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Friday, July 25th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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SHADOW__X:

so wagnerrp how do i recompile lirc

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wagnerrp:

ive always just done an 'emarge lirc', but i doubt that would work for you

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SHADOW__X:

hmm dont know what that is

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wagnerrp:

just do the standard manual install

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wagnerrp:

download, unpack, configure, make, make install

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wagnerrp:

or see if there is some abbreviated method for your distro

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SHADOW__X:

alright sounds good

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SHADOW__X:

ill try

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wagnerrp:

one way or another, something must get compiled

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wagnerrp:

locally

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wagnerrp:

the module must be custom linked to your kernel

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SHADOW__X:

right

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susanna777:

hello i have a question about myth tv

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susanna777:

i guess no one is here. i'll try again later

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wagnerrp:

huh...

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SHADOW__X:

wagnerrp: i need to do a dkms build its saying

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wagnerrp:

standard procedure is to just ask

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what 'dkms' is

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wagnerrp:

literally, i do nothing more than 'emerge lirc'

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wagnerrp:

and i dont even do that anymore, i just do 'module-rebuild', it tracks external modules, and automatically rebuilds them when i update the kernel

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SHADOW__X:

what distro

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wagnerrp:

gentoo

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

i think im going to build a monitor stand this weekend

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SHADOW__X:

./configure

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SHADOW__X:

it wont let me do that

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wagnerrp:

is there a configure script in the directory you are in?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

i got it

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wagnerrp:

i cant decide whether to make it free-standing, or mount it to the desk

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SHADOW__X:

http://pastebin.org/56867

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SHADOW__X:

what

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wagnerrp:

seems youre missing some header files

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SHADOW__X:

where do i get those

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SHADOW__X:

or do i make them

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wagnerrp:

it cant find the system functions to create dev nodes (i believe)

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iamlindoro:

apt-get build-dep lirc

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SHADOW__X:

i downloaded the kernel from kernels.org

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wagnerrp:

well there you go, the easy way

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SHADOW__X:

what did i do wrong

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SHADOW__X:

i compiled it

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SHADOW__X:

?

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wagnerrp:

will spraypaint stick to a glossy plastic surface?

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SHADOW__X:

eh depends on the paint

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wagnerrp:

i just ordered a vantec hard drive dock on newegg

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wagnerrp:

but its glossy white, that basically goes against my moral character

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wagnerrp:

it must be painted

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SHADOW__X:

right

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SHADOW__X:

so how do i get the headers>?

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wagnerrp:

do what iamlindoro said

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wagnerrp:

assuming youre using debian or friends

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SHADOW__X:

ah didnt even see that slipped by thanks iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

yarrrrr

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SHADOW__X:

and then?

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iamlindoro:

you connect the dots... build-dep will install all the build dependencies for a given package... hmmm... now you have a pile of source code and all the stuff you need to compile them... hmmmmmmmmmm

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

so what do i do now

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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iamlindoro:

Pick up a pen

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iamlindoro:

place it against your cornea

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SHADOW__X:

no no

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iamlindoro:

smash your head into the desk

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SHADOW__X:

hey i am not the jocker

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wagnerrp:

magic, the pen is gone

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wagnerrp:

so... is that going to be the next internet meme?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm i still got errors

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SHADOW__X:

http://pastebin.org/56869

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lwizardl:

hi

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lwizardl:

would the remote that comes with a twinhan 1020a card be compatible in mythtv

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iamlindoro:

MythTV doesn't do remotes. LIRC does. Find out if it works with LIRC, and if so, it'll work with Myth.

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lwizardl:

k

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro: any ideas

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iamlindoro:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231867#c5

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iamlindoro:

Comment 5

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

ok thanks

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SHADOW__X:

so do isave that comment to a file and run it as a file or compile it using gcc

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iamlindoro:

You save the attached patch and patch the lirc source with the patch command

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SHADOW__X:

i wasnt aware of the patch command

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iamlindoro:

man patch

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SHADOW__X:

thanks iamlindoro

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SHADOW__X:

it made

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iamlindoro:

Good, I'm glad. Sorry, was off on a run

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SqWaw:

hmmm looking for some ivtv help

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SqWaw:

http://pastebin.com/m32be9e5

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SqWaw:

make fails, looking for ivtv.h saying cant find it, although, it exists. and in more places than 1

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cesman:

ivtv is in the kernel w/ 2.6.24

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cesman:

why would you want to recompile?

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cesman:

especially when it isn't the latest you are attempting to compile...

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SqWaw:

hmm...

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SqWaw:

well i've got it compiled as a module

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SqWaw:

but it doesnt seem to be working...

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cesman:

sorry, I've not used gentoo in years

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SqWaw:

meh i think the question is more 'linux-related' anyways

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cesman:

perhaps #gentoo (if that is thier channel) or #ivtv (if that is thier channel)

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SqWaw:

i'll figure it out... eventually

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SqWaw:

yep

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cesman:

don't forget to post (pastebin) details on what happens when you modprobe...

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oobe:

i have an issue where when i watching livetv its fine but then the screen goes blank when it changes to a new show according to the schedule

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oobe:

does anyone know what i mean or experienced this before

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bex:

what if nothing happens when i do modprobe?

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bex:

i take that back. i get errors

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bex:

but then if i do it again then nothing happens

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oobe:

bex you question doesnt even make sense

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KungFuJesus:

hey GreyFoxx, I figured it out

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KungFuJesus:

god what a relief that was, guess what it was

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KungFuJesus:

ffmpeg didn't like to be compiled with gcc 4.3.1

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KungFuJesus:

so anywho, just for future reference, if somebody else has similar problems

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bex:

sorry my question is how do i get it to detect my capture card?

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cesman:

bex: is your card support by Linux?

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cesman:

what card is it you have?

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bex:

well it detected it before

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bex:

tv wonder ve

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cesman:

dmesg after modprobe

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cesman:

should tell you something...

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bex:

i think its not detecting my wireless card anymore either

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bex:

should i just reinstall?

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sutula:

Does anyone know if I need to pass a special option to mythfrontend, to get it to use the configured DISPLAY in X, rather than diving for the hardware it finds on the server?

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wagnerrp:

huh?

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sutula:

I am probably presuming, but when I look at the error/debug output, it shows a lot of failures that look like it's trying to use the server's video card, rather than the $DISPLAY variable (where I'm really logged in)

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sutula:

I'm not sitting in front of the console

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wagnerrp:

so manually define your $DISPLAY variable

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wagnerrp:

typically, you would use 'setenv DISPLAY :0.0' or 'export DISPLAY=:0.0'

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wagnerrp:

unless you used 'ssh -X' to log in, $DISPLAY should be unset

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sutula:

wagnerrp: My DISPLAY is set right, but it sure looks like mythfrontend is ignoring it...maybe not?

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wagnerrp:

it will try to display to whatever you have $DISPLAY set to

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wagnerrp:

are you trying to run mythfrontend from the same user that own the X server?

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wagnerrp:

if not, you have to play around with the .Xauthority files

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sutula:

wagnerrp: What I see is that most of the mythfrontend menus work fine, but once you try to view a recording or live TV, it seems to be going for the real console

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sutula:

After trying, it says "Failed to initialize video"

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wagnerrp:

im confused, are you trying to display video on the same machine that mythfrontend is running on?

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** sutula tries again **

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sutula:

Essentially, I've ssh -X myserver from my laptop

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sutula:

I can run all sorts of X-based apps just fine.

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wagnerrp:

so youre trying to pump video over an X tunnel?

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sutula:

wagnerrp: Yes

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wagnerrp:

well, first off, unless you use esound (or maybe jack can do this) you wont have sound

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sutula:

I know it's not a good situation as far as performance, but should it otherwise work, or are the video players tied directly to the server's console video hardware?

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sutula:

RE esound, yes, and I have all that working

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wagnerrp:

second, unless youre on a very fast network, or very low resolution, performance is going to be horrible

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo (mplayer) will not work by default

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wagnerrp:

since it uses '-vo xv'

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wagnerrp:

but the internal player should work

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sutula:

wagnerrp: I'll have to capture the debug output and perhaps someone more familiar with the different players can comment sometime. I am not seeing any difference with different playback profiles, and am thinking something else is fundamentally wrong.

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sutula:

Odd thing is that I can run mplayer by itself on the mpeg files, and see them just fine

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wagnerrp:

using cygwin/X, i can watch the preview just fine

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wagnerrp:

but the full player fails, looking for some MIT-SHM extension

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** sutula sees the preview too **

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sutula:

Sounds like what I am getting

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wagnerrp:

well i can pump video to a VNC server

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wagnerrp:

im booting up my linux box to see if a real X server has better luck than the shitty cygwin one

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that doesnt work either

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wagnerrp:

seems your options are to play the file directly over mplayer, or just build a local frontend

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wagnerrp:

why are you attempting this anyway?

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sutula:

wagnerrp: Yeah...the local frontend works

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sutula:

wagnerrp: I have an LTSP server and a bunch of thin clients. If I can get the clients to play at all, even low quality, I can feed instructional stuff that way.

