Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, August 7th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Shadow__X:

yes

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Shadow__X:

but when i go into mythtvfront end everything goes screwy

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Dagmar:

So keep working on that video driver and let us know when you've fixed it.

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Dagmar:

I'm in this channel a LOT.

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Dagmar:

No one's ever reported something like you're seeing.

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Shadow__X:

hmm fantastic

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Shadow__X:

:D

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Dagmar:

The odds that there's something in MythTV that could change that are very, very low.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: I don't think this sounds like a video driver....It seems more SQL related. Shadow: Does MythWeb show your recordings?

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: I've mentioned SQL twice already.

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Shadow__X:

Lexridge, the whole time i have been working on this frontend i have been watching a recording on my main frontend

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: I know. Just a belated agreement. :)

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Dagmar:

His answer to that has been "It works on the other frontend"

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Lexridge:

dagmar: Oh, didn't catch that.

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Dagmar:

I'll point people in the direction of the likely source of their problems, but if they won't follow the leads that's up to them

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Dagmar:

I'm long tired of arguing with people to convince them that their problem is what I think it is

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Lexridge:

Shadow__X: It's either SQL or permissions within SQL

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, i just dont see how this issue is related with my backend or sql

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Shadow__X:

actually

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Lexridge:

...for that particular machine.

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Dagmar:

Shadow: THE ONE THING IN COMMON FOR THESE FAILURE CONDITIONS IS A BIG SQL QUERY

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Shadow__X:

a lightbuld just turned on

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Shadow__X:

alright ill look right now

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Dagmar:

Even the Appearance menu pulls from the SQL database because that's basically the first moment at which it needs to know what goes in the Qt dialog widgets

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Dagmar:

...but... even I have my doubts about it since you're tlaking about VNC

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Dagmar:

If you were using VNC in an "appropriate" way for troubleshooting, it shouldn't be able to affect SQL which is why I didn't push the matter, glaringly obvious as it might be

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Lexridge:

I must be losing msgs because I cannot find Shadow's reference to VNC.

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Dagmar:

So basically, I'm not going to insult someone by assuming that they're doing something so deranged as running the frontend on an entirely different machine and using VNX to export the display to the one they're having problems with

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Dagmar:

If you were doing that, please let it just be your little secret. :)

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Dagmar:

s/VNX/VNC/;

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Shadow__X:

i am not an idiot

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Dagmar:

I'm willing to accept that assertion.

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Shadow__X:

i wouldnt run it through a vnc session

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Shadow__X:

i WAS using it to troubleshoot

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Shadow__X:

and what i learned was

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Dagmar:

Otherwise I'd be saying things like "Have you asked the bus driver? If you whisper he should be able to hear you."

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

what i do to test

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Shadow__X:

i opened mythfrontend

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Shadow__X:

and when a menu hangs

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Dagmar:

It probably wouldn't hurt to start doing the following to troubleshoot...

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Dagmar:

1. Start GNU screen

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Dagmar:

2. Start X.

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Shadow__X:

i open up vnc then i see the menu that should be there

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Dagmar:

3. Spawn xterm.

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Dagmar:

4. Start another screen session.

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Dagmar:

5. Start the frontend

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Dagmar:

That way, no matter what, you can ssh back into the thing (if it's not 100% dead) and see the stderr/stdout output from both X and mythfrontend without having to do a damn thing to the actual dispolay

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: See, if you're using VNC to attach to the "dead" display, it's possible VNC is clearing some condition that the X server was waiting on

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Dagmar:

If you go into VNC first and then start picking your way through menus, the same issue may well occur

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

mythfrontend -vv all might help a bit

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Shadow__X:

k

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Dagmar:

...provided you start the thing under screen.

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Dagmar:

You know what I'm talking about with screen, right?

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Shadow__X:

gnu screen is like a virtual screen?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, for consoles.

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Dagmar:

I use it all the time when troubleshooting X apps where something might get written to stderr and otherwise be invisible

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Dagmar:

...for that matter I pretty much run all of Myth under it when I'm working on it

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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Dagmar:

Simple howto: Run `screen`. Hit enter to get rid of the annoying splash

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Shadow__X:

k done

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Dagmar:

...run whatever command you like. Press strl-A then d to "detach" which drops you back to the shell you originally ran `screen` from.

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Shadow__X:

hmm it didnt let me run x

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Shadow__X:

user not authorized

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Dagmar:

At any point you may now ssh or vt into this machine, login as that user, and type `screen -rd` to reattaach to that screen session

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: Being that I don't think this is an X issue you can probably start X normally and not worry about that

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Dagmar:

...or at least I don't think this is an issue X is going to say anything useful about

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Shadow__X:

hmm alright

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Shadow__X:

well x is running on the machine currently

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Dagmar:

But basically, if you start an xterm a dn then start screen inside that, and then start mythfrontend, you don't even have to worry about detaching the input console

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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Dagmar:

You can pull out another machine, ssh into the machine where you ran screen, login and run `screen -rd` and be fine

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Dagmar:

the -r means reattach, the -d means detach.

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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Dagmar:

So basically, -rd makes it detach from the terminal it's on, and reattach to the one you're using.

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Dagmar:

Very, very handy.

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Shadow__X:

seems like it

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Dagmar:

It's also how you do things like this with BitchX.

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Dagmar:

| Client Uptime: 46d 3h 8m 39s

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Dagmar:

Screen is _very_ reliable

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Dagmar:

BTW, just an FYI... ctrl-a, n makes a new window, ctrl-a, k kills one. ctrl-a n and ctrl-a p go to next and previous windows

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Dagmar:

Argh no ctrl-a, c Creates a new window. *headdesk*

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Dagmar:

I just push da buttons. I don't actually think about it anymore

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Shadow__X:

hmm i know that feeling

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Shadow__X:

so i cant startx

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Shadow__X:

it says server is already active for display 0

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Dagmar:

You don't need to

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Dagmar:

just run `mythfrontend` in that window

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Shadow__X:

no protocl specified

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Shadow__X:

mythfrontend.real cannot connect to x server 0.0

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Dagmar:

You can type `xterm` in that xterm and get another one, right?>

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Shadow__X:

xterm no protocol specified xterm xt error canot open display 0.0

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Dagmar:

You want to start the screen session _after_ X has begun so that the screen session has all the environment variables that are the reason subprocessses you start can also access the X display

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

well one x server is running right now

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Shadow__X:

gui is up

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Dagmar:

You only need the one X server.

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Shadow__X:

alright

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Dagmar:

What gui?

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Shadow__X:

gnome

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Shadow__X:

gdm

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Dagmar:

Okay, so the you don't need to start any new X server

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Shadow__X:

so in terminal i typed screen

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Shadow__X:

hit enter

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Shadow__X:

then tried what you jsut told me to do

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Dagmar:

Okay, so basicalaly next to nothing obvious should have happened, but you SHOULD be able to still type `gnome-terminal` and it should spawn a new one

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Dagmar:

Depending on how they set up screen's defaults it MIGHT have shown you a little splash text, or it might have appeared to just go straight to a screen with a bash prompt

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Shadow__X:

gnome-terminal cannot open display

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Dagmar:

Exit out of screen and see if it still says that

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Dagmar:

That's pretty screwed up that it's not just working

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Dagmar:

I mean, I really, really know my GNOME.

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Dagmar:

I'm one of the guys that builds Dropline

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Shadow__X:

nice

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Shadow__X:

i mean i just wish i could video tape it or something so you can see what i am talking about

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Dagmar:

Hell I'm about three edits away from going back to putitng my MythTV packages back up available

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Shadow__X:

interesting thing though

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: I'm thinking dipping the machine in holy water might not hurt it /that/ much at thius pint

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Shadow__X:

when i exit out of fe my top panel goes transparent until i mouse over

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Dagmar:

You know you don't need GDM or GNOME to run mythtv, right? Just informational

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Shadow__X:

so is that a video driver

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Dagmar:

Shadow_X: Sounds more like Compiz is getting involved and unnecessarily complicating things

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Shadow__X:

well to be honest my plan was to run mythtv in a window and watch shows while i worked

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Dagmar:

Compiz *might* be what's screwing you entirely

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Dagmar:

It doesn't always like integrated chipset.

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Dagmar:

er chipsets.

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Shadow__X:

its not integrated

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Dagmar:

Here's an idea... Can you get that machine to drop to a text-only console

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Dagmar:

I thought this was the laptop you were futzing with

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Shadow__X:

it is but its on a slot

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Dagmar:

Docking station with PCI slots in it?

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Shadow__X:

this same model came with a nvidia 7900

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Shadow__X:

no its a dell inspiron e1705 that i can put a nvidia 7900 here

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Shadow__X:

i just dont have the money for that

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Shadow__X:

i have alot of things i need to build up

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Lexridge:

So it's using integrated chipsets. :/

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Shadow__X:

thats why i was trying to get the ati card working in linux i like linux better than windows

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Dagmar:

I suspect your main problem is complexity

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

So lets try that rather straightforward and simple question again

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Dagmar:

IS this using an integrated chipset?

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Dagmar:

...for the video card.

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Dagmar:

I don't care from "can" or "might" or "could possibly".

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Dagmar:

What's being used right now is what matters

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Dagmar:

It's a "yes" or a "no" kinda question.

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Lexridge:

Shadow__X: from a console, type lspci and look for your gfx card.

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Lexridge:

What is it?

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Shadow__X:

x1400

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Shadow__X:

integrated as in built into the mb

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Shadow__X:

no

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Dagmar:

Okay, so you have completely managed to cloud that answer.

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Shadow__X:

hmm sorry

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Lexridge:

Shadow__X: It that all the info lspci returned? Paste the entire output of the line containing the gfx card...please.

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Dagmar:

Either way, I was going to suggest simplifying things a bit until you get even a mostly-working setup.

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Dagmar:

i.e., drop the whole machine to a non-X text-only runlevel, and putting `exec mythfrontend` into ~/.xinitrc and then doing a `startx` as that user so that myth is the ONLY thing involved in the display

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Shadow__X:

ok Dagmar what would you lke me to do

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Dagmar:

That way no window managers or compositors should be able to scfew with it.

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Dagmar:

It actually works fine that way so long as you use the Internal player.

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Shadow__X:

to get there should i go select recovery mode then

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Shadow__X:

?

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Dagmar:

No window manager is needed if/when mythfrontend is the only thing which can _take_ focus

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Dagmar:

You shouldn't need to go any recovery mode stuff

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Dagmar:

I don't know what Ubuntu has done with their runlevels tho

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Dagmar:

For distros which <voice style="conspicuously loud">don't screw around with what runlevels are supposed to do</voice> you can just issue a `telinit 3` and X will shut down and give you a nice set of six or so text based virtual consoles

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Shadow__X:

ok

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Shadow__X:

i am on shell

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Shadow__X:

on root

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Shadow__X:

what would you like me to do

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Dagmar:

So like, in theory, if you put "exec mythfrontend" as the sole line in ~/.xinitrc, if you start X by running `startx` it'll basically start X and then mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

It *should* at that point be running full screen as the sole thing on the display

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Shadow__X:

where is xinitrc

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Dagmar:

~/.xinitrc

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Dagmar:

The tilde is a special character to bash that aliases to $HOME, or in your case /root/.xinitrc

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Shadow__X:

well i did nano ~/.xinitrc and that was blank

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Dagmar:

That's fine.

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wagnerrp:

thats because youre using a login manager

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wagnerrp:

the login manager uses its own shit

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Dagmar:

xinitrc contains basically a bunch of stuff that would be run after X initializes

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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Shadow__X:

this one is blank though

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Dagmar:

...but it's only really going to "take effect" if you're startng X with `startx`.

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reel:

Hey. I am having a hard time with QAM. Suddenly I can no longer tune certain channels through myth. Some channels work just fine. Others get a lock and then crash the frontend. If I tune the channel directly outside of Myth, it works fine.

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, ok i did that

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Shadow__X:

startx now

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Shadow__X:

?

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Dagmar:

If you're using a login manager, things work a bit differently. X is _already_ started by GDM, so the only thing you've got that's comparable when you login through GDM is that GDM instantates an X *session* which is slightly different...

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Dagmar:

...a.nd uses ~/.xsessionrc as if it weren't already all complex enough

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Dagmar:

Shadow_X: Yeah.

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Dagmar:

Starting X with startx should make X come up and not start *anything* but mythfrontend

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Dagmar:

It should basically be the sole thing X cares about like this

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Lexridge:

dagmar: what about an "init 3" to guarantee gdm doesn't run?

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Dagmar:

So it'll have no excuses for halring to wait on a compositor or something

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Because GDM does not start like that

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Remember, GDM *starts* X. Not the other way around, ever.

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Lexridge:

right, but changing to runlevel 3 will disallow either to run automatically.

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Dagmar:

Same goes for KDM and XDM. That's part of why they're called "display managers"

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Shadow__X:

how do i add root to be a member of the mythtv gorup

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Nope. Changing runlevels doesn't actually prevent a thing

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Dagmar:

Runlevels are a fiction.

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Dagmar:

Ubuntu just likes to make our lives hell by trying to "reinvent" what they're doingf.

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: Root should actually be a member of _every_ group by default

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Dagmar:

The uid 0 account has access to everything, period.

