Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, July 7th, 2008, 00:02 UTC

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: The link works fine, firefox three is broken, use 2 or something besides firefox

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EnderTheThird:

Heh, I need to install Epiphany for 1 site, lol.

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iamlindoro:

Complain to firefox (althrough there's already a ticket open re: this issue)

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iamlindoro:

er although

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EnderTheThird:

Meh, another time.

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EnderTheThird:

The files are more important first, heh

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jpabq:

iamlindoro, I added a patch to the HD-PVR ticket you *may* want to try.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: yeah, have been following in #hdpvr-- will give it a shot this vening

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iamlindoro:

er evening

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cesman:

iamlindoro, http://www.logicsupply.com/products/j9f2_khde

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jpabq:

I will be interested if this patch help reduce 1080i playback faults.

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cesman:

equiped w/ a core2duo 1.66 it is a fine system!

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iamlindoro:

cesman: That's still not going to cut it for even mid-bitrate h.264... fine for US broadcast, though, I suppose

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cesman:

iamlindoro that it is

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: how many files are there for that patch?

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EnderTheThird:

nevermind, i got to it in IE in a VM

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: one or two IIRC, don't recall how many I broke it out into. Make sure you apply to the right revision

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EnderTheThird:

I can just use the .deb for Mplayer w/o needing a patch though, right? I compiled ffmpeg myself. Just trying to find out how to turn it into a .deb so myth stops removing stuff for lack of dependencies :-/

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: I wouldn't rely on the deb, that relies on you having everything set up like I did, and that you be running 64 bit-- I would just compile yourself

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EnderTheThird:

I've never had to patch stuff. I've compiled and installed, even made a couple deb's, but never had to apply a patch. Embarrassing I know, haha. You don't need to walk me through it, but I'm having trouble finding information on *how* to apply patches; I just keep finding stuff telling me to apply it.

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iamlindoro:

check out the right revision, copy the patch into the source directory, patch -po < nameofpatch.patch

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iamlindoro:

er -p0

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EnderTheThird:

do this before "make"?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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EnderTheThird:

and configure for that matter

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cesman:

don't forget --dry-run

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iamlindoro:

cesman: since my patches have the revision number on them, and he should be checking out exactly that revision, he shouldn't need --dry-run

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cesman:

:)

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iamlindoro:

anyway, back to xbox!

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EnderTheThird:

Last one (I hope). I'm not seeing how to specify which subversion when co'ing source

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iamlindoro:

svn co -r ######

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EnderTheThird:

*tips hat* thanks

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EnderTheThird:

hunks failed.... damn

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iamlindoro:

Then you either checked out the wrong rev or put the pach in the wrong directory

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iamlindoro:

er patch

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EnderTheThird:

hmmm.

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EnderTheThird:

Don't suppose that stuff is in the latest revision do you?

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iamlindoro:

no, it's not

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EnderTheThird:

I specified the versions from the Wiki.

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EnderTheThird:

bummer

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iamlindoro:

it will be at least a few months before that stuff appears in mplayer, most likely

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EnderTheThird:

there are 4 patch files at that site. the 2 mplayer_r ones are for mplayer, and the other 2 are for patching ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro:

correct, and the patch filenames indicate the revision they patch

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iamlindoro:

actually, one is for ffmpeg, the two mplayer ones are, predictably, for mplayer

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iamlindoro:

don't worry about anything else

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EnderTheThird:

There's DTSHD and the EAC3 one for ffmpeg... so 2?

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iamlindoro:

no

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iamlindoro:

like I said, just because I named something .[atch doesn't mean I intend for oyu to use it

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iamlindoro:

:)

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iamlindoro:

er .patch

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EnderTheThird:

heh, got ya

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EnderTheThird:

i'm just wondering which one is for ffmpeg then

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iamlindoro:

use process of elimination, which codecs are you adding support for to ffmpeg?

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iamlindoro:

and which patch *doesn't* have the word mplayer on it?

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iamlindoro:

that leaves one patch

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EnderTheThird:

the 4 .patch files are the 2 mplayer ones, and then dtshd and eac3.

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iamlindoro:

you're not reading closely enough

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iamlindoro:

jesus

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iamlindoro:

just use eac3_mlp.patch for ffmpeg

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iamlindoro:

so much for common sense

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EnderTheThird:

my bad bro. i thought you were saying no to both dtshd and eac3 for use with ffmpeg. and i didn't see any other patches on there

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EnderTheThird:

mplayer patched fine this time though. no idea what the hell i did different from before, but thanks

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EnderTheThird:

no such luck with ffmpeg, but i guess i'll mess with that later

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Dagmar:

Whew

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Dagmar:

FINALLY got all the equipment moved around, wires hidden, etc

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar: congrats. I keep screwing with other stuff instead of being productive like that, haha

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squish102:

im finally getting somewhere with a firfly mini ir receiver and harmony remote...

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squish102:

is there a key to jump straight to the recorded shows?

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EnderTheThird:

squish: you know that Harmony has it in their DB as a pretty good starting point, right?

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squish102:

yes that is y i chose the firefly ir receiver... but getting that to work with mythtv was a challenge

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squish102:

and there is so many different parts to get all lined up before it all works together :(

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EnderTheThird:

k, just making sure. i still need to finish up with mine too. Gotta get the custom buttons to do something useful, ha

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squish102:

i always get 80% complete with a universal remote

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squish102:

and 80% is not good enough

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EnderTheThird:

haha, no kidding

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squish102:

even this harmony 550, that i have, does not have a nice A B C key like the DVR needs... so the wife will bitch about it

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EnderTheThird:

do they have a better Harmony profile than the HA-91 on Harmony's site?

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EnderTheThird:

Errr, Myth profile.

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EnderTheThird:

I used that one and it works well enough, but some of the custom buttons return the same IR code.

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squish102:

u see now, u have lost me ;)

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EnderTheThird:

In the Harmony setup page online, what'd you select for your MythTV device?

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squish102:

i selected the snapstream firefly remote

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squish102:

because i had that remote sort of working with mythtv

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squish102:

and found a page on mythtv wiki that helped

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EnderTheThird:

Alright

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jeffery:

I a buying a Hauppauge remote for my mythbox and I saw this notice on the site: "The IR transmitter included does not support IrDA" Is this going to affect it from working on my mythbuntu box?

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Dagmar:

Have you Googled what IrDA is yet?

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jeffery:

yes I have... on wikipedia...

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Dagmar:

This is not a question you should have to ask other people.

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jeffery:

then whom should I ask? if you don't have a suggestion then don't

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Dagmar:

It's not a question you should have to ask other people if you'd spent more than five minutes looking into it.

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Dagmar:

Are you going to ask us if the Windows logo on the box means it might not work with Linux, next?

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squish102:

M brings up the electronic program guide acording to http://wilsonet.com/mythtv/keys.txt... any1 know a key to bring up the recording screen?

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TheDarkAura:

hey what do i do if i dont have a /dev/video listed?

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Dagmar:

TheDarkAura: Check dmesg to see if your tuner card drivers came up properly

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TheDarkAura:

kk

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jeffery:

look Dagmar I am not hear to argue with you.. I am looking for help from the more knowledgeable not coming here to get answers because I am lazy to googler

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squish102:

setting up the remote, i need a key to jump directly to recorded programs... anyone know the key?

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EnderTheThird:

Dagmar: take it easy man. I'd want to check with other people before I shell out money on that too. Wikipedia is great, but it doesn't hurt to check even if he *did* find the info

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jeffery:

I have done my bit of googling and haven't found the right answers and hence my question

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EnderTheThird:

especially because i'm poor, heh

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jeffery:

EnderTheThird, exactly

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Dagmar:

EnderTheThird: it's the snarky response I got back that was irksome

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Dagmar:

IrDA has *nothing* to do with LIRC.

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Dagmar:

It's really really obvious to anyone who has read the LIRC docs or FAQ because it mentions it explicitly as the reason why the built-in IR ports on laptops are not suitable for use with LIRC.

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jeffery:

dagar, and how would I known that.. if I had known than I wouldn't have asked for help.. case closed

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Dagmar:

You *lie* when you say you've googled this

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Dagmar:

Period.

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Dagmar:

You clicked one link and decided you were done

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cesman:

man oh man...

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EnderTheThird:

this conversation is getting painful fellas.

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jeffery:

whatever dagar

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Dagmar:

Lying about it is lame

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Dagmar:

http://www.lirc.org/faq.html

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Dagmar:

# Is my USB IrDA dongle supported by LIRC?

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Dagmar:

No, it's technically not possible to use USB IrDA dongles (as specified by the Infrared Data Association) with LIRC. This does not apply to USB receivers in general.

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Dagmar:

For the record, I *did* have a suggestion, and that suggestion was to just google it

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Dagmar:

Don't freaking tell me to shut it because you don't like my suggestion.

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jeffery:

haha I am enjoying listening what you have to say

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jeffery:

you are having a frutstrating day aren't you?

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Dagmar:

At least someone is. I'm personally sick of lazy people getting snarky with the people trying to help.

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Dagmar:

I can at least find things out with a search engine, so the frustration must be you projecting.

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jeffery:

if thats the case you are here just to hang out?

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wagnerrp:

IrDA is not supported, but i believe there are some IrDA units that receive consumer IR as well

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iamlindoro:

Many of us are just here to hang out and seldom if ever ask questions. *someone* has to know what they're doing around here

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iamlindoro:

or it's just be #ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro:

er it'd

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bmathis1:

no one answers Q's on #ubuntu-mythtv

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iamlindoro:

that's because nobody knows the answers in #ubuntu-mythtv

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jeffery:

well if everyone is here to "hang out" then why is the topic called "Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel.".. it shouyld be called the mythtv hang out channel

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bmathis1:

haha.. probably

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webvictim:

to be honest

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webvictim:

the easiest way to have dealt with jeffery's question would have been to just say "no"

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EnderTheThird:

i used to get confused when there'd be 200 people in here and no one would reply to my questions. but then i kept finding myself idling and forgetting to close IRC, so who am i to judge now, heh

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wagnerrp:

well if they hung out in #mythtv, they would get yelled at by the devs

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webvictim:

because irda is nothing to do with remote controls :P

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jeffery:

webvictim, thanks.. I am outta here...

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webvictim:

goodbye.

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EnderTheThird:

WOOOO!!!! Got my first BD movie ripped!

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wagnerrp:

linux or windows?

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Dagmar:

webvictim: Scroll up and re-read.

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Dagmar:

He conveniently overlooks the fact that he was a prick from the start about it

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EnderTheThird:

Used AnyDVD HD in a Windows VM. Now it's just *playing* the damned thing that will be fun...

