Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 4th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Led-Hed:

Its just cheaper to get a $45 Mobo w/ 6100 in it, than to buy a 7300 seperately

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jpabq:

Asus is making g35 and g45 boards with onboard hdmi, which supposedly works very well.

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Dagmar:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A . . . ullHD%20R3.0 <-- seems to work okay

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jpabq:

I agree about the value

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Led-Hed:

not bad Dagmar

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Led-Hed:

built in DVI is nice. Fortunately all my TV's also have VGA

[00:02:52]

Led-Hed:

never owned an asrock before

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Dagmar:

The only thing that bugs me about it si that it doesn't have BIOS splash logo support

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Dagmar:

I'm working on that

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jpabq:

The're on of asus sub-companies.

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Dagmar:

I gotta figure out where the hell I put my copy of the AMI BIOS cutter

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Dagmar:

ASUS spun their home user line off into ASRock

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Dagmar:

...which amusingly started doing better than ASUS

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Led-Hed:

humm, didnt know that. So ASUS line is now for server stuff?

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Dagmar:

The ASUS boards have the boot splash feature. They're also AMI.

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Dagmar:

I figure there's a pretty good chance now that ASUS have it solved, I should be able to transplant that module into a BIOS on the ASRock board.

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Led-Hed:

The POST screen doesnt bother me.

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Dagmar:

Three motherboards I've had had splash support, so I stuck an old Hacker Inside logo on them

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Dagmar:

It looked well, mighty impressive on a TV screen

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Led-Hed:

:)

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Dagmar:

With a little tweaking you can basically make a logo appear all the way through the boot process, which looks professional IMHO

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Led-Hed:

agreed

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sid3windr:

Dagmar: how do you define "doing better" re asrock?

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sid3windr:

because asrock boards are utter crap :/

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Led-Hed:

lol

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Led-Hed:

So are ASUS, So doing better is still relevant

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sid3windr:

never had any problem with an asus board

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sid3windr:

as opposed to asrock boards, of which I never saw one without a problem

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Led-Hed:

3 of the 4 ASUS boards I've owned have dies an early death or were DOA

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sid3windr:

I used to buy abit, nowadays I switched to asus

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Led-Hed:

Abit use to make a good product. Now they are just average

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sid3windr:

just bought a bunch of new parts, mainboard is an asus p5q ws

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sid3windr:

which imo is a pretty cool board

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sid3windr:

yeah, abit was tops, now it's just... some board :)

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Led-Hed:

I like Gigabyte for top end, and Biostar for Budget

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jpabq:

I have had much better luck with Gigabyte, lately.

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Led-Hed:

I like the SOlid CAPs they use. Though thats starting to be a more common practice now

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sid3windr:

yeah, that's on the box of my p5q too

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sid3windr:

in huge letters, too :P

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Led-Hed:

This one looks perfect! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131214

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Led-Hed:

Parallel and Serial headers. Gotta love that

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** sid3windr was a bit miffed his p5q ws only contained solder points for a com header and not an actual connector ;/ **

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Led-Hed:

$150 for Mobo, CPU, and RAM. AMD 64 X2 5000 (2.6G), 1GB DDR 800, and nv7050 Chipset

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Jasonlw:

anyone tell me if its possible to change mythnotify to popup during movies/music? how?

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Led-Hed:

sid3windr, I doubt the solder points will even work. They probable left off the other circuitry

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Led-Hed:

my HD upgrade is gonna cost me $1500. Ugh

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Led-Hed:

thanks for the help Dagmar & jpabq. Night all

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Turner-:

How can I make Mythnotify pop up DURING movies or music? I can only make it work using livetv.

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TelnetManta:

anyone seen a problem where you cant "unlock" networking in mythbuntu?

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sid3windr:

yeah, wasnt gonna solder something on

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sid3windr:

oh, he left :)

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** sid3windr drowning in usb-serial adapters anyway **

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leprasmur1:

hello all. Does anyone know of a way to increase the buffer size of a frontend for playback?

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my2keh:

when configuring storage directories, do I put the initial slash in?

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my2keh:

ie /myth

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my2keh:

or just myth

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leprasmur1:

you should need a slash to make it a full path

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my2keh:

10–4

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n0_0n3:

can someone please help me with basic LIRC setup on ubuntu?

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squish102:

LOL, I was about to come and ask the SAME question

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squish102:

n0_0n3 maybe we can see what we have each done? I'm stuck after setting up a lircd.conf file and running lirc in debug and getting errors

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n0_0n3:

ok – sounds good – you are ahead of me

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squish102:

so i am trying to understand what i have done wrong

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squish102:

ok where are you?

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n0_0n3:

what version of ubuntu? i'm in PA

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squish102:

maybe if i backtrack, i will find out what i did wrong

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squish102:

im running 8.04 hardy

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squish102:

im sure it worked before i upgraded :(

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mzb_d800:

having a basic understand of how lirc{d} works is the first step ... then finding the tools necessary for debug

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my2keh:

anyone here use Optical (spdif) out with their mythbox?

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squish102:

i had ubuntu running and then selected mythbuntu

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n0_0n3:

does your device show in event?

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squish102:

then in mythbuntu i went into the control center and selected lirc and the usb ir receiver I had

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squish102:

yes

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squish102:

mine is runninf as event2

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n0_0n3:

i don't even have it show up in cat /proc/blahblah

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squish102:

what remote are you trying to use?

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squish102:

if i cat /dev/input/event2, i get grabage displayed (which is a good thing)

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n0_0n3:

i'm trying to use a oneforall w/ a standard serial IR

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squish102:

ok i only have a handful of usb IR's

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squish102:

not sure how much i can help with the serial side of it

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n0_0n3:

what do you do if it doesn't show up in /dev/input?

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squish102:

n0_0n3, isnt there a wiki walkthrough for this?

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mzb_d800:

$ cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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squish102:

i was following one, but then i didn't have the same outcome

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mzb_d800:

and check your syslog when you plug the receiver in

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n0_0n3:

i was following it, but is showed nothing for my circumstance

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squish102:

mzb_d800 i have lot the connection between knowing how lirc knows what remote i have in lircd.conf

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mzb_d800:

grammar?

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squish102:

so i get nothing back in irw, but lirc -D shows me that 'failed "firefly-mini" remote' and 'decoding failed for all remotes'

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squish102:

ya, grammer was bad in that line

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n0_0n3:

i wish i could help – i'm stuck at baby steps – nothing in dmesg or syslog

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squish102:

and the most frustrating thing is that it works on a clean install of mythbuntu, but somehow i have screwed it up on my main system and i don't have a clue what i have done :(

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mzb_d800:

to the point where I couldn't understand what you were saying ;)

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squish102:

n0_0n3 did u get anything in cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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mzb_d800:

uninstall it then, remove the config files and then start again

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squish102:

because i see my usb thing in there

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n0_0n3:

no – just pc speaker and junk

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: is yours USB?

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mzb_d800:

# tail -F /var/log/messages

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n0_0n3:

how many entries total do you have? no -serial

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mzb_d800:

and then plug/unplug the receiver

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mzb_d800:

right ... well it won't be in /proc/bus/input/devices

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squish102:

ok, im going to uninstall, except it takes out half my mythbuntu due to dependancies :( but here goes

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: have you done setserial for the com port?

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mzb_d800:

squish102: in that case, just move the config files elsewhere

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n0_0n3:

a serial receiver shows up where?

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mzb_d800:

and do something like:

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mzb_d800:

# apt-get install --reinstall lirc

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mzb_d800:

(or similar)

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: answer the question :)

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mzb_d800:

eg: in /etc/rc.local you probably need to add something like:

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mzb_d800:

setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none

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n0_0n3:

i started out going down the ttys0 road and didn't get anywhere – did the setserial – then saw docs about input event in 8.04

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mzb_d800:

then you're not reading the right docs, or not understanding what you're reading

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mzb_d800:

it's a serial device

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n0_0n3:

so only usb is input event?

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squish102:

mzb_d800 do u know all the configuration files? i know of /etc/lircd.conf and /etc/lirc/* what about ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc ?

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n0_0n3:

is this only for USB? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallLirc/Hardy

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mzb_d800:

$ mkdir ~/20080804_lircd_conf_bak && sudo mv /etc/lirc* ~/.lirc* ~/20080804_lircd_conf_bak

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squish102:

thanks mzb_d800

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: the point is that it's not for SERIAL ! ;)

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mzb_d800:

(barely mentions it)

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n0_0n3:

ok – so I need to follow the traditional guide

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mzb_d800:

so trust me ... dust off your Google skills and search for "lirc setserial howto" (or similar)

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n0_0n3:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install

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n0_0n3:

can i use this guide?

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wagnerrp:

i just had to inform a recently married friend about the 'WAF'

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squish102:

after being a closet mythtv user, i am going to give up out cable DVR. it will be a BIG test of WAF

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Shadow__X:

whats the lightest theme to run

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wagnerrp:

mepo

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n0_0n3:

what is WAF?

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Shadow__X:

ah alright thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

WAF = wife acceptability factor

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n0_0n3:

good one

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: actually, mepo is about the most bloated theme there is

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wagnerrp:

more animations means more memory

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wagnerrp:

anyway, he was going to watch some 44 hours of some show over the next week to get caught up

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Shadow__X:

lol well i only have to option for some reason i just installed a front on and a xubuntu install and it only gave me 2 options

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wagnerrp:

didnt understand what that might not be acceptable behavior

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: theres only a couple of themes packaged with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

theres a handful more in the mythtv-themes

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Shadow__X:

how do you get the rest wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

yet more within the repository

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Shadow__X:

ah to setup repo and install off of there>?

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wagnerrp:

and then you can just download and install others manually

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: that should get you started. Remember that the setserial command needs to be executed when the machine's started, so probably best to put in /etc/rc.local when you get it right.

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wagnerrp:

well at least on gentoo, there is an actual mythtv-themes package

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wagnerrp:

that may be different with other distros

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wagnerrp:

but within the svn tree, there is a myththemes and a themes folder

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wagnerrp:

theres links to a handful more on the wiki

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n0_0n3:

Error! DKMS tree already contains: lirc-0.8.3~pre1

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n0_0n3:

mzb, ever see that error?

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mzb_d800:

nope

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n0_0n3:

it's the result of dpkg-reconfigure lirc-modules-source

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Steven_M:

hi all

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Shadow__X:

my front end doesnt want to see my backend

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Shadow__X:

:(

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: your eyes don't want to look at your bum? :)

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Steven_M:

hehe

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Shadow__X:

Steven_M, can you look at your bum without a mirror?

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: just joking

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Steven_M:

haha

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: are you sure your backend is running?

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Shadow__X:

yup

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Shadow__X:

mythweb works

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Shadow__X:

and the frontend/backend setup works this is another frontend i am throwing on

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: are you sure your mysql is running?

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Shadow__X:

yup

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Steven_M:

firewall issues?

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Shadow__X:

intranet

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Steven_M:

with no firewalls on any machine?

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Shadow__X:

i have hardware firewall

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Steven_M:

I'm a newbie so I'm just guessing

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: maybe you're using the wrong ports?

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Shadow__X:

i checked that

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, any ideas

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: sorry I'm not much help

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Shadow__X:

lol its alright Steven_M how many setups have you done

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Steven_M:

the version of mythtv that I'm running displays some field headings overlapping field contents. For example, in mythvideo the heading Directed by overlaps the name of the director. Do all versions of mythtv do this?

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mzb_d800:

Shadow__X: "-v all" and watch the error(s) ?

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: only one partial test setup :-)

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Shadow__X:

ah

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: In the version of mythtv that I'm running displays some field headings overlapping field contents. For example, in mythvideo the heading Directed by overlaps the name of the director. Do all versions of mythtv do this?

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Shadow__X:

not mine

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Shadow__X:

:D

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Shadow__X:

mzb_d800, i am getting db issues it wont let me log in

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: What version do you run?

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mzb_d800:

using the mythtv user?

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Shadow__X:

.21

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Shadow__X:

its running under another user

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Shadow__X:

but it added me

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mzb_d800:

ensure that the ${mythtv} user on THAT host has permissions for the database

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mzb_d800:

$ mysql -h ${mbe} -p -e "SELECT * FROM CHANNEL;"

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mzb_d800:

(or similar)

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mzb_d800:

where mbe=master backend (or more specifically, the host that mysql is running on)

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mzb_d800:

make *sure* that you are using the USER that mythtv-frontend is running as

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Steven_M:

Shadow__X: thanks

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Steven_M:

bye all

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Shadow__X:

the user i am using on the machine that is a front end is just a regular username

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: still not working?

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Shadow__X:

i think i may have gotten it stupid fonts

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wagnerrp:

i mean the mysql thing

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Shadow__X:

why would i have to do what mzb_d800 said if the front end is access the db from username mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mysql usernames and posix usernames are completely independent

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wagnerrp:

any posix account can access any mysql account

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wagnerrp:

anyway, you said you couldnt connect to the sql server

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wagnerrp:

you would run that command to try to manually connect

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Dagmar:

In short: "MySQL has it's _own_ list of usernames and passwords, separate from the system accounts."

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Shadow__X:

thats what the fe was saying now its saying it cant connect to the backend

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wagnerrp:

if you cannot manually connect, mysql obviously could not connect

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Shadow__X:

Dagmar, yeah i have worked with sql before

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wagnerrp:

err..the frontend could not

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mzb_d800:

I think you'll find that the username that the frontend uses for mythtv access is that of the user that runs it

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wagnerrp:

mzb_d800: absolutely not

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mzb_d800:

(if that wasn't obvious from my previous suggestion)

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mzb_d800:

no?

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wagnerrp:

the username that the frontend uses is the one given to it by the config file

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mzb_d800:

ah

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mzb_d800:

which by default is probably the user that runs it?

