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Saturday, July 12th, 2008, 00:00 UTC

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banyan:

Hiyas. what do I need to do if my cable company recently decided to switch around a bunch of channels for no good reason?

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iamlindoro:

assuming you mean w/ a QAM tuner, you will need to rescan for channels

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hads:

Ring them and tell them they are silly

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iamlindoro:

also that

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banyan:

This is just with a pvr350 / 500; I need to dump the records in the program table and do another mythfilldatabase?

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banyan:

or are there other tables that need to get dumped?

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iamlindoro:

ah, well in a perfect world, schedulesdirect has caught up with the moves by now, in which case you should just be able to do mythfilldatabase --do-channel-updates

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iamlindoro:

but not knowing your lineup, you would have to find that out

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SHADOW__X:

i want discovery in hd :(

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iamlindoro:

I'm watching it now, yay!

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DarkD:

Is ATSC support for myth stable?

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iamlindoro:

very much so

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: really.. i find it kinda flaky... but i donno why..

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iamlindoro:

although *myth* doesn't do anything but tap into the Linux APIs for such, and play/save the resulting streams, so your perspective may change per tuner

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iamlindoro:

but many many MANY people use it without issue on a daily basis

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iamlindoro:

and you're unlikely to get more help without describing your problem besides "flaky" :)(

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iamlindoro:

er :)

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DarkD:

i understand, just wanted to see if it was myth or driver.. i guess i got my answer

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DarkD:

what does myth do if the ATSC signal is not strong enough?

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iamlindoro:

not based on that question you didn't :)

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iamlindoro:

myth will record whatever your driver poops out

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iamlindoro:

ATSC, like DVB, is a digital signal. If your tuner pumps out a perfect stream, a slightly broken stream, or a really broken stream, then that's what you will get from myth

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SHADOW__X:

nice iamlindoro just need to rub it in huh i just need comcast to get better here

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: not rubbing in, but I *am* happy :)

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: so if the driver poops up no stream at all... everythign goes crazy right?

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: no, myth would just create a "B" length file, ie an empty file that does nothing

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: is there anyway to clean up "B" files then? liek sql statement or something

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iamlindoro:

not really, just need to clean them up manually and get your driver/tuner squared away

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SHADOW__X:

you can just go into watch recordings and delete it via front end DarkD

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iamlindoro:

You shouldn't get a B length file if your tuner is working and connected to some sort of source

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DarkD:

yeh but that takes forver..

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DarkD:

if the atmosphere is bad and reception sux.. :(

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iamlindoro:

If it takes you that long, you've neglected the problem too long

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SHADOW__X:

i want more hd channels here iamlindoro but thats not myth fault its comcast

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: yep

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SHADOW__X:

i have to say mythtv is wonderful just wish i was able to fix some of my driver issues

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DarkD:

if the atmosphere is bad and reception goes to 0.. its hardly the hardware...

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: you need to amplify your signal, repoint your antenna, or both

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: the tuner card isn't the only piece of hardware

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: check the logs from this AM, mkrufky linked a driver update for your card that fixes the analog issues, and also a workaround without them

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: unless the enviromnt conditions make it difficult and signal is zeroo... you know thats possible right.

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SHADOW__X:

this mourning ? iamlindoro sweet then i can record even more and fill up hd space

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: If you are using ATSC, and are unable to get a signal because of weather conditions, then you are too far to be able to get a decent signal

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: And yes, I am quite versed in digital reception, thanks

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: so stop arguing about stupid little things :-P

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iamlindoro:

Well, guess I won't bother you with any more assistance, then

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: oh common.. :-P

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iamlindoro:

they are *not* stupid

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SHADOW__X:

whoa whoa calm it down DarkD

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: gawd LMAO

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iamlindoro:

if the weather conditions are the thing that makes or breaks your signal, you are a) too far, b) have a poorly pointed antenna, or c) need amplification

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DarkD:

a) to far... well maybe... but i like lots of channels :)

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iamlindoro:

iff passing quarks give you a B length recording, then you have issues greater than MythTV

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DarkD:

b) probably.. but i donno how to point it better

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DarkD:

c) i got an amp.. but i dont think its working properly :(

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iamlindoro:

Use a signal strength meter

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iamlindoro:

and fix/tune your amp

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: where can i get a signal meter then

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iamlindoro:

wouldn't kill you to read ya know

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iamlindoro:

DarkD: Google knows, ask him

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DarkD:

*sigh*

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DarkD:

google knows to much :(

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iamlindoro:

well I can't wipe your heinie all night after all

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iamlindoro:

sometimes I've got to wipe my own

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: ummmm.... really??? when did you start :-P

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iamlindoro:

or, you know, actually *watch* TV

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iamlindoro:

"DarkD: Is ATSC support for myth stable?"

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iamlindoro:

right after that

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: LOL common you and i both know the answers you give are more for amusement then anything :-P

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: i know.. i do that all the time..

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok iamlindoro i found it

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SHADOW__X:

thanks for the heads up

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: np

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: but i luv you anyway :-P ..

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: but as my nefew would say

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DarkD:

"IM DONE!!!!"

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** DarkD sticks out his butt to be wiped.. **

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** SHADOW__X kicks it outttaaaa here **

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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DarkD:

lol nice

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DarkD:

but on a serious note.. I got one of those big antenas... unfortunatly i miss calculated and it seems im facing north.. not east.. im sopposed to point the antenna south... is there anythign i can do?

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SHADOW__X:

and iamlindoro i also got your joke

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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iamlindoro:

ummm

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iamlindoro:

turn it?

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iamlindoro:

maybe even glance at a compass this time?

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DarkD:

lol

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: i did but it seems to pick up the signal best at a very odd angle ?!?!?

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iamlindoro:

oh noes, what will the neighbors think

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: like 35 degreas off what it should be

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: well.. its a problem caus ei dont pick up the other channels im sopposed to

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SHADOW__X:

get 2 antennas

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iamlindoro:

^^^ that

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SHADOW__X:

or put it on a motor that adjusts it

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SHADOW__X:

case close

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SHADOW__X:

d

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iamlindoro:

The lost art of Antenna voodoo

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SHADOW__X:

ahhhhh voodoo

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iamlindoro:

or as the Brit's call it, "Aerial voodoo"

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SHADOW__X:

me skawed

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iamlindoro:

er Brits

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DarkD:

LoL

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DarkD:

yeh but i cant seem to find the bets direction

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DarkD:

i been told its cause the signal bounches through the house

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SHADOW__X:

is the ant out side or instide

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iamlindoro:

If all of these end with "Yeah but..." then hire a professional to build an antenna array and point it

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DarkD:

i tried both...

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DarkD:

http://www.aa-e.com/detail.php?groupID=9& . . . ctID=53-6305

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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DarkD:

thats teh antna

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DarkD:

3rd floor of an aparment :(

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SHADOW__X:

glue it to your window

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SHADOW__X:

if theres a will theres a way

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DarkD:

SHADOW__X: i have it on a stand and all..

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iamlindoro:

Where way == pay for cable then you shmuck

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: actualy i have high def digital cable.. but the quality SUCKS!

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: overly compressed

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iamlindoro:

So save your pennies and buy a hoooooooose

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madfactor:

???

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Dagmar:

Wait, when did we become technical support for people's fucking cable providers?

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Dagmar:

CALL YOUR CABLE COMPANY AND COMPLAIN TO THEM.

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madfactor:

laugh

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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DarkD:

Dagmar: im not asking about cable support :-P

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SHADOW__X:

amen

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iamlindoro:

NO DAGMAR YOU GET YOUR ASS OVER THERE AND YOU FUCKING FIX IT AND I MEAN NOW MISTER!

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SHADOW__X:

your asking about shitty quality support

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SHADOW__X:

lol

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DarkD:

Dagmar: pft..... they dont care i can complain all i want they wil just laf.. i had a sales guy leave the store once :-P its fun making them sweat...

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SHADOW__X:

whats the name of this chan

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DarkD:

SHADOW__X: actualy im asking abotu ATSC support

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DarkD:

SHADOW__X: for myth..

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iamlindoro:

Ah Laf-ter

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SHADOW__X:

eh kinda atsc support for linux

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DarkD:

well it eveolved to that...

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iamlindoro:

My god

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iamlindoro:

I'm actually starting to like SHADOW__X

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SHADOW__X:

wohoo

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DarkD:

LMAO i guess you hate me :(

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** iamlindoro eats pizza **

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iamlindoro:

can tk wif mah mouf fuw

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DarkD:

i guess thats why i never can get into the development threads of htese products.... i get to frustrated with the run aruond LMAO

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iamlindoro:

In what conceivable way have you received the runaround?

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iamlindoro:

I'm actually being *nice* iamlindoro right now

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SHADOW__X:

bitching about shit doesnt get jack done DarkD

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DarkD:

iamlindoro: lol sadly i know that too :-P'

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DarkD:

SHADOW__X: im not bitching about shit?....

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Dagmar:

DarkD: Let me put this another way

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SHADOW__X:

alright dude everyone here helps as much as they can

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iamlindoro:

If you're limited by being in an apartment, or you mispointed your ant, or whatever, that's nmot the runaround, that's a limitation of your location, not much myth can do about that

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iamlindoro:

not until the MythBuyYouAFuckingHouse plugin is done

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DarkD:

LMAO..

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SHADOW__X:

when is that plugin due btw iamlindoro

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Dagmar:

Complaining to us, that you should have your unreasonable request catered to, because you have a cable provider YOU don't know how to lean on properly, is a quick way to make everything think you're on the short bus

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DarkD:

Dagmar: umm im not really complaining about the cable.. i was just told that i should pay for service and i said i am... thats about it

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: It's got a dependency on the IamlindoroWinsTheLotto-dev package

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Dagmar:

s/everything/everyone/;

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madfactor:

My cable looks good on my Myth box.

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright ill try and do dev on that iamlindoro keep me posted

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Dagmar:

The bit what you were talking about signal bouncing through the house is called "ghosting"

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DarkD:

madfactor: i dont really care about cable :-P thats the funny part...

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Dagmar:

...and yes it's basically an echo of the signal that's being transmitted, and since it's an echo, it's slightly out of phase with the proper signal.

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J-e-f-f-A_:

J-e-f-f-A

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iamlindoro:

No, you be J-e-f-f-A, I'll be iamlindoro

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Dagmar:

The only way you can really get rid of ghosting is by antenna orientation, and it will frequently require more than one simple aerial

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Dagmar:

The idea being that the secondary poles of the aerial will cancel out the echoes, when they're pointed the right direction.

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madfactor:

Is there a Project Grayham widescreen theme avail for Myth 0.21?

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DarkD:

Dagmar: hmmm but am i picking up the ghost.. or the origianl signal?

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iamlindoro:

madfactor: AFAIK it's in the themes repos

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iamlindoro:

could be wrong, though

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Dagmar:

If all you were picking up was the ghost, your crap would be mostly static

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iamlindoro:

(not myththemes, but the themes one)

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DarkD:

Dagmar: even in digital?

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madfactor:

Not on the official WIKI, I'm on it right now.

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Dagmar:

If your'e talking about ATSC (digital) there is no ghosting.

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Dagmar:

You either have the signal strength for the reciever to be able to decode the digital stream, or you don't.

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iamlindoro:

madfactor: like I said, not myththemes, just the *themes* repos

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iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/themes

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DarkD:

Dagmar: intersting...... and wierd all at the same time...