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webvictim:

he didn't handle it well when challenged about it, Dagmar, but you could've just said "no" in the first place

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webvictim:

rather than being the typical IRC support arsehole

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Dagmar:

Oh fuck yiou

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webvictim:

which tends to get people's backs up ;)

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Dagmar:

I made the foolish mistake of assuming he was literate and had a baseline 100 IQ.

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Dagmar:

Apparently I was wrong.

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webvictim:

maybe so :(

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: FWIW, VBox seemed to rip at a slightly faster rate than VMWare (about 8.5 MB/s compared to 6.5), but it would freeze after 10–20% and stop ripping. Probably something with my setup. But you might wanna try VBox if it'll go faster for you.

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Dagmar:

So don't you dare call me a "typical IRC asshole"

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Dagmar:

I was very nice about it, until he started being a dick.

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webvictim:

i didn't say typical IRC arsehole, dude. just "support channel arsehole"

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webvictim:

there's too many on freenode ;)

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Dagmar:

Pedantry

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webvictim:

not a crime!

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Dagmar:

There's way too many lazy ass newbs on freenode

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Dagmar:

Ubuntu is NOT setting the new standard to "people must be read to by helpers like they're children"

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Dagmar:

No freaking way

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webvictim:

admittedly, that part is frustrating

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Dagmar:

It'll be Endless September all over if they do

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webvictim:

heh

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Dagmar:

Not "frustrating". FATAL.

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wagnerrp:

i was like... 8, at the start of endless september

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webvictim:

i was probably older than that

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wagnerrp:

damned old farts

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webvictim:

i would've been nine

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webvictim:

so not much older :P

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Dagmar:

I was like 16 or 17. I dont' really remember

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wagnerrp:

at that time, i was using compuserve

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Dagmar:

I just remember I had to write a script to auto-kill AOL users from the channels I was in

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webvictim:

heh

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webvictim:

now that would've been fun

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Dagmar:

It was a non-stop deluge of dimwits and dumbasses

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webvictim:

(for all the wrong reasons)

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wagnerrp:

unlike dagmar, who was using other peoples servers

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wagnerrp:

:P

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Dagmar:

Hey, who's to say those weren't meant to be accessible

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Dagmar:

:)

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Dagmar:

I had a *few* legit accounts here and there

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webvictim:

sounds interesting

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: if you have any resources that could help me with what to do after ripping using AnyDVD HD instead of with DumpHD, let me know. The wiki only talks about using DumpHD. Thanks.

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bmathis1:

does anyone use a CF card in a frontend only machine?

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wagnerrp:

BRDs are just an mpeg2 TS arent they?

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wagnerrp:

bmathis1: CF card for boot disk?

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bmathis1:

wagnerrp: yes, minimal install, boots and starts mythfrontend automagically

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: There is absolutely no difference

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wagnerrp:

ive got a network boot running, but its probably far more bloated than you would use

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I was under the impression they could contain h264-encoded video, but I've not had a chance to read the specs to be sure

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bmathis1:

i wanna build a tiny frontend so I have a non-beast makin noise in the living room and was thinkin a cf card wouild help keep it tiny with less noise... I was just wondering if anyone was using one and how durable, for lack of a better term, they are

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: Thanks. Must not have the .evo files mentioned because I ripped a BD instead then.

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: m2ts is just the container, they can indeed contain h.264 video

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Dagmar:

bmathis: LIke all flash memory, they should last for years and years *if you're not writing to them all the tiem(

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: OKay, thanks. That confirms it

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: Read the wiki page more carefully, it mentions m2ts and mentions that there is no difference

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Dagmar:

bmathis: I'm still considering just getting an 8Gb thumbdrive to boot from, but...

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: i'm a sucker for details :) but i think you've noticed that, haha

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Dagmar:

You're still going to have the problem of storage space for programs

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Dagmar:

THAT is going to mean that either you're going to have disks *anyway* (and they're not a big noise source... fans are)

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bmathis1:

i was thinking about a thumbdrive as well, but I have a few CF to IDE and cards here already

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Dagmar:

...or that you might as well just learn how to make things boot from the network entirely.

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bmathis1:

4gb should be more than enough since recordings , etc will be stored on the backend

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wagnerrp:

youre going to have to use NFS anyway, why not just network boot?

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bmathis1:

I know how to do boot from the network, i just wanted to try with CF cards as well

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wagnerrp:

ah

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wagnerrp:

it would probably boot a lot faster

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know how much worth that is

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Dagmar:

Well, if you've got GigE, network booting would probably strip the paint off everything else

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wagnerrp:

youre still pulling off a disk somewhere

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Dagmar:

Not necessarily.

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bmathis1:

yeah i know... im just playin with junk

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webvictim:

you're still pulling off SOMETHING somewhere. :P

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Dagmar:

When you're booting a machine from a local disk, you dont' have any disk caching going on.

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EnderTheThird:

iamlindoro: hmmm, this seems to play alright in VLC without anything special.

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wagnerrp:

so unless youve managed to get the nfs share cached in memory on the server, its going to be slower than the CF card

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Dagmar:

From a remote fileserver, IT may have the files in cache already.

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iamlindoro:

EnderTheThird: There are some disks that don't have HD audio formats. So?

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wagnerrp:

only if youve booted it recently

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Dagmar:

When I used to play EverQuest, I got *better* performance over 100base-T than I did with the local disks because the fileserver was a striped raid of 10k RPM SCSI disks

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: No.

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iamlindoro:

There are also some disks with "family friendly" audio in AC3 format which edits out swearing... all up to you to figure out what you need

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EnderTheThird:

i was just surprised, that's all

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wagnerrp:

well i suppose it depends on how quickly your server burns through memory (and how quickly the cache gets flushed out)

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Dagmar:

It's not like the kernel dumps filesystem cache ever if it doesn't have a need to.

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Dagmar:

Something that's "just" a fileserver will tend to do rather well at the disk caching game

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Dagmar:

On a college campus or something where hundreds might be hitting at once, not real great

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Dagmar:

...but in someone's _home_? ...with their maybe 3–4 machines at peak that might be accessing it at any given moment?

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wagnerrp:

well one recording over NFS should flush out anything on all but the largest home machines

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Dagmar:

If it works like that, I

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Dagmar:

If it works like that, I've never seen it

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wagnerrp:

well my boot server is separate from my file server and only does DNS/DHCP/RRD besides that

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wagnerrp:

so its relatively unused

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Dagmar:

The machines I've netbooted acted pretty much like they were keeping /usr in cache

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Dagmar:

...as in the fileserver was sharing that caching

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wagnerrp:

but ive not noticed better boot times after booting up a second time

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Dagmar:

Copyign the boot image over is not a major component of the boot time

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wagnerrp:

but then it only has 512MB, so it may not actually have the cache to hold the boot files

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Dagmar:

Even a 128Mb image is going to come flying over at the speed of a sneeze

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wagnerrp:

the boot server holds the file system as well

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Dagmar:

Yes, and if you're basically mounting it's /usr you both get to share the disk cache

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wagnerrp:

everything but media and home directories

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Dagmar:

Meh. Gotta byu me a burger. I'll try to pull up some metrics later

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wagnerrp:

ive got to set up new install images for gentoo

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wagnerrp:

new release today

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spikemcc:

I need help to setup my wintvpvr usb 2 if you can help me I'm trying for hours ...

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WattoDaToydarian:

Hey everyone, I am trying to do some troubleshooting and I was wondering if it were possible to send a video file through like the recording interface of mythbackend? I am wanting to do this because I believe mythbackend is corrupting one of my DTV channels.

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wagnerrp:

mplayer plays fine from the tuner?

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spikemcc:

nope

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source_code:

is it possible to modify the x line in inittab to load mythfrontend instead of loading the window manager and then mythfrontend

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darthanubis:

anyone with a pvr250 and debian lenny?

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wagnerrp:

ahh.... the virtues of patience

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iamlindoro:

haha

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fryfrog:

it is an instant world, no answer in 1 min = give up

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iamlindoro:

not to mention his specific, detailed question

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fryfrog:

true true

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wagnerrp:

well his question was not one for help

[02:17:08]

wagnerrp:

but rather one of inquery

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fryfrog:

yeah, maybe he was taking a survey

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fryfrog:

like "hey, how many of you here like the ladies?"

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iamlindoro:

I have a feeling that was going to devolve into a help request

[02:18:30]

iamlindoro:

which is why I never answer "anyone have widget x with OS y?"

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wagnerrp:

anybody use freecell on windows?

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wagnerrp:

man, that game is the shiznitz

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fryfrog:

anyone use toilet paper to wipe their bottom after they drop the kids off at the pool?

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wagnerrp:

i use one of those bidai things

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wagnerrp:

it sprays water on your ass

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Dagmar:

Nothing but dried grass here

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iamlindoro:

three seashells

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Dagmar:

What the hell release is "Lenny" anywya?

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: youre such a hard ass

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wagnerrp:

Lenny?

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Dagmar:

He wanted to know who was running Debian Lenny

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fryfrog:

maybe it is the new bleeding edge?

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Dagmar:

Yep

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Dagmar:

That's what I'm seeing on their site

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Dagmar:

So basically, I'm thinking my initial assessment--that the guy was insane--is correct.

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fryfrog:

so it probably has a lot of stuff that was new like 2 years ago :p

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Dagmar:

It's actually debian's Testing tree.

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Dagmar:

...and by 'testing' they definitely mean "not meant for production use"

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wagnerrp:

i bet he wants to run trunk as well

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Dagmar:

There's cutting edge, and then there's bleeding edge, where you hemmorhage a bit

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Dagmar:

Lenny is profuse bleeding

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darthanubis:

any debian lenny uses with pvr250?

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fryfrog:

HLEY COW!

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fryfrog:

i swear i regonize your name and that question!

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fryfrog:

we had a 10 or 15min discussion after you left :)

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fryfrog:

i suspect there probably are one or two people using a pvr250 and lenny

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source_code:

is it possible to load mythfrontend without loading window manger?

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fryfrog:

yes, but it is a bad idea

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source_code:

reason?

