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| [00:07:10] | victor: | hi, I was compiling the latest svn version of mythtv and i came across this error: make[2]: *** [libmythupnp-0.22.so.0.22.0] Error 1 |
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| [00:13:21] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: sorry, had gone out for a bit-- let me get a capture on a "known bad" channel and I'll /msg you |
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| [01:09:20] | justdave: | is there a hook or plugin method for adding stuff to menus in MythFrontend? |
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| [01:09:51] | justdave: | I have it installed from a package, and I'm just worried if I directly edit the main xml files, they'll get overwritten the next time I upgrade |
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| [01:11:00] | my2keh: | hey anyone around for a stupid question? heh |
| [01:11:17] | justdave: | as long as you don't mind a stupid answer ;) |
| [01:11:26] | GreyFoxx: | just: the xml edits are the oonly way |
| [01:11:46] | my2keh: | at this point, I'll take a stupid answer! I'm tired heh |
| [01:12:11] | my2keh: | i'm trying to do this: |
| [01:12:13] | my2keh: | cd /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.23-chw-4 |
| [01:12:13] | my2keh: | cp /boot/config-2.6.23-chw-4 .config |
| [01:12:13] | my2keh: | make |
| [01:12:27] | my2keh: | but getting stupid errors at random like this: |
| [01:12:28] | my2keh: | http://pastebin.ca/1077975 |
| [01:12:31] | justdave: | GreyFoxx: ok, so I'll just need to make notes of what I did and do it over when I get upgrades. Fair enough, just hoped there was something more flexible. :) |
| [01:13:17] | my2keh: | what is really wierd, is if I do a "make clean; make" it seems to just error out in a different spot |
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| [01:14:15] | justdave: | my2keh: that sounds like a kernel build thing, not mythtv |
| [01:14:24] | my2keh: | it's FOR mythtv though |
| [01:14:25] | my2keh: | heh |
| [01:14:31] | justdave: | seems to me like there's more to it for building a kernel though... |
| [01:14:38] | justdave: | try "make menuselect" |
| [01:14:44] | iamlindoro: | Should we troubleshoot your floppy drive if you plug it in to your Myth box? |
| [01:14:51] | my2keh: | Yes |
| [01:14:55] | iamlindoro: | or maybe your USB fan? |
| [01:14:58] | iamlindoro: | afraid not |
| [01:15:05] | my2keh: | actually I have a serial fan |
| [01:15:06] | iamlindoro: | see #$DISTRONAME |
| [01:15:13] | iamlindoro: | or ##linux |
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| [01:15:52] | my2keh: | i love this place! |
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| [01:19:52] | wesw02: | hello guys |
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| [01:20:59] | wesw02: | I just purchased a new motherboard for a frontend box that I built and the motherboard comes with an onboard ati card (3200 HD), unfortunately the driver support for this card is not very good yet, I have some video tearing and am overall disappointed at this point |
| [01:21:16] | wesw02: | So what I need to do is suck it up and purchase a better graphics card |
| [01:21:45] | wesw02: | can someone recommend a good graphics card, that has no problems rendering hd video |
| [01:22:32] | iamlindoro: | wesw02: All the nvidia cards 5200 and better do a good job, but reliable sources say that the ATI cards card be made to work these days-- you may want to spend a bit more time on it (and use Xv rather that OpenGL if you are using that) |
| [01:22:49] | iamlindoro: | also, I assume you are using fglrx and not any other driver |
| [01:23:05] | my2keh: | do you think this is a hardware recommendation channel? |
| [01:23:08] | my2keh: | do you want me to recommend you dishwasher's too? |
| [01:23:33] | iamlindoro: | wesw02: don't mind my2keh, he has sand in his vagina because we won't compile his kernel for him |
| [01:23:52] | my2keh: | i wish I had a vagina |
| [01:23:55] | my2keh: | i wouldn't be here |
| [01:25:19] | iamlindoro: | wesw02: You may want to see if gbee is about (or catch him a few hours earlier tomorrow) as he's a myth dev who recently had good success with the onboard ATI + fglrx, including HDMI and HD output... might be worth picking his brain a bit |
| [01:26:09] | wesw02: | iamlindoro thanks for the info, I'll try to catch him later this evening |
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| [01:27:43] | iamlindoro: | wesw02: I would ask him in here, not #mythtv (you may get rebuked if you ask in there) |
| [01:27:58] | iamlindoro: | even if that means waiting for him to rejoin the room-- he idles most of the time in the dev room |
| [01:28:08] | iamlindoro: | but is here quite often |
| [01:28:33] | iamlindoro: | (it's 2:30 AM where he is, so he's probably Zzzzzz) |
| [01:29:16] | wesw02: | oh okay |
| [01:31:00] | iamlindoro: | There's also a fair chance that you might get some good help in your distro's room, whichever that may be-- fglrx has come a long way lately from what I understand, but still requires some... erm... "tweaking" to get just right |
| [01:31:21] | iamlindoro: | Are you using the OpenGL, or the xv-blit video renderer in Myth? |
| [01:31:41] | wesw02: | Xv |
| [01:31:41] | iamlindoro: | I ask because I get a fairly painful amount of tearing w/ the OpenGL renderer, but xv-blit in consistently smooth |
| [01:31:46] | iamlindoro: | oh, ok, good |
| [01:31:51] | wesw02: | its not too bad |
| [01:31:54] | wesw02: | its tolerable |
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| [01:32:06] | wesw02: | and has gotten better as I have played with it |
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| [01:32:15] | iamlindoro: | So secondly, have you tweaked your deinterlacers at all to see if that has an affect? |
| [01:32:42] | wesw02: | but its still tears a bit, espically when rendering scenes which involve a lot of quick motion |
| [01:32:48] | wesw02: | no |
| [01:32:55] | wesw02: | I haven't touched the deinterlacers |
| [01:33:11] | iamlindoro: | It would be worth playing with those a bit, can have a *huge* affect |
| [01:33:12] | wagnerrp: | my2keh: what would having a vagina have to do with being here? |
| [01:33:54] | wesw02: | okay, I'll lookup some info on deinterlacers and I'll also check in my distros channel (gentoo) |
| [01:34:07] | my2keh: | I'd be enjoying my vagina duuh |
| [01:34:07] | iamlindoro: | wesw02: especially as with many default playback profiles, Bob or Bob2x are used, which can be really back causing OSD flicker, etc. |
| [01:34:17] | iamlindoro: | s/back/bad/ |
| [01:34:36] | wagnerrp: | you cant enjoy yourself as it is? |
| [01:34:50] | iamlindoro: | wesw02: Edit your playback profiles in myth, and check the second page of each-- first try linear blend (the most simple one) and move up from there until you find the balance of form and function |
| [01:35:10] | wagnerrp: | im just confused as to how you being female would change anything |
| [01:35:18] | wesw02: | also, one thing |
| [01:35:56] | wesw02: | i'm on mythtv 0.20, do you think moving to 0.21 could improve it? |
| [01:36:07] | wesw02: | 0.21 is still masked in my distro |
| [01:36:21] | iamlindoro: | wow, holy gentoo batman |
| [01:36:29] | iamlindoro: | they still install .20 by default?? |
| [01:36:33] | iamlindoro: | jesus |
| [01:36:40] | iamlindoro: | .21 improves *everything* |
| [01:36:46] | wesw02: | yea |
| [01:36:47] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its pretty pathetic |
| [01:36:52] | wesw02: | its been masked for months |
| [01:37:45] | wesw02: | i sadly feel, a small decline in the speed which packages are added |
| [01:37:54] | wesw02: | but still love gentoo |
| [01:38:07] | iamlindoro: | if by small decline you mean MONTHS since release... wowie. |
| [01:38:14] | wagnerrp: | there is a disturbance in the portage |
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| [01:38:30] | wagnerrp: | its as if a million maintainers cried out, and then stop submitting |
| [01:39:09] | iamlindoro: | Maybe they went to that "Fuck you, you can't use our distro, go fucking home" distro |
| [01:39:09] | wesw02: | wagnerrp, i love the parity in your remarks |
| [01:39:48] | iamlindoro: | what was that thing called... |
| [01:39:51] | wesw02: | anyways, you think moving to 0.21 would help with the video tearing |
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| [01:40:16] | iamlindoro: | Couldn't hurt... it's bound to help lots of things |
| [01:40:21] | wesw02: | when I play a movie, just with mplayer, it still has video tearing |
| [01:40:33] | wesw02: | fair enough |
| [01:41:16] | wagnerrp: | video tearing? as in your card is not capable of keeping up with the framerate of the TV? |
| [01:41:41] | wesw02: | when playing ripped movies |
| [01:41:44] | wesw02: | hd movies |
| [01:41:47] | wesw02: | to be more specific |
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| [01:43:30] | iamlindoro: | Exherbo! |
| [01:43:32] | iamlindoro: | That was it |
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| [01:44:18] | wesw02: | ah |
| [01:48:03] | cesman: | it has been a while since I've used Gentoo, but cannot you 'unmask' it? |
| [01:48:11] | cesman: | I seen to remember some such thing... |
| [01:48:14] | wesw02: | oh yea |
| [01:48:18] | wesw02: | i can |
| [01:48:51] | wesw02: | I typically just wait for packages to be unmasked, espically large scale packages like mythtv |
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| [01:59:22] | wagnerrp: | well depending on your system, mythtv should take more than a hour to build |
| [01:59:44] | wagnerrp: | thats about how long it takes on my old... old old old... old ass laptop |
| [01:59:51] | wagnerrp: | my backend takes about 15 minutes |
| [02:00:03] | iamlindoro: | yikes |
| [02:00:08] | iamlindoro: | double entendre ;) |
| [02:00:24] | wagnerrp: | err... shouldn't |
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| [02:49:00] | DarkDrgn2k: | any one know if cx18 supports radio? |
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| [02:50:16] | SHADOW__X: | hello everyone |
| [02:50:33] | iamlindoro: | DarkDrgn2k: Since ivtv does radio, it's a fair bet that it does |
| [02:52:55] | DarkDrgn2k: | iamlindoro: i see the device and all and tried running radio -s ... it scans but finds nothing... odd |
| [02:53:07] | SHADOW__X: | hey iamlindoro |
| [02:53:09] | SHADOW__X: | hey mkrufky |
| [02:53:16] | iamlindoro: | DarkDrgn2k: Dunno, try #ivtv, myth doesn't do any radio anything |
| [02:53:18] | DarkDrgn2k: | hey mkrufky: you around? |
| [02:54:02] | DarkDrgn2k: | iamlindoro: i know.. was thinking to build a plugin for it but i kinda need to get it working first :-P |
| [02:55:10] | DarkDrgn2k: | hmmm mike around at all? |
| [02:56:53] | DarkDrgn2k: | wow #ivtv is empty.. no i eman thers only me and chancerve there :-P |
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| [02:57:40] | wagnerrp: | you might want to try #ivtv-dev instead |
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| [02:58:01] | DarkDrgn2k: | meh not improtant |
| [02:58:03] | DarkDrgn2k: | ill bug them alter |
| [02:58:47] | DarkDrgn2k: | but listen. i was sopposed to do a usb snoop of an ATSC dongle for mike, but i can seem to find a program to do that, any one know of any (snoop the windows driver) |
| [03:08:08] | mkrufky: | sniffusb2.0 |
| [03:08:21] | mkrufky: | by benoit something-or-other |
| [03:08:31] | mkrufky: | usbsnoop |
| [03:08:35] | mkrufky: | sniffbin |
| [03:08:46] | mkrufky: | whatever its called — google knows how to find it |
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| [03:18:50] | DarkDrgn2k: | mkrufky: Dam i tried it before and it wouldnt work.. all of a sudden its capturing :-S go figure.... |
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| [03:19:45] | DarkDrgn2k: | mkrufky: then again it doesnt seem to be snooping much during a scan.. |
| [03:23:28] | DarkDrgn2k: | well i poseted what i had.... |
| [03:26:13] | mkrufky: | sorry i cant really walk u through this now |
| [03:26:18] | mkrufky: | i gotta go |
| [03:26:20] | mkrufky: | have a good night |
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| [04:42:55] | DarkDrgn2k: | Which table is the guide storned in? |
| [04:45:02] | Agrajag-: | program |
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| [05:02:29] | Lexridge: | hi dagmar. Replacing my RT kernel with a stock one did not change the lockups. However, I did update the nvidia driver this evening, and so far, so good. time will tell. |
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| [05:12:18] | wagnerrp: | RT kernel? real-time? |
| [05:13:23] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [05:13:52] | wagnerrp: | what would you be doing that you would need real time? |
| [05:14:16] | Lexridge: | dagmar suggested thursday night that Xorg deadlocks may be caused by the RT kernel. |
| [05:14:28] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: Multitrack audio recording. |
| [05:15:33] | Lexridge: | deadlocks were happening while running mythtv on one screen (NTSC) and Firefox on the main computer monitor. |
| [05:15:36] | wagnerrp: | ah, shame anything with any amount of local cache is rather expensive |
| [05:16:17] | Lexridge: | I have 2GB RAM. Don't think this could be a caching issue......could it? |
| [05:16:42] | wagnerrp: | well you need an RT kernel because the sound cards have minimal cache |
| [05:16:50] | Lexridge: | oh, right. |
| [05:17:11] | Lexridge: | and......to make sure the it gets the proper priority |
| [05:18:00] | Lexridge: | With the latest 2.6.26 kernel, I can get at best 5ms latency, with dropped frames. With my 2.4.24RT kernel, I'm getting 2ms latency with zero dropped frames. |
| [05:18:51] | Lexridge: | my myth backend is on a different machine. I'm only using the frontend on this box. |
| [05:19:29] | wagnerrp: | never used a frame grabber, so ive never had to deal with the loopback capture |
| [05:19:57] | Lexridge: | I'm using both a hauppage HVR1600 and a PVR150 in the backend server. |
| [05:20:30] | Lexridge: | by dropped frames, I'm not referring to video, but CPU ticks essentually. |
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| [05:22:38] | wagnerrp: | well what are you recording from if youve got mpeg cards? |
| [05:24:11] | Lexridge: | I perhaps was confusing here. I only use the RT kernel because of the low latency it provides when multitracking audio using Qtractor. It has nothing to do with MythFrontEnd. Myth should work regardless, as it does not require RT. |
| [05:24:46] | wagnerrp: | ah, just curious |
| [05:25:21] | Lexridge: | but, RT is not whats causing it to crash my desktop. It ONLY happens when running mythtv full screen NTSC while running Firefox full screen on my computer monitor....two monitors, one computer. |
| [05:25:42] | wagnerrp: | rather specific scenario |
| [05:26:08] | Lexridge: | yea, and it's been a slow process of elimination. |
| [05:27:37] | Lexridge: | now for something perhaps totally do-able.....how do I make mythweb stream in FLV so I can watch my recordings from work during slow times? |
| [05:27:58] | Lexridge: | I have found a few links for this, but all seem a bit old and deprecated. |
| [05:28:07] | wagnerrp: | you have to specifically enable it in the mythweb settings |
| [05:28:18] | wagnerrp: | mythweb --> settings --> mythweb --> video playback |
| [05:28:36] | Lexridge: | lemme look there... |
| [05:28:41] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, just have ffmpeg installed on the web server, and it should work automagically |
| [05:28:55] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember having to do much more than that |
| [05:29:12] | wagnerrp: | there were maybe one or two other dependencies i had to track down |
| [05:30:00] | wagnerrp: | oh, when i installed ffmpeg, mp3 support was not enabled by default, so i had to recompile |
| [05:30:19] | Lexridge: | you had to recompile what? |
| [05:30:27] | wagnerrp: | ffmpeg |
| [05:30:31] | Lexridge: | mythtv or mythweb |
| [05:30:31] | Lexridge: | ok |
| [05:31:02] | wagnerrp: | mythweb runs completely independently of the frontend and backend |
| [05:31:18] | wagnerrp: | i have it running on a separate box, on a dedicated VM |
| [05:31:31] | wagnerrp: | i just had to give it nfs access to the recordings, and sql permissions |
| [05:31:52] | Lexridge: | okay, I found it...cool! I should be able to get this going now... |
| [05:31:59] | wagnerrp: | plus file access for mythvideo/mythmusic |
| [05:32:59] | Lexridge: | oh yea, that begs another question....my mp3 collection is on an mp3 server. MythTV can play them just fine, but they cannot stream as well.....I assume now this is a ffmpeg related issue. |
