Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 29th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Cool background music my pink behind.

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Dagmar:

There is apparently some rule with a slightly higher number than 24 which states (RFC-like) that "all musical soundtracks added to internet posted videos MUST suck, and MUST NOT ever have anything whatsoever to do with the theme of the video portion being shown."

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Lexridge:

well I finally got my rooftop antenna connected to my ATSC input on my HVR1600. I have tried running the command "dvbscan us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB" but it returns "Unable to query frontend status" Any ideas?

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iamlindoro:

specify the adapter number with the appropriate switch, and if you're added it to myth already, mythbackend must be off

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iamlindoro:

er you've

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Lexridge:

mythbackend if off, and I have not added it yet. Wanted to see if it would pick up anything yet. Adaptor number apparently is not a valid switch. There is no help with the binary either. :( The wiki shows this usage: dvbscan /usr/local/share/dvb/scan/dvb-t/us-ATSC-.....

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high-rez:

Hey lindoro

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Dagmar:

Never do things which may change the state of the database without either a) doing it *through* the backend or frontend or b) restarting the backend and frontend.

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high-rez:

The other day, you mentioned – I think – you had a HDPVR ?

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Lexridge:

no, it's a HVR1600

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iamlindoro:

Ummm, adapter # most certainly *is* a valid option

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iamlindoro:

"-a N use DVB /dev/dvb/adapterN/"

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iamlindoro:

-a N use DVB /dev/dvb/adapterN/" that is

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: yes, I have an HD-PVR

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high-rez:

lindoro: Did you say paff + spatial direct doesn't work?

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iamlindoro:

and don't use dvbscan, use scan

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Lexridge:

oh, okay. I'll try just "scan"

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iamlindoro:

scan -U -a 1 /blah/blah/blah/us-blah-ATSC-blah

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: That is corect, it is currently unsupported in ffmpeg/libavcodec. This does not prevent capture or playback of the recordings, however.

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Lexridge:

okay, now I get back :>>> tune to: 57028615:8VSB

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Lexridge:

WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!

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iamlindoro:

Jesus christ

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high-rez:

I was reading the latest ffmpeg changelog – it looks to be supported now.

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iamlindoro:

try waiting longer than ten fucking seconds

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iamlindoro:

It will always fail to tune channels that don't exist

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Lexridge:

so it cannot change the tuner that has no carrier?

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iamlindoro:

feel free to help yourself to a manpage or a google search instead of pooping your worries into the channel

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iamlindoro:

It will fail to tune *channels* that aren't there... if there is a signal on a channel, it'll tune fine. At the end of the entire scan, it will dump the services it found

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Lexridge:

I have been studying the WIKI for about 2 hrs now. I have also already tried scan, and every channel reports tuning failed. It has completed like this, which is why I swithed to dvbscan.

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Dagmar:

What he's trying to say is that channel scanning is not fast, and requires some patience.

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Dagmar:

It also frequently requires luck.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: I know, it took it like 10 minutes to go through it all the first time.

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Dagmar:

You didn't wait ten minutes that time.

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Lexridge:

luck, I had that feeling, and my luck lately has been BAD.

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: No, paff + spatial is still not entirely implemented. Yes, there have been recent improvements to h.264 support, but that is irrelevant until the next ffmpeg sync with Myth. It's still not all there though, and it still doesn't really matter.

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Lexridge:

no, I didn;t that time. ;)

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high-rez:

lindoro: What are you using for playback then? coreavc?

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: no, like I keep telling you, lack of support for PAFF + Spatial won't prevent *any* setup, CoreAVC or libavcodec, from recording *or* playing back the material

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Pete__:

When I'm scrolling through channels on live tv it only seems to show channels from one video source (which depends on what the currently tuned channel is) is there an option somewhere to show all channels when browsing like that? (All tuners are free currently, just checked.)

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iamlindoro:

Pete__: no, but you can see all the channels from the Program Guide.

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Pete__:

Damn

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Pete__:

the program guide is a pain to use

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Lexridge:

I can see all my sources from my live tv. Both Dish and Cable show up simply by using the cursor. up/down...and yes, the program guide is a pain.

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Dagmar:

The nature of everything going through a recording stage means it's pretty much always going to be painful to "browse" channels.

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Dagmar:

Nevermind that if you're browsing channels, you're basically looking for something only slightly less craptacular than everything else to watch.

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: Okay, scan completed with 100% tuning failed. 0 services.

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Lexridge:

my neighbor just bought a tv with HD tuner, and he picks up three channels with rabbit ears! I have an outdoor antenna and still cannot get anything. :(

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Pete__:

I don't want to see a picture of each channel as a scroll, just to see it on the osd

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Pete__:

as I scroll*

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Dagmar:

Lexridge: So this would be hte time to consider the drivers with suspicion is my thinking

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: I was afraid of that.

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Dagmar:

Myth didn't make those drivers.

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Lexridge:

I know, they are v4l drivers

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Pete__:

Lexridge: Do you have them defined as different video sources in mythtv-setup?

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Lexridge:

Pete__ yes

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Pete__:

I'll keep digging for an option then..

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Lexridge:

but no channels overlap either. Do channels overlap in your case?

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iamlindoro:

Lexridge: You are confused, wrong, or there is something broken about your database-- Myth will not display all the channels from all the sources outside of the Program Guide

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Pete__:

Piles do actually

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Lexridge:

ie. my cable runs from 2–85, then it jumps to 105 for Dish Network.

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Lexridge:

iamlindoro, I swear mine does!

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Dagmar:

what

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Pete__:

Myth seems to have an option for just about everything else you could imagine.. just a shame this isn't one

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** iamlindoro goes to grab the ticket that is relevant **

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Lexridge:

when I use my up/down keys while watching live tv, the channels run from 2–85, then it goes to 105 and up for DISH.

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Lexridge:

However, I cannot tune to those DISH channels yet, as they come into the tuner card via S-Video, and I have yet to be able to control my DISH receiver with lirc

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victor__:

iamlindro: Hi, I tried scanning for channels using the command: sudo scan /usr/share/doc/dvb-utils/examples/scan/atsc/us-ATSC-center-frequencies-8VSB but tuning fails; however, i can scan for channels using mythtv

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iamlindoro:

victor__: Like I told you, that card is broken in current v4l-dvb... And like I said before, it'll scan fine, but will not stream video

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iamlindoro:

And until you manage to watch with mplayer + scan, there's no point in bringing the discussion up here... get someone in #linuxtv to fix the driver and help you get the card working after that, then we can help you with the Myth part of it

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Pete__:

It actually looks like it's per card, not per video source

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Pete__:

I have seperate satellites defined as video sources (not sure if that's the right thing to do or not) and they are all showing up as I browse through, just now the stuff from other cards doesn't (terrestrial)

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Shaudh:

I am trying to select a mythtv setup.. there seem to be a few distros out there, as well as a source compile.. I would like to use the box for other things than just mythtv aswell, what would be the best choice: distro or source?

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iamlindoro:

Neither packaged/Myth Distro/source compile of Myth will prevent you from doing anything else, so really, the answer is... Whichever you're most comfortable/less likely to have technical difficulties with.

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Shaudh:

Ah.. from what I gathered in one of the online documents it was pretty much hell to go with a myth distro and add other functionality..

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iamlindoro:

If you're a very very new linux user, a Myth specific distro may be best. If you are partial to a particular distro, use that and install packaged myth... if you need to patch myth in any way or just prefer to compile everything, then you can do that.

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iamlindoro:

Shaudh: Not so

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iamlindoro:

only insofar as "$packagemanager $installcommand $packagename" is difficult

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Shaudh:

hehehehe

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iamlindoro:

eg apt-get install openoffice, yum install firefox, etc., etc.

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Shaudh:

Point well taken :)

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Shaudh:

Thanks!

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iamlindoro:

you are welcome

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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black_Nightmare_:

just wondering if any of you in here have fta receivers via mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

black_Nightmare_: Why would anyone do that, as *real* FTA just needs a DVB-S card?>

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iamlindoro:

And if you're talking about the bullshit "FTA" stuff, then that's not welcome here

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Dagmar:

There will not be a third warning about that subject.

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black_Nightmare_:

so any idea if that a/v header on the hvr card is only video-in or its plauseable video-out which could suit me? (the hauppauge manual doesn't say much and I dunno if the card perhaps is too new for anyone to review the whole thing yet?)

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not video out

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black_Nightmare_:

hm

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Dagmar:

How is it hard to look at product specs on a website?

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Dagmar:

I mean, c'mon.

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black_Nightmare_:

dagmar, hauppuage only says "A/V Header" on product page and the manual is mostly about windows software .. but either way after looking at it for a while guess I'll get a 2-pci epia case and see about making dual-display wiki work, should be the last setup issue left hopefully

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Dagmar:

Yet nothing on there says "video output"

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iamlindoro:

And nothing in he manual about it magically being a video card too

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iamlindoro:

It's also not a cheese grater or a zeppelin

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black_Nightmare_:

well thats what stb said of their tv tuner pci cards too .. but the one I used for a while actually could mirror-output on analog and it wasn't a fluke

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Dagmar:

Does. Not. Matter.

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iamlindoro:

My STB poops rainbows and performs thrice-nightly BJs

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well I'm going to bed for now

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iamlindoro:

yay!

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iamlindoro:

Seriously, though, that guy's been coming in here*how* long and asking questions like that?

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iamlindoro:

And he still hasn't even *started* a myth box?

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iamlindoro:

Imagine how things will become when he actually *tries*

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Dagmar:

I imagine he'll get an ignore line in my ~/.bitchxrc

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Dagmar:

I'm kind of of the opinion that one should be an actual *user* of MythTV before coming up with a parade of dumb questions.

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iamlindoro:

I don't mind answering the preperatory questions, so long as *some* effort was made to seek answers elsewhere first

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iamlindoro:

But when the wiki is chock full of articles about what hardware works, and entire system loadouts... there's no excuse

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bsdfox_:

black_nightmare only plays with <400mhz machines

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bsdfox_:

and always asks the most ridiculous questions in #hardware and #electronics

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Dagmar:

Holy crap we need to just punt his ass back onto the short bus then

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iamlindoro:

Don't worry, he saves some for here too :)

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bsdfox_:

he is building an arcade machine based on K6–2 parts he is getting from ebay

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iamlindoro:

lord

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Dagmar:

So basically, he's some idiot pirate stuck in the 90's

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bsdfox_:

and he is always asking about modifying an 8mb AGP card to work in an agp pro slot

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Dagmar:

Crist

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riddlebox:

how come I have deleted files in the gui and mythweb but /var/lib/mythtv/recordings still has a bunch in it and I keep seeing the shows come back in the listing?

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bsdfox_:

riddlebox: check the backend logs

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bsdfox_:

probably permissions?

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Dagmar:

zI'm thinking permissions, tooo

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xris:

or maybe filters are set to show the deleted recgroup

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Dagmar:

It's about hte only thing that can stop that, short of really, really breaking slow file deletion

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riddlebox:

the shows say recovered file on them?

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bsdfox_:

riddlebox: you could have "don't delete, just autoexpire" set also

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bsdfox_:

hmm never seen that

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riddlebox:

bsdfox_, it deletes other stuff

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bsdfox_:

riddlebox: check your logs

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bsdfox_:

it'll tell you what's wrong

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bsdfox_:

tail -F /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log (probably(

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bsdfox_:

then try to delete one of the files that won't go away

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riddlebox:

permissions problem

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bsdfox_:

:)

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riddlebox:

can I sudo rm -rf the files? or will that mess up the database?

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Dagmar:

You should be able to delete them *as the user running MythTV*

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Dagmar:

If you can't, then that kinda underscores "permissions problem"

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bsdfox_:

riddlebox: just chown them

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Dagmar:

ln -s /usr/bin/chown pwn

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bsdfox_:

uh

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bsdfox_:

chown -R mythtv /home/store

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bsdfox_:

something like that

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bsdfox_:

or chmod 777 the ones you can't delete

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bsdfox_:

then let mythtv handle permissions

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Dagmar:

File deletion is an operation on a directory IIRC

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bsdfox_:

Dagmar: you only need execute on the directory

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Dagmar:

So chmodding the files isn't going to make them deleteable I suspect

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bsdfox_:

he said other files work

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bsdfox_:

I'm guessing "someone" did something wrong and ran the mythbackend as root or something temporarily

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bsdfox_:

so there's just a handful of files in there that can't be deleted

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Dagmar:

WEll, an ls -al in that directory should make it obvious

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bsdfox_:

yes

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riddlebox:

I am writing a script to convery my nuv files to mpg files so my mediamvp can view them and I was running it as a wrong user

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Hellmark:

I'm trying to get a mythbox built, and having some issues with video out

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Hellmark:

I have a Radeon 9200SE, a Radeon All in Wonder 8500, and a Apple DVI to S-video/composite adapter

[03:03:25]

Hellmark:

I am connecting to a SD TV with Svideo and Composite input

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Dagmar:

Hmm... with that hardware, I suspect you're having some problems with video output

[03:04:24]

Hellmark:

the AIW works, but only at 640x480 and 16 bit color. The end result is a washed out, grainy picture.

[03:04:31]

Dagmar:

Might I suggest you replace that with an nVidia MX440 or something

[03:04:42]

Dagmar:

...or take the time to fix your ATI drivers.

[03:04:52]

Dagmar:

'...which might require, um, writing your own.

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Hellmark:

I know people have got tv out working on radeons, especially in the R200's, plus I'm poor so dont want to trash stuff unless I absolutely have to

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Dagmar:

You could probably sell that ATI stuff off to someone, buy an old MX440 which has s-video output, and have money left over.

[03:06:48]

Dagmar:

Heck, look at yercityname.craigslist.org/sys

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Hellmark:

still, I know it is possible, so I want to try with what I have first.

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Dagmar:

So, this isn't an ATI support channel.

[03:07:10]

Dagmar:

We actually have a strong dislike of ATI for the reasons you're seeing.

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Hellmark:

craigslist for my city sucks cock. People want new, or more than new, prices for 5 year old stuff.

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Dagmar:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

Allow me to point out something rather obvious

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Dagmar:

The listings more than 2–3 days old consist of two things...

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Dagmar:

Ads from people who are just too dumb to delete the items after they've been sold...

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Hellmark:

stuff that didn't sell, or sold and they didnt delete them

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Hellmark:

and usualy of the stuff that didnt sell, it is crap.

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Dagmar:

...and people who haven't yet found buyers, and probably aren't GOING to find buyers because not many people are that stupid.

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Dagmar:

I buy stuff regularly here.

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Dagmar:

I gotta start getting rid of some old stuff here, too.

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Hellmark:

some areas, have great stuff (I regularly look at other cities for friends, and see the stuff they get), but, where I live, not the case.

[03:10:24]

Dagmar:

http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/772793155.html <-- kinnda decent

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Dagmar:

$800 for a x2 6000+ system

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wagnerrp:

or more likely, you can probably sell the DVI to svideo adapter

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Hellmark:

to give you an idea of how my city is, the other day I saw a G5 iMac for $5000

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wagnerrp:

scan converters are not cheap

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iamlindoro:

That's because you've got your craigslist set on "2003"

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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Hellmark:

wagnerrp, I use the dvi adapter with my mac mini sometimes, and so was hoping I could maybe use that on my mythbox too if I could.

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why such a thing wouldnt work

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Hellmark:

on that, I believe most likely, need to figure out the right settings for X.org

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wagnerrp:

unless you would have preferred not to dedicate it to mythtv

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Dagmar:

...and then you get stuff like http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/773484162.html which isn't worth $50, let alone $200.

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Hellmark:

dagar, thats how my area is, routinely see P1 and PII systems for $200 or more.

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wagnerrp:

processor speed: 501–600. what does that mean?

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Dagmar:

Just know that part of the reason your'e seeing a lot of overpriced crap is because someone's failing to sell a lot of overpriced crap.

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Dagmar:

Just check the thing daily.

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wagnerrp:

you go to a computer show at the local convention center, and you can pick a dozen of those machines for $100

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It means the seller is a hillbilly who actually doesn't know what speed it is

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, I know, just when you see far more bad deals than not, it isnt worth checking after a while

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wagnerrp:

same with the hard drive, 7–9GB

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Dagmar:

Probably 1/2 the stuff I see here isn't a "deal"

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wagnerrp:

a DVD-Rom is internal storage

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Dagmar:

I'm currently hunting for a 125cc scooter and it's slow going

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Hellmark:

riddlebox was in here? damn, didnt see him.

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Dagmar:

Some dimwit is trying to sell some Yamaha Zumas for about %165 of blue book

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Dagmar:

...but I know i'll probably get one before another two weeks has gone by

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wagnerrp:

once, we were camping next to someone who was overly friendly

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wagnerrp:

he traded his jeep wrangler for a similar sized scooter, 'straight up', 'cash money'

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Dagmar:

S-t-o-l-e-n

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Hellmark:

if I got a MX440, what all would I need to do to get s-video working on that?

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Dagmar:

Wait, "similar sized" scooter?

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wagnerrp:

~100–150cc scooter

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: Be able to plug the cable into it without poking an eye out

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: But a jeep wrangler?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i thought he got taken on that deal

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Dagmar:

Dude, there's about an, umm... >80% weight difference there

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wagnerrp:

unless the wrangler was a complete piece of shit

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, and it just mirrors the main display? what about resolution settings in x.org?

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wagnerrp:

although the scooter he came back with looked like a piece of shit

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Dagmar:

He got screwed I'm thinking, which is why I'm saying it was prolly a stolen jeep

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: Basically, you set the output to 800x600 or 1024x768, depending on your fancy (doesn't matter much actually, but 1024x768 always seemed a little bit brighter to me) and the driver handles all the rest

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Dagmar:

THe one _serious_ advantage you get from that is basically, not having to give a damn about interlacing/deinterlacing.

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Dagmar:

The video driver "just deals with it" through pure black magic.

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, which driver?

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Dagmar:

nvidia proprietary one

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Dagmar:

It borders on "stupidly simple" to make work.

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wagnerrp:

if you only have a TV hooked up, everything (including bootup) is automatically pumped out the video-out port

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Hellmark:

wagnerrp, yeah, this machine is dedicated mythbox.

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wagnerrp:

you literally do nothing beyond a standard X setup

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Hellmark:

so, good.

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Dagmar:

If you set the Xorg output vertical refresh to 60Hz (or 50Hz for PAL environments) as long as you don't pick a completely retarded screen resolution, the default behaviour is to mirror the VGA output to the s-video port

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, how is the open source driver?

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Dagmar:

Same behaviour, but no XvMC magicalness

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Hellmark:

XvMC?

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wagnerrp:

i dont think the built in xorg driver supports xv does it?

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Dagmar:

There's pretty much no reason aside from positively rabid purism to not use the proprietary nVidia drivber.

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wagnerrp:

maybe neveux, or whatever, might

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Well, it's supports xv because that's part of X.

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Dagmar:

What it doesn't do is any hardware-specific MC decompression accelleration

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, I just know from experience with ATI, that the X.org driver beats the pants off the propietary one.

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wagnerrp:

i thought Xv was just hardware scaling

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: That's because ATI are bastards.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Far as I know it's the X video widget

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Dagmar:

Like, _for_ video playback stuff

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Hellmark:

this seem like a decent deal? – http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-SFF-GX-GeForce4-MX44 . . . cmdZViewItem

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wagnerrp:

how much?

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Hellmark:

buy it now is $1.26 plus $9.99 shipping

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wagnerrp:

who the fuck sets a 'buy it now' at $1.26

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Hellmark:

wagnerrp, because they make their profit in the jacked up shipping price?

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iamlindoro:

Someone with a 99.99 shipping and handling cost? ;)

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Someone making profit off shipping and trying their damnedest to get rid of some stuff

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Hellmark:

because having high shipping cost and low item price lets them skirt ebay fees.

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wagnerrp:

but why not make it a reasonable round number

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wagnerrp:

like $1.00, or $1.50, or even $1.30

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Dagmar:

IT R GUD SALESMINSHEPS

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wagnerrp:

where did $1.26 come from

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Dagmar:

Prolly 26 cents goes to ebay

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Hellmark:

wagnerrp, they've probably calculated so that after ebay and paypal, they get a nice round number, and get as much as they can.

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Hellmark:

dagar, more than that

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iamlindoro:

Currently 25 cent flat listings on ebay

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Dagmar:

Ah, so someone rounded up somewhere then

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iamlindoro:

1.26 – .25 = 1.01 + 9.99 shipping = $11.00

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Dagmar:

OOo iamlindoro is teh winnar

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sphery:

Hellmark: sounds like you haven't tried the latest ATI fglrx drivers...

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Hellmark:

sphery, doesnt the latest fglrx drivers not have support for the R200?

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sphery:

quite likely, but the latest drivers are good (possibly better than NVIDIA drivers)

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Hellmark:

Yeah, I have Radeon 9200s and older

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Hellmark:

so, not much good for me

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wagnerrp:

ive got a pair of 9200s, also had a 9250 but somehow that managed to disappear

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Dagmar:

sphery: This is one of those "...if it magically makes all their old hardware somehow not be flaky..." issues I mentioned

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sphery:

I didn't see the mention of the GPU (I didn't read all of scrollback)

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SHADOW__X:

anyone tried to get analog on a hvr-1800 with the new tree update

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Dagmar:

SHADOW__X: It's broke, far as I know

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SHADOW__X:

i thought mkrufky came on earlier today and said it was working

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, the R200 series isn't flakey. Things started shitting themselves with the R300.

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Dagmar:

I say this because someone was seriously yelling at someone about it earlier

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Hellmark:

thats why I stuck with what I have.

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wagnerrp:

my 9800 Pro was a fantastic card, never caused me a single problem

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Hellmark:

wagnerrp, 9800 is when they got most of the kinks out.

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wagnerrp:

my 6800GS, on the other hand, locks up once every few months

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wagnerrp:

the card will just completely stop outputting

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wagnerrp:

good thing my start menu is held on a secondary card

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wagnerrp:

because i can just alt tab out of the game, and reboot

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wagnerrp:

its not that it runs hot

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wagnerrp:

it peaks at maybe 65C, my 6600GT secondary runs far hotter

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SHADOW__X:

dagmar are you talking about martincleaver>?

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sphery:

I'm suddenly tired because a change was just committed that makes all the time I spent updating and testing a patch today a waste. (This was the one where I forgot make install and then after figuring that out, forgot to apply the patch.) The part I was fixing got moved, so I get to re-update/test.

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Dagmar:

SHADOW__X: Very possibly

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Dagmar:

I thought that was the card the person yelling was talking about

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SHADOW__X:

yeah but martin isnt quite up with it

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SHADOW__X:

ya know

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SHADOW__X:

i have gotten analog working on a 2.26 kernel

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SHADOW__X:

so i know it works

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Like the AMD K6–450 showed us, it's not about temperature... it's about whether or not the chips will actually run at that temperature

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SHADOW__X:

and i have gotten the raw feed working

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SHADOW__X:

and the analog was working for me at one point the audio was just slow which mkrufky pointed out the audio was running at 32khz which caused the slow down

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Dagmar:

Backstory: AMD took a different route about the time things were hitting 300Hz. They coulnd't come up with a way to make chips run cooler, so they made them able to tolerate running hotter.

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Dagmar:

The K 450 ran at about 145F *normally*

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SHADOW__X:

well more correctly put audio is coming out of the encoder at 48khz and it was being Played back at 32 khz which caused it to be slow

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Dagmar:

160F under load

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Dagmar:

*insane-o* hot

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SHADOW__X:

a reg p3 runs hot

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Dagmar:

Man I was glad that was the only model they went that far with

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SHADOW__X:

i have seen my p3 laptop hit over 60 celsius

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SHADOW__X:

my friend had one hit 75

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SHADOW__X:

and would run there

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Dagmar:

Intel was all proud of their 120C ceilings back then

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SHADOW__X:

thats rediculous

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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Dagmar:

I had to put a peltier cooler AND a big-ass HSF on that 450

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Dagmar:

It made HEAT.

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Dagmar:

Like, the kinda heat you could save money with in the winter

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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Hellmark:

about how much ram would you recommend for a dedicated mythbox?

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Dagmar:

Depends on how fast you want it to run

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Dagmar:

If you're a masochist and use a framegrabber card, 256Mb per framegrabber.

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wagnerrp:

gizmodo has some video of whiteknighttwo

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wagnerrp:

and it just goes to prove that David Bowie completely sucks ass

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Dagmar:

If you want a good "round" number and you're not using a framegrabber card, good luck buying less than 512Mb of RAM.

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sphery:

I had a K6–2/380MHz that ran pretty darn cool. It actually used the exact same fan as the NVIDIA chipset fan. (I know this because the chipset fan burned out and I re-purposed the K6–2 CPU fan as a chipset fan.)

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Dagmar:

...but 512Mb will generally be plenty for a combined FE/BE/DB machine, so long as there's no framegrabbers involved.

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Hellmark:

I'm having to do all my shit over from scratch, since I had an old desktop as mine before, and CPU gave out. I pulled the good parts, and put them into a P4 2.8ghz I picked up dirt cheap, but need to order some ram.

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sphery:

And, I ran SETI on it all the time.

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wagnerrp:

well hell, that peltier probably put out more heat then the CPU

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Hellmark:

my old one had 1.5gigs, but like I said, used to be a desktop

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: They're basically meant to just pull heat out faster than passive transport

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Dagmar:

No one ever said anything abou thtem not generating some heat of their own

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wagnerrp:

the do pull heat out faster, but they usually output some 50–100W on their own

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Dagmar:

Think of it as gently sucking the heat out, instead of just letting it flow through. Heh

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Hellmark:

all I plan on doing is watching downloaded videos (nothing HD quality, just the standard 350mb an hour stuff), DVDs, and TV (have a pcHDTV-3000)

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sphery:

Hellmark: you mean recorded videos

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Dagmar:

hellmakr: Playback isn't affected by RAM unless you're just plain out of memory

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wagnerrp:

having a CPU running at 50F is all well and good except that your blowing 150F air onto the rest of the system

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Dagmar:

just keep in mind that the database is, well, a database

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Hellmark:

sphery, nah, I meant downloaded. I like video podcasts.

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Dagmar:

It takes to free RAM lying about like a teenager does to porno mags

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Hellmark:

Dagmar, I'm just kinda thinking throw 512mb at it, but with the HD tuner, not sure if I need more.

