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kormoc:

Any PHP devs in the greater seattle area looking for work?

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MartinCleaver_:

Ok. Finally I have Mythtv working with DVB

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SHADOW__X:

would anyone know why after i installed the v4l driver and the right firmware my hvr 1800 analog output is in slowmotion

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kormoc:

it wants you to notice the exceptional detail level it's displaying?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm sure but can i speed it up

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kormoc:

not without hurting it's feelings and causing it to cry wet little bits all over the floor

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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SHADOW__X:

so no idea huh

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kormoc:

exactly

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SHADOW__X:

hmm i have read on other cards that they have to set the audio sampling to 48khz does that apply here or could i

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SHADOW__X:

t

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kormoc:

that would affect the audio, but not the video

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kormoc:

but doesn't hurt to try

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SHADOW__X:

hmm right forgot about vid

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SHADOW__X:

i was talking to mkrufky on it but i havnt talked to him in about 2 days or so

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MartinCleaver_:

Hmm. Why is playback so CPU intensive?

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SHADOW__X:

for?

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MartinCleaver_:

DVB playback

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SHADOW__X:

is it a hd channel

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SHADOW__X:

?

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MartinCleaver_:

85% on frontend

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MartinCleaver_:

yes

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kindofoutofit:

is it worse than just playing the video file with mplayer or something?

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SHADOW__X:

what processor do you have

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MartinCleaver_:

Q6600 quad core, 4gb ram

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MartinCleaver_:

I have 3 cores free,

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MartinCleaver_:

so I'm not overly stressed ;)

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MartinCleaver_:

I didn't compare with plain mplayer

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MartinCleaver_:

though I wish mythtv didn't force fullscreen

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kindofoutofit:

it doesnt?

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MartinCleaver_:

Like: "I was using that screen, actually"

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MartinCleaver_:

How do you set it?

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MartinCleaver_:

I lack the window resize tool

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kindofoutofit:

er.... from command line: mythfrontend --geometry WxH

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MartinCleaver_:

what I like to do is resize it according to how interested I am in what's playing

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MartinCleaver_:

so resize down during live tv's ads

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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SHADOW__X:

would you like it to "know" when to record also

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MartinCleaver_:

no, just give me a resize handle

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kindofoutofit:

try mythfrontend -w

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kindofoutofit:

i think that makes it run in windowed mode

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MartinCleaver_:

hmm

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MartinCleaver_:

I'll try that in 3 mins

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MartinCleaver_:

when this telly program finishes

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MartinCleaver_:

Can I run the frontend on my mac, and leave the backend on my server?

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SHADOW__X:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Myth_on_Mac_OS_X

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MartinCleaver_:

thanks

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SHADOW__X:

mhm

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SHADOW__X:

searching is your friend

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MartinCleaver_:

-w doesn't help

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MartinCleaver_:

its windowed, but still unresizable

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** MartinCleaver_ laughs at the toilet paper icon **

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MartinCleaver_:

ok – am off for a walk

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MartinCleaver_:

see you

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samubuntu:

first time setup i get "cannot login into database" help

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samubuntu:

also get "no UPnP backend found" error

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kormoc:

might want to read the ubuntu pages in the wiki

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samubuntu:

where can i find that?

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kormoc:

http://wiki.mythtv.org

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famicom:

eh

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famicom:

not sure if anyone remembers

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kormoc:

42

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famicom:

but we were discussing hard/soft raid

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famicom:

http://www.linux.com/feature/140734

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samubuntu:

can anyone help me?

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samubuntu:

first time setup i get "cannot login into database" and "no UPnP backend found" error

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samubuntu:

beside point to web site

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famicom:

yeah

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famicom:

your database is fucked

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famicom:

apt-get install --reinstall mythtv-database

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famicom:

oh

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famicom:

and rm -r ~/.mythtv

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famicom:

then try again

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famicom:

if that doesnt fix it

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famicom:

READ THE GODDAMN MANUAL

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famicom:

which happens to be conveniently located at the website

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kindofoutofit:

rawr

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mzb_d800:

hi all, GreyFoxx told me the other day that I'd be able to setup a new Storage Group in mythtv-setup, and that my method of hacking new groups into the db was *bad*

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mzb_d800:

however, I'm unable to create a group using the suggested method

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mzb_d800:

only options I can see are create LiveTV, create DB Backups, or delete a group (m)

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mzb_d800:

anybody got any suggestions?

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Captain_Murdoch:

mzb_d800, is this a slave backend?

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mzb_d800:

yes

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Captain_Murdoch:

you need to create new groups on the master backend first

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mzb_d800:

(and has all the tuners too)

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mzb_d800:

ah

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Captain_Murdoch:

because the master needs to know about them in order to schedule storage.

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mzb_d800:

ok, thanks

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mzb_d800:

I'll give that a go

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Captain_Murdoch:

yw

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abqjp:

Also a good read for RAID: http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html

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mzb_d800:

I'm not using raid on this machine

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PatrickDK:

abqjp, most of his points are pointless

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** kormoc wonders how a point can be pointless **

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PatrickDK:

it just doesn't apply anymore

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PatrickDK:

it is comparing current day linux software-raid to 10–15year old hardware raid

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PatrickDK:

the part that really makes hardwaire raid good is the battery backup

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PatrickDK:

now you could do battery backup on anything, but they don't

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mzb_d800:

hmm Captain_Murdoch, that doesn't work quite the way I'd expected

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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mzb_d800:

I can't add a group without adding a dir to it

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Dagmar:

Now we're expected to have UPSes so having a battery backed up cache on a RAID rack-mountable just doesn't happen anymore

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mzb_d800:

the master backend has no (local) storage

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abqjp:

In the context of Myth, why go with hardware RAID? Software RAID is plenty fast enough, and MUCH cheaper. I do have a UPS on my computer, though.

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Dagmar:

Mind you, the last time I actually *did* see this, it was a *dizzying* 64Mb of battery backed cache

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mzb_d800:

(all dirs are nfs mounted in the same location on all machines)

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Dagmar:

*snicker*

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, ups is no subsitute for a bbu

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: For what the battery-backed cache was doing it is

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PatrickDK:

the whole point of the bbu is that writes don't have to be flushed to disk, speeding up write speed of your applications

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PatrickDK:

you don't get that speedup by using a ups

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Dagmar:

No, that's just plain old disk caching

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PatrickDK:

and if you do, you risk all the data on your box

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PatrickDK:

but you can't safely cache writes without a battery backed memory

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Captain_Murdoch:

mzb_d800, can the master see the dirs, if you you're ok creating the group on just the master. even if the master can't see the dirs, I think I coded that so that it would work anyway if the slaves can see them. the slaves will use the master's groups if they don't have their own group defined, they 'inherit' from the master unless you override them.

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Dagmar:

The ones that were backed up by batteries had that cache there so should hte power suddenly go bye-bye you didn' get a partial write on your (woowoo) 32Gb array

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mzb_d800:

ok, I'll try it out, thanks again

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, it's more than that

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Dagmar:

A UPS can and will serve that same function, by keeping power there just long enough for the box to flush the buffers

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PatrickDK:

it's so when the power comes back on

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PatrickDK:

it finishes writing

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: That would be non-volatile cache

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PatrickDK:

you would have to have a computer designed for that then

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PatrickDK:

I haven't seen any servers made for that

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Dagmar:

No just a disk array designed to do it.

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Dagmar:

I have

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Dagmar:

I'm basically describing edge.net's old NNTP server and the replacement before they went to GigaNews or whatever

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PatrickDK:

hmm, my netapps aren't, but they probably have something built-in I bet

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compbrain:

Anyone doing/know of resources related to MythTV with Intel X3100 video with 1080p output?

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, oh heh, the nice solid-state-arrays do that :)

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Dagmar:

congbrain: wiki.mythtv.org

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PatrickDK:

they save all of their 32–256gigs of stuff onto harddrives when the power goes out

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Considering I accidentally unplugged it one night, I'm real familiar with what it was doing. :)

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PatrickDK:

I hadn't used any of them

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PatrickDK:

or maybe I just glossed over the specs cause I didn't care about that part of it

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Dagmar:

Could be

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Lexridge:

Hi all.....Is MythWeb capable of streaming live TV? I know that it can stream recorded material, but what about live programming?