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Dagmar:

You will never have to add it to a group.

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Shadow__X:

well when did startx its saying i must be a meber befiore i start the mythtv apps

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Dagmar:

Must be a member of what?

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Shadow__X:

mythtv geroup

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Dagmar:

That's retarded.

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Dagmar:

Lemme think a minit

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Lexridge:

ubuntu does not have a root account, does it?

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Dagmar:

Um... Heh

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

yeah it does

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Shadow__X:

and its saying the user root is already a member of mythtv but it still wont let me wrun it

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Lexridge:

you must use sudo for root commands? Well, there may be a way, but not by default.

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Shadow__X:

no you dont need to use sudo

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Dagmar:

Delete ~/.xinitrc. Logout of the root account and log back in as mythtv, or just type `su -l mythtv`

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Dagmar:

Create a new .xinitrc and run startx again.

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Dagmar:

Mind you `su -l mythtv` is a bit of a cheap trick. It simply changes your login to the `mythtv` account, and the -l sets up a "mostly reasonable" login environment

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Dagmar:

So ~/.xinitrc will magically mean /home/mythtv/.xinitrc or similar

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Shadow__X:

hmm but

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: That bit it's telling you about not being a member of the mythtv group is apparently the result of something some Ubuntu dev hacked in as a last-minute check which is clearly not as elegant as he thought it was or it wouldn't be fucking up

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Shadow__X:

i need to use sudo startx

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Dagmar:

No you dont.

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Dagmar:

Any user can start X.

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Shadow__X:

its telling me i can

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Shadow__X:

user not authorized to run the x server

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Dagmar:

God they're morons

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

So, if you're lucky, you have a user named mythtv, and it's a part of the mythtv group, you should be able to set a password for that account (DON'T MAKE IT "mythtv"!) and then just login as that user from the console

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Lexridge:

xauthority? Since he su'ed, the xauthority does not normally follow the su.

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Dagmar:

If they're using PAM and they're _not_ using pam_console, someone needs to slap them the hell around until they start doing it

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, you got it right

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: He's at a plain text console.

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Shadow__X:

its using pam

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Dagmar:

Ther'e no authority to have to follow him

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Dagmar:

X ain't started yet.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: right. of course.

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Dagmar:

They've got some cockeyed wrapper in there preventing anyone but certain users from starting X.

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Dagmar:

If yer gonna do this it should be tied to console access, which is what pam_console is for.

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Dagmar:

Of this I'm really, really certain.

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Dagmar:

I would not put up with all the (for lack of a better word) shit from Slackware users about if it it were not the correct solution to assigning console privledges

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Dagmar:

Unless some dev was being more paranoid than useful, logging in as mythtv from the text console should damn well get you all the privs you need to start X

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Shadow__X:

this is alot of stuff

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Shadow__X:

damn ubuntu

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Shadow__X:

damn ati

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to start carping at my friends who are actually Ubuntu devs about this

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Shadow__X:

it might be cheaper for all of us for me to just get that nvidia card

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Lexridge:

Shadow__X: What might be a good test is to boot to Mythdora and see if it works as expected using that.

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: It won't. They use different versions of myth, almost certainly

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Dagmar:

Mixing and matching different versions of the frontend and backend is just a recipe for failure and or database destruction, in random order.

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Lexridge:

Myth is 0.21 on latest mythdora dists.

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but that "0.21" you HOPE

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Shadow__X:

but

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Dagmar:

It might be some svn pull of 0.21-fixes, which would be good from a "much fewer bugs" perspective

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Lexridge:

dagmar: So a patched 0.21 will not connect to an unpatched 0.21?

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Shadow__X:

mythbuntu should work as a live front end

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

...but very very bad with respect to trying to match things to another one

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: It may connect, but whether or not it will just fuck up a lot is a matter of luck

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Lexridge:

I've updated my backend, while not updating the frontend, and it has worked for me.

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Dagmar:

The protocol can and will change without notice

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Dagmar:

Just because some things work right doesn't mean they all will, and he's got enough things going wrong already.

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Dagmar:

No need to invite new and interesting "clever" bugs.

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Lexridge:

dagmer: I've been lucky perhaps, but I wouldnt think such drastic changes would occur within a version patch.

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Dagmar:

Nothing drastic.

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Dagmar:

You just might wind up with a frontend that refuses to change channels, or pause, or stuff like that

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Dagmar:

...or can't schedule recoridngs, or delete recordings, etc etc

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Dagmar:

Minor stuff can change

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Dagmar:

It won't mae the entire connection fail, but it will make some _actions_ fail

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Lexridge:

Well, for a test, just to see, it's not going to affect his HDD on his lappy.

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Lexridge:

or the backend, for that matter.

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Dagmar:

'diz would be why I don't like Ubuntu dorking around with runlevels

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Dagmar:

On a "real" machine you could telinit 3, do whatever you liked, and then telinit 4 and everything would just go back to gui mode

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Lexridge:

I too dislike ubuntu. It's more of a love/hate relationship, because they do have nice tools. It's just everything that sucks.

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Dagmar:

Yeah it looks nice but they're going way way into the land of Helpful But Gnomic And Ultimately Maintainable Hacks

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Dagmar:

s/Maintainable/Unmaintainable/

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Lexridge:

lol

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Dagmar:

...and by "gnomic" I mean the actual word. Nothing to do with GNOME.

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Dagmar:

USENET Oracle == gnomic

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Lexridge:

Well, it looks like all my hours of trying to get my QAM tuner working has only offered me RADIO STATIONS....UGH!!

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

sorry to get you mad at ubuntu guys

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Lexridge:

Shadow: What? You didn't create ubuntu dude. It's not your fault

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Shadow__X:

thanks guys for all the help though

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Shadow__X:

i do appreciate it

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reel:

Lexridge: did you follow http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Adding_Q . . . _Tuner_Cards

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reel:

specifically the scan part

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Lexridge:

reel: Not this particular page, but lemme look at it.

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reel:

make sure you have those dvb tools. then run scan and see if you can tune some channels out

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Lexridge:

reel: I have already run "scan", and it found several channels.

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reel:

i am running through the Verifying channel tuning section right now. that script is pretty handy

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reel:

it makes a whole bunch of short clips of channels you can put in vlc or mplayer and verify if there is video

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Lexridge:

this is an example output of what "scan" is giving me: [0006]:657000000:QAM_256:74:75:6

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reel:

yeah that looks right

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reel:

copy that to your .mplayer as channels.conf

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Lexridge:

this link might help me: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB_search

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reel:

then try mplayer dvb://[0006]

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Lexridge:

okay

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reel:

my problem is that my tuner works just fine but mythtv is not able to handle the stream or something. i am not quite sure and it sucks :(

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my2keh:

anyone here know how to restart gnome via command line? Or force it to re-read xorg.conf ??

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Lexridge:

reel: yea, that does suck. That is probably what is happening here. What tuner card are you using. I have a HVR1600

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reel:

i have a pchdtv 5500 and hdhomerun

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reel:

my2keh: "init 3 && init 5" should do it

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Lexridge:

my2keh: If you are already in X, just type "ctl+alt+backspace" That will reload the xorg.conf file.

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GreyFoxx:

those are tried and true cards with a long history of myth usage, I doubnlt they are generating streams myth doesn't understand

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my2keh:

is that reboot? lol

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my2keh:

Lexridge>> is that possible via VNC?

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Lexridge:

oh, you're in vnc....no, that will not work then

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my2keh:

hence the "command-line" part of my Q

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reel:

agreed GreyFoxx but my pchdtv 5500 worked fine up until a few weeks ago when all of a sudden recordings failed on some channels. i bought the hdhr in hopes that it would be the tuner but it is the same problem

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Lexridge:

try a "killall gdm"

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Shadow__X:

i just had some kernel panic

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Shadow__X:

yay

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my2keh:

k sec

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GreyFoxx:

reel: qam or atsc ?

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reel:

qam

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GreyFoxx:

Cause if it's qam they could have either moved it, or encrypted

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GreyFoxx:

my local cable co just recently started encrypting some channels I have been recording via QAM for years

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reel:

i have my windows pc doing the remote vlc with the HDHR on those exact channels

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my2keh:

Lexridge>> no process killed?

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Lexridge:

type "ps -ea|grep gdm". It may be gdm-binary or something like that.

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reel:

they are coming in just fine. right now, i am verifying my channels.conf and capturing a short clip of each channel. so far each one is perfectly valid

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GreyFoxx:

definately weird

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reel:

agreed. i would love to blame my cable company but unfortunately it is appearing to be something unique to myth

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GreyFoxx:

have you changed anything in myth?

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reel:

since i have now removed the cable signal and the tuner and the computer as being problems

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GreyFoxx:

or the distro/drivers?

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reel:

i have probably done a bunch of yum upgrades (fc 8)

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GreyFoxx:

cause it wouldn't just stop working unless something changed

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GreyFoxx:

either kernel, drivers or something

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reel:

yeah. god only knows how much has changed since this problem started happening

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reel:

i keep running yum upgrade hoping a new package will come out that will restore this

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Lexridge:

reel: imo, mythtv is something that should be compiled for your system. yum updates are always going to be way behind.

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reel:

since 7/13, 183 yum lines in my logs :)

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Lexridge:

reel: for mythtv?

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reel:

7 for mythtv

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my2keh:

killall gnome-session

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reel:

but that was after the problem start 7/29

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reel:

it was likely early july when this started

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reel:

looks like i did a kernel upgrade 7/13 which would be a prime suspect

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Lexridge:

reel: have you tried booting with your previous kernel? It should still be selectable.

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reel:

apparently 3 kernel upgrades: 7/13, 7/17, 7/26

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GreyFoxx:

tsk tsk :)

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reel:

i could try booting the 7/17 kernel

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GreyFoxx:

updating for not good reason leads to broken stuff :)

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Lexridge:

reel: good idea.

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reel:

yeah. bad habit of mine

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reel:

i should yum remove yum

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Lexridge:

reel: just turn the auto updates off. Don't get rid of yum......you'll need that.

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reel:

i do it by hand when i am bored at work. it is not auto doing it :)

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Lexridge:

reel: it's in services.....at least with fedora it is.

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Dagmar:

Awesome

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Dagmar:

0.21-fixes from yesterday failed to record Eureka, and Upcoming Recordings in mythweb is _empty_

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to beat the crap out of it when I get home

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Lexridge:

dagmar: Sh*t! Thanks for the warning.

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Dagmar:

Yeah check yours

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wagnerrp:

mine is currently the opposite, it records shows multiple times

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Dagmar:

I don't know if this is a mythweb issue or a backend issue or what yet

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Lexridge:

dagmar: I have three upcoming recordings from mythweb. Lemme check mythtv now.

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Dagmar:

kicking a `mythfilldatabase --refresh-all` as a maybe-fix

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Dagmar:

Something has all my stuff flagged as deactivated somehow

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reel:

apparently there is no ivtv kmdl anymore

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Lexridge:

dagmar: yup, I'm good there too. My last update was about a week ago though.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: doing a svn up now.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: At revision 18089

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Dagmar:

18076 was what I pulled yesterday

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Lexridge:

dagmar: that is strange!

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reel:

have you tried knoppmyth? it should be a bootable cd that i can use to test out myth right?

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Lexridge:

reel: correct

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Lexridge:

reel: mythdora is suppose to be pretty good too.

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my2keh:

ok, so what do you do when your video's haave black bars, but they should fill the screen?

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my2keh:

Knoppmyth rocks!

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my2keh:

my mythgui fills the screen, I want my video to fill also (i get black bars left/right)

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Dagmar:

my2keh: You have a widescreen display?

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my2keh:

yessum

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reel:

ok burning knoppmyth. we shall see

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Dagmar:

Yeah, SOMETHING went very wrong

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my2keh:

for me?

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Dagmar:

I just scheduled a new recording through mythweb and it's defaulting to inactive

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Dagmar:

Not for you

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my2keh:

oh ok

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my2keh:

heh

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reel:

my2keh: i think i remember the w key maybe. i have mine configured to default aspects that i prefer

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Dagmar:

my2keh: So if you want the black bars to go away, watch something that's actually widescreen or force aspect scaling by hitting w or ^w

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: I'm going to pull down new 0.21-fixes and see if it sorts it or I need to file a bug report

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Lexridge:

dagmar: You don't have a filter turned on do you?

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my2keh:

i think it's video aspect overide in the settings

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my2keh:

ah yeah that did it...set it to 16:9

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Lexridge:

my2keh: 4x3 video looks terrible stretched to 16x9.

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Considering that I've never used htem and wouldn't know how, no.

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: my setup is ridiculously simple for a reason

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: LOL, that was EXACTLY my response to someone who suggested filters my first time with this.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: "I had not used them.....that couldn't be it!" It indeed was the problem.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: go to the view recordings menu, and press M and turn all filters off. Then check your recording schedule.

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Dagmar:

Not at home.

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Dagmar:

...and I've never used filters at all.

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Dagmar:

If the thing has just up and decided to *imagine* a filter I didn't put in, that's a problem.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: I hadn't "intenionally" used them either, but they DID get turned on.

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ozatomic:

I was wondering if mythtv is able to re-stream the footage that it is reciving over the internet to a remote location?

