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| [00:00:15] | lwizardl: | hehe nice |
| [00:00:30] | lwizardl: | anyone surround sounds? |
| [00:00:57] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl out of 3 items its the apple one that I have some concern for when it can't just get its own channels anymore but .. we'll just see if I can have something worked out by any deadlines then you know ^_^ |
| [00:01:07] | black_Nightmare_: | you asking me lwizardl? |
| [00:01:16] | lwizardl: | yes |
| [00:01:43] | black_Nightmare_: | well if I can decide on a used but nice receiver I'll like to figure out a 4.1 setup at the least :p |
| [00:02:04] | lwizardl: | i've got a denon avr1506 7.1 dts with a polk audio 260watt 12" powered sub with built in amp |
| [00:02:40] | black_Nightmare_: | would help (a LOT) to mingle some of the mess of different audio cables going to different places (not to mention I think there's at least 4 or 5 sets of 2.0 speakers around here that could be all killed for just two central setups (4.1 in one room and 2.0 in another) |
| [00:03:23] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl nice .. one of the recent ad I've just looked at now is a kenwood one that nicely has 2 coaxial digital on top of other items I like of it — dunno if I can get it now tho |
| [00:04:00] | lwizardl: | mine only has 1 coaxial digital and 1 optical toslink |
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| [00:04:12] | Dagmar: | Screw using optical toslink |
| [00:04:54] | lwizardl: | but I can't have my surround sound past -33 and the sub over 1/2 power or I get complaints from my neighbors |
| [00:05:07] | lwizardl: | dagar, sounds nice until i get hdmi audio |
| [00:05:12] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl heh well I'll prefer coaxial myself anyhow (and beside thats the only source for digital audio from my computer anyhow, I don't think I even have any optical digital port anywhere around here :/ ) |
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| [00:06:15] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, hehe i've got like 9 devices using toslink hooked into 2 switch boxes |
| [00:06:40] | black_Nightmare_: | well if you want look this is what one local person is selling for $150cad OBO http://inform3.kenwoodusa.com/manuals%5CVR6070.pdf |
| [00:06:52] | black_Nightmare_: | 9? heh sounds like you have more heap of av items than me |
| [00:06:53] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
| [00:07:18] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, yeah i'm a theater junkie |
| [00:07:44] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl well for me I don't really spend much time there so just have enough to do with |
| [00:08:04] | black_Nightmare_: | not interested in audio too much so no amplifier, etc decks for me ;) |
| [00:08:19] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, hehe i watch tv, play games, watch movies, etc from that setup |
| [00:08:53] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl you have game consoles? |
| [00:09:02] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, though after watching dark knight in imax my system doesn't sound/look as good as it did before watching that movie |
| [00:09:16] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, just about everything |
| [00:09:33] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: 8k digital will do that to you |
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| [00:10:23] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp true on that |
| [00:10:32] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl so you have some cartridge-based ones in there? :p |
| [00:10:33] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, 3x xbox360 consoles (usa, german, japanese), ps3, wii, gamecube, xbox, jaguar, 3d0, saturn, ps1, ps2, nes, nes (top loader), snes, genesis, sega cd, dreamcast, etc etc |
| [00:10:38] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, yes |
| [00:11:46] | ** black_Nightmare_ looks at you and wonder if you are even for REAL! ** | |
| [00:12:10] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, yup the advertisments before the movie said 45ft tall, 70ft wide screen, 40 12" speakers for about 7000 watts, stadium seating, air conditioned |
| [00:12:13] | black_Nightmare_: | what kind of salary do you have especially for these xbox360's? :p |
| [00:12:56] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think 360 games were region locked |
| [00:12:59] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl either way ... |
| [00:13:13] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, hehe the usa system i got for free from Pepsi (every10minutes.com promotion well cost me $20 in pop), the german system cost more $120, and the japanese cost me $260 |
| [00:13:53] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, not all are, japanese games and some eu games like the german games such as bioshock, darkness, saints row, etc |
| [00:14:17] | kali67: | hello, in mythv 0.21 I'm trying to enable user jobs and I see them in the job queue, how can I get them to start as soon as a recording ends ? this was the default in 0.20 and I can't find the option anywhere |
| [00:14:28] | wagnerrp: | i mean i thought there was no locking |
| [00:15:05] | black_Nightmare_: | snes (2 cartridges, staying that way me think), some n64 games and pieces (still looking for a good n64 itself, ram expansion optional), dreamcast (still wishing to expand it a bit more), several atari 2600 games from a garage sale (only $4 for whole thing so go figure) that I dunno if I want bother trying play them or just resell break-even to some atari collector-player in this area |
| [00:15:27] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, my gamertag on xbl http://profile.mygamercard.net/lwizardl%20xbl |
| [00:15:28] | black_Nightmare_: | and not counting 3 playstation games (they're actually running in emulator on mac) |
| [00:16:18] | lwizardl: | i've got a n64 and the bung enterprises v64 cd-rom addon for it |
| [00:17:23] | lwizardl: | when i get moved into my new place I'll setup all my games again and take pictures to prove I'm not bs'ing |
| [00:17:28] | lwizardl: | :) |
| [00:17:31] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well I've looked at the Wii and some games for it for a while but there's still two nagging pre-purchase questions I still haven't figure out so don't think I'm going to be interested for a while |
| [00:17:38] | black_Nightmare_: | ^_^ |
| [00:17:56] | lwizardl: | i waiting in walmart for 48 hours to get my wii on launch date |
| [00:18:17] | lwizardl: | i was #3 person to get my wii in battle creek, mi from walmart |
| [00:18:22] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I walked into Fry's on launch day and bought one withou waiting ;) |
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| [00:18:55] | black_Nightmare_: | the jaguar..was it that dual-processor thing that never caught on well due to many games only using one side? and the 3D0 oddly I think I heard of the story about that but what was it again? |
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| [00:19:35] | lwizardl: | basically the one of the first cd based consoles |
| [00:20:44] | black_Nightmare_: | ah...but..I thought..oh wait.. did you mean the first to have intergrated cd drive? (as there was that sidecar-style cd drive addon for..ugh I forgot which sega console) |
| [00:20:44] | lwizardl: | 32-bit, you had to daisy chain the controllers into each other for mutliplayer games. rumored to be named 3do because the royality cost was $3 per disc only |
| [00:21:14] | lwizardl: | the 3do came out in like 1992–1993ish |
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| [00:21:37] | lwizardl: | and that was called the Sega CD or Mega CD depending on the country |
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| [00:21:55] | black_Nightmare_: | ahh yeah the sega cd thing |
| [00:22:03] | black_Nightmare_: | plugged into expansion port on bottom of the console itself |
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| [00:23:37] | black_Nightmare_: | either way lwizardl what do you have for controllers/etc for the Wii? |
| [00:23:52] | lwizardl: | well you had to remove the black cover from the side of the console, then the red edge connector cover, and then plug in the system. sega had 2 versions of it the original version sat under the genesis, and the 2nd version sat beside the genesis |
| [00:24:04] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, 2 wiimotes, and about 13 games |
| [00:24:41] | lwizardl: | thats about it my console has a flaw with the network adapter so i can't get onto wiiconnect24 for like smash bros brawl |
| [00:24:59] | lwizardl: | (can't send in for repair either since its chipped for imports) |
| [00:25:21] | wagnerrp: | cant pick up a wired adapter? |
| [00:25:29] | lwizardl: | nope won't work |
| [00:25:41] | wagnerrp: | neither wireless nor wired work? |
| [00:26:11] | lwizardl: | about 1/4 of the launch consoles has an issue with networking that nintendo has to remove a part and replace it with a new one to fix the issue |
| [00:26:18] | lwizardl: | nope tried it |
| [00:26:46] | wagnerrp: | really, id not heard of the networking issue |
| [00:26:50] | lwizardl: | used the adapters on my nephews system and connected with his first try |
| [00:26:55] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well for me if I finally resolved things I might had taken a Wii with composite&component cables, 3 or 4 wiimotes (and one rifle adapter to use at times too), usb modem, any SD stick on sale at local store, and that probably would be it ;) |
| [00:27:06] | wagnerrp: | of course my roommate's wii was hardly ever online |
| [00:27:18] | wagnerrp: | but then it was hardly ever on unless we had company |
| [00:27:22] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, just like some of the wii consoles can't play brawl because of it being dual layer disc |
| [00:27:41] | black_Nightmare_: | if you're wondering why I want these two cables...its so it could connect about just anywhere (both old tv like at grandmother's and new one like well any friends'/etc you know) |
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| [00:28:08] | wagnerrp: | well the progressive scan does help some |
| [00:28:11] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, the system comes with the composite cable only |
| [00:28:29] | lwizardl: | you have to buy the component cable separately |
| [00:28:46] | lwizardl: | atleast I had to |
| [00:28:55] | black_Nightmare_: | thats ok...I was just refering to what kind of full setup I would had eventually wanted ;) |
| [00:29:30] | black_Nightmare_: | probably at least five or six seperate packages to open :p |
| [00:29:35] | lwizardl: | yeah i had issues with the sensor bar moving while we was playing bowling so i just used some velcro to fix that issue |
| [00:30:15] | black_Nightmare_: | actually to think about it do you know if the Wii could do mono audio? |
| [00:30:29] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, that receiver you can get for $150? sounds like a nice start |
| [00:30:39] | wagnerrp: | bowling doesnt use the sensor bar |
| [00:30:57] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah it is..I'll just have to figure if I can find the $ (or see if seller would want to make a trade) tho .. but then we'll just have to see ^_^ |
| [00:31:08] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, you can select the audio output mono, stereo, surround |
| [00:31:26] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, i have to have it connected or it won't read the wiimote |
| [00:32:09] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl heh nice .. because to start with grandmother's larger tv is rather old enough its just well ah.. coax-in, composite-video, composite-monoaudio .. the remote quitted functioning anymore long time ago |
| [00:32:14] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt, the wire is nothing more than a power line |
| [00:32:53] | wagnerrp: | if you wanted, you could just toss out the sensor bar, and embed a couple of LEDs in the top corners of your TV |
| [00:33:00] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, exactly i've seen people make the sensor bar wireless using batteries. |
| [00:34:11] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl not sure how much my could-like-one Wii setup might cost even at current value heh go figure :p |
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| [00:35:44] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl one reason I liked the dreamcast was from its still-well-going 56konlinegaming community |
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| [00:39:46] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm blah is videohelp.com the only good general site of its kind? a lot of the reviews/etc are outdated (mainly to point of 404 product links) |
| [00:40:20] | wagnerrp: | black_Nightmare_: i prefer doom9 myself |
| [00:40:33] | wagnerrp: | but thats more geared towards content generation, than playback |
| [00:40:54] | wagnerrp: | maybe avsforum |
| [00:42:13] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm I could use doom9 perhaps tho .. thanks for both suggestions I'll look :p |
| [00:43:13] | black_Nightmare_: | just asking but you know of anyone still making svcd's or the like of wagnerrp? |
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| [00:46:12] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, i've always liked the dreamcast |
| [00:46:34] | lwizardl: | i've keep my dreamcast since the 9-9–99 launch date |
| [00:47:13] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl hehe thats interesting date :p |
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| [00:47:25] | lwizardl: | brb taking a picture of what i haven't boxed up yet |
| [00:47:41] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl anyhow mine need a second or even third controller .. one more vmu .. 2–3 sega rumble paks (meh) .. and I'm still looking for a few more games |
| [00:47:44] | black_Nightmare_: | then it'll be completed |
| [00:47:52] | wagnerrp: | well i still come across SVCDs of relatively new movies on P2P networks |
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| [00:48:01] | wagnerrp: | newest ive seen is a few months old |
| [00:48:57] | wagnerrp: | although DVD5 copies are far more common |
| [00:49:25] | wagnerrp: | no one bothers to make (S)VCDs anymore because DVD burners and media is so damned cheap |
| [00:51:39] | wagnerrp: | ive not seen BDR or HDDVDR copies yet |
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| [00:53:11] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, i've not seen them for sale yet but I've seen lots of online versions |
| [00:53:30] | wagnerrp: | seen what for sale? |
| [00:53:49] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well I often have several around (this is why I keep nice individual stacks of highspeed cdrw's) ... then again its easier for me to burn cd's |
| [00:53:59] | black_Nightmare_: | usually its homemade or 30–1hr tv shows |
| [00:54:07] | black_Nightmare_: | 30min* |
| [00:54:14] | wagnerrp: | well... thats what mythvideo is for |
| [00:54:16] | lwizardl: | BDR/HDDVDR videos |
| [00:54:30] | wagnerrp: | like retail bootlegs? |
| [00:54:36] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [00:54:47] | wagnerrp: | ah, im not in an area where that is common |
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| [00:55:02] | lwizardl: | me neither |
| [00:55:03] | wagnerrp: | i see plenty of rips, but none that are intended to go back onto burnable media |
| [00:55:09] | lwizardl: | but i've seen lots of rips |
| [00:55:20] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [00:55:25] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well actually some of these tv cdrw's I play on the laptop while at sleepover or so tho so ^_^ |
| [00:56:09] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, http://wizardsarcade.com/tvs/ |
| [00:56:13] | wagnerrp: | black_Nightmare_: again, just use the original file, rather than the burned, media player compatible version |
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| [00:56:35] | wagnerrp: | im sure youve got a few spare GB on your laptop |
| [00:56:46] | wagnerrp: | and it can handle at least divx |
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| [00:57:45] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, thats just the stuff I have yet to pack up for my move to the new place |
| [00:57:50] | black_Nightmare_: | actually no.. its 2GB storage (usling larger would flake out a good function of its controller as some people have already experienced) and its just an older processor as well |
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| [01:04:25] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl nice |
| [01:05:27] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp then again its pretty much the only 10"-sized laptop I have been able to find on a budget so figured (at least the photos/etc are easily stored on the SD card in lower pc slot) |
| [01:06:32] | wagnerrp: | batman forever... tsk tsk... |
| [01:06:38] | black_Nightmare_: | hm I like these 'whats your system configuration' threads .. might have to remember to post mine there when I've finally got it done |
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| [01:07:56] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, yeah i was looking for the dvds but everyone wants 14.99 each for them so i just got the vhs versions back out before i went to see dark knight |
| [01:08:22] | black_Nightmare_: | like how large is your vhs pile if at all? ^_^ |
| [01:08:27] | wagnerrp: | well batman forever wasnt bad, but they really went downhill with batman and robin |
| [01:08:42] | lwizardl: | night before i seen dark knight i watched every batman movies i owned |
| [01:09:51] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, hmm i started recording saturday morning cartoons in 1988 and about 2001 I got a dvr so i'd have to guess about 1–2k vhs tapes I own mostly recorded stuff tho |
| [01:10:29] | black_Nightmare_: | lwizardl heh...thats a lot to stack :) |
| [01:10:35] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, i've been slowly either converting them into dvd videos or grabbing the box sets on dvd or torrents |
| [01:10:45] | lwizardl: | black_Nightmare_, all packed up currently thank god |
| [01:10:56] | lwizardl: | excpet the like 20 left to pack |
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| [01:11:35] | black_Nightmare_: | me humm well I think like 35–40 tapes (and probably still very slowly growing) beside a good several recorded tapes (most are home videos, especially one of me at just a few years old :">) |
| [01:11:57] | ** black_Nightmare_ has '#1 mickey mouse' tape too .. aside to also another # too ... quite old yeah :p ** | |
| [01:12:09] | wagnerrp: | never bought any tapes |
| [01:12:15] | wagnerrp: | but ive got a hundred or so recorded ones |
| [01:12:25] | lwizardl: | i have a few of those also family videos like fishing trips, etc |
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| [01:14:49] | black_Nightmare_: | well I'm off for now so bye till next time both of you ok? ;) |
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| [01:22:47] | lwizardl: | anyone ever soundproofed a room before? |
| [01:23:04] | wagnerrp: | not proofed, but dampened |
| [01:23:23] | wagnerrp: | of course dampening results in proofing |
| [01:23:26] | lwizardl: | did you do just the walls? |
| [01:23:43] | Dagmar: | depends on whether or not you care about the downstairs/upstairs neighbors |
| [01:23:52] | lwizardl: | well dampening means to limit the sound that goes into other rooms |
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| [01:24:00] | wagnerrp: | the floor is covered in thick carpet |
| [01:24:16] | wagnerrp: | the walls have about a foot and a half of plenum space, with an inner wall |
| [01:24:18] | Dagmar: | It's sort of one-stop shopping now if you actually want to get serious about it |
| [01:24:28] | wagnerrp: | with layered fabric |
| [01:24:33] | lwizardl: | well i want to limit the audio from entering the lower floors |
| [01:24:40] | wagnerrp: | everything in the room is covered in foam |
| [01:24:50] | Dagmar: | So the "cheap" option is foam |
| [01:25:02] | wagnerrp: | actually, this is the excessive option |
| [01:25:05] | Dagmar: | You *could* use the pink egg-holder stuff, but it's not very flame retardant |
| [01:25:12] | wagnerrp: | this room has no reverberation |
| [01:25:17] | Dagmar: | If you want to be seriosu about it, you basically get to add a new floor |
| [01:25:23] | Dagmar: | Google for "Green Glue" |
| [01:25:33] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: Celotex on the floor covered with carpet works very well too. Celotex is normally an insulator used before putting up house siding...it is black, usually. |
