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| [00:47:21] | Steven_M: | hi all |
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| [00:49:14] | Tatsh: | anyone here have comcast? i just got my DVR and wondering if there is a way to transfer the files to my computer via the Firewire port |
| [00:51:33] | cesman: | #comcast-dvr... |
| [00:51:42] | cesman: | this is the mythtv-users channel |
| [00:52:59] | Tatsh: | thanks cesman |
| [00:53:47] | tjcarter: | three, two, one... |
| [00:54:00] | tjcarter: | no? |
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| [00:57:31] | cesman: | perhaps there is a #comcast-dvr... |
| [00:57:48] | tjcarter: | hah |
| [00:58:31] | ** cesman was being sarcastic ** | |
| [00:58:43] | tjcarter: | I figured |
| [00:58:57] | tjcarter: | Though apparently now Comcast does TiVo |
| [00:59:00] | tjcarter: | with on demand |
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| [01:03:48] | Tatsh: | well, i guess there's no way to transfer what i've recorded on the DVR directly to my PC without opening the box |
| [01:03:50] | Tatsh: | ;/ |
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| [01:11:40] | tank-man: | did you guys know George Bush is really Batman |
| [01:11:42] | tank-man: | lol |
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| [01:13:05] | my2keh: | blah |
| [01:14:13] | tank-man: | kind of a spoiler, batman hacks into cell phones to listen on everyone in the city |
| [01:15:47] | tjcarter: | yeah, drags people off to secret courts too |
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| [01:37:38] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
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| [02:04:36] | cesman: | Batman isn't a moron |
| [02:04:53] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: yeah, but walking out the door |
| [02:05:06] | mzb_d800: | email is paypal address? |
| [02:05:16] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: ^ ? |
| [02:05:29] | mzb_d800: | or would you prefer that I receive the package first? |
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| [03:00:24] | Lexridge: | Question: When I start a manual record on tuner one, then switch to the other tuner(2) for channel surfing, I cannot go back to the tuner one until recording has stopped. Is this normal? |
| [03:03:03] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
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| [03:04:38] | Steven_M: | I'm running the mythtv setup program, I entered the cature card section but there doesn't seem to be a button to get back to the main menu |
| [03:05:01] | iamlindoro: | Steven_M: Esc |
| [03:06:57] | Steven_M: | iamlindoro: I feel so dumb for not trying that :) |
| [03:14:46] | Dagmar: | Could be worse. |
| [03:15:02] | Dagmar: | You could have been typing "I R NOT SEEIN NE CHANNELZS HALP!" |
| [03:15:16] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: Why? I should think myth should pick up the turner....since it should still have a lock on it. |
| [03:15:22] | Dagmar: | Yes, the bar for "dumb" is set real low here. You'fe more than fine. |
| [03:15:54] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge: We'll go ahead and expect your patch to make that functionality selectable, then |
| [03:16:08] | Lexridge: | lol, sure. :) |
| [03:16:19] | iamlindoro: | Since few/none of the developers even use LiveTV, I wouldn't expect it to change any time soon/ever |
| [03:16:39] | iamlindoro: | If you want to watch what you are recording, just go to Watch Recordings. |
| [03:16:51] | Lexridge: | What? The developers don't use myth? what do they use then? |
| [03:16:56] | Lexridge: | YEa, that is what I do. |
| [03:17:11] | iamlindoro: | They don't use LiveTV. Any of them. At all. |
| [03:17:21] | Lexridge: | It's just a habit, since I can do it with my Dish Network receiver. |
| [03:18:01] | Lexridge: | Well, I guess I don't either...really. I have the TV on mainly for background noise, and to capture attention if something interesting shows up. :) |
| [03:18:34] | Lexridge: | I don't multitask well when typing on the computer and paying attention to the tv. lol |
| [03:19:26] | cesman: | If tuner 1 is recording, it is recording. Either stop the recording if you want to use it for something else, or go watch the program as it is being recorded. |
| [03:19:27] | Lexridge: | So by LiveTV, I assume you mean they watch DVDs, or nothing at all? |
| [03:20:01] | jblack: | The show being recorded, any shows that have already been recorded, DVDs, etc. |
| [03:20:04] | iamlindoro: | Lexridge: No, I mean they use the PVR capabilities and watch after the fact. LiveTV is LiveTV and nothing more. |
| [03:20:28] | Lexridge: | cesman: sometimes I want to watch it live, while keeping it to burn later to DVD. But, I want to channel surf on the other tuner, and switch back as well. |
| [03:20:42] | jblack: | Try the 'y' button. That switches the tuner you're using |
| [03:20:54] | Lexridge: | not a big deal, there are many workarounds I realize. Just found it odd it couldn't do it. |
| [03:20:58] | jblack: | or is it c.. or t... |
| [03:21:33] | Lexridge: | jblack: tried it. no go. |
| [03:21:44] | jblack: | I think you have to try it twice. |
| [03:21:50] | iamlindoro: | jblack: None of those keys will help him when the tuner he wants to switch to is recording |
| [03:22:00] | iamlindoro: | no matter how many times you press them. |
| [03:22:06] | Lexridge: | right |
| [03:22:13] | iamlindoro: | Myth won't switch to an in-use tuner, the end. |
| [03:22:30] | jblack: | Pardon. I thought he was trying to find a tuner not in use. |
| [03:22:52] | iamlindoro: | It's the way it works because it's the way people who contribute code want it to work. If someone wants it to work another way (and make it selectable) then I'm sure a patch will be cheerfully accepted. |
| [03:23:21] | iamlindoro: | And if someone wnats functionality but doesn't intend to code it up themselves, well then.... > /dev/null |
| [03:23:41] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: well said, and understood. I'm certainly not complaining about it, it's FREE! Just asking to see if it was me, or the design. |
| [03:23:52] | iamlindoro: | It's not you :) |
| [03:24:30] | Lexridge: | I would like to expand some on myth with custom scripts and such.....CallerID for example: |
| [03:24:46] | Lexridge: | I have it working, and udp'ing the data to my clients just great. |
| [03:25:15] | Lexridge: | Now, I want to be able to intercept that data and write it into a text file as well. Any ideas on how to tap that data? |
| [03:26:41] | Lexridge: | Myth is using cidbcast and mythudprelay to handle caller id. |
| [03:27:34] | iamlindoro: | You could patch mythtvosd to output any broadcasts to a text file fairly easily |
| [03:27:57] | Lexridge: | mythtvosd? Lemme look at the man file on that. |
| [03:28:15] | iamlindoro: | If you're getting caller ID, you're already using it |
| [03:28:39] | Lexridge: | It doesn't show up in my process list. |
| [03:28:52] | iamlindoro: | I'm not responsible for your process list :) |
| [03:28:58] | Lexridge: | only the two aforementioned programs. |
| [03:29:09] | Lexridge: | lol, no, I guess you're not. ;) |
| [03:29:31] | jblack: | I think it's a dynamic library, but I'm checking to make sure |
| [03:29:41] | iamlindoro: | anyway, stock mythtvosd won't do it, you'll need to patch it yourself to add that functionality and recompile |
| [03:29:43] | Lexridge: | I do have it installed however, but no man page...--help works though. thanks, I'll mess with this a bit. |
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| [03:29:55] | Lexridge: | oh, okay. |
| [03:30:14] | Lexridge: | once again, c patching......I am not a C programmer......yet. ;) |
| [03:30:42] | Lexridge: | sound like I might have become a dirty hacker at it, at least. |
| [03:31:51] | Lexridge: | yea, this is running...but on the CLIENT machine....I was looking on the backend. |
| [03:32:23] | Lexridge: | DOH! I keep getting confused for some odd reason on what should run where. |
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| [03:42:53] | Lexridge: | iamlindoro: Actually, after studing this a bit, it would be easier to write a bash or tk script to replace the cidbcast program. Hell, I could probably do it in REXX. |
| [03:43:21] | iamlindoro: | easier is relative to the author |
| [03:43:27] | clever: | Lexridge: but can bash do udp sockets? |
| [03:43:47] | Lexridge: | clever: good question, but rexx and tk can for sure. |
| [03:44:04] | clever: | the udp ive done thru bash are using netcat |
| [03:44:39] | clever: | so far i still cant receive broadcast packets |
| [03:44:40] | Lexridge: | okay, so you've done this. I think I have netcat. What is it? |
| [03:44:53] | clever: | and it would have little control as to where the packets start/stop |
| [03:45:04] | clever: | netcat is like cat but for the network:P |
| [03:45:18] | Lexridge: | So it dumps the raw packets the stdout? |
| [03:45:30] | clever: | it connects thru tcp or udp and outputs the contents of the packets |
| [03:45:38] | clever: | and stdin gets writen out to the net |
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| [03:45:53] | clever: | netcat -u -p 4321 192.168.1.101 4321 < /dev/null | beep -s -l 1000 -f 13000 -r 5 & |
| [03:46:00] | Lexridge: | okay, that sounds interesting. note to self.....netcat. :) |
| [03:46:10] | clever: | that accepts udp packets from port 4321 on the .101 system |
| [03:46:15] | clever: | and sends them to beep |
| [03:46:22] | clever: | which will beep once for every line it receives |
| [03:46:36] | clever: | and pass the message on to stdout |
| [03:46:51] | clever: | now i have a script in my irc client which sends out that udp packet |
| [03:46:55] | clever: | whenever my name is said |
| [03:47:08] | clever: | highlight highlight on #pdm AusTempest hey clever do you still have that turn counting bot thingy |
| [03:47:17] | clever: | so i have page upon page of that in that terminal window |
| [03:47:20] | Lexridge: | I have an old Amiga rexx script that did this, perhaps I can easily convert it to also send udp packets to the OSD as well. |
| [03:47:34] | Lexridge: | clever: nice |
| [03:47:45] | clever: | also because it runs thru beep |
| [03:47:53] | Lexridge: | yea |
| [03:47:55] | clever: | it causes a beep from my pc speaker(the one on the motherboard) |
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| [03:48:02] | clever: | at 13000hz for 1 second |
| [03:48:04] | clever: | 5 of them |
| [03:48:15] | Lexridge: | ouch! |
| [03:48:23] | Lexridge: | lol |
| [03:48:23] | clever: | you can bearly hear it |
| [03:48:54] | clever: | its fun to play with that beep command |
| [03:49:25] | Lexridge: | I can hear to about 22k, but am deaf in the 5800 range, due to working around hundreds of video monitors for the last 24 years. But I have incredible high frequency hearing. |
| [03:49:56] | clever: | 5800hz isnt that high |
| [03:50:02] | Lexridge: | 13k just kills me.....but better than 6 cups of coffee I'm sure! ;) |
| [03:50:15] | clever: | i can bearly hear it |
| [03:50:28] | clever: | and 22khz causes an error |
| [03:50:37] | Lexridge: | that's crazy. What db? |
| [03:50:49] | clever: | no control over db i beleive |
| [03:51:04] | clever: | its the internal speaker |
| [03:51:30] | Lexridge: | Use Audacity to create test tones at 22k. |
| [03:51:52] | clever: | but can that run on linux:P |
| [03:52:05] | Lexridge: | the piezo inside your computer, if it is, should easily produce 22k. If's it's a cone speaker, no way. |
| [03:52:10] | Lexridge: | yes |
| [03:52:28] | clever: | audacity – A fast, cross-platform audio editor |
| [03:52:32] | clever: | found in apt |
| [03:52:35] | Lexridge: | yea, great program. |
| [03:52:53] | Dagmar: | It'ds not like you would easily *hear* 22Khz |
| [03:52:54] | clever: | some of my mobo's have a peizo and others have a cone |
| [03:53:00] | clever: | and one had smoke:P |
| [03:53:10] | Lexridge: | smoke is not good. |
| [03:53:14] | clever: | the gnd on the speaker came loose |
| [03:53:18] | Dagmar: | No, smoke is good. |
| [03:53:21] | clever: | and hit the floppy drive when i was moving it |
| [03:53:23] | Dagmar: | It just has to stay inside the chips. |
| [03:53:28] | clever: | so the whole wire went red hot |
| [03:53:34] | clever: | which melted the insulation |
| [03:54:30] | Dagmar: | The PC speaker isn't particularly meant for waveform output |
| [03:54:34] | Lexridge: | damn, that is smokin' alright |
| [03:54:48] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah i traced the syscalls to see how the beep program works |
| [03:54:49] | Dagmar: | The driver that lets you use it like that is basically a hack |
| [03:54:52] | clever: | the higher the freq i ask it for |
| [03:54:58] | clever: | the lower the number it gives thru the syscall |
| [03:55:06] | clever: | it feels like a delay between each peak |
| [03:55:09] | Dagmar: | Yes, because it's basically just toggling the thing |
| [03:55:25] | Dagmar: | It's using your CPU to try to manually push the speaker around |
| [03:55:30] | clever: | though i had a windows driver |
| [03:55:36] | clever: | which turned it into a sound card |
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| [03:55:44] | Dagmar: | YEah, and it worked like crap didn't it |
| [03:55:47] | clever: | it sounded like shit but you could makeout words |
| [03:55:57] | clever: | it also disabled all irq's when playing |
| [03:56:04] | clever: | so the entire system locks up solid until its done |
| [03:56:10] | Dagmar: | That's because it needed realtime access |
| [03:56:13] | clever: | yep |
| [03:56:19] | clever: | i can also disable that in the options |
| [03:56:22] | clever: | then it sounds even worse |
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| [03:57:35] | clever: | ive also noticed if the 'beep' i had in crontab ran under high system load |
| [03:57:46] | clever: | the 2nd syscall to shut the beep off would get delayed |
| [03:57:50] | clever: | causing 15 second tones |
| [03:58:36] | Lexridge: | why not just skip the beeps and send the irc notify to OSD? |
| [03:58:54] | clever: | i didnt have the mythtv osd working at the time |
| [03:59:02] | clever: | and that osd only works when playing |
| [03:59:21] | Dagmar: | Yeah I would really rather it be able to spawn a display at any time |
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| [03:59:35] | Dagmar: | I would hook up things to watch lm_sensors and use that in a heartbeat |
| [03:59:35] | Lexridge: | yea, true...I have dual monitors, so myth is always running on the secondary monitor (TV) |
| [03:59:57] | Lexridge: | lm_sensors might work well. great idea. |
| [04:00:03] | clever: | Lexridge: ive got the same on my master |
| [04:00:06] | clever: | but i rarely use the crt lately |
| [04:00:17] | clever: | so i removed kdm and just run the raw Xorg |
| [04:00:35] | clever: | Xorg -terminate & |
| [04:00:36] | clever: | sudo -u mythtv -H metacity & |
| [04:00:37] | clever: | sudo -u mythtv -H mythwelcome & |
| [04:00:47] | clever: | with a few extra helper lines(sleep and export) |
| [04:00:59] | Lexridge: | yea, you had mentioned you did that a few nites ago. I'm too into my applets to do that right now. |
| [04:01:20] | Lexridge: | but I like the idea of it, especially for dedicated mythbox |
| [04:01:21] | clever: | i got the mem hogging applets on my laptop |
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| [04:01:54] | clever: | ouch |
| [04:02:05] | clever: | i made audacity play 12345 on the tones of a phone |
| [04:02:10] | clever: | my volume was way up |
| [04:02:23] | Lexridge: | my garage computer is my main system. I have a Fedora file server in the LR, and as well as my mythbackend server....and run Linux DD-wrt on my routers. ;) I'm a linux whore. |
| [04:02:42] | clever: | i dont have any wifi range in the garage |
| [04:02:50] | Lexridge: | I'm wired...gigabit. |
| [04:03:01] | clever: | and my linksys router i cant mod |
| [04:03:34] | clever: | i just made my whole router from scratch with a desktop |
| [04:03:35] | Lexridge: | bummer. DD-WRT is awesome. I replaced 6 sysco routers with 2 DD-WRT/x86 machines. It's much faster! |
| [04:03:36] | clever: | and linux |
| [04:04:24] | clever: | im using the linksys 'router' as a plain switch in my room to split the cord |
| [04:04:28] | clever: | just using the LAN ports |
| [04:04:34] | Lexridge: | I had a x86 DD-WRT here, but it got hit by lightning, so no I'm just running a Linksys WRT54GL(inux) |
| [04:04:59] | Lexridge: | with DD-WRT flashed onto it, of course. |
| [04:05:27] | Lexridge: | I have tried using linksys routers as a switch, but have not had very good success. |
| [04:05:48] | clever: | i just changed the private ip to be out of the range and use the lan ports |
| [04:05:50] | clever: | works fine |
| [04:06:08] | clever: | mine also has a 'uplink' port which is just port 1 with the tx/rx switched |
| [04:06:27] | clever: | which works perfectly for connecting to the 12port cisco switch |
| [04:07:03] | Lexridge: | clever: yea, that should work...didn't think of that. |