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PatrickDK:

if there is, you have a crappy playback system :)

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Dagmar:

There is no such thing as "minor" image degradation from broadcasting a digital signal.

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DarkD:

Dagmar: well thank you for strainitng that out...

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DarkD:

Dagmar: yeh i though there was soemthign fishy abnout my info..

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madfactor:

Yeah, at less the physical ghosting effect doesn't actually show on the screen as ghosting.

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Dagmar:

You either get the image you're supposed to, or your screen fills with crap that's literally JUST like you see when you view a damaged JPEG.

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DarkD:

LOL

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DarkD:

one last question...

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iamlindoro:

thus TOTALLY interrupting the whacking

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J-e-f-f-A:

!trout DarkD fishy setup

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** MythLogBot slaps DarkD with a fishy setup trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... **

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Dagmar:

It's the same sorts of math being done. It literally is the exact same type of image malfunction.

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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DarkD:

wheres the best place to put it.... Outside on the balcony or inside.. seeing hwo the signal is sopposedly ont he other side of the house...

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** iamlindoro hates it when he gets a bunch of green lines everywhere below the navel **

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Dagmar:

Unless you're way on the periphery of the recievable range for those stations, any signal echoes being generated in your house should amount to only like 2–3% signal loss.

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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PatrickDK:

iam, atleast you got to see the fountains :)

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: hahaha

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Dagmar:

it's when you've got a signal bouncing off say, MOUNTAINS, or a big-ass hillside somewhere that you get into the 20–30% range

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madfactor:

50 coats of lead paint on the outside of the apartment.

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Dagmar:

Good for stopping cosmic rays.

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Dagmar:

Probably not so good for stopping TV transmission

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J-e-f-f-A:

... or if you have Aluminum siding like I have... :-(

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Dagmar:

...not unless you paint the windows over, too.

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PatrickDK:

what freq range is hdtv using?

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madfactor:

One little window, 2ft x 3ft into the room. haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

PatrickDK: Same as anlalog TV in the US, but mostly UHF range right now.

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Dagmar:

That's big enough to stick an aerial in as a dust catcher

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Dagmar:

Now, whether or not that window faces any transmitters... That's another problem

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PatrickDK:

I forget what part of the uhf they use

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PatrickDK:

everything from 500–800?

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Dagmar:

Uhh no

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J-e-f-f-A:

PatrickDK: The whole TV range. Same as analog channels – 2–69 ...

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PatrickDK:

the tv range has large holes poked in it :)

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DarkD:

dagmar thanx for the clerification

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madfactor:

•iamlindoro• Give me a good repo then... because google ain't hittin' crap.

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Dagmar:

It's actually 54Mhz to ~870Mhz.

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iamlindoro:

madfactor: I linked it about 30 lines ago :)

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Dagmar:

I had to freakin look it up

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Dagmar:

I keep seeing different numbers for the upper range on ATSC. Sometimes 860Mhz, sometimes 870Mhz.

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PatrickDK:

heh, I figured someone might know off hand :)

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Dagmar:

I was *hoping* to find a definite answer that time without going to the FCC's site

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PatrickDK:

well, I know some counteries go higher than the usa

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madfactor:

•iamlindoro• Thanks, I really need sleep. (hehe)

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PatrickDK:

that is probably why

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madfactor:

Got my Myth Server and my HD head now slammin and a jammin' now.

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Dagmar:

BY the way, anyone in Georgia who is *not* an extreme conservative will probably want to know about this breaking news: http://fishbowlamerica.com/?p=698

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PatrickDK:

ok, all the hdtv around me are in the 600–800 range :)

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PatrickDK:

like channels 40–70

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PatrickDK:

all the ones around me = 3 :(

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Dagmar:

I only mention it because it's really hilarious. Ya propose legislation outlawing sex toys and more legislation trying to outlaw homosexuality, and then get caught having buttsex with one of your aides? Of course you resign. I'm suprised he didn't kill himself.

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iamlindoro:

I live on a hill which perfectly blocks most of the channels (all transmit from the same tower here)

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PatrickDK:

hmm, hdtv has to move off of channels 50–70

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Yeah, saw that this AM, cracked me up

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iamlindoro:

it's *always* the repubs who have the secret bathroom goblin buttsecks

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure yet, but I think it's actually more funny than "I want to cut his nuts off."

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Dagmar:

I'm going to have to think about that awhile to decide

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Dagmar:

Man I recorded both O'Reilly and Hannity hoping they'd air more than just that little tiny clip

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iamlindoro:

Ew, and your mythbackend didn't segfault in protest?

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Dagmar:

No, actually my whole rig is running smooth as silk

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DarkD:

here most of the channels are broadcast fom the tower by the lake.. other side of the lake there are the us stations...

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iamlindoro:

you must have done ./configure --enable-repression

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Dagmar:

Remember, I started building this thing so I could record CNN anytime Bush says something stupid

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PatrickDK:

anything has to be good

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Dagmar:

...and now it's to the point that they don't let him get in front of cameras anymore, so I have to find other things to amuse myself with.

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iamlindoro:

soooooo 24/7 loop then

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PatrickDK:

if it can handle politics

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Dagmar:

^Thankfully they're not very bright about what they edit out of http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/07/

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Dagmar:

It gives me lots of material to work with

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Dagmar:

I'm spending most of my loose time now just trying to stabilize my Cinelerra build

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fryfrog:

anyone here in the US use at&t for wireless (or even better, have an iPhone)?

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iamlindoro:

yes, and I did until I broke it

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iamlindoro:

and tried to buy one this AM

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iamlindoro:

and waited in line

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Dagmar:

Like, this right here... http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2008/07/20080710-2.html

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fryfrog:

I'm sort of wondering why their "normal" plans are $70/mo + $10/mo/line, but if you want an *iPhone* it suddenly becomes $130/mo + $40/mo/line

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iamlindoro:

and got to the front

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Dagmar:

BIG mistake letting me get ahold of nice, high-quality footage

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iamlindoro:

and was told I had to go to AT&T on account of my plan

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iamlindoro:

after three hours

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fryfrog:

(for the same minutes and such)

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iamlindoro:

but that's another story

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fryfrog:

that sucks :/

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Dagmar:

I'm just going to go through and add translation subtitles and post it to YouTube so people can see what he's _really_ saying.

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: is the plan really that expensive? :/

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fryfrog:

i mean, obviously it is :(

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iamlindoro:

fryfrog: I still have an iPhone plan and mine is $90

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iamlindoro:

the $130 is the unlimited, but I don't need that

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fryfrog:

i was looking at "family" plans, cause my wife and i would need phoens

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iamlindoro:

Ah, don't know much about them, sorry

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fryfrog:

and those were only the lowest "family" one with 700minutes

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: You could have just paid full price for a new unconntracted phone

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fryfrog:

$90/mo looks like the 900min plan

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: A few key red flags in that sentence :)

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Dagmar:

...but considering how much those damn things cost, I'd have checked to see if you weren't accidentally paying AT&T for some kind of insurance

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iamlindoro:

eg "full price"

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fryfrog:

how much is a new, uncontracted one? and you can't actually buy one right?

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Dagmar:

Yeah, for that price you could buy a laptop, put a CDPD card in it, and probably hack VOIP into it

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fryfrog:

ahah

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iamlindoro:

You can buy an unsubsidized one, but I think it's $5/600

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fryfrog:

ah

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: Like $800 for the high end one

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fryfrog:

OH WHEW

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fryfrog:

i think i just realized something

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fryfrog:

the family plan *includes* 2 lines

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iamlindoro:

so anyway, cleared up the thing with AT&T re: my account, but I think I'll wait a few weeks now

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fryfrog:

so it is $130 for *2* phones

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I was listening very carefully and didn't hear that DRM make even a tiny snapping sound when I just broke it

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fryfrog:

which isn't bad

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PatrickDK:

1 line for your family

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PatrickDK:

and 1 for your lover

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fryfrog:

ahha

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: There's only one DRM I want you to break :)

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fryfrog:

iamlindoro: your chastity belt? :)

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iamlindoro:

that's the one!

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Dagmar:

Now I just gotta select a font for the subtitling I'm going to add

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iamlindoro:

except it's analog, so not DRM

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iamlindoro:

the chastity belt, that is

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fryfrog:

hehe

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** iamlindoro throws a Digicipher II manual at Dagmar **

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iamlindoro:

FIXIT

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iamlindoro:

motherfuckers

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iamlindoro:

Comcast decided I was piping too much data through a non-standard port... so they fucking blocked it on me

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Dagmar:

Hey not to worry

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iamlindoro:

let's see the cocksuckers block 8080 then

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PatrickDK:

nice

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Dagmar:

They're about to get bitch-slapped by the FCC

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Dagmar:

...and I mean *very* about to get bitch-slapped.

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iamlindoro:

I really really hope so

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, comcast hardly cares about the fcc slapping them

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Dagmar:

They're already moving paperwork around.

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PatrickDK:

I have seen them may millions in fines just so they didn't have to fix crap

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PatrickDK:

pay

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eddel:

hi all

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Not to speak out of turn, but I can assure you that over the subject of filtering the internet and tampering with traffic, the moment someone points out "This means they're the reason you keep getting disconnected from your Quake matches or your Warcraft raids." it will be pitchforks and torches time for their customers

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iamlindoro:

I think they were really irritated because it was encrypted content so they had no idea what it was... but it was me moving data for WORK ffs

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eddel:

need some sql schema help: the cron jobs fills the xml file; I see entries in the database for shows — but mythtv shows no schedule. Kurrent Ubuntu 8.04 packages.

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Comcast already knows better than to screw with my port 22 traffic

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eddel:

how do I go about debugging this?

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PatrickDK:

dagmar, hehe, I think they have their stuff being smart enough to not send tcp connection closed to those ports

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Dagmar:

Why debug it

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iamlindoro:

eddel: Are you using some non-standard grabber while living in the USA?

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Dagmar:

Backup the entire database, wipe it, start over, see if it actually works then.

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iamlindoro:

ie are you one of the guys too cheap to pay for SchedulesDirect?

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: Actually, they're not.

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iamlindoro:

if so, you're unlikely to get much sympathy here

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PatrickDK:

strange

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: I have been *nice* about not going forward publicly on that

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eddel:

iamlindoro: sort of — zap2xml.pl

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PatrickDK:

I don't have comcast

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PatrickDK:

I just have crappy local people

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iamlindoro:

eddel: That's not sort of, that's "yes"

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eddel:

Dagmar: I'd rather not

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iamlindoro:

pay for Schedulesdirect, you won't get any help on stealing listings here

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eddel:

iamlindoro: So is this channel only for folks who use schedules direct?

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Dagmar:

eddel: Don't expect much help from us when you're deliberately trying to solve a problem you created, the hard way

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PatrickDK:

I don't know why anyone wouldn't pay for sd

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PatrickDK:

eddel, we are helping you fix it

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iamlindoro:

This channel is the official myth support channel, and myth wants nothing to do with theft, violation of ToS, etc.

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PatrickDK:

use sd :)

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eddel:

Dagmar: Not so — used to work just fine til about three or four weeks ago

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Dagmar:

First rule out that you didn't break Myth itself somehow

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Dagmar:

...with one of those updates from "Kurrent"

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Dagmar:

The database doesn't always upgrade properly.