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sutula:

Much of that isn't very high quality anyway

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sutula:

LTSP essentially is remote X servers running on the thin clients, and applications (in this case, mythfrontend) running on the server

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wagnerrp:

well if you can get VLC to run on them, thats probably your best option

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wagnerrp:

then just stream it using multicast in VLC

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wagnerrp:

i assume everything should be playing at the same time

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sutula:

wagnerrp: In this case, no. Each student will be watching potentially different lessons at their own pace/schedule.

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sutula:

Only 3–4 students...not a whole room-full, fortunately.

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sutula:

I could gin something up with mplayer (since that works), but trying to re-use myth, since I'll be using the backend to record

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** sutula pastes mythfrontend output, in case someone wants to take a peek and might know if it's something I can configure differently: **

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sutula:

http://pastebin.ca/1082327

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dreamor:

I'm just now setting up Myth, does anyone use the transmitted guide or does everyone use schedules direct?

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wagnerrp:

EPG data is typically only broadcast for one day, so its of limited use

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dreamor:

Ok I'll try schedules then. I also noticed a Data Direct? It looks like some xml script?

[06:15:37]

SqWaw:

what is a lightweight video player that i can use to test the output of 'cat /dev/vide0' ?

[06:15:44]

SqWaw:

on fluxbox wm

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wagnerrp:

mplayer

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wagnerrp:

well at the moment, there is schedules direct, xmltv, and epg data

[06:17:20]

wagnerrp:

epg data is only for the next 24 hours

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wagnerrp:

and xmltv is quite a hassle to get working inside the US

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jblack:

schedules direct is all of twenty bucks a year, and they did a great job for me when I had a channel not giving lineup data.

[06:22:46]

wagnerrp:

yeah, basically since you pay, they do all the work for you

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wagnerrp:

in comparison with xmltv, where you have to do considerable work keeping screen scrapers updated

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eNeRGi:

wagnerrp: in finland we have pretty good EPG atm

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eNeRGi:

(not sure what country you're talking about though)

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wagnerrp:

im pretty sure over here (US), standard is one day

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eNeRGi:

ah, the other side of the pond :)

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eNeRGi:

for the standard cable channes I get over one week of data atm

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wagnerrp:

ah, EIT, not EPG

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eNeRGi:

isn't that the same thing?

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eNeRGi:

educate me :)

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wagnerrp:

EIT is the data, EPG is the actual onscreen guide

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eNeRGi:

yeah, well so it is the same thing :)

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wagnerrp:

well any guide data can be considering 'EPG', where 'EIT' is specifically broadcast data

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eNeRGi:

but yeah, well I guess my first comment would be misunderstood then :)

[06:26:17]

eNeRGi:

right on

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wagnerrp:

going off the wiki anyway

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eNeRGi:

you're right yes

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eNeRGi:

my bad :)

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eNeRGi:

s/EPG/EIT/ for my first comment

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wagnerrp:

over here, apparently there is a 'hidden guide' bit, in which the data is broadcast and subsequently ignored by the tuner

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jblack:

according to SD, in the US, the law states only 12 hours required, and some don't do that.

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wagnerrp:

well then, even worse than i thought

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wagnerrp:

does mythtv automatically scan through the channels at some interval to grab data?

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eNeRGi:

it does

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eNeRGi:

for me at least

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eNeRGi:

whenever the tuner has eben idle for 10 minutes or something like that

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eNeRGi:

think it was settable

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dreamor:

How long does mythfilldatabase run?

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bex:

i get errors when i run mythfilldatabse --manual

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justinh:

errors eh? interesting

[07:16:40]

justinh:

oh wait, maybe if you hinted at exactly the kind of 'errors' you get somebody might be able to help!

[07:17:18]

bex:

why are you people so rude?

[07:18:41]

justinh:

that isn't rude

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justinh:

you should see what passes for rudeness on IRC. sheesh. makes your toes curl up

[07:20:39]

bex:

hold on i will paste the error

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justinh:

I'm not sure mythfilldatabase --manual even works for me, but then I don't think the grabber I use is supposed to work with it. not sure

[07:22:11]

bex:

i will just pastebin it

[07:23:34]

justinh:

ah yes. --manual is for 'manual configuration' mode where it asks questions about every channel. very laborious

[07:24:08]

bex:

it told me to run that the first time

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bex2:

http://pastebin.com/d4e479686

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justinh:

looks like tv_grab_na_dtv is broken to me

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bex:

what is that?

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justinh:

page scrapers often break

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justinh:

#

[07:28:22]

justinh:

Initial site parsing failed, no iframe tag.

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justinh:

#

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justinh:

/usr/bin/tv_grab_na_dtv exited with an error-code

[07:29:47]

justinh:

what would be wrong with using Schedules Direct?

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bex:

would that fix this?

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bex:

i am also only getting one channel. when i change it , it doesn't change

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justinh:

if you're in North America / Canada, I think SD is worth paying for. $20 a year is cheaper than messing around with unreliable page scrapers, in real terms

[07:33:22]

bex:

ok

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justinh:

they have a free trial period too, if I remember correctly

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jblack:

seriously. You spend more on toothpaste and toothbrushes.

[07:33:42]

bex:

well i kinda wanted to make sure i could set everything up

[07:33:46]

bex:

yeah it's 7 days i think

[07:33:51]

justinh:

so you don't even have to spend any money to find out if it's for you

[07:34:21]

bex:

yeah but if i scrap this whole mythtv idea then i wont use it

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bex:

i guess ill do the trial

[07:35:04]

justinh:

well, the path the cheapest option takes is not always the least treacherous ;-)

[07:35:25]

bex:

yeah

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jblack:

PRovided you can make myth work, and you have at least a few broadcast channels in your area, you'll love it.

[07:35:52]

bex:

well i need to get a new video card

[07:35:58]

justinh:

when I got my first ever tuner card all I wanted was to record the occasional show#

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jblack:

I record everything vaguely interesting, and a lot of stuff that's not even close.

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justinh:

that didn't work out because dvb-t tuners didn't play well in any windows app at the time, so a friend suggested mythtv. and gentoo. the bastard

[07:36:56]

bex:

well i dont have a very big hd

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jblack:

gentoo? Heh. Did you scratch his car paint or something?

[07:37:05]

justinh:

lol

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bex:

so the idea of using an old pc might not be so great

[07:37:39]

justinh:

depends what kind of tuner card you have

[07:37:43]

jblack:

a moderately old one can generally be ok. set it up for a low resolution, perhaps 640x480, and keep myth at that.

[07:37:52]

justinh:

also depends what you intend to play on there

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bex:

well this tuner card is one that somebody gave me a long time ago but i never played with it

[07:38:03]

bex:

i also ordered another one

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jblack:

it's almost worthless now, in the US.

[07:38:41]

jblack:

You've got about six months to get a hdtv card.

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justinh:

if it's a framegrabber type card, any recording (and viewing because that's also recorded) will eat CPU

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bex:

yeah i think the one i rdered is hdtv

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bex:

i should check though

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bex:

pinnacle 800e

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bex:

is that a frame grabber too?

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justinh:

you can get (barely) watchable results with even an 800mhz CPU with a framegrabber card but I'd recommend a much stronger system if you insist on using a framegrabber

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bex:

this is 1600mhz i think

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jblack:

You're fine

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bex:

oh good

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justinh:

heh definitions of 'old pc' vary considerably around here :P

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bex:

yeah i keep them for a long time

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bex:

basically until they break

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bex:

is it common for lcd monitors to only last like a year or 2?

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wagnerrp:

from my experience, no

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bex:

i wonder what happened

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wagnerrp:

ive got a 4yr old Sony, and two 8yr old IBMs

[07:45:01]

bex:

the picture would go out occasionally until i wiggled the cable

[07:45:08]

wagnerrp:

my parents have a 5yr old NEC

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bex:

so maybe one is loose, but i cant really check because of the design

[07:45:23]

wagnerrp:

the cable is hardwired to the monitor?

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bex:

the stand is in the way so you cant reach them

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bex:

ok i'm a dork, it moves

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justinh:

I wouldn't buy a monitor with a hardwired cable – 'company' policy ;)

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bex:

it's not hardwired

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justinh:

yay :)

[07:46:04]

bex:

i didn't know the stand moved

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jduggan:

lol

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bex:

the monitor i have on there is so old it has turned yellow and the color is way off

[07:46:21]

wagnerrp:

well you had to plug it in somehow

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justinh:

even so it's unusual for such a cable to break. Maybe it's just loose

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bex:

they don't seem loose

[07:47:32]

bex:

and the audio on it has never worked

[07:47:42]

bex:

maybe its just a crappy brand

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jduggan:

justinh: its easy to snap a pin and make the colour fuck up :)

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bex:

oh i'm not worried about the crt

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wagnerrp:

i find audio on a monitor worthless

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justinh:

jduggan: if it was that easy I'm sure I'd have managed it by now

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bex:

yeah but i could have used it when my speakers broke

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jduggan:

justinh: if seen it happen a few times

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jduggan:

happened to me once, but i cut a piece of guitar string

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jduggan:

and it worked fine

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wagnerrp:

if my speakers broke, i would just use headphones, rather than some tinny 2W speakers

[07:49:14]

jduggan:

(old crt so prolly couldnt tell the difference anyway)

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jduggan:

:P

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justinh:

my hearing would have to break long before my speakers give in...

