Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, August 8th, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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jblack:

What do they say about blessed mexican food?

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justinh:

heh, I used to get really bad heartburt before I changed my diet & stopped drinking coke & eating crap every day

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justinh:

*heartburn

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justinh:

since then, I can eat what I like, even chinese food & no after-effects

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wagnerrp:

its more a matter of my body knowing when it has too much food

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wagnerrp:

it decides to purge

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mattwj2002:

hey everyone

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mattwj2002:

I have a mythtv question

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my2keh:

justinh>> I could make it, but that's a lot of work heh

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mattwj2002:

kind of

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justinh:

well, looks like I'll have to live with this odd EQ scenario

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justinh:

my2keh: hmmmm

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mattwj2002:

can you hook up a slingbox to mythtv?

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bsdfox:

yeah

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bsdfox:

but why

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wagnerrp:

does a slingbox support uPNP?

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justinh:

mattwj2002: in theory you could, but I bet they don't provide a means of controlling your mythbox

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justinh:

the big question would be WTF?!

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mattwj2002:

lol

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mattwj2002:

why do you say that?

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justinh:

so you can own a big ugly box that costs too much to do a job your mythbox can already do?

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justinh:

and yeah those things are ugly

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mattwj2002:

no

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mattwj2002:

I would want to use a sling box like network enabled tv tuner for analog channels like my HDHomeRun works for digital channels

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justinh:

ah

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wagnerrp:

isnt that just another slingbox?

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justinh:

are you ready for a shock? the quality sucks

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

you want mythtv to capture off a slingbox?

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lwizardl:

hi

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justinh:

and here's something else – they use a propriatary format

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lwizardl:

anyone have a denon surround sound receiver?

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mattwj2002:

yeah

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mattwj2002:

capture off of a sling box exactly

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lwizardl:

mattwj2002, that yeah to the denon?

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justinh:

mattwj2002: they don't even stream at full res, man

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justinh:

they *can't* even do that

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mattwj2002:

oh that sucks

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mattwj2002:

that yeah was for wagnerrp

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justinh:

I can see why you might want a network enabled capture device though

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justinh:

not always possible to get your backend near the source of video signal eh

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justinh:

but, you'd probably be able to put a tuner or 2 in a frontend & use vlc to make a network stream & record that with a backend

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justinh:

OR you can distribute svideo & stereo audio along one cat5 cable with baluns

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mattwj2002:

well more than anything I thought a slingbox would be cool

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mattwj2002:

I was curious if it would work with mythtv as well

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justinh:

slingboxes are not cool :)

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mattwj2002:

lol

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mattwj2002:

why do you say that?

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mattwj2002:

because they run hot

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justinh:

because they're not

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mattwj2002:

:P

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justinh:

big ugly expensive box that doesn't really have any right to be in a livingroom near a TV..

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wagnerrp:

their site is dead

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justinh:

ok maybe not that big, but man they're nasty looking

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justinh:

wagnerrp: dead, or else maxxed out with all the place-shifting they do

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mattwj2002:

and stream too :D

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mattwj2002:

that is my favorite part

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justinh:

I can evenn see the attraction of streaming, but mythtv is on the cusp of being able to do everything that box of junk can do PLUS what mythtv already does so well

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wagnerrp:

you have been able to rig mythtv to do that for three years now

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wagnerrp:

there was a howto on the wiki

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justinh:

muh, but not livetv. people want to be able to watch a blocky low rez slightly delayed version of livetv!

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wagnerrp:

and it was all done locally (i didnt realize slingboxes had to push video through their main servers)

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justinh:

wagnerrp: I was making that part up

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justinh:

but I wouldn't be surprised if they did

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wagnerrp:

well im sure theres a lot of people who cant figure out how to set up port forwarding

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mattwj2002:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

of course the mythtv solution required quite a far bit more than just port forwarding

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justinh:

I say this with reservations – 'all' streaming support needs is for somebody to make the backend capable of transcoding on the fly, adapting to varying conditions etc & it's a job done. Oh and maybe write the client side. That's 'all' :)

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mattwj2002:

:P

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justinh:

I think gmyth are going in that kind of direction IIRC

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mattwj2002:

gmyth?

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J-e-f-f-A:

justinh: I think MythStreamTV was a good idea – it worked well in my opinion – once you got it setup... (which was a pain...)

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: its basically integrated into mythtv now, in a more functional form

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wagnerrp:

however it still does not support livetv, thats what justinh is talking about

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** J-e-f-f-A cheers! ;-) **

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GreyFoxx:

That beaver board looks interesting :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Where, where?!? ;-P

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wagnerrp:

the ARM/TI_DSP combo?

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

that wasn't beaver

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GreyFoxx:

just reading all the specs and listenning to the videos

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GreyFoxx:

they have acouple specifically talking about running mythtv on it :)

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wagnerrp:

really...

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and a few photos of mythfrontend running on it

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justinh:

it has enough ram & once the ffmpeg optimisations are sorted out...

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GreyFoxx:

could be pretty interesting

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GreyFoxx:

and 2w of power.... hehe

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justinh:

very diddy ickle SDTV frontend :)

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

well yeah, theres a big different between the frontend running, and having actual decode acceleration

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GreyFoxx:

wag: They say it plays sdtv with no optimizations and that they expect after some optimizations they expect full hdtv decoding as well

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justinh:

ruh?

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GreyFoxx:

we'll see how it actually goes, but it would be anifty little toy :)

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wagnerrp:

sdtv... mpeg2?

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GreyFoxx:

they didn't specify the codec in the conversation

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wagnerrp:

a 400MHz ARM seeks pretty skimpy for that

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justinh:

beagleboard.org

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justinh:

beaver on the brain eh ;)

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wagnerrp:

hes even watching videos of beavers

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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justinh:

wagnerrp: they'd be leveraging the DSP AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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justinh:

wagnerrp: yer HDTV STBs don't have much in the way of real CPU though

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GreyFoxx:

and it has onboard 3d acceleration/opengl support

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justinh:

similar spec CPUs in even HDTV PVRs, those nasty standalone thingies

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GreyFoxx:

overall looks like a very promising card

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wagnerrp:

well someone is in the process of building ffmpeg on it, hopefully that means full DSP support as well

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justinh:

and even if it winds up being unable to cope with full HDTV, they're cutting their teeth with a very promising looking platform

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GreyFoxx:

heck I can think of a lot of uses beyond just video hehe

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justinh:

home automation!

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justinh:

car PC !

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wagnerrp:

just update the chip pair, and you have something that can

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GreyFoxx:

justin: yeah

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GreyFoxx:

exactly

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lwizardl:

anyone have a denon surround sound receiver?

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justinh:

file servers, etc...

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justinh:

lwizardl: maybe try asking a more general question

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wagnerrp:

actually, at $150, this would be cost effective to manage a couple USB cams

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lwizardl:

i'm trying to figure out how to program the universal remote that comes with mine

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wagnerrp:

pump them back over the network

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wagnerrp:

does the ARM only support integer math? theyre only rating it in MIPS

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wagnerrp:

i suppose the OMAP is basically used as a big FP unit

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: that looks like the last LRL we were at

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justinh:

wow they say it'll decode 720p no problem

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justinh:

ahh LWE 2008. venue looked a lot like the place LRL 2007 was held lol

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

now I want one to play with heh

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my2keh:

what screen do I goto to customize the JumpAhead setting?

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: looks like they've just peed on the bonfire of that Neuros OSD, big style

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justinh:

my2keh: mythcontrols, if you have it installed. or mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

just: hehe yeah a little :)

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brewmaster:

anyone know the best (read: least weight on CPU) decoder settings for a pchdtv-5500?

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brewmaster:

i have an nvidia 6200

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brewmaster:

so i'm thinking of using xvmc...

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my2keh:

ah mythweb

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my2keh:

what's mythcontrols?

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dmz:

hey y'all i have a weird problem here. all of my frontends are displaying my recordings in an unknown order. They are not alphabetical (the titles are but not the recordings) they are not by date, they appear to just randomly choose order

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dmz:

anyone ever seen this or have any idea what is up?

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teprrr:

sutula, apparently P should work, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Keybindings

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: how fast is your cpu?

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brewmaster:

j-e-f-f-a, it's a p 4 3.0ghz

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my2keh:

ah it was under playback groups

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brewmaster:

i just set it to 'CPU--' in the playback profiles

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sutula:

teprrr: My pause button must be wired that way, as it works as expected

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brewmaster:

it doesn't chop out like it was before

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Yeah, you'll probably need to use XvMC, and BOB as the de-interlacer.

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brewmaster:

the display gives "waves" when people move and stuff

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brewmaster:

i haven't tried the bob de-interlacer

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Set the deinterlacer to 'bob'. It's probably not on right now.

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sutula:

teprrr: I think Play needs to be Return in some menus...hence, context sensitivity would be nicer

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Are you using the nvidia accelerated driver? (not 'nv', 'nvidia')

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dmz:

nm found it

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brewmaster:

jeff-a, yeah

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brewmaster:

i just used standard xvmc for any resolution

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brewmaster:

it seems pretty good

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brewmaster:

now, is there a way to download the program info?

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brewmaster:

i set EIT as the guide

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brewmaster:

for my ota-dtv source

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brewmaster:

but the program guide is empty

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brewmaster:

do i need to re-scan the channels or something

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brewmaster:

?

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: It should download from each channel, you may need to tune each channel. I use schedulesdirect instead... (for my Dish listings as well)

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brewmaster:

jeff-a, yeah, doesn't seem to want to work

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brewmaster:

every channel is unknown

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brewmaster:

i know for a fact that some channels here at least show what is currently playing...

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brewmaster:

jeff-a, what do you mean when you say "tune each channel"?

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brewmaster:

i'm guessing you mean just change to a particular channel

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Watch Live TV on each channel for a few seconds and see if the listings populate... Unless they're pulled down with 'mythfilldatabase', but I don't think so...

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brewmaster:

no, nothing

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brewmaster:

every channel is still unknown

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Have you checked the wiki? There's probably something on there about EIT...

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brewmaster:

yeah, it doesn't help much

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brewmaster:

tells me to go to mythweb settings -> channel info

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/EIT

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Do you have mythweb installed?

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brewmaster:

yep

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squish102:

can any1 give me advice on lircd? i have it running in debug and i am getting error "failed "SnapStream_Firefly-Mini" remote" and "decoding failed for all remotes"

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squish102:

i got the remote lircd.conf from lirc's website

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squish102:

or can any1 give me a ir receiver usb that works out of the box and well with mythtv

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Look at that site, especially take note of the 2nd tip – that may be your issue.

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squish102:

ive tried the creaive sb0540 and snapstream firefly mini usb things with no luck

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: I use a MS MCE USB2 remote. works near-perfect out-of-the-box, I like to tweak it a little bit.

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squish102:

thanks J-e-f-f-A, i'll buy one of those

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: They're a little pricey, but not too bad... ;-)

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squish102:

after 3 weeks of fighting with this, nothing is too pricey

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jams:

squish102- the streamzap works and is cheap

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Check out fleabay auction Item number: 310015947910

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: You can probably find it cheaper if you look around, that's an example of the one I've got, and works great...

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squish102:

thanks jams and J-e-f-f-A

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thatdood:

i modified an xbox remote receiver, and use a oneforall remote with it, cuz it was layin around, and im cheap

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squish102:

i have a harmony remote, so all i need is the ir receiver

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J-e-f-f-A:

squish102: Then build yourself a serial receiver...

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brewmaster:

jeff-a, thanks

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brewmaster:

i think i'll just sign up for schedules direct

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: Was that the problem?

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brewmaster:

shrug, i've seen what eit offers...

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brewmaster:

not worth the $100 of labour to get it going :P

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squish102:

brewmaster SD was the best $20 i have spent this year

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: I 2nd that... ;-)

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brewmaster:

squish102, does it give full descs and stuff?

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J-e-f-f-A:

yes.

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brewmaster:

do i need xmltv

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J-e-f-f-A:

no

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brewmaster:

or is that for non-myth stuff

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brewmaster:

okay

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brewmaster:

is it INSTANT?

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brewmaster:

heh

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brewmaster:

i.e., if i sign up now, will i have it right away

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brewmaster:

oh, i guess so

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brewmaster:

they have a 7 day trial ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: signup? Pretty-much! ;-) It'll take 10 mins or so to download the listings, it's doing 14 days by the way...

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J-e-f-f-A:

... actually would be faster, as you're doing ota, only a handful of channels, eh?

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clever:

i think its 2 weeks of data

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clever:

so even after the trail expires you could keep using it for another 2 weeks:P

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: you signed up yet? ;-)

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brewmaster:

yeah

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Steven_M:

hi all

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Steven_M:

is anyone here running mythtv under a debian based system?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Steven_M: I've got a test backend on Ubuntu... But my main backend is Fedora 8. ;-)

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Steven_M:

J-e-f-f-A: do you know how to start mtd under debian? the wiki only has the fedora way

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brewmaster:

j-e-f-f-a, so i create a line-up, configure it in my 'video sources' and 'retrieve lineups', and then what?