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** iamlindoro licks an outlet and gets a mouthful of Kurrent **

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eddel:

And I am trying to see how I can the change. As I said: xml file seems fine (has shows), mysql seems fine (has shows), myth shows nothing

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Dagmar:

Duh

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eddel:

I do not think that it is a zap2xml issue

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Dagmar:

...and it would take how long to back up the database and start with a fresh run of mythtv-setup?

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iamlindoro:

as *I* said: You won't get any support using zap2xml here

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eddel:

Dagmar: Never mind. I have old info I want to keep. Can we leave at that?

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iamlindoro:

We're sorry you can't get listings. Man up and get them the right way. The end.

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Dagmar:

No, we can't leave it at that because you keep ignoring me saying "BACKUP THE DATABASE"

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eddel:

bye guys, this was great

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Dagmar:

You're whining that you dont' want to lose information, and it's not like backing up ~250Mb is going to be a big deal or time consuming

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iamlindoro:

don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

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PatrickDK:

what a nice person :)

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** iamlindoro sends his IP address to TMS **

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Did you see this Lively thing Google has launched?

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iamlindoro:

if you're going to steal, cloak your IP numbnuts

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Have looked at it, but haven't played with it, thought it was Windows only?

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PatrickDK:

I just cloak my ip with my neighbors wifi

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Dagmar:

It is.

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iamlindoro:

ah-- anything cool?

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Dagmar:

I have hopes that unlike Sketchup, we'll see a Linux port shortly

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Dagmar:

Well, it's _sort of_ cool, in that it's pretty, but they aren't giving anyone access to the modeling tools yet

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Dagmar:

...even though they are probably using Sketchup to make everything

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iamlindoro:

Looked a little like Psychonauts art style, that was neat

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Dagmar:

Yeah there's definitely a lot of stuff in there that smacks of that style

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Dagmar:

IF they'll give us source or something, it'll probably eventually outstrip IRC

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iamlindoro:

nice

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Dagmar:

Having it Windows-only for the moment is not super helpful

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iamlindoro:

would be nice to run servers like IRC

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iamlindoro:

or is that part of it now?

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Dagmar:

Looks like everything is central to their servers, but well, we KNOW they have the storage space and the bandwidth

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iamlindoro:

true

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Dagmar:

You can just create a room, slap a shell on it, and start littering it with furniture already

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iamlindoro:

Neat!

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Dagmar:

Movement controls are, simply put, "teh suck"

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iamlindoro:

is there land "ownership" a la SL?

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Dagmar:

I don't think even asian MMO players would find them comfortable

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Dagmar:

There's no 'land' really. There's just instanced rooms basically.

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iamlindoro:

ie am I going to have to delve through a world of billbaords that are entirely 2 dimensional that look like shit?

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iamlindoro:

Oh, well that's better

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Dagmar:

I figured out earlier how to basically make linking books, a la Myst, but can't create new objects

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iamlindoro:

any concept of room "ops?"

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Dagmar:

Looks like just "owner is god" at the moment

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iamlindoro:

cool

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Dagmar:

...otherwise I'd have already cloned the oplist from #Se2600 here into the room I built over there

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** iamlindoro considers firing up Firefox in wine to play **

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iamlindoro:

Anyone see that video of the kid with the cardboard Halo stuff?

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iamlindoro:

Not that I cared one way or another, but I was slightly disturbed that this 10 year old kid seemed to demonstrate a teabagging

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iamlindoro:

IRL

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iamlindoro:

remind me to proactively beat my children

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Dagmar:

Apparently some people were upset about finding rooms with porno in them (OMG porn on the internet? NEVAR!) so they've disabled linking in URLs on the poster and frame objects.

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

booo!

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: These are probably the same kids who don't realize that their "twink" characters are gay

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Dagmar:

I keep having to remind some of them

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Dagmar:

"Twink" == GAY

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banyan:

that's why they need to open it up to linux — then all the porn would be tech porn.

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iamlindoro:

Oh there are plenty of people on Xbox Live to remind them of that :)

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Dagmar:

Call 'em alts already

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banyan:

ooh, iamLindoro, good idea. wonder if that'll work.

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iamlindoro:

banyan: Which part now? :)

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iamlindoro:

proactive beatings?

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banyan:

the firefox-in-wine-gets-you-into-google-lively thing.

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iamlindoro:

ah, yeah

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SHADOW__X:

iamlindoro: to install the updated driver do i need to do anything other than make it and install it

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iamlindoro:

oh well, both good ideas :)

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PatrickDK:

heh

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: I don't know it personally, but I believe that should work

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SHADOW__X:

reason why i am asking is because i am still having difficulty and trying to figure out if i am doing something stupid

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky may be the guy to ask on that

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PatrickDK:

I was helping my mother-in-law install a new lcd in her son's room for christmas, and I turned on the xbox to make sure it was connected right, and on came porn

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iamlindoro:

it's his repos

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Dagmar:

hahaha

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright thanks iamlindoro i will wait to ask hinm

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Dagmar:

PatrickDK: no more xbox for him then

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: Heh... I am having my cousin housesit for a week next month, and am torn between hiding all the porn DVDs are just telling him where they are and heading it off at the pass :)

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iamlindoro:

er or just

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SHADOW__X:

heh

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Put them in the closet behind the cleaning supplies

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SHADOW__X:

sneaky Dagmar

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SHADOW__X:

very sneaky

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iamlindoro:

I don't necessarily want to prevent him finding them-- If showing him will head off a dig through my shit, I'll show 'im

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iamlindoro:

I'd rather him watch the porn than touch my guns

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** PatrickDK watchs all his money drain out of his account **

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PatrickDK:

live bank updates + wife with atm card

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iamlindoro:

Hmm... come to think of that, I bet that'd be a clever iPhone app

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PatrickDK:

what?

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iamlindoro:

just a little widget to check balance, move money around, etc. without having to pull up the browser

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PatrickDK:

I have 3 blackberry apps I use like nuts

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PatrickDK:

spreadsheet, encrypted notebook thing, and checkbook app

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PatrickDK:

everything is in the encrypted notebook

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PatrickDK:

all numbers for everything I have

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fryfrog:

oh, there is a checkbook balancing app?

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PatrickDK:

I don't know about balancing :)

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PatrickDK:

I just enter transactions and let them sync up qith quicken

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fryfrog:

citibank has a blackberry app for their banking, but it doesn't work with *my* blackberry

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fryfrog:

ah, i see

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iamlindoro:

There's a neat little iPhone Paypal app that I saw-- I think I'd use paypal a lot more if I could pull up the app, put a value in, click on my contact, and click "go"

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iamlindoro:

ie I borrow $5 from someone, and immediately pay them back from my iPhone

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fryfrog:

i hates teh paypal

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fryfrog:

except yopu'd have to give them like $5.30 or something

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fryfrog:

since they charge the target for the transaction

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iamlindoro:

yep, but the convenience fee might be worth it to be able to pay someone a few bucks right away

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eddel:

updating zap2xml.pl was all it took. thanks again

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iamlindoro:

or, like, being able to go out without your wallet because you can instantly pay a few bucks for something

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PatrickDK:

iam, never

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iamlindoro:

PatrickDK: to each his own :)

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PatrickDK:

I haven't seen cash in 3 years

[01:50:24]

PatrickDK:

but if they charge me more than $2 to pay a bill, I say screw them, and write them a check

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banyan:

The lively installer dies on not being able to find windows common controls.

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PatrickDK:

I don't get how checks never have a fee

[01:50:53]

PatrickDK:

but any kind of electric thing, that doesn't involve people does

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PatrickDK:

it should be the other way around I would think

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banyan:

that is retarded, isn't it? and they'll only do more of that as the evil subprime mortgage karma sets in.

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banyan:

In a desparate attempt to make cash flow on their existing clients.

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PatrickDK:

there must be some law that restricts them from charging a processing fee on checks

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PatrickDK:

or I am sure they would of done it long ago

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banyan:

the accounts generally have a maximum monthly number of cheques after which they will charge you I expect.

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PatrickDK:

heh?

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PatrickDK:

I have never had a bank account like that

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banyan:

It's all run by people who would think it's fair that their standard account clients (business and personal) pay for their own mortgage misdeeds.

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PatrickDK:

but I mean, the morgage people charging to process a check payment, like they do direct drafts and internet payments, and phone payments

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banyan:

what I mean is that maybe your account has a limit of 10 cheques say, after which you would pay $.50 each.

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banyan:

I'm in Canada tho so the system is probably a little different.

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PatrickDK:

ya, some banks used to work that way here

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PatrickDK:

but I dunno any that still do

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PatrickDK:

I remember one limited me to like 50 checks a month

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banyan:

Instead of having a few big banks and a lot of little savings and loans, Canada has a number of small credit unions, a few small banks but mostly about ten absolutely massive banking corporations.

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banyan:

and therefore they are a little more regulated.

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banyan:

which, as it turns out, isn't necessarily a bad thing. our banks haven't afaik needed hundreds of billions of dollars of govt bailout money. :-)

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cesman:

regulation isn't a bad thing at all

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PatrickDK:

I think it's just stupid as hell the goverment is bailing everyone out

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cesman:

it is lack of regulation that screws the public

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PatrickDK:

I mean, since when does the goverment get to choose what company stays in business?

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PatrickDK:

regulation is good, goverment control isn't

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PatrickDK:

there is a point where regulation ends

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PatrickDK:

and it becomes absolute control over the item

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banyan:

if it were tv manufacturers, or a lentil cabal that fell on hard times, I'd say let them circle the drain. The problem is that banking is an essential organ of the economy.

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PatrickDK:

banyan, I don't really mean the banks, and defenetly not just banks

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PatrickDK:

mainly the whole airline, car people, ....

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PatrickDK:

every time someone is in trouble the goverment pays them off

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PatrickDK:

just cause they helped get x and y elected

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banyan:

If they're big enough. If you're some little commuter airline they'll let you s**t the bed.

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PatrickDK:

well, the big ones need to shit the bed too

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PatrickDK:

that is how business is done

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PatrickDK:

when they start doing bad things, and the customers hate them

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PatrickDK:

but then the goverment bails them :(

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PatrickDK:

so nothing ever gets fixed by the laws of demand

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PatrickDK:

cause if the big one shit it

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PatrickDK:

little ones could grow to take it's place

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PatrickDK:

or buy it out and have fresh ideas

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banyan:

it's an extension of the argument that if you are $100,000 in debt, you have a problem, but if you have $1,000,000 owing, the bank has a problem.

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PatrickDK:

well, I guess I should let the channel get back on topic

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PatrickDK:

see ya all in 8–12hours :)

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tjcarter:

banyan: Unless in the US, then the taxpayer has a problem. ;p

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banyan:

yeah, they do. to the tune of $500 bn or something?

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tjcarter:

In this case, yes.

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tjcarter:

It's enough to make a person start looking at Ron Paul as something other than a crackpot.

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** tjcarter looks at Ron Paul **

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tjcarter:

no, he's still a crackpot. =D

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SHADOW__X:

well this is nice i have my tuner half working again yay come on mkrufky come back

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banyan:

he was the guy who forced a bunch of records into the congressional record that proved nixon et al had bombed cambodia and laos intentionally.