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wagnerrp:

the defaults are mythtv/mythtv/mythconverg

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mzb_d800:

DBUserName

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wagnerrp:

but those defaults are the same, regardless of what local username youre running as

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mzb_d800:

(either way)

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mzb_d800:

ok

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wagnerrp:

now the command 'mysql' defaults to using the local username

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, its saying it cant connect to the backend but i know its working because mythweb is wokring

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wagnerrp:

does mythweb run on the same machine as the frontend?

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Shadow__X:

no i have one comp thats a fe/be and then i am trying to get this fe to work

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Shadow__X:

this fe which is a laptop can axx mythweb but mythtvfe says that it cant

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wagnerrp:

the frontend will not connect, but the backend will?

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wagnerrp:

oh, so this is in fact a different machine than the one running mythweb

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Shadow__X:

right

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Shadow__X:

one machine is running a fe and a be at the same time and this is a whole other machine that i want to run as a fe as weel

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wagnerrp:

when you set up the initial permissions, did you blanket allow that username/password? did you only allow on that host? did you only allow localhost?

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Shadow__X:

i installed it from mythbuntu and in the control center i selected enable mysql for remote connections before i attempted to connect with the laptop

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wagnerrp:

could you manually connect? 'mysql -h <sql server> -umythtv -pmythtv'

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Shadow__X:

access denied

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Shadow__X:

so i guess i have to reboot the backend for the option to take effect>

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Shadow__X:

?

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wagnerrp:

no, thats a good sign

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wagnerrp:

it means you can connect, you just dont have permissions

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Shadow__X:

nvm i got it to work i connected

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Dagmar:

You *sure* you've worked with MySQL before?

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wagnerrp:

you likely only set up permissions for that host, or 'localhost'

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wagnerrp:

so you can connect manually now?

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Shadow__X:

yea

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wagnerrp:

the frontend still cannot connect?

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Shadow__X:

i will try again

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wagnerrp:

if not, copy the '~/.mythtv/config.xml' and '~/.mythtv/mysql.txt' from the functional frontend, to this one

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wagnerrp:

thats both files, new format and old

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n0_0n3:

mzb_d800, are you still around?

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mzb_d800:

;)

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n0_0n3:

i tried going the serial route – ifw returns no info

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n0_0n3:

it runs, but no data shown

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mzb_d800:

I'll ask for the 3rd time ... have you done setserial on the (right) serial port?

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n0_0n3:

yes

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n0_0n3:

i put it rc.local

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Shadow__X:

ok wagnerrp i replaced them

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\malex\:

i just compiled the latest svn version of mythtv, and when i switch channels in livetv mode the picture gets shifted to the right about 10%, with that right 10% getting shifted off the screen and onto the left side of the screen. this only happens when i enter a channel number, not when i use channel up/down. i'm using go7007 for tv input with mpeg4 encoding. any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

does the frontend work now?

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: and then you've started lircd?

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n0_0n3:

correct

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mzb_d800:

$ ps ax | grep lirc

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mzb_d800:

you should have something like: lircd --driver=default --device=/dev/lirc0 /etc/lirc/lircd.conf

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\malex\:

wagnerrp: me? the frontend works well otherwise

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wagnerrp:

no, Shadow__X

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n0_0n3:

lircd -n -d /dev/lirc0

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n0_0n3:

lircd: lircd(serial) ready

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\malex\:

ah sorry

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wagnerrp:

latest svn... as in latest trunk?

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Shadow__X:

i think i know i issue

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\malex\:

wagnerrp: yes, i just checked out the trunk, rev 18042

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Shadow__X:

and if i am right pretty stupid on my behalf

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7642/

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: have you attempted to do irrecord for your remote yet?

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squish102:

when i start lircd up i get 'config file contains no valid remote control definition', any idea what i am doing wrong?

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n0_0n3:

mzb_d800: i have a file provided from a friend with the same remote and IR receiver

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mzb_d800:

what happens when you run irw?

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squish102:

n0_0n3 what version of ubuntu are you on?

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n0_0n3:

8.04

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n0_0n3:

irw waits for input, but none is displayed

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squish102:

me too, and after googling, i have found lots of people with problems, especially after upgrading

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mzb_d800:

n0_0n3: which might suggest that your codes are not right ... make your own with irrecord

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n0_0n3:

should it show something?

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squish102:

haha n0_0n3, u are where i am stuck now

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp, it still says cannot see backend

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wagnerrp:

cannot connect to the sql server? or cannot connect to the backend

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Shadow__X:

backend

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Shadow__X:

i already connected to the sql server manually remember

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wagnerrp:

you backend is either firewalled, or more likely it is set up to listen on localhost

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Shadow__X:

alright its not firewaled to then localhost

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wagnerrp:

check in mythtv-setup, should be the first page of the first option

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Shadow__X:

k

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n0_0n3:

mzb_d800: how can i see raw data from the remote to make sure it is getting something? how do I use mode2?

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Shadow__X:

yup wagnerrp it was that

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Shadow__X:

thanks man it was something really stupid and easily over looked

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n0_0n3:

sorry – got disconnected...

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n0_0n3:

how does the mode command work? should that provide any data received?

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Shadow__X:

i am having issue with my program guide that it skips channels 103 to 123

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Shadow__X:

any ideas

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wagnerrp:

those channels dont exist?

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Shadow__X:

they do in mythweb and when it records and when i watch livetv

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wagnerrp:

thats odd

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Shadow__X:

that it is

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n0_0n3:

mzb_d800: are you still around?

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mzb_d800:

yes, read the docs at lirc.org until you understand

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mzb_d800:

sorry, on a deadline

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n0_0n3:

mzb_d800: one last question – Thanks for all your help — do you recommend I try the tarball or stick with the ubuntu package?

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mzb_d800:

stick with ubuntu ... it will make life easier in the long run

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n0_0n3:

thanks

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Shadow__X:

hmm front end on wireless isnt the best

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

sd is atleast "playable" on this 600 mhz laptop on wireless

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Shadow__X:

also whats up with p3's running rediculously hot before the fan kicks in and i havnt found a acpi overide

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Shadow__X:

:(

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Shadow__X:

and wagnerrp what makes even less sense is that i can look up those channels info if i goto listings per channel

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Shadow__X:

brb reboot

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: thats really before there was smart control over that sort of thing. it was all custom stuff for laptops. you may be able to find some setting in your BIOS.

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Shadow__X:

hmm i have looked but i could look again

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Shadow__X:

its just interesting that this laptop just runs increadible hot and it runs fine

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Shadow__X:

you know about getting drivers for ati mobility rage agp 2x>?

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Shadow__X:

lol

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wagnerrp:

yeah, from your manufacturer

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wagnerrp:

back then, all that stuff was custom

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wagnerrp:

they didnt make general use drivers

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Shadow__X:

oh

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

i didnt know that thanks wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

the Xorg rage128 driver is pretty good, but i dont know about the older rage

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wagnerrp:

well even if they could release general purpose drivers, ati never did

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wagnerrp:

i always had to go to IBM for updates

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Shadow__X:

ah this is a hp laptop

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Shadow__X:

maybe they made a driver

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wagnerrp:

hp may have, but ati never made one available

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Shadow__X:

we can pretend hp hasnt revoked peoples warranty because they installed linux

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wagnerrp:

we can also pretend something with a rage M1 actually has a warranty remaining

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Shadow__X:

oh yeah i have atleast a year left

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Shadow__X:

;)

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Shadow__X:

you gotta bug them for the REAL extended warranty

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wagnerrp:

seriously? my 6yr warranty ran out about a year and a half ago

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Shadow__X:

lol

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Shadow__X:

mhm

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wagnerrp:

it was my main computer for school, so i just kept extending it

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Shadow__X:

yeah but this laptop is 12 inches

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Shadow__X:

heh

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wagnerrp:

i think i spent like $600 on warranty total, but it was a $4K laptop at the time

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Shadow__X:

and i couldnt extend the warranty i got it for free

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Shadow__X:

yeah for that its worth it

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Shadow__X:

clevo>

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Shadow__X:

?

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wagnerrp:

i got... replacement floppy, 2x replacement CDRW, 2x replacement HDD, 3x replacement battery, replacement video, replacement mobo, repaired case

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wagnerrp:

i use to run that thing hard

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Shadow__X:

seems like it what processor and vid

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ash__:

hi

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ash__:

i don't really have a question

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ash__:

just need some advice

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ash__:

anyone around?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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ash__:

i currently have a vista ultimate box that i hate

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ash__:

i got a distro of mythbuntu and plan on replacing it

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ash__:

i have 2 500gb drivesin the htpc

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ash__:

one has a partition for vista

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ash__:

and then a larger partition for storage

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ash__:

and then the 2nd drive is just one partition for storage of media as well

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ash__:

all ntfs

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ash__:

would i be better off trying to move everything over to a ext3 file system

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ash__:

or just making the windows partition ext3 and mount the other partitions

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wagnerrp:

well newer linux drivers have writable support for ntfs

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if i would ever trust such drivers

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ash__:

i don't necessarily have to write to the partitions

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ash__:

just read from them

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wagnerrp:

well you cant harm anything from reading it

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ash__:

how safe is the custom installer is respect that i'm not going to overwrite those paritions?

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ash__:

when installing.

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wagnerrp:

of course... if youre not going to be writing to it, that means youre not going to use a tuner card?

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ash__:

nope

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wagnerrp:

then mythtv probably isnt for you

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ash__:

i just watch videos and play mp3s

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wagnerrp:

everything about mythtv is centered around the tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

video, music, pictures, and the like are just patched in bonuses

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ash__:

i dont' even have a tuner card

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wagnerrp:

right, so mythtv probably isnt the best choice

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ash__:

i see

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ash__:

well i want to be able to use my remote

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ash__:

but i'm so sick of windows bs

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wagnerrp:

LIRC will let you control any linux app that accepts keyboard commands

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wagnerrp:

and i would imagine any linux HTPC app can be make to work very well with a remote

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ash__:

hmm

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ash__:

any recommends on a distro and htpc app?

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ash__:

you do have a good point

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ash__:

i would use myth tv to record

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ash__:

but i have directv

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ash__:

and a hd dvr

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ash__:

good enough for me

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wagnerrp:

well with XBMC supported on standard machines now, that may be something to look into

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wagnerrp:

LinuxMCE

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wagnerrp:

freevo is centered around tv as well, so probably not a good choice

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wagnerrp:

i have a friend who runs elisa, but users in here have commented that it has port stability

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ash__:

i mainly watch x264 rips

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wagnerrp:

any of those should have support for h.264 video, when compiled properly

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ash__:

hmm

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ash__:

linuxmce looks like it is a better option

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ash__:

thanks wagnerrp

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directhex:

linuxmce is a pluto distro. it's centered around home automation

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directhex:

with tv as a secondary goal

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directhex:

and movie files as a third goal

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ash__:

directhex what would you recommend?

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directhex:

xbmc is good for static files

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directhex:

miles better than myth for it IMHO

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** sutula is trying to figure out how to transcode a whole bunch of recorded stuff to save space **

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sutula:

I recorded a bunch of kids things, NTSC, broadcast, not HD. I've tried using mytharchive to convert them to an SP DVD and they look and play fine. Does anyone have better recommendations on how to transcode them to save space, or should I copy what mytharchive was doing?

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sutula:

Sorry, not "SP DVD", but "EP DVD"

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cesman:

you are search the mailing list archive for scripts that transcode to xvid or another codec

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sutula:

cesman: OK...my problem is that I'm pretty illiterate about the different formats, frame rates, etc.

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sutula:

I'll eventually learn, but am looking for a "good enough" recommendation

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cesman:

again, search

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cesman:

if you search, you see discussion

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sutula:

OK...thanks

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cesman:

you're welcome

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k-man_:

hello

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k-man_:

why does it seem to take longer to verify a burnt dvd than to burn it?

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k-man_:

i mean, shouldn't reading be faster than writing??

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directhex:

k-man_, take a piece of paper, and without looking at it, write a letter

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directhex:

wuickly

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directhex:

quickly

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directhex:

then, afterwards, read it

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k-man_:

yes?

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k-man_:

and?

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justinh:

maybe to do the best verify it reads at a slow speed

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k-man_:

why not read at full speed and go back if there is an error

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justinh:

or maybe it's having to re-read parts of the disc because it was burnt too quickly :P

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k-man_:

yeah – that might be true

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wagnerrp:

ive often found my burners burn faster than they read, even if the read is not a verify pass

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justinh:

I wish I could say I can't remember the last time I burned a disc...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive got a 100 spindle of DVDs sitting on my desk

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wagnerrp:

but have recently decided im not going to bother with dvd backups

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k-man_:

i use them for backups

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justinh:

haven't burned a DVD for blimmin years though, save the occasional family video

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k-man_:

so i burn 3–6 dvds a week

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k-man_:

data – not movies that is

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wagnerrp:

any small amount of data, i dump on another drive, stick it on a flash drive, or store it at work

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wagnerrp:

any considerably large amount of data, dealing with DVDs just becomes a hassle

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k-man_:

well – i'm considering setting up some sort of differential backup between my work and home

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k-man_:

so its offsite

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wagnerrp:

by the time BDRs become cheap enough that i may consider using them, ill be able to pick up terabyte drives for $75 a pop

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k-man_:

yeah, i don't really understand why dvd media is so expensive

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k-man_:

i mean for DL and blue

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wagnerrp:

right now, BDRs are $10 for 25GB

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wagnerrp:

best hard drive prices at the moment are 1/3 that

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wagnerrp:

$100 for 750GB

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Steven_M:

how do get mythtv to get tv listings from a static xtml file saved on your harddisk?

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laga:

mythfilldatabase --file; see mythfilldatabase --help

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Steven_M:

laga thanks :)

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Steven_M:

laga: I don't no what source id to use with mythdatabase --file?

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Steven_M:

no== know

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^V^:

Hi, I would like my backend to shut down when not in use but I'm having problems getting it to work reliably. Sometimes it shuts down as expected after the timeout period. Other times it just sits there. Here is the log: http://codepad.org/PDyey29u There is a lot more nearly identical output later in the log which I've ommited to keep it short.