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| [05:35:09] | Lexridge: | okay, I have FLV enabled. Do I have to "click" somewhere to transcode? |
| [05:36:42] | wagnerrp: | its done on-the-fly |
| [05:36:49] | wagnerrp: | go to recorded programs |
| [05:36:53] | wagnerrp: | click on the image of a recording |
| [05:37:08] | wagnerrp: | and hit play on the box in the top right |
| [05:38:08] | Lexridge: | I must have ffmpeg problems. Nothing happens. |
| [05:38:18] | wagnerrp: | check the logs |
| [05:38:26] | Lexridge: | which logs? httpd? |
| [05:38:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [05:38:52] | wagnerrp: | check running processes, you should be running ffmpeg |
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| [05:39:38] | Lexridge: | no, it's not running |
| [05:40:08] | wagnerrp: | my current command is "/usr/local/bin/ffmpeg -y -i /mnt/mythtv/myth0_2/video//4054_20080718200000.mpg -s 512x384 -r 24 -f flv -ac 2 -ar 11025 -ab 96k -b 512k /dev/stdout" |
| [05:40:14] | Lexridge: | do I need to queue a transcoding job? |
| [05:40:18] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:40:23] | Lexridge: | ok |
| [05:40:29] | wagnerrp: | you click play, and it automatically starts up |
| [05:40:39] | wagnerrp: | you click stop, and the transcode times out after a few seconds |
| [05:41:31] | Lexridge: | I probably will need to fix my ffmpeg first. I'm certain that is the problem at this point. My Fedora Myth server is a bit messed at the moment after adding ATRPMS as a repository. I need to get this corrected first. |
| [05:42:14] | Lexridge: | but at least I now know how to do this, thanks to you. :) |
| [05:43:40] | nuonguy: | what do you do when mythtv-setup fails to perform a database upgrade? |
| [05:43:41] | nuonguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1078139 |
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| [05:45:15] | wagnerrp: | youre upgrading from what to what? |
| [05:45:26] | nuonguy: | from 21-fixes to trunk |
| [05:45:29] | Lexridge: | this happens when running mythfilldatabase or what? |
| [05:45:35] | nuonguy: | no |
| [05:45:38] | nuonguy: | mythtv-setup |
| [05:45:55] | nuonguy: | I had been running from atrpms but I'm going with trunk to get hdpvr support |
| [05:46:03] | wagnerrp: | have there been any recent patched made to trunk concerning mythtv-setup? |
| [05:46:17] | nuonguy: | wagnerrp: are you asking me? |
| [05:46:24] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [05:46:28] | nuonguy: | I don't know |
| [05:46:31] | wagnerrp: | thats the first thing i would check |
| [05:46:38] | wagnerrp: | one of the devs patched, and broke something |
| [05:46:48] | Lexridge: | what user are you running mythtv-setup as? |
| [05:46:56] | nuonguy: | I created a user called mythtv |
| [05:47:12] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter, its a mysql command which is independent of the unix user |
| [05:47:12] | nuonguy: | you think this might be a password issue? |
| [05:47:29] | Lexridge: | wagnerrp: shouldn't the mythtv user have been created by default? |
| [05:47:51] | Lexridge: | I don't recall having to create a mythtv user |
| [05:47:58] | nuonguy: | I'm not enough of a mysql or db guy to know what 'Column 'channum' cannot be part of FULLTEXT index' means |
| [05:48:05] | wagnerrp: | users and passwords are irrelevant |
| [05:48:22] | wagnerrp: | they have to be right or else the program wouldnt have gotten to the point of attempting to issue a query |
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| [05:48:38] | wagnerrp: | it has to log in first before it can try to do that |
| [05:49:12] | Lexridge: | true |
| [05:49:41] | Lexridge: | can you manully log into mysql using /usr/bin/mysql? Not sure what syntax to tell you. I'm not a database guy either. |
| [05:49:52] | litius: | hey, does anybody have any pleasant / unpleasant experience with Gyro 2.4 Air mouse? |
| [05:50:07] | wagnerrp: | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg |
| [05:50:22] | litius: | trying to decide on the remote strategy.. |
| [05:50:34] | Lexridge: | try that nuonguy. |
| [05:50:41] | nuonguy: | sure, that works |
| [05:50:52] | wagnerrp: | try issuing that command manually |
| [05:51:07] | wagnerrp: | make sure to backup your database before doing anything |
| [05:51:27] | nuonguy: | the whole ALTER TABLE command? |
| [05:51:40] | wagnerrp: | yes, backup the table first |
| [05:51:57] | Lexridge: | gotta run..thanks for your help, wagnerrp. |
| [05:52:03] | wagnerrp: | instructions are on the wiki |
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| [05:53:12] | litius: | Gyro 2.4 Air mouse? nobody? |
| [05:53:29] | nuonguy: | litius: never heard of it |
| [05:53:33] | wagnerrp: | ive used one of the old gyration mice, but not with mythtv |
| [05:53:52] | wagnerrp: | seems channum has changed from a varchar to a varbinary |
| [05:54:19] | litius: | wagnerrp, did you have any probs with it? |
| [05:54:47] | wagnerrp: | no, but i didnt use it much |
| [05:54:58] | wagnerrp: | it was in one of the larger lecture halls on campus |
| [05:55:05] | litius: | I see – thx... what would you suggest as the best remote for mythtv? |
| [05:55:09] | wagnerrp: | i remember it being awkward to use |
| [05:55:21] | wagnerrp: | kind of like a wiimote, but less precise |
| [05:56:01] | wagnerrp: | personally, ive got a harmony, running off a hauppauge receiver |
| [05:56:05] | litius: | can't configure wii mote to perform well.. almost gave up.. so looking for an alternative... |
| [05:56:51] | wagnerrp: | really? i thought there were programs that could bind it directly to the mouse |
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| [05:57:00] | litius: | yea.. cwiid |
| [05:57:08] | litius: | and winputd driver |
| [05:57:13] | wagnerrp: | weve got one of our 3D visualization programs at work set up to use the accelerometers for rotation |
| [05:57:40] | litius: | did you succeed? |
| [05:57:51] | litius: | cause the motion is terrible.. |
| [05:58:08] | litius: | freezes/moves back, all that.. |
| [05:58:18] | wagnerrp: | works seamlessly for us |
| [05:58:50] | wagnerrp: | it was all of 50 lines of code to attach the wii libraries to the program |
| [05:59:11] | wagnerrp: | but i havent looked at it in over a year |
| [05:59:18] | litius: | that's kuel.. I have libs attached.. but I guess still missing something.. |
| [05:59:28] | litius: | did you guys use a sensor bar as well |
| [05:59:32] | wagnerrp: | we never tried to use it as a mouse though |
| [05:59:38] | wagnerrp: | just the accelerometers |
| [05:59:45] | litius: | I see... |
| [05:59:56] | wagnerrp: | rotate the nunchuck, it rotates the object on screen |
| [06:00:12] | litius: | right.. I understand.. |
| [06:00:18] | litius: | that is what you have: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/uni . . . amp;cl=us,en ? |
| [06:01:36] | wagnerrp: | no, 880 in one room, 550 in another |
| [06:01:42] | nuonguy: | wagnerrp: issuing the ALTER TABLE command resulted in the same error message |
| [06:02:07] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its not going to work |
| [06:02:19] | wagnerrp: | you cant do a text index on a binary column |
| [06:02:28] | wagnerrp: | someone screwed up the schema |
| [06:02:35] | wagnerrp: | submit a ticket |
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| [06:04:17] | nuonguy: | you mean at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/newticket ? |
| [06:04:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [06:04:50] | litius: | I see.. so you would suggest to get a "USB-UIR" and start from there.. |
| [06:04:59] | wagnerrp: | or mention it to a dev next time one is active on here |
| [06:05:11] | wagnerrp: | i would suggest no such thing (never used one) |
| [06:05:19] | wagnerrp: | so i cant comment on it |
| [06:05:23] | litius: | I see.. |
| [06:05:30] | nuonguy: | component is 'mythtv' |
| [06:05:32] | litius: | that is just a IR receiver |
| [06:05:39] | nuonguy: | should I set priority and severity? |
| [06:05:47] | wagnerrp: | only remote ive ever used is the one built into my hauppauge tuners |
| [06:05:53] | wagnerrp: | only receiver, rather |
| [06:06:22] | wagnerrp: | im searching to see if theres a ticket already out |
| [06:06:48] | litius: | I see.. well this one should be nicely configured via LIRC |
| [06:06:59] | litius: | to virtually any IR remote.. |
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| [06:07:48] | wagnerrp: | the only problem with the UIR is that it is universal |
| [06:07:58] | wagnerrp: | meaning once you pick a remote, you have to program the IR codes |
| [06:08:08] | wagnerrp: | program them into LIRC |
| [06:08:11] | litius: | that is true.. |
| [06:08:16] | litius: | into .conf |
| [06:08:20] | litius: | I understand |
| [06:08:30] | litius: | but why is that a problem? |
| [06:08:41] | wagnerrp: | its not really, just one more thing to do |
| [06:09:00] | nuonguy: | wagnerrp: this one looks unrelated: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5250 |
| [06:09:58] | wagnerrp: | no, different problem |
| [06:10:15] | litius: | I have this small programmable remote: http://www.radioshack.com/sm-flat-2-in-1-dvd- . . . 2049653.html |
| [06:10:36] | nuonguy: | wagnerrp: is this the same issue? http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5070 |
| [06:10:42] | litius: | which is very kuel and easy to use (no learning curve for guest) |
| [06:10:46] | wagnerrp: | do you know what schema versions youre going from/to? |
| [06:11:57] | nuonguy: | yeah; from 1216 to 1222 |
| [06:13:17] | nuonguy: | since that bug talks about going from 1216 to 1217, this wouldbe a different problem, I would guess |
| [06:13:35] | nuonguy: | I don't understand the db/mysql lingo well enough to be confident tho |
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| [06:15:57] | wagnerrp: | my guess is that it needs to remove the previous search, update the table, and add the new search |
| [06:16:34] | wagnerrp: | ive never used searches personally |
| [06:17:09] | wagnerrp: | but FULLTEXT can only be used in combination with CHAR, VARCHAR, and TEXT fields |
| [06:17:12] | nuonguy: | I don't even understand what you mean |
| [06:17:20] | nuonguy: | are you takling abut sql precompiled searches? |
| [06:17:37] | wagnerrp: | something like that |
| [06:17:50] | wagnerrp: | you have to set up the table to be searchable beforehand |
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| [06:22:54] | roz: | I rebooted my system after a power outage, and now mythtv will not record audio. My existing recordings play back just fine. PVR250 tv tuner card |
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| [06:23:33] | wagnerrp: | try rebooting again |
| [06:23:53] | wagnerrp: | you have an mpeg card, so all audio recording is done within the hardware into an mpeg stream |
| [06:23:54] | roz: | hard boot or soft boot? |
| [06:24:03] | wagnerrp: | just reboot the mythtv box |
| [06:24:25] | roz: | right, i.e. power down reboot or just restarting? |
| [06:24:27] | wagnerrp: | either the card is damaged, the cable is loose, or it didnt boot up properly |
| [06:25:12] | wagnerrp: | with a 250, you should get all or nothing |
| [06:25:26] | wagnerrp: | thats not something mythtv would have any effect over |
| [06:26:11] | roz: | right i can understand that |
| [06:26:50] | doje: | roz: if you have a cable or sat set top box, you might power cycle that as well |
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| [06:46:41] | roz: | that fixed it wagnerrp thanks |
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| [08:36:40] | justinh: | Dagmar: the safest option if you use the playlist deletion feature is probably to set myth up to only pretend to delete them – i.e. that form of accelerated autoexpiry ;-) |
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| [08:37:41] | justinh: | I think I was planning a confirmation dialog for the playlist operations stuff. dunno if anybody else's plans coincide with mine though |
| [08:39:02] | justinh: | would tie in with the re-jig of the popup menus I thought about.. I might get around to it one day |
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| [08:53:41] | justinh: | hmmm maybe it's time to make the dvbradioexport script have a poocasting option |
| [08:53:51] | justinh: | should be simple enough |
| [09:12:57] | justinh: | the one on the wiki is orrible & needs java. BLECH |
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| [09:21:09] | rooaus: | poocasting... maybe the project mascot could be a gorilla. |
| [09:21:39] | justinh: | for my *own* *use* I mean |
| [09:22:03] | justinh: | as in, I won't be submitting the amended script |
| [09:22:16] | justinh: | sheesh, I've read the flame-laden thread about BT :P |
| [09:25:09] | rooaus: | Yeah |
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| [09:30:35] | justinh: | "hello, do you not realise mythtv could have taken over the world by now if it had a piratebay.org plugin & integrated torrent client?! YOU MORONS!" |
| [09:34:20] | sid3windr: | IZZIT |
| [09:43:53] | purserj: | which list is this? |
| [09:44:17] | justinh: | mythtv-users, of course |
| [09:44:20] | Dibblah: | Hmmm. Interesting. http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=33802 |
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| [09:45:28] | Dibblah: | (h.264 in glsl) |
| [09:45:44] | Dibblah: | Also, http://www.bitblit.org/gsoc/g3dvl/index.shtml |
| [09:45:48] | Dibblah: | is coming along nicely. |
| [09:47:38] | justinh: | I'll raise an eyebrow or 2 when I see it working in front of me :) |
| [09:49:42] | purserj: | justinh: so many threads any in particular? |
| [09:50:04] | Dibblah: | The bit about the i945 is interesting. GMA950 includes shaders... |
| [09:51:17] | justinh: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/342358 |
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| [10:05:11] | gbee: | tell them to write a BT plugin if they want one, even better write a BT plugin but hardcoded the trackers to legal torrent sites – watch them implode ;) |
| [10:12:56] | justinh: | heheheh |
| [10:19:50] | gbee: | the more I think about it, the more I'm quite serious about giving them a torrent client but limiting it to legal sites, just to prove that all they are really interested in is stolen/pirated content |
| [10:19:55] | EvilGuru: | Dibblah: Are you sure the GMA950 has GLSL |
| [10:21:30] | EvilGuru: | I thought it only had the old GL_ARB rubbish |
| [10:25:47] | purserj: | gbee: actually not a bad idea |
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| [10:32:27] | purserj: | can someone explain to me why people seem to keep conflating bt with podcasting? |
| [10:33:35] | justinh: | ? |
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| [10:35:49] | EvilGuru: | purserj: People are idiots :) |
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| [10:37:00] | purserj: | justinh: I noticed during that thread that people seem to be taking miro and so on as purely bt |
| [10:38:48] | justinh: | I dunno about miro. couldn't care less about it either way – whether it's all about user-generated (i.e SUCKY) content or not |
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| [10:42:23] | justinh: | smells like bollocks though |
| [10:42:57] | justinh: | open media my arse |
| [10:45:07] | purserj: | in what sense? |
| [10:45:38] | justinh: | in the sense that I've yet to see anything user-generated worth wasting my time watching |
| [10:45:52] | purserj: | ah so completely subjective |
| [10:47:56] | justinh: | it's way too idealistic to ever work in any real sense |
| [10:48:15] | fryfrog: | anyone see dr. horrible? |
| [10:48:37] | fryfrog: | awww, free version is done :( |
| [10:51:06] | justinh: | but then, all that is ignoring the fact it has an integrated BT client. Put that in, along with rss feeds with links to tv torrents & it's a lazy pirate's dream come true – which is basically what torrentocracy was if I'm not mistaken |
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| [11:18:58] | sid3windr: | gbee: but it being open source leads to patches to remove that check, doesn't it? :) |
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| [11:22:00] | gbee: | sid3windr: sure and the determined ones will be prepared to build from source and patch it, just like they are free to create their own plugin – at least we can't be held responsible and they can't moan/bitch/call devs rude names because we won't include a legal bit torrent plugin |
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| [11:29:55] | sid3windr: | true |