| [04:07:10] | Lexridge: | another DOH! |
| [04:07:14] | clever: | i just ignore the wan port |
| [04:07:32] | clever: | but my bigger problem atm is the dsl stability |
| [04:07:40] | Lexridge: | I have a pile of those things, and need some 100MB switches....I'll try that. |
| [04:07:49] | clever: | it seems if i uplaod too much it totaly dies for 20 seconds |
| [04:07:58] | Lexridge: | are you using bittorrent? |
| [04:08:01] | clever: | which causes ping timeouts on irc if they add up |
| [04:08:12] | clever: | yes im using that and yes ive limited the upload speed |
| [04:08:34] | clever: | and i can monitor my actual upload usage(total) thru snmp to the switch |
| [04:08:37] | Lexridge: | clever: limiting bittorrent does not always work as expected. I've had problems with this too. |
| [04:09:05] | clever: | the torrents are using a perfect 10kb/sec |
| [04:09:09] | Lexridge: | if you stop bt, I'd bet your problems go with it. |
| [04:09:51] | clever: | i have the pppoe link between the router and dsl modem |
| [04:09:56] | clever: | on its own vlan in the switch |
| [04:10:07] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:81/cacti/graph.php?acti . . . p;rra_id=all |
| [04:10:12] | clever: | which is graphed right there |
| [04:10:15] | Lexridge: | I know that, same here.....but what happens is the data is still overflowing your dsl connection....your router tries to ignore them, and does, but the pipe is still full. |
| [04:10:35] | clever: | im arround 50% full right now |
| [04:10:37] | Lexridge: | does that make sense? |
| [04:10:47] | clever: | yes it make perfect sense if i was uploading near my limit |
| [04:11:18] | clever: | now lets add 30kb/sec to my upload to watch it suffer |
| [04:11:23] | Lexridge: | yes, 50% from your router's point of view, but the pipe between your router and your service is full of BT clients wanting to connect, but being deined by your router. |
| [04:11:44] | clever: | i can see the pipe BEFORE the router |
| [04:11:50] | clever: | its basicaly going |
| [04:12:00] | Lexridge: | the limits you have set up only affect your inner network, not what's TRYING to come in. |
| [04:12:01] | clever: | LAN->router->2ndlan->dslmodem |
| [04:12:07] | clever: | and i can graph it at every -> |
| [04:13:06] | Lexridge: | but you cannot graph it beyond your router. That is invisable for the most part. I have seen this happen time and time again. Shut down BT and see if your problems disapper. |
| [04:13:15] | clever: | and im not downloading so theres bearly anything comming in |
| [04:13:15] | clever: | http://clever.mine.nu:81/cacti/graph.php?acti . . . p;rra_id=all |
| [04:13:15] | clever: | acording to the graph im downloading LESS them in uploading |
| [04:13:17] | clever: | Lexridge: yes i can:P |
| [04:13:25] | Lexridge: | how? |
| [04:13:28] | clever: | im graphing past the router |
| [04:13:34] | clever: | the router->modem link is plain ethernet |
| [04:13:43] | clever: | i have that going thru its own private lan on my cisco switch |
| [04:13:45] | Lexridge: | okay, so is mine. |
| [04:13:52] | clever: | and i can graph both ports of that link |
| [04:14:07] | clever: | the graph i linked to is the raw pppoe trafic between the modem and router |
| [04:15:48] | Lexridge: | okay, not sure how, but I'll certainly take your word for it. My experience with BT has shown me that routers are not very efficient at blocking it's traffic. You simply end up with a full pipe that kills everything else. |
| [04:16:09] | clever: | all incomming trafic is going thru the much larger download pipe |
| [04:16:17] | clever: | which is under 33% used |
| [04:16:32] | clever: | about 20% roughtly |
| [04:16:56] | clever: | ive increased my up limit to 60 and im now having trouble actualy filling it |
| [04:17:26] | Lexridge: | I have a 6MB connection, and limit my BT to about 80KB/s. on my inside router, I show about 6000 connections, on my outside router, I show I'm denieing about 100,000 clients. Those requests use bandwidth. |
| [04:17:53] | clever: | Lexridge: PM |
| [04:18:31] | Lexridge: | ? |
| [04:18:36] | clever: | private message |
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| [04:42:48] | grnmtn: | does anyone know how to automatically load all metadata with mythvideo? |
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| [05:20:38] | Anduin: | grnmtn: How do you mean? |
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| [05:26:33] | ** lyricnz played with windows media center today; hmmm, it's much "prettier" than us ** | |
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| [05:38:31] | alex1: | http://www.pastebin.org/57215 Hi I get this when I run mythfrontend and click on watch TV. when I do it the screen goes black for a sec, then he menu pops back up. |
| [05:39:27] | alex1: | Can anyone help/ I would love to be able to watch TV... I have tested the tuner with me-tv and it works fine, i have est up my channels with myhtv-setup and I can't think of a reason why TV wont work, the error message doesn't help me much. |
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| [05:46:46] | lyricnz: | alex1: did you create the videosource, tune all the channels, etc? (in mythtvsetup) |
| [05:46:54] | alex1: | I certainly did |
| [05:47:00] | alex1: | all channels tuned in fine! |
| [05:47:21] | lyricnz: | Did you set starting/default channel? |
| [05:47:34] | alex1: | probably not, is that necessary? |
| [05:47:46] | ** lyricnz shrugs ** | |
| [05:47:55] | alex1: | I will try that I guess... |
| [05:49:13] | fryfrog: | does anyone remember someone in here talking about "fixing" .mkv files that didn't play quite right in myth? ones compressed by handbrade, x264? |
| [05:50:13] | alex1: | can you point em toward where one sets the default channel? |
| [05:50:16] | alex1: | *me |
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| [05:58:05] | wagnerrp: | clever: you kick ass |
| [05:58:13] | ** wagnerrp begins the switch from mrtg to cacti ** | |
| [05:58:20] | clever: | lol:) |
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| [05:58:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: http://www.woot.com/ |
| [05:58:54] | clever: | wagnerrp: allmost a waste of tech:P |
| [05:59:18] | clever: | digital golf ball finder |
| [05:59:33] | lyricnz: | wagnerrp: I switched from cacti to munin, myself |
| [06:00:14] | alex1: | http://www.pastebin.org/57215 Hi I get this when I run mythfrontend and click on watch TV. when I do it the screen goes black for a sec, then he menu pops back up. |
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| [06:02:52] | wagnerrp: | if only rrd files were machine independent |
| [06:03:02] | wagnerrp: | my current snmp logger is 32-bit |
| [06:03:08] | wagnerrp: | my web server is 64-bit |
| [06:03:12] | wagnerrp: | they dont play nice... |
| [06:06:41] | wagnerrp: | son of a BITCH |
| [06:06:48] | wagnerrp: | now i have to make a choice between the two |
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| [06:31:03] | dreamor: | Hey guys. I've apparently done something wrong |
| [06:31:18] | wagnerrp: | that happens a lot |
| [06:32:28] | dreamor: | Yeah, I did a scan and tried to setup the Schedules Direct thing, but all my channels are listed as like 80,0 80,1 etc. |
| [06:32:42] | wagnerrp: | these are... digital channels? |
| [06:32:43] | dreamor: | I'd like to build a guide |
| [06:33:14] | wagnerrp: | digital channels look like that |
| [06:33:29] | wagnerrp: | each digital channel consists of one or more subchannels in an mpeg2 multiplex |
| [06:34:56] | dreamor: | Yeah, I havea kworld ATSC 115 |
| [06:35:05] | dreamor: | I think I plugged into the DVB port thing |
| [06:36:22] | dreamor: | As in I think I set it up right. But with the guide shouldn't I get the channel name etc? |
| [06:37:07] | dreamor: | Also, has anyone set this up and got digital working correctly (good picture) with Comcast digital cable? |
| [06:37:20] | wagnerrp: | the guide should show both |
| [06:37:56] | dreamor: | I think that's where I missing it. Should I not have scanned channels and only imprted the info from Schedules? |
| [06:38:06] | wagnerrp: | as with nearly every digital medium, if you have any picture, you have perfect picture |
| [06:38:26] | wagnerrp: | with digital cable, most of the channels are encrypted and unusable |
| [06:38:46] | wagnerrp: | furthermore, a manual scan will typically pick up unencrypted on demand channels |
| [06:38:54] | wagnerrp: | which would be unlisted by scheduled direct |
| [06:38:54] | dreamor: | Ah, so the QAM256 thing might not work that great for me huh? |
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| [06:39:21] | wagnerrp: | well if you can get a fair number of channels, great |
| [06:39:31] | wagnerrp: | but most users will only get the local broadcast channels, if that |
| [06:39:55] | dreamor: | Maybe I should do a full scan then. I was also wondering if the lower number analog channels will get pcked up too? |
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| [06:40:13] | wagnerrp: | with schedules direct, you shouldnt need to do a scan |
| [06:40:31] | wagnerrp: | well... no |
| [06:40:42] | wagnerrp: | you would do a full scan to determine what channels you can actually tune |
| [06:40:44] | dreamor: | Ok, so don't scan. Is there anyway to wipe the database and start over or should I do something else? |
| [06:40:53] | wagnerrp: | and then you would disable channels in your SD lineup |
| [06:41:12] | wagnerrp: | once youve set up SD, then just flush everything and pull the channels off SD |
| [06:41:25] | dreamor: | I've setup SD |
| [06:41:37] | wagnerrp: | i mean disable channels that are encrypted |
| [06:41:37] | dreamor: | Well I think I did. I have an account |
| [06:41:47] | wagnerrp: | SD will give you everything thats available |
| [06:41:57] | wagnerrp: | but some or most of those will not actually be usable by you |
| [06:42:19] | dreamor: | Ok. Can you tell me how to flush or is that burried somewhere in the docs? |
| [06:42:44] | wagnerrp: | you should just be able to do it in mythtv-setup |
| [06:43:11] | dreamor: | Also, I can't find anything that tells me which port on my kworld ATSC 115 is digital. Is there a way to tell? |
| [06:43:31] | wagnerrp: | its usually stamped on the backplate |
| [06:43:38] | wagnerrp: | otherwise your documentation would tell you |
| [06:44:02] | dreamor: | Ok I'm gonna try this again. |
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| [07:13:00] | dreamor: | Jsut curoius but do I want to perform a EIT scan? |
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| [07:21:51] | mzb_d800: | fryfrog: email is paypal address? |
| [07:21:53] | mzb_d800: | or would you prefer that I receive the package first? |
| [07:22:51] | mzb_d800: | dreamor: depends if you've got a better method of getting programme listings (afaik) |
| [07:23:33] | mzb_d800: | (eg SD) |
| [07:23:36] | mzb_d800: | iow: no |
| [07:24:55] | jblack: | On a dual-head setup, how does mythfrontend decide what screen to use/ |
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| [07:28:38] | dustybin: | does mythtv free the mallocs? |
| [07:31:36] | dreamor: | Is this normal?HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 UnauthorizedReusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80.HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK |
| [07:31:51] | dreamor: | When doing a mythfukkdatabase? |
| [07:32:07] | dreamor: | oops I mean mythfilldatabase |
| [07:32:25] | dreamor: | What is that typing terhetts? |
| [07:32:51] | mzb_d800: | heh fukk db ;)) |
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| [07:41:38] | clever: | jblack: depends on if your using xinemera or not |
| [07:42:43] | mzb_d800: | dreamor: perhaps that should become a real command? ;) |
| [07:44:30] | jblack: | I'm using xrandr |
| [07:46:08] | dreamor: | Maybe, it sure takes an F'in long time |
| [07:47:01] | dreamor: | Hell I'm not even sure I did it right |
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| [07:56:07] | dreamor: | OK think I setup my card wrong |
| [08:02:49] | fryfrog: | mzb_d800: yeah, my email is my paypal addy. i don't care, if you want to wait until it arrives it is no skin off my back. |
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| [08:09:56] | dreamor: | BRB, gotta reboot |
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| [08:39:30] | darthanubis: | when I hit the exit button while watching a recording. I don't get the menu asking to delete or save position? I forget where that setting is located? |
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| [08:39:37] | k-man_: | hi |
| [08:40:03] | k-man_: | has anyone got a working set of udev rules for dvb devices i can have a look at? |
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| [08:50:57] | doje: | hi, how can I enable music visualizations in myth(butntu) ? |
| [08:53:27] | doje: | all I have is "blank" |
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| [08:55:36] | Quentusrex: | How do I get my mythtv box to use my hdmi connection to output the video rather than use the vga connection? |
| [08:55:50] | wagnerrp: | well the typical approach is to download fftw, and compile mythmusic against it |
| [08:56:01] | wagnerrp: | but since youre on a pre-compiled distro, i have no idea |
| [08:56:11] | wagnerrp: | Quentusrex: what board/card? |
| [08:57:00] | wagnerrp: | also, most cards will autodetect what outputs you have connected |
| [08:57:02] | Quentusrex: | ECS GF7100PVT-M3 |
| [08:57:15] | wagnerrp: | it should 'just work' if you only have HDMI connected |
| [08:57:29] | Quentusrex: | onboard DVI connection. I have it plugged into vga as well |
| [08:57:47] | Quentusrex: | Is there a way to switch between the two connections? |
| [08:58:04] | wagnerrp: | you can force it in the xorg.conf file |
| [08:58:20] | wagnerrp: | nvidia-settings should be able to do so as well |
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| [08:58:33] | Quentusrex: | What about a way to see the available connections or something? |
| [08:58:44] | wagnerrp: | nvidia-settings should do that |
| [09:00:05] | wagnerrp: | maybe not... |
| [09:01:15] | wagnerrp: | try setting 'Option "ConnectedMonitor" "DFP"' in your xorg.conf |
| [09:01:29] | wagnerrp: | in your device configuration |
| [09:01:56] | wagnerrp: | or 'Option "UseDisplayDevice" "DFP"' |
| [09:02:44] | dustybin: | how much disk space does 1 hour of BBC HD take up? |
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| [09:05:03] | wagnerrp: | well peek bitrate for DVB-T is 32Mbps, so no more than 14.4GB |
| [09:05:37] | wagnerrp: | figure 1/2 that is a good estimate |
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| [09:14:37] | Quentusrex: | thanks wagnerrp, for the video info |
| [09:14:45] | Quentusrex: | Now how to I output the audio over hdmi? |
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| [09:16:02] | dreamor: | Is this normal? |
| [09:16:13] | dreamor: | 2008-07–26 04:14:34.504 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'IndiePle2008-07–26 04:14:34.505 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'RetroPle2008-07–26 04:14:34.505 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'HGTV HD 2008-07–26 04:14:34.506 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'Food HD'2008-07–26 04:14:34.506 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'A&E HD E2008-07–26 04:14:34.506 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'EWTN Esp2008-07–26 04:14:34.507 DataDirect: Not adding |
| [09:16:13] | dreamor: | adding channel 'GAME 12'2008-07–26 04:14:34.508 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'GAME 13'2008-07–26 04:14:34.508 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'GAME 14'2008-07–26 04:14:34.508 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'Golf Cha |
| [09:17:12] | dreamor: | Its from mythfilldatabase |
| [09:18:49] | ** xris got bored: http://forevermore.net/photozoom/ ** | |
| [09:19:32] | wagnerrp: | Quentusrex: you have a DVI board, not HDMI |
| [09:20:21] | wagnerrp: | you can cheaply go from DVI video to HDMI video |
| [09:20:35] | wagnerrp: | but its several hundred for something that can mux in an audio stream |
| [09:21:02] | wagnerrp: | im going to bed |
| [09:24:54] | Quentusrex: | thanks wagnerrp |
| [09:25:42] | Quentusrex: | HDMI is able to send video and audio over the same cable, is the dvi to hdmi convertor unable to carry the audio? |
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| [10:39:55] | AndyCap: | http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4275063.html What, broadcasters tweak the compression? what a surprise. |
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| [10:43:33] | black_Nightmare_: | hey |
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| [10:53:42] | Virindi: | so they lower the bitrate, big deal, if it gets really horrible people will stop watching shows |
| [10:54:17] | AndyCap: | Virindi: one can only hope. :P |
| [11:02:05] | Virindi: | well, if not, they don't really care anyway and reducing the bitrate isn't a problem :P |
| [11:08:05] | black_Nightmare_: | heh how low is the bitrate for whatever it is now out of curiousity? |