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^V^:

Anyone have any ideas why the backend doesn't seem to idle?

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mrsimon:

Hi, do I need to match the refresh rate of my monitor to the refresh rate of my broadcast (eg. 50hz for pal)?

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jblack:

Usually that's set up by your desktop. Check your system menu

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justinh:

if you're using TVout it'll be dictacted by the TV standard you specify in xorg.conf

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mrsimon:

Cheers, I'm editing my xorg.conf to change it and am using a vga out to a tft monitor

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directhex:

and if you're using VGA, then you won't be pushing 50Hz out

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justinh:

good luck getting an LCD monitor to work at 50Hz

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mrsimon:

so vga and a tft won't easily do 50?

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directhex:

s/easily/ever/

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mrsimon:

so my question is then, does that matter? will I get smooth movement putting pal (50hz) through a 60hz refresh rate

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justinh:

doubt it

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mrsimon:

so what's the best thing for us PAL folks to do?

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justinh:

but, apparently you can get video playback synced to the vertical refresh

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mrsimon:

using opengl or direct rendering?

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directhex:

honestly, it won't make that much difference

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directhex:

you think *any* lcd tv runs that refresh rate?

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directhex:

hell, lcd doesn't have a refresh rate in the conventional sense

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mrsimon:

right, I was starting to wonder!

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mrsimon:

thanks for you help guys

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mrsimon:

I had a lot of problems with a prevoius myth setup and 'panning' sports shots, tickers etc. not being smooth so I'm a little paranoid about it noe

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justinh:

deinterlacing helps ;)

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directhex:

if you can, use the gl painter & associated loveliness

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directhex:

if it doesn't break horribly, it looks lovely

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mrsimon:

ok cool :)

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justinh:

looks shite, with that fade

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justinh:

and looks no better, for the record

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directhex:

also, always enable anything that looks vsync related. in the 90s, disabling vsync was popular amongst pc gamers because it meant MOAR FRAMES. tearing, but MOAR FRAMES. as a result, people have an instinct still to disable it

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mrsimon:

in the end I solved it before with a vga to scart adapter and mode lines

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directhex:

sorry, i meant the gl renderer, not painter

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mzb_d800:

while I'm ruminating over mythtv and how great it is, I'm considering how to train a visitor to set recordings ... is there a nice way whereby I can set a FE|webpage|remote so that _I_ set all the defaults for that user and they just select the programme?

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mzb_d800:

[gday all;)]

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mrsimon:

gday :)

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justinh:

mzb_d800: if my wife can figure it out...

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justinh:

the regular pages, I mean ;)

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justinh:

I'm not saying she's thick but

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mzb_d800:

:) yeah ... but I'd like certain defaults ... like vistor (sister) recordings auto-expire before mine! ;))

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justinh:

hrm. could be more tricky

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mzb_d800:

the *ideal* situation would be that I give her a remote that *SHE* uses on any FE

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mzb_d800:

next best is just mythweb with her login

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mzb_d800:

(she's coming here for a rest, so I don't want to overload her ... she does not have an intelligence deficiency ;)

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justinh:

the mythweb route is probably the best way

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mzb_d800:

but there's no such thing as a login, right?

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mzb_d800:

in which case, I can't set defaults for a particular user

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justinh:

no but I think you could probably just set up a copy of yourexisting mythweb dir

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mzb_d800:

ah ... now that might be an idea ... good one!

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mzb_d800:

ie: /var/www/mythweb4sam

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justinh:

might need some editing to make it use a default recording/playback group for that instance though

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mzb_d800:

err

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

food for thought ... thanks justinh :)

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justinh:

AFAIK there's no other way to do what you're looking for. frontends don't set recording clues on a per-frontend basis.. don't think you have many options

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mzb_d800:

ah ... hang on

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mzb_d800:

"MythWeb

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mzb_d800:

now stores special session information for authenticated users so that you

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mzb_d800:

always get your own settings when logging in, no matter where you connect

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mzb_d800:

from.

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mzb_d800:

"

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mzb_d800:

solves that problem

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mzb_d800:

just need to enable auth, I guess

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justinh:

oh yeah you'd just need to set up a login for her

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justinh:

I forgot about that – but then maybe you'll not get the default recording rules with that

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mzb_d800:

[grep -i user /var/www/mythweb/*]

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... still a good start

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mzb_d800:

thanks for pointer

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mzb_d800:

might make it easier for the g/f's settings too ;)

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justinh:

cool :)

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mzb_d800:

next thing is too wire up ~50V to the remotes so that sister's son (1.5yo) doesn't take off with it ;)

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justinh:

finally got around to remapping my remote so I no longer have 2 ffw & 2 rew buttons yesterday. now we can skip+ & skip- :)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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justinh:

wow! how many frontends have I got settings stored for? I only have one now. lol

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justinh:

time for some housekeeping

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mzb_d800:

got a problem with my loungetv receiver I can't be bothered fixing .... D-shell is stuck to shelf with (stale) double-sided tape and keeps falling down ... I also get the impression that there's a cracked wire (or dry joint) somewhere ... and when it drops off the sticky the receiver stops working ... real pain

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mzb_d800:

I guess fresh tape would solve the problem ;)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

ah well ... another day

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justinh:

my IR receiver is just on verboard stuck under the TV shelf with blu-tac

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justinh:

*veroboard

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justinh:

really have to look to see it

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mzb_d800:

yep ... used the same stuff, but stuck it in a D25 shell

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mzb_d800:

managed to buy an EPIA V8000 and a GA-PCV2 (1GHz) for $35 dollars ea recently ... so might end up replacing the FE once I get a PCI nvidia card (cheap)

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mzb_d800:

(GA-PCV2 has no tv-out, and V8000 has no mpeg2-accel)

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directhex:

why did yhou buy an epia, you ponce?

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mzb_d800:

for an asterisk box

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mzb_d800:

but he sent me the GA-PCV2 by mistake

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mzb_d800:

so when I mentioned to him he'd sent me the wrong one he offered me his spare V8000 for the same prive

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mzb_d800:

s/price

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mzb_d800:

seems cheap enough ... and I can always do something with a machine that size ;)

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mzb_d800:

didn't even think of making a mythFE out of it initially

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mzb_d800:

but this GA-PCV2 is pretty neat ... 1GHz, DDR, USB2, etc

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mzb_d800:

massively overpowered for an asterisk box ;)) (considering it replaces a P2–350;)

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mzb_d800:

but the idea is low power ... as it's running off a UPS and has ... err ... other methods of contacting me, even if the power goes out (ie: burglar switches it off;)

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justinh:

the UPS probably sucks as much as the via system by itself ;)

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mzb_d800:

:)

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justinh:

as much _power_ I mean

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mzb_d800:

yeah <20W on full load

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Steven_M:

hi all

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mzb_d800:

(and that with a hard disk, 4 USB devices, DOM ...etc)

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mzb_d800:

s/that's

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justinh:

my FE is about 45W max from the mains which isn't bad

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mzb_d800:

sounds pretty good

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laga:

my backend is like 70W and my frontend.. hum.. i don't really want to know

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justinh:

considering the virgin media cable box is a constant 25W :(

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justinh:

planning to replace the 3 HDDs in my backend with just one 1TB model, but then I'll need a SATA card for it

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Steven_M:

how do I get mythtv to get tv listings from a script instead of it's usual grabbers?

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directhex:

Steven_M, with difficulty. write a xmltv-compliant grabber.

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justinh:

funny i thought I saw somebody say mythfilldatabase --file earlier

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laga:

difficulty?

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laga:

cron and mythfilldatabase --file?

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laga:

you can even tell mythtv to run a custom script instead of mythfilldatabase

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directhex:

i'm sure he has a file in the right format

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laga:

writing xmltv grabbers is fun, but probably not necessary here ;)

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justinh:

as fun as making web page scrapers is!

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Steven_M:

laga: where's the setting to do that last option? I couldn't find it

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laga:

you don't have to scrape HTML

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laga:

Steven_M: in mythfrontend

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Steven_M:

lga: where exactly please :)

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justinh:

oh ffs

[09:53:11]

laga:

verschiedenes -> einstellungen ...

[09:53:18]

laga:

but i guess that's not going to help you :)

[09:53:27]

Steven_M:

lol

[09:53:45]

Steven_M:

very funny

[09:54:02]

Steven_M:

I'll have another look

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Steven_M:

justinh: sorry to offend you, i saw you write ffs

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justinh:

there aren't _that_ many settings, honestly

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laga:

Steven_M: don't worry, he's easily offended ;)

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justinh:

it won't take _forever_ to find something

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** laga runs for cover **

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justinh:

laga: you not banned me from the forum yet? get to it :)

[09:56:20]

laga:

justinh: i saw one posting where you had been helpful and that's it

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justinh:

just the one? must've been an off-day

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justinh:

nah I took to only answering worthy questions. greatly reduces the reply count, that

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laga:

i usually don't visit the forums anymore. just to check if everything's okay

[09:57:52]

laga:

i had to delete lots of spam the other day :(

[09:59:19]

justinh:

how's ludo these days btw? not seen him on irc for ages

[10:00:02]

laga:

he's still alive. he took care of some spam, too. but the moderator's lounge has been dead since last year, pretty much

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laga:

woot! looks like i can get anixe hd over DVB-C

[10:01:55]

** laga fires up scan **

[10:03:34]

Steven_M:

fuck my foot is sore

[10:04:14]

Steven_M:

just have to get that off my chest

[10:04:36]

laga:

getting your foot off your chest? yeah, that might help

[10:04:48]

Steven_M:

lol

[10:06:10]

justinh:

I'm like a bear with a sore body today. fcking Wii.

[10:06:27]

directhex:

you dind't play wii boxing did you?

[10:06:48]

sid3windr:

=)

[10:06:55]

justinh:

I did. I can see the novelty lasting all of another week

[10:07:05]

directhex:

if you don't want to die horribly, avoid wii boxing

[10:07:08]

justinh:

so I'm not bothering to buy a scart switch

[10:07:10]

directhex:

and yes, the novelty is shortlive

[10:07:13]

directhex:

d

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justinh:

glad it wasn't any of my money :D

[10:07:42]

laga:

i can't believe wii boxing makes you sore?

[10:07:53]

justinh:

deceptively so

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directhex:

laga, wii boxing makes you ache horribly

[10:08:08]

justinh:

we can't ****ing believe it either!

[10:08:17]

justinh:

it's a computer game!

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directhex:

dance dance revolution is tiring, but doesn't make you ache like wii boxing

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** sid3windr does guitar hero **

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sid3windr:

no aches!

[10:13:35]

sid3windr:

;)

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directhex:

GH is hard though

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Steven_M:

I was trying to test inputing program data before getting my tuner card, but you can't do it, so I'll just have to learn when I get the card

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Steven_M:

program guide data that is

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Steven_M:

I can't wait for my new computer

[10:18:17]

Steven_M:

to get get here

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justinh:

how hard is it to just run mythfilldatabase though?

[10:18:49]

justinh:

where in the world do you have to live for there to be no xmltv grabber for your area?

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Steven_M:

justinh: new zealand :)

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justinh:

ah. emigrate to civilisation then! :P

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laga:

boohoo. no anixe hd for me. unless scan is fooling me

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Steven_M:

justinh: there are some good things about NZ though

[10:21:35]

justinh:

Steven_M: yeah I know. No stupid warmongering foreign policy, no stupid laws against freedom (yet).. yada yada

[10:22:51]

justinh:

and having more sheep than people can't be a bad thing. I don't think a sheep has ever been convicted of shooting or stabbing anybody

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Steven_M:

justinh: hehe yeah :)

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Steven_M:

justinh: do you live in the U.S?

[10:24:34]

justinh:

almost

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justinh:

UK

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justinh:

well I say live. exist

[10:25:27]

Steven_M:

justinh: UK's not so bad

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Steven_M:

I've only got 2 not more questions about myth?

[10:27:19]

Steven_M:

? == .

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justinh:

it got a lot better when Manchester had electricity & running water installed last year :)

[10:28:44]

Steven_M:

justinh: lol

[10:32:01]

Steven_M:

n the version of mythtv that I'm running displays some field headings overlapping field contents. For example, in mythvideo the heading Directed by overlaps the name of the director. Does anyone else that minor glitch?

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justinh:

Steven_M: bad theme design, or you don't have the right fonts installed, or your X isn't running at 100 DPI... loads of factors there

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Steven_M:

justinh: oh ok, no biggie :)

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justinh:

anyway, isn't there a tv_grab_nz knocking about somewhere?

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justinh:

sure I've seen one

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Steven_M:

justinh: It's a third party script I think. I'll use it with mythfiledatabase --file when I get mythtv card

[10:49:29]

Steven_M:

I mean when I get my card

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Steven_M:

like you said changing the theme fixed the overlapping problem :)

[10:52:37]

justinh:

could still be a case of missing font(s)

[10:52:45]

justinh:

which theme?

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directhex:

why 100?

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directhex:

that's something i've always wondered. which screens actually run 100dpi? 96 is common for lcd monitors, but 100?

[10:55:07]

Steven_M:

blue theme was overlapping, gant was fine

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Steven_M:

@ justinh

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justinh:

don't ask me directhex

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EvilGuru:

directhex: resolution: 99x98 dots per inch for a 20" 1600x1200

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justinh:

'just because' would be the best I could come up with

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Steven_M:

my new computer will have an intel dual-core would that be fast enough to watch live tv?

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EvilGuru:

Steven_M: My new girl friend will be a double D-cup, will that be enough to satisfy me?