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Dagmar:

Not becuase you have an HD tuner

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wagnerrp:

mines only eating up about 100MB at the moment

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Dagmar:

If you're using a hardware accllerated tuner, it basically means your machine ain't doin anything more complex than copying a file

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Dagmar:

Like, here...

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Dagmar:

http://pastebin.com/d508334b6

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Dagmar:

That's the free output from my box at home, the specs of which are on my user page on the wiki

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Dagmar:

It's sitting around with mysql being a pig

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Dagmar:

It has 1Gb in it because basically, I couldn't find 2x256Mb sticks of PC5300

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iamlindoro:

OOF

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Dagmar:

...or whatever the heck speed I put in it. I generally don't keep track of those things once stuff is in the box, if it's labeled.

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iamlindoro:

Atom needs coreAVC for playback of 6 Mbit 720p h.264

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iamlindoro:

Guess that answers the question of whether they'll ever be quiet low power HD frontends

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wagnerrp:

what speed atom?

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Dagmar:

MythTV frontend, backend, MySQl, and some other stuff I've not bothered to ratchet down on are using all of 418Mb of RAM.

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iamlindoro:

1.6 Ghz

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Dagmar:

...and since MySQL has no problems living in swap...

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wagnerrp:

well thats not all that surprising

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wagnerrp:

id like to see how the upcoming dual core one handles

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wagnerrp:

it still only tops at 8W

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Dagmar:

Mythfrontend is almost giving it a run for it's money today at 196Mb used. I'm not sure what's up with that other than the theme I've got running is prolly a pig

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Hellmark:

if I remember right the pcHDTV 3000 is hardware accelerated with nvidia cards.

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: Nope.

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Hellmark:

it isnt?

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wagnerrp:

no digital card is hardware accelerated

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wagnerrp:

all it does is a stream copy

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Dagmar:

We get hardware accel playback of MPEG-2 and MPEG-2 only through XvMC, using the proprietary nVidia driver.

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Hellmark:

then why does it say it on – http://pchdtv.com/hd_3000.html

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wagnerrp:

it captures and demodulates the transmission, and then just forwards the mpeg stream to the system

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wagnerrp:

it has absolutely nothing to do with video output

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: Because that's not what that page says

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Dagmar:

What that page says is "Accelerated HDTV support with nVidia video cards."

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Dagmar:

...which is referring to PureVideo accelleration, which is *not* the same thing as XvMC accelleration.

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Hellmark:

oh

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Dagmar:

We currently have exactly zero support for that type of hardware accelleration on nVidia cards under linux, right now...

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Hellmark:

which is odd, since the pcHDTV cards aren't supported under windows, designed for linux

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Dagmar:

There's some project I forget the name of that *might* yeild us hardware accelleration of x.264 video (which is what most actual HD is gonna be) in about 2–3 months

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Dagmar:

Then email them and ask them what they're smoking and if you can buy any off 'em.

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Dagmar:

The Linux drivers nVidia makes have zero support for that kind of accelleration. Check the nVidia driver readmes and you'll see.

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Dagmar:

Seems kinda crazy they'd make a claim like that, considering that Linux users tend to be markedly more literate than Windows users, and subsequently more immune to marketing bullshit

[03:52:23]

wagnerrp:

well on linux, its harder to charge for the extra drivers to make use of purevideo

[03:53:04]

Dagmar:

http://blog.charlies-server.com/2007/09/13/hd . . . ack-in-linux

[03:53:07]

wagnerrp:

there are no free codecs on Windows that can use purevideo acceleration

[03:53:16]

Dagmar:

That's fairly recent if you want a second opinion with a blog

[03:54:07]

wagnerrp:

i cant seem to find that CUDA project

[03:54:09]

Dagmar:

x.264 is still pretty much all about MOAR MEGAHURTS with a side order of MOAR

[03:54:16]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Can you blame them?

[03:54:26]

wagnerrp:

i know it was on slashdot, but its not coming up in a search

[03:54:26]

Dagmar:

If they want to get any work done, they'd better hide

[03:54:51]

Dagmar:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html

[03:54:57]

SHADOW__X:

anyone cat their mpeg encoder and get an all white screen

[03:54:57]

SHADOW__X:

?

[03:56:01]

Hellmark:

so, that $11 440mx and a 512mb stick of ram should be ok?

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wagnerrp:

for SD stuff

[03:56:41]

Hellmark:

(still pisses me off that the new machine won't use the old ram because it doesn't like PC2100, only PC2700 and PC3200)

[03:56:51]

Dagmar:

Weird.

[03:56:55]

wagnerrp:

on older hardware (CPUs) you may not have enough horsepower for the HD stuff

[03:57:01]

Dagmar:

The faster ones should be able to downclock

[03:57:20]

Dagmar:

Like, 2700 should be able to run at the speed of the 2100, but...

[03:57:46]

Dagmar:

Since this probably also requires a dual-channel configuration, it becomes a recipe for FAIL to mix and match.

[03:57:55]

wagnerrp:

well the processor/NB should be able to drop in a multiplier or just lower the FSB to support it

[03:58:07]

Hellmark:

wagnerrp, the only HD stuff I plan on is over the air, and the CPU is a 2.8ghz P4, was hoping that would be enough for it.

[03:58:22]

wagnerrp:

that should be sufficient for HD mpeg2

[03:58:34]

Dagmar:

hellmakr: If it's not, remember this magic phrase "skiploopfilter". it will be your only hope with x264

[03:58:36]

wagnerrp:

my 1.9GHz Ath XP does just fine

[03:58:50]

Hellmark:

dagar, nah, it doesn't need dual channel (supports it, but is optional), it just beeps and won't boot with 2100 in it. Drop a single stick of 3200 in, and it works fine.

[03:58:59]

SHADOW__X:

WOOHOOOO ANALOG IS WORKING

[03:59:08]

SHADOW__X:

alright back to indoor voice

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: So sounds like the motherboard is probably assuming a dual-channel config when you stick in two sticks of RAM

[03:59:36]

wagnerrp:

what, typing less vigorously, so the clicking noises dont bother the neighbors?

[03:59:51]

Hellmark:

Dagmar, yeah.

[03:59:52]

Dagmar:

wagenerrp: You clearly never typed on a Commodore 64.

[03:59:55]

SHADOW__X:

on hd my amd le 2400 with an integrated 6150 mb plays it fine but the menus while watching a recording stuter alittle

[04:00:09]

wagnerrp:

cant say that i have

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Dagmar:

Hellmark: It can be done, but it's just not worth the trouoble, and its' not _always_ doable

[04:00:38]

Nostahl:

any of you guys running mini itx boxes

[04:00:44]

Dagmar:

Mixing and matching non-identcal RAM for dual-channel configuration is generally doomed.

[04:00:57]

Hellmark:

I think I'll probably reencode recordings to something a little more CPU friendly, I just really don't want it to lag on the live ATSC stuff

[04:01:05]

Dagmar:

...or you have to set the timings so loose you are just pissing in the wind by trying.

[04:01:09]

wagnerrp:

ive got a miniitx system sitting in storage, so not exactly running

[04:01:17]

Hellmark:

Dagmar, oh, I know. I don't mix and match ram.

[04:01:28]

Dagmar:

That's the only thing that bugs me about AMDs stuff now really.

[04:01:49]

Dagmar:

It's a real BITCH to do my "usual" and double the RAM in a motherboard a year after I buy it

[04:01:50]

Nostahl:

wagnerrp im lookin to setup a myth box mini itx style

[04:02:13]

wagnerrp:

the original A64s seemed to be a lot more finicky than the newer stuff

[04:02:33]

Dagmar:

'cuz they weren't screwing around when they said "exact match"

[04:02:34]

wagnerrp:

Nostahl: check out Dagmar's writeup, he recently built one

[04:02:38]

Hellmark:

wagnerrp, I have a Athlon64 2800+ Clawhammer in this box here, never had a bit of issue.

[04:02:43]

Nostahl:

dagmar link?

[04:02:46]

Dagmar:

...and motherboard BIOS didn't manage to change the timings for beans

[04:03:36]

Dagmar:

I didn't build an ITX machine.

[04:03:37]

Dagmar:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dagmar_d%27Surreal

[04:03:45]

Dagmar:

Mini ATX

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wagnerrp:

Hellmark: ive had memory the systems didnt like, i discovered after purchase that it could not run four double-sided DIMMs at full speed

[04:04:04]

wagnerrp:

theres a difference?

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Dagmar:

Umm.. yes.

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Dagmar:

You don't get any HMCF errors popping up

[04:05:14]

Dagmar:

...or rather, you DO get HMCF errors when you try to mix and match ITX and mATX

[04:05:22]

Dagmar:

Halt, Melt, Catch Fire..

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Nostahl:

do you have any experience with mini itx dagmar

[04:06:04]

wagnerrp:

ah, ITX is all Via shit

[04:06:33]

Nostahl:

amd intel and via are itx

[04:06:41]

Nostahl:

they all make itx

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Hellmark:

majority of ITX is Via though.

[04:07:13]

Hellmark:

hard to find non via shit

[04:07:53]

wagnerrp:

but its all embedded stuff, rather than just standard desktop parts

[04:08:27]

Nostahl:

no

[04:08:42]

Nostahl:

intel makes some core 2 duo mini itx boards

[04:08:58]

SHADOW__X:

i think i found an issue with the driver

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SHADOW__X:

:(

[04:09:09]

Nostahl:

socketed processor not soldered

[04:11:11]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but theyre all socket M or P, mobile, not desktop chips

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wagnerrp:

although i do see one standard AM2 board

[04:11:42]

wagnerrp:

the socket and retention brace takes up a full quarter of the board

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Nostahl:

i wouldnt mind a core 2 duo intel mini itx board with 4 gigs ddr2 ram with a pci express slot as well as mini pci express and a regular pci slot

[04:15:00]

Nostahl:

seen one for 247ish i think while back

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wagnerrp:

what would you do with 4GB of memory in such a system

[04:21:05]

wagnerrp:

besides, mini itx just doesnt seem worthwile, unless you absolutely need a small machine, or are running on batter

[04:21:19]

wagnerrp:

the markup is too high

[04:22:11]

wagnerrp:

(with local power pricing) a reasonable lifetime of a desktop (~5 years) is only going to be another $250 in electricity, running non-stop

[04:25:12]

Nostahl:

i dunno i just like mini itx heh

[04:25:21]

Nostahl:

small

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Nostahl:

i could set up a system where i can transfer between car and home easily too

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wagnerrp:

fair enough

[04:26:29]

wagnerrp:

of course you would have to set up some sort of cartridge mount in the car to actually make it easy to transfer

[04:27:59]

wagnerrp:

ive done some amount of planning on installing a SFF machine in my trunk

[04:28:15]

Nostahl:

aye

[04:28:31]

wagnerrp:

although i need to figure out how to install an aux radio input, and adapt the cable harness running to my onstar unit

[04:28:42]

Nostahl:

even still i plug in and unplug hundreds of computers a day at work heh

[04:28:51]

wagnerrp:

what for?

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Nostahl:

so if i have to do it one more time at home its not a deal heh

[04:29:03]

Nostahl:

i work for geek squad

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wagnerrp:

one store will actually go through that many units?

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Dagmar:

If I were you, I wouldn't mention that too many places.

[04:30:34]

wagnerrp:

heh...

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Nostahl:

heh dagmar

[04:31:09]

Nostahl:

its a fun place to work

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wagnerrp:

yeah, there is the idea that you guys send the machine out for repair, after copying off all the porn and reformatting the disk

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Nostahl:

so guess who i met yesterday at work

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Nostahl:

an older couple in there 60's

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Nostahl:

they'd been doing research and they want tobuild a mini itx computer with mythbuntu

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Nostahl:

for there media room

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Nostahl:

they already have a high def projector and a bose sound system for the room that will be existing

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SHADOW__X:

and they expect geeksquad to know what that is

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Nostahl:

was pretty interesting talking with them

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wagnerrp:

i was flipping through the channels earlier today, and there was some expose on the japanese 'king of elderly porn'

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Nostahl:

i got called out on the floor cause i was the only one in the store who knew anything about it heh

[04:33:39]

SHADOW__X:

exactly Nostahl and how many geeksquad people are in that store

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Nostahl:

6 or so now

[04:34:45]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[04:34:52]

SHADOW__X:

i was hoping more to prove my point

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Nostahl:

heh

[04:38:02]

Hellmark:

how is geeksquad to work for over all?

[04:38:24]

Hellmark:

friend of mine worked as a blue shirt for best buy, and wasn't a fan, but didnt know if they treated GS any differently

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Nostahl:

its great at my precinct

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wagnerrp:

precinct?

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Nostahl:

i use to own my own company before i started at geeksquad

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Nostahl:

so i think they give me a bit of distance

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Nostahl:

and dont manage me heh

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Hellmark:

any quotas or shit like that you have to hit?

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Nostahl:

not to mention i am on the innovation council for best buy and director of a newsletter for best buy as well

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Nostahl:

no quotas

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Nostahl:

our que times are based on when things actualy get done

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Hellmark:

that's cool.

[04:40:47]

Nostahl:

and thats what we tell the clients

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Nostahl:

not set a date and tell them it will be done etc

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Nostahl:

makes for a crapy work environment heh

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Hellmark:

I hate it when they try push shit through at unreasonable rates, or force you to sell crap

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Nostahl:

selling is part of retail world :)

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Nostahl:

i dont mind that cause i like it heh

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Nostahl:

its nice being able to leave the precinct any time i want and go talk to customers on the floor

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Nostahl:

breaks up the day inbetween chugging rockstars

[04:43:37]

Hellmark:

I know, and I don't mind selling things, I just hate having to sell so much of certain things.

[04:44:14]

Hellmark:

my one old job, they pushed you hard to sell warranty plans and batteries.

[04:44:38]

Hellmark:

If you didn't sell things that used batteries, couldnt really sell batteries for it, but they didn't care.

[04:45:04]

Nostahl:

did you work at radio shack? :P

[04:45:05]

wagnerrp:

that reminds me, my hard drive dock comes tomorrow

[04:45:28]

Hellmark:

Nostahl, no, Toys R Us.

[04:45:34]

Hellmark:

I built bikes there.

[04:45:44]

Nostahl:

heh

[04:46:06]

wagnerrp:

now i just have to figure out where to put it, i assume it would not be a good thing to place hard drives next to speakers

[04:46:24]

Nostahl:

i cant wait till my leatherman tool comes from Intel

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wagnerrp:

the only real open space is on the far side of my laptop

[04:46:37]

Hellmark:

They had 24 hour assembly time guarantees, which was ok, except for things never went together as fast as it should, because so much came out of the box broken.

[04:46:47]

wagnerrp:

why would you be getting a leatherman from Intel?

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SHADOW__X:

how are the deals through geeksquad Nostahl

[04:47:40]

Nostahl:

i do alot of stuff for intel

[04:47:46]

Nostahl:

so there sending me a leatherman tool

[04:48:00]

Nostahl:

i get 5% over cost anything in the store shadow

[04:48:36]

SHADOW__X:

how about through the "agent" deals

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SHADOW__X:

through intel and al that

[04:48:46]

SHADOW__X:

you guys have a sep deal sitie

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Nostahl:

aye

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Nostahl:

ie i can get a lenova laptop from intel right now with an extreme core 2 duo processor and 2 gigs ddr2 ram etc for 438 bucks

[04:50:47]

SHADOW__X:

right do you guys still have a deal with a mb c2d pro and windows or something like that

[04:51:18]

Nostahl:

aye

[04:51:34]

Nostahl:

there's a contest going right now for the next couple months

[04:51:36]

SHADOW__X:

thats one thing that i liked your deals where really good

[04:52:00]

Nostahl:

for a skulltrail mobo 2 quadcore processors and up to i think 3 sli or crossfire graphics cards supported

[04:52:34]

Nostahl:

aye there are benifits working for a big computer company rather then mom and pop shops thatcant get the better deals

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SHADOW__X:

how much for the skulltrial system

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Nostahl:

its contest only

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SHADOW__X:

what does that mean

[04:54:07]

SHADOW__X:

what kind of contest

[04:54:14]

SHADOW__X:

you win it by doing what

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bmead:

Hi I just got the latest hdpvr driver compliled and downloade the svn trunk of mythtv. Does anyone know off hand what the ./configure parameters are for supporting the hdpvr in mythtv?

[04:54:27]

Hellmark:

working for best buy

[04:55:09]

Nostahl:

spending chips

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Nostahl:

100 chips per day aloud

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Nostahl:

like a raffle

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bmead:

I am talking about the configure parameters for compiling mythtv itself

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iamlindoro_:

Ugh

[05:02:19]

iamlindoro_:

see what I get for logging in to give him his stupid HD PVR answer

[05:02:35]

iamlindoro_:

well to hell with that then

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SHADOW__X:

what time does mkrufky usually come back i have to ask him something about the driver update

[05:18:26]

Nostahl:

cant wait till next month

[05:18:27]

Nostahl:

http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-DG45FC-Mini-ITX-Motherboard

[05:18:33]

Nostahl:

149 for that board

[05:18:34]

Nostahl:

! noice

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Nostahl:

what.. that board supports a quad core processor

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SHADOW__X:

no firewire

[05:26:24]

Nostahl:

aye

[05:26:38]

Nostahl:

i never use firewire anyways

[05:26:44]

SHADOW__X:

its better

[05:27:12]

SHADOW__X:

doesnt usb not support full duplex where as firewire does?

[05:27:49]

Nostahl:

i only have one thing that uses firewire

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Nostahl:

and its rarely used

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SHADOW__X:

so get a stb with firewire

[05:29:02]

Nostahl:

i can put a q9550 on that mini itxboard

[05:29:05]

Nostahl:

that's crazy

[05:29:14]

Nostahl:

12 mb L2 cache

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Nostahl:

1333 fsb

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SHADOW__X:

eh

[05:29:26]

SHADOW__X:

what hsf ?

[05:29:38]

Nostahl:

hsf?

[05:29:50]

SHADOW__X:

heatsink fan

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Nostahl:

not sure

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Nostahl:

i dont think i could afford this board yet heh

[05:30:33]

Nostahl:

it has too many cool toys to get to get it working heh

[05:33:32]

wagnerrp:

fuck

[05:33:38]

wagnerrp:

another wootoff already

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SHADOW__X:

would that work with lirc

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW__X: i doubt any board would have onboard CIR support

[05:35:59]

SHADOW__X:

cir?

[05:36:04]

SHADOW__X:

i thought that was just ir

[05:36:06]

wagnerrp:

consumer ir

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SHADOW__X:

oh ok

[05:36:16]

wagnerrp:

as opposed to irda/sir/fir

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X:

what tv viewer besides myth supports mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

any linux media player does

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SHADOW__X:

well i need something that can change channels

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wagnerrp:

you can always use the tuning scripts to change channels

[05:51:41]

SHADOW__X:

mplay /dev/video2 works but i need to change the channel

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wagnerrp:

ptune, i think

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SHADOW__X:

the big issue is that i had my hvr 180 analog working

[05:51:58]

SHADOW__X:

but

[05:52:06]

SHADOW__X:

i have to jump through hops to get it to work

[05:52:15]

SHADOW__X:

like off of a fresh reboot

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SHADOW__X:

i have to unload cx23885 then reload it

[05:52:39]

SHADOW__X:

load tuner then unload it

[05:52:55]

SHADOW__X:

unload and reload cx23885

[05:53:02]

SHADOW__X:

unload tuner

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SHADOW__X:

and unload and reload cx23885 again

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wagnerrp:

use ptune.pl to set the channel, and then just watch the /dev/video node

[05:53:36]

wagnerrp:

sounds painful

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SHADOW__X:

and that gives me animal planet which here is channel 54 which i dont see anywhere that it could see to choose that channel

[05:53:53]

SHADOW__X:

best part wagnerrp is that in mythtv i cant change the channel

[05:54:00]

wagnerrp:

(use ptune.pl)

[05:54:04]

SHADOW__X:

and in myth backend the start up channel is chanel 5

[05:54:55]

wagnerrp:

U53 p7Un3.p1

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

[05:55:19]

SHADOW__X:

i gotcha

[05:55:22]

wagnerrp:

:)

[05:55:28]

SHADOW__X:

i am just looking where i can find that

[05:56:23]

wagnerrp:

actually, its been replaced by ivtv-tune

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wagnerrp:

should be under utils/ivtv-tune, in the ivtv source

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wagnerrp:

http://www.ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Ivtv-tune

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SHADOW__X:

well that works

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SHADOW__X:

that shit does that mean

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SHADOW__X:

the way mythtv tried to change the channel is wrong

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SHADOW__X:

?

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wagnerrp:

no idea

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wagnerrp:

could be the driver itself is not yet functional

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SHADOW__X:

well can i have mythtv run that command to change the channel

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wagnerrp:

which if thats the case, ivtv-tune should fail as well

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SHADOW__X:

the driver is functional

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SHADOW__X:

tune is working

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wagnerrp:

yes, use the ir-blaster routines

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wagnerrp:

they let you run external commands to change the channel

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SHADOW__X:

so where it says external channel change command put ivtvtune -tus-cable-hrc -c? /dev/video2

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SHADOW__X:

-c if to change the channel

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SHADOW__X:

how do i do that

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wagnerrp:

maybe, never used the external tuner functions

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SHADOW__X:

sorry i am confused as to how mythtv will parse that command to change the channels

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SHADOW__X:

i dont know what it will use as a variable

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wagnerrp:

try just putting '-c' at the end

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wagnerrp:

you may have to run it through a separate script, or an alias

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wagnerrp:

to automatically add the necessary flags

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wagnerrp:

it seems to just run "<command> <channel #>"

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

also, the device needs a '-d'

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SHADOW__X:

ok so i put in ivtv-tune -tus-cable-hrc -d/dev/video2 -c

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SHADOW__X:

btw thanks for pointing out ivtv tune

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SHADOW__X:

i did figure out tuner module was the issue for me

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SHADOW__X:

well i made sure in terminal i can issue the command ivtv-tune -tus-cable-hrc -d/dev/video2 -c 44 and that works

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SHADOW__X:

but i dont know the issue in mythbackend i guess i am issueing the command wrong

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wagnerrp:

right, but depending on how it is called, it may not pass the additional flags

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wagnerrp:

which is why i said make a separate command

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wagnerrp:

to automatically add the necessary flags

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SHADOW__X:

what flags

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SHADOW__X:

ohhh

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wagnerrp:

channel list, device

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SHADOW__X:

you mean like -t and all that

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SHADOW__X:

oh so stick that in a script then?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just a single line that does "<command> <other shit> -c $1"

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SHADOW__X:

alright

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SHADOW__X:

so have the end with c so t hen mythtv will use the number

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wagnerrp:

in sh/bash/csh/whatever, $1 is the first argument

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

so in your script, do the command to performed in the terminal above

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wagnerrp:

but instead of '-c 44', do '-c $1'

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X:

hmm can the script be in my home dir or no

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wagnerrp:

it can be anywhere you want, but i would suggest giving mythtv the full path regardless

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i did give it the full path although my scrpt is just named analog should i give it an extension

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SHADOW__X:

gedit opens it fine

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SHADOW__X:

but just to make sure

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SHADOW__X:

because right now it isnt working

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wagnerrp:

did you give it execute permissions?

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SHADOW__X:

i just thought of that now

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SHADOW__X:

hmm changing channel in myth isnt working

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SHADOW__X:

although i have a question

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SHADOW__X:

where it says external channel change command right now i have /home/jose/analog analog being the script and the next line which says preset tuner to channel is black

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SHADOW__X:

blank*

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SHADOW__X:

is that how it should be

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SHADOW__X:

the script says ivtv-tuner -tus-cable-hrc -d/dev/video2 -c$1

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

wait a minute my tiredness could the best of me

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wagnerrp:

its good practice to always use full paths for nonstandard commands

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wagnerrp:

like ivtv-tuner

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SHADOW__X:

hmm so what would be the full path for that

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wagnerrp:

also, you should add the shell processor to the top of the script

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wagnerrp:

like '#!/bin/sh'

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea where your ivtv-tuner function is located

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wagnerrp:

its your system

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SHADOW__X:

right i installed the package i will look for it

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wagnerrp:

'which ivtv-tuner'

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SHADOW__X:

what do you mean by the shell processor at the top of the script

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wagnerrp:

if you look at any shell script, it has one of those at the top

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wagnerrp:

that defined what processor is to be used

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koenvi:

Hi all!

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wagnerrp:

without that, it will just run in the current shell

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wagnerrp:

which is often not what you want to happen

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koenvi:

anyone with experience in satellite + mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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SHADOW__X:

nope

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SHADOW__X:

so what do i right at the top of the script

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koenvi:

what are you using then as input?

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SHADOW__X:

cable

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SHADOW__X:

and stb

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wagnerrp:

cable and ATSC

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koenvi:

so of the 181 users here, there's not even a single one using satellite??

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wagnerrp:

oh, im sure several of them are

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wagnerrp:

however for most of the users here, its either late at night, or early in the morning

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koenvi:

for me, it's early :-)

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SHADOW__X:

for me its so late its early

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koenvi:

lol

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wagnerrp:

zoomplayer failed to open a file

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if that means im soon due for a crash

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koenvi:

well guys, I have to start working .. I'll get back in a few hours to see if some satellite-users are awake! Grtz!

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SHADOW__X:

see ya

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SHADOW__X:

so uh how do i search for where ivtv-tune is

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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wagnerrp:

search up about 2 dozen lines

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SHADOW__X:

what do you mean search up

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wagnerrp:

i mentioned it a while back

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SHADOW__X:

do which ivtv-tuner?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

that works if it is somewhere in your path

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X:

returns nothing

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wagnerrp:

it tells you 'which' function will be called if you just type 'ivtv-tune'

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SHADOW__X:

nvm

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SHADOW__X:

it worked

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wagnerrp:

yeah, try not to copy and paste my misspellings... :P

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SHADOW__X:

i wish coy and past

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SHADOW__X:

this is between 2 sep machines

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SHADOW__X:

what do i put for preset tuner to channel?

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wagnerrp:

well considering youre directly setting the tuner, and mythtv's built in channel changer doesnt seem to be working, i dont think it matters

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SHADOW__X:

nvm i get it that would be like from a stb

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SHADOW__X:

alright

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SHADOW__X:

well i can run sh analog.sh 72 and that works fine from terminal

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SHADOW__X:

mythtv still isnt changing the channel

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wagnerrp:

why are you doing 'sh <command>'?