| [11:12:51] | Virindi: | dunno, the article just seems to be complaining that there is no law about it |
| [11:13:35] | Virindi: | "omg they could deliver crappy service and it wouldn't be illegal!" |
| [11:13:58] | black_Nightmare_: | is it free or paid service btw? |
| [11:14:02] | Virindi: | kind of ridiculous if you ask me |
| [11:14:12] | Virindi: | they talk about both broadcast and cable |
| [11:15:05] | black_Nightmare_: | hm if its paid service: time to boycott |
| [11:15:22] | Virindi: | my paid service looks just fine |
| [11:15:30] | black_Nightmare_: | good ;) |
| [11:16:11] | Virindi: | they're just complaining that it could theoretically be bad |
| [11:16:46] | Virindi: | and if it's bad we can't send the police in there with weapons drawn to make sure they turn up that bitrate |
| [11:16:58] | Virindi: | that part was my take :P |
| [11:17:30] | black_Nightmare_: | hehe I see now :p |
| [11:17:42] | black_Nightmare_: | don't forget SWAT as well :) |
| [11:18:49] | Virindi: | yeah because choppy programming is such a horrible thing for society that it needs to be outlawed |
| [11:19:15] | Virindi: | OR we could just switch to a different service that isn't as bad :D |
| [11:19:33] | black_Nightmare_: | how often do you watch tv out of curiousity? |
| [11:19:51] | Virindi: | a few shows a week |
| [11:21:13] | black_Nightmare_: | ah ok |
| [11:21:18] | Virindi: | why? |
| [11:22:47] | black_Nightmare_: | oh just curious |
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| [11:25:06] | black_Nightmare_: | for me hm well depends on things, sometimes it could be none on a week and quite many another week (sometimes that seem to depend on where I am sleeping too heh) |
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| [11:54:20] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm just a curious question but can mythtv change res/colour on fly while recording? |
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| [12:25:53] | dustybin: | did you know that you can only use PCI wireless cards in 54mbps modes, super-g 108mbps is not supported in the linux madwifi driver |
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| [12:53:09] | lunaris: | I need some help with mythtv |
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| [12:53:42] | lunaris: | I cannot start the program...it's searching to enter some settings for online database |
| [12:53:46] | lunaris: | what should I do? |
| [12:56:15] | lunaris: | anyone that can help me? |
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| [13:01:59] | lunaris: | anyone here? |
| [13:02:03] | lunaris: | !ask |
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| [13:27:11] | k-man: | hello |
| [13:28:03] | k-man: | when i run dvbscan, i get this error: Unable to query frontend status – any idea what that means? |
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| [13:36:24] | lunaris: | k-man can you explain to me how did you started program runnug? |
| [13:36:27] | lunaris: | running* |
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| [13:37:08] | lunaris: | k-man I need some help too,and I'm asking this you because I cannot start program on my pc:) |
| [13:37:25] | k-man: | lunaris, what are you trying to do? |
| [13:37:53] | lunaris: | I'm trying to start program..but there are some settings for some server...what sould I do there? |
| [13:38:10] | lunaris: | k-man : I'm trying to start program..but there are some settings for some server...what sould I do there? |
| [13:38:52] | k-man: | what program are you trying to start? |
| [13:39:04] | lunaris: | k-man : mythtv |
| [13:39:07] | k-man: | mythtv? |
| [13:39:12] | lunaris: | k-man : yeah |
| [13:39:23] | k-man: | do you have a backend set up and running? |
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| [13:39:35] | lunaris: | k-man : no |
| [13:39:48] | k-man: | first you need to set up the backend |
| [13:39:48] | lunaris: | k-man : It's saying that there is some error with it |
| [13:39:58] | lunaris: | k-man : Ok..how am I doing that? |
| [13:40:01] | k-man: | what error |
| [13:40:22] | lunaris: | k-man : No uPnP backend found |
| [13:40:23] | k-man: | what distribution did you use? |
| [13:40:28] | lunaris: | k-man : something like that |
| [13:40:37] | k-man: | lunaris, yes, cos you don't have a backend running |
| [13:40:44] | lunaris: | k-man : of linux is xubuntu |
| [13:41:30] | k-man: | did you read the information on the wiki about installing? |
| [13:41:40] | lunaris: | k-man : nope( |
| [13:41:45] | lunaris: | k-man : nope :( |
| [13:41:47] | k-man: | http://mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-1.html |
| [13:42:24] | lunaris: | k-man : Thanks...I will look it now |
| [13:42:31] | k-man: | ok |
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| [14:34:48] | dreamor: | OK SO I have channels, but they are all unknown. Am I doing something wrong? |
| [14:36:54] | darthanubis: | yes |
| [14:37:01] | darthanubis: | do not scan for channels |
| [14:37:13] | darthanubis: | fetch channel lineup iinstead |
| [14:37:43] | darthanubis: | remove all those channels and use the fetch option instead |
| [14:42:35] | dreamor: | OK, when I read the doc it told me I had to scan before I could fetch. Which is what I did. So how do I delete all the channels? |
| [14:46:09] | darthanubis: | yes |
| [14:46:10] | dreamor: | As in whats the best way? Delete Channels in the Channel Editor or in the input connections? |
| [14:46:21] | darthanubis: | whatever |
| [14:46:27] | darthanubis: | just get rid of them |
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| [14:50:56] | dreamor: | So when I co under inputs and select my only one DVB-Cable and I choose "Fetch channels from listing source" should I see anything as it fetches? |
| [14:51:37] | dreamor: | It just kina locks the keyboard for a bit |
| [14:52:42] | dreamor: | Ok it's done and the starting channel still says "Please add channels to this source" |
| [14:53:44] | dreamor: | Maybe I set something wrong in my sources? |
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| [14:58:25] | dreamor: | Ok running mythfill database I get this in the output "No channels are configured to use grabbe" |
| [14:58:42] | dreamor: | err grabber |
| [15:07:25] | darthanubis: | did you setup your Schedules Direct account info? |
| [15:07:37] | dreamor: | Yes |
| [15:08:27] | darthanubis: | I don't know how else to tell you |
| [15:08:33] | darthanubis: | its not much to it |
| [15:08:57] | darthanubis: | I know it seems weird, as oe would expect scan channesl to do the trick |
| [15:09:07] | dreamor: | In the sources section I put in the name/password and retrieved Listings which showed up as Digital Cable I selected that. |
| [15:09:12] | darthanubis: | but it is actually fetch channel from listing source |
| [15:09:42] | dreamor: | Heres the output from mythfilldatabase |
| [15:10:04] | darthanubis: | when you setup the SD account, did it show the correct area listing and zipcode for you? |
| [15:10:14] | dreamor: | 2008-07–26 09:57:16.644 Updating source #1 (Cable) with grabber schedulesdirect12008-07–26 09:57:16.644 No channels are configured to use grabber.2008-07–26 09:57:16.644 2008-07–26 09:57:16.644 Checking day @ offset 0, date: Sat Jul 26 20082008-07–26 09:57:16.645 Data refresh needed because no data exists for day @ offset 0 from 6PM – midnight.2008-07–26 09:57:16.645 Refreshing data for Sat Jul 26 20082008-07–26 09:57:16.646 Ne |
| [15:10:14] | darthanubis: | I don't need to see the output |
| [15:10:14] | dreamor: | ted to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost2008-07–26 09:57:16.647 Retrieving datadirect data.2008-07–26 09:57:16.647 Grabbing data for Sat Jul 26 2008 offset 02008-07–26 09:57:16.647 From Sat Jul 26 05:00:00 2008 to Sun Jul 27 05:00:00 2008 (UTC)2008-07–26 09:57:16.648 New DB connection, total: 32008-07–26 09:57:16.648 Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: localhost2008-07–26 09:57:16.649 Grabbing listing data--09: |
| [15:10:17] | dreamor: | t.com/schedulesdirect/tvlistings/xtvdService |
| [15:10:18] | darthanubis: | ugh |
| [15:10:34] | darthanubis: | in no way is that helpful |
| [15:10:39] | dreamor: | 2008-07–26 09:57:29.556 sourceid 1 has lineup type: CableDigital2008-07–26 09:59:14.905 Parsing downloaded XML — end2008-07–26 09:59:14.905 DataDirect: Slept 248.6 seconds to releave pressure on DB2008-07–26 09:59:14.906 Grab complete. Actual data from Sat Jul 26 05:00:00 2008 to Sun Jul 27 05:00:00 2008 (UTC)2008-07–26 09:59:14.907 Main temp tables populated.2008-07–26 09:59:15.907 Updating myth channels.2008-07–26 09:59:16. |
| [15:10:39] | dreamor: | 6 09:59:16.025 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'A & E Network' (AETV).2008-07–26 09:59:16.025 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'Black Entertainment Television' (BET).2008-07–26 09:59:16.025 DataDirect: Not adding channel 'Bravo' (BRAVO |
| [15:10:46] | darthanubis: | JC! |
| [15:10:50] | dreamor: | Sorry |
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| [15:11:19] | darthanubis: | try to never do that in any channel |
| [15:11:20] | dreamor: | I truncated it here. I thought maybe something would be usefil up to ths point |
| [15:11:21] | darthanubis: | ;/ |
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| [15:12:05] | dreamor: | Hell I'm gonna kill mythfill and just set it all up again |
| [15:13:17] | dreamor: | Here is what confused me. In the Docs it says "if you are configuring a digital source such as a DVB card, you need scan for channels and you must do this before pressing the "Fetch channels from listings source" |
| [15:14:01] | darthanubis: | I know |
| [15:14:14] | darthanubis: | try it again |
| [15:14:18] | dreamor: | Freaking mythfill takes forever |
| [15:14:19] | darthanubis: | scan then fetch |
| [15:14:24] | darthanubis: | I don't use digital |
| [15:14:37] | darthanubis: | what are your PC specs? |
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| [15:16:22] | dreamor: | Intel Core 2 Duo Allendale core e4300, 1 Gb Ram, 250 Gb SATA HD, Nvidia 6200, KWORLD ATSC 115 |
| [15:16:56] | darthanubis: | oh, your straight |
| [15:17:35] | dreamor: | Yeah when I was watching an unknown channel it was only using 10% of the CPU |
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| [15:19:40] | dreamor: | The output is a little choppy, but I'm not sure if thats because its scaling to 1080p on my 26" LCD monitor. I will eventually hook this up to my TV so it won't have to stretch so much. I just have it at my desk so I can get everything working before I hook it to the TV |
| [15:24:33] | dustybin: | is there a version of the mythtv backend what runs on freebsd? |
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| [15:24:40] | dustybin: | actually no |
| [15:24:43] | dustybin: | of course not |
| [15:25:09] | GreyFoxx: | actually the backend use to compile and run on freebsd |
| [15:25:17] | GreyFoxx: | I have no particualr reason to think it doesn't now |
| [15:25:29] | GreyFoxx: | there is even a version of the ivtv driver for it |
| [15:25:38] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: the thing is, you would also need all those drivers for your TV cards working in freebsd |
| [15:25:48] | GreyFoxx: | dust: I'm aware |
| [15:26:07] | dustybin: | ive always fancied a bit of freebsd |
| [15:26:08] | GreyFoxx: | It doesn't have to support everything :) |
| [15:26:13] | dustybin: | aye |
| [15:26:31] | dustybin: | think ill leave freebsd for my firewall |
| [15:26:33] | GreyFoxx: | I use to ensure the frontend ran and worked under OpenBSD but I haven't in a while |
| [15:26:39] | dustybin: | ok |
| [15:27:08] | dustybin: | bsd is good for mail servers and web servers |
| [15:27:08] | GreyFoxx: | http://www.phaze.org/mythtv/mythtv-openbsdvm-x11.jpg |
| [15:27:25] | dustybin: | haha interesting |
| [15:27:34] | GreyFoxx: | One of these days I'll go over it again and make sure it still works |
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| [15:28:50] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: yes |
| [15:29:14] | wagnerrp: | a while back, i patched 0.21-fixes to build on freebsd |
| [15:29:56] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [15:30:15] | wagnerrp: | frontend and backend both compile and run |
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| [15:30:20] | dustybin: | ace |
| [15:30:24] | wagnerrp: | ive not found any glitches in the backend |
| [15:30:32] | wagnerrp: | ive hardly used the frontend to notice any problems |
| [15:30:32] | dustybin: | excellent |
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| [15:31:06] | wagnerrp: | no tuner cards though |
| [15:31:20] | wagnerrp: | i have mine as the primay backend and uPnP server, but it has no tuner cards |
| [15:31:29] | wagnerrp: | havent been able to get the drivers to compile |
| [15:32:14] | massi: | hello guys, I'd like to install mythtv on my kubuntu/ubuntu distro. But can I do it via Adept/Synaptic? |
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| [15:38:00] | kslater: | massi – there is a package you can install from the mythbuntu distro |
| [15:38:10] | kslater: | should give you a complete system on to of ubuntu |
| [15:38:18] | kslater: | been some time since I did that though |
| [15:40:07] | riddlebox: | is there a way I can set it up so that after my system records a nuv file it gets turned into a mpg file? |
| [15:40:29] | riddlebox: | kslater, you can apt-get mythbuntu-desktop I think |
| [15:40:46] | wagnerrp: | riddlebox: mythtranscode |
| [15:40:55] | kslater: | right. I think that's the package you install to get it. |
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| [15:41:20] | kslater: | seems there was one to get just the frontend and another that would turn it into a somewhat dedicated myth machine |
| [15:41:36] | riddlebox: | wagnerrp, so I can set it up that the system transcodes it right after it is done recording? |
| [15:41:42] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [15:41:53] | riddlebox: | kslater, sudo apt-get install mythfrontend |
| [15:42:21] | kslater: | there you go |
| [15:42:23] | wagnerrp: | kslater: not anymore |
| [15:42:27] | kslater: | no? |
| [15:42:36] | kslater: | actually it was massi that asked |
| [15:42:36] | riddlebox: | sudo apt-get install ubuntu-mythtv-frontend |
| [15:42:41] | wagnerrp: | that was getting abused, so there are no separate frontend and backend builds in 0.21 |
| [15:42:47] | wagnerrp: | its all or nothing |
| [15:42:54] | kslater: | ah |
| [15:43:08] | riddlebox: | I am using 7.10, I just did apt-cache search mythtv and saw that |
| [15:43:11] | wagnerrp: | unless the packagers took it upon themselves to manually split up the frontend and backend |
| [15:43:17] | kslater: | too bad. I liked having the ability to only pull down the frontend bits for laptops |
| [15:44:02] | kslater: | time to go get something done |
| [15:44:03] | wagnerrp: | well the two combined are not considerably larger |
| [15:44:12] | riddlebox: | kslater, http://pastebin.com/m5fa4230f |
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| [15:48:46] | riddlebox: | wagnerrp, how would I set it up so that as soon as a nuv file is done, it would be transcoded into mpg and I can still view it from the frontend without even knowing it was different? |
| [15:49:08] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt know, ive never used transcode before |
| [15:50:40] | riddlebox: | I saw something about nuvexport too |
| [15:51:27] | riddlebox: | I just have a mediamvp that works great for my pvr500 recorded shows, but my pinnacle 800i recorded shows are nuv and it wont play those |
| [15:51:44] | massi: | kslater: I need to download myth |
| [15:51:51] | massi: | kslater: I need to download mythbuntu then? |
| [15:52:53] | riddlebox: | massi, which version of ubuntu do you have? |
| [15:53:08] | massi: | kslater: 8.04 |
| [15:53:52] | riddlebox: | massi, I would try sudo apt-cache search mythtv and see if any of those packages will do for you |
| [15:54:39] | massi: | kslater: there are a lot oh them :D |
| [15:55:55] | massi: | kslater: i need to search for some kind of meta-packet? |
| [15:57:49] | riddlebox: | wagnerrp, the ubuntu forums comes to the rescue again, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=346778 |
| [15:58:02] | riddlebox: | massi, I am helping you |
| [15:58:32] | riddlebox: | massi, are you just wanting to do a frontend? |
| [15:58:43] | massi: | I have just 1 pc |
| [15:58:58] | massi: | i dont know what i have to do :D |
| [15:59:16] | riddlebox: | so you want to create a mythtv box correct? |
| [16:00:03] | massi: | thx for link riddlebox but it does not talk about installation |
| [16:00:12] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not really ideal unless you can dedicate hardware to it |
| [16:00:26] | riddlebox: | massi, its not for you |
| [16:00:54] | massi: | but i ve just got a tvtuner :( |
| [16:01:13] | riddlebox: | massi, you can do it, what kind of tuner? is it supported? |
| [16:01:54] | massi: | riddlebox: yes I can see dvb-t in kaffeine and analog on tvtime |