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SHADOW__X:

btw is there a way to know if my comcast is bringing more channels to my area

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** SHADOW__X trying to spark life in the chan **

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** J-e-f-f-A wouldn't know, he wouldn't use cumcast unless there was no other TV to be had... ;-) **

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SHADOW__X:

which is why i have it :d

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SHADOW__X:

:D

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW__X: monitor engadgethd

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iamlindoro:

they mention is when various providers add HD channels

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iamlindoro:

er it

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SHADOW__X:

ah ok thanks

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SHADOW__X:

i really just want discovery hd but yeah thats not how it works

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iamlindoro:

They seem to be rolling the HD discovery channels (Discovery, HD Theatre, Animal Planet HD, Science HD) in most if not all of their markets

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SHADOW__X:

ah alright sweet hopefully i can get that either through qam or box

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iamlindoro:

rolling out, that is

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iamlindoro:

I'm not aware of anywhere they leave it open via QAM (not in the HD version, anyway) but anything is possible

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

i dont get discovery in qam

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SHADOW__X:

:(

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SHADOW__X:

atleast right now i have hd theater

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iamlindoro:

When there are good things on, I prefer that to Discovery itself

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iamlindoro:

There are some amazing travel shows there

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SHADOW__X:

hmm nice i like watching the nature shows just because hd is great

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SHADOW__X:

i wonder if fios's hd boxes support recording off of firewire

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** J-e-f-f-A doesn't think so, or he'd switch to FiOS TV in a heartbeat! (he already has FiOS internet...) **

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SHADOW__X:

ah hmm i should try my friends fios box

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iamlindoro:

no, no firewire from FIOS boxes

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SHADOW__X:

i want fios but cant have it comcast only offers upto 16mbps in my area

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SHADOW__X:

really ? so you cant do anything with their boxes iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

you can get locals via QAM (they modulate QAM at the box on the house) but their box is it for the premiums

[03:08:32]

iamlindoro:

So the HD-PVR would be the only Myth Capture option for the premiums there

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SHADOW__X:

premiums such as discovery or all the movie channels and that really sucks

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iamlindoro:

premiums as in anything besides network TV

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SHADOW__X:

aw man

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CyberKnet:

aaah me. I can't figure out if I should go for the 8200 IGP, or the 7050 IGP.

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iamlindoro:

Still, HD-PVR capture looks very very good, and combine that with the FIOS bitrates, which are easily the best on the market, and you'd get very very nice captures

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iamlindoro:

And who knows, maybe the R5000 folks will come up with something for FIOS eventually

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SHADOW__X:

very true i cant even get it here so time will tell

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet: If you're asking purely from a myth perspective, they'll be identical in terms of performance, so go cheap

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: I heard that 8200 has no xvmc support from nvidia

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CyberKnet:

my content is all SD though, so I think it may not matter with a 5Ghz cpu.

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CyberKnet:

s/think/am pretty sure/

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CyberKnet:

but I may want HD later...

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SHADOW__X:

5 ghz huh

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iamlindoro:

Erm... where do you figure you'll get a 5 Ghz CPU?

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wagnerrp:

cyberknet: there have been reports that any 8000 series less than the 8800 cards are subject to the recent over heating issues

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iamlindoro:

Avoid XvMc like the plague-- with anything dual core, it's totally unnecessary and it sucks to boot

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know if that applies to the integrated chipsets

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CyberKnet:

I'd be going dual core, yes

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iamlindoro:

You won't be buying 5 Ghz for a few long years yet :)

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iamlindoro:

and you don't get to add the two together, heh

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CyberKnet:

not 5ghz actually ... the 4850e 2.5ghz dual core athlon x2

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wagnerrp:

i dont think anyone has a 5GHz box planned in their roadmaps

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iamlindoro:

That processor should handle just about anything you throw at it fine without any need for XvMc which, again, blows monkeys

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wagnerrp:

and a dual core 2.5GHz machine is absolutely not equivalent to a 5GHz machine

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CyberKnet:

yeah, I know.

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SHADOW__X:

i think i can prob hit around 4.5ghz with the right cpu

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CyberKnet:

force of habit from marketing infusiuon :P

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wagnerrp:

ive seen core2s hitting over 5.5GHz with excessive cooling

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wagnerrp:

P4s can do over 8GHz

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SHADOW__X:

yeah depending what cooling you have

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CyberKnet:

I was *very* disappointed when my original Athon64 3500 died and I replaced it with an Athlon64 X2 3500 by mistake :)

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SHADOW__X:

my current e6600 has such a low limit

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iamlindoro:

It's those liquid nitrogen deliveries that wake the neighbors

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SHADOW__X:

i bought it when it first came out and seems like i hit the limit

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SHADOW__X:

i hit around 3.6ghz but the vcore is way to damn high

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CyberKnet:

I suppose I'll go for the 7050 IGP then since it's been out a bit longer.

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SHADOW__X:

i hit 2.85 with a 6750 reliable

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SHADOW__X:

3.85*

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CyberKnet:

anyone know the status of audio over HDMI for the 7050? I've seen conflicting reports... nvidia say no, users say yes

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iamlindoro:

I know who to trust :)

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CyberKnet:

well... nvidia report I saw was from january

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CyberKnet:

users report was later.

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CyberKnet:

I can't see why users would report yes when it didn't.

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wagnerrp:

personally, i would go for an 8000 series chip

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iamlindoro:

Most recent stuff I read on the nvidia linux board said still no — most recent reports say that the 177.xx series supports audio over HDMI, but I am fairly certain that is for 8xxx series

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wagnerrp:

those are capable of running CUDA code

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wagnerrp:

and theres supposed to be an h.264 decoder written by the end of the year

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waxhead:

hi everyone

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: via Gallium3D?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: That would be a nice Christmas present :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, something like that

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CyberKnet:

nouveux or something like that

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** CyberKnet forgets how they spell it **

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waxhead:

is there a way to watch shows recorded on mythtv from another system apart from installing another mythfrontend?

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wagnerrp:

gallium3d is the project to develop the code

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waxhead:

what I want is to watch some recorded shows in a window ( like mplayer )..

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wagnerrp:

it would just be incorporated into nouveux

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Lynet:

waxhead: Share the recording folrder over samba?

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iamlindoro:

sure, network mount the recordings dir and play them from anything you like

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CyberKnet:

well, if the 8200 potentially gets me audio over hdmi, then maybe that is worth the extra $

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iamlindoro:

or use ASX streams from mythweb... or any number of a million options

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wagnerrp:

its uspposed to get picked up for the ati open source drivers as well

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wagnerrp:

so it really has no relation to nouveux

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CyberKnet:

well, I guess I shall decide this tomorrow...

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CyberKnet:

(which 8200 board to get)

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wagnerrp:

its just an assumption on my part that the 8000 IGPs can run CUDA

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wagnerrp:

i really have no idea

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CyberKnet:

I'll look into it

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CyberKnet:

Thanks for the advice guys.

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waxhead:

maybe the web option is the way to go...

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wagnerrp:

why not install the frontend?

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wagnerrp:

you can open it from a window

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wagnerrp:

any other option would prevent the possibility of live tv

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wagnerrp:

if youre on the same network, you can mount the drives like iamlindoro said

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wagnerrp:

there are scripts that will automatically make symbolic links with a sensible file name

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wagnerrp:

rather than the <tuner><channel>_<date> format

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waxhead:

wagnerrp: thanks.. I have the front end installed on the laptop already.. I haven't got it to run in a small window though...

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waxhead:

it takes over the screen.. which isn't what I want...

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wagnerrp:

just append '--windowed' to the command line

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wagnerrp:

you can also do '--geometry 640x480'

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wagnerrp:

and there are places in the options area to define that for the machine, without requiring the command line flags

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waxhead:

wagnerrp: cool.. thanks...

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SHADOW__X:

hey i have this issue that in mythweb my search box stays populated with a search that i did hours ago and i do not know how to make the search box go empty again

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fryfrog:

i think that is a feature, not a bug

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SHADOW__X:

oh ok

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SHADOW__X:

is there a way to have it blank out after a search

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fryfrog:

no idea

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SHADOW__X:

ah alriht

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fryfrog:

well, i mean, i'm sure it is *possible*

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fryfrog:

but i dunno how

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SHADOW__X:

yeah heh its fine just a minor nuiscance

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waxhead:

is there a way to delete indivual channels from the list of channels that show up?

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waxhead:

I have channels like "2#3 Unknown"

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SHADOW__X:

yeah

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SHADOW__X:

backend setup then channel list

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SHADOW__X:

or in mythweb you can just not have it show up

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waxhead:

SHADOW__X: did that.. deleted them all and rescanned even..

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waxhead:

I can't seem to delete just the one channel

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SHADOW__X:

hmm you chould be able to check if its on another list

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fryfrog:

you could do some manual mojo on the db

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waxhead:

they get picked up in the channel scan...

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waxhead:

I just don't want them showing up.. causes problems when channel changing

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waxhead:

and generally looks ugly..

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SHADOW__X:

you should beable to do it either in the list atleast you should beable to there just look at all the lists or in mythweb under settings and channel settings

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darkdrgn2k3:

waxhead: did you try flagging the channels as "visible" 0 in the datbase :-P

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DarkD:

is there any way to copy a channel's lineup to another channel?

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DarkD:

schedule direct doenst have my Digital listings, but i have the exact same cahnnel on cable..just not hd :-P

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wagnerrp:

contact schedules direct, and inform them as such

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wagnerrp:

you pay for the support to get issues like this resolved

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wagnerrp:

i mean you're already paying, so the support is available

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, there is no direct method of doing this

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wagnerrp:

but you can write a relatively short script that runs after mythfilldatabase

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wagnerrp:

to loop through the database, and duplicate the entries

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wagnerrp:

just run a query for all shows for the last day of recordings on one channel, walk through the responses, and insert new shows with the new channel id

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wagnerrp:

err... last day of listings

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Kernel:

hello all. i seem to be having a issue with xfce and its menu....it stays on top of the mythtv screen...and its quite annoying..i have the menu bar to auto hide....but its still distracting and annoying to see ;)

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Kernel:

and i cant figure out how to make mythtv draw over it

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Kernel:

seems this is the issue https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/232380

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Kernel:

no real fix :(

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clever:

Kernel: mythtv will set itself allways ontop if its covering the entire screen

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clever:

but if you leave even 1 row/column of pixels showing by setting a size to the window it wont do that

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clever:

and there are other causes also

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Kernel:

well this seems to be a bug

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Kernel:

ive always used fluxbox b4...never had this issue.

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Kernel:

but switched to xfce...and now have it

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clever:

try to alt+tab out of the frontend and then back in

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clever:

that may reset it

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Kernel:

it was kind of weird...i was using xfce+compiz...and it didnt do this. only when i turned of compiz

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Kernel:

clever: it doesnt.

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Kernel:

it just wont draw over the menu

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clever:

compiz does alot of funny things compared to metacity

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clever:

but i dont know how the xfce window manager works internaly

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Kernel:

me neither. and i cant findmuch info on this from google.

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clever:

the only other time ive had that problem is when i had 2 outputs going

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clever:

tv and crt

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Kernel:

i was just hoping someone in here might know....was wanting to watch a movie with out the bar

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clever:

and simply waving the mouse between the 2 screens would fix it

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Kernel:

monitor lcd

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Kernel:

hmm

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clever:

i had 2 outputs active at once

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Kernel:

ah

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Kernel:

i have dual monitors....

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Kernel:

but never had this issue.

