-upgrade broke stuff!!!!!!!!! :-O |
| [06:41:48] | clever: | i have the new kernel sources |
| [06:41:53] | clever: | but i dont appear to nead them |
| [06:42:05] | clever: | the new kernel came with prebuilt lirc modules |
| [06:42:17] | clever: | or atleast something built them |
| [06:42:41] | clever: | i saw gcc running on something lirc durring the dist-upgrade |
| [06:42:51] | clever: | and yes the dist-upgrade broke alot, the system can bearly boot now |
| [06:43:20] | Shadow__X: | i havnt heard of something breaking that much of a dist upgrade |
| [06:43:35] | Shadow__X: | one time ine broke the video driver but |
| [06:43:37] | Shadow__X: | other than that |
| [06:43:51] | clever: | i started with ubuntu 6.06 and everything working ok |
| [06:44:07] | clever: | i upgraded 3 times in a row to 7.10, lirc_i2c stoped working, no more ir receiver |
| [06:44:23] | clever: | now ive upgraded another time to 8.04 and now i have no ir blaster |
| [06:44:27] | justinh: | usually easier just to back up essentials & install afresh |
| [06:44:29] | clever: | and i can bearly boot |
| [06:44:37] | justinh: | takes less time too |
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| [06:44:50] | Shadow__X: | agreed |
| [06:44:52] | clever: | i actualy have 100gig free this time arround |
| [06:45:01] | clever: | so i did a complete copy of my nfsroot directory |
| [06:45:13] | clever: | now if the dist-upgrade screws up i can allways undo it |
| [06:45:18] | clever: | on that set of systems |
| [06:45:48] | clever: | also |
| [06:45:49] | clever: | oddly |
| [06:45:59] | clever: | the upgrade went better when i hacked it in:P |
| [06:46:23] | clever: | on theP4 i used the update-manager gui to 'properly' install everything |
| [06:46:48] | clever: | then on my laptop i just stole the sources.list from theP4 and did the usual update/dist-upgrade that i normaly did |
| [06:48:54] | clever: | wtf |
| [06:48:56] | clever: | dkms |
| [06:49:11] | clever: | whoa |
| [06:49:16] | clever: | Description: Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework This package contains the framework for the Dynamic Kernel Module |
| [06:49:38] | clever: | that explains why i didnt have to compile ivtv or lirc |
| [06:49:55] | clever: | they finaly got a clue and made it autocompile on upgrade/boot when needed |
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| [06:54:38] | justinh: | sounds delightful :-\ |
| [06:55:11] | clever: | it atleast solves the problem of having to manualy recompile things when i upgrade |
| [06:55:18] | clever: | aslong as it actualy works:P |
| [06:55:26] | clever: | the lirc it made isnt working |
| [06:55:52] | clever: | 17838 tty1 T 0:00 make -C /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/build SUBDIRS=/var/lib/dkms/lirc/0.8.3~pre1/build/drivers/lirc_imon modules KBUILD_VERBOSE=1 |
| [06:56:24] | clever: | it appears to have left the build dir behind |
| [06:56:41] | clever: | including all the .ko and .o files |
| [06:57:35] | clever: | might be best if i just fix dkms to build proper modules then hack arround and reuse its source |
| [06:57:44] | clever: | or it will just break things again next time |
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| [06:59:41] | clever: | dkms is a framework which allows kernel modules to be dynamically built for each kernel on your system in a simplified and organized fashion. |
| [06:59:46] | clever: | (from man page) |
| [06:59:59] | Dibblah: | tocirpas |
| [07:00:01] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
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| [07:21:02] | Shadow__X: | freaking recording tv |
| [07:21:07] | Shadow__X: | fills up hds |
| [07:21:12] | Shadow__X: | quicker than i can watch |
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| [07:23:00] | justinh: | aww |
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| [07:28:28] | Shadow__X: | tv shows go much faster without commercials |
| [07:28:44] | directhex: | porn goes much faster without the trumped-up storyline! |
| [07:29:24] | Shadow__X: | or the great acting |
| [07:30:15] | justinh: | soaps go much faster if you simply just don't watch them at all! |
| [07:30:50] | justinh: | same goes for 'reality' shows |
| [07:30:52] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [07:31:06] | Shadow__X: | how does that wager on the waf |
| [07:31:38] | justinh: | who cares? |
| [07:31:42] | directhex: | show her story-free porn instead |
| [07:31:45] | directhex: | kill 2 birds with 1 stone |
| [07:32:05] | justinh: | if they spent more time doing conjugal duties there'd be less time to watch brain-numbing telly |
| [07:32:08] | justinh: | FACT |
| [07:32:13] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [07:33:04] | Shadow__X: | we all know that if more of that happened you would be online right now |
| [07:33:13] | justinh: | sex or X factor? Hmm now let me think... |
| [07:33:38] | justinh: | I'm at work |
| [07:33:41] | Shadow__X: | wouldnt* |
| [07:33:57] | Shadow__X: | ah guess diff part of the world |
| [07:34:10] | Shadow__X: | point being didnt hippies try having sex all the time |
| [07:34:13] | Shadow__X: | how did that work |
| [07:35:05] | justinh: | ir produced a generation of the biggest whiners in the history of mankind! |
| [07:35:20] | justinh: | muh muh muh, OSS projects should this, should that :P |
| [07:35:27] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [07:35:36] | Shadow__X: | agreed |
| [07:35:51] | directhex: | i think most of them don't want to know their mothers were involved in drug-fuelled gangbangs ni the 60s/70s, so act like pricks to distract |
| [07:35:59] | justinh: | we can blame the hippies & baby-boomers for the mess we're in now |
| [07:36:16] | Shadow__X: | agreed |
| [07:36:27] | directhex: | i blame the french. |
| [07:36:36] | Shadow__X: | also a valuable option |
| [07:36:47] | directhex: | ooh, or canada! |
| [07:36:49] | directhex: | blame canada! |
| [07:36:54] | Shadow__X: | i was about to say that |
| [07:39:07] | wagnerrp: | what about.... french canadians |
| [07:39:26] | Shadow__X: | the worst! |
| [07:43:08] | directhex: | there's no canada like french canada it's the best canada in zee land |
| [07:43:42] | directhex: | http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/154352 #see justinh, no youtube theftiness! |
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| [08:32:40] | ivor: | mzb_d800: yup |
| [08:32:56] | mzb_d800: | any good? |
| [08:33:18] | mzb_d800: | main concern is mpeg2 with xvmc |
| [08:33:33] | ivor: | works fine for me. others have some problems. |
| [08:33:40] | mzb_d800: | how so? |
| [08:33:56] | ivor: | luck and good looks? |
| [08:34:02] | mzb_d800: | heh ;) |
| [08:34:19] | mzb_d800: | if it's a matter of fiddling until it's right, then it's right down my alley ;) |
| [08:35:15] | ivor: | getting it working on an old box like a m10k is pretty much done and dusted though. |
| [08:35:17] | mzb_d800: | so for example, if I want to adjust the screen for overscan and then move it around a bit, is there still enough horsepower to play mpeg2? |
| [08:35:41] | mzb_d800: | note: currently running 866 and 1000 P3's this way, but with nvidia cards |
| [08:35:49] | ivor: | for TV out you can't adjust the overscan. |
| [08:35:56] | ivor: | just turn it on and off. |
| [08:36:02] | justinh: | you can't move it |
| [08:36:09] | mzb_d800: | bugger ... hope it'll suit my old PAL tv |
| [08:36:12] | ivor: | unless you want to finish the code I wrote |
| [08:36:17] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [08:36:20] | justinh: | I always found the epia m10k to fit the screen precisely though |
| [08:36:28] | mzb_d800: | on composite? |
| [08:36:33] | justinh: | 720x576NoScale :) |
| [08:36:40] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [08:36:43] | justinh: | svideo, but same difference |
| [08:36:43] | ivor: | yup. it was tweaked to death. |
| [08:36:55] | mzb_d800: | justinh: no ... not the same |
| [08:37:04] | mzb_d800: | (age of tv's for one) |
| [08:37:06] | justinh: | same timing |
| [08:37:08] | ivor: | it is for the sync signal |
| [08:37:27] | ivor: | justinh: morning |
| [08:37:33] | justinh: | morning ivor |
| [08:37:48] | ivor: | nice blue sky out there.... sniff. |
| [08:37:53] | mzb_d800: | I've had to do horrible things to get a good screen (under all circumstances) with loungetv+nvidia+[OLD]TV |
| [08:38:06] | justinh: | anyway mzb_d800 the key is, stuff which was exactly on the bottom of the screen via my cable stb, was the same through the frontend |
| [08:38:19] | mzb_d800: | but bedtv+nvidia+SVideo(on new tv) was just too easy in comparison ;) |
| [08:38:44] | justinh: | nvidia's tvout is often incapable of being adjusted well enough to fit perfectly |
| [08:38:53] | mzb_d800: | ok ... so probably will come down to TV |
| [08:39:18] | justinh: | my TV is about 10 years old & things seem to fit it just fine |
| [08:39:26] | mzb_d800: | try 35yo ;) |
| [08:39:28] | mzb_d800: | ++++ |
| [08:39:30] | justinh: | oof |
| [08:39:37] | justinh: | figure 10% overscan then :P |
| [08:39:44] | ivor: | time for a new widescreen hdtv lcd I reckon. :) |
| [08:40:30] | mzb_d800: | 69cm AWA Thorn in perfect condition (restored by Dad) |
| [08:40:43] | mzb_d800: | (and I've got a spare with the same chassis) |
| [08:40:46] | mzb_d800: | Option "TVOverscan" "0.8" |
| [08:41:34] | mzb_d800: | whereas bedtv has: |
| [08:41:36] | justinh: | I never found those to work. Always had to resort to nvidia-settings |
| [08:41:38] | mzb_d800: | Option "TVOverscan" "0.55" |
| [08:42:36] | mzb_d800: | I was using nvidia settings earlier on .... but ended up finding this method better with mx4[246]0 and fx5200's |
| [08:42:47] | mzb_d800: | mx400 was pita |
| [08:42:49] | justinh: | apparently ATI's overscan adjustment/placement features are second to none |
| [08:43:15] | justinh: | Intel's are pretty good – at least in the OSS driver |
| [08:43:21] | mzb_d800: | started with matrox g450 .... which was an interesting experiment ... but not really worth it in the long run |
| [08:43:32] | mzb_d800: | (too hard to configure/change/maintain) |
| [08:43:51] | justinh: | heh framebuffer hell |
| [08:44:09] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... that and the custom wiring |
| [08:44:34] | mzb_d800: | got a friend who wants a mythtv box on the cheap since he's started working massive hours |
| [08:44:41] | mzb_d800: | (for no pay;) |
| [08:45:11] | justinh: | hmm apparently there's a directfb thingy for qt4 |
| [08:45:24] | justinh: | so that might 'just work' with mythtv |
| [08:45:34] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... didn't have fun with that approach |
| [08:45:51] | mzb_d800: | easier to go nv in the end (and cards are cheaper anyway) |
| [08:46:03] | mzb_d800: | so I've found M10K's in box with ATSC tuner (first thing to throw), 40GB hdd and 512MB ram |
| [08:46:15] | mzb_d800: | (oh ... and IR wireless mini keyboards) |
| [08:46:51] | directhex: | why is he working for no money? |
| [08:47:15] | mzb_d800: | ... if he gets WAF he'll probably do the usual 2-for-1 deal (ie: I get a free one == his way of paying me + he gets a maintained box) |
| [08:47:36] | ivor: | yeah, the rest of us do no hours for massive pay. strange. |
| [08:47:45] | mzb_d800: | he's rescued his family's old business (which was rented out) |
| [08:48:10] | mzb_d800: | the tenant went bankrupt and skipped with all the cash (etc) |
| [08:48:18] | ivor: | funky – http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08 . . . amp;from=rss |
| [08:50:14] | mzb_d800: | food |
| [08:50:29] | mzb_d800: | (has arrived;) |
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| [08:52:05] | justinh: | :-O |
| [08:53:31] | clever: | mzb_d800: you heard of dkms? |
| [08:56:37] | justinh: | ivor: no. way. NOWAY! |
| [08:58:42] | ivor: | cute isn't it |
| [08:59:19] | justinh: | kinawesome infact |
| [08:59:35] | jduggan_: | who wants a piece of birthday cake :o |
| [09:00:15] | justinh: | no thanks :) |
| [09:00:55] | justinh: | but er.. happy birthday |
| [09:01:06] | quicksilver: | CAKE or DEATH!?!? |
| [09:02:07] | justinh: | hmm put like that.. cake! |
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| [09:05:54] | clever: | forgot to murder localedef |
| [09:05:56] | clever: | shit |
| [09:06:02] | clever: | and now it murdered the kernel |
| [09:08:15] | clever: | atleast its nfsroot, no harm to the fs from a improper shutdown |
| [09:08:18] | justinh: | in the study? with the lead pipe? result! |
| [09:08:40] | clever: | the localedef command ran durring a dist-upgrade gets stuck in a inf loop on kernel space |
| [09:08:43] | clever: | wont kill -9 |
| [09:08:54] | clever: | so the upgrade never finishes |
| [09:09:09] | clever: | its happened 3 times in a row on seperate systems |
| [09:11:00] | clever: | my 'fix' is a empty sh script that returns 0 and completely replaces localedef |
| [09:29:14] | webvictim: | anyone know of a way i can force mythweb to regenerate thumbnails? |
| [09:29:43] | webvictim: | i had a problem last night where my recordings volume got unmounted, so now mythweb thinks that none of the programs have thumbnails as it couldn't find |
| [09:29:49] | webvictim: | they do actually exist, though :( |
| [09:31:25] | mzb_d800: | clever: yes ... how does that apply? |
| [09:32:08] | justinh: | arghh it's still only 10.30 |
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| [09:34:16] | justinh: | ooo... http://hotukdeals.com/item/228741/asus-eee-pc . . . 99-today-be/ |
| [09:34:35] | clever: | mzb_d800: dkms somehow built lirc and ivtv without me even having to tell it:P |
| [09:34:45] | clever: | mzb_d800: though the lirc seems useless, i cant change channels anymore |
| [09:34:55] | clever: | ive lost all ir blasting |
| [09:35:10] | mzb_d800: | what has dkms got to do with it? |
| [09:35:28] | clever: | dkms is some new framework to automaticaly rebuild kernel modules when the kernel version changes |