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brewmaster:

start watching tv and wait for the stuff to dl?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Steven_M: Humm... not sure...

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Dagmar:

Then you follow the rest of the documentation while you watch TV.

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: You have to run 'mythfilldatabase' like it tells you when you exit mythtv-setup

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brewmaster:

yeah, did that

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brewmaster:

it did a bunch of work

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brewmaster:

series of calls to wget it seems

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Steven_M:

ok

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baxter_kylie:

Hi. Anyone know why I can't get sound on any SDL apps when I run them through MythGame — but sound works perfectly if I run them off a terminal window?

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sutula:

squish102: I just bought http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880125001 works out of the box and somewhat lower shipping

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sutula:

Steven_M: I have it running under several Debian systems

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sutula:

Steven_M: Are you struggling to get the backend to run automagically?

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thatdood:

hmmm curious, sutula, will that box slide nicely into a 3.5" floppy drive bay?

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sutula:

The receiver?

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thatdood:

yar

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thatdood:

im not a fan of having to place another small box with a cord on top of the frontend

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sutula:

The front view is about 2" wide and 3/4" high, so maybe cutout a hole from a filler panel for it

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** sutula didn't measure, just eyeball it **

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thatdood:

nice

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thatdood:

if its smaller than a 3.5" floppy it'll do

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sutula:

much smaller

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brewmaster:

j-e-f-f-a, seems to not be my night...

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sutula:

thatdood: 5/8" x 2 1/4" (sorry if you're metric)

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brewmaster:

am i forgetting to do something?

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brewmaster:

channel editor?

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brewmaster:

adding ids...

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thatdood:

sweet, thanks, sutula

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Steven_M:

sutula: backend and front end runs fine. I just don't know how to start the myth transcoding deamon for ripping DVD's

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: What channel seperator did you use when you scanned for channels? I think SD defaults to "_"

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sutula:

Steven_M: I haven't used mtd. Let me look at it.

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brewmaster:

i used the '.' separator

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Steven_M:

sutula: ok

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brewmaster:

j-e-f-f-a, okay, i had to manually enter the channel ids

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sutula:

Steven_M: Hmmm: "mythdvd – this package is obsolete and replaced by mythvide"

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sutula:

s/vide/video/

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J-e-f-f-A:

brewmaster: cool. ;-)

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sutula:

Steven_M: Well, I can't easily install it to look, but I'm guessing you're looking for the Debian way to add initscripts? Try 'man update-rc.d'

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tewk_:

I'm running synergy with mythtv SVN HEAD, whenever the mouse goes off the mythscreen it blanks out, where how can I fix that?

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mzb_d800:

Steven_M: press 0 ?

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baxter_kylie:

Does anyone have any idea why anything launched through mythgame doesn't get sound?

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Steven_M:

sutula: yes I have mythvideo and mtd installed I just don't how to start mtd cause invoke-rd.d mtd start doesn't do it

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sutula:

Steven_M: How about /etc/init.d/mtd start

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styelz:

i just add mtd to rc.local

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GreyFoxx:

bax: Purely a guess, the apps you are spawning either aren't configured properly, or do not support ALSA and you don't have oss sound support installed ?

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Steven_M:

mzb_d800: tried that

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Steven_M:

sutula: ok I'll try that soon

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Steven_M:

brb

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Steven_M:

sutula: /etc/init.d/mtd start No such file or directory

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styelz:

why not just add it to /etc/rc.local so it starts at boot

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styelz:

add /usr/bin/mtd -d to /etc/rc.local

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wagnerrp:

styelz: not everyone uses that kind of init scripting

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styelz:

its an rc script

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wagnerrp:

right, on my distro, that file does not exist

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styelz:

what dist?

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wagnerrp:

and making said file and putting any lines in it will cause nothing to happen

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wagnerrp:

gentoo

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wagnerrp:

freebsd (although not exactly a linux distro)

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styelz:

ah

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styelz:

freebsd does use rc.local.. maybe not gentoo

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styelz:

look at /etc/conf.d/local.start

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styelz:

its that

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styelz:

for gentoo

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wagnerrp:

well that file does not exist on my freebsd system

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wagnerrp:

and i know thats where it is for gentoo

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styelz:

ok

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wagnerrp:

freebsd, its /etc/rc.d/local

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styelz:

er oops 5.4-RELEASE FreeBSD

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wagnerrp:

or more correctly, you make your own rc file

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styelz:

geez

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wagnerrp:

(im running 7 currently)

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styelz:

yea

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wagnerrp:

im just saying theres a lot of different ways to configure a system running mythtv

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wagnerrp:

so one way to make something run on boot doesnt work for everyone

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styelz:

heh

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clever:

yeah, i put my pppoe-start in rc.local and it didnt work right

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clever:

ntpd started BEFORE the dsl, and sat there for 5mins waiting for a timeout:P

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clever:

now that i found that out it was easy to fix

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styelz:

just make your own init script. not too hard... it could even just contain mtd -d in it

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wagnerrp:

well there is that too, but mtd shouldnt need internet access

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clever:

styelz: that by itself would be a bit of a problem, starting things when given the stop order:P

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styelz:

yes, but hopefullly you are rebooting

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styelz:

hehe

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, you need to take that into act when setting the order of services that startup

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wagnerrp:

well it just spawns a second time, and then the machine shuts down

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styelz:

not trying to start/stop

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wagnerrp:

so its not really an issue

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clever:

wagnerrp: enless your going between init levels

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clever:

then you may get 2–3 running at once

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styelz:

only put it in init 2

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styelz:

forget symlink

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wagnerrp:

bsd and gentoo dont have the same idea of init levels, so...

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clever:

4 is the default on some systems:P

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styelz:

or whatever the runlevel is

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah ubuntu replaced the init process with upstart, but still has the old init levels also

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clever:

upstart seems to be more dependency based startup

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styelz:

when did they do that?

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clever:

so i can just lable x as needing network and /usr and it start when they are ready

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clever:

styelz: dont remember when but i beleive 7.10 has upstart

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styelz:

im on 8.04 still uses init

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styelz:

as far as i can see

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clever:

the upstart still runs the old rc.d scripts

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clever:

dpkg -l|grep upstart

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styelz:

thanks

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clever:

'init --version' is also a dead giveaway:P

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clever:

init (upstart 0.3.8)

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styelz:

oh, thats for runlevels

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styelz:

ok

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: BSD doesn't have an initd for one thing

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Dagmar:

BSD has _no_ runlevels, being another.

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clever:

the problem with the S12servicename system in rc.d is that i need to know which services i depend on and place the new one after

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clever:

the upstart lets you just list what you depend on and start whenever they are ready

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Dagmar:

clever: Congratulations. You have just put your finger on what's retarded about upstart

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clever:

lol

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clever:

Dagmar: how is that a problem?

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Dagmar:

It's less trouble to simply make the init scripts able to tell if the network is up.

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clever:

the config helpers should be able to point out when x will never run because y is never started

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Dagmar:

then they wouldn't have had to try to rewrite everything to deal with dependencies

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Dagmar:

I could go on about what's wrong with that system for hours.

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clever:

so what will mysql do if the network its binding to doesnt exist yet?

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clever:

when starting up

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Dagmar:

clever: Maybe fuck up, maybe not.

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Dagmar:

I can't tell you what won't happen...

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Dagmar:

It won't matter.

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clever:

with upstart it would allways start afterwards:P

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Dagmar:

If you're binding to 0.0.0.0 it doesn't matter a damn bit if a given interface is up or not.

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clever:

if the init.d scripts are setup right it will allways work

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clever:

yeah, the problem is if i bind to a certain ip

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Dagmar:

So the problem they're trying to "solve" doesn't actually exist in 99% of cases.

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clever:

that was just a random example

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Dagmar:

...and their solution simply creates more problems.

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clever:

how does upstart make more problems?

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Dagmar:

It makes things needlessly complex.

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Dagmar:

Complex == more pieces == more pieces that can potentially break.

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clever:

it appears to be fully backward compatible with the old style init.d scripts

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Dagmar:

The whole thing that got them started on it was "speed" of booting.

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Dagmar:

Problem one: Real linux users don't reboot much, so 20 seconds here and there is meaningless

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clever:

yeah, you could start 2–3 services at once to max out the multicore cpu

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clever:

instead of only ever starting 1 at a time

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Dagmar:

Problem two: The majority of the speed increase they "saw" from upstart was false.

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Dagmar:

clever: There's nothing in that that just backgrounding the process of starting a service wouldn't fix.

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clever:

the problem with backgrounding everything, it will ruin the init.d system that expects x to be ready when y starts

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clever:

so that when you put something AFTER the network, the network will allready be up

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Dagmar:

So what

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Dagmar:

Certainly it _sounds_ good, but there's no actual problem to be solved there that couldn't be solved more easily by not writing brain-dead init scripts

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clever:

backgrounding everything in init.d will make it faster and break alot

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taintman:

does anyone here have experience setting up parellel init in linux?

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bobgill:

I can't seem to get streaming working with mythweb, can someone help... currently my music shows fine in mythweb, can add songs to playlist etc. but I try to open the stream in amarok/xine/etc. it won't load

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Dagmar:

clever: Excuse me but I didn't say "everything".

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clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

clever: Let me put this bluntly. Here, I've got the things which can be backgrounded, actually going to the background.

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Dagmar:

mythbackend is dependent on mysql, so no big deal. The mythbackend init script just checks once every three seconds to see if mysqld actually came up yet.

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cworth:

So I've got my new WinTV HVR 1800 working quite well now.

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clever:

something that would help alot is to see WHICH init.d script is taking so long

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clever:

which i can probly do easily if i just tweak the scripts that run them

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Dagmar:

If it hasn't happened within a minute, it's _not going to happen_ so it exits then.

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cworth:

And I was even pleasantly surprised to find I can use two tuners simultaneously, (picture in picture for example).

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thedarkon:

hello

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clever:

dont even have an inittab on my laptop:P

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thedarkon:

how can i make video scan stay in proggesive mode

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Dagmar:

So what

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cworth:

But now, with one scheduled recording happening, if I go to LiveTV it only lets me watch that channel or switch to a single other channel, but nothing else.

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Dagmar:

thedarkon: Configure X normally.

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thedarkon:

hmm

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thedarkon:

i mean in myth

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Dagmar:

...as in don't configure it to use an interlaced video mode.

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Dagmar:

thedarkon: You seem to be a bit confused. The only thing you do along those lines is tell myth which deinterlacer to use, if it needs it.

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styelz:

i see that in the Menu when i watch live TV.. progressive/interlaced etc

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thedarkon:

yeah same here

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Dagmar:

Myth doesn't switch between progressive and interlaced modes unless you've explicitly configured it to *change video modes for playback to something different from the menus*

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thedarkon:

yeah

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thedarkon:

how can i make it stay in progressive instead of auto detect

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Dagmar:

It doesn't autodetect.

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Dagmar:

There's nothing to detect.

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styelz:

what are the options for in the menu?

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thedarkon:

tv menu

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Dagmar:

They're for if you're playing back a video file that _is_ interlaced.

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Dagmar:

Then the _de_interlacer of your choice is used to do it.

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thedarkon:

were it has program guide and video adjust

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Dagmar:

...assuming you didn't go out of your way to try to make X use an interlaced video mode.

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thedarkon:

dagmar i tried everything

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Dagmar:

If you have an LCD panel for your display, it's pretty much a non-issue, since LCD panels don't have raster scan lines.

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thedarkon:

only thing seem to work is putting it in progressive mode

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Dagmar:

How about you explain your _actual_ problem?

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thedarkon:

well okay

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styelz:

so it is not the source media that is interlaced or progressive.. its the monitor?

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thedarkon:

i have a 101 inch dlp projector

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Dagmar:

Either could be

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styelz:

hmm

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thedarkon:

when i use ffmpeg and linar or any of others i get shadows

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Dagmar:

linar?

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thedarkon:

when watching live tv

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Dagmar:

"shadows" being what

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thedarkon:

linear

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thedarkon:

well like echos

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thedarkon:

say i put history channel on

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Dagmar:

So you might _actually_ want to just configure X to output an interlaced mode.

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thedarkon:

it shows distored history channel logo

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Dagmar:

...or just use a better deinterlacer. There's several options

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thedarkon:

i tried them all

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thedarkon:

they all do the same thing

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Dagmar:

Then dig into the wiki and find out how to configure X to use an interlaced output mode.

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thedarkon:

well in that tv playback menu

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thedarkon:

they have one called interlace

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thedarkon:

it made it 100 times worst

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Dagmar:

That tends to happen when one just pushes buttons at random.

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Dagmar:

Just because it's a TV doesn't make the way X works any differnet.

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thedarkon:

not random

[03:52:54]

Dagmar:

Okay, so not random. "pushes buttons without knowing what they'll do"

[03:53:11]

Dagmar:

X uses one output resolution at a time.

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Dagmar:

If you want to change that, you have to configure X to know what the other modes you want are.