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SHADOW__X:

to run the shell script

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wagnerrp:

wow... the current woot is somewhat creepy

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wagnerrp:

right, why is '<command>' not working?

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SHADOW__X:

that it is

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SHADOW__X:

in mythweb i dont know

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SHADOW__X:

i will put it in usr/local/bin/ next

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wagnerrp:

what to mean 'in mythweb'?

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SHADOW__X:

mythtv *

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SHADOW__X:

i can run the script in terminal and it works

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wagnerrp:

oh

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if youre trying to run something in the current directory

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wagnerrp:

you dont need to do 'sh <command>'

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wagnerrp:

you can just do './<command>'

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright

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SHADOW__X:

#!/bin/sh

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SHADOW__X:

/usr/bin/ivtv-tune -tus-cable-hrc -d/dev/video2 -c $1

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SHADOW__X:

thats how the script looks

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wagnerrp:

looks good

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SHADOW__X:

doing analog.sh 72 changed the channel in terminal

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SHADOW__X:

whats interesting is that i think that myth is still trying to use the internal changer

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SHADOW__X:

because when i goto that tuner it shows the channel but it doesnt come up on the overlayed menu

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wagnerrp:

have the script dump something to the log file each time it runs, to see if its actually being run

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SHADOW__X:

and when i try and change the channel it hangs

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SHADOW__X:

but while its hanging if i change the channel using the script it works

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SHADOW__X:

how would i do that wagnerrp echo?

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wagnerrp:

'echo something > some_file'

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright

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wagnerrp:

you can do 'echo $@' to pass the entire command line

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SHADOW__X:

hmm alright

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SHADOW__X:

echo $@ > tempa

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

didnt create the file

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wagnerrp:

again... give full path

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wagnerrp:

full paths are always good unless you have a reason to be working in the current directory

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SHADOW__X:

that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

its just one less thing that could go wrong

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SHADOW__X:

yup

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wagnerrp:

if you let it, everything will always go wrong

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SHADOW__X:

and in this situation thats a good thing

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SHADOW__X:

is this a good time for an andy dick joke

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wagnerrp:

and if mythbackend were calling that, i have no idea where it would end up or where its operating directory is

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SHADOW__X:

alright well again changing channel in myth does nothing but hang

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SHADOW__X:

i change the channel under root because ofpermisions on the /usr/local/bin dir and tempa just shows the channel i put in

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SHADOW__X:

i guess i should use a path that myth can write to huh

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wagnerrp:

its probably waiting for some sort of a response

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SHADOW__X:

hmm but it wont get one

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wagnerrp:

no, it just has to return

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SHADOW__X:

:(

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wagnerrp:

it may be returning too fast

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wagnerrp:

put a short sleep in there

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wagnerrp:

after changing the channel

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clever:

just discovered a system i have idling that i could be using as a slave backend to transcode!

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SHADOW__X:

such as sleep 10 ?

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SHADOW__X:

yay clever

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clever:

why didnt i think of that computer before

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wagnerrp:

more like 1

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SHADOW__X:

because you arent as your name is

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wagnerrp:

what is this machine doing otherwise?

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clever:

wagnerrp: mostly idling in win xp with a bunch of server based things running

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clever:

but its also got colinux idling along side sharing the cpu

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SHADOW__X:

which os is running vmware

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clever:

colinux has ubuntu 7.10 just like all my other myth systems

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wagnerrp:

well if you think you can get mythbackend running in colinux...

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clever:

SHADOW__X: this is faster then vmware

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive allready got mythtv-setup running:P

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SHADOW__X:

colinux?

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clever:

windows thinks its a driver that wants 200mb of ram and some cpu power

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wagnerrp:

well a slave backend doing transcoding is infinately more likely than one that actually records

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clever:

and the linux kernel gets ring0 super powers(beyond root/admin)

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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clever:

the 2 kernels then share the cpu/ram without emulating anything

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SHADOW__X:

not bad

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clever:

but it also doesnt have the security of a totaly sealed vmware box

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clever:

if you gain root on the colinux you can potentialy spread to the windows kernel

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: i put sleep 2 after the ivtv-tune command and before the echo dump

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

interesting

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clever:

also if the kernel exploded(beyond panic) it can take the whole box down like normal

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wagnerrp:

with the sleep, its working?

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clever:

instead of just causing the vmware session to end

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wagnerrp:

is the X server fully functional?

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wagnerrp:

opengl support and all?

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clever:

wagnerrp: X cant use the video card because windows is using it

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clever:

so you have to run xming(win32 x server) and connect thru tcp

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wagnerrp:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: nope still not working

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[07:25:04]

clever:

i just used tcp to forward mythtv-setup into the xorg on my native linux laptop

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clever:

worked exactly like it would on any linux->linux layout

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SHADOW__X:

brb going to have to heat up left overs nothing is open now

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wagnerrp:

well thats disappointing

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clever:

and away it goes with the transcodes!

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wagnerrp:

what goes away

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wagnerrp:

oh, nm

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clever:

it took off like it should have

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wagnerrp:

right

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clever:

wagnerrp: if you wanted to do some hacking you could mod the colinux 'driver'

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clever:

to relay requests for io/irq

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clever:

with the linux kernel api

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wagnerrp:

well thats not just 'some hacking'

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clever:

a driver can request to use an io/irq port

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wagnerrp:

thats 'some pretty fucking deep hacking'

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clever:

assuming the windows kernel api is the same

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wagnerrp:

at least for someone with no knowledge of either the windows or linux kernels

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clever:

you can relay those requests from linuxdriver->colinux->windowskernel

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clever:

then you can properly claim hardware for colinux to use

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wagnerrp:

i know enough C/++ and Fortran to get by

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clever:

thru that idea you could claim a 2nd video card that windows isnt using

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clever:

or a capture card

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clever:

something that does work right now is a fake block device layer

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clever:

Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on

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clever:

/dev/cobd0 2.0G 542M 1.4G 28% /

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clever:

a config file on the windows side tells colinux what real file(on c:\) to map that block device too

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clever:

then it just functions like any loop device

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SHADOW__X:

wsell wagnerrp to get analog working off a reboot i have to modprobe tuner -r then modprobe cx23885 -r then cx23885

[07:30:31]

SHADOW__X:

and analog works

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SHADOW__X:

lol

[07:30:40]

SHADOW__X:

but myth still wont change the channels

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clever:

right now i have 4 transcode jobs going

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wagnerrp:

no idea what to tell you

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clever:

all steaming to/from the master

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clever:

4.9fps 15fps 54fps(laptop) 35fps(new system)

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wagnerrp:

how fast is this system?

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SHADOW__X:

well to be honest thanks to you i can actually watch analog and use it

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SHADOW__X:

how usable it is dont kow

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: i am sure someone will have an interesting solution

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clever:

4.9fps(400mhz) 15fps(700mhz or 1ghz) 54fps(1.6ghz) and 35fps(2.9ghz celeron d)

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clever:

wagnerrp: theres the answer for all 4:P

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wagnerrp:

i bet someone who has actually used an IR blaster could get it working

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clever:

1.6ghz still beats the crap out of 2.9ghz

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SHADOW__X:

clever: how do you find thos specs out

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wagnerrp:

but i have no experience with them

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clever:

SHADOW__X: cat /proc/cpuinfo

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SHADOW__X:

ah thaks wagnerrp though you did help

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wagnerrp:

or, he could just know the hardware hes running on

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clever:

SHADOW__X: and peeking at the job status(http://backendip:6544) or the mysql table

[07:33:07]

wagnerrp:

1.6 is a core2?

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SHADOW__X:

i really need to switch my main system to linux

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wagnerrp:

i thought the Ds were dual cores

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clever:

wagnerrp: the 1.6 is a model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz

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SHADOW__X:

pentium d is dual core

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SHADOW__X:

as in 2 p4s slapped together

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clever:

the d system is a celeron d

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wagnerrp:

right

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clever:

which is a crappy core

[07:33:52]

SHADOW__X:

hey clever

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clever:

hey SHADOW__X !

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wagnerrp:

so not a dual core...

[07:34:00]

SHADOW__X:

oc it to 800mhz fsb

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SHADOW__X:

that bitch would be fast then

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clever:

SHADOW__X: which one?

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SHADOW__X:

the celeron d

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wagnerrp:

still, thats damning that a 1.6GHz P3 derivative rapes a 2.9GHz celeron like that

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SHADOW__X:

well

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clever:

SHADOW__X: i dont think i saw an option for that in the bios

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wagnerrp:

speaks highly of the P4 architecture in general

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SHADOW__X:

clever: cache and fsb is whats holding it down

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wagnerrp:

cache is hold it back far more than the FSB is

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SHADOW__X:

i had a celeron d 2.4 at 3.6 and that was good

[07:35:12]

clever:

wagnerrp: half a c2d in even low range freq's rapes everything i have

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clever:

wagnerrp: even ones that are running at higher freqs

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SHADOW__X:

clever: for something cheap look at tigerdirecs new deals

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clever:

SHADOW__X: im not rich:P

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wagnerrp:

true, but the Pentium Ms were an old architecture

[07:36:05]

clever:

but the main thing slowing my master server down(another 1.6ghz) is the ide cable

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clever:

29 04:36:08 model nameI: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

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wagnerrp:

im saying the entire P4 brand was a horrible mistake

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wagnerrp:

of course intel is going back to the original pentium for their new graphics card

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wagnerrp:

go figure

[07:36:58]

SHADOW__X:

yeah but its ok c2d redeemed intel

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SHADOW__X:

and slapped amd in the face

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SHADOW__X:

although

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SHADOW__X:

due to massive price cuts

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clever:

SHADOW__X: yeah the c2d rapes every cpu i have

[07:37:13]

SHADOW__X:

amd is still around

[07:37:20]

SHADOW__X:

but because of that

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SHADOW__X:

there is compitition still and makes us afford more

[07:38:36]

clever:

having an extra system crunching the numbers will greatly help

[07:38:45]

clever:

and means i need the slow 400mhz thing alot less

[07:39:08]

clever:

and yes i allready tryed video playback under colinux

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

how was it]

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wagnerrp:

yeah, the slowest machine i have running is 800MHz, and thats my firewall

[07:39:21]

clever:

xv wont work so its forced to use older methods over tcp

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clever:

think worse then 1fpx

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clever:

1fps

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 200, and a 633, but those havent been used in years

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wagnerrp:

older than that (and newer than that) have been pieced out and given to family

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clever:

i had some weird errors though when installing the needed packages for mythtv

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clever:

when the libqt3-mt-mysql package was missing

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clever:

it segfaulted

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nhuisman_:

hey anyone got suggestions for a myth tv box

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nhuisman_:

should be low power

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nhuisman_:

small

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wagnerrp:

so you want a frontend

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nhuisman_:

well I want both

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nhuisman_:

don't you need a backend too?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm my slowest machine running right now on speed wise alone is my 45 watt amd dual core 2.3ghz my current fs is 3ghz p4

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wagnerrp:

so you want two machines

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nhuisman_:

power where I live is very expensive

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wagnerrp:

typically something small is not something you would stuff a lot of tuner cards into

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clever:

my slowest system that can be a frontend is the 400mhz P2

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nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: I was pondering usb tuners

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SHADOW__X:

nhuisman_: i have a 45watt dual core amd processor and its good

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clever:

below that is the 133mhz server im phasing out

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wagnerrp:

digital or analog?

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SHADOW__X:

or hold out and get the hvr 2250's

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** SHADOW__X drools **

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nhuisman_:

hvr 2250?

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nhuisman_:

oh is that the new hauppage

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SHADOW__X:

clever: you can find stuff thrown out thats better

[07:43:06]

SHADOW__X:

yeah

[07:43:07]

wagnerrp:

dual tuner hauppauhe

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nhuisman_:

I think those are out now

[07:43:16]

wagnerrp:

two hybrid tuners

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SHADOW__X:

dual analog mp3g encoders dual digital tuners

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clever:

SHADOW__X: that reminds me, i found a 33mhz 486 sx at the end of a driveway:P

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clever:

i think it has 4mb of ram

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nhuisman_:

i wonder how many of those usb tuners you could put on a box

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SHADOW__X:

thats not e ven work the time of picking it up

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SHADOW__X:

hvr 2250 isnt usb

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clever:

SHADOW__X: i carried the damn thing home

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nhuisman_:

there are dual tuner usb

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nhuisman_:

last time I looked

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clever:

SHADOW__X: then i couldnt lift my arms over my head for a week

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clever:

SHADOW__X: its like a mac, crt and computer in 1 peice

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nhuisman_:

is there any good way to do digital cable with myth tv?

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wagnerrp:

depends on the provider

[07:44:48]

nhuisman_:

qas?

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nhuisman_:

err

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nhuisman_:

qam

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wagnerrp:

if youre lucky, you can just get a digital tuner, and access everything

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wagnerrp:

less lucky, you can get a firewire STB and record that way

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wagnerrp:

and last up, you can get an STB and an ir blaster

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wagnerrp:

either use SD analog capture, or get an HD PVR

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nhuisman_:

trying to find a nice little box to put the hardware in

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nhuisman_:

or something prebuilt

[07:48:30]

nhuisman_:

maybe a shuttle bo

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nhuisman_:

x

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wagnerrp:

antec, silverstone, and thermaltake make nice HT cases

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SHADOW__X:

clever: it kinda s seems like your a computer hoarder

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SHADOW__X:

shuttle can be good but eh

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SHADOW__X:

i have a shuttle

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wagnerrp:

shutter is not something that would fit in with other A/V equipment well

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SHADOW__X:

its r eally portable

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wagnerrp:

since theyre all cubes

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nhuisman_:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

yup

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clever:

SHADOW__X: yeah, i currently have 7 computers ON

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nhuisman_:

they do have a box that's that size

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clever:

SHADOW__X: and more that arent running

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SHADOW__X:

also ventilation isnt the best on em a

[07:49:44]

SHADOW__X:

clever: obviiously you dont pay for electricity or maybe you dont pay for heating

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SHADOW__X:

trying to decide which one

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wagnerrp:

i have... 6 on, plus two more plugged in, and another 3 belonging to other members

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clever:

SHADOW__X: heating is oil

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clever:

SHADOW__X: dad pays both oil and power:P

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SHADOW__X:

ah right

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW__X: all that, and i pay about $1/day to run them

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wagnerrp:

other family members

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SHADOW__X:

yeah most ocmps arent bad

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nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: power here is 50c kwatt

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wagnerrp:

ouch

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clever:

the 133mhz i have probly isng that good

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wagnerrp:

im under 1/5th that

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nhuisman_:

err

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nhuisman_:

41c

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wagnerrp:

about 1/5 that

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clever:

and the 33mhz gives off so much static i can feel the charge on its crt from half a foot away

[07:51:16]

clever:

that cant be helping its power usage

[07:51:16]

SHADOW__X:

thats always good

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wagnerrp:

a 33MHz machine uses almost no power

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wagnerrp:

you can probably take the heatsink off with no ill effect

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clever:

wagnerrp: its got a crt practicaly glued to the top which is probly sucking 30x the power

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clever:

wagnerrp: it doesnt even have a heatsink on the cpu to begin with:P

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nhuisman_:

I was thinking of finding a ultra low voltage raited intel cpu

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clever:

it doesnt appear to have ever had one

[07:52:13]

SHADOW__X:

but 33mhz isnt even worth the power

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nhuisman_:

btw price isn't really a factor

[07:52:30]

SHADOW__X:

lol nhuisman_pay me to make it

[07:52:32]

SHADOW__X:

:D

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nhuisman_:

I can make it myself, i'm just being lazy about researching the case :P

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nhuisman_:

but someone else is paying for it so I don't care about the price

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SHADOW__X:

what country are you in

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nhuisman_:

usa

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wagnerrp:

if cost isnt a factor, get a mobile PC and an expresscard backplane

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nhuisman_:

hawaii

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clever:

id like to get the 33mhz going for 2 main things

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wagnerrp:

mobile laptop

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clever:

to play some good old duke nukem

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clever:

and to posibly use as an ssh terminal

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wagnerrp:

clever, dosbox doesnt work?

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nhuisman_:

so an express card backplane lets you put a number of cards in it?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm well depending on your service provider get one mpeg encoder card and one digital card and go from there

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clever:

wagnerrp: dos based duke nukem doesnt work well on linux

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nhuisman_:

clever shit you might as well buy an ee pc at that point

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wagnerrp:

nhuisman_: yes, but theyre usually expensive as hell

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wagnerrp:

clever: not even in dosbox?

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clever:

wagnerrp: and the native linux compile of duke nukem has crappy sound and jumpy video

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clever:

and sucks 100% cpu even when paused

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clever:

like mythfrontend!

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SHADOW__X:

run your 133mhz comp with dos

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nhuisman_:

so then I would need a hauppauge hvr 1500?

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clever:

SHADOW__X: it still has dos(win98) as a dualboot option in grub:P

[07:55:04]

SHADOW__X:

eh

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SHADOW__X:

nhuisman_: a hvr 1600

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SHADOW__X:

i beleive analog works 100 percent now

[07:55:47]

SHADOW__X:

they are in beta

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SHADOW__X:

but still

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SHADOW__X:

thats pci

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nhuisman_:

SHADOW__X: I meant for an express card backplane

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

well with an expresscard backplane, you would be using PCIe cards, so an 1800 or 1250

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nhuisman_:

oh i didn't understand that it provided a pci card interface

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wagnerrp:

well you get a card that plugs into a laptop

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: where would you buy one of those

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wagnerrp:

with a cable that goes to an external box

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wagnerrp:

with a bunch of pcie slots

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nhuisman_:

yeah following now

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nhuisman_:

wonder if any non laptops have an express card slot

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wagnerrp:

very small machines might

[07:57:38]

wagnerrp:

mini/nano-itx and the like

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: where could you buy one would newegg have that

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SHADOW__X:

?

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clever:

nhuisman_: ive seen ways to put a pcie card into an expresscard slot

[07:58:11]

nhuisman_:

got any links for those express card back planes

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clever:

which lets you use fullsize pcie cards on laptops

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nhuisman_:

i probably don't need more then 4 slots

[08:00:40]

nhuisman_:

hmm

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nhuisman_:

maybe my earlier comment about money is no object isn't quite qualified

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nhuisman_:

$1300 for just the 4 slot bit is a little much

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SHADOW__X:

i didnt see a link

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SHADOW__X:

?

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nhuisman_:

maybe these

[08:01:40]

nhuisman_:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html

[08:01:50]

nhuisman_:

and just use usb

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nhuisman_:

since they have mpeg encoders

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wagnerrp:

i know i came across them a few days ago, but i cant find them

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SHADOW__X:

ya know for the price of a 1950 you can get a 2250

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nhuisman_:

yeah but then I need something with pci e slots

[08:05:28]

SHADOW__X:

oh ucle ruckus

[08:05:29]

nhuisman_:

instead of just usb

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SHADOW__X:

if you want to play back hd you might need a bit more power

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SHADOW__X:

thus being a newer machine

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SHADOW__X:

thus having pci e

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wagnerrp:

just about any Core2 can play what comes off an HD-PVR

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nhuisman_:

I don't mind having more power, just was concerned with size

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wagnerrp:

so anything mpeg2 is no problem

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SHADOW__X:

but a board that does c2d should have pcie

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wagnerrp:

yes, but it may only have one

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: i dont see anywhere that says the hvr 1500 isi supported by linux

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nhuisman_:

not if it's a small box

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nhuisman_:

are 1950's linux compat?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what the 1500 is

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nhuisman_:

external usb

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wagnerrp:

but you should probably be looking for something that says it IS supported by linux, rather than saying it isnt

[08:08:50]

SHADOW__X:

yes nhuisman_

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nhuisman_:

take for instance this

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nhuisman_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167028

[08:09:04]

nhuisman_:

you can't put a card in it

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SHADOW__X:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_USB_Devices

[08:09:23]

nhuisman_:

ah, thanks SHADOW__X

[08:09:51]

clever:

wagnerrp: haivng high cpu usage in colinux is a bit alarming

[08:10:01]

clever:

its showing up as 95% kernel usage in task manager

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[08:10:12]

clever:

which is normaly the sign of a major problem

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SHADOW__X:

so

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nhuisman_:

hmm

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nhuisman_:

this might be enough

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nhuisman_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856110069

[08:10:35]

nhuisman_:

has one slot

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wagnerrp:

if youre transcoding, you SHOULD be at full cpu usage

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clever:

95% of the load is in what windows thinks is a kernel side driver, but is actualy the colinux kernel

[08:10:51]

clever:

wagnerrp: yes, 100% userspace, NOT 100% kernel

[08:11:08]

clever:

100%kernel is what i get when things are crashing horidly

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wagnerrp:

oh

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clever:

but the entire colinux kernel(kernel and userspace) is reading as windows kernel acording to task manager

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SHADOW__X:

the hvr 1500 digital side is supported

[08:11:56]

SHADOW__X:

but i believe it uses the same cx23885 chip as my 1800

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clever:

windows hands the cpu off to the 'driver' which then devides the time between linux threads

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SHADOW__X:

so analog should work with the crazy hops i have to jump through

[08:12:12]

SHADOW__X:

which isnt bad

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SHADOW__X:

i might get that for my laptop

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clever:

but from the windows point of view all the time was spent in the driver

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nhuisman_:

thoughts on that last link?

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wagnerrp:

i found it, www.magma.com

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah thats the site i mentioned before

[08:14:12]

nhuisman_:

ack

[08:14:17]

nhuisman_:

apparently the video card sucks

[08:14:33]

wagnerrp:

clever: yeah, i remember it being mentioned a couple days ago

[08:14:37]

clever:

with the magma stuff you can multiply your pcie slots

[08:14:37]

wagnerrp:

but i couldnt find it again

[08:14:42]

clever:

or add pcie to the laptop

[08:14:54]

clever:

yeah i forgot what it was and spent days trying to refind it:P

[08:15:08]

nhuisman_:

hehe

[08:15:11]

nhuisman_:

lookin at it

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clever:

which is why i bookmark everything

[08:15:27]

clever:

which is why it takeks days to find what i want in my bookmarks

[08:15:49]

SHADOW__X:

so organize your bookmarks

[08:15:51]

clever:

ive started to actualy use folders in my bookmarks so its getting better now

[08:15:52]

SHADOW__X:

and use foxmarks

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SHADOW__X:

:D

[08:16:05]

clever:

i have foxmarks but that takes forever to sync

[08:16:05]

wagnerrp:

it seems you either get 1 slot, or you have to buy one of the big boys

[08:16:13]

wagnerrp:

the 1U box doesnt work with expresscard

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nhuisman_:

yeah

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nhuisman_:

i noticed

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah it would need massive bandwidth to feed all the cards

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nhuisman_:

not much of a point

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nhuisman_:

since there are express card hauppage

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clever:

it works if you have a slim rack server and want alot of pcie cards for something

[08:17:30]

clever:

but if you can handle the sound of a whole rack of servers you should just get a normal desktop

[08:17:36]

nhuisman_:

yeah

[08:17:42]

nhuisman_:

looking for hpc cases now

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wagnerrp:

well an expresscard slot is just x1 speed

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SHADOW__X:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815276002

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SHADOW__X:

anyone know if that card is supported :D

[08:18:11]

wagnerrp:

but very few devices will actually use 250MB/s bidirectional

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nhuisman_:

damn that's cheap

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nhuisman_:

heh

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SHADOW__X:

and a framegrabber

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SHADOW__X:

which = bad

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clever:

wagnerrp: which is why you can get away with shoving 4 cards onto 1 slot

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont know how they can claim that it is mpeg encoding

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wagnerrp:

when the encoding is done in the provided software

[08:19:37]

wagnerrp:

and it doesnt even do its own audio capture

[08:19:37]

clever:

i have a laptop that can cook food!

[08:19:42]

wagnerrp:

pathetic

[08:19:54]

clever:

the cpu can reach 90 c with a little effort

[08:20:04]

clever:

climb a mountain and you could allmost boil a pot of water on the thing

[08:20:11]

wagnerrp:

son of a bitch, i missed the logitech mouse on woot

[08:20:19]

clever:

wagnerrp: they had a woot-off

[08:20:25]

wagnerrp:

currently going

[08:20:31]

clever:

ran thru a small list of random products

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SHADOW__X:

why does woot keep chanign

[08:20:39]

nhuisman_:

maybe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856171003

[08:20:41]

clever:

printer router other stuff

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW__X: its a wootoff, thats what they do

[08:20:47]

clever:

SHADOW__X: its a woot-off

[08:21:02]

SHADOW__X:

just put random stuff up there and sell if for alittle

[08:21:02]

SHADOW__X:

?

[08:21:18]

clever:

SHADOW__X: small quantities of items

[08:21:23]

SHADOW__X:

ah ok

[08:21:31]

clever:

i last saw a elvil head

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clever:

elvis

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clever:

probly sings

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wagnerrp:

that seems VERY cheap for a huper

[08:21:42]

clever:

now its a roomba

[08:21:48]

wagnerrp:

i thought they were supposed to be extremely expensive

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nhuisman_:

not quite sure how that pci card bit works

[08:22:12]

nhuisman_:

seems like it's horizontal and the slots are verticle

[08:22:15]

nhuisman_:

vertical

[08:22:28]

wagnerrp:

nhuisman_: there is a standoff card

[08:22:34]

nhuisman_:

hmm

[08:22:37]

nhuisman_:

didn't see that

[08:22:40]

clever:

http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2008/0 . . . hihuahua.jpg

[08:22:44]

clever:

lol

[08:22:47]

wagnerrp:

actually, its a cable

[08:22:53]

wagnerrp:

look at the third to last image

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nhuisman_:

see it now

[08:22:58]

nhuisman_:

lets you put it in what ever slot I guess

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nhuisman_:

wonder how that works if there are two types of slots

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wagnerrp:

it only works for one of the slot types

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nhuisman_:

seems like it works for pci

[08:24:00]

wagnerrp:

its just PCI

[08:24:02]

nhuisman_:

which is stupid

[08:24:06]

wagnerrp:

why?

[08:24:11]

nhuisman_:

why throw out the pci e

[08:24:14]

nhuisman_:

over pci

[08:24:20]

wagnerrp:

they have onboard video

[08:24:33]

nhuisman_:

yeah but a pci e hauppage could have two tuners

[08:24:40]

wagnerrp:

besides, im sure you can buy additional cables from them

[08:24:43]

wagnerrp:

www.hipergroup.com

[08:25:00]

nhuisman_:

yeah I was just going to look

[08:25:11]

nhuisman_:

I figure that newegg link is just one way to configure it

[08:25:54]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyll build you just about anything you want

[08:25:56]

wagnerrp:

for a price...