| [09:35:44] | mzb_d800: | distro? |
| [09:35:47] | clever: | so you dont have to manualy redo lirc&ivtv every time the kernel gets upgraded |
| [09:35:56] | clever: | ubuntu 8.04 |
| [09:36:18] | clever: | the lirc_serial it comes with has also finaly moved the irq/io options out of the compile stage |
| [09:36:19] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... after recent experiences I won't touch anything that Dell has touched |
| [09:36:23] | clever: | i can now change them at runtime |
| [09:36:43] | mzb_d800: | (I might catch the "make me even more stupid" disease) |
| [09:36:47] | clever: | lol |
| [09:37:03] | clever: | i also noticed i have a lirc_pvr150 |
| [09:37:40] | mzb_d800: | ffs, aren't I brain-dead enough without having to walk Dell reps through diagnosis/repair/exchange/bookings .... grrr |
| [09:37:40] | clever: | but it hardlocks somewhere deep inside lirc_register_plugin in lirc_dev.ko |
| [09:37:46] | clever: | which means the modprobe never finishes |
| [09:37:52] | mzb_d800: | so get rid of dkms ;) |
| [09:38:14] | clever: | that doesnt change the fact that my lirc source dir refuses to compile:P |
| [09:38:25] | clever: | 0.8.1 wont compile |
| [09:38:32] | mzb_d800: | well that might point to the root cause of your problem |
| [09:38:32] | clever: | and dkms gave me 0.8.3 pre1 |
| [09:38:43] | mzb_d800: | do it (any version) manually |
| [09:38:55] | clever: | i tried 0.8.1 manualy and it errors |
| [09:39:02] | justinh: | ouchy. this doesn't look good: NUKESTUB: assert fail, file = video.c line = 606 |
| [09:39:05] | justinh: | $T05thread:00000005;10:8e8d2488;0f:44a49b88;#2 |
| [09:39:09] | mzb_d800: | surely the dkms method produces logs |
| [09:39:22] | clever: | mzb_d800: yeah and ive checked its config also |
| [09:39:42] | clever: | and the lirc_serial is able to make the ir led blink |
| [09:39:54] | clever: | but for some reason the cable box still isnt changing channels |
| [09:39:54] | mzb_d800: | ok ... so if the logs don't tell you anything meaningful then do it manually |
| [09:40:15] | clever: | i didnt look at the dkms logs since it built the module without any problems |
| [09:40:42] | mzb_d800: | maybe the different source had changed the way the codes are processed ... could be as simple as a timing method |
| [09:40:53] | justinh: | do it manually? hey but I want future versions of ubuntu to nurse maid me in every aspect of life. wah! |
| [09:40:56] | mzb_d800: | have you tried re-learning some of the codes? |
| [09:40:59] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [09:41:11] | clever: | i never learned the codes to begin with |
| [09:41:16] | clever: | i didnt have a receiver with i started |
| [09:41:21] | clever: | i just downloaded the file for my box |
| [09:41:27] | justinh: | oh wait I forgot. a brain is still required to use any linux distro |
| [09:41:29] | clever: | http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/motorola/DCT2000 |
| [09:41:36] | mzb_d800: | ok ... so learn the codes for a device+remote that you *do* have ... and see if that works |
| [09:41:59] | mzb_d800: | justinh: i'm not sure about that ... I use *nix ;) |
| [09:42:10] | clever: | that would require fixing the receiver which is a pvr150 and can only hear its own remote |
| [09:42:23] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [09:42:23] | clever: | so i cant learn codes for the proper remote |
| [09:42:46] | mzb_d800: | I can't think of anything else to try |
| [09:42:54] | clever: | the receiver is locked to a small set of codes for its own remote |
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| [09:43:07] | mzb_d800: | I get the idea |
| [09:43:12] | justinh: | as most IR receivers with micros ;) |
| [09:43:22] | clever: | only problem i can think of |
| [09:43:26] | clever: | the ir led looks alot dimmer |
| [09:43:52] | mzb_d800: | you haven't changed anything but the code running it? |
| [09:44:02] | mzb_d800: | (like using a longer cable, for example?) |
| [09:44:10] | clever: | the hardware wasnt even touched for months |
| [09:44:24] | clever: | the cable is the same short one its allways been |
| [09:44:43] | clever: | i could try rebooting to the old kernel and use the old lirc_serial to verify the hardware |
| [09:45:13] | clever: | but i need to review my initrd first, the system can bearly boot |
| [09:45:18] | mzb_d800: | so the best guess I can give is that either the xmit LED is on it's way out .... or there's a timing difference in the code |
| [09:45:37] | clever: | the led could be on its way out.... |
| [09:45:38] | mzb_d800: | either way .... building lirc manually should show you *something* |
| [09:45:43] | clever: | it has been droping digits alot lately |
| [09:48:36] | mzb_d800: | oh dear ... speaking of remotes, got an STB without one ... after power meter replacement yesterday looks like I'm missing a channel (WAF-- when you've only got a few;) |
| [09:48:49] | justinh: | maybe its series resistor was wrong & you've been overdriving it too harshly.. and thus it is now almost deaded |
| [09:48:51] | mzb_d800: | can't remember PIN code either ... *sigh* |
| [09:49:34] | clever: | justinh: could be, i just find it odd that it 'just happened' to die AFTER the reboot for a dist-upgrade |
| [09:50:09] | justinh: | I wish the head honcho software dev round the other building would stop talking out of his Japseye for 10 minutes |
| [09:50:35] | justinh: | the unit does not frickin work if you put this unlock code or that unlock code in it. the damn code is crashing if you do that |
| [09:51:04] | clever: | i'll test the blaster on my laptop |
| [09:51:09] | clever: | less harm from rebooting it |
| [09:51:20] | justinh: | oh wait. this'd be because I don't have the version of code that he's kept on his private svn server |
| [09:51:26] | justinh: | arghhhhhhhhhhh |
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| [09:57:04] | clever: | now things are screwed up |
| [09:57:17] | clever: | the keyboard up and stoped working in X after i got 3 lines in xterm |
| [09:58:07] | clever: | wait |
| [09:58:16] | clever: | i think tty1 woke up late and somehow stole the keyboard |
| [09:58:36] | justinh: | clever: you'd have acres of fun with one of these babies I tells ya |
| [09:59:09] | justinh: | maybe you could even figure out a way to interpret the software dev's documentation & make em work |
| [09:59:24] | justinh: | step 1. obtain the FM |
| [09:59:28] | justinh: | 2. burn FM |
| [09:59:40] | justinh: | 3. try every combination of settings until it works |
| [09:59:55] | clever: | lol |
| [10:00:35] | clever: | crap |
| [10:00:37] | clever: | 1mb free on / |
| [10:00:40] | clever: | what happened |
| [10:00:48] | directhex: | /var/log ? |
| [10:01:04] | clever: | only 15mb |
| [10:01:41] | justinh: | 4. when all combinations of settings have failed to produce a working unit, return to your line manager with explanation. He contacts software dept & discovers only they have working software at this point |
| [10:02:06] | clever: | fun fun:P |
| [10:02:20] | justinh: | 5. throw unit out of window into carpark |
| [10:02:37] | clever: | im not on the 5th floor or anything |
| [10:03:04] | justinh: | seeing a window as big as these are, shatter – might be quite satisfying right now |
| [10:03:21] | clever: | :D |
| [10:04:16] | clever: | Fetched 8012kB in 7s (1030kB/s) |
| [10:04:27] | clever: | squid works wonders when your upgrading multiple systems at once |
| [10:07:39] | clever: | ugh |
| [10:07:48] | clever: | need kernel source, on 40mb of free space:P |
| [10:12:18] | justinh: | ah fuck it. I don't get paid enough to care |
| [10:13:10] | clever: | ahhh i see my problem |
| [10:13:22] | clever: | the 2.6.22 headers arent in the package system anymore |
| [10:13:27] | clever: | because .22 isnt part of 8.04 |
| [10:22:51] | justinh: | 07:41 < justinh> dist-upgrade eh? got the new kernel sources? |
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| [10:37:18] | clever: | im redoing it on a diff pc which i can reboot more |
| [10:37:26] | clever: | and was trying to do it on the old kernel which worked fine |
| [10:37:36] | clever: | but that kernel isnt in the repo anymore so i cant get source |
| [10:38:28] | clever: | it did something! |
| [10:38:34] | clever: | i did a SEND_START so i could aim it |
| [10:38:41] | clever: | and it jumped to channel 44 when i picked it up |
| [10:43:43] | mzb_d800: | clever: apt-cacher works better ;)) (mind you ... as long as you not running ubuntu ... DOH!) |
| [10:45:48] | clever: | never heard of it before |
| [10:46:03] | mzb_d800: | much better than *just* squid |
| [10:46:09] | clever: | ahhh for that |
| [10:46:21] | clever: | then i dont need it on my laptop:P |
| [10:46:27] | mzb_d800: | but iirc doesn't work for ubuntu for various reasons ;) |
| [10:46:39] | clever: | my ir blaster still 'works' |
| [10:46:40] | mzb_d800: | *brilliant* for multiple machines |
| [10:46:44] | mzb_d800: | yay! |
| [10:46:55] | clever: | i told it to hold the 4 button |
| [10:47:00] | clever: | and when i picked it up i somehow wound up on channel 44 |
| [10:47:11] | clever: | but i havent been able to repeat it |
| [10:47:11] | mzb_d800: | and I have $$$ heading my way in advance payment for M10k's ... so we're both having a good day |
| [10:47:16] | mzb_d800: | time to celebrate ;) |
| [10:47:35] | ** mzb_d800 walks to the beer fridge ** | |
| [10:48:03] | justinh: | no comment :) |
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| [10:52:38] | mzb_d800: | ahhh ;) |
| [10:53:00] | mzb_d800: | no comment about the beer, or the m10k's ? |
| [10:53:11] | mzb_d800: | or is that a no comment as well? ;) |
| [10:53:13] | clever: | wtf |
| [10:53:24] | clever: | the heat shrink tubing has shrunk arround the diode |
| [10:53:36] | mzb_d800: | not a good sign |
| [10:53:43] | clever: | yeah |
| [10:53:57] | mzb_d800: | are you sure it wasn't that way before? |
| [10:53:57] | clever: | it wont slide off |
| [10:54:02] | clever: | dont know |
| [10:54:11] | clever: | may have melted itself on |
| [10:54:15] | mzb_d800: | heat shrink works that way, you know ;) |
| [10:54:40] | mzb_d800: | down to half it's diameter ... clever stuff |
| [10:54:44] | clever: | but i never applied any heat |
| [10:54:48] | clever: | but i never applied any heat |
| [10:54:53] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [10:55:15] | clever: | the diode may have heated up and shrunk the tubing arround itself |
| [10:55:23] | mzb_d800: | well in that case it (most likley) *is* bad |
| [10:55:31] | mzb_d800: | homebrew? |
| [10:55:39] | clever: | yep |
| [10:55:59] | clever: | led resistor and diode in series with 2 pins |
| [10:55:59] | mzb_d800: | diode shouldn't be getting that hot ... which circuit did you use? |
| [10:57:02] | clever: | i'll blast out a digit for 2mins and see if it heats up |
| [10:57:29] | mzb_d800: | "Usage of the this circuit is not recommended if you value your serial port." |
| [10:57:31] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [10:57:58] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/build-an-ir-transmitter |
| [10:58:16] | clever: | i can feel the blaster working |
| [10:58:22] | clever: | the mouse is very slushish:P |
| [10:58:28] | mzb_d800: | use the 2nd diag on http://lirc.org/transmitters.html |
| [10:58:36] | mzb_d800: | mouse serial by any chance? |
| [10:58:43] | clever: | built into the laptop |
| [10:58:48] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [10:59:04] | mzb_d800: | reckon you're killing your serial port yet? |
| [10:59:22] | mzb_d800: | might be an idea to quit while you've still got one |
| [10:59:24] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [10:59:25] | clever: | i switched the blaster to a totaly seperate computer |
| [10:59:30] | clever: | and its performing just as badly |
| [10:59:55] | clever: | which makes me think its part of the blaster thats going tits up |
| [11:00:29] | clever: | right now i just hacked my channel change script to 'exit 1' if the channel isnt 45 |
| [11:00:34] | mzb_d800: | yep ... make a new one |
| [11:00:35] | clever: | so mythbackend will know it failed |
| [11:00:57] | clever: | i'll just bypass the whole stb |
| [11:01:03] | clever: | raw coax right into the pvr150 |
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| [11:01:51] | mzb_d800: | oh ... and add the capacitor suggestion on that page too |
| [11:02:20] | mzb_d800: | mine's slightly different from memory ... just can't remember exactly what the difference was |
| [11:02:41] | clever: | i should just get a proper usb one |
| [11:02:45] | clever: | or fix the pvr150 blaster |
| [11:03:07] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [11:03:19] | mzb_d800: | serial is still easier (for me) |
| [11:03:34] | mzb_d800: | I've got better things to do with USB ports ;) |
| [11:03:38] | clever: | lirc_i2c on the pvr blaster claims that blasting isnt supported |
| [11:03:47] | clever: | and usb ports can multiply:P |
| [11:04:02] | mzb_d800: | and some things don't like hubs |
| [11:04:19] | mzb_d800: | (and some *people* don't want to buy more of the beasties!) |
| [11:04:32] | mzb_d800: | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/build-an-ir-receiver |
| [11:04:55] | clever: | xterm has also changed alot with the dist-upgrade |
| [11:05:03] | clever: | normaly when i try to copy i link it selects 1 word in the middle |
| [11:05:04] | mzb_d800: | ^^ was the latest version of something I made 10 years ago |
| [11:05:09] | clever: | and often drops the 'http' |
| [11:05:16] | clever: | now its suddendly copying the entire url |
| [11:05:25] | mzb_d800: | I just added xmit to it ... all fits in the DB25 (just) |
| [11:05:57] | clever: | i got a ir reciever transistor |
| [11:05:58] | mzb_d800: | xterm or gnome-terminal? |
| [11:06:12] | clever: | xterm |
| [11:06:25] | clever: | gnome-terminal actualy turns links into clickable links |