[03:53:44]

Dagmar:

Getting X to use an interlaced output mode generally involves a modelline.

[03:53:53]

Dagmar:

s/modelline/modeline/;

[03:54:12]

Dagmar:

You can tell Myth to switch video modes when doing playback, but you have to tell X about the modes before Myth can switch to them.

[03:54:34]

Dagmar:

X won't "just do it" because it has no idea.

[03:55:13]

Dagmar:

Seriously, spend some time poking around the wiki looking at where it's talking about interlacing and deinterlacing and modelines and this _will_ become clearer.

[03:55:41]

Dagmar:

Deinterlacing video isn't as easy as it sounds, and doing it for a progressive-scan output is always going to result in some strange artifacts of _some_ kind.

[03:56:47]

Dagmar:

ABout the only "easy" solution anywhere near this is nVidia's s-video output and the proprietary nvidia driver, which will kick in some black voodoo magic and "just deal with it" when interlaced video is fed to xv.

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clever:

my nvidia card heavily downscales to interlaced ntsc

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Dagmar:

...and even that creates some faint temporal blur.

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thedarkon:

i use 15 pin vga

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clever:

little chance of getting a 1:1 pixel maping to let the tv deinterlace for me

[03:58:11]

clever:

its running at 1024x768 internaly but ntsc cant handle that level

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Dagmar:

thedarkon: Yeah so look for stuff about modelines in the wiki

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Dagmar:

At least the good news is that unless you've got a lot of progressive-scan stuff also lying around, the menus won't care if you just run the output interlaced all the time

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Guest20826:

anyone know how to fix the "qmake for Qt4 not found. Please specify the correct qmake with --qmake=" issue?

[04:02:04]

Dagmar:

Guest: Do you have Qt4?

[04:02:34]

Guest20826:

yes

[04:02:39]

Dagmar:

Do you know where qmake is?

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Guest20826:

how do i look that up?

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Dagmar:

`whereis qmake` would be a good start.

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clever:

or 'locate qmake' or 'type qmake' or 'which qmake'

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Dagmar:

...or just not being a masochist and trying to use trunk would be a better start.

[04:03:55]

Dagmar:

0.21-fixes is more stable, and less of a pain in the ass in general.

[04:04:02]

Dagmar:

...and doesn't require Qt4.

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clever:

i went the masochist way:P, had to dist-upgrade several times before the qt4 was even usable for a compile

[04:04:40]

clever:

and that broke lirc

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mzb_d800:

anybody here using RAID10 and know something about stride + stripe-width optimising for ext3?

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mzb_d800:

I'm currently using 64K stripe on f2 raid10 so I assume that "-E stride=16,stripe-width=32" is the best|correct setting?

[04:10:46]

wagnerrp:

usually 64 or 128k stripes are considered optimal

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mzb_d800:

n2 gave poor performance, so trying f2 now

[04:11:07]

mzb_d800:

64 stripe is default

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mzb_d800:

(for raid10 at least)

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wagnerrp:

f2? n2?

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mzb_d800:

far2 vs near2(default)

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mzb_d800:

I'm talking about optimising the filesystem for the raid (+lvm) under it

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wagnerrp:

again... ?

[04:12:13]

wagnerrp:

near or far what

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mzb_d800:

still ;)

[04:12:46]

mzb_d800:

ref: layout options for raid10

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mzb_d800:

far2 apparently gives read speeds approaching raid0

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mzb_d800:

near2 was only giving me ~50MB/s read ... which seems poor on 4xSATA2 drives

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wagnerrp:

raid10 in general should be the read speed of a 4xRAID0

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thedarkon:

dagmar i gona go out and get a ati video card

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wagnerrp:

but half the write speed of one

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thatdood:

ati?

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mzb_d800:

wagnerrp: according to the manpages and my experiments that's a generalisation

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mzb_d800:

(which doesn't hold up on default settings)

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wagnerrp:

settings or not, thats just the most basic characteristics of a raid10 assuming an intelligent controller (hardware or software)

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mzb_d800:

md

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wagnerrp:

now if youre only getting 50MB/s, you should push that much on a single drive along

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wagnerrp:

*alone

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mzb_d800:

single drive approaches 70–80MB/s raw read

[04:18:31]

mzb_d800:

(sequential)

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mzb_d800:

I'm getting ~60MB/s on resync (just adding the two mirrors having restarted the array in degraded mode)

[04:20:16]

mzb_d800:

guess I'll have to wait ~80mins for this drive and the next drive to resync before I test again

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mzb_d800:

hopefully f2 will be better

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mzb_d800:

I'm hoping to approach ~130MB/s sequential read (on a good day with a tail wind ;)

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wagnerrp:

ah, i understand near vs. far now

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wagnerrp:

all far does is averages out performance

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wagnerrp:

near means mirrored data is in a similar track on the other disk

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wagnerrp:

far means its far away

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mzb_d800:

:)

[04:24:49]

mzb_d800:

that's the idea

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wagnerrp:

far helps you for random access

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wagnerrp:

but it royally fucks you on sequential access

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mzb_d800:

this is for a xen server ... so random is good

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wagnerrp:

since youre still going to end up waiting for the slowest disk

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wagnerrp:

so youre expecting raw mode to improve sequential access?

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mzb_d800:

no, I'm hoping f2 will give me better results overall ... but sequential read (dd) is the easiest test in the short term

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mzb_d800:

my (original) question was more to do with the filesystem

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wagnerrp:

well basically, larger stripe means its more likely the data youre trying to access is on a single disk, improving concurrent access

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mzb_d800:

(which is the next step)

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wagnerrp:

smaller stripe means ite more likely the data will be spread over multiple disks, improving sequential access

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mzb_d800:

but would kill access for small files?

[04:30:37]

wagnerrp:

if youre looking for concurrent access, you want your stripe to be larger than the files you will be opening

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mzb_d800:

eg. two most important domU's for disk access are the webserver and mailserver

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mzb_d800:

(mailserver uses maildirs)

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wagnerrp:

are either of those considerably large? do you service a large number of concurrent users?

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mzb_d800:

only me ;)

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mzb_d800:

*cough*

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mzb_d800:

at least ... I'm the only one that counts ;)

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wagnerrp:

then who cares, youre not going to be putting it under sufficient load to notice any difference

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mzb_d800:

the mailserver is 1.5GB of data ... access was *slow*

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wagnerrp:

chances are most of what you want to access is going to end up cached in memory anyway

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wagnerrp:

what the hell are you doing with 1.5GB of personal email? large attachments?

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mzb_d800:

going from sempron 3400+ (s754) to X2 3800+ (s939) should make a huge difference

[04:34:20]

mzb_d800:

nope ... years of accumulation ... moderation, etc

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mzb_d800:

mostly text-only

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mzb_d800:

webserver on the other hand is mostly for archiving photos

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mzb_d800:

~5MB ea(?)

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wagnerrp:

well multi-processor systems are not going to speed up mail access for a single user

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mzb_d800:

xen

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mzb_d800:

hence my questions about filesystems on raid10

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wagnerrp:

server applications like that are usually not multithreaded, rather they spawn off a new instance for each new connection

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wagnerrp:

the web browser will run concurrent downloads for multiple resources on a page

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wagnerrp:

but the mail application will be single threaded for a single user

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mzb_d800:

keep in mind though that I have a number of spam-checkers, and that if|when any of the upstream servers b0rk then my mailserver ends up processing 1000–2000 messages an hour

[04:40:07]

mzb_d800:

so it's more than just "imapd" running ;)

[04:40:21]

Steven_M:

mythtv still complains about not being able to connect to the mtd even after adding it to rc.local

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wagnerrp:

2000/hr is almost nothing

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wagnerrp:

thats one every other second

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wagnerrp:

a 3400+ can do that without breaking a sweat

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wagnerrp:

Steven_M: is mtd actually running?

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mzb_d800:

not when it's doing any of the other *important* things that I use the server for ;)

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mzb_d800:

mind you ... it's lasted pretty well for what it was

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Steven_M:

wagnerrp: it appears not, though I don't know why

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wagnerrp:

what distro are you running

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Steven_M:

debian sid

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wagnerrp:

is it possible /etc/rc.local is not being called?

[04:49:06]

wagnerrp:

you should have a number of /etc/rc?.d/ folders

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wagnerrp:

correct?

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Steven_M:

wagnerrp: when I try to run it manually I get this output http://pastebin.com/d3c534b71\

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Steven_M:

wagnerrp: correct about the folders

[04:52:45]

wagnerrp:

i really need a hex-capable number pad...

[04:52:59]

wagnerrp:

well in one of those folders, you should have a symlink to /etc/rc.local

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wagnerrp:

if not, rc.local will not run (i assume)

[04:53:46]

wagnerrp:

somehow that file is not openable by root

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wagnerrp:

the only way that should happen is if the director does not exist

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mzb_d800:

ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S99rc.local

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mzb_d800:

(2 being Debian's default runlevel)

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wagnerrp:

also, you probably dont want to be running mtd as root

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wagnerrp:

(poor practice)

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Steven_M:

all daemons are run as root aren't they?

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cesman:

no

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mzb_d800:

not in Debian ;P

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cesman:

some may run as a particular user

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Steven_M:

mzb_d800: so what user runs the daemons which run on boot?

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mzb_d800:

doesn't work that way ... but the answer to your question is root

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wagnerrp:

the rc subsystem runs as root, but usually it, or the daemon itself, drops to an unprivileged user

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wagnerrp:

very little actually runs as root

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mzb_d800:

s/that way/the way you think/

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wagnerrp:

you can always change the command to su – <mythtv user> -c /usr/bin/mtd -d

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Steven_M:

so have I been doing it wrong when I do "invoke-rc.d <service name> start" as root

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wagnerrp:

that probably has to be run as root

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wagnerrp:

as i said, the rc subsystem runs as root

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Steven_M:

ok

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wagnerrp:

but it manages dropping to an unprivileged user

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wagnerrp:

either by manually running it as a specific user, or telling the daemon itself what to run as

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Steven_M:

ok

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Steven_M:

I've found the link to rc.local so I don't know why it's not working

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wagnerrp:

according to mzb_d800: its getting called at boot

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wagnerrp:

that may be too early, and it needs something that hasnt been started yet

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wagnerrp:

have you fixed the log access issue?

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mzb_d800:

put something like 'logger "Running rc.local"' in it to verify

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mzb_d800:

you probably want to ensure that you have "-d" switch for mtd

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wagnerrp:

the rc system wont fork it off if it doesnt do it on its own?

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mzb_d800:

I don't recall ever having had to go to these lengths to get mtd to work ... but then I only played with it once

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mzb_d800:

is /etc/rc.local executable?

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mzb_d800:

(not sure if it is by default)

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Steven_M:

mzb_d800: yes it is exec

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Shadow__X:

hey everyone

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Shadow__X:

does anyone use rss feeds here

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Steven_M:

rebooting to generate the log

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wagnerrp:

sometimes

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Shadow__X:

what do you use i used to use trillian with i believe goodnews plugin and i like how it comes up with each rss feed but that gets annoiying

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Shadow__X:

i like notifications though for each new story

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Shadow__X:

i have rss feeds of deal sites and wouldnt mind those coming up

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wagnerrp:

i only use it for... gasp... torrents

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

you can access them in firefox

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Shadow__X:

i dont like torrents

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Shadow__X:

yeah i know

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Shadow__X:

but i like notificatiosn

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wagnerrp:

so what was the problem with trillian

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wagnerrp:

you like notification, but didnt like that it notified you?

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wagnerrp:

or just didnt like the system tray popup?

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Shadow__X:

with the plugin in trillian i would fill the whole left screen of each story

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wagnerrp:

i never remember it having that problem

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Shadow__X:

i like the idea of notifications but rather it be a notification like how rythmbox or amarok notifies you of the next some

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Shadow__X:

i also rather use something this time around that runs natively on linux

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Shadow__X:

hmm i think i should just use litherea untill i can use the n810 as a rss reader

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squidly:

is there a way to make myth rip a dvd from a image?

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Shadow__X:

that thing is freaing awesome

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Shadow__X:

you mean burn a dvd from a iso

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Shadow__X:

or rip a dvd to an iso

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squidly:

Shadow__X: I've already ripped it to an ISO

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squidly:

I want to use mythdvd to rip/transcode it for me

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

dont know if it does that

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp,

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Shadow__X:

can mythtv do that

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wagnerrp:

mount it as a loopback device, and tell mythtv to rip that

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squidly:

I tried setting it to listen /mnt/dvd (which I used a loopback)

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wagnerrp:

never done it myself, but it should work

[05:36:54]

wagnerrp:

never used optical media with myth, or mythtranscode either

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squidly:

wagnerrp: ahh okies.

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squidly:

hmm

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squidly:

i wonder

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Shadow__X:

arey ou planing on doing this often

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Shadow__X:

because if not just do it manually

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squidly:

Shadow__X: as long as I have to use something like ddrescue to copy/backup my dvd's yes

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

anyone remember ratdvd

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squidly:

ratdvd?