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fryfrog:

you should use fluxbox, rat poison if fw<iforgettherest>

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fryfrog:

window focus, stuff like that

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wagnerrp:

window manager manages things such as focus

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source_code:

true

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source_code:

i am using fluxbox

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wagnerrp:

things become erratic and uncontrollable without a window manager

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fryfrog:

i'll just crop up as something you can't figure out when you are a few steps down the line

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fryfrog:

not worth it

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fryfrog:

flux is awesome, my favorite wm :)

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source_code:

but saw a post that frontend can be loaded without window manager to save resources

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wagnerrp:

to be honest, flux was too minimal for me

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wagnerrp:

but i would shit my pants if someone added the pervasive tabbing to other window managers

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source_code:

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GreyFoxx:

sour: Just cause you can do something doesn't make it a good idea :)

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source_code:

i am just trying to learn

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fryfrog:

source_code: the amount of resources you'd save is inversely proportional to the hastle it would cause :/

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wagnerrp:

something minimal would be using a handful of MB

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GreyFoxx:

But then using a xbox is asking for pain anyway with the tiny ram

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iamlindoro:

now you know, it's possible but a really really bad idea

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source_code:

of course a word or two from the wise will help

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fryfrog:

if you were doing gnome or kde, then i'd say it'd be worth it

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wagnerrp:

if youre that hard up for memory, spend the $20 and buy another GB

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fryfrog:

wait, you are on an xbox?

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source_code:

yes

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fryfrog:

fwvm, is that the even more basic one?

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wagnerrp:

well so much for buying memory

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fryfrog:

you might consider that, or maybe you really might even consier no wm :)

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wagnerrp:

twm is about as basic as you can get

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fryfrog:

sorry, didn't realize you were on a celeron 733 w/ 64mb of ram

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source_code:

yes thats what i am talking about

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fryfrog:

you tried one of the even more slim ones?

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wagnerrp:

although i dont know how twm would react to full screen apps

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fryfrog:

do you actually *have* performance issues?

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source_code:

well.. boot time... live tv loading

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fryfrog:

personally, i think xbmc is teh awesome

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source_code:

xbmc mythtv does'nt work for me for some reason

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fryfrog:

are you seeing 100% cpu usage at those times? i'm not sure if no wm will change much of that

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fryfrog:

oh, i wouldn't use mythtv

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fryfrog:

just xbmc :)

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fryfrog:

if your BE records mpeg2?

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fryfrog:

and the clean file naming thing

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fryfrog:

course, no livetv

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source_code:

but thats the requirement

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fryfrog:

actually, i wouldn't even use an xbox as an FE cause of no HD :)

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source_code:

that is the main reason i dropped that way

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source_code:

well my basic use is just frontend

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source_code:

dedicated

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source_code:

and maybe xbmc for movies if that

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J-e-f-f-A:

source_code: I had an Xbox setup as a SD frontend for some time – it worked well. Of course, when I added an HD tuner and it was selected first for 'live tv', it couldn't be used for Live TV... But that wasn't a problem here...

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iamlindoro:

ummmmmmmmmmm ok bye

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fryfrog:

miss click?

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fryfrog:

that was real sudden :p

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J-e-f-f-A:

Oh well... ;-)

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fryfrog:

kind of like when you hang up on someone while *you* are talking so they don't suspect you hung up on them

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bmathis1:

haha... i do that all the time!

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fryfrog:

J-e-f-f-A: you could have fixed the hd tuner being selected first for live tv

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fryfrog:

"hey mom, you won't believe what happened whie we were at the zoo! we were looking at the monkeys and there was this <CLICK>" :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Yeah, my current backend starts with the SD tuners now... I think it's the order in which they're added within mythtv-setup, right?

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fryfrog:

well, not that i'd hang up on my mom :)

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fryfrog:

J-e-f-f-A: that and there is a tick box for something like "try to use least used tuner for livetv

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fryfrog:

and i think it uses priority

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fryfrog:

so if you tick that box, set HD to +1 and SD to -1 (or 0?) you'd use the SD for livetv

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fryfrog:

also possibly giving you the advantage of the HD being used over the SD when they can record the same thing (but HD gets a +bonus already anyway)

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Well, in my case, having just added the HD tuner, it was the 'least used'... ;-)

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fryfrog:

sorry, phrasing is wrong

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fryfrog:

it is more like "use lowest priority tuner" or "avoid conflicts" or something

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fryfrog:

but i'm pretty sure it picks the lowest priority tuner (which you'd hopefully set to the SD)

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Yep, I have... I haven't actually run the xbox since 0.19 – I started running SVN for a while, and couldn't get enough space freed up on it to compile the svn version, so I haven't been using it in a while. Even now that I'm on...

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fryfrog:

yeah, xbox frontend is no big loss :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: ... 0.20 – just haven't taken the time to set it up again...

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fryfrog:

i need to get some new fans for my frontend, the chipset fan whines like a kid when you punch them in the face and take their candy

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J-e-f-f-A:

So at the moment, I'm just running my backend with a PVR-500, HD-3000, HD-5500, and HVR-1250 as an occasional frontend, and an Asus Pundit P2 as a frontend in my bedroom. My son's using a HD UPnP player at the moment...

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fryfrog:

and that pulls from myth?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Yep. Although, only the first UPnP device to connect to myth works for some reason – If he turns on the Linsys music player, it won't see myth if the HD Player connects first, and vise-versa. (same with the other 2 UPnP units I have...)

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fryfrog:

ah

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fryfrog:

is that with 0.20 or 0.21-fixes?

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Myth just acts like a simple media browser with UPnP... You get a directory tree, like "Recordings" "Videos" "Music", etc.

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fryfrog:

ah

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J-e-f-f-A:

fryfrog: Oh, my bad... 0.21-fixes... (brain fart)...

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** J-e-f-f-A had the xbox up on 0.20... oops... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

!trout himself brain fart

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** MythLogBot slaps himself with a brain fart trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

!trout J-e-f-f-A brain fart

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** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a brain fart trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... **

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** J-e-f-f-A even screwed that up the first time! ;-) (I'm tired!!!) **

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iamlindoro:

!trout J-e-f-f-A manpage

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** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a manpage trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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fryfrog:

haha

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Hey... [ot]... When you lived out here, did you ever make it out to the big car show in Worcester – the "New England Summer Nationals"? I just spent the weekend there with my 73 Chevelle... ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Nope, never went-- tried to stay out of Worcester whenever possible :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: I can certainly understand that... But if you're a car guy like me, a car show with 6,000+ cars is pretty cool. ;-) (ok, back on subject... ;-) )

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hexa:

hi all, quick question ,, it seems when I select watch videos .. it can take 30 sec to 1 min for the video menu to appear .. any ideas why ?

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** J-e-f-f-A is going to bed... Goodnight all... ;-) **

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Dagmar:

Slow database, slow machine, slow disk.

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Dagmar:

Could be a lot of things

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Dagmar:

Could be the sheer size of your database makes it take forever

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hexa:

Dagmar, humm k... is it possible to kinda disable the db and go by files?

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Dagmar:

No.

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noisymime:

Not wanting to hijack this channel, but the experimental Gloss mythtv frontend has just had its 0.1 release and testers/feedback would be greatly appreciated: http://gloss-project.org

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Dagmar:

That's not hijacking

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Dagmar:

It's just off topic a bit

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fryfrog:

what is gloss?

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hexa:

Dagmar, humm k I'll try to figure it out then , thx

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iamlindoro:

something that should have been created as a patch/expansion to MythUI ;)

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Dagmar:

Now, if you wanted to talk about a Win32 port--that we'd consider hijacking

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noisymime:

fryfrog: An alternative myth frontend built using the Clutter OpenGL framework.

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fryfrog:

ah

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noisymime:

iamlindoro: Yes, yes... I know

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Dagmar:

...which is probably a very correct design decision

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Dagmar:

I don't know about the Python part of it, but to each his own

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noisymime:

Dagmar: Python was chosen to make life easier for devs, both myself and anyone wanting to write modules/plugins. You'd be surprised how small an impact it makes performance wise if that's what you're worried about

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Dagmar:

No, it's not performance. It's that you used Python instead of a language I know well, like perl.

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Dagmar:

;)

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Dagmar:

BTW, having half-naked girl voyuer videos in your demo is cheating

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Dagmar:

=D

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darthanubis:

any debian lenny uses with pvr250?

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noisymime:

I can't help it... Its just what's on TV at the time of night I tend to be coding ;)

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darthanubis:

I have the ivtv modules loaded but mythtv-setup is unable to see /dev/video0

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iamlindoro:

permissions

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darthanubis:

dmesg give me this ivtv0: Unable to open firmware v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw (must be 376836 bytes)

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darthanubis:

ivtv0: Did you put the firmware in the hotplug firmware directory?

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iamlindoro:

I weep for our inner-city youth when plain-english error messages are lost on people

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Dagmar:

So why are you asking us this?

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro

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darthanubis:

the files are in the hotplug directory, and loaded

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Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Competence has an inverse relationship with the "importance" of the pseudonym I suspect.

[03:18:46]

Dagmar:

darthanubis: Oh really? What makes you think they're

[03:18:48]

Dagmar:

"loaded"

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darthanubis:

so, I asked to see if anyone has come across this issue with like experiences, until I google a fix

[03:19:12]

Dagmar:

People see that when they ignore it repeatedly.

[03:19:21]

darthanubis:

lsmod shows the modules are "loaded"

[03:19:24]

Dagmar:

You're being told three things by that message.

[03:19:27]

Dagmar:

Check all three.

[03:19:39]

Dagmar:

So you see v4l-cx2341x-enc.fw loaded as a module?

[03:19:54]

Dagmar:

If you do, your system is fatally broken.

[03:21:23]

Dagmar:

Read the messages it's giving you _aloud_

[03:21:32]

Dagmar:

I swear to god this is far simpler than you're thinking it is

[03:22:00]

Dagmar:

...and by messages I mean the two lines you've just pasted to us

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iamlindoro:

a shiny nickel says someone looked for a directory called "hotplug" and put the firware there

[03:22:11]

iamlindoro:

er firmware

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Dagmar:

Linux, unlike Windows, will tell you *exactly* what's wrong, and usually tells you how to fix it as an added bonus

[03:22:31]

Dagmar:

This is one of those cases.

[03:24:54]

Dagmar:

He claims he put the firmware files in the hotplug directory

[03:25:01]

Dagmar:

wrong chan

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Dagmar:

There's got to be some way to make that message more explicit, but I can't think of it. I'm soliciting help from someone else in the .edu realm

[03:26:09]

iamlindoro:

Guess it could pull the firmware directory variable from somewhere and explicitly state that

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure if the kernel can see that variable

[03:27:15]

Dagmar:

It's not stored in kernelspace

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, that's still my guess for what issue is here. I'm also resigned to the fact that even though we're sitting here discussing the solution, that someone will get bitter about it and never tell us that we've solved his problem *or* will make up some BS about how he fixed it himself.

[03:28:57]

Dagmar:

I'm still hoping it was just a momentary lapse of reason, or that we can put a finger on some way to make that message more explicit

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iamlindoro:

I think I'll just go Play Bully

[03:29:35]

iamlindoro:

as opposed to sitting in here and, erm... play bully.

