Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 27th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Too late

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Dagmar:

Their hardware suckage has ruined all interest in them

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Dagmar:

That reminds me, I gotta remember to call the bank in the morning and dispute a charge

[00:01:20]

Dagmar:

Those halfwits at Funcom failed to not charge my account as well

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Dagmar:

Not once, but twice.

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wagnerrp:

thats why i dont like going in on automatic payments

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wagnerrp:

they tend to never stop

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Dagmar:

This is a first for me

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Dagmar:

Hell, I cancelled before the first month was up

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wagnerrp:

i signed up for some blockbuster trial, because a friend wanted to rent some games

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Dagmar:

I heard they were screwing up so bad they were charging people after termination, even the people they'd banned for bringing up touchy subjects like "Where is the rest of the game?" on the forms

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Dagmar:

I go and look at my bank account, and lo and behold they've hit my account TWICE.

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wagnerrp:

the trial never worked, i never had access to my account, so i couldnt close it when it came time to start paying

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wagnerrp:

took me three months to actually get them to cancel it

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Stuff like that you should just call them and either get it resolved then, or fine out whose specific phone number to dial to begin chewing ass bright and early in the morning.

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PatrickDK:

strange, so quiet

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cesman:

iamlindoro: Thanks for the news!

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squish103:

when plugging in a usb ir receiver, how do i know if linux identified it?

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cesman:

dmesg

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cesman:

cat /proc/bus/usb/devices

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squish103:

thanks

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Dagmar:

Mainly dmesg

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squish103:

yip, i never have anything in /proc/bus/usb/

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Dagmar:

Listing the USB bus isn't really going to do anything much beyond affirming the device isn't completely dead

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Dagmar:

`/sbin/lsusb` is much more likely to work

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Dagmar:

...er than that proc interface which is deprecated

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squish103:

i really really really have been fighting to get any ir receiver working half decently

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Termina:

Does anyone know why 'Video Manager' updating takes so long over NFS?

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Termina:

Or how I can improve performance?

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Termina:

It can often take 3–5 minutes on a 10/100 network with fast machines

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PatrickDK:

how many files?

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PatrickDK:

mine takes about 10seconds

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Termina:

find Video | wc -l

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Termina:

1779

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PatrickDK:

with about 4000 files or so

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Termina:

is it over NFS, or local?

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Dagmar:

Buy a faster CPU

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Termina:

It's an AMD X2 4400

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PatrickDK:

it's spead out over 3 nfs servers

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PatrickDK:

mine are 2.8ghz p4's

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Dagmar:

Get rid of the 10base-T NIC cards.

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Termina:

Any idea what the problem could be? :/

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Termina:

Um, no 10 base

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Termina:

all 100

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Dagmar:

You're the one with the equipment.

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Dagmar:

All we can do is guess.

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PatrickDK:

mine are all gigabit :)

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Termina:

Dagmar: That's why I'm asking for help; I don't know what's causing this

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PatrickDK:

I use: nfsvers=3,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,soft,intr,actimeo=120,async,bg,noatime

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Dagmar:

So call in a network engineer

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PatrickDK:

my nfs servers don't support nfs4 yet

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PatrickDK:

oh wait, change that soft to hard

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Termina:

Well, I can use find to list all the files on the terminal just fine

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Termina:

over NFS

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Dagmar:

Oh yeah that's a great test of network throughput

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Termina:

Is there a good way to benchmark this?

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Termina:

or do you have any suggestions Dagmar? :P

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Dagmar:

bonnie++

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PatrickDK:

heh

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PatrickDK:

it's the file metadata requests that are slow for him

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Dagmar:

Lo and behold there is also http://lbs.sourceforge.net/

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Termina:

There a way to disable these metadata requests?

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Dagmar:

...which is the first hit you get when you Google "benchmark NFS"

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PatrickDK:

termina, yes

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PatrickDK:

don't access the files

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Termina:

<.<

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Termina:

I'd just like MythTV's 'Video List' to act like a file browser; I don't need it to look up any additional information

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Termina:

is there a good way to do this?

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Dagmar:

What's the raw throughput speed of the network?

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Termina:

I use mythtv from my couch via remote

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PatrickDK:

termina, oh wait

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PatrickDK:

you don't mean when you add new files

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GreyFoxx:

term: Just term off the "video list loads meta data"

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Termina:

Dagmar: I see 11–13 MB/s

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PatrickDK:

but when you go to play them, it's slow to display?

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Termina:

GreyFoxx: Where is this located?

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Dagmar:

Termina: Then like I said, get rid of the 10base-T cards.

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Termina:

Er, not bits

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Termina:

bytes

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Termina:

I'm see 100mbps speeds

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PatrickDK:

when you add videos, it's nfs being slow

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Dagmar:

How about we just pretend I hit up arrow and enter to repeat myself

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GreyFoxx:

Term: In the video setup section ?:)

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PatrickDK:

when you go to the view, and play screen, it's your mysql being slow

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Termina:

Just when I'm updating the video list.

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Termina:

transfering/playing is not slow

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GreyFoxx:

Term: You can set it to browse the file system or only load info frmo the database, and you can choose if it loads meta data from the db

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GreyFoxx:

I set mine to browse the FS , and load meta data

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Termina:

Sweet! Disabling metadata did it

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Dagmar:

Because basically, you're trying to tell you you're either getting 10base-T throughput on a 100base-T network, or that you're getting *more* than the maximum throughput.

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Dagmar:

*I* say you're just making up the answer and haven't actually looked.

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Dagmar:

...and it's probably a throughput problem.

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Termina:

Nope, working now

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Termina:

Dagmar, having a bad day or something?

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PatrickDK:

I don't see how disabling metadata in mysql speeds up adding new videos

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Termina:

Um, not adding

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Termina:

when I go to Video Manager

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Termina:

it updates that database

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Dagmar:

Termina: Yes, there's all these lamers who keep coming on IRC with half-assed problem descriptions who want help, and then make up phony information when we ask for more inforamtion

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Termina:

that takes *forever*

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Dagmar:

It's just a bit waste of time

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Termina:

I'm not providing phony information

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Termina:

settle the fuck down

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Dagmar:

You're not getting 13 megabytes/sec over 100base-T either.

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Dagmar:

...and not 11 either.

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Termina:

Those are the speeds I see with scp

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Dagmar:

How about you grow the fuck up then.

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Termina:

Calm down, buddy

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Dagmar:

You're the one who got all excited and started telling people to "settle the fuck down"

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Termina:

And you're the one who's been grumpy since I started talking :D

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Dagmar:

bla blah blah

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Termina:

Helpful comments like: <Dagmar> So call in a network engineer

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Termina:

Just saying, you've been kind of rude

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Termina:

I'm sorry if I didn't provide information fast enough

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry, do you feel you're not getting your money's worth here?

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Termina:

Not at all

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Termina:

:)

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Termina:

Just saying, you don't have to be rude

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PatrickDK:

dagmar has a right to be rude

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PatrickDK:

he's a demigod

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I said call in a network engineer because you didn't even so much as Google before asking about this, man

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Termina:

GreyFoxx fixed my problem in what, 1 or 2 minutes? xD That's awesome

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Termina:

Yes, I googled

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Termina:

I've gone through my.cnf to see if it way mysql

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Termina:

I've tried loads of nfs options in fstab

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Termina:

turns out with was a weird setting in mythtv

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** Termina shrugs **

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Dagmar:

Just think of all the time you wasted trying different NFS options, when a test with an actual benchmarking tool would have told you your NFS setup was fine

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Termina:

Yep, and I thank you for that awesome benchmarking tool. However, I had already figured out it wasn't a speed issue with my network

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Termina:

which is why I came here to ask for help :D

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PatrickDK:

I still wonder

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Termina:

and was promptly helped

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PatrickDK:

cause I don't have that issue

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** Termina shrugs **

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Termina:

So you think mysql might be to blame still, PatrickDK?

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Termina:

there a good way to benchmark mysql?

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Dagmar:

lol

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PatrickDK:

the metadata I was talking about is the file time, size, .... via nfs

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PatrickDK:

the metadata GreyFoxx talked about was the mythvideo data stored in mysql

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PatrickDK:

I dunno what setting that is

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PatrickDK:

but I assume it turns off checking if those two metadata match or not

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Termina:

Good to have my only mythtv issue fixed. :D

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: you were right, the world is ending

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wagnerrp:

i was flipping through the channels, and came across Hannah Montanna...

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wagnerrp:

... in 3D!

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Dagmar:

Oh

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wagnerrp:

luckily i was not using mythtv at the time

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Dagmar:

I thought she was already doing hardcore porn or something

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wagnerrp:

as i would have had to burn the hard drive

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PatrickDK:

has she grown breasts yet?

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Dagmar:

Well, ther'es one magazine that seems to think so

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wagnerrp:

if i had 3D glasses, maybe i could have seen something

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wagnerrp:

although she looked like she had half a dozen layers of tshirts on

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wagnerrp:

it was like the Disney version of grunge

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Dagmar:

Her dad is going to get a bitch slapping if I see him

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Dagmar:

Like, what part of "parents don't let their 15 year olds pose nude for Vanity Fair" eludes him

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Dagmar:

Hey, it's okay to sell her out as a teen idol, and while we're at it, lets just strip her down for a nude photoshoot as an inspiration to all the other little girls

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wagnerrp:

so another two years before Disney will have to find another prostitute?

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Dagmar:

Looks it.

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Dagmar:

I doubt they'll want anything to do with her once she's legal.

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wagnerrp:

well thats standard procedure, pick someone up at ~13, abuse them for 4–5 years, and then drop them for the 'new thing'

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wagnerrp:

meanwhile they breakdown and become a crackhead

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PatrickDK:

wagnerrp, well, atleast while they are down, they are willing to do anything

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PatrickDK:

britteny?