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: Perhaps a random key combination did it.....dunno.

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Dagmar:

ozatomic: no.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: It has since happend twice, and the filters have been the problem every time.

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: Basically, my keyboard sits on the mythbox most of the time

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Dagmar:

It's not like I've got ferrets or cats in the house, either.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: It nothing else, it's worth checking. It could indeed be a software glitch.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: However, in my case, the recordings showed up in mythweb, but not mythtv.

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Dagmar:

Stuff under the view recordings menu shouldn't even be able to affect what will be recorded afaik

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Dagmar:

Yay... "Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-08–06 20:41 and ended on 2008-08–06 20:41. mythfilldatabase ran, but did not insert any new data into the Guide for 1 of 1 sources. This can indicate a potential grabber failure."

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Dagmar:

I'm about to nuke the database again

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: Ouch, such drastic measures. Just run mythfilldatabase again.

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reel:

i went to my previous kernel and the same problem happened. it is like it just aborts the recording from the tuner on these channels for some reason and then it aborts and says in the log that the file cannot be found

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Lexridge:

reel: Are you using a seperate /video drive? If so, make sure it is mounted. "df" will show you all mounts.

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reel:

yeah /video and /video2 are both mounted

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reel:

it records other channels

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reel:

all analog work fine and some digital work fine

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Lexridge:

reel: are they full?

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reel:

nope – lots of gigs free

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reel:

directory permissions are set

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reel:

that was my thought at first – that the storage locations were bad somehow but i tested every operation, creation, write, modify and encountered no problems

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Lexridge:

reel: but it sounds like what happens to me on occasion when my /video drive does not mount. The frontends just bounce back to the main menu with zero errors. I'm surprise that mythbackend doesn't simply write to the /mnt/video directory.

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Lexridge:

reel: but I'm glad it does not. That could get nasty!

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reel:

yeah i just tested the command i told you earlier "mplayer dvb://[station]"

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I3ooI3oo:

ok setting up again and i can't seem to find my card :(

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reel:

that works just fine with the stations that myth will not add and will not play from when i directly add them

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Shadow__X:

I3ooI3oo, what card

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Lexridge:

gotta run for a bit....wife just got home. ;) BBL.

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my2keh:

Anyone know how I can get gnome to autostart mythfrontend?

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my2keh:

is it something like .xinitrc ?

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my2keh:

got it

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Dagmar:

If you're auto-starting the frontend you don't need GNOME to be involved.

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reel:

ok focusing specifically on cbs hd, i can tune it from channels.conf if i use mplayer dvb://channel but i cannot manually add it to my myth db or import it from channels.conf

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intx13:

hello folks.. I have a question regarding the firewire "channel" parameter.

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intx13:

plugreport indicates that my STB is using channel 0, but firewire_tester and mythtv keep trying to use channel 1. test-mpeg2 seems to get it right.

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intx13:

Is there a way to inform mythtv and/or firewire_tester of the correct channel? I can specify port and node, but not channel, it seems.

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brewmaster:

has anyone had any luck getting a pchdtv 5500 card working with mythbuntu hardy?

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intx13:

ok now I'm very confused... firewire_tester.c sets the channel equal to the node... perhaps I'm in the wrong channel (heh) for this.

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Shadow__X:

brewmaster, isnt there kernel support at this point

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brewmaster:

yes

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Shadow__X:

intx13, what

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brewmaster:

which makes this all the more frustrating

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brewmaster:

the card seems to work okay

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Shadow__X:

it should be a dvb card

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brewmaster:

i can detect channels, etc

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Shadow__X:

whats the issue

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brewmaster:

but can't watch / record for the life of me

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cesman:

brewmaster: works fine /w KnoppMyth ;)

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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brewmaster:

am i missing something?

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Shadow__X:

brewmaster, make sure you selected to not include encrypted channel

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Shadow__X:

make sure the channels lock

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brewmaster:

i'm trying to get atsc ota...

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Shadow__X:

ah nvm

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brewmaster:

shadow_x, is that from mythtv-setup?

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Shadow__X:

no nvm what i said was for qam

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Shadow__X:

although make sure your antennae hasnt moved

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Shadow__X:

scan now and then try and watch tv

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intx13:

Shadow__X, plugreport sees my STB at port 0, node 1, channel 0. But firewire_tester.c sets channel = node and goes from there, which obviously doesn't work for me. I think MythTV must do the same.

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brewmaster:

shadow_x, http://pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7106& . . . 1a963c751acc

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intx13:

but I think this is a more dev related question, so I don't want to spam it here..

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brewmaster:

seems hardy shouldn't be loading cx88-alsa?

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Shadow__X:

what box are you using

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reel:

brewmaster: i had it sort of working in fc8 if that gives you any encouragement

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brewmaster:

not a very good box...

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brewmaster:

P4 3.0ghz

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brewmaster:

one of the "later" ones I think

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brewmaster:

1 gb ram

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intx13:

oh did he mean you? lol.. damn IRC ambigous syntax! :)

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Lexridge:

brewmaster: I have run mythtv perfectly on a 500mhz Nano-ATX MB w/512MB RAM. It was a little sluggush, but played live TV and recordings great. No KDE or Gnome however. Straight X with mythfrontend only.

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brewmaster:

it's weird

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brewmaster:

i'll run 'getatsc 6 > test.mpg'

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Shadow__X:

intx13, what box are you using

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brewmaster:

test.mpg will be zero bytes

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Shadow__X:

happy

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Shadow__X:

also you have neglected to see that some channels can be encrypted

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Shadow__X:

or even programs

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intx13:

oh haha.. an SA 8240 HDC (but it seems to be pretty much equivalent to the 3250/4200 machines – it changes channels ok)

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Shadow__X:

put the box on local broadcast then test

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intx13:

the channel I'm looking at has no C5, it should be fine

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Shadow__X:

put nbc or cbs on

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Shadow__X:

just test with stuff that should be none to be coming off the box

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intx13:

well right now that's not my concern. test-mpeg2 works just fine, it's only firewire_tester and mythtv that seem to pick the wrong firewire channel

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intx13:

If I edit firewire_tester.c to always use firewire channel 0, it gets a nice strong point-to-point connection

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Shadow__X:

the motorola 3200 doesnt do p2p

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Shadow__X:

its broadcast

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Shadow__X:

maybe that an be your issue

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intx13:

This isn't a motorola 3200

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intx13:

and test-mpeg2 works just fine, which is p2p only

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

ok

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Shadow__X:

well know the difference

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Shadow__X:

mine works :P

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Shadow__X:

heh

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intx13:

I think it's a firewire_tester/mythtv bug – I can't think why firewire_tester would always set channel = node.. that's just silly

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Shadow__X:

can you use firewire tester to stabilize the connection

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intx13:

maybe my edited copy.. haven't tried. i dunno how mythtv interacts with the 1394 bus really.. where it gets its settings from, etc

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Shadow__X:

you need to get the original copy of firewire tester

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Dagmar:

Dwarves.

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Shadow__X:

midgets

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intx13:

nope, doesn't change anything, no matter whether I use firewire_tester or my own version. I think mythtv is coming up with its own firewire settings, but idk how to influence them.

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intx13:

dwarves I could bribe :)

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Dagmar:

Might have been ur-gnomes then

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Dagmar:

It's hard to tell them apart.

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intx13:

But seriously, is there any reason to always set channel = node? Am I missing something?

[03:25:19]

intx13:

I need a dev's help :(

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: LOL

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Dagmar:

Well, it _helps_ when I check to make sure ther'es a @#$@#$ ivtv module

[03:27:55]

Dagmar:

For future reference kiddies, the "Autoselect pertinent encoders/decoders and other helper chi" option in the kernel IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

[03:28:56]

Dagmar:

In fact, it wants you to never be able to watch TV again.

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Dagmar:

...and it'll steal your socks.

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Shadow__X:

or even worse

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Shadow__X:

give you mis matced socks

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Shadow__X:

dun dun dun

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Dagmar:

This is only like the third time I've had that particular option just not really build support for a damn thing

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Dagmar:

I _very foolishly_ assumed that because I'd already had ivtv enabled from 2.6.25.x that it wouldn't screw me and decided I didn't need it anymore.

[03:31:28]

Dagmar:

I was wrong.

[03:31:42]

Dagmar:

I got to looking closely at MythWeb and what it was saying...

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Dagmar:

"Encoder 1 is remote on ammo (currently not connected)."

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Dagmar:

I'm like, "not connected"?

[03:32:16]

Dagmar:

Then I remembered seeing that new option for 2.6.26 scroll by

[03:32:50]

Dagmar:

Makes me want to post to the LKML with a patch renaming it to "Would you like to be utterly unable to watch TV under Linux?"

[03:33:33]

Dagmar:

Clearly what they're using to automatically determine which drivers are needed is just fatally broken for many chipsets

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clever:

yeah my bttv card used the wrong mode for the tuner by default

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clever:

but the tuner sucks to begin with(and the 'encoder' too)!

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Dagmar:

clever: That's pretty much a BT8x8 card eff-up

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Dagmar:

Half the possible tuners can't be detected

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clever:

yeah

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Dagmar:

...and part of the reason all those cards come with their own (rather squirrely) driver CDs for windows

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clever:

external tuner is still better then the built in

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clever:

yeah it came with a win98 driver

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clever:

i had to find one online somehow for xp and when i reformated i could never find it again

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clever:

dad claimed i would never find a linux driver

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clever:

bttv.ko was installed since day 1, before i even thought to try the card

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Dagmar:

Nah, Linux is pretty good about havign drivers for some obscure crap, provided that said obscure crap was available cheaply and in quantity in the US

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Dagmar:

So long as some dev "came upon" one for cheap or free, support generally just happens

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clever:

i got it free from my uncle:P

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Dagmar:

I have nine of them.

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Dagmar:

I don't think I paid more than $20 for any of them.

[03:41:06]

Dagmar:

Several of them were just given to me

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, btw i got it working

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Shadow__X:

with live tv and recordings

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Shadow__X:

using the opensource drivdr

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Dagmar:

Aewesome

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Shadow__X:

mhm

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Shadow__X:

uses about 50 percent of cpu

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Shadow__X:

but thats ok

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Dagmar:

This is where XvMC generally helps

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Dagmar:

...at least with MPEG2 video.

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** Dagmar stabs menuconfig in it's eyes **

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** J-e-f-f-A|wintel cheers – he got his backend back up, without any lost programs, and it's not comprimised! ;-) **

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Dagmar:

So what ran amok?

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Dagmar:

'cuz not even script kiddies are likely to spawn a forkbomb on someone

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Dagmar:

I like how ivtv is flagged as requiring both the deprecated v4l1 interfaces as well as being an experimental module itself.

[04:10:59]

Dagmar:

That's cute.

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Dagmar:

Oooo joy

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, i dont mean to interrupt you in your rant to yourself

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J-e-f-f-A|wintel:

Dagmar: It was a http-based media server I started over the weekend... it went haywire and started hundreds of httpd processes, bringing my Athlon 64 X2 4800 to it's knees...

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J-e-f-f-A|wintel:

su

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J-e-f-f-A|wintel:

<oops, wrong keyboard!>

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: Eh?

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, right now i am using x11 to display the opensource drivers dont support xv

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Shadow__X:

i will try xvmc

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Xv and XvMC are basically the same thing, dude.

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Dagmar:

Xv is just the X video extention

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Dagmar:

If you've no xv then you've no xvmc to be sure

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Dagmar:

Your driver will do xv, it just won't get any hardware accelleration

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

it doesnt supper hw accel because the driver doesnt do it yet

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Shadow__X:

or it just wont

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Dagmar:

Driver doesn't support it.

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Dagmar:

The ATI driver that requires DRI support in the kernel *should* be able to get you what support could be useful

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Dagmar:

It's just clearly going to take some violence to make it work.

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Dagmar:

A big help is just 'glxgears'.

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Dagmar:

If you run it with the default size (i.e., no arguments) you will generally get a MASSIVE number if GL is working

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Shadow__X:

i have been running that through my driver woas

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Shadow__X:

woes*

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Shadow__X:

i have remembered afew things when i was in the fight since beryl

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Dagmar:

You'll get something in the <1000 range if it's not

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Dagmar:

So this is fun

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Shadow__X:

yeah the opensource driver only does 2d

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Dagmar:

Now my backend thinks it's name has change

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Shadow__X:

its at 938

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Dagmar:

er changed.

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Shadow__X:

nice

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Shadow__X:

thats always good

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's no big deal. Something that probably actually got _fixed_

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Dagmar:

"Encoder 1 is remote on ammo (currently not connected)." and "Encoder 3 is local on mythtv and is not recording."

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Shadow__X:

i am going to try the closed source driver worst comes to worse i go back

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Shadow__X:

atleast now i know how to get it atleast working

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Dagmar:

I recently renamed the machine to just 'mythtv' but that was a few kernel and mythtv rebuilds ago, as well as several reboots

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

why so simple

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Dagmar:

I'll go in and nuke and re-add the tuner cards later tonight

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Shadow__X:

maybe thats the issue

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: becuase I like my stuff simple at home

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Dagmar:

There's no suprises on my home lan

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Shadow__X:

oh

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Shadow__X:

:(

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Dagmar:

I've got DHCP, Squid, some QoS stuff...

