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Sunday, August 3rd, 2008, 00:01 UTC

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DurtDiggler:

how do I add a new tv card

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DurtDiggler:

oh n/m

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DurtDiggler:

the probed info wasnt right but I figured it out

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Hunda:

excuse me for being the idiot here

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Hunda:

but does mythtv work on the same principle as Zattoo?

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cesman:

I guess I'll have to google Zattoo

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my2keh:

never heard of Zattoo myself

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cesman:

Hunda: No, it isn't

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Hunda:

ahh okay.

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Hunda:

thank you very much

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Hunda:

have a good day now

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cesman:

you too

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Hunda:

thanks

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cesman:

you're welcome

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my2keh:

very nice manners heh

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my2keh:

anyone here use DVB?

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my2keh:

not all at once please

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my2keh:

:P

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DurtDiggler:

why would some of my channels be all fuzzy

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DurtDiggler:

but they are just fine on my tv

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my2keh:

bad signal?

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DurtDiggler:

I don't see why it would only go bad when it's hooked to my capture card

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DurtDiggler:

I'm sure the card is probably bad

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DurtDiggler:

when you have 3 video inputs how do you know which one is used when you watch live tv

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my2keh:

if all are available, i think it's the first one in the list

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my2keh:

but not sure

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DurtDiggler:

well I moved the cable line to a different input and now it's just showing snow

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DurtDiggler:

so it must be trying to use that same one

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DurtDiggler:

there must be a setting somewhere

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DurtDiggler:

to tell it which to use

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my2keh:

maybe there's something in the myth-seutp

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DurtDiggler:

do I create a video source for each tuner

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cesman:

DurtDiggler: perhaps reading the instructions on mythtv.org?

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cesman:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html

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DurtDiggler:

I thought it might be something obvious for the poeple that mess with this all the time

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cesman:

but if you don't understand the process perhaps, you should read the instructions?

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DurtDiggler:

all I asked was where I tell it which input to use for live tv

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cesman:

and that is dependent on how _you_ setup MythTV

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DurtDiggler:

k it looks like I have to create a video source for each tuner card

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cesman:

no, you have to create a source for earch source you have

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cesman:

for instance

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cesman:

I have digital cable, regular analog cable and OTA

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cesman:

so, I have a a source for each of those

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cesman:

I have 4 cards that I use for ATSC (HD OTA)

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cesman:

each of those cards are bound to the same video source

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cesman:

DurtDiggler: doesn't help to explain?

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DurtDiggler:

now it's telling me that the new cards are set to start on channel which does not exist

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DurtDiggler:

Im pretty sure I set them up the same as the first card

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croppa:

I have a HP nc6220 laptop running Uuntu 8.04 and have installed Mythtv Front end

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croppa:

everything works great except the [ &] & \ for the sound volume and mute

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croppa:

Where would I look to find a repair for this

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croppa:

I think the nc6220 will make an excelent front end for beside the TV

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jblack:

Just don't close the lid.

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DurtDiggler:

why is this thing warning me that my new cards are set to start on channels that do not exist

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jblack:

because in mythtv-setup you failed to set the default starting channel number.

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DurtDiggler:

oh yeah I forgot to scan for channels

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klpt:

so... I just nuked my mythbox and installed 0.21. I was on 0.19 before. There were a lot of operating system upgrades between then and now as well.

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klpt:

but now sound is broken

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klpt:

anybody up for trying to figure out why?

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klpt:

wow, quiet

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my2keh:

ssshh

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klpt:

yeah, seems the nuns have done their job :)

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klpt:

ARGH speaker-test works, but aplay can't use handle multi channel and only outputs through the front speakers, and myth doesn't output at all

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klpt:

still no joy!!!

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klpt:

*hmph*

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magius_pendragon:

so whenever i change volume in myth using the [] keys, the acutal output volume doesn't seem to change ; anyone have any ideas on how that might be fixed?

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cesman:

In the General Settings, check out device

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cesman:

perhaps ALSA:default?

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magius_pendragon:

yes

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magius_pendragon:

it was /dev/dsp before

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magius_pendragon:

neither work

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klpt:

yeah, I'm not sure what to do about sound either

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klpt:

the only thing that works properly is speaker-test

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klpt:

aplay doesn't work properly with multiple channels either

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DurtDiggler:

if I set everything up right why would my pictures jump all around and have the colors all messed up

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DurtDiggler:

every fuckin video card I buy is broken

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DurtDiggler:

tv card*

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tank-man:

ho0w many have you boughT?

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^V^:

Hi,

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FergatROn:

hi, does MythTV work with Fedora 9? I tried to install it via YUM and got an error.

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tank-man:

package maintainers fault

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^V^:

I have a problem with mythtv. It doesn't seem to shut down when idle reliably. Sometimes it does but if I turn it back on it will just sit there. If I then restart the backend it shuts down as expected. Anyone know what could be wrong with my set up?

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tank-man:

is there a specific error msg?

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FergatROn:

tank-man: yeah sorry: file /usr/lib64/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0 from install of lame-3.98–1.fc9.x86_64 conflicts with file from package lame-libs-3.97–6.lvn8.x86_64

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tank-man:

i dont know what you can do to fix that

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DurtDiggler:

which video source does this use when you watch live tv

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DurtDiggler:

I have a pvr 500

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DurtDiggler:

and it shows up as 2 different cards

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DurtDiggler:

when I select one of them I get nothing but static no matter which jack my cable is hooked to

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DurtDiggler:

when I select the other I get a fucked up picture no matter which jack my cable is hooked to

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DurtDiggler:

whats the problem

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tank-man:

does the pvr500 work outside of mythtv?

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DurtDiggler:

I don't know yet

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DurtDiggler:

I only have a wintv that works with 150 250 or 350

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DurtDiggler:

well it works but looks like shit, and I don't know how to select which tuner I want to use

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pembo13_com:

why is it that mythbackend can rewrite it's mysql.txt file?

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dsmiley:

Hello. I've been wrestling with the combination of MythTV and my HDHomeRun for a while and I haven't really gotten luck with it yet.

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dsmiley:

I've done a lot of web searches... but I just have a few questions that may help me as I troubleshoot and try different things.

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dsmiley:

For example, does it matter the order that I do a channel scan, QAM256, QAM64 or not?

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dsmiley:

And, why is it that instructions online for the HDR say to enter in the schedules-direct info AFTER the channel scan and not have it before? Why does it matter?

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riddlebox:

can you tell a tuner to transcode every time it is used? I have one tuner that is a pvr500 which records in mpeg, and a pinnacle 800i that records in nuv, and I need to transcode those files to mpg files?

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croppa:

magius_pendragon: I have just changed audio output device from alsa:default to /dev/dsp and the [ & ] buttons now change sound volume

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croppa:

magius_pendragon: I have just changed audio output device from alsa:default to /dev/dsp and the [ & ] buttons now change sound volume

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magius_pendragon:

okay i'll try it, thanks croppa

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croppa:

I was having the same problem and a hint from some other responce helped me to think :-)

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magius_pendragon:

nope didn't work for me

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croppa:

I am using a hp nc6220 laptop

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croppa:

try the other settings

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croppa:

I dont know how to get the IR reciever going though :-(

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wagnerrp:

do you have an IR receiver?

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wagnerrp:

or do you have an IrDA transceiver

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wagnerrp:

most laptops have IrDA, not (LIRC style) IR

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croppa:

IrDA In the laptop

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wagnerrp:

yeah, not gonna work

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croppa:

Bummer

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Ra^:

are there any irda modules that _will_ work with lirc? I've never read up on it

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Dagmar:

IrDA ports will never work with LIRC.

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Dagmar:

It's on the wiki, even.

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Dagmar:

You might as well be trying to use an ethernet card to dial the phone

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wagnerrp:

ive dialed the phone with my ethernet card before

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wagnerrp:

of course that was a modem/ethernet combo card

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styelz:

hello.

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anykey_:

harzi: ping

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gbee:

firefox dictionary is useless, missing hundreds of standard words and mis-spelling lots

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** justinh chuckles. dark knight theme indeed. oh yes we can imagine all the images are suitably licenced. winamp skins here we come :( **

[09:01:46]

gbee:

justinh: someone pointed out a new media centre last night based on xbmc, the reviewer had said how the theme was much cleaner/nicer than the MythTV

[09:02:08]

gbee:

so I'm just going to rip it off as a demonstration for mythui ;)

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

morning btw

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gbee:

morning :)

[09:03:42]

justinh:

junked the netgear router yesterday, got a linksys. no trouble since then & the new one looks nicer & is much smaller :)

[09:04:33]

gbee:

smaller? hmm, might be that the WRG614 is larger than the RP614

[09:04:49]

justinh:

what's this 'new' media centre then?

[09:05:22]

justinh:

it wasn't adverstised as such by microdirect but this is the WRT54G-C (compact)

[09:05:40]

gbee:

Boxee or something, it's 'spin' is that it unloads your viewing habits so that you can share it with friends (something for the Facebook generation)

[09:06:29]

gbee:

haven't read up on it yet, just looked at the screenshots – think it's a commercial but GPL'd app

[09:07:11]

justinh:

looks awful IMHO

[09:07:13]

gbee:

using the alpha version requires applying to them

[09:07:53]

justinh:

grey & snot green? mmmmyers

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gbee:

http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=boxee_li . . . linux_02_lrg

[09:08:44]

gbee:

wastes a lot of screen space – look at those margins top and bottom

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justinh:

heh

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gbee:

full inch between the top of the screen and the 'video' banner

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justinh:

see – 'unclutterred' – means the first look it got from us, we didn't think about how impractical it might be

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gbee:

but the point is that the layout, even the selected item being bigger is well within the capabilitity of a mythui theme so it's a nice way of saying "Anything you can do .."