| [11:06:28] | mzb_d800: | 2pin (receiver) or 3pin (receiver module) ?? |
| [11:06:34] | clever: | xterm simply gives the usual copy/paste |
| [11:06:38] | clever: | 2 pin transistor |
| [11:06:42] | mzb_d800: | nope |
| [11:06:44] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . img_3158.jpg |
| [11:06:45] | mzb_d800: | need 3 pin |
| [11:06:47] | clever: | middle package |
| [11:06:55] | clever: | i know |
| [11:06:55] | clever: | or a whole decoder/freq ic thing |
| [11:07:23] | clever: | http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . img_3161.jpg detector 'datasheet' |
| [11:07:26] | mzb_d800: | not enough room in a db25 (if using veroboard) |
| [11:08:04] | mzb_d800: | too hard ... get a 3 pin IR module |
| [11:08:14] | clever: | 150ma for my ir led |
| [11:08:20] | clever: | 5v reverse current |
| [11:08:25] | mzb_d800: | $5 in most countries (regardless of currency;)) |
| [11:08:31] | clever: | 950nm wavelenght |
| [11:08:36] | mzb_d800: | uhuh |
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| [11:08:57] | clever: | i was about to buy a usb based receiver online |
| [11:09:03] | mzb_d800: | for? |
| [11:09:05] | clever: | when dad hinted not to buy myself things before xmax |
| [11:09:10] | clever: | xmas |
| [11:09:14] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [11:09:15] | clever: | he got me the pvr150:P |
| [11:09:20] | mzb_d800: | ic |
| [11:09:25] | clever: | he had no idea what he was doing |
| [11:09:33] | clever: | im lucky i even got a hardware encoder:P |
| [11:09:38] | mzb_d800: | but the thought was there :) |
| [11:09:43] | clever: | yeah |
| [11:09:52] | ** mzb_d800 pats all Dad's on the head ** | |
| [11:09:54] | clever: | and i spent all night getting it working |
| [11:10:03] | mzb_d800: | gee ... a whole night! |
| [11:10:04] | clever: | the ivtv driver would shit itself if you even think of recording the CC/vbi |
| [11:10:17] | clever: | i had to globaly disable CC in all of mythtv |
| [11:10:27] | clever: | which means i cant read it on existing recordings |
| [11:10:32] | clever: | or capture it on other cards |
| [11:10:56] | mzb_d800: | and here I am thinking <2 months is quick ... must be getting old(er than I thought) |
| [11:11:26] | ** mzb_d800 here's woman approaching with needs ** | |
| [11:11:29] | mzb_d800: | bbl |
| [11:14:30] | clever: | kk |
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| [12:13:39] | mzb_d800: | heh ... ok .. WAF+++ for 4 years of work ... she's learned another 1% about her computer :) |
| [12:14:03] | mzb_d800: | time to celebrate again :))) |
| [12:14:45] | ** mzb_d800 inspects the beer fridge (wow ... things seem to be going well ... it won't last!;) ** | |
| [12:15:17] | justinh: | the key to always being needed is this: always be condescending |
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| [12:19:15] | justinh: | I might have to push multi-user myth closer to being reality soon. my wifey has learned how to disable timestretch |
| [12:19:21] | mzb_d800: | really? |
| [12:19:39] | justinh: | bang go the time savings |
| [12:19:41] | mzb_d800: | I'll take a note of that ... and file it ;) |
| [12:20:08] | mzb_d800: | (re: being needed;) |
| [12:20:26] | clever: | i cant get the tuner in my pvr150 to work |
| [12:20:29] | clever: | its stuck on channel 2 |
| [12:21:16] | justinh: | yeah apparently despite mythtv being SO HARD TO USE she's learned that it's very unlikely she can break things if she's careful, so is exploring menus |
| [12:21:20] | mzb_d800: | ok, mythtv question: is it possible to get a particular front end to *only* display (for eg) encoded (nuv) recordings and NOT mpeg2 ones? |
| [12:21:26] | justinh: | nope |
| [12:21:55] | mzb_d800: | ah ... being a theme expert ... nah forget that, go for multi-user ;) |
| [12:21:57] | justinh: | although maybe you could make a recording group filter regex for that, I dunno |
| [12:22:02] | gbee: | justinh: I'm thinking about multi-user more and more, I think we should be able to do it stage by stage, doesn't have to be an all or nothing deal like the SoC project |
| [12:22:26] | justinh: | gbee: splitting menus into xml would be a good start I think |
| [12:22:30] | mzb_d800: | err... even just pin numbers on certain menu's would probably do the job, right? (aka parental control) |
| [12:22:42] | justinh: | mzb_d800: in theory yes |
| [12:22:42] | gbee: | mzb_d800: well unless you move all the NUVs to one recording group and the mpeg2s to another |
| [12:22:57] | mzb_d800: | gbee: that could work |
| [12:23:14] | clever: | until you transcode something to nuv:P |
| [12:23:20] | mzb_d800: | yep |
| [12:23:28] | clever: | though a pair of update querys right on the db can fix it |
| [12:23:29] | gbee: | mzb_d800: too fiddly, I'd rather just a popup to select user + pin which then remains for the rest of the session etc |
| [12:23:29] | justinh: | ppft. transcoding. o ye of little disks |
| [12:23:46] | clever: | justinh: why else would he have nuv files to begin with |
| [12:24:05] | justinh: | oh crap. my wedding ring is becoming loose again |
| [12:24:22] | mzb_d800: | I'm going to end up with an extra EPIA (V8000) that I'm *almost* certain is likely to have problems with mpeg2 ... however as it's target user can't afford to be fussy I'd be quite happy to limit her to NUV only |
| [12:24:24] | gbee: | super glue |
| [12:24:38] | justinh: | gbee: or go back to eating all the pies |
| [12:24:42] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:24:47] | mzb_d800: | pie glue? |
| [12:24:55] | justinh: | sounds er.. edible |
| [12:24:59] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
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| [12:26:25] | mzb_d800: | justinh: it's not just a case of little disks ... it's the "file-squirrel syndrome" (as you've alluded to before;) |
| [12:26:55] | justinh: | hmmm more shopping excursions this weekend. more new jeans. some charity shop is going to be inundated with nearly-new trousery soon |
| [12:27:04] | mzb_d800: | and 2+1 (1=budding) tv addicts in the house |
| [12:27:11] | gbee: | you mean storing hundreds of episodes that you've already seen but will never watch again? |
| [12:27:30] | clever: | gbee: i do the same thing:( |
| [12:27:33] | justinh: | the same kind of person who has zillions of DVDs |
| [12:27:55] | clever: | though for once the system will last a week of recording without having to cancle 90% of it |
| [12:28:01] | ** gbee has few DVDs ** | |
| [12:28:03] | mzb_d800: | no ... I mean movies that I would like to watch again ... and again ... but too lazy to burn (I'm up to ~300 in 6 mths!) |
| [12:28:12] | mzb_d800: | ie: BURNED in 6 mths |
| [12:28:13] | justinh: | eep! |
| [12:28:39] | justinh: | maybe I'm just jealous that I don't have that much free time on my hands |
| [12:28:43] | mzb_d800: | but don't have a machine suitable for editing atm, so things are getting critical |
| [12:29:03] | justinh: | editing on epia hardware requires er.. patience |
| [12:29:07] | gbee: | mzb_d800: considering all the films you've yet to watch, future films etc when do you think you'll have the time to re-watch 600hrs of films? |
| [12:29:08] | justinh: | been there :) |
| [12:29:33] | mzb_d800: | if I feel like watching an old B+W war movie then I like a selection ... by the same token, sometimes I feel like a western |
| [12:30:07] | justinh: | speaking of which.. wonder whatever became of that extra metadata categorisation for mythvideo |
| [12:30:24] | mzb_d800: | so what I've been doing is burning (it's dvb-t recorded so it's mpeg2), and then compressing and (usually) setting auto-expire |
| [12:30:27] | justinh: | seemed like an interesting idea |
| [12:31:08] | mzb_d800: | for editing ... fast machine + fast network + keyboard ... etc |
| [12:31:28] | gbee: | I've kept a few films, but only stuff that I particularly liked – otherwise I'm happy to scour the list of upcoming films for stuff I've never seen |
| [12:31:33] | mzb_d800: | workstation has been offline for months (thanks to Dell ... long story) |
| [12:31:49] | justinh: | gbee: should be able to crack on with the rest of the theme mangling from tomorrow. need to install linux properly since that darned VM turned out to be crap |
| [12:31:52] | mzb_d800: | yeah ... I guess I need to buy some taste ;) |
| [12:32:24] | justinh: | the keyboard layout was wrong, so I changed it to UK... and then it just stopped working properly |
| [12:32:54] | gbee: | mzb_d800: you've got taste, it's just very broad ;) |
| [12:33:07] | gbee: | justinh: ouch |
| [12:33:08] | mzb_d800: | shucks |
| [12:33:19] | mzb_d800: | (gettin' old) |
| [12:33:20] | justinh: | plus the Vmware player was annoying in the way it steals input til you press ctrl + alt |
| [12:33:42] | justinh: | be nicer if it was more like VNC in that respect |
| [12:34:07] | justinh: | anyway, compiling etc should be quicker running natively |
| [12:34:15] | clever: | justinh: i think if you install the proper vmware drivers inside the guest the mouse works better |
| [12:34:31] | clever: | until then, it has no way of knowing when the mouse is at the edge of the 'screen' |
| [12:34:40] | justinh: | sounds like BS to me |
| [12:34:53] | mzb_d800: | vmware tools fixes that |
| [12:34:56] | justinh: | anyway if the client can't survive a simple keyboard layout change... |
| [12:35:08] | mzb_d800: | (and improves video speed) |
| [12:35:28] | justinh: | it was fast enough to use for theme testing |
| [12:35:34] | mzb_d800: | [*apparently*] |
| [12:35:44] | mzb_d800: | yes ... but not fast enough for editing ;) |
| [12:35:51] | justinh: | just crumbled away to "a bit crap" after changing the layout |
| [12:36:08] | justinh: | not sure how much of that was gnome's fault though |
| [12:36:10] | mzb_d800: | (even on a q9550 with dual 8800GT) |
| [12:36:27] | mzb_d800: | [Dell have been *kind* enough to upgrade that since] |
| [12:36:59] | mzb_d800: | and *then* tried to charge me for the freight + restock !!!! |
| [12:37:06] | mzb_d800: | dirty buggers! |
| [12:37:10] | mzb_d800: | grrr |
| [12:37:17] | mzb_d800: | they're NOT going to win |
| [12:37:32] | justinh: | we thought that £200 laptop was a bit of a bargain. maybe it was, but it's also a bit of a suitcase |
| [12:38:06] | mzb_d800: | ie: I have two machines. I have paid for one. I only want one. If they want the original (faulty) machine back they can have it (at THEIR COST) |
| [12:38:20] | justinh: | fair dues, I'd say |
| [12:38:28] | justinh: | charge them for storing it |
| [12:38:40] | gbee: | still waiting for delivery of my Aspire One, £200 and definately not a suitcase – but equally not a machine you want to be working for long periods on |
| [12:38:40] | mzb_d800: | and for diagnosis! |
| [12:38:48] | mzb_d800: | and wasting my time |
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| [12:38:58] | mzb_d800: | oh ... and of course an accounting fee |
| [12:39:08] | justinh: | of course |
| [12:39:13] | mzb_d800: | 20% restock fee my @rse! |
| [12:39:39] | justinh: | gbee: still?! sheesh |
| [12:40:01] | gbee: | yep, apparently stock levels are still a problem :( |
| [12:40:07] | justinh: | I think I was quite smart in buying a 'slightly under £300' laptop |
| [12:40:11] | mzb_d800: | *every* step of my transaction with Dell has been a nightmare ... except for the part where I (aka someone else) paid for the system |
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| [12:40:24] | justinh: | compared to my wife's lowest common denominator vostro 1000 |
| [12:41:13] | justinh: | hmm. apparently my sisters are coming out to the club tonight. way to double the numbers! |
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| [12:42:14] | justinh: | I have this nasty sneaky feeling it's going to be rammed tonight. the night I plan to tell the boss I'm jacking it in |
| [12:42:17] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:42:52] | mzb_d800: | due to lack of interest? |
| [12:43:05] | justinh: | been tempted to dig into my own pocket to promote it properly |
| [12:43:22] | justinh: | lack of interest due to a lack of noticable promotion |
| [12:43:26] | ** mzb_d800 quickly runs outside for some fresh air ** | |
| [12:43:43] | justinh: | meaning they put a poster up in the bar & expected it to take off |
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| [12:50:08] | mzb_d800: | heh |
| [12:50:57] | justinh: | http://img507.imageshack.us/done.php?l=img507 . . . 04688ef2.jpg is the venue it's a revival night for. shady :P |
| [12:51:15] | justinh: | NB that was taken in 1989 or so. it's a little different now |
| [12:52:55] | clever: | thats nearly as old as i am! |
| [12:53:22] | Saviq: | they had cameras!? |
| [12:53:25] | Saviq: | ;) |
| [12:53:42] | Saviq: | or is that a painting? |
| [12:54:41] | justinh: | there's a video I made of the place on youtube somewhere |
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| [13:05:56] | mzb_d800: | f0rk I feel old(er) now |
| [13:07:06] | justinh: | age can do that to a person |
| [13:07:35] | mzb_d800: | yeah .... I feel that ;) |
| [13:07:39] | mzb_d800: | hmm .. "only as old as the woman you feel" comes to mind |
| [13:08:05] | mzb_d800: | speaking of which ... gnite all |
| [13:08:05] | justinh: | ahh the Michael Jackson theory of eternal youth |
| [13:08:09] | mzb_d800: | ;) |
| [13:08:15] | justinh: | g'night |
| [13:08:23] | mzb_d800: | (14 years difference ;) |
| [13:08:57] | mzb_d800: | (that would make me a dirty old man;) |
| [13:09:04] | gbee: | oh crap, just formatted a partition by accident ... nothing _really_ important on there, but annoying |
| [13:10:13] | ivor: | how formatted? a little or a lot? |
| [13:10:19] | mzb_d800: | lol |
| [13:10:41] | gbee: | I hit the format button instead of the mount button ... didn't have a confirmation dialog, which is stupid |
| [13:10:47] | ivor: | gbee: i.e. if you didn't zero everything then you can probably get anything important back. |