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Dagmar:

Not particularly, no.

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PatrickDK:

I have to design and mock up bgp stuff for work tomorrow

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Lexridge:

dagmar: was that directed at me?

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Lexridge:

Is there anything out there that will do a real time transcode from mpg to flv and stream that using mythtv?

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Lexridge:

was it something I said?

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kormoc:

Lexridge, mythweb

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compbrain:

Dagmar: Anything specific there? The MacMini stuff doesn't really apply, and most people are talking 720p

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Lexridge:

kormoc: I just got it working today, after I believe your suggestion last night. Is that a dirty word around here?

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kormoc:

Lexridge, why would you say it's a dirty word?

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** kormoc blinks **

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Lexridge:

kormoc: lol, because the whole channel went dead after I mentioned it....I was just joking actually.

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kormoc:

mythweb has a built in flv player ala youtube

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Lexridge:

kormoc: so can mythweb stream live tv or not? If so, can it do on the fly transcoding to flv format?

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kormoc:

if it's recording, it can stream it, but it can't start the recording for you

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kormoc:

real livetv stuff is a ways out given noone seems to want to work on it

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Lexridge:

kormoc: I was just thinking this could be a real slingbox killer if it can

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** kormoc heads home **

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Lexridge:

kormoc: oh, ic

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Lexridge:

kormoc: I seem to remember seeing a video on google a few months back with an author of a mythtv book who was talking about doing just this thing. Perhaps I should look up that video again.

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kormoc:

feel free

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kormoc:

I'll be back in a hour or so

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Lexridge:

thanks man

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Lexridge:

oh yea, I'm having another "severe" issue when running mythv or mythfrontend on one monitor, while using firefox on the other....Xorg locks up totally, but not the entire system.

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Lexridge:

I can still ssh into my system another machine, and kill X.. then I am presented with a login screen (kdm) again.

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Lexridge:

I've been suspecting the nvidia closed driver may be the cause, but I cannot prove it at this point.

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Lexridge:

It could also be a firefox plugin causing it. Anyone have any ideas on how to debug this issue?

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Dagmar:

You could always upgrade to a non-ancient build of MythTV.

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Dagmar:

This is something that used to happen with 0.20 in certain configurations.

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bsdfox:

Lexridge: what nvidia drivers are you using?

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bsdfox:

I had problems like that with the 100.xx series

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Lexridge:

lemme check

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Dagmar:

It would help if you mentioned *when* this crash occurs.

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Lexridge:

this is the nvidia version: 169.07

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Lexridge:

mythtv version 0.21

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: I can't nail down "when" the crash occurs. It's completely random.

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Lexridge:

but, It seems to happen the most when firefox is fully expanded. If not, then I can sometimes just ctl-alt-backspace out of X and relogin before the deadlock occurs.

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Dagmar:

I'm sure you can be more specific than "when the power is on"

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Dagmar:

If it's happening when you're not running MythTV then it's not a MythTV problem.

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Lexridge:

I have two monitors....one, a SVHS input TV running in 800x600 with mythtv, the other is a WS monitor running 1440x900

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Lexridge:

it only happens with running mythtv.

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Lexridge:

I'm using FC6 on an athlon X2 64 4200 CPU with 2GB memory.

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Dagmar:

So, which nVidia card?

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Lexridge:

nvidia 6800/256MB video card

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Lexridge:

PCI

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Lexridge:

sorry, AGP

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Lexridge:

Like I said, it only kills Xorg, and not anything else.

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Lexridge:

but once it's dead, a ctl+alt+backspace cannot recover it.

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Lexridge:

mouse still moves however.

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bsdfox:

anyone got a nice suspend-while-idle setup?

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Lexridge:

Dagmar: I am also using a realtime kernel patch.

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Lexridge:

...only because I use Linux for multitrack recording with qtractor.

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Lexridge:

does anyone else here use a dual monitor configuration and could test this?

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Dagmar:

The kernel capabilities module handles that in the latest kernels.

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Lexridge:

dagmar: handles what? Preemptive realtime?

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Dagmar:

Realtime priority processes.

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Lexridge:

this is the kernel I'm using: 2.6.24.4-rt4

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Lexridge:

opps, cut it off: 2.6.24.4-rt4 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Sat Apr 5 16:28:52 EDT 2008 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

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Lexridge:

so you are saying I don't need to be using a realtime patch?

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Lexridge:

FYI, /var/log/messages does not report anything about these lockups.

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Lexridge:

well, It is not MythTV. I just had it happen while running VLC full screen on monitor 2 and a full screen firefox on monitor 1. so it's either Xorg or Nvidia for sure!

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Lexridge:

or Firefox

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SHADOW__X:

try konquerer then since your running kdm

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Lexridge:

good idea. I will try that

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Lexridge:

SHADOW__X: So far, it has not locked up, but I can see that the image performance of konqueror is getting very sluggish, like it's trying to crash. VLC is now flashing a little too.

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Dagmar:

Take out the RT patch, I'd say.

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Lexridge:

I'll try booting another kernel (non-rt) and see what happens. I'll let you know my results by saturday sometime. Early day and late nite planed for Friday, and I'm about to fall asleep as it is.

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Lexridge:

thanks guys for your assistance. I really appreciate the input.

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MartinCleaver_:

When watching live tv, how do I get mythtv to turn down the volume until the commercials end?

[04:17:03]

Dagmar:

You push [ or volume-down on your remote control, and when the commercial ends you push ] or volume-up on your remote control.

[04:17:20]

cesman:

MartinCleaver_: http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t= . . . ume+leveling

[04:19:38]

MartinCleaver_:

hmm. thanks

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cesman:

hmm. you're welcome

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mzb_d800:

ok ... I think I've got the storage group issue sorted (had to fix tuner issue as well)

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mzb_d800:

now, is there a *nice* way of moving recordings from one storage group to another? (and have the DB updated)

[04:28:48]

mzb_d800:

*en masse* ?

[04:29:45]

mzb_d800:

or do I need to write a script to move files from one dir to another *and* update the db manually?

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: are you talking about the ability to use more than one "dir" (or drive) to store recordings?

[04:33:46]

fryfrog:

if so, i'm pretty sure that the BE "finds" them each time it tries to use one by simply looking for it, so if you move it elsewhere (assuming to another storage group location) i am *pretty* sure it'll just work.

[04:33:57]

fryfrog:

easy theory to test, fortunatly :)

[04:34:50]

mzb_d800:

fryfrog: no ... I realise I can move files around within the same storage group ... what I want to do is move (a large amount of) recordings from one group to another

[04:35:00]

mzb_d800:

ie: different dir AND different group

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mzb_d800:

I guess the easiest way is just move files and update the db with a script ... I can't imagine mythtv doing all the hard work for me ;)

[04:37:41]

SHADOW__X:

lol

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mzb_d800:

(not that I'm not grateful for all the hard work it *DOES* do!;))

[04:42:16]

SHADOW__X:

:)

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SHADOW__X:

i am gonna need more storage

[04:49:56]

SHADOW__X:

:(

[04:50:23]

SHADOW__X:

it records faster than i can watch

[04:51:29]

SHADOW__X:

mzb_d800: for the storage group thing i can just drop a new hd in and tell it to record on there instead

[04:51:29]

SHADOW__X:

?

[04:51:35]

edman007:

SHADOW__X, your not alone

[04:52:12]

mzb_d800:

SHADOW__X: that's the idea ... except I want to move old recordings (Default) to a new storage group (Keepers)

[04:52:25]

mzb_d800:

there's quite a size difference in the two drives

[04:52:30]

SHADOW__X:

yeah i have to say i have never really been exposed to a pvr before but this is fantastic

[04:52:56]

SHADOW__X:

right i understand mzb_d800 it seems like there isnt a dedicated option for that

[04:53:03]

SHADOW__X:

but it does make sense to have it

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: why do you have multiple recording groups and dirs? (i only use one dir, serious question)

[04:53:32]

mzb_d800:

because I want Keepers, Alicia and Default storage groups

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mzb_d800:

Default and Alicia have autoexpire

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fryfrog:

so you assign auto-expire to the group instead of on a per recording schedule basis?

