Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 14th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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janneg:

docjay: the ip address of your backend and the master backend ip address aren't equal

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docjay:

both are on the same box.. can I just use 'localhost'?

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janneg:

stop the backend and check the settings in mythtv-setup -> general

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janneg:

docjay: I think you could use localhost but resolving hostnames does only work in trunk since a couple of days

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janneg:

and as long as you don't plan to use the frontend on a different computer

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docjay:

you want me to go into mythtv backend setup right?

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janneg:

yes

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docjay:

it had the machine name in it.. :O

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docjay:

running mythfilldatabase & then I'll check the sheduled recordings

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janneg:

ok, it should work after changing that

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docjay:

should I be able to see the mythbackend running in the system monitor under processes?

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janneg:

you have to restart it if you stopped it but there should be a process mythbackend

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docjay:

the recordings are there now — thanks janneg & +stuarta

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SHADOW__X:

hello everyone

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docjay:

excellent

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janneg:

docjay: you're welcome, good night

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docjay:

night

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docjay:

just in time for the simpsons

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SHADOW__X:

clever you there

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SHADOW__X:

or anyone that can help me with the hd cloning

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SHADOW__X:

no one 0–0

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: what do you want to do?

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SHADOW__X:

i have a bigger hd and want to use that

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SHADOW__X:

so have my current os on there

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SHADOW__X:

and use that

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leOn:

so you have 1 disk with os installed + data and want to transfer all to a bigger hd ... that it?

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SHADOW__X:

yup

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SHADOW__X:

is that cloning?

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leOn:

well ... there are several ways to do it, depending on a number of things

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leOn:

what os are we talking about?

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SHADOW__X:

ubuntu

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SHADOW__X:

its a mythbuntu system

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leOn:

linux then

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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leOn:

ok .. my sugestion wouldn't a direct clone, since that would also clone the partitions and you'd be restrained again in the new disk

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SHADOW__X:

right

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leOn:

are you going to keep things in a single partition?

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SHADOW__X:

so then

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SHADOW__X:

what do you mean

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iamlindoro:

dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb (assuming copying sda to sdb)

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SHADOW__X:

i plan to grow the ext3 parition

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iamlindoro:

that's all you need to do the clone

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iamlindoro:

then, once the clone is done, do:

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iamlindoro:

resize2fs /dev/sdb# on the one you want to grow to max size

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SHADOW__X:

is there a better way iamlindoro soemone was saying that that would copy over fragmenets too or something like that

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iamlindoro:

where # = partition # on the physical drive

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iamlindoro:

That is the best way

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SHADOW__X:

alirhgt

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SHADOW__X:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

someone was being a tedious dumbass

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

ah

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SHADOW__X:

is that what that was

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iamlindoro:

everyone has to throw in every little thing around here to show how they're top linux dog, and often ignores actually getting the job done

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SHADOW__X:

happens everywhere

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iamlindoro:

ie you can give a solution that covers 99.9% of use cases, and someone will *always* chime in "But what if he's on DVB-S in Newfoundland? Then this won't work."

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SHADOW__X:

hmm no progress huh

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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leOn:

that's in fact a way of doing things ... i wouldn't do it that way ... but hey

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SHADOW__X:

just it churning data away

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iamlindoro:

no, no progress shown, just get a beer and watch some TV

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leOn:

not wanting to pretend i'm a "top linux dog"

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wagnerrp:

why would you want to copy over fragments if you have the chance to remove fragmentation?

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iamlindoro:

point of fact, sigh

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leOn:

wagnerrp: the dog has spoken ...

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iamlindoro:

anyway, back to TV

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** leOn stfu **

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SHADOW__X:

lool thanks iamlindoro

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: you might want to take a brief look at something called sysresccd and the advantages of something called tar

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wagnerrp:

dog what??? a 'top linux dog' would have taken that opportunity to claim that 'linux file systems dont need defragmentation'

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leOn:

just in case you have some spare time in your hands

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SHADOW__X:

eh cant i defragment it after its done

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SHADOW__X:

?

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: ext3 usually already takes care of that for you

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leOn:

but it's not perfect

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SHADOW__X:

alright is there a program to defrag it then

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wagnerrp:

ah, i misread

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SHADOW__X:

and i am running ext3

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leOn:

and it's a risky job to defrag using e2defrag

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wagnerrp:

youre not copying anything, just expanding the file system

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leOn:

also it would involve "converting" the ext3 filesystem to ext2

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SHADOW__X:

lol its fine man

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SHADOW__X:

thats very tedious

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SHADOW__X:

all i care about is having my mythsystem back with my recordings

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wagnerrp:

well ext3 is ext2, you would just flush end up flushing the journal

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leOn:

on the other hand .. if you used a rescue cd (almost any livecd would do), if you copied the things over you'd end up with no fragmentation

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wagnerrp:

anyway, for what mythtv does (linear streams) there will be marginal fragmentation

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wagnerrp:

now if youre doing things like download loading torrents, or any multi-part file generation, that will heavily fragment any file system

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SHADOW__X:

no none of that

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SHADOW__X:

just a mythtv box and i am doing dd from a live cd

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wagnerrp:

so the new disk is a fresh disk, nothing on it?

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SHADOW__X:

i reformated it

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: just remember to resize the new partition without it being mounted

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SHADOW__X:

yup

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SHADOW__X:

will do after dd is done

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wagnerrp:

why would cloning and formatting be advantageous over just formatting and copying files?

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SHADOW__X:

and i need to delete the windows partition

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leOn:

wagnerrp: it's not, but apparently is less work

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SHADOW__X:

eh because this way its done

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wagnerrp:

two commands either way

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SHADOW__X:

yeah it is less work

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SHADOW__X:

whats the diff either way then

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leOn:

wagnerrp: i'd say SHADOW__X is still not very confortable with linux yet ...

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leOn:

=)

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kslater:

wagnerpp – just wanted to let you know I appreciated your input on the htpc cases – I ended buying a Silverstone case

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wagnerrp:

well dd requires the entire disk, cp just requires the data you have stored

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SHADOW__X:

right absolutely not i have had a development box for years and done custom kernels

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wagnerrp:

unless you have a full disk, cp would be faster

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SHADOW__X:

linux is icky

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leOn:

kslater: out of curiosity ... which model?

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kslater:

Lascala LC17-B

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kslater:

thought it didn't look quite as nice in silver so I went with black

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kslater:

I could be off on the model # a bit

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: if you're confortable with linux, i'd recomend formatting and copying .. but it's really up to you

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wagnerrp:

dd and resize seems like overly complex commands for a basic user

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i can see why you would recommend that i just dont feel like copying shit i already had to redo this box 3 times prior to this working kinks out

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: http://www.tech-recipes.com/unix_tips115.html

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leOn:

in case you change your mind

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wagnerrp:

i was formatting and copying files for years before i dared using dd

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SHADOW__X:

also i am in the middle of working bugs out with mkrufky

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leOn:

usually in only use dd when i have to deal with faulty disks and such

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wagnerrp:

actually, is this a boot drive, or just recording storage?

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SHADOW__X:

boot drive

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SHADOW__X:

if i was going to do storage

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SHADOW__X:

i would just copy over

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SHADOW__X:

and i didnt want to mount it

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wagnerrp:

oh! well then completely ignore anything i have said

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SHADOW__X:

i already have to mounts in fstab

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

i know what i am doing i wouldnt consider my self a noob

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SHADOW__X:

also i need to work through an issue i am having with analog with mkrufky

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wagnerrp:

i thought this was just data storage, but i wouldnt want to deal with copying that quantity of files either

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leOn:

kslater: how much for the case?

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SHADOW__X:

and reinstalling could ruin anywork we have mad

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SHADOW__X:

eh if it was storage i wouldnt care just copy everything over

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SHADOW__X:

but this is the whole deal

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

dont want to copy that over

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SHADOW__X:

or reinstall again

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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leOn:

and why would you care to copy while being system?

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SHADOW__X:

wha

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leOn:

i'm sorry, but i just don't see the problem

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SHADOW__X:

i want to keep everything intact

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leOn:

system, data, it's all the same ... that's the beauty of linux

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SHADOW__X:

right but i also have windows on that partiton and i havnt decided yet if i am going to keep it

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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leOn:

in the end you just have to reinstall the boot loader in the case it's the boot drive

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wagnerrp:

well there are bound to be a number of hard linked files, cp doesnt handle such a thing well

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leOn:

you have windows on that partition?

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SHADOW__X:

yeah i know i have had to redo grub quite afew tiems

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leOn:

i'm finding that very hard to believe

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wagnerrp:

with dd, the bootloader is copied as well

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SHADOW__X:

and yeah i have afew linked files

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SHADOW__X:

that is why i wanted to clone it then just expand the partition

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wagnerrp:

hardlinked, not symlinked

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SHADOW__X:

symlinked files

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wagnerrp:

hardlinked files share identical inodes

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wagnerrp:

but otherwise appear as completely normal files

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wagnerrp:

cp has no problem with symlinks

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SHADOW__X:

alright

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SHADOW__X:

but i wanted a clone though

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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SHADOW__X:

")

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SHADOW__X:

:)

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leOn:

i wonder wtf am i supposed to do with a channel that my cable provider says it's C-8

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SHADOW__X:

hmm

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Dagmar:

Google a bit and learn about channel assignments.

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leOn:

i've tried using "8" , "S8" and "SE8"

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leOn:

are there any other alternatives?

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SHADOW__X:

a cci code of 00x02 is record not pc right or no

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docjay:

what provider leOn?

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leOn:

tvcabo .. portuguese

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docjay:

satellite?

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leOn:

nope, cable

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SHADOW__X:

i wish i saw how man MB/sec dd is copying at

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt tell you until the end

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SHADOW__X:

so it will tell me at the end

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SHADOW__X:

i am glad

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: if you have sysstat package available you might get an idea with iostat

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wagnerrp:

xosview will also give you disk usage

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wagnerrp:

but requies X

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SHADOW__X:

running of live cd

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leOn:

SHADOW__X: try iostat

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wagnerrp:

i cant seem to find anything in /proc that does such a thing

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leOn:

/proc/diskstats

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clever:

i use /proc/sys/vm/block_dump to monitor what is accessing wha

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clever:

t

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clever:

but with most systems it will also cause alot of activity

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leOn:

CH06 SC1 ... does this ring a bell to anyone? ... i'm trying to find out what freqid i'm supposed to use by looking at my tv set info

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wagnerrp:

channel 6, subchannel 1

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leOn:

ok .. and how do i put that in the channel table? .. have no idea how to represent that

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leOn:

it's not "6", "S6" or "SE6"

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Tanthrix:

Anyone know if multiple 12v rail power supplies split those rails up on different cables, or do they provide power in parallel to all individual cables equally?

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leOn:

can anyone point me out some doc where i can sort out this channel thing ?