| [16:02:48] | massi: | is mycinema h7131 hybrid |
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| [16:03:31] | riddlebox: | then just do sudo apt-get install mythtv mythtvbackend mysql-server |
| [16:03:53] | massi: | wow thx |
| [16:04:43] | riddlebox: | massi, then you will have to setup mythtv after that, and then buy a subscription to schedules direct to get the tv schedules |
| [16:05:04] | massi: | riddlebox: i did it but console says there is not mythvtbackend :( |
| [16:05:18] | riddlebox: | sudo apt-get install mythtv |
| [16:05:50] | massi: | riddlebox: just 39,9MB ? |
| [16:06:14] | riddlebox: | massi, what are the dependencies it says it will download? |
| [16:06:48] | massi: | may I past here? |
| [16:06:59] | riddlebox: | use pastebin.ca |
| [16:07:11] | massi: | ok |
| [16:09:48] | massi: | riddlebox: http://pastebin.com/d2f7b96dc |
| [16:11:25] | riddlebox: | looks ok to me |
| [16:11:58] | massi: | thx a lot riddlebox |
| [16:12:41] | massi: | thx to all |
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| [16:13:04] | navreet: | hi |
| [16:13:06] | massi: | i m afraid we will see again and soon :D |
| [16:13:58] | navreet: | i have a mythbackend, and another frontend computer, however when I try to open up videos from my frontend, it still tries to find the local path of videos of the backend, so on my front end it says it can't find "/var/...blabla.avi" |
| [16:14:21] | navreet: | but /var/...blabla.avi is on my backend machine, not my frontend one, is there a way the front end can play that file? |
| [16:14:57] | GreyFoxx: | mount the backend directory on the frontend in the same location ? |
| [16:15:09] | GreyFoxx: | Myth only streams the recordings via it'sprotocols, not mythvideo stuff |
| [16:15:19] | navreet: | got it |
| [16:15:23] | navreet: | so maybe use NFS |
| [16:15:24] | navreet: | ? |
| [16:15:28] | GreyFoxx: | That's what I do |
| [16:15:31] | wagnerrp: | nfs or samba, yes |
| [16:15:44] | navreet: | i heard samba sucks, but not sure why |
| [16:15:53] | navreet: | the drive is fat32 |
| [16:16:06] | wagnerrp: | samba is just more complex |
| [16:16:13] | navreet: | i tried using nfs, so it didn't work with that |
| [16:16:16] | wagnerrp: | where as nfs is simple to a fault |
| [16:16:36] | wagnerrp: | nfs will work, you just have to have it in the exact same file path on both machines |
| [16:16:37] | navreet: | i'll give samba a shot |
| [16:16:58] | navreet: | wagnerrp, nfs was complaining about the drive being fat32 |
| [16:16:59] | wagnerrp: | i say 'to a fault', because there is really no security or access controls |
| [16:17:10] | navreet: | probably shouldn't have made it fat32... the drive is 750GB |
| [16:17:16] | wagnerrp: | really... i would think that wouldnt matter |
| [16:17:17] | massi: | guys I must start mythvt o mythtvbeckend first of all? |
| [16:17:20] | navreet: | it's ok, it's only on the lan |
| [16:17:53] | navreet: | /dev/sda4 on /media/storage type fuseblk |
| [16:17:59] | navreet: | wait, what is fuseblk? |
| [16:18:25] | navreet: | err it's ntfs |
| [16:18:35] | navreet: | hmm |
| [16:18:57] | wagnerrp: | ntfs is less than ideal for a linux box |
| [16:18:58] | navreet: | i'll give it another shot |
| [16:18:59] | navreet: | thanks |
| [16:19:07] | navreet: | i thought the kernel had support for it |
| [16:19:16] | wagnerrp: | experimental |
| [16:19:18] | navreet: | it's just in case I want to put the drive into a windows box |
| [16:19:22] | wagnerrp: | well read support is just fine |
| [16:19:28] | wagnerrp: | write support, not so much |
| [16:19:41] | navreet: | yeah... |
| [16:19:43] | navreet: | i gotta go though |
| [16:19:45] | navreet: | thanx |
| [16:24:06] | massi: | ehm there is some noob-guide for mythtv? |
| [16:24:21] | massi: | i m not able iven to start it |
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| [16:28:48] | riddlebox: | massi, open a terminal and run mythtv-setup |
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| [16:29:13] | wagnerrp: | massi: read through the manual on the wiki |
| [16:30:10] | mzb_d800: | wagnerrp: there is security in nfs ... look harder (and check your version) |
| [16:30:43] | wagnerrp: | there is security, but its purely trust based |
| [16:31:27] | mzb_d800: | check your version |
| [16:31:55] | mzb_d800: | mind you, afaik v4 is no good for speed |
| [16:31:57] | wagnerrp: | well NFSv3 anyway, NFSv4 has better security options |
| [16:32:36] | massi: | riddlebox: i ve just run mythtv-setup but i go to loop some questions about database maybe it' better i look on wiki thx anyway |
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| [16:37:59] | fungos: | Im trying to setup mythtv here, but it aways says: "2008-07–26 13:37:37.842 videolist.cpp: getVideoListMetadata: index out of bounds: 0" |
| [16:38:31] | fungos: | I have only one path configured as Default storage and that path has lots of *.avi, *.mkv, *.srt and subdirs |
| [16:40:33] | fungos: | anyone? |
| [16:42:26] | mzb_d800: | -v all |
| [16:43:07] | mzb_d800: | (and pastebin your output if that doesn't tell you why) |
| [16:44:36] | fungos: | do you say, mythfrontend -v all ? |
| [16:44:36] | rooaus: | fungos: Is that error when you go into myth video? |
| [16:44:42] | fungos: | yes |
| [16:47:04] | fungos: | with -v all: http://pastebin.ca/1083571 |
| [16:47:36] | fungos: | looks like mythfilldatabase doent added any movie to DB |
| [16:48:15] | rooaus: | I don't think that is anything to worry about, I created a patch (#4452) to avoid that in the log file but guess it was not correct. It won't cause you any probs iirc. |
| [16:51:02] | fungos: | I doesn't get it, why it wont find my movies? |
| [16:51:41] | rooaus: | mythfilldatabase is for grabbing tv guide data and storage groups are for recorded tv not mythvideo videos. Set up the directories for mythvideo and do a scan in myth video. |
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| [16:53:41] | fungos: | oh I will try it |
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| [16:55:35] | dustybin: | "Talk is cheap. Show me the code." – Linus Torvalds |
| [16:55:40] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you in here use projectors to watch tv/etc? |
| [16:57:22] | rooaus: | dustybin: My favourite is: "Only wimps use tape backup: _real_ men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it" |
| [16:57:36] | dustybin: | LOL |
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| [16:58:25] | fungos: | mythvideo won't fetch covers from imdb based on filename? |
| [16:58:41] | black_Nightmare_: | rooaus :p |
| [16:58:46] | PatrickDK: | only if it can find a good match |
| [16:58:59] | black_Nightmare_: | either way one of my first related question is: how far is your projector from the wall/screen? |
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| [17:00:19] | fungos: | PatrickDK: but it event tried, I need force it ? |
| [17:06:25] | Nergar: | hello |
| [17:06:55] | PatrickDK: | but it event tried? |
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| [17:07:05] | PatrickDK: | when I do mine, 95% of the time, it does it automatically |
| [17:07:14] | PatrickDK: | sometimes I have to select between a few entries |
| [17:07:29] | PatrickDK: | and sometimes it just fails, and I have to look for it on imdb myself |
| [17:09:14] | Nergar: | I wans to setup something similar to Dell Media Direct on my laptop, just want to play videos and audio, I don't want to record TV. Is myth the best way to go? |
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| [17:13:43] | wagnerrp: | nergar: no |
| [17:14:24] | Nergar: | :( then what do you recommend? |
| [17:15:21] | joomla_user: | ipod |
| [17:16:55] | wagnerrp: | can you run XBMC on a desktop? |
| [17:17:13] | black_Nightmare_: | oh and before I forget..I know that mythtv can handle thumbdrives directly but still .. hm just wondering what kind of formats you can use on these usb-supporting av receivers anyway? |
| [17:17:17] | wagnerrp: | basically mythtv is an exceedingly complex solution if you dont want to use TV |
| [17:17:19] | GreyFoxx: | there is a linux port of it now |
| [17:17:24] | GreyFoxx: | no idea how far along it is |
| [17:17:28] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp I have to agree |
| [17:18:41] | joomla_user: | Nergar, elisa, freevo |
| [17:18:54] | wagnerrp: | ive heard mixed opinions about elisa |
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| [17:20:09] | Nergar: | joomla_user, ok thanks |
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| [17:23:24] | Nergar: | elisa looks good but it has a long way to go |
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| [17:29:27] | Dagmar: | We probably need to do somethingn about removable drives. |
| [17:29:48] | Dagmar: | Like, scribble up a spec for a tag file that can be stuck on 'em so that they'll immediately populate in MythVideo as temporary entries |
| [17:30:08] | Dagmar: | It would definitely be something that could add enormously to the utility of MythArchive |
| [17:31:45] | wagnerrp: | well you would either have to keep all metadata in there as well, or make persistent, hidden entries in the database |
| [17:31:52] | wagnerrp: | that are only shown when the media is available |
| [17:32:11] | Dagmar: | I've given some thought to that actually |
| [17:32:43] | Dagmar: | We've already a hook watching for new media being inserted just to trigger the DVD player |
| [17:33:02] | Dagmar: | So I've been poking around with some HAL stuff to farm that out a bit |
| [17:33:26] | Dagmar: | ...so that if some new hot pluggable media gets added, it can be checked for an XML file |
| [17:33:47] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, i need to fix DBUS on my frontend |
| [17:33:48] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure HAL is quite ready for that tho, since it's still completely lost about whether or not some media are hot-pluggable |
| [17:34:27] | wagnerrp: | it wont shutdown, i have to -9 it to get the system to shutdown properly |
| [17:34:27] | black_Nightmare_: | hm well need to afk for a while to work on some more things |
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| [17:35:55] | Dagmar: | Mm... That's irksome. It shouldn't be ignoring the -15 unless it's "just plain broke" |
| [17:36:08] | wagnerrp: | the last couple reboots, it has necessitated going downstairs and hitting the reset button |
| [17:36:15] | wagnerrp: | since the shutdown process had already killed ssh |
| [17:36:37] | wagnerrp: | of course doing so then requires a fsck run on the disks |
| [17:36:52] | wagnerrp: | which has to be done manually because for whatever reason, JFS doesnt want to do it automatically |
| [17:36:56] | wagnerrp: | something else i have to fix |
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| [17:44:08] | Dagmar: | Sounds like you need to shoot that whole damn filesystem |
| [17:44:56] | wagnerrp: | ah, so thats what the sixth field in fstab does! |
| [17:45:10] | Dagmar: | Whoa |
| [17:45:28] | Dagmar: | Um that's a pretty serious issue to be getting wrong. heh |
| [17:45:29] | wagnerrp: | 7 years on *nix systems, and ive never bothered to find that out... :) |
| [17:45:35] | Dagmar: | lol |
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| [17:46:04] | wagnerrp: | i always just set it to '0 0' on non-system disks |
| [17:46:20] | Dagmar: | Wow. No. |
| [17:46:24] | Dagmar: | That's definitely not right. Hehe |
| [17:46:28] | Dagmar: | No wonder you were having trouble. |
| [17:46:48] | Dagmar: | You want "1" and "2" as those last two fields for just about any "real" disk |
| [17:47:50] | Dagmar: | You put 0 in field five and it'll likely result in unclean dismounts |
| [17:47:51] | wagnerrp: | well except for JFS, every other file system has decided to call fsck on its own |
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| [17:48:46] | Dagmar: | If you put 0 in the sixth field, it'll try to mount that filesystem way early, which is probably also likely to fail if it's mount point comes later |
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| [17:49:04] | Dagmar: | they're supposed to call fsck as a sanity check |
| [17:49:14] | Dagmar: | Whether or not fsck has to do anything is up to what you set with tunefs |
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| [17:49:54] | Dagmar: | If you've been having it *not* dump/sync the filesystem before shutting down, fsck is probably the only thing that was standing between you and seriously damaged filesystems |
| [17:50:34] | Dagmar: | With journaling filesystems and _properly_ unmounted filesystems, the fsck part of things should go by in about a half second. |
| [17:50:37] | wagnerrp: | really, every installer ive used has defaulted to '0 something' in fstab |
| [17:50:46] | Dagmar: | Doubtful man |
| [17:50:52] | Dagmar: | That would be very, very wrong. |
| [17:50:54] | GreyFoxx: | maybe for swap or nfsmounts |
| [17:51:05] | GreyFoxx: | but not for real drives/partitions |
| [17:51:14] | GreyFoxx: | If they do they are borked |
| [17:51:24] | Dagmar: | You only want a zero in field five for filesystems that aren't managed by that machine, or that are mounted read-only becuase they are read-only media |
| [17:52:00] | wagnerrp: | youre right, it is a 1 or 2 |
| [17:52:03] | Dagmar: | Like, swap can be 0 because when yer done with it, you're done with it. It doesn't have to really be much aside from blank space when the machine boots back up |
| [17:52:04] | wagnerrp: | seems i should fix that |
| [17:52:31] | Dagmar: | Field 5 should just be 0 or 1, for not-dump, or dump. |
| [17:52:50] | wagnerrp: | and here i thought i was done with needing protection from myself |
| [17:52:51] | Dagmar: | So, 1, for just about everything except optical disks and swap, and HAL should be taking care of that bit now anyway |
| [17:53:45] | Dagmar: | ...and just to make sure someone sane has said this to you, that sixth field is mount order. |
| [17:54:09] | Dagmar: | So, like, swap gets mounted in the first pass because it's got a 0. |
| [17:54:17] | Dagmar: | Then / gets mounted because it's got a 1 there |
| [17:54:37] | Dagmar: | Then everything that would attach to / (like /usr, /var, and so on) gets a 2 |
| [17:55:00] | Dagmar: | ...and anything that would potentially be mounted attached to any of THOSE gets a yet higher number, but i've never had cause to use anything higher than 2 |
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| [17:59:13] | wagnerrp: | well ive never had any considerable storage on linux, besides mythtv recordings |
| [17:59:37] | wagnerrp: | its always been on freebsd machines, which run disk IO synchronously, so theres no need for a sync |
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| [18:24:18] | Dagmar: | Oh my |
| [18:24:53] | Dagmar: | nslookup 69.69.69.69 |
| [18:25:27] | wagnerrp: | vanity IP addresses? |
| [18:26:07] | dustybin: | when i build my future home server it will store: HD MythTV recordings, music, photos, video, zoneminder recordings, and general net storage. each will have its own partion and will probably be about 6/7x 1TB disks in RAID6 configuration |
| [18:26:29] | wagnerrp: | why would each be its own partition? |
| [18:26:49] | dustybin: | it makes it neat and tidy |
| [18:26:52] | wagnerrp: | partitions remove flexibility |
| [18:27:02] | dustybin: | really? |
| [18:27:21] | wagnerrp: | what if you partition off 80GB for music, and then exceed that |
| [18:27:28] | dustybin: | oh yes |
| [18:27:31] | dustybin: | !!!!! |
| [18:27:35] | dustybin: | good thinking |
| [18:27:39] | PatrickDK: | personally I would just lvm it |
| [18:27:41] | wagnerrp: | what if you partition off 200GB, and then only use 30GB of that |
| [18:27:44] | Dagmar: | That's when you prod LVM and say "MAKE I BIGGAR!" |
| [18:27:48] | PatrickDK: | setup partitions |
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| [18:27:52] | PatrickDK: | and grow them when needed |
| [18:28:03] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: how would you backup your LVM |
| [18:28:12] | PatrickDK: | why would you need to backup lvm? |
| [18:28:16] | dustybin: | RAID6 backs itself up |
| [18:28:16] | PatrickDK: | you backup partitions |
| [18:28:33] | PatrickDK: | lvm has nothing to do with backups |
| [18:28:47] | dustybin: | a backup meaning if a drive fails not all is lost |
| [18:28:49] | dustybin: | or 2 drives |
| [18:28:52] | dreamor: | Please god help. I cannot get channel listings to work with my DVB card. Does anyone have a DVB card and how did you get the channels to say anything but unkown? |
| [18:29:00] | PatrickDK: | ya, lvm has nothing to do with backup/raid/... |
| [18:29:02] | Dagmar: | LVM still has nothing to do with that |
| [18:29:02] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: no, thats redundancy |
| [18:29:10] | jamesd: | the only way home users can back up lvm's is multiple hopefully larger lvms.. tape too expensive, zfs offers snapshots, but what other options are there. |
| [18:29:12] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:29:22] | Dagmar: | jamesd: bullshit |
| [18:29:26] | dustybin: | RAID has redundancy LVM doesnt |