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wagnerrp:

actually, i was referring to the other one, Lohan

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wagnerrp:

i didnt think britteny was disney

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Dagmar:

She was at first.

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GreyFoxx:

a mouseketeer

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GreyFoxx:

along with justing timberlage and Christina agualera (spl?)

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wagnerrp:

well that doesnt count

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Dagmar:

<-- has "done" a mouseketeer.

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Dagmar:

:)

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wagnerrp:

you make her wear the hat?

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Dagmar:

I didn't know it at hte time or I damn well would have

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Dagmar:

Come to think of it, I still feel cheated she didn't tell me up front

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Dagmar:

...and that was some years ago

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XLV:

that seems to be a decent h264/vc1 embedded network media player http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/multimedia/p . . . ntd36hd.html

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squish103:

if i am running something like this? is this all i need?

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squish103:

/usr/local/sbin/lircd --driver=dev/input --device=/dev/input/firefly-mini --output=/dev/lircd --pidfile /var/run/lircd.pid

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squish103:

or is there some piece of lircd that i am not running?

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wagnerrp:

XLV... only... it doesnt seem to support avc/vc1

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squish103:

when running irw i am not getting anything through

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Dagmar:

Ouch

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Dagmar:

It's interface is homely

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Dagmar:

I've seen better displays at bowling alleys

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wagnerrp:

its all cheap-looking plastic

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Dagmar:

So, looking at it's feature list, I suspect it's one massive GPL-violation, too

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XLV:

wagnerrp yeah, but there are already open firmware

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Dagmar:

That's odd for koreans

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wagnerrp:

XLV: yeah, but it runs on a crappy ARM with hardware decoders

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wagnerrp:

opening the firmware wont get around the fact that it doesnt have the power for avc/vc1

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Dagmar:

Ayup

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XLV:

wagnerrp hmm, we'll see.. depends on the price also.. dlink, netgear and the likes asking for 300 and 400$ for a hd capable media player gets a bit annoying

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Dagmar:

Note there's a mention og 1920x1080 res in the review, but strangely, no attempt at actually testing playback of that

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Dagmar:

XLV: That's because it takes about $350-worth of hardware to do it.

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XLV:

Dagmar even you dont believe that

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Dagmar:

The hell I don't

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wagnerrp:

apparently the chips bigger brothers support avc/vc1, but itself is not actually listed in the table

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Dagmar:

I just built a damn machine to playback HD two months ago. GUESS how much the hardware cost me

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XLV:

Dagmar nvidia tegra

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Dagmar:

Seriously, all parts inclusive I paid about $400.

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XLV:

Dagmar now you compare a htpc with an embedded device

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Dagmar:

I can compare them because embedded equals MORE expensive, not less.

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XLV:

its like comparing how much it would cost to simulate a cpu on a breadboard with the actual silicon chip

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Dagmar:

Hardly.

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wagnerrp:

the only advantage of embedded is reduced power

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XLV:

Dagmar you are getting irrational now

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Dagmar:

No, I'm just working with knowledge even further removed from anything you know

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XLV:

wagnerrp lower noise, less complicated for the non techsavvy

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Dagmar:

You might as well be standing there claiming that laptops should be cheaper than desktops because they're smaller.

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wagnerrp:

im sure dagmar can get his machine pretty damn quiet

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wagnerrp:

but you hit the nail on the second point, the embedded machine is turn-key

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Dagmar:

In theory, the machine I built is "turn-key"

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Dagmar:

...only because I put all this effort into it.

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wagnerrp:

well you built the machine, and then you installed the software, configured everything

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Dagmar:

Yeah, I turned the key a LOT. ;)

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wagnerrp:

if you want it to be simple for the end user, you have to charge an extra $300 for someone to come in and install it

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XLV:

Dagmar more apples to oranges comparisons.... you must be very knowledgeable "even further removed from anything I know" btw thats incoherent – to post in /.

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wagnerrp:

ive seen a lot of ignorant incoherence on /.

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Dagmar:

What the hell does Slashdot have to do with this?

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wagnerrp:

i dont know

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XLV:

anyhow even if this device doesnt do it, something that will very soon will come along, most likely using that nvidia tegra

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Dagmar:

...and acutally, I've been working with home computers since there WERE home computers, pretty much.

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mzb_d800:

hmm

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Dagmar:

So you'll pardon me if one of the side effects of working on computers and small electronics for twenty years happens to be that I know a lot of crap

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XLV:

Dagmar well, wagnerrp nailed it <wagnerrp> ive seen a lot of ignorant incoherence on /. thats what ./ has to do with what you write

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Dagmar:

XLV: *You* brought up Slashdot

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mzb_d800:

take a chill pill you lot

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XLV:

Dagmar so? i worked with home computers from the age of apple2

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mzb_d800:

you're all too young ;P

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XLV:

Dagmar i did, cause your comments reminded me of what i read there

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Dagmar:

Whatver, kiddo.

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Dagmar:

One of the wonderful benefits of being this experienced is knowing beyond a shadow of a doubt that I don't have to give a damn what you think about it.

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Dagmar:

...and my Slashdot ID is a four digit number.

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Dagmar:

So ppbblt.

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XLV:

Dagmar i want to know what you will say in 2 months when a device using that tegra or something other embedddd and costing 100$, plays hd..

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mzb_d800:

http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=10

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XLV:

well, yeah, in two months 350$ of cost of hardware gone 50$

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mzb_d800:

;P

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Dagmar:

XLV: I'll say "Someone threw decent amoount of money at the problem to get the costs down"

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XLV:

Dagmar i dont have a ./ id, thank god

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Dagmar:

Because, also unlike you, I've dealt with prototyping stuff before

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XLV:

Dagmar but embedded is pricier, isnt it?

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Dagmar:

So don't complain about companies charging OMG $300 for a hardware player

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XLV:

Dagmar hd playback isnt prototyping.. not even technologically spectacular

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XLV:

Dagmar you said embedded is pricier, not me.. i think its cheaper

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Dagmar:

Yes, of course it's pricier. It's ALWAYS pricier for the first runs of ANYTHING that's not made entirely with off the shelf components.

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XLV:

that em soc seems a lot like off the self component

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Dagmar:

You go on and just keep this attitude of resentment towards things and people you don't understand, and you'll still be this ignorant in another 20 years.

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mzb_d800:

is this the sort of pointless argument you children typically enjoy on weekends? Or is this a special occasion?

[02:39:28]

rooaus:

XLV: Yeah, with NREs that run into the millions of dollars.

[02:39:44]

Dagmar:

mzb_d800: No, I think the wonderchild is trying to somehow trap me with my own words, because he can't figure out the long ones.

[02:39:48]

Dagmar:

...but I'm about done with it.

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mzb_d800:

great

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XLV:

Dagmar i dont have any resentment.. you seem a bit stressed though

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XLV:

i dont get resentments over sand and copper

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Dagmar:

I'm not stressed. I'm reading some fool go on about something he doesn't understand, telling me that I'm wrong about something I'm not saying.

[02:40:52]

Dagmar:

...and now I'm watching a passive-aggressive attack fail miserably.

[02:41:34]

Dagmar:

Here's a magic hint for you, man

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XLV:

i understand very well, you just keep on saying they have r&d cost to cover.. it may be true, but i still believe that a 50$ soc should be able to do hd and cover r&d, as nvidia and the likes will prove soon

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Dagmar:

You can pretty much be sure that any consumer device that isn't *clearly* aimed at the luxury market is NOT egregiously overpriced, and this is why...

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Dagmar:

Let's say Netgear was, in fact, chargine four times what they could have done

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Dagmar:

...and let's say that instead of the unit costing close to $300 in parts and technology, it was only $80.

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Dagmar:

...and it takes about 8 months to get something through the fabbing plants, into boxes, and to market.

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Dagmar:

They release their player device, D-Link sees it, realizes it only take $80 in hardware, and 8 months later comes out with one that costs $105.

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Dagmar:

Netgear is now F**KED.

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mzb_d800:

aren't hints supposed to be short? :)

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Dagmar:

...because they've got 8 months of inventory in the pipeline they can never move.

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mzb_d800:

(jk)

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XLV:

i didnt say netgear charges much, i said sigma design does.. and search a bit to see how long does this em soc is on the market

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Dagmar:

You did, very specifically, cite both Netgear and Dlink.

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XLV:

mzb_d800 another symptom of a compulsive ./ poster

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XLV:

Dagmar no, i sited them cause i see their brand on the device, i know very well wheres the problem with the cost

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mzb_d800:

XLV: he's made his point, however

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XLV:

the dlinks and netgears cant do much to lower it, cause they got lots of competition with each other

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XLV:

mzb_d800 i still fail to see it

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Dagmar:

"<XLV> wagnerrp hmm, we'll see.. depends on the price also.. dlink, netgear and the likes asking for 300 and 400$ for a hd capable media player gets a bit annoying"

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Dagmar:

Sure looks like you're complaining about the cosst of those

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mzb_d800:

XLV: yes, listening comes with maturity, I guess

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Dagmar:

Oh and yeah, didn't we already go over our sincere doubts that that little Korean unit is going to be able to do anything other than SD?

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XLV:

Dagmar now from that you concluded i blame the netgears and dlinks for the increased beyond normal as i think, cost?

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XLV:

pretty limited thinking

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Dagmar:

Let's not forget your insane assumption that "embedded == cheaper"

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XLV:

Dagmar hd decoding soc have been around for years now, maybe they dont have large market, which i doubt, so volume is low and the sigma designs of the world need to overcharge.. i am not talking about state of the art, first time in market of 10K pieces worldwide soc

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XLV:

Dagmar and even you i think you'll agree to that..

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Dagmar:

Only if your definition of "years" is "2 years" which is rather irrelevant

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XLV:

all those bd and hddvd players use them.. some 300K or more iirc pieces have sold worldwide.. its a large enough market

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Dagmar:

So, I'm tired of playing "shift the base".