[03:34:54]

iamlindoro:

oooh, new JJ Abrams show

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k-man:

any idea what this device is and if it could be used as a mythtv frontend? http://www.graysonline.com.au/lot.asp?LOT_ID=2770794

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iamlindoro:

it's a scaler, and no, absolutely no chance it could be a myth frontend as it's not even remotely a computer

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k-man:

iamlindoro: what is a scaler?

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iamlindoro:

it takes things or one resolution and scales them to another

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iamlindoro:

er things of

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k-man:

iamlindoro: oh, i see

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wagnerrp:

i would imagine if youre in the market for a scalar, you already know what just about any piece of AV equipment is for

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k-man:

i guess so

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k-man:

back to my search for a mythtv-frontend

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k-man:

i thought about getting an xbox but it sounds hard to get linux onto the xboxes

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wagnerrp:

do you ever want to do HD?

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k-man:

yes

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k-man:

in future i do

[04:33:16]

k-man:

but not right now

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wagnerrp:

then dont bother with an Xbox

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k-man:

yeah

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k-man:

thats what i heard

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wagnerrp:

well an xbox just cant output hd

[04:34:06]

wagnerrp:

otherwise, you throw XBMC on it, and it makes a nice replay device, sans live tv

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k-man:

xbmc?

[04:34:25]

wagnerrp:

xbox media center

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k-man:

oh, i see

[04:35:14]

k-man:

but can that act as an FE for mythtv?

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tank-man:

not for hd content

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wagnerrp:

it can play recordings, music, and videos over upnp

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k-man:

yes, but for SD?

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wagnerrp:

but it cannot use live tv (yet)

[04:36:10]

wagnerrp:

that may change in the distant future if the upnp module is expanded

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tank-man:

i used the python plugin with xbmc and could watch live tv

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wagnerrp:

i stand corrected

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wagnerrp:

i dont have an xbox to play with, so this is just what i remember incorrectly off the top of my head

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Dagmar:

Okay. I think I've got the fine-details on shrinkydink case badges worked out.

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** tjcarter wonders if he can yet actually make a decent FE in mini-itx form factor **

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tjcarter:

"Thermally advantage case!"

[04:58:16]

tjcarter:

Well, if I can find a suitable board, at least I know the case is thermally advantage enough that it shouldn't overheat during playback ;)

[04:58:57]

Dagmar:

Antec NSK2480

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noisymime:

tjcarter: What do you mean by decent? I'm really happy with the one I put together, though its SD only

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tjcarter:

noisymime: I'd like to be able to play back full resolution AVC

[05:01:46]

tjcarter:

noisymime: I figure the cheapest AMD64 X2 chip on Newegg would do the job, but it'd have to be something like that.

[05:02:44]

tank-man:

from what i hear around here, HD res avc will be tough

[05:03:00]

tjcarter:

in that form factor, yeah

[05:03:26]

tjcarter:

I suppose I could go mATX

[05:04:30]

tjcarter:

Particularly since I could go with a 1U-style PSU and go for a pizza box shape

[05:04:48]

tjcarter:

No slots involved, so that could work

[05:06:07]

tjcarter:

I'd just use a board with onboard video--trivial since apparently the most common onboard video for AMD (ATI 1250) is apparently no longer bad voodoo ;)

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tjcarter:

The hard thing to do would be to make it small and quiet

[05:09:57]

tjcarter:

Without some dedicated hardware to decode AVC, that's probably not possible.

[05:12:32]

tjcarter:

In the more traditional LP-HTPC case realm, inwin makes a fairly nice option: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811108058

[05:13:06]

k-man:

so how much grunt is needed to play hd at 1080p?

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noisymime:

I'm a bit out of touch with such things, but is there any hardware decode solution for AVC that works under linux?

[05:13:42]

tjcarter:

noisymime: not that you and I can afford =D

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tjcarter:

Probably not as a discrete card.

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noisymime:

tjcarter: I figured as much :(

[05:15:19]

tjcarter:

k-man: Apparently AMD64 X2 3600+ can play 1080i AVC at moderate bitrate.

[05:15:33]

wagnerrp:

i wouldnt doubt that someone makes a $2K+ video editing card that works under linux

[05:15:55]

tjcarter:

k-man: Doing the job right for high bitrate 1080p probably needs a 4400+ or faster.

[05:16:09]

k-man:

tjcarter: oh really? thats interesting

[05:16:44]

tjcarter:

Mind you, I'm figuring that for a dedicated FE

[05:16:45]

k-man:

tjcarter: like a AM2 Athlon 64 X2 65W : 4800?

[05:16:55]

tjcarter:

That'd do it

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k-man:

oh well thats not too expensive

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k-man:

tjcarter: yes, i was thinking of dedicated FE too

[05:21:17]

k-man:

tjcarter: i want to build something small, sleek and responsive

[05:21:51]

k-man:

tjcarter: and perhaps even use a flash disk instead of hdd for local storeage

[05:22:59]

tjcarter:

That was definitely my plan

[05:23:04]

tjcarter:

No HD.

[05:24:00]

tjcarter:

Last month, Intel announced the imminent availability of 4/8GB SSDs that are cheap.

[05:24:06]

tjcarter:

Like, $25 for 4GB.

[05:24:42]

tjcarter:

I have yet to see these showing up places, but for a dedicated FE, a 4GB SSD is overkill

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wagnerrp:

tjcarter: not necessarily, its about the same price as a comparable CF card and adapter

[05:25:36]

noisymime:

At the time I did my FE I was dirt poor and just used what I had lying around... 2x 1gb usb drives ;)

[05:25:41]

tjcarter:

I mean, overkill even if you build an upgrade failover system like I've been saying I want to see KM adopt for like two years =)

[05:25:42]

wagnerrp:

plus its probably faster, and easier to install

[05:26:04]

tjcarter:

wagnerrp: 4GB is more space than you need though

[05:26:36]

tjcarter:

The price and responsiveness of SSDs over CF cards is well worth it

[05:26:49]

wagnerrp:

tjcarter: yes, but below 4GB, you get somewhat diminishing returns

[05:26:56]

tjcarter:

plus at this point, you'd pay at least $25 for a 1GB CF + adapter ;)

[05:27:07]

wagnerrp:

if you can get 4GB for $25, your not going to get 512MB for much less

[05:27:15]

tjcarter:

yes

[05:27:38]

tjcarter:

and as I said, 4GB permits plenty of growth room + full failover for automatic upgrades

[05:27:39]

wagnerrp:

its like how a 300GB is overkill for most machines

[05:27:53]

wagnerrp:

but when its an extra $10 over a 80GB drive, theres no reason why not

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tjcarter:

300GB is way underkill for any machine I have ;)

[05:28:24]

wagnerrp:

300GB is way overkill for nearly all my machines

[05:28:28]

tjcarter:

But then, I'm the guy with a 320, 500, and 750 drive, all 92% full ;)

[05:28:35]

tjcarter:

on ONE machine

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wagnerrp:

im the guy with 5x750GB and 2x300GB in one machine (formerly 3x750GB, 8x300GB)

[05:29:34]

tjcarter:

That's a lot of hard drives.

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jeffery:

Is it possible to import shows from another backend?

[05:29:44]

tjcarter:

Time to invest in some drobos or something =D

[05:29:46]

wagnerrp:

80GB is a bit small for my desktop

[05:29:50]

wagnerrp:

but 300GB is way too much

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tjcarter:

jeffery: you have the restore.sql made up?

[05:30:03]

wagnerrp:

250GB on my file server is well overkill

[05:30:07]

k-man:

you could get 3 x 1gb CF cards and build a little raid 5 array

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wagnerrp:

160GB on my DNS/DHCP/asterisk/boot is well overkill

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jeffery:

tjcarter, nope.. you mean the database backup ?

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wagnerrp:

jeffery, what version are you running?

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tjcarter:

jeffery: partial database backup

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wagnerrp:

0.21 or better will automatically find any recordings as long as it exists in a folder in one of your storage groups

[05:31:32]

tjcarter:

wagnerrp: you have to tell Myth what they are first

[05:31:55]

wagnerrp:

oh, import from a disconnected backend (someone elses)

[05:32:01]

wagnerrp:

i misunderstood

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tjcarter:

or your own, being rebuilt, yes

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jeffery:

I am running 0.21 on mythubuntu and I want to get recordings from an other OS myth setup which I beleive is running 0.21 as well

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tjcarter:

jeffery: follow the instructions for moving recordings to new hardware

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jeffery:

thanks tjcarter I will

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jeffery:

read up on that

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tjcarter:

jeffery: except if hostname is different, sed the file s/old-hostname/new-hostname/ before you import

[05:33:17]

tjcarter:

er, s/old-hostname/new-hostname/g probably

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jeffery:

tjcarter, yup I know how to do that

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tjcarter:

good

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tjcarter:

because I always forget to do it and have to fix it AFTER I import and I can't actually watch anything I just imported =D

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jeffery:

hehe

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tjcarter:

Which makes me feel like a moron because I don't use mysql directly like ever (except when doing this, it would seem), so I always have to ask someone what the mysql syntax is to do it.

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Dagmar:

Okay. New page added to the wiki for the exceptionally obsessive-compulsive http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/DIY_Case_Badges

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Dagmar:

I gottta go pre-heat my oven

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tjcarter:

I'ma go get a cheeseburger

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wagnerrp:

i thought 451F was the point at which paper flashes

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Dagmar:

I thought it was burns, but I've had my oven pretty close to that and the paper didn't even brown

[05:39:55]

Dagmar:

This will be my fourth shot at doing this here, and I'm pretty sure it's going to be perfect this time.

[05:40:04]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive cooked pizza on cardboard before without trouble

[05:40:16]

wagnerrp:

but everyone yells at me when i do that

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Dagmar:

I've been deliberately screwing around with various things to see what's more sensitive to being screwed with

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wagnerrp:

the side facing the coils can get considerably hotter than the thermostat

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Dagmar:

I think the ShrinkyDink people were saying to use brown paper because it's less likely to warp from drying out, but inkjet paper is pretty dry already (for a reason) and hasn't cause me a problem yet.

[05:41:22]

Dagmar:

Hell

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Dagmar:

I've cooked and *eaten* a pizza with cardboard on the bottom before.

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wagnerrp:

i really like using cardboard, because it makes it easy to cut afterwards

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Dagmar:

Granted, we were pretty bad off at the time.

[05:42:09]

wagnerrp:

but you ate the cardboard?

[05:42:17]

Dagmar:

Umm... yes.

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine there being any nutritional value in that

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wagnerrp:

maybe some dietary fiber

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Dagmar:

We were not paying attention to what we were doing, we were very hungry, adn it was one of those grocery store-made pizzas that comes with cardboard under it and plastic wrap on the outside.