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clever:

just try passing the mouse from 1 screen to the other to see how it reacts

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clever:

when mythfrontend is up

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Kernel:

ok let me try it real quick

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Kernel:

nope. still a bright white line at the bottom(the menu minimized)

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clever:

only thing i can think of then is to shut the menu off or not run it

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clever:

or pick a white theme so the white line blends in

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Kernel:

well its most notable when watching a dvd or something with letterboxing

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

you can change the color of the letter boxes

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Kernel:

but its not a huge deal...just a annoyance.

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clever:

make them grey

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Kernel:

nah.

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clever:

you could also use an external dvd player like mplayer

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clever:

which has a wide range of fullscreen modes to fix these problems

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Kernel:

i prefer them black. but if i really get annoying ill just go back to using flux

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Kernel:

let me see if mplayer does the same thing

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clever:

you could also just get a peice of tape and cover that part of the screen:P

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Kernel:

nope. mplayer doesnt do it

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Kernel:

lol

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clever:

mplayer has a -fstype

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Kernel:

wheres my black sharpie....

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Kernel:

;-o

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clever:

to let you fine tune it to fix things

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clever:

search thru 'man mplayer'

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Kernel:

just playing the vid normal made player do it right

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Kernel:

so its something in mythtv?...

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Kernel:

maby i can change a setting then....

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clever:

from that option in mplayer i suspect theres many ways to go fullscreen

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clever:

and mythtv is just using the wrong one

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Kernel:

right

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Kernel:

mythtv is based off mplayer?...

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clever:

i beleive they are seperate

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Kernel:

thats what i thought

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clever:

but they both contain some code from ffmpeg

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Kernel:

yea

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clever:

ive dug thru the Xv code to fix one of my bugs

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clever:

when the frontend gains/looses focus it will get drawn

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Kernel:

ah. i dont know how to program...so i useless when it comes to code

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clever:

causing the whole window to flicker

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Kernel:

i can do hello world and thats about it lol

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clever:

and half the time it stops flickering solid black

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clever:

which kills the video playback

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Kernel:

i was having a bad time with frame tearing

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Kernel:

i guess its a known nvidia bug

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Kernel:

drove me nuts

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clever:

ive only noticed that with a realy high res screen

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clever:

and thats on my fastest/best pc:P

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Kernel:

lol

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clever:

its much more powerfull but the screen is too big for it to handle:P

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Kernel:

i got 1920x1200

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Kernel:

24in lcd.

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Kernel:

works good for me :)

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clever:

the newest system is a dell d630

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clever:

wide screen

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clever:

core2duo 1.8ghz

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Kernel:

ah. i built this puter almost a year ago i think

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Kernel:

core2duo e6400(2.13ghz) 2 gigs ram

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Kernel:

then have a westingtonhouse 24 in monitor...got hook ups for my 360 too which is real nice

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Kernel:

like 2TB of storage

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clever:

i only have about 500gig total between all my systems

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Kernel:

its a nice little set up...but i could use a quad core lol

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Kernel:

hdds are so cheap now lol

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clever:

the dual core blows everything else out of the water

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clever:

even when using 1 core

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Kernel:

same with ram

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clever:

1 core is so damn fast i dont even need the 2nd one

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Kernel:

mines fast....but idk

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Kernel:

its only got the 2mb cache instead of 4

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clever:

2.9ghz celeron cant even play h264

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clever:

1 core of a c2d 1.8ghz plays it with no trouble

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Kernel:

my old p4....is not much slower then this system

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Kernel:

no lie

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Kernel:

p4 3.6ghz

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Kernel:

i just read a good article

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clever:

exactly the same speed:P

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clever:

1.8*2==3.6

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Kernel:

i was having alot of issue with x264

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Kernel:

untill i found this:

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** Kernel looks for link **

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clever:

wait your c2d is faster:)

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clever:

4.26 total ghz between the cores

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Kernel:

for mac...buthttp://chipmunkninja.com/1080p-MKV-playback-on-Mac-1r@

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Kernel:

err

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Kernel:

http://chipmunkninja.com/1080p-MKV-playback-on-Mac-1r@

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Kernel:

yea its faster...but it really doesnt feel too much...

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Kernel:

i though it would be very notacable

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Kernel:

it wasnt.

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Kernel:

but in that article the comments provide good info too

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clever:

its alot more compared to the crap i have

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Kernel:

Problem is that by selecting 'All' you GREATLY degrade the visual quality. Sure, now the *resolution* is 1920x1080 and it plays fine, but much of the detail is lost. I highly recommend using the Non-ref (Skip the loop filter for frames that are not referenced later) setting if you can, and the Non-key (Skip the loop filter for frames that are not key-frames) if you must.

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clever:

mplayer has an option to skip the loop filter on everything

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Kernel:

i even went as far as compile coreavc into mplayer

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Kernel:

to get good x264 playback

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Kernel:

and coreavc is for windows!

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Kernel:

;)

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iamlindoro:

x264 == an encoder

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iamlindoro:

h.264 == a codec

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iamlindoro:

I hate it when people make that mistake

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Kernel:

lol sorry

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clever:

i just call it 264 most of the time

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Kernel:

but i refer to that stuff as x264

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Kernel:

yea same

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iamlindoro:

That's like saying "Yeah, I was having trouble with my ffmpeg video"

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Kernel:

lol

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clever:

ive seen worse stuff

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iamlindoro:

This machine totally can't play mencoder!

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Kernel:

meh. most ppl understand

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clever:

like calling irc mirc:P

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Kernel:

lol

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iamlindoro:

most people are idiots, and never get any better if people don't get it right

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clever:

yeah i want to go on the world wide firefox:P

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Kernel:

my xchat wont connect to mirc!

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clever:

yep:P

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clever:

xchat can never connect to mirc

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clever:

end of help:P

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Kernel:

lol

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Kernel:

welp. guess imma have to deal for now. thanks for ya help dood

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clever:

:)

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Kernel:

ok off to watch harold and kumar pz out

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bleck:

i can't get mythtv-music to play anything.. it just sits there making no sound. it says "active" on the left.. but yeah.. nothing.

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shiznix:

anyone know where to specify that i'd like to watch livetv deinterlaced ?

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shiznix:

nevermind, found it had moved into the playback profiles menu

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sidamos:

HI! I have a strange problem with DVB-S, maybe someone can give me hint. I can scan with dvbscan, kaffeine and MythTV. I can watch TV with mplayer and kaffeine. But MythTV always says NO_LOCK when trying to watch TV. This is a simple single LNB config.

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fryfrog:

sorry, nfi here :(

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justinh:

if mythtv doesn't work, use something else :)

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sidamos:

well, it works for a friend of mine, who did channel scanning with 0.19 or 0.20. he also has not luck getting it working when he scans with 0.21.

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fryfrog:

sidamos: you tried the mailing list for similar problems? what about log file output?

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sebrock:

X11 is not needed for VNC on a headless server right?

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fryfrog:

probably is

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fryfrog:

let your package manager decide

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justinh:

let your package manager decide, and your miserly attitude toward disk space disappear :)

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justinh:

oh wait, mythtv is for recording TV shows right? don't they take up lots more space than the room X takes on your hard drive? Oops

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fryfrog:

well, could be they use gentoo so they want to save the 2–3 hour compile :P

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CpuID:

hey ppls, ive got a mediapc setup outputting over vga (temp, will be dvi sometime soon) at 1920x1080@60hz, using mythtv, myth starts and works fine, crisp as...but im using mplayer for media playback, and it seems to sit itself in a top left aligned window instead of fullscreening, ive got -fs -zoom in my mplayer options in myth already...any ideas? on my old setup playing at 480p it was fine, fullscreen worked as expected

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justinh:

why not just use the internal player?

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CpuID:

myth has an internal player...? i wasnt aware :P

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CpuID:

i was so sure it was mplayer or xine or something...the internal player something new? past 12mths?

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fryfrog:

been around for a while

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fryfrog:

a year or more maybe?

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fryfrog:

imho, it just fairly recently became useful for .mkv files, but worked great for everything else

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fryfrog:

(like 3–6mo ago on mkv i think)

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fryfrog:

just tick "Internal" or write "Internal" in the spots instead of mplayer or xine

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CpuID:

coo ill give it a try, sec

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CpuID:

internal player works nicely btw :P

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CpuID:

thx

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justinh:

hahahaha I found the CD that started it all. A PC Pro cover disk with Showshifter 1.55 on it

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CaCtus491:

Is anyone here running a recent SVN Mac OSX frontend?

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esperegu:

anyone knows why mythfilldatabase might not run automaticly?

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esperegu:

these seem to be the related processes that are running currently: http://esperegu.pastebin.com/d5fd71136

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mzb_d800:

esperegu: two things to look at: 1. run it manually (as the right user), 2. check the additional options for mythfilldatabase and add a log option

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esperegu:

mzb_d800: manually it runs fine. I tried multiple users

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esperegu:

mzb_d800: where should I add the option?

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mzb_d800:

*only* run it as the user that the backend runs at

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mzb_d800:

the option is in the gui somewhere

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mzb_d800:

search the wiki and you will find it

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esperegu:

hmm.. it so weird cause it is still running: Last mythfilldatabase run started on 2008-07–12 10:56 and is currently running.

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esperegu:

but it does not seem to add anything

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esperegu:

(unless I do it manually)

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esperegu:

and then with the users I tried it all worked

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esperegu:

I'll check the log option once it is finished running

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esperegu:

thx

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mzb_d800:

http://www.google.com.au/search?q=mythfilldatabase+log

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mzb_d800:

s/.au//

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esperegu:

mzb_d800: thx

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esperegu:

mzb_d800: I am using it in linuxmce. will try it once it has finished running

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mzb_d800:

I managed to convince SWMBO to buy a hdd for *her* recordings ... with the idea that I could set a storage group for her and *only* that drive

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mzb_d800:

apart from manually hacking this entry in the db, is there a way of achieving this?

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GreyFoxx:

Sure create the Storage group pointed to her drive

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GreyFoxx:

and when you make a recording schedule, set the Storage group to her's

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mzb_d800:

GreyFoxx: that's what I figured ... but wasn't a way (I could see) of doing that from the FE ... I assume it's acceptable to just add it in the db (as I've already done)

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mzb_d800:

means I have to (*cough*) buy another big drive ;))

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mzb_d800:

oh well :)

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justinh:

it's never acceptable to do things directly in the database. that's why there's a UI

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GreyFoxx:

mzb: I do 99% of my scheduling in mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

and it's a dropdown choice :)

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GreyFoxx:

Though I'd expect the FE gui to have something :)

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mzb_d800:

so did I

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GreyFoxx:

Uhhhh

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GreyFoxx:

"open the recording schedule

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GreyFoxx:

"Storage Options"

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GreyFoxx:

go there, npick the storage group

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justinh:

as far as adding stuff like extra storage groups is concerned – major changes would require a backend restart anyway so you may aswell do them from mythtv-setup

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sohocoke:

anyone in the uk and feeling generous? trying to get the channels configured once more, and would appreciate some advice

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sohocoke:

after a few attempts trying to get the xmltv uk grabber script to work, my frontends now can't connect and the backend log shows db errors. what should i do?