| [13:10:51] | ivor: | OUCH |
| [13:11:08] | clever: | stupid gui's:P |
| [13:11:15] | ivor: | that's crazy stupid. |
| [13:11:40] | gbee: | don't think it's going to be possible, was an encrypted partition |
| [13:11:54] | gbee: | nothing really important that isn't backed up somewhere |
| [13:12:07] | ivor: | you encrypt unimportant stuff???? :) wow. |
| [13:12:21] | justinh: | bah. Still 'unregistered. safe mode codec fail'. I'll effing give it FAIL |
| [13:12:27] | mzb_d800: | the crowd roars! |
| [13:12:48] | gbee: | ivor: heh, was experimenting with disk encryption a couple of years ago, nothing more than that |
| [13:13:00] | ivor: | well that'll teach you |
| [13:13:00] | ** mzb_d800 goes to find non-technical entertainment ** | |
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| [13:15:14] | justinh: | mmmmm crashy |
| [13:15:39] | justinh: | oh well. 75 minutes til hometime |
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| [13:17:27] | ivor: | wow you've started counting already? |
| [13:17:44] | webvictim: | hey, it's friday |
| [13:17:45] | webvictim: | slow day ;D |
| [13:17:54] | justinh: | we do after lunch, most days |
| [13:18:00] | ivor: | hold on.... 75 minutes just takes you up to mid afternoon coffee time. :/ |
| [13:18:03] | ivor: | grrr |
| [13:18:11] | ivor: | bastard |
| [13:18:11] | justinh: | flexi ftw! |
| [13:18:31] | ivor: | we have that. they don't mind how much extra time you work. |
| [13:19:16] | justinh: | what the job lacks in satisfaction & ease of getting in to work, it benefits us in terms of slacking, doing 'foreigners' and generally anything but work – so long as actual work is done |
| [13:20:28] | justinh: | ivor: ouchy |
| [13:20:59] | justinh: | my wife says her work has that policy too, but she plays by the book & doesn't seem any worse off for it |
| [13:23:36] | justinh: | hmm no responce from LWE guy yet |
| [13:23:53] | justinh: | er. response. jees I'm picking up bad spellings from forums |
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| [13:38:21] | keith4: | it's depressing being in channels with europeans; we're just starting our work day, and you're already counting down to happy hour |
| [13:41:39] | justinh: | think how depressing it is being in channels with people from all over the world who can't be bothered to help themselves :P |
| [13:42:53] | keith4: | oh, i know how that is |
| [13:42:53] | quicksilver: | it's always happy hour in europe |
| [13:42:55] | quicksilver: | *HIC* |
| [13:43:00] | quicksilver: | 24-hour drinking ftw. |
| [13:43:44] | keith4: | ... nice |
| [13:44:02] | justinh: | 24 hour drinking is a myth |
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| [13:45:24] | ivor: | yeah, 18 hours was my limit last time I tried. |
| [13:45:41] | quicksilver: | it's all about pacing. |
| [13:46:55] | justinh: | that's how southerners drink. spending 2 hours with one pint of warm beer |
| [13:47:44] | gbee: | is it a bad idea to resize an ext3 partition? |
| [13:48:01] | gbee: | as in, will data loss follow? |
| [13:48:40] | ivor: | should work just fine. |
| [13:49:49] | gbee: | ok, again shouldn't be anything too valuable – currently holds a few recordings and I'd like to resize it to use the space that was previously allocated to the now formatted partition |
| [13:50:12] | gbee: | but still, I'd prefer not to lose anything if it can be helped |
| [13:50:19] | justinh: | I didn't feel like risking my laptop music store to install linux so I backed it all up. I'm still gonna wait til a non-critical time to do the install though |
| [13:51:42] | gbee: | hmm, drakdisk won't let me do it ... guess I'll take that as a sign and leave things alone |
| [13:52:01] | ajh: | You don't resize ext3, you resize ext2. |
| [13:52:27] | gbee: | oh well screw that then, no way I'm messing about converting |
| [13:52:28] | ajh: | So you make sure it is in a consistent state, turn off journalling, resize. |
| [13:52:52] | ajh: | You want to get a document with instructions. |
| [13:53:37] | gbee: | yeah, it's not worth it to gain an extra two hours of recording space |
| [13:53:51] | ajh: | but probably is for the experience. |
| [13:54:07] | clever: | ahbritto_: resize2fs works fine on ext3 partitions for me |
| [13:54:12] | clever: | offline resizing |
| [13:54:15] | clever: | ajh: i mean |
| [13:54:31] | gbee: | ajh: another day maybe, I don't really have the time right now |
| [13:56:07] | justinh: | hahah.. "THE GOOGLE STREET MAP CAR IS ROUND WALLSEND NOW !i just managed to get in the window with a bodybuilding pose , dont know why but i did" |
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| [13:58:53] | ajh: | clever, yes but you turn off journalling to do it. |
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| [13:59:03] | ajh: | and make sure its clean. |
| [13:59:16] | clever: | ajh: i never had to do anything special, just the usual fsck -f that it demands |
| [13:59:35] | ajh: | That's basically it, but when I tell people how to do it I always say 'read a document' for liability reasons. :) |
| [13:59:46] | justinh: | ahhh |
| [13:59:49] | ajh: | If it is unmounted, then journalling is off. :) |
| [13:59:50] | justinh: | the new mythtv strapline |
| [13:59:55] | clever: | ive allready read over its man page |
| [13:59:57] | justinh: | "get a grown-up to install it for you" |
| [13:59:58] | clever: | ajh: ahhh thats what you mean |
| [14:00:15] | ajh: | Well, you can also do it with tune2fs I think,. |
| [14:00:20] | ajh: | but off-line is safer. |
| [14:00:28] | clever: | resize2fs will refuse to touch it until its clean |
| [14:00:32] | ajh: | I do recall an ols paper about online resizing. |
| [14:00:38] | clever: | and fsck will refuse to clean it until its umounted |
| [14:00:47] | clever: | the online resizing is totaly seperate |
| [14:00:57] | clever: | the kernel side code is cooperating with the resize |
| [14:01:08] | clever: | to give proper locking arround the sensitive areas as they are changed |
| [14:01:12] | ajh: | by the time I need resizing these days I've stuck in a bigger disk. :) |
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| [14:01:36] | clever: | most of my resize problems are the hour long waits for even small changes in size |
| [14:01:44] | clever: | it wants to scan over the entire thing several times |
| [14:01:58] | clever: | and having half my array on a 10mb/sec ide ribbon wasnt helping |
| [14:02:18] | ajh: | Yeah, I really need to go iscsi. |
| [14:02:33] | ajh: | Wish FC drives were cheaper, got a stack of fc cards here. :) |
| [14:02:58] | clever: | FC? |
| [14:03:08] | ajh: | fibrechannel |
| [14:03:18] | justinh: | sell the FC cards & get some nifty sata disks :) |
| [14:03:25] | ajh: | My main drive issue is always connectors. |
| [14:03:57] | ajh: | When I get free time I'll just get some small boxes and built them into iScsi targets. |
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| [14:04:20] | clever: | ive done similar before |
| [14:04:26] | clever: | nbd(network block device) |
| [14:04:36] | clever: | the main reason is im replacing 1 of the 4 drives in my array |
| [14:04:39] | ajh: | That always scared me a bit :) |
| [14:04:45] | clever: | so for a short while, i have 5 drives in the array |
| [14:04:51] | ajh: | Used NFS but NFS sucks badly for many things. |
| [14:04:55] | clever: | and ide can only handle 4 |
| [14:05:00] | justinh: | not for home use |
| [14:05:19] | ajh: | I'll have a 3750G here shortly so that'll let me do multi-channel gig-E. |
| [14:05:23] | justinh: | unless you're some kind of mental megalomaniac who needs a supercomputer in their house |
| [14:05:37] | clever: | ajh: 3,750gig?!?! |
| [14:05:38] | ajh: | My office is in the house. :) |
| [14:05:46] | ajh: | Hah, no Cisco 3750-G. |
| [14:05:55] | clever: | lol |
| [14:06:01] | ajh: | Actually it's a wireless access controller with a 3750-G built in. |
| [14:06:20] | ajh: | Sadly obsoleted after only 2 years of use. |
| [14:06:32] | ajh: | They're blowing up the building it was installed in. |
| [14:06:36] | clever: | lol |
| [14:06:49] | ajh: | Took 3 bloody weeks to wire in too. |
| [14:06:59] | ajh: | and I don't know how much toxic dust inhaled. |
| [14:07:00] | clever: | tear them out and pack your house with enough of them to cover several acres:P |
| [14:07:06] | justinh: | what kind of home office needs that kind of kit? |
| [14:07:10] | ajh: | That's what we're doing. |
| [14:07:12] | clever: | most hotels i go to have 3–4 AP's |
| [14:07:20] | clever: | 1 can cover my whole house |
| [14:07:27] | clever: | with 4 i can easily cover the entire yard |
| [14:07:27] | ajh: | Moving a bit out of town in a few months, probably 5–25 acres. |
| [14:07:47] | ajh: | Yeah, I'll be trying to get the neighbourhood linked up in a mesh actually to justify pulling in fibre. |
| [14:08:01] | clever: | ive seen some stuff for cheap mesh networking |
| [14:08:02] | ajh: | The perils of moving out of town. |
| [14:08:04] | clever: | solar powered |
| [14:08:09] | clever: | fully self contained relay node |
| [14:08:15] | ajh: | None of it really works well other than Wimax or N-spec. |
| [14:08:22] | clever: | just strap it to a telephone pole and ignore it |
| [14:08:23] | ** justinh prefers civilisation ** | |
| [14:08:35] | ajh: | I'll probably try the A/B/G AP's and get Cisco to mail me some N units for the difficult links. |
| [14:08:41] | clever: | it repeats the signal to the next nearest box and runs off solar |
| [14:08:52] | ajh: | justinh, been right downtown for 9 years, need a bit of space to do other work. |
| [14:08:55] | clever: | the problem is that most hardware for that isnt low power |
| [14:09:01] | ajh: | I'll buy a condo downtown again in a few. :) |
| [14:09:07] | ajh: | It's all PoE though. |
| [14:09:22] | clever: | heard of the one laptop per child project? |
| [14:09:26] | ajh: | The plan is a 25kv windmill. |
| [14:09:36] | ajh: | Yes, trying to work with them on a project now. |
| [14:09:44] | justinh: | still doesn't answer the question wtf you need gigE & FC disks in a home office for |
| [14:09:45] | ajh: | Pretty slow moving project, but that's my lack of free time. |
| [14:09:46] | clever: | the wifi card in that laptop |
| [14:09:55] | clever: | without the main cpu/mobo |
| [14:09:57] | clever: | can do mesh networking on its own |
| [14:09:59] | ajh: | justinh, fun? Most of my job is being up to date on things. |
| [14:10:22] | clever: | whcih means extra low power repeater |
| [14:10:26] | ajh: | clever, yes short range mesh is one thing, doing it where you get errors is another. |
| [14:10:41] | justinh: | fun? pervert ;) |
| [14:10:45] | ajh: | 802.11a/b/g have 1-bit error correction, so any noise and you jabber the link to hell. |
| [14:10:48] | clever: | ajh: i think the card in my d630 dell laptop is the same one, just with diff firmware |
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| [14:11:13] | ajh: | justinh, come on, I run an event for GCC Developers every year too, that shows some kind of masochistic streak surely. :) |
| [14:11:13] | clever: | yeah ive got a bit of an idea on how error correction works after reading the raid page on wikipedia |
| [14:11:35] | clever: | its able to recover whole gigs of data based on the related blocks and crc |
| [14:11:38] | justinh: | ajh: aye that nails it |
| [14:11:38] | ajh: | On 802.11abg it just doesn't work, if you have a bad link you give up. |
| [14:12:05] | ajh: | clever, depending on the raid level the amount of 'recovery' it can do is a whole lot less than you think. |
| [14:12:22] | clever: | ajh: if you have 1 set of crc blocks, then it can recover 1 lost drive |
| [14:12:31] | clever: | i assume it doesnt care how big the drive is |
| [14:12:51] | justinh: | what? |
| [14:12:55] | clever: | aslong as you have ~2 times that size in the other 2+ drives |
| [14:13:03] | clever: | if you raid 3 1TB drives with crc |
| [14:13:15] | clever: | then you can recover the whole lost 1tb if a drive goes tits up |
| [14:13:15] | quicksilver: | RAID does no error correction. |
| [14:13:23] | clever: | i mean the raid with the crc thing |
| [14:13:28] | quicksilver: | recover is totally different from correction. |
| [14:13:33] | ajh: | yeah, I run 1+0 here right now. |
| [14:13:35] | clever: | yeah |
| [14:13:51] | quicksilver: | 802.11* have actual correction, not just detection. |
| [14:13:52] | justinh: | recover == reconstruct |
| [14:14:00] | clever: | raid 3 i think |
| [14:14:00] | ajh: | Need to do something better, mozy is too slow but I hear there's an open project to do the same thing now. |
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| [14:14:07] | quicksilver: | detection requires n+1, correction requires 2n+1 |
| [14:14:07] | clever: | lets it rebuild missing data |
| [14:14:18] | quicksilver: | rebuild missing is not the same as correcting. |
| [14:14:18] | ** justinh goes to do something WAY less boring instead ** | |
| [14:14:30] | quicksilver: | rebuild missing means 'rip out this drive, we can sort it out' |
| [14:14:37] | quicksilver: | all 'proper' raid levels do that. |
| [14:14:50] | quicksilver: | correction means 'this drive is LYING to us, but we still get the right answer' |
| [14:14:57] | ajh: | Well, append and stripe are also raid. |
| [14:15:01] | quicksilver: | that's what wireless protocols do. |
| [14:15:02] | noclue: | so, is the deinterlacing gone in the current version of myth, or am i just missing it? |
| [14:15:02] | clever: | quicksilver: if you break the packet in half and then treat it as blocks of 'half half crc' it will be 50% bigger |
| [14:15:10] | ajh: | It is aRray of Inexpensive Discs after all. |
| [14:15:15] | justinh: | noclue: you're just missing it |
| [14:15:23] | justinh: | as in you've not found it yet |
| [14:15:27] | quicksilver: | ajh: no it's not :) |
| [14:15:34] | quicksilver: | ajh: the R is for 'Redundant' |