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leOn:

i've googled already but i don't think i'm getting lucky with the search strings i'm using ...

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leOn:

yay .. it's E6

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leOn:

=P

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squish102:

i have had a PC connected to my tv running both backend and frontend

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squish102:

now in new house i wont have place to keep a pc close to tv

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squish102:

what is the smallest device i can use as a mythtv frontend?

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ldiamond:

Is Intel GMA 950 enough for a htpc?

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ldiamond:

I'm looking for something fanless that would fit that http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

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ldiamond:

and have enough power for HD

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ldiamond:

I dont need storage really, just something small, powerful enough to playback hd and sd, record realtime mpeg, run mythtv

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edman007:

ldiamond, it should work

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ldiamond:

what do you guys think about that: http://hothardware.com/Articles/Abit_IL90MV_C . . . ady1/?page=2

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cesman:

ldiamond: I've tested it, it does work

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** cesman would suggest no less than a 1.66 Core2Duo **

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ldiamond:

cesman, you tested GMA 950 or the abit mobo?

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cesman:

GMA

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ldiamond:

ok

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ldiamond:

you got 1080p without skipping?

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cesman:

I don't have 1080P

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ldiamond:

720p then?

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cesman:

720 works fine

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ldiamond:

or 1080i?

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ldiamond:

ohh ok

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cesman:

again, CPU horsepower is what you need

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ldiamond:

It's really a pain to find something that fits perfectly for a htpc

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docjay:

& a maybe a 10K raptor...

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ldiamond:

why a 10k raptor..?

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cesman:

I not certain if the GMA 950 support XvMC

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cesman:

which help w/ HD playback

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ldiamond:

XvMC helps with hd playback..?

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cesman:

MPEG2, yes

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docjay:

less of a bottleneck — spins a hell of a lot faster than 7200rpm

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edman007:

not a 10k raptor...you need space, not speed

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cesman:

right

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ldiamond:

docjay, a 7200 is fast enough

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cesman:

5200 is fast enough

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ldiamond:

I'm actually planning on streaming through a network

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ldiamond:

using NAS

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docjay:

I don't agree

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docjay:

...but

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ldiamond:

(which I couldnt test with HD yet tho)

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cesman:

and the faster you go, generally the louder

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docjay:

oh, is that right?

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edman007:

louder, hotter, and less space

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leOn:

ldiamond: i have one of those abit boards in a box

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ldiamond:

hehe, try it for me?

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cesman:

ldiamond: looks like the 950 does support XvMC!

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leOn:

if you're going to use it for vga output or direct hdmi, it's a very good board .. also i read that the 950 chip supports fullhd now thanks to driver updates

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leOn:

i had to put it aside besause my tv doesn't have digital input ... i tried getting an extra pci vga card but the bios didn't like it

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ldiamond:

Well, at first, ill simply need analog output (composite)

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leOn:

that board doesn't have analog output

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leOn:

if you want analog and keep it "mobile", i can sugest the asus N4L-VM DH

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ldiamond:

euh, the il-90mv is discontinued.

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leOn:

that'll give you one 16x pci-e so you can use any regular card in it

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ldiamond:

but a regular card wont fit this: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

[02:20:40]

leOn:

the only thing i don't like about the N4L is the cpu heatsink connector

[02:20:47]

leOn:

it's not standard

[02:21:07]

ldiamond:

and DVI-I will allow analog out

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leOn:

well .. this is only my opinion ... but going for one slick low profile case can give your grief

[02:22:42]

Hoodman:

Hey chan, just installed mythtv on my first set top box

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leOn:

non standard psu ... if it fries, you'll have to be ready to pay a serious amount of money for a spare

[02:23:09]

Hoodman:

i have a few questions if someone is free

[02:23:16]

squish102:

what is the smallest device i can use as a mythtv frontend?

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mzb_d800:

mac mini?

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leOn:

those cases usually come with 60mm or even 40mm fans

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leOn:

the smaller the fan, the noisier

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squish102:

will mac mini play 720p over dvi/hdmi?

[02:24:08]

ldiamond:

seems like its an external psu

[02:24:18]

ldiamond:

a laptop psu should do...

[02:24:25]

Hoodman:

Anyone used a linksys wireless card with mythtv

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leOn:

all and all, i decided to set up my system with "all standard" parts

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squish102:

oh i think my feed from scheduledirect is screwed

[02:25:59]

leOn:

it's not the smallest, but it's very very quiet and stable

[02:26:07]

squish102:

all my shows show rerun, even the news

[02:26:16]

leOn:

i only have 1 single 120mm fan in the case

[02:26:31]

ldiamond:

do you have a CPU fan?

[02:26:34]

leOn:

and when it runs, it goes about 400rpm

[02:26:40]

leOn:

no cpu fan

[02:26:49]

ldiamond:

what case do you use?

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leOn:

i'm using a mobile core duo

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leOn:

antec fusion

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ldiamond:

what about the volume knob on this thing?

[02:27:21]

ldiamond:

does it work in linux?

[02:27:29]

leOn:

yes

[02:27:36]

leOn:

through lirc

[02:27:57]

ldiamond:

what board do you use?

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leOn:

linux sees it as an extra irda device

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leOn:

right now asus N4L-VM DH

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leOn:

with a T2300 cpu

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ldiamond:

can you do HD with that?

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Hoodman:

someone has to be using a wifi card in here......dont make me run a cable....lol

[02:28:51]

leOn:

i've tried and it worked, although my tv doesn't support it

[02:29:08]

leOn:

i.e. .. that cpu is enough for that

[02:29:35]

leOn:

then you'll just need a graphics card that supports at least fullhd res

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leOn:

Hoodman: i have one in my htpc

[02:30:26]

Hoodman:

•leOn• i dont know that abreviation

[02:30:35]

leOn:

ovislink air live WL-5400PCI

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leOn:

Home Theather PC

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leOn:

i.e. .. where myth runs =)

[02:31:09]

Hoodman:

ok, im sort of doing that

[02:31:34]

leOn:

it's very well supported in linux .. intersils prism GT chip

[02:31:38]

Hoodman:

honestly, i dont know where to begin with the wifi card

[02:31:56]

leOn:

but you already have the card?

[02:32:05]

Hoodman:

yes, installed

[02:32:29]

Hoodman:

ive used it for a while with microsoft os's

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leOn:

does the card appear as network device in linux?

[02:33:07]

Hoodman:

•leOn• i dont know how to find out

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Hoodman:

i am a very new linux user

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leOn:

type iwconfig in a command shell, as root

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leOn:

if it's not recognized it'll list all devices equally, saying it doesn't support wireless extension

[02:34:26]

leOn:

if it recognizes it, you'll see some extra info in one of the listed devices

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Hoodman:

ya, ra0

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leOn:

it's a ralink based card i assume

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Hoodman:

im not sure

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leOn:

there's a very nice applet for gnome and kde too .. to configure the network devices

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Hoodman:

its a linksyswmp54g

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Hoodman:

its a linksys wmp54g

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Hoodman:

and, im lost about what you previously said

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leOn:

Hoodman: google for linksys wmp54g and ralink .. you'll get some nice pages

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Hoodman:

ok

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leOn:

i really should be getting to bed .. 3:30 am already

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leOn:

and tomorrow i start hearly

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leOn:

ldiamond: about the case... i can only say good things about the antec one

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leOn:

also, you might want to check the fanless cpu from silverstone

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leOn:

and the thermaltake schooner gpu cooler .. has an heatpipe that goes outside the case

[02:39:31]

leOn:

my gpu temp droped 15C degrees with that one

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leOn:

more actually, considering that the old temps were in winter time

[02:40:48]

ldiamond:

but what about the psu in that case

[02:41:02]

ldiamond:

I wanted to get a silverstone fanless psu

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leOn:

its a standard atx psu, but fanless

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ldiamond:

euh... theres definitely a fan on this one..

[02:41:50]

leOn:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . nf&area=

[02:41:53]

leOn:

it's this one

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leOn:

there's a 300W and a 450W models

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Hoodman:

ok, i am just totally lost

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ldiamond:

euh

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ldiamond:

but the antec case doesnt have a silverstone psu..

[02:42:35]

leOn:

doesn't

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ldiamond:

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID=15740

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ldiamond:

it says it comes with a psu

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leOn:

i swaped it

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leOn:

not that the one that comes is noisy

[02:43:14]

leOn:

it's actually pretty silent

[02:43:23]

leOn:

but 0db is 0 db

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leOn:

=)

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ldiamond:

yea

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ldiamond:

but I kinda hate paying for a psu and not using it lol

[02:44:38]

leOn:

well .. you can keep it for a rainy day .. or you can sell it

[02:44:53]

leOn:

that was the choice i made

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leOn:

i didn't like doing lot's of things to get my rigg done .. but i went a loooong time to get the money and time to do things right ... so i kinda lost my head a bit with it

[02:45:50]

leOn:

=)

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ldiamond:

bud damn I'd like to find a board with integrated video that would fit a slim case and have no fan

[02:46:14]

leOn:

i ended up with some spare parts .. some not very cheap i might say

[02:46:15]

Hoodman:

I have no money, but alot of parts

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Hoodman:

lol

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leOn:

ldiamond: the abit one is a good choice then

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ldiamond:

discontinued tho

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ldiamond:

and I dont see how I can make it fanless

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ldiamond:

because of the space, a huge heatsink is not a choice

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leOn:

with a low power cpu

[02:47:25]

leOn:

but REALLY fanless i'd say it's impossible

[02:47:50]

leOn:

the only way i know is to use cases like the ones used by the guys at hush tech

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leOn:

LOTS of heatpipes inside and the case itself is a huge heatsink

[02:48:46]

leOn:

otherwise you'll always need some slight breeze running inside

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Hoodman:

i seriously thought about running a vent from an airconditioner, to my server....to keep it cooler

[02:49:25]

ldiamond:

I'm starting to think I should go with that: http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=1&pid=318

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leOn:

ah .. those lovely slim players

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Hoodman:

this damn chip runs at 80c

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leOn:

did i mention i bought one of those .. not that model, but from another brand, some time ago

[02:50:47]

leOn:

and it's got wifi and all and it really works great

[02:51:09]

leOn:

but guess what ... it doesn't support h264 encoded movies

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leOn:

and it won't support ever

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ldiamond:

http://www.dlink.ca/products/?sec=1&pid=438

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leOn:

buying a solution like that is accepting that even with firmware updates, there's a limitation to what it will evolve

[02:52:17]

ldiamond:

of course

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ldiamond:

but I'm starting to think I dont have enough time to make that htpc

[02:52:44]

leOn:

so if you're happy with that, go get one and save yourself a lot of hassle and headaches

[02:52:46]

ldiamond:

and there are so many boards out there, impossible to find the one you need

[02:52:48]

leOn:

=)

[02:53:20]

leOn:

if you don't have time ... don't start an htpc project

[02:53:35]

leOn:

it's something VERY time consuming

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Hoodman:

so, anyone willing to help me walk through getting this card working....i think thats the only way im gonna

[02:54:21]

Hoodman:

or, i guess ill run a cable

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leOn:

Hoodman: there are lot's of good "linux wireless howto"s out there

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edman007:

leOn, time consuming? build and install? whats that? 1 hour?