[11:02:20]

EvilGuru:

It really does depend on what you want to watch, a 1Ghz PIII will play back SDTV with minimal de-interlacing

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laga:

enough to keep your ears warm

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Steven_M:

EvilGuru: lucky you :-)

[11:04:05]

Steven_M:

EvilGuru: mainly SDTV 1 hour tv shows

[11:04:28]

EvilGuru:

It should handle it fine, HDTV is a different beast entirely

[11:07:50]

Steven_M:

EvilGuru: unfortunately SDTV will be a thing of the past soon

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EvilGuru:

Here (in the UK) I can not see SDTV going away in the next few years

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Dagmar:

Meditative question for the day: Why don't we have http://ttsiodras.googlepages.com/rsbep.html -like Reed-Solomon encoding going on in our normal filesystems with say, LVM?

[11:12:25]

Steven_M:

EvilGuru: the nz govt is going to shutdown all analogue tv in 2 or 3 years :(

[11:12:38]

directhex:

digital != HD

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EvilGuru:

Digital TV is not all HDTV

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directhex:

digital is good

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Steven_M:

oh, I didn't know not all digital is hd

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Honk:

dagar: cuz bit errors in harddrives are not common enough to sacrifice all that cpu time ;P

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Steven_M:

does SDTV look a bit grainy on a LCD screen, or does it look just as good old fashioned CRT TV?

[11:19:19]

directhex:

it may look blurry, and/or you may notice macroblocking

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directhex:

personally, it's fine

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Steven_M:

directhex: but not snowy?

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justinh:

it usually doesn't look as good as it does on a CRT

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directhex:

you can't get snow from digital tv, unless the snow was added to the source video, and is high enough bitrate to include it

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Steven_M:

ok

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Steven_M:

:)

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justinh:

and yes, flat panels are much less forgiving than CRT w.r.t. picture artifacts – presumably because the difference between similar colours/luminances is actually visible ;)

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justinh:

fullscreen youtube still looks gash on a CRT though

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Steven_M:

justinh: I'll just have to wait and see, hopefully it won't bother me

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justinh:

some panels are better than others at disguising mpeg blocking / deinterlacing / etc

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justinh:

generally the more you pay, the better DSP you get

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justinh:

though not always the case ;)

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Steven_M:

yeah, I hope I've ordered the right screen

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Steven_M:

goodnight :)

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Clint`:

hello mythtv ppol

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justinh:

well, there's a first. a human being who sounds like an automated voice on Dell's delivery service phoneline

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Clint`:

lol

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directhex:

technically, you haven't applied the turing test, and have no evidence of humanity

[11:52:31]

directhex:

technically.

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Clint`:

yes im human

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Clint`:

see i REPLYED to what you said

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Clint`:

no bot here :)

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directhex:

not to shit on your chips or anything

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justinh:

first sign of a bot, that.. saying you're not a bot

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Clint`:

lol

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Clint`:

IM NOT A BOT DARNIT

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directhex:

You are being a bit negative.

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directhex:

I see.

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laga:

are you saying 'no' just to be negative?

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Clint`:

hmm

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Clint`:

can someone help me i'm trying to build a mythtv box

[11:58:56]

Clint`:

but i need advise on hardware

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Clint`:

:(

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Clint`:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1027260

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Clint`:

i wrote my situation here

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** directhex gives laga a "in on the joke" cake **

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directhex:

Clint`, wintv nova-t.

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directhex:

Clint`, and a microsoft mce remote.

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laga:

Clint`: mythtv doesn't play bluray disks

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justinh:

nothing in linux does

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directhex:

that too. it'll play bluray rips, but not direct from discs

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justinh:

* CPU power pending, of course

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Clint`:

thanks for the advise

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Clint`:

i'll google the wintv nova-t directhex

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Clint`:

laga, can it rip blueray media?

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directhex:

the only useful tool for that is anydvd hd for windows

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directhex:

read the wiki page on blu-ray

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Clint`:

ok thanks for the advice, i'll look up the wintv nova-t card before i look into the blue ray situation :P

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Clint`:

is it the wintv nova-t 500 card?

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directhex:

that would be the dual tuner version

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Clint`:

dual tuner, it only has one plug ? http://img.hexus.net/v2/lifestyle/news/hauppa . . . remote_c.jpg

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directhex:

correct.

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justinh:

yup

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Clint`:

but that means i cant plug my vcr in

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directhex:

erm... yes, it does. vcr? what?

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directhex:

you DO know mythtv is a PVR, yes?

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Clint`:

ive been seeing pvr alot

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Clint`:

*googles*

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justinh:

you can't use analogue devices with digital tuners anyway

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Clint`:

Personal Video Recorder

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justinh:

at least those which are *purely* digital

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justinh:

why would you want to plug your VCR in anyway?

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Clint`:

my mate said that windows MCE is just analog OR dig, he said mythtv you can have analog and digital at same time

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directhex:

yes, you can, with the appropriate tuner cards

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directhex:

but the question of "why" remains

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justinh:

if you want to convert old home movies to a digital format, then you wouldn't use the RF connection anyway

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Clint`:

i have old tapes ok :P

[12:15:08]

justinh:

or indeed mythtv

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directhex:

mythtv is a PVR. it has a program guide, you pick what to record, and it records

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directhex:

it's 100% wrong for archiving VHS

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Clint`:

i know but i have movies and stuff already on VHS

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justinh:

buy a DVD recorder for that ;)

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justinh:

cheap now, and dead easy to use

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justinh:

way less hassle than fecking around with a computer

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directhex:

mythtv is a terrible, terrible choice for archiving from vhs. i can;t make that clear enough

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Clint`:

ok thankyou\

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directhex:

any PVR app is

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directhex:

archiving from VHS is the complete antithesis of what a PVR is designed to do

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justinh:

and in any case, the RF (aerial/antenna) connection from the VCR is the LAST way you should consider using to transfer recordings for archival

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directhex:

unless you want sub-youtube image quality

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directhex:

though if you used VHS in the first place.....

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Clint`:

kk

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Clint`:

thanks for the advise, i wont plug my vcr in

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Clint`:

so im looking at a wintv nova-t 500

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justinh:

if you have a lot of commercial VHS it's probably more cost-effective (if you value your time) to buy them again on DVD

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Clint`:

what about the remote that comes with the wintv nova-t 500, just go buy a windows MCE remote anyway?

[12:18:58]

justinh:

DVDs are very cheap these days

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directhex:

either is an option. personally i don't have a remote right now

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Clint`:

thanks guys, sometimes direct conversation is the onlyway to make it clear, forums keep contrudicting each other

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justinh:

Clint`: mythtv doesn't make you choose between analogue & digital, MCE does – but most tuners which do both don't let you do both at the same time

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justinh:

all the VHS I've ever archived to digital formats went through a DV camcorder with analogue input. no dropped frames, no pissing around. captured as DV & stored as uncompressed DV format AVI, edited, cleaned up (as much as VHS can be cleaned up) & ultimately kept as DVD compliant mpeg2

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Clint`:

what about the remote that comes with the wintv nova-t 500, just go buy a windows MCE remote anyway?

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justinh:

not sure the nova-t 500's remote works with lirc yet, but remotes with tuner cards are seldom as nice as MCE remotes

[12:28:42]

Clint`:

i know i will have to configure lirc by what ive read, but i want the simplest solution

[12:28:49]

Clint`:

i dont mind spending more, for ease of configuration

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Clint`:

you recommend i go out and buy a wintv nova-t 500 card with a windows MCE remote?

[12:29:21]

Clint`:

then disgard the wintv nova-t remote?

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justinh:

btw, DO NOT BUY THE NOVA-TD500. The 'D' does not, and never will work on linux. EVER

[12:30:00]

justinh:

note – sellers often don't differentiate

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justinh:

and it was the driver developers who have said it'll never be supported in linux, FYI

[12:31:05]

justinh:

but Hauppauge will (apparently) happily exchange a TD-500 for a T-500

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justinh:

the 'D' version was only a limited run by all accounts so for all I know there might not be any knocking around these days

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jduggan:

what's the difference?

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justinh:

as for recommending anything, I never do

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justinh:

jduggan: the 'D' version has 2 aerial inputs & uses a different frontend chipset for which datasheets aren't forthcoming. allegedly

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justinh:

if you buy one & it has dual aerial inputs, take it back

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Clint`:

kk

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Clint`:

you recommend i go out and buy a wintv nova-t 500 card with a windows MCE remote?

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laga:

does the nova-t 500 work reasonably well these days? i seem to remember lots of trouble

[12:34:01]

justinh:

anyway, the standard hauppauge remotes aren't too bad, but the IR receiver in the nova-t500 might not yet be supported by lirc

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justinh:

laga: yeah

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justinh:

lirc is always a PITA to get working anyway – you're just lessening the degree of pain by getting something more widespread ;)

[12:35:00]

justinh:

so for an easy life I'd prolly err on the side of an MCE remote kit

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Clint`:

the IR reciever? does that mean i need to go out and buy another card to be an IR reciever?

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justinh:

no

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Clint`:

please explain

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justinh:

tuner cards generally have a socket into which you plug the cable from the IR receiving head

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Clint`:

will the nova-t 500 come with a IR recieving head?

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justinh:

the IR decoding/processing is done on the tuner card in those cases & it's that which lirc needs to support

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justinh:

yes

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Clint`:

that i can put ontop of my media center

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justinh:

if it comes with a remote it will

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justinh:

but, the MCE remote kit comes with a USB receiver & remote. the USB receiver is very well known already & well supported

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Clint`:

http://pan.fotovista.com/dev/2/5/00007952/g_00007952.jpg

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laga:

google might be able to tell you if the nova-t 500 remote is supported, by MCE remotes usually work well

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Clint`:

how come there is no plug on the rear of the card fo rthe recivever head

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justinh:

maybe it has a USB receiver

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laga:

i can see the plug

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laga:

tiny black thing

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laga:

at least that's what i think it is

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justinh:

oh yeah right near the bottom of the plate

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Clint`:

that it, serious?

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Clint`:

thanks so much for the advise guys, i have been writing all this info down like mad :P

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justinh:

standard 2.5mm socket if I'm not mistaken

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justinh:

if in doubt download the manual!

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justinh:

from the nova-t500 manual: "Connect the IR cable onto the back of the board."

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justinh:

badabing

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Clint`:

yay

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justinh:

oh look! http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppaug . . . va-T_500_PCI

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justinh:

!trout Clint` RTFW

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** MythLogBot slaps Clint` with a RTFW trout on behalf of justinh... **

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Clint`:

but if i plan to use windows MCE IR, i need a case with frontside USB to plug in the reciever ay

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justinh:

no you don't

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justinh:

the receiver is a wedge-ish shaped box with like 1m of USB cable

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Clint`:

justinh very nice

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Clint`:

man

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Clint`:

i learnt so much ay

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justinh:

the standard IR receiver is about the size of a Rowntree's Fruit Pastille, with a thin cable coming out of it

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justinh:

DO NOT EAT IT! :D

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Clint`:

does it matter if its PAL or that other format?

[12:45:10]

Clint`:

i think australia uses PAL

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justinh:

with digital tuners, the format you get is the format they broadcast

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justinh:

buy it in the country in which you live & you'll be fine

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Clint`:

sweet

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Clint`:

1 more question

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Clint`:

mainboards..

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Clint`:

just get an intel desktop board?

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justinh:

get one which takes a CPU, RAM & has a number of PCI slots

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Clint`:

so it doesnt matter

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Clint`:

ay

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Clint`:

most linux distro's

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Clint`:

pick it all up anyway

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Clint`:

if its a common intel chipset

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Clint`:

i also read of a website, that mythtv works well with an nvidia chipset

[12:47:52]

Clint`:

should i get a pci-e graphics card for it?

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justinh:

always good to have a graphics card, since headless frontends don't work so well

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Clint`:

kk

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Clint`:

thanks for your help justin

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Clint`:

im going to purchase all the hardware this weekend, and begin setting it up

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Clint`:

would you like me to send you an email with how i went :)

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** justinh runs away **

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sid3windr:

lol

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Clint`:

mmm

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Clint`:

well im out

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Clint`:

cya guys i need some sleep

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Clint`:

its getting late over here

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Clint`:

in the world down under

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justinh:

where women glow & men chunder? :P

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laga:

gee. i need to watch mad max again

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justinh:

no you don't ;)

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justinh:

if the current day soothsayers are right, we'll all be living the mad max life before too long anyway :D

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** EvilGuru wouldn't mind taking half of the users in here into the thunderdome **

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justinh:

only half?

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laga:

justinh: well, i gotta prepare then

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EvilGuru:

Gotta keep some for a rainy day

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justinh:

laga: stockpile petrol wherever you can ;)

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EvilGuru:

Befriend Tina Turner also

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justinh:

assuming she's still alive. touring is not proof of life

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** styelz stocks up on vegemite **

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EvilGuru:

Marmite FTW!

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styelz:

ew

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styelz:

i heard the oil price will come down soon, then go up again. but hey.. i think Arnold will be PM in 2012

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styelz:

hitler style

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kslate1:

here's a crazy question for you all – has anyone thought about a system for tracking signal strength for OTA encoders and adjusting priorities so that scheduled captures will go to the strongest available channel?

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justinh:

well you're right about it being crazy

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justinh:

why not just make sure your signal is good enough in the first place?

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justinh:

or is that a crazy idea too?

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cesman:

what if the "strongest available channel" doesn't have a program I want to record?

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kslater:

justinh – unfortunately, I get weakish signals for several networks.

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kslater:

it seems to vary from time to time, but I always seem to get one or the other in good enough quality to lock onto

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PatrickDK:

you need to rethink your antenna setup I think

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kslater:

cesman – this would only be for channels or slots where the recording is available on two channels

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PatrickDK:

if your using omni, I don't see how it would make any real difference, if you are using a good enough omni and coax

[14:34:02]

PatrickDK:

if you aren't, and using directionals

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kslater:

I'm using omni

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PatrickDK:

then you just assign channel priority to the tuners depending on the antenna they are connected to

[14:34:40]

PatrickDK:

the main issue with detecting signal levels is

[14:34:49]

PatrickDK:

you have to tune both cards to the channel to check it

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PatrickDK:

how long is the wire from the antenna to your tuners, and how many splitters is it going through? and what size coax?