| [01:25:42] | wagnerrp: | acoustic testing of turbine exhaust chevrons |
| [01:25:48] | Dagmar: | Basically, it's stuff you apply to wall or floor panels, as a sandwiched layer, and once it sets you're pretty much done |
| [01:25:57] | lwizardl: | dagar, i don't want to add a new floor I just want to limit my audio system from fully entering the lower levels of the house |
| [01:26:13] | Dagmar: | Then you don't have a lot of options |
| [01:26:31] | wagnerrp: | how tall is the room? |
| [01:26:33] | Dagmar: | Super-cheap would be to cover the floor in an extra layer of area rugs, hopefully shag |
| [01:26:40] | lwizardl: | dagar, i've got roughly 700watts for normal audio plus a 260watt powered sub w/ built in amp |
| [01:27:17] | Dagmar: | http://www.greengluesoundproofing.com/?gclid= . . . 0RnQodyxmYSQ |
| [01:27:23] | Lexridge: | You will not be able to eliminate bass frequencies very well. They are non-directional. |
| [01:27:43] | Dagmar: | 'bout the only thing you can do against subwoofers is make damn sure they're on spongy feet |
| [01:27:55] | Dagmar: | Hard plastic feet do a great job of conducting sound |
| [01:27:57] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, 7.5ft tall, 13 ft 2 inchs x 13ft |
| [01:28:15] | wagnerrp: | so adding a raised floor isnt really an option |
| [01:28:30] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, exactly |
| [01:31:56] | lwizardl: | dagar, spongy feet? |
| [01:32:20] | Dagmar: | Yes. Feet as in the things the box sits on and spongy as in soft. |
| [01:32:36] | lwizardl: | where would I find them at? |
| [01:32:45] | lwizardl: | the feet on my subbox are hard |
| [01:32:50] | Dagmar: | Hardware stores. Toy stores. Find something squishy and make feet out of it. |
| [01:33:09] | lwizardl: | oh ok that i could do |
| [01:33:13] | Lexridge: | lwizardl: Just set it up on foam rubber pads. |
| [01:33:14] | wagnerrp: | with that much weight, simple feet arent going to make a difference |
| [01:33:17] | Dagmar: | Those synthetic tubes kids play with in swimming pools are just about made for it |
| [01:33:20] | Dagmar: | ...and they're cheap |
| [01:33:24] | wagnerrp: | youve got to spread out the load to get any kind of dampening |
| [01:33:25] | Lexridge: | or styrofoam |
| [01:33:40] | Dagmar: | Styrofoam is a bit rigid but would be better than hard plastic |
| [01:34:13] | Lexridge: | yea, foamrubber is his best solution. |
| [01:34:35] | Dagmar: | I've got 1" slices of one of those aforementioned pool toys under my subwoofer, and it's on a shelf (not on the floor) |
| [01:34:46] | Dagmar: | I try not to irk my neighboars |
| [01:34:51] | lwizardl: | well we have to replace the carpeting in the new house anyway so I was going to look for some think carpet that i'm ok with the color (no blue, white, yellow, or pink) |
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| [01:35:21] | lwizardl: | dagar, my current neighbors are ok with my audio as long as i don't go overboard |
| [01:35:33] | lwizardl: | i've had my subwoofer on at 2am without complaints |
| [01:36:00] | lwizardl: | but anything more than -33 audio and 1/4 dial on sub and they complain |
| [01:36:29] | lwizardl: | my receiver goes from -50 to +20 |
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| [01:36:43] | wagnerrp: | my amplifier goes up to 11 |
| [01:37:07] | Dagmar: | My reciever has some kind of auto-calibration thing that is, um, unpleasant to listen to working |
| [01:37:14] | Dagmar: | ...but it works |
| [01:37:15] | lwizardl: | my reciever is my amp |
| [01:37:31] | Dagmar: | The white noise tests are godawful |
| [01:37:38] | lwizardl: | Denon AVR1506 |
| [01:38:12] | lwizardl: | yes the static white noise are anoying to have to listen to while setting up and adjusting |
| [01:38:14] | Dagmar: | Sony DDW790. |
| [01:38:37] | lwizardl: | i've never had any luck with sony products |
| [01:38:42] | wagnerrp: | its annoying, but you have to do it all of once |
| [01:39:06] | lwizardl: | i've had brand new tv died after owning it for 91 days |
| [01:39:16] | lwizardl: | wagnerrp, i'll have to redo it when i move |
| [01:39:31] | wagnerrp: | well once per installation |
| [01:39:35] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [01:42:59] | squish102: | at least now they automatically do it, and u dont have to do it with a sound meter |
| [01:45:22] | lwizardl: | yeah but I still use the stock one produced by my reciever then i use avia or hd essentials to finish the calibration |
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| [02:57:46] | Chase: | Can anyone help me out, I am putting up some docs and I forget where the backend db settings are configured |
| [02:57:51] | Chase: | is it in mythtv-setup? |
| [02:58:05] | Chase: | or does it have to be hand edited in .mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [02:58:19] | wagnerrp: | all backend configuration is done from within mythtv-setup |
| [02:58:36] | wagnerrp: | if that mysql.txt, or the newer xml based file, do not exist |
| [02:58:50] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup will ask for the information and generate them on the next run |
| [02:59:09] | clever: | mythtv-setup didnt ask when i ran it without a mysql.txt |
| [02:59:17] | clever: | it simply spewed db errors and closed |
| [02:59:29] | wagnerrp: | heh, well thats unfortunate |
| [02:59:37] | clever: | but it only took seconds to copy my mysql.txt over and fix it |
| [02:59:41] | wagnerrp: | i thought it asked for them |
| [02:59:50] | clever: | i beleive you must set them in mythfrontend |
| [03:00:13] | clever: | but that probly wont even run until mythtv-setup preps the database |
| [03:00:25] | clever: | though in my case the db was allready preped and in use |
| [03:00:33] | wagnerrp: | well it will try to run just fine |
| [03:00:41] | wagnerrp: | it will just complain of a lack of backend |
| [03:02:19] | wagnerrp: | well backing up to hard disk is still painfully slow |
| [03:02:28] | wagnerrp: | but its painfully slow with no user intervention |
| [03:02:28] | clever: | http://www.cybersam.org/images/pictures/Mars_to_Earth.jpg |
| [03:02:51] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to the 70 DVD swaps that would have otherwise been required by this much space |
| [03:03:14] | clever: | i have a 40pin ide cable |
| [03:03:19] | wagnerrp: | whats the glow |
| [03:03:21] | clever: | i get 10mb/sec on half my drives |
| [03:03:34] | clever: | that image is from mars, with earth in the center |
| [03:03:41] | wagnerrp: | right... but whats the glow |
| [03:03:47] | clever: | posibly sunrise maybe |
| [03:03:56] | clever: | i didnt read ##astronomy that closely when it was posted |
| [03:04:20] | wagnerrp: | im currently getting 35MB/s over eSATA over samba |
| [03:04:34] | clever: | i got 40 to 48mb/sec from my 80pin pata cables |
| [03:04:51] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you should try to use those proper cables more often |
| [03:05:02] | clever: | i didnt even know i had a 40 in there |
| [03:05:10] | clever: | and didnt know of the difference when i set the box up |
| [03:05:16] | wagnerrp: | you should know more about your hardware |
| [03:05:22] | clever: | i do now |
| [03:05:36] | clever: | and ive rearranged the system to put the primary swap on the 80 |
| [03:05:41] | clever: | so it will swap 4 times faster |
| [03:05:48] | ** wagnerrp uses no swap ** | |
| [03:05:58] | clever: | dont have that choice |
| [03:06:05] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 499092k used, 17080k free, 13260k buffers |
| [03:06:06] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 562880k used, 1236348k free, 139224k cached |
| [03:06:22] | wagnerrp: | thats a lot of memory used |
| [03:06:32] | clever: | i blame java |
| [03:06:37] | Dagmar: | Jesus man what are you doing with that box? |
| [03:06:37] | clever: | its got 105mb resident |
| [03:06:49] | Dagmar: | That's actually quite a bit of memory in use |
| [03:07:00] | wagnerrp: | 1.05GB |
| [03:07:36] | wagnerrp: | my memory is all always in use, but usually 60–80% is just disk cache and other buffers |
| [03:07:40] | Dagmar: | Putting the swap on a separate drive that's doing more or less nothing else is a pretty decent technique |
| [03:07:53] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I've got 2Gb in my devel box, so it's just lots and lots of disk cache |
| [03:08:06] | Dagmar: | Especially when I'm working on it I'm usually NOT in front of it, I'm ssh'd into it. |
| [03:08:14] | Dagmar: | So, X isn't running, etc etc |
| [03:08:26] | clever: | i put 2 new sticks into this box a few years ago |
| [03:08:32] | clever: | the bios bitched at me for using bad ram |
| [03:08:40] | clever: | it can play wave files thru the onboard sound:P |
| [03:08:51] | clever: | i changed it back |
| [03:08:55] | clever: | and the harddrive overheated |
| [03:09:06] | wagnerrp: | my test box only has 512MB, but even then i only have to occasionally give it swap when compiling something |
| [03:09:09] | clever: | the drive now overheats and stops working after about 3 hours of use |
| [03:09:12] | wagnerrp: | of course its network boot |
| [03:09:18] | wagnerrp: | so giving it swap is horribly painful |
| [03:09:37] | clever: | only netboot without swap is the c2d with over a gig of ram |
| [03:09:47] | clever: | all the other netboots have a local hdd for swap |
| [03:10:03] | wagnerrp: | 'over a gig', like 2GB? |
| [03:10:20] | clever: | that area |
| [03:10:23] | clever: | i dont remember exactly |
| [03:10:48] | clever: | i havent used it much lately |
| [03:10:53] | wagnerrp: | well its usually a power of two, or at least it should be (for dual channel's sake) |
| [03:11:00] | clever: | yeah |
| [03:11:03] | wagnerrp: | 512MB/1GB/2GB/4GB/... |
| [03:11:10] | clever: | or the sum of 2 powers of 2 |
| [03:11:19] | clever: | 128+128+512+512 |
| [03:11:26] | wagnerrp: | can you do that? |
| [03:11:37] | clever: | if you had 4 slots i dont see why not |
| [03:11:41] | clever: | 2 matching pairs |
| [03:11:50] | clever: | each a dual channel pair |
| [03:12:09] | clever: | but ive never looked that closely into dual channel |
| [03:12:23] | wagnerrp: | ive learned over the years not to bother with 'maybe's |
| [03:12:57] | clever: | also some of my systems are sharing the ram with the video |
| [03:13:22] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 411060k used, 105112k free, 14956k buffers |
| [03:13:22] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 451240k used, 1347988k free, 139320k cached |
| [03:13:23] | wagnerrp: | ive only got one machine like that, my frontend/secondary-backend |
| [03:13:29] | clever: | closed the java hog up |
| [03:13:45] | wagnerrp: | youre still using nearly a GB of memory |
| [03:13:56] | clever: | wagnerrp: thats not posible, i only have 512mb:P |
| [03:14:16] | wagnerrp: | swap still counts as memory, even if its not RAM |
| [03:14:31] | clever: | mythbackend has a virtual size of 210mb |
| [03:14:39] | clever: | libs,swap,residentmemory |
| [03:14:50] | clever: | debug info cant be helping |
| [03:15:13] | clever: | dont need the frontend open |
| [03:15:15] | clever: | tv isnt even on |
| [03:15:39] | wagnerrp: | my server, running a backend, two different webservers in dedicated VM, and half a dozen other full and partial VMs is only taking about 1GB of memory |
| [03:15:50] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 435324k used, 80848k free, 16260k buffers |
| [03:15:51] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 380640k used, 1418588k free, 158224k cached |
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| [03:16:13] | clever: | i have a set of apache threads, mythtv, gnome,mysql, misc other stuff |
| [03:16:51] | clever: | and had a pair of Xorg's |
| [03:17:01] | wagnerrp: | well im not running gnome, only enlightenment |
| [03:17:11] | wagnerrp: | Xvnc rather than Xorg |
| [03:17:15] | clever: | Mem: 516172k total, 419128k used, 97044k free, 17632k buffers |
| [03:17:15] | clever: | Swap: 1799228k total, 299356k used, 1499872k free, 176024k cached |
| [03:17:21] | clever: | Xvnc4 and Xorg is what i had |
| [03:17:34] | clever: | Xvnc4 has java and a full gnome session |
| [03:17:44] | clever: | Xorg has just a metacity and mythwelcome |
| [03:19:06] | wagnerrp: | Mem: 481M Active, 796M Inact, 594M Wired, 57M Cache, 213M Buf, 38M Free |
| [03:19:23] | clever: | my total swap is a little high atm |
| [03:19:25] | wagnerrp: | inactive is basically memory that the OS hasnt bothered freeing yet |
| [03:19:37] | clever: | i deleted a 700mb ntfs on the 80pin ide cord to speed up my swap |
| [03:19:43] | wagnerrp: | active and wired are the only ones of real consequence |
| [03:19:50] | clever: | but 700mhz is a little small so im running the old(slow) swap as backup |
| [03:20:18] | clever: | Active: 270884 kB |
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| [03:20:31] | clever: | dont see wired |
| [03:20:37] | wagnerrp: | different OS |
| [03:20:40] | clever: | ah |
| [03:20:54] | clever: | Active: 253784 kB |
| [03:20:54] | clever: | Inactive: 99836 kB |
| [03:21:35] | DinkyDogg: | hey, can anyone help me figure out why my frontend doesn't show up? |
| [03:21:42] | DinkyDogg: | i'm running a remote frontend |
| [03:21:47] | DinkyDogg: | and it connects to the database, |
| [03:21:51] | DinkyDogg: | but no frontend pops up |
| [03:22:03] | DinkyDogg: | dinkydogg@Holly:~$ mythfrontend |
| [03:22:04] | DinkyDogg: | 2008-07–29 20:15:28.048 Using runtime prefix = /usr, libdir = /usr/lib |
| [03:22:04] | DinkyDogg: | 2008-07–29 20:15:28.355 XScreenSaver support enabled |
| [03:22:04] | DinkyDogg: | 2008-07–29 20:15:28.355 DPMS is active. |
| [03:22:04] | DinkyDogg: | 2008-07–29 20:15:28.356 Empty LocalHostName. |
| [03:22:04] | DinkyDogg: | 2008-07–29 20:15:28.356 Using localhost value of Holly |
| [03:22:06] | DinkyDogg: | 2008-07–29 20:15:28.362 New DB connection, total: 1 |
| [03:22:13] | DinkyDogg: | and then nothing |
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| [03:35:22] | iamlindoro: | Ooof, in the topic where is says "use pastebin.ca," it means actually *use* pastebin.ca |
| [03:37:10] | DinkyDogg: | oh, sorry |
| [03:37:44] | iamlindoro: | mythfrontend -v all will tell you where it chokes, more specifically |
| [03:38:11] | DinkyDogg: | thanks |
| [03:38:20] | DinkyDogg: | (for what it's worth, i pastebin'd it now: http://pastebin.ca/1086758) |
| [03:38:29] | DinkyDogg: | http://pastebin.ca/1086758 |
| [03:38:31] | iamlindoro: | It's worth something :) |
| [03:40:07] | DinkyDogg: | i pastebin'd the results of running it with -v all |
| [03:40:22] | iamlindoro: | ok... so what's *that* address? (they change when you change them... |
| [03:40:36] | DinkyDogg: | oh |
| [03:40:37] | DinkyDogg: | heh |
| [03:40:41] | DinkyDogg: | didn't know that |
| [03:40:45] | DinkyDogg: | http://pastebin.ca/1086761 |
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| [03:42:37] | iamlindoro: | try something real quick... mythfrontend -d |
| [03:42:42] | DinkyDogg: | k |
| [03:42:59] | DinkyDogg: | still no go |
| [03:43:03] | DinkyDogg: | same output as with no arguments |
| [03:43:14] | DinkyDogg: | and doesn't pop up the frontend |
| [03:44:09] | iamlindoro: | ok, and you have a) verified ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt to be correct for the frontend user, and that /etc/mysql/my.cnf has bind-address set to a real address on the backend? |
| [03:44:42] | DinkyDogg: | i used the frontend's graphical configuration thing it pops up if it can't connect |
| [03:44:48] | DinkyDogg: | i haven't changed either of those two files yet |
| [03:44:53] | iamlindoro: | check both |
| [03:44:56] | DinkyDogg: | ok |
| [03:45:06] | iamlindoro: | if your backend has bind-address set to localhost or 127.0.0.1 it'll never work |
| [03:45:17] | DinkyDogg: | already fixed that on the backend |
| [03:45:22] | iamlindoro: | needs to be a real IP, then restart mysql (if you needed to change anything) and try again |
| [03:45:34] | rcampbel: | hey – how come my OSD (blootube OSD) is shows a resolution of 640x480 – can I change an OSD's specificed resolution / aspect ratio? I record 4:3 analog, and stretch display to 16:9 – I don't want OSD to be stretched... |
| [03:45:54] | iamlindoro: | rcampbel: the OSD wil be rendered at the resolution of your video |
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| [03:46:07] | iamlindoro: | and stretch as your video is stretched |
| [03:46:18] | wagnerrp: | if youre using the qt rendered, it will be stretched/skewed/whatever right along with the video |
| [03:46:39] | rcampbel: | video isn't stretched, I'm just doing a zoom, OSD... however is stretched |
| [03:46:56] | rcampbel: | I'm using opengl |
| [03:47:30] | Lexridge: | Dagmar: I found my dvb tuning problem, perhaps. After such zero success, installed w_scan, and it reported there was no dvb driver loaded, or in use, which is wasn't....... |
| [03:47:31] | iamlindoro: | No you're not |
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| [03:47:41] | iamlindoro: | you may be using the gl menu renderer, but not the video one |
| [03:47:57] | rcampbel: | iamlindoro: right |
| [03:48:19] | iamlindoro: | so, like wagnerrp and I said, the OSD will render at the resolution of your video, no more or less |
| [03:48:33] | iamlindoro: | and if you zoom or stretch the video, so too will your OSD |
| [03:48:45] | Lexridge: | dagmar: The only module I have loaded to apparently represent dvb of any sort, is dvb-core. Any ideas? What dvb modules do you have loaded? |
| [03:48:45] | iamlindoro: | anyway, ladyfriend here, time to go |
| [03:48:59] | rcampbel: | hmm... so that's a downside of hdtv monitor and analog recordings... |
| [03:49:37] | iamlindoro: | rcampbel: Try the opengl video renderer and metallurgy-wide OSD |
| [03:49:39] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro...out! |
| [03:49:46] | wagnerrp: | have fun |
| [03:52:22] | wagnerrp: | agh... samba keeps reporting duplicate files |
| [03:52:28] | wagnerrp: | so as i try to copy a directory |
| [03:52:35] | wagnerrp: | windows tries to copy it twice |
| [03:52:41] | wagnerrp: | and then prompts for overwrite |
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| [04:04:38] | Lexridge: | Is anyone on this channel using the cx18 driver? I'd like to know what dvb modules you have loaded. |
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| [04:17:32] | wagnerrp: | heh... xkcd is a good one |
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| [04:22:15] | SHADOW__X: | anyone else see this deal |
| [04:22:18] | SHADOW__X: | http://www.compusa.com/applications/searchtoo . . . MEM090-_-GPS |
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| [04:31:31] | wagnerrp: | i see it, i dont know if its really much of a deal though |
| [04:32:16] | wagnerrp: | i read the atom kits were going for <$75 |
| [04:32:27] | wagnerrp: | the rest of the parts can be had for <$75 as well |
| [04:32:47] | SHADOW__X: | hmm well some deals are hit or miss then |
| [04:32:48] | wagnerrp: | of course i wouldnt trust anything to a power supply that cheap |
| [04:32:49] | SHADOW__X: | :( |
| [04:33:10] | wagnerrp: | its not a barebones system, its fully built |
| [04:33:22] | wagnerrp: | and i will admit that its uncommon to find a fully built system at market price |
| [04:34:17] | wagnerrp: | although i wont touch an atom until they develop better parts to go long with it |
| [04:34:19] | SHADOW__X: | yup yeah i didnt think of that i just saw that it was atom |
| [04:34:27] | SHADOW__X: | i wouldnt do atom myself just yet anyway |
| [04:34:51] | wagnerrp: | its absolutely rediculous that the processor (under full load) uses <8% of the total system power |
| [04:35:51] | wagnerrp: | and besides, the atom is currently incapable of unaccelerated HD AVC decoding |
| [04:36:02] | wagnerrp: | i would wait for the dual core version for a frontend |
| [04:37:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the baseline Atom kit is $75 |
| [04:37:56] | wagnerrp: | its also disappointing that Intel only allows a single PCI expansion slot |
| [04:38:45] | wagnerrp: | only 10/100 lan |
| [04:39:04] | wagnerrp: | only VGA, no digital outs |
| [04:40:17] | wagnerrp: | its only a 2D chip, no hardware 3D/opengl support |
| [04:42:13] | SHADOW__X: | hmm |
| [04:42:18] | SHADOW__X: | so alot of limitations |
| [04:42:31] | wagnerrp: | a lot of limitations currently |
| [04:42:50] | SHADOW__X: | do you think thats to get atom out of desktop market |
| [04:42:54] | wagnerrp: | a good deal of those should be changed when they move to the U15W and GMA500 |
| [04:42:59] | SHADOW__X: | for specific enthousiates |
| [04:43:21] | wagnerrp: | the atom doesnt compete with the baseline core2 |
| [04:43:24] | wagnerrp: | completely different market |
| [04:43:29] | SHADOW__X: | oh ok |
| [04:43:48] | SHADOW__X: | what does it compete with |