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

http://lifehacker.com/396382/boxee-is-xbmc-wi . . . social-flair has better screenshots ;)

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justinh:

gotta love open source for being able to nick ideas from other projects :D

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Steven_M:

hi all

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famicom:

well duh

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famicom:

in dutch we have a saying

[09:21:37]

famicom:

"beter goed gejat dan slecht bedacht"

[09:22:31]

jblack:

I must be tired, because I almost feel like I can understand that in english.

[09:22:57]

XLV:

whats the status on hauppauge hvr 1300 support in mythtv?

[09:23:04]

justinh:

sarcasm is the lowest form of wit ;)

[09:23:15]

justinh:

XLV: mythtv does not support TV tuners

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jblack:

That's the sad part. I wasn't being sarcastic

[09:24:01]

XLV:

justinh http://www.mythtvtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4222&start=0 here it says in linux in gerenal is supported, but mythtv doesnt cooperate so well with blackbird encoders...

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famicom:

/lowest/slowest/g

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XLV:

thinking of getting asus p5gc, 3 hvr 1300 and three techisat skystar2hd

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justinh:

XLV: maybe they're not v4l compliant

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famicom:

XLV

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famicom:

buy your parts from me :D

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XLV:

justinh btw, i hope mythtv has some kind of grouping tuners.. ie this hvr 1300 cant use both tuners at same time

[09:25:34]

famicom:

so

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XLV:

but with 3 of those and grouping, there should be some flexibility

[09:25:36]

famicom:

buy two of them

[09:25:47]

XLV:

famicom i just said i'd buy 3 of them

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famicom:

Yikes

[09:26:02]

famicom:

i got 2 tuners

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famicom:

and thats overkill for me

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justinh:

ahh yeh

[09:26:52]

styelz:

i cant get the width/height detection to work, is there a problem with that ?

[09:27:47]

justinh:

huh?

[09:28:26]

styelz:

for TV playback.. so i can use different deinterlacer for HD and SD

[09:28:43]

justinh:

XLV: now I remember seeing some work done for v4l mpeg encoders, so we're both kinda right (ish)

[09:29:36]

XLV:

justinh any hybrid dvb-t/analog with hardware mpeg2 tuner that certainly works?

[09:29:54]

justinh:

dunno

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justinh:

doubt it

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laga:

morning

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styelz:

everything else works sweet

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XLV:

justinh also about the grouping... so it knows that if the dvb-t of one card is used, to not try to use its analog, but go to some other card?

[09:31:05]

justinh:

that's what input groups are for IIRC

[09:31:16]

XLV:

justinh ok, just wanted to make sure

[09:31:21]

styelz:

i have hybrid card. but can only use 1 or the other.. i need to reboot to do that

[09:31:37]

Steven_M:

is there any way to get mythtv to add 5 mins before and after the listing time for a recorded program?

[09:31:38]

XLV:

styelz unload module, reload it, no need to reboot iirc

[09:31:44]

styelz:

ah

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justinh:

quick answer – hybrid cards are shite

[09:31:50]

styelz:

lazy

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XLV:

justinh true, but they are needed, if you want many tuners.. and dont say build a second backend ;-)

[09:32:35]

styelz:

i have 2 x dvb-t

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styelz:

loving that

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styelz:

pip works nice

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styelz:

and bye bye conflicts

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justinh:

hybrid cards are the TV tuner card equivalent of haemaphrodites. they can go **** themselves :)

[09:34:03]

styelz:

yea i dont use anything but the dvbt on mine so its a waste

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justinh:

oh look, is it a digital card and an analogue card in one? no, it's a digital card OR an analogue card in one

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XLV:

which i might just do... some mini-itx with g45 from intel and c2d e7200 for frontend, 2.5" hdd to boot, and all backends into the "server" room

[09:34:24]

XLV:

but then costs rises exponentially

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justinh:

as for space saving, just hunt down one of the elusive good motherboards with more than 3 PCI slots :P

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styelz:

but it was cheaper than the single .. but meh

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XLV:

justinh i did.. asus p5gc has 6

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Steven_M:

justinh: oh dear, I just bought one

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XLV:

justinh i could restrict myselv to one pvr500 and two skystar2HD, and one nova-T 500

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justinh:

nah my only problem about hybrid cards is this – they give the user the impression you can just switch between types on the fly. that may be the case in windows

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styelz:

yea, but thats a driver issue isnt it?

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XLV:

justinh module loading/unloading should do it ( then ofcourse, it kills the other card if you got more than one of them installed )

[09:36:20]

justinh:

hahaha

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gbee:

Steven_M: yes, somewhere in the settings is an option to add any amount of pre-record and post-record time you like

[09:36:48]

justinh:

anyway, going back to boxii or whatever it's called – finally it's clear the UI paradigm of shiny plastic is dying. YES!

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gbee:

we actually support two different types of over/under record – what we'll call soft and hard – the soft is specified globally and used for every recording, but it will be ignored if it causes conflicts between two or more recordings

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Steven_M:

gbee: great :)

[09:38:21]

justinh:

gbee: in which case, three cheers for multirec :)

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XLV:

justinh http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=12222 that one with a e7200 should make a sweet frontend

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gbee:

the hard is specified per recording schedule and won't be ignored, it will record that extra five minutes even if it means it doesn't record another program

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justinh:

and hey isn't it really funny how any new 'media centre' comes along and it only deals with EXISTING content? like there's NEVER any TV recording... EVER.

[09:39:58]

gbee:

generally "hard" should be avoided, it will probably cause tears unless you have lots of tuners

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** justinh has squillions of (virtual) tuners **

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styelz:

mm

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** styelz dribbles **

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Steven_M:

justinh: if that's the only problem with hybrid cards, I'm not worried

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justinh:

so yeah I dunno how any of these projects see themselves, but if it don't record telly, it AIN'T pulling all my media into one place

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justinh:

mythtv wins. again :D

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Steven_M:

justinh: hell yeah :)

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styelz:

mythzmserver.. oh thats neat

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gbee:

justinh: and if we match them on their other functionality then ...

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justinh:

yup. all the little twiddly UI bits too

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Steven_M:

gbee: i agree with using soft

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justinh:

you know that ableton I've been witterring on about? its ui is like nothing I've ever seen on a PC. it's ace

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gbee:

justinh: well match wasn't quite the right word ;)

[09:45:03]

gbee:

"take the best of"

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justinh:

heh. skipping the part where they overlook how illegal a person's media is, and stepping right over how they flagrantly disregard website usage conditions ;)

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** Steven_M has to go offline, be back soon **

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** justinh is multitasking. ironing & IRC.. what a combination! **

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styelz:

sounds difficult

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styelz:

need voice recognition

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gbee:

last thing I need is voice recognition IRC ...

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justinh:

me too. I can type as fast as I can talk

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** AndyCap wonders what it would take to have justinh burn a hole in his shirt. **

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styelz:

but you cant type and iron

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styelz:

..

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justinh:

all done

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jduggan:

maybe he can iron and type

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jduggan:

;]

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justinh:

in all my years ironing I've never wrecked any clothes. only ever burned myself

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gbee:

I've not wrecked clothes, but I have damaged them on occassions by using too high a heat for the material

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jduggan:

you know what that says

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jduggan:

dont bother ironing, there's too great a risk

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jduggan:

;]

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laga:

na, you just need more cotton clothing ;)

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justinh:

jduggan: nah, this is as close as I get to extreme sports :P

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justinh:

anyway, time to get ready to hit town. there are sales, apparently :-\

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AndyCap:

sales on a sunday? oh my.

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harzi:

anykey_: pong

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gbee:

R.I.P. justinh, trampled to death when he made the mistake of shopping on a Sunday during a sale. He will be missed.

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andreax:

rofl he should know better... :)

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sebrock:

man this is driving me crazy, I cant find where the Watch Recordings menu is defined...

[11:16:37]

KjetilK:

anybody else had problems with dialogues being inaudible with 5.1 and anything but Passive upmix?

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Dagmar:

You shoudlnt' need to upmix 5.1 usually

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KjetilK:

oh, ok

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KjetilK:

it works OK with Passive, so I guess I'll leave it at that

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Dagmar:

Is your speaker system 5.1?

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KjetilK:

yup

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KjetilK:

Logitech Z-5500

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Dagmar:

Then you don't need to do anything with it other than connect the stuff properly and let it do it's thing

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KjetilK:

hmmmm

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Dagmar:

"upmixing" is when you have say, only a _stereo_ audio track, which is just the left and right channels, and you need to turn it *into* a 6- or 8-channel mix so that all your speakers are doing something.

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KjetilK:

right

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Dagmar:

...and frankly, that's more easily done with ALSA IMHO

[11:20:55]

Dagmar:

Okay well, more tidily done with ALSA at any rate.

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laga:

i thought ALSA had "dumber" upmixing?

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KjetilK:

funny thing is that when I have a 5.1 DVD, the dialogue is inaudible, even though the center speaker does emit other sounds, if I use anything other than Passive upmixing

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Dagmar:

With JACK involved you can to absolutely stupid things to the audio stream

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KjetilK:

but then, I tend to like doing things on the command line, so yeah, ALSA is probably better for me :-)

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Dagmar:

KjetilK: OKay, so right off I'd run `speaker-test -c6 -Dsurround51 -t wav` and see if it sounds like it's supposed to

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Dagmar:

Don't expect to hear more than *MMmMph-mph-mmMmMph* out of the LFE tho'.

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Dagmar:

Pay attention when center channel comes up

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KjetilK:

OK, so something _is_ wrong...

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KjetilK:

I only hear front left and front right

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Dagmar:

Time to go into alsamixer and look for missing/muted sliders

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KjetilK:

everything there is at 100%

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Dagmar:

...or *shudder* read alsa docs

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KjetilK:

OMG!