[07:50:22]

bex:

a wire broke on them

[07:50:25]

justinh:

love my proper hifi speakers & amp in the computer room

[07:51:02]

bex:

where are you guys from?

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wagnerrp:

my 'thx certified' crap ass logitech speakers are sufficient

[07:51:35]

bex:

i use the speakers on my laptop for playing music

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bex:

i don't like using headphones because then people can hear how bad you sing

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wagnerrp:

the speakers on my laptop dont really play music, they just make noise

[07:52:23]

wagnerrp:

every so often you can make out a note, or a word

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justinh:

I think my laptop has speakers. I've heard one or 2 squeaks eminating from the case

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bex:

ok i have run out of outlets

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wagnerrp:

power outlets?

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bex:

yes

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bex:

and room on my desk

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justinh:

when the room I'm sitting in becomes a nursery I'm going to have to re-home my backend

[07:55:30]

wagnerrp:

you think a P1 200 would have the bus throughput to handle a pair of hauppauge PVRs?

[07:56:07]

jduggan:

heh

[07:56:29]

bex:

yeah lcd monitor still doesn't work

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bex:

do people fix them even?

[07:56:49]

wagnerrp:

the manufacturer fixes them

[07:56:58]

bex:

yeah and charge me the price of the monitor

[07:57:12]

wagnerrp:

what size?

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bex:

19"

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wagnerrp:

bah...

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jduggan:

bex: LCD's are next to worthless these days, its not worth teh effort to repair tbh

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wagnerrp:

19" screens are for the blind

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bex:

i am blind

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jduggan:

stop looking @ redtube

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bex:

i am using braille irc

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jduggan:

;)

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wagnerrp:

so whats the monitor for?

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bex:

braille porn is great though

[07:59:09]

jduggan:

especially when you find a nipple

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wagnerrp:

no, i just dont like that its larger, but offers no better resolution than a 17"

[07:59:45]

bex:

yeah i am seeing lcds starting at $200

[07:59:46]

justinh:

depends entirely on the monitor

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wagnerrp:

i cant fit anything more on screen, and im just wasting desk space that could go to another monitor

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justinh:

but then, it's been ages since I used my 2nd monitor so what do I care? ;-)

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bex:

ill take it

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wagnerrp:

i could use a 4th

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justinh:

not getting rid of it though.. I do intend to do some more feeming one day

[08:01:03]

wagnerrp:

of course it would probably be cheaper to buy a new on, than pay for shipping from england

[08:01:56]

bex:

true

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wagnerrp:

my hands are strangely fatigued...

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wagnerrp:

i can type just fine, but i cannot extend my fingers

[08:04:07]

bex:

well you know what causes that..

[08:04:37]

fryfrog:

anyone have an amd 939 X2 cpu they want to sell?

[08:05:08]

wagnerrp:

looking to upgrade, and finding they the pickings are sparse?

[08:05:14]

wagnerrp:

s/they/that/

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fryfrog:

no retailers sell 939 cpus, and for some stupid reason people on ebay think their $50–70 cpu is worth $200 or more :/

[08:06:34]

wagnerrp:

newegg has a pair, but theyre OEM, and single core...

[08:06:49]

wagnerrp:

one of the guys i work with upgraded his 939 to a dual core a few months ago

[08:07:01]

fryfrog:

yeah, i have a single core

[08:07:06]

fryfrog:

it is a dual core i'm hoping to pick up

[08:07:19]

oobe:

anyone here use the dvico dual digital 4

[08:07:20]

wagnerrp:

i got on newegg and showed him that he could have bought a new AM2 proc, board, and twice the memory that he paid for the new 939 proc

[08:07:33]

fryfrog:

my dream would be one better than 4200+ so i can put a 4400 or better in the FE

[08:07:33]

oobe:

im having probs finding stable drivers

[08:07:33]

wagnerrp:

he was disappointed... :P

[08:07:37]

fryfrog:

holey crap, he paid that much?

[08:07:49]

fryfrog:

i got a 939 4200+ from newegg for like 55 or 60 bucks

[08:07:55]

wagnerrp:

fryfrog, AM2 parts are dirt cheap

[08:07:57]

fryfrog:

wish i'd gotten two

[08:08:10]

fryfrog:

ah

[08:08:24]

wagnerrp:

where the handful of dual core 939s still available a few months ago were still well over $100

[08:08:39]

fryfrog:

no way you'd get a mb/ram/cpu for like $60 or so :)

[08:08:41]

fryfrog:

am2, that is

[08:09:00]

fryfrog:

bastards, 939 cpus are old and busted... they should be dirt cheap :p

[08:09:20]

fryfrog:

i'll setup jbidwatcher to try and snipe a couple of the lower auctions but i'm 98% sure they'll go way over what they are "worth"

[08:09:43]

fryfrog:

I have a 4400+ AM2 sitting on my desk actually :(

[08:09:49]

fryfrog:

maybe i should just get a cheap board

[08:09:50]

wagnerrp:

as long as you dont need things such as SLI, a new board, proc, and 2GB of memory can be had for ~$150

[08:10:09]

fryfrog:

it just uses ddr2, right?

[08:10:14]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[08:10:33]

fryfrog:

humm, would a 939 have ddr1 or ddr2 in it on an nforce4 motherboard?

[08:10:33]

wagnerrp:

a decent 2GB of DDR2 is around $30

[08:10:55]

fryfrog:

oh, got one off i can take a part easy to find out

[08:10:56]

wagnerrp:

board doesnt matter, the 939 had an integrated dd1 controller

[08:11:40]

fryfrog:

oh yeah, forgot about that

[08:11:43]

fryfrog:

so it is DDR1 :/

[08:12:07]

fryfrog:

if this AM2 4400+ were like a 6000+ or something i might buy a mb + ram for $100 :/

[08:12:17]

fryfrog:

but it is a lame 4400+ so i'll snipe some bids i guess

[08:13:54]

wagnerrp:

what speed was a 6000+?

[08:14:03]

wagnerrp:

because a 5600+ is 2.9GHz

[08:14:11]

wagnerrp:

i didnt think AMD ever got above 3

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fryfrog:

i dunno, but they have a 6000+ :)

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: is it tomorrow yet? ;)

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mzb_d800:

or are you still living in yesterday? :)))

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mzb_d800:

... or is|was that the day before? heh

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fryfrog:

it is tomorrow!

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fryfrog:

but i mailed it yesterday afteroon already :)

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mzb_d800:

aha!

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mzb_d800:

cool

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** mzb_d800 opens his wallet **

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mzb_d800:

I'm in trouble for sitting in front of computer atm, so can you email me? ... I'll look after it tomorrow when I recover ;)

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mzb_d800:

how much was post?

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fryfrog:

it was like $52

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mzb_d800:

hmm, ok

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fryfrog:

i got deliver receipt/confirmation and $200 insurnace

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fryfrog:

insurance, actually

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mzb_d800:

ah

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fryfrog:

though i'm pretty sure we won't even find 4 xeon cpus for $200, let alone the mb and ram and such :)

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fryfrog:

so i hope they don't lose it

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mzb_d800:

so au$200?

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fryfrog:

sure, or you could do what ever math and make it $200 usd, but $4 or so isn't a huge deal :)

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mzb_d800:

ok, cool

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** mzb_d800 needs to have a shower for his birthday pizza, pool and movie night ;) **

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mzb_d800:

I'll take care of it tomorrow asap

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mzb_d800:

thanks fryfrog

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mzb_d800:

talk to you later

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fryfrog:

k, see ya later

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mzb_d800:

(the round number is for the WAF)

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mzb_d800:

;)

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pookie_j:

yo

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pookie_j:

anyone from aus around?

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stuarta:

well i'm from aus, but not there atm

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stuarta:

:)

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justinh:

wheee it's sunny on my birthday! can't remember the last time that happened!

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stuarta:

happy birthday

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justinh:

cheers!

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** stuarta beers justinh **

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justinh:

it's early but wth :D

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jduggan:

are you in work on your birthday?

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justinh:

am I eckerslike!#

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jduggan:

lol

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ivor:

oh superb: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Sophisticated . . . paratus.aspx

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ivor:

that explains a lot about uktv. :)

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sebrock:

is there someway of finding out from which script a sertain command has been executed

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Dibblah:

pstree

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sebrock:

ah thanks!

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sebrock:

god that command is golden!

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anny__:

hello all, what's the root directory for the MythMovie Plugin plz

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justinh:

there is no 'mythmovie' plugin

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justinh:

MythMovieTimes, maybe

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justinh:

unless you mean MythVideo

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justinh:

in which case, the directory it looks at can be configured in utils/setup > setup > media settings > video > general

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eNeRGi:

actually, suse has a "mythmovies" package at least

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eNeRGi:

which I guess is movietimes

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eNeRGi:

mythmovies – movie announcements plugin for mythtv

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eNeRGi:

that's movietimes right?