| [14:15:37] | ajh: | Not if you're a revisionist. |
| [14:15:48] | quicksilver: | although the term is now misused, which is why i included the qualifier 'proper' |
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| [14:16:01] | ajh: | The same acronym was used earlier. |
| [14:16:11] | quicksilver: | yes, I'm familiar with the story. |
| [14:16:17] | quicksilver: | anyhow, that's what I was meaning by 'proper' |
| [14:16:20] | clever: | the problem with adding extra data to repair the damage from the poor signal |
| [14:16:26] | clever: | is that you loose bandwidth |
| [14:16:34] | ajh: | I really should do something about getting my backup situation sorted so I can just stripe. |
| [14:16:35] | justinh: | now I know why people get pissed at OT talk in this channel. it's boring as fuck |
| [14:16:35] | noclue: | justinh: is it not under TV Settings > Playback anymore? |
| [14:16:51] | justinh: | noclue: playback profiles. and good luck figuring it out |
| [14:17:27] | justinh: | noclue: although the default now should at least have a basic deinterlacer – at least that's what I thought |
| [14:17:30] | ajh: | Yay, the h.264 sticks shipped... I'd better get the vm's setup. |
| [14:17:40] | noclue: | justinh: hehe thanks |
| [14:17:43] | ajh: | I should get some cloud stuff working too. |
| [14:18:24] | clever: | i would need some kind of repeater if i want any signal in the garage |
| [14:18:39] | clever: | but the problem is i allready loose the signal about 2 feet from the door |
| [14:18:50] | ajh: | clever, the rule is use wire where you can, wireless where you must. |
| [14:18:55] | clever: | id have to put the repeater outdoors in the middle of the driveway/lawn |
| [14:19:17] | ajh: | hrm, wonder where my 4' drill bit got to. |
| [14:19:22] | clever: | ajh: theres nothing to realy run the wire along, enless i just lay it across the driveway and wait for the snowblower to find it |
| [14:19:31] | ajh: | Go under. |
| [14:19:45] | clever: | and the wire i have isnt exactly designed to be water/weather proof |
| [14:19:49] | inkynoob: | As embarrassed as I am to admit this, I've never bought a video card before. What version of OpenGL support should I be looking for, and how much built-in RAM do i need? |
| [14:20:10] | justinh: | inkynoob: buy a nvidia 6200 or so |
| [14:20:33] | ajh: | just make sure you get the correct interface |
| [14:20:37] | clever: | and now that i think of it, all 3 of my realy long cords are in use so i cant even run one to the garage for a day |
| [14:20:37] | justinh: | if you don't need high-end performance for silly games like Crysis... |
| [14:21:32] | inkynoob: | It's just for a myth frontend, no games. The integrated video stutters badly when playing videos from Hulu. When I hook my brothers lap top up though they don't stutter at all |
| [14:21:47] | noclue: | wow, what a clusterfuck |
| [14:21:49] | ajh: | yesh, 1meg/sec to my coloc box, I remember getting that over ftp for the first time on ethernet. :) |
| [14:21:59] | justinh: | noclue: told ya |
| [14:22:45] | justinh: | inkynoob: cheap-ass nvidia card will be fine, teamed up with the nvidia binary driver |
| [14:22:47] | noclue: | justinh: indeed |
| [14:23:27] | inkynoob: | Like either of these? http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . amp;name=PCI |
| [14:23:53] | justinh: | only have pci on the machine? ouchy |
| [14:23:55] | noclue: | i don't even see anything about playback profiles in the wiki |
| [14:24:11] | justinh: | noclue: oh but there is. it doesn't make it much easier either |
| [14:24:29] | justinh: | you'll get the hang of it! |
| [14:24:31] | inkynoob: | yeah, PCI only |
| [14:24:43] | justinh: | inkynoob: best buy the PCI version then eh ;) |
| [14:24:48] | noclue: | hehe yikes |
| [14:24:50] | inkynoob: | :-) thanks |
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| [14:25:11] | ** justinh exclaims "five minutes!" ** | |
| [14:25:34] | PatrickDK: | justinh, till the destruction of this channel? |
| [14:25:42] | justinh: | escape route planned. jacket is in the car so nobody can tell when I've gone |
| [14:26:19] | justinh: | people have this nasty habit of seeing me on my way out & pestering |
| [14:26:37] | justinh: | without a jacket it looks inconspicuous |
| [14:30:01] | ** PatrickDK sounds the alarm at justinh's work :) ** | |
| [14:31:14] | noclue: | ah, that wasn't too bad. I didn't have to edit any profiles, i just had to use normal. i was on CPU+ by default for some reason |
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| [14:58:57] | gregL: | I am going to be building a new mythtv system today...Is there any advantage to 64 bit ubuntu over 32 bit? |
| [14:59:39] | iamlindoro: | It's 2X MOAR |
| [14:59:58] | quicksilver: | it's faster for some stuff |
| [15:00:02] | quicksilver: | and more broken for some other stuff. |
| [15:00:10] | iamlindoro: | Address more RAM, moderate performance increase on some things |
| [15:00:13] | ajh: | gregL, the only question is "do you need to run anything that is 32-bit binary only" |
| [15:00:16] | quicksilver: | I suspect that it is on balance not an advantage for an mythtv system. |
| [15:00:32] | quicksilver: | due to things like binary codecs, binary video drivers |
| [15:00:41] | clever: | wtf |
| [15:00:42] | ajh: | Otherwise the more people we have running 64 the more testing it sees. |
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| [15:00:45] | clever: | all my recordings are failing |
| [15:00:55] | quicksilver: | I have some faint memory of some 64 bit issues in certain tuner kernel modules? |
| [15:00:59] | clever: | 2008-08–15 11:58:02.670 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed |
| [15:00:59] | clever: | 2008-08–15 11:58:02.671 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 45. Reverting to kState_None |
| [15:01:02] | clever: | 2008-08–15 11:58:02.710 TVRec(1): Changing from RecordingOnly to None |
| [15:01:06] | quicksilver: | but that could have been misdiagnosise or long ago. |
| [15:01:07] | clever: | what could cause that to screw up? |
| [15:01:22] | iamlindoro: | quicksilver: None that I have run into in the last few years-- used to have some trouble with ivtv, but that was several years ago |
| [15:01:32] | quicksilver: | iamlindoro: good to know. |
| [15:01:45] | ajh: | gregL, that said I'm running Ubuntu 64 and having no issues that you're likely to run into. |
| [15:01:58] | iamlindoro: | I am satisfied with 64 bit as well, across the board |
| [15:02:30] | iamlindoro: | the ONLY thing I have run into that is a real direct myth thing is that the w64codecs package for mplayer is the SUCK and you can't play certain WMA audio with it |
| [15:02:41] | gregL: | ajh: ok thanks i think i will go that route then... |
| [15:02:45] | iamlindoro: | But ffmpeg is getting that decoder native this summer, so it's soon to not be an issue |
| [15:04:14] | gregL: | I have a decent system now but i want to get my HD-PVR running so i went the e8400 cpu and gigabyte MB...I hope it works... |
| [15:04:29] | sshirley: | Hi all. This is mostly a general Linux question but related to MythTV. Occasionally during certain operations in MyhTV (pressing 'next song' a number of times in MythMusic, or stopping a slideshow in MythGallery, etc)., MythTV will totally crash. Mind you, all these actions are performed with the remote control, so that might have something to do with it (as the service fails to start yet it still functions). Is there anywhere on m |
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| [15:08:18] | iamlindoro: | sshirley: A backtrace at the time of the crash (or at the very least frontend and backend log output) are going to be necessary to do anything for you. |
| [15:08:23] | clever: | yay more crashy crashy |
| [15:09:12] | sshirley: | iamlindo: how do mean? how do I perform a backtrace? |
| [15:10:05] | iamlindoro: | sshirley: There are detailed instructions in the troubleshooting section of the myth manual |
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| [15:12:29] | clever: | no answer at all as to why my recordings are failing? |
| [15:13:06] | iamlindoro: | you've hacked mythtv to bits and it doesn't even remember what program it is? |
| [15:13:33] | clever: | i tried to change my pvr150 card to recording with its internal tuner |
| [15:13:37] | clever: | but it was just stuck on channel 2 |
| [15:13:56] | clever: | now i cant even get it to record on the stb(composite 1 input) |
| [15:13:56] | clever: | livetv works though which is weird |
| [15:14:00] | Shadow__X: | by failing do you mean no recording or it recording and it failes prematurely |
| [15:14:00] | Shadow__X: | ivtv-tune? |
| [15:14:10] | clever: | mythbackend knows it failed |
| [15:14:26] | Shadow__X: | is this the machine that didnt want to boot |
| [15:14:28] | clever: | 2008-08–15 11:58:02.670 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed |
| [15:14:32] | clever: | 2008-08–15 11:58:02.671 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 45. Reverting to kState_None |
| [15:14:56] | clever: | Shadow__X: yes, and it was working fine until i messes with the input connections |
| [15:15:07] | sshirley: | iamlindo: read the section and it didn't help :-) |
| [15:15:59] | Shadow__X: | just make sure the card is right sometimes it didnt work for me |
| [15:16:17] | clever: | Shadow__X: livetv works, so the card itself is working |
| [15:16:18] | Shadow__X: | can you change the channel using ivtv-tune and use mplayer to watch |
| [15:16:19] | Shadow__X: | try that |
| [15:16:28] | sshirley: | Well, there is a section on debugging with gdb. That's probably what I am looking for. But that is horrible. |
| [15:16:56] | clever: | Shadow__X: im not trying to use the internal tuner anymore, i gave up on that |
| [15:17:05] | clever: | Shadow__X: im using a channel change script like before |
| [15:17:21] | iamlindoro: | sshirley: How is it horrible? Yes, that is what you are looking for. It doesn't have to make sense to *you*, it has to make sense to the person helping you |
| [15:17:42] | sshirley: | Though that document did alert me to something. Anyone know about how to set settings on SATA devices? There seems to be VERY little documentation on SDPARM out there. |
| [15:17:45] | Shadow__X: | clever, use the things i have said that should help you out |
| [15:18:28] | clever: | Shadow__X: i did ivtv-tune -c 20 and then cat'ed /dev/video0 |
| [15:18:36] | Shadow__X: | did that work |
| [15:18:37] | clever: | i got channel 45(which is what composite1 is fed) |
| [15:18:56] | clever: | its using the wrong input to begin with |
| [15:19:01] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [15:19:08] | Shadow__X: | how many video devices do you have |
| [15:19:16] | clever: | a single pvr150 card |
| [15:19:21] | Shadow__X: | no no |
| [15:19:23] | Shadow__X: | in /dev |
| [15:19:37] | clever: | 0 24 and 32 |
| [15:19:46] | sshirley: | iamlindoro: very true. i'll do that soon. i'd really like my system to be a lot more stable. |
| [15:19:55] | Shadow__X: | if video0 is giving you composite why dont you try another |
| [15:19:56] | clever: | i beleive one acts like a frame grabber and another an encoder |
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| [15:20:21] | clever: | 24 gives me an unplayable file |
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| [15:20:44] | clever: | 32 also cant be played |
| [15:21:24] | Shadow__X: | use tvtime to look at 24 and 32 |
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| [15:22:10] | clever: | not installed |
| [15:23:16] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [15:23:21] | clever: | dpkg is being slow |
| [15:23:25] | clever: | (Reading database ... |
| [15:23:32] | clever: | it allways sits there for ages:P |
| [15:23:45] | Shadow__X: | dont destroy your machines? |
| [15:23:46] | clever: | (Reading database ... 214251 files and directories currently installed.) |
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| [15:25:56] | clever: | Shadow__X: videoinput: Card failed to allocate capture buffers: Invalid argument |
| [15:25:57] | Shadow__X: | is there anything else that i can use to watch mythtv recordings while retaining recording info besides the fe and totem |
| [15:25:59] | clever: | Thank you for using tvtime. |
| [15:26:07] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [15:26:12] | Shadow__X: | bad idea i guess |
| [15:26:34] | clever: | and a recording will try to start in the next 2mins |
| [15:26:40] | Shadow__X: | yay |
| [15:26:48] | clever: | doesnt mean it will work:P |
| [15:26:51] | Shadow__X: | so itll fail |
| [15:27:02] | clever: | i just scheduled one to start at 12:30 to test it sooner |
| [15:27:25] | Shadow__X: | what else can i use to watch mythtv recordings besides the fe |
| [15:27:44] | Shadow__X: | and clever does watching livetv in mythtv work |
| [15:27:45] | gbee: | your eyes |
| [15:27:46] | clever: | mplayer works most of the time |
| [15:27:59] | clever: | Shadow__X: i allready said it a few times, livetv works fine |
| [15:28:00] | Shadow__X: | thanks gbee i will try |
| [15:28:09] | Shadow__X: | hmm then that doesnt make sense |
| [15:28:13] | clever: | i know |
| [15:28:23] | clever: | and it just blew up again |
| [15:28:36] | gbee: | which version of ivtv? |
| [15:28:37] | clever: | 2008-08–15 12:28:03.456 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed |
| [15:28:38] | clever: | 2008-08–15 12:28:03.458 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 11. Reverting to kState_None |
| [15:29:18] | clever: | gbee: how would i find out, i dont see it in modinfo |
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| [15:30:40] | clever: | root 6254 0.0 0.0 1740 464 ? D 04:48 0:00 modprobe -v lirc_pvr150 |
| [15:30:47] | clever: | that may also be screwing with the card |
| [15:31:24] | gbee: | ivtvctl --version |
| [15:31:37] | clever: | ivtvctl version 1.0.3 (tagged release) |