| [18:29:27] | PatrickDK: | lvm lets you create/delete/expand/shrink/mirror partitons easily |
| [18:29:30] | wagnerrp: | backup means you have a complete separate copy of the data from some period in time |
| [18:29:37] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, you need help |
| [18:29:39] | Dagmar: | Large filesystems have that problem. |
| [18:29:44] | dustybin: | jamesd: i only have 1 thing to say |
| [18:29:44] | Dagmar: | It's not an "LVM problem" |
| [18:29:45] | PatrickDK: | harddrives -> raid -> lvm -> partitions |
| [18:29:50] | GreyFoxx: | dream: What is your source of the signal? Cable? Sattellite? |
| [18:29:55] | jamesd: | waits to hear what dagar comes up with to backup 1.5TB of data... |
| [18:30:07] | dreamor: | GreyFoxx: Cable |
| [18:30:13] | Dagmar: | jamesd: A few removable drives. |
| [18:30:13] | wagnerrp: | jamesd: a... 1.5TB hard drive |
| [18:30:14] | GreyFoxx: | dream: North America ? |
| [18:30:20] | Dagmar: | Do you have any more stupid questions? |
| [18:30:27] | dreamor: | GreyFoxx: Yes, Comcast in houstong |
| [18:30:33] | dreamor: | err Houston |
| [18:30:37] | GreyFoxx: | Dream: Ok, you have to do a channel scan first, to find any unencrypted QAM channels |
| [18:30:47] | jamesd: | wagnerrp, can't afford it and it doesn't come out till next month anyway. |
| [18:30:48] | dreamor: | GreyFoxx: Did that |
| [18:30:50] | GreyFoxx: | then you have to tune to them to find out which channels they are |
| [18:31:08] | dreamor: | GreyFoxx: How do I do that? |
| [18:31:09] | GreyFoxx: | once you know that you have to edit the channel and set the XMLTVID to the proper value so that your listings will match up |
| [18:31:12] | wagnerrp: | jamesd: thats what a backup is |
| [18:31:32] | wagnerrp: | you backup to optical media, you backup to tape, you backup to hard disk, and then you store the backup elsewhere |
| [18:31:39] | GreyFoxx: | dream: Just enterlive, change channels |
| [18:31:50] | wagnerrp: | each method is expensive in money or time |
| [18:31:52] | GreyFoxx: | wait for a channel identification of some sort (like the logos in the corner) |
| [18:32:03] | GreyFoxx: | Honestly it's pain in the ass for QAM cabel sources |
| [18:32:09] | wagnerrp: | but the question is, do you need backups? or do you just need redundancy? |
| [18:32:16] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: harddrives -> raid -> lvm -> partitions <-- i didnt realise you can do that |
| [18:32:17] | GreyFoxx: | since they don't general broadcast the channel id's in the digital stream |
| [18:32:26] | dustybin: | i thought LVM was on the same level as RAID |
| [18:32:35] | PatrickDK: | hmm, nope |
| [18:32:36] | Dagmar: | Considering I am currently sitting about 100 feet from over 100 terabytes of disk arrays and about 1000 nodes from various clusters, yer not coming up with any "hard questions" about how to back things up. |
| [18:32:39] | PatrickDK: | you can put lvm at any level |
| [18:32:44] | wagnerrp: | yes, and no |
| [18:32:51] | PatrickDK: | though I don't thing the support tools support all the levels |
| [18:32:52] | dreamor: | GreyFoxx: How do I get the XMLTVID? |
| [18:32:55] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: what advantage would i have using LVM? |
| [18:33:00] | wagnerrp: | lvm can be in place of traditional raid systems, or it can run on top of raid systems |
| [18:33:08] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:33:11] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, what I have been saying, you can resides your paritions easily |
| [18:33:17] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Not having to stress out about partition sizes |
| [18:33:18] | jamesd: | hmmm.. the only difference from what i said and what wagnerrp said is that i didn't specify else where... i said on mulple lvm's meaning on harddisk.. and since most home machines aren't large enought to handle large number of drives... you need them on different systems obviosly. |
| [18:33:18] | PatrickDK: | grow them, shrink, delete, ... |
| [18:33:27] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [18:33:27] | GreyFoxx: | dream: Noit sure if there is an official way or if it's available in the schedulesdirect.org web interface for editing your channels that you get from them |
| [18:33:43] | GreyFoxx: | I cheated and manually downloaded 1 day of listings and dug out the info myself :) |
| [18:33:59] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Whether or not your filesystem supports growing or shrinking is dependent on the filesystem you chose, but LVM eliminates problems with partitions bumping into each otehr and needing to be rearranged by force majeure |
| [18:34:06] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: did you use a bit of regex :P |
| [18:34:27] | dustybin: | Dagmar: interesting |
| [18:34:47] | dustybin: | Harddrive > RAID6 > LVM FTW |
| [18:35:00] | Dagmar: | dustybin: Ther'es also some nice magic for when you need to remove/replace a physical volume in a hurry |
| [18:35:08] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:35:12] | dreamor: | Ok what is a XMLTVID? |
| [18:35:14] | GreyFoxx: | We've talked about starting some sort of channel tracking service off of mythtv.org to make this sort of thing easier |
| [18:35:35] | PatrickDK: | what is always fun if you have massive amounts of drives |
| [18:35:43] | Dagmar: | Like, you can throw a new 500Gb drive at it, and then tell it up to 500Gb of other stuff is no longer welcome, and it'll start migrating things off the ones you marked as going away |
| [18:35:46] | PatrickDK: | is to have raid drives on a controller |
| [18:35:48] | dustybin: | where is justinh? did he quit with a rude quit message at some point? |
| [18:35:52] | PatrickDK: | then raid the controllers |
| [18:35:57] | PatrickDK: | or use lvm to raid the controllers |
| [18:36:17] | PatrickDK: | then a whole raid card + drives can die, and the system keeps going |
| [18:36:25] | dreamor: | Thanks it sounds like it takes a long time |
| [18:36:46] | dreamor: | I guess I'll try again when I get back from my trip |
| [18:38:15] | dustybin: | i might RAID1 my OS drive in my server, do you think thats a good idea? |
| [18:38:45] | dustybin: | maybe use the onboard RAID controller on the mobo for that |
| [18:39:35] | dustybin: | then get a 8 port 3ware card for the rest of the drives |
| [18:39:56] | dustybin: | mirroring the os is a good idea? |
| [18:40:05] | wagnerrp: | well its not a bad idea |
| [18:40:18] | PatrickDK: | I hate onborad raid |
| [18:40:19] | Dagmar: | It's just not exactly a high-priority |
| [18:40:27] | Dagmar: | ...and complicates booting. |
| [18:40:30] | PatrickDK: | I trust raid cards, but motherboards, and other crappy raid cards suck |
| [18:40:31] | dustybin: | i could get 2x cheap 40gig SATAs and mirror them |
| [18:40:35] | wagnerrp: | chances are a relatively unused drive such as that will not fail |
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| [18:41:12] | dustybin: | maybe i could pickup a RAID1 2 port card for that |
| [18:41:26] | wagnerrp: | that would be a complete waste |
| [18:41:29] | Dagmar: | Yer prolly better off spending your time getting the machine booting the OS off say, a 4Gb thumbdrive |
| [18:41:37] | dustybin: | good idea |
| [18:42:01] | Dagmar: | It'll have a very very low chance of failure, so long as you make sure /tmp is acutally tmpfs in RAM and not writing to the thumbdrive all the time |
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| [18:42:16] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:42:18] | wagnerrp: | also, theres not much point to buying 40GB hard drives |
| [18:42:21] | PatrickDK: | and the log dir |
| [18:42:36] | Dagmar: | Damn hard to FIND small hard drives now anyway |
| [18:42:38] | PatrickDK: | or place /var on the other harddrives |
| [18:43:02] | wagnerrp: | a 160GB drive is all of $5 more than a 40GB drive |
| [18:43:09] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:43:14] | PatrickDK: | I just use 160gig drives |
| [18:43:18] | PatrickDK: | format the os for like 40gigs |
| [18:43:28] | dustybin: | thats a LOT for OS |
| [18:43:29] | PatrickDK: | and use the rest as storage space for backups of the os partition |
| [18:43:38] | wagnerrp: | plus the 40GB is likely to be old stock, much lower performance |
| [18:43:40] | dustybin: | more like 20gig max for the os |
| [18:43:46] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, not if your os includes 20+gigs of map data |
| [18:43:51] | dustybin: | oh |
| [18:44:21] | PatrickDK: | on my servrs I use 5gig for os |
| [18:44:25] | dustybin: | nice |
| [18:44:26] | PatrickDK: | on workstations I normally do 40gig |
| [18:44:31] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:44:45] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: do you have more than 1 server at home |
| [18:45:09] | PatrickDK: | at home, I have 3 |
| [18:45:17] | PatrickDK: | at my datacenter, I have 7 |
| [18:45:34] | PatrickDK: | and at works datacenter, I have 5 |
| [18:45:43] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: instead of wasting leccy, why dont you use 1 server at home |
| [18:45:58] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, sure, if you could show me how |
| [18:46:10] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: do you need 3 different OS? |
| [18:46:15] | Dagmar: | Hardware just kinda "piles up" over the years at home |
| [18:46:19] | PatrickDK: | nope |
| [18:46:25] | PatrickDK: | but I am out of slots in all the servers |
| [18:46:31] | dustybin: | jeeze |
| [18:46:38] | PatrickDK: | and am overloading the pci-x buses |
| [18:46:42] | PatrickDK: | so I need 3 servers |
| [18:46:46] | dustybin: | bloody heck |
| [18:46:55] | PatrickDK: | no, my servers aren't idle |
| [18:47:14] | PatrickDK: | the MOST idle one is the mythtv backend |
| [18:47:27] | dustybin: | bone.idle.backend.net |
| [18:48:02] | PatrickDK: | My house uses 1320watts |
| [18:48:09] | PatrickDK: | of that <500watts are computers |
| [18:48:15] | dustybin: | thats not too bad |
| [18:48:28] | PatrickDK: | so overall, saving on computer electricity isn't going help me much |
| [18:48:49] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: what kind of internet connection do you have at home? fibre? |
| [18:48:51] | PatrickDK: | the wife leaving every tv on in the house all the time, would |
| [18:48:56] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [18:48:57] | PatrickDK: | cable |
| [18:49:01] | dustybin: | aye ok |
| [18:49:11] | PatrickDK: | the datacenter has gigabit |
| [18:49:18] | PatrickDK: | and works datacenter has 4gigabit now |
| [18:49:24] | dustybin: | i wish i could buy a internet connection without being tied to either my BT phoneline or Virgin cable |
| [18:49:27] | dustybin: | or sky |
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| [18:49:50] | wagnerrp: | so... you want internet without a provider? |
| [18:49:53] | PatrickDK: | I just need enough internet for irc, ssh, schedulesdirect |
| [18:50:09] | dustybin: | internet without BT or virgin or sky |
| [18:50:09] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, you could get it |
| [18:50:16] | PatrickDK: | you just have to pay localloop charges |
| [18:50:25] | dustybin: | id like my ISP to dig up my road and do the cable themselves |
| [18:50:46] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:50:54] | dustybin: | im not sure if that works in UK |
| [18:51:11] | PatrickDK: | I dunno about over there, but a t1 localloop to a house is around $400 usd |
| [18:51:23] | PatrickDK: | if you don't live in the boonies |
| [18:51:27] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:51:34] | PatrickDK: | per month |
| [18:51:59] | PatrickDK: | then you have to get internet services on that line |
| [18:52:05] | PatrickDK: | add another few hundred |
| [18:52:13] | dustybin: | ok |
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| [18:53:06] | wagnerrp: | do you still have to buy the full telecommunications backend? oo can you get bare fiber? |
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| [18:54:47] | PatrickDK: | I can get bare fiber |
| [18:55:06] | PatrickDK: | not at home, without really exensive installation fees |
| [18:55:32] | PatrickDK: | bare fiber = dark fiber |
| [18:55:57] | iamlindoro: | I've got fiber |
| [18:56:10] | iamlindoro: | It's getting it connected to something and dug under the streets I don't have |
| [18:56:13] | wagnerrp: | well i mean like a T1, without all the backend equipment to run 28 analog lines through it |
| [18:56:38] | wagnerrp: | although anymore, a T1 is rather slow |
| [18:57:05] | PatrickDK: | a T1 is a line without 24/30 analog lines on it |
| [18:57:15] | PatrickDK: | a T1 with phone lines is called a PRI |
| [18:57:44] | wagnerrp: | i always thought FO lines were so expensive because they had all the equipment to go along with it |
| [18:57:45] | dreamor: | exit |
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| [18:57:50] | PatrickDK: | a T3 costs about the same as 4 T1 lines |
| [18:57:50] | iamlindoro: | no, YOU exit |
| [18:58:37] | ** PatrickDK wonders what equipment goes with a T1 line ** | |
| [18:58:39] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: no, it's expensive because the telcos are jackasses |
| [18:58:48] | PatrickDK: | normally it's just a card in a router |
| [18:59:05] | PatrickDK: | weither it be a data or voice router |
| [18:59:15] | wagnerrp: | patrickdk: i mean the equipment to make the voice function on the telco side |
| [18:59:31] | PatrickDK: | wagneerp I know, I have that equipment |
| [18:59:46] | PatrickDK: | cause I have a PRI line into a cisco router for voip |
| [19:00:02] | PatrickDK: | voip locally, normal phone lines leaving the building |
| [19:00:37] | PatrickDK: | cisco router $1600, cisco PRI adaptor $1200 |
| [19:00:58] | PatrickDK: | then just through in a few codec chips, and your good to go |
| [19:01:28] | PatrickDK: | the telco isn't charging you jsut for that though |
| [19:01:47] | PatrickDK: | they are also charging you for all the time you will probably be talking to their tech support, and everything else |
| [19:02:02] | PatrickDK: | and atleast here, craploads of taxes |
| [19:10:10] | dustybin: | how would VOIP cope with 54mbps wireless |
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| [19:11:57] | wagnerrp: | the loss may be an issue |
| [19:12:15] | iamlindoro: | Fine, so long as you live on a country road, don't own a microwave, and don't have neighbors within the horizon |
| [19:12:32] | dustybin: | i only found out today what a bad technology super-g 108mbps is |
| [19:12:33] | iamlindoro: | Which is to say, "not well." ;) |
| [19:12:45] | dustybin: | thats why linux madwifi doesnt support it |
| [19:12:53] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: its not bad at all, as long as theres no one else around |
| [19:13:00] | dustybin: | well thats not good |
| [19:13:43] | PatrickDK: | I do voip over wifi pretty good |
| [19:13:46] | iamlindoro: | Not that big a deal, just plug in a phone base somewhere wired, and use a wireless handset |
| [19:14:01] | AndyCap: | just don't get a 2.4Ghz handset. :P |
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| [19:14:07] | PatrickDK: | but it does help to have nice filters, amps, preamp, ... |
| [19:14:10] | iamlindoro: | You mom's basement isn't THAT big |
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| [19:15:00] | iamlindoro: | And thanks to your asperger's nobody wants to call you anyway |
| [19:15:12] | PatrickDK: | hehe |
| [19:15:18] | dustybin: | super-g doesnt comply to standards, thats why there isnt a IEEE code for it |
| [19:15:31] | PatrickDK: | why would you use super-g anyways? |
| [19:15:38] | PatrickDK: | super-g is compressions, voip is already compress |
| [19:15:44] | PatrickDK: | so super-g wouldn't work on it anyways |
| [19:15:45] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: because you hate your neighbours. :) |
| [19:15:53] | dustybin: | super-g bonds 2x 54mbps together and does some other stuff |
| [19:16:07] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: interesting, i didnt know that |
| [19:16:25] | PatrickDK: | I was pretty sure, super-g is nonlinksys |
| [19:16:25] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: and most voip providers don't compress. can't be bothered to spend the cputime on you |
| [19:16:30] | PatrickDK: | and the linksys name for it was afterburner |
| [19:16:35] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: nope |
| [19:16:36] | PatrickDK: | and I know afterburner is just compression |
| [19:16:44] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: it's the chipset manufacturer |
| [19:16:59] | AndyCap: | super-g is atheros if my memory serves me right |
| [19:17:09] | AndyCap: | nitro is intersil / GV / Conexant |
| [19:17:11] | wagnerrp: | super g is everything |
| [19:17:14] | AndyCap: | and afterburner is broadcom |
| [19:17:17] | PatrickDK: | I know netgear lists super-g |
| [19:17:19] | wagnerrp: | bursting, compression, and channel bonding |
| [19:17:39] | AndyCap: | so it depends on what chipset's inside the gear, the brand means nothing. |