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Dagmar:

You enjoy yourself in the ignore list.

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XLV:

thats mean

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Dagmar:

Maybe someday he'll find out how much it actually costs to build a chip fabbing plant, and then try and divide that into a number large enough to make the result $100.

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XLV:

sigma designs is a fabless manuf

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XLV:

some tsmc or other fab manuf makes their chip.. which isnt 45nm state of the art, most likely 130nm, made in the sticks of malaysia by now

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XLV:

so its not fab cost.. only r&d

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XLV:

unless you think sand and copper of some grams each cost that much

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mzb_d800:

>/dev/null

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XLV:

mzb_d800 probably.. or they could get relayed

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Dagmar:

No doubt.

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Dagmar:

Here we go...

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Dagmar:

"With system-level design built upon more than 10 generations of proven NVIDIA® GeForce® technology, " <-- one last clue

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clever:

Dagmar: guess what i did to my connection?

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Dagmar:

The chip might be going to market with a low price, but it's technology has already been paid for being the *sole* reason it was possible.

[03:06:07]

Dagmar:

clever: Wrapped a wad of tinfoil around one end?

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clever:

Dagmar: i switched fully to dialup:P

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clever:

7 computers now being NAT'd into 1 dialup line

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Dagmar:

I dunno man. I didn't keep notes about what the problem you had yesterday was.

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XLV:

Dagmar nvidia's chips got hd decode ( which is the goal here ) only recently.. the rest is a pretty standard soc, dont remember cpu arch but i think its arm

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Dagmar:

clever: So, it's a safe bet you're using squid then I guess

[03:07:15]

clever:

Dagmar: nope

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Dagmar:

Youo might wannas

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clever:

not needing it for the nating

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mzb_d800:

sneaker-net?

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clever:

squid wont help with 90% of my trafic

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Dagmar:

No, you'll need it to reduce redundant transfers

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Dagmar:

You'll also DEFINITELY want a caching named.

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clever:

im not using http right now

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clever:

not much at all

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clever:

i just switched from pppoe-start to wvdial

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clever:

on the router

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Dagmar:

With the latency of dialup going absolutely through the *roof* when a transfer is in progress, the simplest of caching nameds will give a huge subjective performance boost.

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Termina:

dnsmasq is nifty

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clever:

still using the bind server in cache and all my old firewall rules

[03:09:09]

clever:

but the pipe is alot smaller

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

but the bigger problem

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clever:

i used 10–20kb/sec normaly in up AND down

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clever:

im now not even using 5

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Dagmar:

A small caching named is one of those things you'll often find as a part of those campy "dialup accellerator" packages

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clever:

i allready had the dns caching going since i made the linux router

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Dagmar:

Ah, good.

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clever:

but now the dsl is out

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Termina:

Do you use something like wondershaper to help out latency?

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Termina:

I found that useful when I had dialup ^_^

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Dagmar:

I never have but he might

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clever:

Termina: i had tc shaping before on the dsl but it stoped working

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clever:

and i havent been able to fix it since

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clever:

Jul 26 23:42:23 localhost pppoe[16230]: Timeout waiting for PADO packets

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Dagmar:

Yer payin' for this DSL service, right?

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Termina:

wondershaper is nice, since you only need to set the speeds and it holds your hand for everything else :P

[03:10:56]

Termina:

also, it's on apt-get

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Dagmar:

Every time I approach that particular issue, I run into something that makes me mad

[03:11:36]

Dagmar:

...and that somehting is "how much upstream IS Comcast actually giving me?"

[03:11:44]

Dagmar:

...and Comcast can never give a straight answer.

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: i just used dsl reports a few times, but i know what you mean :/

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Dagmar:

..._and_ it freaking changes from week to week.

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fryfrog:

their speed is so inconsistant that using an kind of QoS is a pain in the ass

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Termina:

That sucks :(

[03:12:28]

fryfrog:

i think mine changes a lot based on time of day (obviously) and day to day even :/

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Dagmar:

Yeah, they really make me want to take a wiffle bat down there to their offices

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fryfrog:

or your gramma and a hammer :p

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Dagmar:

Oh I KNOW I'm seeing 40k max during the afternoons

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Dagmar:

There's a point they switch all the modem profiles over or something.

[03:13:49]

Dagmar:

...and when my downstream goes to 40, my up goes to 8.

[03:14:15]

Dagmar:

From looking at MRTG you'd think I'd hot-swapped a different network connection on

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Dagmar:

Every night when I get disconnected from Blizz's WoW servers, is another hour I devote to this problem

[03:15:30]

Dagmar:

...and the moment I see proof that their Sandvine is what's disconnecting me from the game servers, I'm going to the freakin media

[03:16:35]

Dagmar:

You don't play a game for years without issue and then suddenly get weird disconnection and latency in the same month as your ISP rolls out a highly questionable traffic "throttling" mechanism without getting a bit suspicious.

[03:16:55]

Termina:

xD

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Dagmar:

I mean, the thing regularly snaps my ssh sessions right in half

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Dagmar:

How naive would I have to be to think it wasn't also doing something to game traffic just because it's a long-lived TCP connection

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wagnerrp:

i would say roadrunner is doing the same thing to us at work

[03:20:06]

wagnerrp:

but i cant believe time warner would throttle business class cable

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wagnerrp:

i think the problem is more that we spend hundreds of thousands in computer hardware, test equipment, fuel, chemicals, but we dont spend a damn thing on our network

[03:21:54]

wagnerrp:

i sit next to an 800 node cluster, and our internet is provided by a daisy chain of consumer routers

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: prefer to wait until package arrives?

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: well, honestly my preferences is of course to have as much money as quickly as possible :)

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mzb_d800:

heh

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mzb_d800:

ok ... is email == paypal?

[03:26:33]

mzb_d800:

and I'll send you bad karma if not happy? ;) (jk)

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: is your email == paypal?

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Dagmar:

_Consumer_ routers?

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Dagmar:

Like, cheap stuff from CompUSA?

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Dagmar:

I feel for you.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, linksys, netgear, shit

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wagnerrp:

plus whatever POS cable modem/router TW gave us

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Dagmar:

Well, at least you've probably got a budget for hot spares

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Dagmar:

"petty cash"

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wagnerrp:

ive been using campus resources over the VPN (program license servers, access to technical papers)

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: will catch up with you later then ... have to get ready to go "out of town"

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wagnerrp:

but i cant use the vpn at work anymore because it drops in under 5 minutes

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wagnerrp:

so ive been writing at home

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: yes, paypal addy = gmail addy i used

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lyricnz:

Maaan, kde4 sucks

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lyricnz:

I can't believe they released this steaming pile'o'stink

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clever:

Dagmar: damnit:P

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clever:

the dialup cut out

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clever:

and was giving trouble reconnecting

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clever:

27 00:10:38 < Dagmar> Yer payin' for this DSL service, right?

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clever:

27 00:10:42 < clever> Dagmar: yes:P

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clever:

27 00:11:09 < clever> unlimited dsl AND about 4–5 hours of free dialup for 1 flat rate

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wagnerrp:

i had a friend who had an extra phone line, and ran dialup almost 24 hours a day

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wagnerrp:

after about a month, the phone company cut his 'unlimited' service, saying he had to buy their business dialup plan

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lyricnz:

fair 'nuff

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clever:

lol

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clever:

wagnerrp: i get charged heavily after i spend the couple hours i have

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clever:

but they havent had a problem with me using the dsl 24/7

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wagnerrp:

ah, i get unlimited dialup with my dsl

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wagnerrp:

supposedly

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clever:

my dsl is totaly dead

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clever:

red 'alert' light on the modem

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clever:

dad asking what ip the dsl modem has:P

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clever:

timeouts on the pppoe discovery

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wagnerrp:

cant just swap the modem?

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clever:

i swaped it out for a dialup modem

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clever:

scripts on the router dont care about the change

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wagnerrp:

no, you cant just swap your dsl modem?

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clever:

i dont have a 2nd dsl modem

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wagnerrp:

i go to one of my provider's branch offices, swap the modem for free, no questions asked

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clever:

its 1am

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clever:

i dont think its open right now

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wagnerrp:

well it wasnt several hours ago when your modem died... :P

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clever:

and i think its a signal problem

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clever:

nothing working at the provider end

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wagnerrp:

the 'alert' light typically isnt a signal issue

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clever:

the 'adsl link' is also dead

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clever:

theres also a db9 on the back

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wagnerrp:

well obviously if you have a hardware failure, denoted by the 'alert' light

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clever:

any kind of terminal/admin i can poke into to get real errors?

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wagnerrp:

what brand?

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clever:

wait i see half my problem

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clever:

i unpluged the phone line 5mins ago:P

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clever:

comtrend adsl modem ethernet

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wagnerrp:

never heard of it

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clever:

9186

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clever:

p/n 222401–532

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clever:

it seems to be acting identical to when i had the phone cord disconnected

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wagnerrp:

well if youve got serial port access, you probably have telnet access too

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clever:

it doesnt seem to have an ip

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wagnerrp:

assuming the provider didnt disable it

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wagnerrp:

so try a serial cable, and a terminal emulator

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clever:

ive only ever used pppoe to connect to it

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clever:

it seems to just be a dumb serial->pppoe converter

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clever:

with the serial going over the phone line

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clever:

then pppd is normaly ran over that serial link

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wagnerrp:

you connect to your modem over serial, rather than ethernet?

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clever:

it emulates a serial link thru the ethernet

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clever:

using pppoe protocol

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wagnerrp:

well anyway, plug the serial cable into it, and try a terminal emulator

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wagnerrp:

thats all it takes on my cisco modem

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clever:

the pppoe binary on linux speaks pppoe and ties it to a /dev/pts/X which then connects to a normal pppd

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clever:

yeah i just need to find my serial cables

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wagnerrp:

of course you have to get the connection protocols right

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clever:

i dont see them near the vt100 compatible terminal

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clever:

ugh

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clever:

noobs asking me 'does they banned ...'