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Dagmar:

5.1 mixes like to put dialog in center channel

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KjetilK:

right

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KjetilK:

but if I play a song, I'm sure I hear audio from all speakers

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KjetilK:

the thing is, all this worked just out of the box before my recent upgrade to Mythbuntu 8.04 and Myth 0.21...

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KjetilK:

WTF, turning the speakers off and on again is producing other results...

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f1

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styelz:

er

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styelz:

oops

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BuCkZ:

any dutch users use grab_tv_nl_py ? i need some help

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sebrock:

man this is driving me crazy, I cant find where the Watch Recordings menu is defined in the XML files... anyone knows this?

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BuCkZ:

myth been driving me crazy for 3 weeks

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BuCkZ:

cant get the xml guides to work

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sebrock:

BuCkZ, work from a template instead

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BuCkZ:

how do you mean sebrock?

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sebrock:

what did you mean in the first place :P?

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BuCkZ:

i want mythtv to use a tvguide that gets inported true : grab_tv_nl , but i cant get it to work

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sebrock:

oh, I was talking about Themes

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gbee:

wow, Blockbusters are claiming in an advert that "Never Back Down" is "Fight Club" for the next generation ... well if you think Fight club is just about people fighting, then sure but you've never actually watched the film ...

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directhex:

gbee, people thought Clockwork Orange was about rape & violence

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styelz:

heh

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gbee:

;)

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styelz:

dont drop the soap

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laga:

i couldn't force myself to finish "clockwork orange"

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sebrock:

guys, in which file are the "Watch recordings" menu defined?

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gbee:

library.xml

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gbee:

although it depends which menu theme you are using

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sebrock:

yeah, it doesnt have any definitins so thats the default?

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gbee:

http://pastebin.ca/1091785

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sebrock:

gbee, well I meant the actual menu

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sebrock:

where one can choose witch recording etc.

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gbee:

sorry, I'm not understanding

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styelz:

its in ui.xml on some of mine

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gbee:

oh, you mean the screen?

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gbee:

yeah all the frontend stuff is in ui.xml

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gbee:

for now anyway

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sebrock:

ah, thank you gbee

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gbee:

sorry thought you meant the menu containing the link to that page

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sebrock:

I want to edit the screen to have a bigger preview video

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gbee:

"playback" window

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sebrock:

mmmm yeah I guess :D

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gbee:

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gbee:

<area>x,y,width,height</area>

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sebrock:

just to clear this out. If the theme itself doesnt define this, is the fallback "default" or "default-wide" folder?

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gbee:

heh, well this is complicated – it should be default for non-wide themes, default-wide for -wide themes

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gbee:

but I recently discovered it isn't working right, at least in trunk (can't speak for 0.21)

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sebrock:

I got wide, got .21-fixes

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sebrock:

anyway, its just the fallback I need to know

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sebrock:

so I guess that is what I have to edit

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sebrock:

but there is no ui.xml in those folders :(?

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gbee:

no, no-one ever defined fallbacks for ui.xml since it's a big job and you basically end up creating an entire theme

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gbee:

you could copy an existing theme and put it in there

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gbee:

0.22 may have a complete fallback theme since that's the easiest approach for the conversion – I won't have to change all the existing themes immediately

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sebrock:

ah

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styelz:

gbee: do you know if the Match Criteria (W/H) detection works for playback profiles ?

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styelz:

i cant get it to work

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styelz:

on 0.21

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styelz:

fixes16

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gbee:

it should work

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styelz:

i mean 16838

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styelz:

hm

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styelz:

maybe its because i have australian DVB?

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styelz:

its just started with HD

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styelz:

i mean they only started transmitting HD free to air in the last year

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laga:

liveTV is AFAIK broken for the more advanced profiles, it's somehow related to the dummy video IIRC

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laga:

it'll use the wrong profile entry for HD streams

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styelz:

ah

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laga:

but only for livetv

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styelz:

i will try delete all profile and see if just 1 works

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styelz:

ok

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styelz:

thanks

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laga:

it doesn't select the wrong profile, it just gets the selection criteria wrong

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styelz:

ah ok

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laga:

so it'll select the entry for <720 && < 576

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styelz:

ok

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styelz:

thanks laga. understood

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styelz:

at least its working for recordings

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tanjeff:

Hi

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tanjeff:

I'm trying to get mythtv working for the first time.

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tanjeff:

I'm located in Germany (Wiesbaden in Hessen), so instructions for northern amerika didn't work here

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tanjeff:

Well, I have mysql running and I am inthe mythtv-setup program

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tanjeff:

I added a tv card and a video source but can't find any channels.

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tanjeff:

And yes, my hardware is working. I have a Nova-T dvb-t card with a cx23880 chip and it runs fine with xine

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tanjeff:

But I don't know how to use channels.conf in mythtv or how to configure the channels otherwise

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tanjeff:

I'm frustrated since I spent hours in getting mythtv running, but I'm not even able to watch tv, not to mention making recordings...

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tanjeff:

So, if someone can help me getting a first picture on the screen I would be very happy :-/

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laga:

tanjeff: www.mythwiki.de and #mythtv-de might be helpful

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tanjeff:

Ah, thanks

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tanjeff:

I will try there

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gbee:

laga: do you happen to know if there is an open ticket for that profile issue?

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laga:

there is one. let me dig it up

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laga:

gbee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5025

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gbee:

laga: ok thanks

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styelz:

auto volume leveling would be neat

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styelz:

bloody ads

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styelz:

so loud compared to the shows

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gbee:

someone is working on that IIRC

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styelz:

aww. nice

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gbee:

but the solution is just to not watch LiveTV :) With recordings you can skip over all the ads

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styelz:

yea ;)

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gbee:

damn, I just _knew_ Paul was going to touch the theme

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sebrock:

anyone knows if its possible to toggle through different aspect ratios in mplayer_

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sebrock:

just like in internal player...

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styelz:

i tried to get that working. i think i needed to set it to stretch though

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styelz:

or scale

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styelz:

cant recall

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styelz:

but it did do it

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sebrock:

Well, I just want to be able to toggle between 16:9 and 2.35:1

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styelz:

i dont think it has a toggle

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styelz:

but you can zoom

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styelz:

-monitoraspect 16:9 -fs

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styelz:

but its crap

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styelz:

mplayer should do auto aspect detection on the input video

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justinh:

OSS apps SHOULD do a lot of things according to the people who use them :P

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justinh:

anyway FWIW, AVI files can only have one aspect ratio defined by the resolution of the stream inside. no anamorphics there

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justinh:

mpeg, ogg etc are a different matter. besides, people who encode videos & make them available rarely know what they're doing

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gbee:

dare I ask what mplayer is able to play that the internal player can't? usual answer is something about seeking in mkv but I'm always curious

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justinh:

btw I survived the sales. even survived my wife's 'circle the aisles repeatedly & conquer' manoevres ;)

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gbee:

heh

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justinh:

gbee: what's paul done to the theme?

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** styelz hides **

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justinh:

I'm still traumatised from trying to theme mytharchive

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stuarta:

i can imagine

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styelz:

oh, i didnt realize i could use Internal for playing videos. (blush)

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justinh:

heheheh

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styelz:

awesome

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gbee:

justinh: oh nothing much, I was also working on the mythgallery theme so it was sods law that someone else would commit a change which conflicted and I knew that Paul was making mythgallery changes today so I saw it coming

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justinh:

yup. sod's law

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justinh:

we got our Wii yesterday btw. my arms are effing killing me today. who'd have thought those controllers could be so heavy? :D

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stuarta:

hah!

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stuarta:

got whipped in wii tennis just this morning

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stuarta:

despite a number of practice games at 1am

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GreyFoxx:

My 4 year old kicks my ass at that regularly

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GreyFoxx:

she has a way of doing these power serves that I can't touch

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justinh:

you can change how it serves?!

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GreyFoxx:

if I serve I win, if she starts serving first I loose :)

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justinh:

heheh

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GreyFoxx:

justin yeah :)

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stuarta:

i can manage those about 1 in every 50 serves

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justinh:

I'm glad when I hit it

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justinh:

the boxing is the most tiring IMHO

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GreyFoxx:

stuar: yeah my daughter can do it almost every serve, and she wont tell me how she does it:)

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GreyFoxx:

She jsut says "It's my secret" :)

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stuarta:

it's a sort of quick flick of the wrist

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, the practice boxing she kicks my but in too

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stuarta:

i just can't really do it on demand

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justinh:

we get a white thing you stand on one leg on next month

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GreyFoxx:

she can do the massive power hits everytime

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GreyFoxx:

and knocks down the heavy bag in 2 punches every time

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GreyFoxx:

It kills me :)

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stuarta:

haven't tried the boxing yet

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stuarta:

did manage to get a funky slice spin backhand going last night

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justinh:

only have one controller at the mo. they should ship 2 as standard

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justinh:

and a bleedin scart switch :P

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stuarta:

drunk wii is soo much fun

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justinh:

jeepers. just read the club I was at last weekend, a speaker stack fell on 2 people last night

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GreyFoxx:

heh I don't even own the wii. It's my brother in laws, but he's left it here for the last 3 months :)

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justinh:

hope the Funktion Ones are OK

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: sounds like YOURS now :P

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stuarta:

possession being 9/10ths of the law

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

he comes over to play it on the projector heh

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justinh:

I can definitely see what all the fuss is/was about

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stuarta:

i love the way the ppl in the crowd jump around in celebration

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

I got a nokia n810 the other day, I've been playing with this thing constantly for days

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stuarta:

who needs legs when you look like a ten pin

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GreyFoxx:

and it worked with myth's upnp server out of the box ;)

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stuarta:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

the gps is nifty too

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GreyFoxx:

now I need a good carmount

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GreyFoxx:

the one that came with it expects you to drill the screws into the dash, which isn't gonna happen :)

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stuarta:

gps too? oooo....