[14:36:35]

kslater:

no, one card, channels coming from two different market areas, both providing the major networks

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kslater:

so I get two (or three) possible HD versions of NBC for example

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PatrickDK:

your not going be able to do it with one card easily, it would break a crapload of things to do that

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kslater:

one will invariably be better than the others.

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PatrickDK:

what your says is this

[14:37:46]

PatrickDK:

my antenna system sucks, and isn't good enough

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PatrickDK:

therefor it's affected by local weather patterns

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PatrickDK:

and probably also trees/leaves and buildings

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kslater:

exactly. and I could invest in a better antenna and *probably* pull in the channels from the more distant, but less blocked direction.

[14:39:18]

PatrickDK:

I wouldn't look at myth supporting this anytime soon, if ever

[14:39:34]

PatrickDK:

it would require alot of changes to a crapload of things

[14:39:45]

kslater:

RG-6 coax, about 60' long, good quality cable. 1 splitter / signal amp.

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PatrickDK:

signal amp at the bottom of the coax? or next to the antenna?

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kslater:

agreed, I'm not looking for myth to change. I'm thinking of adjusting priorities periodically.

[14:40:33]

kslater:

at the tail end of the coax.

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PatrickDK:

an amp mounted with the antenna will work 20times better

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PatrickDK:

hmm, your loosing about 4–5db on the coax, so better coax isn't going help really

[14:43:50]

PatrickDK:

better omni antenna, or amp at the antenna is your best options

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PatrickDK:

I wonder if your getting conflicting signals

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kslater:

I think I'll check into the better antenna in any case.

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PatrickDK:

same stations in two locations conficting with each other

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PatrickDK:

cause your using omni antenna

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kslater:

they generally try to avoid that from what I've read.

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PatrickDK:

ya, they *try*

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PatrickDK:

but there is only so much room to put stations on

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kslater:

that info should be in one of the tables, right? isn't the center channel freq captured during a channel scan?

[14:45:42]

PatrickDK:

and *they* are more concerned about the local people, instead of the people out away from town

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PatrickDK:

ya, it should be in there

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PatrickDK:

I would probably just look on a website

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PatrickDK:

and see if the channel number is listed more than once

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PatrickDK:

and if possible, for it to map them on a map so you can see

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kslater:

antennaweb does that I think

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Shadow__X:

hello everybody

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cesman:

hello

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Shadow__X:

hi

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joomla_user:

wassup

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cesman:

hello

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my2keh:

anyone know what PulseAudio is?

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cesman:

yes, it is an audio server

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cesman:

google for greater details

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sid3windr:

=)

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joez212:

hello

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Pryon:

ehlo

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joez212:

my mythdora pvr seems to be broken

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joez212:

its been working great for the last 3 weeks

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joez212:

i dont use the frontend

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joez212:

i do all the recordings/setup from the mythweb

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joez212:

woah

[15:30:56]

joez212:

wtf

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keith4:

what's "broken" about it?

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joez212:

i would click on upcoming recordings and it would be blank

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joez212:

i just restarted it

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joez212:

and its fine lol

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joez212:

altohugh i do notice that fillmymythdatabase has not been run in a 4 days

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joez212:

can i run it even when its recording tv?

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joez212:

i'm pretty sure its listed in the cron jobs

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joez212:

any ideas guys?

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cesman:

if might be running, but not filling

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cesman:

run it manually and see what happens

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justinh:

(as the user mythbackend normally runs as) ^^^

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cesman:

I don't know how it is set to run in MythDora

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cesman:

with KnoppMyth, the default is to run at the next suggested time

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joez212:

i'm doing that now

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justinh:

you could assume it'd be the 'mythtv' user but hey some people call crazy things logical in the linux world ;)

[15:37:43]

joez212:

yes the cron job runs at very specific times

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joez212:

the mythweb shows the last time it was run

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joez212:

and the next time

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joez212:

i think it says last ran july 31, next run aug 1st.. and told is the 5th?

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joez212:

sorry 4th

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justinh:

if you're in the US/Canada & use SchedulesDirect you should let mythbackend run mythfilldatabase

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justinh:

not some cron job ;)

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my2keh:

Yes, I knew it was an audio server heh

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joez212:

ok here is some dumb questions

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joez212:

i need the mythbackend working for the mythweb to record? right?

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joez212:

Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-08–04 11:38 and ended on 2008-08–04 11:38.

[15:41:59]

joez212:

Suggested next mythfilldatabase run: 2008-08–05 13:11.

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joez212:

so it worked

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joez212:

i guess i will need to check tomorrow to see if the stats get updated

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my2keh:

what do you do if your sound card isn't supported by ALSA?

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cesman:

my2keh: ahhh ok...

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my2keh:

i have a VT1708B but I don't think alsa supports it

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cesman:

you certainly won't get PulseAudio working w/o working sound

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cesman:

perhaps OSS

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my2keh:

so ALSA is the driver per say

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my2keh:

and PulseAudio is the 'player' ?

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directhex:

alsa is a driver framework

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directhex:

pulse is a layer on top of alsa

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my2keh:

oh ok

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justinh:

could we club together & PAY somebody to develop decent audio stuff for linux? seriously

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my2keh:

so I need alsa to work first before pulse

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cesman:

justinh: what is wrong w/ ALSA?!

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directhex:

justinh, erm, that would be what 4front technologies do

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justinh:

cesman: apart from configuring it? not much

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directhex:

justinh, the main problem is as soon as a stable, reliable driver api gets used by everything, some smartarse adds extra features via a daemon, and the mess goes to hell again

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cesman:

OSS is still a viable option!

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my2keh:

What can I do if ALSA doesn't support my sound card?

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justinh:

use OSS or get one ALSA supports

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justinh:

or write a driver

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directhex:

what doesn't alsa support, other than x-fi?

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my2keh:

VT1708B I don't see it in their sound card matrix

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wh0dat_:

should a 1080p blueray movie play okay with an intel 6300 core 2 duo 1.86gz

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justinh:

http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git-commits . . . 8/2/1/669974

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justinh:

wh0dat_: wouldn't bet my house on it

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my2keh:

unless that's not the actual sound card model or whatever

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justinh:

looks like vt1708 support is in the 2.6.25 kernel

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justinh:

took me 30 seconds to find that out

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my2keh:

but I don't see it here: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Vendor-VIA

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cesman:

my2keh: perhaps that hasn't been updated

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cesman:

my2keh: if support is in the kernel, then get the latest alsa-drivers, libs, etc and compile those

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cesman:

that should bring you up to date...

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my2keh:

oh ok...

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my2keh:

Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree...the Wiki I'm following it telling me to add an entry into modprobe.conf

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my2keh:

as such alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1

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my2keh:

and where emu10k1 is is the sound card name or something

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cesman:

my2keh: I'd grab the latest then just run alsaconf

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cesman:

that would be _my_ starting point

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my2keh:

ok i'll do that, and goto #alsa heh

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cesman:

then go to the wiki it problems persist and of course #alsa

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justinh:

well, I think most soundcards can operate in a basic mode as 'just a basic soundcard' so that might be why

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cesman:

:)

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justinh:

but then mythtv & most linux apps I know of can't make use of all the poncy DSP crap on modern soundcards anyway

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Shadow__X:

i

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Shadow__X:

hey MartinCleaver hows your hvr working

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MartinCleaver:

DVB is great

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MartinCleaver:

analog – am too busy to look!

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Shadow__X:

well have you gotten analog to work outside of mythtv that is where i am at

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MartinCleaver:

No, have you written up what you needed to do for that?

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Shadow__X:

what do you mean

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MartinCleaver:

What steps did you follow to get it working?

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wh0dat_:

justinh: yeah, it starts having issues with scenes with a lot of motion. if i play with -nosound, the video plays fine, if i do -framedrop, the audio plays fine, but i cant get both to play okay at once.

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Shadow__X:

use tvtime to watch tv on the raw analog tuner then you can watch that channel in myth on the mpegencoder it doesnt work for me in mythtv yet

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Shadow__X:

but it does work

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MartinCleaver:

How did you get tvtime to tune?

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Shadow__X:

tvtime just works

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Shadow__X:

i had to change the fequency to us-cable-hrc but thats for me

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MartinCleaver:

how did you do that?

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Shadow__X:

its in the menu right click and i believe its in channel management

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Shadow__X:

its not that hidden

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MartinCleaver:

ok

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Shadow__X:

did you try

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MartinCleaver:

Yup

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Shadow__X:

and

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MartinCleaver:

Just did

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MartinCleaver:

static

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Shadow__X:

change the channel i think thats just a setting on your behalf

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MartinCleave1:

any suggestions?

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Shadow__X:

make sure you have 2 cable connections hooked up

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Shadow__X:

yeah its one of your settings or something you have done

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Shadow__X:

mine works fine

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MartinCleave1:

2 connections?

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MartinCleave1:

I have one...

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Shadow__X:

yeah on the back of the card there is an analog connection and a digital connection

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MartinCleave1:

I'm plugged into the 3rd one down

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** MartinCleave1 moves the antenna **

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Shadow__X:

read the back one of them is for fm

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MartinCleave1:

top, if I recall

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Shadow__X:

i dont remember it says it on there

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MartinCleave1:

You are in the US?

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Shadow__X:

yups

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** MartinCleave1 is in Canada **

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MartinCleave1:

I can try the same settings

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MartinCleave1:

Are you on cable or on Antenna?

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Shadow__X:

so that doesnt matter us-cable make work for you

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Shadow__X:

i am on cable

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MartinCleave1:

Channel Management -> Freq table = Cable (not broadcast or Cable 100+)?

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Shadow__X:

no you would select air

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Shadow__X:

if you are tuning air

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Shadow__X:

i have cable

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Shadow__X:

but i you dont do you

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Shadow__X:

so you would select broadcast

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MartinCleave1:

ok. I selected Broadcast

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MartinCleave1:

any other setting?

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joez212:

is samba broke in the latest mythdora 5 dvd?

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Shadow__X:

not that i know of

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MartinCleave1:

Signal detection = on

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MartinCleave1:

static

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MartinCleave1:

every channel

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Shadow__X:

do channel scan

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MartinCleave1:

am

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joez212:

http://www.mythdora.com/?q=node/3750 <-- this is my thread.. still haven't resolved it

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Shadow__X:

make sure its plugged into the right port

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** MartinCleave1 eats **

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MartinCleave1:

ok will do

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MartinCleave1:

have to eat now

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MartinCleave1:

thanks!

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Shadow__X:

uhuh

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Shadow__X:

the middle one is for analog

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Shadow__X:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1800.html

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MartinCleave1:

y, its in that

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Shadow__X:

is there a way to make the fe auto use progressive scan

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MartinCleave1:

what's fe auto?

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joez212:

here is my smb.conf

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joez212:

http://pastebin.com/deb72c96

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PatrickDK:

no, not fe auto

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PatrickDK:

how about ge auto :)

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Shadow__X:

i was asking in general MartinCleave1 how to make mythtv front end use progressive scan automatically

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MartinCleave1:

sorry, I haven't used progressive scan in mythtv

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Shadow__X:

its ok

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Shadow__X:

i am glad i have got this machine to act as a small front end though

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Shadow__X:

600 mhz is enough to play back sd :D

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Shadow__X:

although the machine doesnt like it when you switch active programs

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Shadow__X:

when you use the search within mythtv it keeps what you searched for in the search box how do you clear it

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MartinCleave1:

I don't know...

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MartinCleave1:

ok I have to go

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MartinCleave1:

thanks Shadow__X

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Shadow__X:

yup see ya

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otwin:

joez212: whats the error message you get? did you create a samba user with smbpasswd?

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joez212:

otwin: yes

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joez212:

otwin: on the windows machine it keeps asking me for the username/password

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otwin:

joez212: set encryption to true in smb.conf

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joez212:

otwin: pretty sure i tried that already

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joez212:

but sure

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otwin:

joez212: and does the samba user have a equivalent unix user?

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joez212:

otwin:yes

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my2keh:

can anyone assist me with ALSA sound setup? I ran through the instructions; however I still can't get sound from a generic wave file

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poningru:

quick idiotic question

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poningru:

if I have analog cable signal

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poningru:

can I just capture that using any old ntsc capturing card?

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poningru:

there is a STB with it

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joez212:

otwin: restarting the smb service

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joez212:

trying again

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poningru:

but I would rather turn that off

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poningru:

than mess around with IR blasters etc.

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joez212:

otwin: i also try in dos using net use

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joez212:

no luck either :(

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joez212:

otwin: its really frustating!

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otwin:

joez212: on the samba server try 'smbclient //localhost/mythtv -U username'

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Shadow__X:

poningru, what are you trying to do

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joez212:

otwin: worked, asked for password, i entered the one it should be.. and i get the smb prompt

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joez212:

Domain=[KING-PC] OS=[Unix] Server=[Samba 3.0.28a-0.fc8]

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joez212:

interesting

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poningru:

Shadow__X, capture from cox cable

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poningru:

we have basic cable from cox

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Shadow__X:

alright

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poningru:

has no encryption or anything

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Shadow__X:

ok

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Shadow__X:

analog cant be encrypted

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poningru:

ah ic

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Shadow__X:

to afaik

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Shadow__X:

thats the issue with analog

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poningru:

ok

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Shadow__X:

but you should just hookup your analog tuner to your cable and everything you get on a regular tv you will get on the analog tuner

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poningru:

oh ok

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Shadow__X:

you can also try using a digital tuner and see what you get on there

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poningru:

then whats the need for a stb?

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poningru:

as in why does cox give away these stbs?

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otwin:

joez212: and try the same from the remote linux client

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Shadow__X:

depends you can try firewire on the stb or you can use a analog tuner or a cable to the capture devise

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otwin:

joez212: replacing localhost of course

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Shadow__X:

a stb will give you access to digital channels on a analog tv

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poningru:

oh weird

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Shadow__X:

how is that weird

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Shadow__X:

it also gives you access to on demand

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otwin:

joez212: ehh, or is the final goal to access this share from windows?