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Hoodman:

i read one,.....the terms are what is getting me

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ldiamond:

edman, ive spent like 10 hrs looking for the parts already, and I havent chosen anything yet.

[02:55:40]

leOn:

edman007: i'm not even going to answear your question ... i'm sure you know what i meant

[02:55:55]

edman007:

ldiamond, cheap everything and a big drive

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ldiamond:

edman, I dont need a big hard drive, I got NAS

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Hoodman:

•leOn• is there a good tutorial you can recomend?

[02:56:28]

ldiamond:

I want something that fits that: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

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ldiamond:

and is fanless.

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leOn:

Hoodman: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+wireless . . . =iceweasel-a

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leOn:

choose one

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ldiamond:

leon, are u using a remote on ur htpc?

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leOn:

yes

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ldiamond:

what kind, how much $?

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leOn:

i have capture card with an ir receiver

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wagnerrp:

why does it need to be fanless?

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ldiamond:

cause I like silence when I watch a movie

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leOn:

then i configured lirc to read the remote from an old dvd player i had

[02:58:39]

wagnerrp:

ive got a P180, the case fans are all set at low speed, and the CPU fan is clocked at 50% in the bios

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wagnerrp:

in a room with a vaulted ceiling and hard floors, its still inaudible

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ldiamond:

P180?

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leOn:

time for bed

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leOn:

bye

[02:59:22]

ldiamond:

ye

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wagnerrp:

big ass antec full tower

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ldiamond:

bye

[02:59:36]

ldiamond:

yea well, I dont want a big tower

[02:59:48]

ldiamond:

I want it as small as possible

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ldiamond:

and thats why its so hard to find parts

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wagnerrp:

but still, you get a case thats sufficiently isolated, and put 120mm fans at <1500rpm, you wont hear them

[03:00:26]

wagnerrp:

that or use centrifugal blower fans

[03:00:26]

ldiamond:

I have one such fan in my desktop, after 2 months, it got loud as hell

[03:01:16]

wagnerrp:

theres no reason why it should have gotten louder over time

[03:01:25]

wagnerrp:

unless the bearings are drying out and failing

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ldiamond:

or it got unbalanced

[03:02:00]

wagnerrp:

or you have a thermal variable fan, and the heatsink is clogged with dust causing it to overheat and step up the fan speed

[03:02:19]

ldiamond:

no, this is the case fan

[03:02:42]

ldiamond:

some dust got on it, and it ran unbalanced for some days

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ldiamond:

and started to make a loud noise

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ldiamond:

after that, its done

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edman007:

ldiamond, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127037 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134045 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116039 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148231

[03:05:56]

edman007:

that should all fit in that case

[03:06:21]

wagnerrp:

i would check out the mCubed systems

[03:06:28]

Hoodman:

i have found that applying a bead of silicone on the mounting surface, then letting it dry before mounting works well, and is really cheap

[03:06:30]

wagnerrp:

theyre full systems, but fanless

[03:06:40]

wagnerrp:

heatpiped and heatsinked cases

[03:06:46]

wagnerrp:

built to order

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edman007:

ldiamond, though you probably need a smaller heatsink

[03:09:35]

Hoodman:

i think that most of the noise comes from vibration, not actually the fan

[03:11:32]

wagnerrp:

more expensive cases come with silicone or suspended isolation for hard drives

[03:11:42]

Hoodman:

yep

[03:11:49]

wagnerrp:

one of my heatsinks has a rubber strip between the fan

[03:11:52]

ldiamond:

mCubed is way too expensive tho

[03:11:54]

Hoodman:

but its really easy to do yourself

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GreyFoxx:

uy78888888888yhgtt????

[03:12:33]

ldiamond:

that celeron CPU will most likely not be enough tho

[03:12:45]

ldiamond:

not for HD

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wagnerrp:

yes GreyFoxx

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iamlindoro:

uy78 = the size of a cat paw on the keyboard

[03:15:53]

iamlindoro:

yhtg = pas moving downward slightly

[03:15:55]

iamlindoro:

er paw

[03:16:02]

Hoodman:

nice

[03:16:16]

wagnerrp:

perhaps, but where did the question marks come from

[03:16:25]

wagnerrp:

not likely the cat would hit shift and /

[03:16:33]

ldiamond:

shift 6

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iamlindoro:

On my keyboard shift that ? are right next to eacbh other, w/ modifiers that would have no effect

[03:17:05]

iamlindoro:

and enter right next to that when the paw moved

[03:17:45]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i guess the windows and context button are typically ignored by linux

[03:21:59]

ldiamond:

I need a motherboard that has integrated Ge7200 : http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/NVidia_Cards

[03:25:44]

wagnerrp:

you do realize that xvmc is completely worthless for h.264

[03:26:00]

wagnerrp:

and just about any decent processor can handle mpeg2 HD

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Hoodman:

can someone spend a few minutes working with me, with wireless and knoppmyth?

[03:27:11]

Hoodman:

please?

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ldiamond:

i dunno, dgman kept telling me that xvmc was very useful.

[03:29:33]

ldiamond:

i know its useless for h264

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Hoodman:

i seriously spent alot of time building this computer, and installing everything....i just need the netowrk to work

[03:31:33]

Hoodman:

i have checked out 5+ tutorials, i just dont understsnd them

[03:32:15]

ldiamond:

hoodman, you should ask that in #linux

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iamlindoro:

Hoodman: There is a knoppmyth channel, and your question doesn't have anything to do with myth, more appropriate for just a #knoppix room anyway

[03:32:43]

ldiamond:

you can even try #aircrack

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Hoodman:

ok...so there is a knoppix room?

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Hoodman:

ok, ill try them

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ldiamond:

so what... xvmc support isnt useful?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: lol

[03:38:31]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: I gave up hours ago when I got tired of answering the same question multiple times.

[03:39:48]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: I feel like the Batman of the channel-- always watching, only interfering when absolutely necessary (or because I don't want to watch a conversaion that's about to happen ;)

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ldiamond:

dagmar, you're saying xvmc is useful, hes saying its not... what am I supposed to do...

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wagnerrp:

i KNEW it... iamlindoro IS Adam West!

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: You should probably read what he's typing carefully.

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wagnerrp:

its useful, its just usually not worth the effort

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iamlindoro:

ldiamond: xvmc *can* be useful, but should only really be used when absolutely necessary-- any modern processor should have no need whatsoever (and, in fact, probably ought to avoid it)

[03:41:47]

Dagmar:

In contrast to what you've been doing.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Dunno about "only when absolutely necessary". It's not like it's hard to make work.

[03:42:20]

Dagmar:

It's pretty damn automatic

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ldiamond:

Dagmar, I did read carefully, and I saw that he said modern processors didnt need it, but you kept telling me I needed it.

[03:42:38]

iamlindoro:

No, not hard to make work, but there *are* various weird behaviors that I like to avoid

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: That's where not paying attention has burned you.

[03:42:49]

Dagmar:

I can assure you I never said you "needed" it.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, the better option would be an 8-series chip, which has the future possibility of a CUDA-based decoder currently in development

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It should work with most 7's as well

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Dagmar:

The key will be to look for PureVideo support being mentioned

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Dagmar:

Like, the 7050 has it, but the 7100's are hit-and-miss. 7200's afaik all have it

[03:47:29]

wagnerrp:

i know the low end 8000 discrete chips got full h.264 decode support

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wagnerrp:

but i didnt think that made it into the integrated chips

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Dagmar:

The 7050 is unique in that respect.

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Dagmar:

I doc'd it at my user page (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/User:Dagmar_d%27Surreal) and linked to the actual board. http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A . . . ullHD%20R3.0

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Dagmar:

"NVIDIA® PureVideo. Ready" <-- big clue, thank god

[03:49:05]

Dagmar:

XvMC even appears to work just fine

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wagnerrp:

well there are several different revisions of purevideo

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Dagmar:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 71&num=6

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wagnerrp:

i think a skunk just got sucked into my AC

[03:53:49]

wagnerrp:

the entire house suddenly got VERY foul

[03:53:49]

Dagmar:

I hit about five other places before I was quite convinced the 7050 was the one they *meant* to be used in an HTPC

[03:53:59]

Dagmar:

Like, five other places all saying the same thing about it

[03:54:29]

Dagmar:

HD/1080 playback is handled by the 7050, not the 7025 and not the 7100's that don't yadda yadda yadda

[03:54:45]

Dagmar:

This is why I keep going back and adding to that nVidia card matrix page on the wiki as I verify this crap

[03:55:16]

Dagmar:

This board has turned out to be exactly what I wanted/needed

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Dagmar:

My main problem now is just figuring a good way to cut the front of the case to put the IR reciever in some sort of nice-looking hole

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wagnerrp:

you got the... fusion-like NSK?

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wagnerrp:

do you have a hard drive in it?

[04:03:25]

wagnerrp:

or is it a frontend only?

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wagnerrp:

im thinking you replace the HDD LED with the receiver

[04:04:51]

wagnerrp:

or maybe use one of the audio ports

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GreyFoxx:

[]'''

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Dagmar:

I have two hard drives in it at the moment

[04:06:10]

Dagmar:

Working on getting the NAS box running so I can take the 500Gb back out of it

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Unfortunatly, the receievr isn't shaped like a plain LED

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Dagmar:

...otherwise I'd have gone that route.

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wagnerrp:

well get a bit of plastic extension, like is typically used for LEDs

[04:07:41]

Dagmar:

Basically, I think I'm going with a "jumbo" LED mount (about 5mm diameter) and a bit of tinted plastic salvaged from another reciever

[04:08:21]

wagnerrp:

where the actual LED is offset back from the bezel, and theres a column of clear plastic acting like fiber optic

[04:08:41]

wagnerrp:

or does that material block infrared frequencies?

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Dagmar:

I can get the reciever element close enough to the front of the case no problem

[04:09:57]

Dagmar:

It's making it not look like ass that's dodgy

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wagnerrp:

well i have a big tower sitting next to the TV, and an external receiver draped over the top of it, so you know where im coming from

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Dagmar:

The receiever looks like the second illus on http://www.robodyssey.com/resources/PICProject/Chapt19.pdf (i.e., it's normal) so I can just shove it out through an LED mount

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Dagmar:

Ah, here we go http://www.vishay.com/images/satellite/ir-rec . . . TSOP22xx.jpg

[04:13:47]

Dagmar:

Kinda tiny, but that's basically what I gotta hide

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wagnerrp:

you cant just cap it with a red lens so you cant actually see it?