[05:43:09]

Dagmar:

In my defense I was far from the only person who made that error that night.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, my uncle works at one of the larger pizza packaging plants

[05:44:08]

wagnerrp:

so we have basically an unlimited supply of store-made pizza

[05:44:58]

wagnerrp:

he gets the (still perfectly edible) seconds for about $0.20/pizza

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Dagmar:

Nice.

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wagnerrp:

needless to say, this has been bad for my diet

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wagnerrp:

good on my wallet though

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fryfrog:

Dagmar: wow

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tjcarter:

So while I was out, I passed the unmistakable smell of patchouli and began getting a headache..

[06:13:38]

tjcarter:

patchouli doesn't give me a headache... =p

[06:16:40]

tjcarter:

I don't know if cannabis is good for my eyes, but it is murder on my head =p

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Dagmar:

fryfrog: Well, I got the color density right this time.

[06:20:57]

Dagmar:

I also learned soemthign new

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Dagmar:

Squish them with something heavy TOO soon and they'll squish like a S'more

[06:21:37]

Dagmar:

I did three runs, they all came out smaller than I want, and one of them I didn't manage to ruin. ;)

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tjcarter:

Wow, I have no idea what this is--the STB didn't change channels properly (almost NEVER happens with the SA3250HD!), but its some anime.. Gundam wannabe

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Dagmar:

Pix up in about 20 miintues

[06:29:06]

tjcarter:

Gundam + Eva

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tjcarter:

oddness

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Dagmar:

Okay. My Razr V3m isn't exactly the best thing for taking pictures in the man-cave, but it's something

[06:35:55]

Dagmar:

http://s152.photobucket.com/albums/s188/evild . . . ge%20Stfuff/

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superm1:

geez, is it just me or does myth running on OSX really not run well? I grabbed the binaries from sniderpad and treid it on a hackintosh and a real mac book pro; both abysmal perf :(

[07:02:41]

tjcarter:

in what particular way?

[07:02:53]

tjcarter:

As a Mac user, MythFrontend basically sucks.

[07:03:10]

superm1:

well video is dropping frames left and right

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tjcarter:

But in what way did you find it particularly lousy? ;)

[07:03:18]

superm1:

and the menus really drag

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cesman:

tjcarter: it is out!

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tjcarter:

Ah, that it should not do.

[07:03:24]

tjcarter:

cesman: cool

[07:03:51]

tjcarter:

And it turns out one now needs to specify the branch to use on the script (nobody documented this), so that was my problem there

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superm1:

i'm not a real mac user, but my roomate is, so I was hoping to get it working well on his com

[07:04:13]

cesman:

Grab it while it is hot! KnoppMyth R5.5 is out!

[07:04:25]

superm1:

congrats cesman

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superm1:

tjcarter, but yeah i tried the quick things from googling, using libmpeg2 instead, trying mac hw accel for the decoder. still unusable

[07:05:31]

tjcarter:

Are you using QuickTime for colorspace conversion?

[07:05:49]

tjcarter:

Various versions want you to and don't want you to ;)

[07:05:49]

superm1:

let me power her back up. where will I check for this?

[07:05:59]

tjcarter:

Somewhere under settings

[07:06:44]

tjcarter:

I haven't got a 0.21-fixes BE yet (was waiting on Cecil's R5.5), and I can't get the revision I'm using on the BE to work on the Mac at all..

[07:06:47]

tjcarter:

won't compile

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mightyunclean:

superm1: myth performance is excellent here on an intel macbook

[07:10:22]

superm1:

mightyunclean, did you have any tweaks you did to settings then (that you possibly documented)?

[07:10:29]

cesman:

superm1: thanks!

[07:10:37]

mightyunclean:

but it may be that it is only used as a frontend only, the backend is remote

[07:10:43]

superm1:

yeah same with mine

[07:10:59]

superm1:

i've got a linux backend (and multiple linux frontends) and was just starting to introduce these macs

[07:11:58]

tank-man:

i have no dropped frames on my g4 ibook

[07:12:21]

tjcarter:

yeah, myth shouldn't drop frames

[07:13:22]

mightyunclean:

superm1: no massive tweaking was done, using the GANT theme, Paint Engine is OpenGL, QT Style is Windows, Menu Theme is default

[07:13:27]

superm1:

perhaps i'm blind, but i dont see an option for using QT for colorspace conversion

[07:14:05]

superm1:

opengl effects actually work for the paint engine though? I've got quartz extreme working in the OS, but dont see effects in myth at all fading etc

[07:14:08]

tjcarter:

That's okay, I am =D

[07:14:49]

tjcarter:

I haven't noted OpenGL paint engine doing fading and whatnot

[07:15:42]

superm1:

well the other thing is that there is a built in zoom on all the video from what i can tell

[07:15:51]

superm1:

like the whole OSD and the video behind it is clipped on the screen

[07:16:07]

superm1:

so perhaps that is playing into the reason for dropped frames

[07:16:29]

tjcarter:

you mean like the video is being clipped off the top and bottom?

[07:16:37]

superm1:

let me pull out the digital camera

[07:17:25]

tjcarter:

yes, that is a really ANNOYING bug where a setting "defaults" to different things when not present than the setup suggests it would.

[07:17:43]

tjcarter:

I can't remember which one, but if you set it to something, then set it back to default, it fixes the problem

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superm1:

tjcarter, http://imagebin.org/22063

[07:23:29]

tjcarter:

That'd be the problem I just described, yes.

[07:24:06]

superm1:

well i see zoom settings in general playback already, but they are set to off

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tank-man:

robot chicken :)

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tjcarter:

superm1: turn them on, then save, then turn them off, then save

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tjcarter:

I don't know for sure it's zoom or overscan or what

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tjcarter:

but some damned thing like that needs to be set to a non-zero value so it gets written to the database, then turned off.

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tjcarter:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100015 <-- this doesn't yet work with Myth, does it?

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ascu1:

hi someone help with channel lock problem

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king_tut:

Hey all. I've a problem which appears similar to the one detailed at: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/335176

[10:07:42]

king_tut:

I could do with knowing whether this did get reported to ATI (if it's an ATI issue), as neither the resolved nor known issues lists in the most recent catalyst changelog detail it.

[10:08:38]

king_tut:

This occurs when changing terrestrial (UK) channels – e.g. BBC1 to ITV or Ch5, BBC outputs in widescreen, ITV/5 do 4:3.

[10:09:31]

king_tut:

I'm using an onboard ATI HD 3200 graphics card, and am running Myth 0.20 (problem also occurred with Myth 0.21).

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quicksilver:

king_tut: you might possibly have better luck with the open source driver?

[10:21:58]

quicksilver:

you'll need the very latest version for decent support on your card though.

[10:23:12]

quicksilver:

I can't remember if they have textured video on r600s yet.

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waxhead:

hey everyone

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waxhead:

anyone see this? http://www.k-d-w.org/taxonomy/term/2/0

[11:19:09]

waxhead:

I assume this is more for a "simple" desktop thing?

[11:19:52]

waxhead:

anyone know how to stream live tv from myth?

[11:20:07]

waxhead:

apart from installling a mythfrontend?

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king_tut:

quicksilver: does the newest open source driver include hdmi out? I'm using hdmi output with hdmi-audio.

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quicksilver:

king_tut: Video I'm fairly sure. Audio I'm less sure.

[11:36:43]

king_tut:

Cool, I'll give that a go tonight then. We'll just have to see about the audio – in theory the driver for that is a seperate Realtek one, not sure how that integrates with the graphics driver. All a bit of a black art :)

[11:38:20]

quicksilver:

king_tut: there is an IRC channel over at #radeon for the open source driver.

[11:38:41]

quicksilver:

king_tut: there is, in fact, also a different open source driver called radeonhd, I don't know if that's better for you.

[11:38:47]

quicksilver:

my card is a nice old 9250 ;)

[11:39:31]

king_tut:

quicksilver: Cheers. I'll stumble through and see what I can work out. radeonhd sounds like a better option (assuming it's relatively stable :) – getting flak off my flatmate for upgrading from Windows Media Center to Myth)

[11:40:12]

king_tut:

lol – not going quite cutting edge may have been a better option. But that's not really the way I roll :)

[11:40:40]

quicksilver:

well basically ATI support for new video cards has been poor for the last few years

[11:40:43]

gbee:

what's wrong with the proprietery driver?

[11:40:49]

quicksilver:

but in the last few months they have released a lot of information.

[11:41:00]

quicksilver:

and the open source drivers are improving at a rapid pace.

[11:41:26]

king_tut:

They do seem to have been releasing a _lot_ of proprietary drivers – maybe now they've been acquired by AMD ATi have had a change in outlook?

[11:41:28]

gbee:

but the proprietary ones are improving even faster

[11:42:24]

king_tut:

gbee: I'm having weird issues when changing channels, specifically between channels which are at different resolutions (e.g. widescreen vs 4:3), which _may_ be due to the proprietary driver.

[11:43:26]

gbee:

king_tut: ahh yeah, I get that

[11:43:59]

gbee:

since I don't watch livetv it's not such a big problem for me

[11:44:20]

waxhead:

gbee: ha... it gets like that pretty quick...

[11:44:33]

waxhead:

just have to remember to watch ads every now and then to find out what's on...

[11:44:49]

king_tut:

gbee: You managed to fix it? Basically I'm doing HDMI output, and when changing channel it corrupts. Popping back to the top myth menu, then back to LiveTV fixes it most of the time, but not always.

[11:44:53]

gbee:

like most long time mythtv users and devs I don't see the point in livetv

[11:44:56]

waxhead:

and need to get another dual tuner card... to many clashes these days...

[11:45:31]

gbee:

king_tut: well like I said, I don't watch livetv and it only affects resolution changes made during XV rendering

[11:45:46]

king_tut:

lol – I know what you mean – tend to watch LiveTV on real TV anyway, but sometimes I just like to flick through, sometimes find good new programs.

[11:46:11]

gbee:

recordings are fine and I only see the problem when testing

[11:46:25]

king_tut:

Hmmmm. So, XV related (sorry, don't know much about Myth innards) – may try messing around with any xv settings I can find.

[11:46:41]

king_tut:

As long as recordings are fine, which they seem to be, I don't care that much.

[11:46:44]

gbee:

king_tut: I just look through the guide a couple of times a week, schedule everything of interest – don't even watch livetv through the TV

[11:46:47]

waxhead:

gbee: what do you do on mythtv?

[11:46:56]

gbee:

waxhead: ?

[11:47:15]

waxhead:

you said devs and testers... thought you worked on myth some how..