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| [12:28:42] | justinh: | gbee:btw you've been busy as hell with mythui. billions of lines :D reckon it'd be worth starting maintenance now or just wait & do it all in one go, theme xml-wise ? |
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| [12:34:36] | gbee: | justinh: I'd probably start now, playing catch up could take a while |
| [12:35:03] | justinh: | I had a feeling you owuld say that |
| [12:36:04] | gbee: | once mythvideo etc is merged back into trunk many of the core themes will need updating or deleting – at least in the short term it might be the latter as I don't have time to convert over every single theme myself |
| [12:36:28] | justinh: | I'll lend a hand there, no worries on that score |
| [12:36:51] | gbee: | cheers, I'll take all the help I can get ;) |
| [12:36:52] | justinh: | I might not use any of the core themes anymore but that doesn't mean I want to snuff them out of existence |
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| [12:41:19] | gbee: | inheritance really makes life easier, define a style just once in base.xml for example and you save a ton of copying/pasting |
| [12:41:51] | justinh: | cool :) |
| [12:42:39] | gbee: | converting over does take time unfortunately, so the benefits come when creating a new theme |
| [12:44:01] | justinh: | yeah well my plan is to take the look/feel of glass-wide as it is now on my frontend & port it |
| [12:44:09] | justinh: | just for starters |
| [12:44:12] | gbee: | really enoying the simplifiction though, near 5000 lines of code/xml have been deleted from mythvideo so far and I'm not even finished |
| [12:44:18] | justinh: | wow |
| [12:45:11] | jarle: | justinh: a link to something worth watching using miro: http://meetthegimp.org/ |
| [12:45:12] | gbee: | diffstat figures aren't precise because it counts all deletions, including whitespace/comments, but that's still a fair chunk |
| [12:46:27] | jarle: | justinh: actually, after starting using miro I was amazed to see how much cool stuff is out there (especially in the technology field) |
| [12:46:31] | justinh: | a podcast about the 2nd most difficult to use bitmap editor after MS Paint. :-\ |
| [12:47:03] | gbee: | Inkscape changed my life |
| [12:47:23] | justinh: | if only they'd fix the gaussian blurring |
| [12:47:43] | justinh: | then again, since I last used it, it probably has been fixed :) |
| [12:48:36] | justinh: | gbee: can any of the palettes in inkscape be locked? I hated all the floating stuff |
| [12:49:01] | gbee: | justinh: latest version it's all locked to an area on the RHS of the screen |
| [12:49:07] | justinh: | cool :) |
| [12:49:09] | jarle: | gbee: http://screencasters.heathenx.org/ |
| [12:49:37] | gbee: | it's not perfect but at least you don't have to keep moving windows out of the way and losing them behind each other |
| [12:50:31] | justinh: | I kept dropping tools onto my 2nd desktop, then opening the program again at a later date& become annoyed that the tool was on the (unpowered) monitor |
| [12:52:40] | justinh: | come to think of it, glass-wide is completely inkscaped IIRC |
| [12:53:28] | justinh: | started it as an experiment in doing a theme with OSS tools |
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| [12:53:31] | gbee: | the way it is in this latest version I tend to stretch the window across both screen so that the tool area is on the second monitor |
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| [12:54:33] | jarle: | gbee & justinh: you guys using kde? |
| [12:54:43] | gbee: | doesn't quite work because the screens are different ratios, and one is free of desktop toolbars so I lose the top/bottom of the window on the second screen |
| [12:54:48] | justinh: | linux? on my desktop? NEVAH! |
| [12:54:48] | gbee: | I am |
| [12:56:05] | justinh: | the nearest to running linux on my home machines I ever get is running putty for ssh & freenx |
| [12:56:48] | jarle: | gbee: I'm thinking about getting myself a second monitor to use a dual-head setup, wondering how that would work in connection with KDE's virtual desktops? Today I use 6 virtual desktops. |
| [12:57:29] | justinh: | I gave up trying to get ubuntu to treat my 22" DVI connected panel as the primary monitor |
| [12:57:36] | gbee: | justinh: http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/inkscape_0.46.png |
| [12:57:53] | jarle: | gbee: How do I configure which virtual desktop is "linked" to which physical monitor? |
| [12:58:39] | justinh: | gbee: nift :) |
| [12:59:26] | clever: | jarle: the kde config is pretty much as simple as the winblows one i think |
| [12:59:35] | clever: | last time i saw it |
| [13:00:11] | gbee: | jarle: I've always wondered if I could use virtual desktops with multiple monitors, but I've never found a way – instead I've got a dual X screen desktop with xinerama (i.e. two desktops where you can move windows/mouse between the two instead of a single desktop stretched over two screens) |
| [13:00:37] | clever: | xinerama will merge all the screens into a single :0 and most programs wont even know its multi screen |
| [13:00:53] | clever: | i just shut that off so i can simply max a window on a single screen |
| [13:01:05] | clever: | only downside is that i cant move things between screens |
| [13:01:17] | clever: | but anything i run on the tv needs a bigger font size anyway |
| [13:02:16] | gbee: | there are several different types of setup, but the one I'm using is best IMHO, KDE sees two screens and allows you to configure different backgrounds, toolbars for each etc |
| [13:02:24] | justinh: | tell that to the vista MCE developers :P |
| [13:02:39] | clever: | gbee: i was running kdm behind mythtv for the longest while |
| [13:02:52] | clever: | but ive just now uninstalled that and now im running just a bare X |
| [13:02:57] | clever: | i rarely use the kde anyway |
| [13:04:45] | jarle: | gbee: but then you are able to set one screen as the active, and the bring one of you virtual screens up on that screen? |
| [13:05:14] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/kde_multiscreen.png |
| [13:06:12] | gbee: | jarle: you'd think so and it may be possible, but I didn't spend much time figuring it out – right now if I change virtual desktops both screens change |
| [13:06:34] | clever: | but you can set some programs to be visible on every virtual desktop |
| [13:07:09] | jarle: | gbee: oki, I'll do some more research in #kde to see if this is possible |
| [13:07:37] | ** jarle has just updated to KDE 4.1rc and it seems very promising.... ** | |
| [13:11:08] | mzb_d800: | jarle: not sure about kde, but I'd imagine the workspace over a twinview desktop would be much the same as in gnome. |
| [13:11:14] | mzb_d800: | old example: http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/wp-g . . . Id=2573& |
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| [13:11:51] | mzb_d800: | (kde doesn't float my boat;) |
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| [13:13:43] | mzb_d800: | that screen shot was using pure nvidia twinview ... no xinerama involved |
| [13:14:39] | jarle: | mzb_d800: did you have more than two desktops then? |
| [13:15:15] | mzb_d800: | look at the bottom right of the left screen |
| [13:15:19] | mzb_d800: | 4 workspaces |
| [13:15:33] | mzb_d800: | each workspace spread over two monitors |
| [13:16:15] | mzb_d800: | at that stage I *think* the LHS was 1280x1024 19", and the RHS was 1024x768 20" |
| [13:16:26] | mzb_d800: | I've improved a little from that now ;) |
| [13:16:34] | mzb_d800: | (but no pics to prove it:) |
| [13:17:08] | mzb_d800: | it's the simplest, fastest and easiest way afaiac |
| [13:17:52] | mzb_d800: | also easier for upgrades, quick switches (for special apps), and so on |
| [13:17:56] | mzb_d800: | ymmv |
| [13:18:18] | gbee: | more crowded than I like my desktop :) |
| [13:18:58] | mzb_d800: | err... actually ... I think that was 5 workspaces |
| [13:19:02] | justinh: | no linux DE floats my boat – infact come to think about it, no DE I've ever used floats my boat |
| [13:19:34] | mzb_d800: | gbee: the gkrellms were only visible on workspace 1 |
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| [13:20:38] | mzb_d800: | heh ... just noticed the date on the shot .. hmm |
| [13:21:06] | elkin: | hi, does someone know if autoexpire in the recorded table can have a value greater than 1? |
| [13:21:14] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/imagebin/desktop.png |
| [13:21:37] | rooaus: | elkin: Yes it can, but be careful messing with it. |
| [13:21:39] | mzb_d800: | elkin: I've seen 10000, but I don't understand the significance (yet) |
| [13:22:18] | justinh: | only mugs mess directly with the database |
| [13:22:47] | gbee: | livetv recordings are given an extremely high value so they expire before anything else |
| [13:22:55] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [13:23:00] | elkin: | mzb_d800: exactly... a lot (all?) of the livetv have that |
| [13:23:08] | mzb_d800: | ^ |
| [13:23:31] | justinh: | but still, only mugs mess with the database directly |
| [13:23:39] | elkin: | gbee: how do I trigger that all livetv get dumped without waiting for the HD to fill up |
| [13:23:54] | mzb_d800: | well that's answers a question I asked yesterday :) |
| [13:23:59] | justinh: | patch it? |
| [13:24:13] | rooaus: | From memory, the 100000 is for livetv and 99999 is for recordings moved to the deleted group, if that functionality is enabled. |
| [13:24:14] | justinh: | it's 24 hours or when the free space threshold is reached |
| [13:24:47] | justinh: | if I was a livetv user I'd have liked to be able to choose the expiry time in hours, not days |
| [13:25:21] | gbee: | you either delete them manually, or wait for it to need the space – mythtv isn't designed to share a partition with other applications, it's assumed that letting it fill to the maximum is what you want |
| [13:25:29] | elkin: | justinh: I have liveTV recording from 2006 sitting on the harddrive |
| [13:25:39] | justinh: | whoah |
| [13:25:53] | justinh: | it should happen after 24 hours regardless |
| [13:25:54] | mzb_d800: | I found strange effects (in logic?) when using autoexpire on drives of (significantly) different size |
| [13:26:08] | justinh: | unless you've marked it to be kept |
| [13:26:13] | gbee: | just delete it from the watch or delete recordings screen |
| [13:26:18] | gbee: | or mythweb |
| [13:26:50] | gbee: | justinh: not sure that's true, short <5 minute recordings yes, longer recordings are kept until space is needed |
| [13:26:53] | elkin: | gbee: 178 liveTV files |
| [13:27:13] | justinh: | eew |
| [13:27:18] | EvilGuru: | gbee: I have always found live tv to die after 24 hours |
| [13:27:34] | justinh: | just do away with livetv :D |
| [13:27:43] | justinh: | encourage good viewing habits :) |
| [13:28:06] | gbee: | could be wrong, I rarely use livetv so I can't say I've noticed the normal behaviour |
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| [13:28:23] | elkin: | justinh: ahh, thats easy if you have the pants on in your household |
| [13:28:25] | justinh: | livetv is only really any use for testing tuners IMHO |
| [13:28:39] | justinh: | we still watch 'live' tv just not in mythtv |
| [13:28:40] | gbee: | older livetv recordings may not be subject to changes made in 0.20 or 0.21 though, so you might have some very old ones around |
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| [13:28:53] | elkin: | justinh: well I watch live Formula 1 and Soccer |
| [13:29:16] | elkin: | gbee: newest livetv is july 14th 2008 |
| [13:29:33] | justinh: | if I was a regular 'live' tv user I'd find myself patching it to try & make it not-so-sucky |
| [13:29:49] | clever: | mine constantly times out when changing the channel |
| [13:29:54] | elkin: | justinh: ohh... I love to watch it 5–10 minutes behind to skip advertisement etc |
| [13:29:56] | clever: | including the initial channel change to start |
| [13:30:00] | justinh: | I can't fathom how so many people to put up with it |
| [13:30:16] | clever: | elkin: yeah but to get that you need to pause it for 5–10mins and leave the room:P |
| [13:30:32] | justinh: | but, if it sucks, it's a great encouragement to use mythtv _properly_ |
| [13:30:35] | clever: | the hard part is finding time to not watch tv so you can watch tv |
| [13:30:37] | moodboom: | i'm with elkin, i can't tolerate commercials |
| [13:30:50] | elkin: | clever: yes... that right |
| [13:30:53] | justinh: | I can't tolerate the drivel most commercial channels show :) |
| [13:30:57] | moodboom: | hehehe |
| [13:31:01] | moodboom: | true dat |
| [13:31:04] | mzb_d800: | I find it just as easy to schedule it to record, and then watch the recording |
| [13:31:08] | clever: | i just watch stuff an hour late after it recorded on its own |
| [13:31:11] | clever: | then i can commskip with 1 button most of the way |
| [13:31:18] | mzb_d800: | (livetv doesn't work that well for me either) |
| [13:31:25] | clever: | mzb_d800: same |
| [13:31:26] | justinh: | my most recorded channels (neglectling the dirge my wife watches) are BBC |
| [13:31:55] | mzb_d800: | but then, I'm happy to start 10 mins after recording starts ... manually skip ads |
| [13:32:10] | clever: | mzb_d800: yeah that works |
| [13:32:18] | clever: | and you dont HAVE to be there when it starts like you would thru livetv |
| [13:32:29] | clever: | and it wont record 10mins into the next show which you dont want |
| [13:32:29] | mzb_d800: | (actually I start whenever I feel like it :)) ... mythtv has changed my life! ;) |
| [13:32:38] | mzb_d800: | err |
| [13:32:50] | clever: | if your watching 'live tv' 10mins late |
| [13:32:55] | clever: | by the time you reach the end of your show |
| [13:33:04] | clever: | it recorded 10mins into the next one you dont need |
| [13:33:12] | mzb_d800: | I've got massive overlap, 5x records per tuner, and (down to) 3 tuners |
| [13:33:13] | clever: | posibly messing with other stuff thats scheduled |
| [13:33:14] | justinh: | sometimes I miss stuff when I didn't know it was on, but then I catch up using other means like Virgin Media's on-demand |
| [13:33:23] | mzb_d800: | (got sick of the USB ones) |
| [13:33:39] | clever: | i have 2 tuners but can only use 1 at once |
| [13:33:45] | justinh: | whatever happened to the Freeview Playback feature with trailer flagging? |
| [13:33:47] | elkin: | I just checked of all 178 recordings the largest is 28 mb, thats not worth deleting by hand... I will just leave them |
| [13:33:52] | clever: | the drivers for the pvr150 and framegrabber conflict with eachother |
| [13:33:57] | mzb_d800: | clever: multirec is in main now, right? ;) |
| [13:34:18] | justinh: | clever: easy fix – don't install the ivtv tuner.ko |
| [13:34:32] | clever: | justinh: its the teevee.ko thats conflicting |
| [13:34:54] | clever: | i could probly just compile both sets of drivers at once from the same kernel source(wherever the ivtv ones came from) |
| [13:34:55] | justinh: | teevee.ko ? don't remember that one |
| [13:34:59] | mzb_d800: | elkin: mb? |
| [13:35:04] | clever: | mzb_d800: MythTV Version : 17738M |
| [13:35:53] | mzb_d800: | MythTV Version : 17132 |
| [13:36:01] | clever: | ./kernel/drivers/media/video/tveeprom.ko |
| [13:36:03] | elkin: | mbz_d800: yes only megabyte |
| [13:36:07] | clever: | maybe it was that one |
| [13:36:34] | mzb_d800: | so you should be able to overlap them, shouldn't you? (or is this just some cleverness(heh) involved with dvb transports?) |
| [13:36:39] | clever: | wtf |
| [13:36:46] | justinh: | oh yeah there was tveeprom.ko & tuner.ko which caused problems between ivtv & my dvb tuners |
| [13:37:05] | rooaus: | elkin: Deleting by hand? Does does the backend not know about them? <2M recordings should get removed every pass in the houskeeper thread IIRC. |
| [13:37:26] | clever: | it probes just fine now |
| [13:37:27] | clever: | mzb_d800: both cards are analog:P |
| [13:37:30] | mzb_d800: | clever: I have most of my recordings starting 10 mins early, and finishing (at least) 20 mins late. |
| [13:37:33] | clever: | and oddly i can load the bttv.ko driver without a problem |
| [13:37:34] | mzb_d800: | ah |
| [13:37:46] | clever: | mzb_d800: mine are starting/ending 2mins early/late |
| [13:38:11] | clever: | but another major thing id want |
| [13:38:17] | clever: | overlaping on the SAME CHANNEL on analog cards |
| [13:38:20] | justinh: | mzb_d800: you crazy aussies & your 'whenever' scheduling :) |
| [13:38:32] | PatrickDK: | heh, I don't do any of that earily/late recording stuff, never had much of an issue |
| [13:38:34] | clever: | if im recording 10mins late and early on a back2back set of shows(same channel) |
| [13:38:40] | justinh: | and FWIW I don't think multirec ever improved life for pvr card users |