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Shadow__X:

yeah windows app that shrunk a 4gig dvd to about 2 gigs

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Shadow__X:

but you where able to bring it back to the full 4gig again

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squidly:

Shadow__X: ahh coolness

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Shadow__X:

!google

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Shadow__X:

no work?

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Shadow__X:

!search

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squidly:

I guess I will try dvd::rip

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Shadow__X:

!help

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wagnerrp:

yeah... thats not possible

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Shadow__X:

!list

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squidly:

wagnerrp: blast :(

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 does not losslessly compress like that

[05:41:27]

wagnerrp:

well neither does any decently compressed audio or video

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Shadow__X:

http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_softw . . . s/ratdvd.cfm

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea I know

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squidly:

I would love to find a nice easy way to rip/transcode my dvd's

[05:42:03]

squidly:

dvd-rip does not work that well :(

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i end up doing all my encoding in windows

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Shadow__X:

on a dedicated machine or virtual

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Shadow__X:

?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I may have to do that.

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wagnerrp:

my desktop

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wagnerrp:

my desktop remains windows

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squidly:

mine too

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squidly:

my desktop is linux (so is my server)

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Shadow__X:

http://assente.vega9.com/top_10_best_linux_dv . . . ng_software/

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wagnerrp:

my desktop is about as fast as the rest of my machines combined

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Shadow__X:

ah nice

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Shadow__X:

no good for linux?

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wagnerrp:

i prefer not to run linux

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wagnerrp:

i dont like linux on a desktop

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Shadow__X:

ah ok any reason in particular?

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wagnerrp:

ill use it on a workstation if necessary to interface with other hardware

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wagnerrp:

but i just dont really like any of the desktop managers

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Shadow__X:

ah you like windows better?

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wagnerrp:

basically

[05:45:57]

Shadow__X:

kde?

[05:46:01]

Shadow__X:

its close

[05:46:01]

wagnerrp:

linux has its place, its not on my desktop

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Shadow__X:

heh

[05:46:09]

Shadow__X:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i dislike kde, my laptop runs gnome

[05:46:22]

Shadow__X:

yeah i like ghome

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Shadow__X:

if need be i run xfce

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Shadow__X:

i want to try others i just dont like to right click to get my menu

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Shadow__X:

thats not for me

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wagnerrp:

i ran fluxbox for a while

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wagnerrp:

but there was now way for me to readily manage my wireless card with it

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Shadow__X:

althought i am sure with enough poking and proding you can get xfce like windows

[05:47:36]

Shadow__X:

ah hmm

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Shadow__X:

isnt fluxbox older

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Shadow__X:

it feels that way

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wagnerrp:

well its extremely basic

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squidly:

wagnerrp: that was my issues with fb as well

[05:48:06]

wagnerrp:

its not a desktop manager, only a window manager

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squidly:

that is some other thigns

[05:48:19]

wagnerrp:

but i fell in love with the tabbing

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Shadow__X:

hmm

[05:49:13]

wagnerrp:

in fb, the window manager handles tabs

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squidly:

wagnerrp: lol

[05:49:20]

wagnerrp:

so any application can be tabbed onto another

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squidly:

wagnerrp: I actually hated that ;)

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

really? that was the most fantastic thing ive ever seen in a desktop GUI

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea.. it annoyed me.

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squidly:

though I'm starting to get used to it in xfce (thahnks to gentoo breaking eterm on me)

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wagnerrp:

xfce has that ability?

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squidly:

wagnerrp: the terminal app does

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wagnerrp:

well thats just tabbing, thats not pervasive tabbing

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squidly:

I've not really tested it out with anyother app (simply because I dont like that ability)

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clever:

gnome-terminal is able to split the tabs out into there own window

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clever:

but it cant merge them back into one as far as i know

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wagnerrp:

clever: yes, but i cannot bring firefox in as a tab either

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clever:

yeah that too looks imposible with the current layout

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wagnerrp:

thats what fb was designed around

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clever:

enless you have a tab bar added by the WM to overlay it

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clever:

that neither app knows/cares about

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wagnerrp:

thats basically what they did

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clever:

which may lead to 2 tab bars:P

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wagnerrp:

no, just one

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wagnerrp:

gnome adds a non-tabbing bar

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wagnerrp:

(the one with the window title)

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clever:

but if the firefox you put into a tab, has its own tabs

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wagnerrp:

so you dont use tabs, you just open everything in windows

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wagnerrp:

or, you have two sets of tabs

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clever:

yeah you could do that:P

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wagnerrp:

its the same amount of resources one way or the other

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

a problem i can see btween explorer(windows) firefox and ie

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wagnerrp:

?

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clever:

all the 'seperate' windows share a process

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Steven_M:

wagnerrp: I think I'll give up trying to get mtd to work, I created the log file where it wants and it's still not logging

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clever:

if 1 window segfaults they all explode

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wagnerrp:

well explorer you can fix that

[05:57:26]

clever:

yeah in explorer i have an option to turn it off

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clever:

and in firefox ive got -no-remote and profiles to seperate certain tasks

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wagnerrp:

-no-remote?

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clever:

firefox will by default try to contact the window thats allready open

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clever:

then new window/tab the url

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wagnerrp:

right

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clever:

-no-remote forces it to not do so and just start a whole new isolated process

[05:58:47]

Shadow__X:

i ordered a hvr-1600

[05:58:51]

wagnerrp:

really...

[05:58:53]

Shadow__X:

yay finally analog for me

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clever:

but you cant run a profile twice so you need -P something also

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clever:

or -profile-manager

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wagnerrp:

ive always found it annoying that i cannot start a new firefox in the same X server

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wagnerrp:

even if one was ssh-tunneled

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clever:

yeah, moar -no-remote!

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wagnerrp:

it would refuse to open along side the previous one

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clever:

then it wont contact the existing one

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clever:

firefox-3.0 -profilemanager %u -no-remote

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wagnerrp:

of course if you open a third with remote, where does it open

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clever:

ive got that on my gnome-panel so i can start diff profiles along side eachother

[06:00:36]

clever:

not shure which one answers the remote query so i just dont use it much thru that

[06:01:11]

clever:

but also java causes ff3 to explode so i have a whole profile for a java game, which also sucks 100% cpu in 3d so i renice it

[06:01:15]

clever:

nice -n 10 firefox -P rs -no-remote

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wagnerrp:

anyone know of a scriptable vwm for windows, besides litestep?

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wagnerrp:

every year or two, i get a yearning for some VWM, so i start up litestep over top of explorer

[06:02:28]

Steven_M:

wagnerrp: maybe it's a bug in my version

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wagnerrp:

of course theres all sorts of problems, so i stop using litestep

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wagnerrp:

for another year or so

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clever:

wagnerrp: i think you can use xming and stuff to hijack the entire windows screen and then use any X11 prog/wm fullscreen

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clever:

but i dont think it can handle native windows programs at the same time

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wagnerrp:

you created the file, are running mtd as root, and it still gives the same file access error?

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wagnerrp:

clever: do you know what a VWM is?

[06:03:51]

clever:

havent heard of Vwm

[06:04:08]

wagnerrp:

thats the thing that lets you have multiple virtual desktops that you can flip between

[06:04:23]

wagnerrp:

'virtual window manager'

[06:04:24]

clever:

yeah ive got that on compiz and metacity and kwm

[06:04:33]

clever:

and i think ive seen it on windows also

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clever:

seperate desktops

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wagnerrp:

its got nothing to do with compiz

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wagnerrp:

its the little boxes on your respective panel

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clever:

compiz can just display all of them on a cube for effect

[06:05:18]

wagnerrp:

ah

[06:05:33]

clever:

and you can spin the cube when changing between them

[06:05:54]

wagnerrp:

i have no need for anything fancy, just the basic function

[06:05:57]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

ive got compiz off atm

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clever:

i bearly even use the 2nd desktop lately

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wagnerrp:

i cant run compiz anyway

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wagnerrp:

my laptop doesnt have the power, and my desktop has more than one card/display

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clever:

its mainly when i have 7 xterms and ssh open

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clever:

then i run out of room on the list of open apps

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clever:

and compiz can easily slide between them

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clever:

when i touch my mouse to the left/right the cube just spins over to the next side

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clever:

ugh

[06:08:58]

clever:

things like drag&drop can be a pain

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Steven_M:

is mtd essential for recording TV as well as ripping DVD's?

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squidly:

no

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squidly:

mtd is only needed for dvd transcoding

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clever:

firefox constantly detects drags where none exist

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clever:

and it steals all input so i cant alt+tab till i convince it im not draging

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wagnerrp:

hence my lack of running desktop linux

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Steven_M:

squidly: that's good

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clever:

the only time its a real problem is when firefox is heavily swaping

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wagnerrp:

theres not enough consistency

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clever:

and so it takes 20mins to convince it

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clever:

faster to ctrl+alt+f1 and kill -9 `pidof firefox`

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clever:

i do most of my work in terminal

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clever:

gui is mainly for hires xterm and firefox

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Shadow__X:

hey clever

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Shadow__X:

2 questions

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Shadow__X:

you there

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clever:

maybe

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Shadow__X:

how old are you if you dont mind me asking

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clever:

I am 21.38277 years old. (I'll be 22 in 32wks 1day 22hrs 35mins.)

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Shadow__X:

ah alright

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Shadow__X:

i thought you where younger for some reason

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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clever:

most people think im older:P

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Shadow__X:

did you come up with that number off the top of your head

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clever:

scripted

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

thats sad

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clever:

most people think im too smart to be young

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Shadow__X:

well the other question is

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clever:

a few think im too smart to be human and call me skynet:P

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Shadow__X:

do you go outside

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clever:

sometimes i do

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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clever:

for example right now im about a 6 hour drive from home:P

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clever:

had to leave the house to get in the jeep

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clever:

and go outside again to enter the hotel:P

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Shadow__X:

going outside to go into a car to be back inside doesnt count

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styelz:

hehe

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clever:

some days i do go out just for a hour long walk in the woods:P

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Steven_M:

clever: oh no skynet! :D Only John Conner save us

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clever:

lol

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wagnerrp:

so youre like the kid in grandma's boy?

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Shadow__X:

heh

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Shadow__X:

do you smoke clever

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clever:

wagnerrp: dont remember that show, but i did spend 2 nights at grandmas this week:P

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Shadow__X:

and that movie was so bad it was funny

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clever:

Shadow__X: nope, never smoked

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Shadow__X:

clever, its a movie

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, only kinda fits

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clever:

shows you how much i know of the movie:P

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i was referring to the other guy, the one who thought he was a robot

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

actualyl

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Shadow__X:

ok

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Shadow__X:

WE GOT A MATCH!!!

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Shadow__X:

how did she see me

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Shadow__X:

i was invisible

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Shadow__X:

now i want to watch the movie again

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clever:

been driving all over the place lately

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clever:

down to st. john, then pugwash then pei and back to pugwash and now halifax

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Shadow__X:

anyone know of a newsgroup reader that supports ssl besides thunderbird

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wagnerrp:

i havent used newsgroups in like 12 years

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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styelz:

Shadow__X: some ok suggestions here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=549035

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** cesman was just about to point that out.. **

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Shadow__X:

thanks i am looking at it

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Shadow__X:

stunnel opens a ssl connection?

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justinh:

clever: aren't you yet old enough to express your age as an integer?

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wagnerrp:

hence the robot noises when he moves

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justinh:

shhh. if he finds out for himself it could damage his programming

[08:05:46]

clever:

lol

[08:06:00]

clever:

no i havent found that port in the back of my head:P

[08:06:04]

clever:

or neck

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justinh:

it's not on your head. the designers thought it would be funny

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clever:

lol

[08:06:39]

justinh:

they don't call it arse232 for nothing

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justinh:

badoom tish

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clever:

lol

[08:06:55]

clever:

theres no port there either:P

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mzb_d800:

I can't reach my own on/off button either ;)

[08:07:14]

wagnerrp:

its USB, just shove the cable up there

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mzb_d800:

(permanently off;)

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clever:

justinh: then explain why i have red blood:P

[08:08:20]

justinh:

oh that'd be another neat design feature

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wagnerrp:

not blood, non-conductive cooling fluid

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clever:

then what about the other humman like injuries like that knee i blew a few years back:P

[08:09:12]

clever:

arent machines suposed to be more durable

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mzb_d800:

poor workmanship

[08:09:22]

justinh:

all design features. jees you could've spotted the signs

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clever:

lol

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clever:

that still doesnt explain why i need sleep

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justinh:

btw you might have seen those alcohol-powered robots round your way – some go faulty & have to consume alcohol all day in the sitting position on a charging station (aka a chair on the front porch) just to stay functioning. it's tragic

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mzb_d800:

simulated recharge from interal combustion

[08:11:08]

mzb_d800:

s/internal

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wagnerrp:

i assume this means im the only one who has seen Grandma's Boy

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clever:

justinh: i have never even tried that fuel yet:P

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wagnerrp:

...not surprising, its a crappy movie

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justinh:

sounds a bit like the film I thought was the Ali G movie.. AI

[08:11:59]

justinh:

s/bit/lot

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mzb_d800:

you're not drinking warm beer again are you justinh? ;)

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wagnerrp:

no, about some game development company

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wagnerrp:

one of the developers is a complete geek, dresses like hes out of the matrix, and makes robot noises as he moves

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mzb_d800:

speaking of which ...