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Dagmar:

No need to make things painful for myself.

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Shadow__X:

very true

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Dagmar:

The thing used to be called 'ammo' because it was in a CoolerMaster 533 "Ammo" case

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Shadow__X:

i sometimes make it complicated because i want to learn

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Shadow__X:

ah nice

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Shadow__X:

i was looking at those at one point

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Dagmar:

The DHCP<->BIND integration... that is moderately complex.

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't want to deal with it if it were unnecessarily obscured.

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Dagmar:

Shadow__X: They're very whooshy.

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Not so good for a MythTV box, but otherwise a badass case for a fileserver or thing to take to a LAN party.

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Dagmar:

Those large vertical panels on teh sides are basically _vents_.

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Shadow__X:

yeah it has good ventillation

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Dagmar:

A case with about three square feet of metal mesh on the outside is pretty good for letting air in and out, but complete shit for noise suppression

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Shadow__X:

heh

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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Dagmar:

...and generally a lot of passive ventilation isn't very helpful

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Shadow__X:

but why is your box noisy

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Dagmar:

Well, it had six drives in it for one thing

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Dagmar:

Each with their own cooling fan.

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Dagmar:

"silent" or not, when you've got 10–12 fans in the case, they make a lot of white noise

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J-e-f-f-A|wintel:

my box is loud too... 10 hdds will do that... ;-)

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I keep my drives *cool*

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Dagmar:

...or at least, as cool as I can

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J-e-f-f-A|wintel:

^^^ Me too! ;-)

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Dagmar:

I turn off the AC in the mornings when I go to work, so... basically the machine has to be able to deal with it getting to about 90F in the apartment.

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Dagmar:

This is not a temperature that makes computer hardware happy unless it's getting plenty of air transport

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Dagmar:

That's a good 20 degrees higher than machine rooms aim for

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Dagmar:

...and definitely about 10–15 hotter than most people's homes

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J-e-f-f-A|wintel:

Wow, my backend is in the basement, it's gotten up to 80 or so in the summer down here, but not 90... [new england]

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Dagmar:

It tends to gobble up all the margin

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Dagmar:

I'm in TN.

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Dagmar:

Yesterday's high outside was 97F

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Dagmar:

...and we ain't done with the "hell" part of Summer yet

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Dagmar:

I'm seriously considering trying to just get the last week of this month off as vacation time.

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Shadow__X:

thats pretty hot

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Shadow__X:

yeah i only have 1 hd so far

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elg:

it was 105 daily for 2 weeks here

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Dagmar:

elg: It did that to us last summer

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Dagmar:

I thought I was going to die

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Shadow__X:

heh

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elg:

it was actually nicer then though than now (high 90s) because it was dry and now it's humid

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Dagmar:

Freakin lows of 88F at 3am

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Dagmar:

I had to keep my apartment sealed up for so long the dust accumulation was baout to strangle me

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Dagmar:

So like, in case no one caught on, watch yourself when upgrading to 2.6.26.x if you're using ivtv.

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Dagmar:

Ther'es a damn good chance the reorganization of the kernel configuration options will leave you with no ivtv driver if you don't watch it

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Shadow__X:

2.6.26 allows me to use analog on my hvr-1800 in myth

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Shadow__X:

problem is i lost my mce remote

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wagnerrp:

son of a bitch

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wagnerrp:

my upload is rated at 768Kb, so i have my packet queuing limited to that

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wagnerrp:

apparently i can actually run far better than that

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wagnerrp:

well... not considerably more, 810Kb

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

its alittle better

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wagnerrp:

all of 5KB/s

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Shadow__X:

anyone know how to disable the noise when ubuntu loads to the login screen

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elg:

gdmsetup

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Shadow__X:

thanks

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Shadow__X:

i have gotten xv working

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Shadow__X:

i think compiz was screwing me over

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Dagmar:

It's cool like that.

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Shadow__X:

oh yeah really cool

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Dagmar:

After you mentioned the panel going transparent I was tempted to jump up and down and point at it, figuratively speaking

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Shadow__X:

with beryl i had snow

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Shadow__X:

heh

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Shadow__X:

sombitch

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Dagmar:

Compiz is very cool, but it seriously plays hob with a lot of X programs that expect to be able to do things a certain way

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Dagmar:

wget http://i34.tinypic.com/2e0v2gx.jpg -o horrible-horrible-ad.jpg

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Dagmar:

wrong chan

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Dagmar:

Don't pull it up

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Dagmar:

I don't know what the hell Bryers was thinking or even if it's a fake

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Shadow__X:

so tempted

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Dagmar:

Considering some of the other campaigns I've seen, it might well have been real

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zacharym:

Does the DVB support on MythTV automatically fetch the EPG information from the satellite?

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Dagmar:

At least teh Mr. T Snickers ad was hilarious

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Dagmar:

zacharym: Sort of

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zacharym:

because I was planning on setting it up with dish net

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wagnerrp:

wow....

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Dagmar:

It's a matter of "do they even do it right?" from what I've seen people dealing with

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zacharym:

what do you mean?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Doing a little digging, it appears someone at Bryers just completely lost their mind

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Dagmar:

zacharym: Well, seems like a lot of people are only seeing about two hours' worth of information

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Dagmar:

It's worth taking a shot at it

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zacharym:

yeah

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zacharym:

It'd be nice to have a Dish Network DVR using a homebrew solution with Linux

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wagnerrp:

well i have to admit, i do enjoy those orange creamsicles

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zacharym:

does mythtv still do commercial skipping in recordings

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wagnerrp:

yes

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zacharym:

yes, this is going to be way better than any PVR dish makes

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: OKay, I think it's a hoax, or at least there's a few places (like Snopes) that are already listing it as such.

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psm321:

i thought you couldn't get dish/directv directly onto a pc legally (at least in the US)... have things changed on that front?

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zacharym:

mythtv has a web frontend right, so you can schedule recordings remotely?

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zacharym:

psm321: not really

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zacharym:

I do have a subscription though, and am paying for the reciever I'm replacing

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zacharym:

so I don't feel too guilty about it

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wagnerrp:

psm321: why not, you hook up a capture card to a STB with an IR blaster, seems perfectly fine to me

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Dagmar:

zacharym: MythWeb.

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Dagmar:

The thing can just about replace all the normal frontend features, at least with respect to scheduling

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wagnerrp:

now if youre talking about grabbing a DVB card, and somehow decrypting the feed off the satellite, thats rather illegal ( as well as difficult )

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Dagmar:

zacharym: yeah, so long as you're a customer and you're not trying to use it to get around anything, there's like a 99.9999% chance they're just not going to give a rat's ass

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zacharym:

yeah, I'm doing it legit

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wagnerrp:

considering broadcasts all one way, its not like they can tell if youre doing anything illegal anyway

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Dagmar:

Well, there's _ways_

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Rico:

I accidently changed the default player from mplayer to xine. How do I change it back?

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Dagmar:

One that stands out in my mind from the late 80's was a phony free T-shirt commercial

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zacharym:

sorry if this is gray area

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Dagmar:

zacharym: Grey just means "keep it on the down-low"

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Dagmar:

...as in "don't discuss it with someone who's likely to be using your research as a means of furthering their own criminal activity"

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Dagmar:

Rico: Sadly, the only advice I can give you is to take the next 20 minutes and walk through as many of the frontend setup menus as it takes

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zacharym:

MythTV looks great

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Dagmar:

Actually, 5 minutes is probably more likely

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Rico:

i know where to change it. I just don

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Rico:

I just don't remember what the command looked like for mplayer

[05:00:35]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: properly functioning STBs filtered out the commercial, so only people illegally grabbing the feed saw it and called in?

[05:00:48]

zacharym:

Dagmar: may I message you

[05:01:28]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Yep pretty much

[05:01:45]

Dagmar:

Call in for the free t-shirt, get a free ~$1000 bill

[05:01:53]

Dagmar:

zacharym: Sure

[05:02:30]

wagnerrp:

how is that not entrapment

[05:02:53]

wagnerrp:

you could claim you read on a BBS about the announcement

[05:03:38]

Dagmar:

I htink they were mainly looking to pound it into people that they weren't as clever as they thought

[05:10:57]

Rico:

any good ideas of what default command for mplayer looks like in MythTV

[05:11:23]

Dagmar:

Rico: mplayer %s or something

[05:11:30]

Dagmar:

Genreally you don't need mplayer anymore

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Dagmar:

the code it uses and the code myth uses for playback are pretty close to the same

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Rico:

okay. I am unable to rip DVD

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Rico:

I think it has to do with MythTV not having access to my DVD reader, which I am unsure how to set that access

[05:17:07]

Rico:

Dagmar, it turns out to be mplayer -fs -zoom -quiet -vo xv %s

[05:17:26]

Rico:

found it on the MythTV wiki :D

[05:17:44]

Dagmar:

That would be the "or something" parts.

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Rico:

lol

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Dagmar:

...and there's TONS of useful info in the wiki, even though the search engine is kinda squishy in places

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Dagmar:

I mean what I say tho about generally not needing Mplayer

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Rico:

I keep getting "No Jobs. Checking and/or waiting for DVD" error when I try to rip DVD. I don't know how to give mythTV access

[05:24:34]

Dagmar:

Mainly make sure the /dev/hd* device node is readable

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Dagmar:

...but the user mythtv runs as.

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Dagmar:

s/but/by/;

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Rico:

okay I will be honest that was a little fuzzy for me. I am somewhat new to Linux. I have been working in it on and off for a year

[05:28:17]

Dagmar:

Okay, so if your DVD drive is an IDE one and it's the slave drive on the primary IDE bus, it'll be /dev/hdb

[05:28:33]

Dagmar:

Most people will have it as the _only_ drive on teh secondary IDE bus tho, which would make it /dev/hdc

[05:28:45]

Dagmar:

Mainly, you can just tell from doing an ls -al /dev/hd* and it'll kinda stand out

[05:29:07]

Dagmar:

The mythtv user needs read access to that device

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Dagmar:

If the thing is owned by root (it will be) and in the 'cdrom' group (or something like that) you can just add the mythtv user to the 'cdrom' group and the next login session will be abel to read it fine

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Dagmar:

wheee time to go home

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Rico:

thanks for the help

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hachi:

is there any ease in trying to move from one backend server to another?

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hachi:

I don't even know what to look for in docs for searching to see if people do this

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wagnerrp:

any ease?

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hachi:

if it's not condoned, if it will light my dog on fire

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hachi:

well, I'm sorta asking... am I going to attempt it and every step along the way discover one more thing to... er... slow me down

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hachi:

I'm a mysql DBA, so I'm not really afraid... just trying to gauge the project :\

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hachi:

not that it means anything to be a DBA... but it's a possible baseline

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wagnerrp:

well the only thing you really have to worry about is orphaning your tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

youll have the cards on the old machine listed as 'not connected'

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hachi:

I know there's an option to 'delete all tuner cards' in the interface... at least in my memory

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wagnerrp:

so just go into mythtv-setup, and delete them before moving off the old backend

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hachi:

but the thing is, no tuners in my master backend

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hachi:

and the slaves are staying the same

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hachi:

so maybe it'll just 'go' :)

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wagnerrp:

well then as long as it has the same file access as the previous backend, there is no issue

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wagnerrp:

just change the IP of the master, and start the backends back up

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hachi:

okay... starting it up :)

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hachi:

(the process, I mean)

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Gary135791:

Hey guys, if I'm installing KnoppMyth, will it screw up majorly if the box doesn't have internet access?

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cesman:

no, it won't

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cesman:

however you won't be able to get guide data

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cesman:

automatically that is...

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Gary135791:

Yeah, I'm just screwing around for now, but don't have a spare WiFi card anywhere.

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cesman:

Gary135791: please join #knoppmyth for any KnoppMyth related questions

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Gary135791:

Ahh, sorry :)

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neztiti:

guys how i can great favorite list

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neztiti:

C

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wagnerrp:

list of favorite recordings? favorites list in mythvideo? list for what?

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neztiti:

wagnerrp: live tv

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wagnerrp:

none that i know of

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wagnerrp:

but you can fake it in mythvideo using symlinks

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neztiti:

ok thank u m8

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dustybin:

Will MythTV de-interlace properly when using a 100hz flicker-free CRT Television? Justinh seems to think NOT, is that really the case?

[10:17:12]

justinh:

it doesn't matter WTF your TV is

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justinh:

let me just repeat that

[10:17:22]

justinh:

it doesn't matter WTF your TV is

[10:17:23]

justinh:

it doesn't matter WTF your TV is

[10:17:23]

justinh:

it doesn't matter WTF your TV is

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sid3windr:

wait, you mean... it doesn't matter WTF your TV is?

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sid3windr:

is that what you're saying?

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sid3windr:

it can't be what you're saying! can it?

[10:19:01]

justinh:

if you're trying to display interlaced content via a progressive medium (aka a video card with or without TV [svideo/composite) output) you WILL need mythtv to do the deinterlacing

[10:19:24]

justinh:

if you don't want it to look like shit, that is

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dustybin:

justinh: i remember you warning me a while back to 'STAY AWAY FROM 100hz TVs'?