[08:26:19]

wagnerrp:

thats a pretty slick case though

[08:26:52]

SHADOW__X:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail. . . . m_keycode=67

[08:26:55]

SHADOW__X:

where can i get that

[08:27:10]

clever:

maybe from circuitcity!

[08:27:20]

nhuisman_:

mmm http://www.hipergroup.com/products.php?lv=3&a . . . &pid=134

[08:27:20]

SHADOW__X:

no

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nhuisman_:

drool

[08:27:25]

SHADOW__X:

search clever

[08:27:34]

SHADOW__X:

where it says places to get it

[08:27:40]

SHADOW__X:

it says no onehas it

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clever:

lol

[08:27:45]

SHADOW__X:

its for sale for 50 bucks

[08:27:58]

SHADOW__X:

i would def go buy it when they open

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SHADOW__X:

i would prob buy 3 cash

[08:28:04]

SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

although i guess not that much money

[08:28:16]

SHADOW__X:

but realy though thats a great price

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clever:

i wonder if i could pick up any signals on atsc with that

[08:28:25]

SHADOW__X:

yeah you can

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SHADOW__X:

analog and digital

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SHADOW__X:

:D

[08:28:37]

clever:

i mean do i have any on my wire

[08:28:51]

SHADOW__X:

what provider

[08:28:51]

clever:

if not its just another analog encoder

[08:28:56]

clever:

rogers digital cable

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clever:

canada

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SHADOW__X:

i ahve no clue who that is

[08:29:05]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[08:29:07]

SHADOW__X:

maybe

[08:29:15]

SHADOW__X:

if not sell it to me

[08:29:16]

SHADOW__X:

lol

[08:29:21]

leprechau:

brb....kernel update...

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wagnerrp:

no one gets ATSC 'on their wire'

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wagnerrp:

all QAM

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clever:

wagnerrp: my cable wire:P

[08:29:44]

SHADOW__X:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[08:29:52]

SHADOW__X:

you dont have cable?

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clever:

ahh ota

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wagnerrp:

of course that card also supports QAM

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clever:

so im guessing atsc is the broadcast(radio signal) one

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SHADOW__X:

mhm

[08:30:18]

wagnerrp:

yes

[08:30:18]

SHADOW__X:

with the antennae

[08:30:31]

wagnerrp:

cable has higher signal quality

[08:30:32]

clever:

where did i leave my rabit ears:P

[08:30:39]

clever:

and what might i pick up in the middle of nowhere

[08:30:46]

wagnerrp:

so QAM-256 has double the datarate for a frequency span

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wagnerrp:

than ATSC does

[08:30:58]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[08:31:05]

wagnerrp:

more desirable for cable providers

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clever:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Working_ . . . .29_-_Rogers

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clever:

thats about a 5 hour drive from where i am

[08:31:43]

SHADOW__X:

sweet atleast with provoking i can record analog now

[08:31:44]

SHADOW__X:

lol

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nhuisman_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811214030

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nhuisman_:

that's prety cheap

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SHADOW__X:

albeit i have to be here to tune the channel

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clever:

and is the only one in the wiki in my province

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clever:

my other hd option is to upgrade to a SA3250 based STB and firewire it to death

[08:34:24]

clever:

ive allready got a pci fw card

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clever:

but my only use atm is a 400mbit link between 2 desktops

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clever:

mythtranscode and my hdd cant ever use that much so there isnt much of a point in doing that

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

i would say get a cheap digital card and test it

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wagnerrp:

get it from a B&M, and then just return it if it doesnt work

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SHADOW__X:

yups

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nhuisman_:

the antec cases are looking pretty nice

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nhuisman_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129030

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nhuisman_:

curious if the volume and lcd work in linux though

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directhex:

http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200807/uktv.jpg explains a lot

[08:45:53]

nhuisman_:

snicker

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wagnerrp:

whats that say at the bottom?

[08:46:44]

wagnerrp:

"*Its a matter of ????. Probably."

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nhuisman_:

hmm

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nhuisman_:

zalman has a pretty sweet case with a touch screen

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sid3windr:

"-as- a matter of ???. probably" I read

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clever:

ive got a wicked looking 320x240 ish lcd

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nhuisman_:

hmm

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nhuisman_:

doesn't seem like there are ny linux drivers for it

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clever:

http://www.lcd-module.de/giff/grafik/foto/p320-8k2.jpg

[08:51:37]

sid3windr:

cute

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clever:

i found the pdf(an english one) which explains exactly how to interface with it

[08:51:51]

clever:

the control is plain rs323(serial)

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nhuisman_:

for your lcd?

[08:52:14]

clever:

only thing special it needs is a new backlight tube and a strong 5v source

[08:52:17]

clever:

yeah

[08:52:29]

clever:

it was replaced because the backlight is on its way out

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nhuisman_:

would be interesting to see if anyone has something predone for the myth tv interface

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clever:

the whole module(mounting bracket and all) was just replaced

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clever:

assuming you dont activate any of the special commands(# is the trigger) it just acts like a dumb terminal

[08:53:48]

clever:

whatever ascii you feed it gets displayed onscreen

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clever:

could allmost iostat -x 5> /dev/ttyS0

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clever:

bigest problem i can see atm is giving it a heavy 5v source

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clever:

i touched it to the 5v line for an unused hdd connector on my box

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clever:

and the thing had a brownout

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clever:

5v line droped to nothing and the system rebooted

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sid3windr:

wagnerrp: "in a matter of minutes. probably" :)

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wagnerrp:

ah, that makes sense

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sid3windr:

(http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Sophisticated . . . aratus.aspx)

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Nido:

:)

[09:07:57]

wagnerrp:

thats a nice zoom algorithm

[09:10:50]

clever:

yeah

[09:11:10]

clever:

ive heard of methods that can improve quality between many poor images of the same thing

[09:11:17]

clever:

but to get that good out of a single image

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nhuisman_:

k i think I picked a case

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nhuisman_:

now to pick the mobo/cpu

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justinh:

directhex: lol

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directhex:

justinh, i'd be meaner, if not for the systems in the past we've had to sculpt airflow around using industrial packing foam and duct tape

[09:16:08]

clever:

lol

[09:16:22]

clever:

the sun ultra 25 i have looks wicked for airflow internaly

[09:16:35]

clever:

so much open space you could allmost swing a dead cat in there:P

[09:16:47]

directhex:

ducting > empty space

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directhex:

look inside a cap pro or dell xps

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directhex:

mac

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clever:

it has a rack of 3 fans

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clever:

with a duct on 1 aiming it into the cpu sink

[09:17:25]

clever:

no dedicated fan 'on' the sink itself

[09:17:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah, im impressed by the cleanliness of the intel mac pros

[09:17:52]

directhex:

http://switchtoamac.com/images/hardware/macs/ . . . o_inside.jpg

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nhuisman_:

i'm not so impressed by their price

[09:18:42]

justinh:

club I have my monthly residency at has a massive rack with all the amplifiers in it. When I started the bass amp was shutting down due to overheating. Why? The amps were all bunched together

[09:19:37]

wagnerrp:

oh, you mean you shouldnt keep 20kW worth of equipment in one spot?

[09:19:49]

justinh:

duh

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clever:

wagnerrp: the hdd's on the ultra 25 plug DIREcTLY into a dedicated board

[09:19:58]

clever:

power&sata thru a single connector

[09:20:00]

clever:

no ribbon/cord

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directhex:

nhuisman_, here's something to pass the time. spec up the most obscenely overpowered desktop computer you can for <= Â£5k inc vat, from ebuyer.com or scan.co.uk

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wagnerrp:

clever: as they do on the mac pros

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justinh:

same guy did that who put the fscking subwoofer on a roof beam, the same beam the dj booth is resting on

[09:20:28]

nhuisman_:

directhex: heh yeah i've done that before

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clever:

wagnerrp: http://optionalg.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/k3_ultra40_4.jpg

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nhuisman_:

not to that price range

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directhex:

clever, the point of sata (one of them) is to standardise the connectors to allow single-plug power/sata

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clever:

wagnerrp: do the mac's have a lockable window so you can oogle the hardware without the keys?

[09:21:09]

clever:

that window is under the normal side cover

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nhuisman_:

don't think it's lockable

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clever:

theres a retractable tab on the back

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nhuisman_:

not positive though

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justinh:

there's a point to sata after all? not just moving to connectors that are vastly inferior & cheaper to make?

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clever:

which when sticking out the back you can put a padlock thru

[09:21:45]

directhex:

nhuisman_, would you believe at Â£5k i ran out of money for the spec i wanted to write? ;)

[09:21:46]

clever:

then the whole window wont come out

[09:21:55]

wagnerrp:

clever: those drives look like they plug directly into a backplane, as opposed to directly into the motherboard

[09:22:03]

clever:

wagnerrp: exactly

[09:22:12]

nhuisman_:

justinh: the cabling is sure a lot easier with sata

[09:22:13]

directhex:

justinh, and cables which are easier to route& cause less airflow issues?

[09:22:15]

clever:

then theres a very short specialized cord to tie it over

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nhuisman_:

justinh: try cabling 48 ide drives into a 5u case

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clever:

which is just short enough to reach without a 20foot loop to mess with airflow

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wagnerrp:

nearly every hotswap system has drives plugging directly into a backplane

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wagnerrp:

SCSI backplanes have been doing that for 10 years

[09:22:44]

nhuisman_:

you still need to get your raid card to the backplane

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directhex:

string and tin cans.

[09:22:57]

clever:

the entire rack directly beside hdd's is the fans

[09:23:09]

clever:

which can be removed all at once with 1 hand and no screwdriver

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directhex:

it's not as pretty as a mac. imagine http://www.au-ja.de/bilder/2006/DellPrecision690.jpg with a big black plastic shroud making a distinct channel frmo the 120mm at the front to the exhaust at the back, covering CPUs and RAm dautherboards

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wagnerrp:

clever: you mean you have to remove the fans all at once?

[09:24:04]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to do that

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clever:

wagnerrp: yes they are all 1 module

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nhuisman_:

I have an antec : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

[09:24:15]

nhuisman_:

I like it a lot

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clever:

wagnerrp: which plugs into its own tiny backplane like board

[09:24:36]

clever:

which is then wired to the mobo thru a short jumper like the hdd backplane

[09:24:36]

nhuisman_:

just like most server cases

[09:24:44]

wagnerrp:

clever: check out some of the supermicro systems, the center plane is four independently hotswapable 90mm fans

[09:24:47]

nhuisman_:

the fans just clip in and out

[09:25:04]

clever:

wagnerrp: what id like more is to be able to hotswap the fans:P

[09:25:19]

wagnerrp:

clever: read three lines up

[09:25:21]

clever:

the bearings in my 133mhz keep blowing like nothing(cpu fan)

[09:25:33]

clever:

didnt see the word 'hot' in that line until now:P

[09:26:48]

nhuisman_:

I prefer macs for laptops

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wagnerrp:

i prefer lenovo personally

[09:27:17]

wagnerrp:

i just have no taste for 'Mac' styling

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nhuisman_:

which one?

[09:27:32]

wagnerrp:

former IBMs, T series

[09:27:38]

nhuisman_:

I would like the thinkpad line if they would modernize the fucking mouse part

[09:27:42]

nhuisman_:

i hate the nib

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justinh:

directhex: sata connectors are effing flimsy though

[09:27:45]

nhuisman_:

I love that case though

[09:27:54]

wagnerrp:

fuck, i LOVE the nib

[09:28:01]

nhuisman_:

justinh: just buy the cables which actually clip

[09:28:02]

wagnerrp:

its so much easier to use than a touchpad

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directhex:

justinh, i don't know if it forms part of any formal specs, but lots of people have locking sata connectors these days

[09:28:19]

nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: I LOVE the right click on the mac touchpad

[09:28:24]

nhuisman_:

and the two finger scroll

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directhex:

am i a bad man for liking my dell laptop, then?

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nhuisman_:

it just seems so natural to me now

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justinh:

nhuisman_: the connectors onboard don't normally clip – plus they're very weakly attached to the board. No PTH like IDE. quickly learn to be careful ;)

[09:28:53]

wagnerrp:

i love the fact that i dont have to move my finger, and theres no limit to range of motion of the mouse

[09:29:08]

nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: yeah I just never got used to it.

[09:29:22]

wagnerrp:

same, but opposite

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justinh:

IBM's 'clit' is like Marmite :)

[09:29:52]

nhuisman_:

I have the sensitivity turned up so there is never an issue of not being able to move across the whole screen without picking up my finger

[09:29:54]

directhex:

http://xkcd.com/243/

[09:29:55]

wagnerrp:

i could probably get used to a touchpad, but im not going to until they burn every titmouse in existance

[09:29:57]

justinh:

you can either get used to it quickly (and thus love it) or not

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nhuisman_:

I love linux for desktop

[09:30:52]

nhuisman_:

but I kind of like os x for laptop

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justinh:

who said linux?

[09:31:02]

nhuisman_:

no one, i'm just bringing that up

[09:31:13]

justinh:

I hate computers, end of story

[09:31:21]

wagnerrp:

ive got linux on my laptop, but its merely convenience

[09:31:23]

nhuisman_:

I really love expose

[09:31:35]

wagnerrp:

easier to interface with the cluster at work using linux

[09:31:37]

nhuisman_:

it makes the lower screen res much more useable

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justinh:

hell might freeze over before I try linux on my laptop

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nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: yeah but os x has ssh

[09:31:54]

nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: and an xserver

[09:31:58]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but osx required touchpads

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nhuisman_:

hehe

[09:32:08]

directhex:

i need linux on my laptop to effectively do my job

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wagnerrp:

and a new (and very expensive) laptop

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directhex:

well, i COULD use osx, but i really don't like it

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nhuisman_:

directhex: yeah I like it for laptop purposes.

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nhuisman_:

directhex: but for a desktop, ubuntu ftw

[09:32:52]

nhuisman_:

server, debian ftw

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wagnerrp:

besides, why write programs to deal with reduced screen res

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directhex:

glados:~ root# uname -a

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directhex:

Darwin glados.oerc.ox.ac.uk 9.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 9.4.0: Mon Jun 9 19:30:53 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.5.20~1/RELEASE_I386 i386

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wagnerrp:

when you can just.. get higher screen res

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nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: because they weigh more

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wagnerrp:

no, you just get a higher res screen, same size

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nhuisman_:

wagnerrp: it's not a lot more, maybe 200 pixels

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wagnerrp:

the one i was looking at a week ago when i thought my laptop had died was a 15" WUXGA

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nhuisman_:

I don't think I ever want a 15" again

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wagnerrp:

the machine was still only 6lbvs

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nhuisman_:

I like 12–13 now

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nhuisman_:

which are mostly 1280x800

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wagnerrp:

i dont think ill be satisfied with anything less than UXGA, and computer manufacturers just dont cater to people with good vision

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nhuisman_:

you can get 1920x1200 on 15, pretty crazy

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justinh:

heh I KNOW I'm not a geek because I still don't have a clue what all the stupid display abbreviations mean

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directhex:

justinh, nor do i

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nhuisman_:

i'm a wide screen fan now

[09:34:57]

justinh:

MOARXGAFTW/whatever

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directhex:

justinh, they started chrating when they started just prefixing "ultra mega hyper" to mean "big"

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directhex:

cheating

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nhuisman_:

nah

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wagnerrp:

you cant forget the +s

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nhuisman_:

those are pretty standerdized

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directhex:

nhuisman_, i want an eee-sty;e thing really.

[09:36:04]

wagnerrp:

ive actually been looking at getting one of those nokia tablets

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nhuisman_:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WXGA

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wagnerrp:

although i would have to find the time to write programs to make it worthwhile

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directhex:

i would not buy a laptop which is heavier than my dell

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justinh:

why don't they just quote the *actual* resolution & make it one less thing to look up?

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nhuisman_:

my next laptop will be < 4 lbs

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directhex:

which rules out a disappointing amount of the market

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nhuisman_:

I don't even have a desktop at home anymore

[09:37:42]

wagnerrp:

the sky is starting to lighten

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wagnerrp:

thats my cue to sleep

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nhuisman_:

heh

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nhuisman_:

it's 11:30 here

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wagnerrp:

5:30

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wagnerrp:

just starting to notice a faint reddish glow

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nhuisman_:

btw

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nhuisman_:

decided on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129030

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directhex:

nhuisman_, my current laptop, which is 3 years old, weighs 1.7kg

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wagnerrp:

just under 4lbs

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nhuisman_:

directhex: sony tx?

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wagnerrp:

4lbs is not amazingly light

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directhex:

nhuisman_, dell d410

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nhuisman_:

ah

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wagnerrp:

thats relatively common for smaller laptops

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justinh:

wasn't arsed how much my laptop weighs since I won't really be carrying it far when I go on the road

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directhex:

wagnerrp, sad thing is, most laptops weigh ~3kg

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nhuisman_:

I think my next laptop will have an integrated + 3d switch

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wagnerrp:

thats about what my current one

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nhuisman_:

so I can still play a few games and yet have battery

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wagnerrp:

but it was 8yrs old, and was high end back then

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nhuisman_:

this macbook is ok but it's still pretty heavy

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directhex:

laptops suck for gaming. the only way to make them not suck is to make them desktops, by adding a decent keyboard & mouse & speakers

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wagnerrp:

ive been lugging it around ever since, so im used to it

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directhex:

at which point, fuck it

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nhuisman_:

directhex: it's a good thing my friends and I still play war 3

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nhuisman_:

:)

[09:41:15]

nhuisman_:

though diablo 3 and sc 2 will definitely need a new gfx cad

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nhuisman_:

card

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wagnerrp:

i havent attempted to game on my laptop in years, at most its an X-terminal

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wagnerrp:

of course if i get a new laptop, it wont be for much more than that

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justinh:

if you have enough time to play games you don't do enough OSS developing :P

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nhuisman_:

hehe

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nhuisman_:

I play games once a week

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nhuisman_:

well and one web game

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wagnerrp:

well avoiding writing papers consumes most of my time

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nhuisman_:

we all get together and lan on tuesdays

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nhuisman_:

which is funny because we are all almost 30 now :P

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justinh:

jees you old farts!

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nhuisman_:

hmm what micro atx board to get

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directhex:

a blue one

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directhex:

or black

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justinh:

I felt old on saturday night. about the oldest person in the nightclub after the promoters

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nhuisman_:

directhex: laugh

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directhex:

actually, why are motherboards boring these days? when i were a lad, motherboards came in powdered silvery finish, or with loads of uv-reactive glow in the dark bits, and had mad features like valve amp sound cards

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directhex:

or there was the asus gamer board with dual xeon sockets

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nhuisman_:

directhex: you can still get mbs with tube amps

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wagnerrp:

a 'lad'? that was like 2 years ago

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justinh:

directhex: maybe because they won't be seen often, and people with case windows don't get laid

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nhuisman_:

directhex: pretty funny shit

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wagnerrp:

ill go with justinh on that one

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clever:

justinh: what about hdd windows?

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directhex:

clever, yay for HDD windows

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wagnerrp:

hdd windows are one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard of

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Er1K:

I'm running the multiproto.5 patch against release-0-21-fixes with a tt-s2–3200 pointed at dish network (north america) and I get a good signal lock, but the channel scan always comes back with a 'no tables' message

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Er1K:

I can tune the card just fine with szap and watch it with mplayer

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directhex:

wagnerrp, yet strangely compelling!

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah but they are still fun to point at and laught:P

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justinh:

people who own hdds with windows know they'll never get laid so they just go the whole hog

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sid3windr:

the hdd window in the raptor looked cool

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nhuisman_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138097

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nhuisman_:

thinking this one

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sid3windr:

when running hdtach you could see it go nuts ;)

[09:46:33]

wagnerrp:

you can see the platters spin... except you cant, because if you could see them spin, the imperfections that allowed that would have already trashed the heads

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directhex:

you can see the head move, more to the point

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nhuisman_:

hdd porn

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nhuisman_:

in out in out in out

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justinh:

that must get boring quickly

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clever:

wagnerrp: theres a nut in the center like a car tire which you should see the points on

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wagnerrp:

id rather be watching the thing that made the hard drive spin

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directhex:

justinh, of course

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clever:

though at that speed it would just be a blur

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Er1K:

I took a full height 5.25 drive apart when I was 12 and fired it up....that was enough watching hard drives spin fun!

[09:47:32]

wagnerrp:

clever: not at 120rps you cant

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clever:

yeah

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directhex:

justinh, there will always be a market for adding colc cathodes & body kits to a nova

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justinh:

directhex: yeah, sadly the shooting on sight of people who carry out such mods isn't likely to become law

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clever:

http://pics.nase-bohren.de/nerd.jpg

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directhex:

clever, stereotypes are always right.

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nhuisman_:

the case I bought has a window in it

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nhuisman_:

and leds

[09:49:13]

nhuisman_:

but I bought it because it had lots of hd bays

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Er1K:

I use linux and I get laid regularly, but I guess it doesn't count if you are married :)

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nhuisman_:

and was well ventilated

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clever:

directhex: like this? http://pics.nase-bohren.de/men-multitasking.gif

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clever:

Er1K: depends on if you discovered linux before or after getting married:P

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directhex:

clever, please avoid linking gifs with flopping dongs in

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clever:

directhex: i only know of one that matches that rule:P

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nhuisman_:

so no meatspin?

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Er1K:

well before....but then again, I met my wife on irc

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directhex:

clever, the one you just posted did!

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clever:

i dont have meatspin bookmarked for fast finding:P

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wagnerrp:

priorities is good

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clever:

meatspin isnt the kind of thing i send to people on a daily basis

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justinh:

Er1K: from what I hear from my other married friends, the length of time into the marriage is inversely proportional to the amount of time on conjugal manoevres

[09:51:36]

Er1K:

So I've learned.

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justinh:

I say nothing to preserve the myth

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directhex:

moving house can help, since there are so many new rooms to "christen"

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nhuisman_:

yeah marriage definitely move sex from once a week to once a month

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clever:

directhex: or new furniture:P

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nhuisman_:

move->moves

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Er1K:

ack, after two years, I'm still getting used to once-a-day to once-a-week. It gets worse.

[09:53:22]

Er1K:

good lord

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justinh:

once a week after 2 years isn't so bad, count yourself lucky

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clever:

Er1K: im still living in my dads basement:P

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nhuisman_:

Honestly I don't want it once a day

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Er1K:

I lease one of my dad's rental properties.....we have sex in my dad's basement :P

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nhuisman_:

unless it was a different girl every time

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

TMI, maybe time to change the subject.. ahem

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nhuisman_:

i dunno after four years

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** stuarta beats everyone with the topic trout **

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nhuisman_:

anyways

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Er1K:

kk

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Er1K:

sorry

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clever:

thats what #mythtv is for:P

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sid3windr:

:>

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directhex:

stuarta, wives & mythtv are related topics!

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Er1K:

no, being bitched at by a bot about not being worthy to be there is what #mythtv is all about

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Er1K:

:)

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clever:

directhex: yeah the WAF

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stuarta:

directhex: loosely :)

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justinh:

if it wasn't for the off-topic banter here I think a lot of people would be a whole lot more crazy. Too much "will this work with mythtv?" makes people go mad

[09:56:06]

directhex:

stuarta, no WAF, no myth network

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stuarta:

indeed

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directhex:

justinh, do goats work with myth? :<

[09:56:29]

stuarta:

WAF factor is currently good

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clever:

directhex: my dad doesnt like the idea of mythtv much

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clever:

says that i never have time to watch everything i record

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justinh:

yes, but the fact that children may be present here means I can't tell you how

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clever:

and yet i still manage to watch everything:P

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directhex:

clever, timestretch!

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Er1K:

sounds like a dang good excuse to record even more!

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clever:

directhex: no need:P

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nhuisman_:

clever: I think my new goal will be to record stuff on mythtv, convert it to a portable device

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nhuisman_:

and force myself to watch tv at the gym

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clever:

directhex: i can avoid things like sleep

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clever:

nhuisman_: i can convert my recordings to avi and dump them into my SD chio

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clever:

which then can play on the treo 650 or treo 700 phone

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nhuisman_:

spending 8 hours a day in a chair not moving doesn't do much for keeping fit

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** Er1K already has a transcoding script he uses for his blackberry for other things.....can't wait to hook that into myth once I get my sat problem worked out **

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** justinh went for a 3.5 mile walk at lunchtime yesterday **

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clever:

nhuisman_: it would be better to just put a exercise machine by your frontend:P

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Er1K:

Hmmmmmm with a bigger microsd card, I could go for a long walk...and watch tv at the same time

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nhuisman_:

you know, it's odd, it almost seems like walking 4 miles is more of a pain then running

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clever:

maybe power the lcd panel from a bike generator

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nhuisman_:

nhuisman_: that would cost quite a bit

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nhuisman_:

laugh

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nhuisman_:

oops

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justinh:

nhuisman_: probably, especially when somebody's GPS device goes flaky in the heat & we get lost in some woodland

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Er1K:

ok, then....wouldn't it be cheaper to just walk in place in front of your frontend?

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clever:

i mostly go for hour long walks in the woods WITHOUT a gps

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clever:

and i dont get lost

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nhuisman_:

i'm pretty sure that wouldn't burn very many calories

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clever:

even on trails ive never been on before

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nhuisman_:

compared to a cross trainer

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justinh:

Er1K: undoubtedly, but fresh air is good for the soul!

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directhex:

justinh, so is burning peons at the stake

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clever:

justinh: open more windows

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nhuisman_:

hmm

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nhuisman_:

so the 2250

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Er1K:

soul shmoul, I pray to the glowing box

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justinh:

open more windows. in a building which has no windows

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clever:

justinh: get a better house

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** Er1K hands justin a saw. **

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justinh:

I'm not talking about my home

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nhuisman_:

that seems like the best card per slot

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justinh:

my workplace is a glass monstrosity :(

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clever:

lol

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Er1K:

my workplace is my basement :)

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Er1K:

(yeah, it has multiple uses)

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clever:

lol

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justinh:

and the guy who knows how to work the air conditioning is on holiday for 2 weeks, starting yesterday

[10:02:03]

justinh:

yeah I know – why isn't it just 'set & forget' ? We thought that but apparently there's a lot more to it

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Er1K:

They schedule it that way on purpose. These are the most expensive two weeks of the year to run the A/C.