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justinh:

hmmm. uk yes. generous... hahahahaha

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mzb_d800:

GreyFoxx: yes, got that ... I'm talking about creating the storage group in the first place

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GreyFoxx:

mythtv-setup "Storage GRoups"

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mzb_d800:

must have been a magic button (or concept) I missed when I tried then

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olejl:

Can someone please help me configure my remote? When I run: cat /proc/bus/input/devices, this is my IR receiver: N: Name="Budget-CI dvb ir receiver saa7146 (0)"

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olejl:

What is my next step?

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sidamos:

fryfrog: sorry, was away for a while. I already tried the mailing list with no success. dvb-s seems to be very uncommon among most mythtv users. I can get some log output at the beginning of next week, when I have internet available on site (new home).

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fryfrog:

sidamos: sounds like a plan :)

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panfist:

hi, i was wondering if anyone could recommend a HD tuner with good linux support?

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CyberKnet:

panfist: HD _tuner_, or HD capture?

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CyberKnet:

either way... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Category:HDTV_capture_cards

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CyberKnet:

the wiki has some good info

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panfist:

thanks

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jduggan:

would anyone like to recommend a cheap(ish) mobo w/integrated DVI/spdif out, c2d compatible? :P

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justinh:

I'd recommend the board I've got, but it's only for mobile chips

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justinh:

they're cheap enough though. I upgraded my frontend to T7200, board & RAM for about Â£110

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justinh:

oops T5600 not T7200

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jduggan:

well i've got a c2d 2ghz chip in my workstation, i want to upgrade that to a quad and put a core 2 cpu in a new myth box, im just looking for a cheap board with everything integrated that can take the cpu :)

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Dagmar:

Meh. Just pester NewEgg a bit

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Dagmar:

It should be easy enough to find something using their search tool

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justinh:

don't get it from ebuyer, unless you'll be happy with it being delivered 'whenever'

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riddlebox:

wohoo just got my pinnacle 800i card working again, I forgot to set the audio to /dev/dsp1

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Der:

Hi, anyone around that can help me trouble shoot mythweb?

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riddlebox:

Der, whats the issue

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Der:

Riddlebox, thanks anyway – figured it out

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kdubois:

is it possible to set up a mythtv setup with directv satellite in the US?

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Der:

yep

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Der:

no problem

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Der:

basically you'll build a myth box that has an IR remote input AND output

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kdubois:

oh, so the cable box gets controlled by the computer then?

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Der:

the IR input withh be to read your remote control and the optput will be to controll the sat box

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Der:

yep

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riddlebox:

you cn buy the ir blaster for like 10 bucks too

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Der:

yep

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Der:

that is what is so great with myth you can do ANYTNING you want

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kdubois:

alright cool. i bet i can use my pvr150 in that capacity too, no need to buy new hardware

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Der:

yep got one myself

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Der:

here is an ir blaster right now on e-bay http://cgi.ebay.com/IR-Blaster-for-MythTV-and . . . cmdZViewItem

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Der:

I just searched mythtv on ebay

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kdubois:

hm, thanks for the help Der

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Der:

np

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esperegu:

somehow the picture for recordings is of a specific show. how can I remove the default record picture?

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gpd:

should i expect to be able to run mythfrontend over wireless G? so far i get a picture for about 2 seconds then it freezes, then the sound carries on for a few seconds then starts cutting out – with audio buffer underrun on the terminal – pointers?

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AndyCap:

gpd: expect? it all depends. works for me with SD television. probably not recommended.

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gpd:

this is freeview – SD

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gpd:

obviously i should try over wired network – but are those symptoms systematic of something setup wrongly?

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iamlindoro:

no. But they are consistent with using wirless, which often can't keep up with streaming Myth stuff, especially if the bitrate is high or the network is active

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PatrickDK:

but I thought wep made wireless as good as wire :)

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gpd:

iamlindoro: ok – thanks, shame. should i look into ways to stream over wireless – or is it a lost cause?

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PatrickDK:

gpd, just remember, a perfect 54mbit connection over wireless will give you around 20mbit

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PatrickDK:

so you should have no problems streaming sd, if it's a perfect connection, nothing else uses it, and no interference like phones, microwaves, ...

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iamlindoro:

^^^ Yup

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gpd:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Network <- I am RTFM

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PatrickDK:

gpd, also good thing to do

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PatrickDK:

is to configure your ap for 802.11g only, and set the speed to a fixed rate, of like 48 or 54mbit

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PatrickDK:

and possibly adjust a few other things

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PatrickDK:

turn off cts, maybe turn on frame burst, use short preamble, ...

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PatrickDK:

but that last line well only marginally help

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gpd:

PatrickDK: thanks- my router is actually N – so maybe i should get an N card for this laptop

[19:56:39]

PatrickDK:

ah

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PatrickDK:

what kind of N is it?

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PatrickDK:

150, 300, or 600? or is it apple based

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gpd:

linksys wrt 325n

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dustybin:

reality TV needs a perm ban, im sick to death of it

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PatrickDK:

so 300, so you should be able to do 150mbit over it using pure N stuff on both ends

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PatrickDK:

dustybin, well write the patch that auto-removed all reality tv stuff from mythguide :)

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gpd:

ok – sounds impressive. will look at card prices :)

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PatrickDK:

apples N stuff is broken, and annoying

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gpd:

ok – 30 GBP for linksys USB N card

[20:03:22]

gpd:

is there no way to set the frontend to buffer like crazy...

[20:03:38]

PatrickDK:

hmm, you might want to make sure

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PatrickDK:

that the system can handle a usb 2.0 N card

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PatrickDK:

and there are drivers for it

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PatrickDK:

gpd, ya just rewrite when you start watching something :)

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iamlindoro:

even if your frontend buffers like crazy, it will still run out because it is still refilling and insufficient speed

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esperegu:

somehow the picture for recordings is of a specific show. how can I remove the default record picture?

[20:05:50]

iamlindoro:

esperegu: What are you talking about? There is no such thing as a default record picture-- previews are generated from each recording file

[20:06:41]

esperegu:

iamlindoro: you can set a picture for a specific show. I set one and now that is showing on all my records

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gpd:

iamlindoro: but I can copy the whole file to the laptop in xxx minutes — will test to see how long

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gpd:

ok -7 minutes for a 1Gb file...

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gpd:

over ssh – so can't see why mythfrontend can't cope

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clever:

i had just enough bandwidth on my 802.11b network

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clever:

95% load to play

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clever:

but the frontend would cutout alot

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clever:

a bug in the wifi driver would cause it to drop the link for 20 seconds randomly

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clever:

which would cause the frontend to timeout

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clever:

and freeze up

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clever:

then when it recovers it would play the rest of the buffer like everything is fine

[20:11:29]

clever:

then up and exit

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dustybin:

clever: what kind of stuff you doing at the moment?

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clever:

just plain irc atm

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LanUser:

Hello – how can I keep my two TV cards from changing device IDs each time I reboot?

[20:15:21]

clever:

udev!

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justinh:

udev rules

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Dagmar:

Try not to take them out of hte machine often

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gpd:

ok – proof there is something wrong with my frontend setup – i can stream from mythweb using the asx to totem without problems...

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LanUser:

ok thanks, looks like udev wasn't even enabled to start on my new Ubuntu 8.04 install, go figure

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gpd:

unless that stream is not the same bitrate?

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gpd:

anyway – that option will suffice for my needs i suppose

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[R]:

does anyone here have a JP1 remote?

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justinh:

yup

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[R]:

have you ever done a modem upgrade?

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gpd:

hmm.. my mythtv seems to end prematurely on each program... ntpdate is setup – and i have 2min over run. using EIT for program data – WTF?

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justinh:

[R]: yes but only with official upgrades, not home-made ones

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[R]:

justinh: everything was working great... i've done it a few times... but i just tried doing it again today, it didnt recognize the sound, it was stuck in upgrade mode... i pulled the batteries (which i've done before in a failed upgrade)... and now it refuses to go in upgrae mode

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justinh:

gpd: you need more then. broadcasters seldom stick tightly to schedules

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Dagmar:

Congratulations, you've broken it.

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[R]:

lol

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EvilGuru:

gpd: There is real time, Microsoft Explorer 'copy file' time, and broadcaster time

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EvilGuru:

When recording late-night BBC2 I find that I need +5 either way to get the entire recording

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Dagmar:

This is interesting

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Dagmar:

74.210.27.125 – - [09/Jul/2008:16:07:22 -0500] "GET /~dagmar/MythTV_logo.png HTTP/1.1" 200 88476 "http://twiki.intranet.blendive.com/twiki/bin/ . . . dSetup" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071127 Firefox/2.0.0.11"

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dustybin:

i find it hard chatting to girls

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dustybin:

sarahlou> what is linux?

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andreax1:

harharhar, got the same question yesterday...

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[R]:

EXCELLENT

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[R]:

Dagmar: pooey on you... i fixed it

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gpd:

ok – set to 300 seconds beyond and 90 before – any UK people have a UK NTP server – not that it makes any difference ;) we are talking nanoseconds there i bet

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justinh:

pool.ntp.org is good enough

[21:30:07]

justinh:

when the UK channels are bang on, by god they're bang on

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gpd:

-0.001007 sec offset... clearly not that then! :)

[21:31:19]

justinh:

it's THEM

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justinh:

as in the broadcaster

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justinh:

sheesh think yourself lucky you're not in australia – it's said that there, they put shows out on a 'tuesday afternoon' as opposed to Tuesday, 5pm

[21:32:55]

gpd:

so we are screwed – because if there is something on another channel just after – then you cannot know if it is overrun. so even if the same program could be recorded again on a +1 hour channel – it wouldn't be :(

[21:33:18]

gpd:

does the EIT update to say 'I am late'? unlikely

[21:33:35]

justinh:

think it's supposed to but dunno what myth can do about it

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gpd:

clear demo BBC news now – a clear 3minutes late even on their onscreen clock.

[21:33:47]

justinh:

serves you right for not having enough tuners eh

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gpd:

yah- only two :( will have to watch less tv – or buy another :)

[21:34:58]

justinh:

2 should be enough, hell

[21:35:17]

justinh:

running 0.21 you can record up to 10 shows at once with 2 tuners

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justinh:

(as long as they're DVB)

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EvilGuru:

and the multiplexes work out

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gpd:

this is DVB – freeview – do i need to set something fancy for that?

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gpd:

i am getting conflicts in my upcoming... ?

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justinh:

the default setting is a max of 2 recordings per card

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EvilGuru:

gpd: Need to read a page or so in the manual

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justinh:

I hacked a box to allow 10 per card :P

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justinh:

worked well enough too

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EvilGuru:

justinh: You've been speaking to Udo...

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justinh:

but on my production box I can only record 15 shows at the same time with 3 tuners

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justinh:

EvilGuru: no I've not – I looked in the source before 0.21 was even released

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gpd:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Record_m . . . ne_multiplex <-- ?

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EvilGuru:

gpd: Bingo

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CyberKnet:

Anyone have any experience with the Athlon 64 x2 4850e?

[21:48:27]

CyberKnet:

2.5Ghz / core and 45W to boot ... seems very desirable.

[21:48:37]

Dagmar:

So buy one

[21:48:59]

Dagmar:

It's not like we're going to say 'The upholstery on that model fades quickly in sunny regions' or something

[21:50:07]

CyberKnet:

Having a bad day?

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

It's a fuckin' CPU man

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CyberKnet:

no doubt.