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gbee:

waxhead: ahh, yeah I'm a dev – worked on all sorts of things but primarily I'm working on the UI re-write for 0.22 at the moment

[11:48:21]

waxhead:

tough work.. :)

[11:48:36]

waxhead:

UI's aren't easy..

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gbee:

no they aren't – I should clarify that I'm working on the underlying UI engine and that allows themers to do more varied stuff with the UI, I'm not redesigning the UI entirely but giving themers etc the chance to do more, plus stuff like animation

[11:50:35]

waxhead:

gbee: if you say so... :)

[11:50:43]

quicksilver:

I find LiveTV makes pretty good sense for, e.g., wimbledon final, or News 24

[11:50:58]

jduggan:

i think the main thing i have with theming is that a decent theme uses so much memory... ofcourse memory is cheaper these days but still..

[11:50:59]

waxhead:

I dabble with things like C# in monodevelop.... that's painful enough.. and that's easy ... :)

[11:51:06]

gbee:

it will hopefully result in UI improvements from the user perspective

[11:51:28]

gbee:

waxhead: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/MythUI

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noisymime:

gbee: mythui for 0.22 looks very cool. The flexibility of some of the widgets is most impressive

[12:10:57]

waxhead:

damn...

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waxhead:

it's not locking on channels again.... >:(

[12:12:15]

waxhead:

ARGH!!!!

[12:12:29]

waxhead:

the file for this recording cannot be found....

[12:12:34]

waxhead:

grr...

[12:12:53]

waxhead:

something isn't working right here....

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king_tut:

I was having problems with only getting partial lock, found that swapping to my alternative tuner (both in the same PCI card, both from the same antenna feed) fixed it.

[12:13:16]

king_tut:

V strange.

[12:14:28]

waxhead:

damn... lost all my recordings for tonight!

[12:14:31]

waxhead:

what's with that...

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waxhead:

king_tut: how did you do that?

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king_tut:

waxhead: It was with LiveTV, and I just pressed 'C' a couple of times. Didn't bother investigating what the cause was.

[12:16:46]

king_tut:

I wondered whether it may have been some initialisation messing up, then being redone when changed tuner.

[12:16:54]

waxhead:

I've got a whole lot of recordings that didn't work because of this...

[12:17:11]

waxhead:

I'm thinking the same problem....

[12:17:26]

waxhead:

going to shut it down in a sec to check....

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king_tut:

quicksilver: Just been on #radeonhd – seems HDMI output may not be working by default yet – 'libv' alluded to some patch the devs need to check out when they've got time.

[12:18:06]

king_tut:

Going to try it out tonight anyway, but don't expect much success.

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gbee:

waxhead: which card?

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waxhead:

haupage 500 nova-t

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waxhead:

I'm redoing the channels etc now...

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waxhead:

restarted the box and discharged all caps... so hopefully I won't have to do that again...

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gbee:

some versions of the Nova-T 500 drivers are buggy and it's generally not recommend to have active EIT scanning enabled on the card because it's more likely to trigger the bug

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waxhead:

I saw that before ... what's EIT scanning?

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waxhead:

do I have to scan for channel with both tuners?

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webvictim:

waxhead: have you got the usbcore auto suspend thing disabled?

[12:40:49]

webvictim:

that was the problem i had with my nova-t 500.

[12:41:01]

webvictim:

one of the USB tuners would go to sleep, and then not wake up to record

[12:41:14]

webvictim:

once i disabled auto suspend on the usbcore driver, the problem went away

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waxhead:

webvictim: no idea... how do I check/do that?

[12:42:23]

webvictim:

give me a second

[12:42:28]

webvictim:

i'll have to find the link in the logs.

[12:43:11]

webvictim:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppau . . . one_tuner.3F

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waxhead:

thanks...

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waxhead:

what's this EIT active scan?

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gbee:

waxhead: to disable active eit see the option under Advanced in the Capture Card area of mythtv-setup, but there are different bugs and what webvictim is suggesting may fix it for you

[12:44:46]

gbee:

EIT is the Electronic guide data broadcast over the air, mythtv when not recording will actively retrieve this data to ensure you always have the latest data

[12:44:49]

waxhead:

gbee: OK.. I think I have the EIT thing here.. but I'll make one change at a time and see what works

[12:45:16]

waxhead:

gbee: oh right.. but if I get it from an external application like shepherd, I don't really need it do it?

[12:45:21]

waxhead:

do I? even...

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gbee:

no you don't

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gbee:

mythtv will also retrieve this data passively when recording or watching livetv, so disabling active scanning doesn't prevent you receiving EIT it is just isn't updated as quickly

[12:46:30]

gbee:

but if you aren't using on-air guide data then you don't need it enabled at all

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ascu1:

hi someone help with channel lock problem

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waxhead:

gbee: thanks for that.. I might turn it off...

[12:47:10]

waxhead:

the usbsuspend looks a bit daunting... :(

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gbee:

the active scan means that it's constantly switching channels in the background and this triggers otherwise rare driver bugs

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waxhead:

what about dvb tuning delay? in the gui it mentions the nova-t

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waxhead:

not sure what it's slowing down... the EIT?

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waxhead:

if I set the max recordings to 2, do i have to list the channels that this works on ?

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gbee:

waxhead: leave that setting alone, it doesn't really apply anymore

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gbee:

waxhead: no, mythtv knows which channels can be simultaneously recorded from

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waxhead:

gbe

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waxhead:

gbee: OK.. thanks...

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gbee:

I'd suggest bumping max recordings up to at least 3/4

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Ace2016:

hi all

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gbee:

since it doesn't do any harm and just means you are less likely to get conflicts with recordings

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Ace2016:

when connecting the svideo out to the tv using a scart lead how do i know it won't damage the tv with the wrong resolution?

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Ace2016:

is svideo use a fixed resolution?

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waxhead:

what about the dual tuners.. do I have to scan for the channels on all tuners?

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waxhead:

or will it pick up what's already done with the first tuner?

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gbee:

waxhead: no need to scan on both

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king_tut:

webvictim: Cheers for that link! I also have the Nova-T 500 and had the same problem.

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gbee:

Ace2016: most modern video drivers limit the resolution, refresh rate etc on Tv-out to safe values for a TV, you may need to pick the correct format (PAL, NTSC etc) from a list PAL-I in the UK

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Ace2016:

thanks

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waxhead:

king_tut: did you make the changes to the usb stuff?

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gbee:

you should also use the native resolution of your TV – 720x576 in the UK, any value higher than this and the picture quality will drop dramatically

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waxhead:

I'm going to try with EiT turned off first... if that's doesn't work, then I'll try doing the usb thng

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waxhead:

gbee: that would be the same resolution here in aus too ?

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waxhead:

since we use PAL...

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king_tut:

waxhead: Not yet – just compiling up a patched version of radeonhd drive, and doing some work (shocking, I know :) ). Only just noticed the link, so going to try now.

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king_tut:

waxhead: I think PAL is 720x576 generally.

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waxhead:

I swapped my ati card out for an nvidia..

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waxhead:

king_tut: I just wanted it to work....

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waxhead:

so the resolution I should be running for my CRT TV should be 720*576?

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king_tut:

I'm using a built-in one, specifically for the HDMI out, which I can pump audio over as well – my old setup was using the VGA-in on my TV, and was having to share aux-audio between the XBox360 and Myth/Media Center – was a tad annoying.

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king_tut:

I think so.

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gbee:

waxhead: yeah, PAL is 576 lines, NTSC is 480

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gbee:

the 720 bit just put it in the right aspect ratio

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gbee:

when you consider than NTSC is 100 visible lines less than the rest of the world you can better appreciate why they are keen on HD ;)

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waxhead:

gbee: yep...

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waxhead:

I have spidf out into my amp and component out to the amp too... which runs component into the TV

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king_tut:

waxhead: my usbcore is compiled in, and I can't be bothered recompiling _again_, so it'll have to wait til I reboot this evening. Have made the change to my grub.conf, so we#ll see.

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waxhead:

king_tut: I'm running mythbuntu, so I have to check over the post link in the article...

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waxhead:

jeez... mythfilldatabase --manual is going to take forever to finish...

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king_tut:

Ahhh – I tried mythbuntu, but it was just too much of a pain – I'm using Gentoo.

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waxhead:

I wanted an early night.. :)

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webvictim:

king_tut: no worries

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waxhead:

king_tut: really?

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waxhead:

I don't mind it.. .

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waxhead:

wht didn't you like?

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gbee:

heh, Gentoo is less of a pain than Ubuntu, that's a first but then I can understand I guess, I hate Ubuntu

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sid3windr:

hate is such a strong word!

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gbee:

true, strongly dislike then :)

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sid3windr:

:)

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gbee:

there are aspects of Ubuntu I like, mainly the community, but it just didn't live up to the "ease of use & install" promises for me

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gbee:

plus I think gnome looks ugly and kubuntu lacks the polish of ubuntu

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sid3windr:

true.

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sid3windr:

kubuntu needs some love

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sid3windr:

I strongly dislike (*g*) gnome, but I do run kubuntu

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sid3windr:

as I used to run debian, and ubuntu does not always work right away, but it's still a hell of a lot better than stock debian

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Thomas-:

What does your choice of windowmanager have to do with your distro? =)

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sid3windr:

because kubuntu is just ubuntu sans gnome + kde ?

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sid3windr:

it's still ubuntu :p

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Thomas-:

just install any other WM and don't bother with gnome if you don't like it

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gbee:

there is plenty wrong with Ubuntu aside from the default WM for me – tools just aren't setup quite right, little things like tab complete don't work how I'm used to and the configuration apps just haven't reached the levels of other distros

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sid3windr:

tab complete is a little iffy sometimes but not enough to really bother me :)

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gbee:

spent a whole day installing ubuntu one and at the end of it, several things like wireless just weren't working – reverted to my favourite distro and it was installed/working in under an hour

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gbee:

Ubuntu has promise, but it's not there yet IMHO

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waxhead:

gnome is ok for me...

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gbee:

I can see why people like Ubuntu if they've come from distros like Gentoo and Debian because it's a step up from those

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waxhead:

and in general, I've found ubuntu the simplest to install.. pretty much has "just worked" for me...

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waxhead:

gbee: I went from Redhat to debian ( on the server ) and from Redhat to mandrake ( at the time ) to ubuntu when I wanted to get debians package management...

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gbee:

the live cd install is a mistake, way too slow

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waxhead:

gbee: it is... I don't lke that so much...

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gbee:

waxhead: package management is about the only thing I really miss from debian/ubuntu

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waxhead:

gbee: I still have to google how debain does some config things though.. you don't always modify the config files....