| [04:43:57] | wagnerrp: | embedded via systems |
| [04:44:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know why they wouldnt allow a PCIe x1 or x4 card |
| [04:44:42] | wagnerrp: | but i imagine they dont want a x16 because they dont want to have to manage the power draw that would go along with a performance graphics card |
| [04:47:19] | SHADOW__X: | ah |
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| [04:53:07] | wagnerrp: | woot is unresponsive, they must have released the BOX |
| [04:53:10] | wagnerrp: | BOC |
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| [04:58:19] | SHADOW__X: | it works for me |
| [04:58:21] | SHADOW__X: | it loads |
| [05:00:59] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont know what happened |
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| [05:36:37] | SHADOW__X: | gn all |
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| [05:47:25] | fryfrog: | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/cautionary.png |
| [05:47:58] | fryfrog: | even xkcd makes fun of teh gentoo :) |
| [05:50:17] | clever: | lol |
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| [05:55:46] | clever: | i found a new bug in mythfrontend |
| [05:55:57] | clever: | the timestamp in the OSD doesnt update anymore |
| [05:56:04] | clever: | it just shows the time when the osd came up |
| [05:56:26] | clever: | iamlindoro: sounds like what you mentioned in #mythtv 2 hours ago |
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| [05:59:40] | clever: | MythTV Version : 17928M |
| [05:59:40] | clever: | MythTV Branch : trunk |
| [06:05:03] | aaargh: | it seems that my box is only using the other core when watching HD dvb broadcast, even though I have selected to use 2 cores at the decode setup. Should I expect similar loads on both cores? |
| [06:05:36] | fryfrog: | aaargh: i think it only uses it for codecs that can do it |
| [06:05:43] | fryfrog: | my guess would be h/x264 stuff mainly? |
| [06:05:51] | fryfrog: | or maybe as you say, dvb stuff |
| [06:06:08] | fryfrog: | there wouldn't be much point in using 2 cores for xvid/divx/non-hd mpeg2/etc |
| [06:06:11] | fryfrog: | is that what you mean? |
| [06:07:16] | aaargh: | fryfrog: yes, x264 from dvb source |
| [06:08:19] | aaargh: | it's a little jerky, and it's just the test screen from the cable company. colour bars. |
| [06:08:22] | fryfrog: | how do you get x264 from dvb? |
| [06:08:57] | aaargh: | because the cable company sends it (dvb-c) |
| [06:09:19] | fryfrog: | neat |
| [06:09:25] | fryfrog: | where do they do this? |
| [06:09:40] | aaargh: | one has to pay for it, ofcourse. But they provide a test channel for free... |
| [06:09:43] | aaargh: | finland |
| [06:09:58] | fryfrog: | thats pretty sweet |
| [06:10:14] | fryfrog: | is it h264 though? that'd be the "legit" one i think? |
| [06:10:27] | aaargh: | I don't know if they have more than one real channel for HD |
| [06:10:33] | wagnerrp: | h.264 is the format, x264 is the encoder |
| [06:10:42] | aaargh: | + Beijing special channel |
| [06:10:53] | aaargh: | hmmm. wait for a while |
| [06:11:45] | clever: | ahh yes that bug |
| [06:11:55] | clever: | i cant cancle any recordings on 8/11 |
| [06:12:03] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [06:12:07] | aaargh: | 2008-07–30 08:17:58.476 AFD: Looking for decoder for H264 |
| [06:12:08] | aaargh: | 2008-07–30 08:17:58.476 AFD: Opened codec 0x7f5d5c0b2920, id(H264) type(Video) |
| [06:12:08] | clever: | and i suspect the cause is daylight savings time again |
| [06:12:11] | aaargh: | 2008-07–30 08:17:58.523 [h264 @ 0x7f5d763e0fb0]B picture before any references, skipping |
| [06:12:16] | wagnerrp: | oh |
| [06:12:17] | clever: | i create a rule with 1 dst mode |
| [06:12:27] | clever: | then the master applys it with another dst mode and the override never matches |
| [06:12:29] | aaargh: | fryfrog: that should be h264? |
| [06:13:11] | aaargh: | fryfrog: atleast it's about 6GB/h, when the normal mpeg2 SD broadcast is "just" 2GB/h |
| [06:14:55] | clever: | oops! |
| [06:15:05] | clever: | one of my slave backends has been in the wrong timezone since i made it |
| [06:15:11] | aaargh: | fryfrog: again, just for the color bars. Not planning to pay for the real channels, if the color bars channel (with the moving TEST HD "sign") is jerky... |
| [06:15:13] | clever: | no idea how it ran jobs |
| [06:15:42] | wagnerrp: | well it should run jobs just fine, just not recordings |
| [06:16:03] | wagnerrp: | since jobs are not scheduled, just queued |
| [06:16:07] | clever: | how is it even finding recordings |
| [06:16:17] | clever: | mythfrontend cant find shit if the timezone is off by an hour |
| [06:16:18] | wagnerrp: | from the file name |
| [06:16:26] | clever: | the starttime converts wrongly |
| [06:16:44] | clever: | the job queue doesnt contain filenames |
| [06:17:12] | clever: | my current problem was that the jobs where scheduled to run as now(), which acording to the slave was in the future |
| [06:17:18] | clever: | an export on TZ fixed that |
| [06:17:31] | wagnerrp: | the slave shouldnt do anything until the master backend tells it to |
| [06:17:43] | wagnerrp: | at which point it no longer matters at what time it is |
| [06:17:52] | clever: | the slave seems to start transcodings without the master telling it anything |
| [06:17:53] | wagnerrp: | (speculation) |
| [06:18:12] | clever: | 2008-07–30 02:27:40.073 JobQueue: Skipping 'Transcode' job for chanid 1045 @ 20080704195800, this job is not scheduled to run until 2008-07–30T02:59:02. |
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| [06:18:17] | clever: | Wed Jul 30 02:27:51 EDT 2008 |
| [06:18:23] | clever: | Wed Jul 30 03:18:19 ADT 2008 |
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| [06:19:37] | clever: | other then the usual minor details the colinux slave has been working just fine |
| [06:22:40] | clever: | there, 3 slaves all crunching away |
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| [06:25:32] | wagnerrp: | the leakfrog finally sold out |
| [06:26:14] | wagnerrp: | but they were not replaced by anything worthwhile |
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| [06:32:53] | fryfrog: | funny as balls http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/stra . . . deo_elements |
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| [06:33:48] | wagnerrp: | dancing elements? |
| [06:34:43] | wagnerrp: | should be renamed the 'emo gases' |
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| [06:46:59] | Steven_M: | hi all |
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| [06:54:15] | Steven_M: | I can't seem to get myth's the internal video player to work, does it need to be installed separately? |
| [06:59:52] | Steven_M: | I get an error saying sh: internal: not found. where can I download the script? |
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| [07:08:41] | clever: | Steven_M: it isnt a script ran thru sh |
| [07:08:55] | clever: | Steven_M: when working mythtv will just play the file itself without actualy running that command |
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| [07:14:09] | wagnerrp: | IIRC, the internet player is accessible through the command 'mythtv' |
| [07:14:24] | wagnerrp: | someone brought that up a couple days ago |
| [07:14:26] | Steven_M: | clever: I ran mythfrontend through konsole. I tried to play the avi through mythfrontend, nothing happened. Once I quit myth I noticed sh: internal: not found in konsole |
| [07:17:47] | Steven_M: | wagnerrp: I ran mythfrontend through konsole. I tried to play the avi through mythfrontend, nothing happened. Once I quit myth I noticed sh: internal: not found in konsole |
| [07:19:45] | Steven_M: | I'm going to dinner, but will stay connected to IRC |
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| [07:30:56] | wagnerrp: | dinner? thats just crazy talk |
| [07:33:16] | Dagmar: | Pffft. |
| [07:33:23] | Dagmar: | You put "internal" in as the name of the video player. |
| [07:33:27] | Dagmar: | Use "Internal" |
| [07:33:33] | Dagmar: | Capitalization is likely rather important. |
| [07:34:08] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that trips up many a Windows convert |
| [07:35:37] | Dagmar: | I'm actually tempted to go look up a few C calls and submit a patch to permanently fix that |
| [07:35:54] | Dagmar: | It's not like someone's ever going to rename Mplayer as "internal" or something |
| [07:36:11] | wagnerrp: | you say that now... |
| [07:36:49] | wagnerrp: | there are no bounds to the limits of pointless actions |
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| [07:44:55] | sid3windr: | ln -s mplayer internal |
| [07:44:56] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [07:49:23] | wagnerrp: | woot has a USB pencil sharpener |
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| [07:49:45] | wagnerrp: | it lists '32MB of system RAM' and '50MB available hard drive space' as requirements |
| [07:49:59] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt even do anything, just draws power |
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| [07:53:48] | csnook: | I don't suppose anyone has taken a look at the new Dell Studio Hybrid as a frontend yet? |
| [07:54:41] | directhex: | cute, but would it look good next to a tv? |
| [07:54:46] | directhex: | and isn't it bigger than a mac mini? |
| [07:54:53] | justinh: | looks facking ugly IMHO |
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| [07:55:26] | justinh: | csnook: doesn't look like any of its hardware would present a problem with linux |
| [07:55:45] | csnook: | justinh, thanks, that's what i care about |
| [07:56:15] | csnook: | I'm looking for something slightly more high-end than a mac mini |
| [07:57:02] | csnook: | without paying a fortune for apple's upgrades |
| [07:57:09] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand why PC makers have to make these flashy rather than one designed to be hidden |
| [07:57:22] | directhex: | so a 2ghz core2 dell, instead of a 2ghz core2 apple? |
| [07:57:27] | directhex: | for only £200 more? |
| [07:57:28] | wagnerrp: | for the same size, you can get something that bolts to the underside of your desk |
| [07:57:42] | wagnerrp: | no more computer! magic! |
| [07:58:08] | csnook: | actually, could work as a backed, with storage over NFS |
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| [07:58:34] | justinh: | for $400, there is no machine as good looking or as small and powerful as the mac mini |
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| [07:58:59] | csnook: | where are you getting a mac mini for $400??? |
| [07:59:13] | directhex: | dell: Price From £569 |
| [07:59:14] | directhex: | Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T5750 (2.0GHz, 667MHz FSB, 2MB L2 Cache) |
| [07:59:42] | justinh: | directhex: that thing is dearer than a mini?! :-O |
| [07:59:43] | directhex: | apple: £399.00 |
| [07:59:43] | directhex: | 1.83GHz Intel Core 2 Duo |
| [07:59:50] | justinh: | how the hell to they expect to win? :D |
| [08:00:04] | csnook: | I repeat, where are you getting a mini for $399? |
| [08:00:09] | directhex: | justinh, that's the price on the low-end model. |
| [08:00:15] | justinh: | typo, I meant £400 |
| [08:00:20] | directhex: | justinh, high end (2.1ghz) model: Price From £769 |
| [08:00:31] | justinh: | scandalous |
| [08:00:34] | csnook: | apple is quoting $599 for the 1.83 GHz |
| [08:00:38] | csnook: | USD |
| [08:01:40] | justinh: | typo, I meant £400 |
| [08:02:01] | directhex: | the studio hybrid's uk pricing starts at over USD1k |
| [08:02:09] | justinh: | not quite used to this laptop keyboard yet ;) |
| [08:02:16] | csnook: | crazy |
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| [08:02:39] | wagnerrp: | over here, it ends at $1070 |
| [08:02:43] | csnook: | Dell wants to sell me a Studio Hybrid for $499 + cheap upgrades |
| [08:03:01] | wagnerrp: | OH! no wonder prices are so high, it comes packaged with a monitor |
| [08:03:16] | directhex: | not in the uk |
| [08:03:21] | directhex: | Display Not Included |
| [08:03:22] | csnook: | Apple wants to sell me a mac mini for $599 + gold-plated upgrades that will make women swoon |
| [08:03:36] | justinh: | you're just anti-apple. I can tell |
| [08:03:42] | wagnerrp: | well the bottom end is displayless, but the other three have one |
| [08:03:52] | csnook: | there's a no-monitor option |
| [08:03:55] | justinh: | but hey that's fine. deny yourself the better machine for no good reason |
| [08:03:58] | directhex: | wagnerrp, no, the £769 model has no display |
| [08:04:00] | csnook: | I'm typing this on my powerbook |
| [08:04:06] | csnook: | so, no, I'm not anti-apple |
| [08:04:08] | directhex: | wagnerrp, that's $1500 or so |
| [08:04:58] | justinh: | I've met a mac mini in person & it'll be the first thing I buy after I get a HD display, mark my words |
| [08:05:00] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt call myself anti-apple, i think they make some very clean hardware, i just dont like gloss white |
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| [08:05:24] | directhex: | it's clear acrylic, with white paint on the inside |
| [08:05:36] | csnook: | thing is, I want it to generally be a fast box |
| [08:05:42] | csnook: | so, 2 GB RAM |
| [08:05:43] | wagnerrp: | i will soon have to paint over my glossy white HDD dock |
| [08:05:47] | justinh: | and you know why? we were in the apple store & my wife said "that could be the mythtv frontend?! WHEN ARE WE GETTING ONE?!?!?!?!?!?" |
| [08:05:53] | directhex: | csnook, why would dell's 2ghz core2 be faster than apple's 2ghz core2? |
| [08:06:18] | wagnerrp: | directhex: because of Dell's value added software |
| [08:06:22] | csnook: | directhex, I'm more concerned about the RAM, which is a $50 upgrade on the Hybrid |
| [08:06:26] | wagnerrp: | its like stickers on a car |
| [08:06:38] | justinh: | if I was to buy something that looked like a metallic painted subwoofer, she'd object profusely :D |
| [08:07:16] | wagnerrp: | what about something that looked like your a/v receiver, or dvd player |
| [08:07:22] | directhex: | WAF is for losers |
| [08:07:27] | clever: | wagnerrp: setting the video player to 'mythtv' would start a 2nd myth process to play the file, horid way to fix Steven_M's problem |
| [08:07:55] | justinh: | csnook: even with the most voracious memory eating theme, a frontend can quite happily exist in 1GB RAM |
| [08:08:04] | clever: | theres some special value which tells it to not even run a command and to just play it |
| [08:08:07] | tank-man: | macs are 'snappy' :) |
| [08:08:15] | directhex: | Internal |
| [08:08:18] | csnook: | justinh, sure, but I don't plan to watch TV all the time |
| [08:08:24] | wagnerrp: | justinh: i have a friend who would tell horror stories of the Mepo theme |
| [08:08:29] | justinh: | wagnerrp: what about something that looks like the rest of my AV gear? there is nothing. Nothing! |
| [08:08:55] | justinh: | anyway, white will go with silver :) |
| [08:08:59] | wagnerrp: | he said he was heavily swapping on a 1GB machine |
| [08:09:15] | justinh: | wagnerrp: serves him right for using that theme :P |
| [08:09:29] | csnook: | is that an SVG theme? |
| [08:09:39] | justinh: | there are no, and can be no SVG themes |
| [08:09:43] | wagnerrp: | its a heavily animated theme |
| [08:09:45] | csnook: | ah |
| [08:10:06] | justinh: | even if there were, they'd still be rendered as bitmaps even when the mythui port is complete |
| [08:10:08] | clever: | sounds liek a fun one to try on my swapless c2d system:P |
| [08:10:15] | directhex: | i use mepo on my backend, which has a gig of ram, and it doesn't swap |
| [08:10:33] | justinh: | and besides, blootube-wide is the biggest ram hog of all |
| [08:10:52] | justinh: | I made sure of that :D |
| [08:11:00] | directhex: | i was about to say, you sound damn proud |
| [08:11:41] | directhex: | Fisherman Andrew sent out MAGIKARP! |
| [08:11:44] | justinh: | big graphics come at a price. if you're a ram miser,, you don't get 'good looking' |
| [08:11:55] | csnook: | I never make swap spaces larger than 256 MB anymore |
| [08:12:00] | csnook: | it's just a life raft |
| [08:12:03] | directhex: | so why have them? |
| [08:12:28] | justinh: | my netbooted frontend has no swap at all, works fine |
| [08:12:34] | directhex: | swap must be at least ram, for suspend to disk to work. and at 256m, any runaway app's gonna be hit by the oom killer pretty quickly anyway |
| [08:12:37] | csnook: | a little bit of swap can keep a RAM hog from bringing down the rest of the system |
| [08:12:48] | wagnerrp: | my desktop is the only machine i own with any swap |
| [08:12:56] | csnook: | but by the time you're 1 GB into swap, it's pretty painful |
| [08:13:05] | csnook: | unless you're swapping to fibre channel |
| [08:13:21] | justinh: | swap into a ram disk :P |
| [08:13:32] | directhex: | use an SD card for swap! |
| [08:13:55] | csnook: | justinh, you joke, but people have done that and gotten performance improvements because it worked around VM bugs |
| [08:14:12] | justinh: | anyway, nobody said you have to stick with Apple upgrades ;) |
| [08:14:14] | clever: | directhex: ive used a 64mb usb stick for swap |
| [08:14:22] | clever: | thinking the seekless device would speed things up |
| [08:14:34] | clever: | the 64mb #1 swap rapidly fills and then gets totaly ignored |
| [08:14:36] | justinh: | though I wouldn't necessarily be keen on opening a mini |
| [08:14:37] | csnook: | ow |
| [08:14:42] | csnook: | yeah |
| [08:15:01] | directhex: | i don't think it requires a putty knife anymore |
| [08:15:09] | csnook: | swap on SSD sucks in general |
| [08:15:13] | justinh: | $100 for 1GB RAB? jees I think you might have a point there csnook |
| [08:15:13] | csnook: | even the really fast ones |
| [08:15:20] | justinh: | s/RAB/RAM |
| [08:15:32] | clever: | csnook: my problem was the size, it was too small to be any good |
| [08:15:34] | directhex: | the dell machines DO ship with 3 gig, in their favour |
| [08:15:40] | csnook: | because of those annoying 128KB erase blocks |
| [08:15:59] | justinh: | so, it's coming down as 6 of one thing, half a dozen of another |
| [08:16:05] | justinh: | ah well. time to head to work |
| [08:16:13] | clever: | csnook: yeah that could also put a real damper on the write speeds, usb1.0 cant help either |
| [08:16:40] | clever: | ive solved most of my swaping problems now |
| [08:16:45] | csnook: | well, swap is by nature a very random-access workload |
| [08:16:47] | clever: | the swap was on a 40 pin ide cable |
| [08:17:03] | clever: | 10mb/sec |
| [08:17:29] | clever: | i shuffled a ntfs partition arround and now the swap is on an 80wire ribbon |
| [08:17:32] | clever: | 40mb/sec |
| [08:18:09] | csnook: | the mac mini is getting pretty long in the tooth |
| [08:18:24] | csnook: | I'm surprised it hasn't been updated yet |
| [08:18:37] | directhex: | true |
| [08:18:43] | csnook: | HDMI would be nice |
| [08:19:04] | directhex: | and fruitcake |
| [08:19:07] | csnook: | another point for the Hybrid |
| [08:19:40] | directhex: | it doesn't come with fruitcake. |
| [08:20:25] | csnook: | Mac has a better GAF though |
| [08:20:37] | csnook: | particularly if it's doing stuff other than just myth frontend |
| [08:21:11] | directhex: | i doubt my wife would be happy |
| [08:21:16] | directhex: | lack of high-end geforce, for one |
| [08:21:21] | csnook: | heh |
| [08:21:45] | directhex: | and a 33% drop in clock speed |
| [08:21:54] | csnook: | I talked my girlfriend into getting a mac several months ago |
| [08:22:04] | csnook: | 90% drop in tech support |
| [08:22:23] | csnook: | the remaining 10% is usually router resets |
| [08:23:34] | directhex: | yeah, that's the other one |
| [08:23:47] | directhex: | lack of games that aren't that sliding tile game with the apple logo |
| [08:27:19] | csnook: | I was thinking of building a fanless netboot frontend. Then the air conditioner turned on, and I realized that marginal noise savings wasn't going to be worth much trouble. |
| [08:34:49] | directhex: | i was thinking of using fire-type pokemon against this trainer, but i don't have any |
| [08:35:44] | directhex: | fortunately, flying attacks seem to also be super-effective against grass-type. not just fire. |
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| [09:04:31] | Steven_M: | Dagmar: wagnerrp clever: changing Internal to internal didn't help, I fear that the debian maintainer left the internal player out of the package. |
| [09:05:03] | sid3windr: | not on my system at least |
| [09:05:55] | directhex: | Steven_M, mildly impossible |
| [09:06:05] | directhex: | Steven_M, since that's how livetv works |
| [09:06:42] | sid3windr: | mildly eh |
| [09:10:46] | Steven_M: | directhex: any ideas then? |
| [09:12:20] | directhex: | you could post your frontend log from it failing to work |
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| [09:25:43] | Dagmar: | Steven_M: It would also help if you paid closer attention to capitalization. |