| [15:31:40] | clever: | ivtvctl version 1.0.3 (tagged release) |
| [15:31:42] | clever: | oops |
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| [15:32:08] | gbee: | cat /sys/module/ivtv/version |
| [15:32:21] | clever: | 1.1.0 |
| [15:32:56] | clever: | ahh i see that in modinfo now |
| [15:33:26] | clever: | next question! |
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| [15:36:33] | clever: | o shit |
| [15:36:47] | clever: | one of my slave backends is stuck in a log spaming inf loop |
| [15:37:32] | clever: | all because the qt/mysql package is missing:P |
| [15:37:47] | clever: | dont see how that is harming the recordings though |
| [15:38:41] | clever: | gbee: testing livetv in frontend |
| [15:38:56] | clever: | works |
| [15:39:25] | clever: | somewhat |
| [15:39:29] | clever: | it refuses to change channel |
| [15:39:58] | clever: | 2008-08–15 12:38:55.261 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 20. |
| [15:40:01] | clever: | 2008-08–15 12:38:55.261 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 20. |
| [15:40:29] | alcoheca: | I've been searching but I can't pin down what's different between recording states – 'Recording' and 'Currently Recording'. can anyone explain? |
| [15:40:46] | clever: | wee, another coredump! |
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| [15:42:00] | clever: | when i try to change the channel the backend doesnt do shit(not running channel changer) |
| [15:42:04] | clever: | it just gives up |
| [15:42:16] | alcoheca: | sheesh what I meant to compare was Recording and Currently Recorded |
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| [15:43:04] | clever: | Shadow__X: wb |
| [15:43:18] | Shadow__X: | thanks blame dells shitty batteries |
| [15:43:38] | clever: | yeah |
| [15:43:45] | clever: | my dell c600 doesnt even last 1 second any more |
| [15:43:57] | clever: | and it claims to be unplugged half the time |
| [15:43:57] | Shadow__X: | you can find batts on ebay |
| [15:43:59] | clever: | when it isnt |
| [15:44:58] | clever: | i can get livetv to 'work' but it refuses to change channels |
| [15:45:15] | clever: | it runs the channel changer when livetv starts but wont use it again |
| [15:45:29] | clever: | 2008-08–15 12:45:22.023 Channel(/dev/video0): SetInputAndFormat() failed |
| [15:45:29] | clever: | 2008-08–15 12:45:22.025 TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 20. |
| [15:45:32] | Shadow__X: | hm |
| [15:45:40] | Shadow__X: | maybe its something dumb |
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| [15:45:57] | clever: | id like to reboot but it takes 20mins to recover from that |
| [15:46:10] | clever: | it locks up during boot and when i kick it, the thing continues to start services with root mounted ro |
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| [15:46:18] | clever: | which causes all hell to break loose |
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| [15:50:10] | ajh: | hrm, apparently I've built up a pile of orphaned files over the months. |
| [15:50:14] | ajh: | no GC on those eh? |
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| [15:50:54] | Shadow__X: | clever, why dont you just backup and reinstall |
| [15:51:39] | clever: | Shadow__X: it would take me a week to redo all the config |
| [15:52:07] | Shadow__X: | backup all the configs |
| [15:52:19] | Shadow__X: | its going to take you a week to figure out whats wrong |
| [15:52:28] | clever: | it would still take a week to find out what configs i need to restore |
| [15:52:38] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [15:52:39] | Shadow__X: | ok |
| [15:52:43] | clever: | and i cant shut my services down that long |
| [15:52:44] | Shadow__X: | but then it would atleast start |
| [15:52:50] | clever: | even a 30min reboot is stretching it |
| [15:53:11] | ajh: | If it's that critical consider HA> |
| [15:53:19] | clever: | ajh: HA? |
| [15:53:27] | ajh: | High Availability, using 2 systems. |
| [15:53:30] | iamlindoro: | Hell's Angels |
| [15:53:37] | ajh: | Like with Piranha. |
| [15:53:43] | iamlindoro: | Pay them to break the kneecaps of anyone trying to use your servers |
| [15:53:47] | clever: | ajh: im somewhat doing that, a 2nd system is booting nfsroot from the 1st |
| [15:53:51] | ajh: | Though I think they call it something else now. |
| [15:53:52] | iamlindoro: | Then you can afford all the downtime you like |
| [15:53:57] | clever: | but the 1st is still needed to keep both up |
| [15:54:18] | ajh: | Yeah, a mirrored HA config makes that moot. |
| [15:54:21] | jams: | that doesn't sound HA to me |
| [15:54:37] | clever: | ajh: i have chunks of my stuff under svn so i can easily sync the changes between systems |
| [15:55:02] | ajh: | Still, if one of 2 goes down and takes the 2nd, you've just reduced your reliabilty by about 33%. |
| [15:55:12] | ajh: | If they're 100% interdependant, then 50%. |
| [15:55:20] | clever: | yeah |
| [15:55:34] | clever: | what i have atm, 1–3 laptops netbooting off the central server |
| [15:55:45] | clever: | if the central one goes down, all 4 go down |
| [15:56:12] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, thats very old school |
| [15:57:22] | iamlindoro: | That's how I do |
| [15:57:23] | clever: | i have a feeling my interfaces config is outdated and the stupid scripts are chocking on it |
| [15:58:38] | gbee: | clever: is this the analogue tuner on the PVR150? |
| [15:58:57] | clever: | gbee: yes its a pvr150 |
| [15:59:04] | clever: | currently im trying to just get it to run my channel changer for the external box |
| [15:59:14] | clever: | box it only runs it on certain conditions |
| [15:59:22] | clever: | livetv or backend startup |
| [15:59:32] | clever: | but never on an actual channel change:P |
| [15:59:55] | gbee: | ok, that's what I mean – are you connected to an STB using composite/svideo or using the built in analogue tuner on the card |
| [16:00:07] | clever: | connected to an STB thru composite1 |
| [16:00:50] | gbee: | right, permissions ok? is it a lirc (ir blaster) change script? |
| [16:01:01] | clever: | yes its a lirc script |
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| [16:01:06] | clever: | and currently the lirc driver is fucked |
| [16:01:14] | clever: | so i just commented out the irsend |
| [16:01:22] | clever: | im manualy changing the channels for it |
| [16:01:31] | clever: | but its not even trying to run the script to begin with |
| [16:01:52] | gbee: | hmm, might be a setup issue then |
| [16:02:01] | clever: | i changed the input connections |
| [16:02:04] | clever: | and now it doesnt work |
| [16:02:13] | clever: | (in mythtv-setup) |
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| [16:05:40] | clever: | gbee: we could just toss the STB out and use the tuner in the card itself |
| [16:05:49] | clever: | thats what i was trying to do when i screwed the config up |
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| [16:06:21] | cleverca: | (still here) |
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| [16:08:23] | gbee: | cleverca: can't really help, I don't use my PVR-150 anymore and can't remember the details of setting it up |
| [16:08:40] | cleverca: | :( |
| [16:08:50] | gbee: | hope I never have to use it, or anything like it again ... DVB ftw |
| [16:09:00] | cleverca: | ship the card my way then:P |
| [16:09:07] | cleverca: | * Setting the system clock |
| [16:09:07] | cleverca: | * Starting basic networking... better work you fucker |
| [16:09:18] | cleverca: | and once again the bootup crashes |
| [16:09:48] | gbee: | cleverca: holding onto it for now just in case I can extend my garden camera cable |
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| [16:10:14] | cleverca: | ah |
| [16:10:33] | gbee: | but at least with that I don't have to worry about ir blasters etc |
| [16:11:10] | cleverca: | how about we just ignore the blaster and get the thing tuning raw coax? |
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| [16:20:24] | Shadow__X: | is there a gnome applet that functions like google saerch |
| [16:20:51] | Shadow__X: | such as 5 mpg in kmh |
| [16:20:57] | Shadow__X: | mph* |
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| [17:19:21] | Dibblah: | tocirpas |
| [17:19:23] | Dibblah: | Argh. |
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| [17:33:56] | clever: | wagnerrp: still there? |
| [17:35:44] | wagnerrp: | still here? i havent talked in ~10hrs. i only just now got back on the computer |
| [17:36:30] | andreax: | giggle... |
| [17:37:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: maybe i mixed you up with gbee |
| [17:37:27] | clever: | gbee: still there? |
| [17:38:37] | rimbob: | rofl |
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| [17:39:04] | andreax: | 190 questions like that left... hihi... |
| [17:39:32] | wagnerrp: | little do i know, clever is actually watching me through my webcam |
| [17:39:48] | wagnerrp: | even though it is disconnected, does not have drivers installed, and is hidden behind my monitor |
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| [17:40:25] | kormoc: | andreax, are you saying that one day he'll run out of questions? |
| [17:40:40] | clever: | my master backend was screwing up too much |
| [17:40:46] | clever: | so i moved the card to another system |
| [17:41:22] | andreax: | I saw 192 people in this channel... 192–2 already asked questions = 190 left... :) But 1 left, so 189... Just a joke clever, don't take it serios... :) |
| [17:41:42] | clever: | the ir blaster is still toast but i havent upgraded that system yet |
| [17:42:56] | clever: | seems to be working just fine |
| [17:43:54] | dustybin: | what do you guys think of HTPC cases with LCD screens built in? |
| [17:44:02] | wagnerrp: | pointless |
| [17:44:05] | clever: | now to get a shower |
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| [17:44:24] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: it saves turning the tv on if you want to play some music? |
| [17:44:38] | wagnerrp: | if you want a couple line VFD, thats fine, but a full LCD seems overkill |
| [17:44:48] | andreax: | dustybin: I would love a touchscreen would work with myth, so I could throw all my hifi-stuff (except the amplifier) outta window... |
| [17:45:03] | wagnerrp: | and for an extra ~$300 on the price, you can afford to turn the TV on a bit |
| [17:45:13] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [17:45:20] | wagnerrp: | and (at the moment) mythmusic looks like ass |
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| [17:46:12] | dustybin: | my backend uses 145–150W of power |
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| [17:55:31] | sshirley: | Does anyone know if MythWeather has a setting someone (not in the GUI; maybe in a text file somewhere) that determines screen width? I notice that MW only really displays the data on the left-hand side of the scrren. It's as if it thinks it's on a 4:3 TV, whereas I have a 16:9 HDTV. |
| [17:56:36] | sshirley: | It's not a system-wide setting because other modules display just fine (like MythMusic). |
| [17:58:20] | egyn: | Hi, i'm interested in using mythv but need to talk to about it, yes i've read some of the forum topics. I'm building a new computer which i want to use as my "secondary" workstation while at the same time use it for media. Initially I will learn things by running it on ubuntu. I wonder if it is possible for me to work on the comupter and output the display on an lcd but "forward" the tv-signals to another tv, say 20m a |
| [17:58:49] | egyn: | (I have no idea how mythtv functions as of today) |
| [17:58:55] | egyn: | nor have i seen it in action |
| [18:00:05] | sshirley: | MythWeather anyone? :-) |
| [18:01:05] | andreax: | egyn: I've done something like that in the past. I watched tv on a 7" mini lcd (from nvidia tv-out) via fbas. The vga mon resides for normal jobs in a normal x session. Its a lil hard to config this, but it was possible on my machine... |
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| [18:03:13] | egyn: | andreax: i've got an ati-card atm which might complicate things |
| [18:03:33] | egyn: | maybe.. ? =) |
| [18:03:47] | andreax: | egyn: Now I bought a 32" LCDTV with just another lowend pc as mythfrontend client. The backend is still usable with other stuff while watching streamed tv... |
| [18:04:18] | andreax: | egyn: Hm. Maybe. I never owned an ATI... but I would guess its also possible.... After tons of reading and frickling and failing.. :) |
| [18:04:20] | egyn: | andreax: to make things clear for me. your backend = client? |
| [18:04:31] | wagnerrp: | egyn: ideally, you would just have two separate cards, and run two independent X servers, one on each monitor |
| [18:04:53] | wagnerrp: | but you should be able to do something with a dualhead card |
| [18:05:05] | wagnerrp: | if you can get the ATI binary drivers working |
| [18:05:09] | wagnerrp: | thats a bit tricky |
| [18:05:15] | andreax: | egyn: mythtv is seperated in 2 parts. A Backend (managing recordings, etc.) and a frontend. The Backend is the server. The frontend the client... |
| [18:05:42] | egyn: | wagnerrp: i'm kinda limited atm since i need to use DVB-C (too costly atm with two cards) |
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| [18:07:52] | andreax: | dvb-c in germany is a complete no-go imho.... |
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| [18:08:05] | egyn: | andreax: good. what i want to be able to do is work with the computer in my room while my gf is watching tv. this would mean that my computer would act as a front-/backend. Is it possible for me to work in one x-session and her to navigate in another? |
| [18:08:10] | egyn: | andreax: i live in sweden |
| [18:08:19] | andreax: | I would prefer dvb-s, but I cant, so I've to reside with dvb-t |
| [18:08:21] | bsdfox: | egyn: yes |
| [18:08:33] | bsdfox: | egyn: search for "multi headed linux" |