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Shadow__X:

i have comcast and i can record most channels through firewire but i have heard that is unlikely for many other people it all depends where you live and what serivce you have

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Shadow__X:

its worth a shot

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poningru:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

what did you want to do

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joez212:

otwin: ideally, i want it to work before i go trying other devices (i just tried my xbox, still doesn't work properly, i assume of the samba share being broken) so yes, lets get it working from the windows pc first

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otwin:

joez212: if it works from localhost then samba config should be fine.

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poningru:

Shadow__X, record without the stb

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otwin:

joez212: what does 'pgrep -l nmbd' on the server say?

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Shadow__X:

and if you just want to record what a tv gets without a stb then you can poningru go right ahead

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Shadow__X:

:D

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poningru:

I dont know I was just confused about the reason for a stb right now other than fancy menu system

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Shadow__X:

that access to digital channels

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poningru:

yeah I guess

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Shadow__X:

and on demand

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poningru:

yeah I guess that too

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joez212:

otwin: nothing found

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joez212:

otwin did u mean smbd?

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otwin:

joez212: no nmbd

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joez212:

[root@king-pc samba]# pgrep -l smbd

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joez212:

2991 smbd

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joez212:

2993 smbd

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Shadow__X:

do you have a analog tuner already poningru

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joez212:

otwin: well well, nmbd is not running :(

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otwin:

joez212: is there an init script for nmbd? like /etc/init.d/nmbd start

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joez212:

lemme check

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joez212:

i dont see a nmbd

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joez212:

but i do see a nmb

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joez212:

this same area has an entry for smb

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joez212:

looks like some kind of script

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otwin:

joez212: start it

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joez212:

nmb start?

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joez212:

or just nmb as root?

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otwin:

joez212: /etc/init.d/nmd start as root

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joez212:

ok

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otwin:

joez212: ehh nmb

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joez212:

Starting NMB services: [ OK ]

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joez212:

worked!

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otwin:

joez212: try connecting from remote

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joez212:

trying ..

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joez212:

still prompting me for login and password, entering the correct one in.. no go

[17:34:36]

joez212:

trying again

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joez212:

i must be doing something wrong

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joez212:

oh oh oh

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joez212:

i see it from my mac now!

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otwin:

joez212: may be time to reboot windows.

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joez212:

ok

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poningru:

Shadow__X, not yet

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joez212:

otwin: bbl

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Shadow__X:

alright well which one are you looking at you should get a mpeg encoder

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keith4:

wow. you're not big on punctuation, are you?

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poningru:

Shadow__X, dont really care as long as its below like 70USD and fits in either pci or pci-e

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Shadow__X:

well then i would try and get a hvr-1600

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Shadow__X:

that has analog and digital

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joez212:

otwin: still no go :(

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Shadow__X:

its a beta driver but it looks promising

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otwin:

joez212: what windows is that?

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joez212:

windows xp

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otwin:

joez212: encrypt passwords is still 'true'

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joez212:

i set it to yes in the smb.conf

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otwin:

joez212: ok – hmmm

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Shadow__X:

poningru, that way you can scan for digital channels and record analog

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Shadow__X:

or you can wait for a hvr-2250 which has 2 digital tuners and 2 analog tuners but thats 150 and i dont know if its supported yet

[17:47:18]

otwin:

joez212: and you can authenticate from a mac client? or do you just see the server/share?

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poningru:

hmm

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joez212:

otwin: not sure how to authenicate the share from the mac, but yes, when i browse the workgroup network, i see the mythtv computer name in the list! never seen that before! nmb must have done that trick

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poningru:

Shadow__X, and I can just turn off my stb and hook it directly to the cable source?

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otwin:

joez212: yes nmbd should be running along with smbd, that's why it's often started from the same init script.

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: security user or share? in smb.conf

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Shadow__X:

well to get all the analog channels mainly 2–98 you dont need the stb

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Shadow__X:

the same channels you would get woithout a stb on a regular tv

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Shadow__X:

for those channels you dont need the stb

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joez212:

noaxess- user i believe

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noaxess_kubuntu:

try share

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poningru:

ah hmm

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joez212:

http://pastebin.com/m23db2039 <-- this is my smb.conf

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poningru:

what about the guide though?

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poningru:

ztv or whoever doesnt offer it for free anymore do they?

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Shadow__X:

a digital tuner will either allow you to scan over the air atsc or clear digital qam which includes nbc cbs and all of those in hd

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poningru:

ah hmm

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Shadow__X:

no you have to pay for schedules direct

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poningru:

right

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joez212:

ok restart smb

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joez212:

gonna try to reconnect via PC

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Shadow__X:

you can use eit scan on a digital tuner to get broadcasted guide data but that isnt for all channels and isnt that far in advance

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Shadow__X:

to be honest which how much my box is doing i gladly pay 20 a year for schedules

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joez212:

no go :(

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poningru:

hm

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joez212:

guys i've been trying to figure this out for a while

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joez212:

here is my post on the forums

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\malex\:

i just compiled the latest svn version of mythtv, and when i switch channels in livetv mode the picture gets shifted to the right about 10%, with that right 10% getting shifted off the screen and onto the left side of the screen. this only happens when i enter a channel number, not when i use channel up/down. i'm using go7007 for tv input with mpeg4 encoding. any ideas?

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: need to check my configuration.. back in a few minutes..

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joez212:

http://www.mythdora.com/?q=node/3750

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Shadow__X:

mythtv is way better than tivo in my opinion so yeah i have no issue paying and its way better than the dvr the cable company tried to trhough at you

[17:56:05]

poningru:

thats true

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poningru:

and since its only 20 bucks for a year its not that big a deal

[17:56:38]

poningru:

but still it would be pretty awesome if we can just get the stuff that comes through the cox signal

[17:56:43]

joez212:

is it possible to use some kind of hack to get tv listings from other websites for free versus using schedulesdirect?

[17:57:28]

GreyFoxx:

joe: Yes but those break often, are a violation of the sites terms of use, and can be a more maintenance that you would expect

[17:57:46]

noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: i think you have add the user to smbpassword with the command smbpasswd..

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otwin:

joez212: what are the permissions of the share folder? ls -l /storage

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GreyFoxx:

and I don't know about you, but my time is worth more than the $0.05 a day to get listings :)

[17:58:05]

joez212:

noaxesS: did that that

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: with same password as the user in linux?

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joez212:

drwxrwxrwx 13 mythtv 1000 20480 2008-08–04 13:03 storage

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joez212:

noaxess: yes

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noaxess_kubuntu:

ok

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Shadow__X:

poningru, what stuff that comes through the cox signal

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joez212:

it makes no sense

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poningru:

Shadow__X, the eit stuff

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: is mythtv a user or a group?

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Shadow__X:

you can just not for all channels

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noaxess_kubuntu:

valid users = mythtv

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Shadow__X:

i mean they could tranmist more on cox then on comcast

[18:00:01]

Shadow__X:

the only way to know is to get a digital turner and see

[18:00:04]

joez212:

mythtv is a user

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otwin:

joez212: start tail /var/log/samba/log.smbd -f on the server and try reconnecting

[18:00:58]

noaxess_kubuntu:

koewhat about the logs, smb logs tail -f /var/log/samba/??? if you try to connect from the winxp machine?

[18:01:02]

joez212:

[2008/08/04 13:52:30, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_connect(69)

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joez212:

Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 – Connection refused

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joez212:

[2008/08/04 13:52:30, 0] printing/print_cups.c:cups_connect(69)

[18:01:03]

joez212:

Unable to connect to CUPS server localhost:631 – Connection refused

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joez212:

gonna try connecting again

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: thats another proble

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noaxess_kubuntu:

m

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: or try that from the win machine.. net use z: \\mythtv-server\share-name /user:mythtv password

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joez212:

system error 5

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joez212:

access is denied

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joez212:

the tail command is still displaying what i posted above re CUPS

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: what about the permission on the /storage folder? ls -al

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otwin:

joez212: what is in /etc/samba/smbusers?

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joez212:

noaxess: it has world permissions

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joez212:

otwin: lemme check

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joez212:

# Unix_name = SMB_name1 SMB_name2 ...

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joez212:

root = administrator admin

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joez212:

nobody = guest pcguest smbguest

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joez212:

mythtv = mythtv

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joez212:

just so you guys see

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joez212:

drwxrwxrwx 13 mythtv 1000 20480 2008-08–04 13:03 storage

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: if you set guest = ok?

[18:05:59]

noaxess_kubuntu:

what type of windows xp?

[18:06:03]

noaxess_kubuntu:

pro or home?

[18:06:29]

joez212:

xp- pro

[18:06:52]

joez212:

noaxess: i've spent many many hours on this issue, no i can't get the guest account to work either

[18:07:46]

noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: in winxp is the funny user login activated? welcome screen for user login..

[18:07:53]

joez212:

i was asking in the #samba channel, and they all seemed a bit puzzled

[18:08:29]

joez212:

noaxess: when i try to add the share, i change the login and password or else it will try to login using this PC's login/passwrd

[18:08:57]

Shadow__X:

poningru, so?

[18:09:11]

joez212:

i want to thank everyone for helpign me

[18:09:14]

joez212:

helping me

[18:09:22]

joez212:

i should update the post with the nmb solution

[18:09:25]

joez212:

thanks otwin

[18:09:29]

joez212:

and noaxess

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: just for info.. http://pastebin.com/m380668b4

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noaxess_kubuntu:

this is one of my share config.. and it works perfekt from 2000, xp home/pro to vista

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joez212:

but your not running fedora 8

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: hm.. but samba is the same i think :)

[18:11:08]

noaxess_kubuntu:

kubuntu

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otwin:

joez212: maybe try resetting encryption to no as i am not sure anymore what samba passdb backend defaults to

[18:11:13]

justinh:

heh none of my shares are even visible in network places. good job I know the direct paths

[18:11:36]

joez212:

otwin: ok

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otwin:

the share config should be ok as he can connect from localhost

[18:11:43]

justinh:

well, they were visible when I first set them up but not now

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: try also disabling "username map" in smb.conf

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otwin:

justinh: nmbd running?

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justinh:

que? ;)

[18:13:43]

justinh:

apparently so

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otwin:

justinh: nmbd daemon has to be running for browsing

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joez212:

what security should i try?

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joez212:

user or share?

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otwin:

joez212: user

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justinh:

I don't know much about it but it just seems to be a hack which happens to sometimes work

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noaxess_kubuntu:

i'm off.. watching some tv shows :)

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noaxess_kubuntu:

by all.

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joez212:

ok thanks again

[18:16:17]

joez212:

still no go

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joez212:

:(

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my2keh:

i just used WinSCP for file transfer, easier them samba heh

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noaxess_kubuntu:

joez212: a last one.. try search troucht all the samba logs.. also that of your client/winxp machein.. it's that with the client ip.. and then googling for the errors..

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** otwin has to go too – good luck **

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noaxess_kubuntu:

sorry my bad english.... sitting on the couch and in front of me is my big screen :)

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sutula:

I've been recording some kids shows (cable TV) at default settings: 720x480, 29.970 fps, 6000 kbps (750 kbyte/s). Now that my disk is filling, I need to whack these down. The compression mytharchive uses for EP looks OK for these shows:

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sutula:

ffmpeg -i 1105_20080803202500.mpg -r ntsc -target dvd -b 1526k -s 352x240 -acodec ac3 -ab 128k -ac 2 -copyts -aspect 4:3 x.mpg -map 0:0 -map 0:1

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justinh:

and?

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sutula:

...and they may end up on DVD anyway sometime. Any thoughts on something that might work better?

[18:25:30]

justinh:

a bigger HDD?

[18:26:06]

PatrickDK:

why stop at a bigger harddrive? :)

[18:26:10]

justinh:

you could make a user job to transcode all the recording files to a smaller size

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sutula:

Sorry, "better" in the sense that maybe I'm still wasting too much space, or it's a dumb conversion, or losing quality unnecessarily?

[18:26:25]

justinh:

see the wiki entry about user jobs

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PatrickDK:

sutula, I find conversion to be fine, if you don't mind burning all the cpu cycles to do it

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sutula:

justinh: OK...that'll be a good implementation once I settle on the right settings

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PatrickDK:

and your source must be as uncompressed as possible

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justinh:

losing file size is always losing quality. the issue is whether or not the quality loss is acceptable

[18:27:52]

sutula:

So if I'm happy with what I see on the burned DVD, there's no big red flags for those particular settings?

[18:27:55]

justinh:

for future recordings of that type you can always make a new recording profile with a reduced resolution & bitrate

[18:28:08]

justinh:

sutula: they work, don't they?

[18:28:53]

sutula:

justinh: Yeah, just that I'm about to whack 2 months of recordings, and would rather not do something too stupid, and I'm pretty new to this

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** sutula is going to do the bigger HD also, for the record :) **

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keith4:

disks are so cheap these days

[18:30:34]

justinh:

1TB < Â£100

[18:30:36]

keith4:

newegg has 750G seagates for like $100

[18:30:47]

justinh:

that said, I need to get on-board with that

[18:31:07]

keith4:

i just built a ~1.4T software raid 5 for $300

[18:31:48]

** sutula nods, but is too cheap to pay newegg rush shipping, and needs to compress some today or tomorrow :( **

[18:32:21]

justinh:

raid for TV shows? lol

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justinh:

evening gbee – see the :-O about the screenshot? like uhhh. WOW :D

[18:33:17]

gbee:

justinh: no, where was this?

[18:33:39]

justinh:

gbee: the one you posted yesterday, re mythui

[18:34:07]

gbee:

justinh: oh right :)

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keith4:

justinh: nah, not for TV

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keith4:

my myth backend has a huge jbod

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justinh:

blimey. wifey just used the 30sec skip button. only got that worky yesterday!