| [09:25:55] | Dagmar: | I said to change "internal" to "Internal". Not the other way around. |
| [09:26:03] | Dagmar: | It *needs* proper capitalization |
| [09:26:15] | Dagmar: | ...at least it does if I'm right about the problem. |
| [09:26:26] | Dagmar: | I can't think of any other reason why it might be saying 'internal' not found. |
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| [09:33:34] | Steven_M: | Dagmar: sorry |
| [09:33:55] | Dagmar: | If it's not capitalized now, poke at it one more time |
| [09:34:07] | directhex: | assming the chinese whisper reports are correct. without seeing the log myself, i'm unconvinced |
| [09:35:53] | Dagmar: | "I tried to play the avi through mythfrontend, nothing happened. Once I quit myth I noticed sh: internal: not found in konsole" |
| [09:36:19] | Dagmar: | I'm guessing he pasted that bit, so the lowercase 'i' would seem to indicate that configuration entry is case-sensitive |
| [09:36:42] | Dagmar: | If it is, and you typed 'internal' instead of 'Internal', that would be the sort of complaint that would likely appear |
| [09:44:51] | justinh: | it used to be but I thought that was put right for 0.21 |
| [09:46:24] | justinh: | lack of hdmi wouldn't bother me on a mac mini since I'd be putting all the audio through my receiver anyway |
| [09:48:36] | justinh: | although it might be useful to avoid *having* to put all the audio through my receiver |
| [09:48:58] | directhex: | well, i think the Debian packages are somewhat long in the tooth (only release tarballs are packaged iirc), so it may well be buggy |
| [09:49:35] | justinh: | may well be? lol |
| [09:49:36] | Steven_M: | Dagmar: it's working now, sorry for getting the case wrong twice |
| [09:49:39] | justinh: | most definitely will be |
| [09:50:01] | justinh: | pretty sure the player case sensitivity was taken out in time for 0.21 |
| [09:50:03] | directhex: | or he could be on 0.20 |
| [09:50:17] | justinh: | eew |
| [09:50:41] | directhex: | and i mean 0.20, not 0.20.2 |
| [09:51:09] | Steven_M: | justinh: directhex: I'm 0.21 svn |
| [09:51:19] | justinh: | trunk? are you mad? |
| [09:52:47] | Steven_M: | justinh: are you talking to me? |
| [09:52:50] | justinh: | well, can't find anything in trac relating to case on the internal player |
| [09:54:05] | Sulx: | whats wrong with trunk?-) |
| [09:54:07] | Sulx: | works fine =) |
| [09:54:35] | Steven_M: | what's trunk? |
| [09:54:55] | justinh: | trunk is the bleeding edge, development version |
| [09:54:58] | Sulx: | latest development branch |
| [09:55:22] | directhex: | is the edge still gushing, WRT qt4? |
| [09:55:24] | justinh: | which you should only be using if you're madly keen on contributing bug reports, fixes & feature updates |
| [09:55:54] | justinh: | apparently not, but there aren't really any new features which make it desirable over 0.21-fixes |
| [09:56:02] | justinh: | other than some bug fixes which won't be backported |
| [09:56:10] | Steven_M: | Sulx: I've got no choice but to use trunk |
| [09:56:30] | directhex: | O RLY? no choice? |
| [09:56:59] | justinh: | well, certainly no choice now his database is using a trunk schema :P |
| [09:57:14] | Sulx: | justinh: same here ;) |
| [09:57:31] | justinh: | and no choice if you're doing any development work & you want it to stand a cat in hell's chance of being included |
| [09:57:47] | Steven_M: | directhex: yeah my whole distro is debian sid |
| [09:58:14] | directhex: | ... and? |
| [09:58:56] | justinh: | as much as folks here say (even me) that general users shouldn't be running trunk it's good that more people are – even better if they run into bugs & submit quality info about them |
| [10:00:19] | justinh: | and the more users who have a clue, the better – always :) |
| [10:01:04] | justinh: | anyway, your choice of distro has little bearing on which branch you use. there are always options |
| [10:01:59] | directhex: | ZUBAT! I choose you! |
| [10:02:12] | Steven_M: | directhex: and if I didn't want to run mythtv trunk I would need two distros installed on my hard disk |
| [10:02:40] | directhex: | what a load of horseshit |
| [10:02:42] | justinh: | what? |
| [10:03:23] | justinh: | if you're talking about packages, maybe. but then people dependent on packages of trunk are, IMHO not worthy |
| [10:04:19] | directhex: | as it turns out, debian multimedia is using a 0.21-fixes from earlier this month |
| [10:05:16] | justinh: | reminds me I need to spin out a new compile for my frontend so I can try greyfoxx's CC font caching avoidance trick |
| [10:06:10] | Steven_M: | directhex: even multimedia unstable are using the fixes? |
| [10:06:46] | directhex: | http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/unstable/m . . . -backend.php |
| [10:07:17] | justinh: | Steven_M: all 'version' reports of mythfrontend will report an 'svn revision' – you have to know where to look to find out what version you're really running |
| [10:10:38] | Steven_M: | ok |
| [10:10:52] | justinh: | the way subversion works, even if there've been no updates to the branch you've got, it'll reflect the last change to the whole project |
| [10:18:55] | Steven_M: | justinh: I'm hoping that my version of mythtv will workout fine, once I learn how to use it |
| [10:21:49] | Steven_M: | is there any way to get the internal player to use a different aspect ratio? |
| [10:22:21] | Dagmar: | 'w' and '^w' |
| [10:23:19] | Steven_M: | thanks |
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| [10:31:46] | Steven_M: | cool, that works now I only have one more issue to sort out tonight |
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| [10:39:41] | Steven_M: | is the mythweb plugin needed in order to get the automatically download movie write ups |
| [10:39:46] | Steven_M: | ? |
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| [10:40:32] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
| [10:41:18] | Steven_M: | black_Nightmare_: hi |
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| [10:42:41] | black_Nightmare_: | how're you steve_m? |
| [10:44:59] | Steven_M: | black_Nightmare_: not bad |
| [10:46:21] | Steven_M: | black_Nightmare_: is the mythweb plugin needed in order to get the automatically download movie write ups |
| [10:46:34] | Steven_M: | ? |
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| [10:46:47] | fryfrog: | Steven_M: show information is from your channel listing lineup |
| [10:46:53] | fryfrog: | or do you mean for mythvideo? |
| [10:47:17] | Steven_M: | fryfrog: mythvideo |
| [10:47:20] | fryfrog: | if that, then in setup, manage videos just hit M and do "search" and it'll pull info from IMDB (given reasonably named fils) or you can enter a name yourself |
| [10:47:36] | justinh: | imdb info is not automatically looked up for anything |
| [10:47:50] | ** black_Nightmare_ is doing okay but just trying to decide about bluray or not to bother now ^_^ ** | |
| [10:47:54] | fryfrog: | yeah, you have to goto each video and hit "search" basically |
| [10:48:02] | justinh: | you have to invoke it or use 3rd party scripts which aren't endorsed or supported by the mythtv project |
| [10:48:11] | fryfrog: | black_Nightmare_: who wants to pay $300 for a movie player :/ |
| [10:48:16] | fryfrog: | unless you wanted a PS3 anyway |
| [10:48:31] | fryfrog: | justinh: does that mean none are in ./contrib? |
| [10:49:02] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog well yeah do you think that movies would still get mirror-released on dvds for quite some more time? |
| [10:49:21] | justinh: | I think they might've been taken out – or maybe a response from imdb is being awaited |
| [10:51:30] | Steven_M: | thanks fryfrog justinh |
| [10:51:43] | Steven_M: | :) |
| [10:55:35] | Steven_M: | not all |
| [10:56:10] | Steven_M: | I mean night all |
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| [10:57:58] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog or you not sure? |
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| [11:01:27] | fryfrog: | black_Nightmare_: i'm not sure what you mean? |
| [11:01:32] | fryfrog: | DVDs aren't going anywhere soon |
| [11:01:54] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah ok thats good :p |
| [11:02:16] | fryfrog: | *total* sales of all next gen DVDs (blu-ray and hd-dvd) a few months ago didn't even excede the dvd sales of *one* movie release (and it was a lame one, like that click movie or something) |
| [11:02:28] | fryfrog: | er, one dvd release that is |
| [11:02:38] | black_Nightmare_: | heh hmm didn't know of that before |
| [11:02:45] | fryfrog: | and by total, i mean *every* movie released on blu-ray/hd-dvd to date added together |
| [11:03:05] | fryfrog: | still doesn't beat the sales figures of just *one* dvd release |
| [11:03:46] | fryfrog: | i'd be curious to see how that stands now, but i imagine a middle or high movie release still probably beats the pants off of next gen dvd sales |
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| [11:05:25] | clever: | yay |
| [11:05:32] | clever: | 161% transcode progress again |
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| [11:08:31] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog hm well if you might know did you know if any hd-dvd players could handle dvdram as well or I might have to keep these several discs seperated for another player? (blame them on family's having a toshiba dvd-ram recorder to start with) |
| [11:09:34] | fryfrog: | no, i'm not big into hd-dvd/blu-ray or anything, but i think dvd-ram has been dead for a while |
| [11:09:48] | fryfrog: | i wouldn't expect to find anything that supports it "new" coming out now |
| [11:10:26] | directhex: | dvd-ram died aeons ago |
| [11:10:30] | black_Nightmare_: | actually, 12x dvdram are still strong going in many burner drives and dvd players |
| [11:10:54] | black_Nightmare_: | toshiba still sell the similar recorder to what family has older version of .. and it'll only take dvd-ram burning alone but can play anything else otherwise |
| [11:10:58] | fryfrog: | dvd-ram as in the thing in a shell? |
| [11:11:17] | black_Nightmare_: | frydrog..no the plain disc version (the cartridge thing died just like cd caddies died) |
| [11:11:27] | fryfrog: | ohhhhh |
| [11:11:32] | fryfrog: | nm then, i see what you mean |
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| [11:11:39] | fryfrog: | i think even my new dvd writer supports dvd-ram |
| [11:11:41] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog heh no problem :) |
| [11:11:44] | fryfrog: | wtf is the diff? |
| [11:12:05] | directhex: | £4 a disk for dvd-ram |
| [11:12:18] | directhex: | i'll stick with dvd-+r |
| [11:12:21] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog one particular small feature of dvd-ram related to movies is you don't need any finalizing at all. just let burner burn to the last second then suddenly its ready to eject |
| [11:12:40] | fryfrog: | ah |
| [11:13:31] | black_Nightmare_: | and directhex hm I've seen that the price varies a lot in different plaes but I've managed to spot spindle of 10 8x-rated dvdram's for not much more than if it was dvd+rw's instead sometimes |
| [11:14:05] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog and mind you that also a dvd-ram in pc can be more or less treated as "just another hard disk drive" for oses that support it |
| [11:14:07] | directhex: | whereas i can only find a choice of 4 in-cart dvdrams on one of the uk's biggest blank media shops |
| [11:14:50] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog its kinda more effective than the cdrw method which is not really treating the disc as a hard drive |
| [11:15:12] | black_Nightmare_: | directhex hm I guess it could just be that you're in uk and I'm in canada |
| [11:15:48] | directhex: | it takes a long time for old dead tech to die on the north american continent... |
| [11:15:58] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog either way I don't really keep much of any r-only medias because I don't see much point in them |
| [11:16:26] | fryfrog: | wow, dvd-ram is concentric cicles, like a hd |
| [11:16:34] | fryfrog: | not a big ass spiral like dvd-r/rw/etc |
| [11:17:00] | RaYmAn-Bx: | dvd-ram can be dual-sided as well =P..5.2gb (with 2.6gb on each side) |
| [11:17:00] | RaYmAn-Bx: | heh |
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| [11:17:13] | black_Nightmare_: | rayman...actually its 9+gb at the moment |
| [11:17:25] | black_Nightmare_: | ;) |
| [11:17:26] | RaYmAn-Bx: | well, the dvd-ram's I have =P (old ones) |
| [11:17:30] | black_Nightmare_: | ah..hm yeah |
| [11:17:46] | black_Nightmare_: | the first revision of dvd-ram was only like a bit over 2.4gb on one single side |
| [11:18:47] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog...the reason for that is because often even if I know there's a picture cd I'll like to keep for quite some time its actually better on cdrw's than cdr's ... when the pictures finally start to get a bit boring I can just wipe the disc for a fresh use again etc ;) |
| [11:19:35] | black_Nightmare_: | so far I don't have any of these several discs going dead on me yet even although one had been wiped 20+ times (aside to several more rewrites) |
| [11:20:05] | fryfrog: | wow, dvd-ram does have some interesting features and advantages |
| [11:20:15] | fryfrog: | it seems very much more targeted as a reliable storage medium |
| [11:20:54] | black_Nightmare_: | fryfrog just be mindful that 12x is probably the best speed you'll be able to find anyhow (well there is 16x but thats rather rare to get hand on.. disc and burner wise) |
| [11:21:12] | black_Nightmare_: | ;) |
| [11:22:24] | black_Nightmare_: | either way quick question after looking up two specs, what kind of online thing do hddvd movies come with? (re the player coming with ethernet port for "web-enabled features") |
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| [11:25:44] | black_Nightmare_: | :/ |
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| [11:29:52] | black_Nightmare_: | either way either of you fryfrog and rayman own an av receiver or not yet? |
| [11:36:03] | famicom: | eh |
| [11:36:32] | famicom: | i just did a mythfilldatabase --update |
| [11:36:43] | famicom: | but it's asking me the following |
| [11:36:53] | famicom: | Choose a channel name (any string, long version) [VRT TV1] |
| [11:37:04] | famicom: | How can i tell mythtv to shut up and just fill in something random |
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| [12:00:03] | anny__: | hello all |
| [12:01:21] | anny__: | when we want to watch live tv, is it usually read from the frontend machine or streamed from the backend? |
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| [12:02:16] | directhex: | when you "watch livetv", a tuner on your backend is engaged, and a recording file is made |
| [12:02:25] | directhex: | this recording file is read, decoded, and displayed on a frontend |
| [12:04:10] | anny__: | so the tuner is never installed on the frontend machine |
| [12:04:43] | clever: | but you can allways run the frontend on the same computer as the backend |
| [12:07:01] | directhex: | indeed. but yes, a "pure" frontend will have no tv tuners of its own |
| [12:07:08] | directhex: | only the backend software knows how to talk to tv tuners |
| [12:07:20] | clever: | like my laptop and every toher frontend i have |
| [12:07:26] | clever: | excpet the main one |
| [12:08:58] | anny__: | ok thx guys |
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| [12:13:29] | neztiti: | hi guys |
| [12:14:01] | neztiti: | is there any news abot new update for mythtv |
| [12:14:41] | neztiti: | why change channels take 4 me more than 7 seconds? |
| [12:16:08] | neztiti: | does it only my problem? how i can increase this option??? |
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| [12:19:40] | Nido: | probably a phone-home-checkifyoudidn't stealme thing |
| [12:19:57] | Nido: | err. sorry; that's a bit out of context here. disregard please |
| [12:20:16] | GreyFoxx: | nez: There is no 0.22 release planned right now |
| [12:20:53] | GreyFoxx: | as for the channel changes I don't know. Some people have really slow, some do not. So far most of the people with really slow have not done any coding working to figure out why |
| [12:23:41] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: when it will be on my box m8??? |
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| [12:25:20] | GreyFoxx: | I don't understand what you are asking me :) |
| [12:26:04] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [12:27:57] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: i talking (asking) about ver 0.22 |
| [12:28:09] | GreyFoxx: | yes, and I said there is no planned release of 0.22 right now |
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| [12:28:21] | sid3windr: | GreyFoxx: yes, but WHEN will it be on his box meight! |
| [12:28:22] | GreyFoxx: | so I can't tell you when it will be out because it hasn't been decided yet |
| [12:28:37] | GreyFoxx: | But I can tell you that it wont be for months at least |
| [12:29:04] | neztiti: | GreyFoxx: ok thank you m8 |
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| [12:35:27] | matt_ubuntu: | help... i want to start fresh.... does anybody know how to uniinstall mythtv? |
| [12:35:55] | directhex: | why? |
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| [12:38:00] | matt_ubuntu: | i got two errors and i cant resolve it |
| [12:39:49] | matt_ubuntu: | no database found and no upnp backend found |
| [12:41:27] | directhex: | you installed which package? |
| [12:41:49] | matt_ubuntu: | how can i find that out? |
| [12:42:10] | matt_ubuntu: | i believe i have the latest package |
| [12:42:37] | directhex: | how did you install mythtv? it's not a trick question |
| [12:44:17] | matt_ubuntu: | via terminal "sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install mythtv" |
| [12:45:29] | directhex: | so the "mythtv" package. right. |
| [12:45:36] | matt_ubuntu: | right |
| [12:46:44] | directhex: | and you get your errors doing what, exactly? |
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| [12:49:42] | matt_ubuntu: | just installing it |
| [12:50:26] | matt_ubuntu: | i really didnt read all the installation question when i install it |
| [12:51:11] | directhex: | why do you think those questions were there? |
| [12:51:30] | matt_ubuntu: | good one |
| [12:51:35] | matt_ubuntu: | i just messed up :) |
| [12:52:36] | ivor: | find and follow an ubuntu installation guide, there seems to be a few on google. |
| [12:52:57] | ivor: | if you want to uninstall and start again, just do your normal ubuntu uninstall command |
| [12:53:25] | ivor: | i.e. "apt-get remove XXX" or "apt-get --purge remove XXX" |
| [12:53:44] | directhex: | purge will be needed |
| [12:54:03] | directhex: | well, technically only dpkg-reconfigure will, since the problems are due to config idiocy not corrupt files |
| [12:54:33] | ** ivor has no idea he doesnt use debian, just guessing. ** | |
| [12:55:36] | directhex: | did you have mysql installed before you started? |
| [12:55:49] | matt_ubuntu: | no |
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| [12:57:19] | matt_ubuntu: | i followed the installation instruction on http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_ubuntu.php |
| [12:59:07] | directhex: | you have mysql-server installed? |
| [12:59:17] | matt_ubuntu: | i believe so |
| [12:59:51] | directhex: | don't believe. know. |
| [13:01:03] | matt_ubuntu: | i checked in synaptic package manager and i have mysql-server installed |
| [13:01:43] | directhex: | look at the contents of /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [13:02:04] | directhex: | what happens if you run "mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg" and give it the password in that file? |
| [13:05:27] | matt_ubuntu: | as i read mysql.txt there is no password |
| [13:06:03] | directhex: | no password at all? "DBPassword=" is blank? |
| [13:06:44] | matt_ubuntu: | it reads DBHostPing=no |
| [13:06:44] | matt_ubuntu: | DBUserName=mythtv |
| [13:06:44] | matt_ubuntu: | DBName=mythconverg |
| [13:06:44] | matt_ubuntu: | DBType= |
| [13:07:36] | directhex: | you've cocked this up nicely, by the look of it |
| [13:07:36] | matt_ubuntu: | oops i made a mistake |
| [13:07:48] | matt_ubuntu: | i see it on the last line |
| [13:09:14] | matt_ubuntu: | so i enter mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg and i get the following reading |
| [13:09:15] | matt_ubuntu: | Reading table information for completion of table and column names |
| [13:09:16] | matt_ubuntu: | You can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A |
| [13:09:16] | matt_ubuntu: | Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. |
| [13:09:16] | matt_ubuntu: | Your MySQL connection id is 21 |
| [13:09:16] | matt_ubuntu: | Server version: 5.0.51a-3ubuntu5.1 (Ubuntu) |