[04:14:09]

Dagmar:

I don't have a red lens that doesn't look ugly to cap it with

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Dagmar:

So basically, they make these things http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index. . . . ucts_id=3810 in much larger sizes.

[04:14:59]

wagnerrp:

go to radio shack and get a $5 remote with the plastic window

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Dagmar:

I'm going to get one that's about 1/4 inch across in chrome so I can fit the whole thing behind it, and then cut down a piece of the plastic light shield from this old serial reciever I have

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wagnerrp:

$0.25, $4.00 shipping?

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Dagmar:

I'll be ordering from Digi-Key because I usually order my hobbist junk from them

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Dagmar:

THeir catalog is just um, a wee bit hefty to refernece.

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wagnerrp:

heh

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Dagmar:

3–4 times a year I order about $25–50 of stuff from them

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Dagmar:

Mainly lots and lots of dinky bits and pieces. Sometimes potentiometers to replace one that's worn out, sometimes sockets for things, sometimes fancy switches, etc

[04:19:26]

Dagmar:

I got this scrawny "disposable" digital video camera from CVS like a year ago that people figured out had a USB interface,, but no connectors...

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wagnerrp:

R-something wasnt it?

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Dagmar:

To add a mini-USB socket to it, I just ordered some crap from DigiKey, including the socket, and embedded it in epoxy.

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wagnerrp:

i remember hearing about that a couple years ago

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's not bad

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SHADOW__X1:

hey iamlindoro

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SHADOW__X1:

you there

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SHADOW__X1:

i did dd and it ran

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SHADOW__X1:

but resize2fs is telling me that there is no file or directory while opening /dev/sdb5

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SHADOW__X1:

and in gparted it wont run check on the filesytem

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SHADOW__X1:

e2fck doesnt want to run

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wagnerrp:

did you reboot?

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SHADOW__X1:

no

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wagnerrp:

since you manually cloned the disk using dd, important stuff has changed without the OS knowing about it

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SHADOW__X1:

i thought iamlindoro said to run resize2fs right after dd was done

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wagnerrp:

stuff like the partition table was manually written to

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wagnerrp:

unless you cloned each partition individually

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SHADOW__X1:

i cloned the whole drive

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SHADOW__X1:

so i should reboot to that drive or reboot back to the live cd then resize

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wagnerrp:

well if you cloned the whole drive, linux no longer knows whats on the drive

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wagnerrp:

so reboot the live cd

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wagnerrp:

quick way to rescan

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SHADOW__X1:

ok makes sense

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wagnerrp:

typically fdisk would issue a kernel op to rescan the disk

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wagnerrp:

also, youll have to resize the partitions with fdisk once you reboot

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, resize2fs wont actually have any additional space to expand do

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wagnerrp:

(this is based off my experience with BSD, linux may function differently)

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm

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SHADOW__X1:

how do i move a partition to the end of a drive

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wagnerrp:

make a disk image using dd, delete partition, make new partition in new location, dump disk image back to new partition

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm

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SHADOW__X1:

alirhgt

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asathoor:

I have translated /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/_shared/lang/Danish.lang – but where should it be uploaded?

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wagnerrp:

submit a ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/wiki/TicketHowTo

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SHADOW__X1:

Sweet it worked

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SHADOW__X1:

yay

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asathoor:

thanx

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SHADOW__X1:

thanks alot iamlindoro

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SHADOW__X1:

and wagnerrp

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SHADOW__X1:

is there away around a cci 00x02 code

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SHADOW__X1:

on a motorola box on comcast

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm for some reason the system seems to be faster now

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SHADOW__X1:

after dd

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tonyb:

/away ...

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tonyb:

stupid whitespace!

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justinh:

laptop delivery day today.. pity I won't be at home :(

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justinh:

and now I find that the ebuyer code for the thing I ordered has a smaller HDD than the one I'm allegedly getting, for the same price. I hope they didn't screw that up as well

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jduggan:

i hope you wont have to deal with their returns dept, i hear theyre shit :)

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EvilGuru:

I have had to return some stuff to ebuyer, not too bad (they even paid for collection)

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justinh:

I've already decided never to use ebuyer again. I doubt I'll be ordering anything online in future

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justinh:

ok so buying things in shops costs a little bit more but guess what – you can walk away with stuff, or have it delivered when you say is a good time (and it arrives then!)

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jduggan:

i guess its a compromise on cheap prices vs good service

[09:00:07]

jduggan:

there aren't many online retailers that give what i'd call a good service :)

[09:00:17]

jduggan:

btw, you cant get your stuff delivered to your place of work?

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justinh:

online shopping isn't *that* much cheaper than on the high street

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justinh:

1st order blues, jduggan :(

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justinh:

cardholder address only

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jduggan:

ah

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justinh:

and my stupid smile account won't let me register another address

[09:02:02]

jduggan:

wow, didnt realise smile were still going

[09:02:09]

jduggan:

you dont see them advertise like they used to

[09:02:17]

otwin:

one big reason for online shopping is choice. you can get exactly what you need.

[09:02:35]

justinh:

I wish I'd bought a dell laptop from Tesco now

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sid3windr:

why not from dell? :P

[09:03:04]

otwin:

justinh: so what laptop did you get?

[09:03:09]

justinh:

same price from Tesco, without the headache of having to be in for the delivery

[09:03:37]

sid3windr:

:)

[09:04:19]

justinh:

where the hell to dell gt Â£60 for delivery from anyway? you could surely have a retail space for less than Â£60 per unit sold

[09:05:00]

justinh:

otwin: it's some acer thing. can't even remember the spec

[09:05:59]

justinh:

I can see me returning it & opting to spend another Â£50 on the dell from tesco

[09:06:40]

justinh:

and not one of the usual suspects has ANYTHING worth having in the Â£00 – Â£400 bracket

[09:06:46]

justinh:

er.. Â£300 to Â£400

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sid3windr:

00–400 probably also correct

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justinh:

my budget was a max of Â£350

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justinh:

if it was up to Â£1000 I'd just have got a powerbook

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otwin:

justinh: never considered a used thinkpad for that budget – may be x40? no option if you need c2d power of course...

[09:17:53]

justinh:

don't need c2d

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jduggan:

im looking for a similar laptop price

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jduggan:

i've a lab in my spare bedroom

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jduggan:

but now i have a second child on the way

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jduggan:

means i have to get rid of the lab

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jduggan:

make a new nursery

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jduggan:

and no room for computers

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justinh:

ouch

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jduggan:

so cheap laptop it will have to be

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justinh:

yeah my computer room is history once a kid's on the way

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jduggan:

i'll have room for my myth setup, just no place for a big desk

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jduggan:

which sucks, because i've been using a tri-monitor setup for years, both @ work and home

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justinh:

loft conversion?

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jduggan:

it'll be weird to being restricted to a single screen

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sid3windr:

don't you have a basement to put your kid in? ;)

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jduggan:

i rent

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jduggan:

not paying for a conversion on a house i dont own :(

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sid3windr:

a garage then!

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Dibblah:

A laptop ;)

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Tanthrix:

Anyone have a copy of the YATTA deinterlacer add lying around? ivtc.org seems to have let its domain name expire..

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jduggan:

well if the the trend in house prices keeps going the way it is i'll probably buy somewhere bigger in the near future.

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justinh:

roll on the recession :)

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waxhead:

hey everyone...

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waxhead:

here's a dumb question...

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waxhead:

I've ripped my DVD's to myth – using the default xvid(?) as opposed to divx. I want to take those vobs and trascode them to PSP...

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waxhead:

of course I'm taking the soft option here and using PSP 9 to do over a share... however it barfs on the vobs....

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waxhead:

is it because they are vidx?

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justinh:

ARGHHH FUCKING SHITTYLINK!!!!!!!!! SOmebody called 'Brian' has taken delivery of my laptop. None of my neighbours are called Brian

[10:53:22]

justinh:

I thought oh not so bad, a monday delivery. I'll get the card from home & pick it up from the depot. Nope

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jamesd:

justinh, that was the name of the delivery guy... brian the ups dude.

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sid3windr:

heh.

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justinh:

even so, leaving a parcel worth hundreds of pounds with a neighbour?!

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justinh:

for fuck's sakes!!!!!!!!!

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justinh:

when I got my receiver from superfi, their courier asked if it'd be alright if they left it outside the front door

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justinh:

this is it, me & online buying. no more

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xand:

delivery to work++

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** sid3windr agrees with xand **

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justinh:

xand: fine, if it's not your first order

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sid3windr:

how is first order related?

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justinh:

because some retarded shops want the first order to be to the cardholder's address – for fraud protection or some such lame excuse

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sid3windr:

:/

[10:57:30]

justinh:

when in reality that's bullshit – the card provider gives the buyer fraud protection

[10:58:15]

justinh:

well, I suppose if the house number written on the card is RIGHT this time, it'll be simple to find it

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xand:

apparently most places only check that the digits in the post code match the digits in the house number

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xand:

(and compare that the the registered address)

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sid3windr:

that way you can go and beat the sh*t out of the guy abusing your card, as opposed to him being on another continent?

[11:00:22]

sid3windr:

only helps if you're working where you live, too, though ;)

[11:00:31]

xand:

er, they could be anywhere in the country

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justinh:

I'm wondering how the hell something so simple should end up being so stupidly cumbersome in this, the 21st century

[11:01:23]

xand:

it's a real nuisance that these delivery people don't work evenings

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justinh:

btw delivery to work is all well & good if your workplace allow it

[11:02:22]

justinh:

when I worked for Celestica, it was a proper bitch to get stuff out of the hands of the stores folks

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xand:

our building caretaker usually brings delivered stuff to your desk :)

[11:03:34]

justinh:

our receptionist is friendly here

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justinh:

stuff I get from amazon is no trouble at all

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justinh:

and even ebay

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justinh:

but these other retailers are on crack

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xand:

someone had pretty much his whole kitchen delivered to work

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LabMonkey:

I'm just curious

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LabMonkey:

but did you have an unhappy childhood, justinh?

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justinh:

nope

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justinh:

it's the little things that piss me off

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justinh:

oh I dunno – things like – you pay money for a service & expect to be treated to your own high expectations – reasonable things

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justinh:

companies are taking the piss out of people left, right & centre & it's the customers who let them get away with it. Me, I stand for none of it

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justinh:

if I'm offerred saturday deliver if I order before 8pm, I want it on saturday, not monday. If they cop out & deliver it on monday anyway while I'm at work, I expect them to take a high value item back to the depot, not leave it with some random bloke I've never heard of. None of this is unreasonable

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justinh:

ebuyer are going to get it in the neck today

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justinh:

and yes, if I don't end up satisfied with the outcome, I WILL cancel the order just for the sake of it

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Dibblah:

justinh: They will deliver it on Saturday. It won't be delivered this week. I've had this conversation with them before.