[18:35:46]

gbee:

well glad it can evoke that reaction when I spent just 5 minutes on it

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justinh:

gbee: well, I know what's going on behind the scenes

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wagnerrp:

with storage groups now, jbod is somewhat disadvantageous

[18:37:06]

gbee:

entirely theme based that, this and this are the same screen with just a few lines different in the theme – http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_mythgallery.png http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_mythgallery2.png

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justinh:

gbee: so long as different views can be chosen from the UI... well you know me I never want much :P

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gbee:

excuse the artifacts in the middle image, fixable scaling issue

[18:38:06]

justinh:

yeah I read that

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justinh:

naughty qt using the exif preview image

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gbee:

well I blamed QT unfairly, it was really a mythgallery bug

[18:39:09]

justinh:

heh

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gbee:

although the QT scaling isn't quite as good as Gimp etc IMHO

[18:39:59]

justinh:

bet it's quicker though

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gbee:

aye, it has to be

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gbee:

still a little slow for what we want, so I need to take a long hard look at how we deal with images in lists like that

[18:41:27]

teprrr:

just wondering.. have you chosen to be use a fork of ffmpeg as in internal player for some specific reasons? instead of just providing interface to libxine f.ex?

[18:42:00]

teprrr:

to avoid need for separately provided plugins or something like that?

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gbee:

teprrr: we have our own modifications to ffmpeg to support broadcast streams which ffmpeg etc can't

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teprrr:

ahh, backend/frontend bcasting?

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justinh:

nope. broadcast as in TV broadcasts from er.. broadcasters

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gbee:

no, as in mpeg TV broadcast streams – DVB/ATSC, ffmpeg can't handle a lot of them properly either because they don't adhere to the spec or because ffmpeg's support is incomplete

[18:44:06]

teprrr:

ah, ok. just stumbled upon as I had to use mplayer to get ass subs working

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justinh:

unfortunate abbreviation IMHO

[18:44:53]

teprrr:

have you send those patches to upstream or do you keep&sync ffmpeg now and then?

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gbee:

plus we can integrate things much better using ffmpeg directly

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justinh:

teprrr: they're allergic to the idea apparently

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justinh:

ffmpeg is synced into mythtv every now & again

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teprrr:

oh, how's that?

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justinh:

politics AFAIK

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gbee:

a lot of them have been sent upstream, some accepted, some not – they want to fix things a specific way but they are taking a long time to do it (years)

[18:46:15]

teprrr:

aa, ok

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justinh:

it's not reticence on the part of mythtv devs that's for sure

[18:46:55]

gbee:

we don't want to waste our time completely re-writing their mpeg-ts handling (which is their preferred fix), we'd rather get on with working on Myth

[18:47:39]

teprrr:

sounds reasonable

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justinh:

VLC doesn't handle UK DVB-T half of the time

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gbee:

another reason for using our own copy of ffmpeg is, like you said, to avoid additional dependancies – if users were using all different versions of ffmpeg then it makes it much harder to debug things etc

[18:50:41]

gbee:

we'd get reports from users for things which were really ffmpeg bugs in the latest versions, or API changes in ffmpeg forcing us to continually make changes – ffmpeg and the API change all the time

[18:52:10]

wh0dat_:

can i transcode a video within mythtv like i can stuff mythtv has recorded or do i need to use the command line

[18:52:23]

justinh:

nope

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justinh:

the latter

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gbee:

wh0dat_: not yet, at some point in the future – maybe even 0.22, no promises though

[18:53:10]

justinh:

oops what a hornet's next on the -users list again. muh muh muh, OSS usability, whinge, moan etc

[18:53:12]

wh0dat_:

okay thx

[18:54:49]

gbee:

tired of armchair developers :(

[18:55:20]

Aval0n:

hey guys

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Aval0n:

is svn getting to the point of useable again?

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Aval0n:

or is the qt4 stuff still buggy

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justinh:

what's the rush mister Hare?

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Aval0n:

?

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Aval0n:

;)

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gbee:

"Why Free Software has poor usability?" << Because critics don't get off their arses to help write code

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Shadow__X:

amen

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Aval0n:

hehe i'm no critic

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Aval0n:

just a greatful user ;)

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Aval0n:

exicited to see your hard work in action?

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Aval0n:

:P

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Aval0n:

*snicker*

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justinh:

oh it wasn't a dig at mythtv – oh no. pfft

[18:58:37]

justinh:

anyway, moaning about moaners is also moaning :)

[18:58:41]

Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

I was just asking if it was stable

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laga:

gah, just found out mythbackend hasn't been running all day

[18:58:51]

Aval0n:

cause I wanna try it

[18:59:02]

Aval0n:

I'm still using .21-fixes

[18:59:17]

Aval0n:

mythtv is awesome i'de never had a reason to take a dig at it

[18:59:21]

wagnerrp:

gbee: minor note, but wouldnt the critics have to sit on their arses to effectively write code

[18:59:21]

justinh:

no additional features you'll need unless you plan to buy a HDPVR

[18:59:30]

Aval0n:

hmm cool

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gbee:

wagnerrp: :p

[18:59:53]

wagnerrp:

i suppose you could do it standing up

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wagnerrp:

but i have to do that to use my network equipment in the basement, its not fun

[19:00:31]

justinh:

whatever turns people on, I'd say

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gbee:

Aval0n: even the devs have their own gripes, I don't blame people for wanting more from mythtv but they really don't get the point of open source

[19:01:15]

justinh:

haha it was the same guy who made the dark knight theme. enough said

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wagnerrp:

so he basically added new images to the 'retro' theme?

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justinh:

two words. winamp. skins

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gbee:

start paying devs a far rate for my work on MythTV and magically watch things improve at an increased ;)

[19:02:58]

justinh:

gbee: I was offerred money to do themes. I quoted 40 hours at $40 an hour. never heard back from any of them

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wagnerrp:

well winamp 3/5 skins could do some advanced things, the 2 just had image maps

[19:03:48]

justinh:

wagnerrp: no, I mean oh look at all the pretty skins winamp has! oh wait, there are billions & 99% of them suck badger willies

[19:04:30]

justinh:

I sure do hope nobody findds

[19:04:38]

wagnerrp:

you mean you dont like bright pink music players?

[19:04:43]

justinh:

nobody finds out about that paris hilton inspired theme I did

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justinh:

wagnerrp: or 'shallabritties' ;)

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Shadow__X:

justinh, already had it installed ;)

[19:05:23]

justinh:

unlicenced fan-skinz (sic), that kind of thing

[19:05:32]

gbee:

not bright pink skins that some 13 year old knocked up in 20 minutes using PSP or MS Paint

[19:06:03]

laga:

justinh: where's the dark knight theme?

[19:06:06]

justinh:

or photoshop ;)

[19:06:11]

justinh:

laga: see user's list

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wagnerrp:

laga: google 'mythtv dark knight'

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wagnerrp:

the search engine is your friend

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justinh:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/344223

[19:06:53]

justinh:

changed background, new watermark icons from I dunno where but they're quite spiffy

[19:07:18]

justinh:

pity about the use of copyrighted/unlicensable images

[19:07:35]

laga:

ah, that was two days ago

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justinh:

something I need to get off my (now) bony ass & do something about too

[19:08:35]

justinh:

not gonna check glass-wide in til it's mythui friendly

[19:08:45]

justinh:

and the rest in 'themes' can die

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laga:

haha, the usability thread is pure gold

[19:09:20]

laga:

bony ass? did ya loose weight?

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justinh:

laga: lost over 28 pounds. dunno what that is in kilos

[19:09:57]

justinh:

10 stone 4 now, still dropping

[19:09:59]

laga:

uh, like 14 kg?

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laga:

good job!

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justinh:

didn't have to change much either. just stopped eating cake/chocolate/crisps every day at lunchtime. no more fizzy drinks without spirits in em, and I always make sure to have breakfast

[19:11:31]

justinh:

that just meant I don't drink coke during the day anymore btw ;)

[19:11:54]

laga:

yeah, i realitze that :)

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AndyCap:

umm, according to units 10 stone is 63kg. are you planning to vanish?

[19:12:36]

laga:

i have this nasty chocolate bar habit i should get rid of, but my weight is quite steady so i'm not too bothered

[19:12:43]

justinh:

bit pissed about it being so successful actually – bought new jeans etc in 32 inch waist before my holiday & am now 30 inch.

[19:12:55]

sid3windr:

so, how come you don't know what it is in kilos,

[19:13:02]

sid3windr:

SURRENDER TO THE METRIC SYSTEM

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justinh:

sid3windr: because despite being in Europe we're not fully metricated yet

[19:13:29]

sid3windr:

it's one small step for justin!

[19:13:36]

justinh:

and according to placards I saw while on holiday in Cornwall, that will be over many people's dead bodies!

[19:13:39]

AndyCap:

Dometrication.

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laga:

justinh: just wondering – how tall are you?

[19:13:53]

justinh:

5'6"

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justinh:

going on for the low end of my ideal BMI – if you fall for that bullshit

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Shadow__X:

how does dmi cope with muscles

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justinh:

it doesn't

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AndyCap:

Shadow__X: it doesn't. :)

[19:14:52]

Shadow__X:

ewatcly

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justinh:

but thin people are thin people. thin is the goal! thin is perfect!

[19:15:10]

Shadow__X:

so according to that every body builder is morbidley obese

[19:15:21]

AndyCap:

besides, people in the low end of the BMI scale die miserable.

[19:15:24]

Shadow__X:

eh i dont like thin i like strong

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justinh:

Shadow__X: yeah but they have tiny genitals so at least they can't reproduce eh

[19:15:39]

Shadow__X:

heh

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my frame doesnt support 'thin'

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Shadow__X:

niether does mine

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Shadow__X:

i support fit but not thin

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wagnerrp:

at 5'10", i doubt i could go much below 200lbs

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sid3windr:

=)

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justinh:

anyway, man boobs are gone. pot belly is well on its way to being gone. wifey can barely keep her hands off. not seeing anything bad in this yet

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wagnerrp:

i admit, im currently far overweight

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justinh:

and I've saved heaps of money AND didn't have to join a poncy gym

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Shadow__X:

i am 5 6 and i couldnt go below 155 running 6 miles with sweats and a sauna suite on 3 times a day and working out

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AndyCap:

win all around

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justinh:

Shadow__X: so you're not fat, you're just big-boned :P

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Shadow__X:

sounds good justinh if that works for ya

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Shadow__X:

yeah i stay in shape i just dont have a six pack

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justinh:

I wasn't overweight anyway. I WAS UNDER-TALL !!!! :-\

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Shadow__X:

hey i know that feeling

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justinh:

nah all it took to convince me was seeing a photo of myself on my sister's facebook page, taken at xmas time. I knew it was me in the pic but it didn't look like me

[19:20:06]

justinh:

oh yeah another bonus – doing this I have not smelled like crap at any stage, unlike my work colleague who's a massive advocate of Atkins

[19:20:11]

justinh:

:D

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justinh:

no cake. EVER. Jesus. Sounds worse than death ffs

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teprrr:

btw, should the video collection update automatically when new videos will be added?

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Shadow__X:

i dont like diets because unless you can live eating that way perminently how is that going to work

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justinh:

nope

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Shadow__X:

teprrr you have to update

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justinh:

unless you set it to browse files

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teprrr:

okies.. hmm, some specific reason why not to use for example inotify to catch the new files and then add them to collection? just thinking should I look into that then..

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justinh:

what's inotify?

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teprrr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inotify gives you notifications about modifications for specified dirs/files

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teprrr:

such as new file added, file modified, file removed etc

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justinh:

thing is, lots of people love metadata, and collecting that can't reliably be automated. so having files appear without metadata is kinda lame

[19:23:11]

justinh:

although collecting it without permission is pretty bad too ;)

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justinh:

as in, still no word from IMDB I gather

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justinh:

by enabling 'file browsing' you'd get the best of both worlds :)

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justinh:

no need to re-scan, and you can get/edit metadata on a piecemeal basis

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teprrr:

yeah, just wondering that I wouldn't mind jumping around in settings to get newly added videos available :)

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teprrr:

sure one could tag them later on if wanted.. but yes, inotify is also available on linux too..

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teprrr:

so it wouldn't be very portable choice

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justinh:

as I said, enable file browsin & you get it

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teprrr:

yup, I'll take a look at it after I get my box up'n'running again.. having some weird problem.. for some reason my rootfs gets mounted as read-only and everything fails...

[19:30:33]

teprrr:

perhaps I played too much with np-suspend to find out how I could suspend the machine or something odd..

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** justinh hacks mythfrontend to stop caching teletext & CC fonts **

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teprrr:

justinh, hmm, was it you who offered me a patch regarding to tuning/start showing channel slowness

[19:51:58]

teprrr:

can't remember, sorry :P

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justinh:

greyfoxx

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justinh:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1086213

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wagnerrp:

look at those commenting skills!

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justinh:

yeah well, it just a quick hack until things can be sorted properly

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Aval0n:

anyone in here experienced the partial lock problem with qam256 stuff?

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justinh:

talk to your cable company?

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Aval0n:

well the odd thing is if I hook the line direct to the TV

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Aval0n:

it gets all of them just fine

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Aval0n:

sometimes it works

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Aval0n:

other times it doesn't

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justinh:

tv tuner cards != tuners in TVs

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Aval0n:

and I find if I tune to a channel that's on the same multiplex and then over

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Aval0n:

it works

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Aval0n:

used to do it for channel 15 all the time

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Aval0n:

then I enabled quick tune.

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Aval0n:

and it fixed it for about a month

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Aval0n:

all channels worked

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Aval0n:

now a few others are partial locking again.