| [13:38:45] | clever: | it should easily just split the recorder to 2 files at once |
| [13:38:46] | mzb_d800: | justinh: not my fault ... and I prefer to be known as a Tasmanian, thanks :) |
| [13:38:49] | PatrickDK: | except when there is some presidential press release that screws up the timing |
| [13:39:04] | mzb_d800: | (Australian's a just "Northerners" to me;) |
| [13:39:12] | mzb_d800: | s/are/ |
| [13:39:14] | justinh: | mzb_d800: heh. your T Vguides might as well just say "Next week" for all it's worth |
| [13:39:27] | mzb_d800: | "some time today" |
| [13:39:29] | mzb_d800: | :) |
| [13:39:40] | justinh: | how does everybody put up with that? |
| [13:39:47] | rooaus: | justinh: They really f***ed up the other day, one show I recorded started on time. I literally can't remember the last thing I *recorded* that started on time. |
| [13:39:49] | mzb_d800: | live with it |
| [13:40:02] | justinh: | 5 or 10 mins either way every now & again sure but never so much, so consistently |
| [13:40:05] | mzb_d800: | rooaus: got proof? ;) |
| [13:40:35] | ** PatrickDK imports ntp to tasmania ** | |
| [13:40:50] | justinh: | if they do't get their act together, the PVR manufacturers will all end up out of business |
| [13:41:07] | rooaus: | justinh: One of the networks has launched tivo, so it will be interesting to see how the masses respond to missing the ends/starts of shows etc. |
| [13:41:09] | mzb_d800: | it is consistent ... the stations that work harder (*cough*) run late ... and it gets worse during the day ... sometime to the point where they drop a show |
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| [13:41:30] | mzb_d800: | (eg. "Burn Notice" tonight ... thanks to "Big Brother" of all things0 |
| [13:41:31] | justinh: | do they show a lot of live shows? |
| [13:41:36] | mzb_d800: | ^ |
| [13:42:08] | gbee: | I'd guess that 97.5% of stuff starts within 30 seconds of it's listed start time over here |
| [13:42:17] | justinh: | gbee: easily |
| [13:42:20] | mzb_d800: | but if all goes well BB will be scrapped by next year |
| [13:42:41] | justinh: | and ad breaks are either 3 or 4 mins long, generally :) |
| [13:43:04] | Dabian: | I have a strange problem ... I can't update using mythfilldatabase .. and mythtv cannot change channel anymore, apparently, so all recordings fail. |
| [13:43:05] | gbee: | sports and other live events over-running, major news stories etc are pretty much the only thing that changes things |
| [13:43:23] | mzb_d800: | I can almost guarantee that a show scheduled for an 8:30pm start will actually start about 8:38pm (but add 6 mins on a bad day) |
| [13:43:23] | justinh: | unless it's overnight on Dave where the breaks are < 1 minute |
| [13:43:29] | Dabian: | I got the PVR500 and Ubuntu |
| [13:43:57] | gbee: | Dabian: sounds like a broken database, run myth.optimizedb.pl or whatever it's called |
| [13:45:01] | Dabian: | gbee: Cool .. where do I find the correct name? |
| [13:45:30] | mzb_d800: | locate optim | grep pl$ |
| [13:45:30] | mzb_d800: | ? |
| [13:45:40] | gbee: | no idea what ubuntu calls it, or even whether it includes it in the packages, you'd have to ask an ubuntu user |
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| [13:46:00] | Dabian: | mzb: Will try, thanks. |
| [13:46:02] | gbee: | it's just a script which attempts to repair and optimise the database |
| [13:46:07] | justinh: | or better yet, #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [13:46:20] | gbee: | you can do it manually, but the script saves you a lot of hassle |
| [13:46:51] | Dabian: | I do think the database might be broken .. I bought an extra harddisk, and moved my mythstuff to it .. then it broke down, and I started using the old harddisk again. |
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| [13:47:24] | Dabian: | /etc/cron.daily/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [13:47:35] | Dabian: | I guess its run daily? |
| [13:47:39] | Dabian: | anyhow .. the script is here: |
| [13:47:45] | Dabian: | /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [13:47:47] | rooaus: | You can kick of some db maintenance from mythweb as well. |
| [13:47:49] | Dabian: | Thanks mzb_d800 |
| [13:48:09] | PatrickDK: | are we sure that actually does a repair? and not just optimize? |
| [13:49:04] | Dabian: | I guess its worth a try .. how do I run it? perl <pathname> |
| [13:49:05] | justinh: | try mysqlcheck -u mythtv -p$thepassword mythconverg |
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| [13:49:23] | justinh: | where $thepassword is the password for the mythconverg database for the mythtv *mysql* user |
| [13:49:43] | Dabian: | They're all ok |
| [13:49:45] | Dabian: | justin |
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| [13:50:13] | Dabian: | It displays all the tables, with an "OK" |
| [13:50:27] | justinh: | so it's not that then |
| [13:51:09] | Dabian: | Well, its not the database itself .. I checked that already... but I guess that doesn't warrent that the data is actually coherent ... |
| [13:52:08] | rooaus: | night all |
| [13:52:08] | Dabian: | Even if the tables are ok .. they might still contain garbage :/ |
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| [13:52:39] | Dabian: | Could I have blown the config? I tend to fiddle with stuff all the time :/ |
| [13:53:30] | Dabian: | Since I got my remote working, only using the UI though. |
| [13:53:55] | Dabian: | Can I run myth with some debug parameters to see what goes wrong? |
| [13:55:40] | Dibblah: | -v most |
| [13:55:43] | mzb_d800: | there's a place in the uI where you can enter options for mythfilldatabase |
| [13:56:05] | mzb_d800: | (and|or you can run it manually) |
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| [13:57:49] | Dabian: | I usually run it manually, since the automatic run never worked for me. :) |
| [13:58:05] | mzb_d800: | I recently had a look at enabling EIT, but wasn't overly impressed. |
| [13:58:09] | mzb_d800: | Now I'm getting mythfilldatabase errors: http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7511/ |
| [13:58:51] | stuarta: | you aren't trying to use both eit & mfdb for the same channels are you? |
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| [13:59:16] | mzb_d800: | I was for a few days |
| [13:59:35] | mzb_d800: | s/mfdb/grabber |
| [13:59:44] | stuarta: | you'll need to clear out your program data and refill it |
| [13:59:51] | mzb_d800: | grr |
| [14:00:00] | mzb_d800: | dump the table? |
| [14:00:01] | Dabian: | What is eit and mfdb? |
| [14:00:12] | stuarta: | just truncate it |
| [14:00:18] | stuarta: | and eit_cache |
| [14:00:33] | stuarta: | the eit will do it's channels, and mfdb will do it's channels |
| [14:00:57] | Dabian: | eit requires DVB though, right? |
| [14:01:07] | mzb_d800: | truncate program and eit_cache? |
| [14:01:24] | stuarta: | Dabian: yes |
| [14:01:30] | mzb_d800: | how about just truncate eit_cache? |
| [14:01:52] | Dabian: | stuarta: DVB is not available at my location .. how do I turn it off? |
| [14:02:21] | mzb_d800: | hmm ... truncate ... any way of doing that with phpmyadmin? |
| [14:02:45] | stuarta: | mzb_d800: well you need to stop mfdb having duplicate entries |
| [14:02:56] | stuarta: | looking at your pastebin it's actually in programrating |
| [14:03:10] | mzb_d800: | noticed that |
| [14:03:12] | stuarta: | so clearing things won't help much |
| [14:03:39] | stuarta: | afaik, eit doesn't use programrating |
| [14:03:58] | mzb_d800: | so how does truncating those two tables help? |
| [14:03:59] | clever: | mzb_d800: that would be the trash can(empty) |
| [14:04:09] | stuarta: | Dabian: how do you turn off something that isn't on? |
| [14:04:19] | stuarta: | mzb_d800: my bad, it won't |
| [14:04:34] | stuarta: | :-O |
| [14:04:39] | Dabian: | In other words .. mysql -uroot -p$pw drop database mythconverg;create database mythconverg; |
| [14:04:41] | mzb_d800: | hmm |
| [14:04:42] | Dabian: | right? |
| [14:04:54] | mzb_d800: | no thanks |
| [14:04:56] | stuarta: | Dabian: no why |
| [14:05:06] | Dabian: | What other option do I have? |
| [14:05:26] | mzb_d800: | the advice you've already been given about -v most |
| [14:05:37] | mzb_d800: | play with that and come back later ;P |
| [14:05:44] | stuarta: | Dabian: i haven't been answering your problem, only your query about eit being on dvb |
| [14:05:49] | Dabian: | OK |
| [14:06:07] | stuarta: | using instructions for mzb_d800 won't get you far |
| [14:06:08] | Dabian: | mzb: All that tells me, is that the problem seems to be on the backend. |
| [14:06:17] | Dabian: | stuarta: right, sorry. |
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| [14:08:37] | mzb_d800: | I can appreciate I've fiddled with things by enabling EIT and then turning it off ... but surely mythfilldatabase should be fast enough not to try adding a programrating that already exists! |
| [14:09:07] | mzb_d800: | mind you ... I'm not convinced that was the error that cause it to fail previously ... iirc it was error 512 |
| [14:09:19] | sebrock: | what is the correct way to shutdown mythfrontend from an ouside script? |
| [14:09:59] | sebrock: | Im guessing kill mythfrontend is not so nice |
| [14:10:15] | stuarta: | nothing wrong with kill |
| [14:11:06] | stuarta: | wont necessarily exit anything being watched, though you can try and see :) |
| [14:11:34] | sebrock: | I mean more like, is there no telling the backend that the frontend is signing off? |
| [14:11:52] | mzb_d800: | I've experienced occasional errors at the BE if I kill an FE (which affects the other FEs) |
| [14:12:06] | stuarta: | not that i know of |
| [14:12:17] | sebrock: | Im basically looking for what the shutdown button does |
| [14:12:19] | stuarta: | perhaps something that could be implemented |
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| [14:15:53] | Dabian: | I give up for now, I have to leave for work before too long. :/ |
| [14:16:24] | Dabian: | I'll be back another time. :) |
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| [14:27:18] | justinh: | uhoh – ofcom ready to reduce ITV public service demands.. shit that'll mean the bar being lowered even more & I didn't think it could be! |
| [14:27:40] | ** stuarta chuckles ** | |
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| [15:24:10] | joomla_user: | morning |
| [15:25:04] | joomla_user: | damn Mondays |
| [15:25:58] | justinh: | yup. boring as hell |
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| [15:29:46] | ** stuarta quacks to see if that helps ** | |
| [15:30:17] | ** EvilGuru did not know ITV had any public service requirements ** | |
| [15:30:30] | stuarta: | they certainly don't show any sign of it |
| [15:31:01] | EvilGuru: | 99% of their programming is utter rubbish |
| [15:31:04] | justinh: | local programming |
| [15:31:08] | justinh: | local news |
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| [15:31:32] | stuarta: | well the local stuff is pointless |
| [15:31:42] | justinh: | I think the requirements are mostly being dropped so they can't be found in breach of conditions ;-) |
| [15:32:19] | justinh: | personally I think there's a place for spotlight shows about lesbian goat-hearding skateboarders & the like |
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| [15:32:40] | justinh: | oh wait, they're catered for by the Community Channel |
| [15:32:48] | stuarta: | that would be content |
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| [15:43:11] | ** justinh realises it's his turn to pick a film to see this time. yay! ** | |
| [15:43:25] | stuarta: | kung fu panda! |
| [15:43:30] | justinh: | bwahahahaha |
| [15:43:34] | justinh: | over my dead body |
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| [15:44:53] | justinh: | put it this way, it's not gonna be Mamma Mia :) |
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| [15:45:17] | PatrickDK: | you just want to scare the kids |
| [15:45:39] | justinh: | what kids? |
| [15:46:28] | justinh: | no kid with a brain would *want* to see kung-fu panda ... |
| [15:46:55] | PatrickDK: | mine watched titanic straight though last nite and she is only 3years old |
| [15:47:05] | justinh: | gawd help you |
| [15:47:16] | stuarta: | i wanna see kung fu panda |
| [15:49:28] | justinh: | not the kind of film I'd pay money to see, nor one where I'm required to sit in an uncomfortable chair for 2 hours |
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| [15:53:21] | justinh: | still, I bet it's no er.. whatever the hell that Gladiator spoof was called :) |
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| [16:01:57] | iamlindoro_: | Glad-he-ate-her? |
| [16:02:18] | iamlindoro_: | Oh wait, that's in my "other" folder in MythVideo |
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| [16:02:57] | armbar: | anyone tell me what may be wrong with my new install for mythtv .21? I can't log into the DB with user mythtv even after flushing the privliges to the DB as root. |
| [16:04:47] | gbee: | local login, or remote? |
| [16:05:08] | armbar: | I have set the password to mythtv in mysql.txt but still nothing |
| [16:05:53] | gbee: | and double check the user table to see that the mythtv user exists and has access for that host name, plus comment SkipNetworking in my.cnf |
| [16:06:18] | armbar: | I can login as mysql -uroot -hlocalhost but not mysql -umythtv -hlocalhost |
| [16:06:38] | squish102: | if i have multiple tuner cards with /dev/video1 2 3 etc, after a reboot they get assigned differently.. is that a distro problem (ubuntu) or an OS problem? |
| [16:07:14] | iamlindoro_: | It's a "you haven't read about udev or blacklisting or using the video_nr module options" problem :) |
| [16:07:30] | iamlindoro_: | Any of which will allow you to assign the video numbers |
| [16:07:44] | iamlindoro_: | I would use the video_nr module option, myself |
| [16:07:46] | armbar: | gbee: where is the user table? in the myth BD? |
| [16:07:51] | squish102: | looking a udev looked way too complex |
| [16:08:04] | squish102: | maybe i will try blacklisting |
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| [16:08:41] | squish102: | so it is a core linux issue and not a distro issue? |
| [16:08:41] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: You can do as you like, or just add video_nr=1 for the one you want to be video1, video_nr=2 for the one you want to be video2, etc. in the module options |
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| [16:08:52] | iamlindoro_: | squish102: Depending on who you ask, it's not an issue at all |
| [16:08:59] | iamlindoro_: | but not related to distro, no |
| [16:09:05] | squish102: | thanks |
| [16:10:21] | armbar: | gbee: I have done this but it changed nothing. grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv"; |
| [16:10:41] | stuarta: | armbar: is the database on the local machine or a different one |
| [16:10:53] | armbar: | local |
| [16:11:05] | stuarta: | you've allowed access for !local |
| [16:11:17] | stuarta: | which means local has no access |
| [16:11:24] | armbar: | hmm, I am X-11 forwarding the mythtv-set screen now though |
| [16:11:30] | stuarta: | grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@localhost identified by "mythtv"; |
| [16:11:31] | armbar: | is that the issue |
| [16:12:11] | stuarta: | fix your grant |
| [16:12:22] | armbar: | ok |
| [16:14:00] | armbar: | that did it stuarta. |
| [16:14:04] | armbar: | Thanks guys |
| [16:15:48] | iamlindoro_: | Arrrghhhhh when will the "Myth + BT" insanity END? |
| [16:16:13] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: As soon as you want it to. |
| [16:16:38] | Dibblah: | You don't actually *have* to read everything on a mailing list, you know ;) |
| [16:16:46] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: They have long prison sentences for my solution to these things ;) |
| [16:16:47] | ** stuarta suspects this is a thread on -users ** | |
| [16:17:28] | iamlindoro_: | stuarta: Yes, it's become the perfect storm of "But I wants my warez nowwwwwwwww" and "Mythbackend leaks memory and I won't run valgrind boohooooooo!" |
| [16:17:40] | Dibblah: | stuarta: You win... A surprise weekend reading mythtv-users!!! |
| [16:17:52] | stuarta: | that's what i was about to do! go valgrinding for fun |
| [16:18:06] | ** stuarta does subscribe to -users on purpose ** | |
| [16:18:11] | stuarta: | doesn't |
| [16:18:18] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [16:18:36] | stuarta: | i'll bet playback goes to shit when i start valgrinding |
| [16:19:55] | gbee: | yeah, mythtv is rubbish, you can't valgrind and watch TV :p |
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| [16:20:06] | stuarta: | !trout gbee |