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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stuarta:

wifi?

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GreyFoxx:

It runs linux, I have a sip phone on it, wifi

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stuarta:

voip?

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GreyFoxx:

I can ssh in

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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GreyFoxx:

bluetooth

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** stuarta adds that to wishlist **

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GreyFoxx:

can use a phone as a data source

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GreyFoxx:

I installed openvpn, vnc view, rdesktop

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GreyFoxx:

all the stuff I use a lot

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GreyFoxx:

and a vncserver on it so I can manage it from a desktop (or ssh in)

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stuarta:

nice

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GreyFoxx:

and a a dead simple app for converting dvd's or video files to play on it

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GreyFoxx:

apparently there are ways to modify the usb connector (in software only) to use it for usb drives, keyboards or other usb devices and not just for connecting it to your pc

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GreyFoxx:

I'm in love :)

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stuarta:

i'm due for an upgrade, maybe i can scam that in a few months

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GreyFoxx:

I installed a better mail app for my several imap accounts

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GreyFoxx:

but the voip is what is most nifty

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justinh:

ahem. that um... bat theme. changing the background does not a theme make. SMACK!

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GreyFoxx:

and I'm installing kismet so it would be nice for wardriving heh

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justinh:

I like the icons though – wonder where they're stolen from

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briand:

GreyFoxx: welcome to the tablet addiction. :)

[17:06:48]

briand:

GreyFoxx: you can install kismet, but it won't be "nice for wardriving" ... the built-in WiFi won't go into the proper mode (can't inject packets), so kismet would be less usable than on other platforms (with more open wifi cards)

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laga:

kismet is a passive scanner.

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laga:

no need to inject packets

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briand:

i was thinking of being able to actually do something with the data... no way to decrypt WEP on the tablet, for instance, without injection

[17:10:12]

laga:

well, why would someone want to do naughty things like that ;)

[17:10:27]

briand:

i suppose you could get very lucky while wardriving, and hit all those APs while other folks are trying to log in...

[17:10:32]

briand:

anyway..

[17:10:51]

briand:

the nokia "mediastreamer" app is a must-have for myth users...

[17:11:30]

briand:

true, the file manager "sees" the uPnP server for myth... but the mediastreamer app will stream it to the tablet. quite nice. :)

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briand:

GreyFoxx: also, check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/ that's the home of the largest online Nokia tablet community. a wealth of knowledge there...

[17:18:10]

briand:

and a lot of the guys hang in #maemo on this network, as well...

[17:18:31]

GreyFoxx:

brian: Yeah I've been in that channel for weeks waiting for this to arrive and the forums :)

[17:18:48]

GreyFoxx:

just installing the diabloe SDK in a VM now for compiling my own stuff :)

[17:19:15]

briand:

cool deal. :) it's a nifty toy, to be sure.

[17:19:34]

briand:

i've had my n800 since late january... loving it.

[17:19:42]

GreyFoxx:

as for kismet, I just want it for detecting the networks :)

[17:20:06]

GreyFoxx:

I'll think about busting the WEP keys later ;)

[17:20:16]

briand:

i set up a transcode on my myth box so I can copy shows over to the tablet and watch them at work during breaks

[17:20:34]

briand:

(no wifi at the office, :sniff: :sniff:)

[17:20:45]

GreyFoxx:

that's originally why I was lookin for a portable video player

[17:20:53]

GreyFoxx:

and that evolved into one of these :)

[17:21:10]

briand:

well, now you have one. and it does lots more!

[17:21:46]

briand:

i used to use Canola, but it's not as efficient as just using mplayer directly.. so I removed it.

[17:22:14]

GreyFoxx:

I've noticed that mplayer doesn't seem to have as nice a vsync as the media player that came with it

[17:22:25]

GreyFoxx:

slight screen tearing not visible in the built in player

[17:22:32]

GreyFoxx:

same on a coworkers n800

[17:22:46]

GreyFoxx:

but mplayer handles more codecs and faster bitrates heh

[17:22:52]

briand:

really? I've not noticed that on mine.. which mplayer version are you using?

[17:23:13]

GreyFoxx:

[17:23:20]

GreyFoxx:

installed via maemo.org

[17:23:28]

GreyFoxx:

you?

[17:24:18]

briand:

...just ssh'd over to check. same one

[17:24:47]

briand:

there is an rc2 deb floating around somewhere for it, not in the repositories yet, tho

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briand:

i installed VideoCenter as well, and grab several 'internet tv' videocasts with it.. there's a way to set that program up to interface with myth as well, but i haven't done it yet.

[17:26:44]

GreyFoxx:

I'll have to check out mediastreamer

[17:26:58]

GreyFoxx:

I want to find a way to get upnp served content to mplayer heh

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briand:

i think it's in the diablo extras repository

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briand:

that'll do it. :)

[17:28:04]

GreyFoxx:

I see mediastreamer in garage.maemo.org, but it has a clinkc* deb listed as well but the sites doesn't include any info about them .... do I need both ?

[17:28:16]

briand:

the n8x0 won't handle high bitrate video directly from myth very well, but seems to do fine with the stuff i have transcoded

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briand:

i don't have that here, but i didn't install it from the garage, either.

[17:29:48]

briand:

mediastreamer is an official nokia software release... i'm surprised it's even in the garage

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GreyFoxx:

heh mediastreamer shows my mythbox, but wont display anything when I tell it to select it :)

[17:43:09]

GreyFoxx:

fun :)

[17:46:50]

briand:

hmm. i had no problems here... just tapped the entry, and it showed Recordings, Video, and Music ...

[17:47:32]

GreyFoxx:

just doing some packet caputres now

[17:48:01]

GreyFoxx:

what version of myth ?

[17:48:31]

briand:

svn from a couple weeks ago

[17:49:01]

GreyFoxx:

trunk or fixes ?

[17:49:16]

briand:

trunk.. hang on a sec.. i'll tell you exactly which revision

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GreyFoxx:

k

[17:49:51]

briand:

17789

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briand:

i don't think they've been monkeying much with uPnP lately, tho...

[17:50:33]

GreyFoxx:

daniel ported most of it to qt4 a few days ago

[17:50:44]

briand:

ah. well then...

[17:50:48]

GreyFoxx:

at least in libmythupnp

[17:51:26]

GreyFoxx:

any chance you could do a tcpdump on your master backend and launch mediastreamer then pick the mythbox just so it displays the music/recordings/videos?

[17:51:31]

GreyFoxx:

and send me the capture ?

[17:51:37]

GreyFoxx:

I'd like to compare it to mine

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briand:

i've not played with tcpdump before... but i'm willing to try it, sure.

[17:52:17]

GreyFoxx:

tcpdump -ns1500 -w upnp.pcap ip and host YOURNOKIAIPHERE

[17:52:34]

GreyFoxx:

then when you are done on the n810 hit CTRL-C and upnp.pcap should have what I need :)

[17:52:50]

briand:

okay.. hang on a sec

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GreyFoxx:

Thanks

[17:56:04]

briand:

what are these binary bits scattered throughout?

[17:56:24]

GreyFoxx:

?

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GreyFoxx:

Huh?

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briand:

in the capture file

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GreyFoxx:

You looking at a "strings upnp.pcap" ?

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briand:

no, just browsing it with `less`

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AndyCap:

briand: open it in wireshark

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GreyFoxx:

It is the raw packet, including packet headers and so on :)

[17:57:21]

AndyCap:

to make it more hooman readble

[17:57:47]

KjetilK:

I've got some severe stability problems since I upgraded to 0.21 (s.o. is sick and tired of it and just wants it out of the living room by now :-( )

[17:57:49]

briand:

this hooman hasn't wireshark installed. ;)

[17:58:09]

briand:

anyway.. 35K ..where do you want it, greyfox?

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GreyFoxx:

"strings upnp.pcap | less" is usually enough to get an idea

[17:58:22]

GreyFoxx:

brian: email, or dcc it to me, or whatever

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KjetilK:

the last frontend crashed dumped a backtrace though, which I guess could be sent somewhere, but I haven't found a bug tracking system for myth

[17:58:53]

GreyFoxx:

kjet: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac

[17:59:10]

KjetilK:

thanks GreyFoxx

[17:59:22]

KjetilK:

BTW, before I send something there, this is the first line:

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gbee:

stop hiding the bug tracker ;)

[17:59:33]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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KjetilK:

*** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythfrontend.real: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00007f5ecc00752f ***

[17:59:53]

KjetilK:

that looks like a bug in mythfrontend, right?

[18:00:58]

gbee:

yes, but without debugging symbols it's going to be hard (impossible) to find the cause

[18:01:43]

KjetilK:

hmmm, right

[18:01:45]

gbee:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

[18:02:39]

KjetilK:

hmmm, it'll take me months before I have time to do that :-(

[18:03:30]

gbee:

are you using the latest version of 0.21?

[18:04:14]

gbee:

stablity problems are few and far between with the latest stable version, in fact almost none are reported

[18:04:50]

KjetilK:

I have the one on Ubuntu 8.04, let me check what that really is

[18:05:28]

gbee:

usually the problem is unique to a particular setup, either it's not a genuine bug or it's a rare one triggered only by a certain combination of factors

[18:05:37]

KjetilK:

yup

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AndyCap:

do many people run myth on 64-bit?