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justinh:

no but I feel like I had about a dozen beers last night. i.e. not too good

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clever:

wagnerrp: that sounds more like a defect in his brain:P

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justinh:

anyway mzb_d800 I'd never drink a warm beer! gimme some credit please

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wagnerrp:

brewers themselves drink warm beer

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justinh:

they do that in the south of the UK too. no taste, some people

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justinh:

got a pint of the local stuff while I was in cornwall. it was room temperature. bleugh

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mzb_d800:

ah that's right, we export to the uk ;)

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justinh:

technically what I drink is lager. beer is the warm flat stuff

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mzb_d800:

:)

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Shadow__X:

hello everyone

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justinh:

hey hey

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Shadow__X:

anyone got something good to max out 4 cores

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mzb_d800:

stress?

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justinh:

make -j5

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Shadow__X:

yeah stress test

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Shadow__X:

justinh, will that destroy the machine

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Shadow__X:

or just not stop

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Shadow__X:

i want to stress test but i need it to do all 4 cores

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justinh:

cpuburn?

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

burnP6?

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mzb_d800:

no .. I mean "# stress -c4'

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Shadow__X:

huh

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wagnerrp:

if you want to stress it, you really need a cpuburn

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wagnerrp:

theyre designed to stress a lot of functions not typically used

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Shadow__X:

cpuburn doesnt run

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mzb_d800:

# apt-get install stress

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, cpuburn uses burnk7 burnp4

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Shadow__X:

that kind of stuff

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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mzb_d800:

and it's not multi-cpu iirc

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

ive only used it under windows

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Shadow__X:

what should i use to mon temps

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Shadow__X:

yeah so have i wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

and to get it multicore, you just... run four copies

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mzb_d800:

# watch sensors

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Shadow__X:

sensors not found

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mzb_d800:

or gkrellmd + remote gkrellm

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mzb_d800:

# apt-get install lm-sensors

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mzb_d800:

# sensors-detect

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Shadow__X:

hmm still not working

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Shadow__X:

still see no sensors

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wagnerrp:

'rehash'

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Shadow__X:

?

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wagnerrp:

csh requires you to do that to refresh the $path commands

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Shadow__X:

i ran rehash and its not a command

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wagnerrp:

well then its probably not required

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Shadow__X:

i was trying to max out all cores to see if the fan would automatically increase speed

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Shadow__X:

its a shuttle and its currently on smart mode

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Shadow__X:

and wanted to see how smart it was

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Shadow__X:

thanks guys

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Shadow__X:

ttyl its sleepy time

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dman-_:

hrm mythtv freezes while trying to read my media library

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dman-_:

in ubuntu

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jduggan:

virii

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sid3windr:

EW

[09:06:10]

jduggan:

i suggest you format

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jduggan:

;]

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jduggan:

start a fresh, just to be sure

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Puhi:

any experiences of Panasonic TH-42PZ80 plasma tvs?

[09:13:03]

justinh:

I've never been on a date with one if that's what you mean

[09:13:16]

justinh:

(I only ever date LCD TVs)

[09:13:48]

Maliuta:

kinky

[09:14:33]

styelz:

i have an LG RT-42PZ46V plasma

[09:14:44]

styelz:

kinda old

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styelz:

i mean 45V

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justinh:

what exactly are you trying to find out here?

[09:16:47]

justinh:

whether anybody owns one and is happy with it? do you already have one & need help getting it to work in its native mode under linux? que?

[09:17:22]

justinh:

specific questions tend to produce more postive responses ;)

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Maliuta:

anyone know if it's possible to just get a usb irda dongle and use a standard remote (tv/dvd/whatever) with myth?

[09:42:36]

justinh:

irda != consumer IR

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Maliuta:

cool

[09:43:08]

justinh:

and besides, you can probably buy an MCE remote kit (remote & receiver) for the same money or less

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justinh:

!= means not the same

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Maliuta:

I know that

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rambo3:

you can use your cell phone

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justinh:

just making sure

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Maliuta:

I have only been coding for about 15 years

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justinh:

you never know in here :)

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Maliuta:

so it may be a new concept for me

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justinh:

I never assume anything, is all

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Maliuta:

I'm just looking for a remote solution for a frontend box

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justinh:

well, just about any MCE remote kit will do fine

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Maliuta:

I have remotes that come with the tuners

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rambo3:

that will work

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justinh:

but they suck because they're the cheap-ass tiny fiddly ones?

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justinh:

and you'd like a _proper_ remote instead ;)

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rambo3:

like proper media center

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Maliuta:

any remote would do.

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justinh:

well, some TV tuner remote receivers can learn signals from other remotes

[09:45:33]

Maliuta:

I was wondering about the MCE ones and support under linux

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justinh:

lirc supports a lot of TV tuner remote receivers

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justinh:

MCE ones are about the best supported & probably the easiest to get working out of the box

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Maliuta:

if lirc supports tv tuner remote, how is it getting the signal into it?

[09:47:45]

Maliuta:

I figure if I can get some sort of generic receiver that will get signals into lirc the rest I can just hack up myself

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justinh:

well, the tuner comes with a little receiver dongle thingy attached to a cable, you plug the cable into the tuner card & electronics on the card decodes the received IR signal.

[09:48:05]

Maliuta:

ahh dvb tuner

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justinh:

no, analogue tuners have those too

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Maliuta:

sorry. I was thinking "tv tuner" == "consumer tv"

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justinh:

I use a serial port receiver which can learn from any remote (in theory)

[09:49:02]

justinh:

you can buy them or make them yourself

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justinh:

not as elegant as a USB receiver though

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justinh:

lol @ the IE7 spam on the -dev list

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justinh:

oh hell. I really wish I'd never clicked on this video. goatse is one thing. fundamentalist christianity is something else

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mzb_d800:

Maliuta: my preferred option is serial lirc (homebrew)

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mzb_d800:

elegance is something that probably costs more ;)

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justinh:

gah, damn shiny laptop screen

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laga:

ugh

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justinh:

oh well so much for convalenscing in the garden sunshine

[11:28:22]

laga:

get some real hardware ;)

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justinh:

how many laptop screens are still readable in bright sunlight?

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justinh:

not many I bet

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Dibblah:

OLPC is ;)

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justinh:

mahahahaha

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laga:

mine is readable outside, but i avoid bright sunlight

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laga:

shiny laptop screens = teh suck IMHO

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justinh:

dunno what's up today. no sgade

[11:30:11]

justinh:

oh wait look at the time. that'd be why

[11:31:15]

justinh:

that's better. changed colour settings in putty

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styelz:

20 mins to go

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justinh:

til what? some anticlimax?

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styelz:

olimpic opening ceremony

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justinh:

like I said...

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laga:

damnit

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** laga scans nfor anixe hd **

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** justinh wonders if the chinese are going to add to their smog problem with the smoke of zillions of fireworks :D **

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laga:

still not found

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justinh:

still, at least the 2012 olympics won't be ruined by bright sunshine :P

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styelz:

heh

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justinh:

maybe by facilities not being ready, but not by sunshine

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justinh:

and to think we, the taxpayers of the UK are funding it without our consent :-\

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justinh:

manchester should've gone for it. the 100m sprint with flat panel TV & game consoles under each arm. dodging police marksmen. that sort of thing. they'd be really good at it

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styelz:

lol

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Dibblah:

justinh: Haven't you heard? They have complete control of the weather – The smog will lift and it'll be sunny for the entirety of the games.

[11:38:02]

laga:

time to scan with mythtv-setup

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justinh:

Dibblah: heh

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styelz:

yes they have 2 rockets ready to shoot at the coulds to make it rain

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styelz:

coulds/clouds

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justinh:

only 2? :-O

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styelz:

hehe

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styelz:

no idea

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styelz:

probably shyt loads

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laga:

damn, now i can't find any HD channels

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styelz:

wonder if any bombs will go off

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** styelz looks for symbolism **

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** laga keeps fiddling with stuff to get a HD feed **

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styelz:

weee

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styelz:

bring on the s1w's

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laga:

looks like i've just fried my DVB card.

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laga:

ouch.

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styelz:

reboot see if it helps ?

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styelz:

or change slots

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laga:

i tried that. it's probably not in sitting properly in the slot

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justinh:

fried? oof!

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justinh:

how would you manage that? they're not all that fragile, pci cards. if they were I'd have sent a few to PC heaven by now

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laga:

i plugged the antenna cable in

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styelz:

lol

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justinh:

hmm there might be an outside chance you took out a polyfuse on the LNB power line

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Nido:

q/q

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styelz:

lol. again

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justinh:

they're supposed to reset themselves on overcurrent when it goes away but sometimes they just go poof

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laga:

it's dvb-c

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laga:

seems to be better now. phew

[12:21:09]

laga:

yay, got anixe hd now!

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laga:

i took out a cheap splitter

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justinh:

yay!

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justinh:

need an active one, or just a lower-loss one then

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laga:

my card costs like 70â‚¬ so i'm really glad.

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laga:

i have more about 15m of cheap coax going thru my room. that should be replaced too

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laga:

surprise. currently, there are no olympics on anixe hd ;)

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styelz:

these slaves are trained well

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laga:

"[h264 @ 0x7f9ac404d630]Interlaced pictures + spatial direct mode is not implemented"

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laga:

gah

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laga:

heh. mythfrontend is running at 160% on a core 2 duo 1,83GHz

[12:31:43]

laga:

1080i content with linearblend as deinterlacer

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justinh:

oof!

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laga:

time for coreavc.

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justinh:

wouldn't bet my house on it being much better

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laga:

justinh: it'd be better if it didn't segfault.. and if those annoying messages would go away

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laga:

my parents are leaving on sunday and i can have their flat screen ;)

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justinh:

you that bad at home – they're leaving you? lol

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laga:

they promised to come back ;)

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blackest:

justin you looked at the vonage dlink vta-uv ?

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blackest:

pc world have em for Â£15

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justinh:

nope

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blackest:

and i think they can be reprovisioned

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justinh:

kinda gone cold on the idea of VOIP

[12:36:48]

justinh:

having to rely on a mobile for emergency calls would worry me

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blackest:

i've gone a little crazy just bought a panasonic pabx and 12 phones

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justinh:

esp. since the last time I needed to make a call – all our mobiles were nicked

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blackest:

ah

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blackest:

voip should be ok if there is power thou

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blackest:

you'd be especially unlucky to lose power and get burgled at the same time

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styelz:

isnt that how it happens

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GreyFoxx:

There are some pretty cool little units which will use regular phone lines, wifi and cellphones as the phone source

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blackest:

probably about the same odds as someone cutting your phone line anyway

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GreyFoxx:

So if you are home it connects your cellphone into the house wiring so your phones all go through the cell, but can switch to wifi if the cell isn't available, and failing that use a standard pots line

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GreyFoxx:

they can even act as a charger for the cellphone

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GreyFoxx:

I've got afriend with one

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blackest:

that sounds good

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GerhardSchr:

hi

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justinh:

voip would be useless if anybody nicked the cable box though – and that happens

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blackest:

my mda pro has wifi on board but i've never really used it for phone use

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GreyFoxx:

snip 1 wire to kill the alarm phone line and you could easily kill the hardphones too

[12:42:07]

GreyFoxx:

in the end, the cell is the easiest option, but hardest for the authorities to verify your location if you can't tell them when you call

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GreyFoxx:

Here in Canada we had 1 instance of a VOIP user who moved, but did NOT inform the voip provider of the new location

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blackest:

however chances of getting a police response in under 15 minutes is pretty low anyway

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GreyFoxx:

so when a 911 call went out, all they had was the old billing address

[12:43:27]

GreyFoxx:

so 911 went to the wrong house and the child who could have been saved ended up dying

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blackest:

bad for the child but a bit of a darwin effect thou

[12:44:28]

GreyFoxx:

They had been paying the bills online and had not noticed that the page they went to in order to check the bill and pay it listed their old address

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GreyFoxx:

that or were too lazy to do it

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blackest:

they thought the voip provider was psychic

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GreyFoxx:

Of course they blame the voip provider for not somehow knowing they moved

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blackest:

anyways I need to go off line for a while while i see if my vonage box is properly locked

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blackest:

their prices are not good i get skype call out for Â£4 a month versus Â£6 a month for 2 with vonage

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blackest:

and then it goes up after 6 months

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blackest:

and a termination fee

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blackest:

any way bye for for now

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GreyFoxx:

skype in my experience has been crap, but it is cheap that's for sure

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GreyFoxx:

but I admit that I'm biased :)

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justinh:

skype, rhymes with hype :)

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laga:

does someone have the coreavc trial handy? i can't download it

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RandomShadowMan:

hey

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RandomShadowMan:

does mythtv work with SA4250HDC firewire?