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SHADOW__X:

hello everybody

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wagnerrp:

hello dr. nick!

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SHADOW__X:

hmm dont remember his otherlines

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SHADOW__X:

anything interesting happening?

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wagnerrp:

THERE'S BUTTER ON MY FACE!

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SHADOW__X:

well i got

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SHADOW__X:

BLISTERS ON ME FINGAS

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SHADOW__X:

!!!!!!

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SHADOW__X:

where is butter on my face from

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wagnerrp:

bash

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SHADOW__X:

hmm where

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wagnerrp:

bash.org

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

which number is butter

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wagnerrp:

10739

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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clever:

Dagmar: still about?

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SHADOW__X:

anyone got hvr-1800 analog working on a 2.6.24–19 vanilla kernel i have gotten it working on a 2.6.26 kernel but not this one

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SHADOW__X:

i think i has something to maybe do with my kernel but i dont really know

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Pavl1:

hello

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Pavl1:

please help me i need an information:

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wagnerrp:

ask away

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Pavl1:

i got a pc with these specs: mainboard asustek a7n8xe deluxe, 1 gb of ram, 200 gb of hard drive maxtor, and one svga ati 9550 with 256 mb of ram

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Pavl1:

i would like to know which svga can i insert to use the mythtv package

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wagnerrp:

what is an 'svga'?

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Pavl1:

i am arrived here from the links to the url of http://fsf.org

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Pavl1:

a card video

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wagnerrp:

any video card compatible with X11 can be used with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you would have a video card with XV support

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah was going to mention that

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wagnerrp:

that radeon should work with the fglrx drivers

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Pavl1:

i got only for output

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clever:

ive got a few cards that cant handle mythtv because they are attached to a 50mhz cpu:P

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Pavl1:

i can't insert antenna signal

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wagnerrp:

so you want a tuner card, thats different than a graphics card

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Pavl1:

from one dish antenna

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Pavl1:

yes a tuner card

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Pavl1:

which can i mount

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wagnerrp:

so you want to record off DishTV?

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Pavl1:

i want to see telly by Dish antenna

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Pavl1:

to have more channel than the normal television i got

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Pavl1:

with dish antenna normally we can have 3.000 channels

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Pavl1:

with a normal tuner to punt under a receiver for free air

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Pavl1:

with an earth signal only 69 channels are availables

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Pavl1:

i am tired to see programs that seems the same

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wagnerrp:

so you have a big satellite dish, and you want to record off it

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Pavl1:

i want to see, i am not interested to see 3.000 channels but when i got 100 channels i am haooy

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Pavl1:

happy

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Pavl1:

i am tired to see berlusconi everywhere

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Pavl1:

i hate him

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Pavl1:

i want to be free to see a program in english or deutch, without to see that ass face

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wagnerrp:

if you can get it to a TV, you can get it to mythtv

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wagnerrp:

you just get an analog capture card, and plug it into the outputs from your tuner box

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wagnerrp:

i dont know anything about PAL/DVB tuners, so i cant help beyond that

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Pavl1:

yes but i have not

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Pavl1:

one and i don't know which is good to insert in my pc

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Pavl1:

that possibly offer my the possibility to see sat programs

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Pavl1:

i found this name : technisat http://www.technisat.de

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Pavl1:

what do you think about this company if you just know it ?

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Pavl1:

what do you think about http://www.technisat.com/index381f.html?nav=P . . . ts,en,76-174

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Pavl1:

thank again of all

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Pavl1:

bye bye

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wagnerrp:

was that a troll, or just a confused soul?

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SHADOW__X:

abit of both

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SHADOW__X:

i had issue following the enguish

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SHADOW__X:

is direct tv offered anywhere else besides the states

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clever:

i had an idiot tonight asking 'does they banned ....'

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wagnerrp:

just a confused italian

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright

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SHADOW__X:

well clever does they banned?

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wagnerrp:

i believe he was talking about free-to-air

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clever:

SHADOW__X: how is that even valid english:P

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wagnerrp:

using a big 6' dish

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright listen clever most of the convos that take place here arent even remotely english

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clever:

yeah but atleast they make sense

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clever:

i kept telling the guy to speak english and he thought i didnt understand the ... part:P

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clever:

when i allready knew what the whole question meant and just didnt want to answer because of how stupid it looked

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SHADOW__X:

btw i am testing each driver treee independently then removing the install and trying another

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SHADOW__X:

of course but ya know check it out the avg iq is 100

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SHADOW__X:

mentally retarded is 70

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SHADOW__X:

to be honest that is way to close

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wagnerrp:

why?

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clever:

SHADOW__X: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/4ch . . . 7.jpg/_full_

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SHADOW__X:

that just speaks poorly for the people who DONT have a problem

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SHADOW__X:

why are people stupid wagnerrp because no one slayed them yet

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SHADOW__X:

clever: that we do

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clever:

people are getting in the way of natrual selection:P

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wagnerrp:

no, i mean why do you think 'retarded' should be at a lower IQ than 70

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clever:

remove the warning stickers from any unsafe hardware and youll let natrual selection fix everything

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wagnerrp:

clever: perhaps, but then you taint said hardware with blood and gore

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wagnerrp:

you have to spend time cleaning it

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wagnerrp:

and you know youll never get that smell off

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clever:

wagnerrp: i can just keep the dumb people out of my house

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clever:

then i wont have to clean the giant razor sharp fan i keep near the couch

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: i mean no disrespect to peole who actually have a mental problem or disease i am disrespecting the idiots who have an iq of 100 because they are dumbasses

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SHADOW__X:

and how sad that the majority of people have such a low iq

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wagnerrp:

ok, i dont deny that a IQ of 100 is pretty poor

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wagnerrp:

but thats just my point of view

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wagnerrp:

ever heard the concept that you cannot meaningfully socialize with anyone more than ~10 points away?

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wagnerrp:

100 is just low from your perspective

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SHADOW__X:

hmm no can not say that i have not

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wagnerrp:

either theyre below you, and you end up looking down on them

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wagnerrp:

or theyre above you, and you end up resenting them

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rooaus:

wagnerrp: That is the point of alcohol... it is the great leveler.

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wagnerrp:

true

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

now i dont know if 10 is the right number, its more fuzzy than that, but its still a valid concept

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SHADOW__X:

hmm whats the name of said concept

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wagnerrp:

dont know off hand

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SHADOW__X:

smart people cant associate with ardtards?

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SHADOW__X:

as per mister garrison

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wagnerrp:

its not so much as that

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wagnerrp:

more that you cannot view them as an equal

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SHADOW__X:

oh

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

you can be friends when you feel like being stupid

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SHADOW__X:

i just thought i was overtly bitter towards idiots

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wagnerrp:

i.e. dring, screw around

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wagnerrp:

*drink

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wagnerrp:

but as far as work together, it just doesnt work

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i see what your saying

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wagnerrp:

something above you, you cant get anything done because you cant keep up

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wagnerrp:

someone below you, you get frustrated because they cant do anything

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

this blows clever

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SHADOW__X:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/jee . . . 3.JPG/_full_

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clever:

SHADOW__X: 1 guy went thru the ice

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i saw that

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clever:

so paul wanted to show off at how the ice was nothing

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clever:

he went in nose first

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clever:

and went under the ice

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SHADOW__X:

did you guys recover the truck

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clever:

had to dig the winch out from under several large blocks before we could even start to free him

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clever:

we allways get the stuff out in the end

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright

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SHADOW__X:

did the motor still turn over or the intake didnt see water

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clever:

the motor was never shut off

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clever:

and the tail pipe was just bubling away the whole while

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SHADOW__X:

yeah but if it saw water it would stall

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wagnerrp:

at least its a real jeep, and theres nothing on there to really get damaged by water/mud

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wagnerrp:

maybe some new seats

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/jee . . . 129_2953.JPG

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clever:

he has since done major upgrades to the jeep

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clever:

the floor is now 2–3 feet in the air allmost

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SHADOW__X:

yeah but if he accelerated then stopped the loss the backpressure would fill the exhaust wouldnt it

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clever:

you allmost need a ladder to get inside

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clever:

you can sit upright under it

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clever:

you never need a jack to work under the thing

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SHADOW__X:

hmm thats good

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dustybin:

clever: is that you with the cap

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clever:

dustybin: nope thats my dad

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dustybin:

aye ok

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clever:

i think i was the one taking all those pics

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dustybin:

dam

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clever:

so youll only see me if theres a mirror

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dustybin:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/jee . . . 4.JPG/_full_

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dustybin:

whos the guy with the hat

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dustybin:

black hat

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clever:

thats paul

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clever:

the one with the black hat

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dustybin:

you take pictures of EVERYTHING!!

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clever:

we have several gig on that CF card in the camera now

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wagnerrp:

well its for posterity

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wagnerrp:

or perhaps mockery of the guy with the jeep

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clever:

it can hold over 200 images at 100% quality

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SHADOW__X:

only 200?

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dustybin:

nice rack

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dustybin:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/net . . . 2.jpg/_full_

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SHADOW__X:

how many mp

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SHADOW__X:

MP*

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wagnerrp:

very clean

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clever:

over 200

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clever:

i dont remember the exact number

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clever:

isnt mine

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clever:

i just found it online

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/net . . . ble-wall.jpg thru it up with the messy ones like this

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/network/060811_4.jpg and this

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dustybin:

bloody heck

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dustybin:

do data centres have walls like that

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wagnerrp:

what is that?

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clever:

wagnerrp: a wall of ethernet cables

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wagnerrp:

well obviously

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wagnerrp:

but what for

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/net . . . k.jpg/_full_ this one looks more real

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clever:

no idea

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2806_001.jpg

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dustybin:

clever: do you often fantasize of images like that?