| [16:20:06] | ** MythLogBot slaps gbee with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [16:20:33] | iamlindoro_: | especially amusing is "my backend setup can't be THAT usual, I just run DVB-T recording three channels 24/7 on a VIA processor." |
| [16:20:38] | iamlindoro_: | er unusual |
| [16:20:55] | stuarta: | oh, that sounds like a good one |
| [16:21:03] | stuarta: | cluebat++ |
| [16:24:04] | BULLE: | iamlindoro_: myth + BT ? |
| [16:24:08] | BULLE: | oh, BitTorrent ? |
| [16:24:13] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
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| [16:24:31] | BULLE: | the w4rez peeps want built in bittorrent client or what ? |
| [16:24:31] | stuarta: | here's me thinking the phone company |
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| [16:24:49] | ivor: | ah and I've simply had to go and take a look at -users now. thanks. :) |
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| [16:25:33] | BULLE: | ivor: i feel tempted aswell |
| [16:25:39] | ivor: | don't. |
| [16:25:42] | ivor: | you'll regret it. |
| [16:26:38] | stuarta: | there's a surprise. i can valgrind the frontend and watch recordings with timestretch :) |
| [16:26:43] | BULLE: | well, if the puppies cant configure their bittorent client to download in a dir mythvide or whatever is configured to read from, i dont think they should be allowed to use their computer |
| [16:26:44] | gbee: | BULLE exactly that, though they aren't saying they want to do illegal stuff – they want bittorrent to download the 0.01% of legal videos ;) |
| [16:27:04] | stuarta: | make em jump through hoops |
| [16:27:08] | gbee: | *cough* bullshit *cough* |
| [16:27:28] | BULLE: | gbee: well, there are some legal bittorrent stuff around, but if they want it badly, its just to write a plugin that does what they want |
| [16:28:10] | gbee: | my suggestion is to give them a bittorrent client which is hardcoded to only use a list of legal bittorrent sites :p |
| [16:28:18] | ivor: | :) nice. |
| [16:28:28] | stuarta: | my suggestion is to ignore the lot of them |
| [16:28:38] | iamlindoro_: | ^^^ YAy |
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| [16:34:17] | wagnerrp: | i need bittorrent to download my CSPAN!!! |
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| [16:38:36] | wagnerrp: | actually, would it even be legal to download CSPAN? |
| [16:39:10] | wagnerrp: | same with downloading NASATV |
| [16:39:16] | i_is_cat: | anyone know how to get firewire working for a dct6000? |
| [16:39:25] | i_is_cat: | using slackware 12.1 with mythtv |
| [16:39:37] | wagnerrp: | its a government stream, is it copyrighted? |
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| [16:45:08] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: of course it is |
| [16:45:17] | sid3windr: | (copyrighted) |
| [16:45:29] | sid3windr: | and if you aren't allowed to download it, what would be the use of a stream? :) |
| [16:46:02] | wagnerrp: | well even the original broadcast is still a 'stream' |
| [16:46:09] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have to be over the internet |
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| [16:59:40] | nuonguy: | http://pastebin.ca/1078139 |
| [16:59:48] | nuonguy: | Column 'channum' cannot be part of FULLTEXT index |
| [17:00:06] | nuonguy: | I get that when trying to upgrade my database from .21-fixes to trunk |
| [17:00:28] | nuonguy: | I tried to file a ticket by my submission was rejected because it looks like spam, apparantly |
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| [17:51:18] | gbee: | nuonguy: what version of mysql? Is this an unmodified database (you haven't made _any_ changes?) |
| [17:58:52] | gbee: | !trout justinh |
| [17:58:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps justinh with a trout on behalf of gbee... ** | |
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| [18:06:48] | justinh: | what have I done (or not done) now? |
| [18:10:32] | kormoc: | you haven't dressed like a rabbit and eaten a carrot in front of your webcam |
| [18:10:42] | kormoc: | but I doubt that's why you got trouted |
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| [18:16:29] | andreax: | Someone using the msi digivox mini 2 (v3.0) dvb-t stick ? |
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| [18:20:10] | nuonguy: | gbee: what do you mean by any changes? |
| [18:20:29] | nuonguy: | gbee: I'm a db noob so I don't know how to go in there and make changes to the tables |
| [18:21:19] | gbee: | justinh: oh sorry, just picked on someone to check that I hadn't been booted from IRC by my router again :) |
| [18:23:12] | gbee: | nuonguy: hundreds, if not thousands of people have made that upgrade without problems – unless they've done something like change the database charset or apply unofficial patches |
| [18:23:24] | nuonguy: | gbee: definitely not |
| [18:23:44] | nuonguy: | upgrade from 1216 to 1222? |
| [18:23:45] | gbee: | the other potential problem is that you are running an old and unsupported version of mysql ... or a very new version |
| [18:24:11] | nuonguy: | 5.0.45 |
| [18:25:06] | gbee: | hmm, running 5.0.51a so that's not the issue |
| [18:25:08] | ** gbee shrugs ** | |
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| [18:37:57] | justinh: | gbee: no problem |
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| [18:38:45] | toad_: | what's up with multirec and Watch TV ? I have 2 tuners, one was completely idle, but it would only show me the channels from a single mux. is there a key to switch muxes? |
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| [18:44:09] | justinh: | there's a key to switch inputs |
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| [18:52:33] | Varak_: | anyone here ever got gmailfs raided to upload myth movies for longterm stroage? |
| [18:53:38] | fcher: | using 0.21 from debian-multimedia. and I don't have menus any more. Don't know the reason, might have something to do with that I removed some unused (reported by deborphan) packages earlier. Anyway, how can I find the reason? |
| [18:53:39] | justinh: | jees talk about flakey |
| [18:53:57] | justinh: | fcher: msttcorefonts installed? |
| [18:54:53] | fcher: | justinh: I have to check. I can't find anything wrong in the logs. And the menus are there, but they just don't show. Just the background colour... |
| [18:55:28] | justinh: | either that or you've broken open gl & you're using the gl theme painter |
| [18:56:11] | fcher: | ok, have to check that too :) |
| [18:56:51] | ** dustybin sings "Keep on rockin' in the free world" ** | |
| [18:56:55] | Varak_: | ! |
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| [18:57:23] | justinh: | EFFing hippies |
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| [18:57:43] | gbee: | :D |
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| [18:58:44] | dustybin: | i had a lot of fantasies today about lian li cases whilst i was at work |
| [18:59:41] | iamlindoro__: | You are a seriously broken human being |
| [18:59:43] | justinh: | not the new lass in purchasing? see a doctor soon |
| [19:00:25] | iamlindoro__: | damn that aspergers |
| [19:00:29] | damian666: | has anyone experience with h.264 hd material, if i watch live-tv its choppy signal is 720p cpu intel quad 2.4ghz, grafic card g8800, tried all non gl drivers (somehow i did not get opengl driver working). is there a magic setting :) ? |
| [19:00:51] | dustybin: | this brand new yet to be released lian li cases would make superb mythtv HD frontends |
| [19:00:54] | justinh: | nvidia binary drivers, or nvidia binary drivers? |
| [19:00:54] | dustybin: | http://www.lian-li.com/v2/en/product/product0 . . . x=64&g=q |
| [19:01:11] | justinh: | dustybin: awww given up on the roku box already? :-O |
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| [19:01:27] | dustybin: | justinh: nope of course not, but this is just incase |
| [19:01:33] | PatrickDK: | damian, the quad will only help if the h264 was compressed with multi-cpu friendly |
| [19:01:35] | high-rez: | Which one of you was using the HD capture device? |
| [19:01:47] | iamlindoro__: | Since I notice you are from .ch, I hear that your h.264 HD channel is as difficult to play as BBC-Hd... in which case you make need to patch myth with the skiploopfilter patch |
| [19:01:53] | fcher: | justinh: It seems I had removed msttcorefonts. I reinstalled those. Did not help... Xorg log shows that GLX module fails to initialize. Might that be the culprit? |
| [19:01:59] | iamlindoro__: | s/make/may/ |
| [19:02:03] | justinh: | fcher: maybe |
| [19:02:25] | justinh: | fcher: try launching mythfrontend with the -O ThemePainter=qt option |
| [19:02:28] | damian666: | PatrickDK: i know actually only one cpu will be used. unfortunately |
| [19:02:42] | dustybin: | iamlindoro__: what do you think of that netflix player roku box? do you think there might be a possiblity of that turning into a mythtv HD frontend one day? |
| [19:03:11] | iamlindoro__: | dustybin: No, I don't. Since they will never ever EVAR open source the code to use the hardware decoders. |
| [19:03:26] | PatrickDK: | why do people keep talking about that damned roku crap? |
| [19:03:28] | dustybin: | well there you go :-( |
| [19:03:43] | PatrickDK: | if it ever is put out, and gets hacked, and can use myth |
| [19:03:44] | high-rez: | damian666: Have you looked into coreavc for linux? |
| [19:03:45] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: I looked at their tarball – seems they have code for the nxperia STB chip they use |
| [19:03:46] | PatrickDK: | it will never play hd |
| [19:03:46] | iamlindoro__: | damian666: If it's single sliced, then your only option may be to patch myth for CoreAVC and use coreavc-for-linux |
| [19:03:59] | gbee: | hmm, you might struggle with h.264 on a single core of just 2.4Ghz |
| [19:04:22] | damian666: | iamlindoro: single sliced ?? whats that |
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| [19:04:33] | dustybin: | iamlindoro__: all the source code is here: http://www.roku.com/community/gpl_nfp.php |
| [19:04:48] | justinh: | damian666: google knows |
| [19:05:03] | damian666: | hmm what ghz would i need for 720p ? |
| [19:05:08] | gbee: | damian666: means that MythTV can only use one core to decode, not all four like it could with multi-sliced H.264 |
| [19:05:20] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: interesting... did you look closely enough to see if they had full source for the h.264 decode in there? I had heard the only code they had released was the not-hardware-decode stuff |
| [19:05:44] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: no I didn't. can't be bothered |
| [19:05:50] | iamlindoro__: | damian666: look in to coreavc-for-linux, and if not that, then at least the mythtv deblocking filter patch |
| [19:05:51] | AndyCap: | do they publish binary drivers for the hardware decoder? |
| [19:05:59] | GenericHuman: | hi all |
| [19:06:15] | iamlindoro__: | AndyCap: No, from that I understood |
| [19:06:44] | AndyCap: | about as useful as a PVR-350 then. :P |
| [19:07:02] | dustybin: | lian li HD frontend case wins then |
| [19:07:17] | damian666: | iamlindoro: ok, i'll try that thanks |
| [19:07:36] | fcher: | justinh: ok, I'll try. on the first commercial. the wife is watching "Death becomes her"... |
| [19:08:14] | AndyCap: | ooh, Catherine Bell. |
| [19:08:44] | dustybin: | can frontends be designed to boot really fast? |
| [19:08:53] | justinh: | really fast? |
| [19:08:57] | justinh: | STR |
| [19:09:05] | justinh: | netboot in < 40 secs |
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| [19:09:25] | dustybin: | i dont like the idea of leaving my server and a couple of frontends on 24.7, idealy id like the frontends to either turn off or go into some kinds of mode to save power, but im unsure what mode |
| [19:09:28] | justinh: | get rid of useless daemons, yada yada |
| [19:09:31] | PatrickDK: | killing all the unneeded drivers makes linux boot quick |
| [19:09:40] | iamlindoro__: | justinh: Looking at the source, it looks like it's *just* the OSS bits they used for that chip, but none of the proprietary goodies |
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| [19:09:50] | justinh: | iamlindoro__: typical :) |
| [19:10:00] | PatrickDK: | heh, I keep mine on 24/7 |
| [19:10:14] | justinh: | but in theory those leet characters could rip out the binaries... |
| [19:10:17] | PatrickDK: | I can't even get the wife to turn the tv off |
| [19:10:18] | andreax: | hell, is power so cheap there? :) |
| [19:10:20] | dustybin: | i wonder if its possible for a frontend box to go into hibernation mode |
| [19:10:23] | GreyFoxx: | dust: It really comes down to your distro and all the crap it runs at boot |
| [19:10:26] | GenericHuman: | i have a question : do i need a dvb-s card for each frontend ? |
| [19:10:27] | AndyCap: | dustybin: suspend 2 ram? |
| [19:10:29] | justinh: | my backend is on 24/7 |
| [19:10:38] | justinh: | GenericHuman: no |
| [19:10:39] | PatrickDK: | andreax, hmm is your computers power hungry? |
| [19:10:40] | dustybin: | AndyCap: yep something like that |
| [19:10:41] | GreyFoxx: | my netbooting frontends stat up in about 12–15 seconds |
| [19:10:48] | AndyCap: | GenericHuman: you need one tuner for each simultaneous program you want to watch or record |
| [19:10:53] | GreyFoxx: | my main frontend when put to sleep takes about 3 seconds to wake up |
| [19:10:55] | PatrickDK: | mine run like 50watts or so, it's like nothing |
| [19:11:00] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: netbooting should be slower than using a internal HD ? |
| [19:11:01] | AndyCap: | (ok, barring multiplex dvb) |
| [19:11:01] | GreyFoxx: | but to be honest I never turn any of them off |
| [19:11:19] | iamlindoro__: | I solve this problem by never rebooting |
| [19:11:21] | PatrickDK: | dustybin, not really |
| [19:11:23] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: I don't find it any slower |
| [19:11:26] | andreax: | PatrickDK: Still, but I want to build a new backend. With this shitty XP3000 there are a lot of bottlenecks serving some more than just a local frontend... |
| [19:11:29] | PatrickDK: | with netbooting you don't have any filesystem checks :) |
| [19:11:33] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [19:11:40] | justinh: | dustybin: it's faster than a default ubuntu hdd install |
| [19:11:50] | dustybin: | GreyFoxx: think of all the damage your doing to the planet |
| [19:11:59] | GreyFoxx: | Pffft, whatever |
| [19:12:15] | justinh: | if I hear more enviro BOLLOCKS again it'll be too soon |
| [19:12:16] | andreax: | That's my argue for a sleeptimer that ends frontend, not get back to menu... :) |
| [19:12:43] | justinh: | like a few humans turning off their computer every night will stop london flooding in 5 years |
| [19:12:53] | justinh: | like I give a shite about london flooding |
| [19:12:57] | iamlindoro__: | !trout dustybin baby-seal-snow-leopard-spotted-owl |
| [19:12:57] | ** MythLogBot slaps dustybin with a baby-seal-snow-leopard-spotted-owl trout on behalf of iamlindoro__... ** | |
| [19:12:58] | andreax: | gigglr |
| [19:13:18] | justinh: | fact of the matter is, most greenhouse gases come from animal |
| [19:13:23] | andreax: | Suure – its not the nature, its just my damn bill... |
| [19:13:27] | justinh: | animals we breed for food we waste |
| [19:13:30] | GenericHuman: | setup at home will be : 2 dishes, each pulling in 2 sats. 4 users able to watch any channel on any of the sats, and then 2 PVRs programmable by the 4 users. I am a bit confused as how to build it up |
| [19:13:51] | dustybin: | i was only joking, im more concerned about my sisters leccy bill |
| [19:14:10] | justinh: | GenericHuman: one backend/frontend machine fitted with 4 tuners, cabled up to 4 LNBs via a switch |
| [19:15:09] | justinh: | dustybin: her hairdryer and/or straighteners prolly eat more juice than a backend |
| [19:15:09] | AndyCap: | GenericHuman: when you need at least 4 you should probably calculate the cost of getting quad vs. quattro LNB's and accompanying switches |
| [19:15:19] | AndyCap: | GenericHuman: if you want to expand to moarr tuners. |
| [19:15:31] | dustybin: | i really need to buy myself a kilo-watt plug meter and find out how much my equipment really does suck up |
| [19:15:41] | dustybin: | justinh: aye ok |
| [19:15:43] | justinh: | dustybin: £15 at Maplin |
| [19:15:52] | andreax: | dustybin: Im sure you dislike to know that! :) |
| [19:15:55] | dustybin: | MapCons = no, id rather amazon |
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| [19:16:04] | andreax: | Mine is still in the desk – and keeps there... |