| [13:09:17] | matt_ubuntu: | Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. |
| [13:09:35] | directhex: | what password did you type, when prompted? |
| [13:09:55] | matt_ubuntu: | DBPassword=FmyNOL9b |
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| [13:10:06] | matt_ubuntu: | by the way, can i change that password? |
| [13:10:39] | directhex: | can one generally? yes, but there's no good reason to. should you? probably not. |
| [13:10:50] | matt_ubuntu: | gotcha |
| [13:11:14] | PatrickDK: | unless your paranoid of someone adding their mythtv frontend to your system |
| [13:11:44] | directhex: | run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database mythtv-common" |
| [13:13:08] | matt_ubuntu: | ok |
| [13:13:09] | matt_ubuntu: | did that |
| [13:13:15] | matt_ubuntu: | i get package configuration |
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| [13:13:31] | matt_ubuntu: | on what host does the mysql server reside: |
| [13:13:35] | matt_ubuntu: | localhost? |
| [13:14:20] | directhex: | yes |
| [13:14:53] | matt_ubuntu: | what is the name of MySQL admm account: root? |
| [13:15:07] | webvictim: | most likely |
| [13:16:11] | directhex: | root. |
| [13:16:47] | matt_ubuntu: | what is the password for the MySQL adminstrator account "root": |
| [13:17:58] | directhex: | LEAVE IT BLANK |
| [13:18:34] | matt_ubuntu: | gotcha |
| [13:18:44] | matt_ubuntu: | will you be using other computers running mythtv |
| [13:18:49] | matt_ubuntu: | no? |
| [13:19:18] | directhex: | will they? |
| [13:19:36] | matt_ubuntu: | no |
| [13:20:22] | matt_ubuntu: | what database should be used to hold mythtv data |
| [13:20:28] | matt_ubuntu: | mythcoverg? |
| [13:20:39] | directhex: | yes. |
| [13:20:56] | matt_ubuntu: | what username should mythtv use to access its database |
| [13:21:05] | matt_ubuntu: | mythtv? |
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| [13:21:46] | directhex: | mythtv. |
| [13:22:08] | matt_ubuntu: | what password should mythtv use to access its database |
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| [13:22:15] | matt_ubuntu: | leave it blank? |
| [13:23:05] | directhex: | FmyNOL9b |
| [13:24:24] | matt_ubuntu: | on what host does the mySQL server reside |
| [13:24:27] | matt_ubuntu: | localhost? |
| [13:25:38] | directhex: | yes. |
| [13:26:16] | matt_ubuntu: | it finished and im at terminal |
| [13:26:34] | directhex: | run mythtv-setup |
| [13:28:00] | matt_ubuntu: | wow it took me to main general setup!!! |
| [13:28:04] | matt_ubuntu: | thank you so much!!! |
| [13:28:25] | matt_ubuntu: | hate to ask... but what next :) |
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| [13:32:43] | directhex: | NOW follow your guide. you need to complete all the steps listed, IN ORDER. |
| [13:32:58] | joshman09: | gotcha |
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| [13:38:08] | matt_ubuntu: | in capture cards how will i know which one works with mine? |
| [13:40:00] | matt_ubuntu: | directhex u still there? |
| [13:40:20] | directhex: | erm... what type of card did you buy? |
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| [13:42:52] | matt_ubuntu: | hauppauge WinTV-PVR-500 MCE-Kit (PCI Express X1) |
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| [13:43:14] | directhex: | so you need a PVR-type card. an mpeg encioder. |
| [13:43:17] | matt_ubuntu: | by the way i tried to run mythtv front end |
| [13:43:41] | matt_ubuntu: | what does that mean? |
| [13:44:15] | Dagmar: | directhex: What? |
| [13:44:27] | directhex: | sigh |
| [13:44:38] | matt_ubuntu: | i believe my card has hardware encorder |
| [13:44:52] | Dagmar: | wait, you have a PCI Express PVR-500? |
| [13:44:52] | directhex: | matt_ubuntu, mythtv is split into two parts – the backend, which handles tv cards, and the frontend, which connects to backends. |
| [13:45:20] | matt_ubuntu: | right |
| [13:45:26] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Executive_Overview |
| [13:45:55] | Dagmar: | They don't MAKE PCI Express PVR-500's |
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| [13:46:55] | Dagmar: | PVR-500's are plain PCI cards |
| [13:47:40] | matt_ubuntu: | oops i have Hauppauge WinTV-HVR 1800 Media Center Kit PCI-Express Card |
| [13:47:59] | Dagmar: | You're so doomed |
| [13:48:06] | matt_ubuntu: | oh no |
| [13:48:18] | Dagmar: | If you can't even tell what the heck you have installed |
| [13:49:13] | matt_ubuntu: | thanks for the word of encouragement :) |
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| [13:51:23] | matt_ubuntu: | when i run the mythtv frontend i still get "no UPnp found" as well no database |
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| [13:54:53] | justinh: | oh, what's occurring? ;) |
| [13:54:57] | directhex: | erase ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [13:55:14] | justinh: | give up! |
| [13:55:16] | justinh: | give up! |
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| [13:56:19] | Dagmar: | justinh: You'll find this amusing... being that the UK has "reasonable" airport security... |
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| [13:57:15] | justinh: | reasonable – if by that you mean they go to great lengths to piss off their own nationals |
| [13:57:25] | Dagmar: | Hah you haven't seen nothin |
| [13:57:45] | Dagmar: | http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville/stories/ . . . /daily2.html |
| [13:57:52] | matt_ubuntu: | what would be command to erase mysql.txt in term? |
| [13:58:06] | Dagmar: | They used to have 2+ security checkpoints at the BNA airport |
| [13:58:22] | Dagmar: | They're "consolidating" this into one big checkpoint area. |
| [13:58:50] | Dagmar: | I don't know about you, but any time I see the word "one" and "security" in the same sentence, it gives me a headache. |
| [13:58:51] | justinh: | matt_ubuntu: my advice would be to go off & get a small clue about linux before playing with mythtv, or else start fresh with mythbuntu, knoppmyth or mythdora. infact scratch the last one |
| [13:59:41] | justinh: | Dagmar – well, won't it make it easier for people who can't read to just have the one area? ;-) |
| [13:59:47] | Dagmar: | Like, wait... Everyone going into the airport will have to go through one relatively small area? ...and half of this area, simply because of what the area does, will be unscreened? |
| [14:00:16] | Dagmar: | So basically, there's this one area that some asshole could hit, which is obvious as hell, which would shut the airport down. |
| [14:00:45] | Dagmar: | That's just such an excellent design I feel like everyone over there should win their own bright yellow safety helmet |
| [14:00:52] | justinh: | and get everybody in that area killed at the same time. winner! |
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| [14:01:31] | Dagmar: | ...but since the *last* time I tried to tell anyone in Metro gov't *anything* about their ideas on security, they had me watched 24/7 for about a week, fuck 'em |
| [14:01:39] | Dagmar: | They can figure it out on their own or not at all. |
| [14:02:01] | justinh: | matt_ubuntu: nobody here is in the business of giving complete hand-holding walkthroughs. If that annoys you, so be it but we have better things to do. Folks here are always willing to help if you show an effort has been made, though. |
| [14:02:01] | Dagmar: | I might fire an email off to a guy I know at the local FBI office at any rate |
| [14:02:25] | Dagmar: | At least _he_ I know can be trusted to not go all crazy and accuse me of threatening the airport or something |
| [14:02:34] | justinh: | heheh |
| [14:04:03] | justinh: | yay for this online training course & assessment thing. don't get 100% in the multiple choice sections (they're all multiple choice btw) – no problem – just review your answers & correct them. Repeat as necessary. Way to fulfil your legal obligations, employer! |
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| [14:13:49] | matt_ubuntu: | directhex... u still there? i'm stuck again |
| [14:13:58] | directhex: | sigh. what? |
| [14:14:07] | matt_ubuntu: | sorry to bother ya |
| [14:14:13] | justinh: | enough with the hald-holding |
| [14:14:17] | justinh: | hand-holding |
| [14:14:33] | justinh: | stop randomly stabbing at stuff |
| [14:14:37] | ivor: | group hug instad? |
| [14:15:43] | matt_ubuntu: | i erase etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [14:15:46] | justinh: | effectively doing stuff for people does not help them. it never has |
| [14:15:51] | matt_ubuntu: | and i'm getting errors |
| [14:17:02] | justinh: | you know those nice friendly popup messages you saw during installation of mythtv via your package manager? did you read them completely or just dismiss them as lots of people regularly do out of (bad) habit? |
| [14:17:44] | ivor: | justinh: I don't know. I quite like it when someone makes me a cup of tea. that usually helps. |
| [14:18:09] | matt_ubuntu: | i had problems and directhex help fix them |
| [14:18:15] | matt_ubuntu: | and i got to general setup |
| [14:18:30] | directhex: | who said anything about /etc? |
| [14:18:35] | directhex: | now you've broken it. congrats |
| [14:18:41] | matt_ubuntu: | dope!!!! |
| [14:18:44] | directhex: | [14:54] <directhex> erase ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [14:18:44] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [14:18:45] | justinh: | and all without making any real progress in terms of knowing what you'd done wrong in the first place |
| [14:18:49] | sid3windr: | rofl |
| [14:18:53] | Dagmar: | Failure to follow instructions. |
| [14:19:02] | Dagmar: | EPIC levels detected. |
| [14:19:04] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [14:19:12] | matt_ubuntu: | what now? |
| [14:19:18] | justinh: | I am NOT just being an asshole for the sake of it. I do sometimes but this is not one of those times |
| [14:19:19] | Dagmar: | Install MythBuntu |
| [14:19:37] | justinh: | take a few hours out. READ THE DOCS, PLEASE |
| [14:19:41] | Dagmar: | It should be able to keep you from sticking your fingers into the running gearbox. |
| [14:19:55] | matt_ubuntu: | but so close |
| [14:20:12] | matt_ubuntu: | i was getting it... i think :) |
| [14:20:14] | justinh: | the ubuntu community documentation should be of great help. READ |
| [14:20:21] | justinh: | you were nowhere near close |
| [14:20:41] | matt_ubuntu: | is that true directhex? |
| [14:21:06] | justinh: | at least I'm assuming you're trying to put mythtv on an ubuntu box... |
| [14:21:09] | directhex: | hm? that you've fucked it? yes |
| [14:21:17] | justinh: | in which case, why not use mythbuntu? |
| [14:21:33] | Dagmar: | You waved bye-bye to the password that was randomly generated by Ubuntu |
| [14:22:01] | justinh: | and now there's no way to know the password. you'll have to reset it. oh dear oh dear oh dear |
| [14:22:35] | justinh: | that's why I asked if you'd actually read the nice popups the install process would have spat at you |
| [14:23:02] | matt_ubuntu: | i still now the password |
| [14:23:06] | matt_ubuntu: | oops |
| [14:23:07] | matt_ubuntu: | know |
| [14:23:12] | justinh: | I did suggest to them they should put a 30 minute timeout on them or something instead of making them dismissable with a keypress |
| [14:24:04] | matt_ubuntu: | so there is simple version of mythtv? without installation a new os |
| [14:24:05] | Dagmar: | ^ADCC SEND longassfilenameofmorethan13characters 0 0 0^A |
| [14:24:08] | Dagmar: | wrong channel. |
| [14:24:10] | Dagmar: | *sigh* |
| [14:24:39] | Dagmar: | Trying to explain to one of my friends that he needs to actually "4 REELY" install an upgraded firmware on his Linksys router |
| [14:25:07] | Dagmar: | ...which may involve discussions with Linksys, becuase he said he already did it, and he isn't a stupid guy by any means. |
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| [14:25:42] | matt_ubuntu: | so no one to help me...??? |
| [14:25:56] | Dagmar: | Perhaps there is... someone... |
| [14:26:07] | matt_ubuntu: | would be grateful |
| [14:26:23] | justinh: | don't see any fscking point if I'm honest |
| [14:26:30] | Dagmar: | Far to the north, deep in the artic tundra, he has a sizeable abode made of crystals. |
| [14:26:51] | Nido: | is it normal to have the mysql daemon running at ~ 60 percent because of mythtv? |
| [14:26:53] | matt_ubuntu: | justinh... i'll be good listener :) |
| [14:27:22] | Dagmar: | Nido: Well, provided MythTV is actaulyl *doing* somethign with it at the moment |
| [14:27:45] | matt_ubuntu: | i've invested so much into getting ubuntu and mythtv to work |
| [14:27:56] | justinh: | no you bloody haven't! |
| [14:28:01] | matt_ubuntu: | $ and time |
| [14:28:38] | matt_ubuntu: | how do i uninstall it all so i can start fresh |
| [14:28:49] | justinh: | download mythbuntu |
| [14:28:55] | justinh: | install that. problem solved |
| [14:29:06] | justinh: | but for pete's sakes read the docs |
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| [14:29:37] | matt_ubuntu: | is mythbuntu a package or different os distribution that i need to clean install? |
| [14:29:46] | Dagmar: | It's a different distribution |
| [14:30:00] | Dagmar: | It will hold your hand through most of the installtion. |
| [14:30:18] | Dagmar: | ...which is what you need becuase it's very clear by now you have no intention of reading the documentation. |
| [14:30:44] | otwin: | matt_ubuntu: is your tuner card even known to work in linux? |
| [14:31:02] | matt_ubuntu: | im sure it does |
| [14:31:19] | justinh: | hvr1800 – it works by the skin of its teeth, if you're lucky |
| [14:31:21] | matt_ubuntu: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppage_HVR-1800 |
| [14:31:27] | Nido: | Dagmar: it may be inserting songs into the database. Yet, I don't recall ever having this much of an activity in mysql. |
| [14:31:36] | Dagmar: | Guys, your spoiling all the suprisesd. |
| [14:31:48] | matt_ubuntu: | what surprise :) |
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| [14:31:56] | Dagmar: | Nido: Congratulations... this app actually "uses the hell out of" the database |
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| [14:33:14] | Nido: | :) |
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| [14:33:43] | mib_8d44e1: | Well I'll be damned. |
| [14:34:29] | mib_8d44e1: | I'm going to have to play with this more later. |
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| [14:34:47] | Dagmar: | That mibbit thing is pretty cool |
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| [14:36:24] | matt_ubuntu: | is there anything i would lose out by installing mythbuntu versus mythtv package? |
| [14:36:34] | matt_ubuntu: | feature wise? |
| [14:36:37] | Dagmar: | The hatred of everyone around you? |
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| [14:37:25] | Dagmar: | Hours of staring at a text console trying to get it to work? |
| [14:37:34] | iamlindoro_: | I wanted to log in and let everyone know that I wholeheartedly support everything that's going on here right now |
| [14:37:43] | iamlindoro_: | and that I love every last one of your surly bastards |
| [14:37:46] | iamlindoro_: | er you |
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| [14:38:16] | Dagmar: | Ya im like tewtelly convinced |
| [14:38:42] | ivor: | iamlindoro: I think juski's logged out actually.... :) |
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| [14:42:43] | Dabian: | I seem to have a problem with my XMLTV-something .. it cannot fetch program data anymore. WOuld that possibly affect my ability to switch channel in Live tv? |
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| [14:43:26] | Dagmar: | That depends on if your MythTV box still knows about any channels. |
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| [14:43:51] | Dabian: | It seems to know the channels. |
| [14:44:17] | Dabian: | However, I have to use ivtv to switch channels .. the remote switching seems to switch .. but does nought. |
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| [14:45:44] | Dabian: | My guide doesn't get any data. |
| [14:45:54] | Dabian: | Oh ... and there is another thing that puzzles me. |
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| [14:46:13] | Dabian: | I think the tuners used to be named "Tuner 1" and "Tuner 2" .. now both are stuck as "Tuner 1" ? |
| [14:48:55] | Dabian: | OK .. Now I ran mythtv-setup .. and now I am able to switch channels again ... |
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| [14:52:41] | Dabian: | Wierd. |
| [14:54:18] | Dabian: | Now I cannot change channel again!? |
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| [14:58:49] | Dabian: | OK .. now I can again ... maybe I just lost patience then. |
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| [15:47:46] | bahadunn: | can mythtv do video playlists? |
| [15:48:02] | iamlindoro_: | If you mean Mythvideo, then no. |
| [15:48:18] | bahadunn: | I dont know what I mean |
| [15:48:27] | iamlindoro_: | Then I don't know how to answer you :) |
| [15:48:29] | sphery: | If you mean MythTV (recordings playback), then yes. |
| [15:48:42] | bahadunn: | someone else asked me if mythtv can do video playlists |
| [15:48:49] | bahadunn: | I did not know the answer so I came here to ask |
| [15:49:00] | sphery: | With MythVideo, the closest to the playlist is "File to always play after this" (or something like that) |
| [15:49:02] | bahadunn: | I never heard of mythvideo before |
| [15:49:21] | sphery: | MythVideo is a plugin for MythTV that plays videos other than recordings. |
| [15:49:34] | sphery: | MythTV is a TV recording application that plays back recordings it makes. |
| [15:49:36] | bahadunn: | oh okay |
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| [15:51:33] | sphery: | So, with MythVideo, I can play back the 2004 Play It Cyber Safe antipiracy videos or the circa 1980 antipiracy video (which is a classic). With MythTV, I can play back Lost or Reaper or whatever TV shows I recorded for later playback. |
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| [16:02:55] | iamlindoro_: | Ummm.... he told me to tell you "thank you." |
| [16:06:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: :) |
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| [16:22:43] | ** iamlindoro_ tries to figure a way to convince work to buy one of those little dell studio machines so that he can test it... erm... for the benefit of the Myth community. Yeah, that's it. ** | |
| [16:24:51] | justinh: | or for the benefit of making your desk space look uglier. one of the two ;) |
| [16:24:53] | iamlindoro_: | And in no way because when he comes back from camping in a week, all the heavy lifting equipment is moving into the closet and he wants a nice, tiny, quiet, HDMI-equipped linux friendly system to netboot upstairs :) |
| [16:25:51] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Believe me, I have the standard vomitous reaction to the Dell stuff, but I'm actually kind of impressed by those little studio Hybrids.... even a broken watch is right twice a day, I guess |
| [16:26:28] | justinh: | hmm I suppose as PCs from major vendors go it's not *that* fugly |
| [16:32:29] | justinh: | oh disappointing. that new web search thingy didn't bring up any porn when I searched on my own name |
| [16:33:14] | iamlindoro_: | did you mean: "Horny?" |
| [16:33:15] | iamlindoro_: | ;) |
| [16:33:36] | justinh: | rofl |
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| [16:33:38] | Dagmar: | justinh: cuil.com? |
| [16:33:45] | justinh: | aye that's the one Dagmar |
| [16:33:56] | iamlindoro_: | My most retarded coworker actually JUST walked in my office and goes "Have you tried it? It's actually better than Google!" |
| [16:34:11] | Dagmar: | Yeah I've *not a f**king clue* what the point of inserting completely f**king random clip art into the results is supposed to be |
| [16:34:19] | Dagmar: | Your coworker is definitely retarded. |
| [16:34:24] | iamlindoro_: | he left and my officemate and we go... ummm... no. It's not. |
| [16:34:28] | iamlindoro_: | er and I |
| [16:34:44] | Dagmar: | Have them search my full pseudonym as an example of uniqueness and lack of coverage |
| [16:35:26] | iamlindoro_: | I like that "17 kajillion unique pages indexed!" |
| [16:35:28] | iamlindoro_: | LIES! |
| [16:35:30] | Dagmar: | Scratch that, Google did something weird and I'm only coming up there 6,450 times |
| [16:35:50] | Dagmar: | It was >40,000 a few weeks aho |
| [16:35:54] | Dagmar: | s/aho/ago/; |
| [16:36:25] | justinh: | maybe you simply ceased to exist |
| [16:36:26] | Dagmar: | Still, random freaking web clip art and triple-column formatting doesn't mean it's any more useful than google |
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| [16:36:30] | Dagmar: | I might have |
| [16:36:32] | justinh: | that *would* indeed be surreal ;) |
| [16:36:45] | Dagmar: | I was asleep some of that time, so I wouldnt' have noticed it so long as I was put back before I woke up. |