[10:19:49]

stuarta:

or bouncing up n down quickly

[10:20:27]

** stuarta suspects he could have said that better **

[10:20:58]

justinh:

even if you have some kind of notional 'VGA-scart' connection and somehow manage to get an interlaced PAL mode working with it, there's no way to guarantee the fields are displayed in the right order.. ok so you have a 50% chance of them being in the right order when playback is started. yet again, deinterlacing is probably required

[10:21:46]

justinh:

dustybin: every single 100Hz TV I've ever seen has handled interlaced material absolutely appallingly

[10:22:25]

justinh:

it's nothing but a gimmick anyway

[10:23:45]

dustybin:

justinh: ok tar muchly, will buy another 50hz CRT (28") for downstairs, might get a panasonic this time!

[10:24:15]

justinh:

maybe the DSPs got better but ffs there's many a newer set that can't deinterlace for toffee

[10:25:26]

justinh:

is it even worth buying a CRT nowadays? infact where the hell sells them these days?

[10:25:52]

justinh:

RagNBoneMan TV shop?

[10:26:04]

dustybin:

ebay

[10:26:31]

justinh:

heh

[10:26:47]

justinh:

gawd I hate to think what the postage'd be on that :)

[10:27:10]

dustybin:

pick up onlu

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stuarta:

where exactly do you go to pickup something from ebay?

[10:28:57]

justinh:

Pssst! meet me at The Dog & Duck at 7pm, by the gents'

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** justinh ponders sacking Virgin Media for all but broadband **

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jduggan:

what else do you use them for?

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stuarta:

is there tv not any good?

[10:40:03]

jduggan:

actually i dont mind their TV service

[10:40:27]

jduggan:

nothing wrong with their on demand service

[10:40:43]

jduggan:

i pay 20quid a month for their XL phone service, M broadband, M tv

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stuarta:

that's what myth is for!

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jduggan:

i've no reason to remove virginmedia

[10:41:01]

jduggan:

:)

[10:41:04]

jduggan:

at that price..

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jduggan:

stuarta: myth can only record what has been broadcast... their on demand has old runs of various shows

[10:42:04]

jduggan:

which would probably take months/years to get from repeats etc

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stuarta:

k

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justinh:

£20 a month for all that? how the hell?!

[10:45:01]

stuarta:

longer you stay with them the more they just keep upgrading things apparently

[10:45:06]

justinh:

we pay something like £10 a month for phone & 'free' TV

[10:45:41]

justinh:

oh wait now I remember the 'M' broadband is only 2Mbit

[10:46:03]

justinh:

maybe I'll just downgrade to that instead

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justinh:

since they'll be upgrading the 'L' service to 10Mb, and I'd need a cable modem for that. yay another box under the telly :-\

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jduggan:

it was a special offer, and even the staff couldnt believe it was that cheap... i was charged like 50quid/month for 2 months before i realised, all the operators i spoke to were like 'i cant imagine we'd ever have an offer like that'... i was like 'i have a signed agreement with all services outlined and a price of 20quid per month'

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jduggan:

in the end it got resolved

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justinh:

it's £9 a month for the 2Mb service, so plus £10 for the phone & telly. £19. bargain

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jduggan:

they said 'but we cant give you the X phone package.. we have to do it with the XL.. i was like oh geez, well im sure that wont be an issue ;)'

[10:48:06]

jduggan:

s/X/L/

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jduggan:

justinh: 9/month? isnt that for 6months or something

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jduggan:

last i saw the 2mbit was 18quid/month

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justinh:

oh shit yeah

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justinh:

bastards

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justinh:

anyway, £25 a month is too much for surfing, IRC & email

[10:56:17]

jduggan:

you got 10mbit?

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justinh:

no, it's 'L' through the STB which means a max of 4Mbit. since they're upgrading it to 10mbit I lose out if I don't get them to install a cable modem, so let's just downgrade

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justinh:

or is the max 6Mbit? anyway I lose out without the cable modem

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justinh:

what they don't make clear on their website is the 'unlimited' downloads don't mean anything like that. nor that the 10Mbit isn't available in all areas

[11:00:27]

jduggan:

i think the 4mb upgrade to 10mbit has been rolled out everywhere

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justinh:

only for customers with cable modems :)

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jduggan:

im just waiting for them to upgrade 2mbit to 4mbit

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jduggan:

yea

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jduggan:

i dont need more than 2mbit @ home

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justinh:

anybody with a STB has to know they need a cable modem. they win :)

[11:01:10]

jduggan:

if i need movies/music/something large i get it in work

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justinh:

for what I download of a large size I can just get it over 2Mb

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laga:

you don't need more than 2mbit at home?

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jduggan:

laga: why would i ?

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jduggan:

i'd like it

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jduggan:

but dont need it

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laga:

i'd die a *slow*, painfaul death at 2mbit/s ;)

[11:02:00]

justinh:

with rising costs of everything else, we're economising

[11:02:09]

jduggan:

laga, do you download loads of media?

[11:02:21]

justinh:

jduggan: he just said as much :)

[11:02:31]

jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

nod

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stuarta:

i'm happy with my 7.6Mb/s

[11:02:43]

stuarta:

ADSL

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stuarta:

:)

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jduggan:

i'm happy with up to 200MB/s i get in work

[11:03:06]

laga:

jduggan: i occasionally download lots of distros (eg daily ubuntu builds) and i want them to be on my hard disk now. takes less than five minutes ;)

[11:03:10]

justinh:

anyway, VM's DNS is shite, so it doesn't matter what speed you're on if the domain resolution takes yonks

[11:03:13]

GreyFoxx:

I could get along with a 3rd of the bw I have now at home happily, but since it costs me do extra I'll keep my 15mb

[11:03:25]

stuarta:

jduggan: okay you win, only have 100Mb/s at the office

[11:03:38]

jduggan:

stuarta: multiple gigabit peers ;)

[11:03:40]

GreyFoxx:

but considering 99% of the traffic is sshing to work machines and soem websurfing I don't need much

[11:03:40]

justinh:

we have a piece of damp string at work

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GreyFoxx:

For me low latency and always on are key more than total bw

[11:03:58]

stuarta:

jduggan: same, but the last mile to the office is only 100Mb

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jduggan:

(kinda cheatin that we're a colocation/rack space facility)

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stuarta:

s/mile/link

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jduggan:

;P

[11:04:21]

stuarta:

:)

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justinh:

the IT dept have a decicated monitor with usage graphs on it. anybody taking more than 2MB of download size, they look at the switch, then turn off the port or visit people at their desk :(

[11:04:56]

jduggan:

hah

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GreyFoxx:

doh

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stuarta:

what you need is to QOS yourself

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jduggan:

what if you need to look @ a big pdf attachment

[11:05:31]

justinh:

apparently one lunchtime emails weren't going out. somebody was looking at youtube videos

[11:05:43]

justinh:

jduggan: what if nothing

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justinh:

you have to go to them, cap in hand

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justinh:

bloody nazis

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stuarta:

self qos

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jduggan:

i see what you mean by damp string :)

[11:06:28]

stuarta:

although if you are on windows in the office then it might be difficult

[11:06:48]

justinh:

stuarta: managed switches everywhere. not risking my job just for a bit of bw

[11:07:01]

stuarta:

you don't have to :)

[11:07:09]

jduggan:

surprised they dont qos/police traffic anyway

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jduggan:

make it all automated

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stuarta:

probably too stupid

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justinh:

where's the fun in that? ;)

[11:07:30]

laga:

or just redirect youtube to some nasty website

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jduggan:

emails priority, web second, everything else best effort

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justinh:

we only have like ADSL coming in here

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jduggan:

yea it would be better to have some proxies filter youtube :)

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justinh:

we link up to another building via ISDN..

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justinh:

it's er... how do you spell clueless?

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stuarta:

ISDN! fm

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stuarta:

can't talk much, we only recently got rid of our X25 lines

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jduggan:

heh

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jduggan:

we have two buildings linked with 8gig of fibre

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stuarta:

nice.

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justinh:

the other building is where the main SVN server is, where I need to download software from – only all the switch ports on this floor get less than half what they get in marketing upstairs, and they don't even need svn access but guess whose office is upstairs...

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justinh:

nevermind. none of this will matter after Saturday when the super LHC is switched on :D

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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justinh:

anyway, I remember when all we had was 512k & that was enough for grabbing the odd er.. open source video & cdrom

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GreyFoxx:

I haven't had less than 2Megabit to my house since 98 :)

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justinh:

page requests were way faster then too

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GreyFoxx:

it was almost all small, hand written flat html without a lot of images

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GreyFoxx:

it was nice

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justinh:

at home we actually see the 'looking up...' for quite a while sometimes

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GreyFoxx:

ahhh slow dns

[11:16:28]

justinh:

page loading is lightning fast usually, just the lookups are like HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG!

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GreyFoxx:

check your setup, make sure all of of the DNS servers you are using are valid

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justinh:

they're the ones my ISP says

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laga:

try opendns?

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laga:

although i don't use that yet

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justinh:

opendns suck more

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stuarta:

that hang about 30s?

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GreyFoxx:

we had 1 customer whose internal DHCP server was serving up 2 DNS servers to all the machines, and the first was an IP no longer in use

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GreyFoxx:

so ALL lookups timed out before moving on

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justinh:

dnsmasq helped a little

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jduggan:

dig @YOURISPDNSSERVER google.com IN A does that return right away?

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justinh:

ruh?

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jduggan:

they IPS they give you for dns

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jduggan:

dig @IP_1 google.com IN A

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justinh:

yeah during the day it's fine

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justinh:

looking up google.com took 22ms

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stuarta:

caching nameserver

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jduggan:

22 isnt bad, what does it get to in teh evenings? :)

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justinh:

no idea. mcuh worse, presumably

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justinh:

didn't have a clue about that dig effort til now – cheers

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stuarta:

dig. dns admin's tool of choice

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justinh:

righto. time for lunchables

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justinh:

hmmm still don't have a clue where the hell the word 'competitor' comes from when people compare mythtv to other things

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jduggan:

heh

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stuarta:

poor cousin maybe

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c4t3l:

greetings all!

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justinh:

"muh, but xyz has a nicer interface. and demos on youtube" myers, but can it record telly or does it utterly rely on shite quality video sharing sites & illegally downloaded content? Ah :D

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neztiti:

h guys – any one here access astra19.2

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blackest:

from time to time

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i3ooi3oo:

borked my setup yesterday :(

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justinh:

ooopseeeeeeeeeee

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laga:

everyone wants restore, but nobody wants backups ;)

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justinh:

just a gentle reminder btw that asking questions along the lines of "does anybody" is pretty meaningless :)

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neztiti:

blackest: did u watch premiere direct ( D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 )??

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justinh:

sounds like pay tv.

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neztiti:

yes

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justinh:

hope you have a CAM & a valid viewing card then :)

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neztiti:

justinh: i mean i miss these channels with the scan

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justinh:

neztiti: the default is to skip encrypted channels by default, IIRC. now if you'd said that in the first place we'd have got here much sooner

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blackest:

justin do you know anything about pabx ?

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stuarta:

you plug phones into it

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justinh:

has somebody been snooping me looking into VOIP today?!

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blackest:

lol not at all i just happen to be looking at pabx coz i need to set up 12 extensions

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blackest:

i did look at asterisk and saw the hardware cost

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justinh:

for home? y'all need to get out more

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blackest:

no for a guest house

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blackest:

regs say that there has to be a phone in each guestbed room

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stuarta:

bet they don't say it has to *work* :)

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justinh:

I was wondering about asterix today & where the pci cards come from, how much they are etc

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blackest:

actually it does

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blackest:

asterisk card only £400

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justinh:

from what I saw today you can get an 8 port VOIP gateway for a hundred notes

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stuarta:

www.voiptalk.org

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justinh:

ethernet in, 8 phone sockets

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stuarta:

ooo, where...?

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justinh:

can't remember now

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justinh:

oops. £189 plus VAT

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stuarta:

close ish

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justinh:

linksys spa8000

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justinh:

cheap considering their 2 port one is £45 & not really 2 ports

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justinh:

provu.co.uk

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justinh:

blackest: anyway I'm sure you could get a 2nd user PABX for less – though fecknows how you get it installed

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blackest:

i think i may have found a bt one going cheap

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justinh:

going with IP might be better, then you can bill the customer properly

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justinh:

it's not a hotel phone unless it's £5 per minute to any number

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blackest:

nah just charge 50p a minute and then it can just gather dust :)

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blackest:

well £5 a minute might be better i don't actually want anyone using it

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justinh:

actually do they have to be able to get an external line?

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blackest:

yep

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justinh:

make sure to fit mobile jammers in every room then

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blackest:

i found one for about £100 in hongkong but i really dont trust em

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blackest:

no one outside of them has anything to say about their products

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justinh:

heh linksys also have the SPA-9000 – 16 extensions. £199 inc

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blackest:

i think it'd be acceptable to make them go via reception thou

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blackest:

hmm now that could be more useful

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elg:

a sip device(s) is definitely the way to go over those PCI cards

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elg:

the pci cards work, but nothing but trouble compared to sip devices

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blackest:

176.36

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elg:

think hardware encoder vs software encoder

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blackest:

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDeta . . . oductID=2869

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elg:

i like my sipura. linksys bought sipura. if they didn't screw it up...