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justinh:

and that only goes off & tells you what times movies in your local area are, at which cinemas

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justinh:

a path to a grabber script can be configured but there's no 'root directory' setting as such

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Dibblah:

justinh: You think it's bad in here? Someone just asked over in ##electronics if it'd be OK to remove the crystal in their SDHC reader....

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justinh:

oh dear oh dear

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justinh:

well, the USB bridge IC MIGHT just start working at 12Mhz all by itself but it's not very likely :P

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Dibblah:

Could be worse, I guess. They could be trying to overclock it.

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justinh:

heheh

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justinh:

and no, I don't think it's bad in here. if things were anything like they used to be in the old days we'd have hangings ever day just for mere etiquette infractions

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justinh:

ahh the good ole days :D

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stuarta:

you could say hello in the wrong way and get kicked :)

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ivor:

stuarta: bonjour

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ivor:

something like that? :)

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** stuarta sniggers **

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justinh:

or just "hello I'm new here" lol

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justinh:

/kick/ban reason: "didn't recite the ancient incantations out of respect for the all-knowing elders".

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ivor:

"bonjour, I've heard about mythtv how can I use it to view my legal bittorrent downloads. I use windows btw. I've got the source code, what do I do next"

[11:01:00]

ivor:

any good?

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ivor:

im in a friday mood. :)

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ivor:

anyway.... what happened to "pirate fridays"

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justinh:

yaharrrrrr!

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NotsolongJustinS:

bah. ETOOLONGNICK

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ShortJustinSilve:

still too long. bah & double bah

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CaptainCaveman:

whee, friday nick in effect. long time since we did this, eh Fred Basset ;)

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anny__:

I set the Movie directory for MythVideo and still it's not detecting any video file in the gallery whereas I loaded it with 4 mpg files. What could be the problem?

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CaptainCaveman:

so THAT'S who owns that nick!

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CaptainCaveman:

anny__: it won't 'detect' any unless you run the video manager

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Catbert:

meh. "Erroneous Nickname"

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CaptainCaveman:

there's a way around that – i.e. set mythvideo to browse files

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anny__:

CaptainCaveman: thx

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MrSpiffy:

I'm going to switch to digital tv service and I am thinking that the PcHDTV_HD-5500 card is the way to go.

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MrSpiffy:

their site is unclear about how files are written to disk, format, etc

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CaptainCaveman:

the files will be whatever is broadcast, i.e mpeg2

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MrSpiffy:

good

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MrSpiffy:

my current backend uses a pvr-250 and writes mpeg2 files

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CaptainCaveman:

and apparently the average disk space taken up per hour of recording is typically about 8–9GB

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MrSpiffy:

wow

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MrSpiffy:

server can handle it.

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MrSpiffy:

plently of space

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CaptainCaveman:

it varies with the bitrate of their transmissions though

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MrSpiffy:

aure

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MrSpiffy:

pvr-250 puts down 2G per hour now

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MrSpiffy:

my frontend is a via 1G with mpeg decode. takes about 25% cpu to play back the current files

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MrSpiffy:

should be ok.

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MrSpiffy:

I'd much rather use mythtv instead of a provided dvr.

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** Catbert anticipates and pre-empts CaptainCaveman saying something rude about the epia. :) **

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MrSpiffy:

say what you will about it, but it makes a good frontend. works like a charm for me.

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MrSpiffy:

I'm running mythtv-0.20.2 on a 2.6.25.9–40 kernel – I think I'm good to go with the card

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CaptainCaveman:

Catbert: my epia was always just fine with pvr recordings. it was the dvb-t files it had all the problems with

[11:42:00]

Catbert:

yeah I recall. wonder what was up.

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CaptainCaveman:

whatever it was, it's still an issue I think

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CaptainCaveman:

something deep in the playback buffering code I suspect

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Catbert:

just for you. :)

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MrSpiffy:

um ... what issue were you having?

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CaptainCaveman:

which obviously only affected me

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CaptainCaveman:

playback was terrible with recordings from BBC channels & one other

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MrSpiffy:

hmm

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Catbert:

perhaps they were sending bad data from your transmitter to annoy you.

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CaptainCaveman:

the problem appeared to be when there were big changes in the bitrate

[11:43:43]

CaptainCaveman:

nah – since I replaced it with a 'real' computer the problem has gone away

[11:44:07]

CaptainCaveman:

I tried a different distro & it was fine on that score but not in other ways (like digital audio)

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Catbert:

TBH most of the time I just use the PS3 to play stuff these days.

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MrSpiffy:

did you narrow it down? lan/input vs decoder/output?

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Catbert:

MrSpiffy: he spent weeks trying to track it down. :)

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MrSpiffy:

arg

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CaptainCaveman:

I think it was either a combination of xorg driver & mythtv, or simply just one of them

[11:45:13]

Catbert:

I just build my distro up around the board and had no troubles.

[11:45:19]

MrSpiffy:

I'm running fc4 on the box with openchrome

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Catbert:

s/build/built

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CaptainCaveman:

however without spending a LOT more time with it I wasn't ever going to get to the bottom of the problem & with it in constant service every day I couldn't just mess about

[11:46:14]

CaptainCaveman:

instead I spent less than the board cost me in the first place & saved myself heaps of time :)

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MrSpiffy:

what did you replace it with?

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Catbert:

CaptainCaveman: yeah, always treated mine as a toy/hobby so never too bothered when I managed to take it out of action for a few weeks at a time.

[11:46:32]

CaptainCaveman:

it was a fabulous frontend initially

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CaptainCaveman:

cpu usage in the low tens

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CaptainCaveman:

I replaced it with a C2D T5600 setup

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CaptainCaveman:

it's wasted at the moment but it'll have its day eventually

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MrSpiffy:

good to know

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** Catbert waits for Dr Evil cackle... **

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MrSpiffy:

I have a lot of time and some decent cash invested in the via

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CaptainCaveman:

thing is, problems like that can be VERY frustrating

[11:48:04]

MrSpiffy:

it would be a shame to have to chuck it.

[11:48:17]

CaptainCaveman:

when I sold it, I got almost as much as I paid for it :D

[11:48:22]

MrSpiffy:

ncie

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CaptainCaveman:

anyway – big changes in bitrates of mpeg can cause mythtv to throw a wobbler during playback

[11:49:38]

CaptainCaveman:

there's a variable length buffer which changes according to the prevailing conditions. bitrate plays a part in that

[11:49:49]

CaptainCaveman:

at least that's how I understand it

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CaptainCaveman:

the way I was running it, playing with that part of the code was totally out of the question without a lot of extra work I didn't have time for

[11:50:44]

MrSpiffy:

I remember some posts at 0.18 about the variable buffer – I forgot what I was trying to track down

[11:50:54]

CaptainCaveman:

ironically, now I have the C2D machine, compiling minimyth would be a breeze lol

[11:51:31]

CaptainCaveman:

I did try but with a minimyth build taking well in excess of 14 hours (on my fastest linux box at the time) it wasn't practical

[11:52:13]

CaptainCaveman:

I don't ordinarily give up easily but a line has to be drawn :P

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** MrSpiffy wonders if he will have to re-compile 0.20.2 to use the card ... **

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CaptainCaveman:

MrSpiffy: if you built it without dvb/atsc support you will

[11:53:00]

CaptainCaveman:

I recommend you upgrade to 0.21-fixes anyway

[11:53:01]

MrSpiffy:

checking

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CaptainCaveman:

it's spiffy :)

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MrSpiffy:

cool

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MrSpiffy:

I'm a "if it aint broke don't fix it" kind of guy

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MrSpiffy:

especially with open source ;)

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MrSpiffy:

.

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MrSpiffy:

DVB support no [/usr/include]

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MrSpiffy:

arg

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CaptainCaveman:

yeh so am I, but there was a feature I really wanted (Multirec)

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MrSpiffy:

nice

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CaptainCaveman:

lets you record multiple dvb streams (so long as they're broadcast on the same multiplex/transponder) with only one card

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MrSpiffy:

atsc support isn't specifically called out in configure ...

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CaptainCaveman:

must be called in under the dvb umbrella

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Catbert:

yup multirec is gorgeous.

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** MrSpiffy checks the yum repo fir dvb packages **

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CaptainCaveman:

blinkin eck not only is it sunny today it's majorly warm

[11:57:09]

MrSpiffy:

guessing here

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MrSpiffy:

yum install dvb-apps libdvbpsi libdvbpsi-devel dvb-apps

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MrSpiffy:

well that's not it

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** MrSpiffy wonders what .h file configure is looking for **

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CaptainCaveman:

is there no build-dependency package on your distro?