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CyberKnet:

That much I was readily aware of, thanks :)

[21:51:08]

Dagmar:

What information are you expecting to get from someone?

[21:51:12]

Dagmar:

Seriously.

[21:51:26]

justinh:

are they pretty? do they smell nice?

[21:51:33]

Dagmar:

It's not like they've been out long enough for someone to say "Yeah, I've been running one for five years now and it hasn't died yet."

[21:51:43]

justinh:

will they make you more attractive to women?

[21:51:43]

CyberKnet:

You never know. thermal dissipation, speed dissatisfaction

[21:51:53]

CyberKnet:

motherboard compatibility issues.

[21:51:56]

CyberKnet:

who can say, really.

[21:51:58]

Dagmar:

There's a large degree to which asking questions like that are much like asking about the taste of distilled water

[21:52:07]

iamlindoro:

AMD = no need to heat the house in winter

[21:52:08]

justinh:

they definitely won't work on Via or Intel motherboards :D

[21:52:08]

CyberKnet:

That's the beauty of asking. People can offer insight.

[21:52:18]

Dagmar:

There are no motherboard "compatibility issues" for those who can read spec sheets

[21:52:19]

CyberKnet:

justinh: lol

[21:52:38]

Dagmar:

...and unless they've got the same motherboard you haven't gotten yet, good luck encountering hte same issues.

[21:52:46]

Dagmar:

Go to newegg, do some research.

[21:52:53]

CyberKnet:

Way to go off.

[21:53:03]

CyberKnet:

Thanks for the thought though.

[21:53:13]

justinh:

Dagmar: hmmm maybe – had a bit of a burn with that C2D I bought a while back – it was the 'wrong' socket type

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Dagmar:

Way to whine like a child about being given a straight answer

[21:53:38]

justinh:

there are 2 mobile sockets for C2D & both are sometimes referred to as 'socket M'

[21:53:39]

Dagmar:

justinh: Yeah but you know you screwed up and didn't pay attention when you were ordering

[21:54:09]

justinh:

ah but I did – but only in the sense I believed the motherboard manual

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Dagmar:

Ah

[21:54:20]

Dagmar:

Well, this is AMD

[21:55:03]

Dagmar:

It's all AM2, and that's all you have to care about.

[21:55:19]

justinh:

or not, as the case may be ;)

[21:55:46]

Dagmar:

Well, it's either AM2 or you've lost your mind and you're buying a 939, 940, or god forbid Socket 7 CPU

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CyberKnet:

I actually looked for a replacement socket 7 before deciding to upgrade to a newer CPU.

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Dagmar:

Jesus I should hope so

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Dagmar:

Socket 7 topped out really really low compared to what we have now

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Dagmar:

There's just about no way you could have made that cost effective without rummaging through a junk shop

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CyberKnet:

nope, there wasn't

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kareeser:

has anyone ever tried mythtv with an atom processor?

[22:01:09]

kareeser:

(I'd assume that given the processor limitations, a card with hardware encoding would be preferable...)

[22:01:50]

Dagmar:

It's a 1.8Ghz CPU

[22:02:01]

Dagmar:

Sorry, there's no "hype" that really matters to Linux applications.

[22:02:22]

clever:

ghz dont mean much

[22:02:25]

clever:

i have a 2.9ghz celeron that cant handle h264

[22:02:30]

kareeser:

hype? :P

[22:02:30]

clever:

and a 1.6ghz that can

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Dagmar:

Hype.

[22:03:26]

Dagmar:

That which you're looking for.

[22:03:28]

justinh:

I've got this toaster – okay it has a mains plug on it, so obviously it takes electricity. Can I use linux on it?

[22:03:37]

kareeser:

Dagmar: much clearer, thanks ;)

[22:03:41]

Dagmar:

You want someone to say "Wow this Atom CPU works great with blah but poorly with blah"

[22:03:43]

Dagmar:

It doesn't matter.

[22:03:54]

justinh:

Atom – smells like C3 :)

[22:04:08]

kareeser:

um, Dagmar, it does matter.

[22:04:25]

kareeser:

if I buy the hardware, and it won't compress the data stream fast enough

[22:04:27]

kareeser:

I'm screwed.

[22:04:30]

kareeser:

I need to know at least that.

[22:04:32]

Dagmar:

Seems like someone just wants to pay extra for smallness that they don't need

[22:04:41]

Dagmar:

Oh, and can't benefit from.

[22:04:41]

kareeser:

so?

[22:04:52]

kareeser:

it's not your place to decide whether or not I want to blow money on this.

[22:04:56]

** justinh sends kareeser a clue **

[22:04:58]

kareeser:

it's your decision on whether or not ot help me

[22:05:02]

Dagmar:

'cuz yer case is going to be the same size no matter whether the CPU is extra tiny ot not

[22:05:12]

kareeser:

if you do, I'm in your debt... but if not, you're not helping much :P

[22:05:19]

Dagmar:

We're trying to make it very clear you're wasting your time pursuing this line of inquiry.

[22:05:31]

justinh:

preventing people doing stupid things is in everybody's best interests

[22:05:33]

kareeser:

then tell me straight out

[22:05:36]

kareeser:

jeezus.

[22:05:43]

Dagmar:

There's things which are worth worrying about, like RAM timings and heat sink designs, and things which aren't, like this.

[22:06:25]

Dagmar:

The things which we've been pointing out seem a hell of a lot like common sense to me.

[22:06:31]

justinh:

besides, if you're thinking about those diddy little new atom powered toys – your only options would HDHR or USB tuners anyway

[22:06:38]

kareeser:

yeah, because you've been working with it for so long

[22:06:48]

kareeser:

for somebody like me, who's just noodling around, I'm just trying to learn

[22:06:55]

kareeser:

and your attitude is counter-productive.

[22:07:04]

Dagmar:

Shut the fuck up about our "attitude"

[22:07:08]

Dagmar:

Yours is deplorable.

[22:07:15]

Dagmar:

We try to answer the questions and we are just getting lip for it.

[22:07:38]

kareeser:

hey, I wanted an answer, and it took me how long to get "no", out of you?

[22:07:45]

Dagmar:

Most of this stuff doesn't require ten years of experience anymore, particularly because stuff that's 10 years old is seven years obsolete..

[22:08:00]

kareeser:

first, I got attitude from you. At least justinh had the common sense to inject some humour

[22:08:01]

Dagmar:

And so you take it upon yourself to bitch at the people who gave you an answer?

[22:08:07]

Dagmar:

Get back on the short bus and ride it home.

[22:08:16]

CyberKnet:

Wow.

[22:08:26]

kareeser:

I'm not angry because you gave me the answer. I'm annoyed because you can't seem to answer questions without sounding like a jerk.

[22:08:29]

CyberKnet:

-1 Personal attack.

[22:08:57]

Dagmar:

kareeser: I think you're just upset because not knowing this stuff makes you feel small and ignorant.

[22:09:13]

kareeser:

not really. I know I don't know anything about mythtv

[22:09:15]

kareeser:

really, that's the reason why I came here

[22:09:28]

kareeser:

to learn. Except I discover that your hostility is making that a little hard at the moment.

[22:09:35]

Dagmar:

I *strongly* suggest you *not* make a habit of bitching at people who tell you information.

[22:09:35]

CyberKnet:

kareeser: I personally do not know of anyone using an Atom CPU in conjunction with MythTV. Not knowing the IPC ratio of ATOM vs modern Athlon / Pentium CPUs, I couldn't begin to say whether or not you could encode an HD stream with it.

[22:09:47]

justinh:

I can't wait for the 'next big PVR' app to come along & do everything the hype says it does. take the heat away from mythtv

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kareeser:

Cyberknet: thank you

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CyberKnet:

kareeser: You are welcome.

[22:10:12]

kareeser:

that's all I needed to hear.

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justinh:

you're gonna be lucky if an atom CPU can play SDTV nevermind HD

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Dagmar:

A single search at NewEgg would have told you everything necessary.

[22:11:00]

CyberKnet:

It wouldn't have come close.

[22:11:03]

CyberKnet:

for him.

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Dagmar:

Yes, it woudl have.

[22:11:10]

CyberKnet:

there is more than Mhz to the equation.

[22:11:18]

Dagmar:

Okay, maybe he needs smaller words than thay use.

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Dagmar:

CyberKnet: Doesn't really matter.

[22:11:57]

Dagmar:

At the moment, for 1080-sized content, the only answer is MOAR MHZS

[22:12:02]

Eng-Blang:

is there a way i can have mythbuntu auto-login to the wireless? When I boot my HTPC, the wireless doesn't connect because it asks for the password and mythtv-frontend starts in front of it

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Dagmar:

No lower-end, or reduced size, or anything like 1.8Ghz will cut it

[22:12:32]

Dagmar:

This is on the wiki with a hard lower-bounds of about 2.4Ghz and that would be pushing it

[22:12:49]

CyberKnet:

Dagmar: That is true... but myth isn't just HDTV... and in all fairness, he didn't mention HDTV.

[22:13:06]

Dagmar:

Eng-Blang: #Ubuntu. The wireless link simply needs to be configured to involve the WEP key

[22:13:11]

Dagmar:

...WITHOUT network-manager.

[22:13:21]

Dagmar:

There's a way to do it that's ubuntu-specific, and they'll know it there.

[22:13:33]

Dagmar:

CDyberKnet: Again, doesn't much matter.

[22:13:48]

Eng-Blang:

Dagmar, thanks

[22:13:52]

Dagmar:

Things *change* when a box is being built for a specific task

[22:14:06]

Dagmar:

This isn't like a desktop machine where you have to ask "are they gonna play games on it?"

[22:14:18]

Dagmar:

SD will play back on just about any piece of crap

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Dagmar:

Encoding of video on the CPU is only done by people too cheap for their own good.

[22:14:59]

Dagmar:

So it pretty much amounts to "Anything you can buy now will do SD with a haradware accellerated tuner card"

[22:15:19]

Dagmar:

...and "HD content playback requres as much speed as you can throw at the problem"

[22:15:22]

Dagmar:

That's it.

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Dagmar:

Until we get full multi-threading of h.264 and possibly some hardware support in video drivers, that's how it's going to be for a long time

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CyberKnet:

I respectfully disagree. I run an Athlon XP 2100 with a PVR-500 doing hardware encoding, and a 3Ware Escalade hardware raid card managing the disks... and there are times SDTV stutters in playback.

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Dagmar:

If you want us to noob it up and make up a bunch of salesman-like bullshit about how such and such chip is better for generic-obscure-task-that-doesnt-exist-in-the-real-world, you're just in the wrong channel.

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Dagmar:

CyberKnet: then you've done something very wrong with your config

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iamlindoro:

Whoah, that setup whould *never* stutter, especially with such basic material... something is very wrong

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Dagmar:

I've got a PVR-500. and I can play this stuff back without even maxing the CPU on my dinky little Vaio with it's Centrino chipset

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leOn:

hello

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CyberKnet:

It is possible that my northbridge is fried, I guess :)

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Dagmar:

Heck, after I tweaked it a bit I was able to keep ti playing properly on my Dell CPx while running on battery (so, 500Mhz)

[22:19:30]

CyberKnet:

When mythfilldatabase runs and I am comm skipping content, and recording a few streams the machine does stutter.