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clever:

tower of towers!

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wagnerrp:

that cluster looks more like mine

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clever:

i dont think so:P

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wagnerrp:

although we dont have the KVM

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wagnerrp:

network and power only

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clever:

sounds like my 'media' system

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clever:

which had only ethernet/power/usb(hdd) for a while

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dustybin:

i didnt realise data centres use normal PC towers for servers? i thought it was all rack mounted?

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clever:

but i had to go into the bios to try and play with the irq

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wagnerrp:

plus theyre all slim desktops

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clever:

dustybin: depends on the costs id think

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/pc' . . . 2806_010.jpg

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: what do you do with your cluster

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clever:

when i was putting together my linux router

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clever:

i collected every unused box i owned

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clever:

and raped them for every removable part

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wagnerrp:

computational fluid dynamics

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SHADOW__X:

ah sweet

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dustybin:

clever: you rape your boxes? :-o

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SHADOW__X:

whats the bandwidth requirements

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clever:

dustybin: i removed every single cord/drive/stick/cable i could remove

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clever:

and sorted them all out

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wagnerrp:

oh yeah baby, the floppy drives, you know it

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clever:

http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/couchdesk

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dustybin:

clever: i wont ask how you sorted them out :)

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW__X: we just use gigabit ethernet at the moment

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clever:

ive only got 100mbit here

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clever:

for awhile i had the dsl modem at the end of a 20foot cheap extension cord

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dustybin:

clever: do you sometimes build machines with your spare bits

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wagnerrp:

in performance increase for higher bandwidth networking isnt worth the cost

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok i have been very interested in clusters i like the overall design of the architecture

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clever:

but i moved it tonight to see if it would fix anything

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clever:

its now at the end of a 20 foot ethernet cord

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SHADOW__X:

whats processors are you running

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wagnerrp:

oh, we have no internet, offline only

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clever:

with a much shorter phone line

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wagnerrp:

250 P4 3GHz, 128 A64 2GHz, 128 A64 X2 2.4GHz, 165 C2D 2.4GHz

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dustybin:

will mythweb one day support your photo gallery?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm sounds great

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clever:

several under 1ghz, 1ghz, 1.6ghz 1.6ghz 2.9ghz c2d1.8ghz and others

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SHADOW__X:

what os and what cluster software

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wagnerrp:

linux, diskless NFS boot, ganglia and PBS/Torque

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SHADOW__X:

sounds good

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive got some nfs booting systems but they are a tad slow to boot

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clever:

it just sits there waiting for the dhcp for 30 seconds at certain stages

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wagnerrp:

well we never turn ours off, except in the event of a power failure

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clever:

i cant edit my dads work laptop hdd

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clever:

so i netboot the thing to steal his c2d 1.8ghz cpu

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dustybin:

mythweb needs a gallery module, it can does music, video, weather, everything apart from your gallery

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clever:

it transcodes mythtv recordings damn fast

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SHADOW__X:

awhile ago i had enough time to setup a cluster but i wanted folding@home to look at all the processors using the built in smp client but it would only let me run more cores instead of adjusting

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clever:

SHADOW__X: i also run boinc on all my nfs systems

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clever:

i have a seperte client dir at /home/boinc/`hostname`/

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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clever:

and they all get the hostname from dhcp which sets it based on mac

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dustybin:

clever: do you use LVM

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SHADOW__X:

i just want a big folding at home r endering farm so i ican gauge speed increases but i dont like how the core works with a cluster

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clever:

dustybin: yep

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SHADOW__X:

or atleast the one i tried

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clever:

VG #PV #LV #SN Attr VSize VFree

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clever:

mainvg 5 10 0 wz--n- 471.46G 2.00G

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wagnerrp:

our cores are complete beasts

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SHADOW__X:

have you worked with folding in a cluster environment

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wagnerrp:

our cluster is wholly offline, so distributed computing projects are relatively worthless for us

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dustybin:

how do googles clusters work

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clever:

ask google:P

[07:52:11]

wagnerrp:

thats the billion dollar question

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dustybin:

its top secret

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SHADOW__X:

mhm

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SHADOW__X:

they are intelligent enough to load balance and not lose data when nodes are taken offline afaik

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clever:

wagnerrp: i worked on cracking a captcha a few months ago

[07:54:14]

clever:

i was doing a purely logical attack based on how the text in the image was generated

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clever:

which was open source

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clever:

brute forcing the 64 character 'secret' which is basicaly a password

[07:55:03]

clever:

it will never work:P

[07:55:20]

clever:

assuming i used over 200 million computers

[07:55:32]

clever:

it would still take several billion times the age of the universe

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SHADOW__X:

there are better ways to go about it

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SHADOW__X:

not that i know of any

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clever:

yes i found one

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wagnerrp:

captchas are completely worthless

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clever:

its so stupid

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wagnerrp:

all you have to do is tie your bot into a porn site

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clever:

i can now crack that with a single static url

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wagnerrp:

people solve your captchas for free porn

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wagnerrp:

its a win-win

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clever:

seen that idea before

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wagnerrp:

free labor

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clever:

the text in the image is generated by using a random and secret

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clever:

the random has to be passed with my answer to reproduce the text on the server side

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clever:

the idiot put it in a <input type=hidden>

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clever:

so i can just saw 'screw you heres the answer for random=000000'

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clever:

and the site lets me in

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SHADOW__X:

alright i am off for tonight

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wagnerrp:

ditto

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clever:

its so simple

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wagnerrp:

i have to wake up in four hours to drive my sister to work

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clever:

i spent several days of solid processing

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clever:

to break a problem i solved in 60 seconds:P

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clever:

and the admins still havent fixed it

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SHADOW__X:

and as an update cx23885 cx23885-merged -io2ctl main v4l-dvb tree hasnt worked for me on 2.24.19 kernel on ubuntu 8.04

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SHADOW__X:

i will try more tomorrow

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SHADOW__X:

unless i am donig something wrong

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SHADOW__X:

it works ootb on kernel 2.26

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SHADOW__X:

gn

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dustybin:

this might benefit anyones health

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dustybin:

http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/31-simple-wa . . . le16072.html

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dustybin:

i really do think mythweb should use ticks to delete recordings

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dustybin:

at the moment my disk is full of crap, ideally it would be nice to select everything

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dustybin:

then untick the stuff i want

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dustybin:

then bang

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dustybin:

its a LONG process deleting every single recording manually

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H3:

dustybin, agreed

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dustybin:

a mythweb gallery module and ticks / select all to delete recordings

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dustybin:

maybe some kind of module what works with mythstream, imagine i was at work and i wanted to listen to a internet radio station but my works firewall stops me from doing that, instead i log into mythweb / mythstream module, then click on the radio station and wham bam

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dustybin:

but mythstream isnt a offical plugin so i doubt that would ever happen

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rooaus:

dustybin: Have you tried deleting from the frontend? You can add all recordings in a recording group to a playlist then delete the playlist.

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rooaus:

Although check boxes in mythweb would be cool :)

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dustybin:

ok

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madadam:

I'm a starter user, can you help me to set the initial configuration?

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madadam:

I've not a database in a machine in my network

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madadam:

I would use mythtv just to watch tv by my express card tv tuner

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madadam:

is it possible?

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matsahm:

Hello, is there such a channel in German?

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massi:

guys I need help: I ve got this error on my first mythtv-setup run: Cannot find (ping) database host on the network

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black_Nightmare_:

massi I think almost the whole channel is asleep-at-keyboard, maybe wait for a while and try again later ok?

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massi_:

ok black_Nightmare_ :)

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massi_:

thx

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black_Nightmare_:

heh sorry I couldn't help massi ;) not much into network issues myself here

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massi_:

actually i m noob you know

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black_Nightmare_:

did you already try the faq re networking I presume?

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massi_:

yes, I was following the manual. Now I ll take a look at the FAQ

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black_Nightmare_:

ok...if still nothing then well just wait here for a while like I suggested ;)

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massi_:

ok thx black_Nightmare_:)

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rooaus:

massi_: Is the database on the same machine or a different one?

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massi_:

rooaus: I use just 1 machine I dont know nothing about database but I have just 1 PC

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massi_:

i ve never used mysql

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rooaus:

Did you install from source or packages?

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massi_:

I followed many 3d on web I ve tried to run: /etc/init.d/mysqld status

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massi_:

i installed packages via synaptic

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massi_:

and I did netstat and mysql is listening on port 0

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massi_:

but I ve never created databases of any kind

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rooaus:

The database should have been configured if synaptic did it job correctly.

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massi_:

how can I check it?

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wagnerrp:

listening on port 0?

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massi_:

tcp 0

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wagnerrp:

well port 0 is a non existent port

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wagnerrp:

maybe thats the file socket

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massi_:

I dont know what file socket is sorry

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wagnerrp:

locally, you can access mysql though /tmp/mysql.sock

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wagnerrp:

its a data socket

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massi_:

ok wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

open a terminal, and try 'mysql -hlocalhost -umythtv -pmythtv'

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massi_:

with sudo priority?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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massi_:

ok

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wagnerrp:

youre accessing a network service

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt care what user youre running as

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wagnerrp:

anything?

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massi_:

I ve got error 1045 (28000): Access denied for user "mythtv@locahost" (using password yes)

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wagnerrp:

try using the machine IP

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wagnerrp:

instead of localhost

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massi_:

ok

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massi_:

i ve got error 1130

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wagnerrp:

which is?

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massi_:

host 192.168.0.128 is not allowed to connect to this Mysql server

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massi_:

am I here

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wagnerrp:

well for whatever reason, it seems your mysql server is only accepting local connections

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have to fix that before you can proceed

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wagnerrp:

not sure where that would be

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massi_:

anyway it s a starting point

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xand:

it's set that way by default on many distros

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massi_:

thx wagnerrp

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xand:

(which is a good thing)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know about that

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massi_:

but the strange thing is I m local guys

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massi_:

xand: u know how to fix it?