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Dibblah:

Oh, right – Just read the scrollback.

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justinh:

Dibblah: yeah I read that about ebuyer's saturday deliveries

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justinh:

not the case on this occasion thankfully

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justinh:

wonder if littlewoods have refunded that Â£400 yet

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justinh:

er Â£240. not had a reply to my complaint letter either

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sohocoke:

is there an option to enable flv in mythweb?

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stuarta:

looked in the settings?

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sohocoke:

yup, nothing obvious

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sohocoke:

oh, looks like the whole thing's called 'video playback' :)

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stuarta:

right i'm off to the pub to watch the cricket for a bit

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brewmaster:

anyone have any luck using the kworld 120 card to capture OTA DTV?

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iamlindoro:

s0ulf1r3

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iamlindoro:

HA

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iamlindoro:

glad I only use that one on the screen locking :)

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sid3windr:

:p

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bronson:

Anyone know if the Twinhan AD-AU500 USB ATSC tuner works on Linux/Myth?

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bronson:

Also called the 7240. It's <$30.

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ldiamondd:

What kind of bandwidth do I need to stream HD material through a network to a htpc? is 6–8MB/s enough?

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ldiamondd:

bronson, you might wanna take a look on mythtv wiki, I think they list some of them

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ldiamondd:

I know many hauppauge work

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ldiamondd:

but this one I dont know

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ldiamond:

What kind of bandwidth do I need to stream HD material through a network to a htpc? is 6–8MB/s enough?

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iamlindoro_:

ldiamond: HD material doesn't come in a single size, but 6 Mbit isn't near enough

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iamlindoro_:

20 ish for Broadcast HD, 40 for Blu-ray bitrates

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iamlindoro_:

then again, perhaps you meant actual MegaBYTES, in which case it would probably be anough, yes

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iamlindoro_:

er enough

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iamlindoro_:

though nobody measures network bandwidth in Megabyte/s

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PatrickDK:

damn lame people :)

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ldiamond:

euh, FTP and HTTP downloads are always rated in MegaBytes/s

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PatrickDK:

transport is always in bits, unless your using the parallel port :)

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ldiamond:

never in megabits.

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iamlindoro_:

ldiamond: FTP and HTTP have nothing to do with the way that network speeds are rated

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PatrickDK:

ldiamond, downloads are files, so therefor storage, and therefor megabytes

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PatrickDK:

but the over wire speed of ftp and http is always calculated in bits, in every program I have

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sid3windr:

you must not be using regular programs

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sid3windr:

:p

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ldiamond:

well, firefox

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ldiamond:

filezilla

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PatrickDK:

sid, nope :)

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PatrickDK:

yuk, gui stuff

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sid3windr:

lftp measures in bytes ;)

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sid3windr:

as does lynx

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sid3windr:

and wget

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iamlindoro_:

This is why we buy Gigabit ethernet, and not "134.2 MByte ethernet"

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PatrickDK:

sid, I dont use either of them

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sid3windr:

;)

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ldiamond:

imalindoro, theres no real standard for that.

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sid3windr:

ldiamond: yes there is

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iamlindoro_:

ldiamond: Ummm you are wrong

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ldiamond:

you can rate stuffs in bits/s or bytes/s

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PatrickDK:

no, cause bytes assumes 8bits

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iamlindoro_:

network speeds are rated in $UNITbytes/s

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PatrickDK:

and you can't measure 8bits easily on a serial connection

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sid3windr:

sunny terrabytes?

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sid3windr:

everything communications-related is in bits, this includes bandwidth of connections

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sid3windr:

it does not include your "download speed in your browser"

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PatrickDK:

electrically it transfers at 4 bits I believe, manchester encoding

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sid3windr:

like sata is 3Gbit, with is 300MB/sec

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sid3windr:

</educationalism> ;)

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iamlindoro_:

anyway, this is classic #mythtv-users tedium, point being 6–8 Mbit (a proper network speed) would not be enough for more HD material, whereas with your metric (which would be about 70 Mbit/s) it would be fine

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Lynet:

Are we really going to rehash the old baud / bits/sec / bytes/sec / 2^x / 10^x tedious thing again?

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PatrickDK:

lynet, you have something better to do today? :)

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ldiamond:

more like 48 Mbits/s

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sid3windr:

Lynet: do you have a different interesting topic? :D

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iamlindoro_:

ldiamond: 8 Mbyte/s is 67 Mbit

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ldiamond:

6 Mbit/s = 48

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iamlindoro_:

and 6 is 50

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iamlindoro_:

nope

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iamlindoro_:

not 48

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iamlindoro_:

50

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Lynet:

Are we counting ip/tcp overhead or not? Jumbo frames or not? ;-p

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iamlindoro_:

50,331,648 bits, to be exact

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ldiamond:

6 mbyte*

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PatrickDK:

iamlindoro, he isn't accounting for tcp/udp/ip headers

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iamlindoro_:

bah

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ldiamond:

of course not

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PatrickDK:

he isn't even talking bandwidth

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PatrickDK:

he is talking data passed over wire, who cares about overhead

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iamlindoro_:

people who don't know what units bandwidth comes in don't get to act haughty about things :)

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Lynet:

PatrickDK: Oh, don't forget the ACKs and overhead in the file transfer protocol.

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PatrickDK:

hehe :)

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sid3windr:

heh

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PatrickDK:

I haven't had to calculate that out since I did voip setups

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sid3windr:

are we now measuring throughput based on protocol? :>

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sid3windr:

SMB will lose big time ;)

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PatrickDK:

smb has throughput?

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sid3windr:

:]

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sid3windr:

"0" also is throughput

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iamlindoro_:

yes. When you're through, you put it away and use NFS

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PatrickDK:

nfs isn't that great still, but better

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PatrickDK:

network block protocol? :)

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Lynet:

What is most efficient anyway? net block device?

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PatrickDK:

ya

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Lynet:

ata-over-ethernet. *ducks*

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PatrickDK:

I still wonder about iscsi

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PatrickDK:

and I use iscsi in production

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GreyFoxx:

ata over ethernet works suprisingly well

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iamlindoro_:

Don't mind Greyfoxx, that's just the cat on the keyboard again ;)

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iamlindoro_:

^^ Lost on anyone not here last night

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Lynet:

Does it do any error handling at all, as in what happens if you unplug/replug the cable?

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whoDat_:

my firewire has an uncanny ability of not wanting to prime only when it happends to be prime time television 8–10pm lol.

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iamlindoro_:

whoDat_: 5C is per-program rather than per-channel, there's a fair chance they flag all the primetime programming (you'd know if you got "sync failed" when trying to run firewire_tester)

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GreyFoxx:

iaml: I have 3 cats, who love my keyboards :)

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iamlindoro_:

GreyFoxx: if any of them are laptops, nice heat source, what's not to love?

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GreyFoxx:

It's a pretty sure bet that if I'm on from home I'm on a laptop

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GreyFoxx:

It's rare I go to a desktop PC and sit down there

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justinh:

the plot thickens... the card left at my house says the package is back at the depot but the depot think it's been signed for, and apparently none of my neighbours answers to the name 'Brian'

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justinh:

I thought that the introduction of computerised systems was supposed to alleviate problems like the left hand not having a fecking clue what the right hand is doing...

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justinh:

seems whoever idiot-proofed the system for Citylink didn't figure on the idiots they employ these days

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ldiamond:

Is there an easy way to get a composite/svideo output from a VGA output

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justinh:

ldiamond: easy? yeah buy a VGA to TV adapter/scaler for $$$

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PatrickDK:

justinh, you sure they even delievered it to the right street or city?

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GreyFoxx:

ldi: It's a much better option to buy a card with a tvout on it

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justinh:

they cost more than a low end nvidia card

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PatrickDK:

I just shipped something and they said the road didn't exist

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PatrickDK:

cause they where in the wrong city

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justinh:

PatrickDK: if they don't know how the fuck should I know?

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GreyFoxx:

ldiam: less to buy a new card, and no sync issues which you will see with a VGA->svideo adapter

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: I think you are officially #mythtv-users' most stolen-from member

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ldiamond:

The problem is that Geforce 7050 dont seem to have tvout.

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ldiamond:

and a video card wont fit in the case.

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GreyFoxx:

Why re you required to use a 7050 ?

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ldiamond:

havent found any 7200

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PatrickDK:

greyfoxx, same reson he is required to use bytes instead of bits :)

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justinh:

what kind of case is too ill-equipped to fit a proper VGA card into?

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PatrickDK:

I have a low profile 5200 that works nice in my cases :)

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justinh:

even lame-ass shuttles can accomodate real cards AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

ldian: You can't fit a video card in a case? wth kind of case is it ?

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justinh:

iamlindoro_: I might very well be. sucks eh

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GreyFoxx:

ldiam: Do you have the motherboard already? Maybe get one with onboard video ?

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ldiamond:

http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_cont . . . amp;area=usa

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ldiamond:

Greyfoxx, thats what I'm trying to find

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justinh:

an lc19? what madness?

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ldiamond:

I found a mobo with 7050

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ldiamond:

but that doesnt have tv out

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ldiamond:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=A . . . .0&s=AM2

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justinh:

<3 my intel board with integrated everything

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ldiamond:

what model?

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Motherboa . . . -K8N51PVMT-9

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GreyFoxx:

includes an svideo output

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GreyFoxx:

onboard Geforce 6150

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justinh:

well, gonna have a nosey down at the depot to find out if they've got it or not – but if their computer says no.. and my neighbours all say they don't have it.. that'll be a card refund & I go to Tesco

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justinh:

ldiamond: Aopen i945GMm-Hl IIRC

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ldiamond:

socket 939 and DDR400 memory, not much of an option

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justinh:

only takes c2d mobile (merom) chips though

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justinh:

the LAN chip sometimes fails to come alive at boot – maybe once in every 20 times which is slightly annoying

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justinh:

I suspect that's more to do with the way ubuntu is shutting down than anything else

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justinh:

maybe the kernel. CBA to look into it, so it's obviously not _that_ annoying ;-)

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ldiamond:

is it a DVI-I or DVI-D on that?

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justinh:

has DVI & VGA AFAIK

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justinh:

can't remember

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ldiamond:

yea, dvi, vga and svideo

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justinh:

http://www.ciao.co.uk/AOpen_I945GMm_HL__6642451#productdetail

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ldiamond:

svideo looks better than composite right?

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GreyFoxx:

usually yes

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PatrickDK:

only on color tv's

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justinh:

gawd I hate websites that make you register just so you can buy stuff

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justinh:

oh yeah I like this site. deliver to work & they use UPS

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justinh:

and it's only Â£6

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SHADOW__X1:

GreyFoxx: on your geforce 6150 board can you have vga out and composit yellow rca out at the same time

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ldiamond:

Justinh, can your i945GMm do 1080p?

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justinh:

yeah

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ldiamond:

what cpu you got?