| [16:37:20] | justinh: | how the fack have I got an account on launchpad? don't ever remember opening one. a contributor to ubuntu isn't anything I've ever been willing to call myself |
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| [16:38:15] | justinh: | roflmao.. "No karma has yet been assigned to Justin Hornsby" |
| [16:38:25] | justinh: | they must read the logs |
| [16:38:31] | Dagmar: | Whoa |
| [16:38:34] | iamlindoro_: | Angelina Jolie XX video free! Nice! I knew if I watched long enough something worthwhile would come up on -users |
| [16:38:36] | Dagmar: | I smell foul play |
| [16:38:55] | Dagmar: | Some of the links that are coming up in cuil are links that expired a while back |
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| [16:39:25] | Dagmar: | You know, it would be hilarious to find out if they're supplementing their searches with Google searches. |
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| [16:39:50] | justinh: | or even just making up the numbers with dead links |
| [16:41:49] | bilbo75: | hello room,a question.. does the youtube plugin works in mythtv 0.21.1fixes? |
| [16:41:58] | Dagmar: | We have no idea. |
| [16:42:15] | Dagmar: | We might know something once 0.21.1-fixes comes out. |
| [16:42:24] | iamlindoro_: | And once a youtube plugin comes out |
| [16:42:31] | jarle: | Anybody here using mac mini as frontend? I'm wondering if it would be possible to choose in a bootloader if I want boot MacOS from the HD or Linux (and mythtv) via netboot? |
| [16:42:37] | Dagmar: | You should talk to the people you get your code from. |
| [16:42:37] | iamlindoro_: | unless you count *shudder* Mythstream |
| [16:43:03] | Dagmar: | jarle: That's pretty much not a MythTv problem |
| [16:43:27] | bilbo75: | sorry |
| [16:44:25] | Dagmar: | jarle: Hey look, there's your question pasted into google |
| [16:44:25] | Dagmar: | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=o . . . ;btnG=Search |
| [16:44:29] | iamlindoro_: | jarle: AFAIK that *should* be possible |
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| [16:44:58] | Dagmar: | OMG look an answer |
| [16:45:16] | Dagmar: | ...and it's on the wiki! |
| [16:45:16] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Diskless_Mac-Mini_Howto |
| [16:45:21] | Dagmar: | o.O |
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| [16:45:40] | jarle: | I was just assuming that there was somebody actually *using* such a setup in this channel.. |
| [16:45:47] | c4tel: | hello world |
| [16:45:58] | Dagmar: | Yeah, so why ask 15 loons when you can ask 150 million? |
| [16:46:33] | Dagmar: | Most of the idlers in here kinda have an interest in "simple" and "durable" over "fragile/elegant" |
| [16:46:48] | iamlindoro_: | My primary interest is in "vagina" |
| [16:47:02] | Dagmar: | Heh last night mine was "photo corners". |
| [16:47:26] | Dagmar: | So, two poster frames filled with rave flyers... and um... three shoeboxes full of rave flyers to go. |
| [16:47:38] | jarle: | Dagmar: being able to netboot is not the problem, being able to actually *choose* at bootup is the core of my question. The wiki (which I have of course read) seems to indicate that wether it should boot from HD or network needs to be set in nvram in a semi-permanent way... |
| [16:47:56] | Dagmar: | jarle: You don't exactly get to pick |
| [16:48:14] | keith4: | you can just hold down N, you know |
| [16:48:15] | Dagmar: | Netbooting doesn't boot a bootstrap. |
| [16:48:18] | Dagmar: | It boots an OS. |
| [16:48:28] | Dagmar: | Netbooting _is_ the bootstrap |
| [16:49:00] | jarle: | keith4: I didn't know, I've never had a mac |
| [16:49:10] | keith4: | netbooting might be a choice if you boot up and hold the option key, too. i don't remember, and I'm not rebooting to find out |
| [16:49:42] | Dagmar: | I can tell you for sure that netbooting itself will not present you with a list of images that might be available on the network |
| [16:49:52] | keith4: | right |
| [16:50:00] | Dagmar: | dhcp/bootp take the first thing handed to them |
| [16:50:18] | keith4: | unless you netboot another bootloader, or something |
| [16:51:19] | Dagmar: | Yeah, I've never even tried to use a chainloader over tftp |
| [16:51:23] | Dagmar: | Not sure if it's doable |
| [16:51:32] | keith4: | i think it is |
| [16:52:44] | keith4: | i think you can tftp boot the etherboot (gPXE) bootloader, for example |
| [16:53:14] | ** jarle would like to have netboot the default, but still being able to boot into macos on the HD if I so choose once in a while.. ** | |
| [16:53:15] | keith4: | http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/pxechaining |
| [16:53:35] | Dagmar: | That's entirely up to the BIOS |
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| [16:58:49] | keith4: | yah, not sure how the mac would do with that |
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| [17:29:02] | justinh: | keith4: you can always slap a bootloader on a USB stick |
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| [17:37:32] | Kezza491: | Hi ya |
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| [17:38:48] | Kezza491: | i am trying to set up my channel grabber but in the listings i cant find my grabber only "No Grabber", "North America" and "Transmitted guide only" but i am after "tv_grab_au" |
| [17:39:45] | Kezza491: | have i forgotten to do somthing |
| [17:41:19] | jams: | so iamlindoro, when does the dell studio hybid arrive? |
| [17:41:41] | otwin: | Kezza491: maybe installing the tv_grab_au grabber? |
| [17:41:44] | iamlindoro_: | About five days after I knock over the bank across the way |
| [17:42:00] | Kezza491: | its installed |
| [17:42:15] | Kezza491: | /usr/bin/tv_grab_au |
| [17:42:34] | jams: | only thing that really concerns me is the intel video card |
| [17:42:38] | Kezza491: | i can run the command but mythtv-setup dose not see it |
| [17:43:06] | justinh: | jams: intel works fine enough for mythtv in linux IME |
| [17:43:29] | otwin: | Kezza491: my grabbers are in /usr/local/bin/ – i don't know how and where myth for the grabbers though |
| [17:43:32] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, I hae heard goo experiences with Intel thus far, but perhaps there's something I don't know |
| [17:43:39] | jams: | not so much with my experiance |
| [17:44:35] | justinh: | you're likely to have more luck with intel than with ati in the short term though ;) |
| [17:44:46] | jams: | can't argue that one |
| [17:45:31] | justinh: | even if there's a new chipset not currently supported it probably won't take them long to sort it out |
| [17:46:07] | iamlindoro_: | I think it's 965 based? (X3100) Think there's good/decent linux support for it (Xv, at least) |
| [17:46:36] | justinh: | Xv is really all you need anyway |
| [17:46:41] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [17:47:01] | justinh: | even myth's use of opengl isn't so demanding software gl can't cope.. AFAIK |
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| [17:47:38] | jams: | i have a gm965 it's a bit touchy at times |
| [17:47:39] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, I won't treat myself to any fancy new hardware until I get the home renovation project done to rerun all the wiring for the beastly backend into the new computer closet |
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| [17:48:14] | jams: | doesn't really care for custom modelines, and sometimes fails to init the screen |
| [17:48:27] | iamlindoro_: | and maybe one of these days I won't update my myth install biweekly, and will just let it work for once instead of breaking it all the time :) |
| [17:48:53] | Dagmar: | Liar. |
| [17:49:01] | iamlindoro_: | I *said* "maybe" |
| [17:49:06] | Dagmar: | LIAR. |
| [17:49:26] | Dagmar: | Are you planning on an extended hospital stay? Perhaps in the coma wing? |
| [17:49:34] | iamlindoro_: | ok ok |
| [17:49:35] | iamlindoro_: | you got me |
| [17:50:30] | iamlindoro_: | In fairness, the only reason I'm running trunk right now is for HD-PVR support, so maybe .22 will be when I settle for a bit? |
| [17:50:51] | iamlindoro_: | until MythReachAround goes into trunk for .23 that is |
| [17:51:02] | justinh: | heh the curse of early adopters :P |
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| [17:51:31] | kormoc: | Dagmar, what are you going on about? |
| [17:52:09] | justinh: | anyway I have it on good authority that if ATI have working drivers for the variant of card you've got, chances are they're the best show in town in terms of niceness. But that 'if' is a very big game of pot luck |
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| [18:00:23] | Dagmar: | kormoc: iamlindoro claiming that he might start "just using" mythtv instead of tinkering |
| [18:03:29] | riddlebox: | can you write a script and have it run as an user job after every recording? |
| [18:03:47] | Dagmar: | That's what user jobs are for, so... |
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| [18:04:03] | riddlebox: | Dagmar, its weird I have a script in there and it doesnt run |
| [18:04:27] | Dagmar: | Specify the full path to it |
| [18:04:42] | Dagmar: | Check your spelling, make sure it's marked executeable, etc |
| [18:04:50] | riddlebox: | ok i will do that, cant right now, at work |
| [18:05:19] | sphery: | and make sure you have user jobs enabled on the rule and the host(s) |
| [18:05:38] | riddlebox: | and also is there a way to automate myth.rebuilddatabase.pl? so it will just go through and update the database? |
| [18:06:15] | Dagmar: | Why would you need to run that so frequently? |
| [18:06:21] | sphery: | sure, you can trust that crusty old script to run automatically and insert not-helpful data into the DB |
| [18:06:45] | sphery: | there's some kind of yes command-line option that allows you to specify the answers to its interactive questions |
| [18:06:56] | sphery: | and you can hope that the script doesn't break your DB |
| [18:07:05] | riddlebox: | it is to convert any nuv file that gets recorded into a mpg file, then update the database so that I can view it with my mediamvp |
| [18:07:15] | riddlebox: | sphery, what do you recomend then? |
| [18:07:15] | Dagmar: | ...as well as google for "writing init scripts for (distribution name here)" |
| [18:07:51] | Dagmar: | riddle: So basically, why can't you just have it automatically _transcode_ the video? |
| [18:08:17] | riddlebox: | Dagmar, not all files are nuv for me, just my third tuner is |
| [18:08:18] | sphery: | riddlebox: my recommendation is to have an actual frontend rather than a mediamvp ;) |
| [18:08:44] | Dagmar: | riddle: So basically, why can't you just have it automatically _transcode_ the video, instead of deliberately breaking the relationship between database entries and filenames? |
| [18:09:01] | riddlebox: | Dagmar, I have a pvr500 for tuner 1 and 2 and a pinnacle 800i for 3 |
| [18:09:21] | Dagmar: | You KNOW THE TRANSCODER PROFILES ARE DEFINED ON A PER TUNER CARD BASIS, RIGHT? |
| [18:09:24] | sphery: | we don't currently have a transcode to MPEG-2 capability and, TTBOMK, the mediamvp only plays MPEG-2 |
| [18:09:24] | Dagmar: | oops capslock |
| [18:09:36] | riddlebox: | hehe |
| [18:10:05] | riddlebox: | sphery, mpeg1 and 2 I think |
| [18:10:18] | sphery: | well, at least, not NUV |
| [18:10:29] | sphery: | some people have done that kind of thing with scripts. |
| [18:10:31] | riddlebox: | yeah |
| [18:10:46] | sphery: | I think there's one on the wiki that transcodes with nuvexport and then replaces the original |
| [18:11:03] | Dagmar: | There is. |
| [18:11:06] | sphery: | and fixes the DB to work with the original (including building a proper seektable) |
| [18:11:22] | riddlebox: | sphery, really? |
| [18:11:42] | Dagmar: | riddlebox: You've asked three questions. |
| [18:12:00] | Dagmar: | For the answers to two of them to not be in the wiki would be a statistical aberration. |
| [18:12:12] | Dagmar: | I'm just sayin'. |
| [18:12:19] | riddlebox: | I have been searching |
| [18:12:24] | sphery: | riddlebox: don't know if this is the one you want, but: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Nuvexpor . . . _The_Process |
| [18:12:29] | Dagmar: | I can believe it |
| [18:12:41] | Dagmar: | The wiki's search box is about as limp as mediawiki usually is |
| [18:13:28] | sphery: | that's what Google is for: nuvexport job site:www.mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [18:13:36] | Dagmar: | CHEATER. |
| [18:15:20] | riddlebox: | this is what I have done, http://pastebin.ca/1087402 |
| [18:15:38] | sphery: | riddlebox: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User_Jobs |
| [18:15:42] | Dagmar: | Yeah, that's flirting with disaster |
| [18:16:02] | sphery: | disaster is kind of attractive... |
| [18:16:24] | riddlebox: | hehe |
| [18:18:37] | clever: | ugh |
| [18:18:43] | clever: | my nvidia card up and stoped working |
| [18:18:56] | clever: | FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia |
| [18:18:56] | clever: | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| [18:19:53] | Dagmar: | One of these days you are going to learn to interpret messages correctly. |
| [18:20:12] | clever: | i know its not the card thats at fault |
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| [18:20:22] | riddlebox: | so I can either set it up to transcode everything through a user job, or maybe set that card up to transcode the files automatically... |
| [18:20:31] | Dagmar: | You sure about that? "<clever> my nvidia card up and stoped working" |
| [18:20:43] | clever: | i mean the driver+card+xorg just stoped working |
| [18:20:44] | dustybin: | why dont someone invent a RAID controller card what uses linux software RAID ? |
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| [18:21:04] | dustybin: | on a EEPROM or flash or something |
| [18:21:09] | clever: | sudo /sbin/lrm-video nvidia;echo $? |
| [18:21:10] | clever: | 1 |
| [18:21:20] | clever: | trying to modprobe nvidia causes that script to get ran |
| [18:21:21] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Because they're all afraid their hard-won secretive XOR technology will get stolen by the Chinese |
| [18:21:30] | dustybin: | :-0 |
| [18:21:48] | Dagmar: | That and we've got md and lvm |
| [18:22:08] | dustybin: | Dagmar: i mean a open source RAID controller card |
| [18:22:33] | dustybin: | hardware is needed for RAID because it frees up CPU, PCI bandwidth and can be faster |
| [18:22:55] | dustybin: | i dont like the idea of relying on closed source dodgy 3ware firmware |
| [18:23:15] | clever: | odd |
| [18:23:19] | clever: | nvidia_new isnt found |
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| [18:24:39] | clever: | ahh |
| [18:24:47] | clever: | the script used -Q so modprobe refused to show the error |
| [18:25:04] | clever: | now to find out where my nvidia_new went |
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| [18:25:40] | clever: | depmod fixed everything |
| [18:26:41] | clever: | seems odd that the kernel was missing a depmod |
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| [18:36:14] | Kezza491: | with mythweb how do you set it up so only your localnetwork can access it? |
| [18:38:03] | kormoc: | by setting up a .htaccess file |
| [18:38:15] | Kezza491: | its wants me to modify |
| [18:38:21] | Kezza491: | Access denied. Please edit /etc/httpd/conf/webapps.d/mythweb.conf to give access to this resource. |
| [18:38:51] | Kezza491: | and i have i changed the rule to "Allow from 192.168.0.*" |
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| [18:49:33] | justinh: | better to start life as mpeg2 though, n'est pas? ;) |
| [18:49:46] | justinh: | oh bugger. heh |
| [18:52:42] | otwin: | Kezza491: mythweb.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1087466 |
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| [18:54:56] | c4t3l: | hello guys |
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| [19:23:25] | justinh: | mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroller="Definitely time to take the dog for a walk & it's not my turn :)" |
| [19:23:59] | Dagmar: | This is where justinh learns about the bug in the OSD scroller |
| [19:23:59] | black_Nightmare_: | justinh heheh |
| [19:24:21] | Dagmar: | THe one where the moment "Definitely..." hits the left edge of the screen, it considers the scrolling to be all done and fades out. |
| [19:24:40] | Dagmar: | His SO may never see the "it's not my turn" part |
| [19:26:10] | justinh: | oh shat. it should've been mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="foo" |
| [19:27:42] | black_Nightmare_: | :p |
| [19:31:14] | otwin: | justinh: and it doesn't like '&' here |
| [19:32:26] | Dagmar: | It's racist against ampersands |
| [19:32:43] | sutula: | Does the database keep any info concerning resolutions, etc. for recorded files? I'm wondering if I'm free to transcode with command-line stuff and stick the output back as the same filename, in the same place...or does that mess up something? |
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| [19:33:05] | sphery: | sutula: no, not yet |
| [19:33:13] | sphery: | (does not keep info, yet) |
| [19:33:44] | sutula: | sphery: Thanks |
| [19:33:50] | sphery: | it does have file size (in bytes) and the seektable needs to be rebuilt if you replace the file |
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| [19:34:07] | sphery: | mythcommflag --rebuild or mythtranscode --buildindex (depending on video type, etc.) |
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| [19:34:21] | sutula: | sphery: OK |
| [19:35:02] | justinh: | otwin: ahh, prolly the same way XML is allergic to ampersands too |
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| [19:39:28] | justinh: | oh ffs, given the job of editing another holiday video. wouldn't mind if somebody's idea of videoing something didn't involve just walking around with the camcorder. oh well, quick fade between all shots & I'm done |
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| [19:42:20] | black_Nightmare_: | heh justinh I could probably have given you some interesting video (many short clips on single miniDV in one visit) to actually edit if you wanted :p |
| [19:44:05] | justinh: | that'd be fine if I had my own miniDV machine |
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| [19:47:27] | black_Nightmare_: | hm...yeah |
| [19:47:50] | black_Nightmare_: | I still haven't quite gotten around to figuring any mean of getting off minidv's than just plugging its composite cable into the vcr for longer-keeping |
| [19:47:58] | black_Nightmare_: | (at the moment now anyway) |
| [19:49:00] | andreax: | Today I showed the iphone mythfrontend – video at work to a iphone user. I guess hist mouth is left still open... hrhr |
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| [19:49:46] | black_Nightmare_: | andreax hehe :) |
| [19:50:02] | andreax: | tbh: mine too.. :) |
| [19:50:56] | bsdfox_: | hey nightmare you ever get your k6 based arcade machine built? |
| [19:51:27] | Kezza491: | Using lirc dose anyone know how to tell if a device is getting caught via lirc? |
| [19:52:42] | black_Nightmare_: | arcade? |
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| [19:56:39] | keith4: | Kezza491: yah, run the command-line client |
| [19:56:56] | Kezza491: | Hmm i get nothing |
| [19:57:06] | keith4: | try "irw" |
| [19:57:51] | Kezza491: | Ahh sweet i am getting output |
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| [19:58:35] | Kezza491: | even though it dose not seem to be afecting the the actual menu of mythTV |
| [19:58:46] | keith4: | there are a few more layers you need to worry about |
| [19:58:54] | keith4: | there are also lots of howtos for lirc + mythtv |
| [19:59:04] | Kezza491: | Ohh ok |
| [20:03:00] | Kezza491: | wouldn't happen to know any of theses howtos would you by chance :D |
| [20:03:36] | andreax: | Aww, great. I got a bonus from work – I can assemble my new backend... \o/ |
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| [20:16:08] | Kezza491: | is there a keybinding any where in mythTV that allows you to turn turn off the machine? |
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| [20:16:46] | iamlindoro_: | holy lack of patience batman |
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| [20:20:09] | Dagmar: | Well, he probably FOUND it |
| [20:23:27] | iamlindoro_: | hahaah |
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| [20:29:35] | c4t3l: | Kezza491: you mean with remote control? |
| [20:29:50] | Dagmar: | He's long gone, dude |
| [20:30:12] | c4t3l: | hehe, damn this irssi!! |
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| [20:43:38] | wagnerrp: | what, no quit messages? |
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| [21:01:18] | thedarkone: | has anyone tryed heliocreek? |
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| [21:02:04] | wagnerrp: | is it really a fork, or just an alternative frontend? |
| [21:02:18] | thedarkone: | no clue |