[22:19:38]

leOn:

i've set a dedicated backend server and i'm trying the frontend on another machine .. while watching tv, the image shows but i can't seem to change the channel ... i choose the new channel, press space or return, then there's a brief stop in the stream but the channel remains the same

[22:19:39]

CyberKnet:

I think it is i/o bound on account of said fried northbridge.

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leOn:

any ideas?

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Dagmar:

CyberKnet: First off, make sure you buiilt your kernel with 'capability' support.

[22:20:57]

Dagmar:

That should make it so the frontend can claim realtime priority without being root.

[22:21:14]

Dagmar:

THis is *necessary* to keep just about any other root-level process from being able to starve the playback thread.

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leOn:

in the log i get

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leOn:

2008-07–12 23:21:01.186 Channel(/dev/video0) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(2): Failed to find Channel

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leOn:

2008-07–12 23:21:01.221 Channel(/dev/video0)::TuneTo(2): Error, failed to find channel.

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CyberKnet:

Dagmar: I hadn't considered that... thanks for the tip.

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leOn:

could this be due a broken xmtv grabber ?

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iamlindoro:

leOn: What type of input are you using?

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leOn:

it's an ivtv card

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leOn:

pvr-250

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iamlindoro:

which *input*

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leOn:

tuner1

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iamlindoro:

Okay, so that would be coaxial

[22:23:15]

leOn:

yes

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iamlindoro:

yes, then, something wrong with your channel list very likely

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leOn:

i'll look into that .. i thought it was strange the tv_grab program giving me some warnings

[22:24:09]

iamlindoro:

or with the frequency table you set, possibly

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Dagmar:

Yeah, teh frontend and backend being on separate machines is pretty mcuh a non-issue, so long as you can see an image at all

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leOn:

another thing, not related at all .. any of you guys know the xbmc frontend?

[22:26:03]

leOn:

just wondering if it's any good and if it's worth investing any time in it...

[22:26:22]

Dagmar:

We try not to saddle ourselves with substandard hardware, especially when it means paying money to Satan.

[22:26:34]

iamlindoro:

The xbox itself is not the best frontend for myth, but if you absolutely must use it them it's probably an okay option

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leOn:

it's not a xbox .. it's a linux box running the xbmc linux port

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Dagmar:

If you have one already lying around that you don't mind violating the warranty on

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iamlindoro:

leOn: then there is *no* point in using xbmc, just use a proper frontend

[22:27:27]

Dagmar:

le0n: Find somewhere high, and jump off it if you're actually thinking about using a gimped-up distro on a REAL computer.

[22:27:28]

iamlindoro:

far, far more capable

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Dagmar:

The landing may or may not kill you, but at least it'll be over with quickly.

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leOn:

Dagmar: gimped-up distro? .. what do you mean?

[22:28:08]

Dagmar:

...which is more than I can say for what you'll get from trying to run such a stripped down system on a real computer.

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dustybin:

my bloody lord check this out

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dustybin:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjU3Nw

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iamlindoro:

leOn: What he is saying is that there is *no* point in using the xbmc frontend unless you are *stuck* n the xbox

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Dagmar:

le0n: The SOLE purpose of the "porting" that was done for that was simply for people who just *had* to have the XBMC interface

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leOn:

it's a debian sid box

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iamlindoro:

if you are on an actual linux box, you should without a doubt use proper mythfrontend

[22:29:17]

Dagmar:

The only thing instaling that on a "real" computer will bring you, if you're not looking to run XBMC, is pain, pain, and more pain.

[22:29:29]

leOn:

i just happen to like the look and feel of the xbmc as media player

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Dagmar:

Well, you'll be running MythTV so say goodbye to that

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Dagmar:

You won't need it.

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leOn:

Dagmar: why is that ... i can have a backend install only. that doesn't require any graphical interface

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Dagmar:

What part of "pain, pain, and more pain" was I not clear about?

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iamlindoro:

leOn: the xbmc myth frontend is a crude hack-- if you are on a linux box, do *not* use the xbmc myth frontend

[22:31:20]

leOn:

what pain are you talking about?... i already have xbmc installed and running and also mythbackend

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iamlindoro:

you asked, we answered-- don't argue if you don't like the answer

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: There's been a ton of that going on today

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Dagmar:

I think it's something in the water.

[22:31:51]

iamlindoro:

and don't ask if you don't give a fuck what expert level myth users have to say

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: glad I haven't been paying much attention :)

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Dagmar:

le0n: The pain of running something that design constraints caused things you might need to be sacrificed that didn't need to be because you're no longer operating within the original design constraints

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leOn:

iamlindoro: my doubt was just about using the xbmcmythfrontend and the regular frontend ... and of course i respect your opinion otherwise i wouldn't have asked

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Dagmar:

Like, you can move a house-worth of bricks with a Volkswagon bug, but most people just rent a big goddamn truck.

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Dagmar:

It's big, and it's ugly, but it gets things done in one go, and costs less than having the suspension on the bug replaced after moving ten tons of bricks with it.

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Dagmar:

dustybin: I think we're still 2–3 months away from seeing a real benefit from that, but it's something

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dustybin:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

interestingly both hardware offload and multithread decode in software have great projects going this summer-- if they can just meet in the middle we'll be in fantastic shape

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Dagmar:

Yeah this is why I'm saying 2–3 monts rather than "1 month" like some of these guys are saying

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iamlindoro:

My time estimate was further out, but I will be happily surprised if it is 3 :)

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Dagmar:

I will admit that I don't expect the level of *stability* we're used to for twice that

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Dagmar:

I'm just thinking it'll be 3 months before we're able to have our frontends spontaneously explode while doing fast h.263 playback

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iamlindoro:

heh

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PatrickDK:

I thought everyone was using h.264

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iamlindoro:

I think h.264 is probably most common for HD material (that is pirated material) but I think most of the SD stuff is h.263/xViD

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high-rez:

i'm pretty sure lots of european dvb-s has h.264

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high-rez:

(fta that is)

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: there's a fair amount, but it's not the majority just yet

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high-rez:

i'm not even sure what you mean by pirated. i haven't heard of any of the cable signals being cracked open? the stuff they send down in clear qam is pretty much the same crap you get OTA.

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iamlindoro:

high-rez: most HD material downloaded from the internet is h.264. Most SD stuff people steal off the internet is h.263

[23:02:28]

high-rez:

oh. i guess i've never wanted to waste my crappy bandwith to wait 6 days for a 2 hour movie :)

[23:02:40]

iamlindoro:

that's crappy bandwidth indeed

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high-rez:

i never really considered myth as a convienient way to play internet videos anyways. it seems to shine with atsc/cable capture/dvb-s

[23:05:01]

iamlindoro:

the internet isn't the only way to get them. MythVideo is quite good for those of us who despise spinning disks and back up DVD/Blu-ray/HD-DVD for immediate and permanent access

[23:05:17]

iamlindoro:

I haven't watched off a disk in years

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high-rez:

well, i don't consider ripping the dvd's/hd-dvd's that I bought so that I can play them on my box as priacy. That's just fair use/protecting the media.

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iamlindoro:

I never called it piracy

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high-rez:

Not saying you did, just as it relates to the previous h264 discussion. ;)

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high-rez:

I really wish myth could play bluray off the disc though, i'd buy a drive if it could. It's way too much data to keep more than a few movies on hd at once.

[23:07:28]

high-rez:

A 2 tb backend ends up being crap under the weight of 30 gig movies.

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iamlindoro:

Then you misunderstood-- Dagmar mentioned h.263 because Alex Strange, who is writing the new multithreading for ffmpeg, first implemented it for h.263 (well, first useful codec he implemented it on). PatrickDK mentioned h.264 as the dominant format, and I mentioned that most SD stuff that people downloaded off the internet was h.263, making it a pertinent point.

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high-rez:

Ahh

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iamlindoro:

the discussion was never about codecs or piracy, but about the likely instability of all of these new developments as we being to see them in the coming month

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iamlindoro:

s

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iamlindoro:

either way, yay for new toys :)

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high-rez:

Ditto

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high-rez:

I've understood ffmpeg h264 support to be lacking. I haven't actually watched any h264 content at this point mainly cause my hardware isn't up to par. ;)

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iamlindoro:

it's only really not-that-great if you a) don't have adequate hardware, b) have a stream encoded single-sliced, or c) really need PAFF + Spatial direct support

[23:10:27]

iamlindoro:

for the majority of material (non-PAFF + spatial direct, multi-sliced) it's really pretty good

[23:10:42]

iamlindoro:

it's also gotten a lot better of late, so next ffmpeg sync may actually bring some really neat stuff

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high-rez:

Yeah, I had heard paff/mbaff was a problem for some

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, mostly us HD-PVR owners :)

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iamlindoro:

which outputs single sliced PAFF + spatial direct

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg does support PAFF/MBAFF, just not when it's interlaced and w/ spatial direct mode

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high-rez:

Ahh

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iamlindoro:

so you're safe if you capture in progressive scan or just suppress the errors (It just bitches, it still plays)

[23:12:21]

high-rez:

That device... You still get a lot of loss due to the fact that you're re-encoding already compressed material?

[23:12:38]

high-rez:

Or do you not notice?

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iamlindoro:

At maximum bitrate, the quality loss is almost imperceptible

[23:12:44]

iamlindoro:

*almost* :)

[23:12:49]

iamlindoro:

it's slightly softer, but that's about it

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high-rez:

How about the fire-wire connection into HD STB's? Does that work well?

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iamlindoro:

Well that works perfectly, but the cable company has to leave things unencrypted for that

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high-rez:

Ahh

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iamlindoro:

or rather, leave 5C off for the channel

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high-rez:

Huh. NBC has some HD DVB-S2 at 105.0W

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iamlindoro:

In fairness, you don't need S2 for h.264

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iamlindoro:

may still be MPEG-2

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high-rez:

It's 8PSK

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iamlindoro:

correct

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high-rez:

"DVB-S2 – 8PSK"

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iamlindoro:

doesn't mean the codec has changed, though

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high-rez:

Need an S2 card for 8psk.

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iamlindoro:

yes-- what I am saying is that it may well still be MPEG-2

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iamlindoro:

and that you could put h.264 on regular S if you like

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high-rez:

Ohh. Sure.

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high-rez:

Understood. This says is DVB-2 8PSK MPEG-4/HD

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iamlindoro:

cool-- sounds like Dish network

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high-rez:

http://www.lyngsat.com/amc105.html <--- at the top

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that's a Dishnet bird (not not transponder) so it is probably simulcast

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iamlindoro:

er but not

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high-rez:

I don't see any of their stuff on it.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/dish105.html

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iamlindoro:

because lyngsat is weird

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iamlindoro:

"DISH Network on AMC 15 at 105.0Â°W"

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high-rez:

huh

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iamlindoro:

allll those little local NBCs probably switch to their regional NBC feed for the network stuff, then back for the local stuff

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high-rez:

sure but unencrypted hd network feed is nice

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high-rez:

especially since it doesnt looks to be spot beamed :)

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iamlindoro:

yep, definitely nice

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madfactor:

hello all

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clever:

2008-07–12 20:56:36.677 MythPlugin::init() dlerror: /media/mainlv/root/7.10//lib/mythtv/plugins/libmytharchive.so: undefined symbol: _ZN11MythContext13verbose_mutexE

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clever:

ive been getting that for a while and ive rebuilt the plugins a few times

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Dagmar:

Yeah, well, make sure you don't have an extra set of the libs somewhere else, like /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib

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