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nhuisman_:

damn you newegg

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Er1K:

Smart bosses you have.

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nhuisman_:

why don't you sell 2250 haupage

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justinh:

maybe their sister site, www.rottenegg.com have it :P

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nhuisman_:

what's the difference between clear qam and qam?

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justinh:

one is in the clear by definition, the other isn't

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justinh:

'in the clear' meaning *unscrambled*

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nhuisman_:

hey the WinTV-PVR-150 is supported in linux right

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nhuisman_:

i have one lying aorund

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justinh:

yup

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nhuisman_:

hmm

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nhuisman_:

looking for a nice simple remote

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nhuisman_:

ideas?

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directhex:

the pvr150 is alsop analog-only

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directhex:

so unrelated to QAM

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nhuisman_:

yeah I have analog tv

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directhex:

for now

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nhuisman_:

going to get a 2250 in a bit probably

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directhex:

nhuisman_, and you're going to write the linux driver for it too?

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nhuisman_:

that's exactly why i'm not getting it now

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nhuisman_:

so lets see, 24", case, cpu, hd, mobo, remote, tuner

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nhuisman_:

missing anything?

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nhuisman_:

speakers I guess :P

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nhuisman_:

but I have those

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justinh:

ram?

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jduggan:

life?

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jduggan:

;]

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nhuisman_:

oops yeah I have that in the cart

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justinh:

graphics device?

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nhuisman_:

mobo has it

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nhuisman_:

built in hdmi/dvi

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nhuisman_:

actually i'm not sure if the remote I have now will work with linux

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nhuisman_:

never tried it

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nhuisman_:

man all those remotes have way too many buttons

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nhuisman_:

i just want something slim and simple

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justinh:

apple mote!

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justinh:

:-z

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nhuisman_:

sure but can that work with a normal IR reciever

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nhuisman_:

?

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justinh:

depends on the receiver

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justinh:

generally, the 'dumb' the receiver, the better the chance 'just any old remote' will work

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justinh:

er.. the more 'dumb' the receiver

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nhuisman_:

hmmmm

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nhuisman_:

projector

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nhuisman_:

;)

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directhex:

the more 'dumb' the user, however...

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koenvi:

any users here with satellite experience in Flanders, Belgium?

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koenvi:

someone with satellite experience at all?

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ivor:

olejl: so get a debug build and backtrace.

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Pete__:

Satellite experience of a few days

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ivor:

koenvi: they're big metal things whirling about in the sky I believe.

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koenvi:

ivor: thanks, I had no idea :-)

[11:58:49]

ivor:

pleasure. :)

[11:58:56]

ivor:

what's up?

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koenvi:

I'm wondering if it is possible of 2 frontends watch diff channels if your backend has one dvb-s

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koenvi:

note: I'm a newby!

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Pete__:

on the same transponder yes

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ivor:

with multi-rec and if the channels are on the same multiplex then yes.

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koenvi:

the same multiplex being the same frequency?

[12:01:10]

** justinh hides when the 'screen setup wizard' is mentioned **

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Pete__:

yes

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koenvi:

ah .. that's good news

[12:02:36]

koenvi:

next question: can a dvb-s2 card do dvb-s as well? .. or should I just check the card's specs?

[12:02:46]

justinh:

yes they can do dvb-s too

[12:02:55]

justinh:

they're supposed to be backwards compatible

[12:03:19]

Pete__:

but finding a dvb-s2 card with a reasonable driver will be interesting

[12:03:24]

koenvi:

so if I wanted to watch HD in the future, dvb-s2 would be the better investment, right?

[12:03:36]

justinh:

as far as I know though, they don't work quite the same way in linux as a straight dvb-s tuner

[12:05:08]

koenvi:

as the house where the dish will be mounted on, is still to be constructed, I still have some time to wait and see ;-)

[12:05:28]

ivor:

koenvi: well, best tactic I find is to simply get does the job best now... then get what works best in the future, rather than try to buy "future proof"

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Nido:

I

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ivor:

koenvi: you're building a house to get the best dish position! wow. :)

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koenvi:

priorities! right? :-)

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Nido:

ve downloaded tv_grab_nl_py and 'installed' it in my home bin folder. next, I've created a symlink to /usr/bin/tv_grab_nl. however, it doesn't show up as a grabber in mythtv under ubuntu

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Nido:

any ideas?

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justinh:

does the symlink show as executable?

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gbee:

Nido: type "tv_grab_nl_py --capabilities"

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directhex:

and make sure it says "baseline" \o/

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gbee:

or "tv_grab_nl --capabilities"

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gbee:

any output?

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Nido:

yues it does

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Nido:

baseline, cache, manualconfig, preferredmethod

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koenvi:

let's go deeper into watching diff channels with one tuner: what will happen if one frontend switches to a channel on another freq?

[12:08:53]

justinh:

heh. http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2 . . . -tv-division

[12:09:05]

justinh:

koenvi: what do you think would happen?

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gbee:

Nido: ok, now "tv_find_grabbers"

[12:09:12]

Nido:

the symlink is executable as I executed it

[12:09:22]

Nido:

ah. there's the glitch

[12:09:37]

Nido:

the only executable which starts with 'tv_' is 'tv_grab_nl'

[12:09:44]

ivor:

justinh: would it flick between the two channels really quickly over and over? :)

[12:09:56]

koenvi:

justinh: I think the other frontend will loose its channel ... but what will he see instead?

[12:10:08]

justinh:

koenvi: maybe you could just rethink your philosphy as it relates to television – i.e. just record everything you're likely to want to watch & timeshift it :)

[12:10:18]

black_Nightmare_:

I've looked at the several wiki pages for using mythtv with stb's but I'm just curious about something a bit different now: could mythtv possible be set up to control a receiver's setup on its own especially with setting the speakers for different type of media played? (so I don't have to bother with receiver remote every time the file media changes)

[12:10:23]

Pete__:

I think the card remains on the multiplex and you're stuck back onto a channel on it

[12:10:39]

gbee:

koenvi: you wouldn't be able to change the channel if that card is currently in use by another frontend

[12:10:44]

justinh:

koenvi: it'll possibly just not allow changing away from the same frequency until the other frontend stops watching

[12:11:05]

koenvi:

I'm thinking of MythTV as a solution to have multiple TV's in the house with digital quality

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justinh:

live tv. it's so 20th century

[12:11:28]

justinh:

the words 'digital' and 'quality' are not synonymous :)

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ivor:

koenvi: if you're planning on having lots of tvs with a selection of inputs then you should think about multiple capture cards.

[12:12:02]

Nido:

youtube is digital quality too

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justinh:

my phone takes digital quality videos in mpeg4 at 320x240 resolution!

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justinh:

they look effing nasty though

[12:12:59]

ivor:

justinh: yeah well film some kittens then.

[12:13:00]

Nido:

I can recode the video in an 32x32 resolution and remain the digital quality

[12:13:06]

Nido:

it looks like shit but is still digital

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Nido:

ah

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justinh:

ivor: point being, unless you know what is supposed to appear in the video, you might never guess ;)

[12:13:58]

Nido:

I installed some xmltv package, now I have tv_find_grabbers

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Nido:

I go and see if myth gets it now too

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koenvi:

guys and girls, thanks a lot for the input so far! have 2 go now!

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ivor:

justinh: not.... max mosely sessions??? :/

[12:14:33]

justinh:

too blurry to be able to tell

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justinh:

can macroblocks end up looking like swostikas?

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ivor:

actually perhaps we should stop there before the lawyers turn up.. :)

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Nido:

thank s guy;s it works

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justinh:

hey what one guy pays to happen in the privacy of his own surroundings is his own business

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ivor:

yeah but can't we all have a good laugh at his expense and make double entendres about it?

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justinh:

at least you can rest easy that no UK sports teams would ever be embroiled in such a scandal – I mean they all get a good thrashing on a regular basis

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ivor:

:)

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justinh:

irony is, they're being paid to get thrashed :P

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olejl:

ivor: OK now I have compiled with debug. How do I backtrace?

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Dibblah:

olejl: Google knows.

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rooau1:

olejl: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2

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olejl:

Is it possible to read something from this http://pastebin.com/d4393366d ?

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Dibblah:

olejl: You don't have any symbols.

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olejl:

OK? And how can I arrange that?

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olejl:

I didn't make distclean could that be the reason?

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Dibblah:

Did you make install? Did you use the binary you just built or the packaged one you had previously?

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Dibblah:

Not sure if make distclean is necessary.

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olejl:

Yes I did make install

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justinh:

with the right prefix during ./configure ?

[13:03:39]

olejl:

I was running svn from before so I just recompiled with debug. There is no packages installed

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olejl:

recompiling now after make distclean

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rooau1:

olejl: You reconfigured and compiled mythtv first or just the plugins?

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olejl:

I only did mythtv. Didn't do anything with the plugins. Should I have?

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rooau1:

heh, nevermind... I forgot that mythappearance is no longer a plugin.

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justinh:

shh!

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olejl:

Still receive No symbol table info available

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Dibblah:

olejl: How are you running mythfrontend?

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olejl:

This is my first time trying to debug in linux so the chances are big that I have missed something obvious

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Dibblah:

ls -l `which mythfrontend`

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Dibblah:

file `which mythfrontend`

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olejl:

I used this command for debugging: "gdb /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend -x gdbcommands"

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Dibblah:

file /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

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Dibblah:

then ;)

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olejl:

ls -l `which mythfrontend` -> /usr/local/bin/mythfrontend

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Dibblah:

olejl: And the date is the date you compiled?

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Dibblah:

And file doesn't say 'stripped'...?

[13:23:03]

olejl:

Yes it does, but I am not allowed to post that. I will post tp pastebin

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olejl:

http://pastebin.com/d199f01ad

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olejl:

it say 'not stripped'

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olejl:

which date are you talking about?

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KaZeR:

anyone using mythtv to play fullHD content?

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justinh:

meaning?

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GreyFoxx:

"fullhd" ?

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** justinh waits for "1080p bluray ripz in mkv format, of course" :P **

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Dibblah:

olejl: You will get "no symbols" for any externals.

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Dibblah:

Pastebin the current output of your gdb command.

[13:30:58]

olejl:

http://pastebin.com/d7e51203

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olejl:

Sorry that was not only the current. I will post again...

[13:33:49]

olejl:

Latest and greatest: http://pastebin.com/d24e7ad31

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ivor:

justinh: it's starting to be used as a marketing term for 1080p isn't it.

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teprrr:

anyone knows what fro "wait for seq start" setting is useful for? could disabling of it make the tuning to a channel faster?

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justinh:

dunno

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ivor:

teprrr: useful to make tuning a bit more reliable if you have a decoder that's a bit fragile (e.g. via) wont make it any faster.... well unless your decoder gets all chunked up munching over the stream.

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ivor:

ah, I see you said "disabling" not "enabling" sorry!

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ivor:

yes disabling might make it fractionally quicker.

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teprrr:

ivor, okies, have to test it perhaps then

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i_is_cat:

i've got the dct6000 hooked up through composite to the pvr150 and i get a picture ok, have the channel change script set which works great through cli but when its entered in the mythtv-setup area it wont change the channel higher than 3 and if i manually enter in a number like say 45 then it switches from the dct6000 input to the pvr350

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i_is_cat:

anyone know wtf?

[14:01:02]

i_is_cat:

changing channels with the mceusb2 usb ir blaster box thing that came with the pvr150

[14:01:46]

i_is_cat:

i even tried someone elses channel changing script and it does the exact same thing, wont go higher than chan 3

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i_is_cat:

if i set the default starting channel to anything, when i select the dct6000 input it starts on whatever channel i set it on but as soon as i try to change channels it goes back to chan 3 or switches inputs to the pvr350 again

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i_is_cat:

i dont get what the hell is going on.. everything should be working fine it just doesnt want to change the stb channels or stay on the pvr150 composite input which i named dct6000

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i_is_cat:

oh ya and if i change the channel down from 3 to 2 it works but go down again and it switches inputs to pvr350

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Aval0n:

sup justinh

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justinh:

falling asleep here. need to go home

[14:16:51]

Aval0n:

ahh

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Aval0n:

where are you

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Aval0n:

work?

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justinh:

aye

[14:17:09]

Aval0n:

eek

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Aval0n:

what time is it there?

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justinh:

3.17pm

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Aval0n:

ahh

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justinh:

sleep pattern is messed up after a night of partying really hard on saturday

[14:17:56]

Aval0n:

lol

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Aval0n:

that'll do it

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justinh:

36 years old & going to bed at 5am – should know better

[14:18:26]

Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

heck man I'm 28 and I have a hard time if I go to best past 1am

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justinh:

hahaha

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Aval0n:

;)

[14:19:18]

justinh:

then again I dunno how long I'd last without Red Bull :P

[14:19:26]

Aval0n:

this is also true ;)

[14:24:34]

justinh:

it's all well & good having wih-hings but people need to sleep

[14:24:51]

Aval0n:

hehe

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Aval0n:

ayew

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justinh:

I might not stay at that hotel again either. last thing you expect is for some bloke to follow you back to your room & try to solicit you for sex lol

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Dibblah:

... wait for seq start is a DVB option.

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sid3windr:

:|

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Aval0n:

a dude?!

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Dibblah:

teprrr: That was for you.

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justinh:

ok I know I'm no jock ffs but a rent boy? rofl

[14:26:44]

Aval0n:

justinh: some dude was trying to sell you teh sex?

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Dibblah:

And yes, it can theoretically speed up tuning by about half a second.

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justinh:

no, he was offering to pay me

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Aval0n:

*gasp*

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Aval0n:

you gotta be kidding me

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Aval0n:

holy crap

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Aval0n:

lol

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sid3windr:

wtf :)

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justinh:

freaked me out, kind of but I find it funny now

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Aval0n:

haha

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Aval0n:

now everytime I see you on justinh

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Aval0n:

I'm gonna send private msged for sex

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Aval0n:

cause I know that's how you roll now lol

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justinh:

the guy was down in the restaurant at breakfast time. with what looked like a wife & kid. so tempted to say something

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justinh:

used to say not to knock anything til trying it but the line is drawn before _that_ :P

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Aval0n:

lol

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sohocoke:

i'm hoping this is still on-topic: I assembled a myth backend to leave at my friend's in the uk and watch recordings over an ssh tunnel with the mythweb flash playback. it works as advertised, except during playback the traffic seems to saturate my friend's upstream bandwidth! ping response time drops continuously until 20000ms, when I gave up. any tips on how i might be able to watch my recordings while not upsetting my friend?

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directhex:

sohocoke, make him install a QoS-capable router?

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iamlindoro:

Holy shit, directhex. I heard you were dead.

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i_is_cat:

:/

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iamlindoro:

</Escape From New York>

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directhex:

iamlindoro, i moved house, & decided that since my mythtv box was offline, i may as well part the channel, to avoid calling people naughty things

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iamlindoro:

Oh but it's so FUN

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directhex:

dear laptop, please wake up. love directhex

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directhex:

i blame windows

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directhex:

for which i blame justdave

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directhex:

justinh,

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directhex:

bah

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directhex:

plus ca change

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iamlindoro:

plus la mÃ©me chose

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i_is_cat:

iamlindoro, you helped me get my irblaster working, any chance you would know why it will only change between channels 2 and 3 on the mythtv system? ;/

[14:51:17]

iamlindoro:

I am just running to work, but my guess would be you had done a channel scan on that tuner instead of fetching the channels from the listings source

[14:51:37]

i_is_cat:

thanks very much i will check that out! have a great day!

[14:51:43]

iamlindoro:

and that it had only found 2 and 3, and thus thinks only those belong to that card, and that all the others belong to some other card

[14:51:54]

iamlindoro:

ok, back online in a bit so you can let me know if I was close

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i_is_cat:

will do :)

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SHADOW__X:

can someone help me with the externel channel changing

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SHADOW__X:

i have a hvr 1800 and analog works but when myth tries to change the channel it just hands but i can use ivtv-tune i created a shell script that will change the channel for me but i have gotten myth to use it the script does work in terminal though

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SHADOW__X:

no one uses the external channel changer

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teprrr:

Dibblah, yes, I know it's a dvb option. just wondering whether it speeds up the lock.. and thanks for the answer :)

[15:56:08]

teprrr:

Dibblah, any other things which may speed-up things?

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teprrr:

changing the tuner/card would be the only one?

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Dibblah:

teprrr: Do you have a log?

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teprrr:

looks like disabling it didn't at least speed-up the change.. takes somewhat like 8 seconds to change a channel

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abqjp:

http://www.hulu.com/dr-horribles-sing-along-blog

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Dibblah:

mythbackend -v channel,record

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Dibblah:

teprrr: Are you on one machine or is it split BE / FE?

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teprrr:

directhex, on one machine yes

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SHADOW__X:

how about external channel changing?

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teprrr:

Dibblah, what I'm supposed to be looking for at those logs?

[16:05:02]

Dibblah:

Timestamps.

[16:05:21]

Dibblah:

Sorry – I missed the answer to seperate backend / frontend?

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teprrr:

ahh, yup, sorry directhex

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teprrr:

Dibblah, both backend and frontend are on the same machine

[16:06:47]

Dibblah:

Not NFS mounted?

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teprrr:

nope

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teprrr:

live recording is being done to tmpfs, if that matters

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Dibblah:

teprrr: I really wouldn't do that.

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Dibblah:

When the ramdrive fills, nasty things will happen.

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leprechau:

brb...

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teprrr:

Dibblah, hmm, I haven't limited the usage of ramdrive here.. and I doubt livetv will use something like over a gigabyte for storing, am I right?

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Dibblah:

Yes, it will.

[16:09:36]

wagnerrp:

ivetv will use up to the length of a single show

[16:09:43]

Dibblah:

It's not a ringbuffer – It stores the entirety of each program before starting a new file.

[16:10:08]

teprrr:

ouch, ok.. :(

[16:10:34]

wagnerrp:

so if youre watching the FX version of The Abyss in digital, you could be looking at 30–40GB

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teprrr:

I made it to be like that to avoid using the harddrive for livetv

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justinh:

just avoid livetv :)

[16:11:30]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i hardly ever use livetv

[16:11:42]

iamlindoro_:

And if you're watching enough live TV to wear out a drive, then you have bigger problems... like morbid obesity.

[16:11:49]

wagnerrp:

i only use mythtv if i know i want to watch

[16:12:13]

wagnerrp:

if im conflicted, its easier to flip through the channels on the tv, and avoid the 2–3s latency in mythtv

[16:12:25]

GreyFoxx:

tep: Myth auto expires livetv shows after 24 hourts

[16:12:33]

GreyFoxx:

or immediately if space is required for a recording

[16:12:43]

GreyFoxx:

livetv "recordings" are always top of the expiring list

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, yeah. I have only 4GB of ram though, so if everything is saved to a disk when watching anything it will cause problems

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wagnerrp:

how so?

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teprrr:

I thought livetv recordings would only record something like 15min at maximum

[16:13:35]

justinh:

only 4GB ram? ONLY? lol

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Sulx:

I'v been using ONLY mythv =)

[16:13:49]

teprrr:

wagnerrp, mm, saved to the ram I mean :)

[16:13:50]

GreyFoxx:

tep: So you are using a ramdisk ?

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SHADOW__X:

hey iamlindoro_ wanna tell what i am doing wrong with my external changing script :) ?

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, I've set ramdisk to be used for livetv storage

[16:14:04]

GreyFoxx:

Ahhh

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SHADOW__X:

or anyone else it should be something stupid

[16:14:11]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah that would not work very well :)

[16:14:29]

teprrr:

hmm, or have I misunderstood the meaning of the livetv? isn't that group used for seeking backwards etc. when watvhing tv?

[16:14:43]

wagnerrp:

correct

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teprrr:

hmm, is there some way to limit how many minutes it'll store? if not, that'd be nice :)

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GreyFoxx:

Yes it is, and if you choose after say 40 minutes that you want to keep the whole show and let it finish recording it you hir Record

[16:15:08]

GreyFoxx:

and it changes the storagegroup info

[16:15:08]

justinh:

patches are nice

[16:15:13]

teprrr:

GreyFoxx, yeah

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wagnerrp:

but it lets you move forward and backward in an entire recording, as well as move the 'recording' over to long term storage

[16:15:14]

GreyFoxx:

and the show doesn't get expired as part of livetv

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black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp is that the same manner as dvd-ram recording where it could record a channel and you can watch any earlier point while it was still recording that, right?

[16:15:57]

teprrr:

justinh, yup, I need to add that to my todo list. I wouldn't mind to use that storage area just for seeking up to 15 mins

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GreyFoxx:

There wer CONSTANT complaints about the livetv ringbuffer back in the day, especially when it came to someone wanting to keep the entiry of the show

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black_Nightmare_:

or did I not understand

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, yup, got it

[16:16:12]

GreyFoxx:

show it was changed

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GreyFoxx:

which brought complaints from another crowd heh

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Dibblah:

teprrr: That was how it used to work.

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wagnerrp:

black_Nightmare_: if your dvd recorder has a sizeable memory cache, or two separate lasers, yes

[16:16:29]

GreyFoxx:

personally I prefer the current method

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black_Nightmare_:

thanks

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teprrr:

aah, hehe, just wondering who would like to save the show after it's been watched, but surely that can be useful too

[16:17:13]

wagnerrp:

except dvdram is only like 2.7GB isnt it?

[16:17:20]

GreyFoxx:

tep: You can even go back hours later and bring it up and change it's group

[16:17:32]

Pete__:

or you're half way through and have to go, it's pretty handy really

[16:17:37]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, yes, understood that now :)

[16:17:50]

GreyFoxx:

though to be honest, LiveTV never happens in my house

[16:18:09]

teprrr:

though I doubt I have any use for it.. or I'd prefer to not to write to the disc actually if it's possible

[16:18:14]

Dibblah:

Now if tmpfs was backable by swap, this might be easier :)

[16:18:22]

cocoa117:

hi, i am new to mythtv, and i am trying to setup mythtv-backend on ubuntu server 8.04. I had trouble to make it pass the database configuration part

[16:18:27]

teprrr:

hmm, it isn't? though I have no swap either

[16:18:45]

wagnerrp:

teprrr: its linear access to the disk, that really does not affect the drive lifespan

[16:18:48]

cocoa117:

i always got error message from mythbackend.log

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teprrr:

what was that another memory fs? ramfs?

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cocoa117:

access denide for user 'mythtv'@'localhost' to database mythconverg

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teprrr:

wagnerrp, ah, I mean mainly not to cause noises caused by that :)

[16:19:33]

cocoa117:

anyone know how to solve it?

[16:19:45]

wagnerrp:

well, again linear access, so disk seek will be minimized

[16:19:58]

Pete__:

I've got a slight modification on my question from last night.. with multiple cards an multiple video sources, when browsing channels with the OSD in live tv, why are channels from the current card shown? Surely per video source would make more sense.

[16:20:08]

wagnerrp:

and on modern drives, youre not going to hear a hard drive over a playing TV anyway

[16:20:11]

Pete__:

only shown*

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Sulx:

anyone builded trunk mythplugins recently?

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GreyFoxx:

suix: Mine are from like 2 maybe 3 days ago

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wagnerrp:

Pete__: well one card has access to the entire video source, so i dont know what youre asking

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wagnerrp:

cocoa117: did you set up permissions in the sql server?

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teprrr:

wagnerrp, yup, it still keeps some noise though

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teprrr:

perhaps I look into that, perhaps not.. time will tell

[16:22:07]

Pete__:

well with a motorised dish setup for example it'd make more sense to browse by video source so the dish doesn't have to move between channels

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cocoa117:

wagnerrp, yes, at least i think so, from phpmyadmin

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cocoa117:

is that what you talking about? wagneerp

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teprrr:

but zapping from a channel to another could be faster.. no idea why that's so slow

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teprrr:

or is it just that the tuner is sucky

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justinh:

not zapping is even faster

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Sulx:

GreyFoxx: what ver

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GreyFoxx:

It's definately per user dependant

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GreyFoxx:

tepr: My channel changes both PVR analog, and dvb are 1second , some are like 10

[16:23:52]

wagnerrp:

cocoa117: you should have sone something like "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'localhost' identified by 'mythtv'"

[16:23:57]

justinh:

channel changing speed depends on a variety of factors including the tuner, how long it takes for dvb tuners to get a lock & start streaming valid data...

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea what that would look like in phpmyadmin

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GreyFoxx:

sulx: sulx: 17946 pulled on Saturday

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, yup, I'm having something like 6–8 secs

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** GreyFoxx really needs to get off his butt **

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teprrr:

I recall having faster changes earlier, but can't say for sure

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Sulx:

GreyFoxx: ok...17964 didn't work =)

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teprrr:

justinh, yup

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justinh:

the big rub is the timeshifting. so other tv apps change channels faster, but they don't let you rewind livetv

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GreyFoxx:

I think I know why some are having longer changes but haven't spent the time to fix it

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black_Nightmare_:

sorry had to afk for a moment

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wagnerrp:

Pete__: one tuner IS one video source, so splitting by video source would be exactly the same

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teprrr:

btw, mythtv doesn't record the whole multiplex or anything like that?

[16:25:22]

wagnerrp:

but youre saying you would like to split it by source satellite?

[16:25:23]

justinh:

FWIW, most folks here will just advise you to spend more time looking in the EPG & setting up recordings

[16:25:34]

GreyFoxx:

tepp: Only if you use multirec and are recording multiple channels from the same multiplex

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teprrr:

just wondering whether zapping inside the same multiplex should be faster

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justinh:

teprrr: it doesn't record the whole mux, no

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teprrr:

yup, ok

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wagnerrp:

so you dont have to wait the 5–10s to retrack while flipping through channels

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justinh:

though you can record more than one thing from the same mux with only one tuner

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black_Nightmare_:

and wagnerrp dvd-ram is actually in different capacity generations .. but there's 12x double-sided 9.4GB discs at many suppliers

[16:26:29]

black_Nightmare_:

first dvd-ram was single-side 2.58gb tho

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Pete__:

wagnerrp: I have each satellite setup as a different video source hoping that how it did work. It's not really the wait, it's just the fact the motor would be working far more than is really needed

[16:26:47]

justinh:

teprrr: livetv definitely knows the next channel is on the same mux & acts differently though – but that never made any discernable difference here

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black_Nightmare_:

(well ok there's also 16x too but finding the disc and supportable burner for that speed is a bit difficult)

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teprrr:

justinh, I see.. hmh

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GreyFoxx:

tepp: Running trunk ?