| [18:09:07] | andreax: | egyn: Yeah, this is possible.... but needs a "tricky" x-server config.... |
| [18:09:32] | bsdfox: | it's actually pretty simple |
| [18:09:38] | andreax: | :) |
| [18:09:47] | egyn: | bsdfox: ok, i'll read up on it right away |
| [18:09:49] | andreax: | Point of View Depending... :) |
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| [18:15:58] | egyn: | so.. currently my motherboard has vga/dvi/hdmi (integrated gfx/sound/cpu), can i then output mythtv on .. x-screen 0 which displays on vga (in the living room) while at the same time work in x-screen 1 through dvi (in another room)? |
| [18:16:18] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
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| [18:16:29] | egyn: | bsdfox: still readingup on your suggested topic |
| [18:16:47] | egyn: | iamlindoro: good to hear |
| [18:16:53] | egyn: | i'll keep on reading/learning |
| [18:17:09] | andreax: | egyn: I wonder how long are the cables ? |
| [18:18:10] | egyn: | andreax: this is one of my concerns. i would like to output hd-material to the livingroom (dvi/hdmi) and i've read somewhere that there is some "limit" of a few meters.. is this correct? |
| [18:19:00] | egyn: | ("in another room" implies that i've got the computers in the computer room with approx 1.5m dvi cable) |
| [18:19:06] | andreax: | egyn: I can't say for hdmi or dvi. But im using a 5m VGA Cable here. Its not bad quality but at 1280x1024 i got some shadows... |
| [18:19:29] | egyn: | andreax: i might want to use a longer cable |
| [18:19:44] | egyn: | which might cause a problem.. |
| [18:20:16] | bsdfox: | I think with DVI a longer cable should be ok |
| [18:20:17] | andreax: | egyn: Better idea would be to place a lowend frontend to this room and wire it via ethernet... imho |
| [18:20:34] | bsdfox: | andreax: that's not a solution |
| [18:20:38] | bsdfox: | "buy another computer" |
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| [18:21:01] | egyn: | iamlindoro: so this would not require me to use two graphic cards? |
| [18:21:17] | andreax: | bsdfox: Got an 633Mhz Celeron here... Maybe I present it... :) But you're right... |
| [18:21:20] | bsdfox: | egyn: as long as your card is multi headed you are fine |
| [18:22:10] | egyn: | bsdfox: umm.. by "fine" you mean i can output different sessions on the dvi/vga? |
| [18:22:39] | bsdfox: | egyn: I used to have my mythfrontend run off my desktop (same room, but same idea) and it worked fine |
| [18:23:10] | bsdfox: | egyn: you can run several X sessions |
| [18:23:20] | egyn: | andreax: umm.. do you mean a lowend backend? |
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| [18:24:20] | egyn: | bsdfox: that sounds good. |
| [18:25:01] | andreax1: | I can find 20m DVI-Cables. Is that enough ? |
| [18:25:23] | egyn: | andreax: umm.. "Better idea would be to place a lowend frontend to this room and wire it via ethernet... imho". Do you mean backendend? |
| [18:25:29] | ** egyn is a bit confused here :) ** | |
| [18:26:07] | egyn: | andreax, that distance might be ok. will the quality of the signal be crappy at that distance? |
| [18:26:16] | egyn: | do i need some.. adapters/amplification |
| [18:26:28] | ** egyn is a novice with modern hdtv hardware/wires and so on ** | |
| [18:26:38] | andreax1: | egyn: No idea, I never used any of them.... :) |
| [18:26:54] | wagnerrp: | what you need is better shielded VGA cable |
| [18:27:48] | egyn: | so.. can i let my girlfriend control the mythtv-session from a remote control while working on my display? |
| [18:27:58] | egyn: | using my mouse/kb |
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| [18:28:18] | wagnerrp: | LIRC works independently of the mouse and keyboard |
| [18:28:26] | egyn: | and LRIC stands for? |
| [18:28:42] | wagnerrp: | but if you want her to be using her own mouse and keyboard, you need two independent X servers, each running on their own dedicated video card |
| [18:28:52] | wagnerrp: | LIRC = linux infrared remote control |
| [18:29:04] | wagnerrp: | its a system for using a remote with your computer |
| [18:29:10] | wagnerrp: | most people using mythtv use this |
| [18:29:26] | egyn: | i guess i will use this too |
| [18:29:56] | egyn: | can mythtv can handle my music-collection also? |
| [18:30:08] | egyn: | i'm thinking media-center here |
| [18:30:18] | egyn: | like on windows |
| [18:30:29] | egyn: | (beginner question) |
| [18:30:29] | andreax1: | mythtv is better imho... |
| [18:30:51] | egyn: | i just need to confirm my thoughts with someone who use the software |
| [18:31:42] | andreax1: | egyn: Why not just test it – as far I can tell mythv won't bite... ;) |
| [18:31:52] | egyn: | is it possible to test without a tv-card? |
| [18:32:02] | egyn: | just streaming and using front-/backends |
| [18:34:30] | egyn: | wagnerrp: umm.. so will her mouse/keyboard be "tied" to hear x-server? |
| [18:34:32] | andreax1: | egyn: Good question, I never tried it.... |
| [18:34:50] | egyn: | andreax1: me neitehr :) the tv-cards are a bit expensive |
| [18:34:58] | egyn: | (digital dvb-c) |
| [18:35:17] | egyn: | i could try an analog cheap one though just to test the concepts |
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| [18:35:35] | egyn: | but that is not adequate for the future |
| [18:35:38] | wagnerrp: | you cant not have two sets of independent keyboard/mouse one X server |
| [18:35:44] | wagnerrp: | you need two for that |
| [18:35:51] | wagnerrp: | meaning you need two video cards |
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| [18:36:04] | wagnerrp: | (two servers cannot share dual head on a single card) |
| [18:36:35] | egyn: | wagnerrp: what is the meaning of "dual head"? |
| [18:36:49] | wagnerrp: | dual head = two heads |
| [18:36:50] | wagnerrp: | two monitors |
| [18:37:01] | andreax1: | egyn: 2 vga/dvi/anything connectors on your card... |
| [18:37:06] | egyn: | ok, not two tv-cards |
| [18:37:52] | egyn: | ok let me get this straight then |
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| [18:39:48] | egyn: | i would "have" to buya second gfx-card which i use for outputting media to the tv in the living room (x server 0) and use a LIRC (usb-connection?). then i can use the computer in my room on the first gfx-card using my mouse/keyboard (wirelless usb) |
| [18:39:51] | egyn: | right? |
| [18:39:53] | egyn: | :) |
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| [18:40:38] | wagnerrp: | if youre using LIRC, you dont need a second video card |
| [18:41:07] | wagnerrp: | with LIRC, you can control mythfrontend directly |
| [18:41:16] | andreax1: | egyn: The oher idea would be to place the pc where you want to work with it. Cable the gierlfriends tv with a long cable to that pc, and use keyboad and mouse there... Then you buy a mce remote control and longer the receiver and place it at girlfriends tv and use lirc for controlling the frontend. |
| [18:41:24] | wagnerrp: | the second X server is needed if you want to run two sets of keyboards/mice |
| [18:42:01] | wagnerrp: | with LIRC, you can run two outputs on the current video card |
| [18:42:07] | wagnerrp: | lock the mouse to the one screen |
| [18:42:10] | andreax1: | So she's got no keyboard, just the remote control (seems like a normal receiver for her) and you use mouse and keyboard locally.. |
| [18:42:13] | egyn: | wagnerrp: does LIRC imply mouse/keyboard over usb? |
| [18:42:23] | wagnerrp: | NO |
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| [18:42:30] | wagnerrp: | keyboard and mouse is keyboard and mouse |
| [18:42:35] | wagnerrp: | LIRC is a remote control |
| [18:42:41] | egyn: | lirc is only the remote control? |
| [18:42:42] | dustybin: | thats quite a good idea, using a frontend as a normal desktop pc as well as a mythtv frontned |
| [18:42:42] | egyn: | ok |
| [18:42:43] | wagnerrp: | like the thing you control your TV with |
| [18:43:10] | egyn: | dustybin: i agree – that is why i want to know how to do it :) |
| [18:43:12] | wagnerrp: | LIRC uses an infrared receiver, and then controls the programs directly by simulating keyboard input |
| [18:43:21] | andreax1: | dustybin: I've done it here until I bought the other client and that 32" tv on a tiny sweety 7" lcd... :) |
| [18:43:50] | wagnerrp: | but it is not a keyboard, it does not run through the standard mechanism, so it will not interfere with your desktop as a real keyboard/mouse would |
| [18:43:57] | andreax1: | Since then I wonder if I should replace my car radio with a pc... :) |
| [18:44:31] | egyn: | wagnerrp: ok. that means i can use my kb/mouse on my x-server and work on .. say gimp... while she controls the other server using lirc |
| [18:44:42] | andreax1: | exactly |
| [18:44:44] | egyn: | then it is just a matter of solving the wireing |
| [18:44:52] | wagnerrp: | wrong |
| [18:44:57] | egyn: | darn =) |
| [18:45:01] | wagnerrp: | with LIRC, you do not need two separate X servers |
| [18:45:05] | andreax1: | you only have to longer the usb cable of he receiver... |
| [18:45:10] | wagnerrp: | you use one server, and you set up two screens on the one X server |
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| [18:45:38] | wagnerrp: | you lock the pointer to the screen you want to work on (not sure how to do that but im sure it can be done) |
| [18:45:42] | egyn: | wagnerrp: so i would output myth to screen 1 and work on my 0 |
| [18:45:48] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [18:45:58] | andreax1: | Ops, I not read "the other server". With that scenario you can just use one x server with 2 screens |
| [18:45:59] | egyn: | interesting |
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| [18:46:39] | wagnerrp: | sorry im being a bit abrupt with you |
| [18:46:48] | wagnerrp: | but i keep having to alt-tab out of a game... :P |
| [18:47:05] | egyn: | wagnerrp: hehe that is not a problem |
| [18:47:10] | egyn: | for me |
| [18:47:13] | egyn: | keep on playing |
| [18:49:16] | egyn: | interesting. i'll check up on wires and maximum wire lengths noww |
| [18:49:47] | egyn: | i've got a 5m dvi cable at the momentn, how long can they be before i as an amature become annoyed |
| [18:50:12] | wagnerrp: | that depends on the wire gauge and shielding |
| [18:50:33] | wagnerrp: | the fatter the gauge (lower the number), the less resistance there is, and the further it will go |
| [18:50:49] | egyn: | what does "wire gauge" mean? (im swedish) |
| [18:50:52] | wagnerrp: | so cheap 28AWG cable, i wouldnt trust more than 1–2m |
| [18:51:17] | wagnerrp: | the DVI cable is made of some 20 or so individual wires |
| [18:51:19] | egyn: | how can i tell what type of a cable i get? as in the shop? |
| [18:51:24] | wagnerrp: | gauge is the fatness of each wire |
| [18:51:30] | egyn: | k |
| [18:51:48] | wagnerrp: | no idea, where i buy most of my wire (monoprice.com), they list it |
| [18:51:51] | egyn: | why is there no optical monitor-cables? |
| [18:51:54] | egyn: | or is there? |
| [18:51:58] | ** egyn novice ** | |
| [18:52:02] | egyn: | would it help? |
| [18:52:05] | wagnerrp: | cost of optical systems |
| [18:52:15] | egyn: | okay |
| [18:52:19] | wagnerrp: | Matrox makes an optical monitor cable |
| [18:52:39] | wagnerrp: | but it requires a box on either end to translate into standard connections |
| [18:52:40] | egyn: | but it is posslbe to find 20m dvi-cables? |
| [18:52:49] | egyn: | (i'll check that site right away) |
| [18:52:53] | wagnerrp: | i think it runs some 250m or so |
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| [18:53:14] | wagnerrp: | i doubt they will ship to Sweden |
| [18:53:16] | egyn: | but hdmi is much more expensive compared to dvi? |
| [18:53:29] | egyn: | i'll check the site just to see what exists |
| [18:53:31] | wagnerrp: | HDMI IS DVI |
| [18:53:35] | egyn: | ah |
| [18:53:37] | wagnerrp: | theyre electronically compatible |
| [18:53:38] | egyn: | dvi + sound |
| [18:53:44] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [18:53:59] | wagnerrp: | HDMI is so much more expensive because it can be |
| [18:54:09] | wagnerrp: | people are willing to pay for it, because they dont know better |
| [18:54:11] | egyn: | and different connectrs |
| [18:54:12] | rimbob: | =P |
| [18:54:38] | egyn: | wagnerrp: the tv-retailers here i belive make profits on the cables, not the tvs |
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| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | 20m is probably pushing the limits |
| [18:54:58] | wagnerrp: | but get some very nice cable, and it might work |
| [18:55:16] | egyn: | well, if i place the computer in the middle i'l go 10m in each way |
| [18:55:17] | egyn: | :) |
| [18:55:28] | egyn: | next to the toilet maybe |
| [18:55:35] | egyn: | nah =) |
| [18:55:35] | rimbob: | what |
| [18:55:36] | wagnerrp: | monoprice has some 100ft (30m) cables |
| [18:55:45] | wagnerrp: | but theyre 22AWG, fat stuff |
| [18:55:49] | egyn: | AWG? |
| [18:56:07] | wagnerrp: | american something gauge |
| [18:56:22] | Penfold: | wire |
| [18:56:28] | Dagmar: | Ya'll are crazy |
| [18:56:28] | wagnerrp: | ah, that makes sense |
| [18:56:29] | egyn: | it is a little bit annoying though that i cannot use the dvi/hdmi at the same time. i have to choose between hdmi/vga or dvi/vga |
| [18:56:37] | Dagmar: | http://www.datapro.net/techinfo/dvi_info.html |
| [18:56:42] | wagnerrp: | anyway, for an idea of size, cat5 is 24AWG |
| [18:56:53] | egyn: | Dagmar: i'm not crazy, i lack the knowledge :) |
| [18:57:06] | egyn: | i am trying to learn now so please do not mock me |
| [18:57:33] | egyn: | Dagmar: looks like a good link, thank you |
| [18:57:41] | rimbob: | you're better off buying a wireless transmitter :P |
| [18:57:47] | Dagmar: | egyn: Well, this is the _only_ part of this that could be considered a "chide". I googled "dvi maximum length", and got that page |
| [18:58:08] | wagnerrp: | wireless transmitters work like shit |