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GreyFoxx:

shad: I don't have it, a coworker does

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SHADOW__X1:

ah hmm

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justinh:

oh hell not this '1080p' meaning X264 shit again

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GreyFoxx:

shad: he sais that he has both enabled but only uses the tvout 99% of the time

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SHADOW__X1:

i read somewhere that the chipset can only do 1 analog 1 digital at a time

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GreyFoxx:

the VGA is just for maintenance

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: Still worse is the "x264 is a codec" nonsense

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SHADOW__X1:

i have an asus board with that if thats the case i might usa a dvi to vga converter and still have rca composite

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GreyFoxx:

I bought the appropriate board and hardware to do what I wanted rather than trying to shoe horn everyting into a tiny case :)

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justinh:

well, off to the depot I go. wish me luck. I promise I won't shoot anybody

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iamlindoro_:

justinh: along with the "there's no such thing as bitrate or encoding options" myth

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a board with dual PCIe cards in it with seperate X Sessions feeding to outputs via DVI->hdmi cables

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SHADOW__X1:

GreyFoxx: my tiny case handles its own and has a45 watt dual core :D

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GreyFoxx:

1 to the projector and 1 to the lcdflatscreen

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SHADOW__X1:

well excuse me mister

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SHADOW__X1:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboard . . . oductID=2539 I believe that's the one I'm using on my "main" frontend box

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GreyFoxx:

runs a couple seperate mythfrontends to the seperate cards

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm how does audio work with the sep cards if you dont mind me asking

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GreyFoxx:

Currently they feed 1 sound system as both are in a single room and I only ever watch 1 at a time

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GreyFoxx:

But previously I used 2 sound cards

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GreyFoxx:

(when I had it feeding TV's in different rooms)

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SHADOW__X1:

ah ok

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SHADOW__X1:

makes sense

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GreyFoxx:

the onboard sounds plus a pci soundblaster

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GreyFoxx:

My master backend is currrently a frontend feeding my motherinlaw nextdoor via coax

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GreyFoxx:

I merge it into her cable so any TV in her house goes to channel 4

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GreyFoxx:

and sees the frontend

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm how do you go through coax GreyFoxx

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iamlindoro_:

With an RF modulator, very likely

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PatrickDK:

it's not hard

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iamlindoro_:

ie SD only (not QAM)

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GreyFoxx:

I use an RF modulator to take the audio out, and svideo output and place them on channel 4, I feed that to her basement and use a splitter (backwards as a combiner) and a signal pad to block the channel 4 from the cbale company

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GreyFoxx:

I have 1 setup in my house so my wife can move room to room with her music

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whoDat_:

iamlindoro: in regards to prime time programs, on some weeks, for the exact same show, (so you think you can dance) it lets me record, other weeks it doesnt. and whenn it doesnt prime, if I reboot the STB then it usually will.

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iamlindoro_:

whoDat_: like I said, if it says "sync failed" in firewire_tester, then it's 5C... if it just says "Failed" then it's not primed

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whoDat_:

it just says 'Failed'. I have never seen it say "sync failed".

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iamlindoro_:

then I think the time of day is a red herring, has nothing to do with time of day

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whoDat_:

maybe I should try another firewire card, i read that on the wiki.

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whoDat_:

right now i am using the firewire port built into the MB

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SHADOW__X1:

ah ok GreyFoxx and iamlindoro so you go backwards w ith the signal

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iamlindoro_:

SHADOW__X1: ummm... no

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SHADOW__X1:

i mean when he used the splitter

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GreyFoxx:

Not really, I'm just the source of the channel

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SHADOW__X1:

ah ok

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GreyFoxx:

and I "merge" it into to the incoming line from the cableco

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SHADOW__X1:

right

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GreyFoxx:

after I block the channel coming from them

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GreyFoxx:

so there is no overlap

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GreyFoxx:

here channel 4 is just some junk ads channel :)

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm how do you block it you said a signal pad?

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GreyFoxx:

yep, tiny little unit I plug in between their line and the house line

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GreyFoxx:

I have a small army of them from back when I worked for the cableco

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GreyFoxx:

padds and blockers

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SHADOW__X1:

lol ah nice

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SHADOW__X1:

can i get one of those at say a radio shack because i am looking but maybe be looking in the wrong spot

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iamlindoro_:

http://www.radioshack.com/sm-rf-modulatorvide . . . 2103095.html

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SHADOW__X1:

yeah i found that iamlindoro_ i meant i cant find the channel blocker

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PatrickDK:

most channel blockers online will block channels in the 60–80 range

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iamlindoro_:

That is more specialized, unlikely Radio Shack will have one

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm would a consumer level store have it

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PatrickDK:

unlikely

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PatrickDK:

and if they do, they would only have maybe 1 channel to pick from

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SHADOW__X1:

hmm

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GreyFoxx:

shad: Just buy a modulator that uses the higher channels

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GreyFoxx:

mine are elcheapo walmart jobbies

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GreyFoxx:

there are nicer ones whcih can use any channel up to 125

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SHADOW__X1:

hm alright

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GreyFoxx:

and just use one which doesn't already have something on it

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GreyFoxx:

http://www.smarthome.com/_/index.aspx

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GreyFoxx:

That place sells several different ones

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SHADOW__X1:

i found this site

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SHADOW__X1:

http://www.techtoolsupply.com/index.asp?pagea . . . category=262

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SHADOW__X1:

but dont know how good it is

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SHADOW__X1:

looking at these

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SHADOW__X1:

http://www.smarthome.com/7764.html

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SHADOW__X1:

http://www.smarthome.com/7715a.html

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SHADOW__X1:

http://www.smarthome.com/7764t.html

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SHADOW__X1:

20 bucks

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Dagmar:

Oh my!

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Dagmar:

http://www.k-d-w.org/node/51

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Dagmar:

For those wondering why I linked that... "Next week, I'm going to find a way to distinguish TV channels from radio channels (both internally and through D-Bus) and write a GUI to access the Scanner parts."

[17:50:30]

Dagmar:

This is in re to dude's work with DVB-T cards.

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Dagmar:

Support for some of this crap in d-bus would be a huge win

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: ping

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Dagmar:

yo

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: hey dude – how's it going ?

[18:00:41]

Dagmar:

Fine other than the usual nonsenes

[18:00:43]

rk4n3:

Dagmar: I read the ##slackware logs – sorry about the crappy treatment you got there

[18:01:20]

Dagmar:

Yeah well, they're just going to have to learn that a measure of self-control is necessary in ops

[18:01:31]

rk4n3:

indeed

[18:01:42]

Dagmar:

wigglit might as well have been saying the sky is green

[18:01:58]

rk4n3:

no doubt – you were so in-the-right it wasn't even funny

[18:02:43]

Dagmar:

TBH tho the only thing about it that even bothers me a little is that wigglit might still be thinking that wrong bit of info

[18:03:01]

rk4n3:

... and propogating it – I know, sucks

[18:03:22]

rk4n3:

well, at least I know you're here, so when I try Myth out I'll know where to get correct info :)

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Dagmar:

We're definitely the minority case for viruses and worms. It hardly bears bothering with researching since most of the antivir vendors barely even want to mention they exist on this platform

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Dagmar:

rk4n3: Heck you'll probably be able to get packages and/or build scripts from me

[18:04:07]

rk4n3:

cool

[18:04:22]

rk4n3:

yeah, I don't know how anyone can think otherwise on the virus issue...

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Dagmar:

I'm still lagged on Slack 12 on my myth box, but rebuilding for 12.1 is pretty trivial

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rk4n3:

cool – I'm debating whether its worth doing now with my little Hauppauge 401 card, or whether I should wait till I get a newer/better one

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Dagmar:

It kinda depends. If your box has at least a 1.8Ghz CPU you can record with that framegrabber, but I wouldn't suggest sharing that cpu power with anything else (like, running the backend as a daemon on your workstation would not work so well)

[18:07:21]

Dagmar:

We really kinda strongly discourage framegrabbers considering the relative cheapnesss of hardware accellerated encoding through things like the PVR-150

[18:07:51]

Dagmar:

The difference in the amount of effort needed to record between framegrabbers and hardware accellerated cards is literally like night and day

[18:08:11]

Dagmar:

...with the night possibly being freezing cold, with heavy rain, and werewolves.

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rk4n3:

heh

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rk4n3:

so the PVR-150 is a decent way to go ? I see their selling a PVR 1212 now...

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rk4n3:

s/their/they're

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Dagmar:

Ohh... The PVR 1212 is usually referred to as the HD-PVR

[18:11:12]

Dagmar:

It's for a slightly different sort of thing.

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rk4n3:

aha

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Dagmar:

Basically, it has no tuner, *but* it can encode to H.264 from component input (as well as composite and s-video)

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Dagmar:

So, it would be the thing to buy if you're using a digital STB and wanted to get HD recordings.

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rk4n3:

ah, the WinTV-PVR series has the tuners

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Dagmar:

The PVR-150 has a tuner (as well as s-video and composite inputs) and is useful if you have just the reg'lar extended basic cable lineup

[18:13:00]

Dagmar:

If you want to do premium (encrypted) channels then you need an STB and maybe a firewire cable or IR blaster so Myth can tell it when to change channels.

[18:13:31]

Dagmar:

I guess an IR blaster (maybe a firewire cable) is useful in either case when an STB is involved, but basically PVR-150 == SD and HD-PVR == HD

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Dagmar:

Playing back h.264 is still a MOAR MEGAHURTZ problem tho

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rk4n3:

ic

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Dagmar:

In 2–3 months we'll hopefully see something semi-stable/mostly-useful out of Gallium for putting video card hardware accelleration to use for playback of both MPEG-2 and h.264

[18:15:58]

rk4n3:

I suppose if I want DVR-type-functionality, I'm going to want 2–4 tuners, too...

[18:16:48]

Jeffc:

having an issue with mythweb and playing videos. when I click on a link I get You don't have permission to access /mythweb/data/video/castaway.avi. I even tried doinga chmod 777 on the castaway.avi file but no luck.

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Dagmar:

rk4n3: Well, I'm using a PVR-500, which is basically two PVR-150's on one PCI card

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kormoc_:

Jeffc, you need to give permissions on the containing directories as well

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Jeffc:

ok let me check that

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: that sounds like what I'd like...

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kormoc_:

and whatever user apache is running as is the user that needs permissions

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rk4n3:

gaah, they don't have it on their web site...

[18:20:49]

Jeffc:

i noticed my /var/www/mythweb directory and subdirectories as well are all owned by root (using ubuntu). Is that normal or should they be owned by the wwwrun user?

[18:21:29]

Dagmar:

rk4n3: Which, the PVR-500? NewEgg should still have some.