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wagnerrp:

well like i said, each tuner card is only one video source

[16:27:49]

wagnerrp:

so splitting it that way should work fine

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justinh:

we often reiterate the same point over & over here that mythtv is really mostly about freeing yourself from the shackles of schedules & spending your free time much more productively instead of being a couch potato grazing crap

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wagnerrp:

except you would have to let mythtv know that it cannot record from more than one tuner at once

[16:28:15]

justinh:

but hey if folks want to waste their lives, that's up to them :)

[16:28:24]

Hexxeh:

Hello

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Hexxeh:

Are there any reccomended or minimum requirements for the backend box with MythTV?

[16:28:56]

black_Nightmare_:

hexxeh depends on so many different factors

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Pete__:

I think I achieved that by defining them all in the same group (where you link the card to a video source)

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justinh:

Hexxeh: depends what kind of tuner cards you plan to use & what you aim to do with your recordings

[16:29:20]

Hexxeh:

I have a dual DVB-T tuner, NovaT-500-MCE, and since all MythTV has to do is dump the MPEG2 stream off the card and save it, the requirements should be lower, right?

[16:29:31]

black_Nightmare_:

hexxeh to start with: what kind of format do you want record in, the tv tuner you're using, if you want to play games as well, and so on

[16:29:45]

Hexxeh:

I'd just like to be able to record and watch TV

[16:29:50]

teprrr:

actually, the locking happens pretty quickly

[16:29:52]

justinh:

Hexxeh: I got away with 3 tuners in a crappy 800Mhz athlon box with 512MB RAM

[16:29:58]

teprrr:

but it takes some time to start showing the picture

[16:30:15]

GreyFoxx:

teprr: If you are running trunk, and want to try and experiment

[16:30:21]

Hexxeh:

Ahh, well my box is a Sempron 2200+ clocked at 1.5ghz, with 768mb, so that sounds like I'll be okay

[16:30:24]

wagnerrp:

weee! hard drive dock came in the mail

[16:30:25]

justinh:

they don't come much slower/crapper than that :)

[16:30:35]

GreyFoxx:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1086213

[16:30:48]

Hexxeh:

haha, yeahh

[16:31:17]

GreyFoxx:

teprr: I'd almost bet that little patch makes quite a difference

[16:31:50]

justinh:

heheh the font caching stuff?

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, that was on 0.21-fixes, but let me try that patch on the trunk installation

[16:32:06]

GreyFoxx:

tepp: That patch is the same for -fixes, just might be a few lines off

[16:32:25]

GreyFoxx:

just: That one I just pasted disabled the CC font initialization code

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justinh:

GreyFoxx: I'd be tempted to put a setting in for that, or else a whatif based on real factors

[16:32:52]

GreyFoxx:

I think that what we are rujnning into a lot is A: we shouldn't be loading each of those each time, and B: some distros install of libttf is really really slow

[16:33:05]

GreyFoxx:

It made a MASSIVE difference on my msntv2's

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GreyFoxx:

like changes of 10 seconds dropped to 4

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Pete__:

I don't suppose there is an option buried somewhere to show all channels from all cards when browsing with live tv?

[16:33:21]

justinh:

ahh hence the disparity between so many people's playback start times too

[16:33:28]

GreyFoxx:

justin: yeah

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justinh:

smart

[16:33:45]

GreyFoxx:

I want to rewrite that altogether

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justinh:

that's one of the things that bothers me so it might be the next thing I attack – until you just said that

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justinh:

:P

[16:34:10]

GreyFoxx:

heh

[16:34:40]

justinh:

well, here's me hacking my frontend soon :)

[16:34:59]

GreyFoxx:

just: a coworker of mine installed a new version of the ttfont libs, over top of what I had installed for him, his channel changes started taking a LOT longer

[16:35:20]

GreyFoxx:

we reverted back to the base slackware package and his channel change went back to normal

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GreyFoxx:

So I think just rewriting it so we don't preload all of those and only load them on demand should fix up a lot of people in the same situation

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black_Nightmare_:

quick question but can you configure mythtv to go like [tuner1]1>>>140>[tuner2]1>>>60>*loop* for a single dual-tuner card or its not quite workable that way?

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iamlindoro_:

cat /dev/black_Nightmare_ > /dev/English_Composition_Class

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, hmm. not noticably faster at least..

[16:37:21]

wagnerrp:

so the big question, what should i format this thing as

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GreyFoxx:

teprr: Ok. On the ones I've tested it on which had a long lag it was pretty significant

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wagnerrp:

ive got windows, linux, and freebsd machines that might be recovering off it

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wagnerrp:

and none of them have any common filesystems beyond fat32

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, started to wonder that the lag isn't at least about the locking.. as it happens almost immediately

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GreyFoxx:

I'll patch it anyway :)

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teprrr:

but the picture will follow much later

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teprrr:

GreyFoxx, okies

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wagnerrp:

i suppose everything at least has NTFS read access

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clever:

even dos!

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black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp well I know that windows can be made to read/write ext3 and perhaps a few others too but otherwise yeah I guess its just fat32

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black_Nightmare_:

clever heh :p

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wagnerrp:

windows can read/write ext3, but my primary systems are windows and freebsd

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clever:

black_Nightmare_: i had a exe i could run in dos that would make the ntfs volumes readable like any other

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clever:

i forget where i found it

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wagnerrp:

i honestly could care less about linux

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wagnerrp:

*couldn't

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black_Nightmare_:

clever actually I think it might had been this one which had been the most suggested one as far as I can remember: http://www.ntfs.com/products.htm (near bottom of page)

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black_Nightmare_:

either way I thought I would draw this up just for fun now: http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7217/draftplanuv2.png (note: thats a hvr-1600 pci for mythtv) .. the laptop is only a 10" one so thats why its plugged in to the tv as to share recent holiday photos with others etc

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wagnerrp:

that worked surprisingly well

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wagnerrp:

although the drive isnt listed in the 'remote hardware' thing

[16:51:43]

wagnerrp:

and the system hangs for a few seconds after connection

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wagnerrp:

is that normal for eSATA drives?

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black_Nightmare_:

hm and with that I'm going off for a while now

[16:52:02]

black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp sorry no idea here :/

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black_Nightmare_:

bye

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clever:

wagnerrp: i get the same thing when i rip out the hdd/cddrive in the bay on my laptop

[16:53:00]

clever:

about all i can think of to make it safer is to umount && sync && put it to sleep with hdparm

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wagnerrp:

clever: my starts beeping, with the meaning of 'you dumbshit, youre support to go into standby first'

[16:53:36]

wagnerrp:

and this is windows

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clever:

lol

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clever:

lol!

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dgibbons:

Is there a command line way to refresh the videos mythtv is aware of in my video folder?

[16:54:08]

clever:

windows has proper options for removing my cd/hdd in the bay

[16:54:13]

GreyFoxx:

dg: no

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dgibbons:

Why not :(

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GreyFoxx:

I could say why ? :)

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wagnerrp:

that was an oddly phrased statement

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tank-man:

maybe he has a podcast of videos he downloads

[16:55:38]

GreyFoxx:

Still, you don't NEED to use the video manager if you aren't looking to fill in meta data

[16:55:45]

GreyFoxx:

just set it to browse the files

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GreyFoxx:

then it rads the directory list each time

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dgibbons:

hrm, it didn't appear to be doing that, maybe i just didn't notice the behavior

[16:56:34]

gbee:

the option will probably be there in 0.22, lot of stuff has changed in mythvideo

[16:56:39]

GreyFoxx:

dgib: It's a config option

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dgibbons:

ah that would be why..

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GreyFoxx:

I expect auto updating background scans to be very diff in 0.22 for music, videos and mythgames

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clever:

GreyFoxx: inotify posibly?

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GreyFoxx:

I don't see the need really

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clever:

it would make it alot better then polling

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GreyFoxx:

but I think there might even be a patch in a ticket to use it alrady

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clever:

lol

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clever:

i'll search later

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GreyFoxx:

From a couple years ago

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sphery:

gbee: interesting (and very colorful) e-mail

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GreyFoxx:

so it's a low number

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gbee:

sphery: you've lost me

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: I'm working on a patch to automatically scan the recordings directories for video files that aren't in the DB. My plan was to do it daily as part of housekeeping and provide a "scan now" option.

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sphery:

gbee: The mail to the -dev list in response to jpabq's question seems to have gone through as HTML + text and the HTML version seems to have "misspelled" (unidentified) words highlighted in red.

[17:02:14]

gbee:

sphery: ok, that's very weird

[17:02:26]

sphery:

but, other than that, the info was interesting and I'm looking forward to the change

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gbee:

html email is completely disabled on my client

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wagnerrp:

65MB/s, trailing to 35MB/s

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wagnerrp:

not bad, far better than USB

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wagnerrp:

126.3MB/s burst

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Er1K:

I'm running the multiproto.5 patch against release-0-21-fixes with a tt-s2–3200 pointed at dish network (north america) and I get a good signal lock, but the channel scan always comes back with a 'no tables' message

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iamlindoro_:

There are so many things wrong with that, I don't even know where to start

[17:05:30]

iamlindoro_:

First off, you've just removed all chance of your getting help because we won't help you steal dish network

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: Anyway, was wondering if you had a better plan for the scanning. Makes sense to keep the MythTV (recordings), MythMusic, MythVideo, MythGames, etc. functionality similar.

[17:05:55]

iamlindoro_:

Second off, your regular S2 card won't handle Dish networks fscked up FEC anyway, so don't even try

[17:06:11]

sphery:

Unfortunately, until the plugins are mod'ed to use Storage Groups, we can't just use a library function for it...

[17:06:23]

iamlindoro_:

Third off, we don't support multiproto patches of myth patched with said patchs

[17:06:26]

iamlindoro_:

patches, that is

[17:06:40]

iamlindoro_:

And finally, Plllllllbbbbbbbbbbt :P

[17:07:07]

** iamlindoro_ bows and stomps offstage. **

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wagnerrp:

oh no, hes been jammed

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wagnerrp:

LONESTAR!!!

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iamlindoro_:

Only one man would give me the raspberry....

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gbee:

hehe

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Er1K:

iamlindoro: I'm tuning the FTA channels on the dish birds, nothing illegal whatsoever.

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iamlindoro_:

If that were so, then you would get lock

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iamlindoro_:

so don't lie

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iamlindoro_:

you will ONLY get the no tables thing while getting good lock if trying to tune the Turbo-FEC Dish network stuff

[17:11:40]

iamlindoro_:

If you were trying to tune the regular FTA stuff, it would work just fine.

[17:11:47]

iamlindoro_:

lie exposed, NEXT!

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iamlindoro_:

Oh baby, I could never stay mad at you.

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iamlindoro_:

;)

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Er1K:

iamlindoro: I couldn't get a lock on the turbo-fec tps if my life depended on it, it's theoretically impossible with my card, so I really think you should watch the accusations. You've made several about me that are utterly false. I believe my problem is related to the uncorrected block count code, as that is what the messages would indicate.

[17:14:17]

iamlindoro_:

Yes dear

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, nobody's going to help you with multiproto patched myth anyway, and I won't waste my time exposing your theft/lies

[17:14:55]

iamlindoro_:

I wonder what's for dinner.

[17:16:38]

wagnerrp:

does windows write disks from the inner track, outwards?

[17:17:01]

iamlindoro_:

CD media? Yeah.

[17:17:16]

wagnerrp:

hard disks

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wagnerrp:

im copying data over to the drive, and im watching network usage start at 30MB/s and slowly accelerate

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iamlindoro_:

I believe so-- makes the most sense

[17:17:43]

trontonic:

Hi, I have a computer with a TV-card + a TV-screen and no graphics card. Is it possible to use MythTV on that computer by installing it on another disk first?

[17:18:05]

gbee:

used to at least, but at that time it didn't do a very efficient job of it

[17:18:09]

wagnerrp:

you have no graphics card, how do you plan to use mythtv

[17:18:22]

SHADOW__X:

so anyone wanna help me sort out my channel changing issue

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wagnerrp:

trontonic: you have no graphics card, how do you plan to use mythtv

[17:20:14]

iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: You said you get hard locks or something when you attempt a channel change w/ script in myth?

[17:20:53]

SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ if i use the script in terminal it works but i dont know if its working in mythtv

[17:20:57]

wagnerrp:

the script just isnt running

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wagnerrp:

or isnt running properly

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

mythtv hangs there until he manually changes the channel

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SHADOW__X:

how can i know whats the issue

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gbee:

trontonic: PVR-350? It has been supported in the past, but that support gets broken frequently because few people and no developers have the card or use the tv-out functionality

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: well, backend log will tell you if the script exits abnormally, what behavior are you seeing when attempting to use it in myth?

[17:21:56]

SHADOW__X:

well when i goto that tuner whatever channel it was on before shwos and guide data or current channel info doesnt come up

[17:21:58]

trontonic:

gbee: no, it's some other brand, but thanks :)

[17:22:20]

SHADOW__X:

if i change the chanel it will just hang there but while it hangs if i change the channel using the script it works

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: when you added the script in mythtv-setup, did you set the absolute path? ie, External Channel Change: /usr/bin/iamlindoro_is_sexy.sh?

[17:22:30]

trontonic:

wagnerrp: true...

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SHADOW__X:

yup

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sphery:

SHADOW__X: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/343384#343384 ? (good luck figuring out the flow thanks to the top + bottom posting)

[17:22:50]

PatrickDK:

what a strange name to give a script

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wagnerrp:

trontonic: the pvr-350 has a video output (as well as the normal video inputs), youre going to need something to output

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: Before getting too out of hand, I would attempt a channel change while tail -f'ing the backend log, to see what it says

[17:23:08]

PatrickDK:

everytime you run that iamlindoro, it outputs "bullshit"?

[17:23:13]

gbee:

well same deal really, no-one really uses those cards anymore and since they use framebuffers they aren't very efficient – lack 2D hardware acceleration etc

[17:23:15]

sphery:

SHADOW__X: that's only on trunk, though

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trontonic:

wagnerrp: I agree. I thought that if I have TV-out, it won't be a problem, but of course it will. I didn't think. Thanks :)

[17:23:27]

iamlindoro_:

PatrickDK: It's just an alias to my new MythFellatio plugin

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wagnerrp:

mythtv now gives blowjobs?

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iamlindoro_:

I'm keeping it closed source

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wagnerrp:

youre sitting on a gold mine, you could make a fortune

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iamlindoro_:

If everyone starts using it, you never know what you might catch

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wagnerrp:

new meaning to the term 'computer virus'

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kali67:

hello, I'm using pchdtv 5500 on Etch with MythTV to record shows . The problem is that some channels work well while others have no audio

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iamlindoro_:

Wow, that was REALLY impatient :)

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: Are you using both the analog and digital sides of the card?

[17:27:58]

iamlindoro_:

ie, let me guess, the digital channels work fine, and analog ones have no audio

[17:28:31]

kali67:

no, I'm trying to record HD channels

[17:29:05]

kali67:

getatsc > abc.ts and then watching the Ts gives me both audio and video

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wagnerrp:

my guess is a codec issue

[17:30:12]

kali67:

iamlindoro: also, how do you distinguish between analog and digital channels

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kali67:

wagnerrp: codec issue ? how so ? the other channels work fine

[17:31:07]

wagnerrp:

those channels use a different audio format

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: If you have to ask, you're not using the analog side of the card :)

[17:31:27]

iamlindoro_:

All ATSC *should* be AC3 audio, so if some works, all should

[17:31:36]

wagnerrp:

thats the ONLY thing i can think of, unless those channels are in fact not broadcasting audio

[17:32:42]

iamlindoro_:

I would capture a channel that does not work, and do ffmpeg -i yourcapturedfile.mpg

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iamlindoro_:

and see if it shows an audio track

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kali67:

iamlindoro: I know I'm not using the analog side because I did not configure the cards . I only did the dvb portion of it. But looking at a station, how does one know if it broadcasting analog or digital ?

[17:33:20]

iamlindoro_:

kali67: If you're only using the DVB interface, they're *all* digital

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wagnerrp:

if its only 480i resolution, theres a good chance its just the analog stream sent over digital, but its still digital

[17:35:02]

SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ http://pastebin.com/d7a2997b8

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SHADOW__X:

thats what the backend says

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iamlindoro_:

Erm, that looks unhappy

[17:37:10]

iamlindoro_:

I am just guessing, but I would wager the HVR-1800 might not have all the v4l2 controls Myth expects it to have, and that might be the issue here

[17:37:47]

kali67:

iamlindoro: ffmpeg -i shows presence of audio and video

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: That's not the only thing I am concerned about, pastebin the ffmpeg output please

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kali67:

iamlindoro: http://pastebin.com/d3cdba0c8

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iamlindoro_:

ok, now the same with a recording whose audio plays properly please

[17:43:17]

kali67:

iamlindoro: this one works – http://pastebin.com/m4fafb079

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: Ok, what try of audio output are you using? AC3 passthrough, or some sort of analog out?

[17:44:45]

kali67:

I tried playing it in MythFrontend and then through vlc

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iamlindoro_:

uhh....

[17:45:01]

iamlindoro_:

and what about my question?

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ is there anything i can do to make it work using ivtv-tune it changes the channel

[17:45:23]

iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: no idea

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kali67:

iamlindoro: I don't know :(

[17:45:40]

SHADOW__X:

hmm mkrufky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you got me all excited

[17:45:51]

iamlindoro_:

kali67: You *should* know, is your audio output digital or analog?

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SHADOW__X:

it got it working now blamo i can watch a channel i change myself

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: If the recordings won't work in VLC either, then you probably have some ALSA configuration issue. I am going to do out on a limb and guess if the program is 5.1 channel audio, it will be working fine, and stereo will not. Just a guess based on those two pastebins, however.

[17:47:22]

iamlindoro_:

er go out on a limb

[17:48:15]

iamlindoro_:

If it works in VLC but not in myth, then that's a different story with different possible remedies... but if both fail, then it's not a myth issue, really.

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kali67:

iamlindoro: oh, so it is a client configuration issue ? ! I have been testing the recorded files on a VLC on a Mac

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: you are not giving me the information I ask for

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iamlindoro_:

please stop jumping ahead

[17:49:04]

kali67:

iamlindoro: Yes both are failing

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iamlindoro_:

If that's so, and if the VLC client is on a machine totally seperate from your myth box, I would say there is something wrong with the streams

[17:50:06]

iamlindoro_:

The tuner just dumps what the broadcaster provides, it doesn't do any manipulation of the streams

[17:50:20]

kali67:

iamlindoro: yes, the vlc client is separate And on a different box than the Myth box

[17:50:35]

iamlindoro_:

so if two separate machines fail playing back the audio, and one of them is VLC on a mac, where it should work out of the box, then the problem may well lie with your broadcaster

[17:51:23]

kali67:

iamlindoro: The problem is these channels are CBS and ABC

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iamlindoro_:

kali67: So?

[17:52:10]

iamlindoro_:

kali67: They're still locally encapsulated and broadcast, it's not like we all get the same stream around the country

[17:52:41]

kali67:

iamlindoro: I'm a little hesistant to go down the path that the broadcast stream is wrong

[17:52:56]

iamlindoro_:

your hesitance has little bearing on facts :)

[17:53:28]

kali67:

iamlindoro: because on the same channel , I can do getatsc > abc.ts and it works

[17:54:06]

kali67:

iamlindoro: the following works – getatsc -dvb 0 29 >cbs.ts

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kali67:

iamlindoro: here's the ffmpeg of it – http://pastebin.com/d11864539

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iamlindoro_:

dunno what to tell you

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iamlindoro_:

If that's so, then something about the container produced by myth w/ your channels might be screwy, but that's above my pay grade

[17:57:40]

SHADOW__X:

mythtv no likey to change channels for me

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kali67:

iamlindoro: you have been very helpful

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ in the externel channelchange i have /usr/ocal/bin/analog.sh and the next line preset channel to blank

[17:58:22]

SHADOW__X:

is that correct

[17:58:58]

iamlindoro_:

kali67: I have some suspicions about myth's transport stream dumping that I'm still trying to work out, but I don't *think* that would have a bearing here... might be worth running mythbackend -v all and see what happens when you try to record on a non functional channel

[17:59:17]

iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: yes, that would be correct

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kali67:

iamlindoro :ok, thanks, I can try that

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ why didnt the script run when i changed the channel it only gave me errors about the tuner

[18:07:19]

iamlindoro_:

dunno, probably failed on something before that

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XLV:

woot.. i purchased today a 40" 1080p lcd tv... samsung tulip le40m86b or something like that.. 15000:1 contrast.. for only 800 euro... now we'll see how this pos x2 3800 can handle 1080p ;-)

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wagnerrp:

aww... there was another set of m100s on woot

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wagnerrp:

i missed it

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SHADOW__X:

is it normal that when you are recording off of a multiplex and you a re watching another hcannel on said multiplex that at about every 3 secounds the video stutters

[18:13:49]

SHADOW__X:

but audio is fine

[18:14:49]

SHADOW__X:

but using another tuner to tune to that channel its f ine

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wagnerrp:

i love when people improperly scale videos...

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SHADOW__X:

well hello mkrufky

[18:16:04]

SHADOW__X:

how are you doing thihs lovely eveing

[18:16:10]

mkrufky:

beware the grouch that lives in my head

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wagnerrp:

isnt .mkv supposed to be able to force an aspect ratio?

[18:16:43]

mkrufky:

...that answers the question, right?

[18:16:50]

SHADOW__X:

kinda

[18:17:07]

SHADOW__X:

just let me know when i can ask my question

[18:17:17]

SHADOW__X:

D and analog is still working so its not that

[18:17:23]

SHADOW__X:

but it does have to do with that

[18:17:52]

mkrufky:

ask your question anytime

[18:17:55]

mkrufky:

dont ask me directlky

[18:18:06]

mkrufky:

if i have something to say, i'll say it

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SHADOW__X:

well analog on my hvr 1800 works by using mplayer and cat when i go to that tuner in mythtv whatever channel it was on works but the overlayed channel info doesnt have any channel info on it and when i try and change a channel it hangs but while its hanging i can change the channel using ivtv-tune it works but mythtv still doesnt know what channel its on

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SHADOW__X:

i made a script to change the channel but that doesnt work either

[18:20:13]

SHADOW__X:

although the script works in terminal

[18:20:38]

PatrickDK:

script isn't run as root?

[18:21:06]

SHADOW__X:

when i run the script in terminal it isnt run as root

[18:21:44]

SHADOW__X:

PatrickDK: are you saying change permissions to everyone

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PatrickDK:

I have no idea

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PatrickDK:

normally it's cause your script wouldn't have access to write to /dev/something

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clever_:

run 'id' in the script

[18:22:34]

clever_:

it will spew your uid and groups

[18:22:44]

clever_:

now compare to what it spews when mythbackend runs it

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SHADOW__X:

i can make it for everyone

[18:23:07]

clever_:

uid=119(mythtv) gid=119(mythtv) groups=24(cdrom),29(audio),44(video),46(plugdev),119(mythtv)

[18:23:43]

clever_:

audio is the normal group for stuff like /dev/dsp and im also abusing it as the shared read perm for music

[18:24:09]

clever_:

video i beleive is for /dev/video and again im abusing it to give read perms to videos

[18:24:40]

SHADOW__X:

i chmodded it to 777

[18:24:51]

clever_:

lol

[18:24:52]

SHADOW__X:

and i figured out my 3 secound lag issue that was vnc

[18:25:00]

SHADOW__X:

everyone can run it

[18:25:00]

SHADOW__X:

yay

[18:25:07]

clever_:

SHADOW__X: yes most vnc modes will suck tons of cpu

[18:25:17]

SHADOW__X:

hmm yeah

[18:25:23]

clever_:

im using a special Xvnc4 server on my system

[18:25:35]

clever_:

it makes a totaly seperate X at :1 for ONLY vnc use

[18:25:49]

clever_:

its got alot less lag but cant show me whats on the tvout

[18:26:23]

clever_:

im mainly using it for a gui dl program but i sometimes throw mythtv-setup in there to remotely admin something

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SHADOW__X:

my frined had vnc setup to give you a login window on a sep x server and i would like to do the same on another machine but he doesnt remember the tut he followed

[18:27:06]

clever_:

ive done that also

[18:27:14]

clever_:

instead of just loging right in with gnome-session in there

[18:27:20]

clever_:

you can use soemthing like xdm

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SHADOW__X:

how do you set that up clever_

[18:27:44]

clever_:

cat /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers |grep -v \#

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clever_:

:0 local /usr/bin/Xvnc4 :0 -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 -dpi 100 passwordfile=/home/clever/.vnc/passwd -extension XFIXES

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clever_:

that line tells xdm to run '/usr/bin/Xvnc4 :0 -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 -dpi 100 passwordfile=/home/clever/.vnc/passwd -extension XFIXES'

[18:28:02]

clever_:

to make its X server

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clever_:

just install xdm and fix the path to the vnc passwd file

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[18:28:46]

SHADOW__X:

seems pretty straight forward

[18:28:57]

clever_:

i adapted it from a colinux tut

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SHADOW__X:

ah

[18:29:14]

clever_:

colinux cant run a real Xorg on the vid card

[18:29:27]

clever_:

and for those who dont want to use xming, you can use this setup

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SHADOW__X:

ah o

[18:29:49]

clever_:

but its nothing special to colinux

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devsforev:

Greetings Everyone. I was just able to set up my two tuner PVR-500. One tuner is standard cable chans 2–78 and the other is digital cable chans 2–150. It works great, but there are duplicate entries in my program guide. Is there a way to get rid of the entries for standard cable but still use that tuner?

[18:30:08]

** PatrickDK is just feeling so high today **

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clever_:

i beleive 100% of the work is done in userspace so it wont realy even care what kernel/drivers you have

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

[18:31:21]

clever_:

also the vnc you login to will basicaly have 2 passwords

[18:31:31]

clever_:

1 to get into the session and then your normal name/pw

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cocoa117:

hi, i am trying to run mythtvplayer 0.5.0 on Windows, and it said it need to use myth protocol 15 or 31 but my backend using 40. How can i set in my config file to force it use protocol 40?

[18:31:44]

clever_:

and if you disconnect some1 could allways vnc back in to your session

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devsforev:

when I scroll up in the quick-menu OSD, it doesn't show duplicates but in the guide it does

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sphery:

cocoa117: Update the program (=fix the source code and recompile) to work with the new protocol version. Any other approach could quite possibly destroy your database (i.e. the data in the database schema).