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justinh:

so then you just need a broadband provider, SIP provider & you're laughing

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blackest:

well the handsets are not cheap for it

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blackest:

specially when you need 12 of em

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justinh:

hmm so you'd need a gateway with analogue ports

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justinh:

then just use any ole cheap phone

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elg:

sip phones start about $80, individual ATAs about $60, a many-port ATA probably the most cost-effective. then you just have analog handsets

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justinh:

bet it's 6 of one, half a dozen of the other though

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justinh:

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDeta . . . oductID=4453 times two ?

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justinh:

there's money in them thar hotel systems!

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stuarta:

there's a new career for you!

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justinh:

heheheh. hey baby I'm your telephone man

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reel:

GreyFoxx: regarding my QAM tuning problems, I got an email on the mailing list containing perl script to insert channels into the db and this seems to be working fine for me now. I have to test a bit more this evening but my remote testing yielded positive results

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justinh:

hahaha young uns today. forum post from some guy advising a bint to get a copy of The Dark Crystal to watch.. she's not having it, says it's "probably some horrible porn flick"

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directhex:

O_o

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directhex:

hot gelf-on-gelf action!

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** Penfold attempts to figure out in what universe Dark Crystal is a porn title. Ok, I guess it could be some vampire movie, but.... **

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AndyCap:

Penfold: hentai.

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AndyCap:

but sounds like the girl has gotten burned before

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directhex:

just because she watched legend of the overfiend ONCE!

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AndyCap:

urotsukidoji for the lose.

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directhex:

urotsukidoji 4 was about 60% cut for an 18 cert...

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AndyCap:

for those wondering there's an essay here. http://web.archive.org/web/20051103202806/htt . . . erfiend.html

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Penfold:

worksafe? (the essay, I mean)

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dman-:

hey all, im having an issue where mythtv frontend freezes when i go to "watch videos' after i add a rather lage folder to its config path

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Shadow__X:

how long does it freeze

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dman-:

i havent waited long enough to see, but it starts eating up cpu/ram/swap

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dman-:

its about 800gig of data, does it attempt to do some kind of search/cache or something?

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Shadow__X:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

it gets metadata

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Shadow__X:

its gonna be awhile while it indexes

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Shadow__X:

what are system specs

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dman-:

dual core 1.6ghz celeron with 1gb ram

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Shadow__X:

just let it chug along

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Shadow__X:

1.6 celeron isnt going to do that in a secound

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dman-:

yeah thanks will do, just wanted to make sure its not just freezing :)

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Shadow__X:

just let it chug along

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Shadow__X:

if it dies

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Shadow__X:

and doesnt do anything

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Shadow__X:

then you know its an issue

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Shadow__X:

esp when you know your adding 800gb of data

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dman-:

yeah

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Shadow__X:

thats alot for that measely celeron 1.6

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dman-:

ill give it an hour or so

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Shadow__X:

should be enough

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Shadow__X:

also check top

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Shadow__X:

or just cpu usage

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thatdood:

mornin Shadow

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thatdood:

speaking of cpu usage

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thatdood:

im curious as to why there are so many instances of mysqld console-kit-daemon and mythbackend showing up in htop?

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Shadow__X:

duno?

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

mourning thatdood

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thatdood:

seems odd

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Shadow__X:

that it is

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Shadow__X:

reboot the machine then check

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Shadow__X:

or have you tried that

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dman-:

ubuntu thatdood?

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dman-:

it might be a bug

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dman-:

i get it too

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dman-:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=556272

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dman-:

there it is

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thatdood:

mythbuntu, but yeah same diff

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thatdood:

think theres like 40 instances of console-kit-daemon lol

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Shadow__X:

reboot

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Shadow__X:

maybe that was all the times you tried to connect

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dman-:

one annoying bug ubuntu has atm is when you close a gnome console via the window button it keeps the shells alive

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thatdood:

got 23 instances of mythbackend too

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dman-:

that would probably be slowing things down

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thatdood:

they seem to randomly take turns using cpu time lol

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thatdood:

albeit only 1.3% every once in a while

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thatdood:

Shadow_X made me dangerous now, informing me of these new tools. Now i'm poking around all over the place. lol

[16:28:27]

Shadow__X:

what tools

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Shadow__X:

what did i do

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thatdood:

htop

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Shadow__X:

i dont know if that was me

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thatdood:

so if thats for fast user switching, i hardly see 60 users wanting to use the backend sitting in the basement under the stairs

[16:30:38]

Shadow__X:

hmm

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C_Logical:

I am really lost in trying to get MythTV to rip DVDs. I keep getting the "No jobs" error when I try to rip one

[16:35:31]

Pryon:

hit '0' and see what happens

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Shadow__X:

how do i tell mythtv frontend from terminal using qt and 1680x1080

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Shadow__X:

nvm

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Shadow__X:

i found it

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Pryon:

C_Logical: unless I'm minsunderstanding your problem.

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thatdood:

dman: just counted. exactly 60 instances of console-kit

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C_Logical:

with my issue, I am 90% percent sure that MythTV has access to everything but there might be something I am missing

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thatdood:

hmmmm, did a restart, and while shutting down it locked up with a constant beep from the computer. is there some kind of shutdown log i can look at?

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thatdood:

for optimum performance, should myth be set up on one drive, and all recordings and what not put on another drive?

[17:03:08]

Shadow__X:

it all depends on hd speed

[17:03:31]

Shadow__X:

i have everything on one drive i can record 3 shows at once and watch 1 of them

[17:03:34]

Shadow__X:

and not have an issue

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thatdood:

320GB seagate baracuda 7200 rpm drives

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Shadow__X:

should be fine

[17:05:53]

Shadow__X:

you can always move stuff over

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wagnerrp:

for optimal performance, it doesnt matter because linux caches programs

[17:06:46]

thatdood:

was just trying to figure out the best way to do it, and what file system to put on the "data" drive

[17:06:58]

Shadow__X:

you can have it sep

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Shadow__X:

if you want

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wagnerrp:

myth should be almost entirely memory resident, and if not, who cares, because the recordings will be cached in memory until it has enough disk IO to write them out

[17:07:41]

thatdood:

i see

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thatdood:

thought it might be nice to have the main drive smaller and easier to back up to the data drive as well.

[17:09:18]

thatdood:

if the main drive has a hardware failure, i could swap it out, and restore it from the secondary drive. just a thought

[17:09:37]

wagnerrp:

personally, i dont have a main drive, my 'boot disk' is PXE and NFS

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wagnerrp:

if the drive containing the boot image fails, i have backups and can retask another machine to do so in about 5 minutes

[17:11:11]

wagnerrp:

and thats only because i would have to migrate the DNS and DHCP servers as well

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thatdood:

that sounds a bit over my head. lol

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wagnerrp:

give it time

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: so much for that thread not going anywhere eh? ;)

[17:51:25]

justinh:

still, it's not what I'd call on fire yet

[17:51:56]

wagnerrp:

the 'poor usability' thread?

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GreyFoxx:

It has done to anywhere but what the thread was actually about :)

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GreyFoxx:

One problem is everyone has a different definition of usability... to me it means flexibilty to fit my desired USES of it, to others it means braincandy interface requiring not thought to use

[17:54:48]

GreyFoxx:

and in the end, most of their setup problems are outside of myth. linux/mysql/hardware "usability" but it call gets lumped onto myth in their mind because myth uses those

[17:55:01]

justinh:

yup

[17:55:21]

wagnerrp:

mythtv should be smart enough to work around clueless users... :P

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Shadow__X:

but

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Shadow__X:

but

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Shadow__X:

do you want everyone to use it

[17:59:41]

GreyFoxx:

I don't care

[17:59:43]

Shadow__X:

would you want everyone to use linux

[17:59:49]

GreyFoxx:

Again, I don't care

[17:59:52]

wagnerrp:

if they wanted everyone to use it, the would higher tech support

[18:00:00]

Shadow__X:

hmm

[18:00:03]

wagnerrp:

hire

[18:00:11]

GreyFoxx:

PEople seem to assume that a project is trying to get everyone to use their stuff, or "beat" microsoft or some such

[18:00:12]

justinh:

users don't matter. well they do, but they don't

[18:00:26]

PatrickDK:

users matter when your getting payed

[18:00:30]

GreyFoxx:

when in reality, we are doing what we enjoy, making what we want , and if it helps or works for others then GREAT

[18:00:36]

PatrickDK:

and the more users you have, the more lawsuits you have

[18:00:39]

GreyFoxx:

but that's not the same as trying to convert people

[18:00:47]

GreyFoxx:

exactly

[18:01:09]

GreyFoxx:

more users = more unreasonable support expectations, yet there is no compensation :)

[18:01:28]

Shadow__X:

hmm

[18:01:29]

** directhex wrote some patches for an app today! :o **

[18:01:31]

directhex:

not myth, though

[18:01:32]

Shadow__X:

i gotcha

[18:01:35]

GreyFoxx:

If you were buying or renting my "product" sure I'd want more users and do everything to make it so any joe monkey could do it

[18:01:35]

directhex:

a DAAP server

[18:01:35]

justinh:

can't speak for all the developers here but the vast majority of people are scratching their own itches. there's no 'mission' as such. no big altruistic goal as far as anybody can see. as far as OSS projects go there aren't many which put Mr User at the top of a list

[18:01:40]

PatrickDK:

I thought we already had unreasonable support expectations :)

[18:01:52]

directhex:

PatrickDK, moreso! :o

[18:02:31]

justinh:

and if that makes me an evil bastard, so be it. I don't care. that isn't to say I've not done my bit to help promote mythtv & try to dispel some of the (ahem) myths about it though – far from it

[18:02:48]

Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

alright

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Shadow__X:

so then its kinda like if i want support for my analog card so much i should get into gear and make it

[18:03:41]

GreyFoxx:

yes :)

[18:03:45]

justinh:

not necessarily. you could wait for somebody else to do it because they want to ;)

[18:03:48]

wagnerrp:

i tried to promote the myths! primarily because i want to scare off friends who dont have a chance of being able to run myth

[18:04:01]

Shadow__X:

heh

[18:04:04]

Shadow__X:

alright i gotcha

[18:04:13]

Shadow__X:

i can give someone 5 bucks for it heh

[18:04:49]

Shadow__X:

ithat was a joke

[18:04:55]

justinh:

on the other hand, I find it really rewarding to tackle stuff I'm capable of dealing with – just to have a go & see what I can do. feels good til the comments start rolling in

[18:05:12]

justinh:

so now I'd much rather do stuff behind the scenes, so to speak

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[18:05:44]

wagnerrp:

i wonder how far moving to an embedded SQL solution would go towards usability

[18:06:12]

GreyFoxx:

It's a can of worms, cause you loose the power of a networked database

[18:06:15]

wagnerrp:

i mean how many people are in the IRC channel asking for help, not knowing that they actually had to start MYSQL, much less do some configuration

[18:06:16]

justinh:

my next project is going to be translating mythmovies to proper English – that'll also start the ball rolling to help people translate it to other languages

[18:06:21]

GreyFoxx:

so you have to reinvent the wheel to get some of that ability

[18:06:28]

justinh:

wagnerrp: actually not that many these days

[18:06:44]

wagnerrp:

justinh: i see several per day

[18:06:44]

GreyFoxx:

which introduces bugs and instability, along with complaints from people who have done custom stuff relying on the DB access

[18:06:54]

wagnerrp:

right...

[18:06:54]

justinh:

and those who do are running *buntu & they've ignored the onscreen messages which tell them WTF is going on

[18:07:28]

GreyFoxx:

But after the painful crossover it might be a better option for "most" people

[18:07:29]

EvilGuru:

Nowadays it is all "hardware accelerate h.264", "how can I steal t3h cable!!!one1" or "is zomg wtf bbq card supported"

[18:07:36]

justinh:

because in all honesty you have to be a damn IDIOT to get an ubuntu mythtv install messed up from the standpoint of mysql these days

[18:08:03]

Shadow__X:

i secound that

[18:08:51]

justinh:

but again that had FA to do with mythtv itself

[18:09:57]

justinh:

just got lumped in because that's what they were installing. I hate to think how badly an install of MediaPortal can go if you don't pay any attention to the onscreen alerts about needing XYZ installed etc

[18:10:18]

justinh:

so much for doubleclick installation eh

[18:11:15]

justinh:

I still think the popups ubuntu users get should have timeouts though, just to avoid the YES YES YES YES YES clicking without people actually *reading* them :)

[18:11:55]

justinh:

maybe it's different now I dunno – been a while since I took one for a test drive

[18:12:11]

Shadow__X:

or a automatic iq test

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Shadow__X:

eh

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Shadow__X:

eh

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justinh:

heh. if you really wanna be a purist about it, just suggest making them compile it all from scratch – no live cd or anything :P

[18:13:01]

Shadow__X:

or a thing where if you keep on clicking yes without reading it will delete

[18:13:09]

Shadow__X:

sounds good justinh

[18:13:38]

justinh:

who was it that said if you make something idiot proof you'll only attract a different class of idiot?