[18:06:31]

KjetilK:

I haven't been able to play music continuously for more than 20 minutes before the frontend crashes, but yeah, I have seen a lot of weirdness with alsa

[18:06:43]

** KjetilK raises hand and looks at AndyCap **

[18:07:04]

KjetilK:

ii mythtv 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1

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KjetilK:

I suppose that means SVN revision 16838, whatever that means :-)

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AndyCap:

just that 64-bit still seems to tickle weird bugs in software that's not much used on that arch. :)

[18:09:06]

AndyCap:

not saying that is the case with MythTV.

[18:09:13]

KjetilK:

mmmm

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directhex:

a LOT of people run 64-bit generally

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KjetilK:

I saw a couple of hard crashes with 0.20 too, but nothing like this

[18:09:55]

gbee:

all the devs run 64-bit

[18:10:04]

AndyCap:

gbee: cool. :)

[18:10:28]

directhex:

as an example, of all people running debian with "popcon" installed, there are 5 i386 users to each amd64 user

[18:10:33]

directhex:

but that's a lot of people

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** AndyCap is still just testing the waters. **

[18:11:10]

directhex:

it's about 7:1 on ubuntu

[18:11:25]

** KjetilK is used to life on the bleeding edge, but lately, there is so little time for tinkering, and since this lives in the living room, it is subject to the requirements of others in the household... :-) **

[18:11:42]

gbee:

KjetilK: I don't use Ubuntu, but you should be able to install an application called Apport or something which catches crashes, creates usable backtraces for us and will submit the reports directly to the ubuntu bug tracker (where they get forwarded to us)

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briand:

my cat doesn't seem to care what I put in the living room (not that she'd have much sway, either way...)

[18:12:02]

KjetilK:

gbee: ok, cool

[18:12:06]

KjetilK:

hehe

[18:12:48]

KjetilK:

actually, I don't watch much TV, I do it mostly for the coolness of the tech :-)

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gbee:

it includes all the information we need, such as the last few lines of the log, the backtrace including debugging symbols and general system information (arch, OS version, hardware)

[18:13:15]

directhex:

#ubuntu-mythtv knows more about apport than most

[18:13:22]

justinh:

coolness of the tech in the same sentence as mythtv. not convinced here

[18:13:43]

gbee:

hey, what's that supposed to mean? ;)

[18:13:44]

briand:

KjetilK: given how it has taken me less than a year to get 1.5 TB of myth recording storage to 88% full, I guess I can say I don't watch as much television as I'm interested in....

[18:13:54]

KjetilK:

yeah, seems like I have it installed, it probably needs configuring

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KjetilK:

briand: hehe

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justinh:

gbee: if somebody had said 'useful' rather than 'cool' I'd be compelled to agree :)

[18:15:06]

briand:

I've got stuff that recorded more than 3 years ago that I haven't watched yet.

[18:16:09]

gbee:

justinh: heh, well maybe the 'cool' mythtv is the one I imagine at the end of all the changes I want to make

[18:16:15]

briand:

...it's the little newsbreaks at the end of the commercial breaks that really throw ya... until you realize you're watching something from a couple years back...

[18:16:21]

gbee:

rather than what actually exists right now

[18:16:45]

justinh:

I'd never associate 'cool' with much worth having but I know what you mean

[18:18:06]

justinh:

look at elisa, top of the media center (sic) hype charts for some time now ;)

[18:18:20]

KjetilK:

mythtv is clearly far beyond anything available in the "commercial" world, which is kinda cool

[18:19:18]

GreyFoxx:

briand: Honestly can't say. I have both on my machine

[18:21:00]

gbee:

justinh: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_mythgallery.png

[18:21:13]

gbee:

just to prove it ;)

[18:21:20]

justinh:

I think I'll have a look & see how much leave I have left to put a few days worth of slog into catching up with mythui

[18:21:48]

justinh:

oooo!

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justinh:

I take it the waste of space menu is hidden untl you want it now

[18:23:02]

jams:

gbee- whats the "u" in the upper right?

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briand:

GreyFoxx: 'k. well I'll sit down when I have a couple hours free, and figure out what's going on and fix it. did u get the file yet, and did it help?

[18:23:22]

gbee:

justinh: it's gone and has been for a while now, it's a proper popup instead

[18:23:26]

justinh:

jams: looks like text covered up by the image grid

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gbee:

jams: heh, the date

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jams:

ah

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justinh:

first thing I'll be ditching on many screens, all the 'waste of space' stuff like the current time/date

[18:24:40]

briand:

the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[18:24:49]

justinh:

eh?

[18:24:51]

briand:

i remember when the current date/time wasn't ON most of the screens...

[18:25:11]

justinh:

I remember when it was only on the menus ;)

[18:25:51]

justinh:

and I know for a fact I'll have to contend with "muhhh, but I have a HD screen which can happily render 2 point text, so why not have MORE information onscreen at one time?" ;)

[18:25:58]

gbee:

justinh: can just move it to the menus only, or position it differently on each screen, or get rid of it entirely

[18:26:08]

briand:

...which reminds me: is mythwelcome working yet in SVN? I haven't been following the maillist...

[18:26:15]

justinh:

gbee: I know ;)

[18:26:34]

justinh:

it's all about opt-outs AFAIK

[18:27:05]

gbee:

since I've not modified any of the themes, aside from the default that time is annoyingly visible behind the grid

[18:27:15]

justinh:

what I really wanna know is: who's going to do away with that damn fade?

[18:27:51]

gbee:

justinh: well I'm planning to make it theme configurable, or user configurable – I've not decided yet

[18:27:58]

justinh:

ah I remember the whole screenstack stuff is changing so maybe it'll be easier to abstract stuff

[18:28:01]

gbee:

plus I'll add some other transition styles

[18:28:31]

justinh:

is the thing that so many 2.0 users have been screaming for on the way? i.e. movement?

[18:29:49]

justinh:

jees I'm forgetting stuff. yes it is, just waiting in the wings. my bad

[18:30:22]

justinh:

maybe I'll have to eat my words & try linux on this laptop & get stuck in with some catching up already

[18:30:33]

gbee:

aye, though animation when switching between menu items is still some way from happening as I've a hundred more important things to do first

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directhex:

like learn to play the banjo?

[18:34:25]

justinh:

lol

[18:34:39]

justinh:

hmm Britain From Above looks like it might be interesting

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directhex:

maps.google.co.uk

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directhex:

HTH. HAND.

[18:40:44]

justinh:

since top gear finished last week, there's FA else on telly on a sunday night

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justinh:

infact there's so little on telly now I struggle to find stuff to record

[18:43:49]

directhex:

go play on your wii, then

[18:44:46]

dustybin:

wii fit

[18:45:12]

dustybin:

why cant i find this particular wifi card for sale in the UK: TP-link TL-WN651G

[18:45:24]

dustybin:

is it because it uses channels not suitable for the uk?

[18:47:08]

dustybin:

i found a place: http://svp.co.uk/

[18:47:12]

dustybin:

looks stodgy

[18:47:42]

justinh:

any wireless device can (so I've been informed) work on frequencies not allowed by law

[18:47:59]

dustybin:

k

[18:48:02]

justinh:

that, apparently is one of the reasons so many wireless drivers are binary blobs

[18:48:42]

dustybin:

aye indeed

[18:48:55]

justinh:

mind I only heard that from some geek at a linux expo so maybe it's bollocks

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gbee:

dustybin: what is it about that card which is so attractive anyway? The abilitity to work on non-standard channels or something else?

[19:04:51]

directhex:

justinh, it's the reason given by the companies behind them

[19:05:07]

directhex:

justinh, BUT, atheros, one of the main users of closed source userland, are making a new open stack

[19:05:55]

gbee:

it's not like we don't have ndiswrapper

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dustybin:

gbee: madwifi says its a good card

[19:15:38]

dustybin:

it will act as a AP for my firewall box

[19:16:48]

bsdfox:

justinh: the new open source atheros drivers (ath5k) let me crank txpower up from 18dBm to 27dBm :)

[19:17:25]

dustybin:

the world has gone mad: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7539944.stm

[19:17:33]

gbee:

dustybin: ahh, well I've found that a lot of cards work, even if you have to use ndiswrapper – I've a couple of Atheros and broadcom cards that work with open source drivers though

[19:18:28]

gbee:

dustybin: hmm, that's disturbing given the other recent event

[19:18:50]

dustybin:

indeed

[19:19:13]

dustybin:

gbee: i really need a card where the antenna can be unscrewed

[19:19:26]

bsdfox:

what other event?

[19:19:46]

gbee:

but then these things probably happen more often than we know but the media just doesn't report them all – the Greek case might not even have got a mention at all if it were for the one in Canada being all over the news first

[19:20:07]

dustybin:

true

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gbee:

dustybin: that's all of them no? I've never had a card, except PCMCIA, where I couldn't unscrew the antenna

[19:20:54]

gbee:

unless you mean that it will operate with no antenna attached

[19:20:56]

dustybin:

bsdfox: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7538503.stm

[19:21:07]

justinh:

that's the 2nd time a decapitation has featured in the news in as many days :(

[19:21:46]

directhex:

third time's the charm

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dustybin:

gbee: my pfsense firewall/router box will be in a cupboard so im going to connect a extension and antenna what sits outside the cupboard

[19:23:39]

dustybin:

after a lot of thought, i think the best way to wire up a 2 floor house is by using 2 switches, 1 for downstairs and 1 for upstairs and having 1 link what connects them

[19:23:44]

justinh:

wow a whole box just to be a firewall/router. you've been talking to somebody too much

[19:23:47]

gbee:

dustybin: well I'm no wifi expert but every card I've bought has a screw on antenna, most with one on a long cord instead of the card-adjacent versions

[19:23:58]

dustybin:

justinh: its a old PIII

[19:24:10]

justinh:

so? they don't pull only 5W from the mains

[19:24:28]

dustybin:

how many watts do they pull?

[19:24:36]

dustybin:

25?