[04:54:28]

fryfrog:

i guess i don't know how to really take advantage of groups and dirs :)

[04:54:38]

SHADOW__X:

lol

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mzb_d800:

no ... I just want to ensure that all recordings in each group are of the same type

[04:54:48]

SHADOW__X:

in how long to recordings just delete themselves

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fryfrog:

ah

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mzb_d800:

eg. all (or most) of the recordings in Alicia will autotranscode and autoexpire

[04:55:15]

fryfrog:

i have to confess... i still don't really get it / see the point :)

[04:55:32]

mzb_d800:

Alicia wants "her own drive" ;)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

so when she looks at recordings, she only sees hers?

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mzb_d800:

no

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fryfrog:

ie, filter for "alicia" recording group?

[04:55:59]

fryfrog:

oh

[04:56:02]

fryfrog:

humm :p

[04:56:03]

SHADOW__X:

hmm

[04:56:06]

fryfrog:

okay, i give up :)

[04:56:10]

mzb_d800:

:)

[04:56:21]

mzb_d800:

it's getting complicated, I know

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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mzb_d800:

I had 4 drives in the Default group

[04:56:51]

mzb_d800:

and to some extent autoexpire works

[04:56:52]

mzb_d800:

however

[04:57:08]

mzb_d800:

a lot of the "Keepers" are spread all over the place

[04:57:23]

mzb_d800:

and this becomes a problem on some of the smaller drives

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mzb_d800:

as the autoexpire amount (size in GB) applies to all drives individually, not collectively

[04:58:05]

fryfrog:

ah, that could kidn of suck

[04:58:15]

mzb_d800:

it got to the stage where programmes where being recorded, and then instantly expire

[04:58:16]

fryfrog:

you set 100G and your 1TB drive is fine, but your 250G has a ton of wasted space

[04:58:41]

mzb_d800:

even though there would be 100GB free on another drive

[04:58:44]

mzb_d800:

got to be a real pain

[04:58:52]

mzb_d800:

so now I'm splitting it up to avoid this

[04:59:05]

mzb_d800:

Keepers, Default (inc LiveTV), and Alicia

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW__X: that is a common ailment of mythtv users

[04:59:29]

mzb_d800:

that way ... even if I fill Keepers and Default, I wont get negative WAF ;)))

[04:59:49]

SHADOW__X:

waf?

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fryfrog:

my solution is a single dir, on a single raid5 array :)

[04:59:56]

fryfrog:

wife acceptance factor

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wagnerrp:

nice

[05:00:09]

SHADOW__X:

and yeah wagnerrp i am working on solutions

[05:00:14]

SHADOW__X:

nice

[05:00:28]

wagnerrp:

ive got 3.6TB, and growing.... :)

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fryfrog:

wagnerrp: nice, all one array or a collection of different sizes?

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SHADOW__X:

hmm spread on drives raid array way

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mzb_d800:

A single dir still wouldn't solve my problem ... I now have 500+500+750+160 (just did s/60/750 today)

[05:01:12]

wagnerrp:

one 3TB array on my file server, another 2x300GB individual drives on my backend

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SHADOW__X:

if you dont mind me asking how do you have your 3tb array mounted

[05:01:41]

SHADOW__X:

nfs?

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: time to standardise :)

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wagnerrp:

nfs, yes

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fryfrog:

in my case, it is in my BE

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: to what?

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fryfrog:

8x 320G + 2x80G (system, raid1)

[05:02:20]

fryfrog:

mzb_d800: drives of the same size ;)

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mzb_d800:

I get drives when I can afford them ... don't have the luxury of doing that

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SHADOW__X:

hmm right now i just put in my 750

[05:02:48]

SHADOW__X:

so i just have 1 750

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: yeah, i know what you mean

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mzb_d800:

(WAF as well;))

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: I originally built my array with 5x 320G

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fryfrog:

but with linux kernel raid, you can expand it on the fly

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mzb_d800:

I started with 2x60G + 160G ;)

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fryfrog:

i added 1 drive, then a few months later added 2 more

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SHADOW__X:

nice

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mzb_d800:

yeah, raid5 doesn't suit me

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fryfrog:

you like living on the edge? raid0 or nothing? :)

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mzb_d800:

I'm using a p3 800 on a mobo with hpt raid (non-raid mode)

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wagnerrp:

hpt?

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fryfrog:

ah, that might not be the best for a softraid :/

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fryfrog:

high point

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mzb_d800:

means that I get ata100 speeds out of an at66 board, without saturating the PCI bus

[05:05:07]

mzb_d800:

spreading recordings over multiple drives is the only form of safety I have atm

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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mzb_d800:

until I can afford a purpose-built BE, this is the way it works

[05:05:38]

mzb_d800:

(it's pretty much made out of scrap)

[05:05:45]

mzb_d800:

(as are all the FE's;))

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SHADOW__X:

so how can i tell when a recording is going to auto exppire

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fryfrog:

mzb_d800: you want a cheap, fairly awesome BE motherboard and cpus?

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SHADOW__X:

hey mzb_d800 something is better than nothing

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wagnerrp:

yeah, most of my server-tasked hardware is just parts from old desktops

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mzb_d800:

SHADOW__X: there's an auto-expire list on the info page

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: offering? ;)

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fryfrog:

I've got an Asus PC-DL Deluxe w/ 2x 2.4ghz Xeons and 1G ram that I'm not using at all

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SHADOW__X:

on the fe or on mythweb

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wagnerrp:

cheap?

[05:07:02]

wagnerrp:

na...

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: that'd be an improvement! (and a half;)

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fryfrog:

I was thinking $150ish

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mzb_d800:

US?

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fryfrog:

and i'll throw in a pair of extra cpus if i can find em

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wagnerrp:

oh, selling, not suggesting

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fryfrog:

yar, USD

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fryfrog:

yeah, selling

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wagnerrp:

socket 604 or 771?

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fryfrog:

they are fairly old, so i think 604

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mzb_d800:

fryfrog: pm?

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wagnerrp:

P4 xeons

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fryfrog:

help yourself

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fryfrog:

yeah, P4 Xeons

[05:08:09]

fryfrog:

they aren't the *best*

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fryfrog:

but they sure as fuck would pound the shit out of a P3 800 :)

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they sure as fuck pound the shit out of my dual P3 1GHz

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fryfrog:

ahha

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wagnerrp:

of course my board has a faulty ata controller

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fryfrog:

Hell, I'd probably *trade* it for a ~4000+ 939 X2 CPU

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wagnerrp:

love them netsplits

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fryfrog:

fyi: shipping from US -> AU omfg expensive

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SHADOW__X:

how much do tell

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fryfrog:

fedex and ups, for 10lbs ~$200

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fryfrog:

usps says ~$40

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SHADOW__X:

wow

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fryfrog:

i was very surprised :/

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SHADOW__X:

so you save 160 bucks

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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fryfrog:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

hmm go them

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fryfrog:

save 160 bucks and *gain* possibly it never getting there ;P

[05:37:34]

SHADOW__X:

hmm true you could get insurance

[05:37:54]

fryfrog:

yeah, probably a good idea

[05:38:35]

SHADOW__X:

there is delivery confirmation too

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fryfrog:

yah yah

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SHADOW__X:

i would load it up on there to make sure it gets there

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SHADOW__X:

but i also have never shipped anything overseas

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SHADOW__X:

accross afew states yeah

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wagnerrp:

well if it does get there, it will probably take 4–6 weeks

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

hell of alot quicker performace though

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SHADOW__X:

in mythweb can i tell when recordings are going to auto expire or is that only of the fe

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wagnerrp:

i dont know of any way to check that in mythweb

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SHADOW__X:

so just in fe

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SHADOW__X:

under the info part correct

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, i always delete things after watching them

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wagnerrp:

so ive never checked

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SHADOW__X:

same here the pile of stuff to watch is growing faster than i can watch

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dmb:

hello

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dmb:

how can i tell mythtv to run its set up wizard windowed, or at a specific resolution?