[18:14:36]

Shadow__X:

someone who believes that there arent many smart people

[18:15:01]

Shadow__X:

and Dagmar i found that it was truelly a driver bug with the new ati drivers others have reported the same issue

[18:15:05]

Shadow__X:

although xv works

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justinh:

maybe it no worky well enough for mythtv

[18:15:59]

Shadow__X:

others have had issues with wine

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Shadow__X:

and other apps

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Shadow__X:

opengl fixes the screen corruption but then hangs on menus

[18:16:18]

Shadow__X:

lol

[18:16:35]

Shadow__X:

so its a toss up whats more usefull using qt or using opengl

[18:16:36]

justinh:

heh. other apps – presumably ones on the list ATI specifically said they didn't support on linux

[18:16:59]

Shadow__X:

although the screen is corrupted since i member the menu i can go around and watch something and although its messed up it still plays

[18:17:07]

Shadow__X:

so over i think qt although corrupted more useful

[18:17:29]

justinh:

Shadow__X: using qt painter but opengl video rendering?

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C_Logical:

can anyone give me a hand with troubleshooting a "No job" error when I rip a DVD?

[18:17:47]

justinh:

never heard of the qt painter getting messed up – not even on ATI

[18:17:57]

jblack:

Slashdot has the best poll of all time.

[18:17:58]

Shadow__X:

no qt and using xv

[18:18:18]

Shadow__X:

justinh, its a bug with the new drivers

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jblack:

Best battle between a Star Wars character and a star trek character

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Shadow__X:

hmm justinh it is an issue with wine too

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Shadow__X:

iget the same corruption

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Shadow__X:

bbl

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[19:06:55]

dustybin:

justinh: do you think i should go for a panasonic CRT instead of a philips?

[19:07:09]

wagnerrp:

youre going for a CRT?

[19:07:15]

dustybin:

yes

[19:07:24]

dustybin:

why not?

[19:07:50]

dustybin:

£800 for a LCD v £50 for a CRT

[19:07:53]

wagnerrp:

i suppose if you want to do things on the cheap and crappy

[19:08:03]

dustybin:

CRT = not crappy picture

[19:08:09]

wagnerrp:

no one bothers making decent CRTs anymore

[19:08:20]

dustybin:

well it will be obviously 2nd hand

[19:08:56]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: there just isnt enough HD content to make LCD worthwhile

[19:09:10]

dustybin:

the odd BBC and ITV show, wow..

[19:09:52]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: that may be, but all the higher end CRT lines have been discontinued

[19:09:57]

wagnerrp:

of course youre buying an old unit anyway

[19:10:31]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: the whole of the UK are selling their old sets

[19:10:38]

** directhex is a gamer, a shitty crt is unimaginable **

[19:11:06]

** dustybin isnt a gamer **

[19:12:15]

** wagnerrp would rather have a TV with digital inputs **

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wagnerrp:

what size are you looking at getting?

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dustybin:

i have a 26" in my bedroom what is lovely

[19:13:31]

dustybin:

for downstairs a 28"

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dustybin:

do you think i should pick up a cheap 28" LCD

[19:14:14]

wagnerrp:

well at least over here, a low end LCD can be had for <$400

[19:14:36]

dustybin:

thats not too bad i guess

[19:14:40]

wagnerrp:

of that size

[19:14:43]

dustybin:

but if its low end, mythtv might look cack on it

[19:15:22]

wagnerrp:

the low end TVs really just mean shitty controllers more than anything else

[19:15:40]

wagnerrp:

poor scalers, no dynamic contrast, poor control software

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dustybin:

= mythtv looking cack

[19:16:00]

dustybin:

for 1, id like a LCD what does a resolution a computer can do

[19:16:05]

dustybin:

not that dodgy 1366 x 768

[19:16:10]

dustybin:

and that means more bucks

[19:16:24]

wagnerrp:

pretty much anything <26" will be a computer monitor with a tuner card

[19:16:49]

dustybin:

all the 32" are 1366 x 768

[19:17:01]

wagnerrp:

<20" are usually 1440x900, 20"-26" are usually 1680x1050

[19:17:14]

dustybin:

hmm

[19:17:16]

wagnerrp:

with some smaller 1024x768 thrown in for good measure

[19:17:34]

dustybin:

the only way is up

[19:18:01]

dustybin:

until i hit 1920 x 1080

[19:18:13]

dustybin:

a computer can do that resolution but that means SERIOUS bucks

[19:18:36]

wagnerrp:

well you can get a 24 or 27" monitor

[19:18:44]

wagnerrp:

probably <4600

[19:18:47]

wagnerrp:

$600

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dustybin:

monitors are not TVs, the colour gamma will be wrong

[19:18:57]

wagnerrp:

the better ones usually have assorted video inputs

[19:19:18]

wagnerrp:

color gamma can be adjusted in the monitor, but they will have no tuner

[19:19:29]

dustybin:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

as i said, anything under <26" is just a computer monitor anyway

[19:19:45]

dustybin:

ok

[19:19:48]

wagnerrp:

its all just a function of the controller

[19:20:44]

wagnerrp:

its all just a matter of preference anyway

[19:20:53]

dustybin:

aye

[19:21:01]

wagnerrp:

i have no intention of buying another CRT, like i have no intention of buying another PATA drive

[19:21:10]

dustybin:

heh

[19:21:24]

dustybin:

im happy with my 26" CRT in my bedroom

[19:21:31]

dustybin:

just need something for downstairs

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 33" CRT downstairs, i just couldnt imagine replacing it with another CRT

[19:22:01]

dustybin:

ok

[19:22:20]

dustybin:

how do you put up with the horrible image quality of LCDs?

[19:22:48]

wagnerrp:

i sit at a computer screen all day, so i dont know the difference

[19:22:56]

dustybin:

colours and the general picture looks much nicer on my CRT

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dustybin:

hmm

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: what LCD do you use

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dustybin:

and size

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wagnerrp:

generic 17", sony 17", samsung 20", all TN panels

[19:25:43]

wagnerrp:

ive also got a samsung 26" TV, and a (cheap ass) sylvania 33" CRT

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dustybin:

jesus hell

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dustybin:

how many frontends do you have

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wagnerrp:

on, one the CRT

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wagnerrp:

the first three are computer monitors

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: what kind of interlacing options do you use with mythtv for LCD panels?

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wagnerrp:

i dont have a frontend on the LCD, just use uPNP and my PS3

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

does uPNP view mythtv recordings?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the client device

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GreyFoxx:

yes

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GreyFoxx:

mythbackend exposts Music, Video and Recordings

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dustybin:

i need to speak to the CRT expert, justinh :P

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wagnerrp:

my PS3 cannot handle .nuv files, but then i only have mpeg and digital cards

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dustybin:

aye ok

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GreyFoxx:

exposes

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: have you ever used mythtv with a LCD?

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Sulx:

I use myth with 42" fullhd with hdmi

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GreyFoxx:

My main frontend is connected to a LCD and a projector

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Sulx:

looks great

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GreyFoxx:

so, yes

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GreyFoxx:

dvi->hdmi for the lcd, and dvi->dvi for the projector

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: what interlace settings do you use on mythtv with your LCD

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justinh:

always use the best deinterlacer your cpu will allow ;)

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justinh:

and yes lazy people that means you have to experiment!

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GreyFoxx:

checking ...

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dustybin:

justinh: i might go for a panasonic CRT for downstairs as you have never complained about your one

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dustybin:

(justinh not complaining about something must mean its pretty darn good)

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GreyFoxx:

on content >= 1280x720 I use Greedy Highmotion with no fallback, and on everything smaller GreedyH with a fallback to Kernel

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dustybin:

right interesting!!

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: does the playback look nice and smooth with those settings

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GreyFoxx:

Greedyh is smart enough to not deinterlace progressive content

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GreyFoxx:

looks perfect

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dustybin:

ace :-)

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: what make/model/size LCD you using?

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GreyFoxx:

LG 42", don't remember the exact model offhand

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dustybin:

a big beast!

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GreyFoxx:

It's on the same wall as the projector right above it heh

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wagnerrp:

bah, 42" is decent sized

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: do you think one would encounter problems when using a silly resolution like 1366 x 768

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wagnerrp:

i consider my 26" small

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wagnerrp:

beast is 55

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wagnerrp:

" or better

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dustybin:

you need a mamoth sized room for TVs that size

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GreyFoxx:

dust: I use that now

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GreyFoxx:

well, 1360x768 since 1366 is not workable

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: that means you have black edges of the image

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dustybin:

3 pixels each sise?

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dustybin:

side?

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GreyFoxx:

www.phaze.org/mythtv/tvwall.jpg

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GreyFoxx:

no, completely unseen

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wagnerrp:

no, that means the TV scales, like it does any other content

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GreyFoxx:

trust me, use the native res or as close to it as you can get of the TV

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GreyFoxx:

it will look like utter tripe if you don't

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: indeed

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dustybin:

GreyFoxx: a computer can never match the native res of 1366 x 768 thats why its best avoided

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AndyCap:

dustybin: never is a strong word. :)

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GreyFoxx:

it's not a never

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dustybin:

your TV will need to scale it and that could mean jitter and other shit

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GreyFoxx:

it's just that most cards/drivers wont do anything that is not a multiple of 8

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Dibblah:

dustybin: That's not true.

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Dibblah:

Err... Whoever.

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dustybin:

i would never ever buy a TV with 1366 x 768 res

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dustybin:

sod that

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AndyCap:

NoWidthAlignmentCheck for teh win!

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Dibblah:

nv cards have had a multiple of 8 limitation for some driver versions.

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laga:

can nvidia cards to it?

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laga:

ah

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Dibblah:

Intel works just fine.

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GreyFoxx:

Haven't been using on with 1366x768 for 8 months, I see no reason not to get one with it

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AndyCap:

so fishing around in the nvidia driver readme pays of.

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AndyCap:

though there seems to be a lot of cargo cults writing display setup howtos

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: you do realize that even digital TVs have overscan right?

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AndyCap:

ZOMG overscan.

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dustybin:

oh right ok

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wagnerrp:

even a 1280x720 tv viewing 1280x720p material is going to throw out usually 3% of the pixels, and rescale

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: unfortunately nobody in the lcd tv industry understood that

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AndyCap:

but oh well train has left the station and the stationhouse has been torched

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wagnerrp:

of course the entire concept of a VBI on digital transmission seems completely pointless, when you could just mux in a separate data stream

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andreax:

Is there a plan for mhp anytime in the future ?

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wagnerrp:

mhp?

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andreax:

Something germanish of mheg....

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: isn't vbi just a separate data stream

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andreax:

We got mhp instead of mheg here on dvb-t

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wagnerrp:

VBI should all be on a separate data stream, but it is not

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wagnerrp:

its broadcast in the areas that are normally overscanned

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teprrr:

is mhp really used for something somewhere?

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andreax:

Maybe nothing important, but I believe that mheg will be replaced by mhp in the future ?

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teprrr:

no idea, but I see no use for planning to do anything about it with precious and limited developer time, if there's no service provider who's using it..

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andreax:

I once only saw a better "videotext" on regular dvb-t receiver...

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teprrr:

erm, subtitles?

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AndyCap:

http://nrkbeta.no/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/ . . . tekst-tv.jpg mhp

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teprrr:

is that used in norway? cool :P

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teprrr:

at least here in finland there's nothing using mhp

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teprrr:

and I doubt anyone has a receiver capable of displaying mhp data

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andreax:

The question was just for curiosity. Im far away from criticize mythtv.. :)

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teprrr:

well, my question was out of curiosity as I haven't seen anything, but hype before dvb came to finland

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teprrr:

"we can provide better image quality! and we can provide interactive tv!!" and hrm, not much of that is there nowadays..

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andreax:

Yeah... It seems mostly "we can" is the end of the stories they tell us...

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andreax:

Maybe you're right, I really can't say if its with any use here.. I only realize that there are 2 or 3 mhp streams here...

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andreax:

And saw something like AndyCap posted on a regular receiver...

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justinh:

interactive TV is pretty much a non-event here in the UK too

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andreax:

In a differenz language.. :)

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justinh:

though they've done a lot more with it than a lot of other european services ;)

[20:10:32]

justinh:

java games, news, weather forecasts... all sorts

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justinh:

and free soft porn :D

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andreax:

The idea is nice... But it seems its only a idea... :)

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andreax:

hrhr

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justinh:

but of course MHP is a good way to keep those open source hippies from using your content in ways you don't approve of!

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andreax:

It seems the streams here are kindof consumer informations and alike...

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wagnerrp:

sounds like OCAP

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justinh:

there's precious little enough worth watching on TV anyway, so maybe they should concentrate on the *video* content first :D

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andreax:

hehehe so true

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andreax:

Sometimes I wonder if the strive in mythtv of all the great developers is worth that all, if see the "great" program sometimes...

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justinh:

most aren't on some great mission to rid the world of evil, you know

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andreax:

Im planning building a new backend and think about dvb-c with a ci module. I wonder if they are any dualcards (I fear that's a rights-problem)...?

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andreax:

hrhr

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justinh:

well mythtv doesn't support card sharing & probably never will – if that's what you mean

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justinh:

the officially supported method is to have a viewing card & CI module *per* *tuner*. don't shoot me

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andreax:

hmmm... I can't say. I only got experience on dvb-t until now. This ci-cardstuff makes me sick anyway...