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justinh:

eep! SDTV playback is taking 45% of one core here. never noticed it

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Shadow__X_:

hmm

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justinh:

ah but.. a recording from ITV, timestretched is using less than 15% CPU

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justinh:

timestretch playback using less CPU again? lol

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justinh:

if anything I'd have thought it'd use more cpu

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Shadow__X_:

watching sd on this computer pegs cpu usable to 100 percent justinh

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justinh:

must be the deinterlacer

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Shadow__X_:

for your problem or for mine

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justinh:

back to non-timestretch playback, 40% usage

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justinh:

both, maybe

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Shadow__X_:

hmm

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Shadow__X_:

should i try timestretch

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justinh:

try 1.1x

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Shadow__X_:

k

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asathoor:

are there problems with the grabbers? I cannot get program listings from tv_grab_dk

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a1fa:

"_

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a1fa:

whats new?

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justinh:

new stuff. that's always new. until it's old

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a1fa:

;)

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a1fa:

great

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tank-man:

"Court allows DVR system with remote storage" ... and no talking of fight club

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justinh:

what they mean is, hosting storage themselves, effectively taking yet another level of control out of users hands

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tank-man:

yea thats remote storage

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justinh:

beats me why they don't just implement on-demand for popular shows like we've got in the UK with Virgin Media

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clever:

it could claim to 'record' something that it allready has and just unlock the file

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clever:

but then its just overcomplicating things to emulate a private dvr when sharing the actual recordings between users

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justinh:

yep

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dustybin:

i have a great idea for my future home server setup, im going to have 2 boxes, 1 box will be for private LAN stuff, what will run: MythBackend, ZoneMinder, VOIP, Samba/NFS, X10, etc (running debian) the other server (running freebsd) will be in a DMZ and be public accessable, this will run apache and postfix mail server.

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justinh:

easier to just save everything & stream on demand

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justinh:

dustybin: it's your idea, therefore not great :D

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dustybin:

:-(

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keith4:

ouch

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Shadow__X:

aww its ok

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Shadow__X:

i am sure he has some good ideas

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Shadow__X:

hey can i use svideo input simultaneously with digital on the pinnacle pctv 800i

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Shadow__X:

or on the hvr-1800

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teprrr:

here in Finland they offer some kind of remote storage thingy also

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teprrr:

you get 500GB space to "record" whatever you want

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Shadow__X:

hmm or you can buy a 500 gb hd for like 70 bucks

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Shadow__X:

whats another site besides pricegrabber

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Shadow__X:

where iamlimdoro

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Nido:

I've applied finetuning in the database on the 'channels' table, then reset mythtv, but it doesn't see it

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sutula:

!lastseen iamlimdoro

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Nido:

rather, it looks a lot better on tvtime then mythtv. I'd guess mythtv somehow doesn't take the finetuning

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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sid3windr:

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sid3windr:

2 days 17h ago

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Nido:

i've checked trying to do the tuning in the backend-configuration app, but it already sees them

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Nido:

any ideas?

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sutula:

sid3windr: I was trying to make a smart-a$$ comment: "There iamlimdoro", to respond to Shadow__X's "where iamlimdoro", but alas...

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GreyFoxx:

n

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Shadow__X:

:( i like his remarks

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Shadow__X:

and yeah i would of guessed he has been gone for awhile good atempt sutula

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sid3windr:

oh ;)

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Shadow__X:

so i want to buy a hvr-1600 for analog and digital

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Shadow__X:

but

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Shadow__X:

on circuit city they have modell 1199 but on hauppauge site that isnt there

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Shadow__X:

anyone know of a card that has a encoder for analog does digital and isnt a hvr 1800

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Shadow__X:

no one with ideas?

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laga:

gah!

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laga:

my backend shut down while i was watching something in mythvideo

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laga:

GF not happy!

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sid3windr:

why did it shut down,

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sid3windr:

?

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laga:

i guess something went wrong with the automatic shutdown

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mikeones:

I was looking through mythplugins and saw this screenshoot http://wambs.com:8000/MythRecipe/attachment/w . . . ipe_main.JPG Where does the lights and sprinkler and alarm plugin come from?

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mikeones:

hmm, nm, http://wambs.com:8100/

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Nido:

any idea why mythtv doesn't want to finetune on my bt878?

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bsdfox:

you can tune some things on your modprobe line

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Nido:

more the finetuning on channel tuning

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Nido:

I've got finetune settings in place in the channels table in the database, but mythtv doesn't seem to pick up on it

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Shadow__X:

can i use composite in and analog simulatenously ?

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sid3windr:

no

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sid3windr:

at least not usually

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Shadow__X:

hmm alright is there a way that i would find that out

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Shadow__X:

or is that known not to work

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\malex\:

i compiled the current svn trunk version of mythtv (rev 18042, latest at some point yesterday), and when i switch channels in livetv mode the picture gets shifted to the right about 10%, with that right 10% getting shifted off the screen and onto the left side of the screen. this only happens when i enter a channel number, not when i use channel up/down. i'm using go7007 for tv input with mpeg4 encoding. any ideas?

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strike:

can anyone tell me how to enable my nvidia card in mythtv? direct rendering: yes and glxgears are working on a fresh 8.04 install driver is nvidia not nv and i created an XF86Config-4 file containing Option "NvAPG" "1" and Option "RenderAccel" "1" because there was none performance really bad jumpy and unwatchable

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strike:

and i have installed the firmware from my laptop that works

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directhex:

XF86Config-4? what is this, 1998?

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strike:

i thought it was strange not to be there

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strike:

im getting desperate on the forums

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directhex:

sure, it would be, on a debian woody system. very strange

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strike:

do you know where to enable accelleration?

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strike:

i have glxgears running i guess 3d is working properly

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directhex:

glxgears is an opengl fillrate test. what kind of framerates does it report?

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strike:

1088 its an old card

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strike:

im hoping its enough for standard def

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directhex:

okay, 3d works then. handy

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directhex:

what exactly is slow?

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strike:

picture and sound im getting blockyness on nearly every frame and the audio pops

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directhex:

in mythtv?

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directhex:

what kind of recording?

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strike:

yes i have changed everything to xvmc just to try it but no difference

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strike:

it might not be enabled or something

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directhex:

xvmc is a last resort which breaks in many cases, and also doesn't answer my question

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strike:

im not recording im watching sd channels only

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strike:

there is delays im guessing dropped frames

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wh0dat_:

does mythtv upnp support the xbox360 yet?

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strike:

it misses a few seconds of video here and there and there are entire lines missing

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GreyFoxx:

who: It has since before 0.21 was released

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strike:

the audio is really bad pops are loud at least every second

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GreyFoxx:

who: But it wont show your recordings, just videos

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wh0dat_:

grey: i see my mythtv box, click on it, but no videos, its just blank

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directhex:

strike, great. what kind of source?

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strike:

dvb

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GreyFoxx:

for the backend to serve them up the videos must be availabnle on the backend in the same location as they are configured in mythvideo

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strike:

dvico fusion usb

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strike:

works fine on my geforce 6600 and my laptop that doesnt even have 3d graphics

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directhex:

right. dvb. getting somewhere

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directhex:

what happens if you record a video, then play the mpeg file back in a different player, like totem?

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strike:

i tried it a while back the recording is the same as live tv

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strike:

i will try it again tho

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strike:

just set a timer to record for 5 mins i'll let you know

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strike:

channel 10 (55)

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strike:

cpu is 99.3% idle

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strike:

while recording

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directhex:

that's normal. dvb is just saving a stream to disk.

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strike:

sweet

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strike:

i thought it was a performance problem

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directhex:

dvb? god no. recording dvb can be done on any old crap, as long as it has decent i/o

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strike:

problem the file shows in mythtv as 5 mins recorded it plays for about 1 second then stops filesize is 4.5 mb i would have guessed it should be closer to 150mb

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strike:

totem isnt setup for mpeg yet fixing...

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strike:

i got a decent machine for it anyway p4 2.6 or something

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wh0dat_:

grey: my 360 is seeing the directories in /myth/video but not my video file i put there.

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GreyFoxx:

what was the file extension ?

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wh0dat_:

.mk4

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wagnerrp:

wh0dat_: IIRC, the backend has to be restarted after adding files to mythvideo

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wagnerrp:

what is an .mk4?

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GreyFoxx:

wtf is an mk4 ?

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GreyFoxx:

rename it to mp4

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wagnerrp:

or mkv

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strike:

sata hdd i remember running a check on the hdd speed as well a while ago

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wh0dat_:

err mkv i mean

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strike:

matroska?

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GreyFoxx:

The 360 will not play mkv

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GreyFoxx:

nor mpeg2

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wh0dat_:

its a bluray file

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GreyFoxx:

it wont even show them

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wagnerrp:

it is absolutely not a bluray file

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wagnerrp:

and besides, the 360 doesnt play bluray either

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directhex:

strike, why would you have guessed 150mb for 5 minutes?

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GreyFoxx:

avi, wmv, mp4, and MAYBE mov

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GreyFoxx:

that's it

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directhex:

strike, what's the average bitrate on that channel? how's your reception?

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wagnerrp:

that mkv is a custom trancoding, done from a bluray source

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strike:

i had some music videos from a while ago they were about 5 mins

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wagnerrp:

meaning it has absolutely no relation to the original file

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directhex:

wagnerrp, great. throw it in the bin. the 360 will not touch the matroska container

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strike:

2 hours is about 7gb for sd i think

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wh0dat_:

okay. so i would have to transcode this into somethign else then

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directhex:

the 360 will play HD h264 files in a mov container, though

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strike:

from memory

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directhex:

strike, try 2gb max

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wagnerrp:

wh0dat_: how powerful is your backend?

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GreyFoxx:

the 360 is frankly, a crappy, drm filled piss poor player

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strike:

maybe i was thinking of hd

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wh0dat_:

wagner: 1.86ghz core 2 duo

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wagnerrp:

that may be sufficient

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wh0dat_:

for what?

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wagnerrp:

your best option would probably be to check out mediatomb, or fuppes, or some other uPnP backend that supports transcoding

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directhex:

GreyFoxx, reckon the upnp server will ever get on-access transcoding abilities?

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wagnerrp:

it will automatically transcode the video, on-the-fly, to something the xbox can handle

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GreyFoxx:

dire: Until the backend supports it, the upnp stuff wont

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wh0dat_:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

most downloadable BDrips are going to be 5–10mbps average

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strike:

nah video from 2 hours is 4–7gb the bitrate is higher than dvd i think

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wagnerrp:

your processor will probably be able to decode the video using 60–70% CPU

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wagnerrp:

leaving little left for re-encoding

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wh0dat_:

does bluray use mpeg4

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wagnerrp:

if youre lucky you may just be able to swap the video into another container

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directhex:

wh0dat_, as one of three available codecs, it often does

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strike:

recording a different channel

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wh0dat_:

the reason i wanted to play this on the 360 is that my 1.86ghz core 2 duo has issues playing it (my front end is same box as backend)

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directhex:

wh0dat_, depending on what you think you mean by "mpeg4"

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strike:

what is the lowest specced pc you have recorded dvb on

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wagnerrp:

directhex: the mpeg4 he is referring to is not a codec, it is a container

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strike:

i have an 866 i could setup if it could do the job

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strike:

anyone tried it?

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wh0dat_:

i renamed it to .avi, the file showed up. but it says 'unplayable content'.

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directhex:

wh0dat_, really? guess what, if you rename vmlinuz to quake3.exe, it doesn't actually turn into a game

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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strike:

directhex do you record in mp4? xvid? mpeg2?

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strike:

ts?

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directhex:

strike, i record dvb. dvb is a mpeg2 stream. i record it as it is.

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wh0dat_:

directhex: thats not the same thing and you know it.

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wagnerrp:

well renaming it to an avi means it is still just a matroska file

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wagnerrp:

so the 360 will attempt, and fail, at opening it

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strike:

the first time i tried recording it saved as a ts with all the channels on that transport inside the file was huge

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directhex:

wh0dat_, erm, yes it fucking well is

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strike:

abc has like 4 video channels and like 700 radio channels

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directhex:

wh0dat_, rename a matroska container to AVI, you may as well rename a .mp3 to .zip and expect it to open

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wh0dat_:

depending on what the codec of the file is and what container its in, renaming the extension (which doesnt mean squat for a video file nowadays anyways) to get the file to at least show up, i had a slight chance of being able to play it.

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directhex:

wh0dat_, you already said it was mkv. you were already told the xbox wouldn't touch matroska. what exactly are you trying to prove?

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wh0dat_:

totally not the same as renaming a linux kernel file to a windowx executable file.

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wagnerrp:

well if it cant recognize and handle a .mkv file, it definately wont be able to use a matroska file renamed to .avi

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strike:

ok i have the file 254mb for 5mins

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wh0dat_:

directhex: i didn't trust the extension it had.

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directhex:

wh0dat_, so run "file" on it. or "ffmpeg -i"

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wh0dat_:

already did

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directhex:

and it said "RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI"?

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wh0dat_:

it doesnt say matroska anywhere

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wh0dat_:

its an Xvid apparently

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strike:

ok the recording is the same as live its rubbish video has blocks and lines missing the audio pops

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directhex:

xvid is a codec. there is no xvid container.

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wh0dat_:

i will try out mediatomb

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directhex:

strike, in which player?

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wh0dat_:

doesnt ffmpeg see the codec too though?

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strike:

mplayer on another machine

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strike:

my mythtv is a fresh install

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directhex:

sure. but it needs to open the container first

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directhex:

strike, perhaps your recordings are bad, then?

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strike:

at least this time it recorded 5 mins

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strike:

yeah recorded and live is the same

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directhex:

strike, how's your reception?

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strike:

fine last time i tried on the laptop

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strike:

same tuner

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strike:

usb external

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directhex:

be sure.

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strike:

when i used to edit recordings from this tuner i noticed a dropped frame here and there but not like this

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strike:

same outlet same cable

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directhex:

be sure.

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strike:

i guess i have ruled out my video card then might be the firmware for my tuner

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directhex:

it could be something like a missing firmware file

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strike:

i have 2 versions and one for australian tv that i didnt need on the laptop for some reason

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strike:

i will look for any more fw that might work

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strike:

my dmesg is the same on a working machine and this one

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strike:

for dvb

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