| [19:17:47] | dustybin: | IEEE 802.11 n will be the next big thing in wireless |
| [19:18:02] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, I would be, if people didn't cripple it so much |
| [19:18:11] | PatrickDK: | 802.11n is channel bonding |
| [19:18:15] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:18:17] | PatrickDK: | apple flat out won't do it |
| [19:18:33] | AndyCap: | channel bonding would be ok on 5Ghz. |
| [19:18:54] | PatrickDK: | well, the 802.11n supports two channels on 2.4ghz and 5ghz |
| [19:18:59] | PatrickDK: | so a total of 600mbps |
| [19:19:08] | PatrickDK: | apple only supports 2.4 or 5, not both at the same time |
| [19:19:25] | AndyCap: | channelbonding on 2.4 is just anti-social |
| [19:19:37] | PatrickDK: | ya, why I wanted to use 2.4 and 5 at the same time |
| [19:19:43] | PatrickDK: | my 5ghz enabled stuff could use it |
| [19:19:49] | PatrickDK: | and my older crap could stay on 2.4ghz |
| [19:19:54] | PatrickDK: | but apple refuses to support that |
| [19:19:58] | PatrickDK: | linksys does support it |
| [19:20:03] | PatrickDK: | I dunno about anyone else |
| [19:20:08] | ** iamlindoro uses wired Ethernet everywhere and runs the microwave and leaves the cordless phone off the hook just to mess with people ** | |
| [19:20:28] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, you also run a gps jammer? |
| [19:20:35] | iamlindoro: | guilty! |
| [19:20:45] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: I'm sure running the microwave won't mess with you. :) |
| [19:20:56] | iamlindoro: | Birth control |
| [19:21:20] | PatrickDK: | the microwave would have much greater effect if you tool the shielding off it |
| [19:21:31] | AndyCap: | just "fix" the door |
| [19:21:36] | iamlindoro: | Good ol' radiation king |
| [19:21:58] | dustybin: | can you die of radiation if the microwave door was left open and it was on? |
| [19:22:00] | wagnerrp: | a 2kW omnidirectional transmitter , sounds fun |
| [19:22:28] | AndyCap: | dustybin: um, yes. |
| [19:22:32] | PatrickDK: | sounds highly illegal |
| [19:22:33] | dustybin: | jeeze |
| [19:22:34] | wagnerrp: | sort of |
| [19:22:36] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Think of what a microwave does to your food (ie excites the water molecules until all of them are boiling) . Doesn't that SOUND bad for you? |
| [19:22:41] | wagnerrp: | its not called radiation poisoning, but rather cancer |
| [19:22:50] | dustybin: | eeeek |
| [19:22:53] | AndyCap: | nah, just good old fashioned cooking. |
| [19:23:02] | dustybin: | maybe your food is STILL radioactive once you take it out :-S |
| [19:23:04] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: it's not ionizing |
| [19:23:05] | wagnerrp: | or yes, you could just get cooked |
| [19:23:27] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: here, cheap: http://cgi.ebay.com/UNIVERSAL-MAGNETRON-FOR-M . . . 86.m14.l1318 |
| [19:23:28] | PatrickDK: | good think I don't have any water in me :) |
| [19:23:38] | AndyCap: | just add power. |
| [19:23:40] | wagnerrp: | the energy levels are too low to cause mutation? |
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| [19:24:22] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: too low frequency. |
| [19:24:43] | wagnerrp: | right, the packet energy is too low |
| [19:25:07] | AndyCap: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:EM_Spectru . . . ies_edit.svg |
| [19:25:24] | wagnerrp: | photon energy, whatever you want to call it |
| [19:25:35] | PatrickDK: | we need an off-topic timer for this channel :) |
| [19:25:39] | AndyCap: | heh, the jury is still out on that I guess. |
| [19:25:59] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK: As in, measure the hours of offtopic between the seconds of on topic? |
| [19:26:02] | dustybin: | mythtv to raid to microwaves, whatever next :P |
| [19:26:19] | wagnerrp: | hot pockets! |
| [19:27:30] | dustybin: | would i notice a speed difference if i stopped using my netgear super-g 108mbps wireless router and instead used a netgear 54mbps in my old PIII running pfsense? |
| [19:27:36] | PatrickDK: | iamlindoro, I was thinking of, x min since on topic, and when on topic, x seconds till estimated offtopic event |
| [19:27:40] | dustybin: | for general internet use |
| [19:27:52] | wagnerrp: | not at all |
| [19:28:01] | dustybin: | thats that sorted then :-) |
| [19:28:03] | wagnerrp: | well... that depends on how fast your general internet is |
| [19:28:05] | AndyCap: | dustybin: unless the card is really crappy |
| [19:28:19] | PatrickDK: | do you have any 802.11b devices? |
| [19:28:28] | iamlindoro: | PatrickDK: This should go through a complex algorithm that takes into account the presence of black_nightmare, clever, dustybin, or CCFL_MAN |
| [19:28:36] | dustybin: | thinking about getting a Netgear WG311 |
| [19:28:47] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: my macbook pro |
| [19:28:59] | PatrickDK: | 802.11b screws everything except 802.11a |
| [19:29:12] | PatrickDK: | that includes 802.11n |
| [19:29:12] | dustybin: | actually not this is g i think |
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| [19:30:00] | wagnerrp: | basically, if a 'b' device is broadcasting, everything reverts to 'b' mode |
| [19:30:25] | wagnerrp: | unless you have the AP set up to shun the 'b' device like the bastard step child that it is |
| [19:30:40] | PatrickDK: | or you have two ap's setup :) |
| [19:30:52] | PatrickDK: | one for G and one for B, at other ends of the freq's |
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| [19:44:42] | black_Nightmare_: | perhaps OT but well I thought someone might know nevertheless — could hddvd players actually upconvert dvds as well? |
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| [19:46:22] | PatrickDK: | most do |
| [19:46:31] | PatrickDK: | is upconvert any good? not really |
| [19:46:39] | PatrickDK: | shitty in = shitty out |
| [19:48:10] | iamlindoro: | shitty wok! |
| [19:48:27] | wagnerrp: | shitty wall |
| [19:48:39] | black_Nightmare_: | hehehe |
| [19:48:42] | wagnerrp: | dahm mongorians |
| [19:49:56] | black_Nightmare_: | patrick so better to just find a nice dvd player with component-out then if its only dvd discs you wanted? |
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| [19:50:41] | black_Nightmare_: | (re to a hd tv) |
| [19:50:52] | lunaris: | anyone free for some help? |
| [19:50:55] | wagnerrp: | well if youve got spare HDMI ins, its just as well you get a $70 upconverting player, than a $50 standard player |
| [19:51:36] | wagnerrp: | staying digital should provide some quality improvement |
| [19:51:39] | wagnerrp: | but thats debatable |
| [19:51:40] | PatrickDK: | ya, upconvert is fine, for dvd |
| [19:51:48] | PatrickDK: | just saying, it won't make it look better |
| [19:51:52] | PatrickDK: | just save you from having two players |
| [19:51:59] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm is hdmi standard for hddvd or just with certain models? |
| [19:53:24] | lunaris: | anyone free for some help? |
| [19:53:43] | wagnerrp: | just ask, someone may eventually answer it |
| [19:53:49] | black_Nightmare_: | (well I meant in the same sense as dvd + component .. still see the occassional player without any component anyway) |
| [19:53:51] | wagnerrp: | if not, ask again in a few hours |
| [19:54:16] | lunaris: | how can I set up mythtv backend? |
| [19:54:23] | wagnerrp: | with mythtv-setup |
| [19:55:35] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : I was doing that,but not successful |
| [19:55:52] | wagnerrp: | well what was it doing, or rather not doing |
| [19:56:51] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : I have entered in applications->system->Mythtv Backend set up |
| [19:57:07] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : and I guess that my ports are not opened ... |
| [19:57:21] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : but not sure in that |
| [19:57:40] | wagnerrp: | mmmm... menus |
| [19:57:56] | wagnerrp: | ports not being opened... meaning its complaining about your mysql server? |
| [19:58:09] | lunaris: | no...just a sec |
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| [19:58:14] | lunaris: | I will copy here |
| [19:58:20] | wagnerrp: | dont copy here |
| [19:58:23] | wagnerrp: | copy to pastebin |
| [19:59:07] | lunaris: | give me the link for pastebin |
| [19:59:14] | wagnerrp: | pastebin.com |
| [20:01:34] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp just curious about it but can mythtv cache (or was that 'buffer'? hm I keep forgetting) a streaming? like in case of latency not being smooth enough directly otherwise |
| [20:02:27] | wagnerrp: | black_Nightmare_: i dont understand the question |
| [20:02:28] | iamlindoro: | Myth buffers *all* streams |
| [20:02:33] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : I cannot paste it from console |
| [20:02:53] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : It's saying that no UnPnP packages there |
| [20:02:54] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You'll run into a lot of that from that guy |
| [20:03:03] | lunaris: | UPnP |
| [20:03:24] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like something the frontend would be saying |
| [20:03:32] | iamlindoro: | I'm amazed at people's ability to paraphrase error messages when they are *staring* right at them |
| [20:04:13] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro ah ok ty .. so if the connection suddenly dropped for a few seconds then came back, the frontend would still be playing the movie like as if it was local anyhow right? |
| [20:04:36] | wagnerrp: | dropped the connection, as in streaming a recording over a wireless network? |
| [20:04:40] | iamlindoro: | black_Nightmare_: If myth loses the connection to the backend, you are likely screwed |
| [20:04:48] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : Cannot connect to port 5634 on database host local host |
| [20:05:20] | wagnerrp: | lunaris: is the mysql server running? did you set up user permissions to the database? |
| [20:05:23] | Dagmar: | If you typed "local host" into the configs instead of "localhost", you should probably get an adult to help you with this |
| [20:05:34] | wagnerrp: | well there is that too |
| [20:05:38] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : How do I do that? |
| [20:06:08] | iamlindoro: | Step 1) Read Documentation |
| [20:06:12] | iamlindoro: | Step 2) Do things therein |
| [20:06:21] | iamlindoro: | Step 3) Watch TV |
| [20:06:53] | lunaris: | iamlindoro : I was looking over wiki for help:) |
| [20:07:09] | iamlindoro: | Wiki != the Documentation |
| [20:07:13] | Dagmar: | Somehow "looking over" doesn't seem to mean the same thing as "reading carefully" |
| [20:07:26] | Dagmar: | ...cuz the docs are on the wiki, too. |
| [20:07:38] | wagnerrp: | basic steps are, start database server, create database, create user permissions, fill database, run mythtv setup, run backend, run frontend |
| [20:08:21] | black_Nightmare_: | hm...guess I'll just have to configure it to download the file over then play from local hd then |
| [20:08:24] | black_Nightmare_: | thanks anyway |
| [20:08:30] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : Ok...How can I start database server and do all that things? |
| [20:08:44] | wagnerrp: | black_Nightmare_: is this mythtv or mythvideo? |
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| [20:09:00] | wagnerrp: | lunaris: that depends heavily on your distro |
| [20:09:36] | Dagmar: | lunaris: Mainly, you read the installation howto. |
| [20:09:45] | lunaris: | wagnerrp : distro?what is that? Sorry if I'm boring,but I'm new in Linux...Win made me stupid:) |
| [20:09:56] | Dagmar: | lunaris: If you think you're going to ask people in here to hold your hand and tell you each individual step, you're clearly on the wrong IRC network |
| [20:10:07] | black_Nightmare_: | mythtv wagnerrp |
| [20:10:20] | lunaris: | Dagmar : I'm here just for basics:) |
| [20:10:28] | wagnerrp: | thats the blend of linux you are using: debian, ubuntu, suse, gentoo, arch, slackware... |
| [20:10:36] | iamlindoro: | We don't do linux basics |
| [20:10:38] | lunaris: | Dagmar : and btw I thought that this channel is for help |
| [20:10:42] | iamlindoro: | We barely do Myth basics |
| [20:10:51] | Dagmar: | lunaris: I don't care what excuses you want to give. Go to www.mythtv.org and read the installation howto |
| [20:11:02] | Dagmar: | lunaris: Help != hand-holding |
| [20:11:04] | iamlindoro: | Support here starts when you have finished reading the full documentation and loked up anything you didn't understand with google |
| [20:11:29] | Dagmar: | If you can't be bothered to read that installtion documentation then why should anyone else be bothered to read it to you, dig? |
| [20:12:02] | lunaris: | I'm using xubuntu wagerrp.And for rest of you I was trying to set up all things with some documentations,but not successful,so because of that I'm here |
| [20:12:06] | Dagmar: | If you're making that effort, we will know. If you're not making any effort, we will definitely know |
| [20:12:11] | wagnerrp: | black_Nightmare_: it may be best to look into running wires, or getting higher gain antenna |
| [20:12:52] | Dagmar: | lunaris: You were not successful because you did not read or even attempt to follow the installation documentation that's right on the website where it can't be missed. |
| [20:12:56] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah I'm still looking for a source to buy outdoor-hardened (for lack of words now anyway) cat5e/cat6e ethernet cables ... but just keeping wireless links as a second option just in case too |
| [20:13:00] | wagnerrp: | better to fix the hardware first, than trying to work around it with software |
| [20:13:08] | Dagmar: | If you can't read documentation, then perhaps Linux is not the operating system for you |
| [20:13:16] | black_Nightmare_: | dagmar I have to agree with you on that |
| [20:13:41] | wagnerrp: | i run cat6 outside my house |
| [20:13:41] | Dagmar: | black_Nightmare_: You don't find cables the likes of which you're talking about. |
| [20:14:01] | Dagmar: | Either you deal with rodents occasionally chewing on the wires, or you run conduit. |
| [20:14:03] | wagnerrp: | it youre really worried about it wearing, run it through some PVC conduit |
| [20:14:09] | lunaris: | If you say that Dagmar... |
| [20:14:23] | Dagmar: | lunaris: I say that, and so does most of the rest of the internet |
| [20:14:44] | Dagmar: | Linux isn't meant for nine year olds, although I do know some nine-year olds who are suprisingly quite literate and run Linux just fine. |
| [20:15:27] | Dagmar: | If your IQ is 100, and by which I mean "average", you should have no problems learning Linux if you read |
| [20:15:47] | lunaris: | Dagmar,I was just asking for help,and you were not user that was trying to help me.If you dont have some patiente to help someone that's ok.And insulting people is what are you doing here as I can see |
| [20:16:01] | Dagmar: | If your IQ is 100 and you are just a lazy SOB like half the population of couch potatoes out there, you're better off getting a part time job delivering pizzas so youc an afford to buy a TiVo. |
| [20:16:10] | lunaris: | So please leave your comment for you Dagmar |
| [20:16:16] | Dagmar: | I'm not insulting you. |
| [20:16:20] | Dagmar: | I'm treating you like an adult. |
| [20:16:28] | lunaris: | I cannot see that |
| [20:16:41] | Dagmar: | Then stop expecting everyone to pamper you like a child. |
| [20:16:47] | Dagmar: | MythTV is a complex piece of stuff. |
| [20:16:55] | Dagmar: | It takes a LOT of work to make it run. |
| [20:17:03] | lunaris: | And I'm not expecting that too |
| [20:17:10] | Dagmar: | It's NOT some turnkey toy application you run on your Windows game machine. |
| [20:17:17] | lunaris: | Like every program on every system |
| [20:17:22] | Dagmar: | lunaris: So what part of "read the installation documentation" still eludes you? |
| [20:17:35] | Dagmar: | No, NOT like every program on every system. |
| [20:17:47] | Dagmar: | Some programs are MUCH more complex than others. |
| [20:18:17] | Dagmar: | If all programs on "every system" were the same, there woulnd't be freaking certification classes for things like Oracle and any jackass could set up a clustering environment. |
| [20:18:29] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp the real problem is that the 'outdoor' part actually means about 400–900m of run right on the ground whatever it may be (not to say less of mud in a muddy driveway spot) and I dunno about typical computer store cables living up to this frequently. hence why looking into wireless link as well |
| [20:19:07] | Dagmar: | lunaris: WHen you've read the installation documentqation, and started working with it, and hit a point where it tells you to do X and Y will happen, and Y doesn't happen, THEN you come to places like here and ask |
| [20:19:23] | Dagmar: | lunaris: Until then you're basically asking people to read to you, which is something that should shame you more than anything else |