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RandomShadowMan:

?

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RandomShadowMan:

im on windows trying to capture hd and sd using my SA4250HDC but all it does it crash and the info never shows and i know my channels are unencrypted

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RandomShadowMan:

does HVR-1250 work with mythtv?

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justinh:

the question is really – does the HVR-1250 work on linux?

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teprrr:

hi, is there any way to speed-up the playback of h.264? xvmc is not available

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laga:

try the coreavc patch?

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justinh:

use a dual core cpu, if the video is encoded in slices

[14:36:42]

laga:

i'm trying it right now

[14:36:51]

justinh:

http://www.viddler.com/explore/hughgarry/videos/5/ &ndas h; whoah

[14:37:21]

teprrr:

laga, url?

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teprrr:

laga, and does it work for you? :)

[14:37:37]

laga:

google ;)

[14:37:57]

laga:

well, playback seems to be working... just got it working one minute ago

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teprrr:

laga, what kind of system do you have? did it work without the patch how well?

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laga:

teprrr: http://code.google.com/p/coreavc-for-linux/

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laga:

i have a core 2 duo 1,83GHz. it worked without the patch, kind of. ffmpeg is still missing some features

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laga:

it'd segfault eventually

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laga:

or these features are probably in ffmpeg, but not in mythtv yet

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teprrr:

laga, ahh. okies

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laga:

it's stuttering wwith coreavc.. i guess it'll need more tweaking

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justinh:

tried the skiploopfilter thingies?

[14:42:37]

laga:

i think i can do that in coreavc, too..

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teprrr:

I have amd x2 4600+ (2,4GHz) here and it stutters with the default setup :/

[14:42:57]

laga:

it's using more CPU than with ffmpeg now. weird.

[14:43:10]

laga:

teprrr: did you enable multithreading?

[14:43:18]

teprrr:

I was just thinking about that

[14:43:25]

teprrr:

ie. whether it's possible to use multiple cores to decode

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laga:

dug

[14:43:29]

laga:

yeah

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laga:

damn livetv bug!!!

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laga:

it was using greedyh

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justinh:

mahahaha

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justinh:

oops

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justinh:

so don't use livetv.

[14:44:03]

laga:

just for testing.

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justinh:

you know live is just an anagram of evil, right?

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justinh:

so er.. there's a bug where the wrong deinterlacer is used? how the hell?

[14:44:56]

laga:

yes.

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justinh:

heh. you live a day & learn a thing or two :)

[14:45:25]

laga:

assume you have an entry for stuff < 720x576 and one for > 720x576 in your playback profile

[14:45:44]

laga:

in live tv, it can happen that it selects the wrong entry, IIRC due to the dummy video stream

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laga:

greedyhdeint: size changed from 0 x 0 -> 720 x 576

[14:46:05]

laga:

greedyhdeint: size changed from 720 x 576 -> 1920 x 1088

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laga:

-> oops.

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justinh:

ah the dummy stream it uses while it's waiting for the real data to come along

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laga:

this show on anixe hd is more grainy than 300

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justinh:

grain is ok. blocks, not so much ;)

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justinh:

go to the cinema these days laga – if it's not digitally projected the grains look the size of tennis balls

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laga:

and even if it is? i hear the film resolution is higher than what these 2k projectors can do :)

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laga:

reboot. time for some overclocking :)

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justinh:

hehehe

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justinh:

is that all digi projectors are.. 2k? blugh

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laga:

justinh: the c't (german computer mag) claims that a 1080p home projector setup might look better ;)

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laga:

justinh: some are 4k, though

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laga:

let's see how well this works at 2.33GHz

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neztiti:

hi guys

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neztiti:

no egp here men whats wrong with me?

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justinh:

I don't got no egp either. however my epg is just fine

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justinh:

well, time to take the mad doggy for a walk

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styelz:

w00f

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neztiti:

ï»¿ justinh: its unknown all the time

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teprrr:

laga, are you running trunk or 0.21-fixes?

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laga:

-fixes

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teprrr:

okies, trunk may contain some h.264 related fixes

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teprrr:

will try it next

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teprrr:

I'm having cpu usage of 60–70% for both cores, but the image stutters :/

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laga:

what's in the log?

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laga:

i think my coreavc setup is stuttering because of bit errors

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laga:

in the stream

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RandomShadowMan:

anyone tried hauppauge hd pvr?

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justinh:

RandomShadowMan: it's not what you might call 'stable' yet – early days

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Puhi:

mysql tables keep crashing on me

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justinh:

wow. funny but in 4 years my database has only ever had trouble twice – both times because / got full

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Puhi:

it's weird

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justinh:

course, if it's because mythbackend keeps falling over, leaving the db in a weird state that never helps

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Puhi:

backend is not crashing

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Puhi:

have to look into it

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Puhi:

but now I gotta run

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justinh:

or if you reboot the machine a lot inexplicably

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Puhi:

off to Helsinki and Tallinn ->

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justinh:

or if you have memory problems...

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andreax:

Puuuh. Bicycling at 90deg F isn't a nice job....

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justinh:

since Uk summer kicked in properly I dont bike much anymore. I don't like rain much

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laga:

hum hum

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andreax:

Yesterday they told us we get blizzards overall and humandangerous weather.... Now the sun shines like hell. We got around 3 or 4 raindrops here today...

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laga:

i've moved my backend closer to the antenna outlet and i still get lots of artefacts :(

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andreax:

justinh: Its that I sometimes bike to work and back... but its not fun at this temp

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justinh:

I can imagine

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laga:

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andreax:

even not for my colleagues if I arrive... giggle...

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justinh:

my workplace at least has a shower but it's 35 miles away

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andreax:

Pooh. Good training if you do this with a bike every day... :) Im sure you could beat Lance in the future then... hehe

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justinh:

laga: ouchy. signal level doesn't look too hot though. what is it with the cable out? some drivers are still worky back to front ;)

[15:37:28]

justinh:

35 miles away == I don't even think about riding to work

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andreax:

hihihi...

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mkrufky:

"some drivers are still worky back to front" what does that mean, justinh ?

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mkrufky:

what device does laga have?

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justinh:

mkrufky: signal levels are inverted. though maybe that's been fixed by now, said the man running on a paleolithic kernel

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mkrufky:

lol

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laga:

mkrufky: a knc1 tv-station dvb-c

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mkrufky:

tda10023

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mkrufky:

ok

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justinh:

unplug the aerial, I get a signal of FFFF

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laga:

justinh: numbers don't change if i pull the plug

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justinh:

eew

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mkrufky:

justinh is right — the signal reading is backwards

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justinh:

that's not good either

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laga:

i wonder if it needs to re-tune to pick up the change?

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mkrufky:

consider it as 0x10000 – {signal reading}

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justinh:

maybe your coax is broken laga

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mkrufky:

and even still, that is not in standard units of dB

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laga:

justinh: i'll try another one

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justinh:

I know, it's from the tuner AGC voltage

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mkrufky:

i dont have that datasheet, so i cant say what units it is

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andreax:

With my msi digivox II v3.0 the signal seems to depend anyhow on the processor load of the pc... Sometimes its around 82%, another channel on the same transponder then say its only 32% – but all is working fine. I not trust the signal level anymore...

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justinh:

it could never be absolute when the tuners all have AGC ;)

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justinh:

andreax: sounds like a PSU issue you've got going on there

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justinh:

the inside of a PC is not a very hospitable place for low level radio signals ;)

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andreax:

justinh: Hmmmm.... Until now I blamed the af9015 driver and its preliminary character... With my both bttv cards, the signal level seems to be correct. I think the main issue is that damish mobo...

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justinh:

not that USB tuners are any kind of magic bullet either

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justinh:

signal quality definitely shouldn't vary with CPU load, that's for sure

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andreax:

Its hard to make a choice, cause there are more. One that transport the whole transponder to the app, and another that got a pid filter for usb1.x

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

and it's tricky to know which one you're getting when you buy them too since what's inside changes as often as the sun sets

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justinh:

oh yeah that Freecom usb thing is supported. oh wait THAT freecom thing? ahh well they changed the chipset.. </example>

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andreax:

I also realize with that mobo that sometimes the usb that aren't under permantly power (even if the pc is off) won't get initialized... I think the whole usb implementation of this sucking oem board is totally crap. The last bios of the oem is 1006, while the last original Asus is 1016 – I think that sais all...

[15:45:36]

andreax:

So true... :(

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justinh:

the one consolation is they tend to be cheap enough for that not to matter

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andreax:

hehehe... :) As I bought it I asked if I can bring it back if it won't work with linux...

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andreax:

Tons of words on the package, but nothing really interesting...

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justinh:

last tuner I bought I took care to divert the conversation away from what I'd be using it with

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justinh:

as far as they knew, it was for a windows PC running XP. which reminds me I need to find a cheap XP licence

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justinh:

ow. Â£60 for a Pos OS? bah I hate manufacturers who force users

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andreax:

Hell cheap! :)

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justinh:

thought it'd be cheaper thna that by now

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andreax:

Whoot? The Olympics opening takes 5 hours???

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laga:

wow

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justinh:

jees & now I find out XP Home isn't multi-cpu compatible

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andreax:

Not?

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sid3windr:

yeah

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justinh:

Pro it is then. tempted by the dark side already

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sid3windr:

it's HOME

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sid3windr:

:)

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andreax:

I got a quadcore with home on it and its using all 4 cores...

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andreax:

I know it's a waste for xp... :)

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justinh:

just read it only works with one cpu

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andreax:

hmmm... can't confirm this...

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andreax:

Maybe any hidden driver from the mobo handles it to load all cores?

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andreax:

Anyway, in the near future, this pc becomes my new backend... so, no matter... :)

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justinh:

well, time to go make a nice image of this lappy

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andreax:

lappy?

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andreax:

Okay, the fire is burning, so lets start he sports....

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andreax:

Is it possible to control mythtv with a touchscreen ?

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justinh:

nope

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andreax:

*cry*

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justinh:

not entirely anyway

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justinh:

mythtv needs more mouse support for that to work

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laga:

justinh: doh. i'm playing the livetv recording now

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laga:

and it's not skipping anymore

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justinh:

what was it? teh cables?

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andreax:

I saw a case with a small vga touchscreen in it – it looks so cute....

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laga:

i guess it was a livetv oddity

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justinh:

andreax: the screen is cute IMHO but the case is as big as a frickin washing macine

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andreax:

ROFL

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laga:

hum. it's a bit jittery, but i'll blame that on the video timing method. bah, usleep

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justinh:

you are KIDDING me! C: has over 40GB used. got some programs installed & all my music & data are on d: FFS

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andreax:

justinh: You know which I mean? Did I posted it in the past? I can't remember... :)

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justinh:

probably a silverstone thing with the 7" LCD touchscreen

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justinh:

there aren't many to choose from

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andreax:

http://www.kmelektronik.de/main_site/main.php . . . 9&Shop=0 I only know it with germanized brandnames... Sorry for german dealer...

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andreax:

But 281 EUR is not nice priced... :(

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laga:

280â‚¬

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laga:

ouch

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andreax:

Some weeks ago they tried to get 299 EUR

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andreax:

and more weeks ago 350

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justinh:

I have a smaller suitcase than that

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laga:

hum. i wonder why i'm not seeing any interlacing artefacts. the stream i supposed to be interlaced

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andreax:

I find its stylish puristic and functional (if the touchscreen would work with myth) – would great wrap to my Amplifier...

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sid3windr:

justinh: one cpu but can be multiple cores

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justinh:

oh sod it – I think I'll just go ahead & install on here anyway. there's a recovery partition anyway

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sid3windr:

xp pro does 2 cpu's

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justinh:

sid3windr: ahh :)

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sid3windr:

but it happily does 8 cores

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andreax:

sid3winder: Aaaah!

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andreax:

hrhr

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sid3windr:

if you have a dual quadcore

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sid3windr:

and somehow windows can make this difference

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justinh:

bloody internet

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sid3windr:

a windows version that's from before multicore really existed

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sid3windr:

but it does ;)

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justinh:

well, time to boot the magic CD

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** sid3windr off home :) **

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andreax:

What you all use for coding mythtv? Just vi? :)

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justinh:

nano here, then kate

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eleben:

anyone experience "cannot find -lXxf86vm" when running make after patching

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laga:

what patch?

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andreax:

justinh: Aye, I thought a whole programming envoirement.

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justinh:

nah most of the stuff I've hacked on has been small, or else only XML files

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eleben:

using sasc-ng

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andreax:

ah, okay. I understand...

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justinh:

oh dear. you won't get support for that here eleben

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eleben:

thank you for the info

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laga:

heh, i knew it ;)

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justinh:

you wouldn't steal a DVD. You wouldn't steal toys from a bay. You wouldn't steal your grandmother's medication...