[07:20:14]

dmb:

i tried -w, but it seems to ignore that

[07:20:24]

dmb:

it goes full screen to a mode my vid card can't handle

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Tanthrix:

Myth shouldn't be doing anything your video card can't handle with regards to resolution. When it runs full screen it's just taking up all the space available on screen, not changing the resolution of X.

[07:28:52]

Tanthrix:

More likely is you don't have gl setup properly and it's crashing as a result – try doing mythfrontend -O UseOpenGLPainter=0

[07:29:11]

dmb:

that will probably work, i actually have a buggy video card driver

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dmb:

nope, still an issue

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asmussen:

You might try --geometry WXH also

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Tanthrix:

dmb: Try mythfrontend -O ThemePainter="qt" instead

[07:30:37]

dmb:

interestingly enough, none of those worked

[07:30:55]

dmb:

it goes in this weird mode where the screen is scrambled until i kill mythfrontend

[07:30:56]

Tanthrix:

Spend the $5 on a proper nvidia card then and be done with it. ;)

[07:31:23]

dmb:

i actually like ati's linux support a bit better, just this latest fglrx version is a bit whacked

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dmb:

at least they opened up there specs :D

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dmb:

is it possible start it windowed though, so that problem won't occur?

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Tanthrix:

Nvidia can make a burning effigy of Tux for all I care. I like my video cards working. ;)

[07:32:22]

Tanthrix:

Yah, there should be.

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dmb:

--help says -w, but it still runs full screen for that setup wizard

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dmb:

brb

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SHADOW__X:

has anyone had their mpeg encoder display the output in slowmotion

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Ace2016:

hi all

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waxhead:

hey Ace2016

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Ace2016:

:)

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sebrock:

Mmm frontend doesnt work with remote after a resume from suspend to RAM

[10:54:56]

sebrock:

anyway around that, I have to restart the frontend every time... kinda makes the whole idea useless...

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ivor:

whats the remote?

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ivor:

serial/on-card/or other?

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sebrock:

its the imon pad

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sebrock:

built in a silverstone case

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ivor:

guess there's a bug in the driver for it then. anything interesting get logged when it suspends/resumes.

[11:00:16]

sebrock:

works perfect, except no connection to frontend upon resume. irw shows that it IS working however

[11:00:39]

ivor:

eh. irw is showing keypresses?

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sebrock:

the problem should be with mythfrontend not connecting to lirc anymore

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sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

it works... not just with myth

[11:01:20]

ivor:

are you using ir-> keypresses or the native myth lirc integration?

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sebrock:

ir to keypresses I guess... using a lircrc if that what you mean

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ivor:

probably myth losing focus on resume perhaps?

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sebrock:

yup

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sebrock:

If I restart the frontend its back

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sebrock:

but that defeats the idea of a suspend imo

[11:02:47]

ivor:

1. try with native lirc supprt. 2 use a mouse/kbd/something to give myth focus and retry. 3. find another way of making sure myth keeps focus

[11:02:51]

ivor:

clearly

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sebrock:

what is the native support_

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sebrock:

ah you mean focus as window focus_

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sebrock:

a standard keyboard works fine, even if plugged in afterwards

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sebrock:

brb

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sebrock:

is not window focus

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sebrock:

irw gives output, keyboard works, remote does not

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sebrock:

And apparently I use native support already

[11:11:05]

ivor:

in that case.... get lots of info and file a bug. :)

[11:11:13]

ivor:

anything interesting in the myth logs after resume

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ivor:

?

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Ace2016:

can you write a script to restart the frontend on resume?

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sebrock:

sure that is a solution

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sebrock:

but its kinda ugly

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sebrock:

are you not usiing s3 suspend_

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Dibblah__:

]

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Dibblah__:

Whups :)

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sebrock:

must be a lot of people experiecing the same thing no?

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Dibblah__:

No. It works fine for me.

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sebrock:

brb with logs

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Dibblah__:

Do you have a window manager?

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sebrock:

what remote do you use_

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sebrock:

yes

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sebrock:

its mythbuntu

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sebrock:

and it uses...

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Dibblah:

mceusb2...

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sebrock:

mm... got imon PAD

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ivor:

never tried suspend personally. just power off. should give it a go sometime

[11:20:03]

sebrock:

nothing in logs

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ivor:

I'll put it on my todo list along with playing with powering off the backend.

[11:20:29]

ivor:

or not. :)

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sebrock:

hoho you should see my todo+list

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sebrock:

grows by the day

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ivor:

is that with verbose logging.

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sebrock:

yes

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ivor:

heah I just keep losing mine.

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ivor:

ok

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sebrock:

damn it this is disturbing

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ivor:

my fe is fanless, diskless, quick boot, so I just power it on and off each time.

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waxhead:

I have a dual tuner, mythtv just kicked off a recording and I can't watch tv on the other tuner...

[11:27:44]

ivor:

make a cup of tea instead?

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waxhead:

mythtv-status shows this: mediacentre (2) – Recording mediacentre (1) – Watching LiveTV

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waxhead:

what the?? ohh.... it's recording two shows...

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waxhead:

that's odd...

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jeffery:

mzb_d800, ping

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sebrock:

ivor what is quick boot exactly?

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ivor:

just mean it boots, er quickly.

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sebrock:

hm

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sebrock:

what is quickly?

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sebrock:

I mean suspend is faster than it takes for the LCD screen to wake up

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ivor:

sure. I wasn't saying it was faster.

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sebrock:

makes it ideal for the frontend

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ivor:

I mean "quick enough for me" :)

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sebrock:

its all relative then

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ivor:

was 50 seconds last time I timed it.... which is usually about the time it's taken me to get comfortable, organise remote controls, shuffle cushions and be ready to watch something. :D

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sebrock:

woohaa thats crazy long

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ivor:

12:32 < ivor> I mean "quick enough for me" :)

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ivor:

and my remote works. :P :P :P

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sebrock:

in that case mine would work aswell

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quicksilver:

my wireless set takes more than 50 seconds to warm up anyway

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quicksilver:

and that's without including the time to feed to donkey to start turning the crank.

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mzb_d800:

jeffery: gday

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mzb_d800:

s/gday/pong/ ;)

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sebrock:

Dibblah, you said you have a working remote after suspend

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sebrock:

do you unload modules or whitelist or anything before suspension?

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Dibblah:

No. That was fixed in a relatively recent version of lirc.

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Dibblah:

(I'm running 0.8.3)

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sebrock:

me too...

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sebrock:

so you are not unloading...

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sebrock:

see I have to do that, and then reload them upon resume otherwise my syslog gets flooded by crap

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sebrock:

Im running pre1 with a lirc driver from pre3

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Termina:

Wow, just read the/a discussion about mythtv and torrent. http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/ . . . /127426.html

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Termina:

What a bunch of assholes

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EvilGuru:

What the...

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Dibblah:

That was random.

[14:01:45]

EvilGuru:

It is funnier when they threaten to work

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EvilGuru:

*fork

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Dibblah:

A fork is a valid option. But only really when the proposer is a long time contributor with 'followers'. Someone like danielk might be able to pull it off, but in this project it seems unlikely. The dev team is fairly cohesive.

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mzb_d800:

as I see it, the discussion is over from a mythtv perspective and so not worth discussing here.

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Dibblah:

Agreed.

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mzb_d800:

sounds like Termina had an agenda

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ajh:

Could someone confirm for me that storage groups are a pool and that if I move all the files from group 1 to group 2 on the filesystem so I can put a bigger drive in on group 1 that all will be fine?

[14:43:47]

ajh:

Turns out I need to also put a mythvideo on each drive so I can get enough space in there :)

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Dibblah:

ajh: Yes.

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ajh:

Phew, thanks that makes things easier. Does the backend need to be down?

[14:46:07]

Dibblah:

Every item in a storage group is searched linearly for each recording.

[14:46:35]

Dibblah:

ie every directory is tried in order for the recording file.

[14:46:51]

Dibblah:

AFAIK, no.

[14:47:02]

Dibblah:

No DB changes needed, just move the files.

[14:47:09]

Dibblah:

But try it first, of course ;)

[14:47:31]

Dibblah:

Shame Mythvideo is not SG aware yet...

[14:47:35]

ajh:

Thanks, once these mpeg2 are all h.264 I'll have more space.