| [20:19:34] | wagnerrp: | well cables should have no problem surviving that, except ethernet is only rated for 100m |
| [20:19:47] | lunaris: | Dagmar : I'm not asking people to ad things for me. |
| [20:20:00] | iamlindoro: | 400–900 meters? Where are you running it, to your orbital battle station? |
| [20:20:14] | PatrickDK: | 900meters isn't that far |
| [20:20:30] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro... from the parked truck to where the router is located inside the house |
| [20:20:33] | iamlindoro: | well given 1000 = a kilometer, that's awful far for home use |
| [20:20:40] | Dagmar: | You're not running an ethernet cable that goddamn long and having it wrk. |
| [20:21:05] | Dagmar: | Max length for ethernet is 100m fool |
| [20:21:06] | wagnerrp: | pick up a pair of satellite tv antenna, and swap out the LNBs |
| [20:21:07] | PatrickDK: | you might be able to use lre, long reach ethernet |
| [20:21:18] | PatrickDK: | or you will have to use fiber with LX adaptors |
| [20:21:24] | Dagmar: | If you need 900m run some freaking fiber or a PtP wireless setup |
| [20:22:13] | Dagmar: | Not even 10base2 will tolerate a run that long |
| [20:26:16] | AndyCap: | besides, running copper outdoors for 900m and sticking it in a computer is not a hot idea |
| [20:26:49] | Dagmar: | truth |
| [20:26:55] | wagnerrp: | well, that depends on how close you are to Minnesota |
| [20:27:14] | Dagmar: | 900m he ain't running at home. |
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| [20:28:01] | wagnerrp: | (i believe) minnesota are where the navy VLF transmitters are located |
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| [20:28:24] | wagnerrp: | i imagine those could generate quite a current in a long run of cable like that |
| [20:28:33] | Dagmar: | Yeah, well, that's why the pairs. |
| [20:29:04] | lunaris: | bye all |
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| [20:30:00] | wagnerrp: | i would have said something to the same effect, but it looked like you were having fun with that one |
| [20:30:37] | AndyCap: | black_Nightmare_: anyhoo, not that expensive. :P http://www.cat5ecableguy.com/inc/sdetail/14224 |
| [20:31:16] | AndyCap: | black_Nightmare_: but, mother nature will probably cook your equipment. |
| [20:31:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, only >$500 for cable alone |
| [20:31:37] | wagnerrp: | and thats if it were copper |
| [20:31:45] | wagnerrp: | fiber will probably be a few grand |
| [20:32:08] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: 270 for the cable. |
| [20:32:20] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: uhh, strike that. stupid imperial system |
| [20:32:37] | Dagmar: | Of course, the first mole or chipmunk that finds the tasty wire will put an end to that stupidity. |
| [20:33:06] | AndyCap: | meh, a good ground-loop and you put an end to the chipmunk |
| [20:33:27] | Dagmar: | Chipmunks are cheaper than 1000m spools of fiber |
| [20:34:37] | wagnerrp: | 500ft of single mode, $700 |
| [20:34:46] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: armored? |
| [20:34:56] | wagnerrp: | no, indoor |
| [20:35:06] | wagnerrp: | plenum grade, but its 12-wire |
| [20:35:09] | wagnerrp: | he only needs 2 |
| [20:35:24] | wagnerrp: | would multimode run that far? |
| [20:35:46] | Dagmar: | It would but it's not like he's actually running this |
| [20:36:01] | wagnerrp: | up to 2km for 100mbit |
| [20:36:09] | AndyCap: | ah, here we go. http://www.cablemonkey.co.uk/acatalog/Loose_T . . . red_SWA.html |
| [20:36:10] | wagnerrp: | no gigabit though with multimode |
| [20:37:25] | wagnerrp: | under $2K, not bad |
| [20:37:45] | Dagmar: | Still, if he could afford that he wouldn't be asking those kinds of questions. |
| [20:37:51] | wagnerrp: | PtP wireless, with some dropout during storms, sounds more economical |
| [20:37:53] | AndyCap: | they're priced in UK punds. |
| [20:38:06] | AndyCap: | maybe some freespace optics. |
| [20:38:10] | wagnerrp: | oh, right, $4K |
| [20:38:55] | wagnerrp: | i knew someone who had a pair of laser transmitters |
| [20:39:07] | wagnerrp: | i think they were rated at 4Mbit for 2.5mi |
| [20:39:45] | Dagmar: | ...provided none of the local idiot-children find a way to climb up and put their eyes into LOS on that |
| [20:39:53] | AndyCap: | Win! |
| [20:40:03] | wagnerrp: | well its infrared, their eyes would just slowly bake |
| [20:40:12] | Dagmar: | Not slowly |
| [20:40:34] | wagnerrp: | whats the power output on those, a few dozen mW? |
| [20:40:51] | AndyCap: | it's not like it's power over fiber. |
| [20:40:51] | Dagmar: | Yeah well, here's the problem |
| [20:41:06] | Dagmar: | ...just because it's not normally visible light doesn't mean it won't fry an eyeball regardless |
| [20:41:35] | wagnerrp: | well i mean if it were visible light, they would be 'shit thats bright', and turn away |
| [20:41:35] | Dagmar: | It won't like, sizzle and pop like an egg in the microwave, but infrared lasers can destroy a retina in an eyeblink just dine |
| [20:41:41] | Dagmar: | s/dine/fine/; |
| [20:41:44] | wagnerrp: | with infrared, they will just continue to stare at it |
| [20:42:13] | Dagmar: | No, they'll just keep looking in it long enough to realize why their sight is going out in that eye |
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| [20:42:22] | Dagmar: | ..trying to figure out why they can't see it |
| [20:44:45] | PatrickDK: | why are you talking about plenum grade? that is just nuts |
| [20:44:57] | PatrickDK: | who cares if it burns toxic |
| [20:45:09] | wagnerrp: | that was just the first price for bulk fiber i found |
| [20:45:39] | PatrickDK: | I payed like 65c a foot for 6strand 2 years ago |
| [20:45:49] | PatrickDK: | and it's still working good :) |
| [20:46:59] | wagnerrp: | i wonder which of fiber or FSO would be less expensive |
| [20:47:18] | wagnerrp: | i have to believe the endpoints are a couple grand each |
| [20:47:25] | AndyCap: | probably fibre |
| [20:47:45] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: more like 4 to 20k judging from ebay |
| [20:47:46] | wagnerrp: | of course fiber modules arent cheap either |
| [20:48:08] | wagnerrp: | but i suppose $400 is significantly less than $4000 |
| [20:48:09] | PatrickDK: | fiber gbic's are 200–400 usd |
| [20:48:15] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [20:49:55] | Dagmar: | OKay. I think I've officially lost my sense of humor with these twits in WoW who can't grasp the concept of a "name" |
| [20:49:56] | dustybin: | http://www.heise.de/english/newsticker/news/113353 |
| [20:51:10] | wagnerrp: | well of course there's speculation |
| [20:51:33] | wagnerrp: | they keep the protocol and network closed to alternative programs |
| [20:52:42] | wagnerrp: | without being open, there's no way for them to prove something such as that doesn't exist |
| [20:53:01] | ** dustybin dis-assembles the code ** | |
| [20:53:10] | PatrickDK: | according to cisco, mmf dies at 550meters |
| [20:54:10] | wagnerrp: | thats what wikipedia says for 1Gbit |
| [20:54:19] | wagnerrp: | but i dare say Cisco is a better source |
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| [20:54:39] | PatrickDK: | ya, looking at gigabit |
| [20:54:49] | PatrickDK: | it's hard to find 100mbit anymore |
| [20:54:54] | PatrickDK: | unless you looking at noname |
| [20:55:14] | wagnerrp: | you cant manually set the speed on those modules? |
| [20:55:18] | PatrickDK: | the cisco 100mbit fiber I had, got depressiated cause it can't talk to anything anymore |
| [20:55:24] | PatrickDK: | on cisco? nope |
| [20:55:45] | dustybin: | in regards to LVM: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/105865/index.html |
| [20:55:54] | PatrickDK: | I have never seen an fiber module you can set the speed on |
| [20:56:06] | AndyCap: | or any other fiber equipment |
| [20:56:13] | wagnerrp: | ive figured the 'smart' switches would allow you to do that |
| [20:56:32] | PatrickDK: | no, it's a timing issue |
| [20:56:34] | dustybin: | are you the guys with glasses what work in big data centres? |
| [20:56:53] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, nope, I have lots of equipment in datacenters though |
| [20:56:57] | PatrickDK: | but I support it all from my house |
| [20:57:01] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:57:04] | PatrickDK: | except for emergancies or upgrades |
| [20:57:22] | wagnerrp: | i wear contacts, and my 'datacenter' is at the end of a strip mall |
| [20:57:22] | Dagmar: | dustybin: No, we're the people who pee in the cracked window of your parked car |
| [20:57:24] | black_Nightmare_: | sorry had to afk for a while and meh... |
| [20:57:31] | dustybin: | lol |
| [20:58:41] | dustybin: | time for a coffee |
| [20:58:43] | black_Nightmare_: | I actually meant like the length of about 3–5 average cars ... not sure which type of distance I was thinking of now >_< |
| [20:58:52] | cnj: | So an interesting symptom I've noticed since updating to the most recent version of mythtv in Debian (debian-multimedia.org?), which is tagged as SVN from July 6th, 2008. Playing back recorded programs is very stuttery generally--but if I launch mplayer, and it's got focuss (paused or playing), the myth player plays fine |
| [20:59:29] | wagnerrp: | ive only got some 20TB available there, but something like 8TFlOps theoretical |
| [20:59:30] | cnj: | to be specific, mplayer with a -vo gl or -vo gl2 option; or apparently as long as any GL app has focus (e.g. glxgears) |
| [20:59:35] | wagnerrp: | ive never actually benchmarked it |
| [20:59:55] | cnj: | anybody ever heard of / experienced a similar problem? |
| [21:00:28] | wagnerrp: | so... you have to send data over roughly 50ft, so you say it need to go 900m? |
| [21:00:50] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: metric is tricky |
| [21:01:06] | wagnerrp: | NASA figured that out the expensive way |
| [21:02:12] | black_Nightmare_: | andycap and even sometimes I'm not so sure about km verus miles .. blame that on not being that far from us borders alak us roads |
| [21:02:19] | PatrickDK: | heh, 3–5 cars :) |
| [21:02:35] | black_Nightmare_: | especially "I thought this was only about 17km?" when it turns out to be more than 20 :p |
| [21:02:37] | PatrickDK: | I don't get how people can be confused |
| [21:02:42] | PatrickDK: | just talk in terms you understand |
| [21:03:02] | PatrickDK: | holy crap |
| [21:03:18] | wagnerrp: | personally, i would have used 73 swallow wingspans |
| [21:03:23] | PatrickDK: | thunder was loud as hell, and 1 of my lcds flicked off for a second |
| [21:03:33] | PatrickDK: | why 1 would flick off, and not the other 4, I dunno |
| [21:04:04] | PatrickDK: | heh, ya lets talk about my power usage on lcd screens :) |
| [21:04:25] | black_Nightmare_: | either way thanks for that cat5ecableguy link ^_^ |
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| [21:10:44] | PatrickDK: | hmm, my mouse isn't working\ |
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| [21:11:58] | wagnerrp: | that can be problematic |
| [21:12:15] | PatrickDK: | the lightening confused the usb hub, had to unpower it |
| [21:13:17] | black_Nightmare_: | I hope you have surge protection? |
| [21:13:46] | PatrickDK: | yep |
| [21:13:56] | wagnerrp: | well surge protection wont completely filter the line |
| [21:14:05] | wagnerrp: | only cut power in the event of immediate danger |
| [21:14:19] | PatrickDK: | just the usb hub for the mouse/keypad/soundcontrol/... is only un surge, not ups |
| [21:14:22] | PatrickDK: | everything else is on ups |
| [21:15:02] | wagnerrp: | a mouse sounds like something that should be battery backed up |
| [21:15:32] | PatrickDK: | ya, just no ups near it :( |
| [21:15:43] | PatrickDK: | closest one is about 8' away |
| [21:15:53] | wagnerrp: | especially on linux where there is no common practice for keyboard access on GUI apps |
| [21:16:22] | PatrickDK: | this is windows |
| [21:16:26] | wagnerrp: | oh |
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| [21:17:14] | PatrickDK: | the linux boxes are 100% backed |
| [21:17:24] | PatrickDK: | cause they are near the ups's |
| [21:18:37] | wagnerrp: | your mouse is not near your monitors? |
| [21:18:52] | wagnerrp: | or that whole machine is not backed |
| [21:19:03] | wagnerrp: | and the brownout/surge only affected the hub |
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| [21:19:44] | black_Nightmare_: | slight OT question again ... I presume that if a 7.1 receiver says it uses up to 475W powered on and lists as being able to run 100W speakers .. I presume that really means it'll run four at full but 5–7 speakers would mean lowered max watts to each? |
| [21:19:50] | ** black_Nightmare_ is just wondering if I'm getting confused or not ** | |
| [21:20:22] | wagnerrp: | correct, it can output 100W to each speaker, just not simultaneously |
| [21:20:30] | black_Nightmare_: | thanks |
| [21:20:44] | wagnerrp: | and power draw does not directly equate to power to the speaker |
| [21:20:56] | wagnerrp: | it may only push 400W to those speakers |
| [21:21:12] | black_Nightmare_: | yeah..have to count the watts for all these digital electronics inside the receiver itself :p |
| [21:24:29] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp this reminds me of one experience a few years ago ... had most things unplugged to try rearrange the cables in one of the room at an apartment ... somehow in the process I must had turned the desk speaker volume other way and when I had managed to get the tv going I then started on the computer and you can imagine when I nearby yelped into the couch when the desk speakers suddenly screeched nosily |
| [21:24:32] | wagnerrp: | also, chances are that it cannot sustain that load for long |
| [21:25:28] | wagnerrp: | you unknowingly turned the volume up instead of down? |
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| [21:26:46] | black_Nightmare_: | this is why I sometimes hate some computer speakers when they don't quite have an off[click]low----high control so with no clicks and even no label well yeah you're not going quite know which way to twist :| |
| [21:27:00] | black_Nightmare_: | I've long replaced to some nicer yamaha speakers for the computer table now |
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| [21:27:30] | wagnerrp: | counterclockwise is almost always off |
| [21:27:38] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen a device in which it is not |
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| [21:28:02] | wagnerrp: | which is odd considering water valves are the opposite |
| [21:28:35] | black_Nightmare_: | heh well when you've had to deal with these few LHD-configured speakers (at least they're rare to come by just like with LHD-only contoured mouses) its actually clockwise on some of them |
| [21:29:45] | Dagmar: | Stop being the tool of Satan and it will cease to be a problem. |
| [21:29:46] | wagnerrp: | i never actually thought of speakers being left or right handed |
| [21:30:03] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp true..they're really generic save for the way the volume knob twists |
| [21:30:25] | black_Nightmare_: | actually with a bit soldering you could change your own speakers to twist whichever direction you like as well ;) |
| [21:30:39] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Some people will buy anything if you tell them it's been customized for them |
| [21:31:12] | black_Nightmare_: | at least one thing you can be glad for ... finding a keyboard that has numpad on left is absurbly very rare :p |
| [21:31:21] | wagnerrp: | left handed butt plugs! |
| [21:31:21] | black_Nightmare_: | (well or as far as I've been able to see) |
| [21:31:33] | wagnerrp: | fuck, i would love a keyboard with a left keypad |
| [21:31:41] | wagnerrp: | that leaves my right hand free to use the mouse |
| [21:31:54] | piksi: | would anyone know a pci-x compatible dvb-c card? |
| [21:32:00] | black_Nightmare_: | lol wagnerrp buy these laptop-marketted usb numpads then if you really need it ;) |
| [21:32:25] | wagnerrp: | piksi: PCI cards are typically compatible with PCIX slots |
| [21:32:37] | black_Nightmare_: | piksi hmm well it can be a normal pci card if it follows the limit of a pci-x slot being 3.3V only |
| [21:32:44] | piksi: | i know |
| [21:32:54] | piksi: | but my old terratec is 5v with incompatible connector |
| [21:33:08] | black_Nightmare_: | piksi then you'll have to use a normal pci slot or replace it then |
| [21:33:15] | black_Nightmare_: | since .. well .. see what I said re 3.3V only ;) |
| [21:33:25] | piksi: | i know that already |
| [21:33:31] | wagnerrp: | move a different card into the spare PCIX slot |
| [21:33:35] | AndyCap: | or a hacksaw. :P |
| [21:33:41] | piksi: | i was merely interested if anyone knew a 3.3V compatible dvb-c card |
| [21:33:50] | black_Nightmare_: | wagnerrp or tell piksi if there's a non-5V dvb-c card? |
| [21:33:54] | black_Nightmare_: | lol ^-^ |
| [21:34:10] | piksi: | i have only pci-e and pci-x slots |
| [21:34:30] | piksi: | most dvb cards i've seen are cheapo made for pci only |