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wagnerrp:

you can set up mythtv to just access the server through localhost, but its better to use a real IP

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massi_:

actually i dont know how to do it wagnerrp

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xand:

massi_: yes, etc /etc/mysql/my.cnf and comment out the line bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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massi_:

double etc?

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xand:

erm

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massi_:

ok

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xand:

I meant to say "edit" :|

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massi_:

sorry xand

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massi_:

anyway I ve to comment bind-address = 127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

just add a '#' at the front of the line

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massi_:

yes

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massi_:

I looking for this letter :D

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massi_:

do it

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xand:

left of Return or shift-3

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xand:

probably

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massi_:

well my keyb was misconfigurated by installing mythbuntu-desktop

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massi_:

so i did it. I ve to repeat mythtv-setup?

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wagnerrp:

well second, i dont believe your database is set up properly either

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wagnerrp:

the first command i gave you should have worked if it were

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massi_:

i ll repart

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wagnerrp:

go to the wiki, and the user manual, initial installation

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wagnerrp:

check out the section 'setup mysql database mythconverg'

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massi_:

wagnerrp: ok thanks

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massi_:

xand: thanks

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wagnerrp:

once you get the database working, you should be able to run mythtv-setup

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massi_:

anyway thanks to you now I understood the problem so it will be easyer to fix

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wagnerrp:

the whole thing about using an IP as opposed to 'localhost'...

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wagnerrp:

you can use 'localhost' for everything if you only ever want to use a single machine on mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if you ever want to have a second frontend, everything has to be a real IP

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wagnerrp:

or backend, or anything connected to mythtv

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massi_:

actually now I d like to uses mythtv just in 1 pc but I have a laptop

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massi_:

it d be great to use it on all my home :)

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massi_:

nyway i tried your first commandline

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massi_:

and i ve got the same error "192....." is not allowed to connect to this mysql server

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wagnerrp:

actually, that was the error from the second command

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massi_:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

you havent yet restarted the server after fooling with the config file

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massi_:

no

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wagnerrp:

do so

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massi_:

o

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massi_:

k

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massi_:

i restarted it said cheking for corrupt, not cleanly close and upgrade needing table

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wagnerrp:

no idea why that would be

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massi_:

nothing i ve got acced denied for user "mythtv@localhost" (usingpassword yes)

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wagnerrp:

did you run /usr/share/mythtv/database/mc.sql like the wiki said?

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massi_:

sory wagnerrp i cant find your page on mythtv page

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massi_:

so I didnt

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massi_:

could u grab that link pls?

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wagnerrp:

on the front page of the wiki, scroll down to the list of things at the bottom, user manual

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wagnerrp:

sorry, im on vnc and cant copy and paste

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massi_:

ok

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massi_:

thx

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rooaus:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2

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massi_:

thc rooaus

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wagnerrp:

that works too

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clever:

rooaus: you saw the pdf link i posted?

[13:43:00]

wagnerrp:

different page, similar information

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rooaus:

clever: no... lemme look

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black_Nightmare_:

which vnc are you on wagnerrp?

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massi_:

i m working on..

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wagnerrp:

tight

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black_Nightmare_:

just wondering because the few I've seen allowed remote-to-local clipboards usually

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black_Nightmare_:

ah hm not heard of that one sorry

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wagnerrp:

clipboard should be working

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wagnerrp:

i know ive used clipboards from/to windows

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clever:

clipboard in vnc on linix is tricky

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black_Nightmare_:

hm yeah

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clever:

because linux has 2 clipboards

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wagnerrp:

but from windows to freebsd doesnt seem to be working

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clever:

the select and middle click one in X itself

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clever:

then the ctrl+c and rightclick->copy in complex programs like gnome

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wagnerrp:

actually, i just tried middle click, and it worked

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clever:

thats the only clipboard i use 99% of the time

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wagnerrp:

but its not working the opposite way

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clever:

to be able to paste it

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clever:

you need to keep the text selected most of the time

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clever:

and xterm sometimes unselects the text(clearing the clipboard) when it scrolls

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** black_Nightmare_ kinda hates that clipboard used by newer Office's at times ... copy&paste something then later copy something else and try paste it only to see that its pasting the first item and not your current one you wanted for some reason :| **

[13:47:13]

wagnerrp:

yeah, if i need to copy something multiple times, its easier to just do it all at once, or reselect the original text, rather than search through the 'clipboard history'

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black_Nightmare_:

aye

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massi_:

nothing i m getting ever the error: I run mysql < mc.sql and it gimme access denied for user "@localhost to database 'mythtv'

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clever:

mysql -p < mc.sql

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wagnerrp:

you need to do that as root '-uroot -p'

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clever:

or that

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massi_:

enter password? which one?

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wagnerrp:

not as system root, but as mysql root

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wagnerrp:

your mysql root password

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massi_:

which one is on mysql.txt?

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wagnerrp:

no

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wagnerrp:

if you dont know what it is, try no password (omit the -p)

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massi_:

ok

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massi_:

acces denied

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massi_:

so i need to rediscover pass

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black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp at least if there's one thing I do sometimes like at times is when the os lets you preview the clipboard (well or thats the case with os9 and bsd for me here)

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black_Nightmare_:

anyway I'm going off for now, want work more on this av mess :p

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nrg:

hi anyone here?

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massi_:

WOW guys!! mysql -uroot -p <mc.sql WORK!!

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massi_:

then can I run mythtv-setup?

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massi_:

yeah it s starting!!! thanks at all!!

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black_Nightmare_:

I know that amount of ram probably depends on several different things at once but still .. just asking anyhow but any ballpoint idea on free hd capacity needed for say six full (don't know if ads could be flagged or not so assuming latter for now) 1hr tv shows at mpeg1/320x240/15fps?

[14:43:12]

nrg:

anyone know how to setup the remote that comes with Hauppauge HVR-4000 to fully work with Myth?

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nrg:

i setup lircd already with the script in the linuxtv.org wiki and the 4 arrow and number keys work

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nrg:

but that's it

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wagnerrp:

at that low resolution and framerate, you can probably get by with ~400MB/hr

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wagnerrp:

but why would you want to

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nrg:

menu, guide and other keys on the remote do not work

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nrg:

FYI, i use the lircd.conf posted at the bottom of http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-4000

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black_Nightmare_:

well isn't the res usually what ntsc channels airs as?

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black_Nightmare_:

and thanks... I'll start with 400MB/hr just to get an idea of how much I could stuff onto a budget oem 2.5" hd ;)

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wagnerrp:

broadcast quality is ~640x480 @ 60i

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wagnerrp:

so youre running at 1/8th quality

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black_Nightmare_:

ohh meh

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black_Nightmare_:

must had been a long time

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black_Nightmare_:

(well I mean...I had thought it was 320x240 for many years)

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wagnerrp:

effective VCR resolution is somewhere around there

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wagnerrp:

depending on the speed

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black_Nightmare_:

either way thanks wagnerrp (and for correcting one little misinfo I've had for a while too)

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what the horizontal resolution is off hand

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wagnerrp:

but its 525 scanlines

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wagnerrp:

when you account for VBI and other data, its 486 vertical lines

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black_Nightmare_:

you mind if I ask if you have any other means outside mythtv for recording/watching or its pretty much the only box you got?

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wagnerrp:

i have two VCRs

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black_Nightmare_:

you into any game consoles or not really interested?

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wagnerrp:

PS3

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SpaceBass:

hey folks

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black_Nightmare_:

me into a mix of old and new things in two different places but hm to put what I have now in short: 2 vcrs, one svhs vcr, composite snes, dreamcast, 2 desktops' tv-out, broken dvd deck to still get rid of, friends' component ps2, svideo-out laptop (slideshow/movie sharing to 2+ people from a 10" laptop you know)

[15:05:22]

wagnerrp:

oh, my laptop records video as well, forgot about that

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SpaceBass:

I have one of those "can myth do X" questions – I'm looking for a way to automatically transcode files that are downloaded via a bitcatching server ... is myth an apporprate solution or overkill?

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black_Nightmare_:

heh well this laptop isn't really suited to recording (its just good at playing back vcd/svcd's from external cdrom at the most)

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wagnerrp:

bitcatching?

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SpaceBass:

wagnerrp, automatically downloaded video content

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black_Nightmare_:

which of I think I need to get fresh AA batteries for the cdrom soon .. the ones in it are starting to get a bit too old :/

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wagnerrp:

well if you can record it through mythtv, you can automatically transcode it with ease

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SpaceBass:

wagnerrp, not going to do any capturing on this box ...just need want to automate the transcoding of files

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wagnerrp:

well you would need some script to automatically seed them into the mythtv database

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wagnerrp:

at which point the script may as well do the transcoding itself

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SpaceBass:

ah

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black_Nightmare_:

either way I'm still not decided at this point but the mythtv box might be epia EN15000G or EX15000G .. still trying to browse through the many long choices of microatx's in case any actually suits me

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black_Nightmare_:

anyway I'm off for now again ;)

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TheAsp:

Is there a known problem with bdremote (ps3 remote daemon) under Hardy?

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SHADOW__X:

hey guys

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SHADOW__X:

i am actually having mythtv issue now

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SHADOW__X:

i play a recording

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SHADOW__X:

and when i try and use the remote it gives me alot of lag

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SHADOW__X:

then eventually the control presses go in

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riddlebox:

man the mediamvp is awesome!

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mastergourd:

Hello, I have a small problem with using mytharchive, and I can't find an answer after much seaching of the mailing list threads and google.

[16:41:33]

mastergourd:

I need to stop the native file export function from trying to create a directory name based on the show title everytime it copies one of the files over.

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mastergourd:

Some shows have a colon in the title, and this breaks the directory creation. I sending these files to a Windows file share.