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justinh:

maybe 20 times more

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dustybin:

thats ok

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** gbee had an old Celly 800 as a firewall/router/webserver but it died and was replaced with a much, much smaller and lower power hardware router/firewall for Â£25 **

[19:24:57]

justinh:

it's your leccy bill :P

[19:25:11]

dustybin:

hmmm

[19:25:19]

justinh:

I can#t even see my new router box

[19:25:20]

dustybin:

im having 2nd thoughts now

[19:25:34]

dustybin:

ideally id like a ultra low powered alix board

[19:26:08]

gbee:

so glad to have free'd up the spaced and the room is much quieter as a result too

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bsdfox:

dustybin: wtf

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dustybin:

im going to buy a kilo watt right now

[19:26:18]

bsdfox:

that's messed up

[19:26:25]

dustybin:

indeed

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bsdfox:

I love my kill-a-watt

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justinh:

no need for even that

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justinh:

any old plugin meter will do well enough

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dustybin:

im sure any of these will do the job

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dustybin:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_w_h_/202- . . . =15&y=25

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bsdfox:

kill-a-watt is cool cause it'll record the kilowatt hours used over long periods of time

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bsdfox:

so you can plug your computer in and see how it averages out over a week or so

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** justinh wonders how much the meter consumes itself :P **

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dustybin:

doesnt look like kill-a-watt make UK versions

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dustybin:

im going to get this one

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dustybin:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plug-Power-Energy-Mon . . . 6&sr=8-2

[19:38:36]

dustybin:

is its mentioned here also:

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dustybin:

as its

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dustybin:

http://www.reuk.co.uk/Kill-a-Watt.htm

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justinh:

my Â£15 meter is ace & I can so basic maths myself :P

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justinh:

don't need no steenking conscooter to make pretty graphs

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directhex:

just a slide rule and an HB pencil?

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leprechau:

brb....

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KjetilK:

I'm seeing "(LAMc) Partial Lock" when trying to access most of my channels, even some that should not be encrypted

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KjetilK:

what does this mean?

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justinh:

mahahaha. no need for mythtv anymore! http://hotukdeals.com/ – first item on the list

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justinh:

NOT

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jduggan:

heh

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onety:

hiya

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neztiti:

justinh:what u mean?

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styelz:

cheaper than tivo

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justinh:

ahh but, I bet tivo isn't as crashy as that junk microdirect are flogging :P

[20:08:42]

KjetilK:

at http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5188 I find someone mentioning that there is an option for MythTV to ignore encryption flags

[20:09:08]

KjetilK:

I find only something that says to not tune to encrypted channels, is that the same?

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scrutr:

hi, ive been encountering this weird issure when playing back recordings or live tv. What happens is that the video freezes (but the sounds continues to play)

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scrutr:

I can *unstick the video by pressing pause, waiting a while, and then unpausing it

[20:10:14]

scrutr:

but i was wondering if there is a way to prevent this issue altogether

[20:14:51]

styelz:

maybe a screensaver is kicking in

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dustybin:

now this is what i call a tshirt: http://www.linux.qlt.pl/microshit.gif

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styelz:

mum!

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scrutr:

i dont have a screensaver set

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justinh:

dustybin: for a 12-year old it's perfect!

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dustybin:

:P

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justinh:

here's mine: http://www.itiswhatitis.co.uk/zoom.php?Timage . . . tle=Contents

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styelz:

hehe

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scrutr:

>->

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justinh:

saw a nice one today said "comes in all sizes"

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styelz:

:O

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dustybin:

because mythtweb doesnt support gallery / photos, what other software could i run on my server so i can view my photos via web browser?

[20:47:53]

jduggan:

just bung them in a dir and browse to it ;)

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dustybin:

jduggan: you cannot preview anything

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dustybin:

and everything i click on is hi-res, so it takes ages

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dustybin:

when i redo my server, i might make some of it accessable to everyone

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dustybin:

like a public section

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dustybin:

instead of using crap like flickr for holiday snaps, ill host them myself

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justinh:

coppermine?

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justinh:

how the hell in the world did Marcus Brigstocke end up on kids telly?! WTF?!

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jblack:

justinh: PeeWee herman had a kid's show...

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jblack:

and George Carlin _narrated_ a children's show

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justinh:

whoah now that IS scary

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KjetilK:

I'm writing my DVB-C provider to ask about info that could help me tune the channels, but I don't know exactly what I should be asking for...

[21:10:31]

justinh:

btw folks when was the last time anybody read this? "but I wanted to have more than just a PVR . I want a web browser built in, a mail client, maybe some games". what happened? ;)

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** KjetilK read it an hour ago while looking for the bug tracking system :-) **

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justinh:

hmmm gmail do POP now don't they? I could actually use an email reader from time to time

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jblack:

I might be wrong on the kid's show. I was pretty sure I heard and saw him on a kid's show, but I don't see it in imdb

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jblack:

AHA! Found it. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098910/

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justinh:

hahaha he was the narrator of the US version of Thomas The Tank Engine

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justinh:

better than Ringo, that's fer shir

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dustybin:

what would be the best way to seperate my private workings of my server, including mythbackend, X11, mail server, etc with a public section what is accessable to everyone, maybe running web server + gallery software etc?

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dustybin:

should i use 1) another machine, 2) a vm, 3) chr00t

[21:17:42]

KjetilK:

I prefer physical machines if I have physical space for it...

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justinh:

personally I wouldn't make any home machine accessible to the plebernet

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dustybin:

i dont like the idea that IF the public section got hax0r'd somone could wipe my entire server

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justinh:

cretins, stealin my upstream.. pfft

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justinh:

dustybin: probably a VM

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dustybin:

ill need to think about it

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jblack:

i doubt providing public access to recorded tv is legal.

[21:19:13]

** KjetilK has a plan to set up a VPN, open the Wifi AP, and consider both the Internet connection, and whatever is on the wifi "outside" **

[21:19:16]

dustybin:

physical would be better but a waste of leccy as usual

[21:19:41]

KjetilK:

I don't have anything public here right now, but if I had, it would reside in a DMZ

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jblack:

WEPping up a network is probably sufficient, legally speaking.

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dustybin:

DMZ sounds like a good idea

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dustybin:

DMZ and another physical box

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KjetilK:

jblack: yeah, but I want to keep an open Wifi, since Sharing is Good :-)

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jblack:

heh. Until 3 peple realize you're public, and blow out your connection with bittorrent.

[21:20:46]

justinh:

sharing is bad

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KjetilK:

dustybin: yeah, that's what I would do

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justinh:

in the light of recent lawsuits, sharing IS bad

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jblack:

Then you get to deal with the RIAA cease and desist letters.

[21:21:20]

dustybin:

if you share your wifi, you are responsible for any content they might be downloading

[21:21:24]

KjetilK:

yup, but there is always bandwidth throttling

[21:21:34]

** KjetilK is in Norway, things are not that bad yet **

[21:21:36]

jblack:

dustybin: No, actually, the RIAA runs from those cases.

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justinh:

there's always just like um... get your own fscking internet, FREELOADING HIPPIES!

[21:21:52]

dustybin:

hmm

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gbee:

justinh: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/mythui_mythgallery2.png

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jblack:

A public wireless AP is actually a usable affirmative defense.

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justinh:

:-

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KjetilK:

the police has been fudding open wifi, but legally, they don't have a leg to stand on

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justinh:

:-O

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justinh:

gbee: ^^

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dustybin:

surely it wouldnt take much to dos open wifi

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KjetilK:

but then, it doesn't take much to break WEP...

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jblack:

Heh. It doesn't take more than a pair of wire cutters to DOS electric power.

[21:23:39]

KjetilK:

:-)

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dustybin:

:-0

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KjetilK:

_insulated_ wire cutters :-)

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jblack:

Yes. Insulated wire cutters are preferred.

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wire:

I really should change my name

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directhex:

yeah

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KjetilK:

:-D

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directhex:

try xyxyxyxyxyxyxyxyx

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directhex:

nobody would casually use that

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** dustybin is surrounded by evil geniuses **

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wire:

it is only this channel though

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jblack:

I hate my neighbor. I can't help but notice their phone line junction box is in my driveway...

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KjetilK:

heh

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justinh:

see what you did? dmz thought he was gonna end up in somebody's house, locked in a cupboard. bless

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KjetilK:

dmz just quit silently after his nick got mentioned ;-)

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KjetilK:

naaah, the dmz would be in the closet ;-)

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jblack:

OH great. So you plan on leaving yourself vulnerable to a self-dos by winter coat?

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KjetilK:

:-D

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justinh:

carelessness, aka coats covering old computer hardware acting as servers... causes fires

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** KjetilK wonders if his recent upgrade to the latest 0.21-fixes fixed his instability problems, it has run for hours now **

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KjetilK:

yeah

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KjetilK:

my public boxes is actually in a appropriately cooled server room at my previous employers

[21:29:24]

KjetilK:

whereever you are, make sure you befriend the sysadmins! :-)

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justinh:

do they know? ;)

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KjetilK:

sysadmins know

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KjetilK:

I left more than a year ago, but it doesn't take much traffic, and it has 500+ days of uptime, so they don't mind

[21:30:36]

KjetilK:

management probably doesn't know, but they never set foot in there

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jblack:

So you don't have written permission.... That's a little risky.

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KjetilK:

naaah, they are reasonable people

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jblack:

does anyone know how monitor stands work with LCD panels?

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gbee:

?

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gbee:

they stop them falling over

[21:38:46]

jblack:

Sorry. The hanging ones with arms. How they attach.

[21:39:43]

jblack:

My new 22" lcd monitor that I use for myth has a fixed stand, and it's not working too well for me because I'm lower than the monitor. I want a way to vertically rotate it downwards.