[14:47:54]

ajh:

Really need to get myth to start converting though, every attemp has been pretty unsucessful.

[14:48:08]

** Dibblah want's a Myth compatable h.264 dongle :( **

[14:48:10]

ajh:

Though being able to hand-trim/edit is nice.

[14:48:17]

Dibblah:

wants, even. Sheesh.

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ajh:

Just the stupid macos converter isn't even multithreaded

[14:49:10]

ajh:

Thanks for the help, hopefully I'll clean this up tonight. Mythvideo filled up and happened to be on the same dir as mysql... uh... don't ever let that fill, there's no checking on it.

[14:49:14]

Dibblah:

http://www.adstech.com/products/RDX-160/intro . . . ?pid=RDX-160

[14:50:30]

ajh:

That only does up to 640x480 though.

[14:50:36]

ajh:

Oh, gotta run, meeting.

[14:55:21]

Dibblah:

Hmmm... Interesting. It's got a Cypress bridge in it.

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sebrock:

Dibblah, so basically you are not doing anything to your remote modules_

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Dibblah:

sebrock: Nothing special, no.

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Dibblah:

It is possible that your receiver driver is broken in the same way that the mceusb2 was.

[15:12:29]

sebrock:

Dibblah, I guess so... you dont happen to know what exactly had to be done_

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iamlindoro_:

*Sigh*... why does there always *have* to be some horribly obnoxious conversation on the users list?

[15:34:33]

iamlindoro_:

First Udo, now "Booooo hoo hoo you guys are repressing me by not letting me download w4r3z from mythtv!!"

[15:34:56]

Ace2016:

well i haven't said anything in a while :)

[15:36:09]

Ace2016:

for dvb-t would you go with a log periodic aerial with a mast head amp or the other type of wideband aerial?

[15:37:11]

EvilGuru:

iamlindoro_: The topic the guy linked too was from 2006 — talk about holding grudges

[15:37:50]

iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: Methinks if he had been that motivated he could have learned to WRITE his own BT plugin in that time, guess he doesn't want it *that* bad :)

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EvilGuru:

I swear #mythtv-users and the mailing lists gets more than its fair share of jerks/morons

[15:40:14]

iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2008-July/228604.html

[15:40:22]

iamlindoro_:

Coming soon to a digest near you ;)

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Ace2016:

is it really that hard to add a torrent client? i bet i could do it, it wouldn't be that hard would it?

[15:42:20]

iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: The issue has nothing to do with the difficulty

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: It can be done; it is the legallity that is questionable

[15:42:48]

EvilGuru:

Furthermore, name me one legal use of bittorrent in mythtv

[15:42:52]

Ace2016:

why can't people just download stuff and add it themselves

[15:43:05]

wagnerrp:

asterisk is so much more successful due to torrents, i know i want to control my downloads over the phone

[15:43:17]

Ace2016:

epg data could be torrented? a p2p service that spreads the epg data

[15:43:21]

Ace2016:

that would be awesome!!!

[15:43:42]

Ace2016:

one central server gets epg data and updates the clients via rss, which download thorough torrents

[15:43:53]

Ace2016:

et voila the bandwidth problem is solved

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Stop right there-- There is not, and will never be, any official torrented *anything* in myth. Do not re-open a discussion we have weekly in here, it is OFF-LIMITS discussion and well covered on the wiki page on the IRC channel

[15:44:51]

iamlindoro_:

You can daydream all you like... you just can't do it here.

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Ace2016:

:(

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EvilGuru:

The binary USENET stuff comes up every now and then as well

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iamlindoro_:

Even less of a potentially legal application to that stuff

[15:47:30]

wagnerrp:

i imagine theres some legal stipulation of retransmitting EPG data

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Ace2016:

but everyone needs epg to see whats on

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: and...

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Ace2016:

why not retransmt it?

[15:48:38]

wagnerrp:

because thats licensed data

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iamlindoro_:

Because it's copyrighted and retransmission would be illegal and/or against TOS?

[15:48:58]

wagnerrp:

its not your data to give away, only to use

[15:49:14]

Ace2016:

why would epg data be copyrighted people need to know whats on to watch stuff

[15:49:35]

wagnerrp:

because someone took the time to compile what that data is

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Think about that arguments and when you realize how silly it is, you can speak again

[15:49:40]

wagnerrp:

a company like TMDS

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wagnerrp:

effectively, youre saying one person should open up a schedules direct account, and then send it on to everyone else who has the same provider

[15:50:28]

Ace2016:

i thought the tv stations produce the epg automatically from the shows

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iamlindoro_:

huh?

[15:51:03]

iamlindoro_:

How in the world would it be produced "automatically?"

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EvilGuru:

Ace2016: Then why do you feel the need to bittorrent it?

[15:51:12]

iamlindoro_:

Someone has to *write* these things, you know

[15:51:23]

EvilGuru:

Amazingly I do not care what is on CBS in the USA at 8.00 PST

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Ace2016:

they must have a program that arranges the shows in an order and slot the adverts in the middle, that program should output the date/time info of when it'll be sent out, then another app adds the text

[15:52:01]

wagnerrp:

right, if you can use the EPG data, you can receive it over the air with traditional means

[15:52:20]

iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Where in the hell do you think the text comes from?

[15:52:34]

iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Text is written by people. That is the copyrighted content. The end.

[15:52:44]

wagnerrp:

if you cant receive it over the air, you cant receive the video stream anyway, so the guide data is worthless to you

[15:52:56]

Ace2016:

from the people who make the tv program, they add text for each program like the blurb on the back of a book

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Obviously you have no fucking idea how TV is produced then

[15:53:13]

Ace2016:

but mine is filled with Unknown

[15:53:19]

Ace2016:

but i can watch the programs

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wagnerrp:

so your EPG is not set up properly, or the broadcaster is not transmitting it

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EvilGuru:

After reading the entire topic I have come to the same conclusion I normally do: people are idiots

[16:00:12]

EvilGuru:

and enjoy digging, deep, deep holes

[16:00:20]

iamlindoro_:

Heck, you could have found that out from the comfort of this channel ;)

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, what legal content could be legally acquired over torrent? a handful of webcasts?

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iamlindoro_:

Linux ISOs, game demos... it exists, it's just the vast minority of the content

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wagnerrp:

right, but a linux iso is... worthless to mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

and likely the game demos as well :)

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Ace2016:

what if you allow people to record and share? if your in the same ip range/region?

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wagnerrp:

a game demo is likely windows, so unless you want to figure out a way to automate WINE setup into mythgame... its worthless to mythtv

[16:04:31]

iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: Then you are breaking the law, generally speaking

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Ace2016:

oh

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Ace2016:

what about mythtv updates/plugins/themes?

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wagnerrp:

they dont have the right to share, only the broadcaster does, and only as stipulated by the content producer

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Ace2016:

apt-get could do that

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: That has jack and shit to do with MythTV

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wagnerrp:

you would have to do that individually for each distro

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wagnerrp:

unlike windows, there is no single binary in linux

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Ace2016:

oh i know what about adding a torrent client with web support so you could use mythweb and also the torrentweb on another install and then force people to say i won't do illegal stuff

[16:06:20]

Ace2016:

like check a box to continue into the torrent app

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iamlindoro_:

Ace2016: NO

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iamlindoro_:

once fucking again

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iamlindoro_:

there will *never* be any torrent application whatsoever with any sort of official association with myth

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iamlindoro_:

in any fashion, with any disclaimer

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iamlindoro_:

at

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iamlindoro_:

fucking

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iamlindoro_:

all

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC#Bittorrent

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iamlindoro_:

READ

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Ace2016:

omg i know!!!

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Ace2016:

A MYTHTV CHAT NETWORK!!!

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Ace2016:

so you can talk about what your watching!

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Ace2016:

yea that'd be great

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wagnerrp:

with... youre remote?

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Ace2016:

oh

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Ace2016:

wireless keyboard?

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Ace2016:

all the people on the same channel can chat

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joshman09:

i'm trying to setup my mythtv for the first time and i'm getting the following error "no UPnp backend found" can anyone help?

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webvictim:

i usually get that when i'm not running as the mythtv user

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wagnerrp:

the backend is running?