[18:21:38]

Dagmar:

They've stopped making them it seems

[18:22:09]

Dagmar:

kormoc: chown `ps -C httpd -o user= | grep -v root | uniq` data for the overly-complex-win

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: newegg is out-of-stock, but I found it at hauppauge (their search required the WinTV on the front) ... $149

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kormoc_:

Jeffc, hell if I know. Ubuntu is weird...

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's not *quite* cost effective over two PVR-150's anymore

[18:24:36]

Dagmar:

When they were in full production you could usually get one for almost the same price or $5–10 cheaper than two 150's

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Dagmar:

It just meant lurking for 2 weeks or so to catch someone putting them on sale

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: the one card is convenient though...

[18:25:29]

Dagmar:

Yeah, unless you've got an ASUS A7V-based card

[18:25:43]

Dagmar:

That one line of theirs can not use the PVR-500 at all.

[18:25:49]

Dagmar:

er not card, motherboard. Sorry.

[18:26:25]

rk4n3:

ah, I don't usually choose ASUS – good to know, though

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Dagmar:

Basically, Hauppauge took the _really easy_ way out of putting two of those on one card. They just took the circuitry for a PVR-150, put two sets of them on one card, and added a PCI bridge chip

[18:27:06]

Dagmar:

So, what was happening with the A7V's was that they'd come up, get to POST, and then *look for a PCI bridge* to find the disk controllers.

[18:27:08]

rk4n3:

heh – sounds simple, sometimes simple is good :)

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Dagmar:

Yeah, except the A7V boards were "simple" in the "safety helmet" and "short bus" form

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rk4n3:

lol

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Dagmar:

Finding the PVR-500 card's bridge and no disk controllers behind it, the board would then come to a complete halt. No booty.

[18:28:14]

Dagmar:

In every other way the A7V boards were very nice tho, which is what makes it annoying.

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kormoc_:

no setting to only use onboard ide controllers? Seems silly not to have that option

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Dagmar:

They had lots of SATA ports and *multiple* 3-pin fan headers on the board, BIOS splash graphics, etc etc

[18:29:29]

rk4n3:

yeah, mobo's with sweet features and one annoying quirk are my life's story pretty much

[18:31:25]

rk4n3:

Tyan, MachSpeed, ECS, Shuttle – all incredibly-cool mobo's that I've tried in some incarnation or another, and they have all pretty much had strange quirks, from USB controller problems to VIA chipset idiosyncracies

[18:32:22]

Dagmar:

Yeah, I've started doing massive amounts of Google searches before buying any new board now

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kormoc_:

Intel vanilla hardware for the win!

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rk4n3:

me too – I consult with my brother, too – he buys, crashes, and burns tons of boards so I try to leverage his misfortune

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Jeffc:

kormoc_: thanks you were right. parent dir permissions were the culprit

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kormoc:

no problem

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Yeah, but that tends to lock one into an Intel chip, which ain't always cost-effective

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rk4n3:

Dagmar: well, work calls – good talking to you again :)

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Dagmar:

Intel would probably be able to get a sizeable advantage over AMD if they would make it less insane trying to figure out which chip can go into what board.

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Dagmar:

rk4m3: no problem. Take care

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Dagmar:

kormoc: D'jou see that about someone working on d-bus support for DVB handling?

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kormoc:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

Man that'll be nice

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kormoc:

Won't help me tho, no dvb :P

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but it'll help the people who are constantly futzing with DVB scanning problems and not finding any channels, etc etc

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kormoc:

well, it just means you get to point them at #dbus :P

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Dagmar:

It *should* also dramatically simplify what MythTV has to do with it

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Unless there's a problem with different vendors of DVB cards not using unique vendor/product codes, it'll more likely be a matter of saying "get a better antenna/dish"

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PatrickDK:

stacked antenna's :)

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Dagmar:

I was *kinda* wondering why it wasn't already being partially dealt with by dbus actually

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kormoc:

dbus is still 'new'

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kormoc:

I still don't run it for some reason

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Dagmar:

It's the bomb for lots of stuff, particularly wireless cards.

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Dagmar:

It also pretty much solves the problem of lack of granularity of controls over hardware.

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ldiamond:

What do you people use to encode dvds to divx/xvid?

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Dagmar:

Some quick XML hacking and you can give individual users the right to change the ESSID or not and so forth

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Dagmar:

ldiamond: Whatever the heck mythtranscode uses, or occasionally transcode and/or ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

There's exactly zero easy solutions to transcoding video.

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GreyFoxx:

I've used AutoGK for most of mine honestly

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GreyFoxx:

in awindows vmware session

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Dagmar:

AutoGK is the least onerous of the Windows kits

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Dagmar:

I can at least say that much about it.

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clever:

GreyFoxx: qemu on my masterbackend runs like a 5mhz, would vmware be any faster?

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Dagmar:

It's still far too easy to get those transocder wrappers to gen a completely screwed up file tho

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kormoc:

ffmpegx! (for os x)

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justinh:

the depot didn't have it, then thought they had it, then they couldn't find it.. and then at last they found it.

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GreyFoxx:

cleve: *shrug* I've never had a performance issue because something was a virtual

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GreyFoxx:

never used qemu either :)\

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kormoc:

clever, you could always, you know, try it, it is free after all

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justinh:

and what hoops you have to jump through to get vista home premium connected to a wired network, sheesh

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clever:

kormoc: then why did i have to get a keygen to even install vmware on windows:P

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kormoc:

clever, cause you didn't use the free product?

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GreyFoxx:

clev: Because you were either installing an OLD copy of workstation or esx

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clever:

ahh

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GreyFoxx:

just get gsx and you can get like 5 free key soff their website

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kormoc:

or use server, http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

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clever:

it was a whole iso image and key gen in a unmentionable to___t thing:P

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kormoc:

or player, http://www.vmware.com/products/player/

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Dagmar:

clever: Yet another way trying to go for complex burned you

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kormoc:

personally, I bought workstation and fusion cause I wanted the 3d stuff, but hey, just running for video and the like, server/player is fine

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GreyFoxx:

Korm: I have some paid for keys for work station from my last job which bought it for me

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GreyFoxx:

but the free version has long since surpassed it for me

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kormoc:

I keep on the upgrade chain for some reason

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** kormoc shrugs **

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justinh:

riiight. new mac id added to the dhcp server. sorted

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justinh:

wow these laptop vendors really like cluttering the systray with shite

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stoneymonster:

what, you don't appreciate the "Dell meta-update update monitor now with mini-ads"?

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justinh:

not really, no

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Lynet:

What really gets me is all the software crud that motherboard vendors feel that they have to include. It is like they held the user interface guidelines upside-down when they designed the stuff.

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justinh:

bloody hell wmp11 sees my backend & just plays tv recordings :-O

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Lynet:

upnp turned out to be good for something, eh?

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justinh:

apparently

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ldiamond:

I can't get any divx/xvid video to work correctly

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ldiamond:

the sound is always screwed up

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ldiamond:

and keeps skipping.

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justinh:

MOAR CPU needed?

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ldiamond:

nah

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ldiamond:

the playback doesnt take much cpu

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ldiamond:

I really dont know what's wrong

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ldiamond:

Ill try different settings

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Dagmar:

No.

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Dagmar:

Try the _correct_ settings.

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Dagmar:

If you go 'round just changing things to see what happens, you're going to have more problems than what you started wiht.

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plb_:

anyone know if this card with work...http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/754655235.html

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plb_:

ATI all in wonder 8500DV

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famicom:

In mythfrontend, all the characters in the OSD and programn guide get cropped

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Dagmar:

Sounds like you went and tried to override the font sizes in the frontend setup menus

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famicom:

hmmm

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famicom:

well i made them smaller

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ldiamond:

Any recent motherboard have can do HD and have tv-out (svideo) ?

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BULLE:

ldiamond: uhm, HD and svideo dont combine

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BULLE:

ldiamond: you realy need hdmi/dvi or component output, to get hd to your tv

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SHADOW__X1:

BULLE: well depending my asus board does most of that with an integrated geforce 6150

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BULLE:

SHADOW__X1: yeah, but you cant realy output hd over svideo

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SHADOW__X1:

its a m2npv-vm

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BULLE:

SHADOW__X1: that was what i ment

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SHADOW__X1:

ah sorry

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Dagmar:

What a tard

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SHADOW__X1:

just trying to help

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BULLE:

SHADOW__X1: no worries

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SHADOW__X1:

iti does component dvi vga svidia and composite

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SHADOW__X1:

yeah svideo isnt that great

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BULLE:

anyone who can tell me how i mark a darn channel as a favourite in the EPG, according to the keybinding docs its "/" but if i hit that key combo, all that happens is that the "cursor" jumps to a certain channel

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BULLE:

hitting "/" and then 4 doesnt change a thing =(

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BULLE:

Dagmar: who is a "tard" ?

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BULLE:

ah, docs are incorrect, its "?" nowadays

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clever:

? and / are the same key

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clever:

just a shift appart

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clever:

and i just check the key binding plugin

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Lynet:

Not all keyboards are american keymap, but whatever..

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

that too

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plb:

can anyone tell me if this card is supported under linux http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/sys/754655235.html

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plb:

for watching tv i mean

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BULLE:

clever: well, on a .se keyboard they are not the same key, and they are not a shift apart, mythtv doesnt react to "?" but to "\" wich is a bit wierd, as hitting ? does produce a ? in all mythtv textboxes etc

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BULLE:

ehm, it reacts to ? but not /

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BULLE:

darn, lots of keys to keep track of

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clever:

also on a french keyboard

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clever:

i got atleast 2 keys for /

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clever:

which give diff things when shifted

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ldiamondd:

I did not mean a board that can output HD on svideo, just a board that has both DVI (or HDMI) (for HD) and S-video for SD.

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ldiamondd:

The only board I found that does this is a aopen MoDT

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high-rez:

Why not do your SD out HDMI?

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ldiamondd:

You can easily get Composite/svideo out of hdmi?

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high-rez:

They're not going to the same device?

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ldiamondd:

well, composite or svideo

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high-rez:

I guess I don't understand. My frontend does hdmi out to my display. It has HD and SD sources, but since it only feeds to one display I don't need to output over different cables.

[22:05:24]

ldiamondd:

I want something that works on sd tvs with composite/svideo and that works on HD tvs with hdmi/component

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high-rez:

And you want it on the motherboard?

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ldiamondd:

ideally yes

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ldiamondd:

if not then its easy to find a video card that has it

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high-rez:

pretty much any modern video card will fit the bill. I'm sure pickens are slim on the motherboard side though.

[22:07:02]

ldiamondd:

but i'm trying to find something with the smallest form factor

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high-rez:

I just don't understand the need for the duality. My frontend only hooks to the one display and never moves from display to display. :)

[22:08:09]

high-rez:

I guess if one were building a blackbox to sell it would be useful to have all in one package.