| [21:34:35] | black_Nightmare_: | piksi hmm is this a server motherboard? |
| [21:34:37] | piksi: | yes |
| [21:34:48] | black_Nightmare_: | that figured now heh |
| [21:35:00] | black_Nightmare_: | piksi you mind if I ask which one it is? |
| [21:35:01] | piksi: | poweredge 1900 which aside from other duties is now going to work as a mythtv backend also |
| [21:35:13] | piksi: | read your thoughts ;-) |
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| [21:35:53] | black_Nightmare_: | ah ic...not a typical tyan/supermicro board... meh |
| [21:36:22] | piksi: | yep, it's dell's own custom mobo (stupid choice from dell imo) |
| [21:36:26] | piksi: | i prefer tyan |
| [21:36:44] | piksi: | hmm, terratec seems to have cinergy 2400i as pci-e but it's only dvb-t |
| [21:36:59] | black_Nightmare_: | that reminds me.... |
| [21:37:41] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you know if there's any freeair tv cards for computers? (or do you have to go through freeair box >> video-in card >> computer?) |
| [21:38:54] | iamlindoro: | Since Google tells me FreeAir is a refrigerator, you're going to have to just go ahead and make sense for once |
| [21:39:07] | piksi: | :-D |
| [21:39:33] | piksi: | the first time that i hear of freeair for me too |
| [21:40:11] | iamlindoro: | Methinks he means Free-to-Air (FTA), or DVB-S, but he's going to have to clarify. |
| [21:40:15] | black_Nightmare_: | well thats what they name it here .. and these silly boxes of theirs cost $260+upward which just seem strange |
| [21:40:24] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro hmm I think its the former |
| [21:40:30] | iamlindoro: | That's because their boxes keep your food cold |
| [21:41:11] | black_Nightmare_: | lol |
| [21:41:22] | iamlindoro: | Assuming you mean Free-to-Air, that's just unencrypted DVB-S. Guess what kind of card you use to tune that with your computer. Here, I'll make it multiple choice: DVB-S. SATA. USB. |
| [21:42:33] | iamlindoro: | and if you mean FTA in the euphemistic way that satellite thieves use it, ie "I'm watching Dish Network on my FTA box," then you can feel free to git' on out of this channel, because we don't like you. |
| [21:42:43] | dustybin: | are there any alternatives to X11 ? |
| [21:42:50] | AndyCap: | dustybin: X10 ? |
| [21:42:53] | dustybin: | do you think X11 is a well coded bit of software? |
| [21:42:58] | iamlindoro: | Windows! |
| [21:43:00] | iamlindoro: | Aqua! |
| [21:43:01] | dustybin: | xorg i mean |
| [21:43:02] | AndyCap: | Y |
| [21:43:07] | Dagmar: | I like the idea of X10 as an alternative. |
| [21:43:11] | Dagmar: | That's good. :) |
| [21:43:13] | wagnerrp: | xfree86 |
| [21:43:14] | dustybin: | os x uses quartz |
| [21:43:28] | dustybin: | but that isnt open |
| [21:43:56] | AndyCap: | metro-x |
| [21:44:05] | dustybin: | never heard of that |
| [21:44:19] | wagnerrp: | its for metrosexuals |
| [21:44:19] | iamlindoro: | Well that's why *you're* the guy asking the question |
| [21:44:30] | dustybin: | aye |
| [21:44:34] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: lol |
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| [21:45:34] | wagnerrp: | it has support for the 'very high-end Imagine-128 from Number Nine' |
| [21:45:41] | wagnerrp: | ive never even heard of that company |
| [21:45:48] | iamlindoro: | God, if only there was some sort of site that indexed other sites, which would allow one to search for phrases or words which were relevant to ones queries |
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| [21:46:00] | iamlindoro: | That company could make billions! |
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| [21:46:11] | wagnerrp: | try hotbot! |
| [21:46:35] | AndyCap: | haha, stuipd 404-indexing hotbot |
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| [21:53:03] | iamlindoro: | Don't suppose anyone is a fan of the old Sierra Adventures |
| [21:53:21] | wagnerrp: | i had a couple of them |
| [21:53:23] | iamlindoro: | I have a feeling the Quest for Glory II VGA remake is going to be released tonight |
| [21:53:31] | wagnerrp: | you might say i was a fan when i was 8 |
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| [21:54:45] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: is this a sierra remake or fan-based? |
| [21:55:04] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: Fan remake, but by the same folks who remade the first couple King's Quest games |
| [21:55:09] | AndyCap: | cool |
| [21:55:41] | iamlindoro: | The last two were very well done, and I have very fond tween memories of QfG II |
| [21:55:49] | ** AndyCap played hero's quest ** | |
| [21:55:55] | iamlindoro: | I think I got it the Christmas I was 12 |
| [21:56:04] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I owned QfG I when it was called Hero's Quest :) |
| [21:56:42] | AndyCap: | hmm, where's sarien |
| [21:56:51] | iamlindoro: | Sarien Encounter was Space Quest I |
| [21:57:10] | AndyCap: | no, the AGI emu. |
| [21:57:23] | iamlindoro: | ah, absorbed by ScummVM |
| [21:57:27] | AndyCap: | rly? |
| [21:57:32] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [21:57:39] | AndyCap: | cool, sierra on the psp |
| [21:58:02] | AndyCap: | typing will be a little hard though. |
| [21:58:08] | iamlindoro: | I think there are plans to bring the FreeSCI stuff in now, too, and that will be super awesome |
| [21:58:32] | AndyCap: | on a related note, does mythgame support scumm? |
| [21:58:43] | iamlindoro: | yeah, takes a bit of work, but yeah |
| [21:59:01] | iamlindoro: | There are pretty simple/good instructions for integrating it in the MythGame wiki page |
| [21:59:10] | AndyCap: | Tres cool. |
| [21:59:45] | iamlindoro: | I played through Fate of Atlantis last summer on my 106" projector, that was the best. Thing. Evar. |
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| [22:00:01] | iamlindoro: | or rather, on my 106" projection screen, the projector is not 106" :) |
| [22:01:30] | black_Nightmare_: | hmm... |
| [22:01:45] | black_Nightmare_: | now I got to wonder why these free-to-air boxes are so expensive when the pci cards are rather just cheap |
| [22:02:13] | iamlindoro: | Because those are "Free to Air" boxes with quotes around them, rather than real "free to air." I just explained this to you |
| [22:02:39] | iamlindoro: | Legit FTA is unencrypted satellite, which is great for the lover of religious and shopping programming. |
| [22:03:08] | iamlindoro: | Euphemistic Pirate FTA is a bullshit term meaning "load in satellite keys and watch premium programming for free." |
| [22:03:27] | k-man_: | is there some program i can use to monitor signal strength from a dvb tuner? |
| [22:03:30] | iamlindoro: | The latter we want nothing to do with. the former we will make fun of. |
| [22:04:06] | black_Nightmare_: | heh didn't bell ran some ads before on stealing key cards? most of the ad video centered on one man walking past several items before going into his home to watch tv |
| [22:04:16] | ** black_Nightmare_ doesn't think I have seen that on tv anymore for a while now too ** | |
| [22:04:21] | iamlindoro: | k-man_: You can press alt-f6 while tuning in myth, but as each driver has wildly varying setting for signal strength, it's more or less useless as it's not standardized. |
| [22:05:25] | k-man_: | iamlindoro, i meant at the card level as I'm having trouble getting my card to detect a couple of stations |
| [22:05:44] | iamlindoro: | k-man_: Myth jsut *displays* the card level stuff |
| [22:06:01] | iamlindoro: | but outside of that, there's probably something in dvb-utils that will work for you |
| [22:06:34] | iamlindoro: | if you use scan and crank the verbosity way up, you'll likely get what you want |
| [22:06:53] | iamlindoro: | it just doesn't mean anything as I explained, it's all relative |
| [22:07:25] | iamlindoro: | femon is probably going to be what you want |
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| [22:09:12] | k-man_: | iamlindoro, ok, thanks |
| [22:09:20] | k-man_: | femon? |
| [22:09:28] | black_Nightmare_: | hm any suggestion on dvb-s card brand? |
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| [22:09:43] | iamlindoro: | k-man_: man femon |
| [22:09:56] | k-man_: | thanks |
| [22:10:05] | iamlindoro: | or femon --help |
| [22:10:07] | k-man_: | no man page on my system for it, but the file is there |
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| [22:13:53] | k-man_: | strange, i just discovered that on my recently installed debian system, i have dvbscan and also scan |
| [22:14:01] | k-man_: | scan works and dvbscan seems broken |
| [22:14:37] | black_Nightmare_: | Twinhan? |
| [22:15:08] | iamlindoro: | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . ab%3DSelling |
| [22:15:23] | piksi: | combination of sw dvb card and mpeg decoder card in mythtv – could it work? |
| [22:15:48] | piksi: | it has been ages since i used an mpeg2 decoder card in linux and it was for dvd's |
| [22:16:13] | iamlindoro: | piksi: the only mpeg decoder Myth can use that I am aware of is the PVR-350, and that one is a mess, often broken, limited, and SD only... so best just to have you GPU do the work |
| [22:17:33] | piksi: | iamlindoro: well, there's an integrated vga adapter on mobo and if i just plug in an additional geforce, what should i do to enable gpu decoding on the backend? |
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| [22:17:58] | iamlindoro: | piksi: backends don't need GPUs, frontends do |
| [22:18:06] | iamlindoro: | decoding is only of any use on a frontend |
| [22:18:37] | piksi: | iamlindoro: hmm, so when it's recording dvb on the backend to the hdd it's just dumping the mpeg stream raw to the hdd? |
| [22:18:40] | iamlindoro: | DVB doesn't *need* any decoding... it already comes encoded properly... Digital tuners are simple, they just dump the stream to the disk, no processing needed |
| [22:18:45] | Dagmar: | Mainly you just use the proper drivers for your video card and let XvMC deal with the rest. |
| [22:18:45] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [22:18:51] | Dagmar: | There isn't anything *to* "configure". |
| [22:19:52] | piksi: | iamlindoro: ah damn, of course. been awake for too long. now off to find pci3,3v or pcie dvb-c card for the backend :-> |
| [22:19:55] | piksi: | thanks |
| [22:20:03] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [22:20:23] | piksi: | i haven't seen too many pcie dvb-c cards though |
| [22:20:29] | piksi: | perhaps i'll have to settle for a pci one |
| [22:20:47] | iamlindoro: | You may have to, especially as you are further limited by what works in linux currently |
| [22:21:41] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-C_PCI_Cards |
| [22:21:54] | iamlindoro: | No PCIe cards currently supported, there are the PCI cards that are |
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| [22:22:52] | iamlindoro: | and keep in mind that you don't care about the hardware decoding cards, as their decoding capabilities are more or less useless for myth (and SD anyway) |
| [22:23:11] | wagnerrp: | the few of those there are anyway |
| [22:23:34] | piksi: | hmm, wasn't aware of that. i thought the card itself would work with the same drivers no matter if the BUS is pci or pcie, after all the bus is already handled by its own drivers |
| [22:23:38] | piksi: | good to know |
| [22:24:16] | wagnerrp: | well assuming the parts are all the same, the drivers still have to recognize the card |
| [22:24:32] | wagnerrp: | and a PCI and PCIe card are most likely going to be identified differently |
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| [22:27:30] | piksi: | ok so now only down to finding a pci-x compatible dvb-c card |
| [22:28:21] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [22:29:14] | piksi: | twinhan would do but people have had too much trouble with it |
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| [23:16:08] | riddlebox: | does anyone use media mvp's? |
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| [23:21:28] | black_Nightmare_: | back |
| [23:24:56] | iamlindoro: | cesman: Don't know if you are around, but thought you might like to know that MPlayer/ffmpeg support MLP/TrueHD in trunk, and I would expect E-AC3 to go in in the next week or two |
| [23:27:06] | black_Nightmare_: | hm dunno but any thought on this one for its price? http://www.sat-sales.com/proddetail.php?prod= . . . A&cat=12 |
| [23:27:58] | iamlindoro: | Geniatech x8000 is the same card as the KWorld ATSC 120, they're new drivers and buggy. |
| [23:28:15] | black_Nightmare_: | ah hm ok |
| [23:28:56] | iamlindoro: | I will never understand what your problem is with using well-supported hardware that anyone has heard of |
| [23:30:00] | black_Nightmare_: | hm what you mean? |
| [23:30:50] | iamlindoro: | You are always coming in here wasting people's time asking about some random card you found. Why not just stick with the cards people actually use? You have been coming in here asking about random BS cards for MONTHS |
| [23:31:22] | black_Nightmare_: | then how about that simple question I asked almost 1.5 hours ago so I can know which site to try? |
| [23:32:06] | iamlindoro: | IF you are asking about DVB-S cards, the IMMEDIATE next line was a link to a card that works well in linux, WTF more do you want? |
| [23:32:57] | iamlindoro: | and it's not my problem if you have to wait for an answer, cry me a river, the Myth wiki is FILLED with card setup howtos which people have spent their time writing, why not spend five minutes looking at *those* instead of pulling a random card out of you ass? |
| [23:34:34] | iamlindoro: | and if you ARE talking about DVB-S, then why the hell did you link the Geniatech, which is an ATSC (not satellite) card????? |
| [23:36:03] | black_Nightmare_: | its not random btw.. its 'exact"retail dvb-s pci"and"linux"' search online |
| [23:36:21] | iamlindoro: | It's random in that it's NOT A DVB-S card |
| [23:37:57] | iamlindoro: | And in the *months* you have been wasting our time in here, you should have learned that linuxtv.org is your source for what cards work and how to get them working, full stop. |
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| [23:39:02] | riddlebox: | hrmm trying to figure out a way to convert my nuv files into a mpeg file and have mythtv see the mpeg file instead of the nuv file... anyone got any ideas? |
| [23:40:09] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i infile.nuv -acodec copy -vcodec copy outfile.mpg |
| [23:40:43] | riddlebox: | iamlindoro, but will mythfrontend play that file instead of my nuv file? |
| [23:41:05] | iamlindoro: | it will if you import it with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
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| [23:42:16] | riddlebox: | so I need to create a script to do both of those, then put it in the user jobs? |
| [23:42:44] | iamlindoro: | maybe probably |
| [23:43:45] | riddlebox: | iamlindoro, the thing is my first two tuners record in mpg, so my nuv tuner doesnt record to often, I dont need it to run all the time |
| [23:44:34] | riddlebox: | so I need to set something to test for a nuv file then do it |
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| [23:45:56] | iamlindoro: | Or just get rid of your framegrabber and replace it with a decent encoder card, as framegrabbers are teh shite |
| [23:46:11] | iamlindoro: | And you can even buy my PVR-150 on ebay right now, yay |
| [23:46:34] | ** iamlindoro waggles the PVR-150 on his desk at the screen ** | |
| [23:46:40] | black_Nightmare_: | heh *sends crappy framegrabber cards to the crusher* :p |
| [23:46:59] | black_Nightmare_: | even the recycler here oddly crush them up but leave the good cards on shelf |
| [23:50:21] | riddlebox: | iamlindoro, where the heck do you download that script from? I cant find it |
| [23:50:43] | iamlindoro: | riddlebox: What script? |
| [23:50:51] | riddlebox: | iamlindoro, I already have a pvr-500, but I have a pinnacle800i as well |
| [23:51:04] | riddlebox: | myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [23:51:09] | iamlindoro: | It's in the myth source |
| [23:51:29] | iamlindoro: | in the contrib directory |
| [23:51:30] | riddlebox: | hrmm I installed via apt-get |
| [23:52:00] | iamlindoro: | If only there was some way someone could get source for a package, woe is me |
| [23:52:08] | black_Nightmare_: | strangely enough they left one pvr-1800 on the shelf with a "as-is, owner got nothing" .. perhaps a sour non-windows owner or who really knows the actual story |
| [23:52:44] | riddlebox: | iamlindoro, I ran locate and found it in /usr/share |
| [23:52:48] | iamlindoro: | If I ran the world, there's be a command called "apt-get source mythtv". Yep. That's what there'd be if I ran the world. |
| [23:52:59] | iamlindoro: | oh wait, that command *does* exist. |
| [23:56:23] | ** riddlebox doesnt catch on to the sarcasm ** | |
| [23:56:48] | iamlindoro: | You must, or you wouldn't know to call it sarcasm |
| [23:56:53] | Dagmar: | OMG the world is ending! |
| [23:57:33] | wagnerrp: | what, atheros releasing free drivers? |
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