[18:33:19]

SHADOW__X:

cocoa117: first this chan doesnt support mythtvplayer secound .5 is beta and 3rd read the site that youdownloaded that blidnly offof

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sphery:

cocoa117: probably better off using some form of UPnP client

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justinh:

SHADOW__X: not doesn't support – more like can't support ;)

[18:34:49]

SHADOW__X:

eh close enough justinh

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** sphery wonders if 0.21 is beta... **

[18:35:09]

SHADOW__X:

cocoa117: go into the config fill and force it

[18:35:31]

SHADOW__X:

cocoa117: READ the next time you download a beta and scroll down the page you download off of

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cocoa117:

shadow__x

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cocoa117:

:)

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cocoa117:

i will try

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justinh:

lol somebody ported mythtvplayer to linux

[18:38:29]

justinh:

http://www.sudu.dk/mythtvplayer/forum/thread/126

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sphery:

wow, now they can just update it to use gloss and we'll have the perfect Myth frontend...

[18:39:29]

AndyCap:

so 0.4.2 is newer than 0.5? I hope he typoed it.

[18:39:58]

cocoa117:

justinh, thanx

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wagnerrp:

i thought gloss used some funky opengl library

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SHADOW__X:

.4.2 is stable /5 beta

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iamlindoro_:

Holy cow, for the first time ever someone on the -users list suggested a machine to be a small frontend that is a) actually a computer and b) actually has hardware to be useful

[18:41:13]

cocoa117:

shadow__x, i want to view livetv on Windows client

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cocoa117:

that's why trying 0.5.0

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: i was actually called away for a meeting

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mkrufky:

sorry for lack of response

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SHADOW__X:

dude i understand

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SHADOW__X:

i appreciate you not ripping my head off

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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mkrufky:

oof

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mkrufky:

am i that bad?

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mkrufky:

:-P

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SHADOW__X:

nah i am messing around

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mkrufky:

cool

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teprrr:

has anyone been able to download channel icons with mythtv-setup's channelscanner on 0.21-fixes branch?

[18:47:23]

teprrr:

or erm, I mean been able to get them shown in mythtv and in the epg of course

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SHADOW__X:

so mkrufky what do you think a bout my analog issue

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teprrr:

they're downloaded just fine, just not shown for reason or another :P

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sphery:

teprrr: last I heard the GUI icon downloader was broken and you need to use the command-line icon grabber ( contrib/icons/master_iconmap/channel_icons.pl , IIRC)

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: sounds like it has nothing to do with the driver nor the hardware

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mkrufky:

SHADOW__X: i am not a mythtv developer

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teprrr:

sphery, mmkay, I'll try and look if I'm able to fix it for trunk.. the downloading works ok, the icon location is set to it's lineedit ok, but it isn't displayed anywhere afterwards

[18:59:40]

teprrr:

contents of that lineedit doesn't get saved for reason or another.. oh well :)

[18:59:43]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

alright thanks mkrufky now to find a mythtv developer

[18:59:59]

SHADOW__X:

any of themz here

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sphery:

teprrr: Sounds good. Some general info: the icons need to be available "locally" on all frontends to appear in the EPG, so generally you'd either copy the dir from the backend or share it.

[19:00:36]

teprrr:

sphery, I'm running backend&frontend on the same machine, so they're available locally at least for me :P

[19:00:47]

sphery:

that works, too :)

[19:00:56]

teprrr:

sphery, and hmm. they're shown in mythweb even when it's accessed remotely :)

[19:01:18]

sphery:

this is -fixes you're on, now? It's not the editable combobox issue preventing the saving?

[19:01:46]

teprrr:

on -fixes yes, looks like lineedit instead of a combobox

[19:01:58]

sphery:

teprrr: yeah, MythWeb requests the icons through MythXML, so it copies them locally (to data/cache under the app root)

[19:02:28]

teprrr:

ye

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sphery:

If you do fix that, though, a lot of users will be happy (and, fixed on -fixes, it will actually be available to them soon). :)

[19:03:26]

SHADOW__X:

so should i forge over to mythtv-dev

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sphery:

SHADOW__X: better to ask your question here again and see if any of the devs are paying attention (unless you have a patch you need to discuss with the devs :)

[19:05:45]

SHADOW__X:

mythtv is trying to change the chanel incorectily and forces it to have i wrote a script that works and changes the channel using ivtv-tune but the mythbackend logs show t hat it errors out before it even attempts the script

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teprrr:

sphery, ye, will take a look at it. it's broken in trunk too

[19:07:12]

sphery:

SHADOW__X: got a section of the logs to pastebin?

[19:07:20]

SHADOW__X:

sure

[19:08:11]

SHADOW__X:

http://pastebin.com/d7a2997b8

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SHADOW__X:

sound good

[19:10:40]

sphery:

I know nothing of the HVR-1800, but I know Myth makes some assumptions about cards set up with the "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)". It probably just hasn't been updated to support that card, yet.

[19:11:08]

sphery:

feel like doing up a patch? ;)

[19:11:18]

loki_666:

hi

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SHADOW__X:

uh sure if i knew what i was doing

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AndyCap:

does the HVR-1800 actually do mpeg encoding of analog, or is it a DVB-card + framegrabber for analog?

[19:12:53]

SHADOW__X:

whoa whoa its actually mpeg encoding

[19:13:02]

SHADOW__X:

thats why it equals awesome

[19:13:08]

sphery:

Well, it's giving the "Not ivtv driver??" error, but I assumed that someone setting it up as a PVR-x50/PVR-500 knew better than me (i.e. that it was using the ivtv driver)

[19:13:37]

SHADOW__X:

it uses teh v4l-dvb driver

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sphery:

If it's not using the ivtv driver, you cannot make it work with, "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)"

[19:14:17]

SHADOW__X:

why not

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SHADOW__X:

:(

[19:14:31]

SHADOW__X:

it has an mpeg encoder how would i set it up then

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sphery:

sounds like a frame grabber (for analog) and digital capture card (for already-encoded-as-MPEG-2 digital broadcasts)

[19:14:47]

AndyCap:

sphery: nah, the homepage says hardware mpeg2 for analog.

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PatrickDK:

no, it outputs some mpeg compatable thing

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PatrickDK:

I forget how to set it up exactly

[19:15:17]

sphery:

SHADOW__X: the "MPEG-2 encoder card (PVR-x50, PVR-500)" is basically an ivtv-only option.

[19:15:34]

PatrickDK:

I think you set it up like a framegrabber

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SHADOW__X:

hmm will it work like that

[19:15:44]

SHADOW__X:

?

[19:15:50]

sphery:

It's not a MJPEG capture card (Matrox G200, DC10)?

[19:15:54]

AndyCap:

hmm, it uses dvb. does it have some weird hack for making dvb do analog

[19:16:04]

SHADOW__X:

what

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SHADOW__X:

it has an analog tuner

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sphery:

MJPEG capture is the only other hardware encoder card type we have

[19:16:41]

sphery:

anything else and you'll probably need to write a new encoder type so Myth will support it.

[19:16:48]

SHADOW__X:

oh ok

[19:16:52]

SHADOW__X:

since i know how to do that

[19:16:52]

sphery:

Other option may be to have VLC "broadcast" an IPTV stream.

[19:17:03]

PatrickDK:

iamlindoro said it was possible, I didn't go into details on how it was possible :)

[19:17:22]

SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ how is it possible learn me something

[19:17:47]

iamlindoro_:

Is there a way I can answer that question without reading the scrollback and finding out what we're talking about?

[19:17:47]

PatrickDK:

maybe he fell into the ocean, I hear they had a quake

[19:17:55]

iamlindoro_:

yes

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iamlindoro_:

no

[19:17:57]

iamlindoro_:

maybe

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PatrickDK:

making a pvr-1800 work

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PatrickDK:

on analog

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SHADOW__X:

its a mpeg encoder but aparently to use that option in mythtv you need to have a ivtv driver

[19:19:18]

AndyCap:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Cx18

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Multiple . . . ngs_with_VLC (ignoring the multiple-channels on a multiplex part of it) gives a bit of a description about setting up VLC to stream to Myth.

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iamlindoro_:

Oh... hmm, If it doesn't work with the MPEG-2 encoder type, I'd use sphery's VLC solution

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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AndyCap:

hmm, so hvr1600 has a CX23418, while hvr1800 has a cx23417 which =~ CX23416. haha

[19:21:44]

SHADOW__X:

hvr 180 has cx25840 cx 23885

[19:22:02]

iamlindoro_:

those are the module names, SHADOW__X

[19:22:08]

SHADOW__X:

alright

[19:22:27]

iamlindoro_:

you could do it the "easy way" and find a myth dev who would add support for it if you bought them a card :)

[19:22:52]

iamlindoro_:

or try to convince the ivtv devs to roll in HVR-1800 support (which they might, who knows, they've done the 1600)

[19:23:02]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

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sphery:

I'm guessing most myth dev's wouldn't be interested in doing it (what with ATSC/DVB taking first stage and the HD-PVR being a much-more-capable analog solution).

[19:23:40]

sphery:

The card is a lot less expensive than the time it takes to make the card work. :)

[19:24:03]

** iamlindoro_ hugs his HD-PVR **

[19:24:14]

iamlindoro_:

Which, amusingly, uses the MPEG-2 encoder card type ;)

[19:24:18]

sphery:

SHADOW__X: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppage_HVR-1800 "Only Digital (ATSC/QAM) works; NTSC does not yet work. "

[19:24:19]

iamlindoro_:

(for now)

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SHADOW__X:

that was almost a year ago

[19:24:31]

SHADOW__X:

it works

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sphery:

I took that to mean, "in Myth"

[19:24:53]

SHADOW__X:

dude its mythtv not reading the card right mplayer works and ivtv-tune changed the channell

[19:24:56]

SHADOW__X:

oh ok

[19:25:24]

iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: you can work towards another solution in the long run, but the VLC solution sphery suggested will work perfectly well today

[19:25:26]

sphery:

then again, it's a wiki, so it can mean pretty much whatever you want it to mean :)

[19:25:51]

iamlindoro_:

I myself would set it up the VLC way and then badger the IVTV folks in the long run

[19:26:00]

SHADOW__X:

alright

[19:27:08]

iamlindoro_:

It's probably not unrealistic to believe that they intend/wouldn't mind adding support for the 1800, especially as the "heavy lifting" is already done

[19:27:23]

mkrufky:

no

[19:27:35]

mkrufky:

ivtv is for cards based on the cx23416 as the PCI bridge

[19:27:46]

mkrufky:

cx18 is "" "" "" cx23418 as the PCI bridge

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mkrufky:

the HVR1800 uses a cx23417, and it is NOT the PCI / PCIe bridge

[19:28:12]

mkrufky:

the driver for HVR1800 is done and it works very well

[19:28:13]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[19:28:21]

iamlindoro_:

You know it always turns me on when you use letters and numbers

[19:28:29]

mkrufky:

oh, babry

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** sphery wanders off to give iamlindoro_ and mkrufky some privacy **

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SHADOW__X:

so what means that mpeg encoder option in myth isnt going to work

[19:29:00]

** SHADOW__X pulls up a chair **

[19:29:07]

mkrufky:

no, it means that you are doing something wrong, SHADOW__X

[19:29:14]

SHADOW__X:

ah sweet

[19:29:19]

SHADOW__X:

again with the me issue

[19:29:30]

mkrufky:

(this hasnt changed)

[19:29:35]

SHADOW__X:

well well welll

[19:29:35]

mkrufky:

no offense, SHADOW__X

[19:29:44]

SHADOW__X:

none taken its fine

[19:29:57]

SHADOW__X:

i have no issue that i make mistakes

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SHADOW__X:

well i copied firmware

[19:30:48]

SHADOW__X:

i installed driver

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SHADOW__X:

what else could i screw up

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iamlindoro_:

you forgot to compile myth with --disable-SHADOW_X-mistakes

[19:31:33]

SHADOW__X:

forgot about that flag

[19:31:35]

SHADOW__X:

damn me

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SHADOW__X:

i mean i just dont see where i went wrong

[19:32:56]

SHADOW__X:

i have my hvr 1800 and my pinnacle 800 i installed

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SHADOW__X:

i copy firmware

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SHADOW__X:

make v4l driver using mercurial

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SHADOW__X:

using main tree

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SHADOW__X:

i am using the secound video that the hvr 1800 makes which works using cat or mplayer

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SHADOW__X:

picture and audio is fine

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loki_666:

I'm having some glitches while watching either livetv or recordings with my mythbox

[19:39:06]

loki_666:

while monitoring the system, i conclude that thoses glitch (a very quick slowdown in video) is happening when the kernel is freeing memory

[19:39:35]

justinh:

and in the frontend log with -v playback, what does it say?

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loki_666:

so my free memory while playing media goes from 80mo to 0mo then 80 to 0mo etc

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sphery:

sounds like a job for a $20 stick of RAM

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loki_666:

each time it's freeing memory i'm having a quick glitch

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** justinh agrees with sphery **

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justinh:

but seeing -v playback frontend log output might be beneficial

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loki_666:

well could be... but the question is what process it taking this ram since disk cache doesnt grew up

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loki_666:

ok i'll try

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loki_666:

mythfrontend doest memory leak, neither mplayer ofcourse

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justinh:

and maybe saying how much ram you have, which theme you use etc.. would help

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justinh:

also what res you run mythfrontend at

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loki_666:

so whom is taking and freeing ram

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loki_666:

i'm have 1024 – 128 mb (for gpu)

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loki_666:

running at 1280x720

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loki_666:

them is blue osd i think

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sphery:

1024 should be good, and blue is relatively low-resource.

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justinh:

ok so 1GB RAM. should be enough in most cases but themes can eat memory like nothing else

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justinh:

the GUI theme is what eats ram the most, not the osd theme

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loki_666:

yes ok, but it's allocated once and should not grew up alot while playing media

[19:44:24]

loki_666:

same for GUI theme

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justinh:

how full is the partition where the mysql database lives?

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loki_666:

20%

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joomla_user:

study made by FBI shows that 90 % of child molesters use mythtv

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bsdfox_:

91%

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** kormoc blinks **

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loki_666:

any idea on what is taking the memory

[19:47:25]

joomla_user:

use top

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kormoc:

joomla_user, Uuh... that's not funny man...

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GreyFoxx:

It's the same guy who comes in trolling like that a lot

[19:48:33]

GreyFoxx:

Probably some badge of honour for him if he gets banned or something

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loki_666:

joomla_user: top say nothing, no process is growing neither the disk cache/buffers

[19:54:24]

justinh:

GreyFoxx: he might be happy when somebody writes that beloved mythchess plugin. or maybe not :P

[19:54:59]

joomla_user:

As long as can beat the AI

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SHADOW__X:

mkrufky: so are you saying that i messed up setting up the card in linux or in mythtv

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SHADOW__X:

?

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joomla_user:

loki_666, then how do you know its memory, it could be disk writing

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loki_666:

because i can see the free memory shrinking

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loki_666:

disk i/o are very low, and the glitch happens even when there is no hard driver activity

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SHADOW__X:

hmm iamlindoro_ did i mess up the setup in linux or in myth

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SHADOW__X:

and dotyou leavetoo

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loki_666:

when the free memory reach about 5mb, i get a glitch, and then there is about 90mb freed

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justinh:

where's that log output I mutterred something about all those minutes ago?

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justinh:

does top even update fast enough to spot stuff like that?!

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joomla_user:

loki_666, how much memory do you have ? it could be kernel space

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loki_666:

no swap out

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loki_666:

1GB – 128mb for gpu

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justinh:

and where is that log output?

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loki_666:

need to reboot... what should i look for in the ouput log?

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justinh:

you don't look inthe log output. we look

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Pyretic:

does anyone know if an analog-tv mpeg-4 encoder card exists ?

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justinh:

run mythfrontend with -v playback

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loki_666:

:(

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joomla_user:

!paste

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joomla_user:

no bots here

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loki_666:

ok, but cant do that now

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justinh:

loki_666: when newbies filter their own log output for what THEY think is the information that m

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justinh:

might be useful, stuff gets missed.

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justinh:

;-)

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loki_666:

wife is watching

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loki_666:

but id like to add that this behaviour is happening even when using mplayer

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joomla_user:

cat /log | grep wife

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loki_666:

but not a the same rate

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justinh:

Pyretic: only the Plextor convertx box, but that isn't a card

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sphery:

Pyretic: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Plextor_ConvertX

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justinh:

loki_666: what video card do you use?

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sphery:

never used one, though, so I can't vouch for it

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loki_666:

damn ati 780g

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justinh:

ok I don't need to know any more :)

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sphery:

If you're talking about standard-definition, though, the difference between MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 filesizes is small. I'd say go for the Hauppauge PVR-x50's, instead. (Disks are cheap anymore.)

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justinh:

loki_666: definitely seems like a video driver problem then if the glitch happens in mplayer too

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joomla_user:

try -xv .

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loki_666:

yas in fact it's already spiting lof of BUG in the dmesg, somthing about smp kernel in premptible mode

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loki_666:

im' using xv

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joomla_user:

how does 386 kernel behave ?

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loki_666:

joomla_user: you mean x86?

[20:07:34]

joomla_user:

both are x86

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joomla_user:

686 and 386

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loki_666:

im runnib x86_64

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loki_666:

running

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joomla_user:

i don't know then . post to justinh olog output .

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clever_:

loki_666: uname -a

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loki_666:

Linux mythbox 2.6.25-gentoo-r7 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 28 21:32:48 CEST 2008 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) X2 Dual Core Processor BE-2350 AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux

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clever_:

yep x86_64

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loki_666:

that's what i said

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loki_666:

ok ty guys, i think i'll have to live with that until radeonhd support textured video for r600

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SHADOW__X:

so does anyone have an ideas on what i did wrong setting up my analog tuner

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SHADOW__X:

sphery: will vlc work with analog

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sphery:

SHADOW__X: it should, though I've never tried it.

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joomla_user:

why dont you use video4linux

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SHADOW__X:

heh what do you mean joomla_user

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joomla_user:

why vlc ?

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SHADOW__X:

your host name doesnt give it awak ;) i got the point

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SHADOW__X:

joomla_user: i am having an issue getting my tuner to work 100 percent in myth in mplayer it works

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SHADOW__X:

and i can use it as an input

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joomla_user:

i am on my 4 th beer, don't listen to everything i say

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SHADOW__X:

but chanign the channel doesnt work

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joomla_user:

i bet there is some way to iimport channel list to mythtv DB. google it or something

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SHADOW__X:

joomla_user: scanning works

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SHADOW__X:

its just not reading the right info from the card so it doesnt knwo what channel its one

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SHADOW__X:

or how to change the channel right afaik

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joomla_user:

http://www.nabble.com/import-channels.conf-pr . . . 6s15552.html

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SHADOW__X:

sphery: vlc wont open /dev/vdeo2 but mplayer does

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SHADOW__X:

joomla_user: thats not the issue i have the right channels its just mythtv and my tuner arent communicating well

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Pyretic:

sphery: yeah i have a 150 and it works nicely

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Pyretic:

thx for the tip though, maybe i'll just wait for my disk to fill up and then decide if i need mpeg4

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black_Nightmare_:

is anyone in here using a dvb-s card with CI connector used?

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justinh:

black_Nightmare_: what difference does that make in the UK? apart from none, I mean

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh I had checked with one of the local store about the pay channels for around here and well some seem interesting enough to consider but one catch is that they're via CI card from the providers

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black_Nightmare_:

its no biggie if I can't get them anyway

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justinh:

there's no way, within the T&Cs of UK pay satellite providers, to do it

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black_Nightmare_:

heh sorry if that confused things but I'm actually in canada ^_^

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justinh:

oops my mistake lol

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iamlindoro_:

Same in Canada AFAIK

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justinh:

if you can get a CAM from a provider you're good. if not, there's no legit way

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directhex:

ZUBAT used Leech Life!

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SHADOW__X:

when using qam what does (lamc) mean

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah I'll try one of them (maybe bell first) and if nothing works out then who cares as at least the free stations are nice enough ;)

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: There's info in the wiki/docs about that, capital LAM with lower case c means locked, encrypted channel

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright off to read thanks iamlindoro_

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: L – Lock, c – encrypted, C – decrypted/unencrypted just from memory

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iamlindoro_:

Heck, this little Dell from the users list is actually bearable/capable looking

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PatrickDK:

what one?

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iamlindoro_:

PatrickDK: http://www.dell.com/content/products/productd . . . en&s=dhs

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not_krufky:

iamlindoro_: link?

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not_krufky:

ah

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iamlindoro_:

All decent hardware for linux, too

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iamlindoro_:

Too bad about the dell logo, but otherwise not half bad

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PatrickDK:

yuk, keep it away from my kids

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sphery:

I still like buying big, ugly cases with lots of fans and sticking the box in a different room (with cables run through the wall).

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/topic.aspx . . . w6&s=dhs

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joomla_user:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c55/ZoSoKar . . . 7873_sml.jpg

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sphery:

Only thing prettier than a "beautiful" case is no visible case.

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iamlindoro_:

ugly link, halfway decent backside

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black_Nightmare_:

sphery hehe

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not_krufky:

what a crappy name for a machine

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black_Nightmare_:

me well I'm a mix between simple or wood-homemade cases myself

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not_krufky:

... but its flippin' hot

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iamlindoro_:

sphery: I'm with you on that... times and places for everything of course-- I'm going that direction with my downstairs system, but it's impractical upstairs

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iamlindoro_:

not_krufky: hot good hot, or hot bad hot?

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not_krufky:

hot as in sexy

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iamlindoro_:

probably a bit of either :)

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SHADOW__X:

mobile proc

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sphery:

Yeah. Where not possible, the pretty-case approach is pretty important. But I chose the location of my TV room to allow the "other room" approach.

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sphery:

pretty case is especially important if you have SO's opinions involved, too

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not_krufky:

obviously i dont want have any extra-ciricular activities with THAT machine..... but a six, eight or three... thats another story

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, whenever I see systems like that there always seems to be a "catch," but all this stuff is pretty myth friendly

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sphery:

not_krufky: no 7 (of 9)?

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not_krufky:

i dont think we know who cylon # 7 is

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not_krufky:

( i left reality when i changed my nick )

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sphery:

Yeah, I was crossing universes (to ST: Voyager).

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not_krufky:

hm, i never really got into that one

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SHADOW__X:

anyone with suggestions how i cant screw up getting analog work i am so close i can taste how horrible analog is

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sphery:

didn't miss much (other than 7)

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SlicerDicer:

is mythtv still incapable of transcoding HDTV with the built in transcoder I am getting error 232 when I try to transcode it to hack out the commericals :/

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clever_:

SlicerDicer: trunk is also exploding on transcode with cutlists for me

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sphery:

SHADOW__X: obviously I'm not the guy to help, but once you figure it out, if you were to update the MythTV wiki page for it, imagine how much time you could save the next guy...

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clever_:

if i delete the cutlist it transcodes just fine but i dont loose the comercials

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SlicerDicer:

clever_: I have never been able to get it to work so its no big deal for me just wondering :)

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SHADOW__X:

oh hell yeah i will update it

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clever_:

SlicerDicer: it used to work just fine

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iamlindoro_:

SlicerDicer: There are certain digital lossless transcodes that mythtranscode chokes on, you need to look at the backend log to see what the actual error is

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SlicerDicer:

for HD?

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clever_:

iamlindoro_: my actual error is segfault

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iamlindoro_:

clever_: Well then that's not *his* error

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SHADOW__X:

if someone gave me 3 pages of stuff to do it i would def do it to make it work i am just clueless at this point what commuication error mythtv and my tuner are having

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iamlindoro_:

clever_: so you're just talking to yourself again :)

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clever_:

iamlindoro_: doesnt mean you cant help me with my own

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iamlindoro_:

clever_: When's the last time you svn up'ed?

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clever_:

MythTV Version : 17738M

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clever_:

MythTV Branch : trunk

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iamlindoro_:

update

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iamlindoro_:

there was a pretty major mythtranscode fix that fixed my segfaults with it

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clever_:

i did one 2–3 days ago but havent installed the compile yet

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black_Nightmare_:

I'm just curious...how does low signals make a tuner freak out? (reading description on twinhan wikipage)

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iamlindoro_:

and as I recall it was in the late 17700s

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clever_:

and thats exactly why i mention it every now and then

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clever_:

to see if any1 heard of updates like that

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not_krufky:

actually, all of my transcodes have been failing lately as well

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not_krufky:

lossless transcodes, just to eliminate the commercials

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clever_:

Revision: 17928

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clever_:

(source dir i compiled last)

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iamlindoro_:

clever_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/17822/tr . . . ythtranscode

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sphery:

As I learned yesterday, though, if you're not running the version with the patch, the patch doesn't help...

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iamlindoro_:

That fixed my segfaults in trunk

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justinh:

any of those I get from dvb recordings end up being fed into ffmpeg to strip out the streams I don't give a hoot about

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clever_:

iamlindoro_: sounds like my build dir is past that revision:)

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clever_:

i'll just install it without another update

[20:53:35]

iamlindoro_:

#2077 is still in painful effect, hope that someday soon it gets laid to rest

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clever_:

sounds acient

[20:54:26]

clever_:

nope never had 2077 myself

[20:54:35]

iamlindoro_:

It's *probably* SlicerDicer's problem, but he'll have to check his backend log to see if that's the case

[20:54:39]

clever_:

probly because i lack dvb

[20:54:45]

iamlindoro_:

Doesn't need to be DVB

[20:54:55]

iamlindoro_:

Firewire and ATSC can also be affected

[20:55:08]

clever_:

dont have those either

[20:55:13]

clever_:

only a pvr-150

[20:55:20]

black_Nightmare_:

oh and before I forget..I'm not quite sure what word to use ('index' search is too general silly enough) but can mythtv like add indexing to recorded shows?

[20:55:28]

justinh:

is this the one where the # of streams changes mid-recording & fouls things up by any chance?

[20:55:31]

SlicerDicer:

iamlindoro_: I will look later :) I am not near the computer I was just doing it through remote frontend and mythweb :)

[20:55:44]

justinh:

black_Nightmare_: what do you mean?

[20:55:52]

iamlindoro_:

SlicerDicer: ok, good luck

[20:56:21]

sphery:

black_Nightmare_: Like http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/342366#342366 ? If so, (as you may guess from the guy's proposed approach for doing it), no.