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sphery:

gbee: wow... A post to the (dev) list with mythfrontend --version output rather than Myth version 0.21.20080304–1

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gbee:

hurray!

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sphery:

you're finally changing the world :)

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EvilGuru:

Any updates on the Udo saga?

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waxhead:

ok, it's way past bed time.. so much for an early night... :(

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waxhead:

things look a little better now... lets see how long the tuner stays up...

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waxhead:

night all.

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raceme:

hello... i'm looking for a case with LCD or VFD and remote control... Not easy to find something supported by GNU/Linux...

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raceme:

I found the silverstone GD01MX that seems to work (http://venky.ws/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2& . . . =t&sd=a) except that the link with patch leads to a non working site :(

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tjcarter:

Don't suppose anybody here is a gadget nerd?

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wagnerrp:

somewhat

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wagnerrp:

why

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tjcarter:

I'm looking to do something custom involving a very small amount of video processing basically on a cheap USB2 webcam, generally running on batteries, and with a 7–8 inch display.

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tjcarter:

I keep thinking that any number of appropriately sided digital picture frames are appropriate

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tjcarter:

but I can't find any info on these or anyone that has successfully hacked one that isn't 3–5 years old.

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tjcarter:

Reason: http://www.clarityusa.com/index.php?option=co . . . mp;Itemid=67

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tjcarter:

... is US$1600.

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tjcarter:

NO WAY it should be $1600.

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wagnerrp:

ive never really delved beyond basic hardware hacks

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tjcarter:

This should be a basic hardware hack--if I can figure out what hardware to hack ;)

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wagnerrp:

well youre not going to get that kind of clarity out of a cheap webcam

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tjcarter:

You don't get that kind of clarity out of this thing either

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tjcarter:

it's VGA resolution, if that.

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tjcarter:

Fixed focus, uses white LEDs for illumination

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tjcarter:

it doesn't even diffuse them

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tjcarter:

No, it's VGA resolution

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tjcarter:

most of its competitors under $1000 use QVGA.

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wagnerrp:

it needs to be portable?

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tjcarter:

That's why I'm thinking digital picture frame

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tjcarter:

DPF + battery would be pretty portable

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tjcarter:

we considered the idea of a portable DVD player with video input, and it was a nice idea, but it was hard to get a commercial camera with composite out that could soom without being mounted like 2–3 feet over the desk

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tjcarter:

plus there'd be no color processing on the DVD player

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wagnerrp:

we have systems like that at school

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wagnerrp:

camera is on a 2' boom

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tjcarter:

You almost certainly have a CCTV as well

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tjcarter:

more than one probably

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wagnerrp:

their version of an overhead projector, since we moved to digital projection

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tjcarter:

http://magnifyingchoices.com/store/index.php? . . . 11ee92517541

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tjcarter:

That one's a full desktop model with battery, so $$$$

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wagnerrp:

although theres probably about $8K of AV equipment put into each of those rooms

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tjcarter:

Easily carried at a mere 15lb!

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tjcarter:

(lol)

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tjcarter:

yeah, document cameras are not cheap

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wagnerrp:

well webcams arent going to focus at much better than 2' either

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tjcarter:

well, I'm looking to do a mouse camera

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tjcarter:

which is to say you have a box that's shaped more or less like a mouse and has a camera in it =D

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wagnerrp:

meaning... an inch or so away

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tjcarter:

right

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wagnerrp:

youll probably have to build custom optics

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tjcarter:

I'll have to replace the fixed focus lens on the webcam.

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, you could probably tap into the circuit board on the CCD, before it gets plugged into USB

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wagnerrp:

get some separate output module

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wagnerrp:

to use a dvd unit

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wagnerrp:

not much short of a computer is going to be able to use a staight USB webcam

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tjcarter:

you're not aware of the CPU power in the average DPF are you?

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wagnerrp:

drivers...

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tjcarter:

the things play back those MPEG4 videos taken by cameras

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tjcarter:

Generally they have 2–300 MHz ARM chips in them

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tjcarter:

That'll handle a webcam

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tjcarter:

Plus a higher-end webcam should take video at 800x600, which is the typical resolution

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tjcarter:

fixed point math can do the greyscale, hich contrast, and false color transformations

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** tjcarter has considered this. **

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wagnerrp:

so youre talking about rewriting the firmware on one of these things

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tjcarter:

Replacing a firmware with a tiny Linux image, yes

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wagnerrp:

by the time youre done, its probably worth the $1600

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tjcarter:

Not if you don't have $1600

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tjcarter:

I'm a grad student.

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tjcarter:

I'm slave labor =D

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tjcarter:

I've actually also considered modifying a digital camera, but getting that to stream out its video over USB rather than just take a picture isn't easy.

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tjcarter:

Obviously Ray Kurzweil did it with the KNFB Reader (the one before the cell phone)

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tjcarter:

it used a stock Canon digital camera attached to a plastic adapter that connected the camera to a PocketPC device

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GreyFoxx:

yay, my n810 is showing as out for delivery today

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wagnerrp:

nokia tablet?

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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wagnerrp:

ive long considered picking up one of those

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GreyFoxx:

I wanted a portable video player, but this is infinitely more useful to me

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GreyFoxx:

gps, bluetooth, wifi, runs linux, open dev sdk

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wagnerrp:

has anyone put together a mythtv remote for one of those things?

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sid3windr:

time for mythtv

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sid3windr:

:p

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GreyFoxx:

There is an alpha port of mythfrontend to it

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GreyFoxx:

wag: No, but that's one of the first things I plan to do

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wagnerrp:

i imagine it would be very doable with the telnet and remote keyboard access

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, that's exactly what I'm gonna do

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wagnerrp:

actually, does the remote keyboard just use the telnet interface?

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GreyFoxx:

gonna setup a little virtual dev environment for it and

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GreyFoxx:

what "remote keyboard" are you referring to ?

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GreyFoxx:

the commandline "remote" tool for sending keystrokes to the frontend ?

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wagnerrp:

the one in mythweb

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GreyFoxx:

oh

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GreyFoxx:

yes it does use the telnet interface

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wagnerrp:

i was actually going to use one of those as the interface to a car pc

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wagnerrp:

i was going to stick the pc in the trunk, replacing the analog (and worthless) onstar unit

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GreyFoxx:

I've thought about acar PC off and on for a while, but this might be enough to make me happy with a dash mount

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wagnerrp:

use the onstar interface to override the stereo audio

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wagnerrp:

but the onstar unit could only access the front two speaker, rather than the whole system

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wagnerrp:

that project died right there

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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Ace2016:

i found something interesting

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Ace2016:

if you run the frontend as root then the screensaver comes on

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Ace2016:

very interesting

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quicksilver:

doesn't sound very interesting to me

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quicksilver:

just sounds like root has different configuration than the other user :P

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gbee:

Dagmar: homemade case badges? got a photo?

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Ace2016:

quicksilver: i logged in as root in xterm and ran it

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Ace2016:

why would root's config effect anything, the frontend is on the screen, so why can't it tell the screensaver not to run? its running as root

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wagnerrp:

root defaults to having a screen saver, the other account does not

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wagnerrp:

apparently

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Ace2016:

wait a sec so its root's screensaver running? but i logged in as a normal user and logged into root in xterm, why would the service that executes the screensaver be running? or why would myth start it?

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Ace2016:

does starting a gui app automatically trigger the screensaver starting app?

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GreyFoxx:

myth starts nothing in relation to screensavers

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wagnerrp:

screen saver is a function of X

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iamlindoro__:

Ace2016: you're thinking about this all wrong. You're running myth as root (stupid, btw), so it tries to disable root's screensaver.... who are you running your wm as? Not root.

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GreyFoxx:

all myth will ever do is send a disable dpms command to X

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Ace2016:

so why is it not getting through when i'm root?

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GreyFoxx:

No idea

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GreyFoxx:

I disable it period across the board right when X starts

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Ace2016:

i mean if the frontend is running doesn't it send the same signal? it just has super powers

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GreyFoxx:

I don't EVER want a screensaver kicking in

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Ace2016:

guessing you don't have a plasma screen then

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GreyFoxx:

LCD

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Ace2016:

thought so

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GreyFoxx:

and a power button on my remote

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Ace2016:

i have a crt

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GreyFoxx:

I do the same on my CRT's

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GreyFoxx:

I turn off TV's I'm not watching :)

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Ace2016:

wait a sec

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Ace2016:

if you combine what you said with what iamlindoro__ (who seems to have a different amount of underscore every time) said, you get the possibility that X knows about logged in users, and is treating it as if 2 different users are online

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Ace2016:

one says go screensaver go and the other says no, but the person saying no hasn't got their own display

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GreyFoxx:

I dunno, I've never encounted the problem you are describing

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GreyFoxx:

I've been forcing screensavers off in X for over a decade :)

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GreyFoxx:

I only want them started manually if I'm walking away from a PC and want to "lock" the screen :)

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GreyFoxx:

the first thing my xinitrc does is xset s off

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GreyFoxx:

xset -dpms

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GreyFoxx:

turns off screensavers and powersaving stuff

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andreax1:

Woooooow! A complete new mythtv-feeling... With a small client ot a 32" lcd tv – I wonder if its time to go to bed for a lil popcorn, chips and coke session... :)

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Ace2016:

so its setup and working?

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monkeyBox:

Help! for some reason when I schedule a recording for a specific show, it shows up as "deactivated" . What's happening?

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SHADOW_XX:

hello everyone

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monkeyBox:

Actually this is happening w/ every recording I schedule. What is going on?

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SHADOW_XX:

i am having issue transcoding anything it errors out saying exit status 255, job status was "Errored"

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monkeyBox:

Is there any way (via mythweb) that I can see _why_ a recording was deactivated?? It certainly wasn't deactivated manually....

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xris:

deactivated like "won't record at this time"?

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xris:

for upcoming stuff, you can usually just mouse over the recording entry in "upcoming" and it'll tell you

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xris:

otherwise, the backend logs might show something

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monkeyBox:

xris, yeah, it's not showing in the mouseover

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monkeyBox:

xris, I'm able to click "activate" in mythweb, and it says it will record

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monkeyBox:

but it's like I have to activate every showing :-p

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jarle:

Anybody using xbox as a mythtv-frontend? Is it mature enough, or should I just opt for an PC in addition to my xbox for the mythtv stuff?

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xris:

when you mouse over an inactive one, it'll show "Notes:" in the popup. also, in the left column of the upcoming recordings list, it gives a hit about why.. like "earlier" or "later" or "never record"

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monkeyBox:

yeah nothing in notes, nothing in left column. Ok, something's jacked up. I "activated" a recording that was supposed to start right now, and it's showing as deactivated again

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monkeyBox:

backend status also says "There are no shows scheuled for recording"

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monkeyBox:

and "Encoder 1 is local on myth1 and is not recording."