[21:41:57]

jams:

they bolt onto the back of the LCD. Most LCD's are vesa 80 or vesa 100 compatible.

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: it doesnt take any more to 'DOS' closed wifi

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is flood the frequency band with noise

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wagnerrp:

jblack: if got a horizontally articulating one that i installed in the RV

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wagnerrp:

you can rotated it vertically, but there are thumb screws you have to loosen

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dustybin:

i hope my sister wont mind 2x servers and a firewall/router box running 24.7

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wagnerrp:

there was a plate we bolted to the wall

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dustybin:

at home

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wagnerrp:

and the stand just hangs on the plate

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dustybin:

would freebsd make a good webserver os ?

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wagnerrp:

introduce them slowly, or use them to provide something of worth for her

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wagnerrp:

i run freebsd on my server

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dustybin:

im all excited, private and public = another box :)

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black_13:

how do i set up mysql for mythtv usage

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dustybin:

and its sitting under my desk waiting for action :)

[21:56:44]

wagnerrp:

actually, i run freebsd on my webserver, my firewall, my network controller...

[21:56:45]

black_13:

i believe i am having user/password/account problems

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dustybin:

black_13: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/

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wagnerrp:

black_13: look around any of the documentation for a 'grant all on mythconverg.*' command

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black_13:

thanks

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: do you run pfsense?

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: no, i run straight PF

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dustybin:

jeeze

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: only a evil genius would be capable of doing that :P

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wagnerrp:

its not that difficult to patch together a config file

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GreyFoxx:

PF isn't pretty straight forward

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wagnerrp:

i have rebuilt the firewall from scratch and had it fully functional in 3 hrs

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black_13:

wagnerrp, there does not seem to be a database called mythconverg

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: what about if your running 4 NICs and you want to DMZ 1 of the NICs and load balance some traffic, and do a a bit of CARP (whatever that is)

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wagnerrp:

thats on a 800MHz P3, where the kernel recompile took an hour

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wagnerrp:

never used CARP

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wagnerrp:

but i do load balancing with 6 static IPs

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dustybin:

jeeze

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wagnerrp:

desktop gets an IP, laptop gets an IP, web/ftp has an IP, mail has an IP, everything else shares another

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wagnerrp:

black_13: well then you have to create said database

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dustybin:

</social.engineering>

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wagnerrp:

the documentations detail how to do so

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Dagmar:

Bah, only losers read the documentations

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wagnerrp:

yeah, real men create the database using a hex editor

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Neogi:

lol

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black_13:

would that be the command "mysql < mc.sql" ?

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wagnerrp:

that should do it

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wagnerrp:

i dont remember if you have to create the database beforehand though

[22:03:49]

black_13:

i was not able to find that file on my fc9 box

[22:04:03]

wagnerrp:

that file comes packaged with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

probably in /usr/share/mythtv

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black_13:

there is definitely a directory of /user/share/mythtv but no such file as mc.sql

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black_13:

the docs say it should present for fedora but version 6

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Dagmar:

`find /usr -name mc.slq`

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wagnerrp:

find /usr/share/mythtv | grep .sql

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Dagmar:

er mc.sql

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black_13:

it seems to be missing

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Led-Hed:

So whats the best HD solution for Myth? Firewire capture from Cable Box, or a Capture/Frame Grabber?

[22:09:46]

GreyFoxx:

firewire of course

[22:09:56]

GreyFoxx:

out of the two you listed

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Led-Hed:

ok, that makes life easy.

[22:10:06]

GreyFoxx:

followed by HD-PVR from a settop box

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Led-Hed:

GreyFoxx, If using the HD-PVR do you have to re-encode the Video if you want to save it in MPEG2?

[22:11:31]

wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

well... yes and no

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Led-Hed:

so theres gonna be a lotta CPU overhead on my backend

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wagnerrp:

the file is saved as an mpeg2 TS isnt it?

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Led-Hed:

I dont know

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wagnerrp:

well regardless of the container, it only encodes to h.264

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Led-Hed:

I'm fine with storing the video in MPEG2, and I know HD is natively MPEG2, but I'm not sure if the HD-PVR will just take and store the MPEG2 stream to disk or if you have to re-encode

[22:14:05]

Dagmar:

It only encodes to h.264.

[22:14:37]

Dagmar:

If you want your recordings "in MPEG" you will have to transcode each and every one of them.

[22:15:13]

Led-Hed:

dagar, will Myth play them as h.264?

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Dagmar:

Yes, mostly provided you have enough CPU power.

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Led-Hed:

on the Frontend?

[22:15:56]

Dagmar:

If you're thinking this is something you can just throw some money at and have working tomorrow tho, forget it.

[22:16:02]

wagnerrp:

myth does not play anything on the backend

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Led-Hed:

I know

[22:16:19]

Dagmar:

The drivers are simply not in that state, and you'd have to use Myth trunk from SVN which is a whole nother ball of wax

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Led-Hed:

I have a 4 tunner (PVR-250) Backend w/ 8 frontends currently

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Led-Hed:

Dagmar, so re-encoding is the only solution

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black_13:

so where is the mc.sql file?

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wagnerrp:

mine is /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql

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Dagmar:

black13: One last time, type `find /usr -name mc.sql`.

[22:18:55]

wagnerrp:

if it legitimately is not on your system, grab the official download from the mythtv website

[22:19:01]

Dagmar:

If it doesn't turn up, go yell at the people who made your MythTV binary packages because they @#$@#ed you.

[22:19:25]

black_13:

dagar, its not there

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wagnerrp:

of course that could result in database schema mismatch if the fedora package is based off fixes

[22:19:34]

Dagmar:

black_13: Don't make me repeat mysqld.

[22:19:42]

Dagmar:

s/mysqld/myself/;

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wagnerrp:

that was interesting

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Led-Hed:

lol

[22:20:46]

Led-Hed:

so when capturing via Firewire from a STB, what format is the video in?

[22:21:32]

Dagmar:

Whatever format your cable provider was sending it in

[22:22:01]

Dagmar:

Generally it's "fucking miracle" format because almost all cable providers have that turned off.

[22:22:13]

Led-Hed:

so most likely that will also require re-encoding as well?

[22:22:22]

Dagmar:

No, most likely it would require moving to the Bay Area.

[22:22:31]

Dagmar:

That's one of the few places left where you can actually do that.

[22:23:03]

Led-Hed:

ok, so I'm a little lost. Is HD not an option for MythTV?

[22:23:12]

Dagmar:

It's an option.

[22:23:21]

Led-Hed:

but is it practicle

[22:24:19]

Dagmar:

From the type of questions your asking, I'd say probably not.

[22:24:47]

Led-Hed:

what does that mean? If I were asking different questions then it would be?

[22:28:25]

wagnerrp:

broadcast HD works fine, just fine

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SHADOW__X:

you do have a lead head

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wagnerrp:

but no one has developed a really functional mechanism for cable HD (in the US)

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wagnerrp:

ATI has their cablecard tuner

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Led-Hed:

SHADOW__X, no, Its much harder than that.

[22:29:19]

wagnerrp:

but its only available for vista, and then only to OEMs

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

i do firewire from my stb

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black_13:

Dagmar, the file was present in the source tarball sorry to be hardheaded thanks for you help

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wagnerrp:

and beyond that, i heard ATI got out of the tuner business anyway

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, thank you.

[22:30:02]

Led-Hed:

exactly the info I was looking for.

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wagnerrp:

the HD-PVR changes that

[22:30:58]

wagnerrp:

but hauppauge only provides drivers for windows

[22:31:01]

Led-Hed:

Reading about it on the wiki now.

[22:31:17]

Led-Hed:

Time to port Myth to Windows? :)

[22:31:21]

wagnerrp:

it has some amount of overheating problems (i havent heard anything of that recently, so that may be fixed)

[22:31:32]

wagnerrp:

the linux drivers are of alpha quality

[22:31:54]

Led-Hed:

is Hauppauge planning on developing Linux drivers?

[22:32:07]

wagnerrp:

and it still goes digital-analog-digital, resulting in quality loss

[22:32:17]

wagnerrp:

has hauppauge ever released linux drivers for anything?

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Led-Hed:

not that I'm aware of

[22:32:42]

Dagmar:

They _say_ they're going to, but they never have that I've noticed.

[22:33:17]

Dagmar:

I think this "intention" of their is what has been going on, with them telling a developer on the net "Hey, could you write a driver for this is we send you one?"

[22:33:55]

Led-Hed:

so my chances of watching the Discovery Channel HD on my Myth is almost zero, But OTA broadcasts are possible.

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wagnerrp:

i think part of the issue is that they want the drivers open source, and part of the kernel

[22:35:04]

wagnerrp:

but since they use 3rd party chips, they are not legally able to do so

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Dagmar:

Hence, _from the questions you were asking_ it was a no

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I think they really gave the finger to someone on the HD-PVR

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Dagmar:

Either that or we've been set up.

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wagnerrp:

how so, i havent really been following it

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black_13:

where can i found out if my hauappauge 25012 is usable by mythtv ?

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wagnerrp:

what is a hauppauge 25012?

[22:37:44]

wagnerrp:

seems to be some revision of the PVR-150

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wagnerrp:

that card is relatively painless to get working

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black_13:

wagnerrp, this is an oem card its a low profile pvr-150 for set top boxes

[22:39:50]

Dagmar:

If it's a low-profile PVR-150 then it's still a PVR-150.

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black_13:

i thought so

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black_13:

lspci shows this 00:12.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416)

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black_13:

mythtv-setup is ask for the name of the video device

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wagnerrp:

have you installed the ivtv drivers yet?