| [19:16:06] | AndyCap: | dustybin: I'm sure the utility company was nice enough to mount one in your fusebox or nearby |
| [19:16:13] | justinh: | amazon, citylink be their delivery service |
| [19:16:14] | dustybin: | hehe |
| [19:16:53] | justinh: | and after all I've tried to resist the lure of schmireless wireless, I'm looking fwd to receive my 'free' router |
| [19:17:13] | justinh: | what next – using livetv?! :-O |
| [19:17:25] | AndyCap: | justinh: no, buying Sky. |
| [19:17:53] | justinh: | hmmm I still think I'd sooner go to hell |
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| [19:18:15] | AndyCap: | who said it's an either or proposition |
| [19:18:20] | dustybin: | UK Gold should be renamed to UK Gold Only Fools and Horses |
| [19:18:46] | justinh: | just for the way those c***s from Sky lied to me the other week, that's reason enough |
| [19:19:00] | justinh: | still not heard from Trading Standards about that actually |
| [19:19:17] | dustybin: | i hope offcom close sky down |
| [19:19:30] | dustybin: | free the airwaves |
| [19:20:06] | justinh: | I hope a nice man gives me a free chocolate labrador puppy tomorrow... :P |
| [19:20:29] | dustybin: | heh |
| [19:21:29] | dustybin: | sometimes i wish i didnt get my internet down the BT phoneline |
| [19:21:44] | dustybin: | if i didnt, then i could remove BT altogeher and start using VOIP |
| [19:22:18] | justinh: | you mean free wireless internet which is both reliable & fast enough? :D |
| [19:22:38] | dustybin: | the only other solution is capable but then you are tied to Virgin |
| [19:22:50] | dustybin: | why cant i have internet without being tied to anything? |
| [19:22:59] | dustybin: | cable |
| [19:23:11] | justinh: | cable isn't cheap either |
| [19:23:21] | justinh: | you have to *want* what they give you for 'free' |
| [19:23:31] | AndyCap: | dustybin: you can. Did you check if linksys has service near you? |
| [19:23:43] | AndyCap: | :P |
| [19:23:44] | justinh: | AndyCap: this is the UK remember! |
| [19:23:44] | dustybin: | AndyCap: interesting whats that |
| [19:24:04] | justinh: | wi-max – another load of bollocks |
| [19:24:16] | dustybin: | i dont want BT and i dont want Virgin, but i want a fast internet connection |
| [19:24:25] | justinh: | something the govt want to make a mint from selling the old analogue TV spectrum |
| [19:24:27] | AndyCap: | dustybin: a joke. :P linksys is the default name of wireless routers from Linksys, and they pop up everywhere |
| [19:24:37] | dustybin: | hehe.. |
| [19:25:10] | justinh: | AndyCap: borrowing interwebs is illeeegullz in the UK (if you get found out) |
| [19:25:29] | AndyCap: | justinh: I'd think it's illegal most everywhere |
| [19:25:42] | justinh: | is cracking WPA keys? :) |
| [19:25:58] | justinh: | not that netstumbler works on this laptop's broadcomm but hey |
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| [19:29:05] | wagnerrp: | has any lawsuit successfully gone through against people using unencrypted internet? |
| [19:29:16] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: depends what they use it for |
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| [19:30:00] | wagnerrp: | well if they use it to access the provider's computers, or for other malicious intents, they can go after them for that |
| [19:30:23] | wagnerrp: | but as far as im concerned, lack of even WEP indicated open-door-internet |
| [19:30:46] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: I've read about arrests, but not sure if they actually got convictions |
| [19:30:55] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070522 . . . his-car.html |
| [19:31:20] | PatrickDK: | heh, I do that all the time |
| [19:31:26] | PatrickDK: | when I'm driving, and something breaks |
| [19:31:30] | justinh: | wagnerrp: no matter in the UK cases |
| [19:31:34] | PatrickDK: | I will stop by a hotel and use their wireless from my truck |
| [19:31:46] | justinh: | hotels with free wifi? LOL |
| [19:31:49] | justinh: | not here |
| [19:31:55] | fcher: | justinh: the culprit (for not showing menus) was the upgrading of xorg. It overwrote the nvidia version of libglx. got it fixed, thanks for the help :) |
| [19:32:54] | gbee: | place in Wolverhampton had free wifi, was able to use it from my room to watch recordings via mythweb on the Friday afternoon ;) |
| [19:32:54] | AndyCap: | fail: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/6958429.stm |
| [19:33:08] | justinh: | shhhH! I don't want word getting out I helped anybody! |
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| [19:33:24] | wagnerrp: | so whats going to happen now that iphones and wifi accessible handheld devices are becoming common? |
| [19:33:32] | wagnerrp: | someone walks by a coffee shop |
| [19:33:38] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: mass arrests, ship to guantanamo. |
| [19:33:39] | wagnerrp: | their phone detects the wireless network |
| [19:33:49] | wagnerrp: | connects, and automatically downloads emails |
| [19:33:54] | justinh: | coffee shops with free wifi? WHAT?! |
| [19:33:56] | wagnerrp: | without the users knowledge |
| [19:34:00] | PatrickDK: | is it wrong that I have a large wifi antenna and ap mounted in my truck? |
| [19:34:27] | gbee: | BT don't seem to think it's illegal, they invite their customers to leave connections unsecured for others to use |
| [19:34:35] | justinh: | lol |
| [19:34:57] | wagnerrp: | even worse something like the nokia tablets, which have no CDMA/GPRS access |
| [19:35:22] | wagnerrp: | at least phones might only switch over if prompted |
| [19:35:27] | justinh: | btw uk peeps might want to look at www.digidave.co.uk – 'free' routers from there – ok not all singing, all dancing but alright for bumming around with |
| [19:35:50] | wagnerrp: | or my mom's nokia phone which automatically switches over to any available wifi for VOIP |
| [19:36:13] | PatrickDK: | andycap, in my state, we killed the law that said it is illegal :) |
| [19:36:23] | wagnerrp: | we go to Panera for lunch, and suddenly she has an IP phone |
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| [19:37:26] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: but you didn't kill the deputy? |
| [19:37:43] | wagnerrp: | na, only the sheriff |
| [19:37:59] | wagnerrp: | shot him, in fact |
| [19:38:00] | justinh: | oh god. VM have capped my connection |
| [19:38:31] | justinh: | download one k between 4pm & 10pm .. they cap you to 2bits/sec or something |
| [19:38:42] | AndyCap: | Hehe, hopefully there's no truth to the rumours about ISP's planning to turn internet into cable service, with packages and all |
| [19:39:02] | jduggan: | justinh: thought it was 50% rate |
| [19:39:13] | jduggan: | 1mbit/s ? |
| [19:39:25] | wagnerrp: | i dont care if they have different rate packages |
| [19:39:40] | gbee: | justinh: normally I'd snap up anything that is free or a bargin but lately I've started to clean out things I don't need or want anymore and I'm liking the clutter free environment :) |
| [19:39:42] | wagnerrp: | but they moment they start packaging off sections of the internet, someone is going to firebomb them |
| [19:40:10] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: well, first you would need the Anarchist package. to get the recipies |
| [19:40:41] | justinh: | jduggan: whatever the limit is, I hit it today |
| [19:40:47] | jduggan: | ;P |
| [19:40:50] | jduggan: | sucks |
| [19:41:00] | jduggan: | i dont think ive been limited by vm, yet :) |
| [19:41:06] | wagnerrp: | and the 'flash mob' and 'guy fawkes' packages to organize the groups? |
| [19:41:31] | gbee: | I've hit the limit a couple of times, downloading linux isos |
| [19:41:38] | gbee: | it's a royal pain |
| [19:41:54] | jduggan: | i generally only install debian @ home |
| [19:42:00] | jduggan: | and its 128mb net install disc |
| [19:42:30] | gbee: | but then they've upped my connection from 4Mbps to 10Mbps so even when I'm capped it's not as bad as it was |
| [19:42:32] | jduggan: | i work in a datacenter, with multi-gigabit uplinks from the office, if i need anything substanial i download in work :) |
| [19:42:43] | justinh: | jesus. just seen my wife go into the advanced recording options menu to set something rather than press the remote's record button!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| [19:42:58] | jduggan: | lol |
| [19:43:11] | justinh: | asked why not use the record button – bah can't be arsed going through the options & waiting to see the right one come up |
| [19:43:24] | justinh: | can't use mythtv my ARSE |
| [19:43:36] | dustybin: | hehehe |
| [19:43:46] | justinh: | and she's worked out how to disable timestretch... |
| [19:44:14] | dustybin: | could a frontend be booted from a micro drive |
| [19:44:15] | dustybin: | http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/micro/overvw.htm |
| [19:44:33] | justinh: | dustybin: if it's a bootable medium, a box can boot from anything |
| [19:44:42] | AndyCap: | dustybin: I suspect that is old and slow. |
| [19:44:49] | wagnerrp: | microdrives are just CF form factor |
| [19:45:00] | wagnerrp: | so anything that can boot off a CF can boot off a microdrive |
| [19:45:09] | dustybin: | ok |
| [19:45:13] | PatrickDK: | except that microdrives use more power |
| [19:45:19] | justinh: | USB sticks, netbooting... solid state sata/ide devices... |
| [19:45:26] | wagnerrp: | although theyre not really worthwhile now that CF cards have caught up to microdrives in capacity |
| [19:45:40] | justinh: | like you need a lot of capacity for a frontend |
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| [19:45:43] | PatrickDK: | and surpassed in speed finally |
| [19:45:44] | wagnerrp: | 4GB microdrives have been out for several years |
| [19:45:51] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: CF cards are not designed for lots of read and writes, however, microdrives are just mini hard drives |
| [19:45:55] | justinh: | you don't even need 1GB if you do it right |
| [19:45:57] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [19:46:16] | justinh: | dustybin: you'll find modern flash about matches HDDs in real terms |
| [19:46:17] | AndyCap: | dustybin: the problem is they're just mini harddrives. :P |
| [19:46:20] | wagnerrp: | but what are you doing with frequent reads and writes on a frontend boot drive? |
| [19:46:38] | PatrickDK: | justinh, only for sequental writes, not random writes |
| [19:46:40] | AndyCap: | dustybin: cheaper to get a 2.5 drive if you want a hd. |
| [19:46:45] | justinh: | most of my frontend's filesystem is read-only |
| [19:46:58] | justinh: | stop being lame & just netboot it |
| [19:47:18] | justinh: | if you want to power the backend off, boot from USB & wake the backend via WoL |
| [19:47:22] | wagnerrp: | thats what i do on about half my systems |
| [19:47:25] | dustybin: | i really dont like the sound of netbooting, its too hit and miss |
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| [19:47:31] | wagnerrp: | i ran out of spare boot drives, and didnt feel like buying more |
| [19:47:42] | justinh: | it's less of a miss than a failed HDD |
| [19:47:46] | wagnerrp: | its absolutely not hit or miss |
| [19:48:01] | wagnerrp: | once i figured out how to do it, ive never had a problem with mine |
| [19:48:08] | justinh: | mine only misses when the stupidbuntu kernel powers the machine off in a weird way |
| [19:48:09] | wagnerrp: | except for very old hardware without boot roms |
| [19:48:29] | dustybin: | justinh: why dont you go back to gentoo |
| [19:48:30] | justinh: | but if I didn't leave the PSU in standby that wouldn't be an issue |
| [19:48:44] | justinh: | dustybin: because LIFE IS WAY TOO FUCKING SHORT |
| [19:48:49] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [19:49:02] | dustybin: | emerge --sync world |
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| [19:49:49] | dustybin: | LFS > SLACKWARE > GENTOO > .. then whats next? |
| [19:50:02] | dustybin: | i rekon, DEBIAN |
| [19:50:04] | justinh: | but then – if all that was precious to me was time, I'd go to Aldi & buy the lame standalone freeview pvr they're having on offer this thursday |
| [19:50:23] | dustybin: | aye |
| [19:51:18] | dustybin: | i think slackware people must have even more time on their hands |
| [19:52:14] | GreyFoxx: | dusty: We do, cause we don't have deal with unstable boxes or package systems ;) |
| [19:52:26] | dustybin: | :P |
| [19:52:40] | PatrickDK: | I'm still stuck on slackware |
| [19:53:00] | PatrickDK: | I can't stand gentoo |
| [19:53:11] | dustybin: | PatrickDK: what dont you like about it? |
| [19:53:21] | PatrickDK: | it just doesn't feel right :) |
| [19:53:26] | PatrickDK: | and that matters alot to me :) |
| [19:53:26] | dustybin: | heh |
| [19:53:28] | justinh: | like anal sex |
| [19:53:32] | dustybin: | lol |
| [19:53:44] | justinh: | there, I said it. gentoo is like anal sex# |
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| [19:54:04] | PatrickDK: | justinh, I assume you mean the receiver? |
| [19:54:15] | justinh: | either |
| [19:54:21] | AndyCap: | PatrickDK: is that the front or back-end? |
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| [19:54:51] | PatrickDK: | andycap, heh? |
| [19:54:59] | fcher: | I'm using DVB cards. With some channels the streamed subtitles shows nice, on some other channels they come over black bars. Where can I set this so that every channel with subs the text shows nicely without the black bars under the text? |
| [19:55:04] | justinh: | dustybin: btw I saw this & I thought of you: http://hotukdeals.com/visit/?m=2332&q=204413 |
| [19:55:15] | dustybin: | when i build my new server its going to be a toss between gentoo and debian |
| [19:55:23] | justinh: | fcher: you can't change dvb subtitle formatting |
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| [19:55:51] | AndyCap: | fcher: they're bitmaps |
| [19:55:57] | dustybin: | lol |
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| [19:56:21] | joomla_user: | dustybin: thats not a toss thats a moonlanding leap |
| [19:56:44] | dustybin: | joomla_user: i use both of those distros already |
| [19:56:44] | kormoc: | Mmm... Gentoo... |
| [19:56:52] | dustybin: | my backend./frontend runs debian lenny |
| [19:57:03] | joomla_user: | well they made it easy with a new liveCd |
| [19:57:07] | dustybin: | my desktop runs gentoo |
| [19:57:23] | dustybin: | joomla_user: i read the manual and done it properly on my desktop |
| [19:57:37] | dustybin: | it took me soo long to do that i refuse to install anything else |
| [19:57:41] | joomla_user: | LiveCD manual is 1 page |
| [19:57:58] | dustybin: | joomla_user: the livecd isnt the real mccoy |
| [19:58:06] | dustybin: | its cheating |
| [19:58:34] | PatrickDK: | netbooting in ubuntu looks simple to setup |
| [19:58:41] | tulbreak: | Any UK users have experience with DVB-S usb sticks (for freesat)? |
| [19:58:42] | PatrickDK: | I haven't tried it yet |
| [19:58:58] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: It is-- and easier still in mythbuntu-- one click to gen the image, one to make it active |
| [19:59:02] | justinh: | PatrickDK: it is once you fettle the initramfs |
| [19:59:41] | justinh: | are there dvb-s usb sticks? eew imagine the strain on 1) the f-connector & 2) the USB plug. yuck |
| [19:59:59] | joomla_user: | Thats for laptops mostly |
| [20:00:03] | iamlindoro_: | justinh: Not to worry, once they heat up enough they become onboard |
| [20:00:12] | AndyCap: | don't think I've seen an actual stick. |
| [20:00:23] | clever: | justinh: i have plenty of usb extensions to fix the strain |
| [20:00:36] | tulbreak: | I thought there were some around... how about external boxes then? |
| [20:00:36] | clever: | one of them is 2 inches and came with a bluetooth stick |
| [20:00:50] | iamlindoro_: | That's between you and your urologist |
| [20:00:58] | jduggan: | lol |
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| [20:01:05] | clever: | http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/43811066_623bb7fe8c.jpg |
| [20:01:14] | fcher: | justinh: oh. well, another problem related to subtitles. On some channels, which are idiotically formatted, send with black bars on the sides AND up and down... When I use the zoom function to get those bars smaller, the subs move more to the center of the picture. Is there a way to get those to stay at the lower edge of the screen? |
| [20:01:16] | clever: | useless for anything other then strain releif |
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| [20:02:49] | PatrickDK: | I would just mount them all and a usb hub on the wall, and run a normal usb cable to the computer :) |
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| [20:05:07] | joomla_user: | You need to set up a lightning bolt protection |