[20:56:32]

iamlindoro_:

justinh: I don't think so, It appears to have something to do with problems with the replexing portion of mythtranscode-- when I see it the PIDs are just one audio, one video throughout

[20:56:43]

clever_:

once this commflag is done i'll see about installing the new compile

[20:58:21]

clever_:

./installmost!

[20:58:35]

iamlindoro_:

Go go gadget make

[20:58:44]

clever_:

make allready compiled everything

[20:59:03]

iamlindoro_:

Wasn't talking to you ;)

[20:59:11]

clever_:

had to clean out the conflicts in my udpnotify.cpp

[20:59:33]

clever_:

my local patch messed with the real fix for the problem

[21:00:14]

SHADOW__X:

i think comcast added more qam for me yay

[21:00:30]

sphery:

Hmmm. What's an appropriate allowable offset between the time on the master backend and other clients/backends?

[21:00:57]

dustybin:

clever_: STOP what your doing, take a few deep breaths, and say "im going to have a computer break"

[21:01:11]

clever_:

dustybin: cant do that until i restart the master backend:P

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh hm well I've often indexed my vhs recordings especially when its more than one on a single tape to start with. beside (well, retail dvds usually have this too and I've used them at times) often putting 20–30min spaced intervals in longer shows.

[21:02:12]

dustybin:

i can see why older people seem to focus on certain projects only, the linux world is too big and far too much to take in

[21:02:46]

dustybin:

if you try and keep up to date with everything you will slowly go mad

[21:02:59]

black_Nightmare_:

dustybin yeah I have to agree with you on that

[21:03:05]

sphery:

did dustybin just call me old?

[21:03:14]

dustybin:

:o

[21:03:26]

clever_:

i feel old too

[21:03:30]

sphery:

It would really hurt if it didn't feel so true...

[21:04:09]

iamlindoro_:

sphery: all relative

[21:04:10]

dustybin:

its all about 'focus' its impossible to 'focus' on lots of projects, the human brain cannot take it in

[21:04:14]

iamlindoro_:

older than him = drinking age

[21:04:24]

clever_:

i also need to be carefull because i hear thunder

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sphery:

at least now he's calling me human

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clever_:

sphery: thats a good step, half the idiots i speak to refuse to beleive im humman:P

[21:05:07]

sphery:

clever_: where's local?

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black_Nightmare_:

justinh hope that helped anyhow (I record two or three shows at once quite a few times .. such is the tv schedule on some days! once I think it was like at least four star trek shows in one single recording ^_^

[21:05:20]

clever_:

sphery: they think im too smart to be humman

[21:05:31]

clever_:

sphery: local refering to the patch or the thunder?

[21:05:32]

sphery:

too smart or too clever?

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sphery:

local referring to thunder

[21:05:45]

clever_:

nb canada

[21:05:53]

sphery:

I'm in FL and yesterday and today when you mentioned thunder, I heard thunder

[21:06:02]

clever_:

east coast

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SHADOW__X:

i hear thunder too

[21:06:07]

clever_:

near maine

[21:06:21]

clever_:

database backing itself up....

[21:06:22]

sphery:

probably different thunder, then (unless it's a /very/ big storm cloud)

[21:06:34]

clever_:

sphery: if its that big, we got problems

[21:06:41]

clever_:

there was some lastnight also

[21:06:46]

sphery:

The Perfect Storm!

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clever_:

there was also alot of wind from the north

[21:06:56]

clever_:

which isnt normal

[21:07:15]

clever_:

Warning: MythTV wants to upgrade your database schema, from 1221 to 1222.

[21:07:33]

clever_:

looks normal overall:)

[21:07:36]

black_Nightmare_:

The Perfect Storm .. was that a ocean ship movie or am I thinking of something else?

[21:07:50]

clever_:

black_Nightmare_: ocean fishing ship i beleive

[21:07:58]

black_Nightmare_:

think I had seen that one (rental dvd)

[21:07:59]

dustybin:

Alert: MythTV has deleted ALL your recordings, we are very sorry.

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sphery:

Yeah, Marky Mark the fisherman

[21:08:15]

clever_:

dustybin: unlink() wouldnt be that fast

[21:08:19]

black_Nightmare_:

clever also another ship movie I remember was...hmm..jeeze I forgot the name but...

[21:08:25]

dustybin:

does mythtv free the mallocs?

[21:08:37]

dustybin:

malloc()

[21:08:58]

black_Nightmare_:

british ship barely came out of a hard ware alive .. let me see if I can find it...

[21:09:14]

justinh_:

general mythtv-ish network related question – is it ok to have more than one dhcp server on a network?

[21:09:17]

clever_:

3 backends resumed

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clever_:

justinh_: depends on if they are configured to know about eachother

[21:09:48]

clever_:

ive seen stuff for 2 dhcp's to share state info and 1 to take over if the other goes down

[21:10:02]

justinh_:

well, one only gives out fixed addresses to known MAC ids

[21:10:07]

clever_:

dont know how things would go horidly wrong if they dont know

[21:10:10]

justinh_:

the other is my wireless router

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clever_:

they may still both answer to every pc

[21:10:30]

clever_:

id just disable the one in the wifi router

[21:10:39]

clever_:

and give the other total dhcp control

[21:11:02]

justinh_:

I tried that, then wireless couldn't get a new IP address from the linux box

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sphery:

Isn't that the new toothpaste from Colgate? Total DHCP Control?

[21:11:31]

dustybin:

justinh_: was you using 802.11 g

[21:11:42]

sphery:

justinh_: does your wireless router allow you to use it as an access point only?

[21:11:57]

justinh_:

dustybin: fecked if I know

[21:12:04]

clever_:

justinh_: the dumb box should bridge the wifi and lan ports together

[21:12:10]

clever_:

so they act like 1 big happy family:P

[21:12:17]

justinh_:

sphery: yes but I still need a router

[21:12:22]

dustybin:

justinh_: i only found out the other day that the linux wireless driver doesnt support 108mbps super-g modes

[21:12:33]

justinh_:

dustybin: linux is never going on this laptop

[21:12:36]

iamlindoro_:

sweet zombie jesus

[21:12:43]

dustybin:

ok

[21:12:48]

iamlindoro_:

how many times do we have to talk about how you can't get Super-G?

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dustybin:

heh

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black_Nightmare_:

ah clever_ had you seen 'master and commander: the far side of the world'?

[21:13:00]

iamlindoro_:

Buy a supported 802.11n card, the end

[21:13:03]

clever_:

black_Nightmare_: nope

[21:13:20]

dustybin:

iamlindoro_: yep i read about that on slashdot, drives have just been released

[21:13:25]

dustybin:

drivers

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justinh_:

I surf & chat, transfer small files. don't need _allegedly_ fast wireless

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sphery:

justinh_: then can you do static IP from the router's DHCP?

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sphery:

black_Nightmare_: The less of 2 weevils...

[21:13:46]

iamlindoro_:

dustybin: *a* driver has been released, there are others

[21:13:47]

black_Nightmare_:

sphery?

[21:13:57]

dustybin:

ok

[21:13:58]

justinh_:

sphery: yes but the linux box is also doing tftp

[21:14:05]

sphery:

from M&C: The Far Side of the World

[21:14:05]

clever_:

sphery: my problem with that method, no network booting, router reboots on every static change

[21:14:45]

clever_:

also the router will only ever advertise itself as the gateway which sucks if you have your ow

[21:14:49]

justinh_:

the router is fixed on the same LAN IP all the time, as is the linux box

[21:15:18]

SHADOW__X:

hey is it weird to have one channel on a multiplex and is unencrpted but the rest be encrypted>?

[21:15:20]

clever_:

yeah a dhcp server cant exactly use dhcp to find its ip

[21:16:02]

dustybin:

at home i told my router to rememeber all the machines what are assigned DHCP IPs

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Dagmar:

dear god why?

[21:16:44]

Dagmar:

Why should it even care?

[21:16:45]

clever_:

dustybin: i can clone the dynamic records into the static config

[21:16:45]

clever_:

to glue any dynamic system where it is

[21:16:54]

clever_:

but if i do any change to the static config it reboots and changes my public ip

[21:17:21]

dustybin:

o_0

[21:17:31]

sphery:

I can reboot all I want without changing my public IP, as long as I don't do a dhclient -r

[21:17:53]

clever_:

sphery: my router looses the ppp link on reboot

[21:17:55]

Dagmar:

You know, you guys should probably read the DHCP RFC.

[21:17:56]

sphery:

other than that, there's not a lot I like about my cable ISP

[21:17:59]

dustybin:

my DHCP server rememebers what MAC addresses are

[21:18:03]

clever_:

and when it reconnects to ppp it gets a new ip

[21:18:05]

dustybin:

assigned to what machine

[21:18:11]

Dagmar:

None of this stuff, and I mean none of this stuff is as complex as you guys appear to think it is.

[21:18:21]

Dagmar:

"Take over for another" pfaugh

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Dagmar:

There is no need for one DHCP server to ever "take over" for another.

[21:18:32]

** dustybin cracks Dagmar **

[21:18:35]

clever_:

Dagmar: i know that my linux dhcp server will save the ip/mac's it gives out for a few days

[21:18:39]

justinh__:

fixed it :D

[21:18:40]

clever_:

and will return you to your old ip

[21:18:47]

clever_:

aslong as you arent gone for too long

[21:18:47]

Dagmar:

clever: Yes, that's called "keeping a record of leases"

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[21:19:07]

clever_:

sounds like a good name:P

[21:19:27]

Dagmar:

DHCP clients automatically make a renewal attempt at 1/2 lease expiry time. DHCP servers generally keep records of leases twice or longer than the least time

[21:19:37]

clever_:

yep sounds right

[21:19:43]

Dagmar:

s/least/lease/;

[21:19:47]

clever_:

my main problem is the ip changes over the ppp link

[21:19:49]

Dagmar:

That's becuase IT IS right

[21:19:58]

Dagmar:

Read the RFC. SEriously. It's like 10 pages long.

[21:20:04]

justinh:

now I just need my dhcp server to be able to hand out a few addresses to clients not already known. not now though

[21:20:07]

clever_:

ppp doesnt use dhcp as far as i know

[21:20:27]

** Dagmar remains unsuprised. **

[21:20:40]

Dagmar:

You know, if you knew which OSI layer these things operated in, this wouldn't come as a suprise to you

[21:20:53]

Dagmar:

Internet == FULL of documentation on this

[21:20:58]

SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ ave you heard of having an unecnrypted channel over a multiplex where the rest of the channels are encrypted

[21:21:08]

clever_:

ppp i beleive uses its own protocol(or config) to select the ip of both peers

[21:21:11]

iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: sure, extremely common

[21:21:21]

SHADOW__X:

ah ok

[21:21:25]

dustybin:

Dagmar: lazyness is a defect of the human mind

[21:21:33]

dustybin:

*common

[21:21:41]

clever_:

and yes i do read RFC's sometimes when i get bored

[21:21:48]

dustybin:

some of us are born with it :P

[21:21:53]

clever_:

or want to interface with a protocol i havent used before

[21:22:01]

Dagmar:

dustybin: yes, but if there's one thing that's really, really, really, really documented on the internet, it's how all these IP ("Internet Protocol") mechanisms work

[21:22:31]

dustybin:

ok

[21:22:38]

clever_:

i know how the whole tcp/ip stack works basicaly

[21:22:46]

Dagmar:

Except for DHCP apparently

[21:22:54]

clever_:

my tcp packets for irc are wraped in ip headers and then ethernet headers

[21:22:59]

clever_:

which gets relayed thru the network

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clever_:

then the tcp/ip gets wraped in ppp and pppoe and ethernet and sent to the dsl modem

[21:23:15]

dustybin:

clever_: do you sniff your own packets?

[21:23:20]

clever_:

where i loose control over it

[21:23:28]

clever_:

dustybin: sometimes, when i get bored/interested

[21:23:34]

dustybin:

lol

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Dagmar:

Want a cracker, Polly?

[21:24:43]

dustybin:

clever_: are packets pretty secure? or can they easily be modified to achieve anything you want?

[21:25:13]

clever_:

dustybin: if i block the original packets i could mod them in stream and change whats being said

[21:25:22]

clever_:

but stuff like ssl is designed to block that

[21:25:27]

dustybin:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

This must be what Gilbert Grape felt like

[21:25:50]

Dagmar:

heh

[21:25:54]

iamlindoro_:

or any organizer at the special olympics

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clever_:

lol

[21:26:03]

dustybin:

clever_: ive always wanted to be the man in the middle

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Dagmar:

No, those guys can run

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clever_:

dustybin: ive seen related attacks, sending false http replys over wifi before the server can answer

[21:26:29]

dustybin:

aye

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clever_:

dustybin: using that you can easily turn every image on any site loaded in range into tubgirl:P

[21:26:58]

dustybin:

thats why wireless should be avoided

[21:27:08]

clever_:

wep/wpa protects some

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dustybin:

both of those can be cracked

[21:27:27]

clever_:

but if you share the key to let people in, then the attackers can get it and do the same old thing

[21:27:44]

dustybin:

k

[21:27:49]

clever_:

a camp ground i went to had a very short wep key, 0123456789!

[21:28:02]

clever_:

you could just ask the main building and get it

[21:28:11]

dustybin:

social engineering

[21:28:12]

clever_:

but once you do so you could use the attack on any tent

[21:28:42]

dustybin:

anyway...

[21:28:46]

dustybin:

topic

[21:28:51]

clever_:

but even with such a short WEP key i couldnt crack it with 5 hours of packet sniffing and tons of number crunching

[21:28:54]

wagnerrp:

clever_ you know WEP keys have a predefined length, right?

[21:28:57]

GreyFoxx:

With todays DNS problems you couldredireect a lot of people to tubgirl:)

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[21:29:02]

Dagmar:

*sigh*

[21:29:06]

clever:

wagnerrp: yes theres a limited number of lenghts

[21:29:13]

clever:

64 128 and 256 i think

[21:29:17]

iamlindoro_:

!trout dustybin-clever 53 75 63 6b 20 6d 79 20 62 61 6c 6c 73

[21:29:17]

** MythLogBot slaps dustybin-clever with a 53 75 63 6b 20 6d 79 20 62 61 6c 6c 73 trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

[21:29:20]

Dagmar:

If you had a decet WEP cracker it should have taken a handful of minutes.

[21:29:20]

wagnerrp:

well theres all of two

[21:29:28]

iamlindoro_:

There's a secret message in that cereal for you boys

[21:29:37]

clever:

Dagmar: the cracker gets my home key in an hour

[21:29:42]

** dustybin deciphers **

[21:29:45]

clever:

Dagmar: 1h of packets and 60 seconds of cpu power

[21:30:02]

Dagmar:

You know, when you talk like this in front of grown-ups...

[21:30:04]

clever:

but just by chance the most simple key was the least obvious to the algo in the cracker

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clever:

dustybin: only need to decode 4 bytes to know what it says:P

[21:32:10]

iamlindoro_:

The verb is only HALF the fun

[21:32:15]

iamlindoro_:

The object is also important

[21:32:24]

clever:

you can tell where its going

[21:32:44]

clever:

or not:P

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[21:32:53]

clever:

was thinking of a diff word in the same area of the body

[21:32:59]

wagnerrp:

clever: its just ASCII

[21:33:10]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah its easy to decode

[21:33:19]

Dagmar:

clever: read this http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Aircrack_WEP

[21:33:25]

iamlindoro_:

Yay, I feel like we're all much closer now

[21:33:28]

clever:

Dagmar: yes i was using aircrack-ng

[21:33:31]

SHADOW__X:

what does be stand for in tuning qam channels

[21:33:47]

wagnerrp:

'be'?

[21:33:53]

iamlindoro_:

Bit error

[21:33:56]

wagnerrp:

ah

[21:34:00]

SHADOW__X:

yeah when changing channels

[21:34:11]

SHADOW__X:

hmm so when its 0 everything is ok

[21:34:34]

clever:

Dagmar: but it doesnt default to cracking a 64bit key and it had no clue that the 1st byte was 01 so it was weeks away from finding the key

[21:34:44]

iamlindoro_:

If it shows zero it means your daughter is knocked up and the poolboy is to blame

[21:34:58]

Dagmar:

clever: Okay so look at http://www.securityfocus.com/infocus/1814 and tell me if your report of it taking hours to crack doesn't signify you're going completely off the rails somewhere

[21:35:02]

SHADOW__X:

dont have a daugter or a pool

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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iamlindoro_:

That you know of

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Dagmar:

clever: To put it bluntly, WEP should not take hours to crack, it should take _minutes_

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SHADOW__X:

right back at ya ;)

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clever:

Dagmar: i know how the output of aircrack-ng works, its printing a vote for how likely each value is in each byte of the key

[21:36:00]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: well you still need a quantity of packets to crack it

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wagnerrp:

if no one is using the network, it could take considerable time

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clever:

Dagmar: it takes 60 seconds to crack my wep key at home, after i get 1million packets

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SHADOW__X:

it will take minutes under a good amount of traffic

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iamlindoro_:

a million packets???

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clever:

i maxed the wifi out by transfering massive video files on a 2nd pc

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iamlindoro_:

I should think

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clever:

but i was still getting plenty of trafic without any proding when i was at that camp ground

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iamlindoro_:

I hear all the FKK campgrounds are like that

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clever:

4 00:16:01:84:C6:AA Camper City Net S3 WEP (63875 IVs)

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clever:

5 mac's 5 essid's 1 key, i was using an extra option to make it ignore the mac/essid so i could merge all packets from every ap

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iamlindoro_:

If I buy you a shiny DX-4 100 will you stop talking about this?

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** clever googles **

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clever:

lol

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iamlindoro_:

oof

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clever:

i allready have some of those

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iamlindoro_:

Why am I not surprised

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clever:

looks like its just a 486 dx

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SHADOW__X:

i have an intel overdirve :D

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iamlindoro_:

Ah the DX4, when Ultima 7 was new and the next commander keen game was in the hearts of all the little nerds... That was the summer I wore an onion on my belt, as was the fashion at the time.

[21:42:16]

clever:

im still working on getting my 486sx working

[21:42:23]

clever:

it doesnt have enough ram for duke nukem

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clever:

Dagmar: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . 1.png/_full_

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iamlindoro_:

Well *that* needed an image rather than a pastebin

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clever:

pastebin tents to mess with the formating

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iamlindoro_:

You presume we give half a shit about what you're talking about

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iamlindoro_:

we don't

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iamlindoro_:

trust me

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iamlindoro_:

When new people are PMing me asking what is wrong with you... you should stop.

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clever:

lol

[21:45:02]

clever:

i tend to just ignore random pm's from unwanted idiots

[21:45:03]

iamlindoro_:

Because it's *hard* to explain Asperger's

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** directhex continues playing pokemon **

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** iamlindoro_ is glad directhex is back **

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directhex:

The wild BUIZEL used Water Gun!

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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directhex:

ZAPPA gained 96 Exp points!

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directhex:

zappa is my shinx. the first wild pokemon i caught!

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clever:

directhex: http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=242

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directhex:

my BIDOOF evolved into BIBAREL! ^_^

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Nido:

I've got a problem that no sound is being recorded

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directhex:

tuner type?

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Nido:

the card I use is an phillips SAA7134 from medion

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directhex:

cheap analog shite, then?

[22:18:59]

Nido:

i can hear sound though when I plug in my headphone into the card

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Nido:

probably; but it does have an entry in alsa

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directhex:

that's not a good thing. framegrabbers are the most awkward type of card to set up

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Nido:

framegrabbers?

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directhex:

ten quid tv cards which capture analog tv, and rely on your CPU to turn the images into something saveable. audio usually goes from a line-out on the card into the line-in port of your sound card

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iamlindoro:

The collective term for cards which rely on the CPU to do all the compression/encoding of the material you want to capture

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iamlindoro:

wow

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Nido:

ah

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Nido:

so what is the right way to fix this?

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sphery:

Nido: almost always comes down to an error in sound config. See http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

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Nido:

thanks

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Nido:

so, if I have this correctly, I am supposed to patch the sound from the 'audio out' from the tuner to the line in on the computer, right?

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directhex:

right

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Nido:

great

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Nido:

luckily I have the cables needed handy

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Nido:

this will be lots of fun with ubuntu's pulseaudio woes in the middle. especially since I use multiple sound cards :)

[22:33:45]

directhex:

yes, it will

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directhex:

enjoy your framegrabber

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Nido:

why didn't they just output the video through the s-vid out too? that way they needen't send that over the pci bus either

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directhex:

into what?

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Nido:

just being sarcastic

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Nido:

I don't get why they didn't stream the audio over the pci bus as well, a ad chip aint that expensive

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iamlindoro:

Because you bought the $10 capture card instead of teh $12 one :)

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Nido:

actually it was an EUR50 one

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iamlindoro:

Soooooooo you got bilked :)

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Nido:

got what?

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SHADOW__X:

aww

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GreyFoxx:

nido: ripped off, cheated, scammed out of your money

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Nido:

ah

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Nido:

whatever. it's alsamagic time

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SHADOW__X:

return that shit

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Nido:

I'm about 5 years late for that

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iamlindoro:

Since you're in .nl, wouldn't you rather have a shiny DVB-C card?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

i like shiny

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SHADOW__X:

does it have a whistle

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iamlindoro:

no, but you can tune filthy scandinavian porno with it

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iamlindoro:

which is better

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SHADOW__X:

hmm what percentage better

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SHADOW__X:

are we talking 30–50 percent

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Nido:

what is a DVB-C card and what does it cost?

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directhex:

digital cable card

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SHADOW__X:

bad joke?

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Nido:

nah, then I need to get my landlord to get that installed. It took them about a month to give me internet, despite the fact they paid for it the two years this place was empty

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iamlindoro:

Better start soon then

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Nido:

nah

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Nido:

i don't give much about tv anyway

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Nido:

you know what's curious?

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Nido:

I can 'cat /dev/dsp2 > /dev/dsp', and I get audio

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directhex:

oranges?

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Nido:

dsp2 being my saa, dsp being the standard audio card

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directhex:

OSStastic

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Nido:

presuming the dsp numbers are equal to those in alsa

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Nido:

yay! sound

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Nido:

it's the smurfs, but I've got sound

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directhex:

smurf on smurfette action?

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Nido:

nopes; weathersmurf; and newssmurf was before that

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Nido:

hrm

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Nido:

audio doesn't respond to changing the frequencies

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Nido:

i'll just record something and see what's up with it tomorrow

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Nido:

later

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wagnerrp:

mother fucking HP installer... 'i have to restart to delete files'... fucking bullshit...

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iamlindoro:

ah geeze

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iamlindoro:

I hate those dudes

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black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp such is silly windows these days *sigh*

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iamlindoro:

350 MB printer driver indeed!

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wagnerrp:

well with the scanner software and all, its closer to 600MB

[23:20:12]

wagnerrp:

and its a network printer, so thats 600MB on every machine that wants to use it

[23:20:38]

black_Nightmare_:

whatever happened to just the simple printer identifier drivers from several years ago? (you know..just enough to tell softwares what its capacity is and where its located)

[23:21:16]

wagnerrp:

they went the way of firewire

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directhex:

black_Nightmare_, assuming said printer is a postscript printer

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black_Nightmare_:

a lot of deskjets' and so on were like just a few hundred kb's

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black_Nightmare_:

including apple's

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wagnerrp:

it still exists, but you have to pay an assload for products that support it

[23:21:37]

directhex:

if it's a PS printer, all you need is a PPD

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black_Nightmare_:

directhex yeah that too

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black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp which of I'm still curiously looking for an used epson pro scanner if there's ever anyone not wanting theirs anymore (to replace this scsi microtek scanner)

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black_Nightmare_:

figures

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

anyone been looking into the digital to analog converter boxes?

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black_Nightmare_:

not me because I live north from there (just a little humor heh)

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black_Nightmare_:

;)

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lwizardl:

black_Nightmare_, you must be in the uk

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lwizardl:

or canada huh

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iamlindoro:

lwizardl: Relatively few people use analog encoder cards plugged directly into antennas, although they do exist... many/most people have moved to digital cards for antennas

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lwizardl:

iamlindoro, I'm still having trouble with my cards

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lwizardl:

but I have a couple HD televisions but they don't have a built in digital tuner

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black_Nightmare_:

canada ya lwizardl :)

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lwizardl:

black_Nightmare_, yeah at first i just read far from there, then when i re read your post I understood

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black_Nightmare_:

and well to tell you the truth I'm glad canada isn't following usa now (well or for the moment anyhow) since I have like 5 seperate antenna useages here (soon to be a 6th one plus a dish) and at least 3 fixed devices aren't quite upgradeable

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** black_Nightmare_ just shakes head **

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lwizardl:

black_Nightmare_, the time will come though

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black_Nightmare_:

well maybe I'll had been able to figure modulateable dish's by then (for the fixed devices) or who really knows at this point

[23:48:26]

black_Nightmare_:

who really knows tho

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black_Nightmare_:

err sorry for repeating

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** black_Nightmare_ isn't quite fully awake this night :| **

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lwizardl:

yeah but canada seems to follow alot of the us stuff

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lwizardl:

i'll guess 2010 or 2011 canada will go all digital

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black_Nightmare_:

hm well if you don't mind me asking, what kind of tv(s)/etc do you have in your place?

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lwizardl:

nope don't mind at all

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black_Nightmare_:

(mythtv's as well)

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lwizardl:

RCA 52" HDTV (480i/480p/1080i) D52W20

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lwizardl:

Slyvania PEM-42EM (iirc) 42" Plasma EDTV

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lwizardl:

Vizio 42" LCD

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lwizardl:

RCA 52" Traditional RPTV (SD only from like 1988)

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lwizardl:

and working on getting my MythTV box working to be used on the Plasma

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black_Nightmare_:

nice

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lwizardl:

currently the machine is running windows vista ultimate only because I can not get the cards working correctly

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lwizardl:

thanks, how about you?

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black_Nightmare_:

hmm where do I start heh...

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black_Nightmare_:

powerpc performa macintosh w/apple tv tuner card, windows/bsd pc with 3500TV agp, mitsubishi vcr, basic toshiba 20" (only single front&rear mirrored composite hookup), temporately borrowed 20" widescreen lcdtv (sony I think? can't recall), older external CC box ... and I wouldn't count the many non-tv items here to say less of 3 game consoles too

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black_Nightmare_:

might be adding a mythtv/epia box eventually at some point

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