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joshman09:

how do i know if the backend is running?

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iamlindoro_:

joshman09: #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

when you set up the backend, you gave it a PIN?

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wagnerrp:

ps ax | grep mythbackend

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joshman09:

i get the error when i try to use backend too

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joshman09:

what pin?

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wagnerrp:

when you set up the backend (if you do things manually), you have the option of giving it a PIN

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joshman09:

type "ps ax l grep mythbackend" in terminal?

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wagnerrp:

if you give it a pin, you enable upnp detection

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wagnerrp:

which will allow frontends to automatically detect and configure themselves

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wagnerrp:

basically, you have to do that, or write a small text config file to identify the sql server

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wagnerrp:

if you dont recognize the functions 'ps', 'grep', and the pipe, you probably should spend some additional time learning linux before trying mythtv

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iamlindoro_:

and failing that, seek help in #ubuntu-mythtv, because this channel presumes a higher knowledge level w/ linux and myth than you may have ATM

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joshman09:

thanks guys

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wagnerrp:

for future reference, that was not an 'l', but a pipe, '|'

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wagnerrp:

its the shift-key for backslash

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wagnerrp:

allows you to direct the output of one program into the input of another program

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webvictim:

it is awesome.

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EvilGuru:

man pipe

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EvilGuru:

or man 7 pipe

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** webvictim cackles. **

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webvictim:

am i allowed to be immature there? :P

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wagnerrp:

there?

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webvictim:

yeah, there.

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webvictim:

it's not something i make a habit of, as a rule.

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wagnerrp:

where is there?

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iamlindoro_:

Next to here, but not quite

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webvictim:

he said "man pipe", and i found it amusing. :(

[16:19:28]

webvictim:

and yes, i know what he meant.

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wagnerrp:

wow, i didnt even see the pun

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webvictim:

perhaps you're too old! ;)

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iamlindoro_:

Man 7 Pipe is just a " away from a REALLY good joke

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wagnerrp:

perhaps you are just a victim of the vulgarity of the web

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wagnerrp:

no, im just not away yet

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wagnerrp:

s/away/awake

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wagnerrp:

ive got a friend whos going to be expecting mythtv help shortly

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wagnerrp:

and hes at about the level of not grasping the concept of the pipe

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iamlindoro_:

You get to help him then :)

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iamlindoro_:

We'll be nice, though ;)

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wagnerrp:

he saw my system about a year and a half ago

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wagnerrp:

i believe i unconsciously sabotaged it, so it would not function well and dissuade him from trying to build one

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giggy93:

Hey guys, is it possible to get my AverTV Duo Hybrid PCI-E card working in mythtv?

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iamlindoro_:

MythTV doesn't do card support, that's the responsibility of the v4l project. If it works in linux using that API, odds are it will work in mythtv

[16:49:08]

iamlindoro_:

linuxtv.org

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giggy93:

hmm no mention of it

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giggy93:

Anyone tried to get it working?

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iamlindoro_:

giggy93: Again, we don't do that here

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iamlindoro_:

you can ask about card support in #linuxtv

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iamlindoro_:

but if it's not on the wiki at all, there is probably not linux support for it

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wagnerrp:

is this your card? http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_A . . . _PCIe_(M780)

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giggy93:

a177

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giggy93:

hmm was hoping to get all this working on linux.. I don't really want to have to install winblowz on such a nice machine

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SHADOW__X:

maybe some research before hand?

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giggy93:

lol.. I did, it's the best damn card you can buy for the money.. they sell like hotcakes over here in Aus.. I can't believe there is no driver

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giggy93:

Just didn't research for linux compatibility

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SHADOW__X:

mhm

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SHADOW__X:

want there to be a driver

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SHADOW__X:

buy another one and send it to a driver programmer

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giggy93:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

if there isnt support already that is

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iamlindoro_:

yay, MLP decode *finally* in libavcodec

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SHADOW__X:

yay

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wagnerrp:

MLP?

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SHADOW__X:

i am glad i am not the only one

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iamlindoro_:

MLP is one of the two dominant audio codecs on Blu-ray and HD-DVD media

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wagnerrp:

MLP is TrueHD?

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SHADOW__X:

Meridien Lossless Packing

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iamlindoro_:

wagnerrp: yes

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iamlindoro_:

E-AC3 is fairly close to being merged, too. Hoping that it will be added before next Myth libavcodec sync. Would simplify my life a lot :)

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wagnerrp:

both MLP and DTS-HD peak out at 18Mbit, which is no better than LPCM

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iamlindoro_:

They aren't *supposed* to be better than LPCM

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wagnerrp:

i suppose theres no guarantee that lossless compression will actually compress in all situations

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wagnerrp:

i mean 8ch, 24-bit, 96KHz is 18Mbit

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whoDat_:

sometimes when i change channels the audio goes high pitched/scratchy/over modulated. if i change channels again, it goes back to normal. dont see anything in the front end logs. any ideas? this is through the svideo/audio out of my stb.

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EvilGuru:

wagnerrp: DTS-HD is unsupported isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

im just making a general comment on the codecs

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iamlindoro_:

EvilGuru: ffmpeg will pull out the regular DTS encapsulated in it, so in some sense it will at least "sort-of-work"

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EvilGuru:

Doubt there will be a huge difference

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iamlindoro_:

not to my ears, anyway :)

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wagnerrp:

few people have spent the money on a receiver to make a difference

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wagnerrp:

and speakers

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wagnerrp:

and cables, you cant forget those $7K speaker cables

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Ace2016:

Hi all

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Ace2016:

if you wanted to cool a processor (AM2) is it best to lower the fsb or lower the multiplier?

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wagnerrp:

fsb

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wagnerrp:

you lower the fsb, its easier to drop voltages

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, power increases linearly with frequency, and the square of voltage

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Ace2016:

i've dropped the voltages already

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Virindi:

a higher multiplier and lower frequency would mean the CPU was doing less work, which is probably what you would want

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wagnerrp:

well you drop the frequency, you can drop the voltage further

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Ace2016:

oh

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wagnerrp:

virindi: huh?

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wagnerrp:

the CPU is doing just the same amount of work, the northbridge is doing less work

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wagnerrp:

although its better to just keep the multiplier at full

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Virindi:

oh, sorry, I'm not thinking right

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Dagmar:

Or you could just buy a newer, cooler CPU.

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wagnerrp:

because then you can use 'cool & quiet' to drop the multiplier when idle

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Ace2016:

Dagmar: energy efficient chips are expensive

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Dagmar:

Not particularly.

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Dagmar:

Skip a couple of pizzaz.

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sid3windr:

:>

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Dagmar:

s/pizzaz/pizzas/l

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Virindi:

aren't those Atom-based things supposed to be super cheap?

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wagnerrp:

no idea, but theyre not going to be worth it for several more months

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Ace2016:

and super slow

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Dagmar:

Yes, but they're also not what most people would consider "easily available"

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wagnerrp:

wait until they some out with the dual core chip, and a dedicated north bridge

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wagnerrp:

right now, theyre using an old P945, which is a power hog

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Virindi:

Do they benchmark significantly higher than the VIA chips, though?

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Virindi:

I thought they did

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iamlindoro_:

That's not very hard ;)

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wagnerrp:

they destroy the VIA chips, but then most things do

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iamlindoro_:

I have a hamster wheel that benchmarks higher

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Ace2016:

what about the chinese dragon chips, i wonder how good they are, they are mips

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Virindi:

well, I figure they're supposed to compete with the VIA

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Virindi:

Have you tried running mythtv on your hamster wheel? :D

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wagnerrp:

MythTV HWE...