| [20:05:18] | clever: | PatrickDK: that could also aid in reception:P |
| [20:05:24] | clever: | hang the usb stick up in the air |
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| [20:06:12] | PatrickDK: | using better coax cable will aid in reception |
| [20:06:20] | justinh: | fcher: formatting in dvb subs is always fixed |
| [20:06:21] | PatrickDK: | or a larger dish |
| [20:07:02] | fcher: | justinh: yes, but is the place of the subs fixed also? |
| [20:07:08] | justinh: | 4:3 channels showing letterboxed widescreen... ridiculous, and one of my pet hates |
| [20:07:21] | justinh: | fcher: positioning is counted as formatting |
| [20:07:23] | clever: | my mythfrontend in a window is a tad wide |
| [20:07:31] | clever: | so i get letterboxing on the sides with 4:3 shows |
| [20:07:42] | clever: | and half the shows allready have letterboxing on the top/bottom |
| [20:07:57] | clever: | so they wind up framed between 2 shades of black |
| [20:07:58] | justinh: | myth could in theory be patched to be able to change the subtitle position but that's a bit of work |
| [20:08:23] | joomla_user: | can you change start time `? |
| [20:08:26] | clever: | greyish black mpeg artifacted bars on the top/bottom |
| [20:08:33] | clever: | and solid perfect black bars on the right/left |
| [20:08:54] | justinh: | start time? |
| [20:09:00] | AndyCap: | clever: that way they don't discriminate against 4:3 tv's |
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| [20:09:16] | joomla_user: | subtitle start time fo out of sync |
| [20:09:19] | justinh: | 4:3 tv owners should be exterminated |
| [20:09:21] | fcher: | justinh: oh. well, zooming the letterboxed 4:3 in and the place of the subs seems to move more to the center of the screen. |
| [20:09:33] | clever: | AndyCap: id i could crop the top/bottom bars out in a transcode then i would be able to scretch the image to fit my window better |
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| [20:09:37] | justinh: | joomla_user: give people time to read |
| [20:09:58] | justinh: | subs in live shows always lag behind & some pre-recorded shows are subtitled 'live' |
| [20:10:26] | dustybin: | clever: have you taken on some more old hardware since i last spoke to you |
| [20:10:39] | clever: | dustybin: its just a pvr150 for recording |
| [20:10:46] | clever: | but i do have a 33mhz 486 sx nearby |
| [20:10:57] | clever: | but it doesnt have enough ram for duke nukem 3d :( |
| [20:11:01] | dustybin: | ok |
| [20:11:32] | dmz: | anyone here use minimyth w/ramdisk image? |
| [20:11:58] | justinh: | used to but stopped when I woke up & realised my epia was shite |
| [20:12:19] | AndyCap: | Anyone tried the atom mini-itx cards btw? |
| [20:12:28] | joomla_user: | dmz: like freevo? |
| [20:12:37] | clever: | neat, hitting W once nearly fixes my problem instantly |
| [20:12:56] | clever: | i loose half the top/bottom bars by stretching it to get rid of the side ones |
| [20:13:28] | justinh: | joomla_user: minimyth is a frontend-only myth distro |
| [20:13:28] | fcher: | clever: I use the same aproach |
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| [20:13:57] | joomla_user: | it better have chess game |
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| [20:14:19] | justinh: | ahh welcome back rambo3 |
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| [20:15:18] | fcher: | clever: and using the zoom with W results in subs raised to near the center of the screen... |
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| [20:15:47] | clever: | capturing the closed captioning causes a warning that it may crash the driver |
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| [20:15:56] | clever: | so i just disabled it globaly in mythtv-setup |
| [20:16:10] | clever: | back with the driver in 6.06 it actualy did kill it 100% of the time |
| [20:16:23] | fcher: | what driver? |
| [20:16:28] | joomla_user: | thanks |
| [20:16:28] | clever: | ivtv |
| [20:16:36] | dmz: | joomla_user why would i mention freevo on a mythtv channel :) |
| [20:16:44] | fcher: | ok, not familiar with that hw |
| [20:16:48] | dmz: | minimyth is a small distro for frontend of myth |
| [20:16:52] | clever: | fcher: the driver was way too old |
| [20:16:57] | justinh: | dmz: anyway, what's the issue? |
| [20:17:00] | clever: | and mythbackend knew of the bug and spewed warnings |
| [20:17:05] | joomla_user: | dmz: to show better applications |
| [20:17:07] | dmz: | i've been using it with PXE boot and nfs mount, but it's died and i've changed to booting from flash disk |
| [20:17:28] | dmz: | joomla_user if you want to debate freevo vs mythtv you may not want to do that here :) |
| [20:17:29] | clever: | dmz: im booting with dhcp->pxelinux->nfsroot on 3 systems without any trouble |
| [20:17:33] | clever: | even sharing the root |
| [20:17:39] | dmz: | yeah it was going fine for me |
| [20:17:49] | justinh: | dmz: it's possible to unpack the compressed ram image & use it like a regular fs |
| [20:17:52] | clever: | took some care to get nvidia and ati drivers to share a root |
| [20:17:52] | dmz: | but 2 of my systems are constently rebooting as soon as PXE loads kernel |
| [20:17:59] | clever: | they scramble the drivers of the other |
| [20:18:09] | dmz: | but i used the minimyth install to a flash disk and trying that |
| [20:18:22] | dmz: | it now boots ok but when it trys to start it's all borked on themese & MM_X settings and wont' boot |
| [20:18:23] | clever: | dmz: i turned on serial console when setting it up so i could get the errors and not loose them on reboot |
| [20:18:36] | justinh: | basically, freevo sucks in terms of recording TV compared to mythtv – and erm.. mythtv is actually usable :) |
| [20:18:37] | dmz: | error: MM_X_TV_SYNC='HorizSync 10.0–70.0' is not valid |
| [20:18:57] | clever: | im just running a 'normal' ubuntu 7.10 as the root |
| [20:19:04] | fcher: | clever: I should gather info about the channels witch use the limited mpeg bw to send black bars and start to email complaints to the cable provider... |
| [20:19:07] | iamlindoro_: | feck that, I'm going to use VDR and view in mplayer's ASCII output |
| [20:19:07] | dmz: | it "just works" with PXE_NFS, but ramdisk boot just is confused |
| [20:19:10] | justinh: | dmz: not finding the minimyth.conf file properly? |
| [20:19:16] | iamlindoro_: | so I can be in the matrix |
| [20:19:31] | justinh: | maybe ask on the linpvr.org forum – they're pretty good at support |
| [20:19:39] | clever: | fcher: ive only got raw analog so i dont have any wasted bandwidth |
| [20:19:43] | justinh: | unless you run into a problem nobody can reproduce :P |
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| [20:20:26] | dmz: | i wish i knew why these boxes wouldn't to pxe boot anymore |
| [20:20:45] | PatrickDK: | cause now they know who you are :) |
| [20:20:47] | clever: | dmz: i have parts of my config under svn control so i can undo anything i did |
| [20:21:02] | dmz: | but i've not changed the config |
| [20:21:07] | dmz: | i think it's the minimyth ramdisk setup |
| [20:21:10] | dmz: | it's borked |
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| [20:21:16] | clever: | dl a new image |
| [20:21:18] | clever: | swap them out |
| [20:21:20] | dmz: | i'm going to try syslinux flash boot using nfs root |
| [20:21:26] | dmz: | and see if that makes it happy |
| [20:21:32] | dmz: | the image was newly setup last night |
| [20:21:41] | clever: | im using pxelinux and my kernel is too fat for a purely grub boot straping |
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| [20:21:46] | dmz: | everyone i've mentioned it to uses pxe/nfs |
| [20:21:54] | clever: | and ive yet to get grub to build with network support |
| [20:22:04] | clever: | so i cant get grub to pull the kernel over the net |
| [20:22:24] | dmz: | clever why such a large kernel? |
| [20:22:35] | clever: | dmz: 1.7mb |
| [20:22:39] | clever: | and 4.8mb for the initrd |
| [20:22:43] | dmz: | that isn't very big |
| [20:22:45] | clever: | floppy is 1.4mb |
| [20:22:48] | clever: | no worky:P |
| [20:23:06] | clever: | id need a usb stick or hdd to boot strap |
| [20:23:07] | PatrickDK: | heh, I just use a 3mb kernel and no initrd |
| [20:23:13] | justinh: | minimyth isn't the biggest distro going infact it's prolly the *smallest* of all |
| [20:23:25] | clever: | PatrickDK: im using the initrd built by ubuntus normal scripts |
| [20:23:32] | clever: | and the prebuilt kernel in the package system |
| [20:23:44] | clever: | the root image was 500mb when i started, bare |
| [20:24:02] | PatrickDK: | yuk, I think mine was 160megs |
| [20:24:02] | dustybin: | clever: when your away from your computers do you often fantasize about what you would like to do to them |
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| [20:24:11] | clever: | dustybin: yes:( |
| [20:24:19] | clever: | PatrickDK: i made it with debootstrap |
| [20:24:20] | dustybin: | same here :P |
| [20:24:38] | clever: | then chroot'ed in and edited the initrd.conf so it would build a nfs root initrd |
| [20:24:43] | PatrickDK: | oh wait, your including X in yours :) |
| [20:24:54] | clever: | PatrickDK: that 500mb is before i added anything |
| [20:25:05] | clever: | that was the BARE root right after a debootstrap |
| [20:25:12] | PatrickDK: | I have debootstrap set to do the minimal it can |
| [20:25:18] | clever: | ive now got firefox and a full gnome and everything else |
| [20:25:20] | PatrickDK: | and it's <200megs for me using ubuntu 7.10 |
| [20:25:25] | clever: | including the 200mb qt4-debug package |
| [20:25:29] | clever: | and java |
| [20:25:44] | clever: | and a full compiler chain |
| [20:25:53] | PatrickDK: | your just going nuts |
| [20:25:54] | clever: | and wine(with call of duty!) |
| [20:26:14] | clever: | its shared over 3 systems so its saving some |
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| [20:26:22] | clever: | and its stored on the 300gig recording partition |
| [20:26:27] | clever: | so it doesnt realy harm anything |
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| [20:26:39] | clever: | i could probly install 90% of the packages if i just delete recordings |
| [20:26:45] | clever: | its now 9.6gig large:P |
| [20:27:19] | PatrickDK: | kid is throwing bottle of gateraid |
| [20:27:21] | clever: | thats only about 8–10 hours of shows ive 'lost' to it |
| [20:27:24] | PatrickDK: | I wonder how long till one busts |
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| [20:28:39] | clever: | my bigest problem was that the kernel refused to mount the nfs-usermode-server |
| [20:28:48] | clever: | once i did the painfull switch to kernel mode server(no uid maping) it worked perfectly |
| [20:29:16] | clever: | that helped force me to sync all my uid's between systems |
| [20:29:19] | clever: | 4.8G nfsroot/home |
| [20:29:22] | clever: | 2.2G nfsroot/root |
| [20:29:31] | clever: | (most of the space usage on the nfsroot) |
| [20:29:51] | clever: | including a tar backup and for some reason, a cd image |
| [20:29:53] | iamlindoro_: | GreyFoxx: Any inspiration on the mythtranscode thing so far? |
| [20:30:46] | clever: | PatrickDK: ive also 'lost' 1.5gig to boinc:P |
| [20:31:35] | PatrickDK: | I have 'lost' 180gigs to dora/spongebob/barnie |
| [20:31:40] | clever: | ouch |
| [20:31:46] | clever: | delete delete delete! |
| [20:32:00] | PatrickDK: | kids scream, or quiet :) |
| [20:32:15] | clever: | put them on autoexpire or something like a 20 episode limit |
| [20:32:27] | clever: | they wont notice:P |
| [20:32:30] | PatrickDK: | heh? |
| [20:32:34] | PatrickDK: | I ripped them all from dvd |
| [20:32:37] | clever: | oo |
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| [20:32:52] | PatrickDK: | half the dvd's needed major work to even read them |
| [20:32:55] | clever: | compress compress! |
| [20:32:59] | PatrickDK: | I did |
| [20:33:03] | clever: | :( |
| [20:33:17] | PatrickDK: | it's all using 2mbit h264 now |
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| [20:44:37] | black_Nightmare_: | any of you used mythtv player? (the windows thing yeah) |
| [20:46:34] | iamlindoro_: | No, because if you do, the terrorists win. |
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| [20:47:50] | Aval0n: | !seen |torg| |
| [20:47:50] | MythLogBot: | |torg| was last seen 12 days 6 hours 3 minutes 5 seconds ago |
| [20:47:59] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro what you mean by that? |
| [20:48:35] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: if I plan un compiling from sourc on a fresh installed, what OS do you recommend I use? |
| [20:48:41] | iamlindoro_: | 50% of all the sales proceeds of MythTV Player go to Al Qaeda. Fact. |
| [20:48:50] | Aval0n: | i've been using mythtv .21-fixes on ubuntu hardy forever |
| [20:48:59] | Aval0n: | but i'm always getting random errors and problems |
| [20:49:27] | Aval0n: | recordings that skip sometimes from missing data, lockups |
| [20:49:29] | Aval0n: | etc... |
| [20:49:30] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: Whatever you are most comfortable with-- no one really has an advantage over the other when you're compiling from source. I myself would choose Debian or Ubuntu because of the simplicity of apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [20:49:31] | Aval0n: | slowness |
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| [20:49:40] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [20:49:41] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [20:49:50] | Aval0n: | my current rig is using ubuntu |
| [20:50:00] | Aval0n: | I wish it was just a bit more stable |
| [20:50:01] | iamlindoro_: | I doubt your probalems have anything to do with your distro |
| [20:50:12] | Aval0n: | yeah I hear ya |
| [20:50:37] | black_Nightmare_: | iamlindoro well I was wondering about the idea of eg letting a windows laptop (not always mine so obviously there heh) be able to watch some mythtv-recorded shows |
| [20:50:55] | Aval0n: | I noticed one issue when I delete recordings |
| [20:51:01] | Aval0n: | it hoses sytem performance |
| [20:51:07] | Aval0n: | system* |
| [20:51:13] | Aval0n: | with the slow deletes option on mind you. |
| [20:51:15] | iamlindoro_: | Aval0n: probably because you're using an EXT3 filesystem |
| [20:51:23] | Aval0n: | you are correct |
| [20:51:24] | iamlindoro_: | if you want quick deletes, use a quick filesystem |
| [20:51:35] | Aval0n: | im ok with the deletes taking a while |
| [20:51:42] | Aval0n: | but it kills performance |
| [20:51:52] | Aval0n: | what filesystem do you recommend? |
| [20:51:52] | iamlindoro_: | still, use a different FS... you will get quick performance |
| [20:51:59] | iamlindoro_: | XFS, JFS, whatever |
| [20:52:03] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [20:52:08] | Aval0n: | and negatives to those? |
| [20:52:14] | Aval0n: | if any ;) |
| [20:52:39] | clever: | no shrinking i think |
| [20:52:52] | Aval0n: | shrinking |
| [20:52:54] | Aval0n: | ? |
| [20:53:03] | clever: | making the filesystem smaller |
| [20:53:03] | Aval0n: | compressing the filesystem? |
| [20:53:07] | Aval0n: | oh |
| [20:53:08] | clever: | removing bytes |
| [20:53:15] | Aval0n: | like resizing partitions? |
| [20:53:17] | clever: | resizing the partition |
| [20:53:19] | Aval0n: | ok |
| [20:53:21] | Aval0n: | gotcha |
| [20:53:25] | clever: | some are grow only |
| [20:53:31] | iamlindoro_: | resizing *down*, mind you |
| [20:53:32] | Aval0n: | not an issue there for me. |
| [20:53:34] | iamlindoro_: | up is fine :) |
| [20:53:40] | clever: | which means you can never delete and shrink when a drive fails |
| [20:53:48] | clever: | you must get a replacement of the same or bigger |
| [20:53:48] | Aval0n: | ahh |
| [20:53:50] | Aval0n: | that's ok |
| [20:53:56] | clever: | or just format the new drive and move files |
| [20:53:57] | Aval0n: | anything I care about will be backed up anyway |
| [20:54:07] | Aval0n: | and i've always had issues with hd playback for movies |
| [20:54:11] | Aval0n: | 1080p stuff |
| [20:54:17] | Aval0n: | even with coreavc installed |
| [20:54:18] | Aval0n: | lol |
| [20:54:21] | iamlindoro_: | umm... are you still trying to play them on your godawful P4? |
| [20:54:24] | Aval0n: | something else is going on with my system |
| [20:54:29] | Aval0n: | iamlindoro_: lol no |
| [20:54:38] | Aval0n: | c2d 2.8ghz 2gb of ram |
| [20:54:39] | clever: | my P4 cant play anything past xvid(other then 640x480 264) |
| [20:54:45] | sid3windr: | downside to xfs is I heard it doesn't like unexpected shutdowns btw |
| [20:54:51] | clever: | my c2d 1.8ghz plays ANYTHING i have |
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| [20:54:56] | clever: | though i dont have any 1080p stuff |