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CaptainCaveman:

<3 apt-get build-dep mythtv :D

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MrSpiffy:

hehe

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MrSpiffy:

debian guy

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MrSpiffy:

I have the .h already

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CaptainCaveman:

and you say that like it's a bad thing. what can I say.. I'm lazy

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MrSpiffy:

/usr/include/linux/dvb

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MrSpiffy:

I'm gonna stay away from the distro jihad's this morning

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MrSpiffy:

ah

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MrSpiffy:

--enable-dvb enable DVB support (must supply header directory)

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CaptainCaveman:

bingoids

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MrSpiffy:

./configure --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/include

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MrSpiffy:

DVB support yes [/usr/include]

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MrSpiffy:

that's better

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MrSpiffy:

nice warning here about --enable-proc-opt

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MrSpiffy:

I am betting that I will re-compile the fronent with this option

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MrSpiffy:

so now here's the rub

[12:07:09]

MrSpiffy:

I am thinking about getting direct tv for my digital tv service

[12:07:21]

MrSpiffy:

I have comcast now and I really want to chuck them

[12:08:06]

MrSpiffy:

comcast is removing channels from my existing anolog basic cable for bandwidth, thus extorting an upgrade.

[12:08:33]

MrSpiffy:

(all the shopping channels are still in the lineup though – yippie)

[12:08:55]

MrSpiffy:

I figure I may as well upgrade to a different service provider.

[12:09:15]

MrSpiffy:

anybody using the 5500 with direct tv?

[12:11:27]

CaptainCaveman:

reports of being able to use cards that can cope with QAM are mixed. depending on your cable company and where you live, you might be able to get everything, nothing – or just what you could get over the air anyway

[12:12:41]

CaptainCaveman:

furthermore, there's no reliable way to find out for yourself in advance unless somebody who lives nearby can advise you

[12:13:01]

MrSpiffy:

shrouded in mystery

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MrSpiffy:

the bastids

[12:13:23]

** CaptainCaveman ponders. it might have helped a lot of people if somebody had the bright idea to collate that kind of information somewhere, from an end-user's perspective **

[12:13:41]

MrSpiffy:

yep

[12:13:44]

MrSpiffy:

sure would

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MrSpiffy:

oh crap

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MrSpiffy:

compile error

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CaptainCaveman:

like hey I live in 90210, I've got ComBlast & my HD tuner pulls in XYZ

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MrSpiffy:

yeah – that would be really good

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CaptainCaveman:

no that'd be way too organised :D

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MrSpiffy:

better than, hey I'm gonna buy a card and service and hope for the best

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MrSpiffy:

../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.20.2.so: undefined reference to `DiSEqCDevTree:

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MrSpiffy:

pisser

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CaptainCaveman:

hmmm

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CaptainCaveman:

not much of an idea there

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MrSpiffy:

now I gotta try make clean first

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MrSpiffy:

I figured the .so would be rebuilt

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CaptainCaveman:

there used to be well maintained lists of dependencies somewhere

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CaptainCaveman:

there's probably a way I could coax ubuntu into spitting one out but I don't know it

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MrSpiffy:

the linker is spewing the error.

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MrSpiffy:

undefined symbols usually mean a lib mis-match

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MrSpiffy:

or a source mis-match depending on your pov.

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CaptainCaveman:

then the clean should fix it, or maybe it needs distclean

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MrSpiffy:

maybe

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CaptainCaveman:

I just tend to parrot these things off & they work

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CaptainCaveman:

and if stuff works I rarely spend time to get to know it inside out ;)

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MrSpiffy:

hey thanks for the info CaptainCaveman – I'm gonna get ready for work while this recompiles everything.

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MrSpiffy:

and that's a "me too" – I like it when stuff works

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stuarta:

fish

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CaptainCaveman:

ooo ebuyer have sent me another voucher, this time for free next day delivery. pity I don't want anything

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CaptainCaveman:

heh. just opened the last pressie. a tshirt with a graphic of a dog licking its backside with the caption "I can't believe it's not butter" below it

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CaptainCaveman:

how thoughtful :)

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stuarta:

nice

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stuarta:

i like it

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MrSpiffy:

make clean worked

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MrSpiffy:

the makefile does not pick up the configure change and rebuild libmyth

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anny__:

my mythbrowser isn't able to display flash objects

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anny__:

it's popping up a window asking to download shockwave, although i clicked it but nothing happens

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Catbert:

CaptainCaveman: very tasteful.

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jarle:

using nuvexport, is it somehow possible to tell it that I do not want any scaling of the recording except when the recording is bigger than 640x480? (in either direction)

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Dibblah:

anny__: Patience ;)

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anny__:

Dibblah: :) this is what men don't have

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Catbert:

anny__: heh how embarassing.... just noticed I hadn't scrolled to the bottom!!!!

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Dibblah:

anny__: No, there are no other browser plugins. However, you might be able to use mythnews to do what you want.

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Catbert:

no there are no other browser plugins at the moment.

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anny__:

is mythnews a browser?

[13:12:03]

** fred_basset pokes Catbert with a slimy trout **

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Dibblah:

Err... Or something. The RSS feed reader.

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** Catbert tuts disparagingly in the general direction of fred_basset **

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Catbert:

anny__: what are you looking for anyway? just a general fully featured web browser inside myth? or the ability to view youtube videos or something else?

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jarle:

Doing some translation for mythtv: "Add some for channels first!" Is this really correct english? What is it supposed to tell the user?

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fred_basset:

where's that?

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jarle:

ChannelEditor

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fred_basset:

i;d expect something like "Add some channels first!"

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jarle:

That's what I automatically translated it as, before I actually saw what is *actually* said...

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anny__:

Catbert: i want to see what are the limitations of MythBrowser

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anny__:

so far, flash is not supported

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Dibblah:

anny__: It's going away soon anyway, to be replaced with something completely different.

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Dibblah:

So enumerating it's limitations is rather... Pointless ;)

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anny__:

Dibblah: i know man, just responding to Catbert

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ivor:

it basically provides the features and functionality of konqueror... since that's the web control it embeds.

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ivor:

so find the features and functionality of konqueror... and that pretty much tells you what mythbrowser can do.

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anny__:

but knonqueror can play flash

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anny__:

as far as i know

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ivor:

yeah, so if you have your konqueror configured and rendering flash, then your mythbrowsers should too.

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Dibblah:

jarle: Looking through the source, that string is not used.

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jarle:

Dibblah: oki, I translated it for no reason then :)

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Dibblah:

jarle: As did all of the rest of the translators...

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seth|at|dataless:

hello from the LLMCE front :)

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seth|at|dataless:

er LMCE

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seth|at|dataless:

I was wondering if anyone here has tried the diskless frontend of the new mythtv release?

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ivor:

sure I'm always diskless.

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seth|at|dataless:

does it work well?

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ivor:

and always 'latest'

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seth|at|dataless:

and are you stock mythtv or distro based

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GreyFoxx:

diskless has no effect on myth

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GreyFoxx:

so it doesn't matter what version of myth you use

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ivor:

indeed.

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seth|at|dataless:

well I see in some of the new distors, like mythbuntu, it is an option in the actual setup, I have not tried it, but my parents, do not need a whole house solution like LMCE, but they want a PVR, and I was always a fan on Knoppmyth, in fact that was my favorite, but simple mythtv install would suit my parents perfectly

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seth|at|dataless:

is it necessary to have greater than a standard 100mB network connection, I know some of our stuff prefers gigabit network, but they will only be using it for dish network SD content

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DrMon:

Rar, fglrx is giving me a major headache. On the main menus MythTV is great, but when I go into some of the deeper options, like "Appearences" – it becomes garbled

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DrMon:

Only way to get back is to backstep my way to the main couple menus again

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DrMon:

Actually, ALL the menus are garbled if I use the qt painter...

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ivor:

seth|at|dataless: just do the maths... for DVB you're talking about 6Mb/s for the highest quality broadcasts.

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GreyFoxx:

Drm: I've heard a few users say they had that exact problem right after updating to the latest ati drivers

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GreyFoxx:

with both renders

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DrMon:

Which I have just done :(

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DrMon:

Seems it migth be a driver issue then

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ivor:

there you go then. :) problem solved. smoking gun located. :D

[14:09:10]

DrMon:

heh

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DrMon:

Oh well, I'll go back to the old ones I guess. Still have to fix the random lockups I get with those drivers though..

[14:11:08]

DrMon:

Its really wierd, actually – First artifacts will start appearing, text occasionally gets stretched wierdly at one end for a second, and eventually the system locks up

[14:11:17]

DrMon:

Though I guess that could be the video card..