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monkeyBox:

I'm also not seeing any errors in the backend log

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monkeyBox:

ugh.

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bbeattie:

Is there a way to run a mythmusic scan from a command line? I'd like to setup a cron job to check for music a couple times an hour.

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jams:

bbeattie- there is not

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Varak_:

can you get a picture watchin the channel?

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Varak_:

i've had happen what you describe when using a softcam and the enc broke

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Varak_:

myth then couldn't see then channel

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Varak_:

and then what you describe happened

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SHADOW_XX:

can anyone help me with my transcoding issue

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Varak_:

just ask your question, if someone can help they will

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SHADOW_XX:

when i try and trancode aything it just says exit status 255 job status was errored

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SHADOW_XX:

i do not know why

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Varak_:

hmm, there are probably logs you can check, i dunno, im new to myth

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SHADOW_XX:

ok

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Varak_:

maybe someelse will have something more helpful

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Varak_:

im going to go grab lunch

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Varak_:

bbl

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SHADOW_XX:

k

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JoeyJoeJo:

shadow: try looking at your mythbackend.log

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SHADOW_XX:

where is that

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JoeyJoeJo:

mine is in /var/log/mythtv

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JoeyJoeJo:

it'll probably be in /var/log/ somewhere

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SHADOW_XX:

it looks at it says honoring cutlist

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SHADOW_XX:

looks for autodetect finds 480i

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SHADOW_XX:

transcode using mpeg 2

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SHADOW_XX:

then says no video info found

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SHADOW_XX:

please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set

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JoeyJoeJo:

well, I suppose that's your problem, but unfortunately I don't know how to fix it... I don't do any transcoding myself

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SHADOW_XX:

hmm

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SHADOW_XX:

hmm i think i got it

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SHADOW_XX:

lol

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JoeyJoeJo:

cool, glad to hear it

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SHADOW_XX:

yeah me too

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SHADOW_XX:

what i did was go into mythtv frontend

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SHADOW_XX:

utilities setup

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SHADOW_XX:

setup

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SHADOW_XX:

tv settings

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SHADOW_XX:

recording profiles

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SHADOW_XX:

and transcoders

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SHADOW_XX:

for this i just watned to get out the commercials

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SHADOW_XX:

went into auto detect from mp3g2

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SHADOW_XX:

and selected it just to take commercials out

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SHADOW_XX:

which is checking lossless transcoding

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JoeyJoeJo:

cool, I didn't even know that there was an option to cut commercials all together

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SHADOW_XX:

oh yeah man

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SHADOW_XX:

you can have it setup to flag commercials and with this automatically cut them out

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SHADOW_XX:

i dont auto matically cut it out because its not perfect

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SHADOW_XX:

sometimes it cuts tv time

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SHADOW_XX:

but for the most part its spot on

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SHADOW_XX:

no issue what so ever

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mjsilva_:

ppl how can I have access to tmsdatadirect?

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mjsilva_:

is it payed?

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mjsilva_:

allways getting

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mjsilva_:

Reusing existing connection to webservices.schedulesdirect.tmsdatadirect.com:80.

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mjsilva_:

HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Unauthorized

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mjsilva_:

when do a mythfilldatabase

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iamlindoro__:

mjsilva_: yes, it is a paid service, shcedulesdirect.org

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iamlindoro__:

er schedulesdirect.org

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iamlindoro__:

set up an account there, and put your account info in to the schedules direct grabber in your listings setup in mythtv-setup

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brewmaster:

anyone recommend a good atsc pvr card for linux?

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brewmaster:

newegg ran out of the kworld 115...

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iamlindoro__:

brewmaster: the 120 works now

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brewmaster:

thanks

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iamlindoro__:

np

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SHADOW_XX:

does anyone know when the happauge pvr 1800 will have analog support

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gpd:

I am getting vertical blitting / lack of sync on pictures since reinstalling – any settings i might have missed?

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SHADOW_XX:

also does myth automatically get more schedule data

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gpd:

One major difference is that now ruuning from mythbuntu – xfce desktop – rather than autologin to ??? desktop from ubuntu

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SHADOW_XX:

did you install driver

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SHADOW_XX:

and black list old driver?

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SHADOW_XX:

or is it supported out of box

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gpd:

ok – with openGL set during playback – i get horizontal line across the centre of the screen with Z shape – seems consistent now...

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SHADOW_XX:

is it the tuner or is it your video card

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SHADOW_XX:

also does anyone else have commercial flagging stay at 99 percent

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gpd:

looks like it was the desktop environment – now i have logged in as 'mythtv' session it is better

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gpd:

sorry SHADOW_XX didn't realize you were talking to me.

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SHADOW_XX:

lol its ok\

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gpd:

SHADOW_XX: I turned off commercial flagging as in the UK it doesn't seem to work – plus all ads are 4mins so it is an easy skip.

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EvilGuru:

gpd: I have had good success with it in the UK

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 doesnt use the same parts as the 1600?

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EvilGuru:

For Five (and US) it is flawless, and not half bad for Virgin1

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SHADOW_XX:

wagnerrp no it isnt

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SHADOW_XX:

lol

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SHADOW_XX:

it has a dedicated conexant analog tuner

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MartinCleaver:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html says "$ mysql -u root < mc.sql"

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MartinCleaver:

where is this file?

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MartinCleaver:

I don't see it in /usr/share/mythtv

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** MartinCleaver is on Centos **

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MartinCleaver:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Sear . . . ql&go=Go = 0 matches

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MartinCleaver:

ah.

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MartinCleaver:

http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora

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iamlindoro__:

Use the source, luke

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SHADOW_XX:

analog on happauge 1800?

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SHADOW_XX:

anyone

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iamlindoro__:

complete sentences

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iamlindoro__:

everyone!

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SHADOW_XX:

lol alright iamlindoro_

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SHADOW_XX:

is there a person in here that could help me get the analog tuner present in the happauge wintv-hvr-1800

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SHADOW_XX:

?

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iamlindoro__:

#linuxtv is the right place for that kind of help, they write that stuff over there

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SHADOW_XX:

ok i will head over to that chan

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SHADOW_XX:

iamlindoro__ thank you again

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SHADOW_XX:

and also how do i setup the happauge hvr 1800 in mythtv

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SHADOW_XX:

what kind of card is it

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EvilGuru:

SHADOW_XX: Logic will be the victor there

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SHADOW_XX:

no i mean because it has the encoder built in so should it be analog v4l capture card mpeg2 encoder card

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iamlindoro__:

mpeg-2

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SHADOW_XX:

thank you iamlindoro__

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SHADOW_XX:

hmm

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SHADOW_XX:

when i scan it says that i got all the channels

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SHADOW_XX:

1–125 and the tchannels

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SHADOW_XX:

i got into mythtv

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SHADOW_XX:

and when i change the input into analog it kicks me back to the main menu

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sutula:

SHADOW_XX: Look at the logs?

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SHADOW_XX:

i got it kinda

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SHADOW_XX:

lol

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SHADOW_XX:

i got it working

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SHADOW_XX:

thank you all

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setite:

anyone know how to get v4l to work with the genpix skywalker... i keep getting a kernel error during make config

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iamlindoro__:

#linuxtv is what you want for that

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setite:

kk

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kisak:

hey guys, what's the command I should use to check for stray files in my /dir/videorepo folder?

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iamlindoro__:

myth.find_orphans.pl

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kisak:

what's the options to make it just tell me a list?

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iamlindoro__:

that is the option to tell you a list

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iamlindoro__:

it won't erase anything unless you add the apprpriate switches

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kisak:

cool

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kisak:

thanks

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kisak:

and that acts on the pwd?

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selmanj:

Ok, I'm really liking mythweb 0.21, but one thing that I really miss is being able to seek in the flash view of the show; anyone know if this is possbile?

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iamlindoro__:

no, it uses the DB to poll all recording directories

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iamlindoro__:

try the --help switch, that's why it's there

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kisak:

iamlindoro__: even better

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xris:

what flash view in mythweb? ;)

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xris:

it doesn't exist. didn't you read the disclaimer?

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kisak:

hi xris

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selmanj:

xris: but it works so well!! (except for the seeking)

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xris:

can only seek if you use a flash server

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selmanj:

and its such a better solution than generating a bunch of .swfs that sit around

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xris:

or if the file actually exists...

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xris:

nothing like that will happen until the backend can generate/cache/manage flv files on its own

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selmanj:

ahh i figured as much

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selmanj:

I guess i'll hack around in the source and make it load the generated .swf files that I was using in .20

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selmanj:

thanks anyway :)

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xris:

I can't do much until the backend can manage flv files on its own... auto-delete, etc.

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SHADOW_XX:

hello everyone i am having an issue with my happauge hvr 1800 i installed the driver installed the firm ware

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SHADOW_XX:

but tuning is not working in mythtv

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xris:

is that the brand new component encoder card?

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SHADOW_XX:

nope i wish

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selmanj:

xris: wouldn't flv generation/cleanup be something built into mythweb rather than mythbackend ? like maybe as a job that you can install?

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xris:

selmanj: no. the point is to have the backend manage all that stuff.. you don't want your webserver to have to deal with cleaning up (or caching) giant files.

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xris:

so just like a recording can have multiple thumbnail files, managed by the backend, it will eventually be allowed to have multiple exported formats...

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xris:

so you could create a user job to generate ipod and flv files, and they'd always be there, but would get removed automatically when the recording expires, is deleted, etc.

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selmanj:

so like a default transcoding profile called 'flash' or something?

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webvictim:

that sounds very cool

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webvictim:

i read about getting myth to auto-transcode to FLV for streaming through mythweb

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webvictim:

i really ought to get that set up

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SHADOW_XX:

the analog half of my hauppauge hvr 1800 scans for channels and picks them up but when i goto the frontend to watch them and chagne the input source it just brings me back to the main menu

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xris:

SHADOW_XX: run with -v all on the commandline and watch the log output?

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SHADOW_XX:

run what

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iamlindoro:

mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

and then when that doesn't say anything useful, mythbackend

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SHADOW_XX:

when i do mythfrontend -v it says missing arg

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iamlindoro:

that's because you didn't do what he said

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iamlindoro:

-v all

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iamlindoro:

:)

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SHADOW_XX:

ah

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iamlindoro:

It's likely to end up looking like a soup of output to you, so you may nee to pastebin it for people it makes sense to

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SHADOW--X:

sorry about that

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SHADOW--X:

anyway i see the errors i believe

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SHADOW--X:

hi does anyone here have the asus m2npv-vm board

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