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black_13:

oops

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black_13:

wagnerrp, i have installed the ivtv firmware

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black_13:

do i need to install a kernel module or something else as mythtv setup is not showing a probed device

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black_13:

hear is what dmesg shows http://rafb.net/p/z2qCkT20.html

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Led-Hed:

wagnerrp, do you know if there are any HD capture cards that support Clear QAM, and have linux support?

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Mandriva2008user:

can't get this to work in install on mandriva 2008 :

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Mandriva2008user:

cd database

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Mandriva2008user:

mysql -u root < mc.sql

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directhex:

any, y'know, SPECIFIC errors?

[23:27:46]

jpabq:

Led-Hed, I have been using the HD-PVR to record HD off of my Directv H20 in Myth for over well over a month. However, it is still not 100% stable. The occasional recording will fail. That being said, when it works it is awsome!

[23:28:09]

directhex:

Led-Hed, plenty, AFAIK

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Mandriva2008user:

bash: mc.sql: No such file or directory

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Mandriva2008user:

thats about it

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Led-Hed:

directhex, ok, to Cable HD + MythTV is possible, just not the encrypted channels

[23:29:11]

Led-Hed:

to=so

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directhex:

not without CableCard, no

[23:30:10]

Led-Hed:

directhex, is there any linux supported cablecard?

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Mandriva2008user:

i guess this would be the first thing i need to fix; bash: cd: database: No such file or directory

[23:30:17]

directhex:

no, never.

[23:30:23]

Led-Hed:

ok

[23:30:28]

jpabq:

Led-Hed, Right. If the channel is not encrypted *and* it is available via QAM, then you can record it with a QAM tuner.

[23:31:05]

directhex:

Mandriva2008user, do you have the faintest idea what you're doing? do you know what "cd" actually does?

[23:31:58]

jpabq:

Sorry, I have not gone back and read this discussion, but... Your best option to record HD is via ATSC using an antenna. Next best option is via QAM but very little is unencryped. Next best option is to use the HD-PVR.

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Mandriva2008user:

yes but where is database? the install guide doesnt say

[23:32:16]

jpabq:

We are talking USA, right?

[23:32:41]

Led-Hed:

jpabq, ya

[23:33:23]

jpabq:

Okay, so what channels are you hoping to receive?

[23:33:51]

jpabq:

Linux HD-PVR drivers should/might make it into the 2.6.28 kernel.

[23:33:54]

Led-Hed:

I finally have more HDTV's than SDTV's now. So I was thinking of doing an upgrade to my backend to support HDTV. Problem is that I doubt I will get much of a signal (OTA) where I am, So cable (QAM) is the only real option.

[23:34:17]

Mandriva2008user:

ok does anyone know where mc.sql is in mandriva?

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jpabq:

So little is unencrypted via QAM, that you will probably be disappointed.

[23:34:41]

jpabq:

You should be able to get your locals, though.

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Led-Hed:

Mandriva2008user, find / -name mc.sql

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Led-Hed:

jpabq, I would be happy with just ABC, CBS, NBC, and FOX. Would be extatic if I could get History and Discovery Channel

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Mandriva2008user:

omg thank you you are a godsend

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jpabq:

If you don't mind living on the edge, the HD-PVR (or http://pvrcompanion.com/) works.

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Led-Hed:

jpabq, what kind of hardware is required for playback?

[23:36:49]

jpabq:

In the last six weeks, I have use the HD-PVR to record almost 100 hours of History/Discovery in myth.

[23:37:04]

jpabq:

playback is the trick!

[23:37:15]

jpabq:

you need a FAST CPU, right now.

[23:37:32]

Led-Hed:

Most of my frontends are underclocked AMD Bartons

[23:38:04]

jpabq:

There are projects to make it possible to playback this stuff using mulitple threads, and your video cards GPU, but they are still months away from working.

[23:38:27]

jpabq:

You need at LEAST a 2.4GHz Core 2 duo

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jpabq:

And you will be much happier if you have a 3.0GHz Core 2 duo

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Led-Hed:

jpabq, so Multi Cores arent supported.

[23:39:11]

jpabq:

Not yet, but it is coming.

[23:39:12]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: No, they're not very _well_ supported

[23:39:27]

black_13:

directhex hey is the following output a good thing http://rafb.net/p/z2qCkT20.html

[23:39:32]

Dagmar:

x264 is already starting on multi-core support, and that's the main one to be worried about for h.264 playback.

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** Led-Hed goes to Newegg **

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directhex:

black_13, no idea, i don't do analog

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jpabq:

Led-Hed, intel just dropped the price on the E8500. That would be a very good playback cpu.

[23:40:18]

Dagmar:

black_13: No, that's very bad.

[23:40:20]

Led-Hed:

OMG. E8500, I was thinking e2160

[23:40:29]

Dagmar:

How you can interpret a bunch of "Failed to initialize" messages as "good", I've no idea.

[23:40:33]

black_13:

black_13, whats up then?

[23:40:51]

jpabq:

I use a E8400. It can playback stuff fine. However, if I want to playback with timestretch enabled (say 1.25x normal speed), then I must overclock the E8400

[23:40:53]

bsdfox:

Led-Hed: I have a e2140 that's slightly overclocked that can playback HD

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Dagmar:

v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw is not loading apparently.

[23:41:24]

jpabq:

bsdfox, H264 HD? or just mpeg2 HD?

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Led-Hed:

I really dont want to spend more than $125 per frontend.

[23:41:34]

bsdfox:

h264

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black_13:

Dagmar, good enough

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bsdfox:

I was using the BBC 1080 stuff to test

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Led-Hed:

Damn, that means these things are gonna be loud too.

[23:42:32]

jpabq:

The BBC 1080 stuff is sliced, so it can take advantage of multiple cores. the stuff from the HD-PVR is not sliced, so (right now), it can only be decoded by one core.

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** Led-Hed rethinks going HD **

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Dagmar:

black_13: IF that's a PVR-150, then it should be loading.

[23:43:04]

jpabq:

Led-Hed, the core2 process actually run very cool. My frontend is virtually silent.

[23:43:22]

Led-Hed:

my current frontends are silent, 1 is completly passive

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Dagmar:

black_13: Make sure you have 9b39b3d3bba1ce2da40f82ef0c50ef48 v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw

[23:43:39]

Dagmar:

That's what I'm loading here on my PVR-500.

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bsdfox:

jpabq: I tested it before the multicore h264 update came out

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Dagmar:

They're supposed to use the same firmeware

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[23:43:57]

Dagmar:

If your md5sum doesn't match, time to dig around a bit for new firmware.

[23:44:36]

Led-Hed:

This might be doable, the AMX x2 4600 is $58

[23:44:41]

jpabq:

I am using one of these http://www.silentpcreview.com/article194-page1.html on my frontend with a very slow spinning fan.

[23:45:00]

Dagmar:

Led-Hed: Yeah, I bought an X2 4800+ last month because it was basically my cheapest option

[23:45:09]

Dagmar:

Freakin' $55.

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Led-Hed:

jpabq, Thats almost as much at the CPU I was gonna but. LOL

[23:45:28]

Led-Hed:

Dagmar, and it can handle H.264

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Dagmar:

Led-Hed: The _core_ speed is important mainly for us

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Dagmar:

Don't get a 2.0Ghz core. Get a 2.4Ghz core

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Dagmar:

That's the thing to watch for.

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jpabq:

Right. 2.4Ghz is pretty much the minimum.

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Led-Hed:

Maybe a faster Single Core, like the LE line

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Dagmar:

You don't want 2.5 or 2.3 or 2.7 either.

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Led-Hed:

whys that?

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Dagmar:

Because of the resulting clock multiplier for the memory bus

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Led-Hed:

was just looking at the 45w CPUs

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Led-Hed:

dagar, Ahh, good point

[23:47:20]

Led-Hed:

sorry keep getting the wrong name with autocomplete.

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Dagmar:

I couldn't stand my gaming desktop having less power than the myth box

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Led-Hed:

lol

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Dagmar:

...and it was just $55.

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Led-Hed:

Intel is out. Anything > 2.4GHz is over $120

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** Led-Hed prefers AMD anyway **

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jpabq:

Led-Hed, another issue is commercial flagging. If you don't mind them taking forever, then your backend can be very weak. However, if you want real-time commercial flagging then your backend also needs to be more powerful.

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Led-Hed:

jpabq, I dont do Commercial Flagging

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Led-Hed:

Never had much luck with it.

[23:52:56]

jpabq:

Depends on the channel, for me.

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Led-Hed:

Compared to my old Replay-TV (Which was +95% accurate)

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jpabq:

The Replay-TV also depended on the channel/show, for me.

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Led-Hed:

I must have gone 3 years without ever watching a commercial. :)

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Dagmar:

About the only thing that would help commflagging right now is a way to bind it to only mark 30s blocks +/- 2s

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jpabq:

....and probably missed 5% of each show ;-)

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Led-Hed:

I loved my Replay-TV, Still miss it, because it was so simple to use.

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jpabq:

They are now in the software business. You could run their stuff on a Windows box, if you want to

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Led-Hed:

so what kind of Video card do I need for playback, Will a onboard nvidia 6100 do the trick?

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Dagmar:

The Java controls for those were fun

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Led-Hed:

ya, I had my Replay pretty well hacked up. Larger drives, and used my PC as a Backend.

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jpabq:

yup

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jpabq:

Can't answer about the video card. Probably works, but I have no experience with it.

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Dagmar:

It *should* have XvMC support

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Led-Hed:

jpabq, what are you running?

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Dagmar:

PureVideo support is another matter

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jpabq:

my frontend has a nvidia 7300 in it.

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Led-Hed:

ahh, ok.

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Led-Hed:

I have a bunch of AGP 6200 in my frontends currently, They work well

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jpabq:

Since you don't like intel, it does not matter, but intels latest integrated graphics work fine with myth — or so I am told.

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