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seth|at|dataless:

ivor: they will just be getting the feed off the back of the dish boxen to a pvr150, so 100MB I know for that stream will be fine, I was more concerned with the image being pulled simultaneaously, and do you recommend a small swap partition on the diskless devices, .vs swapping over the lan, or is this not how the mythtv diskless server functions. Please don't nbeat me up :) I am merely asking from someone who has experience. An

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DrMon:

Oh wait – just locked up with these drivers too. Ohhh well. No reason to keep the new ones now them

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DrMon:

then*

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seth|at|dataless:

I run four diskless MD's at home, and noticed that over 10/100 while swapping over lan, that performance mainly in stuttering audio could be observerd, so I added small hard disk to them for swap. My parent have a windows desktop in their den that they use for windows stuff, but would also like to use it as a remote place to watch tv

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GreyFoxx:

Set: as long as you have enough ram you don't need swap

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GreyFoxx:

all of my diskless box have no swap setup

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seth|at|dataless:

hence the need for a diskless booting tv frontend, that will not effect their windows disked installation

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seth|at|dataless:

well that is good news, thanks

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seth|at|dataless:

I did not want to repartition their drive just for sewap

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seth|at|dataless:

GreyFoxx: are you using 100MB or gig

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GreyFoxx:

100meg

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seth|at|dataless:

great\

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DrMon:

wow

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seth|at|dataless:

cna anyone recommend Knoppmyth over Mythbuntu or vice versa? I was a knoppmyth user pre-LMCE but I like mythbuntu's setup frontend

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DrMon:

I'm using Mythbuntu – But I haven't really been able to use it yet. Largely my own fault I think, though. It was quick and easy though, it was pretty keen to get all the info from me and do it itself

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seth|at|dataless:

that is kind of how I felt, its a nice comfortable install

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seth|at|dataless:

Isuppose that is what I will use, and they still have juski's themes, at least from what I have seen , i have not tried the new knoppmyth yet

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DrMon:

Me either to be honest, I still have to find myself a tuner card in budget

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DrMon:

Getting pretty hard to find a sub $100 one with a hardware encoder

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seth|at|dataless:

well, after analog tv broadcast goes away forever in february, the prices on pvr 150,250, and 500 cards should plummet, but i did just get 3 pvr150 cards for 45 each

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seth|at|dataless:

sorry $42 each, he has 9 left

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DrMon:

That's not bad

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seth|at|dataless:

but again, only analog tuners, work well for capture though

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DrMon:

Heh, I think I'm to picky. I keep demanding hybrid cards you see, heh

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DrMon:

I saw a few usb ones too that I might come back to, but I wasnted to ask how well the work first

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seth|at|dataless:

well I needed 2 for the parents place, and they will always have a set top box, with dish, and I needed one for my roku netflix player, so the minimum type was all I needed

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SHADOW__X:

hello everyone

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SHADOW__X:

hey clever did you ever finish moving your data around

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SHADOW__X:

seth|at|dataless: where did you get 3 150s for that price

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seth|at|dataless:

$42 a piece?

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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seth|at|dataless:

wait

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SHADOW__X:

all the places i look they are like 120

[14:37:29]

seth|at|dataless:

here – http://tinyurl.com/5ltxul

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seth|at|dataless:

they do not have remotes, simple white box pvr150 MCE's

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SHADOW__X:

whats the real url

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SHADOW__X:

tinyurl is blocked

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seth|at|dataless:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/user_sales_getpro . . . t_id=8425452

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GreyFoxx:

Your ISP blocks it?

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SHADOW__X:

no firewall

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SHADOW__X:

comes up as a spysite

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GreyFoxx:

ewww

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DrMon:

just like my favorite seller :( http://msy.com.au "WARNING! THIS SITE IS THE ORIGIN OF HATE, EVIL, etc"

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DrMon:

its all lies :(

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

so apparently circuit city has the hvr 1600 for 50 bucks

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SHADOW__X:

but i dont think the v4l-dvb drivers uses the analog tuner yet

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SHADOW__X:

the pvr 150 comes out to 50

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: Yes, the 1600 has support for both sides in v4l

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SHADOW__X:

wow sweet gonna pick one of those up

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iamlindoro:

and to answer your question in #linuxtv, no, I don't use any analog cards any more (outside of the HD-PVR, which isn't a card, but is analog in the strictest sense of the word)

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SHADOW__X:

btw i think i know why i am having issues with my hvr1800 i am using an older kernal

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

man how many stb's do you have

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SHADOW__X:

but on a serious note i have kernel 2.6.24–19 which isnt the best for getting stuff working

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SHADOW__X:

26 had everything working except for lirc

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SHADOW__X:

which in the heat of anger i keep reformating i was also delirious

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iamlindoro:

I have two STBs, three QAM tuners, one OTA tuner, and an HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

and I use 2.6.24 without issue... but then., I use well supported cards :)

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SHADOW__X:

:(

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SHADOW__X:

hmm well everything digital works for me

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SHADOW__X:

its the analog that bitches

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iamlindoro:

not that yours isn't supported, you're just out on the bleeding edge... and, to be clear, I'm fairly certain stoth and mkrufky aren't writing them against 2.6.26, btw

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iamlindoro:

They're almost sertainly using 24 or 25

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iamlindoro:

er certainly

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SHADOW__X:

hmm well then i am screwing up somewhere

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SHADOW__X:

that good i rather it be me screwing up so i can fix it

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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iamlindoro:

You should ask them what kernel they are using in development

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

But I know that mkrufky uses standard ubuntu on at least one system, so that's .24

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SHADOW__X:

right

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SHADOW__X:

hmm copy firmware into firmware directory install v4l-dvb

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iamlindoro:

anyway, off to work

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SHADOW__X:

hf

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SHADOW__X:

thanks again iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Thanks-- btw, if .26 is working for you, I don't see any real harm in using it

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iamlindoro:

go with what works, I say

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SHADOW__X:

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andycas:

Is there a online radio stream plugin for mythtv?

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cesman:

andycas: google mythstream

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CaptainCaveman:

hottest day of the year so far eh? I can believe that

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CaptainCaveman:

stinks down by the canal. all the fish which have recently been poisoned are still floating about and starting to rot. the environmental agency are aware of it, they say but don't seem to be in any hurry to do something about it

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CaptainCaveman:

hmmm why aren't I drinking yet? have to put that right, pronto!

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blackest:

heres a thing wednesday car was serviced thursday the driveshaft drops out luckily about 10 min before i got on the motorway is there much i cn do about this

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wagnerrp:

youre saying your car effectively fell apart a day after being serviced?

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blackest:

well not exactly my car I just drive it for the company i work for

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blackest:

potentially it could have caused mayhem if i had made it onto the motorway

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blackest:

i think theres not a lot i can do since there were no deaths caused

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mkrufky:

nick mkrufky-away

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mkrufky:

er

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wagnerrp:

but the driveshaft... dropped out??? like the mythbusters episode?

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kormoc:

blackest, you know... getting legal advice from random people on the internet isn't very useful. You should talk with a lawyer

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wagnerrp:

hence the 'IANAL' acronym

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tank-man:

let the company worry about it

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dustybin:

http://www.linuxcaffe.com <-- linux based internet cafe

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: There are many many of those

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dustybin:

good idea!

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dustybin:

a internet cafe where your data will be a lot safer

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** dustybin wonders how long windows xp lasts for in a busy internet cafe before they have no choice but to reinstall it **

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iamlindoro_:

Most internet cafes are smart enough to run protected images that are refreshed on reboot

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iamlindoro_:

As most student libraries and other publicly available terminals do

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CaptainCaveman:

could be worse

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CaptainCaveman:

(hic)

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: the only way to try and make the terrible OS usable

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iamlindoro_:

deepfreeze is commonly used for that

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dustybin:

i bet those guys in the linux cafe never have to rebuild with images

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dustybin:

as long as they have set it up properly

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iamlindoro_:

They would be foolish not to use deepfreeze or similar. Physical access = compromised no matter WHAT OS you use

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iamlindoro_:

even Linux.

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dustybin:

hm

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CaptainCaveman:

amen

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dustybin:

iamlindoro_: the odds of somone with that kind of knowledge is very slim

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iamlindoro_:

dustybin: wrong

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dustybin:

:-0

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CaptainCaveman:

funny, but I saw a multiple head webcafe setup at LWE a while back

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CaptainCaveman:

they used a fresh image every login & that was linuxy

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CaptainCaveman:

was also very nifty

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iamlindoro_:

Sounds nifty

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CaptainCaveman:

they had something like 30 terminals running from one machine

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CaptainCaveman:

each inside its own VM apparently

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CaptainCaveman:

whoops – TWO machines. it was two not one

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CaptainCaveman:

(hic again)

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, that's a good application for VMs

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CaptainCaveman:

any public facing internet kiosk operators would have to be idiots+++++ to not protect themselves properly

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CaptainCaveman:

downtime == lost revenue

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CaptainCaveman:

and last time I used an internet cafe it certainly wasn't XP they ran

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CaptainCaveman:

no need of those now though, not with ma wireless. muhahaha

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iamlindoro_:

It was Basic

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iamlindoro_:

10 Check email

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iamlindoro_:

20 Download Porn

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iamlindoro_:

20 Play WoW

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iamlindoro_:

30 goto 10

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iamlindoro_:

er s/20/30, and s/30/40/

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CaptainCaveman:

somebody should write BASIC bindings for mythtv to accelerate plugin development :P

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CaptainCaveman:

a guy is doing ruby on rails bindings, so why not? :D

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CaptainCaveman:

hmmmm I'm not sure those 6 cans in a row were such a good idea now

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iamlindoro_:

!trout Cisco freeradius

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** MythLogBot slaps Cisco with a freeradius trout on behalf of iamlindoro_... **

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iamlindoro_:

God damn you Aironet

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CaptainCaveman:

funny but that looked to me like Arian-net at first

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CaptainCaveman:

never mind the WPA key, let us see your blond hair & blue eyes, user

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dustybin:

10 x SATA seagate 1TB disks only use up 145watts of power, not bad at all

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CaptainCaveman:

only... yikes tell that to the icebergs

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iamlindoro_:

CaptainCaveman: He can't be bothered with icebergs, he has to prepare for largely-theoretical-UK-HD!