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andreax:

I thought that... And I even think I've to pay the double to my cable provider ?

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andreax:

for a second card?

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wagnerrp:

well think of it this way, you have the option of using such 'ci-cardstuff'

[20:21:21]

justinh:

well, you usually only get one viewing card per subscription so you do the maths

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justinh:

and that's how they like it. Indeed they might even have it in their terms & conditions somewhere

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teprrr:

some providers provide another card for a small monthly fee

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teprrr:

at least that's how it is here in finland, I think

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justinh:

that said, piracy is rife in Europe. Thieving bastards

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teprrr:

something like +5e to your monthly bill will get you another card

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andreax:

wagnerp: I wonder what I get without ci – I think there isn't left much...

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andreax:

teprrr: I will ask them before I get any dvb-c card... If they will charge my whole life for it, they can keep it all....

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justinh:

Uk analogue satellite TV encryption was safe until Sky encrippled Star Trek. Then those pesky kids in the Netherlands decided to crack it. Ho Ho Ho

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AndyCap:

and so the season interface was born

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justinh:

too much TV is bad for you doncha know

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andreax:

The bad thing is I can't switch to -s – im forbid to place a dish, cause that are rented rooms... :(

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andreax:

justinh: I sleep like a baby with tv-pill! :)

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teprrr:

and depending on the channels, they may need card pairing

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teprrr:

which makes it harder to use without receiver box they want you to use

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andreax:

teprrr: Uhm... It feels like a spider's web! :(

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justinh:

oh bugger. If we downgrade to 2mbit broadband I lose my webspace altogether

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teprrr:

they want you not to pirate the shows :)

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teprrr:

at least canan+ hd needs special set-up box with support for card linking/pairing

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andreax:

Another idea would be the integration of the iptv-thingy of my internet-provider, but that's far away from my scope.. :)

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teprrr:

and hmm. there aren't many of those.. no idea if the stream between the box and your telly is encrypted though :P

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andreax:

teprrr: hell....

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justinh:

I have an idea. it probably is encrippled

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justinh:

BT Vision is

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andreax:

hehe

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andreax:

I've no idea how this technicaly works. I wonder how and I would like to test this with myth (cause the receiverbox is a joke), but im not willing to pay for it just for a test... I wrote them for technically datas and what they're doing there... But its seems they're not interested in including it in anything else than this idiot-box...

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andreax:

So: Keep it !

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Shadow__X:

hi everyone

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WattoDaToydarian:

Can anyone tell me what is required for mythtranscode to use a cut list in the database with a custom command in the user jobs?

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justinh:

mythtranscode --help

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justinh:

if that isn't enlightening I'll eat my non-existent hat

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WattoDaToydarian:

oh and I put the --honorcutlist switch in the command. For some reason it's not cutting

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justinh:

well, you do know that commercial flags != cutlist, yes?

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andreax:

--gencutlist – Copy the commercial skip list to the cutlist ?

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WattoDaToydarian:

Right, I actually manually made a cutlist using the editor

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WattoDaToydarian:

It has the scissors icon

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Mythtranscode

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WattoDaToydarian:

This is my command btw: /usr/bin/mythtranscode --honorcutlist -v file -m -e ps -i %DIR%/%FILE% -o "/media/videos/Recordings/%TITLE% – %SUBTITLE% @ %STARTTIMEISO%.mpg" >> /var/log/mythtv/mythtranscode.log

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WattoDaToydarian:

Oh i think it's because I am using the input file option

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justinh:

heh that might be it – it won't know about any cutlist for %FILE in the db, maybe

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dustybin:

justinh: do you time stretch EVERYTHING ?

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justinh:

no. just all my wife's recordings & stuff I want to get through faster

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justinh:

The Gadget Show, e.g.

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WattoDaToydarian:

justinh, I don't suppose you know by any chance how to get mythtranscode to display the progress percentage in the mythtv status page in mythweb?

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justinh:

nope

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dustybin:

justinh: LOL

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** dustybin imagines tina turner concert time stretched **

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justinh:

she knows how to turn it off during playback now though

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dustybin:

lol

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dustybin:

justinh: hack the code so she cannot do it

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WattoDaToydarian:

Ok my command is working now, see yall!

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wagnerrp:

how long did it take before she noticed you were doing that?

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justinh:

oh I told her. she's sold on it.

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justinh:

one of the things she tells her mates about as a matter of fact. Apparently Sky+ can't do that

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justinh:

heh & apparently Sky+ puts your recorded shows in the guide of all places

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intx13:

argh. firewire_tester works. test-mpeg2 works. plugreport looks fine. plugctl works. mythprime works. But mythtv? nope!

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bobgill:

I have set up mythweb and it runs fine but I'm here: http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc14 and I don't understand what the password part means.. I'd like to have it so not just anyone can see my mythweb if given URL, but needs a login

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xris:

bobgill: read INSTALL that comes with mythweb

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bobgill:

xris: yes I have checked the INSTALL and it instructs on putting the proper user/pass to connect to the backend for mythweb to function but not for mere access purposes (a login/pass for the mythweb site itself)

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bobgill:

ok I have found http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythWeb#Securing_Mythweb hopefully this will work :]

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atrus:

i'm looking at a wintv pvr-500 for use with mythtv. Looking at a picture of the card, there seem to be two coax input connectors, but one seems to be labeled "FM In". Can anybody confirm that i can spit my cable tv to 2 connectors, connect both to this card, and record/watch 2 channels simultaneously with mythtv?

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justinh:

one connector is for FM radio – you dont need two coax feeds for TV

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atrus:

the alternative would seem to be a cable box with an ir blaster to hook into the svideo/rca ins, which would be substantially more annoying.

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atrus:

justinh: ooh, but it's split internally to the two tuners and encoders...?

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bsdfox:

atrus: I have a pvr500

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bsdfox:

1 coax feed works for both channels

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justinh:

atrus: yup

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atrus:

awesome, that's even better.

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justinh:

FYI you'll also be able to record 2 things at the same time and watch a third show you already have recorded if you want

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justinh:

or watch more shows if you have more than one myth frontend on the network ;)

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Nido:

if you have more cards in the box you can record even more shows as well

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atrus:

right, right.

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Nido:

though computing power might be a problem then

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atrus:

well i have a pvrusb2 right now, but it's one of the ones with crappy audio clipping

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atrus:

so in principle i could make that the low-priority tuner and do 3 live recordings then.

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Nido:

I can record two 480x576 recordings on a P4 2.4Ghz with 768MB Ram

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atrus:

but i'm hunting a wild pvr-500 on ebay now.

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Nido:

atrus: if it has an audio-out port, you might want to try connecting that to your sound card if you don't already. You might also just need to lower recording volume

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atrus:

Nido: any raid for that?

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blackest:

justin what do you think to panasonic kxt 616

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Nido:

atrus: nopes; just one sata drive. The processor is the bottleneck though

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justinh:

my dev box – athlon 800 with 512MB RAM can record 10 things at the same time with multirec & one DVB-T tuner :P maybe more but I can't tax it any more than that

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justinh:

blackest: no idea

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atrus:

Nido: sadly no. and lowering the recording volume doesn't cut it. consensus is some models can be corrected that way, but some variants are just defective.

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Nido:

it averages on ~30% CPU; while having plenty spare ram and I can copy stuff around on that drive without a problem as well

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blackest:

16 extensions 6 lines and about £200 including some phones

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atrus:

well that sorts that out then. thanks muchly Nido, justinh, and bsdfox

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wagnerrp:

Nido: why/how connect a PVR-500 to the sound card?

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wagnerrp:

oh, the pvrusb2

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bobgill:

anyone here have HD capturing with Myth? If so curious which tuner you have, thx

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GreyFoxx:

I use a firewire settop box to recording hdtv here

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intx13:

hmm.. why might plugctl not actually do anything to the settings displayed in plugreport?

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justinh:

heheh ~25 mins to watch a 1 hour show at 1.8x :D (

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andreax:

justinh: Some Teletubbies Voices? :)

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laga:

andreax: it corrects the pitch automatically

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andreax:

oh.... never used it... not bad..

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WattoDaToydarian:

Hello everyone, I am having trouble with a custom mythtranscode command running from a user job. The problem is after it runs I can see the correct recording name in the folder that it put it in but when I look at the recording from another PC using samba I get weird names like "SQ6VSK~D.MPG" which seem to have random letters. This is my custom command "/usr/bin/mythtranscode -v file -m --honorcutlist -e ps -c

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WattoDaToydarian:

%CHANID% -s %STARTTIME% -o "/media/ideraid/videos/Recordings/%TITLE% – %SUBTITLE% @ %PROGSTARTISO%.mpg" >> /var/log/mythtv/mythtranscode.log"

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tank-man:

cause your filename has characters windows cant show

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tank-man:

like colon :

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tank-man:

or tick '

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WattoDaToydarian:

Doh! Do you know of a command that will remove those?

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tank-man:

tr

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tank-man:

take a look at maybe someone elses script, it probably has a similar line

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WattoDaToydarian:

tank-man, thanks for the tip. I don't suppose you know much about scripting? I made my own command and I'm unsure if it will work "echo "%TITLE% – %SUBTITLE% @ %PROGSTARTISO%.mpg" | tr : – > %filename% && mv "/media/ideraid/videos/Recordings/%TITLE% – %SUBTITLE% @ %PROGSTARTISO%.mpg" "/media/ideraid/videos/Recordings/%filename%"

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my2keh:

so what theme is everyone using?

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justinh:

I use glass-wide, a special version nobody else is ever likely to see

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my2keh:

ahh I see

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WattoDaToydarian:

I use project-greyhem

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my2keh:

why's that? heh

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justinh:

like it matters...

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andreax:

I use all of them depending on season and personal mood...

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justinh:

oh yeah now I remember. comments like "great BUT"

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directhex:

justinh, they were typos

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justinh:

really? gawd some are just appalling & make me want to puke

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directhex:

justinh, they meant "great butt!"

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justinh:

ahhhh

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my2keh:

LOL I sense some sensitivity

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my2keh:

i think I blew my speakers

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my2keh:

i get static ugh

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my2keh:

anyone get a lot of deplicates when setting the recordings to "Always"?

[23:16:52]

jblack:

what do you think 'always record' means?

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my2keh:

But there's a "Check for duplicates" drop down

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my2keh:

and Duplicate check method

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justinh:

yeah well, don't ever put your head out there on the block if you give a damn what people think, regardless of whether you know you do or not ;)

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my2keh:

constructive critisism

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my2keh:

err bad spelling

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justinh:

no such thing as "yeah great BUT" because as soon as they put the BUT.. it just eats away

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justinh:

if they want any better, let THEM do it

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justinh:

and when they come back with "muhhh but I can't...".. heh

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my2keh:

well don't ask for an opinion if you can't accept that opinion

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justinh:

I never did ask for one

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justinh:

opinions come free n easy in the OSS world whether you want em or not

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my2keh:

thn get a thicker skin

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justinh:

easier not to bother at all :)

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my2keh:

then quit whinning about it :)

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justinh:

who's whining?

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my2keh:

you are

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my2keh:

<justinh> no such thing as "yeah great BUT" because as soon as they put the BUT.. it just eats away

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justinh:

that's not whining

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justinh:

jesus

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my2keh:

ha!

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my2keh:

anyone here use multi-rec?

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

3 dvb-t tuners turned into 15 by the miracle of multirec

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my2keh:

how's it working for you?

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justinh:

works like a dog. no shit on the livingroom carpet yet either

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my2keh:

a good dog, or like a poodle? lol

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my2keh:

do you have to do anything special to use it?

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justinh:

works fine, very busy every day. no problems to report

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justinh:

IIRC I had to delete my existing tuners & re-add them but other than that, nothing to note

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my2keh:

hmm how do you know if channels are on the same transport?

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my2keh:

or do you just hope?

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justinh:

look in the dtv_multiplex table, and the channel table. or you just smugly know somehow :P

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justinh:

or just get enough hardware tuners that it doesn't really matter

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my2keh:

well I only have 2 DVB-s

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my2keh:

but one is on one bird and my other is on another

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justinh:

I could probably get by with just 2 tuners, but then we only have 6 dvb-t muxes

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justinh:

hmmm. then again, I doubt there's much worth watching on that many channels at the same time

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my2keh:

no, agreed, but right now I have conflicts out the ying yang

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justinh:

we just record everything we might conceivably want to watch

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my2keh:

yeah, that's my thinking

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my2keh:

I wasn't expecting any conflicts

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justinh:

it wouldn't harm anything but your bank balance to get a 4 way multiswitch thingy & another 2 dvb-s tuners

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my2keh:

but I got some

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my2keh:

LOL

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justinh:

hrm. can't seem to figure a way to get this midi controller's rotaries to work with Ableton EQs so that the middle of the control is 0db on the EQ

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justinh:

fiddly

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my2keh:

uhh lol

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my2keh:

man I wish there was a skin like Bell expressvu

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justinh:

so make one

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justinh:

ugh. yeah you can make that one fella. bleugh

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wagnerrp:

i love when my body makes weird gurgling noises

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wagnerrp:

its like my intestines have their own language, screaming 'stop eating damned mexican food'

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