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mastergourd:

I could just manually copy the files over, but it is nice to have mytharchive generate the xml data file as well, to organize and rename the episodes later.

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sphery:

mastergourd: Best bet is to post a message to mythtv-users mailing list. Paul Harrison (MythArchive guy) will likely then change the way it creates directories to account for the Windows-disallowed characters.

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sphery:

He's probably never considered that people are using a Samba/Windows share for the temp files.

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mastergourd:

Ok, I will suggest it. Thanks.

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sphery:

Might not hurt to mention that mythrename.pl is accounting for the characters: \ : * ? < > | "

[16:53:46]

sphery:

Think that's the whole list of chars that various Windows versions don't like.

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mastergourd:

Ok. Just to clarify, this is the final output directory, not the temp, that is on the windows share. I do have the temp residing on the local fs.

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mastergourd:

I will mention the character set as well, thanks.

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victor__:

I have a problem: Myth TV is able to scan channels for my digital Kworld ATSC 120 Tuner, but will not play them

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SHADOW__X:

does it not lock on the channel

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SHADOW__X:

are you trying to test on local broadcast channels

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SHADOW__X:

?

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erollll:

hi mate, i have problem with skystar hd, i patched multiproto, everything is compiling ok, whene i use mythtv-setup and scan, mythtv crash, what is wrong, can u help me anybody ?

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sphery:

mastergourd: Oh, sorry. I don't know MythArchive, so I just assumed it was a temp thing.

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sphery:

Either way, Paul should be able to fix it up with substitutions, like mythrename.pl does.

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AngryElf:

when I go to mythweb I'm getting a file download for application/x-httpd.php

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AngryElf:

php works and is installed, even in my mythweb directory

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Dagmar:

AngryElf: You need to read the readme and set it up correctly

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webvictim:

you'll probably need to modify your apache config

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Dagmar:

YOu don't have PHP enabled for that directory somehow

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AngryElf:

Dagmar: <? phpinfo();?> in some file in myhtweb works

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mastergourd:

sphery: Oh, sorry, that's ok. You still gave me a great clue. I looked at mythrename.pl, and it does have an illegal character replacement option. Right now I am trying see if and how mytharchive calls this script.

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Dagmar:

Hi. This is me not caring about whatever you're saying in response.

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Dagmar:

The fact that it ISN'T working is pretty much on my side here, dude.

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mastergourd:

sphery: If it does, I can just change its options.

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AngryElf:

well i dont recall explicitly disallowing php to work for every file except one

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Dagmar:

If Apache is trying to have you *download the file* then it's NOT aware it should be *running* that script

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Dagmar:

Are you *including the mythweb.conf that came with mythweb in your Apache config?*

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AngryElf:

yes

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sphery:

mastergourd: MythArchive doesn't call mythrename.pl. I was just mentioning it since it has already been written to replace Windows-illegal characters, so it's an example of what needs done in MythArchive.

[17:16:26]

mastergourd:

sphery: Sorry, I did miss the line above about fixing it up. Then I figured that out. Thanks.

[17:16:29]

Dagmar:

Looks like your distro's apache is broken then

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AngryElf:

is there an alternate download site since myhtv.org appears to be down right now?

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Dagmar:

AngryElf: Before you go on some epic search for a different tarball or something, _recheck_ your config for pete's sake

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Dagmar:

I have been building MythWeb into an installable Slackware package for about a year now, and the ONLY thing that's necessary to make it go is for that mythweb.conf to get included (and I don't mean cut and paste it in) in through the httpd.conf, and that the Directory specified therin is *actually* where you have it installed.

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Dagmar:

It's dead simple.

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Dagmar:

Anything more than that, it will complain about

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Dagmar:

...and by "more" I mean permissions on the data directory and setting the db login info

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Dagmar:

...which isn't much.

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reind:

I currently have an Asus P5e-vm-hdmi and i have over/underscan problems. I'm thinking of buying a vid card with hdmi output. Are nvidia or ati cards better supported (and no overscan issues – im a bit worn down trying unsuccessfully dealing with these on onboard intel)

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Dagmar:

reind: If you want to avoid overscan, use the VGA input on your TV.

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janneg:

reind: if you're using the the hdmi output your tv/monitor/flatscreen/plasma/lcd is to blame

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reind:

Dagmar: that's what im doing now.

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reind:

would think there should be a reasonable way of compensating though. Read some ppl who had this problem had some success (they were using nvidia based card). No luck with my intel chipset from what ive seen. Havent read much from ati users though

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janneg:

reind: you don't want to compensate, you want a display that displays the pixels one to one

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janneg:

reind: it would be helpful if you could describe your problem more precise

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reind:

janneg: right. I dont know much about what causes overscan (that's where the desktop is larger than the visible area, right?), but

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janneg:

yes, that's overscan, most likely caused by the display

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Dagmar:

reind: If you're using the VGA input on your TV, they generally do *not* do *any* overscan because they assume they're being used as a monitor.

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reind:

display is a samsung 32" LCD. Works well with cablebox,xbox 360,etc (hdmi)

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you should be more specific about the "issues" you're having, or you should configure the Xorg output to use the natice resolution of the display

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Dagmar:

s/natice/native/;

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reind:

Dagmar: the vga works well. I'd rather use hdmi though bc it would save an extra (exposed) cable

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Dagmar:

I'm guessing it's 1366x768.

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Dagmar:

reind: Then you won't have any real control over your overscan.

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reind:

Dagmar: yep, but my onboard intel chipset will not output that res over hdmi

[17:33:03]

Dagmar:

HD doesn't require overscan anyway

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Dagmar:

reind: Then you should either get used to having two cables (OMG NOOOOOES!) or buy a video card that doesn't suck

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reind:

was hoping i could get a suggestion for another vid card that wouldn't have this issue (cant replace the tv)

[17:33:42]

Dagmar:

There's docs on the wiki about getting Intel cards to do very specific resolutions.

[17:33:45]

reind:

Dagmar: yep, any suggestions on the later?

[17:33:48]

Dagmar:

nVidia.

[17:34:03]

Dagmar:

Anything in the neighborhood of a 5200 or 6200

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Dagmar:

Or break out the TV manual and/or call Samsung and find out if there's some way to turn it's overscan compensation OFF

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Dagmar:

"working around" overscan built into the TV is simply going to result in a *worse* picture.

[17:35:47]

reind:

Dagmar: ah, didnt know that (workaround = bad picture)

[17:36:38]

janneg:

nvidia has tons of override parameters for buggy edid, or wait for CEA edid parsing (that's an extension used by many TVs)

[17:36:39]

Dagmar:

The TV will be rescaling to add overscan it shouldn't, and then you'd have to be zooming the image to coutneract that. Yes, that's going to result in image degradation.

[17:37:35]

reind:

i wonder if it's my vid card that doesnt want to output 1366x768 over hdmi or if the tv just expects 1280x720... i'm thinking it's probably the tv

[17:37:39]

Dagmar:

You could also check the intel docs and make sure ther'es no overscan it's doing for HDMI that you can turn off

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Dagmar:

reind: Okay, you can stop right there then.

[17:37:57]

Dagmar:

You don't know what resolution that display actually is.

[17:38:00]

Dagmar:

You need to *find out*

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reind:

well...over vga it's 1366x768. the edid accepts 1280x720 (AFAIK), and the desktop looks larger, so ..

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Dagmar:

EDID doesn't "accept" anything.

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Dagmar:

EDID reports what a display is capable of.

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reind:

rather it specifies

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reind:

right

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Dagmar:

It does not report multiple resolutions.

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Dagmar:

If your EDID is coming back saying 1280x720, then either your display is actually 1280x720 or your EDID is wrong/broken and you should contact Samsung.

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reind:

hm. not sure how to determine which it is

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janneg:

reind: the technical specifications of the display should mention the native display resolution

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reind:

will do

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AngryElf:

Dagmar: I read what you said above — i checked the config out – I even added some crap to my myhtweb.conf and restarted apache and sure enough it errored — so it's loading the right file, and yes, it's pointing to /var/www/mythweb which is actually where mythweb is installed — it's not even erroring on the php_value commands in myhtweb.conf, so I'm betting php is loaded up fine....in other words, I have no idea what the heck is wr

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Dagmar:

AngryElf: Time to shoot that Apache in the face then.

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Dagmar:

....or look at what server-info is saying it's reading

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

hi

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

finally i got mythtv compiled ;d — But it cant connect to my mysql db. I enter the data (port 3306, name, pw) after staring mythbackend, but it stops with an error ( http://pastebin.com/m6fcd5244 )

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

ah, found the error

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

libqt3-mt-mysql wasnt installed

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Dagmar:

Kopfgeldjaeger: For future reference, and in case you're ever trying to help someone ask, that's _always_ what "2008-07–27 19:54:20.968 No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." means

[18:15:21]

Kopfgeldjaeger:

i did not see the message – i mean, i didnt realize what the letters meant

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Dagmar:

No problme

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Dagmar:

It's not entirely obvious

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Dagmar:

I half think I should submit a patch that changes that verbiage to "YOU DON'T HAVE THE QT-MYSQL BINDINGS INSTALLED. FIXOR IT."

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stuarta:

go for it

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test34:

mythtv.org down ?

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

but i already got new problems ;) I cant search for new channels (I added my TT3200 dvb card) – channel search is greyed out

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stuarta:

hmmm. website does look a bit sick

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

here 2 screenshots: tv-card settings: http://nicolaispohrer.dyndns.org/2008-07-27-20-20.png | channel menu (Sendersuchlauf is channel search): http://nicolaispohrer.dyndns.org/2008-07-27-20-21.png

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teprrr:

hello, can anyone point me out why the configure script from trunk wants to say that xvmc is not enabled.. I'm using nvidia's own driver, XVideo-MotionCompensation is loaded to X server, I've passed --enable-xvmc, --xvmc-lib=XvMCNVIDIA and possibly other related flags to the script

[18:31:44]

teprrr:

but nevertheless it just says "no" for xvmc support :I

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Dagmar:

You didn't need to tell it the --xvmc-lib part

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Dagmar:

--enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl is about all you have to say to it

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iamlindoro:

and make sure /etc/X11/XvMCConfig points to the right library

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Dagmar:

Or just delete that file because you don't needd it.