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kormoc:

CaptainCaveman, so write away

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dustybin:

CaptainCaveman: the case im getting has 6x 120mm fans

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dustybin:

there is room for 10 disks, but i will probably use 6x1TB in a RAID configuration

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dustybin:

ive never had a proper server box before, this is exciting

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dustybin:

this box will be the linux server what controls my whole house

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dustybin:

http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . ;ss_index=61

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: its trivial to root nearly any linux machine that you can reboot

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: not if you're australian

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wagnerrp:

think i could rig a backplane to a P180? similar to how that lian-li case is?

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wagnerrp:

remachine the bottom bay, so the drives are inserted sideways

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wagnerrp:

i suppose i would have to find a backplane with the proper spacing

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: boot only from HD, boot only preseleced configuration without passwd, bios passwd

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: if you have an ATA password that is better

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: it doesn't allow unattended reboot

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wagnerrp:

tjcarter, open case, remove battery and power (reset bios password), edit boot line to dump the kernel straight to a shell

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: you said reboot, not physical access to the inside of the box

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wagnerrp:

well if youre sitting at the machine to reboot it, you have physical access

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wagnerrp:

unless theres a camera on you

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tjcarter:

after all, a computer case can be a freakin' vault if you wanted it to be.

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wagnerrp:

you have to pay quite a bit for something that cannot be opened by just snapping some plastic

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AndyCap:

which I wonder, have anyone built a safemod.

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AndyCap:

should be able to make it fairly quiet if you have the whole safe as a heatsink. :P

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AndyCap:

sucks to have to drill a hole for cabling

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tjcarter:

wagnerrp: buy or fabricate.

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** AndyCap goes looking for a cheap used safe. **

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tjcarter:

of course, now you're talking about damaging the machine in some way to access it.

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ugnius:

hi, got a question, I (as being stupid enough) deleted some files from livetv dir, now I've got orphan entries in db and mythtv does not expire them, how do i fix that? Any link where i should look?

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tjcarter:

AndyCap: "only failed once"?

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AndyCap:

tjcarter: no problem if it was professionally opened and properly repaired

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AndyCap:

but better to find someone who needed a bigger safe

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AndyCap:

ugnius: the tip I got was to look at the backend log for the filenames and use touch or something to create them

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AndyCap:

ugnius: thus it makes backend happy and it can delete them

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ugnius:

AndyCap: thank you very much, brilliant idea :)

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CaptainCaveman:

ugnius: in future delete stuff the *correct* way ;)

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dustybin:

http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/libra . . . amp;S_CMP=GR

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CaptainCaveman:

ever heard of tinyurl ?

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ugnius:

CaptainCaveman: thanks for advice, i will

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Virindi:

hmmmm, I want a PC inside a safe :)

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high-rez:

Does anyone know, if you install mythfrontend on OSX – does it take advantage of the OS's hardware accelerated video?

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high-rez:

E.g. hardware accelerated mpeg and h264? Or does it just use ffmpeg?

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ere4si:

I've got my first mythtv installing mostly working but a recording will stop after a min, or a half hour, or it will finish like it should. Where do I start looking to solve that?

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high-rez:

I'd start with the backend log

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high-rez:

i'd think that would tell you why it stopped recording.

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ere4si:

high-rez: thnx – I'll see what that says

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tjcarter:

high-rez: not so much.

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tjcarter:

high-rez: OS X support for MythFrontend is not highly integrated with the OS features at all.

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tjcarter:

high-rez: That might change after qt4 porting

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tjcarter:

Essentially, there's a lot more justification for doing it then.

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tjcarter:

It didn't make a whole lot of sense to waste effort integrating MythFrontend with the Mac using qt3 knowing that all of that code was going to wind up essentially rewritten for qt4 anyway

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black_Nightmare_:

curious question but are most tv tuner pci cards (or whats not card that you use in your mythtv setup) just as long as the pci slot or longer? (in regarding to headers being located on same line as the pci slot if you know what I mean)

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high-rez:

tjcarter: Aha. I see.

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tjcarter:

...huh?

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high-rez:

I was hoping it would be given that h264 acceleration in linux doesn't really exist. ;)

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high-rez:

I saw an apple tv and though "geez if myth ran on it, I could have accelerated playback of h264 and not need a dual core machine" ;)

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tjcarter:

high-rez: yeah, IMO it'd make more sense to just teach CoreVideo to handle nuv files and use that.

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black_Nightmare_:

heh

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tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: you are asking how long are the average PCI tuner card?

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high-rez:

I have a relatively crappy machine doing mpeg2 hd playback, only possible using XvMC. But there's nothing like that for h264 – but I guess the appletv/macmini route is not one without it's faults.

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tjcarter:

mini id dual core

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tjcarter:

mini may not have powerful enough CPU for software for what you want, but it is dual core

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter look at this http://www.mini-box.com/core/media/media.nl?i . . . 17d3d7052d8b you have to wonder about being able to use any sata hds in certain setups with the way the ports are located

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tjcarter:

I would like to see a couple of things:

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black_Nightmare_:

and thats a jetway skt479 board yeah

[21:47:01]

tjcarter:

1. a MythFrontend .frapplication

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black_Nightmare_:

none of the other jetway boards have this odd layout strangely enough

[21:47:17]

tjcarter:

2. CoreVideo playback of MythTV

[21:48:07]

tjcarter:

3. A replacement for the part of Front Row that gets displayed when you hit the button that supports a little better keyboard control

[21:48:43]

tjcarter:

4. While we're replacing bits of Front Row itself, the option to window it and change tasks. Maybe switch to window when changing tasks

[21:48:55]

dustybin:

excellent tshirt

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dustybin:

http://static.syswear.com/images/tshirts/othe . . . arge_red.png

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black_Nightmare_:

lol dustybin thats a good one :p

[21:49:41]

black_Nightmare_:

makes me thinking of another slogan..

[21:50:09]

black_Nightmare_:

'my other computer is in another house' (hmm or change 'another' for 'someone else's'?)

[21:50:22]

black_Nightmare_:

one word: hacked

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black_Nightmare_:

either way tjcarter did you see that picture link yet?

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black_Nightmare_:

(the one I posted)

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high-rez:

tjcarter: See I would make it a dedciated machine. I don't have any of my myth be dual use – so frontrow etc wouldn't be any good.

[21:52:48]

tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: You almost need a riser card for that

[21:52:57]

black_Nightmare_:

yeah

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black_Nightmare_:

either way tjcarter one hardware question if you mind...

[21:53:24]

tjcarter:

Most tuners are going to block at least one of those SATA's

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dustybin:

what does 'free the mallocs' mean?

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black_Nightmare_:

if you have the screen plugged to the system by a different mean (say vga or well you know) .. is it plauseable to adapt the hdmi port for digital coaxial audio output alone?

[21:54:12]

tjcarter:

unless you get a right-angle sata connector in there, and that's stil going to be tight

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black_Nightmare_:

I have to agree with you re these sata ports ... not good design I would think

[21:54:43]

dustybin:

another quality tshirt: http://www.syswear.com/view/tshirts?d=33

[21:55:10]

tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: it's certainly possible, but you aren't likeot to find the adapter to do it.

[21:55:22]

tjcarter:

unless you get one that splits to DVI plug and audio

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high-rez:

tjcarter: What sources do you use? (e.g. dvb, ivtv etc) ?

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter hm thanks – was just wondering about certain boards that lacked any seperate digital audio connectors you know

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black_Nightmare_:

(why I don't know but then its not really any issues to me)

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tjcarter:

high-rez: I have an old pvr500

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tjcarter:

high-rez: fed via svideo

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high-rez:

Ahh I had one of those. It was Dual 150's with a PCI bridge if I remember correctly?

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tjcarter:

when the device matures and maybe is available in a dual configuration, I'll move to the Hauppauge thingy

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high-rez:

The HDp_PVR?

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high-rez:

HD-PVR

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tjcarter:

yeah, dual 150s, LOUSY reception on the second video port unless you seriously overdrive the first.

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tjcarter:

My goal is to move both boxes to component video

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high-rez:

Yeah I had one of those. I'm a fan of DVB-S these days.

[21:59:52]

tjcarter:

I live in an apartment

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tjcarter:

I could get sat TV, but it would cost me more

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter not to sound crazy but is it likely a DIY cable splicing time or have you heard of cables to connect hdmi ports to component(+digital audio) sources?

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tjcarter:

you can't do HDMI to component

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tjcarter:

can do HDMI to RGB ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

hrm so would need dvi port instead of hdmi then I guess?

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tjcarter:

but it'd be digital RGB, not analog

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tjcarter:

so DVI-D + audio, basically

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tjcarter:

3

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah...thanks anyway :p

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tjcarter:

you coupld possibly splice the HDMI cable

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black_Nightmare_:

just kinda trying slowly figure out motherboard choices for mainly-multimedia-tasked box ^_^

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tjcarter:

but HDMI cables of any quality cost enough that I would consider that expensive.