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| [21:06:11] | iamlindoro_: | It's the broken .20 version that forked for no reason |
| [21:06:18] | iamlindoro_: | that nobody has touched in forever |
| [21:06:32] | iamlindoro_: | with a dumb name |
| [21:06:51] | wagnerrp: | well it seems to be named after the head programmer |
| [21:07:11] | iamlindoro_: | That's no more sensible than it was with Reiser :) |
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| [21:07:43] | ** dustybin hacks into iamlindoro_ computer and rm -r /mnt/mythtv_recordings ** | |
| [21:07:56] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, good luck with that |
| [21:08:03] | dustybin: | :P |
| [21:08:07] | iamlindoro_: | a) I actually erase shit |
| [21:08:25] | iamlindoro_: | b) that's not where my recording would be if I had any |
| [21:08:33] | iamlindoro_: | c) I'm not home |
| [21:08:37] | rmf_: | after a recent upgrade I no longer see movie descriptions in mythtv-video, any ideas? (i'm running mythbuntu 8.04.1 and mythtv 0.21.0+fixes16838–0ubuntu3.1) |
| [21:08:40] | iamlindoro_: | d) and you couldn't get into my home if I was :) |
| [21:08:51] | dustybin: | </social.engineering_part1> |
| [21:09:00] | rmf_: | =P |
| [21:09:02] | iamlindoro_: | The first word of that is "social" |
| [21:09:08] | iamlindoro_: | and that only applies to one of us |
| [21:09:18] | iamlindoro_: | social != part collectiong shutin |
| [21:09:22] | iamlindoro_: | er collecting |
| [21:09:26] | wagnerrp: | i should really take the time to go through and lock down my machine |
| [21:09:40] | wagnerrp: | right now, permissions are a kludgy mess just to make things work |
| [21:10:26] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: there is a excellent command for that: namei |
| [21:10:58] | wagnerrp: | well that seems to be a function, rather than a command |
| [21:11:05] | dustybin: | it might help |
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| [21:14:24] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro are there any good alternative frontends? |
| [21:14:59] | sphery: | why would you need an alternative? |
| [21:15:05] | iamlindoro_: | thedarkone: What he said |
| [21:15:24] | wagnerrp: | gloss is fancy, but its very buggy |
| [21:15:35] | iamlindoro_: | There's nothing out there that even approaches the functionality of the regular frontend |
| [21:15:40] | sphery: | TTBOMK, all "alternative" frontends are less featureful and don't keep up with development. |
| [21:15:41] | wagnerrp: | besides that, mythui in 0.22 is supposedly going to make a lot of changes |
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| [21:16:36] | iamlindoro_: | Given what I saw touted as the "best" sage theme the other day, I would say pretties are in the eye of the beholder :) |
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| [21:16:38] | thedarkone: | but is .22 still vey buggy? |
| [21:17:04] | wagnerrp: | i would assume its not really even functional |
| [21:17:11] | sphery: | (don't keep up with development means that authors write it thinking they're doing something useful for everyone, then a new Myth version is released, and the author has moved on to some other pet project and never updates the "alternative" frontend) |
| [21:17:11] | iamlindoro_: | trunk has stabilized substantially in the last few months, but the QT4 porting and MythUI writing continue |
| [21:17:30] | sphery: | and really, you shouldn't be using trunk unless you're doing dev |
| [21:17:54] | dustybin: | how many top main coders are there on the mythtv project |
| [21:18:05] | sphery: | even then, running trunk only on a dev box (with -fixes on the "production" box(es)) is a good idea--that's what I'm doing |
| [21:18:33] | sphery: | dustybin: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/GoToDev |
| [21:18:37] | sphery: | not all are active |
| [21:18:39] | dustybin: | aye thanks |
| [21:18:45] | ** J-e-f-f-A|work switched to -fixes when 0.21 was released... ;-) ** | |
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| [21:18:59] | iamlindoro_: | and at least one is lost in the cold depths of space |
| [21:19:04] | ** sphery switched to -fixes when trunk went Qt4 ** | |
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| [21:19:07] | iamlindoro_: | and seems to have been for almost two years |
| [21:19:15] | dustybin: | isaac is the guy who invented mythtv i think |
| [21:19:17] | sphery: | ? |
| [21:19:20] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro i am using .21 i was looking for something fancier |
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| [21:19:24] | sphery: | who's lost in space? |
| [21:19:31] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: ghaushe |
| [21:19:47] | sphery: | dustybin: yeah, Isaac = ijr = guy who started the project |
| [21:19:54] | dustybin: | aye |
| [21:20:07] | iamlindoro_: | thedarkone: What's fancy? Do you mean eye candy, features, what? |
| [21:20:47] | sphery: | if features, nothing is fancier than mythfrontend |
| [21:20:47] | iamlindoro_: | gloss has eye candy but no features or stability, standard frontend has features and some eye candy, MythUI will add the ability to use eye candy AND have all features, so probably best just to hang in there |
| [21:20:53] | dustybin: | so basically the core coders do the main parts of the code and the whole world can add patches to it? |
| [21:20:59] | thedarkone: | features |
| [21:20:59] | sphery: | if eye candy, try Windows MCE |
| [21:21:12] | sphery: | mythfrontend supports all the features mythtv supports |
| [21:21:19] | iamlindoro_: | thedarkone: No frontend for myth has (or probably ever will have) more functionality than the authentic one |
| [21:21:23] | thedarkone: | like youtube |
| [21:22:28] | sphery: | well, there is heliocreek, but that's a fork of Myth http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/ |
| [21:22:29] | thedarkone: | i am using mythstream |
| [21:22:50] | iamlindoro_: | and it's a fork that won't run with current versions of the backend :) |
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| [21:23:10] | thedarkone: | sphery i tried to install it but couldn't figure out how |
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| [21:23:28] | iamlindoro_: | If you're using .21, it won't work with it anyway |
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| [21:23:37] | thedarkone: | i see |
| [21:23:50] | thedarkone: | is there a youtube plugin? |
| [21:23:54] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5589 may or may not go into Myth. |
| [21:24:17] | iamlindoro_: | Neato! |
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| [21:24:34] | justinh: | heliocreak.. lol |
| [21:24:37] | sphery: | However, there's LinuxMCE, which may or may not support YouTube already |
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| [21:24:55] | sphery: | justinh: I wondered why you didn't say anything :) (And, yes, I agree with your sentiments.) |
| [21:25:22] | sphery: | it's MythTV + a bunch of other stuff, one of which may or may not allow YouTube browsing. |
| [21:25:28] | sphery: | it = LinuxMCE |
| [21:25:30] | justinh: | sudo wget http://youtube.com/video; sudo mplayer somefile.mpg |
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| [21:25:59] | sphery: | Though, best bet might be Windows MCE... |
| [21:26:05] | thedarkone: | linuxmce sucks |
| [21:26:16] | ** sphery still doesn't understand the appeal of YouTube ** | |
| [21:26:18] | dustybin: | vixta and linuxmce |
| [21:26:20] | dustybin: | :-S |
| [21:26:36] | justinh: | sphery: for watching clips of copyrighted material illegally uploaded to it, of course! |
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| [21:26:45] | dustybin: | but if it helps to destroy MS then im all for it :) |
| [21:26:48] | thedarkone: | well sphery i have a music studio were we upload our music |
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| [21:27:00] | iamlindoro_: | ooooooooof, looks like he wrote it against .21, do not pass go |
| [21:27:18] | justinh: | destroy MS.. what & force linux on everybody? Yeesh. I know people (including me) who'd go out & buy macs |
| [21:27:21] | sphery: | justinh: Oh. Explains why I didn't see the appeal. |
| [21:27:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: the plugin? |
| [21:27:48] | sphery: | for YouTube? |
| [21:28:00] | iamlindoro_: | seems like-- or at least won't compile against current trunk |
| [21:28:01] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro isn't .20 old? |
| [21:28:10] | sphery: | if so, that's good for thedarkone , but bad for the likelihood of inclusion in upstream |
| [21:28:34] | justinh: | mythnews allows youtube videos to be downloaded & played |
| [21:28:41] | iamlindoro_: | extreme sadness with libmythui |
| [21:28:47] | justinh: | but doesn't allow searching :) |
| [21:28:59] | justinh: | though entering text with remotes is never fun |
| [21:29:14] | justinh: | and if you're willing to use a keyboard, sit at a desk! |
| [21:29:14] | thedarkone: | well linuxmce uses mythtv 0.20 |
| [21:29:26] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Makefile was generated with Qt 4.4.0, so I'm guessing it's not 0.21-fixes |
| [21:30:03] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: hmm... will take another look at it, perhaps it's some very recent change that breaks its compile |
| [21:30:04] | ** justinh wonders if youtube's T&Cs allow such tomfoolery anyway ** | |
| [21:30:12] | sphery: | thedarkone: really... I wonder if they'll ever update to 0.21... |
| [21:30:31] | iamlindoro_: | I would guess if they allow embedding, and since all the videos are watermarked and branded anyway, that it's probably not too bad a problem |
| [21:30:56] | justinh: | I mean, since things like mythvideo's IMDB script & mythweather scripts are relentlessly adhering to usage terms on pain of death... |
| [21:31:05] | sphery: | justinh: pretty sure they don't allow the upload of much of the content there (the stuff that Google is now having to pay major studios because it was there) |
| [21:31:05] | dustybin: | rememeber, dont hack kids |
| [21:31:07] | dustybin: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7533916.stm |
| [21:31:18] | justinh: | lol |
| [21:31:21] | sphery: | so, if the uploaders don't care about T's & C's... |
| [21:31:26] | wagnerrp: | yes, hacking up kids is generally considered bad |
| [21:31:42] | justinh: | sphery: other people's previous actions are seldom taken into account when somebody sues you |
| [21:31:56] | justinh: | one area where prior art doesn't seem to apply :P |
| [21:32:27] | thedarkone: | sphery that mythtube says needs qt4 |
| [21:32:48] | iamlindoro_: | thedarkone: It does, and therefore needs trunk |
| [21:32:50] | sphery: | sigh... and the Compiz cube takes center stage on another "look how great this wonderful distro is" page – http://vixta.sourceforge.net/ |
| [21:32:53] | iamlindoro_: | what build of trunk, who knows |
| [21:33:08] | thedarkone: | so it needs .22 |
| [21:33:11] | justinh: | anyway I meant I wonder if youtube's T&Cs allow external programs to scrape & pillage it |
| [21:33:41] | justinh: | oh wait, they provide an API IIRC, so maybe it's fine for now |
| [21:33:45] | iamlindoro_: | thedarkone: insofar as there is no .22 yet, no. It needs trunk. Which will *become* .22 down the road |
| [21:33:54] | jams: | i for one am turned off by the compiz features |
| [21:34:18] | thedarkone: | oh |
| [21:34:21] | wagnerrp: | well with all the devices coming out recently that have youtube access, i have to imaging theres a fairly lax TOS |
| [21:34:34] | iamlindoro_: | So this is like a Aero implementation on top of a linux kernel or something? |
| [21:34:35] | iamlindoro_: | ew |
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| [21:34:59] | thedarkone: | iamlindoro is trunk safe to use? |
| [21:35:09] | Dagmar: | Not for normal users, no. |
| [21:35:22] | wagnerrp: | are you saying you dont like translucent bubbly interfaces? |
| [21:35:23] | iamlindoro_: | thedarkone: It won't give you herpes, but you shouldn't use it unless you're develping against it, as sphery mentioned |
| [21:35:38] | wagnerrp: | its safe to use in that it wont cause your computer to eat your first born child |
| [21:35:42] | Dagmar: | It won't set your house on fire or anything, but the latest release -fixes branch is where you want to go if you just *must* build from source |
| [21:35:45] | iamlindoro_: | let me amend |
| [21:35:50] | iamlindoro_: | It *probably* won't give you herpes |
| [21:35:52] | iamlindoro_: | but it might |
| [21:35:54] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: Compiz = "just because we can" with no regard for "would it be useful" |
| [21:36:12] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: I must admit I've never used compiz, just no attraction for me |
| [21:36:24] | justinh: | sphery: it has OSS-itis, in other words |
| [21:36:25] | wagnerrp: | ive never used a computer that can run compiz |
| [21:36:46] | wagnerrp: | they all have hardware incapabilities |
| [21:36:51] | justinh: | donate $10 per person now so we can hire a team of pro UI designers! |
| [21:37:13] | wagnerrp: | well, thats not true, my mythfrontend could probably run compiz |
| [21:37:20] | iamlindoro_: | Boo hoo, boo hoo, but linex is not teh fr33s! |
| [21:37:30] | iamlindoro_: | er but then |
| [21:37:32] | wagnerrp: | but my laptop is too slow, and all my other machines are multi-monitor |
| [21:37:37] | justinh: | tell your wife she can watch TV spinning on a cube! |
| [21:37:45] | justinh: | she'll jump at the chance! |
| [21:37:46] | sphery: | lol |
| [21:38:11] | justinh: | but look! you can see the player app is in front of the menus! isn't that awesome?! |
| [21:38:17] | wagnerrp: | the WAF is inversely proportional to usefulness? |
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| [21:39:27] | justinh: | wagnerrp: not on planet Earth, no |
| [21:39:37] | sphery: | I really have to wonder how many Compiz users keep all those things--cube/bubbly windows/...--enabled for more than a few minutes |
| [21:39:54] | wagnerrp: | well you need to get mythtv sanctioned by steve jobs |
| [21:40:09] | wagnerrp: | then all the graphical Mac kids will jump on board |
| [21:40:17] | wagnerrp: | instant free graphics design staff |
| [21:40:28] | justinh: | 'free' but not 'Free' |
| [21:40:47] | sphery: | kind of like Google's "open source" phone Android |
| [21:41:02] | sphery: | phone that uses open source software != open source phone |
| [21:41:03] | justinh: | anyway, good graphics is hardly what mythtv has been lacking |
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| [21:41:57] | wagnerrp: | well it lacks the 'shininess' needed for non-geek appeal |
| [21:42:06] | sphery: | I personally know of an extremely artistic theme developer who created many wonderful themes for Myth that are the only ones in my theme rotation (well, those + Metallurgy) |
| [21:42:53] | justinh: | I'm saving theme development til a rainy day |
| [21:43:13] | ** iamlindoro_ releases MSPaint-wide ** | |
| [21:43:16] | sphery: | yeah, a rainy day after mythui is ready for prime time, I hope |
| [21:43:21] | justinh: | got some cool-ish stuff waiting in the wings |
| [21:43:25] | iamlindoro_: | now with twice as much CUBE! |
| [21:43:28] | iamlindoro_: | MOAR CUBE! |
| [21:44:48] | justinh: | sphery: well, here's hoping people can help push the god-awful core themes out to the trash ;) |
| [21:45:19] | sphery: | Hmmm. Looking at the Compiz FAQ, I see a bunch of stuff I didn't expect ( http://compiz.org/FAQ/Users ), but I don't see the one question I expected: wtf? |
| [21:45:19] | justinh: | er.. s/god-awful/ok-for-several-years-ago |
| [21:45:51] | sphery: | Guess those Compiz devs couldn't figure out that their site was hacked because the browser was on the other side of the cube. |
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| [21:46:14] | justinh: | got MCE on my vista laptop. I simply hate the new menu scheme |
| [21:46:49] | justinh: | and they missed some simple features – like they made WMP11 upnp aware, WHY NOT THE MAIN MCE APP?! Duh |
| [21:47:09] | justinh: | no cigar, not even close. ah well |
| [21:47:21] | wagnerrp: | yeah, and why not add upnp back to XP WMP11 |
| [21:47:28] | sphery: | justinh: wouldn't that destroy the market for Media Center Extenders? |
| [21:47:36] | wagnerrp: | i mean they had to spend extra time to make two separate versions |
| [21:47:43] | sphery: | you'd make a terrible CEO of MS |
| [21:47:45] | justinh: | sphery: ah, didn't think of that |
| [21:47:51] | justinh: | :D |
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| [21:48:03] | justinh: | is the extender market really that big though? ;-) |
| [21:48:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, MCE is supposed to be the source of the material, not the sink |
| [21:48:09] | sphery: | (but imagine how much better the world would be if you were CEO of MS...) |
| [21:48:33] | iamlindoro_: | sphery: ah, it actually looks like the makefiles/.pro files are semibroken, but I think it can be made to work |
| [21:48:37] | justinh: | sphery: the devs would still be ironing out the bugs in windows 98 if I was the CEO :P |
| [21:48:50] | wagnerrp: | sphery: what is the pirpose of that link? |
| [21:48:52] | sphery: | probably the best selling extender is XBox 360, with the second best being the update to Windows XP/Vista to allow MCE playback |
| [21:49:27] | hadees: | justinh, you wouldn't have discontinued that line in favor of NT? |
| [21:49:28] | justinh: | sphery: if that's the best.. pfff. my sister has one, teamed up with her desktop machine. sometimes you see the media it shares. most times you have to restart everything about 20 times |
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| [21:49:56] | sphery: | wagnerrp: what link? http://compiz.org/FAQ/Users ? It's the Compiz FAQ. Post hax0r-ing. (And, no, I didn't hack it.) |
| [21:50:45] | justinh: | is 'plug & play' really just 'plug & pray', still? I mean, like it was when PnP was doing everybody's head in... ;-) |
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| [21:51:27] | sphery: | I love UPnP, which is neither Universal nor Plug 'n' Play. |
| [21:52:09] | justinh: | sphery: I think the 'universal' really means like how the human race is universal – in that we're all slightly different & only some of us are able to work together |
| [21:52:30] | sphery: | That's exactly how it seemed to work for me. |
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| [21:53:47] | sphery: | Took me >3hours to get my brother's XBox 360 online because the 360 sent UPnP autoconfig to the router, which did what it thought it was being asked to do. Seems 360 thought it was asking for something different, so it didn't work. |
| [21:54:12] | sphery: | disabled UPnP on the router, manually configured it, and was online immediately |
| [21:54:12] | justinh: | heh maybe they should hire more trojan writers |
| [21:54:42] | justinh: | they seem much more successful at getting outward bound connections without user intervention, after all |
| [21:55:05] | sphery: | Yeah, it completely broke the router's 'net access, too. (Made VNC-based configuration from 1000miles away very challenging.) |
| [21:55:22] | thedarkone: | can i use fios with mythtv? |
| [21:55:28] | thedarkone: | as iptv |
| [21:55:38] | sphery: | Turns out they have a list of certain routers--and router firmware versions--that work with the 360. If you don't use them, MS tells you to get a new router. :) |
| [21:57:57] | sphery: | thedarkone: I don't know. Try http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . re&mh=25 |
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| [22:00:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro_: lol... Seems the mythtube author took mythnews directory and hacked it up. How would I know, you ask? Well, it has the .svn structure from MythNews. :) That should confuse someone's svn client... |
| [22:01:03] | iamlindoro_: | good times |
| [22:02:40] | justinh_: | sphery: sounds about as clever as the plugin that was naughty for using the old ui libs, that became a non-plugin ;) |
| [22:03:21] | sphery: | Actually, hacking up an existing plugin is not a bad way of making a new one. However, when doing so, you should probably delete the .svn structures... |
| [22:03:29] | sid3windr: | sphery: you should also know it because the patch description says "it's based on mythnews" |
| [22:03:34] | sphery: | especially before tar'ing it up |
| [22:03:59] | sid3windr: | tarring it up with .svn also doubles it in size I guess |
| [22:04:01] | justinh_: | svn export |
| [22:04:04] | sphery: | sid3windr: yeah, didn't read the description, but I guess that's another way :) |
| [22:04:19] | justinh_: | still, some kind soul might help clean it up |
| [22:04:29] | justinh_: | that kind of effort should be supported IMHO |
| [22:04:39] | justinh_: | uh-oh. walked into that one |