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eleben:

nope but I would FTA

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eleben:

i'm already a subscribing customer :)

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eleben:

anyways

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justinh:

hmm I wonder if the tv out port of my laptop takes a regular svideo plug

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abqjp:

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9922/chieftec_p . . . s/index.html

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laga:

mine does, but it no worky

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abqjp:

http://www.techpowerup.com/67809/Chieftec_Int . . . C_Cases.html

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laga:

hah, nice. that website is bitching about my ad blocker

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justinh:

ahh chieftec, that high quality PC case vendor of some reputation

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justinh:

:-\

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laga:

what's wrong with chieftec?

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justinh:

never heard of them

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justinh:

and wow what ugly boxes they make

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laga:

i've got a chieftec case and i like it

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laga:

they used to be very popular in germany, not sure about today

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justinh:

anyway what's with the fixation on black nowadays? what was so wrong with silver?

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laga:

well, it's silver

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justinh:

grey/silver.. shows marks less easily than black cases

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justinh:

and dust less easily

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mzb_d800:

silver is the new black? gee ... I'm behind the fashion (still;)

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Shadow__X:

hello everyone

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mzb_d800:

ps: silver doesn't age as well imo, and does look as good with (real) wood

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mrAshley:

When trying to transmit from hauppage 150 to dct2000 i get this error: lirc_pvr150: failed to get data for code 0, key 9036 — check lircd.conf entries

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mrAshley:

i've googled it, but there doesn't seem to be much regarding this. :-/

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ugnius:

hi, is there a way to move live tv programms i just watched to Default recording group so they are shown in mythfrontend (I've disabled autoexpire on them via mythweb)

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justinh:

yes there is

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ugnius:

justinh: if someone would share the knowledge how, i would be gratefull :)

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ugnius:

p.s. sorry for my Engrish

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justinh:

ugnius: well, you can select a recording and press the MENU or INFO to bring up a menu. there's an option called STORAGE OPTIONS where you can change the recording group if I remember correctly

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justinh:

well, that totally borked my laptop

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justinh:

and I can't do the recovery image thing cos that relies on the MBR being intact, which is pretty retarded

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ugnius:

justinh: thanks, but live tv ones does not show up in my recording list in mythfrontend, I must have missed some menu entry, anyway thanks

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jams:

ugnius- change the group to live tv first

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ugnius:

justinh: thanks for the tip i've found it

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justinh:

oh man, this whole thing sucks to high heaven. wonder if my wifey's laptop came with a vista disc

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Shadow__X:

is there a plyaer in linux that supports connecting directly to mythtb backend to retain commercial skip

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laga:

Shadow__X: mythfrontend?

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Shadow__X:

i want to use something other than the frontend

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Shadow__X:

frontend gives me screen corruption on this computer

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mkrufky:

mythweb

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Shadow__X:

bug in the new ati drivers

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mkrufky:

genious, no app will get past a graphic driver bug

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Shadow__X:

well

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mkrufky:

;-)

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Shadow__X:

i can watch them using totem

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Shadow__X:

fine

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Shadow__X:

using xv

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Shadow__X:

its a bug with certain apps

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justinh:

well, here goes nothing

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keith4:

boooo ATI

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Shadow__X:

mhm

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** sutula thinks frontend can be configured to use xv, but doesn't know how **

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keith4:

hooray, nvidia!

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Shadow__X:

sutula, yeah it does

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Shadow__X:

but

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Shadow__X:

lol

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mkrufky:

its in the configuration in the setup while in mythfrontend

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Shadow__X:

mythtvfrontend and wine gives me corruption

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sutula:

Don't drink while you compute?

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Shadow__X:

http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10940

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Shadow__X:

like that

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sebrock:

hey guys, where can I find the tag for where the pictures are placed on mythgallery folders etc.?

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thatdood:

should be in media settings i think

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thatdood:

media settings..Images Settings

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thatdood:

Directory to Hold Images: /var/lib/mythtv/pictures

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thatdood:

thats what mine says

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justinh:

I don't think you can define the placement of pictures on top of icons

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justinh:

if it was anywhere it'd be within gallery-ui.xml

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justinh:

and it isn't there

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thatdood:

oh, thought you meant where you place the pictures for mythgallery lol sorry

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gbee:

trust the Russians to start a war today

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

gbee, do you use rss

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thatdood:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/ge . . . l#cnnSTCText

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thatdood:

there ya go, Shadow

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Shadow__X:

no i got it

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7548715.stm

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thatdood:

is this over potatoes?

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Shadow__X:

i was just wondering because i am still looking for a rss reader that gives me notifications

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gbee:

Shadow__X: use rss in firefox, doesn't do notifications though

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Shadow__X:

ah ok i guess i got used to have notifications

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gbee:

myth will do rss notifications at some point, it's on my list

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Shadow__X:

ah sweet

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Shadow__X:

i am looking for something on my desktop atm though

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Shadow__X:

yarssr is close to what i want

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

almost there

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laga:

about 50% idle now when watching HD. nice

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Shadow__X:

rssticker for firefox is close to what i want

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Shadow__X:

is there a way to get kde applets to work on gnome

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Shadow__X:

gdesklets isnt owrking

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Shadow__X:

:(

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laga:

try asking in a more appropriate channel?

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Shadow__X:

i was just saying its dead in here

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Shadow__X:

maybe that would spark a convo

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Shadow__X:

if that doesnt work ill get something else

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Shadow__X:

:D

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laga:

try something like "mccain is better than obama"

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andreax:

lol

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laga:

i'm watching "phantom of the opera" now just because it's HD

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** cesman wonders if Shadow__X is a woman... **

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Shadow__X:

wow cesman ouch

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cesman:

just wondering...

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Shadow__X:

no i am not

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cesman:

only a woman would prattle about anything becuase it is quiet...

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** Shadow__X wonders if cesman has even seen a women lately **

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laga:

haha

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cesman:

she is in the bedroom thank you

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Shadow__X:

and where are you

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Shadow__X:

:)

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cesman:

where every I am, I'm certainly not worried about it being quiet

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cesman:

"Enjoy the silence."

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Shadow__X:

fine fine

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Shadow__X:

see ya

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justinh:

gbee: nice to see the US is backing Georgia. Jees

[19:17:02]

justinh:

oh well, don't have nightmares

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sebrock:

awh, no way of changing the photo size then... I think they look to big on the icons

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justinh:

edit the source?

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gbee:

or upgrade to trunk

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gbee:

not that I really recommend trunk without appropriate warnings

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gbee:

trunk may eat your children etc

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AndyCap:

it's an elephant?

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justinh:

well, apparently there's a way I can reinstall my laptop via the hidden backup partition but I need to edit the partition table to make it readable, run a program to restore the MBR...

[19:21:40]

justinh:

shoulda bought a laptop ages ago before vista was so obligatory

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laga:

i fixed that with an ubuntu disk

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justinh:

typical answer from somebody who doesn't rely on certain windows programs for their work :)

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laga:

heh

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justinh:

if there was software which could do what ableton does on linux, believe me I'd be all over it

[19:23:52]

justinh:

or sony vegas for that matter

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justinh:

my next machine is gonna be a mac, I think. start saving up now

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justinh:

ahh this takes me back. reinstalling a machine taking half a day & all of the night

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justinh:

Windows, twinned with Gentoo & watching paint dry :P

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laga:

sigh

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laga:

oh.

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laga:

interesting. just tried to watch a recording, it said "lost connection to backend server" and then it played

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dustybin:

justinh: mac = good move

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dustybin:

if windows was coded as well as os x id use windows too

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dustybin:

but it isnt

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justinh:

there's a lot to be said for linux coming with every driver under the sun

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justinh:

rotflmao.. "I'm sorry you're furious. I'm not sorry you're Brazilian."

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jarle:

On my mac mini frontend I have stereo sound through the optical output working just fine, however when I play DTS/AC3 I get no sound. Anybody have surround sound working on a mac mini frontend?

[20:14:41]

laga:

okay, time to get this build working properly..

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laga:

mythtv on intrepid is going to have coreavc support

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justinh:

jarle: you need to enable-ify ac3/dts passthru fella

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jarle:

I have turne on passthrough

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justinh:

ahh but is it pointing at the correct device?

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justinh:

aplay -L to listify the audio devices on the sound device

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jarle:

I'm using ALSA:default and passthrough is pointed to ALSA:iec958:{AES0 0x02}

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justinh:

there'll be a name followed by a colon & some BS. what you want to put in mythtv is ALSA:$name

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justinh:

that default didn't work for me cos my iec958 device is just called iec958

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justinh:

the default assumes you're using the asound.conf from the wiki – you know – that really confusing one

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justinh:

I'd put off playing with mine cos I thought it'd be a bitch but it actually turned out to be really simple

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justinh:

remember me saying it all worked but I got awful noise through analogue whenever I played DTS or ac3 material? I did aplay -L to find out what the spdif out is called, then put ALSA:$name (in this case it was iec958) in the field

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justinh:

kicked myself for thinking it would be more complicated & letting that put me off

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justinh:

I considered editing the digital audio page on the wiki to simplify matters but SHEESH

[20:20:54]

justinh:

oh great. I can't install drivers for the laptop from a USB key cos.. USB doesn't work.

[20:21:21]

justinh:

network doesn't work & usb is out of action. woop. time to burn a cd

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abqjp:

Really good stuff: http://www.amazon.com/Yearning-Burst-Perpetua . . . 7&sr=8-1

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jarle:

justinh: I tried changing it in to ALSA:iec958 (as aplay told me), but still no luck :(

[20:27:59]

jarle:

justinh: And I had no problems getting it to work on my main frontend...

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gbee:

does it work without passthrough?

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jarle:

justinh: as stereo sound is working just fine through optical (ALSA:DEFAULT), maybe I should also use ALSA:DEFAULT for passthrough??

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jarle:

gbee: will give it atry...

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jarle:

gbee: turning off passthrough I get sound, however only stereo according to my receiver..

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justinh:

maybe try changing the regular audio device to ALSA:iec958

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justinh:

then try that with & without passthru

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justinh:

oh & try setting the passthru device to 'default' – the one all in caps

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jarle:

justinh: until now I was not aware that I could actually EDIT the entry, and not just selct it from the list.. will give it atry...

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justinh:

hmm just thought of a nifty use for a livecd. dd the rescue partition into a file then tar it up so I can claim my HDD space back :)

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jblack:

nice.

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jblack:

so you're not even using iso9660. Took me a while to figure out that cdroms can be treated like block devices

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justinh:

no, I mean boot from a livecd (linux) then dd the hidden partition :)

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justinh:

wheee! finally a familiar OS on my laptop!

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jblack:

Have you tried running a livecd equivilant off of a usb stick yet?

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justinh:

yeah

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dustybin:

aRRRRR mini-me

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jarle:

justinh: I have tried all the suggested settings without any luck. Just to make sure, iec958 is supposed to only show "00" in alsamixer right? it is not supposed to have any volume set?

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jarle:

dustybin: ?

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justinh:

jarle: that isn't a volume control as such – it usually controls routing – i.e. where the digi stream comes from

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jarle:

justinh: any settings in alsamixer that could give me beforementioned problem?

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justinh:

dunno

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dustybin:

now thats what i call acid

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dustybin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7yo6flW3Ns

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jgoo:

Looking to construct a 3 meter satellite dish (lightweight / collapsible) figured someone on here might have undertaken such a project (at least, perhaps not a collapsible one, but lightweight)

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jgoo:

Anyone have any experience, pointers, links or know of a company that sells them? Google is littered with terribly designed sites regarding satellite

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wagnerrp:

collapsible?

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jgoo:

wagnerrp, well, can be dismantled.

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jgoo:

Even if it is 4 quarters perhaps, and a series of supports that are clamped onto a center ring.

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wagnerrp:

i was actually going to say build your own

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wagnerrp:

just get some aluminum conduit, make a frame, cover it with window screens

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wagnerrp:

of course this is just speculation, i dont know if window screens are a suitable reflector

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jgoo:

Yeah. I do want to make my own

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jgoo:

I am pretty sure I can build something lighter and cheaper than these kits I've seen

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wagnerrp:

make it in 1/8ths, so then you just end up with 5ft wireframe 'petals'

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wagnerrp:

10ft is pretty gigantic, so youre not going to need to be absolutely accurate to get a good signal

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jgoo:

Yeah, that sounds good – since the parabolic shape is as it is... I feel if I clip them together the tension will self support...

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jgoo:

if they are rigid enough... otherwise a frame and lighter material. But, if this seems so easy, why aren't there more 'DIY sat' websites:)

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jgoo:

wagnerrp, the aliens said I need a 3m dish, who am I to argue...

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wagnerrp:

well the rings, crimp them on one end, so they just slide into each other

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wagnerrp:

then just get a clasp to hold them together

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jgoo:

what rings?

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wagnerrp:

should be enough strength to hold shape

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wagnerrp:

its a circular dish

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jgoo:

right... I didn't get what should be crimped so they could slide

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wagnerrp:

well the rings are going to be cut into arcs

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jgoo:

I also read that a wider, shorter dish can help reduce cross satellite interference... :/

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wagnerrp:

make the arcs longer, and then crimp one end of the tube, so it will slide into the next tube

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jgoo:

... you mean petals? or support rings?