| [18:58:11] | Dagmar: | Now just from knowledge of electronics and wire, I know it's going to be dodgy going for long runs when they're mandating such a short length of wire |
| [18:58:17] | egyn: | Dagmar: i am lazy and prefer talking to people |
| [18:58:21] | egyn: | learning from others |
| [18:58:28] | Dagmar: | egyn: We'd rather not repeat the same shit day after day |
| [18:58:49] | Dagmar: | "others" write web pages so that information moves faster, and without wives' tales getting involved |
| [18:58:55] | egyn: | Dagmar: i know and for that i am sorry and know why the channel topic exists. |
| [18:59:03] | Dagmar: | DVI isn't meant for long runs |
| [18:59:12] | Dagmar: | Trying to make it go over long runs is going to involve pain. |
| [18:59:38] | Dagmar: | egyn: No worries. I don't get upset easily. |
| [18:59:42] | Dagmar: | I'm just sayin' basically. |
| [18:59:53] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: the HDMI spec does not have a specified maximum length, bit is normally assumed to be around 50ft |
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| [19:00:14] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Yeah, but the spec only calls for cables to be good for much shorter than that |
| [19:01:00] | Dagmar: | I'm saying that since they're only mandating this weird minimum, there's a really good chance that they've not bothered to mandate anything else like signal strength at the origin points or sensitivity of the destination |
| [19:01:23] | Dagmar: | So, trying to go farther than about a room's length is likely to be seriously hit-or-miss. |
| [19:01:42] | Dagmar: | People will sell cables to you all day long that are stupid, useless lengths. |
| [19:01:44] | wagnerrp: | ok... back to the game |
| [19:01:47] | egyn: | wagnerrp/andreax thank you very much for the help |
| [19:01:55] | Dagmar: | Like, one foot ethernet cables. |
| [19:02:23] | wagnerrp: | hey, i use several 2"-6" ethernet cables |
| [19:02:29] | egyn: | Dagmar: sorry for asking about cables. My main track was on mythtv. |
| [19:02:35] | Dagmar: | I've also seen some ludicrously long unshielded serial cables for sale that basically, aren't going to be useful for naything aside from possibly radio reception |
| [19:02:37] | egyn: | and some question marks have been sorted out. |
| [19:02:44] | Dagmar: | egyn: No need to be sorry |
| [19:02:47] | Dagmar: | Cables are important stuff |
| [19:03:06] | egyn: | Dagmar: yes |
| [19:03:06] | Dagmar: | At least they don't have a lot of variables involved in them |
| [19:03:48] | Dagmar: | Just be glad you're not trying to figure out why you can't get 5.1 PCM over the fancy optical cable they sold you |
| [19:03:56] | egyn: | i need to consider the options for solving this issue, that means i need to think about the wireing also |
| [19:04:17] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Minimum ethernet length is 3 feet, because of ringing in short wires |
| [19:04:33] | Dagmar: | Goin' shorter than 3 feet is pushin' yer luck |
| [19:04:40] | egyn: | i'm initially going to use the "6-channel discrete" input to my old receiver |
| [19:04:43] | rimbob: | i have a 4" ehternet cable |
| [19:04:44] | rimbob: | :P |
| [19:04:45] | wagnerrp: | really... never heard that |
| [19:04:57] | rimbob: | goes from the modem to the router |
| [19:05:09] | egyn: | Dagmar: i havent bought any opitcal cables yet. what can be the problem you are talking about? |
| [19:05:09] | wagnerrp: | ive just got a short segment from one switch to another switch |
| [19:05:16] | PatrickDK: | 4" thick thernet cable? |
| [19:05:18] | wagnerrp: | and then a little 2" crossover cable |
| [19:05:19] | egyn: | maybe we stray too much off topic mythtv now |
| [19:05:34] | rimbob: | egyn: it's fine i wanted to know as well |
| [19:05:34] | Dagmar: | Yeah, it's kind of a "you've been warned" restriction, like you can run 100base-T over cat 3 if you like, but the least little bit of noise will screw it up completely. |
| [19:05:38] | wagnerrp: | meant to be used with a coupler and a much longer cable |
| [19:06:02] | PatrickDK: | I have 6" lengths of cat6 I use for gigabit interconnections |
| [19:06:04] | Dagmar: | egyn: Oh that's actually a technical one. For all the pomp salesmen make of it, optical toslink cables are basically cheap-ass crap. |
| [19:06:19] | rimbob: | PatrickDK: you do knoe cat5e can do gigabit, right? |
| [19:06:27] | Dagmar: | egyn: They don't have enough bandwidth, period, to do more than 2 channels of uncompressed audio. The only way 5.1 goes across 'em is Dolby encoding |
| [19:06:29] | egyn: | Dagmar: is toslink itself crap or are the cables they sell crap? |
| [19:06:30] | PatrickDK: | it can? damn |
| [19:06:42] | rimbob: | know* |
| [19:06:44] | wagnerrp: | rimbob: sure, but why not use cat6 when its pretty much the same price |
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| [19:06:55] | PatrickDK: | why would I waste all this money on cat6 then so it works well, at long distances in high noise envioments |
| [19:07:01] | rimbob: | wagnerrp: i have 5e more readily available :P |
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| [19:07:03] | Dagmar: | egyn: Toslink was only an upgrade for people who can't manage to eliminate ground loops, basically. |
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| [19:07:12] | wagnerrp: | egyn: toslink itself is no better than coaxial |
| [19:07:21] | egyn: | Dagmar: my motherboard has toslink also, will that mean i forward the sound to the reciver which decodes the dolby surround sound? |
| [19:07:23] | wagnerrp: | but the cables they sell are usually cheap plastic crap |
| [19:07:33] | PatrickDK: | toslink is just clear plastic |
| [19:07:40] | Dagmar: | egyn: Provide you can emit dolby... guess what patents might well be in your way? ;) |
| [19:07:44] | PatrickDK: | length limit of like 12' I think |
| [19:08:09] | egyn: | Dagmar: patents.. umm.. problem with linux and dolby you mean? |
| [19:08:13] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [19:08:20] | egyn: | aha |
| [19:08:21] | Dagmar: | It's dodgy us even having libdts |
| [19:08:26] | egyn: | what I#¤(C |
| [19:08:32] | egyn: | what is that? |
| [19:08:33] | rimbob: | he's in europe :D |
| [19:08:36] | egyn: | software dts? |
| [19:08:47] | Dagmar: | Good thing most people's motherboards have 6 channel output anyhoo |
| [19:08:52] | wagnerrp: | both formats have a ridiculously low bandwidth capability, like 3Mbit or so |
| [19:09:03] | rimbob: | wagnerrp: which formats? |
| [19:09:10] | egyn: | well i'm off to some quality time now |
| [19:09:13] | egyn: | thank you all for your help |
| [19:09:15] | wagnerrp: | SPDIF (toslink or coax) |
| [19:09:34] | wagnerrp: | thats why surround has to be compressed |
| [19:09:34] | egyn: | it has been very informative |
| [19:09:54] | egyn: | i'll be back |
| [19:09:57] | egyn: | :) see ya |
| [19:10:13] | andreax1: | egyn: bb... |
| [19:10:22] | Dagmar: | The good news is that if you luck out and get an HDMI-output capable video card, HDMI has enough bandwidth |
| [19:10:37] | Dagmar: | No Dolby compression needed. |
| [19:10:59] | Dagmar: | You um, just need a HDMI 1.3 compliant reciever (at the moment, Sony only) to recieve it |
| [19:11:16] | rimbob: | oh |
| [19:11:21] | wagnerrp: | of course... most video cards that accept audio accept it in SPDIF form |
| [19:11:21] | rimbob: | toslink has 125mbit limit |
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| [19:12:24] | wagnerrp: | rimbob: if thats true, the formats they allow you to transmit do not exceed ~3Mbit |
| [19:12:57] | rimbob: | it's because certain cables do not exceed 3mbit |
| [19:14:00] | Dagmar: | TOSlink in the form factor you're using inside the PC can do semi-reasonable throughput |
| [19:14:09] | Dagmar: | Those LED-driven optical cables are another matter entirely |
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| [19:26:27] | wagnerrp: | those are just LEDs? |
| [19:26:37] | wagnerrp: | not even a diode laser? |
| [19:27:06] | Dagmar: | Just an LED, yep |
| [19:27:38] | Dagmar: | Cheee-e-e-e-ep |
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| [19:46:57] | high-rez: | Can someone tell me what this means: Program #23 not found in PAT! |
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| [19:48:39] | wagnerrp_: | disconnected... i bet i just switched IPs too |
| [19:49:19] | wagnerrp_: | i did! i did! i did get new IPs! |
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| [19:52:09] | wagnerrp_: | and to make it better... godaddy's website is hosed, so i cant fix things |
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| [20:36:09] | gbee: | high-rez: it means you need to re-scan your channels because channel #23 no longer exists |
| [20:36:23] | gbee: | or it has moved |
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| [20:41:50] | dustybin: | "There is some fascinating speculation going on these days that the well-known stereotype of the computer geek or nerd may actually be a description of mild autism, especially a form of autism known as Asperger's syndrome." |
| [20:41:55] | dustybin: | ^^ is that true? |
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| [20:42:29] | iamlindoro_: | Speculation == nobody can TELL you if it's true |
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| [20:42:38] | iamlindoro_: | But *you* definitely have Aspergers. |
| [20:42:45] | dustybin: | :o |
| [20:42:48] | kormoc: | dustybin, a lot of folks think so |
| [20:43:10] | kormoc: | dustybin, and a few folks I know act very much like it is so |
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| [20:43:27] | dustybin: | kormoc: quite a few probably reside in this channel |
| [20:43:53] | kormoc: | dustybin, now that you mention it, I've been wondering how to mention to you that you should talk to you doctor.... (joking :P) |
| [20:44:02] | dustybin: | :P |
| [20:44:18] | Nido: | speculation: the contemplation or consideration of some subject |
| [20:44:45] | Nido: | no mention of the terminability of the subject itself |
| [20:44:46] | kormoc: | Nido, thank you Mr. Dictionary? |
| [20:44:54] | Nido: | dictionary.com |
| [20:44:58] | Nido: | just to be certain |
| [20:45:01] | dustybin: | http://www.geocities.com/redmondrose/DigitalPie.htm |
| [20:45:21] | Nido: | and in case someone else want's to hit me back with dictionary definitions |
| [20:46:37] | Nido: | this is definiatly decidable; even now. crossreference the 'nerd stereotype' with the definition of autism/asperger and see what comes out of it |
| [20:47:00] | Saviq: | guys, do you know what could cause that: when I try to fast forward / rewind my recordings, all is fine until I start normal playback again, video stops, audio is running but with pauses and I'm getting 'WriteAudio: buffer underrun' errors... |
| [20:47:16] | Nido: | the definition of computer geek is someone with excessive knowledge of computer related subjects |
| [20:48:03] | Nido: | it's determinability is attractive for people with autism, but there are plenty non-autistic geeks as wel as non-geek autists |
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| [21:07:42] | high-rez: | gbee: is #23 channum,chanid, or sourceid ? I can't figure out which it actually references. |
| [21:08:33] | gbee: | without checking I can't remember, might be serviceid |
| [21:08:46] | gbee: | not sourceid and probably not chanid |
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| [21:09:05] | gbee: | it's a low number for serviceid though |
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| [21:41:54] | high-rez: | I'd like to know something about myth. How does it decide which transports to crawl for EIT data? Is there a table that shows the last cralwed transport ? |
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| [23:08:38] | antiPosix: | about once every two weeks my MythVideo tells me there is no video found, and I have to re-initialize the files mounted at the path I specified |
| [23:09:28] | antiPosix: | anyone else have this? |
| [23:09:45] | antiPosix: | its not troublesome to go to Video Manager and re-scan |
| [23:09:51] | antiPosix: | then they all come back again |
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| [23:41:26] | anenigma: | i have a really odd bug, I think, with my myth setup. it's a fresh setup that i compiled yesterday (0.21 r17722), running diskless over nfs. i'm using an ati 9600 pro video card, and the fglrx 'official' drivers v8.501. when i try to watch livetv, i hear the sound find, and mythfrontend.log doesn't show any error messages or anything unusual. but i don't see a picture, I just see the main myth menu. |
| [23:41:59] | anenigma: | the same thing happens when I go into "watch recordings" or "watch videos" or even "Setup"/"General" |
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| [23:42:27] | anenigma: | but my remote still functions as if it was working as expected |
| [23:43:51] | bsdfox: | anenigma: does ffmpeg work outside mythfrontend? |
| [23:44:12] | bsdfox: | for me "watch videos" uses mplayer |
| [23:45:02] | anenigma: | good question |
| [23:45:11] | clever: | i cant delete this '_NO_TITLE_' recording:( |
| [23:45:30] | anenigma: | neither is installed, i'll install and get back to you |
| [23:45:31] | bsdfox: | manually do it |
| [23:45:39] | clever: | bsdfox: the file doesnt exist anymore |
| [23:45:47] | bsdfox: | anenigma: ?? ffmpeg is required for mythtv afaik |
| [23:45:54] | clever: | only choice is to manualy remove it from recorded in mysql |
| [23:45:56] | bsdfox: | clever: delete it from the database fool |
| [23:46:18] | clever: | 4294967295_20080815085327.mpg |
| [23:46:24] | clever: | weee, invalid channel id! |
| [23:46:27] | iamlindoro: | bsdfox: it's not, mythtv contains its own imported version |
| [23:46:58] | clever: | now its gone |
| [23:50:45] | anenigma: | bsdfox: wonder how i managed that then |
| [23:58:30] | bsdfox: | oh |
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