| [22:05:17] | iamlindoro_: | probably could have done with a .diff for the Mythplugins makefiles, but I may be able to provide that in a few here |
| [22:05:33] | ** dustybin hacks into justinh_ setup and removes all occurances of justinh_ themes ** | |
| [22:05:39] | iamlindoro_: | ummm |
| [22:05:42] | iamlindoro_: | he would thank you for that |
| [22:05:52] | sphery: | I'm sure he just didn't think of it/didn't know SVN well enough to know about .svn, but I thought it was funny. |
| [22:06:04] | justinh_: | dustybin: how do you know I still have any themes at home? |
| [22:06:12] | dustybin: | :o |
| [22:06:21] | sphery: | I heard he uses Windows MCE, now, instead. |
| [22:06:31] | justinh_: | 'waiting in the wings' doesn't necessarily mean I have binaries in the making |
| [22:06:35] | iamlindoro_: | I heard he uses Sage because it has the best bling |
| [22:06:58] | dustybin: | i bet justinh_ is on xp right now speaking on mirc |
| [22:07:04] | justinh_: | when I fall out of love with something oh boy. does it ever get deleted |
| [22:07:05] | sphery: | Wasn't that a sage screenshot posted in here a couple days ago? If so, that was some bling. |
| [22:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | the video I posted? Yar |
| [22:08:30] | sphery: | http://www.geektonic.com/2008/07/sagetv-theme . . . de-1_27.html |
| [22:08:32] | sphery: | that one |
| [22:08:35] | iamlindoro_: | yeah |
| [22:08:55] | sphery: | didn't realize it was a video (I don't enable Flash) |
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| [22:09:15] | sphery: | but, yeah, the one you posted |
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| [22:10:10] | ** justinh_ pukes on his keyboard ** | |
| [22:10:27] | sphery: | he's just jealous |
| [22:10:46] | sphery: | everyone know's that what gbee has in mind for this whole mythui conversion |
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| [22:11:35] | sphery: | I can't believe the author of that post thinks it's "prettier" than the default (and I have no idea what the default looks like) |
| [22:11:38] | justinh_: | the scrolling, I like |
| [22:11:49] | justinh_: | the icons, are all stolen |
| [22:12:26] | sphery: | seems way too busy to me |
| [22:12:59] | justinh_: | sphery: I looked at sagetv themes/skins/whatever a while ago. they make our core themes look like works of art IMHO |
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| [22:14:51] | justinh_: | http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29331 |
| [22:15:15] | justinh_: | tell me mythtv's ui sucks in relation to other pVR programs & I'll give you a good hard smack, I promise |
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| [22:16:35] | justinh_: | er.. at least how it looks :) |
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| [22:22:36] | dustybin: | jeeze the new mythtvUI looks good |
| [22:22:41] | iamlindoro_: | hmm... there we go, patch to make that thing build properly in plugins. |
| [22:22:47] | dustybin: | bloody 'eck |
| [22:23:56] | justinh: | and now I remember I promised myself I was going to redo my lircrc, because I want 30sec skipping back |
| [22:24:45] | ** sphery assumes you have skips set to 30s in Playback Groups, but just removed the skip key from your remote config ** | |
| [22:24:57] | sphery: | (i.e. not trying to change the amount of the skip) |
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| [22:25:31] | justinh: | yup |
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| [22:25:44] | sphery: | that makes sense, then |
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| [22:26:01] | justinh: | bah, can't remember what < and > are supposed to be called |
| [22:26:19] | sid3windr: | less than and greater than? =P |
| [22:27:07] | justinh: | I mean what you put "config = " in a lircrc |
| [22:27:25] | ** dustybin researches 100 watt PSUs for a frontend box ** | |
| [22:27:26] | sid3windr: | oh. :] |
| [22:27:36] | sphery: | I have: config = > |
| [22:27:46] | justinh: | ah so those symbols work :) cool |
| [22:28:32] | sphery: | 100W? What are you running? |
| [22:29:11] | justinh: | oh wait, if I have sticky keys enabled can I still do that but be able to have 30sec skip fwd & back? |
| [22:29:57] | justinh: | I'll find out tomorrow |
| [22:30:04] | justinh: | g'night all |
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| [22:30:09] | dustybin: | sphery: my frontend will need to power, 1. the motherboard, 1 stick of 512meg ram, intelcore2duo 2.5, and maybe a flash memory card |
| [22:30:38] | sphery: | I disabled stickykeys and have > and < for FFWD and REW buttons and have Right and Left for, er, right and left buttons |
| [22:30:59] | sphery: | Right and Left skip, FFWD and REW ffwd and rew |
| [22:31:19] | dustybin: | one day we might see hardware acceleration in graphic cards, but you would still need to buy a compatible graphic card, so what would that be compared to a suitable CPU ? |
| [22:31:38] | dustybin: | the graphic card might cost more than a suitable CPU |
| [22:32:33] | dustybin: | so there isnt any point in waiting for that to happen, just use your CPU for decoding HD |
| [22:32:58] | dustybin: | another advantage, having a extra graphic card decoding HD will heat up your frontend case and use more power |
| [22:33:05] | dustybin: | dis-advantage |
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| [22:33:44] | sphery: | but only 100W? |
| [22:33:54] | dustybin: | sphery: maybe 200W |
| [22:34:33] | sphery: | I was just suprised because that sounded so low. It may be possible. I was just wondering if you knew it was. |
| [22:34:46] | dustybin: | nope just guesses |
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| [22:34:56] | dustybin: | you cannot find a PSU that low watts anyway |
| [22:35:00] | sphery: | I really need to Kill-A-Watt some of my systems. |
| [22:35:00] | dustybin: | the lowest ive found is 300 |
| [22:35:12] | dustybin: | yep i could do with one of them |
| [22:35:54] | directhex: | a higher wattage psu is a better idea |
| [22:36:07] | sphery: | dustybin: I know you can get some DC-DC PSU's at around 100W |
| [22:36:09] | directhex: | very low wattage PSUs tend to be low efficiency, low quality |
| [22:36:30] | sphery: | http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f?sc=8&category=13 |
| [22:36:33] | directhex: | a decent PSU can cope without turning on the (temperature-controlled) fan |
| [22:36:35] | dustybin: | directhex: eek |
| [22:36:40] | directhex: | as well as drawing less on the mains |
| [22:36:48] | directhex: | due to higher efficiency |
| [22:37:16] | dustybin: | my backend/frontend uses a nice silent seasonic |
| [22:37:35] | dustybin: | Hostname: server – OS: Linux 2.6.24-1–686/i686 – CPU: 2 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 (3192.171 MHz) – Processes: 152 – Uptime: 46d 18m – Load Average: 0.95 – Memory Usage: 439.30MB/1011.68MB (43.42%) – Disk Usage: 377.73GB/1363.24GB (27.71%) |
| [22:37:46] | sphery: | http://www.soltronixstore.com/Detail.bok?no=9 and http://www.digitalww.com/store/proddetail.asp?prod=DSATX , or my favorite (but much more wattage) http://www.opussolutions.net/catalog/product_ . . . oducts_id=48 |
| [22:38:45] | dustybin: | interesting |
| [22:39:10] | sphery: | I've been considering going the DC->DC route and hooking it up to a nice deep-cycle marine battery (specifically Concorde Lifeline AGM). |
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| [22:39:32] | dustybin: | http://www.xcase.co.uk/p/346061/seasonic-ss-2 . . . ro-case.html |
| [22:39:52] | sphery: | Only part I haven't figured out is what to use to charge it (afraid battery charger smarts would prevent it from working properly) |
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| [22:45:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: no warning about deleting the .svn dirs? :) |
| [22:45:31] | iamlindoro: | I only lecture when I think I could have done better :) |
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| [22:46:35] | dustybin: | microsoft really are dirty evil people |
| [22:46:40] | dustybin: | http://apcmag.com/vista_sp1_wont_install_on_d . . . icrosoft.htm |
| [22:46:49] | dustybin: | </topic> |
| [22:47:01] | dustybin: | i mean <topic> |
| [22:47:40] | iamlindoro: | might have to do a little patch for core themes, but I guess I better see how/if it works first :) |
| [22:48:56] | wagnerrp: | sphery: if youre using a marine battery, you would just have a dumb charger that runs at a constant 12V |
| [22:49:17] | wagnerrp: | nothing to worry about |
| [22:50:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: would I have to worry about float charge and topping charges (since it would become basically an online UPS, versus a standby UPS; therefore always drawing from the battery)? |
| [22:50:47] | wagnerrp: | if you hold it at 12V, you will never overcharge the battery |
| [22:51:02] | wagnerrp: | however you are correct that the battery will be frequently cycled |
| [22:51:08] | wagnerrp: | leading to shorter life |
| [22:51:39] | wagnerrp: | but thats a problem with all online battery backups |
| [22:52:58] | sphery: | The idea is a modification of http://www.dansdata.com/diyups.htm . He used a desktop power supply and just cranked it up a couple of volts to do a topping charge every 6 months. |
| [22:53:30] | sphery: | s/desktop/bench/ |
| [22:53:40] | wagnerrp: | well if youre going to include topping ability |
| [22:53:48] | wagnerrp: | you need to get an automative power supply |
| [22:53:56] | wagnerrp: | to be able to handle the large voltage range |
| [22:54:02] | wagnerrp: | on the computer side |
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| [22:54:27] | wagnerrp: | since the computer is going to be running at the same voltage as the battery |
| [22:56:04] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Hmmm.... well, it's not necessarily the most prettily themed thing in the world, but I gotta admit, it works. |
| [22:56:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: cool. |
| [22:56:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Amusingly, it still has the MythNews watermark in the lower left :) |
| [22:56:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery: The functionality is there, though, just needs a layout makeover |
| [22:56:49] | sphery: | and usable? doesn't YouTube necessarily involve a lot of searching? |
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| [22:57:46] | iamlindoro: | It just opens with a search box and a "Search" button. Do a search and a scrollable list shows up. Scroll down the list and it shows a preview image and the text posted by the poster. Press OK on one and it downloads and plays. |
| [22:58:03] | sphery: | cool. |
| [22:58:13] | sphery: | and it's playing Flash? |
| [22:58:18] | iamlindoro: | As far as interfaces go, I would rather it be this simple than unnecessarily complex |
| [22:59:24] | iamlindoro: | Yes, it plays, using internal, would need to look under the hood a bit to see what source he's using |
| [22:59:55] | sphery: | cool. |
| [23:00:05] | wagnerrp: | well i know google video you can readily find links to the mp4 files |
| [23:00:14] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how its done with youtube though |
| [23:00:59] | iamlindoro: | Looks like he just copied his 4:3 layout to the -wide one... may have a quick go at laying it out properly and removing the mythnews watermark |
| [23:01:30] | iamlindoro: | Functionality is A-OK, though, just needs to be prettified a tiny bit |
| [23:01:56] | iamlindoro: | allows you to kill a download with ESC, behaves as normal with internal player, etc. |
| [23:03:07] | iamlindoro: | mwahaha, Internal's menu on youtube video = very sad :) |
| [23:03:27] | sid3windr: | internal's menu? |
| [23:03:34] | sid3windr: | ah, like that |
| [23:03:50] | iamlindoro: | yes, as it's rendered at the res of the video.... :) |
| [23:04:04] | sphery: | you mean the fonts look bad because they're drawn at 180x120 res and upscaled to 1920x1080? |
| [23:04:16] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [23:04:45] | wagnerrp: | well that might be an interesting patch |
| [23:04:49] | wagnerrp: | detect the resolution of the video |
| [23:04:55] | wagnerrp: | and pre-scale the OSD |
| [23:05:11] | wagnerrp: | would still look like shit |
| [23:05:18] | wagnerrp: | but it wouldnt be abnormally small/large |
| [23:05:27] | directhex: | mmm... cactus juice |
| [23:08:30] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there's a new video renderer (that's not yet stable, very poor performing, and generally not too usable) that does the OSD at full res and slaps it on top of the video after scaling the video (the OpenGL renderer) |
| [23:08:58] | sphery: | looks good, but I prefer working for now and will eventually consider the OpenGL renderer |
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| [23:14:14] | wagnerrp: | son of a bitch |
| [23:14:19] | wagnerrp: | colinux wont run on x64 |
| [23:14:42] | sphery: | wagnerrp: Thanks for info on the charger/plan. Got caught up in research and forgot so thank you. |
| [23:15:12] | wagnerrp: | you do realize that i probably have no idea what im talking about with such things |
| [23:15:37] | sphery: | wouldn't a VM be easier (or at least better) than colinux? |
| [23:15:50] | wagnerrp: | maybe, but wheres the fun in that |
| [23:16:06] | sphery: | :) |
| [23:17:38] | sphery: | Dinner or play with FreeRunner... Can you get in trouble for ignoring Maslow's hierarchy of needs? |
| [23:18:05] | wagnerrp: | ignoring it may lead to death |
| [23:18:24] | sphery: | OK. I guess the FreeRunner will have to wait 'til after dinner, then. Thanks. |
| [23:19:03] | wagnerrp: | i never liked the rounded sides on that thing |
| [23:19:27] | sphery: | I love what's inside. I'm not a book-by-its-cover kind of guy. |
| [23:20:03] | wagnerrp: | well i mean i see the rounded sides as wasted space that could be used by a screen or buttons |
| [23:20:21] | wagnerrp: | perhaps put a pair of PSP-style analogs on there |
| [23:20:34] | wagnerrp: | use the two in combination as a keyboard |
| [23:20:52] | wagnerrp: | 8-way on each, plus one click or the other, thats 128 keys |
| [23:21:38] | wagnerrp: | although its VGA resolution at that small size, thats impressive |
| [23:21:48] | wagnerrp: | i thought it would be much lower than that |
| [23:21:55] | wagnerrp: | i may have to rethink my opinion |
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| [23:22:23] | sphery: | yeah, unfortunately, the graphics leaves a bit to be desired (bandwidth/throughput wise). |
| [23:22:49] | sphery: | could probably do up the analog pads in a custom case and wire them into USB... :) |
| [23:23:44] | sphery: | Though, now that I have my FR, I'm thinking of buying a BeagleBoard. http://beagleboard.org/ and http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html |
| [23:23:47] | jarle: | What is the reason for the frontend to pre-scale the theme images at each startup? Why can it just keep the pre-scaled images on disk? |
| [23:23:58] | sphery: | it does |
| [23:24:04] | sphery: | unless someone deletes them |
| [23:24:15] | wagnerrp: | i only keeps a couple of resolutions stored |
| [23:24:17] | sphery: | or someone runs the frontend at a different size (i.e. on a different monitor) |
| [23:24:27] | wagnerrp: | so if you use a number of different sizes, it will delete the old ones |
| [23:24:37] | wagnerrp: | theres an option to set how many it stores |
| [23:24:39] | sphery: | Theme cache size: Maximum number of prescaled themes to cache. |
| [23:24:59] | sphery: | or someone runs the frontend with a different theme |
| [23:25:09] | wagnerrp: | thats fucking teamwork! |
| [23:25:26] | sphery: | (i.e. with the "Random" theme setting) |
| [23:26:21] | sphery: | I think yours was more comprehensible than mine, though. |
| [23:26:23] | jarle: | sphery: I'm running it only in one resolution, and only the same theme, but it will still start pre-scaling each time I start the frontend... |
| [23:26:35] | sphery: | I'll bet it doesn't. |
| [23:27:01] | sphery: | To find out, run: rm -rf ~/.mythtv/{theme,osd}cache |
| [23:27:14] | sphery: | then restart the frontend and be amazed at how long it takes in comparison to normal |
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| [23:27:50] | sphery: | then restart the frontend again and the "pre-scaling" is fast (because it's not really pre-scaling, but just checking to make sure it has all the images pre-scaled). |
| [23:28:14] | sphery: | BTW, it doesn't hurt to run rm -rf ~/.mythtv/{theme,osd}cache as everything will be re-generated for you |
| [23:28:53] | jarle: | sphery: ok... |
| [23:29:27] | sphery: | there were some versions that had bugs that caused them to always re-generate some files, but I think those have been ironed out, now |
| [23:29:39] | sphery: | re-generate = re-pre-scale |
| [23:30:17] | wagnerrp: | are the theme graphics are vectored? |
| [23:30:20] | wagnerrp: | *all |
| [23:30:23] | sphery: | no, raster |
| [23:30:36] | wagnerrp: | then why need it to scale |
| [23:30:49] | wagnerrp: | seems like something that could be done trivially, on-the-fly |
| [23:30:54] | sphery: | the post-Qt4 versions may eventually include SVG support (if not at "runtime", at least for theme definitions) |
| [23:30:57] | directhex: | it scales raster images. isn't myth great! |
| [23:31:22] | jarle: | I need to re-scan for new channels, but I need to limit mythtv-setup to only use one core (otherwise it will crash), can't seem to remember the command I used to start mythtv-setup only running on one core? |
| [23:31:53] | wagnerrp: | why would anyone bother making mythtv-setup multithreaded |
| [23:32:06] | wagnerrp: | seems of limited gain |
| [23:32:07] | sphery: | Qt3 didn't support SVG. Qt4 does. No one has written the support for it, yet, but gbee is thinking of doing it as part of mythui. Once he does, he'll look at performance and decide whether to render from SVG or pre-generate images to disk. |
| [23:32:51] | GreyFoxx: | wag: Background channel scanning ? |
| [23:32:55] | GreyFoxx: | just a thought |
| [23:33:10] | wagnerrp: | sphery: im just surprised that it would be necessary to re-scale the rasterized themes |
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| [23:33:34] | wagnerrp: | greyfoxx: well the last time i scanned channels, i dont recall it being done in the background |
| [23:33:37] | sphery: | jarle: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/setting-process . . . process.html |
| [23:33:37] | wagnerrp: | but that was years ago |
| [23:34:12] | GreyFoxx: | wag: The channel scanner being worked on isn't done nor integrated to trunk yet :) |
| [23:34:24] | EvilGuru: | Strange, my new macbook (2.4Ghz Core 2) using Quartz can not seem to handle DVB-T broadcasts using Yadif deinterlacing |
| [23:34:29] | GreyFoxx: | but that was just aguess at a reason for threading |
| [23:34:31] | sphery: | wagnerrp: raster themes are created at 800x600 (for 4:3) or 1280x720 (for 16:9), so anyone running at another resolution will need them scaled. |
| [23:34:53] | jarle: | sphery: thnx, that's it! |
| [23:34:55] | wagnerrp: | yes, but why not scale on-the-fly |
| [23:35:00] | wagnerrp: | doesnt seem that intensive a process |
| [23:35:10] | sphery: | jarle: short answer: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup |
| [23:35:29] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: Scaling well is quite intensive |
| [23:35:31] | wagnerrp: | i suppose if its one less thing that need to happen, why not make it so |
| [23:35:55] | sphery: | that + what EvilGuru said. |
| [23:36:10] | EvilGuru: | Which is why one of the features provided by Xv (NOT XvMC) is hardware scaling |
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| [23:36:47] | wagnerrp: | well scaling video in real time is far more intensive than scaling a handful of images |
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| [23:37:13] | wagnerrp: | 60x per second more intensive |
| [23:37:19] | EvilGuru: | wagnerrp: When using the OpenGL painter MythTV redraws the screen several times a second |
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| [23:52:35] | jarle: | If I guy a mac mini (intel) to use as a frontend, will it be a lot easier compiling mythtv in a linux environment, than under mac OS? |
| [23:52:47] | jarle: | if I buy.... |
| [23:54:30] | cafuego: | why would you bother compilign either when there are packages that work perfectly fine? |
| [23:55:07] | directhex: | i believe myth for macos is not yet a first-class citizen |
| [23:55:11] | directhex: | but it's better than on win32 |
| [23:55:50] | cafuego: | it runs very well on my iBook, right up until the point where it has to play video, then i get a purple screen :-) |
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| [23:57:28] | cafuego: | but i mainly blame the ati video card |
| [23:59:16] | directhex: | i blame the french |
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