| [20:55:13] | Aval0n: | that's a big peice to the puzzle there ;) |
| [20:55:13] | iamlindoro_: | anyway, you are still dealing with cutting edge stuff if you're doing high-bitrate 1080p... it can be wonky... wait for multithreaded playback to mature, hardware offload to appear, etc... things will get better |
| [20:55:28] | iamlindoro_: | but there's not much to do but wait (in linux) right now, as things improve |
| [20:55:37] | Aval0n: | yeah, but it just bugs me when I hear of people playing them with no issues |
| [20:55:38] | black_Nightmare_: | hardware offload.... just like these mpeg2 cards back in the day of early dvd movies? |
| [20:55:42] | clever: | or dig in and help with the source:P |
| [20:55:43] | iamlindoro_: | You *can* tweak most stuff to play, but it's sometimes more trouble than it's worth |
| [20:55:55] | Aval0n: | yeah |
| [20:55:57] | iamlindoro_: | black_Nightmare_: no, as in GPUs, now. |
| [20:56:05] | Aval0n: | it's been a while since I worked on my box |
| [20:56:15] | Aval0n: | but I think I got playback okay with coreavce |
| [20:56:19] | Aval0n: | coreavc* |
| [20:56:22] | clever: | i got xvmc working on mpeg2 before |
| [20:56:29] | clever: | but it didnt give any reduction in cpu usage |
| [20:56:35] | clever: | and i lost color on my OSD |
| [20:56:59] | Aval0n: | I remember one issue i'm having, anytime I play a video in internal player, if I pause and walk away to long when I come back to resume it, the screen fades to black and I have a mouse cursor |
| [20:57:02] | Aval0n: | and it never comes back. |
| [20:57:13] | Aval0n: | any other time it fades on me I press a button and it's right back |
| [20:57:19] | Aval0n: | which is what I want since it's a plasma |
| [20:57:25] | Aval0n: | I have it set to ftb after 10 minutes |
| [20:57:31] | iamlindoro_: | Sounds like a focus issue |
| [20:57:37] | high-rez: | XvMC works great for me, and I don't lose color. |
| [20:57:44] | iamlindoro_: | as you are correct, a button should bring it back |
| [20:57:53] | sid3windr: | hey hardware offload with mpeg2 cards rocked ;) |
| [20:57:53] | clever: | high-rez: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3) |
| [20:58:21] | Aval0n: | part of me has toyed with the idea of trying media portal |
| [20:58:38] | iamlindoro_: | If you were going to try anything, I would suggest Sage |
| [20:58:40] | Aval0n: | but i've put so much time and effort into my mythtv setup, it would be a shame |
| [20:58:47] | dmz: | ok so it's something with nfs, i changed flash syslinux.cfg to use nfs settings and as soon as kernel is loaded it performs just like PXE boot w/nfs settings |
| [20:58:55] | Aval0n: | hmm I'll googl eit |
| [20:59:00] | iamlindoro_: | If only for their sexy little HD extenders that have full 1080p hardware accelerated frontends on them |
| [20:59:04] | Aval0n: | I will probably try XFS |
| [20:59:05] | dmz: | wierd, i've never seen linux nfs boot cause board to reboot |
| [20:59:21] | Aval0n: | oh? |
| [20:59:26] | dmz: | anyone recommend a good micro-distro for myth frontend other than minimyth? |
| [20:59:30] | clever: | dmz: APPEND root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.1.60:/media/nfsroot initrd=initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic ip=dhcp rw |
| [20:59:34] | black_Nightmare_: | sid2windr well it was good for the like of <200mhz cpu's back then ... but rather reducency at all |
| [20:59:46] | clever: | dmz: not shure how much is needed, i just kept adding things and changing packages until it worked |
| [20:59:49] | iamlindoro_: | Yep... ie one backend, $200 1080p ahrdware offload frontends wherever you want them. Nice little systems, it seems. |
| [20:59:51] | black_Nightmare_: | 266+mhz could play dvds on their own with no issue as long as the system resource was kept mostly free |
| [21:00:01] | Aval0n: | no kidding |
| [21:00:19] | clever: | black_Nightmare_: think i can get xdiv with hardware offloading on 33mhz?!?!:PP |
| [21:00:33] | black_Nightmare_: | clever...wake up |
| [21:00:36] | black_Nightmare_: | thats all I can say ;) |
| [21:00:41] | clever: | lol |
| [21:00:50] | clever: | i need to get duke nukem to work first |
| [21:00:54] | clever: | i think i only have 4mb of ram |
| [21:00:56] | Aval0n: | I hate my pvr-500 too |
| [21:01:03] | Aval0n: | diagonal lines on a bunch of stuff |
| [21:01:09] | Aval0n: | well known problem with that card |
| [21:01:14] | kormoc: | xdiv sounds like xhtml's version of a div element |
| [21:01:19] | Aval0n: | even happens on the composite inputs |
| [21:01:21] | black_Nightmare_: | kormoc heh :p |
| [21:01:25] | clever: | xvid |
| [21:01:26] | clever: | typo:P |
| [21:01:28] | black_Nightmare_: | aval0n...meh good luck with that |
| [21:01:43] | Aval0n: | and I hate using QAM with my kworld too |
| [21:01:46] | dmz: | clever i've got it working with 4 frontneds |
| [21:01:50] | Aval0n: | I am always getting partial locks |
| [21:01:54] | clever: | Aval0n: http://gallery.clever.mine.nu:81/index.py/myt . . . 1.png/_full_ |
| [21:01:55] | dmz: | this one just recently (in the last month) started randomly rebooting |
| [21:02:00] | Aval0n: | sometimes I can fix it by puting quicktune |
| [21:02:00] | clever: | Aval0n: see the 2 dashes lines? |
| [21:02:02] | dmz: | i think there is a problem with the network buffer |
| [21:02:03] | Aval0n: | then it breaks a weak later |
| [21:02:06] | dmz: | but haven't replaced hardware yet |
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| [21:02:17] | Aval0n: | clever: yeah |
| [21:02:18] | dmz: | it boots fine from local disk but whenever i try nfs root it keeps recycling |
| [21:02:25] | iamlindoro_: | Wow, neat, a DVB HDHomeRun! |
| [21:02:26] | clever: | Aval0n: those are a fixed pixel distance from the left |
| [21:02:38] | Aval0n: | wth is causing that |
| [21:02:42] | clever: | Aval0n: if i make the video more narrow at capture time(<500 pixels wide) it will go off the edge |
| [21:02:44] | Dibblah: | iamlindoro: Soon (tm) |
| [21:02:46] | dustybin: | http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-th . . . of-the-week/ |
| [21:03:00] | clever: | Aval0n: its on the pvr150 even in framegrabbing mode |
| [21:03:00] | Aval0n: | eek |
| [21:03:00] | iamlindoro_: | Dibblah: Doesn't help me any, but cool to have something like that coming down the line |
| [21:03:13] | clever: | Aval0n: it feels like a bit of damage to the video decoding |
| [21:03:21] | iamlindoro_: | For HD-PVR fans, there is also a competing unit coming out that is, like the HDHomeRun, network attached |
| [21:03:27] | clever: | probly why the card was returned |
| [21:03:33] | Aval0n: | more than likely |
| [21:03:52] | PatrickDK: | iam, that would be nice |
| [21:04:01] | clever: | but the cpu usage is still way way better then the bttv card |
| [21:04:08] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: yeah, www.pvrcompanion.com |
| [21:04:21] | clever: | dmz: whipe the bios settings? |
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| [21:04:24] | Aval0n: | I lost interest in alot of my hdtv/htpc stuff too after growing to hate my plasma |
| [21:04:35] | PatrickDK: | hdhomerun can tune analog too can't it? |
| [21:04:43] | Aval0n: | plasma have issues with horizontal bleeding in areas that differ in contrast |
| [21:04:46] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: e-mailed the guy, and they will release it with full source for all their chips so that you can hack it to your heart's content (ie let it do encodes of existing material, etc.) |
| [21:04:46] | Aval0n: | I went to costco |
| [21:04:57] | Aval0n: | pioners panasonic samsung all the sets were doing it |
| [21:05:00] | clever: | Aval0n: my tv realy needs overscan |
| [21:05:07] | Aval0n: | and I hate knowing about it because I always watch for it |
| [21:05:08] | clever: | if i have a solid white and black bars on screen |
| [21:05:12] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: I don't think so, I think just ATSC/Digital |
| [21:05:14] | clever: | i can realy see the whole thing bending |
| [21:05:25] | Aval0n: | hmm |
| [21:05:28] | PatrickDK: | heh |
| [21:05:36] | clever: | 4:3 crt based tv |
| [21:05:52] | clever: | a button on the remote will make it act like 6:9 |
| [21:06:05] | PatrickDK: | hmm, mjpeg compression :( |
| [21:06:09] | clever: | basicaly grabing the V-size knob on the screen and cranking it down |
| [21:06:27] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: Mjpeg2000, it should actually look pretty good |
| [21:06:33] | clever: | just crushes the image to a 6:9 shape |
| [21:06:52] | PatrickDK: | but then I would have to deal with .nuv files :) |
| [21:06:55] | dmz: | clever i've wiped bios, reflashed the bios, ... i think the board is going but it is very wierd |
| [21:07:01] | clever: | dmz: :( |
| [21:07:06] | dmz: | i may just stick a disk in it & be done with it for a while |
| [21:07:15] | dmz: | just gotta decide what distro for frontend |
| [21:07:23] | clever: | the main system i use on nfsroot has a dying harddrive |
| [21:07:26] | clever: | purely for swap |
| [21:07:27] | dmz: | loading ramdisk via flash disk takes about 10Min |
| [21:07:28] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: Not *necessarily*, since it will be streaming over the network, it won't be coming raw-- it should come as a transport stream |
| [21:07:41] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: and should therefore be a MPG |
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| [21:07:49] | PatrickDK: | ah, works for me :) |
| [21:08:18] | PatrickDK: | looks like it takes 12v power too, a + |
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| [21:11:03] | PatrickDK: | defently something I would go for then |
| [21:11:22] | iamlindoro_: | Yeah, would be fun to play with at the very least |
| [21:11:36] | PatrickDK: | I think it could use some more groundplanes on that board |
| [21:11:40] | PatrickDK: | but it looks nice and clean |
| [21:11:44] | iamlindoro_: | The guy seemed very nice, very on the up and up... mentioned he should have source out and publicly avaialble in a few weeks |
| [21:12:09] | iamlindoro_: | PatrickDK: yeah, he mentioned that it was just the development unit, and that the end result would be much most consumer friendly |
| [21:12:12] | iamlindoro_: | er much more |
| [21:12:37] | PatrickDK: | I'm just worried about emi :) |
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| [21:12:50] | PatrickDK: | nothing better than my rf busy house killing the crap out of things |
| [21:14:18] | iamlindoro_: | heh |
| [21:14:18] | dustybin: | "And yes, it does grow at the cost of Microsoft, but that's called ’competition’. It doesn't make it 'cancer' any more than it ever made it 'un-American'." – Linus Torvalds |
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| [21:15:17] | PatrickDK: | is that a 4 input model? |
| [21:15:27] | PatrickDK: | hard to dell with a direct downward pic |
| [21:15:37] | sid3windr: | hard to dell, heh |
| [21:15:45] | PatrickDK: | tell |
| [21:15:46] | iamlindoro_: | No, lots of ports for the development board, it's just going to be single input |
| [21:15:54] | PatrickDK: | ah |
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| [21:16:44] | iamlindoro_: | Also going to (per David, the guy designing it) be a bit more expensive than the Hauppauge, but for the totally open platform it might appeal to people |
| [21:17:22] | PatrickDK: | my only issue is, I have had pci conflicts with the hauppauge cards |
| [21:17:30] | PatrickDK: | as much as it's fun to solve, it is annoyin |
| [21:17:34] | iamlindoro_: | and the fact that there will be open source code for all the compression chips, and it's just a linux PC on ARM, might make it a sexy little encode engine |
| [21:17:37] | PatrickDK: | so I'm all about external and standalone :) |
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| [21:25:12] | dustybin: | http://gizmodo.com/5027302/how-to-get-refunde . . . ckaged-vista |
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| [21:37:32] | DarkDrgn2k: | Hey guys, for some reson my OSD is a little shaky, running 21 |
| [21:37:34] | DarkDrgn2k: | any ideas |
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| [21:39:11] | iamlindoro_: | don't use Bob as your deinterlacer |
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| [21:39:43] | DarkDrgn2k: | umm where is the de interlacing option now a days/ |
| [21:39:54] | iamlindoro_: | In playback profiles |
| [21:40:16] | iamlindoro_: | Utiltities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback, Page three, edit each rule, second page of each. |
| [21:40:26] | iamlindoro_: | I really ought to put that in a macro for as often as I have to type it |
| [21:40:36] | DarkDrgn2k: | thre it is.. blobx2 |
| [21:40:38] | DarkDrgn2k: | :-P |
| [21:40:47] | DarkDrgn2k: | whats should i use? |
| [21:40:56] | iamlindoro_: | Something not Bob |
| [21:41:00] | DarkDrgn2k: | wait.. the TV is interlaced.. should i still deinterlace it? |
| [21:41:07] | iamlindoro_: | yes |
| [21:41:32] | iamlindoro_: | but you can try none if you like... just use, as I said, "not Bob" |
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| [21:41:59] | DarkDrgn2k: | lol understand. i was just wondering if i should deinterlace it if its gonna be displayerd interlaced thatsa sll |
| [21:42:24] | iamlindoro_: | If you haven't cooked up an interlaced modeline for X, then yes, you should still deinterlace |
| [21:42:36] | iamlindoro_: | but you can experiment as you like |
| [21:42:39] | DarkDrgn2k: | nop no cooking |
| [21:43:32] | DarkDrgn2k: | wow that woked :-P |
| [21:43:43] | DarkDrgn2k: | (not that i doughted it) |
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| [21:44:30] | DarkDrgn2k: | why is the tv guide freeze up after i scroll a few screens... |
| [21:45:23] | DarkDrgn2k: | hmm not doing it now.. wierd |
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| [21:53:41] | kormoc: | DarkDrgn2k, you had angered the gods! |
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| [21:53:59] | DarkDrgn2k: | probably :-P |
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| [22:50:12] | kali67: | Hi, I'm using pchdtv-5500 to record HdTV . ffmpeg errors out while trying to encode to flash with "Resampling with input channels greater than 2 unsupported.Can't resample. Aborting". This used to work well with Analog recording. Any suggestions ? |
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| [23:18:19] | iamlindoro: | ColdFyre: Because your cable company has turned on 5C on those channels, and won't let you record from them |
| [23:18:31] | iamlindoro: | not via firewire, anyway |
| [23:18:33] | ColdFyre: | aye |
| [23:19:11] | ColdFyre: | are there work arounds for this or do i call and yell at my cable co |
| [23:19:56] | iamlindoro: | no, no work arounds, and yelling won't do any good, they don't want you to have perfect digital copies and they won't let you get them. |
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| [23:20:50] | ColdFyre: | longshot, but have you heard of directv following that practice, too? |
| [23:21:33] | iamlindoro: | The better question is, are there any Dtv receivers with firewire |
| [23:21:46] | ColdFyre: | that too |
| [23:21:50] | iamlindoro: | (no) |
| [23:22:33] | ColdFyre: | i thought i read on some myth forum that there were..but they were only kinda supported |
| [23:22:57] | iamlindoro: | You can pay someone 600–800 to mod it with a firewire out, and there is no official myth support, you would need to patch it to do so |
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| [23:41:33] | iamlindoro: | Well... would you look at that... that "thing" that everyone's clamoring about on -users more or less exists in a little myth companion daemon I had never heard of. |
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| [23:44:02] | abqjp: | http://www.geektonic.com/2008/07/dvb-version- . . . as-soon.html |
| [23:44:31] | iamlindoro: | abqjp: yeah, we were chatting about that one earlier today-- neat! |
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| [23:50:13] | iamlindoro: | Actually a number of neat little devices coming soon-- sort of an exciting time, people are finally starting to work around the various limitations imposed by the cloven-hoofed |
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| [23:56:01] | abqjp: | http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/080717/20080717005244.html?.v=1 |
| [23:56:36] | abqjp: | Kinda neat to be able to download Olympic events "on demand". Especially since it is free (for directv customers with the right equipment). |
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