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ldiamondd:

I dont have any HD tv now

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ldiamondd:

but I will in the future

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ldiamondd:

and I'm moving every 4 months or so

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ldiamondd:

and I dont always have the same TV everywhere I go

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high-rez:

Ahh

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high-rez:

I don't know. I'm using an nvidia 5600 which does dvi out and svideo out.

[22:11:58]

high-rez:

It also doesn't have a fan on it so noise is kept to a minimum.

[22:12:17]

ldiamondd:

but thats a video card, not integrated graphis?

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high-rez:

Right.

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high-rez:

I've heard that the nvidia 5xxx series cards are actually superb for HD video, capabilites lost in 6xxx and beyond.

[22:13:32]

high-rez:

But for me it was a card without a fan and less than 50 bucks ;)

[22:13:44]

kormoc:

only color OSD when using XV

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** kormoc shrugs **

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kormoc:

*XVMC

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high-rez:

That did HD with XvMC (the rest of my system sucks, I have to use XvMC to display HD)

[22:14:35]

high-rez:

kormoc: Even opengl overlays are B&W?

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kormoc:

Haven't tried that

[22:15:04]

high-rez:

I've kind of heard that the deinterlacing in XvMC sucks. I've considered going to a software renderer.

[22:15:19]

high-rez:

(infact, it does suck – looks really awful on my hdtv)

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kormoc:

I really liked nvidia's magic de-interlacing

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high-rez:

?

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high-rez:

Tell me more about the magic. Maybe i'm not selecting a right option. ;)

[22:16:39]

kormoc:

it's always just worked (tm) for me, but it has some logic to take a interlaced signal and make it look right

[22:16:46]

kormoc:

I have a 6200 fyi

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high-rez:

So you have B&W OSD?

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kormoc:

If I run XvMC, yes

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high-rez:

I think I selected XvMC->Opengl&Chromakey

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kormoc:

but I typically run XV and it works great

[22:17:42]

kormoc:

I don't de-interlace and I get a great display on my hdtv

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high-rez:

XV goes 5FPS on my machine.

[22:20:09]

high-rez:

What are the other specs on your hardware? And source video?

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kormoc:

core 2 duo, 1.6ghz, 2 gigs of ram, m179 (pvr 250 clone), Dish network interlaced feed

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high-rez:

My FE is an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ (1.5ghz machine) with 1 gig ram. nVidia 5600 video card w/128 megs of ram. Playing 1280x720P video requires XvMC for me...

[22:21:40]

Dagmar:

Yep. It's gonna

[22:21:53]

Dagmar:

Turn on UseEvents in your xorg.conf if you've not already, BTW.

[22:22:04]

Dagmar:

Check the nVidia driver README for specifically what to do there.

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high-rez:

Dagmar: Yeah? What'll that do? :)

[22:22:40]

high-rez:

I'll give anything a tree to make it better. I got SBA and FastWrites enabled. Didn't really notice a speedup though.

[22:22:53]

Dagmar:

The readme explains it.

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Dagmar:

It's basically the difference between polling and spinlocks and signals

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kormoc:

here's my current xorg, https://www.kormoc.com/stuff/xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

kormoc: I think the BusID parser is on crack personally

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high-rez:

Interesting. Work even in older version of the driver? I'm running 100.14.19... Newer versions – XvMC wouldn't init (would just crash the X server)

[22:24:19]

kormoc:

Dagmar, why?

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Dagmar:

At least, it does NOT appear to parse correctly on my last build from last week

[22:24:39]

Dagmar:

It'll futz up and not find the video card, and then log that it was looking for a whole 'nother device than what I specified.

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kormoc:

high-rez, should work

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high-rez:

kormoc: So you're just doing SD content – enconding from your STB?

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kormoc:

high-rez, aye, but I have a few 720p movies I play on there, and some 1080i as well

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Dagmar:

It at least finds the card on it's own with no problem tho (thank god)

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kormoc:

Dagmar, huh, I'm up to the latest driver and it's working fine

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** kormoc shrugs **

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high-rez:

I tried but could not get my card to do 1920x1080 :(

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high-rez:

only 1280x720 to my display (dvi)

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kormoc:

well, i'm outputting the 1080i as 720, but it works

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high-rez:

I kind of suspect that the 5600 isn't capable of the resolution. Most of my HD is 720P anyways so it's not a big deal, but I'd rather myth do the upscaling than my display doing it.

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Dagmar:

There's a set number of modes pre-programmed into the video card.

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Dagmar:

For anything else, you have to generate a modeline.

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Dagmar:

Older cards will pretty much refuse to admit 1080 vertical res exists

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high-rez:

Even for digital ?

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high-rez:

E.g. I'm doing DVI out to my device. I thought modelines were only needed for analog video.

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Dagmar:

For everything.

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Dagmar:

Any time the video card's database of valid screen resolutions falls short of what you need, you'll have to use a modeline.

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high-rez:

Weak. I've never figured out the whole modeline thing.

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high-rez:

X, more times than not, is the weakest link in the linux desktop world I think. :|

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Users are.

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Dagmar:

Not even a little bit kidding.

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high-rez:

You must be a developer ;)

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squish102:

haha

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Dagmar:

Nope. Just someone who writes a lot of documentation.

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Dagmar:

Free software devs don't get to hide behind CS reps like paid coders do.

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Dagmar:

They can write docs, but basically, the moment something gets big, the very limited dev team starts getting bombarded with support requests for things that don't exist, and requests for explanations of things written in the docs

[23:03:02]

Dagmar:

...which means less free time to fix anything that might actually be broken.

[23:03:51]

Dagmar:

X actually works very well.

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Dagmar:

It's pretty obvious now that the Xorg fork was definitely the right thing to do, ,since it's been progressing 5–10x faster than before

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kormoc:

Dagmar, I do believe the card's modelines are actually included with the driver and not firmware based

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kormoc:

Dagmar, and sadly, it's slowing down again

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Dagmar:

kormoc: Well, that's probably because there was a ton of catchup to do

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kormoc:

heh, true enough

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Dagmar:

According to Intel's docs, they're stored in teh card's firmware.

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Dagmar:

I remember long ago seeing something along the same lines mentioned for an nVidia card

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kormoc:

Hrm

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kormoc:

I've seen in Nvidia drivers changelogs 'Adding modeline xxx to driver'

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kormoc:

perhaps the driver just extends if it's not in the firmware

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high-rez:

Perhaps it's both.

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Dagmar:

Probably so

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high-rez:

So I'm confused. Are modelines per display device (monitor) or video card? The mythtv wiki has a ton of modeliens on a permonitor basis.

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kormoc:

they're per display/output

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high-rez:

In the case of DVI (or HDMI) where two way communication is possible shouldn't the card be able to query the display for the appropriate modeline?

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kormoc:

EDID, aye

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kormoc:

doesn't always work tho

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high-rez:

Aha. So will the card always try EDID first and then resort to a standard modeline if it fails?

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kormoc:

unless you tell it otherwise, yes

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squish102:

now it would be nice if EDID worked without tons of overscan

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high-rez:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Modeline . . . andard_Modes

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high-rez:

I guess I'll try those for 1080p

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GreyFoxx:

VpobNvHI

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Dagmar:

high-rez: One somewhat annoying thing is that by default nVidia drivers/cards seem to check only ONE port for EDID.

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GreyFoxx:

VpobNvHI

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high-rez:

dagmar: So it's possible that I have it connected to the wrong port? I have a vga and a dvi port...

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Dagmar:

Annoyingly, the 6600 I was using on my gaming box would simply refuse to do EDID over the VGA output. The DVI output, no problem.

[23:17:50]

Dagmar:

Same, but obverse problem on another machine.

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Dagmar:

high-rez: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see what it's saying about it's attempt to query the monitor with EDID/DDC

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high-rez:

I'll give it a try. I have to be careful when making changes cause the wife hates me taking time to play with myth ;)

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squish102:

Dagmar if my Xorg mentions nothing about EDID or DDC but i am plugged into the DVI and hdmi, is that a problem?

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Dagmar:

It should be sayin' something about EDID

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Dagmar:

Unless you explicitly disabled it.

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Dagmar:

The default is to always probe for it.

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squish102:

im looking now, but dont see anything yet.. running nvidia driver

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opello:

is there some kind of paypal donate link for myth that i can't find?

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opello:

or don't they do that?

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Dagmar:

squish102: If it didn't work you'll find it mentioned in an EE or WW line

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Dagmar:

Otherwise the latest versions of Xorg are pretty quiet about it when it works like it's supposed to

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squish102:

i get the following

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squish102:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1071842

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squish102:

it tries all the modes and then selects one

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Dagmar:

If you aren't specifying the vertical or horizontal refresh rates in the xorg.conf and it has to fire blindly, it'll definitely carp

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squish102:

so if i have a 720p tv connected hdmi -> dvi -> computer, i shoul dhave done something before just plugging it in and firing up?

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Dagmar:

Not really

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Dagmar:

It's probably doing EDID just fine

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squish102:

should i do something now still? it displays but with horrid overscan, that i look for a theme that has the writing in the middle

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Dagmar:

If you want to get rid of the overscan, connect it with a VGA cable if it's got a VGA input.

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Dagmar:

It'll treat the input like it's supposed to be a monitor, so no overscan.

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squish102:

and doing settings is sometimes a hit or miss, as i cannot see the selected option ;(

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Dagmar:

Note

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Dagmar:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1071844

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Dagmar:

"#

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Dagmar:

(II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 1360 x 768"

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Dagmar:

It gets that from EDID on my TV, over VGA.

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Dagmar:

Native resolution of the display, so there's only one rescale that's ever going to happen, and the PC controls it

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squish102:

ok, great, let me try that

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squish102:

i just always thought the newer dvi technology would be better

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Dagmar:

You can also see in there where it's goig on about PCT:0:18:0, which is correct.

[23:53:08]

Dagmar:

Elsegwere in the log it says "12" instead of 18, which is the same thing in hex.

[23:53:19]

Dagmar:

Trying to specify *either* number in xorg.conf results in no screen tho

[23:53:56]

Dagmar:

It also says "(WW) NVIDIA: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:1:3) found" elsewhere, and it's definitely pulling that number out of it's butt

[23:54:11]

Dagmar:

I'm going to check for a newer version of the driver later.

[23:54:51]

Dagmar:

I got *one* xorg.conf file, and the fs was blank until I auto-configured it with xorgcfg so I can be very sure there's no backup xorg.conf file being read in elsewhere.

[23:55:07]

Dagmar:

So long as it works tho, it can be as crazy as it wants.

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squish102:

im still remembering the horror stories of playing with modlines and blowing screen

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Dagmar:

That hasn't been possible in about 20 years

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Dagmar:

....although for those it happened for I imagine it was quite memorable

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Dagmar:

Like, if you unplug the monitor from the PC and it shows some little "NO PICTURE" dialog on the screen, you can know it's not going to even pay attention to a signal that might be destructive

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squish102:

true

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MartinCleaver:

hey SHADOW__X1

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