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** jgoo tries to visualise that **

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wagnerrp:

the support rings, one end is flared, the other is crimped

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wagnerrp:

so the structure is interlocking

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jgoo:

aaah I see, so I have 4 ( shaped pipes, over about 95 degrees, with 5 degrees crimped, so it fits into the next?

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wagnerrp:

something like that

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jgoo:

right. I visualised it.

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jgoo:

I was also thinking of spraying some material with a radio reflective coating, and using tension to form a parabola..

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wagnerrp:

window screens

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jgoo:

you can't get much lighter weight than 9m^2 of material (the right material) perhaps with a few prebent struts that form the parabola?

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, you just have to have a mesh with a sufficiently small bandgap for it to be opaque

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wagnerrp:

that means the wires have to be closer together than the wavelength youre trying to reflect

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jgoo:

hrm. So. Why aren't there 20 'light, cheap, 3m dish' websites? :(

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wagnerrp:

but of course at this point, im talking out of my ass

[21:19:47]

wagnerrp:

because no one wants a 3m dish, they want a 20" dish

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jgoo:

I am way ahead of you in the ass talking right now.

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justinh:

an umbrella & tinfoil was good enough for E.T. damnit now make do!

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jgoo:

3m dishes are so much more foreboding

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jgoo:

Maybe Scotland sells 3m umbrellas.

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wagnerrp:

beach umbrellas can get that big

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wagnerrp:

but dont expect a solid structure like that to hold up to weather/wind

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jgoo:

ok. so the fundamental question, how to form a reliable 3m parabola with a focal point of about... 2 meters.... using the simplest method

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jgoo:

damn. I might have a beach umbrella too (campari I think... hrm)

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jgoo:

but it isn't a parabola...

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justinh:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/28466032@N02/2657392557/

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jgoo:

wagnerrp, it will be sheltered.

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wagnerrp:

make a 3m diameter round tank, fill with water, spin, freeze

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jgoo:

I've seen cardboard ones too. but that is too crazy.

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wagnerrp:

perfect parabola, minimal effort

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jgoo:

wagnerrp, that is how they did the hubble right? or I saw somewhere they were spinning mercury.

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wagnerrp:

no idea, of course such a mechanism is entirely worthless in space

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jgoo:

!

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jgoo:

why?

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wagnerrp:

because theres no gravity

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jgoo:

I think they just used it to form the parabola. or for an earth dish.

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wagnerrp:

nothing to form the spinning fluid

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PatrickDK:

there is gravity in space

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jgoo:

no, it doesn't go up liquid... I just think they used it to create it.

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justinh:

there is gravity, it's just much weaker than down here

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wagnerrp:

PatrickDK: absolute gravity, yes. relative gravity, no

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jgoo:

justinh, or much much stronger

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jgoo:

depending on where in space you go

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justinh:

heh yes of course

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PatrickDK:

gravity is what keeps the satellites in orbit

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PatrickDK:

the moon also

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justinh:

and us

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wagnerrp:

ok, fine. theres no relative acceleration with respect to the spacecraft.

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PatrickDK:

I still dunno what we are talking about :)

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jgoo:

I don't think we are going to make progress with the freezing water anyway.

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jgoo:

I don't have superman breath, a walk in fridge or a turntable that big.

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jgoo:

so. how about a square frame, that, under tension, produces a circular parabola across the center?

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wagnerrp:

well you freeze it, fill it with plaster, and then you have a negative of a perfect parabol

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wagnerrp:

a

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jgoo:

something like that...

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justinh:

or just buy a 3m dish ex-surplus

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jgoo:

wagnerrp, maybe I should brace two cars together and drive them both in circles on cruise control?

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PatrickDK:

heh, I want a 10m dish

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jgoo:

justinh, yeah, that will be a pain.

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wagnerrp:

jgoo: just buy a surplus, cut it into pieces, and rig a frame to hold it back together

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jgoo:

PatrickDK, move almost directly beneath the satellite you want to pick up, and dig a parabolic hole in your garden.

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jgoo:

wagnerrp, what kind of costs?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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PatrickDK:

jgoo, the sat Iwant to pickup moves :(

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jgoo:

This is more an exercise in inventing. There must be a simple way of turning... something like a few strips of fabric, or some screens, as you say, into a light, viable dish.

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jgoo:

... eh?

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jgoo:

what is the use of that.

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jgoo:

PatrickDK, what satellite is that then?

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PatrickDK:

worldwide coverage? and to annoy the hell out of people that aren't moving

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PatrickDK:

the leo's

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wagnerrp:

get a window screen, hold on the four edges (not the corners) pull at the center

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jgoo:

Are they used for GPS?

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jgoo:

LEOs right

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PatrickDK:

na, gps are much much higher

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jgoo:

so, which LEOs are you interested in, and what is on them?

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justinh:

amateur radio sats?

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PatrickDK:

just about anything, don't much care

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PatrickDK:

I can make do with just the moon

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PatrickDK:

but I think only amaturs are using it

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jgoo:

So you just want to bounce stuff?

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PatrickDK:

pretty much

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jgoo:

...to where?

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PatrickDK:

but more importantly

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jgoo:

yeah... ?

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PatrickDK:

I want to piss of the wife with my insanly huge dish

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jgoo:

Aaah right. that makes sense.

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wagnerrp:

you should buy a pond, hide a satellite dish underneath

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jgoo:

so, I feel I am back to square one..

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jgoo:

I was just going to say that... would only work if it popped out thunderbird style.

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wagnerrp:

well it wouldnt pop out, you have an underground storage tank and drain the pond

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wagnerrp:

(goldeneye-style)

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jgoo:

That would only work if you were under the satellite.. :/

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jgoo:

so... right... 3m dish... 1) what is a good reflective material, 2) what is a good way of establishing a viable parabola.

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wagnerrp:

squirrels

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jgoo:

1) very light weight material or screen material 2) stiffer material, in petals 3) squirrels.

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jgoo:

hrm. anyone read reddit?

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laga:

i've recently started

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PatrickDK:

jgoo what freq?

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laga:

because digg has started to suck

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jgoo:

Yeah, digg sucks

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jgoo:

PatrickDK, freesat .... :/

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jgoo:

as in freesat.co.uk – whatever frequency the funny pictures and sounds come in...

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jgoo:

11428 H DVB-S – 27500 2/3 – Service 10510

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jgoo:

does that make sense?

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justinh:

started to suck? lol

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justinh:

web 2.UH

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jgoo:

laga – so what do you like on reddit? anyone else read it?

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laga:

i like that it's not digg.. although there's lots of politics as well

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laga:

and probably even less tech news

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sutula:

I have a dedicated box that just runs the frontend. Aside from the dedicated distros (e.g. mythubuntu), what's a good technique to boot into mythfrontend and shut down when frontend exits?

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sutula:

/etc/inittab? /etc/init.d/frontend-startup-script including starting X?

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sutula:

Other approaches?

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neztiti:

guys no epg here – i use mythtv fixes 0.21

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justinh:

rofl @ The Visit... (doing a crossword) ..."Blue, gives you an erection".. "Smurfs?"

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AndyCap:

O_o

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neztiti:

GUYS NO IDEA ???

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justinh:

we've not been given any info. so no, no idea

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neztiti:

i havent epg

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jgoo:

ping neztiti

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neztiti:

ok

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jgoo:

:p

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jgoo:

15.14 seconds. hrm.

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dustybin:

ive just learned something today, RAID ISNT BACKUP

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dustybin:

ive always had it in my mind that RAID is a form of backup

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directhex:

ALSO, DOG BITES MAN

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dustybin:

the only thing RAID backs up, is faulty hard drives

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justinh:

sky is above us!

[22:29:30]

dustybin:

if you mess with the data on your drives by mistake, it will simply be copied onto all the drives on the RAID

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directhex:

bear shits in wood!

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dustybin:

then one will NEED A BACKUP to restore

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** justinh cancels his subscription to Flat Earth Journal **

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directhex:

pope catholic!

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** xand peers at dustybin **

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dustybin:

haha your here too

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dustybin:

to help to protect your data and make life easier you need to do 3 things

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dustybin:

1) full bare metal backup of some kind. 2) backup important files only. 3) RAID

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laga:

don't travel to the US with a laptop

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dustybin:

RAID just saves you time

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dustybin:

i bet no one here does a full metal backup of their mythtv server

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dustybin:

bare

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jgoo:

laga: now I *know* you read reddit ;-)_

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justinh:

why would I? only the database & some config files are sacred

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dustybin:

justinh: so you dont mind spending hours re-installing the sytem?

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jgoo:

justinh, rsync?

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justinh:

hours?

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dustybin:

justinh: some people use gentoo :P

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justinh:

some people are more patient than I

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jgoo:

dustybin, I was commenting earlier today how my 'system reinstall' is 20 minutes, and about 4 clicks.

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dustybin:

hmmm

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dustybin:

i used to know some really nice looking software what does bare metal backups on linux, cannot remember name

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dustybin:

i think it worked when the system was live too

[22:36:28]

dustybin:

no need to reboot with a image disk

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jgoo:

dustybin, but if the problem was corruption of data, then the copy would have the same fault, right?

[22:37:22]

dustybin:

yep indeed

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dustybin:

depends when you done the last backup i guess

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jgoo:

But, if a disk fails suddenly, and the clone can keep going ok, then it serves a purpose.

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dustybin:

im not sure if there is any point of RAID at home at all now

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dustybin:

why bother with RAID if you have a bare metal backup of your working OS disk, and you have backed all your drives onto external drives

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justinh:

well, gives you something to amaze everybody about in IRC I suppose :D

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dustybin:

hmmm

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dustybin:

the only advantage i can see of RAID is for time saved if drives fail

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dustybin:

if you dont mind not saving time, just restore everything yourself from your backups

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dustybin:

BECAUSE everything should be backed up anyway

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xand:

backups don't happen instantly all the time.

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xand:

also, RAID 5 gives me more space in one place

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dustybin:

xand: so RAID makes your system a bit more solid i guess

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dustybin:

in ratio to a drive failure and the last time you did a backup

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dustybin:

xand: RAID5 is dangerous, what happens if another drive fails whilst its rebuidling from another drive failure

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dustybin:

?

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xand:

what happens if both drives in raid1 fail?

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dustybin:

ill tell you what happens, this: *&Â£^%&Â£^%&*Â£QHF&*Â& pound;QFT&*Â£QFT&Â£*T*&Fff3wg

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dustybin:

i think a mixture of RAID, BARE METAL BACKUPS, FILE BACKUPS, should make for a pretty solid system

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dustybin:

but i cannot figure out why not many people do bare metal backups, there must be a reason

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justinh:

because installing an OS & copies of vital files takes less time than mirroring a spare HDD back ?

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justinh:

and maybe because 99% of the planet is not anally retentive

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dustybin:

justinh: you could be right, i think a bare metal backup could cause problems when restored, to do with stuff in /proc etc

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directhex:

i have 8-drive raid5 (yay!)

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directhex:

if a disk fails, i have no way of knowing which is which (yay? :()

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dustybin:

logically speaking, as long as you backup all your important configs, database files, etc, you could manually restore your OS just the way it was

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dustybin:

directhex: why dont you have a way of knowing?

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dustybin:

shouldnt the RAID software do that

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directhex:

how? the drives don;'t have lights on them

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dustybin:

i think its a probably a good idea just to do a straight cp / of all the system files rather than picking bits out

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dustybin:

and do database dumps

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dustybin:

directhex: how do people in data centres know what drives are down?

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dustybin:

directhex: i thought the raid software would email root telling you what drive is down

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directhex:

disk caddies DO have lights. i don't have a caddy.

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dustybin:

jezus fek

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directhex:

dustybin, great. drive 5 dies. which identical drive of 8 is that? counting from the top or the bottom? which port is which on the card?

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directhex:

perhaps a power down, then a check of the serial number printed on each drive in turn

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dustybin:

directhex: doesnt your RAID controller have ports numbered 1 -8

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dustybin:

message to root:

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directhex:

not with neon lights

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dustybin:

drive on port 5 is down

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dustybin:

then just follow the cable from port 5

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directhex:

and certainly not readable on a card inside a packed case

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dustybin:

job done

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dustybin:

is it possible to tar up your whole operating system

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AndyCap:

dustybin: well, if you really must.

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dustybin:

then untar it onto another exact same disk in the same location

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dustybin:

reinstall grub

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dustybin:

and it works just as before?

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AndyCap:

you don't really need it to be the same disk. you can get away with a number of things, but the less changes the better.

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AndyCap:

dustybin: though perhaps looking into the dump/restore util is better.

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dustybin:

hmmm

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jblack:

OMG PONIES! ORLY! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM

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gbee:

justinh: for what it's worth, just about to check in a fix which makes the 'back' transitions smoother, combined with the speed change Isaac made a month ago and the themedmenu change I'll make next week which improves 'forward' transitions I think the fading becomes more than tolerable

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gbee:

not sure why I'm trying to convince you that the transitions can be ok, but there ya go ;)

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