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iamlindoro_:

I have *much* higher confidence in the chances of the Hamster running it acceptably

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Ace2016:

how is the hamster supposed to change the channel

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wagnerrp:

squeeks

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iamlindoro_:

A hamster can be taught new tricks, the VIA never knew any to begin with

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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SHADOW__X:

have an empty upcoming recording list kida temps you to see how much you can record

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Virindi:

there hasn't been much good on TV in the last year or so

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SHADOW__X:

i want heroes back

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Ace2016:

heros come back

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GreyFoxx:

*blink* *blink*

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ali1234:

hi. how do i wipe the list of dvb transponders? they are all messed up

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ali1234:

since nobody is alive, i'll give the long rambling version of my story while i wait

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iamlindoro_:

Either delete the capture card/listings source, or do a new scan with option

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iamlindoro_:

"delete existing channels"

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ali1234:

i'm using DVB-T in the UK. i moved house to another TV region. I tried to "delete all channels" and do a full scan, but it did not work properly, it seemed to pick up a load of transponders from another region which did not work properly of course, and missed half of the local ones

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ali1234:

so a load of channels were missing

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iamlindoro_:

delete the listings/video source and recreate it from scratch

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ali1234:

ok

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iamlindoro_:

A fresh one will have no transponders associated with it so you can do as you like with it

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ali1234:

ok i'm doing a full scan after creating a new source

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high-rez:

ali1234: you can just go into channel editor and then the transport editor

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SHADOW__X:

hey guys how do i get mythtv to stop changing the audio bitrate of my tuner it works outside of myth but when i use myth it reverts it back

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ali1234:

iamlindoro: that seems to have worked, thanks

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ali1234:

high-rez: yes, you can edit them, but you can't delete them. i had about 15 when i should have had 6

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iamlindoro_:

ali1234: oh good, no problem

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro_ do you know how i can get mythtv to stop changing the audio bitrate

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: assume you mean the sampling rate?

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X: Myth will *always* set the audio sampling and bit rates when starting a record. If you want it to be something, then edit your recording profiles for MPEG-2 encoders to be what you want them to be

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SHADOW__X:

it was using the wrong one and thats why my audio and visual where in slow motion

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SHADOW__X:

so that wouldnt be in mythback end setup

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SHADOW__X:

that would be in the frontend setup

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SHADOW__X:

?

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iamlindoro_:

yes, it is in frontend

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iamlindoro_:

Recording Profiles

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SHADOW__X:

changing channels doesnt work

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iamlindoro_:

Sure it does, you just broke it/didn't set it up right :)

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SHADOW__X:

alright sure how would i set it up right :D

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iamlindoro_:

By... reading the documentation and doing the stuff it says?

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iamlindoro_:

Ask a stupid question...

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high-rez:

ali1234: Really> i thought i deleted them from there once.... I guess just do a delete from the transports table then . ;)

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ali1234:

high-rez: yep i tried that too, just made things even worse.

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SHADOW__X:

i guess ill try again i thought i did read the docs and set it up right

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high-rez:

drop databse mythconverg; mysql -u root -p < mc.sql

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high-rez:

;)

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ali1234:

deleting the source really was the best way it seems

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high-rez:

Ahh. If you delete the source all else just works?

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high-rez:

I had a happy experience with myth the other day. I pulled out a nexus-s card and replaced it with a twinhan 1020a and it 'just worked' – didn't need to run mythtv-setup :D

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ali1234:

i just added a second tuner and it "just worked" – after i installed the latest linuxtv modules of course

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ali1234:

of course i have yet to see it actually work

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high-rez:

what type of card are you using?

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ali1234:

waiting for the listings to populate so i can try it

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high-rez:

I'm thinking of adding an hdhomerun to my setup.

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ali1234:

i have a artec T1 (dib3000) and the new one is a realtek 2831

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ali1234:

both are usb

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high-rez:

Is that DVB-T?

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ali1234:

yes

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high-rez:

Ahh. Euro?

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ali1234:

UK, yes

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high-rez:

No DVB-S?

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high-rez:

You guys have way better DVB-S options than those of us in the states.

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i_is_cat:

you know when you go into the videos section to browse the list of videos? the name of the file is in a font that is like 87px large and i cant seem to find where to set it.. anyone know?

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ali1234:

dvb-t card costs £15, dvb-s dish installation and box costs £200

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ali1234:

the only good thing about satellite is you can get HD freeview channels

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high-rez:

*blink*. I bought my DVB-S card for like $50 shipped. The dish I picked up for < $100

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ali1234:

and did you climb on your roof and fit it yourself?

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high-rez:

(dish, lnb, cable)

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high-rez:

yeah

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i_is_cat:

see the pic: http://chazzwozzer.com/mediagallery/media.php . . . 718142236829

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i_is_cat:

the text is huge.. also how do i get an image to show up?

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high-rez:

ali1234: It's super easy to aim.

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ali1234:

there is no point in getting satellite, you get all the same channels as terrestrial, except that you can get a couple of them in HD. but i don't have a HDTV, and it's mostly things that i don't watch anyway, like football

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high-rez:

I have a $10 sat finder

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PatrickDK:

$10?

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PatrickDK:

damn, mine is like $5000

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high-rez:

5K?!

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PatrickDK:

well, it's a spectrum analizer :)

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high-rez:

Oh

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PatrickDK:

just alittle overkill

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high-rez:

How do you not blow it when driving the pwoer to the LNB? You must attenuate the hell out of the SA?

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kormoc:

ali1234, I have satellite and it's cheaper then cable for the same channels

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ali1234:

freeview is free

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PatrickDK:

hmm, power is dc

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high-rez:

You just filter the DC?

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PatrickDK:

it's normally blocked from the receiving equipment when you use an injector

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high-rez:

Are you injecting the disecq commands and all that ?

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kormoc:

ali1234, for you perhaps, but you said there's no reason to get satellite, and there's my reason

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ali1234:

i was talking about freesat

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PatrickDK:

technically, I don't even use an lnb

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high-rez:

i_is_cat: Dude that's a nice theme

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ali1234:

paytv is a waste of money no matter how you receive it

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high-rez:

especially for you guys in .eu with massive ammounts of dvb-s! ;)

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i_is_cat:

ty its just the projectgotham one, i'm only using it cuz its the nicest 4:3 theme, the one on the widescreen is using the nicer looking one neon something or other..

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i_is_cat:

but the font in that pic near the bottom is huge and i want to smallerize it i've tried adjusting the font sizes under appearance they dont seem to do anything

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wagnerrp:

gotham or greyhem

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i_is_cat:

sorry greyhem i'm in the middle of a bong and thinking about batman in the imax tomorrow hehe

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ali1234:

you know what else we have in the UK? 8 days of over air guide data...

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kormoc:

i_is_cat, topic and legal...

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i_is_cat:

sorry kormoc just explaining reason for the err but seriously does anyone know how to adjust that font size it makes an otherwise awesome theme look poorly configured (and yes it probably is but it works and thats all that matters to me)

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i_is_cat:

sorry it working and 'looking' properly configured is what matters to me otherwise i'd just shut up and deal with the fact that it does do what its supposed to do.. for the most part

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Knopit:

Should I expect the cover art to be displayed in the NetFlix module? Can I place items into my que?

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Knopit:

My research on this has been inconclusive.

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iamlindoro_:

Yes, and no

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Knopit:

iamlindoro_: yes and no respectively

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Knopit:

?

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iamlindoro_:

yes

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Knopit:

Cool and Rats

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Knopit:

I wonder what has gone wrong with my cover art?

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Knopit:

Google here I come again

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jafa:

for HDHomeRun users... beta firmware release that adds persistent IR support: http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5440

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wagnerrp:

persistent IR?

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Dameon:

Running frontend on an lcd monitor – for some reason the menus appear fine but when watching live tv the picture seems to jump around slightly – hard to describe. The OSD does it too, not just the video from the tuner

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jafa:

stores the IR target ip/port in flash so you only need to set it once

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wagnerrp:

like the image is jumping up and down one pixel? around 20–30 times a second?

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iamlindoro_:

hehe

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Dameon:

it seems to be a slight jumping and it does seem to be mostly vertical

[21:38:21]

Dameon:

not sure if thats all of it. the on screen display is a pain to read compared to the menu. like reading it off a tv or something

[21:39:02]

iamlindoro_:

Well, the OSD resolutions is going to be squished to the size of your video file, so if that's low res, so will the OSD be

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dameon: What's your signal source?

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iamlindoro_:

but wagnerrp is getting at the fact that you probably have Bob or Bob2x set as a deinterlacer, which causes that

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Dameon:

hauppage hvr-1950. tried with an xbox on composite, dont have an antenna yet for anything else. osd looks funky even when on a source with no input

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Dameon:

I thought I saw something about an interlacer. would that make the OSD look weird though?