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black_Nightmare_:

kinda a tad confusing with many different type of video and audio hookups on every models you know

[22:02:41]

black_Nightmare_:

yeah hdmi cables aren't pretty (pricewise) around here

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tjcarter:

http://www.mini-box.com/Hybrid-C7-1G_2 O_O

[22:04:44]

tjcarter:

if it weren't Jetway, that could be interesting.

[22:05:14]

tjcarter:

though I'd really want a passive cooling setup

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black_Nightmare_:

looks okay to me but then not quite one I'll like but then of course to our own ;)

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tjcarter:

of course, 1600x1200 is the highest resolution the thing supports

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tjcarter:

it won't do 1080p then

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter curious question for you...

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black_Nightmare_:

if you only had space for one port svideo would be better than composite since if needed in a pinch you can turn svideo into composite but its difficult other way otherwise .. no?

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black_Nightmare_:

if no comment thats no problem ;)

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tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: you are correct.

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tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: plus the signal tends to degrade when you go the other direction.

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tjcarter:

Component can become S-Video can become Composite

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tjcarter:

going the opposite direction is hard.

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah...well strangely enough it seem to be like a 'hit n miss' thing but one way to put it is some epia come with svideo, others come with composite instead

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black_Nightmare_:

jetway seem to be doing it too

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tjcarter:

Component is three signals, Y, Cr, and Cb. That's black and white, plus difference signals for red and blue (basically how NTSC gets color)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm I've never heard of anyone turning component into svideo but I guess its always free to do if somehow needed ;)

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tjcarter:

play with Lab color sliders in Photoshop for an idea of how it works

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tjcarter:

Cr and Cb mixed become C, as in Y, C for S-Video.

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tjcarter:

Mix Y and C and you have composite.

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black_Nightmare_:

heh aye

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tjcarter:

The real trick is going to and from RGB and YCrCb

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black_Nightmare_:

btw I actually once stole a 3x-composite cable to hook up component between tv and receiver at someone's place once (had to check which 'mis'colour was which at the other end lol) .. figured

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black_Nightmare_:

couldn't find any single rca cables laying around so I guess why not

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black_Nightmare_:

red to orange (thats what it looked like to me) .. white to green .. yellow to blue

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter have you ever came across odd video connectors/-ing at times or not really? for me hm the only one I remember was the SNES using a single rca for both video&audio (I eventually managed to trade for the better multilink-connected composite cable instead and still have that here)

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tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: that single RCA was modulated RF

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AndyCap:

black_Nightmare_: single rca for audio or video. sure it wasnt RF?

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tjcarter:

the lousiest signal possible

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tjcarter:

you would also have had an option on an older SNES for composite

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter yeah and strangely enough you still could use this very same RF splicing thing with N64's too

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tjcarter:

the interesting thing is that many LCD drivers are made today for TV or computers

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tjcarter:

what's cool about this is that you can feed component video in the VGA port and some LCDs will cope.

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black_Nightmare_:

I think only the NES really was worthy of that RF thing .. SNES and N64 were better off with composite

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madgeek:

Hello. I have a frontend that is also a ubuntu desktop, it uses TV out on a separate X display. However when i switch focus on display 0 (the desktop) mythfrontend looses focus on display 1. This prevents me from using any UI buttons (i.e the exit yes/no and setup back and forward) IR still works. Any ideas?

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Linuxkeitaro_:

hello

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tjcarter:

The REALLY cool thing about this is if you have an old Amiga or Apple IIgs or something, you can probably fashion yourself a video cable, and the LCD should sync with it.

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Linuxkeitaro_:

how can I check if mythtv is properly acting as a uPnP server?

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tjcarter:

do you know how many years it's been since a computer monitor has been sold to the mass market that'll sync at frequencies low enough to use an Apple IIgs? ;)

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter hm well I know that different people have their own libraries of movies but how common do you think mpeg4 would be?

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madgeek:

Linuxkeitaro_: check on a separate frontend, it will find it if its working

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Linuxkeitaro_:

I don't have a separate front end

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black_Nightmare_:

(the part 2 type that is)

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madgeek:

\Linuxkeitaro_: if you have a PC, use a live CD

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Linuxkeitaro_:

madgeek – ok, that's one possibility

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Linuxkeitaro_:

so if the front end finds it, then uPNP is working?

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Linuxkeitaro_:

also, typically, should I have to configure something on my router?

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AndyCap:

Linuxkeitaro_: that's a different upnp

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madgeek:

Linuxkeitaro_: thats for opening ports to the internet, not LAN

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Linuxkeitaro_:

ok

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Linuxkeitaro_:

well, to come out with it – I just got a neuros OSD today and it has a upnpBrowser and I want to know if it's the neuros not working

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Linuxkeitaro_:

or somethingin my network

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Linuxkeitaro_:

or something in my mythtv

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Linuxkeitaro_:

setup

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madgeek:

it sould see it

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madgeek:

my windows upnp clients see it

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Linuxkeitaro_:

what do you use in windows?

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madgeek:

my network places

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AndyCap:

Linuxkeitaro_: my internets radio saw mythtv and I don't think I've done anything to it

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madgeek:

does not do puch

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Linuxkeitaro_:

I will check my netowrk places

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black_Nightmare_:

tjcarter ?

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madgeek:

you have to click enable upnp

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madgeek:

reposting:

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madgeek:

. I have a frontend that is also a ubuntu desktop, it uses TV out on a separate X display. However when i switch focus on display 0 (the desktop) mythfrontend looses focus on display 1. This prevents me from using any UI buttons (i.e the exit yes/no and setup back and forward) IR still works. Any ideas?

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Linuxkeitaro_:

madgeek I saw that, it's installing some windows component

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Linuxkeitaro_:

my network places does NOT show it

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Linuxkeitaro_:

so perhaps my mythtv is either not sending the upnp packets or my routers is blocking them

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madgeek:

Linuxkeitaro_ try rebooting

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Linuxkeitaro_:

madgeek which machine?

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Linuxkeitaro_:

win or myth?

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madgeek:

Linuxkeitaro_ XP

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Linuxkeitaro_:

k

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madgeek:

just for clarification, why do you need upnp?

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Linuxkeitaro_:

for neuros osd

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tjcarter:

http://benheck.com/04-14-2008/apple-iigs-orig . . . dware-laptop <-- I thought I was nuts

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Linuxkeitaro_:

my myth box had its IP address (within myth backend) as 127.0.0.1, I changed it to its real address

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Linuxkeitaro_:

does that mean I need to restart the myth computer too?

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madgeek:

no

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** black_Nightmare_ pokes tjcarter to about 9–10 minutes ago ;) **

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madgeek:

the change should have been made

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Linuxkeitaro_:

ok

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Linuxkeitaro_:

after XP is done rebooting if it can't see it, I'll reboot mythtv

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madgeek:

what distro are you running?

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tjcarter:

black_Nightmare_: AVC is the format used by now dead HD-DVD AND by Blu-Ray

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Linuxkeitaro_:

mythdora – lastest ver

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Linuxkeitaro_:

ok, so winXP sees my router as a upnp device but does not see mythtv

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madgeek:

i use mythbuntu, it all worked out of the box for me using 0.21-fixes

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black_Nightmare_:

AVC?

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madgeek:

maybe its a config that mythdora does not have enabled by default?

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madgeek:

i doubt its your router, its a LAN switch basically

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black_Nightmare_:

oh hm...

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Linuxkeitaro_:

well, I poked around my router and it has a setting called "enable upnp"

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Linuxkeitaro_:

but it's checked

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Linuxkeitaro_:

I decided to reboot mythdora just in case

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black_Nightmare_:

well so am I wrong or there's not much sharing of part 2 mpeg4 movies?

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madgeek:

thats for the internet, not LAN

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madgeek:

how long have you had your backend?

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black_Nightmare_:

and tjcarter if you were wondering that question was also partially in relate to unichrome verus fewer unichromeII igps' (only latter has mpeg4 accerlator)

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Linuxkeitaro_:

less than 1 yr

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Linuxkeitaro_:

this is pretty annoying even after the reboot it still doesn't show up

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madgeek:

i dont think i can help you much. ive only used mythbuntu. i can tell you that upn p works out of the box. i have a linksys router. if you have your recordings on dvd, i'd suggest switching ;)

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Linuxkeitaro_:

yeah, I have too many recordings to backup now

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Linuxkeitaro_:

in the backend I just had to change the master ip address and now I can see it in winxp

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madgeek:

d'oh....i should have thought of that

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Linuxkeitaro_:

it works now!

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SqWaw:

alright, heres my problem: i have like 15 tuners listed in /dev/video* so how can i figure out which of my tuners are which and which ones to use in mythtv-setup ?

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SqWaw:

preferably in some automated way... (a script using cat maybe?)

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AndyCap:

SqWaw: udevinfo ?

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AndyCap:

SqWaw: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Device_Filenames_and_udev

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SqWaw:

hmmm reading..

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fryfrog: awake?

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