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teprrr:

iamlindoro, yup, it does that already..

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teprrr:

Dagmar, hrm, --enable-xvmc-opengl can't be used with nvidia's xvmc lib?

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Dagmar:

That's not what I said.

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stuarta:

there can be only one

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Dagmar:

There's noting special that you have to do about the nVidia driver.

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Dagmar:

*Nothing8.

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Dagmar:

...but there IS a pretty fatal bug that will manifest if you try to enable that particular feature.

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teprrr:

hrm. now I have --enable-xvmc and --disable-xvmc-opengl, but doesn't seem to work

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Dagmar:

"doesn't seem to work" is not specific enough. Try again.

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teprrr:

hmm, I'm missing libxvmc's headers at least

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teprrr:

yup, works fine now. thanks :)

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stuarta:

ah the old missing -devel packages

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teprrr:

stuarta, yup. the configure script isn't very verbose about missing devel packages

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teprrr:

I've made earlier two patches to inform user about missing deps :P

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Kopfgeldjaeger:

hmpf, myth-setup crashed while importing a channels.conf (i think I couldnt specify the right seperator : )...

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stuarta:

no different to other configure scripts to be fair

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teprrr:

stuarta, well, at least kde's scripts are verbose about what is missing :)

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** stuarta shrugs **

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teprrr:

huh?

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teprrr:

should the buildsystem automatically append -L/usr/lib for gcc?

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stuarta:

i believe gcc does that anyway

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teprrr:

apparently it doesn't find my libXvMCNVIDIA

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teprrr:

yup, that's what I thought too..

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Dagmar:

Maybe I wasn't explicit enough before.

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Dagmar:

You DO NOT need to care about that library.

[18:49:32]

Dagmar:

Linking directly to it would be wrong anyway.

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Dagmar:

IGNORE that it says nothing about the nVidia-specific version of the library.

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teprrr:

huh, ok, will remove --xvmc-lib from my config opts then

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Dagmar:

Yeah, so it's nice to know that you didn't completely ignore me 10 minutes ago when I said to take that argument out.

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teprrr:

output says it doesn't include xvmc opengl support, but I'll try to proceed without it

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teprrr:

eh, configure script telling something else just messed my head.. I've usually trusted what they have to say about something

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Dagmar:

Yeah, that's a side-effect of passing --disable-xvmc-opengl

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Dagmar:

We have no idea whatsoever why it happens.

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teprrr:

I didn't pass it.. --enable-xvmc-opengl is there in place instead of that

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Dagmar:

Okay, so I'm done then.

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Dagmar:

Good luck.

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teprrr:

but anyways, xvmc support may not be required as I'm planning to make some modifications.. and install trunk version separately so it can be tested more easily

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sphery:

xvmc != xvmc-opengl

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sphery:

xvmc-opengl is slow and probably not what most users want at this point

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teprrr:

ok, I haven't earlier compiled mythtv with xvmc support at all

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teprrr:

it's enough for me to get basic system working.. though if trunk is already usable, I'd surely prefer using it after I've added support for using lcdproc's icons to mythlcdserver

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mrfaye:

is it possible to record from, say, a composite video source as well as a tuner on ONE card at the same time?

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cesman:

no, it isn't

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mrfaye:

shite

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mrfaye:

is that a limitation of mythtv, or of the hardware?

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sphery:

hardware

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sphery:

and an excuse to buy a new PVR-150

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mrfaye:

not suprising.

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mrfaye:

? what, theyre going for cheap or something?

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wagnerrp:

you can on a 500

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iamlindoro:

They've been cheap for quite a while

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sphery:

but a 500 is basically 2 cards

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mrfaye:

wagnerrp: is that to say that you can record on both TV tuners at once, or you can record on both TV tuners as well as a composite in at the same time?

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wagnerrp:

you can record on one tuner, and one input

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mrfaye:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

although i believe you need a daughter card to get the video inputs back

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mrfaye:

so then you can watch on one tuner, record on one tuner, and use the other input to record, right?

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sphery:

i.e. basically 2 cards in one

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wagnerrp:

so its no different than just getting two cards

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mrfaye:

i see

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mrfaye:

before i go ahead with my plans, maybe ill just ask

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mrfaye:

for digital cable, the only way to do it is to have mythtv set up with LIRC to act as a remote to the comcast box, right?

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sphery:

unless the comcast box supports channel changes over firewire (or serial)

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** jarle is looking for a new frontend that has digital video and digital audio out, Mac mini seems to only have analogue audio (stereo) out? **

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iamlindoro:

jarle: One of the minijacks on the mini is an optical out IIRC

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** sphery would like to find 8-channel PCM out (as available with HDMI) from a soundcard **

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mrfaye:

alrighty

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mrfaye:

thanks guys

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mrfaye:

almost forgot

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iamlindoro:

sphery: There's the neato-ish new ASUS coming out, that does passthrough of your HDMI and adds the 8 channel audio

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mrfaye:

do any of you guys use the 'mce' version of the pvr150?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: asus video or sound card?

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iamlindoro:

mrfaye: Yes, many people do. Works very well

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Sound

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mrfaye:

oh ok

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mrfaye:

i have an mce150 that i could never get to work, i think its defective.. bout to have another go

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iamlindoro:

sphery: http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/28/asus-shows . . . sound-cards/

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sphery:

iamlindoro: but can I output 8-channels of software-created audio (or just passthrough 8-channel from Blu-Ray or something)?

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mrfaye:

what about using the mce150 with the MS remote, that work fine too for myth?

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sphery:

nvm, looking

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iamlindoro:

mrfaye: yes

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mrfaye:

ok

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mrfaye:

any of you guys know of a cheap USB ir emitter .. and site to get it from?

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iamlindoro:

mrfaye: The MCE receiver includes an IR emitter

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mrfaye:

hah

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mrfaye:

nice

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mrfaye:

guess thats what ill go for

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mrfaye:

and i imagine said emitter works good with myth, yes?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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mrfaye:

neato. two birds with one .. card.

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sphery:

mrfaye: can't get a response from buy.com, so I can't check its price, but newegg has the PVR-150 for $59.99 + $6.99 S&H. Can get them for less on sale, though. So, whether "theyre going for cheap" depends on your definition of cheap.

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mrfaye:

i was hoping in the 30–40 range, but with the remote and ir emitter its worth it since those other things by them selves would cost a few

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wagnerrp:

you were looking for a capture card for $30?

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mrfaye:

ah

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mrfaye:

should i not be?

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mrfaye:

i dont really need a tv tuner..

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wagnerrp:

one that cheap probably wouldnt be worth getting

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sphery:

could get a frame grabber for $10 – $30 and then buy a very expensive CPU, instead... :)

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mrfaye:

but .. with the remote and emitter solution built in it just makes sense

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mrfaye:

lol sphery

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mrfaye:

i get yah

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mrfaye:

i see on new egg for 60

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mrfaye:

90 w/ remote

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mrfaye:

hmm

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massi_:

hello guys, some1 know what netflix is?

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massi_:

oh ok i fount out on web

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Anduin:

massi_: they account for at least 50% of all online advertising

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massi_:

i was belieng that was some filesharing tool :D

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victor__:

Hi, I have a problem with MythTV: I can scan digital channels with my Kworld ATSC 120 TV Tuner, but Myth TV can't play them; there's a black screen when I watch TV

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wagnerrp:

digital cable?

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victor__:

ATSC TV

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victor__:

or like DVB-T in Europe

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iamlindoro:

Have you successfully watched TV from the digital side of that card in any other linux app? AFAIK That card is broken in current v4l-dvb

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victor__:

not at all; ive only tried this in mythTV

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iamlindoro:

I would use scan to create a channels.conf, put that in your ~/.mplayer/ directory, and try mplayer dvb://SomeChannelName. If that fails, proof the card isn't working.

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PatrickDK:

come on, we know linux supports everything :)

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victor__:

well I know that the analouge part of the card works, that's it

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iamlindoro:

Sooooo.... do what I said above and determine if the digital side works.

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cesman:

victor__: have you taken a look at the logs?

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cesman:

victor__: mythtv has great logging

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victor__:

how can i see the logging?

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iamlindoro:

cesman: Speaking from experience (I own the card), logging won't help him here. Myth will *think* that everything is hunky dory, but no stream ever comes out of the card. Driver is broken.

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iamlindoro:

logging will look 100% normal a-ok

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cesman:

ah

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't hurt to look at it, but backend logging with stop right at HWTUNE IIRC

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iamlindoro:

allow it to complete, myth will close the file... but it'll be 0 Bytes and myth will be none the wiser

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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massi_:

hi guys, I can't see analog TV from my tvtuner card. I ve already gat it work using tvtime so i suppose it s just a configuration issue. Some1 can help me please?

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black_Nightmare_:

mmassi you seen to come twice when it looks dead in here heh :p

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black_Nightmare_:

seem*

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massi_:

LOL black_Nightmare_

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black_Nightmare_:

massi what? its true! ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

and second time: just wait .. I'm sure someone will eventually answer :p

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massi_:

unfortunatelly u r right

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massi_:

yes i know... thx... this s my...... black_Nightmare_ :P

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massi_:

but the first time i ve got help

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black_Nightmare_:

:)

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massi_:

;)

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MrGandalf:

Has anyone seen an odd problem where right after going into LiveTV (or watch a recording) all but the video is garbled (like the guide, or exiting out) until I switch to a different VT and back again and all is well until I enter LiveTV (or recording) again.

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MrGandalf:

This is with an ATI.

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