[21:40:58]

** J-e-f-f-A|work has seen that when one of his sat boxes gets a bit wonky and needs a cold power boot [the sat receiver itself], but not otherwise... **

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iamlindoro_:

Dameon: your OSD *does* look weird, changing deinterlacer will *fix* it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dameon: Well, with no source that could be expected. It needs a signal to lock onto.

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iamlindoro_:

He's using analog

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Dameon: ^^ along with the comments about the deinterlacing setting.

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iamlindoro_:

it's going to be the res of his recording profile

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black_Nightmare_:

hey

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iamlindoro_:

ei 480x480 by default, so once again the OSD will look like poop

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black_Nightmare_:

just had to ask if any of you used any kind of a/v-firewire adapters?

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** iamlindoro_ yearns for the day he doesn't have to explain the solutions to someones problem twice before they just freaking DO it **

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro heh I have to agree

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** J-e-f-f-A|work 's boss' favorite expression to tell him is "J F D I !" ... ;-) **

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_: The plextor is supported in myth, probably works as well as most analog hardware encoders, but they're nothing special

[21:44:32]

Dameon:

seems strange that the OSD would be so dependent on the video.

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iamlindoro_:

Still, better than a framegrabber!

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: I have a av -> USB encoder (the Plextor), but haven't really used it...

[21:45:01]

black_Nightmare_:

iamlindoro what did plextor name it if you didn't mind me asking?

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** J-e-f-f-A|work bought it from a guy on ebay like 2 years ago... **

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iamlindoro_:

Dameon: Well it's not strange, it's perfectly normal. Video has to be flattened and drawn in a single pass unless in OpenGL mode, and that isn't ready for primetime yet (it's experimental and shouldn't be used by anyone in production)

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iamlindoro_:

So you will just have to live with it for now

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_: Sounds like maybe I was wrong about it being firewire, it's called teh ConvertX, but per J-e-f-f-A|work it sounds like it's USB instead

[21:47:23]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: black_Nightmare_ – Yeah, it's USB2. It encodes Analog Video/Svideo & Audio to MPEG4 ...

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

(I think it supports mpeg2 too, but not sure if myth supports that with the ConvertX...)

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iamlindoro_:

Yeah, I think MPEg-2 support for it was added since .21 IIRC

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: I'm not sure that anything but cable-box capture is supported with firewire in Myth...

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iamlindoro_:

Added MPEG-2 support for ConvertX/GO7007 tuners in addition to the existing MPEG-4 support. [16538]

[21:49:24]

iamlindoro_:

yep

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

cool. ;-) Maybe I'll dust it off this weekend and give it a whirl...

[21:49:55]

iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: only if you're running trunk

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** J-e-f-f-A|work wonders if the uPnP media players will like MPEG4... ;-) **

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: Humm... I switched back to 0.21-fixes from svn trunk... to get my multiple frontends back in sync...

[21:50:53]

iamlindoro_:

oh, well .22 it is then :)

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black_Nightmare_:

hm jeffa..I've tried to look for any cable boxes but I don't understand why its difficult to find any info online save less any store source :/

[21:51:18]

black_Nightmare_:

and roger is useless..they don't even provide more than a small half-vcr-sized box with just simple video ports on rear (neverminding digital audio output somehow)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro_: ;-) Yeah, I couldn't free up enough space on my x-box to get trunk to compile, so I gave up on it...

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A|work, it depends on the players

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_: The cable box won't do you any good if your cable company won't let you bring your own, they deactivate firewire at the headend, or both

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_: AFAIK Rogers is notorious for just plain turning firewire off for boxes on their system

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: yeah, the only way to get it is to have HD service from your cable company, and in the US they're required to have an active Firewire port on them. *However*, it doesn't have to be un-encrypted, so even if you have the firewire port, you may not get anything but locals in-the-clear...

[21:53:04]

black_Nightmare_:

sometimes I wonder why its difficult to get video to typical laptops when desktops have it too easy with pci slots :/

[21:53:12]

black_Nightmare_:

oh well

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: And he's in canada, so they don't have to give him anything

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iamlindoro_:

J-e-f-f-A|work: and, in all liklihood, given what I have read about Rogers, they'll just turn off the port entirely

[21:54:09]

J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: Well, as far as HD, it's just as hard. Probably the only option is an Hauppauge HD-PVR, which is USB2 and takes Component Video input.

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: and iamlindoro_ has one... ;-)

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa..I'm actually just looking at svideo (although audio could be digital coaxial if its possible tho)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: That is, assuming you want to record High Definition... ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

given what black_Nightmare_ has said about the equipment he owns in the past, I will presume his computers about about five generations back from anything capable of playing the HD-PVR output :)

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black_Nightmare_:

iamlondoro..actually I can record and play tv shows just fine on the desktop

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black_Nightmare_:

why can't I ask same of the newer laptop tho?

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iamlindoro_:

black_Nightmare_: Hauppauge HD-PVR output is h.264 with complex encoding options and single sliced-- ie the very hardest thing out there to play-- harder than Blu-ray content by far... even the absolute newest of systems can *barely* squeak by in linux playing it

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: Perhaps a usb-stick tuner would work for you, with the s-video pigtail. Not sure which ones (if any) have hardware encoders though. Maybe a HVR-950 would be a decent choice, although it doesn't come with the video pigtail, and there's no hardware encoder. (Not needed for Digital stations, but I think it does analog too, but probably in 'framegrabber' mode)

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

Well, gee, it's 5:57pm. I think it's time to go HOME!!!! ;-)

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iamlindoro_:

2:58. Me too!

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black_Nightmare_:

lol

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** black_Nightmare_ is still waiting for supper due soon :p **

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black_Nightmare_:

jeffa...well...that wouldn't had been a problem if there was even one cardbus (or whatever heh) slot free to add usb

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

iamlindoro: hehe... ;-) Hey, it's been in the friggin' 90's the last couple of weeks... Yuck, high temps and high humidity... I don't like that combination!

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black_Nightmare_:

this is why I just can't understand some laptops these days but meh what do I know at all

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J-e-f-f-A|work:

black_Nightmare_: Your laptop doesn't have usb ports??? If it does, they sell these things called USB Hubs you know... ;-)

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black_Nightmare_:

do any even have their own batteries? heh :p

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black_Nightmare_:

just teasing you of course

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black_Nightmare_:

:)

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wagnerrp:

you can get passive hubs, powered off the main port

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** J-e-f-f-A|work packs up and heads home for the weekend... ttyl later guys... ;-) **

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black_Nightmare_:

wagnerrp that is if you don't have anything needing 100+mA tho .. I guess thats been one old problem with hubs at times

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wagnerrp:

pretty much

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wagnerrp:

half an amp is pretty meager to run anything on

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wagnerrp:

at 5V anyway

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black_Nightmare_:

I still think of that one time the silly 7port hub (at least it was someone's tower pc) was dropping random device like weird till finally we realized that it was still acting in bus-powered mode ... a few minutes later it finally worked just fine

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black_Nightmare_:

yeah you're quite right about that

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wagnerrp:

are usb tuners actually capable of running unpowered?

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black_Nightmare_:

thats why my one external hd is oddly enough a firewire-only one .. but then its more than happy to run on almost any systems thanks to the generious 12/24V (depending) power provided

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black_Nightmare_:

except for ilink-only laptops tho of course ^-^

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black_Nightmare_:

either way I guess this maybe is a bit odd question but out of these which one do you think more closely match pure dvd (mp4)? composite-video, svideo, component, composite-audio, digital audio

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iamlindoro:

well, DVD isn't MP4

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iamlindoro:

it's MPEG-2

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iamlindoro:

but Component video is the highest quality (can only capture that with the brand new HD-PVR), followed by S-video

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iamlindoro:

So for commonly available capture cards with good support, S-video is likely to be your best capture option

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iamlindoro:

and Coaxial or toslink audio will be the best quality

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black_Nightmare_:

hm I just need to figure out a fair receiver with digital audio now :p

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black_Nightmare_:

well...you know heh

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